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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80200	From: americanflyer	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: 944 Brownhoist Crane Cables

Hi if you want to e mail.me your address i can copy my diagram and send to you

Americanflyer@...

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: "angelfj@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 1/5/18 3:18 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] 944 Brownhoist Crane Cables

Hello!

Just acquired a 944 crane car and I don't think the cables (heavy cord) is threaded correctly. Is there a diagram indicating the correct threading.

Thanks, Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80201	From: racin510	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: American Flyer Trestle Set - what is the grade?

With Pull-Mor pulling the grade with a good line of cars is no problem with most engines. With no Pull-Mor you might want to try Frog Snot or be happy pulling just 3 or 4 cars. I have an A-A Rocket that pulls the grade with six coaches with ease.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80202	From: angelfj	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: 944 Brownhoist Crane Cables

OK, I found the diagram at Port Lines, but I must be getting old because I find it hard to understand. Does this group support attached files or photos?

Thank you,

Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80203	From: Jim Shea	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: 944 Brownhoist Crane Cables

The crane cable routing is shown on port line hobbies web site.

jim in CT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80204	From: beebear	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Sale or Trade

I have a #2 American Flyer transformer in working order with the decals worn on the control face for sale or trade..

Trade for clean hi-rail wheel sets with knuckle couplers, whatever you have to trade or $$$ make an offer

Thanks

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80205	From: thecitrusbelt	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: S-Gaugers Layout Tour - La Mesa, CA (Jan. 13)

From The San Diego Division/PSR/NMRA...

Layout Tour

San Diego S-Gaugers 'Grossmont Central Railroad'

Saturday, January 13, 2018

11:00 AM - 6:00 PM

This month’s layout tour will be the San Diego S-Gaugers Grossmont Central Railroad located in the Grossmont Center Mall, 5500 Grossmont Center Drive in La Mesa.

The San Diego S-Gaugers have three window layouts operated by an external doorbell button 24/7 along with their modular layout, which has 24 modules and has grown to 41’ by 22’. Both DCC and conventional AC power is used to power the layout.

The San Diego S-Gaugers are celebrating their 10th anniversary as a club this month and are having an open house in conjunction with the layout tour. NMRA members and their guests will be allowed in for an early viewing from 11:00am until Noon. From Noon until 6:00pm the space will be open to the public as well as NMRA members.

Directions to Grossmont Center:

I-8 East: La Mesa blvd exit. Turn left. La Mesa Blvd becomes Grossmont Center Drive. After you pass under the freeway, turn left at the first entrance into the shopping center after Murray Drive. This is the third signal and the street sign says Entrance #3. You should park on the left side of the entrance road. Take the passage way between Jamba Juice and Panda Express. We are located in the fifth store on the left, next to Superbrows, number 304 on the mall map.

I-8 West: use the above directions except turn right on to Grossmont Center Drive.

125 South: Take the Grossmont Blvd. Exit. Turn right to La Mesa Blvd and turn right. Follow instructions above.

125 North: Use the 125 South directions except turn left onto Grossmont Blvd.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Model Railroads of Southern California

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80206	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: 944 Brownhoist Crane Cables

Hi Doug,
Do you have any of those end fences for AF Bay window Cabooses?
Thanks,
Harwood Owings

On Friday, January 5, 2018 Doug Peck doug <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

It's one of the AF REPAIR CLINICS on my website.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

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From: "angelfj@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 01/05/2018 5:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 944 Brownhoist Crane Cables

Hello!

Just acquired a 944 crane car and I don't think the cables (heavy cord) is threaded correctly. Is there a diagram indicating the correct threading.

Thanks, Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80207	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: 944 Brownhoist Crane Cables

Not at the moment….but very soon.

They have been made, and are being blackened now.

Watch my website, or check back in 2-3 weeks or so.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:03 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 944 Brownhoist Crane Cables

Hi Doug,
Do you have any of those end fences for AF Bay window Cabooses?
Thanks,
Harwood Owings

On Friday, January 5, 2018 Doug Peck doug <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

It's one of the AF REPAIR CLINICS on my website.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------

From: "angelfj@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 01/05/2018 5:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 944 Brownhoist Crane Cables

Hello!

Just acquired a 944 crane car and I don't think the cables (heavy cord) is threaded correctly. Is there a diagram indicating the correct threading.

Thanks, Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80208	From: Steven Jaynes	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: Re: Sale or Trade

I should have added, the slope is approximately 2%.

Sorry...

How do you convert percent of slope to degrees?

To convert, use this percent to degrees formula:
Degrees = Tan-1 (Slope Percent/100)

Example: With a slope percentage of 43%, degrees would be:

Degrees = Tan-1(.43)

Calculated out this gives an angle of 23.27 degrees.

Sometimes, slope is referred to as pitch, angle, rise, incline, or grade. Many different professions use slope in describing an angle. For example, in construction, you may refer to the pitch of a roof, or the grade of a slab. Both are referring to angles. It can throw people off when they try to think of degrees and percentage of slope. For example, as you get closer to a 90 degree angle, the percentage of slope increases to infinity. There is a nice illustration on Wikipedia that helps illustrate this point.

This conversion is also useful when graphing statistics. By converting percentages to degrees, you can illustrated data on a pie chart. There are may different variations of pie charts, but, at their heart, they all serve the purpose of easily discerning different percentages.

As you can imagine, the conversion of percentages to degrees of an angle is very important in many aspects of engineering. This article from Greenbelt Consulting may help you grasp a better understanding of degrees, percent of slope, and gradient in engineering.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80209	From: Steven Jaynes	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: American Flyer Trestle Set - what is the grade?

If my calculations are correct: 3.4965%

Data:

Approximate Track Section = 11”

Rises 5” in 13 pieces of track.

5” / 11*13 = 0.034965035 or rounded to 3.5%

Hope this is correct and useful

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80210	From: angelfj	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Scale vs Grade, etc.

Attachments :

To Steven Jaynes, et al

Hi!

Don’t know where you copied this from, and maybe you’re not suggesting a 43% grade, but if you are, it’s not possible. See what you posted below my two examples. 23˚ would be quite impossible.

So, I’m not sure if this is correct. I can’t imagine my engines could struggle up a 23-degree incline

Regards, Frank

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How do you convert percent of slope to degrees?

To convert, use this percent to degrees formula:
Degrees = Tan-1 (Slope Percent/100)
Example: With a slope percentage of 43%, degrees would be:

Degrees = Tan-1(.43)

Calculated out this gives an angle of 23.27 degrees.

This conversion is also useful when graphing statistics. By converting percentages to degrees, you can illustrated data on a pie chart. There are many different variations of pie charts, but, at their heart, they all serve the purpose of easily discerning different percentages.

As you can imagine, the conversion of percentages to degrees of an angle is very important in many aspects of engineering. This article from Greenbelt Consulting may help you grasp a better understanding of degrees, percent of slope, and gradient in engineering.

Virus-free.. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80211	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Scale vs Grade, etc.

Attachments :

He is using arctan

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 11:18 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Scale vs Grade, etc.
Importance: High

To Steven Jaynes, et al

Hi!

Don’t know where you copied this from, and maybe you’re not suggesting a 43% grade, but if you are, it’s not possible. See what you posted below my two examples. 23˚ would be quite impossible.

So, I’m not sure if this is correct. I can’t imagine my engines could struggle up a 23-degree incline

Regards, Frank

How do you convert percent of slope to degrees?

To convert, use this percent to degrees formula:
Degrees = Tan-1 (Slope Percent/100)
Example: With a slope percentage of 43%, degrees would be:

Degrees = Tan-1(.43)

Calculated out this gives an angle of 23..27 degrees.

Virus-free.. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80212	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains
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Uploaded by : angelfj <angelfj@...>
Description : explanation of percent grade

You can access this file at the URL:
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To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80213	From: angelfj	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Scale vs Grade, etc.

OK, my attachment did not make it, so if you want, go to "Files" and look at "Frank's Place" for the two diagrams.

Cheers, Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80214	From: angelfj	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: Scale vs Grade, etc.

why can't I see my attachments?

Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80215	From: Al	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: AF 720 & 720A switch repair

You may need more voltage power to the solenoid - try replacing the light bulbs with LED green and red bulbs. They use lots less power which in turn can supply more power to your switch mechanism.

Also you might get a can of pressurized air and blow out any dirt/dust that may be a culprit in your switches.

Al Rawdon

Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club

Northern Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80216	From: angelfj	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: 944 Brownhoist Crane Cables How to re-thread

Hello – Problem solved!

Thomas Barker kindly sent me a page from his book which clearly shows how it’s done.

Many thanks Thomas.

Regards,

Frank

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80217	From: Alan Smith	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: AF 720 & 720A switch repair

Port lines has the L>E>D bulbs - IF U use the white bulbs U will need to put a piece of reflective tape in the very top of switch head as the L>E>D bulb puts the light out the end of the bulb. Unlike the std AC bulb # 1449 or the 18v version. The AF switches have the color flags (RED & GRN) in the switch mechanism.

Note: The L.E.D uses less power and they are COOL. Doug recommended them and they work great.

Ohio Alan

On Jan 7, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Al alsflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

You may need more voltage power to the solenoid - try replacing the light bulbs with LED green and red bulbs. They use lots less power which in turn can supply more power to your switch mechanism.
Also you might get a can of pressurized air and blow out any dirt/dust that may be a culprit in your switches.

Al Rawdon
Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club
Northern Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80218	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: American Flyer Trestle Set - what is the grade?

Your calculation is correct, but a piece of Gilbert track is 10" long, not 11". And if I remember correctly, the rise is a little under 4.5". So it's 4.5/(13*10) = 3.4615%, a trivial distinction.

Bob Graves

TheGilbertGallery.org

From: "Steven Jaynes srjaynes@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 5:11 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer Trestle Set - what is the grade?

If my calculations are correct: 3.4965%

Data:

Approximate Track Section = 11”

Rises 5” in 13 pieces of track.

5” / 11*13 = 0.034965035 or rounded to 3.5%

Hope this is correct and useful

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80219	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 740 Hand Car

Send all parts except the motor if you want a van motor installation

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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From: "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] 740 Hand Car
Date: Fri, Jan 5, 2018 8:39 AM

Greetings!
Steve, what do we need to do to have you
work with the handcar? The shell and chassis are currently separated.
Best,
Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80220	From: racin510	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: The Berkshire

I haven't seen this mentioned; I just noticed that Charles Ro has three types of the Berk available at $333.
I wonder if this issue has smoke at idle as does the Northern. Those who missed out two years ago can now treat themselves.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80221	From: chuck_7612	Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: The Berkshire

Yes Rick, I have read reports from others that the new ones smoke when in neutral. They also have Bluetooth control which allows you to, among other things, adjust the pitch of the chuff. I know some folks do not like the chuff of the previous years' models, and I have read that these new ones sound better.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80222	From: Steven Jaynes	Date: 1/9/2018
Subject: Re: American Flyer Trestle Set - what is the grade?

Thanks Bob for the track length data. I was guessing… Opps… BTW, the AF Catalog says the trestles are 5” high. Now I’ll have to go measure a set…

Keep the wheels turning,

Steve Jaynes

Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80223	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: American Flyer Anatomy 101: the Gilbert Steam Engine - part 2

Here is a follow-up to the first video that showed this 303 in pieces on the workbench now in action on the layout. https://youtu.be/sD_fRaFEMEI

Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80224	From: acgtx1	Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Looking for Part for 752 Coal Loader

Hi There and Happy New Year

I have misplaced a part from my coal loader and am hoping that someone may have one to spare.

PA10826A Winch Guard

This is a cylindrically-shaped, slotted, black metal part that the line goes through before exiting the motor housing.

If you have one please contact me with pricing information. Otherwise, if you have suggestions on where I might find one, please let me know.

Best Regards to All

Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80225	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Looking for Part for 752 Coal Loader

Check with Doug Peck

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 6:35 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for Part for 752 Coal Loader

Hi There and Happy New Year

I have misplaced a part from my coal loader and am hoping that someone may have one to spare.

PA10826A Winch Guard

This is a cylindrically-shaped, slotted, black metal part that the line goes through before exiting the motor housing.

If you have one please contact me with pricing information. Otherwise, if you have suggestions on where I might find one, please let me know.

Best Regards to All

Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80226	From: jims.junk@sbcglobal.net	Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: 720 and 720a switches

Any one know if these switches will work OK on 18 volts DC?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80227	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Re: 740 Hand Car

Greetings Steve!

The Hand Car is on its way. I sent all parts so you

could determine if the problem is, for example,would rebushing do the job or do we need to remotor or?

Thanks,

Charlie

On Jan 7, 2018, at 9:54 PM, 'boss31@...' boss31@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Send all parts except the motor if you want a van motor installation

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [S-Trains] 740 Hand Car
Date: Fri, Jan 5, 2018 8:39 AM

Greetings!
Steve, what do we need to do to have you
work with the handcar? The shell and chassis are currently separated.
Best,
Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80228	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/14/2018
Subject: Nice New Find

Found this new 1/64 scale vehicle recently (at a local Toys'R'Us) and couldn't resist it :

THE GODFATHER'S 1955 Cadillac Fleetwood Series 60 Special

http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/add_item.asp?ProductCode=GL44740-B

John D

Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80229	From: wjgill1	Date: 1/14/2018
Subject: Sidetracks.net shutting down & selling out

I visited Tom Henderson's www.sidetracks.net web site last week (Ouray, Colorado). Tom had been shutdown for some time due to health reasons. On December 16, 2017, he posted he intended to shutdown for good and offered the business and inventory for sale. Sorry to see and hear of Tom's situation and wish him all things possible for improved health. I found Tom to be knowledgeable and fair in all my dealings with him.

Bill, Kelso, WA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80230	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/14/2018
Subject: Re: Sidetracks.net shutting down & selling out

Though I never got to visit in person Tom and I became friends via email and the locomotive purchases I made from him. I too wish him well. He and his business...sidetracks....will be missed

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80231	From: angelfj	Date: 1/14/2018
Subject: A.F. 740 Hand Car - Reversible?

I have a couple of the early, AF all metal, 740 Hand Cars. The later models , I think LAF, had a linkage rod that would reverse the car when it reached the end of the track and bumped into the bumper. Is it possible to modify an early version to reverse like this? Is there another way to automatically reverse the Hand Car electrically, e.g. reversing the polarity of the field?

Thanks, Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80232	From: angelfj	Date: 1/14/2018
Subject: A.F. 21160, 4-4-2 Atlantic - Question

Picked up one of these yesterday at a local garage sale for $3. Except for some light rust, it seems everything is there, but not sure. I notice that the tender has "Marx" stamped into the chassis. Was Marx a subcontractor of A.F. , or vice versa?

There is no smoke or choo- choounit or headlamp bulb. Should the engine have these features? There's a reversing switch in the cab. Is this DC only?

Thanks, Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80233	From: snstrains	Date: 1/15/2018
Subject: Re: A.F. 21160, 4-4-2 Atlantic - Question

No light, smoke, or choo-choo and definitely not a Marx tender.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 1/14/2018 8:51:25 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Picked up one of these yesterday at a local garage sale for $3. Except for some light rust, it seems everything is there, but not sure. I notice that the tender has "Marx" stamped into the chassis. Was Marx a subcontractor of A.F. , or vice versa?

There is no smoke or choo- choounit or headlamp bulb. Should the engine have these features? There's a reversing switch in the cab. Is this DC only?

Thanks, Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80234	From: trainz4brainz	Date: 1/15/2018
Subject: Re: A.F. 21160, 4-4-2 Atlantic - Question

Marx tender, w/ american flyer trucks...

Is it a slope backed tender?

Thx,

Bob

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------

From: "angelfj@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 1/14/18 9:03 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. 21160, 4-4-2 Atlantic - Question

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80235	From: trainz4brainz	Date: 1/15/2018
Subject: Re: A.F. 21160, 4-4-2 Atlantic - Question

No they had none of those features....

This is an ac engine.....

The switch is for locomotive direction....

Thx,

Bob

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------

From: "angelfj@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 1/14/18 9:03 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. 21160, 4-4-2 Atlantic - Question

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80236	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/15/2018
Subject: AF 21160 Atlantic

There WERE some "unequipped" Atlantics very early on that were part of base line sets and during the PikeMaster era. I understand that there were also some of these in sets made for sale by store chains or as promotional sets for various companies. None came with Marx tenders.

Marx "O gauge" items are sometimes used with S gauge because they were "undersized" for O and fit in well with American Flyer by swapping Gilbert trucks under them. I used one to run behind a "home brew" 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler made from a Pacific.

Atlantics are cheap and plentiful as so many were made for so many years. And they came in a lot of variations. Even though hobby shops sometimes used Atlantics as "parts donors" to repair better engines, they are STILL everywhere! I rebuild old Flyer steam from junk box finds and Atlantics are by far the most plentiful, though usually missing the motor and reverse unit.

No matter what, you got your three bucks worth.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80237	From: Edward Davis	Date: 1/15/2018
Subject: Re: A.F. 21160, 4-4-2 Atlantic - Question

No Angel, no flyer engines were DC after 1950 and only a few at that [342DC and 334DC]. The switch is a manual reverse, what you have is a super economy Flyer engine from it last years. The switch reverses polarity to field or armature, I forget which and has to be operate by hand, chintzy but they ran as well as any others. A headlight would be easy to put in if you wanted..the rest pricey.

don't know that Marx was ever a subcontractor to Gilbert, maybe someone else will answer, sounds like somebody grafted a MARX tender in. But most Marx tenders scaled nicely to be used in S gage.. AFAIK the standard AF small tender was the norm..but like anything never say NEVER! It would take some surgery as Marx was all 3 rail .Ed Davis, Boise Idaho.

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 7:03 PM, angelfj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Picked up one of these yesterday at a local garage sale for $3. Except for some light rust, it seems everything is there, but not sure. I notice that the tender has "Marx" stamped into the chassis. Was Marx a subcontractor of A.F. , or vice versa?

There is no smoke or choo- choounit or headlamp bulb. Should the engine have these features? There's a reversing switch in the cab. Is this DC only?

Thanks, Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80238	From: richs009	Date: 1/15/2018
Subject: Re: A.F. 21160, 4-4-2 Atlantic - Question

Frank - my touchstone for almost all things Flyer from the ACG era is Dave Doyle's Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains (Krause, 2007). According to this book, the 21160 was produced in 1960 (the next to last Atlantic done by ACG; 21161 was the last version). Both were shadows of their former selves - no smoke, no choo-choo and no headlight. There also was no reverse unit - just a manual switch.

Dunno about the Marx logo - Doyle's book doesn't say anything about such a marking on the tender and the book has lots of detail and discussions of distinguishing features, so it seems to me unlikely that this would not have been captured in the descriptions in the book.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80239	From: racin510	Date: 1/16/2018
Subject: Re: A.F. 740 Hand Car - Reversible?

If you want a reversing hand car you have to go buy a #742 original Gilbert one. The Lionel repro ones are junk. There is one 742 right now on ebay: Item# 112749834307 and it looks to be about as good as they get. Just be willing to spend a whole lot more than $3.00 !

Asking questions here is Ok, but you really should invest in a copy of Greenberg's Guide To American Flyer S Gauge and educate yourself. It's a very good text book and will answer many of your questions as well as supply you with an accurate history of the ACG production run. You can pick up a copy usually for $30 = $45 on ebay.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80240	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/16/2018
Subject: Re: A.F. 21160, 4-4-2 Atlantic - Question

I have an AF Atlantic with a Lionel slope back tender. The tender has a a slice removed from it so that it is the right width for Flyer. I don't know who did it, but it work is flawless; I took me quite a while before I could find the seam (clue: the rear headlight housing which should be centered is now offset.) Unfortunately, it has "Lionel Lines" heat stamped on both sides.

Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80241	From: Edward Davis	Date: 1/16/2018
Subject: Re: A.F. 21160, 4-4-2 Atlantic - Question

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Although I have the Flyer factory items that I want I've done a lot of salvage work to create other items that work nicely with Flyer. I also have an 027 Lionel setup built into my S gage Flyer/Rapid Transit layout. One of my junker jobs was similar to that tender , had a Lionel short gondola with damaged floor, cut the body in half and trimmed to S width, glued back together, made a subfloor of 1/8 wood stock, and made the holes to mount Flyer trucks. Panted white and big SOO line letters.. well I got a fishbelly gon to run with my Flyer. The train it is in except for caboose is an all-salvage freight set. Might mention that Scout size Lionel boxcars [higher but realistic] and tanks [bigger tanks but look good] make easy conversions for S gage use with no surgery, and the truck mounting holes are the right distance for putting in Flyer trucks. C-photo.

Ed Davis Sr, Boise Idaho

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 4:15 AM, Victor Bereskin vbereskin@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I have an AF Atlantic with a Lionel slope back tender. The tender has a a slice removed from it so that it is the right width for Flyer. I don't know who did it, but it work is flawless; I took me quite a while before I could find the seam (clue: the rear headlight housing which should be centered is now offset.) Unfortunately, it has "Lionel Lines" heat stamped on both sides.

Vic Bereskin

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80242	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/16/2018
Subject: Re: Gilbert 740 Hand Car

Many thanks for the thoughts on the Hand Car.

Best wishes,

Charlie

On Jan 3, 2018, at 8:43 PM, Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Greetings!
The Holidays presented the opportunity to run some of our seldom run engines.
The Hand Car ran, after a good cleaning, but required several full power "jolts"
from the transformer reset button.This, was not a consistent outcome.
Does this sound like the time to rebuild or replace the motor or ....?
Thanks for your thoughts
and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80243	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/16/2018
Subject: Non-S S gauge

I've met several guys at shows who have used Marx or K-line rolling stock with S gauge trucks and couplers. Some less expensive "toy" trains were made to the 3/16" O gauge size, and of course that included some American Flyer before the big change to S gauge.

But there is another gauge/scale swap which is VERY doable, but mostly overlooked. On30 can have S trucks and couplers applied to look like "old time" equipment and S gauge rolling stock can have On30 trucks and couplers applied to be used as On30 narrow gauge. (Flyer's "Franklin" and old time rolling stock and their Pikemaster "Casey Jones" loco and many of the Pikemaster cars are oversize for s scale, close to O.) The PROPORTIONS of On30 and S are virtually the same if not the scale.

I tried this back when Bachmann started manufacturing On30 trains and made no refrigerator cars. I swapped trucks and couplers from B'mann On30 boxcars with those on S reefers. At train shows the S guys wanted to know where I got those "neat scale size old type cars." If I brought an On30 layout, those guys wanted to know where I got those "sharp billboard reefers." Very few people noticed that ladders, brake wheels, and doors were the wrong scale!

I built an eight car fleet of junk box Flyer hopper cars into On30 this way, and could have sold them for "too much money" many times before Bachmann got around to making On30 hoppers. So don't overlook this possibility when it comes to using different scales and gauges of equipment.

Stumpy in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80244	From: beebear	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: NICKEL PLATE ROAD FLYERCHIEF™ GP-7 DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE

NICKEL PLATE ROAD FLYERCHIEF™ GP-7 DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE

At out train club meet today, one of the guys brought over his diesel as shown above and was showing the new electric knuckle uncoupler.

I have been searching the internet and Lionel site trying to find out a part number and cost of them.

Does anyone have any info on them??

Thanks

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80245	From: race944t	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Re: A.F. 740 Hand Car - Reversible?

I will disagree on the Lionel reversing hand car being junk. The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers run one constantly for 8 plus hours a day at shows. We have calculated that it runs into a barrier and reverses about every 7 seconds. That is over 8,000 reverse every 2 day show. It has been doing this for years now.

Ok, now for the full disclosure... We did have one that burned up on the first use. It was obviously a dud.

The one we use on our "Super 8" layout has been bullet proof and we all wonder when it is going to fail. Some of you may have seen our "Super 8" layout at the NASG convention in Baltimore.

"Banker" Bill Clark

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80246	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Woodlands Lighting Sysytem

I posted that I was using 3 volt wall power supplies to light Christmas so my son bought me the Woodlands system.

Well they sell 2 Stick on LEDS for around $9. The sistom only comes with 2. They say it will power 50 LEDS, but since the units only connect 4 LEDS at a time you have to buy 11 $20 hubs to do so. You need 25 sets of light. So you spend $250 plus $220. to light 50 LEDS.

They use dimmers on bright LEDS so that is nice.

So why not buy 50 bright LEDS and 50 Resistors. You can't but the plug ends.

So if any one has a good source for Resisters and Bright LEDS I think I'll build my own LEDS for around a $100. I'll attach to the AC transformer What do you think?

I use 6 3 volt transformers now with out resistors and use free old Xmas lights.

Jim Sleeth

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80247	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Re: Woodlands Lighting Sysytem

With the demise of Radio Shack we are pretty much driven to mail order for the purchase of electronic components and/or electrical systems. Fortunately if you google electronic components you will come up with firms like Digi-key, Mouser ,Jameco and several others who all have more resistors and other electronic components than Radio Shack ever had.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80248	From: beebear	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Re: Woodlands Lighting Sysytem

If you don’t mind the wait, I would look at some place like Banggood to get parts. Their parts are very cheap, price wise, and there is usually no minimum and no shipping.

Places like Digi-key etc. have minimum orders and large shipping fees for smaller orders.

I buy 99% of my parts from Banggood.

John

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:52 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Woodlands Lighting Sysytem

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80249	From: chuck_7612	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Re: NICKEL PLATE ROAD FLYERCHIEF™ GP -7 DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE

Here is Lionel's listing...http://www.lionel.com/products/nickel-plate-road-flyerchieftm-gp-7-diesel-locomotive-6-48037/

Several places have the Nickel Plate version in stock...Nassau Hobby Center, Charles Ro, Pikesville Models.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80250	From: beebear	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: NICKEL PLATE ROAD FLYERCHIEF™ GP -7 DIESEL LOCO

I didn’t specify directly that I was looking for just the electric knuckle uncoupler. I have since found them on eBay at $24 each.

I will stick with manually uncoupling.

John

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NICKEL PLATE ROAD FLYERCHIEF™ GP -7 DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE

Here is Lionel's listing...http://www.lionel.com/products/nickel-plate-road-flyerchieftm-gp-7-diesel-locomotive-6-48037/

Several places have the Nickel Plate version in stock...Nassau Hobby Center, Charles Ro, Pikesville Models.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80251	From: chuck_7612	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: NICKEL PLATE ROAD FLYERCHIEF™ GP -7 DIESEL LO

Are you looking for the most recent type of electrocouplers or just electrocouplers in general? I have some from my SD70's, my ES44, and my U33c's that I dont need since I use scale couplers. I'd sell them much cheaper than Big L. You can contact me at:

chuck_7612@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80252	From: racin510	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Re: Woodlands Lighting Sysytem

You can buy variety packs of LED from China, which will include many different values [usually 10 of each] for very reasonable; just search ebay.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80253	From: richs009	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Re: Woodlands Lighting Sysytem

Hmm - I'm not sure what just happened, my partial post disappeared - so apologies if you've seen some of this before...!

You don't say what you are using the LED lighting for - I assume layout lighting for things like buildings, etc. As you likely already know, there are strips of LED lights - often sold as reels holding 3m long strips. These come in a variety of color temperatures and brightnesses. I have such a reel I plan cut up and use for interior passenger car lighting (a project waiting to be started). Typically you can cut these strips every 3 to 6 LEDs - the ones I've seen run on 12 volts DC and have the dropping resistors built into the strip. If you look on the Bay, you will see lots of these (or at least I did the last time I looked).

A likely cheaper source of LEDs would be Xmas lights - and now might be a good time to look for a deal. I actually found an LED light string at IKEA - I don't think Xmas related, but I don't recall. In any event, its one of those strings that when you stretch it out, it has strings of a few LEDs hanging down from a main string (the sort of "icicle" lighting you see). I haven't yet used it, but my thinking was to cut it up to use for layout lighting. It comes with its own driver that plugs into the wall, but I don't recall what voltage it provides. Anyway, this string was quite cheap - guessing that it is at least 50 (likely more) individual LEDs. I happened to find it at the local IKEA when I was looking for LED lighting for use in my shop (I have several of their small 'gooseneck' lights they sell that clip on - these are fairly bright, individual surface mount LED that make great task lights for things like a drill press, radial arm saw and router table). Unlike my experience with IKEA furniture (don't get me started...), their LED lights (all they sell now) seem to be quite robust. You might be able to find this LED string on-line at IKEA...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80254	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: Lionel S Gauge Handcar

Bill is right about the ASCG Carolinas Division's Lionel hand car being almost indestructible with the unbelievable number of reversing at a show. It runs on a 3 foot section of fastrack. The one that became a "smoker" had problems getting hung up on switches and rerailer tracks on the large layout. The clearance under the hand car seems to have been an issue that hand car. The other club hand car runs like the Eveready Bunny, and is a hit with all the kids when we set up the Super Eight.

Jack Ruth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80255	From: attic02	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: AF/Lionel * New *Northerns $299.99 each

There is a seller on Ebay with super low prices on AF/Lionel Northerns

This link is Milwaukee but has others also

This is for a head up from

Ron Petersen

here is the link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/S-Gauge-American-Flyer-Milwaukee-4-8-4-Locomotive-265/263354204713?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49454%26meid%3Df911946708234899928279da1f34368a%26pid%3D100678%26rk%3D10%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D112706240426&_trksid=p2481888.c100678.m3607&_trkparms=pageci%253A8f56483a-fc7c-11e7-bfa0-74dbd180dbe9%257Cparentrq%253A0a8225321610aa1326da1ca7ffd9ef28%257Ciid%253A1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80256	From: racin510	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: AF/Lionel * New *Northerns $299.99 each

$50. more for the UP and NYC but still great prices for such a good runner.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80257	From: wjgill1	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: AF/Lionel * New *Northerns $299.99 each

FWIW, Nassau Hobby had the Northern Milwaukie for $300 last December and earlier this month. Someone said they had over 40 of these in stock. I don't see them listed now so they must have sold them all. Some "lucky" customers even bought them for 15% off of the $300 due to a glitch on their web page. There was much gnashing of teeth on the OGR S scale forum from those who "missed" the deal.

Regardless, I've also experienced where AF/Lionel stock was warehoused at a mid continent wholesaler. An East Coast train shop would ship out of the centrally located inventory rather than his own, maybe to save on shipping if headed to the West Coast, maybe to save on inventory costs. This is a long way to say there is inventory "hidden" out there that an individual has a tough time accessing directly. From time to time business needs dictate liquidating inventory and "bargains" like these show up. It all depends on if you're in the right place at the right time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80258	From: racin510	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: Lionel S Gauge Handcar

I believe I had heard that the reverse switching was a bad design so very good if that is not the case, however if they have shorting issues over Gilbert switches this would not be so good.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80259	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Bluetooth

In reading up on some of these newer Flyonel locomotives I notice that several say "Bluetooth". I know it is used for or on cell phones but how on earth does it tie in with model trains?

Bob "OLD SCHOOL" Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80260	From: richs009	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: Bluetooth

Check it out:

https://youtu.be/hKnPQTYnsrw

This is from a post on the OGR website - its for application to a Lionel Berk - but I'm sure the Flyonel Berk is similar if not identical.

As some of you know, there is also an outfit called Bluerail that is making boards that can be retrofit into locos that would allow control of trains via a phone app. Their website is here:

http://bluerailtrains.com/

There have been some posting on the OGR site about this. I think its pretty cool - its pushing my toward getting one of the new Flyonel Berks... or maybe a GP7

So, Bob, to answer your original question "...how on earth does it tie in the model trains?" It doesn't use the earth...

- Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80261	From: n6ojj	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: Bluetooth

Bob,

Check the Lionel website, they probably have an “app” to control the locomotive. There are a number of Bluetooth “app’s” out for the control of model locomotives; I .e., MTH, Bachmann, Bluerail, etc. Each is proprietary to a unique decoder, some with more features than others. The early Bluerail would interoperate with Bachmann; don’t know if still true. Bluetooth apps are different from WiFi apps.

—- Dave McBrayer

Castro Valley, CA

Sent from my iPad

——-

Bob "OLD SCHOOL" Lampe
Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80262	From: poniaj	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: Bluetooth

Bob,

I'm not an electronic expert, but from what I learned, Bluetooth is simply a low power radio signal system that links close-by electronic devices. It was developed to link computers to printers, faxes, etc. Cell phones can link to car "entertainment centers" and the link can also be made to a Lionel or Flyer locomotive since previous operating systems on their trains were basically radio links. At least, that's how I understand it. I'm sure others who are more versed in electronics can explain it better. By the way, the Bluetooth Flyer controlled locomotives are quite cool. They don't have all the features of TMCC or Legacy, but it's a nice low-cost alternative.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80263	From: Tom	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: Bluetooth

The Lionel Berk and the Flyonel Berk use the same Bluetooth app. Basically you download the LionChief app to your smart phone and it links up with the loco when it searches for the FlyerChief controller. There is a button on the app to push to permit the linkup and then the phone controls the loco.. It provides certain functions that the FlyerChief controller doesn’t have (although I find the FlyerChief controller easy to use and prefer to use it when its available). For example, it allows controlling sound volume and even changing sound tones right on the app.

Tom Detmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80264	From: Tom	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: Bluetooth

Hi Bob,

Bluetooth equipped locos can be run from your cellphone with the appropriate app installed. The phone becomes the controller and no other is needed. Why do this you ask? Aside from not needing a controller if you take your train somewhere, the app contains various features that the FlyerChief controllers don’t have, such as the ability to turn features on and off, the ability to change sound volume and the ability to change whistle tones, etc. which the FlyerChief controller can’t do. It adds more “bells and whistles” to your train (pun intended). In short, it provides a method to connect to other wireless devices such as a smartphone.

Tom Detmer

Madison, WI

On Jan 18, 2018, at 5:16 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

In reading up on some of these newer Flyonel locomotives I notice that several say "Bluetooth". I know it is used for or on cell phones but how on earth does it tie in with model trains?
Bob "OLD SCHOOL" Lampe
Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80265	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: Bluetooth

I think I'll stay with standard DCC. It'd be my luck to be running a train and accidentally call 911 or worse.....The White House.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80266	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers website updates

Have you visited the website of the San Diego S-Gaugers lately? The club has been busy and I've just posted a lot of updates.

I have included on the homepage a picture and guided tour video of the enlarged clubhouse.

I added some new pictures to the Liberty Loop window layout page, updated some old ones, and did some wordsmithing.

I created a page for the new Streeterville window layout.

I created a page for the various seasonal hill window layouts that we have displayed since Christmas of 2014.

A new Lego Creations page was created for current and past Lego displays. And I created a page for the Lego Ninjago layout.

With the installation of signage on the front of our clubhouse, I put a new picture on the homepage.

The 2018 calendar has been added to the homepage.

All meeting minutes are now online. I'm in the process of putting page visit counts on them.

New member recruitment has been enhanced based on comments made at the December club meeting.

Bob Graves

TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80267	From: Tom	Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: Bluetooth

Bob,

We don't want that - i.e. you calling 911! LOL

Using Bluetooth on your phone is an option for those with Smartphones and it can be fun and useful. If you've got DCC, I'd stick with that too. No need to call 911...

Tom Detmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80268	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: AF refer and waffle House box car may have the same floor.

I am thinking about putting Bachman On3 passenger trucks on the refer, and roller bearing trucks on the box car.

If any one has pictures of what these floors look like please share.

I may have a 50 HO refer to look at. Tried to find a used HO waffle car to look at, but could not find one.

Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80269	From: Raulf Polichar	Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website updates

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Hi Bob,

I noticed that you had a jacket with our logo from Lands End. Which style was that? Do you know it they still have that color? I noticed that they were having a sale and I would like to get one similar to yours.

Raulf

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:49 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] San Diego S-Gaugers website updates

Have you visited the website of the San Diego S-Gaugers lately? The club has been busy and I've just posted a lot of updates.

I have included on the homepage a picture and guided tour video of the enlarged clubhouse.

I added some new pictures to the Liberty Loop window layout page, updated some old ones, and did some wordsmithing.

I created a page for the new Streeterville window layout.

I created a page for the various seasonal hill window layouts that we have displayed since Christmas of 2014.

A new Lego Creations page was created for current and past Lego displays. And I created a page for the Lego Ninjago layout .

With the installation of signage on the front of our clubhouse, I put a new picture on the homepage.

The 2018 calendar has been added to the homepage.

All meeting minutes are now online. I'm in the process of putting page visit counts on them.

New member recruitment has been enhanced based on comments made at the December club meeting.

Bob Graves

TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80270	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website updates

The color is the same forest green as our original shirts. I don't know whether they still have that color in jackets - check the website.

Bob Graves

TheGilbertGallery.org

From: "'Raulf Polichar' polichar@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] San Diego S-Gaugers website updates

Hi Bob,

Raulf

Have you visited the website of the San Diego S-Gaugers lately? The club has been busy and I've just posted a lot of updates.

I have included on the homepage a picture and guided tour video of the enlarged clubhouse.

I added some new pictures to the Liberty Loop window layout page, updated some old ones, and did some wordsmithing.

I created a page for the new Streeterville window layout.

I created a page for the various seasonal hill window layouts that we have displayed since Christmas of 2014..

A new Lego Creations page was created for current and past Lego displays. And I created a page for the Lego Ninjago layout .

With the installation of signage on the front of our clubhouse, I put a new picture on the homepage.

The 2018 calendar has been added to the homepage.

All meeting minutes are now online. I'm in the process of putting page visit counts on them.

New member recruitment has been enhanced based on comments made at the December club meeting.

Bob Graves

TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80271	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers website updates

I got it several years ago on a similar sale and I don't remember what they called it. I really like it! It's one of their heavy duty storm jackets, water resistant, with hood and zip-out lining that is usually too warm to use in San Diego. The tag inside has the following numbers: 393803 V3225/F2656 H12 502.

Bob Graves

TheGilbertGallery.org

Hi Bob,

Raulf

Have you visited the website of the San Diego S-Gaugers lately? The club has been busy and I've just posted a lot of updates.

I have included on the homepage a picture and guided tour video of the enlarged clubhouse.

I added some new pictures to the Liberty Loop window layout page, updated some old ones, and did some wordsmithing.

I created a page for the new Streeterville window layout..

I created a page for the various seasonal hill window layouts that we have displayed since Christmas of 2014..

A new Lego Creations page was created for current and past Lego displays. And I created a page for the Lego Ninjago layout .

With the installation of signage on the front of our clubhouse, I put a new picture on the homepage.

The 2018 calendar has been added to the homepage.

All meeting minutes are now online. I'm in the process of putting page visit counts on them.

New member recruitment has been enhanced based on comments made at the December club meeting.

Bob Graves

TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80272	From: jims.junk@sbcglobal.net	Date: 1/19/2018
Subject: Re: AF refer and waffle House box car may have the same floor.

https://exactrail.com/collections/p-s-7315-waffle-box-car/ho-scale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80273	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/20/2018
Subject: Flyonel Diesels for sale

These will probably go to Ebay eventually, but thought I would see if there is any interest here.

Test run just to check function on clean oval for 5 min. With the exception of the SP powered/dummy set. These have run a couple of hours.

Boxes have some shelf wear. All are LNIB (even the SP Pwd/Dmy set)

There was some rust on the stamped steel truck frame where a ground wire had been soldered to the B&O alco set.

(Not visible if on track, was that way when I got it several years ago. Not sure if this was a repair or what )

Can send pictures if someone is interested, but would rather not dig one out of the box if there is no interest.

contact me off the list if you want more information.

robbe_wan at yahoodotcom

http://mwkiner.com/american_flyer_trains

Mark

Northern Pacific GP-9 LNIB	6-48014	$ 150.00
B&O Alco A and Dummy	4-8153	$ 225.00
B&O Alco- B unit	4-8154	$ 80.00
Conrail GP-7	6-48013	$ 165.00
GM GP-7	6-48009	$ 130.00
Chessie System GP-20	4-4859 Powered	$ 175.00
Chessie System GP-20	6-48004 non-powered	$ 115.00
Southern Pacific GP-9	6-48000 Powered	$ 150.00
Southern Pacific GP-9	6-48002 non-Powered	$ 100.00
Pennsy GP-9	6-48005	$ 165.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80274	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/20/2018
Subject: Forgot the Wabash A-A set

I left one off with my cut and paste, bench run only.

Wabash PA-1 A-A powered/unpowered

6-48100

$ 250.00

MIB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80275	From: Eric	Date: 1/21/2018
Subject: Re: AF/Lionel * New *Northerns $299.99 each

Back in the days (80's, early 90's) When I made parts for Ron Leventon (have not seen him in many years) He told me the Lionel plan at the time. Lionel would make enough to cover the pre-orders and then enough extra to cover projected returns for any reason. After a length of time they would release those warehoused "extras" to the big dealers at a big discount. I remember getting Western Pacific and C& O passenger cars for a great discount from Ron this way.

These engines are probably the same sort of thing where they clear out these warehoused items. Otherwise itmay be just product that did not sell well, so they set a deadline and clear it out to dealers.

Also if you watch the "bargains" on Walthers They have a number of Lionel and sometimes MTH S cars, usually about 45% off.

https://www.walthers.com/products/scale/s-scale/on-sale-today/bargain-depot-all-on-sale-the-warehouse-sale

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80276	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 1/21/2018
Subject: operating dump and log car truck failures

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There is a new bolt together truck that hopefully will allow you to repair you Dump cars that arrived broken while still in the box.

Mark

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80277	From: roninscho	Date: 1/21/2018
Subject: Re: operating dump and log car truck failures

I discovered this problem over 10years ago & yet Lionel still makes them this wat :( Only real fix is to buy the repair kit from Doug at PortLines as Lionel really has no parts to repair this & they could care less

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80278	From: beebear	Date: 1/21/2018
Subject: Baldwin Pickups

Does anyone know what type of metal the button pickups on the Baldwin engines are made of.?

I’ve got a section of my layout up and running. The problem is I added a second set of pickups since I’m only using

one truck and when the engine goes around the curves the extra buttons catch on the track and knock the engine

off the track. I just need to make a different shaped pickup for the extra pickups. This is my critter where I cut the

Baldwin down and made a little switcher. Once I get that fixed, I hope to write an article about it.

Thanks

John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80279	From: Tom	Date: 1/21/2018
Subject: Re: operating dump and log car truck failures [1 Attachment]

I’ve received the picture of the “bolt together truck” but can’t find a link or any other information. Does the posting person have a link or other details?

Tom Detmer

Madison

On Jan 21, 2018, at 11:20 AM, robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There is a new bolt together truck that hopefully will allow you to repair you Dump cars that arrived broken while still in the box.

Mark

<operating car truck.JPG>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80280	From: snstrains	Date: 1/21/2018
Subject: Baldwin Pickups

The Baldwin power pickups are steel.

Steve, Boise

In a message dated 1/21/2018 7:00:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Does anyone know what type of metal the button pickups on the Baldwin engines are made of.?

I’ve got a section of my layout up and running. The problem is I added a second set of pickups since I’m only using

one truck and when the engine goes around the curves the extra buttons catch on the track and knock the engine

off the track. I just need to make a different shaped pickup for the extra pickups. This is my critter where I cut the

Baldwin down and made a little switcher. Once I get that fixed, I hope to write an article about it.

Thanks

John Frankforther

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80281	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/21/2018
Subject: Re: operating dump and log car truck failures

https://m.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-Operating-Truck-732-734-25003-25016-25019-25025-25045-25057-25060/162795378636?hash=item25e75c57cc:g:8REAAOSwiIxZ7AIu

On Jan 21, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I’ve received the picture of the “bolt together truck” but can’t find a link or any other information. Does the posting person have a link or other details?

Tom Detmer
Madison

On Jan 21, 2018, at 11:20 AM, robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There is a new bolt together truck that hopefully will allow you to repair you Dump cars that arrived broken while still in the box.

Mark

<operating car truck.JPG>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80282	From: Eric	Date: 1/21/2018
Subject: American Hi-rail

Attachments :

amhighrail-3.jpg

amhighrail-2.jpg

amhighrail-1.jpg

Someone was looking for information on American Hi-Rail.

Here are scans as jpegs of the AHR sales sheep I got from Tom Hodgson in April 1994.

If they do not come through for you let me know off list and I will email you a set directly.

I have not had any issues with pictures in the many years I have been on these lists. Yahoogroups, egroups, and whatever it was before those.

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

@@attachment@@

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80283	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 1/22/2018
Subject: Re: American Hi-rail

Eric,
This is one of the few YahooGroups that I am a member that allows attachments such as your pictures.
Other Yahoogroups migrating to Google groups or groups.io or Facebook have found that attachments to messages are the
only part of the database that cannot be transferred. I am a moderator of several groups and for most of today
when I log onto the YahooGroups web site I cannot access messages, they are empty in nine different groups.

I understand that this outage is being corrected for now but the repercussions will be felt; due to the instability of YahooGroups,
transfers of membership and archive databases out of YahooGroups may no longer be possible (posted today by another, non-Yahoo
groups host). Last year transfer took a couple of hours, last week it took 7-10 days, tomorrow it may not be possible.
Less than 5% of my groups members were willing to go to a new group, even if YahooGroups collapses, if they have to manually
apply for membership and repost files and pictures on to the new group. The automatic file transfer is a worthwhile feature that
may be soon lost.

FWIW The groups on Facebook of which I am a member are buried by the political, religious,vegan, PETA posts of friends and family.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric ericrhere@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 21, 2018 8:21 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] American Hi-rail

Someone was looking for information on American Hi-Rail.

Here are scans as jpegs of the AHR sales sheep I got from Tom Hodgson in April 1994.

If they do not come through for you let me know off list and I will email you a set directly.

I have not had any issues with pictures in the many years I have been on these lists. Yahoogroups, egroups, and whatever it was before those.

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80284	From: Tom	Date: 1/22/2018
Subject: Re: operating dump and log car truck failures

Thank you to Mark for sending the link to the American Flyer operating truck that uses bolts.

Tom Detmer

Madison

On Jan 21, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

https://m.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-Operating-Truck-732-734-25003-25016-25019-25025-25045-25057-25060/162795378636?hash=item25e75c57cc:g:8REAAOSwiIxZ7AIu

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80285	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: Steam loco valve gear

I plan on getting a few American Models 4-8-4 locomotives and converting them to Northern Pacific protypes. The problem is that of all the NP Northerns only one had Baker valve gear. The rest had Walshaerts valve gear. American Models Northerns have Baker valve gear. S Scale Locomotive & Supply used to have all the parts to convert to Walshaerts valve gear. Unfortunately Fred Rouse sold the business but the new owner hasn't done anything yet and there is no news about the company either way. I guess I'll just sit here and hope whoever bought it starts production or somebody else starts making conversuion parts.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80286	From: race944t	Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: Re: operating dump and log car truck failures

Lionel also makes new and improved power trucks and pickup trucks to fix these cars.

They are much better trucks and a direct replacement.

"Banker" Bill Clark

---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80287	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: Ray Mohrlang's passing

I am sad to report the passing Ray Mohrlang, one of the major
contributors to my americanflyerdisplays.org website. Ray was the
source of practically all the photos and information about the large
layout which occupied the first floor of the New York Hall of Science
from late 1954 to its closing in 1958. The history of this large layout
was his passion and I am greatly indebted to him for sharing his
knowledge with me. Ray had dreamed of someday building a replica of that
layout, but unfortunately time caught up with him.

Rest in Peace, Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80288	From: elist@ribbonrail.com	Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: February/March 2018 The S Scale Resource Magazine is Ready

The new issue of The S Scale Resource is now on line. Free to read and download.

http://sscaleresource.com/

New Tracks - Wiseman Model Services Contest and Mentors

Will S Scale Become the New Builders Scale?

Scratchbuilding a PRR GLa Twin-bay Hopper

The Spokane, Panhandle & Palouse Model Railroaders Club

Car Spotters

Scene Around the Layout

Shows, Meets and so much more...

Thanks for reading and tell your friends!

Regards,

Daniel Dawdy
-
The Model Railroad Resource LLC
407 East Chippewa St - Dwight, IL 60420
Voice 815.584.1577 / FAX 800.783.0127
daniel@... / http://modelrailroadresource.com
http://oscaleresource.com/ and http://sscaleresource.com/
All outbound mail from rrp is virus scanned for your protection

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80289	From: beebear	Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: Re: operating dump and log car truck failures

Do you have a link where to find them on Lionel’s site?

John Frankforther

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: operating dump and log car truck failures

Lionel also makes new and improved power trucks and pickup trucks to fix these cars.

They are much better trucks and a direct replacement.

"Banker" Bill Clark

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80290	From: scmodelworks@gmail.com	Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: Name your Sale - What are you interested in most?

Hi all,

We'd like to know which of our S scale loads you are most curious about, or interested in purchasing but haven't yet. Is it the scrapped wheel load, the steel pups or a coal load?

If we get enough of a consensus on which loads most intrigue you, we may consider putting together a sale. We've had a few sales in the past few months, and this time we want to hear from you. NAME YOUR SALE!!

Thank you for your interest,

Sue and Terry Wellman

St. Charles Model Works

www.scmodelworks.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80291	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/23/2018
Subject: Re: operating dump and log car truck failures

Bill / John The pictures I posted were of a lionel flyer part.

They are listed on Lionel’s site, but it won’t do you any good to look for them as they are out of stock. They are listed as being available at lima train works but they are not. The only place I have actually seen them is on eBay. I believe that large distributors are purchasing all the stock as soon as it becomes available and then selling them on eBay.

On Jan 23, 2018, at 4:48 PM, 'beebear' beebear@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Do you have a link where to find them on Lionel’s site?

John Frankforther

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 7:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: operating dump and log car truck failures

Lionel also makes new and improved power trucks and pickup trucks to fix these cars.

They are much better trucks and a direct replacement.

"Banker" Bill Clark

---

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80292	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Ray Mohrlang's passing

Dale:

Sad to hear this. But, thanks for putting

the word out.

R.I.P Ray

Bob Hannon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80293	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

I am the list owner of a couple of YahooGroups lists, the largest (RepowerAndRegear) had almost 1800 members.

Lately YG had become very unresponsive. It was taking almost 3 hours for a message

to post on the web page, much longer to get to members. Members wanting to leave

weren't allowed by YG; I had to do it manually. Photos could no longer be posted to

photo albums (less than 5% full). The list was over 16 years old, it was active, some

weeks over 100 messages would be posted. YG wasn't doing anything to help the situation,

which I understand as they had just been orphaned. I had planned to move last July

but members were reluctant, as the situation with YG got worse the move got more support.

Sunday was the breaking point I requested a transfer of the a backup copy of the database,

It successfully completed this morning; we lost two messages in the transfer.

We lost 190 members who had dead e-mail addresses (bounced delivery), four members left YG

to prevent being transferred, YG aborted their move, I had to do it manually to prevent them from

being moved to the new group It took me about an hour, overall their unsubscription was delayed

by over three hours. Within ten minutes of being welcomed to the new group, ten disgruntled,

anti-move members quit the new group, they were automatically purged, I didn't have to do it manually.

Messages were sent and received in a couple of minutes. WE lost two new messages in the transfer.

Since the new system evolved from the old YahooGroups (same developer) there are new features to learn,

but the performance improvement is noticeable. But I am running this on an old Vista HE computer

upgraded to Windows 7 Pro; still it's like I got anew computer. There's more support of list owners and

moderators, for me that will be the biggest change;things get fixed and improved.

I didn't kill the old list, but it is in a coma; no new members, new posts, new photos; it is in an

archived state, unmoderated. It will die with YG, not sooner. I wonder how often YG members will search the database?

It is so much easier to search the same database on the new group. In case the transfer failed due to YG

instability I had backed up member list to manually invite them to the new group. files and photos would have

to be downloaded and transferred individually, for that I would have needed help. But now it is done

and over, several other list owners have contacted me about the transfer, I am helping them as much as

I can. For every quitter there have been three thank yous. Many have been from overseas members, I did not

realize how difficult the YG problems had been for those in the Southern Hemisphere.

As for me, now it is a tremendous relief; like I had just crossed a rope bridge over chasm just before it collapsed.

An Indiana Jones moment.

FWIW Worry about the transfer made it more difficult than it was; however fear of trying to recover what might be

lost in the collapse of YG is what made me do it. We are glad we moved before we couldn't. Some lists that count

me as a member are not worth moving; RnR was.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80294	From: race944t	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: operating dump and log car truck failures

The Lionel part numbers are:

Power truck: 640849060

Pickup truck: (with pickup arm) 640002050

"Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80295	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Plasticville

Greetings!
Am searching for the side of the Plasticville Cathedral .... A finger of the slot has disappeared .... prefer not to glue for transport. This is a white white, in color, as opposed to a yellow white.
Thanks for any help you can provide
and best wishes,
Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80296	From: richs009	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

Ken and/or this group moderator -- I'm somewhat confused by your post -- if only because this group (S-trains) is obviously also a Yahoo group, which as far as i can tell, seems to be working... Has it been migrated to some sort of newer YG or ??

Is your post just meant to be an FYI or is it some sort of warning shot...?

From one of your S-trains moderators, Ed Eckert.

I view all posts submitted. From my position, the only problem I do see is that some posts seem to be delayed to the internet. All photos do get posted. I receive everything in email form which had been stated by yahoo a few years back as the optimum way to use yahoo groups. This was from the group moderators central forum that seems to have been dropped by yahoo a few years back. As for membership, anybody who requests deletion from the group. no problem. Your moderators receive notification from yahoo that they have been removed. So, as long as you do email everything works, but if you do anything else it may not be the same. I do read the posts after I have approved them and have not seen anything different from what I approved. I also do not delete my requests for moderation until I see the post.

I will continue with the present format and if you're having a problem with how you receive your content, I would suggest you change to email.

Thank you for your membership,

Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80297	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

Ed,
It was a FYI. Yahoo was sold to Verizon last year, YahooGroups was supposed to be spun-off. YG told me zilch as list owner/moderator.
I belong to 13 YG lists most if not all have been having YG support issues. Most common was an inability to post photos in the Photos section,
however we could still post them under Files. For most of a day I lost access to all messages when on the web page, for all groups not just the
lists I own. I couldn't access membership files for lists I moderate. There were a lot of complaints. I knew on S-trains that I have moderated posting
privileges as it takes about a day for my posts to be distributed. YG also never lists S-trains as one of my lists with recent activity and as a result
it is moved to the back page of my groups. I get the posts as single e-mails, so I know the list is more active than displayed. YG at least is continuing
to deliver single e-mails. Overall there is a lot of distrust of YG support and commitment to the future. There is a lot of back channel chatter about
an impending implosion/shutdown. Active YG lists should at least prepare for that eventuality and download their member lists to use to invite members
to a new group elsewhere. I chose groups.io because it was developed and maintained by the developer of what is now YahooGroups (no longer maintained).

I put out the FYI because the developer is having increasing difficulty transferring group databases due to YG instability and has indicated that these
transfers may have to end in the near future. Our group needed to make the move while we still could. This has been under consideration since last
summer when I created the shadow list on groups.io The owner of one of my favorite YG lists is willing to let his YG list die and start anew, his choice;
I offered an alternative and an offer to help. I owed the lists I value at least that much. The list transfer reinvigorated what had already been an active group,
message traffic yesterday was more than some months on YG. Fortunately I don't moderate all posts.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: richs009@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 24, 2018 11:13 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

From one of your S-trains moderators, Ed Eckert.

I will continue with the present format and if you're having a problem with how you receive your content, I would suggest you change to email.

Thank you for your membership,

Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80298	From: Tom	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

Kenneth,

Thank you for the hard work in keeping this group going and up-to-date. Most of us in the group don’t know what goes on behind the scenes and how and when things get improved. Thanks for the update and for putting in the time.

Tom Detmer

Madison

On Jan 24, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ed,
It was a FYI. Yahoo was sold to Verizon last year, YahooGroups was supposed to be spun-off. YG told me zilch as list owner/moderator.
I belong to 13 YG lists most if not all have been having YG support issues. Most common was an inability to post photos in the Photos section,
however we could still post them under Files. For most of a day I lost access to all messages when on the web page, for all groups not just the
lists I own. I couldn't access membership files for lists I moderate. There were a lot of complaints. I knew on S-trains that I have moderated posting
privileges as it takes about a day for my posts to be distributed.. YG also never lists S-trains as one of my lists with recent activity and as a result
it is moved to the back page of my groups. I get the posts as single e-mails, so I know the list is more active than displayed. YG at least is continuing
to deliver single e-mails. Overall there is a lot of distrust of YG support and commitment to the future. There is a lot of back channel chatter about
an impending implosion/shutdown. Active YG lists should at least prepare for that eventuality and download their member lists to use to invite members
to a new group elsewhere. I chose groups.io because it was developed and maintained by the developer of what is now YahooGroups (no longer maintained).

I put out the FYI because the developer is having increasing difficulty transferring group databases due to YG instability and has indicated that these
transfers may have to end in the near future. Our group needed to make the move while we still could. This has been under consideration since last
summer when I created the shadow list on groups.io The owner of one of my favorite YG lists is willing to let his YG list die and start anew, his choice;
I offered an alternative and an offer to help. I owed the lists I value at least that much. The list transfer reinvigorated what had already been an active group,
message traffic yesterday was more than some months on YG. Fortunately I don't moderate all posts.

When you think outside the box,
You are out of the loop.
Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: richs009@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 24, 2018 11:13 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

Ken and/or this group moderator -- I'm somewhat confused by your post -- if only because this group (S-trains) is obviously also a Yahoo group, which as far as i can tell, seems to be working... Has it been migrated to some sort of newer YG or ??

Is your post just meant to be an FYI or is it some sort of warning shot...?

From one of your S-trains moderators, Ed Eckert.

I view all posts submitted. From my position, the only problem I do see is that some posts seem to be delayed to the internet. All photos do get posted. I receive everything in email form which had been stated by yahoo a few years back as the optimum way to use yahoo groups. This was from the group moderators central forum that seems to have been dropped by yahoo a few years back. As for membership, anybody who requests deletion from the group. no problem. Your moderators receive notification from yahoo that they have been removed. So, as long as you do email everything works, but if you do anything else it may not be the same. I do read the posts after I have approved them and have not seen anything different from what I approved. I also do not delete my requests for moderation until I see the post.

I will continue with the present format and if you're having a problem with how you receive your content, I would suggest you change to email.

Thank you for your membership,
Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80299	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: G Guage streets at Walmart

Attachments :

S Gauge street.jpg

I cut out white paper from the dollar store the width of the white lines on the edge and then cut out black paper 4 inches to lay on top of the white to make curves or more black paper to make streets or streets with parking parking.

Jim Sleeth

@@attachment@@

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80300	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

Tom,
Thanks, but I was slow to arrive. Today I found this UK link about YG dysfunction. Seems it started to get worse in November; took me a month to notice...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/27/yahoo_groups_outages/

^*That's a Total Inability To Support Usual Postings

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 24, 2018 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] List at YahooGroups & groups.io

Kenneth,

Tom Detmer

Madison

On Jan 24, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ed,
It was a FYI. Yahoo was sold to Verizon last year, YahooGroups was supposed to be spun-off. YG told me zilch as list owner/moderator.
I belong to 13 YG lists most if not all have been having YG support issues. Most common was an inability to post photos in the Photos section,
however we could still post them under Files. For most of a day I lost access to all messages when on the web page, for all groups not just the
lists I own. I couldn't access membership files for lists I moderate. There were a lot of complaints. I knew on S-trains that I have moderated posting
privileges as it takes about a day for my posts to be distributed.. YG also never lists S-trains as one of my lists with recent activity and as a result
it is moved to the back page of my groups. I get the posts as single e-mails, so I know the list is more active than displayed. YG at least is continuing
to deliver single e-mails. Overall there is a lot of distrust of YG support and commitment to the future. There is a lot of back channel chatter about
an impending implosion/shutdown. Active YG lists should at least prepare for that eventuality and download their member lists to use to invite members
to a new group elsewhere. I chose groups.io because it was developed and maintained by the developer of what is now YahooGroups (no longer maintained).

I put out the FYI because the developer is having increasing difficulty transferring group databases due to YG instability and has indicated that these
transfers may have to end in the near future. Our group needed to make the move while we still could.. This has been under consideration since last
summer when I created the shadow list on groups.io The owner of one of my favorite YG lists is willing to let his YG list die and start anew, his choice;
I offered an alternative and an offer to help. I owed the lists I value at least that much. The list transfer reinvigorated what had already been an active group,
message traffic yesterday was more than some months on YG. Fortunately I don't moderate all posts.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: richs009@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 24, 2018 11:13 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

Ken and/or this group moderator -- I'm somewhat confused by your post -- if only because this group (S-trains) is obviously also a Yahoo group, which as far as i can tell, seems to be working... Has it been migrated to some sort of newer YG or ??

Is your post just meant to be an FYI or is it some sort of warning shot...?

From one of your S-trains moderators, Ed Eckert.

I view all posts submitted. From my position, the only problem I do see is that some posts seem to be delayed to the internet. All photos do get posted. I receive everything in email form which had been stated by yahoo a few years back as the optimum way to use yahoo groups. This was from the group moderators central forum that seems to have been dropped by yahoo a few years back. As for membership, anybody who requests deletion from the group. no problem. Your moderators receive notification from yahoo that they have been removed. So, as long as you do email everything works, but if you do anything else it may not be the same. I do read the posts after I have approved them and have not seen anything different from what I approved. I also do not delete my requests for moderation until I see the post.

I will continue with the present format and if you're having a problem with how you receive your content, I would suggest you change to email.

Thank you for your membership,

Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80301	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Did I post G instread of S Gauge roads on my post?

Attachments :

S Gauge street-80301.jpg

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80302	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Did I post G instread of S Gauge roads on my post? [1 Attachment

Who is selling this item?

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 7:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Did I post G instread of S Gauge roads on my post? [1 Attachment]

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80303	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Re: Did I post G instread of S Gauge roads on my post?

And why are the lines on the edge of the strip instead of in the center? I am not sure I understand what Jim meant in the original post. Black paper over white paper?

Dale Smith

On 1/24/2018 4:42 PM, Larry Moore mo2337@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Who is selling this item?

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80304	From: Mike Vana	Date: 1/24/2018
Subject: Looking for S Helper F3 parts

I bought some used S Helper Service F3’s, with no boxes or extra parts. They had truck

mounted AF compatible couplers. I want to change them to body mounted Kadee couplers,

and they don’t have the brackets that screw onto the frame to hold those. Also, the B

unit has free rolling wheels but also has a motor. After taking it apart I found that the

gears in the trucks are missing. Fortunately the wheelsets still have gears.

So if anybody has four coupler brackets and gears for F3’s for sale, or knows where I can

buy some, please let me know. If the gears from the switchers are the same as those used

in F3’s, I may have a source for gears.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80305	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Looking for S Helper F3 parts

Daves twacks and twains bought the SHelper repair parts but he moved out west and does not answer his emails. Maybe do a search and you might find a phone number. Chris B

ice loading station 72.jpg

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:11 AM, 'Mike Vana' amflyer@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I bought some used S Helper Service F3’s, with no boxes or extra parts. They had truck

mounted AF compatible couplers. I want to change them to body mounted Kadee couplers,

and they don’t have the brackets that screw onto the frame to hold those. Also, the B

unit has free rolling wheels but also has a motor. After taking it apart I found that the

gears in the trucks are missing. Fortunately the wheelsets still have gears.

So if anybody has four coupler brackets and gears for F3’s for sale, or knows where I can

buy some, please let me know. If the gears from the switchers are the same as those used

in F3’s, I may have a source for gears.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80306	From: wjgill1	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Looking for S Helper F3 parts

Question may be better put and get quicker results on the "showcaseline" group. Parts inventory from SHS sold to Clay Buckage in California when SHS went out of business.

Or, contact Clay directly:

From a December 4, 2017 post:

Yes, we are open.
Filling orders and doing repairs of all kinds.
New phone number is 925-330-0996 or
Clay at davestnt dot com

Good luck,

Bill, Kelso, WA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80307	From: damills18055	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Plasticville

My best luck in obtaining PV parts has been with Tom Landis who has an extensive inventory. He is a vendor at York twice a year just inside the Blue Hall to the right of the entrance from the foyer. Another suggestion is Scott and Dave Horner who also carry an extensive inventory. They often attend Greenberg Shows in and around the Philly area as well as York inside the Orange Hall. Are you by chance a PV Collector Member? As a member of the PV Collector's Group, you are privy to parts that other members share amongst themselves. For the minimal $8 per year dues, it might be worth it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80308	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Looking for S Helper F3 parts

I think I am down to one extra plastic bracket. In a pinch, perhaps you could fabricate your own from styrene-- a nuisance but doable.

Since the wheelsets for the F units and switchers differ (oiffset gears on the F units, different journal bearings), probably the internal gears also differ.

At the least you'd end up respacing switcher gears on their shafts.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Mike Vana' amflyer@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 11:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for S Helper F3 parts

I bought some used S Helper Service F3’s, with no boxes or extra parts. They had truck

mounted AF compatible couplers. I want to change them to body mounted Kadee couplers,

and they don’t have the brackets that screw onto the frame to hold those. Also, the B

unit has free rolling wheels but also has a motor. After taking it apart I found that the

gears in the trucks are missing. Fortunately the wheelsets still have gears.

So if anybody has four coupler brackets and gears for F3’s for sale, or knows where I can

buy some, please let me know. If the gears from the switchers are the same as those used

in F3’s, I may have a source for gears.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80309	From: tennsgauger	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

I regret that so many are having problems reading their Yahoogroup mail, including attachments.

For some reason I have not had these problems and I belong to about a dozen yahoogroups. I read my mail through AOL Desktop. My PC has Windows 10.

Why am I not experiencing problems while others are, other than that I am living right (Ha) ?

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

In a message dated 1/24/2018 1:43:46 PM Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Ken and/or this group moderator -- I'm somewhat confused by your post -- if only because this group (S-trains) is obviously also a Yahoo group, which as far as i can tell, seems to be working... Has it been migrated to some sort of newer YG or ??

Is your post just meant to be an FYI or is it some sort of warning shot...?

From one of your S-trains moderators, Ed Eckert.

I view all posts submitted. From my position, the only problem I do see is that some posts seem to be delayed to the internet. All photos do get posted. I receive everything in email form which had been stated by yahoo a few years back as the optimum way to use yahoo groups. This was from the group moderators central forum that seems to have been dropped by yahoo a few years back. As for membership, anybody who requests deletion from the group. no problem. Your moderators receive notification from yahoo that they have been removed. So, as long as you do email everything works, but if you do anything else it may not be the same. I do read the posts after I have approved them and have not seen anything different from what I approved. I also do not delete my requests for moderation until I see the post.

I will continue with the present format and if you're having a problem with how you receive your content, I would suggest you change to email.

Thank you for your membership,

Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80310	From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: FOR SALE

Attachments :

greasy spoon cafe 72.jpg

fallberg station 72.jpg

atsf interlocking tower kit 72.jpg

Four S kits: Two opened for inspection, two in original shrink wrap. Selling these at about 50% off new.

Will sell individually, however, you get a better deal all one money :)

1-ATSF Interlocking tower: A limited edition kit------------------------------------$50.00

1-Fallberg Station: A really cool little station! I have build one in O, one in S.

Goes goes together easy peasy.--------------------------------------------------$25.00

1-Bud Ice Co.-------------------------------------------------------------------------$25.00

1-Kathy’s Greasy Spoon Cafe-Whimsical, goes together with ease-------------$25.00

Buy all FOUR for $100, plus $15 shipping to the lower 48.

Individual kits $5 shipping to lower 48.

I take Pay Pal, OR, a personal check, but I hold check until it clears.

Roy Inman

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80311	From: Carey	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

I have no issues either but I never go to the Yahoo site, just use the email feature.

Carey Probst
Pennsyltucky RR
Chief MicroFerroEquinologist

On 1/25/2018 10:18 AM, tennsgauge@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I regret that so many are having problems reading their Yahoogroup mail, including attachments.

For some reason I have not had these problems and I belong to about a dozen yahoogroups. I read my mail through AOL Desktop. My PC has Windows 10.

Why am I not experiencing problems while others are, other than that I am living right (Ha) ?

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

In a message dated 1/24/2018 1:43:46 PM Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Ken and/or this group moderator -- I'm somewhat confused by your post -- if only because this group (S-trains) is obviously also a Yahoo group, which as far as i can tell, seems to be working... Has it been migrated to some sort of newer YG or ??

Is your post just meant to be an FYI or is it some sort of warning shot...?

From one of your S-trains moderators, Ed Eckert.

I view all posts submitted. From my position, the only problem I do see is that some posts seem to be delayed to the internet. All photos do get posted. I receive everything in email form which had been stated by yahoo a few years back as the optimum way to use yahoo groups. This was from the group moderators central forum that seems to have been dropped by yahoo a few years back. As for membership, anybody who requests deletion from the group. no problem. Your moderators receive notification from yahoo that they have been removed. So, as long as you do email everything works, but if you do anything else it may not be the same. I do read the posts after I have approved them and have not seen anything different from what I approved. I also do not delete my requests for moderation until I see the post.

I will continue with the present format and if you're having a problem with how you receive your content, I would suggest you change to email.

Thank you for your membership,

Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80312	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Plasticville

Donald,

I was not able to find these folks on the web. Do you have contact information?

Thanks,

Charlie

On Jan 25, 2018, at 4:56 AM, donald.mills@... [S-Trains] wrote:

My best luck in obtaining PV parts has been with Tom Landis who has an extensive inventory. He is a vendor at York twice a year just inside the Blue Hall to the right of the entrance from the foyer. Another suggestion is Scott and Dave Horner who also carry an extensive inventory. They often attend Greenberg Shows in and around the Philly area as well as York inside the Orange Hall. Are you by chance a PV Collector Member? As a member of the PV Collector's Group, you are privy to parts that other members share amongst themselves. For the minimal $8 per year dues, it might be worth it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80313	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

Earl,
I can't explain why you are so lucky. S-trains has always been a day late for me to receive e-mails after they posted.
I get single e-mails, on much less active groups I get the Digest version. The delay is why I thought my posts were moderated,
as a moderator I am not working my lists 24/7 and I don't expect other moderators to do any different.
AS far as YahooGroups working fine, it seems only the active posters (the 10%) notice such things as YG being off line for
6, 12, 24 hours, or having to post photos into files because posting in photos would not work. I had thought that the problems
started in early December, but I was wrong. YG users had been complaining in October about Yahoo Groups 'TITSUP*'
problem.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/27/yahoo_groups_outages/

I would suggest list owners and moderators join Yahoo! Groups manager's forum

so that they stay informed. I joined a similar forum on groups.io several months before

I moved my list. Didn't take long for me to realize how ignorant I was about the current

YG situation. The first thing I did was to download the list of subscribers, so that when YG

failed I could contact all the subscribers and tell them what the group was working on to

recover. Investigate places to land, if you are brave poll the subscribers; while I found out

there were 2-3% who didn't want to move I also found out that ten times as many didn't want to

go to Facebook.

^*That's a Total Inability To Support Usual Postings

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: tennsgauge@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 25, 2018 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

I regret that so many are having problems reading their Yahoogroup mail, including attachments.

For some reason I have not had these problems and I belong to about a dozen yahoogroups. I read my mail through AOL Desktop. My PC has Windows 10.

Why am I not experiencing problems while others are, other than that I am living right (Ha) ?

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

In a message dated 1/24/2018 1:43:46 PM Central Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Ken and/or this group moderator -- I'm somewhat confused by your post -- if only because this group (S-trains) is obviously also a Yahoo group, which as far as i can tell, seems to be working... Has it been migrated to some sort of newer YG or ??

Is your post just meant to be an FYI or is it some sort of warning shot....?

From one of your S-trains moderators, Ed Eckert.

I view all posts submitted. From my position, the only problem I do see is that some posts seem to be delayed to the internet. All photos do get posted. I receive everything in email form which had been stated by yahoo a few years back as the optimum way to use yahoo groups. This was from the group moderators central forum that seems to have been dropped by yahoo a few years back. As for membership, anybody who requests deletion from the group. no problem. Your moderators receive notification from yahoo that they have been removed. So, as long as you do email everything works, but if you do anything else it may not be the same. I do read the posts after I have approved them and have not seen anything different from what I approved. I also do not delete my requests for moderation until I see the post.

I will continue with the present format and if you're having a problem with how you receive your content, I would suggest you change to email.

Thank you for your membership,

Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80314	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: List at YahooGroups & groups.io

I, too, have had no problems. My browser is google chrome with Windows 10 on a Toshiba Satellite laptop.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80315	From: bobville	Date: 1/25/2018
Subject: Re: Plasticville

Donald , email me at aflines@... I sell original and repo parts for plasticville. Bob BOBBYLINE PARTS
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----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:29:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Plasticville

Donald,
I was not able to find these folks on the web. Do you have contact information?
Thanks,
Charlie

On Jan 25, 2018, at 4:56 AM, donald.mills@... [S-Trains] wrote:

> My best luck in obtaining PV parts has been with Tom Landis who has an extensive inventory. He is a vendor at York twice a year just inside the Blue Hall to the right of the entrance from the foyer. Another suggestion is Scott and Dave Horner who also carry an extensive inventory. They often attend Greenberg Shows in and around the Philly area as well as York inside the Orange Hall. Are you by chance a PV Collector Member? As a member of the PV Collector's Group, you are privy to parts that other members share amongst themselves. For the minimal $8 per year dues, it might be worth it.
>
>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80316	From: Bill Lane	Date: 1/26/2018
Subject: American Models N&W caboose

Does anyone have a American Models wood caboose painted for Norfolk & Western that could be for sale? Scale or hi rail it does not matter. If it is hi rail you can keep the wheels and couplers. I know it is a foobie for N&W but I need a caboose for my Y3. I could squint and say good enough. It would get it done fast and cheaply.

The other extreme long shot is someone made a N&W caboose. That could be interesting.

If not I will get a new one from American Models at some point.

Please reply directly. My PayPal awaits…..

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Models.htm
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

See my layout progress at:

http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80317	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/29/2018
Subject: Yahoo'd

It would appear that it's not just members here who come to the group or get there posts by e-mail. This same thing seems to be happening all over Yahoo Groups. I'm on several Groups and know various members also by e-mail contact, and the problem is random and widespread. No category of Group is working right, not trains, cars, sports, etc. Here's what I have collected so far:

Since the holidays, Yahoo groups have been loading VERY slowly and in some cases refuse to load. But a day or two later they load, or load incomplete.

People write posts, but they never appear on the Group, as if they were diverted to the Bermuda Triangle.

Posts show up on the home page, but are blank when you go to read them.

Group home pages go for days showing "no activity in the past seven days" but suddenly come up showing that there HAS been activity and posts during that period after all.

This is the sort of thing that drives people away. Yahoo did a big change a few years back that required everyone to use only Win 10. It not only didn't work, but they lost a LOT of Groups and members, so I this isn't another ill advised move along those lines.

Could a hacker or hacker group be attacking? Are they having trouble with their headquarters equipment? Are they aware of the problem? Are they doing anything about it?

There are still a large number of members who prefer Yahoo groups over social media, so I hope this problem is solved soon!

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80318	From: paul	Date: 1/29/2018
Subject: 2018 S spree in Dayton, Ohio

Attachments :

Folks, my name is Paul Rinehart, a member of the Miami Valley S Gaugers here in Dayton. I have been much more a lurker than participant on this list for several years but now I come to fellow S enthusiasts with a couple of questions.
first I wish to throw out a reminder of the May "S" spree http://www.trainweb.org/mvsg/Spree18/spree18.html
as I understand, participant and vendor registrations are both on track, matching or passing past sprees so it should be a great weekend for "S" trains, sharing, greeting old and new friends, and fun.
this will be my third time as clinic coordinator and since we are such a varied group, I thought maybe social media would be a place to do something different. I'm hunting thoughts and opinions on what folks might like to see covered in the clinics. please take a minute and if there is something that has been neglected or you need more information about, let me know and we will see if we can get it done. anyone with a wish to learn something "S" please respond, even ideas from those who cannot attend, darn it, are welcome too. some are too shy to speak up but if YOU ask I guarantee there that others will come close to get the answers.
in the same vein, is there anyone planning to attend that has information to share and would give a clinic? do you find yourself doing something differently, easier, cheaper, quicker, more realistic? maybe we will get several requests for your expertise and I can do the job of putting this information in front of hungry, inquisitive minds. coordinating becomes easy when the slots and tabs line up and are labeled.
looking forward to hearing from many of you, we can go off list. thnx in advance, Paul dilly@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80319	From: beebear	Date: 1/30/2018
Subject: Re: Yahoo'd

I agree Terry ! I may be following a particular ongoing subject, then all of a sudden the it may skip a day and the original question was answered but I didn’t see it in my mail.

John Frankforther

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 3:59 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Yahoo'd

Since the holidays, Yahoo groups have been loading VERY slowly and in some cases refuse to load. But a day or two later they load, or load incomplete.

People write posts, but they never appear on the Group, as if they were diverted to the Bermuda Triangle.

Posts show up on the home page, but are blank when you go to read them.

Group home pages go for days showing "no activity in the past seven days" but suddenly come up showing that there HAS been activity and posts during that period after all.

Could a hacker or hacker group be attacking? Are they having trouble with their headquarters equipment? Are they aware of the problem? Are they doing anything about it?

There are still a large number of members who prefer Yahoo groups over social media, so I hope this problem is solved soon!

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80320	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 1/30/2018
Subject: Norway Live train ride from cab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhPYnvZmFQA

Nice train cab view of Norway…..

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80321	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 1/30/2018
Subject: Re: Yahoo'd

Stumpy and others, time to move on. Come and join us on Face book on the S Helper /American Models and other 1/64th scale/gauge trains. Also a ton of AF groups.

Stumpy, I havent forgotten the tender, but it isboxedready to ship somewhere in my garage or shed since we moved in Sept. Chris. B

http://scmodelworks.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=39_40&product_id=280

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:05 PM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

It would appear that it's not just members here who come to the group or get there posts by e-mail. This same thing seems to be happening all over Yahoo Groups. I'm on several Groups and know various members also by e-mail contact, and the problem is random and widespread. No category of Group is working right, not trains, cars, sports, etc. Here's what I have collected so far:

Since the holidays, Yahoo groups have been loading VERY slowly and in some cases refuse to load. But a day or two later they load, or load incomplete.

People write posts, but they never appear on the Group, as if they were diverted to the Bermuda Triangle.

Posts show up on the home page, but are blank when you go to read them.

Group home pages go for days showing "no activity in the past seven days" but suddenly come up showing that there HAS been activity and posts during that period after all.

This is the sort of thing that drives people away. Yahoo did a big change a few years back that required everyone to use only Win 10. It not only didn't work, but they lost a LOT of Groups and members, so I this isn't another ill advised move along those lines.

Could a hacker or hacker group be attacking? Are they having trouble with their headquarters equipment? Are they aware of the problem? Are they doing anything about it?

There are still a large number of members who prefer Yahoo groups over social media, so I hope this problem is solved soon!

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80322	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 1/30/2018
Subject: Re: Did I post G instread of S Gauge roads on my post?

I could not glue white lines on black paper so I put smaller black paper over larger white paper. I could not find any more road tape for months.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80323	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: RailMaster GE Boxcab Kit

I ended up with two of the kits, one of which I hope to build as S standard gage, although it is really designed primarily for three-foot,

as I am happy with the two Leetown brass O scale standard gage locomotives I own.

The kit is designed to use a NWSL PDT (no longer produced, as I understand), and I bought one with the intention of replacing the

axles for standard gage, either through my own efforts or perhaps ordering replacements from NWSL. As I got more involved in

working on the kit, however, I came up against the problem that the PDT wheelbase is far narrower than the RailMaster sideframe

spacing, with no obvious fix. Has anyone else solved this?

Another list member used a Hollywood foundry Black Beetle drive, but they are not currently accepting new orders.

I do expect to need surgery on the pilots for S standard gage, as they seem designed for the Sn3 norm of Kadee HO's. There is no

room for even modified Kadee 800 couplers, so I intend using SHS Kadee-compatible, as I've used for my River Raisin brass 44-tonners.

The RRM locomotives were imported with the idea of using Kadee HO couplers, but there is just room for proper SHS couplers if one

shaves a bit off the rear of the draft gear.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80324	From: beebear	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: 2018 S spree in Dayton, Ohio

Attachments :

Hi Paul

Would it be possible to record the clinics and post online? Sometimes we can attend but I always seem to miss the clinics.

Different people may ask different questions than I would.

Just asking!

John Frankforther

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 4:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 2018 S spree in Dayton, Ohio

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80325	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: 2018 Spring S Spree

Paul, you've set yourself a tough task in finding subjects not covered at the Spring S Sprees! One thing that can be counted upon at every Spree, no matter where they are, is that there are always good clinics. Perhaps that is because there can be so many subjects to be covered.

This is a unique scale/gauge that presents "toy," "hi-rail," "scale," and narrow gauge, has a modeling and collecting component, and is relatively free of rivet counters compared to other scales/gauges. There is always room for new folks to S, and they can get help with any question they ask, no matter what their focus. I even did several clinics at various Sprees on rebuilding and customizing old Flyer for the spectacularly small number of people interested in that facet of the hobby.

I've enjoyed the clinics on Gilbert slot cars and Erector sets over the years because I have other hobbies that connect as well to those things as the trains do. Info about the Operating Accessories particularly adjustment and repair would be good, and info and tips about building things is always a interesting. While I'm not into collecting there are a LOT of people who are, and some direction about evaluating conditions and what realistic prices are would be a good subject I'm sure. And of course new techniques or information is always welcome.

I don't miss a Spring S Spree, and as usual, I'll be there with a small display layout equipped with the usual unique stuff, and MAYBE a few things to sell, though my cupboard is getting bare.

Stumpy Stone In Ahia (that's the part of Ohio on the edge of the Appalachian Mountains that some folks think is West Virginia) :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80326	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Evaluation of trains

And his response on the S Spree, Stumpy raised a point that I should've asked question a long time ago. How do you evaluate a car that's been sitting in the box in the garage for decades, is in legitimate C-8 Like New condition, except has rust on one axle, or one step is half broken away? In the overall scheme of things, those seem like relatively minor flaws, but a strict interpretation of the TCA guidelines indicates they knock the car down to C-4 or C-5. That seems pretty severe to me. What do you all think?

On Jan 30, 2018, at 8:02 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

... some direction about evaluating conditions and what realistic prices are would be a good subject I'm sure.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80327	From: race944t	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of trains

Evaluation of old Gilbert trains that have sat in the garage for years but have a partial broken step or slight rust on one side command a reduction in value despite the lettering being excellent. A broken step or rust is by definition broken or rusty. Now I could argue that there would be a collector value that would take a huge hit and an operator value that might not take such a huge hit because of perfect lettering. My gut tells me that broken steps and rust still dramatically hurt value in either case.

“Banker” Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80328	From: roninscho	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of trains

I left the T C A after being a member for over 30 years , because I was tired of them telling Me what they thought My trains were worth , In this respect they have not done anybody a favor . I know what they are worth to Me .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80329	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Steam locomotive kit bash

Does anyone know if is a ROYAL PITA to kitbash between an American Models Northern and a Flyonel Northern. For example the American Models version has Baker valve gear and I need Walshaerts which the Flyonel has. The Flyonel version has spoked drivers and the AM has box pox. I think the best but maybe not the easiest would be to just adapt the valve gear from Flyonel to AM. Would this be too big of a project?

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80330	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of trains

I guess it depends on what aspect of trains one wishes to choose. If collecting toy trains is a primary interest, collecting criteria are an obvious

result of that part of the hobby.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80331	From: paul	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: 2018 S spree in Dayton, Ohio

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John,
I am pretty sure they will be listed on the web site http://www.trainweb.org/mvsg/Spree18/spree18.html under "schedule" as we get them set up. if not, I will be sure to post a list, description, and time here.

Miami Valley S Gaugers as a club might have our own page coming soon. posting the clinics isn't something I had thought about, youtube is another possibility. I certainly will bring it up, thank you. OPPORTUNITY, do we have someone out there with experience willing to do our first clinic of the Spree on this topic? just an introduction of equipment that works best, software, maybe editing, publishing? some of us might wish to save something to our personal computers or burn to a portable DVD or thumb drive. what a great suggestion, please someone help me run with it, it's not something I have tried.

one that I am pretty sure is coming is:

Clinic title: Welcome to the wonderful world of S Gauge!

Brief description: Are you new to S gauge? Feeling a bit overwhelmed by some of the jargon and choices. Then join us for an introductory discussion on the world of S gauge trains, the basic terms and initial decisions you will face.

we figure this for Saturday morning or noon time to hopefully catch new or undecided folks. presenter Ray Garbee says if we miss the target we can always have a round table discussion on Kaydees VS weighted link couplers or ?? whatever we can do to help one another. Paul

On 1/29/2018 7:50 PM, 'beebear' beebear@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Hi Paul

Would it be possible to record the clinics and post online? Sometimes we can attend but I always seem to miss the clinics.

Different people may ask different questions than I would.

Just asking!

John Frankforther

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Subject: [S-Trains] 2018 S spree in Dayton, Ohio

Folks, my name is Paul Rinehart, a member of the Miami Valley S Gaugers here in Dayton. I have been much more a lurker than participant on this list for several years but now I come to fellow S enthusiasts with a couple of questions..
first I wish to throw out a reminder of the May "S" spree http://www.trainweb.org/mvsg/Spree18/spree18.html
as I understand, participant and vendor registrations are both on track, matching or passing past sprees so it should be a great weekend for "S" trains, sharing, greeting old and new friends, and fun.
this will be my third time as clinic coordinator and since we are such a varied group, I thought maybe social media would be a place to do something different. I'm hunting thoughts and opinions on what folks might like to see covered in the clinics. please take a minute and if there is something that has been neglected or you need more information about, let me know and we will see if we can get it done. anyone with a wish to learn something "S" please respond, even ideas from those who cannot attend, darn it, are welcome too. some are too shy to speak up but if YOU ask I guarantee there that others will come close to get the answers.
in the same vein, is there anyone planning to attend that has information to share and would give a clinic? do you find yourself doing something differently, easier, cheaper, quicker, more realistic? maybe we will get several requests for your expertise and I can do the job of putting this information in front of hungry, inquisitive minds. coordinating becomes easy when the slots and tabs line up and are labeled.
looking forward to hearing from many of you, we can go off list. thnx in advance, Paul dilly@...

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80332	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of Trains

For an "old" train to have the "Mint" rating, it would have to be as boxed at the factory and in perfect condition. Below that, it should at least be complete, undamaged, and no rust for a top rating. Lower levels is where the questions seem to creep in. Everyone has their own bias when it comes to price vs. condition. Naturally, sellers almost always rate their items higher than they are worth, and buyers are always looking for a deal and feel exactly the opposite.

I'm not a collector, I rebuild junk steam locomotives or buy what I can if I feel the price is reasonable for me to pay. I avoid really rare and collectable stuff because it SHOULD survive, and the price is usually obscenely high anyway. On the other hand I WILL buy a very rare item if it is in pieces, incomplete, and in a junk box. I still pay only what I think it is worth to me for rebuilding, and usually collectors don't want it by then anyway.

Unfortunately, even THAT got me into trouble! (Some of you have heard this story before.) I had bought an 0-8-0 in a junk box, paying $35 for the whole box of stuff. Basically it was just a chassis, a battered loco shell and the side rods on one side. It took me two years to find most of the missing parts, I had to use a common plastic tender, and I made the handrails and such. I had to make a new pilot as I couldn't find one, so I took the opportunity to make one from scratch, but built it to fit with the original screw but with a Putt Trains pilot truck to make the engine a 2-8-0. The final paint job was more prototypical in "Loco Black" with silver graphited smokebox, Tuscan red cab roof and tender deck, and the bell and all railings were "brass" colored.

The very first show I took my "2-8-0 Consolidation" to, one older guy invited me into the parking lot for "a thrashing" because I had "butchered up a collectable train." No amount of explaining that it was junk when I got it would satisfy the guy. And because of him, I got the tongue in cheek nickname "The Mad Butcher" for a few years at Spring S Sprees!

I've rebuilt and "kit bashed" at least one of every old Flyer steamer and they all started as junk or really cheap due to condition. I have also worked for a few car dealers and I would suggest that the TCA use a system similar to the National Automobile Dealers Association. With the NADA, once an item reaches a certain level of age and wear there is no set price anymore. NADA traditionally carried cars "on the books" until they were over six model years old and then it was whatever you could sell them for. Among dealers, these cars were generally sent to the auction or a local low buck "Doggie Lot" to be sold.

Perhaps old trains should be handled the same way?

Stumpy Stone In Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80333	From: Larry Moore	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of trains

Exact reason, I never joined the TCA. I collect and restore original Gilbert Flyer. I have restored several operating accy's, coal loader, magnetic crane, cattle corral, to name a few. I do the same with engines, repainting several, to like new condition. After a couple of TCA members as much as said they were not worth anything, as restored units, I did not want to have anything to do with TCA. When you strip them to bare metal, prime and repaint, they are just as good as new or better, since Gilbert did not prime anything before painting. Just my 2 cents, I will shut-up now.. Have a wonderful time playing with your trains. Larry

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80334	From: grchud	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: 2018 S spree in Dayton, Ohio

Paul,

I would like to suggest, if anyone has experience and knowledge, to give a comprehensive clinic on setting up and using JMRI Decoder Pro and Panel Pro. The clinics needn't be crammed into just one hour each!

Gary Chudzinski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80335	From: trainz4brainz	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of trains

I agree!!!!

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Date: 1/31/18 2:24 PM (GMT-05:00)

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Evaluation of trains

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80336	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of trains

Larry,
While I have more than 30 Flyer steam locomotives (and some diesels) all the old stuff is not collectible (no boxes) But I bought them to run, and I have remotored them to run and I enjoy watching them run.

But I have a much larger collection of scale equipment and in that world there is a similar divide between collectors and operators and valuation disparities. AS an operator I won't buy highly valued junk, like new, in the
box. I know once I fix it to run decently I will have destroyed hundreds of dollars of collector's value. If I can, I won't sell to a collector, it never seems to end well.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80337	From: paul	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: 2018 S spree in Dayton, Ohio

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Gary,
I don't know anyone, I think even our scale fellows are running straight DC w/o fancy stuff but will check around. laptop or computer control might well interest several folks. I realize that the clinics can be split, appreciate the thoughts. are you the expert and going to be able to attend? do you have a suggestion of somebody who is that I might contact and twist an arm? 3 years ago we had a well attended and accepted clinic on advanced Legacy and the tons of toys available with the remote. Paul

On 1/31/2018 4:46 PM, chudgr@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Paul,

I would like to suggest, if anyone has experience and knowledge, to give a comprehensive clinic on setting up and using JMRI Decoder Pro and Panel Pro. The clinics needn't be crammed into just one hour each!

Gary Chudzinski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80338	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Scale values (was Re: Evaluation of trains

Not so much in scale. There, price tends to be a reflection of condition in the same sense of an automobile value decreasing the more it has been driven and how

well (or ill) it was driven and maintained. The reason most mint equipment in scale brings more on resale is that there is less likelihood that it has been monkeyed

with and in need of restoration, not because it is untouched museum quality. Very few locomotives and cars improve their value from having been run or reworked or painted (ESPECIALLY for a private road name--which almost always means stripping and repainting). Started kits will almost never bring more than half of their original price, and that much only for really scarce ones. The difference between a collector and an operator is that the latter more usually is not primarily concerned with whether the item will hold (almost never will it increase--the investment fallacy) its value but how it fits into his railroad concept.

And I make no bones that I will not pay nearly so much for something someone else has worked on, unless it is one of those very rare cases where the previous owner is a famous craftsman who actually has added value. With some modesty, I still find very few other modelers can build something I want as well as I can myself. And it is

like the plumber or auto mechanic who charges considerably more when the owner has tried to fix it first. I need to consider how much extra time, effort, and skill

I shall need to invest to salvage a previously-owned item.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Evaluation of trains

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80339	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of trains

I know everyone thinks it is proper etiquette to clip the original message, but with Yahoo being Yahoo, I never got the original message (which happens quite often) and I don't know what the point of the original poster was. I would appreciate if you at least kept enough of the original so we could see what you are responding to.

Dale Smith

On 1/31/2018 8:26 AM, 'race944t' race944t@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Evaluation of old Gilbert trains that have sat in the garage for years but have a partial broken step or slight rust on one side command a reduction in value despite the lettering being excellent. A broken step or rust is by definition broken or rusty. Now I could argue that there would be a collector value that would take a huge hit and an operator value that might not take such a huge hit because of perfect lettering. My gut tells me that broken steps and rust still dramatically hurt value in either case.

“Banker” Bill Clark

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80340	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of trains

For some reason, I don't even connect TCA with telling me what my trains are worth. They don't do the price guides. Also, if being told that your trains aren't worth what you feel they are worth is offensive and causes you to reject TCA, I think you are selling them short. What you do need TCA for is the history. There is no magazine, commerical or otherwise, that does a better job of that than the Train Collectors Quarterly. Personally, I don't collect mint in box items because they are no fun. You can't run them. (Some won't even take them out of the box.) My collection contains some very nice pieces but they are all runable. While I consider myself a collector and keep them in display cases, All the cases need to be accessible so their contents can be taken to the layout. I can't see why people mount display shelves at 5-8 foot height in the back of 4-5 foot wide train tables with plexiglass screwed into the shelves to protect the trains. Then again, I never cease to marvel at the myriad of ways people approach this hobby.

Dale Smith

On 1/31/2018 9:07 AM, roninscho@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I left the T C A after being a member for over 30 years , because I was tired of them telling Me what they thought My trains were worth , In this respect they have not done anybody a favor . I know what they are worth to Me .

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80341	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Communication -- Re: [S-Trains] Re: Evaluation of trains

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I know everyone thinks it is proper etiquette to clip the original message, but . . . . . . . . . .

> > > > > > > > >

I think it is proper etiquette to quote the original message - at lest the pertinent part of it, so one will know what the answer is an answer to. And in my country, the question comes before the answer.

tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80342	From: Edward Davis	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: 2018 Spring S Spree

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Stupy, yes S gage even if a minority gage covers a lot of ground. I have loads of rapid transit trains built fro scratch and a few scratch built locomotives, all from recycled materials including AF link trucks and regauged HO diesel power trucks. A few examples being sent. thanks for the thoughts. Ed Davis, Boise Idaho

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:02 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Paul, you've set yourself a tough task in finding subjects not covered at the Spring S Sprees! One thing that can be counted upon at every Spree, no matter where they are, is that there are always good clinics. Perhaps that is because there can be so many subjects to be covered.

This is a unique scale/gauge that presents "toy," "hi-rail," "scale," and narrow gauge, has a modeling and collecting component, and is relatively free of rivet counters compared to other scales/gauges. There is always room for new folks to S, and they can get help with any question they ask, no matter what their focus. I even did several clinics at various Sprees on rebuilding and customizing old Flyer for the spectacularly small number of people interested in that facet of the hobby.

I've enjoyed the clinics on Gilbert slot cars and Erector sets over the years because I have other hobbies that connect as well to those things as the trains do. Info about the Operating Accessories particularly adjustment and repair would be good, and info and tips about building things is always a interesting. While I'm not into collecting there are a LOT of people who are, and some direction about evaluating conditions and what realistic prices are would be a good subject I'm sure. And of course new techniques or information is always welcome.

I don't miss a Spring S Spree, and as usual, I'll be there with a small display layout equipped with the usual unique stuff, and MAYBE a few things to sell, though my cupboard is getting bare.

Stumpy Stone In Ahia (that's the part of Ohio on the edge of the Appalachian Mountains that some folks think is West Virginia) :-)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80343	From: Alan Smith	Date: 1/31/2018
Subject: Re: Scale values (was Re: Evaluation of trains

Here’s a challenge for U — all custom constructed. Concept taken from an actual super tanker R X R car.

There was never a car made for “S” like these. They are as long as a 960 series passenger car.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80344	From: damills18055	Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: 2018 S spree in Dayton, Ohio

Unfortunately I am unable to attend this year's event. But I've often wondered about DCC and/or Trainmaster control systems; how they work and how they can be used with the older postwar train equipment. I saw some wonderful videos of the Lionel Trainmaster system, although they used it with Lionel 3-rail items. How well does this work with American Flyer 2-rail? Also, other systems are available that I understand some railroaders have used. How they did so is what baffles me. I guess I need a complete course on what is available, how they work and how they can be used for the old post-war Flyer items. I'm still old school where I connect two wire from tranny to track and run the train. Beyond that, I'm lost but yearn for more.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80345	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of trains

Interesting subject, and interesting the responses given. I both collect and operate my AF—the collecting came about mostly accidentally when I picked up some rather scarce stuff. Also, I was a museum curator, so collecting comes a bit naturally. To say that TCA tells you what your trains are worth is a bit misleading. TCA does try to keep track of values and sets standards of condition for the benefit of their members who are train COLLECTORS—after all, it IS “Toy Train Collectors Association.” Some folks are very interested in trains that are “factory-fresh” and there is a valid reason for that. Only by studying items as produced can one study the manufacturing process, quality control, and marketing for historical study.

True, a locomotive that has been restored is likely better than when it left the factory—which is why, to an historian, the value is gone. Until recently this has not been true in the old car hobby, where pristine restorations are worth much more then unrestored examples—however, this is changing, as “it can only be original once” and folks are now starting to appreciate those cars that have managed to survive relatively untouched to today.

Poor Stumpy got sandbagged by someone who just doesn’t understand that “junkers” can be brought back from the dead, and it’s OK to customize such a “critter”—much like my Royal Blue conversion to a Daylight/Sunbeam loco (SP daylights were 4-8-4s, but some Sunbeams were 4-6-2s)—which came out of 4 junk boxes. Granted, I used a “what if ACG. . .” premise, and everything is era correct—but it is still nothing that was made back then, so its value is only what someone else may be willing to pay for it (IF I wanted to sell it. . NOT!). Now if Stumpy had built the 0-8-0 “as built” it would still have no value to a collector—although it might have value to an operator-just as his conversion would have value.

However, if anyone is collecting/hoarding/saving toy trains as an investment, well, they aren’t! The value goes up AND down depending on the market and the economy, and the current trend is definitely downward!

So, have fun with your trains, in whatever form you have fun doing, operating, collecting, etc.

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80346	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Kit Bash

I'll bet you can guess my opinion! :-) But to be safe from a possible train show "thrashing" let me ask a few questions: 1. Are they collectable? 2. Are they very expensive? 3. Are you sure you can do the required work?

If the answer to number one is "yes" think twice or more before picking up the tools or never take it to a train show. :-) If the answer to number two is "yes" check your bank account or credit card before proceeding. If the answer is "yes" to number three, reach for the Dremel tool and have a good time. To my mind, the most important question is number three because you don't want to end up creating junk box "finds." You're entering new territory with this project.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80347	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: Evaluation of trains

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80348	From: fahrwud	Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Declining functions in Yahoo Groups / moderators

The latest problem I've had (trying a few different browsers) is being unable to post pictures in any Yahoo Group. The ongoing downward spiral of Yahoo is becoming rather pronounced. Are there any contingency plans to move or save group info just in case Yahoo's latest dysfunction does it in? Some other groups are discussing sites like groups.io for example. What thoughts, everyone?

Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80349	From: Ken Clark	Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: Declining functions in Yahoo Groups / moderators

Groups.io stopped transferring databases from YG because of YG file instability preventing full transfers. Transfers have been temporarily halted for six days. 30 groups were in the queue to transfer.

Ken Clark

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On Feb 1, 2018, at 11:38 AM, fahrwud@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The latest problem I've had (trying a few different browsers) is being unable to post pictures in any Yahoo Group. The ongoing downward spiral of Yahoo is becoming rather pronounced. Are there any contingency plans to move or save group info just in case Yahoo's latest dysfunction does it in? Some other groups are discussing sites like groups.io for example. What thoughts, everyone?

Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80350	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Kit Bash

Thanks Stumpy. The answer to the first one is definitely NO....except to myself. The answer to number 2 is not overly and number 3 is it's nothing I can't handle. As far as collectible it depends lol I bought an A-B-A set of Santa Fe F-7's from Eric Reis a few years ago with the intention of stripping the paint and repainting them for Northern Pacific. When my wife saw them and heard what I'd planned she went ballistic......YOU'RE GONNA WHAT??? OH,NO YOU AREN'T......THOSE ARE MINE...and she took them away lol. I wonder if it might be easier to swap American Models box pox drivers for the Flyonel spoked drivers and AM pilot,trailing truck and tender wheels for those on the Flyonel. If the bearings are the same it might work. I may need to get a NWSL wheel puller and driver quartering machine.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:17 PM
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Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80351	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: Declining functions in Yahoo Groups / moderators

Many YG list members haven't been able to post Photos to the Photos section for several months.
Members have been able to post photos in the Files section as a workaround.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

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Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80352	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Kit bash

It may not be as easy as swapping drivers and lead and trailing trucks. You're trying to meld the products of two different manufactures to make one engine. I've found that isn't always possible working with old Gilbert products alone. And that's using the parts from a single manufacturer.

The driver diameter is probably different, the space between drivers also. This means the side rods, driving rods, and valve gear will all be different! The way everything is mounted and connected is also in question. It is doubtful that these two locomotives share anything in common because they were designed to use different parts, by different designers, working for different manufacturers.

Perhaps it would be better to swap the entire shell of one locomotive onto the other? You'll probably find this a challenge as well, but maybe not as high a mountain to climb that trying to change all the parts. But even then, since these are not done to exact scale, or even came off the same drawing board, one may be longer than the other or wider than the other. And obviously all the mounting points will be different.

I'm not telling you that it can't be done but how much time and money are you willing to spend? And will the end product satisfy you or just create a box of parts? Still it's an interesting concept. Best of luck.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80353	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Kit bash

Thanks again Stumpy you've given me some things to ponder. I'm not giving up on the idea just yet. I'm going to study and measure each locomotive until I can either prove It's doable or not. I was hoping Fred Rouse could get S Scale Locomotive and Supply into full production but he ended up selling it. He would have had all the parts I would have needed. Maybe the new owners can get into full production.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

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Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:21 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Steam Locomotive Kit bash

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80354	From: race944t	Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotive Kit Bash

Frankly I would love to see some of Stumpy's work. He took a real beating in this arena a couple years ago. At the time I wanted to ask those beating him up just how many Atlantics or ragged out Pacifics they needed.

I have a basement full of shells, chassis, and tender shells and tender frames in mostly disassembled states. If I have this many I'm sure others do as well. If the collectors want all this stuff, send them to me as I would love to sell them at collector prices. :-) I acquired them from Fred Jester, Joe Haenn and others. I could literally spend the rest of my life trying to match up bodies with chassis and tenders and rebuild them. But why? They would not be original to the Train COLLECTORS (emphasis added) Association. I have other engines that are in much better shape and could ultimately run. It is much better IMHO to take all these parts and sell them so a beloved train that belonged to someone's grandfather will run again or to a kit basher to create something exciting. And before I take a beating here like Stumpy unjustifiably did a few years ago, I don't disassemble them to sell for parts. I don't need to because I'm still trying to sort out what I have from Fred, Joe and others..

As for the collectable stuff. They are toys and supposed to be played with. I have quite a few collectable items that a true collector might be horrified to know that I run and give some exercise to.

So my opinion is they are your trains, they made millions of them It's fun to search and find a new piece or different variation at a reasonable price. Run your trains if you want, put them on a shelf if you want, kit bash the junk to create an exciting piece or even something really strange, but most of all, enjoy them and spread the fun with others especially of a younger generation.

Note to Stumpy... If you could make a show in Johnson City, TN in June I would love to see some of your stuff.

"Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80355	From: scmodelworks@gmail.com	Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: We've named your SALE!

Last week we asked you to tell us which of our loads intrigued you most. The tally of responses tells us that the BALED SCRAP LOAD for both the Thrall and American Models 52' Gondolas is the winner.

For our American Flyer fans, we're also discounting the BALED SCRAP LOAD for the American Flyer Gondolas.

So...now through Feb. 15, all three of these loads are on Sale. The reduced price for the American Flyer version is $9.95. The sale price for the Thrall and American Models version is $10.95.

Sale price is not good on the painted and weathered versions.

To get this discount, please make mention in the notes or comments area of our store or our eBay store.

Here's a link to our store's listing for the American Flyer load.

Here's a link to our store's listing for the Thrall and American Models gondolas.

http://scmodelworks.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=39&product_id=284

http://scmodelworks.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=285

Thanks for your patronage.

Terry and Sue Wellman

St. Charles Model Works

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80356	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Stumpy's Stuff

Bill and others: If you would like to see what I've done in this hobby, there are two websites that have some of it. First up is: http://myflyertrains.org a great S gauge resource. Look to the left side of the home page and find "Stumpy's Station" in the archive. I did a series of articles for Chuck for a few years which included locomotive kit bashing projects, rolling stock scratch building projects, and ideas and information articles.

Another place to check out is my model railroading website: http://stonerails.weebly.com which shows much of my work after I got a good camera. Mostly photos with captions, it shows multiple scales that I've worked in, each on a different page, yet it still doesn't show everything, and the HO page is being redone so is "under construction." . Look for two particular pages, "S Trains" and "S Layouts."

Beyond that I have done articles for S Gaugian a few years ago, but that will require hunting down back issues. And I think there may be a few photos here at S Trains in the "photos" or "files" section.

Model Railroading has been my longest running hobby (but by far not the only one) and I am happy to give back to the hobby that has been so much fun and relaxation. I wish I had been able to start "documenting" my stuff earlier, but maybe it's a good thing that I couldn't. A lot of it was frighteningly crude! :-)

Stumpy Stone in Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80357	From: snstrains	Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Steam Locomotive Kit Bash

I too have many boxes of dis-assembled loco and car parts. Many years ago I bought the remains of two local defunct train repair shops. Among the new old stock parts (of which I still have a lot) were dozens and dozens of car frames, loco chassis, tender frames and shells, trucks, wheel sets, and a myriad of other stuff. It seems that when a car shell got broken the shops in the day just stripped the trucks and wheels sets off and threw the frames in a box. The puzzle is all of the 6 wheel Loco frames of the reverse in boiler genre. What happened to the cast metal boilers of these? Anybody need an Atlantic or Pacific Steam loco frame. Let me know. I have sold a piece now and then but have never dis-assembled a Flyer piece for the purpose of parting it out. I sold the HO and O gauge stuff right away, but still have many, many pounds of Flyer parts on hand. What am I going to do with about 70 car frames without shells? Ebay would be an alternative but how much is a 630 tender frame worth? Probably not even as much as today's outrageous shipping costs. Do I haul them all off to the scrap yard for the salvage price of steel? With the vast number of these items made in the 40s through 60s I don't think any of these stripped parts will be missed. There just have to be more tales like this out there.

Steve Blackburn

SnS Trains

Boise, Id.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80358	From: snstrains	Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Steam Locomotive Kit Bash

I too have many boxes of dis-assembled loco and car parts. Many years ago I bought the remains of two local defunct train repair shops. Among the new old stock parts (of which I still have a lot) were dozens and dozens of car frames, loco chassis, tender frames and shells, trucks, wheel sets, and a myriad of other stuff. It seems that when a car shell got broken the shops in the day just stripped the trucks and wheels sets off and threw the frames in a box. The puzzle is all of the 6 wheel Loco frames of the reverse in boiler genre. What happened to the cast metal boilers of these? Anybody need an Atlantic or Pacific Steam loco frame. Let me know. I have sold a piece now and then but have never dis-assembled a Flyer piece for the purpose of parting it out. I sold the HO and O gauge stuff right away, but still have many, many pounds of Flyer parts on hand. What am I going to do with about 70 car frames without shells? Ebay would be an alternative but how much is a 630 tender frame worth? Probably not even as much as today's outrageous shipping costs. Do I haul them all off to the scrap yard for the salvage price of steel? With the vast number of these items made in the 40s through 60s I don't think any of these stripped parts will be missed. There just have to be more tales like this out there.

Steve Blackburn

SnS Trains

Boise, Id.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80359	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/3/2018
Subject: The Junk Box

Wow, you guys are buried in "parts!" My junk box purchases don't number any where near that "remaining debris." But about three years ago I took "inventory" of what I had on hand and was surprised. Seven large boxes of stuff that I would probably never use!

While I buy complete or semi complete locomotives from time to time, I usually buy entire boxes of stuff to get a few pieces I need or envision needing for projects sitting around. It is usually a VERY cheap way to gather things up. BUT it also nets a LOT of unusable scrap and odd ball bits and pieces I'll never use. Having discovered all the remnants I had, I first dug out anything I might be able to use in other hobbies I'm into. That netted only six items.

Next, I took the boxes to train shows two at a time for possible resale. The best "stuff" went to Spring S Sprees where I knew I would find the most S gaugers, and reasonably sold well. However, I carried a lot of this stuff to shows, last year with a FREE sign on the boxes. I even tried to give it to parts vendors, but there was "nothing of value."

What can you do with items NOBODY wants? After much soul searching, I gave it to a guy I know who takes junk cars in for scrapping, but the additional weight they provided earned him nothing extra (scrap steel price is way down right now.) I kept what I thought may be useful in the future, but who knows? How many more engines and cars am I going to rebuild? Do I need to keep these parts, or will there always be vendors selling "junk boxes" where I can find what I need?

In retrospect, getting rid of what I did was a wise choice as there was not only nothing in there that I would need, it seems nobody else needs it either. Perhaps some rabid collectors will gripe that destroying anything American Flyer is sacrilege, but none of you guys lined up to take this stuff, even for free!

And so, life goes on. I still shudder to think of all the "junk" I still have that will fall to the wife to dispose of after I'm gone. But I've done what I can for now.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80360	From: Edward Davis	Date: 2/3/2018
Subject: Re: The Junk Box

Thanx Stumpy, you've said it all. Luckily I don't have that much inventory, funny one never has some parts they need despite a mess of parts inventory and what IS needed is pricey. And common finished items nobody wants either. Ed Davis

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 7:51 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Wow, you guys are buried in "parts!" My junk box purchases don't number any where near that "remaining debris." But about three years ago I took "inventory" of what I had on hand and was surprised. Seven large boxes of stuff that I would probably never use!

While I buy complete or semi complete locomotives from time to time, I usually buy entire boxes of stuff to get a few pieces I need or envision needing for projects sitting around. It is usually a VERY cheap way to gather things up. BUT it also nets a LOT of unusable scrap and odd ball bits and pieces I'll never use. Having discovered all the remnants I had, I first dug out anything I might be able to use in other hobbies I'm into. That netted only six items.

Next, I took the boxes to train shows two at a time for possible resale. The best "stuff" went to Spring S Sprees where I knew I would find the most S gaugers, and reasonably sold well. However, I carried a lot of this stuff to shows, last year with a FREE sign on the boxes. I even tried to give it to parts vendors, but there was "nothing of value."

What can you do with items NOBODY wants? After much soul searching, I gave it to a guy I know who takes junk cars in for scrapping, but the additional weight they provided earned him nothing extra (scrap steel price is way down right now.) I kept what I thought may be useful in the future, but who knows? How many more engines and cars am I going to rebuild? Do I need to keep these parts, or will there always be vendors selling "junk boxes" where I can find what I need?

In retrospect, getting rid of what I did was a wise choice as there was not only nothing in there that I would need, it seems nobody else needs it either. Perhaps some rabid collectors will gripe that destroying anything American Flyer is sacrilege, but none of you guys lined up to take this stuff, even for free!

And so, life goes on. I still shudder to think of all the "junk" I still have that will fall to the wife to dispose of after I'm gone. But I've done what I can for now.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80361	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/3/2018
Subject: Re: The Junk Box

Well………….you want “junk” ?????

My warehouse (never mind my basement, garage (which hasn’t seen a car in 25 years!), and shop) is long enough and tall enough to hold a tractor trailer (IF it was empty….NOT!). I would estimate that at least HALF of that space is loaded with what most of you would label “junkers”…..mostly prewar and postwar AF. So if you are ever looking for something in particular for restoration or kit-bashing, INQUIRE !!!

BTW…..have a SPECIAL on my entire inventory of Miller Animated Signs running this month on my website . 25% off everything. See details on the homepage.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Junk Box

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 7:51 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Wow, you guys are buried in "parts!" My junk box purchases don't number any where near that "remaining debris." But about three years ago I took "inventory" of what I had on hand and was surprised. Seven large boxes of stuff that I would probably never use!

While I buy complete or semi complete locomotives from time to time, I usually buy entire boxes of stuff to get a few pieces I need or envision needing for projects sitting around. It is usually a VERY cheap way to gather things up. BUT it also nets a LOT of unusable scrap and odd ball bits and pieces I'll never use. Having discovered all the remnants I had, I first dug out anything I might be able to use in other hobbies I'm into. That netted only six items.

Next, I took the boxes to train shows two at a time for possible resale. The best "stuff" went to Spring S Sprees where I knew I would find the most S gaugers, and reasonably sold well. However, I carried a lot of this stuff to shows, last year with a FREE sign on the boxes. I even tried to give it to parts vendors, but there was "nothing of value."

What can you do with items NOBODY wants? After much soul searching, I gave it to a guy I know who takes junk cars in for scrapping, but the additional weight they provided earned him nothing extra (scrap steel price is way down right now.) I kept what I thought may be useful in the future, but who knows? How many more engines and cars am I going to rebuild? Do I need to keep these parts, or will there always be vendors selling "junk boxes" where I can find what I need?

In retrospect, getting rid of what I did was a wise choice as there was not only nothing in there that I would need, it seems nobody else needs it either. Perhaps some rabid collectors will gripe that destroying anything American Flyer is sacrilege, but none of you guys lined up to take this stuff, even for free!

And so, life goes on. I still shudder to think of all the "junk" I still have that will fall to the wife to dispose of after I'm gone. But I've done what I can for now.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80362	From: aflyerfan	Date: 2/4/2018
Subject: Missing Parts Mystery

With all these junk box discussions going on, I've been wondering for a while, why are certain parts missing from Flyer items so often. I bought several 312 projects from a guy, and none of them had boiler fronts. Why? I have several tank cars missing tops and ends. Where did they all go?

If you guys have unwanted junk boxcar or reefer shells, I'd love to buy them. I'd also be interested in tanker bodies. I have several chassis looking for their missing load. I still have empty passenger car chassis that have nobody 😀.

There are no shows in the center of Washington State. The TCA doesn't even come here anymore because the sellers didn't feel like they were moving enough stock.

For those I've chatted with in the past, my layout is going well running 6 lines at a time. Deep in plaster now and will be moving into accessory wiring soon. I have a couple of videos on Facebook.

Jacques (flyerfan)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80363	From: sageviehe@att.net	Date: 2/4/2018
Subject: Re: The Junk Box

Should anyone else be in this dilemma. The Central Railway Museum in Central South Carolina survives on this "junk". So whenever possible you are certainly encouraged to ship it or bring it to us. crmha.org. Our layouts are open to the public every Saturday 9-2 at which time we run trains for anyone who comes, free of charge.

Our main funding source is the annual train expo which takes place this weekend in Easley SC
So if you are in the neighborhood please join us. Details may be found on the web sight.

crmha.org.

Sage Viehe
Manager, American Flyer and Lionel Layouts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80364	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 2/4/2018
Subject: Re: The Junk Box

I wish I had known about the museum. I was visiting customers in Westminster and beautiful and scenic Walhalla. I could have dropped by for a visit. It is on my list of items next time I go to Walhalla……

D.. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:17 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The Junk Box

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80365	From: snstrains	Date: 2/4/2018
Subject: More on The Junk Box

Re Doug Pecks "junk"

I have photos of his warehouse to prove his statements. You would be flabberghasted.

Steve

SnS Trains

Boise.

In a message dated 2/4/2018 12:25:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Well………….you want “junk” ?????

My warehouse (never mind my basement, garage (which hasn’t seen a car in 25 years!), and shop) is long enough and tall enough to hold a tractor trailer (IF it was empty….NOT!). I would estimate that at least HALF of that space is loaded with what most of you would label “junkers”…..mostly prewar and postwar AF. So if you are ever looking for something in particular for restoration or kit-bashing, INQUIRE !!!

BTW…..have a SPECIAL on my entire inventory of Miller Animated Signs running this month on my website . 25% off everything. See details on the homepage.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Junk Box

Thanx Stumpy, you've said it all. Luckily I don't have that much inventory, funny one never has some parts they need despite a mess of parts inventory and what IS needed is pricey. And common finished items nobody wants either. Ed Davis

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 7:51 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Wow, you guys are buried in "parts!" My junk box purchases don't number any where near that "remaining debris." But about three years ago I took "inventory" of what I had on hand and was surprised. Seven large boxes of stuff that I would probably never use!

While I buy complete or semi complete locomotives from time to time, I usually buy entire boxes of stuff to get a few pieces I need or envision needing for projects sitting around. It is usually a VERY cheap way to gather things up. BUT it also nets a LOT of unusable scrap and odd ball bits and pieces I'll never use. Having discovered all the remnants I had, I first dug out anything I might be able to use in other hobbies I'm into. That netted only six items.

Next, I took the boxes to train shows two at a time for possible resale. The best "stuff" went to Spring S Sprees where I knew I would find the most S gaugers, and reasonably sold well. However, I carried a lot of this stuff to shows, last year with a FREE sign on the boxes. I even tried to give it to parts vendors, but there was "nothing of value."

What can you do with items NOBODY wants? After much soul searching, I gave it to a guy I know who takes junk cars in for scrapping, but the additional weight they provided earned him nothing extra (scrap steel price is way down right now.) I kept what I thought may be useful in the future, but who knows? How many more engines and cars am I going to rebuild? Do I need to keep these parts, or will there always be vendors selling "junk boxes" where I can find what I need?

In retrospect, getting rid of what I did was a wise choice as there was not only nothing in there that I would need, it seems nobody else needs it either. Perhaps some rabid collectors will gripe that destroying anything American Flyer is sacrilege, but none of you guys lined up to take this stuff, even for free!

And so, life goes on. I still shudder to think of all the "junk" I still have that will fall to the wife to dispose of after I'm gone. But I've done what I can for now.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80366	From: rick gough	Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Missing Parts Mystery

Attachments :

326 Hudson Paint 003.jpg

326 Hudson LEDs 006.jpg

Jacques, where are you located? I'm in Seattle with probably the only lonely layout in the city.

rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 9:13 AM, "aflyerfan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There are no shows in the center of Washington State. The TCA doesn't even come here anymore because the sellers didn't feel like they were moving enough stock.

For those I've chatted with in the past, my layout is going well running 6 lines at a time. Deep in plaster now and will be moving into accessory wiring soon. I have a couple of videos on Facebook.

Jacques (flyerfan)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80367	From: bigsticks1@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Missing Parts Mystery [2 Attachments]

Missing Boiler Smoke box covers; Try LBR Enterprises at

Dave@...

-----Original Message-----
From: rick gough racin510@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 5, 2018 8:26 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Missing Parts Mystery [2 Attachments]

Jacques, where are you located? I'm in Seattle with probably the only lonely layout in the city.

rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 9:13 AM, "aflyerfan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There are no shows in the center of Washington State. The TCA doesn't even come here anymore because the sellers didn't feel like they were moving enough stock.

For those I've chatted with in the past, my layout is going well running 6 lines at a time. Deep in plaster now and will be moving into accessory wiring soon. I have a couple of videos on Facebook.

Jacques (flyerfan)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80368	From: race944t	Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: More on The Junk Box

And I am proud to have helped Doug with some of the pre-war AF junk. :-)

“Banker” Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80369	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: Re: Missing Parts Mystery [2 Attachments]

Hi Jacques

There is a big parts dealer in Chehalis Washington ron levinton Hobby supply

Phone 360 748 3643 have done business with him for years great guy

Hope this helps you

Stan Sobieski

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 1:22 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Missing Parts Mystery [2 Attachments]

Jacques, where are you located? I'm in Seattle with probably the only lonely layout in the city.

rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 9:13 AM, "aflyerfan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

There are no shows in the center of Washington State. The TCA doesn't even come here anymore because the sellers didn't feel like they were moving enough stock.

For those I've chatted with in the past, my layout is going well running 6 lines at a time. Deep in plaster now and will be moving into accessory wiring soon. I have a couple of videos on Facebook.

Jacques (flyerfan)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80370	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 2/5/2018
Subject: American Flyer for Sale

I have for sale, the following AF items;

1 - New in unopened shipping box, AF 6-48036, NYC, H-6A, Lt Mikado reduced to $475 plus shipping.

Original price, $595

1 - New, but test run on time, AF 6-48036, H-6A, Lt Mikado reduced to $450 plus shipping.

Original price, $595

This locomotive runs great and has excellent detail and sound.

Also, I have

7 - New in box, AF 6-9706, NYC Pacemaker (red/gray) Box Cars $45 ea. plus shipping

Please contact me off list.

Gary @ chudgr@... or 419-680-8300 9 AM to 1100 PM ET.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80371	From: bigsticks1@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Re: American Flyer for Sale

Hi!
A couple of questions;
1. Do these have scale wheels?
2. Does the second one have a road name or is it undecorated?

TKS in advance.
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 6, 2018 12:09 am
Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer for Sale

I have for sale, the following AF items;

1 - New in unopened shipping box, AF 6-48036, NYC, H-6A, Lt Mikado reduced to $475 plus shipping.

Original price, $595

1 - New, but test run on time, AF 6-48036, H-6A, Lt Mikado reduced to $450 plus shipping.

Original price, $595

This locomotive runs great and has excellent detail and sound.

Also, I have

7 - New in box, AF 6-9706, NYC Pacemaker (red/gray) Box Cars $45 ea. plus shipping

Please contact me off list.

Gary @ chudgr@... or 419-680-8300 9 AM to 1100 PM ET.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80372	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 2/6/2018
Subject: Boston Transit Cars

All:

Sorry for the cross-posting. I am looking for information and possibly drawings of the Bombardier stainless steel transit cars used for the Boston Red Line. Cars built 1993-94. Any help you can provide would be very welcome.

Thanks

Scott

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80373	From: mccormickii	Date: 2/7/2018
Subject: (no subject)

Salutations S

https://goo.gl/75H3ZZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80374	From: Edward Davis	Date: 2/8/2018
Subject: Custom paint and other surplus cars for sale.

Anyone out there run Lionel 027 too, like me have a combined Flyer and Lionel system? I have some surplus custom paint cars for both and some other operator items originals for both. Lionel 3474 WP Box, fair at best LNIB MPC cracker Jack white box, 93 flat no load;8754 New haven EF4 [like the Virginian electric], 3419 had been helicopter car, no load.. some low budget cars.. American Flyer 628 plastic frame, various custom paint cars in both.. any road name or maybe industry you're looking for? .. anything else you're looking for, I don't have any real collectibles for sale.. Ed Davis, Boise Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80375	From: rick gough	Date: 2/11/2018
Subject: Re: More on The Junk Box

Steve,

Is the diesel roar in a 378 T&P supposed to be wired thru the horn speaker to amplify the sound? I have done this but it messes with the horn and I've had a couple of 8ohm replacement speakers die probably due to doing this? Haven't been able to come up with a wiring diagram for this diesel anywhere!

Rick

rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:21 AM, "boss31@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Re Doug Pecks "junk"

I have photos of his warehouse to prove his statements. You would be flabberghasted.

Steve

SnS Trains

Boise.

In a message dated 2/4/2018 12:25:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Well………….you want “junk” ?????

My warehouse (never mind my basement, garage (which hasn’t seen a car in 25 years!), and shop) is long enough and tall enough to hold a tractor trailer (IF it was empty….NOT!). I would estimate that at least HALF of that space is loaded with what most of you would label “junkers”…..mostly prewar and postwar AF. So if you are ever looking for something in particular for restoration or kit-bashing, INQUIRE !!!

BTW…..have a SPECIAL on my entire inventory of Miller Animated Signs running this month on my website . 25% off everything. See details on the homepage.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Junk Box

Thanx Stumpy, you've said it all. Luckily I don't have that much inventory, funny one never has some parts they need despite a mess of parts inventory and what IS needed is pricey. And common finished items nobody wants either. Ed Davis

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 7:51 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Wow, you guys are buried in "parts!" My junk box purchases don't number any where near that "remaining debris." But about three years ago I took "inventory" of what I had on hand and was surprised. Seven large boxes of stuff that I would probably never use!

While I buy complete or semi complete locomotives from time to time, I usually buy entire boxes of stuff to get a few pieces I need or envision needing for projects sitting around. It is usually a VERY cheap way to gather things up. BUT it also nets a LOT of unusable scrap and odd ball bits and pieces I'll never use. Having discovered all the remnants I had, I first dug out anything I might be able to use in other hobbies I'm into. That netted only six items.

Next, I took the boxes to train shows two at a time for possible resale. The best "stuff" went to Spring S Sprees where I knew I would find the most S gaugers, and reasonably sold well. However, I carried a lot of this stuff to shows, last year with a FREE sign on the boxes. I even tried to give it to parts vendors, but there was "nothing of value."

What can you do with items NOBODY wants? After much soul searching, I gave it to a guy I know who takes junk cars in for scrapping, but the additional weight they provided earned him nothing extra (scrap steel price is way down right now.) I kept what I thought may be useful in the future, but who knows? How many more engines and cars am I going to rebuild? Do I need to keep these parts, or will there always be vendors selling "junk boxes" where I can find what I need?

In retrospect, getting rid of what I did was a wise choice as there was not only nothing in there that I would need, it seems nobody else needs it either. Perhaps some rabid collectors will gripe that destroying anything American Flyer is sacrilege, but none of you guys lined up to take this stuff, even for free!

And so, life goes on. I still shudder to think of all the "junk" I still have that will fall to the wife to dispose of after I'm gone. But I've done what I can for now.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80376	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/14/2018
Subject: AF uncopler

Attachments :

AFuncoupler bottom.JPG

AF uncouplertop.JPG

The new track comes powered from track running AC. You remove 2 jumpers to run DC or DCC and power from AC terminals on Trans former or Power Pack. See pictures.

Jim Sleeth

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80377	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/19/2018
Subject: power supply

Hello,

I have a regulated and filtered DC power supply that I would like to use to power my trains. I am under the impression that I can use dimmer switches for fans (motors) to vary the voltage to the track.

Would this arrangement be okay? Is there a better way to approach this?

The power supply is 13.8 volts at 20 amps. I use DC can motors in my engines. My guess is each dimmer would need its own circuit breaker protection. What size breaker for S gauge trains?

Lots of questions, but I’ll leave it there for now…

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz

In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80378	From: n6ojj	Date: 2/19/2018
Subject: Re: power supply

If the dimmers are designed for AC power, don’t use them. They rely on the zero-crossing in the 60 Hz sine wave. DC does not have zero-crossings and would not turn off.

With 20 Amps of available current, I hope you are including some form of current limiting to the track (fuses, automotive lamps, etc.) to prevent damage and fires.

cheers,

Dave McBrayer

Castro Valley, CA

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 19, 2018, at 09:21, 'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello,

I have a regulated and filtered DC power supply that I would like to use to power my trains. I am under the impression that I can use dimmer switches for fans (motors) to vary the voltage to the track.

Would this arrangement be okay? Is there a better way to approach this?

The power supply is 13.8 volts at 20 amps. I use DC can motors in my engines. My guess is each dimmer would need its own circuit breaker protection. What size breaker for S gauge trains?

Lots of questions, but I’ll leave it there for now…

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz
In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80379	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/19/2018
Subject: old MR, etc.

Hello again,

We are cleaning here and my wife would like to get rid of a lot of Model Railroaders (1980’s – 2000+), NASG Dispatches, S Gaugians, The Collector (AM Flyer) plus miscellaneous catalogues (Downs, Triple S, AM) from the late 80’s.

I really don’t know what to do with them… VA won’t take any magazine older than 3 months. Would hate to see them go to landfill.

If there is any interest, please let me know

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz

In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80380	From: kerhart@frontier.com	Date: 2/19/2018
Subject: Re: old MR, etc.

Hi, Tom,

Good to hear from you. Your wife didn't happen to come across any of your Tom's Turnouts by chance?

Keith Erhart

On Monday, February 19, 2018 2:20 PM, "'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello again,

I really don’t know what to do with them… VA won’t take any magazine older than 3 months. Would hate to see them go to landfill.

If there is any interest, please let me know

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz

In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80381	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 2/19/2018
Subject: Re: power supply

Thomas,

I have a similar situation with a 20volt DC 10Amp, regulated power supply. I just need a small hand held throttle with reversing switch and circuit breaker.

I have ones that work well will rectified power, which is 60 cycle DC. Hower the electronic components are rated at 1 or 2 amps, so the power components

need to be upgraded. Is your power supply AC or DC?

Rheostats and fan controller switches seem to be the preferred method for controlling DC motor speed without electronics. The dimmer switches that I have for lighting contain a NEC (National Electric Code) warning "not for use with motor operated appliances or transformer supplied appliances" (risk of fire). I used to deal with electrical contractors who motto seemed to be - 'If the wire overheats/burns/shorts, install heavier wire".

There are several DC motor controllers on eBay at reasonable prices comparable to dimmer switches but with reversing switches and fuses built in.

CCM2NJ 12V-40V(max) 3A DC Motor Speed Controller reversible driver Adjustable Variable speed Switch PWM 120W - HHO reversing

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 19, 2018 10:10 am
Subject: [S-Trains] power supply

Hello,

Would this arrangement be okay? Is there a better way to approach this?

The power supply is 13.8 volts at 20 amps. I use DC can motors in my engines. My guess is each dimmer would need its own circuit breaker protection. What size breaker for S gauge trains?

Lots of questions, but I’ll leave it there for now…

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz

In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80382	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 2/19/2018
Subject: Re: power supply

Tom, I have a similar situation only my power supply is variable meaning I can vary both voltage and amperage. This power supply is used to power my HAM radios. There are 2 points that are fixed voltage. One is a socket similar to the power port in your car or truck. It is 13.8 volts and 10 amps. The other is a switch that controls power to the main terminals on the back of the unit. one position is a fixed 13.8 volts with 50 amps. The other position lets you adjust voltage and amperage. A good point to remember.....ANY electrical device will only draw the amperage it needs to operate. More amperage will have no ill effects on it. Too much voltage on the other hand will. For example if you connect a 6 volt item to a 12 volt power supply you're going to fry the 6 volt item.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80383	From: tw_y10	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: 21085 tender

Anyone know how to remove the tender body from the chassis on the 21085. It's not held on by screws. I'm not getting power from the front truck, suspect a disconnect inside the tender. Being plastic I don't want to start prying and doing damage. Thanks, Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80384	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: 21085 tender

It’s held in place with tabs. On most, if you look at the rear corner, you will see a tab that’s bent inward a little bit. You need to carefully pry that tab upward so that the entire floor can then be slid up and out.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] 21085 tender

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80385	From: Tom	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: 21085 tender

Tom,

On many of these five digit tenders there are tabs on each end of the chassis and in one corner on the bottom there is a piece of the chassis bottom that is bent to hold the chassis in one position. If you straighten that piece the chassis slides towards one end and the chassis will drop out of the tender shell. You can assemble it with the reverse steps. My 21085 has tabs but a screw in one corner to hold the chassis in place. I suspect your’s doesn’t or you would have simply removed the screw and then the chassis. My was either a custom modification by a prior owner or a different production run by Gilbert which we all know they sometimes did on the same type of locomotive or other piece. So look at the corner on the bottom of the chassis for the piece to straighten to remove the chassis. It took me a while to learn this trick.

Tom Detmer

Madison, WI

On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:30 AM, tw_y10@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Anyone know how to remove the tender body from the chassis on the 21085. It's not held on by screws. I'm not getting power from the front truck, suspect a disconnect inside the tender. Being plastic I don't want to start prying and doing damage. Thanks, Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80386	From: tw_y10	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: 21085 tender

Thanks Tom, got it off and the wire's off the front truck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80387	From: tw_y10	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: 21085 tender

Thanks Doug, done, easy when you know how...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80388	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Cyberspace for Rich

Rich sent a post for moderation. I approved it for the sanity of his post. It did not get posted to the group conversations. I still have the request for moderation in my email.

Some other posts were approved in a similar time frame and all were posted and sent. I have no idea why Rich's post did not get into the cyberflow, but instead went into cyberspace to be be no longer heard from until whenever????

As I stated a while back, I keep all my moderation requests until posted. This is the first one that I had approved that went unto the ...wherever.

When a message request is sent, I click on the approval link. For those I that are stated as "message no longer exists", I just delete it..

For what it is worth:

Verizon is in the process of purchasing the old yahoo facilities in Sunnyvale, CA. It will take a while for the transaction to be complete. Why purchase the buildings if they really plan to dump groups. With this in mind the Yahoo groups will be kept and improved. We are just going to have to be patient.

Above Information from the local news outlets.

Rich's message:

I"m not sure what is going on with this group in terms of moderation or the consistency of this 'site' being up. By my reckoning, there's been a (recent) several day gap when there didn't seem to be any new posts, including a long-ish reply I had posted to a question about the diesel roar/air chime horn. As far as I can tell, that post has disappeared into the ether (maybe it will catch up with Elon's roadster). So.... what's up?

There have been around 200 messages posted for 2018, I am not going to count them.

Ed Eckert

moderator

The above request was sent through yahoo and I received this in a timely manner, less than 5 minutes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80389	From: richs009	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: S-trains group glitch?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80390	From: richs009	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: 21085 tender

this probably isn't a very helpful reply, but the tender for my 21085 does indeed have four screws attaching the metal chassis to the plastic body -- the screws (slotted pan-head) are in the corners of the frame...

If they aren't there, is it possible there is a screw at one end of the body that, when loosened would allow the end of the frame/chassis to come loose with the other end held in by slots? I'm thinking of the way some of the box car bodies are attached to their frames.

- Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80391	From: Sam & Peggy	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: old MR, etc.

How far back do you go on the S Gaugians?
________________________________________
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:07 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] old MR, etc.

Hello again,

We are cleaning here and my wife would like to get rid of a lot of Model Railroaders (1980’s – 2000+), NASG Dispatches, S Gaugians, The Collector (AM Flyer) plus miscellaneous catalogues (Downs, Triple S, AM) from the late 80’s.

I really don’t know what to do with them… VA won’t take any magazine older than 3 months. Would hate to see them go to landfill.

If there is any interest, please let me know

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz
In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80392	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: MTH F-3's

After waiting what seemed like forever and worrying that they would be sold out before I could get mine. I am happy to say I received the first A unit this morning Feb 19. According to the tracking number the B unit and second A will be delivered tomorrow. While looking at the manual I noted it stated F-3 AND F-7 locomotives. Does this mean that MTH will beproducing F-7's in the future?

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80393	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Fast trac AF SW issue.

I removed the jumper so I can power SW with AC. They work and light up but AC is getting to track and I want to Run DC and DCC.

It looks like there are 4 wires than can be disconnected.

Any one figured this out yet?

Thanks in advance.

Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80394	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: old MR, etc.

>We are cleaning here and my wife would like to get rid of a lot of Model
Railroaders (1980's - 2000+), NASG Dispatches, S Gaugians, the Collector (AM
Flyer) plus miscellaneous catalogues (Downs, Triple S, AM) from the late
80's.<

Thanks you to all who replied. Everything is spoken for..

Tom Stoltz

In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80395	From: fahrwud	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Sunday night chat

On right now - drop in and say hi. http://myflyertrains.org/chat/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80396	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: For what it is worth: Oath and YG lists

I belong to the GroupManagersForum@YahooGroups

Anyone interested in what is happening with YahooGroups should join.

FWIW Verizon in June 2017 completed its $4.48 billion acquisition of Yahoo’s assets, which were combined

with AOL brands including the HuffPost (formerly The Huffington Post) under a new subsidiary called Oath.

YahooGroups has been spun off into the 'new company' Oath. Oath has eliminated 20% of former Yahoo and

AOL employees since June.

Oath has not made their plans for YahooGroups public, or addressed the issue of technical support for YG

now or in the future. There have been 'rumors' of a new business plan to be announced in May, but that is

definitely unofficial. Oath has been focused on mobile media since it was created. Clearly YG lists have been

an afterthought.

A few days ago the GMF moderator posted :

" The best information we have is a statement from an employee of Verizon

/ Oath / Yahoo that there has not been any discussion of a date for
shutting down Yahoo Groups, but if such a decision were made we, the
users, would be given advance warning."

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O.. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

ejenterp@... [S-Trains] (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)

For what it is worth:

Above Information from the local news outlets.

Rich's message:

There have been around 200 messages posted for 2018, I am not going to count them.

Ed Eckert

moderator

The above request was sent through yahoo and I received this in a timely manner, less than 5 minutes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80397	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: old MR, etc.

I'll pay shipping for the catalogues.

Otherwise, if there are model railroad clubs within easy driving distance, a good place for older model railroad magazines is on display at trains shows

to tempt casual visitors to become more involved.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co..

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:07 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] old MR, etc.

Hello again,

I really don’t know what to do with them… VA won’t take any magazine older than 3 months. Would hate to see them go to landfill.

If there is any interest, please let me know

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz

In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80398	From: Roger Young	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: old MR, etc.

Hi Tom, I'm interested in the collector. how many do you have cost shipping thanks Roger

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, 11:32:59 PM EST, Sam & Peggy boxcarsam@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80399	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 2/20/2018
Subject: Re: For what it is worth: Oath and YG lists

Yahoo was purchased but the not all buildings were purchased. The news was pertaining to the purchase of three buildings in Sunnyvale that are in the Caribbean Drive triangular area east of Lockheed.

Ed Eckert

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:25 PM, "Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I belong to the GroupManagersForum@YahooGroups

Anyone interested in what is happening with YahooGroups should join.

FWIW Verizon in June 2017 completed its $4.48 billion acquisition of Yahoo’s assets, which were combined

with AOL brands including the HuffPost (formerly The Huffington Post) under a new subsidiary called Oath.

YahooGroups has been spun off into the 'new company' Oath. Oath has eliminated 20% of former Yahoo and

AOL employees since June.

Oath has not made their plans for YahooGroups public, or addressed the issue of technical support for YG

now or in the future. There have been 'rumors' of a new business plan to be announced in May, but that is

definitely unofficial. Oath has been focused on mobile media since it was created. Clearly YG lists have been

an afterthought.

A few days ago the GMF moderator posted :

" The best information we have is a statement from an employee of Verizon

/ Oath / Yahoo that there has not been any discussion of a date for
shutting down Yahoo Groups, but if such a decision were made we, the
users, would be given advance warning."

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop..

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O.. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

ejenterp@... [S-Trains] (S-Trains@yahoogroups.com)

For what it is worth:

Above Information from the local news outlets.

Rich's message:

There have been around 200 messages posted for 2018, I am not going to count them.

Ed Eckert

moderator

The above request was sent through yahoo and I received this in a timely manner, less than 5 minutes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80400	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Re: Sunday night chat

just got this today - a little late to drop in for a Sunday chat!!:-)
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 2/19/2018 03:13, fahrwud@... [S-Trains] wrote:

On right now - drop in and say hi. http://myflyertrains.org/chat/index.php

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80401	From: richs009	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Diesel air chime and roar - second try

tempting fate and the ether, I'm gonna try again to sorta/kinda answer the question posed about 10 days ago regarding the horn and roar in the T&P 378 dummy geep. Part of the question was whether there is any sort of wiring diagram for this unit. There doesn't seem to be one in the K-line "Complete Service Manual" book, but there is an ACG service diagram and instructions for the "B" units that were part of the A-B or A-B-A PA units like the Santa Fe and NP sets from about the mid 1950's. Making the assumption that the T&P units were essentially the same, then here is the parts and really small wiring diagram:

http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album209/467_471_476_480_2

courtesy of Chuck Harrington's really terrific myflyertrains website. The next page has written instructions about troubleshooting both the air chime and the roar. Doug Peck has a slightly better wiring diagram (still with no parts labeled) here:

http://www.portlines.com/images/WIRING%20DIAGRAMS%20-%20471.485%20DIESELS.jpg

What I can't tell from these is whether the diesel sound generator is simply a mechanical vibrator that produces the sound via mechanical coupling to the chassis or whether there is some electrical output that goes to the speaker (which, by the way, is spec'd at 3.2 ohms, according to Barker's repair manual). The troubleshooting discussion makes it sound like there is some sort of electrical output that goes through a capacitor and on to the speaker.

I've never been impressed by the "roar" and the air chime horn, so if I were doing it, I'd strip it all out and install a sound card - unless of course one was trying to preserve 'authenticity'...

FWIW

- Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80402	From: fahrwud	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Re: Sunday night chat

The quick note I posted about Sunday night chat (actually posted during Sunday night chat) showed up on the group about 6:30 pm Tuesday night. I seem to remember Yahoo Groups being quicker than that....oh well, I tried.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80403	From: racin510	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Re: Diesel air chime and roar - second try

I posed the question and appreciate this feedback as there has been no other. The diagram seems to show a connection from the roar to the speaker with a resistor spliced in, which may be the difference between the speaker living or otherwise! There are upper and lower terminals on this side of the roar and only one seems to produce effect to the speaker.

Could Tom Barker weigh in on what's correct here? We know he knows! So what is the resistance needed to protect the speaker and consider new replacement speakers are 8ohm and .1watt.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80404	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Yahoo Groups

No matter who now controls Yahoo Groups or what their interest or disinterest is, it is obvious that "customer service" is not among their priorities. Every Group I belong to has been increasingly messed up for the past month or so, and the future is not only uncertain, it looks bleak. Already, one former Yahoo Group I belong to has folded, two more have moved to group.io, and others are toying with doing so.

This is sad, not just for the various Groups, but also because Yahoo Groups had become THE place to go to stay in touch with Model Railroaders in all scales and gauges. The fact that this venue is going away bodes ill for the hobby as a whole, which needs no more problems these days.

Yahoo Groups are also closely involved in a large number of other hobbies and interests that need this form of communication. But it appears the new owners don't care. It's just money and control of the Internet to them, public service and customer care are phrases that seem to have no meaning other than for advertising purposes.

Perhaps when Yahoo Groups fails, all of will remember who caused it and not waste our time and money with them.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80405	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: MTH Paint

I contacted MTH asking what to use to remove factory paint from my A-B-A set of F-3's The reply I received shocked me to say the least. They said to remove logos and lettering to use steel wool......STEEL WOOL???? Not me. I'm going to use Scalecoat Wash Away. MTH never did tell me what brand of paint they use. My suggestions 1 to remove just logos and lettering/numbers Microscale's Micro-Sol. Using a paint brush apply to only what you want to remove. Let it air dry and apply a second application and let that dry. Apply Scotch tape over the area and burnish it down. Take the tape up........lettering comes with it. Sometimes you have to do it again but it sure beats tiring yourself out with steel wool. 2. As for color matching....again strip it to bare plastic and use the paint of your choice.....then if need be a match is easy.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80406	From: chasman340	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Re: old MR, etc.

Hi Tom,

In addition maybe some of "The Collector " and a few catalogs.

Thanks,
Charles Hudacko

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80407	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Re: MTH Paint

Bob, I'll. go by MTH this week and see if Mark can give me some answers. I wonder how many S operators would buy undecorated engines?

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
From: danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 6:26 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH Paint

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80408	From: Art Cooper	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Yahoo Groups

Good Evening Everyone

I believe that all of us have concerns about the present situation at Yahoo Groups and its future. There are alternatives that may not have all of the capabilities we have enjoyed in the past but do provide a user friendly venue for sharing information about our hobby.. Recently, I joined several facebook groups including: American Flyer S Collectors & Operators Group, Gilbert American Flyer Trains, American Flyer S Collectors Group, American Flyer Trains Back On Track, and American Flyer Trains. I believe that several of you (or past users) are now members in one or more of the facebook groups. I have not been a big fan of facebook in the past over privacy concerns but have warmed up to it somewhat, recently. Consider joining one or more of these groups in addition to maintaining your S-Trains affiliation.

Best Regards to All,

Art Cooper

North Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80409	From: thecitrusbelt	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Layouts Needed For Tour - Bakersfield, CA (May 19)

Layouts in any scale plus garden railroads are needed for a layout tour to be held in conjunction with a Daylight Division/PCR/NMRA Meet in Bakersfield on May 19.

This will be a free, self-guided model railroad tour sponsored by my Yahoo/Groups.io group, Model Railroads of Southern California. The tours are designed to promote the hobby and allow railroad owners to showcase their work.

All owners need to do is operate their trains. I will do all the planning and publicity, as I have done for fifty-four other tours since 2006. Nearly 800 home, club and garden railroads have appeared on these tours in an area stretching from Central California to the Mexican border.

Please contact me OFF LIST at chiefbobbb@... [chiefbobbb AT verizon DOT net] if you are interested in displaying your layout, have questions about participating or know someone who may be interested.

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Model Railroads of Southern California

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80410	From: tennsgauger	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Re: Yahoo Groups

As a user, I would never have known there were these problems with yahoo groups. It has continued to work for me like it did when I first started using the groups 15 or so years ago. So the gloom and doom is still something I don’t understand.

What am I doing wrong?

- Earl Henry, Nashville

Sent from my iPhone Earl Henry, Jr

On Feb 21, 2018, at 10:35 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

No matter who now controls Yahoo Groups or what their interest or disinterest is, it is obvious that "customer service" is not among their priorities. Every Group I belong to has been increasingly messed up for the past month or so, and the future is not only uncertain, it looks bleak. Already, one former Yahoo Group I belong to has folded, two more have moved to group.io, and others are toying with doing so.

This is sad, not just for the various Groups, but also because Yahoo Groups had become THE place to go to stay in touch with Model Railroaders in all scales and gauges. The fact that this venue is going away bodes ill for the hobby as a whole, which needs no more problems these days.

Yahoo Groups are also closely involved in a large number of other hobbies and interests that need this form of communication. But it appears the new owners don't care. It's just money and control of the Internet to them, public service and customer care are phrases that seem to have no meaning other than for advertising purposes.

Perhaps when Yahoo Groups fails, all of will remember who caused it and not waste our time and money with them.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80411	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Re: Yahoo Groups

I’ve stayed completely out of this conversation until now. So I’ll post once and then drop out of it. I have steadfastly refused to join Facebook, and I have no plans to change that. This is, in part, because I simply don’t have the time for it. My wife and I do everything in this business except most of the repair work. I am filling and shipping orders 9 hours a day, 6 (sometimes 7) days a week, and then doing paperwork and answering emails all evening. In order to keep up, or try to, we have discontinued participation in all trade shows except for York TCA, and the annual NASG Convention. So I just foresee the Facebook groups as being too time-consuming of time I don’t have, and I’ve avoided it. But I have participated in several Yahoo groups regularly, so I hold out hope that they will continue…….but none of us know for sure.

Meanwhile, I want to say that I DO appreciate the referrals that many of you on the Facebook groups have sent my way. I have had numerous new customers state that they heard of me on a Facebook group. So I do thank you for that.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80412	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Re: MTH Paint

Harwood,

That's a good question. They don't offer undecorated versions or I'd have gotten them. My guess would be any S scaler with his own railroad or guys like me who model a railroad not offered. That's ok it's another aspect of this hobby I enjoy.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

p.s I'll hold off stripping paint until your report.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80413	From: Eric	Date: 2/21/2018
Subject: Trains on sale from Charles Ro and Walthers

Just a note that Charles Ro is selling AF Cylindrical hoppers (BN, CN and others, some scale, some hirail) for $39.95 Also they have some MTH rebuilt boxcars in SF and UP for the same price.

This is on their super sales page. http://charlesro-com.3dcartstores.com/supersalesgauge.html

Not as cheap as Walthers was selling them for couple of months back but better RR selection

Also Walthers has a sales page with not much on it today, but sometimes there are good buys.

https://www.walthers.com/products/scale/s-scale/on-sale-today/bargain-depot-all-on-sale-the-warehouse-sale

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa, where it is actually snowing after many weeks of warm weather.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80414	From: bobville	Date: 2/22/2018
Subject: Re: MTH Paint

Bob, I have used glass beads in my sand blaster to remove paint from plastic and metal . I have even used it on rusty track and did not effect the paper insulators. Bob Persing
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From: danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:16:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [S-Trains] MTH Paint

I contacted MTH asking what to use to remove factory paint from my A-B-A set of F-3's The reply I received shocked me to say the least. They said to remove logos and lettering to use steel wool......STEEL WOOL???? Not me. I'm going to use Scalecoat Wash Away. MTH never did tell me what brand of paint they use. My suggestions 1 to remove just logos and lettering/numbers Microscale's Micro-Sol. Using a paint brush apply to only what you want to remove. Let it air dry and apply a second application and let that dry. Apply Scotch tape over the area and burnish it down. Take the tape up........lettering comes with it. Sometimes you have to do it again but it sure beats tiring yourself out with steel wool. 2. As for color matching....again strip it to bare plastic and use the paint of your choice.....then if need be a match is easy.
Bob Lampe
Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80415	From: Edward Davis	Date: 2/22/2018
Subject: Re: MTH Paint

Bob: I have used brake fluid for years to remove paint from model rail cars.. Then wash good with Dawn liquid and toothbrush and rinse.. It may not remove ALL paints [notably plastic paints like the Testors stuff] and may damage the raw material underneath. Best to apply to an unseen interior surface first to see if it disturbs or etches the plastic. I have had some cars especially early flyer that right after WW2 was recycled material and it warped the plastic, on most later cars worked fine same on metal engines. I'd be careful initialy to be sure it won't damage the plastic, all are not the same.. It NORMALLY worked for me, but never sure with all materials. Ed Davis

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:23 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Harwood,
That's a good question. They don't offer undecorated versions or I'd have gotten them. My guess would be any S scaler with his own railroad or guys like me who model a railroad not offered. That's ok it's another aspect of this hobby I enjoy.
Bob Lampe
Kalispell, MT

p.s I'll hold off stripping paint until your report.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80416	From: mike gardner	Date: 2/22/2018
Subject: Re: old MR, etc.

HI,Iwould be interested in the S Guagians please email me .Thanks Mike Gardner

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 7:58:28 PM EST, chudacko@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Tom,

In addition maybe some of "The Collector " and a few catalogs.

Thanks,
Charles Hudacko

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80417	From: Carey	Date: 2/22/2018
Subject: Re: old MR, etc.

I also have a large number of modeling magazines I'd love to find a good home for.

Pick up in central PA or shipping via cheapest rate

Included
Mainline Modeling
S-Gaugian
Narrow Line and Shortline Gazette
Railroad Model Craftsman
Sn3 Modeler
others

Please contact me offline at S-scale at hcprobst.com

Carey Probst
Pennsyltucky RR
Chief MicroFerroEquinologist

On 2/22/2018 9:52 AM, mike gardner tamerlane_46@... [S-Trains] wrote:

HI,Iwould be interested in the S Guagians please email me .Thanks Mike Gardner

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 7:58:28 PM EST, chudacko@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Tom,

In addition maybe some of "The Collector " and a few catalogs.

Thanks,
Charles Hudacko

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80418	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 2/22/2018
Subject: Re: MTH Paint

Thanks Ed, I've used them all and had good results. What I'm dealing with is an unknown here.....exactly what type plastic does MTH use (there are several) and which paint removal method is best. I have 2 fortunate happenings here...1 MTH included an extra pilot with coupler cover and 2 fortunately Northern Pacific did not use those. So I have some painted pieces to experiment with. Bob Pershing mentioned "sandblasting" with glass beads. One of the airbrush manufacturers make a sandblaster. That may be another option if my test on the not needed pilots is a bust. Personally I think the Scalecoat Wash Away will be my best bet. Years ago I removed the factory paint from some American Models cars using Pine-Sol with no problems but I suspect that was a different plastic than what MTH uses.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80419	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 2/22/2018
Subject: Re: MTH Paint

SHS offered those as part of their F unit sets; even after 7-8 years dabbling in S scale, I am still impressed with the planning and serious thought that went into

producing the line.
So far as I can tell, MTH has not improved on any of their designs (apart from their proprietary electronics, which I cannot and will not use); in fact, I would wonder if it is so good, as they no longer include both sets of wheelsets with cars. I don't know whether the F units have both.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com> on behalf of danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:36 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Paint

Thanks Ed, I've used them all and had good results. What I'm dealing with is an unknown here......exactly what type plastic does MTH use (there are several) and which paint removal method is best. I have 2 fortunate happenings here...1 MTH included an extra pilot with coupler cover and 2 fortunately Northern Pacific did not use those. So I have some painted pieces to experiment with. Bob Pershing mentioned "sandblasting" with glass beads. One of the airbrush manufacturers make a sandblaster. That may be another option if my test on the not needed pilots is a bust. Personally I think the Scalecoat Wash Away will be my best bet. Years ago I removed the factory paint from some American Models cars using Pine-Sol with no problems but I suspect that was a different plastic than what MTH uses.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80420	From: hunbet	Date: 2/23/2018
Subject: Yahoo Groups

If you have a yahoo email account that is active you don't have problems,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80421	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/23/2018
Subject: Re: MTH Paint

The F-3's DO have both Hi-rail AND scale wheels. As for the electronics if I don't like them I will definitely convert to full DCC especially if they don't sound like the F-3's my uncle drove on the Northern Pacific. I'm old school and can't get used to calling them train drivers instead engineers.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80422	From: Edward Davis	Date: 2/23/2018
Subject: Re: MTH Paint

Attachments :

Bob, glad you like the pic of another scratchbuilt engine I built, thanx. As for the paint removal I wonder if since it is a factory job and likely another finish wouldn't ruin the details, the factory job probably a pretty fine coat.maybe just repainting won't make paint too thick to ruin little details like rivets.. just a thought maybe my idea isn't for the best?? Pix of two O SCALE [but to run on Lionel track] trolleys that ran in the Bronx 70 years and more ago, can;t recall if I made them in Butte or here.. keep well,rgds to Carol.. Ed

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:36 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks Ed, I've used them all and had good results. What I'm dealing with is an unknown here.....exactly what type plastic does MTH use (there are several) and which paint removal method is best. I have 2 fortunate happenings here....1 MTH included an extra pilot with coupler cover and 2 fortunately Northern Pacific did not use those. So I have some painted pieces to experiment with. Bob Pershing mentioned "sandblasting" with glass beads. One of the airbrush manufacturers make a sandblaster. That may be another option if my test on the not needed pilots is a bust. Personally I think the Scalecoat Wash Away will be my best bet. Years ago I removed the factory paint from some American Models cars using Pine-Sol with no problems but I suspect that was a different plastic than what MTH uses.
Bob Lampe
Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80423	From: Eric	Date: 2/23/2018
Subject: S Train Parts for sale

Attachments :

S Train Parts For Sale 2/23/2018

I have 3 Lionel-Flyer boxcar bases. Sheet metal with trucks and coupler. 2 absolutely like new, one is older and looks like it has been displayed for a while. I changed these out of like new boxcars for Ace car bases. $15

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I have 2 American Models electronic reverse units out of diesels. These were taken out of operating engines with conversion to DCC. $30 each _____________________________________________________

One SHS Bulkhead Flatbed Load Yellow version (no car!) $5?

4 Sets of American Models Passenger car trucks. From Streamliner cars, 4 wheel with molded in dummy small coupler. Like new, They are highrail but I can change to scale if requested. $16 for all 4 (high rail), $20 for all 4 scale (I may may have more).

5 AHL Trucks (see picture) All different and like new in original packaging. All labeled and painted for Hershey. $25 for all 5

Four wheelsets set of geared scale wheels from American models RS3. (see picture) $15

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Please make an offer and add shippingadd postage for anything

Thanks for looking !!

All items are sold as-is, I can more supply pictures if requested.

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa. 98028

Check, Postal Money order, Paypal all Work.

TCA since 1987, NASG since 1986, Ebay since 1999

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80424	From: poniaj	Date: 2/23/2018
Subject: Re: Yahoo Groups

Not always. I have a Yahoo email account run Thunderbird and Firefox and still cannot get photos to appear, or embed. My PC has Windows 7 (I refuse to get 10 due to the problems I have heard about). That's the way it goes, I guess. For posting photos and such, I go to the O Gauge Railroading On Line Forum's S pages. Much easier.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80425	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/23/2018
Subject: Re: Yahoo Groups

I have been using Chrome for years and have had almost no problems

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80426	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/23/2018
Subject: Re: Yahoo Groups

Among the Yahoo Group;s I frequent, S Trains has been working almost as normal after some glitches in past weeks. I wish the others were as well. Most of the model railroad Groups and the automobile Groups I frequent have had problems for over a month, sometimes not working for a week at a time. Then suddenly there are a LOT of posts appear dated to during the time the Group wasn't working.

The word going around on the various Groups is that this is likely the "new normal" since Yahoo was bought by Verizon and is being moved to one of their spin off companies which doesn't do the Groups type of thing. Either by "accident" or "design" there is trouble with moving operations.

My wife does Facebook, and as pointed out, it tends to consume her life, much of it with constant banality. Like Doug, but for very different reasons, I don't want to get into the social media scene and the hours one tends to tie up on it.

I'm am hopeful that the Yahoo Groups thing stabilizes as these Groups support various of my many hobbies and interests. But I've lived too long not to think about possible downsides to things. It's that "forwarded is forearmed" deal I learned many years ago.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80427	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/23/2018
Subject: Re: MTH Paint

Ed,

Nice job on those trolley's they look great. I'd thought the same on painting. That's why when I find that the paint removal system I use is ok then I will strip the body to bare plastic and use a plastic compatible paint like Scalecoat II or Tru-Color. The original Scalecoat and the old original Floquil were harmful to plastics. That's why I changed. Carol sends her regards as do I.

Bob

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Edward Davis bigedirt5543@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 11:25 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Paint

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:36 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks Ed, I've used them all and had good results. What I'm dealing with is an unknown here.....exactly what type plastic does MTH use (there are several) and which paint removal method is best. I have 2 fortunate happenings here....1 MTH included an extra pilot with coupler cover and 2 fortunately Northern Pacific did not use those. So I have some painted pieces to experiment with. Bob Pershing mentioned "sandblasting" with glass beads. One of the airbrush manufacturers make a sandblaster. That may be another option if my test on the not needed pilots is a bust. Personally I think the Scalecoat Wash Away will be my best bet. Years ago I removed the factory paint from some American Models cars using Pine-Sol with no problems but I suspect that was a different plastic than what MTH uses.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80428	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 2/24/2018
Subject: TCA

Any interest in TCA Quarterly’s? 1990 thru whenever…

Tom Stoltz

In maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80429	From: Doug Peck	Date: 2/24/2018
Subject: Re: TCA

Thanks for asking, but no thanks.

Very limited interest to AF guys…………..they’re Lionel mags, for the most part.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 4:28 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TCA

Any interest in TCA Quarterly’s? 1990 thru whenever…

Tom Stoltz

In maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80430	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/24/2018
Subject: Re: TCA

Actually there have been some outstanding AF articles in the TCQ. Bruce Manson's articles on the Gilbert Hall of Science come to mind and he very definitely was a Flyer guy. As for old issues, TCA has a better alternative. All the issues of the TCQ are available on line for TCA members. An excellent benefit of membership.

Dale Smith

On 2/24/2018 3:17 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Thanks for asking, but no thanks.

Very limited interest to AF guys…………..they’re Lionel mags, for the most part.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 4:28 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] TCA

Any interest in TCA Quarterly’s? 1990 thru whenever…

Tom Stoltz

In maine

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80431	From: race944t	Date: 2/26/2018
Subject: Original AF Boys Club film

I managed to snag two original Gilbert American Flyer Boy's Club original films at a show this past weekend. One of them is "Gilbert Show #6" according to the lead in footage. Unfortunately, the other one has about 1 /12 minutes of one end of the film missing. (don't know which end since it might not have been rewound) It could be show #2 since it was in the original reel canister labeled #2. These are 16mm films and unfortunately, I don't have a projector for them. I have an old 8mm projector. Would that be like trying to run Lionel "O" gauge on AF "S" gauge track?

I'll bring them to York. Anyone know of an available 16mm projector that could make it to York for the Flyer-Nut meeting?

Also, anyone know how rare these films are?

"Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80432	From: richs009	Date: 2/26/2018
Subject: Re: Original AF Boys Club film

Bill - for what its worth, you might check with a local Costco store to see if you can get the films converted to DVD - its a service they list on their website. I don't know if other places like Target or Walmart offer similar services, nor do I know how much it costs. My concern would be how brittle the film stock has become and whether you'd even have any luck running it through a projector - assuming you could even find one in working order...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80433	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 2/26/2018
Subject: Re: Original AF Boys Club film

Bill,

As mentioned by unnamed person, Costco, or film developing stores can convert to DVD at a reasonable price. I don't recall the company, but those TV shows with the American Flyer Boys Club that ran in the late forties, early fifties right before Christmas, were converted to VHS and available some years back. I have, somewhere, five or six of the series. You might research the internet for them. I wouldn't be surprised if you could purchase them on DVD.

Gary Chudzinski

Original AF Boys Club film

Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:58 am (PST) . Posted by:

race944t

Anyone know of an available 16mm projector that could make it to York for the Flyer-Nut meeting?

Also, anyone know how rare these films are?

"Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80434	From: lionely6b	Date: 2/26/2018
Subject: Re: Original AF Boys Club film

All six AF Boys' Club episodes have been available (first) on VHS and later on DVD for some time (over 20 years). Hope this helps.

Bob B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80435	From: gartrain404	Date: 2/26/2018
Subject: Re: Original AF Boys Club film

Many of these old films have been placed on Videos and

now DVDs.

https://www.amazon.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-BOYS-RAILROAD-CLUB/dp/B00EYNDO52?SubscriptionId=AKIAJ2F6RDUSIYCWQMFQ&tag=sa-sym-new-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00EYNDO52

Glenn Ritter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80436	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/27/2018
Subject: Need Slot car contacts

Attachments :

I am trying to run the Delorian past my Back to the Future buildings. Need a back pin and some way of adding back pickups to be able to run slower. The speed control wheel is to slow for power pick up or to fast for tight curve track that match Aurora turn outs.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80437	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/27/2018
Subject: Re: Original AF Boys Club film

Even though the content is available on DVD, and even on the Youtube, this is still a remarkable find. As to how well these would fare in a projector, my experience with my uncle's 8mm film from the 1930's-1950's leads me to believe you need to be prepared to do some splicing, which would require at least a simple splicing rig. You might even find some splices on the film. There are two types of splicing for 8mm, chemical and tape. I am not sure what is available for 16mm. Your 8mm projector would be of no use. More like running an O gauge train through an HO tunnel. If you had episode 7 that really would be something.

Dale Smith

On 2/26/2018 1:44 PM, gartrain404@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80438	From: race944t	Date: 2/27/2018
Subject: Re: Original AF Boys Club film

I know the films have been sent to video and DVD, my question is are the original films worth much and how rare are they.

“Banker” Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80439	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 2/27/2018
Subject: Re: Need Slot car contacts

James, I'm no electronics expert by no means but it seems you could add a resistor in the car itself or a potentiometer, which is a variable resistor, so as to run at a slower speed. I just remembered the controllers for slot cars were hand held trigger finger or thumb operated potentiometers. Seems to me you could replace that with a rotary potentiometer of the same value, 500 ohms for example, then you could set the car at a steady speed.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80440	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/27/2018
Subject: Re: Need slot car contacts

From your post, it sounds like you are using Aurora HO equipment. I raced these for seven seasons with a couple of Pittsburgh area clubs up to last year. You can modify a spare from guide pin to mount with the rear chassis mounting screw on the old T-jet types. Otherwise a fine machine screw can be filed down and mounted to the rear of the chassis of any brand of HO car.

I think you'll find that the real trouble with slowing these down is the gearing. There ARE various gears and gear sets available online from the HO slot car suppliers, but they usually make the car faster. However, any gear set that gives the car more acceleration but a lower top speed will allow a car to run slower at a lower speed setting of the controller.

Dropping the voltage is a good idea, but these motors don't run very slow before they stall. After all, these cars are made for RACING. If you can find any, the older Aurora sets (1960 to about 65) were seen as the basis of a highway system and ran slower to start with. But these are getting VERY hard to find, and there are no parts fro them.

Your best bet iOS to troll the Internet by Googling "HO Slot Cars." There are a LOT of people into them!

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80441	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/27/2018
Subject: Re: Need slot car contacts

This week end there is a 'show' in Lena , Illinois the 3rd & 4th . May find one there. Near U.S. 20 and IL 73. Interstate riders may use 39 to US 20 and toll roader may us 90 to US 20. IT IS JUST SOUTH OF Wisconsin.

From: "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 6:08 PM
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Need slot car contacts

Your best bet iOS to troll the Internet by Googling "HO Slot Cars." There are a LOT of people into them!

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80442	From: Edward Davis	Date: 2/27/2018
Subject: Anyone out there have Lionel/MPC too?

I do fine with all my postwar Lionel but I have two MPC engines that give me a problem One is 8204 Atlantic type, the other is 8030 a GP7/9. Once they get running for a minute or so they run OK but I have to let the drivers up just enough to let the contacts draw power and race them for a minute or so before the motors stop stuttering. I had both of them [different ones, these I got in the last few years] and I realize they are 40 plus years old, but the 60-70 year old Lionel [nor Flyer] give me this issue.

I always clean the motors before they go on line for 8 weeks, and brush travel seems OK, anyone have any idea what could be wrong that they don't come right to life when power is applied? They're the only ones I have trouble with. I hate to have to ask since I was once a repairman at Ma Websters Model RR Equipt. Corp in NYC. Thanx, , Ed Davis Boise Idaho.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80443	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 2/27/2018
Subject: American Flyer Slot cars

I just checked ebay and there are several AF slot car sets and accessories listed. I remember those There was a James Bond Goldfinger set in Sears that I wanted. It came with Bond's Aston Martin DB6 and Mustang convertible. Grandma ordered it for mr for Christmas . What they sent was a Monogram 1/32 scale set. Regardless of scale those cars went like lightning they were too fast to stay on the track.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80444	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/28/2018
Subject: Old Race Cars

Like a lot of "Baby Boomers," I grew up with trains and cars being a big part of my life. I stood at trackside with my father and watched the final years of steam, and sat in the bleachers with him and saw the Midgets and Stock Cars in action. My grandfather had raced "Big Cars" in the 1930's and Dad was a Naval Aviator in WWII, so machines and action were "front and center" all my life.

I had both toy trains and slot cars as a youngster. Those old slot cars ranged from Aurora's Model Motoring sets that were originally seen as an addition to HO train layouts as animated highway systems and also the mindlessly quick race car sets. There was a "common denominator" between the race cars of the early fifties and the slot cars of the early sixties: narrow, rock hard tires! No matter how much horsepower your full scale '55 Chevy Stock Car or your 1/32 scale Ferrari had, the tires wouldn't let that power "hook up" with the track!

For several years recently I raced slot cars with two clubs in the Pittsburgh area, and I can tell you, "times have changed" just as they have in real auto racing! You can get wide "sticky" tires for both real tracks and slot tracks today! This is the main reason race cars are so much faster than they were in the old days, you can get traction enough to put all that "horsepower" to use! Yes, the motors and chassis of both real cars and model cars are a lot better, but it is the tires that allow that power and handling to connect to the ground!

What manufacturers remain making slot cars are being augmented by dozens of small, specialty manufactures who make only tires, or only gears, and so on. It's modeling imitating reality again, as this is what happened in real racing.

The past is not dead as today there are vintage auto racing groups that still run race cars from as far back as the 1920's, and there are slot car racers who run their own version of this with old Aurora or Strombeker, or other brands of old slot cars. And both are STILL a handful to drive!

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80445	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 2/28/2018
Subject: Re: Old Race Cars

Stumpy,

I think we lived the same childhood several states apart only there were no slot car clubs but we did have a commercial slot car center. I worked for Mr Knight after school and summers for 75 cents an hour. Do you remember using oil of wintergreen on your back tires for traction? With all the "fads" that hit I always went back to my first love.....trains and especially S scale.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80446	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/28/2018
Subject: Re: Old Race cars

Yep, Bob, we used Oil of Wintergreen too, especially on "Spongies" the soft foam rubber tires that were so good on the commercial tracks. At one time in the late sixties and early seventies there were four commercial tracks within a twenty mile radius of me. I started out with a 1/24 scale K&B Ford GT in '64 and had to get rides to the races with older kids as I was only 14. There was a "circuit" of these tracks on different nights of the week, and a "Season Championship" run on a points system like real racing, so it was a pretty big deal at the time.

In 1974 we were down to one commercial slot car track and the organized racing was only for four months in the winter. I raced in both the scratch built "Unlimited" class where we made up our own chassis by soldering brass tubing together, and two "Production" classes. By then we were using silicone tires on some cars and spongies on others. In the Production classes I raced a Cox Chaparral 2E with a working "wing," and in Modified Production a pair of Cox La Cucarracha cars which were stylized Chaparrals with Murra motors. I won the Season Championship that year and collected $400. But it turned out that was the end of racing on commercial tracks in this area when this track closed. And that ended the slot cars for many years. I tried R/C race cars in 1977 and raced them very successfully for12 years.

In 2000 a few of us who were members of the car club I was in decided to dabble in slot cars in 1/32 scale. Each of us built a track on a 4x8 sheet of plywood and we raced in winter, going to a different track weekly. Times had changed and the 1/32 cars looked as good as any model or die cast car, and ran at least as well as our old 1/24 scale commercial track cars. But after three winters, we got "burnt out" and this folded up.

In 2010, a guy I knew got me interested in HO slot cars when I learned he was racing with two clubs in the Pittsburgh area. I ran both circuits for the next seven years running all classes. I built some of my own chassis for the top class and did what modifications were needed in the "support" classes. Over the years I won a lot of Heat races, a few Feature races, and a couple of Special events, including the Twin 200's in the city. We raced twice a month from September to May and the grind of winter travel and the costs finally got me down and dropped out at the end of the 2016 season. Now I dabble with "slotless" race cars which have long been out of production. These include cars and sets from Ideal TCR, Aurora Speedsteer, Tyco TCR, and others from 1977 through 1996.

Obviously, growing up in a mechanical family, the slot cars led me into real cars. I raced Stock Cars, built and raced hopped up VW's and dune biggies, helped by father restore vintage Chevrolets, and built and showed Hot Rods and other specialty cars. But like you, trains have always been my main interest and still are. I've worked in every scale and gauge from Z up to 7 1/2" gauge "ride on" size. And I still work in S, On30, HO, and HOn30. I worked in a hobby shop part time for twenty years and used to do as many as ten train shows a year. We haven't missed a Spring S Spree since 2005 and will be at this year's event in Dayton.

Race carefully! Stumpy in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80447	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 2/28/2018
Subject: Re: Old Race cars

Stumpy, my slot car racing ended when I joined the Navy in 67.....no tracks on ships but I could build trains then send em home when I finished. I had a lot of kits built by the time I got out in 71. Then I got bit by another bug........RODEO!!! Ya can't rodeo all the time so.......yup built more trains. I had a horse go over backward with me and I got banged up pretty good. The doc told me you better find something different, rodeo is gonna kill you. So I sold all my rodeo gear. But did I buy more trains? Oh, no, I bought a 55 Chevy stock car and went racing. That doctor would have had a coronary. I won some races but never the championship. Finally gave it up about 78. Through it all there were trains. I guess trains are in my blood.....and ya know what?....I'm proud of that lolol.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80448	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/1/2018
Subject: Re: Original AF Boys Club film

Film does become brittle with age. The gentlest projectors are Bell & Howell units (AFAIK).. These still aren’t “cheap” for just a one-time or so viewing. However, there may be some film “nuts” near you with one. I have a few of my own, two 1K watt incandescent units (great for a relatively small room, like a school room or small church hall) and some “sealed-arc” lamp projectors that will work in a theatre (where I used them). The sealed-arc bulbs are rather expensive at retail (like couple hundred bucks) and are rated at 50 hours life-span! You can still sometimes pickup projectors at school surplus sales, where they will be CHEAP! That being said, I haven’t used my projectors for a few years now, it seems everything is on digital nowadays, though there are film “nuts” who insist on showing FILM.

S’

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80449	From: americanflyer	Date: 3/1/2018
Subject: Re: Original AF Boys Club film

Hi bill if you can get them on dvd would be interested in getting copy depending cost thanks Stan

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------

From: "race944t@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 2/26/18 8:53 AM (GMT-05:00)

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] Original AF Boys Club film

I'll bring them to York. Anyone know of an available 16mm projector that could make it to York for the Flyer-Nut meeting?

Also, anyone know how rare these films are?

"Banker" ; Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80450	From: Denny Zee	Date: 3/1/2018
Subject: Re: Original AF Boys Club film

They are also on youtube.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80451	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/1/2018
Subject: Slot car issues. Running an AW and their is no rear screw. will try

The issue is they don't make good electrical contact. Speed keeps them going. I am trying to add a rear guide to keep them on the track. I might try and build rear power pick ups for better electrical contact.

This is mostly for my Back To The Future building exhibit.

Guess I can just catch the car as it go's by in a drop off if I can't keep it on the track.

May be I can have it hit a switch as it falls to turn on red LEDS in the track.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80452	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/1/2018
Subject: Re: Slot car issues...

Auto World makes two different types of HO cars. The more docile is their T-jet which has the body screws. This one is their reproduction of the Aurora "Thunder-Jet" car of the sixties and early seventies which was an outgrowth of the Model Motoring era seen as a road system. It has the distinctive "pancake" or "rotary" motor.

The faster type is the later snap on body type designed from the start as a full out race car with a more conventional "can" type motor. These were the jumping off point for most of today's HO race car designs with chassis magnets so strong that you can stick them upside down to metal light fixtures and they won't fall! Yet these same cars are so fast that the "traction magnets" cannot stop them from flying off the track and across the room when they crash!

Since we always tried to make cars faster, any thoughts I can give you are just a guess, but here goes:

Adding a pin to the rear of the chassis is as easy as drilling a hole in the plastic chassis to put a fine screw or brass rod down through for a second pin.

Slowing the car down is the real challenge. Adding more and more magnets will slow any slot car down as will extra weight. Another possibility is to add a "bind" to the wheels and axles against the sides of the chassis. The downside is premature motor burn out.

You could also use a resistor to the car to waste power, but melting the plastic body could be possible and there is no guarantee that would work. Slot cars are made for speed and the gearing is too high to slow them down without them stalling ny cutting back the voltage. This is the same problem of trying to make old toy trains crawl along at prototypical speeds without stalling. I doubt that a second set of pick up shoes will really help, but there ARE suppliers who make VERY conductive replacement pick up shoes.

Best of luck to you. In trying to overcome this problem you may come up with some new thinking beneficial to a lot of people.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80453	From: John Degnan	Date: 3/1/2018
Subject: Time Traveling Layouts

For anyone who has even a modest interest in SCI-FI...

I recently talked a guy on Shapeways into upsizing an interesting HO scale item of his to S scale for me... a DOCTOR WHO "TARDIS" phone booth! (click link below) :

https://www.shapeways.com/product/NCEEBQMAR/bds-0001-tardis-1-64-scale?key=fe9b8d72763f695d7cd6371be4b92ede&optionId=64477351

(Available in two, different finishes) (By Ballantyne Designs)

I also talked him into doing yet another time traveling phone booth... the one from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure (and the sequel), but it's not yet available..

I model the year 1957, but these two items would still be perfectly justified on my layout given their supposed time traveling abilities... so I thought these would be neat 'Easter Eggs' to put on the layout for folks to find when visiting. He MAY also offer a Gotham City phone booth (https://static.webshopapp.com/shops/179222/files/105953783/800x1024x2/knight-phone-booth.jpg) when he has time... but it's not a time traveler... would just make a great 'Easter Egg'.

I'm also in the market for a true 1/64 scale time traveling DELOREAN car (from the Back To The Future movies)... if one is available. Anyone know where I might find one?

John Degnan

Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80454	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 3/1/2018
Subject: Re: Time Traveling Layouts

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-64-scale-DieCast-Toy-Malibu-International-Reel-Rides-81-Delorean-DMC-12/32320858796.html

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 10:30 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Time Traveling Layouts

For anyone who has even a modest interest in SCI-FI...

I recently talked a guy on Shapeways into upsizing an interesting HO scale item of his to S scale for me... a DOCTOR WHO "TARDIS" phone booth! (click link below) :

https://www.shapeways.com/product/NCEEBQMAR/bds-0001-tardis-1-64-scale?key=fe9b8d72763f695d7cd6371be4b92ede&optionId=64477351

(Available in two, different finishes) (By Ballantyne Designs)

I also talked him into doing yet another time traveling phone booth... the one from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure (and the sequel), but it's not yet available..

I'm also in the market for a true 1/64 scale time traveling DELOREAN car (from the Back To The Future movies)... if one is available. Anyone know where I might find one?

John Degnan

Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80455	From: bud9351	Date: 3/2/2018
Subject: need S Helper unlettered rebuilt steel boxcar

Hello,

Looking to help out a fellow S Gauger with a project. Need an S Helper (or Am Flyer will also work) unlettered or undecorated 40' rebuilt steel boxcar, Hi Rail trucks and AF compatible couplers.

Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80456	From: allscalerails	Date: 3/3/2018
Subject: All Scale Rails Issue #19 March / April 2018

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80457	From: Michael	Date: 3/3/2018
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers display at WGH Show in Edison NJ

The South Jersey S Gaugers club will be displaying our 12' X 26'
highly detailed three level Hi Rail layout at the "World's Greatest
Hobby on Tour Show" at the New Jersey Expo Center, 97 Sunfield Ave.,
Edison, NJ on March 10 and 11.

Our layout includes three concentric ovals of American Models code
148 nickel silver track, a point to point track, and another section
of Showcase Line S-Track with many animated accessories.

Lionel, MTH and The National Association of S Gaugers will have
booths there. Many more layouts of all gauges will also be displayed
at this show.

For more show information check online: http://wghshow.com/

If you can make it to the show, please stop by and say Hi to the "S" crew.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80458	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 3/4/2018
Subject: Moving to .io

Did I miss the announcement, or are there plans to move to .io as others have. It seems like a wholesale exodus or bank run

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80459	From: tennsgauger	Date: 3/4/2018
Subject: Have 2 decal sets for cost of postage - 64-35 Pennsy Steam Locos, an

Have 2 decal sets for cost of postage - 64-35 Pennsy Steam Locos, and 64-13 NP Passsenger F Units

The Northern Pacific set has not been opened. I do not know what nickname may have been created to describe this paint scheme, but its not the scheme for the original two tone green with a white stripe separating the two. That is the scheme I thought I was ordering several years ago.

The Pennsylvania Steam Locomotives set has been opened but I think it is complete.

Send an email to tennsgauge@... if you are interested.

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80460	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/4/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to Groups (.io)

I think all the other "S" YG lists are moving to groups..io or going dormant on YG.com

FWIW IO is a top level domain, like COM. Oath may decide to move YG lists to IO as well;
they haven't revealed anything to YG list owners and moderators.

Right now the big exodus from YG lists is not the small lists, like most of the RR themed,
But big lists, with tens of thousands of members, signing up for Premium (paid) listing and being
transferred with Priority before smaller, free lists. Until the last couple of weeks
the bigger lists have been staying with YG.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'D. Scott MacKenzie' kb0fhp@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 11:07 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Moving to .io

Did I miss the announcement, or are there plans to move to .io as others have. It seems like a wholesale exodus or bank run

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80461	From: tennsgauger	Date: 3/4/2018
Subject: Re: Have 2 decal sets for postage - 64-35 Pennsy Steam Locos set has

The Pennsy set is spoken for. The NP is still available.

- Earl Henry

In a message dated 3/4/2018 12:44:52 PM Central Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes:

Have 2 decal sets for cost of postage - 64-35 Pennsy Steam Locos, and 64-13 NP Passsenger F Units

The Northern Pacific set has not been opened. I do not know what nickname may have been created to describe this paint scheme, but its not the scheme for the original two tone green with a white stripe separating the two. That is the scheme I thought I was ordering several years ago.

The Pennsylvania Steam Locomotives set has been opened but I think it is complete.

Send an email to tennsgauge@... if you are interested.

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80462	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/4/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

So far only one of my train groups has tested the groups.io waters and is doing it AND Yahoo Groups. There doesn't seem to be as much traffic on the groups.io version compared to those sticking with Yahoo Groups one after three weeks.

S Trains has been one of the more stable Yahoo Groups of the train ones I am a member of. The two On30 groups had a lot of problems, as did the HO group, but these have stabilized now too. The car groups are also getting back to normal and have not tried groups.io so far, nor have they discussed it.

Some others have created groups on social media such as Facebook, but that hasn't been universally popular with former Yahoo Groups members to this point. I have followed the groups.io thing with the HO group. It's just "O.K." if you know what I mean.

"Your mileage may vary."

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80463	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 3/4/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

Stumpy, I must be the only one who never had problems with yahoo. Oh well guess I go with the flow.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80464	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/6/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

I didn't say there were no problems! Yahoo was really wacky for over a month! Supposedly the trouble was changing servers during the Verizon take over transition. But it has pretty much stabilized now.

The move to groups.io on one of the HO groups I'm on ended up that the group has both Yahoo Groups and a groups.io presence now. As for myself, and it seems most others on that group, like Yahoo a bit better.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80465	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/6/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

I've moved five lists from YG to groups.io the last two months. Within a week of the move the YG lists were dead, no messages at all
while the lists on groups.io had more messages by far then they had their last month on YG. The YG lists that haven't moved are low volume posters,
50-60 a month compared to 50-600.
I think for many groups the issue has been viewing photos. One common comment has been "I can see photos again". YG lists with a lot of
photos have been having a lot of problems finding them.
An example was one list on YG supposedly only had 300MB of photos, turns out when transferred, it was actually 6.7Gb, most of the photos
had become unavailable on the YG list. The reason YG list members couldn't see photos was that YG no longer could find 95% of the photos stored.

This is one of three of my subscribed YG lists that hasn't at least started to move. One list owner is on dial-up and YG is good enough, plus he
deletes messages and photo albums monthly so there are no archives to save. The other list is in Germany and YG offers foreign language
wen sites, while groups.io is English only. The other eight are now on groups.io. The groups.io website is more user friendly and a result I have joined
nine new lists on groups.io

I belong to the GroupModeratorsForums on both YG and groups.io
One has multiple daily feedback from groups.io technical support, The YG list has had zilch. They have been able to develop creative workarounds.
The only YG list commitment from Oath/Verizon/Yahoo is that if a decision is made to shut down YG lists they will give users advance notice.
Verizon's track record on such things is spotty. Oath is a mobile media spin-off from Verizon. YG lists does not fit into the Oathe business niche.
If YG lists survive there will be changes, most YG lists had free storage for 1 GB of photos, however some had been given up to 100Gb of free storage.
If Oath audits their YG lists, those with the big free storage may find themselves in a Premium plan that costs $1100 a year. YG has been leaving
a lot of money on the table.

Starting in January, a lot of YG lists have moved to groups.io, adding a million new members to groups.io in the last five weeks. YG lists are still FIVE times larger.
If Oath gives YG lists two weeks notice before shutting down the servers, less than 10% of the remaining YG lists could be moved. If your Plan A is to stay
on YG, you don't have a Plan Be available.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 8:52 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

~~"Your mileage may vary."~~

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80466	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/6/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

I am trying to remember where S-Trains was before Yahoo. There were others, I think Yahoo actually bought out one of them.

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:33 PM, "Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 8:52 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

~~"Your mileage may vary."~~

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80467	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/6/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

I haven't been getting e-mails from S-Trains today. I went on the Yahoogroups website and for S-Trains it showed zero message activity for the last 7 days,
this is nothing new, it has happened to most of the lists on YG that I subscribe. But recently the pattern has been a week of YG grief then a couple weeks of recovery.
Not my idea of normal.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Clark <kenrclark@...>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 8:52 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

~~"Your mileage may vary."~~

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80468	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 3/6/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

Perhaps there is something wrong with your e-mail. I’ve been getting several messages a day and don’t see any problem with any of the groups to which I belong.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

I am trying to remember where S-Trains was before Yahoo. There were others, I think Yahoo actually bought out one of them.

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:33 PM, "Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 8:52 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

~~"Your mileage may vary."~~

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80469	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 3/6/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

I too have few problems receiving e-mails from the several Yahoo groups to which I belong. What I have noticed is that it seems to always the same people who agitate the most for moving to a group.io presence. Makes me wonder if this is “fake news” to get people to leave Yahoo groups and thus diminish their share of the market. If so, it certainly is a sneaky thing to do to a company.

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 11:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80470	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

Providing zero technical support for three years is a sneaky thing to do. Join the GroupModeratorsForum on YG
those are people who are still trying to work with YG. YG provides foreign language lists which the others do not.
I think the smaller the YG list, the fewer the posts, the fewer the problems. Stumpy's lists are under 100 members
while the lists I have worked with are 1,000 to 2,000 members.. One YG list that I joined years ago has had zero problems
and zero posts for several months.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Gerald Feldman' gfeldman2904@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 6, 2018 11:20 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 11:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80471	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

Egroups was the original location, and it was much nicer to moderate, and better for list members. The trouble started when yahoo fixed it. Additionally with the first yahoo hacking and with attempts to tighten security things started the downhill slide.

I moderated the robbe Schuluter r/c helicopter group at that time.

On 3/6/2018 9:25 PM, JFrederick Roberts jfred436@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I am trying to remember where S-Trains was before Yahoo. There were others, I think Yahoo actually bought out one of them.

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:33 PM, "Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've moved five lists from YG to groups.io the last two months. Within a week of the move the YG lists were dead, no messages at all
while the lists on groups.io had more messages by far then they had their last month on YG. The YG lists that haven't moved are low volume posters,
50-60 a month compared to 50-600.
I think for many groups the issue has been viewing photos. One common comment has been "I can see photos again". YG lists with a lot of
photos have been having a lot of problems finding them.
An example was one list on YG supposedly only had 300MB of photos, turns out when transferred, it was actually 6.7Gb, most of the photos
had become unavailable on the YG list. The reason YG list members couldn't see photos was that YG no longer could find 95% of the photos stored.

This is one of three of my subscribed YG lists that hasn't at least started to move. One list owner is on dial-up and YG is good enough, plus he
deletes messages and photo albums monthly so there are no archives to save. The other list is in Germany and YG offers foreign language
wen sites, while groups.io is English only. The other eight are now on groups.io. The groups.io website is more user friendly and a result I have joined
nine new lists on groups.io

I belong to the GroupModeratorsForums on both YG and groups.io
One has multiple daily feedback from groups.io technical support, The YG list has had zilch. They have been able to develop creative workarounds.
The only YG list commitment from Oath/Verizon/Yahoo is that if a decision is made to shut down YG lists they will give users advance notice.
Verizon's track record on such things is spotty. Oath is a mobile media spin-off from Verizon. YG lists does not fit into the Oathe business niche.
If YG lists survive there will be changes, most YG lists had free storage for 1 GB of photos, however some had been given up to 100Gb of free storage.
If Oath audits their YG lists, those with the big free storage may find themselves in a Premium plan that costs $1100 a year. YG has been leaving
a lot of money on the table.

Starting in January, a lot of YG lists have moved to groups.io, adding a million new members to groups.io in the last five weeks. YG lists are still FIVE times larger.
If Oath gives YG lists two weeks notice before shutting down the servers, less than 10% of the remaining YG lists could be moved. If your Plan A is to stay
on YG, you don't have a Plan Be available.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 8:52 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

So far only one of my train groups has tested the groups.io waters and is doing it AND Yahoo Groups. There doesn't seem to be as much traffic on the groups.io version compared to those sticking with Yahoo Groups one after three weeks.

S Trains has been one of the more stable Yahoo Groups of the train ones I am a member of. The two On30 groups had a lot of problems, as did the HO group, but these have stabilized now too. The car groups are also getting back to normal and have not tried groups.io so far, nor have they discussed it.

Some others have created groups on social media such as Facebook, but that hasn't been universally popular with former Yahoo Groups members to this point. I have followed the groups.io thing with the HO group. It's just "O.K." if you know what I mean.

~~"Your mileage may vary."~~

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80472	From: Lee Brown	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

Compusev on a Commodore 64, yep those were days. And then someone said we can make it better

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 7:18 AM, Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Egroups was the original location, and it was much nicer to moderate, and better for list members. The trouble started when yahoo fixed it. Additionally with the first yahoo hacking and with attempts to tighten security things started the downhill slide.

I moderated the robbe Schuluter r/c helicopter group at that time.

On 3/6/2018 9:25 PM, JFrederick Roberts jfred436@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I am trying to remember where S-Trains was before Yahoo. There were others, I think Yahoo actually bought out one of them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80473	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

This group was founded in Sep 26, 1998... I have been a member since 99... I will keep coming here to this one. It's the only one I know! and the one I like... Right now their going thru some reorganize... I think I had problem with the Email one time back 2007... I'm having no problems now! Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80474	From: race944t	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

I rarely post and read the daily digest and rarely the individual messages on the site but I’ve had no issues.

“Banker” Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80475	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: groups.io

I am totally in the dark with this, I must have missed something. The
groups.io have been talked about here for some time but I have no idea
of what groups.io is. Can someone here clarify this for me?

Thank you

Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80476	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

Many of the groups are having issues – with emails not being delivered, no pictures, etc. I never had an issues, but a lot did. About half of the groups have moved to io while the other half not. It depends on the group. I am not afraid of a change or set in my ways that I resist – it is only electrons being inconvenienced.

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80477	From: beebear	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: groups.io

It is the Google version of the Yahoo groups

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 9:50 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] groups.io

Virus-free. www..avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80478	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: groups.io

Groups.io is a web site that offers the same functionality (and some
improvements over) the Yahoo! Groups. Groups.io is NOT associated with
Google. The developer or developers that created and run Groups.io were
the same ones that originally created the Yahoo! Groups software, so
they have a lot of experience.

Yahoo! Groups was paid for by advertisements (and, perhaps, selling
member data to advertisers). Groups.io does neither advertisements, nor
do they track members/subscribers/users personal data. To offset the
costs associated with providing space on a web server for all those
groups' e-mails, photos, and files, they offer three levels. The first
level is free, but limits the group to only 1GB of data storage. The
next two levels up require payment (monthly or annual), which each
providing successively more storage space.

The web site user interface of Groups.io is much cleaner and easier to
use than the Yahoo! Groups one. Groups.io also provides a simple
interface for moving an entire Yahoo! Group to Groups.io. It is
automatically done, but will take several days. It is typically the
moderator or owner of the group that initiates that. The members of the
Yahoo! Group do not have to do anything, because your Yahoo! settings
will be automatically transferred (except your password). It is,
however, recommended that if you do not have a Groups.io account set up
yet, that you do so, so that you can post images to the group(s).
Creating an account is trivial, since they don't request personal
information (just an ID and password).

https://groups.io/
(click on the "Sign Up" link in the upper right corner)

The "S-scale" list has moved to Groups.io and from my perspective (as
just a member), the process was seamless and trivial. The Sn2 and Sn3
groups have also moved, although the Sn3 group remains active on the
Yahoo! list as well. From a member perspective it doesn't really matter
as you simply read or reply to the e-mails, as before. The "S-scale"
group is considering having members volunteer donating a couple of
dollars here and there so that the account can be a paid-for one, so
that larger and more photos can be uploaded and stored in the group's
account.

I hope that this bit of info helps.
- Peter.

On 03/07/2018 8:50 am, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] wrote:
> I am totally in the dark with this, I must have missed something. The
> groups.io have been talked about here for some time but I have no idea
> of what groups.io is. Can someone here clarify this for me?
>
> Thank you
>
> Ray

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
My business site: http://fourthray.com/
Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
NASG site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80479	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

Well yes, if there are no posts, one would “expect” no problems. However, sometimes the opposite occurs. Because members don’t receive any messages, they start putting up posts complaining that something must be wrong with YG because they aren’t receiving any posts. Can’t win. { ;-) I am not a moderator so I don’t see that end of it.. I do know of one instance where a group collapsed when the moderator’s computer died and he didn’t replace it. Sometimes spring happens, and people would rather be outside than typing on a computer.

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 12:38 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80480	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: groups.io

With the lack of technical support from Yahoo Groups (no support for the last 3 years), many list owners of active groups have become frustrated and looking
for alternatives to the lists on YG FWIW (Oath a mobile Media company) now controls YG, who knows it could become a smart phone app.

Most YG list owners have concentrated on three alternatives; Facebook Groups, Google Groups, and groups.io
I am on a couple of Facebook Groups lists, but I avoid Facebook most of the time so I don't contribute. However
it is very good at hosting video clips. Google groups is still supported but it hasn't had any recent innovation,
much like YG in that regard, but it does have technical support. groups.io is the newcomer, developed by the
same person who developed what became YahooGroups. groups.io has no connection with Google.

However frustration with YahooGroups and Google Groups led to the development of an Easy Group Transfer
function in groups.io to transfer lists from both groups.

For now YahooGroups has a big advantage for non-English language lists. groups.io is English only.
YG lists offer a lot more free storage of photos; when Oath evaluates the future of YG;
this free storage will likely be a major factor in cost analysis; expect either to pay for storage or for YG to be shut down.

The future of YG has not been announced, but some internal leaks from Oath have implied a business plan decision
in early May. In the same manner they have implied that if YG lists are shut down, notice will be given. There has been no
assurance that YG will continue as is. YG lists continue to suffer in routine operation, but it is not always apparent, messages
I sent this week to S-Trains took over 24 hours to post. Because I am on several YG lists, I frequently read messages on the YG
web page. Two days ago there were zero messages on the S-Trains directory and no messages had been posted in 7 days.
I checked a dozen other lists on YG, only S-trains had temporarily lost it's message directory. That's life on YG lists at the moment,
ebs and flows. In two months we may know for sure.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'beebear' beebear@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 8:58 am
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] groups.io

It is the Google version of the Yahoo groups

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 9:50 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] groups.io

Virus-free. www..avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80481	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 12:38 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 11:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80482	From: Donald Keil	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: groups.io

Peter thanks for the information very helpful

Don Keil

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 12:53 PM, "Peter Vanvliet groups@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On 03/07/2018 8:50 am, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] wrote:
> I am totally in the dark with this, I must have missed something. The
> groups.io have been talked about here for some time but I have no idea
> of what groups.io is. Can someone here clarify this for me?
>
> Thank you
>
> Ray

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
My business site: http://fourthray.com/
Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/
NASG site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80483	From: snstrains	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Moving to groups.io

I haven't had any trouble with YH groups either.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/7/2018 12:23:32 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Perhaps there is something wrong with your e-mail. I’ve been getting several messages a day and don’t see any problem with any of the groups to which I belong.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

I am trying to remember where S-Trains was before Yahoo. There were others, I think Yahoo actually bought out one of them.

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:33 PM, "Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've moved five lists from YG to groups.io the last two months. Within a week of the move the YG lists were dead, no messages at all
while the lists on groups.io had more messages by far then they had their last month on YG. The YG lists that haven't moved are low volume posters,
50-60 a month compared to 50-600.
I think for many groups the issue has been viewing photos. One common comment has been "I can see photos again". YG lists with a lot of
photos have been having a lot of problems finding them.
An example was one list on YG supposedly only had 300MB of photos, turns out when transferred, it was actually 6.7Gb, most of the photos
had become unavailable on the YG list. The reason YG list members couldn't see photos was that YG no longer could find 95% of the photos stored.

This is one of three of my subscribed YG lists that hasn't at least started to move. One list owner is on dial-up and YG is good enough, plus he
deletes messages and photo albums monthly so there are no archives to save. The other list is in Germany and YG offers foreign language
wen sites, while groups.io is English only. The other eight are now on groups.io. The groups.io website is more user friendly and a result I have joined
nine new lists on groups.io

I belong to the GroupModeratorsForums on both YG and groups.io
One has multiple daily feedback from groups.io technical support, The YG list has had zilch. They have been able to develop creative workarounds.
The only YG list commitment from Oath/Verizon/Yahoo is that if a decision is made to shut down YG lists they will give users advance notice.
Verizon's track record on such things is spotty. Oath is a mobile media spin-off from Verizon. YG lists does not fit into the Oathe business niche.
If YG lists survive there will be changes, most YG lists had free storage for 1 GB of photos, however some had been given up to 100Gb of free storage.
If Oath audits their YG lists, those with the big free storage may find themselves in a Premium plan that costs $1100 a year. YG has been leaving
a lot of money on the table.

Starting in January, a lot of YG lists have moved to groups.io, adding a million new members to groups.io in the last five weeks. YG lists are still FIVE times larger.
If Oath gives YG lists two weeks notice before shutting down the servers, less than 10% of the remaining YG lists could be moved. If your Plan A is to stay
on YG, you don't have a Plan Be available.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 8:52 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

So far only one of my train groups has tested the groups.io waters and is doing it AND Yahoo Groups. There doesn't seem to be as much traffic on the groups.io version compared to those sticking with Yahoo Groups one after three weeks.

S Trains has been one of the more stable Yahoo Groups of the train ones I am a member of. The two On30 groups had a lot of problems, as did the HO group, but these have stabilized now too. The car groups are also getting back to normal and have not tried groups.io so far, nor have they discussed it.

Some others have created groups on social media such as Facebook, but that hasn't been universally popular with former Yahoo Groups members to this point. I have followed the groups.io thing with the HO group. It's just "O..K." if you know what I mean.

~~"Your mileage may vary."~~

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80484	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: groups.io

Peter,

Thank you again, you had gotten me straightened out on the NASG website
and again here. I checked the site out and signed up.

Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80485	From: n_cbqguy	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

Lee-

Oh, Mr. Fancy Pants….a Commodore 64!!!

We started with a Commodore 16…..….and when we got the 64 what an improvement that was!!!

And then they introduced a cassette tape drive so that you could store your programs instead of typing them in each time you turned on the computer!! Then a floppy disc drive!!!

A little different from today when I’m wondering if my 5TB disc drive is too small for all my files and thinking it would be nice to have all solid state drives so that I wouldn’t have to wait so many seconds for files to load!!!

Amazing contrast between computers and trains….

…..the original American Flyer stuff holds up pretty well compared to the newer stuff with all the electronic bells and whistles! Smoke and Choo-Choo Rules!!!

Charlie Vlk

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 7:41 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

Compusev on a Commodore 64, yep those were days. And then someone said we can make it better

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80486	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

The message from me below, with the posting date of Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:33 PM
was actually Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 10:00 pm
That's 46 hours it was stuck in the YahooGroups ether when this list was off-line, you don't realize the delay
because YG posted it with a different Date/Time.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: boss31@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 11:52 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Moving to groups.io

I haven't had any trouble with YH groups either.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/7/2018 12:23:32 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Perhaps there is something wrong with your e-mail. I’ve been getting several messages a day and don’t see any problem with any of the groups to which I belong.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:26 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

I am trying to remember where S-Trains was before Yahoo. There were others, I think Yahoo actually bought out one of them.

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:33 PM, "Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've moved five lists from YG to groups.io the last two months. Within a week of the move the YG lists were dead, no messages at all
while the lists on groups.io had more messages by far then they had their last month on YG. The YG lists that haven't moved are low volume posters,
50-60 a month compared to 50-600.
I think for many groups the issue has been viewing photos. One common comment has been "I can see photos again". YG lists with a lot of
photos have been having a lot of problems finding them.
An example was one list on YG supposedly only had 300MB of photos, turns out when transferred, it was actually 6.7Gb, most of the photos
had become unavailable on the YG list. The reason YG list members couldn't see photos was that YG no longer could find 95% of the photos stored.

This is one of three of my subscribed YG lists that hasn't at least started to move. One list owner is on dial-up and YG is good enough, plus he
deletes messages and photo albums monthly so there are no archives to save. The other list is in Germany and YG offers foreign language
wen sites, while groups.io is English only. The other eight are now on groups.io. The groups.io website is more user friendly and a result I have joined
nine new lists on groups.io

I belong to the GroupModeratorsForums on both YG and groups.io
One has multiple daily feedback from groups.io technical support, The YG list has had zilch. They have been able to develop creative workarounds.
The only YG list commitment from Oath/Verizon/Yahoo is that if a decision is made to shut down YG lists they will give users advance notice.
Verizon's track record on such things is spotty. Oath is a mobile media spin-off from Verizon. YG lists does not fit into the Oathe bu siness niche.
If YG lists survive there will be changes, most YG lists had free storage for 1 GB of photos, however some had been given up to 100Gb of free storage.
If Oath audits their YG lists, those with the big free storage may find themselves in a Premium plan that costs $1100 a year. YG has been leaving
a lot of money on the table.

Starting in January, a lot of YG lists have moved to groups.io, adding a million new members to groups.io in the last five weeks. YG lists are still FIVE times larger.
If Oath gives YG lists two weeks notice before shutting down the servers, less than 10% of the remaining YG lists could be moved. If your Plan A is to stay
on YG, you don't have a Plan Be available.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2018 8:52 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

So far only one of my train groups has tested the groups.io waters and is doing it AND Yahoo Groups. There doesn't seem to be as much traffic on the groups.io version compared to those sticking with Yahoo Groups one after three weeks.

S Trains has been one of the more stable Yahoo Groups of the train ones I am a member of. The two On30 groups had a lot of problems, as did the HO group, but these have stabilized now too. The car groups are also getting back to normal and have not tried groups.io so far, nor have they discussed it.

Some others have created groups on social media such as Facebook, but that hasn't been universally popular with former Yahoo Groups members to this point. I have followed the groups.io thing with the HO group. It's just "O..K." if you know what I mean.

~~"Your mileage may vary."~~

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80487	From: Lee Brown	Date: 3/7/2018
Subject: Re: Moving to groups.io

Well if I told you that we got a PET as a gift from Jack Tramel, I would really be dating myself. My family worked for the Tramel’s back when. My uncles paid a big price for that Christmas present. Seems like the grass bill wasn’t paid for six months in lieu of taking the gift.

I only look at great opportunities that technology is giving us. And when we look at the changes in the last 50 Years. Wow. Someday there will be a robot to put those old American flyers back on the track

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 3:20 PM, cvlk@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Lee-
Oh, Mr. Fancy Pants….a Commodore 64!!!
We started with a Commodore 16…..….and when we got the 64 what an improvement that was!!!
And then they introduced a cassette tape drive so that you could store your programs instead of typing them in each time you turned on the computer!! Then a floppy disc drive!!!
A little different from today when I’m wondering if my 5TB disc drive is too small for all my files and thinking it would be nice to have all solid state drives so that I wouldn’t have to wait so many seconds for files to load!!!
Amazing contrast between computers and trains….
…..the original American Flyer stuff holds up pretty well compared to the newer stuff with all the electronic bells and whistles!   Smoke and Choo-Choo Rules!!!
Charlie Vlk

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 7:41 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Moving to groups.io

Compusev on a Commodore 64, yep those were days. And then someone said we can make it better

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80488	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/8/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

I suspect there is more than just a Yahoo screw up going on. Ken reports that his messages are not getting posted, but so far I've had no problem with S Trains since last Wednesday (knock on wood.) Yet one of the other Yahoo groups I frequent is having problems again since Tuesday of this week. And it seems that those who go to the group site have less trouble than those who get their posts on e-mail.

During this same period, I have had problems with my Comcast TV, Internet, and e-mail repeatedly. A friend who has TV and Internet on satellite dish has problems every time the weather gets bad, but otherwise is having no problems with his Yahoo Groups.

This is beginning to look like a bigger problem is brewing, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80489	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

It's been so long, I can't remember the last time I received an S-Trains posting until yours just came. And I get the individual messages...not the Digest.

Doug Peck

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 03/08/2018 7:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving...

This is beginning to look like a bigger problem is brewing, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80490	From: snstrains	Date: 3/8/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

I sure don't haave any problems. I get several postings every day.

Steve in Boise

In a message dated 3/8/2018 5:54:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

It's been so long, I can't remember the last time I received an S-Trains posting until yours just came. And I get the individual messages...not the Digest.

Doug Peck

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 03/08/2018 7:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving...

I suspect there is more than just a Yahoo screw up going on. Ken reports that his messages are not getting posted, but so far I've had no problem with S Trains since last Wednesday (knock on wood.) Yet one of the other Yahoo groups I frequent is having problems again since Tuesday of this week. And it seems that those who go to the group site have less trouble than those who get their posts on e-mail.

During this same period, I have had problems with my Comcast TV, Internet, and e-mail repeatedly. A friend who has TV and Internet on satellite dish has problems every time the weather gets bad, but otherwise is having no problems with his Yahoo Groups.

This is beginning to look like a bigger problem is brewing, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80491	From: trainz4brainz	Date: 3/9/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

Me too.....

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------

From: "boss31@... [S-Trains]"

Date: 3/8/18 9:51 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Moving...

I sure don't haave any problems. I get several postings every day.

Steve in Boise

In a message dated 3/8/2018 5:54:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80492	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 3/9/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

Hi Stumpy:
Maybe net non-neutrality is hitting already??:-)
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 3/8/2018 13:07, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I suspect there is more than just a Yahoo screw up going on. Ken reports that his messages are not getting posted, but so far I've had no problem with S Trains since last Wednesday (knock on wood.) Yet one of the other Yahoo groups I frequent is having problems again since Tuesday of this week. And it seems that those who go to the group site have less trouble than those who get their posts on e-mail.

During this same period, I have had problems with my Comcast TV, Internet, and e-mail repeatedly. A friend who has TV and Internet on satellite dish has problems every time the weather gets bad, but otherwise is having no problems with his Yahoo Groups.

This is beginning to look like a bigger problem is brewing, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80493	From: Lee Brown	Date: 3/9/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

We all know that Putin is not interfering with Yahoo.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Friday, March 9, 2018, 3:58 AM, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Stumpy:
Maybe net non-neutrality is hitting already??:-)
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 3/8/2018 13:07, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I suspect there is more than just a Yahoo screw up going on. Ken reports that his messages are not getting posted, but so far I've had no problem with S Trains since last Wednesday (knock on wood.) Yet one of the other Yahoo groups I frequent is having problems again since Tuesday of this week. And it seems that those who go to the group site have less trouble than those who get their posts on e-mail.

During this same period, I have had problems with my Comcast TV, Internet, and e-mail repeatedly. A friend who has TV and Internet on satellite dish has problems every time the weather gets bad, but otherwise is having no problems with his Yahoo Groups.

This is beginning to look like a bigger problem is brewing, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80494	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/9/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

Same here – no problems, lots of postings…

I suggest that at least some of it is individual email problems.

Al Baker

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 6:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Moving...

I sure don't haave any problems. I get several postings every day.

Steve in Boise

In a message dated 3/8/2018 5:54:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

It's been so long, I can't remember the last time I received an S-Trains posting until yours just came.. And I get the individual messages...not the Digest.
Doug Peck

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 03/08/2018 7:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving...

I suspect there is more than just a Yahoo screw up going on. Ken reports that his messages are not getting posted, but so far I've had no problem with S Trains since last Wednesday (knock on wood.) Yet one of the other Yahoo groups I frequent is having problems again since Tuesday of this week. And it seems that those who go to the group site have less trouble than those who get their posts on e-mail.

During this same period, I have had problems with my Comcast TV, Internet, and e-mail repeatedly. A friend who has TV and Internet on satellite dish has problems every time the weather gets bad, but otherwise is having no problems with his Yahoo Groups.

This is beginning to look like a bigger problem is brewing, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80495	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 3/9/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

I have not missed any either, but I know for a fact that once it became yahoo groups they have always been finicky about bouncing certain domains.

This got worse as they made an attempt to tighten security after their many hackings. They also frequently have dns issues as reported a few weeks back.

The people that check their groups messages via the web interface at the yahoo groups site have less problems because typically the messages get to them.

The problem is their propensity to mark a server as "bouncing" when they echo the messages out.

They do not allow enough response time from the server they are forwarding the message to. I suspect some of the problem is their own latency issues.

Sometimes they even bounce to yahoo domain name email, particularly if it is a free account.

I am certainly glad I am no longer a moderator on a high traffic yahoo group.

Long story short, I believe everything I am hearing from the people having issues, but I suspect only a few have a real problem on their end.

They can legitimately blame on their email account.

On 3/9/2018 10:46 AM, 'Al Baker' albaker33@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Same here – no problems, lots of postings…

I suggest that at least some of it is individual email problems.

Al Baker

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 6:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Subject: Re: RE: [S-Trains] RE: Moving...

I sure don't haave any problems. I get several postings every day.

Steve in Boise

In a message dated 3/8/2018 5:54:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

It's been so long, I can't remember the last time I received an S-Trains posting until yours just came.. And I get the individual messages...not the Digest.

Doug Peck

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 03/08/2018 7:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Moving...

I suspect there is more than just a Yahoo screw up going on. Ken reports that his messages are not getting posted, but so far I've had no problem with S Trains since last Wednesday (knock on wood.) Yet one of the other Yahoo groups I frequent is having problems again since Tuesday of this week. And it seems that those who go to the group site have less trouble than those who get their posts on e-mail.

During this same period, I have had problems with my Comcast TV, Internet, and e-mail repeatedly. A friend who has TV and Internet on satellite dish has problems every time the weather gets bad, but otherwise is having no problems with his Yahoo Groups.

This is beginning to look like a bigger problem is brewing, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80496	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/9/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

I don't think it is an e-mail account issue, I posted messages to this list and copied others at the same time. The copies were received and replied
within a couple of hours, it took YG lists 46 hours to post the message. If you are receiving individual e-mails you might not notice because YG
re-badges the message with when they send it out to the list, rather than when it was written on received by YG lists.

AS far as e-mail accounts, the Yahoo Mail portal was used by the Baby Bells and others, more than just Yahoo mail. And the Yahoo mail portal has been hacked
several times. But Yahoo no longer exists, and neither does my e-mail service AOL. Both were acquired by Verizon and are being merged, some thought AOL was
acquired for its better mail portal. Whether they realize it or not, I imagine most members of this list are now getting e-mail service from Verizon. Remember this list is
old technology; If you have upgraded your OS or are using a new computer purchased in the last three years you may have trouble running heritage software like Yahoo Groups.
AS technology moves forward, services like YG need to maintain pace or fall into disuse. Hopefully Oath announce a plan for YG lists that includes catching up on three years of neglect.

FWIW YG lists run fine with a dial-up modem...

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80497	From: fahrwud	Date: 3/9/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

Well, I signed up for groups.io today, just in case there's a mass migration to that domain. The annoying glitches with Yahoo seem to be piling up. In my case it's group postings showing up days after I hit 'enter', and photos that I can't post or can't see in somebody else's post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80498	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/9/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

DW,
When I moved the S-scale list; being able to see photos again was the usual comment from YG list members. Members were still getting
e-mails when on YG, although delayed much of the time. But many had given up on seeing photos, just getting e-mails was enough
for them to stay on the list. There are 'S' specialty lists already on groups.io, Sn3, Sn42, etc... The problem is that most YG lists had free
100GB storage and groups.io becomes a Premium list when you need more than 1 GB. Lists with thousands of photos are reluctant to move
to groups.io for that reason. What I found with one list with 7 GB of stored photos, the YG photo directory could only access 274 MB of that total.
It wasn't until I moved the list did I find out how big the photo storage had actually been.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: fahrwud@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2018 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Moving...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80499	From: carl4flyer	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

Yahoo is down.

We are in the process of moving the S-train group to https://groups.io/g/S-Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80500	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: S Narrow Gauge?

I have been thinking about trying to do some kind of narrow gauge in S scale as an add own to my S "Hi-rail" activities. I have done "G"scale, On30, and HOn30 over the years, so I am thinking running S sized trains on HO track by using HO chassis as a base for construction, similar to On30 using HO items as a base for O scale narrow gauge.

The reason for not using accurately scaled equipment Sn2 or Sn3 equipment is that it is just WAY too expensive, and I have scratch built and kit bashed things for years to get around this financial handicap. I know others must already be doing this or something similar, but I've seen virtually nothing about it and don't know where to start. I'm guessing this would be called "Sn42."

Where can I learn more?

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80501	From: fahrwud	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

Thanks Kenneth. I'm sure all the admins' efforts are much appreciated by all of us. Thank you for the info.
Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80502	From: rxman46321	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Hi-Rail wheelsets to swap.

Gentlemen,

I Have 134 hi-rail wheelsets that I am looking to swap for scale sets. These are predominately s-helper.

John Griffin

rxman46321 at aol.com off line please

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80503	From: acgtx1	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Buying "New" Diesel Locos

Attachments :

Hi
I am considering acquiring a couple of contemporary diesel locomotives (running all "S" steam from the late 1940s/early 1950s at present). I want to run conventional transformer operation and perhaps bluetooth - not yet ready to convert to Legacy, TMCC, DCC, etc. at this point. The sound systems available today are cool and I would like to have at least basic sound capability on any diesels I acquire. I am currently using a Flyer transformer from the 1960s (i.e., 22090, 22035, 16B, etc.) which do not have the bell/whistle/horn buttons but am aware of the Dallee controls that can be added. What loco brand is best for my needs? American Models, Flyonel, MTH? So which brand(s) is most reliable? Which brand(s) has the best sound? Which brand(s) works best with legacy Flyer track? Which brand(s) works best with Flyer conventional transformers?

What are your thoughts and experiences? Please comment. Looking forward to hearing from you.

A photo of our recently reconfigured layout is attached. Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80504	From: Bob South	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Re: S Narrow Gauge?

Stumpy,

Check out the SN42 Conspiracy group on Groups..io.

Robert

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80505	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

I hear you guys, Got it... Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80506	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Re: S Narrow Gauge?

Stumpy,
Sn42 is active on Groups.io, several lists.
Railmaster makes a lot of kits available of US Prototypes in addition to NZR (New Zealand standard gauge is 42")
they first Started with the White Pass & Yukon, a 3' prototype that acquired rolling stock from 17 railroads, kits were designed to be
built as Sn42 gauge running on HO track or as Sn3 with instructions on narrowing. In the last few years much of their line has
also been available RTR which are more expensive.
You realize 42" is 'bastard gauge' ?

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark HO & Sn42)

-----Original Message-----
From: mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 12, 2018 12:24 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] S Narrow Gauge?

Where can I learn more?

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80507	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Re: Moving...

Dave,
I may have pushed by helping the competition, S-Scale, move to groups.io and by providing updates on what has had happened on both YG and groups.io

Over a year ago, YG put restrictions on owners who did not have Yahoo mail accounts. It wasn't well publicized and I never bothered changing my membership
e-mail addresses to Yahoo.mail I suspect that this may have contributed to my problems in accessing the YG web site when trying to moderate my lists. This is not
an issue that will disappear soon. This last weekend the Postmaster@ Yahoo.mail was blocking posts on groups.io lists by members with Yahoo.mail accounts.
The member had complained to me as moderator, so I went to the activity log which had recorded the Yahoo blocking. Joining the GroupManagersForum (on both groups.io
and YG) has helped a lot, I didn't have to re-invent the wheel. Going to the activity log for the groups.io lists I manage helps identify the true nature of the problem.
Many times members think they have a problem with the web site when they try to perform a task by e-mail. The resolution is to have them get a groups.io password to
access the web page. One problem for many members is that they do not know that they can have multiple e-mail addresses in the same list with the same user name (upper
right corner of the web page), this creates confusion for members who use multiple e-mail addresses. Lists on groups.io track your activity first by e-mail address, not user name.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P..O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: fahrwud@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 12, 2018 12:34 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Moving...

Thanks Kenneth. I'm sure all the admins' efforts are much appreciated by all of us. Thank you for the info.
Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80508	From: race944t	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Re: Hi-Rail wheelsets to swap.

I have scale wheels and couplers for the SHS NKP hopper and need hi-rail wheels and couplers. We can swap if you have the couplers too

'Banker" Bill Clark

---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80509	From: racin510	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Re: S Narrow Gauge?

Stumpy, sounds like ACG pre-war Flyer ... in reverse! Hey, why not? Just hope it stays on the track better than HO!

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80510	From: preardon4	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Re: Buying "New" Diesel Locos

I too am a dinosaur and continue to use my AC transformers. I am very happy with both the SHS diesels with Locomatic controller and also the new MTH F3 diesel with their DCS system (DVS can be operated via smart phone). The MTH is a little more expensive when you figure in the cost of the DCS system, but the sound is a step ahead of the Locomatic (which is essentially a Dallee system). On the other hand, I have found the Flyonel diesels to be lacking in visual appeal.

Doug at Portlines Hobbies should be able to help with whatever your choice may be, and he is a great resource if you need some guidance.

Pat, in (Snowy)(Again) Maine

From: greenjumpertx@... [S-Trains]

Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 10:31 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] Buying "New" Diesel Locos

What are your thoughts and experiences? Please comment. Looking forward to hearing from you.

A photo of our recently reconfigured layout is attached. Thanks for your help.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80511	From: fahrwud	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: Re: S Narrow Gauge?

Sounds like a great project - your best bet is digging around the South African/Australian/New Zealander model railroad spectrum, where Sn3.5 has quite a few fans. Here's one:

Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80512	From: chuck_7612	Date: 3/12/2018
Subject: ] Buying "New" Diesel Locos

Opinions are aplenty, but I feel the flyonel SD70's, ES44's and U33c's are visually stunning and incredibly detailed. And apart from certain DCC decoders, I think they have the best sound quality in S, although the MTH F-3's are nearly as good.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80513	From: gsc3	Date: 3/15/2018
Subject: MTH DCS system

I'm an S scale Modeler in Johnson City, TN. I bought a new, scale, MTH F-3. I can't program it with NCE or MRC. Does anyone live within 50 to maybe a hundred miles of Johnson City, Tn, upper east Tennessee, have a MTH DCS system I could come visit to program my F-3? In main I'd like to kill the engineer talking and lower the overall sound volume.

If so you can contact me at gsc3@ or (at) yahoo.com.

Thanks,

George Courtney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80514	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/15/2018
Subject: Re: Moving

 Re: Moving...
    Posted by:  carl@... carl4flyer
    Date: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:22 pm ((PDT))

Yahoo is down.

 



 We are in the process of moving the S-train group to https://groups.io/g/S-Trains https://groups.io/g/S-Trains

hank you for moderating this site Carl, I am glad now that I signed up for :io S trains a few days back.

Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80515	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: MTH DCS system

Cant they help you at the local hobby shop where you bought it from? They should be able to help.

http://sscaleresource.com/

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:56 PM, gsc3@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm an S scale Modeler in Johnson City, TN. I bought a new, scale, MTH F-3. I can't program it with NCE or MRC. Does anyone live within 50 to maybe a hundred miles of Johnson City, Tn, upper east Tennessee, have a MTH DCS system I could come visit to program my F-3? In main I'd like to kill the engineer talking and lower the overall sound volume.
If so you can contact me at gsc3@ or (at) yahoo.com.

Thanks,
George Courtney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80516	From: Edward Davis	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: Moving

Very good, moving, I've posted some msgs that never showed up. A traction site I visit also had Yahoo issues. thanx Ed Davis

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 7:09 AM, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Re: Moving... Posted by: carl@... carl4flyer Date: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:22 pm ((PDT)) Yahoo is down. We are in the process of moving the S-train group to https://groups.io/g/S-Trains https://groups.io/g/S-Trains

hank you for moderating this site Carl, I am glad now that I signed up for :io S trains a few days back.

Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80517	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: S Day

Happy 3/16th Day to everyone!!! Enjoy your Trains Today... Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80518	From: henry_betz	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: Moving

How do I get an .io membership?

Henry Betz

henry_betz@...

267.261.6006

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80519	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: Moving

IO stands for 'Indian Ocean', it is a top level domain like .COM
Groups.io is a sub level like YahooGroups.com

go to
https://groups.io/

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: henry_betz@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 9:43 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Moving

How do I get an .io membership?

Henry Betz

henry_betz@yahoo..com

267.261.6006

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80520	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: fine

don't change anything.....i get yahoo goups fine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80521	From: snstrains	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: fine

I sure don't have any trouble with Yahoo groups

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/16/2018 2:06:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

don't change anything.....i get yahoo goups fine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80522	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: fine

Many are having trouble – mostly with receiving and posting in a timely fashion. I didn’t have any issue with posting, and always saw photographs. However, posting was often lagged for several days.

With all the recent issues at YG, it is only a matter of time before it folds. It is better to prepare for that eventuality than panic when something happens….

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] fine

I sure don't have any trouble with Yahoo groups

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/16/2018 2:06:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

don't change anything.....i get yahoo goups fine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80523	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: fine

And so do I

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:55 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] fine

don't change anything......i get yahoo goups fine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80524	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: fine

A large number of list subscribers choose No E-mail. They view messages from the web site and for the last view weeks there have been
many times when messages were not available for YG lists from the web site. Also Photos were unavailable. Not as many subscribers get
individual e-mails as one would think.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'D. Scott MacKenzie' kb0fhp@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 2:46 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] fine

With all the recent issues at YG, it is only a matter of time before it folds. It is better to prepare for that eventuality than panic when something happens….

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] fine

I sure don't have any trouble with Yahoo groups

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/16/2018 2:06:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

don't change anything......i get yahoo goups fine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80525	From: trainz4brainz	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: fine

I seem to get 8 or 10 a day,....... mostly about this topic.......

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------

From: "Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 3/16/18 6:12 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] fine

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

With all the recent issues at YG, it is only a matter of time before it folds. It is better to prepare for that eventuality than panic when something happens….

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] fine

I sure don't have any trouble with Yahoo groups

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/16/2018 2:06:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

don't change anything......i get yahoo goups fine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80526	From: Bruce R DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: fine

Same here. This seems to be the only topic I’ve read about from the S Trains list – and, apparently, we’re having no problem getting them.

Bruce

From: trainz4brainz trainz4brainz@... [S-Trains]

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 3:51 PM

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] fine

I seem to get 8 or 10 a day,....... mostly about this topic.......

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------

From: "Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 3/16/18 6:12 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] fine

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

With all the recent issues at YG, it is only a matter of time before it folds. It is better to prepare for that eventuality than panic when something happens….

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] fine

I sure don't have any trouble with Yahoo groups

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/16/2018 2:06:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

don't change anything......i get yahoo goups fine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80527	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: fine

I went ahead and subscribed to the new group as well as staying on the
old group.

I'm a semi-retired IT specialist and I can see where Yahoo is slowly
choking the groups to death. It's only a matter of months (weeks?)
before they just let them collapse.

I've followed the group for years and am just now getting a renewed
interest in putting my layout back together so I don't want to miss any
of the interesting posts.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80528	From: snstrains	Date: 3/16/2018
Subject: Re: fine

O I C.....I get the individual emails so I can delete subjects of no interest to me.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/16/2018 5:04:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

A large number of list subscribers choose No E-mail. They view messages from the web site and for the last view weeks there have been
many times when messages were not available for YG lists from the web site. Also Photos were unavailable. Not as many subscribers get
individual e-mails as one would think.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'D. Scott MacKenzie' kb0fhp@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 2:46 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] fine

Many are having trouble – mostly with receiving and posting in a timely fashion. I didn’t have any issue with posting, and always saw photographs. However, posting was often lagged for several days.

With all the recent issues at YG, it is only a matter of time before it folds. It is better to prepare for that eventuality than panic when something happens….

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 4:31 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] fine

I sure don't have any trouble with Yahoo groups

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/16/2018 2:06:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

don't change anything......i get yahoo goups fine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80529	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/17/2018
Subject: Re: Moving

I am also a member of the S-Scale group and they already switched over to groups.io. I get emails and noticed no difference. I just started getting messages from groups.io instead of yahoo, so you don't have to be a member to continue getting messages from migrated groups. I signed up and now have a membership, but I caution, be sure to use the email address at which you receive the messages. Yahoo allows you to send and receive messages at alternate email addresses. I log into yahoo with a yahoo address, but the messages are sent to the mail account I actually use. I think they use the address you sign in with to match you to your groups so if you use an address at which you are not actually receiving the yahoo messages, I don't think they will be able to match you to your groups.

Dale Smith

On 3/16/2018 9:32 AM, henry_betz@... [S-Trains] wrote:

How do I get an .io membership?

Henry Betz

henry_betz@...

267.261.6006

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80530	From: beebear	Date: 3/17/2018
Subject: A new Author

Hi Guys

I finally got a chance to finish up my article on how I built my little Baldwin switcher. The S Resources magazine scooped up the article for $100

and should be published in the S Resources June /July issue according to the editor.

I hope you enjoy the article.

John Frankforther

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80531	From: poniaj	Date: 3/17/2018
Subject: Re: fine

I agree with Ken. I don't get individual emails due to the amount of them I get every day. I run the same programs on the same kind of computer that many here do, and have trouble getting photos (read: none) have my photos lost, and sometimes see no postings for a week. When they do come in, there's a backlog. So I moved to .io. I'll still monitor this site from time to time, but it seems like a bad use of time to be in two S gauge groups. But so be it. There's a lot of good folks here, and on the new one. Look for me at the upcoming Spree or maybe the national convention. For the Spree, I'll be with the Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers layout (if we get enough guys to haul it). I'll be running a couple of unique trains. I'd show photos of some of them, but....

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80532	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/17/2018
Subject: Re: Moving

The lists on groups.io allow you to subscriber with different e-mail addresses. I know, as I decided to have a different e-mail address for lists on groups.io than I did for YahooGroups.

This was useful when I moved a list, as a list owner I wanted a unique ID and used my private domain e-name address. On my YG lists I used my AOL e-mail address. When a YG list transferred to groups.io my 'new' e-mail address as list owner would show up as a new member from the creation date of the list but my transferred YG e-mail address had all my archives membership data which showed me as having joined the list 16 years before the new groups.io list was created.

When you go to the groups.io website, the website shows your Display Name in the upper right corner, however only one of your e-mail addresses profile is displayed on the screen,
click on the display name and it will reveal all your e-mail addresses for that display name (and the e-mail profile being displayed). Click on the e-mail address you wish to display and the profile for that display e-mail address will appear.

Actually one of the recent YG list problems is that over a year ago Yahoo required list owners to have a Yahoo mail account in order to manage a list. This was not a popular or well documented change, it mostly effected access on the web site for moderators and those trying to browse photos and files. If you just received e-mails and never visited the YG website you didn't have the problem. This partial lock-out for non-Yahoo mail subscribers was poorly instituted and it appears that some e-mail providers that used e-mail providers affiliated with Yahoo mail were exempted as well. At this time groups.io does not have any affiliation with an e-mail provider and for groups.io lists there is no preference.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2018 5:57 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Moving

Dale Smith

On 3/16/2018 9:32 AM, henry_betz@... [S-Trains] wrote:

How do I get an .io membership?

Henry Betz

henry_betz@...

267.261.6006

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80533	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 3/17/2018
Subject: yahoo

the hell with yahoo they will do what they want..........lets talk trains
till something happens...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80534	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/17/2018
Subject: Re: not so fine

S-Trains is trying to move, they have established a new list on groups.io, but YG is becoming increasingly unstable and moving files, photos, and messages when
YG can't post them on the YG lists is problematic. Some days when YG is dysfunctional, nothing can move. If you are moving your YG list because of problems,
rest assured that the groups.io transfer will also be difficult. Messages are transferred in batches, when YG is suffering they can only be transferred a few at a time,
on good days it can be hundreds. S-Scale took 12 hours for messages on a 'good' day. Getting messages by e-mail keeps members in the dark as they don't realize how
long YG has kept them in limbo. Going to the web site to browse messages may reveal that there are none in archives, none can be browsed. So far they have always
been recovered by YG within a few days. When YG totally fails, groups.io won't be able to transfer the YG list's databases. The ship will have sailed.
So far nothing seems to have been transferred for S-trains to the groups.io list.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2018 7:10 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] fine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80535	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/17/2018
Subject: A new Author

Congratulations John! There's nothing like seeing your name in print for the first time. You'll never get rich, but it is an opportunity to share what you know and make a few bucks as well.

I started in 1989 by doing an article on scratch building a "G" scale flatcar for a then new magazine called "Garden Railways" and ended up doing a regular series on scratch building in every issue for six more years. Since then I got chances to do articles for four model train magazines, two auto racing ones, and a series for My Flyer Trains on the Internet. Since then, I found opportunities writing for Internet websites.

You just never know what you can do until you give it a try! Enjoy!

Stumpy Stone in "Ahia"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80536	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: groups.io

I belong to several other groups who have all moved to groups.io. Everything was moved....member list, photos with no problem. All members were automatically entered and each person had nothing to do except participate. I am hoping we can move as easily.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80537	From: beebear	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: Re: A new Author

Thank you Terry. Yes it will be a thrill when it happens !!

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 4:39 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE:A new Author

Congratulations John! There's nothing like seeing your name in print for the first time. You'll never get rich, but it is an opportunity to share what you know and make a few bucks as well.

You just never know what you can do until you give it a try! Enjoy!

Stumpy Stone in "Ahia"

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80538	From: hunbet	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: Staying here

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80539	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here

Hate to say it but yahoo is shutting the groups down. You don't get a choice. Thet are all moving to IO from Yahoo. Change is hard.cb

RFGCO DIESEL Simulated Motor SOUND UNIT for American Flyer S Gauge Trains | eBay

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, 68cuda440@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80540	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: This looks like a Diesel Roar replacement in a box.

DIESEL Simulated Motor SOUND UNIT for American Flyer S Gauge Trains | eBay

Find best value and selection for your DIESEL Simulated Motor SOUND UNIT for American Flyer S Gauge Trains searc...

I first ran into a Diesel motor sound only unit in the 90's.

I would not mind such a unit today as a cheep fix.

I guess that may be why I use the ring RC units on S DC engines. Sound with out the programing.

Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80541	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: Pre E Bay cars list

American Flyer Cars NIB

Make fair offer on one or more. Will list on E Bay next week. Have pictures.

I can figure out shipping costs at post office before sending

Burlington Northern Covered Hopper 6-48605

Rock Box Car 4-9701

Santa Fe Box Car 4-9700

New York Central Hopper 4-9209

New York Central Car & Vans 4-9005

Chessie Hopper 4-9200

For Conversion

Marx Green Great Northern Box Car 34178

Industrial Rail Chessie Caboose 1503

Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80542	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: Re: groups.io - transfer experiences

Bob,
Having nothing to do, owners excepted.

Originally the process was quick, a couple of days, then YahooGroups started to lose control of it's directories,
when that happens it is much harder, sometimes impossible for groups.io to find the complete files needed for the transfer'
the transfer has to be done in smaller lots, taking more time due to corrupted file directories. Two months ago when I finally was able to
move RepowerAnd Regear, YG was down, I was shut out, and I was worried that the transfer would fail. When it was completed, there
was a sense of relief, we had crossed the bridge to the future before it collapsed. It had taken three times longer than just the month before.
List members who had supported the move were relieved as well.
Then YG started it's death cackles in late January and big lists, not small ones of a hundred or a thousand members, but tens of thousands started to
move. The number of groups.io list members has quadrupled in the last two months. And the transfer function has been swamped. And some list
owners have sort of been stuck on top of a picket fence. I'm a member of a large list for discussion of a major western RR.
The list owner decided to pull the plug and announced he was transfering to groups.io on February 7th. The next day I decided to move my
HO-Steam list to groups.io and started the move. It took 12 days for the group to be transferred on Feb 19th. The other western RR list that
started the day before has yet to transfer, this is the 40th day they have been waiting. I have offered to help, but have been ignored. I have
moved larger groups in 7-8 days. Something is wrong; I suspect the list owner may have missed the boat..

S-trains started the move to groups.io eleven days ago, it should complete anytime now. They have potential problems just like S-Scale list did.
Their photos files are to big to transfer to a free site. They can either upgrade to a Premium list for $110/year or they can resize their photos allowed.
I did this for S-Scale and the photos stored went from 6.3Gb to 0.7 GB , After transfer we eliminated another 300 MB of digital chaff or detritus.
If the photo transferred hasn't started (maybe it will the first of the week) than the list owners can restrict image size in photos to 1024x1024 pixels in SETTINGs
and images in messages to 488x488 pixels. That was what worked for S-Scale who had more than double the photo storage used.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 18, 2018 12:00 am
Subject: [S-Trains] groups.io

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80543	From: SP4149	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: Re: moving to IO - expectations

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com

What to expect when it happens. Lessons learned

Almost everything copied. There were a handful of links that did not copy because they were dead, And a number of members who were suspended by Yahoo for bouncing e-mails also were not transferred. And some members quit the new list because they had a no-email subscription and didn't know the list was being transferred.

Personally, it makes the job of a moderator a lot easier if subscribers use the new groups.io list for everything as soon as the the transfer is complete. I gave my own lists two weeks and then made all post fully moderated and I closed the YG list to new members. My lists are self moderating, and they wanted to move to groups.io When a couple of posts were made on the old YG list after the transfer, a couple of members posted that the list has moved and move your post to the new groups.io list. That shut down posts on YG almost immediately. A message on the cover page that the list is no longer active, but is archival storage and directing prospective members to the list on groups.io will complete the shutdown.

Moving to groups.io has caused some of us to learn how much our little world changed when YG stopped tech support nearly three years ago. Several mail services demand that lists like ours delete members whose e-mail accounts are generating spam. With the sudden increase in the size and activity of lists in groups.io, several 'sophisticated' malware detection suites determined that there was a phishing threat and groups.io messages were sent into spam folders. Never delete a groups.io e-mail in the spam folder; this triggers an automatic un-subscription demanded by your e-mail provider. This is a relatively recent protocol adopted after YG ceased technical support. Just move messages into a trash folder to delete. Some cheap malware software (aka free) is not very sophisticated and triggers erroneous alerts moving malware free messages into the spam folder.

Sometime this week, expect a Welcome Letter from groups.io for list members transferred from the YG list. That will signal that the new list is fully operational and you have the same membership profile as you had in YG. However YG does not allow transfer of Yahoo passwords, and it's not needed by groups.io However I recommend registering with groups.io to gain access to the groups.io website. It's an easy way to access all the lists on groups.io that you have joined, all it takes is one password for all lists on groups.io

ken clark

ken

"It has always seemed strange to me," said Doc. "The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success." Steinbeck - Cannery Row

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80544	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: Any one need a American Models FA Union Pacific DC hi rail?

Would like a American Models F7 Union Pacific B unit.

Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80545	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: Re: fine

I gotcha! I'm staying here...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80546	From: snstrains	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here

Me too. Works fine for me. Never had a bit of trouble of any kind.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/18/2018 6:30:24 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80547	From: Donald Keil	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: Re: Any one need a American Models FA Union Pacific DC hi rail?

How much are you asking for it

On Sunday, March 18, 2018 2:07 PM, "JAMES SLEETH aztecfan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Would like a American Models F7 Union Pacific B unit.

Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80548	From: tennsgauger	Date: 3/18/2018
Subject: SHS Parts for Sale - Primarily for High Rail / American Flyer

I have some SHS parts I have no need for, if anyone is interested:

1 #00967 AF replacement wheels (WS-SI 4/pk) - Original price $3.95

4 #00979 AF Replacement 4 Pack

(I don't know what difference there in these packs, but I think these will improve the rollability of American Flyer cars. )

1 #01310 Coupler, AF Compatible, close couple

Asking $25 including shipping in lower 48 states

If interested, reply to tennsgauge@... or send text to 615-352-1181

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80549	From: tennsgauger	Date: 3/19/2018
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] SHS Parts for Sale - Primarily for High Rail /

The SHS parts have been sold.

- Earl Henry

Sent from my iPhone Earl Henry, Jr

On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:02 PM, tennsgauge@... [AvailableSgauge] <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I have some SHS parts I have no need for, if anyone is interested:

1 #00967 AF replacement wheels (WS-SI 4/pk) - Original price $3.95

4 #00979 AF Replacement 4 Pack

(I don't know what difference there in these packs, but I think these will improve the rollability of American Flyer cars. )

1 #01310 Coupler, AF Compatible, close couple

Asking $25 including shipping in lower 48 states

If interested, reply to tennsgauge@... or send text to 615-352-1181

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80550	From: tennsgauger	Date: 3/19/2018
Subject: SHS Pennsy F7 A and B for sale - A has DCC with sound

I have two SHS Pennsylvania Railroad F7 units for sale in separate factory boxes. One is an A unit (#9654) with an MRC decoder. The other is a B without a decoder.

There is MRC documentation, folded with the A unit. I describes the decoder as having any options for bell and whistle sounds. I have not operated these units until last night when I did a brief test. The A unit seems to work smoothly with a nice sounding horn and bell. The headlight remains on regardless of direction and I could not turn it off using my NCE 5 amp system, so I do not know what kind of adjustments have been made to CVs. The appearance of the units is nice but these are not new out of the box. I know that because the scale coupler on the A unit was broken though I have replaced it.

The A unit seems to have considerable momentum. I was unable to change the momentum level using my NCE system, and normally I can do this. So this is a little confusing to me.

I was unable to test the B unit using SHS MU cables to connect with the A unit. It may be that there is something wrong with the MU cables because I was unsuccessful in operating the B unit with the A even though I tried doing with this with a couple of other DCC A units and a couple of B units. If I were to keep these units, I would put a decoder in the B unit. I have never liked trying to connect the MU cables between SHS units even though the concept is pretty nice.

High rail wheels are in both the A and B unit but the boxes contain scale wheels. Scale couplers have been added to the rear of the A unit and to one of the B units. I do not think I have extra screws to attach the scale coupler assembly to the other end of the B unit though there is a scale coupler assembly.

I am asking $490 for the A and B unit together and plus the cost of USPS Priority Mail with insurance. If interested I can send photos of the units and the boxes to show the optional components. Please respond to tennsgauge@... or text 615-352-1181.

Soon, I will also be offering a Pennsy F7 A and B set with Locomatic Sound in the A unit.

- Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80551	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/19/2018
Subject: Major addition to americanflyerdisplays.org

The American Flyer Displays website (americanflyerdisplays.org) has recently obtained permission to display the photos contained in the collection of the late Ray Mohrlang. This collection consists of almost 200 photos of American Flyer and other Gilbert displays, as well as additional photos of the Gilbert factory, Paradise (A.C. Gilbert’s private estate), and other photos depicting early A.C. Gilbert Co. history. For many years, Ray had wished to compile these into a book, but unfortunately that wasn’t possible. I hope their display on the website will help to accomplish Ray’s desire to share these with the American Flyer collector community.

All of the display photographs have been incorporated into a newly designed website and the additional photos will soon join them in a new Gilbert History section.

In order to get to the new sections quickly, just click on the "What’s New" link on the home page and you will find all the changed pages identified and along with links to them. Many of the pages include slide shows, which open in a new window. Just close that window to return to the last page viewed.

I hope you enjoy these wonderful photos that were made possible by the new owner of the collection.

Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80552	From: Don McGinnis	Date: 3/19/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here

Re: Staying here OK...which one of you guys is going to step forward and take control of this
S-trains group here at Yahoo? When most of the members are enjoying their
new group at Groups.io. Easier navigation, photos that actually show up for
ALL to see, etc. etc.

I suppose you think that you’re the only ones on this list? Well...duh...you will be
when S-trains makes the move. I’ve been on both the S-Scale and S-trains lists
for many years, and just recently have gone through a move on the Scale list.
It was a piece-a-cake. And now...wa-la...I can see ALL photos that are being posted.

So, FWIW, I’ll cast my vote to move this group over to Groups.io, before Yahoo (or
whoever is in control now), cuts everyone off and leaves you high ‘n dry.

Don McGinnis, in Jersey

Obviously you are not reading messages.

We have been in process and Ken Clark has kept the list up to date on the move. When it happens, everyone will know. Please be patient, it isn't happening overnight. I already wish it was done myself.

Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80553	From: epiciocc	Date: 3/19/2018
Subject: repairing 726 door guide

I have a 726 car where the bottom door guide has broken free. looks like the rivet is gone. Any suggestions on how to repair it? or any stock/freight car with moveable door, think they are all the same.

Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80554	From: hunbet	Date: 3/20/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here

I will.

Charter member !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80555	From: snstrains	Date: 3/20/2018
Subject: Re: repairing 726 door guide

Replacement "rivrts" areavailable at some parts dealers.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/19/2018 9:53:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

I have a 726 car where the bottom door guide has broken free. looks like the rivet is gone. Any suggestions on how to repair it? or any stock/freight car with moveable door, think they are all the same.

Thanks,

Ed

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80556	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/20/2018
Subject: Re: repairing 726 door guide

Not sure what you are asking?

I have replacement pins……………or complete door guides.

Or are you saying the mounting hole in the shell is broken out…..in which case you would have to rebuild it with a tiny bit of epoxy, insert the pin, and let it harden.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 11:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] repairing 726 door guide

Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80557	From: mike gardner	Date: 3/20/2018
Subject: Re: repairing 726 door guide

Could that be 736 operating stock car or 734 operating boxcar?

On Monday, March 19, 2018, 11:53:36 PM EDT, epiciocc@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80558	From: Lanier	Date: 3/20/2018
Subject: Re: repairing 726 door guide

Attachments :

#726 is the AF # for rubber roadbed. What item are we talking about?

Herb Lanier

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:51 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] repairing 726 door guide

Not sure what you are asking?

I have replacement pins……………or complete door guides.

Or are you saying the mounting hole in the shell is broken out…..in which case you would have to rebuild it with a tiny bit of epoxy, insert the pin, and let it harden.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 11:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] repairing 726 door guide

Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80559	From: americanflyer	Date: 3/20/2018
Subject: Re: repairing 726 door guide

Hi mike do you mean 736 cattle loading car if so doug peck at portlines has them i think he has door guide pins hope this helps

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------

From: "mike gardner tamerlane_46@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 3/20/18 7:45 AM (GMT-05:00)

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] repairing 726 door guide

Could that be 736 operating stock car or 734 operating boxcar?

On Monday, March 19, 2018, 11:53:36 PM EDT, epiciocc@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80560	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/20/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here

Where did you hear this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hate to say it but yahoo is shutting the groups down. You don't get a choice. Thet are all moving to IO from Yahoo. Change is hard.cb

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, 68cuda440@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80561	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/20/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here

GroupModeratorsForum at YahooGroups. Is about the only source of info about YG. Yahoo ceased to exist after it merged with Verizon
last year. YG hasn't had technical support for three years. YG lists are now part of Oath, a mobile media spinoff of Verizon.Oath hasn't
released much about the future of YG lists, except to say that if they shut YG down there will be advance notice. Several months ago
it had been reported that Oath would make a decision about YG lists by early May. I haven't seen a recent update.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Harrington myflyertrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 20, 2018 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here

Where did you hear this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hate to say it but yahoo is shutting the groups down. You don't get a choice. Thet are all moving to IO from Yahoo. Change is hard.cb

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, 68cuda440@... [S-Trains]

<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80562	From: snstrains	Date: 3/20/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here

Don't see any need to rush out of here then.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/20/2018 7:20:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

GroupModeratorsForum at YahooGroups. Is about the only source of info about YG. Yahoo ceased to exist after it merged with Verizon
last year. YG hasn't had technical support for three years. YG lists are now part of Oath, a mobile media spinoff of Verizon.Oath hasn't
released much about the future of YG lists, except to say that if they shut YG down there will be advance notice. Several months ago
it had been reported that Oath would make a decision about YG lists by early May. I haven't seen a recent update.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Harrington myflyertrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 20, 2018 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here

Where did you hear this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hate to say it but yahoo is shutting the groups down. You don't get a choice. Thet are all moving to IO from Yahoo. Change is hard.cb

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, 68cuda440@... [S-Trains]

<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80563	From: Mike Vana	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: Ray Mohrlang (was Major addition to americanflyerdisplays.org)

Does anyone know what is going to be done with Ray Mohrlang’s collection?

I met him twice, and traded an American Flyer Badlands display layout to him.

Sadly I had wrecked it, not knowing what it really was. He was going to restore it.

He had a lot of really rare and one of a kind items, among them a 1946 UP 4-8-4

with the smoke in the tender, and an IC reefer with opening doors that were

from an NP reefer.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80564	From: epiciocc	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: Re: repairing 726 door guide

Thanks for all the replies, It is a 976 operating car, Have no idea why I wrote 726, anyway it just looks pulled out like it was caught on something, the frame looks intact.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80565	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: must see 52 pics

Ford in talks to buy Michigan Central Depot

Buying the long-vacant train station would resurrect a symbol of Detroit’s decline and make Ford a player in its...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80566	From: Carey	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here

I think this is the only one of my groups that hasn't moved and I look forward to having everything on the same platform.

Easy change, just delete the bookmark and create a new one. TADA

Carey Probst
Pennsyltucky RR
Chief MicroFerroEquinologist

On 3/20/2018 11:35 PM, boss31@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Don't see any need to rush out of here then.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/20/2018 7:20:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

GroupModeratorsForum at YahooGroups. Is about the only source of info about YG. Yahoo ceased to exist after it merged with Verizon
last year. YG hasn't had technical support for three years. YG lists are now part of Oath, a mobile media spinoff of Verizon.Oath hasn't
released much about the future of YG lists, except to say that if they shut YG down there will be advance notice. Several months ago
it had been reported that Oath would make a decision about YG lists by early May. I haven't seen a recent update.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Harrington myflyertrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 20, 2018 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here

Where did you hear this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hate to say it but yahoo is shutting the groups down. You don't get a choice. Thet are all moving to IO from Yahoo. Change is hard.cb

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, 68cuda440@... [S-Trains]

<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80567	From: herbw202	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: Re: Major addition to americanflyerdisplays.org

Great additon to the site. Ray passed much tooo early

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80568	From: Carl & Kathy Rudolph	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: Re: Ray Mohrlang (was Major addition to americanflyerdisplays.org)

Attachments :

Mike, I don’t know much about it, but some items have been sold through private communications to other AF collectors (not me) and other items are sporadically being offered on eBay by a guy in Colorado using the eBay handle “hallofscience-348”. Yes, he had wonderful things.

Carl Rudolph

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:53 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Ray Mohrlang (was Major addition to americanflyerdisplays.org)

Does anyone know what is going to be done with Ray Mohrlang’s collection?

I met him twice, and traded an American Flyer Badlands display layout to him.

Sadly I had wrecked it, not knowing what it really was. He was going to restore it.

He had a lot of really rare and one of a kind items, among them a 1946 UP 4-8-4

with the smoke in the tender, and an IC reefer with opening doors that were

from an NP reefer.

Mike Vana Omaha, NE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80569	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here

it's all over the yahoo message boards. At least the messages I have been reading. They said most of the groups that aren't getting shut down are moving to the .IO. Maybe I am missing something.CB

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 7:14:40 PM EDT, Chuck Harrington myflyertrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Where did you hear this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hate to say it but yahoo is shutting the groups down. You don't get a choice. Thet are all moving to IO from Yahoo. Change is hard.cb

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, 68cuda440@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80570	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here At Your Own Peril

Right now the only part of YG lists functioning close to normal are e-mail message replies.
The directories for access to old messages, files and photos are erratic.
The result is that transfer to groups.io are not all happening in a timely manner.
One list has been in process for over 6 weeks (although I suspect it's partly a list owner
problem) and this list has already taken longer than the transfer of the larger S-Scale list.

The worse the YG list directories get the slower the transfer and with reduced success.
Recently some groups.io transfers have been less than complete (and some have been perfect).
Potential problem areas that seem to effect the transfer:
   - List owner without a Yahoo Mail account
   - Photo storage larger than the free 1Gb storage on groups.io
   - Large number of messages to transfer (100K + )

At current slowed list transfer rates (due to YG lists worsening problems) transferring remaining lists from YG list
would take 6-12 months. Verizon in the past has shut down similar functions without a 'grace' period. The prior
notification hinted was from Oath/Verizon technical support, not management. Bottom line is if Oath shuts down YG lists
with two weeks notice, archival files will not be transferred.

Because YG lists has not been maintained, it is in non-compliance with current internet practices. If this list is saved or
moves to a new host there will be some changes that will make e-mail delivery unacceptable for some.

Recently, many ISPs and email services have implemented a new "feature" that was supposed to reduce spam for their email users. When you mark a message as spam in one of these email services, it sends an unsubscribe request to the list host. Unfortunately, Groups.io and similar services must comply with this arrangement or risk having ALL of their messages blocked by that email provider.

Some providers will even do this without your intervention.

What does this mean to you? If you mark a message from Groups.io as spam, or leave a message from Groups.io in your spam folder for too long, your email provider could send us an unsubscribe request, forcing Groups.io to unsubscribe you from this group.

Groups.io has created a work-around that returns a message with a hyperlink that will immediately resubscribe to our group. The problem is, if that message also lands in your spam folder and you don't notice it, you remain unsubscribed.

The options available to prevent this behavior depend on your ISP. The best way, if available, is to "whitelist" the groups.io domain (or ias-indy@... specifically) so that all group email is forwarded to inbox. Or you may be able to set your spam filter to not hold spam but instead *mark* it as spam and forward it to inbox for you to decide whether to delete it. That way the spam trigger isn't set and you won't lose any messages that your ISP thought could be spam but wasn't.

Another option to try is to change your message delivery options here on the Groups.io site. If you're set to receive individual emails and they're getting sent to spam, you might have better luck with one of the digest modes or a daily message summary.

Please be advised that when you let someone or something else make these decisions for you, you may miss out on important information, and you might also be allowing your email service to unsubscribe you from messaging services.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Carey s-scale@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 5:40 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here

I think this is the only one of my groups that hasn't moved and I look forward to having everything on the same platform.

Easy change, just delete the bookmark and create a new one. TADA

Carey Probst
Pennsyltucky RR
Chief MicroFerroEquinologist

On 3/20/2018 11:35 PM, boss31@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Don't see any need to rush out of here then.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/20/2018 7:20:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

GroupModeratorsForum at YahooGroups. Is about the only source of info about YG. Yahoo ceased to exist after it merged with Verizon
last year. YG hasn't had technical support for three years. YG lists are now part of Oath, a mobile media spinoff of Verizon.Oath hasn't
released much about the future of YG lists, except to say that if they shut YG down there will be advance notice. Several months ago
it had been reported that Oath would make a decision about YG lists by early May. I haven't seen a recent update.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Harrington myflyertrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 20, 2018 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here

Where did you hear this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com> wrote:

Hate to say it but yahoo is shutting the groups down. You don't get a choice. Thet are all moving to IO from Yahoo. Change is hard.cb

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, 68cuda440@... [S-Trains]

<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80571	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: The end is near

Attachments :

Stud right front.JPG

DSC01761 (1).JPG

BTTF Court house.jpg

March 21, 2018 - Each week, M.T.H. releases product lists spotlighting quantities of Five Or Fewer S Gauge items that are remaining in our onhand inventory. In many cases, these items will NOT be re-run in the future and these lists could be your last chance for ordering them before they're GONE FOR GOOD.

Lionel merged AF catalog with Lionel O gauge catalog.

I wanted S to merge with 1/64 car guys to reach a new base, but could not get a response from the board 10 years ago.

Car collecting has gotten big.

Here is what I have built from The Back to the Future movie. People build models of Movie towns, but they don't know about trains.

We don't reach out. We need displays at our train meets that kids want to see.

@@attachment@@

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80572	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

It's an annoying reference but for the record, no lists are moving to IO. IO is the internet designation for the Indian Ocean top level domain;
it is equivalent to COM or ORG as a top level domain. Why choose IO for a top level domain? Well there is only one populated
location, a British possession and US military Base, Diego Garcia. Not a lot of on-site competition for domain names in IO and as a British protectorate.
it is administered by the British in a language understandable in much of the United States.

A lot of lists have moved to Facebook Groups and Google Groups. Since the developer of groups.io had previously developed what
became YG lists; for many list owners it is the easiest transition. Like me, some list owners may have faced membership opposition to
moving to Facebook Groups. I belong to three lists on Facebook, I do not post however they are excellent location for posting videos and
about once a week I view recent videos of 15" railroading. Also Facebook like YG has fewer restrictions on list content. Groups.io has
been getting a lot of flack because adult lists are restricted, and there are a lot of adult content lists on YG looking for an exit strategy.

Groups.io is English only for owner access/commands; YG was available in several languages. For all these reasons it is safe to predict
that many/most YG lists will not even attempt to move to groups.io. Google Groups is an in between choice, not technically evolving but
technically supported and functional. If Oath/Verizon pulls the plug in May, it is unlikely that list owners can save their archives in the time
remaining. What list owners should do now to save what they can to use to build a new list somewhere else:

Download the membership directory to use to populate the new list
Ask members to download files and photos for upload to the new list
Kiss goodbye to the message archives, as YG devolves sometimes old messages are unavailable for days or more, and sometimes less than 10% can be displayed.
Buy a domain and host their own list, buy the software, learn to use it and be completely responsible. My domain has more than 100GB of storage available and it only costs $250 per year but does have a monthly limit on site access so might not be good for a large list with a lot of members and messages.

AS far as YG lists; the member of the GMF@YG who has been successful in getting partial tech support for YG lists said yesterday that his monitoring of YG has discovered some disturbing signs indicating a new period of service disruption is starting. Enjoy the ride...

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 1:48 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here

it's all over the yahoo message boards. At least the messages I have been reading. They said most of the groups that aren't getting shut down are moving to the .IO. Maybe I am missing something.CB

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 7:14:40 PM EDT, Chuck Harrington myflyertrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Where did you hear this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hate to say it but yahoo is shutting the groups down. You don't get a choice. Thet are all moving to IO from Yahoo. Change is hard.cb

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, 68cuda440@... [S-Trains]

<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80574	From: rlt348	Date: 3/21/2018
Subject: Re: Ray Mohrlang (was Major addition to americanflyerdisplays.org)

Hello All,

The message from Carl Rudolph above is correct. Some of the items in Ray's collection are being sold to private collectors and the fellow in Colorado selling under the eBay name HallofScience-348 is me. My name is Richard Trotter and I'm Ray Mohrlang's nephew.

In addition to Ray's immediate family, there are three of us helping disburse Ray's collection to help out his widow. Two of Ray's good friends who are American Flyer Collectors and myself. I am the only person selling anything on eBay at this time. I'm currently listing some American Flyer items, but also Ray's vintage plastic model collection. I will update this conversation if there are any changes to who will be selling the collection.

A word of caution to potential buyers. If you are approached by anyone selling high dollar items from the Ray Mohrlang collection please be wary of their authenticity. If you have any questions about a rare item reputed to be from Ray's collection please feel free to email me at RLT348@.... The collection is being tightly controlled and only the family and us three have access.

Please feel free to email me about the collection and I will try to provide good answers to good questions.

Regards,

Richard Trotter

Saguache, Colorado

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80575	From: dphobbies	Date: 3/22/2018
Subject: All new S Gauge Gondola From S Scale America

Attachments :

SSA Gondolas.jpg

After what has seemed an indeterminable delay, we have received our American Flyer compatible Thrall 2743 gondolas. Each is factory assembled. There are five paint schemes with each having three road numbers available. All are in stock and available for immediate shipment. Each is listed on our webstore www.desplaineshobbies.com

Although these cars are totally American Flyer compatible, they will not couple automatically on 20 inch curves. Once coupled, they run quite well. The operate quite well on broader curves. The prototype for this and most modern cars is about 25% longer that the shorter, older style Flyer cars. There cars are very appropriate to run behind the newer Lionel diesels like the ES44 and SD70s.

Ron Sebastian

Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America

@@attachment@@

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80576	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/22/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here

I was one of the first with Paul York. Met him at the 1998 NASG convention in Massachusetts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80577	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 3/22/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

Per your message i copied the following.

The result is that transfer to groups.io are not all happening in a timely manner.

So do I not undersatnd the difference between moving and transferring? I know I am not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but what is the difference?

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

It's an annoying reference but for the record, no lists are moving to IO. IO is the internet designation for the Indian Ocean top level domain;
it is equivalent to COM or ORG as a top level domain. Why choose IO for a top level domain? Well there is only one populated
location, a British possession and US military Base, Diego Garcia. Not a lot of on-site competition for domain names in IO and as a British protectorate.
it is administered by the British in a language understandable in much of the United States.

A lot of lists have moved to Facebook Groups and Google Groups. Since the developer of groups.io had previously developed what
became YG lists; for many list owners it is the easiest transition. Like me, some list owners may have faced membership opposition to
moving to Facebook Groups. I belong to three lists on Facebook, I do not post however they are excellent location for posting videos and
about once a week I view recent videos of 15" railroading. Also Facebook like YG has fewer restrictions on list content. Groups.io has
been getting a lot of flack because adult lists are restricted, and there are a lot of adult content lists on YG looking for an exit strategy.

Groups.io is English only for owner access/commands; YG was available in several languages. For all these reasons it is safe to predict
that many/most YG lists will not even attempt to move to groups.io. Google Groups is an in between choice, not technically evolving but
technically supported and functional. If Oath/Verizon pulls the plug in May, it is unlikely that list owners can save their archives in the time
remaining. What list owners should do now to save what they can to use to build a new list somewhere else:

Download the membership directory to use to populate the new list
Ask members to download files and photos for upload to the new list
Kiss goodbye to the message archives, as YG devolves sometimes old messages are unavailable for days or more, and sometimes less than 10% can be displayed.
Buy a domain and host their own list, buy the software, learn to use it and be completely responsible. My domain has more than 100GB of storage available and it only costs $250 per year but does have a monthly limit on site access so might not be good for a large list with a lot of members and messages.

AS far as YG lists; the member of the GMF@YG who has been successful in getting partial tech support for YG lists said yesterday that his monitoring of YG has discovered some disturbing signs indicating a new period of service disruption is starting. Enjoy the ride...

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 1:48 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here

it's all over the yahoo message boards. At least the messages I have been reading. They said most of the groups that aren't getting shut down are moving to the .IO. Maybe I am missing something.CB

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 7:14:40 PM EDT, Chuck Harrington myflyertrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Where did you hear this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hate to say it but yahoo is shutting the groups down. You don't get a choice. Thet are all moving to IO from Yahoo. Change is hard.cb

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, 68cuda440@... [S-Trains]

<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80578	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 3/22/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

Guys,

Here's what's happening. The moderators and/or Ken Clark are essentially making a duplicate copy of this S-Trains Yahoo discussion group. The copy is going to be stored on the "Groups.io" web site. This "transfer" or copying process is apparently taking a long while due to the overwhelming demands on the service. Understandable.

When the copy completes in a few days/weeks, then a real decision has to be made. There will be an "S-Trains" discussion group on Yahoo! Groups, and there will be an "S-Trains" discussion group on Groups.io. Do we then want to split the group up into two separate groups, each discussing their own topics, or do we want to move as a whole to one or the other?

The "S-scale" group decided to close the Yahoo list a few days after the copying to the Groups.io was completed. From my perspective as a regular member, I saw no difference, other than the fact that the e-mails were now coming from "groups.io" rather than "yahoogroups.com". Absolutely no difference whatsoever. You only need to create an account on groups.io if you want to post messages or add photos or files. If all you do is lurk (i.e. only read messages), then you don't have to do anything.

The "Sn3"list, for example, still exists in both places, but I think most people have individually moved to the groups.io site.

What Ken has been warning about lately is that there is a strong possibility that Yahoo Groups may die, be turned off, or discontinued. If that is to happen, the OFF switch may be thrown very quickly, which would not allow him or the moderators/owners of this group to save the list of members, the e-mails, and/or the photos and files we have all contributed to this list. So, rather than waiting for that possibility and being caught with our proverbial pants down, he and the moderators are making a pre-emptive move.

I hope this helps,
- Peter.

On 03/22/2018 2:33 pm, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] wrote:

The result is that transfer to groups.io are not all happening in a timely manner.

So do I not undersatnd the difference between moving and transferring? I know I am not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but what is the difference?

-- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/ My business site: http://fourthray.com/ *The* S-scale site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80579	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/22/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

A new list is created on groups.io then the archive files are copied from yahoogroups.com and placed in the new list
on groups.io Depending on the status of YG lists, some old files may be found or corrupt files will be lost. After the transfer
old YG list members will also be members of the new list on groups.io Some old YG list members who did not want to transfer
or who forgot they were members on the YG list will immediately quit the new list. Both lists will operate independently. YG list members
frustrated by poor access to photos or messages quit the YG list in droves or at least stop posting. Within two weeks the larger
YG lists are comatose and left for dead. Some YG list owners prohibit new activity, making the YG list archival.

The YG lists are not physically moved, nothing is changed, they retain the same impaired functionality. The database is copied to groups.io
Some owners do not want to maintain two lists, one on YG and one on groups. And they kill the old list, mainly due to the frustration of dealing
with non-existent technical support. Groups.io does not require termination of the old list on YG. Each YG list owner is left to determine the
fate of their YG list.

Oath has released some new guidelines for Yahoo Groups, in keeping with their mobile media orientation. Commercial ads are limited to
300x250 Medium Rectangle Standard however they can be upgraded to premium which allows up to 15 seconds of video of the same size.
It looks like Oath will load more ads into the YG lists to make money. I wonder how long they can continue to give away 100Gb of free storage
to each list. This is the first indication of what changes Oath has planned for YG lists, lots of 1/4 page pop-up ads, smartphone friendly.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2018 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here - for the record

Per your message i copied the following.

The result is that transfer to groups.io are not all happening in a timely manner.

So do I not undersatnd the difference between moving and transferring? I know I am not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but what is the difference?

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]

<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

It's an annoying reference but for the record, no lists are moving to IO. IO is the internet designation for the Indian Ocean top level domain;
it is equivalent to COM or ORG as a top level domain. Why choose IO for a top level domain? Well there is only one populated
location, a British possession and US military Base, Diego Garcia. Not a lot of on-site competition for domain names in IO and as a British protectorate.
it is administered by the British in a language understandable in much of the United States.

A lot of lists have moved to Facebook Groups and Google Groups. Since the developer of groups.io had previously developed what
became YG lists; for many list owners it is the easiest transition. Like me, some list owners may have faced membership opposition to
moving to Facebook Groups. I belong to three lists on Facebook, I do not post however they are excellent location for posting videos and
about once a week I view recent videos of 15" railroading. Also Facebook like YG has fewer restrictions on list content. Groups.io has
been getting a lot of flack because adult lists are restricted, and there are a lot of adult content lists on YG looking for an exit strategy.

Groups.io is English only for owner access/commands; YG was available in several languages. For all these reasons it is safe to predict
that many/most YG lists will not even attempt to move to groups.io. Google Groups is an in between choice, not technically evolving but
technically supported and functional. If Oath/Verizon pulls the plug in May, it is unlikely that list owners can save their archives in the time
remaining. What list owners should do now to save what they can to use to build a new list somewhere else:

Download the membership directory to use to populate the new list
Ask members to download files and photos for upload to the new list
Kiss goodbye to the message archives, as YG devolves sometimes old messages are unavailable for days or more, and sometimes less than 10% can be displayed.
Buy a domain and host their own list, buy the software, learn to use it and be completely responsible. My domain has more than 100GB of storage available and it only costs $250 per year but does have a monthly limit on site access so might not be good for a large list with a lot of members and messages.

AS far as YG lists; the member of the GMF@YG who has been successful in getting partial tech support for YG lists said yesterday that his monitoring of YG has discovered some disturbing signs indicating a new period of service disruption is starting. Enjoy the ride...

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 1:48 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here

it's all over the yahoo message boards. At least the messages I have been reading. They said most of the groups that aren't getting shut down are moving to the .IO. Maybe I am missing something.CB

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 7:14:40 PM EDT, Chuck Harrington myflyertrains@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Where did you hear this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hate to say it but yahoo is shutting the groups down. You don't get a choice. Thet are all moving to IO from Yahoo. Change is hard.cb

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:30 AM, 68cuda440@... [S-Trains]

<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

I'm staying here !

I was here when Paul Yorke took over this group on Egroups.

We had a dozen members !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80580	From: SP4149	Date: 3/22/2018
Subject: Yahoo group transfers all caught up

Yahoo group transfers caught up,

uh-oh, I know of at least two YG lists that didn't make it

List Owners, call to action

Mark Fletcher

Mar 21 #16431

Hi All,

As of right now, I believe I'm caught up with all Yahoo Group transfers. If you are waiting on me for a group transfer, please contact support, as it may have slipped through the cracks.

Thanks,

Mark

fyi

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80581	From: barb	Date: 3/23/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 7624

So do I have to do something to keep receiving my S-strains posts? Seems to be working so far.

If I do, please give me instructions.... Thanks... Barb

Re: Moving

Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Ray Puls" rpuls3

Re: Moving...
Posted by:carl@... carl4flyer
Date: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:22 pm ((PDT))

Yahoo is down.

We are in the process of moving the S-train group tohttps://groups.io/g/S-Trains https://groups.io/g/S-Trains

hank you for moderating this site Carl, I am glad now that I signed up
for :io S trains a few days back.

Ray

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80582	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 3/24/2018
Subject: Re: Digest Number 7624

Hey Barb, good to hear from you. Take care,
Harwood

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com

On Friday, March 23, 2018 barb rcespeak <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

So do I have to do something to keep receiving my S-strains posts? Seems to be working so far.

If I do, please give me instructions.... Thanks... Barb

Re: Moving
Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ray Puls" rpuls3
Re: Moving...
Posted by:carl@... carl4flyer
Date: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:22 pm ((PDT))

Yahoo is down.

We are in the process of moving the S-train group tohttps://groups.io/g/S-Trains https://groups.io/g/S-Trains

hank you for moderating this site Carl, I am glad now that I signed up
for :io S trains a few days back.

Ray

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80583	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 3/24/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

Thank you also for the explanation. I have never felt so dumb lol. Now I know. Chris B

On Thursday, March 22, 2018, 5:40:29 PM EDT, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] wrote:

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80584	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 3/24/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

That makes perfect sense. Thanks for explaining to this dummy.

Speaking of List. The Face Book NASG page is now up to 417 Members. Some activity going on so it seems to be growing. I wonder is there anyway we can add a FB selection on the NASG questionaire about how they heard about the NASG. Would be interesting to track. Thanks Peter. Chris Burger

On Thursday, March 22, 2018, 5:06:11 PM EDT, Peter Vanvliet groups@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On 03/22/2018 2:33 pm, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] wrote:

The result is that transfer to groups.io are not all happening in a timely manner.

So do I not undersatnd the difference between moving and transferring? I know I am not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but what is the difference?

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
My business site: http://fourthray.com/
*The* S-scale site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80585	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/24/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

The new list on groups.io can be linked to Facebook, but that is outside of my groups.io expertise.
Once a week I visit Facebook Groups to view videos, their real strength.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80586	From: elist@ribbonrail.com	Date: 3/25/2018
Subject: April/May 2018 The S Scale Resource Magazine is Ready

The new issue of The S Scale Resource is now on line. Free to read and download.

http://sscaleresource.com/

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Scene Around the Layout

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Shows, Meets and so much more...

Thanks for reading and tell your friends!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80587	From: snstrains	Date: 3/25/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

This is still bewildering to me. Am I automatically going to be transferred to io? I'm at sea on this. What do I have to do if anything? If you have a response to this please make it short and terse. These long "explanations" give me a headache.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/24/2018 12:35:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Thank you also for the explanation. I have never felt so dumb lol. Now I know. Chris B

On Thursday, March 22, 2018, 5:40:29 PM EDT, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] wrote:

A new list is created on groups.io then the archive files are copied from yahoogroups.com and placed in the new list
on groups.io Depending on the status of YG lists, some old files may be found or corrupt files will be lost. After the transfer
old YG list members will also be members of the new list on groups.io Some old YG list members who did not want to transfer
or who forgot they were members on the YG list will immediately quit the new list. Both lists will operate independently. YG list members
frustrated by poor access to photos or messages quit the YG list in droves or at least stop posting. Within two weeks the larger
YG lists are comatose and left for dead. Some YG list owners prohibit new activity, making the YG list archival.

The YG lists are not physically moved, nothing is changed, they retain the same impaired functionality. The database is copied to groups.io
Some owners do not want to maintain two lists, one on YG and one on groups. And they kill the old list, mainly due to the frustration of dealing
with non-existent technical support. Groups.io does not require termination of the old list on YG. Each YG list owner is left to determine the
fate of their YG list.

Oath has released some new guidelines for Yahoo Groups, in keeping with their mobile media orientation. Commercial ads are limited to
300x250 Medium Rectangle Standard however they can be upgraded to premium which allows up to 15 seconds of video of the same size.
It looks like Oath will load more ads into the YG lists to make money. I wonder how long they can continue to give away 100Gb of free storage
to each list. This is the first indication of what changes Oath has planned for YG lists, lots of 1/4 page pop-up ads, smartphone friendly.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80588	From: S-Scale	Date: 3/25/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

You have nothing to do until the transfer is complete.

Once complete you will notice no difference if you receive individual emails.

If you read on line you will go to groups.io instead of yahoo.com

That should be all unless you want to put a password on your account there.

Carey

On 3/25/2018 1:49 PM, boss31@... [S-Trains] wrote:

This is still bewildering to me. Am I automatically going to be transferred to io? I'm at sea on this. What do I have to do if anything? If you have a response to this please make it short and terse. These long "explanations" give me a headache.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/24/2018 12:35:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Thank you also for the explanation. I have never felt so dumb lol. Now I know. Chris B

On Thursday, March 22, 2018, 5:40:29 PM EDT, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] wrote:

A new list is created on groups.io then the archive files are copied from yahoogroups.com and placed in the new list
on groups.io Depending on the status of YG lists, some old files may be found or corrupt files will be lost. After the transfer
old YG list members will also be members of the new list on groups.io Some old YG list members who did not want to transfer
or who forgot they were members on the YG list will immediately quit the new list. Both lists will operate independently. YG list members
frustrated by poor access to photos or messages quit the YG list in droves or at least stop posting. Within two weeks the larger
YG lists are comatose and left for dead. Some YG list owners prohibit new activity, making the YG list archival.

The YG lists are not physically moved, nothing is changed, they retain the same impaired functionality. The database is copied to groups.io
Some owners do not want to maintain two lists, one on YG and one on groups. And they kill the old list, mainly due to the frustration of dealing
with non-existent technical support. Groups.io does not require termination of the old list on YG. Each YG list owner is left to determine the
fate of their YG list.

Oath has released some new guidelines for Yahoo Groups, in keeping with their mobile media orientation. Commercial ads are limited to
300x250 Medium Rectangle Standard however they can be upgraded to premium which allows up to 15 seconds of video of the same size.
It looks like Oath will load more ads into the YG lists to make money. I wonder how long they can continue to give away 100Gb of free storage
to each list. This is the first indication of what changes Oath has planned for YG lists, lots of 1/4 page pop-up ads, smartphone friendly.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80589	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 3/25/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

When the transfer is complete you will still be a list member on YG and will also be a list member on the new list at groups.io
Your membership profile (join date, etc will be the same). If you decide to leave the new list on groups.io, your membership profile will be deleted.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: boss31@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2018 11:23 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here - for the record

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/24/2018 12:35:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Thank you also for the explanation.. I have never felt so dumb lol. Now I know. Chris B

On Thursday, March 22, 2018, 5:40:29 PM EDT, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] wrote:

A new list is created on groups.io then the archive files are copied from yahoogroups.com and placed in the new list
on groups.io Depending on the status of YG lists, some old files may be found or corrupt files will be lost. After the transfer
old YG list members will also be members of the new list on groups.io Some old YG list members who did not want to transfer
or who forgot they were members on the YG list will immediately quit the new list. Both lists will operate independently. YG list members
frustrated by poor access to photos or messages quit the YG list in droves or at least stop posting. Within two weeks the larger
YG lists are comatose and left for dead.&nb sp; Some YG list owners prohibit new activity, making the YG list archival.

The YG lists are not physically moved, nothing is changed, they retain the same impaired functionality. The database is copied to groups.io
Some owners do not want to maintain two lists, one on YG and one on groups. And they kill the old list, mainly due to the frustration of dealing
with non-existent technical support. Groups.io does not require termination of the old list on YG. Each YG list owner is left to determine the
fate of their YG list.

Oath has released some new guidelines for Yahoo Groups, in keeping with their mobile media orientation. Commercial ads are limited to
300x250 Medium Rectangle Standard however they can be upgraded to premium which allows up to 15 seconds of video of the same size.
It looks like Oath will load more ads into the YG lists to make money. I wonder how long they can continue to give away 100Gb of free storage
to each list. This is the first indication of what changes Oath has planned for YG lists, lots of 1/4 page pop-up ads, smartphone friendly.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80590	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/25/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

Sort of like the data on Cambridge Analytica ? I would Guess...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80591	From: snstrains	Date: 3/25/2018
Subject: Re: Staying here - for the record

Well, there ya go. Why didn't you just say so in the first place? Thanks!

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/25/2018 2:44:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

When the transfer is complete you will still be a list member on YG and will also be a list member on the new list at groups.io
Your membership profile (join date, etc will be the same). If you decide to leave the new list on groups.io, your membership profile will be deleted.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: boss31@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2018 11:23 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Staying here - for the record

This is still bewildering to me. Am I automatically going to be transferred to io? I'm at sea on this. What do I have to do if anything? If you have a response to this please make it short and terse. These long "explanations" give me a headache.

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/24/2018 12:35:06 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Thank you also for the explanation.. I have never felt so dumb lol. Now I know. Chris B

On Thursday, March 22, 2018, 5:40:29 PM EDT, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] wrote:

A new list is created on groups.io then the archive files are copied from yahoogroups.com and placed in the new list
on groups.io Depending on the status of YG lists, some old files may be found or corrupt files will be lost. After the transfer
old YG list members will also be members of the new list on groups.io Some old YG list members who did not want to transfer
or who forgot they were members on the YG list will immediately quit the new list. Both lists will operate independently. YG list members
frustrated by poor access to photos or messages quit the YG list in droves or at least stop posting. Within two weeks the larger
YG lists are comatose and left for dead.& amp;nb sp; Some YG list owners prohibit new activity, making the YG list archival.

The YG lists are not physically moved, nothing is changed, they retain the same impaired functionality. The database is copied to groups.io
Some owners do not want to maintain two lists, one on YG and one on groups. And they kill the old list, mainly due to the frustration of dealing
with non-existent technical support. Groups.io does not require termination of the old list on YG. Each YG list owner is left to determine the
fate of their YG list.

Oath has released some new guidelines for Yahoo Groups, in keeping with their mobile media orientation. Commercial ads are limited to
300x250 Medium Rectangle Standard however they can be upgraded to premium which allows up to 15 seconds of video of the same size.
It looks like Oath will load more ads into the YG lists to make money. I wonder how long they can continue to give away 100Gb of free storage
to each list. This is the first indication of what changes Oath has planned for YG lists, lots of 1/4 page pop-up ads, smartphone friendly.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80592	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/26/2018
Subject: Facebook Group

Can I get a link for this group S-Trains page on Facebook... I would to become a member! Thanks,Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80593	From: snstrains	Date: 3/26/2018
Subject: Re: Facebook Group

There are at least 3 different S-gauge groups on facebook

Steve

Boise

In a message dated 3/26/2018 1:45:32 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Can I get a link for this group S-Trains page on Facebook... I would to become a member! Thanks,Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80594	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 3/26/2018
Subject: Re: Facebook Group

I believe Chris Burger runs that group

I handle the group called American Flyer Trains

Rich

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:45 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Can I get a link for this group S-Trains page on Facebook... I would to become a member! Thanks,Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80595	From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com	Date: 3/26/2018
Subject: Tariffs

It occurs to me that if we see higher tariffs on model trains from China, we will see higher consumer prices.

For me personally, that means I am trying to peddle stuff on eBay and at local auctions to raise the cash to guy a select few new items at the old prices.

Jes sayin’.

Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80596	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 3/26/2018
Subject: Re: Facebook Group

I run the SHelper American Models and 1/64th scale and gauge trains along with NASG FB page,Miami Valley S Gaugers Page and the new Soithwestern Ohio S Scalers FB page. Just type in the name in the search area and it will bri g up a link to each group.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I believe Chris Burger runs that group

I handle the group called American Flyer Trains

Rich

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:45 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Can I get a link for this group S-Trains page on Facebook... I would to become a member! Thanks,Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80597	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 3/26/2018
Subject: Re: Facebook Group

As Chris explained just type in the name of the group in the search bar and the group will appear.

At that point click on the group and request membership.

Likewise, my group is called American Flyer Trains

Search for it and click on it and request membership

Thanks

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I run the SHelper American Models and 1/64th scale and gauge trains along with NASG FB page,Miami Valley S Gaugers Page and the new Soithwestern Ohio S Scalers FB page. Just type in the name in the search area and it will bri g up a link to each group.

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I believe Chris Burger runs that group

I handle the group called American Flyer Trains

Rich

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:45 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Can I get a link for this group S-Trains page on Facebook... I would to become a member! Thanks,Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80598	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/26/2018
Subject: Re: Tariffs

So far the only tariffs raised are for foreign steel and aluminum metals, not any products. As someone who has watched all the attacks on coal mining and steel making here, I have no problem with this being done. As for the government's unemployment figures, they don't work out mathematically, nor do they count the millions who have given up looking for a job. From the government's self serving calculations, these people don't exist.....except at tax time.

The GATT and NAFTA treaties did EXACTLY what Ross Perot said they would do all those years ago; there was a "sucking sound" as jobs left the country. Subsequent similar laws and environmental regulations have drained just about every industry in this country to the point that we make so little for ourselves that we can barely equip our own military. Costs of manufacture for something as basic as combat boots are high due to tariffs on such goods by most of the countries of manufacture.

On the other side of the tariff coin there is the fact that all those mines and mills are long since shut down and most have been raised to the ground already. The costs of building major new, high tech steel mills and making them environmentally friendly is just about prohibitive today, but smaller specialty operations are viable. Much more aluminum is being used in many products, so modern aluminum plants on a small scale are probably also going to be profitable.

As for our toy and model trains, it is quite likely that prices WILL go up, but only in an attempt to raise profits and blame the tariffs. China has all it's own steel industry as well as aluminum and plastic, so there should be no increase in prices due to ANY tariffs. After all, they have been selling us flashlights and other consumer crapola for years at ridiculous prices, and yet make a huge profit on them even with the trans-oceanic shipping. Quality control is usually suspect however.

Things will never be as they were in this country at it's peak in the late 1960's, but we MUST save something of our industries or the prices of foreign good would be allowed to skyrocket because the rest of the world will soon "have us over a barrel" for industrial goods.

In the end, the tariff thing is a gigantic, international chess game using real industries. And WE are the pawns to be sacrificed.

Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ohio...sadly part of America's vast "Rust Belt."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80599	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 3/27/2018
Subject: Re: Facebook Group

Try this link

https://www.facebook.com/groups/shelper.americanmodels1.64th/

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

As Chris explained just type in the name of the group in the search bar and the group will appear.

At that point click on the group and request membership.

Likewise, my group is called American Flyer Trains

Search for it and click on it and request membership

Thanks
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I run the SHelper American Models and 1/64th scale and gauge trains along with NASG FB page,Miami Valley S Gaugers Page and the new Soithwestern Ohio S Scalers FB page. Just type in the name in the search area and it will bri g up a link to each group.

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I believe Chris Burger runs that group

I handle the group called American Flyer Trains

Rich

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:45 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Can I get a link for this group S-Trains page on Facebook... I would to become a member! Thanks,Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80600	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 3/27/2018
Subject: Re: Tariffs

I believe we’re “supposed” to be confining our discussions to trains, not politics.

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 5:49 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Tariffs

So far the only tariffs raised are for foreign steel and aluminum metals, not any products. As someone who has watched all the attacks on coal mining and steel making here, I have no problem with this being done. As for the government's unemployment figures, they don't work out mathematically, nor do they count the millions who have given up looking for a job.. From the government's self serving calculations, these people don't exist.....except at tax time.

As for our toy and model trains, it is quite likely that prices WILL go up, but only in an attempt to raise profits and blame the tariffs. China has all it's own steel industry as well as aluminum and plastic, so there should be no increase in prices due to ANY tariffs. After all, they! have been selling us flashlights and other consumer crapola for years at ridiculous prices, and yet make a huge profit on them even with the trans-oceanic shipping. Quality control is usually suspect however.

In the end, the tariff thing is a gigantic, international chess game using real industries. And WE are the pawns to be sacrificed.

Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ohio...sadly part of America's vast "Rust Belt."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80601	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 3/27/2018
Subject: Re: Facebook Group

Thanks Rich, been so busy here at the house with mom and dad. We have been getting a lot of requests from names I remember from the S Trains lists over the years. Everyone is welcome. CB

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 8:29:49 AM EDT, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Try this link

https://www.facebook.com/groups/shelper.americanmodels1.64th/

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

As Chris explained just type in the name of the group in the search bar and the group will appear.

At that point click on the group and request membership.

Likewise, my group is called American Flyer Trains

Search for it and click on it and request membership

Thanks
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I run the SHelper American Models and 1/64th scale and gauge trains along with NASG FB page,Miami Valley S Gaugers Page and the new Soithwestern Ohio S Scalers FB page. Just type in the name in the search area and it will bri g up a link to each group.

Tap to get Yahoo Mail

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Richard Falzini rfalzini@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I believe Chris Burger runs that group

I handle the group called American Flyer Trains

Rich

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 3:45 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Can I get a link for this group S-Trains page on Facebook... I would to become a member! Thanks,Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80602	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/28/2018
Subject: Re: Tariffs

I apologize if my post seemed to be political, my intention was to explain what was happening and why. I might point out however, that so much of business and industry are entangled with politics today, particularly since we have become a "world economy" and rely heavily on so many others for the products we require every day.

In the case of our trains, the Chinese manufacturers and US retailers will use tariffs as an excuse to raise prices for "profit taking." This is similar to the auto makers listing "optional equipment" as "standard" and then charging more money for the an automobile, plus adding the profits built into every "option." Among my many friends and associates are a couple of retired engineers and executives from US auto makers who clued me in to what goes on behind the "closed doors" of industry.

Here's an example: electric windows. For years we hand cranked them, then electric ones were an "option," and now you can't find a car that still has hand cranked windows, so they are "standard" equipment. Each "option" has always had a separate profit built into the price, so the more "options" that become "standard" the more additional profit becomes part of the "base" price.

Air conditioning used to be quite a luxury in automobiles and this "option" was once the most expensive item you could add ti a car. Now it is pretty much "standard" like electric windows. And we have no choice but to pay the additional cost of built in profit.

Everyone from nations to manufacturers are complaining about tariffs, while racing to figure out how to take advantage of them. In toy and model trains it will be no different. Look what electronics did to prices of our hobby. Remember, electronics are very cheap to manufacture, and there is no cheaper manufacturers than those in China. But as they were added, so was cost and built in profit. And now our hobby is slowly becoming less affordable.

I'm amazed that so few people understand how all this works, but this is the way ALL business has been done for a VERY long time, particularly in major industries. And this sort of so called "semi-ethical" price gouging has nothing to do with politics other than the politics are used as an excuse.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80603	From: Harry Granzow	Date: 3/28/2018
Subject: Re: Tariffs

Very well explained . I will keep my vintage trains running .Question 0 gauge and 027 track uncoupler .pins and height. Thanks Harry

Sent from my iPod

On Mar 28, 2018, at 5:21 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I apologize if my post seemed to be political, my intention was to explain what was happening and why. I might point out however, that so much of business and industry are entangled with politics today, particularly since we have become a "world economy" and rely heavily on so many others for the products we require every day.

In the case of our trains, the Chinese manufacturers and US retailers will use tariffs as an excuse to raise prices for "profit taking." This is similar to the auto makers listing "optional equipment" as "standard" and then charging more money for the an automobile, plus adding the profits built into every "option." Among my many friends and associates are a couple of retired engineers and executives from US auto makers who clued me in to what goes on behind the "closed doors" of industry.

Here's an example: electric windows. For years we hand cranked them, then electric ones were an "option," and now you can't find a car that still has hand cranked windows, so they are "standard" equipment. Each "option" has always had a separate profit built into the price, so the more "options" that become "standard" the more additional profit becomes part of the "base" price.

Air conditioning used to be quite a luxury in automobiles and this "option" was once the most expensive item you could add ti a car. Now it is pretty much "standard" like electric windows. And we have no choice but to pay the additional cost of built in profit.

Everyone from nations to manufacturers are complaining about tariffs, while racing to figure out how to take advantage of them. In toy and model trains it will be no different. Look what electronics did to prices of our hobby. Remember, electronics are very cheap to manufacture, and there is no cheaper manufacturers than those in China. But as they were added, so was cost and built in profit. And now our hobby is slowly becoming less affordable.

I'm amazed that so few people understand how all this works, but this is the way ALL business has been done for a VERY long time, particularly in major industries. And this sort of so called "semi-ethical" price gouging has nothing to do with politics other than the politics are used as an excuse.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80604	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 3/30/2018
Subject: TTU OPEN HOUSE YORK WEEK

Attachments :

April 18th Open House @ Toy Trains Unlimited

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80605	From: damills18055	Date: 3/30/2018
Subject: Re: TTU OPEN HOUSE YORK WEEK

Do I assume Wednesday 2P -- whenever??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80606	From: njma41	Date: 4/1/2018
Subject: Re: Tariffs

Hello Folks

I run the old stuff not new stuff. They can do what they want too. Trains should be made in this country again!! Nick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80607	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/2/2018
Subject: Good Old Trains

I'm with Nick on this. I rebuild old Flyer because I have long been priced out of the new stuff. Our trains should be made right here in America and of the quality they used to be. But it ain't gonna' happen.

I started with Flyer as a child and then changed to HO as a pre-teen. In the seventies I returned to S and we did a lot of kit bashing/customizing of old Flyer as there was so little S around. In 1998 I took a part time job in a local hobby shop (there were five shops in a 20 mile radius then) and got interested in S again. But the game had changed. Instead of builders, the scale was flooded with collectors and the prices for old stuff were ridiculous. So I went "Hi-rail" again and built from junk boxes as everyone had years before. Later I met Terry Putt and started buying Putt Trains (former Rex) one at a time too.

Would I have liked to have bought new Flyonel, American Models, or S Helper? Sure, they had "all the bells and whistles" literally! But my income and my wife's ongoing medical problems wouldn't allow it. And S gauge is certainly not the only size pricing itself out of business. I defy you to name a scale/gauge that isn't expensive today!

So I do what I've always done, rely on construction and repair skills learned over a lifetime, wheel and deal to buy items out of junk boxes or off vendor tables at train shows, and enjoy the memories that Smoke and Choo-Choo bring back.

It may not be "mainstream" or "up to date," but "playing with trains" relieves the stress of living in a world more like The Twilight Zone than reality. :-)

Stumpy Stone In Ohio ...see you at the Dayton Spring S Spree

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80608	From: Edward Davis	Date: 4/3/2018
Subject: Re: Good Old Trains

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I'm with stumpy, although I wish some of the loco's that I liked later on were available 'the old way". Do e really need bells and whistles, cab chatter etc? So I enjoy my postwar Flyer, and Lionel O27 too. besides it keeps childhood memories in action. Like many of us, i've had my stints in HO but never really enjoyed the smaller trains so all postwar tinplate now, and they ARE realistic enough.

Maybe some would be interested in pix of my S gage scratch built commuter and rapid transit trains.. stuff I loved riding as a kid and youth. They've been made in O but likely never be built in S gage! A NY Central Lima-Hamilton and T3 electric motor thrown in too.. Ed Davis, boise ID

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:13 PM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm with Nick on this. I rebuild old Flyer because I have long been priced out of the new stuff. Our trains should be made right here in America and of the quality they used to be. But it ain't gonna' happen.

I started with Flyer as a child and then changed to HO as a pre-teen. In the seventies I returned to S and we did a lot of kit bashing/customizing of old Flyer as there was so little S around. In 1998 I took a part time job in a local hobby shop (there were five shops in a 20 mile radius then) and got interested in S again. But the game had changed. Instead of builders, the scale was flooded with collectors and the prices for old stuff were ridiculous. So I went "Hi-rail" again and built from junk boxes as everyone had years before. Later I met Terry Putt and started buying Putt Trains (former Rex) one at a time too.

Would I have liked to have bought new Flyonel, American Models, or S Helper? Sure, they had "all the bells and whistles" literally! But my income and my wife's ongoing medical problems wouldn't allow it. And S gauge is certainly not the only size pricing itself out of business. I defy you to name a scale/gauge that isn't expensive today!

So I do what I've always done, rely on construction and repair skills learned over a lifetime, wheel and deal to buy items out of junk boxes or off vendor tables at train shows, and enjoy the memories that Smoke and Choo-Choo bring back.

It may not be "mainstream" or "up to date," but "playing with trains" relieves the stress of living in a world more like The Twilight Zone than reality. :-)

Stumpy Stone In Ohio ...see you at the Dayton Spring S Spree

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80610	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/4/2018
Subject: Re: Loose boiler fronts

Rebuilding old Flyer from junk boxes and yard sales as I do, I run across this fairly often. Obviously the best solution is to find a good replacement boiler front. But when that isn't possible, I use Walther's "GOO" a "glues anything to anything" type rubber cement that dates WAY back to the fifties. And yes, this is the same Walthers that is the giant hobby distributor.

It's name is very accurate as it is stringy and gooey. But the best thing is that the bond it makes can be pried loose later when you need access to the light bulb. (After all, it IS a rubber cement.) To limit this "prying off" move, I put a new bulb in and then glue the boiler front on.

Most hobby shops carry it, and many online hobby outfits do as well. If all else fails, you can order GOO directly from Walthers. Craft stores have similar products, but none are as strong as GOO so they sometimes have to be re-glueded from time to time.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80611	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/4/2018
Subject: Re: Loose Boiler Fronts

Buy a can of black Liquid Electrical Tape at any hardware store. It comes in a small can with a brush applicator. Spread a bit of it around the inside edge of the boiler, and press the boiler front into place. Secure it there with a large rubber band to keep it tight while the “tape” sets overnight. It will hold it in place, but can be removed when necessary.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 8:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Loose Boiler Fronts

Most of us have experienced loose boiler fronts on die-cast Flyer steamers such as early Hudsons. These hold the headlight socket. Sometimes the clamps are busted or missing, sometimes pieces of the inside rim are gone. I've just tried to wrap tape around the inside lip of the boiler front and jam it into place within the boiler, but it's a lousy fix.

Does anyone have some bright ideas as to how to secure the boiler front to keep it from flopping open after a few revolutions around the track? Is there some kind of "temporary" adhesive like booger glue (that's what the kids called it) such as you find on junk mail pieces--sort of a rubber-cement-type that might hold the front in place? The boiler doesn't need to be opened very often--just to replace the lamp, is all.

Thanks,
John Eichmann

Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers

Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80612	From: Edward Davis	Date: 4/4/2018
Subject: Re: Loose boiler fronts

I don't know if some other brands of the stuff are still on the market, I remember Pliobond for one worked the same as Goo.. Sometimes I use "Goop" available in building supplies likely other outlets..oh, craft stores? I've seen it at JoAnn's.. although I think the bond may be stronger than one desires, there are a few types of it..

Ed Davis, Boise ID

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 4:13 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Rebuilding old Flyer from junk boxes and yard sales as I do, I run across this fairly often. Obviously the best solution is to find a good replacement boiler front. But when that isn't possible, I use Walther's "GOO" a "glues anything to anything" type rubber cement that dates WAY back to the fifties. And yes, this is the same Walthers that is the giant hobby distributor.

It's name is very accurate as it is stringy and gooey. But the best thing is that the bond it makes can be pried loose later when you need access to the light bulb. (After all, it IS a rubber cement.) To limit this "prying off" move, I put a new bulb in and then glue the boiler front on.

Most hobby shops carry it, and many online hobby outfits do as well. If all else fails, you can order GOO directly from Walthers. Craft stores have similar products, but none are as strong as GOO so they sometimes have to be re-glueded from time to time.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80613	From: rm_hirailer	Date: 4/4/2018
Subject: Re: Loose Boiler Fronts

Thank you, Doug. A practical response, as always. I figured you might have a fix, and I searched your "repair" clinic, but didn't find it. You might consider adding it, as I believe it's a common problem.

I'm on my way to the hardware store.

Thanks again,

John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80614	From: snstrains	Date: 4/4/2018
Subject: Re: Loose Boiler Fronts

I use a light coating of "GOOP". Can be reopened for later bulb replacement.

Steve

SnS Trains

Boise

In a message dated 4/4/2018 6:23:09 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Buy a can of black Liquid Electrical Tape at any hardware store. It comes in a small can with a brush applicator. Spread a bit of it around the inside edge of the boiler, and press the boiler front into place. Secure it there with a large rubber band to keep it tight while the “tape” sets overnight. It will hold it in place, but can be removed when necessary.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 8:54 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Loose Boiler Fronts

Most of us have experienced loose boiler fronts on die-cast Flyer steamers such as early Hudsons. These hold the headlight socket. Sometimes the clamps are busted or missing, sometimes pieces of the inside rim are gone. I've just tried to wrap tape around the inside lip of the boiler front and jam it into place within the boiler, but it's a lousy fix.

Does anyone have some bright ideas as to how to secure the boiler front to keep it from flopping open after a few revolutions around the track? Is there some kind of "temporary" adhesive like booger glue (that's what the kids called it) such as you find on junk mail pieces--sort of a rubber-cement-type that might hold the front in place? The boiler doesn't need to be opened very often--just to replace the lamp, is all.

Thanks,
John Eichmann

Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers

Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80615	From: race944t	Date: 4/4/2018
Subject: Loose Boiler Fronts

I don’t like to goo, goop, tape or any temporary fix. Drill a small hole in the side of the part that goes into the boiler front. Get a small eyelet (Doug or I either one have some) and put it into the drilled out hole. Solder the hole up in the eyelet and build up enough solder so it becomes a tight fit on the inside of the boiler. You can adjust the amount of solder with a small file.

If you look at the later model boiler fronts without the arms, this is basically what they did.

“Banker” Bill Clark

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80616	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 4/4/2018
Subject: Re: Loose Boiler Fronts

Another good thing to do is to replace the brittle wire connected to the socket with superflex wire.

Sent from Don's iPad ! ! !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80617	From: chuck_7612	Date: 4/4/2018
Subject: Re: Good Old Trains

"Do we really need bells and whistles, cab chatter etc?"

I do. Maybe we all don't, but that's the near magical aspect of this hobby; so many possibilities to match so many diverse interests. I am happy to be running my toy trains from the 50's one day and running my modern scale trains under full electronic control via my smart phone the next day.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80618	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 4/4/2018
Subject: Re: Loose Boiler Fronts

Admirable concern for craftsmanship. Alternatively, depending on how the locomotive is constructed, one could drill a hole through the smokebox into the front, probably from underneath, tap for a small screw, say 0-80, that would hold the smokebox front securely but permit easy removal.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of race944t race944t@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 8:10 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Loose Boiler Fronts

If you look at the later model boiler fronts without the arms, this is basically what they did.

“Banker” Bill Clark

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80619	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 4/6/2018
Subject: Re: Good Old Trains

Yes we need bells and whistles to attract the new blood with all the apps and remotes. All the old guys will be dead soon. We need young bloods. CB

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H8KTXNU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:46 PM, chuck_7612@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

"Do we really need bells and whistles, cab chatter etc?"

I do. Maybe we all don't, but that's the near magical aspect of this hobby; so many possibilities to match so many diverse interests. I am happy to be running my toy trains from the 50's one day and running my modern scale trains under full electronic control via my smart phone the next day.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80620	From: racin510	Date: 4/6/2018
Subject: Re: Loose Boiler Fronts

It is unfortunate that Gilbert cheapened up and changed from the brass boiler front arms, which work perfectly, to the button type that wear out. Somehow I do get them to hold but I can't explain how, and still they tend to loosen up with a lot of running and let irritating light out around the boiler front. I do like Doug's method to try some day.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80621	From: race944t	Date: 4/6/2018
Subject: Re: Loose Boiler Fronts

Rick:

If you have the button type and it loosens up on you, just add a bit of solder to it and file down to a tight fit. If the front fits in tightly you shouldn’t get any light.

BTW, did you ever know a guy named Jeff Werth who I used to race with. He drove a 510 in the Runoffs at Road Atlanta years ago.

“Banker” (“Racer”) Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80622	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/7/2018
Subject: Repairing American Flyer 759 Danger Bell

The original bells in these things tend to crack over the years and no
longer make a satisfying ding sound. There have been all sorts of
suggestions to replace them over the years including 3/4 inch copper
pipe caps but those just make a kind of thud and no clear ring.

I recently found a source of usable bells on Amazon of all places! They
are sold as a bird toy and come with 3 bells and some beads on a chain.
Price is reasonable, under 9 dollars and free shipping if you have
Amazon Prime. http://tinyurl.com/ycu4ohln

You just remove the bells from the chain and flatten the rear end
slightly by placing them over a 5/16ths or so deep socket on a hard
surface and gently tap a flat about 3/8ths in diameter on the round end.

Ream out the hole to accommodate either a 4-40 screw and nut or a rivet
if you prefer.

They are the same diameter as the original bell but slightly longer.
They still fit in the little house and make a very pleasant ding when
activated.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80623	From: Fred Alles	Date: 4/8/2018
Subject: Re: Repairing American Flyer 759 Danger Bell

George, This looks great!! I tried the 3/4 inch copper cap as well and was not happy with the poor ring sound it made. I will try this suggestion. It has been awhile since I repaired the last one but remind me if you need to put some sort of small gasket between the bell and the stand? I think I had to but I forgot if I need to do that as well.

Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80624	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/9/2018
Subject: Repairing American Flyer 759 Danger Bell

I silver braze the cracked original bells. They then ring nicely.

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80625	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/9/2018
Subject: Re: good old trains

I too, now suffer from "No Cash Syndrome"; my days of buying the "latest
& greatest" are long gone--and besides, I know how to fix the old
stuff--the new stuff frustrates me!

I like the old mechanical sound systems--and the crew talk is seldom
realistic--how many steamers had radios??? I'll bet most of the
authentic "Crew Talk" isn't repeatable in family friendly situations!!
:) I was running one of my Challengers on a friend's layout, which was
on display in Dunmuir's Chamber of Commerce office, when my sister
walked in and told me my locomotive "sounds like a recording." Um, . .
.. Well. . .. Gee, that IS what it is!

Give me old fashioned "Choo-Choo" !!

That being said though, the new Polar Express is actually a reasonable
price and it's pretty great for under the Christmas Tree or other
similar places.

When I build my layout, it will be somewhat "Hi Rail" but using a LOT of
ACG stuff, which we all know is out of scale, but FUN! And isn't that
what it's all about, FUN??? Fortunately I have a large enough "stash" of
old stuff that building the layout won't cost much, mostly "table"
materials and scenery, I'll scratch built the other stuff like
buildings. I hope I get to do this before I can't do it though. . . .

S'incerely,

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80626	From: ALAN	Date: 4/9/2018
Subject: Re: good old trains

Attachments :

My sentiments exactly, David, even the part about enjoying my "first generation" Lionel AF Polar Express. I do have a few American Models and S-Helper items, but most of them might be considered "vintage" by now, and all are run on "pure" AC power.

The relative ease of restoring, repairing and maintaining my old trains and my under-the-table train show finds have kept me going in this hobby.

I, too, hope to put it all together in a rather traditional AF layout with scenery before I can no longer enjoy it. For now my operations are confined to a couple of S gauge loops at the TCA/TTOS clubhouse and our portable Capitol Holidays Layout. Even then, the ACG chuffing engines seem to impress the visitors as much as any sounds from the Polar Express.

If I ever do get started on that layout, I won't need to buy much other than wire and scenic materials either. Although I have been to the York meet once and enjoyed it immensely, I am now rather looking forward to shopping my own toy train storage areas in preparation for the build and finding what treasures may be hidden there.

Cheers!

Alan Bennett
Keizer, OR

Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App

------ Original Message ------

From: 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains]
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Sent: April 9, 2018 at 4:57 AM
Subject: [S-Trains] re: good old trains

I too, now suffer from "No Cash Syndrome"; my days of buying the "latest
& greatest" are long gone--and besides, I know how to fix the old
stuff--the new stuff frustrates me!

I like the old mechanical sound systems--and the crew talk is seldom
realistic--how many steamers had radios??? I'll bet most of the
authentic "Crew Talk" isn't repeatable in family friendly situations!!
:) I was running one of my Challengers on a friend's layout, which was
on display in Dunmuir's Chamber of Commerce office, when my sister
walked in and told me my locomotive "sounds like a recording." Um, . .
.. Well. . .. Gee, that IS what it is!

Give me old fashioned "Choo-Choo" !!

That being said though, the new Polar Express is actually a reasonable
price and it's pretty great for under the Christmas Tree or other
similar places.

When I build my layout, it will be somewhat "Hi Rail" but using a LOT of
ACG stuff, which we all know is out of scale, but FUN! And isn't that
what it's all about, FUN??? Fortunately I have a large enough "stash" of
old stuff that building the layout won't cost much, mostly "table"
materials and scenery, I'll scratch built the other stuff like
buildings. I hope I get to do this before I can't do it though. . . .

S'incerely,

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80627	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 4/9/2018
Subject: Re: good old trains

Sorry David, but I have to disagree. The crew talk is pretty neat even if it didn't exist in Steamers. I love hearing the Polar Express announcements. All Aboard! This IS the Polar Express. and Tickets, Tickets please. among others. The bell and whistles are so much more realistic. As far as the old mechanical Choo choo, that gets so annoying after a while especially with 2 or more steamers going at once.

True this was all great stuff back in the day when it first came out. and it blew Lionel stuff out of the water. Nostalgia is nice, but I way prefer modern times and modern trains. Remember back in the 60's when there were no parts for repairing Gilbert trains? Today there is a plenty and before you know it the modern trains will be the nostalgic trains of yesterday with the kids today changing the electronics out like we change out brushes and springs and rewind commutators.

I started 15 years ago changing out the old with the new and was looked down upon by a lot of you Gilbert Tried and True guys, and today a lot are doing the same thing and even going a step further by adding the DCC and TMCC sounds to our old Gilbert trains. Technology can be a blast.

I don't know a lot yet about the electronic boards, but by golly I am going to learn. Just my Thoughts. Chris, CBtrainnut

On Monday, April 9, 2018, 7:55:05 AM EDT, 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80628	From: tbbeqayah	Date: 4/12/2018
Subject: Re: Repairing American Flyer 759 Danger Bell

George,
Thanks for the information on the brass bell for the Bell Danger Signal.

I am just today working on that accessory for inclusion in my next book on Gilbert American Flyer Repair (4th Edition).

I have used a 3/4 inch plumbing end cap with success, but the brass bells are most likely superior.

I can give you credit if you so wish.

Tom Barker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80629	From: race944t	Date: 4/13/2018
Subject: Re: Repairing American Flyer 759 Danger Bell

George:

I couldn’t wait to order these bells. Although not a perfect fit, they look to be very close. I ordered some and they were delivered yesterday. They are ever so slightly larger in diameter and length although once you flatten the rivet end they get really close in length.

My little chart below shows my results.

	Gilbert	New	Modified	Difference after mods
O.D.	1"	1 7/64"	1 7/64"	7/64" larger
Length	13/16"	1"	15/16"	1/8" longer

My questions to you are:

Have I flattened the bottom of the bell enough to roughly equal what you found works. What length did you end up with?
Does the overall larger O.D. seem to affect the ringing of the bell? Do you think flattening the bottom side of the bell to maintain the factory distance to the plunger would help, hurt or make no difference?

Thanks for finding this solution to an age old problem.

“Banker” Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80630	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/13/2018
Subject: Re: Repairing American Flyer 759 Danger Bell

On 4/13/2018 6:54 AM, 'race944t' race944t@... [S-Trains] wrote:

> George:
>
> I couldn’t wait to order these bells. Although not a perfect fit, they
> look to be very close. I ordered some and they were delivered
> yesterday. They are ever so slightly larger in diameter and length
> although once you flatten the rivet end they get really close in length.
>
> My little chart below shows my results.
>

I just flattened it enough to be the size of the washer. It fits in the
house and you can bend the supporting bracket up or down for best sound.

George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80631	From: race944t	Date: 4/14/2018
Subject: Re: Repairing American Flyer 759 Danger Bell

Well, don't try to include a spreadsheet format in a reply. All those measurements didn't make a bit of sense the way they displayed. Sorry folks.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80632	From: rxman46321	Date: 4/16/2018
Subject: scale wheels for S Helper NW2

Looking to trade a set of hi rail wheelsets for scale S Helper NW2 locomotive

will reimburse your freight.

John Griffin

219-742-6337

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80633	From: kerhart@frontier.com	Date: 4/18/2018
Subject: Re: Hi-Rail wheelsets to swap.

Hi, John,

How are you doing? I have been meaning to respond to your inquiry about swapping wheelsets. I can use some hi-rail wheels for my AM passenger cars. I have the heavyweights, lightweights and Budd. I believe the lightweights and heavyweights use 33". Would your SHS wheels work for these? Take care.

Keith Erhart

On Monday, March 12, 2018 2:33 PM, "rxman46321@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Gentlemen,

I Have 134 hi-rail wheelsets that I am looking to swap for scale sets. These are predominately s-helper.

John Griffin

rxman46321 at aol.com off line please

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80634	From: John Keating	Date: 4/18/2018
Subject: Re: Hi-Rail wheelsets to swap.

Hello Keith,

It appears that the email gremlins have snuck in; your email should have gone only to John Griffin. I hope this helps.

John Keating

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:26 PM, 'kerhart@...' kerhart@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi, John,

How are you doing? I have been meaning to respond to your inquiry about swapping wheelsets. I can use some hi-rail wheels for my AM passenger cars. I have the heavyweights, lightweights and Budd. I believe the lightweights and heavyweights use 33". Would your SHS wheels work for these? Take care.

Keith Erhart

On Monday, March 12, 2018 2:33 PM, "rxman46321@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Gentlemen,

I Have 134 hi-rail wheelsets that I am looking to swap for scale sets. These are predominately s-helper.

John Griffin
rxman46321 at aol.com off line please

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80635	From: dale2680	Date: 4/23/2018
Subject: What has happened to S-trains?

I am posting this from the Yahoo site if it gets through. My email posts earlier were rejected. Is this group gone. It still appears in a listing of Yahoo Groups, but I can't post, at least from the address at which I was receiving emails.

Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80636	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/23/2018
Subject: Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor

This is my previously rejected message, but since I had luck with my last message, I thought I would try this sending it to both the Yahoo and the groups.io "S-trains"

-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:	Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor
Date:	Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:13:42 -0700
From:	Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...>
To:	S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

When I updated the americanflyerdisplays.org website with new photos 
from the Ray Mohrlang Collection, I put up a photo of a Macy's window 
display.  I had assumed that it was the Macy's in New York City, but I 
have recently learned that the toy department in that city was on the 
sixth floor, not the fourth floor as mentioned in a sign in that window 
display.

So, here is the question.  Does anyone remember a fourth floor toy 
department in their local Macy's store?  We may not be able to pin the 
location of this layout down, unless someone remembers it, but that will 
at least give us a list of possible locations.  The photo can be seen at 
this link. http://americanflyerdisplays.org/department_store/macys.htm

I already know that the toy department in San Francisco Macy's was on 
the fourth floor, but I don't remember this layout.  Maybe because I was 
only about 3 years old in 1948 when this layout most likely existed.  
Also I don't remember Macy's in SF handling Flyer.   Penney's was the 
place for that.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80637	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/23/2018
Subject: What happened to S-Trains?

It's still in operation as both a Yahoo Group and a groups.io group. I still have no problem posting by doing it on the group itself. Sending and receiving by e-mail seems to be having more problems.

Stumpy in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80638	From: snstrains	Date: 4/23/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains?

I don't know. I think I'm still here

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 4/23/2018 5:13:53 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

I am posting this from the Yahoo site if it gets through. My email posts earlier were rejected. Is this group gone. It still appears in a listing of Yahoo Groups, but I can't post, at least from the address at which I was receiving emails.

Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80639	From: Edward Davis	Date: 4/24/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Well glad to get some posts to show the group is still around. Ed Davis, Boise ID

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 7:48 PM, boss31@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I don't know. I think I'm still here

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 4/23/2018 5:13:53 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

I am posting this from the Yahoo site if it gets through. My email posts earlier were rejected. Is this group gone. It still appears in a listing of Yahoo Groups, but I can't post, at least from the address at which I was receiving emails.

Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80640	From: Edward Davis	Date: 4/24/2018
Subject: Re: Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor

as my strong memories of Macy's still remain and remember getting off the elevator at the 5th floor, not to make waves but at least in the days of my childhood to maybe 12-13 years old [roughly 1948-56] Macy' Herald Square NYC had the toys on the 5th floor. As a child I remember seeing small American Flyer and Lionel setups, at least at Christmas time.

Also was a regular watching the Magic tricks man, BTW toys and the magic were in the 7th ave building, westerly side;.. the Broadway building [eastern side] had a record dep't that I frequented too. Thankfully that great building hasn't fallen to 'progress" . Ed Davis, Boise idaho

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

This is my previously rejected message, but since I had luck with my last message, I thought I would try this sending it to both the Yahoo and the groups.io "S-trains"

-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:	Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor
Date:	Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:13:42 -0700
From:	Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...>
To:	S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

When I updated the americanflyerdisplays.org website with new photos
from the Ray Mohrlang Collection, I put up a photo of a Macy's window
display.  I had assumed that it was the Macy's in New York City, but I
have recently learned that the toy department in that city was on the
sixth floor, not the fourth floor as mentioned in a sign in that window
display.

So, here is the question.  Does anyone remember a fourth floor toy
department in their local Macy's store?  We may not be able to pin the
location of this layout down, unless someone remembers it, but that will
at least give us a list of possible locations.  The photo can be seen at
this link. http://americanflyerdisplays.o rg/department_store/macys.htm

I already know that the toy department in San Francisco Macy's was on
the fourth floor, but I don't remember this layout.  Maybe because I was
only about 3 years old in 1948 when this layout most likely existed. 
Also I don't remember Macy's in SF handling Flyer.   Penney's was the 
place for that.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80641	From: Harry Granzow	Date: 4/24/2018
Subject: Re: Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor

Nice pictures .Thank posting

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 23, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

This is my previously rejected message, but since I had luck with my last message, I thought I would try this sending it to both the Yahoo and the groups.io "S-trains"

-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:	Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor
Date:	Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:13:42 -0700
From:	Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...>
To:	S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

When I updated the americanflyerdisplays.org website with new photos
from the Ray Mohrlang Collection, I put up a photo of a Macy's window
display.  I had assumed that it was the Macy's in New York City, but I
have recently learned that the toy department in that city was on the
sixth floor, not the fourth floor as mentioned in a sign in that window
display.

So, here is the question.  Does anyone remember a fourth floor toy
department in their local Macy's store?  We may not be able to pin the
location of this layout down, unless someone remembers it, but that will
at least give us a list of possible locations.  The photo can be seen at
this link. http://americanflyerdisplays.org/department_store/macys.htm

I already know that the toy department in San Francisco Macy's was on
the fourth floor, but I don't remember this layout.  Maybe because I was
only about 3 years old in 1948 when this layout most likely existed. 
Also I don't remember Macy's in SF handling Flyer.   Penney's was the
place for that.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80642	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/24/2018
Subject: Re: Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor

I was born and raised in SF and still live 12 miles south and my memory of Flyer in SF in the 50's was that Penneys was the place. Emporium and Macy's had none at all when I was a pre-teen at that time. I did get my second Flyer set, a Silver Bullet, at Merrill's drug store at 4th and Market. It was a post Christmas special and they had it running on an extended oval of all curved track, with the side of the oval made up of several S curves. It was odd to see the train run on that setup.

I also remember the hobby shop in the Emporium from the late 50's and early 60's when I was in my HO phase, which I appear to be reliving, witness my interest in Gilbert HO. In those days, my budget was more along the lines of Athearn Hi-F drives and Revell structures. I remember the manager was a Mr. Fell, but don't remember Ken Kidder, except as a manufacturer, or perhaps more accurately and importer. I do know it was a concession in the 4th floor annex.

My original question related to whether anyone could remember any Macy's with a 4th floor toy department in any city. I only mentioned SF as the toy department was on that floor. The photo was from the late 40's, before my toy department roaming for trains began, so it is possible that this could be from SF, but I doubt it. This collection of photos was originally Maury Romer's and it is not a west coast collection. There is not another west coast location in over 100 photos in the collection. I am trying to construct a list of possible locations, so what cities had a Macy's and which ones may have had a 4th Floor Toy department?

Dale Smith

On 4/23/2018 5:35 PM, SP4149 wrote:

Dale,

I didn't get to SF until 1954. I don't remember trains of any kind at Macy's or Penney's. The place for trains in a downtown SF store was the Emporium on Market. The train/hobby shop in the Emporium was run by Ken Kidder, and they had Flyer... and HO and Lionel. I think that was where I saw my first AF Santa Fe Alco PAs pulling silver passenger cars.

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com

This is my previously rejected message, but since I had luck with my last message, I thought I would try this sending it to both the Yahoo and the groups.io "S-trains"

-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject: Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor

Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:13:42 -0700

From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...>

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

When I updated the americanflyerdisplays.org website with new photos from the Ray Mohrlang Collection, I put up a photo of a Macy's window display. I had assumed that it was the Macy's in New York City, but I have recently learned that the toy department in that city was on the sixth floor, not the fourth floor as mentioned in a sign in that window display. So, here is the question. Does anyone remember a fourth floor toy department in their local Macy's store? We may not be able to pin the location of this layout down, unless someone remembers it, but that will at least give us a list of possible locations. The photo can be seen at this link. http://americanflyerdisplays.org/department_store/macys.htm I already know that the toy department in San Francisco Macy's was on the fourth floor, but I don't remember this layout. Maybe because I was only about 3 years old in 1948 when this layout most likely existed. Also I don't remember Macy's in SF handling Flyer. Penney's was the place for that. Thanks for any help you can give. Dale Smith

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80643	From: Chris Harding	Date: 4/24/2018
Subject: Re: AF Displays - Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor

The link to the department store layouts - Eureka Stores in Windber, PA has a photo of what appears to be a 5008 set with the Santa Fe 360, 361, and three aluminum streamlined passenger cars, all with unusual black trucks. What is also strange is that the 360 A unit has the warbonnet paint scheme but the 361 B unit does not and is the simple solid sliver or chrome with no red painted stripes.

The A unit in the Eureka photo may have the wire hand rails that came with some engines, but the B unit does not appear to have them. However, Doyle's book on AF does not mention a wire hand-rail version with warbonnet paint, only without.

Usually the 362 combination of 360 and 361 came either with both units with the warbonnet paint, or neither, but not with one of each. Is this a new variation or was Eureka mixing and matching? It's strange that with the black trucks they'd have enough to mix and match if that's the case.

Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80644	From: herbw202	Date: 4/24/2018
Subject: Re: Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor

Ed, You are most probably right. I remember that the Macy and the Gimbels Toy departments were on the 5th and 6th floors. I may well have mixed up my recollections and that it was Gimbels on the 6th and Macy on the fifth. AF and Lionel and Marx were ii the 7th Avenue(North) Building and the Gilbert HO was in the hobby shop in the 6th Avenue (South) building.

I am not sure whether the HO was ever moved to the 7th Avenue Building. I visited every store large store that had trains and some smaller ones every year from about 1947 through the early 60',. except for 1955-57 when I was n the Army.

At 83 my memory is not quite what it was. My apologies.

Herb Wasserman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80645	From: Edward Davis	Date: 4/25/2018
Subject: Re: AF Displays - Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor

Well I like to think I'm a Flyer guru but I can't recall wire handrails on those Alco PA's..360 and 361/364.. I don't question their existence, and never knew what Gilbert or Lionel might do.. I DO remember the all chrome 360/361..[saw a set in Wanamakers which closed in 1955 or so, no red warbonnet but just the Santa Fe decal on the nose, and numbers.. those chrome finishes didn't hold up well. AFAIK hat pair also came in full warbonnet, seen in 1950 catalog, too. I have never seen the year later 360/364 in all chrome, or all silver. Only with the warbonnet and color stripes.

Speaking of Dep't store layouts even if it was Lionel I remember the BEST store layout I ever saw was in B. Altman's on corner of 34th and 5th.. BIG and had a real water river in it River tubes were a clear plastic tubing and GG-1's hauled passenger trains thru them. What a beauty, wish I could see it again! Ed Davis Boise Idaho, born and raised in the Bronx!

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Chris Harding nyc17819@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The link to the department store layouts - Eureka Stores in Windber, PA has a photo of what appears to be a 5008 set with the Santa Fe 360, 361, and three aluminum streamlined passenger cars, all with unusual black trucks. What is also strange is that the 360 A unit has the warbonnet paint scheme but the 361 B unit does not and is the simple solid sliver or chrome with no red painted stripes.

The A unit in the Eureka photo may have the wire hand rails that came with some engines, but the B unit does not appear to have them. However, Doyle's book on AF does not mention a wire hand-rail version with warbonnet paint, only without.

Usually the 362 combination of 360 and 361 came either with both units with the warbonnet paint, or neither, but not with one of each. Is this a new variation or was Eureka mixing and matching? It's strange that with the black trucks they'd have enough to mix and match if that's the case.

Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80646	From: herbw202	Date: 4/25/2018
Subject: Re: AF Displays - Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor

Forgot about Alman's. Great store, but much too classy for today. The had some beautiful antique elevators

that I saw on a tour that were no longer in use.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80647	From: afjeff_56	Date: 4/25/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains?

I'm still gettting The S-list!!! But sometimes I'm finding the List in my spam folder... I tell it not too! Oh well, Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80648	From: Eric	Date: 4/25/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains?

S-Trains does show up on Groups.IO but with only 66 members. Last message April 24.

Was there an issue from the transfer? Is it still in work?

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 2:39 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm still gettting The S-list!!! But sometimes I'm finding the List in my spam folder... I tell it not too! Oh well, Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80649	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 4/25/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Eric,

The transfer was aborted because the image storage ( photos) allowed no limits on photo size and on the old YG list photos exceeded the free capacity of groups.io.

S-Scale had three times more storage on YG but the new list limited the maximum size to approximately full height on a 27" monitor. Just that limit change reduced the

size of photo storage 90% and the list was able to avoid upgrading to Premium. Oath is requiring YG list members to take the Oath pledge. I imagine those who don't take the 'pledge' will lose access to lists on Oath/YG. I will likely find out soon enough, next month it has been anticipated will be when Oath makes public the future of YG lists.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric ericrhere@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2018 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains?

S-Trains does show up on Groups.IO but with only 66 members. Last message April 24.

Was there an issue from the transfer? Is it still in work?

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 2:39 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm still gettting The S-list!!! But sometimes I'm finding the List in my spam folder... I tell it not too! Oh well, Jeff S.......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80650	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/25/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains?

A little different question, but on the same topic directed to the moderators.

What are your plans for managing the two S-trains lists, the one on groups.io, with about 60-70 members, who apparently signed up on their own, and the one on Yahoo Groups with about 1800 members? Do you plan on running both of them or shutting down the groups.io group, that I understand is the remnant of an aborted transfer? There are major problems with the Yahoo group and many of my messages are being rejected as address unknown. It is hit or miss for a message to get through. Please let us know what is going on. I would prefer not to wait until Yahoo turns out the lights.

Dale Smith

On 4/25/2018 2:39 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I'm still gettting The S-list!!! But sometimes I'm finding the List in my spam folder... I tell it not too! Oh well, Jeff S......

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80651	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 4/26/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains?

The transfer of S-trains to groups.io was aborted when the list owner did not upgrade to a Premium list. Nothing was transferred. Members on the list on groups.io joined separately from the transfer. Right now Oath is allowing yet another death spiral for the old YG lists. One of these days the pilotless lists will not pull out of the spiral.

Fortunately for Oath, most list owners aren't really paying careful attention and will be unaware to the end. What I expect is that Oath as a new mobile media company will not subsidize the YG lists and their new business plan may retain the YG lists product (as a non-mobile media product) but at a new cost.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: EDWARD <ejenterp@...>
Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2018 5:57 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains?

A little different question, but on the same topic directed to the moderators.

Dale Smith

On 4/25/2018 2:39 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I'm still gettting The S-list!!! But sometimes I'm finding the List in my spam folder... I tell it not too! Oh well, Jeff S......

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80652	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/26/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Ken,

In typical Yahoo fashion, even the mechanism for accepting the new terms of service, which is 27 pages long, is screwed up. If you click on review and accept, it takes you to a login page and then when you login it takes to your Yahoo account home page, with no indication of where to go to "review and accept." I got an email from them for every ATT email address I had from when I was using ATT as an ISP. I switched the ISP to Comcast, but planned to keep a few of the ATT email addresses for different purposes because everyone who needed to know had them. If they kill the emails, I may need to switch to the Comcast domain. I will soon switch the contact me email addresses for the American Flyer Displays and Gilbertho.org websites to addresses at those website domains. URL's will remain the same.

It is now a strange situation with Oath, a Verizon company, handling ATT email. I thought for sure ATT would partner with someone other than their prime competitor for email service.

Dale Smith

On 4/25/2018 5:42 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Eric,

The transfer was aborted because the image storage ( photos) allowed no limits on photo size and on the old YG list photos exceeded the free capacity of groups.io.
S-Scale had three times more storage on YG but the new list limited the maximum size to approximately full height on a 27" monitor. Just that limit change reduced the

size of photo storage 90% and the list was able to avoid upgrading to Premium. Oath is requiring YG list members to take the Oath pledge. I imagine those who don't take the 'pledge' will lose access to lists on Oath/YG. I will likely find out soon enough, next month it has been anticipated will be when Oath makes public the future of YG lists.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric ericrhere@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2018 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains?

S-Trains does show up on Groups.IO but with only 66 members. Last message April 24.

Was there an issue from the transfer? Is it still in work?

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 2:39 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm still gettting The S-list!!! But sometimes I'm finding the List in my spam folder... I tell it not too! Oh well, Jeff S.......

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80653	From: lionely6b	Date: 4/26/2018
Subject: Re: AF Displays - Macy's Toy Department - 4th floor

FYI: Very early 1950 PAs and PBs with all-chromed finish had wire handrails. I own an example. And, BTW, Doyle's book is a great source of color pictures but is not always entirely accurate or complete.

Respectfully.

Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80654	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 4/26/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Dale,

ATT didn't have a choice they were (along with the baby Bells) using the Yahoo Mail Portal. Verizon acquired Yahoo and AOL to basically dominate the

e-mail support. I suspect most of us are now dependent on Oath/Verizon for delivery of our e-mail.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 26, 2018 4:13 am
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Ken,

It is now a strange situation with Oath, a Verizon company, handling ATT email. I thought for sure ATT would partner with someone other than their prime competitor for email service.

Dale Smith

On 4/25/2018 5:42 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Eric,

The transfer was aborted because the image storage ( photos) allowed no limits on photo size and on the old YG list photos exceeded the free capacity of groups.io.
S-Scale had three times more storage on YG but the new list limited the maximum size to approximately full height on a 27" monitor. Just that limit change reduced the

size of photo storage 90% and the list was able to avoid upgrading to Premium. Oath is requiring YG list members to take the Oath pledge. I imagine those who don't take the 'pledge' will lose access to lists on Oath/YG. I will likely find out soon enough, next month it has been anticipated will be when Oath makes public the future of YG lists.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric ericrhere@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2018 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains?

S-Trains does show up on Groups.IO but with only 66 members. Last message April 24.

Was there an issue from the transfer? Is it still in work?

Eric Reis

Kenmore, Wa.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 2:39 PM, afjeff_56@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm still gettting The S-list!!! But sometimes I'm finding the List in my spam folder... I tell it not too! Oh well, Jeff S.......

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80655	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/27/2018
Subject: I moved to 6 AF/Scale facebook groups.

I could not get s -trains to take 2 messages.

I have had a lot of feed back within minutes of posting and have posted video links, pictures and have had many conversation so I have given up on the 3 the 3 S groups.

Will see you again on the other side.

Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80656	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 4/27/2018
Subject: Re: I moved to 6 AF/Scale facebook groups.

Hey Jim:
Why wait that long!!:-) Keep on trying to post - I assume the feedback was all good; if the comments were not good, keep on posting and don't let whomever grind you down.
Happy S from across the pond
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 4/27/2018 06:17, aztecfan@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I could not get s -trains to take 2 messages.

I have had a lot of feed back within minutes of posting and have posted video links, pictures and have had many conversation so I have given up on the 3 the 3 S groups.

Will see you again on the other side.

Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80657	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/27/2018
Subject: dimmer control

Hi All,

I have crossed posted this on the s-trains.io list, however I know not everyone is there yet

As some of you might remember, I was asking about using dimmers to control track voltage from a 13.8 VDC power supply. I found an LED dimmer on Amazon:

BestLED PWM Dimming Controller for LED Lights, Ribbon, Strip, 12 - 24 Volt (12V - 24V) 8 Amp, Electrical Dimmer Switches for Home, Commercial, Industrial, and Office. Dimmer is compatible with Hilight, LED wholesaler, fillite, and others' strips

This is all I know about it, I haven’t been able to find any other info (at least that I could understand) about using PWM with DC motors.

Does anybody have any thoughts about using these? They cost $2.35 ea and are very smooth in operation. So far, they seem pretty neat.

Tom Stoltz in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80658	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 4/27/2018
Subject: Re: dimmer control

I have been using DC motor controllers to control up to 20 volt DC power supplies. In addition to a simple potentiometer knob

for speed control, they have a reversing switch (toggle) built-in. Extremely simple to hook up, basically ready to go. Worth it to

avoid the hassle of wiring in a reversing switch and the cost of a DPST toggle switch, slide switches are cheaper but don't last long.

Works well will an old TI 13.6 DC volt plug-in power supply.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2018 10:28 am
Subject: [S-Trains] dimmer control

Hi All,

I have crossed posted this on the s-trains.io list, however I know not everyone is there yet

As some of you might remember, I was asking about using dimmers to control track voltage from a 13.8 VDC power supply. I found an LED dimmer on Amazon:

BestLED PWM Dimming Controller for LED Lights, Ribbon, Strip, 12 - 24 Volt (12V - 24V) 8 Amp, Electrical Dimm er Switches for Home, Commercial, Industrial, and Office. Dimmer is compatible with Hilight, LED wholesaler, fillite, and others' strips

This is all I know about it, I haven’t been able to find any other info (at least that I could understand) about using PWM with DC motors.

Does anybody have any thoughts about using these? They cost $2.35 ea and are very smooth in operation. So far, they seem pretty neat.

Tom Stoltz in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80659	From: dockside98	Date: 4/27/2018
Subject: AF transformer repair service

Group,

Who are the individuals or companies that repair or service AF transformers?

Thanks

Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80660	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 4/27/2018
Subject: Re: AF transformer repair service

Ed,

Depending on the model, Doug Peck has most of the parts that tend to wear out and the repairs are pretty straight forward.

I've been modifying some of the bigger units with LED meters and converting some to DC. That is more challenging than just

a straight repair. you would probably get better advice if you mentioned the model numbers of the transformers needing service.

Seems like I stirred the pot a few months ago by mentioning I replace the original cord with grounded cords from old PCs. If

these transformers were sold today many would have 3 prong, grounded plugs.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2018 4:14 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] AF transformer repair service

Group,

Who are the individuals or companies that repair or service AF transformers?

Thanks

Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80661	From: george leidinger	Date: 4/27/2018
Subject: Re: AF transformer repair service

what is the problem??? The weight of the transformer could make it cost prohibitive SHIPPNG . Call /email Doug Peck Amatoes inNew Britain / Middletowm Ct If the unit has to be rewound Goggle factories that rewind Car armatours Replacement Volt meters can be obtained from Doug Peck Ampmeters No after market repros HAPPY hunting !!!

On Friday, April 27, 2018 7:14 PM, "edsauers@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Group,

Who are the individuals or companies that repair or service AF transformers?

Thanks

Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80662	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/28/2018
Subject: Re: dimmer control

"Kenneth Clark" sp4149

I have been using DC motor controllers to control up to 20 volt DC power supplies. In addition to a simple potentiometer knob
for speed control,

Hi Ken, could you please supply some item numbers? I would like to give them a look. I went with the ones I did because of the pulse width modulation, remembering somewhere in the back of my mind that ‘pulse’ is a good way to get motors to start turning smoothly – could be wrong though.

I realize I have to add a DPDT for reversing polarity and should add a circuit breaker too (the power supply puts out 20 amps and the dimmer can handle 8 amps) but at $2.35 adding the other necessities should prove pretty reasonable.

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80663	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 4/28/2018
Subject: Re: AF transformer repair service

Good evening Ed. Kenneth Clarks message from the S-Group about Doug Peck is good. I get my parts from Doug and I had a semaphore repaired. His website is doug@....

He is reliable.

Take care.

Bob

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 5:59 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] AF transformer repair service

Group,

Who are the individuals or companies that repair or service AF transformers?

Thanks

Ed Sauers

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80664	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 4/28/2018
Subject: Re: dimmer control

Tom,

Pulse power can overheat some motors especially at lower speeds and more efficient motors/

This is similar to the ones I bought, aka they look identical, but there are several similar one on eBay.

they make nice handheld units on a tether.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PWM-DC-12V-Motor-Speed-Controller-Reversible-Driver-Adjustable-Variable-Switch/201920400741?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Have one to sell? Sell now

PWM DC 12V Motor Speed Controller Reversible Driver

Adjustable Variable Switch

eBay item number:

201920400741

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 28, 2018 8:41 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: dimmer control

"Kenneth Clark" sp4149

I have been using DC motor controllers to control up to 20 volt DC power supplies. In addition to a simple potentiometer knob
for speed control,

Hi Ken, could you please supply some item numbers? I would like to give them a look. I went with the ones I did because of the pulse wid th modulation, remembering somewhere in the back of my mind that ‘pulse’ is a good way to get motors to start turning smoothly – could be wrong though.

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80665	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 4/28/2018
Subject: Re: dimmer control

If you are looking for units with PWM that could be board mounted, this should work, but you need to wire the reversing yourself.

12V 24V Max 20A PWM DC Motor Stepless Variable Speed Control Controller Swi W5K5

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-24V-Max-20A-PWM-DC-Motor-Stepless-Variable-Speed-Control-Controller-Swi-W5K5-/253558826532?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c1

eBay item number:253558826532

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

"Kenneth Clark" sp4149

I have been using DC motor controllers to control up to 20 volt DC power supplies. In addition to a simple potentiometer knob
for speed control,

Hi Ken, could you please supply some item numbers? I would like to give them a look. I went with the ones I did because of the pulse wid th modulation, remembering somewhere in the back of my mind that ‘pulse’ is a good way to get motors to start turning smoothly – could be wrong though.

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80666	From: rxman46321	Date: 4/28/2018
Subject: Spring Spree

Have a room at the convention hotel and looking for a roommate. Anyone going but don't have a room yet?

John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80667	From: Thomas Stoltz	Date: 4/30/2018
Subject: Re: dimmer control

Ken wrote:” Pulse power can overheat some motors especially at lower speeds and more efficient motors”

Ken, I’m somewhat confused (easy to do) here. The link you included is for a PWM DC motor controller and at the same time you seem to imply PWM is not good for motors. My guess is an efficient motor would be a can motor which is what I use. And overheating would be a problem for me as the intended use is for a Xmas display layout with long operating periods.

This is the dimmer I bought:

As I said, at $2.36 the price is right, however I don’t what to damage any of my engines. When I Googled DC motor control, I ended up at Amazon and found way too many to choose from – when you don’t know what you’re doing -- and not enough info for input voltages. I do plan to board mount them and have 3 different controllers. Adding my own reverse switches is not an issue, actually I would prefer to add my own.

Tom Stoltz in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80668	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 4/30/2018
Subject: Re: dimmer control

Tom,

The motors that have the most problems with pulse power are highly efficient coreless motors with less heat dissipating mass

than can motors. As the pulse gets bigger (higher motor RPMS), the overheating problem disappears.

People who use DCC are using a PWM controller and also have problems with smaller mass coreless motors.

The link I sent is for a PWM controller that can be used for motor testing before a DCC decoder board is installed (and possibly fried).

The first link I sent was for a simple, reversible DC motor controller without pulse power that I use on a tether.

From what I can see is that the LED dimmer may produce a different PWM pattern than the motor controller, the LEDs require a specific

pattern. The components may be more rugged for the motor controller. For controlling DC motors both should work, however I would

only used a LED dimmer to control LED light output. The specs are very limited in the product ads.

If you are using LEDs for headlights, the LED dimmer should also dim your loco headlights, car lighting. Since the PWM function dims LEDs

by turning them off and on, any on board LEDs would also be turning on and off..

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Thomas Stoltz' tstoltz@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: S-Trains <S-Trains@...>
Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2018 8:34 am
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: dimmer control

Ken wrote:” Pulse power can overheat some motors especially at lower speeds and more efficient motors”

Ken, I’m somewhat confused (easy to do) here. The link you included is for a PWM DC motor controller and at the same time you seem to imply PWM is not good for motors. My guess is an efficient motor would be a can motor which is what I use. And overheating would be a problem for me as the i ntended use is for a Xmas display layout with long operating periods..

This is the dimmer I bought:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H8KTXNU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Tom Stoltz in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80669	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/30/2018
Subject: AF 759 Danger Bell and 761 Crossing Guard

I love the original American Flyer trains but think the accessories
could be more realistic.

I've designed several Arduino based projects to make them more realistic.

I just posted a YouTube video of one of my projects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LKeGpnMdsg

Take a look at it and tell me what you think.

I may offer pc boards in the future to allow others to duplicate them.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80670	From: Tom	Date: 5/1/2018
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell and 761 Crossing Guard

I would love to get a couple of these boards if they ever become available. My past efforts to accomplish this result have resulted in burned out coils and they were more expensive than I gather this product would be.

Tom Detmer

On Apr 30, 2018, at 2:41 PM, George Cohn gwcohn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I love the original American Flyer trains but think the accessories
could be more realistic.

I've designed several Arduino based projects to make them more realistic.

I just posted a YouTube video of one of my projects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LKeGpnMdsg

Take a look at it and tell me what you think.

I may offer pc boards in the future to allow others to duplicate them.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80671	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/1/2018
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell and 761 Crossing Guard

On 5/1/2018 4:22 AM, Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:

> I would love to get a couple of these boards if they ever become
> available. My past efforts to accomplish this result have resulted in
> burned out coils and they were more expensive than I gather this product
> would be.
>
>
> Tom Detmer

I used a very expensive board service to get mine done. If I can
recreate them in https://easyeda.com, I will make them a public project
and you can order boards from them very cheaply.

I will post the schematic and Arduino sketch soon and you could just
make one on perfboard.

The burned out coil was my chief concern. Using the Arduino chip, I
programmed a very short pulse for the coil which allows it to ding for
longer periods without overheating.

Another bonus is if you park on the track trip, it dings and flashes
continuously and you are aware that is is parked on the trip.

I designed it to use the stock trip as all it needs is a momentary
contact to activate. You could also use reed relays or an infrared
detector to trigger it just by changing the value of one resistor.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80672	From: Tom	Date: 5/1/2018
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell and 761 Crossing Guard

George,

Thanks for the additional info. I’ll watch for more info whenever you have a chance to post it.

Tom Detmer

On May 1, 2018, at 10:17 AM, George Cohn gwcohn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On 5/1/2018 4:22 AM, Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:
> I would love to get a couple of these boards if they ever become
> available. My past efforts to accomplish this result have resulted in
> burned out coils and they were more expensive than I gather this product
> would be.
>
>
> Tom Detmer

I used a very expensive board service to get mine done. If I can
recreate them in https://easyeda.com, I will make them a public project
and you can order boards from them very cheaply.

I will post the schematic and Arduino sketch soon and you could just
make one on perfboard.

The burned out coil was my chief concern. Using the Arduino chip, I
programmed a very short pulse for the coil which allows it to ding for
longer periods without overheating.

Another bonus is if you park on the track trip, it dings and flashes
continuously and you are aware that is is parked on the trip.

I designed it to use the stock trip as all it needs is a momentary
contact to activate. You could also use reed relays or an infrared
detector to trigger it just by changing the value of one resistor.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80673	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 5/1/2018
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell and 761 Crossing Guard

excellent video George. I need to learn the Arduino system. I bought a bunch but just haven't figured it out yet. Looking forward to morre videos. I watched the Crossing and danger bell video. Excellent work.

Chris Burger

On Monday, April 30, 2018, 9:10:58 PM EDT, George Cohn gwcohn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80674	From: allscalerails	Date: 5/5/2018
Subject: All Scale Rails Issue #20 May 2018

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80675	From: fahrwud	Date: 5/5/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Some things I've noticed and have experienced with the latest Yahoo shenanigans:

- Some groups.io lists apparently see their emails to members being diverted to the individual members' spam folders. The Atlas/Craftsman lathe group noted this in their intro recently.

- If you receive your list emails on a non-Yahoo address and then reply from that address, the email gets rejected.

- What I did when signing up for groups.io was use a Gmail address. If you use a non-Yahoo address for groups.io, there seems to be no problem with the spam diversions, or your list owner getting an automatic spam complaint courtesy of Yahoo/Oath/Curse/PITA....whatever it has become now.

- In short, if you use a Yahoo email for groups.io, expect annoyance.

- Set your Yahoo mail preferences to forward to your non-Yahoo email, at least until Yahoo groups' last breath.

- Ditching Yahoo for groups.io seems to be a good option.

Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80676	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 5/5/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains? >>OATH

For the umpteenth time, it's not Yahoo it is now Oath. And Verizon bought several e-mail providers in addition to those who were on the Yahoo mail portal but didn't advertise the connection (like ATT and the baby Bells). AS a groups.io list owner I have seen a variety of e-mail providers demand list member be unsubscribed because they determined a groups.io message was spam. Even gmail users. Last weekend OATH demanded I sign the Oath Loyalty and Submission pledge in order to access my AOL e-mail (There was no advance warning, I had no choice) The week before Oath wanted the same pledge for list on YahooGroups, I declined; so I expect future problems. YG Ignored users, Oath is going to punish slackards who do not show them true love and devotion.

When you accept the Oath pledge (which includes YG lists) understand:

All your photo and video data belong to OATH

The new privacy policy also explicitly states that Oath collects your photos and videos identifying "EXIF" data.

Translation? Well, aside from snooping on your photos and videos, Oath has the right to collect their location, date and time data, camera settings used and even scan them for image and facial recognition.

You can turn off your camera's EXIF and metadata features, of course, but this won't stop Oath from scanning and analyzing your photo and video content.

Your banking emails are fair game

But perhaps the most disturbing part of the new privacy policy is this - "Oath may analyze user content around certain interactions with financial institutions." This means they can scan email content and communications from your bank and credit card company, for example, and use the data for their purposes.

Oath says that this enables the company to build features that interact with such institutions but lo and behold, it also allows them to send targeted ads via the data mined from these emails. Who knows what else will they do with your banking data?

Want to sue Oath for privacy violations? Well, good luck with that

Another interesting section is a mutual arbitration clause that waives your right to a class action lawsuit. This is a big change for Yahoo customers in particular since these waivers were not part of its old privacy policy.

So if you have issues with how the company is using your data and you have concerns about your privacy, this clause indicates that it will be difficult to sue them. You agreed with its new privacy terms in the first place, right?

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: fahrwud@yahoo..com [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 5, 2018 12:48 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Some things I've noticed and have experienced with the latest Yahoo shenanigans:

- Some groups.io lists apparently see their emails to members being diverted to the individual members' spam folders. The Atlas/Craftsman lathe group noted this in their intro recently.

- If you receive your list emails on a non-Yahoo address and then reply from that address, the email gets rejected.

- In short, if you use a Yahoo email for groups.io, expect annoyance.

- Set your Yahoo mail preferences to forward to your non-Yahoo email, at least until Yahoo groups 9; last breath.

- Ditching Yahoo for groups.io seems to be a good option.

Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80677	From: railandsail	Date: 5/5/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains? >>OATH

Sounds like they are demanding a loyalty oath like someone else high in our government....ha...ha

And they want to keep and own everything about private citizens. such BS

Brian

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

For the umpteenth time, it's not Yahoo it is now Oath. And Verizon bought several e-mail providers in addition to those who were on the Yahoo mail portal but didn't advertise the connection (like ATT and the baby Bells). AS a groups.io list owner I have seen a variety of e-mail providers demand list member be unsubscribed because they determined a groups.io message was spam. Even gmail users. Last weekend OATH demanded I sign the Oath Loyalty and Submission pledge in order to access my AOL e-mail (There was no advance warning, I had no choice) The week before Oath wanted the same pledge for list on YahooGroups, I declined; so I expect future problems. YG Ignored users, Oath is going to punish slackards who do not show them true love and devotion.

When you accept the Oath pledge (which includes YG lists) understand:

All your photo and video data belong to OATH

The new privacy policy also explicitly states that Oath collects your photos and videos identifying "EXIF" data.

Translation? Well, aside from snooping on your photos and videos, Oath has the right to collect their location, date and time data, camera settings used and even scan them for image and facial recognition.

You can turn off your camera's EXIF and metadata features, of course, but this won't stop Oath from scanning and analyzing your photo and video content.

Your banking emails are fair game

But perhaps the most disturbing part of the new privacy policy is this - "Oath may analyze user content around certain interactions with financial institutions." This means they can scan email content and communications from your bank and credit card company, for example, and use the data for their purposes..

Oath says that this enables the company to build features that interact with such institutions but lo and behold, it also allows them to send targeted ads via the data mined from these emails. Who knows what else will they do with your banking data?

Want to sue Oath for privacy violations? Well, good luck with that

Another interesting section is a mutual arbitration clause that waives your right to a class action lawsuit. This is a big change for Yahoo customers in particular since these waivers were not part of its old privacy policy.

So if you have issues with how the company is using your data and you have concerns about your privacy, this clause indicates that it will be difficult to sue them. You agreed with its new privacy terms in the first place, right?

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: fahrwud@yahoo..com [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 5, 2018 12:48 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Some things I've noticed and have experienced with the latest Yahoo shenanigans:

- Some groups.io lists apparently see their emails to members being diverted to the individual members' spam folders. The Atlas/Craftsman lathe group noted this in their intro recently.

- If you receive your list emails on a non-Yahoo address and then reply from that address, the email gets rejected.

- What I did when signing up for groups.io was use a Gmail address. If you use a non-Yahoo address for groups.io, there seems to be no problem with the spam diversions, or your list owner getting an automatic spam complaint courtesy of Yahoo/Oath/Curse/PITA.... whatever it has become now.

- In short, if you use a Yahoo email for groups.io, expect annoyance.

- Set your Yahoo mail preferences to forward to your non-Yahoo email, at least until Yahoo groups 9; last breath.

- Ditching Yahoo for groups.io seems to be a good option.

Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80678	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 5/5/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains? >>OATH

Brian,

There are a lot of YG list owners who have not been paying attention and are in for a wake-up call soon.

Quiet, don't wake them.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: railandsail railandsail@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 5, 2018 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains? >>OATH

Sounds like they are demanding a loyalty oath like someone else high in our government....ha...ha

And they want to keep and own everything about private citizens. such BS

Brian

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

For the umpteenth time, it's not Yahoo it is now Oath. And Verizon bought several e-mail providers in addition to those who were on the Yahoo mail portal but didn't advertise the connection (like ATT and the baby Bells). AS a groups.io list owner I have seen a variety of e-mail providers demand list member be unsubscribed because they determined a groups.io message was spam. Even gmail users. Last weekend OATH demanded I sign the Oath Loyalty and Submission pledge in order to access my AOL e-mail (There was no advance warning, I had no choice) The week before Oath wanted the same pledge for list on YahooGroups, I declined; so I expect future problems. YG Ignored users, Oath is going to punish slackards who do not show them true love and devotion.

When you accept the Oath pledge (which includes YG lists) understand:

All your photo and video data belong to OATH

The new privacy policy also explicitly states that Oath collects your photos and videos identifying "EXIF" data.

Translation? Well, aside from snooping on your photos and videos, Oath has the right to collect their location, date and time data, camera settings used and even scan them for image and facial recognition.

You can turn off your camera's EXIF and metadata features, of course, but this won't stop Oath from scanning and analyzing your photo and video content.

Your banking emails are fair game

But perhaps the most disturbing part of the new privacy policy is this - "Oath may analyze user content around certain interactions with financial institutions." This means they can scan email content and communications from your bank and credit card company, for example, and use the data for their purposes..

Oath says that this enables the company to build features that interact with such institutions but lo and behold, it also allows them to send targeted ads via the data mined from these emails. Who knows what else will they do with your banking data?

Want to sue Oath for privacy violations? Well, good luck with that

Another interesting section is a mutual arbitration clause that waives your right to a class action lawsuit. This is a big change for Yahoo customers in particular since these waivers were not part of its old privacy policy.

So if you have issues with how the company is using your data and you have concerns about your privacy, this clause indicates that it will be difficult to sue them. You agreed with its new privacy terms in the first place, right?

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P..O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: fahrwud@yahoo..com [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 5, 2018 12:48 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Some things I've noticed and have experienced with the latest Yahoo shenanigans:

- Some groups.io lists apparently see their emails to members being diverted to the individual members' spam folders. The Atlas/Craftsman lathe group noted this in their intro recently.

- If you receive your list emails on a non-Yahoo address and then reply from that address, the email gets rejected.

- What I did when signing up for groups.io was use a Gmail address. If you use a non-Yahoo address for groups.io, there seems to be no problem with the spam diversions, or your list owner getting an automatic spam complaint courtesy of Yahoo/Oath/Curse/PITA.... whatever it has become now.

- In short, if you use a Yahoo email for groups.io, expect annoyance.

- Set your Yahoo mail preferences to forward to your non-Yahoo email, at least until Yahoo groups 9; last breath.

- Ditching Yahoo for groups.io seems to be a good option.

Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80679	From: Scubadoo22	Date: 5/5/2018
Subject: Working for me

Yahoo seems to be working on my end
Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80680	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 5/5/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains? >>OATH

How do we go about getting off tjis list now. S trains is obviously not worth all this trouble. I'll stick with my Face book groups until something better comes along.Chris Burger. Cbtrainnut

https://groups.io/g/ModelRailroadsofSoCalif

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

For the umpteenth time, it's not Yahoo it is now Oath. And Verizon bought several e-mail providers in addition to those who were on the Yahoo mail portal but didn't advertise the connection (like ATT and the baby Bells). AS a groups.io list owner I have seen a variety of e-mail providers demand list member be unsubscribed because they determined a groups.io message was spam. Even gmail users. Last weekend OATH demanded I sign the Oath Loyalty and Submission pledge in order to access my AOL e-mail (There was no advance warning, I had no choice) The week before Oath wanted the same pledge for list on YahooGroups, I declined; so I expect future problems. YG Ignored users, Oath is going to punish slackards who do not show them true love and devotion..

When you accept the Oath pledge (which includes YG lists) understand:

All your photo and video data belong to OATH

The new privacy policy also explicitly states that Oath collects your photos and videos identifying "EXIF" data.

Translation? Well, aside from snooping on your photos and videos, Oath has the right to collect their location, date and time data, camera settings used and even scan them for image and facial recognition.

You can turn off your camera's EXIF and metadata features, of course, but this won't stop Oath from scanning and analyzing your photo and video content.

Your banking emails are fair game

But perhaps the most disturbing part of the new privacy policy is this - "Oath may analyze user content around certain interactions with financial institutions." This means they can scan email content and communications from your bank and credit card company, for example, and use the data for their purposes.

Oath says that this enables the company to build features that interact with such institutions but lo and behold, it also allows them to send targeted ads via the data mined from these emails. Who knows what else will they do with your banking data?

Want to sue Oath for privacy violations? Well, good luck with that

Another interesting section is a mutual arbitration clause that waives your right to a class action lawsuit. This is a big change for Yahoo customers in particular since these waivers were not part of its old privacy policy.

So if you have issues with how the company is using your data and you have concerns about your privacy, this clause indicates that it will be difficult to sue them. You agreed with its new privacy terms in the first place, right?

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: fahrwud@yahoo..com [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 5, 2018 12:48 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Some things I've noticed and have experienced with the latest Yahoo shenanigans:

- Some groups.io lists apparently see their emails to members being diverted to the individual members' spam folders. The Atlas/Craftsman lathe group noted this in their intro recently.

- If you receive your list emails on a non-Yahoo address and then reply from that address, the email gets rejected.

- What I did when signing up for groups.io was use a Gmail address. If you use a non-Yahoo address for groups.io, there seems to be no problem with the spam diversions, or your list owner getting an automatic spam complaint courtesy of Yahoo/Oath/Curse/PITA....whatever it has become now.

- In short, if you use a Yahoo email for groups.io, expect annoyance.

- Set your Yahoo mail preferences to forward to your non-Yahoo email, at least until Yahoo groups 9; last breath.

- Ditching Yahoo for groups.io seems to be a good option.

Dave W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80681	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/6/2018
Subject: Re: What has happened to S-trains? >>OATH

I belong to two Facebook S groups as well as this group and S Scale. I also run the GilbertHOtrains group, which was moved to groups.io and is running nicely. I do think this group is worth the trouble and I actually find it easier to use than the Facebook groups. With Facebook, I get notices every time anyone comments on anything and to see what they are talking about, I have to go to Facebook. Links usually take me to one post only. There are several links in each message and they don't clearly say where they will take you. One of them takes you to the posters Facebook page, which is of limited value at best.

What troubles me about S-trains is the silence of the owner and moderators. We have two S-trains groups now, one here and one on groups.io. There are 1800 members here and less than 100 on groups.io, probably only those who signed up on their own. Since the groups.io group was apparently the result of an aborted transfer, I assume the same moderators run both groups. Do they plan to run two groups or is one of them an orphan? Which one? -- or are we waiting for Oath to decide? Are they going to try another transfer, this time keeping photo size within the free account limits or are they culling out photos to prepare for another transfer. I have tried to contact them with my questions, but no response. An email from the Yahoo groups site to the owner was rejected.

Moderators: Please at least try to answer these questions.

Thanks,

Dale Smith

On 5/5/2018 7:24 PM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] wrote:

How do we go about getting off tjis list now. S trains is obviously not worth all this trouble. I'll stick with my Face book groups until something better comes along.Chris Burger. Cbtrainnut

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains]

<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

For the umpteenth time, it's not Yahoo it is now Oath. And Verizon bought several e-mail providers in addition to those who were on the Yahoo mail portal but didn't advertise the connection (like ATT and the baby Bells). AS a groups.io list owner I have seen a variety of e-mail providers demand list member be unsubscribed because they determined a groups.io message was spam. Even gmail users. Last weekend OATH demanded I sign the Oath Loyalty and Submission pledge in order to access my AOL e-mail (There was no advance warning, I had no choice) The week before Oath wanted the same pledge for list on YahooGroups, I declined; so I expect future problems. YG Ignored users, Oath is going to punish slackards who do not show them true love and devotion..

When you accept the Oath pledge (which includes YG lists) understand:

All your photo and video data belong to OATH

The new privacy policy also explicitly states that Oath collects your photos and videos identifying "EXIF" data.

Translation? Well, aside from snooping on your photos and videos, Oath has the right to collect their location, date and time data, camera settings used and even scan them for image and facial recognition.

You can turn off your camera's EXIF and metadata features, of course, but this won't stop Oath from scanning and analyzing your photo and video content.

Your banking emails are fair game

But perhaps the most disturbing part of the new privacy policy is this - "Oath may analyze user content around certain interactions with financial institutions." This means they can scan email content and communications from your bank and credit card company, for example, and use the data for their purposes.

Oath says that this enables the company to build features that interact with such institutions but lo and behold, it also allows them to send targeted ads via the data mined from these emails. Who knows what else will they do with your banking data?

Want to sue Oath for privacy violations? Well, good luck with that

Another interesting section is a mutual arbitration clause that waives your right to a class action lawsuit. This is a big change for Yahoo customers in particular since these waivers were not part of its old privacy policy.

So if you have issues with how the company is using your data and you have concerns about your privacy, this clause indicates that it will be difficult to sue them. You agreed with its new privacy terms in the first place, right?

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: fahrwud@yahoo..com [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 5, 2018 12:48 pm
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What has happened to S-trains?

Some things I've noticed and have experienced with the latest Yahoo shenanigans:

- Some groups.io lists apparently see their emails to members being diverted to the individual members' spam folders. The Atlas/Craftsman lathe group noted this in their intro recently.

- If you receive your list emails on a non-Yahoo address and then reply from that address, the email gets rejected.

- What I did when signing up for groups.io was use a Gmail address. If you use a non-Yahoo address for groups.io, there seems to be no problem with the spam diversions, or your list owner getting an automatic spam complaint courtesy of Yahoo/Oath/Curse/PITA....whatever it has become now.

- In short, if you use a Yahoo email for groups.io, expect annoyance.

- Set your Yahoo mail preferences to forward to your non-Yahoo email, at least until Yahoo groups 9; last breath.

- Ditching Yahoo for groups.io seems to be a good option.

Dave W

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80682	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/6/2018
Subject: S-Trains Lives!

Actually, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED TO S-TRAINS! It's still here and still works about as well as it did under Yahoo (which was never really great after their big Labor Day weekend changes a few years ago.) If you come to the Group to communicate both ways, it works "okay." For whatever reason, it doesn't work as well if you get posts or doing posting on e-mail. But S Trains is still "here."

The problem is that ownership of Yahoo changed! And THAT is a story in itself. There are those who suggest that changes in various Internet operations are possibly for rather ugly reasons. Well, DUH! Does anyone really believe that major industrial powers SPEND money just for the Hell of it? Of course there are ulterior motives to buy a competitor out! Usually you buy up the competition either to control what they have, or to put them out of business, OR BOTH! And today there are often "political" reasons which I won't go into here.

S Trains is still alive. It lives on BOTH Yahoo Groups AND groups.io. If anything has gone away it is regular discussion of what it is supposed to talk about: TRAINS. Of course this could be because we have been "side tracked" by an ugly Winter and crummy Spring, national and international events blown up on the News, or following the day to day stupidity of nobody entertainment "stars" on social media. Or maybe it's just because all our electronics are distracting us from what is REALLY important in life?

Usually, those of us in the Midwest have been hearing about various train shows, and that usually includes the Spring S Spree, this year being held by the Dayton, Ohio club on May 11 and 12. But all the controversy and distractions seem to have completely blotted out model railroading or just "playing with trains."

I'll be at the Spree playing with my trains on my latest display layout, and generally putting a troubled planet on hold for a couple of days of excellent stress relieving activity! (And I need to check out the many vendors for more good "finds.") Anyone else need some "escape?"

Stumpy Stone in Ohio ...see you at the Spree!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80683	From: poniaj	Date: 5/6/2018
Subject: Re: S-Trains Lives!

Stumpy, et al.,

I cannot attend this Spring Spree due to my having to "work" at my part time job at Greenfield Village in Dearborn, Michigan driving either the Model Ts or the 1931 Model AA bus for a Thomas weekend there. Being an Old Car Guy it's a difficult choice to make, but I don't want to let my supervisor and fellow drivers down. Besides, seeing all those little railroaders with big smiles on their faces is worth it. So be sure and enjoy yourselves, and stop by the Southeastern S Guagers display layout (among others there) and say hi to the guys manning it.

BTW, I seriously doubt many folks on this list care a whit about the Kardashians (I'm not even sure how to spell it) or other so-called stars of social media or what's referred to as reality TV. So enjoy your escape (I drive a Focus...

)

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI

---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote :

Stumpy Stone in Ohio ...see you at the Spree!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80684	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/6/2018
Subject: Re: S-Trains Lives!

With all due respect, something definitely has happened. We now have
two groups, one here on Yahoo and one on Groups.io. Are we going to
continue that way as long as OATH runs Yahoo groups? Is anything
planned to consolidate the groups? Do we send messages on both groups
at the risk of sending everyone duplicate messages if they are on both
groups? Where did those people on the groups.io group come from? Did
they just sign up like I did? Moderators please consider these questions
and give us some answers, or at least let us know what you plan for the
group.

Dale Smith

On 5/6/2018 4:46 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:
> NOTHING HAS HAPPENED TO S-TRAINS!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80685	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/6/2018
Subject: EXHAUSTED FROM THE ENDLESS DEBATE

EXHAUSTED FROM THE ENDLESS DEBATE

For quite some time now, the great majority of messages on this group have involved complaints about Yahoo (and yes, it is still called Yahoo) or the debate over whether Yahoo groups or Io_groups or Facebook should be hosting S-trains . Who gives a rat’s posterior? If you don’t like one of them, quit and move to another or start your own group. Eventually, this will sort itself out. I joined this group to hear about S-gauge trains, not to read rants about the lack of service of an internet hosting service.

PLEASE, let’s get back to the subject of this group which, in case anyone has forgotten, is S-Gauge!

Jerry F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80686	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/6/2018
Subject: Re: AF 759 Danger Bell and 761 Crossing Guard

The response to my little circuit to improve the realism of the danger
bell has been overwhelming!

I've spent the last week trying to learn the https://easyeda.com/
website to design and order pc boards at reasonable prices.

My latest iteration of the board is now designed and I will order 10
from them next week. It looks like they are a Chinese company so it
takes a couple of weeks to get the circuit boards.

Version 2 includes another triac and optoisolater to operate the
crossing gates like the 600 and 25601 as well So basically when a train
passes over a 696 track trip, the bells ding, the lights flash and the
crossing arms come down.

I suspect the total cost to assemble one of these will be $25 or maybe a
little less. I'm going to order 10 boards initially and as I only need
3, the remainder will be available to the group. I will also make the
design public so anyone can download the files and order the boards
directly although I suspect there is a minimum quantity.

All of the parts are available from various eBay suppliers so I will
compile a list of where I got them.

I have a couple of other projects completed including a modification of
the rotating beacon tower using a tiny Arduino and LED's. It starts
immediately and does not suffer from the melted beacon syndrome if the
beacon falls off the bulb.

I also have a modification for the lighted cars that uses a few cheap
components and LED's and solves the flickering issue if there are dirty
sections in the track.

I teach computer science at the local community college and the next two
weeks are finals and grade submission so it will probably be the end of
May before I can follow up on progress with these projects.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80687	From: racin510	Date: 5/6/2018
Subject: Re: S-Trains Lives!

Perhaps there's less talk because our trains are running so well! Train-wise, anyone interested in owning a perfect Frisco #4501 Northern can contact me.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80688	From: attic02	Date: 5/7/2018
Subject: Re: S-Trains Lives!

Why are you selling the Frisco 4501? Thanks Ron Petersen

Sent from Samsung Mobile

-------- Original message --------

From: "racin510@... [S-Trains]"

Date:05/06/2018 10:53 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Trains Lives!

Perhaps there's less talk because our trains are running so well! Train-wise, anyone interested in owning a perfect Frisco #4501 Northern can contact me.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80689	From: rick gough	Date: 5/7/2018
Subject: Re: S-Trains Lives!

My plan was to rebody the Frisco chassis as a Greyhound from the circa 1999 reissue of the Northern. I would prefer ideally to leave the Frisco whole and with another happy care taker, which would require me finding and purchasing another chassis from the second reissue with Flyer Chief with a shell that was already previously issued and not so desirable as the Frisco from the second reissue. I have all the perfect old stock Greyhound parts now and to me this is the ultimate Northern with the simplified modern electronics added. Nothing against the Frisco at all; still the best of the second reissue in my book.

Rick

rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing

On Monday, May 7, 2018, 4:13:19 AM PDT, attic02 attic02@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Why are you selling the Frisco 4501? Thanks Ron Petersen

Sent from Samsung Mobile

-------- Original message --------

From: "racin510@... [S-Trains]"

Date:05/06/2018 10:53 PM (GMT-06:00)

To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Trains Lives!

Perhaps there's less talk because our trains are running so well! Train-wise, anyone interested in owning a perfect Frisco #4501 Northern can contact me.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80690	From: acgtx1	Date: 5/9/2018
Subject: Flyer 596 Water Tank

Hi There

I just acquired one of these and it needs work. Unfortunately, I could not find a parts list or breakdown in my Greenberg or K-Line manuals. Does anyone have a copy that you can send me or do you know where I can obtain?

Thanks Much!

Art Cooper

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80691	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 5/9/2018
Subject: Re: Flyer 596 Water Tank

Todd Metcalf from trains and more may have some parts

TRAINSANDMORE@...

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 7:51 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer 596 Water Tank

Hi There

Thanks Much!

Art Cooper

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80692	From: thecitrusbelt	Date: 5/13/2018
Subject: South Orange Co. Layout Tour: Have A Layout To Show?

I'm planning a South Orange County layout tour for next fall with possible dates being either September 22 or September 29 (both are Saturdays).

These dates fall between the Pacific Southwest Region Convention in San Diego (September 12-16) and the Central Coast Railroad Festival in San Luis Obispo (October 5-7).

If you have an operating model or garden railroad, live in the South Orange County area of Southern California and are interested in participating, please contact me OFF LIST at:

chiefbobbb@... [chiefbobbb AT verizon DOT net]

And if you have a railroad in San Luis Obispo or northern Santa Barbara Counties I am looking for railroads to add to the annual tour I organize for the Central Coast Railroad Festival as well.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Model Railroads of Southern California

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80693	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/13/2018
Subject: The Spring S Spree 2018

Well, this one was another gem! The Miami Valley S Gaugers did an excellent job of organizing and operating this event as usual, with plenty of vendors and nice layouts, and of course hundreds of great people to talk to. Several friends I know mostly from the Internet appeared and though time flew past to the point that I STILL didn't get to talk to everyone, we had a dandy time discussing all manor of subjects (one or two of which I will post later.) It is as much a social event for Cindy and I because due to her numerous health problems don't allow us to travel nearly as much as we used to.

The vendor room was full again and as usual I managed to bring more home than I took. (I have been unable to break this strange habit even though I often bring a few things to sell too!) Several items presented themselves at prices I could afford, and the various under the table junk boxes were all calling my name. ( I suspect a couple had "mental tentacles" that kept reaching for me. And they were eventually successful!)

There were couple of not so fun things this trip, though none at the Spree.

The trip down and back on the portion of I-70 from Columbus to Dayton was almost exclusively populated by crack addicts behind the wheel! Speeds were just above the posted limit were no problem, but the erratic nature of many drivers made this a rather harrowing run. I've traveled this route many times before going to Indianapolis and points West, but this is the first time I had to revert to my Stock Car driving days to survive!

We ate at Hooters near the motel Thursday evening and while the "natural scenery:" remains excellent, the food was "pedestrian" at best. For instance, the Curly Fries could have been bought at any Wal-Mart frozen food section and were about as tasty.

Otherwise this was another very worthwhile trip, and the Spree itself was great.

Stumpy Stone... almost in West Virginia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80694	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 5/13/2018
Subject: Re: The Spring S Spree 2018

Great seeing you Stumpy. Wish We had more time. But as usual very busy. Chris

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 6:50 PM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Well, this one was another gem! The Miami Valley S Gaugers did an excellent job of organizing and operating this event as usual, with plenty of vendors and nice layouts, and of course hundreds of great people to talk to. Several friends I know mostly from the Internet appeared and though time flew past to the point that I STILL didn't get to talk to everyone, we had a dandy time discussing all manor of subjects (one or two of which I will post later.) It is as much a social event for Cindy and I because due to her numerous health problems don't allow us to travel nearly as much as we used to.

The vendor room was full again and as usual I managed to bring more home than I took. (I have been unable to break this strange habit even though I often bring a few things to sell too!) Several items presented themselves at prices I could afford, and the various under the table junk boxes were all calling my name. ( I suspect a couple had "mental tentacles" that kept reaching for me. And they were eventually successful!)

There were couple of not so fun things this trip, though none at the Spree.

The trip down and back on the portion of I-70 from Columbus to Dayton was almost exclusively populated by crack addicts behind the wheel! Speeds were just above the posted limit were no problem, but the erratic nature of many drivers made this a rather harrowing run. I've traveled this route many times before going to Indianapolis and points West, but this is the first time I had to revert to my Stock Car driving days to survive!

We ate at Hooters near the motel Thursday evening and while the "natural scenery:" remains excellent, the food was "pedestrian" at best. For instance, the Curly Fries could have been bought at any Wal-Mart frozen food section and were about as tasty.

Otherwise this was another very worthwhile trip, and the Spree itself was great.

Stumpy Stone... almost in West Virginia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80695	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/13/2018
Subject: Re: The Spring S Spree 2018

----- Original Message -----
Quoth: mrstumpy@... -- [ Stumpy Stone ]

Well, this one was another gem!  The Miami Valley S Gaugers did an excellent job of organizing and operating this event as usual, with plenty of vendors and nice layouts, and of course hundreds of great people to talk to.. . . . . . . . .. . . . .

> > > > > > > > > >

Stumpy

(cc: everybody else)

I thought it was a good spree too, but I'm curious about one thing. Were you satisfied with the arrangement of the layouts in a separate room? We (SMSG) were just inside the layout room door and could be partly seen from the trading floor, but you were way back in the corner, Did you get the traffic your display merited?

tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80696	From: johntech	Date: 5/14/2018
Subject: Track spacing for a 2 track bridge

I am adding a 2 track bridge to my layout. What would be the width of the bridge needed to handle the 2 tracks?

I have been searching Google trying to find a consistent answer. I have also been looking for plans to build

and it looks like a Warren Truss bridge will handle the 2 foot span needed.

Thanks for any info!!

John Frankforther_,___

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80697	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 5/14/2018
Subject: Re: Track spacing for a 2 track bridge

Unless it has been changed, the usual spacing of parallel straight track is 13 feet between centers. That should apply to bridges as well to prevent sideswiping. You would also have to ensure that the bridge were wide enough to prevent trains from hitting any part of the bridge.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80698	From: Edward Davis	Date: 5/14/2018
Subject: Re: Track spacing for a 2 track bridge

I'm doing ok with 4 1/2 inches between outer edges of ties measuring across two tracks.. maybe a little close with some of the modern equipment but working fine for all American Flyer and ten foot scale width cars. add another 1/2" to 1" to that dimension for space for bridgework.. ed davis

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:52 AM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Unless it has been changed, the usual spacing of parallel straight track is 13 feet between centers. That should apply to bridges as well to prevent sideswiping. You would also have to ensure that the bridge were wide enough to prevent trains from hitting any part of the bridge.
Bob Lampe
Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80699	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 5/14/2018
Subject: Re: Track spacing for a 2 track bridge

From NMRA Standard S-7 “Clearances”, for modern dimensions, the distance is 108 inches from the centerline of the rail to the side of the car or 1-22/32 or in real life 9 feet. Track centers are 14’-8” or 2.75, but for mainline it is 15’ or 2.8125” in scale. So the width of the bridge would be 9’ +15’ +9’ = 33 feet or 6.1875”

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 3:25 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Track spacing for a 2 track bridge

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:52 AM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Unless it has been changed, the usual spacing of parallel straight track is 13 feet between centers. That should apply to bridges as well to prevent sideswiping. You would also have to ensure that the bridge were wide enough to prevent trains from hitting any part of the bridge.
Bob Lampe
Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80700	From: johntech	Date: 5/14/2018
Subject: Re: Track spacing for a 2 track bridge

Thanks everyone for you input.

I think I’ll go a little wider and call it 6.5 inches. That will give me 1 inch on either side and 1 inch in between the cars.

Thanks again.

John Frankforther

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 7:46 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Track spacing for a 2 track bridge

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:52 AM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Unless it has been changed, the usual spacing of parallel straight track is 13 feet between centers. That should apply to bridges as well to prevent sideswiping. You would also have to ensure that the bridge were wide enough to prevent trains from hitting any part of the bridge.
Bob Lampe
Kalispell,MT

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80701	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 5/15/2018
Subject: S-'n-S Trains closure

SnS will be closing for the Summer effective May 22nd. No work work can be accepted after May 18th and until August 10th. Please don't send anything that would arrive after the 19th.

Thanks,

Steve Blackburn

SnS Trains

3239 N Pepperwood Dr.

Boise, Idaho 83704

208-376-1159

snstrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80702	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/15/2018
Subject: Re: S-'n-S Trains closure

I will tag onto Steve’s announcement and note that Port Lines has already stopped accepting repair work for the summer , as posted on my website. Neither I nor any of my repairmen want to spend our summer at the repair bench.

We will not be closed, as will SnS, so your orders will continue to be filled, but no repair work other than our current backlog will be addressed.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www..portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

<<< SnS will be closing for the Summer effective May 22nd. No work can be accepted after May 18th and until August 10th. Please don't send anything that would arrive after the 19th.

Thanks,

Steve Blackburn

SnS Trains

3239 N Pepperwood Dr.

Boise, Idaho 83704

208-376-1159

snstrains.com

>>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80703	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 5/15/2018
Subject: SHS Rarity?

I picked up something at the S Spree last week that I don't seem able to fully identify.

It is an SHS Armour yellor flatcar with red UP lettering (I think SHS made only the BCR with yellow lettering for flats) and

an Ertl excavator load. The label says "1998 NASG freight car/stnadard UP 53'6" flatcar with excavator/ Exclusive run of

300 cars."

I probably won't keep it, as it seems intended more for the collector market, and I am not a collector (at least not intentionally),

so I can only speculate about its value either as swap goods or outright selling it.

Jace Kahn

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80704	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 5/16/2018
Subject: Re: SHS Rarity?

Jace not sure how many were made. But, it was made to play with. Run it. Hop[e you enjoyed the spree. My wife and I did the tree clinic and we were selling trees. We may have met and didnt realize it. Chris. Cbtrainnut

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:25 PM, JGG KahnSr jacekahn@... [S-Trains]
<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I picked up something at the S Spree last week that I don't seem able to fully identify.

It is an SHS Armour yellor flatcar with red UP lettering (I think SHS made only the BCR with yellow lettering for flats) and

an Ertl excavator load. The label says "1998 NASG freight car/stnadard UP 53'6" flatcar with excavator/ Exclusive run of

300 cars."

I probably won't keep it, as it seems intended more for the collector market, and I am not a collector (at least not intentionally),

so I can only speculate about its value either as swap goods or outright selling it.

Jace Kahn

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80705	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 5/16/2018
Subject: Re: SHS Rarity?

I'm afraid I am not a Flyer type to operate such; probably someone else will enjoy that aspect of it more than I.

I saw the trees on the table against the wall but missed chatting with you.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS Rarity?

Jace not sure how many were made. But, it was made to play with. Run it. Hop[e you enjoyed the spree.. My wife and I did the tree clinic and we were selling trees. We may have met and didnt realize it. Chris. Cbtrainnut

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BDDF6BD

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:25 PM, JGG KahnSr jacekahn@... [S-Trains]

<S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I picked up something at the S Spree last week that I don't seem able to fully identify.

It is an SHS Armour yellor flatcar with red UP lettering (I think SHS made only the BCR with yellow lettering for flats) and

an Ertl excavator load. The label says "1998 NASG freight car/stnadard UP 53'6" flatcar with excavator/ Exclusive run of

300 cars."

I probably won't keep it, as it seems intended more for the collector market, and I am not a collector (at least not intentionally),

so I can only speculate about its value either as swap goods or outright selling it.

Jace Kahn

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80706	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 5/16/2018
Subject: River Raisin UP Gas Turbine for Sale or Swap

Dan Navarre told me he had sold the two gas-turbines he'd acquired in an estate, so this may be the only one currently on the market; I'd like to sell it and get my money back out, so now $1700 and shipping. For serious UP modelers I'm offering an even better deal if you can use the Overland UP FEF 4-8-4: $2200 and shipping for both. For an even better deal, for $2300 I'll also throw in the Gold Coast UP CA-1 wood caboose.

RRM #1662.1 Three unit set, version #1 (scale) road #8, Ajin, produced 2001, original list $2749

Excellent condition, very little run time; I have track tested both power units and visually inspected

all three. No paperwork, but original box and packing.

Asking $2000 OBRO and shipping, trades for part or all considered.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80707	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 5/16/2018
Subject: Re: Overland UP FEF-3 4-8-4, Sellers Injectors for Sale or Swap, Pri

Now $650 and shipping OBRO; with RRM gas turbine, $2200 and shipping for both; both locomotives plus my Gold Coast UP CA-1 wood caboose,

$2300 and shipping, or $800 for 4-8-4 and caboose.

Strict mint, only locomotive unwrapped, tender and other items still in factory

packaging. I tested the locomotive with leads, so it has had no track-time.

Unpainted brass, original box and packing, instruction sheet and a set of what

may be MicroScale UP decals.

OMI-1721/S Ajin #5198

Looking for $750 and shipping, swaps for all or part consiered.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80708	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 5/19/2018
Subject: Survey of Cars Desired

All:

On the basis of the informal results I received on cars that you would like manufacturers to make, I grabbed 10 of the most common.. Would you mind taking the survey so the cars could be prioritized?

It is a free survey – I really appreciate the responses. Once I get results, I will let everyone know the results.

Scott

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80709	From: Sam & Peggy	Date: 5/19/2018
Subject: Re: Survey of Cars Desired

US Army caboose would be good.

Get Outlook for Android

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'D. Scott MacKenzie' kb0fhp@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 1:00:41 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Survey of Cars Desired

All:

On the basis of the informal results I received on cars that you would like manufacturers to make, I grabbed 10 of the most common.. Would you mind taking the survey so the cars could be prioritized?

It is a free survey – I really appreciate the responses. Once I get results, I will let everyone know the results.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BDDF6BD

Scott

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80710	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 5/20/2018
Subject: Train Eras

Thank you for responding – it is a big help. If you haven’t responded to the survey, please do. I may also add a comment section so people can also submit suggestions. With the responses on the survey a bit biased toward more modern operating, I may do a simple survey of what era people model. Might be an interesting conversation.

That said, I need to do some more research on cars people want. This can be used to either present to present companies to encourage them for new models, or encourage others to create/produce new cars. Let me do some thinking, and I might want to do a couple of additional surveys (if you don’t mind). Right now I have about 75 people responding – I am not sure how many are in the Scale or Flyer email groups.

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80711	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Survey of Cars Desired

On May 19, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Sam & Peggy boxcarsam@... [S-Trains] wrote:

US Army caboose would be good. I second this motion.

Get Outlook for Android

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'D. Scott MacKenzie' kb0fhp@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 1:00:41 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Survey of Cars Desired

All:

On the basis of the informal results I received on cars that you would like manufacturers to make, I grabbed 10 of the most common.. Would you mind taking the survey so the cars could be prioritized?

It is a free survey – I really appreciate the responses. Once I get results, I will let everyone know the results..

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BDDF6BD

Scott

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80712	From: henrykoshollek	Date: 5/21/2018
Subject: Re: Survey of Cars Desired -Short line logos please Engine a must in

For me in S-ga its not the cars so much its the constant roll out of the usual suspects of the big lines in engines I tire of . Folks can make great cars but not engines of the smaller "short lines " I'm referring too. For gods sake id like to see a few new local short lines power brought out . The field is wide open and who ever get there first with new power in small short line rr will be readilly sought after. Lets also get new reefers with Land O Lakes logos,John Deer and others with something I could afford.
Lines that come to mind are the feeder lines-Wisconsin +Southern,Iowa Interstate,North Shore Electrified, its made in HO + O-ga ,Wheeling and Lake Erie and others with better paint jobs than the big boys toys...
SO for now I for one still like the original AC Gilbert stuff and will keep running steam.and GP-7s and Baldwins untill new" local models" are brought out...................... HANK K- Stoughton WI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80713	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: New version of AF 759 crossing gate

This is my new video of the American Flyer Crossing Gate Control.

https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_referrer=watch&video_id=5p-5GDG8pxI

I got the new boards from easyeda.com / JLCPCD.com

The new board also controls a crossing gate from the same 696 track trip.

You can go to the following website to order boards if you wish. I'm
not going to be making the boards commercially but since I made the
project public, anyone including the usual vendors are welcome to make
it as a commercial product. https://easyeda.com/gwcohn/af-759-danger-bell

Since I only needed a few for my layout, there are some left over. I
will be building these up as completed and tested boards and if you are
interested, pm me at gwcohn@... and let me know. I will make the
leftovers available for $20 plus about $2 shipping first class mail,
shipping to the USA only.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80714	From: Al	Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: Track spacing for a 2 track bridge

Attachments :

My club, The Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club, has been using an American Flyer 2 rail bridge for 23 years and no accidents ever of side-swiping. Our tracks are 4.5 inches apart center-line of each.

See photo bottom center for bridge.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80715	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate

Hi George:
I tried the site and it said that no videos were found (after asking me to sign in, which I did). Was there an error or was the video removed?
regards,
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 5/22/2018 10:32 PM, George Cohn gwcohn@... [S-Trains] wrote:

This is my new video of the American Flyer Crossing Gate Control.

https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_referrer=watch&video_id=5p-5GDG8pxI

I got the new boards from easyeda.com / JLCPCD.com

The new board also controls a crossing gate from the same 696 track trip.

You can go to the following website to order boards if you wish. I'm
not going to be making the boards commercially but since I made the
project public, anyone including the usual vendors are welcome to make
it as a commercial product. https://easyeda.com/gwcohn/af-759-danger-bell

Since I only needed a few for my layout, there are some left over. I
will be building these up as completed and tested boards and if you are
interested, pm me at gwcohn@... and let me know. I will make the
leftovers available for $20 plus about $2 shipping first class mail,
shipping to the USA only.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80716	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate

On 5/22/2018 2:16 PM, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] wrote:

> Hi George:
> I tried the site and it said that no videos were found (after asking me
> to sign in, which I did). Was there an error or was the video removed?
> regards,
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)
>

Sorry, I think it was the wrong link. Try this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p-5GDG8pxI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80717	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 5/22/2018
Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate

Rance,

Try this link instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p-5GDG8pxI

- Peter.

On 05/22/2018 4:16 pm, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains]
wrote:

>
> Hi George:
> I tried the site and it said that no videos were found (after asking
> me to sign in, which I did). Was there an error or was the video removed?
> regards,
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
My business site: http://fourthray.com/
*The* S-scale site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80718	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/23/2018
Subject: Re: New version of AF 759 crossing gate

Hi George:
Yes, that worked. Thanks. Any decision on whether a board is available for me?
thanks
Rance

On 5/23/2018 12:25 AM, Peter Vanvliet groups@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Rance,

Try this link instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p-5GDG8pxI

- Peter.

On 05/22/2018 4:16 pm, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains]
wrote:
>
> Hi George:
> I tried the site and it said that no videos were found (after asking
> me to sign in, which I did). Was there an error or was the video removed?
> regards,
> Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

--
Peter Vanvliet (peter@...)
Houston, Texas

My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/
My business site: http://fourthray.com/
*The* S-scale site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80719	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 5/26/2018
Subject: Roof Vents for PFE R30-16

Anyone have drawings of the roof vent details for a PFE R30-16? I appreciate the help.

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80720	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/26/2018
Subject: What is this?

This morning I suddenly lost the ability to post or reply to any messages on groups.io unless I agree to let them use cookies to gather my information. What's going on? I thought the reason to leave Yahoo Groups was to avoid all the crap by greedy and unethical Internet operators!

I'm not particularly computer literate but I know enough not to block cookies on my computer. Would one of our computer gurus explain what is going on and why?

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80721	From: Lee Brown	Date: 5/27/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?

I knew we were in trouble when Mark Zuckerberg had to put on a jacket and tie to explain his new policy

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Saturday, May 26, 2018, 6:48 PM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

This morning I suddenly lost the ability to post or reply to any messages on groups.io unless I agree to let them use cookies to gather my information. What's going on? I thought the reason to leave Yahoo Groups was to avoid all the crap by greedy and unethical Internet operators!

I'm not particularly computer literate but I know enough not to block cookies on my computer. Would one of our computer gurus explain what is going on and why?

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80722	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 5/27/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?

those notifications are on almost all websites now. Something to do with
new EU privacy regulations.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80723	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 5/27/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?

It is part of the GDPR. That is why on Friday, Facebook pulled all data from local Eu servers to US servers so it would not have to comply. That is why you are seeing all sorts of new privacy statements recently.

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 11:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What is this?

I knew we were in trouble when Mark Zuckerberg had to put on a jacket and tie to explain his new policy

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Saturday, May 26, 2018, 6:48 PM, mrstumpy@comcast..net [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

This morning I suddenly lost the ability to post or reply to any messages on groups.io unless I agree to let them use cookies to gather my information. What's going on? I thought the reason to leave Yahoo Groups was to avoid all the crap by greedy and unethical Internet operators!

I'm not particularly computer literate but I know enough not to block cookies on my computer. Would one of our computer gurus explain what is going on and why?

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80724	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 5/27/2018
Subject: Gilbert Erector Sets

I am looking for someone in this group that is into Gilbert Erector Sets, and has parts for my 1933 Set #7. I have a list of the parts I need if you have extra parts for sale. One group that I would like to get first is: 4 MB 18 ½” Angle Girders. If you are able to help me find the missing parts I can send you a want list.

Mike Leahy

1315 Lodge Ln.

Boulder, CO 80303

gmichael.leahy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80725	From: Roger Haag	Date: 5/27/2018
Subject: Re: Gilbert Erector Sets

Hello

I don’t know what set number but it is in a metal box if that eliminates it at all.

Can send pictures

Roger🙏👍🙏👍🙏

Sent from my iPhone

On May 27, 2018, at 4:12 PM, 'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I am looking for someone in this group that is into Gilbert Erector Sets, and has parts for my 1933 Set #7. I have a list of the parts I need if you have extra parts for sale. One group that I would like to get first is: 4 MB 18 ½” Angle Girders. If you are able to help me find the missing parts I can send you a want list.

Mike Leahy

1315 Lodge Ln.

Boulder, CO 80303

gmichael.leahy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80726	From: Lee Brown	Date: 5/28/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?

I think the rash of privacy statements has more to due to the fact that Mark doesn’t want to be held for people he sells data to It’s not his fault that someone smarter than him manipulated the data that he stole fair and square

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Sunday, May 27, 2018, 12:09 PM, 'D. Scott MacKenzie' kb0fhp@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

It is part of the GDPR. That is why on Friday, Facebook pulled all data from local Eu servers to US servers so it would not have to comply. That is why you are seeing all sorts of new privacy statements recently..

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 11:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What is this?

I knew we were in trouble when Mark Zuckerberg had to put on a jacket and tie to explain his new policy

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Saturday, May 26, 2018, 6:48 PM, mrstumpy@comcast..net [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

This morning I suddenly lost the ability to post or reply to any messages on groups.io unless I agree to let them use cookies to gather my information. What's going on? I thought the reason to leave Yahoo Groups was to avoid all the crap by greedy and unethical Internet operators!

I'm not particularly computer literate but I know enough not to block cookies on my computer. Would one of our computer gurus explain what is going on and why?

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80727	From: elist@ribbonrail.com	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: June/July 2018 The S Scale Resource Magazine is Ready

The new issue of The S Scale Resource is now on line. Free to read and download.

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Convert a Baldwin Switch Engine to a

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Thanks for reading and tell your friends!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80728	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

OK, since I’m on dial up, I can’t just “google” stuff to find out what it is, so WHAT is GPDR?? Folks nowadays throw around abbreviations like everyone should know what they are talking about!

thanks!

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80729	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

GPDR

The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (EU) 2016/679 is a regulation in EU law on data protection and privacy for all individuals within the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA). It also addresses the export of personal data outside the EU and EEA. The GDPR aims primarily to give control to citizens and residents over their personal data and to simplify the regulatory environment for international business by unifying the regulation within the EU.

Superseding the Data Protection Directive 95/46/EC, the regulation contains provisions and requirements pertaining to the processing of personally identifiable information of data subjects inside the European Union, and applies to all enterprises, regardless of location, that are doing business with the European Economic Area. Business processes that handle personal data must be built with data protection by design and by default, meaning that personal data must be stored using pseudonymisation or full anonymisation, and use the highest-possible privacy settings by default, so that the data is not available publicly without explicit consent, and cannot be used to identify a subject without additional information stored separately. No personal data may be processed unless it is done under a lawful basis specified by the regulation, or if the data controller or processor has received explicit, opt-in consent from the data's owner. The data owner has the right to revoke this permission at any time.

A processor of personal data must clearly disclose any data collection, declare the lawful basis and purpose for data processing, how long data is being retained, and if it is being shared with any third-parties or outside of the EU. Users have the right to request a portable copy of the data collected by a processor in a common format, and the right to have their data erased under certain circumstances. Public authorities, and businesses whose core activities centre around regular or systematic processing of personal data, are required to employ a data protection officer (DPO), who is responsible for managing compliance with the GDPR. Businesses must report any data breaches within 72 hours if they have an adverse effect on user privacy.

It was adopted on 14 April 2016, and after a two-year transition period, became enforceable on 25 May 2018.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2018 8:40 am
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

thanks!

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80730	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

Seriously - dial up? I thought they discontinued that 20 years ago. The EU General Data Protection Regulation is a new requirement for companies in Europe to protect, and let people opt out of data collection. Opposed to the US where the data is collected and monetized – and we have no recourse or options to opt out. I don’t think you have anything to worry about since you are dial up.

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 10:54 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

thanks!

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80731	From: n6ojj	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

David,

GPDR deals with an individual’s online privacy matters in the EU. To quote from their public information / education portal on this topic:

“After four years of preparation and debate the GDPR was finally approved by the EU Parliament on 14 April 2016. Enforcement date: 25 May 2018 - at which time those organizations in non-compliance may face heavy fines.

The EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) replaces the Data Protection Directive 95/46/EC and was designed to harmonize data privacy laws across Europe, to protect and empower all EU citizens data privacy and to reshape the way organizations across the region approach data privacy. The key articles of the GDPR, as well as information on its business impact, can be found throughout this site.”

If you have recently received email requests from the various businesses you deal with to review their privacy policies, GDPR is why. Should you desire to learn about this, stop in at your favorite library, coffee shop or internet cafe, then search on “gdpr” with your favorite browser. If such a visit is not likely in the near future, send me a private email at n 6 ojj ‘at’ arrl ‘dot’ net (perform the usual conversions and space reductions to make it work).

Back to more S Trains....

Cheers,

Dave McBrayer

Castro Valley, CA

Sent from my iPad

On May 29, 2018, at 07:53, 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

OK, since I’m on dial up, I can’t just “google” stuff to find out what it is, so WHAT is GPDR?? Folks nowadays throw around abbreviations like everyone should know what they are talking about!

thanks!

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80732	From: Lee Brown	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

Thank you for the information Ken. It will take a little time to work out the wrinkles but the USA will follow along shortly. Going to be lots of compliance jobs in the future. And people thought Hippa was hard

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 12:08 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

GPDR

The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (EU) 2016/679 is a regulation in EU law on data protection and privacy for all individuals within the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA). It also addresses the export of personal data outside the EU and EEA. The GDPR aims primarily to give control to citizens and residents over their personal data and to simplify the regulatory environment for international business by unifying the regulation within the EU.

Superseding the Data Protection Directive 95/46/EC, the regulation contains provisions and requirements pertaining to the processing of personally identifiable information of data subjects inside the European Union, and applies to all enterprises, regardless of location, that are doing business with the European Economic Area. Business processes that handle personal data must be built with data protection by design and by default, meaning that personal data must be stored using pseudonymisation or full anonymisation, and use the highest-possible privacy settings by default, so that the data is not available publicly without explicit consent, and cannot be used to identify a subject without additional information stored separately. No personal data may be processed unless it is done under a lawful basis specified by the regulation, or if the data controller or processor has received explicit, opt-in consent from the data's owner. The data owner has the right to revoke this permission at any time.

A processor of personal data must clearly disclose any data collection, declare the lawful basis and purpose for data processing, how long data is being retained, and if it is being shared with any third-parties or outside of the EU. Users have the right to request a portable copy of the data collected by a processor in a common format, and the right to have their data erased under certain circumstances. Public authorities, and businesses whose core activities centre around regular or systematic processing of personal data, are required to employ a data protection officer (DPO), who is responsible for managing compliance with the GDPR. Businesses must report any data breaches within 72 hours if they have an adverse effect on user privacy.

It was adopted on 14 April 2016, and after a two-year transition period, became enforceable on 25 May 2018..

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2018 8:40 am
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

OK, since I’m on dial up, I can’t just “google” stuff to find out what it is, so WHAT is GPDR?? Folks nowadays throw around abbreviations like everyone should know what they are talking about!

thanks!

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80733	From: Lee Brown	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

all those people that opt out of the system will be deleted and automatically sent to the dial up world.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 12:11 PM, 'D. Scott MacKenzie' kb0fhp@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Seriously - dial up? I thought they discontinued that 20 years ago. The EU General Data Protection Regulation is a new requirement for companies in Europe to protect, and let people opt out of data collection. Opposed to the US where the data is collected and monetized – and we have no recourse or options to opt out. I don’t think you have anything to worry about since you are dial up.

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 10:54 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

OK, since I’m on dial up, I can’t just “google” stuff to find out what it is, so WHAT is GPDR?? Folks nowadays throw around abbreviations like everyone should know what they are talking about!
thanks!
David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80734	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

On 5/29/2018 9:11 AM, 'D. Scott MacKenzie' kb0fhp@... [S-Trains]
wrote:

> Seriously - dial up? I thought they discontinued that 20 years ago.

I live in the second largest city in Arizona and believe it or not,
there are some outlying areas where even DSL is not available.

One of the college instructors I work with has a commercial account with
the cable company and he just set up a wireless link to a friends house
in one of these areas.

It was a 6.2 mile hop and with relatively inexpensive wireless point to
point devices, he was able to share a 20 MB connection with his friend,

Yes, there are still many rural areas in America where even DSL or cable
Internet connectivity are not available.

Satellite connectivity is available in most of these places but at about
$100 per month with capped data transfer limits.

Ask me sometime about the same instructors other friend who has a resort
in Death Valley California where there are no phone lines and even
electricity is a diesel generator. And not even any cell service!

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80735	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

I doubt the US will follow suit. Too much money to be made off monetizing people – look at Google, Facebook Amazon Netflix – The FANGS

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 1:29 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 12:08 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

GPDR
The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (EU) 2016/679 is a regulation in EU law on data protection and privacy for all individuals within the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA). It also addresses the export of personal data outside the EU and EEA. The GDPR aims primarily to give control to citizens and residents over their personal data and to simplify the regulatory environment for international business by unifying the regulation within the EU.

Superseding the Data Protection Directive 95/46/EC, the regulation contains provisions and requirements pertaining to the processing of personally identifiable information of data subjects inside the European Union, and applies to all enterprises, regardless of location, that are doing business with the European Economic Area. Business processes that handle personal data must be built with data protection by design and by default, meaning that personal data must be stored using pseudonymisation or full anonymisation, and use the highest-possible privacy settings by default, so that the data is not available publicly without explicit consent, and cannot be used to identify a subject without additional information stored separately. No personal data may be processed unless it is done under a lawful basis specified by the regulation, or if the data controller or processor has received explicit, opt-in consent from the data's owner. The data owner has the right to revoke this permission at any time.

A processor of personal data must clearly disclose any data collection, declare the lawful basis and purpose for data processing, how long data is being retained, and if it is being shared with any third-parties or outside of the EU. Users have the right to request a portable copy of the data collected by a processor in a common format, and the right to have their data erased under certain circumstances. Public authorities, and businesses whose core activities centre around regular or systematic processing of personal data, are required to employ a data protection officer (DPO), who is responsible for managing compliance with the GDPR. Businesses must report any data breaches within 72 hours if they have an adverse effect on user privacy.

It was adopted on 14 April 2016, and after a two-year transition period, became enforceable on 25 May 2018..

When you think outside the box,
You are out of the loop.
Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2018 8:40 am
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

OK, since I’m on dial up, I can’t just “google” stuff to find out what it is, so WHAT is GPDR?? Folks nowadays throw around abbreviations like everyone should know what they are talking about!
thanks!
David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80736	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

YahooGroups was big outside the US, unlike groups.io which is English centric and based in a British protectorate; many lists were on YG because their lists could be managed in their native language. How/If Oath/YG decides not to comply; that will forecast the future for YG lists. Groups.io is in compliance even though they are not in the 'foreign' market. Many YG list owners/moderators feel that what Oath/YG decides on GDPR will forecast the future of YG lists. The recently mandated Oath Pledge seems diametrically opposite of the GDPR.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'D. Scott MacKenzie' kb0fhp@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2018 12:20 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

I doubt the US will follow suit. Too much money to be made off monetizing people – look at Google, Facebook Amazon Netflix – The FANGS

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 12:08 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

GPDR

The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (EU) 2016/679 is a regulation in EU law on data protection and privacy for all individuals within the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA). It also addresses the export of personal data outside the EU and EEA.. The GDPR aims primarily to give control to citizens and residents over their personal data and to simplify the regulatory environment for international business by unifying the regulation within the EU.

Superseding the Data Protection Directive 95/46/EC, the regulation contains provisions and requirements pertaining to the processing of personally identifiable information of data subjects inside the European Union, and applies to all enterprises, regardless of location, that are doing business with the European Economic Area. Business processes that handle personal data must be built with data protection by design and by default, meaning that personal data must be stored using pseudonymisation or full anonymisation, and use the highest-possible privacy settings by default, so that the data is not available publicly without explicit consent, and cannot be used to identify a subject without additional information stored separately. No personal data may be processed unless it is done under a lawful basis specified by the regulation, or if the data controller or processor has received explicit, opt-in consent from the data's owner. The data owner has the right to revoke this permission at any time..

A processor of personal data must clearly disclose any data collection, declare the lawful basis and purpose for data processing, how long data is being retained, and if it is being shared with any third-parties or outside of the EU. Users have the right to request a portable copy of the data collected by a processor in a common format, and the right to have their data erased under certain circumstances. Public authorities, and businesses whose core activities centre around regular or systematic processing of personal data, are required to employ a data protection officer (DPO), who is responsible for managing compliance with the GDPR. Businesses must report any data breaches within 72 hours if they have an adverse effect on user privacy.

It was adopted on 14 April 2016, and after a two-year transition period, became enforceable on 25 May 2018..

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2018 8:40 am
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

OK, since I’m on dial up, I can’t just “google” stuff to find out what it is, so WHAT is GPDR?? Folks nowadays throw around abbreviations like everyone should know what they are talking about!

thanks!

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80737	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/29/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

I think you meant to write HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountancy Act).

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 10:29 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 12:08 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

GPDR
The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (EU) 2016/679 is a regulation in EU law on data protection and privacy for all individuals within the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA). It also addresses the export of personal data outside the EU and EEA. The GDPR aims primarily to give control to citizens and residents over their personal data and to simplify the regulatory environment for international business by unifying the regulation within the EU.

Superseding the Data Protection Directive 95/46/EC, the regulation contains provisions and requirements pertaining to the processing of personally identifiable information of data subjects inside the European Union, and applies to all enterprises, regardless of location, that are doing business with the European Economic Area. Business processes that handle personal data must be built with data protection by design and by default, meaning that personal data must be stored using pseudonymisation or full anonymisation, and use the highest-possible privacy settings by default, so that the data is not available publicly without explicit consent, and cannot be used to identify a subject without additional information stored separately. No personal data may be processed unless it is done under a lawful basis specified by the regulation, or if the data controller or processor has received explicit, opt-in consent from the data's owner. The data owner has the right to revoke this permission at any time.

A processor of personal data must clearly disclose any data collection, declare the lawful basis and purpose for data processing, how long data is being retained, and if it is being shared with any third-parties or outside of the EU. Users have the right to request a portable copy of the data collected by a processor in a common format, and the right to have their data erased under certain circumstances. Public authorities, and businesses whose core activities centre around regular or systematic processing of personal data, are required to employ a data protection officer (DPO), who is responsible for managing compliance with the GDPR. Businesses must report any data breaches within 72 hours if they have an adverse effect on user privacy.

It was adopted on 14 April 2016, and after a two-year transition period, became enforceable on 25 May 2018..

When you think outside the box,
You are out of the loop.
Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups...com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2018 8:40 am
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

OK, since I’m on dial up, I can’t just “google” stuff to find out what it is, so WHAT is GPDR?? Folks nowadays throw around abbreviations like everyone should know what they are talking about!
thanks!
David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80738	From: Lee Brown	Date: 5/30/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

Yes, thank you. Big fingers little keyboard

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 4:42 PM, 'Gerald Feldman' gfeldman2904@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I think you meant to write HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountancy Act).

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 10:29 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

Thank you for the information Ken. It will take a little time to work out the wrinkles but the USA will follow along shortly. Going to be lots of compliance jobs in the future. And people thought Hippa was hard

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 12:08 PM, Kenneth Clark kenrclark@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

GPDR
The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (EU) 2016/679 is a regulation in EU law on data protection and privacy for all individuals within the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA). It also addresses the export of personal data outside the EU and EEA. The GDPR aims primarily to give control to citizens and residents over their personal data and to simplify the regulatory environment for international business by unifying the regulation within the EU.

Superseding the Data Protection Directive 95/46/EC, the regulation contains provisions and requirements pertaining to the processing of personally identifiable information of data subjects inside the European Union, and applies to all enterprises, regardless of location, that are doing business with the European Economic Area. Business processes that handle personal data must be built with data protection by design and by default, meaning that personal data must be stored using pseudonymisation or full anonymisation, and use the highest-possible privacy settings by default, so that the data is not available publicly without explicit consent, and cannot be used to identify a subject without additional information stored separately. No personal data may be processed unless it is done under a lawful basis specified by the regulation, or if the data controller or processor has received explicit, opt-in consent from the data's owner. The data owner has the right to revoke this permission at any time.

A processor of personal data must clearly disclose any data collection, declare the lawful basis and purpose for data processing, how long data is being retained, and if it is being shared with any third-parties or outside of the EU. Users have the right to request a portable copy of the data collected by a processor in a common format, and the right to have their data erased under certain circumstances. Public authorities, and businesses whose core activities centre around regular or systematic processing of personal data, are required to employ a data protection officer (DPO), who is responsible for managing compliance with the GDPR. Businesses must report any data breaches within 72 hours if they have an adverse effect on user privacy.

It was adopted on 14 April 2016, and after a two-year transition period, became enforceable on 25 May 2018..

When you think outside the box,
You are out of the loop.
Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454
Chula Vista, CA 91921

-----Original Message-----
From: 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups...com>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2018 8:40 am
Subject: [S-Trains] RE: What is this?? Translation please!

OK, since I’m on dial up, I can’t just “google” stuff to find out what it is, so WHAT is GPDR?? Folks nowadays throw around abbreviations like everyone should know what they are talking about!
thanks!
David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80739	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/31/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!

Thanks Ken, very clear description of what it is. Edgads!!

David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80740	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/31/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

Many thanks for the detailed explanations, they were very helpful. Not only am I on dial-up, my connection is, on a good day at 33k, yes “k”! I’m not that far out of town, but I do live in a canyon, where there is no cell service, no cable, just a hard-wired phone line, an old one that frequently breaks down. I pay the same for my phone service as folks in town and get about 25% of the service they get. Satellite works here, somewhat, the trees interfere and when the weather is lousy, that interferes, and it’s about $100/mo with data caps. Lately I’ve been getting spam emails larger than 1MB, and that crashes my system until I can go downtown and use a wi-fi connection to delete them. AAUGH! (and block the sender, but they change IDs to thwart that, just like the spoof phone numbers they use on caller ID). Called the FCC to ask about the rural area internet program and was told, “California is NOT a rural area, sir.” Sounds like they’ve never been out of the east coast. Back when this forum started, dial-up was the norm, and we lived in town with 56K; life was good; but the technology has advanced light years since then.

A bit of IT history; Back in the late 1980s when the internet first started, it was communications between institutes of higher learning and some government research groups. Non-technical conversations weren’t done. However, being nerds, many were also railfans, and one of the first “allowed” “off-topic” communications was railway operations information, especially special trains movements. I used to check with the Chico State University print shop manager for the latest info. If I had a response, it had to go through his connection, and it had to be brief!

Interesting, I was on the leading edge of this back then, and now I’m on the trailing edge. . . .

Anyone remember using BASIC to do programming? I never advanced to C myself, although one of my first computers did use CPM, and I had one whose memory storage was a cassette tape deck. . . . and 128k memory!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80741	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/31/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

Hi Dave,

I not only remember USING BASIC, I remember teaching it to my 8^th-graders………….and to their parents during evening school classes !!!!

As I recall, we were on PET computers at that time……..a few steps up from Commodore-64 !!!!

BTW----Say HI to Steve for me, when he arrives there !

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
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Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 12:05 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

…………………………….

Interesting, I was on the leading edge of this back then, and now I’m on the trailing edge. . . .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80742	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/31/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

Yep – I also used BASIC from time to time. Of course, that was what one’s IBM computer booted into if one forgot to put in the OS floppy. OK. If you did put in the floppy, you could use the DOS batch commands. My favorite though, was writing Word Perfect for DOS macros. One could figure out how to do all of these by just reading the instruction manual. When Windows came along, all was lost.

At work, the “big” computer was at the university, which was some 15 miles away from the hospital. Programs and data were punched into paper type on an ASR-33 teletype and then send over the phone line to the campus using a 300 baud acoustic modem (the kind where the telephone handset was stuffed into foam cushions on the modem). Later in the day you got in your car and drove to the university to pick up the plots when the computer finished processing your files.

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

Interesting, I was on the leading edge of this back then, and now I’m on the trailing edge. . . .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80743	From: snstrains	Date: 5/31/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

David isn't exaggerating. I was at his house just day before yesterday and it is remote by anyone's standard. More like "in the boonies". No cell phone service at all. But he's safe as long as the "Krik" (city folk say creek)don't rise.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 5/31/2018 12:39:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Yep – I also used BASIC from time to time. Of course, that was what one’s IBM computer booted into if one forgot to put in the OS floppy. OK. If you did put in the floppy, you could use the DOS batch commands. My favorite though, was writing Word Perfect for DOS macros. One could figure out how to do all of these by just reading the instruction manual. When Windows came along, all was lost.

At work, the “big” computer was at the university, which was some 15 miles away from the hospital. Programs and data were punched into paper type on an ASR-33 teletype and then send over the phone line to the campus using a 300 baud acoustic modem (the kind where the telephone handset was stuffed into foam cushions on the modem). Later in the day you got in your car and drove to the university to pick up the plots when the computer finished processing your files.

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

Many thanks for the detailed explanations, they were very helpful. Not only am I on dial-up, my connection is, on a good day at 33k, yes “k”! I’m not that far out of town, but I do live in a canyon, where there is no cell service, no cable, just a hard-wired phone line, an old one that frequently breaks down. I pay the same for my phone service as folks in town and get about 25% of the service they get. Satellite works here, somewhat, the trees interfere and when the weather is lousy, that interferes, and it’s about $100/mo with data caps.. Lately I’ve been getting spam emails larger than 1MB, and that crashes my system until I can go downtown and use a wi-fi connection to delete them. AAUGH! (and block the sender, but they change IDs to thwart that, just like the spoof phone numbers they use on caller ID). Called the FCC to ask about the rural area internet program and was told, “California is NOT a rural area, sir.” Sounds like they’ve never been out of the east coast. Back when this forum started, dial-up was the norm, and we lived in town with 56K; life was good; but the technology has advanced light years since then.

A bit of IT history; Back in the late 1980s when the internet first started, it was communications between institutes of higher learning and some government research groups. Non-technical conversations weren’t done. However, being nerds, many were also railfans, and one of the first “allowed” “off-topic” communications was railway operations information, especially special trains movements. I used to check with the Chico State University print shop manager for the latest info. If I had a response, it had to go through his connection, and it had to be brief!

Interesting, I was on the leading edge of this back then, and now I’m on the trailing edge. . . .

Anyone remember using BASIC to do programming? I never advanced to C myself, although one of my first computers did use CPM, and I had one whose memory storage was a cassette tape deck. . . . and 128k memory!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80744	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/1/2018
Subject: Life in an IT void

Yes, Steve B. and Karen were here, visit was too short!

Jerry wrote:
”At work, the “big” computer was at the university, which was some 15 miles away from the hospital. Programs and data were punched into paper type on an ASR-33 teletype and then send over the phone line to the campus using a 300 baud acoustic modem (the kind where the telephone handset was stuffed into foam cushions on the modem). Later in the day you got in your car and drove to the university to pick up the plots when the computer finished processing your files.”

Oh, boy does that bring back memories. My first semester of college was at Immaculate Heart College in Hollywood—the campus is now the American Film Institute, the college is long gone The college “computer” was in a broom closet in the basement. It too, was a teletype unit with the foam cradle. Still, you saved programs on paper tape and the “mainframe” was somewhere downtown—the company “timeshared” it with the college as part of the educational support program. They sent some techs out one day as the two kids who would work past midnight on it had somehow remotely changed the firmware—and that wasn’t supposed to be possible! Today we’d call them hackers!

Folks would “steal” other folk’s homework programs, so I made one called “tryme” that was an endless loop that rang the teletype bell and typed “SUCKER!” then advanced the paper. You had to key in the stop order at just the right time. Heh Heh Heh! Nope, still don’t know if anyone did it. That was a small broom closet too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80745	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/1/2018
Subject: Re: Life in an IT void

You do bring up memories! Did dissertation reserch/calculations on an IBM 360 with paper punch tape - typewriter was an IBM electric with proportional spacing (4 for an m, 1 for an i, etc.). Make a mistake with that and you went slightly crazy fixing it by counting in reverse.

Train stuff: this was in Athens, Ohio where the B&O and other trains would go through with their whistle wailing; know where the Kingston trio (or whoever wrote the lyrics) got the words for 'fast freight', as well as Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson with their renditions of train songs. ----.
Hope all have a good weekend
Rance Velapoldi from across the pond (Tranby, Norway) where it is too hot!!! About three weeks of sun with temps around 75 - and one week with temps around 83! I didn't leave old hot, muggy Maryland to get this much heat:-) do need some rain, but not like ellicott city in MD.

On 6/1/2018 08:16 AM, 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Yes, Steve B. and Karen were here, visit was too short!

Jerry wrote:
”At work, the “big” computer was at the university, which was some 15 miles away from the hospital. Programs and data were punched into paper type on an ASR-33 teletype and then send over the phone line to the campus using a 300 baud acoustic modem (the kind where the telephone handset was stuffed into foam cushions on the modem). Later in the day you got in your car and drove to the university to pick up the plots when the computer finished processing your files.”

Oh, boy does that bring back memories. My first semester of college was at Immaculate Heart College in Hollywood—the campus is now the American Film Institute, the college is long gone The college “computer” was in a broom closet in the basement. It too, was a teletype unit with the foam cradle. Still, you saved programs on paper tape and the “mainframe” was somewhere downtown—the company “timeshared” it with the college as part of the educational support program. They sent some techs out one day as the two kids who would work past midnight on it had somehow remotely changed the firmware—and that wasn’t supposed to be possible! Today we’d call them hackers!

Folks would “steal” other folk’s homework programs, so I made one called “tryme” that was an endless loop that rang the teletype bell and typed “SUCKER!” then advanced the paper. You had to key in the stop order at just the right time. Heh Heh Heh! Nope, still don’t know if anyone did it. That was a small broom closet too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80746	From: Carey	Date: 6/1/2018
Subject: Re: Life in an IT void

Wow, we are all getting old. One of my first IT projects as an undergrad at MIT was 3 dimensional display of a jet engine compressor with pressure and temperature contour lines. All done in assembler language. Lots of fun and a great learning experience. We used a teletype machine and Mylar tape as our input and backup.

Train stuff: MIT had and I believe still has a very active model railroading club and layout. (un)Fortunately I didn't learn about them until after I graduated or I may have ended up with a different engineering degree ;-)

Carey Probst
Pennsyltucky RR
Chief MicroFerroEquinologist

On 6/1/2018 8:42 AM, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] wrote:

You do bring up memories! Did dissertation reserch/calculations on an IBM 360 with paper punch tape - typewriter was an IBM electric with proportional spacing (4 for an m, 1 for an i, etc.). Make a mistake with that and you went slightly crazy fixing it by counting in reverse.

Train stuff: this was in Athens, Ohio where the B&O and other trains would go through with their whistle wailing; know where the Kingston trio (or whoever wrote the lyrics) got the words for 'fast freight', as well as Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson with their renditions of train songs. ----.
Hope all have a good weekend
Rance Velapoldi from across the pond (Tranby, Norway) where it is too hot!!! About three weeks of sun with temps around 75 - and one week with temps around 83! I didn't leave old hot, muggy Maryland to get this much heat:-) do need some rain, but not like ellicott city in MD.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80747	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/1/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

It was years before I got to BASIC. That was really advanced! Started in machine language on the IBM 650 and wire plug boards on the 605 and printer. The 650 had NO memory; everything was on a rotating magnetic drum and you optimized performance by calculating how far the drum would rotate during the execution of each instruction.

Bob Graves

On May 31, 2018, at 6:04 PM, boss31@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

David isn't exaggerating. I was at his house just day before yesterday and it is remote by anyone's standard. More like "in the boonies". No cell phone service at all. But he's safe as long as the "Krik" (city folk say creek)don't rise.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 5/31/2018 12:39:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Yep – I also used BASIC from time to time. Of course, that was what one’s IBM computer booted into if one forgot to put in the OS floppy. OK. If you did put in the floppy, you could use the DOS batch commands. My favorite though, was writing Word Perfect for DOS macros. One could figure out how to do all of these by just reading the instruction manual. When Windows came along, all was lost.

At work, the “big” computer was at the university, which was some 15 miles away from the hospital. Programs and data were punched into paper type on an ASR-33 teletype and then send over the phone line to the campus using a 300 baud acoustic modem (the kind where the telephone handset was stuffed into foam cushions on the modem). Later in the day you got in your car and drove to the university to pick up the plots when the computer finished processing your files.

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

Many thanks for the detailed explanations, they were very helpful. Not only am I on dial-up, my connection is, on a good day at 33k, yes “k”! I’m not that far out of town, but I do live in a canyon, where there is no cell service, no cable, just a hard-wired phone line, an old one that frequently breaks down. I pay the same for my phone service as folks in town and get about 25% of the service they get. Satellite works here, somewhat, the trees interfere and when the weather is lousy, that interferes, and it’s about $100/mo with data caps.. Lately I’ve been getting spam emails larger than 1MB, and that crashes my system until I can go downtown and use a wi-fi connection to delete them. AAUGH! (and block the sender, but they change IDs to thwart that, just like the spoof phone numbers they use on caller ID). Called the FCC to ask about the rural area internet program and was told, “California is NOT a rural area, sir.” Sounds like they’ve never been out of the east coast. Back when this forum started, dial-up was the norm, and we lived in town with 56K; life was good; but the technology has advanced light years since then.

A bit of IT history; Back in the late 1980s when the internet first started, it was communications between institutes of higher learning and some government research groups. Non-technical conversations weren’t done. However, being nerds, many were also railfans, and one of the first “allowed” “off-topic” communications was railway operations information, especially special trains movements. I used to check with the Chico State University print shop manager for the latest info. If I had a response, it had to go through his connection, and it had to be brief!

Interesting, I was on the leading edge of this back then, and now I’m on the trailing edge. . . .

Anyone remember using BASIC to do programming? I never advanced to C myself, although one of my first computers did use CPM, and I had one whose memory storage was a cassette tape deck. . . . and 128k memory!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80748	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 6/1/2018
Subject: Re: Life in an IT void

Rance,

You bring back other memories … I did my undergrad work @ Ohio Univ. [ go Bobcats !! ] and spent much time watching the mighty B&O (Best and Only) travel through town along the Parkersburg - Cincinnati - St. Louis mainline; time that I probably should have been utilizing in the library !! I recall going to the depot in Athens to see the train [& crowds] that brought Barry Goldwater through southern Ohio on his whistle-stop campaign to win the Republican nomination … some of us are getting older too rapidly !!

“Happy railS to you …”

Ron Warner

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On 6/1/2018 08:16 AM, 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Yes, Steve B. and Karen were here, visit was too short!

Jerry wrote:
”At work, the “big” computer was at the university, which was some 15 miles away from the hospital. Programs and data were punched into paper type on an ASR-33 teletype and then send over the phone line to the campus using a 300 baud acoustic modem (the kind where the telephone handset was stuffed into foam cushions on the modem). Later in the day you got in your car and drove to the university to pick up the plots when the computer finished processing your files.”

Oh, boy does that bring back memories. My first semester of college was at Immaculate Heart College in Hollywood—the campus is now the American Film Institute, the college is long gone The college “computer” was in a broom closet in the basement. It too, was a teletype unit with the foam cradle. Still, you saved programs on paper tape and the “mainframe” was somewhere downtown—the company “timeshared” it with the college as part of the educational support program. They sent some techs out one day as the two kids who would work past midnight on it had somehow remotely changed the firmware—and that wasn’t supposed to be possible! Today we’d call them hackers!

Folks would “steal” other folk’s homework programs, so I made one called “tryme” that was an endless loop that rang the teletype bell and typed “SUCKER!” then advanced the paper. You had to key in the stop order at just the right time. Heh Heh Heh! Nope, still don’t know if anyone did it. That was a small broom closet too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80749	From: David	Date: 6/1/2018
Subject: Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

On 6/1/2018 10:28 AM, Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains] wrote:

It was years before I got to BASIC. That was really advanced! Started in machine language on the IBM 650 and wire plug boards on the 605 and printer. The 650 had NO memory; everything was on a rotating magnetic drum and you optimized performance by calculating how far the drum would rotate during the execution of each instruction.

You predate me Bob! I started with the 360 line, but I heard about the 650 from an old guy. Sorry I have no smiley face things.

While I leaned assemble on the mainframe, my productive work with BAL was with the System 7 and then the Series 1. Neither had an operating system or stand alone assembler or compiler when they first came out. We were pioneers, and look at us today!

Dave W. (Not the other Dave)

Bob Graves

On May 31, 2018, at 6:04 PM, boss31@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

David isn't exaggerating. I was at his house just day before yesterday and it is remote by anyone's standard. More like "in the boonies". No cell phone service at all. But he's safe as long as the "Krik" (city folk say creek)don't rise.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 5/31/2018 12:39:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Yep – I also used BASIC from time to time. Of course, that was what one’s IBM computer booted into if one forgot to put in the OS floppy. OK. If you did put in the floppy, you could use the DOS batch commands. My favorite though, was writing Word Perfect for DOS macros. One could figure out how to do all of these by just reading the instruction manual. When Windows came along, all was lost.

At work, the “big” computer was at the university, which was some 15 miles away from the hospital. Programs and data were punched into paper type on an ASR-33 teletype and then send over the phone line to the campus using a 300 baud acoustic modem (the kind where the telephone handset was stuffed into foam cushions on the modem). Later in the day you got in your car and drove to the university to pick up the plots when the computer finished processing your files.

Jerry F.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 9:05 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What is this?? Translation please!--IT life in a rural area

Many thanks for the detailed explanations, they were very helpful. Not only am I on dial-up, my connection is, on a good day at 33k, yes “k”! I’m not that far out of town, but I do live in a canyon, where there is no cell service, no cable, just a hard-wired phone line, an old one that frequently breaks down. I pay the same for my phone service as folks in town and get about 25% of the service they get. Satellite works here, somewhat, the trees interfere and when the weather is lousy, that interferes, and it’s about $100/mo with data caps.. Lately I’ve been getting spam emails larger than 1MB, and that crashes my system until I can go downtown and use a wi-fi connection to delete them. AAUGH! (and block the sender, but they change IDs to thwart that, just like the spoof phone numbers they use on caller ID). Called the FCC to ask about the rural area internet program and was told, “California is NOT a rural area, sir.” Sounds like they’ve never been out of the east coast. Back when this forum started, dial-up was the norm, and we lived in town with 56K; life was good; but the technology has advanced light years since then.

A bit of IT history; Back in the late 1980s when the internet first started, it was communications between institutes of higher learning and some government research groups. Non-technical conversations weren’t done. However, being nerds, many were also railfans, and one of the first “allowed” “off-topic” communications was railway operations information, especially special trains movements. I used to check with the Chico State University print shop manager for the latest info. If I had a response, it had to go through his connection, and it had to be brief!

Interesting, I was on the leading edge of this back then, and now I’m on the trailing edge. . . .

Anyone remember using BASIC to do programming? I never advanced to C myself, although one of my first computers did use CPM, and I had one whose memory storage was a cassette tape deck. . . . and 128k memory!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80750	From: snstrains	Date: 6/1/2018
Subject: Skunk Train

In our visit to David Dewey and the coast of Northern Calif. we had the pleasure to visit the famous Skunk Train. On May 30th we were at the Eastern end at Willits where the Loco is actually a motorcoach. They have the longest run of the line and a very hefty price to ride it.. Today (June 1st) we visited the Western end at Fort Bragg. It consists of a GP-9 pulling two heavyweight coaches and one gondola. It's ride is only 7 miles round trip, and a hefty price as well. Even had a chance to chat with the engineer of the GP. We satisfied our train lust by videotaping both. Oh well, it is California after all. Our car needs premium fuel and it is $4..18 cents a gallon hereabouts. The Redwoods are wonderful though.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 6/1/2018 7:59:01 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

You do bring up memories! Did dissertation reserch/calculations on an IBM 360 with paper punch tape - typewriter was an IBM electric with proportional spacing (4 for an m, 1 for an i, etc.). Make a mistake with that and you went slightly crazy fixing it by counting in reverse.

Train stuff: this was in Athens, Ohio where the B&O and other trains would go through with their whistle wailing; know where the Kingston trio (or whoever wrote the lyrics) got the words for 'fast freight', as well as Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson with their renditions of train songs. ----.
Hope all have a good weekend
Rance Velapoldi from across the pond (Tranby, Norway) where it is too hot!!! About three weeks of sun with temps around 75 - and one week with temps around 83! I didn't leave old hot, muggy Maryland to get this much heat:-) do need some rain, but not like ellicott city in MD.

On 6/1/2018 08:16 AM, 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Yes, Steve B. and Karen were here, visit was too short!

Jerry wrote:
”At work, the “big” computer was at the university, which was some 15 miles away from the hospital. Programs and data were punched into paper type on an ASR-33 teletype and then send over the phone line to the campus using a 300 baud acoustic modem (the kind where the telephone handset was stuffed into foam cushions on the modem). Later in the day you got in your car and drove to the university to pick up the plots when the computer finished processing your files.”

Oh, boy does that bring back memories. My first semester of college was at Immaculate Heart College in Hollywood—the campus is now the American Film Institute, the college is long gone The college “computer” was in a broom closet in the basement.. It too, was a teletype unit with the foam cradle. Still, you saved programs on paper tape and the “mainframe” was somewhere downtown—the company “timeshared” it with the college as part of the educational support program. They sent some techs out one day as the two kids who would work past midnight on it had somehow remotely changed the firmware—and that wasn’t supposed to be possible! Today we’d call them hackers!

Folks would “steal” other folk’s homework programs, so I made one called “tryme” that was an endless loop that rang the teletype bell and typed “SUCKER!” then advanced the paper. You had to key in the stop order at just the right time. Heh Heh Heh! Nope, still don’t know if anyone did it. That was a small broom closet too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80751	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 6/2/2018
Subject: Yahoo Groups Status update

For the last several months I've been a member of the GroupsManagersForum at YG, a list dedicated to keeping YG lists up and accessible.

For the last couple of months that group has been fairly quiet, anticipating a formal announcement from Oath

on the future of YG and the lists. Last month we did get a hint of future changes when we were forced to take the "Oath Pledge"

Today on GMF was posted this status update on 'help' or 'support' of YG lists.

No further help available for Groups

Thu May 31, 2018 11:49 am (PDT) . Posted by:

simonbaowow

It looks to me like the time of waiting to see if help from Verizon will ever come for Groups is now over. No Help Is Coming. And it looks to me like that is official.

In response to a usual request I made to Concierge Care for help with a Group that had all its Files disappear, I got this back from Concierge Care:

Please note that all services, including Yahoo Groups, are provided "as-is" pursuant to the Terms of Service https://policies.oath.com/, so we cannot guarantee that any particular part of the site will be functional 100% of the time. We do apologize for any frustration this may cause.

And this:

For any future help or support requests, please visit our Help Pages http://help.yahoo.com.

Someone forgot to add "Here's your hat, here's the door, what's your hurry? Don't call us, we'll call you."

As owners & mods probably know, there is precious little help at those Help Pages, and there is nothing at all pertaining to Groups. Just for fun, enter a search there at those Help Pages for the word Groups and just see what you get as results.

And there is no way to submit a "support request" there for anything pertaining to Groups.

Verizon seems to have installed Memory Hole 10.0, and Groups has just been dropped down into it.

If owners and mods choose NOT to find a new host elsewhere for their Groups (and all your Files, Photos Mssg Archives, etc), please be aware that you're using it "as-is" and that "as-is" since last autumn has meant persistent trouble for lots of Groups. Often, Big Ass Trouble. Now there will be not even a wee bit of help available. Over the past months, some temporary fixes could be asked for and obtained with restoring Files, Photos, Conversations, etc - and it seems that is no longer the case.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news - I met some rather nice owners and mods, forwarding help requests to the very responsive Marie at Concierce Care. Heads up, we're on our own and I've got neither help nor hope to offer. Best of luck with whatever decisions you *thoughtfully* and *carefully* arrive at.

-simon

FWIW - Simon has been very helpful in getting Verizon support for YG list technical issues for the last several months using Concierge Care; they may have been told to stop helping him.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80752	From: allscalerails	Date: 6/8/2018
Subject: All Scale Rails Issue #21 June 2018

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80753	From: Ingram-James4-YahooGrps-17701	Date: 6/8/2018
Subject: VIDEO: Susquehanna Flyerholics 2018 American Flyer Steam-Up 2-Day Te

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VIDEO: http://youtu.be/mC0HLGToX1M or http://vimeo.com/273262825

PHOTOS: http://drive.google.com/open?id=1EBsVbhV4bx4BeF7BocvbRBWZRIzIGCX6

* This video shows the Susquehanna Flyerholics 2018 Annual S-Gauge "Steam Up"..
* A "Steam Up" is a 2-day, Sat-Sun weekend event, where American Flyer fanatics set up a layout, operate it, and then tear it down -- all on the same weekend.

* The first minute of the video is photos, the 2nd minute is 4-7 second-long excerpts from the video clips, and the remaining 9 minutes is the full-length clips.

If you watch this video, please observe the amount of wiring they hook up for this temporary layout -- it boggles my mind that they do this all, just for only TWO DAYS.
* The "chief builders" of this layout were Mark Anderman and Dennis Oberholtzer.
* This video footage was provided courtesy of member Ken DiRocco; track plan photo by Mark Anderman.

- message posted by Jim Ingram

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80754	From: James Schiele	Date: 6/9/2018
Subject: S-Helper

Does anybody have any spare springs for S-Helper Trucks?

Thanks

Jim Schiele

TCA 83-19217

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80755	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/9/2018
Subject: Re: S-Helper truck springs

Jim-----I have some, but they are not marked and I don’t know if they are for the 50-ton or the 70-ton trucks.

<<<<Does anybody have any spare springs for S-Helper Trucks? Thanks Jim Schiele>>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80756	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 6/9/2018
Subject: Re: S-Helper truck springs

Doug and Jim:

Those springs disappear into the ether. I'd be interested in a quantity. Doug please contact me offline when you get a chance. romoyer1@...

Regards

Bob Moyer

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Jim-----I have some, but they are not marked and I don’t know if they are for the 50-ton or the 70-ton trucks.

<<<<Does anybody have any spare springs for S-Helper Trucks? Thanks Jim Schiele>>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80757	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 6/9/2018
Subject: Re: S-Helper truck springs

And there are Ace springs, and AM springs, and Northeastern springs, and the springs that came with my Steam Depot AAR trucks, in addition to

the SHS (and probably some others I am forgetting--such as the former Darnley trucks now available from Keith Wiseman). Almost all of them are

fairly similar but not quite identical.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Bob Moyer romoyer1@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 5:06 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S-Helper truck springs

Doug and Jim:

Those springs disappear into the ether. I'd be interested in a quantity. Doug please contact me offline when you get a chance. romoyer1@...

Regards

Bob Moyer

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Jim-----I have some, but they are not marked and I don’t know if they are for the 50-ton or the 70-ton trucks.

<<<<Does anybody have any spare springs for S-Helper Trucks? Thanks Jim Schiele>>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80758	From: Cliff Gertz	Date: 6/9/2018
Subject: Re: All aboard panel clips.

Do you have any of the All Aboard panel clips that hold the panels together and carry the accessories power?

Clifford

Cmgent_2000@...

On Jun 9, 2018 10:12 AM, "Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Jim-----I have some, but they are not marked and I don’t know if they are for the 50-ton or the 70-ton trucks.

<<<<Does anybody have any spare springs for S-Helper Trucks? Thanks Jim Schiele>>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@portlines.com
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80759	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/10/2018
Subject: Re: All aboard panel clips.

Yes….plenty. I have them made.

You’ll find them in our online AF PARTS catalog Inventory, under “ALL ABOARD SCENIC PANELS”

<<< Do you have any of the All Aboard panel clips that hold the panels together and carry the accessories power? Clifford >>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80760	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 6/10/2018
Subject: Re: Skunk Train

sounds like a great trip Steve

On Friday, June 1, 2018, 9:09:41 PM EDT, boss31@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 6/1/2018 7:59:01 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

You do bring up memories! Did dissertation reserch/calculations on an IBM 360 with paper punch tape - typewriter was an IBM electric with proportional spacing (4 for an m, 1 for an i, etc.). Make a mistake with that and you went slightly crazy fixing it by counting in reverse.

Train stuff: this was in Athens, Ohio where the B&O and other trains would go through with their whistle wailing; know where the Kingston trio (or whoever wrote the lyrics) got the words for 'fast freight', as well as Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson with their renditions of train songs. ----.
Hope all have a good weekend
Rance Velapoldi from across the pond (Tranby, Norway) where it is too hot!!! About three weeks of sun with temps around 75 - and one week with temps around 83! I didn't leave old hot, muggy Maryland to get this much heat:-) do need some rain, but not like ellicott city in MD.

On 6/1/2018 08:16 AM, 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Yes, Steve B. and Karen were here, visit was too short!

Jerry wrote:
”At work, the “big” computer was at the university, which was some 15 miles away from the hospital. Programs and data were punched into paper type on an ASR-33 teletype and then send over the phone line to the campus using a 300 baud acoustic modem (the kind where the telephone handset was stuffed into foam cushions on the modem). Later in the day you got in your car and drove to the university to pick up the plots when the computer finished processing your files.”

Oh, boy does that bring back memories. My first semester of college was at Immaculate Heart College in Hollywood—the campus is now the American Film Institute, the college is long gone The college “computer” was in a broom closet in the basement.. It too, was a teletype unit with the foam cradle. Still, you saved programs on paper tape and the “mainframe” was somewhere downtown—the company “timeshared” it with the college as part of the educational support program. They sent some techs out one day as the two kids who would work past midnight on it had somehow remotely changed the firmware—and that wasn’t supposed to be possible! Today we’d call them hackers!

Folks would “steal” other folk’s homework programs, so I made one called “tryme” that was an endless loop that rang the teletype bell and typed “SUCKER!” then advanced the paper. You had to key in the stop order at just the right time. Heh Heh Heh! Nope, still don’t know if anyone did it. That was a small broom closet too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80761	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/12/2018
Subject: Re: S-Helper truck springs

We have been encouraged to consider having SHS truck springs made.

I contacted Don Thompson about them, because I have a small number of at least two different size SHS truck springs here.

I will copy his reply below,……but it really complicates the idea of having them made.

<<< Does anybody have any spare springs for S-Helper Trucks? Thanks …..Jim S. >>>>>

<<<< Dear Doug,

Springs were a constant challenge and they would tweak them constantly. Each spring had a first time use project number then a M number, lastly a version number eg. 651m001R2 would be the 2nd version of the PS2 70 ton spring, although I am not sure M001 is the correct designation. We aimed to make all models conform to the NMRA weight RPs.. But they could weigh more, eg. The 2 bay PS2 & Flat car used the same 70 ton trucks & Springs but did not weigh the same. In hindsight each model should have had its own 70 or 50 ton spring.

………. we had at least 5 different models and several versions of each were different diameters as well as number of coils per inch. We insisted the first and last coil touch the next or previous coil. They told me they could have the end of the wire flattened too! They would change the number of coils, the more coils or thinner diameter of wire, the softer the spring. They would make the spring stiffer for the flat cars, the next run of 2 bay PS2s use the stiffer spring so they would not equalize the same as previous runs. It was so much fun....

Not sure this helps... Don >>>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80762	From: Douglas Miller	Date: 6/13/2018
Subject: Re: S-Helper truck springs

I have reversed engineered the truck springs for the specification and I use Lee Springs for large quantities.

Doug Miller

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We have been encouraged to consider having SHS truck springs made.

I contacted Don Thompson about them, because I have a small number of at least two different size SHS truck springs here.

I will copy his reply below,……but it really complicates the idea of having them made.

<<< Does anybody have any spare springs for S-Helper Trucks? Thanks …..Jim S. >>>>>

<<<< Dear Doug,

Springs were a constant challenge and they would tweak them constantly. Each spring had a first time use project number then a M number, lastly a version number eg. 651m001R2 would be the 2nd version of the PS2 70 ton spring, although I am not sure M001 is the correct designation. We aimed to make all models conform to the NMRA weight RPs.. But they could weigh more, eg. The 2 bay PS2 & Flat car used the same 70 ton trucks & Springs but did not weigh the same. In hindsight each model should have had its own 70 or 50 ton spring.

………. we had at least 5 different models and several versions of each were different diameters as well as number of coils per inch. We insisted the first and last coil touch the next or previous coil. They told me they could have the end of the wire flattened too! They would change the number of coils, the more coils or thinner diameter of wire, the softer the spring. They would make the spring stiffer for the flat cars, the next run of 2 bay PS2s use the stiffer spring so they would not equalize the same as previous runs. It was so much fun....

Not sure this helps... Don >>>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX- PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80763	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/13/2018
Subject: 759 Danger Bell Update

Apparently some people have ordered boards from the easyeda.com website
and constructed the crossing gate/759 controller.

I want to offer a few tips. First, before installing the IC's, install
the buck convertor and diode rectifiers. Then apply 16 VAC from the
transformer to the first and third pads from the left on the bottom.
Then hook up a voltmeter and adjust the buck convertor for 5 VDC.

The buck convertors come adjusted to maximum so skipping this step will
destroy the microprocessor chip.

The next question is how to separate the lights on the 759 so they flash
separately?

I did it the hard way by drilling out the rivets and making a new strap
out of single sided pc board and removing a strip of copper in the middle.

Then I removed the existing light wire from the fahnestock terminal
leaving the bell wire connected.

I added a second light wire and brought both wires out separately to the
control board. That leaves the base post fahnestock clip common to the
lights and bell and the other ungrounded fahnestock clip is just for the
bell.

A simpler way might be to just use a Dremel tool with a cut off wheel
and carefully slice through the middle of the existing strap and just
solder the wires to each half. Be careful not to slice through the
insulator strap between the metal strap and the light casting.

I haven't had time to finish the spares I had but I hope to get them
done this weekend and the people who have spoken for them will get an
update.

I did order ten more boards so if you are interested in just the board,
contact me off line and I will add you to the list. I want $2 for each
board and it would come in a first class envelope with some instructions.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80764	From: dockside98	Date: 6/14/2018
Subject: Hand Car Figure restoration

Group,

I have acquired 2 740 handcar figures that have be painted, what is the best way to remove paint from these (rubber ?) figures and are there paint available to repaint them in their original colors?

Thanks

Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80765	From: snstrains	Date: 6/14/2018
Subject: Re: Hand Car Figure restoration

Soak them in strong laundry soap and check periodically for flaking. When that occurs you can probably brush the rest off with an old stiff toothbrush. May take more than one soaking.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 6/14/2018 2:15:02 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Group,

I have acquired 2 740 handcar figures that have be painted, what is the best way to remove paint from these (rubber ?) figures and are there paint available to repaint them in their original colors?

Thanks

Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80766	From: Scott MacKenzie	Date: 6/14/2018
Subject: Re: Hand Car Figure restoration

And are there any replacement figures available?

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 16:15 edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Group,

I have acquired 2 740 handcar figures that have be painted, what is the best way to remove paint from these (rubber ?) figures and are there paint available to repaint them in their original colors?

Thanks

Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80767	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/14/2018
Subject: Re: Hand Car Figure restoration

We have replacements, but unpainted. You can choose your own colors.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80768	From: snstrains	Date: 6/14/2018
Subject: Re: Hand Car Figure restoration

Yes,

Check with Port Lines Hobby in Mass.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 6/14/2018 4:14:08 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

And are there any replacement figures available?

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 16:15 edsauers@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Group,

I have acquired 2 740 handcar figures that have be painted, what is the best way to remove paint from these (rubber ?) figures and are there paint available to repaint them in their original colors?

Thanks

Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80769	From: EdSauers	Date: 6/14/2018
Subject: Re: Hand Car Figure restoration

Doug,

OK, Thanks

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Sent: 6/14/2018 6:51:25 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hand Car Figure restoration

We have replacements, but unpainted. You can choose your own colors.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80770	From: EdSauers	Date: 6/14/2018
Subject: Re: Hand Car Figure restoration

Doug,

OK, thanks...I check you site and they are listed as unavailable. I will call tomorrow to order some if they are back in stock.

Thanks

Ed Sauers

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To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: 6/14/2018 6:51:25 PM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hand Car Figure restoration

We have replacements, but unpainted. You can choose your own colors.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80771	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/24/2018
Subject: Re: Is this group going to survive?

Does anyone know who the moderators of this group are?

Dale Smith

On 6/23/2018 3:52 PM, SP4149 wrote:

The transfer to this list was aborted because the image size hadn't been restricted and without that the list owners would have had to upgrade to premium status at $110/year. When S-Scale was transferred, the maximum image size was reduced to 1024 lines, resulting in saving almost 6 gigabytes and reducing image storage to under the 1 Gb for free limit. I have no idea why there has been no action since. If they reduced the maximum image size it likley could be done in a few days.

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com

On 2018-06-23 15:19, johntech wrote:

I have seen little to no activity on either group !!

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Subject: [S-Trains] Is this group going to survive?

Looks like folks haven't taken to the move from Yahoo to io groups. I haven't check Yahoo S-trains in many months. Perhaps all the activity remained there?

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80772	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/24/2018
Subject: Re: Is this Group going to survive?

I'm afraid in all the turmoil of recent months I have lost track of who is doing what here or at the groups.io site. However, to answer your actual title question here's my "take:"

YES, this group WILL survive, as a Yahoo Group or a groups.io group or somewhere else. I feel that S gaugers (not just collectors, scalers, or Hi-railers) will always need to communicate faster than magazines or snail mail, so there will be a need for rapid communication for some years to come. There may even be an e-mail network of S gaugers in the future, who knows?

But as long as there IS a model railroading hobby, there will be a need for rapid communication. What form it will take in the future is anyone's guess. After all, could we have foreseen the coming of home computers back when we were playing with our new American Flyer trains as kids?

Just my thinking...

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80773	From: Kenneth Clark	Date: 6/24/2018
Subject: Re: power supply

Tom,

I was doing a search of old S-trains messages and found yours. I don't know if I replied to this one but I did reply on a couple of other lists on the subject.

I have found portable (hand held) DC PWM (pulse width modulated) controllers for around $10 on eBay. The major difference with the dimmer switches

is that the motor controllers I found also have reversing switches built-in.

When you think outside the box,

You are out of the loop.

Kenneth R. Clark
P.O. Box 212454

Chula Vista, CA 91921

Hello,

Would this arrangement be okay? Is there a better way to approach this?

The power supply is 13.8 volts at 20 amps. I use DC can motors in my engines. My guess is each dimmer would need its own circuit breaker protection. What size breaker for S gauge trains?

Lots of questions, but I’ll leave it there for now…

Thanks,

Tom Stoltz

In Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80774	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 6/24/2018
Subject: Re: Is this Group going to survive?

I hate There are so many. A lot of them are near or over the 1K numbers and a couple over 2K. I know you hanger onners Like the Duck with Dial up don't like FB much, but it is the wave of the future. Easy to post, instant replies, photos galore say it again, but the new way is all the Face Book group Pages. I know of at least 10 AF groups out there, then you have groups like mine called S-Helper/MTH/American Modes and other 1/64th scale trains along with S Scale groups and Plasticvile groups. A lot of the Yahoo group guys are already there. Just my 2 cents worth. Chris B

On Sunday, June 24, 2018, 8:20:20 AM EDT, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm afraid in all the turmoil of recent months I have lost track of who is doing what here or at the groups.io site. However, to answer your actual title question here's my "take:"

Just my thinking...

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80775	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/24/2018
Subject: Re: Is this Group going to survive?

It may be the wave of the future, but only until something new and better comes along. I am not that fond of Facebook and actually the groups are the main reason I am on it. With Facebook, as with forums and websites the issue is that you have to make an effort to go on and go to what you want. That is fine as long as you are on Facebook all day or several times a day. I am not, but I check email several times a day and all my group mail goes to separate inboxes so it is just a click away. Facebook, as well as forums and mail lists really determine how your photos will be displayed. Unless you run your own website, like I do (americanflyerdisplays.org and gilbertho.org), you can't really control the presentation. Websites still have a place and are a lot more flexible in that regard.

Dale Smith

On 6/24/2018 11:14 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I hate There are so many. A lot of them are near or over the 1K numbers and a couple over 2K. I know you hanger onners Like the Duck with Dial up don't like FB much, but it is the wave of the future. Easy to post, instant replies, photos galore say it again, but the new way is all the Face Book group Pages. I know of at least 10 AF groups out there, then you have groups like mine called S-Helper/MTH/American Modes and other 1/64th scale trains along with S Scale groups and Plasticvile groups. A lot of the Yahoo group guys are already there. Just my 2 cents worth. Chris B

On Sunday, June 24, 2018, 8:20:20 AM EDT, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm afraid in all the turmoil of recent months I have lost track of who is doing what here or at the groups.io site. However, to answer your actual title question here's my "take:"

YES, this group WILL survive, as a Yahoo Group or a groups.io group or somewhere else. I feel that S gaugers (not just collectors, scalers, or Hi-railers) will always need to communicate faster than magazines or snail mail, so there will be a need for rapid communication for some years to come. There may even be an e-mail network of S gaugers in the future, who knows?

But as long as there IS a model railroading hobby, there will be a need for rapid communication. What form it will take in the future is anyone's guess. After all, could we have foreseen the coming of home computers back when we were playing with our new American Flyer trains as kids?

Just my thinking...

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80776	From: SP4149	Date: 6/29/2018
Subject: American Models S-Scale chrome plated Passenger Cars

I have acquired about ten of these cars, used in their original boxes. While not exact scale matches for the road names I received; they represent an upgrade in trucks and appearance from Flyer streamlined passenger cars. These cars appear to have spent some layout time and the cars have a weathered look. Some of it appears to be a 'hardwater' white coating. While it appears there may actually be corrosion of the chrome plating. Since most of the whitish coating disappears when I try to clean the surface with eyeglass cleaner; I suspect that overcoating with a clear finish may be sufficient. However I haven't seen Chrome corrosion on models before. I was thinking of using automotive chrome cleaners/restorer products before using a clear overcoat.

Thoughts?

ken clark

www.shastasprings.com

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80777	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 6/29/2018
Subject: SHS and MTH sound

I have four SHS F-3's, two A's and two B's all powered. To be honest I don't recall if they are sound equipped or not but if I recall correctly they are DCC ready regardless so that is no problem. I'll know for sure when I start repainting them. I also have three MTH F-3' all powered and proto sound 3.0 equipped. Other than the airhorn they sound great. Is it possible to swap the proto sound 3.0 with a commercial DCC sound decoder?

Bob Lampe

Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80778	From: Edward Davis	Date: 6/30/2018
Subject: Re: surplus for sale

I have a random lot of Gilbert AF cars for sale, all freight. Some AF originals most common, but others missing loads or whatever.

Also have in that group some surplus custom paint cars on AF bodies, various road names and car types.

Anyone out there also do Lionel tinplate? Have some Lionel stock for sale too, most repaint as the Flyer, some originals.. some car bodies blend nicely with S trains by changing trucks..

If anyone interested let me know which roads might interest you on the custom cars.

Maybe not collectible but a lot cheaper than new train prices these days. Ed Davis, Boise Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80779	From: barb	Date: 6/30/2018
Subject: Life of our group

Hi All,

I have not posted in a long time. However I do read the yahoo groups emails I get everyday. I would hate to see this group disappear as I have received much input from it in the past and as I get my layout repaired from the hurricane last Sept. I will continue to rely on y'all for assistance and your expertise.

So please don't let the group disappear. Thanks.... Barb Rudnicki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80780	From: Edward Davis	Date: 7/1/2018
Subject: Doug in Lewes DEL>

Well this is a chore but assuming you're in S will make a sketchy list and you can write me direct for further info. If you want any Lionel stuff from repaints or 50's originals, ..MPC.. let me know.

For now here is te AF will mention that most repaints gondolas and hoppers are likely missing one or more steps. Available with link trucks or knuckle coupler ones in most cases.. all hoppers are the common short ones, no 4 bay ones.

Custom Painted:Hopper: Black Erie, Gon: B&M blue; Box: DT&I yellow sides; Box: Rock Island dark green; Reefer: Armour, yellow sides; Box:C&O blue; Gon: Lehigh Valley black; Gon: Wabash Red, big letters; Hopper" Red SP&S; Covered grey hopper in Cotton Belt; Santa Fe box, later lettering , red; Box: New Haven, later letterng... black w/orange doors; ; Box: red,Northern Pacific BIG monad scheme.

Original Gilbert: 924 Cement hopper VG, grey; 662 METAL dome car streamlined passenger; 24219 Western MAryland hopper 2 steps. EXC; 24553 Flatcar missing rockets load otherwise nice; 24553 track cleaner car missing one sponge, deck acid burned about 50%, maybe of more value for the detail parts? GONS 24110 PRR, 24103 N&W; 639 box choice of medium or light yellow, not painted..color in plastic, roof walks chipped. 24225 Santa Fe hopper Pikemaster or Knuclkes, with ballast load..2 steps gone; 628 PLASTIC DECK log car, moderate warp not too bad, orig logs and straps.. ;

Hope the list isn't too hard to read..more details available incl. price if you're interested in anything.. thanx..getting late.. keep well. ed

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80781	From: race944t	Date: 7/1/2018
Subject: Re: Life of our group

Barb,

I am with you. I read the digest with enjoyment (most of the time) and hope the group continues.

Glad to hear progress is being made on the layout. We miss you up here.

"Banker" Bill

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80782	From: racin510	Date: 7/3/2018
Subject: Re: Life of our group

This group is too valuable not to continue.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80783	From: WAXEY	Date: 7/3/2018
Subject: Re: 759 Danger Bell Update

Hi George,

I have not received an update of the 759 Danger Bell. Am I still able to purchase one?

Thanks,

MIKE

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018, 4:58:23 PM EDT, George Cohn gwcohn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80784	From: snstrains	Date: 7/3/2018
Subject: Re: Life of our group

Yep

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 7/3/2018 1:29:14 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

This group is too valuable not to continue.

Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80785	From: njma41	Date: 7/4/2018
Subject: Re: Life of our group

Please Don't let this group disappear I really enjoy this. Nick I

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80786	From: JGG KahnSr	Date: 7/9/2018
Subject: Omnicon NYC L3A Mohawk for Sale

I like it a lot, but it is just too large for my concept.

Very good condition, checked it over and fixed anything that appeared to need fixing.

Runs very smoothly on my test track. Custom-painted by John N Pitts in 1996 for #3001,

MV lenses in headlight and backup light. Paint under cab apron and on trailing truck will

need touchup. Smoke lifters and pump shield casting never installed, in box.

$500 and shipping or can be picked up at Boxboro, trades for all or part considered.

Jace Kahn
General Manager
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80787	From: thecitrusbelt	Date: 7/9/2018
Subject: Central Coast RR Festival - Show Your Railroad

Do you have an operating model railroad? Why not share it with others? Read on.

The Central Coast Railroad Festival returns this year to California's San Luis Obispo and northern San Barbara Counties on October 5-7 (Friday-Sunday).

As in past years I will organize a tour of model railroads and garden railroads. Last year we had twenty-eight railroads on the tour.

If you have an operating railroad I would like you to consider participating in the tour.

Participating in a layout tour is a great way to share your work and meet your fellow model and garden railroaders. You’ve probably worked hard on your railroad so you might as well get some recognition from people who will appreciate your efforts.

We are only asking railroad owners to be open for four or more hours on one day. Additional days and hours are at the owner’s option, including "early bird" showings on Thursday, October 4. And we are asking owners in Santa Maria and areas south of Santa Maria to be open only on Sunday.

All you need to do is operate your trains. I will do all the planning and publicity, as I have done for fifty-six previously tours since 2006, including seven previous tours for the Central Coast Railroad Festival.

This will be a free, self-guided tour. No buses will be used.

If you have any questions before committing to the tour, please ask. In any event, please contact me OFF LIST in the next several weeks if you are interested so we can add your railroad to the tour. Once you have been added to the tour I will contact you in August to set your days and hours.

And if you know someone who has an operating railroad, please share this message with them.

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Model Railroads of Southern California

Layout Tour Coordinator-2018 Central Coast RR Festival

Hemet, CA

chiefbobbb@... [chiefbobbb AT verizon DOT net]

Festival Website: http://www.ccrrf.com/

++++

P.S.: I have been trusted to organize and manage layout tours for a number of organizations. These include:

2008 National Model Railroad Association National Convention

2008 Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society National Convention

26th Annual Sn3 Symposium

2013 National Narrow Gauge Convention

Central Coast Railroad Festival (7 Times)

Pacific Coast Region/NMRA

Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA (3 Times)

I am a life member of the NMRA and have served in a number of elected and volunteer position for Pacific Southwest Region/NMRA as well as heading the development of the NMRA on-line Model Railroad Directory Project.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80788	From: barb	Date: 7/9/2018
Subject: Life in an IT Void

I realize this response to the topic is a month old, but I am finally getting caught up on reading my S-Trains emails. But I just had to add a note.

I joined IBM in 1965 and my first computer assignment was learning assembly language and working in customer service to maintain the operating system of the 360. I still remember them fondly as "the good old days" even though more advanced languages followed.

The only way to see the world is on someone else's money. IBM sent me all over the planet to do operating system debugging and repairs.

Thanks for the memories.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80789	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 7/9/2018
Subject: "missing" grab-iron on ACG reefer

my most-recent phase in S high-rail modeling is kit bashing damaged American Flyer reefer shells into road names AC Gilbert never produced, and I keep meaning to ask the group this question: Did AC Gilbert ever 'correct' the missing roof-top ( A end ) grab-iron in 5-digit refer production ? It must have been an error by the designer of the original reefer mold ... as the box cars have roof-top grab-irons on both ends.

Ron Warner

Shallowater, Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80790	From: David	Date: 7/10/2018
Subject: Re: Life in an IT Void

On 7/9/2018 11:04 PM, barb rcespeak@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I realize this response to the topic is a month old, but I am finally getting caught up on reading my S-Trains emails. But I just had to add a note.

I joined IBM in 1965 and my first computer assignment was learning assembly language and working in customer service to maintain the operating system of the 360. I still remember them fondly as "the good old days" even though more advanced languages followed.

Last message was cut short - hit send by mistake. I too started with the 360, as a system test technician. I first worked with channels then the 360-65 CPU. We would patch in through the switches, enough machine code to put machine in a loop so we could scope our way around to troubleshoot. So my first language was machine. I picked up assembler language even though I remained a hardware guy until many years later. Where were you located.

The only way to see the world is on someone else's money. IBM sent me all over the planet to do operating system debugging and repairs.

So you were a field engineer, software support? when all else failed, they called you guys?
I too got lots of travel, and they didn't call it Ive Been Moved for nothing. I lived in Woodstock (worked in Kingston plant), Allentown PA, Atlanta, Bedford NH. I can't imagine what would have become of me if it were not for IBM. It was a wonderful company back then.

Thanks for the memories.... Barb

Thank you also, sorry to others for the off topic post, could not let this go by. Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80791	From: David	Date: 7/10/2018
Subject: Re: Life in an IT Void

On 7/9/2018 11:04 PM, barb rcespeak@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I realize this response to the topic is a month old, but I am finally getting caught up on reading my S-Trains emails. But I just had to add a note.

I joined IBM in 1965

I am confused now. You are in the s-trains group, and you joined IBM in 1965. I did as well, in Kingston, August of 1965! Small world.

and my first computer assignment was learning assembly language and working in customer service to maintain the operating system of the 360. I still remember them fondly as "the good old days" even though more advanced languages followed.

The only way to see the world is on someone else's money. IBM sent me all over the planet to do operating system debugging and repairs.

Thanks for the memories.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80792	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/10/2018
Subject: Re: Missing grab iron on ACG Reefers

Ron... I don't think so, but I'm no Gilbert expert. I have trolled a LOT of junk boxes and rebuilt and/or kit bashed a bunch of old American Flyer locos and cars over the years and noticed this item missing only by accident after several years of doing old AF because it is a relatively tiny missing detail.

At first I thought that most of these cars had been damaged from hard play by kids and only found out the grab iron on one end were not in the molds to start with from Flyer guys I met at train shows. Even today, most folks don't pay any attention to these missing grab irons or realize the cars are "flawed," and don't care. I have yet to have found any these cars with both roof grab irons. But as I said, I'm not an authority.

Collectors accept them as this is the way the cars were manufactured. Scale model railroaders don't get that far as they see the oversized wheels and couplers first. And I suspect most people never noticed this minor discrepancy of manufacture.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80793	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/11/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Sharing a room at the convention.

<< I’ve searched but couldn’t find this topic. Is there anyone willing to share a room in Boxboro?

>>

Just as a related piece of information, if you delayed booking a room at the convention hotel, you are probably too late now. Our understanding is that the hotel is now sold out for most of the nights of the convention. There are other hotels in the area, primarily about 10 miles further north on Rte 495.

The Trade Show hall is now sold out as well.

There is still some room left on most, but not all, of the convention tours.

It’s not too late to register online for the convention !

www.bsgr.us

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80794	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/12/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] convention roll call

My observations----

a) Although we have a decent convention registration number, it is not up to the numbers we experienced in 1998 or 2008, nor what we had anticipated for this year.

b) The number of “Family” add-on registrations (i.e, spouses, in most cases) is impressive…..almost 50% of the primary registrations. That is a good sign of something!

c) The percentage of attendees who are coming early in the week and staying through is also high. The hotel is now fully sold-out. (There are other area hotels, so it’s not too late to consider attending !)

d) There are a number of “regulars” that immediately come to my mind who apparently will not be attending, or have cancelled. In most cases, “health issues” are the explanations I have heard.

e) Our membership is aging----imagine that.. Although the organization may survive, I’m not so sure about conventions. I think this is something the leadership needs to be concerned about. It’s not just an aging membership that can’t handle the travel anymore----it’s also an aging membership that can’t undertake all the work of planning and hosting a national convention. Our planning began 4 years ago, with uncertainty of how many of our members would still be around at this point----and indeed, we did lose some key club members during that time! Most of us on this year’s committee don’t see our club being able to run another convention in 10 years, and I suspect that is true of many of the “S” clubs around the country.

f) We have found there are less and less hotel facilities in the region that are appropriate for our convention needs. Hotels today are either not at all oriented toward “conventions”, or they are aimed at organizations far larger than ours, pushing the costs out of reach. In planning for this year, our search four years ago really came down to only two potential hotels within a reasonable distance, size, and price range.

g) Perhaps the organization needs to focus more on smaller-scale regional gatherings, instead of a single large annual convention?

h) And I bet this situation is not unique to our scale !

But we certainly hope that all our attendees (from all over the country, plus Canada and England) will enjoy the week, and our club’s celebration of its 70th “birthday” !!!!

So we look forward to seeing you all !

<<< Sandie and I will be there. Unfortunately, future convention attendance might be limited.

Bill Winans

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Bill Lane <bill@...> wrote:

Soooo…… who is going? I have a good guess at the regular suspects. I am wondering about the occasional attendee or someone I have missed for a few years. Bill Lane
>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80795	From: Scubadoo22	Date: 7/12/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] convention roll call

Thanks for the reports Doug, sounds like it will be successful .

Doug K

Lewes, DE

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 12, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

My observations----

a) Although we have a decent convention registration number, it is not up to the numbers we experienced in 1998 or 2008, nor what we had anticipated for this year.

b) The number of “Family” add-on registrations (i.e, spouses, in most cases) is impressive…..almost 50% of the primary registrations. That is a good sign of something!

c) The percentage of attendees who are coming early in the week and staying through is also high. The hotel is now fully sold-out. (There are other area hotels, so it’s not too late to consider attending !)

d) There are a number of “regulars” that immediately come to my mind who apparently will not be attending, or have cancelled. In most cases, “health issues” are the explanations I have heard.

e) Our membership is aging----imagine that.. Although the organization may survive, I’m not so sure about conventions. I think this is something the leadership needs to be concerned about. It’s not just an aging membership that can’t handle the travel anymore----it’s also an aging membership that can’t undertake all the work of planning and hosting a national convention. Our planning began 4 years ago, with uncertainty of how many of our members would still be around at this point----and indeed, we did lose some key club members during that time! Most of us on this year’s committee don’t see our club being able to run another convention in 10 years, and I suspect that is true of many of the “S” clubs around the country.

f) We have found there are less and less hotel facilities in the region that are appropriate for our convention needs. Hotels today are either not at all oriented toward “conventions”, or they are aimed at organizations far larger than ours, pushing the costs out of reach. In planning for this year, our search four years ago really came down to only two potential hotels within a reasonable distance, size, and price range.

g) Perhaps the organization needs to focus more on smaller-scale regional gatherings, instead of a single large annual convention?

h) And I bet this situation is not unique to our scale !

But we certainly hope that all our attendees (from all over the country, plus Canada and England) will enjoy the week, and our club’s celebration of its 70th “birthday” !!!!

So we look forward to seeing you all !

<<< Sandie and I will be there. Unfortunately, future convention attendance might be limited.

Bill Winans

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Bill Lane <bill@...> wrote:

Soooo…… who is going? I have a good guess at the regular suspects. I am wondering about the occasional attendee or someone I have missed for a few years. Bill Lane
>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80796	From: tennsgauger	Date: 7/12/2018
Subject: [S-Scale] convention roll call - Wish I could attend - Personal note

I really wanted to attend this convention because the host group has a reputation for putting on great conventions and my wife and I would love a trip to New England. However, we have scheduling conflicts that cannot be overcome.

Let me take this opportunity for a personal note (totally off-topic) to my many S scale friends.

My scheduling conflicts involve a support role with two and possibly three book signings in Tennessee on the weekend of the NASG, for INDIANAPOLIS by best selling author Lynn Vincent and award-winning filmmaker Sara Vladic. I have no financial interest in the book but a strong personal interest because the book has several stories about my father, LTCD Earl Henry, who was lost-at-sea in the sinking. He is in two photos, one of my mother and father dining at the Peabody Hotel in Memphis just six weeks prior to the sinking of the ship. The second photo is of the senior officers on the ship. I wanted to let my friends know about this.

The book reviews are highly rated. Here is my review on Amazon:

5.0 out of 5 starsThis is the ULTIMATE book about the USS Indianapolis

ByEarl Henry, Jr.on July 10, 2018

Format: Hardcover

INDIANAPOLIS, The True Story of the Worst Sea Disaster in U.S. Naval History and the Fifty-Year Fight to Exonerate an Innocent Man, by Lynn Vincent and Sara Vladic. The late Paul Harvey might have reported that INDIANAPOLIS “tells the rest of the story”, for it is the most comprehensive of all other books combined that tell the story of the historic ship. It is the best researched and documented and is so well written. Nothing about this sad story is sugar-coated but it is written in a way that honors the men and their sacrifice, along with the pain of their families.
The first major book telling the backroom politics that led to the exoneration of Captain Charles Butler McVay, and reporting in depth on the 2017 discovery of Indianapolis by Paul Allen’s R/V Petrel, there is much new information researched by the authors. From reconciling the decades-long error in the number of crew, to exploring the possible coverups of naval stations failing to report distress calls from the sinking ship, this book leaves little to nothing unexplored.
Its easy to understand why INDIANAPOLIS is An Amazon Best Book of July 2018 and is in TIME’s Best Books to read in Summer.

I sure wish I could attend this convention.

- Earl Henry, Jr.,

Nashville, TN

ps: Doug's comments make me wonder if Nashville would be a good site for a future NASG regional convention, with help from Blue Ridge S Scalers and Atlanta S gaugers. Hotels rates are high but its a great destination for tourists and we have the Tennessee Central RR Museum which runs really nice excursions using mostly ex-Santa Fe Budd cars. Maybe we could combine with a convention of the L&NHS or NC&StL Preservation group. On the negative side, there are very few S layouts in Middle Tennessee.

In a message dated 7/12/2018 8:58:51 AM Central Standard Time, mgreene@... writes:

I might a couple of additional personal comments to what Doug posted. I’ve had the opportunity to speak with a number of my friends in the last few months — some who model in S and some who model in other scales.

I’ve been amazed by the number of them who have typically attended at least one National Convention every year in past years, and and have volunteered the comment that they are not attending or able to attend national conventions this year (and it seems this may be true for these folks going forward). The primary reasons I hear are:
- Health

- Costs related to attending a National convention

or some combination. Also for some it’s related to their season of life.

I can also say in my personal situation, both the time commitment and the high costs of national convention attendance when balanced against other priorities/concerns have substantially reduced my attendance at national conventions over the last 10 years. I’m much more likely to travel for regional RPM meets, local/regional shows, etc.

My gut tells me that there will continue to be a core group who will attend national conventions, if for no other reason to see old friends, assuming there are people willing to do all the work to organize them. But I suspect this number will continue to decline over time. — both attendees and organizers.

The exception I see to this interestingly enough is the National Narrow Gauge Convention. I don’t know what their attendance will be this year, but the folks I know who model in narrow gauge continue to be strongly interested in attending this particular event. How this translates to actual attendance I don’t know.

The opportunity I see for “growth” for in-person get togethers is to organize regional meets, perhaps around existing regional model railroad events. Obviously there is already great work around the annual O Scale West + S + Narrow Gauge in San Jose, and the Indianapolis O+S Show. These also offer an opportunity to showcase S for modelers in other scales. These regional meets still have a series of hurdle to cross, but by their very nature of being more local, shorter duration, etc. it seems they may offer a attractive alternative option for the future...

Just my 2cents.

Michael

----------
Michael Greene

On Jul 12, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:

My observations----

a) Although we have a decent convention registration number, it is not up to the numbers we experienced in 1998 or 2008, nor what we had anticipated for this year.

b) The number of “Family” add-on registrations (i.e, spouses, in most cases) is impressive…..almost 50% of the primary registrations. That is a good sign of something!

c) The percentage of attendees who are coming early in the week and staying through is also high. The hotel is now fully sold-out. (There are other area hotels, so it’s not too late to consider attending !)

d) There are a number of “regulars” that immediately come to my mind who apparently will not be attending, or have cancelled. In most cases, “health issues” are the explanations I have heard.

e) Our membership is aging----imagine that. Although the organization may survive, I’m not so sure about conventions. I think this is something the leadership needs to be concerned about. It’s not just an aging membership that can’t handle the travel anymore----it’s also an aging membership that can’t undertake all the work of planning and hosting a national convention. Our planning began 4 years ago, with uncertainty of how many of our members would still be around at this point----and indeed, we did lose some key club members during that time! Most of us on this year’s committee don’t see our club being able to run another convention in 10 years, and I suspect that is true of many of the “S” clubs around the country.

f) We have found there are less and less hotel facilities in the region that are appropriate for our convention needs. Hotels today are either not at all oriented toward “conventions”, or they are aimed at organizations far larger than ours, pushing the costs out of reach. In planning for this year, our search four years ago really came down to only two potential hotels within a reasonable distance, size, and price range.

g) Perhaps the organization needs to focus more on smaller-scale regional gatherings, instead of a single large annual convention?

h) And I bet this situation is not unique to our scale !

But we certainly hope that all our attendees (from all over the country, plus Canada and England) will enjoy the week, and our club’s celebration of its 70th “birthday” !!!!

So we look forward to seeing you all !

<<< Sandie and I will be there. Unfortunately, future convention attendance might be limited.

Bill Winans

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Bill Lane <bill@...> wrote:

Soooo…… who is going? I have a good guess at the regular suspects. I am wondering about the occasional attendee or someone I have missed for a few years. Bill Lane
>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80797	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/19/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Partial table

We were sold out, but just had a cancellation today, so there are now 4 tables available…………only $20 each.

<<< Let me know if you might have a partial table available. I might need exactly 1 square foot but will have display items announcing new much needed S products for a friend that is not attending. I could chip in a bit to cover your costs if needed.

>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80798	From: Ben Serzo	Date: 7/20/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Partial table

Hi Doug,

I would like to reserve one of those tables, let me know what I have to do.

Thanks,

Ben Serzo

NASG Member # 00R0089E

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:11 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Partial table

We were sold out, but just had a cancellation today, so there are now 4 tables available…………only $20 each..

>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80799	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/20/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Partial table

OK, Ben.

I’m copying this to Paul Riley, who is handling the Vendor Hall.

He will be in touch with you.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 4:42 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Partial table

Hi Doug,

I would like to reserve one of those tables, let me know what I have to do.

Thanks,

Ben Serzo

NASG Member # 00R0089E

We were sold out, but just had a cancellation today, so there are now 4 tables available…………only $20 each..

>>>

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80800	From: elist@ribbonrail.com	Date: 7/22/2018
Subject: August/September 2018 The S Scale Resource Magazine is Ready

The new issue of The S Scale Resource is now on line. Free to read and download.

http://sscaleresource.com/

New Tracks International Model Builders

Building a Budd 10-6 Sleeper

Switching Eras is Almost Like Switching
Scales... Almost

Working with Brass - Assembling The S
Scale ALCO RS 1

What��s On Your Workbench

Shows, Meets and so much more...

Thanks for reading and tell your friends!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80801	From: Lanier	Date: 7/25/2018
Subject: Lettering Wanted

Looking for a source for silver decals or dry transfers 3” x 1/8” “AMERICAN FLYER LINES” lettering used on the tenders of AF steam locos # 556 and # 553.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80802	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/25/2018
Subject: Re: Lettering Wanted

Portlines Hobby, Doug Peck should have these.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Lanier hblanier@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:37:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Looking for a source for silver decals or dry transfers 3” x 1/8” “AMERICAN FLYER LINES” lettering used on the tenders of AF steam locos # 556 and # 553.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80803	From: hhisgauger	Date: 7/25/2018
Subject: How Many People in S?

Just curious if anyone has any idea how many modelers, collectors, operators are in S? Including Hi-Railers, and Scale..."all up all in"......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80804	From: Lanier	Date: 7/25/2018
Subject: Re: Lettering Wanted

Attachments :

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He does not.

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From: Larry Moore mo2337@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 7:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Portlines Hobby, Doug Peck should have these.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups...com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Lanier hblanier@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:37:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Looking for a source for silver decals or dry transfers 3” x 1/8” “AMERICAN FLYER LINES” lettering used on the tenders of AF steam locos # 556 and # 553.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80805	From: Edward Davis	Date: 7/26/2018
Subject: Re: How Many People in S?

How many people in S gage? I've never seen any figures but remember going back 20 years we were 1/2% of the overall hobby.. HO led the parade of course with about 87%, think followed by O then N. That has been a while but I expect not many changes.. Ed Davis, Boise ID

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 4:16 PM, nrcastricone@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Just curious if anyone has any idea how many modelers, collectors, operators are in S? Including Hi-Railers, and Scale..."all up all in"......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80806	From: snstrains	Date: 7/26/2018
Subject: Re: Lettering Wanted [2 Attachments]

Attachments :

Doug at Port Lines Hobby has these. I bought some from him.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 7/25/2018 10:39:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

He does not.

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From: Larry Moore mo2337@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 7:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Portlines Hobby, Doug Peck should have these.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups...com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Lanier hblanier@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:37:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Looking for a source for silver decals or dry transfers 3” x 1/8” “AMERICAN FLYER LINES” lettering used on the tenders of AF steam locos # 556 and # 553.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80807	From: Lanier	Date: 7/26/2018
Subject: Re: Lettering Wanted

Attachments :

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Thanks Steve, I will check with him again, as the last time I asked him no one had remade them. I would never have asked the group if such an obvious source were known to me.

And thanks to all who responded.

Herb

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From: boss31@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 12:08 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Doug at Port Lines Hobby has these. I bought some from him.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 7/25/2018 10:39:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

He does not.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Moore mo2337@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 7:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Portlines Hobby, Doug Peck should have these.
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups...com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Lanier hblanier@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:37:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Looking for a source for silver decals or dry transfers 3” x 1/8” “AMERICAN FLYER LINES” lettering used on the tenders of AF steam locos # 556 and # 553.
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80808	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 7/26/2018
Subject: Re: How Many People in S?

Just as an example most times when I'd go into a hobby shop and mention that I was an S scaler I'd either get...WE DON'T SELL AMERICAN FLYER or they look at me like I had 2 heads. Then I'd say "no, I'm an S scaler." Then I'd really get the look like I had bubonic plague or worse. Once in a great while I'd get greeted by "wow, how cool is that?" "What kind of stuff ya got"? That tells me we S guys..both scale and Flyer are a rare breed. Fine with me I refuse to switch....pun intended. I've looked at other scales. Z.....you can barely see it. N....not much better. H-O.......well you can see them. O.....I don't have a room big enough. G.....I don't have a house big enough. S......perfect......so I'm staying right here.

Bob Lampe

Happy with S

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80809	From: snstrains	Date: 7/26/2018
Subject: Re: Lettering Wanted [2 Attachments]

Attachments :

If he is out, I think I still have some of them.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 7/26/2018 1:34:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Thanks Steve, I will check with him again, as the last time I asked him no one had remade them. I would never have asked the group if such an obvious source were known to me.

And thanks to all who responded.

Herb

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From: boss31@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 12:08 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Doug at Port Lines Hobby has these. I bought some from him.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id..

In a message dated 7/25/2018 10:39:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

He does not.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Moore mo2337@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 7:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Portlines Hobby, Doug Peck should have these.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups...com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Lanier hblanier@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:37:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Looking for a source for silver decals or dry transfers 3” x 1/8” “AMERICAN FLYER LINES” lettering used on the tenders of AF steam locos # 556 and # 553.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80810	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/28/2018
Subject: Re: Lettering Wanted [2 Attachments]

<<< silver decals or dry transfers 3” x 1/8” “AMERICAN FLYER LINES” lettering used on the tenders of AF steam locos # 556 and # 553.>>>

I can check when we get home from NASG convention on Monday, but I don’t recall those in silver.

The prewar 553-556 tenders had WHITE decals………..even though the cab number was silver.

Those I do have.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80811	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/28/2018
Subject: Re: How Many People in S?

<<< How many people in S gage? I've never seen any figures ………………….>

There have been may guesses or estimates, but I can tell you that I have over 4000 names in my customer database, and they are not all “AF” customers.

In addition, we add new names to the database constantly. The reason I know is that my wife complains about having to add all that info about a new customer almost every day, as we’re filling and shipping orders!!!!

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80812	From: Lanier	Date: 7/28/2018
Subject: Re: How Many People in S?

Attachments :

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The last Dec issue of S-Gaugian magazine showed a paid subscription # of about 1700, so as a minimum you have that many. Do the same for the scalers and you have at least a big part of us covered.

paflyrman

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From: nrcastricone@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:16 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] How Many People in S?

Just curious if anyone has any idea how many modelers, collectors, operators are in S? Including Hi-Railers, and Scale..."all up all in"......

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80813	From: Lanier	Date: 7/28/2018
Subject: Re: Lettering Wanted

Attachments :

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I would like to have two sets if you find them.. I have never known Doug to have this item.

Herb

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From: boss31@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 4:04 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

If he is out, I think I still have some of them.

Steve Blackburn

Boise, Id.

In a message dated 7/26/2018 1:34:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

Thanks Steve, I will check with him again, as the last time I asked him no one had remade them. I would never have asked the group if such an obvious source were known to me.

And thanks to all who responded.

Herb

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: boss31@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 12:08 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Doug at Port Lines Hobby has these. I bought some from him.

Steve Blackburn
Boise, Id..
In a message dated 7/25/2018 10:39:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:

He does not.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Moore mo2337@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 7:38 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Portlines Hobby, Doug Peck should have these.
From: S-Trains@yahoogroups...com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Lanier hblanier@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:37:01 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Lettering Wanted

Looking for a source for silver decals or dry transfers 3” x 1/8” “AMERICAN FLYER LINES” lettering used on the tenders of AF steam locos # 556 and # 553.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80814	From: Edward Davis	Date: 7/28/2018
Subject: Re: How Many People in S? [1 Attachment]

Try a guesstimate adding S-Gaugian mag. and NASG membership then some thoughts on how many of us aren't subscribers nor members ... some here will be, some not.. take a long shot at 15,000.. or come up with some other ideas?? Just some thoughts. Ed Davis, Boise ID [where we're gong into our 3rd week of hot as Hades..]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 5:34 PM, Lanier hblanier@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The last Dec issue of S-Gaugian magazine showed a paid subscription # of about 1700, so as a minimum you have that many. Do the same for the scalers and you have at least a big part of us covered.

paflyrman

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: nrcastricone@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:16 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] How Many People in S?

Just curious if anyone has any idea how many modelers, collectors, operators are in S? Including Hi-Railers, and Scale..."all up all in"......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80815	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 7/28/2018
Subject: Re: How Many People in S?

There are currently 1,600 active NASG members (that's been a steady number for several years now, despite the aging of our group). The NASG web site sees about the same traffic that Doug reports. Also, don't forget that there are people who model in S-scale as a secondary scale. While our numbers may not compare with HO-scale's population, the numbers are nothing to sneeze at. American Models is a full-time operation, and they even built a new factory building last year. I for one, do not subscribe to the doom-n-gloom of our scale, which is part of the reason why I enjoy working on the NASG web site.

- Peter (NASG webmaster).

On 07/26/2018 4:32 pm, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] wrote:

<<< How many people in S gage? I've never seen any figures ………………….>

There have been may guesses or estimates, but I can tell you that I have over 4000 names in my customer database, and they are not all “AF” customers.

In addition, we add new names to the database constantly. The reason I know is that my wife complains about having to add all that info about a new customer almost every day, as we’re filling and shipping orders!!!!

-- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/ My business site: http://fourthray.com/ *The* S-scale site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80816	From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/29/2018
Subject: Possible near-1/64 scale container lifters & stackers

Attachments :

In searching eBay for subject lifters & stackers, I found what MIGHT BE some die cast models that are VERY CLOSE to 1/64 scale. They're listed as 1/50 scale, but when you convert the dimensions they show, it looks closer to 1/64 than 1/50 scale. I've found the following - lowest cost - examples of the 2 types of container lifters & stackers. Go to: https://www.ebay.com/itm/KAIDIWEI-1-50-Scale-Diecast-Empty-Container-Stacker-Forklift-Truck-Model-Toy-New/173365688687?hash=item285d66796f%3Ag%3A3xIAAOSw9mFbIxYc&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=KAIDIWEI+Container+Stacker+Forklift&_from=R40&rt=nc for the first example, and: https://www.ebay.com/itm/KDW-1-50-Scale-Diecast-Reach-Stacker-Truck-Construction-Vehicle-Cars-Model-Toys/221413482557?epid=1538221622&hash=item338d45a03d%3Ag%3AdOAAAOSwhxBZr6jd&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=KDW+1%2F50+Scale+Diecast+Reach+Stacker&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=1%7C1%7C1 for the second example. I've attached '.pdf' files of drawings which showed general dimensions in cm which I converted to inches, then feet/inches in 'S' scale. I'm hoping to soon get one of the 2nd types to check them out. Just thought some of you might want to know about these models! :-)

Regards, Randy Griggs

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80817	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/29/2018
Subject: Re: How many people in S?

I have been in and out of S gauge twice. As a child in the 1950's, then as a young adult from 1975 thru 1983, and now I'm in this third time since 1999. I saw it in it's heyday of American Flyer, saw it in it's dark years when everyone kit bashed old Flyer into closer to scale (Hi-rail) and/or built kits or scratch built. When I returned in '99 the builders and modifiers were mostly gone, replaced by collectors who tolerated no modifications and had run the prices through the roof. It was quite a "culture shock" for a modeler like me.

I'm a "Rubber Gauger" having worked in every scale and gauge over my many years in the hobby, and even done a bit of Lionel collecting, which for me a dead end as all I could do was pay big prices and stare at stuff on a shelf. I currently am active in four scales/gauges S, HO, On30, and HOn30 and have equipment in G, Gn15, and O. My other main hobby is cars. I raced Stock Cars for a time and then went into officiating, announcing, history, and publicity. I helped my father restore vintage cars and I built Hot Rods as well.

I am well aware of the "Gloom and Doom" syndrome, having experienced it in both my main hobbies, and also my various other interests. As both a Historian and observer of Human Nature, I can tell you that there are solid psychological reasons for believing the model building and automotive hobbies are doomed. The most obvious one is that there are far too few young people interested.

In the automotive hobby, other than the big auctions such as the Barrett-Jackson, which are frequented by millionaires in competition with each other, the prices for vintage cars and old Hot Rods is in decline. Most of the folks in the hobby are no longer doing restorations or Hot rods for themselves and specialty shops are starting to disappear. There are only so many Jay Leno types in the world.

I have been watching the same thing in Toy and Model trains. When I started at the hobby shop the owners were both avid collectors and could make money on virtually every transaction. Twenty years later when they closed, it was hard to make money except at a few big shows like York. Even the prices of modern model trains have turned people away from that segment. Today I see people who are running "traveling museums" because they can't sell enough volume at the prices demanded. The smart ones do only the major shows now. Again, there are only so many Jay Leno types in trains.

If you combine high prices and the aging of what participants are still involved in both trains and cars, how would you NOT conclude that our days are numbered? I have a grand nephew who likes to come over and watch my trains run. But he has no interest in having his own! He also likes to ride in my Mustang, but he isn't really into cars at all. There is an excellent likelihood that many of our "traditional" hobbies will die with us and no one will want the "old junk" we have accumulated!

But "Gloom and Doom" is not the correct reaction! We're still here! We still love our hobbies! And once we die, we won't be in any position to care anyway! The consensus in my car club is to "drive 'em 'till they drop." Sure, our cars are worth less and less as the years pass, but they still mean a Hell of a lot to us, and we're going to keep right on tinkering with them and driving them and enjoying them. What will today's kids have when they reach our age? Old computers that don't work because you can't get chips and such to keep them alive? Parts are still around for Model T Fords and American Flyer trains!

My various hobbies have brought me some of the best adventures, greatest triumphs, and most enjoyment in my entire life. What am I going to do, sell everything off and sit in front of the TV and wait to die? NO! I'm going to keep building models, and tinkering with cars "until they pry the screwdriver from my cold, dead hand."

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80818	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/29/2018
Subject: Re: How many people in S?

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80819	From: Edward Davis	Date: 7/29/2018
Subject: Re: Possible near-1/64 scale container lifters & stackers [2 Attachm

That gives me an idea, for those seeking something different at low cost. I recently picked up a big box full of trains and included a later model Lionel old type auto rack car. Width wise perfect for S ?..length 13", and I've converted several Lionel cars to us just by swapping trucks, the hole spacing or rivet or bolt truck mounting the same.. haven't done it yet but for those interested worth a thought. 13" obviously tinplate length but of interest.. Ed Davis

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 10:55 PM, rlgriggs@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

In searching eBay for subject lifters & stackers, I found what MIGHT BE some die cast models that are VERY CLOSE to 1/64 scale. They're listed as 1/50 scale, but when you convert the dimensions they show, it looks closer to 1/64 than 1/50 scale. I've found the following - lowest cost - examples of the 2 types of container lifters & stackers. Go to: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ KAIDIWEI-1-50-Scale-Diecast- Empty-Container-Stacker- Forklift-Truck-Model-Toy-New/ 173365688687?hash= item285d66796f%3Ag% 3A3xIAAOSw9mFbIxYc&_sop=15&_ sacat=0&_nkw=KAIDIWEI+ Container+Stacker+Forklift&_ from=R40&rt=nc for the first example, and: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ KDW-1-50-Scale-Diecast-Reach- Stacker-Truck-Construction- Vehicle-Cars-Model-Toys/ 221413482557?epid=1538221622& hash=item338d45a03d%3Ag% 3AdOAAAOSwhxBZr6jd&_sop=15&_ sacat=0&_nkw=KDW+1%2F50+Scale+ Diecast+Reach+Stacker&_from= R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=1%7C1% 7C1 for the second example. I've attached '.pdf' files of drawings which showed general dimensions in cm which I converted to inches, then feet/inches in 'S' scale. I'm hoping to soon get one of the 2nd types to check them out. Just thought some of you might want to know about these models! :-)
Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80820	From: David	Date: 7/29/2018
Subject: Re: Possible near-1/64 scale container lifters & stackers [2 Attachm

Randy,
I can confirm the Reach Stacker. A friend of mine has one; he is fussy regarding 1/64 scale proportions. He, also, obtained it from China. It looked quite nice on an intermodal diorama we set up at a show last November.

--Dave McBrayer
Castro Valley, CA

On 07/28/2018 9:55 PM, rlgriggs@... [S-Trains] wrote:

In searching eBay for subject lifters & stackers, I found what MIGHT BE some die cast models that are VERY CLOSE to 1/64 scale. They're listed as 1/50 scale, but when you convert the dimensions they show, it looks closer to 1/64 than 1/50 scale. I've found the following - lowest cost - examples of the 2 types of container lifters & stackers. Go to: https://www.ebay.com/itm/KAIDIWEI-1-50-Scale-Diecast-Empty-Container-Stacker-Forklift-Truck-Model-Toy-New/173365688687?hash=item285d66796f%3Ag%3A3xIAAOSw9mFbIxYc&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=KAIDIWEI+Container+Stacker+Forklift&_from=R40&rt=nc for the first example, and: https://www.ebay.com/itm/KDW-1-50-Scale-Diecast-Reach-Stacker-Truck-Construction-Vehicle-Cars-Model-Toys/221413482557?epid=1538221622&hash=item338d45a03d%3Ag%3AdOAAAOSwhxBZr6jd&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=KDW+1%2F50+Scale+Diecast+Reach+Stacker&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=1%7C1%7C1 for the second example. I've attached '.pdf' files of drawings which showed general dimensions in cm which I converted to inches, then feet/inches in 'S' scale. I'm hoping to soon get one of the 2nd types to check them out. Just thought some of you might want to know about these models! :-)

Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80821	From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/29/2018
Subject: Re: Converting Lionel 'O' car carrier cars to 'S' was Possible near-

Attachments :

Lionel 'O' to 'S' 2-Tier Car Carrier Conversions.pdf

Ed, I've done a number of these conversions, and they look pretty good for 'tinplate' or American Flyer use. I'm attaching a rather long '.pdf' file that describes everything I've done so far. I've still got two more I need to convert, but haven't found one of those 'round tuits'! ;-)

Regards, Randy Griggs

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80822	From: D. Scott MacKenzie	Date: 7/29/2018
Subject: Re: Converting Lionel 'O' car carrier cars to 'S' was Possible near-

As an aside, I think the Avanti is one of the prettiest cars – almost as pretty as a 2002 – 2005 T-Bird

D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD

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Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 3:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Converting Lionel 'O' car carrier cars to 'S' was Possible near-1/64 scale container lifters & stackers [1 Attachment]

Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80823	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/30/2018
Subject: Re: Possible near-1/64 scale container lifters & stackers

Attachments :

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I have converted four of the Lionel open auto carriers and I do agree,
for Flyer fans these are perfect. I did on the cars that are already
converted make an adapter to move the trucks a little closer to the end
of the car to get the couplers where they needed to be for clearance on
the Gilbert curved track. I will attempt to add a couple of pics.

Ray

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80824	From: Scubadoo22	Date: 7/30/2018
Subject: Re: Possible near-1/64 scale container lifters & stackers [2 Attachm

Nice job Ray, I’m going to convert a couple of these too!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I have converted four of the Lionel open auto carriers and I do agree,
for Flyer fans these are perfect. I did on the cars that are already
converted make an adapter to move the trucks a little closer to the end
of the car to get the couplers where they needed to be for clearance on
the Gilbert curved track. I will attempt to add a couple of pics.

Ray

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<IMGP1536.JPG>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80825	From: poniaj	Date: 7/30/2018
Subject: Re: Possible near-1/64 scale container lifters & stackers [2 Attachm

Now watch the supply go down and price to go up !

They do indeed look good. But this isn't "train show season", and I don't do online things. Oh well. It would be nice to have somewhere to put all the M2 cars I have. Post photos of your conversions, guys! BTW, what's the Lionel number and when did they make them? I don't remember seeing them at shows around here.

Jerry Poniatowski

Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80826	From: Edward Davis	Date: 7/30/2018
Subject: Re: Possible near-1/64 scale container lifters & stackers

I've never seen the auto rack we're discussing ANYWHERE.. train meets, stores.. mine came in a box of stuff I bought at a garage sale.. {HOW RARELY IT HAPPENS} Number is 9125 and was made between 1973-77.. road name N&W Greenberg book $23-28 . May have come in other road names and numbers, but this that I have is the ONLY one I've ever seen.. Ed Davis, Boise ID.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 5:39 PM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Now watch the supply go down and price to go up !

They do indeed look good. But this isn't "train show season", and I don't do online things. Oh well. It would be nice to have somewhere to put all the M2 cars I have. Post photos of your conversions, guys! BTW, what's the Lionel number and when did they make them? I don't remember seeing them at shows around here.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80827	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/31/2018
Subject: Re: Possible near-1/64 scale container lifters & stackers

Attachments :

Jerry,

I actually received one of these, the Sants Fe car, through the postal
service from a friend of a friend as a gift. I converted that car and
showed it to another Badgerland member, Ron Schlicht. I had acquired
three more of the cars and converted them also but Ron caught fire and
bought and converted a total of seven car haulers. He picked up one more
for me which I have not yet done. These cars range in price from the
first which was free to me to about $20.00 at swap meets and Ebay. I
need also to comment that when loaded with M2s they become quite heavy,
I need to double head my U 30s to pull them up my grade which is about 1
- 1 1/2%. These cars are quite common so I don't think you will see a
grat price increase on them. I will attempt to add pics of the converted
cars each with their permanent complement of automobiles.

Ray

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80828	From: Douglas Miller	Date: 7/31/2018
Subject: Re: Possible near-1/64 scale container lifters & stackers

I remember a fellow S scalier who cut Lionel cars down the middle and put scale trucks and 802 on them. That was a long time ago right Tom.

Doug Miller

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:02 AM, Edward Davis bigedirt5543@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've never seen the auto rack we're discussing ANYWHERE... train meets, stores.. mine came in a box of stuff I bought at a garage sale.. {HOW RARELY IT HAPPENS} Number is 9125 and was made between 1973-77.. road name N&W Greenberg book $23-28 . May have come in other road names and numbers, but this that I have is the ONLY one I've ever seen.. Ed Davis, Boise ID.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 5:39 PM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Now watch the supply go down and price to go up !

They do indeed look good. But this isn't "train show season", and I don't do online things. Oh well. It would be nice to have somewhere to put all the M2 cars I have. Post photos of your conversions, guys! BTW, what's the Lionel number and when did they make them? I don't remember seeing them at shows around here.

Jerry Poniatowski
Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80829	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/31/2018
Subject: O27 to S

----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Miller 3rrmiller@gmail..com [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

I remember a fellow S scalier who cut Lionel cars down the middle and put scale trucks and 802 on them. That was a long time ago right Tom?

> > > > > > > > > > >

That idea was not original with me. There was an article in the Herald by Sam Powell on how to do it. I'd have a lot more done, but I can't find a satisfactory way to create a roof without a running board.

A club member came to a meeting with one of these subject Lionel open auto racks a few months ago and pointed out the S possibilities of the car. I went home, found two in my basement that I had picked up long ago at some train shows.

Being in scale, I am allowed to set the trucks in a little distance from the ends, like the real ones. I put mostly vans and and pickups in the two decker, leaving deck spacing as delivered. For the one where I retained all three decks, I lowered them by taking out a section of all the vertical posts. I made a tool that is two zona saws bolted together so I remove exactly the same amount from each post. That car then gets standard height sedans, as is done in the real ones. The diecast autos &c that I used are all wrong for the open rack era, but "they're just toys."

You saw these cars on our layout if you came to the recent Spring Spree. I've converted other O27 cars to S, another story.

tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80830	From: Douglas Miller	Date: 8/3/2018
Subject: Re: O27 to S

Hi Tom, what goes around comes around. I'm building my last layout and found that I needed some tools like track formers, a back to back wheel Gage, clearance guide.

It baffles me to see all the comments on frogs, for good running scale trackage the frog should meat the NASG standards. Most of the people just run trains around and around, they are not doing scale operation so a frog 23% shorter makes no difference.

Good to here from you my mentor in scale. I will be at the O and S scale show in September with all my new products.

Doug Miller, NC

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:19 PM, 'Tom Hawley' t.hawley@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Miller 3rrmiller@gmail..com [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>

I remember a fellow S scalier who cut Lionel cars down the middle and put scale trucks and 802 on them. That was a long time ago right Tom?

> > > > > > > > > > >

That idea was not original with me. There was an article in the Herald by Sam Powell on how to do it. I'd have a lot more done, but I can't find a satisfactory way to create a roof without a running board.

A club member came to a meeting with one of these subject Lionel open auto racks a few months ago and pointed out the S possibilities of the car. I went home, found two in my basement that I had picked up long ago at some train shows.

Being in scale, I am allowed to set the trucks in a little distance from the ends, like the real ones. I put mostly vans and and pickups in the two decker, leaving deck spacing as delivered. For the one where I retained all three decks, I lowered them by taking out a section of all the vertical posts. I made a tool that is two zona saws bolted together so I remove exactly the same amount from each post. That car then gets standard height sedans, as is done in the real ones. The diecast autos &c that I used are all wrong for the open rack era, but "they're just toys."

You saw these cars on our layout if you came to the recent Spring Spree. I've converted other O27 cars to S, another story.

tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80831	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/4/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Craft store people are also S scale people!

<<< Real people come in all sizes. As you probably already know, one real inch is 5 feet 4 inches in S, a typical female adult. So anything from 3/4" (19mm) to 1-1/4" (31mm) tall is reasonable. Children can be less of course...

The Boxborough convention had a handy clear plastic "people" gauge as part of the welcome package.

Bill Winans

>>>

And for anyone who would like one (or more) of these wallet-size “S-Scale Assistants”, just send $5 to my address (cash or check only; no credit-cards for this).

We will send you one of these, in a Tyvek protective sleeve, postpaid.

It includes an S-scale rule, track gauge, and easy-to-use images for man-woman-child, and door sizes !

(Note: These are not a Port Lines item……these benefit the Bristol Club.)

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80832	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/4/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Craft store people are also S scale people!

<<< doug:

who do we make out payment too?

thanks

mel>>>

Sorry….I forgot to say that.

Checks or money-orders payable to “Bristol S-Gauge Railroaders”.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80833	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/5/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Craft store people are also S scale people!

Attachments :

S-SCALE ASST.pdf

Here’s the S-Scale Asst card recently discussed.

Plastic, with Tyvek sleeve.

Not sure if this will come through as an attachment or not.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

@@attachment@@

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80834	From: johntech	Date: 8/5/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Craft store people are also S scale people!

Yes it came through. Just printed it and will laminate it for future reference!!

Thanks Doug.

John Frankforther

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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re: [S-Scale] Craft store people are also S scale people!

Here’s the S-Scale Asst card recently discussed.

Plastic, with Tyvek sleeve.

Not sure if this will come through as an attachment or not.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80835	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/5/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG Boxbrough photos

We have begun to get our own convention photos posted to our website as well.

Here are links to some of the early events (Tuesday & Wednesday).

Enjoy……….

More to come.

Credit for all of these goes to Wayne Hills.

Winnipesaukee: Lake Winnipesaukee Tour

Layout tour 1: Tuesday Layout Tour

70th Birthday Party: Bristol Club 70th Birthday Party

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80836	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/5/2018
Subject: More NASG Boxboro photos

Still more convention photos have been posted.

Just go to

bsgr.us

and scroll down to the photo links.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 3:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Bill Pyper <rrbill10@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG Boxbrough photos

We have begun to get our own convention photos posted to our website as well.

Here are links to some of the early events (Tuesday & Wednesday).

Enjoy……….

More to come.

Credit for all of these goes to Wayne Hills.

Winnipesaukee: Lake Winnipesaukee Tour

Layout tour 1: Tuesday Layout Tour

70th Birthday Party: Bristol Club 70th Birthday Party

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80837	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 8/5/2018
Subject: Re: More NASG Boxboro photos

The click on on here doesn’t open. What has to be added ?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Still more convention photos have been posted.

Just go to

bsgr.us

and scroll down to the photo links.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www..portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 3:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Bill Pyper <rrbill10@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG Boxbrough photos

We have begun to get our own convention photos posted to our website as well.

Here are links to some of the early events (Tuesday & Wednesday).

Enjoy……….

More to come.

Credit for all of these goes to Wayne Hills.

Winnipesaukee: Lake Winnipesaukee Tour

Layout tour 1: Tuesday Layout Tour

70th Birthday Party: Bristol Club 70th Birthday Party

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80838	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/6/2018
Subject: Re: More NASG Boxboro photos

?????????????

Worked for me.

I just tried it again.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

The click on on here doesn’t open. What has to be added ?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Still more convention photos have been posted.

Just go to

bsgr.us

and scroll down to the photo links.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www..portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 3:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com; Bill Pyper <rrbill10@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG Boxbrough photos

We have begun to get our own convention photos posted to our website as well.

Here are links to some of the early events (Tuesday & Wednesday).

Enjoy……….

More to come.

Credit for all of these goes to Wayne Hills.

Winnipesaukee: Lake Winnipesaukee Tour

Layout tour 1: Tuesday Layout Tour

70th Birthday Party: Bristol Club 70th Birthday Party

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80839	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/6/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Craft store people are also S scale people!

Well….that’s not quite what I had in mind!

Our club had these made, in clear plastic, as a fundraiser, and as I had stated, they are $5 each postpaid.

What you printed (a) will not be transparent; and (b) will likely not be the correct size, meaning it is out of scale.

Furthermore, the club production is copyrighted.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 8:02 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Re: [S-Scale] Craft store people are also S scale people!

Yes it came through. Just printed it and will laminate it for future reference!!

Thanks Doug.

John Frankforther

Here’s the S-Scale Asst card recently discussed.

Plastic, with Tyvek sleeve.

Not sure if this will come through as an attachment or not.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80840	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 8/7/2018
Subject: Re: More NASG Boxboro photos

Doesn't work for me either

Harwood

-----Original Message-----
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To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2018 8:55 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

?????????????

Worked for me.

I just tried it again..

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

The click on on here doesn’t open.. What has to be added ?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Still more convention photos have been posted.

Just go to

bsgr.us

and scroll down to the photo links.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www..portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 3:23 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com; Bill Pyper <rrbill10@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG Boxbrough photos

We have begun to get our own convention photos posted to our website as well.

Here are links to some of the early events (Tuesday & Wednesday).

Enjoy……….

More to come.

Credit for all of these goes to Wayne Hills.

Winnipesaukee: Lake Winnipesaukee Tour

Layout tour 1: Tuesday Layout Tour

70th Birthday Party: Bristol Club 70th Birthday Party

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80841	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: More NASG Boxboro photos

Try this one:

http://bsgr.us/

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:27 AM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Doesn't work for me either

Harwood

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To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2018 8:55 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

?????????????

Worked for me.

I just tried it again..

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

The click on on here doesn’t open.. What has to be added ?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups..com> wrote:

Still more convention photos have been posted.

Just go to

bsgr.us

and scroll down to the photo links.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www..portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG Boxbrough photos

We have begun to get our own convention photos posted to our website as well.

Here are links to some of the early events (Tuesday & Wednesday).

Enjoy……….

More to come.

Credit for all of these goes to Wayne Hills.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80842	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: More NASG Boxboro photos

I tried clicking on the blue but it didn't work. However, if you copy the address and paste it in to your browser, you will get there.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 8/7/2018 02:27 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Doesn't work for me either

Harwood

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To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2018 8:55 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

?????????????

Worked for me.

I just tried it again..

Doug Peck
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Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

The click on on here doesn’t open.. What has to be added ?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Still more convention photos have been posted.

Just go to

bsgr.us

and scroll down to the photo links.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www..portlines.com
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG Boxbrough photos

We have begun to get our own convention photos posted to our website as well.

Here are links to some of the early events (Tuesday & Wednesday).

Enjoy……….

More to come.

Credit for all of these goes to Wayne Hills.

Winnipesaukee: Lake Winnipesaukee Tour

Layout tour 1: Tuesday Layout Tour

70th Birthday Party: Bristol Club 70th Birthday Party

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80843	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: More NASG Boxboro photos

I'm still in the process of posting photos of the 2018 NASG convention to the Bristol Club website. The first set were from member Wayne Hills, who was actively supporting the convention so he only photographed events that he attended. I'm now posting photos from friend Steve Allen of the Pioneer Valley Model Railroad Club. If anyone else has pictures of the convention that they would like me to post please send them on.

Here's the best link for the site:

https://bsgr.clubexpress.com/

Thanks!

Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80844	From: johntech	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: More NASG Boxboro photos

I think if you receive these messages as TEXT only and not as HTML messages, the link may not work for you.

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 8:28 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

Doesn't work for me either

Harwood

?????????????

Worked for me.

I just tried it again..

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
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Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:40 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

The click on on here doesn’t open.. What has to be added ?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2018, at 8:27 PM, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Still more convention photos have been posted.
Just go to
bsgr.us
and scroll down to the photo links.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www..portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com; Bill Pyper <rrbill10@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG Boxbrough photos

We have begun to get our own convention photos posted to our website as well.
Here are links to some of the early events (Tuesday & Wednesday).
Enjoy……….
More to come.

Credit for all of these goes to Wayne Hills.

Winnipesaukee: Lake Winnipesaukee Tour
Layout tour 1: Tuesday Layout Tour
70th Birthday Party: Bristol Club 70th Birthday Party

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80845	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: More NASG Boxboro photos

To repeat Bill Clark’s posting, try this instead, if you’re having trouble with the original link….

https://bsgr.clubexpress.com/

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 5:12 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

I tried clicking on the blue but it didn't work. However, if you copy the address and paste it in to your browser, you will get there.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 8/7/2018 02:27 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Doesn't work for me either

Harwood

Still more convention photos have been posted.

Just go to

bsgr.us

and scroll down to the photo links.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www..portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG Boxbrough photos

We have begun to get our own convention photos posted to our website as well.

Here are links to some of the early events (Tuesday & Wednesday).

Enjoy……….

More to come.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80846	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

Boy... where have I heard THAT argument before?!? Oh yeah... I remember... I heard it straight from the PREZ of the NASG when he informed me (last year) that my local, yearly show is "too small" for them to attend or to even support! Sounds like someone is giving the NASG a taste of it's own medicine.

Yet we all sit around wondering what all is contributing to this diminishing hobby...

John D

I tried for a year (starting in Baltimore last summer) to get a commitment from MTH to display at Boxboro, but had no success. They did support us with some nice donations, however.
I could not get Lionel either, but that did not surprise me…..they never attend NASG conventions, as they are “too small”.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80847	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

Appears to be true !

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MTH-S-Gauge-Flat-Car-w-48-Trailer-Smooth-Baltimore-Ohio-35-76002/163076813714?hash=item25f822b392%3Ag%3A2cIAAOSwLM5bEahe&_sacat=0&_nkw=mth+s+scale&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0

And not happy about it…………

This may be the next product line that I discontinue carrying.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of Doug Peck
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 5:57 PM
To: S-Scale@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

<<< Gary C. mentioned MTH wasn't at Boxboro; perhaps it is coincidence, but so far no one on the list has mentioned that MTH seems to be selling off

S scale inventory (I haven't bothered to check other scales) on ebay at about half of list, shipping included.

I just checked their website but found nothing to indicate they are having a sale, per se.

Anyone know anything more about this?

Jace Kahn

>>>

I tried for a year (starting in Baltimore last summer) to get a commitment from MTH to display at Boxboro, but had no success. They did support us with some nice donations, however.

I could not get Lionel either, but that did not surprise me…..they never attend NASG conventions, as they are “too small”.

I have heard rumors about this sale, but this is the first time I heard any connection to EBAY.

If it’s true, they are undermining their dealer network, as Lionel did years ago…….blowing out inventory at prices lower than they sell it to dealers, while we are left with the same stock sitting on shelves because we cannot match or approach their prices without losing money.

This is the quickest way to destroy their dealer network and lose business.

At York last spring, Mike Wolf told me they weren’t rushing to get a new catalog out, or a new run of track made, “because we still have inventory on the shelf that we need to sell first.”

If that was every company’s attitude, they’d all be out of business in a very short time.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80848	From: John Degnan	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

Maybe not, Doug... 'cause I saw a good bit of O (and even some G) stuff in that list for around half price, too. So maybe.... HOPEFULLY... it's just an attempt to clear some shelves...

John D

On August 8, 2018 at 6:04 PM Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:

Appears to be true !

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MTH-S-Gauge-Flat-Car-w-48-Trailer-Smooth-Baltimore-Ohio-35-76002/163076813714?hash=item25f822b392%3Ag%3A2cIAAOSwLM5bEahe&_sacat=0&_nkw=mth+s+scale&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0

And not happy about it…………
This may be the next product line that I discontinue carrying.
Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of Doug Peck
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 5:57 PM
To: S-Scale@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

<<< Gary C. mentioned MTH wasn't at Boxboro; perhaps it is coincidence, but so far no one on the list has mentioned that MTH seems to be selling off
S scale inventory (I haven't bothered to check other scales) on ebay at about half of list, shipping included.
I just checked their website but found nothing to indicate they are having a sale, per se.
Anyone know anything more about this?
Jace Kahn
>>>

I tried for a year (starting in Baltimore last summer) to get a commitment from MTH to display at Boxboro, but had no success. They did support us with some nice donations, however.
I could not get Lionel either, but that did not surprise me…..they never attend NASG conventions, as they are “too small”.

I have heard rumors about this sale, but this is the first time I heard any connection to EBAY.
If it’s true, they are undermining their dealer network, as Lionel did years ago…….blowing out inventory at prices lower than they sell it to dealers, while we are left with the same stock sitting on shelves because we cannot match or approach their prices without losing money.
This is the quickest way to destroy their dealer network and lose business.
At York last spring, Mike Wolf told me they weren’t rushing to get a new catalog out, or a new run of track made, “because we still have inventory on the shelf that we need to sell first.”
If that was every company’s attitude, they’d all be out of business in a very short time.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80849	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: More NASG Boxboro photos

Thanks Doug, that works for me.

Harwood

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To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2018 12:14 pm
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

To repeat Bill Clark’s posting, try this instead, if you’re having trouble with the original link….

https://bsgr.clubexpress.com/

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 5:12 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More NASG Boxboro photos

I tried clicking on the blue but it didn't work. However, if you copy the address and paste it in to your browser, you will get there.
Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

On 8/7/2018 02:27 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Doesn't work for me either

Harwood

Still more convention photos have been posted.

Just go to

bsgr.us

and scroll down to the photo links.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www..portlines.com
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To: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups..com; Bill Pyper <rrbill10@...>
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG Boxbrough photos

We have begun to get our own convention photos posted to our website as well.

Here are links to some of the early events (Tuesday & Wednesday).

Enjoy……….

More to come.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80850	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

<<< Gary C. mentioned MTH wasn't at Boxboro; perhaps it is coincidence, but so far no one on the list has mentioned that MTH seems to be selling off

S scale inventory (I haven't bothered to check other scales) on ebay at about half of list, shipping included.

I just checked their website but found nothing to indicate they are having a sale, per se.

Anyone know anything more about this?

Jace Kahn

>>>

I tried for a year (starting in Baltimore last summer) to get a commitment from MTH to display at Boxboro, but had no success. They did support us with some nice donations, however.

I could not get Lionel either, but that did not surprise me…..they never attend NASG conventions, as they are “too small”.

I have heard rumors about this sale, but this is the first time I heard any connection to EBAY.

This is the quickest way to destroy their dealer network and lose business.

At York last spring, Mike Wolf told me they weren’t rushing to get a new catalog out, or a new run of track made, “because we still have inventory on the shelf that we need to sell first.”

If that was every company’s attitude, they’d all be out of business in a very short time.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80851	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

I’m sure that’s true……….but it doesn’t make it “right”.

If a manufacturer wants to do that, at the very least set the prices at the same prices that dealers pay……don’t undercut your dealer network, and then ship for free as well !

When MTH first started marketing S, they were offering it for direct sale on their website at a discount. Dealers (what few they had) protested, and they agreed to only sell direct at retail.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
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From: John Degnan <scaler164@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 6:29 PM
To: Doug Peck <Doug@...>; S-Scale@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

Maybe not, Doug... 'cause I saw a good bit of O (and even some G) stuff in that list for around half price, too. So maybe... HOPEFULLY... it's just an attempt to clear some shelves...

John D

On August 8, 2018 at 6:04 PM Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:

Appears to be true !

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MTH-S-Gauge-Flat-Car-w-48-Trailer-Smooth-Baltimore-Ohio-35-76002/163076813714?hash=item25f822b392%3Ag%3A2cIAAOSwLM5bEahe&_sacat=0&_nkw=mth+s+scale&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0

And not happy about it…………

This may be the next product line that I discontinue carrying.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of Doug Peck
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 5:57 PM
To: S-Scale@...
Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

<<< Gary C. mentioned MTH wasn't at Boxboro; perhaps it is coincidence, but so far no one on the list has mentioned that MTH seems to be selling off

S scale inventory (I haven't bothered to check other scales) on ebay at about half of list, shipping included.

I just checked their website but found nothing to indicate they are having a sale, per se.

Anyone know anything more about this?

Jace Kahn
>>>

I tried for a year (starting in Baltimore last summer) to get a commitment from MTH to display at Boxboro, but had no success. They did support us with some nice donations, however.

I could not get Lionel either, but that did not surprise me…..they never attend NASG conventions, as they are “too small”.

I have heard rumors about this sale, but this is the first time I heard any connection to EBAY.

If it’s true, they are undermining their dealer network, as Lionel did years ago…….blowing out inventory at prices lower than they sell it to dealers, while we are left with the same stock sitting on shelves because we cannot match or approach their prices without losing money.

This is the quickest way to destroy their dealer network and lose business.

At York last spring, Mike Wolf told me they weren’t rushing to get a new catalog out, or a new run of track made, “because we still have inventory on the shelf that we need to sell first.”

If that was every company’s attitude, they’d all be out of business in a very short time.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80852	From: chuck_7612	Date: 8/8/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

Write 'em off. Not worth discussing them anymore as it relates to S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80853	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/9/2018
Subject: Just a thought

This talk of tariffs, manufacturing, and now a suspected MTH "sell off" over the past few months got me to thinking. (Always dangerous.) And not just about S scale/gauge, but all of the hobby and where we're headed. There are those who have gone into "Panic Mode" and talk "Doom and Gloom." And there are those who say the hobby is in great shape and there is no problem. As common sense might tell us, the reality is somewhere in between.

Yes, young folks are not getting interested in the numbers the overall hobby needs. But what ARE they interested in? Yes, prices are ridiculous and working against attracting new people. But the costs of manufacture are too high for small production runs, and large runs create an "overstock" situation. S is a "minority scale" and pretty much always has been, so perhaps we see the "end is near" situation more acutely.

On the other hand, take a look at this hobby fifty or sixty years ago. We had toy trains that were "Ready To Run" but scale model trains were available mostly as kits. Hobby tools and supplies were what you could find or what could be adapted for the required model use. I remember my Dad (who taught me) using Cheerios for model vehicle tires and building his own English Wheel to form card stock into compound curves just as car body men did with sheet metal.

Maybe we should consider "turning back the clock" as a way to survive? We've all become too used to the conveniences and R-T-R products with all the bells and whistles (literally.) Perhaps too many of us have become "checkbook" hobbyists? We no longer have the patience or skills to be "model" railroaders, because "we want it all NOW." This wasn't what the hobby was back when I started.

Will the overall hobby die with the "Baby Boomers" or will it simply "downsize" and "change direction?" Do we just give up, sell off all our stuff at a huge loss and stare at the TV or social media for the rest of our lives? As I have said before, that's not a healthy attitude. It doesn't do us or the hobby any good.

This may be just and evolutionary situation we must adapt to. No matter what happens, I intend to "play with my trains" until I'm looking at the grass from the side with the roots.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80854	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 8/9/2018
Subject: Re: Just a thought

Stumpy-

This discussion comes up in all the lists and boards.

The cost of Model Railroading, while seemingly outrageous to anyone who is retired on a fixed income, is not much of consideration in the overall picture of people coming into the Hobby.

When you look at what percentage of a monthly paycheck American Flyer sets represented “back in the day” you’ll see that the price of trains hasn’t changed much over the years.

When professional sports cost in excess of $200 to see a game or what people pay for cable packages to watch them at home trains look pretty good for the number of hours of enjoyment they yield per dollar over the years.

The main problem I see is the bulk of the generations following us have no interest in the physical world. They don’t have newspapers, magazines, books and get what little information they crave from Facebook or other “social media”. They have very little knowledge of or interest in History or anything outside of their own lives. Even their interactions with other people are increasingly electronic, avoiding the nasty burden of actually having to interact with others and listen while they are talking.

Our Hobby, even in the Ready to Run Accumulation Checkbook Hobbyist end of things, requires thought, patience, planning and a whole host of skills that are increasingly lacking in modern society.

Your mention of your dad making an English Wheel to form cardboard is a great example of lost arts. Just browse through old “Popular Mechanics” or “Mechanic’s Illustrated” magazines and try to think of somebody under 40 that could begin to understand or want to do any of the projects that appeared every month. Now “Popular Mechanics” is more like a Sharper Image catalog of all the latest trendy technology products that are available with no projects worth mentioning.

Things tend to work in cycles and hopefully there will be a counter movement away from the total dependence on technology in every aspect of life back to it being a viewed as a tool.

The good news is that our Hobby is such a small part of the general population that even if the target audience shrinks we still have room to grow, but it will take us going out and bringing people into the fold. If each of us “recruited” one or two new people into Model Railroading we could double the size of the Hobby…..and insure that our trains would be passed on to someone who will value them.

Charlie Vlk

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:31 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Just a thought

This may be just and evolutionary situation we must adapt to. No matter what happens, I intend to "play with my trains" until I'm looking at the grass from the side with the roots.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80855	From: rinphoto@rocketmail.com	Date: 8/9/2018
Subject: Re: Just a thought

Good point.

I have often thought that there might be a place for something similar to the old Gilbert All Aboard panels in this plug and play world. Marklin sells them, and I believe Lionel has a sort-kinda version. My guess is that an enterprising entrepreneur might be able to get the panels made for cheap offshore ( I know, I know-by American), and could be manufactured for modular use-start small and add panels later.

Roy Inman

On 08/09/2018 10:25 AM, 'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Stumpy-

This discussion comes up in all the lists and boards.

The cost of Model Railroading, while seemingly outrageous to anyone who is retired on a fixed income, is not much of consideration in the overall picture of people coming into the Hobby.

When you look at what percentage of a monthly paycheck American Flyer sets represented “back in the day” you’ll see that the price of trains hasn’t changed much over the years.

When professional sports cost in excess of $200 to see a game or what people pay for cable packages to watch them at home trains look pretty good for the number of hours of enjoyment they yield per dollar over the years.

The main problem I see is the bulk of the generations following us have no interest in the physical world.   They don’t have newspapers, magazines, books and get what little information they crave from Facebook or other “social media”. They have very little knowledge of or interest in History or anything outside of their own lives. Even their interactions with other people are increasingly electronic, avoiding the nasty burden of actually having to interact with others and listen while they are talking.

Our Hobby, even in the Ready to Run Accumulation Checkbook Hobbyist end of things, requires thought, patience, planning and a whole host of skills that are increasingly lacking in modern society.

Your mention of your dad making an English Wheel to form cardboard is a great example of lost arts.   Just browse through old “Popular Mechanics” or “Mechanic’s Illustrated” magazines and try to think of somebody under 40 that could begin to understand or want to do any of the projects that appeared every month.   Now “Popular Mechanics” is more like a Sharper Image catalog of all the latest trendy technology products that are available with no projects worth mentioning.

Things tend to work in cycles and hopefully there will be a counter movement away from the total dependence on technology in every aspect of life back to it being a viewed as a tool.

The good news is that our Hobby is such a small part of the general population that even if the target audience shrinks we still have room to grow, but it will take us going out and bringing people into the fold.   If each of us “recruited” one or two new people into Model Railroading we could double the size of the Hobby…..and insure that our trains would be passed on to someone who will value them.

Charlie Vlk

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:31 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Just a thought

This talk of tariffs, manufacturing, and now a suspected MTH "sell off" over the past few months got me to thinking. (Always dangerous.) And not just about S scale/gauge, but all of the hobby and where we're headed. There are those who have gone into "Panic Mode" and talk "Doom and Gloom." And there are those who say the hobby is in great shape and there is no problem. As common sense might tell us, the reality is somewhere in between.

Yes, young folks are not getting interested in the numbers the overall hobby needs. But what ARE they interested in? Yes, prices are ridiculous and working against attracting new people. But the costs of manufacture are too high for small production runs, and large runs create an "overstock" situation. S is a "minority scale" and pretty much always has been, so perhaps we see the "end is near" situation more acutely.

On the other hand, take a look at this hobby fifty or sixty years ago. We had toy trains that were "Ready To Run" but scale model trains were available mostly as kits. Hobby tools and supplies were what you could find or what could be adapted for the required model use. I remember my Dad (who taught me) using Cheerios for model vehicle tires and building his own English Wheel to form card stock into compound curves just as car body men did with sheet metal.

Maybe we should consider "turning back the clock" as a way to survive? We've all become too used to the conveniences and R-T-R products with all the bells and whistles (literally.) Perhaps too many of us have become "checkbook" hobbyists? We no longer have the patience or skills to be "model" railroaders, because "we want it all NOW." This wasn't what the hobby was back when I started.

Will the overall hobby die with the "Baby Boomers" or will it simply "downsize" and "change direction?" Do we just give up, sell off all our stuff at a huge loss and stare at the TV or social media for the rest of our lives? As I have said before, that's not a healthy attitude. It doesn't do us or the hobby any good.

This may be just and evolutionary situation we must adapt to. No matter what happens, I intend to "play with my trains" until I'm looking at the grass from the side with the roots.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80856	From: Edward Davis	Date: 8/9/2018
Subject: Re: Just a thought

Stumpy I DO see the light at the end of the tunnel, and the train is running ts last miles. Every club visit I've done internet sites and whatever shows the majority far older people, so I'm on your wavelength. I have the same gripe about prices but then there are people paying them and wanting the best of everything. Once a year I may get lucky and sell of a surplus set, or get a repair job. I'm in an area of nearly half a million pop. and growing and results are nearly zilch, 3 years doing Craiglslist, word of mouth and here and there an ad on this site. Train meets [500 miles away] not much better and a lot of other sellers in the same boat.

For me I prefer the original stuff nice and simple and no electronics.. here and there I buy some sacrifice stuff that someone else can't sell either and ope for connections, rarely pay off.

I did some Athearn great stuff for the then prices HO 15-20 years ago, gave it up since I didn't have much fun with smaller trains.. ran them on same layout as the HO.. then replaced the HO with common Lionel, and love it and the Flyer.. now not even low budget HO. I repainted some poor shape Lionel and FLyer cars for fallen flags and schemes that weren't available in tinplate.. still little success thinning out thinking there were people who'd want them without paying $50-60 per car.

Another world now, and generally made up of have mores and have nots. Sad, I wish things were more fair for people now. But enjoy what I have what else do why do thats why we're here even if we'd like the outside world to be better [and for us too] Ed Davis

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 10:22 AM, rinphoto@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Good point.

I have often thought that there might be a place for something similar to the old Gilbert All Aboard panels in this plug and play world. Marklin sells them, and I believe Lionel has a sort-kinda version.. My guess is that an enterprising entrepreneur might be able to get the panels made for cheap offshore ( I know, I know-by American), and could be manufactured for modular use-start small and add panels later.

Roy Inman

On 08/09/2018 10:25 AM, 'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Stumpy-

This discussion comes up in all the lists and boards.

The cost of Model Railroading, while seemingly outrageous to anyone who is retired on a fixed income, is not much of consideration in the overall picture of people coming into the Hobby.

When you look at what percentage of a monthly paycheck American Flyer sets represented “back in the day” you’ll see that the price of trains hasn’t changed much over the years.

When professional sports cost in excess of $200 to see a game or what people pay for cable packages to watch them at home trains look pretty good for the number of hours of enjoyment they yield per dollar over the years.

The main problem I see is the bulk of the generations following us have no interest in the physical world.   They don’t have newspapers, magazines, books and get what little information they crave from Facebook or other “social media”. They have very little knowledge of or interest in History or anything outside of their own lives. Even their interactions with other people are increasingly electronic, avoiding the nasty burden of actually having to interact with others and listen while they are talking.

Our Hobby, even in the Ready to Run Accumulation Checkbook Hobbyist end of things, requires thought, patience, planning and a whole host of skills that are increasingly lacking in modern society.

Your mention of your dad making an English Wheel to form cardboard is a great example of lost arts.   Just browse through old “Popular Mechanics” or “Mechanic’s Illustrated” magazines and try to think of somebody under 40 that could begin to understand or want to do any of the projects that appeared every month.   Now “Popular Mechanics” is more like a Sharper Image catalog of all the latest trendy technology products that are available with no projects worth mentioning.

Things tend to work in cycles and hopefully there will be a counter movement away from the total dependence on technology in every aspect of life back to it being a viewed as a tool.

The good news is that our Hobby is such a small part of the general population that even if the target audience shrinks we still have room to grow, but it will take us going out and bringing people into the fold.   If each of us “recruited” one or two new people into Model Railroading we could double the size of the Hobby…..and insure that our trains would be passed on to someone who will value them.

Charlie Vlk

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:31 AM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Just a thought

This talk of tariffs, manufacturing, and now a suspected MTH "sell off" over the past few months got me to thinking. (Always dangerous.) And not just about S scale/gauge, but all of the hobby and where we're headed. There are those who have gone into "Panic Mode" and talk "Doom and Gloom." And there are those who say the hobby is in great shape and there is no problem. As common sense might tell us, the reality is somewhere in between.

Yes, young folks are not getting interested in the numbers the overall hobby needs. But what ARE they interested in? Yes, prices are ridiculous and working against attracting new people. But the costs of manufacture are too high for small production runs, and large runs create an "overstock" situation. S is a "minority scale" and pretty much always has been, so perhaps we see the "end is near" situation more acutely.

On the other hand, take a look at this hobby fifty or sixty years ago. We had toy trains that were "Ready To Run" but scale model trains were available mostly as kits. Hobby tools and supplies were what you could find or what could be adapted for the required model use. I remember my Dad (who taught me) using Cheerios for model vehicle tires and building his own English Wheel to form card stock into compound curves just as car body men did with sheet metal.

Maybe we should consider "turning back the clock" as a way to survive? We've all become too used to the conveniences and R-T-R products with all the bells and whistles (literally.) Perhaps too many of us have become "checkbook" hobbyists? We no longer have the patience or skills to be "model" railroaders, because "we want it all NOW." This wasn't what the hobby was back when I started.

Will the overall hobby die with the "Baby Boomers" or will it simply "downsize" and "change direction?" Do we just give up, sell off all our stuff at a huge loss and stare at the TV or social media for the rest of our lives? As I have said before, that's not a healthy attitude.. It doesn't do us or the hobby any good.

This may be just and evolutionary situation we must adapt to. No matter what happens, I intend to "play with my trains" until I'm looking at the grass from the side with the roots.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80857	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/9/2018
Subject: Re: Just a thought

The mention of an "English Wheel" reminded me that I built one from a
kit when restoring a Jaguar XK-E about 20 years ago. I needed it to
iron out wrinkles in the damaged bonnet, hood for the Americans.

I have many hobbies including woodworking, electronics, computers and
even teaching computer science classes at the local community college.

However, I am getting up there in years, 72 years old, and it becomes
less interesting for many of these hobbies.

My renewed interest in American Flyer is because I got many of the sets
I have from my dad during my childhood for birthdays and Christmas.

Like Stumpy, I will probably play with my trains until I am looking at
the grass from the other side.

I see too many of the millennials interested only in what they can do
with their smartphones and computers so I am not sure that 30 years from
now there will be much interest in toy trains or even scale model. Most
of the hobby stores don't seem to even carry many plastic car models
anymore.

Sad to say, I don't see a great future for the hobby.

But hey, even I am interested in technology much to the surprise of my
students. I even bought a Tesla Model 3 for my wife's birthday and that
is basically a computer running Linux on wheels. :-)

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80858	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/9/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Upcoming Products

All those June & July releases have taken place, except the Columbia Soups and Nevada Southern cars. I know nothing about those. The Bicycle cars for the 2019 convention were displayed at Boxboro. I wonder if Nevada Southern is some sort of "event" car too?

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
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Subject: [S-Scale] MTH Upcoming Products

According to this page on the MTH web site, they are planning on releasing some reefers in October:

https://mthtrains.com/shipping-schedule?field_catalog_tid=All&field_product_line_tid=6458&title=&field_shipped_date_value_op=word&field_shipped_date_value=&sort_by=field_shipped_date_value&sort_order=DESC&items_per_page=50

Two more "Bicycle Playing Cards" box cars are scheduled to come out soon (flagged as being for the 2019 NASG Convention).

Who knows; maybe they have just given up on creating a catalog...

- Peter.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80859	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 8/9/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Inventory reduction

Could it be to make room for new stuff? The F-3 manual states on the cover F-3 AND F-7. Guess we can only hope.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80860	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/12/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Upcoming Products

I inquired of MTH, and was told the following:

<<<<35-78027 is a club car. Part of MTHRRC membership this year

30-74016 and 30-74017 came and went

35-74018 not doing>>>>>>

On 8/9/2018 7:37 PM, Doug Peck wrote:

………..,

What can you tell me about these cars and availability?

35-74018

S Gauge MTH S Gauge Rebuilt Steel Box Car

ZZ Uncataloged Items

·         MTH S Gauge

·         Nevada Southern Railway

JUN. 2018

35-78027

S Gauge MTH S Gauge 40' Woodsided Reefer Car

EV 2018 Volume 1

·         MTH S Gauge

·         Columbia Soups

JUN. 2018

35-74016

Rebuilt Steel Box Car

EL 2016 Volume 1

·         MTH S Gauge

·         Long Island

JUN. 2018

35-74017

S Gauge MTH S Gauge Rebuilt Steel Box Car

ES 2017 Volume 1

·         MTH S Gauge

·         Chesapeake & Ohio

JUN. 2018

Doug Peck
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From: S-Scale@... <S-Scale@...> On Behalf Of Rich Gajnak
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:17 AM
To: S-Scale@...
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Upcoming Products

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 05:34 PM, Doug Peck wrote:

All those June & July releases have taken place, except the Columbia Soups and Nevada Southern cars. I know nothing about those. The Bicycle cars for the 2019 convention were displayed at Boxboro. I wonder if Nevada Southern is some sort of "event" car too?

The Nevada Southern car is a puzzle. The Nevada Southern is a tourist railroad and the only boxcar they have is a 40' plug/sliding door boxcar that's been converted into a generator car. TTOS is offering one as a 2017 convention car using a standard American Flyer boxcar duded up as a generator car with decals used for grills and vents (and 6 different numbers! The prototype car doesn't even carry a number!) Personally, I don't see a demand for such a specialized captive service car.

Maybe TTOS got tired of waiting and cancelled an MTH order for the car.

Rich G(ajnak)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80861	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 8/14/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Upcoming Products

I also asked MTH and received this reply:

Dear Mr. Lampe,

Thank you for your online submission expressing your concern about the
recent discounting of S Gauge products and how that may portend M.T.H.'s
future S Gauge direction. We certainly appreciate your interest in our S
Gauge products and future direction and look forward to your continued
support of M.T.H. Electric Trains.

M.T.H. is currently developing our 2019 S Gauge production plans with a
promotional catalog planned for later this year. The current discounted
products are left over inventory from our initial rolling stock releases of
several years ago. We're still committed to the product line and recently
received two new S Gauge Box Cars featuring Norfolk Southern
<https://mthtrains.com/35-74024>Veteran's and
<https://mthtrains.com/35-74023>First Responders deco.

Sincerely,

Andy Edleman
Vice President - Marketing
M.T.H. Electric Trains

Hopefully this will put everyone's mind at ease, including my own, about what is happening. In my reply I asked about suggestions for future models but have not gotten a reply yet.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80862	From: chuck_7612	Date: 8/14/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Upcoming Products

I was told the exact same thing about 2018 when I spoke to their VP that attended the 2017 NASG convention.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80863	From: EdSauers	Date: 8/18/2018
Subject: Product availability question

Group.

I am planning a AF layout and want to elevate one of the tracks, this track would all be at the same elevation so my question is "are there any track supports available that would provide the support for this track. I need about 18 supports so buying 18 trestle sets (if I could find that Many) is not feasible. I am using vintage flyer track!!!

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80864	From: poniaj	Date: 8/18/2018
Subject: Re: Product availability question

Ed,

Gilbert made a "high trestle" set that consisted of a number of the highest trestles in the basic set. I cannot remember the number or years made and I am ready to get out for the day so I can't post them. Perhaps others on this list can help with that. But they're out there. Baring that, you could make up some that resemble them in wood. I purchased a number of the highest trestles years ago at a hobby shop that had boxes of parts. There were more high trestles than any other ones. Some of them are pictures here:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80865	From: bigsticks1@aol.com	Date: 8/18/2018
Subject: Re: Product availability question

Can I answer this?

1. What size is you layout going to be?

2. Depending on the size, you could easily make the supports out of 1x4" pine boards. Or you cut up a piece of 3/4" plywood.

You would have to make the supports to height you'd want to have. Less of course the perpendicular base of your support piece of wood, and of course he top support of

your riser. (the top of the riser would, or should be angled to the slope of the top of the riser.) Then I'd suggest you cut a lot of 3/4" by 1/8" splines and glue them together in

place with 3/4" pieces of wood as spacers so you don't have to use a lot of spline, (2pcs of spline, a block every 8" to a foot, 3 pcs. of spline, another block of wood and finish

up with 2 more pieces of spline), (you might have to use three pieces of spline on the outside or increase the width of the blocks of wood to gain the width you'd want to

support your sub-roadbed), where you want the track to go. This is really easy if you have the saw.

Then you can glue down your sub-roadbed, (using strips of 3/4" Homosote 3/4" wide. (3/4" wide so you can bend it like the spline.),(or wider if needed). This is very dusty

so enclose your saw or do it outside. You could also bevel the part of the Homosote that would be the outside of your sub-roadbed.

Then the other point would be, in my opinion, if your layout is going to be large enough (say 12' or larger), you could make a track rising up to that second lever so your

train can cross over the lower level a few times. You could, (if you have enough room), create a down ramp too.It would take .25" divided by 12" of length to gain a rise per

foot to get a 2% grade. So this is why you would need a lot of length to your layout. a 3% grade could be used also if you choose for an A/F layout.

Hope this helps!!

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Subject: [S-Trains] Product availability question

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80866	From: EdSauers	Date: 8/18/2018
Subject: Re: Product availability question

Jerry,

that's what I am looking for. Thanks will have to do some research on the AF High Set number.

Thanks

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Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Product availability question

Ed,

Gilbert made a "high trestle" set that consisted of a number of the highest trestles in the basic set. I cannot remember the number or years made and I am ready to get out for the day so I can't post them. Perhaps others on this list can help with that. But they're out there. Baring that, you could make up some that resemble them in wood. I purchased a number of the highest trestles years ago at a hobby shop that had boxes of parts. There were more high trestles than any other ones. Some of them are pictures here:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80867	From: EdSauers	Date: 8/18/2018
Subject: Re: Product availability question

Bigsticks,

there will be no grade, all track will be on the same elevation. I am looking for a simple solution....not interested in building up splines but don't have a problem making them out of wood if I don't need a woodworking shop to do them.

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Sent: 8/18/2018 8:33:35 AM

Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Product availability question

Can I answer this?

1. What size is you layout going to be?

2. Depending on the size, you could easily make the supports out of 1x4" pine boards. Or you cut up a piece of 3/4" plywood.

    You would have to make the supports to height you'd want to have. Less of course the perpendicular base of your support piece of wood, and of course he top support of

    your riser. (the top of the riser would, or should be angled to the slope of the top of the riser.) Then I'd suggest you cut a lot of 3/4" by 1/8" splines and glue them together in

    place with 3/4" pieces of wood as spacers so you don't have to use a lot of spline, (2pcs of spline, a block every 8" to a foot, 3 pcs. of spline, another block of wood and finish

    up with 2 more pieces of spline), (you might have to use three pieces of spline on the outside or increase the width of the blocks of wood to gain the width you'd want to

    support your sub-roadbed), where you want the track to go. This is really easy if you have the saw.

    Then you can glue down your sub-roadbed, (using strips of 3/4" Homosote 3/4" wide. (3/4" wide so you can bend it like the spline.),(or wider if needed). This is very dusty

    so enclose your saw or do it outside. You could also bevel the part of the Homosote that would be the outside of your sub-roadbed.

   Then the other point would be, in my opinion, if your layout is going to be large enough (say 12' or larger), you could make a track rising up to that second lever so your

    train can cross over the lower level a few times. You could, (if you have enough room), create a down ramp too.It would take .25" divided by 12" of length to gain a rise per

    foot to get a 2% grade. So this is why you would need a lot of length to your layout. a 3% grade could be used also if you choose for an A/F layout.

    Hope this helps!!

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Subject: [S-Trains] Product availability question

Group.

I am planning a AF layout and want to elevate one of the tracks, this track would all be at the same elevation so my question is "are there any track supports available that would provide the support for this track. I need about 18 supports so buying 18 trestle sets (if I could find that Many) is not feasible. I am using vintage flyer track!!!

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80868	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/18/2018
Subject: Re: Product Availability Question

Another possibility which I have been using since 1999 is extruded styrofoam insulation board (NOT the white packaging "bead board.") It comes in either one inch or two inch thickness, and in four by four or four by eight foot sheets. I use it as my layout base for building train show layouts to fit on folding tables. It also works very well for elevated areas on the layout.

For grades, you might try Woodland Scenics styrofoam grade strips. For constant elevations, you could cut strips of support from the extruded styrofoam insulation board sheets. I use a large kitchen knife, or for bigger jobs a hand saw or saber saw. If you want to make something out of it that is higher, you can glue it together with any non-solvent based glue such as silicone or even white glue.

As a bonus, this material works well for other purposes. I carve it with a kitchen knife and glue tote together to make light weight hills for portable scenery to travel with the layouts. I can make them any size or shape and make the same layout look different for each show. You can also carve bricks into it or other surface details. And it's basic texture looks a lot like both concrete or asphalt or adobe walls.

Always remember that this is an extruded foam material and that solvent (oil) based paints and glues will dissolve it. Latex paints work great and you can have a paint store mix the exact color you want. I Match it to Woodland Scenics ground foam grasses and weeds, use a medium light gray for roads, and other colors for other uses.

It's a neat product that I am still discovering imaginative uses for. Model railroaders and diorama builders have used it for years. It's worth looking into. For examples of my work with it check out my model train website at" http://stonerails.weebly.com and just select the pages for the scale you want.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80869	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/18/2018
Subject: Re: Product availability question

The Hi-Trestle set was number 783 made from 1953 to 1956. In 1957, it was sold as number 26783. Both are, of course, shown on the Gilbert Gallery website:

<http://www.thegilbertgallery.org/Accessory%20Gallery/accessories_bridges3.html>

Bob Graves

TheGilbertGallery.org

On Aug 18, 2018, at 5:22 AM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ed,

Gilbert made a "high trestle" set that consisted of a number of the highest trestles in the basic set. I cannot remember the number or years made and I am ready to get out for the day so I can't post them. Perhaps others on this list can help with that. But they're out there. Baring that, you could make up some that resemble them in wood. I purchased a number of the highest trestles years ago at a hobby shop that had boxes of parts. There were more high trestles than any other ones. Some of them are pictures here:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80870	From: EdSauers	Date: 8/18/2018
Subject: Re: Product availability question

Bob,

Thanks, Now the trick is to find them!!!

Ed Sauers

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Product availability question

The Hi-Trestle set was number 783 made from 1953 to 1956. In 1957, it was sold as number 26783. Both are, of course, shown on the Gilbert Gallery website:

<http://www.thegilbertgallery.org/Accessory%20Gallery/accessories_bridges3.html>

Bob Graves

TheGilbertGallery.org

On Aug 18, 2018, at 5:22 AM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ed,

Gilbert made a "high trestle" set that consisted of a number of the highest trestles in the basic set.. I cannot remember the number or years made and I am ready to get out for the day so I can't post them. Perhaps others on this list can help with that. But they're out there. Baring that, you could make up some that resemble them in wood. I purchased a number of the highest trestles years ago at a hobby shop that had boxes of parts. There were more high trestles than any other ones. Some of them are pictures here:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80871	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 8/18/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Upcoming Products

I emailed MTH with some suggestions for future locomotives in S. I got this in reply.

Dear Mr. Lampe,

Thank you for your online submission expressing your interest in seeing the
below cited S Gauge suggestions appear in a future M.T.H. catalog. Many of
these items have already appeared in our O Scale and HO product lines
making them great candidates for release in S.

My suggestions were GP 7's and 9's with and without dynamic brakes. GE C truck U-boats 25,28, 30 and 33. SD-45, and GP38-2. I didn't mention the U-36C as it is virtually identical to the U-33C. The differences were internal. I know I missed a lot and in particular steam locomotives. If anyone has suggestions for anything, not just locomotives, MTH welcomes them.

Bob Lampe

Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80872	From: tennsgauger	Date: 8/18/2018
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH Upcoming Products

I would like to see GP7s decorated for Southern RR in the black tuxedo scheme.

- Earl Henry

Sent from my iPhone Earl Henry, Jr

On Aug 18, 2018, at 4:47 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I emailed MTH with some suggestions for future locomotives in S. I got this in reply.

Dear Mr. Lampe,

Thank you for your online submission expressing your interest in seeing the
below cited S Gauge suggestions appear in a future M.T.H. catalog. Many of
these items have already appeared in our O Scale and HO product lines
making them great candidates for release in S.

My suggestions were GP 7's and 9's with and without dynamic brakes. GE C truck U-boats 25,28, 30 and 33. SD-45, and GP38-2. I didn't mention the U-36C as it is virtually identical to the U-33C. The differences were internal. I know I missed a lot and in particular steam locomotives. If anyone has suggestions for anything, not just locomotives, MTH welcomes them.
Bob Lampe
Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80873	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/19/2018
Subject: Re: Product Availability--high trestles

Ed,

It all depends on what you want it to look like; Pine blocks can do a great job, especially if you cut some 1/4” plywood about the width of the ties to go under the track. Then you can place the blocks almost wherever you want them, though I’d keep them close to 10” apart (one full track length). Also, the L trestles can work too, although you may have to fiddle with getting them to fit under the AF ties. Track locks will keep the track together. You might check with HSS, they had a LOT of Trestles from the factory sale. Of course, that was a long time ago, so. . . .

You can paint the pine blocks grey to look like concrete. Same with the plywood. OR you could use small sticks (popsicle sticks?) to make trestle bents; set up a fixture to make many copies. This will take a bit of time though.

David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80874	From: poniaj	Date: 8/19/2018
Subject: Re: Product availability question

Attachments :

Passenger trains.jpg

MR obs.jpg

from trestle.jpg

Ed,

I got quite a few hight trestles at swap meets, but I also needed some other kind to have trains run parallel under a track, so I made up a pattern and cut some wooden ones to make those in the photos. I no longer have that layout, so better photos aren't happening. Look for the two different ones, plus the "custom" ones:

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80875	From: Edward Davis	Date: 8/19/2018
Subject: Re: Product Availability--high trestles

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I might share my method of building elevated rail lines.. mine is double track and in one area triple. Unlikely you could get enough pen shanks to do it likely would want to use H columns instead. and some cabinet hardware pieces wish I knew what they call them, about 14/-3/8 square and beveled thickness of a good height, bases for columns. They are a greyish in appearance. Home Depot or similar place.

For deck I use 1x6 pine for double track[1x4 for single?] AND HOPE ONE CAN FIND GOOD PIECES WITHOUT WARPS] and drlli holes for 'sinker" nails to go thru and into the BIC pencil shape pen shanks. I would guess you'd like something more realistic.. but paint black or other desired color and cut to desired lengths. Enough to clear trains underneath or crossing. Stick nails thru narrower holes. and glue bases on with some cement that wil hold to the base material, tricky. Get some Atlas HO flatcar load girders and cut beveled ends off for mounting.. and glue to side of deck. Carpet cement works nicely and removable. It all sounds pesty but looks good, oh and pant deck first before using. Hope pic came out OK.Another Ed, Davis Boise ID

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 6:22 AM 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ed,

It all depends on what you want it to look like; Pine blocks can do a great job, especially if you cut some 1/4” plywood about the width of the ties to go under the track. Then you can place the blocks almost wherever you want them, though I’d keep them close to 10” apart (one full track length). Also, the L trestles can work too, although you may have to fiddle with getting them to fit under the AF ties. Track locks will keep the track together. You might check with HSS, they had a LOT of Trestles from the factory sale. Of course, that was a long time ago, so. . . .

You can paint the pine blocks grey to look like concrete. Same with the plywood. OR you could use small sticks (popsicle sticks?) to make trestle bents; set up a fixture to make many copies. This will take a bit of time though.

David D.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80876	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/19/2018
Subject: Re: Product Availability--high trestles

Gilbert used these trestles extensively in their display layouts, and you can see numerous examples on the americanflyerdisplays.org website. For a unique use of the pine blocks (or possibly the abutment set) and the trestles for a very high line, see a new photo I just posted of the display layout from 1959-60 at the Toy center at 200 5th Ave. in New York. http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ghos/200-5th_Ave.htm

Dale Smith

On 8/19/2018 12:11 AM, 'David Dewey' djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Ed,

It all depends on what you want it to look like; Pine blocks can do a great job, especially if you cut some 1/4” plywood about the width of the ties to go under the track. Then you can place the blocks almost wherever you want them, though I’d keep them close to 10” apart (one full track length). Also, the L trestles can work too, although you may have to fiddle with getting them to fit under the AF ties. Track locks will keep the track together. You might check with HSS, they had a LOT of Trestles from the factory sale. Of course, that was a long time ago, so. . . .

You can paint the pine blocks grey to look like concrete. Same with the plywood. OR you could use small sticks (popsicle sticks?) to make trestle bents; set up a fixture to make many copies. This will take a bit of time though.

David D.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80877	From: Paul Schilling	Date: 8/19/2018
Subject: Re: Product availability question [3 Attachments]

As I think an earlier post mentioned, try Woodland Scenics risers/elevated roadways. Get the instruction book - a great help. I know it works on S because it on my layout.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:08 AM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ed,

I got quite a few hight trestles at swap meets, but I also needed some other kind to have trains run parallel under a track, so I made up a pattern and cut some wooden ones to make those in the photos. I no longer have that layout, so better photos aren't happening. Look for the two different ones, plus the "custom" ones:

Jerry

<Passenger trains.jpg>

<from trestle.jpg>

<MR obs.jpg>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80878	From: EdSauers	Date: 8/19/2018
Subject: Re: Product availability question

Paul,

Thanks, I'll check it out.

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Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Product availability question

As I think an earlier post mentioned, try Woodland Scenics risers/elevated roadways. Get the instruction book - a great help. I know it works on S because it on my layout.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:08 AM, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ed,

I got quite a few hight trestles at swap meets, but I also needed some other kind to have trains run parallel under a track, so I made up a pattern and cut some wooden ones to make those in the photos. I no longer have that layout, so better photos aren't happening. Look for the two different ones, plus the "custom" ones:

Jerry

<Passenger trains.jpg>

<from trestle.jpg>

<MR obs.jpg>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80879	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/20/2018
Subject: Arduino based AF 769 beacon

I just uploaded another video to YouTube for an American Flyer 769
beacon tower project: https://youtu.be/ZJTCgxkEQyU

This one is more of a kit-bashing project as I had a few towers in
various stages of disrepair and decided to make one that was driven by a
motor instead of heat.

The motor is a small 5 volt stepper motor as used to wave AC louvers up
and down in room air conditioners.

The Arduino chip just causes this to turn at about 6 revolutions per
minute which seemed about right.

The biggest challenge was lighting the beacon so I made a column of two
brass rings with 20 surface mount LED's soldered to them. This just
slips over the original tower top.

I'll make up a more descriptive web page to help others that want to
duplicate the project but since I teach 3 computer classes starting
Thursday, it may be a week or so before I can provide a link.

I hope these projects inspire others in the hobby to explore ways to add
realism to their layouts.

If so, pleas subscribe to my channel for future project updates.

This project took longer than I hoped because I've had a lot going on
during the last month or so what with buying my wife a new Tesla car and
numerous repair projects around the house.

What's the old joke, when you are a homeowner you don't live in the
house, you live at the hardware store and just sleep in the house! :-)

My long delayed layout project is still on hold but i hope to have that
going in a month or so.

George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80880	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/20/2018
Subject: The new Lionel 2018 Catalog #2.......and AF in it

The new catalog was just released, and can be seen on the lionel.com website.

We are already receiving and accepting reservations for any of the AF items on pages 70-76. Engines will be available at 15% discount, and cars at 20% discount. Minimal deposits required, if any at all. This advance-order discount pricing expires two days before I have to submit my final order…..I don’t know that date yet, but it is usually about 30-40 days after the catalog is released.

Email me with any questions, or reservations. Thanks.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80881	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/20/2018
Subject: Re: The new Lionel 2018 Catalog #2.......and AF in it

Lionel Trains Catalog

On Monday, August 20, 2018, 9:05:41 PM EDT, Doug Peck doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The new catalog was just released, and can be seen on the lionel.com website.

We are already receiving and accepting reservations for any of the AF items on pages 70-76. Engines will be available at 15% discount, and cars at 20% discount. Minimal deposits required, if any at all.. This advance-order discount pricing expires two days before I have to submit my final order…..I don’t know that date yet, but it is usually about 30-40 days after the catalog is released.

Email me with any questions, or reservations. Thanks.

Doug Peck
Port Lines Hobby Supply
6 Storeybrooke Drive
Newburyport, MA 01950-3408
doug@...
www.portlines.com
Phone Order Hours - Monday through Thursday: 2-5 PM (EST) only. No other availability.
Toll-free: 1-888-708-0782
VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL-CHECK-MONEY-ORDER Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80882	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/21/2018
Subject: AF Accessory Questions

I have been thinking off and on about old Gilbert American Flyer accessories over the past couple of years. It seems to me that if I can rebuild old steam locos, I might be able to start working with some of the operating accessories. But the engineering is quite different and I'm not sure what to look for to begin this adventure. So here's a few beginner questions:

What were the most common Gilbert accessories?

Which are the simplest mechanically?

Which ones seem to operate the best with the least trouble?

I'm sure there will be more questions as I get into this area further. Thanks for your help in advance.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80883	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 8/21/2018
Subject: Re: AF Accessory Questions

Stumpy,

I think the Animated Stock Yard and Billboard Whistles are some of the most common accessories. They are both relatively simple mechanically.

Daryl

On 8/21/2018 11:35 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:

I have been thinking off and on about old Gilbert American Flyer accessories over the past couple of years. It seems to me that if I can rebuild old steam locos, I might be able to start working with some of the operating accessories. But the engineering is quite different and I'm not sure what to look for to begin this adventure. So here's a few beginner questions:

What were the most common Gilbert accessories?

Which are the simplest mechanically?

Which ones seem to operate the best with the least trouble?

I'm sure there will be more questions as I get into this area further. Thanks for your help in advance.

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80884	From: poniaj	Date: 8/21/2018
Subject: Re: AF Accessory Questions

Stumpster,

I can't imagine the Mad Basher could have ANY problems with any Gilbert accessory!

But in addition to the ones suggested, I'd also add the operating mail car, the animated caboose, and oil drum loader.

I've bashed and created a different oil drum loader that mimics the action of the animated station/cow loader in that oil drums go up the ramp which has a bubble light and large oil storage tank with a red light on top. It's based on a working (?) prototype made back in the day, but never produced. I made it out of sheet metal. The little man was made of Sculpy material and instead of using a water tower tank I used an old coffee can and a lid I got at the Salvation Army.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80885	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/21/2018
Subject: AF collection for sale

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I am still trying to sell my American Flyer collection. Nothing rare that I know of or in superior condition. It is all a collection of runners. My PA set is probably the nicest of them all. If you are near South Jersey I welcome you to come over and look at them. I also have a 275w ZW for sale. There is a new camera body I want so I could be a bit more of a motivated seller than I have been previously. I really want to avoid trying CraigsList. There is some crazies there, and eBay is just flooded with AF.

**Please reply directly**.

I was pretty surprised this group has not moved to IO yet.

See my layout progress at:

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80886	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 8/22/2018
Subject: Re: Arduino based AF 769 beacon

Sounds like an awesome project. The beacons are touchy suckers.

CHris

On Monday, August 20, 2018, 9:05:30 PM EDT, George Cohn gwcohn@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80887	From: poniaj	Date: 8/23/2018
Subject: Gilbert F-9 Help

I've always been a tinkerer in S, and my interests (as some of you know) run from fine scale S to the last gasps of the A.C. Gilbert company. That being said, a while ago I picked up a Gilbert Santa Fe 21206, 21206-1 AA set of F-9s (in pieces). I have also picked up a few spare parts over the years. I have the motor running quite well, but in trying finish assembling the power unit, it seems like the bottom plate assembly doesn't quite fit. The one in the bottom photo is one of the two from the dummy A unit. But it will only fit on the power truck if I do some judicious bending of the bottom plate, and I hesitate to do that since it may not even work then. So my question is: Are there two different bottom plate assemblies for these F-9s? The dummy A unit has all the parts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80888	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/23/2018
Subject: 26435 Accessory Pack

I received an inquiry from someone who came across a box with this label on it. Does anybody know what was in that accessory pack? It’s not in any of my books.

The box number is B2N883, which is listed in Bob Tuft’s book, but Bob didn’t know its contents.

Bob Graves
TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80889	From: poniaj	Date: 8/23/2018
Subject: Re: Gilbert F-9 Help

Attachments :

F-9 motor.JPG

F-9 bottom plate.JPG

Half my original message got cut off and the photos didn't come through. I'll try again with the photos as attachments. If they don't come through.... oh well.

Jerry

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80890	From: Lanier	Date: 8/24/2018
Subject: Re: Gilbert F-9 Help [2 Attachments]

Attachments :

6BBFA834D35E45E187C3AF5E19FA0E07.png

Got the photos but don’t know what the question is.

paflyrman

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: poniaj@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 11:21 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert F-9 Help [2 Attachments]

Half my original message got cut off and the photos didn't come through. I'll try again with the photos as attachments. If they don't come through.... oh well.

Jerry

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80891	From: Thomas Kaufman	Date: 8/24/2018
Subject: Re: 26435 Accessory Pack

Jerry

Doug Peck at Portline Hobbies, has an F-9 truck cover that snaps on the truck assembly. No mention of a particular assembly specific for power or trailing trucks. It is listed on his website under American Flyer parts sub located under Diesels specifically the F9. Doug is pretty knowledgeable and does repond by email to ensure you get the specific particular part you need so you don't order unnecessary parts. I know you said you "tinker", so you might have a good idea what you are doing, but he offers repair service as well. Website is http://www.portlines.com/

Tom Kaufman

Seminole, FL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80892	From: poniaj	Date: 8/24/2018
Subject: Re: Gilbert F-9 Help [2 Attachments]

I had to post the photos separately since they didn't come through the first time. Here's the original message:

These F-9s are ugly, but in a way very interesting. It has always bothered me when a toy can't be brought back to life. I'd like to get this thing operational for no other reasons than it's a challenge and it would be cool to see running.

Jerry Poniatowski

Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80893	From: Edward Musil	Date: 8/24/2018
Subject: Re: Gilbert F-9 Help

Jerry,

I have found that the after market bottom plate doesn't fit very well. As you know the plate fits into the two slots and then slips over the bottom as a pressure fit.. I had to grind a bit off of my after market one to get it to fit. It never really fit that tight so I actually found an original one and used it on the F9 I was restoring. Who knows if Gilbert made one size bottom plate for the dummy and another for the power unit. I doubt it, but I really don't know.

Ed Musil

On Friday, August 24, 2018, 9:15:25 AM MDT, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I had to post the photos separately since they didn't come through the first time. Here's the original message:

I've always been a tinkerer in S, and my interests (as some of you know) run from fine scale S to the last gasps of the A.C. Gilbert company. That being said, a while ago I picked up a Gilbert Santa Fe 21206, 21206-1 AA set of F-9s (in pieces). I have also picked up a few spare parts over the years. I have the motor running quite well, but in trying finish assembling the power unit, it seems like the bottom plate assembly doesn't quite fit.. The one in the bottom photo is one of the two from the dummy A unit. But it will only fit on the power truck if I do some judicious bending of the bottom plate, and I hesitate to do that since it may not even work then. So my question is: Are there two different bottom plate assemblies for these F-9s? The dummy A unit has all the parts.

Jerry Poniatowski

Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80894	From: Lanier	Date: 8/24/2018
Subject: Re: Gilbert F-9 Help

Attachments :

4CE23C4D4B7449BE80D53BBF1D1C06CF.png

An original Gilbert parts listing for the F9s shows XA30A076 for bottom plates with coupler and XA30A077 for bottom plates without coupler.

paflyerman

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Edward Musil barnabusxx@... [S-Trains]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:34 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert F-9 Help

Jerry,

Ed Musil

On Friday, August 24, 2018, 9:15:25 AM MDT, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I had to post the photos separately since they didn't come through the first time. Here's the original message:

I've always been a tinkerer in S, and my interests (as some of you know) run from fine scale S to the last gasps of the A.C. Gilbert company. That being said, a while ago I picked up a Gilbert Santa Fe 21206, 21206-1 AA set of F-9s (in pieces). I have also picked up a few spare parts over the years. I have the motor running quite well, but in trying finish assembling the power unit, it seems like the bottom plate assembly doesn't quite fit.. The one in the bottom photo is one of the two from the dummy A unit. But it will only fit on the power truck if I do some judicious bending of the bottom plate, and I hesitate to do that since it may not even work then. So my question is: Are there two different bottom plate assemblies for these F-9s? The dummy A unit has all the parts.

Jerry Poniatowski

Wayne, MI

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 80895	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/24/2018
Subject: Re: Gilbert F-9 Help

As far as I know there are only two bottom plates….one with the knuckle coupler, and one without. I have originals of both on hand, although the one with the coupler is much harder to obtain.

And I have never heard of an aftermarket version of that plate. I can’t imagine anyone spending the money to create a tool to make it…….the need / demand of it could never justify it.

Finally, I have never run into a plate that I couldn’t fit onto the truck assembly, so I don’t know what’s up with yours, Jerry.

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From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:34 PM
To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert F-9 Help

Jerry,

Ed Musil

On Friday, August 24, 2018, 9:15:25 AM MDT, poniaj@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I had to post the photos separately since they didn't come through the first time. Here's the original message:

I've always been a tinkerer in S, and my interests (as some of you know) run from fine scale S to the last gasps of the A.C. Gilbert company. That being said, a while ago I picked up a Gilbert Santa Fe 21206, 21206-1 AA set of F-9s (in pieces). I have also picked up a few spare parts over the years. I have the motor running quite well, but in trying finish assembling the power unit, it seems like the bottom plate assembly doesn't quite fit.. The one in the bottom photo is one of the two from the dummy A unit. But it will only fit on the power truck if I do some judicious bending of the bottom plate, and I hesitate to do that since it may not even work then. So my question is: Are there two different bottom plate assemblies for these F-9s? The dummy A unit has all the parts.

Jerry Poniatowski

Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80896	From: poniaj	Date: 8/25/2018
Subject: Re: Gilbert F-9 Help

Doug,

Thanks for the help (all of you guys who answered too). Looking at the GIlbert parts list, they list three bottom plates. One for the power truck, one for a truck with no coupler and one with a truck with no coupler. So it LOOKS like there is some difference between the trucks with couplers. These locomotives really DON'T have an actual frame, but the individual trucks do. They're listed as "truck body assembly" The truck body assembly of the dummy trucks are a few thousandths wider than that of the power truck. The non power trucks have the bottom plate fitting inside the body assembly while the bottom plate will not fit inside the power truck's body assembly. I measured the power truck's truck body assembly, and it's a tad narrower due to the need of the bearings, which aren't on the dummy trucks.

Since I had an "extra" non power truck bottom plate without a coupler, I decided to modify it. After grinding off a few tabs, and narrowing the plate on the ends, the plate now fits along the bottom of the truck body assembly, while the ends go between the body assembly sides. The tabs keep it in place. I used a small screw and nut to attach a cobbled coupler arm and coupler to the bottom plate, and now it's running on the layout for the first time in at least 30 years, perhaps a lot more while towing a few Pikemaster cars. With the thick plastic and hollow body, it magnifies the grinding noise similar to the Gilbert Baldwins. I guess it's the nature of the beast. Ugly, but in an interesting way. The F-9s, not the Baldwins...

I'm still missing one side frame assembly, but you list both metal or resin side frames. So I guess I'll order one along with a few more restoration parts for myself and a few friends.

I picked up these AA units for a VERY cheap price, so if I have to invest a few more bucks, it's worth it. Maybe it was cheap because the previous owner had an odd locomotive and couldn't fix it. It was a pile of parts. These things are WAY out of scale, but they're worth having just for their historic value alone. At least to my way of thinking.

Jerry Poniatowski

Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80897	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/25/2018
Subject: The curse of Ground Foam

As many of you know, I've been a builder of things since I was a young model train guy. For about the last fifteen years, I have been doing train shows and other displays at shopping malls, car dealerships, and so on as well. This has required building new layouts almost every year in order to have something "new and fresh." But I have tired of this constant construction of layouts.

One of the problems is the growing costs, but a real aggravation is the Ground Foam "grass" that must be used. Since these layouts are stored, moved, stored, moved, over and over, I have fine green debris everywhere! In the vehicles, in the storage room, and everywhere in between!

It's a pain in the butt to apply, no matter what I try will not stay where it belongs. I apply it using straight white glue, not thinned as all the magazines tell you to. And I've tried over spraying it with matt medium and clear paint as well. But the "green debris" still follows me everywhere. I am experimenting with the new type of "grass mats" available, but keeping them stuck down is a problem and they "shed" too! All these products are fine for permanent home layouts, but portable layouts just get handled too much.

Currently, I'm sitting here looking at the S gauge layout I'm working on for the coming winters's events, and it is just painted green. I might not bother with "grass" at all. And thinking about this in another way, that might have TWO advantages; Number one, no "shedding" all over the place. And two, I can easily change the look by moving roads and structures around on the same layout so it looks different every year. This will eliminate continuous construction of new layouts.

So what do you think about my ground foam problem? Am I on the right track? Can I kill two birds with one Stone? ;-)

Stumpy Stone in Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 80898	From: EdSauers	Date: 8/25/2018
Subject: Vintage AF track spacing

Group,

What is the minimum track spacing for vintage AF track, both curves and parallel tracks please.

Thanks

Ed Sauers

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