Messages in S-Trains group. Page 1 of 1.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81096 From: alansherryb Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Memories of Christmas past. Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81097 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: AF 220v Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 81098 From: njma41 Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Wrap for a 336 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 81099 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Memories of Christmas past. Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81100 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: AF 220v Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 81101 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: AF 220v Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 81102 From: snstrains Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 81103 From: Matthew Guy Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81104 From: njma41 Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 81105 From: dockside98 Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81106 From: farmboy_k Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: AF SD70ACe Cdn Cyl Hoppers wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 81107 From: snstrains Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 81108 From: snstrains Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81109 From: George Cohn Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81110 From: whtrainman Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81111 From: richs009 Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81112 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81113 From: EdSauers Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81114 From: richs009 Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81115 From: EdSauers Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81116 From: racin510 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81117 From: richs009 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81118 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81119 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: AF SD70ACe Cdn Cyl Hoppers wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 81120 From: EdSauers Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81121 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81122 From: Carl and Kathy Rudolph Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81123 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81124 From: Bob Moyer Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: American Flyer on TV
Group: S-Trains Message: 81125 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81126 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81127 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81128 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81129 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81130 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81131 From: Polichar Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81132 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/11/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81133 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/11/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81134 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/11/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81135 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81136 From: mleahy68 Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81137 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81138 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81139 From: Tom Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81140 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81141 From: race944t Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81142 From: Ted Walton Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Repair of AF 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 81143 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81144 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81145 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81146 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: Repair of AF 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 81147 From: Brett Schormann Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81148 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81149 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81150 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81151 From: richs009 Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81152 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: led's
Group: S-Trains Message: 81153 From: Mike Leahy Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: Trainminder Program Solved
Group: S-Trains Message: 81154 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81155 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81156 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: Re: led's
Group: S-Trains Message: 81157 From: hhisgauger Date: 1/20/2019
Subject: New Lionel Catalogue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81158 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/20/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81159 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/20/2019
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81160 From: crossing5423 Date: 1/20/2019
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81161 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/20/2019
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81162 From: EdSauers Date: 1/21/2019
Subject: 770 wiring question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81163 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/21/2019
Subject: Re: 770 wiring question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81164 From: EdSauers Date: 1/21/2019
Subject: Re: 770 wiring question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81165 From: alsflyer Date: 1/29/2019
Subject: Passing of the Founder of the Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club
Group: S-Trains Message: 81166 From: mmcconn12 Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemorativ
Group: S-Trains Message: 81167 From: EdSauers Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81168 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81169 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81170 From: EdSauers Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81171 From: Alan Smith Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81172 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: NASG Greeley's Place Contest
Group: S-Trains Message: 81173 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains Message: 81174 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81175 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81176 From: n6ojj Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81177 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81178 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81179 From: Michael Strickland Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81180 From: racin510 Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81181 From: John Keating Date: 2/1/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81182 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Looking for leads on S Helper 35ft semi trailers for s
Group: S-Trains Message: 81183 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Looking for Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 81184 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Open auto carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 81185 From: Edward Davis Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: Open auto carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 81186 From: snstrains Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 81187 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81188 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Back in the day
Group: S-Trains Message: 81189 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81190 From: John Degnan Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 81191 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 81192 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: Back in the day
Group: S-Trains Message: 81193 From: snstrains Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: Re: Back in the day
Group: S-Trains Message: 81194 From: chuck_7612 Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81195 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81196 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: open auto carriers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81197 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: Custom painting?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81198 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: Re: Custom painting?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81199 From: Donald Keil Date: 2/6/2019
Subject: Re: open auto carriers [2 Attachments]
Group: S-Trains Message: 81200 From: poniaj Date: 2/6/2019
Subject: Re: Custom painting?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81201 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/6/2019
Subject: Re: Custom painting?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81202 From: David Date: 2/9/2019
Subject: Concept Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 81203 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/21/2019
Subject: Painting/weathering wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 81204 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/21/2019
Subject: World's Greatest Hobby Show, Novi MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 81205 From: johntech Date: 2/21/2019
Subject: Baldwin engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 81206 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Lionel & MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 81207 From: dphobbies Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Fox Valley Model HR Turnouts Back in Stock
Group: S-Trains Message: 81208 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Lionel & MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 81209 From: scubadoo22 Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: test message
Group: S-Trains Message: 81210 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel & MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 81211 From: JOHN METZGER Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Re: test message
Group: S-Trains Message: 81212 From: Edward Davis Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Re: test message
Group: S-Trains Message: 81213 From: Mark Speichert Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Re: test message
Group: S-Trains Message: 81214 From: Scubadoo22 Date: 2/26/2019
Subject: Re: test message
Group: S-Trains Message: 81215 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/26/2019
Subject: Diesels
Group: S-Trains Message: 81216 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: San Diego S Gaugers' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81217 From: bigsticks1@aol.com Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: Re: San Diego S Gaugers' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81218 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: diesels
Group: S-Trains Message: 81219 From: EdSauers Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81220 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Diesels
Group: S-Trains Message: 81221 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] Diesels
Group: S-Trains Message: 81222 From: poniaj Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81223 From: EdSauers Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81224 From: John Degnan Date: 3/2/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier (one more time)
Group: S-Trains Message: 81225 From: John Degnan Date: 3/2/2019
Subject: Wanted : AF Trains for Disabled Dad's Child
Group: S-Trains Message: 81226 From: allscalerails Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: All Scale Rails Issue #22 2019
Group: S-Trains Message: 81227 From: mmcconn12 Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
Group: S-Trains Message: 81228 From: Douglas Miller Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
Group: S-Trains Message: 81229 From: Mark Speichert Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
Group: S-Trains Message: 81230 From: Michael Date: 3/4/2019
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
Group: S-Trains Message: 81231 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 3/4/2019
Subject: NYC 6 Car Autorack
Group: S-Trains Message: 81232 From: EdSauers Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81233 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81234 From: EdSauers Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81235 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81236 From: EdSauers Date: 3/8/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81237 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/8/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81238 From: EdSauers Date: 3/8/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81239 From: John Degnan Date: 3/16/2019
Subject: WANTED : Pacific Rail Shops KITS
Group: S-Trains Message: 81240 From: mmcconn12 Date: 3/20/2019
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
Group: S-Trains Message: 81241 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/25/2019
Subject: Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81242 From: n6ojj Date: 3/25/2019
Subject: Re: Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81243 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/25/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81244 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/25/2019
Subject: Re: Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81245 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 3/25/2019
Subject: Re: Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81246 From: bobgarm Date: 3/26/2019
Subject: SHS/MTH S-Trax #3 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 81247 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/26/2019
Subject: York Show----We've Moved !
Group: S-Trains Message: 81248 From: Lee Brown Date: 3/27/2019
Subject: Re: Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81249 From: dphobbies Date: 3/27/2019
Subject: Des Plaines Hobbies Freight Car 40% Off Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81250 From: Fred Alles Date: 3/29/2019
Subject: Change of email address
Group: S-Trains Message: 81251 From: carl4flyer Date: 3/29/2019
Subject: Re: Change of email address
Group: S-Trains Message: 81252 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 4/2/2019
Subject: Lionel Amer Flyer Ringling Bros. searchlight car
Group: S-Trains Message: 81253 From: bobville Date: 4/2/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Amer Flyer Ringling Bros. searchlight car
Group: S-Trains Message: 81254 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/4/2019
Subject: New "American Flyer" by Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 81255 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/4/2019
Subject: Re: New "American Flyer" by Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 81256 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/7/2019
Subject: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81257 From: Edward Davis Date: 4/7/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81258 From: americanflyer Date: 4/8/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81259 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/8/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81260 From: Howin Date: 4/8/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81261 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/9/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81262 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/15/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81263 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/15/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81264 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Snow Blower
Group: S-Trains Message: 81265 From: Thomas Westhelle Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: Snow Blower
Group: S-Trains Message: 81266 From: nsupbnsf@juno.com Date: 4/24/2019
Subject: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81267 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 4/24/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81268 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/24/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81269 From: Alan Smith Date: 4/24/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81270 From: snstrains Date: 4/24/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81271 From: Howin Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81272 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81273 From: racin510 Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81274 From: David Dewey Date: 4/27/2019
Subject: Mail car activation
Group: S-Trains Message: 81275 From: dphobbies Date: 4/27/2019
Subject: Tank and Hopper Car Sale Ending Soon
Group: S-Trains Message: 81276 From: Alan C. Udy Date: 4/27/2019
Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81277 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 4/27/2019
Subject: S-'n-S Trains closure
Group: S-Trains Message: 81278 From: nsupbnsf@juno.com Date: 4/28/2019
Subject: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81279 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/28/2019
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closure
Group: S-Trains Message: 81280 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/29/2019
Subject: SnS Trains closing
Group: S-Trains Message: 81281 From: John Davis Date: 4/29/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81282 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81283 From: racin510 Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81284 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81285 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81286 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81287 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81288 From: mmcconn12 Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers 30th Anniversary car update
Group: S-Trains Message: 81289 From: pamgb1963 Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: 27mm gauge track.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81290 From: racin510 Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81291 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Re: 27mm gauge track.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81292 From: snstrains Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Re: 27mm gauge track.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81294 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/6/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81295 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/6/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81296 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/7/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81297 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/14/2019
Subject: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81298 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/14/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81299 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/14/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81300 From: JAMES ENSIGN Date: 5/15/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81301 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/15/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81302 From: rick gough Date: 5/15/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81303 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/16/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81304 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/16/2019
Subject: Berkshire power pickup
Group: S-Trains Message: 81305 From: Howin Date: 5/16/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81306 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/16/2019
Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
Group: S-Trains Message: 81307 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
Group: S-Trains Message: 81308 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
Group: S-Trains Message: 81309 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Flyer Chief Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81310 From: Tom Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Chief Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81311 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Chief Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81312 From: Tom Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Chief Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81313 From: mleahy68 Date: 5/19/2019
Subject: Classic Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 81314 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/19/2019
Subject: Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81315 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/19/2019
Subject: Re: Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81316 From: poniaj Date: 5/19/2019
Subject: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81317 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81318 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81319 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81320 From: Tom Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81321 From: poniaj Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81322 From: Tom Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81323 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81324 From: Douglas Miller Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81325 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: More Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81326 From: poniaj Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81327 From: Tom Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81328 From: poniaj Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: More Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81329 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81330 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains Message: 81331 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha [3 Attachments]
Group: S-Trains Message: 81332 From: sgaugian Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
Group: S-Trains Message: 81333 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81334 From: sgaugian Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81335 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81336 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81337 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81338 From: hhisgauger Date: 5/27/2019
Subject: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 81339 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/28/2019
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Digest Number 7826
Group: S-Trains Message: 81340 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/30/2019
Subject: Re: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 81341 From: hhisgauger Date: 5/31/2019
Subject: Re: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 81342 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/31/2019
Subject: Re: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 81343 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/11/2019
Subject: Re: 751 Plunger
Group: S-Trains Message: 81344 From: Kyle Date: 6/17/2019
Subject: Re: AM GG1 marking removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81345 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 6/18/2019
Subject: Re: AM GG1 marking removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81346 From: Tom Hawley Date: 6/19/2019
Subject: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81347 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/19/2019
Subject: Re: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81348 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 6/20/2019
Subject: Re: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81349 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/20/2019
Subject: Re: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81350 From: Ken Christiansen Date: 6/20/2019
Subject: Re: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81351 From: Kyle Date: 6/20/2019
Subject: Re: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81352 From: dockside98 Date: 6/21/2019
Subject: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 81353 From: attic02 Date: 6/21/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 81354 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 6/21/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 81355 From: Edward Davis Date: 6/22/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 81356 From: racin510 Date: 6/22/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 81357 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 6/28/2019
Subject: Central Coast Railroad Festival (Calif.) - Show Your Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 81358 From: attic02 Date: 6/28/2019
Subject: CHEAP BIG KW 190 WATT TRANSFORMER BY LIONEL 1950'S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81359 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 7/6/2019
Subject: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81360 From: tennsgauge Date: 7/6/2019
Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81361 From: snstrains Date: 7/6/2019
Subject: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81362 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 7/6/2019
Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81363 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81364 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81365 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81366 From: Edward Davis Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81367 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: Re: B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81368 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 7/8/2019
Subject: Re: B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81369 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/10/2019
Subject: Spiral Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81370 From: gartrain404 Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Re: Spiral Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81371 From: johntech Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Re: Spiral Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81372 From: Ron Petersen Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Re: Spiral Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81373 From: Fred Alles Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Was there a 310 SIT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81374 From: Bruce DeGailler Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Re: Was there a 310 SIT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81375 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Re: Was there a 310 SIT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81376 From: carl4flyer Date: 7/13/2019
Subject: FW: Big Boy "surges"
Group: S-Trains Message: 81377 From: carl4flyer Date: 7/13/2019
Subject: Re: FW: Big Boy "surges"
Group: S-Trains Message: 81378 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: SHS caboose wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 81379 From: Batman Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: SHS caboose wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 81380 From: wyoaf Date: 7/22/2019
Subject: Big Boy Surges
Group: S-Trains Message: 81381 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/22/2019
Subject: Re: Big Boy Surges
Group: S-Trains Message: 81382 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/22/2019
Subject: Re: Big Boy Surges
Group: S-Trains Message: 81383 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Train Kite
Group: S-Trains Message: 81384 From: daleminard Date: 8/5/2019
Subject: Looking for copies to borrow of the S/SN3 Modeling Guide Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 81385 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/7/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 81386 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 8/7/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 81387 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 81388 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: BIG BOY & TRACK?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81389 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: BIG BOY & TRACK?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81390 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: BIG BOY & TRACK?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81391 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 81392 From: snstrains Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: BIG BOY & TRACK?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81393 From: rxman46321 Date: 8/11/2019
Subject: Blatant ad. - Turntable
Group: S-Trains Message: 81394 From: EdSauers Date: 8/15/2019
Subject: For Sale SHS Southern RR 2-8-0 Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81395 From: dockside98 Date: 8/15/2019
Subject: For Sale - SHS Southern RR Hi-Rail 2-8-0 with DCC Sounds AF Compatib
Group: S-Trains Message: 81396 From: dockside98 Date: 8/15/2019
Subject: American Models DC Hi-Rail FP7 Chassis for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81397 From: dockside98 Date: 8/15/2019
Subject: Re: For Sale - SHS Southern RR Hi-Rail 2-8-0 with DCC Sounds AF Comp
Group: S-Trains Message: 81398 From: rxman46321 Date: 8/17/2019
Subject: For Sale - Hi rail diesel wheelsets
Group: S-Trains Message: 81399 From: dockside98 Date: 8/22/2019
Subject: For Sale * AF Track 50 Curve Sections
Group: S-Trains Message: 81400 From: dockside98 Date: 8/22/2019
Subject: For Sale * AM Diesel HI-Rail Wheelsets with "D" bearings
Group: S-Trains Message: 81401 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81402 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81403 From: herbw202 Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81404 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81405 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81406 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81407 From: sgaugian Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81408 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/26/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81409 From: fredlubb Date: 8/26/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81410 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/26/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81411 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/26/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81412 From: David Winslow (Dad) Date: 8/27/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81413 From: Ray Puls Date: 8/27/2019
Subject: Dead rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81414 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/27/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81415 From: dphobbies Date: 8/29/2019
Subject: New Air, MU, Signal Hoses from Des Plaines Hobbies
Group: S-Trains Message: 81416 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/29/2019
Subject: Re: New Air, MU, Signal Hoses from Des Plaines Hobbies
Group: S-Trains Message: 81417 From: dphobbies Date: 8/30/2019
Subject: Re: New Air, MU, Signal Hoses from Des Plaines Hobbies
Group: S-Trains Message: 81418 From: allscalerails Date: 9/1/2019
Subject: All Scale Rails Issue #23 2019
Group: S-Trains Message: 81419 From: dphobbies Date: 9/2/2019
Subject: LABOR DAY FLASH SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 81420 From: dockside98 Date: 9/5/2019
Subject: Looking for a few items
Group: S-Trains Message: 81421 From: Edward Davis Date: 9/6/2019
Subject: Re: Looking for a few items
Group: S-Trains Message: 81422 From: dockside98 Date: 9/7/2019
Subject: For Sale Used original Soundtraxx Alco 827104 (Alco 244) and Soundtr
Group: S-Trains Message: 81423 From: attic02 Date: 9/12/2019
Subject: BNSF 2020 CATALOG AND THEIR TRAIN LAYOUT.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81424 From: Tony Cynor Date: 9/15/2019
Subject: Re: BNSF 2020 CATALOG AND THEIR TRAIN LAYOUT.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81425 From: dockside98 Date: 9/15/2019
Subject: Need help identifing sound board
Group: S-Trains Message: 81426 From: dockside98 Date: 9/15/2019
Subject: Re: For Sale Used original Soundtraxx Alco 827104 (Alco 244) and Sou
Group: S-Trains Message: 81427 From: dockside98 Date: 9/16/2019
Subject: Looking for a AM F7B chassis
Group: S-Trains Message: 81428 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/17/2019
Subject: Ted Hamler is Missing
Group: S-Trains Message: 81429 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/17/2019
Subject: Re: Ted Hamler is Missing
Group: S-Trains Message: 81430 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/17/2019
Subject: Re: Ted Hamler is Missing
Group: S-Trains Message: 81431 From: Howin Date: 9/19/2019
Subject: OPEN HOUSE - York Week at TTU Hanover
Group: S-Trains Message: 81432 From: hhisgauger Date: 9/22/2019
Subject: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81433 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81434 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81435 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81436 From: Thomas Kaufman Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81437 From: Tom Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81438 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81439 From: Stephen Terni Date: 9/24/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81440 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/24/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81441 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 9/24/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81443 From: Howin Date: 10/1/2019
Subject: OPEN HOUSE - York Week Date Corrected WEDNESDAY - October 16, 2019
Group: S-Trains Message: 81444 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 10/5/2019
Subject: Loss of Ron Sebastion
Group: S-Trains Message: 81445 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/12/2019
Subject: S Scale layout for sale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81446 From: Edward Musil Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81447 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81448 From: George Cohn Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81449 From: George Cohn Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81450 From: John Degnan Date: 10/17/2019
Subject: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81451 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81452 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81453 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81454 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81455 From: poniaj Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81456 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81457 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81458 From: Stan Stokrocki Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81459 From: sp4149 Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81460 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81461 From: attic02 Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81462 From: poniaj Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81463 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81464 From: johntech Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81465 From: Rick Date: 10/19/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81466 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/19/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81467 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/19/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81468 From: Edward Davis Date: 10/20/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81469 From: CHARLES HANCOCK Date: 10/23/2019
Subject: New group
Group: S-Trains Message: 81470 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/23/2019
Subject: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81471 From: Edward Davis Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: Re: New group
Group: S-Trains Message: 81472 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: Re: New group
Group: S-Trains Message: 81473 From: race944t Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: New Group e-mail summary
Group: S-Trains Message: 81474 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: Re: New group
Group: S-Trains Message: 81475 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary
Group: S-Trains Message: 81476 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary
Group: S-Trains Message: 81477 From: race944t Date: 10/25/2019
Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary
Group: S-Trains Message: 81478 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/25/2019
Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary
Group: S-Trains Message: 81479 From: Batman Date: 10/29/2019
Subject: Pine Canyon Models Industry Kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 81480 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/19/2019
Subject: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81481 From: Carl and Kathy Rudolph Date: 11/19/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81482 From: Dennis Back Date: 11/19/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81483 From: Edward Davis Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81484 From: attic02 Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81485 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81486 From: Richard Mingo Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81487 From: tommcindc Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81488 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81489 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81490 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81491 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81492 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Fans-Our S-trains archives are disappearin
Group: S-Trains Message: 81493 From: Ralph Kestler Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Still on site
Group: S-Trains Message: 81494 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81495 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81496 From: Bob Hannon Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81497 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81498 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81499 From: snstrains Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81500 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81501 From: rick.flaherty Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81502 From: John Degnan Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: WANTED : SHS 01261 NW2 unlettered black
Group: S-Trains Message: 81503 From: George Cohn Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Flyerville Windows
Group: S-Trains Message: 81504 From: Rick Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: Flyerville Windows
Group: S-Trains Message: 81505 From: Charles Hancock Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81506 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81507 From: Edward Davis Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: Re: Flyerville Windows
Group: S-Trains Message: 81508 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81509 From: EdSauers Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81510 From: chuck_7612 Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81511 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: SHS steamers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81512 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SHS steamers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81513 From: Fred Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81514 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SHS steamers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81515 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81516 From: afjeff_56 Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81517 From: tennsgauger Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans (WHY ARE WE GETTING THESE MESSAGES?)
Group: S-Trains Message: 81518 From: EdSauers Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81519 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81520 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81521 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81522 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans (WHY ARE WE GETTING THESE MESSAGES?)
Group: S-Trains Message: 81523 From: Bob Moyer Date: 12/5/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81524 From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net Date: 12/5/2019
Subject: flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 81525 From: race944t Date: 12/6/2019
Subject: Re: Digest Number 7889
Group: S-Trains Message: 81526 From: snstrains Date: 12/6/2019
Subject: Re: flyer


Group: S-Trains Message: 81096 From: alansherryb Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Memories of Christmas past. Question
Hello Friends,

Sorry for the late post on this topic, but we have been traveling over the holidays, and I have not been keeping up on these messages.

I have posted the story of my first Christmas trains on this group a couple of times in the past, but the train I always wanted and never got as a kid was the Gilbert American Flyer Silver Flash Alco passenger set. That A-B unit streamliner was my holy grail growing up even though my Dad had bought the Comet set early on.

I never got one “back in the day,” and never found a Gilbert version cheap enough and in good enough condition when I returned to toy trains in the 1970s, so in the mid-1990s, I bought a mint and factory sealed in the box, Lionel AF Silver Flash set at a TCA convention. Not having a permanent layout, I stored it until I “rediscovered” it over a decade later. It then made its debut on the S gauge loops at the Christmas open house at our TCA/TTOS clubhouse. Still my favorite streamliner!

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 81097 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: AF 220v Transformer

I’ve had an inquiry from someone who is moving to a country with a 220-volt system, and is looking for one of those 220v transformers that Gilbert made for export.

Anyone have a good one for sale, or have any leads?

 

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

 
Group: S-Trains Message: 81098 From: njma41 Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Wrap for a 336 Northern

I have been trying to buy a Wrap for my 336 Northern, and I haven't been able to find one Reasonable  Nick

Group: S-Trains Message: 81099 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Memories of Christmas past. Question
Alan,
  Not a problem.  I posted this question simultaneously on three lists, two were groups.io list and this lone YahooGroups list.
This YG list posted my question three days after the groups.io lists so I can't really chastise any slow replies given
how slow YG was in posting my original question. All but two of the lists I subscribe have left YG in the last year.  
The lists on YG appear more stable the last few months, but groups.io was such a big improvement that I haven't been
paying much attention to little issues like posting messages or pics on a YG list.  

  Since my Christmas Train memory was about an  AF 4-4-2 set I got for Christmas over 60 years ago, I was disappointed when it didn't immediately post
on the YG list.  It was gratifying to see that others shared my early AF under the tree memories. even if delayed by the YG response.
I did eventually get a well used Santa  Fe PA/A set although now I might trade it in on an American Models set...

ken clark


-----Original Message-----
From: alansherry@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2019 12:06 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Memories of Christmas past. Question

 
Hello Friends,

Sorry for the late post on this topic, but we have been traveling over the holidays, and I have not been keeping up on these messages.

I have posted the story of my first Christmas trains on this group a couple of times in the past, but the train I always wanted and never got as a kid was the Gilbert American Flyer Silver Flash Alco passenger set. That A-B unit streamliner was my holy grail growing up even though my Dad had bought the Comet set early on.

I never got one “back in the day,” and never found a Gilbert version cheap enough and in good enough condition when I returned to toy trains in the 1970s, so in the mid-1990s, I bought a mint and factory sealed in the box, Lionel AF Silver Flash set at a TCA convention. Not having a permanent layout, I stored it until I “rediscovered” it over a decade later. It then made its debut on the S gauge loops at the Christmas open house at our TCA/TTOS clubhouse. Still my favorite streamliner!

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 81100 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: AF 220v Transformer

Probably a lot more convenient and efficient to just by one of the voltage converters for Europe.

I used to travel with one whenever I was making the Euro. trips for Oracle.

Better and cheaper now than then, from Amazon.

https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_5_8?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=voltage+converter+220+to+110&sprefix=voltage+%2Caps%2C271&crid=1EG8JMKYC57M5

On 1/1/2019 8:22 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:
 

I’ve had an inquiry from someone who is moving to a country with a 220-volt system, and is looking for one of those 220v transformers that Gilbert made for export.

Anyone have a good one for sale, or have any leads?

 

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

 

-- 
Carey Probst
Chief MicroFerroEquinologist
Pennsyltucky RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 81101 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: AF 220v Transformer
Go to walmart. By the luggage they carry converters and in the electronics dept. 


On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 4:43 PM, Carey Probst s-scale@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Probably a lot more convenient and efficient to just by one of the voltage converters for Europe.

I used to travel with one whenever I was making the Euro. trips for Oracle.

Better and cheaper now than then, from Amazon.

https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_5_8?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=voltage+converter+220+to+110&sprefix=voltage+%2Caps%2C271&crid=1EG8JMKYC57M5

On 1/1/2019 8:22 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:
 

I’ve had an inquiry from someone who is moving to a country with a 220-volt system, and is looking for one of those 220v transformers that Gilbert made for export.

Anyone have a good one for sale, or have any leads?

 

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

 

--
Carey Probst
Chief MicroFerroEquinologist
Pennsyltucky RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 81102 From: snstrains Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
What do you consider "reasonable"?

Steve Blackburn
Boise, Id.
In a message dated 1/2/2019 2:43:31 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

 

I have been trying to buy a Wrap for my 336 Northern, and I haven't been able to find one Reasonable  Nick
Group: S-Trains Message: 81103 From: Matthew Guy Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
To:
No Reply <notify-dg-S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Can anyone tell me how to use the Talking Station with the new S gauge Lionel Fastrack?  With CHIEF remote control the uses constant voltage in track?

Sent from my iPhone
Subject:
Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 7758
From:
"tiferes@..." <tiferes@...>
Date:
12/4/2018, 2:00 AM
Group: S-Trains Message: 81104 From: njma41 Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
Forty to Sixty Dollars Max
Group: S-Trains Message: 81105 From: dockside98 Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color

Group,

I am looking for a black 771 stock yard controller in good condition.

Please contact me off list at edsauers@...   edsauers  at  gmail  dot  com


Thanks


Ed Sauers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81106 From: farmboy_k Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: AF SD70ACe Cdn Cyl Hoppers wanted

Have been part of this group for a long time but not int the trains much till now. I am working on an ag farm diorama of a near by grain terminal on a CN line and I am looking for a SD70ACe EMD demo and some Canadian decorated cylindrical hoppers. If anyone has any leads to new ones or to someone looking to part with theirs please let me know.  kdloewen at hotmail dot com  Thanks Kent 
Group: S-Trains Message: 81107 From: snstrains Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
I have one that the lettering has faded on but I sure wouldn't want that much for it. If interested email me at snstrains@...

Steve Blackburn
Boise, Id.
In a message dated 1/3/2019 7:18:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

Forty to Sixty Dollars Max
Group: S-Trains Message: 81108 From: snstrains Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Just set it up on a dead siding with another power supply.

Steve Blackburn
Boise, Id.
In a message dated 1/3/2019 7:18:10 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

 

To:
No Reply <notify-dg-S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Can anyone tell me how to use the Talking Station with the new S gauge Lionel Fastrack?  With CHIEF remote control the uses constant voltage in track?

 

Sent from my iPhone
Subject:
Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 7758
From:
"tiferes@..." <tiferes@...>
Date:
12/4/2018, 2:00 AM
Group: S-Trains Message: 81109 From: George Cohn Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
On 1/3/2019 5:44 PM, edsauers@... [S-Trains] wrote:
> Group,
>
> I am looking for a black 771 stock yard controller in good condition.
>
> Please contact me off list at edsauers@...   edsauers  at  gmail
> dot  com

I have a several, let me sort trough them to find one with good lettering.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 81110 From: whtrainman Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Lionel does not make an insulated track section in S, but they do have it in O. If you want to create an isolated section to stop train, have the station make the announcement, then automatically start the train up, (assuming you have an original AF station), you need the following: (1) 2 Lionel transition tracks (5 inches each), (2) 4 insulating pins-these go into the AF track ends that connect to the transition track.(3) an AF track lock-on fr the AF track, & (4) an AF operating button (2 wire). Also, enough AF track to finish the straight run (if needed).
You would hook up the station to the AF track, using Gilbert's instructions. In normal operation, the isolated track in front of the station receives power thru the station. When the button is pushed, the station cuts power to the track, (train stops on the isolated section) makes the announcement, turns the power back on & the train moves on.
You can also use an "air gap" instead of the insulating pins on theAF track.
The instructions of the Lionel version of the station do not mention this at all, so I don't know if it can be done. If it can't be done, shame on them!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81111 From: richs009 Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Ed - I thought I saw a stockyard controller (button for energizing the vibrational pad in the stock car and the rotary switch for energizing the vibrational pad in the stockyard itself) while perusing the eBay listings from Trainz.  Having said that, now I don't recall if it was black..

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 81112 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color

We can supply, if you don’t find one elsewhere.

 

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

 
Group: S-Trains Message: 81113 From: EdSauers Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Rich,
 
there was one included but the button that activates the vibrator in the car does not work. the Car is good, tested it with a couple of leads. The herd seems to move very fast but there is not adjustment nut in the back that I can see...maybe the one I have is the newer version!!!
 
Thanks
 
ED
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: richs009@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 1/4/2019 5:08:37 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
 

Ed - I thought I saw a stockyard controller (button for energizing the vibrational pad in the stock car and the rotary switch for energizing the vibrational pad in the stockyard itself) while perusing the eBay listings from Trainz.  Having said that, now I don't recall if it was black..

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 81114 From: richs009 Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Ed - at the risk of suggesting somethings you've already checked - it might not be the button.  First, I'd make sure the car is set up to complete the circuit - meaning that the button supplies 15 - 18 VAC to the short contact rail, which in turn contacts the slider shoe projecting from the stockcar truck.  Lastly, the metal wheels on the other truck need to be set up to ride on the rail that is ultimately connected to the base contact on the track terminal(s).  Sometimes this latter requirement gets 'lost' in a complicated track plan - especially when the stockyard is setup on a siding one or more switches away from the track terminal.  In my experience, sometimes the "one train" or "two train" slider button on the AF switch(es) is not in the right position or isn't working correctly, so the 'base' rail isn't completing the circuit...

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 81115 From: EdSauers Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Rich,
 
I have already check all those things, the car will vibrate if I touch the red wire to the yellow wire. I get not continuity between the spring post for the red wire and the yellow wire when I press the button. I attempted to open up the box but cannot figure out how to get the rotary switch cap off to explore the inside. The controller was badly corroded, looks like maybe someone used acid flux on it when trying to reattach some wires.
 
Thanks
 
Ed
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: richs009@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 1/4/2019 6:27:31 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
 

Ed - at the risk of suggesting somethings you've already checked - it might not be the button.  First, I'd make sure the car is set up to complete the circuit - meaning that the button supplies 15 - 18 VAC to the short contact rail, which in turn contacts the slider shoe projecting from the stockcar truck.  Lastly, the metal wheels on the other truck need to be set up to ride on the rail that is ultimately connected to the base contact on the track terminal(s).  Sometimes this latter requirement gets 'lost' in a complicated track plan - especially when the stockyard is setup on a siding one or more switches away from the track terminal.  In my experience, sometimes the "one train" or "two train" slider button on the AF switch(es) is not in the right position or isn't working correctly, so the 'base' rail isn't completing the circuit...

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 81116 From: racin510 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
The newer Lionel talking station is not designed to stop/start the train.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81117 From: richs009 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
yep - sounds like the button! - as you've already figured out.

- Rich

ps  I don't know how to remove the rotary switch knob either
Group: S-Trains Message: 81118 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
You can use the SHS or MTH insulated railjoiners to isolate the section. They fit Flyonel Fastrack perfectly.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81119 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: AF SD70ACe Cdn Cyl Hoppers wanted
Same answer as I stated on FB, Nicholas Smith has them and there is one on Ebay at present.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81120 From: EdSauers Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Rich,
 
If I figure it out I'll let you know....what do I have to loose anyway!!!!!
 
Ed
 
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: 1/5/2019 1:03:23 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
 

yep - sounds like the button! - as you've already figured out.

- Rich

ps  I don't know how to remove the rotary switch knob either
Group: S-Trains Message: 81121 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Transformer debate

I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

 

As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

 

f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

g) And can anything be done about that?

 

Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

 
Group: S-Trains Message: 81122 From: Carl and Kathy Rudolph Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Attachments :

    Doug,

     

    I’ll give it a shot!

     

    The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

     

    The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

     

    A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

     

    1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

    2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

    3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

    4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

     

    Waiting to hear from others!

     

    Carl Rudolph

     

    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
    Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

     

     

    I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

    I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

     

    As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

    a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

    b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

    c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

    d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

    e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

     

    f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

    g) And can anything be done about that?

     

    Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

    Doug Peck
    Port Lines Hobby Supply
    6 Storeybrooke Drive
    Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
    doug@...
    www.portlines.com
    Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
    Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
    VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

     
    Group: S-Trains Message: 81123 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
    Subject: Re: Transformer debate


    Sent from my iPad

    On 10 Jan 2019, at 13:46, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

    I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

     

    As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

    a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

    It is not split equally, the stack is common to both but each can take what is needed at any one time. So if one was was powering a 336 and it needed say 60 watts as an example and the other side was powering a modern docksider needing say 15 watts then you are pulling a total 75 watts from a common bucket load of 300 watts and have 225 watts in reserve to be available to whoever needs more.

    b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

    No, see above

    c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

    If one side is in use say drawing 100 watts then the other side has available to it if needed the other 200 watts

    d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

    If you are pulling 50 watts for accessories then you have 250 watts available to be split between the two variables, so it could be split say 100 watts one side and 150 for the other if that is the load you wish to split between them

    e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

    You can treat these as two individual 175 watt supplies, so one would not have available more than this.

     

    f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

    Don’t know, perhaps the roller is slightly lifting off the stack at one small point only

    g) And can anything be done about that?

     

    Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

    Doug Peck
    Port Lines Hobby Supply
    6 Storeybrooke Drive
    Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
    doug@...
    www.portlines.com
    Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
    Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
    VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

     
    Group: S-Trains Message: 81124 From: Bob Moyer Date: 1/10/2019
    Subject: American Flyer on TV
    To All:
    Just a funny thing I noticed about Flyer on TV/ Movies etc. HBO is running all the seasons of the Sopranos. Its the 20th anniversary of the start of the Sopranos. I used to watch it. So last night they're up to season 6. One of the main characters Bobby Bacala has a train layout in his garage. form what I remember and saw last night his layout is Lionel. Hey its set in North Jersey. Anyway Bobby is trying to engage his son to "play with the trains" and he asks Bobby Jr. if he wants t see some Moe and Joe action. They do a tight shot of a Moe and Joe lumber unloading car in action. It is the AF car but the track and the car trucks are obscured by something in the foreground like a platform around the same height of the flatcar. So Bobby had some AF. Cool. In a episode coming up I think it was in the last season of the series, Bobby gets wacked at the train store while he is holding a Blue Comet Steam engine. I must have too much time on my hands to notice that and write a email about it. Forgetaboutit.

    Regards

    Bob Moyer
    Group: S-Trains Message: 81125 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
    Subject: Re: Transformer debate
    One other thing that went through my mind was the circuit breakers. What is interesting is that the 18B, 30B and 19B (300W) transformers all share the same part number. 

    So if the 19B rated at 300W is correct, then for the 30B it is also technically correct but this then poses an issue as to how much could you demand from a 30B on each turret as each one has its own breaker. If you just used one side then the breaker is correct  and will trip at whatever it is set at for 300W but if you turned both turrets on and had a 300W load on each side you would be pulling a total of 600W but the breaker wouldn’t trip until it got to somewhere just above the 300W’s. So is this correct and a potential problem?

    Then looking at an 18B it also has the same breaker for a 19B and 30B but is only 180W, so potentially can you pull 300W before the breaker tripped.

    More questions than answers now.

    Sent from my iPad

    On 10 Jan 2019, at 13:46, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

    I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

     

    As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

    a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

    b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

    c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

    d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

    e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

     

    f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

    g) And can anything be done about that?

     

    Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

    Doug Peck
    Port Lines Hobby Supply
    6 Storeybrooke Drive
    Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
    doug@...
    www.portlines.com
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    Group: S-Trains Message: 81126 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/10/2019
    Subject: Re: Transformer debate

    Nice explanation Carl!

    On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:
     

    Doug,

     

    I’ll give it a shot!

     

    The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

     

    The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

     

    A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

     

    1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

    2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

    3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

    4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

     

    Waiting to hear from others!

     

    Carl Rudolph

     

    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
    Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

     

     

    I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

    I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

     

    As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

    a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

    b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

    c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

    d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

    e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

     

    f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

    g) And can anything be done about that?

     

    Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

    Doug Peck
    Port Lines Hobby Supply
    6 Storeybrooke Drive
    Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
    doug@...
    www.portlines.com
    Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
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    Group: S-Trains Message: 81127 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/10/2019
    Subject: Re: Transformer debate
    Attachments :

      Hey guys, everyone seems to be missing the critical point.  Circuit Breakers fire on current not power.  Thus some transformers have a max voltage of 15 VAC while others have up to 18 VAC.  The same breaker adjusted correctly fires on current.  We see this on our own public layout in La Mesa California.  When we replaced the 15V AF transformer running our DCC loop, with an 18 Volt physically similar one, we suddenly found that we had more breaker firing when a train shorted even though the DCC unit limited the max current to 8 amps.  It really would make no sense to set a dual unit up with the maximum current since then the transformer would not be protected when both sides were used.  The other factor to consider is that these breakers were mass produced and may well vary from unit to unit.  Remember AC power is approximately the mean voltage times the current.  An 18 V transformer will dissipate 180 watts at 10 amperes.

       

      Raulf Polichar

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:38 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      Nice explanation Carl!

      On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

       

      Doug,

       

      I’ll give it a shot!

       

      The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

       

      The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

       

      A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

       

      1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

      2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

      3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

      4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

       

      Waiting to hear from others!

       

      Carl Rudolph

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www..portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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      Group: S-Trains Message: 81128 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/10/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate

      Thanks (I think), Neil.

      CBs are another issue I’ve struggled with over the years.  Gilbert used so many different ones, and it’s often not clear what each was rated at. The result is that when one encounters a bad breaker, how do we determine a suitable after-market breaker that could be substituted.

      Many years ago, Tom Jarcho marketed CB kits that included an appropriate self-resetting CB and an appropriate bracket to mount it.

      He made these kits for several different AF transformers, with different CBs and different brackets.

      Unfortunately none of the CBs were marked with their values.  I still have 2 or 3 of his kits here.

      Wish he was still with us, for more reasons than one !

       

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www.portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:32 PM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      One other thing that went through my mind was the circuit breakers.. What is interesting is that the 18B, 30B and 19B (300W) transformers all share the same part number. 

       

      So if the 19B rated at 300W is correct, then for the 30B it is also technically correct but this then poses an issue as to how much could you demand from a 30B on each turret as each one has its own breaker. If you just used one side then the breaker is correct  and will trip at whatever it is set at for 300W but if you turned both turrets on and had a 300W load on each side you would be pulling a total of 600W but the breaker wouldn’t trip until it got to somewhere just above the 300W’s. So is this correct and a potential problem?

       

      Then looking at an 18B it also has the same breaker for a 19B and 30B but is only 180W, so potentially can you pull 300W before the breaker tripped.

       

      More questions than answers now.

      Sent from my iPad


      On 10 Jan 2019, at 13:46, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here…..I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www.portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       
      Group: S-Trains Message: 81129 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate
      Hi Raul,

      And this is my point, the 19B (300W) is rated at 16V so theoretically it has a current rating of 18.75 Amps, scary, and a breaker to match its rating.

      The 19B breaker is also used in the 18B which at 190W and 18V is 10.5 Amps. So on paper it would seem that you could pull way more than 10.5 Amps each side before the breaker popped.

      If this same breaker is also used on the 30B then each side in theory could pull 18.75 Amps and max out just under 40 Amps for both combined, yet the stack is only designed for 18.75 Amps

      Am I missing something obvious here and forgotten some basic theory?

      Sent from my iPad

      On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:26, 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Hey guys, everyone seems to be missing the critical point.  Circuit Breakers fire on current not power.  Thus some transformers have a max voltage of 15 VAC while others have up to 18 VAC.  The same breaker adjusted correctly fires on current.  We see this on our own public layout in La Mesa California.  When we replaced the 15V AF transformer running our DCC loop, with an 18 Volt physically similar one, we suddenly found that we had more breaker firing when a train shorted even though the DCC unit limited the max current to 8 amps.  It really would make no sense to set a dual unit up with the maximum current since then the transformer would not be protected when both sides were used.  The other factor to consider is that these breakers were mass produced and may well vary from unit to unit.  Remember AC power is approximately the mean voltage times the current.  An 18 V transformer will dissipate 180 watts at 10 amperes.

       

      Raulf Polichar

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:38 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      Nice explanation Carl!

      On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

       

      Doug,

       

      I’ll give it a shot!

       

      The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

       

      The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

       

      A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

       

      1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

      2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

      3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

      4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

       

      Waiting to hear from others!

       

      Carl Rudolph

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www..portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       
      Group: S-Trains Message: 81130 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/10/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate

      Doug,

       

      Some things to consider:

       

      Most of the CBs in these toy train transformers are of the bimetal type and do not trip instantaneously.  Rather, like fuses, they are designed to trip at a certain level of over-current in a particular amount of time.   A CB rated at 10 amperes for example may take 100 minutes to trip at 10 amperes, 2 minutes to trip at 15 amperes, and 2 seconds to trip at 25 amperes.  (The numbers are made up, but hopefully convey the message that there is a time component as well as a current component as to when a CB will trip.)

       

      One can design and build electronic CBs that will have a very precise and narrow trip points, and will behave quite differently from the bimetal type. 

       

      If you have operating low voltage CBs that are unmarked, you can test them to see at what current level they will open.  You will need a transformer that will deliver enough current, some sort of load (an assortment of automotive light bulbs that you can hook in parallel will work well), a voltmeter, and a 0.1 ohm resistor (which you can make from a known length and gauge of Nichrome wire from tables found on the internet).  Put the source, in series with the load, the CB, and the 0.1 ohm resistor and put the voltmeter in parallel with the resistor.  In a series circuit, the current is everywhere the same.  Ohms law says that the voltage drop across the 0.1 ohm resistor will be 0.1 volts for each ampere of current going through it.  1 volt across the resistor will be 10 amperes, 2 volts will be twenty amperes, etc.  Just keep putting light bulbs in parallel until the CB trips.  The voltage across the 0.1 ohm resistor will tell you how much current was flowing when the CB tripped.  (If you have a clamp-on type ammeter meter that can directly measure the current, that would be is even easier to use and you wouldn’t need to make a resistor.)

       

      Hope this helps,

       

      Jerry F.

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:57 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      Thanks (I think), Neil.

      CBs are another issue I’ve struggled with over the years.  Gilbert used so many different ones, and it’s often not clear what each was rated at. The result is that when one encounters a bad breaker, how do we determine a suitable after-market breaker that could be substituted.

      Many years ago, Tom Jarcho marketed CB kits that included an appropriate self-resetting CB and an appropriate bracket to mount it.

      He made these kits for several different AF transformers, with different CBs and different brackets.

      Unfortunately none of the CBs were marked with their values.  I still have 2 or 3 of his kits here.

      Wish he was still with us, for more reasons than one !

       

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www.portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:32 PM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      One other thing that went through my mind was the circuit breakers.. What is interesting is that the 18B, 30B and 19B (300W) transformers all share the same part number. 

       

      So if the 19B rated at 300W is correct, then for the 30B it is also technically correct but this then poses an issue as to how much could you demand from a 30B on each turret as each one has its own breaker. If you just used one side then the breaker is correct  and will trip at whatever it is set at for 300W but if you turned both turrets on and had a 300W load on each side you would be pulling a total of 600W but the breaker wouldn’t trip until it got to somewhere just above the 300W’s. So is this correct and a potential problem?

       

      Then looking at an 18B it also has the same breaker for a 19B and 30B but is only 180W, so potentially can you pull 300W before the breaker tripped.

       

      More questions than answers now.

      Sent from my iPad


      On 10 Jan 2019, at 13:46, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here…..I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www.portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       
      Group: S-Trains Message: 81131 From: Polichar Date: 1/10/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate
      Neil
      My point is that each control is only half of the total power.  If this were not the case, the breakers would not protect the overall transformer.

      Raulf

      Sent from my iPad

      On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:06 PM, NEIL TRUMP neil.trump@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Hi Raul,


      And this is my point, the 19B (300W) is rated at 16V so theoretically it has a current rating of 18.75 Amps, scary, and a breaker to match its rating.

      The 19B breaker is also used in the 18B which at 190W and 18V is 10.5 Amps. So on paper it would seem that you could pull way more than 10.5 Amps each side before the breaker popped.

      If this same breaker is also used on the 30B then each side in theory could pull 18.75 Amps and max out just under 40 Amps for both combined, yet the stack is only designed for 18..75 Ampsneill

      Am I missing something obvious here and forgotten some basic theory?

      Sent from my iPad

      On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:26, 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Hey guys, everyone seems to be missing the critical point.  Circuit Breakers fire on current not power.  Thus some transformers have a max voltage of 15 VAC while others have up to 18 VAC.  The same breaker adjusted correctly fires on current.  We see this on our own public layout in La Mesa California.  When we replaced the 15V AF transformer running our DCC loop, with an 18 Volt physically similar one, we suddenly found that we had more breaker firing when a train shorted even though the DCC unit limited the max current to 8 amps.  It really would make no sense to set a dual unit up with the maximum current since then the transformer would not be protected when both sides were used.  The other factor to consider is that these breakers were mass produced and may well vary from unit to unit.  Remember AC power is approximately the mean voltage times the current.  An 18 V transformer will dissipate 180 watts at 10 amperes.

       

      Raulf Polichar

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:38 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      Nice explanation Carl!

      On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

       

      Doug,

       

      I’ll give it a shot!

       

      The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

       

      The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

       

      A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

       

      1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

      2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

      3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

      4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

       

      Waiting to hear from others!

       

      Carl Rudolph

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www..portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       
      Group: S-Trains Message: 81132 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/11/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate
      Hi Raulf,

      If each turret can only take half the current available from the main stack then what stops a single turret from taking more if the load increases beyond half technically allocated to it?

      Regards 

      Neil


      Sent from my iPhone

      On 10 Jan 2019, at 23:46, Polichar polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Neil

      My point is that each control is only half of the total power.  If this were not the case, the breakers would not protect the overall transformer.

      Raulf

      Sent from my iPad

      On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:06 PM, NEIL TRUMP neil.trump@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com> wrote:

       

      Hi Raul,


      And this is my point, the 19B (300W) is rated at 16V so theoretically it has a current rating of 18.75 Amps, scary, and a breaker to match its rating.

      The 19B breaker is also used in the 18B which at 190W and 18V is 10.5 Amps. So on paper it would seem that you could pull way more than 10.5 Amps each side before the breaker popped.

      If this same breaker is also used on the 30B then each side in theory could pull 18.75 Amps and max out just under 40 Amps for both combined, yet the stack is only designed for 18..75 Ampsneill

      Am I missing something obvious here and forgotten some basic theory?

      Sent from my iPad

      On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:26, 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Hey guys, everyone seems to be missing the critical point.  Circuit Breakers fire on current not power.  Thus some transformers have a max voltage of 15 VAC while others have up to 18 VAC.  The same breaker adjusted correctly fires on current.  We see this on our own public layout in La Mesa California.  When we replaced the 15V AF transformer running our DCC loop, with an 18 Volt physically similar one, we suddenly found that we had more breaker firing when a train shorted even though the DCC unit limited the max current to 8 amps.  It really would make no sense to set a dual unit up with the maximum current since then the transformer would not be protected when both sides were used.  The other factor to consider is that these breakers were mass produced and may well vary from unit to unit.  Remember AC power is approximately the mean voltage times the current.  An 18 V transformer will dissipate 180 watts at 10 amperes.

       

      Raulf Polichar

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:38 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      Nice explanation Carl!

      On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

       

      Doug,

       

      I’ll give it a shot!

       

      The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

       

      The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

       

      A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

       

      1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

      2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

      3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

      4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

       

      Waiting to hear from others!

       

      Carl Rudolph

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www..portlines..com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       
      Group: S-Trains Message: 81133 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/11/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate
      Attachments :

        Neil,

        If each side has a separate circuit breaker, then they fire at approximately half of the total current capability.  Frankly it would make more sense to put a single breaker in the base side of the circuit but that might allow enough power to go into a shorted track to heat things up a lot on the track and the wires going to it. The breakers were put their for safety and the most likely failure is a short on the track.  You have already determined that the physical breakers are the same as on the 150 watt single control unit so that really suggests that each breaker was set to slowly open when half of the total current was used.  An average AF engine uses an amp or two.  Eight amps is sufficient to operate at least two or perhaps three engines simultaneously.  How much more power can a single controller reasonably require.

         

        Raulf

         

        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 6:30 AM
        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

         

         

        Hi Raulf,

         

        If each turret can only take half the current available from the main stack then what stops a single turret from taking more if the load increases beyond half technically allocated to it?

         

        Regards 

         

        Neil

         

        Sent from my iPhone


        On 10 Jan 2019, at 23:46, Polichar polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

        Neil

        My point is that each control is only half of the total power.  If this were not the case, the breakers would not protect the overall transformer.

         

        Raulf

        Sent from my iPad


        On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:06 PM, NEIL TRUMP neil.trump@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com> wrote:

         

        Hi Raul,

         

        And this is my point, the 19B (300W) is rated at 16V so theoretically it has a current rating of 18.75 Amps, scary, and a breaker to match its rating.

         

        The 19B breaker is also used in the 18B which at 190W and 18V is 10.5 Amps. So on paper it would seem that you could pull way more than 10.5 Amps each side before the breaker popped.

         

        If this same breaker is also used on the 30B then each side in theory could pull 18.75 Amps and max out just under 40 Amps for both combined, yet the stack is only designed for 18..75 Ampsneill

         

        Am I missing something obvious here and forgotten some basic theory?

         

        Sent from my iPad


        On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:26, 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

        Hey guys, everyone seems to be missing the critical point.  Circuit Breakers fire on current not power.  Thus some transformers have a max voltage of 15 VAC while others have up to 18 VAC.  The same breaker adjusted correctly fires on current.  We see this on our own public layout in La Mesa California.  When we replaced the 15V AF transformer running our DCC loop, with an 18 Volt physically similar one, we suddenly found that we had more breaker firing when a train shorted even though the DCC unit limited the max current to 8 amps.  It really would make no sense to set a dual unit up with the maximum current since then the transformer would not be protected when both sides were used.  The other factor to consider is that these breakers were mass produced and may well vary from unit to unit.  Remember AC power is approximately the mean voltage times the current.  An 18 V transformer will dissipate 180 watts at 10 amperes.

         

        Raulf Polichar

         

        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:38 AM
        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

         

         

        Nice explanation Carl!

        On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

         

        Doug,

         

        I’ll give it a shot!

         

        The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

         

        The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

         

        A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

         

        1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

        2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

        3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem..

        4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

         

        Waiting to hear from others!

         

        Carl Rudolph

         

        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

         

         

        I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

        I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

         

        As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

        a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

        b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

        c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

        d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

        e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

         

        f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

        g) And can anything be done about that?

         

        Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

        Doug Peck
        Port Lines Hobby Supply
        6 Storeybrooke Drive
        Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
        doug@...
        www..portlines..com
        Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only... No other availability..
        Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
        VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

         
        Group: S-Trains Message: 81134 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/11/2019
        Subject: Re: Transformer debate
        Hi Raulf,

        The breakers on the 18 and 30B are the same as used on the single 19B which is rated at 300W/18Amps

        Regards 

        Neil


        Sent from my iPhone
        Group: S-Trains Message: 81135 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/14/2019
        Subject: Re: Transformer debate
        Attachments :

          Neil,

          We are kind of going around in circles.  The best way to test things is to measure the trigger current for the breaker that was suggested in one of the previous entries.  I am only giving you an engineering answer that makes sense to me professionally.  If I was designing a toy for children to use, what protections would I choose.  What is actually there reflects the standards of the fifties and sixties.  I know that most of the transformers I have measured both in my collection and on our club layout fail somewhere between 8 and 10 amps and depend somewhat on how long the current is on.  They are thermal breakers so that they are not real exact on the opening currents.  If you could borrow a clamp on AC ammeter from somewhere, this is an easy thing to do.  I think there isn’t a right or wrong answer here but simply a question of exactly which breakers were used and if they can be adjusted to set points.  I still would argue for protecting each half of a dual controller with individual breakers, each set for half power.

          Raulf

           

          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:03 AM
          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

           

           

          Hi Raulf,

           

          The breakers on the 18 and 30B are the same as used on the single 19B which is rated at 300W/18Amps

           

          Regards 

           

          Neil

           

          Sent from my iPhone

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81136 From: mleahy68 Date: 1/14/2019
          Subject: Trainminder Program?

          I had a computer crash, and ended up needing a new laptop.  I went from a windows 7 to a windows 10.  When I tried to move the Trainminder program it asked for a password, which I had never had previously.  I tried to contact the company, but with no luck.  Does anyone know how to contact them, or a solution so I can again use this train program?

           

          Mike Leahy
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81137 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/14/2019
          Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?

          Mike,

          Trainmaster “vaporized” long ago. I’ve heard theories as to why, but never really heard anything factual.

           

          <<< I had a computer crash, and ended up needing a new laptop.  I went from a windows 7 to a windows 10.  When I tried to move the Trainminder program it asked for a password, which I had never had previously.  I tried to contact the company, but with no luck.  Does anyone know how to contact them, or a solution so I can again use this train program?>>>

          Doug Peck
          Port Lines Hobby Supply
          6 Storeybrooke Drive
          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
          doug@...
          www.portlines.com
          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81138 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/14/2019
          Subject: Re: Transformer debate

          Raulf,

           

          In looking at the schematic of one of the dual controller units, the Gilbert engineers did indeed place an individual breaker on the common line of each transformer.  Unfortunately, they did not specify a value for either of the breakers. 

           

          For the smaller transformers, AF had an accessory circuit breaker (American Flyer #13).  The breaker itself was made by Klixon and certainly is a thermal breaker.  See:

          https://www.ebay.com/itm/CWF-Here-Your-Listing-for-Your-American-Flyer-No-23780-Platform-/311943018280 

           

          As you said, a clamp-amp would probably be the best way of determining the time-to-trip curve for the breakers used in the larger transformers. 

           

          Jerry F.

           

           

          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:23 AM
          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

           

           

          Neil,

          We are kind of going around in circles.  The best way to test things is to measure the trigger current for the breaker that was suggested in one of the previous entries.  I am only giving you an engineering answer that makes sense to me professionally.  If I was designing a toy for children to use, what protections would I choose.  What is actually there reflects the standards of the fifties and sixties.  I know that most of the transformers I have measured both in my collection and on our club layout fail somewhere between 8 and 10 amps and depend somewhat on how long the current is on.  They are thermal breakers so that they are not real exact on the opening currents.  If you could borrow a clamp on AC ammeter from somewhere, this is an easy thing to do.  I think there isn’t a right or wrong answer here but simply a question of exactly which breakers were used and if they can be adjusted to set points.  I still would argue for protecting each half of a dual controller with individual breakers, each set for half power.

          Raulf

           

          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:03 AM
          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

           

           

          Hi Raulf,

           

          The breakers on the 18 and 30B are the same as used on the single 19B which is rated at 300W/18Amps

           

          Regards 

           

          Neil

           

          Sent from my iPhone

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81139 From: Tom Date: 1/14/2019
          Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
          Is the password a Trainminder password or a Windows one?  If you never had a password for this program before it seems strange that the program would ask for one now.  You might even try to open it by leaving the password field blank if you haven’t tried that yet.

          Also if you can open the program, you might consider converting or exporting the file to a general data file that could be moved to another database program, such as a CVS file (I think that’s the format, although I haven’t used a Windows program in many years).  That type of data file might be usable in another, perhaps new program, that could import it.  I’m sure there are other techie persons in this group who can advise you better than me.

          Tom Detmer

          On Jan 14, 2019, at 1:56 PM, gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


          I had a computer crash, and ended up needing a new laptop.  I went from a windows 7 to a windows 10.  When I tried to move the Trainminder program it asked for a password, which I had never had previously.  I tried to contact the company, but with no luck.  Does anyone know how to contact them, or a solution so I can again use this train program?

           

          Mike Leahy
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81140 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/14/2019
          Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
          Sorry, the company went out of business several years ago. The website is no longer maintained and he does not respond to email inquiries.

          Sorry, I don’t know anything about the password situation. Can’t help.

          Exporting is a nice idea, but the program has no such facility. What I did was to print out a report and manually edit that into a CSV file that I could import into Excel. Painful and time consuming but it’s the only way to do it.


          On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:23 PM, Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          Is the password a Trainminder password or a Windows one?  If you never had a password for this program before it seems strange that the program would ask for one now.  You might even try to open it by leaving the password field blank if you haven’t tried that yet.


          Also if you can open the program, you might consider converting or exporting the file to a general data file that could be moved to another database program, such as a CVS file (I think that’s the format, although I haven’t used a Windows program in many years).  That type of data file might be usable in another, perhaps new program, that could import it.  I’m sure there are other techie persons in this group who can advise you better than me.

          Tom Detmer

          On Jan 14, 2019, at 1:56 PM, gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com> wrote:


          I had a computer crash, and ended up needing a new laptop.  I went from a windows 7 to a windows 10.  When I tried to move the Trainminder program it asked for a password, which I had never had previously.  I tried to contact the company, but with no luck.  Does anyone know how to contact them, or a solution so I can again use this train program?

           

          Mike Leahy
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81141 From: race944t Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?

          I might also suggest trying to log into the program as administrator on your pc.  You can do this by right clicking on the executable file and use the "Run as Administrator" function.  Assuming the login you are logged in as is the administrator, this may help.


          "Banker" Bill Clark
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81142 From: Ted Walton Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Repair of AF 751 log loader
          I'm trying to bring an American Flyer 751 log loader back life. (See
          photos in Walton repair AF 751 album.) This link should work:

          https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/2096325731

          Either click on link or highlight, copy, and past in browser.

          The initial problem was that the grease in the gear box was so
          solidified ( as I found out) that the motor would not turn. Removing
          the gear box top, I dug out the mess as best as possible and then
          sprayed some engine de greaser into the box with the unit upside down
          (so any gunk would fall out on the ground ) and then did some more
          digging. A few cycles got all(most ) of the solid grease removed. I
          spread some CRC lubricant and did some more cleaning. The motor ran
          good after the cleaning. The first issue now is what to use as a
          replacement grease. I have old tubes of Lionel grease, auto wheel
          gear grease, Vaseline, or maybe something else?

          The solenoid that loads the logs in to the carriage tray worked
          strong. Have no logs to check its complete operation; I believe I
          need a 7/8 inch (?) dowel to test.

          With all the screwing around with the repair I broke the string cable
          that moves the log tray and I think the hook with the pulley may have
          a small piece broken off the end tip - not sure, didn't see any
          remains but it looks a little funny (incomplete). Before the string
          broke, the operation of the carriage tray for loading the logs into a
          car worked smoothly. The question here is what direction does the
          hook go into hole on the frame at the front - up from the bottom or
          down from the top (see photos). It appears to work best with the hook
          coming up from the bottom into the hole in the front frame. Also, do
          I have the string attached (positioned) correctly to the front bar on
          the log tray (see same photos).

          Also any comments for the type of string to use - the replacement
          cord I used appears to stretch.

          Thanks for any comments and help.

          Ted Walton
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81143 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: lighted drumheads
          I have a 654 heavyweight observation car that I am fixing up (LED lights, new step to replace a broken one, cleaning the windows, etc.) and thought having a lighted drumhead to hang on the railing around the back of the car would be pretty cool.  A couple of years ago there was someone - on eBay, I think - who was offering O-scale drumheads (which for something like this, probably wouldn't matter since there isn't a set size for the prototype), but he/she doesn't seem to be around, at least on eBay.  Does anyone know of anyone making/selling drumheads?

          My alternative would be to take one of the drumheads offered as replacements for the drumheads in the streamlined observation cars (e.g. 663 or 963) and try to fashion a short cylinder out of brass tubing (or similar material) to which the drumhead could be glued and then find a small surface mount LED for lighting.  If anyone has any experience with 'rolling your own' I'd be interested in finding out what you did.

          thanks,

          Rich
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81144 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
          There is a Trainminder Program Yahoo Group.  You have to join it to participate, and with Yahoo Groups and the switch to Verizon Oath, I'm not sure if you can join, but it's worth a try. 

          From the webpage I see there are four posts this month, so it's still active.

          Here is the link:

          Hope this helps.

          Good luck,
          Dennis

          Group: S-Trains Message: 81145 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Rich,
             Why not just check out Tomar Industries line of drumheads? they offer them in several scales S included their website ishttps://tomarindustries.com/drumheads.htm
           Might save a lot of grief?
                       Bob Lampe
                       Kalispell, MT
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81146 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: Repair of AF 751 log loader

          Regarding the oil/grease to use, I would use a small amount of lithium grease, or a dab of machine oil. 

           

          D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

           

          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:32 PM
          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [S-Trains] Repair of AF 751 log loader

           

           

          I'm trying to bring an American Flyer 751 log loader back life. (See
          photos in Walton repair AF 751 album.) This link should work:

          https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/2096325731

          Either click on link or highlight, copy, and past in browser.

          The initial problem was that the grease in the gear box was so
          solidified ( as I found out) that the motor would not turn. Removing
          the gear box top, I dug out the mess as best as possible and then
          sprayed some engine de greaser into the box with the unit upside down
          (so any gunk would fall out on the ground ) and then did some more
          digging. A few cycles got all(most ) of the solid grease removed. I
          spread some CRC lubricant and did some more cleaning. The motor ran
          good after the cleaning. The first issue now is what to use as a
          replacement grease. I have old tubes of Lionel grease, auto wheel
          gear grease, Vaseline, or maybe something else?

          The solenoid that loads the logs in to the carriage tray worked
          strong. Have no logs to check its complete operation; I believe I
          need a 7/8 inch (?) dowel to test.

          With all the screwing around with the repair I broke the string cable
          that moves the log tray and I think the hook with the pulley may have
          a small piece broken off the end tip - not sure, didn't see any
          remains but it looks a little funny (incomplete). Before the string
          broke, the operation of the carriage tray for loading the logs into a
          car worked smoothly. The question here is what direction does the
          hook go into hole on the frame at the front - up from the bottom or
          down from the top (see photos). It appears to work best with the hook
          coming up from the bottom into the hole in the front frame. Also, do
          I have the string attached (positioned) correctly to the front bar on
          the log tray (see same photos).

          Also any comments for the type of string to use - the replacement
          cord I used appears to stretch.

          Thanks for any comments and help.

          Ted Walton
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81147 From: Brett Schormann Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Where are you getting the led lights from. Thanks.
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81148 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Bob - thanks for reminding me about Tomar - I think I may have stumbled upon that site a couple of years ago when I first started thinking about this.  I can't quite tell what the state of their business is, based on a quick look at their website, but I'll give it a shot and see what happens.  They certainly do have a lot of drumheads to chose from (decisions, decisions...).

          - Rich
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81149 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Rich,
             Glad to help.As a last resort you can take a piece of  thin clear styrene cut to shape and scratch build a frame from sheet styrene or structural shape styrene apply a decal of the drumhead (some decal sets have a decal of the drumhead for this purpose) and using white LED's light it from behind of course. I say LED's because they give off no heat that would warp or otherwise ruin your drumhead. These actually look pretty good.
              Bob Lampe
               Kalispell, MT
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81150 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Brett - I hadn't really scoped all that out - my local electronics store (Berkeley, CA) had some small SMD LEDs, but I haven't been back to pick them over and figure out what I want.  As you will see in a related reply, I'm reminded about Tomar Industries drumheads - so if that works out, I won't have to build my own...
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81151 From: richs009 Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Bob - thanks.  I'm going to see what I can get from Tomar as you suggested.  the impression I have from their website is that their drumheads are thin cylinders or, in some cases, rectangles with artwork on the drumhead itself - backlit with an LED.  The have an extensive list of actual railroad names and associated passenger train names.  I'll try to get in touch with them in the next few days.

          Rich
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81152 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: led's

          There are a number of sources for LED's since Radio Shack went out of business. Actually they did not go out of business they just closed most if not all of their retail stores. You can still get items by mail order or online. Other sources are Mouser Electronics, Jameco Electronics, Archer Electronics and a few others just google LED's or electronic components. All have colored LED's in red blue green yellow and clear. Walthers has or had some bright white LED's for locomotive headlights. Accu-lites may be another source for LED's

                         Bob Lampe

                         Kalispell, MT
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81153 From: Mike Leahy Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: Trainminder Program Solved

          I went to the University of Colorado to see the “Bug Busters”.  At least that is what they used to be called, and my wife worked at CU for 20 years.  That allowed me to have them transfer my old programs to my new computer.  They were the ones that got my Trainminder Program back and running.  Thanks to the people that responded trying to help me recover 20 plus years of information.

          Mike Leahy

           

           

          Sent from Mail for Windows 10

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81154 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Rich,
             Back when Tomar first came out and I was still in HO I got one of their drumhead kits for the Northern Pacific's lightweight North Coast Limited. It included an aluminum rectangular frame, the mylar with the NCL logo printed on it in color and a standard 12 volt light bulb. It looked pretty good but the light bulb got hot and warped the drumhead. LED's will be much better as they do not radiate heat plus they are brighter. Before Tomar came out with their drumhead kits Microscale Northern Pacific passenger car decal sheets had on them a decal of the drumhead. I applied the decal to a small rectangular piece of clear mylar and made my own frame for it and lit it with a standard 12 v light bulb. The light bulb got hot as you can expect and warped the drumhead.
                                                               Bob Lampe
                                                               Kalispell, MT
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81155 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads

          Hi Bob,

           

          Just to clear up any misconceptions, LED lamps do indeed produce heat when operating.  We just do not notice the heat in toy train and many other applications because LED lamps are very much more efficient than incandescent bulbs, and more of the power used by a LED goes into making light rather than heat.   

           

          Jerry F.

           

          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 10:38 AM
          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [S-Trains] Re: lighted drumheads

           

           

          Rich,

             Back when Tomar first came out and I was still in HO I got one of their drumhead kits for the Northern Pacific's lightweight North Coast Limited. It included an aluminum rectangular frame, the mylar with the NCL logo printed on it in color and a standard 12 volt light bulb. It looked pretty good but the light bulb got hot and warped the drumhead. LED's will be much better as they do not radiate heat plus they are brighter. Before Tomar came out with their drumhead kits Microscale Northern Pacific passenger car decal sheets had on them a decal of the drumhead. I applied the decal to a small rectangular piece of clear mylar and made my own frame for it and lit it with a standard 12 v light bulb. The light bulb got hot as you can expect and warped the drumhead.

                                                               Bob Lampe

                                                               Kalispell, MT
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81156 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: Re: led's
          Best source for model railroad lights...

          https://www.modeltrainsoftware.com
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81157 From: hhisgauger Date: 1/20/2019
          Subject: New Lionel Catalogue
          Heard it was out? Any truth to the rumor ?
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81158 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/20/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Thanks, Jerry,
               I did not know that.I just took it for granted that LED's did not produce heat cause when I would touch an LED it was cool compared to an incandescent bulb which was hot. i have actually burned my fingers on incandescent bulbs which I am sure many have done. With LED;s that is no longer a concern.
                          Bob Lampe 
                           Kalispell, MT
              
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81159 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/20/2019
          Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue

          Not online yet, but I listed the new AF items in my January E-Newsletter, sent last night.

          I only send it to folks who request to receive it, to avoid SPAMming charges.

           

          <<< Heard it was out? Any truth to the rumor ?

          >>>  

          Doug Peck
          Port Lines Hobby Supply
          6 Storeybrooke Drive
          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
          doug@...
          www.portlines.com
          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81160 From: crossing5423 Date: 1/20/2019
          Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue
          Please send your January newsletter thank you bob

          Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
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          On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          Not online yet, but I listed the new AF items in my January E-Newsletter, sent last night.

          I only send it to folks who request to receive it, to avoid SPAMming charges.

           

          <<< Heard it was out? Any truth to the rumor ?

          >>>  

          Doug Peck
          Port Lines Hobby Supply
          6 Storeybrooke Drive
          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
          doug@...
          www.portlines.com
          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81161 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/20/2019
          Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue
          Some hobby shops have it, but won't be online until the 23rd. Here is a link where someone has listed the S contents of it:

          https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/flyer-2019-catalog-description-summary?reply=82382494864795638#82382494864795638
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81162 From: EdSauers Date: 1/21/2019
          Subject: 770 wiring question
          Group,
           
          When using the 712 Special track with my 770 how does the 712 get wired? I only have a 770 control box so does in share the output post on the 770 control box or do I need another controller to activate the 734 boxcar?
           
          Thanks
           
          Ed Sauers
           
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          Group: S-Trains Message: 81163 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/21/2019
          Subject: Re: 770 wiring question
          You do need a separate controller. If you connect them together, the boxcar will eject a box every time you load one into it.

          I did that on my module of our train club layout, but found that the boxcar doesn't eject it with enough force to get the box onto the 770 platform; it always ends up on the ground, between the track and the 770.. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but it didn't work out. Test yours before you set it up permanently.

          Bob Graves
          TheGilbertGallery.org


          On Monday, January 21, 2019, 9:00:55 AM PST, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


           

          Group,
           
          When using the 712 Special track with my 770 how does the 712 get wired? I only have a 770 control box so does in share the output post on the 770 control box or do I need another controller to activate the 734 boxcar?
           
          Thanks
           
          Ed Sauers
           
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          Group: S-Trains Message: 81164 From: EdSauers Date: 1/21/2019
          Subject: Re: 770 wiring question
          Bob,
           
          OK, Thanks for your suggestion
           
          Ed Sauers
           
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          From: Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: 1/21/2019 1:33:45 PM
          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 770 wiring question
           

          You do need a separate controller. If you connect them together, the boxcar will eject a box every time you load one into it.

          I did that on my module of our train club layout, but found that the boxcar doesn't eject it with enough force to get the box onto the 770 platform; it always ends up on the ground, between the track and the 770.. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but it didn't work out.. Test yours before you set it up permanently.

          Bob Graves
          TheGilbertGallery.org


          On Monday, January 21, 2019, 9:00:55 AM PST, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


           

          Group,
           
          When using the 712 Special track with my 770 how does the 712 get wired? I only have a 770 control box so does in share the output post on the 770 control box or do I need another controller to activate the 734 boxcar?
           
          Thanks
           
          Ed Sauers
           
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          Group: S-Trains Message: 81165 From: alsflyer Date: 1/29/2019
          Subject: Passing of the Founder of the Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club

          Dear Wonderful American Flyer Friends,

          Gene Dovenbarger passed away this morning from complications due to a stroke.

          American Flyer toy trains was one of his passions! He was so glad to meet all of you with the same passion and start the Golden Spike American Flyer Club!!

          It's been an honor and huge pleasure to get together with all of you on a regular basis to talk trains and run trains! We treasure your friendship!

          The viewing will be Thursday 31 January from 6-8 pm at Myers Mortuary in Roy. Funeral services will be Friday, 1 February at 11:00 am at the LDS Chapel on 4250 S 2175 W in Roy.

          Watch for an obituary in the Standard Examiner. Hopefully we'll be able to submit it before the funeral!

          Best Regards,

          Karen Dovenbarger


          Gene founded the Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club in April 1993, with 15 men joining him. The club is 25 years old and going strong.  We will all miss him and his great knowledge of American Flyer trains.
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81166 From: mmcconn12 Date: 1/30/2019
          Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemorativ

          Our club will be celebrating our 30th anniversary in July, 2019. To celebrate that event, we have partnered with American Models to produce a covered 3-bay "DuPont Alathon Polyethylene Resin" hopper car for us. This will be the first time this paint scheme is mass produced in S-Scale. 


          We chose this car because it best represents the industries found in our region from the 1950's through 1960's era. The car will be produced with 3 car numbers (one number '78919' is non-prototypical reflecting our July 1989-2019 anniversary). A choice of scale or hi-rail trucks & couplers will also be available.


          For more information about our car, please visit our club's website at https://southjerseysgaugers.org/Projects 
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81167 From: EdSauers Date: 1/30/2019
          Subject: electrical question
          Group,
           
          I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.
           
          I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?
           
          Thanks
           
          Ed Sauers
           
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          Group: S-Trains Message: 81168 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/30/2019
          Subject: Re: electrical question
          Attachments :

            Ed,

            I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

            Raulf Polichar

             

            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
            Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

             

             

            Group,

             

            I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

             

            I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

             

            Thanks

             

            Ed Sauers

             

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            Group: S-Trains Message: 81169 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/30/2019
            Subject: Re: electrical question

            Hi Ed,

             

            DO NOT under any circumstances use a knife switch for line voltage.  If you or someone else accidently touches one of the exposed connections you or they run the risk of an electric shock or even electrocution.  Knife switches are fine for fused low voltage circuits (below ~24 volts), but can be very dangerous for line voltage applications, and haven’t been used for that purpose here for many, many years. 

             

            Yes the green ground wire should be run directly to the base plate of the transformer.  The two power wires from the cord (the black HOT wire and the white NEUTRAL wire) should go to one side of a double pole, single throw (DPST) enclosed toggle switch mounted in an enclosure where the connections cannot be touched.  You can even get away with just interrupting the hot wire with a single pole, single throw (SPST) switch, but interrupting both wires is even better.  You can find the appropriate toggle switch at most hardware stores.  Tell the sales person what you want to do and they can help you find the correct switch and enclosure.

             

            Best of luck.

             

            Jerry F.

             

             

             

             

             

            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
            Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

             

             

            Group,

             

            I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

             

            I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

             

            Thanks

             

            Ed Sauers

             

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            Group: S-Trains Message: 81170 From: EdSauers Date: 1/30/2019
            Subject: Re: electrical question
            Attachments :
            Raulf,
             
            The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.
             
            Should have defined what I was using in my original post.
             
            Thanks
             
            Ed sauers
             
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            ----- Original Message -----
            From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM
            Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question
             

            Ed,

            I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

            Raulf Polichar

            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
            Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

             

            Group,

            I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

            I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

            Thanks

            Ed Sauers

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            Group: S-Trains Message: 81171 From: Alan Smith Date: 1/30/2019
            Subject: Re: electrical question
            ED,

            Raulf makes a very strong case why you should not proceed with your idea.   The potential  for a bad results is overwhelming .
            A handy box with a standard light switch and the right connectors would do the task and most importantly, be safe with nothing exposed. 

            Probably for 5 dollars or less.

             Alan

            On Jan 30, 2019, at 10:32 PM, 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


            Ed,

            I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

            Raulf Polichar

             

            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] 
            Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

             

             

            Group,

             

            I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

             

            I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

             

            Thanks

             

            Ed Sauers

             

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            Group: S-Trains Message: 81172 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/30/2019
            Subject: NASG Greeley's Place Contest

            Jamie Bothwell has announced the format for the 2019 Greeley’s Place Model Contest at the 2019 NASG Convention.

            Here’s the specs:

             

            <<<< This year's Greeley's Place Contest asks you to detail an S scale passenger car using details from Pre-Size Model Specialties (https://www.pre-size.com/). You can use details from other companies also, but you must have at least one part from Pre-Size to be eligible for prizes. Be prepared to point out your part or parts. As has become custom, you will receive a $5 entry honorarium, and our panel of esteemed judges will select winners for further cash prizes. You may enter as many cars as you like, but you will only get one honorarium. You can direct any questions to Jamie Bothwell (jamie.bothwell610@...).  >>>>

            Doug Peck

             
            Group: S-Trains Message: 81173 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/31/2019
            Subject: Re: electrical question [1 Attachment]
            Attachments :

              Ed,

              Sorry to jump the gun regarding safety.  Yes the green wire should connect to the transformer case bypassing the switch.  Is that plastic covered knife switch rated for 115VAC?

              Good luck

              Raulf

               

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:46 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electrical question [1 Attachment]

               

               

              Raulf,

               

              The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.

               

              Should have defined what I was using in my original post.

               

              Thanks

               

              Ed sauers

               

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              ----- Original Message -----

              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM

              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Ed,

              I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

              Raulf Polichar

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Group,

              I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

              I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

              Thanks

              Ed Sauers

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81174 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Pauf,
               
              actually it rated for 250 volts, but I decided to just use an old fashion surface mount round light switch.
               
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              ----- Original Message -----
              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: 1/31/2019 10:48:21 AM
              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question
               

              Ed,

              Sorry to jump the gun regarding safety.  Yes the green wire should connect to the transformer case bypassing the switch.  Is that plastic covered knife switch rated for 115VAC?

              Good luck

              Raulf

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:46 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electrical question [1 Attachment]

               

              Raulf,

              The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.

              Should have defined what I was using in my original post.

              Thanks

              Ed sauers

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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

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              To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM

              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Ed,

              I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

              Raulf Polichar

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Group,

              I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

              I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

              Thanks

              Ed Sauers

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81175 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Raul,
               
              I could make this setup even safer if I only use the switch for one of the two power wires. Correct?????
               
              Thanks for all info!!
               
              Ed S
               
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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: 1/31/2019 10:48:21 AM
              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question
               

              Ed,

              Sorry to jump the gun regarding safety.  Yes the green wire should connect to the transformer case bypassing the switch.  Is that plastic covered knife switch rated for 115VAC?

              Good luck

              Raulf

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:46 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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              Raulf,

              The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.

              Should have defined what I was using in my original post.

              Thanks

              Ed sauers

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              Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM

              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Ed,

              I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

              Raulf Polichar

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Group,

              I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

              I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

              Thanks

              Ed Sauers

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81176 From: n6ojj Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Ed, 
              Running Hot, Neutral, and Safety Ground together in a suitable power cord is the best way to go.  Risk of a shocking “accident” is greatly reduced.  Do you intend your switch will be used by yourself or by others?  

              Dave McBrayer 
              retired product safety engineer

              Sent from my iPad

              On Jan 31, 2019, at 08:23, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

               

              Raul,
               
              I could make this setup even safer if I only use the switch for one of the two power wires. Correct?????
               
              Thanks for all info!!
               
              Ed S
               
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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: 1/31/2019 10:48:21 AM
              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question
               

              Ed,

              Sorry to jump the gun regarding safety.  Yes the green wire should connect to the transformer case bypassing the switch.  Is that plastic covered knife switch rated for 115VAC?

              Good luck

              Raulf

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:46 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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              Raulf,

              The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.

              Should have defined what I was using in my original post.

              Thanks

              Ed sauers

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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM

              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Ed,

              I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch..  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

              Raulf Polichar

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Group,

              I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

              I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

              Thanks

              Ed Sauers

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81177 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Dave,
               
              I was planning for others to turn on the power to 3 separate transformers. I might give up the knife switch and just install 3 surface mount light switches .
               
              Thanks for your advice
               
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              Sent: 1/31/2019 12:06:31 PM
              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electrical question
               

              Ed, 

              Running Hot, Neutral, and Safety Ground together in a suitable power cord is the best way to go.  Risk of a shocking “accident” is greatly reduced.  Do you intend your switch will be used by yourself or by others?  

              Dave McBrayer 
              retired product safety engineer

              Sent from my iPad

              On Jan 31, 2019, at 08:23, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

               

              Raul,
               
              I could make this setup even safer if I only use the switch for one of the two power wires. Correct?????
               
              Thanks for all info!!
               
              Ed S
               
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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: 1/31/2019 10:48:21 AM
              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question
               

              Ed,

              Sorry to jump the gun regarding safety.  Yes the green wire should connect to the transformer case bypassing the switch.  Is that plastic covered knife switch rated for 115VAC?

              Good luck

              Raulf

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:46 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electrical question [1 Attachment]

               

              Raulf,

              The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.

              Should have defined what I was using in my original post.

              Thanks

              Ed sauers

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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM

              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Ed,

              I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch..  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

              Raulf Polichar

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Group,

              I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

              I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

              Thanks

              Ed Sauers

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81178 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              We had this discussion before when I was modifying some Flyer transformers with new cord, LED  meters and bridge rectifiers to convert
              the output to DC.  I was grounding the old Flyer transformer using the three wire cords and some commented that the original was only two wire
              so grounding wasn't necessary.  I felt if produced today Flyer transformers would have 3 pin cords with ground.

              All the Flyer transformers I have had an off/on toggle switch.  I got rid of the OEM little buzzbox a long time ago.  What is the largest Flyer transformer
              without an off/on switch?  I wouldn't bother trying to run trains with a low wattage transformer when some of the larger ones already have an off/on switch
              from the factory and on-line sell for affordable prices.

              ken clark


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              From: d_mcbrayer@... [S-Trains]
              To: S-Trains
              Sent: Thu, Jan 31, 2019 9:28 am
              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electrical question

               
              Ed, 
              Running Hot, Neutral, and Safety Ground together in a suitable power cord is the best way to go.  Risk of a shocking “accident” is greatly reduced.  Do you intend your switch will be used by yourself or by others?  

              Dave McBrayer 
              retired product safety engineer
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81179 From: Michael Strickland Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              How about a Power Strip?
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81180 From: racin510 Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Ever hear of a wall light switch [?]; what everyone I know with a layout uses and designed to be perfectly safe.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81181 From: John Keating Date: 2/1/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Another option is a power strip with overload protection.

              John Keating

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81182 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Looking for leads on S Helper 35ft semi trailers for s

              Our second choice for the 2018 NASG Convention car was going to be an MTH TOFC with the short trailer.  They said OK.

              Then they informed us that they had no tooling for it.

              Then I inquired of Don, and that’s when he discovered the tooling was never delivered.

              Then we switched to Plan 3 with MTH, which they never followed through on…..seemed to have no interest.

              As time was getting short (only about a year left), we had to shift gears and go with a new Plan 4 !

              And most of you know what happened with that plan !

              BUT…..I hope to have good news to post next week.

              Check the  bsgr.us  website next week for an update, and cross your fingers!

               

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
              doug@...
              www.portlines.com
              Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
              Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
              VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

               

              From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of Bob Werre
              Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 11:57 AM
              To: S-Scale@...
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Looking for leads on S Helper 35ft semi trailers for sale.

               

              Mel, Kent,

              SHS did sell the trailers individually,  they came factory boxed that way. 

              Bob Werre

              kent:

              good luck, you might have better luck

              with mth, problem is shs sold their

              trailers with flat cars only, you probably

              would have to buy a minimum from mth,

              or if you know someone into 3d cad,

              you could probably have some printed,

              not cheap, but your only alternative

              good luck

              mel perry

               

              On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 6:15 PM Kent Loewen  wrote:

              I am reaching out to see if I can locate some S helper 35ft horizontal corrugated trailers if anyone has any leads on some available etc. 
              One on the list is a Great Northern trailer. 
              http://www.nasg.org/SProductGallery/SHelperService/SHS_tofc_00304.jpg

              Thanks Kent 

              Group: S-Trains Message: 81183 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Looking for Flyonel Big Boy

              As misfortune would have it, I sold my Flyonel Big Boy a few years ago and now am looking to replace it for our layout at Union Station.

              If anyone knows of one for sale, please let me know :)

              Roy Inman

               

               

              On 02/04/2019 12:37 PM, Doug Peck wrote:

              Our second choice for the 2018 NASG Convention car was going to be an MTH TOFC with the short trailer.  They said OK.

              Then they informed us that they had no tooling for it.

              Then I inquired of Don, and that’s when he discovered the tooling was never delivered.

              Then we switched to Plan 3 with MTH, which they never followed through on…..seemed to have no interest.

              As time was getting short (only about a year left), we had to shift gears and go with a new Plan 4 !

              And most of you know what happened with that plan !

              BUT…..I hope to have good news to post next week.

              Check the  bsgr.us  website next week for an update, and cross your fingers!

               

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
              doug@...
              www.portlines.com
              Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
              Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
              VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

               

              From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of Bob Werre
              Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 11:57 AM
              To: S-Scale@...
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Looking for leads on S Helper 35ft semi trailers for sale.

               

              Mel, Kent,

              SHS did sell the trailers individually,  they came factory boxed that way. 

              Bob Werre

              kent:

              good luck, you might have better luck

              with mth, problem is shs sold their

              trailers with flat cars only, you probably

              would have to buy a minimum from mth,

              or if you know someone into 3d cad,

              you could probably have some printed,

              not cheap, but your only alternative

              good luck

              mel perry

               

              On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 6:15 PM Kent Loewen  wrote:

              I am reaching out to see if I can locate some S helper 35ft horizontal corrugated trailers if anyone has any leads on some available etc. 
              One on the list is a Great Northern trailer. 
              http://www.nasg.org/SProductGallery/SHelperService/SHS_tofc_00304.jpg

              Thanks Kent 


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              www.portlines.com

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81184 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Open auto carrier

              Speaking of special-run cars, I have always wanted an open auto carrier. 

              Several years ago another S guy and I tried our best to talk Don Thompson into it, but he and other manufactures apparently thought in was not commercially viable.

              Am I the only one?

              Roy inman
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81185 From: Edward Davis Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: Open auto carrier
              You might be interested in Lionel's -MPC.. auto carrier, open, with racks, two decks and good length for S conversion. Black and lettered for N&W.I have one for sale, only thing is you'd have to swap the trucks. I've done it with many Lionel[ and MArx]cars and the truck spacing has always worked out.. If intrested write  back. Ed Davis

              On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 12:59 PM rinphoto@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
               

              Speaking of special-run cars, I have always wanted an open auto carrier. 

              Several years ago another S guy and I tried our best to talk Don Thompson into it, but he and other manufactures apparently thought in was not commercially viable.

              Am I the only one?

              Roy inman
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81186 From: snstrains Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: Looking for Flyonel Big Boy
              Roy,
              I have one that needs new traction bands on the drivers (I have them).They didn't seem to hold up long. It only has about 10-12 hrs on it. Been setting in the box now since 2014. You can phone me at 208-376-1159 or email me at snstrains@... for a price.

              Steve Blackburn
              Boise, Id.
              In a message dated 2/4/2019 1:59:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

               

               

              As misfortune would have it, I sold my Flyonel Big Boy a few years ago and now am looking to replace it for our layout at Union Station.

              If anyone knows of one for sale, please let me know :)

              Roy Inman

               


              On 02/04/2019 12:37 PM, Doug Peck wrote:

              Our second choice for the 2018 NASG Convention car was going to be an MTH TOFC with the short trailer.  They said OK.

              Then they informed us that they had no tooling for it.

              Then I inquired of Don, and that’s when he discovered the tooling was never delivered.

              Then we switched to Plan 3 with MTH, which they never followed through on…..seemed to have no interest.

              As time was getting short (only about a year left), we had to shift gears and go with a new Plan 4 !

              And most of you know what happened with that plan !

              BUT…..I hope to have good news to post next week.

              Check the  bsgr.us  website next week for an update, and cross your fingers!

               

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
              doug@...
              www.portlines.com
              Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
              Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
              VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

               

              From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of Bob Werre
              Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 11:57 AM
              To: S-Scale@...
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Looking for leads on S Helper 35ft semi trailers for sale.

               

              Mel, Kent,

              SHS did sell the trailers individually,  they came factory boxed that way.

              Bob Werre

              kent:

              good luck, you might have better luck

              with mth, problem is shs sold their

              trailers with flat cars only, you probably

              would have to buy a minimum from mth,

              or if you know someone into 3d cad,

              you could probably have some printed,

              not cheap, but your only alternative

              good luck

              mel perry

               

              On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 6:15 PM Kent Loewen  wrote:

              I am reaching out to see if I can locate some S helper 35ft horizontal corrugated trailers if anyone has any leads on some available etc. 
              One on the list is a Great Northern trailer. 
              http://www.nasg.org/SProductGallery/SHelperService/SHS_tofc_00304.jpg

              Thanks Kent


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              www.portlines.com

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81187 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers

              I have 4 of the Flyonel cylindrical hoppers with scale wheels. I purchased 4 pair of 100T Barber roller bearing trucks from Jim King at Smoky Mountain Model Works. I bought these trucks because they are closer to what the prototype I model uses. That prototype railroad is the Butte Anaconda & Pacific. Does anyone have any experience swapping trucks on these and/or adding Kadee couplers? I am thinking I can just epoxy the Kadee draft gear boxes to the underframe but I am not sure if I wiil need to change truck bolsters or if I can just use the stock ones as is? I thought that if the original truck mounting screw were too large in diameter I could epoxy in a short piece of plastruct tubing to make a screw mount for the new trucks. Anybody have any ideas or suggestions?

                                                                                  Bob Lampe

                                                                                  Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81188 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Back in the day

              I remember "back in the day" when a lot of guys scratch built what they needed. oine of the las was the late Jess Bennett of Careywood, Idaho. Jess had some of the most beautiful brass locomotives i have ever seen and he built them all himself using parts from S Scale Locomotive and supply. The boilers were made using brass tubing that was used for sink drains. Brass shim stock from auto parts stores was used to make boiler wrappers. Jess put a lot of hours building one particular model but the ends result was awesome. I had the good fortune of knowing Jess in the late 80's only a few years before he passed. I had numerous diagrams he made for me so as to build my own locomotives. Sadly my ex-wife tossed them out not knowing how priceless they were. Jess told me that Claude Wade who owned and started S scale Locomotive and Supply sold the business to Fred Rouse and then Claude passed away. Some time later Jess himself passed. The last I heard was that Fred Rouse sold the business but it is unknown to whom. I keep hoping that some day soon we will see S scale Locomotive and Supply resurrected. Parts could be used to convert Flyonel locomotives to scale and/or construct a totally different model from an American models locomotive.

                                                                                 Bob Lampe

                                                                                 Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81189 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
              I own a couple pair of the SMMW roller bearing trucks but have yet to find a special use for them.  I also own Ace, SHS, and AM roller bearing trucks; each is slightly different from the others, including truck bolster height, so some tinkering is often necessary.
              Ordinarily, there would be no reason not to use the Lionel trucks, replacing the bolsters and adjusting the wheel gage, but as you say the SMMW are closer 
              to your prototype, that is understandable.
              One caveat: I am not sure why you would want to epoxy your Kadees to the car.  My experience is that is a bad idea, as it will prevent your removing them
              for service (are you CERTAIN you'll never break a knuckle?  Or want to tinker with different springs?).  Epoxy is not always a permanent fix, either.  I strongly recommend tapping the holes in the car floor 0-80 (in preference to the coarse thread ones included with Kadees).  Much easier to detach if needed, and 
              I can't imagine machine screws coming out of tapped holes in any kind of service.  Whether you will want a spacer for them will depend on how your 
              SMMW trucks put the coupler height--sometimes it is easier to play with that than raising the car with washers between bolsters.
              As I recall with my AF/Lionel covered hoppers, the truck kingpins are a self-tapping metric screw (probably for faster unit assembly in the PRC), so I retapped them for 2-56.  Unhappily, there is not a lot of depth in the car floor to hold them (just barely enough, I found), and you will not want to drill and tap deeper, as the bolsters are located right under the car end and would be very visible. 

              Jace Kahn
              General Manager
              Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.


              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 4:50 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
               
               

              I have 4 of the Flyonel cylindrical hoppers with scale wheels. I purchased 4 pair of 100T Barber roller bearing trucks from Jim King at Smoky Mountain Model Works. I bought these trucks because they are closer to what the prototype I model uses. That prototype railroad is the Butte Anaconda & Pacific. Does anyone have any experience swapping trucks on these and/or adding Kadee couplers? I am thinking I can just epoxy the Kadee draft gear boxes to the underframe but I am not sure if I wiil need to change truck bolsters or if I can just use the stock ones as is? I thought that if the original truck mounting screw were too large in diameter I could epoxy in a short piece of plastruct tubing to make a screw mount for the new trucks. Anybody have any ideas or suggestions?

                                                                                  Bob Lampe

                                                                                  Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81190 From: John Degnan Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier

              Roy's "another S guy" may have been me... as I once tried to get everyone on the train so Don could justify producing a Evans Rack accessory to go on their GSC flat car.  But trying to wrangle the S community to support that project proved to be a pointless and wasted effort.


              I do, however, still have most of the material I came up with pertaining to that project... I even found the copyright concept drawings for the prototype car, which turned out to be a one-shot, experimental auto rack built on a NYC GATC flat car (VERY similar to the GSC flat).  (see attached pics)


              I thought I still had the dimensional drawings for the sides of the Evans rack... but I can't seem to find them now.



              John D

              Scaler164@...



              On February 4, 2019 at 3:39 PM Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:

              Speaking of special-run cars, I have always wanted an open auto carrier. 

              Several years ago another S guy and I tried our best to talk Don Thompson into it, but he and other manufactures apparently thought in was not commercially viable.

              Am I the only one?

              Roy inman


               

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81191 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier

              Yep, you were the other S guy. The originals from the 1950’s were a mere 60’ long, shorter than the old AF passenger cars, so I know they would negotiate 20” radius Flyer track.

              Roy Inman

               

               

              On 02/04/2019 07:03 PM, John Degnan wrote:

              Roy's "another S guy" may have been me... as I once tried to get everyone on the train so Don could justify producing a Evans Rack accessory to go on their GSC flat car.  But trying to wrangle the S community to support that project proved to be a pointless and wasted effort.

               

              I do, however, still have most of the material I came up with pertaining to that project... I even found the copyright concept drawings for the prototype car, which turned out to be a one-shot, experimental auto rack built on a NYC GATC flat car (VERY similar to the GSC flat).  (see attached pics)

               

              I thought I still had the dimensional drawings for the sides of the Evans rack... but I can't seem to find them now.

               

               

              John D

              Scaler164@...

               

               

              On February 4, 2019 at 3:39 PM Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:

              Speaking of special-run cars, I have always wanted an open auto carrier. 

              Several years ago another S guy and I tried our best to talk Don Thompson into it, but he and other manufactures apparently thought in was not commercially viable.

              Am I the only one?

              Roy inman


               


               

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81192 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: Back in the day
              Oh, I think she knew (thinking of MY ex-wife who hated anything I liked).

              I had numerous diagrams he made for me so as to build my own locomotives. Sadly my ex-wife tossed them out not knowing how priceless they were.

              Jace Kahn
              General Manager
              Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.



               

              I remember "back in the day" when a lot of guys scratch built what they needed. oine of the las was the late Jess Bennett of Careywood, Idaho. Jess had some of the most beautiful brass locomotives i have ever seen and he built them all himself using parts from S Scale Locomotive and supply. The boilers were made using brass tubing that was used for sink drains. Brass shim stock from auto parts stores was used to make boiler wrappers. Jess put a lot of hours building one particular model but the ends result was awesome. I had the good fortune of knowing Jess in the late 80's only a few years before he passed. I had numerous diagrams he made for me so as to build my own locomotives. Sadly my ex-wife tossed them out not knowing how priceless they were. Jess told me that Claude Wade who owned and started S scale Locomotive and Supply sold the business to Fred Rouse and then Claude passed away. Some time later Jess himself passed. The last I heard was that Fred Rouse sold the business but it is unknown to whom. I keep hoping that some day soon we will see S scale Locomotive and Supply resurrected. Parts could be used to convert Flyonel locomotives to scale and/or construct a totally different model from an American models locomotive.

                                                                                 Bob Lampe

                                                                                 Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81193 From: snstrains Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: Re: Back in the day
              Sam Rapp and I visited with and interviewed Jess just before he passed away. We did a video interview and it is the last of his life. We also did another quick take of his fabulous layout and locomotives that same day. Going to put it and some other stuff in "S-Gauge model Railroading" volume Vlll some day. Have just been to darn busy to get it done.

              Steve Blackburn
              S-n-S Trains
              Boise, Id.
              In a message dated 2/4/2019 5:49:05 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

               

               

              I remember "back in the day" when a lot of guys scratch built what they needed. oine of the las was the late Jess Bennett of Careywood, Idaho. Jess had some of the most beautiful brass locomotives i have ever seen and he built them all himself using parts from S Scale Locomotive and supply. The boilers were made using brass tubing that was used for sink drains. Brass shim stock from auto parts stores was used to make boiler wrappers. Jess put a lot of hours building one particular model but the ends result was awesome. I had the good fortune of knowing Jess in the late 80's only a few years before he passed. I had numerous diagrams he made for me so as to build my own locomotives. Sadly my ex-wife tossed them out not knowing how priceless they were. Jess told me that Claude Wade who owned and started S scale Locomotive and Supply sold the business to Fred Rouse and then Claude passed away.. Some time later Jess himself passed. The last I heard was that Fred Rouse sold the business but it is unknown to whom. I keep hoping that some day soon we will see S scale Locomotive and Supply resurrected. Parts could be used to convert Flyonel locomotives to scale and/or construct a totally different model from an American models locomotive.

                                                                                 Bob Lampe

                                                                                 Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81194 From: chuck_7612 Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
              The cars need no modification for kadees. They come ready for mounting.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81195 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
              As I think I tried to suggest, perhaps at such length as to become obscure, that would depend on which truck one uses, as they have differing bolster 
              heights.  Using Ben Trousdale's replacement truck bolsters with the original trucks does indeed allow attaching the Kadees directly to the car floor.
              I don't know about other roller bearing trucks, as I hadn't tried them.

              Jace Kahn
              General Manager
              Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.


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              Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 11:03 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
               
               

              The cars need no modification for kadees. They come ready for mounting.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81196 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: open auto carriers
              I don't know if you are more to the scale side of the hobby or not but a
              number of us in Badgerland have done the conversions of the Lionel open
              carriers. I will attempt to attach some pics, I will say for the most
              part we who have done this are high rail to Flyer folks. Two of these
              are early in the conversion process, the one pic with all 1955 Pontiacs
              is an example of how the cars look with specific model cars from one
              auto manufacturer. The cars length and width are very close to S gauge
              cars. Hope this may be of help.

              P.S. These cars are generally available at swap meets for reasonable
              prices, a car converted from O27 to S total cost with used Flyer trucks
              but no autos, around $20.00 to $25.00.

              Ray
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81197 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: Custom painting?

              One of my customers is looking to have an AF diecast K5 boiler shell stripped and repainted for PRR (black; Brunswick Green; and Rust-red cab roof). He already has a shell like this, but it has been damaged, so he wants his replacement shell painted.  Can anyone recommend someone who can do such a task?  It should not be a difficult paint job .  He is in PA, but it does not need to be someone near him.  ALL recommendations would be accepted and appreciated!

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81198 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: Re: Custom painting?
              Doug,
                  Try this guy, Mike Baker. https://tmbcustommodels.com/ A buddy of mine had some locomotives for different railroads painted and the guy did a terrific job. My buddy is also having him convert 2 diesels into electrics..The guy does good work. Check out his gallery. The Northern Pacific F unit is my buddy's
                                         Bob Lampe
                                         Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81199 From: Donald Keil Date: 2/6/2019
              Subject: Re: open auto carriers [2 Attachments]
              T done number of them and they run great on high rail but I love Mustangs
              Don

              On Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 11:40:10 AM EST, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


               


              I don't know if you are more to the scale side of the hobby or not but a
              number of us in Badgerland have done the conversions of the Lionel open
              carriers. I will attempt to attach some pics, I will say for the most
              part we who have done this are high rail to Flyer folks. Two of these
              are early in the conversion process, the one pic with all 1955 Pontiacs
              is an example of how the cars look with specific model cars from one
              auto manufacturer. The cars length and width are very close to S gauge
              cars. Hope this may be of help.

              P.S. These cars are generally available at swap meets for reasonable
              prices, a car converted from O27 to S total cost with used Flyer trucks
              but no autos, around $20.00 to $25.00.

              Ray
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81200 From: poniaj Date: 2/6/2019
              Subject: Re: Custom painting?
              Doug,

              I'm not volunteering, but to do the job right, the tender should be done at the same time to match the locomotive.  There are as many shades of Brunswick Green as there are people in S gauge!  I've also done a couple of these K5s, but I don't have that kind of time any more.

              Jerry Poniatowski
              Wayne, MI
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81201 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/6/2019
              Subject: Re: Custom painting?
              Jerry,
                  Not just Brunswick Green but every color on the spectrum. I remember back in about 71, just after Burlington Northern was formed from the merger, seeing a BN freight with 5 freshly painted locomotives, each must have been painted in a different shop, all having different shades of Cascades Green. I agree that the locomotive and tender should be painted at the same time. I too am bnot able to do the painting anymore that's why i will have Mike Baker at TMB Custom Models will do my painting
                                             Bob Lampe
                                             Kalispell, MT.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81202 From: David Date: 2/9/2019
              Subject: Concept Models
              Concept Models (http://www.con-sys.com/), Stockton, CA, seems to have discontinued their S line of kits. 

              A recent offering on ebay by seller 'coach_class' included the following text in the Item Description block:
               "Mfgr: Concept Models   
              Our company has dropped S Scale manufacturing. We are selling off some of the models created for advertising but have never been sold.....or advertised. This is a one-of-a-kind offering.              "                

              The item offered as a buy now sale was an assembled and painted advertising specimen of a Schnabel Car and Load kit in S, CPOX 820 with transformer load, without trucks.  I bought it.  A check of the Concept Models web site found it is being scrubbed of S content.  A few S buttons were still present but resulted in the annoying 404 message.  They are continuing their HO kit business. 

              I realize the number of S modelers is not huge.  Of those, the number of kit builders is smaller.  Of the kit builders, the number of repeat customers to a kit manufacturer is smaller yet.  I thank them giving S an honest try.  I have their IAPX 1028-37, 17300 gallon liquid Argon, Cryogenic Tank Car kit.  It was my first resin kit project.  I enjoyed building it. 

              Dave
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81203 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/21/2019
              Subject: Painting/weathering wheels

              A few days ago I had to make a trip to the VA medical Center at Fort Harrison, Montana about 4 hours east and slightly south of Kalispell. I usually take the DAV van so as to relax on the trip most of which is on secondary roads and there are no railroad tracks until you reach the small community of Avon, Montana The railroad runs between Helena, Montana and Missoula, Montana and also further east of Helena and west of Missoula. We had to stop at the grade crossing just out of Avon for an eastbound BNSF freight. The line, which is the old NP line is now MRL but BNSF has trackage rights. 

                  Anyway, I never really paid attention to the train until we got to the town of Elliston some 10 miles east of Avon. The BNSF freight took the siding and as we passed we had to slow while going through Elliston. I looked at the wheels on the freight cars and the wheels that were  being delivered and were on a flatcar and realized I been doing them wrong for years. The facing side of the wheels on the flatcar were rusty as you would expect from being in the elements but the wheels on the cars that were in use were not rusty. I would imagine that the back sides and axles were rusty but the wheel faces were, for a better description, grimy black. Oil and grease from the bearings was being flung on those wheels thus preventing rust. I would imagine locomotive wheels to be "grimy black" as well but I would also think the backs of locomotive wheels to also be "grimy black" due to the traction motors and lubrication of the gears. On our models it probably won't matter that much cause on the prototype you can't really tell unless you crawl under one when it is in the service bay. I'll pass on the chore. Ya learn something new every day.

                                                                                      Bob Lampe

                                                                                       Kalispell, Mt 
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81204 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/21/2019
              Subject: World's Greatest Hobby Show, Novi MI
              We, the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers, are setting our layout up at this show tomorrow, Friday.  It will be open to the public Saturday and Sunday.  Sew http://wghshow.com/nov2019/ for more details.  

              The location is 46100 Grand River Ave,  Novi, MI 48374.  If you're within driving distance, stop by.  All the really big model RR companies are expected to have representatives there.
              Tom Hawley
              Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81205 From: johntech Date: 2/21/2019
              Subject: Baldwin engine

              Hi guys

               

              I’m looking for a Baldwin engine with a non-working motor.  I have a new project that I’m working on

              and will be converting it over to dc then to dcc. I don’t need the shell, just the powered truck.

               

              you can contact me off line at johntech at bex dot net

               

              Thanks

               

              John Frankforther


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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81206 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Lionel & MTH

              Wish I could report better, but with only a week left for advance orders, I haven’t had a single order for one.

              In fact, only two reservations for ANY of the new engines announced.

               

              << While I really like the SD70ACe and ES44AC locos that Lionel has released, like Rich my stable of those is getting a bit large. But I really like the UP Spirit of the Union Pacific SD70ACe they have announced. A great loco with a message of support for our troops, it would make a great runner at shows and other exhibitions. And with the paint scheme being very new (2017), it may be one that has been seen..

               

              Here’s the info from UP 

              https://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/commemorative/1943-spirit/index.htm

               

              I hope there are enough orders for it to get made...

               

              Michael

               

              >>  

               

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
              doug@...
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              Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81207 From: dphobbies Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Fox Valley Model HR Turnouts Back in Stock

              Just a note to advise we have just received a new stock of the Fox Valley Models HR/American Flyer compatible #5 turnouts.  We should have all back orders shipped by the weekend.  We also have a good supply FVM flex track, rial joiners and terminal joiners.  These turnouts are code 138 rail and are fully compatible with SHS, MTH and Lionel Fastrack products. They are available on our web store www.desplaineshobbies.com or you may order from a human being by phone at Des Plaines Hobbies 1-847-297-2118


              Ron Sebastian

              Des Plaines Hobbies
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81208 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Lionel & MTH

              We (the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers) got back home this Sunday evening from a weekend running our layout at the World’s Greatest Hobby show in Novi (Detroit suburb) Michigan.. I talked to a representative of Lionel who remind me that even though something you might like is in the new catalog, it is not guaranteed to be made. If they don’t get enough reservations for any item by Fri 8 March, it will go the way of Lionel’s highly advertised SD 40-2 . (That means we’ll never see it.)  I found certain items in that catalog that I’d like to have, and I have so informed my favourite retailer who, I trust, is placing his orders with Lionel.

              I also talked to someone at the Mike’s Train House booth. They have some plans for future S gauge products, though nothing that they didn’t get from SHS. He mentioned an NW2. They have developed a circuit board for their O gauge 44-tonner which will also fit in the S gauge switcher. He mentioned other items I don’t recall now, but I’m sure the deal will be the same as with Lionel. When they put out the announcement, enough of us have to place our orders, or the items won’t get made.

              Tom Hawley - Lansing Michigan USA

               
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81209 From: scubadoo22 Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: test message
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81210 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Re: Lionel & MTH
              Thanks for the update Tom. Good news from mth about the switchers. Chris Burger


              On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:39 AM, 'Tom Hawley' t.hawley@... [S-Trains]
              <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
               

              We (the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers) got back home this Sunday evening from a weekend running our layout at the World’s Greatest Hobby show in Novi (Detroit suburb) Michigan.. I talked to a representative of Lionel who remind me that even though something you might like is in the new catalog, it is not guaranteed to be made. If they don’t get enough reservations for any item by Fri 8 March, it will go the way of Lionel’s highly advertised SD 40-2 . (That means we’ll never see it.)  I found certain items in that catalog that I’d like to have, and I have so informed my favourite retailer who, I trust, is placing his orders with Lionel.

              I also talked to someone at the Mike’s Train House booth. They have some plans for future S gauge products, though nothing that they didn’t get from SHS. He mentioned an NW2. They have developed a circuit board for their O gauge 44-tonner which will also fit in the S gauge switcher. He mentioned other items I don’t recall now, but I’m sure the deal will be the same as with Lionel. When they put out the announcement, enough of us have to place our orders, or the items won’t get made.

              Tom Hawley - Lansing Michigan USA

               
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81211 From: JOHN METZGER Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Re: test message
              I got this message. 

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81212 From: Edward Davis Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Re: test message
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81213 From: Mark Speichert Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Re: test message
              Test good

              On Monday, February 25, 2019, 3:53:31 PM CST, Edward Davis bigedirt5543@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


               

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81214 From: Scubadoo22 Date: 2/26/2019
              Subject: Re: test message
              Thanks all!

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81215 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/26/2019
              Subject: Diesels
              Hi all:
              Anyone have a diesel such as the SD70ACE (or similar six wheel trucks)
              in ATSF (or BNSR) warbonnet colors with AC, high rail capabilities that
              they are willing to part with?  Please contact off group with pertinent
              details.  Prefer with box in excellent condition.
              thanks
              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)
              ps Have US address for mailing diesel.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81216 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: San Diego S Gaugers' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout
              In August of 2012, we visited John Constans' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout on a layout tour. Little did we know that six years later, his widow would donate it to our club in his memory. We have transported it to the side room of our clubhouse, reinforced it, and created a new mount for it. We are now in the process of refurbishing it for public display. Check it out on the club's website:





              Bob Graves
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81217 From: bigsticks1@aol.com Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: Re: San Diego S Gaugers' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout
              Really happy for you all. What a great decision his widow made for the S group.




               
              In August of 2012, we visited John Constans' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout on a layout tour. Little did we know that six years later, his widow would donate it to our club in his memory. We have transported it to the side room of our clubhouse, reinforced it, and created a new mount for it.. We are now in the process of refurbishing it for public display. Check it out on the club's website:





              Bob Graves
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81218 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: diesels
              Hi all:
              Anyone have a diesel such as the SD70ACE (or similar six wheel trucks)
              in ATSF (or BNSR) warbonnet colors with AC, high rail capabilities that
              they are willing to sell?  Please contact me off line with pertinent
              details.  Prefer with box in excellent (like new?) looking and running
              condition.
              thanks
              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)
              ps I have US addresses for mailing diesel.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81219 From: EdSauers Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: Another Mail Car issue
              Group,
               
              I have a problem with my mail car, when it runs through a 720A switch it's arm is activating, the train enters the turnout from the frog end (switch set to through direction) the mail car arm activates when the pickup wheels contact the rails of the switch (just for a brief second but long enough to throw out the pouch it just picked up). runs through the same switch in the diverging route with no problems. what's strange is, if I remove the car and replace it sometimes it will go through the switch without activating the arm one or two times
               
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              ....but on the next pass through it starts again.
               
              Any thoughts?
               
              Thanks
               
              Ed Sauers
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81220 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Diesels

              Forwarded message

               

              D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

               

              From: S-Scale@... [mailto:S-Scale@...] On Behalf Of Bill Lane
              Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 5:49 PM
              To: S-Scale@...
              Subject: [S-Scale] Diesels

               

              Forwarding for Rance

               

              Would someone please send the following message to S-Trains@...? 

              I haven't been able to get it through to them! Guess I am not a

              member??  Maybe I missed the transfer many moons ago.  Thank you. 

              Possibly the 'owner' could register me as a member (please contact me

              off line)

              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

               

              Hi all:

              Anyone have a diesel such as the SD70ACE (or similar six wheel trucks)

              in ATSF (or BNSR) warbonnet colors with AC, high rail capabilities that

              they are willing to sell?  Please contact me off group with pertinent

              details.  Prefer with box in excellent (like new?) looking and running

              condition.

              thanks

              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

              ps I have US addresses for mailing diesel.

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81221 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] Diesels
              ----- Original Message -----
              Forwarding for Rance

              Would someone please send the following message to S-Trains@...?  I haven't been able to get it through to them! Guess I am not a member??  Maybe I missed the transfer many moons ago.  Thank you. 

              Possibly the 'owner' could register me as a member (please contact me off line)

              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                Hi all:

              Anyone have a diesel such as the SD70ACE (or similar six wheel trucks)  in ATSF (or BNSR) warbonnet colors with AC, high rail capabilities that they are willing to sell?  Please contact me off group with pertinent  details.  Prefer with box in excellent (like new?) looking and running condition.

              thanks

              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

              ps I have US addresses for mailing diesel.

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81222 From: poniaj Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
              It's possible that the bearing journals on the truck with the arm are worn enough to have the side frame contact a rail...  Difficult to say for sure.  Check the position of the metal wheels too.  Going one way makes it work and the other way, not.  Keep "base" and variable rails in their proper position.  Also, the car will not operate in both directions, only in the one where the mail post is wired correctly.  

              I could be wrong.  My wife usually tell me so.

              Jerry Poniatowski
              Wayne, MI
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81223 From: EdSauers Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
              Jerry,
               
              Ok, I look over the side frame and double check my wiring!!
               
              Thanks for the suggestions
               
              Ed S
               
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              ----- Original Message -----
              From: poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: 2/27/2019 6:30:45 PM
              Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another Mail Car issue
               

              It's possible that the bearing journals on the truck with the arm are worn enough to have the side frame contact a rail...  Difficult to say for sure.  Check the position of the metal wheels too.  Going one way makes it work and the other way, not.  Keep "base" and variable rails in their proper position.  Also, the car will not operate in both directions, only in the one where the mail post is wired correctly.  

              I could be wrong.  My wife usually tell me so.

              Jerry Poniatowski
              Wayne, MI
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81224 From: John Degnan Date: 3/2/2019
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier (one more time)
              Attachments :

                During this now-dormant discussion a short time back, I mentioned having once done a drawings of the side panels of the Evans Rack I was going to try to build to represent the NYC's one-shot Evans Auto Carrier car.  At that time I could not find that old drawing... but it just happened to rear it's ugly head today, so here it is.


                Bask ye all in the glory!!!... <ahem> see attachment.


                This side panel was designed to fit on the SHS GSC flat car.  I never got around to drawing the design for the top deck (which was essentially NOT a "deck" proper, but rather some sort of steel grid with car tire 'tracks' (ramps) attached, but I had/have a general idea for how it should have and probably looked.



                John Degnan

                Scaler164@...

                My wife texted me today and told me she missed me.  I hope her aim never improves!
                Group: S-Trains Message: 81225 From: John Degnan Date: 3/2/2019
                Subject: Wanted : AF Trains for Disabled Dad's Child
                Attachments :

                  To make a long story as short as possible...


                  My next-door neighbor's 8 year old grandson has been living with them for the past month while his dad has been going through some out-of-town medical cars due to injuries.  Luckily, the parents live near us so the child didn't have to change schools.  But the little guy has taken a fancy to my train collection beyond even what my own children have... so I'd like to put together a small collection of AF trains for him.  I already had about 7 or 8 freight cars that I bought for my children that they rarely play with, so I'm putting those in the package.  Those cars all had the Pikemaster trucks and couplers.  None of them had the knuckle couplers or the old hook type couplers.  I am also throwing in two motorless steam locos that I think I got from Doug at Port Lines a few years back for use as push (on the track) trains, but I'd like to also include a powered/operating loco of some sort.. steam or diesel... doesn't matter... but one of each would be nice.  If anyone out there has any spare, good condition AF cars you'd be willing to donate or sell at a really good (cheap) price to help with this effort, I'd like to hear from you.  I could also use some track and a power pack (transformer).  Loose stuff is fine.... no boxes needed... just no broken and/or worn out stuff please.  I bought the caboose in the attached photo for the package... this is the kind of stuff I'm looking for.


                  Thanks.



                  John Degnan

                  Scaler164@...
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81226 From: allscalerails Date: 3/3/2019
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                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81227 From: mmcconn12 Date: 3/3/2019
                  Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
                  Attachments :
                    Added an image of our club car.
                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81228 From: Douglas Miller Date: 3/3/2019
                    Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
                    So what is the cost?

                    On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 9:15 AM msmcconn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                     

                    Added an image of our club car.
                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81229 From: Mark Speichert Date: 3/3/2019
                    Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
                    Hello is it a Flyionel car or made by someone else?

                    On Sunday, March 3, 2019, 9:36:24 AM CST, Douglas Miller 3rrmiller@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                     

                    So what is the cost?

                    On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 9:15 AM msmcconn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                     

                    Added an image of our club car.
                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81230 From: Michael Date: 3/4/2019
                    Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
                    Answering all the questions to date.

                    Our car is being made for us by American Models, and is based on their current 3-bay covered hopper.  Up to April 1st, the cost of the car is $69.95, after that the price goes up to $79.75  Details of the car and price/shipping costs can be found on the announcement flyer here:   https://southjerseysgaugers.org/Projects/DupontCarOrderForm.pdf 
                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81231 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 3/4/2019
                    Subject: NYC 6 Car Autorack
                    Attachments :

                      Based on the comments of people here in the group, I have been putting together an NYC 6-car autorack.  Please see the attached photograph of the prototype, and the image of my rendition. It is based on patent drawings.  I have shown in the drawing a flat car.  It was not my intent to create a flat car, but can if the interest is high enough.  The flat car used is an SHS 53’ flat car.  

                       

                      The idea is to put together a kit of the autoloader, which would be easy to print as all flat shapes for the most part.  The question is – do I create a flat car for the autorack to sit upon?  Again, it would be based on prototype.

                       

                      Thanks

                       

                      Scott

                       

                      D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81232 From: EdSauers Date: 3/7/2019
                      Subject: AF 499 Horn Question
                      Group,
                       
                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?
                       
                      Thanks
                       
                      Ed Sauers
                       
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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81233 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/7/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question

                      Yes, you are correct.

                      Daryl


                      On 3/7/2019 4:43 PM, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Group,
                       
                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?
                       
                      Thanks
                       
                      Ed Sauers
                       
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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81234 From: EdSauers Date: 3/7/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
                      Daryl,
                       
                      Thanks.
                       
                      Ed
                       
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                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Daryl Olszeski jaytewilli@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: 3/7/2019 5:39:19 PM
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question
                       

                      Yes, you are correct.

                      Daryl


                      On 3/7/2019 4:43 PM, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Group,
                       
                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?
                       
                      Thanks
                       
                      Ed Sauers
                       
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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81235 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/7/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question

                      Good evening Ed.  I have a 708 horn generator.   I’ll check the condition tomorrow and let you know if it works.

                       

                      Take care.

                       

                      Bob

                       

                       

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]

                       

                      Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 3:43 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                       

                      Group,

                       

                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?

                       

                      Thanks

                       

                      Ed Sauers

                       

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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81236 From: EdSauers Date: 3/8/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
                      Bob,
                       
                      Any chance I can call you today or you can call me at 304-725-0331
                       
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                      Thanks
                       
                      Ed Sauers
                       
                       
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: 3/7/2019 8:59:34 PM
                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question
                       

                      Good evening Ed.  I have a 708 horn generator.   I’ll check the condition tomorrow and let you know if it works.

                      Take care.

                      Bob

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]

                      Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 3:43 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Group,

                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?

                      Thanks

                      Ed Sauers

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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81237 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/8/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question

                      Good evening Ed.  I just received your e-mail that was sent this morning at 11:32 am!  Can I call you tomorrow?  I do have a 708 diesel horn control.  I’m not sure if the generator works.

                       

                      I’ll call tomorrow morning after 10:00 am.

                       

                      Bob

                       

                       

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                      Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 11:32 AM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                       

                      Bob,

                       

                      Any chance I can call you today or you can call me at 304-725-0331

                       

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                      Thanks

                       

                      Ed Sauers

                       

                       

                      ----- Original Message -----

                      From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                      Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                      To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                      Sent: 3/7/2019 8:59:34 PM

                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Good evening Ed.  I have a 708 horn generator.   I’ll check the condition tomorrow and let you know if it works.

                      Take care.

                      Bob

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]


                      Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 3:43 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Group,

                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?

                      Thanks

                      Ed Sauers

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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81238 From: EdSauers Date: 3/8/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
                      Bob,
                       
                      That will be fine. 304-725-0331
                       
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                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: 3/8/2019 7:31:08 PM
                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question
                       

                      Good evening Ed..  I just received your e-mail that was sent this morning at 11:32 am!  Can I call you tomorrow?  I do have a 708 diesel horn control.  I’m not sure if the generator works.

                      I’ll call tomorrow morning after 10:00 am.

                      Bob

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                      Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 11:32 AM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Bob,

                      Any chance I can call you today or you can call me at 304-725-0331

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                      Thanks

                      Ed Sauers

                      ----- Original Message -----

                      From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                      Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                      To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com>

                      Sent: 3/7/2019 8:59:34 PM

                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Good evening Ed.  I have a 708 horn generator.   I’ll check the condition tomorrow and let you know if it works.

                      Take care.

                      Bob

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]


                      Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 3:43 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Group,

                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?

                      Thanks

                      Ed Sauers

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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81239 From: John Degnan Date: 3/16/2019
                      Subject: WANTED : Pacific Rail Shops KITS

                      WANTED : PACIFIC RAIL SHOPS kits


                      Kit # 354.2 - SEABOARD Box Car # 23212


                      Kit # 354.3 - SEABOARD Box Car # 23315


                      Contact me if you have either of these kits and are willing to part with them.


                      I only want the un-built KITS in their original boxes... not pre-assembled models.


                      I already have the other two kits in this series (354.1 and 354.4), so I don't need either of those.


                      (See attached photos for reference)



                      John D

                      Scaler164@...


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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81240 From: mmcconn12 Date: 3/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
                      I realized I answered this messages privately - but the answer would be relevant for everyone...

                      Until April 1st, the pre-order price is $69.95.  After that, the regular price will be $79.95
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81241 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/25/2019
                      Subject: Legal?

                      Is this even legal?  Unbelievable greed!

                       

                      <<< Hi,

                       

                      This is an outstanding offer for the Amherst Railway Society Railroad Hobby Show 2019 Exhibitors.

                      Would you be interested in acquiring the list of attendees for your marketing and sales initiatives.

                      This is an opportunity to acquire list of 20,350 attendees contact details for a robust marketing campaign which will eventually help you convert the compiled leads in to phenomenal sales deal.

                      Attendee’s Information fields: - Name, Company URL, Contact Name, Title, Phone number, Fax Number, Email Address, Company Address, Industry type etc...

                      Let me know your thoughts so that I can send cost & additional information.

                      Best Regards,

                      Claire Taylor

                      Marketing and Communications   

                      >>>  

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted..

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81242 From: n6ojj Date: 3/25/2019
                      Subject: Re: Legal?
                      Was a ‘Privacy Policy’, or similar posted on the website or registration packet?  If not, that absence may be their ‘permission’.  Caveat emptor.  

                      Dave McBrayer 
                      Castro Valley, CA 


                      Sent from my iPad

                      On Mar 25, 2019, at 15:57, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      Is this even legal?  Unbelievable greed!

                       

                      <<< Hi,

                       

                      This is an outstanding offer for the Amherst Railway Society Railroad Hobby Show 2019 Exhibitors.

                      Would you be interested in acquiring the list of attendees for your marketing and sales initiatives.

                      This is an opportunity to acquire list of 20,350 attendees contact details for a robust marketing campaign which will eventually help you convert the compiled leads in to phenomenal sales deal.

                      Attendee’s Information fields: - Name, Company URL, Contact Name, Title, Phone number, Fax Number, Email Address, Company Address, Industry type etc...

                      Let me know your thoughts so that I can send cost & additional information.

                      Best Regards,

                      Claire Taylor

                      Marketing and Communications   

                      >>>  

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted..

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81243 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/25/2019
                      Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Legal?

                      Thanks, Scott.

                      Makes sense, and the thought did cross my mind. But I’d never received it before, so I gave it a little “space”.

                      Besides, I didn’t put it past the Amherst Show folks to actually do it.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted..

                       

                      From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of D. Scott MacKenzie via Groups.Io
                      Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 7:35 PM
                      To: S-Scale@...
                      Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Legal?

                       

                      Doug:

                       

                      I get these all the time.  Mostly from conferences and other things that I have attended for work.  It is bogus and probably most have never attended the show/conference or exhibition.  The have a list, or maybe not, and trying to get you to part with money to create a marketing campaign using their list of names.

                       

                      However, one conference I attended had approximately300 attendees, and maybe 10 exhibitors.  They tried to sell me a list of 5000 people that attended this event.  It is ascam and completely bogus..

                       

                      Scott

                       

                      D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

                       

                      From: S-Scale@... [mailto:S-Scale@...] On Behalf Of Doug Peck
                      Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 6:57 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@...
                      Subject: [S-Scale] Legal?

                       

                      Is this even legal?  Unbelievable greed!

                       

                      <<< Hi,

                       

                      This is an outstanding offer for the Amherst Railway Society Railroad Hobby Show 2019 Exhibitors.

                      Would you be interested in acquiring the list of attendees for your marketing and sales initiatives.

                      This is an opportunity to acquire list of 20,350 attendees contact details for a robust marketing campaign which will eventually help you convert the compiled leads in to phenomenal sales deal.

                      Attendee’s Information fields: - Name, Company URL, Contact Name, Title, Phone number, Fax Number, Email Address, Company Address, Industry type etc..

                      Let me know your thoughts so that I can send cost & additional information.

                      Best Regards,

                      Claire Taylor

                      Marketing and Communications   

                      >>>  

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                       


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                      Port Lines Hobby
                      www.portlines.com

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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81244 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/25/2019
                      Subject: Re: Legal?

                      Living out on the west coast, I am not familiar with this show, but it is the information of the attendees, not the exhibitors they are giving out.   That is a lot of information that they list and I wonder how they collect it from an attendee.  Maybe this is not a "pay your money and walk in" type of show.  I would bet it is included in a "registration form."  Maybe they have a prize drawing for which they say they want this information.  Perhaps that is the inducement to get the information.  Again, probably no privacy policy stated or they may even say that the information "may be used by us and our 'associated companies."

                      A lot of what is legal can still be reprehensible.  I was always told that you need to watch out for lawyers who keep the Canons of Ethics on their desks.   It is not that they are the most ethical, but rather they need to keep the book handy to see how close they can come to the line.

                      Dale Smith

                      On 3/25/2019 3:57 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Is this even legal?  Unbelievable greed!

                       

                      <<< Hi,

                       

                      This is an outstanding offer for the Amherst Railway Society Railroad Hobby Show 2019 Exhibitors.

                      Would you be interested in acquiring the list of attendees for your marketing and sales initiatives.

                      This is an opportunity to acquire list of 20,350 attendees contact details for a robust marketing campaign which will eventually help you convert the compiled leads in to phenomenal sales deal.

                      Attendee’s Information fields: - Name, Company URL, Contact Name, Title, Phone number, Fax Number, Email Address, Company Address, Industry type etc...

                      Let me know your thoughts so that I can send cost & additional information.

                      Best Regards,

                      Claire Taylor

                      Marketing and Communications   

                      >>>  

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted..

                       


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