Messages in S-Trains group. Page 1 of 1.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81096 From: alansherryb Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Memories of Christmas past. Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81097 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: AF 220v Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 81098 From: njma41 Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Wrap for a 336 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 81099 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Memories of Christmas past. Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81100 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: AF 220v Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 81101 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: AF 220v Transformer
Group: S-Trains Message: 81102 From: snstrains Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 81103 From: Matthew Guy Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81104 From: njma41 Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 81105 From: dockside98 Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81106 From: farmboy_k Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: AF SD70ACe Cdn Cyl Hoppers wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 81107 From: snstrains Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
Group: S-Trains Message: 81108 From: snstrains Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81109 From: George Cohn Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81110 From: whtrainman Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81111 From: richs009 Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81112 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81113 From: EdSauers Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81114 From: richs009 Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81115 From: EdSauers Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81116 From: racin510 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81117 From: richs009 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81118 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81119 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: AF SD70ACe Cdn Cyl Hoppers wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 81120 From: EdSauers Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Group: S-Trains Message: 81121 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81122 From: Carl and Kathy Rudolph Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81123 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81124 From: Bob Moyer Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: American Flyer on TV
Group: S-Trains Message: 81125 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81126 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81127 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81128 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81129 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81130 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81131 From: Polichar Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81132 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/11/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81133 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/11/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81134 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/11/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81135 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81136 From: mleahy68 Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81137 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81138 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81139 From: Tom Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81140 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/14/2019
Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81141 From: race944t Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81142 From: Ted Walton Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Repair of AF 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 81143 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81144 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81145 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81146 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: Repair of AF 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains Message: 81147 From: Brett Schormann Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81148 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81149 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81150 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81151 From: richs009 Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81152 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: led's
Group: S-Trains Message: 81153 From: Mike Leahy Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: Trainminder Program Solved
Group: S-Trains Message: 81154 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81155 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81156 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/18/2019
Subject: Re: led's
Group: S-Trains Message: 81157 From: hhisgauger Date: 1/20/2019
Subject: New Lionel Catalogue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81158 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/20/2019
Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
Group: S-Trains Message: 81159 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/20/2019
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81160 From: crossing5423 Date: 1/20/2019
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81161 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/20/2019
Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81162 From: EdSauers Date: 1/21/2019
Subject: 770 wiring question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81163 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/21/2019
Subject: Re: 770 wiring question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81164 From: EdSauers Date: 1/21/2019
Subject: Re: 770 wiring question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81165 From: alsflyer Date: 1/29/2019
Subject: Passing of the Founder of the Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club
Group: S-Trains Message: 81166 From: mmcconn12 Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemorativ
Group: S-Trains Message: 81167 From: EdSauers Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81168 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81169 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81170 From: EdSauers Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81171 From: Alan Smith Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81172 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/30/2019
Subject: NASG Greeley's Place Contest
Group: S-Trains Message: 81173 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains Message: 81174 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81175 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81176 From: n6ojj Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81177 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81178 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81179 From: Michael Strickland Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81180 From: racin510 Date: 1/31/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81181 From: John Keating Date: 2/1/2019
Subject: Re: electrical question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81182 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Looking for leads on S Helper 35ft semi trailers for s
Group: S-Trains Message: 81183 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Looking for Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 81184 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Open auto carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 81185 From: Edward Davis Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: Open auto carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 81186 From: snstrains Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyonel Big Boy
Group: S-Trains Message: 81187 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81188 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Back in the day
Group: S-Trains Message: 81189 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81190 From: John Degnan Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 81191 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier
Group: S-Trains Message: 81192 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/4/2019
Subject: Re: Back in the day
Group: S-Trains Message: 81193 From: snstrains Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: Re: Back in the day
Group: S-Trains Message: 81194 From: chuck_7612 Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81195 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81196 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: open auto carriers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81197 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: Custom painting?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81198 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/5/2019
Subject: Re: Custom painting?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81199 From: Donald Keil Date: 2/6/2019
Subject: Re: open auto carriers [2 Attachments]
Group: S-Trains Message: 81200 From: poniaj Date: 2/6/2019
Subject: Re: Custom painting?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81201 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/6/2019
Subject: Re: Custom painting?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81202 From: David Date: 2/9/2019
Subject: Concept Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 81203 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/21/2019
Subject: Painting/weathering wheels
Group: S-Trains Message: 81204 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/21/2019
Subject: World's Greatest Hobby Show, Novi MI
Group: S-Trains Message: 81205 From: johntech Date: 2/21/2019
Subject: Baldwin engine
Group: S-Trains Message: 81206 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Lionel & MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 81207 From: dphobbies Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Fox Valley Model HR Turnouts Back in Stock
Group: S-Trains Message: 81208 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Lionel & MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 81209 From: scubadoo22 Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: test message
Group: S-Trains Message: 81210 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel & MTH
Group: S-Trains Message: 81211 From: JOHN METZGER Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Re: test message
Group: S-Trains Message: 81212 From: Edward Davis Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Re: test message
Group: S-Trains Message: 81213 From: Mark Speichert Date: 2/25/2019
Subject: Re: test message
Group: S-Trains Message: 81214 From: Scubadoo22 Date: 2/26/2019
Subject: Re: test message
Group: S-Trains Message: 81215 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/26/2019
Subject: Diesels
Group: S-Trains Message: 81216 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: San Diego S Gaugers' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81217 From: bigsticks1@aol.com Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: Re: San Diego S Gaugers' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81218 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: diesels
Group: S-Trains Message: 81219 From: EdSauers Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81220 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Diesels
Group: S-Trains Message: 81221 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] Diesels
Group: S-Trains Message: 81222 From: poniaj Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81223 From: EdSauers Date: 2/27/2019
Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81224 From: John Degnan Date: 3/2/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier (one more time)
Group: S-Trains Message: 81225 From: John Degnan Date: 3/2/2019
Subject: Wanted : AF Trains for Disabled Dad's Child
Group: S-Trains Message: 81226 From: allscalerails Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: All Scale Rails Issue #22 2019
Group: S-Trains Message: 81227 From: mmcconn12 Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
Group: S-Trains Message: 81228 From: Douglas Miller Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
Group: S-Trains Message: 81229 From: Mark Speichert Date: 3/3/2019
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
Group: S-Trains Message: 81230 From: Michael Date: 3/4/2019
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
Group: S-Trains Message: 81231 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 3/4/2019
Subject: NYC 6 Car Autorack
Group: S-Trains Message: 81232 From: EdSauers Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81233 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81234 From: EdSauers Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81235 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/7/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81236 From: EdSauers Date: 3/8/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81237 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/8/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81238 From: EdSauers Date: 3/8/2019
Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
Group: S-Trains Message: 81239 From: John Degnan Date: 3/16/2019
Subject: WANTED : Pacific Rail Shops KITS
Group: S-Trains Message: 81240 From: mmcconn12 Date: 3/20/2019
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
Group: S-Trains Message: 81241 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/25/2019
Subject: Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81242 From: n6ojj Date: 3/25/2019
Subject: Re: Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81243 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/25/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81244 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/25/2019
Subject: Re: Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81245 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 3/25/2019
Subject: Re: Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81246 From: bobgarm Date: 3/26/2019
Subject: SHS/MTH S-Trax #3 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains Message: 81247 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/26/2019
Subject: York Show----We've Moved !
Group: S-Trains Message: 81248 From: Lee Brown Date: 3/27/2019
Subject: Re: Legal?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81249 From: dphobbies Date: 3/27/2019
Subject: Des Plaines Hobbies Freight Car 40% Off Sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81250 From: Fred Alles Date: 3/29/2019
Subject: Change of email address
Group: S-Trains Message: 81251 From: carl4flyer Date: 3/29/2019
Subject: Re: Change of email address
Group: S-Trains Message: 81252 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 4/2/2019
Subject: Lionel Amer Flyer Ringling Bros. searchlight car
Group: S-Trains Message: 81253 From: bobville Date: 4/2/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Amer Flyer Ringling Bros. searchlight car
Group: S-Trains Message: 81254 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/4/2019
Subject: New "American Flyer" by Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 81255 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/4/2019
Subject: Re: New "American Flyer" by Lionel
Group: S-Trains Message: 81256 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/7/2019
Subject: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81257 From: Edward Davis Date: 4/7/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81258 From: americanflyer Date: 4/8/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81259 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/8/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81260 From: Howin Date: 4/8/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81261 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/9/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81262 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/15/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81263 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/15/2019
Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
Group: S-Trains Message: 81264 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Snow Blower
Group: S-Trains Message: 81265 From: Thomas Westhelle Date: 4/23/2019
Subject: Re: Snow Blower
Group: S-Trains Message: 81266 From: nsupbnsf@juno.com Date: 4/24/2019
Subject: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81267 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 4/24/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81268 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/24/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81269 From: Alan Smith Date: 4/24/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81270 From: snstrains Date: 4/24/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81271 From: Howin Date: 4/25/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81272 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81273 From: racin510 Date: 4/26/2019
Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81274 From: David Dewey Date: 4/27/2019
Subject: Mail car activation
Group: S-Trains Message: 81275 From: dphobbies Date: 4/27/2019
Subject: Tank and Hopper Car Sale Ending Soon
Group: S-Trains Message: 81276 From: Alan C. Udy Date: 4/27/2019
Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
Group: S-Trains Message: 81277 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 4/27/2019
Subject: S-'n-S Trains closure
Group: S-Trains Message: 81278 From: nsupbnsf@juno.com Date: 4/28/2019
Subject: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81279 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/28/2019
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closure
Group: S-Trains Message: 81280 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/29/2019
Subject: SnS Trains closing
Group: S-Trains Message: 81281 From: John Davis Date: 4/29/2019
Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81282 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81283 From: racin510 Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81284 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/3/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81285 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81286 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/4/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81287 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81288 From: mmcconn12 Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers 30th Anniversary car update
Group: S-Trains Message: 81289 From: pamgb1963 Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: 27mm gauge track.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81290 From: racin510 Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81291 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Re: 27mm gauge track.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81292 From: snstrains Date: 5/5/2019
Subject: Re: 27mm gauge track.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81294 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/6/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81295 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/6/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81296 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/7/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81297 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/14/2019
Subject: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81298 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/14/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81299 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/14/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81300 From: JAMES ENSIGN Date: 5/15/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81301 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/15/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81302 From: rick gough Date: 5/15/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81303 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/16/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81304 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/16/2019
Subject: Berkshire power pickup
Group: S-Trains Message: 81305 From: Howin Date: 5/16/2019
Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
Group: S-Trains Message: 81306 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/16/2019
Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
Group: S-Trains Message: 81307 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
Group: S-Trains Message: 81308 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
Group: S-Trains Message: 81309 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Flyer Chief Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81310 From: Tom Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Chief Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81311 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Chief Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81312 From: Tom Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Chief Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81313 From: mleahy68 Date: 5/19/2019
Subject: Classic Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains Message: 81314 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/19/2019
Subject: Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81315 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/19/2019
Subject: Re: Berks
Group: S-Trains Message: 81316 From: poniaj Date: 5/19/2019
Subject: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81317 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81318 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81319 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81320 From: Tom Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81321 From: poniaj Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81322 From: Tom Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81323 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81324 From: Douglas Miller Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81325 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: More Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81326 From: poniaj Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81327 From: Tom Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81328 From: poniaj Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: More Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81329 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81330 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains Message: 81331 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha [3 Attachments]
Group: S-Trains Message: 81332 From: sgaugian Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
Group: S-Trains Message: 81333 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81334 From: sgaugian Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81335 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81336 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81337 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/23/2019
Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains Message: 81338 From: hhisgauger Date: 5/27/2019
Subject: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 81339 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/28/2019
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Digest Number 7826
Group: S-Trains Message: 81340 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/30/2019
Subject: Re: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 81341 From: hhisgauger Date: 5/31/2019
Subject: Re: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 81342 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/31/2019
Subject: Re: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
Group: S-Trains Message: 81343 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/11/2019
Subject: Re: 751 Plunger
Group: S-Trains Message: 81344 From: Kyle Date: 6/17/2019
Subject: Re: AM GG1 marking removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81345 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 6/18/2019
Subject: Re: AM GG1 marking removal
Group: S-Trains Message: 81346 From: Tom Hawley Date: 6/19/2019
Subject: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81347 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/19/2019
Subject: Re: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81348 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 6/20/2019
Subject: Re: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81349 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/20/2019
Subject: Re: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81350 From: Ken Christiansen Date: 6/20/2019
Subject: Re: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81351 From: Kyle Date: 6/20/2019
Subject: Re: Viewing stand
Group: S-Trains Message: 81352 From: dockside98 Date: 6/21/2019
Subject: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 81353 From: attic02 Date: 6/21/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 81354 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 6/21/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 81355 From: Edward Davis Date: 6/22/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 81356 From: racin510 Date: 6/22/2019
Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
Group: S-Trains Message: 81357 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 6/28/2019
Subject: Central Coast Railroad Festival (Calif.) - Show Your Railroad
Group: S-Trains Message: 81358 From: attic02 Date: 6/28/2019
Subject: CHEAP BIG KW 190 WATT TRANSFORMER BY LIONEL 1950'S
Group: S-Trains Message: 81359 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 7/6/2019
Subject: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81360 From: tennsgauge Date: 7/6/2019
Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81361 From: snstrains Date: 7/6/2019
Subject: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81362 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 7/6/2019
Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81363 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81364 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81365 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81366 From: Edward Davis Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81367 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: Re: B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81368 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 7/8/2019
Subject: Re: B units
Group: S-Trains Message: 81369 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/10/2019
Subject: Spiral Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81370 From: gartrain404 Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Re: Spiral Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81371 From: johntech Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Re: Spiral Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81372 From: Ron Petersen Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Re: Spiral Train Layout
Group: S-Trains Message: 81373 From: Fred Alles Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Was there a 310 SIT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81374 From: Bruce DeGailler Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Re: Was there a 310 SIT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81375 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/11/2019
Subject: Re: Was there a 310 SIT?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81376 From: carl4flyer Date: 7/13/2019
Subject: FW: Big Boy "surges"
Group: S-Trains Message: 81377 From: carl4flyer Date: 7/13/2019
Subject: Re: FW: Big Boy "surges"
Group: S-Trains Message: 81378 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/14/2019
Subject: SHS caboose wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 81379 From: Batman Date: 7/15/2019
Subject: Re: SHS caboose wanted
Group: S-Trains Message: 81380 From: wyoaf Date: 7/22/2019
Subject: Big Boy Surges
Group: S-Trains Message: 81381 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/22/2019
Subject: Re: Big Boy Surges
Group: S-Trains Message: 81382 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/22/2019
Subject: Re: Big Boy Surges
Group: S-Trains Message: 81383 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Train Kite
Group: S-Trains Message: 81384 From: daleminard Date: 8/5/2019
Subject: Looking for copies to borrow of the S/SN3 Modeling Guide Magazine
Group: S-Trains Message: 81385 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/7/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 81386 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 8/7/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 81387 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 81388 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: BIG BOY & TRACK?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81389 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: BIG BOY & TRACK?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81390 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: BIG BOY & TRACK?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81391 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian
Group: S-Trains Message: 81392 From: snstrains Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: BIG BOY & TRACK?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81393 From: rxman46321 Date: 8/11/2019
Subject: Blatant ad. - Turntable
Group: S-Trains Message: 81394 From: EdSauers Date: 8/15/2019
Subject: For Sale SHS Southern RR 2-8-0 Hi-Rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81395 From: dockside98 Date: 8/15/2019
Subject: For Sale - SHS Southern RR Hi-Rail 2-8-0 with DCC Sounds AF Compatib
Group: S-Trains Message: 81396 From: dockside98 Date: 8/15/2019
Subject: American Models DC Hi-Rail FP7 Chassis for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81397 From: dockside98 Date: 8/15/2019
Subject: Re: For Sale - SHS Southern RR Hi-Rail 2-8-0 with DCC Sounds AF Comp
Group: S-Trains Message: 81398 From: rxman46321 Date: 8/17/2019
Subject: For Sale - Hi rail diesel wheelsets
Group: S-Trains Message: 81399 From: dockside98 Date: 8/22/2019
Subject: For Sale * AF Track 50 Curve Sections
Group: S-Trains Message: 81400 From: dockside98 Date: 8/22/2019
Subject: For Sale * AM Diesel HI-Rail Wheelsets with "D" bearings
Group: S-Trains Message: 81401 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81402 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81403 From: herbw202 Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81404 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81405 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81406 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81407 From: sgaugian Date: 8/25/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81408 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/26/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81409 From: fredlubb Date: 8/26/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81410 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/26/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81411 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/26/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81412 From: David Winslow (Dad) Date: 8/27/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81413 From: Ray Puls Date: 8/27/2019
Subject: Dead rail
Group: S-Trains Message: 81414 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/27/2019
Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
Group: S-Trains Message: 81415 From: dphobbies Date: 8/29/2019
Subject: New Air, MU, Signal Hoses from Des Plaines Hobbies
Group: S-Trains Message: 81416 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/29/2019
Subject: Re: New Air, MU, Signal Hoses from Des Plaines Hobbies
Group: S-Trains Message: 81417 From: dphobbies Date: 8/30/2019
Subject: Re: New Air, MU, Signal Hoses from Des Plaines Hobbies
Group: S-Trains Message: 81418 From: allscalerails Date: 9/1/2019
Subject: All Scale Rails Issue #23 2019
Group: S-Trains Message: 81419 From: dphobbies Date: 9/2/2019
Subject: LABOR DAY FLASH SALE
Group: S-Trains Message: 81420 From: dockside98 Date: 9/5/2019
Subject: Looking for a few items
Group: S-Trains Message: 81421 From: Edward Davis Date: 9/6/2019
Subject: Re: Looking for a few items
Group: S-Trains Message: 81422 From: dockside98 Date: 9/7/2019
Subject: For Sale Used original Soundtraxx Alco 827104 (Alco 244) and Soundtr
Group: S-Trains Message: 81423 From: attic02 Date: 9/12/2019
Subject: BNSF 2020 CATALOG AND THEIR TRAIN LAYOUT.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81424 From: Tony Cynor Date: 9/15/2019
Subject: Re: BNSF 2020 CATALOG AND THEIR TRAIN LAYOUT.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81425 From: dockside98 Date: 9/15/2019
Subject: Need help identifing sound board
Group: S-Trains Message: 81426 From: dockside98 Date: 9/15/2019
Subject: Re: For Sale Used original Soundtraxx Alco 827104 (Alco 244) and Sou
Group: S-Trains Message: 81427 From: dockside98 Date: 9/16/2019
Subject: Looking for a AM F7B chassis
Group: S-Trains Message: 81428 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/17/2019
Subject: Ted Hamler is Missing
Group: S-Trains Message: 81429 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/17/2019
Subject: Re: Ted Hamler is Missing
Group: S-Trains Message: 81430 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/17/2019
Subject: Re: Ted Hamler is Missing
Group: S-Trains Message: 81431 From: Howin Date: 9/19/2019
Subject: OPEN HOUSE - York Week at TTU Hanover
Group: S-Trains Message: 81432 From: hhisgauger Date: 9/22/2019
Subject: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81433 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81434 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81435 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81436 From: Thomas Kaufman Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81437 From: Tom Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81438 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 9/23/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81439 From: Stephen Terni Date: 9/24/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81440 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/24/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81441 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 9/24/2019
Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
Group: S-Trains Message: 81443 From: Howin Date: 10/1/2019
Subject: OPEN HOUSE - York Week Date Corrected WEDNESDAY - October 16, 2019
Group: S-Trains Message: 81444 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 10/5/2019
Subject: Loss of Ron Sebastion
Group: S-Trains Message: 81445 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/12/2019
Subject: S Scale layout for sale.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81446 From: Edward Musil Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81447 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81448 From: George Cohn Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81449 From: George Cohn Date: 10/16/2019
Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate
Group: S-Trains Message: 81450 From: John Degnan Date: 10/17/2019
Subject: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81451 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81452 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81453 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81454 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81455 From: poniaj Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81456 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81457 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81458 From: Stan Stokrocki Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81459 From: sp4149 Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81460 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81461 From: attic02 Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81462 From: poniaj Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81463 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81464 From: johntech Date: 10/18/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81465 From: Rick Date: 10/19/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81466 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/19/2019
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81467 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/19/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81468 From: Edward Davis Date: 10/20/2019
Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81469 From: CHARLES HANCOCK Date: 10/23/2019
Subject: New group
Group: S-Trains Message: 81470 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/23/2019
Subject: Changes to Yahoo Groups
Group: S-Trains Message: 81471 From: Edward Davis Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: Re: New group
Group: S-Trains Message: 81472 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: Re: New group
Group: S-Trains Message: 81473 From: race944t Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: New Group e-mail summary
Group: S-Trains Message: 81474 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: Re: New group
Group: S-Trains Message: 81475 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary
Group: S-Trains Message: 81476 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/24/2019
Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary
Group: S-Trains Message: 81477 From: race944t Date: 10/25/2019
Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary
Group: S-Trains Message: 81478 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/25/2019
Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary
Group: S-Trains Message: 81479 From: Batman Date: 10/29/2019
Subject: Pine Canyon Models Industry Kits
Group: S-Trains Message: 81480 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/19/2019
Subject: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81481 From: Carl and Kathy Rudolph Date: 11/19/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81482 From: Dennis Back Date: 11/19/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81483 From: Edward Davis Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81484 From: attic02 Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81485 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81486 From: Richard Mingo Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81487 From: tommcindc Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81488 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81489 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81490 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81491 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81492 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Fans-Our S-trains archives are disappearin
Group: S-Trains Message: 81493 From: Ralph Kestler Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Still on site
Group: S-Trains Message: 81494 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/20/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81495 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81496 From: Bob Hannon Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81497 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81498 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81499 From: snstrains Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81500 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81501 From: rick.flaherty Date: 11/21/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81502 From: John Degnan Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: WANTED : SHS 01261 NW2 unlettered black
Group: S-Trains Message: 81503 From: George Cohn Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Flyerville Windows
Group: S-Trains Message: 81504 From: Rick Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: Flyerville Windows
Group: S-Trains Message: 81505 From: Charles Hancock Date: 12/1/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81506 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81507 From: Edward Davis Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: Re: Flyerville Windows
Group: S-Trains Message: 81508 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81509 From: EdSauers Date: 12/2/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81510 From: chuck_7612 Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81511 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: SHS steamers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81512 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SHS steamers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81513 From: Fred Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81514 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SHS steamers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81515 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81516 From: afjeff_56 Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81517 From: tennsgauger Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans (WHY ARE WE GETTING THESE MESSAGES?)
Group: S-Trains Message: 81518 From: EdSauers Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81519 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81520 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81521 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
Group: S-Trains Message: 81522 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 12/3/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans (WHY ARE WE GETTING THESE MESSAGES?)
Group: S-Trains Message: 81523 From: Bob Moyer Date: 12/5/2019
Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
Group: S-Trains Message: 81524 From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net Date: 12/5/2019
Subject: flyer
Group: S-Trains Message: 81525 From: race944t Date: 12/6/2019
Subject: Re: Digest Number 7889
Group: S-Trains Message: 81526 From: snstrains Date: 12/6/2019
Subject: Re: flyer


Group: S-Trains Message: 81096 From: alansherryb Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Memories of Christmas past. Question
Hello Friends,

Sorry for the late post on this topic, but we have been traveling over the holidays, and I have not been keeping up on these messages.

I have posted the story of my first Christmas trains on this group a couple of times in the past, but the train I always wanted and never got as a kid was the Gilbert American Flyer Silver Flash Alco passenger set. That A-B unit streamliner was my holy grail growing up even though my Dad had bought the Comet set early on.

I never got one “back in the day,” and never found a Gilbert version cheap enough and in good enough condition when I returned to toy trains in the 1970s, so in the mid-1990s, I bought a mint and factory sealed in the box, Lionel AF Silver Flash set at a TCA convention. Not having a permanent layout, I stored it until I “rediscovered” it over a decade later. It then made its debut on the S gauge loops at the Christmas open house at our TCA/TTOS clubhouse. Still my favorite streamliner!

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 81097 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: AF 220v Transformer

I’ve had an inquiry from someone who is moving to a country with a 220-volt system, and is looking for one of those 220v transformers that Gilbert made for export.

Anyone have a good one for sale, or have any leads?

 

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

 
Group: S-Trains Message: 81098 From: njma41 Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Wrap for a 336 Northern

I have been trying to buy a Wrap for my 336 Northern, and I haven't been able to find one Reasonable  Nick

Group: S-Trains Message: 81099 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Memories of Christmas past. Question
Alan,
  Not a problem.  I posted this question simultaneously on three lists, two were groups.io list and this lone YahooGroups list.
This YG list posted my question three days after the groups.io lists so I can't really chastise any slow replies given
how slow YG was in posting my original question. All but two of the lists I subscribe have left YG in the last year.  
The lists on YG appear more stable the last few months, but groups.io was such a big improvement that I haven't been
paying much attention to little issues like posting messages or pics on a YG list.  

  Since my Christmas Train memory was about an  AF 4-4-2 set I got for Christmas over 60 years ago, I was disappointed when it didn't immediately post
on the YG list.  It was gratifying to see that others shared my early AF under the tree memories. even if delayed by the YG response.
I did eventually get a well used Santa  Fe PA/A set although now I might trade it in on an American Models set...

ken clark


-----Original Message-----
From: alansherry@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2019 12:06 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Memories of Christmas past. Question

 
Hello Friends,

Sorry for the late post on this topic, but we have been traveling over the holidays, and I have not been keeping up on these messages.

I have posted the story of my first Christmas trains on this group a couple of times in the past, but the train I always wanted and never got as a kid was the Gilbert American Flyer Silver Flash Alco passenger set. That A-B unit streamliner was my holy grail growing up even though my Dad had bought the Comet set early on.

I never got one “back in the day,” and never found a Gilbert version cheap enough and in good enough condition when I returned to toy trains in the 1970s, so in the mid-1990s, I bought a mint and factory sealed in the box, Lionel AF Silver Flash set at a TCA convention. Not having a permanent layout, I stored it until I “rediscovered” it over a decade later. It then made its debut on the S gauge loops at the Christmas open house at our TCA/TTOS clubhouse. Still my favorite streamliner!

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR
Group: S-Trains Message: 81100 From: Carey Probst Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: AF 220v Transformer

Probably a lot more convenient and efficient to just by one of the voltage converters for Europe.

I used to travel with one whenever I was making the Euro. trips for Oracle.

Better and cheaper now than then, from Amazon.

https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_5_8?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=voltage+converter+220+to+110&sprefix=voltage+%2Caps%2C271&crid=1EG8JMKYC57M5

On 1/1/2019 8:22 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:
 

I’ve had an inquiry from someone who is moving to a country with a 220-volt system, and is looking for one of those 220v transformers that Gilbert made for export.

Anyone have a good one for sale, or have any leads?

 

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

 

-- 
Carey Probst
Chief MicroFerroEquinologist
Pennsyltucky RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 81101 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: AF 220v Transformer
Go to walmart. By the luggage they carry converters and in the electronics dept. 


On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 4:43 PM, Carey Probst s-scale@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Probably a lot more convenient and efficient to just by one of the voltage converters for Europe.

I used to travel with one whenever I was making the Euro. trips for Oracle.

Better and cheaper now than then, from Amazon.

https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_5_8?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=voltage+converter+220+to+110&sprefix=voltage+%2Caps%2C271&crid=1EG8JMKYC57M5

On 1/1/2019 8:22 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:
 

I’ve had an inquiry from someone who is moving to a country with a 220-volt system, and is looking for one of those 220v transformers that Gilbert made for export.

Anyone have a good one for sale, or have any leads?

 

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

 

--
Carey Probst
Chief MicroFerroEquinologist
Pennsyltucky RR
Group: S-Trains Message: 81102 From: snstrains Date: 1/2/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
What do you consider "reasonable"?

Steve Blackburn
Boise, Id.
In a message dated 1/2/2019 2:43:31 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

 

I have been trying to buy a Wrap for my 336 Northern, and I haven't been able to find one Reasonable  Nick
Group: S-Trains Message: 81103 From: Matthew Guy Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
To:
No Reply <notify-dg-S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Can anyone tell me how to use the Talking Station with the new S gauge Lionel Fastrack?  With CHIEF remote control the uses constant voltage in track?

Sent from my iPhone
Subject:
Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 7758
From:
"tiferes@..." <tiferes@...>
Date:
12/4/2018, 2:00 AM
Group: S-Trains Message: 81104 From: njma41 Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
Forty to Sixty Dollars Max
Group: S-Trains Message: 81105 From: dockside98 Date: 1/3/2019
Subject: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color

Group,

I am looking for a black 771 stock yard controller in good condition.

Please contact me off list at edsauers@...   edsauers  at  gmail  dot  com


Thanks


Ed Sauers
Group: S-Trains Message: 81106 From: farmboy_k Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: AF SD70ACe Cdn Cyl Hoppers wanted

Have been part of this group for a long time but not int the trains much till now. I am working on an ag farm diorama of a near by grain terminal on a CN line and I am looking for a SD70ACe EMD demo and some Canadian decorated cylindrical hoppers. If anyone has any leads to new ones or to someone looking to part with theirs please let me know.  kdloewen at hotmail dot com  Thanks Kent 
Group: S-Trains Message: 81107 From: snstrains Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Wrap for a 336 Northern
I have one that the lettering has faded on but I sure wouldn't want that much for it. If interested email me at snstrains@...

Steve Blackburn
Boise, Id.
In a message dated 1/3/2019 7:18:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

Forty to Sixty Dollars Max
Group: S-Trains Message: 81108 From: snstrains Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Just set it up on a dead siding with another power supply.

Steve Blackburn
Boise, Id.
In a message dated 1/3/2019 7:18:10 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

 

 

To:
No Reply <notify-dg-S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Can anyone tell me how to use the Talking Station with the new S gauge Lionel Fastrack?  With CHIEF remote control the uses constant voltage in track?

 

Sent from my iPhone
Subject:
Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 7758
From:
"tiferes@..." <tiferes@...>
Date:
12/4/2018, 2:00 AM
Group: S-Trains Message: 81109 From: George Cohn Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
On 1/3/2019 5:44 PM, edsauers@... [S-Trains] wrote:
> Group,
>
> I am looking for a black 771 stock yard controller in good condition.
>
> Please contact me off list at edsauers@...   edsauers  at  gmail
> dot  com

I have a several, let me sort trough them to find one with good lettering.

George Cohn
Group: S-Trains Message: 81110 From: whtrainman Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
Lionel does not make an insulated track section in S, but they do have it in O. If you want to create an isolated section to stop train, have the station make the announcement, then automatically start the train up, (assuming you have an original AF station), you need the following: (1) 2 Lionel transition tracks (5 inches each), (2) 4 insulating pins-these go into the AF track ends that connect to the transition track.(3) an AF track lock-on fr the AF track, & (4) an AF operating button (2 wire). Also, enough AF track to finish the straight run (if needed).
You would hook up the station to the AF track, using Gilbert's instructions. In normal operation, the isolated track in front of the station receives power thru the station. When the button is pushed, the station cuts power to the track, (train stops on the isolated section) makes the announcement, turns the power back on & the train moves on.
You can also use an "air gap" instead of the insulating pins on theAF track.
The instructions of the Lionel version of the station do not mention this at all, so I don't know if it can be done. If it can't be done, shame on them!!
Group: S-Trains Message: 81111 From: richs009 Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Ed - I thought I saw a stockyard controller (button for energizing the vibrational pad in the stock car and the rotary switch for energizing the vibrational pad in the stockyard itself) while perusing the eBay listings from Trainz.  Having said that, now I don't recall if it was black..

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 81112 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color

We can supply, if you don’t find one elsewhere.

 

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

 
Group: S-Trains Message: 81113 From: EdSauers Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Rich,
 
there was one included but the button that activates the vibrator in the car does not work. the Car is good, tested it with a couple of leads. The herd seems to move very fast but there is not adjustment nut in the back that I can see...maybe the one I have is the newer version!!!
 
Thanks
 
ED
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: richs009@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 1/4/2019 5:08:37 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
 

Ed - I thought I saw a stockyard controller (button for energizing the vibrational pad in the stock car and the rotary switch for energizing the vibrational pad in the stockyard itself) while perusing the eBay listings from Trainz.  Having said that, now I don't recall if it was black..

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 81114 From: richs009 Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Ed - at the risk of suggesting somethings you've already checked - it might not be the button.  First, I'd make sure the car is set up to complete the circuit - meaning that the button supplies 15 - 18 VAC to the short contact rail, which in turn contacts the slider shoe projecting from the stockcar truck.  Lastly, the metal wheels on the other truck need to be set up to ride on the rail that is ultimately connected to the base contact on the track terminal(s).  Sometimes this latter requirement gets 'lost' in a complicated track plan - especially when the stockyard is setup on a siding one or more switches away from the track terminal.  In my experience, sometimes the "one train" or "two train" slider button on the AF switch(es) is not in the right position or isn't working correctly, so the 'base' rail isn't completing the circuit...

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 81115 From: EdSauers Date: 1/4/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Rich,
 
I have already check all those things, the car will vibrate if I touch the red wire to the yellow wire. I get not continuity between the spring post for the red wire and the yellow wire when I press the button. I attempted to open up the box but cannot figure out how to get the rotary switch cap off to explore the inside. The controller was badly corroded, looks like maybe someone used acid flux on it when trying to reattach some wires.
 
Thanks
 
Ed
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: richs009@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 1/4/2019 6:27:31 PM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
 

Ed - at the risk of suggesting somethings you've already checked - it might not be the button.  First, I'd make sure the car is set up to complete the circuit - meaning that the button supplies 15 - 18 VAC to the short contact rail, which in turn contacts the slider shoe projecting from the stockcar truck.  Lastly, the metal wheels on the other truck need to be set up to ride on the rail that is ultimately connected to the base contact on the track terminal(s).  Sometimes this latter requirement gets 'lost' in a complicated track plan - especially when the stockyard is setup on a siding one or more switches away from the track terminal.  In my experience, sometimes the "one train" or "two train" slider button on the AF switch(es) is not in the right position or isn't working correctly, so the 'base' rail isn't completing the circuit...

- Rich
Group: S-Trains Message: 81116 From: racin510 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
The newer Lionel talking station is not designed to stop/start the train.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81117 From: richs009 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
yep - sounds like the button! - as you've already figured out.

- Rich

ps  I don't know how to remove the rotary switch knob either
Group: S-Trains Message: 81118 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: TALKING STATION WITH FASTTRACK S
You can use the SHS or MTH insulated railjoiners to isolate the section. They fit Flyonel Fastrack perfectly.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81119 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: AF SD70ACe Cdn Cyl Hoppers wanted
Same answer as I stated on FB, Nicholas Smith has them and there is one on Ebay at present.
Group: S-Trains Message: 81120 From: EdSauers Date: 1/5/2019
Subject: Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
Rich,
 
If I figure it out I'll let you know....what do I have to loose anyway!!!!!
 
Ed
 
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: 1/5/2019 1:03:23 AM
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Need 771 stock yard controller Black color
 

yep - sounds like the button! - as you've already figured out.

- Rich

ps  I don't know how to remove the rotary switch knob either
Group: S-Trains Message: 81121 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Transformer debate

I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

 

As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

 

f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

g) And can anything be done about that?

 

Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

 
Group: S-Trains Message: 81122 From: Carl and Kathy Rudolph Date: 1/10/2019
Subject: Re: Transformer debate
Attachments :

    Doug,

     

    I’ll give it a shot!

     

    The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

     

    The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

     

    A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

     

    1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

    2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

    3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

    4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

     

    Waiting to hear from others!

     

    Carl Rudolph

     

    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
    Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

     

     

    I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

    I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

     

    As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

    a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

    b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

    c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

    d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

    e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

     

    f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

    g) And can anything be done about that?

     

    Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

    Doug Peck
    Port Lines Hobby Supply
    6 Storeybrooke Drive
    Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
    doug@...
    www.portlines.com
    Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
    Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
    VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

     
    Group: S-Trains Message: 81123 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
    Subject: Re: Transformer debate


    Sent from my iPad

    On 10 Jan 2019, at 13:46, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

    I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

     

    As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

    a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

    It is not split equally, the stack is common to both but each can take what is needed at any one time. So if one was was powering a 336 and it needed say 60 watts as an example and the other side was powering a modern docksider needing say 15 watts then you are pulling a total 75 watts from a common bucket load of 300 watts and have 225 watts in reserve to be available to whoever needs more.

    b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

    No, see above

    c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

    If one side is in use say drawing 100 watts then the other side has available to it if needed the other 200 watts

    d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

    If you are pulling 50 watts for accessories then you have 250 watts available to be split between the two variables, so it could be split say 100 watts one side and 150 for the other if that is the load you wish to split between them

    e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

    You can treat these as two individual 175 watt supplies, so one would not have available more than this.

     

    f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

    Don’t know, perhaps the roller is slightly lifting off the stack at one small point only

    g) And can anything be done about that?

     

    Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

    Doug Peck
    Port Lines Hobby Supply
    6 Storeybrooke Drive
    Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
    doug@...
    www.portlines.com
    Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
    Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
    VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

     
    Group: S-Trains Message: 81124 From: Bob Moyer Date: 1/10/2019
    Subject: American Flyer on TV
    To All:
    Just a funny thing I noticed about Flyer on TV/ Movies etc. HBO is running all the seasons of the Sopranos. Its the 20th anniversary of the start of the Sopranos. I used to watch it. So last night they're up to season 6. One of the main characters Bobby Bacala has a train layout in his garage. form what I remember and saw last night his layout is Lionel. Hey its set in North Jersey. Anyway Bobby is trying to engage his son to "play with the trains" and he asks Bobby Jr. if he wants t see some Moe and Joe action. They do a tight shot of a Moe and Joe lumber unloading car in action. It is the AF car but the track and the car trucks are obscured by something in the foreground like a platform around the same height of the flatcar. So Bobby had some AF. Cool. In a episode coming up I think it was in the last season of the series, Bobby gets wacked at the train store while he is holding a Blue Comet Steam engine. I must have too much time on my hands to notice that and write a email about it. Forgetaboutit.

    Regards

    Bob Moyer
    Group: S-Trains Message: 81125 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
    Subject: Re: Transformer debate
    One other thing that went through my mind was the circuit breakers. What is interesting is that the 18B, 30B and 19B (300W) transformers all share the same part number. 

    So if the 19B rated at 300W is correct, then for the 30B it is also technically correct but this then poses an issue as to how much could you demand from a 30B on each turret as each one has its own breaker. If you just used one side then the breaker is correct  and will trip at whatever it is set at for 300W but if you turned both turrets on and had a 300W load on each side you would be pulling a total of 600W but the breaker wouldn’t trip until it got to somewhere just above the 300W’s. So is this correct and a potential problem?

    Then looking at an 18B it also has the same breaker for a 19B and 30B but is only 180W, so potentially can you pull 300W before the breaker tripped.

    More questions than answers now.

    Sent from my iPad

    On 10 Jan 2019, at 13:46, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

    I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

     

    As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

    a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

    b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

    c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

    d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

    e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

     

    f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

    g) And can anything be done about that?

     

    Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

    Doug Peck
    Port Lines Hobby Supply
    6 Storeybrooke Drive
    Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
    doug@...
    www.portlines.com
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    Group: S-Trains Message: 81126 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 1/10/2019
    Subject: Re: Transformer debate

    Nice explanation Carl!

    On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:
     

    Doug,

     

    I’ll give it a shot!

     

    The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

     

    The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

     

    A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

     

    1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

    2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

    3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

    4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

     

    Waiting to hear from others!

     

    Carl Rudolph

     

    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
    Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

     

     

    I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

    I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

     

    As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

    a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

    b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

    c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

    d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

    e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

     

    f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

    g) And can anything be done about that?

     

    Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

    Doug Peck
    Port Lines Hobby Supply
    6 Storeybrooke Drive
    Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
    doug@...
    www.portlines.com
    Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
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    Group: S-Trains Message: 81127 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/10/2019
    Subject: Re: Transformer debate
    Attachments :

      Hey guys, everyone seems to be missing the critical point.  Circuit Breakers fire on current not power.  Thus some transformers have a max voltage of 15 VAC while others have up to 18 VAC.  The same breaker adjusted correctly fires on current.  We see this on our own public layout in La Mesa California.  When we replaced the 15V AF transformer running our DCC loop, with an 18 Volt physically similar one, we suddenly found that we had more breaker firing when a train shorted even though the DCC unit limited the max current to 8 amps.  It really would make no sense to set a dual unit up with the maximum current since then the transformer would not be protected when both sides were used.  The other factor to consider is that these breakers were mass produced and may well vary from unit to unit.  Remember AC power is approximately the mean voltage times the current.  An 18 V transformer will dissipate 180 watts at 10 amperes.

       

      Raulf Polichar

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:38 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      Nice explanation Carl!

      On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

       

      Doug,

       

      I’ll give it a shot!

       

      The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

       

      The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

       

      A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

       

      1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

      2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

      3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

      4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

       

      Waiting to hear from others!

       

      Carl Rudolph

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www..portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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      Group: S-Trains Message: 81128 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/10/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate

      Thanks (I think), Neil.

      CBs are another issue I’ve struggled with over the years.  Gilbert used so many different ones, and it’s often not clear what each was rated at. The result is that when one encounters a bad breaker, how do we determine a suitable after-market breaker that could be substituted.

      Many years ago, Tom Jarcho marketed CB kits that included an appropriate self-resetting CB and an appropriate bracket to mount it.

      He made these kits for several different AF transformers, with different CBs and different brackets.

      Unfortunately none of the CBs were marked with their values.  I still have 2 or 3 of his kits here.

      Wish he was still with us, for more reasons than one !

       

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www.portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:32 PM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      One other thing that went through my mind was the circuit breakers.. What is interesting is that the 18B, 30B and 19B (300W) transformers all share the same part number. 

       

      So if the 19B rated at 300W is correct, then for the 30B it is also technically correct but this then poses an issue as to how much could you demand from a 30B on each turret as each one has its own breaker. If you just used one side then the breaker is correct  and will trip at whatever it is set at for 300W but if you turned both turrets on and had a 300W load on each side you would be pulling a total of 600W but the breaker wouldn’t trip until it got to somewhere just above the 300W’s. So is this correct and a potential problem?

       

      Then looking at an 18B it also has the same breaker for a 19B and 30B but is only 180W, so potentially can you pull 300W before the breaker tripped.

       

      More questions than answers now.

      Sent from my iPad


      On 10 Jan 2019, at 13:46, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here…..I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www.portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       
      Group: S-Trains Message: 81129 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/10/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate
      Hi Raul,

      And this is my point, the 19B (300W) is rated at 16V so theoretically it has a current rating of 18.75 Amps, scary, and a breaker to match its rating.

      The 19B breaker is also used in the 18B which at 190W and 18V is 10.5 Amps. So on paper it would seem that you could pull way more than 10.5 Amps each side before the breaker popped.

      If this same breaker is also used on the 30B then each side in theory could pull 18.75 Amps and max out just under 40 Amps for both combined, yet the stack is only designed for 18.75 Amps

      Am I missing something obvious here and forgotten some basic theory?

      Sent from my iPad

      On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:26, 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Hey guys, everyone seems to be missing the critical point.  Circuit Breakers fire on current not power.  Thus some transformers have a max voltage of 15 VAC while others have up to 18 VAC.  The same breaker adjusted correctly fires on current.  We see this on our own public layout in La Mesa California.  When we replaced the 15V AF transformer running our DCC loop, with an 18 Volt physically similar one, we suddenly found that we had more breaker firing when a train shorted even though the DCC unit limited the max current to 8 amps.  It really would make no sense to set a dual unit up with the maximum current since then the transformer would not be protected when both sides were used.  The other factor to consider is that these breakers were mass produced and may well vary from unit to unit.  Remember AC power is approximately the mean voltage times the current.  An 18 V transformer will dissipate 180 watts at 10 amperes.

       

      Raulf Polichar

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:38 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      Nice explanation Carl!

      On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

       

      Doug,

       

      I’ll give it a shot!

       

      The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

       

      The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

       

      A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

       

      1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

      2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

      3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

      4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

       

      Waiting to hear from others!

       

      Carl Rudolph

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www..portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       
      Group: S-Trains Message: 81130 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/10/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate

      Doug,

       

      Some things to consider:

       

      Most of the CBs in these toy train transformers are of the bimetal type and do not trip instantaneously.  Rather, like fuses, they are designed to trip at a certain level of over-current in a particular amount of time.   A CB rated at 10 amperes for example may take 100 minutes to trip at 10 amperes, 2 minutes to trip at 15 amperes, and 2 seconds to trip at 25 amperes.  (The numbers are made up, but hopefully convey the message that there is a time component as well as a current component as to when a CB will trip.)

       

      One can design and build electronic CBs that will have a very precise and narrow trip points, and will behave quite differently from the bimetal type. 

       

      If you have operating low voltage CBs that are unmarked, you can test them to see at what current level they will open.  You will need a transformer that will deliver enough current, some sort of load (an assortment of automotive light bulbs that you can hook in parallel will work well), a voltmeter, and a 0.1 ohm resistor (which you can make from a known length and gauge of Nichrome wire from tables found on the internet).  Put the source, in series with the load, the CB, and the 0.1 ohm resistor and put the voltmeter in parallel with the resistor.  In a series circuit, the current is everywhere the same.  Ohms law says that the voltage drop across the 0.1 ohm resistor will be 0.1 volts for each ampere of current going through it.  1 volt across the resistor will be 10 amperes, 2 volts will be twenty amperes, etc.  Just keep putting light bulbs in parallel until the CB trips.  The voltage across the 0.1 ohm resistor will tell you how much current was flowing when the CB tripped.  (If you have a clamp-on type ammeter meter that can directly measure the current, that would be is even easier to use and you wouldn’t need to make a resistor.)

       

      Hope this helps,

       

      Jerry F.

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:57 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      Thanks (I think), Neil.

      CBs are another issue I’ve struggled with over the years.  Gilbert used so many different ones, and it’s often not clear what each was rated at. The result is that when one encounters a bad breaker, how do we determine a suitable after-market breaker that could be substituted.

      Many years ago, Tom Jarcho marketed CB kits that included an appropriate self-resetting CB and an appropriate bracket to mount it.

      He made these kits for several different AF transformers, with different CBs and different brackets.

      Unfortunately none of the CBs were marked with their values.  I still have 2 or 3 of his kits here.

      Wish he was still with us, for more reasons than one !

       

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www.portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:32 PM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      One other thing that went through my mind was the circuit breakers.. What is interesting is that the 18B, 30B and 19B (300W) transformers all share the same part number. 

       

      So if the 19B rated at 300W is correct, then for the 30B it is also technically correct but this then poses an issue as to how much could you demand from a 30B on each turret as each one has its own breaker. If you just used one side then the breaker is correct  and will trip at whatever it is set at for 300W but if you turned both turrets on and had a 300W load on each side you would be pulling a total of 600W but the breaker wouldn’t trip until it got to somewhere just above the 300W’s. So is this correct and a potential problem?

       

      Then looking at an 18B it also has the same breaker for a 19B and 30B but is only 180W, so potentially can you pull 300W before the breaker tripped.

       

      More questions than answers now.

      Sent from my iPad


      On 10 Jan 2019, at 13:46, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here…..I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www.portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       
      Group: S-Trains Message: 81131 From: Polichar Date: 1/10/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate
      Neil
      My point is that each control is only half of the total power.  If this were not the case, the breakers would not protect the overall transformer.

      Raulf

      Sent from my iPad

      On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:06 PM, NEIL TRUMP neil.trump@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Hi Raul,


      And this is my point, the 19B (300W) is rated at 16V so theoretically it has a current rating of 18.75 Amps, scary, and a breaker to match its rating.

      The 19B breaker is also used in the 18B which at 190W and 18V is 10.5 Amps. So on paper it would seem that you could pull way more than 10.5 Amps each side before the breaker popped.

      If this same breaker is also used on the 30B then each side in theory could pull 18.75 Amps and max out just under 40 Amps for both combined, yet the stack is only designed for 18..75 Ampsneill

      Am I missing something obvious here and forgotten some basic theory?

      Sent from my iPad

      On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:26, 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Hey guys, everyone seems to be missing the critical point.  Circuit Breakers fire on current not power.  Thus some transformers have a max voltage of 15 VAC while others have up to 18 VAC.  The same breaker adjusted correctly fires on current.  We see this on our own public layout in La Mesa California.  When we replaced the 15V AF transformer running our DCC loop, with an 18 Volt physically similar one, we suddenly found that we had more breaker firing when a train shorted even though the DCC unit limited the max current to 8 amps.  It really would make no sense to set a dual unit up with the maximum current since then the transformer would not be protected when both sides were used.  The other factor to consider is that these breakers were mass produced and may well vary from unit to unit.  Remember AC power is approximately the mean voltage times the current.  An 18 V transformer will dissipate 180 watts at 10 amperes.

       

      Raulf Polichar

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:38 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      Nice explanation Carl!

      On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

       

      Doug,

       

      I’ll give it a shot!

       

      The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

       

      The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

       

      A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

       

      1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

      2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

      3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

      4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

       

      Waiting to hear from others!

       

      Carl Rudolph

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www..portlines.com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       
      Group: S-Trains Message: 81132 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/11/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate
      Hi Raulf,

      If each turret can only take half the current available from the main stack then what stops a single turret from taking more if the load increases beyond half technically allocated to it?

      Regards 

      Neil


      Sent from my iPhone

      On 10 Jan 2019, at 23:46, Polichar polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Neil

      My point is that each control is only half of the total power.  If this were not the case, the breakers would not protect the overall transformer.

      Raulf

      Sent from my iPad

      On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:06 PM, NEIL TRUMP neil.trump@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com> wrote:

       

      Hi Raul,


      And this is my point, the 19B (300W) is rated at 16V so theoretically it has a current rating of 18.75 Amps, scary, and a breaker to match its rating.

      The 19B breaker is also used in the 18B which at 190W and 18V is 10.5 Amps. So on paper it would seem that you could pull way more than 10.5 Amps each side before the breaker popped.

      If this same breaker is also used on the 30B then each side in theory could pull 18.75 Amps and max out just under 40 Amps for both combined, yet the stack is only designed for 18..75 Ampsneill

      Am I missing something obvious here and forgotten some basic theory?

      Sent from my iPad

      On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:26, 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Hey guys, everyone seems to be missing the critical point.  Circuit Breakers fire on current not power.  Thus some transformers have a max voltage of 15 VAC while others have up to 18 VAC.  The same breaker adjusted correctly fires on current.  We see this on our own public layout in La Mesa California.  When we replaced the 15V AF transformer running our DCC loop, with an 18 Volt physically similar one, we suddenly found that we had more breaker firing when a train shorted even though the DCC unit limited the max current to 8 amps.  It really would make no sense to set a dual unit up with the maximum current since then the transformer would not be protected when both sides were used.  The other factor to consider is that these breakers were mass produced and may well vary from unit to unit.  Remember AC power is approximately the mean voltage times the current.  An 18 V transformer will dissipate 180 watts at 10 amperes.

       

      Raulf Polichar

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:38 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      Nice explanation Carl!

      On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

       

      Doug,

       

      I’ll give it a shot!

       

      The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

       

      The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

       

      A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

       

      1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

      2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

      3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem.

      4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

       

      Waiting to hear from others!

       

      Carl Rudolph

       

      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

       

       

      I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

      I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

       

      As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

      a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

      b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

      c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

      d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

      e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

       

      f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

      g) And can anything be done about that?

       

      Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

      Doug Peck
      Port Lines Hobby Supply
      6 Storeybrooke Drive
      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
      doug@...
      www..portlines..com
      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only.. No other availability.
      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

       
      Group: S-Trains Message: 81133 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/11/2019
      Subject: Re: Transformer debate
      Attachments :

        Neil,

        If each side has a separate circuit breaker, then they fire at approximately half of the total current capability.  Frankly it would make more sense to put a single breaker in the base side of the circuit but that might allow enough power to go into a shorted track to heat things up a lot on the track and the wires going to it. The breakers were put their for safety and the most likely failure is a short on the track.  You have already determined that the physical breakers are the same as on the 150 watt single control unit so that really suggests that each breaker was set to slowly open when half of the total current was used.  An average AF engine uses an amp or two.  Eight amps is sufficient to operate at least two or perhaps three engines simultaneously.  How much more power can a single controller reasonably require.

         

        Raulf

         

        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 6:30 AM
        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

         

         

        Hi Raulf,

         

        If each turret can only take half the current available from the main stack then what stops a single turret from taking more if the load increases beyond half technically allocated to it?

         

        Regards 

         

        Neil

         

        Sent from my iPhone


        On 10 Jan 2019, at 23:46, Polichar polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

        Neil

        My point is that each control is only half of the total power.  If this were not the case, the breakers would not protect the overall transformer.

         

        Raulf

        Sent from my iPad


        On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:06 PM, NEIL TRUMP neil.trump@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com> wrote:

         

        Hi Raul,

         

        And this is my point, the 19B (300W) is rated at 16V so theoretically it has a current rating of 18.75 Amps, scary, and a breaker to match its rating.

         

        The 19B breaker is also used in the 18B which at 190W and 18V is 10.5 Amps. So on paper it would seem that you could pull way more than 10.5 Amps each side before the breaker popped.

         

        If this same breaker is also used on the 30B then each side in theory could pull 18.75 Amps and max out just under 40 Amps for both combined, yet the stack is only designed for 18..75 Ampsneill

         

        Am I missing something obvious here and forgotten some basic theory?

         

        Sent from my iPad


        On 10 Jan 2019, at 19:26, 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

        Hey guys, everyone seems to be missing the critical point.  Circuit Breakers fire on current not power.  Thus some transformers have a max voltage of 15 VAC while others have up to 18 VAC.  The same breaker adjusted correctly fires on current.  We see this on our own public layout in La Mesa California.  When we replaced the 15V AF transformer running our DCC loop, with an 18 Volt physically similar one, we suddenly found that we had more breaker firing when a train shorted even though the DCC unit limited the max current to 8 amps.  It really would make no sense to set a dual unit up with the maximum current since then the transformer would not be protected when both sides were used.  The other factor to consider is that these breakers were mass produced and may well vary from unit to unit.  Remember AC power is approximately the mean voltage times the current.  An 18 V transformer will dissipate 180 watts at 10 amperes.

         

        Raulf Polichar

         

        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:38 AM
        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

         

         

        Nice explanation Carl!

        On 1/10/2019 11:43 AM, 'Carl and Kathy Rudolph' cakr1@... [S-Trains] wrote:

         

        Doug,

         

        I’ll give it a shot!

         

        The dual control 18B and 30B transformers have a single transformer stack with each control having a roller wiper that comes in contact with the entire secondary winding.  So each control has access to the total output of the stack.  For the 30B, that means either side can use all 300 watts or any portion thereof.  Since the total output is 300 watts, any load on the 18V posts will reduce the amount available at the variable voltage posts.

         

        The 350 watt pancake transformer actually has two stacks – so it is essentially two transformers in one case.  The stacks appear to be identical in size to the 175 watt pancake transformer so it makes sense that the two stacks are each 175 watts and are electrically separate.  I do not have one of these transformers so have not observed the actual wiring inside so can’t say for sure.

         

        A dead spot on a secondary winding may be due to one or more factors –

         

        1.    A low spot on the winding can make the roller lose contact with that particular spot.  Look for dings in the exposed winding.

        2.    A bit of non-conductive material might be lodged over that spot.  Tape?  Dirt?  Glue?

        3.    A combination of a low spot and a slightly out-of-round roller can cause the problem..

        4.    Anything that gets in the way of proper spring force holding the roller to the winding at a particular spot.

         

        Waiting to hear from others!

         

        Carl Rudolph

         

        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:47 AM
        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

         

         

        I don’t want to START a debate here….I’d like to SETTLE one. This has been an ongoing question for a long time.

        I’d like to hear from anyone who KNOWS the answers, as opposed to everyone who (like me) THINKS they know the answers.

         

        As an example, let’s assume one is using a 30B, 300-watt single-coil transformer.

        a) Is 300w the TOTAL output, always split equally between the two sides of the transformer?

        b) Meaning that each side is permanently limited to a maximum output of 150w ?

        c) Or if only one side is in use, does the other side have all 300w available?

        d) What effect on the two variable outputs results from items such as lights being connected to the 18v posts?

        e) Finally, what about the 350w “pancake” dual transformers, since these have two coils instead of just one.

         

        f) One additional question….why would a coil have a dead-spot, but otherwise produce properly across the variable range?

        g) And can anything be done about that?

         

        Can someone who KNOWS the answers please settle this with a firm explanation?

        Doug Peck
        Port Lines Hobby Supply
        6 Storeybrooke Drive
        Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
        doug@...
        www..portlines..com
        Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only... No other availability..
        Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
        VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

         
        Group: S-Trains Message: 81134 From: NEIL TRUMP Date: 1/11/2019
        Subject: Re: Transformer debate
        Hi Raulf,

        The breakers on the 18 and 30B are the same as used on the single 19B which is rated at 300W/18Amps

        Regards 

        Neil


        Sent from my iPhone
        Group: S-Trains Message: 81135 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/14/2019
        Subject: Re: Transformer debate
        Attachments :

          Neil,

          We are kind of going around in circles.  The best way to test things is to measure the trigger current for the breaker that was suggested in one of the previous entries.  I am only giving you an engineering answer that makes sense to me professionally.  If I was designing a toy for children to use, what protections would I choose.  What is actually there reflects the standards of the fifties and sixties.  I know that most of the transformers I have measured both in my collection and on our club layout fail somewhere between 8 and 10 amps and depend somewhat on how long the current is on.  They are thermal breakers so that they are not real exact on the opening currents.  If you could borrow a clamp on AC ammeter from somewhere, this is an easy thing to do.  I think there isn’t a right or wrong answer here but simply a question of exactly which breakers were used and if they can be adjusted to set points.  I still would argue for protecting each half of a dual controller with individual breakers, each set for half power.

          Raulf

           

          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:03 AM
          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

           

           

          Hi Raulf,

           

          The breakers on the 18 and 30B are the same as used on the single 19B which is rated at 300W/18Amps

           

          Regards 

           

          Neil

           

          Sent from my iPhone

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81136 From: mleahy68 Date: 1/14/2019
          Subject: Trainminder Program?

          I had a computer crash, and ended up needing a new laptop.  I went from a windows 7 to a windows 10.  When I tried to move the Trainminder program it asked for a password, which I had never had previously.  I tried to contact the company, but with no luck.  Does anyone know how to contact them, or a solution so I can again use this train program?

           

          Mike Leahy
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81137 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/14/2019
          Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?

          Mike,

          Trainmaster “vaporized” long ago. I’ve heard theories as to why, but never really heard anything factual.

           

          <<< I had a computer crash, and ended up needing a new laptop.  I went from a windows 7 to a windows 10.  When I tried to move the Trainminder program it asked for a password, which I had never had previously.  I tried to contact the company, but with no luck.  Does anyone know how to contact them, or a solution so I can again use this train program?>>>

          Doug Peck
          Port Lines Hobby Supply
          6 Storeybrooke Drive
          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
          doug@...
          www.portlines.com
          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81138 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/14/2019
          Subject: Re: Transformer debate

          Raulf,

           

          In looking at the schematic of one of the dual controller units, the Gilbert engineers did indeed place an individual breaker on the common line of each transformer.  Unfortunately, they did not specify a value for either of the breakers. 

           

          For the smaller transformers, AF had an accessory circuit breaker (American Flyer #13).  The breaker itself was made by Klixon and certainly is a thermal breaker.  See:

          https://www.ebay.com/itm/CWF-Here-Your-Listing-for-Your-American-Flyer-No-23780-Platform-/311943018280 

           

          As you said, a clamp-amp would probably be the best way of determining the time-to-trip curve for the breakers used in the larger transformers. 

           

          Jerry F.

           

           

          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:23 AM
          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
          Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

           

           

          Neil,

          We are kind of going around in circles.  The best way to test things is to measure the trigger current for the breaker that was suggested in one of the previous entries.  I am only giving you an engineering answer that makes sense to me professionally.  If I was designing a toy for children to use, what protections would I choose.  What is actually there reflects the standards of the fifties and sixties.  I know that most of the transformers I have measured both in my collection and on our club layout fail somewhere between 8 and 10 amps and depend somewhat on how long the current is on.  They are thermal breakers so that they are not real exact on the opening currents.  If you could borrow a clamp on AC ammeter from somewhere, this is an easy thing to do.  I think there isn’t a right or wrong answer here but simply a question of exactly which breakers were used and if they can be adjusted to set points.  I still would argue for protecting each half of a dual controller with individual breakers, each set for half power.

          Raulf

           

          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:03 AM
          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer debate

           

           

          Hi Raulf,

           

          The breakers on the 18 and 30B are the same as used on the single 19B which is rated at 300W/18Amps

           

          Regards 

           

          Neil

           

          Sent from my iPhone

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81139 From: Tom Date: 1/14/2019
          Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
          Is the password a Trainminder password or a Windows one?  If you never had a password for this program before it seems strange that the program would ask for one now.  You might even try to open it by leaving the password field blank if you haven’t tried that yet.

          Also if you can open the program, you might consider converting or exporting the file to a general data file that could be moved to another database program, such as a CVS file (I think that’s the format, although I haven’t used a Windows program in many years).  That type of data file might be usable in another, perhaps new program, that could import it.  I’m sure there are other techie persons in this group who can advise you better than me.

          Tom Detmer

          On Jan 14, 2019, at 1:56 PM, gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


          I had a computer crash, and ended up needing a new laptop.  I went from a windows 7 to a windows 10.  When I tried to move the Trainminder program it asked for a password, which I had never had previously.  I tried to contact the company, but with no luck.  Does anyone know how to contact them, or a solution so I can again use this train program?

           

          Mike Leahy
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81140 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/14/2019
          Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
          Sorry, the company went out of business several years ago. The website is no longer maintained and he does not respond to email inquiries.

          Sorry, I don’t know anything about the password situation. Can’t help.

          Exporting is a nice idea, but the program has no such facility. What I did was to print out a report and manually edit that into a CSV file that I could import into Excel. Painful and time consuming but it’s the only way to do it.


          On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:23 PM, Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          Is the password a Trainminder password or a Windows one?  If you never had a password for this program before it seems strange that the program would ask for one now.  You might even try to open it by leaving the password field blank if you haven’t tried that yet.


          Also if you can open the program, you might consider converting or exporting the file to a general data file that could be moved to another database program, such as a CVS file (I think that’s the format, although I haven’t used a Windows program in many years).  That type of data file might be usable in another, perhaps new program, that could import it.  I’m sure there are other techie persons in this group who can advise you better than me.

          Tom Detmer

          On Jan 14, 2019, at 1:56 PM, gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com> wrote:


          I had a computer crash, and ended up needing a new laptop.  I went from a windows 7 to a windows 10.  When I tried to move the Trainminder program it asked for a password, which I had never had previously.  I tried to contact the company, but with no luck.  Does anyone know how to contact them, or a solution so I can again use this train program?

           

          Mike Leahy
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81141 From: race944t Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?

          I might also suggest trying to log into the program as administrator on your pc.  You can do this by right clicking on the executable file and use the "Run as Administrator" function.  Assuming the login you are logged in as is the administrator, this may help.


          "Banker" Bill Clark
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81142 From: Ted Walton Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Repair of AF 751 log loader
          I'm trying to bring an American Flyer 751 log loader back life. (See
          photos in Walton repair AF 751 album.) This link should work:

          https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/2096325731

          Either click on link or highlight, copy, and past in browser.

          The initial problem was that the grease in the gear box was so
          solidified ( as I found out) that the motor would not turn. Removing
          the gear box top, I dug out the mess as best as possible and then
          sprayed some engine de greaser into the box with the unit upside down
          (so any gunk would fall out on the ground ) and then did some more
          digging. A few cycles got all(most ) of the solid grease removed. I
          spread some CRC lubricant and did some more cleaning. The motor ran
          good after the cleaning. The first issue now is what to use as a
          replacement grease. I have old tubes of Lionel grease, auto wheel
          gear grease, Vaseline, or maybe something else?

          The solenoid that loads the logs in to the carriage tray worked
          strong. Have no logs to check its complete operation; I believe I
          need a 7/8 inch (?) dowel to test.

          With all the screwing around with the repair I broke the string cable
          that moves the log tray and I think the hook with the pulley may have
          a small piece broken off the end tip - not sure, didn't see any
          remains but it looks a little funny (incomplete). Before the string
          broke, the operation of the carriage tray for loading the logs into a
          car worked smoothly. The question here is what direction does the
          hook go into hole on the frame at the front - up from the bottom or
          down from the top (see photos). It appears to work best with the hook
          coming up from the bottom into the hole in the front frame. Also, do
          I have the string attached (positioned) correctly to the front bar on
          the log tray (see same photos).

          Also any comments for the type of string to use - the replacement
          cord I used appears to stretch.

          Thanks for any comments and help.

          Ted Walton
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81143 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: lighted drumheads
          I have a 654 heavyweight observation car that I am fixing up (LED lights, new step to replace a broken one, cleaning the windows, etc.) and thought having a lighted drumhead to hang on the railing around the back of the car would be pretty cool.  A couple of years ago there was someone - on eBay, I think - who was offering O-scale drumheads (which for something like this, probably wouldn't matter since there isn't a set size for the prototype), but he/she doesn't seem to be around, at least on eBay.  Does anyone know of anyone making/selling drumheads?

          My alternative would be to take one of the drumheads offered as replacements for the drumheads in the streamlined observation cars (e.g. 663 or 963) and try to fashion a short cylinder out of brass tubing (or similar material) to which the drumhead could be glued and then find a small surface mount LED for lighting.  If anyone has any experience with 'rolling your own' I'd be interested in finding out what you did.

          thanks,

          Rich
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81144 From: Dennis Back Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: Trainminder Program?
          There is a Trainminder Program Yahoo Group.  You have to join it to participate, and with Yahoo Groups and the switch to Verizon Oath, I'm not sure if you can join, but it's worth a try. 

          From the webpage I see there are four posts this month, so it's still active.

          Here is the link:

          Hope this helps.

          Good luck,
          Dennis

          Group: S-Trains Message: 81145 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Rich,
             Why not just check out Tomar Industries line of drumheads? they offer them in several scales S included their website ishttps://tomarindustries.com/drumheads.htm
           Might save a lot of grief?
                       Bob Lampe
                       Kalispell, MT
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81146 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: Repair of AF 751 log loader

          Regarding the oil/grease to use, I would use a small amount of lithium grease, or a dab of machine oil. 

           

          D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

           

          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:32 PM
          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [S-Trains] Repair of AF 751 log loader

           

           

          I'm trying to bring an American Flyer 751 log loader back life. (See
          photos in Walton repair AF 751 album.) This link should work:

          https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/2096325731

          Either click on link or highlight, copy, and past in browser.

          The initial problem was that the grease in the gear box was so
          solidified ( as I found out) that the motor would not turn. Removing
          the gear box top, I dug out the mess as best as possible and then
          sprayed some engine de greaser into the box with the unit upside down
          (so any gunk would fall out on the ground ) and then did some more
          digging. A few cycles got all(most ) of the solid grease removed. I
          spread some CRC lubricant and did some more cleaning. The motor ran
          good after the cleaning. The first issue now is what to use as a
          replacement grease. I have old tubes of Lionel grease, auto wheel
          gear grease, Vaseline, or maybe something else?

          The solenoid that loads the logs in to the carriage tray worked
          strong. Have no logs to check its complete operation; I believe I
          need a 7/8 inch (?) dowel to test.

          With all the screwing around with the repair I broke the string cable
          that moves the log tray and I think the hook with the pulley may have
          a small piece broken off the end tip - not sure, didn't see any
          remains but it looks a little funny (incomplete). Before the string
          broke, the operation of the carriage tray for loading the logs into a
          car worked smoothly. The question here is what direction does the
          hook go into hole on the frame at the front - up from the bottom or
          down from the top (see photos). It appears to work best with the hook
          coming up from the bottom into the hole in the front frame. Also, do
          I have the string attached (positioned) correctly to the front bar on
          the log tray (see same photos).

          Also any comments for the type of string to use - the replacement
          cord I used appears to stretch.

          Thanks for any comments and help.

          Ted Walton
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81147 From: Brett Schormann Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Where are you getting the led lights from. Thanks.
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81148 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Bob - thanks for reminding me about Tomar - I think I may have stumbled upon that site a couple of years ago when I first started thinking about this.  I can't quite tell what the state of their business is, based on a quick look at their website, but I'll give it a shot and see what happens.  They certainly do have a lot of drumheads to chose from (decisions, decisions...).

          - Rich
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81149 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Rich,
             Glad to help.As a last resort you can take a piece of  thin clear styrene cut to shape and scratch build a frame from sheet styrene or structural shape styrene apply a decal of the drumhead (some decal sets have a decal of the drumhead for this purpose) and using white LED's light it from behind of course. I say LED's because they give off no heat that would warp or otherwise ruin your drumhead. These actually look pretty good.
              Bob Lampe
               Kalispell, MT
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81150 From: richs009 Date: 1/17/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Brett - I hadn't really scoped all that out - my local electronics store (Berkeley, CA) had some small SMD LEDs, but I haven't been back to pick them over and figure out what I want.  As you will see in a related reply, I'm reminded about Tomar Industries drumheads - so if that works out, I won't have to build my own...
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81151 From: richs009 Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Bob - thanks.  I'm going to see what I can get from Tomar as you suggested.  the impression I have from their website is that their drumheads are thin cylinders or, in some cases, rectangles with artwork on the drumhead itself - backlit with an LED.  The have an extensive list of actual railroad names and associated passenger train names.  I'll try to get in touch with them in the next few days.

          Rich
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81152 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: led's

          There are a number of sources for LED's since Radio Shack went out of business. Actually they did not go out of business they just closed most if not all of their retail stores. You can still get items by mail order or online. Other sources are Mouser Electronics, Jameco Electronics, Archer Electronics and a few others just google LED's or electronic components. All have colored LED's in red blue green yellow and clear. Walthers has or had some bright white LED's for locomotive headlights. Accu-lites may be another source for LED's

                         Bob Lampe

                         Kalispell, MT
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81153 From: Mike Leahy Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: Trainminder Program Solved

          I went to the University of Colorado to see the “Bug Busters”.  At least that is what they used to be called, and my wife worked at CU for 20 years.  That allowed me to have them transfer my old programs to my new computer.  They were the ones that got my Trainminder Program back and running.  Thanks to the people that responded trying to help me recover 20 plus years of information.

          Mike Leahy

           

           

          Sent from Mail for Windows 10

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81154 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Rich,
             Back when Tomar first came out and I was still in HO I got one of their drumhead kits for the Northern Pacific's lightweight North Coast Limited. It included an aluminum rectangular frame, the mylar with the NCL logo printed on it in color and a standard 12 volt light bulb. It looked pretty good but the light bulb got hot and warped the drumhead. LED's will be much better as they do not radiate heat plus they are brighter. Before Tomar came out with their drumhead kits Microscale Northern Pacific passenger car decal sheets had on them a decal of the drumhead. I applied the decal to a small rectangular piece of clear mylar and made my own frame for it and lit it with a standard 12 v light bulb. The light bulb got hot as you can expect and warped the drumhead.
                                                               Bob Lampe
                                                               Kalispell, MT
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81155 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads

          Hi Bob,

           

          Just to clear up any misconceptions, LED lamps do indeed produce heat when operating.  We just do not notice the heat in toy train and many other applications because LED lamps are very much more efficient than incandescent bulbs, and more of the power used by a LED goes into making light rather than heat.   

           

          Jerry F.

           

          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 10:38 AM
          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [S-Trains] Re: lighted drumheads

           

           

          Rich,

             Back when Tomar first came out and I was still in HO I got one of their drumhead kits for the Northern Pacific's lightweight North Coast Limited. It included an aluminum rectangular frame, the mylar with the NCL logo printed on it in color and a standard 12 volt light bulb. It looked pretty good but the light bulb got hot and warped the drumhead. LED's will be much better as they do not radiate heat plus they are brighter. Before Tomar came out with their drumhead kits Microscale Northern Pacific passenger car decal sheets had on them a decal of the drumhead. I applied the decal to a small rectangular piece of clear mylar and made my own frame for it and lit it with a standard 12 v light bulb. The light bulb got hot as you can expect and warped the drumhead.

                                                               Bob Lampe

                                                               Kalispell, MT
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81156 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/18/2019
          Subject: Re: led's
          Best source for model railroad lights...

          https://www.modeltrainsoftware.com
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81157 From: hhisgauger Date: 1/20/2019
          Subject: New Lionel Catalogue
          Heard it was out? Any truth to the rumor ?
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81158 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 1/20/2019
          Subject: Re: lighted drumheads
          Thanks, Jerry,
               I did not know that.I just took it for granted that LED's did not produce heat cause when I would touch an LED it was cool compared to an incandescent bulb which was hot. i have actually burned my fingers on incandescent bulbs which I am sure many have done. With LED;s that is no longer a concern.
                          Bob Lampe 
                           Kalispell, MT
              
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81159 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/20/2019
          Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue

          Not online yet, but I listed the new AF items in my January E-Newsletter, sent last night.

          I only send it to folks who request to receive it, to avoid SPAMming charges.

           

          <<< Heard it was out? Any truth to the rumor ?

          >>>  

          Doug Peck
          Port Lines Hobby Supply
          6 Storeybrooke Drive
          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
          doug@...
          www.portlines.com
          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81160 From: crossing5423 Date: 1/20/2019
          Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue
          Please send your January newsletter thank you bob

          Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
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          On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          Not online yet, but I listed the new AF items in my January E-Newsletter, sent last night.

          I only send it to folks who request to receive it, to avoid SPAMming charges.

           

          <<< Heard it was out? Any truth to the rumor ?

          >>>  

          Doug Peck
          Port Lines Hobby Supply
          6 Storeybrooke Drive
          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
          doug@...
          www.portlines.com
          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

           
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81161 From: chuck_7612 Date: 1/20/2019
          Subject: Re: New Lionel Catalogue
          Some hobby shops have it, but won't be online until the 23rd. Here is a link where someone has listed the S contents of it:

          https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/flyer-2019-catalog-description-summary?reply=82382494864795638#82382494864795638
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81162 From: EdSauers Date: 1/21/2019
          Subject: 770 wiring question
          Group,
           
          When using the 712 Special track with my 770 how does the 712 get wired? I only have a 770 control box so does in share the output post on the 770 control box or do I need another controller to activate the 734 boxcar?
           
          Thanks
           
          Ed Sauers
           
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          Group: S-Trains Message: 81163 From: Robert Graves Date: 1/21/2019
          Subject: Re: 770 wiring question
          You do need a separate controller. If you connect them together, the boxcar will eject a box every time you load one into it.

          I did that on my module of our train club layout, but found that the boxcar doesn't eject it with enough force to get the box onto the 770 platform; it always ends up on the ground, between the track and the 770.. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but it didn't work out. Test yours before you set it up permanently.

          Bob Graves
          TheGilbertGallery.org


          On Monday, January 21, 2019, 9:00:55 AM PST, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


           

          Group,
           
          When using the 712 Special track with my 770 how does the 712 get wired? I only have a 770 control box so does in share the output post on the 770 control box or do I need another controller to activate the 734 boxcar?
           
          Thanks
           
          Ed Sauers
           
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          Group: S-Trains Message: 81164 From: EdSauers Date: 1/21/2019
          Subject: Re: 770 wiring question
          Bob,
           
          OK, Thanks for your suggestion
           
          Ed Sauers
           
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          From: Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: 1/21/2019 1:33:45 PM
          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 770 wiring question
           

          You do need a separate controller. If you connect them together, the boxcar will eject a box every time you load one into it.

          I did that on my module of our train club layout, but found that the boxcar doesn't eject it with enough force to get the box onto the 770 platform; it always ends up on the ground, between the track and the 770.. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but it didn't work out.. Test yours before you set it up permanently.

          Bob Graves
          TheGilbertGallery.org


          On Monday, January 21, 2019, 9:00:55 AM PST, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


           

          Group,
           
          When using the 712 Special track with my 770 how does the 712 get wired? I only have a 770 control box so does in share the output post on the 770 control box or do I need another controller to activate the 734 boxcar?
           
          Thanks
           
          Ed Sauers
           
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          Group: S-Trains Message: 81165 From: alsflyer Date: 1/29/2019
          Subject: Passing of the Founder of the Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club

          Dear Wonderful American Flyer Friends,

          Gene Dovenbarger passed away this morning from complications due to a stroke.

          American Flyer toy trains was one of his passions! He was so glad to meet all of you with the same passion and start the Golden Spike American Flyer Club!!

          It's been an honor and huge pleasure to get together with all of you on a regular basis to talk trains and run trains! We treasure your friendship!

          The viewing will be Thursday 31 January from 6-8 pm at Myers Mortuary in Roy. Funeral services will be Friday, 1 February at 11:00 am at the LDS Chapel on 4250 S 2175 W in Roy.

          Watch for an obituary in the Standard Examiner. Hopefully we'll be able to submit it before the funeral!

          Best Regards,

          Karen Dovenbarger


          Gene founded the Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club in April 1993, with 15 men joining him. The club is 25 years old and going strong.  We will all miss him and his great knowledge of American Flyer trains.
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81166 From: mmcconn12 Date: 1/30/2019
          Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemorativ

          Our club will be celebrating our 30th anniversary in July, 2019. To celebrate that event, we have partnered with American Models to produce a covered 3-bay "DuPont Alathon Polyethylene Resin" hopper car for us. This will be the first time this paint scheme is mass produced in S-Scale. 


          We chose this car because it best represents the industries found in our region from the 1950's through 1960's era. The car will be produced with 3 car numbers (one number '78919' is non-prototypical reflecting our July 1989-2019 anniversary). A choice of scale or hi-rail trucks & couplers will also be available.


          For more information about our car, please visit our club's website at https://southjerseysgaugers.org/Projects 
          Group: S-Trains Message: 81167 From: EdSauers Date: 1/30/2019
          Subject: electrical question
          Group,
           
          I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.
           
          I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?
           
          Thanks
           
          Ed Sauers
           
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          Group: S-Trains Message: 81168 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/30/2019
          Subject: Re: electrical question
          Attachments :

            Ed,

            I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

            Raulf Polichar

             

            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
            Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

             

             

            Group,

             

            I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

             

            I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

             

            Thanks

             

            Ed Sauers

             

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            Group: S-Trains Message: 81169 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 1/30/2019
            Subject: Re: electrical question

            Hi Ed,

             

            DO NOT under any circumstances use a knife switch for line voltage.  If you or someone else accidently touches one of the exposed connections you or they run the risk of an electric shock or even electrocution.  Knife switches are fine for fused low voltage circuits (below ~24 volts), but can be very dangerous for line voltage applications, and haven’t been used for that purpose here for many, many years. 

             

            Yes the green ground wire should be run directly to the base plate of the transformer.  The two power wires from the cord (the black HOT wire and the white NEUTRAL wire) should go to one side of a double pole, single throw (DPST) enclosed toggle switch mounted in an enclosure where the connections cannot be touched.  You can even get away with just interrupting the hot wire with a single pole, single throw (SPST) switch, but interrupting both wires is even better.  You can find the appropriate toggle switch at most hardware stores.  Tell the sales person what you want to do and they can help you find the correct switch and enclosure.

             

            Best of luck.

             

            Jerry F.

             

             

             

             

             

            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
            Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

             

             

            Group,

             

            I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

             

            I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

             

            Thanks

             

            Ed Sauers

             

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            Group: S-Trains Message: 81170 From: EdSauers Date: 1/30/2019
            Subject: Re: electrical question
            Attachments :
            Raulf,
             
            The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.
             
            Should have defined what I was using in my original post.
             
            Thanks
             
            Ed sauers
             
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            ----- Original Message -----
            From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM
            Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question
             

            Ed,

            I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

            Raulf Polichar

            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
            Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

             

            Group,

            I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

            I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

            Thanks

            Ed Sauers

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            Group: S-Trains Message: 81171 From: Alan Smith Date: 1/30/2019
            Subject: Re: electrical question
            ED,

            Raulf makes a very strong case why you should not proceed with your idea.   The potential  for a bad results is overwhelming .
            A handy box with a standard light switch and the right connectors would do the task and most importantly, be safe with nothing exposed. 

            Probably for 5 dollars or less.

             Alan

            On Jan 30, 2019, at 10:32 PM, 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


            Ed,

            I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

            Raulf Polichar

             

            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] 
            Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
            To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

             

             

            Group,

             

            I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

             

            I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

             

            Thanks

             

            Ed Sauers

             

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            Group: S-Trains Message: 81172 From: Doug Peck Date: 1/30/2019
            Subject: NASG Greeley's Place Contest

            Jamie Bothwell has announced the format for the 2019 Greeley’s Place Model Contest at the 2019 NASG Convention.

            Here’s the specs:

             

            <<<< This year's Greeley's Place Contest asks you to detail an S scale passenger car using details from Pre-Size Model Specialties (https://www.pre-size.com/). You can use details from other companies also, but you must have at least one part from Pre-Size to be eligible for prizes. Be prepared to point out your part or parts. As has become custom, you will receive a $5 entry honorarium, and our panel of esteemed judges will select winners for further cash prizes. You may enter as many cars as you like, but you will only get one honorarium. You can direct any questions to Jamie Bothwell (jamie.bothwell610@...).  >>>>

            Doug Peck

             
            Group: S-Trains Message: 81173 From: Raulf Polichar Date: 1/31/2019
            Subject: Re: electrical question [1 Attachment]
            Attachments :

              Ed,

              Sorry to jump the gun regarding safety.  Yes the green wire should connect to the transformer case bypassing the switch.  Is that plastic covered knife switch rated for 115VAC?

              Good luck

              Raulf

               

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:46 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electrical question [1 Attachment]

               

               

              Raulf,

               

              The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.

               

              Should have defined what I was using in my original post.

               

              Thanks

               

              Ed sauers

               

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              ----- Original Message -----

              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM

              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Ed,

              I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

              Raulf Polichar

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Group,

              I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

              I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

              Thanks

              Ed Sauers

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81174 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Pauf,
               
              actually it rated for 250 volts, but I decided to just use an old fashion surface mount round light switch.
               
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              ----- Original Message -----
              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: 1/31/2019 10:48:21 AM
              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question
               

              Ed,

              Sorry to jump the gun regarding safety.  Yes the green wire should connect to the transformer case bypassing the switch.  Is that plastic covered knife switch rated for 115VAC?

              Good luck

              Raulf

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:46 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electrical question [1 Attachment]

               

              Raulf,

              The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.

              Should have defined what I was using in my original post.

              Thanks

              Ed sauers

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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

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              To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM

              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Ed,

              I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

              Raulf Polichar

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Group,

              I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

              I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

              Thanks

              Ed Sauers

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81175 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Raul,
               
              I could make this setup even safer if I only use the switch for one of the two power wires. Correct?????
               
              Thanks for all info!!
               
              Ed S
               
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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: 1/31/2019 10:48:21 AM
              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question
               

              Ed,

              Sorry to jump the gun regarding safety.  Yes the green wire should connect to the transformer case bypassing the switch.  Is that plastic covered knife switch rated for 115VAC?

              Good luck

              Raulf

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:46 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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              Raulf,

              The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.

              Should have defined what I was using in my original post.

              Thanks

              Ed sauers

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              Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM

              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Ed,

              I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch.  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

              Raulf Polichar

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Group,

              I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

              I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

              Thanks

              Ed Sauers

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81176 From: n6ojj Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Ed, 
              Running Hot, Neutral, and Safety Ground together in a suitable power cord is the best way to go.  Risk of a shocking “accident” is greatly reduced.  Do you intend your switch will be used by yourself or by others?  

              Dave McBrayer 
              retired product safety engineer

              Sent from my iPad

              On Jan 31, 2019, at 08:23, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

               

              Raul,
               
              I could make this setup even safer if I only use the switch for one of the two power wires. Correct?????
               
              Thanks for all info!!
               
              Ed S
               
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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: 1/31/2019 10:48:21 AM
              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question
               

              Ed,

              Sorry to jump the gun regarding safety.  Yes the green wire should connect to the transformer case bypassing the switch.  Is that plastic covered knife switch rated for 115VAC?

              Good luck

              Raulf

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:46 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
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              Raulf,

              The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.

              Should have defined what I was using in my original post.

              Thanks

              Ed sauers

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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM

              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Ed,

              I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch..  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

              Raulf Polichar

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Group,

              I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

              I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

              Thanks

              Ed Sauers

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81177 From: EdSauers Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Dave,
               
              I was planning for others to turn on the power to 3 separate transformers. I might give up the knife switch and just install 3 surface mount light switches .
               
              Thanks for your advice
               
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              Sent: 1/31/2019 12:06:31 PM
              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electrical question
               

              Ed, 

              Running Hot, Neutral, and Safety Ground together in a suitable power cord is the best way to go.  Risk of a shocking “accident” is greatly reduced.  Do you intend your switch will be used by yourself or by others?  

              Dave McBrayer 
              retired product safety engineer

              Sent from my iPad

              On Jan 31, 2019, at 08:23, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

               

              Raul,
               
              I could make this setup even safer if I only use the switch for one of the two power wires. Correct?????
               
              Thanks for all info!!
               
              Ed S
               
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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: 1/31/2019 10:48:21 AM
              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question
               

              Ed,

              Sorry to jump the gun regarding safety.  Yes the green wire should connect to the transformer case bypassing the switch.  Is that plastic covered knife switch rated for 115VAC?

              Good luck

              Raulf

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:46 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electrical question [1 Attachment]

               

              Raulf,

              The switch I want to use is enclosed in plastic....please see attached.

              Should have defined what I was using in my original post.

              Thanks

              Ed sauers

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              From: 'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

              Sent: 1/30/2019 10:32:38 PM

              Subject: RE: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Ed,

              I normally figure to each his own but WHY would you like to switch 115VAC with an open knife switch..  It seems like an accident waiting to happen. Regardless of how you wire it, you have live high voltage on open exposed contacts.  No offence but WHY would you do this?

              Raulf Polichar

              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
              Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 3:43 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] electrical question

               

              Group,

              I have an electrical question for the electrician on this group.

              I want to use a knife switch to turn on/off power to my AF transformer. I plan on using some old computer power cords that have 3 prongs, I will be running the two power wires to one side of the knife switch and then two wire from the other side of the knife switch to the transformer. My question is can / should I run the green ground wire directly to the base plate of the transformer?

              Thanks

              Ed Sauers

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81178 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              We had this discussion before when I was modifying some Flyer transformers with new cord, LED  meters and bridge rectifiers to convert
              the output to DC.  I was grounding the old Flyer transformer using the three wire cords and some commented that the original was only two wire
              so grounding wasn't necessary.  I felt if produced today Flyer transformers would have 3 pin cords with ground.

              All the Flyer transformers I have had an off/on toggle switch.  I got rid of the OEM little buzzbox a long time ago.  What is the largest Flyer transformer
              without an off/on switch?  I wouldn't bother trying to run trains with a low wattage transformer when some of the larger ones already have an off/on switch
              from the factory and on-line sell for affordable prices.

              ken clark


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              From: d_mcbrayer@... [S-Trains]
              To: S-Trains
              Sent: Thu, Jan 31, 2019 9:28 am
              Subject: Re: [S-Trains] electrical question

               
              Ed, 
              Running Hot, Neutral, and Safety Ground together in a suitable power cord is the best way to go.  Risk of a shocking “accident” is greatly reduced.  Do you intend your switch will be used by yourself or by others?  

              Dave McBrayer 
              retired product safety engineer
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81179 From: Michael Strickland Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              How about a Power Strip?
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81180 From: racin510 Date: 1/31/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Ever hear of a wall light switch [?]; what everyone I know with a layout uses and designed to be perfectly safe.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81181 From: John Keating Date: 2/1/2019
              Subject: Re: electrical question
              Another option is a power strip with overload protection.

              John Keating

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81182 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Looking for leads on S Helper 35ft semi trailers for s

              Our second choice for the 2018 NASG Convention car was going to be an MTH TOFC with the short trailer.  They said OK.

              Then they informed us that they had no tooling for it.

              Then I inquired of Don, and that’s when he discovered the tooling was never delivered.

              Then we switched to Plan 3 with MTH, which they never followed through on…..seemed to have no interest.

              As time was getting short (only about a year left), we had to shift gears and go with a new Plan 4 !

              And most of you know what happened with that plan !

              BUT…..I hope to have good news to post next week.

              Check the  bsgr.us  website next week for an update, and cross your fingers!

               

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
              doug@...
              www.portlines.com
              Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
              Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
              VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

               

              From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of Bob Werre
              Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 11:57 AM
              To: S-Scale@...
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Looking for leads on S Helper 35ft semi trailers for sale.

               

              Mel, Kent,

              SHS did sell the trailers individually,  they came factory boxed that way. 

              Bob Werre

              kent:

              good luck, you might have better luck

              with mth, problem is shs sold their

              trailers with flat cars only, you probably

              would have to buy a minimum from mth,

              or if you know someone into 3d cad,

              you could probably have some printed,

              not cheap, but your only alternative

              good luck

              mel perry

               

              On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 6:15 PM Kent Loewen  wrote:

              I am reaching out to see if I can locate some S helper 35ft horizontal corrugated trailers if anyone has any leads on some available etc. 
              One on the list is a Great Northern trailer. 
              http://www.nasg.org/SProductGallery/SHelperService/SHS_tofc_00304.jpg

              Thanks Kent 

              Group: S-Trains Message: 81183 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Looking for Flyonel Big Boy

              As misfortune would have it, I sold my Flyonel Big Boy a few years ago and now am looking to replace it for our layout at Union Station.

              If anyone knows of one for sale, please let me know :)

              Roy Inman

               

               

              On 02/04/2019 12:37 PM, Doug Peck wrote:

              Our second choice for the 2018 NASG Convention car was going to be an MTH TOFC with the short trailer.  They said OK.

              Then they informed us that they had no tooling for it.

              Then I inquired of Don, and that’s when he discovered the tooling was never delivered.

              Then we switched to Plan 3 with MTH, which they never followed through on…..seemed to have no interest.

              As time was getting short (only about a year left), we had to shift gears and go with a new Plan 4 !

              And most of you know what happened with that plan !

              BUT…..I hope to have good news to post next week.

              Check the  bsgr.us  website next week for an update, and cross your fingers!

               

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
              doug@...
              www.portlines.com
              Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
              Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
              VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

               

              From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of Bob Werre
              Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 11:57 AM
              To: S-Scale@...
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Looking for leads on S Helper 35ft semi trailers for sale.

               

              Mel, Kent,

              SHS did sell the trailers individually,  they came factory boxed that way. 

              Bob Werre

              kent:

              good luck, you might have better luck

              with mth, problem is shs sold their

              trailers with flat cars only, you probably

              would have to buy a minimum from mth,

              or if you know someone into 3d cad,

              you could probably have some printed,

              not cheap, but your only alternative

              good luck

              mel perry

               

              On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 6:15 PM Kent Loewen  wrote:

              I am reaching out to see if I can locate some S helper 35ft horizontal corrugated trailers if anyone has any leads on some available etc. 
              One on the list is a Great Northern trailer. 
              http://www.nasg.org/SProductGallery/SHelperService/SHS_tofc_00304.jpg

              Thanks Kent 


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              www.portlines.com

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81184 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Open auto carrier

              Speaking of special-run cars, I have always wanted an open auto carrier. 

              Several years ago another S guy and I tried our best to talk Don Thompson into it, but he and other manufactures apparently thought in was not commercially viable.

              Am I the only one?

              Roy inman
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81185 From: Edward Davis Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: Open auto carrier
              You might be interested in Lionel's -MPC.. auto carrier, open, with racks, two decks and good length for S conversion. Black and lettered for N&W.I have one for sale, only thing is you'd have to swap the trucks. I've done it with many Lionel[ and MArx]cars and the truck spacing has always worked out.. If intrested write  back. Ed Davis

              On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 12:59 PM rinphoto@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
               

              Speaking of special-run cars, I have always wanted an open auto carrier. 

              Several years ago another S guy and I tried our best to talk Don Thompson into it, but he and other manufactures apparently thought in was not commercially viable.

              Am I the only one?

              Roy inman
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81186 From: snstrains Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: Looking for Flyonel Big Boy
              Roy,
              I have one that needs new traction bands on the drivers (I have them).They didn't seem to hold up long. It only has about 10-12 hrs on it. Been setting in the box now since 2014. You can phone me at 208-376-1159 or email me at snstrains@... for a price.

              Steve Blackburn
              Boise, Id.
              In a message dated 2/4/2019 1:59:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

               

               

              As misfortune would have it, I sold my Flyonel Big Boy a few years ago and now am looking to replace it for our layout at Union Station.

              If anyone knows of one for sale, please let me know :)

              Roy Inman

               


              On 02/04/2019 12:37 PM, Doug Peck wrote:

              Our second choice for the 2018 NASG Convention car was going to be an MTH TOFC with the short trailer.  They said OK.

              Then they informed us that they had no tooling for it.

              Then I inquired of Don, and that’s when he discovered the tooling was never delivered.

              Then we switched to Plan 3 with MTH, which they never followed through on…..seemed to have no interest.

              As time was getting short (only about a year left), we had to shift gears and go with a new Plan 4 !

              And most of you know what happened with that plan !

              BUT…..I hope to have good news to post next week.

              Check the  bsgr.us  website next week for an update, and cross your fingers!

               

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
              doug@...
              www.portlines.com
              Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
              Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
              VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

               

              From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of Bob Werre
              Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 11:57 AM
              To: S-Scale@...
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Looking for leads on S Helper 35ft semi trailers for sale.

               

              Mel, Kent,

              SHS did sell the trailers individually,  they came factory boxed that way.

              Bob Werre

              kent:

              good luck, you might have better luck

              with mth, problem is shs sold their

              trailers with flat cars only, you probably

              would have to buy a minimum from mth,

              or if you know someone into 3d cad,

              you could probably have some printed,

              not cheap, but your only alternative

              good luck

              mel perry

               

              On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 6:15 PM Kent Loewen  wrote:

              I am reaching out to see if I can locate some S helper 35ft horizontal corrugated trailers if anyone has any leads on some available etc. 
              One on the list is a Great Northern trailer. 
              http://www.nasg.org/SProductGallery/SHelperService/SHS_tofc_00304.jpg

              Thanks Kent


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              www.portlines.com

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81187 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers

              I have 4 of the Flyonel cylindrical hoppers with scale wheels. I purchased 4 pair of 100T Barber roller bearing trucks from Jim King at Smoky Mountain Model Works. I bought these trucks because they are closer to what the prototype I model uses. That prototype railroad is the Butte Anaconda & Pacific. Does anyone have any experience swapping trucks on these and/or adding Kadee couplers? I am thinking I can just epoxy the Kadee draft gear boxes to the underframe but I am not sure if I wiil need to change truck bolsters or if I can just use the stock ones as is? I thought that if the original truck mounting screw were too large in diameter I could epoxy in a short piece of plastruct tubing to make a screw mount for the new trucks. Anybody have any ideas or suggestions?

                                                                                  Bob Lampe

                                                                                  Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81188 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Back in the day

              I remember "back in the day" when a lot of guys scratch built what they needed. oine of the las was the late Jess Bennett of Careywood, Idaho. Jess had some of the most beautiful brass locomotives i have ever seen and he built them all himself using parts from S Scale Locomotive and supply. The boilers were made using brass tubing that was used for sink drains. Brass shim stock from auto parts stores was used to make boiler wrappers. Jess put a lot of hours building one particular model but the ends result was awesome. I had the good fortune of knowing Jess in the late 80's only a few years before he passed. I had numerous diagrams he made for me so as to build my own locomotives. Sadly my ex-wife tossed them out not knowing how priceless they were. Jess told me that Claude Wade who owned and started S scale Locomotive and Supply sold the business to Fred Rouse and then Claude passed away. Some time later Jess himself passed. The last I heard was that Fred Rouse sold the business but it is unknown to whom. I keep hoping that some day soon we will see S scale Locomotive and Supply resurrected. Parts could be used to convert Flyonel locomotives to scale and/or construct a totally different model from an American models locomotive.

                                                                                 Bob Lampe

                                                                                 Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81189 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
              I own a couple pair of the SMMW roller bearing trucks but have yet to find a special use for them.  I also own Ace, SHS, and AM roller bearing trucks; each is slightly different from the others, including truck bolster height, so some tinkering is often necessary.
              Ordinarily, there would be no reason not to use the Lionel trucks, replacing the bolsters and adjusting the wheel gage, but as you say the SMMW are closer 
              to your prototype, that is understandable.
              One caveat: I am not sure why you would want to epoxy your Kadees to the car.  My experience is that is a bad idea, as it will prevent your removing them
              for service (are you CERTAIN you'll never break a knuckle?  Or want to tinker with different springs?).  Epoxy is not always a permanent fix, either.  I strongly recommend tapping the holes in the car floor 0-80 (in preference to the coarse thread ones included with Kadees).  Much easier to detach if needed, and 
              I can't imagine machine screws coming out of tapped holes in any kind of service.  Whether you will want a spacer for them will depend on how your 
              SMMW trucks put the coupler height--sometimes it is easier to play with that than raising the car with washers between bolsters.
              As I recall with my AF/Lionel covered hoppers, the truck kingpins are a self-tapping metric screw (probably for faster unit assembly in the PRC), so I retapped them for 2-56.  Unhappily, there is not a lot of depth in the car floor to hold them (just barely enough, I found), and you will not want to drill and tap deeper, as the bolsters are located right under the car end and would be very visible. 

              Jace Kahn
              General Manager
              Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.


              From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 4:50 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
               
               

              I have 4 of the Flyonel cylindrical hoppers with scale wheels. I purchased 4 pair of 100T Barber roller bearing trucks from Jim King at Smoky Mountain Model Works. I bought these trucks because they are closer to what the prototype I model uses. That prototype railroad is the Butte Anaconda & Pacific. Does anyone have any experience swapping trucks on these and/or adding Kadee couplers? I am thinking I can just epoxy the Kadee draft gear boxes to the underframe but I am not sure if I wiil need to change truck bolsters or if I can just use the stock ones as is? I thought that if the original truck mounting screw were too large in diameter I could epoxy in a short piece of plastruct tubing to make a screw mount for the new trucks. Anybody have any ideas or suggestions?

                                                                                  Bob Lampe

                                                                                  Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81190 From: John Degnan Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier

              Roy's "another S guy" may have been me... as I once tried to get everyone on the train so Don could justify producing a Evans Rack accessory to go on their GSC flat car.  But trying to wrangle the S community to support that project proved to be a pointless and wasted effort.


              I do, however, still have most of the material I came up with pertaining to that project... I even found the copyright concept drawings for the prototype car, which turned out to be a one-shot, experimental auto rack built on a NYC GATC flat car (VERY similar to the GSC flat).  (see attached pics)


              I thought I still had the dimensional drawings for the sides of the Evans rack... but I can't seem to find them now.



              John D

              Scaler164@...



              On February 4, 2019 at 3:39 PM Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:

              Speaking of special-run cars, I have always wanted an open auto carrier. 

              Several years ago another S guy and I tried our best to talk Don Thompson into it, but he and other manufactures apparently thought in was not commercially viable.

              Am I the only one?

              Roy inman


               

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81191 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier

              Yep, you were the other S guy. The originals from the 1950’s were a mere 60’ long, shorter than the old AF passenger cars, so I know they would negotiate 20” radius Flyer track.

              Roy Inman

               

               

              On 02/04/2019 07:03 PM, John Degnan wrote:

              Roy's "another S guy" may have been me... as I once tried to get everyone on the train so Don could justify producing a Evans Rack accessory to go on their GSC flat car.  But trying to wrangle the S community to support that project proved to be a pointless and wasted effort.

               

              I do, however, still have most of the material I came up with pertaining to that project... I even found the copyright concept drawings for the prototype car, which turned out to be a one-shot, experimental auto rack built on a NYC GATC flat car (VERY similar to the GSC flat).  (see attached pics)

               

              I thought I still had the dimensional drawings for the sides of the Evans rack... but I can't seem to find them now.

               

               

              John D

              Scaler164@...

               

               

              On February 4, 2019 at 3:39 PM Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:

              Speaking of special-run cars, I have always wanted an open auto carrier. 

              Several years ago another S guy and I tried our best to talk Don Thompson into it, but he and other manufactures apparently thought in was not commercially viable.

              Am I the only one?

              Roy inman


               


               

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81192 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/4/2019
              Subject: Re: Back in the day
              Oh, I think she knew (thinking of MY ex-wife who hated anything I liked).

              I had numerous diagrams he made for me so as to build my own locomotives. Sadly my ex-wife tossed them out not knowing how priceless they were.

              Jace Kahn
              General Manager
              Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.



               

              I remember "back in the day" when a lot of guys scratch built what they needed. oine of the las was the late Jess Bennett of Careywood, Idaho. Jess had some of the most beautiful brass locomotives i have ever seen and he built them all himself using parts from S Scale Locomotive and supply. The boilers were made using brass tubing that was used for sink drains. Brass shim stock from auto parts stores was used to make boiler wrappers. Jess put a lot of hours building one particular model but the ends result was awesome. I had the good fortune of knowing Jess in the late 80's only a few years before he passed. I had numerous diagrams he made for me so as to build my own locomotives. Sadly my ex-wife tossed them out not knowing how priceless they were. Jess told me that Claude Wade who owned and started S scale Locomotive and Supply sold the business to Fred Rouse and then Claude passed away. Some time later Jess himself passed. The last I heard was that Fred Rouse sold the business but it is unknown to whom. I keep hoping that some day soon we will see S scale Locomotive and Supply resurrected. Parts could be used to convert Flyonel locomotives to scale and/or construct a totally different model from an American models locomotive.

                                                                                 Bob Lampe

                                                                                 Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81193 From: snstrains Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: Re: Back in the day
              Sam Rapp and I visited with and interviewed Jess just before he passed away. We did a video interview and it is the last of his life. We also did another quick take of his fabulous layout and locomotives that same day. Going to put it and some other stuff in "S-Gauge model Railroading" volume Vlll some day. Have just been to darn busy to get it done.

              Steve Blackburn
              S-n-S Trains
              Boise, Id.
              In a message dated 2/4/2019 5:49:05 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

               

               

              I remember "back in the day" when a lot of guys scratch built what they needed. oine of the las was the late Jess Bennett of Careywood, Idaho. Jess had some of the most beautiful brass locomotives i have ever seen and he built them all himself using parts from S Scale Locomotive and supply. The boilers were made using brass tubing that was used for sink drains. Brass shim stock from auto parts stores was used to make boiler wrappers. Jess put a lot of hours building one particular model but the ends result was awesome. I had the good fortune of knowing Jess in the late 80's only a few years before he passed. I had numerous diagrams he made for me so as to build my own locomotives. Sadly my ex-wife tossed them out not knowing how priceless they were. Jess told me that Claude Wade who owned and started S scale Locomotive and Supply sold the business to Fred Rouse and then Claude passed away.. Some time later Jess himself passed. The last I heard was that Fred Rouse sold the business but it is unknown to whom. I keep hoping that some day soon we will see S scale Locomotive and Supply resurrected. Parts could be used to convert Flyonel locomotives to scale and/or construct a totally different model from an American models locomotive.

                                                                                 Bob Lampe

                                                                                 Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81194 From: chuck_7612 Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
              The cars need no modification for kadees. They come ready for mounting.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81195 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
              As I think I tried to suggest, perhaps at such length as to become obscure, that would depend on which truck one uses, as they have differing bolster 
              heights.  Using Ben Trousdale's replacement truck bolsters with the original trucks does indeed allow attaching the Kadees directly to the car floor.
              I don't know about other roller bearing trucks, as I hadn't tried them.

              Jace Kahn
              General Manager
              Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.


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              Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 11:03 PM
              To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyonel cylindrical hoppers
               
               

              The cars need no modification for kadees. They come ready for mounting.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81196 From: Ray Puls Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: open auto carriers
              I don't know if you are more to the scale side of the hobby or not but a
              number of us in Badgerland have done the conversions of the Lionel open
              carriers. I will attempt to attach some pics, I will say for the most
              part we who have done this are high rail to Flyer folks. Two of these
              are early in the conversion process, the one pic with all 1955 Pontiacs
              is an example of how the cars look with specific model cars from one
              auto manufacturer. The cars length and width are very close to S gauge
              cars. Hope this may be of help.

              P.S. These cars are generally available at swap meets for reasonable
              prices, a car converted from O27 to S total cost with used Flyer trucks
              but no autos, around $20.00 to $25.00.

              Ray
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81197 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: Custom painting?

              One of my customers is looking to have an AF diecast K5 boiler shell stripped and repainted for PRR (black; Brunswick Green; and Rust-red cab roof). He already has a shell like this, but it has been damaged, so he wants his replacement shell painted.  Can anyone recommend someone who can do such a task?  It should not be a difficult paint job .  He is in PA, but it does not need to be someone near him.  ALL recommendations would be accepted and appreciated!

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81198 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/5/2019
              Subject: Re: Custom painting?
              Doug,
                  Try this guy, Mike Baker. https://tmbcustommodels.com/ A buddy of mine had some locomotives for different railroads painted and the guy did a terrific job. My buddy is also having him convert 2 diesels into electrics..The guy does good work. Check out his gallery. The Northern Pacific F unit is my buddy's
                                         Bob Lampe
                                         Kalispell, MT
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81199 From: Donald Keil Date: 2/6/2019
              Subject: Re: open auto carriers [2 Attachments]
              T done number of them and they run great on high rail but I love Mustangs
              Don

              On Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 11:40:10 AM EST, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


               


              I don't know if you are more to the scale side of the hobby or not but a
              number of us in Badgerland have done the conversions of the Lionel open
              carriers. I will attempt to attach some pics, I will say for the most
              part we who have done this are high rail to Flyer folks. Two of these
              are early in the conversion process, the one pic with all 1955 Pontiacs
              is an example of how the cars look with specific model cars from one
              auto manufacturer. The cars length and width are very close to S gauge
              cars. Hope this may be of help.

              P.S. These cars are generally available at swap meets for reasonable
              prices, a car converted from O27 to S total cost with used Flyer trucks
              but no autos, around $20.00 to $25.00.

              Ray
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81200 From: poniaj Date: 2/6/2019
              Subject: Re: Custom painting?
              Doug,

              I'm not volunteering, but to do the job right, the tender should be done at the same time to match the locomotive.  There are as many shades of Brunswick Green as there are people in S gauge!  I've also done a couple of these K5s, but I don't have that kind of time any more.

              Jerry Poniatowski
              Wayne, MI
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81201 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/6/2019
              Subject: Re: Custom painting?
              Jerry,
                  Not just Brunswick Green but every color on the spectrum. I remember back in about 71, just after Burlington Northern was formed from the merger, seeing a BN freight with 5 freshly painted locomotives, each must have been painted in a different shop, all having different shades of Cascades Green. I agree that the locomotive and tender should be painted at the same time. I too am bnot able to do the painting anymore that's why i will have Mike Baker at TMB Custom Models will do my painting
                                             Bob Lampe
                                             Kalispell, MT.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81202 From: David Date: 2/9/2019
              Subject: Concept Models
              Concept Models (http://www.con-sys.com/), Stockton, CA, seems to have discontinued their S line of kits. 

              A recent offering on ebay by seller 'coach_class' included the following text in the Item Description block:
               "Mfgr: Concept Models   
              Our company has dropped S Scale manufacturing. We are selling off some of the models created for advertising but have never been sold.....or advertised. This is a one-of-a-kind offering.              "                

              The item offered as a buy now sale was an assembled and painted advertising specimen of a Schnabel Car and Load kit in S, CPOX 820 with transformer load, without trucks.  I bought it.  A check of the Concept Models web site found it is being scrubbed of S content.  A few S buttons were still present but resulted in the annoying 404 message.  They are continuing their HO kit business. 

              I realize the number of S modelers is not huge.  Of those, the number of kit builders is smaller.  Of the kit builders, the number of repeat customers to a kit manufacturer is smaller yet.  I thank them giving S an honest try.  I have their IAPX 1028-37, 17300 gallon liquid Argon, Cryogenic Tank Car kit.  It was my first resin kit project.  I enjoyed building it. 

              Dave
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81203 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 2/21/2019
              Subject: Painting/weathering wheels

              A few days ago I had to make a trip to the VA medical Center at Fort Harrison, Montana about 4 hours east and slightly south of Kalispell. I usually take the DAV van so as to relax on the trip most of which is on secondary roads and there are no railroad tracks until you reach the small community of Avon, Montana The railroad runs between Helena, Montana and Missoula, Montana and also further east of Helena and west of Missoula. We had to stop at the grade crossing just out of Avon for an eastbound BNSF freight. The line, which is the old NP line is now MRL but BNSF has trackage rights. 

                  Anyway, I never really paid attention to the train until we got to the town of Elliston some 10 miles east of Avon. The BNSF freight took the siding and as we passed we had to slow while going through Elliston. I looked at the wheels on the freight cars and the wheels that were  being delivered and were on a flatcar and realized I been doing them wrong for years. The facing side of the wheels on the flatcar were rusty as you would expect from being in the elements but the wheels on the cars that were in use were not rusty. I would imagine that the back sides and axles were rusty but the wheel faces were, for a better description, grimy black. Oil and grease from the bearings was being flung on those wheels thus preventing rust. I would imagine locomotive wheels to be "grimy black" as well but I would also think the backs of locomotive wheels to also be "grimy black" due to the traction motors and lubrication of the gears. On our models it probably won't matter that much cause on the prototype you can't really tell unless you crawl under one when it is in the service bay. I'll pass on the chore. Ya learn something new every day.

                                                                                      Bob Lampe

                                                                                       Kalispell, Mt 
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81204 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/21/2019
              Subject: World's Greatest Hobby Show, Novi MI
              We, the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers, are setting our layout up at this show tomorrow, Friday.  It will be open to the public Saturday and Sunday.  Sew http://wghshow.com/nov2019/ for more details.  

              The location is 46100 Grand River Ave,  Novi, MI 48374.  If you're within driving distance, stop by.  All the really big model RR companies are expected to have representatives there.
              Tom Hawley
              Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81205 From: johntech Date: 2/21/2019
              Subject: Baldwin engine

              Hi guys

               

              I’m looking for a Baldwin engine with a non-working motor.  I have a new project that I’m working on

              and will be converting it over to dc then to dcc. I don’t need the shell, just the powered truck.

               

              you can contact me off line at johntech at bex dot net

               

              Thanks

               

              John Frankforther


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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81206 From: Doug Peck Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Lionel & MTH

              Wish I could report better, but with only a week left for advance orders, I haven’t had a single order for one.

              In fact, only two reservations for ANY of the new engines announced.

               

              << While I really like the SD70ACe and ES44AC locos that Lionel has released, like Rich my stable of those is getting a bit large. But I really like the UP Spirit of the Union Pacific SD70ACe they have announced. A great loco with a message of support for our troops, it would make a great runner at shows and other exhibitions. And with the paint scheme being very new (2017), it may be one that has been seen..

               

              Here’s the info from UP 

              https://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/commemorative/1943-spirit/index.htm

               

              I hope there are enough orders for it to get made...

               

              Michael

               

              >>  

               

              Doug Peck
              Port Lines Hobby Supply
              6 Storeybrooke Drive
              Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
              doug@...
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              Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81207 From: dphobbies Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Fox Valley Model HR Turnouts Back in Stock

              Just a note to advise we have just received a new stock of the Fox Valley Models HR/American Flyer compatible #5 turnouts.  We should have all back orders shipped by the weekend.  We also have a good supply FVM flex track, rial joiners and terminal joiners.  These turnouts are code 138 rail and are fully compatible with SHS, MTH and Lionel Fastrack products. They are available on our web store www.desplaineshobbies.com or you may order from a human being by phone at Des Plaines Hobbies 1-847-297-2118


              Ron Sebastian

              Des Plaines Hobbies
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81208 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Lionel & MTH

              We (the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers) got back home this Sunday evening from a weekend running our layout at the World’s Greatest Hobby show in Novi (Detroit suburb) Michigan.. I talked to a representative of Lionel who remind me that even though something you might like is in the new catalog, it is not guaranteed to be made. If they don’t get enough reservations for any item by Fri 8 March, it will go the way of Lionel’s highly advertised SD 40-2 . (That means we’ll never see it.)  I found certain items in that catalog that I’d like to have, and I have so informed my favourite retailer who, I trust, is placing his orders with Lionel.

              I also talked to someone at the Mike’s Train House booth. They have some plans for future S gauge products, though nothing that they didn’t get from SHS. He mentioned an NW2. They have developed a circuit board for their O gauge 44-tonner which will also fit in the S gauge switcher. He mentioned other items I don’t recall now, but I’m sure the deal will be the same as with Lionel. When they put out the announcement, enough of us have to place our orders, or the items won’t get made.

              Tom Hawley - Lansing Michigan USA

               
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81209 From: scubadoo22 Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: test message
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81210 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Re: Lionel & MTH
              Thanks for the update Tom. Good news from mth about the switchers. Chris Burger


              On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:39 AM, 'Tom Hawley' t.hawley@... [S-Trains]
              <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
               

              We (the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers) got back home this Sunday evening from a weekend running our layout at the World’s Greatest Hobby show in Novi (Detroit suburb) Michigan.. I talked to a representative of Lionel who remind me that even though something you might like is in the new catalog, it is not guaranteed to be made. If they don’t get enough reservations for any item by Fri 8 March, it will go the way of Lionel’s highly advertised SD 40-2 . (That means we’ll never see it.)  I found certain items in that catalog that I’d like to have, and I have so informed my favourite retailer who, I trust, is placing his orders with Lionel.

              I also talked to someone at the Mike’s Train House booth. They have some plans for future S gauge products, though nothing that they didn’t get from SHS. He mentioned an NW2. They have developed a circuit board for their O gauge 44-tonner which will also fit in the S gauge switcher. He mentioned other items I don’t recall now, but I’m sure the deal will be the same as with Lionel. When they put out the announcement, enough of us have to place our orders, or the items won’t get made.

              Tom Hawley - Lansing Michigan USA

               
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81211 From: JOHN METZGER Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Re: test message
              I got this message. 

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81212 From: Edward Davis Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Re: test message
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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81213 From: Mark Speichert Date: 2/25/2019
              Subject: Re: test message
              Test good

              On Monday, February 25, 2019, 3:53:31 PM CST, Edward Davis bigedirt5543@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


               

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81214 From: Scubadoo22 Date: 2/26/2019
              Subject: Re: test message
              Thanks all!

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81215 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/26/2019
              Subject: Diesels
              Hi all:
              Anyone have a diesel such as the SD70ACE (or similar six wheel trucks)
              in ATSF (or BNSR) warbonnet colors with AC, high rail capabilities that
              they are willing to part with?  Please contact off group with pertinent
              details.  Prefer with box in excellent condition.
              thanks
              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)
              ps Have US address for mailing diesel.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81216 From: Robert Graves Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: San Diego S Gaugers' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout
              In August of 2012, we visited John Constans' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout on a layout tour. Little did we know that six years later, his widow would donate it to our club in his memory. We have transported it to the side room of our clubhouse, reinforced it, and created a new mount for it. We are now in the process of refurbishing it for public display. Check it out on the club's website:





              Bob Graves
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81217 From: bigsticks1@aol.com Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: Re: San Diego S Gaugers' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout
              Really happy for you all. What a great decision his widow made for the S group.




               
              In August of 2012, we visited John Constans' Westside Lumber Sn3 Layout on a layout tour. Little did we know that six years later, his widow would donate it to our club in his memory. We have transported it to the side room of our clubhouse, reinforced it, and created a new mount for it.. We are now in the process of refurbishing it for public display. Check it out on the club's website:





              Bob Graves
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81218 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: diesels
              Hi all:
              Anyone have a diesel such as the SD70ACE (or similar six wheel trucks)
              in ATSF (or BNSR) warbonnet colors with AC, high rail capabilities that
              they are willing to sell?  Please contact me off line with pertinent
              details.  Prefer with box in excellent (like new?) looking and running
              condition.
              thanks
              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)
              ps I have US addresses for mailing diesel.
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81219 From: EdSauers Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: Another Mail Car issue
              Group,
               
              I have a problem with my mail car, when it runs through a 720A switch it's arm is activating, the train enters the turnout from the frog end (switch set to through direction) the mail car arm activates when the pickup wheels contact the rails of the switch (just for a brief second but long enough to throw out the pouch it just picked up). runs through the same switch in the diverging route with no problems. what's strange is, if I remove the car and replace it sometimes it will go through the switch without activating the arm one or two times
               
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              ....but on the next pass through it starts again.
               
              Any thoughts?
               
              Thanks
               
              Ed Sauers
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81220 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Diesels

              Forwarded message

               

              D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

               

              From: S-Scale@... [mailto:S-Scale@...] On Behalf Of Bill Lane
              Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 5:49 PM
              To: S-Scale@...
              Subject: [S-Scale] Diesels

               

              Forwarding for Rance

               

              Would someone please send the following message to S-Trains@...? 

              I haven't been able to get it through to them! Guess I am not a

              member??  Maybe I missed the transfer many moons ago.  Thank you. 

              Possibly the 'owner' could register me as a member (please contact me

              off line)

              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

               

              Hi all:

              Anyone have a diesel such as the SD70ACE (or similar six wheel trucks)

              in ATSF (or BNSR) warbonnet colors with AC, high rail capabilities that

              they are willing to sell?  Please contact me off group with pertinent

              details.  Prefer with box in excellent (like new?) looking and running

              condition.

              thanks

              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

              ps I have US addresses for mailing diesel.

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81221 From: Tom Hawley Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] Diesels
              ----- Original Message -----
              Forwarding for Rance

              Would someone please send the following message to S-Trains@...?  I haven't been able to get it through to them! Guess I am not a member??  Maybe I missed the transfer many moons ago.  Thank you. 

              Possibly the 'owner' could register me as a member (please contact me off line)

              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                Hi all:

              Anyone have a diesel such as the SD70ACE (or similar six wheel trucks)  in ATSF (or BNSR) warbonnet colors with AC, high rail capabilities that they are willing to sell?  Please contact me off group with pertinent  details.  Prefer with box in excellent (like new?) looking and running condition.

              thanks

              Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

              ps I have US addresses for mailing diesel.

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              Group: S-Trains Message: 81222 From: poniaj Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
              It's possible that the bearing journals on the truck with the arm are worn enough to have the side frame contact a rail...  Difficult to say for sure.  Check the position of the metal wheels too.  Going one way makes it work and the other way, not.  Keep "base" and variable rails in their proper position.  Also, the car will not operate in both directions, only in the one where the mail post is wired correctly.  

              I could be wrong.  My wife usually tell me so.

              Jerry Poniatowski
              Wayne, MI
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81223 From: EdSauers Date: 2/27/2019
              Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
              Jerry,
               
              Ok, I look over the side frame and double check my wiring!!
               
              Thanks for the suggestions
               
              Ed S
               
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              ----- Original Message -----
              From: poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: 2/27/2019 6:30:45 PM
              Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Another Mail Car issue
               

              It's possible that the bearing journals on the truck with the arm are worn enough to have the side frame contact a rail...  Difficult to say for sure.  Check the position of the metal wheels too.  Going one way makes it work and the other way, not.  Keep "base" and variable rails in their proper position.  Also, the car will not operate in both directions, only in the one where the mail post is wired correctly.  

              I could be wrong.  My wife usually tell me so.

              Jerry Poniatowski
              Wayne, MI
              Group: S-Trains Message: 81224 From: John Degnan Date: 3/2/2019
              Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Open auto carrier (one more time)
              Attachments :

                During this now-dormant discussion a short time back, I mentioned having once done a drawings of the side panels of the Evans Rack I was going to try to build to represent the NYC's one-shot Evans Auto Carrier car.  At that time I could not find that old drawing... but it just happened to rear it's ugly head today, so here it is.


                Bask ye all in the glory!!!... <ahem> see attachment.


                This side panel was designed to fit on the SHS GSC flat car.  I never got around to drawing the design for the top deck (which was essentially NOT a "deck" proper, but rather some sort of steel grid with car tire 'tracks' (ramps) attached, but I had/have a general idea for how it should have and probably looked.



                John Degnan

                Scaler164@...

                My wife texted me today and told me she missed me.  I hope her aim never improves!
                Group: S-Trains Message: 81225 From: John Degnan Date: 3/2/2019
                Subject: Wanted : AF Trains for Disabled Dad's Child
                Attachments :

                  To make a long story as short as possible...


                  My next-door neighbor's 8 year old grandson has been living with them for the past month while his dad has been going through some out-of-town medical cars due to injuries.  Luckily, the parents live near us so the child didn't have to change schools.  But the little guy has taken a fancy to my train collection beyond even what my own children have... so I'd like to put together a small collection of AF trains for him.  I already had about 7 or 8 freight cars that I bought for my children that they rarely play with, so I'm putting those in the package.  Those cars all had the Pikemaster trucks and couplers.  None of them had the knuckle couplers or the old hook type couplers.  I am also throwing in two motorless steam locos that I think I got from Doug at Port Lines a few years back for use as push (on the track) trains, but I'd like to also include a powered/operating loco of some sort.. steam or diesel... doesn't matter... but one of each would be nice.  If anyone out there has any spare, good condition AF cars you'd be willing to donate or sell at a really good (cheap) price to help with this effort, I'd like to hear from you.  I could also use some track and a power pack (transformer).  Loose stuff is fine.... no boxes needed... just no broken and/or worn out stuff please.  I bought the caboose in the attached photo for the package... this is the kind of stuff I'm looking for.


                  Thanks.



                  John Degnan

                  Scaler164@...
                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81226 From: allscalerails Date: 3/3/2019
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                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81227 From: mmcconn12 Date: 3/3/2019
                  Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
                  Attachments :
                    Added an image of our club car.
                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81228 From: Douglas Miller Date: 3/3/2019
                    Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
                    So what is the cost?

                    On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 9:15 AM msmcconn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                     

                    Added an image of our club car.
                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81229 From: Mark Speichert Date: 3/3/2019
                    Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
                    Hello is it a Flyionel car or made by someone else?

                    On Sunday, March 3, 2019, 9:36:24 AM CST, Douglas Miller 3rrmiller@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                     

                    So what is the cost?

                    On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 9:15 AM msmcconn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                     

                    Added an image of our club car.
                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81230 From: Michael Date: 3/4/2019
                    Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
                    Answering all the questions to date.

                    Our car is being made for us by American Models, and is based on their current 3-bay covered hopper.  Up to April 1st, the cost of the car is $69.95, after that the price goes up to $79.75  Details of the car and price/shipping costs can be found on the announcement flyer here:   https://southjerseysgaugers.org/Projects/DupontCarOrderForm.pdf 
                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81231 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 3/4/2019
                    Subject: NYC 6 Car Autorack
                    Attachments :

                      Based on the comments of people here in the group, I have been putting together an NYC 6-car autorack.  Please see the attached photograph of the prototype, and the image of my rendition. It is based on patent drawings.  I have shown in the drawing a flat car.  It was not my intent to create a flat car, but can if the interest is high enough.  The flat car used is an SHS 53’ flat car.  

                       

                      The idea is to put together a kit of the autoloader, which would be easy to print as all flat shapes for the most part.  The question is – do I create a flat car for the autorack to sit upon?  Again, it would be based on prototype.

                       

                      Thanks

                       

                      Scott

                       

                      D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81232 From: EdSauers Date: 3/7/2019
                      Subject: AF 499 Horn Question
                      Group,
                       
                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?
                       
                      Thanks
                       
                      Ed Sauers
                       
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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81233 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 3/7/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question

                      Yes, you are correct.

                      Daryl


                      On 3/7/2019 4:43 PM, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Group,
                       
                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?
                       
                      Thanks
                       
                      Ed Sauers
                       
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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81234 From: EdSauers Date: 3/7/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
                      Daryl,
                       
                      Thanks.
                       
                      Ed
                       
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                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Daryl Olszeski jaytewilli@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: 3/7/2019 5:39:19 PM
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question
                       

                      Yes, you are correct.

                      Daryl


                      On 3/7/2019 4:43 PM, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Group,
                       
                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?
                       
                      Thanks
                       
                      Ed Sauers
                       
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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81235 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/7/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question

                      Good evening Ed.  I have a 708 horn generator.   I’ll check the condition tomorrow and let you know if it works.

                       

                      Take care.

                       

                      Bob

                       

                       

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]

                       

                      Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 3:43 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                       

                      Group,

                       

                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?

                       

                      Thanks

                       

                      Ed Sauers

                       

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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81236 From: EdSauers Date: 3/8/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
                      Bob,
                       
                      Any chance I can call you today or you can call me at 304-725-0331
                       
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                      Thanks
                       
                      Ed Sauers
                       
                       
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: 3/7/2019 8:59:34 PM
                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question
                       

                      Good evening Ed.  I have a 708 horn generator.   I’ll check the condition tomorrow and let you know if it works.

                      Take care.

                      Bob

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]

                      Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 3:43 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Group,

                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?

                      Thanks

                      Ed Sauers

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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81237 From: Bob Iannacone Date: 3/8/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question

                      Good evening Ed.  I just received your e-mail that was sent this morning at 11:32 am!  Can I call you tomorrow?  I do have a 708 diesel horn control.  I’m not sure if the generator works.

                       

                      I’ll call tomorrow morning after 10:00 am.

                       

                      Bob

                       

                       

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                      Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 11:32 AM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                       

                      Bob,

                       

                      Any chance I can call you today or you can call me at 304-725-0331

                       

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                      Thanks

                       

                      Ed Sauers

                       

                       

                      ----- Original Message -----

                      From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                      Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                      To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                      Sent: 3/7/2019 8:59:34 PM

                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Good evening Ed.  I have a 708 horn generator.   I’ll check the condition tomorrow and let you know if it works.

                      Take care.

                      Bob

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]


                      Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 3:43 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Group,

                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?

                      Thanks

                      Ed Sauers

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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81238 From: EdSauers Date: 3/8/2019
                      Subject: Re: AF 499 Horn Question
                      Bob,
                       
                      That will be fine. 304-725-0331
                       
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                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: 3/8/2019 7:31:08 PM
                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question
                       

                      Good evening Ed..  I just received your e-mail that was sent this morning at 11:32 am!  Can I call you tomorrow?  I do have a 708 diesel horn control.  I’m not sure if the generator works.

                      I’ll call tomorrow morning after 10:00 am.

                      Bob

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                      Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 11:32 AM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Bob,

                      Any chance I can call you today or you can call me at 304-725-0331

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                      Thanks

                      Ed Sauers

                      ----- Original Message -----

                      From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                      Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                      To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com>

                      Sent: 3/7/2019 8:59:34 PM

                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Good evening Ed.  I have a 708 horn generator.   I’ll check the condition tomorrow and let you know if it works.

                      Take care.

                      Bob

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]


                      Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 3:43 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] AF 499 Horn Question

                       

                      Group,

                      The 499 GE Electric is the only non-steam loco that I have owned, I have a question about how to activate the horn, do I need a AF 708 horn generator to make it work?

                      Thanks

                      Ed Sauers

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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81239 From: John Degnan Date: 3/16/2019
                      Subject: WANTED : Pacific Rail Shops KITS

                      WANTED : PACIFIC RAIL SHOPS kits


                      Kit # 354.2 - SEABOARD Box Car # 23212


                      Kit # 354.3 - SEABOARD Box Car # 23315


                      Contact me if you have either of these kits and are willing to part with them.


                      I only want the un-built KITS in their original boxes... not pre-assembled models.


                      I already have the other two kits in this series (354.1 and 354.4), so I don't need either of those.


                      (See attached photos for reference)



                      John D

                      Scaler164@...


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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81240 From: mmcconn12 Date: 3/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gaugers club announce a 30th Anniversary Commemor
                      I realized I answered this messages privately - but the answer would be relevant for everyone...

                      Until April 1st, the pre-order price is $69.95.  After that, the regular price will be $79.95
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81241 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/25/2019
                      Subject: Legal?

                      Is this even legal?  Unbelievable greed!

                       

                      <<< Hi,

                       

                      This is an outstanding offer for the Amherst Railway Society Railroad Hobby Show 2019 Exhibitors.

                      Would you be interested in acquiring the list of attendees for your marketing and sales initiatives.

                      This is an opportunity to acquire list of 20,350 attendees contact details for a robust marketing campaign which will eventually help you convert the compiled leads in to phenomenal sales deal.

                      Attendee’s Information fields: - Name, Company URL, Contact Name, Title, Phone number, Fax Number, Email Address, Company Address, Industry type etc...

                      Let me know your thoughts so that I can send cost & additional information.

                      Best Regards,

                      Claire Taylor

                      Marketing and Communications   

                      >>>  

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted..

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81242 From: n6ojj Date: 3/25/2019
                      Subject: Re: Legal?
                      Was a ‘Privacy Policy’, or similar posted on the website or registration packet?  If not, that absence may be their ‘permission’.  Caveat emptor.  

                      Dave McBrayer 
                      Castro Valley, CA 


                      Sent from my iPad

                      On Mar 25, 2019, at 15:57, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      Is this even legal?  Unbelievable greed!

                       

                      <<< Hi,

                       

                      This is an outstanding offer for the Amherst Railway Society Railroad Hobby Show 2019 Exhibitors.

                      Would you be interested in acquiring the list of attendees for your marketing and sales initiatives.

                      This is an opportunity to acquire list of 20,350 attendees contact details for a robust marketing campaign which will eventually help you convert the compiled leads in to phenomenal sales deal.

                      Attendee’s Information fields: - Name, Company URL, Contact Name, Title, Phone number, Fax Number, Email Address, Company Address, Industry type etc...

                      Let me know your thoughts so that I can send cost & additional information.

                      Best Regards,

                      Claire Taylor

                      Marketing and Communications   

                      >>>  

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted..

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81243 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/25/2019
                      Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Legal?

                      Thanks, Scott.

                      Makes sense, and the thought did cross my mind. But I’d never received it before, so I gave it a little “space”.

                      Besides, I didn’t put it past the Amherst Show folks to actually do it.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted..

                       

                      From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of D. Scott MacKenzie via Groups.Io
                      Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 7:35 PM
                      To: S-Scale@...
                      Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Legal?

                       

                      Doug:

                       

                      I get these all the time.  Mostly from conferences and other things that I have attended for work.  It is bogus and probably most have never attended the show/conference or exhibition.  The have a list, or maybe not, and trying to get you to part with money to create a marketing campaign using their list of names.

                       

                      However, one conference I attended had approximately300 attendees, and maybe 10 exhibitors.  They tried to sell me a list of 5000 people that attended this event.  It is ascam and completely bogus..

                       

                      Scott

                       

                      D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

                       

                      From: S-Scale@... [mailto:S-Scale@...] On Behalf Of Doug Peck
                      Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 6:57 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@...
                      Subject: [S-Scale] Legal?

                       

                      Is this even legal?  Unbelievable greed!

                       

                      <<< Hi,

                       

                      This is an outstanding offer for the Amherst Railway Society Railroad Hobby Show 2019 Exhibitors.

                      Would you be interested in acquiring the list of attendees for your marketing and sales initiatives.

                      This is an opportunity to acquire list of 20,350 attendees contact details for a robust marketing campaign which will eventually help you convert the compiled leads in to phenomenal sales deal.

                      Attendee’s Information fields: - Name, Company URL, Contact Name, Title, Phone number, Fax Number, Email Address, Company Address, Industry type etc..

                      Let me know your thoughts so that I can send cost & additional information.

                      Best Regards,

                      Claire Taylor

                      Marketing and Communications   

                      >>>  

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                       


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                      Port Lines Hobby
                      www.portlines.com

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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81244 From: Dale Smith Date: 3/25/2019
                      Subject: Re: Legal?

                      Living out on the west coast, I am not familiar with this show, but it is the information of the attendees, not the exhibitors they are giving out.   That is a lot of information that they list and I wonder how they collect it from an attendee.  Maybe this is not a "pay your money and walk in" type of show.  I would bet it is included in a "registration form."  Maybe they have a prize drawing for which they say they want this information.  Perhaps that is the inducement to get the information.  Again, probably no privacy policy stated or they may even say that the information "may be used by us and our 'associated companies."

                      A lot of what is legal can still be reprehensible.  I was always told that you need to watch out for lawyers who keep the Canons of Ethics on their desks.   It is not that they are the most ethical, but rather they need to keep the book handy to see how close they can come to the line.

                      Dale Smith

                      On 3/25/2019 3:57 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Is this even legal?  Unbelievable greed!

                       

                      <<< Hi,

                       

                      This is an outstanding offer for the Amherst Railway Society Railroad Hobby Show 2019 Exhibitors.

                      Would you be interested in acquiring the list of attendees for your marketing and sales initiatives.

                      This is an opportunity to acquire list of 20,350 attendees contact details for a robust marketing campaign which will eventually help you convert the compiled leads in to phenomenal sales deal.

                      Attendee’s Information fields: - Name, Company URL, Contact Name, Title, Phone number, Fax Number, Email Address, Company Address, Industry type etc...

                      Let me know your thoughts so that I can send cost & additional information.

                      Best Regards,

                      Claire Taylor

                      Marketing and Communications   

                      >>>  

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted..

                       


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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81245 From: D. Scott MacKenzie Date: 3/25/2019
                      Subject: Re: Legal?

                      The organizers have nothing to do with this – this is a scam.  I know as I was the organizer of an event, and this letter told me there were 5K attendees – there were no where near that number.

                       

                      D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                      Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 8:39 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Legal?

                       

                       

                      Living out on the west coast, I am not familiar with this show, but it is the information of the attendees, not the exhibitors they are giving out.   That is a lot of information that they list and I wonder how they collect it from an attendee.  Maybe this is not a "pay your money and walk in" type of show.  I would bet it is included in a "registration form."  Maybe they have a prize drawing for which they say they want this information.  Perhaps that is the inducement to get the information.  Again, probably no privacy policy stated or they may even say that the information "may be used by us and our 'associated companies."

                      A lot of what is legal can still be reprehensible.  I was always told that you need to watch out for lawyers who keep the Canons of Ethics on their desks.   It is not that they are the most ethical, but rather they need to keep the book handy to see how close they can come to the line.

                      Dale Smith

                      On 3/25/2019 3:57 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                       

                      Is this even legal?  Unbelievable greed!

                       

                      <<< Hi,

                       

                      This is an outstanding offer for the Amherst Railway Society Railroad Hobby Show 2019 Exhibitors.

                      Would you be interested in acquiring the list of attendees for your marketing and sales initiatives.

                      This is an opportunity to acquire list of 20,350 attendees contact details for a robust marketing campaign which will eventually help you convert the compiled leads in to phenomenal sales deal.

                      Attendee’s Information fields: - Name, Company URL, Contact Name, Title, Phone number, Fax Number, Email Address, Company Address, Industry type etc...

                      Let me know your thoughts so that I can send cost & additional information.

                      Best Regards,

                      Claire Taylor

                      Marketing and Communications   

                      >>> 

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted..

                       

                       

                      Virus-free. www.avg.com

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81246 From: bobgarm Date: 3/26/2019
                      Subject: SHS/MTH S-Trax #3 Turnouts
                      I have a new (foldable) layout a building using S-Trax. I have  mounted track sections using 4-40 screws drilled into the mold point cylinders and then the table deck. 

                      The points on one of my 10 SHS #3 turnouts now hang up when moving to the siding position. Goosing the manual slider will get them to slide into place.  The others 9 turnouts don't exhibit this problem.  I'm not sure but this may be one the first units I bought back in the day and used at XMAS times. I have purchased an MTH unit to replace another (I also think early purchase ) turnout with the same point movement problem.  

                      If you open the turnout up by removing the bottom plate, you can see that there is a tiny spring that moves the points pivot cam to its final position. I have been loath to play with this.

                      Questions:
                      1. Has anybody else had this problem with the #3 switches?
                      2. Is it just a weak spring or could there be a binding issue - that I could resolve?
                      3. Any suggestions for a competent repair vendor?

                      Bob Garman
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81247 From: Doug Peck Date: 3/26/2019
                      Subject: York Show----We've Moved !

                      For anyone going to the York TCA Meet in 2 weeks, please note that after 17 years in Purple Hall, we are moving to ORANGE HALL.

                      Look for us in an expanded space along the rear wall of the hall, right next to MTH Trains.

                      Couldn’t be  much easier to find!

                      Hope to see many of you there!

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81248 From: Lee Brown Date: 3/27/2019
                      Subject: Re: Legal?
                      Yep it’s a scam. The crying shame about this is they will eventually chase all the legitimate people away from the internet. Maybe we could get Muller to investigate since he is out of a job.


                      Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

                      On Monday, March 25, 2019, 9:55 PM, 'D. Scott MacKenzie' kb0fhp@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      The organizers have nothing to do with this – this is a scam.  I know as I was the organizer of an event, and this letter told me there were 5K attendees – there were no where near that number.

                       

                      D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                      Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 8:39 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Legal?

                       

                       

                      Living out on the west coast, I am not familiar with this show, but it is the information of the attendees, not the exhibitors they are giving out.   That is a lot of information that they list and I wonder how they collect it from an attendee.  Maybe this is not a "pay your money and walk in" type of show.  I would bet it is included in a "registration form."  Maybe they have a prize drawing for which they say they want this information.  Perhaps that is the inducement to get the information.  Again, probably no privacy policy stated or they may even say that the information "may be used by us and our 'associated companies."

                      A lot of what is legal can still be reprehensible.  I was always told that you need to watch out for lawyers who keep the Canons of Ethics on their desks.   It is not that they are the most ethical, but rather they need to keep the book handy to see how close they can come to the line.

                      Dale Smith

                      On 3/25/2019 3:57 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                       

                      Is this even legal?  Unbelievable greed!

                       

                      <<< Hi,

                       

                      This is an outstanding offer for the Amherst Railway Society Railroad Hobby Show 2019 Exhibitors.

                      Would you be interested in acquiring the list of attendees for your marketing and sales initiatives.

                      This is an opportunity to acquire list of 20,350 attendees contact details for a robust marketing campaign which will eventually help you convert the compiled leads in to phenomenal sales deal.

                      Attendee’s Information fields: - Name, Company URL, Contact Name, Title, Phone number, Fax Number, Email Address, Company Address, Industry type etc...

                      Let me know your thoughts so that I can send cost & additional information.

                      Best Regards,

                      Claire Taylor

                      Marketing and Communications   

                      >>> 

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted..

                       

                       

                      Virus-free. www.avg.com

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81249 From: dphobbies Date: 3/27/2019
                      Subject: Des Plaines Hobbies Freight Car 40% Off Sale

                      We are clearing out some new old stock to make room for new stuff.

                      We have placed all of our S Scale America 1400 series tank cars and 1500 series 3 bay hopper cars on sale at 40% off.  All are brand new, but some boxes may be faded or shelf worn.  The sale cars can be purchased on our web store www.desplaineshobbies.com  Of course, you may always call the shop and speak to a human.


                      There is no minimum purchase. Buy one or a hundred.  We need the space.


                      Any questions, please call or ask them through the web store email sales@....  It is virtually impossible to monitor all platforms.


                      Des Plaines Hobbies

                      1524 Lee Street

                      Des Plaines, IL 60018

                      1-847-297-2118  fax:1-847-297-4976

                      www.desplaineshobbies.com
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81250 From: Fred Alles Date: 3/29/2019
                      Subject: Change of email address
                      I will be changing my email address from falles@... to:

                      <falles1504@...>

                      Please change my email address when you can – thanks,

                      Fred Alles
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81251 From: carl4flyer Date: 3/29/2019
                      Subject: Re: Change of email address
                       
                      You will have to mange your own profile as moderators can't make that change.
                       
                      Or you can re-join with your new address.

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                      Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 6:14 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Change of email address

                       

                      I will be changing my email address from falles@... to:

                      <falles1504@...>

                      Please change my email address when you can – thanks,

                      Fred Alles
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81252 From: Warner, Ronald Date: 4/2/2019
                      Subject: Lionel Amer Flyer Ringling Bros. searchlight car

                      Did Lionel ever produce the Amer Flyer Ringling Bros. searchlight car they “announced” in their 2011 catalogues (pg. 108, Vol. 2 & pg. 126, Signature Ed.) ?

                       

                      If the car was produced, does anyone have an ‘extra’ they would be willing to sell or ‘swap’ for another item ??  If so, please contact me.

                       

                      Respectfully,

                       

                      Ron Warner

                      1425  7th Street

                      Shallowater, TX  79363-5105

                       

                      NASG, TTOS, TCA
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81253 From: bobville Date: 4/2/2019
                      Subject: Re: Lionel Amer Flyer Ringling Bros. searchlight car
                      Sorry it was never made. I had wanted one also for a collection of search light cars. Bob Persing
                      -
                      -
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: 'Warner, Ronald' ronald.warner@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 14:26:27 -0400 (EDT)
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Amer Flyer Ringling Bros. searchlight car

                      Did Lionel ever produce the Amer Flyer Ringling Bros. searchlight car they “announced” in their 2011 catalogues (pg. 108, Vol. 2 & pg. 126, Signature Ed.) ?

                      If the car was produced, does anyone have an ‘extra’ they would be willing to sell or ‘swap’ for another item ?? If so, please contact me.

                      Respectfully,

                      Ron Warner
                      1425 7th Street
                      Shallowater, TX 79363-5105

                      NASG, TTOS, TCA
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81254 From: Tom Hawley Date: 4/4/2019
                      Subject: New "American Flyer" by Lionel
                      A month or so ago a 2019 Lionel Catalog came out with lots of new S  gauge stuff in it.  But the word went around that, catalog or no catalog, only those items would be made for which Lionel got sufficient orders. 
                       
                      Is there any word out as to what made the cut and what didn't?
                       
                      tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan
                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81255 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/4/2019
                      Subject: Re: New "American Flyer" by Lionel

                      I have not been notified that anything has been cancelled………but it is a little early for that to be known yet.

                       

                      However, the “made to order” comments on this list were out-of-context.  Lionel announces a number of Made-to-Order O-gauge products each year, specifically noting they are limited production and no extras will be made, so pre-orders are essential for those items.

                      They have never advertised ANY “Made-To-Order” S-gauge items.

                      Having said that, they have, of course, cancelled some regularly-cataloged items in the past due to insufficient orders…..understandable.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 3:17 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] New "American Flyer" by Lionel

                       

                       

                      A month or so ago a 2019 Lionel Catalog came out with lots of new S  gauge stuff in it.  But the word went around that, catalog or no catalog, only those items would be made for which Lionel got sufficient orders. 

                       

                      Is there any word out as to what made the cut and what didn't?

                       

                      tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81256 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/7/2019
                      Subject: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
                      I recently purchased a 21100 Atlantic which I hoped to add to my
                      collection of Atlantics.  I am hoping to have examples that show the
                      changes in production from 1946 to 1966.  I started looking closely at
                      the Atlantic and comparing it to the description in the Greenberg guide
                      and found that the 21100 is supposed to have a drum commutator type
                      motor and a 2 position reverse on the rear of the motor but this one has
                      disk commutator and  a 4 position reverse unit in the tender.   Also,
                      the drawbar is one piece, rather than the detachable two piece shown in
                      the guide book for the 21100.  The wiring looks original and has a 5th
                      wire.  I looked in the tender shell and I did find a date stamp but it
                      is pretty illegible.  I think it might say "57", but that is what I
                      would expect in a 21100 shell.

                      Aside from the shell and the 21100 numbering, it looks pretty much like
                      a 303 except for one thing.   My 303 has the traction tires on the rear
                      drivers and this 21100 has them on the front drivers, just as Greenberg
                      says it should.

                      What I am wondering is if it possible that this is a very early 21100
                      using up old 303 chassis parts or if it is just a hobbyist replacement
                      of a broken 303 shell.   If it were a repair station job, I think there
                      would be no date stamp at all in the shell. Does anyone else have a
                      similar 21100 with the older motor and the 4 position reverse?

                      Dale Smith
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81257 From: Edward Davis Date: 4/7/2019
                      Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
                      Dale, it sounds like a boiler swap to me as you suspect it may have been put on a 303 chassis.. pulmor on wrong drivers, well who knows what one can do with salvage parts..i've done it myself but not for resale..

                      On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 8:35 PM Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                       

                      I recently purchased a 21100 Atlantic which I hoped to add to my
                      collection of Atlantics.  I am hoping to have examples that show the
                      changes in production from 1946 to 1966.  I started looking closely at
                      the Atlantic and comparing it to the description in the Greenberg guide
                      and found that the 21100 is supposed to have a drum commutator type
                      motor and a 2 position reverse on the rear of the motor but this one has
                      disk commutator and  a 4 position reverse unit in the tender.   Also,
                      the drawbar is one piece, rather than the detachable two piece shown in
                      the guide book for the 21100.  The wiring looks original and has a 5th
                      wire.  I looked in the tender shell and I did find a date stamp but it
                      is pretty illegible.  I think it might say "57", but that is what I
                      would expect in a 21100 shell.

                      Aside from the shell and the 21100 numbering, it looks pretty much like
                      a 303 except for one thing.   My 303 has the traction tires on the rear
                      drivers and this 21100 has them on the front drivers, just as Greenberg
                      says it should.

                      What I am wondering is if it possible that this is a very early 21100
                      using up old 303 chassis parts or if it is just a hobbyist replacement
                      of a broken 303 shell.   If it were a repair station job, I think there
                      would be no date stamp at all in the shell. Does anyone else have a
                      similar 21100 with the older motor and the 4 position reverse?

                      Dale Smith
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81258 From: americanflyer Date: 4/8/2019
                      Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
                      Hi dale yes boiler swap i think only atlantic with manual switch mounted on cab was some 21160 look at metal whistle if at angle is original  if plastic and upright reproduction. 5 wire4 in prongs and 5 th is so smoke and light will run dont think any of the 303s came that way 
                      G9od luck 


                      Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

                      -------- Original message --------
                      From: "Edward Davis bigedirt5543@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Date: 4/8/19 12:03 AM (GMT-05:00)
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Unusual 21100 Atlantic

                       

                      Dale, it sounds like a boiler swap to me as you suspect it may have been put on a 303 chassis.. pulmor on wrong drivers, well who knows what one can do with salvage parts..i've done it myself but not for resale..

                      On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 8:35 PM Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                       

                      I recently purchased a 21100 Atlantic which I hoped to add to my
                      collection of Atlantics.  I am hoping to have examples that show the
                      changes in production from 1946 to 1966.  I started looking closely at
                      the Atlantic and comparing it to the description in the Greenberg guide
                      and found that the 21100 is supposed to have a drum commutator type
                      motor and a 2 position reverse on the rear of the motor but this one has
                      disk commutator and  a 4 position reverse unit in the tender.   Also,
                      the drawbar is one piece, rather than the detachable two piece shown in
                      the guide book for the 21100.  The wiring looks original and has a 5th
                      wire.  I looked in the tender shell and I did find a date stamp but it
                      is pretty illegible.  I think it might say "57", but that is what I
                      would expect in a 21100 shell.

                      Aside from the shell and the 21100 numbering, it looks pretty much like
                      a 303 except for one thing.   My 303 has the traction tires on the rear
                      drivers and this 21100 has them on the front drivers, just as Greenberg
                      says it should.

                      What I am wondering is if it possible that this is a very early 21100
                      using up old 303 chassis parts or if it is just a hobbyist replacement
                      of a broken 303 shell.   If it were a repair station job, I think there
                      would be no date stamp at all in the shell. Does anyone else have a
                      similar 21100 with the older motor and the 4 position reverse?

                      Dale Smith
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81259 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/8/2019
                      Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic

                      The whistle is metal and is at an angle.  Bell is also metal.  Greenberg lists those characteristics for both the 303 and 21100.  The wiring is direct with two light green and one dark green and one black wire in a four conductor cable.  The firth wire is separate.  I thought that this might be an early 21100 because everything looked pretty original and this was the first year of 5 digit numbering.  I may be reconsidering that as I did notice a couple of things that might indicate a trip to the floor that could have smashed an original body.  The upper embossed tab that creates the slot at the rear of the frame is broken on one side and one of the tender trucks shows a glob of clear epoxy at one of the side frames.  No broken steps or blemishes of any kind on tender though.  Trucks type on tender is consistent with 303, not 21100.

                      Dale

                      On 4/8/2019 3:32 AM, americanflyer americanflyer@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       
                      Hi dale yes boiler swap i think only atlantic with manual switch mounted on cab was some 21160 look at metal whistle if at angle is original  if plastic and upright reproduction. 5 wire4 in prongs and 5 th is so smoke and light will run dont think any of the 303s came that way 
                      G9od luck 


                      Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

                      -------- Original message --------
                      From: "Edward Davis bigedirt5543@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Date: 4/8/19 12:03 AM (GMT-05:00)
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Unusual 21100 Atlantic

                       
                      Dale, it sounds like a boiler swap to me as you suspect it may have been put on a 303 chassis.. pulmor on wrong drivers, well who knows what one can do with salvage parts..i've done it myself but not for resale..

                      On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 8:35 PM Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                       

                      I recently purchased a 21100 Atlantic which I hoped to add to my
                      collection of Atlantics.  I am hoping to have examples that show the
                      changes in production from 1946 to 1966.  I started looking closely at
                      the Atlantic and comparing it to the description in the Greenberg guide
                      and found that the 21100 is supposed to have a drum commutator type
                      motor and a 2 position reverse on the rear of the motor but this one has
                      disk commutator and  a 4 position reverse unit in the tender.   Also,
                      the drawbar is one piece, rather than the detachable two piece shown in
                      the guide book for the 21100.  The wiring looks original and has a 5th
                      wire.  I looked in the tender shell and I did find a date stamp but it
                      is pretty illegible.  I think it might say "57", but that is what I
                      would expect in a 21100 shell.

                      Aside from the shell and the 21100 numbering, it looks pretty much like
                      a 303 except for one thing.   My 303 has the traction tires on the rear
                      drivers and this 21100 has them on the front drivers, just as Greenberg
                      says it should.

                      What I am wondering is if it possible that this is a very early 21100
                      using up old 303 chassis parts or if it is just a hobbyist replacement
                      of a broken 303 shell.   If it were a repair station job, I think there
                      would be no date stamp at all in the shell. Does anyone else have a
                      similar 21100 with the older motor and the 4 position reverse?

                      Dale Smith


                      Virus-free. www.avg.com
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81260 From: Howin Date: 4/8/2019
                      Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
                      Could you send pictures, please?
                      Harwood


                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 11:35 pm
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Unusual 21100 Atlantic

                       
                      I recently purchased a 21100 Atlantic which I hoped to add to my
                      collection of Atlantics.  I am hoping to have examples that show the
                      changes in production from 1946 to 1966.  I started looking closely at
                      the Atlantic and comparing it to the description in the Greenberg guide
                      and found that the 21100 is supposed to have a drum commutator type
                      motor and a 2 position reverse on the rear of the motor but this one has
                      disk commutator and  a 4 position reverse unit in the tender.   Also,
                      the drawbar is one piece, rather than the detachable two piece shown in
                      the guide book for the 21100.  The wiring looks original and has a 5th
                      wire.  I looked in the tender shell and I did find a date stamp but it
                      is pretty illegible.  I think it might say "57", but that is what I
                      would expect in a 21100 shell.

                      Aside from the shell and the 21100 numbering, it looks pretty much like
                      a 303 except for one thing.   My 303 has the traction tires on the rear
                      drivers and this 21100 has them on the front drivers, just as Greenberg
                      says it should.

                      What I am wondering is if it possible that this is a very early 21100
                      using up old 303 chassis parts or if it is just a hobbyist replacement
                      of a broken 303 shell.   If it were a repair station job, I think there
                      would be no date stamp at all in the shell. Does anyone else have a
                      similar 21100 with the older motor and the 4 position reverse?

                      Dale Smith
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81261 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/9/2019
                      Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic

                      Harwood,

                      Thanks for your interest in this.  I know you wrote one of the Greenberg books on this.   I have posted photos of the loco and close ups of various parts of it.  Hopefully this link, https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/344740438 will take you to the photos. 

                      I know some will think this inquiry is not that important as it is still a cheap Atlantic, but it is of some interest in tracing the development and variations of this engine.  I have no illusions that this will have any effect on its value.  I am just interested for the sake of learning more about A.C. Gilbert's manufacturing processes.

                      Dale

                      On 4/8/2019 2:31 PM, Howin HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Could you send pictures, please?
                      Harwood


                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 11:35 pm
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Unusual 21100 Atlantic

                       
                      I recently purchased a 21100 Atlantic which I hoped to add to my
                      collection of Atlantics.  I am hoping to have examples that show the
                      changes in production from 1946 to 1966.  I started looking closely at
                      the Atlantic and comparing it to the description in the Greenberg guide
                      and found that the 21100 is supposed to have a drum commutator type
                      motor and a 2 position reverse on the rear of the motor but this one has
                      disk commutator and  a 4 position reverse unit in the tender.   Also,
                      the drawbar is one piece, rather than the detachable two piece shown in
                      the guide book for the 21100.  The wiring looks original and has a 5th
                      wire.  I looked in the tender shell and I did find a date stamp but it
                      is pretty illegible.  I think it might say "57", but that is what I
                      would expect in a 21100 shell.

                      Aside from the shell and the 21100 numbering, it looks pretty much like
                      a 303 except for one thing.   My 303 has the traction tires on the rear
                      drivers and this 21100 has them on the front drivers, just as Greenberg
                      says it should.

                      What I am wondering is if it possible that this is a very early 21100
                      using up old 303 chassis parts or if it is just a hobbyist replacement
                      of a broken 303 shell.   If it were a repair station job, I think there
                      would be no date stamp at all in the shell. Does anyone else have a
                      similar 21100 with the older motor and the 4 position reverse?

                      Dale Smith

                      Virus-free. www.avg.com
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81262 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/15/2019
                      Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic
                      While browsing in an antique store yesterday, guess what I found?  A 21100 Atlantic, which I quickly purchased for a little less than $30.  This one was more typical than my first 21100, in that it had the drum style motor, 2 piece drawbar, and a 2 position reverse unit.  It had no smoke, which according to Greenberg was optional on this locomotive.  The boiler shell has an very clear October 1957 date stamp, making this late production since the locomotive was only made in 1957. 

                      Looking closely at this example, I am now pretty sure that what I thought was a broken chassis mounting slot on one side of the other 21100 is really a simplified mounting that sits on the metal body tab, rather than being locked into it by a slot.  This locomotive had the exact same mounting and it seems to hold the chassis in place quite well.  I uploaded some photos of the mounting slot in the 21100 folder.

                      Perhaps all the versions that had smoke were early production like my first unit? 

                      Dale

                      On 4/9/2019 6:16 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Harwood,

                      Thanks for your interest in this.  I know you wrote one of the Greenberg books on this.   I have posted photos of the loco and close ups of various parts of it.  Hopefully this link, https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/344740438 will take you to the photos. 

                      I know some will think this inquiry is not that important as it is still a cheap Atlantic, but it is of some interest in tracing the development and variations of this engine.  I have no illusions that this will have any effect on its value.  I am just interested for the sake of learning more about A.C. Gilbert's manufacturing processes.

                      Dale

                      On 4/8/2019 2:31 PM, Howin HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Could you send pictures, please?
                      Harwood


                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 11:35 pm
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Unusual 21100 Atlantic

                       
                      I recently purchased a 21100 Atlantic which I hoped to add to my
                      collection of Atlantics.  I am hoping to have examples that show the
                      changes in production from 1946 to 1966.  I started looking closely at
                      the Atlantic and comparing it to the description in the Greenberg guide
                      and found that the 21100 is supposed to have a drum commutator type
                      motor and a 2 position reverse on the rear of the motor but this one has
                      disk commutator and  a 4 position reverse unit in the tender.   Also,
                      the drawbar is one piece, rather than the detachable two piece shown in
                      the guide book for the 21100.  The wiring looks original and has a 5th
                      wire.  I looked in the tender shell and I did find a date stamp but it
                      is pretty illegible.  I think it might say "57", but that is what I
                      would expect in a 21100 shell.

                      Aside from the shell and the 21100 numbering, it looks pretty much like
                      a 303 except for one thing.   My 303 has the traction tires on the rear
                      drivers and this 21100 has them on the front drivers, just as Greenberg
                      says it should.

                      What I am wondering is if it possible that this is a very early 21100
                      using up old 303 chassis parts or if it is just a hobbyist replacement
                      of a broken 303 shell.   If it were a repair station job, I think there
                      would be no date stamp at all in the shell. Does anyone else have a
                      similar 21100 with the older motor and the 4 position reverse?

                      Dale Smith

                      Virus-free. www.avg.com
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81263 From: Dale Smith Date: 4/15/2019
                      Subject: Re: Unusual 21100 Atlantic

                      While browsing in an antique store yesterday, guess what I found?  A 21100 Atlantic, which I quickly purchased for a little less than $30.  This one was more typical than my first 21100, in that it had the drum style motor, 2 piece drawbar, and a 2 position reverse unit.  It had no smoke, which according to Greenberg was optional on this locomotive.  The boiler shell has an very clear October 1957 date stamp, making this late production since the locomotive was only made in 1957. 

                      Looking closely at this example, I am now pretty sure that what I thought was a broken chassis mounting slot on one side of the other 21100 is really a simplified mounting that sits on the metal body tab, rather than being locked into it by a slot.  This locomotive had the exact same mounting and it seems to hold the chassis in place quite well.  I uploaded some photos of the mounting slot in the 21100 folder.

                      Perhaps all the versions that had smoke were early production like my first unit? 

                      Dale

                      On 4/9/2019 6:16 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Harwood,

                      Thanks for your interest in this.  I know you wrote one of the Greenberg books on this.   I have posted photos of the loco and close ups of various parts of it.  Hopefully this link, https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/344740438 will take you to the photos. 

                      I know some will think this inquiry is not that important as it is still a cheap Atlantic, but it is of some interest in tracing the development and variations of this engine.  I have no illusions that this will have any effect on its value.  I am just interested for the sake of learning more about A.C. Gilbert's manufacturing processes.

                      Dale

                      On 4/8/2019 2:31 PM, Howin HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       

                      Could you send pictures, please?
                      Harwood


                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 11:35 pm
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Unusual 21100 Atlantic

                       
                      I recently purchased a 21100 Atlantic which I hoped to add to my
                      collection of Atlantics.  I am hoping to have examples that show the
                      changes in production from 1946 to 1966.  I started looking closely at
                      the Atlantic and comparing it to the description in the Greenberg guide
                      and found that the 21100 is supposed to have a drum commutator type
                      motor and a 2 position reverse on the rear of the motor but this one has
                      disk commutator and  a 4 position reverse unit in the tender.   Also,
                      the drawbar is one piece, rather than the detachable two piece shown in
                      the guide book for the 21100.  The wiring looks original and has a 5th
                      wire.  I looked in the tender shell and I did find a date stamp but it
                      is pretty illegible.  I think it might say "57", but that is what I
                      would expect in a 21100 shell.

                      Aside from the shell and the 21100 numbering, it looks pretty much like
                      a 303 except for one thing.   My 303 has the traction tires on the rear
                      drivers and this 21100 has them on the front drivers, just as Greenberg
                      says it should.

                      What I am wondering is if it possible that this is a very early 21100
                      using up old 303 chassis parts or if it is just a hobbyist replacement
                      of a broken 303 shell.   If it were a repair station job, I think there
                      would be no date stamp at all in the shell. Does anyone else have a
                      similar 21100 with the older motor and the 4 position reverse?

                      Dale Smith

                      Virus-free. www.avg.com
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81264 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 4/23/2019
                      Subject: Snow Blower
                      Snow Blower

                      Hi All,

                      I just ran across this short video on another list (not having anything to do with model trains), but was surprised I didn’t see it here first.  Even if it probably isn’t S gauge, it is still fun to watch.

                      I have no idea what they used for snow, but sure I’m glad I don’t have to clean it up.

                      Jerry F.

                      https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/hmt-forum/model_snowblower_train.mp4

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81265 From: Thomas Westhelle Date: 4/23/2019
                      Subject: Re: Snow Blower
                      That’s real snow and the coolest thing I’ve seen, now I need one in S!!!!!!

                      Sent from my iPhone
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81266 From: nsupbnsf@juno.com Date: 4/24/2019
                      Subject: Red Smoke Tube Removal
                      Any ideas on removing the (already separated threads) from the smoke unit cover (without damaging the cover)? Any ideas would be appreciated, thank you.
                       
                      Alan Udy
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81267 From: Daryl Olszeski Date: 4/24/2019
                      Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal

                      What's worked for me in the past is a small screw driver that I wedged into the ID of the smoke tube.  Once I wedged it in I could turn it to loosen and remove.  Just don't force the screw driver in too far or else you'll crack what's left of the tube and the pieces will fall into the smoke chamber.

                      Daryl


                      On 4/24/2019 7:04 PM, 'nsupbnsf@...' nsupbnsf@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       
                      Any ideas on removing the (already separated threads) from the smoke unit cover (without damaging the cover)? Any ideas would be appreciated, thank you.
                       
                      Alan Udy
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81268 From: Doug Peck Date: 4/24/2019
                      Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal

                      Let a drop or two of oil seep in around it. Then stick a reamer, or a sharp XACTO tip straight down into it, tightly, and twist it out.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782

                      Any ideas on removing the (already separated threads) from the smoke unit cover (without damaging the cover)? Any ideas would be appreciated, thank you.

                       

                      Alan Udy
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81269 From: Alan Smith Date: 4/24/2019
                      Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
                      A

                       A small   "Easy out”  !   if there is enough remaining of the tube to get a circular bite on the inside of the broken red plastic tube.

                      Good luck ~~~~~~~~  Alan

                      Alan Smith - 

                      On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:02 PM, Daryl Olszeski jaytewilli@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                      What's worked for me in the past is a small screw driver that I wedged into the ID of the smoke tube.  Once I wedged it in I could turn it to loosen and remove.  Just don't force the screw driver in too far or else you'll crack what's left of the tube and the pieces will fall into the smoke chamber.

                      Daryl


                      On 4/24/2019 7:04 PM, 'nsupbnsf@...' nsupbnsf@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       
                      Any ideas on removing the (already separated threads) from the smoke unit cover (without damaging the cover)? Any ideas would be appreciated, thank you.
                       
                      Alan Udy
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81270 From: snstrains Date: 4/24/2019
                      Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
                      Stick a pointed exacto blade down into it and twist left.


                      Steve Blackburn
                      Boise, Id.
                      In a message dated 4/24/2019 5:48:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                       

                       

                      Any ideas on removing the (already separated threads) from the smoke unit cover (without damaging the cover)? Any ideas would be appreciated, thank you.

                      Alan Udy
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81271 From: Howin Date: 4/25/2019
                      Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
                      I have a small "Easy Out" that I use.  Works great.
                      Harwood


                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: 'nsupbnsf@...' nsupbnsf@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 7:48 pm
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Red Smoke Tube Removal

                       
                      Any ideas on removing the (already separated threads) from the smoke unit cover (without damaging the cover)? Any ideas would be appreciated, thank you.
                       
                      Alan Udy
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81272 From: n9guy@juno.com Date: 4/26/2019
                      Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
                      cou ld  you turn the car around and run it through 'backwards' ?  What mail car do you have?   my mais a fingerlll
                       
                      ---------- Original Message ----------
                      From: "'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Another Mail Car issue
                      Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 16:16:03 -0500

                       

                      Group,
                       
                      I have a problem with my mail car, when it runs through a 720A switch it's arm is activating, the train enters the turnout from the frog end (switch set to through direction) the mail car arm activates when the pickup wheels contact the rails of the switch (just for a brief second but long enough to throw out the pouch it just picked up). runs through the same switch in the diverging route with no problems. what's strange is, if I remove the car and replace it sometimes it will go through the switch without activating the arm one or two times
                       
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                      New Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail replacement - get it here:
                       
                      .....but on the next pass through it starts again.
                       
                      Any thoughts?
                       
                      Thanks
                       
                      Ed Sauers

                       



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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81273 From: racin510 Date: 4/26/2019
                      Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
                      Somehow juice is getting thru to the [+] pick up. I assume you have the pick up wheels running on the negative rail. It may be a mystery solved only by getting another mail car!
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81274 From: David Dewey Date: 4/27/2019
                      Subject: Mail car activation
                      I would suspect one of two things: the activation arm is bent down and contacts a rail in the switch, or the bearings in the sideframes are worn enough that the truck touches a rail going through the switch.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81275 From: dphobbies Date: 4/27/2019
                      Subject: Tank and Hopper Car Sale Ending Soon
                      SSA HOPPER AND TANK CAR 40% SALE

                      Just a reminder that the 40% off sale on our S Scale America 10,000 gal tank cars and 3 bay hoppers ends in a few days, April 30th to be exact. Most are pictures on our web store at www.desplaineshobbies.com Just search under S Scale freight cars to see photos of most road names available.

                      Ron
                      Des Plaines Hobbies
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81276 From: Alan C. Udy Date: 4/27/2019
                      Subject: Re: Another Mail Car issue
                      Sounds like the tip of the pickup is to low and sparks when crossing the opposite polarity rail. Might need a gentle reshaping.

                      Alan Udy
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81277 From: SnSTrains@... Date: 4/27/2019
                      Subject: S-'n-S Trains closure
                      We have several long term trips planned this year starting June 1st, so any work received after May 15th could be on the shelf for as long as 4 months. We will be in and out but not for very long at any one time. Some work will get done in the times back but it's iffy. We plan to re-open full time on September 11th. Please don't ship anything until about Sept 8th.

                      Regards to all, and you all have a great Summer too.

                      Steve Blackburn
                      SnS Trains
                      3239 N Pepperwood Dr.
                      Boise, Idaho 83704
                      208-376-1159
                      snstrains.com
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81278 From: nsupbnsf@juno.com Date: 4/28/2019
                      Subject: Red Smoke Tube Removal
                      Thanks to all who responded. Adding oil to the threads is sure beneficial.

                      Al
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81279 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 4/28/2019
                      Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closure
                      Enjoy your time off Steve. Hope to have more work for you in Sept. Chris


                      On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 2:39 PM, SnSTrains@... [S-Trains]
                      <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                       

                      We have several long term trips planned this year starting June 1st, so any work received after May 15th could be on the shelf for as long as 4 months. We will be in and out but not for very long at any one time.. Some work will get done in the times back but it's iffy. We plan to re-open full time on September 11th. Please don't ship anything until about Sept 8th.

                      Regards to all, and you all have a great Summer too.

                      Steve Blackburn
                      SnS Trains
                      3239 N Pepperwood Dr.
                      Boise, Idaho 83704
                      208-376-1159
                      snstrains.com
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81280 From: Ray Puls Date: 4/29/2019
                      Subject: SnS Trains closing

                      Steve, Hope that you enjoy your time away and come back fully refreshed. Time away is a blessing and you deserve a break.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81281 From: John Davis Date: 4/29/2019
                      Subject: Re: Red Smoke Tube Removal
                      I ALWAYS screw in or remove the red plastic by using about 3" of aquarium hose as a driver.  It works great and just slips when it is tight.  For a stack already broken off, I agree with the easy-out reverse drill solution.  / John Davis Noblesville IN
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81282 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/3/2019
                      Subject: Lionel Service Centers

                      Hello all.


                      Does anyone have experience with Lionel Service centers in Michigan?  I have a Berk that waddles which is probably just a tire replacement issue.  But as of December 2018 it does not smoke.  


                      Ryders Hobby Shops are listed as dropoff  centers.


                      Empire and Brasseur are listed as authorized service centers but they are both an hour and a half drive.  Do you think I might be better off just shipping the Berk to Lionel service? (where ever that is these days)  


                      There is no rush on this.  I just don't want to disappoint young guests in December 2019.  By then I may also have completed an AF PA set with American Models chassis.  Kids like the Santa in Santa Fe on the PAs 


                      Thanks,


                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81283 From: racin510 Date: 5/3/2019
                      Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
                      My experience with Lionel Service is that they have it very together lately and turn around is very quick. That's where I would go.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81284 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/3/2019
                      Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers

                      Hi Tim,

                      I’ve had good experience with Lionel’s Service Dept since a new “chief” took over there. And I’ve referred several people to them for repairs. They also had good luck, and a relatively quick turnaround. You do need to contact them first though for authorization, for smoke repair.

                      As for the rubber traction bands……….you don’t want theirs. That cheap Chinese rubber breaks and/or turns to mush in no time at all.  That’s why we had new traction bands made here in the US for all the Flyonel engines, and I have them all in stock (plus the Gilbert ones, of course).

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 4:31 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Service Centers

                       

                       

                      Hello all.

                       

                      Does anyone have experience with Lionel Service centers in Michigan?  I have a Berk that waddles which is probably just a tire replacement issue.  But as of December 2018 it does not smoke.  

                       

                      Ryders Hobby Shops are listed as dropoff  centers.

                       

                      Empire and Brasseur are listed as authorized service centers but they are both an hour and a half drive.  Do you think I might be better off just shipping the Berk to Lionel service? (where ever that is these days)  

                       

                      There is no rush on this.  I just don't want to disappoint young guests in December 2019.  By then I may also have completed an AF PA set with American Models chassis.  Kids like the Santa in Santa Fe on the PAs 

                       

                      Thanks,

                       

                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81285 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 5/4/2019
                      Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
                      I hadn't realized the reference was to the Lionel headquarters (which is now in a suburb of Charlotte).   Silly me, I was remembering a time when Lionel had franchised dealerships and authorized repair partners (with a full supply of replacement parts).  Mental lapse, showing my age again.

                      I was able to get a guided tour of the facility through the local division of the NMRA a couple of years ago, and it was quite impressive, with a really large 
                      open warehouse (part of which is rented to non-train customers) which is still full of boxes of inventory going back sixty and more years.  The repair shop
                      is across the road and run by a really great younger fellow who is a model railroader himself (and originally from Massachusetts) who could not have been 
                      more helpful.  He even pulled the elaborate end casting off a junker to replace the one I'd gotten when I bought one of their cylindrical hoppers from another modeler.

                      And they gave me a nice Lionel coffee cup for my collection.



                      Jace Kahn
                      General Manager
                      Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.


                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:35 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Lionel Service Centers
                       
                       

                      Hi Tim,

                      I’ve had good experience with Lionel’s Service Dept since a new “chief” took over there. And I’ve referred several people to them for repairs. They also had good luck, and a relatively quick turnaround. You do need to contact them first though for authorization, for smoke repair.

                      As for the rubber traction bands……….you don’t want theirs. That cheap Chinese rubber breaks and/or turns to mush in no time at all.  That’s why we had new traction bands made here in the US for all the Flyonel engines, and I have them all in stock (plus the Gilbert ones, of course).

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 4:31 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Service Centers

                       

                       

                      Hello all.

                       

                      Does anyone have experience with Lionel Service centers in Michigan?  I have a Berk that waddles which is probably just a tire replacement issue.  But as of December 2018 it does not smoke.  

                       

                      Ryders Hobby Shops are listed as dropoff  centers.

                       

                      Empire and Brasseur are listed as authorized service centers but they are both an hour and a half drive.  Do you think I might be better off just shipping the Berk to Lionel service? (where ever that is these days)  

                       

                      There is no rush on this.  I just don't want to disappoint young guests in December 2019.  By then I may also have completed an AF PA set with American Models chassis.  Kids like the Santa in Santa Fe on the PAs 

                       

                      Thanks,

                       

                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81286 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/4/2019
                      Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
                      If it is out of warranty, I suggest you do it yourself. Get the tires from Doug as he mentioned and buy the $35 smoke unit from Lionel online. I just did both to mine. Smoke unit change out was very easy, and made even easier by Tom Barker's video on YouTube which shows pictures of the screws to remove. I'd take it apart first before ordering the unit, because you may just need a new wick. Mine needed a whole unit because the fan had stopped working.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81287 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/5/2019
                      Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
                      Chuck,

                      Now you have me considering doing it myself.  I have been hesitant to work on it because it is Lionel.  The funny thing is, I never hesitated to take any AF equipment apart and do my own repairs.  Maybe it is just a case of not wanting to clean the workbench off.

                      The workbench will need to be cleared off before the next project anyway.  That will be fitting an American Models PA drive to an AF shell.  I have the American Models PA ABA set in PRR livery which is very rarely run.  So the second A unit will be sacrificed so I can have a smooth running PA AF Santa Fe set to run in December 

                      Regards,

                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81288 From: mmcconn12 Date: 5/5/2019
                      Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers 30th Anniversary car update
                      Attachments :

                      I wanted to update everyone on the South Jersey 30th anniversary club car.  The cars were delivered to us 2 months earlier than anticipated.  Kudos to American Models for the excellent effort to get them to us early.  We are working hard to get the cars that were pre-ordered into the mail ASAP - and hope to have them going out in a week or so.  We've also had a great response to our cars, and supply is now limited.  If you are interested, you can still order them from our website.  We will keep availability status posted there.   http://www.southjerseysgaugers.org/Projects


                      (Attached photo is of the production "Dupont Alathon Polyethylene Resin" Hopper car)

                      		   @@attachment@@
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81289 From: pamgb1963 Date: 5/5/2019
                      Subject: 27mm gauge track.
                      My nephew has a cheap 1/43 scale slot-cars set with a battery train level crossing and an oval layout of black plastic train track. The gauge of the train track is 27mm (distance between the rails). I wonder if i can replace the black plastic train track with metallic train track of the same gauge (27mm). The problem is I don't know where to buy 27mm gauge metallic train track.

                      Paulo Barbosa
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81290 From: racin510 Date: 5/5/2019
                      Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
                      Lionel thankfully makes these easy do it yerself fixes and the shells come off easier than Flyer. Go for it.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81291 From: Noplowboy@... Date: 5/5/2019
                      Subject: Re: 27mm gauge track.
                      find a 3d printer on web


                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: pamgb1963@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sun, May 5, 2019 3:25 pm
                      Subject: [S-Trains] 27mm gauge track.

                       


                      My nephew has a cheap 1/43 scale slot-cars set with a battery train level crossing and an oval layout of black plastic train track. The gauge of the train track is 27mm (distance between the rails). I wonder if i can replace the black plastic train track with metallic train track of the same gauge (27mm). The problem is I don't know where to buy 27mm gauge metallic train track.

                      Paulo Barbosa
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81292 From: snstrains Date: 5/5/2019
                      Subject: Re: 27mm gauge track.
                      You can buy rails, ties and spikes and make your own. Kind of fun and satisfying really.

                      Steve Blackburn
                      Boise, Id.
                      In a message dated 5/5/2019 4:25:02 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                       


                      My nephew has a cheap 1/43 scale slot-cars set with a battery train level crossing and an oval layout of black plastic train track. The gauge of the train track is 27mm (distance between the rails). I wonder if i can replace the black plastic train track with metallic train track of the same gauge (27mm). The problem is I don't know where to buy 27mm gauge metallic train track.

                      Paulo Barbosa
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81294 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/6/2019
                      Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
                      Thanks for that!  I just watched the video and it looks a lot less intimidating.  So you know what the part number is for the whole smoke unit?  My searches on the Lionel site are producing either nothing or too many matches.

                      Regards,
                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81295 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/6/2019
                      Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
                      I believe it is this one....
                      6402539200
                      But you have to call to order it. Phone number is 586-949-4100
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81296 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/7/2019
                      Subject: Re: Lionel Service Centers
                      Thanks again for the part number and Lionel contact info.  The smoke unit is on its way.  So are the traction bands from Portlines.  

                      The traction bands alone felt like too small of an order so I also ordered an SnS slow speed can motor for a 342.  I had already re-motored it with a gear reduction drive to get more scale-like performance out of it.  But the straight cut gears are too noisy for my liking.  I am really looking forward to see how silently slow it will run with the SnS can.  

                      I'll let you know how both locomotives work out.

                      Regards,

                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81297 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/14/2019
                      Subject: Traction bands on Berkshire

                      My traction bands from Port Lines arrived in a matter of a couple days.  I just had to check the order acknowledgement to make sure I had ordered the right ones.  I did.  But these look substantially smaller (in diameter) than the ones I just took off the Berk.


                      So there must be a trick to getting the new ones on.  Having never done this before I do not know it.  The Port Lines online clinics do not have advice.  Do you lube the bands?  Can someone who has done this before share any advice?


                      Thanks,


                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81298 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/14/2019
                      Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
                      Got the traction tires on.  No lube needed.  Just a little more of a fight than anticipated.

                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81299 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/14/2019
                      Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire

                      Well, they NEED to be very tight, Tim.  Otherwise under heavy use, they’re just going to come off!

                      It’s not like early-Gilbert where the rubber was vulcanized to the metal.  More like late-Gilbert, where pop-in bands were recessed into a groove in the tread. But at least Gilbert used good rubber;  Lionel uses Chinese rubber that stretches, breaks, or turns to mush overnight.  That’s why all our bands are “Made in USA”.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782


                      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                      Got the traction tires on.  No lube needed.  Just a little more of a fight than anticipated.

                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81300 From: JAMES ENSIGN Date: 5/15/2019
                      Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire


                      On May 14, 2019 at 6:45 PM "Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                       Thank you, Doug Peck, for using "Made in USA" products!


                      Well, they NEED to be very tight, Tim.  Otherwise under heavy use, they’re just going to come off!

                      It’s not like early-Gilbert where the rubber was vulcanized to the metal.  More like late-Gilbert, where pop-in bands were recessed into a groove in the tread. But at least Gilbert used good rubber;  Lionel uses Chinese rubber that stretches, breaks, or turns to mush overnight.  That’s why all our bands are “Made in USA”.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782


                      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                      Got the traction tires on.  No lube needed.  Just a little more of a fight than anticipated.

                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI

                       


                       


                       


                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81301 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/15/2019
                      Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
                      Doug,

                      I understand now, just how tight the bands need to be.  I was really afraid I would break them but they are sturdy.

                      The original Lionel bands on the Berk caused it to waddle from the first time it came out of the box.  Your replacements are much appreciated.

                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81302 From: rick gough Date: 5/15/2019
                      Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
                      I wonder what company makes those traction bands?

                      rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing


                      On Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 1:07:34 PM GMT, JAMES ENSIGN jimensign50@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                       


                      On May 14, 2019 at 6:45 PM "Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                       Thank you, Doug Peck, for using "Made in USA" products!


                      Well, they NEED to be very tight, Tim.  Otherwise under heavy use, they’re just going to come off!

                      It’s not like early-Gilbert where the rubber was vulcanized to the metal.  More like late-Gilbert, where pop-in bands were recessed into a groove in the tread. But at least Gilbert used good rubber;  Lionel uses Chinese rubber that stretches, breaks, or turns to mush overnight.  That’s why all our bands are “Made in USA”.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782


                      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                      Got the traction tires on.  No lube needed.  Just a little more of a fight than anticipated.

                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI

                       


                       


                       


                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81303 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/16/2019
                      Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire

                      Unsure what difference that makes. They are a custom-run for each engine style.

                      And if you wanted to have them made for some other engine, you’d have to be prepared to purchase at least 1000 of them !

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 9:48 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Traction bands on Berkshire

                       

                       

                      I wonder what company makes those traction bands?

                       

                      rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing

                       

                       

                      On Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 1:07:34 PM GMT, JAMES ENSIGN jimensign50@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                       

                       

                       

                      On May 14, 2019 at 6:45 PM "Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                       Thank you, Doug Peck, for using "Made in USA" products!

                       

                      Well, they NEED to be very tight, Tim.  Otherwise under heavy use, they’re just going to come off!

                      It’s not like early-Gilbert where the rubber was vulcanized to the metal.  More like late-Gilbert, where pop-in bands were recessed into a groove in the tread. But at least Gilbert used good rubber;  Lionel uses Chinese rubber that stretches, breaks, or turns to mush overnight.  That’s why all our bands are “Made in USA”.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782


                      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                      Got the traction tires on.  No lube needed.  Just a little more of a fight than anticipated.

                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI

                       

                       

                       


                       


                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81304 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/16/2019
                      Subject: Berkshire power pickup

                      While we are thinking about the Lionel Flyer Berk, where does it pick up power?  The reason I ask is it stalls on some but not all American Models and Fox Valley turnouts.  The tender is not even on the turnout when it stalls.  It almost looks like it is picking up from the leading truck.


                      I am hoping that re-gauging the pickup wheels is all that is needed.  This loco worked just fine on Gargraves with AF turnouts back in 2016.  Not so much with SHS track with AM and Fox Valley turnouts.  Despite the fun in watching the volume of smoke generated I am about ready to trade it in on a reliable AM diesel.  But that smoke will be so much fun in December.


                      Regards,


                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81305 From: Howin Date: 5/16/2019
                      Subject: Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
                      I found that MTH has a few replacement traction bands that work very well.
                      Harwood
                       
                       
                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Thu, May 16, 2019 8:00 am
                      Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Traction bands on Berkshire

                       
                      Unsure what difference that makes. They are a custom-run for each engine style.
                      And if you wanted to have them made for some other engine, you’d have to be prepared to purchase at least 1000 of them !
                       
                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.
                       
                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 9:48 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Traction bands on Berkshire
                       
                       
                      I wonder what company makes those traction bands?
                       
                      rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing
                       
                       
                      On Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 1:07:34 PM GMT, JAMES ENSIGN jimensign50@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                       
                       
                       
                       
                      On May 14, 2019 at 6:45 PM "Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       
                       Thank you, Doug Peck, for using "Made in USA" products!
                       
                      Well, they NEED to be very tight, Tim.  Otherwise under heavy use, they’re just going to come off!
                      It’s not like early-Gilbert where the rubber was vulcanized to the metal.  More like late-Gilbert, where pop-in bands were recessed into a groove in the tread. But at least Gilbert used good rubber;  Lionel uses Chinese rubber that stretches, breaks, or turns to mush overnight.  That’s why all our bands are “Made in USA”.
                       
                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782

                      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
                      Got the traction tires on.  No lube needed.  Just a little more of a fight than anticipated.
                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI
                       
                       
                       

                       

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81306 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/16/2019
                      Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
                      Tim,

                      The pick up is on the same truck.  The axles are insulated from one side to the other.  In fact, the Berk can run without a tender if you’ve never tried it.  The tender connection is for sound only and it doesn’t power the locomotive as on traditional AF locos.  I can’t remember but I think there is also a power pickup on the trailing truck.

                      The problem is that on AM and FV turnouts the frog is insulated and there is no power when passing over the frog it if the truck doesn’t span the frog.  Some, but not all locomotives, have this issue.  AM describes a custom fix on the AM website under tips and tricks.  FV has a power feed to the insulated frog.  It is a copper lug on the side of the turnout.  You can fix this by adding a manual switch to change polarity on the frog if you use a manual throw, or you can use an Atlas 200 snap switch to change polarity.  Just mount the snap switch under the layout by the turnout and connect it to your switch controller.  When you throw the switch then the polarity automatically changes.  Just be careful that you don’t provide constant power to the snap switch because it will burn out.  This all sounds more complicated than it really is.

                      Ask me how I know all this…. LOL.  I use FV turnouts, which I really like, but I’ve had to use the Atlas snap switches to power and change polarity on the frog.  By the way, the new Flyonel turnouts are built to power and change polarity on the frog as far as I know.  I have a couple of Flyonel 27” radius turnouts and have had no problem with losing power.

                      Tom Detmer

                      On May 16, 2019, at 3:20 PM, tim.benner@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                      While we are thinking about the Lionel Flyer Berk, where does it pick up power?  The reason I ask is it stalls on some but not all American Models and Fox Valley turnouts.  The tender is not even on the turnout when it stalls.  It almost looks like it is picking up from the leading truck.


                      I am hoping that re-gauging the pickup wheels is all that is needed.  This loco worked just fine on Gargraves with AF turnouts back in 2016.  Not so much with SHS track with AM and Fox Valley turnouts.  Despite the fun in watching the volume of smoke generated I am about ready to trade it in on a reliable AM diesel.  But that smoke will be so much fun in December.


                      Regards,


                      Tim Benner

                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81307 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/17/2019
                      Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
                      Thanks Tom,

                      It is good to have confirmation that the Berk is picking up power from the leading truck, and perhaps trailing truck as well.  I do recall the brass foil fix for the AM turnouts.  The FV turnouts however, are controlled by Tortoise switch motors and I am using the Tortoises secondary circuits to route power to the frogs.  That feature, along with the smaller rail size, is why I started using the FV turnouts.

                      The other snag with the Berk multiple power pickups is with two of my reverse loops.  They are auto-controlled with DCC Specialties PSX-AR-AC power reversers.  The Berk always stalls on the exit of the loop when the PSX-AR reverses current.  Not sure how to fix this issue.  

                      Maybe the Berk would be best on a loop of Lionel track under the Christmas tree.  It is a pleasure to look at in that context.

                      Regards,

                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81308 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/17/2019
                      Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
                      Hi Tim,

                      I also have some Tortoise machines and they work perfectly with the FV turnouts.  I run my Berk over them without a hitch. Are you saying you still have problems with the turnouts even with a properly powered frog?

                      By the way, I verified that both pilot and trailing trucks pick up power, at least on the Berks that are not Polar Express such as my Nickel Plate.  My recollection is that the Polar Express Berks are a little different.  There were a couple of minor modifications on the non-Polar Express Berks and that might have been one of them.  If the original Polar Express Berks don't have power pick-ups front and back, it could even be that newer Polar Express Berks have been upgraded too.

                      The reverse loops using DCC I can't address.  I have two reverse loops and use an Atlas 200 snap switch with each one to reverse polarity inside the loop when the turnout throws.  This has not been an issue for me and the reverse loop works perfectly.  As I said, I don't have DCC so I'm not sure how the "power reverser" operation affects things.  I'm probably too much of a novice with DCC to understand why reversing the polarity while still in the loop would be a problem.  My assumption is the power reverses while both pilot and trailing trucks are still inside the insulated section of the loop when power reverses.  My reverse loops work fine with the Berk.  

                      I hope you can figure it out.  Let us know if a solution is found.

                      Tom Detmer

                      Sent from my iPad

                      On May 17, 2019, at 11:04 AM, tim.benner@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      Thanks Tom,


                      It is good to have confirmation that the Berk is picking up power from the leading truck, and perhaps trailing truck as well.  I do recall the brass foil fix for the AM turnouts.  The FV turnouts however, are controlled by Tortoise switch motors and I am using the Tortoises secondary circuits to route power to the frogs.  That feature, along with the smaller rail size, is why I started using the FV turnouts.

                      The other snag with the Berk multiple power pickups is with two of my reverse loops.  They are auto-controlled with DCC Specialties PSX-AR-AC power reversers.  The Berk always stalls on the exit of the loop when the PSX-AR reverses current.  Not sure how to fix this issue.  

                      Maybe the Berk would be best on a loop of Lionel track under the Christmas tree.  It is a pleasure to look at in that context.

                      Regards,

                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81309 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/18/2019
                      Subject: Flyer Chief Berks
                      Tim and Tom,

                      I don't mean to but in here but I have two of the Berks. The original PE
                      berk will pick up power with one wheel on the pilot truck and two wheels
                      on the trailing truck, plus it will get power from the front set of
                      drivers. The later Berks pick up power from both sides of the trailing
                      truck one wheel on the pilot truck and the front set of driver wheels.
                      All of the drivers on each side of the locomotive are connected but
                      because the middle driver is blind and does not contact the rail and
                      because of the traction band on the rear driver, it will only pick up
                      power on the front pair of drivers. I had problems with My PE Berk
                      stalling several places on my layout which is all original Gilbert Flyer
                      track. I added power pick up to the second set of wheels on the trailing
                      truck by mounting a short length phosphor wire to contact the wheels on
                      the opposite side of the truck. I found also that the wire on the pilot
                      truck was very short and very stiff and it broke so I added a piece of
                      super flex wire to that location. I still had problems with both of the
                      engines stalling occasionally on the layout. I checked out the tender
                      and found that it was actually set up for all wheel power pick up so I
                      attached wires to both side of both trucks and ran them to the engine
                      and added a tether with a micro plug to the locomotive.  This has
                      completely cured the stalling problem on both of the Berks. This may not
                      be the solution you were seeking but it is a cure.

                      Ray
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81310 From: Tom Date: 5/18/2019
                      Subject: Re: Flyer Chief Berks
                      Ray,

                      Excellent information.  Thanks for providing it. 

                      Tom

                      Sent from my iPhone

                      On May 18, 2019, at 8:44 AM, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      Tim and Tom,

                      I don't mean to but in here but I have two of the Berks. The original PE
                      berk will pick up power with one wheel on the pilot truck and two wheels
                      on the trailing truck, plus it will get power from the front set of
                      drivers. The later Berks pick up power from both sides of the trailing
                      truck one wheel on the pilot truck and the front set of driver wheels.
                      All of the drivers on each side of the locomotive are connected but
                      because the middle driver is blind and does not contact the rail and
                      because of the traction band on the rear driver, it will only pick up
                      power on the front pair of drivers. I had problems with My PE Berk
                      stalling several places on my layout which is all original Gilbert Flyer
                      track. I added power pick up to the second set of wheels on the trailing
                      truck by mounting a short length phosphor wire to contact the wheels on
                      the opposite side of the truck. I found also that the wire on the pilot
                      truck was very short and very stiff and it broke so I added a piece of
                      super flex wire to that location. I still had problems with both of the
                      engines stalling occasionally on the layout. I checked out the tender
                      and found that it was actually set up for all wheel power pick up so I
                      attached wires to both side of both trucks and ran them to the engine
                      and added a tether with a micro plug to the locomotive.  This has
                      completely cured the stalling problem on both of the Berks. This may not
                      be the solution you were seeking but it is a cure.

                      Ray
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81311 From: tbennerohio Date: 5/18/2019
                      Subject: Re: Flyer Chief Berks
                      Ray and Tom,

                      Thanks for that info.  That is quite a comprehensive description of power pickup in the Berks.  There may be hope for this early NKP Berk after all.  I will take advantage of all-wheel pickup on the tender as Ray has done.  Then it should run through any turnouts.

                      The PSX-AR-AC auto-reversers on two of the four reverse loops MAY still be a problem if there is a capacitor in the sound power supply.  I think that is the issue with AM diesels with sound in the B units.  They stall in said reverse loops.  Without the B sound units all is well.

                      Regards,

                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81312 From: Tom Date: 5/18/2019
                      Subject: Re: Flyer Chief Berks
                      Tim,

                      Good luck!  Ray is an expert in this stuff so his advice is good.  The Berks are nice engines so it’s worth figuring out how to overcome trouble spots.

                      Tom

                      Sent from my iPhone

                      On May 18, 2019, at 5:18 PM, tim.benner@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      Ray and Tom,


                      Thanks for that info.  That is quite a comprehensive description of power pickup in the Berks.  There may be hope for this early NKP Berk after all.  I will take advantage of all-wheel pickup on the tender as Ray has done.  Then it should run through any turnouts.

                      The PSX-AR-AC auto-reversers on two of the four reverse loops MAY still be a problem if there is a capacitor in the sound power supply.  I think that is the issue with AM diesels with sound in the B units.  They stall in said reverse loops.  Without the B sound units all is well.

                      Regards,

                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81313 From: mleahy68 Date: 5/19/2019
                      Subject: Classic Toy Trains
                      S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains

                      I have 143 issues of the Classic Toy Trains magazine from 1987 to 2010 which are located in Boulder, CO.  They are in outstanding condition, and they are heavy.  If you live close to Boulder, and are interested in these, please let me know?

                      Mike Leahy

                       

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 1:34 AM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 7822

                       

                      4 Messages

                      Digest #7822

                      1a

                      Flyer Chief Berks by "Ray Puls" rpuls3

                      1b

                      Re: Flyer Chief Berks by "Tom" detmer5694

                      1c

                      Re: Flyer Chief Berks by tbennerohio

                      1d

                      Re: Flyer Chief Berks by "Tom" detmer5694

                      Messages

                      Sat May 18, 2019 6:51 am (PDT) . Posted by:

                      "Ray Puls" rpuls3

                      Tim and Tom,

                      I don't mean to but in here but I have two of the Berks. The original PE
                      berk will pick up power with one wheel on the pilot truck and two wheels
                      on the trailing truck, plus it will get power from the front set of
                      drivers. The later Berks pick up power from both sides of the trailing
                      truck one wheel on the pilot truck and the front set of driver wheels.
                      All of the drivers on each side of the locomotive are connected but
                      because the middle driver is blind and does not contact the rail and
                      because of the traction band on the rear driver, it will only pick up
                      power on the front pair of drivers. I had problems with My PE Berk
                      stalling several places on my layout which is all original Gilbert Flyer
                      track. I added power pick up to the second set of wheels on the trailing
                      truck by mounting a short length phosphor wire to contact the wheels on
                      the opposite side of the truck. I found also that the wire on the pilot
                      truck was very short and very stiff and it broke so I added a piece of
                      super flex wire to that location. I still had problems with both of the
                      engines stalling occasionally on the layout. I checked out the tender
                      and found that it was actually set up for all wheel power pick up so I
                      attached wires to both side of both trucks and ran them to the engine
                      and added a tether with a micro plug to the locomotive.  This has
                      completely cured the stalling problem on both of the Berks. This may not
                      be the solution you were seeking but it is a cure.

                      Ray

                      Sat May 18, 2019 9:41 am (PDT) . Posted by:

                      "Tom" detmer5694

                      Ray,

                      Excellent information. Thanks for providing it.

                      Tom

                      Sent from my iPhone

                      > On May 18, 2019, at 8:44 AM, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                      >
                      > Tim and Tom,
                      >
                      > I don't mean to but in here but I have two of the Berks. The original PE
                      > berk will pick up power with one wheel on the pilot truck and two wheels
                      > on the trailing truck, plus it will get power from the front set of
                      > drivers. The later Berks pick up power from both sides of the trailing
                      > truck one wheel on the pilot truck and the front set of driver wheels.
                      > All of the drivers on each side of the locomotive are connected but
                      > because the middle driver is blind and does not contact the rail and
                      > because of the traction band on the rear driver, it will only pick up
                      > power on the front pair of drivers. I had problems with My PE Berk
                      > stalling several places on my layout which is all original Gilbert Flyer
                      > track. I added power pick up to the second set of wheels on the trailing
                      > truck by mounting a short length phosphor wire to contact the wheels on
                      > the opposite side of the truck. I found also that the wire on the pilot
                      > truck was very short and very stiff and it broke so I added a piece of
                      > super flex wire to that location. I still had problems with both of the
                      > engines stalling occasionally on the layout. I checked out the tender
                      > and found that it was actually set up for all wheel power pick up so I
                      > attached wires to both side of both trucks and ran them to the engine
                      > and added a tether with a micro plug to the locomotive. This has
                      > completely cured the stalling problem on both of the Berks. This may not
                      > be the solution you were seeking but it is a cure.
                      >
                      > Ray
                      >
                      >
                      >

                      Sat May 18, 2019 3:29 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                      tbennerohio

                      Ray and Tom,

                      Thanks for that info. That is quite a comprehensive description of power pickup in the Berks. There may be hope for this early NKP Berk after all. I will take advantage of all-wheel pickup on the tender as Ray has done. Then it should run through any turnouts.


                      The PSX-AR-AC auto-reversers on two of the four reverse loops MAY still be a problem if there is a capacitor in the sound power supply. I think that is the issue with AM diesels with sound in the B units. They stall in said reverse loops. Without the B sound units all is well.


                      Regards,


                      Tim Benner
                      Jackson, MI

                      Sat May 18, 2019 6:54 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

                      "Tom" detmer5694

                      Tim,

                      Good luck! Ray is an expert in this stuff so his advice is good. The Berks are nice engines so it’s worth figuring out how to overcome trouble spots.

                      Tom

                      Sent from my iPhone

                      > On May 18, 2019, at 5:18 PM, tim.benner@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                      >
                      > Ray and Tom,
                      >
                      >
                      > Thanks for that info. That is quite a comprehensive description of power pickup in the Berks. There may be hope for this early NKP Berk after all. I will take advantage of all-wheel pickup on the tender as Ray has done. Then it should run through any turnouts.
                      >
                      > The PSX-AR-AC auto-reversers on two of the four reverse loops MAY still be a problem if there is a capacitor in the sound power supply. I think that is the issue with AM diesels with sound in the B units. They stall in said reverse loops.. Without the B sound units all is well.
                      >
                      > Regards,
                      >
                      > Tim Benner
                      > Jackson, MI
                      >

                      Enjoy thousands of great photos
                      at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/

                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81314 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/19/2019
                      Subject: Berks
                      Tom, you are making my head swell.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81315 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/19/2019
                      Subject: Re: Berks
                      LOL  Ray, you’ve always given me good advice.  You know what you’re doing..

                      Tom

                      On May 19, 2019, at 8:44 AM, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                      Tom, you are making my head swell..
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81316 From: poniaj Date: 5/19/2019
                      Subject: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha

                      Guys,

                       

                      While at last weekend’s Spree, I came across a resin cast American HiRail Hiawatha engine and tender shell.  It requires a Gilbert Atlantic chassis and a few more parts.  Does anybody have any recommendations?   Especially which crosshead and pilot truck to use, also hints on assembling a decent looking model.  When these shells were sold, they were part of a kit offered by Tom Hodgeson, and were very limited in quantity.  Does anybody have the instruction sheet or has done one of these?  The original kit included paint, decals, wheels and side frames.  I can manage without those, since paint is paint, and I perhaps can gin up decals and find side frames and wheels to fit, but a few hints on required parts would be appreciated. 

                      Thanks,
                      Jerry Poniatowski
                      Wayne, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81317 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
                      Jerry,

                      I own one that Tom Hodgson finished for me.  As you said, it uses an Atlantic chassis. It has a Delta style two wheel trailing truck.  The linkage is custom. I'll send a picture.  The side rod is standard but the long arm looks modified using the long cross head assembly arm.  I believe the shell's steam chest acts as the cross head guide.  I'll look closer at that.  The tender chassis has a six wheel truck in the front and a four wheel truck in the rear.  Let me know what other questions you have and I'll try to answer them. Unfortunately I don't have the instructions.

                      Tom Detmer
                      Madison, WI

                      Sent from my iPad

                      On May 19, 2019, at 10:32 PM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      Guys,

                       

                      While at last weekend’s Spree, I came across a resin cast American HiRail Hiawatha engine and tender shell.  It requires a Gilbert Atlantic chassis and a few more parts..  Does anybody have any recommendations?   Especially which crosshead and pilot truck to use, also hints on assembling a decent looking model.  When these shells were sold, they were part of a kit offered by Tom Hodgeson, and were very limited in quantity.  Does anybody have the instruction sheet or has done one of these?  The original kit included paint, decals, wheels and side frames.  I can manage without those, since paint is paint, and I perhaps can gin up decals and find side frames and wheels to fit, but a few hints on required parts would be appreciated. 

                      Thanks,
                      Jerry Poniatowski
                      Wayne, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81318 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
                      Jerry,

                      Here are a couple of photos. Let me know if you want a photo from the bottom.
                      image1.JPG
                      image1.JPG
                      image2.JPG

                      Tom did these for me in the mid-90's before I tried these things myself.

                      Tom Detmer

                      Sent from my iPad

                      On May 19, 2019, at 10:32 PM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      Guys,

                       

                      While at last weekend’s Spree, I came across a resin cast American HiRail Hiawatha engine and tender shell.  It requires a Gilbert Atlantic chassis and a few more parts.  Does anybody have any recommendations?   Especially which crosshead and pilot truck to use, also hints on assembling a decent looking model.  When these shells were sold, they were part of a kit offered by Tom Hodgeson, and were very limited in quantity.  Does anybody have the instruction sheet or has done one of these?  The original kit included paint, decals, wheels and side frames.  I can manage without those, since paint is paint, and I perhaps can gin up decals and find side frames and wheels to fit, but a few hints on required parts would be appreciated. 

                      Thanks,
                      Jerry Poniatowski
                      Wayne, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81319 From: Doug Peck Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail

                      I don’t suppose anyone has heard from Tom H in recent years?

                      Like several others, I gave Tom a deposit on an operating rotary snow plow, and never heard another word about it.

                      He did produce some great items.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81320 From: Tom Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
                      Doug,

                      I heard a year or two ago that Tom H. passed away a number of years ago.  I hope I am wrong and perhaps someone can correct me if it’s not true.

                      Tom Detmer

                      On May 20, 2019, at 6:32 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                      I don’t suppose anyone has heard from Tom H in recent years?

                      Like several others, I gave Tom a deposit on an operating rotary snow plow, and never heard another word about it.

                      He did produce some great items.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com                       
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81321 From: poniaj Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
                      Tom,

                      Only the photo of the unit sitting on the shelf came through.  And yes, a bottom photo would help a lot!

                      To keep the message board clearer for those who aren't interested, you can send them to my other account.  That is: "poniaj(at)wowway(dot)com"  (watch the two w's in the middle)

                      Doug,

                      I've heard that since Tom is a pilot, he is working more than ever for his employer, and no longer has a lot of time to devote to making trains.  I agree.  His work is outstanding.

                      Jerry Poniatowski
                      Wayne, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81322 From: Tom Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
                      Jerry,

                      I will get you some additional pictures, probably this evening.  Thanks for the update on Tom H.  I’m glad my information on him was incorrect.  As Mark Twain said “news of my death have been greatly exaggerated!”

                      Tom Detmer
                      Madison, WI

                      On May 20, 2019, at 8:14 AM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                      Tom,

                      Only the photo of the unit sitting on the shelf came through.  And yes, a bottom photo would help a lot!

                      To keep the message board clearer for those who aren't interested, you can send them to my other account.  That is: "poniaj(at)wowway(dot)com"  (watch the two w's in the middle)

                      Doug,

                      I've heard that since Tom is a pilot, he is working more than ever for his employer, and no longer has a lot of time to devote to making trains.  I agree.  His work is outstanding.

                      Jerry Poniatowski
                      Wayne, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81323 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Hiawatha
                      Attachments :
                      Hi Jerry,

                      I'm sending you a couple of additional photos. Again, ask if you want more. Basically, the "guts" of the locomotive and tender are standard Flyer. The jack panel and plug are stuffed up inside the cab. The motor and smoke and chuff are standard. The guide for the pilot is standard except that most of the vertical parts are cut off. It is there only to guide the pilot and it is screwed to the shell. The cross head rod slides between the shell's steam chest and the pilot guide. All of this runs well. I checked and do not have instructions.

                      I would do some things differently if I were making this now myself. I would install an LED, use a can motor, use a cast pilot truck, use a Dallee 400 reverse unit board, and wire the tender to the cab with a micro plug. I've done several of my other Flyer locomotive's this way. I've thought of "upgrading" the Hiawatha but haven't done it yet. I'm sure if you are are doing scale work you would make even more modifications. If you do I'd like to see a picture when you're done.
                      		   @@attachment@@
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81324 From: Douglas Miller Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
                      How is Tom H?  Last name would be helpful.
                      Doug Miller

                      On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:41 AM Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                       

                      Doug,


                      I heard a year or two ago that Tom H. passed away a number of years ago.  I hope I am wrong and perhaps someone can correct me if it’s not true.

                      Tom Detmer

                      On May 20, 2019, at 6:32 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                      I don’t suppose anyone has heard from Tom H in recent years?

                      Like several others, I gave Tom a deposit on an operating rotary snow plow, and never heard another word about it.

                      He did produce some great items.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com                       
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81325 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: More Hiawatha
                      Jerry,

                      Here's what I originally sent.
                      		   @@attachment@@
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81326 From: poniaj Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: Hiawatha
                      Hi Tom,

                      Thanks for the photo, it looks like standard Flyer, all right.  A shot of the front with the pilot's modification would be greatly appreciated, if it's not too hard.  Flyer had a number of different ones.

                      Funny you should mention your upgrades in the second paragraph!  I also plan on a can motor, LED headlight, Dallee reverse unit and different connectors for the tender/loco link.  Since this is a future project, it isn't going to be done for a while.  Yeah.  Just what I need.... another project! 

                      Jerry
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81327 From: Tom Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
                      Doug Miller,

                      “Tom H” who we’ve referred to is Tom Hodgson who operated a company called American High Rail which produced some nice S Gauge items..  One was a resin cast Hiawatha locomotive and tender shell kit.  There were also accompanying passenger cars.

                      Tom Detmer

                      Sent from my iPhone

                      On May 20, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Douglas Miller 3rrmiller@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      How is Tom H?  Last name would be helpful.
                      Doug Miller

                      On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:41 AM Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                       

                      Doug,


                      I heard a year or two ago that Tom H. passed away a number of years ago.  I hope I am wrong and perhaps someone can correct me if it’s not true.

                      Tom Detmer

                      On May 20, 2019, at 6:32 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                      I don’t suppose anyone has heard from Tom H in recent years?

                      Like several others, I gave Tom a deposit on an operating rotary snow plow, and never heard another word about it.

                      He did produce some great items.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com                       
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81328 From: poniaj Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: More Hiawatha
                      Tom,

                      Thanks again.  That's a nice looking model!  It looks like you have the Hiawatha passenger cars behind it too.  That train has been a favorite of mine for a while, especially the beaver tail observation cars.  It would be cool to see it in action.

                      Jerry Poniatowski
                      Wayne, MI
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81329 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail
                      I know several Toms with the last initial H. 


                      On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 7:51 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains]
                      <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                       

                      I don’t suppose anyone has heard from Tom H in recent years?

                      Like several others, I gave Tom a deposit on an operating rotary snow plow, and never heard another word about it.

                      He did produce some great items.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81330 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha [1 Attachment]

                      Isn't this going to involve some wheel swapping to get a studded wheel up front to take the main rod.  That would also be the geared axle so you would have to probably switch the wheels, which would require re-quartering.  I don't think you can just move the studs. 

                      This is a beautiful model though and should be well worth the work.  Congratulations on finding this.

                      Dale Smith

                      On 5/20/2019 4:26 AM, Tom Detmer detmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                       
                      Jerry,

                      Here are a couple of photos. Let me know if you want a photo from the bottom.
                      image1.JPG
                      image1.JPG
                      image2.JPG

                      Tom did these for me in the mid-90's before I tried these things myself.

                      Tom Detmer

                      Sent from my iPad

                      On May 19, 2019, at 10:32 PM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      Guys,

                       

                      While at last weekend’s Spree, I came across a resin cast American HiRail Hiawatha engine and tender shell.  It requires a Gilbert Atlantic chassis and a few more parts.  Does anybody have any recommendations?   Especially which crosshead and pilot truck to use, also hints on assembling a decent looking model.  When these shells were sold, they were part of a kit offered by Tom Hodgeson, and were very limited in quantity.  Does anybody have the instruction sheet or has done one of these?  The original kit included paint, decals, wheels and side frames.  I can manage without those, since paint is paint, and I perhaps can gin up decals and find side frames and wheels to fit, but a few hints on required parts would be appreciated. 

                      Thanks,
                      Jerry Poniatowski
                      Wayne, MI



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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81331 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha [3 Attachments]
                      Dale,

                      Good observation about the wheel positions.  I’m sure Tom Hodgson swapped the wheels.  As you point out, he had to do that for the main rod to be positioned correctly.  The wheels had to actually change because you can’t move the stud to a different wheel.  The studded wheels (which have holes with splines to accept the stud) and non-studded wheels (which have threaded holes to accept the shouldered screws) are different. 

                      The other nuance to this swap is the geared axle has a different diameter on one side than the other so the axle holes need to be different on each side for a proper fit.  That requires actually getting a drive wheel from a Pacific chassis so the two wheels will fit the geared axle on the Atlantic.  It also means swapping one of the studded wheels with a Pacific studded wheel because the Atlantic ones have different sized axle holes and you want wheels with matching axle holes.  I hope that all makes sense.  I hadn’t thought about it until you pointed out the need to swap the wheels.

                      Tom Detmer

                      On May 20, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                      Isn't this going to involve some wheel swapping to get a studded wheel up front to take the main rod.  That would also be the geared axle so you would have to probably switch the wheels, which would require re-quartering.  I don't think you can just move the studs.  

                      This is a beautiful model though and should be well worth the work.  Congratulations on finding this.

                      Dale Smith
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81332 From: sgaugian Date: 5/23/2019
                      Subject: Re: Berkshire power pickup
                      FC Berk power pick-up and performance also be improved by 1) confirming all four pick-up springs on the trailing truck wheels are making proper contact with the axle, and 2) enlarging the oval hole in the die-cast truck as well as the oval hole in the sheet metal drawbar that both slip over a post extending down from the frame of the engine.  I have two.  Both needed some p.u. spring tuning - either light to no contact or with too much pressure.  Both ran a lot better (without interruption), especially when backing up slowly through turnouts or adjacent opposite curves (a no-no I realize, but it happens), after I enabled the trailing truck and drawbar to more freely move about that post.  They otherwise could get stuck in certain positions causing a wheel or two to momentarily lose contact with a rail.  One other thing to be aware of is that a stubby, silver, stud in the side of the gearbox casing can work its way out of the casing toward the driver next to it.  Eventually, once far enough out of position, it will contact the back of that driver and put on a spark show, especially when going slowly through curves. Clean the protruded portion of the stud.  Apply a tiny amount of CA glue to it and gently slide it back flush with the outer surface of the casing.  All will be well again.  Overall, I like my FC Berks, but as with every TMCC, Legacy, or other FC (e.g. BLW) engine that I've owned and operated (except for one) there's some thing or things that needs attention to be truly RTR and stay that way.  At least to my satisfaction.  Which model didn't require at least one measure or another?  ES44ACe.   
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81333 From: Dale Smith Date: 5/23/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha

                      Tom,

                      Good point about the axle diameters.???? It is even more complicated than I thought.?? Not a simple job, but I think it is well worth it.?? If I understand correctly, you could swap on the small axle side front to rear but on the other side you would need "Pacific donor wheels."?? All the time making sure everything is quartered correctly.?? I also guess that, depending on the quartering jig, you might need one for the Pacific, using only the two rear wheel positions.

                      Dale

                      On 5/20/2019 5:48 PM, Tom Detmer detmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                      ??

                      Dale,


                      Good observation about the wheel positions. ??I???m sure Tom Hodgson swapped the wheels. ??As you point out, he had to do that for the main rod to be positioned correctly. ??The wheels had to actually change because you can???t move the stud to a different wheel. ??The studded wheels (which have holes with splines to accept the stud) and non-studded wheels (which have threaded holes to accept the shouldered screws) are different.??

                      The other nuance to this swap is the geared axle has a different diameter on one side than the other so the axle holes need to be different on each side for a proper fit. ??That requires actually getting a drive wheel from a Pacific chassis so the two wheels will fit the geared axle on the Atlantic. ??It also means swapping one of the studded wheels with a Pacific studded wheel because the Atlantic ones have different sized axle holes and you want wheels with matching axle holes. ??I hope that all makes sense. ??I hadn???t thought about it until you pointed out the need to swap the wheels.

                      Tom Detmer

                      On May 20, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                      Isn't this going to involve some wheel swapping to get a studded wheel up front to take the main rod.?? That would also be the geared axle so you would have to probably switch the wheels, which would require re-quartering.?? I don't think you can just move the studs.????

                      This is a beautiful model though and should be well worth the work.?? Congratulations on finding this.

                      Dale Smith



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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81334 From: sgaugian Date: 5/23/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
                      Post war AF axles have the same knurled-end OD onto which wheels get pressed, no matter if of one bearing surface outer diameter or two.  You can put whatever wheel on it that you want.  In the case of a steamer, just be sure they are quartered correctly and consistently.  Steamer drivers are either made to accommodate a push-rod stud or not, as was mentioned.  Be sure when installing a stud you orient it correctly so the eccentric is vertical when the stud is in the 6 o'clock position.  I had one of these Hiawatha Atlantics in finished form.  Sharp looking, OK running.  Don't forget, it's an Atlantic chassis in about a Hudson sized body.  Have fun.  Enjoy it.  
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81335 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/23/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
                      Dale,

                      Swapping wheels sounds more complicated than it is. Just have patience and don't rush. I've had very good success quartering wheels without a jig, although a jig makes it easier. For the number of times I've had to quarter wheels I felt that I couldn't justify buying an expensive jig. To press on the wheels evenly, I cut two small pieces of wood and drilled a hole slightly larger than the diameter of a stud so I can fit them on wheels with studs. Then using my drill press with a flathead bolt inserted in the chuck I was able to evenly press the new wheel onto the axle with slow even pressure.

                      The big thing is to carefully keep track of the wheels with big and small diameter axle holes. The "new" wheels you need can come from a donor Pacific chassis or a box of spare wheels. Also remember the studded wheel needs a stud with a round end and not a square ended stud such as you find on K-5's and Hudsons.

                      Again, it's really not hard if you take your time. Good luck!

                      Tom

                      Sent from my iPad

                      > On May 23, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                      >
                      > As
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81336 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/23/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
                      David,

                      Thanks for the axle info.  I remembered the geared axle has one diameter on one side and a slightly smaller one on the other side.  It's been a while since I've done it so I didn't recall that the splined ends of the axle have the same OD. That does keep it simpler.

                      Tom

                      Sent from my iPad

                      On May 23, 2019, at 4:00 PM, davidghorn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                      Post war AF axles have the same knurled-end OD onto which wheels get pressed, no matter if of one bearing surface outer diameter or two.  You can put whatever wheel on it that you want.  In the case of a steamer, just be sure they are quartered correctly and consistently.  Steamer drivers are either made to accommodate a push-rod stud or not, as was mentioned.  Be sure when installing a stud you orient it correctly so the eccentric is vertical when the stud is in the 6 o'clock position.  I had one of these Hiawatha Atlantics in finished form.  Sharp looking, OK running.  Don't forget, it's an Atlantic chassis in about a Hudson sized body.  Have fun.  Enjoy it.  
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81337 From: Tom Detmer Date: 5/23/2019
                      Subject: Re: American Hi-Rail Hiawatha
                      Dale,

                      See the post by David Horn about axle diameters. The splined ends may all be the same diameter and so the concern about axle hole diameters on wheels may be unwarranted. Your job may be even easier than I thought and a donor Pacific chassis may not even be necessary.

                      Tom

                      Sent from my iPad

                      > On May 23, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                      >
                      > Tom,
                      >
                      > Good point about the axle diameters.???? It is even more complicated than
                      > I thought.?? Not a simple job, but I think it is well worth it.?? If I
                      > understand correctly, you could swap on the small axle side front to
                      > rear but on the other side you would need "Pacific donor wheels."?? All
                      > the time making sure everything is quartered correctly.?? I also guess
                      > that, depending on the quartering jig, you might need one for the
                      > Pacific, using only the two rear wheel positions.
                      >
                      > Dale
                      >
                      >> On 5/20/2019 5:48 PM, Tom Detmer detmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                      >>
                      >> Dale,
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Good observation about the wheel positions. ??I???m sure Tom Hodgson
                      >> swapped the wheels. ??As you point out, he had to do that for the main
                      >> rod to be positioned correctly. ??The wheels had to actually change
                      >> because you can???t move the stud to a different wheel. ??The studded
                      >> wheels (which have holes with splines to accept the stud) and
                      >> non-studded wheels (which have threaded holes to accept the shouldered
                      >> screws) are different.
                      >>
                      >> The other nuance to this swap is the geared axle has a different
                      >> diameter on one side than the other so the axle holes need to be
                      >> different on each side for a proper fit. ??That requires actually
                      >> getting a drive wheel from a Pacific chassis so the two wheels will
                      >> fit the geared axle on the Atlantic. ??It also means swapping one of
                      >> the studded wheels with a Pacific studded wheel because the Atlantic
                      >> ones have different sized axle holes and you want wheels with matching
                      >> axle holes. ??I hope that all makes sense. ??I hadn???t thought about it
                      >> until you pointed out the need to swap the wheels.
                      >>
                      >> Tom Detmer
                      >>
                      >>> On May 20, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@...
                      >>> <mailto:dalefsmith@...> [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      >>> <mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>> Isn't this going to involve some wheel swapping to get a studded
                      >>> wheel up front to take the main rod.?? That would also be the geared
                      >>> axle so you would have to probably switch the wheels, which would
                      >>> require re-quartering.?? I don't think you can just move the studs.
                      >>>
                      >>> This is a beautiful model though and should be well worth the work.??
                      >>> Congratulations on finding this.
                      >>>
                      >>> Dale Smith
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81338 From: hhisgauger Date: 5/27/2019
                      Subject: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
                      I have several American Models ABA PA sets and would like to convert to Legacy— or should I just purchase the Flyonel AA Legacy set— road names not a factor— let me know your thoughts and opinions on the plus and minus of AM vs AF — thanks !
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81339 From: Ray Puls Date: 5/28/2019
                      Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Digest Number 7826

                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 7826
                      I am afraid that you will not be able to convert those to Legacy, I don't believe that Lionel is selling Legacy boards. You can do a TMCC conversion using 3rd Rails DC board or the DC Cruise board. These locomotives have limited space in the powered units but if your B is a dummy you can put the motor driver board and the sound board in it and connect the power units with tethers.
                      I  a fan of both AM and AF but must admit the detail on the AM models is better than Flyer, I own PAs from both although none of the Flyer sets are Legacy, mine I have converted to TMCC with Cruise.
                      Ray


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                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81340 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/30/2019
                      Subject: Re: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
                      If you are already a Legacy user, then yes, I would convert using the Electric Railroad TMCC boards http://www.3rdrail.com/err-3rdrail/index.html
                      The AM PA's are much nicer than the Flyonel ones in my view. As for installation of control and sound boards, several of us have done these and can advise you or you can have it professionally done by Ed Goldin http://www.goldinhands.com
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81341 From: hhisgauger Date: 5/31/2019
                      Subject: Re: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
                      Thanks so much for the great advice! Do you recommend the Cruise Commander for $129?
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81342 From: chuck_7612 Date: 5/31/2019
                      Subject: Re: PA - Flyonel Vs American Models
                      It is highly unlikely that it will fit. They previously made a product called Cruise Commander Lite that would almost certainly fit in a PA although I have never tried it. Ed Goldin may still have some since he stocked up when they were going out of production.

                      The Mini Commander II will work but it doesn't have cruise control. Unless you have lots of grades on your layout, it may not make much difference to you though.
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81343 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/11/2019
                      Subject: Re: 751 Plunger

                      If still needed, we have the 751 plunger and rod available now. Had them made this spring.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 3:38 AM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: 751 Plunger

                       

                       

                      On 12/28/2018 5:55 PM, Robert Graves theupstairstrain@...
                      [S-Trains] wrote:

                      > I dug out my orange high trestle set and it’s the same height as the
                      > highest trestle in my orange trestle set. It didn’t dawn on me to
                      > compare it with my black trestle set; I assume it’s the same as the
                      > orange set, but I’ve never compared them.
                      >
                      > Bob Graves

                      I did some online research and the 783 High trestle set is just 12 of
                      the highest trestles in the 780 set to let you create longer elevated
                      tracks.

                      On another topic, does anyone have the solenoid plunger and wire for a
                      751 log loader? I have one that is almost complete but missing that one
                      part.

                      It is the solenoid link that raises the bottom log lifter to allow the
                      logs to be grabbed by the crane mechanism.

                      George Cohn
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81344 From: Kyle Date: 6/17/2019
                      Subject: Re: AM GG1 marking removal

                       

                       

                      From: Sharon [mailto:wishme@...]
                      Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 10:39 PM
                      To: 'S-Trains@yahoogroups.com'
                      Subject: AM GG1 marking removal

                       

                      Does anyone have experience in removing only the markings (road number) from the green AM GG1 without damaging the underlying paint?

                       

                      Our BAAFC will be setting up in the railroad museum of Pennsylvania next to their GG1 and I would like to change my GG1 to match road numbers at the show.

                       

                      Kyle
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81345 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 6/18/2019
                      Subject: Re: AM GG1 marking removal
                      Kyle,
                         it's pretty simple and safe for the paint on your model. Using a paintbrush apply Micro-Scale Micro-sol to JUST the lettering or number you want to remove let it dry and apply another coat. let that dry as well. When it is dry apply some scotch tape over the number or whatever it is you are removing. leave one end long enough to grab hold of it and burnish down completely over the lettering or number to be removed. Pull the tape up and the factory lettering should come off with the tape. You may have to do a second application but this is the safest method I have found to work I like it cause you can be selective on what you remove.
                                                                                                                Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                Kalispell, MT
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81346 From: Tom Hawley Date: 6/19/2019
                      Subject: Viewing stand
                      Has any club with a portable layout built a viewing platform so little people can get a good view of the layout?  If so, any pictures available?
                       
                      tom Hawley
                      Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers
                       
                       
                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81347 From: Robert Graves Date: 6/19/2019
                      Subject: Re: Viewing stand
                      We didn't build one. I don't recall where we got them but we have three. They're lightweight and portable so a child can carry it with him as he walks around the layout.

                      Seventh picture down on the club's home page:





                      Bob Graves
                      TheGilbertGallery.org


                      On Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 5:48:34 PM PDT, 'Tom Hawley' t.hawley@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                       

                      Has any club with a portable layout built a viewing platform so little people can get a good view of the layout?  If so, any pictures available?
                       
                      tom Hawley
                      Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers
                       
                       
                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81348 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 6/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: Viewing stand
                      That sounds like those little plastic step stools one sees around kitchens, which would make a lot more sense than building a cumbersome wood affair.

                      Jace Kahn
                      General Manager
                      Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.


                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:00 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Viewing stand
                       
                       

                      We didn't build one. I don't recall where we got them but we have three. They're lightweight and portable so a child can carry it with him as he walks around the layout.

                      Seventh picture down on the club's home page:





                      Bob Graves
                      TheGilbertGallery.org


                      On Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 5:48:34 PM PDT, 'Tom Hawley' t.hawley@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                       

                      Has any club with a portable layout built a viewing platform so little people can get a good view of the layout?  If so, any pictures available?
                       
                      tom Hawley
                      Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers
                       
                       
                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81349 From: Doug Peck Date: 6/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: Viewing stand

                      Our club opted not to provide these due to liability issues, even though we maintain a liability insurance policy.  We always notice that many parents carry something themselves for their “little one” to use.

                       

                      Doug Peck
                      Port Lines Hobby Supply
                      6 Storeybrooke Drive
                      Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                      doug@...
                      www.portlines.com
                      Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                      Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                      VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                       

                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:00 PM
                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Viewing stand

                       

                       

                      We didn't build one. I don't recall where we got them but we have three. They're lightweight and portable so a child can carry it with him as he walks around the layout.

                       

                      Seventh picture down on the club's home page:

                       

                       

                      San Diego S-Gaugers

                      Official website for the San Diego S-Gaugers model railroading club

                       

                       

                       

                      Bob Graves

                      TheGilbertGallery.org

                       

                       

                      On Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 5:48:34 PM PDT, 'Tom Hawley' t.hawley@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                       

                       

                       

                      Has any club with a portable layout built a viewing platform so little people can get a good view of the layout?  If so, any pictures available?

                       

                      tom Hawley

                      Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers

                       

                       

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81350 From: Ken Christiansen Date: 6/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: Viewing stand

                      Our StateLine S Gaugers layout has two different lengths of dowel legs that get clamped into pockets under the table. Works really well as the legs travel clamped to bottom of each module so as we tear down for travel the short legs go under each module.  We also installed hinged caster plates on one of a pair of nesting modules.   After connecting the two together we just roll out to the trailer.

                       

                      Ken Christiansen

                      Broker, BHHS Crosby Starck R.E.

                      551 N. Mulford Rd.

                      Rockford, IL 61107

                      815-218-3957

                       

                      Free home search app; 

                      http://app.bhhsre.com/BHHS279416/

                      OR TEXT; BHHS279416 to 87778

                       

                       

                       
                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81351 From: Kyle Date: 6/20/2019
                      Subject: Re: Viewing stand
                      Attachments :

                        Even tho the BAAFC also carries liability insurance, we too decided not to provide stands. One time when we set up in the Baltimore B&O museum and they provided some, a child fell off (luckily not hurt) and the mutual decision was made to pull them.

                        Kyle

                         

                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                        Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:29 AM
                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Viewing stand

                         

                         

                        Our club opted not to provide these due to liability issues, even though we maintain a liability insurance policy.  We always notice that many parents carry something themselves for their “little one” to use.

                         

                        Doug Peck
                        Port Lines Hobby Supply
                        6 Storeybrooke Drive
                        Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                        doug@...
                        www.portlines.com
                        Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                        Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                        VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                         

                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:00 PM
                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Viewing stand

                         

                         

                        We didn't build one. I don't recall where we got them but we have three. They're lightweight and portable so a child can carry it with him as he walks around the layout.

                         

                        Seventh picture down on the club's home page:

                         

                         

                        Image removed by sender.

                        San Diego S-Gaugers

                        Official website for the San Diego S-Gaugers model railroading club

                         

                         

                         

                        Bob Graves

                        TheGilbertGallery.org

                         

                         

                        On Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 5:48:34 PM PDT, 'Tom Hawley' t.hawley@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                         

                         

                         

                        Has any club with a portable layout built a viewing platform so little people can get a good view of the layout?  If so, any pictures available?

                         

                        tom Hawley

                        Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers

                         

                         

                         
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81352 From: dockside98 Date: 6/21/2019
                        Subject: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
                        Group,

                        I have 3 LWs on my AF layout, one operates well and runs cool, the other two LWs seem to operate OK but I noticed that the common post become very hot to the touch after being on for 10 minutes or so. Any Idea what causes these two to run so hot? Swapped the good unit with one of the units that get hot and it stays cool in both positions so I would think that eliminates the other units being overworked!!

                        Ed Sauers
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81353 From: attic02 Date: 6/21/2019
                        Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
                        I am using a lionel kw and a lionel tw for lights and accessories because they can handle it all and you can buy those at good prices on Ebay if you watch for them.  All parts for them are readily available on Ebay.
                        Just thinking about my experiences for the last 38 years running lionel and now American Flyer for the past.4 years
                          Ron Petersen 



                        Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

                        -------- Original message --------
                        From: "edsauers@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                        Date: 6/21/19 7:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel LW Transformer question/problem

                         

                        Group,

                        I have 3 LWs on my AF layout, one operates well and runs cool, the other two LWs seem to operate OK but I noticed that the common post become very hot to the touch after being on for 10 minutes or so. Any Idea what causes these two to run so hot? Swapped the good unit with one of the units that get hot and it stays cool in both positions so I would think that eliminates the other units being overworked!!

                        Ed Sauers
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81354 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 6/21/2019
                        Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem

                        The transformer should not get that hot under normal use. 

                         

                        Try running each of the transformers separately without any load for ten minutes to see if the common connections still get hot.  If so, unplug, open the case, and see if the whole transformer is hot.  If so, you may have a shorted turn in the winding.

                         

                        If not, check or clean and redo the connection of the common lead of the transformer to the common lugs.  If the connection isn’t clean and tight it will have some resistance and the power lost in that resistive connection will be turned into heat.  The load wires to your layout should also be clean and bright, and the connections tight.     

                         

                        Did you get these transformers new or did a previous owner sell them to you?  Someone may have tried to rebuild one or more of these transformers before you got them and mis-wired them. 

                         

                        Do you have a multi-meter?

                         

                        Jerry F.

                         

                         

                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                        Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 5:13 PM
                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel LW Transformer question/problem

                         

                         

                        Group,

                         

                        I have 3 LWs on my AF layout, one operates well and runs cool, the other two LWs seem to operate OK but I noticed that the common post become very hot to the touch after being on for 10 minutes or so. Any Idea what causes these two to run so hot? Swapped the good unit with one of the units that get hot and it stays cool in both positions so I would think that eliminates the other units being overworked!!

                         

                        Ed Sauers
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81355 From: Edward Davis Date: 6/22/2019
                        Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
                        Strange that two out of three overheat.. overload on those two perhaps..or remove the cover and see if there's a loose connection.. Or post not tight in mounting, can't think of anything else..  check out how much stuff is connected and approx power draw for all items. I tried.. Ed Davis Boise ID

                        On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:07 PM edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                         

                        Group,

                        I have 3 LWs on my AF layout, one operates well and runs cool, the other two LWs seem to operate OK but I noticed that the common post become very hot to the touch after being on for 10 minutes or so. Any Idea what causes these two to run so hot? Swapped the good unit with one of the units that get hot and it stays cool in both positions so I would think that eliminates the other units being overworked!!

                        Ed Sauers
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81356 From: racin510 Date: 6/22/2019
                        Subject: Re: Lionel LW Transformer question/problem
                        I think Jerry answered your question. Case off and clean up wiring to the post.

                        Rick
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81357 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 6/28/2019
                        Subject: Central Coast Railroad Festival (Calif.) - Show Your Railroad

                        Central Coast Railroad Festival (Calif.) - Show Your Railroad

                        The Central Coast Railroad Festival returns this year to San Luis Obispo and northern San Barbara Counties on October 4-6, 2019 (Friday-Sunday).

                        As in past years I will organize a tour of model railroads and garden railroads in the above areas. Last year we had thirty-two railroads on the tour.

                        If you have an operating railroad I would like you to consider participating in the tour. Participating in a layout tour is a great way to share your work and meet your fellow model and garden railroaders. You’ve probably worked hard on your railroad so you might as well get some recognition from people who will appreciate your efforts.

                        We are only asking railroad owners to be open for four or more hours on just one day. Additional days and hours are at the owner’s option, including "early bird" showings on Thursday, October 3. And we are asking owners in Santa Maria and areas south of Santa Maria to be open only on Sunday, if convenient for them.

                        All you need to do is operate your trains. I will do all the planning and publicity, as I have done for fifty-nine previously tours since 2006, including eight previous tours for the Central Coast Railroad Festival.

                        This tour will be a free, self-guided tour. No buses will be used.

                        If you have any questions before committing to the tour, please ask. In any event, please contact me OFF LIST in the next several weeks if you are interested so we can add your railroad to the tour. Once you have been added to the tour I will contact you in August to set your days and hours.

                        Thank you.

                        Bob Chaparro

                        Hemet, CA

                        Moderator - Model Railroads of Southern California

                        Layout Tour Coordinator - 2019 Central Coast RR Festival

                        E-Mail: chiefbobbb@... [chiefbobbb AT verizon DOT net]

                        Festival Website: http://www.ccrrf.com/

                        Photos From 2018 Tour:

                        http://www.ccrrf.com/1810xx-MRSC-Layout-Tour-photos-Chaparro.html

                         
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81358 From: attic02 Date: 6/28/2019
                        Subject: CHEAP BIG KW 190 WATT TRANSFORMER BY LIONEL 1950'S

                        THERE IS A KW ON EBAY CHEAP


                        There is a lionel KW 190 Watt Transfomer on Ebay now.  $45.00 buy it now.


                        These KW's are great transformers.  


                        I use one of these to run my switches on one handle and the operating accessories on the other handle.  


                        LIONEL KW TRANSFORMER * 190 WATT


                        https://www.ebay.com/itm/LIONEL-TYPE-KW-190-WATTS-TRANSFORMER-579575/392271046983?hash=item5b552d2947:g:h6kAAOSwnO5cpXYa


                        I thought maybe someone in our group is looking for a good transformer. 


                        Ron Petersen
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81359 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 7/6/2019
                        Subject: showcase line dcc F7 B units
                        purchased A-B-B-A Pennsy Units more than 10 years ago. A units run fine, Both B. units just quit. B units were powered . Have no idea why both B units died around the same time. Could be something I did... Looking for schematics for these units.  I would appreciate any suggestions one might have.

                        Kindest regards,

                        Chuck Bukauskas
                        Cordova,Tn.
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81360 From: tennsgauge Date: 7/6/2019
                        Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
                        Chuck,

                        How were the “B” units controlled?

                        If you are using the “MU” wires so that an “A” unit was controlling the “B” unit, maybe there is a problem with the “MU” wires.

                        Or do the “B” units have their own DCC decoders or LocoMatic equipment?

                        - Earl Henry,
                           Nashville

                        Sent from my iPhone Earl Henry, Jr

                        On Jul 6, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Chuck Bukauskas cbukauskas@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                         

                        purchased A-B-B-A Pennsy Units more than 10 years ago. A units run fine, Both B. units just quit. B units were powered . Have no idea why both B units died around the same time.. Could be something I did... Looking for schematics for these units.  I would appreciate any suggestions one might have.

                        Kindest regards,

                        Chuck Bukauskas
                        Cordova,Tn.
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81361 From: snstrains Date: 7/6/2019
                        Subject: showcase line dcc F7 B units
                        Maybe the connecting wires have gone TU

                        Steve Blackburn
                        Boise, Id.
                        In a message dated 7/6/2019 1:57:00 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                         

                         

                        purchased A-B-B-A Pennsy Units more than 10 years ago. A units run fine, Both B. units just quit. B units were powered . Have no idea why both B units died around the same time. Could be something I did... Looking for schematics for these units.  I would appreciate any suggestions one might have.

                        Kindest regards,

                        Chuck Bukauskas
                        Cordova,Tn.
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81362 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 7/6/2019
                        Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
                        Hi Earl, 
                        Best i can tell the b unit had its own decoder and could run solo. they both ran well until last month. I am stumped. Hope all is well in Nashville.

                        Thanks.

                        Kindest regards,

                        chuck Bukauskas

                        On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 6:57 PM tennsgauge tennsgauge@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                         

                        Chuck,


                        How were the “B” units controlled?

                        If you are using the “MU” wires so that an “A” unit was controlling the “B” unit, maybe there is a problem with the “MU” wires.

                        Or do the “B” units have their own DCC decoders or LocoMatic equipment?

                        - Earl Henry,
                           Nashville

                        Sent from my iPhone Earl Henry, Jr

                        On Jul 6, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Chuck Bukauskas cbukauskas@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                         

                        purchased A-B-B-A Pennsy Units more than 10 years ago. A units run fine, Both B. units just quit. B units were powered .. Have no idea why both B units died around the same time.. Could be something I did... Looking for schematics for these units.  I would appreciate any suggestions one might have.

                        Kindest regards,

                        Chuck Bukauskas
                        Cordova,Tn.
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81363 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/7/2019
                        Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
                        Chuck,
                           My wife has an A-B-A set of F-7's in Santa Fe. I don't know if they are decoder equipped or not but I will try to persuade her to let me scan the manual and email a copy to you. This was the set she took away from me when she found out I wanted to strip the paint and repaint them for NP lol.
                                                                                                                    Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                     Kalispell, MT
                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81364 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 7/7/2019
                        Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
                        Attachments :
                          Hi Bob:
                          As a SF fan, I have to say I applaud her action!!:-)
                          regards,
                          Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                          On 7/7/2019 05:16 AM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                           

                          Chuck,

                             My wife has an A-B-A set of F-7's in Santa Fe. I don't know if they are decoder equipped or not but I will try to persuade her to let me scan the manual and email a copy to you. This was the set she took away from me when she found out I wanted to strip the paint and repaint them for NP lol.
                                                                                                                      Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                       Kalispell, MT
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81365 From: Ray Puls Date: 7/7/2019
                          Subject: B units

                          Have you checked wires from the power pick ups from wipers on wheels?
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81366 From: Edward Davis Date: 7/7/2019
                          Subject: Re: showcase line dcc F7 B units
                          ANYONE OUT THERE seeking some custom painted [long] fallen flag  AF freight cars?  several roads.  I have some to sell  $15 with link couplers, $17 with knuckle trucks.. consideration given to multiple car orders, tanks, boxcars, gondolas and hoppers likewise some other  common freight cars. parts stuff etc. Some custom paint Lionel O27 freight cars as well and Scout size compatible with S gage cars.. truck swaps simple.  some smaller transformers  Flyer and Lionel postwar  one 150 watt one too..  Ed Davis, Boise, Idaho. 

                          On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 6:07 AM Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                           

                          Hi Bob:
                          As a SF fan, I have to say I applaud her action!!:-)
                          regards,
                          Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                          On 7/7/2019 05:16 AM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                           

                          Chuck,

                             My wife has an A-B-A set of F-7's in Santa Fe. I don't know if they are decoder equipped or not but I will try to persuade her to let me scan the manual and email a copy to you. This was the set she took away from me when she found out I wanted to strip the paint and repaint them for NP lol.
                                                                                                                      Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                       Kalispell, MT
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81367 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/7/2019
                          Subject: Re: B units
                          Ray could be on to something there. Check the wires AND the wipers. A wire could be broken to the point that it LOOKS ok but is in fact not making contact. The same goes for the wipers. They may look ok but are in fact NOT making contact. Case in point. my car would not start one time. it wouldn't even make a clicking sound yet the battery had a full charge. I decided to pull the starter and take it in and get a new one. As I began removing the starter I found a loose connection. After re-tightening the car fired right up. Similar situation you could just have a loose or bad connection.
                               Bob Lampe
                               Kalispell, MT
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81368 From: Chuck Bukauskas Date: 7/8/2019
                          Subject: Re: B units
                          Hi Ray, 
                          That I did not do. I cleaned the wheel sets ..I did not realize it had wipers on the wheels. Reluctant to take shell off .

                          Thank you for responding.

                          Kindest regards,

                          Chuck Bukauskas

                          On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 8:59 AM Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                           


                          Have you checked wires from the power pick ups from wipers on wheels?
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81369 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/10/2019
                          Subject: Spiral Train Layout
                          Spiral Train Layout

                          I ran across this on a different site, but since I hadn’t seen anything like this before, I though others in the group might be interested.    I estimate in excess of 250 cars all circling at once.  Enjoy!

                          https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/hmt-forum/model_train_spiral.mp4 

                          Jerry F.
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81370 From: gartrain404 Date: 7/11/2019
                          Subject: Re: Spiral Train Layout
                          That is an amazing spiral. Seem to be 3 diesel engines scattered in the mix.
                           
                          Glenn
                           

                          Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by:

                          "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@...

                          I ran across this on a different site, but since I hadn't seen anything like
                          this before, I though others in the group might be interested. I estimate
                          in excess of 250 cars all circling at once. Enjoy!

                          https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/hmt-forum/model_train_spiral.mp4

                          Jerry F.
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81371 From: johntech Date: 7/11/2019
                          Subject: Re: Spiral Train Layout

                          Better count them again… There’s more than 3!!

                           

                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                          Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 9:25 AM
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Spiral Train Layout

                           

                           

                          That is an amazing spiral. Seem to be 3 diesel engines scattered in the mix.

                           

                          Glenn

                           

                          Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by:

                          "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@...

                          I ran across this on a different site, but since I hadn't seen anything like
                          this before, I though others in the group might be interested. I estimate
                          in excess of 250 cars all circling at once. Enjoy!

                          https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/hmt-forum/model_train_spiral.mp4

                          Jerry F.


                          Virus-free.. www.avast.com
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81372 From: Ron Petersen Date: 7/11/2019
                          Subject: Re: Spiral Train Layout

                          Awesome!!!Thanks Ron Petesen

                          On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 8:58:53 AM CDT, gartrain404@comcast..net [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                           

                          That is an amazing spiral. Seem to be 3 diesel engines scattered in the mix.
                           
                          Glenn
                           

                          Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by:

                          "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@...

                          I ran across this on a different site, but since I hadn't seen anything like
                          this before, I though others in the group might be interested. I estimate
                          in excess of 250 cars all circling at once.. Enjoy!

                          https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/hmt-forum/model_train_spiral.mp4

                          Jerry F.
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81373 From: Fred Alles Date: 7/11/2019
                          Subject: Was there a 310 SIT?
                          I found a 310 S.I.T that  looks original but I can’t find such a version in any Book of American Flyer trains I have.  Anyone ever seen one or is it a fake?  It works great.

                          Fred
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81374 From: Bruce DeGailler Date: 7/11/2019
                          Subject: Re: Was there a 310 SIT?
                          Fred, the 310 was a bare bones  Pennsy with no smoke or choo choo. Sounds like this one has a tender from a '47 model.

                          Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid
                          On Jul 11, 2019 4:12 PM, "Fred Alles falles1504@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                           

                          I found a 310 S.I.T that  looks original but I can’t find such a version in any Book of American Flyer trains I have.  Anyone ever seen one or is it a fake?  It works great.

                          Fred
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81375 From: Doug Peck Date: 7/11/2019
                          Subject: Re: Was there a 310 SIT?

                          300-310-320-350 engines had no smoke or choo-choo.

                          Gilbert initially had a numbering system in which the third digit had significance.

                          “0” meant no smoke or choo-choo.

                          “1” meant choo-choo only….no smoke.

                          “2” meant it had both.

                          This system didn’t continue in later years, however.

                           

                          However, it wouldn’t be difficult for someone to adapt a 310 engine to a SIT by substituting a tender, and adding a brass smoke tube in the boiler (that’s the hardest part, but we’ve done it! ).

                           

                          <<< I found a 310 S.I.T that  looks original but I can’t find such a version in any Book of American Flyer trains I have.  Anyone ever seen one or is it a fake?  It works great.

                          >>>  

                          Doug Peck
                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                          doug@...
                          www.portlines.com
                          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                           

                           
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81376 From: carl4flyer Date: 7/13/2019
                          Subject: FW: Big Boy "surges"
                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com]
                          On Behalf Of John Davis johndavis7993@... [S-Trains]
                          Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 10:38 AM
                          To: s-trains-owner@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Fwd: Big Boy "surges"

                          I am a member of this group but it will not accept posts from my iPhone. The
                          desktop computer associated with my access is 1300 miles away. Please
                          accommodate me on getting this posted. Thank you, John Davis Noblesville
                          IN.

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          Begin forwarded message:

                          > My AF Big Boy is in its second summer of operation. I bought it new years
                          ago, and it was on display in the loft of our Wyoming summer cabin. Last
                          summer, I modified the tunnel to accommodate it and it has been a crowd
                          pleaser ever since. This summer, it has developed erratic speed at constant
                          throttle. I operate it conventional with a late model Lionel 80 watt
                          transformer. I had it set with Odyssey speed control "on" as the Manual
                          suggests, but it became unmanageable and I switched it off and it's better
                          but not as good as last summer. The track and wheels are clean, and it seems
                          to me that the fuzzy logic electronics that allow you to start it up with
                          smoke and chatter and then transition into movement with a bit more throttle
                          isn't playing nice with the powertrain. Any suggestions or coaching will be
                          appreciated. / John Davis Noblesville IN.
                          >
                          > Sent from my iPhone
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81377 From: carl4flyer Date: 7/13/2019
                          Subject: Re: FW: Big Boy "surges"
                          I sounds like the tach ring on the flywheel is loose or cracked and out of adjustment?

                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                          Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 10:45 AM
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [S-Trains] FW: Big Boy "surges"

                           



                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com]
                          On Behalf Of John Davis johndavis7993@... [S-Trains]
                          Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 10:38 AM
                          To: s-trains-owner@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Fwd: Big Boy "surges"

                          I am a member of this group but it will not accept posts from my iPhone. The
                          desktop computer associated with my access is 1300 miles away. Please
                          accommodate me on getting this posted. Thank you, John Davis Noblesville
                          IN.

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          Begin forwarded message:

                          > My AF Big Boy is in its second summer of operation. I
                          bought it new years
                          ago, and it was on display in the loft of our Wyoming summer cabin. Last
                          summer, I modified the tunnel to accommodate it and it has been a crowd
                          pleaser ever since. This summer, it has developed erratic speed at constant
                          throttle. I operate it conventional with a late model Lionel 80 watt
                          transformer. I had it set with Odyssey speed control "on" as the Manual
                          suggests, but it became unmanageable and I switched it off and it's better
                          but not as good as last summer. The track and wheels are clean, and it seems
                          to me that the fuzzy logic electronics that allow you to start it up with
                          smoke and chatter and then transition into movement with a bit more throttle
                          isn't playing nice with the powertrain. Any suggestions or coaching will be
                          appreciated. / John Davis Noblesville IN.
                          >
                          > Sent from
                          my iPhone
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81378 From: Bill Lane Date: 7/14/2019
                          Subject: SHS caboose wanted

                          I am looking for a SHS caboose. Having the scale wheels included is much preferred. Was there a version that was painted red without lettering? That would be the best choice if possible but otherwise what do you have?

                           

                          Thank You,
                          Bill Lane

                          Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                          See my finished models at:
                          http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Models.htm
                          Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                           

                          See my layout progress at:

                          http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

                          PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                          (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                          http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                          Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                          It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                          Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

                           
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81379 From: Batman Date: 7/15/2019
                          Subject: Re: SHS caboose wanted

                          Check E-bay. As of July 14,2019,  there was an S-Helper caboose available.


                          In a message dated 7/14/2019 9:09:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                           

                           

                          I am looking for a SHS caboose. Having the scale wheels included is much preferred. Was there a version that was painted red without lettering? That would be the best choice if possible but otherwise what do you have?

                           

                          Thank You,
                          Bill Lane

                          Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                          See my finished models at:
                          http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Models.htm
                          Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                           

                          See my layout progress at:

                          http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

                          PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                          (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                          http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                          Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                          It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                          Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81380 From: wyoaf Date: 7/22/2019
                          Subject: Big Boy Surges

                          I bought an AF Big Boy new, but have only run it for the past two summers.  It "lives" in the loft of our vacation cabin, and I run it conventional on a modern Lionel 80 watt transformer.  This summer, it has been difficult to achieve constant low to medium speed operation.  As recommended by the Manual, I had the Odyssey Speed Control "on", but it wouldn't transition smoothly from the start-up, with lights, smoke, & chatter to slow take off.  So. I turned off Odyssey and it is more manageable but not as good as last year.  It has clean track and wheels, but constant throttle operation is problematic, as it surges forward then will drop speed precipitously when a tiny bit of throttle is withdrawn.  Any advice or coaching will be appreciated.  Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN 
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81381 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/22/2019
                          Subject: Re: Big Boy Surges

                          John,

                           

                          I don’t know anything about your particular setup, but to troubleshoot and isolate the source of what you have described, the first thing to do is to separate problems in the power supply from those in the locomotive.  Connect a volt meter set to measure the potential going to the rails across the track connector, and then run the train.   If the potential remains constant while the speed keeps changing, then the problem is likely in the locomotive.  Something may be binding mechanically, there may be a loose electrical connection, etc.  If the potential across the tracks changes precipitously while the throttle is left alone or just slightly changed, this points more to a problem in the power supply.    

                           

                          Hope this helps,

                           

                          Jerry F.

                           

                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                          Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 10:31 AM
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Surges

                           

                           

                          I bought an AF Big Boy new, but have only run it for the past two summers.  It "lives" in the loft of our vacation cabin, and I run it conventional on a modern Lionel 80 watt transformer.  This summer, it has been difficult to achieve constant low to medium speed operation.  As recommended by the Manual, I had the Odyssey Speed Control "on", but it wouldn't transition smoothly from the start-up, with lights, smoke, & chatter to slow take off.  So. I turned off Odyssey and it is more manageable but not as good as last year.  It has clean track and wheels, but constant throttle operation is problematic, as it surges forward then will drop speed precipitously when a tiny bit of throttle is withdrawn.  Any advice or coaching will be appreciated.  Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN 
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81382 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 7/22/2019
                          Subject: Re: Big Boy Surges
                          I agree with Jerry. If you find no electrical; problems such as loose connections, broken wires or other electrical problems then your problem is mechanical. Start with the side rods. Make sure they are not binding or getting jammed in any way. Then check the pilot truck. trailing truck and tender wheels to make sure none of those are binding. Lastly, check your gearboxes and all internal gears and bearings/bushings for burrs or other signs of binding
                                   Bob Lampe
                                    Kalispell, MT
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81383 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 7/31/2019
                          Subject: Train Kite
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81384 From: daleminard Date: 8/5/2019
                          Subject: Looking for copies to borrow of the S/SN3 Modeling Guide Magazine

                          From 1990 to 2012, there was a magazine that was published under three (3) different names:  3/16 'S'cale Railroading, S/SN3 Modeling Guide, and 1-64 Modeling Guide.  I'm trying to collect copies of all three publications.  If anyone has any of the magazines I'm missing, I would appreciate it if I could borrow their copies to scan; I'd be more than willing to pay for postage, and will provide them with a complete set of scanned copies of all three magazines.  This is what I'm missing:


                          S/SN3 Modeling Guide


                          V 1 #1    Apr 93;  V 1 #2 Jul 93;  V 1 #CS Sep 93 (Conv Special);  V 1 #3    Oct 93

                          V 2 #1    Jan 94;  V 2 #2    Apr 94;  V 2 #3    Jul 94;  V 2 #4    Oct 94;  V 2 #5    Dec 94

                          V 3 #1    Feb 95;  V 3 #2    Apr 95;  V 3 #3    Jun 95;  V 3 #4    Aug 95;  V 3 #5    Oct 95; V 3 #6    Dec 95

                          V 4 #1    Feb 96; V 4 #3    Jun 96; V 4 #4    Aug 96

                          V 5 #1    Feb-Mar 97;  V 5 #4    Aug-Sep 97;  V 5 #5    Oct-Nov 97; V5 #6     Dec 97-Jan 98

                          V 6 #1    Feb-Mar 98; V 6 #2    Apr-May 98;  V 6 #3    Jun-Jul 98; V 6 #4    Aug-Sep 98; V 6 #5    Oct-Nov 98


                          Please contact me off line if you can help.


                          Thanks,


                          Dale Minard

                          Vista (San Diego County), California
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81385 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/7/2019
                          Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian

                          Yes, it’s true. November will be the final issue.

                          Don is retiring……………I’m sure that’s why we’re seeing all these special sales recently.

                          I’m kind of hoping White River might pick up the magazine and add it to their repertoire of RR mags.  I’m actually encouraging them to consider it.  Maybe others of you could do the same, if you’re so inclined.

                           

                          <<< A report on the Facebook that S-Gaugian will cease publication at the end of the year. Anyone else see anything on this?

                          >>>  

                           

                          Doug Peck
                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                          doug@...
                          www.portlines.com
                          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                           
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81386 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 8/7/2019
                          Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian
                          Just as I was going to get a subscribtion again
                           Sure wish him well and thanks for all he has done in the past. 


                          On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 4:47 pm, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains]
                          <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                           

                          Yes, it’s true. November will be the final issue.

                          Don is retiring……………I’m sure that’s why we’re seeing all these special sales recently.

                          I’m kind of hoping White River might pick up the magazine and add it to their repertoire of RR mags.  I’m actually encouraging them to consider it.  Maybe others of you could do the same, if you’re so inclined.

                           

                          <<< A report on the Facebook that S-Gaugian will cease publication at the end of the year. Anyone else see anything on this?

                          >>>  

                           

                          Doug Peck
                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                          doug@...
                          www.portlines.com
                          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                           
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81387 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/8/2019
                          Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian
                          I understand that for any remaining subscriptions beyond November, subscribers will get issues of CTT.
                          So....I  figure that equates to at least a year of CTT for each remaining single issue of SG in your subscription!  Right???



                          Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81388 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/8/2019
                          Subject: BIG BOY & TRACK?

                          Anyone have experience running the Lnl Big Boy on any of the available Flextracks (i.e, AM, SHS/MTH, or Am S-Gauge) ????

                          Issues? …………or OK ?

                           

                          Doug Peck
                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                          doug@...
                          www.portlines.com
                          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                           
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81389 From: Robert Graves Date: 8/8/2019
                          Subject: Re: BIG BOY & TRACK?
                          The San Diego S-Gaugers have had no problems running it on SHS flex track, but all of our curves have 35" radius. When we designed the layout (before the Big Boy was even a dream), we wanted to make sure that any big long locomotive ever built would run on it. So far, it's worked!

                          Bob Graves
                          TheGilbertGallery.org


                          On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 2:29:42 AM PDT, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                           

                          Anyone have experience running the Lnl Big Boy on any of the available Flextracks (i.e, AM, SHS/MTH, or Am S-Gauge) ????

                          Issues? …………or OK ?

                           

                          Doug Peck
                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                          doug@...
                          www.portlines.com
                          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                           
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81390 From: Larry Moore Date: 8/8/2019
                          Subject: Re: BIG BOY & TRACK?
                          Agree with Bob Graves, we had no trouble running them on SHS Flex track, and again a 35"-36" radius. We ran them on our module layout at train shows, our Piedmont "S" Gaugers club.
                          From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 11:57 AM
                          To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                          Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BIG BOY & TRACK?
                           
                           

                          The San Diego S-Gaugers have had no problems running it on SHS flex track, but all of our curves have 35" radius. When we designed the layout (before the Big Boy was even a dream), we wanted to make sure that any big long locomotive ever built would run on it. So far, it's worked!

                          Bob Graves
                          TheGilbertGallery.org


                          On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 2:29:42 AM PDT, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                           

                          Anyone have experience running the Lnl Big Boy on any of the available Flextracks (i.e, AM, SHS/MTH, or Am S-Gauge) ????

                          Issues? …………or OK ?

                           

                          Doug Peck
                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                          doug@...
                          www.portlines.com
                          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                           
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81391 From: Doug Peck Date: 8/8/2019
                          Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian

                          Kevin EuDaly, Publisher

                          White River Productions

                          PO Box 48

                          Bucklin, MO 64631

                           

                          I receive and advertise in their Model Railroad News, a magazine which I think is exceptional. Although most of the equipment reviewed is of course, not S scale, nearly every review includes significant prototype background information. There is also a full-page devoted to S-Scale ads, and there are occasional S reviews and frequent new product announcements.

                          If there is any publisher out there who might consider S-Gaugian, it may be them.  A long-shot, but who knows.

                          Doug Peck
                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                          doug@...
                          www.portlines.com
                          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                           

                          From: ben colley
                          Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 11:59 PM
                          To: Doug Peck <Doug@...>
                          Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S-Gaugian

                           

                          How do we contact White River ?  I looked at their web page, but wonder if perhaps you know a good point of contact?   I would be happy to voice my support for them taking it on!

                           

                          Ben

                           
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81392 From: snstrains Date: 8/8/2019
                          Subject: Re: BIG BOY & TRACK?
                          Run mine on AM track all the time. No problem even on the tightest radius ones.

                          Steve Blackburn
                          Boise, Id.
                          In a message dated 8/8/2019 3:29:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                           

                           

                          Anyone have experience running the Lnl Big Boy on any of the available Flextracks (i.e, AM, SHS/MTH, or Am S-Gauge) ????

                          Issues? …………or OK ?

                           

                          Doug Peck
                          Port Lines Hobby Supply
                          6 Storeybrooke Drive
                          Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                          doug@...
                          www.portlines.com
                          Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                          Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                          VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81393 From: rxman46321 Date: 8/11/2019
                          Subject: Blatant ad. - Turntable
                          Troops

                          I have a Bowser 22" turntable pit and deck for sale.

                          PM me off line
                          Rxman46321 at aol dot com

                          John Griffin
                          Group: S-Trains Message: 81394 From: EdSauers Date: 8/15/2019
                          Subject: For Sale SHS Southern RR 2-8-0 Hi-Rail
                          Attachments :
                            Group,
                             
                            I have a SHS Southern RR Hi-Rail 2-8-0 with DCC Sounds AF Compatible, Test Run Only. Original Box and paperwork. Runs Great
                             
                            Please see attached pictures and reply to me off list at edsauers@...   edsauers   at   gmail   dot   com
                             
                            Asking $450 plus shipping but feel free to make reasonable offers.
                             
                            Thanks
                             
                            Ed Sauers
                            Group: S-Trains Message: 81395 From: dockside98 Date: 8/15/2019
                            Subject: For Sale - SHS Southern RR Hi-Rail 2-8-0 with DCC Sounds AF Compatib
                            Attachments :

                               

                              Group,

                               

                              I have a SHS Southern RR Hi-Rail 2-8-0 with DCC Sounds AF Compatible, Test Run Only. Original Box and paperwork. Runs Great

                               

                              Please see attached pictures and reply to me off list at edsauers@...   edsauers   at   gmail   dot   com

                               

                              Asking $450 plus shipping but feel free to make reasonable offers.

                               

                              Thanks

                               

                              Ed Sauers
                              Group: S-Trains Message: 81396 From: dockside98 Date: 8/15/2019
                              Subject: American Models DC Hi-Rail FP7 Chassis for sale
                              Attachments :

                                Group,


                                I have a couple of AM FP7 DC  Hi-Rail FP7 Chassis for sale, these are the older chassis with the Sagami can motors, I have checked they out and they run good on my test track in DC. Pictures attached. Please contact me off list at edsauers@...   edsauers   at   gmail   dot   com.


                                Thanks


                                Ed Sauers
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81397 From: dockside98 Date: 8/15/2019
                                Subject: Re: For Sale - SHS Southern RR Hi-Rail 2-8-0 with DCC Sounds AF Comp
                                Sale Pending
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81398 From: rxman46321 Date: 8/17/2019
                                Subject: For Sale - Hi rail diesel wheelsets
                                Troops,

                                2 SHS diesel wheelsets, $30.00 set of 4, shipped

                                1 AM diesel wheelset, $30.00 set of 4, shipped

                                Off line please, rxman46321 at aol dot com

                                John Griffin
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81399 From: dockside98 Date: 8/22/2019
                                Subject: For Sale * AF Track 50 Curve Sections

                                Group,

                                I have 50 sections of curve, AF track for sale, $25 plus $20 shipping.

                                Pictures available upon request.

                                Please contact me off list at edsauers@...   edsauers at   gmail   dot   com

                                Thanks

                                Ed sauers

                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81400 From: dockside98 Date: 8/22/2019
                                Subject: For Sale * AM Diesel HI-Rail Wheelsets with "D" bearings

                                Group,

                                I have a used set of AM Diesel HI-Rail Wheelsets with "D" bearings, 8 axles with gears $30 plus shipping.

                                Please contact me off list at edsauers@...     edsauers at   gmail   dot   com

                                Picture available upon request.

                                Thanks

                                Ed Sauers

                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81401 From: thecitrusbelt Date: 8/25/2019
                                Subject: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?

                                Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?

                                 

                                Who among you operates Dead Rail equipment on your home layout, either exclusively or in conjunction with DC or DCC powered equipment?

                                 

                                If there are enough examples of Dead Rail railroads in Southern California I would like to organize a layout tour for early 2020. While garden railroads are welcome to participate I'm really interested in showcasing Dead Rail in O and smaller scales for those who might want to see this in person and ask questions.

                                 

                                Let me know if you are interested in participating. Contact me off this group at chiefbobbb AT verizon DOT net .

                                 

                                Bob Chaparro

                                Moderator

                                Model Railroads of Southern California

                                https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif

                                ++++

                                P.S. I've organized sixty layout tours (800-plus railroads) over the years and have a large list of persons who enjoy seeing layouts, so if you go to the effort of participating you will get visitors.
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81402 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/25/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
                                What in the world is dead rail equipment?
                                                                      Bob Lampe
                                                                      Kalispell, MT
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81403 From: herbw202 Date: 8/25/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
                                Bob,
                                Here is a link



                                Herb Wasserman
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81404 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 8/25/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?

                                Bob,

                                 

                                From the name, I suspect you will find them on their backs with the wheels straight up in the air and vultures circling overhead.  (Sorry – couldn’t resist.)

                                 

                                Jerry F.

                                 

                                From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2019 3:12 PM
                                To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?

                                 

                                 

                                What in the world is dead rail equipment?

                                                                      Bob Lampe

                                                                      Kalispell, MT
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81405 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 8/25/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
                                Trains run buy battery packs and remote control instead of powering the rails. 


                                On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 6:27 pm, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]
                                <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                 

                                What in the world is dead rail equipment?

                                                                      Bob Lampe
                                                                      Kalispell, MT
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81406 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/25/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
                                I have a set of articles on my web site about running trains using built-in battery power (what it is, how it works, etc.):

                                https://pmrr.org/Articles/index.htm#Battery_Power

                                I have been using this technology for almost 7 years now, and I'll never go back to track power.

                                - Peter.


                                On 08/25/2019 5:12 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                What in the world is dead rail equipment?
                                                                      Bob Lampe
                                                                      Kalispell, MT


                                -- 
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
My business site: http://fourthray.com/
*The* S-scale site: http://nasg.org/
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81407 From: sgaugian Date: 8/25/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
                                You might also want to check out NASG web site master Peter Vanvliet's web site on the subject http://pmrr.org/Articles/index.htm#Battery_Power
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81408 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/26/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
                                Hmmm guess I'm the old school type. I prefer my rails powered. When I first got into the hobby umpteen gazillion years ago. MRC was just getting started building power packs and a lot of guys were still powering their trains using car batteries and rheostats. man have we ever come a long way. But battery power? Well, I guess if RC aircraft can why not trains too?
                                  Bob Lampe
                                   Kalispell, MT
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81409 From: fredlubb Date: 8/26/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
                                Here is some of my deadrail S gauge:
                                It even does not need batteries!
                                Regards
                                Fred
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81410 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/26/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
                                Thanks, David, for mentioning my page. I guess our e-mails crossed in the "ether" last night.

                                Bob, if you are happy with what you have, wonderful. I think going all-battery or "dead-rail" is especially worthwhile to consider when you are building a new layout. The two main benefits I see are, no more stammering/stalling of engines, and, skipping all the wiring of the complex parts of the layout (turnout frogs, wyes, turntables, etc.).

                                When I switched to battery power, I had my existing (track work completed) switching layout, and I simply removed the Digitrax DCC system. However, a couple of years ago I tore that layout down and started my new one. I am building it with no wires to the layout at all. It is all hand-laid rail. One of the things I realized as I started the track work phase was that I no longer have to cut gaps in the rails at the frogs, for example. I can lay a full piece of 3-foot rail down, stretching as far as it needs to. And, another aside; I can run my engine on the track as it is being laid, to test it; even with metal tools and weights on the rails.

                                One thing to remember about battery-powered systems: it is not a whole-sale change over like switching to DCC is. You can convert one balky engine to battery power (an 0-6-0 for example), and keep your other engines using the "old" system. I was able to run my battery-powered engines on the Houston S Gaugers club layout, even though that layout was powered by the Digitrax system. I use the S-CAB system by Neil Stanton, and it allows for running on DC-, AC-, and DCC-powered layouts.

                                - Peter.



                                On 08/25/2019 9:59 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                Hmmm guess I'm the old school type. I prefer my rails powered. When I first got into the hobby umpteen gazillion years ago. MRC was just getting started building power packs and a lot of guys were still powering their trains using car batteries and rheostats. man have we ever come a long way. But battery power? Well, I guess if RC aircraft can why not trains too?
                                  Bob Lampe
                                   Kalispell, MT

                                -- 
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
My business site: http://fourthray.com/
*The* S-scale site: http://nasg.org/
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81411 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/26/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
                                Peter,
                                   I do see the advantages of battery power and I can also see some disadvantages. One advantage would be the elimination of the reverse loop and its wiring. Maybe not as drastic as a friend who converted to battery-powered boats but there is one disadvantage.  My friend had his boat..a A very expensive one I might add quite a distance from shore and the freshly charged and installed battery went dead. Granted that would not be a problem with model trains but batteries going dead suddenly is.  There are disadvantages and advantages of powered rail also. I may not especially care for a dead rail system just yet but I am not going to chastise others for their choice. Hay ya build model trains that's what matters.
                                   Bob Lampe
                                   Kalispell, MT
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81412 From: David Winslow (Dad) Date: 8/27/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?

                                Seems to me one would want at least some area of track hot to charge batteries as engines passed over it.  You would leave the engines at that area when not plying trains also.  Use AC so engines could change themselves in either direction. 

                                On 8/26/2019 10:15 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                 

                                Peter,

                                   I do see the advantages of battery power and I can also see some disadvantages. One advantage would be the elimination of the reverse loop and its wiring. Maybe not as drastic as a friend who converted to battery-powered boats but there is one disadvantage.  My friend had his boat..a A very expensive one I might add quite a distance from shore and the freshly charged and installed battery went dead. Granted that would not be a problem with model trains but batteries going dead suddenly is.  There are disadvantages and advantages of powered rail also. I may not especially care for a dead rail system just yet but I am not going to chastise others for their choice. Hay ya build model trains that's what matters.
                                   Bob Lampe
                                   Kalispell, MT
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81413 From: Ray Puls Date: 8/27/2019
                                Subject: Dead rail
                                I am not at this time ready to go to Dead Rail, we do have a few guys in S that are playing with it. I see the advantage, ridding yourselves of dead spots on a layout, one former club member wanting to demonstrate his DCC, as he tried to show the operation, was quite frustrated as his beautiful locomotive would move a short distance and need the assistance of the giant hand to get her going.  
                                So far my layout using AC Gilbert's original steel track and Legacy has been quite dependable, besides having run all the wiring and having operational reverse loops, I don't want to put that work on the side yet.
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81414 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 8/27/2019
                                Subject: Re: Who Among You Operates Dead Rail Equipment In So. Calif.?
                                Yes, the option to have some section of your layout be powered would be helpful. Maybe, the tracks in your staging yard. All you'd need is a simple 12V power supply hooked up to those tracks, and park your battery-powered engines onto those tracks at the end of the day/session. With S-CAB the charging is protected.

                                What I do is I temporarily hook up a 12volt power supply to a section of track and park my engine on there. When the charging is done, I remove the power supply. Mine isn't a basement-sized permanent layout, so I am looking for "portable" solutions as much as possible.

                                Bob, regarding your question about the battery suddenly dying, here are my thoughts. It does happen. The S-CAB system can recharge the battery from the rail (not all dead-rail systems can do that), so long as there is at least 6V on the track. So, on my home layout, where there is no power on the layout, I totally rely on the batteries. On the Houston S Gaugers club layout when I ran there, the S-CAB was picking up power from the Digitrax power, and so it extended the run-time dramatically. It still discharges slightly faster than it can recharge, so eventually you do run out of juice. However, the latest version of the S-CAB system (which I don't have), when the battery is empty, it will continue to draw power from the powered tracks. So, that wouldn't help me at home, but it would help me at the club's layout.

                                But, just to give you an idea on usage; my American Models FA-2, which has two 1,000mAh batteries in it, ran with no cars for over 6 hours on my home layout before I got tired of tracking it. At the club layout, where it was on "live" rails, but pulling about 15 cars, it would last about 8-1/2 hours. For a weekend show, I'd bring it back home on Saturday night, charge it overnight, and it would be ready to run again all day on Sunday. So, if you have a 2 or 3-hour operating session with friends, the engines will last that long, even on dead rail.

                                Your friend's story reminded me of when I was around 15. I was into R/C cars at the time. I ran one on our neighborhood street here in Houston. All of a sudden I noticed that the car wasn't responding to my controller's commands; it had gone out of range. But, the car was still flying down the street at full speed. I don't think I have ever run that fast in my entire life!!!

                                - Peter.


                                On 08/27/2019 7:04 AM, 'David Winslow (Dad)' davidwinslow@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                Seems to me one would want at least some area of track hot to charge batteries as engines passed over it.  You would leave the engines at that area when not plying trains also.  Use AC so engines could change themselves in either direction. 

                                On 8/26/2019 10:15 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                 

                                Peter,

                                   I do see the advantages of battery power and I can also see some disadvantages. One advantage would be the elimination of the reverse loop and its wiring. Maybe not as drastic as a friend who converted to battery-powered boats but there is one disadvantage.  My friend had his boat..a A very expensive one I might add quite a distance from shore and the freshly charged and installed battery went dead. Granted that would not be a problem with model trains but batteries going dead suddenly is.  There are disadvantages and advantages of powered rail also. I may not especially care for a dead rail system just yet but I am not going to chastise others for their choice. Hay ya build model trains that's what matters.
                                   Bob Lampe
                                   Kalispell, MT

                                -- 
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
My business site: http://fourthray.com/
*The* S-scale site: http://nasg.org/
                                Group: S-Trains Message: 81415 From: dphobbies Date: 8/29/2019
                                Subject: New Air, MU, Signal Hoses from Des Plaines Hobbies
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                                  For those of you that add details to your locomotives, we have a neat set of real rubber hoses for diesel locomotives that include Air Hoses, MU hoses and signal lines.  These were created for us by our friends at PBL and are quite nice.  They are now available on our web store www.desplaineshobbies.com

                                  The stock number is SSA126


                                  Ron

                                  Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81416 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 8/29/2019
                                  Subject: Re: New Air, MU, Signal Hoses from Des Plaines Hobbies
                                  Will each set do just one locomotive or will they do more than one?
                                                                                                                          Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                          Kalispell, MT
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81417 From: dphobbies Date: 8/30/2019
                                  Subject: Re: New Air, MU, Signal Hoses from Des Plaines Hobbies
                                  Yes, if the locomotive has a full set of hoses, it will do one locomotive.  There a a couple of extra trainline hoses as well.
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81418 From: allscalerails Date: 9/1/2019
                                  Subject: All Scale Rails Issue #23 2019

                                  All Scale Rails

                                  Issue #23

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                                  Included in this issue: 
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                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81419 From: dphobbies Date: 9/2/2019
                                  Subject: LABOR DAY FLASH SALE
                                  LABOR DAY SALE 
                                  WEB STORE only Flash Sale


                                  We are closed, but our web store isn't.

                                  Treat yourself to Labor Day savings before you fire up the grill. From 6:00 pm September 1st through midnight September 2nd most everything (except magazines and a few other things) is 25% off.  If it is on the web store, it is on sale.  If it is not on the web store, then it is not on sale.  Over 50,000 items are on the web store.

                                  The store is closed, so no calls. Sorry. Pretty neat huh?  The pickers will be pretty busy Tuesday morning.  International customers can email or fax their particulars, but only if it is done BY September 5th.  No exceptions. Remember, we are closed Labor Day so no calls or messages

                                  Orders will be shipped starting Tuesday. It may take a few days to get everything out. Local customers can pick up their order by specifying local pickup.
                                  No holds, layaways, credit for prior purchases, or crying if you missed out.

                                  Remember, web store only www.desplaineshobbies.com
                                  Des Plaines Hobbies
                                  1524 Lee Street
                                  Des Plaines, IL 60018

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                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81420 From: dockside98 Date: 9/5/2019
                                  Subject: Looking for a few items

                                  Group,

                                  I am looking for the following items;

                                  SHS B&O USRA Hoppers (no composite cars please)

                                  SHS Buffalo Creek and Gauley   Hopper cars

                                  S Scale America 10k gallon single dome black petroleum tank cars

                                      Here are car numbers I have, not interested in duplicate numbers

                                      UTL X  992, 1023, 1009, 1021

                                      FPL  X1016, X1009, X1023

                                      Pan Am X10813, X10818, X10816

                                      GATX 58106, 59495

                                  Uses American Models GP9 for Bashing project scale or Hi-Rail, must have good shell..paint not important.

                                  Please contact me off list if you can help with any of these items...... edsauers@...      edsauers   at   gmail   dot   com

                                  Thanks

                                  Ed Sauers

                                   




                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81421 From: Edward Davis Date: 9/6/2019
                                  Subject: Re: Looking for a few items
                                  I have a few streetlights up 4 sale.. two boxed pairs of the Lionel antique gooseneck streetlights [plastic, 1990 era]  and a Marx grey plastic side by side double streetlight actually closer to O scale, maybe somebody would like. All used but nothing broken.. $28 plus post for all.  Ed Davis Boise ID

                                  On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 8:19 PM edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                   

                                  Group,

                                  I am looking for the following items;

                                  SHS B&O USRA Hoppers (no composite cars please)

                                  SHS Buffalo Creek and Gauley   Hopper cars

                                  S Scale America 10k gallon single dome black petroleum tank cars

                                      Here are car numbers I have, not interested in duplicate numbers

                                      UTL X  992, 1023, 1009, 1021

                                      FPL  X1016, X1009, X1023

                                      Pan Am X10813, X10818, X10816

                                      GATX 58106, 59495

                                  Uses American Models GP9 for Bashing project scale or Hi-Rail, must have good shell..paint not important.

                                  Please contact me off list if you can help with any of these items....... edsauers@gmail..com      edsauers   at   gmail   dot   com

                                  Thanks

                                  Ed Sauers

                                   




                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81422 From: dockside98 Date: 9/7/2019
                                  Subject: For Sale Used original Soundtraxx Alco 827104 (Alco 244) and Soundtr

                                  Group,

                                  I have a used but working original Soundtraxx Alco 827104 (Alco 244) and Soundtraxx non-sound decoder MC2H104p9 decoder for sale.

                                  Asking $50 which included 1st class shipping, insurance is extra.

                                  Please contact me off-list at edsauers@...   edsauers   at   gmail   dot   com      if interested.

                                  Thanks

                                  Ed Sauers
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81423 From: attic02 Date: 9/12/2019
                                  Subject: BNSF 2020 CATALOG AND THEIR TRAIN LAYOUT.
                                  THE BNSF RAILROAD IS OFFERING THEIR 2020 CALENDAR FREE TO THEIR MEMBERS. 

                                  YOU CAN VIEW THEIR TRAIN LAYOUT AND THEN JOIN FOR FREE AND GET THEIR 2020 CATALOG FREE..

                                  ENJOY  RON PETERSEN

                                  Warren Buffett’s Berkyville: BNSF train layout brings big-time fun in small-scale way
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81424 From: Tony Cynor Date: 9/15/2019
                                  Subject: Re: BNSF 2020 CATALOG AND THEIR TRAIN LAYOUT.
                                  Page not found on website.

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                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81425 From: dockside98 Date: 9/15/2019
                                  Subject: Need help identifing sound board

                                  Group,


                                  Can anyone define what/who's board this is? when powering up sounds like a generic diesel idling.


                                  The only number on the board is the one on the back top left in the pic.


                                  Thanks


                                  Ed Sauers

                                  		   @@attachment@@
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81426 From: dockside98 Date: 9/15/2019
                                  Subject: Re: For Sale Used original Soundtraxx Alco 827104 (Alco 244) and Sou
                                  SOLD
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81427 From: dockside98 Date: 9/16/2019
                                  Subject: Looking for a AM F7B chassis

                                  Group,

                                  I am looking for a AM F7-B chassis, with or without trucks or motor.

                                  Please contact me off list at edsauers@...    edsauers   at   gmail    dot   com

                                  Thanks

                                  Ed Sauers
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81428 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/17/2019
                                  Subject: Ted Hamler is Missing
                                  Group,
                                  I received this from the NASG's Western VP...

                                  Ted Hamler, long time NASG member from Los Cruces, NM and contributer to
                                  the Dispatch and the S Gaugian has been missing since April 27, 2019. If
                                  anyone has information on Ted, please contact his wife, Judy: (575)
                                  647-1836 or the Los Cruces Police.

                                   - Peter (NASG webmaster)

                                  --
                                  Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
                                  Houston, Texas

                                  My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
                                  My business site: http://fourthray.com/
                                  *The* S-scale site: http://nasg.org/
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81429 From: danceswithwolves49 Date: 9/17/2019
                                  Subject: Re: Ted Hamler is Missing
                                  Peter,
                                      I just googled him and good lord he's been missing since April 26. As a former firefighter/first responder it will be a genuine miracle if he is found alive. I do pray he is, however.
                                                                  Bob Lampe
                                                                  Kalispell, MT
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81430 From: Peter Vanvliet Date: 9/17/2019
                                  Subject: Re: Ted Hamler is Missing
                                  I, too, hope that he is found soon. He has been a wonderful contributor to the NASG web site with regard to providing data and photos of American Flyer items. I learned a lot from him since I didn't grow up with AF. But, yeah, to have been missing for nearly 5 months is quite serious.

                                  - Peter.


                                  On 09/17/2019 5:14 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                  Peter,
                                      I just googled him and good lord he's been missing since April 26. As a former firefighter/first responder it will be a genuine miracle if he is found alive. I do pray he is, however.
                                                                  Bob Lampe
                                                                  Kalispell, MT

                                  -- 
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
My business site: http://fourthray.com/
*The* S-scale site: http://nasg.org/
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81431 From: Howin Date: 9/19/2019
                                  Subject: OPEN HOUSE - York Week at TTU Hanover
                                  OPEN HOUSE - York Week             

                                  WEDNESDAY - October 15, 2019

                                                                     STARTING AT 2:00 PM (around)
                                   
                                  TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED
                                   38 YORK ST. 
                                  HANOVER PA. 17331
                                  ( 25 minutes from York, PA FAIRGROUNDS )

                                  1-717-637-4717
                                   
                                   
                                  FOOD, DRINKS & PLENTY OF GOOD CONVERSATION
                                   
                                      Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St., Hanover PA. 17331, will be having an open house on Wednesday October 15, 2019.  This is the week of the York TCA, Meet.  Disregard the Thursday date in TCA Meet Guide.
                                       This fall's event will start at 2 PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer & Lionel trains and accessories.  Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer and Lionel items to show and tell about (please bring  in your interesting Flyer or Lionel items).  We will also have a large group of Flyer and Lionel operators and collectors visiting.  Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your American Flyer & Lionel friends to come along. There is plenty of that stuff here to choose from.

                                  DIRECTIONS:
                                  From the York Fairgrounds, take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Route 30 west.  Follow Route 30 west (for approximately 8 miles) until you come to the intersection of Rt.116 & Route 30.  Turn left onto Rt.116.  From route 116 & 30 you will travel approximately 20 miles where Rt. 116 will become York St. in the town of Hanover.  As you enter the town of Hanover, travel approximately 2 miles. The train shop will be on the right side of York St./116.  Look for the Railroad Flag hanging from the front of the store.
                                    
                                  POST & PRE-WAR LIONEL  ////  TRAINS & ACCESSORIES

                                  AMERICAN FLYER  ////  New & Used  TRAINS & ACCESSORIES

                                  MTH  ////  S & O Gauge TRAINS & ACCESSORIES

                                  AMERICAN MODELS, S-HELPER, K-LINE, DISCOUNT  TRAIN SETS
                                  THERE IS NO RETAIL PRICES IN THIS STORE !
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81432 From: hhisgauger Date: 9/22/2019
                                  Subject: S Helper Track or American Models???
                                  I have both S Helper Track and switches and a bunch of American Models track- which is the better option as I will constructing a new layout— thanks for your thoughts!
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81433 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/23/2019
                                  Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???

                                  I assume you are talking about FLEXtrack, because otherwise the decision simply comes down to whether you want sectional track with or without the simulated roadbed.

                                  With Flextrack, I am very partial to the SHS/MTH…..good quality, and MUCH easier to work with.

                                   

                                  Doug Peck
                                  Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                  6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                  Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                  doug@...
                                  www.portlines.com
                                  Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                                  Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                                  VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                   

                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 11:37 AM
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Track or American Models???

                                   

                                   

                                  I have both S Helper Track and switches and a bunch of American Models track- which is the better option as I will constructing a new layout— thanks for your thoughts!

                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81434 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 9/23/2019
                                  Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
                                  Isn't it also that SHS/MTH is nickel silver while AM is a brass alloy???
                                  Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)
                                  ps and the flextrack from AM is a slight bear to bend.

                                  On 9/23/2019 02:08 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                   

                                  I assume you are talking about FLEXtrack, because otherwise the decision simply comes down to whether you want sectional track with or without the simulated roadbed.

                                  With Flextrack, I am very partial to the SHS/MTH…..good quality, and MUCH easier to work with.

                                   

                                  Doug Peck
                                  Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                  6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                  Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                  doug@...
                                  www.portlines.com
                                  Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                                  Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                                  VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                   

                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 11:37 AM
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Track or American Models???

                                   

                                   

                                  I have both S Helper Track and switches and a bunch of American Models track- which is the better option as I will constructing a new layout— thanks for your thoughts!


                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81435 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/23/2019
                                  Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???

                                  AM now makes NiAg flextrack as well.

                                  But you are correct, the SHS/MTH flextrack is much easier to bend, and it snaps right back straight when released.

                                   

                                  Doug Peck
                                  Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                  6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                  Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                  doug@...
                                  www.portlines.com
                                  Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                                  Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                                  VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                   

                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 9:38 AM
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Helper Track or American Models???

                                   

                                   

                                  Isn't it also that SHS/MTH is nickel silver while AM is a brass alloy???
                                  Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)
                                  ps and the flextrack from AM is a slight bear to bend.

                                  On 9/23/2019 02:08 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                   

                                  I assume you are talking about FLEXtrack, because otherwise the decision simply comes down to whether you want sectional track with or without the simulated roadbed.

                                  With Flextrack, I am very partial to the SHS/MTH…..good quality, and MUCH easier to work with.

                                   

                                  Doug Peck
                                  Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                  6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                  Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                  doug@...
                                  www.portlines.com
                                  Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                                  Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                                  VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                   

                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 11:37 AM
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Track or American Models???

                                   

                                   

                                  I have both S Helper Track and switches and a bunch of American Models track- which is the better option as I will constructing a new layout— thanks for your thoughts!

                                   
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81436 From: Thomas Kaufman Date: 9/23/2019
                                  Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
                                  I guess you have to look at what you have the most of. I am not sure the two types of track are interchangeable. I know from experience, as I have used both on our club layout, that both products are engineered and perform well on our layout which is a display layout, that runs for 6 hours continuously both Saturday and Sunday on show dates. And both types of track have the capability to operate the action cars as well, if that is what you are going to do. I am also not sure if American Models still makes track. I believe MTH is still in current production so that is a consideration as well. And from an appearance standard, both types of track look better than standard American Flyer/Lionel/Flyer track options.. To keep the noise level down if using a plywood base cover it with homasote or a paper type wallboard. Just my two cents. 
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81437 From: Tom Date: 9/23/2019
                                  Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
                                  I have used both and SHS/MTH flextrack is definitely my preference.  It is nickel silver and easier to keep clean and it is significantly more flexible.  The AM rails are slightly larger too although they can be made to mate with SHS track with some care..

                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                  On Sep 23, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                   

                                  AM now makes NiAg flextrack as well.

                                  But you are correct, the SHS/MTH flextrack is much easier to bend, and it snaps right back straight when released.

                                   

                                  Doug Peck
                                  Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                  6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                  Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                  doug@...
                                  www.portlines.com
                                  Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                                  Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                                  VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                   

                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 9:38 AM
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Helper Track or American Models???

                                   

                                   

                                  Isn't it also that SHS/MTH is nickel silver while AM is a brass alloy???
                                  Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)
                                  ps and the flextrack from AM is a slight bear to bend.

                                  On 9/23/2019 02:08 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                   

                                  I assume you are talking about FLEXtrack, because otherwise the decision simply comes down to whether you want sectional track with or without the simulated roadbed.

                                  With Flextrack, I am very partial to the SHS/MTH…..good quality, and MUCH easier to work with.

                                   

                                  Doug Peck
                                  Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                  6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                  Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                  doug@...
                                  www.portlines.com
                                  Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                                  Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                                  VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                   

                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 11:37 AM
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Track or American Models???

                                   

                                   

                                  I have both S Helper Track and switches and a bunch of American Models track- which is the better option as I will constructing a new layout— thanks for your thoughts!

                                   
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81438 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 9/23/2019
                                  Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
                                  Nickle silver is a copper alloy, aka brass (also a copper alloy).
                                  Nickel silver, a range of alloys of copper, nickel, and zinc which are silvery in appearance but contain no silver. Its composition varies from 7 to 30 percent nickel, the alloy most widely used being 18 percent nickel silver (18 percent nickel, 62 percent copper, 20 percent zinc).

                                  ken clark
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81439 From: Stephen Terni Date: 9/24/2019
                                  Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
                                  Is SHS/MTH Flextrak compatible with Flyer locos and cars or with hi rail offerings from SHS, MTH or AM?
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81440 From: Doug Peck Date: 9/24/2019
                                  Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???

                                  Definitely…………..with the exception of the very late (60s era) Gilbert AF engines, and early Flyonel AF engines----which had particularly large flanges.  Everything else is fine.

                                   

                                  <<< Is SHS/MTH Flextrak compatible with Flyer locos and cars or with hi rail offerings from SHS, MTH or AM? >>>

                                  Doug Peck
                                  Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                  6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                  Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                  doug@...
                                  www.portlines..com
                                  Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                                  Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                                  VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                   
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81441 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 9/24/2019
                                  Subject: Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
                                  Yes, that was the whole point of designing it, to permit operation of AF equipment along with its own scale locomotives and cars (also designed to be 
                                  interoperable with AF)

                                  Jace Kahn
                                  General Manager
                                  Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.


                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Stephen Terni stephen.terni@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:17 AM
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper Track or American Models???
                                   
                                   

                                  Is SHS/MTH Flextrak compatible with Flyer locos and cars or with hi rail offerings from SHS, MTH or AM?

                                  Thanks, Steve Terni


                                  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81443 From: Howin Date: 10/1/2019
                                  Subject: OPEN HOUSE - York Week Date Corrected WEDNESDAY - October 16, 2019
                                  OPEN HOUSE - York Week             

                                  WEDNESDAY - October 16, 2019

                                                                     STARTING AT 2:00 PM (around)
                                   
                                  TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED
                                   38 YORK ST. 
                                  HANOVER PA. 17331
                                  ( 25 minutes from York, PA FAIRGROUNDS )

                                  1-717-637-4717
                                   
                                   
                                  FOOD, DRINKS & PLENTY OF GOOD CONVERSATION
                                   
                                      Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St., Hanover PA. 17331, will be having an open house on Wednesday October 15, 2019.  This is the week of the York TCA, Meet.  Disregard the Thursday date in TCA Meet Guide.
                                       This fall's event will start at 2 PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer & Lionel trains and accessories.  Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer and Lionel items to show and tell about (please bring  in your interesting Flyer or Lionel items).  We will also have a large group of Flyer and Lionel operators and collectors visiting.  Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your American Flyer & Lionel friends to come along. There is plenty of that stuff here to choose from.

                                  DIRECTIONS:
                                  From the York Fairgrounds, take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Route 30 west.  Follow Route 30 west (for approximately 8 miles) until you come to the intersection of Rt.116 & Route 30.  Turn left onto Rt.116.  From route 116 & 30 you will travel approximately 20 miles where Rt. 116 will become York St. in the town of Hanover.  As you enter the town of Hanover, travel approximately 2 miles. The train shop will be on the right side of York St./116.  Look for the Railroad Flag hanging from the front of the store.
                                    
                                  POST & PRE-WAR LIONEL  ////  TRAINS & ACCESSORIES

                                  AMERICAN FLYER  ////  New & Used  TRAINS & ACCESSORIES

                                  MTH  ////  S & O Gauge TRAINS & ACCESSORIES

                                  AMERICAN MODELS, S-HELPER, K-LINE, DISCOUNT  TRAIN SETS
                                  THERE IS NO RETAIL PRICES IN THIS STORE !
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81444 From: ejenterp@pacbell.net Date: 10/5/2019
                                  Subject: Loss of Ron Sebastion
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81445 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/12/2019
                                  Subject: S Scale layout for sale.

                                  This is a link to a S Scale layout for sale built by the Lehigh Valley S Gaugers. Contact John Peters at the bottom of the page with your questions or interest.

                                   

                                  http://www.lanestrains.com/Layout_For_Sale.htm

                                   

                                  Thank You,
                                  Bill Lane

                                  Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                                  See my finished models at:
                                  http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Models.htm
                                  Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                   

                                  See my layout progress at:

                                  http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

                                  PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                  (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                  http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                  Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                  It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                                  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

                                   
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81446 From: Edward Musil Date: 10/16/2019
                                  Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate
                                  Hi George,
                                  I purchased 4 of your boards last year and I have recently built them.  There are several guys on the Facebook trains group that have seen how well they work from my experience and would like to order boards for themselves.  How can I get more boards? 
                                  Thanks!
                                  Ed Musil

                                  On Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 02:47:36 PM MDT, George Cohn gwcohn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                   

                                  This is my new video of the American Flyer Crossing Gate Control.

                                  https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_referrer=watch&video_id=5p-5GDG8pxI

                                  I got the new boards from easyeda.com / JLCPCD.com

                                  The new board also controls a crossing gate from the same 696 track trip.

                                  You can go to the following website to order boards if you wish. I'm
                                  not going to be making the boards commercially but since I made the
                                  project public, anyone including the usual vendors are welcome to make
                                  it as a commercial product. https://easyeda.com/gwcohn/af-759-danger-bell

                                  Since I only needed a few for my layout, there are some left over. I
                                  will be building these up as completed and tested boards and if you are
                                  interested, pm me at gwcohn@... and let me know. I will make the
                                  leftovers available for $20 plus about $2 shipping first class mail,
                                  shipping to the USA only.

                                  George Cohn
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81447 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/16/2019
                                  Subject: Changes to Yahoo Groups

                                  Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:05:56 PDT
                                  Note from Yahoo:
                                  Yahoo has announced that they are not going to allow users to upload content the the groups.  Beginning October 21, 2019.  We have until December 14, 2019 to save ALL our posts, photos, etc. before Yahoo removes them.  Read below.  

                                  Understand what's changing in Yahoo Groups

                                  Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded.

                                  What features will go away?

                                  • Files
                                  • Polls
                                  • Links
                                  • Photos
                                  • Folders
                                  • Calendar
                                  • Database
                                  • Attachments
                                  • Conversations
                                  • Email Updates
                                  • Message Digest
                                  • Message History

                                  What will happen to the site?

                                  The Yahoo Groups site will continue to exist, however, all public groups will be made private or restricted. Any new group members will need to request an invite or be invited by an admin. Admins will still be able to manage various group settings, though some functionality will be limited.

                                  What will happen on October 21st?

                                  On October 21st, you will no longer be able to upload any content to the site. To share info with members of your groups, you'll continue to be able to do so via email.

                                  How can I keep my Yahoo Groups content?

                                  Will I be able to use Yahoo Groups going forward?

                                  You'll still be able to communicate with your groups via email and search for private groups on the site. In addition, admins will continue to have limited access to group settings and administration tools.
                                  That's about it, group.  I suggest if you want to save any files or photos,  you do that now.
                                  ken clark
                                  www.shastasprings.com
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81448 From: George Cohn Date: 10/16/2019
                                  Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate
                                  On 10/16/2019 1:34 PM, George Cohn wrote:
                                  > On 10/16/2019 8:40 AM, Edward Musil barnabusxx@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                  >> Hi George,
                                  >> I purchased 4 of your boards last year and I have recently built them.
                                  >> There are several guys on the Facebook trains group that have seen how
                                  >> well they work from my experience and would like to order boards for
                                  >> themselves.  How can I get more boards?
                                  >> Thanks!
                                  >> Ed Musil
                                  >
                                  > I believe you can go to https://easyeda.com/gwcohn/af-759-danger-bell
                                  > and order boards and even the parts.
                                  >
                                  > I don't have any more boards or kits.
                                  >
                                  > I believe the rotating beacon is also available.
                                  > https://easyeda.com/gwcohn/AF-Rotating-Beacon
                                  >
                                  > I haven't posted the instructions or code for the beacon but if you are
                                  > interested, I will.
                                  >
                                  > George Cohn

                                  If you can't figure out how to order, I just ordered 15 circuit boards.
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81449 From: George Cohn Date: 10/16/2019
                                  Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate
                                  On 10/16/2019 8:40 AM, Edward Musil barnabusxx@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                  > Hi George,
                                  > I purchased 4 of your boards last year and I have recently built them.
                                  > There are several guys on the Facebook trains group that have seen how
                                  > well they work from my experience and would like to order boards for
                                  > themselves.  How can I get more boards?
                                  > Thanks!
                                  > Ed Musil

                                  I believe you can go to https://easyeda.com/gwcohn/af-759-danger-bell
                                  and order boards and even the parts.

                                  I don't have any more boards or kits.

                                  I believe the rotating beacon is also available.
                                  https://easyeda.com/gwcohn/AF-Rotating-Beacon

                                  I haven't posted the instructions or code for the beacon but if you are
                                  interested, I will.

                                  George Cohn
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81450 From: John Degnan Date: 10/17/2019
                                  Subject: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                  For those who haven't heard... (and I quote) :

                                  "Yahoo announced that all Yahoo Groups will be shut down on Monday, October 21st, and all Groups content will be removed on December 14th.  After October 21st, users will no longer be able to upload new content to groups, but it will still remain on the network."

                                  So all of our beloved modeling and railfanning groups are all doomed no matter what.

                                  I will, therefore, be immediately closing my S Scale Progressive group.


                                  John Degnan
                                  Scaler164@...
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81451 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
                                  This is why I feel being a member of this group is a better option in the long run


                                  With this group you never run into such issues

                                  Just my opinion

                                  Rich


                                  On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 1:36 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]
                                  <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                   


                                  Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:05:56 PDT
                                  Note from Yahoo:
                                  Yahoo has announced that they are not going to allow users to upload content the the groups.  Beginning October 21, 2019.  We have until December 14, 2019 to save ALL our posts, photos, etc. before Yahoo removes them.  Read below.  

                                  Understand what's changing in Yahoo Groups

                                  Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded.

                                  What features will go away?

                                  • Files
                                  • Polls
                                  • Links
                                  • Photos
                                  • Folders
                                  • Calendar
                                  • Database
                                  • Attachments
                                  • Conversations
                                  • Email Updates
                                  • Message Digest
                                  • Message History

                                  What will happen to the site?

                                  The Yahoo Groups site will continue to exist, however, all public groups will be made private or restricted. Any new group members will need to request an invite or be invited by an admin. Admins will still be able to manage various group settings, though some functionality will be limited.

                                  What will happen on October 21st?

                                  On October 21st, you will no longer be able to upload any content to the site. To share info with members of your groups, you'll continue to be able to do so via email.

                                  How can I keep my Yahoo Groups content?

                                  Will I be able to use Yahoo Groups going forward?

                                  You'll still be able to communicate with your groups via email and search for private groups on the site. In addition, admins will continue to have limited access to group settings and administration tools.
                                  That's about it, group.  I suggest if you want to save any files or photos,  you do that now.
                                  ken clark
                                  www.shastasprings.com
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81452 From: Gerald Feldman Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                  If you are a group owner, you can move it to groups.io.  Apparently it does it pretty seamlessly and gives you the first GB of storage free.  I belong to a couple of other groups that have moved to groups.io and it seems to have worked very well as everything was preserved.

                                   

                                  Jerry F.

                                   

                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                  Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 2:59 AM
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                   

                                   

                                  For those who haven't heard... (and I quote) :

                                   

                                  "Yahoo announced that all Yahoo Groups will be shut down on Monday, October 21st, and all Groups content will be removed on December 14th.  After October 21st, users will no longer be able to upload new content to groups, but it will still remain on the network."



                                  So all of our beloved modeling and railfanning groups are all doomed no matter what.

                                   

                                  I will, therefore, be immediately closing my S Scale Progressive group.

                                   

                                   

                                  John Degnan

                                   
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81453 From: Tom Hawley Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: John Degnan Scaler164@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  . . . . . . . . . . . . .So all of our beloved modeling and railfanning groups are all doomed no matter what.. . . . . . . .
                                  > > > > > > > > >
                                  Nicht so schlim, Mensch.  The S scale yahoo group and the Modern Freight Car List yahoo group, among many others,  have successfully transitioned to IO groups, several months ago.   The beat goes on.
                                   
                                  Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan
                                   
                                   
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81454 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
                                  Hi Rich:
                                  Is there a place where one can apply to be a member of this group (unless I am already a member???)?  I am interested in AF (have some I got in 1948 as a Christmas present when I was 10, and lots that I purchased since then).  On the other hand, if the American Flyer Trains is a yahoo group, won't the same problems apply??
                                  regards,
                                  Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)


                                  On 10/16/2019 07:44 PM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                   

                                  This is why I feel being a member of this group is a better option in the long run



                                  With this group you never run into such issues

                                  Just my opinion

                                  Rich


                                  On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 1:36 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]
                                   


                                  Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:05:56 PDT
                                  Note from Yahoo:
                                  Yahoo has announced that they are not going to allow users to upload content the the groups.  Beginning October 21, 2019.  We have until December 14, 2019 to save ALL our posts, photos, etc. before Yahoo removes them.  Read below.  

                                  Understand what's changing in Yahoo Groups

                                  Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded.

                                  What features will go away?

                                  • Files
                                  • Polls
                                  • Links
                                  • Photos
                                  • Folders
                                  • Calendar
                                  • Database
                                  • Attachments
                                  • Conversations
                                  • Email Updates
                                  • Message Digest
                                  • Message History

                                  What will happen to the site?

                                  The Yahoo Groups site will continue to exist, however, all public groups will be made private or restricted. Any new group members will need to request an invite or be invited by an admin. Admins will still be able to manage various group settings, though some functionality will be limited.

                                  What will happen on October 21st?

                                  On October 21st, you will no longer be able to upload any content to the site. To share info with members of your groups, you'll continue to be able to do so via email.

                                  How can I keep my Yahoo Groups content?

                                  Will I be able to use Yahoo Groups going forward?

                                  You'll still be able to communicate with your groups via email and search for private groups on the site. In addition, admins will continue to have limited access to group settings and administration tools.
                                  That's about it, group.  I suggest if you want to save any files or photos,  you do that now.
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81455 From: poniaj Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                  Too bad.  It was a nice run.  So what is the url for the .io replacement for this group?  Or has nobody formed one yet.  The others I belong to work nicely. 

                                  Jerry P
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81456 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                  All,

                                  This has been coming for over two years, when a SoCal modeler who organizes layout tours notified members of the lists he had owned and joined that this day was coming.
                                  At that time I created new lists of the same name on groups.io.  Members of my lists did not want to move, even as YG list support failed and grew worse.  Finally in January 2018
                                  I moved the list, eight members quit in protest, 1700 stayed and we have had a very stable list ever since.  During the transfer I was able to downsize the images to full height (1000 lines)
                                  on my 32" monitor and save enough image storage to qualify for the free list (image storage under 1 GB).  Premium lists ($110 annual, or $10 month) have 10GB image storage.  I transferred
                                  seventeen lists since, including S Scale which had 3+GB image storage, to a free list by limiting image size to 1048 lines high, saving 80% of image storage. 

                                   The same transfer to groups.io was considered for S Trains but was rejected.  
                                  My assistance offer had created an internal ownership conflict; my intention was only to help a list that I had joined years earlier.

                                  This May groups.io ended free file transfers.  Only premium lists get the Easy Group Transfer option (which worked flawlessly on seventeen groups I transferred).  After the end of a one year 
                                  Premium subscription the list can change to a free list, but image storage has to be under 1 GB.  Fortunately15 of the 19 railroad lists I have joined moved to groups.io before the fee increase for free lists.
                                  The remaining lists now have a problem.  I am helping one of them move right now.  Two others banned me last year for suggesting the move.  One owner who accused me of trying to steal his list by transferring
                                  his list to groups.io has given up his list ownership on YG.

                                  Right now it will cost $110 to move S Trains.  If the maximum image size is not reduced prior to transfer, this will be an annual fee.  I estimated the new max image size would have reduced image storage to 600MB,
                                  same as occurred with S Scale.

                                  If you do not want to save the message and image archives, it is still free to create a new list in groups.io and start anew.  You just download the member list from YG and use the groups.io bulk member invite feature.
                                  Members can then upload images as needed.  This is the best option if the $110 is too much of a fee.

                                  ken clark

                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: 'Gerald Feldman' gfeldman2904@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Fri, Oct 18, 2019 5:28 am
                                  Subject: RE: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                   
                                  If you are a group owner, you can move it to groups.io.  Apparently it does it pretty seamlessly and gives you the first GB of storage free.  I belong to a couple of other groups that have moved to groups.io and it seems to have worked very well as everything was preserved..
                                   
                                  Jerry F.
                                   
                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                  Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 2:59 AM
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                   
                                   
                                  For those who haven't heard... (and I quote) :
                                   
                                  "Yahoo announced that all Yahoo Groups will be shut down on Monday, October 21st, and all Groups content will be removed on December 14th.  After October 21st, users will no longer be able to upload new content to groups, but it will still remain on the network."


                                  So all of our beloved modeling and railfanning groups are all doomed no matter what.
                                   
                                  I will, therefore, be immediately closing my S Scale Progressive group.
                                   
                                   
                                  John Degnan
                                   
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81457 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
                                  https://m.facebook.com/groups/11332432410

                                  Is the link you use to join, of course you need to be on Facebook with your own personal account to join


                                  On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 9:56 AM, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains]
                                  <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                   

                                  Hi Rich:
                                  Is there a place where one can apply to be a member of this group (unless I am already a member???)?  I am interested in AF (have some I got in 1948 as a Christmas present when I was 10, and lots that I purchased since then).  On the other hand, if the American Flyer Trains is a yahoo group, won't the same problems apply??
                                  regards,
                                  Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)


                                  On 10/16/2019 07:44 PM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                   

                                  This is why I feel being a member of this group is a better option in the long run



                                  With this group you never run into such issues

                                  Just my opinion

                                  Rich


                                  On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 1:36 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]
                                   


                                  Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:05:56 PDT
                                  Note from Yahoo:
                                  Yahoo has announced that they are not going to allow users to upload content the the groups.  Beginning October 21, 2019.  We have until December 14, 2019 to save ALL our posts, photos, etc. before Yahoo removes them.  Read below.  

                                  Understand what's changing in Yahoo Groups

                                  Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 21, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded.

                                  What features will go away?

                                  • Files
                                  • Polls
                                  • Links
                                  • Photos
                                  • Folders
                                  • Calendar
                                  • Database
                                  • Attachments
                                  • Conversations
                                  • Email Updates
                                  • Message Digest
                                  • Message History

                                  What will happen to the site?

                                  The Yahoo Groups site will continue to exist, however, all public groups will be made private or restricted. Any new group members will need to request an invite or be invited by an admin. Admins will still be able to manage various group settings, though some functionality will be limited.

                                  What will happen on October 21st?

                                  On October 21st, you will no longer be able to upload any content to the site. To share info with members of your groups, you'll continue to be able to do so via email.

                                  How can I keep my Yahoo Groups content?

                                  Will I be able to use Yahoo Groups going forward?

                                  You'll still be able to communicate with your groups via email and search for private groups on the site. In addition, admins will continue to have limited access to group settings and administration tools.
                                  That's about it, group.  I suggest if you want to save any files or photos,  you do that now.
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81458 From: Stan Stokrocki Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                  Apparently some features will continue to function, though who knows for how long.         https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html  

                                  Stan Stokrocki
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81459 From: sp4149 Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                  There is a groups.io S-Trains list created March 2018.  This seemed to be in anticipation of a move that was aborted.  I joined the new list then, there are about 100 members.  I am not the list owner or a moderator for the list.  I do not know the current list owner.

                                  ken clark
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81460 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                  Jerry,
                                   The S-Trains list on Groups.io was created on 03/07/18 when I joined.  It has 98 members, I am not the owner/moderator. It was created when the move to groups.io 
                                  was first considered.  I do not know who the current owner is.

                                  ken clark


                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Fri, Oct 18, 2019 10:44 am
                                  Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                   
                                  Too bad.  It was a nice run.  So what is the url for the .io replacement for this group?  Or has nobody formed one yet.  The others I belong to work nicely.. 

                                  Jerry P
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81461 From: attic02 Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                  What is the url for the location where the group moved to?  Thanks. Ron Petersen



                                  Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

                                  -------- Original message --------
                                  From: "Stan Stokrocki sscalerr@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Date: 10/18/19 5:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: RE: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                   

                                  Apparently some features will continue to function, though who knows for how long.         https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html  

                                  Stan Stokrocki
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81462 From: poniaj Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
                                  Richard,

                                  My nieces and nephews have been trying to get me to go on FaceJunk, but that ain't happening.  I don't want to join any more sights that sap my time.  This one was a great way to get to know and meet other S guys.  The .io one for the S-scale and S-Trains is just fine.  I was wondering if I really need another one.  This one was a great one for all aspects of S and I'm sad to see it go.  Maybe that's my trouble.  I like all flavors of S.

                                  Jerry
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81463 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                  The end has been moved back a week to Oct 28th.
                                  If you go to your YG list homepage, the banner at the top has been updated.

                                  ken clark


                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: attic02 attic02@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Fri, Oct 18, 2019 7:43 pm
                                  Subject: RE: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                   
                                  What is the url for the location where the group moved to?  Thanks. Ron Petersen



                                  Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

                                  -------- Original message --------
                                  From: "Stan Stokrocki sscalerr@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Date: 10/18/19 5:38 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: RE: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                   
                                  Apparently some features will continue to function, though who knows for how long.         https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html  

                                  Stan Stokrocki
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81464 From: johntech Date: 10/18/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                  https://groups.io/g/S-Trains/topics

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                  Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 9:04 PM
                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: RE: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                   

                                   

                                  What is the url for the location where the group moved to?  Thanks. Ron Petersen

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

                                   

                                  -------- Original message --------

                                  From: "Stan Stokrocki sscalerr@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                                  Date: 10/18/19 5:38 PM (GMT-06:00)

                                  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

                                  Subject: RE: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                   

                                   

                                  Apparently some features will continue to function, though who knows for how long.         https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html  

                                   

                                  Stan Stokrocki


                                  Virus-free. www.avast.com
                                  Group: S-Trains Message: 81465 From: Rick Date: 10/19/2019
                                  Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                  Attachments :

                                    Thank you so much.

                                     

                                    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 8:28 PM
                                    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: RE: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                     

                                     

                                    https://groups.io/g/S-Trains/topics

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                    Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 9:04 PM
                                    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: RE: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                     

                                     

                                    What is the url for the location where the group moved to?  Thanks. Ron Petersen

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

                                     

                                    -------- Original message --------

                                    From: "Stan Stokrocki sscalerr@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

                                    Date: 10/18/19 5:38 PM (GMT-06:00)

                                    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

                                    Subject: RE: [S-Trains] OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                     

                                     

                                    Apparently some features will continue to function, though who knows for how long.         https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html  

                                     

                                    Stan Stokrocki

                                     

                                    Image removed by sender.

                                    Virus-free. www.avast.com

                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81466 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 10/19/2019
                                    Subject: Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!
                                    I thought that halfway through the transfer, it was stopped; that's why there are only 98 members on the S-trainsGroup.io ???  One didn't know if one's membership had been transferred or not??  In any event, looks like we should join the .io one if we aren't already a member.  Assume it will tell us if we try to join and are already a member.
                                    regards,
                                    Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                    On 10/18/2019 08:04 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                     

                                    Jerry,
                                     The S-Trains list on Groups.io was created on 03/07/18 when I joined.  It has 98 members, I am not the owner/moderator. It was created when the move to groups.io 
                                    was first considered.  I do not know who the current owner is.

                                    ken clark


                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                    To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Fri, Oct 18, 2019 10:44 am
                                    Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OCTOBER 21st - THE END for ALL Yahoo Groups!!!

                                     
                                    Too bad.  It was a nice run.  So what is the url for the .io replacement for this group?  Or has nobody formed one yet.  The others I belong to work nicely.. 

                                    Jerry P
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81467 From: Robert Lampe Date: 10/19/2019
                                    Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
                                    Some time ago several of the groups I belonged to on yahoo moved over to groups.io. The transition was smooth and all I really had to do was confirm my email address. OI also am a member of a really good facebook site and am also a member of the S scale SIG forum. You might wish to reconsider as there is a lot of camaraderie for us S scalers.
                                                                                                                                                     Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                     Kalispell, MT
                                     
                                    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 6:52 PM
                                    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Changes to Yahoo Groups
                                     
                                     

                                    Richard,

                                    My nieces and nephews have been trying to get me to go on FaceJunk, but that ain't happening.  I don't want to join any more sights that sap my time.  This one was a great way to get to know and meet other S guys.  The .io one for the S-scale and S-Trains is just fine.  I was wondering if I really need another one.  This one was a great one for all aspects of S and I'm sad to see it go.  Maybe that's my trouble.  I like all flavors of S.

                                    Jerry
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81468 From: Edward Davis Date: 10/20/2019
                                    Subject: Re: Changes to Yahoo Groups
                                    the other group I belong to, New York City Transit Modeler's Group moved to io some time ago after ongoing issues with Yahoo. And so far working fine and no regrets. Ed

                                    On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:04 PM Robert Lampe danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                     

                                    Some time ago several of the groups I belonged to on yahoo moved over to groups.io. The transition was smooth and all I really had to do was confirm my email address. OI also am a member of a really good facebook site and am also a member of the S scale SIG forum. You might wish to reconsider as there is a lot of camaraderie for us S scalers.
                                                                                                                                                     Bob Lampe
                                                                                                                                                     Kalispell, MT
                                     
                                    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 6:52 PM
                                    To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Changes to Yahoo Groups
                                     
                                     

                                    Richard,

                                    My nieces and nephews have been trying to get me to go on FaceJunk, but that ain't happening.  I don't want to join any more sights that sap my time.  This one was a great way to get to know and meet other S guys.  The .io one for the S-scale and S-Trains is just fine.  I was wondering if I really need another one.  This one was a great one for all aspects of S and I'm sad to see it go.  Maybe that's my trouble.  I like all flavors of S.

                                    Jerry
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81469 From: CHARLES HANCOCK Date: 10/23/2019
                                    Subject: New group
                                    Is there a new group I can join up with?  I used to be apart of  s-trains@yahoogroups.com.

                                    Thank you in advance.
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81470 From: Bill Lane Date: 10/23/2019
                                    Subject: Changes to Yahoo Groups

                                    We moved S Scale to I/O maybe a year ago. It is JUST like Yahoo with a few things that are better. I am surprised S Trains is still on Yahoo.

                                     

                                    You have NO choice. This is the eviction notice. Your 20 year free ride is over.

                                     

                                    Thank You,
                                    Bill Lane

                                    Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

                                    See my finished models at:
                                    http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Models.htm
                                    Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

                                     

                                    See my layout progress at:

                                    http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

                                    PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
                                    (Trading is MUCH preferred)
                                    http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls 

                                    Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
                                    It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com 
                                    Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

                                     
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81471 From: Edward Davis Date: 10/24/2019
                                    Subject: Re: New group
                                    anyone know of any Lionel tinplate groups similar to this one..  I have a dual operation with a Lionel system and a FLYER  S system on the same tables.. thanx, Ed Davis Boise Idaho

                                    On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:47 PM CHARLES HANCOCK charles_hancock@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                     

                                    Is there a new group I can join up with?  I used to be apart of  s-trains@yahoogroups.com.

                                    Thank you in advance.

                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81472 From: Richard Falzini Date: 10/24/2019
                                    Subject: Re: New group
                                    Try American Flyer trains on Facebook


                                    On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 12:47 AM, CHARLES HANCOCK charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]
                                    <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                     

                                    Is there a new group I can join up with?  I used to be apart of  s-trains@yahoogroups.com.

                                    Thank you in advance.
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81473 From: race944t Date: 10/24/2019
                                    Subject: New Group e-mail summary

                                    I have been a member of .io for a while.  One of the things I liked about Yahoo was the ability to get the digest.  I seem to be getting each post separately from .io.  Does anyone know if .io has a digest function like Yahoo and how to sign up for it so I don’t get so many individual e-mails?

                                     

                                    Thanks,

                                     

                                    “Banker” Bill Clark
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81474 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/24/2019
                                    Subject: Re: New group

                                    There is a groups.io group by this same name and with, I believe, the same moderators.  Some of the recent activity we have had has been on that group.   Join S-trains@.... It doesn't have any of the messages or photos or files from this group, so you need to copy that using PGOffline or some other method if you want access to that.

                                    Dale

                                    On 10/23/2019 9:59 PM, Edward Davis bigedirt5543@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                     
                                    anyone know of any Lionel tinplate groups similar to this one..  I have a dual operation with a Lionel system and a FLYER  S system on the same tables.. thanx, Ed Davis Boise Idaho

                                    On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:47 PM CHARLES HANCOCK charles_hancock@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                     

                                    Is there a new group I can join up with?  I used to be apart of  s-trains@yahoogroups.com.

                                    Thank you in advance.

                                    Virus-free. www.avg.com
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81475 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/24/2019
                                    Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary

                                    Bill,

                                    After you log into groups.io, select the group and go to the "Subscription" option at the top of the list at the right.   You will be presented with all the delivery options.   They offer digests in both html and plain formatting which send up to 12 messages at a time, but I think you get the digest at the end of the day if it hasn't accumulated 12 messages.   You would get two messages if there were 12-24 messages in a day.   They also offer a summary, which takes all the messages of the previous day and sends them in the morning.  It sounds like that might be what you want.

                                    Dale

                                    On 10/24/2019 6:59 AM, 'race944t' race944t@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                     

                                    I have been a member of .io for a while.  One of the things I liked about Yahoo was the ability to get the digest.  I seem to be getting each post separately from .io.  Does anyone know if .io has a digest function like Yahoo and how to sign up for it so I don’t get so many individual e-mails?

                                     

                                    Thanks,

                                     

                                    “Banker” Bill Clark


                                    Virus-free. www.avg.com
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81476 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 10/24/2019
                                    Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary
                                    Banker Bill,
                                       Groups.io has a couple of Digest versions available.  You just change your subscription.
                                    I suggest you join groups.io as well.  From the groups.io website you can manage all your GIO lists,
                                    subscriptions, read messages without having to leave the web site.


                                    Click on REGISTRATION

                                    ken clark


                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: 'race944t' race944t@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                    To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2019 8:44 am
                                    Subject: [S-Trains] New Group e-mail summary

                                     
                                    I have been a member of .io for a while.  One of the things I liked about Yahoo was the ability to get the digest.  I seem to be getting each post separately from .io.  Does anyone know if .io has a digest function like Yahoo and how to sign up for it so I don’t get so many individual e-mails?
                                     
                                    Thanks,
                                     
                                    “Banker” Bill Clark
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81477 From: race944t Date: 10/25/2019
                                    Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary

                                    Dale:

                                     

                                    Thanks!  But instead of the “Subscriptions” option being on the top at the right, it was at the top on the left.  I feel silly that I didn’t see that when I originally signed up months ago.  Anyway, it was just a matter of clicking one button.  Thanks for the help!

                                     

                                    “Banker” Bill Clark
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81478 From: Dale Smith Date: 10/25/2019
                                    Subject: Re: New Group e-mail summary
                                    Oops!  I mispoke.  I meant top left.   Maybe I will get that straight one of these days.

                                    Dale

                                    On 10/25/2019 7:29 AM, 'race944t' race944t@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                     

                                    Dale:

                                     

                                    Thanks!  But instead of the “Subscriptions” option being on the top at the right, it was at the top on the left.  I feel silly that I didn’t see that when I originally signed up months ago.  Anyway, it was just a matter of clicking one button.  Thanks for the help!

                                     

                                    “Banker” Bill Clark


                                    Virus-free. www.avg..com
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81479 From: Batman Date: 10/29/2019
                                    Subject: Pine Canyon Models Industry Kits
                                    To All:

                                    Does anyone have a Pine Canyon Models industry kit for sale?

                                    Joe Santoro
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81480 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/19/2019
                                    Subject: Flyer Fans

                                    Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                    Group: S-Trains Message: 81481 From: Carl and Kathy Rudolph Date: 11/19/2019
                                    Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                    Attachments :

                                      We’re still here, Jeff!

                                       

                                      Carl

                                       

                                      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
                                      Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 4:44 PM
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Fans

                                       

                                       

                                      Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81482 From: Dennis Back Date: 11/19/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      Yes sir!  Haven't posted in years, but still lurking.  Still procrastinating and have yet to join the new list(s).

                                      Dennis

                                      On Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 8:10:08 PM EST, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                       

                                      Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81483 From: Edward Davis Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      yep, don't how up often but still read whatever msgs I get.. Ed Davis Sr, Boise ID

                                      On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 6:27 PM Dennis Back backden@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                       

                                      Yes sir!  Haven't posted in years, but still lurking.  Still procrastinating and have yet to join the new list(s).

                                      Dennis

                                      On Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 8:10:08 PM EST, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                       

                                      Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81484 From: attic02 Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      I read everyone and I treasure all the knowledge that is shared so freely.  We are lucky to have this venue opposed to Facebook where all your information is sold around the world.  
                                        



                                      Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

                                      -------- Original message --------
                                      From: "Dennis Back backden@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Date: 11/19/19 7:30 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Fans

                                       

                                      Yes sir!  Haven't posted in years, but still lurking.  Still procrastinating and have yet to join the new list(s).

                                      Dennis

                                      On Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 8:10:08 PM EST, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                       

                                      Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81485 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      Also still here.  Not much activity, however.
                                      Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)

                                      On 11/20/2019 02:30 AM, Dennis Back backden@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                       
                                      Yes sir!  Haven't posted in years, but still lurking.  Still procrastinating and have yet to join the new list(s).

                                      Dennis

                                      On Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 8:10:08 PM EST, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                       

                                      Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81486 From: Richard Mingo Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans

                                      Yes sir!  Like some one else said still here reading the posts.  Still procrastinating and have yet to join the new list(s).
                                      Rick

                                      In a message dated 11/19/2019 8:10:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                                       

                                       

                                      Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81487 From: tommcindc Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      another multi-year lurker, I plan to be on the last bus out --
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81488 From: Chrisandmhel Burger Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      I have to laugh at the comme t about fb selling info. Yahoo, google, and every other format does the exact same thing. Come join us on FB. 
                                      FB site are many for trains. NASG, S-HELPER,AMERICAN MODELS AND OTHER S SCALE TRAINS. SEVERAL AMERICAN FLYER GROUPS  ALSO 1/64S SCALE GROUPS.  CB


                                      On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:43 AM, attic02 attic02@... [S-Trains]
                                      <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                       

                                      I read everyone and I treasure all the knowledge that is shared so freely.  We are lucky to have this venue opposed to Facebook where all your information is sold around the world.  
                                        



                                      Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone..

                                      -------- Original message --------
                                      From: "Dennis Back backden@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Date: 11/19/19 7:30 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Fans

                                       

                                      Yes sir!  Haven't posted in years, but still lurking.  Still procrastinating and have yet to join the new list(s).

                                      Dennis

                                      On Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 8:10:08 PM EST, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                       

                                      Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81489 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      One reason groups.io costs more is that they don't have advertising or profit from data mining,
                                      seems a lot of subscribers prefer that to FB.

                                      ken clark


                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Wed, Nov 20, 2019 7:32 am
                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Fans

                                       
                                      I have to laugh at the comme t about fb selling info. Yahoo, google, and every other format does the exact same thing. Come join us on FB. 
                                      FB site are many for trains.. NASG, S-HELPER,AMERICAN MODELS AND OTHER S SCALE TRAINS. SEVERAL AMERICAN FLYER GROUPS  ALSO 1/64S SCALE GROUPS.  CB


                                      On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:43 AM, attic02 attic02@... [S-Trains]
                                      <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                       
                                      I read everyone and I treasure all the knowledge that is shared so freely.  We are lucky to have this venue opposed to Facebook where all your information is sold around the world.  
                                        



                                      Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone..

                                      -------- Original message --------
                                      From: "Dennis Back backden@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Date: 11/19/19 7:30 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Fans

                                       
                                      Yes sir!  Haven't posted in years, but still lurking.  Still procrastinating and have yet to join the new list(s).

                                      Dennis

                                      On Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 8:10:08 PM EST, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                       
                                      Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81490 From: Ray Puls Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Flyer Fans
                                      Yes, still here and also monitoring at groups io.
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81491 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      Good I'm glad to see you are still out there...  Everyone was trying to say that this group was going away again... I didn't think so!  Just another far fetched rumor... Someone got going!  Oh no...  
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81492 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Fans-Our S-trains archives are disappearin

                                      Does everyone realize that there are two "S-Trains" groups. One on Yahoo and one on Groups.io both of which I believe have the same moderators.  If you only belong to one of these groups, you will not be getting all the messages and there has been activity on both lists lately.  Messages you now send on the Yahoo group will disappear after they are sent, those on groups.io become part of a new archive there.  Also, everything we have uploaded to the Yahoo S-trains group over the years will be deleted in less than a month.  That means all photos and files as well as the message archive.. 

                                      Wouldn't it make sense to move at least the current discussions over to groups.io, where they won't disappear?  We probably have too many photos for a free group, but they could be saved to a free photo sharing service like Picasa.  Groups.io can send an invitation to the Yahoo group members to join, but only the moderators can create a list of the Yahoo group members.  I would be glad to help as I have done this for other train groups.  Also, I downloaded a complete archive of all messages, photos, and files from the S-trains Yahoo group for my personal use and you can do this too with a $25 program called PG Offline.  There is a wealth of information on the Yahoo S-trains group and it would be a shame to see it all go away.

                                      As to Facebook, I am a member of practically all the American Flyer groups, but they pop up so fast you can hardly keep track of them.  There are at least 6 groups.  It is really a nuisance to connect to 6 different groups for Flyer content.  I tried to search just for groups, but I didn't see a way to do that.  It searches everything.  The one thing about facebook that I haven't figured out is how to search for an old message or an old photo.   I guess photos and messages are pretty much the same thing for Facebook, but I would like to be able to see the old stuff in an organized way or does it just disappear there too?

                                      Dale Smith

                                      On 11/20/2019 7:15 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                       

                                      I have to laugh at the comme t about fb selling info. Yahoo, google, and every other format does the exact same thing. Come join us on FB. 

                                      FB site are many for trains. NASG, S-HELPER,AMERICAN MODELS AND OTHER S SCALE TRAINS. SEVERAL AMERICAN FLYER GROUPS  ALSO 1/64S SCALE GROUPS.  CB


                                      On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:43 AM, attic02 attic02@... [S-Trains]
                                       
                                      I read everyone and I treasure all the knowledge that is shared so freely.  We are lucky to have this venue opposed to Facebook where all your information is sold around the world.  
                                        



                                      Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone..

                                      -------- Original message --------
                                      From: "Dennis Back backden@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Date: 11/19/19 7:30 PM (GMT-06:00)
                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Fans

                                       
                                      Yes sir!  Haven't posted in years, but still lurking.  Still procrastinating and have yet to join the new list(s).

                                      Dennis

                                      On Tuesday, November 19, 2019, 8:10:08 PM EST, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                                       

                                      Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>


                                      Virus-free. www.avg.com
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81493 From: Ralph Kestler Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Still on site
                                      Still here
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81494 From: Dale Smith Date: 11/20/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans

                                      Not completely a rumor.  Yahoo groups will be continuing but only for emails, which will disappear after they are sent.  No more archives of old messages, no more photos and no more files or attachments. See the official Yahoo explanation https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html  (be sure to click on "What features will go away?") and also the following:  https://www.ghacks.net/2019/10/17/the-end-of-yahoo-groups-not-quite-yet-but-close/

                                      Also see https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/16/20917710/yahoo-groups-deleting-all-content-upload-message-boards-email-communities

                                      Also future members can't join except by asking the moderator to add them.  So all that remains is day to day emails.  Not sure what happens to Digest members as there will be no digests.  Either they will be switched to individual email message delivery or they will be dropped.  We still don't know for sure.

                                      Dale


                                      On 11/20/2019 7:15 AM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                       

                                      Good I'm glad to see you are still out there...  Everyone was trying to say that this group was going away again... I didn't think so!  Just another far fetched rumor... Someone got going!  Oh no...  


                                      Virus-free. www.avg.com
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81495 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 11/21/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      Although the group will remain, what is going away, as I understand it, are the pictures that have been saved; so there will not be any (or as many?) pictures wherever they were stored in yahoo.
                                      regards to all for Thanksgiving/Christmas holidays
                                      Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)
                                      ps good to see that there are still some people in s-trains!:-)

                                      On 11/20/2019 04:15 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                       

                                      Good I'm glad to see you are still out there...  Everyone was trying to say that this group was going away again... I didn't think so!  Just another far fetched rumor... Someone got going!  Oh no...  
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81496 From: Bob Hannon Date: 11/21/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans

                                      Still here.

                                       

                                      Bob Hannon

                                       

                                       
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81497 From: afjeff_56 Date: 11/21/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      Yes! But I have always enjoyed reading my S- Trains digest that i get in my email every morning... I'm in your Facebook groups just not the same!  Thanks 
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81498 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 11/21/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      What is going away are all records except for the member list.  All archives, messages, photos, images, databases. links, and files will be gone.
                                      Messages will be sent and immediately discarded.  
                                      You will be able to repeat the same message endlessly as there will be no record of whether it was sent once or a thousand times.
                                      Oath is saving a bundle by eliminating the large archival storage that many YG lists utilized on a daily basis.

                                      ken clark


                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Thu, Nov 21, 2019 9:07 am
                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Fans

                                       
                                      Although the group will remain, what is going away, as I understand it, are the pictures that have been saved; so there will not be any (or as many?) pictures wherever they were stored in yahoo.
                                      regards to all for Thanksgiving/Christmas holidays
                                      Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway)
                                      ps good to see that there are still some people in s-trains!:-)

                                      On 11/20/2019 04:15 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                       
                                      Good I'm glad to see you are still out there...  Everyone was trying to say that this group was going away again... I didn't think so!  Just another far fetched rumor... Someone got going!  Oh no...  
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81499 From: snstrains Date: 11/21/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      Me too


                                      Steve Blackburn
                                      Boise, Id.
                                      In a message dated 11/21/2019 10:28:10 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                                       

                                       

                                      Still here.

                                       

                                      Bob Hannon

                                       
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81500 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 11/21/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      The Digest version is also going away, only individual e-mails will be sent; they won't be readable on the web site, if you don't have a single e-mail subscription.
                                      ken clark


                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Thu, Nov 21, 2019 11:04 am
                                      Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer Fans

                                       
                                      Yes! But I have always enjoyed reading my S- Trains digest that i get in my email every morning... I'm in your Facebook groups just not the same!  Thanks 
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81501 From: rick.flaherty Date: 11/21/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                      Bugs Bunny: "And me boss?"

                                      -----------------------------------------

                                      From: "boss31@... [S-Trains]"
                                      To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                      Cc:
                                      Sent: Thursday November 21 2019 12:05:31PM
                                      Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer Fans

                                       

                                      Me too


                                      Steve Blackburn
                                      Boise, Id.
                                      In a message dated 11/21/2019 10:28:10 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                                       

                                       

                                      Still here.

                                       

                                      Bob Hannon

                                       
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81502 From: John Degnan Date: 12/1/2019
                                      Subject: WANTED : SHS 01261 NW2 unlettered black
                                      IN SEARCH OF (without Leonard Nimoy's help)...

                                      ONE or TWO S-Helper Service Unlettered Black NW-2 locomotives, part number 01261... much preferrably like new in box and unaltered.

                                      Got one (or two) to sell?  Let's negotiate.  Contact me at the e-mail address below.

                                      Thanks.


                                      John D

                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81503 From: George Cohn Date: 12/1/2019
                                      Subject: Flyerville Windows
                                      Anyone have insights on gluing replacement windows into the metal
                                      Flyerville stations?

                                      I spent quite some time cleaning the old adhesive off the building. I
                                      used straight alcohol and a lot of rubbing with an old toothbrush and my
                                      finger to get the metal clean without damaging the paint.

                                      The old cement had the consistency of dried rubber cement. Is that what
                                      they used originally?

                                      I noticed that some of the original windows felt like they were printed
                                      on thin vinyl while the replacements are printed on a frosted film.

                                      I would use super glue but I'm afraid I might only get one try at
                                      alignment before it sticks?

                                      George Cohn
                                      Group: S-Trains Message: 81504 From: Rick Date: 12/1/2019
                                      Subject: Re: Flyerville Windows
                                      Attachments :

                                        Have you tried lighter fluid?  If it’s still kind of rubbery, that might work.  It won’t hurt cured paint, if you’re careful and patient.

                                         

                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 4:25 PM
                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: [S-Trains] Flyerville Windows

                                         

                                         

                                        Anyone have insights on gluing replacement windows into the metal
                                        Flyerville stations?

                                        I spent quite some time cleaning the old adhesive off the building. I
                                        used straight alcohol and a lot of rubbing with an old toothbrush and my
                                        finger to get the metal clean without damaging the paint.

                                        The old cement had the consistency of dried rubber cement. Is that what
                                        they used originally?

                                        I noticed that some of the original windows felt like they were printed
                                        on thin vinyl while the replacements are printed on a frosted film.

                                        I would use super glue but I'm afraid I might only get one try at
                                        alignment before it sticks?

                                        George Cohn
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81505 From: Charles Hancock Date: 12/1/2019
                                        Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                        Greetings,
                                        still here! 
                                        Charlie in West MI

                                        On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:44 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] wrote:

                                         

                                        Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81506 From: Rance Velapoldi Date: 12/2/2019
                                        Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                        Yes, sitting in Falls Church, VA at the moment - but still here.

                                        On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                         

                                        Hi! American Flyer fans of S Gauge ... Still with me>
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81507 From: Edward Davis Date: 12/2/2019
                                        Subject: Re: Flyerville Windows
                                        Don't need super glue..I use Goop  [can also use Walther's GOO but Goop [lumberyard or hardware store stuff] cheaper and IMHO better. for stuff like that. time enough to align before it sets..not unlimited time but better.. Ed Davis Boise, idaho.
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81508 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/2/2019
                                        Subject: SF SHS 280 for sale
                                        I have two SF SHS 280's I really should sell. One is has never been run
                                        and the other was converted to TMCC using Carl's circuit board.


                                        Make an offer off list if you are interested.

                                        Mark K
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81509 From: EdSauers Date: 12/2/2019
                                        Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
                                        Mark,
                                         
                                        I take it these are HI-Rail?
                                         
                                        Ed Sauers
                                         
                                         
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: 12/2/2019 8:48:07 AM
                                        Subject: [S-Trains] SF SHS 280 for sale
                                         

                                        I have two SF SHS 280's I really should sell. One is has never been run
                                        and the other was converted to TMCC using Carl's circuit board.

                                        Make an offer off list if you are interested.

                                        Mark K
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81510 From: chuck_7612 Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
                                        Does the one with TMCC have the Cruise Lite or a non-cruise control board? Also does it have TMCC's steam sound board?

                                        For the unopened one, is it DCC ready? I can't recall if all SHS 2-8-0's were DCC plug and play out of the box.

                                        And same question as Ed on both, scale ot highrail wheels?
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81511 From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: SHS steamers

                                        After being packed up for a few years, I tried to run my two SHS steamers at a train/sell show and the lights, smoke and sound worked, but no move. 

                                        Last and only time they were run was for less than an hour on our club layout.

                                        A couple of people suggested it might be cracked gears. If so, they sure did not last long.

                                        If I need parts, I seem to recall that someone bought the parts inventory for SHS, but can’t recall who. Does anyone remember?

                                        Roy Inman

                                         

                                         
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81512 From: Doug Peck Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: SHS steamers

                                        clay@...

                                         

                                        But he has had to move again, as I understand, so responses are very limited.

                                         

                                        << If I need parts, I seem to recall that someone bought the parts inventory for SHS, but can’t recall who. Does anyone remember?

                                        Roy Inman

                                        >>  

                                         

                                        Doug Peck
                                        Port Lines Hobby Supply
                                        6 Storeybrooke Drive
                                        Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
                                        doug@...
                                        www.portlines.com
                                        Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday:  2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
                                        Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
                                        VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER  Accepted.

                                         
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81513 From: Fred Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                        Still with you in NJ, enjoying the chats. Thank you!

                                        Sent from my iPad
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81514 From: JGG KahnSr Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: SHS steamers
                                        I believe NWSL cut replacement gears, although I didn't order any, trusting that my two SHS 2-8-0's have not deteriorated, sitting in their boxes.

                                        Jace Kahn
                                        General Manager
                                        Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.


                                        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of rinphoto@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 3:42 PM
                                        To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Subject: [S-Trains] SHS steamers
                                         
                                         

                                        After being packed up for a few years, I tried to run my two SHS steamers at a train/sell show and the lights, smoke and sound worked, but no move. 

                                        Last and only time they were run was for less than an hour on our club layout.

                                        A couple of people suggested it might be cracked gears. If so, they sure did not last long.

                                        If I need parts, I seem to recall that someone bought the parts inventory for SHS, but can’t recall who. Does anyone remember?

                                        Roy Inman

                                         

                                         
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81515 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale

                                        Ed, these are hi-rail.

                                        What do you think is a fair price?

                                        Mark

                                        On 12/2/2019 10:04 AM, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                        ??

                                        Mark,
                                        ??
                                        I take it these are HI-Rail?
                                        ??
                                        Ed Sauers
                                        ??
                                        ??
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: 12/2/2019 8:48:07 AM
                                        Subject: [S-Trains] SF SHS 280 for sale
                                        ??

                                        I have two SF SHS 280's I really should sell. One is has never been run
                                        and the other was converted to TMCC using Carl's circuit board.

                                        Make an offer off list if you are interested.

                                        Mark K
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81516 From: afjeff_56 Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                        Good Rance, glad to know that members are still paying attention to this S-train list I always kind of like it...  Jeff S......
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81517 From: tennsgauger Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: Flyer Fans (WHY ARE WE GETTING THESE MESSAGES?)
                                        Is there an admininistrator for this group?  Why do we keep getting this crazy message?  or am I missing something?

                                         - Earl Henry, Nashville
                                        -----------------------------------------

                                        In a message dated 12/3/2019 10:34:13 AM Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                                         

                                        Still with you in NJ, enjoying the chats. Thank you!

                                        Sent from my iPad
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81518 From: EdSauers Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale
                                        Mark,
                                         
                                        I am s scale modeler, I sold a HI-Rail 280 with dcc/sound for $450 a few months ago.
                                         
                                        Ed
                                         
                                         
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Mark Kiner robbe_wan@yahoo..com [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: 12/3/2019 4:35:23 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SF SHS 280 for sale
                                         

                                        Ed, these are hi-rail.

                                        What do you think is a fair price?

                                        Mark

                                        On 12/2/2019 10:04 AM, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                        ??

                                        Mark,
                                        ??
                                        I take it these are HI-Rail?
                                        ??
                                        Ed Sauers
                                        ??
                                        ??
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: 12/2/2019 8:48:07 AM
                                        Subject: [S-Trains] SF SHS 280 for sale
                                        ??

                                        I have two SF SHS 280's I really should sell. One is has never been run
                                        and the other was converted to TMCC using Carl's circuit board.

                                        Make an offer off list if you are interested.

                                        Mark K
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81519 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale

                                        my recollection is that it has the mini driver board which does not have cruise. I does have the steam sound board.

                                        I think all the SHS were dcc ready with the way the plug interface on the control board wiring was done. We could ask Don to see.

                                        Hirail wheels...

                                        thx,

                                        MK

                                        On 12/3/2019 7:29 AM, chuck_7612@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                        ??

                                        Does the one with TMCC have the Cruise Lite or a non-cruise control board? Also does it have TMCC's steam sound board?

                                        For the unopened one, is it DCC ready? I can't recall if all SHS 2-8-0's were DCC plug and play out of the box.

                                        And same question as Ed on both, scale ot highrail wheels?
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81520 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale

                                        http://tuveson.com/new2-8-0/tmcc_2-8-0.htm

                                        the above link at Carl's site gives details on the conversion.

                                        Mark


                                        On 12/3/2019 7:29 AM, chuck_7612@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                         

                                        Does the one with TMCC have the Cruise Lite or a non-cruise control board? Also does it have TMCC's steam sound board?

                                        For the unopened one, is it DCC ready? I can't recall if all SHS 2-8-0's were DCC plug and play out of the box.

                                        And same question as Ed on both, scale ot highrail wheels?
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81521 From: Mark Kiner Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: SF SHS 280 for sale

                                        Thx for the price info...

                                        On 12/3/2019 3:42 PM, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                         

                                        Mark,
                                         
                                        I am s scale modeler, I sold a HI-Rail 280 with dcc/sound for $450 a few months ago.
                                         
                                        Ed
                                         
                                         
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Mark Kiner robbe_wan@yahoo..com [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: 12/3/2019 4:35:23 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SF SHS 280 for sale
                                         

                                        Ed, these are hi-rail.

                                        What do you think is a fair price?

                                        Mark

                                        On 12/2/2019 10:04 AM, 'EdSauers' edsauers@... [S-Trains] wrote:
                                        ??
                                        Mark,
                                        ??
                                        I take it these are HI-Rail?
                                        ??
                                        Ed Sauers
                                        ??
                                        ??
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: 12/2/2019 8:48:07 AM
                                        Subject: [S-Trains] SF SHS 280 for sale
                                        ??

                                        I have two SF SHS 280's I really should sell. One is has never been run
                                        and the other was converted to TMCC using Carl's circuit board.

                                        Make an offer off list if you are interested.

                                        Mark K
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81522 From: Kenneth Clark Date: 12/3/2019
                                        Subject: Re: Flyer Fans (WHY ARE WE GETTING THESE MESSAGES?)
                                        Death Spasms of YG, only messages without archives will continue.

                                        ken clark


                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: tennsgauge@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Tue, Dec 3, 2019 1:38 pm
                                        Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer Fans (WHY ARE WE GETTING THESE MESSAGES?)

                                         
                                        Is there an admininistrator for this group?  Why do we keep getting this crazy message?  or am I missing something?

                                         - Earl Henry, Nashville
                                        -----------------------------------------

                                        In a message dated 12/3/2019 10:34:13 AM Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                                         
                                        Still with you in NJ, enjoying the chats. Thank you!

                                        Sent from my iPad
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81523 From: Bob Moyer Date: 12/5/2019
                                        Subject: Re: Flyer Fans
                                        Good morning everyone. I'm still here. Still collecting/buying/fixing and even selling a bit. My home base has changed from SW Florida to the Denver area. I was semi retired in FL and a company in Denver wanted me for 6 months that's turning into 3 years. They made me an offer I couldn't refuse. Kept the place in FL. My wife is here during the hot months there and the holidays. When she's not, my workshop expands to the whole place. Right now I have trains on the floor and work bench. My Luthier work (Guitars Mandolins Ukes and violins) is in the kitchen. I have to clean up by Christmas Eve when she returns. Denver is nice. There train shows. One was last weekend in Loveland and the Colorado Toy Train group. They run auctions every couple of months. Glad to see this group is still active.

                                        Regards

                                        Bob Moyer

                                        On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:34 AM Fred fhazlehurst@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                                         

                                        Still with you in NJ, enjoying the chats. Thank you!

                                        Sent from my iPad
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81524 From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net Date: 12/5/2019
                                        Subject: flyer
                                        i'm still here..........cumberland md
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81525 From: race944t Date: 12/6/2019
                                        Subject: Re: Digest Number 7889
                                        Banker Bill still onboard in SW Va.

                                        ---




                                        On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 12:55 AM -0500, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                        S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains

                                        2 Messages

                                        Digest #7889
                                        1.1
                                        Re: Flyer Fans by "Bob Moyer"
                                        2
                                        flyer by "butch8339@..." dirtysandtrap

                                        Messages

                                        Thu Dec 5, 2019 2:24 pm (PST) . Posted by:

                                        "Bob Moyer"

                                        Good morning everyone. I'm still here. Still collecting/buying/fixing and
                                        even selling a bit. My home base has changed from SW Florida to the Denver
                                        area. I was semi retired in FL and a company in Denver wanted me for
                                        6 months that's turning into 3 years. They made me an offer I couldn't
                                        refuse. Kept the place in FL. My wife is here during the hot months there
                                        and the holidays. When she's not, my workshop expands to the whole place.
                                        Right now I have trains on the floor and work bench. My Luthier work
                                        (Guitars Mandolins Ukes and violins) is in the kitchen. I have to clean up
                                        by Christmas Eve when she returns. Denver is nice. There train shows. One
                                        was last weekend in Loveland and the Colorado Toy Train group. They run
                                        auctions every couple of months. Glad to see this group is still active.

                                        Regards

                                        Bob Moyer

                                        On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:34 AM Fred fhazlehurst@... [S-Trains] <
                                        S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Still with you in NJ, enjoying the chats. Thank you!
                                        >
                                        > Sent from my iPad
                                        >
                                        >

                                        Thu Dec 5, 2019 2:25 pm (PST) . Posted by:

                                        "butch8339@..." dirtysandtrap

                                        i'm still here........ ..cumberland md
                                        Group: S-Trains Message: 81526 From: snstrains Date: 12/6/2019
                                        Subject: Re: flyer
                                        Me too


                                        Steve Blackburn
                                        Boise, Id.
                                        In a message dated 12/5/2019 3:28:55 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

                                         

                                        i'm still here..........cumberland md