Messages in vintageHO group. Page 1 of 1.

Group: vintageHO Message: 26214 From: goingincirclez76 Date: 1/3/2017
Subject: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
Group: vintageHO Message: 26215 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/3/2017
Subject: Re: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
Group: vintageHO Message: 26216 From: Jim Waterman Date: 1/4/2017
Subject: Re: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
Group: vintageHO Message: 26217 From: goingincirclez76 Date: 1/4/2017
Subject: Re: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
Group: vintageHO Message: 26218 From: goingincirclez76 Date: 1/4/2017
Subject: Re: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
Group: vintageHO Message: 26219 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Re: MILW Hiawatha
Group: vintageHO Message: 26220 From: louis niederlander Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26221 From: trainliker Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26222 From: louis niederlander Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26223 From: Doug Harris Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26224 From: Sean Naylor Date: 1/10/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26225 From: Larry Date: 1/10/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26226 From: lennardray Date: 1/10/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26227 From: Doug Harris Date: 1/10/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26228 From: leetrains Date: 1/11/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26229 From: wseehornjr Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26230 From: luvprr2003 Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26231 From: damills18055 Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26232 From: John Hagen Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26233 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26234 From: damills18055 Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26235 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26236 From: Doug Harris Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26237 From: nvrr49 Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26238 From: Doug Harris Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26239 From: Ken Starcher Date: 1/29/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26240 From: Ed Weldon Date: 1/30/2017
Subject: 3d printing for model railroading
Group: vintageHO Message: 26241 From: Jim Waterman Date: 1/31/2017
Subject: Re: 3d printing for model railroading
Group: vintageHO Message: 26242 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/31/2017
Subject: Re: 3d printing for model railroading
Group: vintageHO Message: 26243 From: Ed Weldon Date: 1/31/2017
Subject: Re: 3d printing for model railroading
Group: vintageHO Message: 26244 From: denverrails Date: 2/1/2017
Subject: Walthers HO 70' Executive Car kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 26245 From: wilmeaux Date: 2/1/2017
Subject: Re: Walthers HO 70' Executive Car kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 26246 From: oklacnw Date: 2/1/2017
Subject: Re: 3 D printing
Group: vintageHO Message: 26247 From: trainliker Date: 2/1/2017
Subject: Re: 3 D printing
Group: vintageHO Message: 26248 From: nvrr49 Date: 2/1/2017
Subject: Re: 3 D printing
Group: vintageHO Message: 26249 From: Dennis Thompson Date: 2/11/2017
Subject: 1st Issue of HOCollector Magazine received 2 days ago,
Group: vintageHO Message: 26250 From: trainliker Date: 2/11/2017
Subject: Re: 1st Issue of HOCollector Magazine received 2 days ago,
Group: vintageHO Message: 26251 From: slim_guage_guy Date: 2/12/2017
Subject: Re: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
Group: vintageHO Message: 26252 From: trainliker Date: 2/15/2017
Subject: Gorre & Daphetid site back up as gdlines.org
Group: vintageHO Message: 26253 From: denverrails Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Eary freight car
Group: vintageHO Message: 26254 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car [2 Attachments]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26255 From: Donald R. Staton Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car
Group: vintageHO Message: 26256 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car [2 Attachments]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26257 From: william witte Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car [2 Attachments]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26258 From: vicon9045 Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car
Group: vintageHO Message: 26259 From: steve michener Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26260 From: Paul Kayne Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car [2 Attachments]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26261 From: Dave Audley Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26262 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26263 From: Wally Weart Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car
Group: vintageHO Message: 26264 From: steve michener Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26265 From: maryinvt2 Date: 2/23/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26266 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/23/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26267 From: al4303@att.net Date: 2/23/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26268 From: J. L. Edwards Date: 2/23/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26269 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/23/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26270 From: shrubman141@gmail.com Date: 2/24/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26271 From: Dennis Thompson Date: 2/24/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26272 From: ajfergusonca Date: 2/24/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26273 From: maryinvt2 Date: 2/25/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 26274 From: david vartanoff Date: 2/25/2017
Subject: Hobbyline Tank car kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26275 From: sswcharlie Date: 3/6/2017
Subject: WTB Revell 1/87 Transrapid 07
Group: vintageHO Message: 26276 From: cwrailman Date: 3/9/2017
Subject: Vintage motors for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 26277 From: Doug Harris Date: 3/9/2017
Subject: Anyone help this guy on the LayourConstruction group??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26278 From: cwrailman Date: 3/9/2017
Subject: A Long Shafted Replacement Motor
Group: vintageHO Message: 26279 From: oklacnw Date: 3/11/2017
Subject: Fwd: Re: [cnw] Digest Number 5487
Group: vintageHO Message: 26280 From: Richard L. Carbo Date: 3/11/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [cnw] Digest Number 5487
Group: vintageHO Message: 26281 From: Cathy Palmer Date: 3/29/2017
Subject: Mantua sharknose
Group: vintageHO Message: 26282 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/29/2017
Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
Group: vintageHO Message: 26283 From: greenbrier614 Date: 3/29/2017
Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
Group: vintageHO Message: 26284 From: bivens74@hotmail.com Date: 3/29/2017
Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
Group: vintageHO Message: 26285 From: eriepacific@... Date: 3/29/2017
Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
Group: vintageHO Message: 26286 From: gerard_sr Date: 3/30/2017
Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
Group: vintageHO Message: 26287 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/30/2017
Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
Group: vintageHO Message: 26288 From: trainliker Date: 3/30/2017
Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
Group: vintageHO Message: 26289 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/30/2017
Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
Group: vintageHO Message: 26290 From: trainguru Date: 4/7/2017
Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
Group: vintageHO Message: 26291 From: bivens74@hotmail.com Date: 4/9/2017
Subject: Lionel ho gs4
Group: vintageHO Message: 26292 From: eriepacific@... Date: 4/9/2017
Subject: Re: Lionel ho gs4
Group: vintageHO Message: 26293 From: toytrain13 Date: 4/25/2017
Subject: Need Varney Super Mikado parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 26294 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vint
Group: vintageHO Message: 26295 From: Gary Mittner Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 26296 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 26297 From: louis niederlander Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 26298 From: eriepacific@... Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26299 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26300 From: Graeme Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 26301 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26302 From: louis niederlander Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26303 From: Gary Woodard Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26304 From: louis niederlander Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26305 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26306 From: trainliker Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent amessage about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26307 From: Gary Woodard Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26308 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26309 From: jbkeik060811 Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 26310 From: Gary Woodard Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26311 From: louis niederlander Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26312 From: Fred Holladay Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 26313 From: jbkeik060811 Date: 5/11/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 26314 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 5/11/2017
Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 26315 From: supdiv20 Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: EXPRESS REEFER
Group: vintageHO Message: 26316 From: eriepacific@... Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: Re: EXPRESS REEFER
Group: vintageHO Message: 26317 From: Denny Anspach Date: 5/22/2017
Subject: Re: EXPRESS REEFER
Group: vintageHO Message: 26318 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: Re: EXPRESS REEFER
Group: vintageHO Message: 26319 From: roger_aultman Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: Re: EXPRESS REEFER
Group: vintageHO Message: 26320 From: roger_aultman Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: H-O v 00
Group: vintageHO Message: 26321 From: eriepacific@... Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: Re: EXPRESS REEFER
Group: vintageHO Message: 26322 From: eriepacific@... Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: Re: H-O v 00 [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26323 From: dwaite2000 Date: 5/24/2017
Subject: EXPRESS REEFER
Group: vintageHO Message: 26324 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 5/24/2017
Subject: Re: EXPRESS REEFER
Group: vintageHO Message: 26325 From: eriepacific@... Date: 5/24/2017
Subject: Re: EXPRESS REEFER
Group: vintageHO Message: 26326 From: wmewright Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26327 From: trainliker Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wooden Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26328 From: trainliker Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wooden Ware boxcar 214 [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26329 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26330 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wooden Ware boxcar 214 [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26331 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wooden Ware boxcar 214 [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26332 From: luvprr2003 Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26333 From: rhbale8 Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26334 From: John Hagen Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26335 From: John Hagen Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26336 From: John Hagen Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26337 From: wmewright Date: 6/11/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26338 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/12/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26339 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 6/12/2017
Subject: Body bolster for Mantua HO aluminum passenger passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 26340 From: John Hagen Date: 6/12/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26341 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/12/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214 [2 Attachments]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26342 From: Howard R Garner Date: 6/13/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26343 From: John Hagen Date: 6/13/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26344 From: Denny Anspach Date: 6/13/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26345 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/14/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26346 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/14/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26347 From: anypaddler Date: 6/14/2017
Subject: ORER accuracy (was Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26348 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/14/2017
Subject: Re: Menasha Wood Ware boxcar 214
Group: vintageHO Message: 26349 From: Denny Anspach Date: 6/15/2017
Subject: Main line ModelsMenasha Woodenware box car #214. Oversized.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26350 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 6/25/2017
Subject: International,s Scale Model locomotive & Car Kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26351 From: John Hagen Date: 6/25/2017
Subject: Re: International,s Scale Model locomotive & Car Kits [2 Attachments
Group: vintageHO Message: 26352 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/25/2017
Subject: Re: International,s Scale Model locomotive & Car Kits [2 Attachme...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26353 From: prandn Date: 6/25/2017
Subject: Athearn BB kit Parts Envelopes
Group: vintageHO Message: 26354 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/25/2017
Subject: Re: Athearn BB kit Parts Envelopes
Group: vintageHO Message: 26355 From: nvrr49@yahoo.com Date: 6/25/2017
Subject: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26356 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 6/26/2017
Subject: Re: International,s Scale Model locomotive & Car Kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26357 From: John Hagen Date: 6/26/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26358 From: al45390 Date: 6/26/2017
Subject: Re: Body bolster for Mantua HO aluminum passenger passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 26359 From: nvrr49 Date: 6/26/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26360 From: Russ Shiel Date: 6/26/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26361 From: John Hagen Date: 6/26/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26362 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/26/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26363 From: Russ Shiel Date: 6/26/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26364 From: rayzef Date: 6/26/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26365 From: John Hagen Date: 6/27/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26366 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/27/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26367 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/27/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26368 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/27/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26369 From: nvrr49 Date: 6/28/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26370 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/28/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26371 From: John Hagen Date: 6/28/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26372 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26373 From: John Hagen Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26374 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26375 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26376 From: John Hagen Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26377 From: Bob Macklin Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26378 From: Bob Macklin Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26379 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26380 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26381 From: Doug Harris Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26382 From: roger_aultman Date: 6/29/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26383 From: Howard R Garner Date: 6/30/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26384 From: eriepacific@... Date: 6/30/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26385 From: nvrr49 Date: 6/30/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26386 From: nvrr49 Date: 6/30/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26387 From: nvrr49 Date: 6/30/2017
Subject: Glue for the unknown gondola kit.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26388 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/30/2017
Subject: Re: Glue for the unknown gondola kit.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26389 From: eriepacific@... Date: 7/1/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26390 From: nvrr49 Date: 7/3/2017
Subject: Re: Any idea as to the maker?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26391 From: Kent Hurley Date: 7/3/2017
Subject: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26392 From: nvrr49 Date: 7/4/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26393 From: eriepacific@... Date: 7/4/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26394 From: Ray Zeffert Date: 7/4/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26395 From: eriepacific@... Date: 7/4/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26396 From: Ray Zeffert Date: 7/5/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26397 From: eriepacific@... Date: 7/5/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26398 From: John Hagen Date: 7/5/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26399 From: John Hagen Date: 7/5/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26400 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/5/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26401 From: eriepacific@... Date: 7/5/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26402 From: John Hagen Date: 7/5/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26403 From: eriepacific@... Date: 7/5/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26404 From: John Hagen Date: 7/6/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26405 From: eriepacific@... Date: 7/6/2017
Subject: Re: Wabash Valley; was, Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26406 From: nvrr49 Date: 7/6/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26407 From: eriepacific@... Date: 7/6/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26408 From: Rick Jones Date: 7/6/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26409 From: John Hagen Date: 7/6/2017
Subject: Re: Wabash Valley; was, Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26410 From: Ray Zeffert Date: 7/6/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26411 From: Fred Holladay Date: 7/7/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26412 From: eriepacific@... Date: 7/7/2017
Subject: Re: Wabash Valley; was, Depressed Center flat, unknown maker ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26413 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/7/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26414 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/7/2017
Subject: Re: Depressed Center flat, unknown maker [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26415 From: Bob Macklin Date: 7/7/2017
Subject: Re: Wabash Valley; was, Depressed Center flat, unknown maker ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26416 From: Model RailRoad Warehouse Date: 7/8/2017
Subject: Re: Wabash Valley; was, Depressed Center flat, unknown maker ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26417 From: John Hagen Date: 7/8/2017
Subject: Re: Wabash Valley; was, Depressed Center flat, unknown maker ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26418 From: eriepacific@... Date: 7/8/2017
Subject: Re: Wabash Valley; was, Depressed Center flat, unknown maker ...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26419 From: denverrails Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Vintage models in a donation
Group: vintageHO Message: 26420 From: Doug Harris Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage models in a donation
Group: vintageHO Message: 26421 From: John Hagen Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage models in a donation
Group: vintageHO Message: 26422 From: Doug Harris Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage models in a donation
Group: vintageHO Message: 26423 From: denverrails Date: 7/11/2017
Subject: Additional Vintage models
Group: vintageHO Message: 26424 From: johnhutnick Date: 7/19/2017
Subject: Mainline Menasha paint color
Group: vintageHO Message: 26425 From: prandn Date: 7/22/2017
Subject: Lindberg Ho scale delrin trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 26426 From: Brad Smith Date: 7/22/2017
Subject: Re: Lindberg Ho scale delrin trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 26427 From: William Shenton Date: 7/23/2017
Subject: Red Ball Side Dump Hopper or Stone Car Instructions
Group: vintageHO Message: 26428 From: wmewright Date: 7/25/2017
Subject: Re: Lindberg Ho scale delrin trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 26429 From: gerard_sr Date: 7/27/2017
Subject: Re: Red Ball Side Dump Hopper or Stone Car Instructions
Group: vintageHO Message: 26430 From: Loren Martell Date: 8/17/2017
Subject: NeedHelpIdentifyingTrucks_Type&Maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26431 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 8/17/2017
Subject: Re: NeedHelpIdentifyingTrucks_Type&Maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26432 From: Bob Macklin Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Penn Line K$ Pacific!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26433 From: luvprr2003 Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Re: Penn Line K$ Pacific!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26434 From: trainliker Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Re: Penn Line K$ Pacific!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26435 From: Bob Macklin Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Re: Penn Line K$ Pacific!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26436 From: Bob Macklin Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Re: Penn Line K$ Pacific! [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26437 From: luvprr2003 Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Re: Penn Line K$ Pacific!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26438 From: Bob Macklin Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Re: Penn Line K$ Pacific!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26439 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Re: Penn Line K$ Pacific!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26440 From: Bob Macklin Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Re: Penn Line K$ Pacific!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26441 From: louis niederlander Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Re: Penn Line K$ Pacific!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26442 From: Bob Macklin Date: 8/23/2017
Subject: Re: Penn Line K$ Pacific!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26445 From: david_helber Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Small switchers, DC, Code 100 Mini-Layout
Group: vintageHO Message: 26446 From: david_helber Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: Small switchers, DC, Code 100 Mini-Layout
Group: vintageHO Message: 26447 From: eriepacific@... Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: Small switchers, DC, Code 100 Mini-Layout
Group: vintageHO Message: 26448 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26449 From: louis niederlander Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26450 From: Bob Macklin Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26451 From: Jacob Bechtel Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26452 From: Larry Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26453 From: Jacob Bechtel Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26454 From: david_helber Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26455 From: david_helber Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26456 From: Brad Smith Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26457 From: david_helber Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26458 From: david_helber Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26459 From: willard seehorn Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26460 From: Ola_Sj=c3=b6blom Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26461 From: Doug Harris Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26462 From: Dennis Thompson Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26463 From: John Hagen Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26464 From: Bob Macklin Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26465 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26466 From: eriepacific@... Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26467 From: Jacob Bechtel Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26468 From: Bob Macklin Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26469 From: Larry Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26470 From: Jacob Bechtel Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26471 From: John Hagen Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26472 From: eriepacific@... Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26473 From: Doug Harris Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26474 From: Doug Harris Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26475 From: david_helber Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26476 From: david_helber Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26477 From: david_helber Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26478 From: hornbymeccano Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26479 From: david_helber Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26480 From: maryinvt2 Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26481 From: eriepacific@... Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26482 From: luvprr2003 Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26483 From: Bob Macklin Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26484 From: Bob Macklin Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26485 From: louis niederlander Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26486 From: Brad Smith Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26487 From: Dave Audley Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26488 From: Doug Harris Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26489 From: Doug Harris Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Small Switchers, DC, Code 100
Group: vintageHO Message: 26490 From: Doug Harris Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26491 From: Ed Weldon Date: 9/2/2017
Subject: Re: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26492 From: rxensen Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Kadee springs
Group: vintageHO Message: 26493 From: rebendever Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: DEBenLLC 17% Off Labor Day Sale!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26494 From: Bob Macklin Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: Kadee springs
Group: vintageHO Message: 26495 From: eriepacific@... Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: DEBenLLC 17% Off Labor Day Sale! [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26496 From: david_helber Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26497 From: John Hagen Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: DEBenLLC 17% Off Labor Day Sale!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26498 From: George Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26499 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: DEBenLLC 17% Off Labor Day Sale!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26500 From: eriepacific@... Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: DEBenLLC 17% Off Labor Day Sale!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26501 From: greenbrier614 Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: Watchmaker's Bench
Group: vintageHO Message: 26502 From: John Hagen Date: 9/4/2017
Subject: Re: DEBenLLC 17% Off Labor Day Sale!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26503 From: eriepacific@... Date: 9/4/2017
Subject: Re: DEBenLLC 17% Off Labor Day Sale!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26504 From: DOM ST.JOHN Date: 9/7/2017
Subject: Marx HO Hudson repair,
Group: vintageHO Message: 26505 From: trainliker Date: 9/7/2017
Subject: Re: Marx HO Hudson repair,
Group: vintageHO Message: 26506 From: Donald R. Staton Date: 9/7/2017
Subject: Re: Marx HO Hudson repair, [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26507 From: johnhutnick Date: 9/9/2017
Subject: old layout
Group: vintageHO Message: 26508 From: trainliker Date: 9/9/2017
Subject: Re: old layout
Group: vintageHO Message: 26509 From: rxensen Date: 9/27/2017
Subject: motor lubercation
Group: vintageHO Message: 26510 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 9/27/2017
Subject: Re: motor lubercation
Group: vintageHO Message: 26511 From: ron christensen Date: 9/28/2017
Subject: Re: motor lubercation
Group: vintageHO Message: 26512 From: Rick Jones Date: 9/28/2017
Subject: Re: motor lubercation
Group: vintageHO Message: 26513 From: Bob Macklin Date: 9/28/2017
Subject: Re: motor lubercation
Group: vintageHO Message: 26514 From: jimwatermanboeing Date: 10/2/2017
Subject: Trackside Specialties P5-A kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 26515 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 10/2/2017
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties P5-A kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 26516 From: Doug Harris Date: 10/2/2017
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties P5-A kit - Now OT Rant..
Group: vintageHO Message: 26517 From: corlissbs Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Floquil Primer
Group: vintageHO Message: 26518 From: trainliker Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: Floquil Primer
Group: vintageHO Message: 26519 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: Floquil Primer [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26520 From: Brad Smith Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: Floquil Primer [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26521 From: trainliker Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: Floquil Primer
Group: vintageHO Message: 26522 From: trainliker Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: Floquil Primer
Group: vintageHO Message: 26523 From: luvprr2003 Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Rail Chief Products
Group: vintageHO Message: 26524 From: trainliker Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: Rail Chief Products
Group: vintageHO Message: 26525 From: luvprr2003 Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: Rail Chief Products [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26526 From: trainliker Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: Rail Chief Products
Group: vintageHO Message: 26527 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: [vintage] Rail Chief Products
Group: vintageHO Message: 26528 From: eriepacific@... Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: Rail Chief Products [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26529 From: eriepacific@... Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: Rail Chief Products
Group: vintageHO Message: 26530 From: Sean Naylor Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26531 From: luvprr2003 Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26532 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26533 From: trainliker Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26534 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Re: [vintage] Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26535 From: Sean Naylor Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26536 From: John Hagen Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26537 From: luvprr2003 Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Bowser repairs
Group: vintageHO Message: 26538 From: Model RailRoad Warehouse Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Dunellen NJ Shop Re: [vintage] Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26539 From: eriepacific@... Date: 11/14/2017
Subject: Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26540 From: trainliker Date: 11/14/2017
Subject: Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26541 From: Willard Seehorn Date: 11/14/2017
Subject: Re: Bowser repairs
Group: vintageHO Message: 26542 From: luvprr2003 Date: 11/14/2017
Subject: Re: Bowser repairs
Group: vintageHO Message: 26543 From: eriepacific@... Date: 11/14/2017
Subject: Re: Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26544 From: Fred Holladay Date: 11/14/2017
Subject: Re: [vintage] Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26545 From: eriepacific@... Date: 11/14/2017
Subject: Re: [vintage] Authenticast Vintage HO Box Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26546 From: lefcguy Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26547 From: luvprr2003 Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26548 From: luvprr2003 Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26549 From: eriepacific@... Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26550 From: Bob Macklin Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26551 From: trainliker Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26552 From: Rick Jones Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26553 From: trainliker Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26554 From: eriepacific@... Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26555 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26556 From: eriepacific@... Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26557 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/19/2017
Subject: Re: Ideal building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 26558 From: greenbrier614 Date: 11/21/2017
Subject: Old Cast Brass Hudson
Group: vintageHO Message: 26559 From: eriepacific@... Date: 11/21/2017
Subject: Re: Old Cast Brass Hudson
Group: vintageHO Message: 26560 From: greenbrier614 Date: 11/21/2017
Subject: Re: Old Cast Brass Hudson
Group: vintageHO Message: 26561 From: william witte Date: 11/22/2017
Subject: Re: Old Cast Brass Hudson
Group: vintageHO Message: 26562 From: william witte Date: 11/22/2017
Subject: Re: Old Cast Brass Hudson
Group: vintageHO Message: 26563 From: greenbrier614 Date: 11/22/2017
Subject: Re: Old Cast Brass Hudson
Group: vintageHO Message: 26564 From: John Hagen Date: 11/22/2017
Subject: Re: Old Cast Brass Hudson
Group: vintageHO Message: 26565 From: John Hagen Date: 11/22/2017
Subject: Re: Old Cast Brass Hudson
Group: vintageHO Message: 26566 From: greenbrier614 Date: 11/25/2017
Subject: Re: Old Cast Brass Hudson
Group: vintageHO Message: 26567 From: trainliker Date: 11/30/2017
Subject: Campbell Scale Models Quincy building year introduced
Group: vintageHO Message: 26568 From: rhbale8 Date: 11/30/2017
Subject: Re: Campbell Scale Models Quincy building year introduced
Group: vintageHO Message: 26569 From: eriepacific@... Date: 12/1/2017
Subject: Re: Campbell Scale Models Quincy building year introduced
Group: vintageHO Message: 26570 From: jackdziadul Date: 12/3/2017
Subject: Campbell Scale Models Quincy building year introduced
Group: vintageHO Message: 26571 From: eriepacific@... Date: 12/3/2017
Subject: Re: Campbell Scale Models - Ayres Scale Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 26572 From: rhbale8 Date: 12/3/2017
Subject: Re Leo Campbell
Group: vintageHO Message: 26573 From: eriepacific@... Date: 12/3/2017
Subject: Re: Re Leo Campbell
Group: vintageHO Message: 26574 From: peytonharvey82 Date: 12/8/2017
Subject: FS Walthers 4 Orange box aluminum passenger kits w/super details, tr
Group: vintageHO Message: 26575 From: denverrails Date: 12/11/2017
Subject: Vintage models
Group: vintageHO Message: 26576 From: anypaddler Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26577 From: Brad Smith Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26578 From: maryinvt2 Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Tyco/Mantua motor wire lug for steamers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26579 From: Brad Smith Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Tyco/Mantua motor wire lug for steamers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26580 From: eriepacific@... Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Tyco/Mantua motor wire lug for steamers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26581 From: Larry Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Tyco/Mantua motor wire lug for steamers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26582 From: eriepacific@... Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Tyco/Mantua motor wire lug for steamers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26583 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Tyco/Mantua motor wire lug for steamers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26584 From: iimpster Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: bell tolling for yahoo... what about VintageHO ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26585 From: iimpster Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: VintageHO & Marissa Mayer - ugh.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26586 From: wilmeaux Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Tyco/Mantua motor wire lug for steamers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26587 From: trainliker Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Tyco/Mantua motor wire lug for steamers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26588 From: trainliker Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Metal drop bottom doors for Detail Associates composite gondolas
Group: vintageHO Message: 26589 From: Howard R Garner Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: Tyco/Mantua motor wire lug for steamers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26590 From: eriepacific@... Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: Metal drop bottom doors for Detail Associates composite gondo...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26591 From: trainliker Date: 12/14/2017
Subject: Re: Metal drop bottom doors for Detail Associates composite gondo...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26592 From: eriepacific@... Date: 12/14/2017
Subject: Re: Metal drop bottom doors for Detail Associates composite gondo...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26593 From: William Murray Date: 12/15/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26594 From: Ed Weldon Date: 12/15/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26595 From: eriepacific@... Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26596 From: david vartanoff Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3923
Group: vintageHO Message: 26597 From: Rick Jones Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26598 From: Ken Starcher Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26599 From: trainliker Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26600 From: Brad Smith Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26601 From: DOM ST.JOHN Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Possible Lionel HO set box? Or...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26602 From: trainliker Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Possible Lionel HO set box? Or...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26603 From: DOM ST.JOHN Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Possible Lionel HO set box? Or...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26604 From: DOM ST.JOHN Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Possible Lionel HO set box? Or...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26605 From: trainliker Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Possible Lionel HO set box? Or...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26606 From: Joseph Mitchell Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Possible Lionel HO set box? Or...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26607 From: Nita and Jerry Jenkins Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26608 From: trainliker Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Possible Lionel HO set box? Or...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26609 From: Ed Weldon Date: 12/16/2017
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3923
Group: vintageHO Message: 26610 From: bcerestrains Date: 12/17/2017
Subject: Re: Possible Lionel HO set box? Or...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26611 From: DOM ST.JOHN Date: 12/17/2017
Subject: Re: Possible Lionel HO set box? Or...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26612 From: Dale Smith Date: 12/17/2017
Subject: Re: Possible Lionel HO set box? Or...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26613 From: Sean Naylor Date: 1/5/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26614 From: Brad Smith Date: 1/5/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26615 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/5/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26616 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26617 From: luvprr2003 Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26618 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26619 From: Donald R. Staton Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26620 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26621 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26622 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26623 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26624 From: Ed Weldon Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26625 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26626 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26627 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26628 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26629 From: Ken Starcher Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage loco seen at train shows
Group: vintageHO Message: 26630 From: takefive247 Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Mantua Brass engine parts and info needed
Group: vintageHO Message: 26631 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Mantua Brass engine parts and info needed
Group: vintageHO Message: 26632 From: david_helber Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26633 From: trainliker Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26634 From: John Hagen Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26635 From: John Hagen Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26636 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26637 From: david_helber Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26638 From: Brad Smith Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26639 From: david_helber Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26640 From: Brad Smith Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26641 From: trainliker Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26642 From: John Hagen Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26643 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26644 From: John Hagen Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26645 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26646 From: david_helber Date: 1/12/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26647 From: Graeme Date: 1/13/2018
Subject: Re: Mystery FM Body
Group: vintageHO Message: 26648 From: anypaddler Date: 1/14/2018
Subject: Re: EE Deltic (was Mystery FM Body)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26649 From: Graeme Date: 1/15/2018
Subject: Re: EE Deltic (was Mystery FM Body)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26650 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 1/15/2018
Subject: Re: EE Deltic (was Mystery FM Body)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26651 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: International CNJ 4-6-0 With Flighwheel Drive
Group: vintageHO Message: 26652 From: earlyrail Date: 1/21/2018
Subject: Auction Items
Group: vintageHO Message: 26653 From: the_plainsman Date: 1/21/2018
Subject: Re: Auction Items
Group: vintageHO Message: 26654 From: jbark76 Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26655 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26656 From: jbark76 Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26657 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26658 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26659 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26660 From: louis niederlander Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26661 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26662 From: louis niederlander Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26663 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26664 From: the_plainsman Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26665 From: the_plainsman Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26666 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26667 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26668 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26669 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26670 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26671 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26672 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: OT: Northeast Corridor
Group: vintageHO Message: 26673 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: Re: OT: Northeast Corridor
Group: vintageHO Message: 26674 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: Re: OT: Northeast Corridor
Group: vintageHO Message: 26675 From: luvprr2003 Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26676 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26677 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: Re: O/T: Light Rail; was, Northeast Corridor
Group: vintageHO Message: 26678 From: wilmeaux Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: Re: OT: Northeast Corridor
Group: vintageHO Message: 26679 From: luvprr2003 Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26680 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/27/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26681 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/27/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26682 From: anypaddler Date: 1/27/2018
Subject: Re: OT: Northeast Corridor
Group: vintageHO Message: 26683 From: luvprr2003 Date: 1/27/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26684 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/27/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26685 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/27/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26686 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/27/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26687 From: the_plainsman Date: 1/27/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26688 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 1/27/2018
Subject: International & PFM Tenshodo FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 26689 From: trainliker Date: 1/27/2018
Subject: Re: International & PFM Tenshodo FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 26690 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/28/2018
Subject: Re: OT: Northeast Corridor
Group: vintageHO Message: 26691 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/28/2018
Subject: Re: OT: Northeast Corridor
Group: vintageHO Message: 26692 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 1/28/2018
Subject: Re: Streetcar Models of Manhattan & Bronx, NYC
Group: vintageHO Message: 26693 From: the_plainsman Date: 1/28/2018
Subject: Re: International & PFM Tenshodo FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 26694 From: trainliker Date: 1/28/2018
Subject: Re: International & PFM Tenshodo FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 26695 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/29/2018
Subject: Re: Streetcar Models of Manhattan & Bronx, NYC
Group: vintageHO Message: 26696 From: louis niederlander Date: 1/29/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26697 From: Bob Macklin Date: 1/29/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1 photo attached
Group: vintageHO Message: 26698 From: Ken Starcher Date: 1/30/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26699 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: International & PFM Tenshodo FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 26700 From: luvprr2003 Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26701 From: Ken Starcher Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26702 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26703 From: luvprr2003 Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26704 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Famoco B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 26705 From: cwrailman Date: 2/4/2018
Subject: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26706 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/4/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26707 From: trainliker Date: 2/4/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26708 From: cwrailman Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26709 From: trainliker Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26710 From: trainliker Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26711 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26712 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26713 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26714 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26715 From: J. L. Edwards Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26716 From: david vartanoff Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26717 From: John Hagen Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26718 From: John Hagen Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26719 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26720 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26721 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26722 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26723 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26724 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26725 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26726 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26727 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26728 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26729 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26730 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26731 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26732 From: trainliker Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26733 From: John Hagen Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26734 From: John Hagen Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26735 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26736 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26737 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3948
Group: vintageHO Message: 26738 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26739 From: John Hagen Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26740 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26741 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26742 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26743 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26744 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26745 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26746 From: trainliker Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26747 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26748 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26749 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26750 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26751 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26752 From: John Hagen Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26753 From: cwrailman Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26754 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26755 From: John Hagen Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26756 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26757 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26758 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26759 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26760 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26761 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26762 From: John Hagen Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26763 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26764 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26765 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26766 From: John Hagen Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26767 From: John Hagen Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26768 From: John Hagen Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26769 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26770 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26771 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26772 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26773 From: John Hagen Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26774 From: John Hagen Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26775 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26776 From: J. L. Edwards Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26777 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26778 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26779 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26780 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26781 From: louis niederlander Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26782 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26783 From: rcjge Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26784 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26785 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26786 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26787 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26788 From: Brad Smith Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26789 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26790 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26791 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26792 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26793 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26794 From: Ken Starcher Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26795 From: Ken Starcher Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26796 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26797 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26798 From: rcjge Date: 2/9/2018
Subject: Re: EE Deltic (was Mystery FM Body)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26799 From: anypaddler Date: 2/10/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26800 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/10/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26801 From: John Hagen Date: 2/10/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26802 From: Brad Smith Date: 2/10/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26803 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/10/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26804 From: louis niederlander Date: 2/10/2018
Subject: Re: Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26805 From: anypaddler Date: 2/11/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26806 From: lefcguy Date: 2/12/2018
Subject: Aristocraft foil stickers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26807 From: Alfred Erdmann Date: 2/12/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3957
Group: vintageHO Message: 26808 From: the_plainsman Date: 2/14/2018
Subject: Re: Aristocraft foil stickers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26809 From: Jeff Parsons Date: 2/16/2018
Subject: Re: Aristocraft foil stickers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26810 From: rshiel01 Date: 2/16/2018
Subject: looking for
Group: vintageHO Message: 26811 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/17/2018
Subject: Re: Aristocraft foil stickers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26812 From: corlissbs Date: 2/18/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26813 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/18/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26814 From: Corlissbs Date: 2/19/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26815 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/19/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26816 From: anypaddler Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: Cost of shipping (was Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switc
Group: vintageHO Message: 26817 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: Cost of shipping (was Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varne...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26818 From: Brad Smith Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: Cost of shipping (was Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varne...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26819 From: John Hagen Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varney Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 26820 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: Cost of shipping (was Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varne...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26821 From: Rick Jones Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: Cost of shipping (was Off Subject, was; Regearing a Varne...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26822 From: Jeff Parsons Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Re: Aristocraft foil stickers
Group: vintageHO Message: 26823 From: daddy8083 Date: 2/22/2018
Subject: Speaking of decals...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26824 From: luvprr2003 Date: 2/22/2018
Subject: Re: Speaking of decals...
Group: vintageHO Message: 26825 From: ocalicreek Date: 2/24/2018
Subject: Laconia Ralston Purina Ventilated Box Car (Reefer)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26826 From: corlissbs Date: 3/19/2018
Subject: Message For Chuck Kinzer
Group: vintageHO Message: 26827 From: trainliker Date: 3/19/2018
Subject: Re: Message For Chuck Kinzer
Group: vintageHO Message: 26828 From: trainliker Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: Re: Message For Chuck Kinzer
Group: vintageHO Message: 26829 From: Bob Macklin Date: 3/30/2018
Subject: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26830 From: eriepacific@... Date: 3/30/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26831 From: John Hagen Date: 3/31/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26832 From: eriepacific@... Date: 3/31/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26833 From: Brad Smith Date: 3/31/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26834 From: John Hagen Date: 3/31/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26835 From: david vartanoff Date: 3/31/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3970 Mantua-Tyco
Group: vintageHO Message: 26836 From: Brad Smith Date: 3/31/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3970 Mantua-Tyco
Group: vintageHO Message: 26837 From: Corlissbs Date: 3/31/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26838 From: John Hagen Date: 3/31/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3970 Mantua-Tyco
Group: vintageHO Message: 26839 From: Bob Macklin Date: 3/31/2018
Subject: TEST??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26840 From: eriepacific@... Date: 4/1/2018
Subject: Re: TEST??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26841 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 4/1/2018
Subject: Re: TEST??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26842 From: Bob Macklin Date: 4/1/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26843 From: eriepacific@... Date: 4/1/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26844 From: Bob Macklin Date: 4/1/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26845 From: John Hagen Date: 4/1/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26846 From: Donald R. Staton Date: 4/1/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26847 From: Dennis Thompson Date: 4/1/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO?? Mike to Hobbyline?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26848 From: Donald R. Staton Date: 4/2/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO?? Mike to Hobbyline?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26849 From: eriepacific@... Date: 4/2/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26850 From: Bob Macklin Date: 4/2/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26851 From: eriepacific@... Date: 4/2/2018
Subject: Re: O/T; was, Mantuas/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26852 From: John Hagen Date: 4/2/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26853 From: eriepacific@... Date: 4/3/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26854 From: Bob Macklin Date: 4/3/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26855 From: eriepacific@... Date: 4/3/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26856 From: Bob Macklin Date: 4/3/2018
Subject: Re: Mantus/TYCO??
Group: vintageHO Message: 26857 From: terry.cowger Date: 4/5/2018
Subject: pitman magnet conversion
Group: vintageHO Message: 26858 From: trainliker Date: 4/5/2018
Subject: Re: pitman magnet conversion
Group: vintageHO Message: 26859 From: terry.cowger Date: 4/6/2018
Subject: Re: pitman magnet conversion
Group: vintageHO Message: 26860 From: eriepacific@... Date: 4/6/2018
Subject: Re: pitman magnet conversion
Group: vintageHO Message: 26861 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 4/6/2018
Subject: Re: pitman magnet conversion
Group: vintageHO Message: 26862 From: WILLIAM Date: 4/6/2018
Subject: Re: pitman magnet conversion
Group: vintageHO Message: 26863 From: Terry Cowger Date: 4/6/2018
Subject: Re: pitman magnet conversion
Group: vintageHO Message: 26864 From: bitlerisvj Date: 4/8/2018
Subject: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26865 From: Brad Smith Date: 4/8/2018
Subject: Re: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26866 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 4/8/2018
Subject: Re: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26867 From: Bob Macklin Date: 4/8/2018
Subject: Re: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26868 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 4/8/2018
Subject: Re: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26869 From: Bob Macklin Date: 4/8/2018
Subject: Re: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26870 From: Sean Naylor Date: 4/9/2018
Subject: Re: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26871 From: maryinvt2 Date: 4/9/2018
Subject: Re: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26872 From: Denny Anspach Date: 4/9/2018
Subject: Re: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26873 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 4/9/2018
Subject: Re: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26874 From: jimwatermanboeing Date: 4/10/2018
Subject: Trackside Specialties O1-C kit - ebay auction
Group: vintageHO Message: 26875 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 4/11/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties O1-C kit - ebay auction
Group: vintageHO Message: 26876 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 4/11/2018
Subject: Re: Varney Dockside
Group: vintageHO Message: 26877 From: Jim Waterman Date: 4/12/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties O1-C kit - ebay auction
Group: vintageHO Message: 26878 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 4/13/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties unique L-6, (and the O-1c)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26879 From: jimwatermanboeing Date: 4/14/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties unique L-6, (and the O-1c)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26880 From: Jim Waterman Date: 4/15/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties unique L-6, (and the O-1c)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26881 From: the_plainsman Date: 4/15/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties unique L-6, (and the O-1c)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26882 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 4/15/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties unique L-6, (and the O-1c)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26883 From: Denny Anspach Date: 4/16/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties unique L-6, (and the O-1c)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26884 From: Jim Waterman Date: 4/17/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties unique L-6, (and the O-1c)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26885 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 4/17/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties unique L-6, (and the O-1c)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26886 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 4/17/2018
Subject: Hobbytown & Cary GN E-7's
Group: vintageHO Message: 26887 From: John Hagen Date: 4/17/2018
Subject: Re: Hobbytown & Cary GN E-7's
Group: vintageHO Message: 26888 From: eriepacific@... Date: 4/17/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties unique L-6, (and the O-1c)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26889 From: sean naylor Date: 4/30/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties unique L-6, (and the O-1c)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26890 From: Sean Naylor Date: 4/30/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties P5a (Old: unique L-6, (and the O-1c))
Group: vintageHO Message: 26891 From: Sean Naylor Date: 4/30/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties P5a (Old: unique L-6, (and the O-1c)) [4 A
Group: vintageHO Message: 26892 From: dale2680 Date: 4/30/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties P5a (Old: unique L-6, (and the O-1c)) [4 A
Group: vintageHO Message: 26893 From: dale2680 Date: 4/30/2018
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties P5a (Old: unique L-6, (and the O-1c)) [4 A
Group: vintageHO Message: 26894 From: rxensen Date: 5/15/2018
Subject: Mantua Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 26896 From: greenbrier614 Date: 5/15/2018
Subject: Re: Mantua Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 26897 From: Dennis Kunkel Date: 5/16/2018
Subject: Re: Mantua Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 26898 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 5/31/2018
Subject: Old type Varney Dockside Frame
Group: vintageHO Message: 26899 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 6/1/2018
Subject: Re: Old type Varney Dockside Frame [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26900 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 6/1/2018
Subject: Re: Old type Varney Dockside Frame
Group: vintageHO Message: 26901 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 6/1/2018
Subject: Re: Old type Varney Dockside Frame
Group: vintageHO Message: 26902 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/2/2018
Subject: Re: Old type Varney Dockside Frame
Group: vintageHO Message: 26903 From: david vartanoff Date: 6/2/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3992
Group: vintageHO Message: 26904 From: rcjge Date: 6/2/2018
Subject: Looking for Varney Docksider Steam chests/cylinders?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26905 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 6/2/2018
Subject: Bowser 5.31.18 Fire Sale List
Group: vintageHO Message: 26906 From: Rick Jones Date: 6/2/2018
Subject: Re: Bowser 5.31.18 Fire Sale List
Group: vintageHO Message: 26907 From: Rick Jones Date: 6/2/2018
Subject: Re: Bowser 5.31.18 Fire Sale List
Group: vintageHO Message: 26908 From: william witte Date: 6/2/2018
Subject: Re: Old type Varney Dockside Frame
Group: vintageHO Message: 26909 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 6/2/2018
Subject: Yahoo Groups Status update
Group: vintageHO Message: 26910 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/3/2018
Subject: Re: Bowser 5.31.18 Fire Sale List
Group: vintageHO Message: 26911 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/4/2018
Subject: Re: Bowser 5.31.18 Fire Sale List
Group: vintageHO Message: 26912 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/4/2018
Subject: Re: Bowser 5.31.18 Fire Sale List
Group: vintageHO Message: 26913 From: greenbrier614 Date: 6/4/2018
Subject: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26914 From: trainliker Date: 6/4/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26915 From: Richard Kurz Date: 6/5/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26916 From: trainliker Date: 6/5/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26917 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 6/5/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26918 From: trainliker Date: 6/5/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26919 From: trainliker Date: 6/5/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26920 From: the_plainsman Date: 6/5/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26921 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/5/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26922 From: Ola_Sj=c3=b6blom Date: 6/5/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26923 From: Jim Waterman Date: 6/6/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26924 From: trainliker Date: 6/6/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26926 From: greenbrier614 Date: 6/6/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab? [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26928 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 6/6/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26929 From: Jay Wanczyk Date: 6/11/2018
Subject: LV #76, Brill Boxcab Model
Group: vintageHO Message: 26930 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 6/11/2018
Subject: Re: LV #76, Brill Boxcab Model [3 Attachments]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26931 From: the_plainsman Date: 6/11/2018
Subject: Re: LV #76, Brill Boxcab Model [3 Attachments]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26932 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/12/2018
Subject: Re: LV #76, Brill Boxcab Model
Group: vintageHO Message: 26933 From: trainliker Date: 6/12/2018
Subject: Re: LV #76, Brill Boxcab Model
Group: vintageHO Message: 26934 From: Dale Smith Date: 6/12/2018
Subject: Moving the Group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26935 From: trainliker Date: 6/12/2018
Subject: Re: Moving the Group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26936 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 6/13/2018
Subject: Re: Moving the Group [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26937 From: david vartanoff Date: 6/13/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 3999
Group: vintageHO Message: 26938 From: Dale Smith Date: 6/13/2018
Subject: Re: Moving the Group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26939 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 6/13/2018
Subject: Re: Moving the Group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26940 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 6/13/2018
Subject: Re: Moving the Group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26941 From: the_plainsman Date: 6/18/2018
Subject: Re: Moving the Group [1 Attachment]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26942 From: Larry Date: 6/19/2018
Subject: Re: Moving the Group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26943 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 6/19/2018
Subject: Re: Moving the Group
Group: vintageHO Message: 26944 From: Kent Hurley Date: 6/19/2018
Subject: Flat car maker
Group: vintageHO Message: 26945 From: Larry Date: 6/19/2018
Subject: Re: Flat car maker [3 Attachments]
Group: vintageHO Message: 26946 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/21/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26947 From: Dale Smith Date: 6/21/2018
Subject: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26948 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/21/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26949 From: Jim Waterman Date: 6/22/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26950 From: Larry Date: 6/22/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26951 From: Roger Whiffin Date: 6/22/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26952 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/22/2018
Subject: Re: Old 3 Rail HO Boxcab?
Group: vintageHO Message: 26953 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 6/22/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26954 From: SP4149 Date: 6/22/2018
Subject: Re: the problems in Yahoo Groups (YG)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26955 From: SP4149 Date: 6/22/2018
Subject: Re: [RepowerAndRegear] the problems in Yahoo Groups (YG)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26956 From: SP4149 Date: 6/22/2018
Subject: Re: [RepowerAndRegear] the problems in Yahoo Groups (YG)
Group: vintageHO Message: 26957 From: eraitch Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26958 From: trainliker Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26959 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26960 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26961 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26962 From: trainliker Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running.Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26963 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running.Please join [1 Attachm
Group: vintageHO Message: 26964 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26965 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26966 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26967 From: trainliker Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running.Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26968 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io - misc.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26969 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running.Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26970 From: trainliker Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up andrunning.Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26971 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26972 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26973 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26974 From: John Hagen Date: 6/26/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26975 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/27/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up andrunning.Please join [1 Attachme
Group: vintageHO Message: 26976 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/27/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26977 From: anypaddler Date: 6/27/2018
Subject: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26978 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/27/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26979 From: John Hagen Date: 6/27/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26980 From: Donald R. Staton Date: 6/27/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26981 From: D.F. Smith Date: 6/27/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26982 From: D.F. Smith Date: 6/27/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26983 From: D.F. Smith Date: 6/27/2018
Subject: What the future holds for Vintage HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 26984 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 6/28/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26985 From: Bob Macklin Date: 6/29/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26986 From: trainliker Date: 6/29/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Pleasejoin
Group: vintageHO Message: 26987 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 6/29/2018
Subject: Re: Vintage HO at Groups.io is up and running. Please join
Group: vintageHO Message: 26988 From: John Hagen Date: 6/29/2018
Subject: Re: Moving Photos - Fixed
Group: vintageHO Message: 26989 From: dale2680 Date: 7/15/2018
Subject: Subscribe to VintageHO at groups.io
Group: vintageHO Message: 26990 From: Dennis Thompson Date: 7/17/2018
Subject: Atlas Alco S-2 p/n 8070: need tips to remove shell
Group: vintageHO Message: 26991 From: Bob Macklin Date: 7/18/2018
Subject: Re: Atlas Alco S-2 p/n 8070: need tips to remove shell
Group: vintageHO Message: 26992 From: David J. Starr Date: 8/2/2018
Subject: Re: Suspicious Email from Groups.io
Group: vintageHO Message: 26993 From: Denny Anspach Date: 10/14/2018
Subject: Archive of MODEL CRAFTSMAN/RAILROAD MODEL CRAFTSMAN magazines.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26994 From: rcjge Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: Lima Caboose Railing/ladder
Group: vintageHO Message: 26995 From: Bob Macklin Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: TEST!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26996 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: Re: TEST!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26997 From: Richard Carbo Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: Re: TEST!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26998 From: louis niederlander Date: 3/4/2019
Subject: Re: TEST!
Group: vintageHO Message: 26999 From: cnrmike1989 Date: 3/5/2019
Subject: Downsizine collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 27000 From: Bob Macklin Date: 3/5/2019
Subject: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27001 From: Riverboy Date: 3/5/2019
Subject: Re: Downsizine collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 27002 From: Brad Smith Date: 3/5/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27003 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 3/5/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27004 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 3/5/2019
Subject: Re: Downsizine collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 27005 From: Corlissbs Date: 3/5/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27006 From: John Hagen Date: 3/5/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27007 From: Bob Macklin Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27008 From: Bob Macklin Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27009 From: roger_aultman Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27010 From: John Hagen Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revised!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27011 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27012 From: Van Campbell Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27013 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27014 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27015 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27016 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Message activity on VintageHO at yahoo groups
Group: vintageHO Message: 27017 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Message activity on VintageHO at yahoo groups
Group: vintageHO Message: 27018 From: John Hagen Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revised!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27019 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27020 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27021 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27022 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Message activity on VintageHO at yahoo groups
Group: vintageHO Message: 27023 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revised!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27024 From: roger_aultman Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27025 From: trainliker Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27026 From: trainliker Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27027 From: Van Campbell Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27028 From: John Hagen Date: 3/6/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revised!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27029 From: Van Campbell Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27030 From: John Hagen Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27031 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: Message activity on VintageHO at yahoo groups
Group: vintageHO Message: 27032 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27033 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27034 From: Brad Smith Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27035 From: dale2680 Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Please do not post to this list - we have moved to vintageHO@groups.
Group: vintageHO Message: 27036 From: dale2680 Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Please Contact Me
Group: vintageHO Message: 27037 From: dale2680 Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: Please Contact Me
Group: vintageHO Message: 27038 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 3/8/2019
Subject: Re: Please Contact Me
Group: vintageHO Message: 27039 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/8/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27040 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/8/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27041 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/8/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27042 From: anypaddler Date: 3/9/2019
Subject: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27043 From: Van Campbell Date: 3/9/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27044 From: Corlissbs Date: 3/9/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27045 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/9/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27046 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/9/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27047 From: Corlissbs Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27048 From: Van Campbell Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27049 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27050 From: Van Campbell Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27051 From: Van Campbell Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27052 From: Van Campbell Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27053 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27054 From: John Hagen Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27055 From: Dave Audley Date: 3/11/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27056 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/11/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27057 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/11/2019
Subject: Re: Globe F-7s Revited!
Group: vintageHO Message: 27058 From: John Hagen Date: 3/11/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27059 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/12/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27060 From: Van Campbell Date: 3/13/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27061 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/13/2019
Subject: Fwd: Messages to Yahoo groups continue
Group: vintageHO Message: 27062 From: J. L. Edwards Date: 3/19/2019
Subject: Re: Vintage Lindsay Drives
Group: vintageHO Message: 27063 From: rcjge Date: 4/7/2019
Subject: For Sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 27064 From: toptrain2100 Date: 9/22/2019
Subject: HObbyline HO trains.
Group: vintageHO Message: 27065 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 9/22/2019
Subject: Re: HObbyline HO trains.
Group: vintageHO Message: 27066 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: HObbyline HO trains. ( this group is closed)
Group: vintageHO Message: 27067 From: Dale Smith Date: 9/25/2019
Subject: New members
Group: vintageHO Message: 27068 From: toptrain2100 Date: 10/15/2019
Subject: Re: Another 'mystery' car
Group: vintageHO Message: 27069 From: toptrain2100 Date: 10/15/2019
Subject: Re: Athearn rubber band drive
Group: vintageHO Message: 27070 From: David J. Starr Date: 10/15/2019
Subject: Re: Athearn rubber band drive
Group: vintageHO Message: 27071 From: Charles Kinzer Date: 10/15/2019
Subject: Re: Athearn rubber band drive
Group: vintageHO Message: 27072 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/15/2019
Subject: Fwd: Re: [vintageHO] Athearn rubber band drive
Group: vintageHO Message: 27073 From: John Hagen Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Re: Athearn rubber band drive
Group: vintageHO Message: 27074 From: David J. Starr Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Re: Athearn rubber band drive
Group: vintageHO Message: 27075 From: monty cunningham Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Re: Athearn rubber band drive



Group: vintageHO Message: 26214 From: goingincirclez76 Date: 1/3/2017
Subject: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine

Happy 2017!


Allow me to finally introduce myself: my name is Tony Lucio and I’ve lurked on VintageHO for a couple years now. I recognize a few names from other forums as well.  I used to have a web presence that I've reigned in, but for the last 5 years I've been a reviewer for Model Railroad News.


While I’m not yet 40, I greatly enjoy the information and anecdotes presented here.  My particular modeling and nostalgia are rooted in my own “lived” experience - as most of yours doubtlessly are - but I harbor an intrigue and fascination for HO items that predate me.  This goes beyond the mere trains themselves: the nuances of design and craftsmanship, manufacturing compromises, shortcuts, and “marketed purpose” so often distill a “mere model” into an “artistic essence” of something larger.   There is humanity hidden in all of these things: playthings they are, at the end of the day. This was hopefully evident in the larger explorations I used to post on the old Tyco Forum, my own website… and in my reviews for MRN.  


I've seen chatter here on VintageHO concerning the forthcoming HO Collector magazine, (a sister publication to MRN and RMC, et al. under White River Productions).  I’m writing today to share that I've been given a co-editor role, assisting Tony Cook (who is the primary editor and driving force behind the magazine).   

Obviously, with HO having existed for some 80 years now, the metaphoric railyard of potential subjects is overwhelmingly vast, and should easily sustain a dedicated publication.   But while I have a deep and sincere interest in the matter, I'm afraid I'm going to need a lot of help from those much more knowledgeable than I am!


While I have an eye for detail and appreciation of nuance and design, I am relatively young and live in Frankfort KY - a figurative model RR wasteland.  The accessibility of models (in both proximity and budget) steers me most often to lower end and/or recent items not much older than I am.   I've been developing an interest for older HO... but acquisitions of anything older than say 1970 have had to be opportunistic and piecemeal.  Heck, even collecting noteworthy items made *after* 1970 (or 80, or 90) might bankrupt a person!   


I therefore find myself in the position where I want to research, collate, review, and share the histories and output of a great many legacy HO products and manufacturers:  but the information and examples at my personal, ready disposal are very limited to nil.   The effort to acquire is half of the fun, but to do so "quickly" is cost prohibitive... whereas doing so "opportunistically" takes forever and is fraught with distraction.  And my life is FILLED with distractions - unfortunately model railroading is neither my career or even 3rd job, oops.


And yet, acquiring a respectable collection exploring any one of the hobby’s thousands of facets is actually the easy part.   Because objective information and background on past subjects can be hard to find and even harder to verify, quantify, stitch, and present.   So much was made, and so much is out there... and yet so much information and history is lost… while what’s left is often obfuscated by time and opinion and sheer dumb innocence.  And more and more of this information ages out into the sky’s great railyard every day.


HO Collector could be the place to collate and narrate this history before it’s lost at the buzzer.  I can help with this yet I sadly find the easiest stuff for me to review with any comprehensive (let alone entertaining) authority, is the stuff that isn't as critical to preserve… or that I fully understand… yet.   


So, HO Collector may be rolling out with arguably more “modern” subjects - but only as a product of what we’re most familiar and comfortably able to cover as any sort of reference “authority”.   This is not meant to sleight the rich legacy of HO scale and its unappreciated or forgotten gems.   But we have to start somewhere, in hopes that more interest and information will begin coming to light and to us, and the rest of you as well.  


Our hope is that If we can get things published in an “official” format (such as exists these days), we can forge a reference that will be valued for years to come.  We’d rather get it right: that’s the promise of print versus fleeting electronic formats.


But I’m rambling so allow me to get back to the point:  We want HO Collector to be a success that doesn’t exist in a vacuum for our own amusement.  My life responsibilities preclude me from finding and following every individual potential wellspring of specific information, and this group is probably the best comprehensive source for “general random arcane knowledge” that I know.  So I’m hereby asking for your assistance with any information you might have, and perhaps to "loan" models as examples for review and photography when relevant needs arise.  Or to put us in touch with other folks who might be in a similar position to assist.  


We’re also open to ideas you have for topics to explore and share as we go forward.   The magazine cannot exist without an enthusiastic readership.  While we can’t possibly tailor a magazine to exclusively indulge every specific taste, the subject of “HO Collecting” is broad enough to offer something for all in due time.   


As to current needs, I can’t offer specifics at this time since things are still in flux and I don’t wish to promise what will or won’t see print.   At the moment we're trying to piece the histories and output of early Gilbert HO and Varney.   Revell is also on the horizon.   I believe a few of you may already be talking with HOC editor Tony Cook on those subjects.   Doubtless there are dozens of "boutique" lines from the earlier decades that merit coverage - which I probably don't even know about but you know or have in quantity ;)


To conclude this dissertation, I’m looking forward to this “co-editor” role in service of a hobby that I love, but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit to a bit of nervousness.  My job is to present a thorough, illuminative, and accurate presentation for any subject we might pursue, but I will never be a comprehensive expert.     


So please feel free to reach out with any information, ideas, resources, concerns, and commentary you have have to offer.  We all know how finicky Yahoo Groups can be, so direct email is probably best.  Regrettably I am overwhelmed with “life” and therefore not always the timeliest communicator - Tony Cook is usually far better than I am in that regard, so feel free to reach out to him as well! - but I will take comments and assistance to heart and will do what I can to make HO Collector something that we will all respect and enjoy.   


Thanks and Happy Rails to you,


-Tony Lucio

Co-editor, HO Collector Magazine

tlucio@...

goingincirclez@...


Group: vintageHO Message: 26215 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/3/2017
Subject: Re: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
And, a very Happy 2017 to you too, Tony.
 
Concerning your post as appears below, I first want to wish you the best of success in your new role as co-editor of HO COLLECTOR magazineBriefly, as you've already surmised, the general topic of collectable HO in the context of accumulating and assembling information concerning it is practically limitless, so you'll have no shortage of material to search for.  I notice in particular, that you're seeking information on "early Gilbert HO and Varney," with Revell being on the horizon. 
 
I'm including my reply here as opposed to your suggestion of writing you directly, as I feel my response may additionally be informative to the group.  As you had no way of knowing what has transpired related to other correspondence between the staff of HO COLLECTOR magazine and chosen member(s) of this Group, I would just like to enlighten you on some of this while trying to remain objective.  In early November of this past year, Editor Tony Cook reached out to me asking if I might be able to inform him about Varney history, specifically that of the Sol Kramer era; his subject line reading "Varney to Life-Like Information."  I replied to him affirmatively the following day, however, as I was unable to attend to his inquiry until another four days had elapsed, I apologized to him for my "tardiness," feeling that I may have held him up from meeting a publication deadline -- which, by your post, appears not to have been warranted if Varney material is still being sought after.  At that same time, I sent Mr. Cook a most comprehensive compilation of Sol Karmer's entire role in the history of Varney trains, even going back before his involvement with Gordon Varney to when he (Sol Kramer) began in the trade, and then some, to include his Life-Like trains after his Varney production. 
 
I need to tell you now, since you're reaching out to us at this time, that for reasons still unknown to me, I have never received so much as a "thank you" from Mr Cook for all my time and efforts in sending him my detailed outline of exactly how Sol Kramer fit into the Varney picture and exactly what he'd done at certain intervals of time and then some.  While I'm not writing this as a result of being sore, I am persuaded to express my extreme disappointed in not hearing a word of gratitude from Mr. Cook for the lengthy and informative text I sent him and would trust that you might not treat any of us so seemingly -- and apparently (unless there are extenuating circumstances not brought to my attention) shabily.  As I would not want any other members here to experience again the same inconsideration in non-response as I had after extending my good will and knowledge in attempting to assist a staff member of HO COLLECTOR magazine, I feel it's my duty to bring this to the attention of all whom may be concerned in hopes it's not repeated.  As I still have my text of that time sitting in my "Messages Sent" box, and as I hadn't received a "bounce" notice, I must assume my message was received just as my initial reply of intent to assist was seen to be received. 
 
I again wish you the best of luck in your association with HO COLLECTOR magazine, and hope you have a very long and prosperous period with the publication.  There's lots to be written about from this hobby -- and many of us still retain the pieces of its history.
 
Best regards,
 
Ray Wetzel           
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2017 9:35:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

Happy 2017!


Allow me to finally introduce myself: my name is Tony Lucio and I’ve lurked on VintageHO for a couple years now. I recognize a few names from other forums as well.  I used to have a web presence that I've reigned in, but for the last 5 years I've been a reviewer for Model Railroad News.


While I’m not yet 40, I greatly enjoy the information and anecdotes presented here.  My particular modeling and nostalgia are rooted in my own “lived” experience - as most of yours doubtlessly are - but I harbor an intrigue and fascination for HO items that predate me.  This goes beyond the mere trains themselves: the nuances of design and craftsmanship, manufacturing compromises, shortcuts, and “marketed purpose” so often distill a “mere model” into an “artistic essence” of something larger.   There is humanity hidden in all of these things: playthings they are, at the end of the day. This was hopefully evident in the larger explorations I used to post on the old Tyco Forum, my own website… and in my reviews for MRN.  


I've seen chatter here on VintageHO concerning the forthcoming HO Collector magazine, (a sister publication to MRN and RMC, et al. under White River Productions).  I’m writing today to share that I've been given a co-editor role, assisting Tony Cook (who is the primary editor and driving force behind the magazine).   

Obviously, with HO having existed for some 80 years now, the metaphoric railyard of potential subjects is overwhelmingly vast, and should easily sustain a dedicated publication.   But while I have a deep and sincere interest in the matter, I'm afraid I'm going to need a lot of help from those much more knowledgeable than I am!


While I have an eye for detail and appreciation of nuance and design, I am relatively young and live in Frankfort KY - a figurative model RR wasteland.  The accessibility of models (in both proximity and budget) steers me most often to lower end and/or recent items not much older than I am.   I've been developing an interest for older HO... but acquisitions of anything older than say 1970 have had to be opportunistic and piecemeal.  Heck, even collecting noteworthy items made *after* 1970 (or 80, or 90) might bankrupt a person!   


I therefore find myself in the position where I want to research, collate, review, and share the histories and output of a great many legacy HO products and manufacturers:  but the information and examples at my personal, ready disposal are very limited to nil.   The effort to acquire is half of the fun, but to do so "quickly" is cost prohibitive... whereas doing so "opportunistically" takes forever and is fraught with distraction.  And my life is FILLED with distractions - unfortunately model railroading is neither my career or even 3rd job, oops.


And yet, acquiring a respectable collection exploring any one of the hobby’s thousands of facets is actually the easy part.   Because objective information and background on past subjects can be hard to find and even harder to verify, quantify, stitch, and present.   So much was made, and so much is out there... and yet so much information and history is lost… while what’s left is often obfuscated by time and opinion and sheer dumb innocence.  And more and more of this information ages out into the sky’s great railyard every day.


HO Collector could be the place to collate and narrate this history before it’s lost at the buzzer.  I can help with this yet I sadly find the easiest stuff for me to review with any comprehensive (let alone entertaining) authority, is the stuff that isn't as critical to preserve… or that I fully understand… yet.   


So, HO Collector may be rolling out with arguably more “modern” subjects - but only as a product of what we’re most familiar and comfortably able to cover as any sort of reference “authority”.   This is not meant to sleight the rich legacy of HO scale and its unappreciated or forgotten gems.   But we have to start somewhere, in hopes that more interest and information will begin coming to light and to us, and the rest of you as well.  


Our hope is that If we can get things published in an “official” format (such as exists these days), we can forge a reference that will be valued for years to come.  We’d rather get it right: that’s the promise of print versus fleeting electronic formats.


But I’m rambling so allow me to get back to the point:  We want HO Collector to be a success that doesn’t exist in a vacuum for our own amusement.  My life responsibilities preclude me from finding and following every individual potential wellspring of specific information, and this group is probably the best comprehensive source for “general random arcane knowledge” that I know.  So I’m hereby asking for your assistance with any information you might have, and perhaps to "loan" models as examples for review and photography when relevant needs arise.  Or to put us in touch with other folks who might be in a similar position to assist.  


We’re also open to ideas you have for topics to explore and share as we go forward.   The magazine cannot exist without an enthusiastic readership.  While we can’t possibly tailor a magazine to exclusively indulge every specific taste, the subject of “HO Collecting” is broad enough to offer something for all in due time.   


As to current needs, I can’t offer specifics at this time since things are still in flux and I don’t wish to promise what will or won’t see print.   At the moment we're trying to piece the histories and output of early Gilbert HO and Varney.   Revell is also on the horizon.   I believe a few of you may already be talking with HOC editor Tony Cook on those subjects.   Doubtless there are dozens of "boutique" lines from the earlier decades that merit coverage - which I probably don't even know about but you know or have in quantity ;)


To conclude this dissertation, I’m looking forward to this “co-editor” role in service of a hobby that I love, but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit to a bit of nervousness.  My job is to present a thorough, illuminative, and accurate presentation for any subject we might pursue, but I will never be a comprehensive expert.     


So please feel free to reach out with any information, ideas, resources, concerns, and commentary you have have to offer.  We all know how finicky Yahoo Groups can be, so direct email is probably best.  Regrettably I am overwhelmed with “life” and therefore not always the timeliest communicator - Tony Cook is usually far better than I am in that regard, so feel free to reach out to him as well! - but I will take comments and assistance to heart and will do what I can to make HO Collector something that we will all respect and enjoy.   


Thanks and Happy Rails to you,


-Tony Lucio

Co-editor, HO Collector Magazine

tlucio@...

goingincirclez@...


 
Group: vintageHO Message: 26216 From: Jim Waterman Date: 1/4/2017
Subject: Re: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
Yes, if you are appreciative, you'll find a lot of what you are looking
for in the history of vintage HO right here

Good luck Tony

Jim
Group: vintageHO Message: 26217 From: goingincirclez76 Date: 1/4/2017
Subject: Re: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
Hi Ray,

Thanks for taking the time to reply and share your concerns.   

Let me start by saying that while I can't speak "personally" for Tony Cook, I am both surprised / and not surprised (?) at the same time.   What does not surprise me is a delay in response: in the 5 years I've been working with and for Mr. Cook, I've come to expect that a things are normally hectic on his end, and several times a year are especially so. So it's no longer "alarming" when I don't hear feedback for two to three weeks at a time.    Now on one hand seems odd given his editorial role... but on the other, I've come to accept that he fully edits several websites and one magazine (MRN), co-edits a larger magazine (RMC), is launching a third (HOC)... plus travel and family on his end...  etc.

Now that doesn't excuse the lack of response for your effort, which gets to what DOES surprise me.  90% of the time he always follows up and as I understand it, he has a pretty good reputation for that sort of thing throughout the industry. 

That said, nobody's perfect.  In that other 10% of the time, I've occasionally been a little frustrated in waiting myself.   But he is always gracious and apologetic when I have to "nag" him.    At this point I attribute it to sheer busy-ness, and since I personally seem to have even more difficulty on my end at times (being a father and supporting 24/7 IT for my career) I figure I shouldn't give him too much flak.  

But I do sympathize with your frustration.   I'm sorry you weren't thanked more promptly. 

A few weeks ago White River's printer abruptly shifted proof deadlines, and suddenly the bulk of final submissions became due 10 days sooner, while other titles moved to a rotating schedule.  So that probably caused pending lines to fall through the cracks while priorities were scrambled.  In the interim, I'd been dealing with the fallout of a move to a new home and my own ability to assist had been greatly reduced (astute readers might have noticed I've not directly reviewed as much in MRN lately).

As for what you provided, Tony C. shared it with me a while back.  I found your into utterly fascinating and it actually left me wanting more, even as it overwhelmed me with "where to begin with intent to conclude" as it were.   (That was such a tumultuous era in HO's development, and the paths of many manufacturers and brands cross.  I've often wondered what Sol Kramer's relationship to the Tylers was... considering how Mantua imported the "HOTCo" line which was later became an AHM staple... then developed new molds for the Tyco line in Hong Kong, some of which heavily inspired models sold by other manufacturers including LifeLike.   The cross-pollination in the hobby was prolific!)    

The reason you didn't hear from me personally, is that I didn't want to overstep or confuse any discussions you might have been having since then.   As the deadline adjustments have us trying to figure out what we can present "with authority" by press time things are still very much in flux right now.   Rest assured your information is valuable and definitely needs to see the light of print with credit!  But we're trying to figure out what the priorities are and what else is needed.  

To that end, readership expectations have shifted greatly in recent years, thanks to the internet becoming such a visual, primary medium.   Very few readers - especially where periodicals are concerned - wish to consume mere walls of text.   While your information is solid, we are then faced with the conundrum of what to run with it, visually.  Which models?   Do we have them?   In good shape?   Where can we get them?   In addition to models, what about promotional materials / flyers / ads / catalogs / etc?   Any arcane photos of the personalities and facilities involved?   Do we have rights to that material?    Availability of this supplemental material can sometimes make or break the prospects of an article.   We're on a shoestring budget which does not help.  In fact, we're not even being paid yet... it's a passion project until its (hopeful) success can justify a proper budget from White River.   So there are definitely going to be some growing pains. 

Back when my first submissions as a would-be writer were finally approved, I never understood why it took over a year in some cases for those shiny pending bylines to finally appear.   Now I know, and I guess I'm even part of the problem now, oops.

I'll ask Tony Cook if he meant to follow up with you directly and got sidetracked.  Please don't hesitate to address him directly if you prefer.  

Thanks again for your time and assistance, Ray.   I can personally assure you it's in the pipeline for followup.  

-Tony Lucio



Group: vintageHO Message: 26218 From: goingincirclez76 Date: 1/4/2017
Subject: Re: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
Well, seems I didn't realize that Yahoo apparently frowns upon sharing alternate email addresses in a Groups post.  Don't understand why they got stripped otherwise?    

I apologize for the cutoff and confusion.   For anyone who wishes to reach me, the preferred addresses to use are:

tlucio  "at"  hotraincollector "dot" com

or 

goingincirclez  "at"  gmail "dot" com


Apologies and thanks again...

-Tony L.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26219 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Re: MILW Hiawatha
Did anyone here win the "HO scale Rivarossi Milwaukee Road RR Hiawatha 4-6-4 hudson steam locomotive" (eBay # 401249573506) on eBay last night that closed at 7:30 PM PST, @ $222.50 ?  I had my eye on it, although I didn't need it, but when I followed it I wasn't surprised at its closing price.
 
Ray W.  
Group: vintageHO Message: 26220 From: louis niederlander Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group

I tried again with no luck.

Suggestions?

Regards,

Louis

From: eriepacific@... [vintageHO]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016, 2:28 PM
Subject: [vintageHO] Joining the GandD Yahoo group
To: eriepacific@... [vintageHO]


I had mentioned I would get back to this group if anything new came up regarding difficulties for some wanting to join the GandD Yahoo group (Gorre & Daphetid).

 

It seems that the list owner, Pat Turner, is back paying attention to it and says he has recently approved some new members.

 

So if you need to try again, please do.

 

He also has a Facebook presence.  I think you go to “Gorre & Daphetid” and from there you can click on photos and other things.  Some people love the idea of Facebook, some hate it.  But there it is.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 


Group: vintageHO Message: 26221 From: trainliker Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group

All I can do is announce to the GandD group that somebody still doesn’t seem to be getting a response.  The list owner hadn’t been watching for awhile which explains some past difficulties.  Perhaps not watching again.  Don’t know.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: louis niederlander l_niederlander@... [vintageHO]
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 3:24 PM
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Joining the GandD Yahoo group

 

 

I tried again with no luck.

Suggestions?

Regards,

Louis

From: eriepacific@... [vintageHO]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016, 2:28 PM
Subject: [vintageHO] Joining the GandD Yahoo group
To: eriepacific@... [vintageHO]

I had mentioned I would get back to this group if anything new came up regarding difficulties for some wanting to join the GandD Yahoo group (Gorre & Daphetid).

 

It seems that the list owner, Pat Turner, is back paying attention to it and says he has recently approved some new members.

 

So if you need to try again, please do.

 

He also has a Facebook presence.  I think you go to “Gorre & Daphetid” and from there you can click on photos and other things.  Some people love the idea of Facebook, some hate it.  But there it is.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

 

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Group: vintageHO Message: 26222 From: louis niederlander Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group [1 Attachment]

Thank you very much.
Louis

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From: louis niederlander l_niederlander@... [vintageHO]
Sent: Monday, January 9, 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: [vintageHO] Joining the GandD Yahoo group [1 Attachment]
To: louis niederlander l_niederlander@... [vintageHO]

[Attachment(s) from ckinzer@... included below]

All I can do is announce to the GandD group that somebody still doesn’t seem to be getting a response.  The list owner hadn’t been watching for awhile which explains some past difficulties.  Perhaps not watching again.  Don’t know.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: louis niederlander l_niederlander@... [vintageHO]
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 3:24 PM
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Joining the GandD Yahoo group

 

 

I tried again with no luck.

Suggestions?

Regards,

Louis

From: eriepacific@... [vintageHO]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016, 2:28 PM
Subject: [vintageHO] Joining the GandD Yahoo group
To: eriepacific@... [vintageHO]

I had mentioned I would get back to this group if anything new came up regarding difficulties for some wanting to join the GandD Yahoo group (Gorre & Daphetid).

 

It seems that the list owner, Pat Turner, is back paying attention to it and says he has recently approved some new members.

 

So if you need to try again, please do.

 

He also has a Facebook presence.  I think you go to “Gorre & Daphetid” and from there you can click on photos and other things.  Some people love the idea of Facebook, some hate it.  But there it is.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

Group: vintageHO Message: 26223 From: Doug Harris Date: 1/9/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
On 10/01/2017 12:24, louis niederlander l_niederlander@...
[vintageHO] wrote:
> I tried again with no luck.
> Suggestions?
> Louis

Me too..

With this sort of problem, is the group worth worrying about? They do
seem to have a large number of members though..

--
Cheers.

Doug Harris
Cambridge, New Zealand
Group: vintageHO Message: 26224 From: Sean Naylor Date: 1/10/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
I tried again as well.. same story, no response. 
 
Sincerely,

Sean






From: "Doug Harris digbee@... [vintageHO]" <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Joining the GandD Yahoo group

 
On 10/01/2017 12:24, louis niederlander l_niederlander@...
[vintageHO] wrote:
> I tried again with no luck.
> Suggestions?
> Louis

Me too..

With this sort of problem, is the group worth worrying about? They do
seem to have a large number of members though..

--
Cheers.

Doug Harris
Cambridge, New Zealand



Group: vintageHO Message: 26225 From: Larry Date: 1/10/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
I was a member for a while. I asked one question and found that being a member did not mean they wanted my input.
They seem happy enough without me.
The feeling is mutual.
Larry Miller III



From: "Sean Naylor a69mustang4me@... [vintageHO]" <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
To: "vintageHO@yahoogroups.com" <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Joining the GandD Yahoo group



I tried again as well.. same story, no response. 
 
Sincerely,

Sean






From: "Doug Harris digbee@... [vintageHO]" <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Joining the GandD Yahoo group

 
On 10/01/2017 12:24, louis niederlander l_niederlander@...
[vintageHO] wrote:
> I tried again with no luck.
> Suggestions?
> Louis

Me too..

With this sort of problem, is the group worth worrying about? They do
seem to have a large number of members though..

--
Cheers.

Doug Harris
Cambridge, New Zealand








Group: vintageHO Message: 26226 From: lennardray Date: 1/10/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
Lennard Stewart wrote:

If Pat Turner is the Owner and only Admin then good luck. He had
Turner Model Works and when he folded up left a bunch of very unhappy
customers because of Merchandise they paid for but never got and he
would not answer emails. Nor did he return their money. He might go
for weeks and not check his email.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26227 From: Doug Harris Date: 1/10/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
On 11/01/2017 16:55, lennard@... [vintageHO] wrote:
> Lennard Stewart wrote:
>
> If Pat Turner is the Owner and only Admin then good luck. He had
> Turner Model Works and when he folded up left a bunch of very unhappy
> customers because of Merchandise they paid for but never got and he
> would not answer emails. Nor did he return their money. He might go
> for weeks and not check his email.

Which is little use to us, as applications expire after 14 days.

How is it possible that a group can be managed in such a manner?

Perhaps we could start a new group??

--
Cheers.

Doug Harris
Cambridge, New Zealand
Group: vintageHO Message: 26228 From: leetrains Date: 1/11/2017
Subject: Re: Joining the GandD Yahoo group
Agreed
Group: vintageHO Message: 26229 From: wseehornjr Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Homemade repair parts?
Prices are getting to a point where it's becoming feasible to make your own repair parts. New Egg has the "X-Y-Z printing da Vinci Jr. 1.0 FFF (Fused Filament Fabrication) PLA Single Nozzle 3D Printer" on special today for $189 including shipping. I don't know about the quality of the printout, but it might be good enough to restore some items to operation.

Willard


Group: vintageHO Message: 26230 From: luvprr2003 Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
If the repair parts are not available anywhere I can see maybe spending $189 for a fabrication system, but I can buy quite a few repair parts for ordinary stuff otherwise. But hey, it's cool to have the tools necessary for possible future problems, right? At least that's what I tell the wife.
Art
Group: vintageHO Message: 26231 From: damills18055 Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
There is no doubt that 3D printer prices are dropping as they become cheaper and more plentiful. The future will be that we will "print" our own parts for repair. However, the material must be of a quality that can withstand whatever job it is meant to handle. That might be the only drawback in using these miracle machines for everything.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26232 From: John Hagen Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?

$189. Is a lot for one repair part but for a system that can be used many times over for others parts and even prototyping other parts it is really rather cheap. The only question is when does one buy such an animal. With prices down to this the answer is when you need it. The longer before one buys the lower price and/or the better the technology becomes.

Even if one does have this tool, a readily available replacement part that costs up to maybe $40 - $50 will still probably be purchased.

John Hagen

 

From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 10:17 AM
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Homemade repair parts?

 

 

If the repair parts are not available anywhere I can see maybe spending $189 for a fabrication system, but I can buy quite a few repair parts for ordinary stuff otherwise. But hey, it's cool to have the tools necessary for possible future problems, right? At least that's what I tell the wife.

Art

Group: vintageHO Message: 26233 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Just in the last couple of days, II saw a demo of a new material .

It is another type of 3d print filament.

A thin-walled honeycomb part made of PLA was driven over by a car and reduced to fragments. Then the same design in the new stuff was driven over..... It bounced back into shape.

From what I've seen of the various filaments now available, really good material is available.


Mike Bauers
Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:41 AM, "donald.mills@... [vintageHO]" <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There is no doubt that 3D printer prices are dropping as they become cheaper and more plentiful. The future will be that we will "print" our own parts for repair. However, the material must be of a quality that can withstand whatever job it is meant to handle. That might be the only drawback in using these miracle machines for everything.

Group: vintageHO Message: 26234 From: damills18055 Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Imagine the Plasticville parts alone one could make with this method. I'm sure Bachmann would not be happy though.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26235 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
On 1/28/2017 11:50 AM, donald.mills@... [vintageHO] wrote:
>
>
> Imagine the Plasticville parts alone one could make with this method.
> I'm sure Bachmann would not be happy though.

There was a clinic at the 2015 National Narrow Gauge convention here
in Houston that I attended on 3D printing. The clinician worked in the
3D printing industry so was extremely knowledgeable on the subject.
Long story short, the machines available in a price range for the
average modeler probably won't have the fine resolution needed for tiny
detail parts. He showed us parts made on a low cost machine and the same
parts made on a half-million dollar machine. The difference was an order
of magnitude in quality.
The technology is increasing rapidly, for sure. But given what I've
seen up to this point I don't think it's ready to be churning out HO
scale queenposts, turnbuckles and brake wheels.Larger items, like
building walls or freight car sides, OK; just not the tiny stuff, yet.

Rick Jones
Group: vintageHO Message: 26236 From: Doug Harris Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
On 29/01/2017 12:15, Rick Jones r.t.jones@... [vintageHO] wrote:
> On 1/28/2017 11:50 AM, donald.mills@... [vintageHO] wrote:
But given what I've seen up to this
> point I don't think it's ready to be churning out HO scale
> queenposts, turnbuckles and brake wheels.Larger items, like building
> walls or freight car sides, OK; just not the tiny stuff, yet.
> Rick Jones

Been wondering about the possibilities of this medium for a while - I
need to make/buy/obtain somehow quite a number of coal hoppers.

What's the possibility of doing it using a printer - say for the bodies
only?

--
Cheers.

Doug Harris
Cambridge, New Zealand
Group: vintageHO Message: 26237 From: nvrr49 Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
Doug, funny you ask.  I have been 3D printing for about four years now, using both home filament printers and Shapeways.  For a car body, you really need either a really high end liquid resin printer or use someone like Shapeways.  The hold up is the design work, but leaving that alone.  I had a request to design an HO scale passenger car this week.  Basically, a 60' HO passenger car was going to cost $125, just for the shell.  That is in FUD from Shapeways, but you would not want anything less.  That did not include paying the designer.  Also, on a large detailed model, there are usually mistakes in the first design, so more than likely, one would have to do a couple prints to get a correct model.  

Structures are another thing, the filament printers can be used for some of them.

Kent Hurley
nvrr49.blogspot.com


---In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, <digbee@...> wrote :

On 29/01/2017 12:15, Rick Jones r.t.jones@... [vintageHO] wrote:
> On 1/28/2017 11:50 AM, donald.mills@... [vintageHO] wrote:
But given what I've seen up to this
> point I don't think it's ready to be churning out HO scale
> queenposts, turnbuckles and brake wheels.Larger items, like building
> walls or freight car sides, OK; just not the tiny stuff, yet.
> Rick Jones

Been wondering about the possibilities of this medium for a while - I
need to make/buy/obtain somehow quite a number of coal hoppers.

What's the possibility of doing it using a printer - say for the bodies
only?

--
Cheers.

Doug Harris
Cambridge, New Zealand
Group: vintageHO Message: 26238 From: Doug Harris Date: 1/28/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
On 29/01/2017 16:33, nvrr49@... [vintageHO] wrote:
> Doug, funny you ask. I have been 3D printing for about four years
> now, using both home filament printers and Shapeways. For a car body,
> you really need either a really high end liquid resin printer or use
> someone like Shapeways. The hold up is the design work, but leaving
> that alone. I had a request to design an HO scale passenger car this
> week. Basically, a 60' HO passenger car was going to cost $125, just
> for the shell. That is in FUD from Shapeways, but you would not want
> anything less. That did not include paying the designer. Also, on a
> large detailed model, there are usually mistakes in the first design,
> so more than likely, one would have to do a couple prints to get a
> correct model.
> Structures are another thing, the filament printers can be used for
> some of them.
> Kent Hurley nvrr49.blogspot.com

Thanks for the prompt reply Kent. Are you up early or late??

Sounds like a job for a styrene production line to me!

--
Cheers.

Doug Harris
Cambridge, New Zealand
Group: vintageHO Message: 26239 From: Ken Starcher Date: 1/29/2017
Subject: Re: Homemade repair parts?
I have a TAZ 5 printer, large format. What I've found is that with the smallest available nozzle/filament, that there are still layers showing that usually need chemical 'smoothing' or a filler coat of paint. The liquid printers are much better at this. Sometimes just a light sanding is enough. It has been fine for items that are not too visible, and especially for temp parts and 'test the concept' parts.

For me, the design is the hard part. If anyone wants something printed at whatever quality my lack of expertise and equipment can produce, I'd be willing to try my hand at it at no cost except shipping. No promises and I may not accept your project depending on circumstances at the time. I cannot do any design work, so you'll have to provide that. I may do some tweaking, usually needed with all of my stuff.


Ken A Starcher Cuyahoga Falls OH 44221

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On Sat, 1/28/17, wseehorn@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [vintageHO] Homemade repair parts?
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 28, 2017, 10:18 AM


 









Prices are getting to a point where it's
becoming feasible
to make your own repair parts. New Egg has
the "X-Y-Z
printing da Vinci Jr. 1.0 FFF (Fused Filament Fabrication)
PLA Single Nozzle 3D Printer" on special today for $189
including shipping. I don't know about the quality of
the printout, but it might be good enough to restore some
items to operation.

Willard












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Group: vintageHO Message: 26240 From: Ed Weldon Date: 1/30/2017
Subject: 3d printing for model railroading
Recent posts highlight the limits of 3d printing for model railroaders.
Scale is important. Factor in the exponential cost increase based on
area, height and material mass. The ratio of O scale to HO is 1.81.
Squared for area it is 3.28. Cubed for volume it is 5.93. Material
costs are held down by computer based hollowing out of the volume of a
large print. But machine cycle time and machine size are closely
related to the square and cube functions. Compare that with the
difference in cost between our HO and O scale craftsman kits. As one
might expect the main factor in the extra cost is material costs. Most
other costs besides shipping and packaging remain about the same between
scales.

Practical cost limits for 3d printed model train stuff are reached in
HO scale. Above that you are confined to small details or casting
masters in 3d metal. Modeling in 3d on the computer is a big time
commitment and is not yet plug and play regardless of the printing
platform. I know of nobody in the model train world who is selling the
code to print even common multiple models like scenery details. You can
buy sprues of some from Shapeways like the HO milk cans I just bought.
But even that source is limited.

N and Z scale are better placed for 3d printing. Those scaling factors
I gave above work down the scales where major cost factors have more to
do with labor involved in making small stuff and material and machine
costs take a second to sales margins and labor savings.

I think scanning technology and the software needed to make for plug and
play applications will change the game. But how soon? As far as I know
that stuff remains in the realm of costly industrial and professional
applications. Or a new hobby to take the place of model railroading if
that's your inclination.

One important factor for us will be ease of scaling down a scan of a
large object to a small size. Last time I touched this scanning
technology the only way to do that was to work within the actual 3d
modeling software. But imagine being able to scale down a scanned 1:18
or 1:25 scale model to HO or N scale. Especially for us old guys who
have physical limits for working directly in small scales.
Ed Weldon
Group: vintageHO Message: 26241 From: Jim Waterman Date: 1/31/2017
Subject: Re: 3d printing for model railroading
Ed - you're on point, but things are moving fast.

Here's an free app that will build you a 3D model just from a bunch of
photos taken by your smartphone

http://www.123dapp.com/catch

I've seen the results of this and they are pretty good. It really
depends on your ability to take a lot of photos from every angle and upload.

Some of the 3d printers have the ability to change the scale of the
model at the printer software just before printing so you don't have to
go back to the 3D design software.

Resolution of the plastic printers is still a little rough for the
smaller scales, but that is improving fast.

I would really discern that if one is looking at some of the cheaper
printers, although there is a secondary market making finer resolution
printing heads that can be retrofit to existing machines (typically what
I would call the 'open systems' market, where it really helps to have
some technical chops to do the mods and upgrade the machine control
software).

Our local library has a couple of 'MakerBots' (3D printers) running
right in the library. After sitting through a one hour orientation, you
become 'certified' to use them. They charge $1/hr and that includes the
material in the color of your choice. They have smart technical staff to
help with both the 3d models as well as the printing. I have made
several very nice parts in Standard Gauge using their machines. At that
price, the parts cost me under $4 each. You can reserve a machine for a
4 hour stretch, which sometimes is not enough for larger parts, probably
OK for HO.

There are also several repositories for models made by others that you
can reuse, some are for sale, others are free.
And there are MR's out there that will build you a model for a fee,
sometimes nominal cost.

So it's easy to get started without buying a machine, learning 3D
software, etc. Just that it's sometimes not cheap. Yet.

Jim Waterman
Group: vintageHO Message: 26242 From: eriepacific@... Date: 1/31/2017
Subject: Re: 3d printing for model railroading
All's I can say is -- Watch Out Bachmann ! (< g > LOL < g
>)
.
 
Ray Wetzel
 
 
In a message dated 1/31/2017 6:43:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

Ed - you're on point, but things are moving fast.

Here's an free app that will build you a 3D model just from a bunch of
photos taken by your smartphone

http://www.123dapp.com/catch

I've seen the results of this and they are pretty good. It really
depends on your ability to take a lot of photos from every angle and upload.

Some of the 3d printers have the ability to change the scale of the
model at the printer software just before printing so you don't have to
go back to the 3D design software.

Resolution of the plastic printers is still a little rough for the
smaller scales, but that is improving fast.

I would really discern that if one is looking at some of the cheaper
printers, although there is a secondary market making finer resolution
printing heads that can be retrofit to existing machines (typically what
I would call the 'open systems' market, where it really helps to have
some technical chops to do the mods and upgrade the machine control
software).

Our local library has a couple of 'MakerBots' (3D printers) running
right in the library. After sitting through a one hour orientation, you
become 'certified' to use them. They charge $1/hr and that includes the
material in the color of your choice. They have smart technical staff to
help with both the 3d models as well as the printing. I have made
several very nice parts in Standard Gauge using their machines. At that
price, the parts cost me under $4 each. You can reserve a machine for a
4 hour stretch, which sometimes is not enough for larger parts, probably
OK for HO.

There are also several repositories for models made by others that you
can reuse, some are for sale, others are free.
And there are MR's out there that will build you a model for a fee,
sometimes nominal cost.

So it's easy to get started without buying a machine, learning 3D
software, etc. Just that it's sometimes not cheap. Yet.

Jim Waterman

 
Group: vintageHO Message: 26243 From: Ed Weldon Date: 1/31/2017
Subject: Re: 3d printing for model railroading
Jim - Interesting information you write. I've been watching for 4
years. Still watching. I buy a good bit of stuff through Shapeways.
I've yet to learn of any specific source that offers a sales list of
specific 3d computer model files in one of the standard transferable
formats. I don't want to invest time into learning and becoming
reasonably proficient in any software for 3d modeling until I know I
will be able to use it. I've been down the training road already 3
times in the last 20 years retaining little more than the general
concepts of 3d model building and precious little of the various command
functions. After once training on a sophisticated scanner that I can no
longer access I can tell you that scanning is just the beginning of a
good printer model. A couple of years ago I thought about buying enough
software and equipment and spending time creating a line of 3d printed
HO scale parts. A 100 year old Channon hardware catalog is full of
inspiring 3d modeling subjects. But it just didn't pay.
The idea of building a 3 axis precision mechanical platform still
appeals to me. Precision requires weight and weight needs big stepper
or servo motors that are pricey. I've started gathering the necessary
pieces, some from unusual sources. The idea of high quality stand-alone
print heads you mention is interesting. I think interchangeable heads
on the vertical axis is a possibility.
Most cheap 3d printers today put the vertical and one horizontal axis on
a gantry frame that moves on the other horizontal axis. This setup is
fine for lasers, 3d printers and measurement tools which exert minimal
forces on the workpiece. It works poorly if mechanical machining forces
act on a workpiece. If you want both types in one machine capable of
mounting interchangeable fabricating heads while avoiding comprises in
accuracy and /or speed substantial motors and leadscrews or belts are
required. I'd accept sacrificing speed in the non contact processes in
hopes of solving the time issues by having them able run without me
having to watch and fiddle with them.
Hopefully a high quality print head will allow lower material feeds.
And perhaps with some searching I can find afford motors, controllers
and leadscrews. I have a lot of the other needed mechanical stuff
stored away and it represents a minimal investment. Will it happen? I
don't know.
I'm watching scanner developments. And waiting. For me fooling around
with software that doesn't work right is not fun. And hobbies are
suppose to be fun, especially when one's physical abilities are going
down with age and time is looking very valuable.
Ed Weldon
Group: vintageHO Message: 26244 From: denverrails Date: 2/1/2017
Subject: Walthers HO 70' Executive Car kit

My model RR Club received a donation, some items were wrapped in pages from the 1947 Denver Post! One item is a Walthers kit as shown above. It has the basic shell, floor, sides, roof, decals and plans but is missing the underbody detail parts. The kit also contains one 4 wheel sprung truck.


Before I offer this on eBay, I thought I'd offer this to the  List for $5.00 plus shipping


We also received an original Varney diesel and a Mantua 4-6-2, both in original unpainted condition. I can send pictures if anyone is interested.


Thanks!! 


Wally 

Group: vintageHO Message: 26245 From: wilmeaux Date: 2/1/2017
Subject: Re: Walthers HO 70' Executive Car kit
Wally,
 
I would like all three items. If still available, let me know the FOB price mailed to 95437.
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Anderson
 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 7:48 AM
Subject: [vintageHO] Walthers HO 70' Executive Car kit
 
 

My model RR Club received a donation, some items were wrapped in pages from the 1947 Denver Post! One item is a Walthers kit as shown above. It has the basic shell, floor, sides, roof, decals and plans but is missing the underbody detail parts. The kit also contains one 4 wheel sprung truck.


Before I offer this on eBay, I thought I'd offer this to the  List for $5.00 plus shipping


We also received an original Varney diesel and a Mantua 4-6-2, both in original unpainted condition. I can send pictures if anyone is interested.


Thanks!!


Wally

Group: vintageHO Message: 26246 From: oklacnw Date: 2/1/2017
Subject: Re: 3 D printing
Received Micro-Marts latest catalog yesterday & they have 5 3-D printers listed with various filament types. Price on one is not bad.
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Al E.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26247 From: trainliker Date: 2/1/2017
Subject: Re: 3 D printing

Yes.  I saw that also.  Far more than they have offered in the past (and for that matter, many, many new tools showed in that catalog).  Some conflate the notion of a high quality part with a low price printer.  I don’t think that’s very accurate.

 

For somebody wanting to dabble, see if there is a local “maker space” that has one.  Those tend to be friendly places with people with surprising knowledge hanging around.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: oklacnw@... [vintageHO]
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:02 PM
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Cc: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vintageHO] 3 D printing

 

 

Received Micro-Marts latest catalog yesterday & they have 5 3-D printers listed with various filament types. Price on one is not bad.
--
Al E.

 

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Group: vintageHO Message: 26248 From: nvrr49 Date: 2/1/2017
Subject: Re: 3 D printing
The MicroMark selection of printers is interesting.  Most of the major brands don't wholesale their products, so only the Afinia and the Dremel are ones I have ever seen rated or reviewed.  The Afiniabot Prusa i3 is really just a knock off of the Original Prusa i3 mk2.  I would certainly pay more and buy from Josef Prusa before I would buy the knock off from MicroMark.  

The MicroMark descriptions leave a lot be be desired, as they leave out a lot of the specification one should want to know before buying a printer.  Just my two cents. I have two Afinia printers, and H479 and an H480, plus an M3D Micro.

I also have a 3d pen, similar to the one MicroMark shows.  

In general, you are not going to make fine detail parts with a filament printer, that said, there are thousands of things one can make for your model railroad.  The key is learning to design the items.  

Kent in KC
nvrr49.blogspot.com
Group: vintageHO Message: 26249 From: Dennis Thompson Date: 2/11/2017
Subject: 1st Issue of HOCollector Magazine received 2 days ago,
Hi All:
Just received the first, Premiere Issue of HOCollector Magazine. Thought
I'd give my first impressions:

First, after being through a couple major publication efforts in my own
world, I pay attention to book/magazine mechanicals. Meaning paper
used, print, bindings, etc. So the magazine arrived in it's protective
plastic sleeve, which I appreciate, and when pulling it out I
immediately noticed its, "heft," in terms of substantial feel. Pages
are nice, heavy stock. Cover material seems almost lighter, but still
adequate weight. Magazine length is 48 pages counting both covers.
Attractive style, printing, photo reproduction and layout. Has letters
to the editors, - good. One article is on PFM's SD45. Nice article,
and lengthy enough one did not feel like they skimped on coverage. This
is important, as I often see magazines touting an attractive subject,
only to later find a 2 page, abbreviated article that left much of the
story still to be told.

Another rather large article is, "Railbox Models, Part One: ACF." This
seems to be thorough coverage again, thank you, although Railbox cars
have never interested me. (I got my first ever Central Valley box car
kit about 1957, so I'm really stuck back in vintage/vintage.) This is
OK, as there needs to be appeal over a rather wide period of model
railroad history and years, as well as subjects.

Other articles are Bowser Power for Tyco's Century and Inside Bachmann's
Operating Caboose. A good looking article on Lindberg is still waiting
for my attention and my next reading session.

All in all, I like this new magazine. I noticed right away in the PFM
article that while the main subject seemed well covered, a lot of very
interesting, (at least to me), associated information was included, a
lot of it new to me.

Nice job folks; glad I subscribed.

Dennis Thompson
Odessa/Ritzville, E WA
Group: vintageHO Message: 26250 From: trainliker Date: 2/11/2017
Subject: Re: 1st Issue of HOCollector Magazine received 2 days ago,

Yeah.  I got mine a few days ago and had a similar reaction.  Nice effort, serious research.  Maybe even exhaustive research in some cases.

 

To me, “vintage” is a bit earlier than every article in this issue.  It seems a little more like it is perhaps mostly covering a period matching somebody’s personal initial immersion into the hobby.  But I will keep my fingers crossed for future issues going a little further back now and again at least.

 

I hope to see things about the start of outfits like Varney and Walthers and smaller ones.  (I have a Walthers passenger car kit with the inspection slip they used to have signed by #1, and that’s William K. Walthers himself.  Now THAT’s vintage to me.)

 

And perhaps how a typical layout might have been constructed, and using what supplies, decade by decade or something.

 

Charles E. “Chuck” Kinzer

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dennis Thompson dbtrail@... [vintageHO]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:44 PM
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintageHO] 1st Issue of HOCollector Magazine received 2 days ago,

 

 

Hi All:
Just received the first, Premiere Issue of HOCollector Magazine. Thought
I'd give my first impressions:

First, after being through a couple major publication efforts in my own
world, I pay attention to book/magazine mechanicals. Meaning paper
used, print, bindings, etc. So the magazine arrived in it's protective
plastic sleeve, which I appreciate, and when pulling it out I
immediately noticed its, "heft," in terms of substantial feel. Pages
are nice, heavy stock. Cover material seems almost lighter, but still
adequate weight. Magazine length is 48 pages counting both covers.
Attractive style, printing, photo reproduction and layout. Has letters
to the editors, - good. One article is on PFM's SD45. Nice article,
and lengthy enough one did not feel like they skimped on coverage. This
is important, as I often see magazines touting an attractive subject,
only to later find a 2 page, abbreviated article that left much of the
story still to be told.

Another rather large article is, "Railbox Models, Part One: ACF." This
seems to be thorough coverage again, thank you, although Railbox cars
have never interested me. (I got my first ever Central Valley box car
kit about 1957, so I'm really stuck back in vintage/vintage.) This is
OK, as there needs to be appeal over a rather wide period of model
railroad history and years, as well as subjects.

Other articles are Bowser Power for Tyco's Century and Inside Bachmann's
Operating Caboose. A good looking article on Lindberg is still waiting
for my attention and my next reading session.

All in all, I like this new magazine. I noticed right away in the PFM
article that while the main subject seemed well covered, a lot of very
interesting, (at least to me), associated information was included, a
lot of it new to me.

Nice job folks; glad I subscribed.

Dennis Thompson
Odessa/Ritzville, E WA

 

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Group: vintageHO Message: 26251 From: slim_guage_guy Date: 2/12/2017
Subject: Re: Greetings from HO Collector Magazine
Just purchased a subscription for my father Tony, can't wait to see it when he's done.
Group: vintageHO Message: 26252 From: trainliker Date: 2/15/2017
Subject: Gorre & Daphetid site back up as gdlines.org
I think the GandD Yahoo group announcement below may interest many on the vintageHO group.

After a lot of work, there is now a gdlines.org site (replaces the former gdlines.com site which had been down since 2014 and only available in a frozen form at archive.org a.k.a. "the wayback machine").  At gdlines.org you can see the largest assemblage of Gorre & Daphetid photos and and related information available anywhere.

gdlines.org also includes new material and some new links.

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer

**********************************************

It is with mixed emotions that I make the following announcements.
With sadness I would like to inform everyone of the passing of Peter Prunka.
Peter did all the amazing work putting together the GDLines Website and the  CD / DVD picture collections.
And with excitement I announce the resurrection of the Website!
The new link is;     http://gdlines.org/index.html
(We are working on getting the original gdlines.com<
http://gdlines.com> domain name)

 

Please see the Tribute to Peter page.


I would especially like to thank Charles Armstrong for saving all the files and to Jeff Witt for uploading, editing, adding and fine-tuning all the pages!
And thanks to all the others for their support with ideas and checking pages etc.

I am sure you will find many new things to see!

 

If you have any input, please use the links on this page;
http://gdlines.org/GDLines/contact.html

Enjoy!
Keith Beard Trinity

***********************************************

Group: vintageHO Message: 26253 From: denverrails Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Eary freight car
Attachments :

My model railroad club received an estate donation recently and the car the picture of which I have attached was included. I'm wondering if anyone can help identify it as my thought was either its Globe or Varney. Note that it still has diecast dummy knuckle couplers.


I'm planning to post this eBay but if any of the off-line   members  are interested please let me know dim01521@....


Thanks!


Wally

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Group: vintageHO Message: 26254 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car [2 Attachments]

Looks like a metal Athearn or Menzies box car.

 

Take care,

Chuck

 

 

 

From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:34 PM
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintageHO] Eary freight car [2 Attachments]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from dim01521@... [vintageHO] included below]

My model railroad club received an estate donation recently and the car the picture of which I have attached was included. I'm wondering if anyone can help identify it as my thought was either its Globe or Varney. Note that it still has diecast dummy knuckle couplers.

 

I'm planning to post this eBay but if any of the off-line   members  are interested please let me know dim01521@....

 

Thanks!


Wally

Group: vintageHO Message: 26255 From: Donald R. Staton Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car
I vote for Athearn also because of the end underframes. By the way, the knuckles are on backward or upside down... The knuckles are supposed to be right hand to right hand.
Happy railroading...
Don Staton in VA.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 2/21/2017 10:32 PM, 'Chuck Higdon' vze5crrw1@... [vintageHO] wrote:
 

Looks like a metal Athearn or Menzies box car.

 

Take care,

Chuck

 

 

 

From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:34 PM
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintageHO] Eary freight car [2 Attachments]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from dim01521@... [vintageHO] included below]

My model railroad club received an estate donation recently and the car the picture of which I have attached was included. I'm wondering if anyone can help identify it as my thought was either its Globe or Varney. Note that it still has diecast dummy knuckle couplers.

 

I'm planning to post this eBay but if any of the off-line   members  are interested please let me know dim01521@....

 

Thanks!


Wally


Group: vintageHO Message: 26256 From: eriepacific@... Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car [2 Attachments]
Wally,
 
What you have here is definitely an Athearn metal freight car, of the "40-Foot 'Special' Single-Door Boxcar" series -- kit number A-178, of which thirteen different car sides were known to have been produced by this manufacturer -- your car number 174238 being one of them.  I have this same (# 174283) car in my collection.  This NYC Pacemaker car is included in the Greenberg's Guide to Athearn Trains (by Dallas J. Mallerich III), the car listing of which I helped compile.  My photo of this same car appears in this book, on page 51, under this "Special" Series I've mentioned above.  It's possible that G.F. Menzies may have also re-released it later, but if so this would have only been because they obtained a sufficient inventory of this car side number from Athearn to reproduce them when they bought Athearn out.  Athearn was the original manufacturer of this car.  Menzies did release NYC Pacemaker boxcar kits (originally painted and lettered/numbered by Athearn) in a much smaller selection of car side numbers, but it's uncertain whether this same car number was offered by them; they did (re)produce # 174179 as their kit number MH-250, however.
 
When in doubt about whether an H0 stamped metal box car or reefer was produced by either Varney or Athearn (or Globe), the construction of these cars will easily tell you which manufacturer you have when checking out the assembly of the car sides with the car ends.  Varney used two single-piece integral side & end sections as part of the car's body, whereas Athearn and Globe used two separate sides and two separate ends.  This is to say that with Varney's freight cars of these two types (boxcars and reefers), you will see one seamless joint at each end of these cars where the sides and ends meet as these end joints consist of one continuous side-end section(s) that are bent at right angles joined with a second similarly bent continuous side-end section(s) which meet with the other, showing just one actual joint at each end.  Varney didn't use separate car sides and ends.
 
The car side numbers will also almost always indicate which manufacturer produced these metal freight cars as each manufacturer most often used a numbering series attributed only to them.  While Globe metal freight cars were very similar in construction, this manufacturer never produced this car side number.  Globe boxcars and reefers were also slightly higher than Athearn's, but this difference may not always be apparent in photos.
 
Ray Wetzel

 
In a message dated 2/21/2017 7:40:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

My model railroad club received an estate donation recently and the car the picture of which I have attached was included. I'm wondering if anyone can help identify it as my thought was either its Globe or Varney. Note that it still has diecast dummy knuckle couplers.


I'm planning to post this eBay but if any of the off-line   members  are interested please let me know dim01521@....


Thanks!


Wally

 
Group: vintageHO Message: 26257 From: william witte Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car [2 Attachments]
It is an Athearn product.



From: "dim01521@... [vintageHO]" <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: [vintageHO] Eary freight car [2 Attachments]

 
[Attachment(s) from dim01521@... [vintageHO] included below]
My model railroad club received an estate donation recently and the car the picture of which I have attached was included. I'm wondering if anyone can help identify it as my thought was either its Globe or Varney. Note that it still has diecast dummy knuckle couplers.

I'm planning to post this eBay but if any of the off-line   members  are interested please let me know dim01521@....

Thanks!

Wally


Group: vintageHO Message: 26258 From: vicon9045 Date: 2/21/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car
Hello,
Athearn 40 foot box!
page 52, Greenberg's Athearn Trains  # [G]
Stevens Collection,
Paul
Group: vintageHO Message: 26259 From: steve michener Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: 0-4-0 mantua
Denny from CWrailman told me to give you guys a try. I have a Mantua 0-4-0 shifter that I would like to remoter. I have remotored 2 in the past, 1 shifter & 1 camel back. I was fortunate to have Helix Humpers for both of them. Unfortunately they are very difficult to come by now. I'm sure I could find a motor that would work fine. There was one in Dennys blog that he had tested for brass steam. Mounting it is what puzzles me. I would like to get it done without regearing the whole thing. Any suggestions?
Thanks,Steve
Sent from my iPhone
Group: vintageHO Message: 26260 From: Paul Kayne Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car [2 Attachments]

Greenberg's Athearn Trains by Dallas J. Mallerich,

Page 52, [G] "174283" Athearn 40 foot box!

Paul

 

From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:34 PM
To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintageHO] Eary freight car [2 Attachments]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from dim01521@... [vintageHO] included below]

My model railroad club received an estate donation recently and the car the picture of which I have attached was included. I'm wondering if anyone can help identify it as my thought was either its Globe or Varney. Note that it still has diecast dummy knuckle couplers.

 

I'm planning to post this eBay but if any of the off-line   members  are interested please let me know dim01521@....

 

Thanks!


Wally

Group: vintageHO Message: 26261 From: Dave Audley Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
You can try the A-Line web site for motors. Or, Northwest Short Line. who
also has motors. They also offer a re-gear service, which I have used and 
I am very happy with the results!
 
Dave Audley


On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:00 AM, "steve michener shrubman141@... [vintageHO]" <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Denny from CWrailman told me to give you guys a try. I have a Mantua 0-4-0 shifter that I would like to remoter. I have remotored 2 in the past, 1 shifter & 1 camel back. I was fortunate to have Helix Humpers for both of them. Unfortunately they are very difficult to come by now. I'm sure I could find a motor that would work fine. There was one in Dennys blog that he had tested for brass steam. Mounting it is what puzzles me. I would like to get it done without regearing the whole thing. Any suggestions?
Thanks,Steve
Sent from my iPhone


Group: vintageHO Message: 26262 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua

Yes, it is unfortunate that Helix Humpers are gone.  I guess I should have bought some myself.  I am not aware of any really good way to put in a can motor in one of these.  I have done it in an 0-6-0 and a 4-6-2 Mantua/Tyco, but I also re-geared them as well.  I actually tried making a motor shaft extension to use the existing Mantua worm, but was unsuccessful in making it work properly.  It can be done, but the shaft extension would need some form of support.  I attached a photo that shows how I did a Mantua/Tyco Pacific, 4-6-2.  The motor is from Allelectronics and was pretty reasonable cost.  While actual P-7's were able to run at 80 mph, the 28 to 1 gearing of the NWSL gear box coupled with the motor puts this guy at around 50-60 mph.  This is good enough for me.  I do not want any engine running at 80 mph on my layout anyway.  I also did an 0-6-0 using and NWSL 36 to 1 idler gearbox and a smaller can motor, but do not have any photos of that.

I don't mind saying that opening up the frame to accommodate the gearbox was tedious and the most difficult part of the process.  Making the motor mount was not difficult.  I tried making one from .032 brass strips, but ended up making one out of .040 stock.  I think .062 might be better but more work.

Maybe others on this list can give additional ideas.

Good luck and regards, Vic B.


Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of steve michener shrubman141@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 6:07 PM
To: vintageho@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vintageHO] 0-4-0 mantua
 
 


Denny from CWrailman told me to give you guys a try. I have a Mantua 0-4-0 shifter that I would like to remoter. I have remotored 2 in the past, 1 shifter & 1 camel back. I was fortunate to have Helix Humpers for both of them. Unfortunately they are very difficult to come by now. I'm sure I could find a motor that would work fine. There was one in Dennys blog that he had tested for brass steam. Mounting it is what puzzles me. I would like to get it done without regearing the whole thing. Any suggestions?
Thanks,Steve
Sent from my iPhone

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Group: vintageHO Message: 26263 From: Wally Weart Date: 2/22/2017
Subject: Re: Eary freight car
Attachments :
    Thanks to all who replied and I'll make sure the listing is  accurate.


    Wally
    []
    Denver & Intermountain 01521  

    Group: vintageHO Message: 26264 From: steve michener Date: 2/22/2017
    Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
    Thank you Dave for getting back to me. I'll give these guys a try and see where it gets me.
    Thanks again, Steve

    Sent from my iPhone

    > On Feb 21, 2017, at 6:07 PM, steve michener <shrubman141@...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Denny from CWrailman told me to give you guys a try. I have a Mantua 0-4-0 shifter that I would like to remoter. I have remotored 2 in the past, 1 shifter & 1 camel back. I was fortunate to have Helix Humpers for both of them. Unfortunately they are very difficult to come by now. I'm sure I could find a motor that would work fine. There was one in Dennys blog that he had tested for brass steam. Mounting it is what puzzles me. I would like to get it done without regearing the whole thing. Any suggestions?
    > Thanks,Steve
    > Sent from my iPhone
    Group: vintageHO Message: 26265 From: maryinvt2 Date: 2/23/2017
    Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
    Hi Steve,
    For a long time, I've been looking for ways to improve the running of Mantua locos, both the bigger ones as well as the smaller ones and I finally came up with two ways to do that, one of which is the better way. BTW, both methods make them run nice and quiet and I do it with can motors.

    First about the can motor.........I use a cheap 15.4mm wide motor and that measurement is about as big as can be installed in most Mantuas due to the limitations of the boiler dimensions unless one has milling capabilities which I don't. The motor I use costs $1.20 each at All Electronics and it's catalog #DCM-476, rated at 6 - 24 volts made by Mabuchi.

    The first method I tried was to use a Mantua logger gear box which worked well but they are hard to find. I then tried the second method which is my favorite. Fortunately, I had some old Mantua open frame motors kicking around. To do this it takes two of these motors as donors. What I do is completely disassemble both motors because I only use the motor frames to fashion an open gear box out of them which enables the use of the above mentioned can motor. I'm not very good at putting pictures on forums so if you want to PM me I can email you all the picture about it and give you more details on how it's done.
    Richard in Vermont
    Group: vintageHO Message: 26266 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/23/2017
    Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
    Attachments :

      Hi Richard,

      If your details are in Word, I can add the photos and details to this site.  Please send me what you can.  I will let you see it before I load to the group to be sure it is correct.

       

      Take care,

      Chuck

       

       

       

      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:46 AM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [vintageHO] Re: 0-4-0 mantua

       

       

      Hi Steve,
      For a long time, I've been looking for ways to improve the running of Mantua locos, both the bigger ones as well as the smaller ones and I finally came up with two ways to do that, one of which is the better way. BTW, both methods make them run nice and quiet and I do it with can motors.

      First about the can motor.........I use a cheap 15.4mm wide motor and that measurement is about as big as can be installed in most Mantuas due to the limitations of the boiler dimensions unless one has milling capabilities which I don't. The motor I use costs $1.20 each at All Electronics and it's catalog #DCM-476, rated at 6 - 24 volts made by Mabuchi.

      The first method I tried was to use a Mantua logger gear box which worked well but they are hard to find. I then tried the second method which is my favorite. Fortunately, I had some old Mantua open frame motors kicking around. To do this it takes two of these motors as donors. What I do is completely disassemble both motors because I only use the motor frames to fashion an open gear box out of them which enables the use of the above mentioned can motor. I'm not very good at putting pictures on forums so if you want to PM me I can email you all the picture about it and give you more details on how it's done.
      Richard in Vermont

      Group: vintageHO Message: 26267 From: al4303@att.net Date: 2/23/2017
      Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
      Take a look at Northwest Shortline's "how to pages" at their web site and you'll see a motor gear mounting system with instructions for all Mantua steam locos. A little more expensive than what has been suggested here, but...

      I have no connection with them other than as a satisfied customer.

      Also take a look at Yardbird Trains Group. In their photo section are many many photos of various re-motoring systems and ideas along with pictures. 

      Allen Wood
      Chico,Ca.
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26268 From: J. L. Edwards Date: 2/23/2017
      Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
      That was helpful Vic.

      I'm gonna be remotoring several locomotives then sell. 
      I intend to make dimensional drawings for components with an eye to adapting one of my Micro- Mills or lathes in the future to CNC for small batches....

      This will take some testing and evaluation as I figure out what works best, where with an eye to economy and quality. So say, what readily available motor has the right characteristics for several HO locomotives? That allows me to simplify design of the motor mount.... 
      I certainly have the Machine shop for this:
      Unimat 3 Lathe
      Unimat FB-1 mill
      Cameron model 154 Drill press, which is going up for sale if anyone is interested? It's being replaced with a Levin unit.
      If I needed to make insanely tiny I have a 1902 Wolf Jahn 8mm Watchmakers lathe. ;) 

      Cheers for now.

      -Jeff (Ont/Canada & Central Upstate, NY)

      --
      "Defeats always teach lessons,
      Victories sometimes do."

      Group: vintageHO Message: 26269 From: Bob Macklin Date: 2/23/2017
      Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
      I regeared a couple of Docksides with the small NWSL can motor. It did not have enough power to pull anything and barely enough to move itself.
       
      Bob Macklin
      Seattle, Wa.
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:32 AM
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] 0-4-0 mantua

       

      You can try the A-Line web site for motors. Or, Northwest Short Line. who
      also has motors. They also offer a re-gear service, which I have used and 
      I am very happy with the results!
       
      Dave Audley


      On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:00 AM, "steve michener shrubman141@... [vintageHO]" <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


       

      Denny from CWrailman told me to give you guys a try. I have a Mantua 0-4-0 shifter that I would like to remoter. I have remotored 2 in the past, 1 shifter & 1 camel back. I was fortunate to have Helix Humpers for both of them. Unfortunately they are very difficult to come by now. I'm sure I could find a motor that would work fine. There was one in Dennys blog that he had tested for brass steam. Mounting it is what puzzles me. I would like to get it done without regearing the whole thing. Any suggestions?
      Thanks,Steve
      Sent from my iPhone


      Group: vintageHO Message: 26270 From: shrubman141@gmail.com Date: 2/24/2017
      Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
      Richard,
      Thanks for the info. I have several mantua open frame motors. Can you text me photos?
      Text to 845-781-3560
      Thanks, Steve
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26271 From: Dennis Thompson Date: 2/24/2017
      Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
      Richard, All:
      I've been watching this thread with considerable interest as I am in the
      same situation. I got my first Mantua Shifter in the late 1950's, and
      still have it. I also have a couple extra motors. If you are sending
      photos to Steve, would it be too much to ask for you to copy me the same
      information and photos? I thank you for your consideration to the List
      and the rest of us with your success with these.
      Dennis


      On 2/24/2017 11:43 AM,
      h3jyxgsvclrbepdotpivxy3tdahp4df6ctthx5r6@... [vintageHO] wrote:
      > Richard,
      > Thanks for the info. I have several mantua open frame motors. Can you text me photos?
      > Text to 845-781-3560
      > Thanks, Steve
      >
      > -
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26272 From: ajfergusonca Date: 2/24/2017
      Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
      Richard:
       add me to the list for pictures. This sounds like a good solution.
      Allen
      email: ajfergus@...
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26273 From: maryinvt2 Date: 2/25/2017
      Subject: Re: 0-4-0 mantua
      Hi AJ
      I will be glad to send pictures but your email address didn't come thru. PM me if you can.
      Richard in Vermont.
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26274 From: david vartanoff Date: 2/25/2017
      Subject: Hobbyline Tank car kits

      Going through old stuff...

      Found 2  "Baby Ruth Tank car kits  never built. 

      Any interest, please email me directly

      TIA

      David Vartanoff

      Group: vintageHO Message: 26275 From: sswcharlie Date: 3/6/2017
      Subject: WTB Revell 1/87 Transrapid 07
      Hi

      Does anyone have a Revell HO Transrapid 07 Maglev kit.  A static model.  Any condition

      Thanks

      Charles Harris
       


      Group: vintageHO Message: 26276 From: cwrailman Date: 3/9/2017
      Subject: Vintage motors for sale
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26277 From: Doug Harris Date: 3/9/2017
      Subject: Anyone help this guy on the LayourConstruction group??
      Posted by: Larry Blanchard <labl02@...>

      > Any real old timers on this list? A while back I picked up some HO
      > ballast packages at an estate sale. They were labelled "Mad Dog" and a
      > price sticker was affixed. The ballast sinks so I guess it isn't walnut
      > shells.
      >
      > I've been unable to find out anything about it online. Anyone here know
      > the history of this product? If so, please enlighten me. I'm curious.

      Tks..

      --
      Cheers.

      Doug Harris
      Cambridge, New Zealand
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26278 From: cwrailman Date: 3/9/2017
      Subject: A Long Shafted Replacement Motor

      Some time ago a member of this board contacted me looking for a motor with a long shaft.  At the time I was not able to make any suggestions to suit his needs now however I may be able to recommend a suitable motor though it is not open frame.  Check out our CWRailman 03/09/2017 Blog to see our test of a Nichibo 24v 15mm x 20mm x 28mm motor with a 2.0mm dia x 25mm long shaft that we though might be suited to remotoring locomotives and check out the attached video for a brief demonstration.   

      Denny

      Janitor in Training

      CW Loco and Car Rebuild Shops

      WEB site: CWRailman.com 

      Facebook: CWRailman 

       

       

      Group: vintageHO Message: 26279 From: oklacnw Date: 3/11/2017
      Subject: Fwd: Re: [cnw] Digest Number 5487
      --
      Al E.

      > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 13:21:33 -0600
      > From: <oklacnw@...>
      > To: No Reply <notify-dg-cnw@yahoogroups.com>
      > Subject: Re: [cnw] Digest Number 5487
      > Cc: cnw@yahoogroups.com
      >
      > Hello everyone in this group,im stan Erdmann Al Erdmanns son,on behalf of dad he has asked me to let everyone know that he has been very sick the last two weeks with pneumonia and some heart issues spent a week in the hospital and transferred to a nursing home temporarily for rehabilitation,he is still a bit weak but improving daily and says he cant wait to get back home and online to correspond with you all.please keep him and my mom in your prayers as both of them are being cared for in the hospital and nursing home!Thanks and have a great day!
      > --
      > Al E.
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26280 From: Richard L. Carbo Date: 3/11/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [cnw] Digest Number 5487
      Thoughts and prayers coming their way.

      Sent from my iPad

      On Mar 11, 2017, at 2:24 PM, oklacnw@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       


      --
      Al E.

      > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 13:21:33 -0600
      > From: <oklacnw@...>
      > To: No Reply <notify-dg-cnw@yahoogroups.com>
      > Subject: Re: [cnw] Digest Number 5487
      > Cc: cnw@yahoogroups.com
      >
      > Hello everyone in this group,im stan Erdmann Al Erdmanns son,on behalf of dad he has asked me to let everyone know that he has been very sick the last two weeks with pneumonia and some heart issues spent a week in the hospital and transferred to a nursing home temporarily for rehabilitation,he is still a bit weak but improving daily and says he cant wait to get back home and online to correspond with you all.please keep him and my mom in your prayers as both of them are being cared for in the hospital and nursing home!Thanks and have a great day!
      > --
      > Al E.

      Group: vintageHO Message: 26281 From: Cathy Palmer Date: 3/29/2017
      Subject: Mantua sharknose
      I have a mantua sharknose built in the 1950s and the engine will not run I wanted to know if there was a different motor you could put in this locomotive. Instead of the original motor.



      Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®4
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26282 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/29/2017
      Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose

      Hi Cathy,

      These Mantua MU (?) motors are practically indestructible.  But, as far as I know, there is no direct motor replacement, except maybe getting one off of eBay.  Usually you can find one for about 10 bucks.  Also Hobbytown of Boston used to make a new chassis for these old sharks.  You did need to cut off the great big weight that hung down from the center.  But, I digress.

      You probably can make this thing run and run quite nicely.  It probably just needs cleaning and some minor lubrication.  Just Google  on fixing a Mantua motor.  Here is one youtube that describes how to clean and lube a similar motor.  Not a shark, but very similar in design,

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGfIyZ_OrNk


      Just be careful about taking off the screws and stuff.  Work on a clean sheet of white paper and take pictures with your cell phone so you can put stuff back the right way.  Once you expose the brushes, you can take a q-tip or toothpick soaked in alcohol and clean the commutator carefully.  Get some model train lubricant, such as Labelle 107 and put a tiny drop on the bronze bushings.  You can slowly and carefully turn the armature with your fingers until it turns smoothly.  I will bet it is just stuck from lack of use and old age.  I purchased one of these that wouldn't run and ten minutes with the above procedures it ran as smooth as silk.  It would be good to put light grease on the worm gears after the old hardened grease is removed also.

      Good luck and regards, Vic B.

      Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Cathy Palmer bivens74@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:20 PM
      To: vintageho@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua sharknose
       
       

      I have a mantua sharknose built in the 1950s and the engine will not run I wanted to know if there was a different motor you could put in this locomotive. Instead of the original motor.



      Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®4

      Group: vintageHO Message: 26283 From: greenbrier614 Date: 3/29/2017
      Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
      I second Vic's advice. Most old locos can be resurrected with cleaning and lubrication. Since the rear truck has an integrated motor it's not possible to drop in a replacement.

      Here are two threads by Darth Santa Fe from the Model Railroader forum that deal with the metal Shark that will show you the original MU-1 power truck. His example had a weak motor magnet that caused poor performance, so he replaced it with some rare earth magnets. Hopefully that isn't the case with yours, but replacing the magnet is a lot easier than remotoring.

      http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/193717.aspx

      http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/p/195040/2389996.aspx

      Nelson
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26284 From: bivens74@hotmail.com Date: 3/29/2017
      Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
      Ok I got it running but it runs really slow when it's on the track but when it's not on the track it runs fast is there something wrong with the mantua sharknose.
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26285 From: eriepacific@... Date: 3/29/2017
      Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
      As it runs freely when not on the track, but slows up under load (it's own weight) on the track, this would seem to indicate that the magnet has weakened as the most probable cause for it running slow.  Check the unpowered truck for axle binding also and make sure all wheels rotate freely. Nothing wrong with these Mantua Sharknose models in general; they're usually good running locos, even if the Hobbytown conversion would improve it.
       
       
       
      In a message dated 3/30/2017 1:22:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
       

      Ok I got it running but it runs really slow when it's on the track but when it's not on the track it runs fast is there something wrong with the mantua sharknose.

       
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26286 From: gerard_sr Date: 3/30/2017
      Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
      Ask around your local hobby shop for someone that is a remote controlled battery race car enthusiast. Some of these guys, I once knew one, have built a magnetizer or re-magnatizer. This is a device with one heck of a lot of coils of wire and an adjustable vice like holder to grasp magnets. They place a weak magnet or one not as strong as they like between the vice like holder and turn on the juice. It rejuvenates magnets.
      The purpose they do this is to make the motors in competition battery powered race cars stronger. Not entirely legit in the race car circuit, but by doing this they can prove the motors were not taken apart but actually run better and they can possibly win more races with a better motor.
      There are two types of these, one is powered by a car battery and one that is powered by rectified AC from the wall. Theory is that the AC powered one is better because it pulses the magnetic field it generates and by clamping the week magnet in the holder the pulses strengthen the magnet.

      Or you can carefully measure the magnet and go online in search of a magnet supplier that will have a rare earth magnet of the appropriate size to replace your weak one.

      Finally, if the engine is very old, someone along the way may have use excessive lubricant of the wrong type. This wrong type of lubricant may have seeped or splashed on the armature winding's and partially dissolved some of the varnish on the copper wire forming internal shorts. Very hard to find and very hard to rewind a motor.

      Good Luck,
      Gerry
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26287 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/30/2017
      Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose

      If you are testing it at the motor, the wheels could be dirty and just not picking up enough juice.


      Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of bivens74@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:09 PM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua sharknose
       
       

      Ok I got it running but it runs really slow when it's on the track but when it's not on the track it runs fast is there something wrong with the mantua sharknose.

      Group: vintageHO Message: 26288 From: trainliker Date: 3/30/2017
      Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
      You can also take small magnets and stack them up in the original magnet area.  The chances of finding a magnet already of the correct size is pretty slim.

      Here is something discussing the issue some.


      They have a link to Micro-Mark magnets, but that link doesn't work.  This one does and has a picture of little "super  magnets" stacked up in a typical open frame motor.



       
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26289 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/30/2017
      Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose

      K&J Magnetics sells all kinds of magnets at very lost cost with very reasonable shipping.  I believe the Mantua MU motor uses a 1/2 cube magnet. 

      https://www.kjmagnetics.com/products.asp?cat=11


      Scroll down and look at B888 -N42 and B888 -N52.  I am not sure what the difference is.  I am guessing the N52 is stronger, because it costs more.  I would go with the N42 as that probably has WAYYY more strength than the original does.   A too strong magnet could really be a detriment.

      Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of ckinzer@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:36 AM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua sharknose
       
       

      You can also take small magnets and stack them up in the original magnet area.  The chances of finding a magnet already of the correct size is pretty slim.


      Here is something discussing the issue some.

      http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/744/p/232324/2599802.aspx
      cs.trains.com
      Model Railroader is the world's largest magazine on model trains and model railroad layouts. We feature beginner and advanced help on all model railroading scales, including layout track plans, model railroad product reviews, model train news, and model railroad forums.


      They have a link to Micro-Mark magnets, but that link doesn't work.  This one does and has a picture of little "super  magnets" stacked up in a typical open frame motor.



       

      Group: vintageHO Message: 26290 From: trainguru Date: 4/7/2017
      Subject: Re: Mantua sharknose
      Mantua Sharks are a finicky bunch, but worth efforts towards running.
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26291 From: bivens74@hotmail.com Date: 4/9/2017
      Subject: Lionel ho gs4

      I have a lionel ho scale gs4 that is in need of the right side or engineers side of the piston rod assembly that goes into the cylinder and I wanted to know if the bachmann gs4 rod assembly part would work on the lionel gs4 and also the original lionel part is destroyed and it can not be fixed 


      Help.

      Group: vintageHO Message: 26292 From: eriepacific@... Date: 4/9/2017
      Subject: Re: Lionel ho gs4
      The H0 Lionel SP GS-4 Northern was made by Bachmann for Lionel, so yes the parts will fit.  
       
      Ray Wetzel
       
       
      In a message dated 4/9/2017 8:38:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
       

      I have a lionel ho scale gs4 that is in need of the right side or engineers side of the piston rod assembly that goes into the cylinder and I wanted to know if the bachmann gs4 rod assembly part would work on the lionel gs4 and also the original lionel part is destroyed and it can not be fixed 


      Help.

       
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26293 From: toytrain13 Date: 4/25/2017
      Subject: Need Varney Super Mikado parts

      Hello- Can anyone help me to obtain the two Varney castings shown in the attachment. These are what supports the rear end of the frame on a Varney Super Mikado (and other "Super" locos too). The loco I purchased on eBay recently was missing these (this was not apparent in the eBay photos). I'm restoring the loco but without these items I'm stuck!

      Regards- Richard W.

        @@attachment@@
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26294 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 5/9/2017
      Subject: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vint
      Dear Vintage H0 friends,

      I am forwarding a brief exchange with an eBay seller. Would anyone care to comment? Are there KMT copies of AMT passenger cars?

      Regards,
      Walter

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      Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:30 PM
      Subject: Re: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      To: bayerw2@...


       

      New message from: jbjtreasures (193Turquoise Star)

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      Reply
      Dear hudsonhussarii,

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      - jbjtreasures

      Your previous message

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.



      From: hudsonhussarii
      To: jbjtreasures
      Subject: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      Sent Date: May-08-17 10:49:37 PDT

      Dear jbjtreasures,

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.

      - hudsonhussarii


      HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights

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      Group: vintageHO Message: 26295 From: Gary Mittner Date: 5/9/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO

      I had purchased a 5 car set from ebay 2 years ago. They were AMT. Aluminum extrusions with metal ends, diecast floor and trucks. Looks exactly like these ones that are marked KTM. I sold mine off as I was only interested in the power that came with it. A Penn Line Reading Crusader. Seller had talked up a storm on the cars but made only a mention of a "cool" looking locomotive. .....Gary

      Sent from BlueMail

      On May 9, 2017, at 11:59 AM, "Walter Bayer II bayerw2@... [vintageHO]" <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      Dear Vintage H0 friends,

      I am forwarding a brief exchange with an eBay seller. Would anyone care to comment? Are there KMT copies of AMT passenger cars?

      Regards,
      Walter

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: eBay - jbjtreasures <jbjtre_hvwl4205piz@...>
      Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:30 PM
      Subject: Re: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      To: bayerw2@...


       

      New message from: jbjtreasures (193Turquoise Star)

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      Reply
      Dear hudsonhussarii,

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      - jbjtreasures

      Your previous message

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.



      From: hudsonhussarii
      To: jbjtreasures
      Subject: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      Sent Date: May-08-17 10:49:37 PDT

      Dear jbjtreasures,

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.

      - hudsonhussarii


      HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights

      HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Bagga
      Current Bid: $24.99
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      Group: vintageHO Message: 26296 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 5/9/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO
      AMT is the same company that had all the 1:25 car kits, and when they started out in yje 1950's, as I recall they also used the name KMT" for the friction models and some of the promotional models they made, so the two names are pretty much interchangeable. There is still lots of room for confusion however, wasn't the Japanese builder "KTM" not "KMT"? Also, there was an outfit selling 027 models back around 1960 or so. "KMT" standing for "Kusan Model Trains", also known as "Kusan-Auburn".

      --------------------------------------------
      On Tue, 5/9/17, Gary Mittner mittner@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
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      Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017, 11:24 AM


       












      I had purchased a 5 car set from ebay 2
      years ago. They were AMT. Aluminum extrusions with metal
      ends, diecast floor and trucks. Looks exactly like these
      ones that are marked KTM. I sold mine off as I was only
      interested in the power that came
      with it. A Penn Line Reading Crusader. Seller had talked up
      a storm on the cars but made only a mention of a
      "cool" looking locomotive. .....Gary

      Sent from BlueMail




      On May 9, 2017, at
      11:59 AM, "Walter Bayer II bayerw2@...
      [vintageHO]" <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      wrote:


      Dear Vintage H0 friends,



      I am forwarding a brief exchange with an eBay seller.
      Would anyone care to comment? Are there KMT copies of AMT
      passenger cars?



      Regards,

      Walter



      ---------- Forwarded
      message ----------

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      jbjtreasures <jbjtre_hvwl4205piz@...>

      Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:30 PM

      Subject: Re: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a
      message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set
      of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131

      To: bayerw2@...










      New message: Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out t...





       









      New message from:
      jbjtreasures
      (193)



      Hi
      ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is
      KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the
      stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet





      Reply




      Dear
      hudsonhussarii,



      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it
      is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was
      the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet






      - jbjtreasures












      Your previous message



      I
      think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys,
      not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are
      collectible vintage models.










      From: hudsonhussarii

      To: jbjtreasures

      Subject: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message
      about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6
      Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131

      Sent Date: May-08-17 10:49:37 PDT







      Dear
      jbjtreasures,



      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys,
      not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are
      collectible vintage models.





      - hudsonhussarii















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      Group: vintageHO Message: 26297 From: louis niederlander Date: 5/9/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO

      AMT = Authentic Model Turnpike


      KTM = Katsumi


      Regards,

      Louis N




      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Donald Dellmann don.dellmann@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 6:29 PM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
       
      AMT is the same company that had all the 1:25 car kits, and when they started out in yje 1950's, as I recall they also used the name KMT" for the friction models and some of the promotional models they made, so the two names are pretty much interchangeable.  There is still lots of room for confusion however, wasn't the Japanese builder "KTM" not "KMT"?  Also, there was an outfit selling 027 models back around 1960 or so. "KMT" standing for "Kusan Model Trains", also known as "Kusan-Auburn".

      --------------------------------------------

      Group: vintageHO Message: 26298 From: eriepacific@... Date: 5/9/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
      Walter,
       
      Well at least jbjtreasures is honest about it, when they stated they found a KMT stamping.  As far as I've determined through reports of the HO SC&H SIG, there were two companies; AMT (American Model Toys) which started in the early 1950's and KMT (K * M * T), produced by Kusan (Auburn/Kusan) in the late 1950's -- in Nashville, TN -- not a Japanese company.  While I couldn't say if the KMT passenger cars were "copies," as in deliberate copies, KTM passenger car construction was very similar to that of AMT, in that the sides were heavy aluminum.  The underframe and ends were diecast metal.   Both AMT and KTM produced only shortened (70') versions of these streamlined passenger cars they produced, although not consider as "shorties" (60' to 65'), while both companies offered only the same six cars without a vista (or strata) dome or RPO.  Too, both companies illuminated their cars and both companies used (only) metal Santa Fe name plates. 
       
      While I'm not sure if AMT produced models in O scale, KMT did.  The passenger car models that KMT produced in HO scale were -- with catalog numbers -- HO 202 Pullman-Roomette, HO 203 Diner, HO 205 Observation, HO 206 Day Coach, HO 207 Combination (Baggage/Coach) and HO 208 Baggage.  A minor difference was that AMT's roomette was called a Bedroom-Roomette.  Not helping you with this issue, but still adding to the knowledge of what KMT produced, they also offered two different ATSF passenger sets, with an F-7 (Catalog # 22) as power.  One (3-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe El Capitan consisted of the Combine, Day Coach and Observation while the second (5-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe Super Chief consisted of the Baggage, Day Coach, Diner, Pullman-Roomette and Observation.  
       
      One feature of AMT kits is that the two sockets (for illumination) were cast integral with the floor (they were part of the floor casting).  I notice by this eBay site that these KMT kits came with separate bulb sockets on brackets.  Otherwise, the illumination was similar.  This is one major difference though, and there is one other notable difference, however you would need to have a sample of both manufactures on hand, and that is that the screw mounting holes were different from one manufacturer to the other.  But just going by the separate bulb sockets, it can be seen that these are not AMT cars even though quite similar.  BTW, I've bought from this eBay seller (recently) and found them to be reliable, even though they didn't follow my packing instructions; they used a padded envelope instead of a more protective corrugated shipping carton for a Kar Line kit I purchased (it arrived okay, luckily). 
       
      Ray Wetzel       
       
       
      In a message dated 5/9/2017 12:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
       

      Dear Vintage H0 friends,

      I am forwarding a brief exchange with an eBay seller. Would anyone care to comment? Are there KMT copies of AMT passenger cars?

      Regards,
      Walter

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: eBay - jbjtreasures <jbjtre_hvwl4205piz@...>
      Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:30 PM
      Subject: Re: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      To: bayerw2@...


       

      New message from: jbjtreasures (193http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m44.l1183/7?euid=93c415e20c2e4ba88f31eccf6d1c87b3&bu=43163806008&loc=http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jbjtreasures&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS&sojTags=bu=bu)

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      Reply
      Dear hudsonhussarii,

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      - jbjtreasures

      Your previous message

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.



      From: hudsonhussarii
      To: jbjtreasures
      Subject: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      Sent Date: May-08-17 10:49:37 PDT

      Dear jbjtreasures,

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.

      - hudsonhussarii


      HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights

      http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=93c415e20c2e4ba88f31eccf6d1c87b3&bu=43163806008&loc=http://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/182564865131&sojTags=bu=bu
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      Group: vintageHO Message: 26299 From: Walter Bayer II Date: 5/9/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
      RAY, DON, ET AL.,

      Thanks for the useful info.

      I owned several AMT cars, and I still own the baggage car, which I am "super-detailing" (adding handrails, roof vents, etc.). The bottom of the floor casting clearly states, in LARGE CAPS, "AMERICAN MODEL TOYS". 

      I thought the trucks on the AMT cars were very nicely detailed, very good looking. But the trick bolster especially suffered from severe zinc pest. I substituted trucks from Railway Classics, Inc., #TR11. They are a close match!

      Regards,
      Walter

      On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:59 PM, eriepacific@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Walter,
       
      Well at least jbjtreasures is honest about it, when they stated they found a KMT stamping.  As far as I've determined through reports of the HO SC&H SIG, there were two companies; AMT (American Model Toys) which started in the early 1950's and KMT (K * M * T), produced by Kusan (Auburn/Kusan) in the late 1950's -- in Nashville, TN -- not a Japanese company.  While I couldn't say if the KMT passenger cars were "copies," as in deliberate copies, KTM passenger car construction was very similar to that of AMT, in that the sides were heavy aluminum.  The underframe and ends were diecast metal.   Both AMT and KTM produced only shortened (70') versions of these streamlined passenger cars they produced, although not consider as "shorties" (60' to 65'), while both companies offered only the same six cars without a vista (or strata) dome or RPO.  Too, both companies illuminated their cars and both companies used (only) metal Santa Fe name plates. 
       
      While I'm not sure if AMT produced models in O scale, KMT did.  The passenger car models that KMT produced in HO scale were -- with catalog numbers -- HO 202 Pullman-Roomette, HO 203 Diner, HO 205 Observation, HO 206 Day Coach, HO 207 Combination (Baggage/Coach) and HO 208 Baggage.  A minor difference was that AMT's roomette was called a Bedroom-Roomette.  Not helping you with this issue, but still adding to the knowledge of what KMT produced, they also offered two different ATSF passenger sets, with an F-7 (Catalog # 22) as power.  One (3-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe El Capitan consisted of the Combine, Day Coach and Observation while the second (5-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe Super Chief consisted of the Baggage, Day Coach, Diner, Pullman-Roomette and Observation.  
       
      One feature of AMT kits is that the two sockets (for illumination) were cast integral with the floor (they were part of the floor casting).  I notice by this eBay site that these KMT kits came with separate bulb sockets on brackets.  Otherwise, the illumination was similar.  This is one major difference though, and there is one other notable difference, however you would need to have a sample of both manufactures on hand, and that is that the screw mounting holes were different from one manufacturer to the other.  But just going by the separate bulb sockets, it can be seen that these are not AMT cars even though quite similar.  BTW, I've bought from this eBay seller (recently) and found them to be reliable, even though they didn't follow my packing instructions; they used a padded envelope instead of a more protective corrugated shipping carton for a Kar Line kit I purchased (it arrived okay, luckily). 
       
      Ray Wetzel       
       
       
      In a message dated 5/9/2017 12:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
       

      Dear Vintage H0 friends,

      I am forwarding a brief exchange with an eBay seller. Would anyone care to comment? Are there KMT copies of AMT passenger cars?

      Regards,
      Walter

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: eBay - jbjtreasures <jbjtre_hvwl4205piz@members. ebay.com>
      Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:30 PM
      Subject: Re: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      To: bayerw2@...


       

      New message from: jbjtreasures (193http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m44.l1183/7?euid=93c415e20c2e4ba88f31eccf6d1c87b3&bu=43163806008&loc=http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jbjtreasures&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS&sojTags=bu=bu)

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      Reply
      Dear hudsonhussarii,

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      - jbjtreasures

      Your previous message

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.



      From: hudsonhussarii
      To: jbjtreasures
      Subject: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      Sent Date: May-08-17 10:49:37 PDT

      Dear jbjtreasures,

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.

      - hudsonhussarii


      HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights

      http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=93c415e20c2e4ba88f31eccf6d1c87b3&bu=43163806008&loc=http://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/182564865131&sojTags=bu=bu
      Current Bid: $24.99
      Auction ends May 14, 2017 19:30 PDT
      Bids: 1
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      Get to know the seller jbjtreasures

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      Group: vintageHO Message: 26300 From: Graeme Date: 5/9/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO
      In message <69958023.5748075.1494354567873@...>, "Donald
      Dellmann don.dellmann@... [vintageHO]"
      <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> writes

      >Also, there was an outfit selling 027 models back around 1960 or so.
      >"KMT" standing for "Kusan Model Trains", also known as "Kusan-Auburn".

      A brief history of AMT, KMT, Kusan etc. :

      http://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/kusan/index.html

      --
      Graeme, Scotland
      Group: vintageHO Message: 26301 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 5/10/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...

      Growing up in Detroit I must have bought hundreds of these at $1.25 each.  But, I was under the impression it was American METAL Toys, Troy Mi.  I believe a Hobby Shop owner told me that.  That is what I remember.  I also wondered WHY METAL.  But looking at the history they did make the model cars in metal in the 1930's and 40's.


      Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Walter Bayer II bayerw2@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 6:21 PM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
       
       

      RAY, DON, ET AL.,

      Thanks for the useful info.

      I owned several AMT cars, and I still own the baggage car, which I am "super-detailing" (adding handrails, roof vents, etc.). The bottom of the floor casting clearly states, in LARGE CAPS, "AMERICAN MODEL TOYS". 

      I thought the trucks on the AMT cars were very nicely detailed, very good looking. But the trick bolster especially suffered from severe zinc pest. I substituted trucks from Railway Classics, Inc., #TR11. They are a close match!

      Regards,
      Walter

      On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:59 PM, eriepacific@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Walter,
       
      Well at least jbjtreasures is honest about it, when they stated they found a KMT stamping.  As far as I've determined through reports of the HO SC&H SIG, there were two companies; AMT (American Model Toys) which started in the early 1950's and KMT (K * M * T), produced by Kusan (Auburn/Kusan) in the late 1950's -- in Nashville, TN -- not a Japanese company.  While I couldn't say if the KMT passenger cars were "copies," as in deliberate copies, KTM passenger car construction was very similar to that of AMT, in that the sides were heavy aluminum.  The underframe and ends were diecast metal.   Both AMT and KTM produced only shortened (70') versions of these streamlined passenger cars they produced, although not consider as "shorties" (60' to 65'), while both companies offered only the same six cars without a vista (or strata) dome or RPO.  Too, both companies illuminated their cars and both companies used (only) metal Santa Fe name plates. 
       
      While I'm not sure if AMT produced models in O scale, KMT did.  The passenger car models that KMT produced in HO scale were -- with catalog numbers -- HO 202 Pullman-Roomette, HO 203 Diner, HO 205 Observation, HO 206 Day Coach, HO 207 Combination (Baggage/Coach) and HO 208 Baggage.  A minor difference was that AMT's roomette was called a Bedroom-Roomette.  Not helping you with this issue, but still adding to the knowledge of what KMT produced, they also offered two different ATSF passenger sets, with an F-7 (Catalog # 22) as power.  One (3-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe El Capitan consisted of the Combine, Day Coach and Observation while the second (5-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe Super Chief consisted of the Baggage, Day Coach, Diner, Pullman-Roomette and Observation.  
       
      One feature of AMT kits is that the two sockets (for illumination) were cast integral with the floor (they were part of the floor casting).  I notice by this eBay site that these KMT kits came with separate bulb sockets on brackets.  Otherwise, the illumination was similar.  This is one major difference though, and there is one other notable difference, however you would need to have a sample of both manufactures on hand, and that is that the screw mounting holes were different from one manufacturer to the other.  But just going by the separate bulb sockets, it can be seen that these are not AMT cars even though quite similar.  BTW, I've bought from this eBay seller (recently) and found them to be reliable, even though they didn't follow my packing instructions; they used a padded envelope instead of a more protective corrugated shipping carton for a Kar Line kit I purchased (it arrived okay, luckily). 
       
      Ray Wetzel       
       
       
      In a message dated 5/9/2017 12:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
       

      Dear Vintage H0 friends,

      I am forwarding a brief exchange with an eBay seller. Would anyone care to comment? Are there KMT copies of AMT passenger cars?

      Regards,
      Walter

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: eBay - jbjtreasures <jbjtre_hvwl4205piz@members. ebay.com>
      Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:30 PM
      Subject: Re: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      To: bayerw2@...


       

      New message from: jbjtreasures (193http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m44.l1183/7?euid=93c415e20c2e4ba88f31eccf6d1c87b3&bu=43163806008&loc=http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jbjtreasures&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS&sojTags=bu=bu)

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      Reply
      Dear hudsonhussarii,

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      - jbjtreasures

      Your previous message

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.



      From: hudsonhussarii
      To: jbjtreasures
      Subject: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      Sent Date: May-08-17 10:49:37 PDT

      Dear jbjtreasures,

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.

      - hudsonhussarii


      HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights

      http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=93c415e20c2e4ba88f31eccf6d1c87b3&bu=43163806008&loc=http://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/182564865131&sojTags=bu=bu
      Current Bid: $24.99
      Auction ends May 14, 2017 19:30 PDT
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      Group: vintageHO Message: 26302 From: louis niederlander Date: 5/10/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...

      I built a few 1/25th cars in my time also.  You can Google Authentic Model Turnpike and also look at their slot race set.  It had steerable cars.  Big $$$ back in the 60's.


      Louis N




      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Victor Bitleris bitlerisvj@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 3:21 PM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
       


      Growing up in Detroit I must have bought hundreds of these at $1.25 each.  But, I was under the impression it was American METAL Toys, Troy Mi.  I believe a Hobby Shop owner told me that.  That is what I remember.  I also wondered WHY METAL.  But looking at the history they did make the model cars in metal in the 1930's and 40's.


      Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Walter Bayer II bayerw2@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 6:21 PM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
       
       

      RAY, DON, ET AL.,

      Thanks for the useful info.

      I owned several AMT cars, and I still own the baggage car, which I am "super-detailing" (adding handrails, roof vents, etc.). The bottom of the floor casting clearly states, in LARGE CAPS, "AMERICAN MODEL TOYS". 

      I thought the trucks on the AMT cars were very nicely detailed, very good looking. But the trick bolster especially suffered from severe zinc pest. I substituted trucks from Railway Classics, Inc., #TR11. They are a close match!

      Regards,
      Walter

      On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:59 PM, eriepacific@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Walter,
       
      Well at least jbjtreasures is honest about it, when they stated they found a KMT stamping.  As far as I've determined through reports of the HO SC&H SIG, there were two companies; AMT (American Model Toys) which started in the early 1950's and KMT (K * M * T), produced by Kusan (Auburn/Kusan) in the late 1950's -- in Nashville, TN -- not a Japanese company.  While I couldn't say if the KMT passenger cars were "copies," as in deliberate copies, KTM passenger car construction was very similar to that of AMT, in that the sides were heavy aluminum.  The underframe and ends were diecast metal.   Both AMT and KTM produced only shortened (70') versions of these streamlined passenger cars they produced, although not consider as "shorties" (60' to 65'), while both companies offered only the same six cars without a vista (or strata) dome or RPO.  Too, both companies illuminated their cars and both companies used (only) metal Santa Fe name plates. 
       
      While I'm not sure if AMT produced models in O scale, KMT did.  The passenger car models that KMT produced in HO scale were -- with catalog numbers -- HO 202 Pullman-Roomette, HO 203 Diner, HO 205 Observation, HO 206 Day Coach, HO 207 Combination (Baggage/Coach) and HO 208 Baggage.  A minor difference was that AMT's roomette was called a Bedroom-Roomette.  Not helping you with this issue, but still adding to the knowledge of what KMT produced, they also offered two different ATSF passenger sets, with an F-7 (Catalog # 22) as power.  One (3-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe El Capitan consisted of the Combine, Day Coach and Observation while the second (5-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe Super Chief consisted of the Baggage, Day Coach, Diner, Pullman-Roomette and Observation.  
       
      One feature of AMT kits is that the two sockets (for illumination) were cast integral with the floor (they were part of the floor casting).  I notice by this eBay site that these KMT kits came with separate bulb sockets on brackets.  Otherwise, the illumination was similar.  This is one major difference though, and there is one other notable difference, however you would need to have a sample of both manufactures on hand, and that is that the screw mounting holes were different from one manufacturer to the other.  But just going by the separate bulb sockets, it can be seen that these are not AMT cars even though quite similar.  BTW, I've bought from this eBay seller (recently) and found them to be reliable, even though they didn't follow my packing instructions; they used a padded envelope instead of a more protective corrugated shipping carton for a Kar Line kit I purchased (it arrived okay, luckily). 
       
      Ray Wetzel       
       
       
      In a message dated 5/9/2017 12:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
       

      Dear Vintage H0 friends,

      I am forwarding a brief exchange with an eBay seller. Would anyone care to comment? Are there KMT copies of AMT passenger cars?

      Regards,
      Walter

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: eBay - jbjtreasures <jbjtre_hvwl4205piz@members. ebay.com>
      Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:30 PM
      Subject: Re: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      To: bayerw2@...


       

      New message from: jbjtreasures (193http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m44.l1183/7?euid=93c415e20c2e4ba88f31eccf6d1c87b3&bu=43163806008&loc=http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jbjtreasures&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS&sojTags=bu=bu)

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      Reply
      Dear hudsonhussarii,

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      - jbjtreasures

      Your previous message

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.



      From: hudsonhussarii
      To: jbjtreasures
      Subject: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      Sent Date: May-08-17 10:49:37 PDT

      Dear jbjtreasures,

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.

      - hudsonhussarii


      HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights

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      Group: vintageHO Message: 26303 From: Gary Woodard Date: 5/10/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
      AMT is still around, now owned and operated by Round 2 Models, they still produce 1/25 scale plastic cars and trucks, they also own Lindburg, MPC and now have some sort of collaboration with Classic Metal Works, the producer of HO and N scale model vehicles, the original name for AMT was Aluminum Model Toys, as their first products were basically cast aluminum toys and models, they later got involved with making Dealer promos, and ultimately started producing the early promos as kits for the hobby market, and as time marched on, their models have become much more detailed, (as of the 1960's), as a model car builder myself, its been fun to watch all the banter about the old AMT, to my knowledge, I don't know whether or not they ever produced any model railroad related items, they very well could have over the years, however, in their current configuration, most of what Round 2 is releasing is many of the older plastic car kits, including many of the cool Trophy Series kits, unfortunately, they are no longer priced at $1.25, its now between $25 and $30 a kit now! Thank God for the 40% off coupon at Hobby Lobby that comes up every week on my Hobby Lobby App!

      Gary W



      Click HERE http://www.eeinternational.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=31469 to answer life's two most important questions!


      On Wednesday, May 10, 2017, 12:33:43 PM EDT, louis niederlander l_niederlander@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      I built a few 1/25th cars in my time also.  You can Google Authentic Model Turnpike and also look at their slot race set.  It had steerable cars.  Big $$$ back in the 60's.


      Louis N




      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Victor Bitleris bitlerisvj@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 3:21 PM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
       


      Growing up in Detroit I must have bought hundreds of these at $1.25 each.  But, I was under the impression it was American METAL Toys, Troy Mi.  I believe a Hobby Shop owner told me that.  That is what I remember.  I also wondered WHY METAL.  But looking at the history they did make the model cars in metal in the 1930's and 40's.


      Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Walter Bayer II bayerw2@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 6:21 PM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
       
       

      RAY, DON, ET AL.,

      Thanks for the useful info.

      I owned several AMT cars, and I still own the baggage car, which I am "super-detailing" (adding handrails, roof vents, etc.). The bottom of the floor casting clearly states, in LARGE CAPS, "AMERICAN MODEL TOYS". 

      I thought the trucks on the AMT cars were very nicely detailed, very good looking. But the trick bolster especially suffered from severe zinc pest. I substituted trucks from Railway Classics, Inc., #TR11. They are a close match!

      Regards,
      Walter

      On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:59 PM, eriepacific@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Walter,
       
      Well at least jbjtreasures is honest about it, when they stated they found a KMT stamping.  As far as I've determined through reports of the HO SC&H SIG, there were two companies; AMT (American Model Toys) which started in the early 1950's and KMT (K * M * T), produced by Kusan (Auburn/Kusan) in the late 1950's -- in Nashville, TN -- not a Japanese company.  While I couldn't say if the KMT passenger cars were "copies," as in deliberate copies, KTM passenger car construction was very similar to that of AMT, in that the sides were heavy aluminum.  The underframe and ends were diecast metal.   Both AMT and KTM produced only shortened (70') versions of these streamlined passenger cars they produced, although not consider as "shorties" (60' to 65'), while both companies offered only the same six cars without a vista (or strata) dome or RPO.  Too, both companies illuminated their cars and both companies used (only) metal Santa Fe name plates. 
       
      While I'm not sure if AMT produced models in O scale, KMT did.  The passenger car models that KMT produced in HO scale were -- with catalog numbers -- HO 202 Pullman-Roomette, HO 203 Diner, HO 205 Observation, HO 206 Day Coach, HO 207 Combination (Baggage/Coach) and HO 208 Baggage.  A minor difference was that AMT's roomette was called a Bedroom-Roomette.  Not helping you with this issue, but still adding to the knowledge of what KMT produced, they also offered two different ATSF passenger sets, with an F-7 (Catalog # 22) as power.  One (3-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe El Capitan consisted of the Combine, Day Coach and Observation while the second (5-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe Super Chief consisted of the Baggage, Day Coach, Diner, Pullman-Roomette and Observation.  
       
      One feature of AMT kits is that the two sockets (for illumination) were cast integral with the floor (they were part of the floor casting).  I notice by this eBay site that these KMT kits came with separate bulb sockets on brackets.  Otherwise, the illumination was similar.  This is one major difference though, and there is one other notable difference, however you would need to have a sample of both manufactures on hand, and that is that the screw mounting holes were different from one manufacturer to the other.  But just going by the separate bulb sockets, it can be seen that these are not AMT cars even though quite similar.  BTW, I've bought from this eBay seller (recently) and found them to be reliable, even though they didn't follow my packing instructions; they used a padded envelope instead of a more protective corrugated shipping carton for a Kar Line kit I purchased (it arrived okay, luckily). 
       
      Ray Wetzel       
       
       
      In a message dated 5/9/2017 12:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
       

      Dear Vintage H0 friends,

      I am forwarding a brief exchange with an eBay seller. Would anyone care to comment? Are there KMT copies of AMT passenger cars?

      Regards,
      Walter

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: eBay - jbjtreasures <jbjtre_hvwl4205piz@members. ebay.com>
      Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:30 PM
      Subject: Re: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      To: bayerw2@...


       

      New message from: jbjtreasures (193http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m44.l1183/7?euid=93c415e20c2e4ba88f31eccf6d1c87b3&bu=43163806008&loc=http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jbjtreasures&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS&sojTags=bu=bu)

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet
      Reply
      Dear hudsonhussarii,

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      - jbjtreasures

      Your previous message

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.



      From: hudsonhussarii
      To: jbjtreasures
      Subject: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      Sent Date: May-08-17 10:49:37 PDT

      Dear jbjtreasures,

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.

      - hudsonhussarii


      HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights

      http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=93c415e20c2e4ba88f31eccf6d1c87b3&bu=43163806008&loc=http://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/182564865131&sojTags=bu=bu
      Current Bid: $24.99
      Auction ends May 14, 2017 19:30 PDT
      Bids: 1
      Free Shipping
      Place bid

      Get to know the seller jbjtreasures

      Located: seven hills, OH, United States
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      Group: vintageHO Message: 26304 From: louis niederlander Date: 5/10/2017
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...

      Thanks for the insight.  One can only hope that if they have Lindburg tooling that we may see trucks.


      Louis N




      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Gary Woodard betsy662@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:11 PM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
       


      AMT is still around, now owned and operated by Round 2 Models, they still produce 1/25 scale plastic cars and trucks, they also own Lindburg, MPC and now have some sort of collaboration with Classic Metal Works, the producer of HO and N scale model vehicles, the original name for AMT was Aluminum Model Toys, as their first products were basically cast aluminum toys and models, they later got involved with making Dealer promos, and ultimately started producing the early promos as kits for the hobby market, and as time marched on, their models have become much more detailed, (as of the 1960's), as a model car builder myself, its been fun to watch all the banter about the old AMT, to my knowledge, I don't know whether or not they ever produced any model railroad related items, they very well could have over the years, however, in their current configuration, most of what Round 2 is releasing is many of the older plastic car kits, including many of the cool Trophy Series kits, unfortunately, they are no longer priced at $1.25, its now between $25 and $30 a kit now! Thank God for the 40% off coupon at Hobby Lobby that comes up every week on my Hobby Lobby App!

      Gary W



      Click HERE http://www.eeinternational.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=31469 to answer life's two most important questions!


      On Wednesday, May 10, 2017, 12:33:43 PM EDT, louis niederlander l_niederlander@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      I built a few 1/25th cars in my time also.  You can Google Authentic Model Turnpike and also look at their slot race set.  It had steerable cars.  Big $$$ back in the 60's.


      Louis N




      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Victor Bitleris bitlerisvj@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 3:21 PM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
       


      Growing up in Detroit I must have bought hundreds of these at $1.25 each.  But, I was under the impression it was American METAL Toys, Troy Mi.  I believe a Hobby Shop owner told me that.  That is what I remember.  I also wondered WHY METAL.  But looking at the history they did make the model cars in metal in the 1930's and 40's.


      Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC



      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Walter Bayer II bayerw2@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 6:21 PM
      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Fwd: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about ...
       
       

      RAY, DON, ET AL.,

      Thanks for the useful info.

      I owned several AMT cars, and I still own the baggage car, which I am "super-detailing" (adding handrails, roof vents, etc.). The bottom of the floor casting clearly states, in LARGE CAPS, "AMERICAN MODEL TOYS". 

      I thought the trucks on the AMT cars were very nicely detailed, very good looking. But the trick bolster especially suffered from severe zinc pest. I substituted trucks from Railway Classics, Inc., #TR11. They are a close match!

      Regards,
      Walter

      On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:59 PM, eriepacific@... [vintageHO] <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Walter,
       
      Well at least jbjtreasures is honest about it, when they stated they found a KMT stamping.  As far as I've determined through reports of the HO SC&H SIG, there were two companies; AMT (American Model Toys) which started in the early 1950's and KMT (K * M * T), produced by Kusan (Auburn/Kusan) in the late 1950's -- in Nashville, TN -- not a Japanese company.  While I couldn't say if the KMT passenger cars were "copies," as in deliberate copies, KTM passenger car construction was very similar to that of AMT, in that the sides were heavy aluminum.  The underframe and ends were diecast metal.   Both AMT and KTM produced only shortened (70') versions of these streamlined passenger cars they produced, although not consider as "shorties" (60' to 65'), while both companies offered only the same six cars without a vista (or strata) dome or RPO.  Too, both companies illuminated their cars and both companies used (only) metal Santa Fe name plates. 
       
      While I'm not sure if AMT produced models in O scale, KMT did.  The passenger car models that KMT produced in HO scale were -- with catalog numbers -- HO 202 Pullman-Roomette, HO 203 Diner, HO 205 Observation, HO 206 Day Coach, HO 207 Combination (Baggage/Coach) and HO 208 Baggage.  A minor difference was that AMT's roomette was called a Bedroom-Roomette.  Not helping you with this issue, but still adding to the knowledge of what KMT produced, they also offered two different ATSF passenger sets, with an F-7 (Catalog # 22) as power.  One (3-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe El Capitan consisted of the Combine, Day Coach and Observation while the second (5-car) set w/locomotive, named the Santa Fe Super Chief consisted of the Baggage, Day Coach, Diner, Pullman-Roomette and Observation.  
       
      One feature of AMT kits is that the two sockets (for illumination) were cast integral with the floor (they were part of the floor casting).  I notice by this eBay site that these KMT kits came with separate bulb sockets on brackets.  Otherwise, the illumination was similar.  This is one major difference though, and there is one other notable difference, however you would need to have a sample of both manufactures on hand, and that is that the screw mounting holes were different from one manufacturer to the other.  But just going by the separate bulb sockets, it can be seen that these are not AMT cars even though quite similar.  BTW, I've bought from this eBay seller (recently) and found them to be reliable, even though they didn't follow my packing instructions; they used a padded envelope instead of a more protective corrugated shipping carton for a Kar Line kit I purchased (it arrived okay, luckily). 
       
      Ray Wetzel       
       
       
      In a message dated 5/9/2017 12:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintageHO@yahoogroups.com writes:
       

      Dear Vintage H0 friends,

      I am forwarding a brief exchange with an eBay seller. Would anyone care to comment? Are there KMT copies of AMT passenger cars?

      Regards,
      Walter

      ---------- Forwarded message ----------
      From: eBay - jbjtreasures <jbjtre_hvwl4205piz@members. ebay.com>
      Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:30 PM
      Subject: Re: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      To: bayerw2@...


       

      New message from: jbjtreasures (193http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m44.l1183/7?euid=93c415e20c2e4ba88f31eccf6d1c87b3&bu=43163806008&loc=http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jbjtreasures&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS&sojTags=bu=bu)

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet
      Reply
      Dear hudsonhussarii,

      Hi ! I got the magnifying glass out to double check and it is KMT. Thank you for passing this info on in case that was the stamping, I really appreciate it! Janet

      - jbjtreasures

      Your previous message

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.



      From: hudsonhussarii
      To: jbjtreasures
      Subject: Details about item: hudsonhussarii sent a message about HO Vintage KMT Passenger and Baggage Cars set of 6 Unbuilt Unpainted w/lights #182564865131
      Sent Date: May-08-17 10:49:37 PDT

      Dear jbjtreasures,

      I think you meant, "AMT", for American Model Toys, not KMT, which is a Japanese company. The AMT cars are collectible vintage models.

      - hudsonhussarii