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Group: vintageHO Message: 4707 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4708 From: jay matz Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4709 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4710 From: Mike Sloane Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4711 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4712 From: erieberk Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4713 From: erieberk Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4714 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4715 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4716 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4717 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4718 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4719 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Happy 2008!!
Group: vintageHO Message: 4720 From: erieberk Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4721 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4722 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4723 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4724 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4725 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4726 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4727 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4728 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4729 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4730 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: [Vintage HO] Weldwood/Weldbond
Group: vintageHO Message: 4731 From: erieberk Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4732 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: [Vintage HO] Weldwood/Weldbond
Group: vintageHO Message: 4733 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4734 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4735 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 4736 From: John Hagen Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Classic Athearn F7 shells
Group: vintageHO Message: 4737 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4738 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4739 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4740 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4741 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4742 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4743 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4744 From: Jerry Prather Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4745 From: Jim Snyder Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Classic Athearn F7 shells
Group: vintageHO Message: 4746 From: Mike Sloane Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4747 From: erieberk Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4748 From: prrp5a Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4749 From: erieberk Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4750 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: A dealer with some old HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 4751 From: erieberk Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4752 From: erieberk Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4753 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 4754 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4755 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4756 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4757 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4758 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4759 From: erieberk Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4760 From: madchemep2@aol.com Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4761 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4762 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4763 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4764 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4765 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4766 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4767 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4768 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4769 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4770 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4771 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4772 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4773 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4774 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Varney Coach
Group: vintageHO Message: 4775 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Coach
Group: vintageHO Message: 4776 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4777 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Coach
Group: vintageHO Message: 4778 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4779 From: railwaymodeler Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4780 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4781 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4782 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4783 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4784 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4785 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Coach
Group: vintageHO Message: 4786 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4787 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4788 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4789 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4790 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4791 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4792 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4793 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4794 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 4795 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4796 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn
Group: vintageHO Message: 4797 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4798 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4799 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4800 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4801 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4802 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4803 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4804 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4805 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4806 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4807 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4808 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4809 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Walthers (was Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4810 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4811 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4812 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4813 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4814 From: erieberk Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Walthers (was Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4815 From: erieberk Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4816 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4817 From: erieberk Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4818 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4819 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers (was Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4820 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4821 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4822 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4823 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4824 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4825 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
Group: vintageHO Message: 4826 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4827 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Hart Gondolas
Group: vintageHO Message: 4828 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4829 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4830 From: erieberk Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4831 From: erieberk Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4832 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4833 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4834 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4835 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4836 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4837 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4838 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4839 From: Ray Hobin Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Rivarossi parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 4840 From: oljoeoh Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 4841 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 4842 From: jerrygart5 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 4843 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4844 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4845 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4846 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4847 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4848 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4849 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4850 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4851 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4852 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4853 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4854 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4855 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4856 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4857 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4858 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4859 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4860 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4861 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4862 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4863 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4864 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 4865 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: WRIGHT ENTERPRISES
Group: vintageHO Message: 4866 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4867 From: erieberk Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4868 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4869 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4870 From: erieberk Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4871 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
Group: vintageHO Message: 4872 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: American Beauty Pendulum Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4873 From: erieberk Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4874 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4875 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4876 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Strea
Group: vintageHO Message: 4877 From: Russ Shiel Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: McKean PS-1 boxcars
Group: vintageHO Message: 4878 From: maobuch@sbcglobal.net Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Model Traincars & Layout Forsale
Group: vintageHO Message: 4879 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: Model Traincars & Layout Forsale
Group: vintageHO Message: 4880 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Nice Train meet this weekend
Group: vintageHO Message: 4881 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: Model Traincars & Layout Forsale
Group: vintageHO Message: 4882 From: Paul Kayne Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: Nice Train meet this weekend
Group: vintageHO Message: 4883 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: FS: Older HO Cars & kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 4884 From: erieberk Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4885 From: Ian Garton Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Interiors for MDC Roundhouse Pullman Palace Cars?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4886 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4887 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4888 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4889 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Interiors for MDC Roundhouse Pullman Palace Cars?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4890 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4891 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4892 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4893 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4894 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4895 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4896 From: erieberk Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4897 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4898 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4899 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4900 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4901 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4902 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4903 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: mystery car
Group: vintageHO Message: 4904 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4905 From: erieberk Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4906 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4907 From: Ian Garton Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Interiors for MDC Roundhouse Pullman Palace Cars?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4908 From: erieberk Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4909 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4910 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4911 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: spam warnings
Group: vintageHO Message: 4912 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Fw: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4913 From: Sean Naylor Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: spam warnings
Group: vintageHO Message: 4914 From: jimbartelt@sbcglobal.net Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: spam warnings
Group: vintageHO Message: 4915 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: warnings
Group: vintageHO Message: 4916 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Warnings
Group: vintageHO Message: 4917 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: Warnings
Group: vintageHO Message: 4918 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: warnings
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Subject: Re: Silver Streak
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Subject: Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4921 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Silver Streak
Group: vintageHO Message: 4922 From: rcjge Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Endless amounts of untrimmed text.....
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Subject: Re: spam warnings
Group: vintageHO Message: 4924 From: kilbeggan68 Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Just the facts
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Subject: Re: Just the facts
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Subject: Re: Just the facts
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Subject: Re: Just the facts
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Subject: YOUR WORK IS MOST APPRECIATED!
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Subject: Re: Just the facts
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Subject: attn Don
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Subject: Re: attn Don
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Subject: Re: Just the facts
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Subject: Re: Just the facts
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Subject: Re: attn Don
Group: vintageHO Message: 4936 From: wildwoodjct Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4937 From: cnj999 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4938 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4939 From: John Barlow Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 4940 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Mantua memories ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 4941 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 4942 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4943 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4944 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4945 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4946 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4947 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4948 From: John Hagen Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4949 From: John Hagen Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 4950 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: MANTUA PLASTIC/METAL
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Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4952 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 4953 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4954 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4955 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 4956 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: MANTUA PLASTIC/METAL
Group: vintageHO Message: 4957 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 4958 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: was: Mantua Memories - odd couplers
Group: vintageHO Message: 4959 From: jay matz Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 4960 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4961 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4962 From: Denny Anspach Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: US Hobbies/KTM O gauge
Group: vintageHO Message: 4963 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4964 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4965 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4966 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4967 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4968 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4969 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4970 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4971 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4972 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: US Hobbies/KTM O gauge
Group: vintageHO Message: 4973 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4974 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4975 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4976 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4977 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4978 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4979 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4980 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: US Hobbies/KTM O gauge
Group: vintageHO Message: 4981 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4982 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4983 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4984 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4985 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4986 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4987 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4988 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4989 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4990 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4991 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: US Hobbies/KTM O gauge
Group: vintageHO Message: 4992 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4993 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Fwd: [vintageHO] Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 4994 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fwd: [vintageHO] Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 4995 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4996 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Model Railroader mag O.T.; was Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4997 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Model Railroader O.T. - was Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4998 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 4999 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5000 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
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Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5002 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5003 From: Glen Thomas Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5004 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5005 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5006 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5007 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5008 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5009 From: John Hagen Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5010 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5011 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5012 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Model Railroader mag O.T.; was Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5013 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Model Railroader O.T. - was Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5014 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5015 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5016 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5017 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5018 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5019 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: re Mantua memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5020 From: erieberk Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5021 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5022 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5023 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5024 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: re Mantua memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5025 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5026 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5027 From: Glen Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5028 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5029 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5030 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
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Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5032 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: re Mantua memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5033 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
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Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5035 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5036 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Model Railroader mag O.T.: was Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5037 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5038 From: John Hagen Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5039 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5040 From: Glen Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5041 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5042 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5043 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5044 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5045 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5046 From: railwaymodeler Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5047 From: John Hagen Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5048 From: John Hagen Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5049 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5050 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5051 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Model Railroader mag O.T.: was Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5052 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5053 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5054 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5055 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5056 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5057 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5058 From: erieberk Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5059 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5060 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5061 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5062 From: bongiovanni12001 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Mantua Memories/Varney
Group: vintageHO Message: 5063 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5064 From: Mary Long Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5065 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5066 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5067 From: Glen Thomas Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5068 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5069 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5070 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5071 From: erieberk Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5072 From: erieberk Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5073 From: erieberk Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Model Railroader mag O.T.: was Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5074 From: erieberk Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5075 From: erieberk Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5076 From: erieberk Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories/Varney
Group: vintageHO Message: 5077 From: erieberk Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5078 From: erieberk Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5079 From: Glen Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5080 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5081 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snow
Group: vintageHO Message: 5082 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5083 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
Group: vintageHO Message: 5084 From: Ted Walton Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Files size of last two Digest formats
Group: vintageHO Message: 5085 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Model Railroader mag O.T.: was Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5086 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5087 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5088 From: Mary Long Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5089 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Russ's Hobby Shop
Group: vintageHO Message: 5090 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5091 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5092 From: Glen Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Russ's Hobby Shop
Group: vintageHO Message: 5093 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5094 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5095 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Vintage Hobby Shops
Group: vintageHO Message: 5096 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Not so common coach
Group: vintageHO Message: 5097 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5098 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Files size of last two Digest formats
Group: vintageHO Message: 5099 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Russ's Hobby Shop
Group: vintageHO Message: 5100 From: Walter Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Files size of last two Digest formats
Group: vintageHO Message: 5101 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5102 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5103 From: AL Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: semi-OT lurker question re: varney / life-like hoppers
Group: vintageHO Message: 5104 From: erieberk Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: semi-OT lurker question re: varney / life-like hoppers
Group: vintageHO Message: 5105 From: James Derr Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Question on old HO cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5106 From: Askerberg Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Paul Moore
Group: vintageHO Message: 5107 From: Jack Priller Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5108 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Question on old HO cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5109 From: Richard Moessner Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5110 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5111 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Paul Moore
Group: vintageHO Message: 5112 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Paul Moore
Group: vintageHO Message: 5113 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5114 From: Jack Priller Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5115 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5116 From: AL Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: life like / varney cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5117 From: Jack Priller Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5118 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5119 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5120 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5121 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5122 From: pvande1@comcast.net Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5123 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5124 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Item For Sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5125 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Hobbytown resin shells?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5126 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5127 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5128 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5129 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5130 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: PA's for sale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5131 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown resin shells?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5132 From: erieberk Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: life like / varney cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5133 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: life like / varney cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5134 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown resin shells?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5135 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown resin shells?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5136 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown resin shells?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5137 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown resin shells?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5138 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5139 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5140 From: madchemep2@aol.com Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: life like / varney cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5141 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5142 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5143 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5144 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: life like / varney cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5145 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: PRR R1 4899
Group: vintageHO Message: 5146 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: PRR R1 4899
Group: vintageHO Message: 5147 From: Denny Anspach Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5148 From: erieberk Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: life like / varney cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5149 From: erieberk Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5150 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5151 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5152 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5153 From: John Hagen Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5154 From: Howard R Garner Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5155 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5156 From: railwaymodeler Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5157 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5158 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5159 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5160 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5161 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5162 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown resin shells?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5163 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5164 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5165 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5166 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5167 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5168 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown resin shells?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5169 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5170 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5171 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5172 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5173 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5174 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5175 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5176 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5177 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5178 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5179 From: louiskgreiff Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Metal Freight Car of Unknown Manufacture
Group: vintageHO Message: 5180 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5181 From: Denny Anspach Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5182 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5183 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5184 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5185 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5186 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5187 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5188 From: earlyrail Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5189 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5190 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5191 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5192 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5193 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5194 From: erieberk Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Freight Car of Unknown Manufacture
Group: vintageHO Message: 5195 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5196 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5197 From: Bill Daley Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5198 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5199 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5200 From: earlyrail Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5201 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5202 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5203 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5204 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5205 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5206 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5207 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5208 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Freight Car of Unknown Manufacture
Group: vintageHO Message: 5209 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5210 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5211 From: Raymond Lorts Sr Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Is Raymond Your Friend? Please Respond!!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5212 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Mantua transition tender ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5213 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5214 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Is Raymond Your Friend? Please Respond!!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5215 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua transition tender ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5216 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5217 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5218 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Mantua transition tender ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5219 From: earlyrail Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks (MAx Gray 2-8-2)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5220 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua transition tender ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5221 From: MRLENGAL2U@aol.com Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua transition tender ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5222 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua transition tender ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5223 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua transition tender ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5224 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5225 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5226 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua transition tender ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5227 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Is Raymond Your Friend? Please Respond!!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5228 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua transition tender ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5229 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5230 From: erieberk Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5231 From: erieberk Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5232 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks (MAx Gray 2-8-2)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5233 From: erieberk Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5234 From: erieberk Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5235 From: Rick Jones Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5236 From: erieberk Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Freight Car of Unknown Manufacture
Group: vintageHO Message: 5237 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5238 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5239 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5240 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5241 From: erieberk Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5242 From: erieberk Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5243 From: oljoeoh Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Kaydees on Cary/Athearn chassis
Group: vintageHO Message: 5244 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5245 From: Wobbly913 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Kaydees on Cary/Athearn chassis
Group: vintageHO Message: 5246 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5247 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5248 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Kaydees on Cary/Athearn chassis
Group: vintageHO Message: 5249 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Kaydees on Cary/Athearn chassis
Group: vintageHO Message: 5250 From: erieberk Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5251 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Kaydees on Cary/Athearn chassis
Group: vintageHO Message: 5252 From: Denny Anspach Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 5253 From: erieberk Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5254 From: wildwoodjct Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Train-Miniature Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5255 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Clean-up, odds and ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 5256 From: Jerry Prather Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5257 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5258 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Clean-up, odds and ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 5259 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5260 From: rayzef Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Max Gray
Group: vintageHO Message: 5261 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5262 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: TRAIN MINATURE - TRAIN-MASTER
Group: vintageHO Message: 5263 From: railwaymodeler Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5264 From: Jerry Prather Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5265 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5266 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5267 From: Al Campbell Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Kar-Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 5268 From: John Barlow Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: From TM to Prototype Sighting (was: Train-Miniature Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5269 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Brass - Cast Transitional Mantua Pacific/Atlantic Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 5270 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: From TM to Prototype Sighting (was: Train-Miniature Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5271 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: From TM to Prototype Sighting (was: Train-Miniature Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5272 From: John Barlow Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: From TM to Prototype Sighting (was: Train-Miniature Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5273 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: From TM to Prototype Sighting (was: Train-Miniature Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5274 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: From TM to Prototype Sighting (was: Train-Miniature Memories)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5275 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Vintage Freightcar and Water Tower
Group: vintageHO Message: 5276 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Freightcar and Water Tower
Group: vintageHO Message: 5277 From: MaryAnn Obuch Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Items Forsale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5278 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5279 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5280 From: Maryann Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: HO Scale Items Forsale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5281 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Freightcar and Water Tower
Group: vintageHO Message: 5282 From: Russ Shiel Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Freightcar and Water Tower
Group: vintageHO Message: 5283 From: Russ Shiel Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: dating the Tenshodo/New One GN car
Group: vintageHO Message: 5284 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Freightcar and Water Tower
Group: vintageHO Message: 5285 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Freightcar and Water Tower
Group: vintageHO Message: 5286 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Freightcar and Water Tower
Group: vintageHO Message: 5287 From: erieberk Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Freightcar and Water Tower
Group: vintageHO Message: 5288 From: erieberk Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Freightcar and Water Tower
Group: vintageHO Message: 5289 From: erieberk Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Freightcar and Water Tower
Group: vintageHO Message: 5290 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5291 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5292 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: GN Metal Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5293 From: erieberk Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: GN Metal Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5294 From: Garry Spear Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5295 From: erieberk Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: GN Metal Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5296 From: erieberk Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5297 From: erieberk Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Kar-Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 5298 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: GN Metal Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5299 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5300 From: erieberk Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: GN Metal Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5301 From: erieberk Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5302 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5303 From: rayzef Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: GN Boxcar 10094
Group: vintageHO Message: 5304 From: erieberk Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5305 From: erieberk Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: GN Boxcar 10094
Group: vintageHO Message: 5306 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5307 From: erieberk Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5308 From: erieberk Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5309 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5310 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5311 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5312 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5313 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Couplers
Group: vintageHO Message: 5314 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5315 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5316 From: railwaymodeler Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: vintageHO Message: 5317 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: vintageHO Message: 5318 From: Rick Jones Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Kadee #4s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5319 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee #4s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5320 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee #4s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5321 From: railwaymodeler Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee #4s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5322 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee #4s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5323 From: rayzef Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: GN Boxcar 10094
Group: vintageHO Message: 5324 From: Tom Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5325 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5326 From: Tom Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5327 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5328 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: More HO DC Locos for sale (cleaning house again)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5329 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: More HO DC Locos for sale (cleaning house again)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5330 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: More HO DC Locos for sale (cleaning house again)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5331 From: Tom Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5332 From: mikearmadilloaviation Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: HOBBYTOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5333 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBYTOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5334 From: Tom Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: More HO DC Locos for sale (cleaning house again)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5335 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBYTOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5336 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBYTOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5337 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBYTOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5338 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBYTOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5339 From: lawrencehokanson Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5340 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5341 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5342 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5343 From: Philip Martin Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5344 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5345 From: Glen Thomas Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5346 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5347 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5348 From: Glen Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5349 From: Glen Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5350 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5351 From: Glen Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5352 From: oahurailway Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: LaBelle Woodworking
Group: vintageHO Message: 5353 From: Rick Jones Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5354 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5355 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5356 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5357 From: mikearmadilloaviation Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: HOBBY TOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5358 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5359 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY TOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5360 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY TOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5361 From: erieberk Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5362 From: erieberk Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5363 From: erieberk Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5364 From: erieberk Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: GN Boxcar 10094
Group: vintageHO Message: 5365 From: erieberk Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5366 From: erieberk Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5367 From: Garry Spear Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5368 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5369 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5370 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: Metal GN Boxcar Underbody Photo
Group: vintageHO Message: 5371 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY TOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5372 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY TOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5373 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5374 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY TOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5375 From: Tom Hare Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5376 From: erieberk Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5377 From: Sean Naylor Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5378 From: Tom Hare Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5379 From: Tom Hare Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5380 From: Graeme Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5381 From: Denny Anspach Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: HOBBY TOWN
Group: vintageHO Message: 5382 From: Denny Anspach Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5383 From: Louis Greiff Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5384 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5385 From: erieberk Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader Parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 5386 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5387 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5388 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5389 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5390 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5391 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5392 From: Glen Thomas Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5393 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5394 From: railwaymodeler Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5395 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5396 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5397 From: Ray Marinaccio Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5398 From: John Hagen Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5399 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: OT for Fred's eyes only
Group: vintageHO Message: 5400 From: John Barlow Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits...the EBT Caboose...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5401 From: Rick Jones Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5402 From: oahurailway Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5403 From: Garry Spear Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Penn Line Crusader Available
Group: vintageHO Message: 5404 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5405 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits...the EBT Caboose...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5406 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5407 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Articulated almost-ACF streamliner
Group: vintageHO Message: 5408 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5409 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Articulated almost-ACF streamliner
Group: vintageHO Message: 5410 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5411 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5412 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5413 From: Denny Anspach Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: LaBelle wood kits...the EBT Caboose...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5414 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5415 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5416 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5417 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5418 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5419 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 5420 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5421 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5422 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5423 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Old Trix (HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5424 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5425 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5426 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5427 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5428 From: Mike Bauers Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5429 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trix (HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5430 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5431 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5432 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5433 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trix (HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5434 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5435 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5436 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5437 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trix (HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5438 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5439 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5440 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5441 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5442 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5443 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5444 From: erieberk Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5445 From: Garry Spear Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5446 From: erieberk Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined, was: Triang Passenger cars, OO scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 5447 From: erieberk Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5448 From: John Hagen Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: WRX Reefer Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5449 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: MDC Diecast Boxcar/ was: [vintageHO] Triang Passenger cars, OO s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5450 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Defined
Group: vintageHO Message: 5451 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Old Trix (HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5452 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5453 From: erieberk Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: WRX Reefer Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5454 From: John Hagen Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: WRX Reefer Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5455 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5456 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5457 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5458 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: MRC
Group: vintageHO Message: 5459 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5460 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5461 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: MRC
Group: vintageHO Message: 5462 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5463 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5464 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: cardboard sides
Group: vintageHO Message: 5465 From: garyp552002 Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Gilbert HO 040 Tank Locomotive
Group: vintageHO Message: 5466 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5467 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Picture of Boxcar
Group: vintageHO Message: 5468 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: MRC
Group: vintageHO Message: 5469 From: topstokes Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Crusader parts and vintage brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 5470 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Shakedown Run Video
Group: vintageHO Message: 5471 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: [HO] Shakedown Run Video
Group: vintageHO Message: 5472 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Old 1950s Stuff
Group: vintageHO Message: 5473 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Old 1950s Stuff
Group: vintageHO Message: 5474 From: John Hagen Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Old 1950s Stuff
Group: vintageHO Message: 5475 From: Ted Walton Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: trimming messages again
Group: vintageHO Message: 5476 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Old 1950s Stuff - Castor
Group: vintageHO Message: 5477 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Old 1950s Stuff - Castor
Group: vintageHO Message: 5478 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Shakedown Run Video
Group: vintageHO Message: 5479 From: Tom Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Athearn F7 PRR Shells
Group: vintageHO Message: 5480 From: Martin Rosenfeld Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: trimming messages again
Group: vintageHO Message: 5481 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Shakedown Run Video
Group: vintageHO Message: 5482 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Old 1950s Stuff - Castor
Group: vintageHO Message: 5483 From: Ray Hobin Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Railroad vehicles
Group: vintageHO Message: 5484 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Shakedown Run Video
Group: vintageHO Message: 5485 From: topstokes Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Railroad vehicles
Group: vintageHO Message: 5486 From: Garry Spear Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: FS: HObbyLine NKP Type Berkshire
Group: vintageHO Message: 5487 From: Garry Spear Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Canadian Cars - Metal MDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 5488 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Railroad vehicles
Group: vintageHO Message: 5489 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Railroad vehicles
Group: vintageHO Message: 5490 From: wildwoodjct Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5491 From: railwaymodeler Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5492 From: Ray Marinaccio Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5493 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5494 From: cnj999 Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5495 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Railroad vehicles
Group: vintageHO Message: 5496 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5497 From: curmudgeon Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5498 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5499 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5500 From: Graeme Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Tri-ang and Trix
Group: vintageHO Message: 5501 From: Graeme Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5502 From: Graeme Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Shakedown Run Video
Group: vintageHO Message: 5503 From: cnj999 Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5504 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5505 From: holat88 Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Wanted, Varney truck part
Group: vintageHO Message: 5506 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted, Varney truck part
Group: vintageHO Message: 5507 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Tri-ang and Trix
Group: vintageHO Message: 5508 From: wildwoodjct Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5509 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5510 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5511 From: Glenn476 Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5512 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5513 From: Walter Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5514 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5515 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5516 From: Dale Smith Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Amer Flyer HO 1938-41
Group: vintageHO Message: 5517 From: greendoddz Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Vintage Power Packs Redux
Group: vintageHO Message: 5518 From: greendoddz Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Power Packs Redux
Group: vintageHO Message: 5519 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Power Packs Redux
Group: vintageHO Message: 5520 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: The Weekly Withlacoochee River Report
Group: vintageHO Message: 5521 From: Rick Jones Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: The Weekly Withlacoochee River Report
Group: vintageHO Message: 5522 From: Neal Rammacher Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: The Weekly Withlacoochee River Report
Group: vintageHO Message: 5523 From: Jay Matz Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Ambroid kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5524 From: Glen Thomas Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5525 From: jay matz Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5526 From: Mark Mathu Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: WRX Reefer Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5527 From: Charles Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Castor Plastics
Group: vintageHO Message: 5528 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Castor Plastics
Group: vintageHO Message: 5529 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: WRX Reefer Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5530 From: John Hagen Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Castor Plastics
Group: vintageHO Message: 5531 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: E P ALEXANDER
Group: vintageHO Message: 5532 From: John Hagen Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: E P ALEXANDER
Group: vintageHO Message: 5533 From: erieberk Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: WRX Reefer Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5534 From: greendoddz Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Power Packs Redux
Group: vintageHO Message: 5535 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Castor Plastics
Group: vintageHO Message: 5536 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Power Packs Redux
Group: vintageHO Message: 5537 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: E P ALEXANDER
Group: vintageHO Message: 5538 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Castor Plastics
Group: vintageHO Message: 5539 From: greendoddz Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Power Packs Redux
Group: vintageHO Message: 5540 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Castor Plastics
Group: vintageHO Message: 5541 From: Mark Mathu Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: WRX Reefer Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5542 From: Mark Mathu Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: WRX Reefer Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5543 From: erieberk Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: WRX Reefer Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5544 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Castor Plastics
Group: vintageHO Message: 5545 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Just saw something
Group: vintageHO Message: 5546 From: earlyrail Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Vintage kits on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 5547 From: Riverboy Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Just saw something
Group: vintageHO Message: 5548 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Just saw something
Group: vintageHO Message: 5549 From: ottsm Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: What American Flyer HO Couplers are correct?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5550 From: Gerry Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5551 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5552 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5553 From: Gerry D Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5554 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Kadee#4
Group: vintageHO Message: 5555 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee#4
Group: vintageHO Message: 5556 From: BillyDee53@aol.com Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee#4
Group: vintageHO Message: 5557 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: What American Flyer HO Couplers are correct?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5558 From: greendoddz Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee#4
Group: vintageHO Message: 5559 From: Gerry D Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5560 From: garyp552002 Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Gilbert 040 Tank Locomotive Drawing
Group: vintageHO Message: 5561 From: Roger Aultman Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5562 From: Walter Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: What American Flyer HO Couplers are correct?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5563 From: Gary Woodard Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5564 From: don stokes Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert 040 Tank Locomotive Drawing
Group: vintageHO Message: 5565 From: Jay Matz Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Vintage web page
Group: vintageHO Message: 5566 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage web page
Group: vintageHO Message: 5567 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5568 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Gilbert 040 Tank Locomotive Drawing
Group: vintageHO Message: 5569 From: ottsm Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: What American Flyer HO Couplers are correct?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5570 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5571 From: jay matz Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage web page
Group: vintageHO Message: 5572 From: gary pardue Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert 040 Tank Locomotive Drawing
Group: vintageHO Message: 5573 From: rcjge Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Lionel HO Husky Chassis and bottom plate sought!?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5574 From: wb3iqe Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: A small puzzle
Group: vintageHO Message: 5575 From: Don Dellmann Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Varney streamliners.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5576 From: Gerry D Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: A small puzzle
Group: vintageHO Message: 5577 From: railwaymodeler Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Varney streamliners.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5578 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Gilbert, pre-X2F, die-cast metal couplers
Group: vintageHO Message: 5579 From: AL Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1168
Group: vintageHO Message: 5580 From: topstokes Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1168
Group: vintageHO Message: 5581 From: AL Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: vintage passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5582 From: AL Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: vintage passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5583 From: Riverboy Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: vintage passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5584 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Selling some interesting Varney items
Group: vintageHO Message: 5585 From: AL Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: vintage passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5586 From: topstokes Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: American Flyer 0-4-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5587 From: Sean Naylor Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Selling some interesting Varney items
Group: vintageHO Message: 5588 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: vintage passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5589 From: BillyDee53@aol.com Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: vintage passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5590 From: curmudgeon Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: vintage passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5591 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: vintage passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5592 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: For Varney collectors
Group: vintageHO Message: 5593 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: vintage passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5594 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: E P ALEXANDER
Group: vintageHO Message: 5595 From: Roger Aultman Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: E P ALEXANDER
Group: vintageHO Message: 5596 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5597 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Weekly Withlacoochee River Report & Resurrecting The Dinosaurs 2.1
Group: vintageHO Message: 5598 From: erieberk Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 5599 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: vintage passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5600 From: Don Grant Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5601 From: Gerry D Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: A bit of help here..
Group: vintageHO Message: 5602 From: wb3iqe Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: A small puzzle
Group: vintageHO Message: 5603 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: A small puzzle
Group: vintageHO Message: 5604 From: Gerry D Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: A small puzzle
Group: vintageHO Message: 5605 From: railwaymodeler Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Just saw something
Group: vintageHO Message: 5606 From: wb3iqe Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: A small puzzle
Group: vintageHO Message: 5607 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Resurrecting A Dinosaur With A Bit Of A Snag!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5608 From: Gerry D Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Resurrecting A Dinosaur With A Bit Of A Snag!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5609 From: Louis Greiff Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Athearn Metal Boxcars--First and Second Generation
Group: vintageHO Message: 5610 From: Gerry Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: don't that frost your cookies!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5611 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Resurrecting A Dinosaur With A Bit Of A Snag!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5612 From: Sean Naylor Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Mantua Pre-War 2-8-0 Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 5613 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Pre-War 2-8-0 Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 5614 From: Don Grant Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Resurrecting A Dinosaur With A Bit Of A Snag!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5615 From: John Hagen Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Pre-War 2-8-0 Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 5616 From: Sean Naylor Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Pre-War 2-8-0 Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 5617 From: wb3iqe Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: don't that frost your cookies!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5618 From: jay matz Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: don't that frost your cookies!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5619 From: jay matz Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: don't that frost your cookies!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5620 From: jay matz Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: don't that frost your cookies!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5621 From: John Hagen Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Loggers
Group: vintageHO Message: 5622 From: jay matz Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Loggers
Group: vintageHO Message: 5623 From: John Hagen Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Loggers
Group: vintageHO Message: 5624 From: Gerry D Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: don't that frost your cookies!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5625 From: nagrod47 Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Mantua 4-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 5626 From: railwaymodeler Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 5627 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2 - Gear Screw Loosening
Group: vintageHO Message: 5628 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 5629 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 5630 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 5631 From: Gerry D Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2 RE:HOLD ON THERE!!!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5632 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 5633 From: Roger Aultman Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 5634 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 5635 From: texpearson@AOL.com Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Holding small screws
Group: vintageHO Message: 5636 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2 RE:HOLD ON THERE!!!
Group: vintageHO Message: 5637 From: Rick Jones Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 5638 From: erieberk Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Metal Boxcars--First and Second Generation
Group: vintageHO Message: 5639 From: Rick Dorgan Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 5640 From: Louis Greiff Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Metal Boxcars--First and Second Generation
Group: vintageHO Message: 5641 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Holding small screws
Group: vintageHO Message: 5642 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Holding small screws
Group: vintageHO Message: 5643 From: Andrew Bell Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Mantua: locktite
Group: vintageHO Message: 5644 From: earlyrail Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: FS Central Lines kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 5645 From: Gerry D Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua: locktite
Group: vintageHO Message: 5646 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua: locktite
Group: vintageHO Message: 5647 From: FEZANDPAZ@aol.com Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Mantua: locktite
Group: vintageHO Message: 5648 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Weekly Withlacoochee River Report
Group: vintageHO Message: 5649 From: erieberk Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Metal Boxcars--First and Second Generation
Group: vintageHO Message: 5650 From: Louis Greiff Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Metal Boxcars--First and Second Generation
Group: vintageHO Message: 5651 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Wanted: Sample HO Passengers Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5652 From: Riverboy Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: Sample HO Passengers Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5653 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: Sample HO Passengers Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5654 From: oljoeoh Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua: locktite
Group: vintageHO Message: 5655 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: AHM Golden Car Series
Group: vintageHO Message: 5656 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Golden Car Series
Group: vintageHO Message: 5657 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Wanted: Sample HO Passengers Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5658 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5659 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5660 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5661 From: Louis Greiff Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5662 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5663 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5664 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5665 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5666 From: Neal Rammacher Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5667 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5668 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5669 From: Rick Jones Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5670 From: Roger Aultman Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5671 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5672 From: erieberk Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Metal Freight Cars, was: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5673 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5674 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5675 From: Gerry D Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5676 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5677 From: oljoe@landolls.com Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua: locktite
Group: vintageHO Message: 5678 From: oljoeoh Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua: locktite
Group: vintageHO Message: 5679 From: Gerry D Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5680 From: Denny Anspach Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5681 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5682 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5683 From: Gerry D Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5684 From: wildwoodjct Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: What's vintage (again)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5685 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: What's vintage (again)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5686 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5687 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5688 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5689 From: Glen Thomas Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5690 From: Mike Slater Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5691 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5692 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5693 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5694 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5695 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5696 From: Jim Snyder Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: The Good Things that Come to Those who wait...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5697 From: Mike Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Springfield Train Fair 2008 - April 6th
Group: vintageHO Message: 5698 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Weekly Withlacoochee River Report & Resurrecting Again
Group: vintageHO Message: 5699 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Good Things that Come to Those who wait...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5700 From: Sean Naylor Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Good Things that Come to Those who wait...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5701 From: John Hagen Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Good Things that Come to Those who wait...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5702 From: rcjge Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Good Things that Come to Those who wait...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5703 From: John Hagen Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Good Things that Come to Those who wait...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5704 From: Rick Dorgan Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Mantua 4-6-2 another question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5705 From: John Hagen Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2 another question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5706 From: railwaymodeler Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5707 From: John Barlow Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5708 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5709 From: AL Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: old varney gondola
Group: vintageHO Message: 5710 From: railwaymodeler Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5711 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5712 From: John Barlow Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5713 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5714 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Good Things that Come to Those who wait...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5715 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5716 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5717 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Good Things that Come to Those who wait...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5718 From: Garry Spear Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2 another question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5719 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Good Things that Come to Those who wait...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5720 From: railwaymodeler Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2 another question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5721 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5722 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2 another question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5723 From: Roger Aultman Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: The Good Things that Come to Those who wait...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5724 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2 another question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5725 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5726 From: Russ Shiel Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5727 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5728 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5729 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5730 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5731 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5732 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5733 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5734 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua 4-6-2 another question
Group: vintageHO Message: 5735 From: erieberk Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5736 From: Denny Anspach Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5737 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Binkley Models ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5738 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5739 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5740 From: John Hagen Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5741 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5742 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Dave F
Group: vintageHO Message: 5743 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Dave F - - - - Back to Charlie
Group: vintageHO Message: 5744 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5745 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5746 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5747 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5748 From: trainliker Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5749 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5750 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5751 From: railwaymodeler Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5752 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5753 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5754 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Disaster, Disaster
Group: vintageHO Message: 5755 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5756 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5757 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5758 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: (Old Passenger Cars...) Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5759 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5760 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5761 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5762 From: John Hagen Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5763 From: railwaymodeler Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5764 From: Scott Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: This Thursday for you CNJ fans
Group: vintageHO Message: 5765 From: Rick Jones Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: This Thursday for you CNJ fans
Group: vintageHO Message: 5766 From: Scott Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5767 From: Denny Anspach Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5768 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Dave F - - - - Back to Charlie
Group: vintageHO Message: 5769 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5770 From: Scott Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5771 From: Al Campbell Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5772 From: erieberk Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5773 From: Rick Jones Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5774 From: keith gutshall Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5775 From: Scott Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: This Thursday for you CNJ fans
Group: vintageHO Message: 5776 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: New aquisition, a bit strange.
Group: vintageHO Message: 5777 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Binkley Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 5778 From: Martin Rosenfeld Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5779 From: jay matz Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5780 From: Scott Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5781 From: Scott Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5782 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5783 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Golden Car Series
Group: vintageHO Message: 5784 From: keith gutshall Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5785 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5786 From: Jack Priller Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Trolley track
Group: vintageHO Message: 5787 From: John Hagen Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Trolley track
Group: vintageHO Message: 5788 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Tyco Trolley Track ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5789 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Trolley track
Group: vintageHO Message: 5790 From: Mike Sloane Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5791 From: John Hagen Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5792 From: trainliker Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5793 From: Mike Sloane Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5794 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5795 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re,.Re: [vintageHO] Tyco Trolley Track ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5796 From: Gerry D Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5797 From: AL Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: AHM watermelon car
Group: vintageHO Message: 5798 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: AHM watermelon car
Group: vintageHO Message: 5799 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re,.Re: [vintageHO] Tyco Trolley Track ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5800 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5801 From: Don Grant Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Trolley track
Group: vintageHO Message: 5802 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5803 From: Frank Weed Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Trolley track
Group: vintageHO Message: 5804 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: AHM watermelon car
Group: vintageHO Message: 5805 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5806 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5807 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5808 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5809 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Aerotrain/ Zephyr
Group: vintageHO Message: 5810 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Aerotrain/ Zephyr
Group: vintageHO Message: 5811 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5812 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5813 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5814 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5815 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5816 From: Tom Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Penn Line G-5 4-6-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5817 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5818 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line G-5 4-6-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5819 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Pennline G5 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5820 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line G-5 4-6-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5821 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5822 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line G-5 4-6-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5823 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pennline G5 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5824 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5825 From: Tom Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Pennline G5 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5826 From: AL Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: watermellon cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 5827 From: erieberk Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Pennline G5 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5828 From: Tom Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Pennline G5 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5829 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line G-5 4-6-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5830 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5831 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5832 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5833 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5834 From: John Hagen Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line G-5 4-6-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5835 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5836 From: Gerry D Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5837 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5838 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5839 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5840 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line G-5 4-6-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5841 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line G-5 4-6-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5842 From: Roger Aultman Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Fw: [vintageHO] Re: Penn Line G-5 4-6-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5843 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Pennline G5 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5844 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line G-5 4-6-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 5845 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5846 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5847 From: John Hagen Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5848 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5849 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5850 From: John Hagen Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5851 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5852 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5853 From: John Hagen Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5854 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5855 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5856 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5857 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Scrap Yards and Diesel Cabs in the Basement
Group: vintageHO Message: 5858 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5859 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Scrap Yards and Diesel Cabs in the Basement
Group: vintageHO Message: 5860 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5861 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5862 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5863 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5864 From: trainliker Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: adding you in your layout...
Group: vintageHO Message: 5865 From: Scott Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: RailBox, ummmm JailBox???
Group: vintageHO Message: 5866 From: James Bartelt Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: RailBox, ummmm JailBox???
Group: vintageHO Message: 5867 From: Scott Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: RailBox, ummmm JailBox???
Group: vintageHO Message: 5868 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5869 From: busgrouches Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5870 From: John Hagen Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5871 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5872 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5873 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5874 From: John Hagen Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: OOPS. Correction to message #5853
Group: vintageHO Message: 5875 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: New File
Group: vintageHO Message: 5876 From: John Hagen Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5877 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5878 From: Bill Daley Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5879 From: Bill Daley Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5880 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: New File
Group: vintageHO Message: 5881 From: Frank Weed Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5882 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: New File
Group: vintageHO Message: 5883 From: Sean Naylor Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5884 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5885 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5886 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5887 From: Sean Naylor Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5888 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5889 From: MRLENGAL2U@aol.com Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5890 From: Mike Sloane Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5891 From: Mike Sloane Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5892 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5893 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5894 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5895 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5896 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5897 From: Gerry D Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5898 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5899 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5900 From: Gerry D Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5901 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5902 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Metal Engine Bodies
Group: vintageHO Message: 5903 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5904 From: Gerry D Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5905 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5906 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Charlie: Black Marias, DL-203s
Group: vintageHO Message: 5907 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5908 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: SCRAP YARD PHOTOS POSTED IN ALBUM "0 DIESEL GRAVEYARD"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5909 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5910 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5911 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5912 From: Rick Jones Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5913 From: Gerry D Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5914 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: FEC E7
Group: vintageHO Message: 5915 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: FEC E7
Group: vintageHO Message: 5916 From: Tom Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5917 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Kadee's and Vintage Operating -- was:Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5918 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5919 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5920 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5921 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5922 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee's and Vintage Operating -- was:Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5923 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Kadee's and Vintage Operating -- was:Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5924 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5925 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5926 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5927 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5928 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5929 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5930 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5931 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee's and Vintage Operating -- was:Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5932 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction (Vintage HO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 5933 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5934 From: cnj999 Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5935 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5936 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5937 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5938 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5939 From: Gerry D Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5940 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5941 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5942 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5943 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5944 From: John Barlow Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5945 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5946 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5947 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5948 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5949 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5950 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5951 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5952 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5953 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5954 From: Rick Jones Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5955 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5956 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5957 From: Martin Rosenfeld Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5958 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Limited Edition Passenger Car follow-up
Group: vintageHO Message: 5959 From: AL Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5960 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Vintage HO and DCC -- was: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5961 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO and DCC
Group: vintageHO Message: 5962 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Weekly (Very Weakly), Withlacoochee River Report
Group: vintageHO Message: 5963 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5964 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO and DCC
Group: vintageHO Message: 5965 From: John Hagen Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5966 From: Dst8596587@aol.com Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO and DCC
Group: vintageHO Message: 5967 From: erieberk Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5968 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO and DCC
Group: vintageHO Message: 5969 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5970 From: Sean Naylor Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5971 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5972 From: Gerry D Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5973 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5974 From: Wobbly913 Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5975 From: cnj999 Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5976 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 5977 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: New Thread"Beating Dead Horse"
Group: vintageHO Message: 5978 From: Charles Windes Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee's and Vintage Operating -- was:Re: New Guy
Group: vintageHO Message: 5979 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Back to Gary
Group: vintageHO Message: 5980 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Gary - P1K F3s gears
Group: vintageHO Message: 5981 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5982 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Gary - P1K F3s gears
Group: vintageHO Message: 5983 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Back to Gary
Group: vintageHO Message: 5984 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO and DCC
Group: vintageHO Message: 5985 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO and DCC
Group: vintageHO Message: 5986 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Gary - P1K F3s gears
Group: vintageHO Message: 5987 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5988 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Back to Gary
Group: vintageHO Message: 5989 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Gary - P1K F3s gears
Group: vintageHO Message: 5990 From: AL Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1199
Group: vintageHO Message: 5991 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Gary - P1K F3s gears
Group: vintageHO Message: 5992 From: AL Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1202
Group: vintageHO Message: 5993 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Gary - P1K F3s gears
Group: vintageHO Message: 5994 From: Rick Jones Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5995 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Back to Chuck K
Group: vintageHO Message: 5996 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 5997 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1199
Group: vintageHO Message: 5998 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Back to Chuck K
Group: vintageHO Message: 5999 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO and DCC
Group: vintageHO Message: 6000 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1199
Group: vintageHO Message: 6001 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Back to Chuck K
Group: vintageHO Message: 6002 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1202
Group: vintageHO Message: 6003 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1199
Group: vintageHO Message: 6004 From: Dale Hokanson Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6005 From: Morgan Smith Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: prices
Group: vintageHO Message: 6006 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Is the new HO really that expensive?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6007 From: Steven Winter Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1199
Group: vintageHO Message: 6008 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Reply to Gerold
Group: vintageHO Message: 6009 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: El Capitan memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 6010 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: El Capitan memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 6011 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: El Capitan memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 6012 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: El Capitan memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 6013 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: For Sale: Vintage HO "old time" autos (Rare)
Group: vintageHO Message: 6014 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: For Sale: Mantua 0-4-0
Group: vintageHO Message: 6015 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: El Capitan memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 6016 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: El Capitan memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 6017 From: Rick Jones Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Back to Chuck K
Group: vintageHO Message: 6018 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: El Capitan memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 6019 From: Gary Woodard Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6020 From: James B Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: HO brass locomotive Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 6021 From: Gerry D Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6022 From: Mike Sloane Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6023 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6024 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: El Capitan memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 6025 From: morgantownrr Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: value of crane
Group: vintageHO Message: 6026 From: Gerry D Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: value of crane
Group: vintageHO Message: 6027 From: Sean Naylor Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: value of crane
Group: vintageHO Message: 6028 From: James Bartelt Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: value of crane
Group: vintageHO Message: 6029 From: Sean Naylor Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: value of crane
Group: vintageHO Message: 6030 From: Wobbly913 Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: value of crane
Group: vintageHO Message: 6031 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: El Capitan memories
Group: vintageHO Message: 6032 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: value of crane
Group: vintageHO Message: 6033 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: HO brass locomotive Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 6034 From: AL Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: train club auction finds
Group: vintageHO Message: 6035 From: bongiovanni12001 Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Brass locoomotive question
Group: vintageHO Message: 6036 From: Denny Anspach Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: HO brass locomotive Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 6037 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Mantua memories ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6039 From: Don Dellmann Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: prices Stop making stupid statements
Group: vintageHO Message: 6040 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6041 From: Howard R Garner Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: HO brass locomotive Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 6042 From: Gerry D Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6043 From: Mike Bauers Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6044 From: legiscircenses1 Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Varney metal streamliner passenger car couplers.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6045 From: Gerry D Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6046 From: Glenn476 Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Varney metal streamliner passenger car couplers.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6047 From: Mike Bauers Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6048 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: HO brass locomotive Question
Group: vintageHO Message: 6049 From: Gerry D Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6050 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: train club auction finds - trucks for Central Lines kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6051 From: Mike Bauers Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6052 From: railwaymodeler Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6053 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6054 From: Gerry D Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6055 From: Gerry D Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6056 From: Mike Bauers Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6057 From: John Barlow Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Seconding Vinegar (Was: HO brass locomotive Question)
Group: vintageHO Message: 6058 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Seconding Vinegar (Was: HO brass locomotive Question)
Group: vintageHO Message: 6059 From: Ted Walton Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6060 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6061 From: Mike Bauers Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Some Enter TRAINMENT !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6062 From: Denny Anspach Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: train club auction finds - trucks for Central Lines kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6063 From: Stephen Lengal Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Vintage HO Athearn Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 6064 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO Athearn Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 6065 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO Athearn Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 6066 From: Wobbly913 Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO Athearn Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 6067 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Central Lines kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6068 From: Louis Greiff Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO Athearn Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 6069 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage HO Athearn Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 6070 From: Al Campbell Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6071 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6072 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6073 From: BillyDee53@aol.com Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6074 From: Steven Winter Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6075 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6076 From: Charles Bowen Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6077 From: madchemep2@aol.com Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6078 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6079 From: railwaymodeler Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6080 From: railwaymodeler Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6081 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6082 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6083 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6084 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6085 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6086 From: Mike Sloane Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Revell building kits (was Re: [vintageHO] Re: Lindberg Trains
Group: vintageHO Message: 6087 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: The Resurrection Continues
Group: vintageHO Message: 6088 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Revell building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6089 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Revell building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6090 From: Rick Jones Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Revell building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6091 From: Mike Sloane Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Revell building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6092 From: Charles Windes Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: The Resurrection Continues Re
Group: vintageHO Message: 6093 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Revell building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6094 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Revell building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6095 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Revell building kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6096 From: Roger Aultman Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: JAPANESE VARNEY?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6097 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: The Resurrection Continues Re
Group: vintageHO Message: 6098 From: Gerry D Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: The Resurrection Continues Re
Group: vintageHO Message: 6099 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: The Resurrection Continues Re
Group: vintageHO Message: 6100 From: khrhyne Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Hello!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6101 From: Gerry D Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Hello!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6102 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: We Finally Finished It
Group: vintageHO Message: 6103 From: Mike Bauers Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Hello!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6104 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Hello!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6105 From: khrhyne Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Hello!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6106 From: khrhyne Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Hello!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6107 From: khrhyne Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Hello!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6108 From: Mike Bauers Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Hello!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6109 From: Riverboy Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Help In Identifying Manufacturers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6110 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help In Identifying Manufacturers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6111 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help In Identifying Manufacturers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6112 From: Riverboy Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help In Identifying Manufacturers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6113 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help In Identifying Manufacturers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6114 From: Riverboy Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help In Identifying Manufacturers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6115 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6116 From: Steven Winter Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Help In Identifying Manufacturers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6117 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6118 From: Denny Anspach Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6119 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6120 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6121 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: American Beauty passenger car truck kits -3 pr.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6122 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6123 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6124 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Note for Tim Jones, Galesburg, IL
Group: vintageHO Message: 6125 From: michael rapp, sr Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: 2 Train Club Open Houses Combined!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6126 From: louis niederlander Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: vintage HO cardboard kit houses
Group: vintageHO Message: 6127 From: Mike Bauers Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6128 From: John Hagen Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: 2 Train Club Open Houses Combined!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6129 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6130 From: Gerry D Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6131 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6132 From: Steven Winter Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6133 From: Gerry D Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6134 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6135 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6136 From: khrhyne Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: vintage HO cardboard kit houses
Group: vintageHO Message: 6137 From: bongiovanni12001 Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Clinic handout
Group: vintageHO Message: 6138 From: Steven Winter Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6139 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Pronunciation of "Akane" and others
Group: vintageHO Message: 6140 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Clinic handout
Group: vintageHO Message: 6141 From: Mike Bauers Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid side cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6142 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of "Akane" and others
Group: vintageHO Message: 6143 From: Ray Hobin Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of "Akane" and others
Group: vintageHO Message: 6144 From: Jerry Prather Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of "Akane" and others
Group: vintageHO Message: 6145 From: almangani Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Varney "Casey Jones" 10 Wheeler Kit help
Group: vintageHO Message: 6146 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Varney "Casey Jones" 10 Wheeler Kit help
Group: vintageHO Message: 6147 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Varney "Casey Jones" 10 Wheeler Kit help
Group: vintageHO Message: 6148 From: Mike Bauers Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Varney "Casey Jones" 10 Wheeler Kit help
Group: vintageHO Message: 6149 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Varney "Casey Jones" 10 Wheeler Kit help
Group: vintageHO Message: 6150 From: AL Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: HELP - Quality Craft tri-level auto rack car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6151 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: HELP - Quality Craft tri-level auto rack car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6152 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Holgate & Reynolds
Group: vintageHO Message: 6153 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Holgate & Reynolds
Group: vintageHO Message: 6154 From: Philip Martin Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Holgate & Reynolds
Group: vintageHO Message: 6155 From: Don Grant Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Varney "Casey Jones" 10 Wheeler Kit help
Group: vintageHO Message: 6156 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: HELP - Quality Craft tri-level auto rack car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6157 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Holgate & Reynolds
Group: vintageHO Message: 6158 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of "Akane" and others
Group: vintageHO Message: 6159 From: Jim McClenin Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Looking For
Group: vintageHO Message: 6160 From: almangani Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Varney "Casey Jones" 10 Wheeler Kit help
Group: vintageHO Message: 6161 From: Steven Winter Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Looking For
Group: vintageHO Message: 6162 From: Jim McClenin Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: Looking For
Group: vintageHO Message: 6163 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Varney "Casey Jones" 10 Wheeler Kit help
Group: vintageHO Message: 6164 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Resurrecting The Dinosaurs Episode 4
Group: vintageHO Message: 6165 From: Al Campbell Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: MDC 3 bay B&LE o/s hoppers.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6166 From: John Hagen Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6167 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6168 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6169 From: John Hagen Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6170 From: bongiovanni12001 Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: MDC B&LE 3 bay hoppers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6171 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6172 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6173 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6174 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6175 From: John Hagen Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6176 From: John Hagen Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6177 From: Bill Wright Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: MDC 3 bay B&LE o/s hoppers.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6178 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Model Train meet May 17th and 18th Allentown Pa Off I-78
Group: vintageHO Message: 6179 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6180 From: Don Dellmann Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6181 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6182 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6183 From: michael rapp, sr Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Train Club Open House!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6184 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6185 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6186 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6187 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6188 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6189 From: Rick Jones Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6190 From: Steven Winter Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: Train Club Open House!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6191 From: John Hagen Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6192 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6193 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6194 From: oljoeoh Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6195 From: oljoeoh Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6196 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6197 From: John Hagen Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6198 From: John Hagen Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6199 From: oljoeoh Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6200 From: Gary Woodard Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6201 From: Walter Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: The Ice-man's a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6202 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: The Ice-man's a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6203 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6204 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6205 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6206 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6207 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: The Ice-man's a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6208 From: John Hagen Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: She is round the bend
Group: vintageHO Message: 6209 From: John Hagen Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6210 From: John Hagen Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: The Ice-man's a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6211 From: Glenn476 Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She is round the bend
Group: vintageHO Message: 6212 From: John Hagen Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She is round the bend
Group: vintageHO Message: 6213 From: Charles Windes Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6214 From: oljoeoh Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: She'll be a=comin' round the bend.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6215 From: madchemep2@aol.com Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: MDC 3 bay B&LE o/s hoppers.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6216 From: bongiovanni12001 Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: MDC B&LE hoppers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6217 From: patikabeadworks Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: help newbie here
Group: vintageHO Message: 6218 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: Re: help newbie here
Group: vintageHO Message: 6219 From: Jack Priller Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: MDC 2-Truck Shay kit #360
Group: vintageHO Message: 6220 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: Re: MDC 2-Truck Shay kit #360
Group: vintageHO Message: 6221 From: sswcharlie Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6222 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6223 From: Glenn476 Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6224 From: Steven Winter Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6225 From: Charles Windes Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2 #2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6226 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6227 From: railwaymodeler Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 6228 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 6229 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2 #2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6230 From: Mike Bauers Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2 #2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6231 From: Glenn476 Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6232 From: C. Larry Bowen Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6233 From: Glenn476 Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6234 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2 #2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6235 From: Gary Woodard Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6236 From: John Plott Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6237 From: Charles Bowen Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6238 From: Gary Woodard Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6239 From: Gary Woodard Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Another Done Resurrection, the 4-6-2 Project
Group: vintageHO Message: 6240 From: Glenn476 Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6241 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6242 From: johnbo67 Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: HO Model Help Needed
Group: vintageHO Message: 6243 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: HO Model Help Needed
Group: vintageHO Message: 6244 From: Gary Woodard Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6245 From: Charles Windes Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2 #2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6246 From: Mike Bauers Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: HO Model Help Needed
Group: vintageHO Message: 6247 From: Glenn476 Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6248 From: railwaymodeler Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Gilbert Die Cast Coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6249 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Die Cast Coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6250 From: railwaymodeler Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Die Cast Coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6251 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Die Cast Coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6252 From: Steven Winter Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2 #2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6253 From: Al Campbell Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Mogul Ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6254 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Die Cast Coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6255 From: Glenn476 Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Die Cast Coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6256 From: Gary Woodard Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6257 From: bayerw@comcast.net Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Die Cast Coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6258 From: Joe Mitchell Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Die Cast Coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6259 From: raymarinaccio Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: POCHER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6260 From: Charles Windes Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2 #2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6261 From: Denny Anspach Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert Die Cast Coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6262 From: Don Grant Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Dummy
Group: vintageHO Message: 6263 From: sswcharlie Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Rivarossi HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6264 From: sswcharlie Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Rivarossi 2-6-6-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6265 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Good Train meet This weekend Allentown Pa off I-78
Group: vintageHO Message: 6266 From: Gerry Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6267 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6268 From: Mike Sloane Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6269 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6270 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6271 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6272 From: Gerry D Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6273 From: cb0201 Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Looking for contributors with good knowledge of vintage railway mode
Group: vintageHO Message: 6274 From: Mike Bauers Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6275 From: Rick Jones Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6276 From: Mike Sloane Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6277 From: Charles Windes Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Chuck Re: [vintageHO] Not exactly related, but.....
Group: vintageHO Message: 6278 From: Gary Woodard Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: A Few Pix
Group: vintageHO Message: 6279 From: Gerry D Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: For what it's worth or a Hot Tip, you decide!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6280 From: Graeme Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6281 From: Morgan Smith Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: For what it's worth or a Hot Tip, you decide!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6282 From: Ray Marinaccio Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6283 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6284 From: Graeme Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6285 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6286 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6287 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6288 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6289 From: Don Grant Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6290 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6291 From: Graeme Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6292 From: Ray Hobin Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: ID loco..please.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6293 From: Mike Bauers Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: ID loco..please.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6294 From: Steven Winter Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: ID loco..please.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6295 From: Ray Hobin Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: AHM Tempo US diesel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6296 From: Charles Windes Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: ID loco..please.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6297 From: MRLENGAL2U@aol.com Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: ID loco..please.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6298 From: Glenn476 Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: ID loco..please.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6299 From: Chris B Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: ID loco..please.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6300 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: ID loco..please.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6301 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 5/24/2008
Subject: Re: ID loco..please.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6302 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Parts needed
Group: vintageHO Message: 6303 From: Roger Aultman Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: PITTMAN BRIDE AND GROOM
Group: vintageHO Message: 6304 From: Don Dellmann Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: PITTMAN BRIDE AND GROOM
Group: vintageHO Message: 6305 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: PITTMAN BRIDE AND GROOM
Group: vintageHO Message: 6306 From: Roger Aultman Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: PITTMAN BRIDE AND GROOM
Group: vintageHO Message: 6307 From: Roger Aultman Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: PITTMAN BRIDE AND GROOM
Group: vintageHO Message: 6308 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: PITTMAN BRIDE AND GROOM
Group: vintageHO Message: 6309 From: Louis Greiff Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Athearn Metal Timken Red Boxcar Decals
Group: vintageHO Message: 6310 From: erieberk Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Metal Timken Red Boxcar Decals
Group: vintageHO Message: 6311 From: Bill Daley Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Class lights
Group: vintageHO Message: 6312 From: Glenn476 Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: Class lights
Group: vintageHO Message: 6313 From: Rick Jones Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: Class lights
Group: vintageHO Message: 6314 From: Louis Greiff Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Metal Timken Red Boxcar Decals
Group: vintageHO Message: 6315 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: Class lights
Group: vintageHO Message: 6316 From: Ray Hobin Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Class lights
Group: vintageHO Message: 6317 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: [mdcroundhouse] proper name
Group: vintageHO Message: 6318 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Lightweight Passenger cars ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6319 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lightweight Passenger cars ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6320 From: John Hagen Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lightweight Passenger cars ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6321 From: jbark76 Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lightweight Passenger cars ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6322 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lightweight Passenger cars ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6323 From: John Hagen Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lightweight Passenger cars ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6324 From: John Hagen Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lightweight Passenger cars ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6325 From: John Hagen Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lightweight Passenger cars ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6326 From: Riverboy Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lightweight Passenger cars ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6327 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lightweight Passenger cars ends
Group: vintageHO Message: 6328 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Question about some old streamline passeger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6329 From: Riverboy Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question about some old streamline passeger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6330 From: Russ Shiel Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Another pass car question
Group: vintageHO Message: 6331 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question about some old streamline passeger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6332 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question about some old streamline passeger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6333 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Question about some old streamline passeg
Group: vintageHO Message: 6334 From: railwaymodeler Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Replacing Wheels in 1940-1941 Prod. Gilbert Coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6335 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question about some old streamline passeger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6336 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: more watermelon cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6337 From: Mike Bauers Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Question about some old streamline passeg
Group: vintageHO Message: 6338 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Thanks! was: Re: Question about some old streamline passeger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6339 From: greendoddz Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: My Vintage Page - a Small Beginning
Group: vintageHO Message: 6340 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: My Vintage Page - a Small Beginning
Group: vintageHO Message: 6341 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: My Vintage Page - a Small Beginning
Group: vintageHO Message: 6342 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: My Vintage Page - a Small Beginning
Group: vintageHO Message: 6343 From: rcjge Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: My Vintage Page - a Small Beginning
Group: vintageHO Message: 6344 From: jbark76 Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Globe Boxcar Doors
Group: vintageHO Message: 6345 From: Walter Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: My Vintage Page - a Small Beginning
Group: vintageHO Message: 6346 From: greendoddz Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: My Vintage Page - a Small Beginning
Group: vintageHO Message: 6347 From: greendoddz Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: My Vintage Page - a Small Beginning
Group: vintageHO Message: 6348 From: John Hagen Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6349 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6350 From: John Hagen Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6351 From: greendoddz Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6352 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6353 From: Mike Bauers Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6354 From: jay matz Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6355 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Globe Boxcar Doors
Group: vintageHO Message: 6356 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6357 From: Mike Bauers Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Globe Boxcar Doors
Group: vintageHO Message: 6358 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6359 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6360 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6361 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6362 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6363 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6364 From: jbark76 Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Globe Boxcar Doors
Group: vintageHO Message: 6365 From: Ray Hobin Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: LED LIGHTING
Group: vintageHO Message: 6366 From: jbark76 Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: LED LIGHTING
Group: vintageHO Message: 6367 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6368 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6369 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6370 From: wallagus Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - pictures?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6371 From: MRLENGAL2U@aol.com Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - pictures?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6372 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6373 From: Phillip VanderHeyden Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - pictures?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6374 From: Gerry D Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: LED LIGHTING
Group: vintageHO Message: 6375 From: John Hagen Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6376 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6377 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - pictures?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6378 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - pictures?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6379 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6380 From: MRLENGAL2U@aol.com Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - pictures?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6381 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: The Withlacoochee River Report
Group: vintageHO Message: 6382 From: Ray Hobin Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6383 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6384 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6385 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6386 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6387 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6388 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6389 From: pvande1@comcast.net Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - repowering?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6390 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - repowering?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6391 From: Dave Royer Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - repowering?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6392 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - repowering?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6393 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6394 From: Ray Hobin Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6395 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: A bit off topic and I kinda hate to post it, but this is Your congre
Group: vintageHO Message: 6396 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - repowering?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6397 From: pvande1@comcast.net Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - repowering?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6398 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6399 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6400 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - repowering?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6401 From: pvande1@comcast.net Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - repowering?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6402 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - repowering?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6403 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6404 From: wallagus Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn with metal gear towers - repowering?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6405 From: Mike Bauers Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6406 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6407 From: Ray Hobin Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6408 From: Howard R Garner Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6409 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6410 From: erieberk Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6411 From: erieberk Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6412 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6413 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Rs:Re: [vintageHO] Ulrich trucks, was:
Group: vintageHO Message: 6414 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6415 From: erieberk Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich, was -- Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6416 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6417 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6418 From: trainliker Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6419 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6420 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Ulrich, was -- Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6421 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6422 From: Mike Bauers Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6423 From: Mike Bauers Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6424 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6425 From: Mike Bauers Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6426 From: John Barlow Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6427 From: Mike Bauers Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6428 From: Mike Bauers Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6429 From: Don Grant Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6430 From: John Hagen Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6431 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6432 From: John Hagen Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6433 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6434 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: OT-Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6435 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6436 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6437 From: Donald Dellmann Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6438 From: John Hagen Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6439 From: John Hagen Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6440 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: OT-Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6441 From: erieberk Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6442 From: erieberk Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Ulrich, was -- Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6443 From: Lacera Anne Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: instructions
Group: vintageHO Message: 6444 From: erieberk Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Ulrich, was -- Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6445 From: erieberk Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Ulrich, Listing, pg .3
Group: vintageHO Message: 6446 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6447 From: erieberk Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Ulrich, was -- Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6448 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6449 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6450 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6451 From: Mike Bauers Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Kit question......
Group: vintageHO Message: 6452 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6453 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich, was -- Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6454 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6455 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: OT-Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6456 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: OT-Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6457 From: erieberk Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6458 From: erieberk Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich, was -- Mantua
Group: vintageHO Message: 6459 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: some oldies... off topic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6460 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6461 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6462 From: John Hagen Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6463 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6464 From: Sean Naylor Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6465 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Meet At Mt Union
Group: vintageHO Message: 6466 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6467 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6468 From: John Hagen Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6469 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6470 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich trucks, was: ID some oldies...
Group: vintageHO Message: 6471 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: OT - Re: [vintageHO] A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6472 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6473 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: OT - Re: [vintageHO] A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6474 From: John Hagen Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6475 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6476 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Athearn RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 6477 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6478 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: New aquisitions
Group: vintageHO Message: 6479 From: Wobbly913 Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 6480 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6481 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6482 From: John Hagen Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Edging back to ON TOPIC - Re: A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6483 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Edging back to ON TOPIC - Re: A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6484 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6485 From: Ray Hobin Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: traction tires
Group: vintageHO Message: 6486 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: traction tires
Group: vintageHO Message: 6487 From: erieberk Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6488 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: traction tires
Group: vintageHO Message: 6489 From: erieberk Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6490 From: Steven Winter Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: traction tires
Group: vintageHO Message: 6491 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Fwd: Something new in HO, & some announcements for S/O/N as well !
Group: vintageHO Message: 6492 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: traction tires
Group: vintageHO Message: 6493 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: A Little Frivolity For A Sunday
Group: vintageHO Message: 6494 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: traction tires
Group: vintageHO Message: 6495 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: traction tires
Group: vintageHO Message: 6496 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6497 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6498 From: erieberk Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6499 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6500 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: My Newest V Scale Railroad
Group: vintageHO Message: 6501 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: My Newest V Scale Railroad
Group: vintageHO Message: 6502 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: My Newest V Scale Railroad
Group: vintageHO Message: 6503 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Streamlined PRR K-4s (1940 version)
Group: vintageHO Message: 6504 From: Ray Hobin Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: 60s era brass factory pix.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6505 From: oahurailway Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: 60s era brass factory pix.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6506 From: tcolret Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: 60s era brass factory pix.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6507 From: jerrygart5 Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: 60s era brass factory pix.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6508 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6509 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6510 From: Louis Greiff Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6511 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6512 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6513 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6514 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6515 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list, was Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6516 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list, was Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6517 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6518 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6519 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list, was Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6520 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6521 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6522 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6523 From: Charles Windes Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: 60s era brass factory pix.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6524 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: 60s era brass factory pix.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6525 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6526 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Ambroid Glue
Group: vintageHO Message: 6527 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid Glue
Group: vintageHO Message: 6528 From: railwaymodeler Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid Glue
Group: vintageHO Message: 6529 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6530 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid Glue Subsitutes
Group: vintageHO Message: 6531 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6532 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6533 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list, was Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6534 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid Glue
Group: vintageHO Message: 6535 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid Glue
Group: vintageHO Message: 6536 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6537 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6538 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid Glue
Group: vintageHO Message: 6539 From: erieberk Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list, was Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6540 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6541 From: erieberk Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6542 From: erieberk Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid Glue
Group: vintageHO Message: 6543 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6544 From: Ray Hobin Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: 60s era brass factory pix.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6545 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6546 From: holat88 Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Hobbytown Alco kit info request
Group: vintageHO Message: 6547 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown Alco kit info request
Group: vintageHO Message: 6548 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list, was Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6549 From: Chris B Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown Alco kit info request
Group: vintageHO Message: 6550 From: erieberk Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6551 From: erieberk Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6552 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6553 From: erieberk Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list, was Ulrich list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6554 From: erieberk Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6555 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6556 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6557 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6558 From: Gary Woodard Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6559 From: erieberk Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6560 From: erieberk Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Slightly O.T., was Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6561 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6562 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: RE:[vintageHO] Re: Walthers list
Group: vintageHO Message: 6563 From: Rick Jones Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6564 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6565 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Identify a car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6566 From: erieberk Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6567 From: erieberk Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Identify a car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6568 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Identify a car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6569 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: 60s era brass factory pix.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6570 From: erieberk Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: JC Silver Sides Passenger Car Kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6571 From: erieberk Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re{ JC Silver Sides Passenger Car Kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6572 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6573 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid Glue
Group: vintageHO Message: 6574 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6575 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re{ JC Silver Sides Passenger Car Kits
Group: vintageHO Message: 6576 From: Rick Jones Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List
Group: vintageHO Message: 6577 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6578 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid vs Quality Craft Models: The Same At One Point?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6579 From: James Bartelt Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6580 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6581 From: Louis Greiff Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6582 From: James Bartelt Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6583 From: James Bartelt Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6584 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6585 From: Glenn476 Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6586 From: Don Dellmann Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6587 From: erieberk Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6588 From: erieberk Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List, was JC Silver Sides
Group: vintageHO Message: 6589 From: Ray Hobin Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6590 From: erieberk Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List, Additions (Continued)
Group: vintageHO Message: 6591 From: erieberk Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List, Additions (continued)
Group: vintageHO Message: 6592 From: erieberk Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers List -- 7800's Series Additions
Group: vintageHO Message: 6593 From: erieberk Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers 7800 Series Additions (continued)
Group: vintageHO Message: 6594 From: Jack Priller Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Tin-plate HO?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6595 From: erieberk Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re; Walthers 7800 Series Additions, Continued
Group: vintageHO Message: 6596 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6597 From: erieberk Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers 7800 Series Additions, Wrap-Up
Group: vintageHO Message: 6598 From: erieberk Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Correction to a Correction
Group: vintageHO Message: 6599 From: Roger Aultman Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: MYSTERY HOPPER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6600 From: erieberk Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Railmaster (?), was MYSTERY HOPPER
Group: vintageHO Message: 6601 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re; Walthers 7800 Series Additions, Continued
Group: vintageHO Message: 6602 From: Howard Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown Alco kit info request
Group: vintageHO Message: 6603 From: John Hagen Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6604 From: Mike Bauers Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader on ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 6605 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6606 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Correction to a Correction
Group: vintageHO Message: 6607 From: erieberk Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Correction to a Correction
Group: vintageHO Message: 6608 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Walthers Correction to a Correction
Group: vintageHO Message: 6609 From: erieberk Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Walthers Correction to a Correction
Group: vintageHO Message: 6610 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Correction to a Correction
Group: vintageHO Message: 6611 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery Loco and cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6612 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Interesting find
Group: vintageHO Message: 6613 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: latest add
Group: vintageHO Message: 6614 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting find
Group: vintageHO Message: 6615 From: Rick Jones Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: latest add
Group: vintageHO Message: 6616 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting find
Group: vintageHO Message: 6617 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: latest add
Group: vintageHO Message: 6618 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting find
Group: vintageHO Message: 6619 From: Gary Woodard Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Prowler's New K28
Group: vintageHO Message: 6620 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Interesting find
Group: vintageHO Message: 6621 From: Rick Jones Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: latest add
Group: vintageHO Message: 6622 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Reading Crusader
Group: vintageHO Message: 6623 From: John Hagen Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader
Group: vintageHO Message: 6624 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader
Group: vintageHO Message: 6625 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Reading Crusader
Group: vintageHO Message: 6626 From: Maynard Keith Franklin Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Old Athearn Metal RDC's
Group: vintageHO Message: 6627 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: FW: A Fleisch in the Penn?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6628 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: Old Athearn Metal RDC's
Group: vintageHO Message: 6629 From: Gary Woodard Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Over The High Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6630 From: Charles Bowen Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Over The High Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6631 From: John Hagen Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Need to Find
Group: vintageHO Message: 6632 From: John Hagen Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Need to Find
Group: vintageHO Message: 6633 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Need to Find
Group: vintageHO Message: 6634 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Need to Find
Group: vintageHO Message: 6635 From: Gary Woodard Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Over The High Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6636 From: Charles Bowen Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Over The High Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6637 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6638 From: erieberk Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6639 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6640 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6641 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6642 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6643 From: erieberk Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6644 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6645 From: erieberk Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6646 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6647 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6648 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6649 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 7/16/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6650 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6651 From: erieberk Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6652 From: erieberk Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6653 From: erieberk Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6654 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6655 From: erieberk Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6656 From: erieberk Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6657 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6658 From: erieberk Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6659 From: jay matz Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6660 From: erieberk Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6661 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6662 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 72" drivers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6663 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6664 From: erieberk Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6665 From: erieberk Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 72" drivers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6666 From: jay matz Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Another Mystery engine for you guys!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6667 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: 72" drivers
Group: vintageHO Message: 6668 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: The Mystery engine has sprung drivers!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6669 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: The Mystery engine has sprung drivers!
Group: vintageHO Message: 6670 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Varney celluloid coaches
Group: vintageHO Message: 6671 From: jbark76 Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6672 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6673 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6674 From: cnj999 Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6675 From: John Hagen Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6676 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6677 From: Charles Windes Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: NYC on Cumbres Pass Re: [vintageHO] Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6678 From: Tertius Coetzee Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6679 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: NYC on Cumbres Pass Re: [vintageHO] Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6680 From: jbark76 Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6681 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6682 From: John Barlow Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6683 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6684 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6685 From: Ray Hobin Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Mantua 00 Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6686 From: oljoeoh Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6687 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6688 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6689 From: Louis Greiff Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6690 From: oljoeoh Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6691 From: jay matz Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6692 From: Louis Greiff Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6693 From: oljoeoh Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6694 From: oljoeoh Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6695 From: Sean Naylor Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Wells Fargo Stage Coach by Athearn
Group: vintageHO Message: 6696 From: Louis Greiff Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Wells Fargo Stage Coach by Athearn
Group: vintageHO Message: 6697 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Wells Fargo Stage Coach by Athearn
Group: vintageHO Message: 6698 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6699 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6700 From: Wobbly913 Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Wells Fargo Stage Coach by Athearn
Group: vintageHO Message: 6701 From: Charles Windes Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: NYC on Cumbres Pass Re: [vintageHO] Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6702 From: erieberk Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6703 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6704 From: Tom Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Rivarossi Heisler
Group: vintageHO Message: 6705 From: Tom Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Rivarossi Heisler
Group: vintageHO Message: 6706 From: Louis Greiff Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6707 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: NYC on Cumbres Pass Re: [vintageHO] Mantua OO Scale?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6708 From: Glenn476 Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi Heisler
Group: vintageHO Message: 6709 From: Ray Hobin Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Porter Mogul; Was, Mantua 00 scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 6710 From: oljoeoh Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6711 From: railwaymodeler Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6712 From: Charles Windes Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6713 From: John Barlow Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6714 From: Lee Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6715 From: oljoeoh Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6716 From: erieberk Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6717 From: oljoeoh Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6718 From: Martin Rosenfeld Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6719 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6720 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6721 From: oljoeoh Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6722 From: cnj999 Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6723 From: John Barlow Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6724 From: Gerry D Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Porter Mogul; Was, Mantua 00 scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 6725 From: erieberk Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6726 From: jbark76 Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6727 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6728 From: C. Larry Bowen Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Repowering MDC Steam
Group: vintageHO Message: 6729 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Repowering MDC Steam
Group: vintageHO Message: 6730 From: Mike Bauers Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6731 From: Gary Woodard Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Repowering MDC Steam
Group: vintageHO Message: 6732 From: Charles Bowen Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Repowering MDC Steam
Group: vintageHO Message: 6733 From: oljoeoh Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6734 From: erieberk Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6735 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6736 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Fw: INTERESTING LIFE LIKE KITS
Group: vintageHO Message: 6737 From: Charles Windes Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6738 From: Charles Windes Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6739 From: Charles Windes Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6740 From: oljoeoh Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6741 From: Charles Windes Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6742 From: erieberk Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Fw: MAIN LINE MODELS, Was: INTERESTING LIFE LI
Group: vintageHO Message: 6743 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6744 From: erieberk Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: RAILMASTER -- Utah Scale Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 6745 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Fw: MAIN LINE MODELS, Was: INTERESTI
Group: vintageHO Message: 6746 From: erieberk Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: RAILMASTER -- Utah Scale Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 6747 From: MRLENGAL2U@aol.com Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: RailMaster National Plate Glass Covered Hopper
Group: vintageHO Message: 6748 From: erieberk Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: RAILMASTER, Continued -- by Ray Wetzel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6749 From: erieberk Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: RAILMASTER, Continued -- by Ray Wetzel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6750 From: Charles Windes Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6751 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: NYC #999 in Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 6752 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6753 From: Don Dellmann Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6754 From: rny11 Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6755 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6756 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6757 From: Gary Woodard Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6758 From: Gerry D Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6759 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6760 From: Mike Bauers Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6761 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6762 From: erieberk Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: RAILMASTER -- Utah Scale Models by Ray Wetzel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6763 From: erieberk Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: RAILMASTER -- Utah Scale Models, by Ray Wetzel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6764 From: Gerry D Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vintage?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6765 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Steamtown NHS WUZ -- Re: [vintageHO] Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern Vin
Group: vintageHO Message: 6766 From: Rick Jones Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Steamtown NHS WUZ -- Re: [vintageHO] Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern
Group: vintageHO Message: 6767 From: Jerry Prather Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Steamtown NHS WUZ -- Re: [vintageHO] Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern
Group: vintageHO Message: 6768 From: Gerry D Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Steamtown NHS WUZ -- Re: [vintageHO] Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern
Group: vintageHO Message: 6769 From: Gerry D Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Steamtown NHS WUZ -- Re: [vintageHO] Funaro & Camerlengo: Modern
Group: vintageHO Message: 6770 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: RAILMASTER -- Utah Scale Models, by Ray Wetzel
Group: vintageHO Message: 6771 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Mystery passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6772 From: erieberk Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6773 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6774 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6775 From: erieberk Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6776 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6777 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: introduce myself
Group: vintageHO Message: 6778 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: introduce myself
Group: vintageHO Message: 6779 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: introduce myself
Group: vintageHO Message: 6780 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: introduce myself
Group: vintageHO Message: 6781 From: Ray Marinaccio Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: introduce myself
Group: vintageHO Message: 6782 From: erieberk Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: introduce myself
Group: vintageHO Message: 6783 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Thanks
Group: vintageHO Message: 6784 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: introduce myself
Group: vintageHO Message: 6785 From: erieberk Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Ulrich Production
Group: vintageHO Message: 6786 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Ulrich Production
Group: vintageHO Message: 6787 From: rcjge Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Varney Super Consolie parts sought?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6788 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6789 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Super Consolie parts sought?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6790 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6791 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6792 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Ulrich Production
Group: vintageHO Message: 6793 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6794 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6795 From: rcjge Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6796 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6797 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Types of Varney motors
Group: vintageHO Message: 6798 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: must add reason for V-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 6799 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6800 From: rcjge Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6801 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Types of Varney motors
Group: vintageHO Message: 6802 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6803 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Super Consolidation
Group: vintageHO Message: 6804 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Varney Motors
Group: vintageHO Message: 6805 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: V-1 aftermath fix
Group: vintageHO Message: 6806 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: humbled and corrected
Group: vintageHO Message: 6807 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: humbled and corrected
Group: vintageHO Message: 6808 From: Gerry D Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: introduce myself
Group: vintageHO Message: 6809 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Thanks
Group: vintageHO Message: 6810 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Motors
Group: vintageHO Message: 6811 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: V-1 aftermath fix
Group: vintageHO Message: 6812 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: humbled and corrected
Group: vintageHO Message: 6813 From: erieberk Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Motor Clarifications Cont'd, was: humbled and corrected
Group: vintageHO Message: 6814 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: What is vintage? (was Re: [vintageHO] introduce myself)
Group: vintageHO Message: 6815 From: erieberk Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Ulrich Production
Group: vintageHO Message: 6816 From: erieberk Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Ulrich Production
Group: vintageHO Message: 6817 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Senior moment
Group: vintageHO Message: 6818 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6819 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: introduce myself - Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 6820 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Fwd: [EarlyRail] NWSL-going-going-gone to new owner
Group: vintageHO Message: 6821 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 6822 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Super Scale correction
Group: vintageHO Message: 6823 From: erieberk Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Senior moment
Group: vintageHO Message: 6824 From: erieberk Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Senior moment
Group: vintageHO Message: 6825 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Motors
Group: vintageHO Message: 6826 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Caboose
Group: vintageHO Message: 6827 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 6828 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6829 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Super Scale and trading info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6830 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Possibility Exists
Group: vintageHO Message: 6831 From: John Barlow Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Possibility Exists
Group: vintageHO Message: 6832 From: erieberk Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6833 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Possibility Exists
Group: vintageHO Message: 6834 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 6835 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6836 From: John Barlow Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 6837 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 6838 From: erieberk Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6839 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Varney passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6840 From: erieberk Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6841 From: erieberk Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6842 From: erieberk Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Northerns, was: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6843 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Super Scale and trading info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6844 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6845 From: Lennard Stewart Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Slightly OT Need your input
Group: vintageHO Message: 6846 From: erieberk Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6847 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Walthers Ulrich Production
Group: vintageHO Message: 6848 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Trading Info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6849 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][vintageHO] Trading Info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6850 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6851 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6852 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Ulrich Production
Group: vintageHO Message: 6853 From: Gerry D Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][vintageHO] Trading Info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6854 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6855 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6856 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6857 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 6858 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6859 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6860 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Slightly OT Need your input
Group: vintageHO Message: 6861 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Pre-War Varney leaf spring
Group: vintageHO Message: 6862 From: erieberk Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Walthers Ulrich Production
Group: vintageHO Message: 6863 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: convertinig VHS to DVD
Group: vintageHO Message: 6864 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6865 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: sending email off line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6866 From: Lennard Stewart Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: sending email off line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6867 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: sending email off line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6868 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: sending email off line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6869 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: sending email off line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6870 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: I need help w/ my All-weather Mantua 2-6-0 Kitbash project.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6871 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Pre-War Varney leaf spring
Group: vintageHO Message: 6872 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6873 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6874 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: sending email off line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6875 From: Glenn476 Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6876 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Trading Info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6877 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Super Scale and trading info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6878 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: site rules for off line info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6879 From: Gerry D Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: convertinig VHS to DVD
Group: vintageHO Message: 6880 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6881 From: Howard Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Mantua "Coast Daylight" engine question
Group: vintageHO Message: 6882 From: Glenn476 Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: convertinig VHS to DVD
Group: vintageHO Message: 6883 From: Glenn476 Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6884 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6885 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6886 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Trading Info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6887 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6888 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6889 From: Gerry D Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: sending email off line
Group: vintageHO Message: 6890 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6891 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6892 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6893 From: erieberk Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6894 From: erieberk Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Pre-War Varney leaf spring
Group: vintageHO Message: 6895 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6896 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6897 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6898 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: help me understand
Group: vintageHO Message: 6899 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6900 From: erieberk Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Pre-War Varney leaf spring
Group: vintageHO Message: 6901 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6902 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Varney Passenger Cars?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6903 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6904 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Pre-War Varney leaf spring
Group: vintageHO Message: 6905 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6906 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Pre-War Varney leaf spring
Group: vintageHO Message: 6907 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6908 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6909 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Passenger Cars?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6910 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6911 From: Don Grant Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Pre-War Varney leaf spring
Group: vintageHO Message: 6912 From: Rick Jones Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6913 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6914 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6915 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Passenger Cars?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6916 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6917 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6918 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: site rules for off line info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6919 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Restoring Walthers cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6920 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Restoring Walthers cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6921 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6922 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6923 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: DMC ? Dallas Model Craft
Group: vintageHO Message: 6924 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Passenger Cars?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6925 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Passenger Cars?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6926 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Exacta/ Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 6927 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Passenger car info
Group: vintageHO Message: 6928 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Exacta/ Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 6929 From: rw_hinsen Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Athern metal cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6930 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Passenger Cars?
Group: vintageHO Message: 6931 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Varney celluloid sided NYC paint scheme
Group: vintageHO Message: 6932 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Restoring Walthers cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6933 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Restoring Walthers cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6934 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: DMC ? Dallas Model Craft
Group: vintageHO Message: 6935 From: Louis Greiff Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athern metal cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6936 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Restoring Walthers cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6937 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athern metal cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6938 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Athern metal cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6939 From: rcjge Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Post-War Mantua Atlantic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6940 From: sean naylor Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Post-War Mantua Atlantic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6941 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Winton Allegeheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6942 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: Winton Allegeheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6943 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid sided NYC paint scheme
Group: vintageHO Message: 6944 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney celluloid sided NYC paint scheme
Group: vintageHO Message: 6945 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: other Winton engine
Group: vintageHO Message: 6946 From: Denny Anspach Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Winton Allegeheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6947 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Winton Allegeheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6948 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Winton Allegeheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6949 From: Lennard Stewart Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Winton Allegeheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6950 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Varney Celluloid NYC
Group: vintageHO Message: 6951 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: other Winton engine
Group: vintageHO Message: 6952 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Winton Allegeheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6953 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Winton Allegeheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6954 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: other Winton engine
Group: vintageHO Message: 6955 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: other Winton engine
Group: vintageHO Message: 6956 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Trackside Specialties O-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6957 From: Denny Anspach Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Submitted photos.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6958 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties O-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6959 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Submitted photos.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6960 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Submitted photos.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6961 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties O-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6962 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Submitted photos.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6963 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Submitted photos.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6964 From: Russ Shiel Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Sampson pass cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6965 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Sampson pass cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6966 From: erieberk Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Sampson pass cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6967 From: erieberk Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Sampson pass cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6968 From: Russ Shiel Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: erroneous Sampson pass cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 6969 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Submitted photos.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6970 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Submitted photos.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6971 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Submitted photos.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6972 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Trackside Specialties P5a
Group: vintageHO Message: 6973 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Submitted photos.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6974 From: Glenn476 Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties P5a
Group: vintageHO Message: 6975 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties P5a
Group: vintageHO Message: 6976 From: Glenn476 Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties P5a
Group: vintageHO Message: 6977 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Submitted photos.
Group: vintageHO Message: 6978 From: Denny Anspach Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: WINTON Allegheny 2-6-6-6
Group: vintageHO Message: 6979 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6980 From: John Hagen Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6981 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: WINTON Allegheny 2-6-6-6
Group: vintageHO Message: 6982 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: WINTON Allegheny 2-6-6-6
Group: vintageHO Message: 6983 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6984 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Winton 2-6-6-6 Allegheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6985 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Winton 2-6-6-6 Allegheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6986 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Winton 2-6-6-6 Allegheny
Group: vintageHO Message: 6987 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Fw: [vintageHO] Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6988 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Special message to Ray W
Group: vintageHO Message: 6989 From: erieberk Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Special message to Ray W
Group: vintageHO Message: 6990 From: erieberk Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6991 From: Tom Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Penn Line Crusader Trailing Truck
Group: vintageHO Message: 6992 From: erieberk Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Post-War Mantua Atlantic
Group: vintageHO Message: 6993 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Penn Line Reading Crusader
Group: vintageHO Message: 6994 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6995 From: erieberk Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader, was - Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6996 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader, was - Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6997 From: erieberk Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader, was - Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6998 From: erieberk Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader, was - Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 6999 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader, was - Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7000 From: erieberk Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Crusader, was - Trackside Specialties B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7001 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: knapp pre war Mountain
Group: vintageHO Message: 7002 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Penn Line Reading Crusader
Group: vintageHO Message: 7003 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: knapp pre war Mountain
Group: vintageHO Message: 7004 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Knapp Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 7005 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: knapp pre war Mountain
Group: vintageHO Message: 7006 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Knapp versus Bowser Mountain
Group: vintageHO Message: 7007 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: knapp pre war Mountain
Group: vintageHO Message: 7008 From: Dave Ayers Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: WINTON Allegheny 2-6-6-6
Group: vintageHO Message: 7009 From: Garry Spear Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Help with eBay Car ID
Group: vintageHO Message: 7010 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Knapp Passenger Cars - Exacta package arrived
Group: vintageHO Message: 7011 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Knapp Passenger Cars - Exacta package arrived
Group: vintageHO Message: 7012 From: erieberk Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Help with eBay Car ID
Group: vintageHO Message: 7013 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Harris & Matteucci
Group: vintageHO Message: 7014 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Knapp Passenger Cars - Exacta package arrived
Group: vintageHO Message: 7015 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Where Infomation comes from
Group: vintageHO Message: 7016 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Knapp Passenger Cars - Exacta package arrived
Group: vintageHO Message: 7017 From: Garry Spear Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Re: Help with eBay Car ID
Group: vintageHO Message: 7018 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Harris & Matteucci
Group: vintageHO Message: 7019 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Schrader EP-4
Group: vintageHO Message: 7020 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Hobbies Inc.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7021 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbies Inc.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7022 From: John Hagen Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbies Inc.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7023 From: John Hagen Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Revell 1961 Chryslers
Group: vintageHO Message: 7024 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Revell 1961 Chryslers
Group: vintageHO Message: 7025 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Hobbies Inc.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7026 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbies Inc.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7027 From: John Hagen Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Revell 1961 Chryslers
Group: vintageHO Message: 7028 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: program failure
Group: vintageHO Message: 7029 From: madchemep2@aol.com Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Revell 1961 Chryslers
Group: vintageHO Message: 7030 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Schrader GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7031 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Schrader GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7032 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Varney 4-8-4 Electric
Group: vintageHO Message: 7033 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Varney 4-8-4 Electric
Group: vintageHO Message: 7034 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Varney 4-8-4 Electric
Group: vintageHO Message: 7035 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: Varney 4-8-4 Electric
Group: vintageHO Message: 7036 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Boxes
Group: vintageHO Message: 7037 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: FAMOCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7038 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: FAMOCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7039 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: plans for FAMOCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7040 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: FAMOCO correction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7041 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: FAMOCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7042 From: trainjerr Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: Varney 4-8-4 Electric
Group: vintageHO Message: 7043 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Varney's Electric.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7044 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: FAMOCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7045 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: FAMOCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7046 From: Dave Ayers Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: JL Models Bascule bridge kit plans
Group: vintageHO Message: 7047 From: trainjerr Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: Varney's Electric.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7048 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: Varney's Electric.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7049 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: DIY Pantograph
Group: vintageHO Message: 7050 From: oljoeoh Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: FAMOCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7051 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: JL Models Bascule bridge kit plans
Group: vintageHO Message: 7052 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: FAMOCO B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7053 From: John Barlow Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: JL Models Bascule bridge kit plans
Group: vintageHO Message: 7054 From: Glenn476 Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: FAMOCO B-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7055 From: Ray Marinaccio Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: DIY Pantograph
Group: vintageHO Message: 7056 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7057 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: FAMOCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7058 From: Russ Shiel Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Empire Midland tunnel motor
Group: vintageHO Message: 7059 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7060 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7061 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7062 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: penn Line eyewitness
Group: vintageHO Message: 7063 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Pittman "Bride and Groom"
Group: vintageHO Message: 7064 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: penn Line eyewitness
Group: vintageHO Message: 7065 From: oljoe@landolls.com Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: penn Line eyewitness
Group: vintageHO Message: 7066 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: penn Line eyewitness
Group: vintageHO Message: 7067 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: penn Line eyewitness
Group: vintageHO Message: 7068 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: penn Line eyewitness
Group: vintageHO Message: 7069 From: oljoe@landolls.com Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: penn Line eyewitness
Group: vintageHO Message: 7070 From: rcjge Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Wow, NIB Varney GG1! OK, it's likely a Penn Line?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7071 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: penn Line eyewitness
Group: vintageHO Message: 7072 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Newly Found Varney tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 7073 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7074 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7075 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7076 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7077 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7078 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: penn Line eyewitness
Group: vintageHO Message: 7079 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7080 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Material Ray sent
Group: vintageHO Message: 7081 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7082 From: morgantownrr Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7083 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7084 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: HOTCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7085 From: John Hagen Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: HOTCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7086 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7087 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Fwd: [vintageHO] Harry J. Garrett, was -Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7088 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7089 From: oljoeoh Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: HOTCO GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7090 From: rcjge Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7091 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7092 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7093 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Harry J. Garrett, was -Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7094 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: GARCO PRODUCTS cast by A&S
Group: vintageHO Message: 7095 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: More GARCO PRODUCTS
Group: vintageHO Message: 7096 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7097 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: GARCO AGAIN
Group: vintageHO Message: 7098 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: More GARCO PRODUCTS
Group: vintageHO Message: 7099 From: Chris B Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: GARCO AGAIN
Group: vintageHO Message: 7100 From: Chris B Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: GARCO AGAIN
Group: vintageHO Message: 7101 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: GARCO AGAIN
Group: vintageHO Message: 7102 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: More GARCO PRODUCTS
Group: vintageHO Message: 7103 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7104 From: Russ Shiel Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7105 From: Chris B Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7106 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7107 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7108 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7109 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7110 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7111 From: oljoeoh Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7112 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7113 From: Denny Anspach Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7114 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7115 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7116 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7117 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7118 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7119 From: Chris B Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7120 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7121 From: Chris B Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7122 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7123 From: commodore_vanderberry Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7124 From: Chris B Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7125 From: Chris B Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7126 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7127 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7128 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7129 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7130 From: Chris B Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7131 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Dallas Model Craft
Group: vintageHO Message: 7132 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7133 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: compare side frames
Group: vintageHO Message: 7134 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7135 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Harry J. Garrett, was -Varney Yellowstone
Group: vintageHO Message: 7136 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Dallas Model Craft
Group: vintageHO Message: 7137 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: shows, list vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7138 From: Graeme Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7139 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Dallas Model Craft
Group: vintageHO Message: 7140 From: Riverboy Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7141 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7142 From: Graeme Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7143 From: Howard R Garner Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7144 From: Riverboy Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7145 From: Chris B Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7146 From: Chris B Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: compare side frames
Group: vintageHO Message: 7147 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7148 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7149 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7150 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7151 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7152 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7153 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Dallas Model Craft
Group: vintageHO Message: 7154 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7155 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7156 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7157 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: add to DMC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7158 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7159 From: Glenn476 Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7160 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7161 From: Glenn476 Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7162 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Garco Engine Pictures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7163 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7164 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7165 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7166 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7167 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7168 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7169 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7170 From: Graeme Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7171 From: Graeme Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7172 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7173 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7174 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7175 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7176 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7177 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7178 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7179 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7180 From: Graeme Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7181 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7182 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7183 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: DMC E unit 2nd type
Group: vintageHO Message: 7184 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7185 From: John Hagen Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: DMC E unit 2nd type
Group: vintageHO Message: 7186 From: Chris B Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: DMC E unit 2nd type
Group: vintageHO Message: 7187 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7188 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Fwd: [vintageHO] Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7189 From: Chris B Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7190 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7191 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7192 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: DMC E unit 2nd type
Group: vintageHO Message: 7193 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: DMC E unit 2nd type
Group: vintageHO Message: 7194 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7195 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Last of Garco paper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7196 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7197 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7198 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7199 From: Mike Bauers Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Fwd: [sherline] News: Oso has acquired NorthWest Short Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 7200 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Northwest Shortline
Group: vintageHO Message: 7201 From: Glenn476 Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7202 From: Denny Anspach Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7203 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7204 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Dallas Model Craft FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 7205 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7206 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7207 From: John Hagen Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Dallas Model Craft FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 7208 From: Chris B Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7209 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7210 From: Chris B Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7211 From: Glenn476 Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Pacific Traction
Group: vintageHO Message: 7212 From: pvande1@comcast.net Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7213 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Dallas Model Craft FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 7214 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7215 From: Steven Winter Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7216 From: John Hagen Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Dallas Model Craft FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 7217 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7218 From: John Barlow Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Dallas Model Craft FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 7219 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Last of Dallas Model Craft
Group: vintageHO Message: 7220 From: Louis Greiff Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7221 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7222 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7223 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7224 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7225 From: Denny Anspach Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Dallas Model Craft FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 7226 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7227 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7228 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Lawrence Labs GP-7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7229 From: Rick Jones Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7230 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Fw: Lawrence Labs GP-7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7231 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7232 From: wildwoodjct Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7233 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7234 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7235 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7236 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7237 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7238 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7239 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7240 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Lindsay 1000 HP Diesel Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 7241 From: Louis Greiff Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7242 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7243 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7244 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7245 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7246 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Fw: Lindsay 1000 HP Diesel Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 7247 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lawrence Labs GP-7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7248 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7249 From: Steven Winter Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lindsay 1000 HP Diesel Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 7250 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7251 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lindsay 1000 HP Diesel Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 7252 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7253 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7254 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lindsay 1000 HP Diesel Switcher
Group: vintageHO Message: 7255 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7256 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7257 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7258 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7259 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7260 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7261 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7262 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7263 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7264 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7265 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7266 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7267 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7268 From: Louis Greiff Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7269 From: Louis Greiff Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7270 From: Louis Greiff Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7271 From: Bill Wright Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7272 From: Jerry Prather Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7273 From: Howard R Garner Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7274 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7275 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7276 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7277 From: Denny Anspach Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lawrence Labs GP-7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7278 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Administrative note:
Group: vintageHO Message: 7279 From: Sean Naylor Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Administrative note:
Group: vintageHO Message: 7280 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7281 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Administrative note:
Group: vintageHO Message: 7282 From: jay matz Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7283 From: john huffman Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Administrative note:
Group: vintageHO Message: 7284 From: Don Dellmann Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7285 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Lawrence Labs GP-7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7286 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7287 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Can you guess ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7288 From: Bill Daley Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Dallas Model Craft FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 7289 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7290 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7291 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7292 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7293 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7294 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7295 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Administrative note:
Group: vintageHO Message: 7296 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7297 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7298 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7299 From: Charles Windes Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7300 From: sean naylor Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7301 From: Gary Woodard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7302 From: Louis Greiff Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7303 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7304 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7305 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7306 From: Mike Sloane Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7307 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Tender by who ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7308 From: Rick Jones Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7309 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7310 From: Maynard Keith Franklin Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Lawrence Labs GP-7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7311 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Can you guess ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7312 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7313 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Dallas Model Craft FT's
Group: vintageHO Message: 7314 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7315 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: 4-4-2 sold by both
Group: vintageHO Message: 7316 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Can you guess ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7317 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7318 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7319 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Can you guess ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7320 From: Jim Heckard Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7321 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: DMC E unit 2nd type
Group: vintageHO Message: 7322 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7323 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Fw: [1-87scalevehiclesales] I checked this with Yahoo and you can se
Group: vintageHO Message: 7324 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: New One Mikado Tenders
Group: vintageHO Message: 7325 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: 4-4-2 sold by both
Group: vintageHO Message: 7326 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7327 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7328 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7329 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: New One 4-6-0 GHC Camelback
Group: vintageHO Message: 7330 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7331 From: Dave Ayers Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7332 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: New One 0-4-0 Camelback(s) ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7333 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7334 From: Rick Jones Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: [1-87scalevehiclesales] I checked this with Yahoo and you ca
Group: vintageHO Message: 7335 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7336 From: MRLENGAL2U@aol.com Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan... Hobbytown/English/Hobbline confusion
Group: vintageHO Message: 7337 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7338 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Identify Mobilgas tank car?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7339 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7340 From: Roger Aultman Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7341 From: Lee Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7342 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Train-Miniature
Group: vintageHO Message: 7343 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: 2 Mint New One Engines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7344 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Crescent powered E unit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7345 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7346 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7347 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan... Hobbytown/English/Hobbline confusion
Group: vintageHO Message: 7348 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: List, Train Shows vs Ebay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7349 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7350 From: Dave Ayers Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7351 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: A Sad Site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7352 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: clarify one point
Group: vintageHO Message: 7353 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: New Vids of Trainz
Group: vintageHO Message: 7354 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: A Sad Site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7355 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: J S Cambron PA & PB
Group: vintageHO Message: 7356 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: New One Japan
Group: vintageHO Message: 7357 From: Lennard Stewart Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: A Sad Site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7358 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: TM Train Minatures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7359 From: Jerry Garteiser Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: TM Train Minatures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7360 From: Ray Hobin Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Zamac-pest: Was "New One"...i
Group: vintageHO Message: 7361 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: A Sad Site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7362 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: TM Train Minatures
Group: vintageHO Message: 7363 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Zamac-pest: Was "New One"...i
Group: vintageHO Message: 7364 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Zamac-pest: Was "New One"...i
Group: vintageHO Message: 7365 From: John Hagen Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Zamac-pest: Was "New One"...i
Group: vintageHO Message: 7366 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7367 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Fw: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7368 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7369 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7370 From: John Hagen Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7371 From: morgantownrr Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7372 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7373 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7374 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Alco FA-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7375 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Reply to Gerold
Group: vintageHO Message: 7376 From: jay matz Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7377 From: John Hagen Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Reply to Gerold
Group: vintageHO Message: 7378 From: Chris B Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7379 From: Chris B Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7380 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7381 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7382 From: Rick Jones Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7383 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7384 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7385 From: ron plyler Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: New to group
Group: vintageHO Message: 7386 From: morgantownrr Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7387 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: vintageHO Message: 7388 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Barr Nixon
Group: vintageHO Message: 7389 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: vintageHO Message: 7390 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Barr Nixon
Group: vintageHO Message: 7391 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Barr Nixon
Group: vintageHO Message: 7392 From: Steven Winter Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: vintageHO Message: 7393 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: vintageHO Message: 7394 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: vintageHO Message: 7395 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Spring belts
Group: vintageHO Message: 7396 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7397 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Barr Nixon
Group: vintageHO Message: 7398 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7399 From: Nick Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7400 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: vintageHO Message: 7401 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: 090 Varney Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 7402 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: must add to 090
Group: vintageHO Message: 7403 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: 090 Varney Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 7404 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: 090 Varney Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 7405 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbytown RDC
Group: vintageHO Message: 7406 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Barr Nixon
Group: vintageHO Message: 7407 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: 090 Varney Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 7408 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: 090 Varney Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 7409 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: PRR GG1 Tetsudo
Group: vintageHO Message: 7410 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 7411 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: PRR GG1 Tetsudo
Group: vintageHO Message: 7412 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: computer and date problem
Group: vintageHO Message: 7413 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage Again
Group: vintageHO Message: 7414 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Fwd: [vintageHO] 090 Varney Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 7415 From: Steven Winter Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: computer and date problem
Group: vintageHO Message: 7416 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: computer and date problem
Group: vintageHO Message: 7417 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Fwd: [vintageHO] Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7418 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: 090 Varney Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 7419 From: Mike Sloane Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: vintageHO Message: 7420 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: 090 Varney pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 7421 From: Rick Jones Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Fwd: [vintageHO] Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7422 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: 090 Varney Pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 7423 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: 090 Varney pacific
Group: vintageHO Message: 7424 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Fwd: [vintageHO] Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7425 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: computer and date problem
Group: vintageHO Message: 7426 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7427 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7428 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7429 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7430 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Fwd: [vintageHO] Laconia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7431 From: Roger Aultman Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7432 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7433 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Barr Nixon
Group: vintageHO Message: 7434 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7435 From: Russ Shiel Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: 1919 Car Builder's Cyclopedia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7436 From: John Hagen Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7437 From: John Hagen Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7438 From: Mike Sloane Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 1919 Car Builder's Cyclopedia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7439 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 1919 Car Builder's Cyclopedia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7440 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7441 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: More Pics
Group: vintageHO Message: 7442 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 1919 Car Builder's Cyclopedia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7443 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7444 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 1919 Car Builder's Cyclopedia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7445 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7446 From: Rick Jones Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7447 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: 2nd Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 7448 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7449 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7450 From: Roger Aultman Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 2nd Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 7451 From: John Hagen Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7452 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7453 From: John Hagen Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7454 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 2nd Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 7455 From: John Hagen Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7456 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7457 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7458 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage Part 2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7459 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Fw: [oscaletrains] Link
Group: vintageHO Message: 7460 From: Mike Sloane Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7461 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: New One GHC 2nd type 0-4-0 Camelback
Group: vintageHO Message: 7462 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7463 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7464 From: Denny Anspach Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 1919 Car Builder's Cyclopedia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7465 From: Roger Aultman Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 2nd Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 7466 From: Russ Shiel Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 1919 Car Builder's Cyclopedia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7467 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 2nd Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 7468 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7469 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 2nd Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 7470 From: John Hagen Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7471 From: Roger Aultman Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: 2nd Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 7472 From: John Hagen Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7473 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7474 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7475 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][vintageHO] Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7476 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7477 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage Part 2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7478 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7479 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Gilbert DL600 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7480 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7481 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert DL600 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7482 From: Willard Seehorn Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Latin (was): Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7483 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: 2nd Super Scale
Group: vintageHO Message: 7484 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert DL600 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7485 From: John Hagen Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7486 From: John Hagen Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7487 From: ron_tallyho Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert DL600 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7488 From: Jack Priller Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: FYI: eBay vendor
Group: vintageHO Message: 7489 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7490 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7491 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Runnning Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7492 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Pennsylvania Scale Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 7493 From: Garry Spear Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: New One GHC 4-2-2 and 999 NYC engines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7494 From: Garry Spear Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: FS: 1919 Car Builder's Cyclopedia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7495 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Train Meet this weekend in Allentown Pa
Group: vintageHO Message: 7496 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania Scale Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 7497 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert DL600 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7498 From: Don Grant Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Gilbert DL600 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7499 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: New One GHC 4-2-2 and 999 NYC engines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7500 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: FS: 1919 Car Builder's Cyclopedia
Group: vintageHO Message: 7501 From: Garry Spear Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: New One GHC 4-2-2 and 999 NYC engines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7502 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: New One GHC 4-2-2 and 999 NYC engines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7503 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New One GHC 4-2-2 and 999 NYC engines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7504 From: magnoliastation Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: A Sad Site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7505 From: Dave Ayers Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Authenticast vs. Comet slag cars ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7506 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7507 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Better Pics Aristo Rossi 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7508 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New One GHC 4-2-2 and 999 NYC engines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7509 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7510 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New One GHC 4-2-2 and 999 NYC engines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7511 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7512 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Rivarossi FM C Liner
Group: vintageHO Message: 7513 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi FM C Liner (translate)
Group: vintageHO Message: 7514 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi FM C Liner
Group: vintageHO Message: 7515 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi FM C Liner (translate)
Group: vintageHO Message: 7516 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7517 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Rivarossi FM
Group: vintageHO Message: 7518 From: Gerald Garteiser Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7519 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7520 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7521 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7522 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7523 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7524 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: PING Jim Heckard
Group: vintageHO Message: 7525 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7526 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7527 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7528 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: PING Jim Heckard
Group: vintageHO Message: 7529 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7530 From: oahurailway Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7531 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: BL2 repaint
Group: vintageHO Message: 7532 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi FM C Liner
Group: vintageHO Message: 7533 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Early Walthers
Group: vintageHO Message: 7534 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Early Walthers
Group: vintageHO Message: 7535 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Early Walthers
Group: vintageHO Message: 7536 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Early Walthers
Group: vintageHO Message: 7537 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Varney Wooten Firebox Consolidation?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7538 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Wooten Firebox Consolidation?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7539 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Rivarossi Southern Pacific 4-4-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7540 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Wooten Firebox Consolidation?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7541 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Walther's ALCO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7542 From: Ray Marinaccio Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's ALCO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7543 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Early Walthers
Group: vintageHO Message: 7544 From: Al Campbell Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Seaboard Hopper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7545 From: Gerald Garteiser Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Seaboard Hopper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7546 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Seaboard Hopper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7547 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: BL2 repaint
Group: vintageHO Message: 7548 From: Gerald Garteiser Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Seaboard Hopper
Group: vintageHO Message: 7549 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Wooten Firebox Consolidation?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7550 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Wooten Firebox Consolidation?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7551 From: John Hagen Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Wooten Firebox Consolidation?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7552 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Wooten Firebox Consolidation?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7553 From: Denny Anspach Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's ALCO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7554 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Walther's Birney Trolley
Group: vintageHO Message: 7555 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Walther's "Shuttle Jack"
Group: vintageHO Message: 7556 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7557 From: Roger Aultman Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack"
Group: vintageHO Message: 7558 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack"
Group: vintageHO Message: 7559 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7560 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7561 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's Birney Trolley
Group: vintageHO Message: 7562 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7563 From: Roger Aultman Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack"
Group: vintageHO Message: 7564 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Fwd: Vintage H0 Layout Tape -- Varney Vandy Tender
Group: vintageHO Message: 7565 From: Chris B Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7566 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7567 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Varney Vandy Tender Questions
Group: vintageHO Message: 7568 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7569 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7570 From: Chris B Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7571 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: How to do varnished wood ??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7572 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's Birney Trolley
Group: vintageHO Message: 7573 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7574 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7575 From: Denny Anspach Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Walthers/Taylor Baltic 4-6-4
Group: vintageHO Message: 7576 From: Bill Wright Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: How to do varnished wood ??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7577 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: John English 2-8-0 castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 7578 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers/Taylor Baltic 4-6-4
Group: vintageHO Message: 7579 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Varney Tenders
Group: vintageHO Message: 7580 From: Dave Ayers Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: MaRa 2-6-6-6 Allegeheny parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 7581 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Varney Vanderbilt Tenders
Group: vintageHO Message: 7582 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Tenders
Group: vintageHO Message: 7583 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Arden RS-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7584 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Varney Bronze Pre War Vanderbilt tender ??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7585 From: Rick Jones Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: A Sad Site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7586 From: Ray Marinaccio Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Arden RS-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7587 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Arden RS-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7588 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Arden RS-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7589 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Arden RS-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7590 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: bidding secrets
Group: vintageHO Message: 7591 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Arden RS-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7592 From: bitlerisvj Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Vic's Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7593 From: John Hagen Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Vic's Vintage
Group: vintageHO Message: 7594 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Arden RS-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7595 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Tenders
Group: vintageHO Message: 7596 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Arden RS-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7597 From: MRLENGAL2U@aol.com Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Arden RS-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7598 From: Riverboy Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7599 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Varney 200 Consy, 300 Mikado
Group: vintageHO Message: 7600 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: VarneyC&NW Oservation
Group: vintageHO Message: 7601 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7602 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7603 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7604 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7605 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Bronze Pre War Vanderbilt tender ??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7606 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7607 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Tenders
Group: vintageHO Message: 7608 From: Riverboy Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7609 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Varney 200 Consy, 300 Mikado
Group: vintageHO Message: 7610 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Tenders
Group: vintageHO Message: 7611 From: Willard Seehorn Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7612 From: John Hagen Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7613 From: John Hagen Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7614 From: Riverboy Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7615 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Tenders
Group: vintageHO Message: 7616 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Arden RS-2
Group: vintageHO Message: 7617 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers/Taylor Baltic 4-6-4
Group: vintageHO Message: 7618 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Baltic 4-6-4
Group: vintageHO Message: 7619 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7620 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers Baltic 4-6-4
Group: vintageHO Message: 7621 From: John Hagen Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7622 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Tenders
Group: vintageHO Message: 7623 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Tenders
Group: vintageHO Message: 7624 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: need ideas or help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7625 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7626 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: an addition to collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7627 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: need ideas or help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7628 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: need ideas or help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7629 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: need ideas or help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7630 From: Don Grant Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: Help Identifying Unknown Baggage Car
Group: vintageHO Message: 7631 From: MRLENGAL2U@aol.com Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: an addition to collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7632 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: an addition to collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7633 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: an addition to collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7634 From: Russ Shiel Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Red Ball catalog #11
Group: vintageHO Message: 7635 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Varney power truck conversion
Group: vintageHO Message: 7636 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7637 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7638 From: John Barlow Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7639 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7640 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7641 From: John Hagen Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7642 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Red Ball catalog #11
Group: vintageHO Message: 7643 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7644 From: John Barlow Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7645 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Red Ball catalog #11
Group: vintageHO Message: 7646 From: Rick Jones Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7647 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Appreciate advice
Group: vintageHO Message: 7648 From: Rick Jones Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Appreciate advice
Group: vintageHO Message: 7649 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Appreciate advice
Group: vintageHO Message: 7650 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7651 From: Chris B Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7652 From: Rick Jones Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Appreciate advice
Group: vintageHO Message: 7653 From: Mike Sloane Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Appreciate advice
Group: vintageHO Message: 7654 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7655 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7656 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Appreciate advice
Group: vintageHO Message: 7657 From: Rick Jones Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7658 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7659 From: sean naylor Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7660 From: Dst8596587@aol.com Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7661 From: Chris B Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7662 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7663 From: John Hagen Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7664 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7665 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7666 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7667 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7668 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7669 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7670 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7671 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7672 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Walther's "Shuttle Jack" - I have one of those!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7673 From: topstokes Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7674 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: need ID help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7675 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7676 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7677 From: topstokes Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7678 From: Mike Bauers Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: need ID help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7679 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: some vintage modification
Group: vintageHO Message: 7680 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7681 From: Gary Woodard Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: need ID help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7682 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: vintage H0 ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 7683 From: Gerald Garteiser Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: some vintage modification
Group: vintageHO Message: 7684 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: not available
Group: vintageHO Message: 7685 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua coupler height Gauge Ping to Glenn!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7686 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua coupler height Gauge Ping to Glenn!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7687 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua coupler height Gauge Ping to Glenn!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7688 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua coupler height Gauge Ping to Glenn!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7689 From: Jay Matz Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: new auction site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7690 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: new auction site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7691 From: Larry Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: new auction site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7692 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: new auction site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7693 From: Sean Naylor Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: new auction site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7694 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: new auction site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7695 From: Jim Heckard Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: IMP Electric
Group: vintageHO Message: 7696 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: new auction site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7697 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: new auction site
Group: vintageHO Message: 7698 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: IMP Electric
Group: vintageHO Message: 7699 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: IMP Electric
Group: vintageHO Message: 7700 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: IMP Electric
Group: vintageHO Message: 7701 From: erieberk Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Pre-War Varney leaf spring
Group: vintageHO Message: 7702 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: IMP Electric
Group: vintageHO Message: 7703 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: IC suburban
Group: vintageHO Message: 7704 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua coupler height Gauge Ping to Glenn!
Group: vintageHO Message: 7705 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Pre-War Varney leaf spring
Group: vintageHO Message: 7706 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: IC suburban
Group: vintageHO Message: 7707 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: IC suburban
Group: vintageHO Message: 7708 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: IC suburban
Group: vintageHO Message: 7709 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: VarneyC&NW Oservation
Group: vintageHO Message: 7710 From: Andy B Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7711 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7712 From: Steven Winter Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7713 From: Charles Windes Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7714 From: Fred Stevens K2FRD Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member - Lionel
Group: vintageHO Message: 7715 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7716 From: Lennard Stewart Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Old Horse Drawn Wagons
Group: vintageHO Message: 7717 From: Don Dellmann Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Old Horse Drawn Wagons
Group: vintageHO Message: 7718 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7719 From: ho6471trains Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: American Precision Models
Group: vintageHO Message: 7720 From: g94a95 Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Penn Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 7721 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7722 From: Roger Aultman Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7723 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7724 From: Larry Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7725 From: Glenn476 Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: vintageHO Message: 7726 From: stipaa Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: AHM kit # 5820 (GRUSUM CASKET CO)
Group: vintageHO Message: 7727 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: New collection addition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7728 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: Re: New collection addition (small correction)
Group: vintageHO Message: 7729 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 10/1/2008
Subject: Re: New collection addition (small correction)
Group: vintageHO Message: 7730 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: need part
Group: vintageHO Message: 7731 From: tomvanhoy Date: 10/5/2008
Subject: fiber board
Group: vintageHO Message: 7732 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: fiber board
Group: vintageHO Message: 7733 From: tomvanhoy Date: 10/6/2008
Subject: Re: fiber board
Group: vintageHO Message: 7734 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Link for Mantua parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 7735 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: Link for Mantua parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 7736 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: Link for Mantua parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 7737 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: Link for Mantua parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 7738 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 10/11/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Link for Mantua parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 7739 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7740 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7741 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7742 From: Gerald Garteiser Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7743 From: John Hagen Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7744 From: John Hagen Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7745 From: John Hagen Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Me too
Group: vintageHO Message: 7746 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7747 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/12/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7748 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7749 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7750 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7751 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7752 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7753 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7754 From: Denny Anspach Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Kemtron Brass Baldwin switcher on eBay: Was: latest project for col
Group: vintageHO Message: 7755 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/13/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7756 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7757 From: Fred Alles Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Gears for Gilbert HO Diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 7758 From: jay matz Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Gears for Gilbert HO Diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 7759 From: Jay Matz Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Gears for Gilbert HO Diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 7760 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Gears for Gilbert HO Diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 7761 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Kemtron Brass Baldwin switcher on eBay
Group: vintageHO Message: 7762 From: Charles Windes Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection Question??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7763 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection Question??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7764 From: John Hagen Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection Question??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7765 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection Question??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7766 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection
Group: vintageHO Message: 7767 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Resin
Group: vintageHO Message: 7768 From: Gary Woodard Date: 10/14/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection Question??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7769 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Gears for Gilbert HO Diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 7770 From: Charles Windes Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection Question??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7771 From: Charles Windes Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection Question??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7772 From: Andrew Bell Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Old model kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7773 From: Steven Winter Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Marx HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7774 From: Mike Bauers Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection Question??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7775 From: Don Dellmann Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection Question??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7776 From: Don Dellmann Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Marx HO
Group: vintageHO Message: 7777 From: John Hagen Date: 10/15/2008
Subject: Re: Latest project for collection Question??
Group: vintageHO Message: 7778 From: Russ Shiel Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Shoreham NP slumbercoach
Group: vintageHO Message: 7779 From: Gerald Garteiser Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: Shoreham NP slumbercoach
Group: vintageHO Message: 7780 From: frank Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Hello everybody !
Group: vintageHO Message: 7781 From: frank Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Me again !
Group: vintageHO Message: 7782 From: Don Dellmann Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: Me again !
Group: vintageHO Message: 7783 From: oahurailway Date: 10/16/2008
Subject: Re: Me again !
Group: vintageHO Message: 7784 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Lionel Pacific was:Re: Me again !
Group: vintageHO Message: 7785 From: Mike Bauers Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Pacific was:Re: Me again !
Group: vintageHO Message: 7786 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Pacific was:Re: Me again !
Group: vintageHO Message: 7787 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Blue Line IC 85' passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 7788 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Pacific was:Re: Me again !
Group: vintageHO Message: 7789 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: Lionel Pacific was:Re: Me again !
Group: vintageHO Message: 7790 From: Charlie Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7791 From: John Barlow Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7792 From: Don Dellmann Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7793 From: Andrew Bell Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Dan Bush
Group: vintageHO Message: 7794 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/17/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7795 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Lionel Pacific was:Re: Me again !
Group: vintageHO Message: 7796 From: Mike Bauers Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7797 From: Don Dellmann Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7798 From: Mike Bauers Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7799 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7800 From: Charlie Date: 10/18/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7801 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7802 From: Don Dellmann Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7803 From: Charles Windes Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7804 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7805 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/19/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7806 From: Don Dellmann Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7807 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: check out
Group: vintageHO Message: 7808 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: check out
Group: vintageHO Message: 7809 From: Charles Windes Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7810 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: check out
Group: vintageHO Message: 7811 From: Don Dellmann Date: 10/20/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7812 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7813 From: Charles Windes Date: 10/21/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7814 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Welcome Rick
Group: vintageHO Message: 7815 From: Rick Tonet Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Welcome Rick
Group: vintageHO Message: 7816 From: Rick Jones Date: 10/22/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7817 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: CV Sidedoor Cabooses - was: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7818 From: Gerald Garteiser Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: CV Sidedoor Cabooses - was: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7819 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: CV Sidedoor Cabooses - was: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7820 From: Glenn476 Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: CV Sidedoor Cabooses - was: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7821 From: Rick Jones Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: CV Sidedoor Cabooses - was: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7822 From: Don Dellmann Date: 10/23/2008
Subject: Re: CV Sidedoor Cabooses - was: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7823 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7824 From: Larry Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7825 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7826 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7827 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7828 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7829 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: CV Sidedoor Cabooses - was: Re: Athearn Turbine
Group: vintageHO Message: 7830 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 10/26/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7831 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7832 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7833 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7834 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/28/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7835 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Help needed to identify era for Japanses brass kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7836 From: ron plyler Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Question of site.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7837 From: Gerry D Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Question of site.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7838 From: John Hagen Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Question of site.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7839 From: Don Dellmann Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Re: Question of site.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7840 From: rcjge Date: 10/29/2008
Subject: Vintage Brass Baldwin Steeplecab ID help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7841 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass Baldwin Steeplecab ID help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7842 From: Larry Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass Baldwin Steeplecab ID help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7843 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass Baldwin Steeplecab ID help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7844 From: bongiovanni12001 Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Vintage Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 7845 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 7846 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 7847 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 7848 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass Baldwin Steeplecab ID help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7849 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 7850 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 7851 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 7852 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass Baldwin Steeplecab ID help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7853 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 10/30/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 7854 From: rny11 Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass Baldwin Steeplecab ID help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7855 From: bongiovanni12001 Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Vintage Brass
Group: vintageHO Message: 7856 From: Jim Heckard Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: need information
Group: vintageHO Message: 7857 From: man.ukin Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: deleting my ho collection 5000 ho people, 2000 lamps, 2000 cars etc
Group: vintageHO Message: 7858 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: need information
Group: vintageHO Message: 7859 From: erieberk Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: need information
Group: vintageHO Message: 7860 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Stock GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7861 From: Rick Tonet Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: deleting my ho collection 5000 ho people, 2000 lamps, 2000 cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 7862 From: Don Dellmann Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Newest aquisition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7863 From: Larry Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Newest aquisition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7864 From: erieberk Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Stock GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7865 From: John Hagen Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Newest aquisition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7866 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Great information Ray
Group: vintageHO Message: 7867 From: Mike Bauers Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Newest aquisition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7868 From: Jens Kinne Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: deleting my ho collection 5000 ho people, 2000 lamps, 2000 cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 7869 From: Don Dellmann Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Newest aquisition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7870 From: John Hagen Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Newest aquisition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7871 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Stock GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7872 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Stock GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7873 From: Gary Woodard Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: My Latest Vids
Group: vintageHO Message: 7874 From: jbark76 Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: deleting my ho collection 5000 ho people, 2000 lamps, 2000 cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 7875 From: Jens Kinne Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: deleting my ho collection 5000 ho people, 2000 lamps, 2000 cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 7876 From: Jim Snyder Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Vintage"Golden Age" Brass...
Group: vintageHO Message: 7877 From: Jim Snyder Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Vintage"Golden Age" Brass...
Group: vintageHO Message: 7878 From: Glenn476 Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: surplus stuff
Group: vintageHO Message: 7879 From: Jens Kinne Date: 11/5/2008
Subject: Re: surplus stuff
Group: vintageHO Message: 7880 From: John Hagen Date: 11/7/2008
Subject: Trainfest
Group: vintageHO Message: 7881 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 11/9/2008
Subject: Selling Broadway Limited HO brass cars by SoHo
Group: vintageHO Message: 7882 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Finished Stock GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7883 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Finished Stock GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7884 From: Denny Anspach Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Varney trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 7885 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Finished Stock GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7886 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Finished Stock GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7887 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 11/11/2008
Subject: Re: Finished Stock GG-1
Group: vintageHO Message: 7888 From: railwaymodeler Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 7889 From: erieberk Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 7890 From: railwaymodeler Date: 11/12/2008
Subject: Re: Varney trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 7891 From: Denny Anspach Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Varney trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 7892 From: Larry Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: Re: Varney trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 7893 From: Rick Tonet Date: 11/13/2008
Subject: AHM Train Set Posters
Group: vintageHO Message: 7894 From: Steven Winter Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Marx id
Group: vintageHO Message: 7895 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Marx id
Group: vintageHO Message: 7896 From: Steven Winter Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Marx id
Group: vintageHO Message: 7897 From: Steven Winter Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Marx id
Group: vintageHO Message: 7898 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Re: Marx id
Group: vintageHO Message: 7899 From: sswcharlie Date: 11/14/2008
Subject: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7900 From: jay matz Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7901 From: erieberk Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7902 From: John Hagen Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7903 From: John Hagen Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7904 From: Larry Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7905 From: railwaymodeler Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Varney trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 7906 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Mantua 'Loop' couplers
Group: vintageHO Message: 7907 From: Charlie Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7908 From: Charlie Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7909 From: Charlie Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7910 From: Charlie Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7911 From: John Hagen Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7912 From: Don Dellmann Date: 11/15/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7913 From: Denny Anspach Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Varney trucks
Group: vintageHO Message: 7914 From: Don Dellmann Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid 'Mathieson Dry Ice Cars'
Group: vintageHO Message: 7915 From: Mike Bauers Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: need direction/diagram for kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7916 From: Victor Bitleris Date: 11/16/2008
Subject: Re: need direction/diagram for kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7917 From: Mike Bauers Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: need direction/diagram for kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7918 From: rcjge Date: 11/17/2008
Subject: Re: need direction/diagram for kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7919 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: new project
Group: vintageHO Message: 7920 From: John Barlow Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: Acquiring a Golden Oldie...Need an Info Source
Group: vintageHO Message: 7921 From: Gary Woodard Date: 11/19/2008
Subject: Re: new project
Group: vintageHO Message: 7922 From: Mike Bauers Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: I need a URL
Group: vintageHO Message: 7923 From: Roger Aultman Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: I need a URL
Group: vintageHO Message: 7924 From: Mike Bauers Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: I need a URL
Group: vintageHO Message: 7925 From: Roger Aultman Date: 11/20/2008
Subject: Re: I need a URL
Group: vintageHO Message: 7926 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/26/2008
Subject: Anybody know
Group: vintageHO Message: 7927 From: Don Dellmann Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7928 From: railwaymodeler Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7929 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 11/27/2008
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving.
Group: vintageHO Message: 7930 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: need help
Group: vintageHO Message: 7931 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: found out about Bromo Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 7932 From: Graeme Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: found out about Bromo Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 7933 From: Riverboy Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: found out about Bromo Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 7934 From: Riverboy Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: found out about Bromo Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 7935 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/28/2008
Subject: Re: found out about Bromo Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 7936 From: Don Dellmann Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Re: found out about Bromo Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 7937 From: railwaymodeler Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Re: found out about Bromo Line
Group: vintageHO Message: 7938 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Bromo, Penn Line, Athearn
Group: vintageHO Message: 7939 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7940 From: Don Dellmann Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7941 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7942 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Knapp Passenger Cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 7943 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7944 From: Mike Bauers Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7945 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/29/2008
Subject: Penn Line version
Group: vintageHO Message: 7946 From: Don Dellmann Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7947 From: Jim Heckard Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7948 From: Reinaldo Astorino Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Kadee coupler
Group: vintageHO Message: 7949 From: Mike Sloane Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Re: Kadee coupler
Group: vintageHO Message: 7950 From: PBowers Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: Interlocking plant parts
Group: vintageHO Message: 7951 From: man.ukin Date: 11/30/2008
Subject: so many questions about other auction places
Group: vintageHO Message: 7952 From: magnoliastation Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: Regarding Bromo Lines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7953 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/1/2008
Subject: New addition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7954 From: MRLENGAL2U@aol.com Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: New addition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7955 From: Bill Wright Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7956 From: Mike Sloane Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7957 From: Ray Marinaccio Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: New addition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7958 From: Denny Anspach Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: New addition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7959 From: Mike Sloane Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: New addition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7960 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: New addition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7961 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: New addition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7962 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: New addition
Group: vintageHO Message: 7963 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7964 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Regarding Bromo Lines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7965 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7966 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: ATT passenger car from awhile back
Group: vintageHO Message: 7967 From: Rick Jones Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7968 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7969 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/2/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7970 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7971 From: Mike Sloane Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7972 From: Jerry Prather Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7973 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7974 From: Rick Jones Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7975 From: Jerry Prather Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7976 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Was: Time to build a tugboat kit / now : real water
Group: vintageHO Message: 7977 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7978 From: Steven Stoikes Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Regarding Bromo Lines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7979 From: Jerry Prather Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7980 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7981 From: trainliker Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7982 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7983 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7984 From: Don Dellmann Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7985 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/3/2008
Subject: Re: Athearn F7 vs Penn Line F7
Group: vintageHO Message: 7986 From: Mike Sloane Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7987 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7988 From: Mike Sloane Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7989 From: Bill Wright Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Time to build a tugboat kit
Group: vintageHO Message: 7990 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Regarding Bromo Lines
Group: vintageHO Message: 7991 From: My-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Car tilt
Group: vintageHO Message: 7992 From: jay matz Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Car tilt
Group: vintageHO Message: 7993 From: railwaymodeler Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Car tilt
Group: vintageHO Message: 7994 From: My-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Car tilt
Group: vintageHO Message: 7995 From: My-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Car tilt
Group: vintageHO Message: 7996 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Car tilt
Group: vintageHO Message: 7997 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Car tilt
Group: vintageHO Message: 7998 From: My-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Car tilt
Group: vintageHO Message: 7999 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/4/2008
Subject: Re: Car tilt
Group: vintageHO Message: 8000 From: Gary Woodard Date: 12/6/2008
Subject: New Vids
Group: vintageHO Message: 8001 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Varney Class Lights
Group: vintageHO Message: 8002 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Class Lights
Group: vintageHO Message: 8003 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/7/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Class Lights
Group: vintageHO Message: 8004 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 12/8/2008
Subject: Re: Varney Class Lights
Group: vintageHO Message: 8005 From: Al Campbell Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: The Reporting Mark
Group: vintageHO Message: 8006 From: sswcharlie Date: 12/11/2008
Subject: Arcade (manufacturer) Pullman Railplane
Group: vintageHO Message: 8007 From: larrydonhoffner@aol.com Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Hobbyline parts.
Group: vintageHO Message: 8008 From: Roger Aultman Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbyline parts.
Group: vintageHO Message: 8009 From: Mike Bauers Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: Arcade (manufacturer) Pullman Railplane
Group: vintageHO Message: 8010 From: Don Dellmann Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: Arcade (manufacturer) Pullman Railplane
Group: vintageHO Message: 8011 From: Don Dellmann Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbyline parts.
Group: vintageHO Message: 8012 From: Charlie Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: Arcade (manufacturer) Pullman Railplane What Scale ?
Group: vintageHO Message: 8013 From: Mike Bauers Date: 12/12/2008
Subject: Re: Arcade (manufacturer) Pullman Railplane
Group: vintageHO Message: 8014 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Re: Hobbyline parts.
Group: vintageHO Message: 8015 From: Don Dellmann Date: 12/13/2008
Subject: Next projects.
Group: vintageHO Message: 8016 From: fredsmodelrr Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: woodland scenics plaster cloth
Group: vintageHO Message: 8017 From: oahurailway Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: Re: woodland scenics plaster cloth
Group: vintageHO Message: 8018 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/17/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
Group: vintageHO Message: 8019 From: railwaymodeler Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8020 From: Roger Aultman Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8021 From: railwaymodeler Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8022 From: John Hagen Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8023 From: Don Dellmann Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8024 From: Willard Seehorn Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8025 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8026 From: John Hagen Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8027 From: Don Dellmann Date: 12/19/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8028 From: Larry Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8029 From: Maynard Keith Franklin Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8030 From: railwaymodeler Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8031 From: Tom Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8032 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Mantua Loop Uncoupler Ramps
Group: vintageHO Message: 8033 From: Rick Jones Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8034 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8035 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8036 From: Ron Plyler Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8037 From: My-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8038 From: Gary Woodard Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8039 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8040 From: Thomas Parsons Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: Re: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8041 From: Gary Woodard Date: 12/20/2008
Subject: I Got A New Train Set For Christmas
Group: vintageHO Message: 8042 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8043 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8044 From: My-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8045 From: nvrr49@yahoo.com Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8046 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: latest completed project
Group: vintageHO Message: 8047 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: latest completed project
Group: vintageHO Message: 8048 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: better picture
Group: vintageHO Message: 8049 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8050 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: Re: better picture
Group: vintageHO Message: 8051 From: Tom Date: 12/21/2008
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Indoor paint stripper that does not stink
Group: vintageHO Message: 8052 From: Mike Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Illinois Valley Division Meet - January 11, 2009
Group: vintageHO Message: 8053 From: My-Yahoo-Groups Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: Illinois Valley Division Meet - January 11, 2009
Group: vintageHO Message: 8054 From: oljoeoh Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: better picture
Group: vintageHO Message: 8055 From: Larry Stevenson Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: vintageHO Message: 8056 From: Sean Naylor Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: better picture
Group: vintageHO Message: 8057 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: PL Whitcomb D1 vs. D2
Group: vintageHO Message: 8058 From: Sean Naylor Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: PL Whitcomb D1 vs. D2
Group: vintageHO Message: 8059 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/22/2008
Subject: Re: [on3] Max Gray 4-4-0?
Group: vintageHO Message: 8060 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Disater caboose
Group: vintageHO Message: 8061 From: Bill DeFoe Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Disater caboose
Group: vintageHO Message: 8062 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: [Fwd: Here is an update from the new owners of NWSL]
Group: vintageHO Message: 8063 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: Disater caboose
Group: vintageHO Message: 8064 From: Don Dellmann Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: JC Silversides
Group: vintageHO Message: 8065 From: railwaymodeler Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: JC Silversides
Group: vintageHO Message: 8066 From: Roger Aultman Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: JC Silversides
Group: vintageHO Message: 8067 From: Don Dellmann Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: JC Silversides
Group: vintageHO Message: 8068 From: Don Dellmann Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: JC Silversides
Group: vintageHO Message: 8069 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Disaster caboose
Group: vintageHO Message: 8070 From: Gary Woodard Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: JC Silversides
Group: vintageHO Message: 8071 From: Don Dellmann Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Christmas wish
Group: vintageHO Message: 8072 From: bayerw@comcast.net Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: JC Silversides
Group: vintageHO Message: 8073 From: bayerw@comcast.net Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas wish
Group: vintageHO Message: 8074 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Don's passenger cars
Group: vintageHO Message: 8075 From: Gerry D Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: JC Silversides
Group: vintageHO Message: 8076 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/24/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas wish
Group: vintageHO Message: 8077 From: railwaymodeler Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: Re: Christmas wish
Group: vintageHO Message: 8078 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8079 From: oljoeoh Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8080 From: Sean Naylor Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8081 From: Charles Windes Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: JC Silversides
Group: vintageHO Message: 8082 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8083 From: Sean Naylor Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8084 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8085 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [vintageHO] Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8086 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8087 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8088 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: small part
Group: vintageHO Message: 8089 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: small part
Group: vintageHO Message: 8090 From: fydill Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8091 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8092 From: SFLYERCRAZY@aol.com Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8093 From: Sean Naylor Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8094 From: Chris B Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: small part
Group: vintageHO Message: 8095 From: Chris B Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: small part
Group: vintageHO Message: 8096 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: small part
Group: vintageHO Message: 8097 From: Russ Shiel Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Ambroid complete listing
Group: vintageHO Message: 8098 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8099 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8100 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8101 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8102 From: John Hagen Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8103 From: railwaymodeler Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8104 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: [vintageHO] Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8105 From: jay matz Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid complete listing
Group: vintageHO Message: 8106 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8107 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8108 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8109 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8110 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8111 From: Tom Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8112 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8113 From: Tom Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Penn-Line Midget diesels
Group: vintageHO Message: 8114 From: Glenn476 Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8115 From: John Hagen Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8116 From: railwaymodeler Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8117 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8118 From: nvrr49 Date: 12/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ambroid complete listing
Group: vintageHO Message: 8119 From: Jim Heckard Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Added PL Whitcomb info
Group: vintageHO Message: 8120 From: ckinzer@att.net Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: small part
Group: vintageHO Message: 8121 From: Richard Moessner Date: 12/28/2008
Subject: Re: Walthers ALCO HH Castings
Group: vintageHO Message: 8122 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 12/29/2008
Subject: Re: Added PL Whitcomb info
Group: vintageHO Message: 8123 From: Sean Naylor Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Mystery brass inspection car??
Group: vintageHO Message: 8124 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery brass inspection car??
Group: vintageHO Message: 8125 From: bslook@aol.com Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery brass inspection car??
Group: vintageHO Message: 8126 From: Mike Bauers Date: 12/31/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery brass inspection car??


Group: vintageHO Message: 4707 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Unusual Athearn?
Attachments :
    Got a few models yesterday I bought on eBay over the Holidays, one was
    rather unusual, at least I had never heard of this before.

    An Athearn metal boxcar, round roof like the auto cars, but 40' single door.
    Anybody else ever seen one of these?

    Added pics of the others to my various albums, a few Athearn metal &
    plastic, one Varney (also unusual, I now have a B&O Hopper in black, and one
    in red, identical markings), one Ulrich. If you don't want to wade through
    the albums, go to the group home page and click on "new pictures"

    Don

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    Group: vintageHO Message: 4708 From: jay matz Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    Don
    I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the early 50s.
    Jay

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    Group: vintageHO Message: 4709 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    That's good to know.  I was afraid someone may have "kitbashed" it by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
     
    Don
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: jay matz
    Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
    Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?

    Don
    I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the early 50s.
    Jay

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    Group: vintageHO Message: 4710 From: Mike Sloane Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    I am pretty sure that I have the same car, but I have to get out to my
    barn to check. I thought I had an image of it in my "collection", but it
    is hidden behind something else in all of the images I found. More later...

    Mike

    Don Dellmann wrote:
    >
    >
    > Got a few models yesterday I bought on eBay over the Holidays, one was
    > rather unusual, at least I had never heard of this before.
    >
    > An Athearn metal boxcar, round roof like the auto cars, but 40' single door.
    > Anybody else ever seen one of these?
    >
    > Added pics of the others to my various albums, a few Athearn metal &
    > plastic, one Varney (also unusual, I now have a B&O Hopper in black, and
    > one
    > in red, identical markings), one Ulrich. If you don't want to wade through
    > the albums, go to the group home page and click on "new pictures"
    >
    > Don
    >
    Group: vintageHO Message: 4711 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    Yeah, I have one in D T & I markings. Not in the best condition. Also a 50' one, D T & I.
     
    They're old. Bowser carries parts for them, but it's cheaper to get a new one - they have been re-issued. Wish my catalogue was newer. 1990, maybe.
     
    Fred Hultberg(resident etching wizard, Fotocut)

    Don Dellmann <don.dellmann@...> wrote:
    Got a few models yesterday I bought on eBay over the Holidays, one was
    rather unusual, at least I had never heard of this before.

    An Athearn metal boxcar, round roof like the auto cars, but 40' single door.
    Anybody else ever seen one of these?

    Added pics of the others to my various albums, a few Athearn metal &
    plastic, one Varney (also unusual, I now have a B&O Hopper in black, and one
    in red, identical markings), one Ulrich. If you don't want to wade through
    the albums, go to the group home page and click on "new pictures"

    Don

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    Group: vintageHO Message: 4712 From: erieberk Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
    round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been confirmed
    earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
    different road names, these were regular Athearn production runs.
    Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-301 PRR
    (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers), A-303
    SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting numbers).
    I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and 4 of
    the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns, but
    these were "distinctive". Ray W.


    --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may have "kitbashed" it
    by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
    >
    > Don
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: jay matz
    > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
    > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
    >
    >
    > Don
    > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the early
    50s.
    > Jay
    >
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    Group: vintageHO Message: 4713 From: erieberk Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    Fred, The 50' Athearn metal double-door round roof automobile cars
    were produced in the same series of road names, as also were the 40'
    metal double door round roof automobile cars. The 40' cars were A-
    305 PRR (with 5 known/confirmed reporting numbers), A-306 DT&I (with
    7 known reporting numbers), A-307 SAL (with 6 known reporting
    numbers) and A-308 N&W (with 7 known road numbers). The 50' metal
    double door round roof automobile cars were; A-309 PRR (w/ 6 known
    numbers), A-310 DT&I, yours - (w/ 7 known numbers), A-311 SAL (w/ 6
    known numbers) and A-312 N&W (w/ 7 known numbers).

    Later on, when G.F. Menzies took over production of these cars, they
    produced a 40' metal double door round roof auto car in the NP
    roadname and a similar 50' auto car in the TAG (Tennessee, Alabama &
    Georgia) roadname, which were never issued by Athearn, in addition to
    the four Athearn roadnames they (Menzies) continued to produce. Ray



    --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Fred Hultberg <fhultberg@...> wrote:
    >
    > Yeah, I have one in D T & I markings. Not in the best condition.
    Also a 50' one, D T & I.
    >
    > They're old. Bowser carries parts for them, but it's cheaper to
    get a new one - they have been re-issued. Wish my catalogue was
    newer. 1990, maybe.
    >
    > Fred Hultberg(resident etching wizard, Fotocut)
    >
    > Don Dellmann <don.dellmann@...> wrote:
    > Got a few models yesterday I bought on eBay over the Holidays,
    one was
    > rather unusual, at least I had never heard of this before.
    >
    > An Athearn metal boxcar, round roof like the auto cars, but 40'
    single door.
    > Anybody else ever seen one of these?
    >
    > Added pics of the others to my various albums, a few Athearn metal
    &
    > plastic, one Varney (also unusual, I now have a B&O Hopper in
    black, and one
    > in red, identical markings), one Ulrich. If you don't want to wade
    through
    > the albums, go to the group home page and click on "new pictures"
    >
    > Don
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    Group: vintageHO Message: 4714 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    I think I had one of those about 55 years ago--gj
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
    To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:23 AM
    Subject: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?


    > Got a few models yesterday I bought on eBay over the Holidays, one was
    > rather unusual, at least I had never heard of this before.
    >
    > An Athearn metal boxcar, round roof like the auto cars, but 40' single
    > door.
    > Anybody else ever seen one of these?
    >
    > Added pics of the others to my various albums, a few Athearn metal &
    > plastic, one Varney (also unusual, I now have a B&O Hopper in black, and
    > one
    > in red, identical markings), one Ulrich. If you don't want to wade
    > through
    > the albums, go to the group home page and click on "new pictures"
    >
    > Don
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    Group: vintageHO Message: 4715 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn? Hi Don,

        The Athearn metal single-door round-roof car was made in at least four road names: PRR, Detroit Toledo & Ironton, Seaboard, and N&W, each road name with multiple car numbers.  They all show up for sale from time to time at train meets and elsewhere ranging in condition from mint kit, to well-built finished cars, to junk (for parts).  None is rare to my knowledge.  I have examples of all except for the Seaboard.
        Best wishes, and happy New Year.

                                                                                                                                    Lou Greiff


    On 1/1/08 7:23 AM, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...> wrote:


     
     

    Got a few models yesterday I bought on eBay over the Holidays, one was
    rather unusual, at least I had never heard of this before.

    An Athearn metal boxcar, round roof like the auto cars, but 40' single door.
    Anybody else ever seen one of these?

    Added pics of the others to my various albums, a few Athearn metal &
    plastic, one Varney (also unusual, I now have a B&O Hopper in black, and one
    in red, identical markings), one Ulrich.  If you don't want to wade through
    the albums, go to the group home page and click on "new pictures"

    Don

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    Group: vintageHO Message: 4716 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?    On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone confirm that the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the “all metal” version (with wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the metal parts are put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof?  Of the twelve cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I’ve come across “all metal” versions of every car except for the Pacemaker.  My guess is that it’s out there, and I’m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for sure.
        Best wishes and happy New Year.

                                                                                                                                                Lou G.


    On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:


     
     

    Don,  No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
    round roof boxcar was kitbashed.  As has already been confirmed
    earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
    different road names, these were regular Athearn production runs.  
    Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-301 PRR
    (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers), A-303
    SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting numbers).  
    I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and 4 of
    the N&W's.  Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns, but
    these were "distinctive".  Ray W.

    --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
    wrote:
    >
    > That's good to know.  I was afraid someone may have "kitbashed" it
    by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
    >
    > Don
    >   ----- Original Message -----
    >   From: jay matz
    >   To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>  
    >   Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
    >   Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
    >
    >
    >   Don
    >   I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the early
    50s.
    >   Jay
    >
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    Group: vintageHO Message: 4717 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    Hi All,

    FWIW I have a PRR 59450 (Kit A309 - 50 ft. round roof car) on my layout that I bought new and assembled about 55 yars ago.

    Garry Spear
    Group: vintageHO Message: 4718 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/1/2008
    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
    Attachments :
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      Don
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:26 PM
      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

      Hi All,

      FWIW I have a PRR 59450 (Kit A309 - 50 ft. round roof car) on my layout that I bought new and assembled about 55 yars ago.

      Garry Spear
      Group: vintageHO Message: 4719 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 1/1/2008
      Subject: Happy 2008!!
      Attachments :



        Happy 2008!!

          
         
         
         
         
         

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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4720 From: erieberk Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178) car
        was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        without needing to go further into my collection, I found a reporting
        number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        too. Ray W.


        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Louis Greiff <louie113@...> wrote:
        >
        > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        confirm that
        > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal² version
        (with
        > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the metal
        parts are
        > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of the
        twelve
        > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across ³all
        metal²
        > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is that
        it¹s out
        > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        sure.
        > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        >
        >
        > Lou G.
        >
        >
        > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
        >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
        > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been confirmed
        > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production runs.
        > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-301
        PRR
        > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers), A-
        303
        > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        numbers).
        > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and 4
        of
        > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns,
        but
        > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > wrote:
        > >> >
        > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        have "kitbashed" it
        > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > >> >
        > >> > Don
        > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > >> > From: jay matz
        > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> > Don
        > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        early
        > > 50s.
        > >> > Jay
        > >> >
        > >> >
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4721 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn? Thanks, Ray, for the quick answer to my question.

                                            Lou G.


        On 1/1/08 3:34 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:


         
         

        Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178) car
        was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).  
        Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        without needing to go further into my collection, I found a reporting
        number 74283 as being all metal.  I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        your question.  Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        too.  Ray W.

        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> , Louis Greiff <louie113@...> wrote:
        >
        >     On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        confirm that
        > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the “all metal” version
        (with
        > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the metal
        parts are
        > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof?  Of the
        twelve
        > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I’ve come across “all
        metal”
        > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker.  My guess is that
        it’s out
        > there, and I’m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        sure.
        >     Best wishes and happy New Year.
        >
        >                    
        > Lou G.
        >
        >
        > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
        >
        > >  
        > >  
        > >  
        > >
        > > Don,  No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
        > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed.  As has already been confirmed
        > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production runs.
        > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-301
        PRR
        > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers), A-
        303
        > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        numbers).
        > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and 4
        of
        > > the N&W's.  Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns,
        but
        > > these were "distinctive".  Ray W.
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > wrote:
        > >> >
        > >> > That's good to know.  I was afraid someone may
        have "kitbashed" it
        > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > >> >
        > >> > Don
        > >> >   ----- Original Message -----
        > >> >   From: jay matz
        > >> >   To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > >> >   Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > >> >   Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >   Don
        > >> >   I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        early
        > > 50s.
        > >> >   Jay
        > >> >
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4722 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        The way those Athearn boxcars went together always drove me nuts. I could
        never get everything to line up and get those turning blocks lined up. I
        was probably 14 at the time.

        Back in the eighties, Jack (Yosemite Valley RR) Burgess was contest chair of
        Coast Division, PCR. One meet he decided to have a special contest for just
        "Athearn 40 foot boxcars." Another guy and I decided to take him
        literally--the other guy brought in one like we've been discussing, I
        brought in an O Scale version. Those had a wood body with stamped sheet
        metal parts. Sides were pre-painted and silk screened, the rest had to be
        painted. He didn't want to believe that these were Athearn until a couple
        of old-timers intervened. gj
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
        To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:34 PM
        Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?


        Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178) car
        was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        without needing to go further into my collection, I found a reporting
        number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        too. Ray W.


        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Louis Greiff <louie113@...> wrote:
        >
        > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        confirm that
        > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal² version
        (with
        > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the metal
        parts are
        > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of the
        twelve
        > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across ³all
        metal²
        > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is that
        it¹s out
        > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        sure.
        > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        >
        >
        > Lou G.
        >
        >
        > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
        >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
        > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been confirmed
        > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production runs.
        > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-301
        PRR
        > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers), A-
        303
        > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        numbers).
        > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and 4
        of
        > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns,
        but
        > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > wrote:
        > >> >
        > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        have "kitbashed" it
        > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > >> >
        > >> > Don
        > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > >> > From: jay matz
        > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> > Don
        > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        early
        > > 50s.
        > >> > Jay
        > >> >
        > >> >
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        new
        > > topic
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4723 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel sheet together for these cars.  I already have the sheet done, just need the reporting numbers.  If you are interested in such a list?

        Take care,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178) car
        was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        without needing to go further into my collection, I found a reporting
        number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        too. Ray W.

        --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, Louis Greiff <louie113@.. .> wrote:

        >
        > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        confirm that
        > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal² version
        (with
        > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the metal
        parts are
        > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of the
        twelve
        > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across ³all
        metal²
        > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is that
        it¹s out
        > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        sure.
        > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        >
        >
        > Lou G.
        >
        >
        > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@.. .> wrote:
        >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
        > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been confirmed
        > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production runs.
        > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-301
        PRR
        > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers), A-
        303
        > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        numbers).
        > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and 4
        of
        > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns,
        but
        > > these were "distinctive" . Ray W.
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups. com> , "Don
        > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@ >
        > > wrote:
        > >> >
        > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        have "kitbashed" it
        > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > >> >
        > >> > Don
        > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > >> > From: jay matz
        > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups. com>
        > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> > Don
        > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        early
        > > 50s.
        > >> > Jay
        > >> >
        > >> >
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        new
        > > topic
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4724 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn? Yes, the all-metal Athearn boxcars can be a challenge to put together properly.  I’ve learned that one critical step in the process is to secure the roof walk to the roof and sub roof as tightly as possible.  If you leave any slack at this point in construction, it may not be possible to secure the car ends between the roof overhang at the top and the lip of the coupler pocket at the bottom.  Bowser had what I believe is a good solution to this problem.  When they re-issued the cars, they replaced the old cast parts that Athearn called retainer blocks with small speed nuts.  The cast retainer blocks had to be riveted down, but the speed nuts can simply be pushed all the way on to the studs underneath the roof walk for a tight fit.  Maybe some of us who collect unbuilt kits will cringe to read this.  I treasure the mint kits myself, but I also love to build Athearn metal cars and put them into service on my layout.  All best.

                                                                                                                                                        Lou G.  


        On 1/1/08 4:30 PM, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:


         
         

        The way those Athearn boxcars went together always drove me nuts.  I could
        never get everything to line up and get those turning blocks lined up.  I
        was probably 14 at the time.

        Back in the eighties, Jack (Yosemite Valley RR) Burgess was contest chair of
        Coast Division, PCR.  One meet he decided to have a special contest for just
        "Athearn 40 foot boxcars."  Another guy and I decided to take him
        literally--the other guy brought in one like we've been discussing, I
        brought in an O Scale version.  Those had a wood body with stamped sheet
        metal parts. Sides were pre-painted and silk screened, the rest had to be
        painted.  He didn't want to believe that these were Athearn until a couple
        of old-timers intervened.   gj
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "erieberk" <erieberk@... <mailto:erieberk%40wmconnect.com> >
        To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> >
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:34 PM
        Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178) car
        was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        without needing to go further into my collection, I found a reporting
        number 74283 as being all metal.  I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        your question.  Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        too.  Ray W.

        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> , Louis Greiff <louie113@...> wrote:
        >
        >     On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        confirm that
        > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the “all metal” version
        (with
        > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the metal
        parts are
        > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof?  Of the
        twelve
        > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I’ve come across “all
        metal”
        > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker.  My guess is that
        it’s out
        > there, and I’m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        sure.
        >     Best wishes and happy New Year.
        >
        >
        > Lou G.
        >
        >
        > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
        >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Don,  No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
        > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed.  As has already been confirmed
        > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production runs.
        > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-301
        PRR
        > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers), A-
        303
        > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        numbers).
        > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and 4
        of
        > > the N&W's.  Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns,
        but
        > > these were "distinctive".  Ray W.
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > wrote:
        > >> >
        > >> > That's good to know.  I was afraid someone may
        have "kitbashed" it
        > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > >> >
        > >> > Don
        > >> >   ----- Original Message -----
        > >> >   From: jay matz
        > >> >   To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > >> >   Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > >> >   Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >   Don
        > >> >   I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        early
        > > 50s.
        > >> >   Jay
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >     Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a
        new
        > > topic
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4725 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Don't worry about offending anybody by building kits.  The full name of this group is "Vintage HO  OPERATORS".  The whole idea is to RUN that great old vintage stuff.
         
        Don
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:53 PM
        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Yes, the all-metal Athearn boxcars can be a challenge to put together properly.  I’ve learned that one critical step in the process is to secure the roof walk to the roof and sub roof as tightly as possible.  If you leave any slack at this point in construction, it may not be possible to secure the car ends between the roof overhang at the top and the lip of the coupler pocket at the bottom.  Bowser had what I believe is a good solution to this problem.  When they re-issued the cars, they replaced the old cast parts that Athearn called retainer blocks with small speed nuts.  The cast retainer blocks had to be riveted down, but the speed nuts can simply be pushed all the way on to the studs underneath the roof walk for a tight fit.  Maybe some of us who collect unbuilt kits will cringe to read this.  I treasure the mint kits myself, but I also love to build Athearn metal cars and put them into service on my layout.  All best.

                                                                                                                                                        Lou G.  


        On 1/1/08 4:30 PM, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:

         
         

        The way those Athearn boxcars went together always drove me nuts.  I could
        never get everything to line up and get those turning blocks lined up.  I
        was probably 14 at the time.

        Back in the eighties, Jack (Yosemite Valley RR) Burgess was contest chair of
        Coast Division, PCR.  One meet he decided to have a special contest for just
        "Athearn 40 foot boxcars."  Another guy and I decided to take him
        literally--the other guy brought in one like we've been discussing, I
        brought in an O Scale version.  Those had a wood body with stamped sheet
        metal parts. Sides were pre-painted and silk screened, the rest had to be
        painted.  He didn't want to believe that these were Athearn until a couple
        of old-timers intervened.   gj
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "erieberk" <erieberk@... <mailto:erieberk%40wmconnect.com> >
        To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> >
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:34 PM
        Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178) car
        was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        without needing to go further into my collection, I found a reporting
        number 74283 as being all metal.  I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        your question.  Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        too.  Ray W.

        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> , Louis Greiff <louie113@...> wrote:
        >
        >     On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        confirm that
        > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the “all metal” version
        (with
        > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the metal
        parts are
        > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof?  Of the
        twelve
        > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I’ve come across “all
        metal”
        > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker.  My guess is that
        it’s out
        > there, and I’m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        sure.
        >     Best wishes and happy New Year.
        >
        >
        > Lou G.
        >
        >
        > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
        >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Don,  No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
        > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed.  As has already been confirmed
        > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production runs.
        > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-301
        PRR
        > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers), A-
        303
        > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        numbers).
        > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and 4
        of
        > > the N&W's.  Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns,
        but
        > > these were "distinctive".  Ray W.
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > wrote:
        > >> >
        > >> > That's good to know.  I was afraid someone may
        have "kitbashed" it
        > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > >> >
        > >> > Don
        > >> >   ----- Original Message -----
        > >> >   From: jay matz
        > >> >   To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > >> >   Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > >> >   Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >   Don
        > >> >   I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        early
        > > 50s.
        > >> >   Jay
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >     Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a
        new
        > > topic
        > >> >     MARKETPLACE
        > >> >
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        > > --------
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        > > with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net.
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4726 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Anyways, if the kits haven't been built until now, they can be built with all the technological and chemical improvements we didn't have back then--like adhesives that really join wood to metal to card stock, etc.   Back when those kits came out what did we have> casein wood glues, some of which had to be mixed with water, and wouldn't, "All Purpose" household glues like Duco, Ambroid, and Testors  (Remember "formula A and Formula B)?  Most of the kits we built with these have since "Re-kitted" themselves.  gj
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:24 PM
        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Don't worry about offending anybody by building kits.  The full name of this group is "Vintage HO  OPERATORS".  The whole idea is to RUN that great old vintage stuff.
         
        Don
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:53 PM
        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Yes, the all-metal Athearn boxcars can be a challenge to put together properly.  I’ve learned that one critical step in the process is to secure the roof walk to the roof and sub roof as tightly as possible.  If you leave any slack at this point in construction, it may not be possible to secure the car ends between the roof overhang at the top and the lip of the coupler pocket at the bottom.  Bowser had what I believe is a good solution to this problem.  When they re-issued the cars, they replaced the old cast parts that Athearn called retainer blocks with small speed nuts.  The cast retainer blocks had to be riveted down, but the speed nuts can simply be pushed all the way on to the studs underneath the roof walk for a tight fit.  Maybe some of us who collect unbuilt kits will cringe to read this.  I treasure the mint kits myself, but I also love to build Athearn metal cars and put them into service on my layout.  All best.

                                                                                                                                                        Lou G.  


        On 1/1/08 4:30 PM, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:

         
         

        The way those Athearn boxcars went together always drove me nuts.  I could
        never get everything to line up and get those turning blocks lined up.  I
        was probably 14 at the time.

        Back in the eighties, Jack (Yosemite Valley RR) Burgess was contest chair of
        Coast Division, PCR.  One meet he decided to have a special contest for just
        "Athearn 40 foot boxcars."  Another guy and I decided to take him
        literally--the other guy brought in one like we've been discussing, I
        brought in an O Scale version.  Those had a wood body with stamped sheet
        metal parts. Sides were pre-painted and silk screened, the rest had to be
        painted.  He didn't want to believe that these were Athearn until a couple
        of old-timers intervened.   gj
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "erieberk" <erieberk@... <mailto:erieberk%40wmconnect.com> >
        To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> >
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:34 PM
        Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178) car
        was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        without needing to go further into my collection, I found a reporting
        number 74283 as being all metal.  I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        your question.  Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        too.  Ray W.

        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> , Louis Greiff <louie113@...> wrote:
        >
        >     On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        confirm that
        > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the “all metal” version
        (with
        > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the metal
        parts are
        > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof?  Of the
        twelve
        > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I’ve come across “all
        metal”
        > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker.  My guess is that
        it’s out
        > there, and I’m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        sure.
        >     Best wishes and happy New Year.
        >
        >
        > Lou G.
        >
        >
        > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
        >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Don,  No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
        > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed.  As has already been confirmed
        > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production runs.
        > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-301
        PRR
        > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers), A-
        303
        > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        numbers).
        > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and 4
        of
        > > the N&W's.  Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns,
        but
        > > these were "distinctive".  Ray W.
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > wrote:
        > >> >
        > >> > That's good to know.  I was afraid someone may
        have "kitbashed" it
        > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > >> >
        > >> > Don
        > >> >   ----- Original Message -----
        > >> >   From: jay matz
        > >> >   To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > >> >   Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > >> >   Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >   Don
        > >> >   I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        early
        > > 50s.
        > >> >   Jay
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >     Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a
        new
        > > topic
        > >> >     MARKETPLACE
        > >> >
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        > > with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net.
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4727 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
         
        Might I suggest the use of Weldbond glue?
         
        It looks and acts like cheap white glue, but will bond almost anything to anything, such as metal to glass or whatever. Seems pricey at first, but it goes a long, long way. I have three containers - about 10-12 oz size - and one of them is still the first one I bought.(See below) The other two store the diluted glue, ready to apply.
         
        For use on porous surfaces(wodd, paper, leather), you dilute it and apply as a "primer" which then dries, maybe overnight, and after that, just like any white glue.
         
        I have a layout in my basement which is mostly assembled(yes, risers and all!) with it - done back in 1980, and still holding together in a damp basement after all this time.
         
        The only thing that didn't work properly is a switch kit(old Atlas) which I curved to use in a tricky spot, but did not bend the rails to the correct shape before glueing. Over the next few weeks, the rails tried to straighten out, didnt make it but the guage is now a bit off and some things derail. I'll know better next time but will still use Weldbond. The other switches still function quite well. I plan to use more of them(plenty on hand) as time permits.
         
        ...my two cents' worth...
         
        Happy modeling!
         
        Fred Hultberg(resident ethcing wizard, Fotocut)
         
         

        Glenn476 <glenn476@...> wrote:
        Anyways, if the kits haven't been built until now, they can be built with all the technological and chemical improvements we didn't have back then--like adhesives that really join wood to metal to card stock, etc.   Back when those kits came out what did we have> casein wood glues, some of which had to be mixed with water, and wouldn't, "All Purpose" household glues like Duco, Ambroid, and Testors  (Remember "formula A and Formula B)?  Most of the kits we built with these have since "Re-kitted" themselves.  gj
         
         
         

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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4728 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        If it can be used retroactively.  I recall Weldwood's ads.
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:23 PM
        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         
        Might I suggest the use of Weldbond glue?
         
        It looks and acts like cheap white glue, but will bond almost anything to anything, such as metal to glass or whatever. Seems pricey at first, but it goes a long, long way. I have three containers - about 10-12 oz size - and one of them is still the first one I bought.(See below) The other two store the diluted glue, ready to apply.
         
        For use on porous surfaces(wodd, paper, leather), you dilute it and apply as a "primer" which then dries, maybe overnight, and after that, just like any white glue.
         
        I have a layout in my basement which is mostly assembled(yes, risers and all!) with it - done back in 1980, and still holding together in a damp basement after all this time.
         
        The only thing that didn't work properly is a switch kit(old Atlas) which I curved to use in a tricky spot, but did not bend the rails to the correct shape before glueing. Over the next few weeks, the rails tried to straighten out, didnt make it but the guage is now a bit off and some things derail. I'll know better next time but will still use Weldbond. The other switches still function quite well. I plan to use more of them(plenty on hand) as time permits.
         
        ...my two cents' worth...
         
        Happy modeling!
         
        Fred Hultberg(resident ethcing wizard, Fotocut)
         
         

        Glenn476 <glenn476@...> wrote:
        Anyways, if the kits haven't been built until now, they can be built with all the technological and chemical improvements we didn't have back then--like adhesives that really join wood to metal to card stock, etc.   Back when those kits came out what did we have> casein wood glues, some of which had to be mixed with water, and wouldn't, "All Purpose" household glues like Duco, Ambroid, and Testors  (Remember "formula A and Formula B)?  Most of the kits we built with these have since "Re-kitted" themselves.  gj
         
         
         

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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4729 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Yes.
        Garry

        On 1/1/08, Don Dellmann <don.dellmann@...> wrote:

        Like this one? <G>
         
        Don
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Garry Spear
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:26 PM
        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Hi All,

        FWIW I have a PRR 59450 (Kit A309 - 50 ft. round roof car) on my layout that I bought new and assembled about 55 yars ago.

        Garry Spear
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4730 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: [Vintage HO] Weldwood/Weldbond
        Glenn, I have no idea.
         
        Wasn't there some discussion earlier about "using newer techiques and methods?"
         
        I know it's more than 25 years old, just the ones I have.
         
        God only knows how long they have been around.
         
        Weldwood is not the same product - as far as I know.
         
        Copyright on the instruction sheet is 1982. A newer one is marked 1994.
        Happy Modeling
         
        Fred Hultberg(Mr. Retroactive Modeler)

        Glenn476 <glenn476@...> wrote:
        If it can be used retroactively.  I recall Weldwood's ads.
         

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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4731 From: erieberk Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal, the
        same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back in
        October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we should
        start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738(?) or
        so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
        different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more than
        the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?

        I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
        reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered manufacturers'
        lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney, Laconia,
        Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or any
        others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
        reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when they
        changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still retained all
        the same reporting numbers for these same road names.

        After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers which
        did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would still
        help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
        somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
        Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C Models, L-W
        Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada, Ideal or
        any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists would
        take me more time though; since they only had one reporting number
        and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered writing them
        down so would have to go all back through the collection to find that
        data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).

        Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel


        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel sheet
        together
        > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
        reporting
        > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
        >
        > Take care,
        >
        >
        >
        > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
        On Behalf
        > Of erieberk
        > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        >
        >
        >
        > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178)
        car
        > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
        reporting
        > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        > too. Ray W.
        >
        > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com,
        > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
        > >
        > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        > confirm that
        > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal² version
        > (with
        > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
        metal
        > parts are
        > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of the
        > twelve
        > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across ³all
        > metal²
        > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is that
        > it¹s out
        > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        > sure.
        > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        > >
        > >
        > > Lou G.
        > >
        > >
        > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
        > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
        > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been confirmed
        > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production
        runs.
        > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-
        301
        > PRR
        > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers),
        A-
        > 303
        > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        > numbers).
        > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and
        4
        > of
        > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns,
        > but
        > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
        > > >
        > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com
        > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > > wrote:
        > > >> >
        > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        > have "kitbashed" it
        > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Don
        > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > > >> > From: jay matz
        > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com
        > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups.com>
        > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Don
        > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        > early
        > > > 50s.
        > > >> > Jay
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a
        > new
        > > > topic
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        > > >> >
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4732 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/1/2008
        Subject: Re: [Vintage HO] Weldwood/Weldbond
        I was being a bit facetious--someone suggested Weldwood glue--I was referring to cars that had been built 55 years ago--point was that we can't go back and re-do what we did then--also pointing out that if we had the adhesives and paints then that we have now--how much better a lot of those models would have been. 
         
        Yes--Weldwood, and even the old stand-by Ambroiod aren't the same product they were then--thanks in good part to our overly-protective gummint agencies.gj
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:00 PM
        Subject: [vintageHO] Re: [Vintage HO] Weldwood/Weldbond

        Glenn, I have no idea.
         
        Wasn't there some discussion earlier about "using newer techiques and methods?"
         
        I know it's more than 25 years old, just the ones I have.
         
        God only knows how long they have been around.
         
        Weldwood is not the same product - as far as I know.
         
        Copyright on the instruction sheet is 1982. A newer one is marked 1994.
        Happy Modeling
         
        Fred Hultberg(Mr. Retroactive Modeler)

        Glenn476 <glenn476@...> wrote:
        If it can be used retroactively.  I recall Weldwood's ads.
         

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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4733 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Hi Chuck, Ray, et al,

        I have an Excel spreed sheet with the Athearn (also, Park, Menzies, Bowers +) with most of the kit numbers and the car numbers for that kit.

        The sheet has code to separate the various manufactures.  The numbers are coded to show if the number is from an original list given to me, or a new number I found.

        You are welcome to a copy.

        Garry Spear

        On 1/2/08, erieberk <erieberk@...> wrote:

        Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal, the
        same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back in
        October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we should
        start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738(?) or
        so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
        different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more than
        the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?

        I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
        reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered manufacturers'
        lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney, Laconia,
        Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or any
        others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
        reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when they
        changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still retained all
        the same reporting numbers for these same road names.

        After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers which
        did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would still
        help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
        somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
        Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C Models, L-W
        Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada, Ideal or
        any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists would
        take me more time though; since they only had one reporting number
        and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered writing them
        down so would have to go all back through the collection to find that
        data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).

        Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel

        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel sheet
        together
        > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
        reporting
        > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
        >
        > Take care,
        >
        >
        >
        > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
        On Behalf
        > Of erieberk
        > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        >
        >
        >
        > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178)
        car
        > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
        reporting
        > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        > too. Ray W.
        >
        > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com,
        > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
        > >
        > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        > confirm that
        > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal² version
        > (with
        > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
        metal
        > parts are
        > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of the
        > twelve
        > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across ³all
        > metal²
        > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is that
        > it¹s out
        > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        > sure.
        > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        > >
        > >
        > > Lou G.
        > >
        > >
        > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
        > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
        > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been confirmed
        > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production
        runs.
        > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-
        301
        > PRR
        > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers),
        A-
        > 303
        > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        > numbers).
        > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and
        4
        > of
        > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns,
        > but
        > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
        > > >
        > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com
        > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > > wrote:
        > > >> >
        > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        > have "kitbashed" it
        > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Don
        > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > > >> > From: jay matz
        > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com
        > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups.com>
        > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Don
        > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        > early
        > > > 50s.
        > > >> > Jay
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a
        > new
        > > > topic
        > > >> > MARKETPLACE
        > > >> >
        > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
        > > > --------
        > > >> > Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career
        > > > with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net.
        > > >> > .
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
        > > > ----------
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        > > > Mobile. Try it now.
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4734 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Could you put it up in the files section on the group page?
         
        Don
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:13 AM
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Hi Chuck, Ray, et al,

        I have an Excel spreed sheet with the Athearn (also, Park, Menzies, Bowers +) with most of the kit numbers and the car numbers for that kit.

        The sheet has code to separate the various manufactures.  The numbers are coded to show if the number is from an original list given to me, or a new number I found.

        You are welcome to a copy.

        Garry Spear

        On 1/2/08, erieberk <erieberk@...> wrote:

        Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal, the
        same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back in
        October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we should
        start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738(?) or
        so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
        different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more than
        the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?

        I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
        reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered manufacturers'
        lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney, Laconia,
        Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or any
        others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
        reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when they
        changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still retained all
        the same reporting numbers for these same road names.

        After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers which
        did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would still
        help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
        somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
        Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C Models, L-W
        Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada, Ideal or
        any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists would
        take me more time though; since they only had one reporting number
        and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered writing them
        down so would have to go all back through the collection to find that
        data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).

        Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel

        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel sheet
        together
        > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
        reporting
        > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
        >
        > Take care,
        >
        >
        >
        > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
        On Behalf
        > Of erieberk
        > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        >
        >
        >
        > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178)
        car
        > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
        reporting
        > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        > too. Ray W.
        >
        > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com,
        > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
        > >
        > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        > confirm that
        > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal² version
        > (with
        > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
        metal
        > parts are
        > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of the
        > twelve
        > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across ³all
        > metal²
        > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is that
        > it¹s out
        > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        > sure.
        > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        > >
        > >
        > > Lou G.
        > >
        > >
        > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
        > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-door
        > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been confirmed
        > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production
        runs.
        > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-
        301
        > PRR
        > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting numbers),
        A-
        > 303
        > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        > numbers).
        > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's and
        4
        > of
        > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal Athearns,
        > but
        > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
        > > >
        > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com
        > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > > wrote:
        > > >> >
        > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        > have "kitbashed" it
        > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Don
        > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > > >> > From: jay matz
        > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com
        > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups.com>
        > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Don
        > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        > early
        > > > 50s.
        > > >> > Jay
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a
        > new
        > > > topic
        > > >> > MARKETPLACE
        > > >> >
        > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
        > > > --------
        > > >> > Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career
        > > > with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net.
        > > >> > .
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
        > > > ----------
        > > >> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
        > > > Mobile. Try it now.
        > > >> >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4735 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
        Hello,

        This email message is a notification to let you know that
        a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the vintageHO
        group.

        File : /MANUF Athearn.XLS
        Uploaded by : garrettspear <garrettspear@...>
        Description : Athearn Metal Car List

        You can access this file at the URL:
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO/files/MANUF%20Athearn.XLS

        To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
        http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles

        Regards,

        garrettspear <garrettspear@...>
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4736 From: John Hagen Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: Classic Athearn F7 shells
        Ya know, for all the griping I hear these daze about the quality of
        Athearn products and how the old stuff was soooo badly done, as someone
        we (Don and I) know whose name also is John, once said about the
        F7, "But we sure thought they were great for a lot of years".

        And they were far and away the best for many years in appearance,
        reliability, reparability, parts availability and price.

        And they are still doing a good job with their products, especially
        when price is figured into the equation.

        Wish everyone a very Happy and successful New Years.

        John Hagen
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4737 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Garry,

        Thanks for posting that sheet, it was the best option of all.

        Take care,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Garry Spear
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:14 AM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        Hi Chuck, Ray, et al,

        I have an Excel spreed sheet with the Athearn (also, Park, Menzies, Bowers +) with most of the kit numbers and the car numbers for that kit.

        The sheet has code to separate the various manufactures.  The numbers are coded to show if the number is from an original list given to me, or a new number I found.

        You are welcome to a copy.

        Garry Spear

        On 1/2/08, erieberk <erieberk@wmconnect. com> wrote:

        Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal, the
        same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back in
        October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we should
        start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738(?) or
        so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
        different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more than
        the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?

        I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
        reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered manufacturers'
        lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney, Laconia,
        Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or any
        others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
        reporting number even though in some case like Main Line , when they
        changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still retained all
        the same reporting numbers for these same road names.

        After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers which
        did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would still
        help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
        somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
        Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C Models, L-W
        Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada , Ideal or
        any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists would
        take me more time though; since they only had one reporting number
        and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered writing them
        down so would have to go all back through the collection to find that
        data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).

        Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel

        --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@.. .>
        wrote:

        >
        > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel sheet
        together
        > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
        reporting
        > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
        >
        > Take care,
        >
        >
        >
        > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
        On Behalf
        > Of erieberk
        > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        >
        >
        >
        > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178)
        car
        > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
        reporting
        > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        > too. Ray W.
        >
        > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:
        href="mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">vintageHO%40yahoogr oups.com>
        ps.com,
        > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
        > >
        > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        > confirm that
        > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal² version
        > (with
        > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
        metal
        > parts are
        > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of the
        > twelve
        > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across ³all
        > metal²
        > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is that
        > it¹s out
        > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        > sure.
        > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        > >
        > >
        > > Lou G.
        > >
        > >
        > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
        > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40'
        single-door
        > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been confirmed
        > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production
        runs.
        > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-
        301
        > PRR
        > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
        numbers),
        A-
        > 303
        > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        > numbers).
        > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's
        and
        4
        > of
        > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
        Athearns,
        > but
        > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
        > > >
        > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:
        href="mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">vintageHO%40yahoogr oups.com>
        ps.com
        > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups. com>
        , "Don
        > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > > wrote:
        > > >> >
        > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        > have "kitbashed" it
        > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Don
        > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > > >> > From: jay matz
        > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:
        href="mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">vintageHO%40yahoogr oups.com>
        ps.com
        > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups. com>
        > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Don
        > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it
        in the
        > early
        > > > 50s.
        > > >> > Jay
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start
        a
        > new
        > > > topic
        > > >> > MARKETPLACE
        > > >> >
        > > >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
        > > > --------
        > > >> > Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your
        career
        > > > with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder. net.
        > > >> > .
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
        > > > ----------
        > > >> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with
        Yahoo!
        > > > Mobile. Try it now.
        > > >> >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >

         
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4738 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        erieberk wrote:
        >
        > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        > completed,...

        I'd prefer to see the list in a text or PDF format, since I don't
        have Excel and have no desire whatsoever to acquire it. I can't be the
        only one who doesn't own and use Excel or any of the other MS Office
        products.

        --

        Rick Jones

        The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
        http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/

        Santa's Pickup Lines #2 - Screw the "Nice" list. I've got you on
        my "Naughty" list.
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4739 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Ray,

        For the others, I certainly can do something in format, the Athearn style of Garry’s or the MDC style.  But I have almost no info on the makers listed, so would need much input.

         

        Take care,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:51 AM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal, the
        same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back in
        October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we should
        start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738(?) or
        so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
        different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more than
        the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?

        I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
        reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered manufacturers'
        lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney, Laconia,
        Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or any
        others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
        reporting number even though in some case like Main Line , when they
        changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still retained all
        the same reporting numbers for these same road names.

        After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers which
        did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would still
        help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
        somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
        Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C Models, L-W
        Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada , Ideal or
        any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists would
        take me more time though; since they only had one reporting number
        and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered writing them
        down so would have to go all back through the collection to find that
        data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).

        Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel

        --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
        wrote:

        >
        > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel sheet
        together
        > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
        reporting
        > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
        >
        > Take care,
        >
        >
        >
        > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
        On Behalf
        > Of erieberk
        > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        >
        >
        >
        > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178)
        car
        > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
        reporting
        > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known THIRTEEN
        > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out the
        > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        > too. Ray W.
        >
        > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
        ps.com,
        > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
        > >
        > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        > confirm that
        > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal² version
        > (with
        > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
        metal
        > parts are
        > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of the
        > twelve
        > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across ³all
        > metal²
        > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is that
        > it¹s out
        > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        > sure.
        > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        > >
        > >
        > > Lou G.
        > >
        > >
        > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
        > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40'
        single-door
        > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been confirmed
        > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple of
        > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production
        runs.
        > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-
        301
        > PRR
        > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
        numbers),
        A-
        > 303
        > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        > numbers).
        > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's
        and
        4
        > of
        > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
        Athearns,
        > but
        > > > these were "distinctive" . Ray W.
        > > >
        > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
        ps.com
        > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups. com> , "Don
        > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@ >
        > > > wrote:
        > > >> >
        > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        > have "kitbashed" it
        > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Don
        > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > > >> > From: jay matz
        > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
        ps.com
        > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups. com>
        > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Don
        > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it
        in the
        > early
        > > > 50s.
        > > >> > Jay
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start
        a
        > new
        > > > topic
        > > >> > MARKETPLACE
        > > >> >
        > > >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
        > > > --------
        > > >> > Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your
        career
        > > > with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder. net.
        > > >> > .
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> >
        > > >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
        > > > ----------
        > > >> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with
        Yahoo!
        > > > Mobile. Try it now.
        > > >> >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4740 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Rick,

        For some reason, I think you can still open it though the group.  Could you try and report back, so this rumor can be dispelled?

        Thanks,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Rick Jones
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:05 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        erieberk wrote:

        >
        > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        > completed,.. .

        I'd prefer to see the list in a text or PDF format, since I don't
        have Excel and have no desire whatsoever to acquire it. I can't be the
        only one who doesn't own and use Excel or any of the other MS Office
        products.

        --

        Rick Jones

        The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
        http://www.geocitie s.com/seventysix inchesoffun/
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4741 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        When I clicked on the file it was down loaded and open with excel.

        Rick, here are a few .xls readers.

        1) office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx
        2)         www.freedownloadscenter.com/Best/xls-reader-free.html

        Google search for: .xls file readers.

        Many other spread sheet program will open and read.xls, just not write them.

        Garry



        On 1/2/08, Chuck Higdon <vze5crrw1@...> wrote:

        Rick,

        For some reason, I think you can still open it though the group.  Could you try and report back, so this rumor can be dispelled?

        Thanks,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Jones
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:05 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        erieberk wrote:
        >
        > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        > completed,...

        I'd prefer to see the list in a text or PDF format, since I don't
        have Excel and have no desire whatsoever to acquire it. I can't be the
        only one who doesn't own and use Excel or any of the other MS Office
        products.

        --

        Rick Jones

        The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
        http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/


        Group: vintageHO Message: 4742 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        I could not open it, and couldn't find a shareware program that would.  Mickeysoft wants $150 for excel.
         
        In my case, all is not lost since I DO have it on my machine at work, so I can print it out there, but that doesn't help other users.
         
        What I THINK I can do is scan the printed hard copy at work into a PDF file and post that (if it prints out into standard 8 1/2 x 11 pages)  I'll try to do that tomorrow.
         
        Don
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:08 PM
        Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Rick,

        For some reason, I think you can still open it though the group.  Could you try and report back, so this rumor can be dispelled?

        Thanks,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Rick Jones
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:05 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        erieberk wrote:
        >
        > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        > completed,.. .

        I'd prefer to see the list in a text or PDF format, since I don't
        have Excel and have no desire whatsoever to acquire it. I can't be the
        only one who doesn't own and use Excel or any of the other MS Office
        products.

        --

        Rick Jones

        The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
        http://www.geocitie s.com/seventysix inchesoffun/
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4743 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        The following may work http://office. microsoft. com/downloads/ 2000/xlviewer. aspx

        It has for others, I know.

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Don Dellmann
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:00 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        I could not open it, and couldn't find a shareware program that would.  Mickeysoft wants $150 for excel.

         

        In my case, all is not lost since I DO have it on my machine at work, so I can print it out there, but that doesn't help other users.

         

        What I THINK I can do is scan the printed hard copy at work into a PDF file and post that (if it prints out into standard 8 1/2 x 11 pages)  I'll try to do that tomorrow.

         

        Don

         

        ----- Original Message -----

        From: Chuck Higdon

        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:08 PM

        Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        Rick,

        For some reason, I think you can still open it though the group.  Could you try and report back, so this rumor can be dispelled?

        Thanks,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com ] On Behalf Of Rick Jones
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:05 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        erieberk wrote:
        >
        > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        > completed,.. .

        I'd prefer to see the list in a text or PDF format, since I don't
        have Excel and have no desire whatsoever to acquire it. I can't be the
        only one who doesn't own and use Excel or any of the other MS Office
        products.

        --

        Rick Jones

        The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
        http://www.geocitie s.com/seventysix inchesoffun/
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4744 From: Jerry Prather Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:05:00 -0600, Rick Jones wrote:

        > I'd prefer to see the list in a text or PDF format, since I don't
        >have Excel and have no desire whatsoever to acquire it. I can't be the
        >only one who doesn't own and use Excel or any of the other MS Office
        >products.

        You're not. Try Open Office.


        Jerry
        --
        " A patriot without religion . . . is as great a
        paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God."
        John Adams
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4745 From: Jim Snyder Date: 1/2/2008
        Subject: Re: Classic Athearn F7 shells
        I started the same way many of us did... via Lionel(I inherited my dad's 2-6-2 set that he
        bought after tWWII). When I was nine, I saw HO track hanging at Farmann's Trains, in
        Kankakee, IL... and I knew it all had to change. That track looked so GOOD! We sold the
        Lionel- I shudder when I think of it- for $125. And I got an Athearn train set. PRR F7-
        with HiF, no less! And I marveled then- as I still marvel- at those fans on the roof of that
        engine! True, the windshield wasn't exactly right- they didn't even come with glass! But,
        as I recall, I ended up with a whole slew of 'em. I upgraded 'em with gear-drives andlater
        moved to On3- but I still love that stuff! I just bought some Varney steam engines on
        eBay- probably to fulfill something or other- and, like the Athearn "F"s, they aren't quite
        Precision Scale- but they're beautiful! And one of 'em will pull my car! Check Snyder's
        Photos.

        So Happy New Years, Guys... I'll let yaz know when it stops being fun!

        J. Snyder
        Monterey





        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "John Hagen" <sprinthag@...> wrote:
        >
        > Ya know, for all the griping I hear these daze about the quality of
        > Athearn products and how the old stuff was soooo badly done, as someone
        > we (Don and I) know whose name also is John, once said about the
        > F7, "But we sure thought they were great for a lot of years".
        >
        > And they were far and away the best for many years in appearance,
        > reliability, reparability, parts availability and price.
        >
        > And they are still doing a good job with their products, especially
        > when price is figured into the equation.
        >
        > Wish everyone a very Happy and successful New Years.
        >
        > John Hagen
        >
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4746 From: Mike Sloane Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Or get OpenOffice - it is free and does everything that the MS Office
        suite does and both reads and writes all MS Office files. That is what I
        use in all my Windowz and Linux machines. <www.openoffice.org/>

        Mike

        Garry Spear wrote:
        >
        >
        > When I clicked on the file it was down loaded and open with excel.
        >
        > Rick, here are a few .xls readers.
        >
        > 1) office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx
        > <http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx>
        > 2) www.freedownloadscenter.com/Best/
        > <http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Best/>*xls*-reader-free.html
        >
        > Google search for: .xls file readers.
        >
        > Many other spread sheet program will open and read.xls, just not write them.
        >
        > Garry
        >
        >
        >
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4747 From: erieberk Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Hi Garry, Good going, and thanks a bunch for putting your spread
        sheet in the Files Section on Don's suggestion. That sure saves a
        lot of work (and thanks for the offer of a copy). Sometimes I don't
        get back here until the next day (like now), but now that its in the
        files, I'll go up and check it out in a few minutes. TTYL, Ray W.


        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Garry Spear" <garrettspear@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Hi Chuck, Ray, et al,
        >
        > I have an Excel spreed sheet with the Athearn (also, Park, Menzies,
        Bowers
        > +) with most of the kit numbers and the car numbers for that kit.
        >
        > The sheet has code to separate the various manufactures. The
        numbers are
        > coded to show if the number is from an original list given to me,
        or a new
        > number I found.
        >
        > You are welcome to a copy.
        >
        > Garry Spear
        >
        > On 1/2/08, erieberk <erieberk@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal,
        the
        > > same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back in
        > > October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we
        should
        > > start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738(?)
        or
        > > so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
        > > different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more
        than
        > > the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?
        > >
        > > I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
        > > reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered manufacturers'
        > > lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney,
        Laconia,
        > > Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or any
        > > others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
        > > reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when
        they
        > > changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still retained
        all
        > > the same reporting numbers for these same road names.
        > >
        > > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets
        are
        > > completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers
        which
        > > did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would
        still
        > > help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
        > > somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
        > > Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C Models,
        L-W
        > > Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada, Ideal
        or
        > > any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists would
        > > take me more time though; since they only had one reporting number
        > > and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered writing
        them
        > > down so would have to go all back through the collection to find
        that
        > > data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).
        > >
        > > Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>, "Chuck
        > > Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
        > > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel sheet
        > > together
        > > > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
        > > reporting
        > > > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
        > > >
        > > > Take care,
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > _____
        > > >
        > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        [mailto:
        > > vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>]
        > > On Behalf
        > > > Of erieberk
        > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178)
        > > car
        > > > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        > > > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        > > > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
        > > reporting
        > > > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known
        THIRTEEN
        > > > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out
        the
        > > > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least
        answer
        > > > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        > > > too. Ray W.
        > > >
        > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > ps.com,
        > > > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        > > > confirm that
        > > > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal²
        version
        > > > (with
        > > > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
        > > metal
        > > > parts are
        > > > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of
        the
        > > > twelve
        > > > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across
        ³all
        > > > metal²
        > > > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is
        that
        > > > it¹s out
        > > > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me
        for
        > > > sure.
        > > > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Lou G.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-
        door
        > > > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been
        confirmed
        > > > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a
        couple of
        > > > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production
        > > runs.
        > > > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars;
        #A-
        > > 301
        > > > PRR
        > > > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
        numbers),
        > > A-
        > > > 303
        > > > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        > > > numbers).
        > > > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's
        and
        > > 4
        > > > of
        > > > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
        Athearns,
        > > > but
        > > > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > > ps.com
        > > > <mailto:vintageHO% <vintageHO%25>
        > > > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > > > > wrote:
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        > > > have "kitbashed" it
        > > > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> > Don
        > > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > >> > From: jay matz
        > > > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > > ps.com
        > > > <mailto:vintageHO% <vintageHO%25>
        > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> > Don
        > > > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        > > > early
        > > > > > 50s.
        > > > > >> > Jay
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a
        > > > new
        > > > > > topic
        > > > > >> > MARKETPLACE
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------
        -
        > > > > > --------
        > > > > >> > Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your
        career
        > > > > > with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net.
        > > > > >> > .
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------
        -
        > > > > > ----------
        > > > > >> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with
        Yahoo!
        > > > > > Mobile. Try it now.
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > >
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4748 From: prrp5a Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Don,

        Although I don't want to provide a formal endorsement, if you go to the web site,  http://www.openoffice.org/  you can download a free, open source  system that can be used to replace word, excel, etc.  It is  pretty compatible, the price is right and it works.

        Jim

        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Don Dellmann <don.dellmann@...>
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 8:00:27 PM
        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        I could not open it, and couldn't find a shareware program that would.  Mickeysoft wants $150 for excel.
         
        In my case, all is not lost since I DO have it on my machine at work, so I can print it out there, but that doesn't help other users.
         
        What I THINK I can do is scan the printed hard copy at work into a PDF file and post that (if it prints out into standard 8 1/2 x 11 pages)  I'll try to do that tomorrow.
         
        Don
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:08 PM
        Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Rick,

        For some reason, I think you can still open it though the group.  Could you try and report back, so this rumor can be dispelled?

        Thanks,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com ] On Behalf Of Rick Jones
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:05 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        erieberk wrote:
        >
        > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        > completed,.. .

        I'd prefer to see the list in a text or PDF format, since I don't
        have Excel and have no desire whatsoever to acquire it. I can't be the
        only one who doesn't own and use Excel or any of the other MS Office
        products.

        --

        Rick Jones

        The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
        http://www.geocitie s.com/seventysix inchesoffun/




        Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4749 From: erieberk Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Chuck, Now that we have Garry's metal Athearn listing. I'm no longer
        needing to send you that, which saves us both a lot of work (thanks
        again, Garry). I'll check this Athearn list out in the Files Section
        to look it over for possible omissions and/or corrections. I know
        even the extensive list I have is not complete, as I've seen
        suspected (but previously unconfirmed) new numbers on eBay offerings
        of these cars which were never verified before. I've tried following
        the Athearn metal eBay listings for possible new numbers, but found
        it impossible to keep tabs on every listing.

        Now, as for these others, the info from any of them is no problem. I
        can supply you with most of it, having complete or near-complete
        collections of most (yeah, I'm a pack rat, big time, LOL). Let me
        know where you want to start. If I don't have it written down, this
        will give me a good excuse to go digging. As for the manufacturers
        of which my collection is not quite complete, maybe the rest of the
        interested members will be able to contribute numbers. BCNU, Ray W.


        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Ray,
        >
        > For the others, I certainly can do something in format, the Athearn
        style of
        > Garry's or the MDC style. But I have almost no info on the makers
        listed,
        > so would need much input.
        >
        >
        >
        > Take care,
        >
        >
        >
        > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
        On Behalf
        > Of erieberk
        > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:51 AM
        > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        >
        >
        >
        > Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal, the
        > same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back in
        > October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we should
        > start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738(?)
        or
        > so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
        > different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more than
        > the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?
        >
        > I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
        > reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered manufacturers'
        > lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney,
        Laconia,
        > Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or any
        > others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
        > reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when they
        > changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still retained
        all
        > the same reporting numbers for these same road names.
        >
        > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets
        are
        > completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers
        which
        > did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would
        still
        > help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
        > somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
        > Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C Models, L-
        W
        > Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada, Ideal or
        > any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists would
        > take me more time though; since they only had one reporting number
        > and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered writing
        them
        > down so would have to go all back through the collection to find
        that
        > data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).
        >
        > Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel
        >
        > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com,
        > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
        > wrote:
        > >
        > > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel sheet
        > together
        > > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
        > reporting
        > > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
        > >
        > > Take care,
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
        > webshots.com/user/lordon104
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > _____
        > >
        > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com
        > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com]
        > On Behalf
        > > Of erieberk
        > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        ps.com
        > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178)
        > car
        > > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        > > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        > > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
        > reporting
        > > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known
        THIRTEEN
        > > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out
        the
        > > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        > > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        > > too. Ray W.
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        > ps.com,
        > > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        > > confirm that
        > > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal²
        version
        > > (with
        > > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
        > metal
        > > parts are
        > > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of
        the
        > > twelve
        > > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across ³all
        > > metal²
        > > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is
        that
        > > it¹s out
        > > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        > > sure.
        > > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Lou G.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-
        door
        > > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been confirmed
        > > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a couple
        of
        > > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production
        > runs.
        > > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars; #A-
        > 301
        > > PRR
        > > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
        numbers),
        > A-
        > > 303
        > > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        > > numbers).
        > > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's
        and
        > 4
        > > of
        > > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
        Athearns,
        > > but
        > > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
        > > > >
        > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > ps.com
        > > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > > > wrote:
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        > > have "kitbashed" it
        > > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> > Don
        > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > >> > From: jay matz
        > > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > ps.com
        > > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > > 40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> > Don
        > > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        > > early
        > > > > 50s.
        > > > >> > Jay
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a
        > > new
        > > > > topic
        > > > >> > MARKETPLACE
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
        > > > > --------
        > > > >> > Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career
        > > > > with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net.
        > > > >> > .
        > > > >> >
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4750 From: mmattjcoleman Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: A dealer with some old HO
        To those who may be interested, a friend of mine, Jim Derr, is a
        dealer in older trains (he is retired and goes to about 20 shows a
        year) and while he deals primarily in N Scale, he also gets a lot of
        older HO. Today while visiting him he showed me a group of early HO
        boxcars and reefers (paper sides, cast pot metal trucks, etc) as well
        as an Athearn rubber-band (Hi-F) drive GP-9 in SP Black Widow. He
        also had one of the old Athearn 40-ft flats with a single trailer on
        it. Didn't catch the road name of the flat or the trailer but it
        looked to be in good nick.

        I have suggested he join our group, but just in case he doesn't, if
        anyone is interested email me off line and I will pass along his
        email address (he said it was ok to do so.) He also has lots of old
        HO loco and car parts (too many to even go through) but I suspect
        that if you know what you are looking for he can dig through to see
        if he can find it.

        He is not a collector so don't expect him to know what it is he has,
        he is strictly a good dealer who helps move stuff out of estates and
        back into circulation. He usually calls me up to look over his stuff
        and tell him what he has.

        Matt Coleman
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4751 From: erieberk Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Hi Garry, Just getting back to you with a few omissions after going
        through your Atghearn metal spead shhet. At first I though you had
        it all jumbled up, but then I see you have it laid out in
        alphabetical order of the railroads. I have my list according to kit
        number (A-102 to A-127, etc., then A-175 to A-186 and so on). Wow,
        this takes time cross-referring all the numbers without making a
        mistake. I had time only to go through all the 40' Standard AAR Box
        cars -- will try tackling some more tomorrow.

        Here's what else I came up with, please add these to your list:

        ATHEARN

        A-107 ACL 20728 (what is your #20345.7?)

        A-109 CE&I 64449

        A-112 CP 221490, 223416

        A-113 ERIE 79182, 79724

        A-114 FEC 21103

        A-118 DL&W 51969

        A-119 MONON (CIL) 34

        A-121 NKP (NYC&StL) 16390, 16392, 16393 -- NOTE: you have this as
        NC&StL (same as A-185)

        A-122 NP 15823, 15825 (what is your #16217.5?)

        A-123 PM 81237, 84222, 84223

        A-124 RI You have two schemes; there are three, the 3rd being Rocket
        Freight.
        100 Years - 14068, 14089 Rocket Freight - 148900, 148904

        A-125 SAL 19699

        A-126 SP 60700, 60752, 60798, 82730

        A-127 UP (OWR&N) 188796, 188966

        Uncataloged:

        CG (Central of Georgia) - 4527, 4561, 4570

        LV (Lehigh Valley) - 61400

        SOO (SOO Line) - 43342, 43345, 43347, 43348, 43349, 44346


        Park Varieties:

        BCK (Buffalo Creek) - 2450, 2454

        CN (Canadian National) - 524100.

        C&O (Chesapeake & Ohio) - 15347

        CP (Canadian Pacific -- Int'l of ME) - 269024, 269781

        CB&Q (FW&D) - 8518, 9250

        ERIE - 82057, 82148, 82439, 82456, 82660, 82970

        GN (Great Northern -- Box Car Red) 18664

        PRR (Pennsylvania RR) - 78925


        Bowser --

        LV (Lehigh Valley ) - 62604

        PRR (Pennsylvania RR) - 24063


        Modelmaster -- Unfinished kit supplied early on by Athearn, to be
        painted by this manufacturer (in only one color scheme).

        GN (Great Northern -- Orange) - 10090, 10320, 10322, 10325, 10347,
        10355, 10476, 10557 (there might be more numbers on these!)

        Best Regards, Ray Wetzel

        ---------------O----------------






        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Garry Spear" <garrettspear@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Hi Chuck, Ray, et al,
        >
        > I have an Excel spreed sheet with the Athearn (also, Park, Menzies,
        Bowers
        > +) with most of the kit numbers and the car numbers for that kit.
        >
        > The sheet has code to separate the various manufactures. The
        numbers are
        > coded to show if the number is from an original list given to me,
        or a new
        > number I found.
        >
        > You are welcome to a copy.
        >
        > Garry Spear
        >
        > On 1/2/08, erieberk <erieberk@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal,
        the
        > > same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back in
        > > October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we
        should
        > > start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738(?)
        or
        > > so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
        > > different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more
        than
        > > the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?
        > >
        > > I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
        > > reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered manufacturers'
        > > lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney,
        Laconia,
        > > Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or any
        > > others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
        > > reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when
        they
        > > changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still retained
        all
        > > the same reporting numbers for these same road names.
        > >
        > > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets
        are
        > > completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers
        which
        > > did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would
        still
        > > help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
        > > somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
        > > Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C Models,
        L-W
        > > Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada, Ideal
        or
        > > any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists would
        > > take me more time though; since they only had one reporting number
        > > and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered writing
        them
        > > down so would have to go all back through the collection to find
        that
        > > data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).
        > >
        > > Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>, "Chuck
        > > Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
        > > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel sheet
        > > together
        > > > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
        > > reporting
        > > > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
        > > >
        > > > Take care,
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > _____
        > > >
        > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        [mailto:
        > > vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>]
        > > On Behalf
        > > > Of erieberk
        > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178)
        > > car
        > > > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        > > > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        > > > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
        > > reporting
        > > > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known
        THIRTEEN
        > > > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out
        the
        > > > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least
        answer
        > > > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        > > > too. Ray W.
        > > >
        > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > ps.com,
        > > > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        > > > confirm that
        > > > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal²
        version
        > > > (with
        > > > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
        > > metal
        > > > parts are
        > > > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of
        the
        > > > twelve
        > > > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across
        ³all
        > > > metal²
        > > > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is
        that
        > > > it¹s out
        > > > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me
        for
        > > > sure.
        > > > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Lou G.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-
        door
        > > > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been
        confirmed
        > > > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a
        couple of
        > > > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production
        > > runs.
        > > > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars;
        #A-
        > > 301
        > > > PRR
        > > > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
        numbers),
        > > A-
        > > > 303
        > > > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        > > > numbers).
        > > > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's
        and
        > > 4
        > > > of
        > > > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
        Athearns,
        > > > but
        > > > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > > ps.com
        > > > <mailto:vintageHO% <vintageHO%25>
        > > > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > > > > wrote:
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        > > > have "kitbashed" it
        > > > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> > Don
        > > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
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        > > > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
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        > > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> >
        > > > > >> > Don
        > > > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
        > > > early
        > > > > > 50s.
        > > > > >> > Jay
        > > > > >> >
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4752 From: erieberk Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Garry, I forgot to mention -- I did not check you Menzies numbers as
        I don't have any of mine written down, I'll have to go all through
        the carton of them, but it will take time as they completely fill one
        2' x 4' x 18" carton, so that'a lot of different plastic kit bags.
        TTYL, Ray W.


        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi Garry, Just getting back to you with a few omissions after
        going
        > through your Atghearn metal spead shhet. At first I though you had
        > it all jumbled up, but then I see you have it laid out in
        > alphabetical order of the railroads. I have my list according to
        kit
        > number (A-102 to A-127, etc., then A-175 to A-186 and so on). Wow,
        > this takes time cross-referring all the numbers without making a
        > mistake. I had time only to go through all the 40' Standard AAR
        Box
        > cars -- will try tackling some more tomorrow.
        >
        > Here's what else I came up with, please add these to your list:
        >
        > ATHEARN
        >
        > A-107 ACL 20728 (what is your #20345.7?)
        >
        > A-109 CE&I 64449
        >
        > A-112 CP 221490, 223416
        >
        > A-113 ERIE 79182, 79724
        >
        > A-114 FEC 21103
        >
        > A-118 DL&W 51969
        >
        > A-119 MONON (CIL) 34
        >
        > A-121 NKP (NYC&StL) 16390, 16392, 16393 -- NOTE: you have this as
        > NC&StL (same as A-185)
        >
        > A-122 NP 15823, 15825 (what is your #16217.5?)
        >
        > A-123 PM 81237, 84222, 84223
        >
        > A-124 RI You have two schemes; there are three, the 3rd being
        Rocket
        > Freight.
        > 100 Years - 14068, 14089 Rocket Freight - 148900, 148904
        >
        > A-125 SAL 19699
        >
        > A-126 SP 60700, 60752, 60798, 82730
        >
        > A-127 UP (OWR&N) 188796, 188966
        >
        > Uncataloged:
        >
        > CG (Central of Georgia) - 4527, 4561, 4570
        >
        > LV (Lehigh Valley) - 61400
        >
        > SOO (SOO Line) - 43342, 43345, 43347, 43348, 43349, 44346
        >
        >
        > Park Varieties:
        >
        > BCK (Buffalo Creek) - 2450, 2454
        >
        > CN (Canadian National) - 524100.
        >
        > C&O (Chesapeake & Ohio) - 15347
        >
        > CP (Canadian Pacific -- Int'l of ME) - 269024, 269781
        >
        > CB&Q (FW&D) - 8518, 9250
        >
        > ERIE - 82057, 82148, 82439, 82456, 82660, 82970
        >
        > GN (Great Northern -- Box Car Red) 18664
        >
        > PRR (Pennsylvania RR) - 78925
        >
        >
        > Bowser --
        >
        > LV (Lehigh Valley ) - 62604
        >
        > PRR (Pennsylvania RR) - 24063
        >
        >
        > Modelmaster -- Unfinished kit supplied early on by Athearn, to be
        > painted by this manufacturer (in only one color scheme).
        >
        > GN (Great Northern -- Orange) - 10090, 10320, 10322, 10325, 10347,
        > 10355, 10476, 10557 (there might be more numbers on these!)
        >
        > Best Regards, Ray Wetzel
        >
        > ---------------O----------------
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Garry Spear" <garrettspear@>
        > wrote:
        > >
        > > Hi Chuck, Ray, et al,
        > >
        > > I have an Excel spreed sheet with the Athearn (also, Park,
        Menzies,
        > Bowers
        > > +) with most of the kit numbers and the car numbers for that kit.
        > >
        > > The sheet has code to separate the various manufactures. The
        > numbers are
        > > coded to show if the number is from an original list given to me,
        > or a new
        > > number I found.
        > >
        > > You are welcome to a copy.
        > >
        > > Garry Spear
        > >
        > > On 1/2/08, erieberk <erieberk@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn
        metal,
        > the
        > > > same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back
        in
        > > > October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we
        > should
        > > > start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738
        (?)
        > or
        > > > so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
        > > > different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more
        > than
        > > > the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?
        > > >
        > > > I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
        > > > reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered
        manufacturers'
        > > > lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney,
        > Laconia,
        > > > Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or
        any
        > > > others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
        > > > reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when
        > they
        > > > changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still
        retained
        > all
        > > > the same reporting numbers for these same road names.
        > > >
        > > > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread
        sheets
        > are
        > > > completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers
        > which
        > > > did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would
        > still
        > > > help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
        > > > somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
        > > > Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C
        Models,
        > L-W
        > > > Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada,
        Ideal
        > or
        > > > any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists
        would
        > > > take me more time though; since they only had one reporting
        number
        > > > and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered
        writing
        > them
        > > > down so would have to go all back through the collection to
        find
        > that
        > > > data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).
        > > >
        > > > Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel
        > > >
        > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Chuck
        > > > Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
        > > > wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel
        sheet
        > > > together
        > > > > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
        > > > reporting
        > > > > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
        > > > >
        > > > > Take care,
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > _____
        > > > >
        > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        > [mailto:
        > > > vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>]
        > > > On Behalf
        > > > > Of erieberk
        > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-
        178)
        > > > car
        > > > > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        > > > > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        > > > > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
        > > > reporting
        > > > > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known
        > THIRTEEN
        > > > > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check
        out
        > the
        > > > > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least
        > answer
        > > > > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New
        Year
        > > > > too. Ray W.
        > > > >
        > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > ps.com,
        > > > > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
        > > > > >
        > > > > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        > > > > confirm that
        > > > > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal²
        > version
        > > > > (with
        > > > > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
        > > > metal
        > > > > parts are
        > > > > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof?
        Of
        > the
        > > > > twelve
        > > > > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across
        > ³all
        > > > > metal²
        > > > > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is
        > that
        > > > > it¹s out
        > > > > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me
        > for
        > > > > sure.
        > > > > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Lou G.
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
        > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40'
        single-
        > door
        > > > > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been
        > confirmed
        > > > > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a
        > couple of
        > > > > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn
        production
        > > > runs.
        > > > > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars;
        > #A-
        > > > 301
        > > > > PRR
        > > > > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
        > numbers),
        > > > A-
        > > > > 303
        > > > > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        > > > > numbers).
        > > > > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the
        SAL's
        > and
        > > > 4
        > > > > of
        > > > > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
        > Athearns,
        > > > > but
        > > > > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > ps.com
        > > > > <mailto:vintageHO% <vintageHO%25>
        > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
        > > > > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
        > > > > > > wrote:
        > > > > > >> >
        > > > > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        > > > > have "kitbashed" it
        > > > > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > > > > > >> >
        > > > > > >> > Don
        > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > > >> > From: jay matz
        > > > > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
        > 40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > ps.com
        > > > > <mailto:vintageHO% <vintageHO%25>
        > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > > > > > >> >
        > > > > > >> >
        > > > > > >> > Don
        > > > > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in
        the
        > > > > early
        > > > > > > 50s.
        > > > > > >> > Jay
        > > > > > >> >
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4753 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
        Hello,

        This email message is a notification to let you know that
        a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the vintageHO
        group.

        File : /MANUF Athearn.XLS
        Uploaded by : garrettspear <garrettspear@...>
        Description : List of Metal Car Kits with Numbers

        You can access this file at the URL:
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO/files/MANUF%20Athearn.XLS

        To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
        http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles

        Regards,

        garrettspear <garrettspear@...>
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4754 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Yuck.  Some how I messed up the information.

        I just reloaded the file, with better info.  Looks like I copied 1 column onto another.  Anyhow the number look better.

        I forgot that i sorted the list be in roadname order.  Trying to check a car on the list at a train meet as to hard in kit number sequence.  Please feel free to download the list and sort it.

        Garry Spear
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4755 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Mike Sloane wrote:
        > Or get OpenOffice - it is free and does everything that the MS Office
        > suite does and both reads and writes all MS Office files. That is what I
        > use in all my Windowz and Linux machines. <www.openoffice.org/>

        Dl'ed it last night (107 Mb!) Have not installed it yet. Since I
        also use Firefox and Thunderbird and trashed MS's pathetic offerings
        this is more my style.
        Now if I could just find a good freeware DVD authoring program...

        --

        Rick Jones

        The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
        http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/

        You know you're getting old when you no longer take naps from
        noon to 6 PM.
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4756 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Downloading it now, I'll try it out.  (Such a madhouse at work today I didn't have a chance to look at the file there).
         
        Thanks
         
        Don
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: prrp5a
        Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:10 AM
        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Don,

        Although I don't want to provide a formal endorsement, if you go to the web site,  http://www.openoffice.org/  you can download a free, open source  system that can be used to replace word, excel, etc.  It is  pretty compatible, the price is right and it works.

        Jim

        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Don Dellmann <don.dellmann@...>
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 8:00:27 PM
        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        I could not open it, and couldn't find a shareware program that would.  Mickeysoft wants $150 for excel.
         
        In my case, all is not lost since I DO have it on my machine at work, so I can print it out there, but that doesn't help other users.
         
        What I THINK I can do is scan the printed hard copy at work into a PDF file and post that (if it prints out into standard 8 1/2 x 11 pages)  I'll try to do that tomorrow.
         
        Don
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:08 PM
        Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Rick,

        For some reason, I think you can still open it though the group.  Could you try and report back, so this rumor can be dispelled?

        Thanks,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com ] On Behalf Of Rick Jones
        Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:05 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        erieberk wrote:
        >
        > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets are
        > completed,.. .

        I'd prefer to see the list in a text or PDF format, since I don't
        have Excel and have no desire whatsoever to acquire it. I can't be the
        only one who doesn't own and use Excel or any of the other MS Office
        products.

        --

        Rick Jones

        The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
        http://www.geocitie s.com/seventysix inchesoffun/




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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4757 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/3/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Ray,

        With regards to the other list, it makes no difference to me.  It sounds like you have many lists, so just send me one and when it is done, send another.  I will post them at the site and others can help to fill in any blanks.  The MDC one worked well.  I sure we will learn a lot when this is father along.

         

        Take care,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
        Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:10 AM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        Chuck, Now that we have Garry's metal Athearn listing. I'm no longer
        needing to send you that, which saves us both a lot of work (thanks
        again, Garry). I'll check this Athearn list out in the Files Section
        to look it over for possible omissions and/or corrections. I know
        even the extensive list I have is not complete, as I've seen
        suspected (but previously unconfirmed) new numbers on eBay offerings
        of these cars which were never verified before. I've tried following
        the Athearn metal eBay listings for possible new numbers, but found
        it impossible to keep tabs on every listing.

        Now, as for these others, the info from any of them is no problem. I
        can supply you with most of it, having complete or near-complete
        collections of most (yeah, I'm a pack rat, big time, LOL). Let me
        know where you want to start. If I don't have it written down, this
        will give me a good excuse to go digging. As for the manufacturers
        of which my collection is not quite complete, maybe the rest of the
        interested members will be able to contribute numbers. BCNU, Ray W.

        --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
        wrote:

        >
        > Ray,
        >
        > For the others, I certainly can do something in format, the Athearn
        style of
        > Garry's or the MDC style. But I have almost no info on the makers
        listed,
        > so would need much input.
        >
        >
        >
        > Take care,
        >
        >
        >
        > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
        On Behalf
        > Of erieberk
        > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:51 AM
        > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
        > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        >
        >
        >
        > Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal, the
        > same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back in
        > October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we should
        > start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738(?)
        or
        > so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
        > different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more than
        > the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?
        >
        > I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
        > reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered manufacturers'
        > lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney,
        Laconia,
        > Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or any
        > others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
        > reporting number even though in some case like Main
        Line, when they
        > changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still retained
        all
        > the same reporting numbers for these same road names.
        >
        > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets
        are
        > completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers
        which
        > did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would
        still
        > help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
        > somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
        > Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C Models, L-
        W
        > Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of
        w:st="on"> Canada , Ideal or
        > any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists would
        > take me more time though; since they only had one reporting number
        > and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered writing
        them
        > down so would have to go all back through the collection to find
        that
        > data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).
        >
        > Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel
        >
        > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
        ps.com,
        > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
        > wrote:
        > >
        > > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel sheet
        > together
        > > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
        > reporting
        > > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
        > >
        > > Take care,
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
        > > http://community. <
        href="http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104">http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
        > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > _____
        > >
        > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
        ps.com
        > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
        ps.com]
        > On Behalf
        > > Of erieberk
        > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
        > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
        ps.com
        > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-178)
        > car
        > > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
        > > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
        > > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
        > reporting
        > > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known
        THIRTEEN
        > > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out
        the
        > > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least answer
        > > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New Year
        > > too. Ray W.
        > >
        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
        > ps.com,
        > > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
        > > confirm that
        > > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal²
        version
        > > (with
        > > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
        > metal
        > > parts are
        > > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of
        the
        > > twelve
        > > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across ³all
        > > metal²
        > > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is
        that
        > > it¹s out
        > > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me for
        > > sure.
        > > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Lou G.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@>
        wrote:
        > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40'
        single-
        door
        > > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been
        confirmed
        > > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a
        couple
        of
        > > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production
        > runs.
        > > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars;
        #A-
        > 301
        > > PRR
        > > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
        numbers),
        > A-
        > > 303
        > > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
        > > numbers).
        > > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the
        SAL's
        and
        > 4
        > > of
        > > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
        Athearns,
        > > but
        > > > > these were "distinctive" . Ray W.
        > > > >
        > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups. com>
        > ps.com
        > > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > > 40yahoogroups. com> , "Don
        > > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@ >
        > > > > wrote:
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
        > > have "kitbashed" it
        > > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> > Don
        > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > >> > From: jay matz
        > > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
        40yahoogroups. com>
        > ps.com
        > > <mailto:vintageHO%
        > > 40yahoogroups. com>
        > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
        > > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> > Don
        > > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got
        it in the
        > > early
        > > > > 50s.
        > > > >> > Jay
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> >
        > > > >> > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) |
        Start a
        > > new
        > > > > topic
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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4758 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/4/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Mike Sloane" <mikesloane@...>
        To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:08 AM
        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?


        > Or get OpenOffice - it is free and does everything that the MS Office
        > suite does and both reads and writes all MS Office files. That is what I
        > use in all my Windowz and Linux machines. <www.openoffice.org/>
        >
        > Mike

        Thanks, worked fine.

        Don
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4759 From: erieberk Date: 1/4/2008
        Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Hi Garry, Probably depends on what you mean by "messed up;" you do
        have the in order (in railroad-name alphabetical order). I find it
        easier for myself to have them in separate Groups by kit numbers, in
        lots of what Group they're in -- Standard Single-Door 40' box cars,
        Special Single-Door 40' box cars and so on, instead of having them all
        mixed in.

        As for sorting out your spread sheet, I'd much prefer you handle it, if
        you would. I'm not that good at that stuff and don't want to mess it
        up. Looks like you added in the new road numbers I gave you. Haven't
        looked through it completely as its much easier to read when its
        printed out, so I'll wait 'till you complete it.

        I've included the remainder of the missing numbers for all the rest of
        the kit #'s/road names, as best as I know what they all are, here below
        even though there still could be a couple still in the "woodwork" that
        we don't know about. I've taken most of them from my collection so I
        can verify them, plus some I've gotten from a few reliable friends of
        mine (whom I've known for 20 - 30+ years) such as Frank Brua (Park
        Varieties, George Horan, Burt Poppenga and J. ("Dave") Spanagel, all
        who helped with putting the Greenberg Athearn Guide together. Still
        have to go through the G.F. Menzies too, next chance I get.


        ATHEARN:

        40' Special Box Cars --

        A-177 C&O (Luminous) - 15559, 15880

        A-178 NYC (Pacemaker) - 174475, 174479

        A-179 SP (Abbr.) Overnight - 97732, 99723

        A-184 MP (Eagle) - 120175


        50' Automobile Box Cars --

        A-201 KCS - 20867

        A-203 MKT - 62009


        40' Round Roof Box Cars --

        A-302 DT&I - 17709, 17757


        40' Round Roof Automibile Box Cars --

        A-306 DT&I - 12108


        50' Round Roof Automobile Box Cars --

        A=310 DT&I - 19907


        40' Standard Refrigerator Cars --

        A-401 MDT (NYC) - 9040

        A-402 IC - 50037, 50456

        A-403 BREX (CB&Q) - 74230

        A-404 FGEX - 9259, 9272

        A-405 ART (MP/WAB) - 37291

        A-411 Armour - 292

        A-412 ART - 36022, 36095, 36129, 36291, 36172


        Tank Cars --

        A-504 Crystal - 306

        A-506 Mobilgas - 8039

        A-508 SP (Diesel) - 55449, 55458, 55463, 55472

        A-513 UTLX - 223

        A-514 Deep Rock - 2144, 2156


        40' Flat Cars --

        A-601 C&NW - 42002, 42082, 42345

        A-602 CRR (Clinchfield) -10073

        A-603 GTW - 64300, 64276, 64342


        PARK VARIETIES:

        50' Automobile Box Cars --

        ACL (Atlantic Coast Line) - (Number Decals) 14000 - 14499

        B&O (Baltimore & Ohio) - 292812, 297440

        PRR (Pennsylvania RR) - 74405, 76233


        That about wraps it up! Best, Ray Wetzel

        --------------O---------------





        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Garry Spear" <garrettspear@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Yuck. Some how I messed up the information.
        >
        > I just reloaded the file, with better info. Looks like I copied 1
        column
        > onto another. Anyhow the number look better.
        >
        > I forgot that i sorted the list be in roadname order. Trying to
        check a car
        > on the list at a train meet as to hard in kit number sequence.
        Please feel
        > free to download the list and sort it.
        >
        > Garry Spear
        >
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4760 From: madchemep2@aol.com Date: 1/4/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Hello Don: You sure opened a subject that seems to catch the fancy of a lot of members. I know I went through all the posts on this subject thoroughly (especially the Athearn listing, thanks to Garry Spear and Ray Wetzel) and came away with a lot of info. Keep up the good work.  Al Campbell



        Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4761 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/4/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        erieberk wrote:
        > Hi Garry, Probably depends on what you mean by "messed up;" you do
        > have the in order (in railroad-name alphabetical order). I find it
        > easier for myself to have them in separate Groups by kit numbers, in
        > lots of what Group they're in -- Standard Single-Door 40' box cars,
        > Special Single-Door 40' box cars and so on, instead of having them all
        > mixed in.

        Sounds like a database might be preferable to a spreadsheet. Then
        you could sort on whichever field suits you.

        --

        Rick Jones

        The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
        http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/

        666.1 - Bug fix of The Beast
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4762 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/4/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Sharing information is what this group is all about, and we've been EXTREMELY fortunate to have so many knowledgable members who are willing to share what they know.
         
        Thanks to you all.
         
        Don
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:54 PM
        Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Hello Don: You sure opened a subject that seems to catch the fancy of a lot of members. I know I went through all the posts on this subject thoroughly (especially the Athearn listing, thanks to Garry Spear and Ray Wetzel) and came away with a lot of info. Keep up the good work.  Al Campbell



        Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4763 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/5/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?

        Rick,

        You are right.  But since even less people have databases, I just add a sequence column as the first column to my sheets.  Then after doing all of the other sorts, like by road name.  I can just resort by the seq. and the list is the way I want to present it.

        Take care,

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Rick Jones
        Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:39 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        erieberk wrote:

        > Hi Garry, Probably depends on what you mean by "messed up;" you
        do
        > have the in order (in railroad-name alphabetical order). I find it
        > easier for myself to have them in separate Groups by kit numbers, in
        > lots of what Group they're in -- Standard Single-Door 40' box cars,
        > Special Single-Door 40' box cars and so on, instead of having them all
        > mixed in.

        Sounds like a database might be preferable to a spreadsheet. Then
        you could sort on whichever field suits you.

        --

        Rick Jones

        The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
        http://www.geocitie s.com/seventysix inchesoffun/,_._,___

        Group: vintageHO Message: 4764 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/5/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Neat idea!!

        Garry Spear

        On 1/5/08, Chuck Higdon <vze5crrw1@...> wrote:

        Rick,

        You are right.  But since even less people have databases, I just add a sequence column as the first column to my sheets.  Then after doing all of the other sorts, like by road name.  I can just resort by the seq. and the list is the way I want to present it.

        Take care,

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Jones
        Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:39 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

         

        erieberk wrote:
        > Hi Garry, Probably depends on what you mean by "messed up;" you do
        > have the in order (in railroad-name alphabetical order). I find it
        > easier for myself to have them in separate Groups by kit numbers, in
        > lots of what Group they're in -- Standard Single-Door 40' box cars,
        > Special Single-Door 40' box cars and so on, instead of having them all
        > mixed in.

        Sounds like a database might be preferable to a spreadsheet. Then
        you could sort on whichever field suits you.

        --

        Rick Jones

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        Group: vintageHO Message: 4765 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/5/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Gentlemen........

        We are overlooking the free Office suite known as Open Office.


        You want a database anyone can own, there it is as a part of the suite.

        Best to ya'
        Mike Bauers
        Milwaukee Wi, USA

        On Jan 5, 2008, at 8:09 AM, Chuck Higdon wrote:

        Rick,
        You are right.  But since even less people have databases, I just add a sequence column as the first column to my sheets.  Then after doing all of the other sorts, like by road name.  I can just resort by the seq. and the list is the way I want to present it.
        Take care,
        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
         
        From: Rick Jones
        Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:39 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
         
        erieberk wrote:
        > Hi Garry, Probably depends on what you mean by "messed up;" you do 
        > have the in order (in railroad-name alphabetical order). I find it 
        > easier for myself to have them in separate Groups by kit numbers, in 
        > lots of what Group they're in -- Standard Single-Door 40' box cars, 
        > Special Single-Door 40' box cars and so on, instead of having them all 
        > mixed in.

        Sounds like a database might be preferable to a spreadsheet. Then 
        you could sort on whichever field suits you.
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4766 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/5/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        That was actually mentioned here a couple days ago for those who don't have excell.  I downloaded it myself the other night.
         
        There is a database function on the group home page, but I don't know how much memory is allowed, or how functional it really is.
         
        BTW, PING to Mike, were you able to make me any passenger car ends?  I'm ready for about five pair, have a whole pile of Varney card sides ready to go.
         
        Don
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:43 PM
        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

        Gentlemen........

        We are overlooking the free Office suite known as Open Office.


        You want a database anyone can own, there it is as a part of the suite.

        Best to ya'
        Mike Bauers
        Milwaukee Wi, USA


        On Jan 5, 2008, at 8:09 AM, Chuck Higdon wrote:

        Rick,
        You are right.  But since even less people have databases, I just add a sequence column as the first column to my sheets.  Then after doing all of the other sorts, like by road name.  I can just resort by the seq. and the list is the way I want to present it.
        Take care,
        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
        From: Rick Jones
        Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:39 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
        erieberk wrote:
        > Hi Garry, Probably depends on what you mean by "messed up;" you do 
        > have the in order (in railroad-name alphabetical order). I find it 
        > easier for myself to have them in separate Groups by kit numbers, in 
        > lots of what Group they're in -- Standard Single-Door 40' box cars, 
        > Special Single-Door 40' box cars and so on, instead of having them all 
        > mixed in.

        Sounds like a database might be preferable to a spreadsheet. Then 
        you could sort on whichever field suits you.
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4767 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/5/2008
        Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
        Jog me again............

        I've got the patterns.......... Which car types did you want????

        I suppose I should just go and make them all...........

        Best to ya'
        Mike Bauers
        Milwaukee Wi, USA

        On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Don Dellmann wrote:

        That was actually mentioned here a couple days ago for those who don't have excell.  I downloaded it myself the other night.
         
        There is a database function on the group home page, but I don't know how much memory is allowed, or how functional it really is.
         
        BTW, PING to Mike, were you able to make me any passenger car ends?  I'm ready for about five pair, have a whole pile of Varney card sides ready to go.
         
        Don
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4768 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/5/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

        Don,

         

        Are these car sides heavies or lightweights?  I just discovered a Card sided passenger car that has the exact same pattern as the English metal cast and Penn Line plastic molded coaches.  The trucks on this car do say Varney on them and there were two blocks just like on the underside of the Penn line floor molding.  So my question is? was this card side coach a Varney side?  It seems to have seat inside also.

         

        Thanks,

         

        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

         

        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Don Dellmann
        Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:22 PM
        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

         

        That was actually mentioned here a couple days ago for those who don't have excell.  I downloaded it myself the other night.

         

        There is a database function on the group home page, but I don't know how much memory is allowed, or how functional it really is.

         

        BTW, PING to Mike, were you able to make me any passenger car ends?  I'm ready for about five pair, have a whole pile of Varney card sides ready to go.

         

        Don
        Group: vintageHO Message: 4769 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/5/2008
        Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
        Attachments :
          This subject made me dig through my JE/Hobbyline box. I found two combines
          one plastic and one metal also have a card sided one that Don had identified
          as a Varney a while back. It was received as a Varney and had six wheel
          trucks marked Varney, I though four wheelers would be look better so put a
          Walther set on. Not sure of the dates on these so wonder who ripped off
          who, John English or Gordin Varney? Roger Aultman


          Don
          Are these car sides heavies or lightweights? I just discovered a Card sided
          passenger car that has the exact same pattern as the English metal cast and
          Penn Line plastic molded coaches. The trucks on this car do say Varney on
          them and there were two blocks just like on the underside of the Penn line
          floor molding. So my question is? was this card side coach a Varney side?
          It seems to have seat inside also.

          Thanks,

          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
          http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104




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          Group: vintageHO Message: 4770 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/5/2008
          Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
          Just that Walthers end that you made a mold of at Trainfest.
           
          Don
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:04 PM
          Subject: Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

          Jog me again............

          I've got the patterns.......... Which car types did you want????

          I suppose I should just go and make them all...........

          Best to ya'
          Mike Bauers
          Milwaukee Wi, USA


          On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Don Dellmann wrote:

          That was actually mentioned here a couple days ago for those who don't have excell.  I downloaded it myself the other night.
           
          There is a database function on the group home page, but I don't know how much memory is allowed, or how functional it really is.
           
          BTW, PING to Mike, were you able to make me any passenger car ends?  I'm ready for about five pair, have a whole pile of Varney card sides ready to go.
           
          Don
          Group: vintageHO Message: 4771 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/5/2008
          Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
          the John English cars were sold without trucks. gj
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Roger Aultman" <raul@...>
          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 6:54 PM
          Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?


          > This subject made me dig through my JE/Hobbyline box. I found two
          > combines
          > one plastic and one metal also have a card sided one that Don had
          > identified
          > as a Varney a while back. It was received as a Varney and had six wheel
          > trucks marked Varney, I though four wheelers would be look better so put a
          > Walther set on. Not sure of the dates on these so wonder who ripped off
          > who, John English or Gordin Varney? Roger Aultman
          >
          >
          > Don
          > Are these car sides heavies or lightweights? I just discovered a Card
          > sided
          > passenger car that has the exact same pattern as the English metal cast
          > and
          > Penn Line plastic molded coaches. The trucks on this car do say Varney on
          > them and there were two blocks just like on the underside of the Penn line
          > floor molding. So my question is? was this card side coach a Varney side?
          > It seems to have seat inside also.
          >
          > Thanks,
          >
          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
          > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
          >
          >
          >
          >
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          Group: vintageHO Message: 4772 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/5/2008
          Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Roger Aultman" <raul@...>
          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:54 PM
          Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?


          > This subject made me dig through my JE/Hobbyline box. I found two
          > combines
          > one plastic and one metal also have a card sided one that Don had
          > identified
          > as a Varney a while back. It was received as a Varney and had six wheel
          > trucks marked Varney, I though four wheelers would be look better so put a
          > Walther set on. Not sure of the dates on these so wonder who ripped off
          > who, John English or Gordin Varney? Roger Aultman
          >
          >
          > Don
          > Are these car sides heavies or lightweights? I just discovered a Card
          > sided
          > passenger car that has the exact same pattern as the English metal cast
          > and
          > Penn Line plastic molded coaches. The trucks on this car do say Varney on
          > them and there were two blocks just like on the underside of the Penn line
          > floor molding. So my question is? was this card side coach a Varney side?
          > It seems to have seat inside also.
          >
          > Thanks,

          I don't know when the Varney was introduced, but it is in my 1948 catalog,
          so it was before that date. When did English start production?

          FWIW I have a couple more pairs of sides for the combine if anyone is
          interested.

          Don

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          Group: vintageHO Message: 4773 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/5/2008
          Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
          In the later production era, plastics and trainset dominated--it often
          seemed that the manufacturers were passing the dies around--actually
          probably were producing for each other--I know of a couple of brands that
          had recognizable Varney F-3 shells--gj
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:05 PM
          Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?


          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "Roger Aultman" <raul@...>
          > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:54 PM
          > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
          >
          >
          >> This subject made me dig through my JE/Hobbyline box. I found two
          >> combines
          >> one plastic and one metal also have a card sided one that Don had
          >> identified
          >> as a Varney a while back. It was received as a Varney and had six wheel
          >> trucks marked Varney, I though four wheelers would be look better so put
          >> a
          >> Walther set on. Not sure of the dates on these so wonder who ripped off
          >> who, John English or Gordin Varney? Roger Aultman
          >>
          >>
          >> Don
          >> Are these car sides heavies or lightweights? I just discovered a Card
          >> sided
          >> passenger car that has the exact same pattern as the English metal cast
          >> and
          >> Penn Line plastic molded coaches. The trucks on this car do say Varney
          >> on
          >> them and there were two blocks just like on the underside of the Penn
          >> line
          >> floor molding. So my question is? was this card side coach a Varney
          >> side?
          >> It seems to have seat inside also.
          >>
          >> Thanks,
          >
          > I don't know when the Varney was introduced, but it is in my 1948 catalog,
          > so it was before that date. When did English start production?
          >
          > FWIW I have a couple more pairs of sides for the combine if anyone is
          > interested.
          >
          > Don
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          Group: vintageHO Message: 4774 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
          Subject: Varney Coach
          Attachments :

            Thanks all, for the responses.  I have attached two photos of the car.  The end door way is not open.

             

            Take care,

             

            Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

             


            I don't know when the Varney was introduced, but it is in my 1948 catalog,
            so it was before that date. When did English start production?

            FWIW I have a couple more pairs of sides for the combine if anyone is
            interested.

            Don

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            Group: vintageHO Message: 4775 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
            Subject: Re: Varney Coach
            Attachments :
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4776 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Glenn476" <glenn476@...>
              To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:53 AM
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?


              > In the later production era, plastics and trainset dominated--it often
              > seemed that the manufacturers were passing the dies around--actually
              > probably were producing for each other--I know of a couple of brands that
              > had recognizable Varney F-3 shells--gj

              Was the Gilbert F-3 a Varney? I've often wondered if the Penn Line F-7 was
              from Athearn (although the windshields were opened up a little more, more
              "square cornered"). The Revell one is slightly different. I had one I
              thought was a Globe until I got another that was definitely Revell (still on
              the original unsalvagable Revell drive).

              Don

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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4777 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: Varney Coach

              Yes, that is the car.

              Thanks,

              Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

               

              From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Don Dellmann
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:15 AM
              To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Varney Coach

               

              Compare yours to this one.  This IS a Varney (I have the box an identical unassembled kit came in, and some more sides)

               

              Don

               

              ----- Original Message -----

              From: Chuck Higdon

              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:02 AM

              Subject: [vintageHO] Varney Coach

               

              Thanks all, for the responses.  I have attached two photos of the car.  The end door way is not open.

               

              Take care,

               

              Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104

               


              I don't know when the Varney was introduced, but it is in my 1948 catalog,
              so it was before that date. When did English start production?

              FWIW I have a couple more pairs of sides for the combine if anyone is
              interested.

              Don

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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4778 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

              Penn Line used two different F-7 shells, first the Globe/Athearn on the Fleishman style chassis.  The slanted motor on the chassis over the front truck and the spring drive to just the rear truck.  Then one with shorter ladders with the motor over/on the rear truck and the universal thought the fuel tank to the front truck.

               

              Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

               

              From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Don Dellmann
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:23 AM
              To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

               


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Glenn476" <glenn476@4fast. net>
              To: <vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com>
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:53 AM
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

              > In the later production era, plastics and trainset dominated--it often
              > seemed that the manufacturers were passing the dies around--actually
              > probably were producing for each other--I know of a couple of brands that
              > had recognizable Varney F-3 shells--gj

              Was the Gilbert F-3 a Varney? I've often wondered if the Penn Line F-7 was
              from Athearn (although the windshields were opened up a little more, more
              "square cornered"). The Revell one is slightly different. I had one I
              thought was a Globe until I got another that was definitely Revell (still on
              the original unsalvagable Revell drive).

              Don

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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4779 From: railwaymodeler Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              I have seven Penn Line F7 bodies. Mind, the bodies only, and I found
              they fit perfectly on an Athearn frame. All I needed to do was to open
              the pilot coupler door a bit to let the Athearn frame-mount coupler
              through. Seems that Penn Line had pilot mounted X2F Horn Hooks attached.

              Yeah, got seven Penn Line F7 bodies and 17 coach bodies on eBay around
              Christmas, been making my own frames out of Evergreen Styrene for the
              cars that are missing them (All plastic coaches) and repainting when
              needed.

              -Steve

              --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...> wrote:
              >
              > Penn Line used two different F-7 shells, first the Globe/Athearn on the
              > Fleishman style chassis. The slanted motor on the chassis over the
              front
              > truck and the spring drive to just the rear truck. Then one with
              shorter
              > ladders with the motor over/on the rear truck and the universal
              thought the
              > fuel tank to the front truck.
              >
              >
              >
              > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
              >
              >
              >
              > _____
              >
              > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
              On Behalf
              > Of Don Dellmann
              > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:23 AM
              > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Glenn476" <glenn476@4fast. <mailto:glenn476%404fast.net> net>
              > To: <vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com>
              > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:53 AM
              > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              >
              > > In the later production era, plastics and trainset dominated--it often
              > > seemed that the manufacturers were passing the dies around--actually
              > > probably were producing for each other--I know of a couple of
              brands that
              > > had recognizable Varney F-3 shells--gj
              >
              > Was the Gilbert F-3 a Varney? I've often wondered if the Penn Line
              F-7 was
              > from Athearn (although the windshields were opened up a little more,
              more
              > "square cornered"). The Revell one is slightly different. I had one I
              > thought was a Globe until I got another that was definitely Revell
              (still on
              >
              > the original unsalvagable Revell drive).
              >
              > Don
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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4780 From: erieberk@wmconnect.com Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
              Chuck,  Okay, Let's start with Pacific HO/ Silver Streak.  I was about to write you about making things easier this time, that's why I chose this, but as you can see, its taken me a couple of days to get it all straightened out.  There will be some numbers missing as I never bought any of the Hart Gondolas, since they didn't fit in with my layout.  I never bought all the cabooses either, since again, I had no use for most of the other caboose roads on my Northeast scene.  I'll also be including the Walthers Silver Streak releases from after they took over.  Unlike Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff, Walthers at least continued in the same series numbers for the particular car type, after the end of Pacific HO's series' numbers for a group.  Will include Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff at the very end, showing kit numbers and roadnames only if you think its helpful.   Many of their kit numbers for their line of Silver Streak road names were already previously used for OTHER road names put out by Pacific HO and Walthers Silver Streak, making their kit numbers conflicting and confusing.    

              After this, I thought we could also do an update spread sheet on the Globe numbers, if you'd like to, many of which Garry provided last March.  In checking back just now, I can't find where my additional numbers were ever added to the listing, as I can't find anything to that effect in the archives -- could just be me though, in not being able to find it, but otherwise we could use something more complete.  Later,  Ray
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4781 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
              Hi Ray,

              UR right, I have not updated any Globe numbers.  I'm not sure I have the email with the updates.

              Not real easy to do.  The spread sheet contains: Athearn, Globe, International, Mantua, MDC, Pacific Pike, Silver Streak (metal Tanks), Thomas (tank cars), Ulrich, & Varney.  The list is my observations and inventor.  What I post is a sanitized version of this list.

              Adding a number can be a problem.  I try to keep the numbers in sequence (try is to operative word).  Adding and sorting the number is not a big problem, but keeping my inventory is a problem.  I use colors as an inventory control and the colors do not sort.  i.e. the data sorts not the cell format with the data; maybe not the best method to control inventory.

              Garry Spear

              On 1/6/08, erieberk@... <erieberk@... > wrote:

              Chuck,  Okay, Let's start with Pacific HO/ Silver Streak.  I was about to write you about making things easier this time, that's why I chose this, but as you can see, its taken me a couple of days to get it all straightened out.  There will be some numbers missing as I never bought any of the Hart Gondolas, since they didn't fit in with my layout.  I never bought all the cabooses either, since again, I had no use for most of the other caboose roads on my Northeast scene.  I'll also be including the Walthers Silver Streak releases from after they took over.  Unlike Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff, Walthers at least continued in the same series numbers for the particular car type, after the end of Pacific HO's series' numbers for a group.  Will include Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff at the very end, showing kit numbers and roadnames only if you think its helpful.   Many of their kit numbers for their line of Silver Streak road names were already previously used for OTHER road names put out by Pacific HO and Walthers Silver Streak, making their kit numbers conflicting and confusing.    

              After this, I thought we could also do an update spread sheet on the Globe numbers, if you'd like to, many of which Garry provided last March.  In checking back just now, I can't find where my additional numbers were ever added to the listing, as I can't find anything to that effect in the archives -- could just be me though, in not being able to find it, but otherwise we could use something more complete.  Later,  Ray


              Group: vintageHO Message: 4782 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              I have a November 1948 MR where JE was advertsiing the consolodation
              castings.
              Roger Aultman




              I don't know when the Varney was introduced, but it is in my 1948 catalog,
              so it was before that date. When did English start production?

              FWIW I have a couple more pairs of sides for the combine if anyone is
              interested.

              Don

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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4783 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

              Ray,

              I suppose that I could just work form a Walthers Catalog from 1989 or so.  I think that is my oldest, which would start things for the file.  In the format of the MDC cars, unless someone has a suggestion on the format.  I have no info on Globe, so can’t do anything with out your help on that.

               

              Take care,

               

              Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

               

              From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk@...
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:42 PM
              To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

               

              Chuck,  Okay, Let's start with Pacific HO/ Silver Streak.  I was about to write you about making things easier this time, that's why I chose this, but as you can see, its taken me a couple of days to get it all straightened out.  There will be some numbers missing as I never bought any of the Hart Gondolas, since they didn't fit in with my layout.  I never bought all the cabooses either, since again, I had no use for most of the other caboose roads on my Northeast scene.  I'll also be including the Walthers Silver Streak releases from after they took over.  Unlike Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff, Walthers at least continued in the same series numbers for the particular car type, after the end of Pacific HO's series' numbers for a group.  Will include Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff at the very end, showing kit numbers and roadnames only if you think its helpful.   Many of their kit numbers for their line of Silver Streak road names were already previously used for OTHER road names put out by Pacific HO and Walthers Silver Streak, making their kit numbers conflicting and confusing.    

              After this, I thought we could also do an update spread sheet on the Globe numbers, if you'd like to, many of which Garry provided last March.  In checking back just now, I can't find where my additional numbers were ever added to the listing, as I can't find anything to that effect in the archives -- could just be me though, in not being able to find it, but otherwise we could use something more complete.  Later,  Ray

              Group: vintageHO Message: 4784 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
              Alright Chuck, Here it goes with Pacific HO -- Silver Streak.

              Note (1), all box cars are painted bnox car red unless otherwise
              stated.
              Note (2), all cabooses are painted caboose red unless otherwise
              stated.
              Note (3), all caboose kit numbers in the #100 series range starting
              after #121 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              Note (4), all box car kit numbers in the #200 number series range
              starting after #220 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              Note (5), all auto car kit numbers in the #300 number series range
              starting after #303 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              Note (6), all reefer kit numbers in the #400 number series starting
              after #419 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              Note (7), all hart gondola kit numbers in the #500 number series
              range starting after #506 are Walthers Silver Streak.


              PACIFIC HO

              Standard Caboose

              Kit Number Roadname/Remarks Road (reporting) Number Color

              #103 Unlettered 28' None

              #104 Unlettered 30'
              None
              #110 SP Box Car Red

              #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer Yellow

              #112 B&O 28'

              #113 GN 24'

              #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183 Silver

              #116 SP (Bay Window) Box Car Red

              #117 Unlettered (Bay Window) Box Car Red

              #118 Pacific Electric (no Cupola)

              #119 Unlettered 34' (no Cupola)

              #120 ERIE (Truss Rod) 04956

              #121 Unlettered None

              #122 MILW (Bay Window) 0255 Silver

              #123 ATSF (Truss Rod) Box Car Red

              #124 CB&Q Box Car Red

              #125 SOU (Truss Rod) X-3349

              #126 C&NW

              #127 C&O A-616


              Drovers and Combination Caboose

              #107 MP 32' Box Car Red

              #108 Unlettered 34' Reefer Yellow

              #131 CB&Q 3928 Box Car Red

              #132 Sierra RR Box Car Red

              #133 Pacific Lumber 78


              4-Wheel Bobber Caboose

              #175 Unlettered

              #176 EJ&E 30 Reefer Yellow

              #177 DL&W 508 Box Car Red

              #178 MA & PA 2005

              #179 WM 2216

              #180 PRR 485497 Box Car Red

              #181 NYC 17005 Box Car Red

              #182 L&NE 511

              #183 B&O C-1775

              #184 MILW 0478 Box Car Red

              #185 RDG 90258

              #186 GN X-94

              #187 SOU X 421


              Please feel free to make any additions or corrections, as needed.
              We'll see what this looks like on your end first before I send more.
              Best, Ray Wetzel



              --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Ray,
              >
              > With regards to the other list, it makes no difference to me. It
              sounds
              > like you have many lists, so just send me one and when it is done,
              send
              > another. I will post them at the site and others can help to fill
              in any
              > blanks. The MDC one worked well. I sure we will learn a lot when
              this is
              > father along.
              >
              >
              >
              > Take care,
              >
              >
              >
              > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
              >
              >
              >
              > _____
              >
              > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
              On Behalf
              > Of erieberk
              > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:10 AM
              > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              >
              >
              >
              > Chuck, Now that we have Garry's metal Athearn listing. I'm no
              longer
              > needing to send you that, which saves us both a lot of work (thanks
              > again, Garry). I'll check this Athearn list out in the Files
              Section
              > to look it over for possible omissions and/or corrections. I know
              > even the extensive list I have is not complete, as I've seen
              > suspected (but previously unconfirmed) new numbers on eBay
              offerings
              > of these cars which were never verified before. I've tried
              following
              > the Athearn metal eBay listings for possible new numbers, but found
              > it impossible to keep tabs on every listing.
              >
              > Now, as for these others, the info from any of them is no problem.
              I
              > can supply you with most of it, having complete or near-complete
              > collections of most (yeah, I'm a pack rat, big time, LOL). Let me
              > know where you want to start. If I don't have it written down, this
              > will give me a good excuse to go digging. As for the manufacturers
              > of which my collection is not quite complete, maybe the rest of the
              > interested members will be able to contribute numbers. BCNU, Ray W.
              >
              > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              ps.com,
              > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > Ray,
              > >
              > > For the others, I certainly can do something in format, the
              Athearn
              > style of
              > > Garry's or the MDC style. But I have almost no info on the makers
              > listed,
              > > so would need much input.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Take care,
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
              > webshots.com/user/lordon104
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > _____
              > >
              > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              ps.com
              > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              ps.com]
              > On Behalf
              > > Of erieberk
              > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:51 AM
              > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              ps.com
              > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal,
              the
              > > same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back
              in
              > > October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we
              should
              > > start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738(?)
              > or
              > > so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
              > > different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more
              than
              > > the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?
              > >
              > > I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
              > > reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered manufacturers'
              > > lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney,
              > Laconia,
              > > Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or
              any
              > > others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
              > > reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when
              they
              > > changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still retained
              > all
              > > the same reporting numbers for these same road names.
              > >
              > > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread sheets
              > are
              > > completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers
              > which
              > > did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would
              > still
              > > help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
              > > somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
              > > Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C Models,
              L-
              > W
              > > Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada, Ideal
              or
              > > any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists would
              > > take me more time though; since they only had one reporting
              number
              > > and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered writing
              > them
              > > down so would have to go all back through the collection to find
              > that
              > > data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).
              > >
              > > Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel
              > >
              > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com,
              > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > > wrote:
              > > >
              > > > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel
              sheet
              > > together
              > > > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
              > > reporting
              > > > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
              > > >
              > > > Take care,
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > > http://community. <http://community.
              > <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
              webshots.com/user/lordon104>
              > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > _____
              > > >
              > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com
              > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com]
              > > On Behalf
              > > > Of erieberk
              > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
              > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com
              > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-
              178)
              > > car
              > > > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor only).
              > > > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to, and
              > > > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
              > > reporting
              > > > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known
              > THIRTEEN
              > > > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check out
              > the
              > > > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least
              answer
              > > > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New
              Year
              > > > too. Ray W.
              > > >
              > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > ps.com,
              > > > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
              > > > confirm that
              > > > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal²
              > version
              > > > (with
              > > > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which the
              > > metal
              > > > parts are
              > > > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof? Of
              > the
              > > > twelve
              > > > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across
              ³all
              > > > metal²
              > > > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is
              > that
              > > > it¹s out
              > > > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me
              for
              > > > sure.
              > > > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Lou G.
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40' single-
              > door
              > > > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been
              confirmed
              > > > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a
              couple
              > of
              > > > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn production
              > > runs.
              > > > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars;
              #A-
              > > 301
              > > > PRR
              > > > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
              > numbers),
              > > A-
              > > > 303
              > > > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5 reporting
              > > > numbers).
              > > > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the SAL's
              > and
              > > 4
              > > > of
              > > > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
              > Athearns,
              > > > but
              > > > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              > 40yahoogroups.com>
              > > ps.com
              > > > <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
              > > > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
              > > > > > wrote:
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
              > > > have "kitbashed" it
              > > > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> > Don
              > > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
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              > > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
              > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> >
              > > > > >> > Don
              > > > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in the
              > > > early
              > > > > > 50s.
              > > > > >> > Jay
              > > > > >> >
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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4785 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: Varney Coach
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4786 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              I had a Gilbert F3A that was definitely Varney. Back in 1959--gj
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
              To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:22 AM
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?


              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Glenn476" <glenn476@...>
              > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:53 AM
              > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              >
              >
              >> In the later production era, plastics and trainset dominated--it often
              >> seemed that the manufacturers were passing the dies around--actually
              >> probably were producing for each other--I know of a couple of brands that
              >> had recognizable Varney F-3 shells--gj
              >
              > Was the Gilbert F-3 a Varney? I've often wondered if the Penn Line F-7
              > was
              > from Athearn (although the windshields were opened up a little more, more
              > "square cornered"). The Revell one is slightly different. I had one I
              > thought was a Globe until I got another that was definitely Revell (still
              > on
              > the original unsalvagable Revell drive).
              >
              > Don
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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4787 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
              Alright, looks okay from here. Hope you can figure it out okay. I
              see in the email that all the lines condensed to the left instead of
              having the additional spacing I put in between everything to form
              columns under all the headings, and the "None" under #104 should be
              up on the same line. . . and there's no such color as "bnox car red"
              (LOL). Any questions, just let me know. Ray


              --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
              >
              > Alright Chuck, Here it goes with Pacific HO -- Silver Streak.
              >
              > Note (1), all box cars are painted bnox car red unless otherwise
              > stated.
              > Note (2), all cabooses are painted caboose red unless otherwise
              > stated.
              > Note (3), all caboose kit numbers in the #100 series range starting
              > after #121 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (4), all box car kit numbers in the #200 number series range
              > starting after #220 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (5), all auto car kit numbers in the #300 number series range
              > starting after #303 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (6), all reefer kit numbers in the #400 number series starting
              > after #419 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (7), all hart gondola kit numbers in the #500 number series
              > range starting after #506 are Walthers Silver Streak.
              >
              >
              > PACIFIC HO
              >
              > Standard Caboose
              >
              > Kit Number Roadname/Remarks Road (reporting) Number Color
              >
              > #103 Unlettered 28'
              None
              >
              > #104 Unlettered 30'
              > None
              > #110 SP Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer
              Yellow
              >
              > #112 B&O
              28'
              >
              > #113 GN
              24'
              >
              > #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183
              Silver
              >
              > #116 SP (Bay Window) Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #117 Unlettered (Bay Window) Box Car Red
              >
              > #118 Pacific Electric (no
              Cupola)
              >
              > #119 Unlettered 34' (no
              Cupola)
              >
              > #120 ERIE (Truss Rod)
              04956
              >
              > #121 Unlettered
              None
              >
              > #122 MILW (Bay Window) 0255
              Silver
              >
              > #123 ATSF (Truss Rod) Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #124 CB&Q Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #125 SOU (Truss Rod) X-
              3349
              >
              > #126
              C&NW
              >
              > #127 C&O A-
              616
              >
              >
              > Drovers and Combination
              Caboose
              >
              > #107 MP 32' Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #108 Unlettered 34' Reefer
              Yellow
              >
              > #131 CB&Q 3928 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #132 Sierra RR Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #133 Pacific Lumber
              78
              >
              >
              > 4-Wheel Bobber
              Caboose
              >
              > #175
              Unlettered
              >
              > #176 EJ&E 30 Reefer
              Yellow
              >
              > #177 DL&W 508 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #178 MA & PA
              2005
              >
              > #179 WM
              2216
              >
              > #180 PRR 485497 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #181 NYC 17005 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #182 L&NE
              511
              >
              > #183 B&O C-
              1775
              >
              > #184 MILW 0478 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #185 RDG
              90258
              >
              > #186 GN X-
              94
              >
              > #187 SOU X
              421
              >
              >
              > Please feel free to make any additions or corrections, as needed.
              > We'll see what this looks like on your end first before I send
              more.
              > Best, Ray Wetzel
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > Ray,
              > >
              > > With regards to the other list, it makes no difference to me. It
              > sounds
              > > like you have many lists, so just send me one and when it is
              done,
              > send
              > > another. I will post them at the site and others can help to
              fill
              > in any
              > > blanks. The MDC one worked well. I sure we will learn a lot
              when
              > this is
              > > father along.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Take care,
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > _____
              > >
              > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
              > On Behalf
              > > Of erieberk
              > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:10 AM
              > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Chuck, Now that we have Garry's metal Athearn listing. I'm no
              > longer
              > > needing to send you that, which saves us both a lot of work
              (thanks
              > > again, Garry). I'll check this Athearn list out in the Files
              > Section
              > > to look it over for possible omissions and/or corrections. I know
              > > even the extensive list I have is not complete, as I've seen
              > > suspected (but previously unconfirmed) new numbers on eBay
              > offerings
              > > of these cars which were never verified before. I've tried
              > following
              > > the Athearn metal eBay listings for possible new numbers, but
              found
              > > it impossible to keep tabs on every listing.
              > >
              > > Now, as for these others, the info from any of them is no
              problem.
              > I
              > > can supply you with most of it, having complete or near-complete
              > > collections of most (yeah, I'm a pack rat, big time, LOL). Let me
              > > know where you want to start. If I don't have it written down,
              this
              > > will give me a good excuse to go digging. As for the
              manufacturers
              > > of which my collection is not quite complete, maybe the rest of
              the
              > > interested members will be able to contribute numbers. BCNU, Ray
              W.
              > >
              > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com,
              > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > > wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Ray,
              > > >
              > > > For the others, I certainly can do something in format, the
              > Athearn
              > > style of
              > > > Garry's or the MDC style. But I have almost no info on the
              makers
              > > listed,
              > > > so would need much input.
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Take care,
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
              > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > _____
              > > >
              > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com
              > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com]
              > > On Behalf
              > > > Of erieberk
              > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:51 AM
              > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com
              > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal,
              > the
              > > > same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back
              > in
              > > > October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we
              > should
              > > > start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738
              (?)
              > > or
              > > > so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
              > > > different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more
              > than
              > > > the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?
              > > >
              > > > I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
              > > > reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered
              manufacturers'
              > > > lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney,
              > > Laconia,
              > > > Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or
              > any
              > > > others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
              > > > reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when
              > they
              > > > changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still
              retained
              > > all
              > > > the same reporting numbers for these same road names.
              > > >
              > > > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread
              sheets
              > > are
              > > > completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers
              > > which
              > > > did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would
              > > still
              > > > help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
              > > > somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
              > > > Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C
              Models,
              > L-
              > > W
              > > > Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada,
              Ideal
              > or
              > > > any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists
              would
              > > > take me more time though; since they only had one reporting
              > number
              > > > and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered
              writing
              > > them
              > > > down so would have to go all back through the collection to
              find
              > > that
              > > > data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).
              > > >
              > > > Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel
              > > >
              > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > ps.com,
              > > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > > > wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel
              > sheet
              > > > together
              > > > > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
              > > > reporting
              > > > > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
              > > > >
              > > > > Take care,
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > > > http://community. <http://community.
              > > <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
              > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
              > > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > _____
              > > > >
              > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              40yahoogroups.com>
              > > ps.com
              > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              40yahoogroups.com>
              > > ps.com]
              > > > On Behalf
              > > > > Of erieberk
              > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
              > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > ps.com
              > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-
              > 178)
              > > > car
              > > > > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor
              only).
              > > > > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to,
              and
              > > > > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
              > > > reporting
              > > > > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known
              > > THIRTEEN
              > > > > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check
              out
              > > the
              > > > > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least
              > answer
              > > > > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New
              > Year
              > > > > too. Ray W.
              > > > >
              > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > ps.com,
              > > > > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
              > > > > confirm that
              > > > > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal²
              > > version
              > > > > (with
              > > > > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which
              the
              > > > metal
              > > > > parts are
              > > > > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof?
              Of
              > > the
              > > > > twelve
              > > > > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across
              > ³all
              > > > > metal²
              > > > > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is
              > > that
              > > > > it¹s out
              > > > > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me
              > for
              > > > > sure.
              > > > > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Lou G.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40'
              single-
              > > door
              > > > > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been
              > confirmed
              > > > > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a
              > couple
              > > of
              > > > > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn
              production
              > > > runs.
              > > > > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars;
              > #A-
              > > > 301
              > > > > PRR
              > > > > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
              > > numbers),
              > > > A-
              > > > > 303
              > > > > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5
              reporting
              > > > > numbers).
              > > > > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the
              SAL's
              > > and
              > > > 4
              > > > > of
              > > > > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
              > > Athearns,
              > > > > but
              > > > > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > 40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > ps.com
              > > > > <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
              > > > > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
              > > > > > > wrote:
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
              > > > > have "kitbashed" it
              > > > > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> > Don
              > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
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              > > > > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > 40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > ps.com
              > > > > <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
              > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> > Don
              > > > > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in
              the
              > > > > early
              > > > > > > 50s.
              > > > > > >> > Jay
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> >
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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4788 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

              Ray,

              OK, give me a few days and I’ll have something.  And like last time, it will take a few passes as sometimes my fingers go flying around and hitting those pesky wrong keys.

              Take care,

               

              Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

               

              From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:46 PM
              To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

               

              Alright, looks okay from here. Hope you can figure it out okay. I
              see in the email that all the lines condensed to the left instead of
              having the additional spacing I put in between everything to form
              columns under all the headings, and the "None" under #104 should be
              up on the same line. . . and there's no such color as "bnox car red"
              (LOL). Any questions, just let me know. Ray

              --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@.. .> wrote:

              >
              > Alright Chuck, Here it goes with Pacific HO -- Silver Streak.
              >
              > Note (1), all box cars are painted bnox car red unless otherwise
              > stated.
              > Note (2), all cabooses are painted caboose red unless otherwise
              > stated.
              > Note (3), all caboose kit numbers in the #100 series range starting
              > after #121 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (4), all box car kit numbers in the #200 number series range
              > starting after #220 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (5), all auto car kit numbers in the #300 number series range
              > starting after #303 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (6), all reefer kit numbers in the #400 number series starting
              > after #419 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (7), all hart gondola kit numbers in the #500 number series
              > range starting after #506 are Walthers Silver Streak.
              >
              >
              > PACIFIC HO
              >
              > Standard Caboose
              >
              > Kit Number Roadname/Remarks Road (reporting) Number Color
              >
              > #103 Unlettered 28'
              None
              >
              > #104 Unlettered 30'
              > None
              > #110 SP Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer
              Yellow
              >
              > #112 B&O
              28'
              >
              > #113 GN
              24'
              >
              > #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183
              Silver
              >
              > #116 SP (Bay Window) Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #117 Unlettered (Bay Window) Box Car Red
              >
              > #118 Pacific Electric (no
              Cupola)
              >
              > #119 Unlettered 34' (no
              Cupola)
              >
              > #120 ERIE
              (Truss Rod)
              04956
              >
              > #121 Unlettered
              None
              >
              > #122 MILW (Bay Window) 0255
              Silver
              >
              > #123 ATSF (Truss Rod) Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #124 CB&Q Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #125 SOU (Truss Rod) X-
              3349
              >
              > #126
              C&NW
              >
              > #127 C&O A-
              616
              >
              >
              > Drovers and Combination
              Caboose
              >
              > #107 MP 32' Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #108 Unlettered 34' Reefer
              Yellow
              >
              > #131 CB&Q 3928 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #132 Sierra RR Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #133 Pacific Lumber
              78
              >
              >
              > 4-Wheel Bobber
              Caboose
              >
              > #175
              Unlettered
              >
              > #176 EJ&E 30 Reefer
              Yellow
              >
              > #177 DL&W 508 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #178 MA & PA
              2005
              >
              > #179 WM
              2216
              >
              > #180 PRR 485497 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #181 NYC 17005 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #182 L&NE
              511
              >
              > #183 B&O C-
              1775
              >
              > #184 MILW 0478 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #185 RDG
              90258
              >
              > #186 GN X-
              94
              >
              > #187 SOU X
              421
              >
              >
              > Please feel free to make any additions or corrections, as needed.
              > We'll see what this looks like on your end first before I send
              more.
              > Best, Ray Wetzel
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com,
              "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > Ray,
              > >
              > > With regards to the other list, it makes no difference to me. It
              > sounds
              > > like you have many lists, so just send me one and when it is
              done,
              > send
              > > another. I will post them at the site and others can help to
              fill
              > in any
              > > blanks. The MDC one worked well. I sure we will learn a lot
              when
              > this is
              > > father along.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Take care,
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > _____
              > >
              > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
              [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
              > On Behalf
              > > Of erieberk
              > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:10 AM
              > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
              > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Chuck, Now that we have Garry's metal Athearn listing. I'm no
              > longer
              > > needing to send you that, which saves us both a lot of work
              (thanks
              > > again, Garry). I'll check this Athearn list out in the Files
              > Section
              > > to look it over for possible omissions and/or corrections. I know
              > > even the extensive list I have is not complete, as I've seen
              > > suspected (but previously unconfirmed) new numbers on eBay
              > offerings
              > > of these cars which were never verified before. I've tried
              > following
              > > the Athearn metal eBay listings for possible new numbers, but
              found
              > > it impossible to keep tabs on every listing.
              > >
              > > Now, as for these others, the info from any of them is no
              problem.
              > I
              > > can supply you with most of it, having complete or near-complete
              > > collections of most (yeah, I'm a pack rat, big time, LOL). Let me
              > > know where you want to start. If I don't have it written down,
              this
              > > will give me a good excuse to go digging. As for the
              manufacturers
              > > of which my collection is not quite complete, maybe the rest of
              the
              > > interested members will be able to contribute numbers. BCNU, Ray
              W.
              > >
              > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
              > ps.com,
              > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > > wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Ray,
              > > >
              > > > For the others, I certainly can do something in format, the
              > Athearn
              > > style of
              > > > Garry's or the MDC style. But I have almost no info on the
              makers
              > > listed,
              > > > so would need much input.
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Take care,
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > > http://community. <
              href="http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104">http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
              > > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > _____
              > > >
              > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
              > ps.com
              > > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
              > ps.com]
              > > On Behalf
              > > > Of erieberk
              > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:51 AM
              > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
              > ps.com
              > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal,
              > the
              > > > same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back
              > in
              > > > October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we
              > should
              > > > start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738
              (?)
              > > or
              > > > so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
              > > > different road names of all the different models -- a
              w:st="on">LOT more
              > than
              > > > the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?
              > > >
              > > > I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
              > > > reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered
              manufacturers'
              > > > lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney,
              > > Laconia ,
              > > > Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or
              > any
              > > > others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
              > > > reporting number even though in some case like Main
              Line, when
              > they
              > > > changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still
              retained
              > > all
              > > > the same reporting numbers for these same road names.
              > > >
              > > > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread
              sheets
              > > are
              > > > completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers
              > > which
              > > > did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would
              > > still
              > > > help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
              > > > somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
              > > > Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C
              Models,
              > L-
              > > W
              > > > Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of
              w:st="on"> Canada ,
              Ideal
              > or
              > > > any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists
              would
              > > > take me more time though; since they only had one reporting
              > number
              > > > and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered
              writing
              > > them
              > > > down so would have to go all back through the collection to
              find
              > > that
              > > > data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).
              > > >
              > > > Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel
              > > >
              > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
              > > ps.com,
              > > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > > > wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel
              > sheet
              > > > together
              > > > > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need
              the
              > > > reporting
              > > > > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
              > > > >
              > > > > Take care,
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > > > http://community. <
              href="http://community.">http://community.
              > > <http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
              > webshots.com/ user/lordon104>
              > > > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > _____
              > > > >
              > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              40yahoogroups. com>
              > > ps.com
              > > > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              40yahoogroups. com>
              > > ps.com]
              > > > On Behalf
              > > > > Of erieberk
              > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
              > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
              > > ps.com
              > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker
              (A-
              > 178)
              > > > car
              > > > > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor
              only).
              > > > > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to,
              and
              > > > > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
              > > > reporting
              > > > > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known
              > > THIRTEEN
              > > > > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check
              out
              > > the
              > > > > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least
              > answer
              > > > > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy
              New
              > Year
              > > > > too. Ray W.
              > > > >
              > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              40yahoogroups. com>
              > > > ps.com,
              > > > > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can
              anyone
              > > > > confirm that
              > > > > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all
              metal²
              > > version
              > > > > (with
              > > > > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in
              which
              the
              > > > metal
              > > > > parts are
              > > > > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and
              sub-roof?
              Of
              > > the
              > > > > twelve
              > > > > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come
              across
              > ³all
              > > > > metal²
              > > > > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My
              guess is
              > > that
              > > > > it¹s out
              > > > > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can
              tell me
              > for
              > > > > sure.
              > > > > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Lou G.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk"
              <erieberk@> wrote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal
              N&W 40'
              single-
              > > door
              > > > > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already
              been
              > confirmed
              > > > > > > earlier this morning by several other members
              having a
              > couple
              > > of
              > > > > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn
              production
              > > > runs.
              > > > > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for
              these cars;
              > #A-
              > > > 301
              > > > > PRR
              > > > > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8
              reporting
              > > numbers),
              > > > A-
              > > > > 303
              > > > > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W
              (in 5
              reporting
              > > > > numbers).
              > > > > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3
              of the
              SAL's
              > > and
              > > > 4
              > > > > of
              > > > > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the
              other metal
              > > Athearns,
              > > > > but
              > > > > > > these were "distinctive" . Ray W.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > 40yahoogroups. com>
              > > > ps.com
              > > > > <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > > > 40yahoogroups. com> , "Don
              > > > > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@ >
              > > > > > > wrote:
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid
              someone may
              > > > > have "kitbashed" it
              > > > > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a
              box car.
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> > Don
              > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > > >> > From: jay matz
              > > > > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou
              <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > 40yahoogroups. com>
              > > > ps.com
              > > > > <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>
              > > > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
              > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual
              Athearn?
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> > Don
              > > > > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car,
              My Dad got it in
              the
              > > > > early
              > > > > > > 50s.
              > > > > > >> > Jay
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> >
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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4789 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even though
              it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long discontinued by
              that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting numbers
              from the larger photos, if you can make them out. I should have the
              rest of this to you shortly, but not tonight. The format you used
              with the MDC would be just great. When we get to the Globe, you can
              use the info Garry was kind enough to send in and I'll fill you in on
              the rest -- or I'll just combine both lists here and send it all at
              once. Ray


              --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Ray,
              >
              > I suppose that I could just work form a Walthers Catalog from 1989
              or so. I
              > think that is my oldest, which would start things for the file. In
              the
              > format of the MDC cars, unless someone has a suggestion on the
              format. I
              > have no info on Globe, so can't do anything with out your help on
              that.
              >
              >
              >
              > Take care,
              >
              >
              >
              > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
              >
              >
              >
              > _____
              >
              > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
              On Behalf
              > Of erieberk@...
              > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:42 PM
              > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              >
              >
              >
              > Chuck, Okay, Let's start with Pacific HO/ Silver Streak. I was
              about to
              > write you about making things easier this time, that's why I chose
              this, but
              > as you can see, its taken me a couple of days to get it all
              straightened
              > out. There will be some numbers missing as I never bought any of
              the Hart
              > Gondolas, since they didn't fit in with my layout. I never bought
              all the
              > cabooses either, since again, I had no use for most of the other
              caboose
              > roads on my Northeast scene. I'll also be including the Walthers
              Silver
              > Streak releases from after they took over. Unlike Ye Olde Huff 'N
              Puff,
              > Walthers at least continued in the same series numbers for the
              particular
              > car type, after the end of Pacific HO's series' numbers for a
              group. Will
              > include Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff at the very end, showing kit numbers
              and
              > roadnames only if you think its helpful. Many of their kit
              numbers for
              > their line of Silver Streak road names were already previously used
              for
              > OTHER road names put out by Pacific HO and Walthers Silver Streak,
              making
              > their kit numbers conflicting and confusing.
              >
              > After this, I thought we could also do an update spread sheet on
              the Globe
              > numbers, if you'd like to, many of which Garry provided last
              March. In
              > checking back just now, I can't find where my additional numbers
              were ever
              > added to the listing, as I can't find anything to that effect in the
              > archives -- could just be me though, in not being able to find it,
              but
              > otherwise we could use something more complete. Later, Ray
              >
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4790 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              Roger A and Don: Varney's 2-8-0 Consolidation was in their 1941
              Catalog. I have a copy of that.

              Don L.
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4791 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              I had both the second and third variations, those were really the ones I was asking about.  The third was basically garbage, there was no frame, the trucks bolsters snapped into the ladders, puit any kind of load on it and the ladders sheared off!
               
              Don
               
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:57 AM
              Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

              Penn Line used two different F-7 shells, first the Globe/Athearn on the Fleishman style chassis.  The slanted motor on the chassis over the front truck and the spring drive to just the rear truck.  Then one with shorter ladders with the motor over/on the rear truck and the universal thought the fuel tank to the front truck.

               

              Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

               

              From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Don Dellmann
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:23 AM
              To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

               


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Glenn476" <glenn476@4fast. net>
              To: <vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com>
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:53 AM
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

              > In the later production era, plastics and trainset dominated--it often
              > seemed that the manufacturers were passing the dies around--actually
              > probably were producing for each other--I know of a couple of brands that
              > had recognizable Varney F-3 shells--gj

              Was the Gilbert F-3 a Varney? I've often wondered if the Penn Line F-7 was
              from Athearn (although the windshields were opened up a little more, more
              "square cornered"). The Revell one is slightly different. I had one I
              thought was a Globe until I got another that was definitely Revell (still on
              the original unsalvagable Revell drive).

              Don

              don.dellmann@ prodigy.net
              http://www.geocitie s.com/don_ dellmann
              Owner-Moderator
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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4792 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
              To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:58 PM
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?


              > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even though
              > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long discontinued by
              > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting numbers
              > from the larger photos, if you can make them out. I should have the
              > rest of this to you shortly, but not tonight. The format you used
              > with the MDC would be just great. When we get to the Globe, you can
              > use the info Garry was kind enough to send in and I'll fill you in on
              > the rest -- or I'll just combine both lists here and send it all at
              > once. Ray

              If it's any help, I have Walthers catalogs back to about 1969 which would be
              the Pacific HO numbers.

              Don
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4793 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              Were the 60' "day coach" and combine in the '41 book?

              Don
              don.dellmann@...
              http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
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              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
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              ----- Original Message -----
              From: <DLeistikow@...>
              To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:43 PM
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?


              > Roger A and Don: Varney's 2-8-0 Consolidation was in their 1941
              > Catalog. I have a copy of that.
              >
              > Don L.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4794 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
              Hello,

              This email message is a notification to let you know that
              a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the vintageHO
              group.

              File : /V List Silver Streak cars.xls
              Uploaded by : chuckie208755 <vze5crrw1@...>
              Description : List of Pacific HO and Silver Streak HO car kits

              You can access this file at the URL:
              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO/files/V%20List%20Silver%20Streak%20cars.xls

              To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
              http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles

              Regards,

              chuckie208755 <vze5crrw1@...>
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4795 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

              Well I have put the file up for the Pacific HO and Silver Streak cars.  Let me know how it looks.

               

              Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

               

              From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Don Dellmann
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:04 PM
              To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

               


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "erieberk" <erieberk@wmconnect. com>
              To: <vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com>
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:58 PM
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

              > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even though
              > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long discontinued by
              > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting numbers
              > from the larger photos, if you can make them out. I should have the
              > rest of this to you shortly, but not tonight. The format you used
              > with the MDC would be just great. When we get to the Globe, you can
              > use the info Garry was kind enough to send in and I'll fill you in on
              > the rest -- or I'll just combine both lists here and send it all at
              > once. Ray

              If it's any help, I have Walthers catalogs back to about 1969 which would be
              the Pacific HO numbers.

              Don

              Group: vintageHO Message: 4796 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn

              I am pretty sure, but I can’t prove it that the Athearn one was in fact from Athearn.  I thought the third one with the short ladders was their own.  Both of them zoomed around the layout quite fast.

               

              Take care,

               

              Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

               

              From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Don Dellmann
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:02 PM
              To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

               

              I had both the second and third variations, those were really the ones I was asking about.  The third was basically garbage, there was no frame, the trucks bolsters snapped into the ladders, puit any kind of load on it and the ladders sheared off!

               

              Don

               

              ----- Original Message -----

              From: Chuck Higdon

              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:57 AM

              Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

               

              Penn Line used two different F-7 shells, first the Globe/Athearn on the Fleishman style chassis.  The slanted motor on the chassis over the front truck and the spring drive to just the rear truck.  Then one with shorter ladders with the motor over/on the rear truck and the universal thought the fuel tank to the front truck.

               

              Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104

               

              From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com ] On Behalf Of Don Dellmann
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:23 AM
              To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

               


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Glenn476" <glenn476@4fast. net>
              To: <vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com>
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:53 AM
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?

              > In the later production era, plastics and trainset dominated--it often
              > seemed that the manufacturers were passing the dies around--actually
              > probably were producing for each other--I know of a couple of brands that
              > had recognizable Varney F-3 shells--gj

              Was the Gilbert F-3 a Varney? I've often wondered if the Penn Line F-7 was
              from Athearn (although the windshields were opened up a little more, more
              "square cornered"). The Revell one is slightly different. I had one I
              thought was a Globe until I got another that was definitely Revell (still on
              the original unsalvagable Revell drive).

              Don

              don.dellmann@ prodigy.net
              http://www.geocitie s.com/don_ dellmann
              Owner-Moderator
              http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/MRPics
              http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vintageHO
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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4797 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
              so what color do I paint my bnox cars?
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
              To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:45 PM
              Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?


              Alright, looks okay from here. Hope you can figure it out okay. I
              see in the email that all the lines condensed to the left instead of
              having the additional spacing I put in between everything to form
              columns under all the headings, and the "None" under #104 should be
              up on the same line. . . and there's no such color as "bnox car red"
              (LOL). Any questions, just let me know. Ray


              --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
              >
              > Alright Chuck, Here it goes with Pacific HO -- Silver Streak.
              >
              > Note (1), all box cars are painted bnox car red unless otherwise
              > stated.
              > Note (2), all cabooses are painted caboose red unless otherwise
              > stated.
              > Note (3), all caboose kit numbers in the #100 series range starting
              > after #121 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (4), all box car kit numbers in the #200 number series range
              > starting after #220 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (5), all auto car kit numbers in the #300 number series range
              > starting after #303 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (6), all reefer kit numbers in the #400 number series starting
              > after #419 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
              > Note (7), all hart gondola kit numbers in the #500 number series
              > range starting after #506 are Walthers Silver Streak.
              >
              >
              > PACIFIC HO
              >
              > Standard Caboose
              >
              > Kit Number Roadname/Remarks Road (reporting) Number Color
              >
              > #103 Unlettered 28'
              None
              >
              > #104 Unlettered 30'
              > None
              > #110 SP Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer
              Yellow
              >
              > #112 B&O
              28'
              >
              > #113 GN
              24'
              >
              > #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183
              Silver
              >
              > #116 SP (Bay Window) Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #117 Unlettered (Bay Window) Box Car Red
              >
              > #118 Pacific Electric (no
              Cupola)
              >
              > #119 Unlettered 34' (no
              Cupola)
              >
              > #120 ERIE (Truss Rod)
              04956
              >
              > #121 Unlettered
              None
              >
              > #122 MILW (Bay Window) 0255
              Silver
              >
              > #123 ATSF (Truss Rod) Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #124 CB&Q Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #125 SOU (Truss Rod) X-
              3349
              >
              > #126
              C&NW
              >
              > #127 C&O A-
              616
              >
              >
              > Drovers and Combination
              Caboose
              >
              > #107 MP 32' Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #108 Unlettered 34' Reefer
              Yellow
              >
              > #131 CB&Q 3928 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #132 Sierra RR Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #133 Pacific Lumber
              78
              >
              >
              > 4-Wheel Bobber
              Caboose
              >
              > #175
              Unlettered
              >
              > #176 EJ&E 30 Reefer
              Yellow
              >
              > #177 DL&W 508 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #178 MA & PA
              2005
              >
              > #179 WM
              2216
              >
              > #180 PRR 485497 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #181 NYC 17005 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #182 L&NE
              511
              >
              > #183 B&O C-
              1775
              >
              > #184 MILW 0478 Box Car
              Red
              >
              > #185 RDG
              90258
              >
              > #186 GN X-
              94
              >
              > #187 SOU X
              421
              >
              >
              > Please feel free to make any additions or corrections, as needed.
              > We'll see what this looks like on your end first before I send
              more.
              > Best, Ray Wetzel
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > Ray,
              > >
              > > With regards to the other list, it makes no difference to me. It
              > sounds
              > > like you have many lists, so just send me one and when it is
              done,
              > send
              > > another. I will post them at the site and others can help to
              fill
              > in any
              > > blanks. The MDC one worked well. I sure we will learn a lot
              when
              > this is
              > > father along.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Take care,
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > _____
              > >
              > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
              > On Behalf
              > > Of erieberk
              > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:10 AM
              > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
              > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Chuck, Now that we have Garry's metal Athearn listing. I'm no
              > longer
              > > needing to send you that, which saves us both a lot of work
              (thanks
              > > again, Garry). I'll check this Athearn list out in the Files
              > Section
              > > to look it over for possible omissions and/or corrections. I know
              > > even the extensive list I have is not complete, as I've seen
              > > suspected (but previously unconfirmed) new numbers on eBay
              > offerings
              > > of these cars which were never verified before. I've tried
              > following
              > > the Athearn metal eBay listings for possible new numbers, but
              found
              > > it impossible to keep tabs on every listing.
              > >
              > > Now, as for these others, the info from any of them is no
              problem.
              > I
              > > can supply you with most of it, having complete or near-complete
              > > collections of most (yeah, I'm a pack rat, big time, LOL). Let me
              > > know where you want to start. If I don't have it written down,
              this
              > > will give me a good excuse to go digging. As for the
              manufacturers
              > > of which my collection is not quite complete, maybe the rest of
              the
              > > interested members will be able to contribute numbers. BCNU, Ray
              W.
              > >
              > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com,
              > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > > wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Ray,
              > > >
              > > > For the others, I certainly can do something in format, the
              > Athearn
              > > style of
              > > > Garry's or the MDC style. But I have almost no info on the
              makers
              > > listed,
              > > > so would need much input.
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Take care,
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
              > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > _____
              > > >
              > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com
              > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com]
              > > On Behalf
              > > > Of erieberk
              > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:51 AM
              > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > ps.com
              > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn metal,
              > the
              > > > same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse back
              > in
              > > > October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we
              > should
              > > > start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738
              (?)
              > > or
              > > > so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
              > > > different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more
              > than
              > > > the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?
              > > >
              > > > I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
              > > > reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered
              manufacturers'
              > > > lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney,
              > > Laconia,
              > > > Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or
              > any
              > > > others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
              > > > reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when
              > they
              > > > changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still
              retained
              > > all
              > > > the same reporting numbers for these same road names.
              > > >
              > > > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread
              sheets
              > > are
              > > > completed, you might want to consider doing those manufacturers
              > > which
              > > > did only one reporting number for their road names, as it would
              > > still
              > > > help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
              > > > somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
              > > > Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C
              Models,
              > L-
              > > W
              > > > Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada,
              Ideal
              > or
              > > > any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists
              would
              > > > take me more time though; since they only had one reporting
              > number
              > > > and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered
              writing
              > > them
              > > > down so would have to go all back through the collection to
              find
              > > that
              > > > data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy - LOL).
              > > >
              > > > Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel
              > > >
              > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > ps.com,
              > > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
              > > > wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel
              > sheet
              > > > together
              > > > > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
              > > > reporting
              > > > > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
              > > > >
              > > > > Take care,
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
              > > > > http://community. <http://community.
              > > <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
              > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
              > > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > _____
              > > > >
              > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              40yahoogroups.com>
              > > ps.com
              > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              40yahoogroups.com>
              > > ps.com]
              > > > On Behalf
              > > > > Of erieberk
              > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
              > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > ps.com
              > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-
              > 178)
              > > > car
              > > > > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor
              only).
              > > > > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to,
              and
              > > > > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
              > > > reporting
              > > > > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known
              > > THIRTEEN
              > > > > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check
              out
              > > the
              > > > > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least
              > answer
              > > > > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New
              > Year
              > > > > too. Ray W.
              > > > >
              > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > ps.com,
              > > > > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
              > > > > confirm that
              > > > > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal²
              > > version
              > > > > (with
              > > > > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which
              the
              > > > metal
              > > > > parts are
              > > > > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof?
              Of
              > > the
              > > > > twelve
              > > > > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across
              > ³all
              > > > > metal²
              > > > > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess is
              > > that
              > > > > it¹s out
              > > > > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell me
              > for
              > > > > sure.
              > > > > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Lou G.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40'
              single-
              > > door
              > > > > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been
              > confirmed
              > > > > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a
              > couple
              > > of
              > > > > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn
              production
              > > > runs.
              > > > > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these cars;
              > #A-
              > > > 301
              > > > > PRR
              > > > > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
              > > numbers),
              > > > A-
              > > > > 303
              > > > > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5
              reporting
              > > > > numbers).
              > > > > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the
              SAL's
              > > and
              > > > 4
              > > > > of
              > > > > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
              > > Athearns,
              > > > > but
              > > > > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > 40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > ps.com
              > > > > <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
              > > > > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
              > > > > > > wrote:
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
              > > > > have "kitbashed" it
              > > > > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> > Don
              > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > > >> > From: jay matz
              > > > > > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
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              > > > ps.com
              > > > > <mailto:vintageHO%
              > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
              > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> > Don
              > > > > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in
              the
              > > > > early
              > > > > > > 50s.
              > > > > > >> > Jay
              > > > > > >> >
              > > > > > >> >
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              Group: vintageHO Message: 4798 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              erieberk wrote:
              > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even though
              > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long discontinued by
              > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting numbers
              > from the larger photos, if you can make them out.

              I have a 1974 Walther's catalog. I can look up some data in that for
              you if necessary.

              --

              Rick Jones

              The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
              http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/

              Santa's Pickup Lines #10 - Hey Babe, when was the last time you
              did it in a sleigh?
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4799 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
              H-O Seeker has a 1939 catalog which shows 64' pullman cars, so I would
              go with Varney being conmsiderably older that John-English.
              Roger Aultman

              http://www.hoseeker.net/varneyinformation/varney1939catalogpg15.jpg
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4800 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              Many thanks Don, much appreciated. I have many (although not every
              one) of the Walthers catalogs going back to October 1939 though, so
              have all the Pacific HO catalog numbers that I know of. Its the car
              reporting (side) numbers that has taken some extra time with digging
              into the collection to get some I was missing on paper. I'll be
              getting that info to Chuck tomorrow. Still don't have all the
              reporting numbers as I'm missing some cars. Hoping other members can
              chime in here, as well as with other lists we'll be doing, with that
              sort of info. Thanks again, Ray

              P.S,: Their 1949 Decal catalog is a hoot -- they have every little
              obscure railroad and private car company you could think of and then
              some; much more than Champ ever had. Great for modeling that period,
              just too bad they no longer offer them.


              --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
              wrote:
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
              > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:58 PM
              > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
              >
              >
              > > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even
              though
              > > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long discontinued
              by
              > > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting
              numbers
              > > from the larger photos, if you can make them out. I should have
              the
              > > rest of this to you shortly, but not tonight. The format you used
              > > with the MDC would be just great. When we get to the Globe, you
              can
              > > use the info Garry was kind enough to send in and I'll fill you
              in on
              > > the rest -- or I'll just combine both lists here and send it all
              at
              > > once. Ray
              >
              > If it's any help, I have Walthers catalogs back to about 1969 which
              would be
              > the Pacific HO numbers.
              >
              > Don
              >
              Group: vintageHO Message: 4801 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/6/2008
              Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
              Attachments :
                Don and Roger: Yes, 60 foot passenger cars were also in the VARNEY
                1941 catalog, in both green and red, as I recall.

                I do not have this issue in front of me, just now but clearly recall
                them. These cars had printed sides on clear celluloid(?). Several of
                them bore names as pseudo pullmans, to which the letterboard attested.

                I also have a couple of 80' printed paper sided Pullmans kit #300 (I
                think), Nice job of raised rivet detail on these.

                Don L.
                Group: vintageHO Message: 4802 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/6/2008
                Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                Attachments :
                  Roger A and list: The page depicting the correct 64' dimension,
                  appears to be identical to the page in my 1941 catalog.

                  Looks like they're all Pullmans.

                  Don L.
                  Group: vintageHO Message: 4803 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
                  Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                  Rick, Okay, I have the Walthers 1974 catalog -- and the 1973, 1971,
                  1969 and so on down to October 1939 (1940 - Catalog #4), as I
                  mentioned to Don. That one and the 1941 (April '41, Catalog #5) were
                  interesting as they showed the Walthers MILW Baltic 4-6-4 Hudson they
                  produced back then. I believe Don's a Milwaukee Road fan and
                  probably wouldn't mind getting his hands on one of those if he could
                  find one. The 1946 catalog shows a lot more engines Walthers
                  produced, but the 1949 and 1950 catalogs show much less of them, but
                  have lots of Walthers rolling stock (both freight and passenger).
                  Also have their catalogs going the other way -- 1975, 1977, 1979,
                  1980, 1984, etc., all of which I bought new. They're a real good
                  source now for looking up some of the old stuff.

                  One thing that many modelers may not realize, unlike the years after
                  1970, Walthers did not carry anything in their much earlier catalogs
                  except their own equipment. Even as late as their 1961 catalog, the
                  only outside manufacturer they offered that year was Binkley. Thanks
                  a bunch for your offer anyway, it is appreciated. Ray


                  --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Rick Jones <r.t.jones@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > erieberk wrote:
                  > > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even
                  though
                  > > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long discontinued
                  by
                  > > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting
                  numbers
                  > > from the larger photos, if you can make them out.
                  >
                  > I have a 1974 Walther's catalog. I can look up some data in
                  that for
                  > you if necessary.
                  >
                  > --
                  >
                  > Rick Jones
                  >
                  > The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
                  > http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/
                  >
                  > Santa's Pickup Lines #10 - Hey Babe, when was the last time you
                  > did it in a sleigh?
                  >
                  Group: vintageHO Message: 4804 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
                  Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                  Well, I suppose you could paint them bnox car green!!!


                  --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > so what color do I paint my bnox cars?
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                  > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:45 PM
                  > Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                  >
                  >
                  > Alright, looks okay from here. Hope you can figure it out okay. I
                  > see in the email that all the lines condensed to the left instead of
                  > having the additional spacing I put in between everything to form
                  > columns under all the headings, and the "None" under #104 should be
                  > up on the same line. . . and there's no such color as "bnox car
                  red"
                  > (LOL). Any questions, just let me know. Ray
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Alright Chuck, Here it goes with Pacific HO -- Silver Streak.
                  > >
                  > > Note (1), all box cars are painted bnox car red unless otherwise
                  > > stated.
                  > > Note (2), all cabooses are painted caboose red unless otherwise
                  > > stated.
                  > > Note (3), all caboose kit numbers in the #100 series range
                  starting
                  > > after #121 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
                  > > Note (4), all box car kit numbers in the #200 number series range
                  > > starting after #220 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
                  > > Note (5), all auto car kit numbers in the #300 number series range
                  > > starting after #303 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
                  > > Note (6), all reefer kit numbers in the #400 number series
                  starting
                  > > after #419 are Walthers' Silver Streak.
                  > > Note (7), all hart gondola kit numbers in the #500 number series
                  > > range starting after #506 are Walthers Silver Streak.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > PACIFIC HO
                  > >
                  > > Standard Caboose
                  > >
                  > > Kit Number Roadname/Remarks Road (reporting) Number Color
                  > >
                  > > #103 Unlettered 28'
                  > None
                  > >
                  > > #104 Unlettered 30'
                  > > None
                  > > #110 SP Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer
                  > Yellow
                  > >
                  > > #112 B&O
                  > 28'
                  > >
                  > > #113 GN
                  > 24'
                  > >
                  > > #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183
                  > Silver
                  > >
                  > > #116 SP (Bay Window) Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #117 Unlettered (Bay Window) Box Car Red
                  > >
                  > > #118 Pacific Electric (no
                  > Cupola)
                  > >
                  > > #119 Unlettered 34' (no
                  > Cupola)
                  > >
                  > > #120 ERIE (Truss Rod)
                  > 04956
                  > >
                  > > #121 Unlettered
                  > None
                  > >
                  > > #122 MILW (Bay Window) 0255
                  > Silver
                  > >
                  > > #123 ATSF (Truss Rod) Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #124 CB&Q Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #125 SOU (Truss Rod) X-
                  > 3349
                  > >
                  > > #126
                  > C&NW
                  > >
                  > > #127 C&O A-
                  > 616
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Drovers and Combination
                  > Caboose
                  > >
                  > > #107 MP 32' Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #108 Unlettered 34' Reefer
                  > Yellow
                  > >
                  > > #131 CB&Q 3928 Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #132 Sierra RR Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #133 Pacific Lumber
                  > 78
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > 4-Wheel Bobber
                  > Caboose
                  > >
                  > > #175
                  > Unlettered
                  > >
                  > > #176 EJ&E 30 Reefer
                  > Yellow
                  > >
                  > > #177 DL&W 508 Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #178 MA & PA
                  > 2005
                  > >
                  > > #179 WM
                  > 2216
                  > >
                  > > #180 PRR 485497 Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #181 NYC 17005 Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #182 L&NE
                  > 511
                  > >
                  > > #183 B&O C-
                  > 1775
                  > >
                  > > #184 MILW 0478 Box Car
                  > Red
                  > >
                  > > #185 RDG
                  > 90258
                  > >
                  > > #186 GN X-
                  > 94
                  > >
                  > > #187 SOU X
                  > 421
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Please feel free to make any additions or corrections, as needed.
                  > > We'll see what this looks like on your end first before I send
                  > more.
                  > > Best, Ray Wetzel
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                  > > wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Ray,
                  > > >
                  > > > With regards to the other list, it makes no difference to me.
                  It
                  > > sounds
                  > > > like you have many lists, so just send me one and when it is
                  > done,
                  > > send
                  > > > another. I will post them at the site and others can help to
                  > fill
                  > > in any
                  > > > blanks. The MDC one worked well. I sure we will learn a lot
                  > when
                  > > this is
                  > > > father along.
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Take care,
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                  > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > _____
                  > > >
                  > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                  > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                  > > On Behalf
                  > > > Of erieberk
                  > > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:10 AM
                  > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Chuck, Now that we have Garry's metal Athearn listing. I'm no
                  > > longer
                  > > > needing to send you that, which saves us both a lot of work
                  > (thanks
                  > > > again, Garry). I'll check this Athearn list out in the Files
                  > > Section
                  > > > to look it over for possible omissions and/or corrections. I
                  know
                  > > > even the extensive list I have is not complete, as I've seen
                  > > > suspected (but previously unconfirmed) new numbers on eBay
                  > > offerings
                  > > > of these cars which were never verified before. I've tried
                  > > following
                  > > > the Athearn metal eBay listings for possible new numbers, but
                  > found
                  > > > it impossible to keep tabs on every listing.
                  > > >
                  > > > Now, as for these others, the info from any of them is no
                  > problem.
                  > > I
                  > > > can supply you with most of it, having complete or near-complete
                  > > > collections of most (yeah, I'm a pack rat, big time, LOL). Let
                  me
                  > > > know where you want to start. If I don't have it written down,
                  > this
                  > > > will give me a good excuse to go digging. As for the
                  > manufacturers
                  > > > of which my collection is not quite complete, maybe the rest of
                  > the
                  > > > interested members will be able to contribute numbers. BCNU, Ray
                  > W.
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > ps.com,
                  > > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                  > > > wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Ray,
                  > > > >
                  > > > > For the others, I certainly can do something in format, the
                  > > Athearn
                  > > > style of
                  > > > > Garry's or the MDC style. But I have almost no info on the
                  > makers
                  > > > listed,
                  > > > > so would need much input.
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Take care,
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                  > > > > http://community.
                  <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                  > > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > _____
                  > > > >
                  > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > ps.com
                  > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > ps.com]
                  > > > On Behalf
                  > > > > Of erieberk
                  > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:51 AM
                  > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > ps.com
                  > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Chuck, Sure, if you want to do an Excel sheet on Athearn
                  metal,
                  > > the
                  > > > > same as you did for the info I supplied for MDC/Roundhouse
                  back
                  > > in
                  > > > > October, I'd be glad to. Just let me know where you think we
                  > > should
                  > > > > start. BTW, when I last counted them all, there were about 738
                  > (?)
                  > > > or
                  > > > > so different reporting numbers (if memory serves) for all the
                  > > > > different road names of all the different models -- a LOT more
                  > > than
                  > > > > the MDC inventory. Are you still up to it (LOL)?
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I'd be glad to supply complete (or near complete) rosters of
                  > > > > reporting numbers for any of the multiple-numbered
                  > manufacturers'
                  > > > > lists of road names, including Globe, Silver Streak, Varney,
                  > > > Laconia,
                  > > > > Marker-Lights, Con Cor Models, Model Master, Park Varieties or
                  > > any
                  > > > > others. Luckily, most of the other manufacturers used only one
                  > > > > reporting number even though in some case like Main Line, when
                  > > they
                  > > > > changed Kit Numbers for all their road names, they still
                  > retained
                  > > > all
                  > > > > the same reporting numbers for these same road names.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > After multiple-numbered road name kit manufacturers spread
                  > sheets
                  > > > are
                  > > > > completed, you might want to consider doing those
                  manufacturers
                  > > > which
                  > > > > did only one reporting number for their road names, as it
                  would
                  > > > still
                  > > > > help in identifying the manufacturer -- but that would have be
                  > > > > somewhere down the line in the future. With these, we could do
                  > > > > Ulrich, Rail Master, International (I.M.P.), Binkley, A-C
                  > Models,
                  > > L-
                  > > > W
                  > > > > Models, Comet, Olympic Cascadian, George Taylor of Canada,
                  > Ideal
                  > > or
                  > > > > any others you can think of if you're up to it. These lists
                  > would
                  > > > > take me more time though; since they only had one reporting
                  > > number
                  > > > > and not needing any others to look for, I never bothered
                  > writing
                  > > > them
                  > > > > down so would have to go all back through the collection to
                  > find
                  > > > that
                  > > > > data. Let me know on those (have plenty to keep you busy -
                  LOL).
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Happy New Year, Ray Wetzel
                  > > > >
                  > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                  40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > ps.com,
                  > > > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                  > > > > wrote:
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > If you all can provide the car numbers, I can put an Excel
                  > > sheet
                  > > > > together
                  > > > > > for these cars. I already have the sheet done, just need the
                  > > > > reporting
                  > > > > > numbers. If you are interested in such a list?
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Take care,
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                  > > > > > http://community. <http://community.
                  > > > <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                  > > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                  > > > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > _____
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                  > 40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > ps.com
                  > > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                  > 40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > ps.com]
                  > > > > On Behalf
                  > > > > > Of erieberk
                  > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:34 PM
                  > > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > ps.com
                  > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Yes, you can rest assure the Athearn metal NYC Pacemaker (A-
                  > > 178)
                  > > > > car
                  > > > > > was produced in an all-metal version (w/ wood sub-floor
                  > only).
                  > > > > > Reaching for the first Pacemaker kit I had easy access to,
                  > and
                  > > > > > without needing to go further into my collection, I found a
                  > > > > reporting
                  > > > > > number 74283 as being all metal. I have eight of the known
                  > > > THIRTEEN
                  > > > > > reporting numbers for this roadname, and will try to check
                  > out
                  > > > the
                  > > > > > rest upon gaining access to them, but this should at least
                  > > answer
                  > > > > > your question. Here's hoping you have a Happy & Healthy New
                  > > Year
                  > > > > > too. Ray W.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                  > 40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > ps.com,
                  > > > > > Louis Greiff <louie113@> wrote:
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > On the subject of Athearn metal freight cars, can anyone
                  > > > > > confirm that
                  > > > > > > the Pacemaker boxcar (A-178) was made in the ³all metal²
                  > > > version
                  > > > > > (with
                  > > > > > > wooden floor) as well as in the earlier version in which
                  > the
                  > > > > metal
                  > > > > > parts are
                  > > > > > > put together around a wood floor, sub-ends, and sub-roof?
                  > Of
                  > > > the
                  > > > > > twelve
                  > > > > > > cars in this series (A-175 through A-186) I¹ve come across
                  > > ³all
                  > > > > > metal²
                  > > > > > > versions of every car except for the Pacemaker. My guess
                  is
                  > > > that
                  > > > > > it¹s out
                  > > > > > > there, and I¹m hoping that someone in the group can tell
                  me
                  > > for
                  > > > > > sure.
                  > > > > > > Best wishes and happy New Year.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Lou G.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > On 1/1/08 12:01 PM, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Don, No need to fear that your Athearn metal N&W 40'
                  > single-
                  > > > door
                  > > > > > > > round roof boxcar was kitbashed. As has already been
                  > > confirmed
                  > > > > > > > earlier this morning by several other members having a
                  > > couple
                  > > > of
                  > > > > > > > different road names, these were regular Athearn
                  > production
                  > > > > runs.
                  > > > > > > > Athearn produced four different roadnames for these
                  cars;
                  > > #A-
                  > > > > 301
                  > > > > > PRR
                  > > > > > > > (in 5 reporting numbers), A-302 DT&I (in 8 reporting
                  > > > numbers),
                  > > > > A-
                  > > > > > 303
                  > > > > > > > SAL (in 4 reporting numbers) and A-304 N&W (in 5
                  > reporting
                  > > > > > numbers).
                  > > > > > > > I have all 5 of the PRR's, 5 of the DT&I's, 3 of the
                  > SAL's
                  > > > and
                  > > > > 4
                  > > > > > of
                  > > > > > > > the N&W's. Nice cars, as were any of the other metal
                  > > > Athearns,
                  > > > > > but
                  > > > > > > > these were "distinctive". Ray W.
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                  > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > ps.com
                  > > > > > <mailto:vintageHO%
                  > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> , "Don
                  > > > > > > > Dellmann" <don.dellmann@>
                  > > > > > > > wrote:
                  > > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > > >> > That's good to know. I was afraid someone may
                  > > > > > have "kitbashed" it
                  > > > > > > > by combining parts from an auto car kit with a box car.
                  > > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > > >> > Don
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                  > > > > ps.com
                  > > > > > <mailto:vintageHO%
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                  > > > > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:33 AM
                  > > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Unusual Athearn?
                  > > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > > >> >
                  > > > > > > >> > Don
                  > > > > > > >> > I have the same N&W round roof car, My Dad got it in
                  > the
                  > > > > > early
                  > > > > > > > 50s.
                  > > > > > > >> > Jay
                  > > > > > > >> >
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                  Group: vintageHO Message: 4805 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/6/2008
                  Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                  Don L Do you think the 64' pullmans were the clear side material or the
                  pressed paper? I recall seeing kits for smooth side passengers that were
                  printed on transparent material, a real neat way of doing thngs I always
                  thought. Roger Aultman


                  Roger A and list: The page depicting the correct 64' dimension,
                  appears to be identical to the page in my 1941 catalog.

                  Looks like they're all Pullmans.

                  Don L.
                  Group: vintageHO Message: 4806 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
                  Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                  Oops, in browsing back through the Walthers 1961 catalog, I
                  discovered an oversight on my part -- sorry, didn't mean to mislead
                  you. More towards the back of the catalog, after the Binkley -
                  Laconia products on pages 21 & 22, the Silver Streak offerings are
                  displayed as well as the Athearn metal car kits, albeit without any
                  of the round roof cars. Ray


                  --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Rick,
                  >
                  > One thing that many modelers may not realize, unlike the years
                  after
                  > 1970, Walthers did not carry anything in their much earlier
                  catalogs
                  > except their own equipment. Even as late as their 1961 catalog,
                  the
                  > only outside manufacturer they offered that year was Binkley.
                  Thanks
                  > a bunch for your offer anyway, it is appreciated. Ray
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Rick Jones <r.t.jones@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > erieberk wrote:
                  > > > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even
                  > though
                  > > > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long
                  discontinued
                  > by
                  > > > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting
                  > numbers
                  > > > from the larger photos, if you can make them out.
                  > >
                  > > I have a 1974 Walther's catalog. I can look up some data in
                  > that for
                  > > you if necessary.
                  > >
                  > > --
                  > >
                  > > Rick Jones
                  > >
                  > > The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
                  > > http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/
                  > >
                  > > Santa's Pickup Lines #10 - Hey Babe, when was the last time you
                  > > did it in a sleigh?
                  > >
                  >
                  Group: vintageHO Message: 4807 From: erieberk Date: 1/6/2008
                  Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                  Hi Garry, After reading your post, it just struck me that Silver
                  Streak produced tank cars (wood/aluminum foil wrapper), even though I
                  have a few of them (built up); I had forgotten about them. Checking
                  back through all the Walthers catalogs I have, I cannot come up with
                  any of them. I'm not sure when they were discontinued, but I know
                  Pacific HO released them quite early, like in the early 1950's. If
                  they were discontinued within a short time span of that, this would
                  explain why they're not found in the Walthers catalogs, since Walthers
                  did not carry other manufacturers back then.

                  I did find all the Pacific HO/ Silver Streak tank cars both in the 1950
                  and the 1953 Model Railroad Equipment Corporation (Carmen Webster)
                  catalogs, but the listings do not have them inventoried with the
                  Pacific HO kit number, only their own. If you have the catalog numbers
                  for these Silver Streak tank cars, could you please forward them to
                  Chuck. They would include: Conoco, General American Tank - GATX, Shell
                  Chemical - SCMX (# 519) and Texaco. I don't know of any others unless
                  you do. Many thanks, Ray


                  --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Garry Spear" <garrettspear@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > Hi Ray,
                  >
                  >
                  > Not real easy to do. The spread sheet contains: Athearn, Globe,
                  > International, Mantua, MDC, Pacific Pike, Silver Streak (metal Tanks),
                  > Thomas (tank cars), Ulrich, & Varney. The list is my observations and
                  > inventor.
                  >
                  > Garry Spear
                  >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  Group: vintageHO Message: 4808 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
                  Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: <DLeistikow@...>
                  To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:07 PM
                  Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] RE: Unusual Athearn?


                  > Don and Roger: Yes, 60 foot passenger cars were also in the VARNEY
                  > 1941 catalog, in both green and red, as I recall.
                  >
                  > I do not have this issue in front of me, just now but clearly recall
                  > them. These cars had printed sides on clear celluloid(?). Several of
                  > them bore names as pseudo pullmans, to which the letterboard attested.
                  >
                  > I also have a couple of 80' printed paper sided Pullmans kit #300 (I
                  > think), Nice job of raised rivet detail on these.
                  >
                  > Don L.

                  I have one of the celluloid 60' pullmans in red, also one of the #300
                  pullmans, and sides to do a couple more. I was specifically asking about
                  the card side 60'ers, same construction as the pullman.

                  Interesting note, I cheat on the sides when building them. In the original
                  kits you get FOUR sides, you were supposed to laminate two together with
                  cellophane in between for the window "glass". It was the double side that
                  gave it the strength. I laminate one side to clear styrene instead, giving
                  greater strength, and leaving me with an extra set of sides, which, when
                  combined with Northeastern roof and floor stock, and appropriate ends and
                  details, gives me a second car.

                  Don

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                  Group: vintageHO Message: 4809 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
                  Subject: Walthers (was Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                  Walthers started Terminal Hobby in 1959 to carry brands other than their
                  own. The first ones over the first year or two were Binkley/Laconia,
                  Mainline, Silver Streak, Ulrich, and, believe it or not AKANE brass.

                  For a time in the 1970's, they even printed a THS Catalog in addition to the
                  regular Walthers' book, listing the brands THS sold that Walthers didn't
                  distribute themselves. ( Labelle, Kar-Line, Cary etc. are a few that come to
                  mind, as well as other brass importers.)

                  Don

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                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                  To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:29 PM
                  Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?


                  > Oops, in browsing back through the Walthers 1961 catalog, I
                  > discovered an oversight on my part -- sorry, didn't mean to mislead
                  > you. More towards the back of the catalog, after the Binkley -
                  > Laconia products on pages 21 & 22, the Silver Streak offerings are
                  > displayed as well as the Athearn metal car kits, albeit without any
                  > of the round roof cars. Ray
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
                  >>
                  >> Rick,
                  >>
                  >> One thing that many modelers may not realize, unlike the years
                  > after
                  >> 1970, Walthers did not carry anything in their much earlier
                  > catalogs
                  >> except their own equipment. Even as late as their 1961 catalog,
                  > the
                  >> only outside manufacturer they offered that year was Binkley.
                  > Thanks
                  >> a bunch for your offer anyway, it is appreciated. Ray
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Rick Jones <r.t.jones@> wrote:
                  >> >
                  >> > erieberk wrote:
                  >> > > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even
                  >> though
                  >> > > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long
                  > discontinued
                  >> by
                  >> > > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting
                  >> numbers
                  >> > > from the larger photos, if you can make them out.
                  >> >
                  >> > I have a 1974 Walther's catalog. I can look up some data in
                  >> that for
                  >> > you if necessary.
                  >> >
                  >> > --
                  >> >
                  >> > Rick Jones
                  >> >
                  >> > The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
                  >> > http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/
                  >> >
                  >> > Santa's Pickup Lines #10 - Hey Babe, when was the last time you
                  >> > did it in a sleigh?
                  >> >
                  >>
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  Group: vintageHO Message: 4810 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
                  Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Roger Aultman" <raul@...>
                  To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:56 PM
                  Subject: Re: [vintageHO] VARNEY 64' PULLMANS


                  > Don L Do you think the 64' pullmans were the clear side material or the
                  > pressed paper? I recall seeing kits for smooth side passengers that were
                  > printed on transparent material, a real neat way of doing thngs I always
                  > thought. Roger Aultman
                  >
                  >
                  > Roger A and list: The page depicting the correct 64' dimension,
                  > appears to be identical to the page in my 1941 catalog.
                  >
                  > Looks like they're all Pullmans.
                  >
                  > Don L.

                  Correct me if I'm wrong (I often am). but as I understand it, the prewar
                  heavyweights were celluloid, the postwar cardstock. I do not know of any
                  cardstock cars other than the shorty combine and coach, and the 14 section
                  pullman.

                  The streamliners were all celluloid sides up to the introduction of the
                  "shorty" metal streamliners in the early 1950's. The celluloid streamliners
                  carry a copyright date of 1939 on the sides themselves (in the selvedge that
                  gets cut off). I have seen them in three color variations, tuscan (which
                  were also given away as cereal box premiums in the early 1950's, that's how
                  my late Godfather got his), two-tone gray, and two tone blue. I have an
                  almost complete set of the blue ones, (all except the combine_, and I am
                  currently BUILDING, car by car, some of the gray ones for another list
                  member.

                  Pictures of all the ones I've found or done so far are in the "zDon
                  Dellmann's Stuff - Passenger Cars" in the photo section at the group home
                  page (some were found assembled, some I've actually built)

                  Don

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                  Group: vintageHO Message: 4811 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/6/2008
                  Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                  To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:02 PM
                  Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?


                  > Hi Garry, After reading your post, it just struck me that Silver
                  > Streak produced tank cars (wood/aluminum foil wrapper), even though I
                  > have a few of them (built up); I had forgotten about them. Checking
                  > back through all the Walthers catalogs I have, I cannot come up with
                  > any of them. I'm not sure when they were discontinued, but I know
                  > Pacific HO released them quite early, like in the early 1950's. If
                  > they were discontinued within a short time span of that, this would
                  > explain why they're not found in the Walthers catalogs, since Walthers
                  > did not carry other manufacturers back then.
                  >
                  > I did find all the Pacific HO/ Silver Streak tank cars both in the 1950
                  > and the 1953 Model Railroad Equipment Corporation (Carmen Webster)
                  > catalogs, but the listings do not have them inventoried with the
                  > Pacific HO kit number, only their own. If you have the catalog numbers
                  > for these Silver Streak tank cars, could you please forward them to
                  > Chuck. They would include: Conoco, General American Tank - GATX, Shell
                  > Chemical - SCMX (# 519) and Texaco. I don't know of any others unless
                  > you do. Many thanks, Ray

                  Speak of the devil. With any kind of luck I will have an unbuilt one of the
                  tanker kits in my hot little hand by this evening (Monday) or Tuesday at the
                  latest. (it was supposedly mailed last Friday. I'll let you know the
                  name/numbers etc. as soon as I get it.

                  Don

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                  Group: vintageHO Message: 4812 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/6/2008
                  Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                  Attachments :
                    Roger A and list: The ones that I have, were purchased just before or
                    during WW 2, as I was a teenager back then. Mine have the clear
                    celluloid(?) material with the print (pressed, litho, whatever) on them.

                    The bad feature was that the sides needed to be glued to the wood
                    carbody, which was assembled, first. In time, the inside of the (I'll
                    say it was celluloid (a popular item back then) which would warp or
                    belly out, in a shallow curve. The part which was glued to the carbody
                    remained flat, resulting in an interesting looking side wall. I have
                    thought about peeling the side sheets off and cutting strathmore board,
                    new car sides.

                    I have maintained a 3 x 5 card file on all built rolling stock. All
                    repairs and incidental costs are listed by date on the reverse side of
                    the card. Here is a resume' of my PULLMAN cars.

                    CONCORD: Class PS. Truck Serial Numbers 500-501, changed to 800-801.
                    Built 1941 by Don Leistikow. OWNER (same). Manufactured by VARNEY Kit
                    No. PA 307.

                    KIWANIS: Class PS. Truck Serial Numbers (blank). Built by Don
                    Leistikow. OWNER (same). Maufactured by WALTHERS Kit # 6603

                    RANGER: Class PS. Truck Serial No's. 802-803. Built 11-12-47 by Don
                    Leistikow. OWNER (same). Manufactured by VARNEY Kit #PA309

                    SHASTA: Class PS. Truck Serial No's 904-905 BLK changed to 1000-1001.
                    Built 1941. OWNER (same). Manufactured by VARNEY Kit No. PA300.

                    SITTING BULL: Class PS. Truck Serial No's (not shown). Built (no
                    date) by Donald J. Mueller. OWNER Don Leistikow. Manufactured by
                    VARNEY Kit No. PA 314

                    VARNEY: Class PS. 80' Steel, 14 Section Sleeping Car. Manufacturer
                    VARNEY Kit #PA-300. Trucks MDC Roundhouse #60-201. Couplers VARNEY
                    #600 dummy. Builder, Don Leistikow. OWNER (same). Acquired 2nd hand
                    from Garman's Hobby Shop April 12, 1974. Cost $2.49. Value $15.00


                    You will note that the last card entry is far more complete in
                    description, thus a more valuable file and reference.

                    This card file is for operational rolling stock and does not comprise
                    cars in Kit form, not yet constructed.

                    Any questions, anyone?

                    Don L.
                    Group: vintageHO Message: 4813 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/7/2008
                    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                    Dang..........

                    I had completely forgotten that was in the case.......... Post TrainFest trauma ...........

                    I'll get it out and crank out a bunch of ends over the next couple of days.........

                    Best to ya'
                    Mike Bauers
                    Milwaukee Wi, USA

                    On Jan 5, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Don Dellmann wrote:

                    Just that Walthers end that you made a mold of at Trainfest.
                     
                    Don
                    ----- Original Message -----

                    Jog me again............

                    I've got the patterns.......... Which car types did you want????

                    I suppose I should just go and make them all...........

                    Best to ya'
                    Mike Bauers
                    Milwaukee Wi, USA


                    On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Don Dellmann wrote:

                    That was actually mentioned here a couple days ago for those who don't have excell.  I downloaded it myself the other night.
                     
                    There is a database function on the group home page, but I don't know how much memory is allowed, or how functional it really is.
                     
                    BTW, PING to Mike, were you able to make me any passenger car ends?  I'm ready for about five pair, have a whole pile of Varney card sides ready to go.
                    Group: vintageHO Message: 4814 From: erieberk Date: 1/7/2008
                    Subject: Walthers (was Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                    Thanks for the reminder -- I had completely forgotten that they
                    didn't start carrying other brands until they started Terminal Hobby
                    in 1959, which explains why little else except their own stuff was
                    included in their earlier catalogs, Yeah, as more years went on
                    after 1959, they added more manufacturers to their catalogs. The
                    1964 catalog, for instance, includes Ulrich, Golden Spike, Central
                    Valley and Main Line Models rolling stock kits in addition to the
                    Silver Streak in the 1961 catalog. The Athearn offerings had
                    disappeared by this time though. The Akane^ you mentioned is
                    represented by 12 illustrated models, as well as 5 new models not
                    illustrated -- nice prices if it were today's money. Structures and
                    detail parts by other manufacturers were also entering the picture.
                    Ray


                    --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > Walthers started Terminal Hobby in 1959 to carry brands other than
                    their
                    > own. The first ones over the first year or two were
                    Binkley/Laconia,
                    > Mainline, Silver Streak, Ulrich, and, believe it or not AKANE brass.
                    >
                    > For a time in the 1970's, they even printed a THS Catalog in
                    addition to the
                    > regular Walthers' book, listing the brands THS sold that Walthers
                    didn't
                    > distribute themselves. ( Labelle, Kar-Line, Cary etc. are a few
                    that come to
                    > mind, as well as other brass importers.)
                    >
                    > Don
                    >
                    > don.dellmann@...
                    > http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
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                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
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                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                    > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:29 PM
                    > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                    >
                    >
                    > > Oops, in browsing back through the Walthers 1961 catalog, I
                    > > discovered an oversight on my part -- sorry, didn't mean to
                    mislead
                    > > you. More towards the back of the catalog, after the Binkley -
                    > > Laconia products on pages 21 & 22, the Silver Streak offerings are
                    > > displayed as well as the Athearn metal car kits, albeit without
                    any
                    > > of the round roof cars. Ray
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                    > >>
                    > >> Rick,
                    > >>
                    > >> One thing that many modelers may not realize, unlike the years
                    > > after
                    > >> 1970, Walthers did not carry anything in their much earlier
                    > > catalogs
                    > >> except their own equipment. Even as late as their 1961 catalog,
                    > > the
                    > >> only outside manufacturer they offered that year was Binkley.
                    > > Thanks
                    > >> a bunch for your offer anyway, it is appreciated. Ray
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Rick Jones <r.t.jones@> wrote:
                    > >> >
                    > >> > erieberk wrote:
                    > >> > > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even
                    > >> though
                    > >> > > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long
                    > > discontinued
                    > >> by
                    > >> > > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting
                    > >> numbers
                    > >> > > from the larger photos, if you can make them out.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > I have a 1974 Walther's catalog. I can look up some data in
                    > >> that for
                    > >> > you if necessary.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > --
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Rick Jones
                    > >> >
                    > >> > The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
                    > >> > http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Santa's Pickup Lines #10 - Hey Babe, when was the last time you
                    > >> > did it in a sleigh?
                    > >> >
                    > >>
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    Group: vintageHO Message: 4815 From: erieberk Date: 1/7/2008
                    Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                    Great find Don, those Silver Streak tankers have to be rare. Yes,
                    please let us know the kit number and the rest of the details. I
                    have the road number for the Conaco and the color was silver (but no
                    box -- no kit number). Also have the kit number and road number for
                    the GATX, but I don't remember the color (probably black?); its well
                    buried and wouldn't find it easily. Ray


                    --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                    wrote:

                    >
                    > Speak of the devil. With any kind of luck I will have an unbuilt
                    one of the
                    > tanker kits in my hot little hand by this evening (Monday) or
                    Tuesday at the
                    > latest. (it was supposedly mailed last Friday. I'll let you know
                    the
                    > name/numbers etc. as soon as I get it.
                    >
                    > Don
                    >
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                    >
                    Group: vintageHO Message: 4816 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/7/2008
                    Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: <DLeistikow@...>
                    To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:04 AM
                    Subject: Re: [vintageHO] VARNEY 64' PULLMANS


                    > Roger A and list: The ones that I have, were purchased just before or
                    > during WW 2, as I was a teenager back then. Mine have the clear
                    > celluloid(?) material with the print (pressed, litho, whatever) on them.
                    >
                    > The bad feature was that the sides needed to be glued to the wood
                    > carbody, which was assembled, first. In time, the inside of the (I'll
                    > say it was celluloid (a popular item back then) which would warp or
                    > belly out, in a shallow curve. The part which was glued to the carbody
                    > remained flat, resulting in an interesting looking side wall. I have
                    > thought about peeling the side sheets off and cutting strathmore board,
                    > new car sides.
                    >
                    > I have maintained a 3 x 5 card file on all built rolling stock. All
                    > repairs and incidental costs are listed by date on the reverse side of
                    > the card. Here is a resume' of my PULLMAN cars.
                    >
                    > CONCORD: Class PS. Truck Serial Numbers 500-501, changed to 800-801.
                    > Built 1941 by Don Leistikow. OWNER (same). Manufactured by VARNEY Kit
                    > No. PA 307.
                    >
                    > KIWANIS: Class PS. Truck Serial Numbers (blank). Built by Don
                    > Leistikow. OWNER (same). Maufactured by WALTHERS Kit # 6603
                    >
                    > RANGER: Class PS. Truck Serial No's. 802-803. Built 11-12-47 by Don
                    > Leistikow. OWNER (same). Manufactured by VARNEY Kit #PA309
                    >
                    > SHASTA: Class PS. Truck Serial No's 904-905 BLK changed to 1000-1001.
                    > Built 1941. OWNER (same). Manufactured by VARNEY Kit No. PA300.
                    >
                    > SITTING BULL: Class PS. Truck Serial No's (not shown). Built (no
                    > date) by Donald J. Mueller. OWNER Don Leistikow. Manufactured by
                    > VARNEY Kit No. PA 314
                    >
                    > VARNEY: Class PS. 80' Steel, 14 Section Sleeping Car. Manufacturer
                    > VARNEY Kit #PA-300. Trucks MDC Roundhouse #60-201. Couplers VARNEY
                    > #600 dummy. Builder, Don Leistikow. OWNER (same). Acquired 2nd hand
                    > from Garman's Hobby Shop April 12, 1974. Cost $2.49. Value $15.00
                    >
                    >
                    > You will note that the last card entry is far more complete in
                    > description, thus a more valuable file and reference.
                    >
                    > This card file is for operational rolling stock and does not comprise
                    > cars in Kit form, not yet constructed.
                    >
                    > Any questions, anyone?
                    >
                    > Don L.

                    The cards can be a VERY valuable reference down the line. I do something
                    similar, but in the form of 8 1/2 x 11 sheets in a binder, sorted by road
                    name. I only have the data though for pieces I currently have, so there's
                    not really any "historical" data about all the stuff that's passed through
                    my hands over the years.

                    I'm in the process of putting them all into the computer, so there's a
                    printed sheet, along with a photograph, in the book for each piece. I also
                    then put a photo up in my Flickr album so there's some sort of reference
                    outside the house just in case.
                    (if anyone cares, http://www.flickr.com/photos/20190284@N05/ )

                    Don

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                    Group: vintageHO Message: 4817 From: erieberk Date: 1/7/2008
                    Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                    Hi Chuck, I got the chance to check out your Silver Streak file, and
                    it looks like its laid out fine -- same as the MDC and easy to
                    follow. There are a number of things that I'd like to draw your
                    attention to, but am hoping you know its not criticism. We did have
                    to make corrections on the MDC at that time also, but it turned out
                    great. I was going to tell you to hold off until you got all my
                    info, when you mentioned you'd start with the Walthers 1989 catalog,
                    as it could have (and needs) to be rearranged differently in my
                    opinion, but I didn't want to discourage you from starting; you
                    seemed kind of eager. I also was hoping to save you from making too
                    many unneeded corrections, but to have this spread sheet to be able
                    to read where its not confusing, I think all the later Walthers needs
                    to be added at the end, after the earlier listing, noting this
                    overlapping situation with the time-frames involved. Many of your
                    1989 Walthers kit numbers for Silver Streak, using the Walthers
                    prefix number 792, overlap the earlier mid- '70 - mid ' 80 Walthers
                    (prefix # 929) Silver Streak using different road names, which is
                    impossible to understand unless the later Walthers kit numbers/road
                    names are separated from the earlier ones, and attentiion is made as
                    to why. This especially goes for the reefer kit numbers #423 through
                    #433, but most other groups are involved also.

                    Okay, starting from the beginning, I spotted these thing that seem to
                    need addressing, and I'm not trying to nit-pick.

                    (1) For starters, I see where you included my Notations -- All box
                    cars are box car red except as noted, All cabooses are caboose red
                    except as noted, and then you unnecessarily filled in those colors in
                    the description, which I don't quite understand.

                    (2) I note you have the higher kit number (4-Wheel Bobber) cabooses
                    first. I would have started with the lowest (Regular) caboose kit
                    numbers (#110 through #128)and gone up from there.

                    (3) The kit #176 EJ&E (Chicago Outer Belt) caboose's color
                    description is RY Couldn't figure that one out at first myself.
                    Might as well change it to Reefer Yellow like all the rest of those
                    same descriptions.

                    (4) The kit #110 SP caboose is 30' -- not 36'.

                    (5) The kit #111 UP caboose is 30' -- not 36'.

                    (6) The kit #112 B&O caboose is 28'.

                    (7) The kit #113 GN caboose is 24'.

                    (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut short
                    to 2183.

                    (9) The kit #121 Unlettered (undec.) caboose; NONE = No Number, so it
                    can be removed from the kit number description slot.

                    (10) The kit #122 MILW caboose should likewise have the complete road
                    number -- 0255, not 255.

                    (11) The kit #128 MKT caboose is Reefer Yellow.

                    (12) The Walthers 792 Hart Gondolas, kit #161 through #169 need to be
                    placed separately at the end, as these cars are original Pacific HO
                    Silver Streak (with different kit numbers), otherwise, it looks
                    confusing. Their original kit numbers are #500 through #509.

                    (13) Ditto for the 36' wood box cars. Their original Walthers Silver
                    Streak kit numbers are #228 through #233, which should be noted
                    before these later Walthers kit numbers.

                    (14) The 40' box cars -- series starting with kit number #201 -- I
                    again, I would have put these before the higher number 36' box cars.

                    (15) The 40' truss-rod reefers -- these are original Pacfic HO Silver
                    Streak kits and should reflect the original Pacific HO kit numbers,
                    at least at first, and not reflect the revised Walthers kit numbers
                    until the end (separately).

                    (16) Ditto for the 40' truss-rod box cars. Incidentally, these cars
                    were originally lumped as "Truss-Rod Cars" by Pacifc HO, and they had
                    the same kit number sequence, but its probably best to separate them
                    as you had especially since their kit number series are now different.

                    (17) Ditto for the 50' DD auto cars; The original Pacific HO kit
                    numbers were #300 through #303 (and the early Walthers with different
                    additional roads were #351 through #356). This needs to be first
                    brought to a reader's attention.

                    (18) Ditto for the MOW car kits.

                    (19) Ditto for the truss-rod cabooses.

                    (20) Drovers and Combination cabooses -- ought to be lumped after the
                    other cabooses separately.

                    (21) You're missing Drover & Combine caboose kit number #130 ATSF --
                    Box Car Red.

                    (22) I don't see a need to have the C&NW Mechanical Reefer kit number
                    #401 listed in a separate category since its part of the same (and
                    original) Pacific HO grouping of kit numbers #401 through #420, which
                    also included another C&NW Mechanical Reefer kit (#415). Also, some
                    reefers in the same grouping were specified as for Ice Service only --
                    there'd be no sense to keep them separate.

                    That's about it, except for the later 1989 Walthers kit numbers not
                    jiving with the same earlier Walthers kit numbers, having different
                    road names. Realizing this, maybe we should include the earlier
                    Walthers prefer number (#929) for these kits as well to differentiate
                    them from everything else, although I thought my "Notes" would have
                    covered that. Let me know what you think on that. Best, Ray




                    --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > Well I have put the file up for the Pacific HO and Silver Streak
                    cars. Let
                    > me know how it looks.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                    > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > _____
                    >
                    > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                    On Behalf
                    > Of Don Dellmann
                    > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:04 PM
                    > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@wmconnect. <mailto:erieberk%
                    40wmconnect.com> com>
                    > To: <vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                    ps.com>
                    > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:58 PM
                    > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                    >
                    > > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even though
                    > > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long discontinued
                    by
                    > > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting
                    numbers
                    > > from the larger photos, if you can make them out. I should have
                    the
                    > > rest of this to you shortly, but not tonight. The format you used
                    > > with the MDC would be just great. When we get to the Globe, you
                    can
                    > > use the info Garry was kind enough to send in and I'll fill you
                    in on
                    > > the rest -- or I'll just combine both lists here and send it all
                    at
                    > > once. Ray
                    >
                    > If it's any help, I have Walthers catalogs back to about 1969 which
                    would be
                    >
                    > the Pacific HO numbers.
                    >
                    > Don
                    >
                    Group: vintageHO Message: 4818 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/7/2008
                    Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                    Attachments :
                      Well done, Don. Quite interesting and the photographic file, leaves no
                      doubt as to the car's appearance. A photograph, is worth a thousand
                      words.

                      I too sort by Road Name or Initials first. Hence my lead comment in the
                      posting of my PULLMAN cars. beneath that is the car number or name,
                      then on the same line opposite, the AAR Class initials.

                      I have long thought that this piece of railroadiana, should be extended
                      into the hobby and carried as additional information for cataloging and
                      record purposes. Even more important with Vintage rolling stock against
                      today's offerings. Greatly enhancing a spread sheet for cross
                      referencing.

                      This would be first generated by the Hobby Industry manufacturers in
                      their Catalogs and advertising. Perhaps, we could lobby this idea.

                      Don L.
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4819 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/7/2008
                      Subject: Re: Walthers (was Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      One of the high points of my life was back around 1961 when this
                      impressionable 14 year old kid and his friend rode the Cannonball into
                      Milwaukee, and walked up to 1245 N. Water St. to be given a tour of the
                      place by Bill Walthers himself.

                      As near as I can tell, Walthers did not carry Athearn until 1970. (The '69
                      book only shows MDC Roundhouse for plastic cars)). 1970 or '71 also saw the
                      introduction of Train Miniature (who also offered the Tru-scale plastic work
                      car kits, which brings us back to Silver Streak <G>).

                      An interesting study would be the "geneology" of all the different
                      manufacturers (we touched on this in the thread on F-7 shells).

                      Don

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                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:39 AM
                      Subject: Walthers (was Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?


                      > Thanks for the reminder -- I had completely forgotten that they
                      > didn't start carrying other brands until they started Terminal Hobby
                      > in 1959, which explains why little else except their own stuff was
                      > included in their earlier catalogs, Yeah, as more years went on
                      > after 1959, they added more manufacturers to their catalogs. The
                      > 1964 catalog, for instance, includes Ulrich, Golden Spike, Central
                      > Valley and Main Line Models rolling stock kits in addition to the
                      > Silver Streak in the 1961 catalog. The Athearn offerings had
                      > disappeared by this time though. The Akane^ you mentioned is
                      > represented by 12 illustrated models, as well as 5 new models not
                      > illustrated -- nice prices if it were today's money. Structures and
                      > detail parts by other manufacturers were also entering the picture.
                      > Ray
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                      > wrote:
                      >>
                      >> Walthers started Terminal Hobby in 1959 to carry brands other than
                      > their
                      >> own. The first ones over the first year or two were
                      > Binkley/Laconia,
                      >> Mainline, Silver Streak, Ulrich, and, believe it or not AKANE brass.
                      >>
                      >> For a time in the 1970's, they even printed a THS Catalog in
                      > addition to the
                      >> regular Walthers' book, listing the brands THS sold that Walthers
                      > didn't
                      >> distribute themselves. ( Labelle, Kar-Line, Cary etc. are a few
                      > that come to
                      >> mind, as well as other brass importers.)
                      >>
                      >> Don
                      >>
                      >> don.dellmann@...
                      >> http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                      >> Owner-Moderator
                      >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                      >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                      >> Co-owner
                      >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                      >> To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      >> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:29 PM
                      >> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> > Oops, in browsing back through the Walthers 1961 catalog, I
                      >> > discovered an oversight on my part -- sorry, didn't mean to
                      > mislead
                      >> > you. More towards the back of the catalog, after the Binkley -
                      >> > Laconia products on pages 21 & 22, the Silver Streak offerings are
                      >> > displayed as well as the Athearn metal car kits, albeit without
                      > any
                      >> > of the round roof cars. Ray
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                      >> >>
                      >> >> Rick,
                      >> >>
                      >> >> One thing that many modelers may not realize, unlike the years
                      >> > after
                      >> >> 1970, Walthers did not carry anything in their much earlier
                      >> > catalogs
                      >> >> except their own equipment. Even as late as their 1961 catalog,
                      >> > the
                      >> >> only outside manufacturer they offered that year was Binkley.
                      >> > Thanks
                      >> >> a bunch for your offer anyway, it is appreciated. Ray
                      >> >>
                      >> >>
                      >> >> --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Rick Jones <r.t.jones@> wrote:
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > erieberk wrote:
                      >> >> > > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even
                      >> >> though
                      >> >> > > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long
                      >> > discontinued
                      >> >> by
                      >> >> > > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting
                      >> >> numbers
                      >> >> > > from the larger photos, if you can make them out.
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > I have a 1974 Walther's catalog. I can look up some data in
                      >> >> that for
                      >> >> > you if necessary.
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > --
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > Rick Jones
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
                      >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/
                      >> >> >
                      >> >> > Santa's Pickup Lines #10 - Hey Babe, when was the last time you
                      >> >> > did it in a sleigh?
                      >> >> >
                      >> >>
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4820 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/7/2008
                      Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: <DLeistikow@...>
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:59 AM
                      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] VARNEY 64' PULLMANS


                      > Well done, Don. Quite interesting and the photographic file, leaves no
                      > doubt as to the car's appearance. A photograph, is worth a thousand
                      > words.
                      >
                      > I too sort by Road Name or Initials first. Hence my lead comment in the
                      > posting of my PULLMAN cars. beneath that is the car number or name,
                      > then on the same line opposite, the AAR Class initials.
                      >
                      > I have long thought that this piece of railroadiana, should be extended
                      > into the hobby and carried as additional information for cataloging and
                      > record purposes. Even more important with Vintage rolling stock against
                      > today's offerings. Greatly enhancing a spread sheet for cross
                      > referencing.
                      >
                      > This would be first generated by the Hobby Industry manufacturers in
                      > their Catalogs and advertising. Perhaps, we could lobby this idea.
                      >
                      > Don L.

                      Joe Russ was talking a few years ago about some people under the auspices of
                      the NMRA compiling an "all time / all manufacturers" catalog, but nothing
                      ever came of it. I had been doing something like that for HO just on my
                      own for about 20 years, but I wasn't recording any catalog numbers or
                      variations so it wasn't much good (just a listing like "over the years
                      Athearn made plastic 40' box cars in these road names" sort of thing.

                      HOWEVER, the databases that Chuck and others have been building for various
                      manufacturers and the data they're posting in the files section could
                      definitely be the start of just such a project (not that it would ever be
                      completed in our lifetimes though).

                      Don

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                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4821 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/7/2008
                      Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn? Hi All,

                          The one Silver Streak tank car I could locate quickly is the Shell Chemical Ray mentions (SCMX # 519).  Silver Streak’s catalogue number is SS 601.  If I find any more of these cars, I’ll report the numbers.

                                                                                                                                                                      Lou G.


                      On 1/7/08 12:02 AM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:


                       
                       

                      Hi Garry,  After reading your post, it just struck me that Silver
                      Streak produced tank cars (wood/aluminum foil wrapper), even though I
                      have a few of them (built up); I had forgotten about them.  Checking
                      back through all the Walthers catalogs I have, I cannot come up with
                      any of them.  I'm not sure when they were discontinued, but I know
                      Pacific HO released them quite early, like in the early 1950's.  If
                      they were discontinued within a short time span of that, this would
                      explain why they're not found in the Walthers catalogs, since Walthers
                      did not carry other manufacturers back then.

                      I did find all the Pacific HO/ Silver Streak tank cars both in the 1950
                      and the 1953 Model Railroad Equipment Corporation (Carmen Webster)
                      catalogs, but the listings do not have them inventoried with the
                      Pacific HO kit number, only their own.  If you have the catalog numbers
                      for these Silver Streak tank cars, could you please forward them to
                      Chuck.  They would include: Conoco, General American Tank - GATX, Shell
                      Chemical - SCMX (# 519) and Texaco.  I don't know of any others unless
                      you do.  Many thanks,  Ray

                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Garry Spear" <garrettspear@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi Ray,
                      >
                      >
                      > Not real easy to do.  The spread sheet contains: Athearn, Globe,
                      > International, Mantua, MDC, Pacific Pike, Silver Streak (metal Tanks),
                      > Thomas (tank cars), Ulrich, & Varney.  The list is my observations and
                      > inventor.  
                      >
                      > Garry Spear
                      >
                      > >  
                      > >
                      >

                       
                          
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4822 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 1/7/2008
                      Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                      ...
                      I have seen them in three color variations, tuscan (which
                      > were also given away as cereal box premiums in the early 1950's,
                      that's how
                      > my late Godfather got his), two-tone gray, and two tone blue. I
                      have an
                      > almost complete set of the blue ones, (all except the combine_, and
                      I am
                      > currently BUILDING, car by car, some of the gray ones for another list
                      > member.
                      ...
                      >
                      > Don


                      The Clear-Sides lightweight cars also came in yellow with a green
                      letterboard. I recently sold a bunch of these sides on e-Bay.
                      Unfortunately, I ditched the photo.

                      Walter
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4823 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/7/2008
                      Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:51 AM
                      Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?


                      > Great find Don, those Silver Streak tankers have to be rare. Yes,
                      > please let us know the kit number and the rest of the details. I
                      > have the road number for the Conaco and the color was silver (but no
                      > box -- no kit number). Also have the kit number and road number for
                      > the GATX, but I don't remember the color (probably black?); its well
                      > buried and wouldn't find it easily. Ray

                      GOT THE SILVER STREAK TANK.

                      Now, here's the skinny, with a kicker at the end!

                      Box just reads "Silver Streak" "8000 gallon single dome tank car" "SS 601"
                      "$2.60"

                      No road name.

                      Side of box says "The Silver Streak Line" "Mfgd. by Silver Streak
                      Corporation - Los Angeles, Calif.'

                      The Car itself is an SP yellow gasoline service car, just like the my
                      Athearn, but road No. 58555. (Which appears on your Athearn list)

                      The Instruction sheet is ATHEARN. copyright 1950, I.R. Athearn, drawn by
                      J.J. Munson.

                      There's also a separate sheet included stating the car is painted with "High
                      Ball" model railroad paints mfg. by Practra Chemical Company, Los Angeles 13
                      Calif., and states their yellow is a match for this kit.

                      It seems to me a stretch that a complete, no parts missing, Athearn car body
                      still wrapped in wax paper, would find it's way into a Silver Streak tank
                      car box.
                      It appears that the Silver Streak tankers were made by Athearn at the time
                      Athearn was advertising "O Scale Only".

                      Don

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                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4824 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/7/2008
                      Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Walter J. Bayer II" <bayerw@...>
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:50 PM
                      Subject: [vintageHO] Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS


                      > ...
                      > I have seen them in three color variations, tuscan (which
                      >> were also given away as cereal box premiums in the early 1950's,
                      > that's how
                      >> my late Godfather got his), two-tone gray, and two tone blue. I
                      > have an
                      >> almost complete set of the blue ones, (all except the combine_, and
                      > I am
                      >> currently BUILDING, car by car, some of the gray ones for another list
                      >> member.
                      > ...
                      >>
                      >> Don
                      >
                      >
                      > The Clear-Sides lightweight cars also came in yellow with a green
                      > letterboard. I recently sold a bunch of these sides on e-Bay.
                      > Unfortunately, I ditched the photo.
                      >
                      > Walter

                      I saw those. Were they same length as the grey ones we're doing? I passed
                      on the auction because it looked like they were "shorty" cars.

                      Don

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                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4825 From: Walter J. Bayer II Date: 1/7/2008
                      Subject: Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "Walter J. Bayer II" <bayerw@...>
                      > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:50 PM
                      > Subject: [vintageHO] Re: VARNEY 64' PULLMANS
                      >
                      >
                      > > ...
                      > > I have seen them in three color variations, tuscan (which
                      > >> were also given away as cereal box premiums in the early 1950's,
                      > > that's how
                      > >> my late Godfather got his), two-tone gray, and two tone blue. I
                      > > have an
                      > >> almost complete set of the blue ones, (all except the combine_, and
                      > > I am
                      > >> currently BUILDING, car by car, some of the gray ones for another
                      list
                      > >> member.
                      > > ...
                      > >>
                      > >> Don
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > The Clear-Sides lightweight cars also came in yellow with a green
                      > > letterboard. I recently sold a bunch of these sides on e-Bay.
                      > > Unfortunately, I ditched the photo.
                      > >
                      > > Walter
                      >
                      > I saw those. Were they same length as the grey ones we're doing? I
                      passed
                      > on the auction because it looked like they were "shorty" cars.
                      >
                      > Don
                      >
                      > don.dellmann@...
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                      >
                      Don,

                      Yes, they were shorties. Baggage coaches and coaches.

                      Walter
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4826 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/7/2008
                      Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn? Don,

                          I believe that what you have is an Athearn tank car kit in a Silver Streak box.  Your box, as described below, is exactly like the one I mentioned in my email to the group earlier today.  But the contents of my box are parts for a Shell Chemical tank car.  The body consists of a silver-colored foil wrapper, with black lettering, meant to be applied around a wooden dowel.  The underframe is very different from Athearn’s.  It’s made up of four separate soft metal castings.  The instruction sheet is included with this kit.  It has the Silver Streak logo at the top, and the illustrations match the car I just described.  The instructions are dated 9-9-49 and, interestingly enough, are credited to J. J. Munson whose name also appears on Athearn instruction sheets, including yours.

                                                                                                                                                                          Lou Greiff


                      On 1/7/08 4:29 PM, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...> wrote:


                       
                       


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "erieberk" <erieberk@... <mailto:erieberk%40wmconnect.com> >
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> >
                      Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:51 AM
                      Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

                      > Great find Don, those Silver Streak tankers have to be rare.  Yes,
                      > please let us know the kit number and the rest of the details.  I
                      > have the road number for the Conaco and the color was silver (but no
                      > box -- no kit number).  Also have the kit number and road number for
                      > the GATX, but I don't remember the color (probably black?); its well
                      > buried and wouldn't find it easily.  Ray

                      GOT THE SILVER STREAK TANK.

                      Now, here's the skinny, with a kicker at the end!

                      Box just reads "Silver Streak" "8000 gallon single dome tank car" "SS 601"
                      "$2.60"

                      No road name.

                      Side of box says "The Silver Streak Line"  "Mfgd. by  Silver Streak
                      Corporation - Los Angeles, Calif.'

                      The Car itself is an SP yellow gasoline service car, just like the my
                      Athearn, but road No. 58555.  (Which appears on your Athearn list)

                      The Instruction sheet is ATHEARN.  copyright 1950, I.R. Athearn, drawn by
                      J.J. Munson.

                      There's also a separate sheet included stating the car is painted with "High
                      Ball" model railroad paints mfg. by Practra Chemical Company, Los Angeles 13
                      Calif., and states their yellow is a match for this kit.

                      It seems to me a stretch that a complete, no parts missing, Athearn car body
                      still wrapped in wax paper, would find it's way into a Silver Streak tank
                      car box.
                      It appears that the Silver Streak tankers were made by Athearn at the time
                      Athearn was advertising "O Scale Only".

                      Don

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                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4827 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/7/2008
                      Subject: Hart Gondolas
                      erieberk wrote:
                      >
                      > (12) The Walthers 792 Hart Gondolas, kit #161 through #169 need to be
                      > placed separately at the end, as these cars are original Pacific HO
                      > Silver Streak (with different kit numbers), otherwise, it looks
                      > confusing. Their original kit numbers are #500 through #509.

                      Speaking of these kits, does anybody have a good alternative to the
                      folded cardboard middle section used on these? I did build one up
                      substituting some scribed siding material that I cut to about the same
                      pattern, but I'm not entirely pleased with that.

                      --

                      Rick Jones

                      The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
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                      My reality check just bounced.
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4828 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/7/2008
                      Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

                      I find it is easier to make corrections to something then nothing, so the first draft is ready for the changes.

                      1) Yes, I added the color notes by each line, so that it was there as opposed to reading the note at the bottom.  It makes for a consistent list with the color listed like the other cars.

                       

                      2) I listed the Pacific HO numbers first in the group.  I did not know of the 929 to 792 change, but wonder if we should add a column for the second set of numbers?  Or do the rows first with the PH # and then the Walthers?  Or just add another note.  We could remove the color notes, I think.

                       

                      3), missed that one.  I put in the short color, sorted by that column and then fixed the colors.

                       

                      I have run out of time tonight.  I will get to the rest soon.  I agree that the cabooses should be in a row and will shift them around.  I had not received the other cars PH numbers, but from your notes below can add them, in front of the 792 numbers.

                       

                      More tomorrow

                       

                       

                      Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                       

                      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
                      Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:44 AM
                      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

                       

                      Hi Chuck, I got the chance to check out your Silver Streak file, and
                      it looks like its laid out fine -- same as the MDC and easy to
                      follow. There are a number of things that I'd like to draw your
                      attention to, but am hoping you know its not criticism. We did have
                      to make corrections on the MDC at that time also, but it turned out
                      great. I was going to tell you to hold off until you got all my
                      info, when you mentioned you'd start with the Walthers 1989 catalog,
                      as it could have (and needs) to be rearranged differently in my
                      opinion, but I didn't want to discourage you from starting; you
                      seemed kind of eager. I also was hoping to save you from making too
                      many unneeded corrections, but to have this spread sheet to be able
                      to read where its not confusing, I think all the later Walthers needs
                      to be added at the end, after the earlier listing, noting this
                      overlapping situation with the time-frames involved. Many of your
                      1989 Walthers kit numbers for Silver Streak, using the Walthers
                      prefix number 792, overlap the earlier mid- '70 - mid ' 80 Walthers
                      (prefix # 929) Silver Streak using different road names, which is
                      impossible to understand unless the later Walthers kit numbers/road
                      names are separated from the earlier ones, and attentiion is made as
                      to why. This especially goes for the reefer kit numbers #423 through
                      #433, but most other groups are involved also.

                      Okay, starting from the beginning, I spotted these thing that seem to
                      need addressing, and I'm not trying to nit-pick.

                      (1) For starters, I see where you included my Notations -- All box
                      cars are box car red except as noted, All cabooses are caboose red
                      except as noted, and then you unnecessarily filled in those colors in
                      the description, which I don't quite understand.

                      (2) I note you have the higher kit number (4-Wheel Bobber) cabooses
                      first. I would have started with the lowest (Regular) caboose kit
                      numbers (#110 through #128)and gone up from there.

                      (3) The kit #176 EJ&E (Chicago Outer Belt) caboose's color
                      description is RY Couldn't figure that one out at first myself.
                      Might as well change it to Reefer Yellow like all the rest of those
                      same descriptions.

                      (4) The kit #110 SP caboose is 30' -- not 36'.

                      (5) The kit #111 UP caboose is 30' -- not 36'.

                      (6) The kit #112 B&O caboose is 28'.

                      (7) The kit #113 GN caboose is 24'.

                      (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut short
                      to 2183.

                      (9) The kit #121 Unlettered (undec.) caboose; NONE = No Number, so it
                      can be removed from the kit number description slot.

                      (10) The kit #122 MILW caboose should likewise have the complete road
                      number -- 0255, not 255.

                      (11) The kit #128 MKT caboose is Reefer Yellow.

                      (12) The Walthers 792 Hart Gondolas, kit #161 through #169 need to be
                      placed separately at the end, as these cars are original Pacific HO
                      Silver Streak (with different kit numbers), otherwise, it looks
                      confusing. Their original kit numbers are #500 through #509.

                      (13) Ditto for the 36' wood box cars. Their original Walthers Silver
                      Streak kit numbers are #228 through #233, which should be noted
                      before these later Walthers kit numbers.

                      (14) The 40' box cars -- series starting with kit number #201 -- I
                      again, I would have put these before the higher number 36' box cars.

                      (15) The 40' truss-rod reefers -- these are original Pacfic HO Silver
                      Streak kits and should reflect the original Pacific HO kit numbers,
                      at least at first, and not reflect the revised Walthers kit numbers
                      until the end (separately) .

                      (16) Ditto for the 40' truss-rod box cars. Incidentally, these cars
                      were originally lumped as "Truss-Rod Cars" by Pacifc HO, and they had
                      the same kit number sequence, but its probably best to separate them
                      as you had especially since their kit number series are now different.

                      (17) Ditto for the 50' DD auto cars; The original Pacific HO kit
                      numbers were #300 through #303 (and the early Walthers with different
                      additional roads were #351 through #356). This needs to be first
                      brought to a reader's attention.

                      (18) Ditto for the MOW car kits.

                      (19) Ditto for the truss-rod cabooses.

                      (20) Drovers and Combination cabooses -- ought to be lumped after the
                      other cabooses separately.

                      (21) You're missing Drover & Combine caboose kit number #130 ATSF --
                      Box Car Red.

                      (22) I don't see a need to have the C&NW Mechanical Reefer kit number
                      #401 listed in a separate category since its part of the same (and
                      original) Pacific HO grouping of kit numbers #401 through #420, which
                      also included another C&NW Mechanical Reefer kit (#415). Also, some
                      reefers in the same grouping were specified as for Ice Service only --
                      there'd be no sense to keep them separate.

                      That's about it, except for the later 1989 Walthers kit numbers not
                      jiving with the same earlier Walthers kit numbers, having different
                      road names. Realizing this, maybe we should include the earlier
                      Walthers prefer number (#929) for these kits as well to differentiate
                      them from everything else, although I thought my "Notes" would have
                      covered that. Let me know what you think on that. Best, Ray

                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
                      wrote:

                      >
                      > Well I have put the file up for the Pacific HO and Silver Streak
                      cars. Let
                      > me know how it looks.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                      [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of Don Dellmann
                      > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:04 PM
                      > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@wmconnect .
                      <mailto:erieberk%
                      40wmconnect. com> com>
                      > To: <vintageHO@yahoogro u <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                      ps.com>
                      > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:58 PM
                      > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      >
                      > > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even though
                      > > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long discontinued
                      by
                      > > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting
                      numbers
                      > > from the larger photos, if you can make them out. I should have
                      the
                      > > rest of this to you shortly, but not tonight. The format you used
                      > > with the MDC would be just great. When we get to the Globe, you
                      can
                      > > use the info Garry was kind enough to send in and I'll fill you
                      in on
                      > > the rest -- or I'll just combine both lists here and send it all
                      at
                      > > once. Ray
                      >
                      > If it's any help, I have Walthers catalogs back to about 1969 which
                      would be
                      >
                      > the Pacific HO numbers.
                      >
                      > Don
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4829 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/8/2008
                      Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      I would say you're right.  It's a moot point, as I was going through the kit I said "There's no underframe", then I realized most of the loose pieces in the bottom were what was left of the underframe as it succumbed to lead rot.
                       
                      Well, I have a good stock of tank car spare parts.
                       
                      No great loss, in the same package was an interesting "Middlebrook" WOOD car kit for a rib side streamliner,  rather poorly proportioned (the roof looks WAY too high, and the windows low, I'll post pics tonight)., a late Walthers Silver Streak GB&W reefer I've always wanted (which is under construction already) and another Kasiner 80' coach to augment the one I already had.
                       
                      Don
                       
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 5:57 PM
                      Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

                      Don,

                          I believe that what you have is an Athearn tank car kit in a Silver Streak box.  Your box, as described below, is exactly like the one I mentioned in my email to the group earlier today.  But the contents of my box are parts for a Shell Chemical tank car.  The body consists of a silver-colored foil wrapper, with black lettering, meant to be applied around a wooden dowel.  The underframe is very different from Athearn’s.  It’s made up of four separate soft metal castings.  The instruction sheet is included with this kit.  It has the Silver Streak logo at the top, and the illustrations match the car I just described.  The instructions are dated 9-9-49 and, interestingly enough, are credited to J. J. Munson whose name also appears on Athearn instruction sheets, including yours.

                                                                                                                                                                          Lou Greiff


                      On 1/7/08 4:29 PM, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...> wrote:

                       
                       


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "erieberk" <erieberk@... <mailto:erieberk%40wmconnect.com> >
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> >
                      Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:51 AM
                      Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

                      > Great find Don, those Silver Streak tankers have to be rare.  Yes,
                      > please let us know the kit number and the rest of the details.  I
                      > have the road number for the Conaco and the color was silver (but no
                      > box -- no kit number).  Also have the kit number and road number for
                      > the GATX, but I don't remember the color (probably black?); its well
                      > buried and wouldn't find it easily.  Ray

                      GOT THE SILVER STREAK TANK.

                      Now, here's the skinny, with a kicker at the end!

                      Box just reads "Silver Streak" "8000 gallon single dome tank car" "SS 601"
                      "$2.60"

                      No road name.

                      Side of box says "The Silver Streak Line"  "Mfgd. by  Silver Streak
                      Corporation - Los Angeles, Calif.'

                      The Car itself is an SP yellow gasoline service car, just like the my
                      Athearn, but road No. 58555.  (Which appears on your Athearn list)

                      The Instruction sheet is ATHEARN.  copyright 1950, I.R. Athearn, drawn by
                      J.J. Munson.

                      There's also a separate sheet included stating the car is painted with "High
                      Ball" model railroad paints mfg. by Practra Chemical Company, Los Angeles 13
                      Calif., and states their yellow is a match for this kit.

                      It seems to me a stretch that a complete, no parts missing, Athearn car body
                      still wrapped in wax paper, would find it's way into a Silver Streak tank
                      car box.
                      It appears that the Silver Streak tankers were made by Athearn at the time
                      Athearn was advertising "O Scale Only".

                      Don

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                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4830 From: erieberk Date: 1/8/2008
                      Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some you
                      already have, after first going with that information; at least you
                      had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to do
                      double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I agree,
                      you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot more
                      work to have to type each color in though.

                      After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792 listings,
                      either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group (Cabooses,
                      Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of Walthers
                      kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do the
                      same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be best to
                      have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier (929)
                      production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792, and
                      then do all the Walthers (792) later production.

                      I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                      original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number, then
                      Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued to
                      make).

                      A variation of the listing method proposed in the second paragraph,
                      which I think might be even better, would be to first list all the
                      Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production remakes of
                      Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have to make
                      a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the NEW
                      Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO. Then
                      finally, all of the later (792) production.

                      For instance:

                      Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak

                      Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture

                      Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production

                      Walthers (792) -- Later Production

                      For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      groupings like this, one grouping after the other, in "chronological"
                      order. That would best separate them all as to approximately when
                      they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                      think. Ray


                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > I find it is easier to make corrections to something then nothing,
                      so the
                      > first draft is ready for the changes.
                      >
                      > 1) Yes, I added the color notes by each line, so that it was there
                      as
                      > opposed to reading the note at the bottom. It makes for a
                      consistent list
                      > with the color listed like the other cars.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > 2) I listed the Pacific HO numbers first in the group. I did not
                      know of
                      > the 929 to 792 change, but wonder if we should add a column for the
                      second
                      > set of numbers? Or do the rows first with the PH # and then the
                      Walthers?
                      > Or just add another note. We could remove the color notes, I think.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > 3), missed that one. I put in the short color, sorted by that
                      column and
                      > then fixed the colors.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > I have run out of time tonight. I will get to the rest soon. I
                      agree that
                      > the cabooses should be in a row and will shift them around. I had
                      not
                      > received the other cars PH numbers, but from your notes below can
                      add them,
                      > in front of the 792 numbers.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > More tomorrow
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of erieberk
                      > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:44 AM
                      > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual
                      Athearn?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Chuck, I got the chance to check out your Silver Streak file,
                      and
                      > it looks like its laid out fine -- same as the MDC and easy to
                      > follow. There are a number of things that I'd like to draw your
                      > attention to, but am hoping you know its not criticism. We did have
                      > to make corrections on the MDC at that time also, but it turned out
                      > great. I was going to tell you to hold off until you got all my
                      > info, when you mentioned you'd start with the Walthers 1989
                      catalog,
                      > as it could have (and needs) to be rearranged differently in my
                      > opinion, but I didn't want to discourage you from starting; you
                      > seemed kind of eager. I also was hoping to save you from making too
                      > many unneeded corrections, but to have this spread sheet to be able
                      > to read where its not confusing, I think all the later Walthers
                      needs
                      > to be added at the end, after the earlier listing, noting this
                      > overlapping situation with the time-frames involved. Many of your
                      > 1989 Walthers kit numbers for Silver Streak, using the Walthers
                      > prefix number 792, overlap the earlier mid- '70 - mid ' 80 Walthers
                      > (prefix # 929) Silver Streak using different road names, which is
                      > impossible to understand unless the later Walthers kit numbers/road
                      > names are separated from the earlier ones, and attentiion is made
                      as
                      > to why. This especially goes for the reefer kit numbers #423
                      through
                      > #433, but most other groups are involved also.
                      >
                      > Okay, starting from the beginning, I spotted these thing that seem
                      to
                      > need addressing, and I'm not trying to nit-pick.
                      >
                      > (1) For starters, I see where you included my Notations -- All box
                      > cars are box car red except as noted, All cabooses are caboose red
                      > except as noted, and then you unnecessarily filled in those colors
                      in
                      > the description, which I don't quite understand.
                      >
                      > (2) I note you have the higher kit number (4-Wheel Bobber) cabooses
                      > first. I would have started with the lowest (Regular) caboose kit
                      > numbers (#110 through #128)and gone up from there.
                      >
                      > (3) The kit #176 EJ&E (Chicago Outer Belt) caboose's color
                      > description is RY Couldn't figure that one out at first myself.
                      > Might as well change it to Reefer Yellow like all the rest of those
                      > same descriptions.
                      >
                      > (4) The kit #110 SP caboose is 30' -- not 36'.
                      >
                      > (5) The kit #111 UP caboose is 30' -- not 36'.
                      >
                      > (6) The kit #112 B&O caboose is 28'.
                      >
                      > (7) The kit #113 GN caboose is 24'.
                      >
                      > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut
                      short
                      > to 2183.
                      >
                      > (9) The kit #121 Unlettered (undec.) caboose; NONE = No Number, so
                      it
                      > can be removed from the kit number description slot.
                      >
                      > (10) The kit #122 MILW caboose should likewise have the complete
                      road
                      > number -- 0255, not 255.
                      >
                      > (11) The kit #128 MKT caboose is Reefer Yellow.
                      >
                      > (12) The Walthers 792 Hart Gondolas, kit #161 through #169 need to
                      be
                      > placed separately at the end, as these cars are original Pacific HO
                      > Silver Streak (with different kit numbers), otherwise, it looks
                      > confusing. Their original kit numbers are #500 through #509.
                      >
                      > (13) Ditto for the 36' wood box cars. Their original Walthers
                      Silver
                      > Streak kit numbers are #228 through #233, which should be noted
                      > before these later Walthers kit numbers.
                      >
                      > (14) The 40' box cars -- series starting with kit number #201 -- I
                      > again, I would have put these before the higher number 36' box cars.
                      >
                      > (15) The 40' truss-rod reefers -- these are original Pacfic HO
                      Silver
                      > Streak kits and should reflect the original Pacific HO kit numbers,
                      > at least at first, and not reflect the revised Walthers kit numbers
                      > until the end (separately).
                      >
                      > (16) Ditto for the 40' truss-rod box cars. Incidentally, these cars
                      > were originally lumped as "Truss-Rod Cars" by Pacifc HO, and they
                      had
                      > the same kit number sequence, but its probably best to separate
                      them
                      > as you had especially since their kit number series are now
                      different.
                      >
                      > (17) Ditto for the 50' DD auto cars; The original Pacific HO kit
                      > numbers were #300 through #303 (and the early Walthers with
                      different
                      > additional roads were #351 through #356). This needs to be first
                      > brought to a reader's attention.
                      >
                      > (18) Ditto for the MOW car kits.
                      >
                      > (19) Ditto for the truss-rod cabooses.
                      >
                      > (20) Drovers and Combination cabooses -- ought to be lumped after
                      the
                      > other cabooses separately.
                      >
                      > (21) You're missing Drover & Combine caboose kit number #130 ATSF --

                      > Box Car Red.
                      >
                      > (22) I don't see a need to have the C&NW Mechanical Reefer kit
                      number
                      > #401 listed in a separate category since its part of the same (and
                      > original) Pacific HO grouping of kit numbers #401 through #420,
                      which
                      > also included another C&NW Mechanical Reefer kit (#415). Also, some
                      > reefers in the same grouping were specified as for Ice Service
                      only --
                      > there'd be no sense to keep them separate.
                      >
                      > That's about it, except for the later 1989 Walthers kit numbers not
                      > jiving with the same earlier Walthers kit numbers, having different
                      > road names. Realizing this, maybe we should include the earlier
                      > Walthers prefer number (#929) for these kits as well to
                      differentiate
                      > them from everything else, although I thought my "Notes" would have
                      > covered that. Let me know what you think on that. Best, Ray
                      >
                      > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com,
                      > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Well I have put the file up for the Pacific HO and Silver Streak
                      > cars. Let
                      > > me know how it looks.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                      > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > _____
                      > >
                      > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com
                      > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com]
                      > On Behalf
                      > > Of Don Dellmann
                      > > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:04 PM
                      > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com
                      > > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@wmconnect. <mailto:erieberk%
                      > 40wmconnect.com> com>
                      > > To: <vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > ps.com>
                      > > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:58 PM
                      > > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      > >
                      > > > Chuck, I guess the Walthers 1989 might be of some help even
                      though
                      > > > it won't give you the Pacific HO that has been long
                      discontinued
                      > by
                      > > > that time. You might also be able to pick up a few reporting
                      > numbers
                      > > > from the larger photos, if you can make them out. I should have
                      > the
                      > > > rest of this to you shortly, but not tonight. The format you
                      used
                      > > > with the MDC would be just great. When we get to the Globe, you
                      > can
                      > > > use the info Garry was kind enough to send in and I'll fill you
                      > in on
                      > > > the rest -- or I'll just combine both lists here and send it
                      all
                      > at
                      > > > once. Ray
                      > >
                      > > If it's any help, I have Walthers catalogs back to about 1969
                      which
                      > would be
                      > >
                      > > the Pacific HO numbers.
                      > >
                      > > Don
                      > >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4831 From: erieberk Date: 1/8/2008
                      Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      Don, Glad to hear you received the kit, but as Lou said, this is a
                      mixture of Athearn (and Silver Streak, if there are any) parts.
                      Still good stuff if you don't already have the Athearn SP Gasoline
                      tank car, but this is definitely not Silver Streak production. BTW,
                      the SS kit #601 is GATX 1001. Ray


                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Louis Greiff <louie113@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Don,
                      >
                      > I believe that what you have is an Athearn tank car kit in a
                      Silver
                      > Streak box. Your box, as described below, is exactly like the one I
                      > mentioned in my email to the group earlier today. But the contents
                      of my
                      > box are parts for a Shell Chemical tank car. The body consists of a
                      > silver-colored foil wrapper, with black lettering, meant to be
                      applied
                      > around a wooden dowel. The underframe is very different from
                      Athearn¹s.
                      > It¹s made up of four separate soft metal castings. The instruction
                      sheet is
                      > included with this kit. It has the Silver Streak logo at the top,
                      and the
                      > illustrations match the car I just described. The instructions are
                      dated
                      > 9-9-49 and, interestingly enough, are credited to J. J. Munson
                      whose name
                      > also appears on Athearn instruction sheets, including yours.
                      >
                      >
                      > Lou Greiff
                      >
                      >
                      > On 1/7/08 4:29 PM, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@... <mailto:erieberk%40wmconnect.com> >
                      > > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%
                      40yahoogroups.com> >
                      > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:51 AM
                      > > Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      > >
                      > >> > Great find Don, those Silver Streak tankers have to be rare.
                      Yes,
                      > >> > please let us know the kit number and the rest of the
                      details. I
                      > >> > have the road number for the Conaco and the color was silver
                      (but no
                      > >> > box -- no kit number). Also have the kit number and road
                      number for
                      > >> > the GATX, but I don't remember the color (probably black?);
                      its well
                      > >> > buried and wouldn't find it easily. Ray
                      > >
                      > > GOT THE SILVER STREAK TANK.
                      > >
                      > > Now, here's the skinny, with a kicker at the end!
                      > >
                      > > Box just reads "Silver Streak" "8000 gallon single dome tank
                      car" "SS 601"
                      > > "$2.60"
                      > >
                      > > No road name.
                      > >
                      > > Side of box says "The Silver Streak Line" "Mfgd. by Silver
                      Streak
                      > > Corporation - Los Angeles, Calif.'
                      > >
                      > > The Car itself is an SP yellow gasoline service car, just like
                      the my
                      > > Athearn, but road No. 58555. (Which appears on your Athearn list)
                      > >
                      > > The Instruction sheet is ATHEARN. copyright 1950, I.R. Athearn,
                      drawn by
                      > > J.J. Munson.
                      > >
                      > > There's also a separate sheet included stating the car is painted
                      with "High
                      > > Ball" model railroad paints mfg. by Practra Chemical Company, Los
                      Angeles 13
                      > > Calif., and states their yellow is a match for this kit.
                      > >
                      > > It seems to me a stretch that a complete, no parts missing,
                      Athearn car body
                      > > still wrapped in wax paper, would find it's way into a Silver
                      Streak tank
                      > > car box.
                      > > It appears that the Silver Streak tankers were made by Athearn at
                      the time
                      > > Athearn was advertising "O Scale Only".
                      > >
                      > > Don
                      > >
                      > > don.dellmann@... <mailto:don.dellmann%40prodigy.net>
                      > > http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                      > > Owner-Moderator
                      > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                      > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
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                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4832 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/8/2008
                      Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn? If Silver Streak’s SS kit # 601 is GATX 1001, does anyone know the correct kit number for Shell Chemical S.C.M.X. 519, which is the car inside my SS 601 box?  Thanks.

                                                                                                                                          Lou Greiff


                      On 1/8/08 10:42 AM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:


                       
                       

                      Don,  Glad to hear you received the kit, but as Lou said, this is a
                      mixture of Athearn (and Silver Streak, if there are any) parts.  
                      Still good stuff if you don't already have the Athearn SP Gasoline
                      tank car, but this is definitely not Silver Streak production.  BTW,
                      the SS kit #601 is GATX 1001.   Ray

                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> , Louis Greiff <louie113@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Don,
                      >
                      >     I believe that what you have is an Athearn tank car kit in a
                      Silver
                      > Streak box.  Your box, as described below, is exactly like the one I
                      > mentioned in my email to the group earlier today.  But the contents
                      of my
                      > box are parts for a Shell Chemical tank car.  The body consists of a
                      > silver-colored foil wrapper, with black lettering, meant to be
                      applied
                      > around a wooden dowel.  The underframe is very different from
                      Athearn’s.
                      > It’s made up of four separate soft metal castings.  The instruction
                      sheet is
                      > included with this kit.  It has the Silver Streak logo at the top,
                      and the
                      > illustrations match the car I just described.  The instructions are
                      dated
                      > 9-9-49 and, interestingly enough, are credited to J. J. Munson
                      whose name
                      > also appears on Athearn instruction sheets, including yours.
                      >
                      >                    
                      > Lou Greiff
                      >
                      >
                      > On 1/7/08 4:29 PM, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > >  
                      > >  
                      > >  
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@... <mailto:erieberk%40wmconnect.com> >
                      > > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:vintageHO%
                      40yahoogroups.com> >
                      > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:51 AM
                      > > Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      > >
                      > >> > Great find Don, those Silver Streak tankers have to be rare.  
                      Yes,
                      > >> > please let us know the kit number and the rest of the
                      details.  I
                      > >> > have the road number for the Conaco and the color was silver
                      (but no
                      > >> > box -- no kit number).  Also have the kit number and road
                      number for
                      > >> > the GATX, but I don't remember the color (probably black?);
                      its well
                      > >> > buried and wouldn't find it easily.  Ray
                      > >
                      > > GOT THE SILVER STREAK TANK.
                      > >
                      > > Now, here's the skinny, with a kicker at the end!
                      > >
                      > > Box just reads "Silver Streak" "8000 gallon single dome tank
                      car" "SS 601"
                      > > "$2.60"
                      > >
                      > > No road name.
                      > >
                      > > Side of box says "The Silver Streak Line"  "Mfgd. by  Silver
                      Streak
                      > > Corporation - Los Angeles, Calif.'
                      > >
                      > > The Car itself is an SP yellow gasoline service car, just like
                      the my
                      > > Athearn, but road No. 58555.  (Which appears on your Athearn list)
                      > >
                      > > The Instruction sheet is ATHEARN.  copyright 1950, I.R. Athearn,
                      drawn by
                      > > J.J. Munson.
                      > >
                      > > There's also a separate sheet included stating the car is painted
                      with "High
                      > > Ball" model railroad paints mfg. by Practra Chemical Company, Los
                      Angeles 13
                      > > Calif., and states their yellow is a match for this kit.
                      > >
                      > > It seems to me a stretch that a complete, no parts missing,
                      Athearn car body
                      > > still wrapped in wax paper, would find it's way into a Silver
                      Streak tank
                      > > car box.
                      > > It appears that the Silver Streak tankers were made by Athearn at
                      the time
                      > > Athearn was advertising "O Scale Only".
                      > >
                      > > Don
                      > >
                      > > don.dellmann@... <mailto:don.dellmann%40prodigy.net>
                      > > http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                      > > Owner-Moderator
                      > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                      > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                      > > Co-owner
                      > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY
                      > >
                      > >  
                      > >
                      >

                       
                          
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4833 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/8/2008
                      Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:42 AM
                      Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?


                      Don, Glad to hear you received the kit, but as Lou said, this is a
                      mixture of Athearn (and Silver Streak, if there are any) parts.
                      Still good stuff if you don't already have the Athearn SP Gasoline
                      tank car, but this is definitely not Silver Streak production. BTW,
                      the SS kit #601 is GATX 1001. Ray

                      'cept I already DID have an Athearn metal in the SP gasoline yellow, just a
                      different road number.

                      I may be able to fabricate a frame, it's just a "back burner" project for
                      now.

                      Don
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4834 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/8/2008
                      Subject: Re: Silver Streak

                      Hi Ray,

                      The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.

                       

                      Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?

                       

                      Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                       

                      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
                      Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

                       

                      Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some you
                      already have, after first going with that information; at least you
                      had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to do
                      double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I agree,
                      you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot more
                      work to have to type each color in though.

                      After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792 listings,
                      either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group (Cabooses,
                      Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of Walthers
                      kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do the
                      same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be best to
                      have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier (929)
                      production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792, and
                      then do all the Walthers (792) later production.

                      I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                      original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number, then
                      Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued to
                      make).

                      A variation of the listing method proposed in the second paragraph,
                      which I think might be even better, would be to first list all the
                      Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production remakes of
                      Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have to make
                      a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the NEW
                      Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO. Then
                      finally, all of the later (792) production.

                      For instance:

                      Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak

                      Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture

                      Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production

                      Walthers (792) -- Later Production

                      For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      groupings like this, one grouping after the other, in "chronological"
                      order. That would best separate them all as to approximately when
                      they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                      think. Ray

                      > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut
                      short
                      > to 2183.
                      >
                      _._,___

                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4835 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/8/2008
                      Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                      I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section.  Also take a look at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.

                       

                      Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                       

                      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck Higdon
                      Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                       

                      Hi Ray,

                      The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.

                       

                      Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?

                       

                      Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104

                       

                      From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
                      Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                      Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?

                       

                      Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some you
                      already have, after first going with that information; at least you
                      had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to do
                      double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I agree,
                      you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot more
                      work to have to type each color in though.

                      After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792 listings,
                      either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group (Cabooses,
                      Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of Walthers
                      kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do the
                      same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be best to
                      have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier (929)
                      production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792, and
                      then do all the Walthers (792) later production.

                      I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                      original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number, then
                      Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued to
                      make).

                      A variation of the listing method proposed in the second paragraph,
                      which I think might be even better, would be to first list all the
                      Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production remakes of
                      Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have to make
                      a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the NEW
                      Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO. Then
                      finally, all of the later (792) production.

                      For instance:

                      Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak

                      Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture

                      Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production

                      Walthers (792) -- Later Production

                      For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      groupings like this, one grouping after the other, in "chronological"
                      order. That would best separate them all as to approximately when
                      they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                      think. Ray

                      > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut
                      short
                      > to 2183.
                      >
                      _._,___

                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4836 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: Re: Silver Streak
                      Hi Chuck, Oops, my mistake; must have looked back on the wrong number
                      when referring to my list as I was typing this. #120 Erie should be
                      04956 and #115 SP "Piggy Back" is 2183 (no "0" in front of this
                      one). Yeah, I thought it might be easiest to understand where the
                      kits started in their production from separating them into the groups
                      they started with.

                      Ray


                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi Ray,
                      >
                      > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of erieberk
                      > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual
                      > Athearn?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some you
                      > already have, after first going with that information; at least you
                      > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to do
                      > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I
                      agree,
                      > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot more
                      > work to have to type each color in though.
                      >
                      > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792 listings,
                      > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                      (Cabooses,
                      > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of Walthers
                      > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do the
                      > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be best
                      to
                      > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier (929)
                      > production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792, and
                      > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                      >
                      > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                      > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number,
                      then
                      > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued to
                      > make).
                      >
                      > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second paragraph,
                      > which I think might be even better, would be to first list all the
                      > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production remakes
                      of
                      > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have to
                      make
                      > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the NEW
                      > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO. Then
                      > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                      >
                      > For instance:
                      >
                      > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                      >
                      > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture
                      >
                      > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                      >
                      > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                      >
                      > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                      in "chronological"
                      > order. That would best separate them all as to approximately when
                      > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                      > think. Ray
                      >
                      > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut
                      > short
                      > > to 2183.
                      > >
                      > _._,___
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4837 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      Chuck, Okay, I've just checked out your latest draft. Although I
                      know you're eager to get something out, in looking it over I think it
                      might be best to wait until getting my whole input before making
                      corrections. For starters, NONE of the 4-Wheel Bobber Cabooses were
                      original Pacific HO production, but don't change that yet (please
                      wait until you get everything). The other thing is that almost all
                      of your Walthers 929 kit numbers are NOT 929 kit numbers. Of the
                      remaining 929 kit numbers you have which are actual 929 kit numbers,
                      none of the road names for these 929 kits numbers are correct. I
                      also note that you have the 729 Hart Gondolas listed right after the
                      Pacific HO Bobber Caboose (which can be eliminated for Pacific HO)
                      listing instead of having them at the end after the 929 listings, but
                      maybe you were just waiting for more data before moving them around
                      (?). Sorry to have to put you through all the extra work, but
                      perhaps you should have waited for my complete listings after all, as
                      it may be less confusing that way.

                      Oh, I guess you can eliminate the Note on your line 147 about the PH
                      Catalog #'s (PH#__), and the Walthers Catalog #'s (792#__), unless
                      you want to include the Walthers 929, with an explanation as to which
                      ones came first and also which 929's are Pacific HO re-do's, but I
                      don't think that's necessary if you have the full headings for these
                      four groups as I suggested. We can also do away with the Notes on
                      your pages 149 & 151 about the car colors since you're including them
                      all with every car. I'll start from scratch, first with all the
                      Pacific HO numbers (only), hopefully later today, then go to Walthers
                      929 re-makes of Pacific HO and then to all the Walthers 929 new kits
                      (that were never produced by Pacific HO). Best regards, Ray


                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section. Also
                      take a look
                      > at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of Chuck Higdon
                      > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                      > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Ray,
                      >
                      > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of erieberk
                      > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual
                      > Athearn?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some you
                      > already have, after first going with that information; at least you
                      > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to do
                      > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I
                      agree,
                      > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot more
                      > work to have to type each color in though.
                      >
                      > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792 listings,
                      > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                      (Cabooses,
                      > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of Walthers
                      > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do the
                      > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be best
                      to
                      > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier (929)
                      > production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792, and
                      > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                      >
                      > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                      > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number,
                      then
                      > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued to
                      > make).
                      >
                      > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second paragraph,
                      > which I think might be even better, would be to first list all the
                      > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production remakes
                      of
                      > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have to
                      make
                      > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the NEW
                      > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO. Then
                      > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                      >
                      > For instance:
                      >
                      > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                      >
                      > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture
                      >
                      > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                      >
                      > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                      >
                      > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                      in "chronological"
                      > order. That would best separate them all as to approximately when
                      > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                      > think. Ray
                      >
                      > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut
                      > short
                      > > to 2183.
                      > >
                      > _._,___
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4838 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      Bummer on already having one of these Athearn tankers. Maybe you can
                      return it (its not as advertised), although sometimes the extra
                      postage to return it isn't worth it. These are in demand though, so
                      shouldn't be too hard to pass it on to another collector. Just too
                      bad it wasn't a Silver Streak. Ray


                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                      > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:42 AM
                      > Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual Athearn?
                      >
                      >
                      > Don, Glad to hear you received the kit, but as Lou said, this is a
                      > mixture of Athearn (and Silver Streak, if there are any) parts.
                      > Still good stuff if you don't already have the Athearn SP Gasoline
                      > tank car, but this is definitely not Silver Streak production. BTW,
                      > the SS kit #601 is GATX 1001. Ray
                      >
                      > 'cept I already DID have an Athearn metal in the SP gasoline
                      yellow, just a
                      > different road number.
                      >
                      > I may be able to fabricate a frame, it's just a "back burner"
                      project for
                      > now.
                      >
                      > Don
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4839 From: Ray Hobin Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: Rivarossi parts
                      Any one know who stocks, if any, older Rivarossi parts...what I need is a
                      motor (part # 4154 ?? complete with worm gear) for the Krauss-Maffei
                      imported some 30+ years ago. I foolishly took mine apart and cannot get
                      all those tiny ball bearings back...not sure I haven't lost a few; the
                      result is the motor won't turn.
                      Ray Hobin

                      NMRA Life # 17XX; TCA # HR-78-XXXXX; ARHS # 2XXX
                      Durham, NC [Where tobacco was king; now The City of Medicine]
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4840 From: oljoeoh Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: Re: Rivarossi parts
                      Ray....
                      I did exactly what you are trying to do with those
                      miserable little ball bearings and the solution
                      is simple and cheap.
                      All you need to do is put some grease in the little
                      cup that retains (I hesistate to say hold) the
                      bearing set. Then put some of the same grease on
                      the little bearings and "pack" them into the cup
                      and they should stay put while you put in the
                      armature. Don't forget there is a matching set
                      of those critters on the bottom end also.

                      A side benefit is a much better running motor.
                      Note: You MUST have all of the bearings for that
                      motor to run. Short counts just don't cut it.
                      Joe O'Loughlin

                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Ray Hobin <tcol@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Any one know who stocks, if any, older Rivarossi parts...what I need
                      is a
                      > motor (part # 4154 ?? complete with worm gear) for the Krauss-Maffei
                      > imported some 30+ years ago. I foolishly took mine apart and cannot get
                      > all those tiny ball bearings back...not sure I haven't lost a few; the
                      > result is the motor won't turn.
                      > Ray Hobin
                      >
                      > NMRA Life # 17XX; TCA # HR-78-XXXXX; ARHS # 2XXX
                      > Durham, NC [Where tobacco was king; now The City of Medicine]
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4841 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: Re: Rivarossi parts
                      I don't know if it will help--but I think that drive was the same as the E-8
                      drive. But why mess with the little 3-pole motor--I think that the LifeLike
                      RSC-2 has the same axle spacing--do a complete drive transplant. gj (3
                      axles, equally spaced)
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Ray Hobin" <tcol@...>
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:52 AM
                      Subject: [vintageHO] Rivarossi parts


                      > Any one know who stocks, if any, older Rivarossi parts...what I need is a
                      > motor (part # 4154 ?? complete with worm gear) for the Krauss-Maffei
                      > imported some 30+ years ago. I foolishly took mine apart and cannot get
                      > all those tiny ball bearings back...not sure I haven't lost a few; the
                      > result is the motor won't turn.
                      > Ray Hobin
                      >
                      > NMRA Life # 17XX; TCA # HR-78-XXXXX; ARHS # 2XXX
                      > Durham, NC [Where tobacco was king; now The City of Medicine]
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4842 From: jerrygart5 Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: Re: Rivarossi parts
                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Ray Hobin <tcol@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Any one know who stocks, if any, older Rivarossi parts...what I need
                      is a
                      > motor (part # 4154 ?? complete with worm gear) for the Krauss-Maffei
                      > imported some 30+ years ago. I foolishly took mine apart and cannot
                      get
                      > all those tiny ball bearings back...not sure I haven't lost a few; the
                      > result is the motor won't turn.
                      > Ray Hobin
                      >
                      > NMRA Life # 17XX; TCA # HR-78-XXXXX; ARHS # 2XXX
                      > Durham, NC [Where tobacco was king; now The City of Medicine]
                      >
                      Try www.golfmanorhobbies.com ; they are in Cincinnati OH and have hard
                      to come by Rivarossi. Beware-some stuff is pricey! Jerry Garteiser
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4843 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                      Just received two corrugated SP cars which might have been the #1 and #3
                      parts of an three unit articulated diner ... painted Daylight, with
                      silver stripes applied seperatedly, wood roof and floor, sides are metal
                      - most likely tinplate , when I scratch the inside its silver colored.
                      Box says MHP/ Southern Pacific "Daylight"/ 201' Articulated Diner,
                      WE-50004-C / Wright Enterprises, Thousand Oaks, Calif, USA / H0 Scale
                      Equipment / Corrugated Sides.

                      Dave Coscias SP site mentions this company but has no background info. I
                      foolisly missed the other three cars on auction....

                      Anybody with more info on MHP / Wright?

                      Thanks Gerold
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4844 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      Chuck, I'm sending just the complete Pacific HO with this post.
                      There is no prefix number -- only Walthers used a prefix number for
                      Silver Streak, for their inventory of this manufacturer.


                      PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK

                      Regular Caboose:

                      Kit # Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color

                      #103 Undec. 28' None Caboose Red

                      #104 Undec. 30' None Caboose Red

                      #110 SP 30' Caboose Red

                      #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer Yellow

                      #112 B&O 28' Caboose Red

                      #113 GN 24' Caboose Red

                      #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183 Silver

                      #116 SP (Bay Window) Tuscan Red

                      #117 Undec. (Bay Window) Tuscan Red

                      #118 PC - Pacific Electric (No Cupola) Caboose Red

                      #119 Undec. (No Cupola) Caboose Red


                      Truss Rod Caboose:

                      #120 ERIE (Truss Rod) 04956 Caboose Red

                      #121 Undec. (Truss Rod) Caboose Red


                      ___________________O___________________


                      More To Come --- Ray



                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section. Also
                      take a look
                      > at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of Chuck Higdon
                      > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                      > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Ray,
                      >
                      > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of erieberk
                      > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual
                      > Athearn?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some you
                      > already have, after first going with that information; at least you
                      > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to do
                      > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I
                      agree,
                      > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot more
                      > work to have to type each color in though.
                      >
                      > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792 listings,
                      > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                      (Cabooses,
                      > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of Walthers
                      > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do the
                      > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be best
                      to
                      > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier (929)
                      > production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792, and
                      > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                      >
                      > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                      > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number,
                      then
                      > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued to
                      > make).
                      >
                      > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second paragraph,
                      > which I think might be even better, would be to first list all the
                      > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production remakes
                      of
                      > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have to
                      make
                      > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the NEW
                      > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO. Then
                      > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                      >
                      > For instance:
                      >
                      > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                      >
                      > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture
                      >
                      > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                      >
                      > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                      >
                      > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                      in "chronological"
                      > order. That would best separate them all as to approximately when
                      > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                      > think. Ray
                      >
                      > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut
                      > short
                      > > to 2183.
                      > >
                      > _._,___
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4845 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                      Eric,

                      The bigger file took about ten minutes to whip around.  So I am just setting it up to delete what needs to go and revise what needs to be revised.  I know a few short cuts that make it easy to work with these files.  I will be model railroading soon tonight, so more soon.

                      Take care.

                       

                      Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                       

                      From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
                      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:14 AM
                      To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                       

                      Chuck, Okay, I've just checked out your latest draft. Although I
                      know you're eager to get something out, in looking it over I think it
                      might be best to wait until getting my whole input before making
                      corrections. For starters, NONE of the 4-Wheel Bobber Cabooses were
                      original Pacific HO production, but don't change that yet (please
                      wait until you get everything). The other thing is that almost all
                      of your Walthers 929 kit numbers are NOT 929 kit numbers. Of the
                      remaining 929 kit numbers you have which are actual 929 kit numbers,
                      none of the road names for these 929 kits numbers are correct. I
                      also note that you have the 729 Hart Gondolas listed right after the
                      Pacific HO Bobber Caboose (which can be eliminated for Pacific HO)
                      listing instead of having them at the end after the 929 listings, but
                      maybe you were just waiting for more data before moving them around
                      (?). Sorry to have to put you through all the extra work, but
                      perhaps you should have waited for my complete listings after all, as
                      it may be less confusing that way.

                      Oh, I guess you can eliminate the Note on your line 147 about the PH
                      Catalog #'s (PH#__), and the Walthers Catalog #'s (792#__), unless
                      you want to include the Walthers 929, with an explanation as to which
                      ones came first and also which 929's are Pacific HO re-do's, but I
                      don't think that's necessary if you have the full headings for these
                      four groups as I suggested. We can also do away with the Notes on
                      your pages 149 & 151 about the car colors since you're including them
                      all with every car. I'll start from scratch, first with all the
                      Pacific HO numbers (only), hopefully later today, then go to Walthers
                      929 re-makes of Pacific HO and then to all the Walthers 929 new kits
                      (that were never produced by Pacific HO). Best regards, Ray

                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
                      wrote:

                      >
                      > I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section. Also
                      take a look
                      > at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                      [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of Chuck Higdon
                      > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                      > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Ray,
                      >
                      > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                      [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of erieberk
                      > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Unusual
                      > Athearn?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some you
                      > already have, after first going with that information; at least you
                      > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to do
                      > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I
                      agree,
                      > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot more
                      > work to have to type each color in though.
                      >
                      > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792 listings,
                      > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                      (Cabooses,
                      > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of Walthers
                      > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do the
                      > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be best
                      to
                      > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier (929)
                      > production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792, and
                      > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                      >
                      > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                      > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number,
                      then
                      > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued to
                      > make).
                      >
                      > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second paragraph,
                      > which I think might be even better, would be to first list all the
                      > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production remakes
                      of
                      > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have to
                      make
                      > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the NEW
                      > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO. Then
                      > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                      >
                      > For instance:
                      >
                      > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                      >
                      > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture
                      >
                      > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                      >
                      > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                      >
                      > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                      in "chronological"
                      > order. That would best separate them all as to approximately when
                      > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                      > think. Ray
                      >
                      > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE
                      caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut
                      > short
                      > > to 2183.
                      > >
                      > _._,___
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4846 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK

                      Standard 40' Box Car:

                      Kit# Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color

                      #201 UP (Union Pacific) 68142, 71991 Box Car Red

                      #207 CG (Central of Georgia) 40581, 40584 Box Car Red

                      #208 EJ&E (Chicago Outer Belt) 60357 Dark Green

                      #209 SA (Savanna & Atlanta) 8073 Box Car Red

                      #210 M&StL (Minn. & St' Louis) 50468 Light Green

                      #211 C&O 2570 Box Car Red

                      #212 Minnesota Mining (3-M) 1043 Box Car Red

                      #213 SLSF (Frisco) 132053 Box Car Red

                      #214 RI (Rocket Freight) 69852 Box Car Red

                      #215 D&RGW ("Cookie Box") 60007 White

                      #216 M&StL (Billboard) 54652 Caboose Red

                      #217 GN 73232 Box Car Red

                      #218 GN 52069 Box Car Red

                      #219 PE - Pacific Electric 2377 Box Car Red

                      #220 MKT ("Katy") 170198 Reefer Yellow


                      50' DD Automobile Car:

                      #301 Southern 149703 Box Car Red

                      #302 D&RGW 65530 Box Car Red

                      #303 GN (Billboard) 3506 Caboose Red


                      40' Refrigerator Car:

                      #403 NP 92663 Reefer Orange

                      #404 SP-UP (PFE) Reefer Orange

                      #405 SP-UP (PFE) 71117 Reefer Orange

                      #407 C&NW (Northwestern) 1039 Reefer Grey

                      #408 GB&W (Green Bay) 9227 Reefer Grey

                      #409 MDT (NYC) 22250 White

                      #410 ATSF (Super Chief) 24375 Reefer Orange

                      #410 ATSF (Grand Canyon) 26079 Reefer Orange

                      #411 ART (Wab/MoPac) 22654, 22763 Reefer Yellow

                      #412 Swift 7386 Caboose Red

                      #413 Oscar Meyer 5003 Reefer Yellow

                      #414 CB&Q (Zephyr) 75210 Reefer Yellow

                      #415 C&NW (Mechanical Temp.) 3953 Yellow/Dk Green

                      #416 UP-SP (PFE) 30127, 30130 Reefer Orange

                      #417 Morrell 9206 Reefer Yellow

                      #418 PFE (Ice Service) 65005, 65009 Reefer Orange

                      #419 C&NW Reefer Grey

                      #420 BAR (Maine Potato) 6535 White/Lt Blue

                      #421 MDT (NYC) 22250 White


                      _______________O_________________

                      More to come, Ray



                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Chuck, I'm sending just the complete Pacific HO with this post.
                      > There is no prefix number -- only Walthers used a prefix number for
                      > Silver Streak, for their inventory of this manufacturer.
                      >
                      >
                      > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                      >
                      > Regular Caboose:
                      >
                      > Kit # Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color
                      >
                      > #103 Undec. 28' None Caboose Red
                      >
                      > #104 Undec. 30' None Caboose Red
                      >
                      > #110 SP 30' Caboose Red
                      >
                      > #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer Yellow
                      >
                      > #112 B&O 28' Caboose Red
                      >
                      > #113 GN 24' Caboose Red
                      >
                      > #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183 Silver
                      >
                      > #116 SP (Bay Window) Tuscan Red
                      >
                      > #117 Undec. (Bay Window) Tuscan Red
                      >
                      > #118 PC - Pacific Electric (No Cupola) Caboose Red
                      >
                      > #119 Undec. (No Cupola) Caboose Red
                      >
                      >
                      > Truss Rod Caboose:
                      >
                      > #120 ERIE (Truss Rod) 04956 Caboose Red
                      >
                      > #121 Undec. (Truss Rod) Caboose Red
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      ___________________O___________________
                      >
                      >
                      > More To Come --- Ray
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section. Also
                      > take a look
                      > > at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > _____
                      > >
                      > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      > On Behalf
                      > > Of Chuck Higdon
                      > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                      > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Hi Ray,
                      > >
                      > > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > _____
                      > >
                      > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      > On Behalf
                      > > Of erieberk
                      > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                      Unusual
                      > > Athearn?
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some
                      you
                      > > already have, after first going with that information; at least
                      you
                      > > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to do
                      > > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I
                      > agree,
                      > > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot more
                      > > work to have to type each color in though.
                      > >
                      > > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      > > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792 listings,
                      > > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                      > (Cabooses,
                      > > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of
                      Walthers
                      > > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do
                      the
                      > > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be
                      best
                      > to
                      > > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier
                      (929)
                      > > production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792,
                      and
                      > > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                      > >
                      > > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                      > > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number,
                      > then
                      > > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued to
                      > > make).
                      > >
                      > > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second
                      paragraph,
                      > > which I think might be even better, would be to first list all
                      the
                      > > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production
                      remakes
                      > of
                      > > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have to
                      > make
                      > > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the
                      NEW
                      > > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO. Then
                      > > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                      > >
                      > > For instance:
                      > >
                      > > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                      > >
                      > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture
                      > >
                      > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                      > >
                      > > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                      > >
                      > > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      > > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                      > in "chronological"
                      > > order. That would best separate them all as to approximately when
                      > > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                      > > think. Ray
                      > >
                      > > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut
                      > > short
                      > > > to 2183.
                      > > >
                      > > _._,___
                      > >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4847 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Gerold Eckl" <corv8@...>
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:37 PM
                      Subject: [vintageHO] MHP / Wright Enterprise


                      >
                      > Just received two corrugated SP cars which might have been the #1 and #3
                      > parts of an three unit articulated diner ... painted Daylight, with
                      > silver stripes applied seperatedly, wood roof and floor, sides are metal
                      > - most likely tinplate , when I scratch the inside its silver colored.
                      > Box says MHP/ Southern Pacific "Daylight"/ 201' Articulated Diner,
                      > WE-50004-C / Wright Enterprises, Thousand Oaks, Calif, USA / H0 Scale
                      > Equipment / Corrugated Sides.
                      >
                      > Dave Coscias SP site mentions this company but has no background info. I
                      > foolisly missed the other three cars on auction....
                      >
                      > Anybody with more info on MHP / Wright?
                      >
                      > Thanks Gerold

                      Other than the fact that I have three of their cars...(all smooth side
                      sleepers though)/

                      This was the same Wright that sold the MHP/Wright diaphragms for as long as
                      I can remember.

                      They started with rib side and smooth side cars for the SP daylight, then
                      added SP Lark & Cascade cars, also NYC, PRR, GN Empire builder, IC, UP
                      "City" trains, NP, CN and a couple Santa Fe sleepers. The only thing I've
                      never seen is an observation for any of the trains.

                      The kits came out in the late 1960's, appeared in the Walthers catalog from
                      the late 60's through the early 70's. sold for around $ 10.00 per car (your
                      cars were sold as a three unit set for $ 30.35 less trucks & couplers in
                      1969)

                      Don

                      don.dellmann@...
                      http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                      Owner-Moderator
                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                      Co-owner
                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4848 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                      Here Goes: Originally "Boxcar Ken" Casford (Caswell?) made a whole series
                      of DP cars in O Scale, using the construction you describe. A nice feature
                      was the way the roof was formed to keep the top of the side in place. Dick
                      Wright got together with him and produced the same cars in HO.

                      Wright also got access to the SP archives, and wrote THE definitive book on
                      the Daylights. It has been said that with this book and $20 million, one
                      could build a complete replica of the train. The info in the book gets down
                      to the lettering on the restroom doors. It is available from Daylight Sales
                      in Sacramento. (For $125, last I heard. One printing went for $175--my
                      "first edition" was what I thought was an outrageous $30).

                      Do the cars you have have vestibules at the end which has the complete
                      skirting (as opposed to cut away for the articulation joint)? If so, you
                      have an articulated coach pair. The Diner and Coffee Shop did not have
                      vestibules, in which case you are missing the Kitchen.

                      If you don't have a copy of Wright's book available, if you would like to
                      copy your sides and mail them to me, I can compare them to the plans in the
                      book. If youi are able to scan them--fine--I haven't figured that out--or
                      send the copies (just lay them on the glass and close the cover) to me and
                      I'll email back what they are. Don't forget to include your email address.

                      Glenn Joesten
                      3825 Pruett Drive
                      Yreka CA 96097
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Gerold Eckl" <corv8@...>
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:37 PM
                      Subject: [vintageHO] MHP / Wright Enterprise


                      >
                      > Just received two corrugated SP cars which might have been the #1 and #3
                      > parts of an three unit articulated diner ... painted Daylight, with
                      > silver stripes applied seperatedly, wood roof and floor, sides are metal
                      > - most likely tinplate , when I scratch the inside its silver colored.
                      > Box says MHP/ Southern Pacific "Daylight"/ 201' Articulated Diner,
                      > WE-50004-C / Wright Enterprises, Thousand Oaks, Calif, USA / H0 Scale
                      > Equipment / Corrugated Sides.
                      >
                      > Dave Coscias SP site mentions this company but has no background info. I
                      > foolisly missed the other three cars on auction....
                      >
                      > Anybody with more info on MHP / Wright?
                      >
                      > Thanks Gerold
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4849 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      Hi Chuck, I just finished up all the rest of Pacific HO, and just as
                      I completed it -- and before I could send it -- I got a message that
                      the connection failed (got knocked off line), I have dial-up -- and
                      of course lost everything I just typed for the last of the Pacific HO
                      stuff. I guess the 'putor figured I was on too long or some d*mn
                      thing, and cut me off. I'll finish it up in the morning; just not up
                      to it right now after getting wiped out. Later Ray


                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                      >
                      > Standard 40' Box Car:
                      >
                      > Kit# Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color
                      >
                      > #201 UP (Union Pacific) 68142, 71991 Box Car
                      Red
                      >
                      > #207 CG (Central of Georgia) 40581, 40584 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #208 EJ&E (Chicago Outer Belt) 60357 Dark Green
                      >
                      > #209 SA (Savanna & Atlanta) 8073 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #210 M&StL (Minn. & St' Louis) 50468 Light Green
                      >
                      > #211 C&O 2570 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #212 Minnesota Mining (3-M) 1043 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #213 SLSF (Frisco) 132053 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #214 RI (Rocket Freight) 69852 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #215 D&RGW ("Cookie Box") 60007
                      White
                      >
                      > #216 M&StL (Billboard) 54652 Caboose
                      Red
                      >
                      > #217 GN 73232 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #218 GN 52069 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #219 PE - Pacific Electric 2377 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #220 MKT ("Katy") 170198 Reefer Yellow
                      >
                      >
                      > 50' DD Automobile Car:
                      >
                      > #301 Southern 149703 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #302 D&RGW 65530 Box Car Red
                      >
                      > #303 GN (Billboard) 3506 Caboose Red
                      >
                      >
                      > 40' Refrigerator Car:
                      >
                      > #403 NP 92663 Reefer Orange
                      >
                      > #404 SP-UP (PFE) Reefer Orange
                      >
                      > #405 SP-UP (PFE) 71117 Reefer Orange
                      >
                      > #407 C&NW (Northwestern) 1039 Reefer Grey
                      >
                      > #408 GB&W (Green Bay) 9227 Reefer Grey
                      >
                      > #409 MDT (NYC) 22250 White
                      >
                      > #410 ATSF (Super Chief) 24375 Reefer Orange
                      >
                      > #410 ATSF (Grand Canyon) 26079 Reefer Orange
                      >
                      > #411 ART (Wab/MoPac) 22654, 22763 Reefer Yellow
                      >
                      > #412 Swift 7386 Caboose Red
                      >
                      > #413 Oscar Meyer 5003 Reefer
                      Yellow
                      >
                      > #414 CB&Q (Zephyr) 75210 Reefer Yellow
                      >
                      > #415 C&NW (Mechanical Temp.) 3953 Yellow/Dk
                      Green
                      >
                      > #416 UP-SP (PFE) 30127, 30130 Reefer
                      Orange
                      >
                      > #417 Morrell 9206 Reefer
                      Yellow
                      >
                      > #418 PFE (Ice Service) 65005, 65009 Reefer
                      Orange
                      >
                      > #419 C&NW Reefer Grey
                      >
                      > #420 BAR (Maine Potato) 6535 White/Lt Blue
                      >
                      > #421 MDT (NYC) 22250 White
                      >
                      >
                      > _______________O_________________
                      >
                      > More to come, Ray
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Chuck, I'm sending just the complete Pacific HO with this post.
                      > > There is no prefix number -- only Walthers used a prefix number
                      for
                      > > Silver Streak, for their inventory of this manufacturer.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                      > >
                      > > Regular Caboose:
                      > >
                      > > Kit # Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color
                      > >
                      > > #103 Undec. 28' None Caboose Red
                      > >
                      > > #104 Undec. 30' None Caboose Red
                      > >
                      > > #110 SP 30' Caboose Red
                      > >
                      > > #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer
                      Yellow
                      > >
                      > > #112 B&O 28' Caboose Red
                      > >
                      > > #113 GN 24' Caboose Red
                      > >
                      > > #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183 Silver
                      > >
                      > > #116 SP (Bay Window) Tuscan Red
                      > >
                      > > #117 Undec. (Bay Window) Tuscan Red
                      > >
                      > > #118 PC - Pacific Electric (No Cupola) Caboose
                      Red
                      > >
                      > > #119 Undec. (No Cupola) Caboose
                      Red
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Truss Rod Caboose:
                      > >
                      > > #120 ERIE (Truss Rod) 04956 Caboose
                      Red
                      > >
                      > > #121 Undec. (Truss Rod) Caboose
                      Red
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      ___________________O___________________
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > More To Come --- Ray
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                      > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section.
                      Also
                      > > take a look
                      > > > at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > _____
                      > > >
                      > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      > > On Behalf
                      > > > Of Chuck Higdon
                      > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                      > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Hi Ray,
                      > > >
                      > > > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > _____
                      > > >
                      > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      > > On Behalf
                      > > > Of erieberk
                      > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                      > Unusual
                      > > > Athearn?
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some
                      > you
                      > > > already have, after first going with that information; at least
                      > you
                      > > > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to
                      do
                      > > > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I
                      > > agree,
                      > > > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot
                      more
                      > > > work to have to type each color in though.
                      > > >
                      > > > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      > > > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792
                      listings,
                      > > > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                      > > (Cabooses,
                      > > > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of
                      > Walthers
                      > > > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do
                      > the
                      > > > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be
                      > best
                      > > to
                      > > > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier
                      > (929)
                      > > > production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792,
                      > and
                      > > > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                      > > >
                      > > > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                      > > > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number,
                      > > then
                      > > > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued
                      to
                      > > > make).
                      > > >
                      > > > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second
                      > paragraph,
                      > > > which I think might be even better, would be to first list all
                      > the
                      > > > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production
                      > remakes
                      > > of
                      > > > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have
                      to
                      > > make
                      > > > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the
                      > NEW
                      > > > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO.
                      Then
                      > > > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                      > > >
                      > > > For instance:
                      > > >
                      > > > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                      > > >
                      > > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture
                      > > >
                      > > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                      > > >
                      > > > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                      > > >
                      > > > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      > > > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                      > > in "chronological"
                      > > > order. That would best separate them all as to approximately
                      when
                      > > > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                      > > > think. Ray
                      > > >
                      > > > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not
                      cut
                      > > > short
                      > > > > to 2183.
                      > > > >
                      > > > _._,___
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4850 From: erieberk Date: 1/9/2008
                      Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      Chuck, I was wondering who Eric was since I don't see any emails by
                      anyone with that name. But as I see you're replying to my post, it
                      just dawned on me that perhaps you're trying to use my User name
                      (erieberk) but got it wrong(?)- LOL. If so, its not eric, its erie
                      (as in ERIE RR), with berk (short for Berkshire), referring to their
                      famous 2-8-4's of the time. Glad to see you're not wasting too much
                      time on these revisions. Great to have short cuts to make things
                      easier. Happy railroading! Later, Ray


                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > Eric,
                      >
                      > The bigger file took about ten minutes to whip around. So I am
                      just setting
                      > it up to delete what needs to go and revise what needs to be
                      revised. I
                      > know a few short cuts that make it easy to work with these files.
                      I will be
                      > model railroading soon tonight, so more soon.
                      >
                      > Take care.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      On Behalf
                      > Of erieberk
                      > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:14 AM
                      > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Chuck, Okay, I've just checked out your latest draft. Although I
                      > know you're eager to get something out, in looking it over I think
                      it
                      > might be best to wait until getting my whole input before making
                      > corrections. For starters, NONE of the 4-Wheel Bobber Cabooses were
                      > original Pacific HO production, but don't change that yet (please
                      > wait until you get everything). The other thing is that almost all
                      > of your Walthers 929 kit numbers are NOT 929 kit numbers. Of the
                      > remaining 929 kit numbers you have which are actual 929 kit
                      numbers,
                      > none of the road names for these 929 kits numbers are correct. I
                      > also note that you have the 729 Hart Gondolas listed right after
                      the
                      > Pacific HO Bobber Caboose (which can be eliminated for Pacific HO)
                      > listing instead of having them at the end after the 929 listings,
                      but
                      > maybe you were just waiting for more data before moving them around
                      > (?). Sorry to have to put you through all the extra work, but
                      > perhaps you should have waited for my complete listings after all,
                      as
                      > it may be less confusing that way.
                      >
                      > Oh, I guess you can eliminate the Note on your line 147 about the
                      PH
                      > Catalog #'s (PH#__), and the Walthers Catalog #'s (792#__), unless
                      > you want to include the Walthers 929, with an explanation as to
                      which
                      > ones came first and also which 929's are Pacific HO re-do's, but I
                      > don't think that's necessary if you have the full headings for
                      these
                      > four groups as I suggested. We can also do away with the Notes on
                      > your pages 149 & 151 about the car colors since you're including
                      them
                      > all with every car. I'll start from scratch, first with all the
                      > Pacific HO numbers (only), hopefully later today, then go to
                      Walthers
                      > 929 re-makes of Pacific HO and then to all the Walthers 929 new
                      kits
                      > (that were never produced by Pacific HO). Best regards, Ray
                      >
                      > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com,
                      > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section. Also
                      > take a look
                      > > at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                      > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > _____
                      > >
                      > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com
                      > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com]
                      > On Behalf
                      > > Of Chuck Higdon
                      > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                      > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com
                      > > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Hi Ray,
                      > >
                      > > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                      > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > _____
                      > >
                      > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com
                      > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com]
                      > On Behalf
                      > > Of erieberk
                      > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                      ps.com
                      > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                      Unusual
                      > > Athearn?
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some
                      you
                      > > already have, after first going with that information; at least
                      you
                      > > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to do
                      > > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I
                      > agree,
                      > > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot more
                      > > work to have to type each color in though.
                      > >
                      > > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      > > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792 listings,
                      > > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                      > (Cabooses,
                      > > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of
                      Walthers
                      > > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do
                      the
                      > > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be
                      best
                      > to
                      > > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier
                      (929)
                      > > production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792,
                      and
                      > > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                      > >
                      > > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                      > > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number,
                      > then
                      > > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued to
                      > > make).
                      > >
                      > > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second
                      paragraph,
                      > > which I think might be even better, would be to first list all
                      the
                      > > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production
                      remakes
                      > of
                      > > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have to
                      > make
                      > > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the
                      NEW
                      > > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO. Then
                      > > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                      > >
                      > > For instance:
                      > >
                      > > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                      > >
                      > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture
                      > >
                      > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                      > >
                      > > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                      > >
                      > > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      > > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                      > in "chronological"
                      > > order. That would best separate them all as to approximately when
                      > > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                      > > think. Ray
                      > >
                      > > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut
                      > > short
                      > > > to 2183.
                      > > >
                      > > _._,___
                      > >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4851 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
                      Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                      Gerold, Glenn, Just wanted to mention that around that same time I
                      picked up an abbreviated/condensed version of Richard Wright's
                      Daylight book which, depending on the informationa one might be
                      looking for, was still extremely well done and well worth the much
                      lower price tag of $5.00 in 1979. The softcover commemorative book
                      (52 PACKED pages) on the #4449 was titled "America's Bicentennial
                      Queen" and was available through Walthers in the late 1970's -
                      early '80's. Its loaded with lots of diagrams and specs. Might be
                      worth an eBay search. Also, for any SP modeler, Richard Wright
                      published another book (171 pages)on the SP that was available from
                      Walthers, an "SP Equipment Cicular," for $7.50. It showed all kinds
                      of equipment for the Overland, Shasta, San Joaquin, Coastline,
                      Sunset, Golden State, Northwestern Pacific, San Diego & Arizona
                      Eastern and SP de Mexico routes.

                      BTW, I just wanted to mention I have a number of Dick Wright's MHP
                      Daylight kits and they're extremely well designed. I don't have the
                      articulated diner (201" Diner - Lounge - Dormitory)though, so can't
                      help too much except to say that the 2 end sections were equal length
                      with the center section being much shorter. I'm surprised it wasn't
                      offered as a set. For the missing section, you might want to try an
                      eBay search for Limited Editions which also offered many similar kits
                      back in the early to mid 1980's. They also had 77' Parlor
                      Observation and a 77' Diner Lounge Observation for the 1937 - 38
                      Daylight as well as a 79' Parlor Observation for the 1939 - 41 Coast
                      Daylight, if you need one (and can find one). Ray Wetzel


                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Here Goes: Originally "Boxcar Ken" Casford (Caswell?) made a whole
                      series
                      > of DP cars in O Scale, using the construction you describe. A nice
                      feature
                      > was the way the roof was formed to keep the top of the side in
                      place. Dick
                      > Wright got together with him and produced the same cars in HO.
                      >
                      > Wright also got access to the SP archives, and wrote THE definitive
                      book on
                      > the Daylights. It has been said that with this book and $20
                      million, one
                      > could build a complete replica of the train. The info in the book
                      gets down
                      > to the lettering on the restroom doors. It is available from
                      Daylight Sales
                      > in Sacramento. (For $125, last I heard. One printing went for $175--
                      my
                      > "first edition" was what I thought was an outrageous $30).
                      >
                      > Do the cars you have have vestibules at the end which has the
                      complete
                      > skirting (as opposed to cut away for the articulation joint)? If
                      so, you
                      > have an articulated coach pair. The Diner and Coffee Shop did not
                      have
                      > vestibules, in which case you are missing the Kitchen.
                      >
                      > If you don't have a copy of Wright's book available, if you would
                      like to
                      > copy your sides and mail them to me, I can compare them to the
                      plans in the
                      > book. If youi are able to scan them--fine--I haven't figured that
                      out--or
                      > send the copies (just lay them on the glass and close the cover) to
                      me and
                      > I'll email back what they are. Don't forget to include your email
                      address.
                      >
                      > Glenn Joesten
                      > 3825 Pruett Drive
                      > Yreka CA 96097
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "Gerold Eckl" <corv8@...>
                      > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:37 PM
                      > Subject: [vintageHO] MHP / Wright Enterprise
                      >
                      >
                      > >
                      > > Just received two corrugated SP cars which might have been the #1
                      and #3
                      > > parts of an three unit articulated diner ... painted Daylight,
                      with
                      > > silver stripes applied seperatedly, wood roof and floor, sides
                      are metal
                      > > - most likely tinplate , when I scratch the inside its silver
                      colored.
                      > > Box says MHP/ Southern Pacific "Daylight"/ 201' Articulated
                      Diner,
                      > > WE-50004-C / Wright Enterprises, Thousand Oaks, Calif, USA / H0
                      Scale
                      > > Equipment / Corrugated Sides.
                      > >
                      > > Dave Coscias SP site mentions this company but has no background
                      info. I
                      > > foolisly missed the other three cars on auction....
                      > >
                      > > Anybody with more info on MHP / Wright?
                      > >
                      > > Thanks Gerold
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4852 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/10/2008
                      Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                      To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:35 PM
                      Subject: [vintageHO] Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise


                      > Gerold, Glenn, Just wanted to mention that around that same time I
                      > picked up an abbreviated/condensed version of Richard Wright's
                      > Daylight book which, depending on the informationa one might be
                      > looking for, was still extremely well done and well worth the much
                      > lower price tag of $5.00 in 1979. The softcover commemorative book
                      > (52 PACKED pages) on the #4449 was titled "America's Bicentennial
                      > Queen" and was available through Walthers in the late 1970's -
                      > early '80's. Its loaded with lots of diagrams and specs. Might be
                      > worth an eBay search. Also, for any SP modeler, Richard Wright
                      > published another book (171 pages)on the SP that was available from
                      > Walthers, an "SP Equipment Cicular," for $7.50. It showed all kinds
                      > of equipment for the Overland, Shasta, San Joaquin, Coastline,
                      > Sunset, Golden State, Northwestern Pacific, San Diego & Arizona
                      > Eastern and SP de Mexico routes.
                      >
                      > BTW, I just wanted to mention I have a number of Dick Wright's MHP
                      > Daylight kits and they're extremely well designed. I don't have the
                      > articulated diner (201" Diner - Lounge - Dormitory)though, so can't
                      > help too much except to say that the 2 end sections were equal length
                      > with the center section being much shorter. I'm surprised it wasn't
                      > offered as a set. For the missing section, you might want to try an
                      > eBay search for Limited Editions which also offered many similar kits
                      > back in the early to mid 1980's. They also had 77' Parlor
                      > Observation and a 77' Diner Lounge Observation for the 1937 - 38
                      > Daylight as well as a 79' Parlor Observation for the 1939 - 41 Coast
                      > Daylight, if you need one (and can find one). Ray Wetzel

                      The 3 unit diner WAS sold as a set. There were actually four different sets
                      cataloged.

                      WE04C Daylight corrogated side
                      WE04S Daylight smooth side
                      WE36C Lark corrogated side
                      WE47S Cascade smooth side.

                      A note on the page in the '69 Walthers book says the cars came WITH trucks.
                      The ones I have had Central Valleys, not sure if that's what was originally
                      supplied or not. Cars were unpainted, decal sets sold separately.

                      The Limited Editions cars are no comparison. They are extremely poorly
                      designed and difficult to assemble, while the MHP's were very
                      straightforward and simple. In fact, I have heard rumors that part of the
                      problem with the limited Editions wre that there was a disput between the
                      owner and his toolmaker that resulted in some of the tooling being
                      deliberately sabotaged. I do know, from the couple I tried to build, (the
                      operative word here is TRIED) that the roof and floor assemblies were two
                      different widths, so when you tried to insert the window inserts, nothing
                      fit together right.

                      Don

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                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4853 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
                      Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      Chuck, Here's the last of the Pacific HO:


                      PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK


                      Kit # Road Name/ Description Reporting Number Color

                      Hart Gondola:

                      #500 Undec. None Grey

                      #501 NYC 616225 Box Car Red

                      #502 NYC&StL (NKP) Black

                      #503 SP

                      #504 MKT "Katy" 8670 Reefer Yellow

                      #505v Pacific Electric

                      #506 NP Black


                      Single Dome Tank Car

                      #601 GATX General American Tank 1001 Silver

                      Conoco Silver

                      SCMX Shell Chemical 519 Silver

                      Texaco Silver


                      40' Truss-Rod Refrigerator Car:

                      #701 GN Western Fruit Express Reefer Yellow

                      #703 CS Colorado & Southern 50053 Reefer Orange


                      40' Truss-Rod Box Car:

                      #702 NP 38572 Box Car Red


                      40' M.O.W. Work Car:

                      #801 Bunk Car 430 Grey

                      #802 Commissary Car 809 Grey

                      #803 Engineering Car 525 Grey

                      #804 Ballast Car 383 Grey

                      #805 Boom Car 720 Grey

                      #806 Caboose & Supply Car 97 Grey


                      That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't confirm) a
                      25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you want to
                      include it as a possible kit to look for.

                      ______________O_______________

                      Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll be the
                      same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the Walthers
                      929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific HO's.
                      I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number (not the
                      prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first cataloged
                      them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120 ERIE
                      for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO kits
                      that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from the
                      Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits. In
                      thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                      Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                      Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as the "S" will
                      indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                      make it even more easier to understand. Ray



                      --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi Chuck, I just finished up all the rest of Pacific HO, and just
                      as
                      > I completed it -- and before I could send it -- I got a message
                      that
                      > the connection failed (got knocked off line), I have dial-up --
                      and
                      > of course lost everything I just typed for the last of the Pacific
                      HO
                      > stuff. I guess the 'putor figured I was on too long or some d*mn
                      > thing, and cut me off. I'll finish it up in the morning; just not
                      up
                      > to it right now after getting wiped out. Later Ray
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                      > >
                      > > Standard 40' Box Car:
                      > >
                      > > Kit# Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color
                      > >
                      > > #201 UP (Union Pacific) 68142, 71991 Box Car
                      > Red
                      > >
                      > > #207 CG (Central of Georgia) 40581, 40584 Box Car Red
                      > >
                      > > #208 EJ&E (Chicago Outer Belt) 60357 Dark Green
                      > >
                      > > #209 SA (Savanna & Atlanta) 8073 Box Car Red
                      > >
                      > > #210 M&StL (Minn. & St' Louis) 50468 Light Green
                      > >
                      > > #211 C&O 2570 Box Car Red
                      > >
                      > > #212 Minnesota Mining (3-M) 1043 Box Car
                      Red
                      > >
                      > > #213 SLSF (Frisco) 132053 Box Car Red
                      > >
                      > > #214 RI (Rocket Freight) 69852 Box Car Red
                      > >
                      > > #215 D&RGW ("Cookie Box") 60007
                      > White
                      > >
                      > > #216 M&StL (Billboard) 54652 Caboose
                      > Red
                      > >
                      > > #217 GN 73232 Box Car Red
                      > >
                      > > #218 GN 52069 Box Car Red
                      > >
                      > > #219 PE - Pacific Electric 2377 Box Car Red
                      > >
                      > > #220 MKT ("Katy") 170198 Reefer
                      Yellow
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > 50' DD Automobile Car:
                      > >
                      > > #301 Southern 149703 Box Car Red
                      > >
                      > > #302 D&RGW 65530 Box Car Red
                      > >
                      > > #303 GN (Billboard) 3506 Caboose Red
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > 40' Refrigerator Car:
                      > >
                      > > #403 NP 92663 Reefer
                      Orange
                      > >
                      > > #404 SP-UP (PFE) Reefer
                      Orange
                      > >
                      > > #405 SP-UP (PFE) 71117 Reefer
                      Orange
                      > >
                      > > #407 C&NW (Northwestern) 1039 Reefer Grey
                      > >
                      > > #408 GB&W (Green Bay) 9227 Reefer Grey
                      > >
                      > > #409 MDT (NYC) 22250 White
                      > >
                      > > #410 ATSF (Super Chief) 24375 Reefer
                      Orange
                      > >
                      > > #410 ATSF (Grand Canyon) 26079 Reefer
                      Orange
                      > >
                      > > #411 ART (Wab/MoPac) 22654, 22763 Reefer
                      Yellow
                      > >
                      > > #412 Swift 7386 Caboose Red
                      > >
                      > > #413 Oscar Meyer 5003 Reefer
                      > Yellow
                      > >
                      > > #414 CB&Q (Zephyr) 75210 Reefer
                      Yellow
                      > >
                      > > #415 C&NW (Mechanical Temp.) 3953 Yellow/Dk
                      > Green
                      > >
                      > > #416 UP-SP (PFE) 30127, 30130 Reefer
                      > Orange
                      > >
                      > > #417 Morrell 9206 Reefer
                      > Yellow
                      > >
                      > > #418 PFE (Ice Service) 65005, 65009 Reefer
                      > Orange
                      > >
                      > > #419 C&NW Reefer Grey
                      > >
                      > > #420 BAR (Maine Potato) 6535 White/Lt
                      Blue
                      > >
                      > > #421 MDT (NYC) 22250 White
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > _______________O_________________
                      > >
                      > > More to come, Ray
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Chuck, I'm sending just the complete Pacific HO with this
                      post.
                      > > > There is no prefix number -- only Walthers used a prefix number
                      > for
                      > > > Silver Streak, for their inventory of this manufacturer.
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                      > > >
                      > > > Regular Caboose:
                      > > >
                      > > > Kit # Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color
                      > > >
                      > > > #103 Undec. 28' None Caboose
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #104 Undec. 30' None Caboose
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #110 SP 30' Caboose
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer
                      > Yellow
                      > > >
                      > > > #112 B&O 28' Caboose
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #113 GN 24' Caboose
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183 Silver
                      > > >
                      > > > #116 SP (Bay Window) Tuscan
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #117 Undec. (Bay Window) Tuscan
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #118 PC - Pacific Electric (No Cupola) Caboose
                      > Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #119 Undec. (No Cupola) Caboose
                      > Red
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Truss Rod Caboose:
                      > > >
                      > > > #120 ERIE (Truss Rod) 04956 Caboose
                      > Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #121 Undec. (Truss Rod) Caboose
                      > Red
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                      ___________________O___________________
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > More To Come --- Ray
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                      > > > wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section.
                      > Also
                      > > > take a look
                      > > > > at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > _____
                      > > > >
                      > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      > > > On Behalf
                      > > > > Of Chuck Higdon
                      > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                      > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hi Ray,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > _____
                      > > > >
                      > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      > > > On Behalf
                      > > > > Of erieberk
                      > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                      > > Unusual
                      > > > > Athearn?
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to
                      some
                      > > you
                      > > > > already have, after first going with that information; at
                      least
                      > > you
                      > > > > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to
                      > do
                      > > > > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I
                      > > > agree,
                      > > > > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot
                      > more
                      > > > > work to have to type each color in though.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      > > > > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792
                      > listings,
                      > > > > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                      > > > (Cabooses,
                      > > > > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of
                      > > Walthers
                      > > > > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also
                      do
                      > > the
                      > > > > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be
                      > > best
                      > > > to
                      > > > > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier
                      > > (929)
                      > > > > production, even though this prefix number is higher than
                      792,
                      > > and
                      > > > > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's
                      are
                      > > > > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit
                      number,
                      > > > then
                      > > > > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they
                      continued
                      > to
                      > > > > make).
                      > > > >
                      > > > > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second
                      > > paragraph,
                      > > > > which I think might be even better, would be to first list
                      all
                      > > the
                      > > > > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production
                      > > remakes
                      > > > of
                      > > > > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have
                      > to
                      > > > make
                      > > > > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all
                      the
                      > > NEW
                      > > > > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO.
                      > Then
                      > > > > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > For instance:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                      > > > >
                      > > > > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                      > > > > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                      > > > in "chronological"
                      > > > > order. That would best separate them all as to approximately
                      > when
                      > > > > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what
                      you
                      > > > > think. Ray
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183, not
                      > cut
                      > > > > short
                      > > > > > to 2183.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > _._,___
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4854 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
                      Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      Starting now with Walthers 929-___ NEW Silver Streak production, to
                      be run in with and be continued after the Walthers 929-S___ Pacific
                      HO Silver Streak carry-overs (after they bought Pacific HO out).


                      WALTHERS EARLY SILVER STREAK


                      Standard Caboose:

                      Kit # Road Name/Description Reporting Number Color

                      #929-101 Undec. 28' None Box Car Red

                      #929-102 Undec. 30' None Box Car Red

                      #929-122 MILW (Bay Window) 0255 Silver

                      #929-124 CB&Q Box Car Red

                      #929-126 C&NW

                      #929-127 C&O A-616


                      Truss-Rod Caboose:

                      #929-123 ATSF (Truss Rod) Box CVar Red

                      #929-125 SOU (Truss Rod) X-3349


                      Drovers & Combination Caboose:

                      #929-131 CB&Q 3928 Box Car Red

                      #929-132 Sierra Railroad Box Car Red

                      #929-133 Pacific Lumber 78


                      4-Wheel Bobber Caboose:

                      #929-175 Undec. None

                      #929-176 EJ&E 30 Reefer Yellow

                      #929-177 DL&W 508 Box Car Red

                      #929-178 MA & PA 2005

                      #929-179 WM 2216

                      #929-180 PRR 485497 Box Car Red

                      #929-181 NYC 17005 Box Car Red

                      #929-182 L&NE 511

                      #929-183 B&O C-1775

                      #929-184 MILW 0478 Box Car Red

                      #929-185 RDG 90258

                      #929-186 GN X-94

                      #929-187 SOU X 421


                      ______________O___________________


                      Here's the rest of the Walthers (NEW) early cabooses. Ray




                      In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Chuck, Here's the last of the Pacific HO:
                      >
                      >
                      > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                      >
                      >
                      > Kit # Road Name/ Description Reporting Number
                      Color
                      >
                      > Hart Gondola:
                      >
                      > #500 Undec. None
                      Grey
                      >
                      > #501 NYC 616225 Box Car
                      Red
                      >
                      > #502 NYC&StL (NKP)
                      Black
                      >
                      > #503
                      SP
                      >
                      > #504 MKT "Katy" 8670 Reefer
                      Yellow
                      >
                      > #505v Pacific
                      Electric
                      >
                      > #506 NP
                      Black
                      >
                      >
                      > Single Dome Tank
                      Car
                      >
                      > #601 GATX General American Tank 1001
                      Silver
                      >
                      > Conoco
                      Silver
                      >
                      > SCMX Shell Chemical 519
                      Silver
                      >
                      > Texaco
                      Silver
                      >
                      >
                      > 40' Truss-Rod Refrigerator Car:
                      >
                      > #701 GN Western Fruit Express Reefer
                      Yellow
                      >
                      > #703 CS Colorado & Southern 50053 Reefer
                      Orange
                      >
                      >
                      > 40' Truss-Rod Box
                      Car:
                      >
                      > #702 NP 38572 Box Car
                      Red
                      >
                      >
                      > 40' M.O.W. Work
                      Car:
                      >
                      > #801 Bunk Car 430
                      Grey
                      >
                      > #802 Commissary Car 809
                      Grey
                      >
                      > #803 Engineering Car 525
                      Grey
                      >
                      > #804 Ballast Car 383
                      Grey
                      >
                      > #805 Boom Car 720
                      Grey
                      >
                      > #806 Caboose & Supply Car 97
                      Grey
                      >
                      >
                      > That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't confirm)
                      a
                      > 25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you want
                      to
                      > include it as a possible kit to look
                      for.
                      >
                      > ______________O_______________
                      >
                      > Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll be
                      the
                      > same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the
                      Walthers
                      > 929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific
                      HO's.
                      > I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number (not the
                      > prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first cataloged
                      > them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120
                      ERIE
                      > for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO
                      kits
                      > that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from the
                      > Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits. In
                      > thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                      > Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                      > Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as the "S"
                      will
                      > indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                      > make it even more easier to understand. Ray
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Hi Chuck, I just finished up all the rest of Pacific HO, and
                      just
                      > as
                      > > I completed it -- and before I could send it -- I got a message
                      > that
                      > > the connection failed (got knocked off line), I have dial-up --
                      > and
                      > > of course lost everything I just typed for the last of the
                      Pacific
                      > HO
                      > > stuff. I guess the 'putor figured I was on too long or some d*mn
                      > > thing, and cut me off. I'll finish it up in the morning; just
                      not
                      > up
                      > > to it right now after getting wiped out. Later Ray
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                      > > >
                      > > > Standard 40' Box Car:
                      > > >
                      > > > Kit# Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color
                      > > >
                      > > > #201 UP (Union Pacific) 68142, 71991 Box Car
                      > > Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #207 CG (Central of Georgia) 40581, 40584 Box Car
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #208 EJ&E (Chicago Outer Belt) 60357 Dark
                      Green
                      > > >
                      > > > #209 SA (Savanna & Atlanta) 8073 Box Car
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #210 M&StL (Minn. & St' Louis) 50468 Light
                      Green
                      > > >
                      > > > #211 C&O 2570 Box Car
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #212 Minnesota Mining (3-M) 1043 Box Car
                      > Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #213 SLSF (Frisco) 132053 Box Car
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #214 RI (Rocket Freight) 69852 Box Car
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #215 D&RGW ("Cookie Box") 60007
                      > > White
                      > > >
                      > > > #216 M&StL (Billboard) 54652 Caboose
                      > > Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #217 GN 73232 Box Car
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #218 GN 52069 Box Car
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #219 PE - Pacific Electric 2377 Box Car
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #220 MKT ("Katy") 170198 Reefer
                      > Yellow
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > 50' DD Automobile Car:
                      > > >
                      > > > #301 Southern 149703 Box Car
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #302 D&RGW 65530 Box Car
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #303 GN (Billboard) 3506 Caboose
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > 40' Refrigerator Car:
                      > > >
                      > > > #403 NP 92663 Reefer
                      > Orange
                      > > >
                      > > > #404 SP-UP (PFE) Reefer
                      > Orange
                      > > >
                      > > > #405 SP-UP (PFE) 71117 Reefer
                      > Orange
                      > > >
                      > > > #407 C&NW (Northwestern) 1039 Reefer
                      Grey
                      > > >
                      > > > #408 GB&W (Green Bay) 9227 Reefer
                      Grey
                      > > >
                      > > > #409 MDT (NYC) 22250 White
                      > > >
                      > > > #410 ATSF (Super Chief) 24375 Reefer
                      > Orange
                      > > >
                      > > > #410 ATSF (Grand Canyon) 26079 Reefer
                      > Orange
                      > > >
                      > > > #411 ART (Wab/MoPac) 22654, 22763 Reefer
                      > Yellow
                      > > >
                      > > > #412 Swift 7386 Caboose
                      Red
                      > > >
                      > > > #413 Oscar Meyer 5003 Reefer
                      > > Yellow
                      > > >
                      > > > #414 CB&Q (Zephyr) 75210 Reefer
                      > Yellow
                      > > >
                      > > > #415 C&NW (Mechanical Temp.) 3953
                      Yellow/Dk
                      > > Green
                      > > >
                      > > > #416 UP-SP (PFE) 30127, 30130 Reefer
                      > > Orange
                      > > >
                      > > > #417 Morrell 9206 Reefer
                      > > Yellow
                      > > >
                      > > > #418 PFE (Ice Service) 65005, 65009 Reefer
                      > > Orange
                      > > >
                      > > > #419 C&NW Reefer
                      Grey
                      > > >
                      > > > #420 BAR (Maine Potato) 6535 White/Lt
                      > Blue
                      > > >
                      > > > #421 MDT (NYC) 22250 White
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > _______________O_________________
                      > > >
                      > > > More to come, Ray
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Chuck, I'm sending just the complete Pacific HO with this
                      > post.
                      > > > > There is no prefix number -- only Walthers used a prefix
                      number
                      > > for
                      > > > > Silver Streak, for their inventory of this manufacturer.
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Regular Caboose:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Kit # Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #103 Undec. 28' None
                      Caboose
                      > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #104 Undec. 30' None
                      Caboose
                      > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #110 SP 30'
                      Caboose
                      > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer
                      > > Yellow
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #112 B&O 28'
                      Caboose
                      > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #113 GN 24'
                      Caboose
                      > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183 Silver
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #116 SP (Bay Window) Tuscan
                      > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #117 Undec. (Bay Window) Tuscan
                      > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #118 PC - Pacific Electric (No Cupola)
                      Caboose
                      > > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #119 Undec. (No Cupola)
                      Caboose
                      > > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Truss Rod Caboose:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #120 ERIE (Truss Rod) 04956
                      Caboose
                      > > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > > #121 Undec. (Truss Rod)
                      Caboose
                      > > Red
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                      ___________________O___________________
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > More To Come --- Ray
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                      > > > > wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section.
                      > > Also
                      > > > > take a look
                      > > > > > at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > _____
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      > > > > On Behalf
                      > > > > > Of Chuck Higdon
                      > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                      > > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Hi Ray,
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                      > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > _____
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                      > > > > On Behalf
                      > > > > > Of erieberk
                      > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                      > > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO]
                      Re:
                      > > > Unusual
                      > > > > > Athearn?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to
                      > some
                      > > > you
                      > > > > > already have, after first going with that information; at
                      > least
                      > > > you
                      > > > > > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have
                      to
                      > > do
                      > > > > > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors,
                      I
                      > > > > agree,
                      > > > > > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a
                      lot
                      > > more
                      > > > > > work to have to type each color in though.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                      > > > > > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792
                      > > listings,
                      > > > > > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                      > > > > (Cabooses,
                      > > > > > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of
                      > > > Walthers
                      > > > > > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also
                      > do
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might
                      be
                      > > > best
                      > > > > to
                      > > > > > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers
                      earlier
                      > > > (929)
                      > > > > > production, even though this prefix number is higher than
                      > 792,
                      > > > and
                      > > > > > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's
                      > are
                      > > > > > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit
                      > number,
                      > > > > then
                      > > > > > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they
                      > continued
                      > > to
                      > > > > > make).
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second
                      > > > paragraph,
                      > > > > > which I think might be even better, would be to first list
                      > all
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production
                      > > > remakes
                      > > > > of
                      > > > > > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll
                      have
                      > > to
                      > > > > make
                      > > > > > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all
                      > the
                      > > > NEW
                      > > > > > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific
                      HO.
                      > > Then
                      > > > > > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > For instance:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO
                      Remanufacture
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these
                      4
                      > > > > > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                      > > > > in "chronological"
                      > > > > > order. That would best separate them all as to
                      approximately
                      > > when
                      > > > > > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what
                      > you
                      > > > > > think. Ray
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183,
                      not
                      > > cut
                      > > > > > short
                      > > > > > > to 2183.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > _._,___
                      > > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4855 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/10/2008
                      Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise 

                      BTW, I just wanted to mention I have a number of Dick Wright's MHP
Daylight kits and they're extremely well designed.  I don't have the
articulated diner (201" Diner - Lounge - Dormitory)though, so can't
help too much except to say that the 2 end sections were equal length
with the center section being much shorter.  I'm surprised it wasn't
offered as a set.  For the missing section, you might want to try an
eBay search for Limited Editions which also offered many similar kits
back in the early to mid 1980's.  They also had 77' Parlor
Observation and a 77' Diner Lounge Observation for the 1937 - 38
Daylight as well as a 79' Parlor Observation for the 1939 - 41 Coast
Daylight, if you need one (and can find one).   Ray Wetzel
    
                      The 3 unit diner WAS sold as a set.  There were actually four different sets 
cataloged.

 WE04C  Daylight corrogated side
 WE04S  Daylight smooth side
 WE36C Lark corrogated side
 WE47S Cascade smooth side.

A note on the page in the '69 Walthers book says the cars came WITH trucks. 
The ones I have had Central Valleys, not sure if that's what was originally 
supplied or not.  Cars were unpainted, decal sets sold separately.

The Limited Editions cars are no comparison.  They are extremely poorly 
designed and difficult to assemble, while the MHP's were very 
straightforward and simple.  In  fact, I have heard rumors that part of the 
problem with the limited Editions wre that there was a disput between the 
owner and his toolmaker that resulted in some of the tooling being 
deliberately sabotaged.  I do know, from the couple I tried to build, (the 
operative word here is TRIED) that the roof and floor assemblies were two 
different widths, so when you tried to insert the window inserts, nothing 
fit together right.
                      Hi Ray, Hi Don,

                      I have sent a message containing scans of my two end cars this morning, apparently it did not go through as I didnt find it in the message folder. Will try again.
                      The cars that I got, and those which were auctioned off last weekend, had Micro Motive trucks. I consider to replace them with D&G trucks as I did with my Soho cars.
                      I am curious how the MHP Lark three unit diner might have looked like, I understand it had the kitchen car at the end and not in the middle like the Daylight versions.

                      Gerold
                      Group: vintageHO Message: 4856 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/10/2008
                      Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                      Attachments :
                        I ty to send my lost message from earlier today once again. Its out of
                        sequence now...

                        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                        Hi Don, Glenn,



                        Thanks for all the info. I put the book on my wish list ! - Have

                        scanned the sides ( complete cars) , I am quite sure this was a triple

                        unit diner as cars are marked "Coffee Shop" and "Diner", and they both

                        have no vestibules... window arrangement is identical on both sides and

                        does not match my prototype pictures but I have no as-built pictures,

                        only from later years when they were already rebuilt. Maybe windows

                        would be correct for the initial configuration. Anyway this are great

                        models, in some respects better than the old Soho SP cars.



                        My email address is corv8@...



                        Thanks again, Gerold
                        Group: vintageHO Message: 4857 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
                        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                        Continuing on -- Walthers NEW Box cars, etc.


                        WALTHERS NEW EARLY SILVER STREAK


                        40' Standard Box Car:

                        Kit # Road Name/Description Reporting Number Color

                        #929-221 T&P 50496 Box Car Red

                        #929-222 PM 85100 Box Car Red

                        #929-223 D&RGW 68847 Box Car Red

                        #929-224 P&LE (NYC) 34257 Box Car Red

                        #929-225 SLG&W (Saltair) 100 Green

                        #929-226 SLSW (St. Louis S'Western) 37502 Box Car Red

                        #929-299 WKWX Walthers Commemorative 5601 Yellow


                        36' WS Box Car:

                        #929-228 C&O 86438 Box Car Red

                        #929-229 D&H 23692 Box Car Red

                        #929-230 NYC&StL (NKP) 61407 Box Car Red

                        #929-231 NYNH&H 44253 Box Car Red

                        #929-232 Piedmont & Northern 17073 Box Car Red

                        #929-233 TH&B 3524



                        50' Standard Automobile Box Car;

                        #929-351 CRI&P 231397

                        #929-352 ATSF 3756

                        #929-353 UP (Overland)

                        #929-354 MILW

                        #929-355 WAB

                        #929-356 SP (T&NO)



                        40' Refrigerator Car:

                        #929-400 Undec. None Reefer Orange

                        #929-419 C&NW Reefer Yellow

                        #929-422 ATSF (Chief) 25963 Reefer Orange

                        #929-423 ATSF (Super Chief) 26154 Reefer Orange

                        #929-424 ATSF (El Capitan) 26133 Reefer Orange

                        #929-425 ATSF (Scout) 26048 Reefer Orange

                        #929-426 ATSF (Texas Chief) 26236 Reefer Orange

                        #929-427 ATSF (San Francisco Chief) 26288 Reefer Orange

                        #929-428 C&NW 4247 Reefer Yellow

                        #929-429 QREX Grand Union 90104 Green

                        #929-430 NADX Baby Ruth 4511 Reefer Yellow

                        #929-431 WWDX Westcott & Winks 1047 Reefer Yellow

                        #929-432 URT Edelweiss 18301 Reefer Yellow

                        #929-433 SP-UP (PFE) Overland 71407 Reefer Orange

                        #929-450 Undec. None Reefer Yellow


                        Hart Gondola:

                        #929-507 D&RGW Black

                        #929-508 C&NW Box Car Red

                        #929-509 WEP 1103

                        #929-510 MC (NYC) Mich. Cent. Box Car Red

                        #929-511 HV Hocking Valley Box Car Red


                        40' Truss Rod Refrigerator Car:

                        #929-700 Undec. (Truss-Rod) None Reefer Orange


                        40' Truss Rod Box Car:

                        #929-900 Undec. (Truss-Rod) None Box Car Red

                        _______________O_______________

                        That about does it for Walthers 929, as far as I have info on them.
                        Again, any additions or corrections are welcome. You can add what
                        you have on the Walthers 729 below these listings as a separate
                        Walthers Later Silver Streak category and that should round it out.
                        Best, Ray Wetzel



                        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Chuck, Here's the last of the Pacific HO:
                        >
                        >
                        > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                        >
                        >
                        > Kit # Road Name/ Description Reporting Number
                        Color
                        >
                        > Hart Gondola:
                        >
                        > #500 Undec. None
                        Grey
                        >
                        > #501 NYC 616225 Box Car
                        Red
                        >
                        > #502 NYC&StL (NKP)
                        Black
                        >
                        > #503
                        SP
                        >
                        > #504 MKT "Katy" 8670 Reefer
                        Yellow
                        >
                        > #505v Pacific
                        Electric
                        >
                        > #506 NP
                        Black
                        >
                        >
                        > Single Dome Tank
                        Car
                        >
                        > #601 GATX General American Tank 1001
                        Silver
                        >
                        > Conoco
                        Silver
                        >
                        > SCMX Shell Chemical 519
                        Silver
                        >
                        > Texaco
                        Silver
                        >
                        >
                        > 40' Truss-Rod Refrigerator Car:
                        >
                        > #701 GN Western Fruit Express Reefer
                        Yellow
                        >
                        > #703 CS Colorado & Southern 50053 Reefer
                        Orange
                        >
                        >
                        > 40' Truss-Rod Box
                        Car:
                        >
                        > #702 NP 38572 Box Car
                        Red
                        >
                        >
                        > 40' M.O.W. Work
                        Car:
                        >
                        > #801 Bunk Car 430
                        Grey
                        >
                        > #802 Commissary Car 809
                        Grey
                        >
                        > #803 Engineering Car 525
                        Grey
                        >
                        > #804 Ballast Car 383
                        Grey
                        >
                        > #805 Boom Car 720
                        Grey
                        >
                        > #806 Caboose & Supply Car 97
                        Grey
                        >
                        >
                        > That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't confirm)
                        a
                        > 25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you want
                        to
                        > include it as a possible kit to look
                        for.
                        >
                        > ______________O_______________
                        >
                        > Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll be
                        the
                        > same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the
                        Walthers
                        > 929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific
                        HO's.
                        > I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number (not the
                        > prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first cataloged
                        > them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120
                        ERIE
                        > for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO
                        kits
                        > that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from the
                        > Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits. In
                        > thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                        > Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                        > Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as the "S"
                        will
                        > indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                        > make it even more easier to understand. Ray
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Hi Chuck, I just finished up all the rest of Pacific HO, and
                        just
                        > as
                        > > I completed it -- and before I could send it -- I got a message
                        > that
                        > > the connection failed (got knocked off line), I have dial-up --
                        > and
                        > > of course lost everything I just typed for the last of the
                        Pacific
                        > HO
                        > > stuff. I guess the 'putor figured I was on too long or some d*mn
                        > > thing, and cut me off. I'll finish it up in the morning; just
                        not
                        > up
                        > > to it right now after getting wiped out. Later Ray
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                        > > >
                        > > > Standard 40' Box Car:
                        > > >
                        > > > Kit# Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color
                        > > >
                        > > > #201 UP (Union Pacific) 68142, 71991 Box Car
                        > > Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #207 CG (Central of Georgia) 40581, 40584 Box Car
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #208 EJ&E (Chicago Outer Belt) 60357 Dark
                        Green
                        > > >
                        > > > #209 SA (Savanna & Atlanta) 8073 Box Car
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #210 M&StL (Minn. & St' Louis) 50468 Light
                        Green
                        > > >
                        > > > #211 C&O 2570 Box Car
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #212 Minnesota Mining (3-M) 1043 Box Car
                        > Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #213 SLSF (Frisco) 132053 Box Car
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #214 RI (Rocket Freight) 69852 Box Car
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #215 D&RGW ("Cookie Box") 60007
                        > > White
                        > > >
                        > > > #216 M&StL (Billboard) 54652 Caboose
                        > > Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #217 GN 73232 Box Car
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #218 GN 52069 Box Car
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #219 PE - Pacific Electric 2377 Box Car
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #220 MKT ("Katy") 170198 Reefer
                        > Yellow
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > 50' DD Automobile Car:
                        > > >
                        > > > #301 Southern 149703 Box Car
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #302 D&RGW 65530 Box Car
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #303 GN (Billboard) 3506 Caboose
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > 40' Refrigerator Car:
                        > > >
                        > > > #403 NP 92663 Reefer
                        > Orange
                        > > >
                        > > > #404 SP-UP (PFE) Reefer
                        > Orange
                        > > >
                        > > > #405 SP-UP (PFE) 71117 Reefer
                        > Orange
                        > > >
                        > > > #407 C&NW (Northwestern) 1039 Reefer
                        Grey
                        > > >
                        > > > #408 GB&W (Green Bay) 9227 Reefer
                        Grey
                        > > >
                        > > > #409 MDT (NYC) 22250 White
                        > > >
                        > > > #410 ATSF (Super Chief) 24375 Reefer
                        > Orange
                        > > >
                        > > > #410 ATSF (Grand Canyon) 26079 Reefer
                        > Orange
                        > > >
                        > > > #411 ART (Wab/MoPac) 22654, 22763 Reefer
                        > Yellow
                        > > >
                        > > > #412 Swift 7386 Caboose
                        Red
                        > > >
                        > > > #413 Oscar Meyer 5003 Reefer
                        > > Yellow
                        > > >
                        > > > #414 CB&Q (Zephyr) 75210 Reefer
                        > Yellow
                        > > >
                        > > > #415 C&NW (Mechanical Temp.) 3953
                        Yellow/Dk
                        > > Green
                        > > >
                        > > > #416 UP-SP (PFE) 30127, 30130 Reefer
                        > > Orange
                        > > >
                        > > > #417 Morrell 9206 Reefer
                        > > Yellow
                        > > >
                        > > > #418 PFE (Ice Service) 65005, 65009 Reefer
                        > > Orange
                        > > >
                        > > > #419 C&NW Reefer
                        Grey
                        > > >
                        > > > #420 BAR (Maine Potato) 6535 White/Lt
                        > Blue
                        > > >
                        > > > #421 MDT (NYC) 22250 White
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > _______________O_________________
                        > > >
                        > > > More to come, Ray
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "erieberk" <erieberk@> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Chuck, I'm sending just the complete Pacific HO with this
                        > post.
                        > > > > There is no prefix number -- only Walthers used a prefix
                        number
                        > > for
                        > > > > Silver Streak, for their inventory of this manufacturer.
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > PACIFIC HO -- ORIGINAL SILVER STREAK
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Regular Caboose:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Kit # Road Name - Description Reporting Number Color
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #103 Undec. 28' None
                        Caboose
                        > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #104 Undec. 30' None
                        Caboose
                        > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #110 SP 30'
                        Caboose
                        > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #111 UP 30' 301 Reefer
                        > > Yellow
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #112 B&O 28'
                        Caboose
                        > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #113 GN 24'
                        Caboose
                        > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #115 SP "Piggy Back" 30' 2183 Silver
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #116 SP (Bay Window) Tuscan
                        > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #117 Undec. (Bay Window) Tuscan
                        > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #118 PC - Pacific Electric (No Cupola)
                        Caboose
                        > > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #119 Undec. (No Cupola)
                        Caboose
                        > > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Truss Rod Caboose:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #120 ERIE (Truss Rod) 04956
                        Caboose
                        > > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > > #121 Undec. (Truss Rod)
                        Caboose
                        > > Red
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                        ___________________O___________________
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > More To Come --- Ray
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                        > > > > wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section.
                        > > Also
                        > > > > take a look
                        > > > > > at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                        > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > _____
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                        > > > > On Behalf
                        > > > > > Of Chuck Higdon
                        > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                        > > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Hi Ray,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                        > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > _____
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                        > > > > On Behalf
                        > > > > > Of erieberk
                        > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                        > > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO]
                        Re:
                        > > > Unusual
                        > > > > > Athearn?
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to
                        > some
                        > > > you
                        > > > > > already have, after first going with that information; at
                        > least
                        > > > you
                        > > > > > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have
                        to
                        > > do
                        > > > > > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors,
                        I
                        > > > > agree,
                        > > > > > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a
                        lot
                        > > more
                        > > > > > work to have to type each color in though.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                        > > > > > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792
                        > > listings,
                        > > > > > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                        > > > > (Cabooses,
                        > > > > > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of
                        > > > Walthers
                        > > > > > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also
                        > do
                        > > > the
                        > > > > > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might
                        be
                        > > > best
                        > > > > to
                        > > > > > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers
                        earlier
                        > > > (929)
                        > > > > > production, even though this prefix number is higher than
                        > 792,
                        > > > and
                        > > > > > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's
                        > are
                        > > > > > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit
                        > number,
                        > > > > then
                        > > > > > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they
                        > continued
                        > > to
                        > > > > > make).
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second
                        > > > paragraph,
                        > > > > > which I think might be even better, would be to first list
                        > all
                        > > > the
                        > > > > > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production
                        > > > remakes
                        > > > > of
                        > > > > > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll
                        have
                        > > to
                        > > > > make
                        > > > > > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all
                        > the
                        > > > NEW
                        > > > > > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific
                        HO.
                        > > Then
                        > > > > > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > For instance:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO
                        Remanufacture
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these
                        4
                        > > > > > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                        > > > > in "chronological"
                        > > > > > order. That would best separate them all as to
                        approximately
                        > > when
                        > > > > > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what
                        > you
                        > > > > > think. Ray
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE caboose should be numbered 02183,
                        not
                        > > cut
                        > > > > > short
                        > > > > > > to 2183.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > _._,___
                        > > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                        Group: vintageHO Message: 4858 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
                        Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                        Gerold, Yes, you're absolutely right in what you've come to
                        understand, the MHP Lark articulated Diner has the kitchen car
                        section at the end (not in the middle, as does the Daylight) as is
                        illustrated in the Walthers 1969 Catalog on page 30. Naturally, the
                        Lark Diner is longer than the Daylight Diner, as the configuration of
                        the three sections are the same for both trains -- a longer section
                        on either end with a short section in the center. Ray W.


                        -- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Gerold Eckl <corv8@...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > Hi Ray, Hi Don,
                        >
                        > I have sent a message containing scans of my two end cars this
                        morning,
                        > apparently it did not go through as I didnt find it in the message
                        > folder. Will try again.
                        > The cars that I got, and those which were auctioned off last
                        weekend,
                        > had Micro Motive trucks. I consider to replace them with D&G trucks
                        as I
                        > did with my Soho cars.
                        > I am curious how the MHP Lark three unit diner might have looked
                        like, I
                        > understand it had the kitchen car at the end and not in the middle
                        like
                        > the Daylight versions.
                        >
                        > Gerold
                        >
                        Group: vintageHO Message: 4859 From: erieberk Date: 1/10/2008
                        Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                        Hi Don, Yes, thanks, I am aware that all the (Cascade, Daylight and
                        Lark) MHP articulated Diners were sold as 3-piece sets from Wright
                        Enterprises/Walthers, which was why I was surprised that Gerold's
                        diner units were missing a section and weren't offered as a set when
                        he bought them. I don't know whether mine came with trucks or not;
                        I've never opened them -- yet I have a United/PFM GS-4 I could
                        operate with them (LOL) -- I just never was able to get many of them,
                        or enough to make a train, so I use my Blue Line and American Beauty
                        cars instead.

                        Thanks for cluing me in on those Limited Editions. At one time, I
                        was thinking of getting some -- there were even a bunch on eBay last
                        year I was mulling over about bidding on. Never knew they were that
                        bad though; I know enough to stay away from them now. Oh BTW, in case
                        you were wondering what I was talking about when I brought up about
                        Dick Wright's other (171 page) book, on the SP Equipment, the rest of
                        the title is a "Circular" (not a Cicular) -- might make more sense
                        now. Ray


                        --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                        wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                        > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:35 PM
                        > Subject: [vintageHO] Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                        >
                        > >
                        > > BTW, I just wanted to mention I have a number of Dick Wright's MHP
                        > > Daylight kits and they're extremely well designed. I don't have
                        the
                        > > articulated diner (201' Diner - Lounge - Dormitory) though, so
                        can't
                        > > help too much except to say that the 2 end sections were equal
                        length
                        > > with the center section being much shorter. I'm surprised it
                        wasn't
                        > > offered as a set. For the missing section, you might want to try
                        an
                        > > eBay search for Limited Editions which also offered many similar
                        kits
                        > > back in the early to mid 1980's. They also had 77' Parlor
                        > > Observation and a 77' Diner Lounge Observation for the 1937 - 38
                        > > Daylight as well as a 79' Parlor Observation for the 1939 - 41
                        Coast
                        > > Daylight, if you need one (and can find one). Ray Wetzel
                        >



                        > The 3 unit diner WAS sold as a set. There were actually four
                        different sets
                        > cataloged.
                        >
                        > WE04C Daylight corrogated side
                        > WE04S Daylight smooth side
                        > WE36C Lark corrogated side
                        > WE47S Cascade smooth side.
                        >
                        > A note on the page in the '69 Walthers book says the cars came WITH
                        trucks.
                        > The ones I have had Central Valleys, not sure if that's what was
                        originally
                        > supplied or not. Cars were unpainted, decal sets sold separately.
                        >
                        > The Limited Editions cars are no comparison. They are extremely
                        poorly
                        > designed and difficult to assemble, while the MHP's were very
                        > straightforward and simple. In fact, I have heard rumors that
                        part of the
                        > problem with the limited Editions wre that there was a disput
                        between the
                        > owner and his toolmaker that resulted in some of the tooling being
                        > deliberately sabotaged. I do know, from the couple I tried to
                        build, (the
                        > operative word here is TRIED) that the roof and floor assemblies
                        were two
                        > different widths, so when you tried to insert the window inserts,
                        nothing
                        > fit together right.
                        >
                        > Don
                        >
                        > don.dellmann@...
                        > http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                        > Owner-Moderator
                        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                        > Co-owner
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                        >
                        Group: vintageHO Message: 4860 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/10/2008
                        Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                        The Cascade and Lark both have the kitchen at the end.  The center section appears to be the diner, the OTHER end looks very similar to the non articulated tavern cars (but fewer windows).
                         
                        My scanner isn't working, I tried to photograph the page but it didn't turn out.  If anyone has Walthers' catalogs from 1969,1970 or 1971 that can scan the pages and post them that'd be great.  The catalog doesn't show pictures, it just gives line drawings, but it does show you the window arrangements of the various cars.
                         
                        Don
                         
                         
                         
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:09 PM
                        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise


                        BTW, I just wanted to mention I have a number of Dick Wright's MHP
Daylight kits and they're extremely well designed.  I don't have the
articulated diner (201" Diner - Lounge - Dormitory)though, so can't
help too much except to say that the 2 end sections were equal length
with the center section being much shorter.  I'm surprised it wasn't
offered as a set.  For the missing section, you might want to try an
eBay search for Limited Editions which also offered many similar kits
back in the early to mid 1980's.  They also had 77' Parlor
Observation and a 77' Diner Lounge Observation for the 1937 - 38
Daylight as well as a 79' Parlor Observation for the 1939 - 41 Coast
Daylight, if you need one (and can find one).   Ray Wetzel
    
                        The 3 unit diner WAS sold as a set.  There were actually four different sets 
cataloged.

 WE04C  Daylight corrogated side
 WE04S  Daylight smooth side
 WE36C Lark corrogated side
 WE47S Cascade smooth side.

A note on the page in the '69 Walthers book says the cars came WITH trucks. 
The ones I have had Central Valleys, not sure if that's what was originally 
supplied or not.  Cars were unpainted, decal sets sold separately.

The Limited Editions cars are no comparison.  They are extremely poorly 
designed and difficult to assemble, while the MHP's were very 
straightforward and simple.  In  fact, I have heard rumors that part of the 
problem with the limited Editions wre that there was a disput between the 
owner and his toolmaker that resulted in some of the tooling being 
deliberately sabotaged.  I do know, from the couple I tried to build, (the 
operative word here is TRIED) that the roof and floor assemblies were two 
different widths, so when you tried to insert the window inserts, nothing 
fit together right.
                        Hi Ray, Hi Don,

                        I have sent a message containing scans of my two end cars this morning, apparently it did not go through as I didnt find it in the message folder. Will try again.
                        The cars that I got, and those which were auctioned off last weekend, had Micro Motive trucks. I consider to replace them with D&G trucks as I did with my Soho cars.
                        I am curious how the MHP Lark three unit diner might have looked like, I understand it had the kitchen car at the end and not in the middle like the Daylight versions.

                        Gerold
                        Group: vintageHO Message: 4861 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/10/2008
                        Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                        I seem to recall the Lark's diner being a different configuration--based on one trip--a friend and I rode a commute into San Francisco one Saturday morning--managed to get to ride the Lark as they turned it.  I seem to recall the lark's diner having the Kitchen at the front followed by two dining room sections.  The Lark, being an all-Pullman train, might not have had much of a "Coffee Shop" clientele. 
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:09 PM
                        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise


                        BTW, I just wanted to mention I have a number of Dick Wright's MHP
Daylight kits and they're extremely well designed.  I don't have the
articulated diner (201" Diner - Lounge - Dormitory)though, so can't
help too much except to say that the 2 end sections were equal length
with the center section being much shorter.  I'm surprised it wasn't
offered as a set.  For the missing section, you might want to try an
eBay search for Limited Editions which also offered many similar kits
back in the early to mid 1980's.  They also had 77' Parlor
Observation and a 77' Diner Lounge Observation for the 1937 - 38
Daylight as well as a 79' Parlor Observation for the 1939 - 41 Coast
Daylight, if you need one (and can find one).   Ray Wetzel
    
                        The 3 unit diner WAS sold as a set.  There were actually four different sets 
cataloged.

 WE04C  Daylight corrogated side
 WE04S  Daylight smooth side
 WE36C Lark corrogated side
 WE47S Cascade smooth side.

A note on the page in the '69 Walthers book says the cars came WITH trucks. 
The ones I have had Central Valleys, not sure if that's what was originally 
supplied or not.  Cars were unpainted, decal sets sold separately.

The Limited Editions cars are no comparison.  They are extremely poorly 
designed and difficult to assemble, while the MHP's were very 
straightforward and simple.  In  fact, I have heard rumors that part of the 
problem with the limited Editions wre that there was a disput between the 
owner and his toolmaker that resulted in some of the tooling being 
deliberately sabotaged.  I do know, from the couple I tried to build, (the 
operative word here is TRIED) that the roof and floor assemblies were two 
different widths, so when you tried to insert the window inserts, nothing 
fit together right.
                        Hi Ray, Hi Don,

                        I have sent a message containing scans of my two end cars this morning, apparently it did not go through as I didnt find it in the message folder. Will try again.
                        The cars that I got, and those which were auctioned off last weekend, had Micro Motive trucks. I consider to replace them with D&G trucks as I did with my Soho cars.
                        I am curious how the MHP Lark three unit diner might have looked like, I understand it had the kitchen car at the end and not in the middle like the Daylight versions.

                        Gerold
                        Group: vintageHO Message: 4862 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/10/2008
                        Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                        Are both sides of each car the same? The Coffee Shop had that wide space to
                        allow for a coffee urn and service station at mid-car. End units were 70
                        ft each, the center, kitchen unit was 57 ft. Windows were long, narrow, and
                        high on the side, just below the letterboard. There was a pantry at each
                        end, with the kitchen in the middle. There were at least four different
                        classed of articulated diner sets. Have fun with the train. gj


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Gerold Eckl" <corv8@...>
                        To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:12 PM
                        Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise


                        >I ty to send my lost message from earlier today once again. Its out of
                        > sequence now...
                        >
                        > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        >
                        > Hi Don, Glenn,
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Thanks for all the info. I put the book on my wish list ! - Have
                        >
                        > scanned the sides ( complete cars) , I am quite sure this was a triple
                        >
                        > unit diner as cars are marked "Coffee Shop" and "Diner", and they both
                        >
                        > have no vestibules... window arrangement is identical on both sides and
                        >
                        > does not match my prototype pictures but I have no as-built pictures,
                        >
                        > only from later years when they were already rebuilt. Maybe windows
                        >
                        > would be correct for the initial configuration. Anyway this are great
                        >
                        > models, in some respects better than the old Soho SP cars.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > My email address is corv8@...
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Thanks again, Gerold
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Yahoo! Groups Links
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        Group: vintageHO Message: 4863 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/10/2008
                        Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                        Ray,

                        I do not know either.  Guess my mind was else where.  We even ran some EL last night.

                        Take care.

                         

                        Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                         

                        From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erieberk
                        Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:38 PM
                        To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                         

                        Chuck, I was wondering who Eric was since I don't see any emails by
                        anyone with that name. But as I see you're replying to my post, it
                        just dawned on me that perhaps you're trying to use my User name
                        (erieberk) but got it wrong(?)- LOL. If so, its not eric, its erie
                        (as in ERIE RR), with berk (short for Berkshire ), referring to their
                        famous 2-8-4's of the time. Glad to see you're not wasting too much
                        time on these revisions. Great to have short cuts to make things
                        easier. Happy railroading! Later, Ray

                        --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
                        wrote:

                        >
                        > Eric,
                        >
                        > The bigger file took about ten minutes to whip around. So I am
                        just setting
                        > it up to delete what needs to go and revise what needs to be
                        revised. I
                        > know a few short cuts that make it easy to work with these files.
                        I will be
                        > model railroading soon tonight, so more soon.
                        >
                        > Take care.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                        > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > _____
                        >
                        > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                        [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
                        On Behalf
                        > Of erieberk
                        > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:14 AM
                        > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                        > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Chuck, Okay, I've just checked out your latest draft. Although I
                        > know you're eager to get something out, in looking it over I think
                        it
                        > might be best to wait until getting my whole input before making
                        > corrections. For starters, NONE of the 4-Wheel Bobber Cabooses were
                        > original Pacific HO production, but don't change that yet (please
                        > wait until you get everything). The other thing is that almost all
                        > of your Walthers 929 kit numbers are NOT 929 kit numbers. Of the
                        > remaining 929 kit numbers you have which are actual 929 kit
                        numbers,
                        > none of the road names for these 929 kits numbers are correct. I
                        > also note that you have the 729 Hart Gondolas listed right after
                        the
                        > Pacific HO Bobber Caboose (which can be eliminated for Pacific HO)
                        > listing instead of having them at the end after the 929 listings,
                        but
                        > maybe you were just waiting for more data before moving them around
                        > (?). Sorry to have to put you through all the extra work, but
                        > perhaps you should have waited for my complete listings after all,
                        as
                        > it may be less confusing that way.
                        >
                        > Oh, I guess you can eliminate the Note on your line 147 about the
                        PH
                        > Catalog #'s (PH#__), and the Walthers Catalog #'s (792#__), unless
                        > you want to include the Walthers 929, with an explanation as to
                        which
                        > ones came first and also which 929's are Pacific HO re-do's, but I
                        > don't think that's necessary if you have the full headings for
                        these
                        > four groups as I suggested. We can also do away with the Notes on
                        > your pages 149 & 151 about the car colors since you're including
                        them
                        > all with every car. I'll start from scratch, first with all the
                        > Pacific HO numbers (only), hopefully later today, then go to
                        Walthers
                        > 929 re-makes of Pacific HO and then to all the Walthers 929 new
                        kits
                        > (that were never produced by Pacific HO). Best regards, Ray
                        >
                        > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        ps.com,
                        > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > I have put a draft of the four groups in the file section. Also
                        > take a look
                        > > at the 1999 catalog, the caboose are separated better in it.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                        > > http://community. <
                        href="http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104">http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                        > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > _____
                        > >
                        > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        ps.com
                        > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        ps.com]
                        > On Behalf
                        > > Of Chuck Higdon
                        > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:22 PM
                        > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        ps.com
                        > > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Hi Ray,
                        > >
                        > > The four groups do sound the best and will be easy to do up.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Please look at 8), is it Eire or SP?
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                        > > http://community. <
                        href="http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104">http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                        > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > _____
                        > >
                        > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        ps.com
                        > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        ps.com]
                        > On Behalf
                        > > Of erieberk
                        > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:30 AM
                        > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                        ps.com
                        > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                        Unusual
                        > > Athearn?
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Hi Chuck, I see what you mean about making corrections to some
                        you
                        > > already have, after first going with that information; at least
                        you
                        > > had something to work with. I just didn't want you to have to do
                        > > double work. Well, as long as you're filling in ALL colors, I
                        > agree,
                        > > you might as well remove the notations for them. It is a lot more
                        > > work to have to type each color in though.
                        > >
                        > > After thinking about it some, I believe it might be more
                        > > understandable if we were to make separate Walthers 792 listings,
                        > > either below each of the Pacific HO listings of each group
                        > (Cabooses,
                        > > Box Cars, etc.), or as a complete and separate listing of
                        Walthers
                        > > kits after the end of all the Pacific HO. As we should also do
                        the
                        > > same for Walthers early production (929), I think it might be
                        best
                        > to
                        > > have all the Pacific HO first, then all the Walthers earlier
                        (929)
                        > > production, even though this prefix number is higher than 792,
                        and
                        > > then do all the Walthers (792) later production.
                        > >
                        > > I'll go back through the cabooses and indicate which one's are
                        > > original Pacific HO first (by just having their 3-digit number,
                        > then
                        > > Walthers (929) carry-overs of Pacific HO (which they continued to
                        > > make).
                        > >
                        > > A variation of the listing method proposed in the second
                        paragraph,
                        > > which I think might be even better, would be to first list all
                        the
                        > > Pacific HO, then all the Walthers (929) earlier production
                        remakes
                        > of
                        > > Pacific HO, separating these by followed with -- (you'll have to
                        > make
                        > > a notation right with these three Walthers listings) -- all the
                        NEW
                        > > Walthers (929) kits which were never produced by Pacific HO. Then
                        > > finally, all of the later (792) production.
                        > >
                        > > For instance:
                        > >
                        > > Pacific HO -- Original Silver Streak
                        > >
                        > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- Pacific HO Remanufacture
                        > >
                        > > Walthers (929) -- Early Production -- New Production
                        > >
                        > > Walthers (792) -- Later Production
                        > >
                        > > For ease of reading, we should probably list them in these 4
                        > > groupings like this, one grouping after the other,
                        > in "chronological"
                        > > order. That would best separate them all as to approximately when
                        > > they were produced compared to each other. Let me know what you
                        > > think. Ray
                        > >
                        > > > (8) The kit #120 ERIE
                        caboose should be numbered 02183, not cut
                        > > short
                        > > > to 2183.
                        > > >
                        > > _._,___
                        > >
                        >
                        Group: vintageHO Message: 4864 From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com Date: 1/10/2008
                        Subject: New file uploaded to vintageHO
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                        Group: vintageHO Message: 4865 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/10/2008
                        Subject: WRIGHT ENTERPRISES
                        Attachments :
                          I uploaded two scans from the 1971 Walthers catalog od Wright Passenger
                          cars, also attached. The catalog did not lay quite flat in the scanner so
                          there is some distortion. Roger Aultman
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4866 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/12/2008
                          Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                          Hello Ray,

                          I now have four sections.  I have put the S in the one group and have not merged the third group with the second as you had mentioned yet.  As I review the first section along with the notes, I see that it includes some Walthers production.  So I wonder if we should add some dates to all of this.  Something like “This group used these catalog numbers from 19?? to 19 ??.” 

                           

                          I will update the file in the site later this weekend.

                           

                          Take care.

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          That about does it for Walthers 929, as far as I have info on them.
                          Again, any additions or corrections are welcome. You can add what
                          you have on the Walthers 729 below these listings as a separate
                          Walthers Later Silver Streak category and that should round it out.
                          Best, Ray Wetzel

                          > That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't confirm)
                          a
                          > 25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you want
                          to
                          > include it as a possible kit to look
                          for.
                          >
                          > ____________ __O______ _________
                          >
                          > Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll be
                          the
                          > same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the
                          Walthers
                          > 929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific
                          HO's.
                          > I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number (not
                          the
                          > prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first cataloged
                          > them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120
                          ERIE
                          > for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO
                          kits
                          > that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from the
                          > Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits. In
                          > thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                          > Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                          > Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as the "S"
                          will
                          > indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                          > make it even more easier to understand. Ray
                          >
                          _._,___

                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4867 From: erieberk Date: 1/12/2008
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          Hi Chuck, Looks like you're pretty well set to go on putting
                          together the spread-sheet. Getting back to what you're saying about
                          the first section -- Pacific HO; yes, this first section's kit
                          numbers (original Silver Streak) were also used later by Walthers but
                          with their 929 prefix with them. This is why we're using an "S" on
                          those Walthers kits (along with their 929), to denote which
                          previously Pacific HO kits Walthers continued to make.

                          I suppose you could also include a date, even though its not
                          completely necessary, but it would at least give the times these kit
                          groups were made. For now, these dates will have to be approximate
                          since I'm not sure of their exact dates. To start with, the earliest
                          that I can find through catalogs as to when Pacific HO was first
                          offered was 1950 (I suspect it was earlier). When Dave Spanagel was
                          publishing "The Reporting Mark," for the HOSC&H Group (HO Scale
                          Collectors & History) of this Special Interest Group of the NMRA back
                          in the mid '80's - early '90's, he wrote an article on Pacific
                          HO/Silver Streak. I've misplaced my issue containing that, but if I
                          come across it I can fill in more exact dates.

                          What I do have from model catalogs other than that of Pacific HO
                          confirms that Pacific HO first produced four undec cabooses, seven
                          40' standard WS box cars, one 36' WS box car, one 50' auto car,
                          sixteen 40' reefers and the four single-dome tank cars in 1950. By
                          1953, they added six more cabooses and three work cars. Perhaps
                          early MR's or MRC's would yield others in their possible ads (I'll
                          look back into that).

                          Not having every Walthers catalog, the last I see of Pacific HO was
                          1971, and the first time I see Walthers 929 Silver Streak was 1973,
                          during that time they bought out Pacific HO and offered the same
                          kits, only. The first time I see Walthers 929 undecorated 40'
                          standard box cars, 40' truss-rod cars, 50' Auto Cars, 40' reefers and
                          hart gondolas was 1974. The problem with adding dates to all of
                          Walthers new 929 production is that they spread it out over a number
                          of years. In 1978, the added #929-176 through #929-181, and #929-422
                          through #929-427. Then in 1979, they added #929-123 through #929-
                          128, #929-228 through #929-233, #929-351 through #929-356, #929-428
                          through #929-433, and #929-506 through #929-511. Then in 1980 they
                          added #929-130 through #929-133, #929-182 through #929-187, and #929-
                          299. I believe that's it, as things remained the same at least
                          though the mid 1980's: I'm not sure if I left anything out.
                          Regards, Ray



                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Hello Ray,
                          >
                          > I now have four sections. I have put the S in the one group and
                          have not
                          > merged the third group with the second as you had mentioned yet.
                          As I
                          > review the first section along with the notes, I see that it
                          includes some
                          > Walthers production. So I wonder if we should add some dates to
                          all of
                          > this. Something like "This group used these catalog numbers from
                          19?? to 19
                          > ??."
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > I will update the file in the site later this weekend.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Take care.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > That about does it for Walthers 929, as far as I have info on them.
                          > Again, any additions or corrections are welcome. You can add what
                          > you have on the Walthers 729 below these listings as a separate
                          > Walthers Later Silver Streak category and that should round it out.
                          > Best, Ray Wetzel
                          >
                          > > That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't
                          confirm)
                          > a
                          > > 25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you
                          want
                          > to
                          > > include it as a possible kit to look
                          > for.
                          > >
                          > > ______________O_______________
                          > >
                          > > Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll be
                          > the
                          > > same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the
                          > Walthers
                          > > 929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific
                          > HO's.
                          > > I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number (not
                          the
                          > > prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first cataloged
                          > > them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120
                          > ERIE
                          > > for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO
                          > kits
                          > > that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from the
                          > > Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits. In
                          > > thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                          > > Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                          > > Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as the "S"
                          > will
                          > > indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                          > > make it even more easier to understand. Ray
                          > >
                          > _._,___
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4868 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/12/2008
                          Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                          Ray,

                          OK, maybe release dates are not the best idea.  I have loaded some and also put the file at the site.  Take a look and tell me what you think.  I put some dates in but if it just doesn’t make sense then I will go back and delete them.  I did copy the type of car for each line.  This way if the file is searched by roadname the car type comes along also.

                          Take care,

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
                          Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:08 PM
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                           

                          Hi Chuck, Looks like you're pretty well set to go on putting
                          together the spread-sheet. Getting back to what you're saying about
                          the first section -- Pacific HO; yes, this first section's kit
                          numbers (original Silver Streak) were also used later by Walthers but
                          with their 929 prefix with them. This is why we're using an "S" on
                          those Walthers kits (along with their 929), to denote which
                          previously Pacific HO kits Walthers continued to make.

                          I suppose you could also include a date, even though its not
                          completely necessary, but it would at least give the times these kit
                          groups were made. For now, these dates will have to be approximate
                          since I'm not sure of their exact dates. To start with, the earliest
                          that I can find through catalogs as to when Pacific HO was first
                          offered was 1950 (I suspect it was earlier). When Dave Spanagel was
                          publishing "The Reporting Mark," for the HOSC&H Group (HO Scale
                          Collectors & History) of this Special Interest Group of the NMRA back
                          in the mid '80's - early '90's, he wrote an article on Pacific
                          HO/Silver Streak. I've misplaced my issue containing that, but if I
                          come across it I can fill in more exact dates.

                          What I do have from model catalogs other than that of Pacific HO
                          confirms that Pacific HO first produced four undec cabooses, seven
                          40' standard WS box cars, one 36' WS box car, one 50' auto car,
                          sixteen 40' reefers and the four single-dome tank cars in 1950. By
                          1953, they added six more cabooses and three work cars. Perhaps
                          early MR's or MRC's would yield others in their possible ads (I'll
                          look back into that).

                          Not having every Walthers catalog, the last I see of Pacific HO was
                          1971, and the first time I see Walthers 929 Silver Streak was 1973,
                          during that time they bought out Pacific HO and offered the same
                          kits, only. The first time I see Walthers 929 undecorated 40'
                          standard box cars, 40' truss-rod cars, 50' Auto Cars, 40' reefers and
                          hart gondolas was 1974. The problem with adding dates to all of
                          Walthers new 929 production is that they spread it out over a number
                          of years. In 1978, the added #929-176 through #929-181, and #929-422
                          through #929-427. Then in 1979, they added #929-123 through #929-
                          128, #929-228 through #929-233, #929-351 through #929-356, #929-428
                          through #929-433, and #929-506 through #929-511. Then in 1980 they
                          added #929-130 through #929-133, #929-182 through #929-187, and #929-
                          299. I believe that's it, as things remained the same at least
                          though the mid 1980's: I'm not sure if I left anything out.
                          Regards, Ray

                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
                          wrote:

                          >
                          > Hello Ray,
                          >
                          > I now have four sections. I have put the S in the one group and
                          have not
                          > merged the third group with the second as you had mentioned yet.
                          As I
                          > review the first section along with the notes, I see that it
                          includes some
                          > Walthers production. So I wonder if we should add some dates to
                          all of
                          > this. Something like "This group used these catalog numbers from
                          19?? to 19
                          > ??."
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > I will update the file in the site later this weekend.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Take care.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > That about does it for Walthers 929, as far as I have info on them.
                          > Again, any additions or corrections are welcome. You can add what
                          > you have on the Walthers 729 below these listings as a separate
                          > Walthers Later Silver Streak category and that should round it out.
                          > Best, Ray Wetzel
                          >
                          > > That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't
                          confirm)
                          > a
                          > > 25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you
                          want
                          > to
                          > > include it as a possible kit to look
                          > for.
                          > >
                          > > ____________ __O______ _________
                          > >
                          > > Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll be
                          > the
                          > > same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the
                          > Walthers
                          > > 929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific
                          > HO's.
                          > > I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number
                          (not
                          the
                          > > prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first cataloged
                          > > them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120
                          > ERIE
                          > > for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO
                          > kits
                          > > that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from the
                          > > Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits. In
                          > > thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                          > > Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                          > > Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as the
                          "S"
                          > will
                          > > indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                          > > make it even more easier to understand. Ray
                          > >
                          > _._,___
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4869 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/13/2008
                          Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          I have an ad with a picture of an UP D/S boxcar kit for "The Silver Streak
                          Line" (box cover has a picture of the Hart gondola), for "The Pacific HO
                          Company" in The Model Railroader DECEMBER 1946 issue. so they WERE around
                          quite a bit before1950.

                          In regards to your other comment about Walthers, 1984 is the year that will
                          live in infamy.

                          The 1984 catalog still lists all the S/S products, but there's a full page
                          ad announcing "New freight cars from Walthers in 1984" and "An exciting
                          NEW (caps mine) line of freight car kits is now in preparation".

                          In the 1985 book, the S/S cars were gone, and the "exciting new line" was of
                          course the Train-Miniature cars which WERE new in 1970!

                          It wasn't until a few years later that they resurfaced under the "Ye Olde
                          Huff & Puff" name. (I don't have every catalog, in '89 they still weren't
                          listed by '92 they were)

                          Don

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                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:08 PM
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak


                          > Hi Chuck, Looks like you're pretty well set to go on putting
                          > together the spread-sheet. Getting back to what you're saying about
                          > the first section -- Pacific HO; yes, this first section's kit
                          > numbers (original Silver Streak) were also used later by Walthers but
                          > with their 929 prefix with them. This is why we're using an "S" on
                          > those Walthers kits (along with their 929), to denote which
                          > previously Pacific HO kits Walthers continued to make.
                          >
                          > I suppose you could also include a date, even though its not
                          > completely necessary, but it would at least give the times these kit
                          > groups were made. For now, these dates will have to be approximate
                          > since I'm not sure of their exact dates. To start with, the earliest
                          > that I can find through catalogs as to when Pacific HO was first
                          > offered was 1950 (I suspect it was earlier). When Dave Spanagel was
                          > publishing "The Reporting Mark," for the HOSC&H Group (HO Scale
                          > Collectors & History) of this Special Interest Group of the NMRA back
                          > in the mid '80's - early '90's, he wrote an article on Pacific
                          > HO/Silver Streak. I've misplaced my issue containing that, but if I
                          > come across it I can fill in more exact dates.
                          >
                          > What I do have from model catalogs other than that of Pacific HO
                          > confirms that Pacific HO first produced four undec cabooses, seven
                          > 40' standard WS box cars, one 36' WS box car, one 50' auto car,
                          > sixteen 40' reefers and the four single-dome tank cars in 1950. By
                          > 1953, they added six more cabooses and three work cars. Perhaps
                          > early MR's or MRC's would yield others in their possible ads (I'll
                          > look back into that).
                          >
                          > Not having every Walthers catalog, the last I see of Pacific HO was
                          > 1971, and the first time I see Walthers 929 Silver Streak was 1973,
                          > during that time they bought out Pacific HO and offered the same
                          > kits, only. The first time I see Walthers 929 undecorated 40'
                          > standard box cars, 40' truss-rod cars, 50' Auto Cars, 40' reefers and
                          > hart gondolas was 1974. The problem with adding dates to all of
                          > Walthers new 929 production is that they spread it out over a number
                          > of years. In 1978, the added #929-176 through #929-181, and #929-422
                          > through #929-427. Then in 1979, they added #929-123 through #929-
                          > 128, #929-228 through #929-233, #929-351 through #929-356, #929-428
                          > through #929-433, and #929-506 through #929-511. Then in 1980 they
                          > added #929-130 through #929-133, #929-182 through #929-187, and #929-
                          > 299. I believe that's it, as things remained the same at least
                          > though the mid 1980's: I'm not sure if I left anything out.
                          > Regards, Ray
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                          > wrote:
                          >>
                          >> Hello Ray,
                          >>
                          >> I now have four sections. I have put the S in the one group and
                          > have not
                          >> merged the third group with the second as you had mentioned yet.
                          > As I
                          >> review the first section along with the notes, I see that it
                          > includes some
                          >> Walthers production. So I wonder if we should add some dates to
                          > all of
                          >> this. Something like "This group used these catalog numbers from
                          > 19?? to 19
                          >> ??."
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> I will update the file in the site later this weekend.
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Take care.
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          >> http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> That about does it for Walthers 929, as far as I have info on them.
                          >> Again, any additions or corrections are welcome. You can add what
                          >> you have on the Walthers 729 below these listings as a separate
                          >> Walthers Later Silver Streak category and that should round it out.
                          >> Best, Ray Wetzel
                          >>
                          >> > That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't
                          > confirm)
                          >> a
                          >> > 25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you
                          > want
                          >> to
                          >> > include it as a possible kit to look
                          >> for.
                          >> >
                          >> > ______________O_______________
                          >> >
                          >> > Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll be
                          >> the
                          >> > same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the
                          >> Walthers
                          >> > 929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific
                          >> HO's.
                          >> > I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number (not
                          > the
                          >> > prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first cataloged
                          >> > them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120
                          >> ERIE
                          >> > for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO
                          >> kits
                          >> > that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from the
                          >> > Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits. In
                          >> > thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                          >> > Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                          >> > Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as the "S"
                          >> will
                          >> > indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                          >> > make it even more easier to understand. Ray
                          >> >
                          >> _._,___
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4870 From: erieberk Date: 1/13/2008
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          Thanks for checking out MR. Your post prompted me to take a quick
                          check also. In a brief check back as far as 1948 (January MR) I
                          found Pacific HO ads indicating they made a good variety of their 40'
                          box cars and reefers. I haven't yet checked back any further, but it
                          looks like they started quite a bit before 1950 as you stated. We
                          could really use an early Pacific HO catalog to find out the extent
                          of their line back then. This literature can occasionally be found
                          at train meets, usually when you least expect it. I've got a bunch
                          of my catalogs that way but don't have one for Silver Streak.

                          I don't have every Walthers catalog either, but I used to buy it
                          about every other year or so, probably like everyone else from what
                          I'm starting to find out. I have the 1984 catalog, but don't have
                          the 1985 one, so I wasn't aware of exactly when Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff
                          took over the Silver Streak line. They did send me their catalog
                          back then, but it wasn't dated, and I don't remember what year I
                          received it, and I didn't know what year after 1984 the Silver Streak
                          cars were gone from Walthers. It looks like we'll leave off the
                          dates in the Silver Streak spread sheet, as it would get too involved
                          since Walthers had new kits coming out every few years since they
                          took it over from Pacific HO. Ray


                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > I have an ad with a picture of an UP D/S boxcar kit for "The Silver
                          Streak
                          > Line" (box cover has a picture of the Hart gondola), for "The
                          Pacific HO
                          > Company" in The Model Railroader DECEMBER 1946 issue. so they WERE
                          around
                          > quite a bit before1950.
                          >
                          > In regards to your other comment about Walthers, 1984 is the year
                          that will
                          > live in infamy.
                          >
                          > The 1984 catalog still lists all the S/S products, but there's a
                          full page
                          > ad announcing "New freight cars from Walthers in 1984" and "An
                          exciting
                          > NEW (caps mine) line of freight car kits is now in preparation".
                          >
                          > In the 1985 book, the S/S cars were gone, and the "exciting new
                          line" was of
                          > course the Train-Miniature cars which WERE new in 1970!
                          >
                          > It wasn't until a few years later that they resurfaced under
                          the "Ye Olde
                          > Huff & Puff" name. (I don't have every catalog, in '89 they still
                          weren't
                          > listed by '92 they were)
                          >
                          > Don
                          >
                          > don.dellmann@...
                          > http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                          > Owner-Moderator
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                          > Co-owner
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                          > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:08 PM
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          > > Hi Chuck, Looks like you're pretty well set to go on putting
                          > > together the spread-sheet. Getting back to what you're saying
                          about
                          > > the first section -- Pacific HO; yes, this first section's kit
                          > > numbers (original Silver Streak) were also used later by Walthers
                          but
                          > > with their 929 prefix with them. This is why we're using an "S"
                          on
                          > > those Walthers kits (along with their 929), to denote which
                          > > previously Pacific HO kits Walthers continued to make.
                          > >
                          > > I suppose you could also include a date, even though its not
                          > > completely necessary, but it would at least give the times these
                          kit
                          > > groups were made. For now, these dates will have to be
                          approximate
                          > > since I'm not sure of their exact dates. To start with, the
                          earliest
                          > > that I can find through catalogs as to when Pacific HO was first
                          > > offered was 1950 (I suspect it was earlier). When Dave Spanagel
                          was
                          > > publishing "The Reporting Mark," for the HOSC&H Group (HO Scale
                          > > Collectors & History) of this Special Interest Group of the NMRA
                          back
                          > > in the mid '80's - early '90's, he wrote an article on Pacific
                          > > HO/Silver Streak. I've misplaced my issue containing that, but
                          if I
                          > > come across it I can fill in more exact dates.
                          > >
                          > > What I do have from model catalogs other than that of Pacific HO
                          > > confirms that Pacific HO first produced four undec cabooses, seven
                          > > 40' standard WS box cars, one 36' WS box car, one 50' auto car,
                          > > sixteen 40' reefers and the four single-dome tank cars in 1950.
                          By
                          > > 1953, they added six more cabooses and three work cars. Perhaps
                          > > early MR's or MRC's would yield others in their possible ads (I'll
                          > > look back into that).
                          > >
                          > > Not having every Walthers catalog, the last I see of Pacific HO
                          was
                          > > 1971, and the first time I see Walthers 929 Silver Streak was
                          1973,
                          > > during that time they bought out Pacific HO and offered the same
                          > > kits, only. The first time I see Walthers 929 undecorated 40'
                          > > standard box cars, 40' truss-rod cars, 50' Auto Cars, 40' reefers
                          and
                          > > hart gondolas was 1974. The problem with adding dates to all of
                          > > Walthers new 929 production is that they spread it out over a
                          number
                          > > of years. In 1978, the added #929-176 through #929-181, and #929-
                          422
                          > > through #929-427. Then in 1979, they added #929-123 through #929-
                          > > 128, #929-228 through #929-233, #929-351 through #929-356, #929-
                          428
                          > > through #929-433, and #929-506 through #929-511. Then in 1980
                          they
                          > > added #929-130 through #929-133, #929-182 through #929-187, and
                          #929-
                          > > 299. I believe that's it, as things remained the same at least
                          > > though the mid 1980's: I'm not sure if I left anything out.
                          > > Regards, Ray
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > >>
                          > >> Hello Ray,
                          > >>
                          > >> I now have four sections. I have put the S in the one group and
                          > > have not
                          > >> merged the third group with the second as you had mentioned yet.
                          > > As I
                          > >> review the first section along with the notes, I see that it
                          > > includes some
                          > >> Walthers production. So I wonder if we should add some dates to
                          > > all of
                          > >> this. Something like "This group used these catalog numbers from
                          > > 19?? to 19
                          > >> ??."
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> I will update the file in the site later this weekend.
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Take care.
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > >> http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> That about does it for Walthers 929, as far as I have info on
                          them.
                          > >> Again, any additions or corrections are welcome. You can add what
                          > >> you have on the Walthers 729 below these listings as a separate
                          > >> Walthers Later Silver Streak category and that should round it
                          out.
                          > >> Best, Ray Wetzel
                          > >>
                          > >> > That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't
                          > > confirm)
                          > >> a
                          > >> > 25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you
                          > > want
                          > >> to
                          > >> > include it as a possible kit to look
                          > >> for.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > ______________O_______________
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll
                          be
                          > >> the
                          > >> > same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the
                          > >> Walthers
                          > >> > 929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific
                          > >> HO's.
                          > >> > I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number (not
                          > > the
                          > >> > prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first
                          cataloged
                          > >> > them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120
                          > >> ERIE
                          > >> > for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO
                          > >> kits
                          > >> > that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from
                          the
                          > >> > Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits.
                          In
                          > >> > thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                          > >> > Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                          > >> > Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as
                          the "S"
                          > >> will
                          > >> > indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                          > >> > make it even more easier to understand. Ray
                          > >> >
                          > >> _._,___
                          > >>
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4871 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/13/2008
                          Subject: Re: MHP / Wright Enterprise
                          erieberk wrote:
                          > Hi Don, Yes, thanks, I am aware that all the (Cascade, Daylight and
                          > Lark) MHP articulated Diners were sold as 3-piece sets from Wright
                          > Enterprises/Walthers, which was why I was surprised that Gerold's
                          > diner units were missing a section and weren't offered as a set when
                          > he bought them. I don't know whether mine came with trucks or not;
                          > I've never opened them -- yet I have a United/PFM GS-4 I could
                          > operate with them (LOL) -- I just never was able to get many of them,
                          > or enough to make a train, so I use my Blue Line and American Beauty
                          > cars instead.
                          >
                          I bought my set at eBay.de , they came from an estate and the seller did
                          not know anything about them. I may buy a few Broadway Daylight cars -
                          not a complete train, to many bucks, if they will be ever released and
                          will keep my eyes open for Lark cars.
                          I have to admit that I thought this are American Limited cars when I
                          placed my bid - glad they are not!

                          - The car lettered "coffee shop" has a wide section in the middle, but
                          both sides are identical. They came with Micro-Motive four wheel trucks,
                          should have six-wheel trucks at the articulations and Triple Bolster
                          Trucks at the ends. BTW, I learned that some of those three car sets
                          lost their kitchen unit later , although no longer in Daylight colors
                          ... so I feel with some modelers license I can justify to run them the
                          way they are now, maybe with other trucks. .


                          Thanks for all the info.

                          Gerold
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4872 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/13/2008
                          Subject: American Beauty Pendulum Car
                          After the MHP car discussion, I thought I should continue with another
                          passenger car puzzle.... I have a yet unbuilt American Beauty GN
                          "Pendulum" coach. I am somewhat disappointed as it has flat sides, not
                          the distictive round cross-section like the prototype; and even worse,
                          there are two identical sides so the assembled car would have the
                          vestibule doors in diagonally opposite corners!
                          Have the full instructions for it, but they show only ageneric plan.
                          Wonder if this is the way those kits came, or if I got a mixed up box?

                          Gerold
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4873 From: erieberk Date: 1/13/2008
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You sure
                          know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my listing are
                          not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any questions.
                          Almost looks like we might be better off starting from scratch
                          <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is not
                          insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to #10 are
                          for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-do's are
                          listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          Walthers 929 New Early Production.

                          (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between the
                          Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the spread
                          sheet and to find stuff).

                          (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just have the
                          Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit styles.

                          (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they had none
                          (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced in 1953
                          which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from 1/9
                          (archive post #4844).

                          (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126, #127,
                          #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO numbers.
                          What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108, #109, #113
                          and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing (again,
                          please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).

                          (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into different sizes
                          (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all jumbled
                          up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          descriptions -- that's enough.

                          (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before #116 and
                          #121 before #120.

                          (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506) after the
                          reefers (#400's).

                          (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my mistake
                          on that).

                          (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          (#700's).

                          !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as Note (1),
                          etc.

                          (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer Kits to
                          indicate they start after #421 (not #419).

                          (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-Wheel
                          BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check back
                          to my Pacific HO listing if needed).

                          (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO Standard
                          Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the separate
                          size categories (with individual headings); their description says it
                          all.

                          (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF you
                          have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and S133 --
                          these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list; post
                          #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --
                          post number 4896.

                          (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.

                          (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it --
                          Drover and Combination Caboose.

                          (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO kits.

                          (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40' Reefers
                          (#S400's).

                          (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.

                          (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers (#S700's).

                          (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.

                          (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New Production
                          (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).

                          (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after the
                          Drovers and Combination Cabooses.

                          (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 -- no
                          such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).

                          (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after the
                          Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).

                          (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293, they're
                          Walthers #792 numbers.

                          (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These #929-323
                          to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792 numbers.

                          (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit number
                          order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the word "Ice"
                          from the heading. They were never described as such in the catalogs
                          (even though most were ice bunker reefers).

                          (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422 through
                          #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers were all
                          ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.


                          Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect there will
                          be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the bulk of
                          it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray



                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Ray,
                          >
                          > OK, maybe release dates are not the best idea. I have loaded some
                          and also
                          > put the file at the site. Take a look and tell me what you think.
                          I put
                          > some dates in but if it just doesn't make sense then I will go back
                          and
                          > delete them. I did copy the type of car for each line. This way
                          if the
                          > file is searched by roadname the car type comes along also.
                          >
                          > Take care,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:08 PM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi Chuck, Looks like you're pretty well set to go on putting
                          > together the spread-sheet. Getting back to what you're saying about
                          > the first section -- Pacific HO; yes, this first section's kit
                          > numbers (original Silver Streak) were also used later by Walthers
                          but
                          > with their 929 prefix with them. This is why we're using an "S" on
                          > those Walthers kits (along with their 929), to denote which
                          > previously Pacific HO kits Walthers continued to make.
                          >
                          > I suppose you could also include a date, even though its not
                          > completely necessary, but it would at least give the times these
                          kit
                          > groups were made. For now, these dates will have to be approximate
                          > since I'm not sure of their exact dates. To start with, the
                          earliest
                          > that I can find through catalogs as to when Pacific HO was first
                          > offered was 1950 (I suspect it was earlier). When Dave Spanagel was
                          > publishing "The Reporting Mark," for the HOSC&H Group (HO Scale
                          > Collectors & History) of this Special Interest Group of the NMRA
                          back
                          > in the mid '80's - early '90's, he wrote an article on Pacific
                          > HO/Silver Streak. I've misplaced my issue containing that, but if I
                          > come across it I can fill in more exact dates.
                          >
                          > What I do have from model catalogs other than that of Pacific HO
                          > confirms that Pacific HO first produced four undec cabooses, seven
                          > 40' standard WS box cars, one 36' WS box car, one 50' auto car,
                          > sixteen 40' reefers and the four single-dome tank cars in 1950. By
                          > 1953, they added six more cabooses and three work cars. Perhaps
                          > early MR's or MRC's would yield others in their possible ads (I'll
                          > look back into that).
                          >
                          > Not having every Walthers catalog, the last I see of Pacific HO was
                          > 1971, and the first time I see Walthers 929 Silver Streak was 1973,
                          > during that time they bought out Pacific HO and offered the same
                          > kits, only. The first time I see Walthers 929 undecorated 40'
                          > standard box cars, 40' truss-rod cars, 50' Auto Cars, 40' reefers
                          and
                          > hart gondolas was 1974. The problem with adding dates to all of
                          > Walthers new 929 production is that they spread it out over a
                          number
                          > of years. In 1978, the added #929-176 through #929-181, and #929-
                          422
                          > through #929-427. Then in 1979, they added #929-123 through #929-
                          > 128, #929-228 through #929-233, #929-351 through #929-356, #929-428
                          > through #929-433, and #929-506 through #929-511. Then in 1980 they
                          > added #929-130 through #929-133, #929-182 through #929-187, and
                          #929-
                          > 299. I believe that's it, as things remained the same at least
                          > though the mid 1980's: I'm not sure if I left anything out.
                          > Regards, Ray
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com,
                          > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Hello Ray,
                          > >
                          > > I now have four sections. I have put the S in the one group and
                          > have not
                          > > merged the third group with the second as you had mentioned yet.
                          > As I
                          > > review the first section along with the notes, I see that it
                          > includes some
                          > > Walthers production. So I wonder if we should add some dates to
                          > all of
                          > > this. Something like "This group used these catalog numbers from
                          > 19?? to 19
                          > > ??."
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > I will update the file in the site later this weekend.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Take care.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > That about does it for Walthers 929, as far as I have info on
                          them.
                          > > Again, any additions or corrections are welcome. You can add what
                          > > you have on the Walthers 729 below these listings as a separate
                          > > Walthers Later Silver Streak category and that should round it
                          out.
                          > > Best, Ray Wetzel
                          > >
                          > > > That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't
                          > confirm)
                          > > a
                          > > > 25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you
                          > want
                          > > to
                          > > > include it as a possible kit to look
                          > > for.
                          > > >
                          > > > ______________O_______________
                          > > >
                          > > > Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll
                          be
                          > > the
                          > > > same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the
                          > > Walthers
                          > > > 929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific
                          > > HO's.
                          > > > I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number (not
                          > the
                          > > > prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first
                          cataloged
                          > > > them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120
                          > > ERIE
                          > > > for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO
                          > > kits
                          > > > that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from
                          the
                          > > > Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits.
                          In
                          > > > thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                          > > > Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                          > > > Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as
                          the "S"
                          > > will
                          > > > indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                          > > > make it even more easier to understand. Ray
                          > > >
                          > > _._,___
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4874 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/13/2008
                          Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          Not to jump in on the end of this, but would it be easier to list each car
                          and road number just once, with instead 3 or 4 columns for the various
                          incarnations of the line?

                          Don

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                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 3:44 PM
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak


                          > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You sure
                          > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my listing are
                          > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any questions.
                          > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from scratch
                          > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is not
                          > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to #10 are
                          > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-do's are
                          > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          >
                          > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between the
                          > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the spread
                          > sheet and to find stuff).
                          >
                          > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just have the
                          > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit styles.
                          >
                          > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they had none
                          > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced in 1953
                          > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from 1/9
                          > (archive post #4844).
                          >
                          > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126, #127,
                          > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO numbers.
                          > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108, #109, #113
                          > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing (again,
                          > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          >
                          > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into different sizes
                          > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all jumbled
                          > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          >
                          > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before #116 and
                          > #121 before #120.
                          >
                          > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506) after the
                          > reefers (#400's).
                          >
                          > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my mistake
                          > on that).
                          >
                          > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > (#700's).
                          >
                          > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as Note (1),
                          > etc.
                          >
                          > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer Kits to
                          > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          >
                          > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-Wheel
                          > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check back
                          > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          >
                          > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO Standard
                          > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the separate
                          > size categories (with individual headings); their description says it
                          > all.
                          >
                          > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF you
                          > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and S133 --
                          > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list; post
                          > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --
                          > post number 4896.
                          >
                          > (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          >
                          > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it --
                          > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          >
                          > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO kits.
                          >
                          > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40' Reefers
                          > (#S400's).
                          >
                          > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          >
                          > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers (#S700's).
                          >
                          > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          >
                          > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New Production
                          > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          >
                          > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after the
                          > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          >
                          > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 -- no
                          > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          >
                          > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after the
                          > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          >
                          > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293, they're
                          > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          >
                          > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These #929-323
                          > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792 numbers.
                          >
                          > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit number
                          > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the word "Ice"
                          > from the heading. They were never described as such in the catalogs
                          > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          >
                          > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422 through
                          > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers were all
                          > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          >
                          >
                          > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect there will
                          > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the bulk of
                          > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                          > wrote:
                          >>
                          >> Ray,
                          >>
                          >> OK, maybe release dates are not the best idea. I have loaded some
                          > and also
                          >> put the file at the site. Take a look and tell me what you think.
                          > I put
                          >> some dates in but if it just doesn't make sense then I will go back
                          > and
                          >> delete them. I did copy the type of car for each line. This way
                          > if the
                          >> file is searched by roadname the car type comes along also.
                          >>
                          >> Take care,
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          >> http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> _____
                          >>
                          >> From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          >> Of erieberk
                          >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:08 PM
                          >> To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          >> Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Hi Chuck, Looks like you're pretty well set to go on putting
                          >> together the spread-sheet. Getting back to what you're saying about
                          >> the first section -- Pacific HO; yes, this first section's kit
                          >> numbers (original Silver Streak) were also used later by Walthers
                          > but
                          >> with their 929 prefix with them. This is why we're using an "S" on
                          >> those Walthers kits (along with their 929), to denote which
                          >> previously Pacific HO kits Walthers continued to make.
                          >>
                          >> I suppose you could also include a date, even though its not
                          >> completely necessary, but it would at least give the times these
                          > kit
                          >> groups were made. For now, these dates will have to be approximate
                          >> since I'm not sure of their exact dates. To start with, the
                          > earliest
                          >> that I can find through catalogs as to when Pacific HO was first
                          >> offered was 1950 (I suspect it was earlier). When Dave Spanagel was
                          >> publishing "The Reporting Mark," for the HOSC&H Group (HO Scale
                          >> Collectors & History) of this Special Interest Group of the NMRA
                          > back
                          >> in the mid '80's - early '90's, he wrote an article on Pacific
                          >> HO/Silver Streak. I've misplaced my issue containing that, but if I
                          >> come across it I can fill in more exact dates.
                          >>
                          >> What I do have from model catalogs other than that of Pacific HO
                          >> confirms that Pacific HO first produced four undec cabooses, seven
                          >> 40' standard WS box cars, one 36' WS box car, one 50' auto car,
                          >> sixteen 40' reefers and the four single-dome tank cars in 1950. By
                          >> 1953, they added six more cabooses and three work cars. Perhaps
                          >> early MR's or MRC's would yield others in their possible ads (I'll
                          >> look back into that).
                          >>
                          >> Not having every Walthers catalog, the last I see of Pacific HO was
                          >> 1971, and the first time I see Walthers 929 Silver Streak was 1973,
                          >> during that time they bought out Pacific HO and offered the same
                          >> kits, only. The first time I see Walthers 929 undecorated 40'
                          >> standard box cars, 40' truss-rod cars, 50' Auto Cars, 40' reefers
                          > and
                          >> hart gondolas was 1974. The problem with adding dates to all of
                          >> Walthers new 929 production is that they spread it out over a
                          > number
                          >> of years. In 1978, the added #929-176 through #929-181, and #929-
                          > 422
                          >> through #929-427. Then in 1979, they added #929-123 through #929-
                          >> 128, #929-228 through #929-233, #929-351 through #929-356, #929-428
                          >> through #929-433, and #929-506 through #929-511. Then in 1980 they
                          >> added #929-130 through #929-133, #929-182 through #929-187, and
                          > #929-
                          >> 299. I believe that's it, as things remained the same at least
                          >> though the mid 1980's: I'm not sure if I left anything out.
                          >> Regards, Ray
                          >>
                          >> --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com,
                          >> "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          >> wrote:
                          >> >
                          >> > Hello Ray,
                          >> >
                          >> > I now have four sections. I have put the S in the one group and
                          >> have not
                          >> > merged the third group with the second as you had mentioned yet.
                          >> As I
                          >> > review the first section along with the notes, I see that it
                          >> includes some
                          >> > Walthers production. So I wonder if we should add some dates to
                          >> all of
                          >> > this. Something like "This group used these catalog numbers from
                          >> 19?? to 19
                          >> > ??."
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > I will update the file in the site later this weekend.
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > Take care.
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          >> > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          >> webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > That about does it for Walthers 929, as far as I have info on
                          > them.
                          >> > Again, any additions or corrections are welcome. You can add what
                          >> > you have on the Walthers 729 below these listings as a separate
                          >> > Walthers Later Silver Streak category and that should round it
                          > out.
                          >> > Best, Ray Wetzel
                          >> >
                          >> > > That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't
                          >> confirm)
                          >> > a
                          >> > > 25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you
                          >> want
                          >> > to
                          >> > > include it as a possible kit to look
                          >> > for.
                          >> > >
                          >> > > ______________O_______________
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll
                          > be
                          >> > the
                          >> > > same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the
                          >> > Walthers
                          >> > > 929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific
                          >> > HO's.
                          >> > > I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number (not
                          >> the
                          >> > > prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first
                          > cataloged
                          >> > > them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120
                          >> > ERIE
                          >> > > for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO
                          >> > kits
                          >> > > that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from
                          > the
                          >> > > Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits.
                          > In
                          >> > > thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                          >> > > Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                          >> > > Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as
                          > the "S"
                          >> > will
                          >> > > indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                          >> > > make it even more easier to understand. Ray
                          >> > >
                          >> > _._,___
                          >> >
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4875 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/13/2008
                          Subject: Re: Silver Streak

                          HI Ray,

                           

                          I think I got most of the changes.

                           

                          3), did you want me to put it there?

                           

                          4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier posts, sorry.  I have checked them and also what I printed out.

                           

                          14) the last section ” Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --

                          > post number 4896.”  Need some help with this line.

                           

                          24), Which numbers did you want removed?

                           

                          29), I missed 929-421, what is it?

                           

                          File on site now.

                           

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
                          Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                           

                          Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You sure
                          know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my listing are
                          not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any questions.
                          Almost looks like we might be better off starting from scratch
                          <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is not
                          insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to #10 are
                          for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-do's are
                          listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          Walthers 929 New Early Production.

                          (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between the
                          Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the spread
                          sheet and to find stuff).

                          (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just have the
                          Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit styles.

                          (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they had none
                          (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced in 1953
                          which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from 1/9
                          (archive post #4844).

                          (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126, #127,
                          #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO numbers.
                          What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108, #109, #113
                          and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing (again,
                          please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).

                          (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into different sizes
                          (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all jumbled
                          up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          descriptions -- that's enough.

                          (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before #116 and
                          #121 before #120.

                          (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506) after the
                          reefers (#400's).

                          (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my mistake
                          on that).

                          (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          (#700's).

                          !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as Note (1),
                          etc.

                          (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer Kits to
                          indicate they start after #421 (not #419).

                          (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-Wheel
                          BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check back
                          to my Pacific HO listing if needed).

                          (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO Standard
                          Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the separate
                          size categories (with individual headings); their description says it
                          all.

                          (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF you
                          have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and S133 --
                          these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list; post
                          #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --
                          post number 4896.

                          (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.

                          (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it --
                          Drover and Combination Caboose.

                          (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO kits.

                          (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40' Reefers
                          (#S400's).

                          (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.

                          (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers (#S700's).

                          (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.

                          (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New Production
                          (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).

                          (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after the
                          Drovers and Combination Cabooses.

                          (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 -- no
                          such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).

                          (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after the
                          Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).

                          (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293, they're
                          Walthers #792 numbers.

                          (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These #929-323
                          to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792 numbers.

                          (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit number
                          order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the word "Ice"
                          from the heading. They were never described as such in the catalogs
                          (even though most were ice bunker reefers).

                          (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422 through
                          #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers were all
                          ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.

                          Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect there will
                          be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the bulk of
                          it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4876 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/13/2008
                          Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Strea

                          Don,

                           

                          I guess we are trying to include some sort of a time line for the different cars over the years.  There is not an easy way to display this with all of the variables.  So who can say.  Who knows maybe no one will even look at it once it is done.  I am just waiting for some glue to dry before I can get back to building.

                           

                          Take care,

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Don Dellmann
                          Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 7:14 PM
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                           

                          Not to jump in on the end of this, but would it be easier to list each car
                          and road number just once, with instead 3 or 4 columns for the various
                          incarnations of the line?

                          Don

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                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "erieberk" <erieberk@wmconnect. com>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 3:44 PM
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                          > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You sure
                          > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my listing are
                          > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any questions.
                          > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from scratch
                          > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is not
                          > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to #10 are
                          > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-do's are
                          > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          >
                          > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between the
                          > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the spread
                          > sheet and to find stuff).
                          >
                          > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just have the
                          > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit styles.
                          >
                          > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they had none
                          > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced in 1953
                          > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from 1/9
                          > (archive post #4844).
                          >
                          > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126, #127,
                          > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO numbers.
                          > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108, #109, #113
                          > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing (again,
                          > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          >
                          > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into different sizes
                          > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all jumbled
                          > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          >
                          > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before #116 and
                          > #121 before #120.
                          >
                          > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506) after the
                          > reefers (#400's).
                          >
                          > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my mistake
                          > on that).
                          >
                          > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > (#700's).
                          >
                          > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as Note (1),
                          > etc.
                          >
                          > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer Kits to
                          > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          >
                          > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-Wheel
                          > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check back
                          > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          >
                          > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO Standard
                          > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the separate
                          > size categories (with individual headings); their description says it
                          > all.
                          >
                          > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF you
                          > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and S133 --
                          > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list; post
                          > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --
                          > post number 4896.
                          >
                          > (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          >
                          > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it --
                          > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          >
                          > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO kits.
                          >
                          > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40' Reefers
                          > (#S400's).
                          >
                          > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          >
                          > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers (#S700's).
                          >
                          > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          >
                          > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New Production
                          > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          >
                          > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after the
                          > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          >
                          > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 -- no
                          > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          >
                          > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after the
                          > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          >
                          > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293, they're
                          > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          >
                          > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These #929-323
                          > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792 numbers.
                          >
                          > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit number
                          > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the word "Ice"
                          > from the heading. They were never described as such in the catalogs
                          > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          >
                          > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422 through
                          > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers were all
                          > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          >
                          >
                          > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect there will
                          > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the bulk of
                          > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
                          > wrote:
                          >>
                          >> Ray,
                          >>
                          >> OK, maybe release dates are not the best idea. I have loaded some
                          > and also
                          >> put the file at the site. Take a look and tell me what you think.
                          > I put
                          >> some dates in but if it just doesn't make sense then I will go back
                          > and
                          >> delete them. I did copy the type of car for each line. This way
                          > if the
                          >> file is searched by roadname the car type comes along also.
                          >>
                          >> Take care,
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          >> http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> _____
                          >>
                          >> From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          >> Of erieberk
                          >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:08 PM
                          >> To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                          >> Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Hi Chuck, Looks like you're pretty well set to go on putting
                          >> together the spread-sheet. Getting back to what you're saying about
                          >> the first section -- Pacific HO; yes, this first section's kit
                          >> numbers (original Silver Streak) were also used later by Walthers
                          > but
                          >> with their 929 prefix with them. This is why we're using an "S" on
                          >> those Walthers kits (along with their 929), to denote which
                          >> previously Pacific HO kits Walthers continued to make.
                          >>
                          >> I suppose you could also include a date, even though its not
                          >> completely necessary, but it would at least give the times these
                          > kit
                          >> groups were made. For now, these dates will have to be approximate
                          >> since I'm not sure of their exact dates. To start with, the
                          > earliest
                          >> that I can find through catalogs as to when Pacific HO was first
                          >> offered was 1950 (I suspect it was earlier). When Dave Spanagel was
                          >> publishing "The Reporting Mark," for the HOSC&H Group (HO Scale
                          >> Collectors & History) of this Special Interest Group of the NMRA
                          > back
                          >> in the mid '80's - early '90's, he wrote an article on Pacific
                          >> HO/Silver Streak. I've misplaced my issue containing that, but if I
                          >> come across it I can fill in more exact dates.
                          >>
                          >> What I do have from model catalogs other than that of Pacific HO
                          >> confirms that Pacific HO first produced four undec cabooses, seven
                          >> 40' standard WS box cars, one 36' WS box car, one 50' auto car,
                          >> sixteen 40' reefers and the four single-dome tank cars in 1950. By
                          >> 1953, they added six more cabooses and three work cars. Perhaps
                          >> early MR's or MRC's would yield others in their possible ads (I'll
                          >> look back into that).
                          >>
                          >> Not having every Walthers catalog, the last I see of Pacific HO was
                          >> 1971, and the first time I see Walthers 929 Silver Streak was 1973,
                          >> during that time they bought out Pacific HO and offered the same
                          >> kits, only. The first time I see Walthers 929 undecorated 40'
                          >> standard box cars, 40' truss-rod cars, 50' Auto Cars, 40' reefers
                          > and
                          >> hart gondolas was 1974. The problem with adding dates to all of
                          >> Walthers new 929 production is that they spread it out over a
                          > number
                          >> of years. In 1978, the added #929-176 through #929-181, and #929-
                          > 422
                          >> through #929-427. Then in 1979, they added #929-123 through #929-
                          >> 128, #929-228 through #929-233, #929-351 through #929-356, #929-428
                          >> through #929-433, and #929-506 through #929-511. Then in 1980 they
                          >> added #929-130 through #929-133, #929-182 through #929-187, and
                          > #929-
                          >> 299. I believe that's it, as things remained the same at least
                          >> though the mid 1980's: I'm not sure if I left anything out.
                          >> Regards, Ray
                          >>
                          >> --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com,
                          >> "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          >> wrote:
                          >> >
                          >> > Hello Ray,
                          >> >
                          >> > I now have four sections. I have put the S in the one group and
                          >> have not
                          >> > merged the third group with the second as you had mentioned yet.
                          >> As I
                          >> > review the first section along with the notes, I see that it
                          >> includes some
                          >> > Walthers production. So I wonder if we should add some dates to
                          >> all of
                          >> > this. Something like "This group used these catalog numbers from
                          >> 19?? to 19
                          >> > ??."
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > I will update the file in the site later this weekend.
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > Take care.
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          >> > http://community. <http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                          >> webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > That about does it for Walthers 929, as far as I have info on
                          > them.
                          >> > Again, any additions or corrections are welcome. You can add what
                          >> > you have on the Walthers 729 below these listings as a separate
                          >> > Walthers Later Silver Streak category and that should round it
                          > out.
                          >> > Best, Ray Wetzel
                          >> >
                          >> > > That wraps up Pacific HO, although I've read of (but can't
                          >> confirm)
                          >> > a
                          >> > > 25 Ton Industrial Brownhoist Wrecker (Kit # ? color ?) if you
                          >> want
                          >> > to
                          >> > > include it as a possible kit to look
                          >> > for.
                          >> > >
                          >> > > ____________ __O______ _________
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Now as for Early Walthers 929 Pacific HO carry-overs, they'll
                          > be
                          >> > the
                          >> > > same Silver Streak numbers as Pacific HO used, but with the
                          >> > Walthers
                          >> > > 929 prefix number, and they carried over everything of Pacific
                          >> > HO's.
                          >> > > I suggest we use an "S" in front of the actual kit number (not
                          >> the
                          >> > > prefix number) for these, similar to how Walthers first
                          > cataloged
                          >> > > them before they used their own prefix number -- like #929-S120
                          >> > ERIE
                          >> > > for instance. This will differentiate original type Pacific HO
                          >> > kits
                          >> > > that were offered by Early Walthers production of these, from
                          > the
                          >> > > Early Walthers production of their own new Silver Streak kits.
                          > In
                          >> > > thinking about this further, we could probably run the new 929
                          >> > > Walthers kits (coming up next) in with and continuing after the
                          >> > > Walthers 929 S... (Pacific HO re-runs) as ONE LISTING as
                          > the "S"
                          >> > will
                          >> > > indicate the difference between them. This should save work and
                          >> > > make it even more easier to understand. Ray
                          >> > >
                          >> > _._,___
                          >> >
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4877 From: Russ Shiel Date: 1/13/2008
                          Subject: McKean PS-1 boxcars
                          Having just built my first McKean car (NP) I have a couple of
                          questions of the font of information on the list:

                          The instruction sheet has 'Sky Lim Inc' as the builder, but when I
                          googled 'McKean', I got 'Accurate Finishing' as the builder. Does
                          anyone have more information on McKean models?

                          Hunting through RMC got me an anticipatory ad in Apr. 1981, with
                          McKean boxcars promised 'in the fall', i.e. autumn 1981 would make it
                          Sept-Nov in the northern hemisphere, wouldn't it? With gaps in my
                          RMC's, the next mention I found was not until Dec. '82, when the PS-1
                          cars were advertised for $4.50. Were they available prior to Dec. '82?

                          And finally, two sets of doors were offered with the kit...five heavy
                          V-shaped ribs or a finer rounded/corrugated rib...I assume that both
                          could have been used over time, but I haven't been able to find a
                          side-view of an NP PS-1 car...would be much appreciated if anyone
                          could direct me to a source.

                          Russ in Adelaide
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4878 From: maobuch@sbcglobal.net Date: 1/14/2008
                          Subject: Model Traincars & Layout Forsale
                           

                          I am offering forsale a large group of HO scale railcars and other items. I also am offering forsale a custom made HO scale layout, which is half done and was tobe made as a ELL layout.

                          I have an older list of HO scale railcars and locomotives that I am not yet placed with E-Bay or have placed into our up coming auction sale, which will be done in March.

                          Any interested parties may contact me off from this group and I will forward my list and I will take any reasonable offer on the layout and/or railcars/locomotives.

                          Some of my goodies are listed now on E-Bay and do a search using my ID of "train_lady_73662" that I use with E-Bay for you will find my #4005 UP BIG BOY UP 4-8-8-4 up forsale, plus some other locomotives that I just listed W/E-bay.

                          Yours Truly, Maryann…Sayre,Ok.

                           
                          Yours Truly, Maryann Obuch
                          http://www.youtube.com/user/arti73662
                           
                           
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4879 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/14/2008
                          Subject: Re: Model Traincars & Layout Forsale
                          Not Vintage!

                          Garry Spear

                          On 1/14/08, maobuch@... <maobuch@... > wrote:

                           

                          I am offering forsale a large group of HO scale railcars and other items. I also am offering forsale a custom made HO scale layout, which is half done and was tobe made as a ELL layout.

                          I have an older list of HO scale railcars and locomotives that I am not yet placed with E-Bay or have placed into our up coming auction sale, which will be done in March.

                          Any interested parties may contact me off from this group and I will forward my list and I will take any reasonable offer on the layout and/or railcars/locomotives.

                          Some of my goodies are listed now on E-Bay and do a search using my ID of "train_lady_73662" that I use with E-Bay for you will find my #4005 UP BIG BOY UP 4-8-8-4 up forsale, plus some other locomotives that I just listed W/E-bay.

                          Yours Truly, Maryann…Sayre,Ok.

                           
                          Yours Truly, Maryann Obuch
                          http://www.youtube.com/user/arti73662
                           
                           
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4880 From: lvtrainmeet Date: 1/14/2008
                          Subject: Nice Train meet this weekend
                          Just wanted to let everyone Know there is a train meet this weekend at
                          Merchants Sqaure Mall 1901 S 12th st Allentown Pa Jan 19th and 20th
                          You Can get info at www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com
                          Hope to see you there.
                          Kevin
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4881 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/14/2008
                          Subject: Re: Model Traincars & Layout Forsale
                          Maryann:
                           
                          I have not moderated your posts, but ever since you joined it seems the only contribution has been to try and sell things.  We don't mind helping people, but please refrain if this is nothing more than a commercial venture.
                           
                          Thanks
                           
                          Don
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:32 AM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] Model Traincars & Layout Forsale

                           

                          I am offering forsale a large group of HO scale railcars and other items. I also am offering forsale a custom made HO scale layout, which is half done and was tobe made as a ELL layout.

                          I have an older list of HO scale railcars and locomotives that I am not yet placed with E-Bay or have placed into our up coming auction sale, which will be done in March.

                          Any interested parties may contact me off from this group and I will forward my list and I will take any reasonable offer on the layout and/or railcars/locomotives.

                          Some of my goodies are listed now on E-Bay and do a search using my ID of "train_lady_73662" that I use with E-Bay for you will find my #4005 UP BIG BOY UP 4-8-8-4 up forsale, plus some other locomotives that I just listed W/E-bay.

                          Yours Truly, Maryann…Sayre,Ok.

                           
                          Yours Truly, Maryann Obuch
                          http://www.youtube.com/user/arti73662
                           
                           
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4882 From: Paul Kayne Date: 1/15/2008
                          Subject: Re: Nice Train meet this weekend
                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "lvtrainmeet" <lvtrainmeet@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Just wanted to let everyone Know there is a train meet this weekend
                          at
                          > Merchants Sqaure Mall 1901 S 12th st Allentown Pa Jan 19th and 20th
                          > You Can get info at www.lehighvalleytrainmeet.com
                          > Hope to see you there.
                          > Kevin

                          Kevin, Thanks for the "Heads Up".....
                          I'll get there Saturday, look for "Western Hat"....Paul Kayne

                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4883 From: Garry Spear Date: 1/15/2008
                          Subject: FS: Older HO Cars & kits
                          I have two boxes of old HO + more to sell. I have a list of 50 or so
                          boxes; 43 currently on the list with 8-10 seperate cars.. The boxes
                          have not been checked Some boxes have kits, some have assembled cars,
                          and some have ??? A quick check tells me that some boxes are complete
                          and correct and some are not.

                          All items will be checked and sold. IF there is a kit or two you are
                          interested in buying please let me know and I will move that box to
                          the top of the list. Not for sale as a big group because I'm told
                          there is a third box with more and this box has parts.

                          Please respond off list directly to me.

                          Garry Spear
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4884 From: erieberk Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: Re: Silver Streak
                          Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over thoroughly,
                          to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did over the
                          weekend. This should about do it now.

                          The first thing I noticed was that you changed things around from the
                          way I had it with what I thought was the more important info (car
                          numbers) first, then the car color after. If you prefer having the
                          car color first, I'm not going to nit-pick on that, but I can't
                          figure out why.

                          Now, following up on the points (#3, #4 , #14, #24 and #29) we last
                          touched on, and starting with #3, Yes you can include the undec 4-
                          wheel Bobber Caboose (caboose red) under Pacific HO but don't include
                          a kit number: I haven't seen a Pacific HO kit number listed for it,
                          and #175 may ONLY be a Walthers 929 number for it.

                          Point #4: You can please remove 105, 106, 109 and 114 under Pacific
                          HO -- they don't exist ass far as I know (sorry).

                          Point #14: On #201, #207, #220, 301-303 and 403-421; disregard this,
                          everything appears to be in order.

                          Point #24: Skip this one too; everything appears okay here -- I must
                          have misread it.

                          Point #29: Disregard this one too -- must have misread something.

                          Other things needing attention:

                          (1) Under Pacific HO, remove #200 undec. -- While Pacific HO may have
                          made one, I can't find it anywhere it the catalogs, although it may
                          surface later.

                          (2) Include Bay Window in the description for PH #116 and Walthers
                          929 -S116 Southern Pacific.

                          (3) Under Pacific HO, re-label #700 through #703 as 40' Truss Rod
                          Cars (as Pacific HO did) or list them as two groups, 40' T/R Box Car
                          and 40' T/R Reefer (as Walthers did -- and as you also did with
                          Walthers). The #700, #701 # 703 are Reefers and the #702 is a Box
                          Car.

                          (4) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, remove Yellow from #929-356
                          SP/T&NO, unless you happen to know its that color. I haven't been
                          able to come up with a color for it yet.

                          (5) I think it reads best to include the reporting marks with the car
                          description, befor the road name. This would apply for 929-428 QREX,
                          929-430 NADX and 929-432 URT.

                          (6) Include the Tank Cars under Pacific HO ONLY, as Walthers never
                          continued them, and again, include any reporting marks in the
                          description, before the roadname.

                          (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola #929-
                          500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer Yellow.

                          Thanks a bunch. Ray


                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > HI Ray,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > I think I got most of the changes.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier posts,
                          sorry. I have
                          > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-
                          303,
                          > 403-421 --
                          > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > File on site now.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver
                          Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You sure
                          > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my listing
                          are
                          > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any questions.
                          > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from scratch
                          > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is not
                          > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to #10
                          are
                          > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-do's
                          are
                          > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          >
                          > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between the
                          > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the spread
                          > sheet and to find stuff).
                          >
                          > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just have the
                          > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit styles.
                          >
                          > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they had
                          none
                          > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced in
                          1953
                          > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from 1/9
                          > (archive post #4844).
                          >
                          > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126, #127,
                          > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          numbers.
                          > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108, #109,
                          #113
                          > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing (again,
                          > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          >
                          > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into different
                          sizes
                          > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all
                          jumbled
                          > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          >
                          > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before #116 and
                          > #121 before #120.
                          >
                          > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506) after the
                          > reefers (#400's).
                          >
                          > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my
                          mistake
                          > on that).
                          >
                          > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > (#700's).
                          >
                          > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as Note
                          (1),
                          > etc.
                          >
                          > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer Kits to
                          > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          >
                          > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-Wheel
                          > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check back
                          > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          >
                          > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO Standard
                          > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the separate
                          > size categories (with individual headings); their description says
                          it
                          > all.
                          >
                          > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF you
                          > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and S133 --
                          > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list; post
                          > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --
                          > post number 4896.
                          >
                          > (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          >
                          > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it --
                          > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          >
                          > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO kits.
                          >
                          > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40' Reefers
                          > (#S400's).
                          >
                          > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          >
                          > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers (#S700's).
                          >
                          > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          >
                          > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          Production
                          > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          >
                          > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after the
                          > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          >
                          > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 -- no
                          > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          >
                          > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after the
                          > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          >
                          > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293,
                          they're
                          > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          >
                          > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These #929-323
                          > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792 numbers.
                          >
                          > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit number
                          > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          word "Ice"
                          > from the heading. They were never described as such in the catalogs
                          > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          >
                          > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422 through
                          > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers were all
                          > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          >
                          > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect there
                          will
                          > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the bulk
                          of
                          > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4885 From: Ian Garton Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: Interiors for MDC Roundhouse Pullman Palace Cars?
                          Hi all,

                          Does anybody know if Walthers ever made interiors for the 4 MDC
                          Roundhouse Pullman Palace Cars? If so, what item numbers were they?

                          Would the typical Walthers interiors for Pullman heavyweights be
                          suitable? Are there any other interior kits that are suitable for the
                          Pullman Palace Cars in terms of seat style and era?

                          Thanks for any help you can offer.

                          Best Regards,
                          Ian
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4886 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: mystery car
                          While rummaging thru the boxes of "Ancient HO" in "The Basement" I found a car body that puzzles me--I have not dug into the MR files to find an ad yet but here is a description:
                           
                          The body is sand-cast aluminum, all in one piece--there are large rectangular openings in the bottom at each end which I suppose supported a core.  There is no rivet detail.  Windows are squareish, with distinct sash. Diaphragms are cast in. Underbody objects are cast on. Definitely smaller cross section than the John English cars, and nowhere near the detail. 
                           
                          HO measurement        1/8" scale meas.
                          Length    72'                79'
                          width        9'                10'
                          side ht,     7'                8'   (sill to eave)
                          total ht.    12'                14' (steps on table, over roof)
                           
                          Anyone got any ideas what it is?  Anyone interested?
                           
                          gj
                           
                           
                           
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4887 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: Re: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                          Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all would be the same format and that is what we did with that one.  No other reason.

                          Updated file at the group site.

                          Take care,

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erieberk
                          Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                           

                          Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over thoroughly,
                          to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did over the
                          weekend. This should about do it now.
                          (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola #929-
                          500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer Yellow.

                          Thanks a bunch. Ray

                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
                          wrote:

                          >
                          > HI Ray,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > I think I got most of the changes.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier posts,
                          sorry. I have
                          > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-
                          303,
                          > 403-421 --
                          > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > File on site now.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                          [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver
                          Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You sure
                          > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my listing
                          are
                          > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any questions.
                          > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from scratch
                          > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is not
                          > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to #10
                          are
                          > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-do's
                          are
                          > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          >
                          > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between the
                          > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the spread
                          > sheet and to find stuff).
                          >
                          > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just have
                          the
                          > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit styles.
                          >
                          > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they had
                          none
                          > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced in
                          1953
                          > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from 1/9
                          > (archive post #4844).
                          >
                          > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126, #127,
                          > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          numbers.
                          > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108, #109,
                          #113
                          > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing (again,
                          > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          >
                          > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into different
                          sizes
                          > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all
                          jumbled
                          > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          >
                          > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before #116 and
                          > #121 before #120.
                          >
                          > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506) after the
                          > reefers (#400's).
                          >
                          > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my
                          mistake
                          > on that).
                          >
                          > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > (#700's).
                          >
                          > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as Note
                          (1),
                          > etc.
                          >
                          > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer Kits to
                          > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          >
                          > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-Wheel
                          > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check back
                          > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          >
                          > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO Standard
                          > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the separate
                          > size categories (with individual headings); their description says
                          it
                          > all.
                          >
                          > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF you
                          > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and S133 --
                          > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list; post
                          > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --
                          > post number 4896.
                          >
                          > (15) Change ERIE
                          Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          >
                          > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it --
                          > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          >
                          > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO kits.
                          >
                          > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40' Reefers
                          > (#S400's).
                          >
                          > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          >
                          > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers (#S700's).
                          >
                          > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          >
                          > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          Production
                          > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          >
                          > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after the
                          > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          >
                          > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 -- no
                          > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          >
                          > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after the
                          > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          >
                          > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293,
                          they're
                          > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          >
                          > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These #929-323
                          > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792 numbers.
                          >
                          > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit number
                          > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          word "Ice"
                          > from the heading. They were never described as such in the catalogs
                          > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          >
                          > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422 through
                          > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers were all
                          > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          >
                          > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect there
                          will
                          > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the bulk
                          of
                          > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4888 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          Yeah, I'm interested.
                          If for no other reason than to have a second unit to put with the
                          one I have!
                          I have an identifier on mine.
                          Go over to Yardbird Yahoo site, click Photos, second page, bottom
                          right.
                          Unknown Cast Aluminum coach.

                          Mine is now painted, with trucks.

                          Dave

                          > While rummaging thru the boxes of "Ancient HO" in "The Basement" I
                          found a car body that puzzles me--I have not dug into the MR files
                          to find an ad yet but here is a description:
                          >
                          > The body is sand-cast aluminum, all in one piece--there are large
                          rectangular openings in the bottom at each end which I suppose
                          supported a core. There is no rivet detail. Windows are squareish,
                          with distinct sash. Diaphragms are cast in. Underbody objects are
                          cast on. Definitely smaller cross section than the John English
                          cars, and nowhere near the detail.
                          >
                          > HO measurement 1/8" scale meas.
                          > Length 72' 79'
                          > width 9' 10'
                          > side ht, 7' 8' (sill to eave)
                          > total ht. 12' 14' (steps on table, over roof)
                          >
                          > Anyone got any ideas what it is? Anyone interested?
                          >
                          > gj
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4889 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: Re: Interiors for MDC Roundhouse Pullman Palace Cars?
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Ian Garton" <ian_garton@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:15 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] Interiors for MDC Roundhouse Pullman Palace Cars?


                          > Hi all,
                          >
                          > Does anybody know if Walthers ever made interiors for the 4 MDC
                          > Roundhouse Pullman Palace Cars? If so, what item numbers were they?
                          >
                          > Would the typical Walthers interiors for Pullman heavyweights be
                          > suitable? Are there any other interior kits that are suitable for the
                          > Pullman Palace Cars in terms of seat style and era?
                          >
                          > Thanks for any help you can offer.
                          >
                          > Best Regards,
                          > Ian

                          The Pullman Palace Interiors were:

                          933-943 Pullman
                          933-944 Observation
                          933-784 Buffet Combine
                          933-950 Diner

                          Hope this helps

                          Don

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                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4890 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          Any chance of a photo?
                           
                          Don
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Glenn476
                          Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:14 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] mystery car

                          While rummaging thru the boxes of "Ancient HO" in "The Basement" I found a car body that puzzles me--I have not dug into the MR files to find an ad yet but here is a description:
                           
                          The body is sand-cast aluminum, all in one piece--there are large rectangular openings in the bottom at each end which I suppose supported a core.  There is no rivet detail.  Windows are squareish, with distinct sash. Diaphragms are cast in. Underbody objects are cast on. Definitely smaller cross section than the John English cars, and nowhere near the detail. 
                           
                          HO measurement        1/8" scale meas.
                          Length    72'                79'
                          width        9'                10'
                          side ht,     7'                8'   (sill to eave)
                          total ht.    12'                14' (steps on table, over roof)
                           
                          Anyone got any ideas what it is?  Anyone interested?
                           
                          gj
                           
                           
                           
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4891 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          Dave--I need a better address--gj
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "curmudgeon" <idioticyahoo@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:22 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] Re: mystery car


                          > Yeah, I'm interested.
                          > If for no other reason than to have a second unit to put with the
                          > one I have!
                          > I have an identifier on mine.
                          > Go over to Yardbird Yahoo site, click Photos, second page, bottom
                          > right.
                          > Unknown Cast Aluminum coach.
                          >
                          > Mine is now painted, with trucks.
                          >
                          > Dave
                          >
                          >> While rummaging thru the boxes of "Ancient HO" in "The Basement" I
                          > found a car body that puzzles me--I have not dug into the MR files
                          > to find an ad yet but here is a description:
                          >>
                          >> The body is sand-cast aluminum, all in one piece--there are large
                          > rectangular openings in the bottom at each end which I suppose
                          > supported a core. There is no rivet detail. Windows are squareish,
                          > with distinct sash. Diaphragms are cast in. Underbody objects are
                          > cast on. Definitely smaller cross section than the John English
                          > cars, and nowhere near the detail.
                          >>
                          >> HO measurement 1/8" scale meas.
                          >> Length 72' 79'
                          >> width 9' 10'
                          >> side ht, 7' 8' (sill to eave)
                          >> total ht. 12' 14' (steps on table, over roof)
                          >>
                          >> Anyone got any ideas what it is? Anyone interested?
                          >>
                          >> gj
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4892 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          I don't do digital photos, but the old curmudgeon has sent me a picture of it--exactly what I have--Knapp. 
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:12 PM
                          Subject: Re: [vintageHO] mystery car

                          Any chance of a photo?
                           
                          Don
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Glenn476
                          Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:14 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] mystery car

                          While rummaging thru the boxes of "Ancient HO" in "The Basement" I found a car body that puzzles me--I have not dug into the MR files to find an ad yet but here is a description:
                           
                          The body is sand-cast aluminum, all in one piece--there are large rectangular openings in the bottom at each end which I suppose supported a core.  There is no rivet detail.  Windows are squareish, with distinct sash. Diaphragms are cast in. Underbody objects are cast on. Definitely smaller cross section than the John English cars, and nowhere near the detail. 
                           
                          HO measurement        1/8" scale meas.
                          Length    72'                79'
                          width        9'                10'
                          side ht,     7'                8'   (sill to eave)
                          total ht.    12'                14' (steps on table, over roof)
                           
                          Anyone got any ideas what it is?  Anyone interested?
                           
                          gj
                           
                           
                           
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4893 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/yardbirdtrains/photos/browse?
                          b=17&m=t&o=5


                          At least that's the header.
                          However, past experience shows yay-who changes the coding frequently
                          so you cannot link to a photo found there for very long.
                          Dave
                          > Dave--I need a better address--gj
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "curmudgeon" <idioticyahoo@...>
                          > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:22 PM
                          > Subject: [vintageHO] Re: mystery car
                          >
                          >
                          > > Yeah, I'm interested.
                          > > If for no other reason than to have a second unit to put with
                          the
                          > > one I have!
                          > > I have an identifier on mine.
                          > > Go over to Yardbird Yahoo site, click Photos, second page,
                          bottom
                          > > right.
                          > > Unknown Cast Aluminum coach.
                          > >
                          > > Mine is now painted, with trucks.
                          > >
                          > > Dave
                          > >
                          > >> While rummaging thru the boxes of "Ancient HO" in "The
                          Basement" I
                          > > found a car body that puzzles me--I have not dug into the MR
                          files
                          > > to find an ad yet but here is a description:
                          > >>
                          > >> The body is sand-cast aluminum, all in one piece--there are
                          large
                          > > rectangular openings in the bottom at each end which I suppose
                          > > supported a core. There is no rivet detail. Windows are
                          squareish,
                          > > with distinct sash. Diaphragms are cast in. Underbody objects
                          are
                          > > cast on. Definitely smaller cross section than the John English
                          > > cars, and nowhere near the detail.
                          > >>
                          > >> HO measurement 1/8" scale meas.
                          > >> Length 72' 79'
                          > >> width 9' 10'
                          > >> side ht, 7' 8' (sill to eave)
                          > >> total ht. 12' 14' (steps on table, over roof)
                          > >>
                          > >> Anyone got any ideas what it is? Anyone interested?
                          > >>
                          > >> gj
                          > >>
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4894 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/21/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          Yahoo wants me to start a new group.. Meanwhile--the photos you have are
                          exactly what I have. gj
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "curmudgeon" <idioticyahoo@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:35 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] Re: mystery car


                          > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/yardbirdtrains/photos/browse?
                          > b=17&m=t&o=5
                          >
                          >
                          > At least that's the header.
                          > However, past experience shows yay-who changes the coding frequently
                          > so you cannot link to a photo found there for very long.
                          > Dave
                          >> Dave--I need a better address--gj
                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >> From: "curmudgeon" <idioticyahoo@...>
                          >> To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:22 PM
                          >> Subject: [vintageHO] Re: mystery car
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> > Yeah, I'm interested.
                          >> > If for no other reason than to have a second unit to put with
                          > the
                          >> > one I have!
                          >> > I have an identifier on mine.
                          >> > Go over to Yardbird Yahoo site, click Photos, second page,
                          > bottom
                          >> > right.
                          >> > Unknown Cast Aluminum coach.
                          >> >
                          >> > Mine is now painted, with trucks.
                          >> >
                          >> > Dave
                          >> >
                          >> >> While rummaging thru the boxes of "Ancient HO" in "The
                          > Basement" I
                          >> > found a car body that puzzles me--I have not dug into the MR
                          > files
                          >> > to find an ad yet but here is a description:
                          >> >>
                          >> >> The body is sand-cast aluminum, all in one piece--there are
                          > large
                          >> > rectangular openings in the bottom at each end which I suppose
                          >> > supported a core. There is no rivet detail. Windows are
                          > squareish,
                          >> > with distinct sash. Diaphragms are cast in. Underbody objects
                          > are
                          >> > cast on. Definitely smaller cross section than the John English
                          >> > cars, and nowhere near the detail.
                          >> >>
                          >> >> HO measurement 1/8" scale meas.
                          >> >> Length 72' 79'
                          >> >> width 9' 10'
                          >> >> side ht, 7' 8' (sill to eave)
                          >> >> total ht. 12' 14' (steps on table, over roof)
                          >> >>
                          >> >> Anyone got any ideas what it is? Anyone interested?
                          >> >>
                          >> >> gj
                          >> >>
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4895 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          Could one of you guys post at least a temporary copy of that image in
                          this group ???

                          Best to ya'
                          Mike Bauers
                          Milwaukee Wi, USA


                          On Jan 21, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Glenn476 wrote:

                          > Yahoo wants me to start a new group.. Meanwhile--the photos you
                          > have are
                          > exactly what I have. gj
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "curmudgeon"
                          >
                          >> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/yardbirdtrains/photos/browse?
                          >> b=17&m=t&o=5
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> At least that's the header.
                          >> However, past experience shows yay-who changes the coding frequently
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4896 From: erieberk Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          Chuck, Looks like we're almost there (who'd have thought it would be
                          so difficult <g>). Well, this should about do it; found a couple
                          more things that weren't copied right, and a few more things I meant
                          to include earlier but left out -- think I'm getting punchy (lol).
                          Anyway, here's what needs attention, and this has got to do it.

                          Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please correct 929-450 undec
                          Reefer to read Reefer Yellow as the color, as per my list of January
                          10th. In this same section, please add #929-400 undec Reefer, color -
                          Reefer Orange.

                          Under the Walthers New Early Production -- remove these Hart
                          Gondolas -- #929-161 through 929-165. I guess you must have taken
                          them from Walthers (792) Later Production; they're not 929 numbers or
                          roadnames. Sorry, I didn't catch that yesterday.

                          Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- pleaase correct 929-299
                          Walthers Commemorative 40' box car to read WKWX as per the list.

                          Also under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please add #929-300 undec
                          50' Double Door Box Car - color; Box Car Red.

                          And last, under Walthers NEW Early Production -- I found that the 929-
                          356 SP/T&NO 50' DD box car is Box Car Red (same as the rest of this
                          group). Please add.

                          It was a struggle with this one, but I think we've got something
                          useful. Thanks for all your help. Ray



                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all would be
                          the same
                          > format and that is what we did with that one. No other reason.
                          >
                          > Updated file at the group site.
                          >
                          > Take care,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over thoroughly,
                          > to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did over the
                          > weekend. This should about do it now.
                          > (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola #929-
                          > 500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer Yellow.
                          >
                          > Thanks a bunch. Ray
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com,
                          > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > HI Ray,
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > I think I got most of the changes.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier posts,
                          > sorry. I have
                          > > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-
                          > 303,
                          > > 403-421 --
                          > > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > File on site now.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > _____
                          > >
                          > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com
                          > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          > > Of erieberk
                          > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com
                          > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver
                          > Streak
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You sure
                          > > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my listing
                          > are
                          > > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any questions.
                          > > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from scratch
                          > > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is not
                          > > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to #10
                          > are
                          > > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-do's
                          > are
                          > > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          > > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          > >
                          > > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between the
                          > > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the spread
                          > > sheet and to find stuff).
                          > >
                          > > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just have
                          the
                          > > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit styles.
                          > >
                          > > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they had
                          > none
                          > > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced in
                          > 1953
                          > > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from 1/9
                          > > (archive post #4844).
                          > >
                          > > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126, #127,
                          > > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          > numbers.
                          > > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108, #109,
                          > #113
                          > > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing (again,
                          > > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          > >
                          > > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into different
                          > sizes
                          > > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all
                          > jumbled
                          > > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          > >
                          > > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before #116
                          and
                          > > #121 before #120.
                          > >
                          > > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506) after
                          the
                          > > reefers (#400's).
                          > >
                          > > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my
                          > mistake
                          > > on that).
                          > >
                          > > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > > (#700's).
                          > >
                          > > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as Note
                          > (1),
                          > > etc.
                          > >
                          > > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer Kits
                          to
                          > > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          > >
                          > > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-
                          Wheel
                          > > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check
                          back
                          > > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          > >
                          > > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO Standard
                          > > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the
                          separate
                          > > size categories (with individual headings); their description
                          says
                          > it
                          > > all.
                          > >
                          > > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF you
                          > > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and S133 --
                          > > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list; post
                          > > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --
                          > > post number 4896.
                          > >
                          > > (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          > >
                          > > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it --
                          > > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          > >
                          > > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO kits.
                          > >
                          > > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40' Reefers
                          > > (#S400's).
                          > >
                          > > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          > >
                          > > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          (#S700's).
                          > >
                          > > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          > >
                          > > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          > Production
                          > > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          > >
                          > > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after the
                          > > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          > >
                          > > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 --
                          no
                          > > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          > >
                          > > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after the
                          > > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          > >
                          > > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293,
                          > they're
                          > > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > >
                          > > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These #929-
                          323
                          > > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > >
                          > > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit
                          number
                          > > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          > word "Ice"
                          > > from the heading. They were never described as such in the
                          catalogs
                          > > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          > >
                          > > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422
                          through
                          > > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers were
                          all
                          > > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          > >
                          > > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect there
                          > will
                          > > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the
                          bulk
                          > of
                          > > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4897 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          Sure, but how do you do that?


                          > Could one of you guys post at least a temporary copy of that image
                          in
                          > this group ???
                          >
                          > Best to ya'
                          > Mike Bauers
                          > Milwaukee Wi, USA
                          >
                          >
                          > On Jan 21, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Glenn476 wrote:
                          >
                          > > Yahoo wants me to start a new group.. Meanwhile--the photos you
                          > > have are
                          > > exactly what I have. gj
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: "curmudgeon"
                          > >
                          > >> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/yardbirdtrains/photos/browse?
                          > >> b=17&m=t&o=5
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> At least that's the header.
                          > >> However, past experience shows yay-who changes the coding
                          frequently
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4898 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          I added three shots in the photo album labeled "Cast aluminum Knapp
                          Coach"
                          Dave

                          > Could one of you guys post at least a temporary copy of that image
                          in
                          > this group ???
                          >
                          > Best to ya'
                          > Mike Bauers
                          > Milwaukee Wi, USA
                          >
                          >
                          > On Jan 21, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Glenn476 wrote:
                          >
                          > > Yahoo wants me to start a new group.. Meanwhile--the photos you
                          > > have are
                          > > exactly what I have. gj
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: "curmudgeon"
                          > >
                          > >> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/yardbirdtrains/photos/browse?
                          > >> b=17&m=t&o=5
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> At least that's the header.
                          > >> However, past experience shows yay-who changes the coding
                          frequently
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4899 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          Go to the photo page of the group, click on the add a picture link
                          near the top right and follow it's prompts. It's a click and label
                          procedure.

                          Best to ya'
                          Mike Bauers
                          Milwaukee Wi, USA


                          On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:54 PM, curmudgeon wrote:

                          > Sure, but how do you do that?
                          >
                          >
                          >> Could one of you guys post at least a temporary copy of that image
                          > in
                          >> this group ???
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4900 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          All that does for me is allows me to post to existing albums, not to
                          the list.
                          Maybe it's because I'm set up to view on web only.
                          I did post photos earlier.
                          Dave

                          > Go to the photo page of the group, click on the add a picture
                          link
                          > near the top right and follow it's prompts. It's a click and
                          label
                          > procedure.
                          >
                          > Best to ya'
                          > Mike Bauers
                          > Milwaukee Wi, USA
                          >
                          >
                          > On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:54 PM, curmudgeon wrote:
                          >
                          > > Sure, but how do you do that?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >> Could one of you guys post at least a temporary copy of that
                          image
                          > > in
                          > >> this group ???
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4901 From: Mike Bauers Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          It also allows you make a folder and post in that.......

                          Sounds like you want to 'attach' the image to your email instead of
                          posting to the group files. That will work, but it would be longer
                          lasting if you posted the image in the group photos...

                          But either way works...........

                          does this work with your email program???........

                          http://www.geekgirls.com/windows_email_photos.htm

                          Best to ya'
                          Mike Bauers
                          Milwaukee Wi, USA


                          On Jan 22, 2008, at 4:46 PM, curmudgeon wrote:

                          > All that does for me is allows me to post to existing albums, not to
                          > the list.
                          > Maybe it's because I'm set up to view on web only.
                          > I did post photos earlier.
                          > Dave
                          >
                          >> Go to the photo page of the group, click on the add a picture
                          > link
                          >> near the top right and follow it's prompts. It's a click and
                          > label
                          >> procedure.
                          >>
                          >> Best to ya'
                          >> Mike Bauers
                          >> Milwaukee Wi, USA
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:54 PM, curmudgeon wrote:
                          >>
                          >>> Sure, but how do you do that?
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>> Could one of you guys post at least a temporary copy of that
                          > image
                          >>> in
                          >>>> this group ???
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4902 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          If you're "web only" you still should be able to attach photos to emails,
                          but you won't see them. Only "daily email" members see the attachments, web
                          only or "daily digest" people don't. You can make a new album in the photos
                          section on the website. (which it sounds like you did, I haven't gone and
                          checked them out yet)

                          Don

                          don.dellmann@...
                          http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                          Owner-Moderator
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                          Co-owner
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY



                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "curmudgeon" <idioticyahoo@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:46 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] Re: mystery car


                          > All that does for me is allows me to post to existing albums, not to
                          > the list.
                          > Maybe it's because I'm set up to view on web only.
                          > I did post photos earlier.
                          > Dave
                          >
                          >> Go to the photo page of the group, click on the add a picture
                          > link
                          >> near the top right and follow it's prompts. It's a click and
                          > label
                          >> procedure.
                          >>
                          >> Best to ya'
                          >> Mike Bauers
                          >> Milwaukee Wi, USA
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:54 PM, curmudgeon wrote:
                          >>
                          >> > Sure, but how do you do that?
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >> Could one of you guys post at least a temporary copy of that
                          > image
                          >> > in
                          >> >> this group ???
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4903 From: curmudgeon Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: mystery car
                          Then I had mis-understood.
                          I thought you had asked for a photo posted to the group.
                          I already have them in the photo section of this forum.
                          Dave
                          > It also allows you make a folder and post in that.......
                          >
                          > Sounds like you want to 'attach' the image to your email instead
                          of
                          > posting to the group files. That will work, but it would be
                          longer
                          > lasting if you posted the image in the group photos...
                          >
                          > But either way works...........
                          >
                          > does this work with your email program???........
                          >
                          > http://www.geekgirls.com/windows_email_photos.htm
                          >
                          > Best to ya'
                          > Mike Bauers
                          > Milwaukee Wi, USA
                          >
                          >
                          > On Jan 22, 2008, at 4:46 PM, curmudgeon wrote:
                          >
                          > > All that does for me is allows me to post to existing albums,
                          not to
                          > > the list.
                          > > Maybe it's because I'm set up to view on web only.
                          > > I did post photos earlier.
                          > > Dave
                          > >
                          > >> Go to the photo page of the group, click on the add a picture
                          > > link
                          > >> near the top right and follow it's prompts. It's a click and
                          > > label
                          > >> procedure.
                          > >>
                          > >> Best to ya'
                          > >> Mike Bauers
                          > >> Milwaukee Wi, USA
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:54 PM, curmudgeon wrote:
                          > >>
                          > >>> Sure, but how do you do that?
                          > >>>
                          > >>>
                          > >>>> Could one of you guys post at least a temporary copy of that
                          > > image
                          > >>> in
                          > >>>> this group ???
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4904 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                          Hi Ray,

                          OK, updated file in section.

                          Take care,

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:58 AM
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                           

                          Chuck, Looks like we're almost there (who'd have thought it would be
                          so difficult <g>). Well, this should about do it; found a couple
                          more things that weren't copied right, and a few more things I meant
                          to include earlier but left out -- think I'm getting punchy (lol).
                          Anyway, here's what needs attention, and this has got to do it.

                          Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please correct 929-450 undec
                          Reefer to read Reefer Yellow as the color, as per my list of January
                          10th. In this same section, please add #929-400 undec Reefer, color -
                          Reefer Orange .

                          Under the Walthers New Early Production -- remove these Hart
                          Gondolas -- #929-161 through 929-165. I guess you must have taken
                          them from Walthers (792) Later Production; they're not 929 numbers or
                          roadnames. Sorry, I didn't catch that yesterday.

                          Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- pleaase correct 929-299
                          Walthers Commemorative 40' box car to read WKWX as per the list.

                          Also under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please add #929-300 undec
                          50' Double Door Box Car - color; Box Car Red.

                          And last, under Walthers NEW Early Production -- I found that the 929-
                          356 SP/T&NO 50' DD box car is Box Car Red (same as the rest of this
                          group). Please add.

                          It was a struggle with this one, but I think we've got something
                          useful. Thanks for all your help. Ray

                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
                          wrote:

                          >
                          > Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all would be
                          the same
                          > format and that is what we did with that one. No other reason.
                          >
                          > Updated file at the group site.
                          >
                          > Take care,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                          [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over thoroughly,
                          > to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did over the
                          > weekend. This should about do it now.
                          > (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola #929-
                          > 500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer Yellow.
                          >
                          > Thanks a bunch. Ray
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com,
                          > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > HI Ray,
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > I think I got most of the changes.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier posts,
                          > sorry. I have
                          > > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220,
                          301-
                          > 303,
                          > > 403-421 --
                          > > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > File on site now.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > http://community. <
                          href="http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104">http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > _____
                          > >
                          > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com
                          > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          > > Of erieberk
                          > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com
                          > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver
                          > Streak
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You sure
                          > > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my listing
                          > are
                          > > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any questions.
                          > > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from scratch
                          > > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is
                          not
                          > > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to #10
                          > are
                          > > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-do's
                          > are
                          > > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          > > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          > >
                          > > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between the
                          > > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the spread
                          > > sheet and to find stuff).
                          > >
                          > > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just
                          have
                          the
                          > > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit styles.
                          > >
                          > > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they had
                          > none
                          > > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced in
                          > 1953
                          > > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from 1/9
                          > > (archive post #4844).
                          > >
                          > > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126, #127,
                          > > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          > numbers.
                          > > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108, #109,
                          > #113
                          > > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing (again,
                          > > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          > >
                          > > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into different
                          > sizes
                          > > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all
                          > jumbled
                          > > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          > >
                          > > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before #116
                          and
                          > > #121 before #120.
                          > >
                          > > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506) after
                          the
                          > > reefers (#400's).
                          > >
                          > > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my
                          > mistake
                          > > on that).
                          > >
                          > > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > > (#700's).
                          > >
                          > > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as Note
                          > (1),
                          > > etc.
                          > >
                          > > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer Kits
                          to
                          > > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          > >
                          > > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-
                          Wheel
                          > > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check
                          back
                          > > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          > >
                          > > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO Standard
                          > > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the
                          separate
                          > > size categories (with individual headings); their description
                          says
                          > it
                          > > all.
                          > >
                          > > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF you
                          > > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and S133 --
                          > > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list; post
                          > > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --
                          > > post number 4896.
                          > >
                          > > (15) Change ERIE
                          Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          > >
                          > > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it --
                          > > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          > >
                          > > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO kits.
                          > >
                          > > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40' Reefers
                          > > (#S400's).
                          > >
                          > > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          > >
                          > > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          (#S700's).
                          > >
                          > > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          > >
                          > > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          > Production
                          > > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          > >
                          > > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after the
                          > > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          > >
                          > > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 --
                          no
                          > > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          > >
                          > > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after the
                          > > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          > >
                          > > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293,
                          > they're
                          > > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > >
                          > > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These #929-
                          323
                          > > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > >
                          > > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit
                          number
                          > > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          > word "Ice"
                          > > from the heading. They were never described as such in the
                          catalogs
                          > > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          > >
                          > > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422
                          through
                          > > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers were
                          all
                          > > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          > >
                          > > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect there
                          > will
                          > > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the
                          bulk
                          > of
                          > > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4905 From: erieberk Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          Hi Chuck, Lookin' real good! There's just one thing you forgot --
                          please correct the Walthers NEW Early Production -- 929-299 Walthers
                          Commemorative box car reporting marks to WKWX (not WKMX); it refers
                          to William K. Walthers. Many thanks again, Ray


                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi Ray,
                          >
                          > OK, updated file in section.
                          >
                          > Take care,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:58 AM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck, Looks like we're almost there (who'd have thought it would
                          be
                          > so difficult <g>). Well, this should about do it; found a couple
                          > more things that weren't copied right, and a few more things I
                          meant
                          > to include earlier but left out -- think I'm getting punchy (lol).
                          > Anyway, here's what needs attention, and this has got to do it.
                          >
                          > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please correct 929-450 undec
                          > Reefer to read Reefer Yellow as the color, as per my list of
                          January
                          > 10th. In this same section, please add #929-400 undec Reefer,
                          color -
                          > Reefer Orange.
                          >
                          > Under the Walthers New Early Production -- remove these Hart
                          > Gondolas -- #929-161 through 929-165. I guess you must have taken
                          > them from Walthers (792) Later Production; they're not 929 numbers
                          or
                          > roadnames. Sorry, I didn't catch that yesterday.
                          >
                          > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- pleaase correct 929-299
                          > Walthers Commemorative 40' box car to read WKWX as per the list.
                          >
                          > Also under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please add #929-300
                          undec
                          > 50' Double Door Box Car - color; Box Car Red.
                          >
                          > And last, under Walthers NEW Early Production -- I found that the
                          929-
                          > 356 SP/T&NO 50' DD box car is Box Car Red (same as the rest of this
                          > group). Please add.
                          >
                          > It was a struggle with this one, but I think we've got something
                          > useful. Thanks for all your help. Ray
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com,
                          > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all would
                          be
                          > the same
                          > > format and that is what we did with that one. No other reason.
                          > >
                          > > Updated file at the group site.
                          > >
                          > > Take care,
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > _____
                          > >
                          > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com
                          > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          > > Of erieberk
                          > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com
                          > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over
                          thoroughly,
                          > > to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did over
                          the
                          > > weekend. This should about do it now.
                          > > (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola
                          #929-
                          > > 500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer
                          Yellow.
                          > >
                          > > Thanks a bunch. Ray
                          > >
                          > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com,
                          > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > HI Ray,
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > I think I got most of the changes.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier posts,
                          > > sorry. I have
                          > > > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220,
                          301-
                          > > 303,
                          > > > 403-421 --
                          > > > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > File on site now.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > http://community. <http://community.
                          > <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > _____
                          > > >
                          > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com]
                          > > On Behalf
                          > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver
                          > > Streak
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You sure
                          > > > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my
                          listing
                          > > are
                          > > > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any questions.
                          > > > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from scratch
                          > > > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is
                          not
                          > > > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to
                          #10
                          > > are
                          > > > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > > > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-
                          do's
                          > > are
                          > > > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          > > > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          > > >
                          > > > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between
                          the
                          > > > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the
                          spread
                          > > > sheet and to find stuff).
                          > > >
                          > > > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just have
                          > the
                          > > > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit
                          styles.
                          > > >
                          > > > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they had
                          > > none
                          > > > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced in
                          > > 1953
                          > > > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from
                          1/9
                          > > > (archive post #4844).
                          > > >
                          > > > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126,
                          #127,
                          > > > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          > > numbers.
                          > > > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108, #109,
                          > > #113
                          > > > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing (again,
                          > > > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          > > >
                          > > > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into different
                          > > sizes
                          > > > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all
                          > > jumbled
                          > > > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > > > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          > > >
                          > > > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before #116
                          > and
                          > > > #121 before #120.
                          > > >
                          > > > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506) after
                          > the
                          > > > reefers (#400's).
                          > > >
                          > > > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my
                          > > mistake
                          > > > on that).
                          > > >
                          > > > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod
                          Reefers
                          > > > (#700's).
                          > > >
                          > > > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as
                          Note
                          > > (1),
                          > > > etc.
                          > > >
                          > > > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer Kits
                          > to
                          > > > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          > > >
                          > > > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-
                          > Wheel
                          > > > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check
                          > back
                          > > > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          > > >
                          > > > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO Standard
                          > > > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the
                          > separate
                          > > > size categories (with individual headings); their description
                          > says
                          > > it
                          > > > all.
                          > > >
                          > > > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF
                          you
                          > > > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and S133 -
                          -
                          > > > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list;
                          post
                          > > > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --

                          > > > post number 4896.
                          > > >
                          > > > (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          > > >
                          > > > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it --
                          > > > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          > > >
                          > > > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO
                          kits.
                          > > >
                          > > > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40' Reefers
                          > > > (#S400's).
                          > > >
                          > > > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          > > >
                          > > > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > (#S700's).
                          > > >
                          > > > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          > > >
                          > > > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          > > Production
                          > > > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          > > >
                          > > > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after the
                          > > > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          > > >
                          > > > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 --
                          > no
                          > > > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          > > >
                          > > > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after
                          the
                          > > > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          > > >
                          > > > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293,
                          > > they're
                          > > > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > > >
                          > > > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These #929-
                          > 323
                          > > > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > > >
                          > > > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit
                          > number
                          > > > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          > > word "Ice"
                          > > > from the heading. They were never described as such in the
                          > catalogs
                          > > > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          > > >
                          > > > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422
                          > through
                          > > > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers were
                          > all
                          > > > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          > > >
                          > > > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect there
                          > > will
                          > > > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the
                          > bulk
                          > > of
                          > > > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4906 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                          Ray,

                          I just can not tell the difference between the W and M.  I will fix it soon.  Got to clean these glasses.

                          Take care,

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:37 PM
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                           

                          Hi Chuck, Lookin' real good! There's just one thing you forgot --
                          please correct the Walthers NEW Early Production -- 929-299 Walthers
                          Commemorative box car reporting marks to WKWX (not WKMX); it refers
                          to William K. Walthers. Many thanks again, Ray

                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
                          wrote:

                          >
                          > Hi Ray,
                          >
                          > OK, updated file in section.
                          >
                          > Take care,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                          [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:58 AM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck, Looks like we're almost there (who'd have thought it would
                          be
                          > so difficult <g>). Well, this should about do it; found a couple
                          > more things that weren't copied right, and a few more things I
                          meant
                          > to include earlier but left out -- think I'm getting punchy (lol).
                          > Anyway, here's what needs attention, and this has got to do it.
                          >
                          > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please correct 929-450 undec
                          > Reefer to read Reefer Yellow as the color, as per my list of
                          January
                          > 10th. In this same section, please add #929-400 undec Reefer,
                          color -
                          > Reefer Orange .
                          >
                          > Under the Walthers New Early Production -- remove these Hart
                          > Gondolas -- #929-161 through 929-165. I guess you must have taken
                          > them from Walthers (792) Later Production; they're not 929 numbers
                          or
                          > roadnames. Sorry, I didn't catch that yesterday.
                          >
                          > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- pleaase correct 929-299
                          > Walthers Commemorative 40' box car to read WKWX as per the list.
                          >
                          > Also under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please add #929-300
                          undec
                          > 50' Double Door Box Car - color; Box Car Red.
                          >
                          > And last, under Walthers NEW Early Production -- I found that the
                          929-
                          > 356 SP/T&NO 50' DD box car is Box Car Red (same as the rest of this
                          > group). Please add.
                          >
                          > It was a struggle with this one, but I think we've got something
                          > useful. Thanks for all your help. Ray
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com,
                          > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all would
                          be
                          > the same
                          > > format and that is what we did with that one. No other reason.
                          > >
                          > > Updated file at the group site.
                          > >
                          > > Take care,
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > http://community. <
                          href="http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104">http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > _____
                          > >
                          > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com
                          > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          > > Of erieberk
                          > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com
                          > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over
                          thoroughly,
                          > > to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did over
                          the
                          > > weekend. This should about do it now.
                          > > (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola
                          #929-
                          > > 500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer
                          Yellow.
                          > >
                          > > Thanks a bunch. Ray
                          > >
                          > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com,
                          > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > HI Ray,
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > I think I got most of the changes.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier posts,
                          > > sorry. I have
                          > > > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207,
                          220,
                          301-
                          > > 303,
                          > > > 403-421 --
                          > > > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > File on site now.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > http://community. <
                          href="http://community.">http://community.
                          > <http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                          webshots.com/ user/lordon104>
                          > > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > _____
                          > > >
                          > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com]
                          > > On Behalf
                          > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re: Silver
                          > > Streak
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You sure
                          > > > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my
                          listing
                          > > are
                          > > > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any questions.
                          > > > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from scratch
                          > > > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work
                          is
                          not
                          > > > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to
                          #10
                          > > are
                          > > > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > > > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-
                          do's
                          > > are
                          > > > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          > > > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          > > >
                          > > > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between
                          the
                          > > > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the
                          spread
                          > > > sheet and to find stuff).
                          > > >
                          > > > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and
                          just have
                          > the
                          > > > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit
                          styles.
                          > > >
                          > > > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they had
                          > > none
                          > > > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced in
                          > > 1953
                          > > > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from
                          1/9
                          > > > (archive post #4844).
                          > > >
                          > > > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126,
                          #127,
                          > > > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          > > numbers.
                          > > > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108, #109,
                          > > #113
                          > > > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing (again,
                          > > > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          > > >
                          > > > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into different
                          > > sizes
                          > > > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all
                          > > jumbled
                          > > > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > > > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          > > >
                          > > > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before #116
                          > and
                          > > > #121 before #120.
                          > > >
                          > > > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506) after
                          > the
                          > > > reefers (#400's).
                          > > >
                          > > > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my
                          > > mistake
                          > > > on that).
                          > > >
                          > > > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod
                          Reefers
                          > > > (#700's).
                          > > >
                          > > > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as
                          Note
                          > > (1),
                          > > > etc.
                          > > >
                          > > > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer Kits
                          > to
                          > > > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          > > >
                          > > > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-
                          > Wheel
                          > > > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check
                          > back
                          > > > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          > > >
                          > > > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO Standard
                          > > > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the
                          > separate
                          > > > size categories (with individual headings); their description
                          > says
                          > > it
                          > > > all.
                          > > >
                          > > > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF
                          you
                          > > > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and S133 -
                          -
                          > > > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list;
                          post
                          > > > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-421 --

                          > > > post number 4896.
                          > > >
                          > > > (15) Change ERIE
                          Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          > > >
                          > > > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it --
                          > > > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          > > >
                          > > > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO
                          kits.
                          > > >
                          > > > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40' Reefers
                          > > > (#S400's).
                          > > >
                          > > > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          > > >
                          > > > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > (#S700's).
                          > > >
                          > > > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          > > >
                          > > > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          > > Production
                          > > > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          > > >
                          > > > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after the
                          > > > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          > > >
                          > > > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 --
                          > no
                          > > > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          > > >
                          > > > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after
                          the
                          > > > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          > > >
                          > > > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293,
                          > > they're
                          > > > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > > >
                          > > > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These #929-
                          > 323
                          > > > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > > >
                          > > > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit
                          > number
                          > > > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          > > word "Ice"
                          > > > from the heading. They were never described as such in the
                          > catalogs
                          > > > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          > > >
                          > > > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422
                          > through
                          > > > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers were
                          > all
                          > > > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          > > >
                          > > > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect there
                          > > will
                          > > > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the
                          > bulk
                          > > of
                          > > > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4907 From: Ian Garton Date: 1/22/2008
                          Subject: Re: Interiors for MDC Roundhouse Pullman Palace Cars?
                          Hmm... So it's a buffet combine. Very interesting.

                          Thank you very much for the info Don.

                          Best Regards,
                          Ian
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4908 From: erieberk Date: 1/25/2008
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          Hi Chuck, Just got the chance to check out your latest listing
                          version of Silver Streak. Great job, everything looks A - OK. As
                          they say, anything worth while does not come without work. No doubt
                          you probably want to take a break now, after all this. If you think
                          including Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff -- Silver Streak is worthwhile, I have
                          their catalog that Rich Koontz (owner) sent me in 1987. Every single
                          one of their kit numbers and corresponding road names are the exact
                          same ones that Walthers (792) used in their Later Production of
                          Silver Streak kits later on, with one exception of not having the
                          #360 undec Hopper. I might add that they don't have a #441 or #442
                          40' Ice Reefer, so we can probably presume that Walthers 792 did not
                          have them either, which would explain missing road names for those
                          Walthers 792 numbers you have.

                          Their (Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff) colors for each road name they produced
                          had to be the same, and if its any indication from their catalog
                          display sheets for Silver Streak, their reporting numbers for the
                          cars were probably the same as the Walthers 929 kits they took over.
                          Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff's display pages for their Silver Streak line are
                          exact reprints as taken from the Walthers 929 catalogs of the early
                          1980's -- with the actual complete listing of these kits all found on
                          one (back) page. Take care and thanks again. Ray


                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Ray,
                          >
                          > I just can not tell the difference between the W and M. I will fix
                          it soon.
                          > Got to clean these glasses.
                          >
                          > Take care,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:37 PM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi Chuck, Lookin' real good! There's just one thing you forgot --
                          > please correct the Walthers NEW Early Production -- 929-299
                          Walthers
                          > Commemorative box car reporting marks to WKWX (not WKMX); it refers
                          > to William K. Walthers. Many thanks again, Ray
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com,
                          > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Hi Ray,
                          > >
                          > > OK, updated file in section.
                          > >
                          > > Take care,
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > _____
                          > >
                          > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com
                          > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          > > Of erieberk
                          > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:58 AM
                          > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com
                          > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck, Looks like we're almost there (who'd have thought it would
                          > be
                          > > so difficult <g>). Well, this should about do it; found a couple
                          > > more things that weren't copied right, and a few more things I
                          > meant
                          > > to include earlier but left out -- think I'm getting punchy
                          (lol).
                          > > Anyway, here's what needs attention, and this has got to do it.
                          > >
                          > > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please correct 929-450
                          undec
                          > > Reefer to read Reefer Yellow as the color, as per my list of
                          > January
                          > > 10th. In this same section, please add #929-400 undec Reefer,
                          > color -
                          > > Reefer Orange.
                          > >
                          > > Under the Walthers New Early Production -- remove these Hart
                          > > Gondolas -- #929-161 through 929-165. I guess you must have taken
                          > > them from Walthers (792) Later Production; they're not 929
                          numbers
                          > or
                          > > roadnames. Sorry, I didn't catch that yesterday.
                          > >
                          > > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- pleaase correct 929-299
                          > > Walthers Commemorative 40' box car to read WKWX as per the list.
                          > >
                          > > Also under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please add #929-300
                          > undec
                          > > 50' Double Door Box Car - color; Box Car Red.
                          > >
                          > > And last, under Walthers NEW Early Production -- I found that the
                          > 929-
                          > > 356 SP/T&NO 50' DD box car is Box Car Red (same as the rest of
                          this
                          > > group). Please add.
                          > >
                          > > It was a struggle with this one, but I think we've got something
                          > > useful. Thanks for all your help. Ray
                          > >
                          > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com,
                          > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all would
                          > be
                          > > the same
                          > > > format and that is what we did with that one. No other reason.
                          > > >
                          > > > Updated file at the group site.
                          > > >
                          > > > Take care,
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > http://community. <http://community.
                          > <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > _____
                          > > >
                          > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com]
                          > > On Behalf
                          > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over
                          > thoroughly,
                          > > > to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did over
                          > the
                          > > > weekend. This should about do it now.
                          > > > (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola
                          > #929-
                          > > > 500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer
                          > Yellow.
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks a bunch. Ray
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com,
                          > > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > HI Ray,
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I think I got most of the changes.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier posts,
                          > > > sorry. I have
                          > > > > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220,
                          > 301-
                          > > > 303,
                          > > > > 403-421 --
                          > > > > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > File on site now.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > > http://community. <http://community.
                          > > <http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > _____
                          > > > >
                          > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com
                          > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com]
                          > > > On Behalf
                          > > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com
                          > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                          Silver
                          > > > Streak
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You
                          sure
                          > > > > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my
                          > listing
                          > > > are
                          > > > > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any
                          questions.
                          > > > > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from
                          scratch
                          > > > > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is
                          > not
                          > > > > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to
                          > #10
                          > > > are
                          > > > > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > > > > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-
                          > do's
                          > > > are
                          > > > > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          > > > > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between
                          > the
                          > > > > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the
                          > spread
                          > > > > sheet and to find stuff).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just
                          have
                          > > the
                          > > > > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit
                          > styles.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they
                          had
                          > > > none
                          > > > > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced
                          in
                          > > > 1953
                          > > > > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from
                          > 1/9
                          > > > > (archive post #4844).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126,
                          > #127,
                          > > > > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          > > > numbers.
                          > > > > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108,
                          #109,
                          > > > #113
                          > > > > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing
                          (again,
                          > > > > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into
                          different
                          > > > sizes
                          > > > > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all
                          > > > jumbled
                          > > > > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > > > > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before
                          #116
                          > > and
                          > > > > #121 before #120.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506)
                          after
                          > > the
                          > > > > reefers (#400's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my
                          > > > mistake
                          > > > > on that).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod
                          > Reefers
                          > > > > (#700's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as
                          > Note
                          > > > (1),
                          > > > > etc.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer
                          Kits
                          > > to
                          > > > > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-
                          > > Wheel
                          > > > > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check
                          > > back
                          > > > > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO
                          Standard
                          > > > > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the
                          > > separate
                          > > > > size categories (with individual headings); their description
                          > > says
                          > > > it
                          > > > > all.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF
                          > you
                          > > > > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and
                          S133 -
                          > -
                          > > > > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list;
                          > post
                          > > > > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-
                          421 --
                          >
                          > > > > post number 4896.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it -
                          -
                          > > > > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO
                          > kits.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40'
                          Reefers
                          > > > > (#S400's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > > (#S700's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          > > > Production
                          > > > > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after
                          the
                          > > > > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 -
                          -
                          > > no
                          > > > > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after
                          > the
                          > > > > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293,
                          > > > they're
                          > > > > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These
                          #929-
                          > > 323
                          > > > > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792
                          numbers.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit
                          > > number
                          > > > > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          > > > word "Ice"
                          > > > > from the heading. They were never described as such in the
                          > > catalogs
                          > > > > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422
                          > > through
                          > > > > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers
                          were
                          > > all
                          > > > > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect
                          there
                          > > > will
                          > > > > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the
                          > > bulk
                          > > > of
                          > > > > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4909 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/25/2008
                          Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          I think Chuck & Ray deserve a VERY big "THANK YOU" for all the work they put
                          into this.

                          Don

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                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 12:30 PM
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak


                          > Hi Chuck, Just got the chance to check out your latest listing
                          > version of Silver Streak. Great job, everything looks A - OK. As
                          > they say, anything worth while does not come without work. No doubt
                          > you probably want to take a break now, after all this. If you think
                          > including Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff -- Silver Streak is worthwhile, I have
                          > their catalog that Rich Koontz (owner) sent me in 1987. Every single
                          > one of their kit numbers and corresponding road names are the exact
                          > same ones that Walthers (792) used in their Later Production of
                          > Silver Streak kits later on, with one exception of not having the
                          > #360 undec Hopper. I might add that they don't have a #441 or #442
                          > 40' Ice Reefer, so we can probably presume that Walthers 792 did not
                          > have them either, which would explain missing road names for those
                          > Walthers 792 numbers you have.
                          >
                          > Their (Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff) colors for each road name they produced
                          > had to be the same, and if its any indication from their catalog
                          > display sheets for Silver Streak, their reporting numbers for the
                          > cars were probably the same as the Walthers 929 kits they took over.
                          > Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff's display pages for their Silver Streak line are
                          > exact reprints as taken from the Walthers 929 catalogs of the early
                          > 1980's -- with the actual complete listing of these kits all found on
                          > one (back) page. Take care and thanks again. Ray
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                          > wrote:
                          >>
                          >> Ray,
                          >>
                          >> I just can not tell the difference between the W and M. I will fix
                          > it soon.
                          >> Got to clean these glasses.
                          >>
                          >> Take care,
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          >> http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> _____
                          >>
                          >> From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          >> Of erieberk
                          >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:37 PM
                          >> To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          >> Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Hi Chuck, Lookin' real good! There's just one thing you forgot --
                          >> please correct the Walthers NEW Early Production -- 929-299
                          > Walthers
                          >> Commemorative box car reporting marks to WKWX (not WKMX); it refers
                          >> to William K. Walthers. Many thanks again, Ray
                          >>
                          >> --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com,
                          >> "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          >> wrote:
                          >> >
                          >> > Hi Ray,
                          >> >
                          >> > OK, updated file in section.
                          >> >
                          >> > Take care,
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          >> > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          >> webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > _____
                          >> >
                          >> > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com
                          >> [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com]
                          >> On Behalf
                          >> > Of erieberk
                          >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:58 AM
                          >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com
                          >> > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > Chuck, Looks like we're almost there (who'd have thought it would
                          >> be
                          >> > so difficult <g>). Well, this should about do it; found a couple
                          >> > more things that weren't copied right, and a few more things I
                          >> meant
                          >> > to include earlier but left out -- think I'm getting punchy
                          > (lol).
                          >> > Anyway, here's what needs attention, and this has got to do it.
                          >> >
                          >> > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please correct 929-450
                          > undec
                          >> > Reefer to read Reefer Yellow as the color, as per my list of
                          >> January
                          >> > 10th. In this same section, please add #929-400 undec Reefer,
                          >> color -
                          >> > Reefer Orange.
                          >> >
                          >> > Under the Walthers New Early Production -- remove these Hart
                          >> > Gondolas -- #929-161 through 929-165. I guess you must have taken
                          >> > them from Walthers (792) Later Production; they're not 929
                          > numbers
                          >> or
                          >> > roadnames. Sorry, I didn't catch that yesterday.
                          >> >
                          >> > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- pleaase correct 929-299
                          >> > Walthers Commemorative 40' box car to read WKWX as per the list.
                          >> >
                          >> > Also under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please add #929-300
                          >> undec
                          >> > 50' Double Door Box Car - color; Box Car Red.
                          >> >
                          >> > And last, under Walthers NEW Early Production -- I found that the
                          >> 929-
                          >> > 356 SP/T&NO 50' DD box car is Box Car Red (same as the rest of
                          > this
                          >> > group). Please add.
                          >> >
                          >> > It was a struggle with this one, but I think we've got something
                          >> > useful. Thanks for all your help. Ray
                          >> >
                          >> > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >> ps.com,
                          >> > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          >> > wrote:
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all would
                          >> be
                          >> > the same
                          >> > > format and that is what we did with that one. No other reason.
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Updated file at the group site.
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Take care,
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          >> > > http://community. <http://community.
                          >> <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          >> > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > > _____
                          >> > >
                          >> > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >> ps.com
                          >> > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >> ps.com]
                          >> > On Behalf
                          >> > > Of erieberk
                          >> > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          >> > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >> ps.com
                          >> > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over
                          >> thoroughly,
                          >> > > to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did over
                          >> the
                          >> > > weekend. This should about do it now.
                          >> > > (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola
                          >> #929-
                          >> > > 500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer
                          >> Yellow.
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Thanks a bunch. Ray
                          >> > >
                          >> > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >> > ps.com,
                          >> > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          >> > > wrote:
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > HI Ray,
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > I think I got most of the changes.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier posts,
                          >> > > sorry. I have
                          >> > > > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220,
                          >> 301-
                          >> > > 303,
                          >> > > > 403-421 --
                          >> > > > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > File on site now.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          >> > > > http://community. <http://community.
                          >> > <http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          >> webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          >> webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          >> > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > _____
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          >> > ps.com
                          >> > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          >> > ps.com]
                          >> > > On Behalf
                          >> > > > Of erieberk
                          >> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          >> > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >> > ps.com
                          >> > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                          > Silver
                          >> > > Streak
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You
                          > sure
                          >> > > > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my
                          >> listing
                          >> > > are
                          >> > > > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any
                          > questions.
                          >> > > > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from
                          > scratch
                          >> > > > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is
                          >> not
                          >> > > > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to
                          >> #10
                          >> > > are
                          >> > > > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          >> > > > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-
                          >> do's
                          >> > > are
                          >> > > > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          >> > > > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between
                          >> the
                          >> > > > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the
                          >> spread
                          >> > > > sheet and to find stuff).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just
                          > have
                          >> > the
                          >> > > > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit
                          >> styles.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they
                          > had
                          >> > > none
                          >> > > > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced
                          > in
                          >> > > 1953
                          >> > > > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from
                          >> 1/9
                          >> > > > (archive post #4844).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126,
                          >> #127,
                          >> > > > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          >> > > numbers.
                          >> > > > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108,
                          > #109,
                          >> > > #113
                          >> > > > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing
                          > (again,
                          >> > > > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into
                          > different
                          >> > > sizes
                          >> > > > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all
                          >> > > jumbled
                          >> > > > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          >> > > > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before
                          > #116
                          >> > and
                          >> > > > #121 before #120.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506)
                          > after
                          >> > the
                          >> > > > reefers (#400's).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my
                          >> > > mistake
                          >> > > > on that).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod
                          >> Reefers
                          >> > > > (#700's).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as
                          >> Note
                          >> > > (1),
                          >> > > > etc.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer
                          > Kits
                          >> > to
                          >> > > > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-
                          >> > Wheel
                          >> > > > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check
                          >> > back
                          >> > > > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO
                          > Standard
                          >> > > > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the
                          >> > separate
                          >> > > > size categories (with individual headings); their description
                          >> > says
                          >> > > it
                          >> > > > all.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF
                          >> you
                          >> > > > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and
                          > S133 -
                          >> -
                          >> > > > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list;
                          >> post
                          >> > > > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-
                          > 421 --
                          >>
                          >> > > > post number 4896.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it -
                          > -
                          >> > > > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO
                          >> kits.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40'
                          > Reefers
                          >> > > > (#S400's).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          >> > (#S700's).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          >> > > Production
                          >> > > > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after
                          > the
                          >> > > > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 -
                          > -
                          >> > no
                          >> > > > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after
                          >> the
                          >> > > > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293,
                          >> > > they're
                          >> > > > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These
                          > #929-
                          >> > 323
                          >> > > > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792
                          > numbers.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit
                          >> > number
                          >> > > > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          >> > > word "Ice"
                          >> > > > from the heading. They were never described as such in the
                          >> > catalogs
                          >> > > > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422
                          >> > through
                          >> > > > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers
                          > were
                          >> > all
                          >> > > > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect
                          > there
                          >> > > will
                          >> > > > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the
                          >> > bulk
                          >> > > of
                          >> > > > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          >> > > >
                          >> > >
                          >> >
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
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                          >
                          >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4910 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: Re: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                          Hi Ray, thanks.  The #360 covered hopper appears in the 1999 Walthers cat.  Yes, there is a gap in both the 1989 and 1999 Walthrs cat for 441 & 442.  Both the 1989 and 1999 say “Silver Streak division of Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff”   So I would think that the list in effect does have these numbers.  Maybe we should try and put a short history in the file?  With some dates?  Are we then duplicating something that HO seeker may have, though I have only seen the catalogs and instruction sheet there.

                           

                          Don, you are welcome.  Any thoughts about the above.  Or should Ray and I move on to another maker?

                           

                          Take care,

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
                          Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 1:31 PM
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                           

                          Hi Chuck, Just got the chance to check out your latest listing
                          version of Silver Streak. Great job, everything looks A - OK. As
                          they say, anything worth while does not come without work. No doubt
                          you probably want to take a break now, after all this. If you think
                          including Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff -- Silver Streak is worthwhile, I have
                          their catalog that Rich Koontz (owner) sent me in 1987. Every single
                          one of their kit numbers and corresponding road names are the exact
                          same ones that Walthers (792) used in their Later Production of
                          Silver Streak kits later on, with one exception of not having the
                          #360 undec Hopper. I might add that they don't have a #441 or #442
                          40' Ice Reefer, so we can probably presume that Walthers 792 did not
                          have them either, which would explain missing road names for those
                          Walthers 792 numbers you have.

                          Their (Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff) colors for each road name they produced
                          had to be the same, and if its any indication from their catalog
                          display sheets for Silver Streak, their reporting numbers for the
                          cars were probably the same as the Walthers 929 kits they took over.
                          Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff's display pages for their Silver Streak line are
                          exact reprints as taken from the Walthers 929 catalogs of the early
                          1980's -- with the actual complete listing of these kits all found on
                          one (back) page. Take care and thanks again. Ray

                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
                          wrote:

                          >
                          > Ray,
                          >
                          > I just can not tell the difference between the W and M. I will fix
                          it soon.
                          > Got to clean these glasses.
                          >
                          > Take care,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                          [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:37 PM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi Chuck, Lookin' real good! There's just one thing you forgot --
                          > please correct the Walthers NEW Early Production -- 929-299
                          Walthers
                          > Commemorative box car reporting marks to WKWX (not WKMX); it refers
                          > to William K. Walthers. Many thanks again, Ray
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com,
                          > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Hi Ray,
                          > >
                          > > OK, updated file in section.
                          > >
                          > > Take care,
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > http://community. <
                          href="http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104">http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > _____
                          > >
                          > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com
                          > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          > > Of erieberk
                          > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:58 AM
                          > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com
                          > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck, Looks like we're almost there (who'd have thought it would
                          > be
                          > > so difficult <g>). Well, this should about do it; found a
                          couple
                          > > more things that weren't copied right, and a few more things I
                          > meant
                          > > to include earlier but left out -- think I'm getting punchy
                          (lol).
                          > > Anyway, here's what needs attention, and this has got to do it.
                          > >
                          > > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please correct 929-450
                          undec
                          > > Reefer to read Reefer Yellow as the color, as per my list of
                          > January
                          > > 10th. In this same section, please add #929-400 undec Reefer,
                          > color -
                          > > Reefer Orange .
                          > >
                          > > Under the Walthers New Early Production -- remove these Hart
                          > > Gondolas -- #929-161 through 929-165. I guess you must have taken
                          > > them from Walthers (792) Later Production; they're not 929
                          numbers
                          > or
                          > > roadnames. Sorry, I didn't catch that yesterday.
                          > >
                          > > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- pleaase correct 929-299
                          > > Walthers Commemorative 40' box car to read WKWX as per the list.
                          > >
                          > > Also under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please add #929-300
                          > undec
                          > > 50' Double Door Box Car - color; Box Car Red.
                          > >
                          > > And last, under Walthers NEW Early Production -- I found that the
                          > 929-
                          > > 356 SP/T&NO 50' DD box car is Box Car Red (same as the rest of
                          this
                          > > group). Please add.
                          > >
                          > > It was a struggle with this one, but I think we've got something
                          > > useful. Thanks for all your help. Ray
                          > >
                          > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com,
                          > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all would
                          > be
                          > > the same
                          > > > format and that is what we did with that one. No other reason.
                          > > >
                          > > > Updated file at the group site.
                          > > >
                          > > > Take care,
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > http://community. <
                          href="http://community.">http://community.
                          > <http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                          webshots.com/ user/lordon104>
                          > > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > _____
                          > > >
                          > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com]
                          > > On Behalf
                          > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over
                          > thoroughly,
                          > > > to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did over
                          > the
                          > > > weekend. This should about do it now.
                          > > > (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola
                          > #929-
                          > > > 500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer
                          > Yellow.
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks a bunch. Ray
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > > ps.com,
                          > > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > HI Ray,
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I think I got most of the changes.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier
                          posts,
                          > > > sorry. I have
                          > > > > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201,
                          207, 220,
                          > 301-
                          > > > 303,
                          > > > > 403-421 --
                          > > > > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > File on site now.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > > http://community. <
                          href="http://community.">http://community.
                          > > <http://community. <
                          href="http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104">http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/ user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/ user/lordon104>
                          > > > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > _____
                          > > > >
                          > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups. com>
                          > > ps.com
                          > > > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups. com>
                          > > ps.com]
                          > > > On Behalf
                          > > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > > ps.com
                          > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                          Silver
                          > > > Streak
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You
                          sure
                          > > > > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my
                          > listing
                          > > > are
                          > > > > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any
                          questions.
                          > > > > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from
                          scratch
                          > > > > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the
                          work is
                          > not
                          > > > > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2
                          to
                          > #10
                          > > > are
                          > > > > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > > > > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO
                          re-
                          > do's
                          > > > are
                          > > > > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are
                          for
                          > > > > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space
                          between
                          > the
                          > > > > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the
                          > spread
                          > > > > sheet and to find stuff).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style"
                          and just
                          have
                          > > the
                          > > > > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit
                          > styles.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they
                          had
                          > > > none
                          > > > > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they
                          introduced
                          in
                          > > > 1953
                          > > > > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO
                          from
                          > 1/9
                          > > > > (archive post #4844).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126,
                          > #127,
                          > > > > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          > > > numbers.
                          > > > > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108,
                          #109,
                          > > > #113
                          > > > > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing
                          (again,
                          > > > > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into
                          different
                          > > > sizes
                          > > > > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being
                          all
                          > > > jumbled
                          > > > > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > > > > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before
                          #116
                          > > and
                          > > > > #121 before #120.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506)
                          after
                          > > the
                          > > > > reefers (#400's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those
                          (my
                          > > > mistake
                          > > > > on that).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod
                          > Reefers
                          > > > > (#700's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as
                          > Note
                          > > > (1),
                          > > > > etc.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer
                          Kits
                          > > to
                          > > > > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO
                          4-
                          > > Wheel
                          > > > > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them --
                          check
                          > > back
                          > > > > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO
                          Standard
                          > > > > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the
                          > > separate
                          > > > > size categories (with individual headings); their
                          description
                          > > says
                          > > > it
                          > > > > all.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the
                          ATSF
                          > you
                          > > > > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and
                          S133 -
                          > -
                          > > > > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list;
                          > post
                          > > > > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-
                          421 --
                          >
                          > > > > post number 4896.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (15) Change ERIE
                          Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have
                          it -
                          -
                          > > > > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO
                          > kits.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40'
                          Reefers
                          > > > > (#S400's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read
                          40'.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > > (#S700's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description
                          box.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          > > > Production
                          > > > > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after
                          the
                          > > > > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through
                          #929-233 -
                          -
                          > > no
                          > > > > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233)
                          after
                          > the
                          > > > > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss
                          Rod).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through
                          #929-293,
                          > > > they're
                          > > > > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These
                          #929-
                          > > 323
                          > > > > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792
                          numbers.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit
                          > > number
                          > > > > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          > > > word "Ice"
                          > > > > from the heading. They were never described as such in the
                          > > catalogs
                          > > > > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422
                          > > through
                          > > > > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers
                          were
                          > > all
                          > > > > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect
                          there
                          > > > will
                          > > > > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be
                          the
                          > > bulk
                          > > > of
                          > > > > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4911 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: spam warnings
                          Don--or anyone with the knowledge of these systems--why am I getting all these "spam" warnings--last message from Chuck had four lined up.  Is it on my end or yours?
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4912 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: Fw: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          see what I mean?gj
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:18 AM
                          Subject: RE: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                          Hi Ray, thanks.  The #360 covered hopper appears in the 1999 Walthers cat.  Yes, there is a gap in both the 1989 and 1999 Walthrs cat for 441 & 442.  Both the 1989 and 1999 say “Silver Streak division of Ye Olde Huff-N-Puff”   So I would think that the list in effect does have these numbers.  Maybe we should try and put a short history in the file?  With some dates?  Are we then duplicating something that HO seeker may have, though I have only seen the catalogs and instruction sheet there.

                           

                          Don, you are welcome.  Any thoughts about the above.  Or should Ray and I move on to another maker?

                           

                          Take care,

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of erieberk
                          Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 1:31 PM
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak

                           

                          Hi Chuck, Just got the chance to check out your latest listing
                          version of Silver Streak. Great job, everything looks A - OK. As
                          they say, anything worth while does not come without work. No doubt
                          you probably want to take a break now, after all this. If you think
                          including Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff -- Silver Streak is worthwhile, I have
                          their catalog that Rich Koontz (owner) sent me in 1987. Every single
                          one of their kit numbers and corresponding road names are the exact
                          same ones that Walthers (792) used in their Later Production of
                          Silver Streak kits later on, with one exception of not having the
                          #360 undec Hopper. I might add that they don't have a #441 or #442
                          40' Ice Reefer, so we can probably presume that Walthers 792 did not
                          have them either, which would explain missing road names for those
                          Walthers 792 numbers you have.

                          Their (Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff) colors for each road name they produced
                          had to be the same, and if its any indication from their catalog
                          display sheets for Silver Streak, their reporting numbers for the
                          cars were probably the same as the Walthers 929 kits they took over.
                          Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff's display pages for their Silver Streak line are
                          exact reprints as taken from the Walthers 929 catalogs of the early
                          1980's -- with the actual complete listing of these kits all found on
                          one (back) page. Take care and thanks again. Ray

                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@. ..>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Ray,
                          >
                          > I just can not tell the difference between the W and M. I will fix
                          it soon.
                          > Got to clean these glasses.
                          >
                          > Take care,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:37 PM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi Chuck, Lookin' real good! There's just one thing you forgot --
                          > please correct the Walthers NEW Early Production -- 929-299
                          Walthers
                          > Commemorative box car reporting marks to WKWX (not WKMX); it refers
                          > to William K. Walthers. Many thanks again, Ray
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com,
                          > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Hi Ray,
                          > >
                          > > OK, updated file in section.
                          > >
                          > > Take care,
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > http://community. <http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > _____
                          > >
                          > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com
                          > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          > > Of erieberk
                          > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:58 AM
                          > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          ps.com
                          > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck, Looks like we're almost there (who'd have thought it would
                          > be
                          > > so difficult <g>). Well, this should about do it; found a couple
                          > > more things that weren't copied right, and a few more things I
                          > meant
                          > > to include earlier but left out -- think I'm getting punchy
                          (lol).
                          > > Anyway, here's what needs attention, and this has got to do it.
                          > >
                          > > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please correct 929-450
                          undec
                          > > Reefer to read Reefer Yellow as the color, as per my list of
                          > January
                          > > 10th. In this same section, please add #929-400 undec Reefer,
                          > color -
                          > > Reefer Orange .
                          > >
                          > > Under the Walthers New Early Production -- remove these Hart
                          > > Gondolas -- #929-161 through 929-165. I guess you must have taken
                          > > them from Walthers (792) Later Production; they're not 929
                          numbers
                          > or
                          > > roadnames. Sorry, I didn't catch that yesterday.
                          > >
                          > > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- pleaase correct 929-299
                          > > Walthers Commemorative 40' box car to read WKWX as per the list.
                          > >
                          > > Also under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please add #929-300
                          > undec
                          > > 50' Double Door Box Car - color; Box Car Red.
                          > >
                          > > And last, under Walthers NEW Early Production -- I found that the
                          > 929-
                          > > 356 SP/T&NO 50' DD box car is Box Car Red (same as the rest of
                          this
                          > > group). Please add.
                          > >
                          > > It was a struggle with this one, but I think we've got something
                          > > useful. Thanks for all your help. Ray
                          > >
                          > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com,
                          > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all would
                          > be
                          > > the same
                          > > > format and that is what we did with that one. No other reason.
                          > > >
                          > > > Updated file at the group site.
                          > > >
                          > > > Take care,
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > http://community. <http://community.
                          > <http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                          webshots.com/ user/lordon104>
                          > > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > _____
                          > > >
                          > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com]
                          > > On Behalf
                          > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over
                          > thoroughly,
                          > > > to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did over
                          > the
                          > > > weekend. This should about do it now.
                          > > > (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola
                          > #929-
                          > > > 500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer
                          > Yellow.
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks a bunch. Ray
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > > ps.com,
                          > > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > HI Ray,
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I think I got most of the changes.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier posts,
                          > > > sorry. I have
                          > > > > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220,
                          > 301-
                          > > > 303,
                          > > > > 403-421 --
                          > > > > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > File on site now.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > > http://community. <http://community.
                          > > <http://community. <http://community. webshots. com/user/ lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/ user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/ user/lordon104>
                          > > > webshots.com/ user/lordon104
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > _____
                          > > > >
                          > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups. com>
                          > > ps.com
                          > > > [mailto:vintageHO@ yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups. com>
                          > > ps.com]
                          > > > On Behalf
                          > > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO% 40yahoogroups. com>
                          > > ps.com
                          > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                          Silver
                          > > > Streak
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You
                          sure
                          > > > > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my
                          > listing
                          > > > are
                          > > > > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any
                          questions.
                          > > > > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from
                          scratch
                          > > > > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work is
                          > not
                          > > > > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2 to
                          > #10
                          > > > are
                          > > > > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > > > > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-
                          > do's
                          > > > are
                          > > > > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are for
                          > > > > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space between
                          > the
                          > > > > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the
                          > spread
                          > > > > sheet and to find stuff).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just
                          have
                          > > the
                          > > > > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit
                          > styles.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they
                          had
                          > > > none
                          > > > > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they introduced
                          in
                          > > > 1953
                          > > > > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO from
                          > 1/9
                          > > > > (archive post #4844).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126,
                          > #127,
                          > > > > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          > > > numbers.
                          > > > > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108,
                          #109,
                          > > > #113
                          > > > > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing
                          (again,
                          > > > > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into
                          different
                          > > > sizes
                          > > > > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being all
                          > > > jumbled
                          > > > > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > > > > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before
                          #116
                          > > and
                          > > > > #121 before #120.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506)
                          after
                          > > the
                          > > > > reefers (#400's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those (my
                          > > > mistake
                          > > > > on that).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod
                          > Reefers
                          > > > > (#700's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as
                          > Note
                          > > > (1),
                          > > > > etc.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer
                          Kits
                          > > to
                          > > > > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO 4-
                          > > Wheel
                          > > > > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them -- check
                          > > back
                          > > > > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO
                          Standard
                          > > > > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the
                          > > separate
                          > > > > size categories (with individual headings); their description
                          > > says
                          > > > it
                          > > > > all.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the ATSF
                          > you
                          > > > > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and
                          S133 -
                          > -
                          > > > > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list;
                          > post
                          > > > > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-
                          421 --
                          >
                          > > > > post number 4896.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have it -
                          -
                          > > > > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO
                          > kits.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40'
                          Reefers
                          > > > > (#S400's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read 40'.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > > (#S700's).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          > > > Production
                          > > > > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after
                          the
                          > > > > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-233 -
                          -
                          > > no
                          > > > > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233) after
                          > the
                          > > > > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss Rod).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-293,
                          > > > they're
                          > > > > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These
                          #929-
                          > > 323
                          > > > > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792
                          numbers.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit
                          > > number
                          > > > > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          > > > word "Ice"
                          > > > > from the heading. They were never described as such in the
                          > > catalogs
                          > > > > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422
                          > > through
                          > > > > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers
                          were
                          > > all
                          > > > > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect
                          there
                          > > > will
                          > > > > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be the
                          > > bulk
                          > > > of
                          > > > > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4913 From: Sean Naylor Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: Re: spam warnings
                          I am getting them too...
                           
                          Sean

                          Glenn476 <glenn476@...> wrote:
                          Don--or anyone with the knowledge of these systems--why am I getting all these "spam" warnings--last message from Chuck had four lined up.  Is it on my end or yours?

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                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4914 From: jimbartelt@sbcglobal.net Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: Re: spam warnings
                          ME too.
                           
                          James Bartelt
                          jimbartelt@...
                           
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                          ----- Original Message ----
                          From: Sean Naylor <a69mustang4me@...>
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 12:11:49 PM
                          Subject: Re: [vintageHO] spam warnings

                          I am getting them too...
                           
                          Sean

                          Glenn476 <glenn476@4fast. net> wrote:
                          Don--or anyone with the knowledge of these systems--why am I getting all these "spam" warnings--last message from Chuck had four lined up.  Is it on my end or yours?

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                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4915 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: warnings

                          It is my end. My ISP adds the word [SPAM] in the subject line each time I receive the email and if I reply and then some one replies to mine that is three of them.  If I do not clean up the subject box it just keeps going.  It causes me no problem, so of course I forget it may cause others a problem.

                           

                          Take care,

                           

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Glenn476
                          Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:09 PM
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] spam warnings

                           

                          Don--or anyone with the knowledge of these systems--why am I getting all these "spam" warnings--last message from Chuck had four lined up.  Is it on my end or yours?
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4916 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: Warnings

                          Or it could be my McAfee anti virus software that adds it to my incoming emails and then to my out going.  I will try and pay better attention to this.

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4917 From: Fred Hultberg Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: Re: Warnings
                          A couple of points, gentlemen:
                           
                          First, if your e-mail rig is set up normally, anything that that is sent to more than one addressee may show as "Spam," which wold be in the tital(maybe), but if you tell your server(Yahoo in my case) that it is not spam, it will stop adding that to the subject line. Another way to accomplish this is to add the group address to your addres list on your e-mail. The problem is in receiving mail, not in sending it.
                           
                          If you do not remove the word "spam" from the subject line when sending, it stays there. The error can be repeated indefinitely.
                           
                          Second, when the topic veers away fomr the original subject, please please please change the subject line. How many times have we all opened mail to see that the subject was no longer "**** Athearn," but a discussion about various methods of displaying lists, Athearn or not?
                           
                          Keep the good work coming, but watch your outgoing mail subjects.
                          I'll finish up with... so you don't think otherwise... this is one of my favorite(I mean it!) yahoo groups.
                           
                          yours truly,
                           
                          Fred Hultberg(resident etching wizard, Fotocut)

                          Chuck Higdon <vze5crrw1@...> wrote:
                          Or it could be my McAfee anti virus software that adds it to my incoming emails and then to my out going.  I will try and pay better attention to this.
                           
                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                           

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                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4918 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: Re: warnings
                          thanks--it sounds like there is something that reads these mass-addressed things as spam.  Wonder if it can be over-ridden?
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:13 AM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] warnings

                          It is my end. My ISP adds the word [SPAM] in the subject line each time I receive the email and if I reply and then some one replies to mine that is three of them.  If I do not clean up the subject box it just keeps going.  It causes me no problem, so of course I forget it may cause others a problem.

                           

                          Take care,

                           

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Glenn476
                          Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:09 PM
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] spam warnings

                           

                          Don--or anyone with the knowledge of these systems--why am I getting all these "spam" warnings--last message from Chuck had four lined up.  Is it on my end or yours?
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4919 From: erieberk Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: Re: Silver Streak
                          Don, Many thanks for the "thanks," and you're quite welcome. Any
                          work that turns out worthwhile in the end is a pleasure to have done -
                          - after its done (lol). Ray W.


                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > I think Chuck & Ray deserve a VERY big "THANK YOU" for all the work
                          they put
                          > into this.
                          >
                          > Don
                          >
                          > don.dellmann@...
                          > http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                          > Owner-Moderator
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                          > Co-owner
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                          > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 12:30 PM
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          > > Hi Chuck, Just got the chance to check out your latest listing
                          > > version of Silver Streak. Great job, everything looks A - OK. As
                          > > they say, anything worth while does not come without work. No
                          doubt
                          > > you probably want to take a break now, after all this. If you
                          think
                          > > including Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff -- Silver Streak is worthwhile, I
                          have
                          > > their catalog that Rich Koontz (owner) sent me in 1987. Every
                          single
                          > > one of their kit numbers and corresponding road names are the
                          exact
                          > > same ones that Walthers (792) used in their Later Production of
                          > > Silver Streak kits later on, with one exception of not having the
                          > > #360 undec Hopper. I might add that they don't have a #441 or
                          #442
                          > > 40' Ice Reefer, so we can probably presume that Walthers 792 did
                          not
                          > > have them either, which would explain missing road names for those
                          > > Walthers 792 numbers you have.
                          > >
                          > > Their (Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff) colors for each road name they
                          produced
                          > > had to be the same, and if its any indication from their catalog
                          > > display sheets for Silver Streak, their reporting numbers for the
                          > > cars were probably the same as the Walthers 929 kits they took
                          over.
                          > > Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff's display pages for their Silver Streak line
                          are
                          > > exact reprints as taken from the Walthers 929 catalogs of the
                          early
                          > > 1980's -- with the actual complete listing of these kits all
                          found on
                          > > one (back) page. Take care and thanks again. Ray
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > >>
                          > >> Ray,
                          > >>
                          > >> I just can not tell the difference between the W and M. I will
                          fix
                          > > it soon.
                          > >> Got to clean these glasses.
                          > >>
                          > >> Take care,
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > >> http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> _____
                          > >>
                          > >> From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                          > > On Behalf
                          > >> Of erieberk
                          > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:37 PM
                          > >> To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          > >> Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> Hi Chuck, Lookin' real good! There's just one thing you forgot --

                          > >> please correct the Walthers NEW Early Production -- 929-299
                          > > Walthers
                          > >> Commemorative box car reporting marks to WKWX (not WKMX); it
                          refers
                          > >> to William K. Walthers. Many thanks again, Ray
                          > >>
                          > >> --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com,
                          > >> "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > >> wrote:
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Hi Ray,
                          > >> >
                          > >> > OK, updated file in section.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Take care,
                          > >> >
                          > >> >
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > >> > http://community.
                          <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > >> webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > >> >
                          > >> >
                          > >> >
                          > >> > _____
                          > >> >
                          > >> > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com
                          > >> [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com]
                          > >> On Behalf
                          > >> > Of erieberk
                          > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:58 AM
                          > >> > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com
                          > >> > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > >> >
                          > >> >
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Chuck, Looks like we're almost there (who'd have thought it
                          would
                          > >> be
                          > >> > so difficult <g>). Well, this should about do it; found a
                          couple
                          > >> > more things that weren't copied right, and a few more things I
                          > >> meant
                          > >> > to include earlier but left out -- think I'm getting punchy
                          > > (lol).
                          > >> > Anyway, here's what needs attention, and this has got to do it.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please correct 929-450
                          > > undec
                          > >> > Reefer to read Reefer Yellow as the color, as per my list of
                          > >> January
                          > >> > 10th. In this same section, please add #929-400 undec Reefer,
                          > >> color -
                          > >> > Reefer Orange.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Under the Walthers New Early Production -- remove these Hart
                          > >> > Gondolas -- #929-161 through 929-165. I guess you must have
                          taken
                          > >> > them from Walthers (792) Later Production; they're not 929
                          > > numbers
                          > >> or
                          > >> > roadnames. Sorry, I didn't catch that yesterday.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- pleaase correct 929-299
                          > >> > Walthers Commemorative 40' box car to read WKWX as per the
                          list.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Also under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please add #929-300
                          > >> undec
                          > >> > 50' Double Door Box Car - color; Box Car Red.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > And last, under Walthers NEW Early Production -- I found that
                          the
                          > >> 929-
                          > >> > 356 SP/T&NO 50' DD box car is Box Car Red (same as the rest of
                          > > this
                          > >> > group). Please add.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > It was a struggle with this one, but I think we've got
                          something
                          > >> > useful. Thanks for all your help. Ray
                          > >> >
                          > >> > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > >> ps.com,
                          > >> > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > >> > wrote:
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all
                          would
                          > >> be
                          > >> > the same
                          > >> > > format and that is what we did with that one. No other
                          reason.
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Updated file at the group site.
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Take care,
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > >> > > http://community. <http://community.
                          > >> <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > >> > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > _____
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups.com>
                          > >> ps.com
                          > >> > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups.com>
                          > >> ps.com]
                          > >> > On Behalf
                          > >> > > Of erieberk
                          > >> > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          > >> > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > >> ps.com
                          > >> > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over
                          > >> thoroughly,
                          > >> > > to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did
                          over
                          > >> the
                          > >> > > weekend. This should about do it now.
                          > >> > > (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola
                          > >> #929-
                          > >> > > 500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer
                          > >> Yellow.
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Thanks a bunch. Ray
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups.com>
                          > >> > ps.com,
                          > >> > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > >> > > wrote:
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > HI Ray,
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > I think I got most of the changes.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier
                          posts,
                          > >> > > sorry. I have
                          > >> > > > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207,
                          220,
                          > >> 301-
                          > >> > > 303,
                          > >> > > > 403-421 --
                          > >> > > > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > File on site now.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > >> > > > http://community. <http://community.
                          > >> > <http://community.
                          <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > >> webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > >> webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > >> > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > _____
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > >> > ps.com
                          > >> > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > >> > ps.com]
                          > >> > > On Behalf
                          > >> > > > Of erieberk
                          > >> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > >> > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups.com>
                          > >> > ps.com
                          > >> > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                          > > Silver
                          > >> > > Streak
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You
                          > > sure
                          > >> > > > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my
                          > >> listing
                          > >> > > are
                          > >> > > > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any
                          > > questions.
                          > >> > > > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from
                          > > scratch
                          > >> > > > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work
                          is
                          > >> not
                          > >> > > > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2
                          to
                          > >> #10
                          > >> > > are
                          > >> > > > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > >> > > > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO
                          re-
                          > >> do's
                          > >> > > are
                          > >> > > > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are
                          for
                          > >> > > > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space
                          between
                          > >> the
                          > >> > > > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the
                          > >> spread
                          > >> > > > sheet and to find stuff).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just
                          > > have
                          > >> > the
                          > >> > > > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit
                          > >> styles.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they
                          > > had
                          > >> > > none
                          > >> > > > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they
                          introduced
                          > > in
                          > >> > > 1953
                          > >> > > > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO
                          from
                          > >> 1/9
                          > >> > > > (archive post #4844).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126,
                          > >> #127,
                          > >> > > > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          > >> > > numbers.
                          > >> > > > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108,
                          > > #109,
                          > >> > > #113
                          > >> > > > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing
                          > > (again,
                          > >> > > > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into
                          > > different
                          > >> > > sizes
                          > >> > > > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being
                          all
                          > >> > > jumbled
                          > >> > > > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > >> > > > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before
                          > > #116
                          > >> > and
                          > >> > > > #121 before #120.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506)
                          > > after
                          > >> > the
                          > >> > > > reefers (#400's).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those
                          (my
                          > >> > > mistake
                          > >> > > > on that).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod
                          > >> Reefers
                          > >> > > > (#700's).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as
                          > >> Note
                          > >> > > (1),
                          > >> > > > etc.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer
                          > > Kits
                          > >> > to
                          > >> > > > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific
                          HO 4-
                          > >> > Wheel
                          > >> > > > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them --
                          check
                          > >> > back
                          > >> > > > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO
                          > > Standard
                          > >> > > > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the
                          > >> > separate
                          > >> > > > size categories (with individual headings); their
                          description
                          > >> > says
                          > >> > > it
                          > >> > > > all.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the
                          ATSF
                          > >> you
                          > >> > > > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and
                          > > S133 -
                          > >> -
                          > >> > > > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list;
                          > >> post
                          > >> > > > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-
                          > > 421 --
                          > >>
                          > >> > > > post number 4896.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have
                          it -
                          > > -
                          > >> > > > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO
                          > >> kits.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40'
                          > > Reefers
                          > >> > > > (#S400's).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read
                          40'.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > >> > (#S700's).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          > >> > > Production
                          > >> > > > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after
                          > > the
                          > >> > > > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-
                          233 -
                          > > -
                          > >> > no
                          > >> > > > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233)
                          after
                          > >> the
                          > >> > > > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss
                          Rod).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-
                          293,
                          > >> > > they're
                          > >> > > > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These
                          > > #929-
                          > >> > 323
                          > >> > > > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792
                          > > numbers.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit
                          > >> > number
                          > >> > > > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          > >> > > word "Ice"
                          > >> > > > from the heading. They were never described as such in the
                          > >> > catalogs
                          > >> > > > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422
                          > >> > through
                          > >> > > > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers
                          > > were
                          > >> > all
                          > >> > > > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect
                          > > there
                          > >> > > will
                          > >> > > > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be
                          the
                          > >> > bulk
                          > >> > > of
                          > >> > > > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> >
                          > >>
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4920 From: erieberk Date: 1/26/2008
                          Subject: Re: Silver Streak
                          Hi Chuck, I could try to whip something up briefly about the history
                          of S.S., with some dates, which might be of interest to some,
                          although once you start that where does it end (do we also then
                          include all the different boxes, etc. that were used?)? Your point
                          does have merit though, if you think it would fit in with this Forum,
                          and we could give it some thought but at least for now the most
                          useful info is documented. As for the Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff Silver
                          Streak, I would not make an additional chart for it, be instead
                          merely put a notation at the end of Walthers that they succeeded
                          Walthers Earlier production and preceeded Walthers Later production
                          of this line, having all the same kit numbers/roadnames and colors,
                          etc. as was later used by Walthers Later production.

                          If you're looking to do another spread sheet on rolling stock from
                          another manufacturer, I can give you either Varney metal or
                          Binkley/Laconia-Lockhart in depth, using kit numbers, road names and
                          reporting numbers. This last one was another that I also wrote an
                          article on for "The Reporting Mark" publication of the HO SC&H (Scale
                          Collectors & History) - SIG (of the NMRA) back in the late '80's, so
                          I have that one all together ready to to. Neither of these two lists
                          have car colors, but I have all the most important data (except for
                          the reporting numbers on Binkley HOn3 -- not having trackage for it,
                          I didn't collect the narrow gauge portion of the line.).

                          Other manufacturers like IMP (International Model Products) metal or
                          Main Line Models wood, which I have both almost complete, would have
                          to wait until I could go through them all for the data. We could do
                          shorter run makers though, like Megow or Ideal (or American Beauty -
                          which I also wrote a piece on) or A-C/L-W, etc., at some point in
                          time. Ray


                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi Ray, thanks. The #360 covered hopper appears in the 1999
                          Walthers cat.
                          > Yes, there is a gap in both the 1989 and 1999 Walthrs cat for 441 &
                          442.
                          > Both the 1989 and 1999 say "Silver Streak division of Ye Olde Huff-
                          N-Puff"
                          > So I would think that the list in effect does have these numbers.
                          Maybe we
                          > should try and put a short history in the file? With some dates?
                          Are we
                          > then duplicating something that HO seeker may have, though I have
                          only seen
                          > the catalogs and instruction sheet there.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Don, you are welcome. Any thoughts about the above. Or should Ray
                          and I
                          > move on to another maker?
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Take care,
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > _____
                          >
                          > From: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogroups.com]
                          On Behalf
                          > Of erieberk
                          > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 1:31 PM
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi Chuck, Just got the chance to check out your latest listing
                          > version of Silver Streak. Great job, everything looks A - OK. As
                          > they say, anything worth while does not come without work. No doubt
                          > you probably want to take a break now, after all this. If you think
                          > including Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff -- Silver Streak is worthwhile, I
                          have
                          > their catalog that Rich Koontz (owner) sent me in 1987. Every
                          single
                          > one of their kit numbers and corresponding road names are the exact
                          > same ones that Walthers (792) used in their Later Production of
                          > Silver Streak kits later on, with one exception of not having the
                          > #360 undec Hopper. I might add that they don't have a #441 or #442
                          > 40' Ice Reefer, so we can probably presume that Walthers 792 did
                          not
                          > have them either, which would explain missing road names for those
                          > Walthers 792 numbers you have.
                          >
                          > Their (Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff) colors for each road name they
                          produced
                          > had to be the same, and if its any indication from their catalog
                          > display sheets for Silver Streak, their reporting numbers for the
                          > cars were probably the same as the Walthers 929 kits they took
                          over.
                          > Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff's display pages for their Silver Streak line
                          are
                          > exact reprints as taken from the Walthers 929 catalogs of the early
                          > 1980's -- with the actual complete listing of these kits all found
                          on
                          > one (back) page. Take care and thanks again. Ray
                          >
                          > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com,
                          > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Ray,
                          > >
                          > > I just can not tell the difference between the W and M. I will
                          fix
                          > it soon.
                          > > Got to clean these glasses.
                          > >
                          > > Take care,
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > _____
                          > >
                          > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com
                          > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com]
                          > On Behalf
                          > > Of erieberk
                          > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:37 PM
                          > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          ps.com
                          > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Hi Chuck, Lookin' real good! There's just one thing you forgot --
                          > > please correct the Walthers NEW Early Production -- 929-299
                          > Walthers
                          > > Commemorative box car reporting marks to WKWX (not WKMX); it
                          refers
                          > > to William K. Walthers. Many thanks again, Ray
                          > >
                          > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com,
                          > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Hi Ray,
                          > > >
                          > > > OK, updated file in section.
                          > > >
                          > > > Take care,
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > http://community. <http://community.
                          > <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > _____
                          > > >
                          > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com]
                          > > On Behalf
                          > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:58 AM
                          > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > ps.com
                          > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Chuck, Looks like we're almost there (who'd have thought it
                          would
                          > > be
                          > > > so difficult <g>). Well, this should about do it; found a
                          couple
                          > > > more things that weren't copied right, and a few more things I
                          > > meant
                          > > > to include earlier but left out -- think I'm getting punchy
                          > (lol).
                          > > > Anyway, here's what needs attention, and this has got to do it.
                          > > >
                          > > > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please correct 929-450
                          > undec
                          > > > Reefer to read Reefer Yellow as the color, as per my list of
                          > > January
                          > > > 10th. In this same section, please add #929-400 undec Reefer,
                          > > color -
                          > > > Reefer Orange.
                          > > >
                          > > > Under the Walthers New Early Production -- remove these Hart
                          > > > Gondolas -- #929-161 through 929-165. I guess you must have
                          taken
                          > > > them from Walthers (792) Later Production; they're not 929
                          > numbers
                          > > or
                          > > > roadnames. Sorry, I didn't catch that yesterday.
                          > > >
                          > > > Under Walthers NEW Early Production -- pleaase correct 929-299
                          > > > Walthers Commemorative 40' box car to read WKWX as per the list.
                          > > >
                          > > > Also under Walthers NEW Early Production -- please add #929-300
                          > > undec
                          > > > 50' Double Door Box Car - color; Box Car Red.
                          > > >
                          > > > And last, under Walthers NEW Early Production -- I found that
                          the
                          > > 929-
                          > > > 356 SP/T&NO 50' DD box car is Box Car Red (same as the rest of
                          > this
                          > > > group). Please add.
                          > > >
                          > > > It was a struggle with this one, but I think we've got
                          something
                          > > > useful. Thanks for all your help. Ray
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com,
                          > > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Hi Ray, I copied the titles from the MDC file so that all
                          would
                          > > be
                          > > > the same
                          > > > > format and that is what we did with that one. No other reason.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Updated file at the group site.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Take care,
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > > http://community. <http://community.
                          > > <http://community. <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > _____
                          > > > >
                          > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com
                          > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com]
                          > > > On Behalf
                          > > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:23 PM
                          > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > ps.com
                          > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [vintageHO] Re: Silver Streak
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Hi Chuck, This listing needed some time to be gone over
                          > > thoroughly,
                          > > > > to be able to clear up the remaining issues -- which I did
                          over
                          > > the
                          > > > > weekend. This should about do it now.
                          > > > > (7) Under Walthers NEW Early Production, include Hart Gondola
                          > > #929-
                          > > > > 500 undec Box Car Red, and 40' Reefer #929-400 undec Reefer
                          > > Yellow.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Thanks a bunch. Ray
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > ps.com,
                          > > > > "Chuck Higdon" <vze5crrw1@>
                          > > > > wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > HI Ray,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I think I got most of the changes.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 3), did you want me to put it there?
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 4), I do not find 105, 106, 109, & 114 on the earlier
                          posts,
                          > > > > sorry. I have
                          > > > > > checked them and also what I printed out.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 14) the last section " Also, see my list for #201, 207,
                          220,
                          > > 301-
                          > > > > 303,
                          > > > > > 403-421 --
                          > > > > > > post number 4896." Need some help with this line.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 24), Which numbers did you want removed?
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > 29), I missed 929-421, what is it?
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > File on site now.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at
                          > > > > > http://community. <http://community.
                          > > > <http://community. <http://community.
                          > <http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > > webshots.com/user/lordon104>
                          > > > > webshots.com/user/lordon104
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > _____
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > From: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > ps.com
                          > > > > [mailto:vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          > 40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > ps.com]
                          > > > > On Behalf
                          > > > > > Of erieberk
                          > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:45 PM
                          > > > > > To: vintageHO@yahoogrou <mailto:vintageHO%
                          40yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > ps.com
                          > > > > > Subject: [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] [SPAM] Re: [vintageHO] Re:
                          > Silver
                          > > > > Streak
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Chuck, Alright, I checked out your latest spreadsheet. You
                          > sure
                          > > > > > know how to make a lot of work for me (LOL). Could be my
                          > > listing
                          > > > > are
                          > > > > > not too easy to follow; let me know if you have any
                          > questions.
                          > > > > > Almost looks like we might be better off starting from
                          > scratch
                          > > > > > <grin>. I came up with a lot of corrections, but the work
                          is
                          > > not
                          > > > > > insurmountable -- we'll get there yet! From suggestion #2
                          to
                          > > #10
                          > > > > are
                          > > > > > for Pacific HO only. Correction #1 is for everything. The
                          > > > > > corrections for Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO re-
                          > > do's
                          > > > > are
                          > > > > > listed as #11 to #21. The corrections from #22 to #29 are
                          for
                          > > > > > Walthers 929 New Early Production.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (1) Add space between the groups, and a line of space
                          between
                          > > the
                          > > > > > Headings and their Group Kits (makes it easier to read the
                          > > spread
                          > > > > > sheet and to find stuff).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (2) Please eliminate all the columns for "Style" and just
                          > have
                          > > > the
                          > > > > > Heading for the Kit Style at the top of each group of kit
                          > > styles.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (3) Please remove the Bobber Cabooses from Pacific HO; they
                          > had
                          > > > > none
                          > > > > > (except for one undec, caboose red 4-wheeler they
                          introduced
                          > in
                          > > > > 1953
                          > > > > > which was very short lived) -- see my list of Pacific HO
                          from
                          > > 1/9
                          > > > > > (archive post #4844).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (4) Remove Pacific HO numbers #122, #123, #124, #125, #126,
                          > > #127,
                          > > > > > #128, #130, #131, #132 and #133 -- these are not Pacific HO
                          > > > > numbers.
                          > > > > > What happened to these kits??? -- #105, #106, #107, #108,
                          > #109,
                          > > > > #113
                          > > > > > and #114; these are missing from the Pacific HO listing
                          > (again,
                          > > > > > please refer back to my Pacific HO list for these kits).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (5) Please do not separate the Standard Cabooses into
                          > different
                          > > > > sizes
                          > > > > > (24', 28', etc.); that resulted in the kit numbers being
                          all
                          > > > > jumbled
                          > > > > > up and very hard to follow. The sizes appear with the kit
                          > > > > > descriptions -- that's enough.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (6) Keep the kit numbers in order -- you have #117 before
                          > #116
                          > > > and
                          > > > > > #121 before #120.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (7) Move the Pacific HO Hart Gondolas (#500 through #506)
                          > after
                          > > > the
                          > > > > > reefers (#400's).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (8) Change the DD Auto Cars #301 to #303 to 40' on those
                          (my
                          > > > > mistake
                          > > > > > on that).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (9) Move the MOW (#801 to #808) cars after the Truss-Rod
                          > > Reefers
                          > > > > > (#700's).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > !10) You can change the numbering for the notes to start as
                          > > Note
                          > > > > (1),
                          > > > > > etc.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (11) Change the Note for the Walthers Silver Streak Reefer
                          > Kits
                          > > > to
                          > > > > > indicate they start after #421 (not #419).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (12) Eliminate the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO
                          4-
                          > > > Wheel
                          > > > > > BobberCaboose re-do kits. Pacific HO never made them --
                          check
                          > > > back
                          > > > > > to my Pacific HO listing if needed).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (13) Put the Walthers 929 Early Production Pacific HO
                          > Standard
                          > > > > > Cabooses in numerical kit number order. Eliminate all the
                          > > > separate
                          > > > > > size categories (with individual headings); their
                          description
                          > > > says
                          > > > > it
                          > > > > > all.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (14) Remove the following: S123's (both the MILW and the
                          ATSF
                          > > you
                          > > > > > have), S124, S125, S126, S127, S128, S130, S131, S132 and
                          > S133 -
                          > > -
                          > > > > > these were never produced by Pacific HO -- recheck my list;
                          > > post
                          > > > > > #4893. Also, see my list for #201, 207, 220, 301-303, 403-
                          > 421 --
                          > >
                          > > > > > post number 4896.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (15) Change ERIE Caboose #S122 to #S120.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (16) Combine #S107 with #S108 under one heading as I have
                          it -
                          > -
                          > > > > > Drover and Combination Caboose.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (17) Remove #S130 through #S133; they were never Pacific HO
                          > > kits.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (18) Move Hart Gondolas (#S500 to #S506) after the 40'
                          > Reefers
                          > > > > > (#S400's).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (19) Change the DD 50' Auto Car (#S300 to #S303) to read
                          40'.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (20) Move MOW #S801 to #S806 after the Truss-Rod Reefers
                          > > > (#S700's).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (21) You can move "SCMX" back to the description box.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (22) Please change the heading to Walthers (929) Early New
                          > > > > Production
                          > > > > > (form Walthers Early Production -- New Production).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (23) Move Bobber Cabooses (#929-175 through #929-187) after
                          > the
                          > > > > > Drovers and Combination Cabooses.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (24) Remove these Hart Gondolas -- #929-228 through #929-
                          233 -
                          > -
                          > > > no
                          > > > > > such animals (they're Walthers 729 numbers?).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (25) Move the 36' Box Cars (#929-228 through #929-233)
                          after
                          > > the
                          > > > > > Standard 40' Box Cars, and before the #929-900's (Truss
                          Rod).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (26) Remove these DD 40' Box Cars: #929-290 through #929-
                          293,
                          > > > > they're
                          > > > > > Walthers #792 numbers.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (27) Change the MOW numbers to #929-801 to #929806. These
                          > #929-
                          > > > 323
                          > > > > > to #929-328 are no-such animals; they're Walthers #792
                          > numbers.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (28) You can include any Mechanical Reefers in umerical kit
                          > > > number
                          > > > > > order in with all the rest of the Reefers, and remove the
                          > > > > word "Ice"
                          > > > > > from the heading. They were never described as such in the
                          > > > catalogs
                          > > > > > (even though most were ice bunker reefers).
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > (29) Remove the Mechanical 40' Reefer heading for #929-422
                          > > > through
                          > > > > > #929-433, and run them after #929-421. These later numbers
                          > were
                          > > > all
                          > > > > > ice bunker reefers, not mechanical.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Well that's it again -- enough to keep you busy. I expect
                          > there
                          > > > > will
                          > > > > > be more corrections, but if these are made that should be
                          the
                          > > > bulk
                          > > > > of
                          > > > > > it (maybe, hopefully, even all of it). Take care, Ray
                          > > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4921 From: Chuck Higdon Date: 1/27/2008
                          Subject: Re: Silver Streak

                          Hi Ray,

                           

                          So that we do not end up writing a book, I will add a notation as you suggest.  You can forward which ever is easier.  If I had access to the Reporting Mark article, I could work from that and save you some keypunching.  I will check the NMRA site later to look for it.  Would it be easier to make copies and mail them to me?  I have to dig up my old catalogs and see what I can find.  But I am building bench work so I will work on this in between glue ups.

                           

                          Take care,

                           

                          Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at http://community.webshots.com/user/lordon104

                           

                          From: vintageHO @yahoogroups.com [mailto: vintageHO @yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of erieberk
                          Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:09 PM
                          To: vintageHO @yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [SPAM] [ vintageHO ] Re: Silver Streak

                           

                          Hi Chuck, I could try to whip something up briefly about the history
                          of S.S., with some dates, which might be of interest to some,
                          although once you start that where does it end (do we also then
                          include all the different boxes, etc. that were used?)? Your point
                          does have merit though, if you think it would fit in with this Forum,
                          and we could give it some thought but at least for now the most
                          useful info is documented. As for the Ye Olde Huff 'N Puff Silver
                          Streak, I would not make an additional chart for it, be instead
                          merely put a notation at the end of Walthers that they succeeded
                          Walthers Earlier production and preceeded Walthers Later production
                          of this line, having all the same kit numbers/roadnames and colors,
                          etc. as was later used by Walthers Later production.

                          If you're looking to do another spread sheet on rolling stock from
                          another manufacturer, I can give you either Varney metal or
                          Binkley/Laconia- Lockhart in depth, using kit numbers, road names and
                          reporting numbers. This last one was another that I also wrote an
                          article on for "The Reporting Mark" publication of the HO SC&H (Scale
                          Collectors & History) - SIG (of the NMRA) back in the late '80's, so
                          I have that one all together ready to to. Neither of these two lists
                          have car colors, but I have all the most important data (except for
                          the reporting numbers on Binkley HOn3 -- not having trackage for it,
                          I didn't collect the narrow gauge portion of the line.).

                          Other manufacturers like IMP (International Model Products) metal or
                          Main Line Models wood, which I have both almost complete, would have
                          to wait until I could go through them all for the data. We could do
                          shorter run makers though, like Megow or Ideal (or American Beauty -
                          which I also wrote a piece on) or A-C/L-W, etc., at some point in
                          time. Ray
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4922 From: rcjge Date: 1/27/2008
                          Subject: Endless amounts of untrimmed text.....
                          Hi Gentlemen:

                          Been reading this group for some time and I've never seen (I belong to
                          about 6) one have so much trouble grasping the concept of trimming off
                          all the back and forth text detritus.

                          I receive a digest version each day and today, there was about 10%
                          content and 90% repeat after repeat from guys who don't know how (?)
                          to select text and delete it.

                          I can understand, saving the last message for context but beyond that,
                          it's messy and time wasting to get through all that verbal landfill to
                          find the up to date, particularly since some top-post while others
                          bottom-post.

                          Thanks for listening!

                          Pax,
                          Gareth
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4923 From: Lee Stoermer Date: 1/27/2008
                          Subject: Re: spam warnings
                          All, it also comes from not trimming your posts. When you hit reply you are adding your message onto everything else that is there, and so your email will see all the other links and addresses and then flag it as spam and or send it into your spam/bulk folder. When you reply to someone, it is better to copy out a piece of the message you are replying to, then send it off by pasting the copied portion onto a new email and then sending it. Your system will like it much better, as will all those reading the posts that don't have to wade through the longer than necessary message postings. :)

                          Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4924 From: kilbeggan68 Date: 1/27/2008
                          Subject: Just the facts
                          I signed up to the group for pertinent and technical info.I didnt think
                          it would be an avenue for personal discussion between a few
                          members.They should do that offpost.Please keep this site pertinent to
                          the faith.Pease excuse my directness on this matter.
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4925 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/27/2008
                          Subject: Re: Just the facts
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "kilbeggan68" <wedfrentz@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:11 AM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] Just the facts


                          >I signed up to the group for pertinent and technical info.I didnt think
                          > it would be an avenue for personal discussion between a few
                          > members.They should do that offpost.Please keep this site pertinent to
                          > the faith.Pease excuse my directness on this matter.

                          It's the nature of groups to get social once in a while. I do NOT see a lot
                          of personal discussion here, unlike many groups I've been in.
                          This is a great bunch of guys who share an interest in collecting and
                          running vintage HO, and is one of the easiest groups I have to moderate
                          because there is NOT a lot of "off topic" discussion.

                          I AM the listowner/moderator. If you have a problem with how the list is
                          being run, please take it up with ME. My personal email address is in my
                          signature line.

                          Thanks

                          Don

                          don.dellmann@...
                          http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                          Owner-Moderator
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                          Co-owner
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4926 From: erieberk Date: 1/27/2008
                          Subject: Re: Just the facts
                          Thank you Don, for setting the facts straight. When I first read
                          this "complaint" earlier today I was completely turned off. Your
                          post has restored my faith in at least your faction of this group and
                          those who might see matters from this standpoint. I'm still turned
                          off by the attitude of those who might feel these discussions
                          necessary for us to be able to correctly finish such technical spread
                          sheets are too burdensome for them to have to put up with, and I will
                          refrain from doing any more. It is not as if these discussions
                          involved ANY personal exchanges between myself any anyone else, but
                          were SOLELY in an effort to factually complete spread sheets which
                          would ONLY be to BENEFIT the group, INCLUDING the COMPLAINTANT if he
                          so chooses to make use of it. To view these discussions as personal
                          exchanges and preferring posts of only pertinent and technical
                          information appears to me as nothing but selfish, with a complete
                          disregard for what it takes to try to present such technical
                          information to the group. I don't need to have to do all this work
                          and referencing, nor do I think that our spread-sheet poster who
                          helped me in this project really needed to do all the work he did.
                          We were doing this for the enjoyment of the group. Its a real shame
                          that there are members who can't put up with the intricacies of
                          having to make up these spread sheets (for their own good). Perhaps
                          the complaintant would like to post some technical spread sheets so
                          he wouldn't have to put up with our "SPAM." Ray


                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "kilbeggan68" <wedfrentz@...>
                          > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:11 AM
                          > Subject: [vintageHO] Just the facts
                          >
                          >
                          > >I signed up to the group for pertinent and technical info.I didnt
                          think
                          > > it would be an avenue for personal discussion between a few
                          > > members.They should do that offpost.Please keep this site
                          pertinent to
                          > > the faith.Pease excuse my directness on this matter.
                          >
                          > It's the nature of groups to get social once in a while. I do NOT
                          see a lot
                          > of personal discussion here, unlike many groups I've been in.
                          > This is a great bunch of guys who share an interest in collecting
                          and
                          > running vintage HO, and is one of the easiest groups I have to
                          moderate
                          > because there is NOT a lot of "off topic" discussion.
                          >
                          > I AM the listowner/moderator. If you have a problem with how the
                          list is
                          > being run, please take it up with ME. My personal email address is
                          in my
                          > signature line.
                          >
                          > Thanks
                          >
                          > Don
                          >
                          > don.dellmann@...
                          > http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                          > Owner-Moderator
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                          > Co-owner
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4927 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/27/2008
                          Subject: Re: Just the facts
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:37 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Just the facts


                          > Thank you Don, for setting the facts straight. When I first read
                          > this "complaint" earlier today I was completely turned off. Your
                          > post has restored my faith in at least your faction of this group and
                          > those who might see matters from this standpoint. I'm still turned
                          > off by the attitude of those who might feel these discussions
                          > necessary for us to be able to correctly finish such technical spread
                          > sheets are too burdensome for them to have to put up with, and I will
                          > refrain from doing any more. It is not as if these discussions
                          > involved ANY personal exchanges between myself any anyone else, but
                          > were SOLELY in an effort to factually complete spread sheets which
                          > would ONLY be to BENEFIT the group, INCLUDING the COMPLAINTANT if he
                          > so chooses to make use of it. To view these discussions as personal
                          > exchanges and preferring posts of only pertinent and technical
                          > information appears to me as nothing but selfish, with a complete
                          > disregard for what it takes to try to present such technical
                          > information to the group. I don't need to have to do all this work
                          > and referencing, nor do I think that our spread-sheet poster who
                          > helped me in this project really needed to do all the work he did.
                          > We were doing this for the enjoyment of the group. Its a real shame
                          > that there are members who can't put up with the intricacies of
                          > having to make up these spread sheets (for their own good). Perhaps
                          > the complaintant would like to post some technical spread sheets so
                          > he wouldn't have to put up with our "SPAM." Ray

                          I for one was glad that you guys DID post your discussions in the group. It
                          provides the possibility for anyone else who had pertinent information to
                          add anything they might know.

                          The strength of the group is in the knowledge of our members, and I don't
                          know of any other group where those members are so willing to SHARE their
                          knowledge with the rest of us. I know I for one have learned a LOT in the
                          almost four years we've been here (February 21 is our fourth anniversary),
                          and have made some wonderful online friends.

                          Thanks again

                          Don

                          don.dellmann@...
                          http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                          Owner-Moderator
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
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                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4928 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/27/2008
                          Subject: Re: Just the facts
                          As a "PS" to my previous post, checking the logs, the fellow who complained
                          left the group this noon. His loss.

                          Don

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:37 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Just the facts


                          > Thank you Don, for setting the facts straight. When I first read
                          > this "complaint" earlier today I was completely turned off. Your
                          > post has restored my faith in at least your faction of this group and
                          > those who might see matters from this standpoint. I'm still turned
                          > off by the attitude of those who might feel these discussions
                          > necessary for us to be able to correctly finish such technical spread
                          > sheets are too burdensome for them to have to put up with, and I will
                          > refrain from doing any more. It is not as if these discussions
                          > involved ANY personal exchanges between myself any anyone else, but
                          > were SOLELY in an effort to factually complete spread sheets which
                          > would ONLY be to BENEFIT the group, INCLUDING the COMPLAINTANT if he
                          > so chooses to make use of it. To view these discussions as personal
                          > exchanges and preferring posts of only pertinent and technical
                          > information appears to me as nothing but selfish, with a complete
                          > disregard for what it takes to try to present such technical
                          > information to the group. I don't need to have to do all this work
                          > and referencing, nor do I think that our spread-sheet poster who
                          > helped me in this project really needed to do all the work he did.
                          > We were doing this for the enjoyment of the group. Its a real shame
                          > that there are members who can't put up with the intricacies of
                          > having to make up these spread sheets (for their own good). Perhaps
                          > the complaintant would like to post some technical spread sheets so
                          > he wouldn't have to put up with our "SPAM." Ray
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4929 From: oahurailway Date: 1/28/2008
                          Subject: YOUR WORK IS MOST APPRECIATED!
                          Please keep up the good work Ray! It's most appreciated! And thankyou
                          Don for a GREAT site!

                          Ken
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4930 From: Jack Priller Date: 1/28/2008
                          Subject: Re: Just the facts
                          I would like to add that Mr. D. really does know about groups
                          where personal discussion frequently runs rampent from time to time;
                          I'm on at least one with him. Anybody, besides Don and myself, who
                          remember a usenet group: rec.models.railroad?

                          Maybe that's why he made me a moderator here. Easiest
                          moderating 'job' I have, out of the 9 groups that I do that sort of
                          thing for.

                          Jack Priller, Moderator
                          Still loose in El Paso, TX

                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                          wrote:

                          > It's the nature of groups to get social once in a while. I do NOT
                          see a lot
                          > of personal discussion here, unlike many groups I've been in.
                          > This is a great bunch of guys who share an interest in collecting
                          and
                          > running vintage HO, and is one of the easiest groups I have to
                          moderate
                          > because there is NOT a lot of "off topic" discussion.
                          >
                          > I AM the listowner/moderator. If you have a problem with how the
                          list is
                          > being run, please take it up with ME. My personal email address
                          is in my
                          > signature line.
                          >
                          > Thanks
                          >
                          > Don
                          >
                          > don.dellmann@...
                          > http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                          > Owner-Moderator
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                          > Co-owner
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4931 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/28/2008
                          Subject: attn Don
                          Don--did I screw up?  I spotted a die cast Athearn crane on a somewhat obscure site and forwarded it to the list with the thought that someone might be interested--I have no stake in it--but I know it is an unusual piece--but I have not seen it show up, so I wondered if I screwed up by doing so--if I did, I apologize and will not do it again.
                           
                          Glenn Joesten
                           
                          BTW--I have one in my collection already--or I wouldn't have shared the info.
                           
                            gj
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4932 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: attn Don
                          No, I checked the message logs and there's no record that it even made it as far as Yahoo. 
                           
                          Sometimes it depends how the message is forwarded.  I know I tried to forward a link to an eBay auction once that I thought the group would enjoy, and it never went through because it showed as being sent by eBay, and eBay isn't a group member <G>.  Links and the occasional for sale post are not a problem at all as long as they're "vimtage" equipment. 
                           
                          The ones I have a problem with are the people who do nothing but regularly post long "For Sale" lists for stuff that's not within our area of interest.
                           
                          Don
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Glenn476
                          Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:54 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] attn Don

                          Don--did I screw up?  I spotted a die cast Athearn crane on a somewhat obscure site and forwarded it to the list with the thought that someone might be interested--I have no stake in it--but I know it is an unusual piece--but I have not seen it show up, so I wondered if I screwed up by doing so--if I did, I apologize and will not do it again.
                           
                          Glenn Joesten
                           
                          BTW--I have one in my collection already--or I wouldn't have shared the info.
                           
                            gj
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4933 From: John Hagen Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Just the facts
                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > As a "PS" to my previous post, checking the logs, the fellow who
                          complained
                          > left the group this noon. His loss.
                          >
                          > Don
                          >
                          I belong to many groups. I feel that the discussions on this group
                          are very much on-topic with maybe a little "humanism" tossed in. For
                          which I am thankful. It makes for a friendly bunch and enjoyable
                          reading.

                          I belong to a model car group that posts 75 to 125 messages a day, of
                          which 75% are personal and/or repeats of each other. If it wasn't for
                          the occasional bits of valuable information I get from a few members,
                          I would leave it. As it is, I only read messages from those few
                          members and therefore, I am sure, miss other points of interests
                          posted by others. But there is no way I have time to open and read
                          that many useless messages.

                          Don, moderators and members, keep up the good work.

                          John Hagen
                          Milwaukee, WI
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4934 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Just the facts
                          Re: [vintageHO] Re: Just the facts    I’d like to add my thanks to Ray and Chuck and any others who contributed to the compilation of valuable and interesting data on vintage HO freight cars.  I too was puzzled by the comment on too much personal chatter since the only emails I saw not directly related to trains were about refining and correcting the listings and about making our on-line communication more efficient.  I wish we had asked the person who made that comment what he meant by personal chatter.  I’m new to discussion groups and belong to only two.  The other one doesn’t chatter or discuss very much at all.  Which one do you think is my favorite?  Best wishes, and thanks again to the guys who put in all of that work.

                                                                                                                                                                              Lou Greiff


                          On 1/29/08 10:45 AM, "John Hagen" <sprinthag@...> wrote:


                           
                           

                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > As a "PS" to my previous post, checking the logs, the fellow who
                          complained
                          > left the group this noon.  His loss.
                          >
                          > Don
                          >
                          I belong to many groups. I feel that the discussions on this group
                          are very much on-topic with maybe a little "humanism" tossed in. For
                          which I am thankful. It makes for a friendly bunch and enjoyable
                          reading.

                          I belong to a model car group that posts 75 to 125 messages a day, of
                          which 75% are personal and/or repeats of each other. If it wasn't for
                          the occasional bits of valuable information I get from a few members,
                          I would leave it. As it is, I only read messages from those few
                          members and therefore, I am sure, miss other points of interests
                          posted by others. But there is no way I have time to open and read
                          that many useless messages.

                          Don, moderators and members, keep up the good work.

                          John Hagen
                          Milwaukee, WI

                           
                              
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4935 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: attn Don
                          OK--well--it's still up there--ends at 1252 tomorrow--# 230216171348   Die cast Athearn 200-ton crane. Looks like all the major castings are there, parts of the newer plastic one could finish it out,  As I said--I have no interest in this--I have one--it is an unusual piece.  gj
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:05 AM
                          Subject: Re: [vintageHO] attn Don

                          No, I checked the message logs and there's no record that it even made it as far as Yahoo. 
                           
                          Sometimes it depends how the message is forwarded.  I know I tried to forward a link to an eBay auction once that I thought the group would enjoy, and it never went through because it showed as being sent by eBay, and eBay isn't a group member <G>.  Links and the occasional for sale post are not a problem at all as long as they're "vimtage" equipment. 
                           
                          The ones I have a problem with are the people who do nothing but regularly post long "For Sale" lists for stuff that's not within our area of interest.
                           
                          Don
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Glenn476
                          Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:54 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] attn Don

                          Don--did I screw up?  I spotted a die cast Athearn crane on a somewhat obscure site and forwarded it to the list with the thought that someone might be interested--I have no stake in it--but I know it is an unusual piece--but I have not seen it show up, so I wondered if I screwed up by doing so--if I did, I apologize and will not do it again.
                           
                          Glenn Joesten
                           
                          BTW--I have one in my collection already--or I wouldn't have shared the info.
                           
                            gj
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4936 From: wildwoodjct Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Mantua Memories
                          Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car kits
                          made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                          looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them anywhere
                          today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars had a
                          unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With these
                          couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos unless
                          you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had still the
                          original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on ebay?-
                          -John
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4937 From: cnj999 Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >But today I wish I had still the
                          > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on
                          ebay?-
                          >

                          You bet. They turn up on eBay fairly often, as do the even earlier
                          paper-sided examples. I've even seen a few offering of the "Hook-and-
                          Loop" couplers up for auction!

                          Personally, I tend to favor the rather more unique Laconia and Ambroid
                          rolling stock, like the Mathieson Dry Ice reefer, the Nitric Acid tank
                          car, or the Helium car. While it's difficult to justify more than one
                          of these odd-ball cars in any given consist, which ever one I do choose
                          to include truly stands out and garners the attention of vistors.

                          CNJ999
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4938 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                          I think you are mixing two brands. Mantua started with a body of sheet
                          metal stampings and die castings. Printed and embossed card overlays
                          finished the car. They eventually changed to a one-piece plastic body with
                          a die cast floor/frame.

                          Varney had embossed and lithographed steel sides and ends, with plastic roof
                          and floor--or earlier wood floor with cast frame--boxcar and reefer only,
                          with a flatcar of stamped metal over the frame. They also had a hook & loop
                          coupler for a while--more like the LGB coupler.


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories


                          > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car kits
                          > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                          > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them anywhere
                          > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars had a
                          > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With these
                          > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos unless
                          > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had still the
                          > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on ebay?-
                          > -John
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4939 From: John Barlow Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)
                          Dear CNJ999,
                           
                          Nothing really odd about a Helium tank car or the others in a consist. I actually saw one of those buggers in a private owner's colors under an overpass in San Francisco in August 1972 in San Francisco, as I had just processed off Active Duty with the Air Force at Travis AFB up north of there. I have 35mm slides of it somewhere, but "privatizing" the car is acceptable. After Ambroid, somebody did it in plastic...AHM?
                           
                          John Barlow (jdenver4150@...)

                          cnj999 <jbortle@...> wrote:
                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@. ..> wrote:
                          >
                          >But today I wish I had still the
                          > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on
                          ebay?-
                          >

                          You bet. They turn up on eBay fairly often, as do the even earlier
                          paper-sided examples. I've even seen a few offering of the "Hook-and-
                          Loop" couplers up for auction!

                          Personally, I tend to favor the rather more unique Laconia and Ambroid
                          rolling stock, like the Mathieson Dry Ice reefer, the Nitric Acid tank
                          car, or the Helium car. While it's difficult to justify more than one
                          of these odd-ball cars in any given consist, which ever one I do choose
                          to include truly stands out and garners the attention of vistors.

                          CNJ999


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                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4940 From: Henry Hultgren Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Mantua memories ?
                          Yes AHM did release a helium tank car , did anyone release an ethyl
                          tank car [tetraethyl lead additve] ? It was much smaller but
                          distinctive in appearance [painted yellow/leaf green] . HH
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4941 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)
                          I grew up in the SF Bay Area--US Navy had a big "Airship" base at Moffet Field, near Mountain View.  Used to see the helium cars in there all the time. Huge hangar was originally for the Navy's two dirigibles Akron and Macon.  Macon is on the bottom of the Pacific off Point Sur.  Then they used the facility for ordinary Blimps. 
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:30 PM
                          Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)

                          Dear CNJ999,
                           
                          Nothing really odd about a Helium tank car or the others in a consist. I actually saw one of those buggers in a private owner's colors under an overpass in San Francisco in August 1972 in San Francisco, as I had just processed off Active Duty with the Air Force at Travis AFB up north of there. I have 35mm slides of it somewhere, but "privatizing" the car is acceptable. After Ambroid, somebody did it in plastic...AHM?
                           
                          John Barlow (jdenver4150@...)

                          cnj999 <jbortle@...> wrote:
                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com, "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@. ..> wrote:
                          >
                          >But today I wish I had still the
                          > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on
                          ebay?-
                          >

                          You bet. They turn up on eBay fairly often, as do the even earlier
                          paper-sided examples. I've even seen a few offering of the "Hook-and-
                          Loop" couplers up for auction!

                          Personally, I tend to favor the rather more unique Laconia and Ambroid
                          rolling stock, like the Mathieson Dry Ice reefer, the Nitric Acid tank
                          car, or the Helium car. While it's difficult to justify more than one
                          of these odd-ball cars in any given consist, which ever one I do choose
                          to include truly stands out and garners the attention of vistors.

                          CNJ999


                          Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4942 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                          Hi John:

                          Those "hook and loop" couplers were probably old Baker couplers. Very
                          reliable, but terribly unscalish and unprototypical. They survive today on
                          German HO Fleischmann trains. FYI, Baker couplers are what preceded
                          the X2f (so called "NMRA" coupler of the later 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s).

                          I believe Roco still uses them too on their domestic Austrian line of trains.
                          The Roco versions are much smaller than the old US counterparts, and
                          are such that when coupled into a train, are nearly invisible, particularly
                          on their passenger trains. They hide under the cars diaphrams. They
                          work wonderfully -- too bad the morons who make stuff for the US
                          market haven't discovered them yet.

                          I personally wish the old Baker couplers were still around. After having
                          putzed around with McHenrys, and some of the Kadees, they would be
                          a welcome sight to behold once again, LOL. For long trains and continous
                          running (shows, exhibits, etc), they stay coupled with no false uncouplings
                          or break aways, such as we experience here in the US.

                          T'anks for the memories!

                          Dave F



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                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4943 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                          Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories Hi John,

                              These cars do show up at train meets from time to time.  I found one last Sunday at a very small TTOS (tinplate) train meet in the Buffalo, NY area.  It’s an all-metal boxcar with paper sides.  The 1950s customer bought the generic car and then chose the paper sides from the selection available at the hobby shop.  Mine is Canadian National with the green maple leaf logo.  The car is perfect, but the paper sides have bowed slightly from humidity.  Try searching for Mantua Metal on ebay and see what comes up.
                              Happy hunting.

                                                                                                                                                      Lou Greiff


                          On 1/29/08 4:46 PM, "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...> wrote:


                           
                           

                          Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car kits
                          made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                          looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them anywhere
                          today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars had a
                          unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With these
                          couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos unless
                          you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had still the
                          original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on ebay?-
                          -John

                           
                              
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4944 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                          Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                          I don't know what it is about the Canadian National sides on Mantua.  I have seen and own TWO Mantua original boxcars, and BOTH were the CN (one though the sides were so damaged I couldn't save them and had to do a repaint).  Now you have ONE and it's a CN!  Did they offer any other road names? :-)
                           
                          Don
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:50 PM
                          Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories

                          Hi John,

                              These cars do show up at train meets from time to time.  I found one last Sunday at a very small TTOS (tinplate) train meet in the Buffalo, NY area.  It’s an all-metal boxcar with paper sides.  The 1950s customer bought the generic car and then chose the paper sides from the selection available at the hobby shop.  Mine is Canadian National with the green maple leaf logo.  The car is perfect, but the paper sides have bowed slightly from humidity.  Try searching for Mantua Metal on ebay and see what comes up.
                              Happy hunting.

                                                                                                                                                      Lou Greiff


                          On 1/29/08 4:46 PM, "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...> wrote:

                           
                           

                          Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car kits
                          made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                          looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them anywhere
                          today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars had a
                          unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With these
                          couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos unless
                          you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had still the
                          original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on ebay?-
                          -John

                           
                              
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4945 From: Rick Jones Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                          Louis Greiff wrote:
                          > Hi John,
                          >
                          > These cars do show up at train meets from time to time. I found one
                          > last Sunday at a very small TTOS (tinplate) train meet in the Buffalo,
                          > NY area. It’s an all-metal boxcar with paper sides. The 1950s customer
                          > bought the generic car and then chose the paper sides from the selection
                          > available at the hobby shop. Mine is Canadian National with the green
                          > maple leaf logo. The car is perfect, but the paper sides have bowed
                          > slightly from humidity. Try searching for Mantua Metal on ebay and see
                          > what comes up.
                          > Happy hunting.
                          > Greiff
                          >
                          >
                          > On 1/29/08 4:46 PM, "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car kits
                          > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                          > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them anywhere
                          > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars had a
                          > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With these
                          > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos unless
                          > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had still the
                          > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on ebay?-

                          Serendipity. I just happened to stumble across an online dealer
                          today who claims to have quite a few old kits available. Here's the link:
                          http://www.nixonenterprises.com/default.htm
                          Not sure I'm willing to pay most of the prices he's asking though.

                          --

                          Rick Jones

                          The Lake Erie & Oregon Railroad
                          http://www.geocities.com/seventysixinchesoffun/

                          How is it that we put men on the moon before we figured out it
                          would be a good idea to put wheels on luggage?
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4946 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                          Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories Good question Don.  I assumed mine was CN because a lot of Canadian stuff shows up in the Buffalo area as you might imagine.  The CNs are my only boxcar sides, but I’ve seen many Mantua gondola car sides meant to be attached to a brass car body, and those are lettered for a wide variety of roads.

                                                                                                                                                                      Lou


                          On 1/29/08 11:22 PM, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...> wrote:


                           
                           

                          I don't know what it is about the Canadian National sides on Mantua.  I have seen and own TWO Mantua original boxcars, and BOTH were the CN (one though the sides were so damaged I couldn't save them and had to do a repaint).  Now you have ONE and it's a CN!  Did they offer any other road names? :-)
                          Don
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                          ----- Original Message -----
                           
                          From:  Louis  Greiff <mailto:louie113@...>  
                           
                          To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                           
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:50  PM
                           
                          Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua  Memories
                           

                          Hi John,

                              These cars do  show up at train meets from time to time.  I found one last Sunday at a  very small TTOS (tinplate) train meet in the Buffalo, NY area.  It’s an  all-metal boxcar with paper sides.  The 1950s customer bought the generic  car and then chose the paper sides from the selection available at the hobby  shop.  Mine is Canadian National with the green maple leaf logo.   The car is perfect, but the paper sides have bowed slightly from  humidity.  Try searching for Mantua Metal on ebay and see what comes  up.
                              Happy  hunting.

                                                                                                                                                      Lou  Greiff


                          On 1/29/08 4:46 PM, "wildwoodjct"  <johnbarth@...> wrote:

                           

                           
                           

                          Remember the Mantua kits  from the 1950s? These were freight car kits
                          made of plastic and metal.  The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                          looked for these kits at train  shows but have never seen them anywhere
                          today. Back then the Mantua kits  were very common. Mantua cars had a
                          unique loop coupler which was  attached to the trucks. With these
                          couplers of course you could only  operate Mantua cars and locos unless
                          you changed the couplers which I  did. But today I wish I had still the
                          original couplers. Has anybody  seen these kits anywhere, maybe on  ebay?-
                          -John

                           
                              

                           

                              
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4947 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                          I once had a Mantua "Crazy Crystals" reefer that was a plastic body that metal sides fit into, there were tabs on the side that went into slots in the body and were folded over.   Roger Aultman
                           
                           
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Glenn476
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:57 PM
                          Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories

                          I think you are mixing two brands. Mantua started with a body of sheet
                          metal stampings and die castings. Printed and embossed card overlays
                          finished the car. They eventually changed to a one-piece plastic body with
                          a die cast floor/frame.

                          Varney had embossed and lithographed steel sides and ends, with plastic roof
                          and floor--or earlier wood floor with cast frame--boxcar and reefer only,
                          with a flatcar of stamped metal over the frame. They also had a hook & loop
                          coupler for a while--more like the LGB coupler.

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@verizon. net>
                          To: <vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com>
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM
                          Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories

                          > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car kits
                          > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                          > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them anywhere
                          > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars had a
                          > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With these
                          > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos unless
                          > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had still the
                          > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on ebay?-
                          > -John
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >

                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4948 From: John Hagen Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, WK2SHR@... wrote:
                          >
                          > Hi John:
                          >
                          > Those "hook and loop" couplers were probably old Baker couplers.
                          Very
                          > reliable, but terribly unscalish and unprototypical. They survive
                          today on
                          > German HO Fleischmann trains. FYI, Baker couplers are what preceded
                          > the X2f (so called "NMRA" coupler of the later 50s, 60s, 70s and
                          80s).
                          >
                          > I believe Roco still uses them too on their domestic Austrian line
                          of trains.
                          > The Roco versions are much smaller than the old US counterparts, and
                          > are such that when coupled into a train, are nearly invisible,
                          particularly
                          > on their passenger trains. They hide under the cars diaphrams. They
                          > work wonderfully -- too bad the morons who make stuff for the US
                          > market haven't discovered them yet.
                          >
                          > I personally wish the old Baker couplers were still around. After
                          having
                          > putzed around with McHenrys, and some of the Kadees, they would be
                          > a welcome sight to behold once again, LOL. For long trains and
                          continous
                          > running (shows, exhibits, etc), they stay coupled with no false
                          uncouplings
                          > or break aways, such as we experience here in the US.
                          >
                          > T'anks for the memories!
                          >
                          > Dave F
                          >
                          Both Baker and Mantua made loop and hook couplers but they were of
                          very different design and totally un-capable. Looking at the Mantua
                          loop from the side they would most closely resemble a razor blade
                          viewed from the side. A bit thicker and (hopefully) duller, they were
                          made of a flat piece of thin steel with the leading edge tapered to a
                          point so two couplers would slide one above the other. Their hook was
                          position so that the actual hook part was roughly in the center of
                          the loop as viewed from the top. They had a straight uncoupling pin
                          descending from "drawbar" part of the hook.

                          The Baker loop was also made out of thin metal that was maybe what,
                          3/16ths(?) of an inch in width. The loop was formed with the material
                          on it's edge, sorta like those old, open top metal cookie cutters.
                          From the side (in a poor light) they could actually resemble a
                          knuckle coupler as they had some height to them. Their pin was also
                          cut from a flat piece of metal and the hook part extended out over
                          the face of the loop so as to catch the edge of the loop of the next
                          car. Their loops butted face-to-face against one another when they
                          were coupled. The uncoupling "pin" was curved in profile to somewhat
                          resemble an airhose. They had a spring that gently applied down
                          pressure to the hook.

                          If memory serves me right, John Allen used Baker albeit with the
                          spring removed. This allowed coupling when the cars were
                          just "nudged" together.

                          Wish I had photos but do not at this time. Maybe if get one of
                          them "round-to-it's" I can dig out my old MR magazine from the 40's
                          and 50's and scan some photos.

                          John Hagen
                          Milwaukee, WI
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4949 From: John Hagen Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)
                          --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > I grew up in the SF Bay Area--US Navy had a big "Airship" base at
                          Moffet Field, near Mountain View. Used to see the helium cars in
                          there all the time. Huge hangar was originally for the Navy's two
                          dirigibles Akron and Macon. Macon is on the bottom of the Pacific
                          off Point Sur. Then they used the facility for ordinary Blimps.
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: John Barlow
                          > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:30 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua
                          Memories)
                          >
                          >
                          > Dear CNJ999,
                          >
                          > Nothing really odd about a Helium tank car or the others in a
                          consist. I actually saw one of those buggers in a private owner's
                          colors under an overpass in San Francisco in August 1972 in San
                          Francisco, as I had just processed off Active Duty with the Air Force
                          at Travis AFB up north of there. I have 35mm slides of it somewhere,
                          but "privatizing" the car is acceptable. After Ambroid, somebody did
                          it in plastic...AHM?
                          >
                          > John Barlow (jdenver4150@...)
                          >
                          This discussion of Helium cars has aroused me from my normal stupor
                          and caused me to have a thought, something as rare as 79 cent gas
                          these days.

                          If a rail car was loaded with helium, was it lighter then it's tare?
                          And if so, how did they bill for the shipment? Did they have to use
                          an upside down scale? These are things an inquiring public wants to
                          know.

                          John Hagen
                          Milwaukee, WI.

                          P.s., I'll bet this post would irritate the heck out of
                          that "kilbeggan68" guy.
                          > --------------------------------------------------------------------
                          ----------
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                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4950 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: MANTUA PLASTIC/METAL
                          Atached are pix of the Mantua plastic/metal reefer, it originally came with Mantua hook and loop couplers mounted on the trucks.   Roger Aultman
                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4951 From: WK2SHR@aol.com Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                          Hi John:

                          Thanks for the info on the Mantua and Baker couplers. I see them often
                          in my old copies of MR. I have MRs for all of the 50s and 60s.

                          Stay well,

                          Dave F



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                          Group: vintageHO Message: 4952 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/29/2008
                          Subject: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
                          Attachments :
                            Try again.
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4953 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            Mantua had their hook & loop coupler long before Baker of Varney--which both had h & l couplers--Mantua was the only one to truck-mount the h & coupler.  gj
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: WK2SHR@...
                            Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:18 PM
                            Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories

                            Hi John:

                            Those "hook and loop" couplers were probably old Baker couplers. Very
                            reliable, but terribly unscalish and unprototypical. They survive today on
                            German HO Fleischmann trains. FYI, Baker couplers are what preceded
                            the X2f (so called "NMRA" coupler of the later 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s).

                            I believe Roco still uses them too on their domestic Austrian line of trains.
                            The Roco versions are much smaller than the old US counterparts, and
                            are such that when coupled into a train, are nearly invisible, particularly
                            on their passenger trains. They hide under the cars diaphrams. They
                            work wonderfully -- too bad the morons who make stuff for the US
                            market haven't discovered them yet.

                            I personally wish the old Baker couplers were still around. After having
                            putzed around with McHenrys, and some of the Kadees, they would be
                            a welcome sight to behold once again, LOL. For long trains and continous
                            running (shows, exhibits, etc), they stay coupled with no false uncouplings
                            or break aways, such as we experience here in the US.

                            T'anks for the memories!

                            Dave F



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                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4954 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            Roger--that one is definitely a Varney--they only had that and a boxcar and 50' flat between the wood/card models and the all-plastic ones as John Allen did the ads for. 
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:42 PM
                            Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories

                            I once had a Mantua "Crazy Crystals" reefer that was a plastic body that metal sides fit into, there were tabs on the side that went into slots in the body and were folded over.   Roger Aultman
                             
                             
                             
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Glenn476
                            Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:57 PM
                            Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories

                            I think you are mixing two brands. Mantua started with a body of sheet
                            metal stampings and die castings. Printed and embossed card overlays
                            finished the car. They eventually changed to a one-piece plastic body with
                            a die cast floor/frame.

                            Varney had embossed and lithographed steel sides and ends, with plastic roof
                            and floor--or earlier wood floor with cast frame--boxcar and reefer only,
                            with a flatcar of stamped metal over the frame. They also had a hook & loop
                            coupler for a while--more like the LGB coupler.

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@verizon. net>
                            To: <vintageHO@yahoogrou ps.com>
                            Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM
                            Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories

                            > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car kits
                            > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                            > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them anywhere
                            > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars had a
                            > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With these
                            > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos unless
                            > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had still the
                            > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on ebay?-
                            > -John
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >

                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4955 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
                            Subject: Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)
                            the gas was highly compressed--which got the weight up there.
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "John Hagen" <sprinthag@...>
                            To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:05 PM
                            Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)


                            > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                            >>
                            >> I grew up in the SF Bay Area--US Navy had a big "Airship" base at
                            > Moffet Field, near Mountain View. Used to see the helium cars in
                            > there all the time. Huge hangar was originally for the Navy's two
                            > dirigibles Akron and Macon. Macon is on the bottom of the Pacific
                            > off Point Sur. Then they used the facility for ordinary Blimps.
                            >> ----- Original Message -----
                            >> From: John Barlow
                            >> To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                            >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:30 PM
                            >> Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua
                            > Memories)
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> Dear CNJ999,
                            >>
                            >> Nothing really odd about a Helium tank car or the others in a
                            > consist. I actually saw one of those buggers in a private owner's
                            > colors under an overpass in San Francisco in August 1972 in San
                            > Francisco, as I had just processed off Active Duty with the Air Force
                            > at Travis AFB up north of there. I have 35mm slides of it somewhere,
                            > but "privatizing" the car is acceptable. After Ambroid, somebody did
                            > it in plastic...AHM?
                            >>
                            >> John Barlow (jdenver4150@...)
                            >>
                            > This discussion of Helium cars has aroused me from my normal stupor
                            > and caused me to have a thought, something as rare as 79 cent gas
                            > these days.
                            >
                            > If a rail car was loaded with helium, was it lighter then it's tare?
                            > And if so, how did they bill for the shipment? Did they have to use
                            > an upside down scale? These are things an inquiring public wants to
                            > know.
                            >
                            > John Hagen
                            > Milwaukee, WI.
                            >
                            > P.s., I'll bet this post would irritate the heck out of
                            > that "kilbeggan68" guy.
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                            > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            >
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                            >
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4956 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
                            Subject: Re: MANTUA PLASTIC/METAL
                            didn't come thru--gj
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:05 PM
                            Subject: [vintageHO] MANTUA PLASTIC/METAL

                            Atached are pix of the Mantua plastic/metal reefer, it originally came with Mantua hook and loop couplers mounted on the trucks.   Roger Aultman
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4957 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/29/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua plastic/metal reefer
                            That is definitely a Varney--I have one like it--the trucks are Kadee--the only ones of the era to have the brake beams cast in.  gj
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:08 PM
                            Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua plastic/metal reefer

                            Try again.
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4958 From: Gerold Eckl Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: was: Mantua Memories - odd couplers
                            > Hi John:
                            >
                            > Those "hook and loop" couplers were probably old Baker couplers. Very
                            > reliable, but terribly unscalish and unprototypical. They survive
                            > today on
                            > German HO Fleischmann trains. FYI, Baker couplers are what preceded
                            > the X2f (so called "NMRA" coupler of the later 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s).
                            >
                            Baker couplers are similar to old Fleischmann's ( think F. has some sort
                            of close coupling system now) but while Bakers were asymetrical and made
                            from sheet metal, F.s were symetrical and cast. From all the Eurpean
                            couplers they were the worst - incompatible with anything else, mounted
                            much higher than any other coupler and impossible to get cars apart
                            without uncoupling tracks or tools. I had some El Capitan High Levels as
                            a boy, even bought expensive Fleischmann adapter couplers ( for the
                            Maerklin / Roco / Kleinbahn/ Lima / Rivarossi / whatever loop couplers )
                            - they were insatisfactory as they had some sort of offset shank which
                            caused them to have vertical play.
                            >
                            >
                            > I believe Roco still uses them too on their domestic Austrian line
                            > of trains.
                            > The Roco versions are much smaller than the old US counterparts, and
                            > are such that when coupled into a train, are nearly invisible,
                            > particularly
                            > on their passenger trains. They hide under the cars diaphrams. They
                            > work wonderfully -- too bad the morons who make stuff for the US
                            > market haven't discovered them yet.
                            >
                            If you are talking about the old style Roco - Märklin - .... system I
                            have to disagree strongly. ( they have a new close coupling system now
                            that has its own advantages and bad sides, but this is off topic here)
                            Common to all those European couplers was that they looked terrible and
                            , as it was necessary to avoid buffers to touch each other in curves or
                            - heaven forbid - catch in S-curves ! - had to be quite long. This was
                            simple accepted then as an inavoidable fact. What made things really
                            annoying was that none of those couplers worked ok with any other brand.
                            Living in Vienna it was customary to have a Kleinbahn set, but with time
                            I bought other models or got some odd pieces from well meaning
                            relatives, the inavoidable problems were impossible to overcome for a
                            ten year old. Then, some stores began to sell AHM and Con Cor cars with
                            Horn Hook couplers, and they had adapters for those which also worked
                            rather inreliable... at age 16 I gave up , frustrated by all the
                            trouble. Surely other things contributed also, but I still remember the
                            frustration.. .
                            Twenty years later I came about a few cars with Kadee couplers - what a
                            difference ! I can lift a ( freight) car right out of a train without
                            twisting, I have couplers that LOOK like couplers , and I can adapt them
                            to everything that rolls on H0 tracks... One of the reasons I came back
                            into model railroading.
                            >
                            >
                            > I personally wish the old Baker couplers were still around. After
                            > having
                            > putzed around with McHenrys, and some of the Kadees, they would be
                            > a welcome sight to behold once again, LOL. For long trains and
                            > continous
                            > running (shows, exhibits, etc), they stay coupled with no false
                            > uncouplings
                            > or break aways, such as we experience here in the US.
                            >
                            Re McHenrys - as long as there are people who buy a off brand product
                            that works inreliable and looks doubtful, there will be manufactures
                            who cater to those... I really feel cheated when I buy a $ 40 passenger
                            car with a brand x coupler which has to go straight to the waste bin.
                            Whats the difference to Horn Hook days?

                            BTW, a even coarse version of the Mantua coupler still lives on in
                            England - just check the "Thomas" train sets sold by Walthers!

                            Gerold
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4959 From: jay matz Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Helium Tank Car (was: Mantua Memories)
                            John
                            I ask that question once. I was told that the Helium was under pressure in a liquid state and was very heavy.
                            Jay


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                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4960 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            Hi Glenn, Very close, on the Mantua, although I regret in having to
                            say you appear to be mistaken on Varney's construction of their
                            lithographed steel boxcars and reefers. Yes, Varney did use their
                            type of hook & loop couplers for a while.

                            Although Mantua started in the modeling business in 1926, the
                            earliest catalogs I have of theirs is 1938. This catalog carries
                            only three freight car models (all factory built) and one kit in
                            their complete line of H0 -- none having the printed and embossed
                            card overlays yet. These cars included:

                            Caboose -- 4-Wheel Bobber - Factory painted and lettered Reading, and
                            numbered 90274. Price $4.25

                            Gondola (40') High Side -- Factory painted and lettered Lehigh
                            Valley, and numbered 3140. Price $3.00

                            Flat Car (40') Factory painted and lettered T & P (Texas & Pacific)
                            and numbered (number unknown). $Price $2.75

                            Caboose -- 4-Wheel Bobber (Reading Style) -- Kit (same as above
                            caboose. Price $2.00

                            Note: ALL cars were made of pressed steel and brass, welded and
                            soldered, and included their hook and loop coupler. Mantua's
                            embossed card overlays to be used on their box cars, reefers, tank
                            cars, hoppers and gondolas became available after this period, but
                            before the War; both my 1941 and '42 catalogs carry them. The flat
                            car by this time was cast metal (and they also brought out the 8-
                            wheel caboose). The old time passenger cars also came out then.

                            With Varney, their lithographed steel boxcars and reefers always had
                            a factory painted steel roof. It was the floor only that changed
                            first from wood to cast metal (in 1952), and then from cast metal to
                            molded plastic (in 1954). They used the molded plastic dummy knuckle
                            couplers during the metal car period. Varney's hook & loop coupler
                            was used pre-War with their embossed Strathmore board sided cars.
                            Best, Ray W.


                            --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > I think you are mixing two brands. Mantua started with a body of
                            sheet
                            > metal stampings and die castings. Printed and embossed card
                            overlays
                            > finished the car. They eventually changed to a one-piece plastic
                            body with
                            > a die cast floor/frame.
                            >
                            > Varney had embossed and lithographed steel sides and ends, with
                            plastic roof
                            > and floor--or earlier wood floor with cast frame--boxcar and reefer
                            only,
                            > with a flatcar of stamped metal over the frame. They also had a
                            hook & loop
                            > coupler for a while--more like the LGB coupler.
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...>
                            > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM
                            > Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                            >
                            >
                            > > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car
                            kits
                            > > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                            > > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them
                            anywhere
                            > > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars
                            had a
                            > > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With these
                            > > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos
                            unless
                            > > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had
                            still the
                            > > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on
                            ebay?-
                            > > -John
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4961 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            Glenn, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by Varney "only having
                            that (Crazy Crystal reefer), a box car and a 50' flat between the
                            wood/card models and the all-plastic ones that John Allen did the ads
                            for." I presume you're talking about Varney's metal freight car
                            line, and possibly you mean that they did a series of reefers using
                            that as their contruction (plastic body w/ metal sides, using tabs)
                            between these two times(?), as I seem to gather from this.

                            If that's the case, please know that Varney did not use this type of
                            construction -- that was Mantua's; nor did Varney ever produce a
                            Crazy Crystals reefer. Roger's car is definitely a Mantua. They
                            produced a small line of billboard reefers (only) after their
                            embossed car side metal cars and before going over to molded all-
                            plastic cars. I have a number of these in original boxes (boxes are
                            short, one-piece with a fold down lid) including Crazy Crystals, Baby
                            Ruth, Land 'O Lakes and Borden's Fine Cheese. Ray W.


                            --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Roger--that one is definitely a Varney--they only had that and a
                            boxcar and 50' flat between the wood/card models and the all-plastic
                            ones as John Allen did the ads for.
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Roger Aultman
                            > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:42 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                            >
                            >
                            > I once had a Mantua "Crazy Crystals" reefer that was a plastic
                            body that metal sides fit into, there were tabs on the side that went
                            into slots in the body and were folded over. Roger Aultman
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Glenn476
                            > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:57 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                            >
                            >
                            > I think you are mixing two brands. Mantua started with a body
                            of sheet
                            > metal stampings and die castings. Printed and embossed card
                            overlays
                            > finished the car. They eventually changed to a one-piece
                            plastic body with
                            > a die cast floor/frame.
                            >
                            > Varney had embossed and lithographed steel sides and ends, with
                            plastic roof
                            > and floor--or earlier wood floor with cast frame--boxcar and
                            reefer only,
                            > with a flatcar of stamped metal over the frame. They also had a
                            hook & loop
                            > coupler for a while--more like the LGB coupler.
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...>
                            > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM
                            > Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                            >
                            > > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight
                            car kits
                            > > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I
                            have
                            > > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them
                            anywhere
                            > > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua
                            cars had a
                            > > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With
                            these
                            > > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and
                            locos unless
                            > > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had
                            still the
                            > > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere,
                            maybe on ebay?-
                            > > -John
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4962 From: Denny Anspach Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: US Hobbies/KTM O gauge
                            Does there exist anywhere a compilation or index of the prolific O
                            gauge brass locomotive that US Hobbies imported under its name for
                            so many years in the '70s and '80s? John Glaab's Brown Book includes
                            only HO. The California State Railroad Museum is undergoing an
                            extensive cataloguing of its large toy and scale model collections,
                            and the scale O gauge is shaping up to be one of the harder nuts.

                            Denny
                            --
                            Denny S. Anspach, MD
                            Sacramento
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4963 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            TWIMC: I must jump in here as, I do not recall VARNEY having hoop and
                            loop couplers.

                            I got into HO trains back in 1940 and have acccumulated quite a large
                            inventory of VARNEY production since that time. The oldest catalog that
                            I have is from 1941. The oldest coupler that I have run across, is the
                            simulated dummy knuckle coupler, done in a round shape with a vertical
                            cast on bead at the end of the supposed knuckle, for extra strength.

                            I am not aware of any production of a hook and loop (Mantua) style
                            coupler produced or included by VARNEY in their kits, at any time. As I
                            recall, the couplers supplied during WW 2, were of knuckle design,
                            improved in detail and cast in Tenite (plastic). A simple shaft was
                            behind the coupler head with a hole for pinning same to the wooden car
                            floor. Other hardware, such as end sills, air brake cylinders, triple
                            valves, wheels and reefer platforms with hatches, were also cast in
                            Tenite at that time.

                            Wartime restrictions against metal usage for non essential purposes,
                            required a priority permit to obtain such metals as axles seemed to
                            remain available. All else was wood, paper or plastic.

                            I have a three ring binder, full of VARNEY reprints, including catalogs
                            and magazine advertisements. Nothing there suggests that VARNEY ever
                            used hook and loop couplers. If they did, I suspect that it would have
                            been before WW 2 and should be specifically documented on this list.

                            Anyone?

                            Don L.
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4964 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            Mantua did have their hook & loop coupler before Varney, at least by
                            1938 as I previously mentioned. Varney's 1938 catalog shows their
                            old style of plastic (tenite) dummy coupler, part # 601, which was
                            also the only one they had in 1939. Their 1940 and '41 catalogs show
                            that one in addition to a new AAR type dummy plastic coupler, part
                            #600, which was carried over (with the same part #) when production
                            was resumed after the War. Late pre-War kits included the hook &
                            loop coupler, until stock ran out. Ray


                            --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Mantua had their hook & loop coupler long before Baker of Varney--
                            which both had h & l couplers--Mantua was the only one to truck-mount
                            the h & coupler. gj
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: WK2SHR@...
                            > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:18 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                            >
                            >
                            > Hi John:
                            >
                            > Those "hook and loop" couplers were probably old Baker couplers.
                            Very
                            > reliable, but terribly unscalish and unprototypical. They survive
                            today on
                            > German HO Fleischmann trains. FYI, Baker couplers are what
                            preceded
                            > the X2f (so called "NMRA" coupler of the later 50s, 60s, 70s and
                            80s).
                            >
                            > I believe Roco still uses them too on their domestic Austrian
                            line of trains.
                            > The Roco versions are much smaller than the old US counterparts,
                            and
                            > are such that when coupled into a train, are nearly invisible,
                            particularly
                            > on their passenger trains. They hide under the cars diaphrams.
                            They
                            > work wonderfully -- too bad the morons who make stuff for the US
                            > market haven't discovered them yet.
                            >
                            > I personally wish the old Baker couplers were still around. After
                            having
                            > putzed around with McHenrys, and some of the Kadees, they would be
                            > a welcome sight to behold once again, LOL. For long trains and
                            continous
                            > running (shows, exhibits, etc), they stay coupled with no false
                            uncouplings
                            > or break aways, such as we experience here in the US.
                            >
                            > T'anks for the memories!
                            >
                            > Dave F
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > **************
                            > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
                            > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?
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                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4965 From: Louis Greiff Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            Re: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua Memories Hi Ray,

                                Thanks for all the useful information.  I’m especially glad to know that Varney started out with wood floors on their steel cars.  I’m familiar with both the cast metal and plastic floors, and have one boxcar kit with a wood floor which I wasn’t sure was original.
                                All best.

                                                                                                                                                                Lou Greiff


                            On 1/30/08 11:55 AM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:


                             
                             

                            Hi Glenn,  Very close, on the Mantua, although I regret in having to
                            say you appear to be mistaken on Varney's construction of their
                            lithographed steel boxcars and reefers.  Yes, Varney did use their
                            type of hook & loop couplers for a while.

                            Although Mantua started in the modeling business in 1926, the
                            earliest catalogs I have of theirs is 1938.  This catalog carries
                            only three freight car models (all factory built) and one kit in
                            their complete line of H0 -- none having the printed and embossed
                            card overlays yet.  These cars included:

                            Caboose -- 4-Wheel Bobber - Factory painted and lettered Reading, and
                            numbered 90274.  Price $4.25

                            Gondola (40') High Side -- Factory painted and lettered Lehigh
                            Valley, and numbered 3140.  Price $3.00

                            Flat Car (40') Factory painted and lettered T & P (Texas & Pacific)
                            and numbered (number unknown).  $Price $2.75

                            Caboose -- 4-Wheel Bobber (Reading Style) -- Kit (same as above
                            caboose.  Price $2.00

                            Note:  ALL cars were made of pressed steel and brass, welded and
                            soldered, and included their hook and loop coupler.  Mantua's
                            embossed card overlays to be used on their box cars, reefers, tank
                            cars, hoppers and gondolas became available after this period, but
                            before the War; both my 1941 and '42 catalogs carry them.  The flat
                            car by this time was cast metal (and they also brought out the 8-
                            wheel caboose).  The old time passenger cars also came out then.

                            With Varney, their lithographed steel boxcars and reefers always had
                            a factory painted steel roof.   It was the floor only that changed
                            first from wood to cast metal (in 1952), and then from cast metal to
                            molded plastic (in 1954).  They used the molded plastic dummy knuckle
                            couplers during the metal car period.  Varney's hook & loop coupler
                            was used pre-War with their embossed Strathmore board sided cars.  
                            Best,  Ray W.

                            --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > I think you are mixing two brands.  Mantua started with a body of
                            sheet
                            > metal stampings and die castings. Printed and embossed card
                            overlays
                            > finished the car.  They eventually changed to a one-piece plastic
                            body with
                            > a die cast floor/frame.
                            >
                            > Varney had embossed and lithographed steel sides and ends, with
                            plastic roof
                            > and floor--or earlier wood floor with cast frame--boxcar and reefer
                            only,
                            > with a flatcar of stamped metal over the frame. They also had a
                            hook & loop
                            > coupler for a while--more like the LGB coupler.
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...>
                            > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%40yahoogroups.com> >
                            > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM
                            > Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                            >
                            >
                            > > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car
                            kits
                            > > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                            > > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them
                            anywhere
                            > > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars
                            had a
                            > > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With these
                            > > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos
                            unless
                            > > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had
                            still the
                            > > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on
                            ebay?-
                            > > -John
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >

                             
                                
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4966 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            Hey Don, Like you, none of my Varney literature indicates a hook &
                            loop coupler. There seems to be a short blurb on them in the Varney
                            Guide though (on page 30), but again no pic. After the War, I bought
                            several of the old pre-War kits which were left over stock, as
                            original kits from hobby shops which included hook & loop couplers as
                            can be seen on pages 33, 34, 35 & 39, on some of these pre-War cars.

                            Since my kits carrying these couplers came from various hobby shops
                            as original (untouched) kits, I'm tending to believe Varney did
                            supply them before they converted over to War production. Apparently
                            other members here also feel Varney offered them. As it seems you're
                            suspecting though, and you have a good point, even with all this
                            these still may not be Varney's even if its compelling to see it as
                            such. I do remember their Tenite couplers, a material with which
                            they also made pre-War stock cars and gondolas out of at some point.
                            I would not mind seeing further proof one way or the other to decide
                            this point, besides what is being offered. Best, Ray


                            --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, DLeistikow@... wrote:
                            >
                            > TWIMC: I must jump in here as, I do not recall VARNEY having hoop
                            and
                            > loop couplers.
                            >
                            > I got into HO trains back in 1940 and have acccumulated quite a
                            large
                            > inventory of VARNEY production since that time. The oldest catalog
                            that
                            > I have is from 1941. The oldest coupler that I have run across, is
                            the
                            > simulated dummy knuckle coupler, done in a round shape with a
                            vertical
                            > cast on bead at the end of the supposed knuckle, for extra
                            strength.
                            >
                            > I am not aware of any production of a hook and loop (Mantua) style
                            > coupler produced or included by VARNEY in their kits, at any time.
                            As I
                            > recall, the couplers supplied during WW 2, were of knuckle design,
                            > improved in detail and cast in Tenite (plastic). A simple shaft was
                            > behind the coupler head with a hole for pinning same to the wooden
                            car
                            > floor. Other hardware, such as end sills, air brake cylinders,
                            triple
                            > valves, wheels and reefer platforms with hatches, were also cast in
                            > Tenite at that time.
                            >
                            > Wartime restrictions against metal usage for non essential purposes,
                            > required a priority permit to obtain such metals as axles seemed to
                            > remain available. All else was wood, paper or
                            plastic.
                            >
                            > I have a three ring binder, full of VARNEY reprints, including
                            catalogs
                            > and magazine advertisements. Nothing there suggests that VARNEY
                            ever
                            > used hook and loop couplers. If they did, I suspect that it would
                            have
                            > been before WW 2 and should be specifically documented on this
                            list.
                            >
                            > Anyone?
                            >
                            > Don L.
                            >
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4967 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            Hi Lou, Yes, Varney did have some of their early production of steel
                            cars using wood floors, although its not commonly know. To verify
                            this (if you can use this as "verification"), Spanagel's Varney Guide
                            (Greenberg) has this to say about the die-stamped sheet steel sides
                            (& ends -- one piece): "These were attached to a wooden floor and
                            cast underframe borrowed from the last of the cardboard-sided Deluxe
                            kits of 1948 - 1949." Regards, Ray


                            --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, Louis Greiff <louie113@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Hi Ray,
                            >
                            > Thanks for all the useful information. I¹m especially glad to
                            know that
                            > Varney started out with wood floors on their steel cars. I¹m
                            familiar with
                            > both the cast metal and plastic floors, and have one boxcar kit
                            with a wood
                            > floor which I wasn¹t sure was original.
                            > All best.
                            >
                            >
                            > Lou Greiff
                            >
                            >
                            > On 1/30/08 11:55 AM, "erieberk" <erieberk@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Hi Glenn, Very close, on the Mantua, although I regret in having
                            to
                            > > say you appear to be mistaken on Varney's construction of their
                            > > lithographed steel boxcars and reefers. Yes, Varney did use their
                            > > type of hook & loop couplers for a while.
                            > >
                            > > Although Mantua started in the modeling business in 1926, the
                            > > earliest catalogs I have of theirs is 1938. This catalog carries
                            > > only three freight car models (all factory built) and one kit in
                            > > their complete line of H0 -- none having the printed and embossed
                            > > card overlays yet. These cars included:
                            > >
                            > > Caboose -- 4-Wheel Bobber - Factory painted and lettered Reading,
                            and
                            > > numbered 90274. Price $4.25
                            > >
                            > > Gondola (40') High Side -- Factory painted and lettered Lehigh
                            > > Valley, and numbered 3140. Price $3.00
                            > >
                            > > Flat Car (40') Factory painted and lettered T & P (Texas &
                            Pacific)
                            > > and numbered (number unknown). $Price $2.75
                            > >
                            > > Caboose -- 4-Wheel Bobber (Reading Style) -- Kit (same as above
                            > > caboose. Price $2.00
                            > >
                            > > Note: ALL cars were made of pressed steel and brass, welded and
                            > > soldered, and included their hook and loop coupler. Mantua's
                            > > embossed card overlays to be used on their box cars, reefers, tank
                            > > cars, hoppers and gondolas became available after this period, but
                            > > before the War; both my 1941 and '42 catalogs carry them. The
                            flat
                            > > car by this time was cast metal (and they also brought out the 8-
                            > > wheel caboose). The old time passenger cars also came out then.
                            > >
                            > > With Varney, their lithographed steel boxcars and reefers always
                            had
                            > > a factory painted steel roof. It was the floor only that changed
                            > > first from wood to cast metal (in 1952), and then from cast metal
                            to
                            > > molded plastic (in 1954). They used the molded plastic dummy
                            knuckle
                            > > couplers during the metal car period. Varney's hook & loop
                            coupler
                            > > was used pre-War with their embossed Strathmore board sided cars.
                            > > Best, Ray W.
                            > >
                            > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%
                            40yahoogroups.com> ,
                            > > "Glenn476" <glenn476@> wrote:
                            > >> >
                            > >> > I think you are mixing two brands. Mantua started with a body
                            of
                            > > sheet
                            > >> > metal stampings and die castings. Printed and embossed card
                            > > overlays
                            > >> > finished the car. They eventually changed to a one-piece
                            plastic
                            > > body with
                            > >> > a die cast floor/frame.
                            > >> >
                            > >> > Varney had embossed and lithographed steel sides and ends, with
                            > > plastic roof
                            > >> > and floor--or earlier wood floor with cast frame--boxcar and
                            reefer
                            > > only,
                            > >> > with a flatcar of stamped metal over the frame. They also had a
                            > > hook & loop
                            > >> > coupler for a while--more like the LGB coupler.
                            > >> >
                            > >> >
                            > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                            > >> > From: "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@>
                            > >> > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vintageHO%
                            40yahoogroups.com> >
                            > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM
                            > >> > Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                            > >> >
                            > >> >
                            > >>> > > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight
                            car
                            > > kits
                            > >>> > > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides.
                            I have
                            > >>> > > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen
                            them
                            > > anywhere
                            > >>> > > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua
                            cars
                            > > had a
                            > >>> > > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With
                            these
                            > >>> > > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and
                            locos
                            > > unless
                            > >>> > > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had
                            > > still the
                            > >>> > > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere,
                            maybe on
                            > > ebay?-
                            > >>> > > -John
                            > >>> > >
                            > >>> > >
                            > >>> > >
                            > >>> > >
                            > >>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            > >>> > >
                            > >>> > >
                            > >>> > >
                            > >>> > >
                            > >> >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4968 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            Don, I don't know if you're serious in asking if Mantua offered any
                            other road names in there paper-sided metal box car line, or if
                            you're just trying to twist my arm to continue kit lists (LOL), but
                            yes, they had a fair selection of 18 different box cars (in addition
                            to 20 reefers, 6 hoppers, 6 gondolas and 12 tank cars -- and 1 undec
                            flat), and a 4-wheel and 8-wheel caboose as well. Ray


                            --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                            wrote:
                            >
                            > Re: [vintageHO] Mantua MemoriesI don't know what it is about the
                            Canadian National sides on Mantua. I have seen and own TWO Mantua
                            original boxcars, and BOTH were the CN (one though the sides were so
                            damaged I couldn't save them and had to do a repaint). Now you have
                            ONE and it's a CN! Did they offer any other road names? :-)
                            >
                            > Don
                            >
                            > don.dellmann@...
                            > http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                            > Owner-Moderator
                            > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                            > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                            > Co-owner
                            > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Louis Greiff
                            > To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:50 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                            >
                            >
                            > Hi John,
                            >
                            > These cars do show up at train meets from time to time. I
                            found one last Sunday at a very small TTOS (tinplate) train meet in
                            the Buffalo, NY area. It's an all-metal boxcar with paper sides.
                            The 1950s customer bought the generic car and then chose the paper
                            sides from the selection available at the hobby shop. Mine is
                            Canadian National with the green maple leaf logo. The car is
                            perfect, but the paper sides have bowed slightly from humidity. Try
                            searching for Mantua Metal on ebay and see what comes up.
                            > Happy hunting.
                            >
                            >
                            Lou Greiff
                            >
                            >
                            > On 1/29/08 4:46 PM, "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car
                            kits
                            > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I
                            have
                            > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them
                            anywhere
                            > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars
                            had a
                            > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With
                            these
                            > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos
                            unless
                            > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had
                            still the
                            > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe
                            on ebay?-
                            > -John
                            >
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4969 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            I'll have to dig out the MR's from 1938-39 and compare.

                            As to Varney--that photo looks like a plastic roof with the hatches molded
                            in. I don't know too much about the pre-war Varney, other than it was the
                            traditional wood and card style kits. The Varney H&L coupler I recall came
                            along in the Train Set Era. It was made of stamped steel.,blued, and looked
                            very much like the modern LGB coupler.

                            From what I have dug out, the Mantua cars progressed from the metal with
                            card side versions (I am not familiar with the earlier ones) with the
                            exception that the cabooses were similar to the open platform passenger
                            cars, all stamped and cast metal. The last freight car in that line, that I
                            consider to be the transition to the "Modern" line, was the flat car--all
                            die cast metal. This led to the cast floor/frame used in the plastic bodied
                            cars later called the "Heavies"--the boxcar, reefer, and gondola were the
                            direct descendants. gj
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                            To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:55 AM
                            Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua Memories


                            > Hi Glenn, Very close, on the Mantua, although I regret in having to
                            > say you appear to be mistaken on Varney's construction of their
                            > lithographed steel boxcars and reefers. Yes, Varney did use their
                            > type of hook & loop couplers for a while.
                            >
                            > Although Mantua started in the modeling business in 1926, the
                            > earliest catalogs I have of theirs is 1938. This catalog carries
                            > only three freight car models (all factory built) and one kit in
                            > their complete line of H0 -- none having the printed and embossed
                            > card overlays yet. These cars included:
                            >
                            > Caboose -- 4-Wheel Bobber - Factory painted and lettered Reading, and
                            > numbered 90274. Price $4.25
                            >
                            > Gondola (40') High Side -- Factory painted and lettered Lehigh
                            > Valley, and numbered 3140. Price $3.00
                            >
                            > Flat Car (40') Factory painted and lettered T & P (Texas & Pacific)
                            > and numbered (number unknown). $Price $2.75
                            >
                            > Caboose -- 4-Wheel Bobber (Reading Style) -- Kit (same as above
                            > caboose. Price $2.00
                            >
                            > Note: ALL cars were made of pressed steel and brass, welded and
                            > soldered, and included their hook and loop coupler. Mantua's
                            > embossed card overlays to be used on their box cars, reefers, tank
                            > cars, hoppers and gondolas became available after this period, but
                            > before the War; both my 1941 and '42 catalogs carry them. The flat
                            > car by this time was cast metal (and they also brought out the 8-
                            > wheel caboose). The old time passenger cars also came out then.
                            >
                            > With Varney, their lithographed steel boxcars and reefers always had
                            > a factory painted steel roof. It was the floor only that changed
                            > first from wood to cast metal (in 1952), and then from cast metal to
                            > molded plastic (in 1954). They used the molded plastic dummy knuckle
                            > couplers during the metal car period. Varney's hook & loop coupler
                            > was used pre-War with their embossed Strathmore board sided cars.
                            > Best, Ray W.
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                            >>
                            >> I think you are mixing two brands. Mantua started with a body of
                            > sheet
                            >> metal stampings and die castings. Printed and embossed card
                            > overlays
                            >> finished the car. They eventually changed to a one-piece plastic
                            > body with
                            >> a die cast floor/frame.
                            >>
                            >> Varney had embossed and lithographed steel sides and ends, with
                            > plastic roof
                            >> and floor--or earlier wood floor with cast frame--boxcar and reefer
                            > only,
                            >> with a flatcar of stamped metal over the frame. They also had a
                            > hook & loop
                            >> coupler for a while--more like the LGB coupler.
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> ----- Original Message -----
                            >> From: "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...>
                            >> To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                            >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM
                            >> Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car
                            > kits
                            >> > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I have
                            >> > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them
                            > anywhere
                            >> > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars
                            > had a
                            >> > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With these
                            >> > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos
                            > unless
                            >> > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had
                            > still the
                            >> > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe on
                            > ebay?-
                            >> > -John
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >>
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            Group: vintageHO Message: 4970 From: Roger Aultman Date: 1/30/2008
                            Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                            Attachments :
                              I tried the Varney autos in the mmid 50's  for awhile, switching from Mantua, they seemed to have little advantage.  Next were the X2F which I tried to use untill KD devolped the MageMatics.  I thought   there was a unopened package around but could not find it, or a add in a magazine.  Attached is a  scan from the RMC "Dispatchers Report" December 1954 that mentions the Varney auto.
                              Roger Aultman
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:47 AM
                              Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua Memories

                              TWIMC: I must jump in here as, I do not recall VARNEY having hoop and
                              loop couplers.

                              I got into HO trains back in 1940 and have acccumulated quite a large
                              inventory of VARNEY production since that time. The oldest catalog that
                              I have is from 1941. The oldest coupler that I have run across, is the
                              simulated dummy knuckle coupler, done in a round shape with a vertical
                              cast on bead at the end of the supposed knuckle, for extra strength.

                              I am not aware of any production of a hook and loop (Mantua) style
                              coupler produced or included by VARNEY in their kits, at any time. As I
                              recall, the couplers supplied during WW 2, were of knuckle design,
                              improved in detail and cast in Tenite (plastic). A simple shaft was
                              behind the coupler head with a hole for pinning same to the wooden car
                              floor. Other hardware, such as end sills, air brake cylinders, triple
                              valves, wheels and reefer platforms with hatches, were also cast in
                              Tenite at that time.

                              Wartime restrictions against metal usage for non essential purposes,
                              required a priority permit to obtain such metals as axles seemed to
                              remain available. All else was wood, paper or plastic.

                              I have a three ring binder, full of VARNEY reprints, including catalogs
                              and magazine advertisements. Nothing there suggests that VARNEY ever
                              used hook and loop couplers. If they did, I suspect that it would have
                              been before WW 2 and should be specifically documented on this list.

                              Anyone?

                              Don L.
                              Group: vintageHO Message: 4971 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
                              Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                              by "the reefer" I meant generically a series of paint schemes on that style
                              body, as the boxcar had a series of road names. The main thing was that
                              they were late getting into the freight cars in the post war period
                              (Probably because they were concentrating on getting the steam locomotive
                              line back in production, and developing the diesels.) But I think that
                              Gordon Varney saw the future and proceeded to the all-plastic line of
                              freight cars.

                              I'll get out to "the Basement" after while and look up the ads and reviews.
                              My collection of MR lacks only 15 issues in the thirties to be complete. gj
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                              To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:24 AM
                              Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua Memories


                              > Glenn, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by Varney "only having
                              > that (Crazy Crystal reefer), a box car and a 50' flat between the
                              > wood/card models and the all-plastic ones that John Allen did the ads
                              > for." I presume you're talking about Varney's metal freight car
                              > line, and possibly you mean that they did a series of reefers using
                              > that as their contruction (plastic body w/ metal sides, using tabs)
                              > between these two times(?), as I seem to gather from this.
                              >
                              > If that's the case, please know that Varney did not use this type of
                              > construction -- that was Mantua's; nor did Varney ever produce a
                              > Crazy Crystals reefer. Roger's car is definitely a Mantua. They
                              > produced a small line of billboard reefers (only) after their
                              > embossed car side metal cars and before going over to molded all-
                              > plastic cars. I have a number of these in original boxes (boxes are
                              > short, one-piece with a fold down lid) including Crazy Crystals, Baby
                              > Ruth, Land 'O Lakes and Borden's Fine Cheese. Ray W.
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                              >>
                              >> Roger--that one is definitely a Varney--they only had that and a
                              > boxcar and 50' flat between the wood/card models and the all-plastic
                              > ones as John Allen did the ads for.
                              >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> From: Roger Aultman
                              >> To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                              >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:42 PM
                              >> Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> I once had a Mantua "Crazy Crystals" reefer that was a plastic
                              > body that metal sides fit into, there were tabs on the side that went
                              > into slots in the body and were folded over. Roger Aultman
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> From: Glenn476
                              >> To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                              >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:57 PM
                              >> Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> I think you are mixing two brands. Mantua started with a body
                              > of sheet
                              >> metal stampings and die castings. Printed and embossed card
                              > overlays
                              >> finished the car. They eventually changed to a one-piece
                              > plastic body with
                              >> a die cast floor/frame.
                              >>
                              >> Varney had embossed and lithographed steel sides and ends, with
                              > plastic roof
                              >> and floor--or earlier wood floor with cast frame--boxcar and
                              > reefer only,
                              >> with a flatcar of stamped metal over the frame. They also had a
                              > hook & loop
                              >> coupler for a while--more like the LGB coupler.
                              >>
                              >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> From: "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...>
                              >> To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                              >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM
                              >> Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                              >>
                              >> > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight
                              > car kits
                              >> > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I
                              > have
                              >> > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them
                              > anywhere
                              >> > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua
                              > cars had a
                              >> > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With
                              > these
                              >> > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and
                              > locos unless
                              >> > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had
                              > still the
                              >> > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere,
                              > maybe on ebay?-
                              >> > -John
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >>
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                              Group: vintageHO Message: 4972 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
                              Subject: Re: US Hobbies/KTM O gauge
                              Denny--I have a fairly complete set of the US Hobbies newsletters, as well
                              as some of the Max Gray ones. I'm going out to "The Basement" to look up
                              some other things, will see what I have--you're welcome to borrow them for
                              your project.2 or 3 binders, as I recall. Glenn
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Denny Anspach" <danspach@...>
                              To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:42 AM
                              Subject: [vintageHO] US Hobbies/KTM O gauge


                              > Does there exist anywhere a compilation or index of the prolific O
                              > gauge brass locomotive that US Hobbies imported under its name for
                              > so many years in the '70s and '80s? John Glaab's Brown Book includes
                              > only HO. The California State Railroad Museum is undergoing an
                              > extensive cataloguing of its large toy and scale model collections,
                              > and the scale O gauge is shaping up to be one of the harder nuts.
                              >
                              > Denny
                              > --
                              > Denny S. Anspach, MD
                              > Sacramento
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              Group: vintageHO Message: 4973 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
                              Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                              The Varney H&L coupler came out in the HO Train Set" era in the latter part
                              of the fifties--this is the period in which I , a teen-ager at the time, was
                              getting disgusted with the direction HO was taking and made the switch to O
                              Scale. Almost all the HO lines were pandering to the train-set market. gj
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: <DLeistikow@...>
                              To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:47 AM
                              Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua Memories


                              > TWIMC: I must jump in here as, I do not recall VARNEY having hoop and
                              > loop couplers.
                              >
                              > I got into HO trains back in 1940 and have acccumulated quite a large
                              > inventory of VARNEY production since that time. The oldest catalog that
                              > I have is from 1941. The oldest coupler that I have run across, is the
                              > simulated dummy knuckle coupler, done in a round shape with a vertical
                              > cast on bead at the end of the supposed knuckle, for extra strength.
                              >
                              > I am not aware of any production of a hook and loop (Mantua) style
                              > coupler produced or included by VARNEY in their kits, at any time. As I
                              > recall, the couplers supplied during WW 2, were of knuckle design,
                              > improved in detail and cast in Tenite (plastic). A simple shaft was
                              > behind the coupler head with a hole for pinning same to the wooden car
                              > floor. Other hardware, such as end sills, air brake cylinders, triple
                              > valves, wheels and reefer platforms with hatches, were also cast in
                              > Tenite at that time.
                              >
                              > Wartime restrictions against metal usage for non essential purposes,
                              > required a priority permit to obtain such metals as axles seemed to
                              > remain available. All else was wood, paper or plastic.
                              >
                              > I have a three ring binder, full of VARNEY reprints, including catalogs
                              > and magazine advertisements. Nothing there suggests that VARNEY ever
                              > used hook and loop couplers. If they did, I suspect that it would have
                              > been before WW 2 and should be specifically documented on this list.
                              >
                              > Anyone?
                              >
                              > Don L.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              Group: vintageHO Message: 4974 From: Glenn476 Date: 1/30/2008
                              Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                              OK--that's about the timeframe I was thinking about.  gj
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:01 AM
                              Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua Memories

                              I tried the Varney autos in the mmid 50's  for awhile, switching from Mantua, they seemed to have little advantage.  Next were the X2F which I tried to use untill KD devolped the MageMatics.  I thought   there was a unopened package around but could not find it, or a add in a magazine.  Attached is a  scan from the RMC "Dispatchers Report" December 1954 that mentions the Varney auto.
                              Roger Aultman
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:47 AM
                              Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua Memories

                              TWIMC: I must jump in here as, I do not recall VARNEY having hoop and
                              loop couplers.

                              I got into HO trains back in 1940 and have acccumulated quite a large
                              inventory of VARNEY production since that time. The oldest catalog that
                              I have is from 1941. The oldest coupler that I have run across, is the
                              simulated dummy knuckle coupler, done in a round shape with a vertical
                              cast on bead at the end of the supposed knuckle, for extra strength.

                              I am not aware of any production of a hook and loop (Mantua) style
                              coupler produced or included by VARNEY in their kits, at any time. As I
                              recall, the couplers supplied during WW 2, were of knuckle design,
                              improved in detail and cast in Tenite (plastic). A simple shaft was
                              behind the coupler head with a hole for pinning same to the wooden car
                              floor. Other hardware, such as end sills, air brake cylinders, triple
                              valves, wheels and reefer platforms with hatches, were also cast in
                              Tenite at that time.

                              Wartime restrictions against metal usage for non essential purposes,
                              required a priority permit to obtain such metals as axles seemed to
                              remain available. All else was wood, paper or plastic.

                              I have a three ring binder, full of VARNEY reprints, including catalogs
                              and magazine advertisements. Nothing there suggests that VARNEY ever
                              used hook and loop couplers. If they did, I suspect that it would have
                              been before WW 2 and should be specifically documented on this list.

                              Anyone?

                              Don L.
                              Group: vintageHO Message: 4975 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
                              Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                              You're talking about Roger's Crazy Crystal photo looking like it has
                              a plastic roof with molded hatches? It should look like plastic --
                              its not a Varney, but a Mantua.

                              Okay, very interesting you mention that the Varney H&L couplers came
                              along when they were offering their train sets, which would be
                              between 1954 and 1969, with many of them starting on the market from
                              1957-58 on up. This would have the H&L couplers on the plastic cars,
                              but I couldn't pinpoint just when. My 1966 catalog shows just the
                              horn-hook couplers which were being pushed back then.

                              I don't collect plastic cars or sets, although I have a smattering of
                              of some Varney, Athearn and T-M plastic that I've somehow gathered
                              (no H&L couplers on them though. so I've never noticed those couplers
                              ever having been on those cars. I have seen some pics of Varney
                              plastic hoppers with the H&L's, however, but just thought they were
                              Mantua couplers. As I said earlier, I bought new pre-War kits from
                              hobby shops way back with H&L couplers but there's always the
                              possibility that they were substituted (I didn't see Gordon actually
                              put them in the box, lol). Glad you pointed that out about the train
                              sets, at least it narrows that down.

                              With the Mantua metal to plastic transition, okay I guess you missed
                              that part with the metal sides on plastic bodies. Next to impossible
                              to be up on everything. They did carry those cast flats for quite a
                              while though, like you said. Ray


                              --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > I'll have to dig out the MR's from 1938-39 and compare.
                              >
                              > As to Varney--that photo looks like a plastic roof with the hatches
                              molded
                              > in. I don't know too much about the pre-war Varney, other than it
                              was the
                              > traditional wood and card style kits. The Varney H&L coupler I
                              recall came
                              > along in the Train Set Era. It was made of stamped steel.,blued,
                              and looked
                              > very much like the modern LGB coupler.
                              >
                              > From what I have dug out, the Mantua cars progressed from the metal
                              with
                              > card side versions (I am not familiar with the earlier ones) with
                              the
                              > exception that the cabooses were similar to the open platform
                              passenger
                              > cars, all stamped and cast metal. The last freight car in that
                              line, that I
                              > consider to be the transition to the "Modern" line, was the flat
                              car--all
                              > die cast metal. This led to the cast floor/frame used in the
                              plastic bodied
                              > cars later called the "Heavies"--the boxcar, reefer, and gondola
                              were the
                              > direct descendants. gj



                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                              > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:55 AM
                              > Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua Memories
                              >
                              >
                              > > Hi Glenn, Very close, on the Mantua, although I regret in having
                              to
                              > > say you appear to be mistaken on Varney's construction of their
                              > > lithographed steel boxcars and reefers. Yes, Varney did use their
                              > > type of hook & loop couplers for a while.
                              > >
                              > > Although Mantua started in the modeling business in 1926, the
                              > > earliest catalogs I have of theirs is 1938. This catalog carries
                              > > only three freight car models (all factory built) and one kit in
                              > > their complete line of H0 -- none having the printed and embossed
                              > > card overlays yet. These cars included:
                              > >
                              > > Caboose -- 4-Wheel Bobber - Factory painted and lettered Reading,
                              and
                              > > numbered 90274. Price $4.25
                              > >
                              > > Gondola (40') High Side -- Factory painted and lettered Lehigh
                              > > Valley, and numbered 3140. Price $3.00
                              > >
                              > > Flat Car (40') Factory painted and lettered T & P (Texas &
                              Pacific)
                              > > and numbered (number unknown). $Price $2.75
                              > >
                              > > Caboose -- 4-Wheel Bobber (Reading Style) -- Kit (same as above
                              > > caboose. Price $2.00
                              > >
                              > > Note: ALL cars were made of pressed steel and brass, welded and
                              > > soldered, and included their hook and loop coupler. Mantua's
                              > > embossed card overlays to be used on their box cars, reefers, tank
                              > > cars, hoppers and gondolas became available after this period, but
                              > > before the War; both my 1941 and '42 catalogs carry them. The
                              flat
                              > > car by this time was cast metal (and they also brought out the 8-
                              > > wheel caboose). The old time passenger cars also came out then.
                              > >
                              > > With Varney, their lithographed steel boxcars and reefers always
                              had
                              > > a factory painted steel roof. It was the floor only that changed
                              > > first from wood to cast metal (in 1952), and then from cast metal
                              to
                              > > molded plastic (in 1954). They used the molded plastic dummy
                              knuckle
                              > > couplers during the metal car period. Varney's hook & loop
                              coupler
                              > > was used pre-War with their embossed Strathmore board sided cars.
                              > > Best, Ray W.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@> wrote:
                              > >>
                              > >> I think you are mixing two brands. Mantua started with a body of
                              > > sheet
                              > >> metal stampings and die castings. Printed and embossed card
                              > > overlays
                              > >> finished the car. They eventually changed to a one-piece plastic
                              > > body with
                              > >> a die cast floor/frame.
                              > >>
                              > >> Varney had embossed and lithographed steel sides and ends, with
                              > > plastic roof
                              > >> and floor--or earlier wood floor with cast frame--boxcar and
                              reefer
                              > > only,
                              > >> with a flatcar of stamped metal over the frame. They also had a
                              > > hook & loop
                              > >> coupler for a while--more like the LGB coupler.
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              > >> From: "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@>
                              > >> To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                              > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM
                              > >> Subject: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >> > Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car
                              > > kits
                              > >> > made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I
                              have
                              > >> > looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them
                              > > anywhere
                              > >> > today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars
                              > > had a
                              > >> > unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With
                              these
                              > >> > couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos
                              > > unless
                              > >> > you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had
                              > > still the
                              > >> > original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe
                              on
                              > > ebay?-
                              > >> > -John
                              > >> >
                              > >> >
                              > >> >
                              > >> >
                              > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              > >> >
                              > >> >
                              > >> >
                              > >> >
                              > >>
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              >
                              Group: vintageHO Message: 4976 From: Don Dellmann Date: 1/30/2008
                              Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                              It was a bit tongue in cheek. It's just funny that every original Mantua
                              box car I come accross is the CN one!

                              I do have a couple each of the reefers, gondolas and tanks, and a handful of
                              the diecast flats too.

                              Don

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                              To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:40 PM
                              Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua Memories


                              > Don, I don't know if you're serious in asking if Mantua offered any
                              > other road names in there paper-sided metal box car line, or if
                              > you're just trying to twist my arm to continue kit lists (LOL), but
                              > yes, they had a fair selection of 18 different box cars (in addition
                              > to 20 reefers, 6 hoppers, 6 gondolas and 12 tank cars -- and 1 undec
                              > flat), and a 4-wheel and 8-wheel caboose as well. Ray
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Don Dellmann" <don.dellmann@...>
                              > wrote:
                              >>
                              >> Re: [vintageHO] Mantua MemoriesI don't know what it is about the
                              > Canadian National sides on Mantua. I have seen and own TWO Mantua
                              > original boxcars, and BOTH were the CN (one though the sides were so
                              > damaged I couldn't save them and had to do a repaint). Now you have
                              > ONE and it's a CN! Did they offer any other road names? :-)
                              >>
                              >> Don
                              >>
                              >> don.dellmann@...
                              >> http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann
                              >> Owner-Moderator
                              >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics
                              >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO
                              >> Co-owner
                              >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCENERY
                              >>
                              >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> From: Louis Greiff
                              >> To: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com
                              >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:50 PM
                              >> Subject: Re: [vintageHO] Mantua Memories
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> Hi John,
                              >>
                              >> These cars do show up at train meets from time to time. I
                              > found one last Sunday at a very small TTOS (tinplate) train meet in
                              > the Buffalo, NY area. It's an all-metal boxcar with paper sides.
                              > The 1950s customer bought the generic car and then chose the paper
                              > sides from the selection available at the hobby shop. Mine is
                              > Canadian National with the green maple leaf logo. The car is
                              > perfect, but the paper sides have bowed slightly from humidity. Try
                              > searching for Mantua Metal on ebay and see what comes up.
                              >> Happy hunting.
                              >>
                              >>
                              > Lou Greiff
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> On 1/29/08 4:46 PM, "wildwoodjct" <johnbarth@...> wrote:
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> Remember the Mantua kits from the 1950s? These were freight car
                              > kits
                              >> made of plastic and metal. The reefer cars had metal sides. I
                              > have
                              >> looked for these kits at train shows but have never seen them
                              > anywhere
                              >> today. Back then the Mantua kits were very common. Mantua cars
                              > had a
                              >> unique loop coupler which was attached to the trucks. With
                              > these
                              >> couplers of course you could only operate Mantua cars and locos
                              > unless
                              >> you changed the couplers which I did. But today I wish I had
                              > still the
                              >> original couplers. Has anybody seen these kits anywhere, maybe
                              > on ebay?-
                              >> -John
                              >>
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              Group: vintageHO Message: 4977 From: DLeistikow@webtv.net Date: 1/30/2008
                              Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                              Ray and list: Mantua was a strong producer of HO kits, very popular at
                              that pre war time. Never-the-less, I still doubt that VARNEY produced
                              the hook and loop style coupler. How or why they appeared in VARNEY
                              kits, is the question.

                              Is it possible that some Hobby Shops might have supplied Mantua couplers
                              to customers who were known to use, or asked for, the Mantua H&L
                              couplers. To my thinking, it just does not seem likely that VARNEY
                              would supply the H&L style couplers direct from their factory.

                              From what I have read about Gordon Varney; the business was started in
                              Hollywood, California and migrated to Chicago, Illinois sometime before
                              WW2. I believe that I do have a kit box proclaiming just that. During
                              the War, VARNEY fielded a line of dry kits identified as Mainline or
                              Main Line. Bare bones kits at a fraction of the cost of pre war
                              production. Real El Cheapo but, with lack of quality production, became
                              a means to an end. VARNEY was ingaged in wartime production of
                              materials necessary for the Military.

                              Not only did I purchase 'new' kits but, I did pursue second hand cars
                              from many sources. As I have maintained car storage in original boxes,
                              I actually cut cardboard and constructed boxes for those cars, which
                              then easily stacked on shelving. Of course, I did mark these box ends
                              with appropriate identification. In addition, I do maintain file cards
                              on each car that is constructed. Frankly, I still have a few kits in
                              original boxes that have yet to be put together.

                              Regretably, my first effort to construct a car from a kit was; Varney's
                              MILW Bay Window Caboose that they produced in aluminum foil. Wrong way
                              to start! My next effort was the R-15 MILW Wood Reefer, a paper and
                              wood kit, with trucks and couplers. Found a few more on 2nd hand sales.
                              This one is a gem, as I sealed it with varnish. Still looks good as
                              new.

                              'Nuff for now......

                              Don L.
                              Group: vintageHO Message: 4978 From: erieberk Date: 1/30/2008
                              Subject: Re: Mantua Memories
                              Okay, that clears that up; I thought you might have meant that but
                              wasn't sure. Still, Varney didn't use that style body with a one-
                              piece molded roof ends & floor and metal side to be installed with
                              tabs. This was strickly a Mantua innovation.

                              Really wasn't much of a time difference between the time Varney got
                              into freight cars post-War and the time Mantua got into post-War
                              freight cars. Varney's first post_war catalog (including freight
                              cars) was December 1947 and Mantua's first post-War catalog came out
                              earlier that same year. Yes, Varney did get the jump on plastic car
                              production with their some of their hoppers in 1950, some tankers in
                              1951 and some gons in '52. Even with some of their flat cars and
                              cattle cars in 1953, they beat Mantua which was still marketing their
                              metal (paper-sided) cars in that year. On the other hand though,
                              Athearn was still producing their metal cars and releasing new ones
                              up until then, even though they started making a few plastic cars in
                              1950-51. By that it would seem to look like the metal cars were
                              still heavily in demand, and MDC was still busy producing their cast-
                              sided kits.

                              Nice collection of MR's you have there. They're so worth what you
                              might have to pay for the issues to complete them, just in the
                              advertisement info alone. I'm still missing 13 issues from the
                              1930's, so we're close. Mainly need 1937 as all I have there is Jan.
                              and Mar., then I'm missing Jan., Oct. and Nov. of 1938 Ray


                              --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > by "the reefer" I meant generically a series of paint schemes on
                              that style
                              > body, as the boxcar had a series of road names. The main thing was
                              that
                              > they were late getting into the freight cars in the post war period
                              > (Probably because they were concentrating on getting the steam
                              locomotive
                              > line back in production, and developing the diesels.) But I think
                              that
                              > Gordon Varney saw the future and proceeded to the all-plastic line
                              of
                              > freight cars.
                              >
                              > I'll get out to "the Basement" after while and look up the ads and
                              reviews.
                              > My collection of MR lacks only 15 issues in the thirties to be
                              complete. gj
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "erieberk" <erieberk@...>
                              > To: <vintageHO@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:24 AM
                              > Subject: [vintageHO] Re: Mantua Memories
                              >
                              >
                              > > Glenn, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by Varney "only having
                              > > that (Crazy Crystal reefer), a box car and a 50' flat between the
                              > > wood/card models and the all-plastic ones that John Allen did the
                              ads
                              > > for." I presume you're talking about Varney's metal freight car
                              > > line, and possibly you mean that they did a series of reefers
                              using
                              > > that as their contruction (plastic body w/ metal sides, using
                              tabs)
                              > > between these two times(?), as I seem to gather from this.
                              > >
                              > > If that's the case, please know that Varney did not use this type
                              of
                              > > construction -- that was Mantua's; nor did Varney ever produce a
                              > > Crazy Crystals reefer. Roger's car is definitely a Mantua. They
                              > > produced a small line of billboard reefers (only) after their
                              > > embossed car side metal cars and before going over to molded all-
                              > > plastic cars. I have a number of these in original boxes (boxes
                              are
                              > > short, one-piece with a fold down lid) including Crazy Crystals,
                              Baby
                              > > Ruth, Land 'O Lakes and Borden's Fine Cheese. Ray W.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In vintageHO@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn476" <glenn476@> wrote:
                              > >>
                              > >> Roger--that one is definitely a Varney--they only had that and a
                              > > boxcar and 50' flat between the wood/card models and the all-
                              plastic
                              > > ones as John Allen did the ads for.
                              > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              > >> From: Roger Aultman
                              > >> To: vintageHO@yahoogroup