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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73862	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR! "Prairie Dog" Part Five is posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73863	From: Michael Rector	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR! "Prairie Dog" Part Five is posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73864	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73865	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Multi-level layout guidance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73866	From: zemouse2001	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Bradford Dinner touch up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73867	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-level layout guidance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73868	From: mike jones	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: American Models Flex Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73869	From: zemouse2001	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-level layout guidance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73870	From: tennsgauger	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73871	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73872	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-level layout guidance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73873	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-level layout guidance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73874	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-level layout guidance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73875	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73876	From: Randall	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73877	From: poniaj	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73878	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Super Power Steam"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73879	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Ebay Alternative
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73880	From: mike jones	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73881	From: mike jones	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73882	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73883	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73884	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73885	From: calleytwo	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73886	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73887	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73888	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73889	From: johntech	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73890	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: [harrimanstandardlines] Franciscan Hobbies [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73891	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73892	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73893	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73894	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73895	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73896	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73897	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73898	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73899	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73900	From: semaphorsignal	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: S Helper Ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73901	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73902	From: zemouse2001	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73903	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73904	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73905	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73906	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later/ 3/16" O gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73907	From: Yahoo! Inc	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73908	From: calleytwo	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73909	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Plasticville Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73910	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Plasticville Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73911	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: S scale trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73912	From: doerryn	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73913	From: James Lyle	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Plasticville Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73914	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Plasticville Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73915	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: Plasticville Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73916	From: James Lyle	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: Plasticville Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73917	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73918	From: vito4cal	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 S West 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73919	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: 582/760 Highway Flashers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73920	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73921	From: wjjim2001	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73922	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/5/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73923	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73924	From: wjjim2001	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Trains In Paradise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73925	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73926	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/5/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73927	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/5/2014
Subject: Re: Trains In Paradise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73928	From: traindavid	Date: 1/5/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73929	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/5/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/5/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73930	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/5/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73931	From: semaphorsignal	Date: 1/6/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73932	From: scaler164	Date: 1/6/2014
Subject: WANTED : 21" Radius AM Curved Track Sections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73933	From: James Lyle	Date: 1/6/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED : 21" Radius AM Curved Track Sections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73934	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 1/6/2014
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73935	From: thecitrusbelt	Date: 1/7/2014
Subject: Coast Rails 2014 PCR Convention (Show Your Layout)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73936	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 1/7/2014
Subject: TMCC recommendations: was -> Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73937	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/8/2014
Subject: TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73938	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73939	From: George Dines	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: Lansing Train Show This Sunday 1/12/14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73940	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: Wood side or composite Gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73941	From: rick gough	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73942	From: traindavid	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: Latest response from MTH--mabye the long wait is over??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73943	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73944	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: woodsider composite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73945	From: Dale Reynolds	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: Wood side or composite Gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73946	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73947	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: woodsider composite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73948	From: traindavid	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73949	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: Wood side or composite Gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73950	From: Chris	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73951	From: alsflyer	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale - Not listed on Ebay.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73952	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: It's been a good week!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73953	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73954	From: calleytwo	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73955	From: scaler164	Date: 1/11/2014
Subject: SHS (AF) Wheels & Couplers For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73956	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/11/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/12/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73957	From: scaler164	Date: 1/12/2014
Subject: SHS (AF) Wheels & Couplers SOLD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73958	From: James Lyle	Date: 1/12/2014
Subject: New YouTube from PVMR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73959	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/12/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73960	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 1/12/2014
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73961	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/12/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/12/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73962	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Twacks and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73963	From: trndad	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Re: Twacks and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73964	From: William J Gill	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Re: Twacks and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73965	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Re: Twacks and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73966	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Re: DAVES TRACKS ETC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73967	From: bradyburdge	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73968	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Twacks and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73969	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Re: Twacks and Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73970	From: trndad	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73971	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Twacks n' Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73972	From: carl4flyer	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73973	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: AF A&P 4 wheel trailing truck (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73974	From: trndad	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73975	From: carl4flyer	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73976	From: JOHN	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Dave's Twacks & Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73977	From: Michael	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers attending WGH show in Oaks, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73978	From: traindavid	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Dave's twacks & twains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73979	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale GP38-2 for sale [3 Attachments]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73980	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale GP38-2 for sale [3 Attachments]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73981	From: richs009	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73982	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: AF A&P 4 wheel trailing truck (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73983	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: HELP (Off-Topic): Marklin AC HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73984	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: "Suethe style" smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73985	From: carl4flyer	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73986	From: rick gough	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: AF A&P 4 wheel trailing truck (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73987	From: rick gough	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73988	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: Dave's twacks & twains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73989	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE jan. 16
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73990	From: nwoodsnut	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73991	From: trndad	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73992	From: trndad	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73993	From: trndad	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73994	From: trndad	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Docksider Smoke Unit Modification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73995	From: trndad	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Docksider Smoke Unit Modification
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73996	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Small Semi-Vandy Tender (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73997	From: rick gough	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73998	From: Rick	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73999	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Miller Billboards and Rebuilding Whistles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74000	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/17/2014
Subject: Re: Miller Billboards and Rebuilding Whistles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74001	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/17/2014
Subject: Re: Miller Billboards and Rebuilding Whistles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74002	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 1/17/2014
Subject: Re: HELP (Off-Topic): Marklin AC HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74003	From: rick gough	Date: 1/17/2014
Subject: Re: Miller Billboards and Rebuilding Whistles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74004	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/18/2014
Subject: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74005	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/18/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74006	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/18/2014
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74007	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/18/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/19/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74008	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/18/2014
Subject: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74009	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74010	From: njma41	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74011	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74012	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Lionel Flyer SD 70
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74013	From: johntech	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74014	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/19/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74015	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Rex Critter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74016	From: afot7	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74018	From: rzuerlein2001	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74019	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74020	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74021	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Rex Critter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74022	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74023	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74024	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74025	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74026	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74027	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74028	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74029	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Of Topic: Enjoy your trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74030	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74031	From: Rick	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74032	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74033	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74034	From: rzuerlein2001	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74035	From: Chris	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74036	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74037	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74038	From: mike gardner	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: 732,932 metal doors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74039	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74040	From: Chris	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74041	From: mikenguy9	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74042	From: trndad	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74043	From: rick gough	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74044	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74045	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: 732,932 metal doors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74046	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale GP38-2 for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74047	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale GP38-2 for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74048	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74049	From: mike gardner	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: 732,932 metal doors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74050	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74051	From: srjaynes	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74052	From: traindavid	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74053	From: Dave	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74054	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74055	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74056	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74057	From: calleytwo	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74058	From: Dave	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74059	From: traindavid	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint & couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74060	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint & couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74061	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Putt Critter Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74062	From: Obie Bell	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Re couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74063	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: "This is S" NASG Dispatch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74064	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint & couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74065	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74066	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Re couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74068	From: poniaj	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74069	From: poniaj	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint & couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74070	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74071	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74072	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 23
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74073	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Re couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74074	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Removing paint - Thanks to Everyone Who Responded
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74075	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74076	From: trndad	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74077	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Magnetic crane parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74078	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West May 16-18, 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74079	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74080	From: trndad	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74081	From: snstrains	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West May 16-18, 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74082	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Fw: train set on craig's list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74083	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74084	From: David McBrayer	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74085	From: racin510	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74086	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Re couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74087	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Magnetic crane parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74088	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74089	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74090	From: rick gough	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74091	From: ee_train	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74092	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74093	From: Murrell & Kathy Johnson	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74094	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Magnetic crane parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74095	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: 732,932 metal doors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74096	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74097	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74098	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74099	From: traindavid	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question & lighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74100	From: richs009	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74101	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74102	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74103	From: R G	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74104	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74105	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74106	From: racin510	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74107	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74108	From: ee_train	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74109	From: richs009	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74110	From: rick gough	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74111	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74112	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74113	From: afot7	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Smoke Fan Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74114	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74115	From: carl4flyer	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Re: Smoke Fan Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74116	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/26/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74117	From: ee_train	Date: 1/26/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74118	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/26/2014
Subject: For sale: 3-digit Gilbert freights in 5-digit set boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74119	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/26/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/26/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74120	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/27/2014
Subject: Black wire track locks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74121	From: Daniel Waskes	Date: 1/27/2014
Subject: Re; fluorescent tubes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74122	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 1/27/2014
Subject: Re: Re; fluorescent tubes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74123	From: wb4hay	Date: 1/27/2014
Subject: AM FP-7 Tsunami installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74124	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: AM FP-7 Tsunami installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74125	From: Fred Alles	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Black wire track locks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74126	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Black wire track locks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74127	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: NE#W "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74128	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: AM FP-7 Tsunami installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74129	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: AM FP-7 Tsunami installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74130	From: rjk_socal	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74131	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74132	From: scaler164	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: WANTED : SHS PS-2 Hopper "PARTS"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74133	From: lx5043	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74134	From: amflyer336	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74135	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74136	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74137	From: daleminard	Date: 1/29/2014
Subject: LBR ENTERPRISES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74138	From: Ted Walton	Date: 1/29/2014
Subject: AF 596 water tank
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74139	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74140	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: Re: LBR ENTERPRISES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74141	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Jan. 30
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74142	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: Re: AF 596 water tank
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74143	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: Re: AF 596 water tank
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74144	From: Eric	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: NASG Bulletins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74145	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Bulletins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74146	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Pawn Stars AF Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74147	From: wjjim2001	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: Pawn Stars AF Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74148	From: alan smith	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: The Latest bashing Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74149	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: Pawn Stars AF Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74150	From: Bob Groh	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74151	From: srjaynes	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Need instructions for #26671 TracK Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74152	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: Pawn Stars AF Silver Bullet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74153	From: alan smith	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74154	From: Ted Walton	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: AF 596 water tank
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74155	From: wb4hay	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: AM FP-7 Tsunami installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74156	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Semi-Vandy Tender Shell (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74157	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: [AmericanFlyerTrains] Need instructions for #26671 Track Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74158	From: Eric	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: NASG Dispatches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74159	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74160	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74161	From: alan smith	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74162	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: Need instructions for #26671 TracK Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74163	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: UP GRADE YOUR AF BALDWIN ENGINE (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74164	From: alan smith	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74165	From: traindavid	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: water tank coil rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74166	From: alan smith	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: More fun in the world of bashing. Imagination at work !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74167	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: water tank coil rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74168	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Scratchbuilt S scale stock car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74169	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: More fun in the world of bashing. Imagination at work !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74170	From: richs009	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: water tank coil rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74171	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/2/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74172	From: Eric	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Dispatches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74173	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/2/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74174	From: poniaj	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: Re: More fun in the world of bashing. Imagination at work !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74175	From: Ted Walton	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: AF 596 water tank - Follow-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74176	From: zemouse2001	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: Re: water tank coil rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74177	From: zemouse2001	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: Re: AF 596 water tank - Follow-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74178	From: richs009	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: Re: water tank coil rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74179	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: Re: water tank coil rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74180	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: "Prairie Dog" Project Part Five
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74181	From: srjaynes	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Need instructions for #26671 TracK Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74182	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: List Plasticville Available, Will start to price, may consign or put
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74183	From: texas0717	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Lookin for S gauge in Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74184	From: jhwysopal	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Flionel electromagnetic crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74185	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Need instructions for #26671 TracK Trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74186	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74187	From: texas0717	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74188	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74189	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74190	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74191	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74192	From: James Lyle	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74193	From: thomas.kaufman@ymail.com	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74194	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74195	From: texas0717	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74196	From: mikenguy9	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74197	From: James Lyle	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Aircraft Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74198	From: frbpman	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74199	From: afot7	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Smoke Fan Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74200	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74201	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74202	From: snstrains	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74203	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74204	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74205	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74206	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74207	From: The Reardon's	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74208	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: MTH CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74209	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West - More Details plus a correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74210	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE "Worst Winter Ever?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74211	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74212	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74213	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74214	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74215	From: vu68	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74216	From: vu68	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74217	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74218	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 2/7/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West Registration Form 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74219	From: reujan2000	Date: 2/8/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74220	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/8/2014
Subject: AF SOUTHERN PACIFIC Freight Set Ends On Ebay Today At 5:13 EST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74221	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/8/2014
Subject: Re: AF SOUTHERN PACIFIC Freight Set Ends On Ebay Today At 5:13 EST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74222	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/8/2014
Subject: Re: AF SOUTHERN PACIFIC Freight Set Ends On Ebay Today At 5:13 EST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74223	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/8/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/9/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74224	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/9/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/9/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74225	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 2/10/2014
Subject: Modified A&P Side Rods (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74226	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 2/10/2014
Subject: 2014 Spring Nor-Cal Cal Stewart Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74227	From: snstrains	Date: 2/10/2014
Subject: Lehigh Valley Live Steam smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74228	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 2/11/2014
Subject: Looking For Geno for making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74229	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/11/2014
Subject: For Sale: Nicely Matched set of four Gilbert 96x red-striped streaml
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74230	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74231	From: trndad	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74232	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74233	From: jhannawald	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74234	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74235	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74236	From: tennsgauger	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74237	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74238	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74239	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74240	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74241	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74242	From: The Reardon's	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74243	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74244	From: rick gough	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement) [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74245	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: Looking For Geno for making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74246	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74247	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74248	From: texas0717	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74249	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Danica Question"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74250	From: trndad	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74251	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74252	From: Jim Eberhardy	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74253	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: MTH S Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74254	From: nycnkperie	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74255	From: herbw202	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74256	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74257	From: rick gough	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74258	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74259	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: Re: VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74260	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74261	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74262	From: guildt100	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74263	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: For sale: American Flyer by Lionel engine & cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74264	From: traindavid	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: MTH Club & Club car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74265	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club & Club car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74266	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/15/2014
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74267	From: reujan2000	Date: 2/15/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74268	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/15/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/16/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74269	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/16/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/16/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74270	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: Re: Looking For Geno for making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74271	From: reujan2000	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: SPECIAL ONE DAY AUCTIONS (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74272	From: wb4hay	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: Tsunami Leds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74273	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: Thomas Tank Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74274	From: mike gardner	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: 26671 track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74275	From: raulf.polichar	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: Re: Tsunami Led's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74276	From: srjaynes	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Re: 26671 track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74277	From: trndad	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Re: Thomas Tank Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74278	From: sralott2002	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Chester Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74279	From: mike gardner	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Re: 26671 track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74280	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Re: Looking For Geno for making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74281	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: plastic parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74282	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Re: plastic parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74283	From: lx5043	Date: 2/19/2014
Subject: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74284	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "China and American Hobbyists"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74285	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74286	From: traindavid	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74287	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74288	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74289	From: jfred436	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club & Club car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74290	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club & Club car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74291	From: Sam & Peggy	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74292	From: Eric	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Feb 20 SHS items For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74293	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Carl Tuveson's layout on I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74294	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74295	From: wmonaghan	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: shs nw-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74296	From: lx5043	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74297	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: New Event, 3/1/2014, 9:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74298	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: New product announcement - PFE Ice platform
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74299	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Ride in deteriorated neighborhood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74300	From: lx5043	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74301	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Re: Looking For Geno for making parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74302	From: Eric	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Re: Feb 20 SHS items For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74303	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: "World's Greatest Hobby" show (model trains)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74304	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: with web address this time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74305	From: scaler164	Date: 2/22/2014
Subject: Re: [ S-Scale-ProgreSSive ] New product announcement - PFE Ice platf
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74306	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/22/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/23/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74307	From: Mark Seibel	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Boiler Front
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74308	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Re: Boiler Front
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74309	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Re: Boiler Front
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74310	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/23/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74311	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Layout Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74312	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74313	From: reujan2000	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74314	From: marcella14612	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Re: [ S-Scale-ProgreSSive ] New product announcement - PFE Ice platf
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74315	From: richs009	Date: 2/24/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74316	From: lx5043	Date: 2/24/2014
Subject: Fish Paper / Track Insulator For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74317	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/24/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74318	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: derail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74319	From: wb4hay	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74320	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Feb. 27
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74321	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74322	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: Modified 5 Digit Engine Style Draw Bar (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74323	From: racin510	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74324	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: Re: derail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74325	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2014
Subject: Still lots of mint Lionel Flyer available!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74326	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/1/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74327	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/1/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74328	From: doerryn	Date: 3/2/2014
Subject: Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74329	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/2/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74330	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74331	From: richs009	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74332	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Semi-Vandy Tender Chassis (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74333	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Re: derail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74334	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74335	From: dpippitt@sbcglobal.net	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Lionel Mikado short circuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74336	From: rhicks308	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74337	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Derail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74338	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74339	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74340	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: AF GP7 Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74341	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74342	From: trndad	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74343	From: dpippitt@sbcglobal.net	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74344	From: trndad	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74345	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74346	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74347	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74348	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74349	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 3/5/2014
Subject: RFG Value Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74350	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new infor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74351	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74352	From: lx5043	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: RFG Value Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74353	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74354	From: whutton	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74355	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74356	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74357	From: herbw202	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74358	From: scaler164	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74359	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: "Out of the Woods"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74360	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74361	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West Car information & Registration form
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74363	From: lionely6b	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: RFG Value Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74364	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74365	From: snstrains	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: RFG Value Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74366	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: RFG Value Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74367	From: johntech	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: AF GP7 Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74368	From: rick gough	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: RFG Value Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74369	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: AF GP7 Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74370	From: dpippitt@sbcglobal.net	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74371	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-SAles" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74372	From: carl4flyer	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74373	From: dpippitt@sbcglobal.net	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74374	From: garydmccullah	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74375	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/9/2014, 4:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74376	From: SEMPER0@...	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: 18B Transformer Maintenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74377	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74378	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74379	From: richs009	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74380	From: richs009	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74381	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74382	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74383	From: racin510	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74384	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74385	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74386	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/9/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74387	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74388	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74389	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74390	From: johntech	Date: 3/10/2014
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74391	From: wb4hay	Date: 3/10/2014
Subject: SHS ACL pulpwood car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74393	From: lx5043	Date: 3/11/2014
Subject: Tie-Jector Car 25071
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74394	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/12/2014
Subject: For Sale: 36 years of S Gaugians
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74395	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74396	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: Tie-Jector Car 25071
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74397	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74398	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: "Stumpy Scale"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74399	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: "Stumpy Scale"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74400	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: "Stumpy Scale"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74401	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: "Stumpy Scale"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74402	From: bruce weidner	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74403	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74404	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: NEW Pre-1966 AF Northern White Decal Sets (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74405	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: NASG Web Site Minor Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74406	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74407	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: Re: "Stumpy Scale"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74408	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74409	From: bruce weidner	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: Photos of MTH boxcar(B&O)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74410	From: Frank	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74411	From: Frank	Date: 3/15/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74412	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 3/15/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74413	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/15/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74414	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 3/15/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74415	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/15/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/16/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74416	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/16/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/16/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74417	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/16/2014
Subject: Happy 3/16th Day!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74418	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/16/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74419	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/17/2014
Subject: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74420	From: tbbeqayah	Date: 3/18/2014
Subject: Re: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74421	From: tbbeqayah	Date: 3/18/2014
Subject: Re: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74422	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/18/2014
Subject: Re: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74423	From: jaytewilli	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: Re: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74424	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74425	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: Re: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74426	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: Downs coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74427	From: alhbaker	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: York TCA Show S Gauge Get-together?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74428	From: BARRY KING	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: Re: York TCA Show S Gauge Get-together?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74429	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/20/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for March 21
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74430	From: aftrains4u	Date: 3/21/2014
Subject: Santa Fe Nose Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74431	From: snstrains	Date: 3/21/2014
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Nose Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74432	From: lx5043	Date: 3/21/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74433	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/21/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74434	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/21/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74435	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74436	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74437	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: NEW AF Diesel Wheel Installation Tool (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74438	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/23/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74439	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: Spoke unit question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74440	From: snstrains	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: Smoke unit question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74441	From: lx5043	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74442	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74443	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74444	From: traindavid	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Smoke unit question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74445	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/23/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74446	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74447	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74448	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74449	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74450	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74451	From: racin510	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: Re: Spoke unit question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74452	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74453	From: lou342ac	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: 2014 AF Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74454	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: VANDERBILT TENDERS (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74455	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 AF Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74456	From: mikenguy9	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: Re: Spoke unit question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74457	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: NEW Electrical Contact Broadens Horizons For Kit Bashers (Advertise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74458	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: SHS Track Cleaning Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74459	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Track Cleaning Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74460	From: The Reardon's	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Track Cleaning Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74461	From: detmer5694	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Track Cleaning Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74462	From: detmer5694	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Track Cleaning Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74463	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: Why are early diesel bushings keyed?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74464	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/27/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: Needless Complication?"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74465	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 3/27/2014
Subject: Re: Why are early diesel bushings keyed?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74466	From: aleisen	Date: 3/27/2014
Subject: MP 54
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74467	From: racin510	Date: 3/27/2014
Subject: Re: Why are early diesel bushings keyed?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74468	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/27/2014
Subject: Re: Why are early diesel bushings keyed?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74469	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Why are early diesel bushings keyed?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74470	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74471	From: snstrains	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74472	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74473	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74474	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74475	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74476	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74477	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: For Sale: Two Gilbert Steam Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74478	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74479	From: race944t	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74480	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74481	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74482	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74483	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/30/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74484	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: RCTHS Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74485	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74486	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/30/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74487	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: Fw: Edwards AFB IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74488	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74489	From: traindavid	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74490	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: Re: Fw: Edwards AFB IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74491	From: bobville	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74492	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74493	From: snstrains	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74494	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74495	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74496	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74497	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 4/1/2014
Subject: Re: Fw: Edwards AFB IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74498	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 4/1/2014
Subject: LBR SPRING SPECIAL (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74499	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74500	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: 4-4-4-4 E&T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74501	From: edinboro67	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: S-HELPER HOPPERS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74502	From: edinboro67	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: S-HELPER HOPPERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74503	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74504	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: Re: Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74505	From: rick flaherty	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: Re: 4-4-4-4 E&T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74506	From: snstrains	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: Re: 4-4-4-4 E&T [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74507	From: rick flaherty	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: 4-4-4-4 E&T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74508	From: scaler164	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: WANTED : Kinsman? Box Car Ends
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74509	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: LIGHT UP YOUR AF STEAMERS (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74510	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for April 3 (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74511	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: 4-4-4-4 E&T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74512	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: S-HELPER HOPPERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74513	From: Mark Skertich	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: S-HELPER HOPPERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74514	From: rick gough	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for April 3 (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74515	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for April 3 (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74516	From: rick flaherty	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: 4-4-4-4 E&T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74517	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: 2014 NASG Convention Page Updated
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74518	From: Tom Lochhead	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for April 3 (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74519	From: raulf.polichar	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Materials for Sound deadening on layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74520	From: rfalzini@yahoo.com	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74521	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74522	From: scaler164	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: New 1/64 Scale Semi Tractors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74523	From: alan smith	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74524	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Flyer O-gauge and Std gage interests? P.S.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74525	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Flyer O-gauge and Std gage interests?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74526	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Re: New 1/64 Scale Semi Tractors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74527	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74528	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74529	From: polichar	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74530	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74531	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer O-gauge and Std gage interests?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74532	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/6/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74533	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/6/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/6/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74534	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/6/2014
Subject: Layout Update - Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74535	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: TOTALLY KIT BASHED CJ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74536	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer O-gauge and Std gage interests? P.S.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74537	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: Flyer Alco PAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74538	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: "Out of the Woods" Part Two is up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74539	From: Frank	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer Alco PAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74540	From: scaler164	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: In Search Of : A M Gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74541	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 4/8/2014
Subject: Modified (kit bashed) AF Casey Jones
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74542	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 4/8/2014
Subject: 2014 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74543	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/8/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer Alco PAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74544	From: lx5043	Date: 4/9/2014
Subject: Re: Modified (kit bashed) AF Casey Jones
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74545	From: David GMX	Date: 4/9/2014
Subject: Update of Imlay Train Station Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74546	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Modified (kit bashed) AF Casey Jones
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74547	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74548	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74549	From: carl4flyer	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74550	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74551	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74552	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Help Identify Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74553	From: trndad	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Help Identify Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74554	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Help Identify Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74555	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Help identify loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74556	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 4/11/2014
Subject: Re: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74557	From: lx5043	Date: 4/11/2014
Subject: Re: Modified (kit bashed) AF Casey Jones
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74558	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/11/2014
Subject: Paint Match for 25056
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74559	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/11/2014
Subject: ground
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74560	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/12/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/13/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74561	From: Richard Reichard	Date: 4/13/2014
Subject: 54" Switch Building Manual for AF-S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74562	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/13/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/13/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74563	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/13/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74564	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 4/13/2014
Subject: More Casey Bashed Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74565	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/14/2014
Subject: New videos on the San Diego S Gauger's website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74566	From: jjsmink	Date: 4/14/2014
Subject: Model Railroader DVD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74567	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 4/14/2014
Subject: Speaker Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74568	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/14/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74569	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74570	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74571	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74572	From: brendakenchris	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Model Railroader DVD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74573	From: lionely6b	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74574	From: johntech	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Model Railroader DVD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74575	From: Dave	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74576	From: johntech	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74577	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 4/16/2014
Subject: Looking for American Models/SHS flex...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74578	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 4/16/2014
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74579	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: American Models or S Trax Flex??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74580	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: Morons at the Wheel (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74581	From: poniaj	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: American Models or S Trax Flex?? PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74582	From: poniaj	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: American Models or S Trax Flex??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74583	From: poniaj	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: American Models or S Trax Flex??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74584	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: American Models or S Trax Flex?? PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74585	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: American Models or S Trax?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74586	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: American Models or S Trax Flex??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74587	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/20/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74588	From: sscaleroy	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: Model Railroader DVD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74589	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: Model Railroader DVD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74590	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/20/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74591	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/20/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/20/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74592	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/20/2014
Subject: One Small Town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74593	From: vu68	Date: 4/20/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED : 21" Radius AM Curved Track Sections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74594	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/20/2014
Subject: Retainer for AF searchlight on flatcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74595	From: piccu56	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74596	From: piccu56	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74597	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: Retainer for AF searchlight on flatcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74598	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74599	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: Retainer for AF searchlight on flatcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74600	From: bstilesaf	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Flyer "Nut" meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74601	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74602	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74603	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74604	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "Nut" meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74605	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Speaker Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74606	From: racin510	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74607	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74608	From: bstilesaf	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "Nut" meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74609	From: racin510	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74610	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Spring S Spree coming up SOON!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74611	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree coming up SOON!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74612	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree coming up SOON!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74613	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74614	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Train Table For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74615	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree coming up soon!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74616	From: Lou Templeton	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree coming up SOON!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74617	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE April 24 (of topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74618	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree coming up SOON!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74619	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: York and MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74620	From: poniaj	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: York and MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74621	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: York and MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74622	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Polishing Aluminum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74623	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74625	From: Mike Hayes	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: Polishing Aluminum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74626	From: rhicks308	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74627	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74628	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74629	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74630	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74631	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/27/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74632	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74633	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74634	From: rhicks308	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74635	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: Polishing Aluminum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74636	From: rzuerlein2001	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74637	From: mike gardner	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: side drop doors for 719,919 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74638	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Polishing Aluminum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74639	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74640	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: York and MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74642	From: alhbaker	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74643	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: 710 Steam Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74644	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/27/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74645	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74646	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: NEW SMOKE UNIT ADAPTER gives new life to old units (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74647	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74648	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74649	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74650	From: William J Gill	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT ADAPTER gives new life to old units (Advertiseme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74651	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74653	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74654	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74655	From: ee_train	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74656	From: srjaynes	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74657	From: Michael	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: National Train Day.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74658	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74659	From: snstrains	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74660	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT ADAPTER gives new life to old units (Advertiseme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74661	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: 2014 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74662	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74663	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74664	From: Roger Walton	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74665	From: richs009	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74666	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74667	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74668	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74669	From: lx5043	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74670	From: James Lyle	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74671	From: richs009	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: Re: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74672	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: Re: York & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74673	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74674	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: NEW Stubby Tank Car (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74675	From: aleisen	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: American HiRail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74676	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: Re: American HiRail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74677	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 4/30/2014
Subject: Anyone have 148# track to sell? American Models/other?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74678	From: lx5043	Date: 4/30/2014
Subject: FREE Model Building Plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74679	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 5/1/2014
Subject: WTB American Hi-Rail Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74680	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/1/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for May 1st (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74681	From: aleisen	Date: 5/1/2014
Subject: Re: American HiRail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74682	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/1/2014
Subject: Spring Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74683	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/2/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/16/2014, 10:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74684	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/2/2014
Subject: Re: American HiRail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74685	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 5/2/2014
Subject: Re: American HiRail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74686	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/3/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/17/2014, 7:30 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74687	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/3/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74688	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 5/3/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74689	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/3/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/4/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74690	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Truck?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74691	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Flyonel Oil Drum Loader 4-2300
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74692	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/18/2014, 10:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74693	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74694	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/4/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74695	From: alan smith	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74696	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74697	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74698	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck? PS;
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74699	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74700	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Needed items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74701	From: n6ojj	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74702	From: tennsgauger	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: AF, SHS, and MTH Items for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74703	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74704	From: Jim Grimes	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement) JUST SPAM!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74705	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74706	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel Oil Drum Loader 4-2300
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74707	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74708	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge Layout in Arizona
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74709	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Spring Spree Sprung
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74710	From: tennsgauger	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Passenger car shells for sale (American HiRail and American Flyer)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74711	From: donmac304	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Re: Ficus Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74712	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: U33 diesel for sale WITH SCALE WHEELS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74713	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/6/2014
Subject: "Out of the Woods" Part 3 posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74714	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/9/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/16/2014, 10:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74715	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 5/9/2014
Subject: FFW 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74716	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/10/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/17/2014, 7:30 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74717	From: njma41	Date: 5/10/2014
Subject: ben frankling shell needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74718	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/10/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74719	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/10/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/11/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74720	From: jim ensign	Date: 5/10/2014
Subject: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74721	From: Obie Bell	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74722	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74723	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/11/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74724	From: Frank	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74725	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74726	From: John METZGER	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74727	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74728	From: Tom David	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74729	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74730	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Flyonel U-33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74731	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74732	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel U-33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74733	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/13/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel U-33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74734	From: William J Gill	Date: 5/13/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel U-33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74735	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/13/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74736	From: snstrains	Date: 5/13/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74737	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/13/2014
Subject: PRR 4-4-2 Camel Back E&T (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74738	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 5/14/2014
Subject: S Helper Turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74739	From: mike jones	Date: 5/14/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74740	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/14/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74741	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 5/14/2014
Subject: Signing your posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74742	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 5/14/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74743	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/15/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for 5/15/14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74744	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/15/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74745	From: mike jones	Date: 5/15/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74746	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 5/15/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74747	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/15/2014
Subject: PRR Head end decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74748	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/16/2014
Subject: Re: SOMETHING YOU GUYS MIGHT ENJOY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74749	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/16/2014
Subject: For sale: Gilbert Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74750	From: johntech	Date: 5/17/2014
Subject: Looking for Baldwin parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74751	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/17/2014
Subject: Re: Looking for Baldwin parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74752	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/17/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/18/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74753	From: Johntech	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: If you have a Putt Engine.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74754	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: Re: If you have a Putt Engine.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74755	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: Operating accessories question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74756	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/18/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74757	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: Re: Operating accessories question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74758	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74759	From: racin510	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: Re: Operating accessories question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74760	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74761	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74762	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74763	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 5/19/2014
Subject: Advertisement: New Website & New e-Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74764	From: Dr Trains	Date: 5/20/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel Oil Drum Loader 4-2300
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74765	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/20/2014
Subject: Wilmington, NC Area (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74766	From: scaler164	Date: 5/20/2014
Subject: The Time Has Come!!! : NOW AVAILABLE...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74767	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/21/2014
Subject: CAMEL BACK E&T's (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74768	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/22/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74769	From: paflyrman	Date: 5/22/2014
Subject: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74770	From: snstrains	Date: 5/22/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74771	From: alan smith	Date: 5/22/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74772	From: richs009	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74773	From: The Laniers	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74774	From: traindavid	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74775	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: RFD-TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74776	From: The Laniers	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74777	From: alsflyer	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Warped American Flyer plastic cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74778	From: Al	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6432
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74779	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Warped American Flyer plastic cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74780	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74781	From: Ray Puls	Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: Re: Eavesdrop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74782	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: SHS Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74783	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74784	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/25/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74785	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: SHS turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74786	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: Re: SHS turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74787	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/25/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74788	From: traindavid	Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS turnouts & coupler weights/arms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74789	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS turnouts & coupler weights/arms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74790	From: wcbeverly	Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: The Slim Gauge Guild Model RR Club Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74791	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/27/2014
Subject: Comment on trucks and couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74792	From: Mike Thomas	Date: 5/27/2014
Subject: Despatch Junction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74793	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/27/2014
Subject: Re: Despatch Junction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74794	From: traindavid	Date: 5/28/2014
Subject: ACG durablity was Comments on Trucks & Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74795	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/28/2014
Subject: Re: ACG durablity was Comments on Trucks & Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74796	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "A Storehouse of Useless Information"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74797	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "A Storehouse of Useless Information"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74798	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: Getting Old and Technology Challenged
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74799	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: Re: Getting Old and Technology Challenged
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74800	From: johntech	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "A Storehouse of Useless Information"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74801	From: scaler164	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: NEW S Scale Flat Car from Chad Boas!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74802	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 5/30/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "A Storehouse of Useless Information"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74803	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/30/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74804	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/30/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "A Storehouse of Useless Information"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74805	From: Mike and Debra Vana	Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: Question about AF 24003 Santa Fe Boxcars / removing old stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74806	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/1/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74807	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74808	From: James	Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: Re: Question about AF 24003 Santa Fe Boxcars / removing old stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74809	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74810	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: Re: Question about AF 24003 Santa Fe Boxcars / removing old stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74811	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74812	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/1/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74813	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: Sound system for module
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74814	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: Question about AF 24003 Santa Fe Boxcars / removing old stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74815	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74816	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Flyer on Facebook was: RE: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74817	From: scaler164	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: DREMEL TOOL 4 SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74818	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74819	From: rudypenne	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer on Facebook was: RE: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74820	From: rudypenne	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: 740 HANDCAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74821	From: James Lyle	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: Sound system for module
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74822	From: snstrains	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: 740 HANDCAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74823	From: alan smith	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: 740 HANDCAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74824	From: rudypenne	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: 740 HANDCAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74825	From: Frank	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74826	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: Flyer on Facebook
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74827	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: CTT Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74828	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74829	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer on Facebook was: RE: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74830	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74831	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer on Facebook was: RE: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74832	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74833	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer on Facebook
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74834	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: NEW S-Scale B&O Interlocking Tower Kit by MJB Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74835	From: daleminard	Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74836	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer on Facebook
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74837	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Blood Sport" (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74838	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74839	From: scaler164	Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: MORE New Pix Of Chad Boas' CB&Q Flat Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74840	From: gartrain404	Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74841	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/6/2014
Subject: "Out of the Woods" Part Four posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74842	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/7/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74843	From: reujan2000	Date: 6/7/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74844	From: racin510	Date: 6/7/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74845	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/7/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/8/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74846	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/7/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74847	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/8/2014
Subject: July CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74848	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/8/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/8/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74849	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74850	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Am OMS controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74851	From: snstrains	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74852	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Am OMS controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74853	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74854	From: carl4flyer	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74855	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Am OMS controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74856	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: July CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74857	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74858	From: Al Baker	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Am OMS controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74859	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74860	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74861	From: richs009	Date: 6/10/2014
Subject: Engine controller and Lionel Legacy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74862	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 6/10/2014
Subject: 2014 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74863	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 6/10/2014
Subject: Re: NEW S-Scale B&O Interlocking Tower Kit by MJB Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74864	From: Ray Puls	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74865	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74866	From: Mike Thomas	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74867	From: carl4flyer	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74868	From: richs009	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74869	From: richs009	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74870	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Recall!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74871	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: Possible New S-Scale Structure Kit * B&O Point of Rocks Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74872	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74873	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74874	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74875	From: Ray Puls	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: ERR products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74876	From: reujan2000	Date: 6/14/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74877	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/14/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/15/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74878	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/15/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/15/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74879	From: James Lyle	Date: 6/15/2014
Subject: Re: Operating accessories question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74880	From: vu68	Date: 6/16/2014
Subject: Bending American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74881	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 6/17/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74882	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/17/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74883	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 6/17/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74884	From: vu68	Date: 6/18/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74885	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/18/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74886	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/18/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74887	From: scaler164	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: 4 New Pix Of Chad Boas' CB&Q Flat Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74888	From: druvnik	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: American Flyer Collectors Club (defunct)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74889	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE "Oops"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74890	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74891	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Transportation Stupidity"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74892	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74893	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74894	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74895	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74896	From: scaler164	Date: 6/20/2014
Subject: Re: 4 New Pix Of Chad Boas' CB&Q Flat Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74897	From: reujan2000	Date: 6/21/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74898	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/21/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74899	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/21/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74900	From: railtwister	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74901	From: lou342ac	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74902	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74903	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74904	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74905	From: railtwister	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74906	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74907	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74908	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74909	From: railtwister	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74910	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 6/23/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74911	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 6/23/2014
Subject: 2014 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74912	From: rm_hirailer	Date: 6/23/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74913	From: railtwister	Date: 6/23/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74914	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/24/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74915	From: Ernest Mennecke	Date: 6/24/2014
Subject: AM pacific sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74916	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 6/24/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74917	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 6/25/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74918	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/25/2014
Subject: The K.I.S.S Principle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74919	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 6/25/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74920	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74921	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: Re: Looking for SHS Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74922	From: William Nielsen	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74923	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74924	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74925	From: mikenguy9	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: unloader track 1946
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74926	From: scaler164	Date: 6/27/2014
Subject: Truck / Bolster Spacers on SHS models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74927	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 6/27/2014
Subject: Re: unloader track 1946
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74928	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/27/2014
Subject: Re: unloader track 1946
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74929	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/27/2014
Subject: Truck bolster spacers on SHS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74930	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/28/2014
Subject: Re: Truck / Bolster Spacers on SHS models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74931	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/28/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74932	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/29/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74933	From: reujan2000	Date: 6/30/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74934	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 7/2/2014
Subject: Last Call for ordering the MJB B&O Interlocking Tower.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74935	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/3/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74936	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/3/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic) - Applies to Anit-Kit-Bashing too?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74937	From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/3/2014
Subject: American Models Amtrak 'Materials Handling' Boxcar Phase III stripe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74938	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/4/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Amtrak 'Materials Handling' Boxcar Phase III str
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74939	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/4/2014
Subject: Anti Kit Bashing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74940	From: racin510	Date: 7/4/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74941	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74942	From: traindavid	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Posted by: racin510@yahoo.com racin510
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74943	From: traindavid	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74944	From: carl4flyer	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74945	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Christmas Pix...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74946	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Rex cast metal gondolas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74947	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Re: Rex cast metal gondolas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74948	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/6/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74949	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Re: Christmas Pix...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74950	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE :Off Topic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74951	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: 5-digit drawbars---Advertisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74952	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74953	From: reujan2000	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74954	From: reujan2000	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74955	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Albions Software: Ship It!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74956	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/6/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74957	From: James	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74958	From: James	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74959	From: tennsgauger	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Problem with SHS 55-ton covered hopper with Reindeer (Christmas car)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74960	From: Ted Walton	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74961	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74962	From: herbw202	Date: 7/7/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74963	From: racin510	Date: 7/7/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74964	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/7/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74965	From: James	Date: 7/7/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74966	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Flyer 970 Walking Brakeman Boxcar C-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74967	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert Flyer 970 Walking Brakeman Boxcar C-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74968	From: wyoaf	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: 343 Tender Knuckle opens unexpectedly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74969	From: trndad	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: MTH S-Trax a perfect match to my SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74970	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Knuckle opens unexpectedly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74971	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: MTH S-Trax a perfect match to my SHS track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74972	From: trndad	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Knuckle opens unexpectedly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74973	From: Herb and Bev Lanier	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Knuckle opens unexpectedly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74974	From: Ted Walton	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74975	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74976	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: Problem with SHS 55-ton covered hopper with Reindeer (Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74977	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: For sale: American Models Cotton Belt GP35
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74978	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert Flyer 970 Walking Brakeman Boxcar C-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74979	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert Flyer 970 Walking Brakeman Boxcar C-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74980	From: Ted Walton	Date: 7/9/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74981	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/9/2014
Subject: a Tribute to Frank Titman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74982	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/9/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74983	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/10/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE is On Topic again!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74984	From: t_martin5qyd	Date: 7/10/2014
Subject: LBR ENTERPRISES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74985	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/10/2014
Subject: For sale: 36 years of S Gaugian magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74986	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 7/12/2014
Subject:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74987	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/12/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/13/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74988	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/13/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/13/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74989	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 7/13/2014
Subject: American Models D & H Alco PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74990	From: scaler164	Date: 7/13/2014
Subject: SHS Screwy Screws :)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74991	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 7/13/2014
Subject: Announcement: New e-Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74992	From: Frank	Date: 7/13/2014
Subject: Re: American Models D & H Alco PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74993	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 7/14/2014
Subject: Re: American Models D & H Alco PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74994	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/14/2014
Subject: For Sale: four Pacific Rail Shops boxcar kits NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74995	From: snstrains	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: four Pacific Rail Shops boxcar kits NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74996	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: River Raisin B&O 0-6-0 for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74997	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: For sale: Lionel Flyer Freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74998	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: Magnetic Crane Exploded View?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 74999	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: NASG Convention and Web Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75000	From: canambob91710k	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: four Pacific Rail Shops boxcar kits NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75001	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: 1946 track for unloading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75002	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/16/2014
Subject: Re: 1946 track for unloading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75003	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 7/17/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: four Pacific Rail Shops boxcar kits NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75004	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/17/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE "TCR: Back to the future?" (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75005	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/17/2014
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75006	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/19/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/20/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75007	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/20/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/20/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75008	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 7/23/2014
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} Don Thompson - Not Well
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75009	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 7/23/2014
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} Don Thompson - Not Well
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75010	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75011	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2014
Subject: Don Thompson-not well
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75012	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 7/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fwd: {S-Scale List} Don Thompson - Not Well
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75013	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/24/2014
Subject: Re: Don Thompson-not well
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75014	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2014
Subject: on Thompson-not well
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75015	From: lx5043	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75016	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75017	From: yorktown26	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: CTT Sept issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75018	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75019	From: beebear	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75020	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75021	From: beebear	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75022	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Classic Toy Trains magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75023	From: beebear	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75024	From: zemouse2001	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Classic Toy Trains magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75025	From: alan smith	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: A true story for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75026	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75027	From: traindavid	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75028	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75029	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75030	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75031	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75032	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75033	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75034	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/27/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75035	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: No. 8 Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75036	From: alan smith	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: New design shorty tank car for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75037	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: No. 8 Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75038	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: New design shorty tank car for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75039	From: David Highfield	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75040	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75041	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/27/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75042	From: beebear	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: New design shorty tank car for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75043	From: beebear	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Listing for current sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75044	From: alan smith	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: New design shorty tank car for S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75045	From: alan smith	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Let the good times roll ---on the rails.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75046	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Let the good times roll-on the rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75047	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75048	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: Let the good times roll ---on the rails.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75049	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75050	From: rhicks308	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: No. 8 Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75051	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: No. 8 Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75052	From: beebear	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75053	From: race944t	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75054	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: No. 8 Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75055	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75056	From: tennsgauger	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75057	From: rhicks308	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: No. 8 Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75058	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75059	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75060	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75061	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75062	From: race944t	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75063	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75064	From: tennsgauger	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75065	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: skill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75066	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: For sale: NASG Dispatch Magazine back issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75067	From: James Lyle	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75068	From: jamiebothwell	Date: 7/30/2014
Subject: Re: Let the good times roll ---on the rails.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75069	From: alan smith	Date: 7/30/2014
Subject: Re: Let the good times roll ---on the rails.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75070	From: alanlambert64	Date: 7/30/2014
Subject: American Models Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75071	From: alanlambert64	Date: 7/30/2014
Subject: American Models Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75072	From: aftrains4u	Date: 7/30/2014
Subject: Nice 332AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75073	From: royhoffman	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: Listing for current sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75074	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75075	From: snstrains	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75076	From: Mark Skertich	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75077	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75078	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75079	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75080	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75081	From: snstrains	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75082	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75083	From: Milo Rodriguez	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75084	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75085	From: Ray Puls	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75086	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Flyer O-Gauge parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75087	From: mikenguy9	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: 1946 track ( for unloading cars )
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75088	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: 1946 track ( for unloading cars )
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75089	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75090	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer O-Gauge parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75091	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer O-Gauge parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75092	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75093	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75094	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75095	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75096	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75097	From: snstrains	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75098	From: traindavid	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75099	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75100	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Fwd: [Bulk] [Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California] So You Want A M
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75101	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Brand new S Scale brass detail parts for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75102	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/3/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75103	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/3/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/3/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75104	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/3/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75105	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/3/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75106	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/3/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75107	From: traindavid	Date: 8/4/2014
Subject: Traction tire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75108	From: kempfam	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: RMC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75109	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75110	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75111	From: snstrains	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75112	From: alan smith	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75113	From: Paul	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75114	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75115	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire [1 Attachment]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75116	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/6/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75117	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/6/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75118	From: Ingram-James-Yahoo-Groups14	Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Video: S Ga. Demo of DCC-Bitswitch 'Block BitSwitch'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75119	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Cowcatcher"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75120	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Book Promotion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75121	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: new YouTube Clip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75122	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: "Out of the Woods Part Six posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75123	From: wb4hay	Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: Kadee Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75124	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: Kadee Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75125	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: Re: Kadee Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75126	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/10/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75127	From: snstrains	Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: Kadee Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75128	From: markaflyer	Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: Kadee Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75129	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: Kadee Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75130	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/10/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75131	From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/13/2014
Subject: Parts to operate 'S' Flyonel cylindrical hoppers on hi-rail track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75132	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/14/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75133	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: Re: Parts to operate 'S' Flyonel cylindrical hoppers on hi-rail trac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75134	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: For Sale: Complete Gilbert Flyer 20515 Reliable Freight Set C-6 in O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75135	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 8/16/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75136	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/16/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/17/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75137	From: Roger Walton	Date: 8/16/2014
Subject: has all S-trains message traffic stopped?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75138	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Chas Ro deals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75139	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: The lack of messages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75140	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/17/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75141	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Re: THE LACK OF MESSAGES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75142	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: KCS hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75143	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Upcoming Model Railcast Show Podcast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75145	From: Frank	Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: Fasttrack 90 Crossover issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75146	From: lx5043	Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Lionel Automatic Crossing Gate #252
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75149	From: afot7	Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Fasttrack 90 crossover issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75150	From: paflyrman	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75151	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75152	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Fwd: [citrusmodeling] Moderator’s Warning: Bogus Yahoo Mail Messag
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75153	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75154	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Automatic Crossing Gate #252
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75155	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75156	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Lemax Spooky town Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75157	From: Dave	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lemax Spooky town Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75158	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lemax Spooky town Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75159	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: Lemax Spooky town Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75160	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Lema Spooky Town Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75161	From: lx5043	Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Automatic Crossing Gate #252
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75162	From: gartrain404	Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Lemax Spooky town Trolley by bull_gator_1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75163	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/21/2014
Subject: Lema Spooky Town Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75164	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lema Spooky Town Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75165	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/21/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Housecleaning" (on/off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75166	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 8/21/2014
Subject: Re: Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75167	From: afironhorse	Date: 8/22/2014
Subject: Need a wiring diagram for UP 4-8-4 #336 speaker hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75168	From: lx5043	Date: 8/22/2014
Subject: Credit Where Credit Is Due
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75169	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 8/22/2014
Subject: Re: Need a wiring diagram for UP 4-8-4 #336 speaker hookup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75170	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/23/2014
Subject: Carstens Publications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75171	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/23/2014
Subject: Re: CARSTENS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75172	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/23/2014
Subject: Re: Credit Where Credit Is Due
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75173	From: traindavid	Date: 8/23/2014
Subject: Re: redit Where Credit Is Due
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75174	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/23/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/24/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75175	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/24/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/24/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75176	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 8/24/2014
Subject: NEWS: Publisher of Railroad Model Craftsman closes - Model Railroade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75177	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 8/24/2014
Subject: Regarding Carstens Closing: Fwd: Thank you for joining our mailing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75178	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 8/24/2014
Subject: Re: Regarding Carstens Closing: Fwd: Thank you for joining our mai
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75179	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: Lemax Ghost Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75180	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: Last Call for brass parts sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75181	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: Re: Regarding Carstens Closing: Fwd: Thank you for joining our mai
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75182	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: A New S Scale Publication?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75183	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: S-"n"-S Trains changes hands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75184	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: Re: A New S Scale Publication?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75185	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: S-"n"-S Trains changes hands
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75186	From: wb4hay	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Mars Light LED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75187	From: Frank	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: A New S Scale Publication?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75188	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: A New S Scale Publication?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75189	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: Mars Light LED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75190	From: pakrause5	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: A New S Scale Publication?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75191	From: wb4hay	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: Mars Light LED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75192	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: 15B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75193	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/27/2014
Subject: A new S publication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75194	From: mike gardner	Date: 8/27/2014
Subject: western wagons- off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75195	From: Martin	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: Re: A new S publication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75196	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: Re: A new S publication
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75197	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The toughest job I ever loved"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75198	From: alhbaker	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: ZAP-A-GAP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75199	From: mel perry	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: Re: ZAP-A-GAP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75200	From: beebear	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: New 3D scanner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75201	From: J Terrence MacEwen	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: Digital Price List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75202	From: tbennerohio	Date: 8/29/2014
Subject: Starting over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75203	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/29/2014
Subject: Re: Starting over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75204	From: scaler164	Date: 8/29/2014
Subject: FOR SALE : Surplus Chad Boas SAL Flat Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75205	From: David Highfield	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Re: Starting over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75206	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Flyer "O" gauge question/need
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75207	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Starting over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75208	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] FW: [Proto-Layouts] RMC and R&R acquired by WRP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75209	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75210	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Ten Wheeler Project begins!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75211	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/31/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75212	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "O" gauge question/need
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75213	From: hunbet	Date: 8/31/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75214	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/31/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/31/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75215	From: James Lyle	Date: 8/31/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75216	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "O" gauge question/need
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75217	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Re: 15B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75218	From: snstrains	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Flyer "O" gauge question/need re-visited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75219	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "O" gauge question/need
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75220	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "O" gauge question/need
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75221	From: stevew970	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Pre-Size Model Specialties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75222	From: tbennerohio	Date: 9/2/2014
Subject: Re: Starting over
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75223	From: alan smith	Date: 9/2/2014
Subject: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75224	From: John	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75225	From: mike gardner	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75226	From: alan smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75227	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75228	From: alan smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75229	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: LED replacement bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75230	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75231	From: alan smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75232	From: David McBrayer	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75233	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75234	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75235	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75236	From: Art Cooper	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75237	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75238	From: alan smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75239	From: alan smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75240	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75241	From: traindavid	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75242	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Returning to Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75243	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Returning to Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75244	From: alan smith	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75245	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75246	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75247	From: R G	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75248	From: alan smith	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75249	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 9/5/2014
Subject: Advertisement: e-Book Combo Offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75250	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 9/5/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75251	From: Ray Puls	Date: 9/5/2014
Subject: LEDs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75252	From: wb4hay	Date: 9/5/2014
Subject: Resetting Tsunami's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75253	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 9/5/2014
Subject: GG-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75254	From: tennsgauger	Date: 9/6/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} CONTACTING Dave's Twacks & Twains ?!?!?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75255	From: scaler164	Date: 9/6/2014
Subject: CONTACTING Dave's Twacks & Twains ?!?!?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75256	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/6/2014
Subject: Re: CONTACTING Dave's Twacks & Twains ?!?!?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75257	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 9/6/2014
Subject: Re: CONTACTING Dave's Twacks & Twains ?!?!?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75258	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/6/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/7/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75259	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/7/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/7/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75260	From: snstrains	Date: 9/8/2014
Subject: Re: Resetting Tsunami's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75261	From: wb4hay	Date: 9/8/2014
Subject: Re: Resetting Tsunami's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75262	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 9/9/2014
Subject: Water Tower Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75263	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/11/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75264	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/12/2014
Subject: For sale: Lionel Flyer Southern Pacific GP-9s NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75265	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/13/2014
Subject: For Sale: Ballston Erie Camelback
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75266	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/13/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/14/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75267	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/14/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/14/2014, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75268	From: James Lyle	Date: 9/14/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75269	From: Sam & Peggy	Date: 9/14/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75270	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 9/14/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75271	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/16/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels, was Room For The Average Joe?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75272	From: snstrains	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: SnS Trains followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75273	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: AF to Scale wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75274	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75275	From: tennsgauger	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: Re: AF to Scale wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75276	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: Re: AF to Scale wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75277	From: Steve Wolcott	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels, was Room For The Average Joe?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75278	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/18/2014
Subject: 370 series shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75279	From: snstrains	Date: 9/18/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels, was Room For The Average...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75280	From: raulf.polichar	Date: 9/18/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels, was Room For The Average...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75281	From: traindavid	Date: 9/18/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75282	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/19/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels, was Room For The Average...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75283	From: snstrains	Date: 9/20/2014
Subject: Don Thompson question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75284	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/20/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 22 September 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75285	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/21/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 22 September 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75286	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 9/21/2014
Subject: Re: Don Thompson question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75287	From: tennsgauger	Date: 9/21/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75288	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/22/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75289	From: wb4hay	Date: 9/22/2014
Subject: Challenger Cam 2 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75290	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/22/2014
Subject: Tomalco code 100 turnouts for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75291	From: wb4hay	Date: 9/23/2014
Subject: Re: Challenger Cam 2 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75292	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 9/23/2014
Subject: Circus Posters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75293	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 9/23/2014
Subject: Re: Circus Posters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75294	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 9/23/2014
Subject: Scale wheels for an AF 0-8-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75295	From: beebear	Date: 9/23/2014
Subject: Fostoria, Oho Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75296	From: lx5043	Date: 9/24/2014
Subject: Re: Circus Posters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75297	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/24/2014
Subject: Re: Scale wheels for an AF 0-8-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75298	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/24/2014
Subject: Another Must Have Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75299	From: lx5043	Date: 9/24/2014
Subject: Circus Stamp Images
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75300	From: Chud	Date: 9/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fostoria, Oho Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75301	From: Milo Rodriguez	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: Re: Another Must Have Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75302	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: A.F. Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75303	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75304	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75305	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75306	From: alsflyer	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: S Gauge Items for Sale - #1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75307	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 9/26/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75308	From: James Lyle	Date: 9/26/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75309	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 9/26/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75310	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/26/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75311	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/26/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75312	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/27/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 29 September 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75313	From: Eric	Date: 9/27/2014
Subject: S engines and Legacy Control system for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75314	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/28/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 29 September 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75315	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/29/2014
Subject: New 990 Legacy Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75316	From: stevew970	Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Pre-Size website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75317	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75318	From: afot7	Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: New 990 Legacy Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75319	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: RCTHS Fall Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75320	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: ] RCTHS Fall Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75321	From: afjeff_56	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: River City Toy Train Show (Sacramento, Ca.)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75322	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: more turnouts for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75323	From: mike boyd	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: River City Toy Train Show (Sacramento, Ca.)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75324	From: pakrause5	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: more turnouts for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75325	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75326	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: thank
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75327	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/3/2014
Subject: "Ten Wheeler Project" Part 2 posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75328	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/4/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 06 October 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75329	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 06 October 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75330	From: Joe Haughney	Date: 10/5/2014
Subject: Wire Wrap tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75331	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/5/2014
Subject: YORK WEEK - OPEN HOUSE- TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75332	From: lou342ac	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75333	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75334	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75335	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75336	From: stephen.terni	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: S Scale Movie Theater?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75337	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75338	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale Movie Theater?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75339	From: Herb and Bev Lanier	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale Movie Theater?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75340	From: traindavid	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Wire Wrap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75341	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75342	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale Movie Theater?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75343	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale Movie Theater?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75344	From: Joe Haughney	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75345	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75346	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/7/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale Movie Theater?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75347	From: traindavid	Date: 10/7/2014
Subject: Prices for new stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75348	From: alsflyer	Date: 10/8/2014
Subject: S Gauge trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75349	From: Eric	Date: 10/8/2014
Subject: Re: S engines and Legacy Control system for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75350	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/8/2014
Subject: Prices for new stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75351	From: Frank	Date: 10/8/2014
Subject: Re: Prices for new stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75352	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: S-Helper part question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75353	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: S-Helper part question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75354	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: S-Helper part question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75355	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: S-Helper part question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75356	From: trndad	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Keeping a layout clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75357	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Tower"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75358	From: traindavid	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: : Prices for New Stuff-track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75359	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: American Models at York??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75360	From: trndad	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: American Models at York??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75361	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: Keeping a layout clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75362	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: S-Helper part question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75363	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: S-Helper part question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75364	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: American Models at York??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75365	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: American Models at York??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75366	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: Keeping a layout clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75367	From: racin510	Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Keeping a layout clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75368	From: trndad	Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: American Models at York??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75369	From: trndad	Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Keeping a layout clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75370	From: wyoaf	Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Keeping a layout clean
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75371	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/11/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 13 October 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75372	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 13 October 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75373	From: jhwysopal	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Unknown AF box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75374	From: David McBrayer	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75375	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75376	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75377	From: lx5043	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: AF RailSounds Boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75378	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75379	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: AF RailSounds Boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75380	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: AF RailSounds Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75381	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75382	From: bud9351	Date: 10/14/2014
Subject: Needed floors for AF New Haven coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75383	From: James Wysopal	Date: 10/14/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75384	From: stevew970	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: New Bridge Abutment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75385	From: timstrains2000	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: I've Been Working On The Railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75386	From: lx5043	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: S gauge track and coupler gauge.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75387	From: Carey Probst	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge track and coupler gauge.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75388	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge track and coupler gauge.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75389	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge track and coupler gauge.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75390	From: Frank	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge track and coupler gauge.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75391	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: Re: I've Been Working On The Railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75392	From: lx5043	Date: 10/16/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge track and coupler gauge.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75393	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/16/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75394	From: ee_train	Date: 10/16/2014
Subject: Bay window - cupola caboose prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75395	From: mpcantu88	Date: 10/17/2014
Subject: Looking for a 314 aw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75396	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 10/17/2014
Subject: Announcement: New Product from RLN Publishing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75397	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/18/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 20 October 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75398	From: John Frankforther	Date: 10/18/2014
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 20 October 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75399	From: lx5043	Date: 10/18/2014
Subject: Marx 438 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75400	From: snstrains	Date: 10/19/2014
Subject: Re: Marx 438 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75401	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 10/19/2014
Subject: 21130 Tender Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75402	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/19/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 20 October 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75403	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/19/2014
Subject: Gilbert Atlantic Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75404	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/20/2014
Subject: LBR White Decal Sets (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75405	From: Tom David	Date: 10/20/2014
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 20 October 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75406	From: R G	Date: 10/20/2014
Subject: Re: Gilbert Atlantic Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75407	From: stevew970	Date: 10/20/2014
Subject: shoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75408	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Looking for a 314 aw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75409	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75410	From: scaler164	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: SHS Caboose Wheels/Axles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75411	From: scaler164	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Model Carriers From Fast Tracks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75412	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75413	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75414	From: snstrains	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75415	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75416	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75417	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75418	From: snstrains	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75419	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Port Lines & Ficus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75420	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75421	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers--UPDATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75422	From: traindavid	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Fall Flyonel Catalog??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75423	From: afot7	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Fall Flyonel Catalog??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75424	From: scaler164	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75425	From: John Frankforther	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75426	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75427	From: wcbeverly	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Slim Gauge Guild Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75428	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75429	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Fall Flyonel Catalog??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75430	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: STUM'S MACHINE: (off topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75431	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Model Citizen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75432	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fall Flyonel Catalog??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75433	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: New Paintscheme Am Models GP9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75434	From: traindavid	Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Flyonel Challenger coupler?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75435	From: carl4flyer	Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel Challenger coupler?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75436	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 27 October 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75437	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75438	From: scaler164	Date: 10/28/2014
Subject: Re: [SSPM] NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75439	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/30/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE : "Not all Class One Roads"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75440	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 10/30/2014
Subject: Ad/Announcement: e-Books Now Available on Disc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75441	From: aztecfan	Date: 10/30/2014
Subject: Polar Express add on cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75442	From: brendakenchris	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE : "Not all Class One Roads"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75443	From: Tom	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE : "Not all Class One Roads"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75444	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: For Sale: NASG Dispatch Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75445	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE : "Not all Class One Roads"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75446	From: John Frankforther	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: American Flyer catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75447	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 03 November 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75448	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 11/2/2014
Subject: Union Station TCA Sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75449	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/2/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 03 November 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75450	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: "Ten Wheeler Project" part three
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75451	From: George Dines	Date: 11/4/2014
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75452	From: George Dines	Date: 11/4/2014
Subject: Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75453	From: trndad	Date: 11/6/2014
Subject: Re: Polar Express add on cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75454	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/6/2014
Subject: For sale: five XA12A051 new knuckle coupler trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75455	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/6/2014
Subject: Taking orders for Westinghouse flat car load now
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75456	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 11/7/2014
Subject: I Need American Models S-42 Curves!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75457	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 11/7/2014
Subject: Parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75458	From: James Lyle	Date: 11/7/2014
Subject: Re: I Need American Models S-42 Curves!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75459	From: miken9guy	Date: 11/8/2014
Subject: book with American Flyer catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75460	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 11/8/2014
Subject: Re: book with American Flyer catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75461	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/8/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 10 November 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75462	From: herbw202	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: Re: book with American Flyer catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75463	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 10 November 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75464	From: John Frankforther	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: Re: Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75465	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: A.F. 21130 Tender?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75466	From: snstrains	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: Re: Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75467	From: rick flaherty	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: Re: Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75468	From: poniaj	Date: 11/10/2014
Subject: Re: Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75469	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 11/11/2014
Subject: Neuse River Model Railroad Train and Sale Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75470	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 11/12/2014
Subject: Oscar Meyer Hot Dog Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75471	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/13/2014
Subject: Come visit the San Diego S Gaugers over the Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75472	From: kb6gz	Date: 11/14/2014
Subject: DCC and serving SHS locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75473	From: kb6gz	Date: 11/14/2014
Subject: Re: Come visit the San Diego S Gaugers over the Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75474	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 11/15/2014
Subject: CHristmas Layout.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75475	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/15/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 17 November 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75476	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/16/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 17 November 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75477	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/16/2014
Subject: Measuring mission
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75478	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/16/2014
Subject: Re: Measuring mission
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75479	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 11/16/2014
Subject: Scale measurement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75480	From: pakrause5	Date: 11/17/2014
Subject: Re: Scale measurement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75481	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 11/17/2014
Subject: Re: Scale measurement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75482	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/18/2014
Subject: Scale Measurement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75483	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 11/18/2014
Subject: Re: Scale Measurement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75484	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/18/2014
Subject: Re: Scale Measurement - Rivet Counters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75485	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 11/18/2014
Subject: Scale Measurement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75486	From: Eric	Date: 11/18/2014
Subject: S GAUGE TRAIN ITEMS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75487	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 11/19/2014
Subject: Re: Scale Measurement - Rivet Counters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75488	From: kempfam	Date: 11/19/2014
Subject: Re: Scale Measurement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75489	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 11/20/2014
Subject: Re: Scale Measurement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75490	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 11/20/2014
Subject: Rivet counters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75491	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/20/2014
Subject: production samples of flat car load
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75492	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75493	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75494	From: hzvggb	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Lionel Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75495	From: snstrains	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75496	From: hzvggb	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75497	From: mike gardner	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75498	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75499	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75500	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75501	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75502	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75503	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/22/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75504	From: scaler164	Date: 11/22/2014
Subject: A Few New 1:64 Finds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75505	From: lou342ac	Date: 11/22/2014
Subject: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75506	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/22/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75507	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/22/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 24 November 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75508	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/23/2014
Subject: Old Time Cs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75509	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/23/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 24 November 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75510	From: stephen.terni	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: Flyonel Power Pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75511	From: alan smith	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel Power Pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75512	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel Power Pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75513	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: For sale: 1991 American Models B&O Streamliner Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75514	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: for sale: Plasticville structures and people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75515	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: FW: [G_Gauge] VCLCo BLACK FRIDAY EVENT - Announces a plan-set to bui
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75516	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 21808 CNW Baldwin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75517	From: traindavid	Date: 11/25/2014
Subject: Prototype for "Built by Gilbret!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75518	From: traindavid	Date: 11/25/2014
Subject: Prototype for "Built by Gilbert" additional photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75519	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/26/2014
Subject: Re: Prototype for "Built by Gilbret!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75520	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/26/2014
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 792 Passenger Terminal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75521	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 11/27/2014
Subject: Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75522	From: traindavid	Date: 11/27/2014
Subject: "Built by Gilbert" prototype--rest of the story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75523	From: alan smith	Date: 11/27/2014
Subject: Re: "Built by Gilbert" prototype--rest of the story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75524	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/27/2014
Subject: Gilbert American Flyer 792 Terminal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75525	From: snstrains	Date: 11/28/2014
Subject: Re: Gilbert American Flyer 792 Terminal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75526	From: mike gardner	Date: 11/28/2014
Subject: 717,919 body and door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75527	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 11/29/2014
Subject: Re: 717,919 body and door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75528	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/29/2014
Subject: Re: 717,919 body and door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75529	From: Eric	Date: 11/29/2014
Subject: Updated for Sale List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75530	From: mike gardner	Date: 11/30/2014
Subject: Re: 717,919 body and door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75531	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/30/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 01 December 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75532	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/30/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 01 December 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75533	From: traindavid	Date: 12/2/2014
Subject: OT: Last ditch effort to save the Delta Queen Steamboat--URGENT!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75534	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75535	From: colleran@infionline.net	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: 971 Moe & Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75536	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 971 Moe & Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75537	From: Frank	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 971 Moe & Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75538	From: Frank	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 971 Moe & Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75539	From: Tom	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75540	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75541	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: For Sale: AmericanFlyer 4856 Santa Fe Freight Alco PA/PB/PA Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75542	From: snstrains	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75543	From: snstrains	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75544	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75545	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/4/2014
Subject: Re: 971 Moe & Joe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75546	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/4/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75547	From: lx5043	Date: 12/4/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75548	From: mktbaden	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75549	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75550	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75551	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Ten Wheeler Project Part Four is posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75552	From: David McBrayer	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Re: Ten Wheeler Project Part Four is posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75553	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Re: Ten Wheeler Project Part Four is posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75554	From: traindavid	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: OT: UPDATE; Last ditch effort to save the Delta Queen Steamboat--UR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75555	From: richs009	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75556	From: mktbaden	Date: 12/6/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75557	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/6/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75558	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/6/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 08 December 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75559	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75560	From: rick flaherty	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75561	From: rick flaherty	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75562	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75563	From: mike gardner	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: Re: 717,919 body and door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75564	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 08 December 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75565	From: Howard Pape	Date: 12/9/2014
Subject: 324AC Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75566	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/9/2014
Subject: AC Gilbert Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75567	From: traindavid	Date: 12/10/2014
Subject: 324AC Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75568	From: sflyerguy	Date: 12/10/2014
Subject: Re: 324AC Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75569	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/12/2014
Subject: Flyonel Blue comet set + 2pk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75570	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/13/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 15 December 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75571	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/13/2014
Subject: Saw this on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75572	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/13/2014
Subject: South-West Michigan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75573	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 15 December 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75574	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: American Models SP Trainmaster A-A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75575	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: NKP GP-9 set 6-48017
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75576	From: ecphora123	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: Re: Saw this on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75577	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: Re: South-West Michigan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75578	From: rick flaherty	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: Re: Saw this on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75579	From: Eric	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: For sale list, Now december, lower prices, less stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75580	From: mike gardner	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: Re: Saw this on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75581	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/15/2014
Subject: Re: Saw this on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75582	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/16/2014
Subject: For Sale: Lots of S Scale decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75583	From: traindavid	Date: 12/16/2014
Subject: Re: Saw this on eBay--Wye switch ACG style
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75584	From: Ted Walton	Date: 12/16/2014
Subject: AF #2 transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75585	From: R G	Date: 12/16/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75586	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/16/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75587	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 12/17/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75588	From: Dave	Date: 12/17/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75589	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 12/17/2014
Subject: Scale lettering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75590	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 12/17/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75591	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/17/2014
Subject: Hey BUB, you need a house for your Dachshund
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75592	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Curse of Trainz"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75593	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: Re: Scale lettering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75594	From: scaler164	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Hey BUB, you need a house for your Dachshund [2 A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75595	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Curse of Trainz" & FNF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75596	From: trndad	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: MTH Railroad Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75597	From: rm_hirailer	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: Re: Scale lettering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75598	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: For Sale: Accessories for Gilbert All Aboard Panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75599	From: scaler164	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: WANTED : UN-Powered AM GG-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75600	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: 24125 painted Bethlehem gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75601	From: Ted Walton	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75602	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: B&O passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75603	From: alhbaker	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: MTH Sectional Track vs S-Helper ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75604	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Sectional Track vs S-Helper ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75605	From: jhannawald	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Sectional Track vs S-Helper ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75606	From: Roger Huber	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75607	From: alhbaker	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Sectional Track vs S-Helper ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75608	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75609	From: snstrains	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75610	From: racin510	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75611	From: imsscott	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75612	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/20/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75613	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 12/20/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75614	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/20/2014
Subject: Re: new member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75615	From: James Lyle	Date: 12/20/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75616	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/20/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 22 December 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75617	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75618	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75619	From: lx5043	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75620	From: James Lyle	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75621	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: TMCC conversions (or not)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75622	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75623	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75624	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75625	From: David McBrayer	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75626	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: B&O passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75627	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC conversions (or not)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75628	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 22 December 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75629	From: Paul Krause	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC conversions (or not)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75630	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC conversions (or not)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75631	From: James Lyle	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Keystone Div " Flying Flurries " Winter Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75632	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75633	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: S Operations/Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75634	From: papertrw	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75635	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75636	From: James Lyle	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75637	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75638	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75639	From: doerryn	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Electronic "AIr Chime Whistle Generator" Emulator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75640	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: The Supply Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75641	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: The Supply Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75642	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC conversions (or not)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75643	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: The Supply Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75644	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75645	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75646	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75647	From: snstrains	Date: 12/23/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75648	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/23/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75649	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/23/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC conversions (or not)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75650	From: alan smith	Date: 12/23/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75651	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75652	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75653	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75654	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75655	From: traindavid	Date: 12/25/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler Problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75656	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 12/25/2014
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75657	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/27/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 29 December 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75658	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/28/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 29 December 2014
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75659	From: auxpd275	Date: 12/31/2014
Subject: S-Helper Service Inc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 75660	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/31/2014
Subject: Blue comet set and 2-pk

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73862	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR! "Prairie Dog" Part Five is posted

A very HAPPY NEW YEAR to all our S gauge friends!    Starting 2014 off with a bang, Part Five of the "Prairie Dog" Project is up on Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website in the "Stumpy's Station" section at;  http://myflyertrains.org   . This is the final part of the plastic boiler Flyer Pacific becoming a 2-6-2 Prairie type locomotive, and includes some important operational information for those planning to, or building this project.  These modifications have allowed the engine to run flawlessly all through the holidays, much to the delight of our six year old grandniece and  "almost" (as he says it) four year old grandnephew!   (They've been coming down here every day since the week before Christmas making us feel old!) :-) Thanks, Chuck for another great year on My Flyer Trains, and I'm already working into 2014!  And thanks everyone who has e-mailed with questions, ideas, and support for my ongoing "Stumpy's Station" projects.  Stumpy & Cindy Stone In Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73863	From: Michael Rector	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR! "Prairie Dog" Part Five is posted

A very Happy New Year to you! Mike in SW Ohio On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 7:47 AM, "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> wrote:   A very HAPPY NEW YEAR to all our S gauge friends!    Starting 2014 off with a bang, Part Five of the "Prairie Dog" Project is up on Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website in the "Stumpy's Station" section at;  http://myflyertrains.org   . This is the final part of the plastic boiler Flyer Pacific becoming a 2-6-2 Prairie type locomotive, and includes some important operational information for those planning to, or building this project.  These modifications have allowed the engine to run flawlessly all through the holidays, much to the delight of our six year old grandniece and  "almost" (as he says it) four year old grandnephew!   (They've been coming down here every day since the week before Christmas making us feel old!) :-) Thanks, Chuck for another great year on My Flyer Trains, and I'm already working into 2014!  And thanks everyone who has e-mailed with questions, ideas, and support for my ongoing "Stumpy's Station" projects.  Stumpy & Cindy Stone In Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73864	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life

I frequently tell the parents who bring their kids into our clubhouse how my dad used our train as an educational tool, teaching me electricity, carpentry, how to fix things, crafts for scenery, etc., not to mention lots about railroads and how we move things around this country. My ability to fix things has saved my wife and I a fortune over the years in maintaining and remodeling our home. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:39 AM, <mrstumpy@...> wrote:   There's no question that an electric train was THE Christmas gift for boys of the Twentieth Century,  Trains teach a number of skills, just as construction toys like Erector sets, Lincoln Logs, Tinker Toys, plastic bricks (yes, they existed before Lego), and so on. But while predominantly a young male thing, girls certainly liked trains too, IF they were allowed to play with them.  My wife played with her uncle's Lionel layout in the basement all the time.  In fact when he passed we ended up with them, but they were then HER trains! No matter what other hobby I have gotten into over the years, there were things I learned "playing with trains" which gave me a "leg up" on others in the new hobby.   I sure hope that today's kids, growing up with electronics, don't ever have to know electrical, carpentry, plaster, metal working,  or any of a dozens of other things I learned from trains.  Toy and model trains teach skills you will use all of your life. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73865	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Multi-level layout guidance

Happy new year to all!!   I would really like to build a multi-level layout – the top level to be the running level, and the second level underneath as a staging level done as a double-ended yard having 4-5 tracks holding ready to go trains.  I don’t envision the staging level to be part of the operational layout.  I plan to build this layout around-the-room in a 10x16 room.  I’d like to run (and stage) passenger trains of 4-7 cars and freights of 10-12 cars.   So, some questions for you experts would include your thoughts on:   A)     How much vertical clearance between levels would you recommend? B)      What would be a good ‘not to exceed’ grade? (obviously related to question A) C)      As a newbie to anything not built on the flat, what am I missing and need to consider?   Thanks in advance!!!   Ben Colley Hallsville, Missouri Follow the Flag!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73866	From: zemouse2001	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Bradford Dinner touch up

Great information and greatly appreciated. I will probably do a touch up (a '5 ft finish' using your words) - disassemble, cleanup and just paint the bad spots, leave the existing decals alone and probably try to replace the missing signage on the left end. Should be fun and look neat. The next owner can carry it forward if they want!! Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <djdewey@...> wrote: > > When I do touch up work on an item that I'm trying to save as much of the > factory finish as possible, I search for a matching paint (usually I'm doint > locomotives, which takes a semi-gloss black, (semi-flat is different!) so > paint match isn't difficult. Then I figure out how to apply the touch > up--first, clean the object--carefully! I often use a flat toothpick, or a > very small sable brush and try to only replace the chipped out area. This > sometimes takes more than one application--less is better! I have been known > to take pilots and cylinder castings and spray paint them--and once I used > blue painter's tape to cover engine numbers and re-did the whole boiler. You > leave the tape loose around the edges, and thus avoid a paint masking > line--the rivets around the number area help hide the blend. > In the case of the diner, not having seen it, I would likely have used a > sable brush and just applied paint to the chipped areas. Too late now for > that suggestion now, though! (I was out of town and did not have easy access > to the internet). > My 314AW had a case of the measles, and I used the old toothpick with a drop > of paint to give it a pretty nice "vaccination"--I'd call it a "5-foot" > finish (from 5 feet away, it looks good!). > Just some ideas, folks! > S' > David D. > PS Happy New Years! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73867	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-level layout guidance

Ben,  sounds like a neat set up you have planned. Some where on the internet there is a formula that will tell you how many feet and or inches of an incline is needed to reach a given % grade. The gentler the grade the longer the incline will be. For O and S minimum 7 or so inches between top of rails and bottom of the upper deck should do unless you have some tall rolling stock like cranes and maybe intermodal double stack type cars.  Keep in mind that the greater the grade the shorter the trains will be to climb without straining. Just a thought as you are building an around the room type layout if I was going to try that I would plan on making the yard on the 16' side with a helix on each end connecting to the main layout there are some helix calculators out there some where as well. I am sure others out there can be of more help. From: Ben E. Colley <bencolley@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Multi-level layout guidance   Happy new year to all!!   I would really like to build a multi-level layout – the top level to be the running level, and the second level underneath as a staging level done as a double-ended yard having 4-5 tracks holding ready to go trains.  I don’t envision the staging level to be part of the operational layout.  I plan to build this layout around-the-room in a 10x16 room.  I’d like to run (and stage) passenger trains of 4-7 cars and freights of 10-12 cars.   So, some questions for you experts would include your thoughts on:   A)     How much vertical clearance between levels would you recommend? B)      What would be a good ‘not to exceed’ grade? (obviously related to question A) C)      As a newbie to anything not built on the flat, what am I missing and need to consider?   Thanks in advance!!!   Ben Colley Hallsville, Missouri Follow the Flag!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73868	From: mike jones	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: American Models Flex Track Radius

Hi All, I am in the process of putting together a layout and want to use American Models Flex Track. My question is that i am using 4ft boards to turn. Will the Flex track fit inside the 4 ft board? Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73869	From: zemouse2001	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-level layout guidance

No answers for you but I am very interested in seeing the answers as this pretty much mirrors my future plans. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben E. Colley" <bencolley@...> wrote: > > Happy new year to all!! > > > > I would really like to build a multi-level layout - the top level to be the > running level, and the second level underneath as a staging level done as a > double-ended yard having 4-5 tracks holding ready to go trains. I don't > envision the staging level to be part of the operational layout. I plan to > build this layout around-the-room in a 10x16 room. I'd like to run (and > stage) passenger trains of 4-7 cars and freights of 10-12 cars. > > > > So, some questions for you experts would include your thoughts on: > > > > A) How much vertical clearance between levels would you recommend? > > B) What would be a good 'not to exceed' grade? (obviously related to > question A) > > C) As a newbie to anything not built on the flat, what am I missing and > need to consider? > > > > Thanks in advance!!! > > > > Ben Colley > > Hallsville, Missouri > > Follow the Flag! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73870	From: tennsgauger	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius

I am sure you could make it fit but I personally would not try it.  AM has so much "spring" energy in it when it is bent that it will not be easy to maintain an even curve at the points where two rails are joined.    If was limited to a four foot board to make a turn, I would use their smallest radii sectional curved track.      -  Earl Henry, Nashville   In a message dated 1/1/2014 2:32:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, civicman_97@... writes:   Hi All, I am in the process of putting together a layout and want to use American Models Flex Track. My question is that i am using 4ft boards to turn. Will the Flex track fit inside the 4 ft board? Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73871	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius

5 feet if am is asked -----Original Message----- From: mike jones <civicman_97@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2014 2:32 pm Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Flex Track Radius   Hi All, I am in the process of putting together a layout and want to use American Models Flex Track. My question is that i am using 4ft boards to turn. Will the Flex track fit inside the 4 ft board? Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73872	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-level layout guidance

Hi Ben, I agree with Bruce's suggestions, although I have an underpass with a six inch clearance and it seems to work just fine for me.  I haven't run into anything where it is a problem.  However, if you have the room and can make the grade long enough then seven inches would be even better.  I have a grade that rises to the six inches in a length of twenty-six feet and again I haven't run into anything where that is a problem.  That is a 1.9 % grade.  My goal was to keep the grade under 2%.  I have read, but haven't tested it, that a grade up to 3% would work, at least for most locos and consists, although that grade might be about the desirable limit.  The lower the grade, the better.  Anything over 3% may not work as well although I haven't tried that.  On a smaller layout board, a helix might be just the thing as Bruce suggested. Tom On 1/1/2014 1:08 PM, bruce weidner wrote:   Ben,  sounds like a neat set up you have planned. Some where on the internet there is a formula that will tell you how many feet and or inches of an incline is needed to reach a given % grade. The gentler the grade the longer the incline will be. For O and S minimum 7 or so inches between top of rails and bottom of the upper deck should do unless you have some tall rolling stock like cranes and maybe intermodal double stack type cars.  Keep in mind that the greater the grade the shorter the trains will be to climb without straining. Just a thought as you are building an around the room type layout if I was going to try that I would plan on making the yard on the 16' side with a helix on each end connecting to the main layout there are some helix calculators out there some where as well. I am sure others out there can be of more help. From: Ben E. Colley <bencolley@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Multi-level layout guidance   Happy new year to all!!   I would really like to build a multi-level layout – the top level to be the running level, and the second level underneath as a staging level done as a double-ended yard having 4-5 tracks holding ready to go trains.  I don’t envision the staging level to be part of the operational layout.  I plan to build this layout around-the-room in a 10x16 room.  I’d like to run (and stage) passenger trains of 4-7 cars and freights of 10-12 cars.   So, some questions for you experts would include your thoughts on:   A)     How much vertical clearance between levels would you recommend? B)      What would be a good ‘not to exceed’ grade? (obviously related to question A) C)      As a newbie to anything not built on the flat, what am I missing and need to consider?   Thanks in advance!!!   Ben Colley Hallsville, Missouri Follow the Flag!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73873	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-level layout guidance

Just a brief note on the grade.�� To calculate the grade, use the following formula: ������ [(rise in inches)/(run in inches)]x100 = grade;�� that is ������ {(height in inches of top of lower track from the bottom of the upper deck) divided by (the length of the grade in Inches)} times 100 equals the percent grade.�� A 2% grade might be a little stiff for longer passenger trains.�� If the engines have 'rubber bands' (pullmor?) on the tires, they probably would pull it up, but you might start to strain the motors/etc.�� A helix probably takes up a lot of space??�� Grades are fun, but often require more room than you planned for - I have that problem and haven't solved it yet.�� Good luck. Rance Velapoldi�� (Tranby, Norway) On 1/1/2014 23:38, Tom Detmer wrote: �� Hi Ben, I agree with Bruce's suggestions, although I have an underpass with a six inch clearance and it seems to work just fine for me.�� I haven't run into anything where it is a problem.�� However, if you have the room and can make the grade long enough then seven inches would be even better.�� I have a grade that rises to the six inches in a length of twenty-six feet and again I haven't run into anything where that is a problem.�� That is a 1.9 % grade.�� My goal was to keep the grade under 2%.�� I have read, but haven't tested it, that a grade up to 3% would work, at least for most locos and consists, although that grade might be about the desirable limit.�� The lower the grade, the better.�� Anything over 3% may not work as well although I haven't tried that.�� On a smaller layout board, a helix might be just the thing as Bruce suggested. Tom On 1/1/2014 1:08 PM, bruce weidner wrote: �� Ben,�� sounds like a neat set up you have planned. Some where on the internet there is a formula that will tell you how many feet and or inches of an incline is needed to reach a given % grade. The gentler the grade the longer the incline will be. For O and S minimum��7 or so inches between top of rails and bottom of the upper deck should do unless you have some tall rolling stock like cranes and maybe intermodal double stack type cars. ��Keep in mind that the greater the grade the shorter the trains will be to climb without straining. Just a thought as you are building an around the room type layout if I was going to try that I would plan on making the yard on the 16' side with a helix on each end connecting to the main layout there are some helix calculators out there some where as well. I am sure others out there can be of more help. From: Ben E. Colley <bencolley@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Multi-level layout guidance �� Happy new year to all!! �� I would really like to build a multi-level layout ��� the top level to be the running level, and the second level underneath as a staging level done as a double-ended yard having 4-5 tracks holding ready to go trains.�� I don���t envision the staging level to be part of the operational layout.�� I plan to build this layout around-the-room in a 10x16 room.�� I���d like to run (and stage) passenger trains of 4-7 cars and freights of 10-12 cars. �� So, some questions for you experts would include your thoughts on: �� A)�������� How much vertical clearance between levels would you recommend? B)���������� What would be a good ���not to exceed��� grade? (obviously related to question A) C)���������� As a newbie to anything not built on the flat, what am I missing and need to consider? �� Thanks in advance!!! �� Ben Colley Hallsville, Missouri Follow the Flag! This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73874	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: Multi-level layout guidance

The NMRA has Standards and Recommended Practices with information that covers this subject. The one for vertical clearances is at: http://www.nmra.org/standards/sandrp/pdf/s-7_2011_02.pdf Keep in mind that those guys are seriously scale people. For toy trains, a little more vertical clearance than the 4 5/16ths inches recommended for modern equipment may not be enough. So, that 6-inch recommendation may be good for you. Another factor to keep in mind is the transitions. A long car going up or down a vertical transition will require more clearance for the middle of the car when the trucks are on either end at the bottom and the top. There is always a compromise to be found between the lowest slope and the smallest vertical clearance. More clearance requires either a steeper slope or a longer run. A helix is a good way to go. It does require track supports that do not interfere with the inside and outside of the curves. Also, a nice long run in the helix to reduce the slope means that the trains will be in there for a long time when you are running trains. To get the required distance, you need a wide radius or an oval track plan - one with a few straight sections on each side. That allows a gentler slope to get the same rise per loop. The percent of the grade is easy to calculate. Divide the rise by the run. For instance, if the track is a regular old, American Flyer circle with (for the sake of argument) a 20-inch radius. The run is the circumference of the circle or about 125 inches. To rise 6 inches over that distance, divide 6 by 125 to get 0.048 or 4.8% in a full circle. Each loop of the helix would allow a rise of 6 inches. For a scenic clearance of 18 inches, you would need 3 loops. You also need to consider the thickness of the track and the supporting structure. Perhaps a quarter inch for the track and half an inch for the wood without scenic roadbed and the rise you would need per loop is 6.75 inches. That would increase the slope to 5.4% - pretty steep. Since the train will be going around a curve all the way, that will also limit the length that any given loco can haul. You might want to experiment a little with a board and a few sections of flex track to see how steeply your engines can pull a train you like to run on the straight. Figure that around the curve of a helix, it will be somewhat less. Then you have some idea what your maximum slope could be. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/1/2014 5:38 PM, Tom Detmer wrote: Hi Ben, I agree with Bruce's suggestions, although I have an underpass with a six inch clearance and it seems to work just fine for me.�� I haven't run into anything where it is a problem.�� However, if you have the room and can make the grade long enough then seven inches would be even better.�� I have a grade that rises to the six inches in a length of twenty-six feet and again I haven't run into anything where that is a problem.�� That is a 1.9 % grade.�� My goal was to keep the grade under 2%.�� I have read, but haven't tested it, that a grade up to 3% would work, at least for most locos and consists, although that grade might be about the desirable limit.�� The lower the grade, the better.�� Anything over 3% may not work as well although I haven't tried that.�� On a smaller layout board, a helix might be just the thing as Bruce suggested. Tom On 1/1/2014 1:08 PM, bruce weidner wrote: �� Ben,�� sounds like a neat set up you have planned. Some where on the internet there is a formula that will tell you how many feet and or inches of an incline is needed to reach a given % grade. The gentler the grade the longer the incline will be. For O and S minimum��7 or so inches between top of rails and bottom of the upper deck should do unless you have some tall rolling stock like cranes and maybe intermodal double stack type cars. ��Keep in mind that the greater the grade the shorter the trains will be to climb without straining. Just a thought as you are building an around the room type layout if I was going to try that I would plan on making the yard on the 16' side with a helix on each end connecting to the main layout there are some helix calculators out there some where as well. I am sure others out there can be of more help. From: Ben E. Colley <bencolley@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Multi-level layout guidance �� Happy new year to all!! �� I would really like to build a multi-level layout ��� the top level to be the running level, and the second level underneath as a staging level done as a double-ended yard having 4-5 tracks holding ready to go trains.�� I don���t envision the staging level to be part of the operational layout.�� I plan to build this layout around-the-room in a 10x16 room.�� I���d like to run (and stage) passenger trains of 4-7 cars and freights of 10-12 cars. �� So, some questions for you experts would include your thoughts on: �� A)�������� How much vertical clearance between levels would you recommend? B)���������� What would be a good ���not to exceed��� grade? (obviously related to question A) C)���������� As a newbie to anything not built on the flat, what am I missing and need to consider? �� Thanks in advance!!! �� Ben Colley Hallsville, Missouri Follow the Flag!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73875	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius

Gee that's too bad.  I've been thinking about trying it to lay 15" radius curves for a small display layout I'm thinking about.   I've already done 15" radius using S Helper Flex Track some years ago. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73876	From: Randall	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

I did a quick search of old messages and files, but could not find what I'm looking for. I know many are using green or red LEDs in the control boxes themselves. But, has anyone figured out how to use the Red/Green LEDs (that are either Red or Green depending on polarity) inside the indicator stands, just behind the ~1/4" lens? Not only would the LEDs seldom require replacement, but some of the mechanical parts could even be eliminated since it would no longer be necessary to have the red or green filter assembly move back & forth. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! :-) Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73877	From: poniaj	Date: 1/1/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius

My new layout has a street car line, and I used AM flextrack,  I bent it to a 9 inch radius, but it wasn't easy.  The rails didn't take kindly to being bent, and the ties didn't allow it.  I ended up removing the ties from the rails, and hand bending the rails to keep the curve, then adding just enough ties to keep the gauging.  Since the rails are embedded in the street, the lack of ties isn't noticeable.  But for a layout with tight curves, the track bends well enough, but you need to take care.  Better to use their sectional track for tight turns, and the flextrack for the straights and gradual curves.  All in all, the AM track system is a good one.  Different numbered turnouts would be nice, but... Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73878	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Super Power Steam"

Today on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com I tell the story of the "Super Power" concept as it was applied to steam locomotives.  This was the work of Lima Locomotive Works' Will Woodard and set the standard for what became the final evolution of the steam locomotive. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73879	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Ebay Alternative

After I retired, I worked part-time at a local Goodwill Store.  Every once and a while we received some good toy train donations.  However, as an employee, store policy did not allow me to buy them.  There was talk that the Goodwill organization had an auction page that listed items available all around the country.  This week I took the time to research it and sure enough, there are 3 pages of toy trains.  Some are just junk, but there are some good buys there.  And, this is an alternative to ebay where one does NOT have to use paypal.  Here is the address: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCat.asp?catID=232&ending=Items I know Yahoo has made it so many of us can no longer click on that and go to the page.  But maybe you can cut and paste it.  I will continue to look for a good alternative to Yahoo.  The O Gauge RR forum is pretty good. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73880	From: mike jones	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius

Thanks everyone. I will try it and see if it will work. If not i will expand my layout..... Mike  On Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:10 AM, "poniaj@..." <poniaj@...> wrote:   My new layout has a street car line, and I used AM flextrack,  I bent it to a 9 inch radius, but it wasn't easy.  The rails didn't take kindly to being bent, and the ties didn't allow it.  I ended up removing the ties from the rails, and hand bending the rails to keep the curve, then adding just enough ties to keep the gauging.  Since the rails are embedded in the street, the lack of ties isn't noticeable.  But for a layout with tight curves, the track bends well enough, but you need to take care.  Better to use their sectional track for tight turns, and the flextrack for the straights and gradual curves.  All in all, the AM track system is a good one.  Different numbered turnouts would be nice, but... Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73881	From: mike jones	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Flex Track Radius

Thanks everyone. I will try it and see if it will work. If not i will expand my layout..... Mike  On Thursday, January 2, 2014 2:10 AM, "poniaj@..." <poniaj@...> wrote:   My new layout has a street car line, and I used AM flextrack,  I bent it to a 9 inch radius, but it wasn't easy.  The rails didn't take kindly to being bent, and the ties didn't allow it.  I ended up removing the ties from the rails, and hand bending the rails to keep the curve, then adding just enough ties to keep the gauging.  Since the rails are embedded in the street, the lack of ties isn't noticeable.  But for a layout with tight curves, the track bends well enough, but you need to take care.  Better to use their sectional track for tight turns, and the flextrack for the straights and gradual curves.  All in all, the AM track system is a good one.  Different numbered turnouts would be nice, but... Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73882	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

I am curious: Have some of you had problems with Pay Pal? Knock on wood, tapping the temple here, PP has always worked great for me, buying or selling. Roy Inman From: <beachy3929@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:45:46 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative           After I retired, I worked part-time at a local Goodwill Store.  Every once and a while we received some good toy train donations.  However, as an employee, store policy did not allow me to buy them.  There was talk that the Goodwill organization had an auction page that listed items available all around the country.  This week I took the time to research it and sure enough, there are 3 pages of toy trains.  Some are just junk, but there are some good buys there.  And, this is an alternative to ebay where one does NOT have to use paypal.  Here is the address: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCat.asp?catID=232&ending=Items I know Yahoo has made it so many of us can no longer click on that and go to the page.  But maybe you can cut and paste it.  I will continue to look for a good alternative to Yahoo. &n bsp;The O Gauge RR forum is pretty good. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73883	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

I've had no problems. I do around 30 or more transactions a year.  Neil On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote:   I am curious: Have some of you had problems with Pay Pal? Knock on wood, tapping the temple here, PP has always worked great for me, buying or selling. Roy Inman From: <beachy3929@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:45:46 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative           After I retired, I worked part-time at a local Goodwill Store.  Every once and a while we received some good toy train donations.  However, as an employee, store policy did not allow me to buy them.  There was talk that the Goodwill organization had an auction page that listed items available all around the country.  This week I took the time to research it and sure enough, there are 3 pages of toy trains.  Some are just junk, but there are some good buys there.  And, this is an alternative to ebay where one does NOT have to use paypal.  Here is the address: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCat.asp?catID=232&ending=Items I know Yahoo has made it so many of us can no longer click on that and go to the page.  But maybe you can cut and paste it.  I will continue to look for a good alternative to Yahoo. &n bsp;The O Gauge RR forum is pretty good. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73884	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

Hi Roy-- No Problems!! Either paying or receiving money. They are especially great w/ fraud protection and mistaken charges w/ the debit/credit.card. Thanks CJB  Clement J Bianchi ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal   I am curious: Have some of you had problems with Pay Pal? Knock on wood, tapping the temple here, PP has always worked great for me, buying or selling. Roy Inman From: <beachy3929@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:45:46 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative           After I retired, I worked part-time at a local Goodwill Store.  Every once and a while we received some good toy train donations.  However, as an employee, store policy did not allow me to buy them.  There was talk that the Goodwill organization had an auction page that listed items available all around the country.  This week I took the time to research it and sure enough, there are 3 pages of toy trains.  Some are just junk, but there are some good buys there.  And, this is an alternative to ebay where one does NOT have to use paypal.  Here is the address: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCat.asp?catID=232&ending=Items I know Yahoo has made it so many of us can no longer click on that and go to the page.  But maybe you can cut and paste it.  I will continue to look for a good alternative to Yahoo. &n bsp;The O Gauge RR forum is pretty good. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73885	From: calleytwo	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

No - not in recent years - before PayPal was taken over by eBay about 5 years ago there were a few security problems, which was one reason eBay took them over and cleaned up the whole thing. It is now one of the most secure online ways of paying. I might suspect that it might be good old  reluctance to put anything down that could be traced by the IRS. On the other hand may be just a dislike by a minority that doesn't like a company like eBay being so big. I would suspect the same detractors are the ones finding it difficult to adapt to the changes (admittedly retrogate but still workable) to Yahoo. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:10:47 -0600 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal   I am curious: Have some of you had problems with Pay Pal? Knock on wood, tapping the temple here, PP has always worked great for me, buying or selling. Roy Inman From: <beachy3929@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:45:46 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative           After I retired, I worked part-time at a local Goodwill Store.  Every once and a while we received some good toy train donations.  However, as an employee, store policy did not allow me to buy them.  There was talk that the Goodwill organization had an auction page that listed items available all around the country.  This week I took the time to research it and sure enough, there are 3 pages of toy trains.  Some are just junk, but there are some good buys there.  And, this is an alternative to ebay where one does NOT have to use paypal.  Here is the address: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCat.asp?catID=232&ending=Items I know Yahoo has made it so many of us can no longer click on that and go to the page.  But maybe you can cut and paste it.  I will continue to look for a good alternative to Yahoo. &n bsp;The O Gauge RR forum is pretty good. Wayne     ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73886	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

I have had no issues with Paypal. I find that most who have issues with it are ones that don't like paying for it.  Most don't even give a second thought to paying the 3-4% that they pay in a round about way,when using a credit card. Mike   In a message dated 1/2/2014 10:56:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes:   I am curious: Have some of you had problems with Pay Pal? Knock on wood, tapping the temple here, PP has always worked great for me, buying or selling. Roy Inman From: <beachy3929@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:45:46 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative           After I retired, I worked part-time at a local Goodwill Store.  Every once and a while we received some good toy train donations.  However, as an employee, store policy did not allow me to buy them.  There was talk that the Goodwill organization had an auction page that listed items available all around the country.  This week I took the time to research it and sure enough, there are 3 pages of toy trains.  Some are just junk, but there are some good buys there.  And, this is an alternative to ebay where one does NOT have to use paypal.  Here is the address: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCat.asp?catID=232&ending=Items I know Yahoo has made it so many of us can no longer click on that and go to the page.  But maybe you can cut and paste it.  I will continue to look for a good alternative to Yahoo. &n bsp;The O Gauge RR forum is pretty good. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73887	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

No problems here for over five years. Now running 5-10 transactions a week. The manager of my bank says it's the only payment method he will ever use on ebay. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:35 PM, "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> wrote:   I have had no issues with Paypal. I find that most who have issues with it are ones that don't like paying for it.  Most don't even give a second thought to paying the 3-4% that they pay in a round about way,when using a credit card. Mike   In a message dated 1/2/2014 10:56:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes:   I am curious: Have some of you had problems with Pay Pal? Knock on wood, tapping the temple here, PP has always worked great for me, buying or selling. Roy Inman From: <beachy3929@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:45:46 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative           After I retired, I worked part-time at a local Goodwill Store.  Every once and a while we received some good toy train donations.  However, as an employee, store policy did not allow me to buy them.  There was talk that the Goodwill organization had an auction page that listed items available all around the country.  This week I took the time to research it and sure enough, there are 3 pages of toy trains.  Some are just junk, but there are some good buys there.  And, this is an alternative to ebay where one does NOT have to use paypal.  Here is the address: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCat.asp?catID=232&ending=Items I know Yahoo has made it so many of us can no longer click on that and go to the page.  But maybe you can cut and paste it.  I will continue to look for a good alternative to Yahoo. &n bsp;The O Gauge RR forum is pretty good. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73888	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

I asked because one person referenced another way to buy trains besides eBay and he emphasized that it was NOT necessary to use Pay Pal. I like it because the vendor never sees your banking information. Seems to me that if one deals with multiple vendors the possibility of fraud are multiplied. With Pay Pal there is only one source that has the information. Something goes south, at least we know who to come after:  One instead of many. Roy Inman From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 14:27:57 -0800 (PST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal           No problems here for over five years. Now running 5-10 transactions a week. The manager of my bank says it's the only payment method he will ever use on ebay. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org           On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:35 PM, "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> wrote:                I have had no issues with Paypal. I find that most who have issues with it are ones that don't like paying for it.  Most don't even give a second thought to paying the 3-4% that they pay in a round about way,when using a credit card. Mike   In a message dated 1/2/2014 10:56:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes:   I am curious: Have some of you had problems with Pay  Pal? Knock on wood, tapping the temple here, PP has always worked great for  me, buying or selling. Roy Inman   From: <beachy3929@...> Reply-To:  S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date:  Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:45:46 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject:  [S-Trains] Ebay  Alternative           After I retired, I  worked part-time at a local Goodwill Store.  Every once and a while we  received some good toy train donations.  However, as an employee, store  policy did not allow me to buy them.  There was talk that the Goodwill  organization had an auction page that listed items available all around the  country.  This week I took the time to research it and sure enough, there  are 3 pages of toy trains.  Some are just junk, but there are some good  buys there.  And, this is an alternative to ebay where one does NOT have  to use paypal.  Here is the address: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCat.asp?catID=232&ending=Items I  know Yahoo has made it so many of us can no longer click on that and go to the  page.  But maybe you can cut and paste it.  I will continue to look  for a good alternative to Yahoo. &n bsp;The O Gauge RR forum is pretty  good. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73889	From: johntech	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

HI Roy   I too have been using PayPal for over 5 years and I had to use them for 1 transaction where the seller sent me a broken piece of equipment. I filed a complaint against the seller to put a hold on the funds until the he corrected the broken equipment. I ALWAYS use PayPal for that very reason!! That was the 1 and only time I needed that part of PayPal.   John Frankforther     ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Inman To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal   I asked because one person referenced another way to buy trains besides eBay and he emphasized that it was NOT necessary to use Pay Pal. I like it because the vendor never sees your banking information. Seems to me that if one deals with multiple vendors the possibility of fraud are multiplied. With Pay Pal there is only one source that has the information. Something goes south, at least we know who to come after:  One instead of many. Roy Inman From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 14:27:57 -0800 (PST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal           No problems here for over five years. Now running 5-10 transactions a week. The manager of my bank says it's the only payment method he will ever use on ebay. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org           On Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:35 PM, "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> wrote:                I have had no issues with Paypal. I find that most who have issues with it are ones that don't like paying for it.  Most don't even give a second thought to paying the 3-4% that they pay in a round about way,when using a credit card. Mike   In a message dated 1/2/2014 10:56:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: I am curious: Have some of you had problems with Pay  Pal? Knock on wood, tapping the temple here, PP has always worked great for  me, buying or selling. Roy Inman   From: <beachy3929@...> Reply-To:  S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date:  Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:45:46 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject:  [S-Trains] Ebay  Alternative           After I retired, I  worked part-time at a local Goodwill Store.  Every once and a while we  received some good toy train donations.  However, as an employee, store  policy did not allow me to buy them.  There was talk that the Goodwill  organization had an auction page that listed items available all around the  country.  This week I took the time to research it and sure enough, there  are 3 pages of toy trains.  Some are just junk, but there are some good  buys there.  And, this is an alternative to ebay where one does NOT have  to use paypal.  Here is the address: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCat.asp?catID=232&ending=Items I  know Yahoo has made it so many of us can no longer click on that and go to the  page.  But maybe you can cut and paste it.  I will continue to look  for a good alternative to Yahoo. &n bsp;The O Gauge RR forum is pretty  good. Wayne                       This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73890	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 1/2/2014
Subject: [harrimanstandardlines] Franciscan Hobbies [1 Attachment]

Attachments : Franciscan.JPG ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: scale S only <scalesonly@...> To: harrimanstandardlines@yahoogroups.com; AIRops@yahoogroups.com; NASGmembers <nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:56 PM Subject: [nasgmembers] Re: [harrimanstandardlines] Franciscan Hobbies [1 Attachment]   Franciscan Hobbies in San Francisco is closing.   This is indeed sad news.   I used to take the train up from Palo Alto to 3rd & Townsend, hike over to Market and catch the trolley out to Ocean to visit the shop (other side of the street back then).   Bill Gunther was always an inspiration, and his shop was an inspiration for my own.    Time marches on...   Happy new year! Bill Winans

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73891	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

Not really any of those reasons.  Mainly, no matter how safe a company says their system is, I don't trust putting my information on a web page.  It is bad enough now when even places like Target can't keep it safe.  I did have some trouble getting my money from paypal a few years ago, but like you said ebay may have fixed that.  I was still buying on ebay from sellers who would either accept a personal check or take credit card over the phone.  Nothing is perfectly safe, but I just felt better doing that.  My credit card has the same safety features as paypal so that does not worry me.  I stopped buying on ebay when ebay would not let you complete a transaction without going through paypal.  That is monopoly and I oppose monopoly.  So now I buy mostly at shows where I can feel the item and I can talk to the seller face to face.  I feel more comfortable that way.  And I don't need anyone to tell me how to lead my life. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73892	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

Good point. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73893	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

I've been using PayPal ever since they launched as Xorcom, long before they were bought by eBay. I've never had an issue with sending or receiving money through them. Unfortunately I have had problems using my credit card on other sites several times. Once Amazon security even called me because someone had tried to buy a big ticket item from them using my credit card info. They were suspicious because the shipping address was different. My credit union account was compromised twice in the same day last year when someone apparently used the numbers to make two $400 purchases at two local Walmarts just a few minutes apart. I had the card in my possession when that happened. I was told that the criminals figure out the number sequences and make fake credit cards and they just hit upon my numbers as they had received several hundred complaints that week. The criminals test the fake cards first by making a small purchase like buying an iTune online to see if it is accepted. Walmart is particularly bad because they often do not ask for a second identification when you make a large credit card purchase. I discovered this when I bought a big screen TV in person last year and they never once asked for any identification other than running the card as credit and having me sign the slip. I did have an issue on eBay some years ago when a seller who only took money orders shipped the wrong item and when I asked to return it and get the right item, he filed a "non-pay bidder" complaint against me that was finally removed. It is much harder to get eBay to fix something than PayPal. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73894	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

Hi Randy, I have seen no responses from anyone with experience. Seems like a good question to me. The real technical problem is that the light inside the indicator stands receives constant power. Nothing changes when the switch is thrown. So, there would need to be some modifications and they might not be easily accomplished. One way to change colors is to use a two-color LED. Typically, they are made from two diodes internally wired to accept opposite polarity. Provide DC (+) to black and (-) to yellow to get one color. Swap it to be (-) to black and (+) to yellow to get the other color. Such a scheme would interfere with the operation of the coils since those parts use the black as a common lead. We would need several external circuit elements to make a think like that work and that would be the simplest approach. Another idea would be to add wires and to rework the connections to the indicator lamp. Then, it might be possible to either use the polarity swap for a two-color LED or add a second LED inside the case. In either technique, there would still need to be some external components that [1] are controlled by the switch controls and [2] accomplish the required switching. That being said, we also need to remember that LEDs are much more directional than are incandescent bulbs. Once a scheme is wired and working, there will be a need to add some internal reflectors to get the main brightness out those ports on the sides for the lamp covers. All of that tells me it is possible, but complicated. The switch tracks would require some modification and getting the external components right might be costly. I wonder if anyone else has any thoughts. Happy New Year, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/1/2014 11:28 PM, Randall wrote: > I did a quick search of old messages and files, but could not find what I'm looking for. I know many are using green or red LEDs in the control boxes themselves. But, has anyone figured out how to use the Red/Green LEDs (that are either Red or Green depending on polarity) inside the indicator stands, just behind the ~1/4" lens? Not only would the LEDs seldom require replacement, but some of the mechanical parts could even be eliminated since it would no longer be necessary to have the red or green filter assembly move back & forth. > > Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! :-) > > Regards, Randy Griggs > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73895	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

EBay no longer forces you to pay via PayPal. I accept money orders, Chase QuickPay (a PayPal competitor), and even personal checks. And, of course, cash works for local pick up. The reason eBay started requiring PayPal is the large number of complaints they were getting from Sellers about counterfeit money orders, bogus checks, and stopped payments. They didn't do it in order to get a monopoly, but to protect their sellers. EBay and PayPal are worthy of criticism for some things, but monopoly isn't one. As far as feeling safe, I feel safer with my credit card and bank account number in only one place rather than sending them to lots of vendors and individual sellers all over the country, and even outside the country. Using PayPal, all of those various vendors and individuals see nothing but my email address. I feel even safer using Chase QuickPay, because the one place it resides is in my bank, which already has my bank account number! That's safety. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jan 3, 2014, at 5:58 AM, <beachy3929@...> wrote:   Not really any of those reasons.  Mainly, no matter how safe a company says their system is, I don't trust putting my information on a web page.  It is bad enough now when even places like Target can't keep it safe.  I did have some trouble getting my money from paypal a few years ago, but like you said ebay may have fixed that.  I was still buying on ebay from sellers who would either accept a personal check or take credit card over the phone.  Nothing is perfectly safe, but I just felt better doing that.  My credit card has the same safety features as paypal so that does not worry me.  I stopped buying on ebay when ebay would not let you complete a transaction without going through paypal.  That is monopoly and I oppose monopoly.  So now I buy mostly at shows where I can feel the item and I can talk to the seller face to face.  I feel more comfortable that way.  And I don't need anyone to tell me how to lead my life. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73896	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

Exactly right, but I think the electrical wiring is simpler than that. I think you just need a four-pole double throw latching relay between each side of the switch control box and its switch. That would enable you to reverse the polarity on all four posts of the switch at the same time. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:   Hi Randy, I have seen no responses from anyone with experience. Seems like a good question to me. The real technical problem is that the light inside the indicator stands receives constant power. Nothing changes when the switch is thrown. So, there would need to be some modifications and they might not be easily accomplished. One way to change colors is to use a two-color LED. Typically, they are made from two diodes internally wired to accept opposite polarity. Provide DC (+) to black and (-) to yellow to get one color. Swap it to be (-) to black and (+) to yellow to get the other color. Such a scheme would interfere with the operation of the coils since those parts use the black as a common lead. We would need several external circuit elements to make a think like that work and that would be the simplest approach. Another idea would be to add wires and to rework the connections to the indicator lamp. Then, it might be possible to either use the polarity swap for a two-color LED or add a second LED inside the case. In either technique, there would still need to be some external components that [1] are controlled by the switch controls and [2] accomplish the required switching. That being said, we also need to remember that LEDs are much more directional than are incandescent bulbs. Once a scheme is wired and working, there will be a need to add some internal reflectors to get the main brightness out those ports on the sides for the lamp covers. All of that tells me it is possible, but complicated. The switch tracks would require some modification and getting the external components right might be costly. I wonder if anyone else has any thoughts. Happy New Year, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/1/2014 11:28 PM, Randall wrote: > I did a quick search of old messages and files, but could not find what I'm looking for. I know many are using green or red LEDs in the control boxes themselves. But, has anyone figured out how to use the Red/Green LEDs (that are either Red or Green depending on polarity) inside the indicator stands, just behind the ~1/4" lens? Not only would the LEDs seldom require replacement, but some of the mechanical parts could even be eliminated since it would no longer be necessary to have the red or green filter assembly move back & forth. > > Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! :-) > > Regards, Randy Griggs > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73897	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

The KEY here is it must be DC Voltage...I don't think the pole shift would work on AC...Correct me if I'm wrong...Mike   In a message dated 1/3/2014 8:18:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, theupstairstrain@... writes:   Exactly right, but I think the electrical wiring is simpler than that. I think you just need a four-pole double throw latching relay between each side of the switch control box and its switch. That would enable you to reverse the polarity on all four posts of the switch at the same time. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:   Hi Randy, I have seen no responses from anyone with experience. Seems like a good question to me. The real technical problem is that the light inside the indicator stands receives constant power. Nothing changes when the switch is thrown. So, there would need to be some modifications and they might not be easily accomplished. One way to change colors is to use a two-color LED. Typically, they are made from two diodes internally wired to accept opposite polarity. Provide DC (+) to black and (-) to yellow to get one color. Swap it to be (-) to black and (+) to yellow to get the other color. Such a scheme would interfere with the operation of the coils since those parts use the black as a common lead. We would need several external circuit elements to make a think like that work and that would be the simplest approach. Another idea would be to add wires and to rework the connections to the indicator lamp. Then, it might be possible to either use the polarity swap for a two-color LED or add a second LED inside the case. In either technique, there would still need to be some external components that [1] are controlled by the switch controls and [2] accomplish the required switching. That being said, we also need to remember that LEDs are much more directional than are incandescent bulbs. Once a scheme is wired and working, there will be a need to add some internal reflectors to get the main brightness out those ports on the sides for the lamp covers. All of that tells me it is possible, but complicated. The switch tracks would require some modification and getting the external components right might be costly. I wonder if anyone else has any thoughts. Happy New Year, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/1/2014 11:28 PM, Randall wrote: > I did a quick search of old messages and files, but could not find what I'm looking for. I know many are using green or red LEDs in the control boxes themselves. But, has anyone figured out how to use the Red/Green LEDs (that are either Red or Green depending on polarity) inside the indicator stands, just behind the ~1/4" lens? Not only would the LEDs seldom require replacement, but some of the mechanical parts could even be eliminated since it would no longer be necessary to have the red or green filter assembly move back & forth. > > Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! :-) > > Regards, Randy Griggs > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73898	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

On 1/3/2014 8:25 AM, Bill Porter wrote: > > One way to change colors is to use a two-color LED. Typically, they are > made from two diodes internally wired to accept opposite polarity. > Provide DC (+) to black and (-) to yellow to get one color. Swap it to > be (-) to black and (+) to yellow to get the other color. Such a scheme > would interfere with the operation of the coils since those parts use > the black as a common lead. We would need several external circuit > elements to make a think like that work and that would be the simplest > approach. It sounds to me like you have thought this through pretty thoroughly. The only suggestion I could make is use two bipolar red-green LED's for the indicators and mount them in the lens holes in the caps. An alternative would be to pick up the leads from the lamps in the controller and use these for the LED's in the switch as well. If you are not using straight DC to operate the coils as well, it might take a relay or two to switch the AC to the coils. Since you wouldn't be using the yellow hot wire for the lamp, you would only need one additional wire and use the existing yellow hot wire for one polarity of the LED's. I have a controller apart right now and it looks like this would work just by moving the yellow wire in the 4 wire cable to one bulb contact and adding a second wire for the other one. The other issue is I would like to find some LED's to replace the hot bulbs in the controllers. I did buy some 12 volt red and green LED's but they are much smaller than the globe on the original bulbs. I have a bunch of switches and controllers and might give it a try to see if the whole thing could use 12 volts DC and just add the one lead to the controller for the other polarity of the LED's in the switch. An interesting idea and one I'm sure AC would have used had LED's been available back then. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73899	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

Hank Betz’s mention of his O 3/16” AF reminds me of a guy (as a kid never got the name of the adult) who lived in a house kitty-corner from the Carnegie Library in Brookfield, IL who had a American Flyer O 3/16” layout in his basement.   I was fascinated by the AF trains running on 3 rail track….did not know that there were O versions of the trains I had although I knew then about the earlier AF Chicago production trains.  Has anyone converted these cars to S?   The PRR/NH Caboose and diecast gondola seemed to be pretty neat cars if you didn’t mind runining their collector values. Charlie Vlk

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73900	From: semaphorsignal	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: S Helper Ballast

Can someone suggest a ballast that matches the S Helper sectional track? Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73901	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

On 1/3/2014 9:27 AM, George Cohn wrote: > Replying to myself here. For my idea to work, you need a two color led with three wires. One is common and the other two are for the red or green. Allelectronics has them for 40 cents each, http://tinyurl.com/mqjycdn although you can probably find them elsewhere as well. I'm getting ready to order some parts from them so I'll add a few of these LED's and try it out later next week. You would need to add a 820 ohm resistor for 12 VDC to drop the voltage to the LED. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73902	From: zemouse2001	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

To add to Bill's comments: #1: The power thing is the biggie - you have to figure out a way to provide a 'switch position' electrical signal. Several exotic ways occur to me but I'm probably way over thinking this (one of the many risks of being an electrical engineer!!) #2: The idea of a dual color LED is a great idea #3: The strongly directionality of the LEDs is NOT a problem but rather an asset - you only want the light to go one way and the LEDs will surely provide that. #4: At a risk of doing this with a 720 in front of me - maybe a 'partial' conversion might be worthwhile - just replace the bulb with a two white LEDs (one pointing front, the other pointing back) and leave the filter switching in place. OK, now I will have to dig up a 720!! Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: snip > > The real technical problem is that the light inside the indicator stands > receives constant power. Nothing changes when the switch is thrown. So, > there would need to be some modifications and they might not be easily > accomplished. > > One way to change colors is to use a two-color LED. Snip - great idea!! > > > That being said, we also need to remember that LEDs are much more > directional than are incandescent bulbs. Once a scheme is wired and > working, there will be a need to add some internal reflectors to get the > main brightness out those ports on the sides for the lamp covers. snip As noted above, directionality may not be a problem. > > Bill Porter > The Acreage - Florida > > On 1/1/2014 11:28 PM, Randall wrote: > > I did a quick search of old messages and files, but could not find what I'm looking for. I know many are using green or red LEDs in the control boxes themselves. But, has anyone figured out how to use the Red/Green LEDs (that are either Red or Green depending on polarity) inside the indicator stands, just behind the ~1/4" lens? Not only would the LEDs seldom require replacement, but some of the mechanical parts could even be eliminated since it would no longer be necessary to have the red or green filter assembly move back & forth. > > > > Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! :-) > > > > Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73903	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

I have had a problem crop up with PayPal recently and it is ongoing. It used to be that you could pay with a credit card of your choice. That has been inactivated. Although the button is still there it does not do anything. All charges go to the Pay Pal Card. When I updated my account everything looks just fine including the card designated as Primary. But when the invoice comes up all the old info is still there including old phone numbers and everything including out of date credit cards including "PayPal". It is disgusting and calling leads to a run around. This is why use of E-Bay is being ramped down very quickly by me because it is obviously developing weird software issues. Tony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73904	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

A perfect summary. Well-done Bob. I believe there is also a newish Federal requirement for reporting. Pretty sure that is not going on yet, but, may be in the future. Online transactions are supposed to have a means of on line reporting. Pay Pal, credit and debit cards, other payment services all are capable of meeting that requirement whenever it becomes enforced. My sad story is that a few years back, I won an auction for a locomotive. The seller had plenty of good feedback and no negatives. Sent a money order. Never received a thing. Never got any replies to my repeated messages. eBay could do nothing since the payment method was outside their control. Case opened and then closed with no joy. The seller ID disappeared after a few months. I was out the money. I suspected that the seller had died and that his family did nothing to resolve the eBay account. I will never know. I would not have had that problem if I had used PayPal to pay. Happy New Year, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/3/2014 10:51 AM, The Upstairs Train wrote: EBay no longer forces you to pay via PayPal. I accept money orders, Chase QuickPay (a��PayPal��competitor), and even personal checks. And, of course, cash works for local pick up. The reason eBay started requiring PayPal is the large number of complaints they were getting from Sellers about counterfeit money orders, bogus checks, and stopped payments. They didn't do it in order to get a monopoly, but to protect their sellers. EBay and PayPal are worthy of criticism for some things, but monopoly isn't one. As far as feeling safe, I feel safer with my credit card and bank account number in only one place rather than sending them to lots of vendors and individual sellers all over the country, and even outside the country. Using PayPal, all of those��various vendors and individuals see nothing but my email address. I feel even safer using Chase��QuickPay, because the one place it resides is in my bank, which already has my bank account number! That's safety. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73905	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

Ah, I understand now. You tend to oppose dealing with a company that has a monopoly. I can relate. But in some cases, a monopoly is a good thing. Like utilities for example. I believe the reason that eBay used to have the Pay Pal only policy was to protect their sellers. Too many were receiving bogus CC#s, bounced checks and bad money orders. Roy Inman From: <beachy3929@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 05:58:08 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal           Not really any of those reasons.  Mainly, no matter how safe a company says their system is, I don't trust putting my information on a web page.  It is bad enough now when even places like Target can't keep it safe.  I did have some trouble getting my money from paypal a few years ago, but like you said ebay may have fixed that.  I was still buying on ebay from sellers who would either accept a personal check or take credit card over the phone.  Nothing is perfectly safe, but I just felt better doing that.  My credit card has the same safety features as paypal so that does not worry me.  I stopped buying on ebay when ebay would not let you complete a transaction without going through paypal.  That is monopoly and I oppose monopoly.  So now I buy mostly at shows where I can feel the item and I can talk to the seller face to face.  I feel more comfortable that way.  And I don't need anyone to tell me how to lead my life. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73906	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later/ 3/16" O gauge

I know the late Bruce Manson of TCA fame converted several AF O gauge cars to S. A direct conversion from the factory was the die cast Virginian hopper. The prewar version simply had S gauge trucks mounted (attached with screws) for the 1946 model year. I agree that the diecast gondolas and cabooses were wonderful models. If any of you S gaugers have always wanted to own a few pieces of 3/16" O gauge, I have four (4) #495 GL (dark green/lighted) coaches for sale. These are the equivalent of the post war #650 coaches but made of tin instead of plastic. I also have a #484 caboose for sale. Let me know if you're interested...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73907	From: Yahoo! Inc	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Ballast

Jack, What color are you looking for? I may be able to mix something together to get what you want. I make ballast for model trains from real stone and bricks of all different colors so I maybe able to come up with something. thanks, Arthur Elks Jr Arthur Elks Jr (Bucky) 722 Hamlet Hwy Bennettsville, SC 29512 843-544-0292 www.buckstrainsunlimited.com Buck's Ballast Makers of real railroad ballast Specializing in HO,N, and O Scale From: "semaphorsignal@..." <semaphorsignal@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 3, 2014 1:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper Ballast   Can someone suggest a ballast that matches the S Helper sectional track? Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73908	From: calleytwo	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

I have Flyer S and O with identical locos. I enjoy tehm both and will always have my s but I still run the O . Please leave the diecast alone - they are too rare to be subject to butchery. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:45:36 -0600 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 302 65 years later   Hank Betz’s mention of his O 3/16” AF reminds me of a guy (as a kid never got the name of the adult) who lived in a house kitty-corner from the Carnegie Library in Brookfield, IL who had a American Flyer O 3/16” layout in his basement.   I was fascinated by the AF trains running on 3 rail track….did not know that there were O versions of the trains I had although I knew then about the earlier AF Chicago production trains.  Has anyone converted these cars to S?   The PRR/NH Caboose and diecast gondola seemed to be pretty neat cars if you didn’t mind runining their collector values. Charlie Vlk ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73909	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Plasticville Needed

Greetings! My thanks for the tips on staying coupled to the 370 .... a small round file works well. The weight of the snow/shoe here in Michigan has collapsed the roof on our red roofed Cape House. Where might I turn to find replacement parts? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73910	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Plasticville Needed

Hi you might contact Tom Seccia he has a lot or replacement parts for plasticville seccia@...   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Hancock Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Plasticville Needed     Greetings! My thanks for the tips on staying coupled to the 370 .... a small round file works well. The weight of the snow/shoe here in Michigan has collapsed the roof on our red roofed Cape House. Where might I turn to find replacement parts? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73911	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: S scale trains for sale

what is left? ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: undisclosed recipients: ; Subject: [S-Trains] S scale trains for sale Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:21:43 -0700 (PDT)   Below is a list of S scale trains I'm selling for a guy that visited our train club.  For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer I can't refuse! Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total. Qty Mfg Model Short Description Notes Condition Box book value 1 AF 322 Hudson locomotive Lettering faded on one side of tender; coupler is broken and needs to be replaced; the bracket in the cab that holds the drawbar has broken out of the cab; I don't know whether it can be fixed. C-6 N ??? 1 AF 474 Chrome Rocket Alco powered PA E-Unit works reliably, but engine struggles to move either direction; needs servicing; has all four ladders; most of the chrome is VG, only a few flaking spots, but the nose is covered with silver tape; front right wheel well is broken out; middle horn is broken C-5 N $85.00 1 AF 474 Chrome Rocket Alco PA shell horns and ladders missing; lettering & decals VG; chrome is faded, but has very little flaking C-5/C-6 N $20.00 1 AF 633 Unpainted red B&O Boxcar Diecast frame. One door nib and both latches missing; only slight roof warping; no rust; clear lettering; significant scratching C-5 N $10.00 1 AF 638 AF Caboose Two steps, two journal boxes, chimney, & railings missing; catwalk end & roof corner broken off; crack in one side; moderate scratching; rusty trucks and frame C-3 N $1.00 1 AF 640 hopper unpainted gray with white lettering; one missing step; otherwise C-7 C-6/C-7 N $11.00 1 AF 650 Unpainted red New Haven Coach Car diecast frame; white framing is almost all worn off; small roof warp; some scratching; no rust; very good lettering C-5/C-6 N $30.00 1 AF 650 Unpainted red New Haven Coach Car diecast frame; white framing is almost all worn off; lettering badly faded; small roof warp; crack in one side; some scratching; no rust C-5 N $22.00 1 AF 651 AFL Baggage Car Incipient rust on trucks and frame; playwear paint loss on high spots; top is pretty badly scratched; sides ok C-5 N $35.00 1 AF 651 New Haven Baggage Car diecast frame; moderate scratching C-5/C-6 N $20.00 1 AF 655 New Haven Coach windows and diffuser are missing; frame is badly rusted; wheels are dirty; white trim is in remarkably good condition; top and sides are badly scratched C-4 N $10.00 1 AF 655 New Haven Coach windows and diffuser are missing; frame is badly rusted; wheels are dirty; white trim is in remarkably good condition; top and sides are badly scratched C-4 N $10.00 1 AF 660 Aluminum Combo Car I cleaned wheels and dirty door; secured loose windows on both sides; straightened bent door; scratches in aluminum make it C-6 C-6 N $45.00 1 AF 661 Aluminum Coach Car I cleaned wheels; secured loose windows on both sides; scratches in aluminum make it C-6 C-6 N $65.00 1 AF 662 Aluminum Vista Dome Car I cleaned wheels; secured loose windows on one side; scratches in aluminum & dome make it C-6 C-6 N $55.00 1 AF 663 Aluminum Observation Car I cleaned wheels; secured loose windows on back; discoloration in back and scratches in aluminum make it C-6 C-6 N $65.00 1 AF 690 Track Terminal C-7 N $1.00 1 AF 702 curved track no pins C-6 N $0.50 1 AF 715 Auto unloading flatcar works well and is C-6/C-7 condition, but car is missing; toy truck substituted; such 715s sell for $60. C-6/C-7 N $60.00 1 AF 722 Manual Switches one has two badly rusted rails C-5 N $10.00 1 AF 938 AFL Caboose one catwalk end cracked; top badly scratched C-5/C-6 N $7.00 1 AF 9500 SP Combo Car C-10 Y $90.00 1 AF 9503 SP Observation Car C-10 Y $90.00 1 AF 21088 Franklin engine struggles to run – needs servicing; part of Franklin sticker is missing; bell needs to be glued back on C-6 N $85.00 1 AF 24720 Unpainted FY&PRR Coach Car one big scratch C-6/C-7 N $36.00 1 AF 24730 Unpainted FY&PRR Baggage Car C-6/C-7 N $35.00 1 AF 24740 Unpainted FY&PRR Combo Car chimney missing; couple of bad scratches C-6 N $40.00 1 AF D2007 1957 catalog P-9 N $38.00 4 GarGraves S Gauge track 37” straight rigid stainless steel track Ex N $38.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]   ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. peaklife.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73912	From: doerryn	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

One option (I think) is to use normal green and red LEDs, and mount them in the holes for the shutter. If you connect the two red LEDs in anti-parallel and the two green LEDs in anti-parallel, then connect the red LEDS, the green LEDS, and a 1K resistor in series, you can drive them from the yellow and black terminals supplying the 16 volts AC. May have to add a divider between the green and red LEDs to keep the light from the "wrong" LED from going through the lens. The shutter should align the proper LED color with the lens. Connecting the LEDs in "anti-parallel" will ensure their reverse-breakdown voltage is not exceeded (since the forward voltage drop of an LED is less than the reverse breakdown voltage of its partner). Each LED of a given color is powered by the appropriate Half Cycle of the AC waveform. If you power the switch with DC power, only one LED of each color will light up. I haven't tried this yet, but its on my list. This solution won't eliminate the mechanical parts, but it will reduce the heat generated by the light bulb. The LEDs will likely never need replacement. If you have your heart set on using the bi-color LEDs, you could use a small "rare earth" magnet (Radio Shack has a 3/16 inch round one that works well) and either a small reed switch or a hall effect sensor to detect the position of the solenoid. You could them use two inverters (74HC04) to drive the LED. A DC power supply could be obtained from a bridge rectifier, filter capacitor and a voltage regulator (7805) from the yellow and black terminals. Good Luck and have a great day, Norbert Doerry Burke, VA http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "zemouse2001" <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > To add to Bill's comments: > #1: The power thing is the biggie - you have to figure out a way to provide a 'switch position' electrical signal. Several exotic ways occur to me but I'm probably way over thinking this (one of the many risks of being an electrical engineer!!) > > #2: The idea of a dual color LED is a great idea > > #3: The strongly directionality of the LEDs is NOT a problem but rather an asset - you only want the light to go one way and the LEDs will surely provide that. > > #4: At a risk of doing this with a 720 in front of me - maybe a 'partial' conversion might be worthwhile - just replace the bulb with a two white LEDs (one pointing front, the other pointing back) and leave the filter switching in place. > > OK, now I will have to dig up a 720!! > > Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@> wrote: > snip > > > > The real technical problem is that the light inside the indicator stands > > receives constant power. Nothing changes when the switch is thrown. So, > > there would need to be some modifications and they might not be easily > > accomplished. > > > > One way to change colors is to use a two-color LED. > > Snip - great idea!! > > > > > > > That being said, we also need to remember that LEDs are much more > > directional than are incandescent bulbs. Once a scheme is wired and > > working, there will be a need to add some internal reflectors to get the > > main brightness out those ports on the sides for the lamp covers. > snip > As noted above, directionality may not be a problem. > > > > > Bill Porter > > The Acreage - Florida > > > > On 1/1/2014 11:28 PM, Randall wrote: > > > I did a quick search of old messages and files, but could not find what I'm looking for. I know many are using green or red LEDs in the control boxes themselves. But, has anyone figured out how to use the Red/Green LEDs (that are either Red or Green depending on polarity) inside the indicator stands, just behind the ~1/4" lens? Not only would the LEDs seldom require replacement, but some of the mechanical parts could even be eliminated since it would no longer be necessary to have the red or green filter assembly move back & forth. > > > > > > Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! :-) > > > > > > Regards, Randy Griggs >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73913	From: James Lyle	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Plasticville Needed

What color do you need?? Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:45 PM, "Stanley Sobieski" <americanflyer@...> wrote: Hi you might contact Tom Seccia he has a lot or replacement parts for plasticville seccia@...   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Hancock Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Plasticville Needed     Greetings! My thanks for the tips on staying coupled to the 370 .... a small round file works well. The weight of the snow/shoe here in Michigan has collapsed the roof on our red roofed Cape House. Where might I turn to find replacement parts? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73914	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/3/2014
Subject: Re: Plasticville Needed

I have one listed on ebay that is probably cheaper than buying the parts separately. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Friday, January 3, 2014 6:01 PM, James Lyle <WJJIM@...> wrote:   What color do you need?? Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:45 PM, "Stanley Sobieski" <americanflyer@...> wrote: Hi you might contact Tom Seccia he has a lot or replacement parts for plasticville seccia@...   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Hancock Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Plasticville Needed     Greetings! My thanks for the tips on staying coupled to the 370 .... a small round file works well. The weight of the snow/shoe here in Michigan has collapsed the roof on our red roofed Cape House. Where might I turn to find replacement parts? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73915	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: Plasticville Needed

Jim, I need the Red Roof, both sections, for the O/S scale Cape Cod House .... Charlie On Jan 3, 2014, at 8:41 PM, James Lyle wrote:   What color do you need?? Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:45 PM, "Stanley Sobieski" <americanflyer@...> wrote: Hi you might contact Tom Seccia he has a lot or replacement parts for plasticville seccia@...   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Hancock Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Plasticville Needed     Greetings! My thanks for the tips on staying coupled to the 370 .... a small round file works well. The weight of the snow/shoe here in Michigan has collapsed the roof on our red roofed Cape House. Where might I turn to find replacement parts? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73916	From: James Lyle	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: Plasticville Needed

Running trains all day in Paradise, surely have them. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:58 PM, Charles Hancock <charles_hancock@...> wrote: Jim, I need the Red Roof, both sections, for the O/S scale Cape Cod House .... Charlie On Jan 3, 2014, at 8:41 PM, James Lyle wrote:   What color do you need?? Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:45 PM, "Stanley Sobieski" <americanflyer@...> wrote: Hi you might contact Tom Seccia he has a lot or replacement parts for plasticville seccia@...   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Hancock Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 5:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Plasticville Needed     Greetings! My thanks for the tips on staying coupled to the 370 .... a small round file works well. The weight of the snow/shoe here in Michigan has collapsed the roof on our red roofed Cape House. Where might I turn to find replacement parts? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73917	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73918	From: vito4cal	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 S West 9

Just a quick reminder the show is about a month away. Hope to see you there. John Gibson for the S West Committee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73919	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: 582/760 Highway Flashers

Hi All, How do you tell the difference between the 582 and 760 highway flashers?  Also what makes them flash?  The installation instructions in the Service Manual show using two track trips about 2 feet apart.  The track trips are just on/off based on weight passing over them - right?  So what makes the lights flash? Thanks! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73920	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers

They are both shown on the operating accessories pages of The Gilbert Gallery:            <thegilbertgallery.org/Accessory%20Gallery/accessories_operating.html>            <thegilbertgallery.org/Accessory%20Gallery/accessories_operating3.html>   The lights flash because it is the wheels of that cars that push down the track trip. They're on when each truck passes over the trip and off when the trip is between the trucks. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Saturday, January 4, 2014 3:04 PM, "bull_gator_1@..." <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:   Hi All, How do you tell the difference between the 582 and 760 highway flashers?  Also what makes them flash?  The installation instructions in the Service Manual show using two track trips about 2 feet apart.  The track trips are just on/off based on weight passing over them - right?  So what makes the lights flash? Thanks! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73921	From: wjjim2001	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers

Movement over the trips opens and closes the circuits.  We use "Flashing" red lamps on all the flashers on PVMR's crossings.  A good alternative, with some surgery on the light bars is a DALLEE flasher connected to a detector.  Can raise and lower gates that way as well.    http://www.dallee.com/Flasher.html  or   http://www.dallee.com/GradeXing.htm    Instructions are easy to follow, made by train people for train people.    Jim Lyle, Dealer   In a message dated 1/4/2014 6:04:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Hi All, How do you tell the difference between the 582 and 760 highway flashers?  Also what makes them flash?  The installation instructions in the Service Manual show using two track trips about 2 feet apart.  The track trips are just on/off based on weight passing over them - right?  So what makes the lights flash? Thanks! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73922	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/5/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 5, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2014  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73923	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers

Bob, That's what I thought.  I was guessing you had to set the sensitivity of the track movement so that each truck would activate the lights and the space between trucks would turn off the lights. Thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73924	From: wjjim2001	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Trains In Paradise

Trains In Paradise are still running.  Sunday Jan 5, PLUS the next two weekends, 10 to 4 on Saturdays & 1 to 4 on Sundays.  We are running "S" gauge trains themed by our "Jeffro Family Circus" train, plus passenger trains, THOMAS & trolleys.  New this year, Kitten Kaboodle's Caboose Motel now features a piano player and a banjo player for your dancing pleasure, along with the fine dining experience.   It is 6:01 AM on the first morning of the first day the CIRCUS came to Paradise.  The first section of the "O" gauge WARDIE-JAY Circus train is unloading, breakfast is on the table in the Commissary tent and poles are going up.  Wagons are being unloaded from the flat cars, animals are taking up residence in their temporary enclosures.  Of course, "O" gauge trains are running as is our Peter Witt trolley.  Activity along the river includes the gravel barge being unloaded into waiting hopper cars,  so it can be removed by the tug boat backing up to it.    THOMAS & PERCY by Bachmann have the Island of SODOR all to themselves on their own HO layout. PLUS MIGHTY CASEY Ride On train and train play table for kids.  Neat kids stuff from AMTRAK as well.   We are at 2 Township Drive, in Paradise PA 17562 .  Our 8 ft SNOWMAN stands on US RT 30 in our side lawn.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73925	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/4/2014
Subject: Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal

I do not have a Pay Pal credit card and still am able to both sell and buy. Roy Inman From: Anthony Cynor <tonycynor@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 08:54:30 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Alternative-Pay Pal           I have had a problem crop up with PayPal recently and it is ongoing. It used to be that you could pay with a credit card of your choice.  That has been inactivated. Although the button is still there it does not do anything. All charges go to the Pay Pal Card.  When I updated my account everything looks just fine including the card designated as Primary. But when the invoice comes up all the old info is still there including old phone numbers and everything including out of date credit cards including "PayPal".  It is disgusting and calling leads to a run around. This is why use of E-Bay is being ramped down very quickly by me because it is obviously developing weird software issues. Tony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73926	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/5/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers

The track trip that has a sensitivity setting is number 697. It is used with semaphores and you set the sensitivity so that only the engine is heavy enough to make contact; Lighter cars will pass over it without triggering the semaphore again. It's on this page of the Gilbert Gallery: <thegilbertgallery.org/Infrastructure%20Gallery/infrastructure_Track_Accessories.html> Immediately above it on that page is the 696 that is used with highway flashers. It has no sensitivity setting so that any wheel that passes over it will make contact causing the lights to flash. Ideally, you will use two trips for each flasher, one about 2 feet before the flasher so the lights started flashing before the train arrives at the crossing, and another just past the crossing so that they will keep flashing until the end of the train passes. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jan 4, 2014, at 4:51 PM, <bull_gator_1@...> wrote:   Bob, That's what I thought.  I was guessing you had to set the sensitivity of the track movement so that each truck would activate the lights and the space between trucks would turn off the lights. Thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73927	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/5/2014
Subject: Re: Trains In Paradise

Members of our club having visited this layout for the first time last weekend I can only recommend anyone in the area take the time to stop in and visit,  it is a fun multi gauge setup and was featured in the December NASG Dispatch.   Kyle Russell BAAFC 447   -----Original Message----- Trains In Paradise are still running.  Sunday Jan 5, PLUS the next two weekends, 10 to 4 on Saturdays & 1 to 4 on Sundays.  We are running "S" gauge trains themed by our "Jeffro Family Circus" train, plus passenger trains, THOMAS & trolleys.  New this year, Kitten Kaboodle's Caboose Motel now features a piano player and a banjo player for your dancing pleasure, along with the fine dining experience.   It is 6:01 AM on the first morning of the first day the CIRCUS came to Paradise.  The first section of the "O" gauge WARDIE-JAY Circus train is unloading, breakfast is on the table in the Commissary tent and poles are going up.  Wagons are being unloaded from the flat cars, animals are taking up residence in their temporary enclosures.  Of course, "O" gauge trains are running as is our Peter Witt trolley.  Activity along the river includes the gravel barge being unloaded into waiting hopper cars,  so it can be removed by the tug boat backing up to it.    THOMAS & PERCY by Bachmann have the Island of SODOR all to themselves on their own HO layout. PLUS MIGHTY CASEY Ride On train and train play table for kids.  Neat kids stuff from AMTRAK as well.   We are at 2 Township Drive, in Paradise PA 17562 .  Our 8 ft SNOWMAN stands on US RT 30 in our side lawn.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73928	From: traindavid	Date: 1/5/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers

David, The correct track trips for the highway flasher are not adjustable, and do not use the weight of the train on the rails. They pick up the base post current from the track through a momentary closed contact attached to a plastic shoe that sits just inside the rail, and the wheel flanges of the train push the contact closed. If the trip has too much "spring" to it, it will derail the stamped steel pilot trucks of the low-end steam engines. Other than that, it's a pretty reliable set up. Oh, you WILL burn out the bell ringer coil if you park the train with a wheel on the contact shoe. This and a cracked bell are the Achilles' heel of these accessories. On one layout, I put an automobile flasher in the circuit, so if a car was left on the trip, it would flash, instead of being constantly on--this seemed to be enough to prevent coil-burn out. The cracked bells are age related, and can be silver-soldered to ring again. The heat of soldering will help anneal the bell, which cracks because of stress from the stamping process that wasn't relieved when manufactured. A quick trip through a heating oven would have prevented it--but then ACG never thought we'd still be playing with these things 50 years later! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73929	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/5/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/5/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 5, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2014  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73930	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/5/2014
Subject: Re: 582/760 Highway Flashers

what track trips are you using? On Sunday, January 5, 2014 11:48 AM, "djdewey@..." <djdewey@...> wrote:   David, The correct track trips for the highway flasher are not adjustable, and do not use the weight of the train on the rails. They pick up the base post current from the track through a momentary closed contact attached to a plastic shoe that sits just inside the rail, and the wheel flanges of the train push the contact closed. If the trip has too much "spring" to it, it will derail the stamped steel pilot trucks of the low-end steam engines. Other than that, it's a pretty reliable set up. Oh, you WILL burn out the bell ringer coil if you park the train with a wheel on the contact shoe. This and a cracked bell are the Achilles' heel of these accessories. On one layout, I put an automobile flasher in the circuit, so if a car was left on the trip, it would flash, instead of being constantly on--this seemed to be enough to prevent coil-burn out. The cracked bells are age related, and can be silver-soldered to ring again. The heat of soldering will help anneal the bell, which cracks because of stress from the stamping process that wasn't relieved when manufactured. A quick trip through a heating oven would have prevented it--but then ACG never thought we'd still be playing with these things 50 years later! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73931	From: semaphorsignal	Date: 1/6/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Ballast

Artur, The track sample is in the mail today. Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73932	From: scaler164	Date: 1/6/2014
Subject: WANTED : 21" Radius AM Curved Track Sections

This is COMPLETELY out of character for me... but...   The AM site is sold out... so... I am looking for some 21" radius sections of American Models curved track - AM part # T14821.  I only need enough to make a complete circle, however many that takes... 12 sections, I think.   NEW is preferred, but USED will suffice if it is in Very Good / Like New condition.  Broken sections not wanted.   Thanks.     John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73933	From: James Lyle	Date: 1/6/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED : 21" Radius AM Curved Track Sections

I'll look--have some new AM track, know I have a pr of switches. None of it used. Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Scaler164@... wrote: This is COMPLETELY out of character for me... but...   The AM site is sold out... so... I am looking for some 21" radius sections of American Models curved track - AM part # T14821.  I only need enough to make a complete circle, however many that takes... 12 sections, I think.   NEW is preferred, but USED will suffice if it is in Very Good / Like New condition.  Broken sections not wanted.   Thanks.     John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73934	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 1/6/2014
Subject: Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville

ok ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jeffrey Madden <nasgdispatch@...> To: Trains S <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:48:32 +0000 Fred's Train Parts should be there - he carries Plasticville parts plus. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: slipswitch@... Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:49:49 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Fest at Milwaukee / Plasticville Does anyone know if there will be a Plasticville dealer at S Fest? I am looking for some pieces for my very '50-ish layout. I prefer the original items to the current Chinese production, and I prefer purchasing in person to purching over the internet. My local TCA meet can be hit or miss on these items. Thanks. John **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]     ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73935	From: thecitrusbelt	Date: 1/7/2014
Subject: Coast Rails 2014 PCR Convention (Show Your Layout)

Work is well under way on the Coast Rails 2014, the Pacific Coast Region/NMRA Convention.  This event is coming to San Luis Obispo, CA, on April 30 through May 4, 2014.   I will be handling the layout tours and these self-guided tours will take place in San Luis Obispo County, lower Monterey County and Santa Barbara County.    If you live in these areas perhaps you may want to show your layout.  You probably have put a lot of time and energy into your layout so why not show it to people who can appreciate your efforts?   If showing your layout is a possibility, please contact me at the e-mail address below.  You do NOT have to be an NMRA member to show your layout. Should you have questions about the layout tour program, please contact me.   Lastly, we are looking for layout owners to host operating sessions during the Convention so if that is something you may be interested in doing, again, please let me know.   Thank you.   Website: http://www.pcrnmra.org/conv2014/   Bob Chaparro Layout Tour Chairman Coast Rails 2014 PCR/NMRA Convention chiefbobbb at Verizon dot net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73936	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 1/7/2014
Subject: TMCC recommendations: was -> Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.

Greeting all and Happy New Year.   Well, following the advice received here, I am now the happy owner of a CAB-1 TMCC controller and my Mikado is singing like a bird, and in general I am way impressed with the coolness of TMCC…     Now, I am investigating all the electronic add-on stuff available for switch control, accessory control,  conventional throttle control, etc.  My question for you TMCC folks out there…   Is there enough difference from an SC-1 controller from the newer SC-2 that I should stick with SC-2’s only?  I have not found the definitive write-up that tells me what the SC-2 will do that the SC-1 won’t and why I don’t want SC-1’s for basic switch control.   I plan to buy from ebay, exercising bidding caution to try and get good deals since I am not in a hurry.  But,  if I should avoid SC-1’s in favor of SC-2’s….   ???   Opinions and experiences appreciated.   Thanks in advance.   Ben Colley Hallsville, MO Follow the Flag!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73937	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/8/2014
Subject: TMCC

Ben, I am not totally sure of the information that I received but from what I understand the SC1 is quite fragile and prone to failure if over-loaded or installed wrong. I have only seen a few of the SC1s on e bay. I have gone with the SC2s and have been very satisfied with them. I use the original AC Gilbert switches and I did have one double switch that shorted through the light socket, it did no harm to the SC2.  I was not even considering using the SCs of either 1 or 2 until visiting a friend whom I convinced to go with TMCC. After seeing the SC2s he had installed in action I hesitated for a bit but now am sold out to using them. I have four on the layout controlling switch #1 thru 22, several of these numbers operate two switches per control as in a cross-over. The fact that you are not in a hurry you will find them on E bay and should get them at a decent price. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73938	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9

Today at http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  the story is "What do hobbies cost?"   Have you ever wondered what you've spent on your hobbies over the years?  I have, and I've been doing this stuff since the late fifties! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73939	From: George Dines	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: Lansing Train Show This Sunday 1/12/14

Train Enthusiasts!    Escape the cold outside by getting steamed up for Michigan’s largest model train show and sale. The huge Lansing Train Show and Sale will be held at the Michigan State University Pavilion on Sunday, January 12 from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.  If you have attended our show in the past then you know how great a show this is:   - Largest Train Show in Michigan - Live NMRA demonstrations of layout techniques - Presentations by the Steam Railroading Institute on Pere Marquette 1225  - Visiting layouts from Z to G scales including traction (trolleys)  - Adults $6, under 12 and scouts in uniform FREE - Free Parking - Free Shuttle Bus service for overflow parking Bring the kids (or grandkids) for a great family event.   We hope to see you there.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73940	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: Wood side or composite Gondola

Hi Folks, Does anyone know of that sort of gondola in S? Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73941	From: rick gough	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9

Stumpy, Sorry but I have to differentiate: Slot Cars are hobby, Real Cars are sport. I do still have a favorite 1:32 Cobra and my Utica,NY city championship modified HO Corvette from 1962 ........ about the time I got the C&O GP7. Enjoyed your article!   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9 ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=16070309195&tc_rand=1678166380&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=aHGW8h8xyQftxkRa6b6i2bImg2yDslmPHPqyW5z6gJFnGuzzznwolO9cIIWgH1v5&key=p9g%2FfI587rZoM7sCVHpp1R4DLD3DlHgvmh1p8hxVJcc%3D   Today at http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com/  the story is "What do hobbies cost?"   Have you ever wondered what you've spent on your hobbies over the years?  I have, and I've been doing this stuff since the late fifties! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73942	From: traindavid	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: Latest response from MTH--mabye the long wait is over??

Thought y’all might want to read my recent posting and response from MTH. David D.   From: kirstin@... Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 1:22 PM   Subject: RE: Main Contact form   Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains.  We appreciate your interest in our products.  We are in the process of updating the shipping schedule now.  The first S gauge products should began shipping next month. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything else I can help you with. Thank you,                                                     Kirstin Martinez MTH Electric Trains     -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:26pm To: kirstin@... Subject: Main Contact form Submitted on Wednesday, January 8, 2014 - 16:24 Submitted by user: Submitted values are: Name: DAvid Dewey Email Address: djdewey@... Subject of your Email: Other Your message: Why does the "Shipping Schedule" show many S Gauge products as shipped in Oct, Nov, and Dec 2013? I don't know of any dealers with any product on hand yet. Does the schedule need updating? Thanks! Impatiently waiting, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73943	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/9/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9

Rick,    Are you in Utica?                     Bob                in Kalispell p.s. my choice is a 68 Shelby GT-500   From: racin510@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:22:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9   Stumpy, Sorry but I have to differentiate: Slot Cars are hobby, Real Cars are sport. I do still have a favorite 1:32 Cobra and my Utica,NY city championship modified HO Corvette from 1962 ........ about the time I got the C&O GP7. Enjoyed your article!   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9 ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=16070309195&tc_rand=1678166380&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=aHGW8h8xyQftxkRa6b6i2bImg2yDslmPHPqyW5z6gJFnGuzzznwolO9cIIWgH1v5&key=p9g%2FfI587rZoM7sCVHpp1R4DLD3DlHgvmh1p8hxVJcc%3D   Today at http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com/  the story is "What do hobbies cost?"   Have you ever wondered what you've spent on your hobbies over the years?  I have, and I've been doing this stuff since the late fifties! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73944	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: woodsider composite

Bill, S Helper had composite hoppers, I have a few. They are exceptional at least in my opinion, should be coming with the MTH products. I am looking forward to seeing the MTH line especially because I have a couple of Milw. Rd covered hoppers ordered myself. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73945	From: Dale Reynolds	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: Wood side or composite Gondola

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone know of that sort of gondola in S? > > Bill Not for a very long time, but Branchline/Memphis had a kit around 1962 and NMRA Mid Continent did sides/decals sometime later. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73946	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9

On 1/9/2014 4:22 PM, rick gough wrote: > Stumpy, > Sorry but I have to differentiate: Slot Cars are hobby, Real Cars are > sport. Depends on what you do with them. If you race them for prizes, yes they are sport. But if you restore them and only drive them occasionally, they are a very expensive hobby, just like toy trains. My 70 X-KE convertible certainly falls into the hobby class. My 73 Datsun 240Z doesn't because it gets driven fairly regularly. It's interesting what other hobbies folks on this list have. I dabble in electronics like the Arduino and Raspberry pi but then I teach computer science classes at the local community college so that is an occupational hazard. There is a regular group of Arduino enthusiasts that are dedicated to model railroading and they have come up with all kinds of interesting ways to interface the Arduino to railroading. One of the programs I ran across controls a couple of servos and flashes the lights at a crossing gate to animate them. It looks very realistic. There are also Arduino programs that generate sound on demand that are useful in model railroading. Fun stuff if you like to "roll your own." George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73947	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: woodsider composite

Thanks Guys, I will keep my eye out for them. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/10/2014 8:02 AM, Ray Puls wrote: Bill, S Helper had composite hoppers, I have a few. They are exceptional at least in my opinion, should be coming with the MTH products. I am looking forward to seeing the MTH line especially because I have a couple of Milw. Rd covered hoppers ordered myself. Ray ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Not for a very long time, but Branchline/Memphis had a kit around 1962 and NMRA Mid Continent did sides/decals sometime later. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73948	From: traindavid	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9

Rick I agree with Stumpy, unless you are doing it for an income, even 1:1 cars are a hobby--my Model Ts are another hobby, although at one time I did make my living restoring them. Your hobby can be a sport, but it's still a hobby! Now someone is going to say, by that definition, skiing is a hobby--well, no, a hobby involves creating something--now if you made your own skis, that would be a hobby! But, what do I know? S' David D. Rick Gough posted: Stumpy, Sorry but I have to differentiate: Slot Cars are hobby, Real Cars are sport. I do still have a favorite 1:32 Cobra and my Utica,NY city championship modified HO Corvette from 1962 ........ about the time I got the C&O GP7. Enjoyed your article! rick gough

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73949	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: Wood side or composite Gondola

the*late,*great*"regal*kits"had*one,*they*used*to*pop*up*on*ebay every*now*and*then,allways*got*bid*up,*pricey,*take*a*look*at*dph mel*perry On Jan 10, 2014, at 6:23 AM, Dale Reynolds wrote:   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone know of that sort of gondola in S? > > Bill Not for a very long time, but Branchline/Memphis had a kit around 1962 and NMRA Mid Continent did sides/decals sometime later. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73950	From: Chris	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9

Hobby need not involve making something, Stamp collecting is a hobby, COLLECTING cars is a hobby, racing or rallying them is a sport   From: djdewey@... Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 6:29 PM To: S-Trains Yahoo Group Subject: [S-Trains] Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9     Rick I agree with Stumpy, unless you are doing it for an income, even 1:1 cars are a hobby--my Model Ts are another hobby, although at one time I did make my living restoring them. Your hobby can be a sport, but it's still a hobby! Now someone is going to say, by that definition, skiing is a hobby--well, no, a hobby involves creating something--now if you made your own skis, that would be a hobby! But, what do I know? S' David D. Rick Gough posted: Stumpy, Sorry but I have to differentiate: Slot Cars are hobby, Real Cars are sport. I do still have a favorite 1:32 Cobra and my Utica,NY city championship modified HO Corvette from 1962 ........ about the time I got the C&O GP7. Enjoyed your article! rick gough

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73951	From: alsflyer	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale - Not listed on Ebay.

I am going to try listing for sale about 1/4 of my train collection of American Flyer S-Gauge type trains including original American Flyer by A. C. Gilbert, LTI American Flyer, and Gillbert HO American Flyer on Available S Gauge and S-Trains at the same time. I will be slowly listing items for sale one or two at a time. I hope this will work out for me and you since you don't have too many restrictions as Ebay does. I will try and supply the actual shipping cost of each item to the purchaser depending on the level of mailing you want.  I will only ship via USPS - either Parcel Post, First Class, or Priority. No Priority Express unless it is demanded. I will e-mail you the shipping costs to add to the purchase price asked for the item. If you desire insurance, You must pay this added amount. I prefer payment through PayPal. I will NOT accept money orders, personal checks, Western Union, or similar payment methods. I will accept certified Cashier checks if necessary. Photos of items for sale will be in the Photo section of each group listed under AF Trains for Sale. Sold Items will be deleted from the photo file after each sale is completed. I will make a separate post for each item for sale with details as much as possible. Check back often to see what has been posted for sale. E-mail all Offers or Questions outside of this group. No Bidding Wars - I don't have the time to sort out higher offers than my asking price.  Email offers to:  alsflyer@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73952	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: It's been a good week!

First, we heard that MTH will be getting its first shipment of product in February. Then I got notice from a dealer that some of my Lionel preorders will be shipped on Monday and that the first of the cylindrical hoppers should reach dealers on February 10. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73953	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9

I love semantic debates. A friend of mine is a drag racer. He has a very speedy Mercury Comet that he takes to events in Michigan and nearby states. I once got into trouble with him by saying he had a very cool hobby. "No," he said, "I am in it for the money. It is not a hobby." For context, this guy is retired from Ford and he is older than I am - not sure but just a couple of years more than my 70, I would guess. This is almost as dangerous as referring to a scale guy's trains as toys. I am pretty sure that a rose is a rose even when we call it a berberifolia, tomentosa or carolinae. Bill - a hobbyist Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/10/2014 2:05 PM, Chris wrote: Hobby need not involve making something, Stamp collecting is a hobby, COLLECTING cars is a hobby, racing or rallying them is a sport ��

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73954	From: calleytwo	Date: 1/10/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9

I always tell scale modellers that think what they like they are still playing with toys. And don't forget that garlic is also referred to as "the stinking rose"! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:09:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 9   I love semantic debates. A friend of mine is a drag racer. He has a very speedy Mercury Comet that he takes to events in Michigan and nearby states. I once got into trouble with him by saying he had a very cool hobby. "No," he said, "I am in it for the money. It is not a hobby." For context, this guy is retired from Ford and he is older than I am - not sure but just a couple of years more than my 70, I would guess. This is almost as dangerous as referring to a scale guy's trains as toys. I am pretty sure that a rose is a rose even when we call it a berberifolia, tomentosa or carolinae. Bill - a hobbyist Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/10/2014 2:05 PM, Chris wrote: Hobby need not involve making something, Stamp collecting is a hobby, COLLECTING cars is a hobby, racing or rallying them is a sport �� ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73955	From: scaler164	Date: 1/11/2014
Subject: SHS (AF) Wheels & Couplers For Sale

Attachments : StuffForSale.jpg I have some more SHS (AF style) wheels and couplers for sale... see the attachment OR click the link below for photo of what is available :        www.trainweb.org/seaboard/StuffForSale.jpg   I am asking $15 for these items plus $3 for shipping.   Please contact me OFF-LIST if interested.   I accept and prefer PayPal, but will accept a money order.  No personal checks, please.   Thanks.     John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@...

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73956	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/11/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/12/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 12, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73957	From: scaler164	Date: 1/12/2014
Subject: SHS (AF) Wheels & Couplers SOLD

Thanks to all who inquired... but these items have been spoken for.   I will retain the e-mails of all who inquired in the event that the first decides not to purchase.   Thanks.     John Degnan Scaler164@...   From: Scaler164@... To: "POST Group : (S)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST Group : (S)" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "POST Group : (S)" <S-Scale-ProgreSSive@yahoogroups.com>, "POST Group : (S)" <SSTOT@yahoogroups.com>, "POST Group : (S)" <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 4:02:36 PM Subject: [showcaseline] SHS (AF) Wheels & Couplers For Sale I have some more SHS (AF style) wheels and couplers for sale... see the attachment OR click the link below for photo of what is available :        www.trainweb.org/seaboard/StuffForSale.jpg   I am asking $15 for these items plus $3 for shipping.   Please contact me OFF-LIST if interested.   I accept and prefer PayPal, but will accept a money order.  No personal checks, please.   Thanks.     John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73958	From: James Lyle	Date: 1/12/2014
Subject: New YouTube from PVMR

This the current PVMR "S" layout, in its 20th yr and latest incarnation as a public display layout. Hopefully next Sunday afternoon will be its last appearance before retiring to the "barn". Prints and planning have been going on since September for next yrs new layout, leaning much closer to the "scale side", and probably larger, as we found extra space in our display hall this afternoon. We are open tomorrow from 1 to 4, next Saturday from 10 til 4 & Sunday from 1 til 4PM at 2 Township Drive in Paradise PA. Admission is $ 2.00 for Adults Jim Lyle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMUzkIt-tCM&sns=em Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73959	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/12/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73960	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 1/12/2014
Subject: (no subject)

Speaking of slot cars, I have several Gilbert sets I would like top sell if any one is interested. Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52d1bfc85e5413fc81d15st03duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73961	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/12/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/12/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 12, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73962	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Twacks and Trains

Speaking of Twacks and Trains... I check the links on the NASG web site every Monday. For several weeks "http://www.davestnt.com/" has been a bad link. This morning it shows that that domain is gone. I have been getting questions about whether or not that company still exists from S modelers. Does anyone have any concrete info?  - Peter. -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73963	From: trndad	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Re: Twacks and Trains

I'm guessing it is just a temporary glitch, but since their email address is linked to that URL, perhaps you can just call Dave's Twacks & Twains at 919-926-7386 and inquire.   Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73964	From: William J Gill	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Re: Twacks and Trains

As "recent" as 11/24/13, that web address was being listed as a viable web site. As others may suggest, below is alternative contact information I have as of 11/24/13: Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains   Gilbert Parts, SHS Parts and now an MTH Dealer   2909 Allenby Drive   Raleigh, NC 27604   Orders: 919-926-7386   Cell: 610-248-0890 Good luck, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73965	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Re: Twacks and Trains

Hi Peter, Dave's Twacks & Twains is still operating and very busy. There has been an issue with their internet service provider, which I am trying to get fixed. I'll report back when the domain issue is repaired. Thanks! Bill On 1/13/2014 11:51 AM, Peter Vanvliet wrote:   Speaking of Twacks and Trains... I check the links on the NASG web site every Monday. For several weeks "http://www.davestnt.com/" has been a bad link. This morning it shows that that domain is gone. I have been getting questions about whether or not that company still exists from S modelers. Does anyone have any concrete info?  - Peter. -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73966	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Re: DAVES TRACKS ETC

I E-Mailed Barb...At this time no reply.   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73967	From: bradyburdge	Date: 1/13/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC

I used Lionel's SC-2 's  on my old O gauge layout and they were always reliable, you can also use them to operate a variey of operating accessories.  You can download the manual at http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/service-documents/download.cfm?file=72-2980-250.pdf Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73968	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Twacks and Trains

Just checked the link, it is working now   Kyle   -----Original Message----- From: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Peter Vanvliet Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 11:51 AM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: {S-Scale List} Twacks and Trains   Speaking of Twacks and Trains... I check the links on the NASG web site every Monday. For several weeks "http://www.davestnt.com/" has been a bad link. This morning it shows that that domain is gone. I have been getting questions about whether or not that company still exists from S modelers. Does anyone have any concrete info?  - Peter. -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73969	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Re: Twacks and Trains

2909 Alenby drive appears to be in a semi-rural residential area. Go to Google Maps street level and have a look around, Probably a garage or basement operation. Tony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73970	From: trndad	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

I have a Flyonel Mikado on my workbench that does not smoke.  The owner provided a number of Suethe-type replacement smoke units and asked me to replace what he assumes is a burned-out unit.  I have never messed with Suethe units before, but being the unofficial repairman for the ACSG Tidewater Division, I expect to get plenty of opportunities in the future, so I am ready to dive in.  In fact I have another Mikado from the same owner waiting for a similar repair.   My first question is how to test the voltage at the smoke unit to confirm it is adequate.  I unsoldered the “old” smoke unit, put power to the engine, and measured the voltage across the brown and black engine smoke leads.  It only registered 1.25 volts.  If I am correct these units require 4 to 6 volts to work, so I am thinking the smoke regulator is bad.  Is there some other way to measure this?   My next question is how do you bench test a Suethe unit to confirm it is bad?  Can I just hook up 6 volts of dc power to it and see if it smokes?    My third question is about determining the proper connection for the replacement smoke unit.  The instructions on Carl Tuveson's website for changing out a smoke unit in a Mikado say "Measure the new unit for continuity to chassis ground and if it is grounded connect that wire to the loco's black lead otherwise hook up like original”.   I assume what he means is to determine which smoke unit lead if any has continuity between it and the smoke unit’s metal housing, and connect it to the black lead (as opposed to the brown lead).  The issue I have is that of the six replacement units I have, all of which have a black lead and a white lead, 5 of the 6 measure continuity between the metal housing and both wires.  One only measures continuity between just one wire (the black wire) and the housing.  Would using one of the 5 be problematic?  Is it necessary to even have the smoke housing grounded to the engine shell?  Shouldn’t it be insulated from it?   Incidentally when I removed the old unit (which appears to be a replacement itself) I tested it and there was no continuity with the housing for either wire.  Since I am beginning to think the issue is in the regulator, this smoke unit may still be OK.  I will attempt to bench test it to see.   I appreciate any guidance this S-Trains collective can offer!   Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73971	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Twacks n' Trains

I believe you'll find this to be the street address of well known S gauger Barb Rudnicki. who with a friend bought the business last summer.  They do a lot of train shows, so weekends are the least likely time to get in touch by e-mail or phone. They're nice folks and very busy! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73972	From: carl4flyer	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

Dean,   The replacement unit Lionel was using was different than the original and it had one lead connected to the brass shell. This could possibly have caused a short to the chassis and the output of regulator could have been damaged. This is why I warned to be sure to measure the leads to the brass shell and wire so the shell was on the AC common side incase it touched the loco body.   I have a page that shows how to use a Firma  5 Seuthe smoke unit as a replacement. See: http://www.tuveson.com/converting-seuth/modifying_seuthe.htm     The regulator puts out 2.2 – 4.0 volts RMS depending on the state of the loco. Command has a boost state and a running state that changes the voltage. You may want to put a 10 ohm load on the regulator it to test if there is no smoke unit hooked to it.   See: http://www.tuveson.com/smoke-regulator-test/testing_smoke_regulator.htm   Carl         From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trndad@... Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 1:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit     I have a Flyonel Mikado on my workbench that does not smoke.  The owner provided a number of Suethe-type replacement smoke units and asked me to replace what he assumes is a burned-out unit.  I have never messed with Suethe units before, but being the unofficial repairman for the ACSG Tidewater Division, I expect to get plenty of opportunities in the future, so I am ready to dive in.  In fact I have another Mikado from the same owner waiting for a similar repair.   My first question is how to test the voltage at the smoke unit to confirm it is adequate.  I unsoldered the “old” smoke unit, put power to the engine, and measured the voltage across the brown and black engine smoke leads.  It only registered 1.25 volts.  If I am correct these units require 4 to 6 volts to work, so I am thinking the smoke regulator is bad.  Is there some other way to measure this?   My next question is how do you bench test a Suethe unit to confirm it is bad?  Can I just hook up 6 volts of dc power to it and see if it smokes?    My third question is about determining the proper connection for the replacement smoke unit.  The instructions on Carl Tuveson's website for changing out a smoke unit in a Mikado say "Measure the new unit for continuity to chassis ground and if it is grounded connect that wire to the loco's black lead otherwise hook up like original”.   I assume what he means is to determine which smoke unit lead if any has continuity between it and the smoke unit’s metal housing, and connect it to the black lead (as opposed to the brown lead).  The issue I have is that of the six replacement units I have, all of which have a black lead and a white lead, 5 of the 6 measure continuity between the metal housing and both wires.  One only measures continuity between just one wire (the black wire) and the housing.  Would using one of the 5 be problematic?  Is it necessary to even have the smoke housing grounded to the engine shell?  Shouldn’t it be insulated from it?   Incidentally when I removed the old unit (which appears to be a replacement itself) I tested it and there was no continuity with the housing for either wire.  Since I am beginning to think the issue is in the regulator, this smoke unit may still be OK.  I will attempt to bench test it to see.   I appreciate any guidance this S-Trains collective can offer!   Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73973	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: AF A&P 4 wheel trailing truck (Advertisement)

Well we finally have a GREAT LITTLE center bearing trailing truck for the pre-1966 AF Atlantic and Pacific steam engines. This NEW TRUCK can mounted with only slight modifications to the chassis towing point. On the Atlantic engines the chassis towing point the rear corners have to be 45ed. On the Pacific engines the screw hole has to be moved back and the rear corners 45ed also. To view / or purchase please go to our web site at http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/AF-Parts.html?_=1389735521560 Price for the truck including shipping is $21.50 ea. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73974	From: trndad	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

Thanks Carl.  I’ll put a load on the regulator and retest.  Do you have any suggestions for bench testing the smoke unit prior to installation?    Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73975	From: carl4flyer	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

At 5 volts it should smoke like crazy. I use a HO power pack to test. Use a meter set at 5 volts.   Be sure to only use smoke fluid made for Seuthe units. I recommend  LGB or Williams smoke fluid for the Seuthe units. Others will shorten it’s life.   Carl   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of trndad@... Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit     Thanks Carl.  I’ll put a load on the regulator and retest.  Do you have any suggestions for bench testing the smoke unit prior to installation?    Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73976	From: JOHN	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: Dave's Twacks & Trains

I had the similar problem with the web listing but I had their email address. Contacted Barb at barb@... and got a prompt response and my order is in rout. Good Luck, Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73977	From: Michael	Date: 1/14/2014
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers attending WGH show in Oaks, PA

The South Jersey S Gaugers will be displaying our 12' X 26' detailed three level Hi Rail layout at the World's Greatest Hobby on Tour Show at the Greater Philadelphia Expo Center in Oaks, PA on January 18 and 19. Our layout includes three concentric ovals of American Models code 148 nickel silver track, one point to point upper loop section and another point to point section of Showcase Line S-Track with animated accessories such as a Barrel Loader, Coal Loader, Log Loader, Lumber Unloading Car, Magnetic Crane, Mail Car, Saw Mill, Station/Baggage Smasher, custom built animated Track Gang, Dump Truck and Icing Platform. The North Penn S Gaugers and many more layouts of all gauges will also be displayed at this show. For more show information check online: WGHShow.com If you can make it, please stop by and say HI to the "S" crew. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73978	From: traindavid	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Dave's twacks & twains

Don't worry about the "residential address" it's a rural area, and they have a large building devoted to trains in their backyard. No 'fly-by-night' operation there. However, they ARE busy! VERY good folks there; order & deal with confidence! I Have no financial interest in the biz--in fact, if/when I get my repair business up and running, we'll be competitors--but friendly ones!! Also, they have the SHS repair shop for those of you looking for that help. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73979	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale GP38-2 for sale [3 Attachments]

Attachments :   Bill,     Were you able to get any takers on the GP38 you had for sale?  I have 3 of them, one with the anti-climbers like what you were selling.  I would prefer to not have that since I intend to model the Maine Central’s fleet.  The MEC’s were straight GP38s, not the dash 2 series like the brass models, but I was willing to live with it also.      Just checking….tx   Best Regards   Paul Krause   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lane   I have a Overland GP38-2 for sale. It was bought in a group of other models from Howie Waelder’s estate. I can imagine it was heading towards something Long Island Railroad but did not make it. I am sure it is in the same condition now as when Howie got it. Since it is still DC I did not test it. I just soldered 3 handrail stanchions but the handrails are in otherwise great condition.   As you can see it is without dynamic brakes but WITH the Anti-Climber.. a RARE VERSION for sure. I am glad it has the anti-climber. I would be tempted to keep it for PRSL!   Please reply directly to me.   Asking $500.00. If you have interest ***make an offer***. If you are tight for $$ right now, and we all are, I will accept $100.00 **now** with the balance due paid in full before 2-1-14. If not paid for by 2-1-14 it goes back up for sale & I keep the $100.00.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73980	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale GP38-2 for sale [3 Attachments]

I would like to purchase two GP38-2 locomotives. I need ones with standard dynamics and short fuel tanks and with anti-climbers. If any one has one or even both locomotives and would be willing to work with me on means of payment I would greatly appreciate it. I am on VA disability and retirement. Thank you.  Bob    in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73981	From: richs009	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

Carl et al - I have a Flyonel mikado with the common problem of not producing much smoke.  The smoke it does produce sort of 'drifts out' of the stack - I assume there is nothing driving the air flow - just the thermal plume effect producing a small amount of buoyancy.  Does the replacement Seuthe smoke unit you (Carl) mention fix this problem?  Are there replacement smoke units that are fan powered? Too bad someone had to try to 'fix' the unbroken ACG smoke unit design ("if it ain't broke... don't mess with it"), which had the feature of 'puffing' in sync with the drivers (I know - its not perfect timing, but its good enough for most of us...). I should note that I'm running AC track power via one of several good ol' ACG transformers, so I don't have the ability to change the default settings on the smoke control.  On another post, the advantage of getting something like the CAB-1 controller was pointed out - which may be something I will do, but I don't think that's gonna fix the smoke production issue (?). thanks for any advice. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73982	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: AF A&P 4 wheel trailing truck (Advertisement)

Dave, What do you mean with “center bearing” ?        Do they have side frames, or just bare wheels showing?    Could you show a picture of a locomotive with them installed?   Thanks, Al Baker   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of reujan2000@... Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 1:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF A&P 4 wheel trailing truck (Advertisement)     Well we finally have a GREAT LITTLE center bearing trailing truck for the pre-1966 AF Atlantic and Pacific steam engines. This NEW TRUCK can mounted with only slight modifications to the chassis towing point. On the Atlantic engines the chassis towing point the rear corners have to be 45ed. On the Pacific engines the screw hole has to be moved back and the rear corners 45ed also. To view / or purchase please go to our web site at   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/AF-Parts.html?_=1389735521560   Price for the truck including shipping is $21.50 ea. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73983	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: HELP (Off-Topic): Marklin AC HO

Does anyone know or know of someone with knowledge of the AC motors used in Marklin invisible third-rail HO trains (specifically Set No 82902). Any references would be appreciated. Thanks, Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73984	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: "Suethe style" smoke units

Long before Flyonel started putting the "Suethe style" smoke units (these are not made by Suethe) in steam locos, we were messing with them in G scale.  They were the standard LGB smoke unit, but bigger because they had more space in a G scale loco.  Even at their best, they will never produce as much smoke as a good old Gilbert unit, but had the advantages of being far less complicated to manufacture and required very little space in an already crowded locomotive.   Unfortunately, they VERY quickly burn up from running dry, yet are easily overfilled and then produce no smoke because the center heating element can't heat up enough. When MTH developed their fan driven and electronically controlled smoke units and sound boards for their O gauge locos, the game changed forever and that type of unit became the best.   The downside is that they are complicated to manufacture, and take up a lot of space.  (To be fair, the Gilbert smoke/choo-choo takes up a lot of space too!) I have experimented with the one in my Flyonel Dockside, but there isn't really much you can do other than increase the voltage to get more smoke. Unfortunately, this will increase the risk of burning up the unit also. Actually, NONE of the toy/model train smoke units can duplicate the real thing!  But that's good because you wouldn't really want to fill your house with thick, black coal or oil smoke!  And in reality, well fired steam locos don't smoke all that much anyway, so you might say all toy/model locos are fired by expert firemen!  :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73985	From: carl4flyer	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

Rich,   Running in conventional the Seuthe smoke units don’t do much. They need 16-18 volts on the track running in TMCC command mode to smoke well.   There are no fan smoke units that will fit as far as I know. Even HO fan smoke units are too big for the area in the boiler.   Carl   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit     Carl et al - I have a Flyonel mikado with the common problem of not producing much smoke.  The smoke it does produce sort of 'drifts out' of the stack - I assume there is nothing driving the air flow - just the thermal plume effect producing a small amount of buoyancy.  Does the replacement Seuthe smoke unit you (Carl) mention fix this problem?  Are there replacement smoke units that are fan powered? Too bad someone had to try to 'fix' the unbroken ACG smoke unit design ("if it ain't broke... don't mess with it"), which had the feature of 'puffing' in sync with the drivers (I know - its not perfect timing, but its good enough for most of us...). I should note that I'm running AC track power via one of several good ol' ACG transformers, so I don't have the ability to change the default settings on the smoke control.  On another post, the advantage of getting something like the CAB-1 controller was pointed out - which may be something I will do, but I don't think that's gonna fix the smoke production issue (?). thanks for any advice. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73986	From: rick gough	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: AF A&P 4 wheel trailing truck (Advertisement)

I'd like to see a single axle, center bearing with spoke wheels trailing truck   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: albaker33@... Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:18 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF A&P 4 wheel trailing truck (Advertisement)   Dave, What do you mean with “center bearing” ?        Do they have side frames, or just bare wheels showing?    Could you show a picture of a locomotive with them installed?   Thanks, Al Baker   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of reujan2000@... Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 1:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF A&P 4 wheel trailing truck (Advertisement)     Well we finally have a GREAT LITTLE center bearing trailing truck for the pre-1966 AF Atlantic and Pacific steam engines. This NEW TRUCK can mounted with only slight modifications to the chassis towing point. On the Atlantic engines the chassis towing point the rear corners have to be 45ed. On the Pacific engines the screw hole has to be moved back and the rear corners 45ed also. To view / or purchase please go to our web site at   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/AF-Parts.html?_=1389735521560   Price for the truck including shipping is $21.50 ea. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73987	From: rick gough	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

TMCC will allow it to smoke [including puffs] though and the other multiple advantages to using it have already been pointed out. Of course once I decided I really liked the TMCC I had to rationalize getting a second engine so as to be able to play with 2 on the same run etc, as well as to justify the expense of the control!    rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:58 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit   Rich,   Running in conventional the Seuthe smoke units don’t do much. They need 16-18 volts on the track running in TMCC command mode to smoke well.   There are no fan smoke units that will fit as far as I know. Even HO fan smoke units are too big for the area in the boiler.   Carl   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit     Carl et al - I have a Flyonel mikado with the common problem of not producing much smoke.  The smoke it does produce sort of 'drifts out' of the stack - I assume there is nothing driving the air flow - just the thermal plume effect producing a small amount of buoyancy.  Does the replacement Seuthe smoke unit you (Carl) mention fix this problem?  Are there replacement smoke units that are fan powered? Too bad someone had to try to 'fix' the unbroken ACG smoke unit design ("if it ain't broke... don't mess with it"), which had the feature of 'puffing' in sync with the drivers (I know - its not perfect timing, but its good enough for most of us...). I should note that I'm running AC track power via one of several good ol' ACG transformers, so I don't have the ability to change the default settings on the smoke control.  On another post, the advantage of getting something like the CAB-1 controller was pointed out - which may be something I will do, but I don't think that's gonna fix the smoke production issue (?). thanks for any advice. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73988	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/15/2014
Subject: Re: Dave's twacks & twains

On 1/15/2014 9:52 AM, djdewey@... wrote: > VERY good folks there; order & deal with confidence! I heartily second David's recommendation. If any of you ever visit my website, americanflyerdisplays.org, you should say thank you to Clay Buckage of Dave's TNT and his late father Charlie, who generously provided the high quality photos of the 2nd Floor Gilbert Hall of Science Layout, which goes by the name of "The Buckage Collection." In addition his assistance was instrumental in presenting the videos of his restored Sibley Department Store Layout. Many thanks, Clay, for support of the hobby, both its history and its present. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73989	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE jan. 16

'We build the fastest airplanes in America" was the slogan of Gee Bee during the era between the World Wars and they backed it up with a series a fabulous but dangerous racing planes.  That's today's story at:  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73990	From: nwoodsnut	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

My Mikado engine ran great until I had stopped it, the smoke unit was producing smoke it sat at a siding for a couple minutes then a big puff of smoke and the lights went out. The engine is now a parts engine, the wire from the smoke on/off switch is fried as are a couple other wires all the way back to the circuit board. Now I run my other Mikado with out smoke, not worth the loss.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73991	From: trndad	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

Bummer!  I will say that just about all the parts for the Mikado are available on the Lionel website, so if you are wiling and able to troubleshoot the problem, you may be able to fix it for a reasonable amount.  And if you decide instead to part with it, I would be interested.  I have a C&O Mikado that needs some parts to be complete.   Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73992	From: trndad	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

Carl, thanks for the advice.  I didn't have a chance to test the regulator, but I did use some test leads to temporarily hook up the new smoke unit to the engine's smoke leads and it smoked like crazy, so the regulator is OK.  The replacement smoke unit I have fits the mikado perfectly, so I installed it (making sure to insulate it from the shell) and soldered the connections.  Now I just need to reassemble the engine and test it on the track in conventional and command control modes.  One down, one to go.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73993	From: trndad	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

Rich, as Carl pointed out in an earlier post, make sure you use a smoke fluid made for Seuthe smoke units.  I have read that others will gunk up the smoke unit which may lead to reduced performance and early failure.  I see that LGB makes a combined Seuthe cleaner and smoke fluid that is supposed to help keep the smoke unit in top working order.  I have not tried it, but if yours is putting out some smoke, it isn't burned up yet.  That may help.  I'd be curious to know if that works for you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73994	From: trndad	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Docksider Smoke Unit Modification

I thought I'd share this info on how I modified the smoke units in my Docksiders to enhance their smoking capability.  I have uploaded a document that explains what I did.  The modification is reversible if you ever wnat to return the unit to stock configuration.  It has been a while since I did this but it worked well for me.    Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73995	From: trndad	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Docksider Smoke Unit Modification

I forgot to say that the PDF file I uploaded is named "Smoke Unit Upgrade".   Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73996	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Small Semi-Vandy Tender (Advertisement)

We are working on a small semi-Vanderbilt tender using pre 1966 AF parts. Coal burner or oiler will be available. This new offering should be ready the first quarter of 2014. We may even offer it in kit form for the more advanced hobbyist that want to use their own chassis. Stay tuned for further heads up on this project. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73997	From: rick gough	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

Fix it and make it smoke, it's too nice a loco to part out.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "nwoodsnut@..." <nwoodsnut@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:06 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=16121450446&tc_rand=1345606044&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=bW%2Fu5Jk4qtX0SIrcEWiG9jaasudP47W9BW%2FaIkb%2BQznAXtwO48LSUnrkkivYEmN0&key=xzt1VAhMyejuM4t7%2Bisj%2BAtk4r5bxCZY4UkCfv4uMRw%3D   My Mikado engine ran great until I had stopped it, the smoke unit was producing smoke it sat at a siding for a couple minutes then a big puff of smoke and the lights went out. The engine is now a parts engine, the wire from the smoke on/off switch is fried as are a couple other wires all the way back to the circuit board. Now I run my other Mikado with out smoke, not worth the loss.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73998	From: Rick	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Re: Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit

My experience with suethe (capitalization missing on purpose-junk company) was about the same.  It's GARBAGE!   I have a couple of Bachmann's that I would be happy to send you, for free.  Not that Bachmann is a better company, but I think their smoker units work better.  They just didn't work in my particular application. The two of them are siliconed together.  So maybe you could just experiment with them.  If you like them, just a little work would separate the pair.  Or you could buy one if you like them. Happy days, Rick On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:04 PM, rick gough wrote:   Fix it and make it smoke, it's too nice a loco to part out.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "nwoodsnut@..." <nwoodsnut@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:06 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Testing and replacing a Mikado Suethe smoke unit ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=16121450446&tc_rand=1345606044&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=bW%2Fu5Jk4qtX0SIrcEWiG9jaasudP47W9BW%2FaIkb%2BQznAXtwO48LSUnrkkivYEmN0&key=xzt1VAhMyejuM4t7%2Bisj%2BAtk4r5bxCZY4UkCfv4uMRw%3D   My Mikado engine ran great until I had stopped it, the smoke unit was producing smoke it sat at a siding for a couple minutes then a big puff of smoke and the lights went out. The engine is now a parts engine, the wire from the smoke on/off switch is fried as are a couple other wires all the way back to the circuit board. Now I run my other Mikado with out smoke, not worth the loss.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73999	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/16/2014
Subject: Miller Billboards and Rebuilding Whistles

Since I've been on semester break, I've had time to play a bit with my trains. I've been cleaning and repairing things and found that my original 566 whistle from 1954 had a wire broken on the motor coil. Of course it broke off on the winding closest to the frame so you couldn't dig it out! Anyway, I carefully unwound it counting the turns as I went. I counted 220 turns and measuring the wire, it looks like #25 and not #24 like in the locos. I went over to the local electronics store and picked up a small spool of #25 magnet wire and rewound it with about 230 turns. Tip, take a pair of needle nose pliers and gently roll the brush clips over so they are tight on the brush tubes. Mine were loose and when I touched them after blowing the whistle, they were hot. It also increased the volume of the whistle a bit by eliminating the voltage drop. Works great now! I spent the time because this was something my dad bought for me long ago and I wanted to salvage it. I bought two of the Miller Billboards, The Cracker Jack one and the Drive In Marquee. I also bought one of their power supplies to run them off the regular transformer. The billboards are great but the power supply left a little to be desired. I don't know where it was assembled but it was some very sloppy work. I ended up having to re-solder one lead to the coil and a couple of resistors, but it works fine now. Might be interesting to do a little reverse engineering on the billboards and see if I can control them with an Arduino to have them change patterns every few minutes. I have a little 7 inch LCD TV that will go with the Drive-In Marquee to make a working drive-in. Rather than try to make up a bunch of tiny poles and speakers, I think I will just put a note on the Marquee, "FM Sound 103.1" That's what our last drive-in had. Heck, I actually do have a 25 mw FM transmitter like they used! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74000	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/17/2014
Subject: Re: Miller Billboards and Rebuilding Whistles

Thanks for the report, George, It makes me feel like I was right there with you.I hope ill be some photos to go with when you find a convenient time. Also, your technical information about wire diameter, number of turns, mechanical refinements, Quality Assurance work on those boards and the clever idea about broadcast sound area all welcome. Back in the 1960's when I would rewind slot car motors, we often focused on the diameter and the number of turns. IT worked well for me and my racing buddies. The electrical engineers at the time said we should pay more attention to the length of the wire we out on rather than the number of turns. Never did know why. They also reminded us not to pull the wire too tight or we would draw it to a smaller diameter. That made sense. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/17/2014 12:15 AM, George Cohn wrote: > Since I've been on semester break, I've had time to play a bit with my > trains. > > I've been cleaning and repairing things and found that my original 566 > whistle from 1954 had a wire broken on the motor coil. Of course it > broke off on the winding closest to the frame so you couldn't dig it out! > > Anyway, I carefully unwound it counting the turns as I went. I counted > 220 turns and measuring the wire, it looks like #25 and not #24 like in > the locos. I went over to the local electronics store and picked up a > small spool of #25 magnet wire and rewound it with about 230 turns. > > Tip, take a pair of needle nose pliers and gently roll the brush clips > over so they are tight on the brush tubes. Mine were loose and when I > touched them after blowing the whistle, they were hot. It also > increased the volume of the whistle a bit by eliminating the voltage drop. > > Works great now! I spent the time because this was something my dad > bought for me long ago and I wanted to salvage it. > > I bought two of the Miller Billboards, The Cracker Jack one and the > Drive In Marquee. I also bought one of their power supplies to run them > off the regular transformer. > > The billboards are great but the power supply left a little to be > desired. I don't know where it was assembled but it was some very > sloppy work. I ended up having to re-solder one lead to the coil and a > couple of resistors, but it works fine now. > > Might be interesting to do a little reverse engineering on the > billboards and see if I can control them with an Arduino to have them > change patterns every few minutes. > > I have a little 7 inch LCD TV that will go with the Drive-In Marquee to > make a working drive-in. Rather than try to make up a bunch of tiny > poles and speakers, I think I will just put a note on the Marquee, "FM > Sound 103.1" > > That's what our last drive-in had. Heck, I actually do have a 25 mw FM > transmitter like they used! > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74001	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/17/2014
Subject: Re: Miller Billboards and Rebuilding Whistles

On 1/17/2014 8:52 AM, Bill Porter wrote: > Also, your technical information about wire diameter, number of turns, > mechanical refinements, Quality Assurance work on those boards and the > clever idea about broadcast sound area all welcome. Once upon a time, I had a book that showed all of the winding information on the American Flyer coils that detailed the wire size and number of turns but for some reason I can't find it. I added a few turns because i had room. It never hurts to add more turns if the final coil will fit. As for the Miller power supply, I can only guess that it was a bad day at the factory as the coil was broken loose and a couple of resistors were not soldered on one end. I guess we should just be thankful that this cool stuff is being built. Drive-Ins for the most part converted to radio sound, both FM and AM many years ago because of the maintenance problems with speakers. I can remember attending drive-ins many years ago and wishing that I had some way to use my radio instead of those scratchy volume control and warped speaker cone speakers! I'll try to post a picture once I have it modeled. I can hook my LCD TV to a video player and actually play movies so it should be cool. One of our former local drive-ins. the Tucson 5, was next to the train tracks and when a train came by behind the theater, the headlight washed out the picture on some of the screens for a few seconds. I'm thinking films like American Graffiti, Grease, and Close Encounters would be appropriate for the early 70's. Maybe The day the Earth Stood still for the 50's, or Unstoppable for something current that is about trains? One of my other hobbies is restoring drive-in speakers and junction boxes so I know a lot of history of them as well. Here's a few pictures of my backyard drive-in project: http://www.gwcohn.com/backyard/ George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74002	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 1/17/2014
Subject: Re: HELP (Off-Topic): Marklin AC HO

Hi Joseph-- I have been modeling w/ Marklin for 40 years, and although, I'm no expert, I do have extensive knowledge of these trains. However, I'm not familiar with this particular # 82902. If you could provide some more info, i.e., Loco #,  conventional or digital etc., that might be helpful. A few general remarks about Marklin numbering: The 8 digit used to refer to Marklin Hamo which was their DC version for 2 rail DC operation. No longer manufactured, as they now own TRIX. Currently, the 8 digit refers to their Z gauge line which is 2 rail DC. The older Marklin motors were universal,i.e., could be used for AC or DC. The newer digital maintenance free C-Sine motors are actually DC, as the Motorola system that Marklin uses converts the AC power to DC at the motor. Anyway, I hope this helps!! Thanks CJB Clement J Bianchi ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 5:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] HELP (Off-Topic): Marklin AC HO    Does anyone know or know of someone with knowledge of the AC motors used in Marklin invisible third-rail HO trains (specifically Set No 82902). Any references would be appreciated. Thanks, Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74003	From: rick gough	Date: 1/17/2014
Subject: Re: Miller Billboards and Rebuilding Whistles

The thing with Miller is you can call them and talk to the actual owner. I did after getting my Union Station. My question was 'can they slow down the speed of the light changes'; he said not without reengineering the control unit. If the changes were 1/3 the speed of what they've programmed we feel they would be much more realistic for what otherwise are great signs. Don't know that I made a dent, but at least he listened.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Miller Billboards and Rebuilding Whistles ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=16130517288&tc_rand=224343323&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=ouXl1eRLPYeJysqz2q%2Fg05zMvOKOkO%2FStjqJVhB8ECLr1Pm6bWjp2IvwdlvdY1Tw&key=vZytVQgQhciTEFCCFJIuodu%2Fmnna1PD0otJfzCQOuMA%3D   On 1/17/2014 8:52 AM, Bill Porter wrote: > Also, your technical information about wire diameter, number of turns, > mechanical refinements, Quality Assurance work on those boards and the > clever idea about broadcast sound area all welcome. Once upon a time, I had a book that showed all of the winding information on the American Flyer coils that detailed the wire size and number of turns but for some reason I can't find it. I added a few turns because i had room. It never hurts to add more turns if the final coil will fit. As for the Miller power supply, I can only guess that it was a bad day at the factory as the coil was broken loose and a couple of resistors were not soldered on one end. I guess we should just be thankful that this cool stuff is being built. Drive-Ins for the most part converted to radio sound, both FM and AM many years ago because of the maintenance problems with speakers. I can remember attending drive-ins many years ago and wishing that I had some way to use my radio instead of those scratchy volume control and warped speaker cone speakers! I'll try to post a picture once I have it modeled. I can hook my LCD TV to a video player and actually play movies so it should be cool. One of our former local drive-ins. the Tucson 5, was next to the train tracks and when a train came by behind the theater, the headlight washed out the picture on some of the screens for a few seconds. I'm thinking films like American Graffiti, Grease, and Close Encounters would be appropriate for the early 70's. Maybe The day the Earth Stood still for the 50's, or Unstoppable for something current that is about trains? One of my other hobbies is restoring drive-in speakers and junction boxes so I know a lot of history of them as well. Here's a few pictures of my backyard drive-in project: http://www.gwcohn.com/backyard/ George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74004	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/18/2014
Subject: Seuthe smoke units

Back in the eighties and nineties when I was into G scale and garden railroading, LGB and the Seuthe smoke units were THE items to have.  LGB quality, durability, and popularity actually CREATED Garden Railroading as it is here in America, although outdoor model trains have been around a very long time in England and Europe. LGB made the best products on the market, in fact LGB was the highest quality model trains I have ever owned.  They used a tiny circuit board to control the Seuthe unit, which helped the units survive.  The G size units were bigger, which also helped keep the right amount of fluid in them.  But LGB trains were expensive to start with and the monetary exchange rate of the time didn't help.  Once the popularity of this large scale was proven, other manufacturers popped up, having their stuff made in China. The Chinese quickly "knocked off" a cheaper version of the Seuthe smoke units, which is what we see today.  Unfortunately, in recent years it appears that hobby manufacturing in China has been shifted to plants with less skilled workers and quality is erratic.  Auto World slot cars and Bachmann Trains have been battling serious quality control troubles for the past five or six years. The "Seuthe style" smoke unit does "OK" if you are very careful keeping the amount of fluid at the right level to keep it from frying and still produce smoke.  This was necessary in the larger LGB size units, but REALLY important in the smaller ones today. They do NOT like to be fed too much higher voltages than designed for either!  So be careful if experimenting. As pointed out, you CANNOT use the smoke fluid blended for old Gilbert trains or fan driven type smoke units in the "Seuthe style" units.  (In fact for best results use only the correct fluid for each type of unit because the fluids are blended specifically for each.) Stumpy in Ahia

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74006	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/18/2014
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units

Stumpy, do you know the weight of the fluid? Is it sold as LGB? Mike   In a message dated 1/18/2014 9:37:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes:   Back in the eighties and nineties when I was into G scale and garden railroading, LGB and the Seuthe smoke units were THE items to have.  LGB quality, durability, and popularity actually CREATED Garden Railroading as it is here in America, although outdoor model trains have been around a very long time in England and Europe. LGB made the best products on the market, in fact LGB was the highest quality model trains I have ever owned.  They used a tiny circuit board to control the Seuthe unit, which helped the units survive.  The G size units were bigger, which also helped keep the right amount of fluid in them.  But LGB trains were expensive to start with and the monetary exchange rate of the time didn't help.  Once the popularity of this large scale was proven, other manufacturers popped up, having their stuff made in China. The Chinese quickly "kn ocked off" a cheaper version of the Seuthe smoke units, which is what we see today.  Unfortunately, in recent years it appears that hobby manufacturing in China has been shifted to plants with less skilled workers and quality is erratic.  Auto World slot cars and Bachmann Trains have been battling serious quality control troubles for the past five or six years. The "Seuthe style" smoke unit does "OK" if you are very careful keeping the amount of fluid at the right level to keep it from frying and still produce smoke.  This was necessary in the larger LGB size units, but REALLY important in the smaller ones today. They do NOT like to be fed too much higher voltages than designed for either!  So be careful if experimenting. As pointed out, you CANNOT use the smoke fluid blended for old Gilbert trains or fan driven type smoke units in the "Seuthe style" units.  (In fact for best results use only the correct fluid for each type of unit because the fluids are blended specifically for each.) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74007	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/18/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/19/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74008	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/18/2014
Subject: Seuthe smoke units

Seuthe fluid was sold by both Seuthe and LGB (under LGB name.)   Seuthe was also sold through Walthers for a number of years too, but I don't know if they still have it.  I don't know the actual weight of Seuther smoke fluid or it's specific gravity number.  So I decided to do an unscientific test.  I still had a little LGB fluid left, some Proto Smoke (for MTH fan smoke units) and Anormal 1 for old Flyer.  My test was feel each in my fingers and then use an eye dropper to drip it onto computer paper, the thinnest spreading fastest and farthest. The fluid for Flyer was heaviest, and the fluid for Seuthe style units the lightest, although there was very little difference to the feel between all of them. From operational experience, even though they look and feel similar, each fluid is blended specifically for the units they are mean to be used in and do not work well (or work at all) otherwise.  Therefore, there MUST be enough difference to make it worthwhile to use what the unit calls for.  I'm sure someone much better versed in such chemicals could give you specifics. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74009	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!

Good morning: I wish this were were a joke.  I got diagnosed with brain cancer on the 26th of December.  Way less than 5 years remaining,  You may tell any one you wish.  I fear my my modeling days are over. I have good minutes, bad hours.  Right hand becoming worthless,  Cannot talk at times.   Cannot trust right hand.  So far treatments are for symptoms, not tumors.  Might have 2 years.  Never plan to work again.  More tests on Monday.  I am not hiding this so you may tell anyone.  I still hope to attend Oconomowoc NASG this summer.  I do not plan a new contest model. Today I plan to go out for second breakfast at 10:30 with friends.  I have mother-in-law's wheelchair.  They will push when I cannot push myself.  Big train photo show in town: O. Winston Link.  Google him.  Good photos. At 6:30 AM my wife Catherine and daughter Jess were asleep.  That makes me happy.   Now everone is up and drinking coffee. Feel free to e-mail me; I read everything. Love and smiles; ALL of you make me happy, Thorin Required S Scale Content:  The seed money I sent to KND for S Scale Trolleys is to continue to design S Scale Trollies.  I guess I will not see rapid prototyped S Scale trolleys.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74010	From: njma41	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!

God bless you!!  I will for you, and for you to feel better!!  Nick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74011	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!

GM Thorin I am very sorry to hear this news I know cancer is a very bad with a lot of suffering I had a bout with prostate cancer six years ago and it got cured I know what you are facing the unknown I was very lucky to have it caught in time I will keep you in my preys Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thorin Marty Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:17 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic - Enjoy your trains!     Good morning:   I wish this were were a joke.  I got diagnosed with brain cancer on the 26th of December.  Way less than 5 years remaining,  You may tell any one you wish.  I fear my my modeling days are over.   I have good minutes, bad hours.  Right hand becoming worthless,  Cannot talk at times.   Cannot trust right hand.  So far treatments are for symptoms, not tumors.  Might have 2 years.  Never plan to work again.  More tests on Monday.  I am not hiding this so you may tell anyone.  I still hope to attend Oconomowoc NASG this summer.  I do not plan a new contest model. Today I plan to go out for second breakfast at 10:30 with friends.  I have mother-in-law's wheelchair.  They will push when I cannot push myself.  Big train photo show in town: O. Winston Link.  Google him.  Good photos. At 6:30 AM my wife Catherine and daughter Jess were asleep.  That makes me happy.   Now everone is up and drinking coffee.   Feel free to e-mail me; I read everything. Love and smiles; ALL of you make me happy, Thorin   Required S Scale Content:  The seed money I sent to KND for S Scale Trolleys is to continue to design S Scale Trollies.  I guess I will not see rapid prototyped S Scale trolleys.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74012	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Lionel Flyer SD 70

I recently got a Lionel Flyer Union Pacific "Building America" SD70. Beautiful engine! Reading the instruction manual, (bizarre, huh?), I learned that it has built-in circuitry to detect the power system on the track. It is supposed to run on AC, DC, TMCC, Legacy, and DCC. I have successfully run it on both TMCC and Legacy. I'm taking it down to the train club this afternoon to try AC and DC. Last Sunday, I met our train club's DCC guru at the clubhouse and we tried to get it programmed and running on DCC, but were unsuccessful. He put it on our DIgiTrax programming track and tried to set it up, but the engine did not acknowledge any of the commands he sent it. Has anyone else out there successfully gotten an SD70 to run on DCC? I'd appreciate any tips or instructions you have on how to get it running. Thank you very much. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74013	From: johntech	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!

Thorin   I have never met you but my heart goes out to you and your family. I have lost my father to heart disease and my mother to Alzheimer's.   I am sure you have lots of friends here on the chat group who know you and are great friends.   I have been planning my layout for years and this year I have decided I have waited long enough and have started building my layout so I can enjoy my trains with my son and our new grandson.   Please know that you are in our prayers for your journey ahead!!   John Frankforther         ----- Original Message ----- From: Thorin Marty To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic - Enjoy your trains!   Good morning: I wish this were were a joke.  I got diagnosed with brain cancer on the 26th of December.  Way less than 5 years remaining,  You may tell any one you wish.  I fear my my modeling days are over. I have good minutes, bad hours.  Right hand becoming worthless,  Cannot talk at times.   Cannot trust right hand.  So far treatments are for symptoms, not tumors.  Might have 2 years.  Never plan to work again.  More tests on Monday.  I am not hiding this so you may tell anyone.  I still hope to attend Oconomowoc NASG this summer.  I do not plan a new contest model. Today I plan to go out for second breakfast at 10:30 with friends.  I have mother-in-law's wheelchair.  They will push when I cannot push myself.  Big train photo show in town: O. Winston Link.  Google him.  Good photos. At 6:30 AM my wife Catherine and daughter Jess were asleep.  That makes me happy.   Now everone is up and drinking coffee. Feel free to e-mail me; I read everything. Love and smiles; ALL of you make me happy, Thorin Required S Scale Content:  The seed money I sent to KND for S Scale Trolleys is to continue to design S Scale Trollies.  I guess I will not see rapid prototyped S Scale trolleys. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74014	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/19/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 19, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74015	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Rex Critter

Hi Folks, I have a couple of those little trollies and find them delightful. Does anyone have any photos of the diesel switchers he made? I never got around to buying one. Even if I never get to own one, I would like to add a photo or two of S-Scale critters to my person web site: http://wpporter.worthygems.com/HKPorterLocos.php Something about those small, internal-combustion switchers is grabbing my imagination. Please let me know if you have photos or facts to add. Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74016	From: afot7	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > Seuthe fluid was sold by both Seuthe and LGB (under LGB name.) Seuthe was also sold through Walthers for a number of years too, but I don't know if they still have it. > > > I don't know the actual weight of Seuther smoke fluid or it's specific gravity number. So I decided to do an unscientific test. I still had a little LGB fluid left, some Proto Smoke (for MTH fan smoke units) and Anormal 1 for old Flyer. My test was feel each in my fingers and then use an eye dropper to drip it onto computer paper, the thinnest spreading fastest and farthest. > > > The fluid for Flyer was heaviest, and the fluid for Seuthe style units the lightest, although there was very little difference to the feel between all of them. > > > From operational experience, even though they look and feel similar, each fluid is blended specifically for the units they are mean to be used in and do not work well (or work at all) otherwise. Therefore, there MUST be enough difference to make it worthwhile to use what the unit calls for. > > > I'm sure someone much better versed in such chemicals could give you specifics. > > > Stumpy in Ahia > Walters has Seuthe smoke fluid 50ml 250ml 1000ml in stock.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74018	From: rzuerlein2001	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70

Had the same problem with my RG heritage unit. Assuming the Digitrax recognizes the module,  I reset the CV's using CV 8 set to 8 (check the manual to be sure my memory is correct).   Roger Zuerlein

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74019	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70

Hi Ben, The SD70 will definitely run on DCC, and run very well. There is a DCC addendum packed with the SD70. I assume you and your DCC guy saw that and read it? I have seen a couple of SD70s that needed to have the speed table loaded before it would run in 128 speed steps. If you set it to 128 speed steps and select address 3, it should run on DCC out of the box. I haven't tried programming it with digitrax. It is a sound decoder, and I know that at least some digitrax systems need a programming booster to program sound systems. This could be the reason you don't get acknowledgements on the programming track. We (guys in my club) have runSD70s on digitrax, Lenz, add Northcoast systems without problems. If you still have problems, contact me off list and we can talk by phone. Bill On 1/19/2014 10:41 AM, The Upstairs Train wrote:   I recently got a Lionel Flyer Union Pacific "Building America" SD70. Beautiful engine! Reading the instruction manual, (bizarre, huh?), I learned that it has built-in circuitry to detect the power system on the track. It is supposed to run on AC, DC, TMCC, Legacy, and DCC. I have successfully run it on both TMCC and Legacy. I'm taking it down to the train club this afternoon to try AC and DC. Last Sunday, I met our train club's DCC guru at the clubhouse and we tried to get it programmed and running on DCC, but were unsuccessful. He put it on our DIgiTrax programming track and tried to set it up, but the engine did not acknowledge any of the commands he sent it. Has anyone else out there successfully gotten an SD70 to run on DCC? I'd appreciate any tips or instructions you have on how to get it running. Thank you very much. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74020	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Removing paint

Hello all,  what is the common method of removing water soluable paint from plastic?   Thank you, Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74021	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Rex Critter

Bill,   I have one of the first versions Putt Trains sold it was an US Steel Black and redish orange and came with 2 flyer gondolas also painted up for US Steel, later versions were Blue or Yellow lettered for Acme there were also undecorated kit versions as well as kit versions of the trolley.   If I can not Find a pic will take one for you, may even have an old flyer from Putt Trains showing the yellow and blue versions.       From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> To: S-Trains Yahoo <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Rex Critter   Hi Folks, I have a couple of those little trollies and find them delightful. Does anyone have any photos of the diesel switchers he made? I never got around to buying one. Even if I never get to own one, I would like to add a photo or two of S-Scale critters to my person web site: http://wpporter.worthygems.com/HKPorterLocos.php Something about those small, internal-combustion switchers is grabbing my imagination. Please let me know if you have photos or facts to add. Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74022	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

Harwood,      That subject comes up every now and again and the choice is up to you. Years ago I used isopropyl alcohol available in any pharmacy. It works but it's a lot of work. Next came brake fluid....the old stuff you'd use in your 57 Chevy it's DOT 3 I think. The newer stuff  is not supposed to harm paint so use the old stuff. Next I used ordinary full strength Pine-sol. I never had any problems with it on American Models hoppers,bay window caboose and smooth side passenger cars. I have since been told that Pine-sol will damage the plastic. As it would seen your best bet would be one of the commercial paint removers manufactured by a hobby paint manufacturer. Check with your local hobby retailer or online with Walthers.          Bob          in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74023	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter

Right. Terry Putt. How could I forget that? Yes, please do. Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/19/2014 4:00 PM, bruce weidner wrote: Bill,   I have one of the first versions Putt Trains sold it was an US Steel Black and redish orange and came with 2 flyer gondolas also painted up for US Steel, later versions were Blue or Yellow lettered for Acme there were also undecorated kit versions as well as kit versions of the trolley.   If I can not Find a pic will take one for you, may even have an old flyer from Putt Trains showing the yellow and blue versions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74024	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70

Aha! There is no DCC addendum in the box with my SD70. I'll go online and see if I can find it on the Lionel website. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jan 19, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Bill Clark <billclark424@...> wrote:   Hi Ben, The SD70 will definitely run on DCC, and run very well. There is a DCC addendum packed with the SD70. I assume you and your DCC guy saw that and read it? I have seen a couple of SD70s that needed to have the speed table loaded before it would run in 128 speed steps. If you set it to 128 speed steps and select address 3, it should run on DCC out of the box. I haven't tried programming it with digitrax. It is a sound decoder, and I know that at least some digitrax systems need a programming booster to program sound systems. This could be the reason you don't get acknowledgements on the programming track. We (guys in my club) have runSD70s on digitrax, Lenz, add Northcoast systems without problems. If you still have problems, contact me off list and we can talk by phone. Bill On 1/19/2014 10:41 AM, The Upstairs Train wrote:   I recently got a Lionel Flyer Union Pacific "Building America" SD70. Beautiful engine! Reading the instruction manual, (bizarre, huh?), I learned that it has built-in circuitry to detect the power system on the track. It is supposed to run on AC, DC, TMCC, Legacy, and DCC. I have successfully run it on both TMCC and Legacy. I'm taking it down to the train club this afternoon to try AC and DC. Last Sunday, I met our train club's DCC guru at the clubhouse and we tried to get it programmed and running on DCC, but were unsuccessful. He put it on our DIgiTrax programming track and tried to set it up, but the engine did not acknowledge any of the commands he sent it. Has anyone else out there successfully gotten an SD70 to run on DCC? I'd appreciate any tips or instructions you have on how to get it running. Thank you very much. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74025	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 1/19/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!

You have my prayers, my mother in law went thru this after getting different cancers on 3 different time, she fought it to the end, you just never know, I pray for you in healing, in a special need and the strength to go on GOD BLESS YOU and your familly. James Davidson From: Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic - Enjoy your trains!   Good morning: I wish this were were a joke.  I got diagnosed with brain cancer on the 26th of December.  Way less than 5 years remaining,  You may tell any one you wish.  I fear my my modeling days are over. I have good minutes, bad hours.  Right hand becoming worthless,  Cannot talk at times.   Cannot trust right hand.  So far treatments are for symptoms, not tumors.  Might have 2 years.  Never plan to work again.  More tests on Monday.  I am not hiding this so you may tell anyone.  I still hope to attend Oconomowoc NASG this summer.  I do not plan a new contest model. Today I plan to go out for second breakfast at 10:30 with friends.  I have mother-in-law's wheelchair.  They will push when I cannot push myself.  Big train photo show in town: O. Winston Link.  Google him.  Good photos. At 6:30 AM my wife Catherine and daughter Jess were asleep.  That makes me happy.   Now everone is up and drinking coffee. Feel free to e-mail me; I read everything. Love and smiles; ALL of you make me happy, Thorin Required S Scale Content:  The seed money I sent to KND for S Scale Trolleys is to continue to design S Scale Trollies.  I guess I will not see rapid prototyped S Scale trolleys.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74026	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!

Thorin, I know we have talked off the list only a few times but I feel I know you.  I hope you will have more good days than bad days and  I will remember you in my prayers. Dale Smith On 1/19/2014 12:16 AM, Thorin Marty wrote:   Good morning: I wish this were were a joke.  I got diagnosed with brain cancer on the 26th of December.  Way less than 5 years remaining,  You may tell any one you wish.  I fear my my modeling days are over. I have good minutes, bad hours.  Right hand becoming worthless,  Cannot talk at times.   Cannot trust right hand.  So far treatments are for symptoms, not tumors.  Might have 2 years.  Never plan to work again.  More tests on Monday.  I am not hiding this so you may tell anyone.  I still hope to attend Oconomowoc NASG this summer.  I do not plan a new contest model. Today I plan to go out for second breakfast at 10:30 with friends.  I have mother-in-law's wheelchair.  They will push when I cannot push myself.  Big train photo show in town: O. Winston Link.  Google him.  Good photos. At 6:30 AM my wife Catherine and daughter Jess were asleep.  That makes me happy.   Now everone is up and drinking coffee. Feel free to e-mail me; I read everything. Love and smiles; ALL of you make me happy, Thorin Required S Scale Content:  The seed money I sent to KND for S Scale Trolleys is to continue to design S Scale Trollies.  I guess I will not see rapid prototyped S Scale trolleys.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74027	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!

PRAYERS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, THORIN.  I ALWAYS ENJOYED YOUR POSTS AND COMMENTS. Jim Ensign, Louisville, Colorado From: "MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON" <jad01@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:36:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off topic - Enjoy your trains!   You have my prayers, my mother in law went thru this after getting different cancers on 3 different time, she fought it to the end, you just never know, I pray for you in healing, in a special need and the strength to go on GOD BLESS YOU and your familly. James Davidson From: Thorin Marty <lagthor@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic - Enjoy your trains!   Good morning: I wish this were were a joke.  I got diagnosed with brain cancer on the 26th of December.  Way less than 5 years remaining,  You may tell any one you wish.  I fear my my modeling days are over. I have good minutes, bad hours.  Right hand becoming worthless,  Cannot talk at times.   Cannot trust right hand.  So far treatments are for symptoms, not tumors.  Might have 2 years.  Never plan to work again.  More tests on Monday.  I am not hiding this so you may tell anyone.  I still hope to attend Oconomowoc NASG this summer.  I do not plan a new contest model. Today I plan to go out for second breakfast at 10:30 with friends.  I have mother-in-law's wheelchair.  They will push when I cannot push myself.  Big train photo show in town: O. Winston Link.  Google him.  Good photos. At 6:30 AM my wife Catherine and daughter Jess were asleep.  That makes me happy.   Now everone is up and drinking coffee. Feel free to e-mail me; I read everything. Love and smiles; ALL of you make me happy, Thorin Required S Scale Content:  The seed money I sent to KND for S Scale Trolleys is to continue to design S Scale Trollies.  I guess I will not see rapid prototyped S Scale trolleys.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74028	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!

Thorin, God bless you. Continue to pray and keep your spirits up. I was diagnosed with terminal stage IV metatstatic cancer of the liver and given 6-18 months almost 2 years ago. I had to sell my train business, but I continue to repair trains (for free at shows). Keep busy and follow the doctor's orders. They are coming up with new cures and surprises all of the time. I, like you, have shared my prognosis ad the many cards and well wishes that I get continue to sustain m and give me hope. If you ever want to talk, just email me. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74029	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Of Topic: Enjoy your trains

My best wishes and prayers go out to you.  Cindy has battled various Cancers three different times, and her father fought it to the end before her.   I know the situation all too well.      It seems that the indestructible youths we used to be, have become the older and wiser, yet more vulnerable folks we are now. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74030	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint

I am not sure if it was here or another train site somebody recommended a product that I picked up at Home Depot. It is Industrial Purple Cleaner and Degreaser.  I tried it and was very much satisfied with the results and no obnoxious odor. I put enough in a plastic drywall trough to submerge the shell and let it soak for a couple of hours and the paint came off very easily, I used a tooth brush to get into the crevices but this is not a labor intensive project. It worked well on both American Flyer and American Models products and I was able to do a number of shells, six to eight, before having to dispose of it. Works great. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74031	From: Rick	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Off topic - Enjoy your trains!

Thorin, Get pissed!  That's the only way I get through things like this, and get better.  Beat this shit! Don't let the monster take you over When I have to drive, anywhere, I arrive at my destination in reeling pain.  My back is screwed.  Nothing like what you are going through, but very debilitating, none the less.  I can't even think right, with the pain. Just say no, you're not giving up.  Don't go away until you're ready.  And I don't think you're ready. Love, Rick On Jan 19, 2014, at 7:36 PM, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON wrote:   You have my prayers, my mother in law went thru this after getting different cancers on 3 different time, she fought it to the end, you just never know, I pray for you in healing, in a special need and the strength to go on GOD BLESS YOU and your familly. James Davidson From: Thorin Marty t> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:16 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Off topic - Enjoy your trains!   Good morning: I wish this were were a joke.  I got diagnosed with brain cancer on the 26th of December.  Way less than 5 years remaining,  You may tell any one you wish.  I fear my my modeling days are over. I have good minutes, bad hours.  Right hand becoming worthless,  Cannot talk at times.   Cannot trust right hand.  So far treatments are for symptoms, not tumors.  Might have 2 years.  Never plan to work again.  More tests on Monday.  I am not hiding this so you may tell anyone.  I still hope to attend Oconomowoc NASG this summer.  I do not plan a new contest model. Today I plan to go out for second breakfast at 10:30 with friends.  I have mother-in-law's wheelchair.  They will push when I cannot push myself.  Big train photo show in town: O. Winston Link.  Google him.  Good photos. At 6:30 AM my wife Catherine and daughter Jess were asleep.  That makes me happy.   Now everone is up and drinking coffee. Feel free to e-mail me; I read everything. Love and smiles; ALL of you make me happy, Thorin Required S Scale Content:  The seed money I sent to KND for S Scale Trolleys is to continue to design S Scale Trollies.  I guess I will not see rapid prototyped S Scale trolleys.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74032	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

Thank you Bob -----Original Message----- From: danceswithwolves49 <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:08 pm Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Removing paint   Harwood,      That subject comes up every now and again and the choice is up to you. Years ago I used isopropyl alcohol available in any pharmacy. It works but it's a lot of work. Next came brake fluid....the old stuff you'd use in your 57 Chevy it's DOT 3 I think. The newer stuff  is not supposed to harm paint so use the old stuff. Next I used ordinary full strength Pine-sol. I never had any problems with it on American Models hoppers,bay window caboose and smooth side passenger cars. I have since been told that Pine-sol will damage the plastic. As it would seen your best bet would be one of the commercial paint removers manufactured by a hobby paint manufacturer. Check with your local hobby retailer or online with Walthers.          Bob          in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74033	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint

Thanks Ray -----Original Message----- From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 7:37 am Subject: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint   I am not sure if it was here or another train site somebody recommended a product that I picked up at Home Depot. It is Industrial Purple Cleaner and Degreaser.  I tried it and was very much satisfied with the results and no obnoxious odor. I put enough in a plastic drywall trough to submerge the shell and let it soak for a couple of hours and the paint came off very easily, I used a tooth brush to get into the crevices but this is not a labor intensive project. It worked well on both American Flyer and American Models products and I was able to do a number of shells, six to eight, before having to dispose of it. Works great. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74034	From: rzuerlein2001	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70

Bob: Had this problem with my Rio Grande Heritage unit.  On page 26 of the owner's manual, there are specific CV settings.  Assuming the Digitrax unit is reading the proper manufacturer's ID (73), access CV 8 and write to 08.  This will reset the DCC decoder.  Using address 03 for the unit, things should fire up for you.   Roger Zuerlein

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74035	From: Chris	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint

Over here in the UK we have a medical antiseptic called Dettol.  That works a treat on plastic, again soaked for an hour or two and paint comes away very easily. There are newer versions of Dettol for use as cleaners but the original medical antiseptic one is the one to go for if available in the States... Chris   From: HOwingsiii@... Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint     Thanks Ray -----Original Message----- From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 7:37 am Subject: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint   I am not sure if it was here or another train site somebody recommended a product that I picked up at Home Depot. It is Industrial Purple Cleaner and Degreaser.  I tried it and was very much satisfied with the results and no obnoxious odor. I put enough in a plastic drywall trough to submerge the shell and let it soak for a couple of hours and the paint came off very easily, I used a tooth brush to get into the crevices but this is not a labor intensive project. It worked well on both American Flyer and American Models products and I was able to do a number of shells, six to eight, before having to dispose of it. Works great. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74036	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint

Thanks Chris,    I've never heard of Dettol but will check it out. Quite possibly there is something here in the states that is virtually the same but has a different name.                                                                                         Bob                                                                                  in Kalispell   From: cforster@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:48:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint   Over here in the UK we have a medical antiseptic called Dettol.  That works a treat on plastic, again soaked for an hour or two and paint comes away very easily. There are newer versions of Dettol for use as cleaners but the original medical antiseptic one is the one to go for if available in the States... Chris   From: HOwingsiii@... Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint     Thanks Ray -----Original Message----- From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 7:37 am Subject: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint   I am not sure if it was here or another train site somebody recommended a product that I picked up at Home Depot. It is Industrial Purple Cleaner and Degreaser.  I tried it and was very much satisfied with the results and no obnoxious odor. I put enough in a plastic drywall trough to submerge the shell and let it soak for a couple of hours and the paint came off very easily, I used a tooth brush to get into the crevices but this is not a labor intensive project. It worked well on both American Flyer and American Models products and I was able to do a number of shells, six to eight, before having to dispose of it. Works great. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74037	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint

Chris,     I have only now checked and find that Dettol is available from Amazon.com. It sells for about $25.00 US for a bottle that looks to be about 1 liter (litre for you Brits) or $14.07 US for a 750ml bottle. It appears to be a yellowish liquid.                                                                          Bob                                                                     in Kalispell   From: cforster@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:48:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint   Over here in the UK we have a medical antiseptic called Dettol.  That works a treat on plastic, again soaked for an hour or two and paint comes away very easily. There are newer versions of Dettol for use as cleaners but the original medical antiseptic one is the one to go for if available in the States... Chris   From: HOwingsiii@... Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint     Thanks Ray -----Original Message----- From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 7:37 am Subject: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint   I am not sure if it was here or another train site somebody recommended a product that I picked up at Home Depot. It is Industrial Purple Cleaner and Degreaser.  I tried it and was very much satisfied with the results and no obnoxious odor. I put enough in a plastic drywall trough to submerge the shell and let it soak for a couple of hours and the paint came off very easily, I used a tooth brush to get into the crevices but this is not a labor intensive project. It worked well on both American Flyer and American Models products and I was able to do a number of shells, six to eight, before having to dispose of it. Works great. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74038	From: mike gardner	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: 732,932 metal doors

Hi all, first I wish Thorin only the best in his fight against his cancer. As someone stated, new cures are found every day and I hope that one is found for him. My question is there any reproduction metal doors for the 732 and 932 operating baggage cars? I Thank all who answer! Thanks Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74039	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint

You can get Dettol on Ebay. LBR On Monday, January 20, 2014 2:53 PM, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:   Thanks Chris,    I've never heard of Dettol but will check it out. Quite possibly there is something here in the states that is virtually the same but has a different name.                                                                                         Bob                                                                                  in Kalispell   From: cforster@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:48:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint   Over here in the UK we have a medical antiseptic called Dettol.  That works a treat on plastic, again soaked for an hour or two and paint comes away very easily. There are newer versions of Dettol for use as cleaners but the original medical antiseptic one is the one to go for if available in the States... Chris   From: HOwingsiii@... Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint     Thanks Ray -----Original Message----- From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 7:37 am Subject: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint   I am not sure if it was here or another train site somebody recommended a product that I picked up at Home Depot. It is Industrial Purple Cleaner and Degreaser.  I tried it and was very much satisfied with the results and no obnoxious odor. I put enough in a plastic drywall trough to submerge the shell and let it soak for a couple of hours and the paint came off very easily, I used a tooth brush to get into the crevices but this is not a labor intensive project. It worked well on both American Flyer and American Models products and I was able to do a number of shells, six to eight, before having to dispose of it. Works great. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74040	From: Chris	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: removing paint

Yes it is the yellowish one.....must be imported since quite reasonable here, and in any supermarket or chemist (pharmacy)  Probably not worth $25!   Around £3 here for 750 ml From: Robert Lampe Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint     Chris,     I have only now checked and find that Dettol is available from Amazon.com. It sells for about $25.00 US for a bottle that looks to be about 1 liter (litre for you Brits) or $14.07 US for a 750ml bottle. It appears to be a yellowish liquid.                                                                          Bob                                                                     in Kalispell   From: cforster@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:48:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint   Over here in the UK we have a medical antiseptic called Dettol.  That works a treat on plastic, again soaked for an hour or two and paint comes away very easily. There are newer versions of Dettol for use as cleaners but the original medical antiseptic one is the one to go for if available in the States... Chris   From: HOwingsiii@... Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint     Thanks Ray here for -----Original Message----- From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 7:37 am Subject: [S-Trains] RE: removing paint   I am not sure if it was here or another train site somebody recommended a product that I picked up at Home Depot. It is Industrial Purple Cleaner and Degreaser.  I tried it and was very much satisfied with the results and no obnoxious odor. I put enough in a plastic drywall trough to submerge the shell and let it soak for a couple of hours and the paint came off very easily, I used a tooth brush to get into the crevices but this is not a labor intensive project. It worked well on both American Flyer and American Models products and I was able to do a number of shells, six to eight, before having to dispose of it. Works great. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74041	From: mikenguy9	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers

Have you tried WD-40?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74042	From: trndad	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70

I don't have one of these engines, but I did see a video this weekend on the Lionel website about them.  It might prove helpful.  The link is http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ProductInstructionalVideos/video.cfm?documentID=6560 and it is called "A/F LEGACY SD70ACE Product Video 2/13".    Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74043	From: rick gough	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

I am of the impression that they are dealing with water based Latex paint, not acrylic or lacquer. If so I see that Mostenbocker Lift Off 5 is a product that gets great reviews and even cleans vinyl flooring without damage. Just saying because I know Latex is pretty different to deal with than other types of paint and these other remedies might not be affective.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Removing paint   Thank you Bob -----Original Message----- From: danceswithwolves49 <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:08 pm Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Removing paint   Harwood,      That subject comes up every now and again and the choice is up to you. Years ago I used isopropyl alcohol available in any pharmacy. It works but it's a lot of work. Next came brake fluid....the old stuff you'd use in your 57 Chevy it's DOT 3 I think. The newer stuff  is not supposed to harm paint so use the old stuff. Next I used ordinary full strength Pine-sol. I never had any problems with it on American Models hoppers,bay window caboose and smooth side passenger cars. I have since been told that Pine-sol will damage the plastic. As it would seen your best bet would be one of the commercial paint removers manufactured by a hobby paint manufacturer. Check with your local hobby retailer or online with Walthers.          Bob          in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74044	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

Rick,   Understood. There must be an all purpose paint remover someplace. Plain water is no good for latex or acrylic unless it is still wet. Brake fluid will remove any type paint yet will not harm the plastic but it will cause skin irritation so use rubber gloves when using that stuff, in fact use rubber gloves when using ANY paint remover. You never know how it will react on your skin.                                                                                                                                              Bob                                                                                                                                    in Kalispell From: racin510@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:18:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Removing paint   I am of the impression that they are dealing with water based Latex paint, not acrylic or lacquer. If so I see that Mostenbocker Lift Off 5 is a product that gets great reviews and even cleans vinyl flooring without damage. Just saying because I know Latex is pretty different to deal with than other types of paint and these other remedies might not be affective.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Removing paint   Thank you Bob -----Original Message----- From: danceswithwolves49 <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:08 pm Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Removing paint   Harwood,      That subject comes up every now and again and the choice is up to you. Years ago I used isopropyl alcohol available in any pharmacy. It works but it's a lot of work. Next came brake fluid....the old stuff you'd use in your 57 Chevy it's DOT 3 I think. The newer stuff  is not supposed to harm paint so use the old stuff. Next I used ordinary full strength Pine-sol. I never had any problems with it on American Models hoppers,bay window caboose and smooth side passenger cars. I have since been told that Pine-sol will damage the plastic. As it would seen your best bet would be one of the commercial paint removers manufactured by a hobby paint manufacturer. Check with your local hobby retailer or online with Walthers.          Bob          in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74045	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: 732,932 metal doors

<<<. My question is there any reproduction metal doors for the 732 and 932 operating baggage cars? I Thank all who answer! Thanks Mike Gardner >>>   Yes…..both red and green……...listed in our website AF PARTS catalog, under PASSENGER CARS.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74046	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/20/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale GP38-2 for sale

hi On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:51 PM, "danceswithwolves49@..." <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:   I would like to purchase two GP38-2 locomotives. I need ones with standard dynamics and short fuel tanks and with anti-climbers. If any one has one or even both locomotives and would be willing to work with me on means of payment I would greatly appreciate it. I am on VA disability and retirement. Thank you.  Bob    in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74047	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale GP38-2 for sale

Hi Mike,     What ya got and how much you asking?                                                                    Bob From: mikenguy9@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:10:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Scale GP38-2 for sale   hi On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:51 PM, "danceswithwolves49@..." <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:   I would like to purchase two GP38-2 locomotives. I need ones with standard dynamics and short fuel tanks and with anti-climbers. If any one has one or even both locomotives and would be willing to work with me on means of payment I would greatly appreciate it. I am on VA disability and retirement. Thank you.  Bob    in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74048	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer SD 70

Charles Ro Train Supply of Malden, MA has both the SD70 and ESS44 by Lionel in stock. On Saturday, 1/18/14 I watched the salesmen take less than one minute to get both Legacy units to operate under NCE DCC.   Gorgeous trains! A marvel to watch in operation.       In a message dated 1/20/2014 5:22:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, trndad@... writes:   I don't have one of these engines, but I did see a video this weekend on the Lionel website about them.  It might prove helpful.  The link is http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ProductInstructionalVideos/video.cfm?documentID=6560 and it is called "A/F LEGACY SD70ACE Product Video 2/13".    Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74049	From: mike gardner	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: 732,932 metal doors

Thank you very much for your answer! Mike Gardner On Monday, January 20, 2014 6:05 PM, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:   <<<. My question is there any reproduction metal doors for the 732 and 932 operating baggage cars? I Thank all who answer! Thanks Mike Gardner >>>   Yes…..both red and green……...listed in our website AF PARTS catalog, under PASSENGER CARS.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74050	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers

What is the question?  Probably Yahoo is doing its thing again.  This post came through, but not the original one.   That is why it is nice when people don't snip off the original question.   At least you can make some sense of it then.   I don't think leaving in the original post makes much difference in terms of speed of delivery, even on dial up.  That's my two cents worth. Dale On 1/20/2014 1:16 PM, mikenguy9@... wrote:   Have you tried WD-40?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74051	From: srjaynes	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer knuckle couplers

I prefer Liquid Wrench's aerosol lubricant with teflon.  It's hard to find and it's not on their web site.  My local ACE hardware still carries it.  It helps to free rusted items and leaves a nice PTFE lubricant film after it evaporates.  Careful with all areosol lubricants.  They can be unfriendly to paint and decals. As for totally removing the rust, most rust removers are note at all friendly to the black/blue treatment Gilbert used for the steel stampings including truck frames and stamped steel car bottom frames.   Another word to caution.  Try any untested product on your least valuable or precious project first! Steve J. Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74052	From: traindavid	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

Hi all, Major disagreement here!! Dot 3 Brake fluid will damage plastic!! Sometimes the effects are not seen immediately. Many of the earlier ACG plastics are easily effected by it, because plastic does have "pores" and the fluid seeps into them, to wrack havoc later--sometimes as quickly as when you try to put paint on the car. Cleaning does not get it out of the pores either. I strongly recommend not using it! Posted by: "Robert Lampe" ". . . Brake fluid will remove any type paint yet will not harm the plastic . . . "

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74053	From: Dave	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

The brake fluid reservoir on my truck is plastic, so some plastics at least are impervious to the fluid. Rubber on the other hand, will swell up double in size.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of djdewey@... Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:42 PM To: S-Trains Yahoo Group Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     Hi all, Major disagreement here!! Dot 3 Brake fluid will damage plastic!! Sometimes the effects are not seen immediately. Many of the earlier ACG plastics are easily effected by it, because plastic does have "pores" and the fluid seeps into them, to wrack havoc later--sometimes as quickly as when you try to put paint on the car. Cleaning does not get it out of the pores either. I strongly recommend not using it! Posted by: "Robert Lampe" ". . . Brake fluid will remove any type paint yet will not harm the plastic . . . "

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74054	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

I know what you mean but get this one. On standard drum brakes the wheel cylinders have rubber pistons in them and the seals/boots on the ends of the cylinders are also rubber so apparently some rubber is also impervious to brake fluid. This I know cause I've done a lot of brake jobs in my time for myself and other folks.                          Bob                   in Kalispell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: davidwin@... Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:32:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint   The brake fluid reservoir on my truck is plastic, so some plastics at least are impervious to the fluid. Rubber on the other hand, will swell up double in size.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djdewey@... Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:42 PM To: S-Trains Yahoo Group Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     Hi all, Major disagreement here!! Dot 3 Brake fluid will damage plastic!! Sometimes the effects are not seen immediately. Many of the earlier ACG plastics are easily effected by it, because plastic does have "pores" and the fluid seeps into them, to wrack havoc later--sometimes as quickly as when you try to put paint on the car. Cleaning does not get it out of the pores either. I strongly recommend not using it! Posted by: "Robert Lampe" ". . . Brake fluid will remove any type paint yet will not harm the plastic . . . "

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74055	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

Guess I was wrong again....as usual. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: djdewey@... Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:41:47 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint   Hi all, Major disagreement here!! Dot 3 Brake fluid will damage plastic!! Sometimes the effects are not seen immediately. Many of the earlier ACG plastics are easily effected by it, because plastic does have "pores" and the fluid seeps into them, to wrack havoc later--sometimes as quickly as when you try to put paint on the car. Cleaning does not get it out of the pores either. I strongly recommend not using it! Posted by: "Robert Lampe" ". . . Brake fluid will remove any type paint yet will not harm the plastic . . . "

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74056	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

Oh for goodness sake – there are many different kinds of rubbers, plastics, paints, solvents, metals, chemicals, atoms, subatomic particles, what-have-you … the list goes on and on.  And like people, some are compatible with each other and some or not.  The “take-home lesson” here is to check compatibility between materials or risk the consequences of any incompatibility.   Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lampe Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:18 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     I know what you mean but get this one. On standard drum brakes the wheel cylinders have rubber pistons in them and the seals/boots on the ends of the cylinders are also rubber so apparently some rubber is also impervious to brake fluid. This I know cause I've done a lot of brake jobs in my time for myself and other folks.                          Bob                   in Kalispell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: davidwin@... Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:32:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     The brake fluid reservoir on my truck is plastic, so some plastics at least are impervious to the fluid. Rubber on the other hand, will swell up double in size.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djdewey@... Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:42 PM To: S-Trains Yahoo Group Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     Hi all, Major disagreement here!! Dot 3 Brake fluid will damage plastic!! Sometimes the effects are not seen immediately. Many of the earlier ACG plastics are easily effected by it, because plastic does have "pores" and the fluid seeps into them, to wrack havoc later--sometimes as quickly as when you try to put paint on the car. Cleaning does not get it out of the pores either. I strongly recommend not using it! Posted by: "Robert Lampe" ". . . Brake fluid will remove any type paint yet will not harm the plastic . . . "

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74057	From: calleytwo	Date: 1/21/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

Re the so called rubber in brake parts. they are not rubber - rubber would last only a few weeks with brake fluid. They are neoprene, a synthetic rubber substitute. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:03:57 -0800 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint   Oh for goodness sake – there are many different kinds of rubbers, plastics, paints, solvents, metals, chemicals, atoms, subatomic particles, what-have-you … the list goes on and on.  And like people, some are compatible with each other and some or not.  The “take-home lesson” here is to check compatibility between materials or risk the consequences of any incompatibility.   Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lampe Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:18 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     I know what you mean but get this one. On standard drum brakes the wheel cylinders have rubber pistons in them and the seals/boots on the ends of the cylinders are also rubber so apparently some rubber is also impervious to brake fluid. This I know cause I've done a lot of brake jobs in my time for myself and other folks.                          Bob                   in Kalispell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: davidwin@... Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:32:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     The brake fluid reservoir on my truck is plastic, so some plastics at least are impervious to the fluid. Rubber on the other hand, will swell up double in size.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djdewey@... Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:42 PM To: S-Trains Yahoo Group Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     Hi all, Major disagreement here!! Dot 3 Brake fluid will damage plastic!! Sometimes the effects are not seen immediately. Many of the earlier ACG plastics are easily effected by it, because plastic does have "pores" and the fluid seeps into them, to wrack havoc later--sometimes as quickly as when you try to put paint on the car. Cleaning does not get it out of the pores either. I strongly recommend not using it! Posted by: "Robert Lampe" ". . . Brake fluid will remove any type paint yet will not harm the plastic . . . "   ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74058	From: Dave	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

Forgot all about that, you are as right as rain. And those boots, try leaving one of those in a jar of brake fluid overnight!      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Robert Lampe Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:18 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     I know what you mean but get this one. On standard drum brakes the wheel cylinders have rubber pistons in them and the seals/boots on the ends of the cylinders are also rubber so apparently some rubber is also impervious to brake fluid. This I know cause I've done a lot of brake jobs in my time for myself and other folks.                          Bob                   in Kalispell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: davidwin@... Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:32:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     The brake fluid reservoir on my truck is plastic, so some plastics at least are impervious to the fluid. Rubber on the other hand, will swell up double in size.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of djdewey@... Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:42 PM To: S-Trains Yahoo Group Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     Hi all, Major disagreement here!! Dot 3 Brake fluid will damage plastic!! Sometimes the effects are not seen immediately. Many of the earlier ACG plastics are easily effected by it, because plastic does have "pores" and the fluid seeps into them, to wrack havoc later--sometimes as quickly as when you try to put paint on the car. Cleaning does not get it out of the pores either. I strongly recommend not using it! Posted by: "Robert Lampe" ". . . Brake fluid will remove any type paint yet will not harm the plastic . . . "

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74059	From: traindavid	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint & couplers

Hi all, maybe I sounded to strident when I stated that "I strongly disagree" -- I did not meant to put anyone down, just wanted everyone to know that there are consequences in using certain chemicals around our old beloved trains. Yes, modern brake fluid reservoirs are made of plastics--but a very different plastic than what ACG used--even early ACG plastics are different from later ones (around 1952). ACG was on the 'cutting edge' of the technology, and mistakes were made (steam loco driver insulators, for instance). The white deposit seen on many ACG wheels, link couplers, etc. is the steric soap used as a mold release agent, and it is now leaching out of the plastic (remember the pores?), just as brake fluid will leach into the plastic. As for Dot 3 swelling rubber, yes, it will! Especially rubber parts made for DOT 4 (Girling) fluid, which is typical for English sports cars pre 1970s or so. I once bought a Nash Metropolitan cheap because the owner couldn't figure out the brakes. New cups, seals and new DOT 4 fluid, and no more problems! But now we are far afield from Toy Trains! BTW, I learned the hard way that even mild hand soap can strip ACG red paint in a hurry! The car was very nice, just very dirty. Now it's a stripper, and I can't show it to a G rated crowd. As for WD-40 and couplers, I have used it on them, but then I clean them off completely, as it attracts dirt, etc.--and it is NOT a lubricant (in spite of its common usage as one). The couplers were designed to work dry; a lubricant that leaves a dry film is fine, but be careful of anything containing silicone. Silicone not only makes painting anything it's on almost impossible (causes the paint to "fish eye" leaving craters on the finish), but it also acts as a stress-relief agent--this is what causes plastic piano keys to crack, and encourages padded dashes to crack. Remember Armor-All? Lots of silicone, and after treating your dash, and some sun exposure, crack city! The stress relieving nature causes the molding stress points to become concentrated, leading to the cracking. The stress comes from the plastic flowing through the mold and cooling during manufacture. OK, now ducking behind an oversized track bumper! Fire away! :) David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74060	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint & couplers

I was speaking from my own experiences in using brake fluid and Pine-sol. And in addition isopropyl alcohol. When I was in HO often times I would need to remove the paint from an Athearn locomotive. What I used in those early days......the 70's......was isopropyl alcohol. It removed the paint ok but oh man what a job. Then I discovered Rivarossi models and brake fluid. After immersing a model in brake fluid for a time the paint literally fell off. Use of an old toothbrush and wooden toothpicks took care of that paint in any crevices. Then in the 80's I became reacquainted with S in the form of American Models. I wanted to repaint some into "my" railroads and read in Model Railroader that ordinary household Pine-sol would remove paint from models and was not as harsh as brake fluid. I tried it and sure enough it was like using the brake fluid. The paint just slid right off. I might add that in the usage of any of my paint removal methods I NEVER had a problem of any sort. Washing the body shell in warm soapy water and letting them air dry worked great. Just remember....after washing them DO NOT TOUCH THEM WITH YOUR BARE HANDS AGAIN. The oil in your skin will cause the paint to not adhere to the model and there you are all that work down the tube. I have a great doctor at the VA......she prescribes  those latex rubber exam gloves for me which I use to apply a skin lotion and since I have a goodly supply left over they somehow find their way into my hobby tool box lol. Even still you can buy them fairly inexpensively at most any pharmacy. In fact if you have sensitive skin as I do (caused from exposure to Agent Orange) I would strongly advise wearing some kind of rubber gloves. Even if you do not have sensitive skin it is a good idea to wear rubber gloves. The type for washing dishes would be the best to use.                                                                                                                                 Bob                                                                                                                         in Kalispell   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: djdewey@... Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:24:31 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint & couplers   Hi all, maybe I sounded to strident when I stated that "I strongly disagree" -- I did not meant to put anyone down, just wanted everyone to know that there are consequences in using certain chemicals around our old beloved trains. Yes, modern brake fluid reservoirs are made of plastics--but a very different plastic than what ACG used--even early ACG plastics are different from later ones (around 1952). ACG was on the 'cutting edge' of the technology, and mistakes were made (steam loco driver insulators, for instance). The white deposit seen on many ACG wheels, link couplers, etc. is the steric soap used as a mold release agent, and it is now leaching out of the plastic (remember the pores?), just as brake fluid will leach into the plastic. As for Dot 3 swelling rubber, yes, it will! Especially rubber parts made for DOT 4 (Girling) fluid, which is typical for English sports cars pre 1970s or so. I once bought a Nash Metropolitan cheap because the owner couldn't figure out the brakes. New cups, seals and new DOT 4 fluid, and no more problems! But now we are far afield from Toy Trains! BTW, I learned the hard way that even mild hand soap can strip ACG red paint in a hurry! The car was very nice, just very dirty. Now it's a stripper, and I can't show it to a G rated crowd. As for WD-40 and couplers, I have used it on them, but then I clean them off completely, as it attracts dirt, etc.--and it is NOT a lubricant (in spite of its common usage as one). The couplers were designed to work dry; a lubricant that leaves a dry film is fine, but be careful of anything containing silicone. Silicone not only makes painting anything it's on almost impossible (causes the paint to "fish eye" leaving craters on the finish), but it also acts as a stress-relief agent--this is what causes plastic piano keys to crack, and encourages padded dashes to crack. Remember Armor-All? Lots of silicone, and after treating your dash, and some sun exposure, crack city! The stress relieving nature causes the molding stress points to become concentrated, leading to the cracking. The stress comes from the plastic flowing through the mold and cooling during manufacture. OK, now ducking behind an oversized track bumper! Fire away! :) David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74061	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Putt Critter Photos

Hi Folks, I mentioned this topic a week or so ago and thought I would give it one more go. I have a page of photos of small internal combustion switchers. Brother Weidner was kind enough to send me a photo of his copy of the little switcher produced by Putt Trains (I know I miss that outfit and so does Bruce). My page is at: http://wpporter.worthygems.com/HKPorterLocosGallery.php If you have a Putt critter I would like to add your photos to that page. Take some or send me some along with your permission to use it. I don't sell anything there. It is just for the fun of it. Beauty shots, underside, 3/4 views, with or without scenery - all are welcome. It would be good to be able to compare and contrast the Putt product with other scales and producers. Thanks, Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74062	From: Obie Bell	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Re couplers

As far as couplers. If I had one that stuck or was gritty or gummy I would spray it with Color TV tuner cleaner from Radio Shack then work the coupler and spray again (sometimes repeating a few times if necessary) The coupler would come back to life and not be oily or greasy. This is the same stuff I used to clean armatures, reverse units etc.  I was told that the Color version was better as it was safe to use for color TVs as they were more prone to have plastic parts than Black and White televisions. I have no idea if this is true, but Radio Shack did carry both versions. Since everything these days is electronic they might not even carry tuner cleaner anymore. A product called Blue Shower is perfect for these uses, but it seems rather hard to find and I think it is somewhat expensive.  Obie From: danceswithwolves49@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 13:16:04 -0700 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint & couplers   I was speaking from my own experiences in using brake fluid and Pine-sol. And in addition isopropyl alcohol. When I was in HO often times I would need to remove the paint from an Athearn locomotive. What I used in those early days......the 70's......was isopropyl alcohol. It removed the paint ok but oh man what a job. Then I discovered Rivarossi models and brake fluid. After immersing a model in brake fluid for a time the paint literally fell off. Use of an old toothbrush and wooden toothpicks took care of that paint in any crevices. Then in the 80's I became reacquainted with S in the form of American Models. I wanted to repaint some into "my" railroads and read in Model Railroader that ordinary household Pine-sol would remove paint from models and was not as harsh as brake fluid. I tried it and sure enough it was like using the brake fluid. The paint just slid right off. I might add that in the usage of any of my paint removal methods I NEVER had a problem of any sort. Washing the body shell in warm soapy water and letting them air dry worked great. Just remember....after washing them DO NOT TOUCH THEM WITH YOUR BARE HANDS AGAIN. The oil in your skin will cause the paint to not adhere to the model and there you are all that work down the tube. I have a great doctor at the VA......she prescribes  those latex rubber exam gloves for me which I use to apply a skin lotion and since I have a goodly supply left over they somehow find their way into my hobby tool box lol. Even still you can buy them fairly inexpensively at most any pharmacy. In fact if you have sensitive skin as I do (caused from exposure to Agent Orange) I would strongly advise wearing some kind of rubber gloves. Even if you do not have sensitive skin it is a good idea to wear rubber gloves. The type for washing dishes would be the best to use.                                                                                                                                 Bob                                                                                                                         in Kalispell   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: djdewey@... Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:24:31 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint & couplers   Hi all, maybe I sounded to strident when I stated that "I strongly disagree" -- I did not meant to put anyone down, just wanted everyone to know that there are consequences in using certain chemicals around our old beloved trains. Yes, modern brake fluid reservoirs are made of plastics--but a very different plastic than what ACG used--even early ACG plastics are different from later ones (around 1952). ACG was on the 'cutting edge' of the technology, and mistakes were made (steam loco driver insulators, for instance). The white deposit seen on many ACG wheels, link couplers, etc. is the steric soap used as a mold release agent, and it is now leaching out of the plastic (remember the pores?), just as brake fluid will leach into the plastic. As for Dot 3 swelling rubber, yes, it will! Especially rubber parts made for DOT 4 (Girling) fluid, which is typical for English sports cars pre 1970s or so. I once bought a Nash Metropolitan cheap because the owner couldn't figure out the brakes. New cups, seals and new DOT 4 fluid, and no more problems! But now we are far afield from Toy Trains! BTW, I learned the hard way that even mild hand soap can strip ACG red paint in a hurry! The car was very nice, just very dirty. Now it's a stripper, and I can't show it to a G rated crowd. As for WD-40 and couplers, I have used it on them, but then I clean them off completely, as it attracts dirt, etc.--and it is NOT a lubricant (in spite of its common usage as one). The couplers were designed to work dry; a lubricant that leaves a dry film is fine, but be careful of anything containing silicone. Silicone not only makes painting anything it's on almost impossible (causes the paint to "fish eye" leaving craters on the finish), but it also acts as a stress-relief agent--this is what causes plastic piano keys to crack, and encourages padded dashes to crack. Remember Armor-All? Lots of silicone, and after treating your dash, and some sun exposure, crack city! The stress relieving nature causes the molding stress points to become concentrated, leading to the cracking. The stress comes from the plastic flowing through the mold and cooling during manufacture. OK, now ducking behind an oversized track bumper! Fire away! :) David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74063	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: "This is S" NASG Dispatch

NASG had extra copies printed of the "This is S" NASG Dispatch. The issue was designed as a promotional issue showing what some members have done with S products and layouts. The concept was to create a Dispatch annual issue around the This is S concept that could be used through the year to support promotion and education of people outside S on the possibilities. There are still a few hundred copies left of the August 2013 annual issue. NASG Members can request extra copies to be used for shows and other promotional events to help people with serious interest in S understand what can be done. NASG asks that only a few basic guidelines be followed: · Use the issues to help those seriously interested in S understand possibilities dont just set a stack on a table at the local train show · Show them to brick & mortar hobby shops to educate them too · Do not sell them! NASG is making them available for free to NASG Members and absorbing postage and handling costs, we ask you to do the same To that end, we will limit how many issues an organization receives to 24 so as many different groups as possible are able to use these materials. Please email any requests to: Jim Kindraka treasurer@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74064	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint & couplers

Hi Bob,   As a many individuals have allergic reactions to natural latex, I would suggest getting “exam gloves” made of nitrile rubber.  They are only slightly more expensive than latex and are readily available.   Jerry F.    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lampe Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint & couplers     I was speaking from my own experiences in using brake fluid and Pine-sol. And in addition isopropyl alcohol. When I was in HO often times I would need to remove the paint from an Athearn locomotive. What I used in those early days......the 70's......was isopropyl alcohol. It removed the paint ok but oh man what a job. Then I discovered Rivarossi models and brake fluid. After immersing a model in brake fluid for a time the paint literally fell off. Use of an old toothbrush and wooden toothpicks took care of that paint in any crevices. Then in the 80's I became reacquainted with S in the form of American Models. I wanted to repaint some into "my" railroads and read in Model Railroader that ordinary household Pine-sol would remove paint from models and was not as harsh as brake fluid. I tried it and sure enough it was like using the brake fluid. The paint just slid right off. I might add that in the usage of any of my paint removal methods I NEVER had a problem of any sort. Washing the body shell in warm soapy water and letting them air dry worked great. Just remember....after washing them DO NOT TOUCH THEM WITH YOUR BARE HANDS AGAIN. The oil in your skin will cause the paint to not adhere to the model and there you are all that work down the tube. I have a great doctor at the VA......she prescribes  those latex rubber exam gloves for me which I use to apply a skin lotion and since I have a goodly supply left over they somehow find their way into my hobby tool box lol. Even still you can buy them fairly inexpensively at most any pharmacy. In fact if you have sensitive skin as I do (caused from exposure to Agent Orange) I would strongly advise wearing some kind of rubber gloves. Even if you do not have sensitive skin it is a good idea to wear rubber gloves. The type for washing dishes would be the best to use.              &! nbsp;                                                                                                                  Bob                                                                                                                         in Kalispell   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: djdewey@... Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:24:31 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint & couplers   Hi all, maybe I sounded to strident when I stated that "I strongly disagree" -- I did not meant to put anyone down, just wanted everyone to know that there are consequences in using certain chemicals around our old beloved trains. Yes, modern brake fluid reservoirs are made of plastics--but a very different plastic than what ACG used--even early ACG plastics are different from later ones (around 1952). ACG was on the 'cutting edge' of the technology, and mistakes were made (steam loco driver insulators, for instance). The white deposit seen on many ACG wheels, link couplers, etc. is the steric soap used as a mold release agent, and it is now leaching out of the plastic (remember the pores?), just as brake fluid will leach into the plastic. As for Dot 3 swelling rubber, yes, it will! Especially rubber parts made for DOT 4 (Girling) fluid, which is typical for English sports cars pre 1970s or so. I once bought a Nash Metropolitan cheap because the owner couldn't figure out the brakes. New cups, seals and new DOT 4 fluid, and no more problems! But now we are far afield from Toy Trains! BTW, I learned the hard way that even mild hand soap can strip ACG red paint in a hurry! The car was very nice, just very dirty. Now it's a stripper, and I can't show it to a G rated crowd. As for WD-40 and couplers, I have used it on them, but then I clean them off completely, as it attracts dirt, etc.--and it is NOT a lubricant (in spite of its common usage as one). The couplers were designed to work dry; a lubricant that leaves a dry film is fine, but be careful of anything containing silicone. Silicone not only makes painting anything it's on almost impossible (causes the paint to "fish eye" leaving craters on the finish), but it also acts as a stress-relief agent--this is what causes plastic piano keys to crack, and encourages padded dashes to crack. Remember Armor-All? Lots of silicone, and after treating your dash, and some sun exposure, crack city! The stress relieving nature causes the molding stress points to become concentrated, leading to the cracking. The stress comes from the plastic flowing through the mold and cooling during manufacture. OK, now ducking behind an oversized track bumper! Fire away! :) David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74065	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint

Hello out there I use Scalecoat II.I have used it to remove out paint from circus cages for American Flyer.And it has done a great job with no damage to the plastic. Mark -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/22/14, Dave <davidwin@...> wrote: Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 1:35 PM   Forgot all about that, you are as right as rain. And those boots, try leaving one of those in a jar of brake fluid overnight!      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Robert Lampe Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:18 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     I know what you mean but get this one. On standard drum brakes the wheel cylinders have rubber pistons in them and the seals/boots on the ends of the cylinders are also rubber so apparently some rubber is also impervious to brake fluid. This I know cause I've done a lot of brake jobs in my time for myself and other folks.                          Bob                   in Kalispell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: davidwin@... Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:32:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     The brake fluid reservoir on my truck is plastic, so some plastics at least are impervious to the fluid. Rubber on the other hand, will swell up double in size.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of djdewey@... Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:42 PM To: S-Trains Yahoo Group Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint     Hi all, Major disagreement here!! Dot 3 Brake fluid will damage plastic!! Sometimes the effects are not seen immediately. Many of the earlier ACG plastics are easily effected by it, because plastic does have "pores" and the fluid seeps into them, to wrack havoc later--sometimes as quickly as when you try to put paint on the car. Cleaning does not get it out of the pores either. I strongly recommend not using it! Posted by: "Robert Lampe" ". . . Brake fluid will remove any type paint yet will not harm the plastic . . . "

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74066	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Re couplers

You have to be careful with TV tuner cleaner too. I bought a can of it one time cause it said it would also clean stereo controls etc I sprayed it on my volume control and it never moved again. Luckily I had the control in the midway point. I just could not turn the volume up or down but it was not too loud so I lived with it. What I do if a kadee gets sticky is disassemble it and burnish it a bit then reassemble and add a bit of powdered graphite. Works 99.9% of the time.                                                                                                                                              Bob                                                                                                                                    in Kalispell To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com From: bellokdaka@... Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:04:16 -0600 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re couplers   As far as couplers. If I had one that stuck or was gritty or gummy I would spray it with Color TV tuner cleaner from Radio Shack then work the coupler and spray again (sometimes repeating a few times if necessary) The coupler would come back to life and not be oily or greasy. This is the same stuff I used to clean armatures, reverse units etc.  I was told that the Color version was better as it was safe to use for color TVs as they were more prone to have plastic parts than Black and White televisions. I have no idea if this is true, but Radio Shack did carry both versions. Since everything these days is electronic they might not even carry tuner cleaner anymore. A product called Blue Shower is perfect for these uses, but it seems rather hard to find and I think it is somewhat expensive.  Obie From: danceswithwolves49@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 13:16:04 -0700 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint & couplers   I was speaking from my own experiences in using brake fluid and Pine-sol. And in addition isopropyl alcohol. When I was in HO often times I would need to remove the paint from an Athearn locomotive. What I used in those early days......the 70's......was isopropyl alcohol. It removed the paint ok but oh man what a job. Then I discovered Rivarossi models and brake fluid. After immersing a model in brake fluid for a time the paint literally fell off. Use of an old toothbrush and wooden toothpicks took care of that paint in any crevices. Then in the 80's I became reacquainted with S in the form of American Models. I wanted to repaint some into "my" railroads and read in Model Railroader that ordinary household Pine-sol would remove paint from models and was not as harsh as brake fluid. I tried it and sure enough it was like using the brake fluid. The paint just slid right off. I might add that in the usage of any of my paint removal methods I NEVER had a problem of any sort. Washing the body shell in warm soapy water and letting them air dry worked great. Just remember....after washing them DO NOT TOUCH THEM WITH YOUR BARE HANDS AGAIN. The oil in your skin will cause the paint to not adhere to the model and there you are all that work down the tube. I have a great doctor at the VA......she prescribes  those latex rubber exam gloves for me which I use to apply a skin lotion and since I have a goodly supply left over they somehow find their way into my hobby tool box lol. Even still you can buy them fairly inexpensively at most any pharmacy. In fact if you have sensitive skin as I do (caused from exposure to Agent Orange) I would strongly advise wearing some kind of rubber gloves. Even if you do not have sensitive skin it is a good idea to wear rubber gloves. The type for washing dishes would be the best to use.                                                                                                                                 Bob                                                                                                                         in Kalispell   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: djdewey@... Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:24:31 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Removing paint & couplers   Hi all, maybe I sounded to strident when I stated that "I strongly disagree" -- I did not meant to put anyone down, just wanted everyone to know that there are consequences in using certain chemicals around our old beloved trains. Yes, modern brake fluid reservoirs are made of plastics--but a very different plastic than what ACG used--even early ACG plastics are different from later ones (around 1952). ACG was on the 'cutting edge' of the technology, and mistakes were made (steam loco driver insulators, for instance). The white deposit seen on many ACG wheels, link couplers, etc. is the steric soap used as a mold release agent, and it is now leaching out of the plastic (remember the pores?), just as brake fluid will leach into the plastic. As for Dot 3 swelling rubber, yes, it will! Especially rubber parts made for DOT 4 (Girling) fluid, which is typical for English sports cars pre 1970s or so. I once bought a Nash Metropolitan cheap because the owner couldn't figure out the brakes. New cups, seals and new DOT 4 fluid, and no more problems! But now we are far afield from Toy Trains! BTW, I learned the hard way that even mild hand soap can strip ACG red paint in a hurry! The car was very nice, just very dirty. Now it's a stripper, and I can't show it to a G rated crowd. As for WD-40 and couplers, I have used it on them, but then I clean them off completely, as it attracts dirt, etc.--and it is NOT a lubricant (in spite of its common usage as one). The couplers were designed to work dry; a lubricant that leaves a dry film is fine, but be careful of anything containing silicone. Silicone not only makes painting anything it's on almost impossible (causes the paint to "fish eye" leaving craters on the finish), but it also acts as a stress-relief agent--this is what causes plastic piano keys to crack, and encourages padded dashes to crack. Remember Armor-All? Lots of silicone, and after treating your dash, and some sun exposure, crack city! The stress relieving nature causes the molding stress points to become concentrated, leading to the cracking. The stress comes from the plastic flowing through the mold and cooling during manufacture. OK, now ducking behind an oversized track bumper! Fire away! :) David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74068	From: poniaj	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos

Attachments : Putt Trolley.jpg Let's see if this works.  Putt trolly in DSR colors Jerry

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74069	From: poniaj	Date: 1/22/2014
Subject: Re: Removing paint & couplers

Let me second David's suggestion of using Pine-Sol to strip paint. I once visited American Models, and they were stripping a whole garbage can full of locomotive shells to prep them for repainting.  I have used the same method, and it WORKS. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74070	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos

I would be delighted. I have a couple of those trolleys, too. Different paint, of course. I had them running at an S-Spree a couple of years ago. wpporter@... DSR, I remember it well since I grew up in Dearborn. Thanks! Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/22/2014 9:54 PM, poniaj@... wrote: Bill, I don't have a Putt critter, but I painted one of his trolleys in official Detroit Street Railways colors.  I would like to post a photo or send you one, but don't know if it will be allowed here, or have your email. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74071	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos [1 Attachment]

Perfect! I will let you know when I have an updated page. Thanks Again, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/22/2014 10:03 PM, poniaj@... wrote: Let's see if this works.  Putt trolly in DSR colors Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74072	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE Jan. 23

I'm really going far afield this week on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com with a look into a whole different type of scratch building, yet one which requires imagination and skill.  Strangely, it started with reading H.G. Wells' "War of the Worlds" many years ago!  That's today at STUMPY'S MACHINE. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74073	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Re couplers

On 1/22/2014 3:25 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > *You have to be careful with TV tuner cleaner too. I bought a can of it > one time cause it said it would also clean stereo controls etc I sprayed > it on my volume control and it never moved again. I have never had that problem with TV control cleaner but you may have gotten an off brand. The stuff I buy comes from a local electronics store and is available with or without silicone. WD-40 works well for controls and just about anything else. I was once told by a local AF collector that he uses it to clean plastics with no harm. I restore old drive-in speakers and often clean the controls with WD-40 as it is cheap and readily available. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74074	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Removing paint - Thanks to Everyone Who Responded

Yes Rick,  It's Laytex paint.   Thanks -----Original Message----- From: rick gough <racin510@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2014 5:23 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Removing paint   I am of the impression that they are dealing with water based Latex paint, not acrylic or lacquer. If so I see that Mostenbocker Lift Off 5 is a product that gets great reviews and even cleans vinyl flooring without damage. Just saying because I know Latex is pretty different to deal with than other types of paint and these other remedies might not be affective.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Removing paint   Thank you Bob -----Original Message----- From: danceswithwolves49 <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:08 pm Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Removing paint   Harwood,      That subject comes up every now and again and the choice is up to you. Years ago I used isopropyl alcohol available in any pharmacy. It works but it's a lot of work. Next came brake fluid....the old stuff you'd use in your 57 Chevy it's DOT 3 I think. The newer stuff  is not supposed to harm paint so use the old stuff. Next I used ordinary full strength Pine-sol. I never had any problems with it on American Models hoppers,bay window caboose and smooth side passenger cars. I have since been told that Pine-sol will damage the plastic. As it would seen your best bet would be one of the commercial paint removers manufactured by a hobby paint manufacturer. Check with your local hobby retailer or online with Walthers.          Bob          in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74075	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Fluorescent light bulbs

I recall some time ago the recommendation that we not use the new fluorescent light bulbs in our train rooms because they affect the color of our equipment. Out of curiosity, does it affect painted cars, or unpainted plastic, or both? My train room has ceiling fixtures with bulbs inside frosted globes. Do they eliminate the problem? Because of the post on this list, I bought a case of incandescent bulbs and have been using those in my train room. Our train club is in a shopping center storefront with the standard long tube fluorescent bulbs inside ceiling fixtures with plastic cover panels. Are they doing damage to the club's equipment? Am I correct in presuming that the new LED bulbs do not have this problem? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74076	From: trndad	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos

Bill:   I have one of those little diesels.  It is decorated for the PRR and has the number 61100 on the side.  I had intended to buy one and a trolley as well from Putt but never seemed to have the funds.  Then when I was finally ready they apparently had gone out of business (anyone know what happened?).  I picked mine up off eBay for $55 with free shipping.  It is a great runner and has an electronic reverse unit in it.  Quite a feat for such a tiny thing. The mount for the front coupler is broken but otherwise it is mint.  I'll try to get some pictures of it posted in the next few days. Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74077	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Magnetic crane parts.

Does anyone have or know where to get a brush bracket for the magnetic crane motor? Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74078	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West May 16-18, 2014

Here is the preview information of the show. Mark your calendars now. Their website is listed below. Contact Don Matthies, President at NorCalTT@... for more information. Flyer Fest West May 16-18, 2014. Hospitality get together on Friday night. Swap meet, clinics, a running layout and banquet on Sat the 17th at The Elk's lodge, 233 West 20th Avenue, San Mateo, Calif., (20 Minutes south of San Francisco) and layout tours on Sunday the 18th. More information will be posted as it becomes available. http://www.ggafc.org/index.html Ed Eckert moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74079	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos

Thanks Dean, I spoke with Terry Putt about 3 years ago at the Spring S-Spree near Cleveland. That conversation had slipped my mind and I was reminded of it in this thread. He is a very nice guy and runs his own business. The S-Scale stuff was not bringing in enough revenue at the time for him to keep on with production. He likes the business, but, must live with his reality. It was recently mentioned that he also owns the Rex tooling. So, my hope is he will return to the business before too long and run some batches of, well, everything! If he does, I plan to mortgage what I must and buy a few. I look forward to seeing your photos. When you post them, will it be OK for me to make copies and add them to the Critter Gallery on my site? Thanks, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/23/2014 11:23 AM, trndad@... wrote: Bill: I have one of those little diesels.�� It is decorated for the PRR and has the number 61100 on the side.�� I had intended to buy one and a trolley as well from Putt but never seemed to have the funds.�� Then when I was finally ready they apparently had gone out of business (anyone know what happened?).�� I picked mine up off eBay for $55 with free shipping.�� It is a great runner and has an electronic reverse unit in it.�� Quite a feat for such a tiny thing. The mount for the front coupler is broken but otherwise it is mint.�� I'll try to get some pictures of it posted in the next few days. Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74080	From: trndad	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Putt Critter Photos

Bill, absolutely.   Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74081	From: snstrains	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West May 16-18, 2014

So, just a one day trading show again??? Setup Fri. afternoon?? If setup and trading are just Saturday, (with a 4 pm shut down) it's once again not viable for travelers to come to sell or advertise.   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho   In a message dated 1/23/2014 10:24:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, ejenterp@... writes:   Here is the preview information of the show. Mark your calendars now. Their website is listed below. Contact Don Matthies, President at NorCalTT@... for more information. Flyer Fest West May 16-18, 2014. Hospitality get together on Friday night. Swap meet, clinics, a running layout and banquet on Sat the 17th at The Elk's lodge, 233 West 20th Avenue, San Mateo, Calif., (20 Minutes south of San Francisco) and layout tours on Sunday the 18th. More information will be posted as it becomes available. http://www.ggafc.org/index.html Ed Eckert moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74082	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Fw: train set on craig's list

For sale: The beginnings of a very nice AF layout, with rolling stock. See below and contact him direct if you're interested. Tom Hawley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Bashista" <americanmodels@...> To: "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:42 AM Subject: train set on craig's list > Tom, this is what I was talking about Sunday. > Maybe post for me to S gaugers. > > http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/tag/4284328927.html >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74083	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Cow on Track Question

Greetings! When running trains through the insulated track section for the Gilbert Cow on Track, the engines slow down. Should I expect this to happen or should I be looking for a cause? I have exchanged and cleaned the track sections, and double checked the wiring but have not changed the results. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74084	From: David McBrayer	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

Bob, At normal distances, the light from fluorescent tubes won't cause your scenery and rolling stock to fade any more than incandescent bulbs.  If the club has a display in the storefront window, the Sun's ultra-violet light could cause fading.  Regarding your personal layout, the base issue for fluorescent lighting is "color temperature".  So-called "white" fluorescent tubes and Compact Fluorescent Lamps (CFL's) come in three hues: 'daylight', 'cool white' and 'warm white', in addition to their wattage.  The different hues may can cause the paint on a boxcar to appear slightly different from what you are used to.  The effect is not permanent.  Speaking very broadly, 100 watt bulbs have a color similar to 'daylight'; 60 & 75 watt bulbs have a color similar to 'cool white'; 40 watt bulbs have a color similar to 'warm white'.  As in all things, Your Mileage May Vary.  Spot and Flood lamps are a different set of discussions.  LED lamps are available in a variety of hues and wattages that overlap those of fluorescent tubes and CFL's.  Depending on the lighting characteristics of your train room (number of bulbs, bulb wattages and type(s) of fixtures), you could replace the bulbs as they burn out with compact fluorescent lamps.  They will screw into the existing sockets.  If you are using a dimmer to control the brightness of the incandescent bulbs, be sure to get "Dimmable" CFL's or LED's.  Otherwise replace the dimmer with a switch.  If you haven't checked out the variety of lighting products available today, spend an hour or two at your local big box hardware store's lighting department reading labels.  If this is to be your first trip, leave your money at home and just go for the educational opportunity and consider the possibilities.  Cheers, Dave ______________________ David McBrayer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74085	From: racin510	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

What problem? Colors may be visually better with incandescent light but I've never heard of physical damage being done by any type of lighting.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74086	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Re couplers

Yeah and depending on your state laws you can spray it on fishing lures.....if it's legal in your state it works great....made of fish oil.   > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: gwcohn@... > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:10:32 -0700 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re couplers > > On 1/22/2014 3:25 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > *You have to be careful with TV tuner cleaner too. I bought a can of it > > one time cause it said it would also clean stereo controls etc I sprayed > > it on my volume control and it never moved again. > > I have never had that problem with TV control cleaner but you may have > gotten an off brand. > > The stuff I buy comes from a local electronics store and is available > with or without silicone. > > WD-40 works well for controls and just about anything else. I was once > told by a local AF collector that he uses it to clean plastics with no harm. > > I restore old drive-in speakers and often clean the controls with WD-40 > as it is cheap and readily available. > > George Cohn > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com > S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: > http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74087	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Magnetic crane parts.

Hi you might want to try portlines doug peckdoug@... or Tom seccia seccia@... or trains&more@... that’s todd they may have your parts both todd and doug are at train show this weekend just e mail them and they will get back to you good luck stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bowlsalot2@... Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:44 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Magnetic crane parts.     Does anyone have or know where to get a brush bracket for the magnetic crane motor?   Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74088	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

Ultra Violet light can bleach many dyes and pigments. Fluorescent light starts out with a good deal of UV in the tube. The coating inside the tube filters that out and changes most of it into visible light. Bad coating - often found on cheaper bulbs - can be a less effective filter. My skin is very fair - not albino - but, not much pigment under normal conditions. I can recall getting mild sun burn under some fluorescent lights. If its not one thing, its another. I suspect that any bleaching from fluorescent bulbs would take years of constant exposure. Stay away from Gro-Lux or other 'plant-friendly' bulbs and you will most likely be just fine. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 1/23/2014 5:53 PM, racin510@... wrote: What problem? Colors may be visually better with incandescent light but I've never heard of physical damage being done by any type of lighting.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74089	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 1/23/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

The locomotive is supposed to stop!  However if you are using a S-Helper or American Models locomotive they can still run on the reduced voltage going to the insulated section.  Flyer loco's will stop and the reduced voltage prevents the reverse unit from functioning.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74090	From: rick gough	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

What Charlie is refering to is running thru the insulated section while the accessory is NOT energized. I have a similar issue with one of my Talking Stations and would also really like to resolve it if possible. I believe we are meeting much higher track resistance in the insulated section, which should be getting full track power thru the accessory. The resistance must be from current going thru the accessory and back to the insulated track. Any help will be much appreciated.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "keyhole_corona@..." <keyhole_corona@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Cow on Track Question ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=16182848400&tc_rand=1836203046&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=S%2F%2FwjmP7BbQQA9xgZ9%2FgIQJrG9lKJpl00As%2FiukWGu0WkxiJBT%2FnAgfJhFoTnB2Z&key=DhcDzdFURIrulgt7POICilGnx2hnqrB1SfWKQIfQfZ0%3D   The locomotive is supposed to stop!  However if you are using a S-Helper or American Models locomotive they can still run on the reduced voltage going to the insulated section.  Flyer loco's will stop and the reduced voltage prevents the reverse unit from functioning.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74091	From: ee_train	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

As stated all fluorescent lights emit some UV. The amount of damage will be proportional to the length of exposure and the amount of UV. It will affect plastic pigments as well as paint. A collector friend discovered visible differences between the two sides of equipment on shelves after two to three years of exposure in his train room. He replaced the equipment and replaced the lights with quartz halogen.  Compact fluorescents (CFL) are still fluorescent bulbs and will do the same damage. Since the restrictions on incandescent bulbs are now down to 25 watts or less. It would seem that LED lighting would be the best idea since quartz halogen will make a lot of heat and that causes its own problems. I have seen equipment in store windows that is severely faded or color changed after a month of exposure to sun. A 650 was orange in color for example. There is no safe level of UV exposure for trains. The damage will happen. My about to be train room will have LED lighting with multicolor LEDs to enable sunrise and sunset simulation. Wheee! Bill Drake St. Louis icicle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74092	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

I am in the process of beginning a new train room as well.  This is a VERY timely discussion for me, as I had no idea it was even an issue.  I was planning to just go with a tile drop-ceiling and fluorescent panel lighting, perhaps some track lighting on showcases.   I would like to know more about LED lighting (and sunrise/sunset special effects).  Where do I look?   TIA…   Ben Colley Follow the Flag!   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ee_train@... Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 6:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Fluorescent light bulbs     As stated all fluorescent lights emit some UV. The amount of damage will be proportional to the length of exposure and the amount of UV. It will affect plastic pigments as well as paint. A collector friend discovered visible differences between the two sides of equipment on shelves after two to three years of exposure in his train room. He replaced the equipment and replaced the lights with quartz halogen.    Compact fluorescents (CFL) are still fluorescent bulbs and will do the same damage. Since the restrictions on incandescent bulbs are now down to 25 watts or less. It would seem that LED lighting would be the best idea since quartz halogen will make a lot of heat and that causes its own problems.   I have seen equipment in store windows that is severely faded or color changed after a month of exposure to sun. A 650 was orange in color for example.   There is no safe level of UV exposure for trains. The damage will happen.   My about to be train room will have LED lighting with multicolor LEDs to enable sunrise and sunset simulation. Wheee!   Bill Drake St. Louis icicle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74093	From: Murrell & Kathy Johnson	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

I have the same problem with both the Talking Station and Cow on the Tracks, but it happens sporadically.  Most of the time, the trains will go through just fine while other times they will stop even if the accessory is not activated.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74094	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Magnetic crane parts.

Hi Neil,                     I have one. Contact me offsite seccia@...                                                   Tom Seccia                                                    Triple "S" Supplies On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:52 PM, Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> wrote:   Hi you might want to try portlines doug peckdoug@... or Tom seccia seccia@... or trains&more@... that’s todd they may have your parts both todd and doug are at train show this weekend just e mail them and they will get back to you good luck stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bowlsalot2@... Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:44 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Magnetic crane parts.     Does anyone have or know where to get a brush bracket for the magnetic crane motor?   Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74095	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: 732,932 metal doors

Hi Mike,                          I have reproduction doors for the 732. There were no 932 cars. Contact me offsite seccia@...                                                     Tom Seccia                                                         Triple"S" Supplies On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:43 AM, mike gardner <tamerlane_46@...> wrote:   Thank you very much for your answer! Mike Gardner On Monday, January 20, 2014 6:05 PM, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:   <<<. My question is there any reproduction metal doors for the 732 and 932 operating baggage cars? I Thank all who answer! Thanks Mike Gardner >>>   Yes…..both red and green……...listed in our website AF PARTS catalog, under PASSENGER CARS.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74096	From: bruce weidner	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

Hi all,   I do not have a cow on track accessory but always wanted one. Can some one direct me to a wiring diagram of the cow on track? If I understand this accessory right when you push the button the cow is on the track and cuts power to the train? Is it possible to run the accessory from another transformer then the track? Or maybe use a bigger transformer? From: rick gough <racin510@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Cow on Track Question   What Charlie is refering to is running thru the insulated section while the accessory is NOT energized. I have a similar issue with one of my Talking Stations and would also really like to resolve it if possible. I believe we are meeting much higher track resistance in the insulated section, which should be getting full track power thru the accessory. The resistance must be from current going thru the accessory and back to the insulated track. Any help will be much appreciated.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "keyhole_corona@..." <keyhole_corona@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Cow on Track Question ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=16182848! 400&tc_rand=1836203046&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=S%2F%2FwjmP7BbQQA9xgZ9%2FgIQJrG9lKJpl00As%2FiukWGu0WkxiJBT%2FnAgfJhFoTnB2Z&key=DhcDzdFURIrulgt7POICilGnx2hnqrB1SfWKQIfQfZ0%3D   The locomotive is supposed to stop!  However if you are using a S-Helper or American Models locomotive they can still run on the reduced voltage going to the insulated section.  Flyer loco's will stop and the reduced voltage prevents the reverse unit from functioning.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74097	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

The issue is whether the engine has a modern can motor or the old Gilbert universal motor. The newer can motors draw less current and therefore are not stopped by the cow on the track or other accessories with a lockout eliminator. The newer Lionel Flyer engines also use can motors; it's not only S Helper and American Models engines. So the first question is whether are you it is an older Gilbert engine, or a newer motor engine with a can motor, that is slowing down. The second question is whether it is slowing down when the cow is on the track, or slowing down when the cow is not on the track. If either kind of engine slows down when the cow is not on the track, you need to check the contacts under the cow on the track accessory. They are probably dirty and not allowing the full voltage to flow through. If a can motor engine slows down when the cow is on the track, that's normal. The only way to make it actually stop is to cut the wire under the cow on the track so it feeds no power at all to the track when the cow is on the track. The problem, obviously, is that you have to lock all of your engines (both can motors and Gilbert universal motors) in forward-only mode so that they won't reverse when the power comes back on. If a Gilbert engine slows down when the cow is on the track, but does not stop, too much voltage is getting to the insulated section of track. This could be caused by any of several things. The switch under the accessory might not beef properly cutting out. Or perhaps the lockout illuminator resister has been damaged and needs to be replaced. Or perhaps there's another electrical path that is feeding power to that section of track. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:03 PM, <keyhole_corona@...> wrote:   The locomotive is supposed to stop!  However if you are using a S-Helper or American Models locomotive they can still run on the reduced voltage going to the insulated section.  Flyer loco's will stop and the reduced voltage prevents the reverse unit from functioning.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74098	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

My experience is that fluorescent bulbs do emit enough UV that at close exposure the weathering effect is similar to sunlight. I suggest that for sensitive items such as plastics which have no paint a distance of several feet be kept from high output fluorescent lamps. Tony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74099	From: traindavid	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question & lighting

Likely the voltage drop is caused by dirty contacts in the accessory. Most of these contacts were not designed to last this long, so some creative 'fixes' may be necessary, although just cleaning them might do. As for Lighting, all lighting contains some UV, although I'm told that LED lighting is very low in UV. Florescent tubes are one of the largest culprits. If you want to protect your collection, museum supply stores (like Compass, or Metal Edge) sell a UV filter plastic that you slip over the tube. The filtering element does fail over time, so it depends on how long/often you have the lights on. In a museum setting, two years is considered good. I doubt many of us use the layout room as much as a museum is open (7 days, 8 hours a day). IF you doubt this, get a full-colored newspaper and leave it out exposed to the light--leave a similar piece in a drawer. Check them a week later and note the fading on the exposed one. Most Museum Collections people will tell you they would prefer the artifacts remain in a dark room. This, of course is not what the museum visitor wants though, so compromises are made; motion sensing lighting, dim lighting, focused lighting, etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74100	From: richs009	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

There are several accessories that have a resistor in series with the track power when in the "train is supposed to stop" position - semaphore sam, talking station, cow on the track, etc.  These were designed to reduce the voltage to stop the old AC Flyer engines but to provide just enough voltage so that the reversing "E" unit wasn't triggered into neutral or reverse.  As has been noted, some of the post ACG engines can run on much lower voltages so the voltage coming out of that series resistor is still enough to keep the can motor going. At the risk of stating the obvious, one way to check if the accessory is working correctly is to see what the track voltage is with the accessory "on" vs "off" - it should be reduced (but not zero) when the accessory is "on" - which still leaves the problem that the reduced voltage may still be sufficient to run a post ACG engine through that section of track instead of stopping it.  I don't know of any good fixes other than to cut that wire - as someone else noted - if you are running post ACG engines and then use the directional lock for any ACG engines you are also running.  It should be noted that some accessories - like the 761 semaphore - didn't have the resistor circuit, so in the stop position, the track voltage was zero.  This meant that you had to use the ACG engines in the directional lock mode.  I'm not sure whether the post ACG  Flyonel semaphores and block signals cut the track power to zero when in the stop mode or ? - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74101	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

Gilbert sold a device called a "lockout eliminator" that can be used in conjunction with the 761 semaphore, and in several other applications, to prevent the engine from reversing when it stops. It's nothing more than a little box with a resistor inside. Wiring instructions and several possible uses are described on the Lessons Learned pages of my website. Follow the link to my layout, The UpstairsTrain, and then click on Lessons Learned. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jan 24, 2014, at 9:40 AM, <richs009@...> wrote:   There are several accessories that have a resistor in series with the track power when in the "train is supposed to stop" position - semaphore sam, talking station, cow on the track, etc.  These were designed to reduce the voltage to stop the old AC Flyer engines but to provide just enough voltage so that the reversing "E" unit wasn't triggered into neutral or reverse.  As has been noted, some of the post ACG engines can run on much lower voltages so the voltage coming out of that series resistor is still enough to keep the can motor going. At the risk of stating the obvious, one way to check if the accessory is working correctly is to see what the track voltage is with the accessory "on" vs "off" - it should be reduced (but not zero) when the accessory is "on" - which still leaves the problem that the reduced voltage may still be sufficient to run a post ACG engine through that section of track instead of stopping it.  I don't know of any good fixes other than to cut that wire - as someone else noted - if you are running post ACG engines and then use the directional lock for any ACG engines you are also running.  It should be noted that some accessories - like the 761 semaphore - didn't have the resistor circuit, so in the stop position, the track voltage was zero.  This meant that you had to use the ACG engines in the directional lock mode.  I'm not sure whether the post ACG  Flyonel semaphores and block signals cut the track power to zero when in the stop mode or ? - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74102	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

I’ve never tried it, but it should be possible to add an external resistor from the powered section of track to the isolated section of track that is controlled by the 761 semaphore.  This would keep the reversing relay from dropping out.  Sorry, but I don’t have an accessory with the direction lock resistor (my talking station was built before ACG added the resistor), so someone else will have to measure it.   Jerry F.     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 9:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Cow on Track Question     There are several accessories that have a resistor in series with the track power when in the "train is supposed to stop" position - semaphore sam, talking station, cow on the track, etc.  These were designed to reduce the voltage to stop the old AC Flyer engines but to provide just enough voltage so that the reversing "E" unit wasn't triggered into neutral or reverse.  As has been noted, some of the post ACG engines can run on much lower voltages so the voltage coming out of that series resistor is still enough to keep the can motor going. At the risk of stating the obvious, one way to check if the accessory is working correctly is to see what the track voltage is with the accessory "on" vs "off" - it should be reduced (but not zero) when the accessory is "on" - which still leaves the problem that the reduced voltage may still be sufficient to run a post ACG engine through that section of track instead of stopping it.  I don't know of any good fixes other than to cut that wire - as someone else noted - if you are running post ACG engines and then use the directional lock for any ACG engines you are also running.  It should be noted that some accessories - like the 761 semaphore - didn't have the resistor circuit, so in the stop position, the track voltage was zero.  This meant that you had to use the ACG engines in the directional lock mode.  I'm not sure whether the post ACG  Flyonel semaphores and block signals cut the track power to zero when in the stop mode or ? - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74103	From: R G	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

If the cow is not on the track and a locomotive slows down through the insulated track section that you need to look under the cow on track base and you will see a brass stud with a brass bar that moves on and off the stud depending on the position of the cow.  If the brass bar or stud is dirty or not touching firmly than you will have too much resistance and the locomotive will slow down.  I have seen the stud actually melt the surrounding plastic due to too much resistance and heat from poor contact.  Clean and polish both the stud and the moving brass bar, also make sure the movable bar makes tight contact with the stud. On Friday, January 24, 2014 3:03 PM, Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:   I’ve never tried it, but it should be possible to add an external resistor from the powered section of track to the isolated section of track that is controlled by the 761 semaphore.  This would keep the reversing relay from dropping out.  Sorry, but I don’t have an accessory with the direction lock resistor (my talking station was built before ACG added the resistor), so someone else will have to measure it.   Jerry F.     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 9:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Cow on Track Question     There are several accessories that have a resistor in series with the track power when in the "train is supposed to stop" position - semaphore sam, talking station, cow on the track, etc.  These were designed to reduce the voltage to stop the old AC Flyer engines but to provide just enough voltage so that the reversing "E" unit wasn't triggered into neutral or reverse.  As has been noted, some of the post ACG engines can run on much lower voltages so the voltage coming out of that series resistor is still enough to keep the can motor going. At the risk of stating the obvious, one way to check if the accessory is working correctly is to see what the track voltage is with the accessory "on" vs "off" - it should be reduced (but not zero) when the accessory is "on" - which still leaves the problem that the reduced voltage may still be sufficient to run a post ACG engine through that section of track instead of stopping it.  I don't know of any good fixes other than to cut that wire - as someone else noted - if you are running post ACG engines and then use the directional lock for any ACG engines you are also running.  It should be noted that some accessories - like the 761 semaphore - didn't have the resistor circuit, so in the stop position, the track voltage was zero.  This meant that you had to use the ACG engines in the directional lock mode.  I'm not sure whether the post ACG  Flyonel semaphores and block signals cut the track power to zero when in the stop mode or ? - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74104	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

On 1/24/2014 12:39 PM, The Upstairs Train wrote: > Gilbert sold a device called a "lockout eliminator" that can be used in > conjunction with the 761 semaphore, and in several other applications, > to prevent the engine from reversing when it stops. It's nothing more > than a little box with a resistor inside. Wiring instructions and > several possible uses are described on the Lessons Learned pages of my > website. Follow the link to my layout, The UpstairsTrain, and then click > on Lessons Learned. > The resistor is something like 10 ohms at 5 watts so any electronic store should have one. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74105	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

It's a 10 Ohm 10 Watt resistor. I bought a bunch for my layout 10 years ago at Radio Shack for $1.79 each. The whole story is shown with pictures on my website: <thegilbertgallery.org/The%20Upstairs%20Train/reversing_directions.html> Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:56 AM, "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:   I’ve never tried it, but it should be possible to add an external resistor from the powered section of track to the isolated section of track that is controlled by the 761 semaphore.  This would keep the reversing relay from dropping out.  Sorry, but I don’t have an accessory with the direction lock resistor (my talking station was built before ACG added the resistor), so someone else will have to measure it.   Jerry F.     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 9:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Cow on Track Question     There are several accessories that have a resistor in series with the track power when in the "train is supposed to stop" position - semaphore sam, talking station, cow on the track, etc.  These were designed to reduce the voltage to stop the old AC Flyer engines but to provide just enough voltage so that the reversing "E" unit wasn't triggered into neutral or reverse.  As has been noted, some of the post ACG engines can run on much lower voltages so the voltage coming out of that series resistor is still enough to keep the can motor going. At the risk of stating the obvious, one way to check if the accessory is working correctly is to see what the track voltage is with the accessory "on" vs "off" - it should be reduced (but not zero) when the accessory is "on" - which still leaves the problem that the reduced voltage may still be sufficient to run a post ACG engine through that section of track instead of stopping it.  I don't know of any good fixes other than to cut that wire - as someone else noted - if you are running post ACG engines and then use the directional lock for any ACG engines you are also running.  It should be noted that some accessories - like the 761 semaphore - didn't have the resistor circuit, so in the stop position, the track voltage was zero.  This meant that you had to use the ACG engines in the directional lock mode.  I'm not sure whether the post ACG  Flyonel semaphores and block signals cut the track power to zero when in the stop mode or ? - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74106	From: racin510	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

It is not an issue; you figure out what you like for your own room. Personally I really like most of my lighting on reostats and use lower power floods and canister incandescent spots. Some of them can be independently switched off so as to help control effect because I like to go from bright day light to dusk. One important thing I found is that steamer smoke is made much more visible if it is back lit and plan to add a track of several small spots on the far side of the layout to shoot right at the trains from an angle across the wall.  These may turn out to be LED.  I will say that I do not care for tube lighting.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74107	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

<<< If a can motor engine slows down when the cow is on the track, that's normal. The only way to make it actually stop is to cut the wire under the cow on the track so it feeds no power at all to the track when the cow is on the track. The problem, obviously, is that you have to lock all of your engines (both can motors and Gilbert universal motors) in forward-only mode so that they won't reverse when the power comes back on. >>>   Actually, there’s another solution to that. After you cut or disconnect  the wire so that there’s NO current flowing to the isolated section, the engine will always start up in forward IF you have replaced the rvs unit with a modern electronic e-unit !  Any 5-6 second power loss will automatically start up in reverse….. Jut one more advantage of a new e-unit !!!!  And they’re  an easy installation.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74108	From: ee_train	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

Hello Ben - I am designing my own LED lighting system. In my day job, I design electronics including wireless products with Bluetooth. My plan is to have the light color control handled by a PC or smart phone using Bluetooth signalling. I have samples of the LED's and the Bluetooth devices in hand already and when the room is ready will be installing and testing. Right now am removing the old paneling and blown in fiberglass to get access to the knob and tube wiring for replacement. Then it will be moving the HVAC vents, new wiring, new dry wall, new floor, paint, final lighting and then TRAIN TABLE TIME!!!. Hope to be done by summer so that working in the third floor attic space will be sufficiently air conditioned to allow time to be spent working on the trains. I can suggest some off the shelf color controlled LED lighting but at $40 per bulb it was more than the remodeling budget could stand. Bill Still very winter here in St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74109	From: richs009	Date: 1/24/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

Doug - I think you meant to say that with the new electronic "E" units, after any 5-6 sec power loss, the engine  will start up going forward again... ;) - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74110	From: rick gough	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

We could solve the problem here if we would stay on track. It seems to me that the accessory, which ever one it is, can switch current going to the isolated base rail by using or not using a resistor. The accessories function as designed and stop the train when activated, allow it to go on when deactivated. With Cow On Track this is done with a second button, with Talking Station it is done automaticly with the station mechanism. OK, our only issue here is when the station or cow etc. is not activated and the train wants to roll on thru without stopping. Our locomotives are slowing significantly over the isolated rail section. My isolated base rail shows normal voltage but much higher resistance than the base rails on either side . Hopefully the cleaning of contacts under the Cow will resolve Charlie's problem. Mine is the Talking Station and I am not seeing where there are accessable contacts to clean or replace. I have little resistance with the white wire from base rail into station mechanism so the problem must be within the mechanism and contacts it trips causing the spike in resistance and thus slowing the engine..   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Cow on Track Question ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=16189503924&tc_rand=1721069501&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=uiJlXT249JqT1T7D8VCnr4voF0ZHXL7k9UuTuHg2KKYPs2kWUm%2FWC7NsBc4CuLdn&key=0E79R92EnUaNsPk%2F1L7UsDLDeNJB83dfsA%2B25%2ByG3oU%3D   If the cow is not on the track and a locomotive slows down through the insulated track section that you need to look under the cow on track base and you will see a brass stud with a brass bar that moves on and off the stud depending on the position of the cow.  If the brass bar or stud is dirty or not touching firmly than you will have too much resistance and the locomotive will slow down.  I have seen the stud actually melt the surrounding plastic due to too much resistance and heat from poor contact.  Clean and polish both the stud and the moving brass bar, also make sure the movable bar makes tight contact with the stud. On Friday, January 24, 2014 3:03 PM, Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:   I’ve never tried it, but it should be possible to add an external resistor from the powered section of track to the isolated section of track that is controlled by the 761 semaphore.  This would keep the reversing relay from dropping out.  Sorry, but I don’t have an accessory with the direction lock resistor (my talking station was built before ACG added the resistor), so someone else will have to measure it.   Jerry F.     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 9:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Cow on Track Question     There are several accessories that have a resistor in series with the track power when in the "train is supposed to stop" position - semaphore sam, talking station, cow on the track, etc.  These were designed to reduce the voltage to stop the old AC Flyer engines but to provide just enough voltage so that the reversing "E" unit wasn't triggered into neutral or reverse.  As has been noted, some of the post ACG engines can run on much lower voltages so the voltage coming out of that series resistor is still enough to keep the can motor going. At the risk of stating the obvious, one way to check if the accessory is working correctly is to see what the track voltage is with the accessory "on" vs "off" - it should be reduced (but not zero) when the accessory is "on" - which still leaves the problem that the reduced voltage may still be sufficient to run a post ACG engine through that section of track instead of stopping it.  I don't know of any good fixes other than to cut that wire - as someone else noted - if you are running post ACG engines and then use the directional lock for any ACG engines you are also running.  It should be noted that some accessories - like the 761 semaphore - didn't have the resistor circuit, so in the stop position, the track voltage was zero.  This meant that you had to use the ACG engines in the directional lock mode.  I'm not sure whether the post ACG  Flyonel semaphores and block signals cut the track power to zero when in the stop mode or ? - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74111	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

<<< Doug - I think you meant to say that with the new electronic "E" units, after any 5-6 sec power loss, the engine will start up going forward again... ;) >>>   Yep…..”my bad” ….Should have proofread before I hit SEND !   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74112	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

where did this come from?   some one trying to sell you NEW liights On Friday, January 24, 2014 11:18 PM, "ee_train@..." <ee_train@...> wrote:   Hello Ben - I am designing my own LED lighting system. In my day job, I design electronics including wireless products with Bluetooth. My plan is to have the light color control handled by a PC or smart phone using Bluetooth signalling. I have samples of the LED's and the Bluetooth devices in hand already and when the room is ready will be installing and testing. Right now am removing the old paneling and blown in fiberglass to get access to the knob and tube wiring for replacement. Then it will be moving the HVAC vents, new wiring, new dry wall, new floor, paint, final lighting and then TRAIN TABLE TIME!!!. Hope to be done by summer so that working in the third floor attic space will be sufficiently air conditioned to allow time to be spent working on the trains. I can suggest some off the shelf color controlled LED lighting but at $40 per bulb it was more than the remodeling budget could stand. Bill Still very winter here in St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74113	From: afot7	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Smoke Fan Motor

A/F Challenger Smoke fan motor quit running. Removed fan motor and runs on 6V battery. Replaced PCB/super smoke board. Still no running fan motor. Does R4LC RCVR BRD control fan motor? Mother board was replaced under warranty.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74114	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

others have had the same problem On Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:22 AM, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote:   <<< Doug - I think you meant to say that with the new electronic "E" units, after any 5-6 sec power loss, the engine will start up going forward again... ;) >>>   Yep…..”my bad” ….Should have proofread before I hit SEND !   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74115	From: carl4flyer	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: Re: Smoke Fan Motor

The fan is pulsed by the chuff switch and that drives the smoke unit PC board that has a pulse circuit on it. It could be the PC board but most likely it is the motor. It is common for them to run under DC but not work when pulsed and that is probably the problem.   Carl     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of afot7 Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Fan Motor     A/F Challenger Smoke fan motor quit running. Removed fan motor and runs on 6V battery. Replaced PCB/super smoke board. Still no running fan motor. Does R4LC RCVR BRD control fan motor? Mother board was replaced under warranty.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74116	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/25/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/26/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 26, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74117	From: ee_train	Date: 1/26/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

Ben asked for a recommendation for where where to get the LED lighting that could be brightness and color controlled for day/night simulation that I mentioned I would be using in my train room under construction. I am designing and building my own to save cost. There are controllable bulbs out there in the $40 and up range. No one trying to sell anything. Bill Drake Still some snow but supposed to be 50 degrees today in STL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74118	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/26/2014
Subject: For sale: 3-digit Gilbert freights in 5-digit set boxes

For sale: 3-digit Gilbert freights in 5-digit set boxes These late production three-digit freight cars got caught in Gilbert's conversion to five-digit catalog numbers. Each is in a box with a five-digit catalog number; all boxes look at first to be in mint condition, but some have torn flaps. The 924 CRP Hopper is in a blue and yellow 924 box stamped 24208. All the rest are in red and white boxes with only the five-digit number. The flap tips are stamped "5 57" and "6 57". I know they were all sold in a set because each bears a number one less than the catalog number that the car was given when it was sold by itself. Because this estate collection also included a 336 Northern, the set was apparently number 20365. I have already listed the 994 stock car on eBay. The others will be listed on eBay Tuesday unless sold first; act fast! Here's the list: 924 CRP Hopper in blue and yellow box stamped 24308; C-6 926 3-dome Gulf tankcar in 24312 box; C-5/C-6 Due to two broken steps and if he scratches 979 operating caboose in 25035 box; would be C-7 condition, but one end of the catwalk is broken off I also have the box for a 24408 refrigerator car; a guy in our club wanted the car but not the box. And finally an unnumbered box for steam whistle control box. Pictures and additional detail are available on request. As always, these will be sold on a make-offer basis. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74119	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/26/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/26/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 26, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74120	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/27/2014
Subject: Black wire track locks

I have come across a bag of 26 wire track locks, something I'd heard of but never seen before. I don't find them in any of my books, so I really don't know what a fair price is. Is anyone out there familiar with them and what they're worth? Are they made by Gilbert or someone else? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74121	From: Daniel Waskes	Date: 1/27/2014
Subject: Re; fluorescent tubes

Gents, For those of you that are using fluorescent tubes for layout lighting. Are you aware of the UV tubes that slide over the tube to help eliminate UV? You take your tube down from the fixture and slide the UV blocking sleeve over the tube and put it back. These sleeves are reusable between lights. We used to use these sleeves at the mill where I worked. Where to buy them? We used to buy them at our local Ace Hardware store. Check it out. They might be what you are looking for. Dan Waskes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74122	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 1/27/2014
Subject: Re: Re; fluorescent tubes

---------- Original Message ---------- From: Daniel Waskes <dwaskes@...> To: "s-trains@yahoogroups.com" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re; fluorescent tubes Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:04:43 -0800 (PST)   Gents, For those of you that are using fluorescent tubes for layout lighting. Are you aware of the UV tubes that slide over the tube to help eliminate UV? You take your tube down from the fixture and slide the UV blocking sleeve over the tube and put it back. These sleeves are reusable between lights. We used to use these sleeves at the mill where I worked. Where to buy them? We used to buy them at our local Ace Hardware store. Check it out. They might be what you are looking for. Dan Waskes       ____________________________________________________________ 1 Odd trick Kills diabetes 100% scientifically-proven way to control blood sugar in 3 short weeks FightYourDiabetesToday.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74123	From: wb4hay	Date: 1/27/2014
Subject: AM FP-7 Tsunami installation

It's come that time....I want to install a Tsunami in a AM FP-7 and am stumped by the first step. Which model do I buy--I would guess the DC but I thought I'd ask before I make a very expensive mistake. The second question is is the speaker in the "speaker" B unit ok to convert to Tsunami, and of course the third question is what 1000 model would be best for the A  unit ? Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74124	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: AM FP-7 Tsunami installation

First step. mmmm buy the engine maybe? Sorry it's -18 degrees here. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <wb4hay@...> wrote: > > It's come that time....I want to install a Tsunami in a AM FP-7 and am stumped by the first step. Which model do I buy--I would guess the DC but I thought I'd ask before I make a very expensive mistake. The second question is is the speaker in the "speaker" B unit ok to convert to Tsunami, and of course the third question is what 1000 model would be best for the A unit ? > > Kelly Johnson >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74125	From: Fred Alles	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Black wire track locks

Bob, These were made by Gilbert and what many Flyer folks look for when using Flyer track on rubber roadbed. They can slip under the tie and on top of the roadbed so they work great to tie track together without nailing them down. We use them in our club when setting up different layouts at shows, etc., where we don't want to nail down the track and roadbed. Using some of these wire ties in conjunction with track on rubber roadbed, the layout stays nice and tight, especially around curves where track will tend to creep apart unless they are nailed down in spots. As far as price, unless you get a great deal, I have seen these go for 50 cents to one dollar each! And they are hard to find compared to the other type. Hope this helps.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74126	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Black wire track locks

Thank you, Fred. I appreciate it. Were they sold under the same catalog number as the flat metal ones, or did they have their own number? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:23 AM, Fred Alles <falles@...> wrote:   Bob, These were made by Gilbert and what many Flyer folks look for when using Flyer track on rubber roadbed. They can slip under the tie and on top of the roadbed so they work great to tie track together without nailing them down. We use them in our club when setting up different layouts at shows, etc., where we don't want to nail down the track and roadbed. Using some of these wire ties in conjunction with track on rubber roadbed, the layout stays nice and tight, especially around curves where track will tend to creep apart unless they are nailed down in spots. As far as price, unless you get a great deal, I have seen these go for 50 cents to one dollar each! And they are hard to find compared to the other type. Hope this helps.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74127	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: NE#W "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74128	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: AM FP-7 Tsunami installation

Hi Kelly, Yes, you need the DC version of the locomotive, not the AC version. I have no experience with the FP-7, but I have converted the AM FA-2 to DCC. If the two use the same motor, then my comparisons would be valid. When I first got my FA-2, it was one or two days before a big local train show. Our club layout only uses DCC, so I hastily converted the engine (actually two powered A units, with a dummy B unit) using a Z-scale Digitrax decoder (non-sound), the DZ-141 and a DZ-121, which were left over from my N-scale days. Both worked flawlessly and ran the full two-day shows. My only concern is the current draw of the motor. The Digitrax DZ decoders can handle 1.2A continuously, 2A peak. The Tsunami can only handle 1A. This is probably OK for most uses, but you are going to want to make sure your engine doesn't ever stall (motor wants to move but wheels/gearing is not allowing it). If you have the tools, you can do the motor stall current test (run the engine at full speed, but press down on it to prevent the wheels from moving, and then measure the current draw of the motor). The motor that was in my FA-2 was this one: http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/cgi-bin/catalog/e_catalog.cgi?CAT_ID=rs_385sh It is rated with a stall current of 4 amps, so it would have definitely had the ability to fry a Tsunami decoder. I never did install the Tsunami in the AM FA-2 engines. I am now using battery power, using the S-CAB system, which uses the NCE non-sound decoder. I wound up having NWSL replace the AM factory motor with one of theirs. However, I had both a Tsunami in my S-Helper NW2 and my Railmaster Hobbies RS-1. Both worked flawlessly. As far as which sound module to use, since the FP7 was basically a passenger version of the F7, it had the 567 engine in it (see http://www.american-rails.com/emd-fp7.html). So, if it were me, I'd go with the EMD 567 Tsunami, which would be part #828040: http://www.soundtraxx.com/dsd/tsunami/1000at.php http://www.soundtraxx.com/dsd/tsunami/showwistle.php?s=emd567 (FP7 is listed here) If you are able to solder wires, you might want to consider using the AT Tsunami boards rather than the standard TSU-1000. The AT boards are meant for replacements into HO-scale engines that aren't pre-wired for DCC, i.e. no plug-n-play. The TSU-1000 models have plugs and wires, however, they are more expensive. I used the AT board in my RS-1 and I had no problems with it. Just my thoughts.  - Peter. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <wb4hay@...> wrote: It's come that time....I want to install a Tsunami in a AM FP-7 and am stumped by the first step. Which model do I buy--I would guess the DC but I thought I'd ask before I make a very expensive mistake. The second question is is the speaker in the "speaker" B unit ok to convert to Tsunami, and of course the third question is what 1000 model would be best for the A unit ? Kelly Johnson -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74129	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: AM FP-7 Tsunami installation

----- Original Message ----- From: cbtrainnut3 First step. mmmm buy the engine maybe? > > > > > > Buy the engine first, before deciding which engine to buy? I don't think so. < < < < < < Sorry it's -18 degrees here. > > > > > > That would be more meaningful if you gave your location. < < < < < < --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <wb4hay@...> wrote: > > It's come that time....I want to install a Tsunami in a AM FP-7 and am > stumped by the first step. Which model do I buy. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > Unless you or your decoder installer has a strong preference for a specific brand, why not contact AM and ask if they can make you an A unit and a B unit with speakers but no AC circuit board? Going to power the B unit or just drag it around unpowered? You can pull longer, heavier trains with two powered units. The real RRs do that. I don't know too much about it, but I've heard there is such a thing as a stereo sound decoder. Look into that, and consider draw-bar connecting the two units and have a wire from one to the other for the other speaker. < < < < < < . . . . . what 1000 model would be best for the A unit ? > > > > > > Someone else will have to answer that. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich (up to +12° F now) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74130	From: rjk_socal	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

Costco markets Feit brand LED lamps in the standard bulb shape, 40 watt equivalent (450 lumen output), 7 watt power consumption, dimmable (with electronic dimmer) and 2700K color temperature packaged in 3 for $20.  You could use color gels to modify the color is white isn't your choice.  They also have R20 sized dimmable LEDs, 500 lumen output (replacing the 50 watt 50R20 small track-light flood lamp) using 8 watts. ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <ee_train@...> wrote: Ben asked for a recommendation for where where to get the LED lighting that could be brightness and color controlled for day/night simulation that I mentioned I would be using in my train room under construction. I am designing and building my own to save cost. There are controllable bulbs out there in the $40 and up range. No one trying to sell anything. Bill Drake Still some snow but supposed to be 50 degrees today in STL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74131	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fluorescent light bulbs

My wife bought a case of FEIT bulbs at an energy saving expo at her job. They SUCK!. I have had them fail in as few as 2 months. I still have 20 year old incandescent lamps in my basement that have outlasted the FEIT lamps. Check their reviews on Rip Off report. Don't waste your money on them. Bob Hendrickson On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:30 PM, "randy@..." <randy@...> wrote:   Costco markets Feit brand LED lamps in the standard bulb shape, 40 watt equivalent (450 lumen output), 7 watt power consumption, dimmable (with electronic dimmer) and 2700K color temperature packaged in 3 for $20.  You could use color gels to modify the color is white isn't your choice.  They also have R20 sized dimmable LEDs, 500 lumen output (replacing the 50 watt 50R20 small track-light flood lamp) using 8 watts. ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <ee_train@...> wrote: Ben asked for a recommendation for where where to get the LED lighting that could be brightness and color controlled for day/night simulation that I mentioned I would be using in my train room under construction. I am designing and building my own to save cost. There are controllable bulbs out there in the $40 and up range. No one trying to sell anything. Bill Drake Still some snow but supposed to be 50 degrees today in STL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74132	From: scaler164	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: WANTED : SHS PS-2 Hopper "PARTS"

Looking for a few damaged, broken, defective, incomplete, and/or otherwise unusable SHS PS-2 2-Bay covered hoppers to use as a test platform to see if a certain modification I need to make to some of these models can be done successfully.   I mainly need the main body / shell and roof; all other parts are irrelevant... but I'll take them too just in case.   Please contact me offline if you have some you'd be willing to part with.     John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74133	From: lx5043	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

Randy, all I can tell you is I remember reading that the conventional lamp holder needs some type of diode soldered in line with it to make it compatible with the LED bulb. You might try going to a radio shack and they may be able to give you an answer as to the diode you need. If you don't feel comfortable doing the soldering then you obviously will need to farm that out as well. Have you touched base with any of the local train shops, they should be helpful with this, I would think. Good luck and please post any results you are able to find out, because this sounds like a very interesting modification.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74134	From: amflyer336	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: For Sale

I am thinning out and have the following items for sale (all C-9 unless noted otherwise)…   LTI/AF 48118 Mo Pac B unit w/ RailSounds (TRO) $120 9502  SP Dome (TRO) $115  48515 NH Flat w/ girder  $40 48482 ’93 TCA GN Boxcar $75 48225 ’02 TTOS Salt Lake Route Boxcar $75 48310 MKT Boxcar $40 49006 Milwaukee Road Animated Caboose $45   SHS 00041-9 NASG DT&I PS2 Hopper $45 01644 Domino Sugar Boxcar $45   Downs – B-5509 Heinz 50’ insulated Boxcar $45   Pacific Rail Shops – ‘94 NASG SP&S 40’ boxcar $35   American Models Northern Pacific 80’ streamline/lightweight 6 car passenger set (a baggage, coach, sleeper, 2 dome cars, and an observation) with Dallee light kits C-8 $240   ACG Flyer 2 pr 720 switches w/ 720A controllers – C-6 $30/pr 2 pr 720A switches w/ controllers – C-6 $30/pr   MicroScale – 64-6 new S scale decal set for Norfolk Southern diesels $5   Contact me off-list if interested or questions.     Let’s talk!   Gregg gmummert@hotmail,com amflyer336@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74135	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

Try this link for all your LED Questions, Mike   Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) In a message dated 1/28/2014 3:45:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, johnpalm@... writes:   Randy, all I can tell you is I remember reading that the conventional lamp holder needs some type of diode soldered in line with it to make it compatible with the LED bulb. You might try going to a radio shack and they may be able to give you an answer as to the diode you need. If you don't feel comfortable doing the soldering then you obviously will need to farm that out as well. Have you touched base with any of the local train shops, they should be helpful with this, I would think. Good luck and please post any results you are able to find out, because this sounds like a very interesting modification.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74136	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/28/2014
Subject: Re: Using Combination Red/Green LEDs in AF #720 Indicator Stands

If you use the link I sent in the first E-Mail, Notice the Tri-Colored LEDS ... I think these might be what you are looking for, as they turn either Red or Green. Using the power supplied to the rails, you could control which color is lit.....Mike   In a message dated 1/28/2014 3:45:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, johnpalm@... writes:   Randy, all I can tell you is I remember reading that the conventional lamp holder needs some type of diode soldered in line with it to make it compatible with the LED bulb. You might try going to a radio shack and they may be able to give you an answer as to the diode you need. If you don't feel comfortable doing the soldering then you obviously will need to farm that out as well. Have you touched base with any of the local train shops, they should be helpful with this, I would think. Good luck and please post any results you are able to find out, because this sounds like a very interesting modification.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74137	From: daleminard	Date: 1/29/2014
Subject: LBR ENTERPRISES

Has anyone been in contact with LBR?  I've been attempting to contact them for over a month.  I've sent emails and left phone messages but have yet to receive a reply. For LBR:  if you read this please contact me either by email or by phone - you have my contact info on the order I placed. Dale Minard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74138	From: Ted Walton	Date: 1/29/2014
Subject: AF 596 water tank

My 596 Water tank seems to take a high voltage (15V) to lower the water spout . At this voltage, the light is extremely bright. When I press the button to lower the spout, the light goes off and the voltage drops to about 8 Volts. I measured the resistance to coil and get about 1 ohm - is this about right? The coil gets pretty warm if activated too long, or frequently, and some burnt smell. I could replace the bulb (14V) with a higher voltage, 18V. but then the light would probably be a little dim. I think the coil may need to be rewind - what wire gauge? Ted Walton --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74139	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: Re: Cow on Track Question

Greetings! When running trains through the insulated track section for the Gilbert Cow on Track, the engines slow down when the "Cow" is NOT activated. Should I expect this to happen or should I be looking for a cause? I have exchanged and cleaned the track sections, and double checked the wiring but have not changed the results. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI Greetings, Again! The snow has been keeping us quite busy but today was a day of sunshine .... tomorrow??? My thanks to all for the suggestions on "fixing" the Cow. Cleaning the contacts under the base of the Cow did the trick! The engines maintain their speed, when traveling through the insulated track section, when the Cow is not on the track. Best wishes, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74140	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: Re: LBR ENTERPRISES

I have had no problem in contacting LBR. Their response has been quick and to the point. This is the email that I have used with good results. Ray reujan2000@yahoo.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74141	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Jan. 30

Off topic again today, but another look into the past on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  with "There I was...again!"   Once again, I snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in this piece. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74142	From: lou342ac	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: Re: AF 596 water tank

Ted,     Robert Hannon's S-Gauge Reference Manual has the ohmic value listed as 5.5 ohms, Bob as far as I know still offers rewind services. I believe he is a member on this list. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74143	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: Re: AF 596 water tank

On 1/29/2014 5:20 PM, Ted Walton wrote: > My 596 Water tank seems to take a high voltage (15V) to lower the > water spout . At this voltage, the light is extremely bright. When I > press the button to lower the spout, the light goes off and the > voltage drops to about 8 Volts. I measured the resistance to coil and > get about 1 ohm - is this about right? The coil gets pretty warm if > activated too long, or frequently, and some burnt smell. I could > replace the bulb (14V) with a higher voltage, 18V. but then the > light would probably be a little dim. I think the coil may need to be > rewind - what wire gauge? It should measure something close to 5 1/2 ohms. The coil is 500 turns of #29 wire according to the Hannon S gauge book on all of the coil windings. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74144	From: Eric	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: NASG Bulletins

I have 2 boxes of NASG Bulletins that I no longer need.  These date back to 1982-3 and pretty much all from 1986 through now.  There are 2 boxes of about 25 pounds each.  That is about $14 each for media mail. If you are interested please reply off list.  Paypal works or check or Money order.  Best offer in the next couple of days gets them. No offers = recycle Bin Tuesday. Eric Reis ericRhere(at)gmail(dot)com Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74145	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/30/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Bulletins

eric: bid*$10.00*for*all mel*perry On Jan 30, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Eric wrote:   I have 2 boxes of NASG Bulletins that I no longer need.  These date back to 1982-3 and pretty much all from 1986 through now.  There are 2 boxes of about 25 pounds each.  That is about $14 each for media mail. If you are interested please reply off list.  Paypal works or check or Money order.  Best offer in the next couple of days gets them. No offers = recycle Bin Tuesday. Eric Reis ericRhere(at)gmail(dot)com Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74146	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Pawn Stars AF Silver Bullet

Did anyone else notice the lady playing with the American Flyer silver bullet locomotive on Pawn Stars last night?  I could see the sales sticker but could not make out Rick's price.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74147	From: wjjim2001	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: Pawn Stars AF Silver Bullet

looked like rods were off on right side??????   Jim Lyle   In a message dated 1/31/2014 10:28:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Did anyone else notice the lady playing with the American Flyer silver bullet locomotive on Pawn Stars last night?  I could see the sales sticker but could not make out Rick's price.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74148	From: alan smith	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: The Latest bashing Project

Guys Custom Propane car.   From damaged or renovated A F items.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74149	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: Pawn Stars AF Silver Bullet

Yes, and the opening shots used to have what looked like a Bachmann G Big Hauler 4-6-0 in the case.   I think there was an episode where Rich bought a Lionel prewar O or Standard Gauge train for big bucks and got royally burned on it.   Guess he never heard of the Greenburg Guides (which for buying have to be about halved for value as they are still pretty optimistic in the selling price levels).   Charlie Vlk Did anyone else notice the lady playing with the American Flyer silver bullet locomotive on Pawn Stars last night?  I could see the sales sticker but could not make out Rick's price.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74150	From: Bob Groh	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project

Attachments : Nice job!   How did you handle the graphics? Bob Groh Blue SPrings, Missouri On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:41 AM, alan smith <alansmith@...> wrote:  Guys Custom Propane car.   From damaged or renovated A F items.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74151	From: srjaynes	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Need instructions for #26671 TracK Trip

The mechanical Track Trips are obvious, but this electronic track trip has me a bit baffled.  How is it installed and wired? Does anyone have a pdf of the instruction sheet? Thanks in advance, Steve J. Portland, OR Flyers since 1954.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74152	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: Pawn Stars AF Silver Bullet

There was an episode on the Pickers show where they bought a Lionel Std ga. Brown set for around 7000.00 +- ..... They sold it at auction for 3500.00 +-.... On Porn Stars a fellow brought in a small tackle box with junk Erector parts    Wanted 100.00    ..... They gave him 50.00.... I would have walked for 10.00... Bob From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:16 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Pawn Stars AF Silver Bullet   Yes, and the opening shots used to have what looked like a Bachmann G Big Hauler 4-6-0 in the case.   I think there was an episode where Rich bought a Lionel prewar O or Standard Gauge train for big bucks and got royally burned on it.   Guess he never heard of the Greenburg Guides (which for buying have to be about halved for value as they are still pretty optimistic in the selling price levels).   Charlie Vlk Did anyone else notice the lady playing with the American Flyer silver bullet locomotive on Pawn Stars last night?  I could see the sales sticker but could not make out Rick's price.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74153	From: alan smith	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project

The graphics are custom decals designed for me by LBR.    "Devil's Breath Gas company" - We bring on the heat - No pain Propane.  Tank body is my custom. Platform is from Portlines.  Ladders and Catwalk frame are stainless material.   Catwalk itself is styrene diamond plate.  The frame on this one is an old  cast metal 925  Dome rivet pattern is from Archer.   The vents are # 7 drive screws.  These propane cars are a nice project and add interest to our collective S gauge world. Doc in Hamilton, O On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Bob Groh wrote:   Nice job!   How did you handle the graphics? Bob Groh Blue SPrings, Missouri On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:41 AM, alan smith <alansmith@...> wrote:  Guys Custom Propane car.   From damaged or renovated A F items.     < Dome top Propane car 1-30-14.jpg>< Propane tank car (silver) 1-30-14.jpg>< Propane tank car (silver) Side view 1-30-14.jpg>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74154	From: Ted Walton	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: AF 596 water tank

Thanks Lou Baldi and George Cohn for the information on the coil in the AF 596 water tank. "... 5 1/2 ohms and 500 turns of #29 wire according to the Hannon S gauge book ...." Obviously my coil is shorting out and needs rewinding. May try it myself if I have the right size coil wire - measure total length and try not to lose count on the number of turns to make sure I'm pretty close to the original. May be a little tedious - something for a snowy day. Ted Walton >On 1/29/2014 5:20 PM, Ted Walton wrote: > > My 596 Water tank seems to take a high voltage (15V) to lower > the water spout . At this voltage, the light is extremely bright. > When I press the button to lower the spout, the light goes off and > the voltage drops to about 8 Volts. I measured the resistance to > coil and get about 1 ohm - is this about right? The coil gets > pretty warm if activated too long, or frequently, and some burnt > smell. I could replace the bulb (14V) with a higher voltage, 18V. but then the >light would probably be a little dim. I think the coil may need to >be rewind - what wire gauge? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74155	From: wb4hay	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: AM FP-7 Tsunami installation

Peter,    Thanks a bunch for the extensive reply. It sure helped. Now all I gotta do is press on. Kelly

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74156	From: reujan2000	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Semi-Vandy Tender Shell (Advertisement)

Well, we are another week closer to having a very reasonably priced Semi-Vandy tender kit ready for the "S" community. We got everything we need sized and have only to build a prototype.      These kits utilize your old AF A&P tenders by cutting off the coal bunker and adding our new tank to the back of it. It will fit on almost any pre-1966 AF chassis you have by cutting off what you need. The shells are five inches long so you can see by using the AF bunker you can make a tender up to nine inches long.  The folks out west should be happy as all you have to do to change it to an oiler is replace the coal pile with a piece of plastic sheet and add a filler port and breather.      The price (with instructions & shipping, CONUS) will be $24.50 ea.      Thank you for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74157	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: [AmericanFlyerTrains] Need instructions for #26671 Track Trip

My website has a treatise on semaphores and track trips that I wrote as I was building my layout and working out all the bugs I ran into. Interestingly, it doesn't tell how to wire up the trips! I'll have to add that.          <thegilbertgallery.org/The%20Upstairs%20Train/semaphores.html> Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Friday, January 31, 2014 10:45 AM, "srjaynes@..." <srjaynes@...> wrote:   The mechanical track trips are obvious, but this electronic one has me baffled. Does anyone have the instructions for the 26671 in PDF. The AF Manuals CD I have doesn't seem to cover it. Thanks, Steve J. Portland, OR Flyers since 1954.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74158	From: Eric	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: NASG Dispatches

I'll try this again: Sorry I had a problem calling them Bulletins and not mentioning the minimum bid needed to cover the $28 postage. I have 2 boxes of NASG Dispatches that I no longer need.  These date back to 1982-3 and pretty much all from 1986 through now.  There are 2 boxes of about 25 pounds each.  That is about $14 each for media mail. If you are interested please reply off list.  Paypal works or check or Money order.  Best offer ( minimum is the $28 postage)  in the next couple of days gets them. only want part of the, bid on that.    No offers = recycle Bin Tuesday. Thanks Eric Reis ericRhere(at)gmail(dot)com Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74159	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project

Hello Alan, Nice work on the tanker, but what I want to know is how did you include the actual pix in your S-Trains posting. I thought Yahoo stripped out any attachments. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:41 AM, alan smith <alansmith@...> wrote: > Guys > > Custom Propane car. From damaged or renovated A F items. > > < Dome top Propane car 1-30-14.jpg>< Propane tank car (silver) 1-30-14.jpg>< Propane tank car (silver) Side view 1-30-14.jpg>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74160	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 1/31/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project

Very nice, well done On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:42 AM, alan smith <alansmith@...> wrote:  Guys Custom Propane car.   From damaged or renovated A F items.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74161	From: alan smith	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project

J, Thanks for your comment. I have now installed the spacer, the attaching screw and applied the matt finish.  She is now ready to ride the rails on a consist. Cheers, Alan in Ham, Oh. On Jan 31, 2014, at 9:34 PM, JFrederick Roberts wrote: Very nice, well done On Friday, January 31, 2014 11:42 AM, alan smith <alansmith@...> wrote:  Guys Custom Propane car.   From damaged or renovated A F items.     < Dome top Propane car 1-30-14.jpg>< Propane tank car (silver) 1-30-14.jpg>< Propane tank car (silver) Side view 1-30-14.jpg>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74162	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: Need instructions for #26671 TracK Trip

On 1/31/2014 10:48 AM, srjaynes@... wrote: > The mechanical Track Trips are obvious, but this electronic track trip > has me a bit baffled. How is it installed and wired? Do you mean the 26672 track trip? If so, A goes to the left of the first fiber pin and B goes to the right of the second fiber pin on the base post side your isolated block of track. The accessory hooks to C and the fixed voltage. I don't have one of those but I'm guessing it's a coil that closes a contact when a train is in the block. Seems to me you could make something similar with a reed switch inside a coil of wire. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74163	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: UP GRADE YOUR AF BALDWIN ENGINE (Advertisement)

We are now offering an UP GRADE offer for your pre-1966 American Flyer "BALDWIN" diesel switch engines. The offer and info can be viewed at our web site at: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Repair-Services.html?_=1391262635368 Easier operation and more enjoyment. Ask us about our new traction wheels for your up graded BALDWIN. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74164	From: alan smith	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: The Latest bashing Project

Alan,  I'm a shocked as you.   I had not seen this done before -- EVER.   I just put them with the text as a J Peg attachment.   Surprise-  surprise- surprise! Alan in Ham, Ohio On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Alan Bennett wrote:   Hello Alan, Nice work on the tanker, but what I want to know is how did you include the actual pix in your S-Trains posting. I thought Yahoo stripped out any attachments. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:41 AM, alan smith <alansmith@...> wrote: > Guys > > Custom Propane car. From damaged or renovated A F items. > > < Dome top Propane car 1-30-14.jpg>< Propane tank car (silver) 1-30-14.jpg>< Propane tank car (silver) Side view 1-30-14.jpg>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74165	From: traindavid	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: water tank coil rewinding

While I haven't yet done it, I would think that rewinding the coil would be easier on a sewing machine bobbin winder--variable speed with instant stop. I know that real coil winders look & work a lot like one. (I watched them wind bobbins for the note plungers in Piano Disc player pianos.) Just an idea!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74166	From: alan smith	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: More fun in the world of bashing. Imagination at work !

Flyer guys, To all Lovers of the American Flyer of old.   I give you the attached. 977 with lighted brakemen and side lanterns - Note: Power set at( 0 ) speed on the 30 B                          Custom  630  Side door caboose with fiber optic powered side lanterns         and tool boxes   Special purpose flat car. The same length as a 960 passenger car so it does not interfere with  tunnels on the layout Note: 4 axle trucks (all active axles) Still work to do on the stubby  Note: the std car in the background      Old Al in Hamilton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74167	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: water tank coil rewinding

On 1/31/2014 9:43 PM, djdewey@... wrote: > While I haven't yet done it, I would think that rewinding the coil would be > easier on a sewing machine bobbin winder--variable speed with instant stop. When I rewound my whistle field, I thought about cobbling something together but since I only had one to do, just did it by hand. One of the issues is counting turns. I googled a bit and found a video where a person had taken a cheap calculator from the dollar store and modified it slightly to add 1 + 1 each time a motor contact closed. Very cool idea. I have way too many other projects on my plate right now but some sort of coil winding machine may be in the future. Even if it was just a jig with a hand crank, it would be faster than holding the coil in one hand and winding wire with the other. May have to dig out one of my Erector sets and see what could be thrown together! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74168	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Scratchbuilt S scale stock car

Attachments : SAM_0527.jpg SAM_0526.jpg Here is a pic of a Scratch built stock car. I built the side up out of bass wood strips and made a mold of it and cast some parts of the sides, doors, ends and floor. The roof is sheet styrene with some styrene strips. May redo the masters for floor and end parts as they did not come out as well as the sides and door castings.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74169	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: More fun in the world of bashing. Imagination at work !

Nice work, really like the second caboose and the shorty tank car.  From: alan smith <alansmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] More fun in the world of bashing. Imagination at work ! Flyer guys, To all Lovers of the American Flyer of old.   I give you the attached. 977 with lighted brakemen and side lanterns - Note: Power set at( 0 ) speed on the 30 B                          Custom  630  Side door caboose with fiber optic powered side lanterns         and tool boxes   Special purpose flat car. The same length as a 960 passenger car so it does not interfere with  tunnels on the layout Note: 4 axle trucks (all active axles) Still work to do on the stubby  Note: the std car in the background      Old Al in Hamilton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74170	From: richs009	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: water tank coil rewinding

An alternative to using a solenoid would be a stepper motor.  The solenoid in my water tank makes a terrible racket.  I think that would improve if I put in a small bridge rectifier in the circuit in the tank to get rid of the AC chatter.  However that still leaves the problem that the spout 'jumps' from the up to the down position and vice versa.  So one of the things on my ToDo list after getting an Arduino set up for other control functions is to add a stepper motor control element to the program 'sketch'.  I suspect control of a stepper motor could be done with a dedicated circuit.  Rob Paisley may have such a circuit in his nice, online collection. I may use the rectifier anyway since I'd like to use one of the blinking LEDs for the top light. - Rich ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <gwcohn@...> wrote: On 1/31/2014 9:43 PM, djdewey@... wrote: > While I haven't yet done it, I would think that rewinding the coil would be > easier on a sewing machine bobbin winder--variable speed with instant stop. When I rewound my whistle field, I thought about cobbling something together but since I only had one to do, just did it by hand. One of the issues is counting turns. I googled a bit and found a video where a person had taken a cheap calculator from the dollar store and modified it slightly to add 1 + 1 each time a motor contact closed. Very cool idea. I have way too many other projects on my plate right now but some sort of coil winding machine may be in the future. Even if it was just a jig with a hand crank, it would be faster than holding the coil in one hand and winding wire with the other. May have to dig out one of my Erector sets and see what could be thrown together! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74171	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/2/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 2, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74172	From: Eric	Date: 2/1/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Dispatches

The NASG Dispatches have a new home.  Thanks for the offers. eric

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74173	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/2/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 2, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74174	From: poniaj	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: Re: More fun in the world of bashing. Imagination at work !

Al, If I wore a hat, it would be off to you!  Well done, sir! Jerry Bashing in Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74175	From: Ted Walton	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: AF 596 water tank - Follow-up

On removing the coil from the tank, it appears that the wire is AWG 23 gauge, indicating that the coil was previously repaired with the wrong gauge wire: "As reported earlier, the coil is 500 turns of #29 wire (81.84 ohms per 1000 ft.) according to the Hannon S gauge book" and by my calculations would require approximately 67 feet length to give 5.5 ohm resistance. With the AWG 23 (20.36 ohms per 1000 ft ), I calculate a length of 270 feet of wire would be necessary to give the 5.5 ohms resistance. I have not yet unwound the wire from coil, but I quite sure that the length is far short from the 270 feet and that is why I measured only 1 ohm when I measured the resistance of the coil. I don't know what the original coil looked like from the factory, but this one did have the outside wrapped with a tape making it look original. My problem is that I have a big spool of # 30 (103.32 ohms per 1000 ft) wire, and I think that will be close enough. But do I use a length (52.3 ft ) to give the 5.5 ohms; or use a length of 67.2 ft (6.9 ohms) to match the length and the approximate number of turns (500) in the original coil for the #29 wire. I thinking of splitting the difference and using a length of 60 ft, giving a resistance of 6.2 ohms but maybe 10 less turns. Thanks for any opinions or suggestions. Also trying to figure out how to make the rewinding process easier. Ted Walton --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74176	From: zemouse2001	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: Re: water tank coil rewinding

The stepper motor can make a heck of racket too although I assume you would set it up so it takes many steps to go from full up to full down. Another way would be to use a small dc motor and gear train to get the job done (maybe steal the motor and gearing from a kid's electric car). BOb Groh BLue Springs, Missouri --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <richs009@...> wrote: > > An alternative to using a solenoid would be a stepper motor. The solenoid in my water tank makes a terrible racket. I think that would improve if I put in a small bridge rectifier in the circuit in the tank to get rid of the AC chatter. However that still leaves the problem that the spout 'jumps' from the up to the down position and vice versa. So one of the things on my ToDo list after getting an Arduino set up for other control functions is to add a stepper motor control element to the program 'sketch'. I suspect control of a stepper motor could be done with a dedicated circuit. Rob Paisley may have such a circuit in his nice, online collection. > > I may use the rectifier anyway since I'd like to use one of the blinking LEDs for the top light. > > - Rich > > > > > > ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <gwcohn@> wrote: > > On 1/31/2014 9:43 PM, djdewey@ mailto:djdewey@ wrote: > > While I haven't yet done it, I would think that rewinding the coil would be > > easier on a sewing machine bobbin winder--variable speed with instant stop. > > When I rewound my whistle field, I thought about cobbling something > together but since I only had one to do, just did it by hand. > > One of the issues is counting turns. I googled a bit and found a video > where a person had taken a cheap calculator from the dollar store and > modified it slightly to add 1 + 1 each time a motor contact closed. > Very cool idea. > > I have way too many other projects on my plate right now but some sort > of coil winding machine may be in the future. Even if it was just a jig > with a hand crank, it would be faster than holding the coil in one hand > and winding wire with the other. > > May have to dig out one of my Erector sets and see what could be thrown > together! > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74177	From: zemouse2001	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: Re: AF 596 water tank - Follow-up

I would agree with you and just split the difference. Basically the strength of the electomagnet is strongly related to the (number of turns) times (the current) with some relationship to the geometry of the windings (e.g. number of layers, degree of packing, etc). The current will be related to resistance of the coil and to the applied voltage. It gets complicated in a hurry!! So just split the difference and wind it as neat as you can. Should work fine and life is too short! Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ted Walton <trwalton@...> wrote: > > On removing the coil from the tank, it appears that the wire is AWG > 23 gauge, indicating that the coil was previously repaired with the > wrong gauge wire: > > "As reported earlier, the coil is 500 turns of #29 wire (81.84 ohms > per 1000 ft.) according to the Hannon S gauge book" and by my > calculations would require approximately 67 feet length to give 5.5 > ohm resistance. > > With the AWG 23 (20.36 ohms per 1000 ft ), I calculate a length of > 270 feet of wire would be necessary to give the 5.5 ohms resistance. > I have not yet unwound the wire from coil, but I quite sure that the > length is far short from the 270 feet and that is why I measured only > 1 ohm when I measured the resistance of the coil. I don't know what > the original coil looked like from the factory, but this one did have > the outside wrapped with a tape making it look original. > > My problem is that I have a big spool of # 30 (103.32 ohms per 1000 > ft) wire, and I think that will be close enough. But do I use a > length (52.3 ft ) to give the 5.5 ohms; or use a length of 67.2 ft > (6.9 ohms) to match the length and the approximate number of turns > (500) in the original coil for the #29 wire. > > I thinking of splitting the difference and using a length of 60 ft, > giving a resistance of 6.2 ohms but maybe 10 less turns. Thanks for > any opinions or suggestions. Also trying to figure out how to make > the rewinding process easier. > > Ted Walton > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74178	From: richs009	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: Re: water tank coil rewinding

Bob -- that would work too.  I rebuilt a Flyer magnetic crane (583A) using small DC motors from Tamiya so I could control both rotation and raising/lowering the hook/magnet independently.  The Tamiya motors come in kits containing an assortment of gears plus the motor.  So you assemble it with the right set of gear ratios to give you the right speed(s).  I don't know how long they will last - the gears and the case are plastic (DC motor is not), but that made it easy to assemble.  I found one motor kit small enough to fit inside the yellow house that serves as the crane cab and a second motor of the same size to mount below the deck to provide for the crane rotation.  The controller - purchased separately - has a single lever with up-down right-left motion - like what you'd see on an RC controller. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74179	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: Re: water tank coil rewinding

On 2/1/2014 3:21 PM, richs009@... wrote: > So one of the things on my ToDo list after getting an Arduino set up for > other control functions is to add a stepper motor control element to the > program 'sketch'. I suspect control of a stepper motor could be done > with a dedicated circuit. Rob Paisley may have such a circuit in his > nice, online collection. > > I may use the rectifier anyway since I'd like to use one of the blinking > LEDs for the top light. Seems we are thinking along the same line. I just bought three little stepper motors on Amazon to try to do something in a more realistic crossing gate using an Arduino. This is one of the best implementations I have seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkUpmoC-9s It certainly would be easy to adapt something similar to the water tank and even have the Arduino pulse a regular red LED for the top. Another place that lends itself to the stepper would be the rotary aircraft beacon. Replace the dimpled bulb with two high brightness LED's and put a stepper in the bottom turning a rod. Just solidly fasten the beacon to the rod and the stepper could turn it at whatever speed you program. I also have a Raspberry Pi and since it uses Debian Linux as its operating system, I am looking into doing more with it since I teach a class using Debian Linux. Most of the programs for the Pi use Python which is like an improved Basic so its not terribly difficult to figure out the logic. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74180	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/2/2014
Subject: "Prairie Dog" Project Part Five

The final installment of the "Prairie Dog" project has been posted in the STUMPY'S STATION section of My Flyer Trains at  http://myflyertrains.org  .  In this one we paint and decal the loco.  I also explain what happened when a problem cropped up during operation, something everyone building this project should know! Next month we'll go to the other end of the train for our kit bashing project! Stumpy Stone in COLD Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74181	From: srjaynes	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Need instructions for #26671 TracK Trip

I received a pdf of the 26671 instruction sheet.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74182	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: List Plasticville Available, Will start to price, may consign or put

Plasticville Collection Boxed FB-1 Frosty Bar 2 LH-4  2 Story Colonial House PD-3 Police Dept. LC-2 Log Cabin Fence and Tree GO-2 Gas Station PO-1 Post Office RH-1 Ranch House 3 brown, Dark Green, Yellow DH-2 Hardware and Pharmacy FH-4 Fire House White RS-8 Passenger Station PH-1 Town Hall cream SG-3 Signal Bridge 2 HS-6 Hospital YA-9 Yard Accessories 1918  Park Asst. 1600 Church Unboxed Red Barn Yellow and Green Ranch Houses 2   Boxed Little Town Ranch House Marx Boxed 139RSE Ranch House

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74183	From: texas0717	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Lookin for S gauge in Fla

Anyone familiar with the St Petes - Clearwater area. We are currently visiting this area and I would like to visit any of the model train shops that may have a decent stock of S gauge, new(Lionel/AmFlyer, Showcase, Etc) and older Flyer. Please no private collections. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. If suggestions are considered promotional - then my apologies and please disregard!! I am only wanting to know where I can find something more then the same old broken pieces on a dusty shelf at the back of the shop!! Thanks to anyone who can help. Texas 0717

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74184	From: jhwysopal	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Flionel electromagnetic crane

My crane stopped operating, Motor runs but gears do not turn, thus crane does not move. Is it possible to repair the gear box or do I need to order a new one from Lionel? Thank you for your help. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74185	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Need instructions for #26671 TracK Trip

On 2/3/2014 7:56 AM, srjaynes@... wrote: > I received a pdf of the 26671 instruction sheet. THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I'm curious, what is the difference between the 26671 and the 26672? I could find the 26671 listed in my book, I also see a 26670 track trip and 26673 electric track trip but no mention of what they are. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74186	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla

Hi Laurin, The best place I know over there is H R Trains ( http://hrtrains.com/ ). Big store. Active promoters through their regular train shows and swap meets. I see they carry S-Gauge fastrack, so, I would hope they have more than just a few dusty old items. It has been a few years since I visited them. Maybe someone else can provide more current info. Bill PS You are coming east and I am going much farther west. No time for trains this trip - just work for me. Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 2/3/2014 2:44 PM, laurin0717@... wrote: Anyone familiar with the St Petes - Clearwater area. We are currently visiting this area and I would like to visit any of the model train shops that may have a decent stock of S gauge, new(Lionel/AmFlyer, Showcase, Etc) and older Flyer. Please no private collections. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. If suggestions are considered promotional - then my apologies and please disregard!! I am only wanting to know where I can find something more then the same old broken pieces on a dusty shelf at the back of the shop!! Thanks to anyone who can help. Texas 0717

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74187	From: texas0717	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla

Bill - Thanks so much for the quick response! I will try and get over and visit with them. I had seen their classified in Model Railroad magazine but looking on their website did not look promising. Ps - hope you aren't going too far West! Where I Just came from weather is not Good..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74188	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

I recently got my beautiful AM B & O passenger set off the shelf to run for the first time in a long time. I noticed a cracked U joint coupling and Ron B. sent me replacements. I though that would stop the erratic performance. It did not. So here is what is happening: I run it for about 30 seconds, then it cuts in and out (ie. the motor starts and stops- about 6 seconds on; 6 seconds off.) This will go on indefinitely. Meanwhile the headlight and passenger car lights are not affected. Ron asked if the microswitch was shorting out on the brass flywheel so I placed a piece of electrical tape over the back of the switch. That apparently was not it. He mentioned it could be a loose wire so I took off the tender shell and looked for anything amiss (that circuit board is CRAZY!) I don't see anything out of place. Anyone ever encounter this problem? Have a fix? I am thinking of bypassing the circuit board altogether and running the motor/light/smoke unit straight DC and hopefully that will take care of it. I am not much for artificial train sounds anyway. Any help appreciated!  Thanks!  Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74189	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

It could be a hair line crack on the circuit board, or a short connection due to moisture or a solder connection. See if cleaning the board and brushing the under part of the circuit board might make the unit run. Sometimes there is a connection across the electrical components that is not seen by the human eye.   Frank R. EMIRO From: "lbstiles@..." <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 6:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco   I recently got my beautiful AM B & O passenger set off the shelf to run for the first time in a long time. I noticed a cracked U joint coupling and Ron B. sent me replacements. I though that would stop the erratic performance. It did not. So here is what is happening: I run it for about 30 seconds, then it cuts in and out (ie. the motor starts and stops- about 6 seconds on; 6 seconds off.) This will go on indefinitely. Meanwhile the headlight and passenger car lights are not affected. Ron asked if the microswitch was shorting out on the brass flywheel so I placed a piece of electrical tape over the back of the switch. That apparently was not it. He mentioned it could be a loose wire so I took off the tender shell and looked for anything amiss (that circuit board is CRAZY!) I don't see anything out of place. Anyone ever encounter this problem? Have a fix? I am thinking of bypassing the circuit board altogether and running the motor/light/smoke unit straight DC and hopefully that will take care of it. I am not much for artificial train sounds anyway. Any help appreciated!  Thanks!  Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74190	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 2/3/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

I have over 20 American models engines and they are about as bullet proof as they come. The motors are very reliable. My first thoughts is that there is a loose wire somewhere.  Just because the wire looks fine it could be broken under the insulation. I had that happen on a new Flyer Challenger. If you have a DC power pack you could disconnect the motor from the E-unit and run it on DC. I have had other manufacturers electronic E-units go bad and the one you have may need to be replaced. If the motor runs fine on DC and there are no loose or broken wires than the E-unit will need to be replaced.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74191	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

I was having erratic performance from my AM K4 Pennsy Pacific.  It acted like something was binding internally, causing it to "cog" jerkily until it finally refused to run altogether.  I thought a wire may have gotten caught in the smoke unit chaffer mechanism.  I took it apart and found that the smoke unit piston had gotten crudded up with gummy smoke fluid residue and it just didn't want to slide freely in the cylinder.  I disassembled the piston, linkage, etc., cleaned the cylinder and piston with alcohol until all residue was gone and piston slid smoothly, then re-assembled with a light film of vaseline coating the piston bore.  That cleaning, and an appropriate application of oil and grease on the gears and my K4 runs beautifully now. Not sure if your problem is electrical or mechanical (does the loco headlight flicker?), but mine was resolved by a good cleaning and lubing. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74192	From: James Lyle	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

Ben Smoke unit & light may be "reduced voltage" items by circuit board. Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Feb 3, 2014, at 9:48 PM, <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: I have over 20 American models engines and they are about as bullet proof as they come. The motors are very reliable. My first thoughts is that there is a loose wire somewhere.  Just because the wire looks fine it could be broken under the insulation. I had that happen on a new Flyer Challenger. If you have a DC power pack you could disconnect the motor from the E-unit and run it on DC. I have had other manufacturers electronic E-units go bad and the one you have may need to be replaced. If the motor runs fine on DC and there are no loose or broken wires than the E-unit will need to be replaced.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74193	From: thomas.kaufman@ymail.com	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla

Bill gave you a good suggestion. I live in Seminole FL, and know the owners and staff of H&R well. Will give you a piece of advice. Do not rely on H&R website for current available products. They have some items on the shelf that are available for immediate sale. If you enter the store at the main entrance and turn right towards the repair shop the AF stuff is located near the Lionel items. All the used stuff is lovingly restored to a very presentable condition, by the repair tech staff, who services all scales. As Bill mentioned, our area does have a lot of collector/train shows throughout the year but alas now is not one of them. Our two major shows are the Suncoast Model Railroad Club in Largo who have their train show at Minnreg Hall in Largo, and the Regal Train show, that does shoes at a small venue in Pinellas Park. Since you didn't specify a time frame for your visit, check these two groups who have websites. Hope the information is helpful. Tom Kaufman Seminole FL Long time Flyer operator.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74194	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

From your description, it sounds like you have a thermal problem, that is something is overheating and shutting down the motor.  With the motor off no current flows and whatever is overheating cools down a bit until the motor starts running.  With the motor again drawing current the problem heats up enough to restart the cycle.  The operation is similar to the bimetal flasher in old Christmas tree lights.  In this case it takes 30 seconds to get to the cutoff temperature and then it cycles with 6 seconds on and 6 seconds off.  As others have said it could be a component on the board, a bad connection, a small break in a trace on the board, or even the motor itself.  My bet is on the board.  Without knowing the circuit, I cannot give you anything specific.  If you can power up the engine on a test stand with the shell off, a can of coolant spray (available from electronics suppliers) may help you to isolate the specific location of the problem.   Hope this helps,   Jerry F.        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lbstiles@... Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 5:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco     I recently got my beautiful AM B & O passenger set off the shelf to run for the first time in a long time. I noticed a cracked U joint coupling and Ron B. sent me replacements. I though that would stop the erratic performance. It did not. So here is what is happening: I run it for about 30 seconds, then it cuts in and out (ie. the motor starts and stops- about 6 seconds on; 6 seconds off.) This will go on indefinitely. Meanwhile the headlight and passenger car lights are not affected. Ron asked if the microswitch was shorting out on the brass flywheel so I placed a piece of electrical tape over the back of the switch. That apparently was not it. He mentioned it could be a loose wire so I took off the tender shell and looked for anything amiss (that circuit board is CRAZY!) I don't see anything out of place. Anyone ever encounter this problem? Have a fix? I am thinking of bypassing the circuit board altogether and running the motor/light/smoke unit straight DC and hopefully that will take care of it. I am not much for artificial train sounds anyway. Any help appreciated!  Thanks!  Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74195	From: texas0717	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla

Tom and Bill - Thanks so much for your comments! I definitly will plan on stopping by H & R! We are in town for about 3 weeks so should have ample time to get over there. I currently have a somewhat small portable layout( on a 9X5 table) with dreams of a larger one someday. I am able to operate vintage AF and new Lionel Legacy along with items from Showcase and American Models.. So I always like to check out different shops!! We are certainly enjoying the great weather and hospitality of this area!!! Thanks Again for your comments Laurin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74196	From: mikenguy9	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla

does Sgaaugian list any stores.?  how about Classic Toy trains?  I would have looked before going. but if you are visiting relatives any hobby shop would be nice.  even H0.                       An American Fllyer fan, in O, S, and H0.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74197	From: James Lyle	Date: 2/4/2014
Subject: Aircraft Beacon

Lionel 494 lot easier. Same size or very close. Just get an extra washer or two. Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2014, at 7:49 PM, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > >> On 2/1/2014 3:21 PM, richs009@... wrote: >> >> So one of the things on my ToDo list after getting an Arduino set up for >> other control functions is to add a stepper motor control element to the >> program 'sketch'. I suspect control of a stepper motor could be done >> with a dedicated circuit. Rob Paisley may have such a circuit in his >> nice, online collection. >> >> I may use the rectifier anyway since I'd like to use one of the blinking >> LEDs for the top light. > > Seems we are thinking along the same line. I just bought three little > stepper motors on Amazon to try to do something in a more realistic > crossing gate using an Arduino. > > This is one of the best implementations I have seen: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkUpmoC-9s > > It certainly would be easy to adapt something similar to the water tank > and even have the Arduino pulse a regular red LED for the top. > > Another place that lends itself to the stepper would be the rotary > aircraft beacon. Replace the dimpled bulb with two high brightness > LED's and put a stepper in the bottom turning a rod. Just solidly > fasten the beacon to the rod and the stepper could turn it at whatever > speed you program. > > I also have a Raspberry Pi and since it uses Debian Linux as its > operating system, I am looking into doing more with it since I teach a > class using Debian Linux. Most of the programs for the Pi use Python > which is like an improved Basic so its not terribly difficult to figure > out the logic. > > George Cohn > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74198	From: frbpman	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car

Attachments : MTH S Club Car.jpg Hello folks,   My good friend and president of our South Jersey S-Gaugers club, Hank Worrell and I were overjoyed to receive our MTH Railroaders Club Car yesterday. Hank wrote a quick review for our club newsletter which I asked if I could post on the site(s). A photo is included. I concur, MTH has released a fine product. Cannot wait to see more. There goes the train budget (again).   Thanks and enjoy, Ken Palmer     First production car from MTH arrives at last.   I received my 2013 MTH Railroaders Club Car on February 4, 2014. This first in the S Gauge series of club cars is a Baltimore and Ohio Rebuilt Steel 40’ Box Car. It comes painted in silver and blue with a four color B & O Sentinel Service Logo. The printed graphics and paint are crisp and the car is packaged in a Blue and Red Box with a see-through window.   The following is a list of features from the 2013 MTH S-Gauge Catalog. Opening Doors, Separate Metal Grab Irons, Detailed Brake System, Die-Cast Sprung Metal Trucks, Metal Wheels and Axles, AF Compatible Couplers, S Scale Kadee Compatible Coupler Mounting Pads and operates on 20” Radius Curves.   Based on my sample, MTH has hit a home run for the S Gauge community.   Hank

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74199	From: afot7	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Smoke Fan Motor

Was a bad fan motor. Lionel parts shows diagonal screw motor. I had horizontal screw motor which was available. Thank you for the help. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > The fan is pulsed by the chuff switch and that drives the smoke unit PC > board that has a pulse circuit on it. > > It could be the PC board but most likely it is the motor. > > It is common for them to run under DC but not work when pulsed and that is > probably the problem. > > > > Carl > > > > > > _____ > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of afot7 > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:59 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Fan Motor > > > > > > A/F Challenger > > Smoke fan motor quit running. Removed fan motor and runs on 6V battery. > Replaced PCB/super smoke board. Still no running fan motor. > Does R4LC RCVR BRD control fan motor? > Mother board was replaced under warranty. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74200	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

I attached the loco to my Pennsy streamlined tender- it runs fine. Must be in the circuit board of the B & O tender. I will most likely hardwire it for DC operation. I am no electronics engineer and don't really care about the sound anyway. The mechanical chuffing sound is good enough for me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74201	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

Plug the old tender back in one more time just to make sure the plug connection is good. I have had intermittent connection act this way. May not be the problem but is quick to check.  On Feb 5, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote:   I attached the loco to my Pennsy streamlined tender- it runs fine. Must be in the circuit board of the B & O tender. I will most likely hardwire it for DC operation. I am no electronics engineer and don't really care about the sound anyway. The mechanical chuffing sound is good enough for me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74202	From: snstrains	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

Have you examined the pickup wires on the tender truck closely? I have had to repair quite a few of them on various AM locos. They are very fragile and bend out of shape easily.   Steve  Boise   In a message dated 2/5/2014 11:13:54 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes:   I attached the loco to my Pennsy streamlined tender- it runs fine. Must be in the circuit board of the B & O tender. I will most likely hardwire it for DC operation. I am no electronics engineer and don't really care about the sound anyway. The mechanical chuffing sound is good enough for me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74203	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

As I mentioned, I hooked another tender up tot the loco and it ran fine. I just now removed the circuit board and speaker and wired this loco/tender for DC. I had contacted Ron and he said it was a direct job- no worries about low voltage headlight or smoke unit. I just test-ran the unit and it runs great on DC- no hesitation and the stop/start is gone. I am all for the advancement of the hobby electronically, but this is the main reason I like my old school MECHANICAL AF units. When there is a problem, it is usually easy for a fool like me to diagnose and fix it. With a circuit board, I am completely out of my element. Bypassing it completely was easy for me and I am happy with my repair and to not have a sound system. To each his own. Glad all is well in B & O land again!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74204	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

You could also purchase a Dallee reverse unit so you could continue to run on AC and even add a Dallee sound unit.  I have done this on some AM DC engines I picked up at the TCA York meet.  They are really easy to install!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74205	From: bstilesaf	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: Problems wiht American Models Pacific loco

My layout is already wired so I can choose AC or DC operation on two of my three main lines. I actually prefer the toggle switch on the control panel to change directions...I was used to that with the HO trains growing up. No guess work...and itworks every time...without cycling through F/N/R. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74206	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car [1 Attachment]

MTH should open the "S" market all the way, as it did with "O" .     Frank R. EMIRO From: "kennypalmer44@..." <kennypalmer44@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car [1 Attachment]   Hello folks,   My good friend and president of our South Jersey S-Gaugers club, Hank Worrell and I were overjoyed to receive our MTH Railroaders Club Car yesterday. Hank wrote a quick review for our club newsletter which I asked if I could post on the site(s). A photo is included. I concur, MTH has released a fine product. Cannot wait to see more. There goes the train budget (again).   Thanks and enjoy, Ken Palmer     First production car from MTH arrives at last.   I received my 2013 MTH Railroaders Club Car on February 4, 2014. This first in the S Gauge series of club cars is a Baltimore and Ohio Rebuilt Steel 40’ Box Car. It comes painted in silver and blue with a four color B & O Sentinel Service Logo. The printed graphics and paint are crisp and the car is packaged in a Blue and Red Box with a see-through window.   The following is a list of features from the 2013 MTH S-Gauge Catalog. Opening Doors, Separate Metal Grab Irons, Detailed Brake System, Die-Cast Sprung Metal Trucks, Metal Wheels and Axles, AF Compatible Couplers, S Scale Kadee Compatible Coupler Mounting Pads and operates on 20” Radius Curves.   Based on my sample, MTH has hit a home run for the S Gauge community.   Hank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74207	From: The Reardon's	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car

 Wa-hoo! I haven't recieved my club car yet, (It may take a while to get up here into the woods of Maine) but I am excited to hear that MTH is now producing in "S" as we have anticipated. Pat, in Maine     ----- Original Message ----- From: frank emiro To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car     MTH should open the "S" market all the way, as it did with "O" .     Frank R. EMIRO From: "kennypalmer44@..." <kennypalmer44@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car [1 Attachment]   Hello folks,   My good friend and president of our South Jersey S-Gaugers club, Hank Worrell and I were overjoyed to receive our MTH Railroaders Club Car yesterday. Hank wrote a quick review for our club newsletter which I asked if I could post on the site(s). A photo is included. I concur, MTH has released a fine product. Cannot wait to see more. There goes the train budget (again).   Thanks and enjoy, Ken Palmer     First production car from MTH arrives at last.   I received my 2013 MTH Railroaders Club Car on February 4, 2014. This first in the S Gauge series of club cars is a Baltimore and Ohio Rebuilt Steel 40’ Box Car. It comes painted in silver and blue with a four color B & O Sentinel Service Logo. The printed graphics and paint are crisp and the car is packaged in a Blue and Red Box with a see-through window.   The following is a list of features from the 2013 MTH S-Gauge Catalog. Opening Doors, Separate Metal Grab Irons, Detailed Brake System, Die-Cast Sprung Metal Trucks, Metal Wheels and Axles, AF Compatible Couplers, S Scale Kadee Compatible Coupler Mounting Pads and operates on 20” Radius Curves.   Based on my sample, MTH has hit a home run for the S Gauge community.   Hank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74208	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: MTH CAR

MINE JUST CAME!!!!!!!!!!!! BOB CONNER

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74209	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/5/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West - More Details plus a correction

On page 29 of the latest edition of the Dispatch is an article about Flyer Fest West, scheduled to be hosted by the Golden Gate American Flyer Club on May 16th, 17th and 18th in San Mateo, CA The article states that a package deal of $150 includes one banquet dinner and registration plus a $20 voucher for a discount with any vendor. The $150 deal actually includes the following: Registration - $20 value 1 Banquet Dinner - $50 value 1 See's Candy Convention Car - $70 value 1 8 foot seller's table - Value $20 1 Discount Voucher - Value $20 Total value $180 Also, the deadline for the package deal has been extended to April 30, 2014 (must be postmarked by that date) Watch for further details on the club website www.ggafc.org Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74210	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE "Worst Winter Ever?"

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com I take a trip back to winters past to compare them with what so many people are saying about this winter.  Is THIS the "Worst Winter Ever?" Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74211	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car

It is a great looking car, BUT it does not have "Sprung Metal Trucks" as it says on the box. They are "solid" un-sprung trucks, at least on mine.  Now don't get upset, there is actually an article in the current Model Railroader that un-sprung trucks are superior for operation.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74212	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car

OK  Before too many responses....Yes my car has sprung trucks, but they don't really compress.  At least they don't when you press down on the top of the car.  It takes a lot of force, but they are real springs and they do move.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74213	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car

When? On Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:59 PM, George & Ruthanne Sorensen <rags46@...> wrote:   OK  Before too many responses....Yes my car has sprung trucks, but they don't really compress.  At least they don't when you press down on the top of the car.  It takes a lot of force, but they are real springs and they do move.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74214	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car

On , mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: When? On Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:59 PM, George & Ruthanne Sorensen <rags46@...> wrote:   OK  Before too many responses....Yes my car has sprung trucks, but they don't really compress.  At least they don't when you press down on the top of the car.  It takes a lot of force, but they are real springs and they do move.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74215	From: vu68	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car

Haven't gotten mine yet.  How did they ship, FEDEX, UPS, USPS ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74216	From: vu68	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car

Haven't gotten mine yet, how did they ship, FEDEX, USPS, UPS? John Zurad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74217	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/6/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car

MINE CAME FED X..... BOB From: "vu68@..." <vu68@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MTH Releases First S-Gauge Car   Haven't gotten mine yet, how did they ship, FEDEX, USPS, UPS? John Zurad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74218	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 2/7/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West Registration Form 2014

Attachments : Flyer Fest West Registration form Any questions: Don Matthies ( norcaltt@... )

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74219	From: reujan2000	Date: 2/8/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74220	From: robbyking13	Date: 2/8/2014
Subject: AF SOUTHERN PACIFIC Freight Set Ends On Ebay Today At 5:13 EST

Auction for AF SOUTHERN PACIFIC freight set ends on ebay today at 5:13 EST (2:13 Pacific).  It is a nine item freight set that includes the additional non-powered GP-9 and the silver boxcar.  I am the original owner and the set has never been run.   Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74221	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/8/2014
Subject: Re: AF SOUTHERN PACIFIC Freight Set Ends On Ebay Today At 5:13 EST

Robby, the item # would help, Mike   In a message dated 2/8/2014 9:50:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, robbyking@... writes:   Auction for AF SOUTHERN PACIFIC freight set ends on ebay today at 5:13 EST (2:13 Pacific).  It is a nine item freight set that includes the additional non-powered GP-9 and the silver boxcar.  I am the original owner and the set has never been run.   Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74222	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/8/2014
Subject: Re: AF SOUTHERN PACIFIC Freight Set Ends On Ebay Today At 5:13 EST

what is the bidding up to now? On Saturday, February 8, 2014 11:50 AM, "robbyking@..." <robbyking@...> wrote:   Auction for AF SOUTHERN PACIFIC freight set ends on ebay today at 5:13 EST (2:13 Pacific).  It is a nine item freight set that includes the additional non-powered GP-9 and the silver boxcar.  I am the original owner and the set has never been run.   Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74223	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/8/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/9/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 9, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74224	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/9/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/9/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 9, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74225	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 2/10/2014
Subject: Modified A&P Side Rods (Advertisement)

Attachments : A&P LBR Modified Side Rods-1.jpg As you can see by the photos we have modified a set of AF A&P side rods to function a whole lot smoother than the original ones did. More like the expensive Pacific & Hudson engines were in the day.      We can build these up for you at $19.99 per pair or if you furnish your own parts at $12.50 per pair which includes shipping in CONUS. LBR

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74226	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 2/10/2014
Subject: 2014 Spring Nor-Cal Cal Stewart Meet

Attachments : General Public Table Reservations.pdf The attached is the Registration Form for Table Reservations 2014 Spring Nor-Cal Cal Stewart Meet Toy & Train Expo 2014 March 1st & 2nd There is no pre-registration for people attending this year. Pay at the Door (cash only) $20/person at the door for Saturday & Sunday. $10/person at the door for Sunday  http://www.trainexpo.org/ See attached/ Mark C. Boyd Editor, Train Collectors Quarterly Nor-Cal TCA Division Secretary

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74227	From: snstrains	Date: 2/10/2014
Subject: Lehigh Valley Live Steam smoke fluid.

I have 10 bottles of the original Lehigh Valley Live Steam (LS2) S gauge smoke fluid for sale. Hasn't been made in a long time. Bottles are full with droppers. Contact me off list and make your offer for any or all.   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho 208-376-1159

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74228	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 2/11/2014
Subject: Looking For Geno for making parts

Contact Harwood,  need plastic part reproduced.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74229	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/11/2014
Subject: For Sale: Nicely Matched set of four Gilbert 96x red-striped streaml

These are the cars that came in the much-loved Santa Fe set. All couplers work. No breaks or cracks in bodies. Clean wheels & bodies. Lettering & windows excellent. Little playwear & few scratches. Tiny touchups in red stripes. Tiny rust spots along rib under vista dome; none on other cars. Very nice looking set; you have to be looking for the defects to notice them. C-5 to C-6 condition depending on how much of a stickler you are. Pictures available on request.   Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74230	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: MTH Club Car

Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74231	From: trndad	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Still waiting on mine here in Virginia. Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74232	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

I haven't either. Two members of our club have theirs, so I know they have reached the west coast. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:46 AM, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote:    Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74233	From: jhannawald	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Joe,   I haven’t gotten mine yet but I did get a notice to renew my club membership   Jim Hannawald   From: Joseph Haenn Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:07 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] MTH Club Car     Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago.   Joe   Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74234	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Hi Joe, Mine arrived via FedEx last week while I was traveling. It does have springs in the trucks, but, I have been unable to get them to move. I suspect that some of the paint was not quite dry and that they would start to move if I applied enough pressure. Don't plan to do that just yet. The car looks real good with sharp graphics. I have not yet found any indication that it is a car from the MTHRRC series. Perhaps someone else has. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 2/12/2014 11:07 AM, Joseph Haenn wrote:  Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74235	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement)

Attachments : #SV021214-1A.jpg Well, we finally have the Vanderbilt tender water tank shell ready to sell. These shells are machine milled from heavy duty thick walled plastic and sized to fit comfortably a pre-1966 AF tender chassis. Now all you need is a junk AF tender that will donate the coal bunker end and you off to the races.      These shells are a trim to fit item and measure approx. 5.25 inches long so you can make a VANDY TENDER up to 8" long.      Let your imagination go wild of do a custom tender using old photos, etc.           http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1392236086810 Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS. LBR P.S. - We may have some new "S" plastic people in our future if all goes well with another of our new vendors.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74236	From: tennsgauger	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Other than being able to order the special car, do those of you who are members feel like they have received extra value by being a member of the MTH Club?     -  Earl Henry, Nashville       In a message dated 2/12/2014 12:00:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, wpporter@... writes:   Hi Joe, Mine arrived via FedEx last week while I was traveling. It does have springs in the trucks, but, I have been unable to get them to move. I suspect that some of the paint was not quite dry and that they would start to move if I applied enough pressure. Don't plan to do that just yet. The car looks real good with sharp graphics. I have not yet found any indication that it is a car from the MTHRRC series. Perhaps someone else has. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 2/12/2014 11:07 AM, Joseph Haenn wrote:  Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74237	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Hi Earl, I do. I like receiving paper copies of the catalogs. In the past, I have used their track planning software and hope to do so again. My layout has both MTH O-Gauge track and Flyer stuff. That disk is right in my wheelhouse when I am planning. Those things are a plus for me. I also have quite a collection of cloisonne pins - a few TTOS and mostly Disney. So, that little annual pin is another small plus. When I was a member for Standard Gauge a few years back, I received their "Crossing Gate" publication. Still waiting to see if that shows up with this membership. It was pleasant. One reason I joined is a bit more intangible. I miss SHS. By joining, I hoped to add some positive pressure to keep the line alive. My shelves are pretty full of cars and locos. Buying a bunch more is not likely for me. The annual car via the subscription route is most of what I plan on investing at my age. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 2/12/2014 3:00 PM, tennsgauge@... wrote: Other than being able to order the special car, do those of you who are members feel like they have received extra value by being a member of the MTH Club? �� �� -�� Earl Henry, Nashville ��

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74238	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

I have not received mine, either. I live in New Hampshire.     In a message dated 2/12/2014 11:45:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes:    Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74239	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

I received mine today.  I think it it nicely done.   I agree with Bill.  I joined to show support for the S gauge line-up in hopes of encouraging MTH to continue and expand.  Based on this car I will buy more. Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:28 PM, "UNLV666@..." <UNLV666@...> wrote:   I have not received mine, either. I live in New Hampshire.     In a message dated 2/12/2014 11:45:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes:    Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74240	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

No.   In a message dated 2/12/2014 3:35:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes:   Other than being able to order the special car, do those of you who are members feel like they have received extra value by being a member of the MTH Club?     -  Earl Henry, Nashville       In a message dated 2/12/2014 12:00:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, wpporter@... writes:   Hi Joe, Mine arrived via FedEx last week while I was traveling. It does have springs in the trucks, but, I have been unable to get them to move. I suspect that some of the paint was not quite dry and that they would start to move if I applied enough pressure. Don't plan to do that just yet. The car looks real good with sharp graphics. I have not yet found any indication that it is a car from the MTHRRC series. Perhaps someone else has. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 2/12/2014 11:07 AM, Joseph Haenn wrote:  Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74241	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

I GOT MINE LAST WEEK....... JOINED TO SUPPORT THE EFFORTS...... WOULD LIKE THE CHRISTMAS CAR..... ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN FIND ONE AT A GOOD DISCOUNT? CHECKED MY SPRINGS..... YES THEY ARE THERE AND I TRIED TO FLEX THEM..... AFRAID TO PUT TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON THEM..... OK LIKE IT IS..... BOB CONNER From: NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Club Car   I received mine today.  I think it it nicely done.   I agree with Bill.  I joined to show support for the S gauge line-up in hopes of encouraging MTH to continue and expand.  Based on this car I will buy more. Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:28 PM, "UNLV666@..." <UNLV666@...> wrote:   I have not received mine, either. I live in New Hampshire.     In a message dated 2/12/2014 11:45:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes:    Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74242	From: The Reardon's	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

 Still waiting for my club car, but I joined primarily to "put my money where my Mouth is", and lend support to any company willing to keep up the SHS legacy.  In "S" gauge, we are so (relatively) few, that I want to help with whatever little I can afford to keep it moving forward.  So, yes, I do feel like the returns on my membership is definitely worth the little I can contribute. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Club Car   I GOT MINE LAST WEEK....... JOINED TO SUPPORT THE EFFORTS...... WOULD LIKE THE CHRISTMAS CAR..... ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN FIND ONE AT A GOOD DISCOUNT? CHECKED MY SPRINGS..... YES THEY ARE THERE AND I TRIED TO FLEX THEM..... AFRAID TO PUT TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON THEM..... OK LIKE IT IS..... BOB CONNER From: NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Club Car   I received mine today.  I think it it nicely done.   I agree with Bill.  I joined to show support for the S gauge line-up in hopes of encouraging MTH to continue and expand.  Based on this car I will buy more. Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:28 PM, "UNLV666@..." <UNLV666@...> wrote:   I have not received mine, either. I live in New Hampshire.     In a message dated 2/12/2014 11:45:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes:    Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74243	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

I have been a member of several manufacturer train clubs, and the only one I thought that was a good value was the K-line club. With the intro membership of whatever piddlin amount it was, I received a GG-1. O gauge of course. But I sold it NIB and make $100 on the deal. Roy Inman From: <UNLV666@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:18:41 -0500 (EST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Club Car            No.   In a message dated 2/12/2014 3:35:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes:        Other than being able to order the special car, do those of you who are  members feel like they have received extra value by being a member of the MTH  Club?         -  Earl Henry, Nashville                 In a message dated 2/12/2014 12:00:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,  wpporter@... writes:          Hi Joe, Mine arrived via FedEx last week  while I was traveling. It does have springs in the trucks, but, I have been  unable to get them to move. I suspect that some of the paint was not quite  dry and that they would start to move if I applied enough pressure. Don't  plan to do that just yet. The car looks real good with sharp  graphics. I have not yet found any indication that it is a car from the  MTHRRC series. Perhaps someone else has. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 2/12/2014 11:07 AM, Joseph Haenn  wrote:      Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH  S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago.     Joe     Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road   Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613   ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center #########   ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74244	From: rick gough	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement) [1 Attachment]

Hey Dave,   Can you do up a custom set of decals for my custom 732 freight passenger car?   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement) [1 Attachment]   Well, we finally have the Vanderbilt tender water tank shell ready to sell. These shells are machine milled from heavy duty thick walled plastic and sized to fit comfortably a pre-1966 AF tender chassis. Now all you need is a junk AF tender that will donate the coal bunker end and you off to the races.      These shells are a trim to fit item and measure approx. 5.25 inches long so you can make a VANDY TENDER up to 8" long.      Let your imagination go wild of do a custom tender using old photos, etc.           http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1392236086810 Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS. LBR P.S. - We may have some new "S" plastic people in our future if all goes well with another of our new vendors.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74245	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: Looking For Geno for making parts

Hi Harwood,                    I'm in the process of making plastic parts. Contact me offsite seccia@...                                  Tom Seccia On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:42 PM, "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> wrote:   Contact Harwood,  need plastic part reproduced.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74246	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/12/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Don't mean to ask a stupid question but could someone please inform me as to what the MTH train club is all about, what it costs and what type discount you get on the cars and how often they are offered.                               Bob                          in Kalispell   From: preardon@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 20:42:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Club Car    Still waiting for my club car, but I joined primarily to "put my money where my Mouth is", and lend support to any company willing to keep up the SHS legacy.  In "S" gauge, we are so (relatively) few, that I want to help with whatever little I can afford to keep it moving forward.  So, yes, I do feel like the returns on my membership is definitely worth the little I can contribute. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Club Car   I GOT MINE LAST WEEK....... JOINED TO SUPPORT THE EFFORTS...... WOULD LIKE THE CHRISTMAS CAR..... ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN FIND ONE AT A GOOD DISCOUNT? CHECKED MY SPRINGS..... YES THEY ARE THERE AND I TRIED TO FLEX THEM..... AFRAID TO PUT TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON THEM..... OK LIKE IT IS..... BOB CONNER From: NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Club Car   I received mine today.  I think it it nicely done.   I agree with Bill.  I joined to show support for the S gauge line-up in hopes of encouraging MTH to continue and expand.  Based on this car I will buy more. Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:28 PM, "UNLV666@..." <UNLV666@...> wrote:   I have not received mine, either. I live in New Hampshire.     In a message dated 2/12/2014 11:45:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes:    Anyone else besides me who has not yet received their 2013 MTH S Gauge Club car? I know many of you got them 2 weeks ago. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74247	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement)

Probably. What do you need? On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:52 PM, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:   Hey Dave,   Can you do up a custom set of decals for my custom 732 freight passenger car?   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement) [1 Attachment]   Well, we finally have the Vanderbilt tender water tank shell ready to sell. These shells are machine milled from heavy duty thick walled plastic and sized to fit comfortably a pre-1966 AF tender chassis. Now all you need is a junk AF tender that will donate the coal bunker end and you off to the races.      These shells are a trim to fit item and measure approx. 5.25 inches long so you can make a VANDY TENDER up to 8" long.      Let your imagination go wild of do a custom tender using old photos, etc.           http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1392236086810 Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS. LBR P.S. - We may have some new "S" plastic people in our future if all goes well with another of our new vendors.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74248	From: texas0717	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: Lookin for S gauge in Fla

Hi Guys.... Well, I got a chance to visit the H&R Train shop. Sorry to say, not much there that I don't already have. I did pick up some MTH Smoke liquid and some Lionel Fast Trac to play around with.  Yes, Mike I did check Sguagian.  There is apparently a shop over in Port Orange that also carries a lot of S guage. Not sure that I am going to get over there this time around. Anyway we still had a chance to enjoy Sunshine, beaches, and a lot of good food. Also checked out a few flea markets. But really enjoyed our visit to the Tampa/Clearwater area...  Looking forward to coming back next year... Thanks again for all your input... Laurin.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74249	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Danica Question"

Yep, once again "off topic" for train only folks, but with NASCAR starting up for another season and Richard Petty saying something less than flattering about Ms. Patrick over the weekend, it was time for me to look into this story.  You'll find it at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  on page 4.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74250	From: trndad	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Bob, I just uploaded to "Files" a copy of the MHT catalog back cover that describes the club benefits.  I joined at York a couple shows back and I don't recall the cost, but I'm thinking it was in the $60-75 range.  So far I have received a catalog and their track plannig software in the mail along with a membership card and pin.  I get regular emails from them, but so far no discounts, no club car, and no club magazine.  I figure once their S products start arriving and become readily available they will begin offering discounts.    Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74251	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Start with: http://mthtrains.com/content/mthrrc-club Not really much of a discount. The list price for the 2014 ore car is $59.95. The membership costs $55. You would also receive other things that might be of value to you. As I look at the MTH site, those prices, savings and goodies appear to be the same for 2013 and it is still available. The manufacturers have these club-like purchase programs to promote their lines and to (normally) offer cars that are not otherwise available. There are no meetings, minutes, committees or elections in these clubs. It is a way to transfer stuff to the members and money to the company. Some like them and some don't. I was a member of the MTH Standard Gauge club from its inception until I had acquired a long freight train. When the club offering changed from replica 200-series (the larger ones) to replica 500-series cars, I stopped. That big purple train is a treat for me. So far, I am happy with my 2013 car and membership. Since I have a string of SHS ore cars, I expect I will re-up for 2014 with MTHRRC. Some years back, I also was able to buy a PS-2 conversion kit at a discount because of my membership. I used that stuff to upgrade an O-Gauge loco for a friend. MTH also offers memberships in each of their product lines at differing prices. I see that the 2013 and 2014 Standard Gauge cars are more 200-series. Look a lot like repeats to me. I hope to resist them. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 2/12/2014 11:44 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: Don't mean to��ask a stupid question but could someone please inform me as to��what the MTH train club is all about, what it costs and what type discount you get on the cars and how often they are offered. ���������������������������������������������������������� Bob ������������������������������������������������ in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74252	From: Jim Eberhardy	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

No sign of the club car in Northern Wis.   Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74253	From: Roger Dumas	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: MTH S Cars

 For your information:   The first of the new boxcars are beginning to reach the market.  So far 2-NH Boxcars, 2-B&M Boxcars, and the 2013 Christmas car have shown up.   Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74254	From: nycnkperie	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Still have not received mine as today (Feb 13th) ......I knew from reading the list that several people had received theirs over a week ago .....I Emailed MTH on the 11th asking about the status of my club car ....but still have not gotten word back from them.  Have to say I do feel a little better knowing I’m not the only one still waiting on my car to arrive.     As for the value of the club ..... I’m happy with what I got (provided my club car does show up eventually) for the $55 I got a car that would retail for about $4 more along with free shipping of said car and with the current price to mail items ......that’s a nice bit of additional savings.   Also received a whole bunch of MTH catalogs ....true most pertain to  stuff other then “S”  ....but even though “S” is where my heart is ...well heck I like trains ......so they have been nice to flip through.    Matt Ward North Canton, Ohio   Sent from Windows Mail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74255	From: herbw202	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Someone on the OTR S gauge board said he was told by MTH that they hope to complete shipping by the end of this week. Herb Wasserman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74256	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

Thanks Dean, I have to check it out. lololo I have about all my memberships coming due shortly. NASG, NPRHA and S Gaugian . All coming due lololololol                                                                                               Bob From: trndad@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:18:24 -0800 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] MTH Club Car   Bob, I just uploaded to "Files" a copy of the MHT catalog back cover that describes the club benefits.  I joined at York a couple shows back and I don't recall the cost, but I'm thinking it was in the $60-75 range.  So far I have received a catalog and their track plannig software in the mail along with a membership card and pin.  I get regular emails from them, but so far no discounts, no club car, and no club magazine.  I figure once their S products start arriving and become readily available they will begin offering discounts.    Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74257	From: rick gough	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement)

To left of doors: RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY To right of doors:  NEW HAVEN Number:  732 four corners Color:  White Size: 3/16" High   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement)   Probably. What do you need? On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:52 PM, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:   Hey Dave,   Can you do up a custom set of decals for my custom 732 freight passenger car?   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement) [1 Attachment]   Well, we finally have the Vanderbilt tender water tank shell ready to sell. These shells are machine milled from heavy duty thick walled plastic and sized to fit comfortably a pre-1966 AF tender chassis. Now all you need is a junk AF tender that will donate the coal bunker end and you off to the races.      These shells are a trim to fit item and measure approx. 5.25 inches long so you can make a VANDY TENDER up to 8" long.      Let your imagination go wild of do a custom tender using old photos, etc.           http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1392236086810 Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS. LBR P.S. - We may have some new "S" plastic people in our future if all goes well with another of our new vendors.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74258	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/13/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club Car

not sure.  could have missed mine. On Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:38 PM, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:   Thanks Dean, I have to check it out. lololo I have about all my memberships coming due shortly. NASG, NPRHA and S Gaugian . All coming due lololololol                                                                                               Bob From: trndad@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:18:24 -0800 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] MTH Club Car   Bob, I just uploaded to "Files" a copy of the MHT catalog back cover that describes the club benefits.  I joined at York a couple shows back and I don't recall the cost, but I'm thinking it was in the $60-75 range.  So far I have received a catalog and their track plannig software in the mail along with a membership card and pin.  I get regular emails from them, but so far no discounts, no club car, and no club magazine.  I figure once their S products start arriving and become readily available they will begin offering discounts.    Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74259	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: Re: VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement)

Do you want everything at 3/16" or just the text with the numbers smaller? On Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:11 PM, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:   To left of doors: RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY To right of doors:  NEW HAVEN Number:  732 four corners Color:  White Size: 3/16" High   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement)   Probably. What do you need? On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:52 PM, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote:   Hey Dave,   Can you do up a custom set of decals for my custom 732 freight passenger car?   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] VANDERBILT Tender Water Tank (Advertisement) [1 Attachment]   Well, we finally have the Vanderbilt tender water tank shell ready to sell. These shells are machine milled from heavy duty thick walled plastic and sized to fit comfortably a pre-1966 AF tender chassis. Now all you need is a junk AF tender that will donate the coal bunker end and you off to the races.      These shells are a trim to fit item and measure approx. 5.25 inches long so you can make a VANDY TENDER up to 8" long.      Let your imagination go wild of do a custom tender using old photos, etc.           http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1392236086810 Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS. LBR P.S. - We may have some new "S" plastic people in our future if all goes well with another of our new vendors.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74260	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: American Models Track

From an inside source I just learned   "Found the tooling for 21 inch and 24 inch radius track! We have been looking for it for a year and a half."   Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74261	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Track

Attachments : And this is supposed to mean what?  I assume there has been a short supply?  I do not use it…so I guess I was out of the loop.   Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Track     From an inside source I just learned   "Found the tooling for 21 inch and 24 inch radius track! We have been looking for it for a year and a half."   Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74262	From: guildt100	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Track

Awesome! Mark in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74263	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: For sale: American Flyer by Lionel engine & cars

Prices shown are estimated book value adjusted for condition, not hard and fast asking prices. I sell everything on a make-offer basis; make me an offer I can't refuse! 48001 Illinois Central GP-20 mint condition $175 49605 Three-car New Haven orange-stripe streamliner set mint condition $180 48943 New Haven orange-stripe dining car mint condition $65 9507 Observation car with some melt marks near the roof line on the right side; left side is beautiful. $20 9208 ATSF covered Hopper: two in mint condition at $29 each and two that appear to have been run only just a little bit; like new condition $26 And there's lots more on the for-sale pages of my website.   Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74264	From: traindavid	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: MTH Club & Club car

Hi all, Well, with all this talk about the club car, and the 2014 offering, I got worried and telephoned MTH. A very nice woman took my call, checked on my membership status, which was/is current. This was Wednesday, and she said they were packaging the cars right then and would be shipping them in the next few days. She was surprised that anyone had already received theirs. Also, membership renewal date is one year after you joined, so everyone doesn't renew at the same time. I asked how come some folks know what the 2014 car is going to be, and she mentioned that it was listed on an 0 gauge catalog; so not to worry, those of us who don't know such things are not lost in the filing system. So I guess the word is, "Patience, Grasshopper." Time to go practice walking on the rice paper! :) David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74265	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/14/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club & Club car

They are nice. The 2014 car is listed on the MTH web site. http://www.mthtrains.com/mthrrc/membership/purchase There you can see 2013 and 2014 car choices for the various memberships. A little hard to see details. It is an ore car and the car body is dull yellow. Bill (not getting any commission) Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 2/14/2014 3:16 PM, djdewey@... wrote: > Hi all, > Well, with all this talk about the club car, and the 2014 offering, I got > worried and telephoned MTH. A very nice woman took my call, checked on my > membership status, which was/is current. This was Wednesday, and she said > they were packaging the cars right then and would be shipping them in the > next few days. She was surprised that anyone had already received theirs. > Also, membership renewal date is one year after you joined, so everyone > doesn't renew at the same time. I asked how come some folks know what the > 2014 car is going to be, and she mentioned that it was listed on an 0 gauge > catalog; so not to worry, those of us who don't know such things are not > lost in the filing system. > So I guess the word is, "Patience, Grasshopper." > Time to go practice walking on the rice paper! > :) > David D. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74266	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/15/2014
Subject: (no subject)

Any one coming to the Train show March 1 & 2 in Denver, that is interested in a # 481 Silver Flash A unit single motor from a 1956 fright set by Gilbert & a # ( 48128 ) 480 B unit by Lionel, both units in Excellent condition, no boxes. both $300.00. I have had very bad luck with shipping, so don't ship any thing. You can run it and hear the diesel roar, I get the cash money. Jerry TCA 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ NetZero now offers 4G mobile broadband. Sign up now. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74267	From: reujan2000	Date: 2/15/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74268	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/15/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/16/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 16, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74269	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/16/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/16/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 16, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74270	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: Re: Looking For Geno for making parts

what part do you need , please be specific 1-301-241-3061 home number Gino  Restivo sorry I do not care for ssstrains you owe me money.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74271	From: reujan2000	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: SPECIAL ONE DAY AUCTIONS (Advertisement)

As you all already know we ("Bid-Sales") now have two day auctions on most every week end that is open to all on the yahoo lists and we do notify you all through these lists. We thank you for your growing interest in these auctions.      We are now adding "SPECIAL ONE DAY AUCTIONS" that will not be on a regular basis and will not be mentioned on the yahoo groups. "S" hobbyists will only be notified by us from our client list at CHIMP MAIL so anyone interested in these sporadic auctions really need to go to our web site today at www.lbrenterprisesllc.com and sign up for our mailing list.      Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. LBR P.S. - We have our FIRST SPECIAL ONE DAY AUCTION coming up some time this week ;o)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74272	From: wb4hay	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: Tsunami Leds

When you install a LED in the Tsunami decoder and plan to use the Mars Light function, do you use just a regulat LED or is there a special one??? Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74273	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: Thomas Tank Conversion

I am working on converting a Lionel Thomas set to S for our club layout. The two cars have almost been converted to S. I just have to make some shell adjustment for the wheels to roll freely. What I need is some help with converting the loco to S. I have heard of some using a docksider chassis. I would appreciate any advise or links that would keep me from "reinventing the wheel." I realize that this does not looks scale but it is for entertainment value with the kids who come to the shows. Any help is greatly appreciated. Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74274	From: mike gardner	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: 26671 track trip

Does anyone have the instructions for a 26671 track trip?  have one and would like to use it to run two trains on one track. My Thanks to anyone that answers !! Thank You Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74275	From: raulf.polichar	Date: 2/17/2014
Subject: Re: Tsunami Led's

At the San Diego S Gaugers, we have installed LEDs with Tsunami decoders on several engines. Standard LEDs with a dropping resistor work just fine even for a Mars or Gyrolite application. Raulf Polichar ---- wb4hay@... wrote: > When you install a LED in the Tsunami decoder and plan to use the Mars Light function, do you use just a regulat LED or is there a special one??? > > Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74276	From: srjaynes	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Re: 26671 track trip

MIke, I sent you PDFs of both the 26671 & 26672.  I also posted them in the FILES section of the S-Sale and S-Gauge group.  They aren't great, but they are legible.  Hope they help.  They we graciously provided to me by another Yahoo member. Steve Jaynes Portland, OR AF user since 1954

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74277	From: trndad	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Re: Thomas Tank Conversion

John:   The Tidewater Division of the Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers built a Thomas engine cab that attaches to our modular layout and in which kids can sit and control a Thomas engine circling a small separate oval of track, placed near one corner of the layout or sometimes separate from the main layout (See the Tidewater Division's Recent Shows section of http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/).   We first used a Thomas engine sold by Putt, but it was grossly undersized, although it ran for many miles over the years.  We next obtained a Lionel Thomas set and put the Thomas body on a Flyonel Docksider chassis.  As I recall that worked well, and we had even installed a camera in the nose that projected on a small screen in the Thomas cab.    I am not altogether sure why, but in time we replaced that version with a stock Lionel Thomas set running on three-rail Lionel FastTrack.  It is nearly bullet-proof and gets many hours of almost non-stop run time each show.   If you already have the set and have converted the cars to "S", I would go with using a Flyonel Docksider for the guts.  They run well and with some modification to the smoke unit will smoke up a storm as well.    On a side note, I once built a Thomas engine using a Thomas engine-shaped whistle made by Schylling for the body and a modified Flyer Casey Jones type chassis for the running gear with a 21168 smoke unit installed.  It worked, but did not run very smoothly.  Would be willing to post some pics if anyone is interested.   Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74278	From: sralott2002	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Chester Cars

At the convention in Scranton last year, I spoke w/ a member from Delaware who was interested in short Chester cars...  I've lost your contact information.  Would you please contact me off line.  Thanks!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74279	From: mike gardner	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Re: 26671 track trip

I received the file (PDF) and it is what I needed THANK YOU for sending it . Mike Gardner On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:01 AM, "srjaynes@..." <srjaynes@...> wrote:   MIke, I sent you PDFs of both the 26671 & 26672.  I also posted them in the FILES section of the S-Sale and S-Gauge group.  They aren't great, but they are legible.  Hope they help.  They we graciously provided to me by another Yahoo member. Steve Jaynes Portland, OR AF user since 1954

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74280	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Re: Looking For Geno for making parts

to harwood owings, please e-mail me AT-- Ghost3141@... ,please be specific in your needed part

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74281	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: plastic parts needed

Gino Restivo here ,hi all....I have been making flyer "s' PARTS SINCE THE MID 70'S, WHEN NOBODY HAD ANY FOR SALE,  * ( HARWOOD SEND E-MAIL HERE Ghost3141@...) SHEET METAL,CAST ,DIECAST, INJECTION MOLDED, ETC,ETC..........RECENTLY MOVED TO CASCADE,MD , up the street from old Fort Ritchie, can not find last parts list since moving, sorry...working on new one while snow is melting, thank you ,God ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74282	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/18/2014
Subject: Re: plastic parts needed

ok On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:13 PM, "ghost3141@..." <ghost3141@...> wrote:   Gino Restivo here ,hi all....I have been making flyer "s' PARTS SINCE THE MID 70'S, WHEN NOBODY HAD ANY FOR SALE,  * ( HARWOOD SEND E-MAIL HERE Ghost3141@...) SHEET METAL,CAST ,DIECAST, INJECTION MOLDED, ETC,ETC..........RECENTLY MOVED TO CASCADE,MD , up the street from old Fort Ritchie, can not find last parts list since moving, sorry...working on new one while snow is melting, thank you ,God ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74283	From: lx5043	Date: 2/19/2014
Subject: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators

Does any one know exactly what material fiber was used in the making of the original American Flyer track tie insulators? I'm cleaning off quite a bit of old track but it suddenly dawned on me that this material might be asbestos? I'm hoping its not but does anyone know what it is?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74284	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "China and American Hobbyists"

Today on page 5 of  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we take up the forced relationship between "China and American Hobbyists."  It looks like the "glory days" of Chinese hobby manufacturing are coming to an end, and a few people saw this coming years ago. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74285	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators

At its most basic level, it is cardboard.  Pieces cut from old cereal boxes make an adequate replacement.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74286	From: traindavid	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators

John, It's pressed paper, cheap, inexpensive, and commonly used at the time for insulating electronic components. I believe it was also called "fish paper". AFIK, there is no "Non-conforming fibrous insulating material" in them. We do try to avoid the use of the "A" word around here; you never know when the NSA is listening in! I used to replace bad ones with pieces cut from the cardboard trays found in candy bars--do they still package candy bars that way?--been a long time since I bought a candy bar!! S' David Dewey PS Just because I sound paranoid, doesn't mean I'm wrong!!! :) Message ________________________________________________________________________ 1. Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators Posted by: johnpalm@... lx5043 Date: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:53 am ((PST)) Does any one know exactly what material fiber was used in the making of the original American Flyer track tie insulators? I'm cleaning off quite a bit of old track but it suddenly dawned on me that this material might be asbestos? I'm hoping its not but does anyone know what it is?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74287	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators

On 2/20/2014 8:26 AM, Victor Bereskin wrote: > At its most basic level, it is cardboard. Pieces cut from old cereal > boxes make an adequate replacement. Or visit your local auto parts store and ask for a roll of gasket material, It comes in various thicknesses and looks almost identical. And no, it does not contain asbestos anymore. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74288	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators

Or see if you can find a couple of those old fashioned olive green file dividers. Tons of good, durable cardboard in them. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:59:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators   On 2/20/2014 8:26 AM, Victor Bereskin wrote: > At its most basic level, it is cardboard. Pieces cut from old cereal > boxes make an adequate replacement. Or visit your local auto parts store and ask for a roll of gasket material, It comes in various thicknesses and looks almost identical. And no, it does not contain asbestos anymore. George Cohn ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74289	From: jfred436	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club & Club car

I just got my 2013 car today Thursday, 20, Feb, 2014. It looks good, and I have re-uped to get the ore car that is to be the 2014 car, jfred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74290	From: bruce weidner	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Club & Club car

Same here, really like the great detail and paint scheme wire handrails great looking car.   As far as doing more I will have to get a locomotive to judge that statement. The rolling stock is great looking so far, will run it with AF and AM and Flyonel locos on AM track and gargraves track to see how well it stays on track. Will report when I get around to playing with the new train car. From: "jfred436@..." <jfred436@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Club & Club car   I just got my 2013 car today Thursday, 20, Feb, 2014. It looks good, and I have re-uped to get the ore car that is to be the 2014 car, jfred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74291	From: Sam & Peggy	Date: 2/20/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators

I have several hundred used items.  How many do you need?   From: vbereskin@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:26:05 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators   At its most basic level, it is cardboard.  Pieces cut from old cereal boxes make an adequate replacement.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74292	From: Eric	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Feb 20 SHS items For Sale

February 20, 2014    I am thinning some of my personal collection literally due to lack of track space.   Please note that everything is in its original box with foam and with American Flyer style Knuckle couplers and high rail wheels.   The original scale wheels and spacers are in the box. I do have some SHS kadee style couplers I could add for an extra cost.   A 14 of these SHS cars are like new. I don’t think any have been run but they may have been displayed.  I do not see any issues on any of them.    01017 Century Beer 4600 refer   $55  02110 GN orn/grn box #4 2524   $45  01275 wilsons  milk refer 17500   $55  01268 GN caboose #3 -  x103     $45  01269 GN caboose #4 – x104     $45  01946 SFRD #3 refer 25963        $55  01516 curve beer refer 1995        $55  00334 GN bulkhead flat WC load 60403   $45  01830 Carling refer black label 809   $60   01953 Silver springs refer #1  ssbx707  $60   01951  PFE oval refer UP #1  11007  $60   01000  PFE refer UP/SP  91022  $60   00506 Chateau Martin Refer  140  $60   00801 Bordens cheese refer  85353  $60   That totals to $760 plus shipping of $20.  And I will reduce to $725 for all shipped   15.  I have 12 of the ore car loads for the SHS ore cars. These are the red oxide color. 10 are like new,  2 are a bit beat up.    $5 each., $50 for all.     Ericrhere(at)gmail.com   Make me an offer !    Add postage - USPS which has gotten more expensive. Individual cars cost about $7 to ship but multiples are not that much more. Buy a bunch and we can negotiate shipping.   Thanks, Eric Reis,    Kenmore, WA.  98028 TCA since 1987,  NASG since 1988

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74293	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Carl Tuveson's layout on I Love Toy Trains

My DVR recorded a segment of I Love Toy Trains on RFD (345 on DirecTV) that contains the segment on Carl Tuveson's  layout.  It is not listed accurately on the Guide though, so you might not have caught it. I mention this because it will air again in about 3 hours at 11 pm Pacific or 2 am Eastern time, so you can set your DVR to capture it.  Hopefully this will get posted in time for you to record it. Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74294	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators

Ihav found this paper years ago it is called fish papar it was sol to mming co's the place and name I do not remember was is over in east balto sorry I do not remember the name but it was back down towrd balto from gar-ron plastic's, may be under new name you had to turn right to get to it, comes in very large sheet ,and quite expensieback in the 70/80's, another company in that area sold me the last material they had for cattle loader's, etc,told me it hasn't bee made in 20 years back then, string for cranes,etc is 50# bait casting line in black use the info wisely, you may find some of it you are lucky your all welcome, Gino Restivo ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <johnpalm@...> wrote: Does any one know exactly what material fiber was used in the making of the original American Flyer track tie insulators? I'm cleaning off quite a bit of old track but it suddenly dawned on me that this material might be asbestos? I'm hoping its not but does anyone know what it is?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74295	From: wmonaghan	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: shs nw-2

Does anyone have an undecorated hirail shs nw-2 with locomatic they want to sell? Willy Monaghan wsmonaghan@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74296	From: lx5043	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators

Thank you to all who replied, I certainly feel better knowing it is not what I thought it might have been. To add to the conversation about the insulators, old cereal boxes certainly sound cheap and easy to work with. I have been using cut strips of translucent milk cartons. They work well, seem impervious to water and oils, fold under the rails fairly easily and best of all like cardboard are free.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74297	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: New Event, 3/1/2014, 9:00 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   New Event   Date:   Saturday March 1, 2014 Time:   9:00 am - 4:00 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   Santa Clara Convention Center, Santa Clara, CA Notes:   2014 Spring Nor-Cal Cal Stewart Meet Toy & Train Expo 2014 March 1st & 2nd There is no pre-registration for people attending this year Pay at the Door (cash only) $20/person at the door for Saturday & Sunday. $10/person at the door for Sunday www.TrainExpo.org   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74298	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: New product announcement - PFE Ice platform

Al Castellani and I have been working together for almost a year now developing this PFE icing station. http://tinyurl.com/kzj89yy It is based on real PFE drawings.   With its included ice carts, ice blocks, LED lamps the length of the model spotted of the correct hatch intervals, it is far superior to ANY model ice platform released I dare say in ANY scale.   Al is now taking orders.   The basic kit is 3 sections with the center section available separately to expand its length. Further it looks like a continuous platform, not separate 12” long sections. The platform height is set based on currently available S Scale reefers with the dock sitting flat on the deck using Tomalco code 100 track also flat on the deck without roadbed. Still the individual legs having collars that will help cover slight irregularities in your layout deck.   An ice house has not been developed yet. Al wants to sell the platform kits first before making the ice house. Without sufficient platform sales there might not be an ice house made.   Contact Al directly – (Not me!) with any questions or orders. al@...    Finally the delay in the C&O stock car kit has been ME. Some progress has been made. I finished the Solidworks designs for the needed detail parts this week. We are reviewing them now before proceeding with production.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74299	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Ride in deteriorated neighborhood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq0xorh4zXc&list=PLD6412187EE7DE0CA&feature=c4-overview-vl This is in Sao Paulo and there are numerous ideas for structures for all gauges. Slow ride in part through burned out industrial area. The Metropolis! Tony Cynor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74300	From: lx5043	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Re: Original American Flyer Track Tie Insulators

Thank you for inspiring me with the term "fish paper". I did a little research and found out it is also called "vulcanized fiber" as well and is still being manufactured for the restoration of older electronics. I was able to purchase a small amount on eBay. For about $10 I purchase 20 3"x5" sheets and I'm sure that will last me a lifetime, but it is the exact insulator material used in the American Flyer track ties. You can purchase larger quantities from an electronics company, VETCO at vetco.net , the prices there are very good but shipping is a little high. Hope this helps anyone restoring old track.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74301	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Re: Looking For Geno for making parts

when you have been making parts as long as I have then you can brag about making parts, Gino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74302	From: Eric	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: Re: Feb 20 SHS items For Sale

I have sold all of the cars I listed last evening, thanks eric On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Eric <ericrhere@...> wrote: February 20, 2014    I am thinning some ..................

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74303	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: "World's Greatest Hobby" show (model trains)

Here's something you might find interesting to do Saturday or Sunday.  And bring the kids.   tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74304	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/21/2014
Subject: with web address this time

http://www.wghshow.com/novi.html   tom hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74305	From: scaler164	Date: 2/22/2014
Subject: Re: [ S-Scale-ProgreSSive ] New product announcement - PFE Ice platf

VERY interesting!  But I'm curious if this PFE design the same as, or basically the same as eastern (FGE?) (road-specific?) platforms?  The few photos I have of eastern ice platforms shows them without a roof.  And unless I'm not remembering correctly, I don't recall seeing any carts in my photos either - what were they used/needed for if the platform had the mechanical delivery track (as this model SEEMS to have)?   Sample Images of a SAL Platform : (Location Unknown)        www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALIceLoadingPlatform.jpg        www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALIceLoadingPlatform00.jpg        www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALIceLoadingPlatform01.jpg        www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALIceLoadingPlatform02.jpg        www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALIceLoadingPlatform03.jpg   If this model is similar enough or can be easily modified to represent the platform pictured in the links above, I could use one with a number of extra sections.     John Degnan Scaler164@...   From: "Bill Lane" <bill@...> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:32:33 AM Subject: [ S-Scale-ProgreSSive ] New product announcement - PFE Ice platform Al Castellani and I have been working together for almost a year now developing this PFE icing station. http://tinyurl.com/kzj89yy It is based on real PFE drawings. With its included ice carts, ice blocks, LED lamps the length of the model spotted of the correct hatch intervals, it is far superior to ANY model ice platform released I dare say in ANY scale. Al is now taking orders. The basic kit is 3 sections with the center section available separately to expand its length. Further it looks like a continuous platform, not separate 12” long sections. The platform height is set based on currently available S Scale reefers with the dock sitting flat on the deck using Tomalco code 100 track also flat on the deck without roadbed. Still the individual legs having collars that will help cover slight irregularities in your layout deck. An ice house has not been developed yet. Al wants to sell the platform kits first before making the ice house. Without sufficient platform sales there might not be an ice house made. Contact Al directly – (Not me!) with any questions or orders. al@...  Finally the delay in the C&O stock car kit has been ME. Some progress has been made. I finished the Solidworks designs for the needed detail parts this week. We are reviewing them now before proceeding with production. Bill Lane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74306	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/22/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/23/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 23, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74307	From: Mark Seibel	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Boiler Front

Does anyone know where I can obtain a plastic boiler front for an American Flyer PA switcher, #21004?  Doug Peck does not have one.  Thanks for the help. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74308	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Re: Boiler Front

hi all , Gino again , please be patient with me as its still to cold to go out in the garage and crank out some parts, they will get done and Doug Peck will have some soon enough , Thank You...../ all ( I need 70's or better for my neck- back  to function) hope to have the rear curtains by then also

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74309	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Re: Boiler Front

Hi Mark,                        I have one in stock. Please contact me off site seccia@...                                   Tom Seccia                                       Triple "S" Supplies On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:06 PM, "ghost3141@..." <ghost3141@...> wrote:    hi all , Gino again , please be patient with me as its still to cold to go out in the garage and crank out some parts, they will get done and Doug Peck will have some soon enough , Thank You...../ all ( I need 70's or better for my neck- back  to function) hope to have the rear curtains by then also

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74310	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/23/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 23, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74311	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Layout Work

Hello Folks, I am changing the plan for my layout. The fixed track on the west side is S-Gauge and it is coming out to be replaced with potable sections. You can see the start of the task at: http://youtu.be/7fY5uRoIVAg Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74312	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work

Excellent work. From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 2:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Layout Work   Hello Folks, I am changing the plan for my layout. The fixed track on the west side is S-Gauge and it is coming out to be replaced with potable sections. You can see the start of the task at: http://youtu.be/7fY5uRoIVAg Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74313	From: reujan2000	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74314	From: marcella14612	Date: 2/23/2014
Subject: Re: [ S-Scale-ProgreSSive ] New product announcement - PFE Ice platf

Icing Platform Design Whether a platform had a roof seems to have been an economic decision as to whether the cost of melted ice on the platform justified the additional cost of a roof. Roofs were frequently installed in the west and southwest. For icing stations I'm aware of in the east, Columbus, Ohio, Wayneport (Rochester) New York, Hornell, New York, and Spartenburg, South Carolina did not have roofs. I've seen none in the east that had roofs. The carts were used to carry crushed ice that was dumped through chutes into the cars. Crushed ice was used where block ice was used, and I assume the crushed ice was used to top off the reefers. John, you might inquire on the ACL-SAL-SCL Modeling Group to see if someone can tell you about other icing stations in your area. Regards, Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74315	From: richs009	Date: 2/24/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work

Bill - your video is terrific!  Great sense of humor.  I especially liked the triceratops helping out.  How long did it take to put the video together - a lot of stop-action photos... - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74316	From: lx5043	Date: 2/24/2014
Subject: Fish Paper / Track Insulator For Sale

Thanks to all who responded to my questions about original track insulators. I found someone selling the exact material originally used on American Flyer original style track for the tie insulation. I purchased it (fish paper or vulcanized paper) but had to buy much more than I needed. Each piece or sheet is cut 3"x5" and has a peel off thin plastic skin on one side. That one side is slightly sticky to hold it in place as you crimp it back on to the track/tie. I've been trimming mine to 5/8" x 5/8" but you could go to 1/2". Anyway if anyone here wants any, I'll sell it to you for $2 a per sheet for which includes the postage and handling. This should allow you to cut out approximately 26 track tie insulators. If you want any message me and I will give you my address.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74317	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/24/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work

Thanks Rich, It was a hoot. Principal photography took a little over a week. Location shots, audio and catering added a bit to that. There were bits of every color all over the cutting room floor. That took a week or so more. I still have much to learn about the tools. That is fun as well. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 2/24/2014 12:03 PM, richs009@... wrote: Bill - your video is terrific!�� Great sense of humor.�� I especially liked the triceratops helping out.�� How long did it take to put the video together - a lot of stop-action photos... - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74318	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: derail

I have a "highrail" American Flyer Layout which is about 60% complete. I use gargrave flex track and American Flyer switches.  Most of the curves are wider radius than the American Flyer track.  The exception is the curve of the AF switch. My AF cars work fine when pulled by AF engines, steam, geep, or PA.  When I change to my American Model engines I get a derailment problem between the AM engine and the first car.  I have tried many different first cars.  The difference of course is the AF engines have coupler that is mounted to the truck and the AM engines have coupler mounted to the frame.   The AM coupler seems to have room to swing back and forth. Any help out there to solve the situation? Thanks, Wayne  in Central IL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74319	From: wb4hay	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work

Bill, Speaking of envy, I would kill for your Bucyrus crane ans work car--Is there any out there to your knowlege????? Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74320	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Feb. 27

Off topic to be sure, but well worth reading is today.s story at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com on page 1.   This is the story of "Swede" Momsen: Submarine Legend."  Today the word "hero" is often overused, but in Momsen's case it would be hard to do so.  In the darkest days of submarines, this man made the "Silent Service" safer for all, then fought a world war, and finally was a key innovator behind today's submarines.    There is simply no way to describe his full story in such an article, but the man deserves more attention than he got.  After reading today's article, I'm sure you'll agree.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74321	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work

Hi Kelly, Do you mean the black crane picking up ties? That is a Flyer product. I think they are referred to as Brownhoist. It loads those ties onto a Flyer work caboose. Both items are readily available. Industrial Brownhoist is 644 or 944 Work Caboosees are 607, 645, 945, 907 and 24546 There may be other numbers. My work caboose is missing an item or two.. It also needs repairs on its couplers. Will not work in a train running around; only in stop-motion video work. Did you mean the gantry crane pulling out that switch machine? That is a Marx tinplate item and is also readily available. Turns out that a lot of Marx is not too big and not too small for S. The crane I show is number 422. There is a similar one with a rounded roof and numbered 412. Hope that helps. Bill ��PS (Do you have your own skunk works?) Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 2/27/2014 3:28 AM, wb4hay@... wrote: Bill, Speaking of envy, I would kill for your Bucyrus crane ans work car--Is there any out there to your knowlege????? Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74322	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: Modified 5 Digit Engine Style Draw Bar (Advertisement)

Attachments : NEW 5 Digit Draw Bar.jpg We now have a modified AF 5 digit engine style draw bar for the kit bashers. Price: $5.50 ea. includes shipping in CONUS. May be purchased at our web site:  http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74323	From: racin510	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: Re: Layout Work

The Bucyrus crane is Lionel just post war and has a cabin much like the ACG crain car. I have two in operation. You can find them occasionally on Ebay Lionel Trains. Be prepared to go over $100. It is a great accessory with full range function, a little challenge to restore but well worth the effort. Lionel also made a pre war version that looks much like the ACG crane right down to the color scheme.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74324	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/27/2014
Subject: Re: derail

----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Zebron . . . . . . . .When I change to my American Model engines I get a derailment problem between the AM engine and the first car. I have tried many different first cars.. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > There are perhaps three solutions, none perfect. #1. The first car needs to be a very heavy car, maybe a gondola full of rocks, scrap metal, anything heavy. #2. If the first car is an AM or SHS car, take the front talgo-mounted coupler off, grind off the four little nibs that make the talgo coupler thing swivel when the truck swivels. Put it back together and try that. #3. If the AM loco is an FP7, an FB-unit, or an ALCO F unit, there is an American Models part that replaces the gear cover of the loco truck that's causing the problem. It's their item GBT. You remove the body-mounted coupler, grind off the coupler-mounting pad, remove the original gearbox cover (Keep the grindings out of the gear box). put the new GBT gearbox cover on the loco truck, put the coupler on the tab that sticks out from the gear box cover. And Bob's your uncle (maybe). Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74325	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2014
Subject: Still lots of mint Lionel Flyer available!

There is still a lot left and my client is eager to sell. Make offer and you'll get a great deal! Yes, the #49600 Union Pacific Pony Express Set with 2 add-on Cars & B-Unit is still available. The list is on my website: <www.thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html> His cars are listed with owner "JR", but you can make offers on anything else as well! Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74326	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/1/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74327	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/1/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 2, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74328	From: doerryn	Date: 3/2/2014
Subject: Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains

Greetings, I've posted a document on my website titled "Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains" It can be downloaded at the following URL: http://doerry.org/norbert/train/ReverseLoopsWithAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf While the subject is reverse loops, it contains two appendices that may prove interesting for other applications.  Appendix A describes all the various types of track trips I've worked with over the years.   Appendix B describes a number of different methods for determining the direction of a track switch for control purposes. I'm starting a list of topics to include in the next revision of this document, so if you have any ideas, please let me know.   Also, if you find any errors, I'd love to hear about them too. Have a great day, Norbert Burke, VA http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74329	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/2/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/2/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 2, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74330	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains

Norbert, Thank you again for this remarkable work.�� It is thorough and detailed and yet easy to understand.�� This work, along with your treatise on Direction Control are both valuable references for all Flyer Operators.���� Thanks again. Dale Smith On 3/2/2014 7:53 AM, doerry@... wrote: �� Greetings, I've posted a document on my website titled "Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains" It can be downloaded at the following URL: http://doerry.org/norbert/train/ReverseLoopsWithAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf While the subject is reverse loops, it contains two appendices that may prove interesting for other applications.�� Appendix A describes all the various types of track trips I've worked with over the years.���� Appendix B describes a number of different methods for determining the direction of a track switch for control purposes. I'm starting a list of topics to include in the next revision of this document, so if you have any ideas, please let me know.���� Also, if you find any errors, I'd love to hear about��them too. Have a great day, Norbert Burke, VA http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74331	From: richs009	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains

Norbert - I second Dale's reply - nice goin'.  It is indeed a valuable addition to your earlier Flyer document and will be helpful to many of us.  - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74332	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Semi-Vandy Tender Chassis (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74333	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Re: derail

HI, Wayne, short of mounting your track on plexiglas "I would think you need a longer coupler on something, or maybe some more swing room ,ck to make sure no couplers stick on swing to be sure , graphite or some oil would surely help if they are can you loosen up the coupler bar on engine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74334	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?

I have a nice 0 gauge dogbone loop about 5 x 12 feet. I was having chronic problems with the diecast Pullmans derailing and uncoupling. I tried lowering the coupler arms on the trucks to give more room for free movement, etc. Then I remembered the problems with the postwar 1946-47 "long" truck Pullmans. These had blind wheels (no flanges) in the third position to allow for the trucks to swing more to allow for the tighter radius track curves. I removed the third wheel set from each diecast prewar car (innermost wheels- closest to the center of the cars) on each truck and now they have plenty of swing and the derailing problems have gotten much better! A bit more tweaking, but getting closer! Just thought I would pass this tip on.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74335	From: dpippitt@sbcglobal.net	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Lionel Mikado short circuit

I have a Mikado that has in intermittent short circuit which involves the valve gear.  I can see sparks being generated from the valve gear as the wheels rotate.  Has anybody experienced this problem and diagnosed the cause?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74336	From: rhicks308	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?

Thanks, that's an interesting idea.  Does your three-rail layout have S curves?  Mine doesn't, and the Pullmans will occasionally derail, but not often enough to lead to desperate measures.  As least not yet. On a similar subject, when trying to back up a 565 Atlantic, the trailing wheels will often derail on a curve.  Any ideas there? Randall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74337	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Derail

Without being able to see your problem and what locomotive you are using, it's hard to trouble shoot the problem accurately.  I imagine that you are using all Flyer compatable trucks and couplers, which do allow a lot of swing and a certain amount of "slop" that scale items do not.  However, because the loco does not have truck mounted couplers, there can still be a problem.       The locomotive or tender body can swing the frame mounted coupler far enough out of line to pull the car off the track as it goes around the curve of the switch.  Sometimes what appears to be plenty of movement within the coupler pocket is NOT enough.  The sharper the curve radius, the bigger the problem.  This is why Gilbert used truck mounted couplers.   You also can have problems with the coupler being mounted at the end of the frame, but the trucks pivot farther into the frame, creating a LOT of body overhang, which further pulls the couplers out of alignment. The farther the distance between the truck pivot point and the coupler pocket, the wider the radius required to keep couplers in alignment on curves and switches.    A posible fix is to create a two piece drawbar.  The first part would mount in the coupler pocket and extend to the point where the coupler itself would normally be.   Then you mount the  coupler shank end to this extension.  This increases the length of the coupler to reach out of alignment and still not pull the car off the track.  In some cases, I have built a three piece drawbar with two joints for tight radius curves in On30.  It looks odd and it's tough to back onto the train and couple up, but it works.   A better fix would be to convert the loco or tender to a truck mounted coupler or move the coupler pivot point closer to the truck pivot.  Usually this is not possible as the required clearance for steps or something under the chassis gets in the way.    Some years ago, a guy in our old HO club used flexible drive cable to make flexible coupler shanks, I think he got these from an Erector set or something similar.  He ran huge locos and cars around his layout with 15" radius curves.  Using regular couplers caused these items to derail because the corners of their bodies hit.  Hey, it was weird, but it worked..   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74338	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 3/3/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?

Prewar Flyer by Gilbert was designed to run on 20" radius track. Your derailing problem may be due to using smaller radius track by Lionel and others. 0-27 track is only 13.5" radius too small for many longer cars and locomotives.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74339	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?

I have an oval of 0-42 lionel 3 rail, inside my Two rail Flyer S and have no problems with the 1/64 stuff - 1940 Northern and my die-cast compo go round fine. I have more trouble with locos derailing on the two rail. Not sure what the problem is but some of the 1946 locos tend to cock to one side and then derail at random. Whether it is extreme tire wear combined with under gauging I don't know. Frustrating. I only run 1946/47 locos. ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 03 Mar 2014 19:12:59 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?   Prewar Flyer by Gilbert was designed to run on 20" radius track. Your derailing problem may be due to using smaller radius track by Lionel and others. 0-27 track is only 13.5" radius too small for many longer cars and locomotives. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.comau/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74340	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: AF GP7 Trucks (Advertisement)

Well as you all know we really like to change the wheel configuration on the pre-1966 AF engines to make them more reliable. We are now working on our first GP7 and it is coming together as we expected. A whole new experience with these diesel road switchers.      This unit will have traction  all four (4) wheels on the front truck and the rear truck will have all wheel electrical contact. So far no problems. This one is a super runner and a very smooth puller. We have put twelve (12) cars behind and it did just great.      We are installing LED lighting which includes red & green markers and a directional reverse light and a DALLEE #400 reversing unit.      This is the one that will be in our auction on Saturday 03-08-2014 LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74341	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains

 Hi Norbert-- Thank you very much!! I'm in the trows of a new design to add to my 11 X !3 layout and want the use of reverse loops. Very timely & perfect; great work!!! Thanks CJB Clemente J Bianchi ----- Original Message ----- From: doerry@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 10:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains   Greetings, I've posted a document on my website titled "Reverse Loops with American Flyer Trains" It can be downloaded at the following URL: http://doerry.org/norbert/train/ReverseLoopsWithAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf While the subject is reverse loops, it contains two appendices that may prove interesting for other applications.  Appendix A describes all the various types of track trips I've worked with over the years.   Appendix B describes a number of different methods for determining the direction of a track switch for control purposes. I'm starting a list of topics to include in the next revision of this document, so if you have any ideas, please let me know.   Also, if you find any errors, I'd love to hear about them too. Have a great day, < p>Norbert Burke, VA http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74342	From: trndad	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit

Have you had it apart recently?  Did this start after being serviced or did it just occur on its own?  I ask because I replaced a smoke unit in one not long ago and when it ran it sparked at the pilot wheels and valve gear.  It turns out I had the smoke unit wires reversed.   Also a few years ago I bought a new Blue Comet set off eBay and when it went around a curve it would spark and shutdown.  I sent it back for repair and they found that the problem was a wire shorting against the rear trailing truck on the engine.  It was a simple fix that I could have done if I had just looked close enough.   Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74343	From: dpippitt@sbcglobal.net	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit

I have not had it apart.  The tender was serviced several years ago due to wiring problems but I do not think the locomotive has ever been apart.  Could it be a misplaced wire in the tender?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74344	From: trndad	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit

You can try running the engine without the tender to see if the tender is the cause of the sparking, but since they are not electrically connected anyway, I doubt the tender would be the cause. The engine is packed with boards and wires, and there is very little room for error. I would take the shell loose and look for a broken or frayed wire, especially up near the flywheel area. The smoke unit should be electrically isolated from the engine shell, so check that as well. If you suspect the smoke unit could be the culprit, unsolder and remove it and try running the engine without it to see. Beyond these simple things I'm not much help. Perhaps someone else can suggest other possibilities

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74345	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?

The 1946-47 stuff is fascinating. I collect it a bit as that is what my Dad started with (a 1946 #310 set). Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74346	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?

My track is Gargraves and all curves are wider than standard. Maybe I just have some quirky train cars!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74347	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?

I do have S curves on both sides of the dogbone. That is part of the problem. I remember having similar troubles with my 565, but I sold it so no more problems! I remember the trailing truck kind of jack knifed when it was backed up. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74348	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/4/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?

That was the year I started off in life -Dad was demobbed from the Royal Artillery in January 1946 - I was born in October. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 04 Mar 2014 17:36:38 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Anyone else running prewar diecast 3/16" 521 and 524 Pullmans?   The 1946-47 stuff is fascinating. I collect it a bit as that is what my Dad started with (a 1946 #310 set). Ben ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74349	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 3/5/2014
Subject: RFG Value Guide

I see that RFG offers a searchable American Flyer value guide in a couple of forms. Anyone have experience with these? Any comments/observations? I have quite an accumulation (very little - maybe none - of collector grade) and will begin to reduce it before long. But my knowledge of the values is pretty dated, so I need a resource that provides quick access to some sense of the values of the pieces. Thank you in advance for any insight you may provide. Jim (Phoenix)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74350	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new infor

I have just finished a complete revision of the americanflyerdisplays.org website.  All the information from the old site is there in an easier to find format as well as a great deal of added information on the topics previously covered.  In addition, there is a new section devoted to the Hollywood display layouts used in product placements on major television shows of the 1950’s, complete with video clips of the pertinent portions of the shows.  There is also a history of the  “layout in a box” concept that reached its most developed state in the All Aboard sets of 1965 and 1966.   I also have the beginnings of a new section on the Roar of the Rails Television show and am working on trying to develop track plans of the two layouts used on that show based on the a video of that program.   Even if you have visited before, come again to see all the new information.  The site has grown significantly since I started it several years ago and now has over 200 pages of information.   Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74351	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i

Nice site! Handy reference and I agree it is very well organized. Thanks Dale, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 3/6/2014 2:28 AM, Dale Smith wrote: I have just finished a complete revision of the americanflyerdisplays.org website.  All the information from the old site is there in an easier to find format as well as a great deal of added information on the topics previously covered.  In addition, there is a new section devoted to the Hollywood display layouts used in product placements on major television shows of the 1950’s, complete with video clips of the pertinent portions of the shows.  There is also a history of the  “layout in a box” concept that reached its most developed state in the All Aboard sets of 1965 and 1966.   I also have the beginnings of a new section on the Roar of the Rails Television show and am working on trying to develop track plans of the two layouts used on that show based on the a video of that program.   Even if you have visited before, come again to see all the new information.  The site has grown significantly since I started it several years ago and now has over 200 pages of information.   Dale Smith _

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74352	From: lx5043	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: RFG Value Guide

Probably one of the best guides is eBay. Check the collectible item you wish to sell by doing a search for it. Look at what people are asking and what the items are actually selling for. I have the Greenberg's American Flyer Pocket Price Guide for 2013 as a reference, but I notice that most often the items sell for much higher than the Greenberg's value especially if in excellent condition. Also don't forget that eBay has shipping and handling costs which means people are actually willing to pay more for some hard to find local items. Compare different sources before arriving at a price to sell.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74353	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i

I was watching a show called the "UNTOUCHABLES" recently on late TV...... The Gangster was playing with an Atlantic set on the floor...... Wrong period as the show was based in 1930 and the 302 didn't come out until 1946 in 2 rail!!!!! Bob Conner From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new information added   I have just finished a complete revision of the americanflyerdisplays.org website.  All the information from the old site is there in an easier to find format as well as a great deal of added information on the topics previously covered.  In addition, there is a new section devoted to the Hollywood display layouts used in product placements on major television shows of the 1950’s, complete with video clips of the pertinent portions of the shows.  There is also a history of the  “layout in a box” concept that reached its most developed state in the All Aboard sets of 1965 and 1966.   I also have the beginnings of a new section on the Roar of the Rails Television show and am working on trying to develop track plans of the two layouts used on that show based on the a video of that program.   Even if you have visited before, come again to see all the new information.  The site has grown significantly since I started it several years ago and now has over 200 pages of information.   Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74354	From: whutton	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i

Dale   Thank you so much for your great work on the Flyer Displays Website. I thoroughly enjoyed the new information you have put together about the All Aboard Sets and Scene-o-rama sets. As an all aboard collector since the mid 60’s it is always great to read new information and perspectives on the last hurrah for American Flyer. You have made my day!   Thanks   Bill Hutton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74355	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i

The fifties and early 60's were the years when Hollywood and the TV producers turned out the absolute worst in inaccurate period costumes and sets. Women wore hair and clothes from the 50's and 60's in supposed 20's and 30's period pieces  and many other things did not fit so an anachronistic train set should be no surprise. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 04:34:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new information added   I was watching a show called the "UNTOUCHABLES" recently on late TV...... The Gangster was playing with an Atlantic set on the floor...... Wrong period as the show was based in 1930 and the 302 didn't come out until 1946 in 2 rail!!!!! Bob Conner From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new information added   I have just finished a complete revision of the americanflyerdisplays.org website.  All the information from the old site is there in an easier to find format as well as a great deal of added information on the topics previously covered.  In addition, there is a new section devoted to the Hollywood display layouts used in product placements on major television shows of the 1950’s, complete with video clips of the pertinent portions of the shows.  There is also a history of the  “layout in a box” concept that reached its most developed state in the All Aboard sets of 1965 and 1966.   I also have the beginnings of a new section on the Roar of the Rails Television show and am working on trying to develop track plans of the two layouts used on that show based on the a video of that program.   Even if you have visited before, come again to see all the new information.  The site has grown significantly since I started it several years ago and now has over 200 pages of information.   Dale Smith ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74356	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i

Bill, There is a lot of good stuff online about All Aboard sets, so I didn't duplicate it.  They weren't from my era of collecting as I was a 20 year old college student when they came out and I wasn't even aware of them until I got back into collecting in the late 80's.  For some reason, they seemed to captivate me, so I finally bought a set that was pretty complete, including even the train.   I plan to mount it in a folding box with cover to take to train shows for display. I also added a link to the Trainorama section on Bob Graves Gilbert Gallery that was inadvertently omitted. (my apologies) There are lots of close up photos there including the use of the Trainorama backdrop in conjunction with the All Aboard panels. Dale On 3/6/2014 8:40 AM, whutton wrote:   Dale   Thank you so much for your great work on the Flyer Displays Website. I thoroughly enjoyed the new information you have put together about the All Aboard Sets and Scene-o-rama sets. As an all aboard collector since the mid 60’s it is always great to read new information and perspectives on the last hurrah for American Flyer. You have made my day!   Thanks   Bill Hutton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74357	From: herbw202	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Americanflyerdisplays.org has been completely revised with new i

Dale, I am aware of how much effort you must have put into this and I thank you. Herb Wasserman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74358	From: scaler164	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???

Forwarded From: "colin s" <colin.s@...> Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 5:07:52 PM Subject: [SSTOT] Gilmaur U18B now taking expressions of interest   Hi All I am involved in a project to bring some of the Gilmaur O scale etched brass kits to S scale. The first kit will be the U18B this is a resize of the O scale etch which has been specially adapted to accept American Models trucks and drive gear. Other kits such as the U23B and U30B will follow if the U18B is successful   The kits are etched brass with castings, these are craftsman kits for a loco body and chassis. the kits will come with pre folded hood and radiator section. Estimated price will be in the region of $200. Please note trucks, motor, couplings, decals and some detail parts such as horns are not supplied.   Details about the history of this project can be found on the S Scale SIG forum. In order to progress with the project we are about to place the order for the first run of the U18B kits and we need to estimate the level of interest in order to have the enough long hoods and radiators folded. Our metal worker requires a minimum order is 20 units which give us 6 SCL hoods (early round latch, also suitable for NdM, CSX and Pickens) and 14 MEC (later latch also suitable for P&W). One of the SCL units is already spoken for but the rest are available to be reserved on a first come first served basis. If you are interested in one of these units, can you please drop me a note off line and I will add you to our expression of interest list. At this stage we are happy to note interest without commitment. Regards Colin Stewart E-Mail : colin.s@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74359	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: "Out of the Woods"

The beginning of a new series on http://myflyertrains.org  begins this month with Stumpy's Station  "Out of the Woods" Part One.  This starts with some logging history and will lead into construction of log cars and the famous "Outhouse Caboose." Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74360	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???

Pardon me for asking this but weren't the U-boat's  as in U-18, 23,25,28,30,33 and 36's all built by General Electric?                                                                 Bob Lampe                                                                 Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74361	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 3/6/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West Car information & Registration form

Attachments : FFWREG ver2.rtf FFWCAR, ver 2.rtf Here is what information that I currently have for Flyer Fest West, May 16-18,2014 in San Mateo, CA. See attachments for more information. Contact Don Mattheis with any questions at: norcaltt@... Ed Eckert

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74363	From: lionely6b	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: RFG Value Guide

May I humbly suggest the 2012 TM Guide to American Flyer S Gauge? Much more comprehensive than the competition or snap looks at ebay. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74364	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???

Attachments : Bob,     The were built by GE.  The B or C designation referred to the 4 or 6 wheeled truck type.  Alco competed for a while with GE until their last model ALCO C636 model I believe.  Then ALCO just was not getting any takers in the USA market.  From what I understand ALCO used GE innards for the prime mover and traction motors.  So what was the difference?  ALCO at first was the sole seller of the GE prime movers and traction motors and then in the mid to early 60s GE entered the market.  Why sell your stuff under someone else’s brand name?     At least that is how I heard the ALCO story told.   Best Regards   Paul Krause 5 Chandler Lane New Milford, CT 06776 Home# 860-350-5144 Mobile# 203-512-2866   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of danceswithwolves49@... Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 6:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???     Pardon me for asking this but weren't the U-boat's  as in U-18, 23,25,28,30,33 and 36's all built by General Electric?                                                                 Bob Lampe                                                                 Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74365	From: snstrains	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: RFG Value Guide

I'll second that.... Steve   In a message dated 3/7/2014 10:34:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes:   May I humbly suggest the 2012 TM Guide to American Flyer S Gauge? Much more comprehensive than the competition or snap looks at ebay. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74366	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: RFG Value Guide

Me too. It was written by S gaugers for S gaugers. The real problem with checking eBay prices is that the final selling price depends on who, and how many people(if any!), happen to be looking for a particular item during the time it is listed for sale, and how badly they each want it, and how deep their pockets are. To be totally frank, selling prices on eBay do not in any way reflect the value of model trains. Some sellers have no clue what it is they are selling and list it at unreasonably high prices, but someone with deep pockets who wants it really badly comes along and pays the price. That doesn't mean the value of that item is rising. Other sellers whose primary interest is just getting rid of things, and some dealers who pay pennies on the dollar for collections, list things real cheap; unless two or more people come along who want them really badly and are willing to pay what they're worth, those things sell well below book value. You see that happen much too frequently on eBay. That doesn't mean that the value of trains is dropping. It simply means that seller's timing and pricing strategy were less than optimal. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:45 AM, boss31@... wrote:   I'll second that.... Steve   In a message dated 3/7/2014 10:34:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes:   May I humbly suggest the 2012 TM Guide to American Flyer S Gauge? Much more comprehensive than the competition or snap looks at ebay. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74367	From: johntech	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: AF GP7 Trucks (Advertisement)

 Any Idea on price just for the 4 wheel drive and pickup conversion?   Thanks   ----- Original Message ----- From: reujan2000@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 8:18 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF GP7 Trucks (Advertisement)   Well as you all know we really like to change the wheel configuration on the pre-1966 AF engines to make them more reliable. We are now working on our first GP7 and it is coming together as we expected. A whole new experience with these diesel road switchers.      This unit will have traction  all four (4) wheels on the front truck and the rear truck will have all wheel electrical contact. So far no problems. This one is a super runner and a very smooth puller. We have put twelve (12) cars behind and it did just great.      We are installing LED lighting which includes red & green markers and a directional reverse light and a DALLEE #400 reversing unit.      This is the one that will be in our auction on Saturday 03-08-2014 LBR  This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74368	From: rick gough	Date: 3/7/2014
Subject: Re: RFG Value Guide

....................but that's why you take an average of a whole bunch of auctions of the same item to get a pretty proper resale value. Values of real antiques are generally determined this way and with 20 years in the antique furniture business I learned to accept the method's accuracy and do apply it when scouting my next layout acquisition.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RFG Value Guide ----- Forwarded Message ----- You chose to allow The Upstairs Train (theupstairstrain@...) even though this message failed authentication Click to disallow   Me too. It was written by S gaugers for S gaugers. The real problem with checking eBay prices is that the final selling price depends on who, and how many people(if any!), happen to be looking for a particular item during the time it is listed for sale, and how badly they each want it, and how deep their pockets are. To be totally frank, selling prices on eBay do not in any way reflect the value of model trains. Some sellers have no clue what it is they are selling and list it at unreasonably high prices, but someone with deep pockets who wants it really badly comes along and pays the price. That doesn't mean the value of that item is rising. Other sellers whose primary interest is just getting rid of things, and some dealers who pay pennies on the dollar for collections, list things real cheap; unless two or more people come along who want them really badly and are willing to pay what they're worth, those things sell well below book value. You see that happen much too frequently on eBay. That doesn't mean that the value of trains is dropping. It simply means that seller's timing and pricing strategy were less than optimal. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:45 AM, boss31@... wrote:   I'll second that.... Steve   In a message dated 3/7/2014 10:34:12 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, rbubeck327@... writes:   May I humbly suggest the 2012 TM Guide to American Flyer S Gauge? Much more comprehensive than the competition or snap looks at ebay. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74369	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: AF GP7 Trucks (Advertisement)

$75.00 to convert both trucks. On Friday, March 7, 2014 5:41 PM, johntech <beebear@...> wrote:    Any Idea on price just for the 4 wheel drive and pickup conversion?   Thanks   ----- Original Message ----- From: reujan2000@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 8:18 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF GP7 Trucks (Advertisement)   Well as you all know we really like to change the wheel configuration on the pre-1966 AF engines to make them more reliable. We are now working on our first GP7 and it is coming together as we expected. A whole new experience with these diesel road switchers.      This unit will have traction  all four (4) wheels on the front truck and the rear truck will have all wheel electrical contact. So far no problems. This one is a super runner and a very smooth puller. We have put twelve (12) cars behind and it did just great.      We are installing LED lighting which includes red & green markers and a directional reverse light and a DALLEE #400 reversing unit.      This is the one that will be in our auction on Saturday 03-08-2014 LBR  This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74370	From: dpippitt@sbcglobal.net	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit

Alan;     Thanks for your comment.  I spent quite a bit of time yesterday running the Mikado with and without the tender.  The sparking occurs with or with the tender and running it on just the AC or with the TMCC.  I discovered the exact location of the problem, the drive rod is contacting a screw head on the rod that connects the three wheels together.   The screw is on the forward wheel on the left side on the loco. If I physically push the drive rod back onto the plastic spacer on the drive rod attachment, the spark disappears.  I had therefore decided that I needed a non-conductive washer to hold the drive rod onto the plastic spacer.     Am I missing a washer on my Mikado?  If so, where do I purchase two, one on each side?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74371	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-SAles" (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74372	From: carl4flyer	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit

You are probably missing the plastic washer 6408036053 WASHER / PLASTIC / .178" ID x .254" OD x .012" THK 84 $0.30   Lionel has an exploded view on line. http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?startRow=76&DOACTION=productPartFilter&PRODUCTID=1e1afbfd-4f27-483f-8111-93545802bddf   Carl   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dpippitt@... Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 11:55 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Lionel Mikado short circuit     Alan;     Thanks for your comment.  I spent quite a bit of time yesterday running the Mikado with and without the tender.  The sparking occurs with or with the tender and running it on just the AC or with the TMCC.  I discovered the exact location of the problem, the drive rod is contacting a screw head on the rod that connects the three wheels together.   The screw is on the forward wheel on the left side on the loco. If I physically push the drive rod back onto the plastic spacer on the drive rod attachment, the spark disappears.  I had therefore decided that I needed a non-conductive washer to hold the drive rod onto the plastic spacer.     Am I missing a washer on my Mikado?  If so, where do I purchase two, one on each side?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74373	From: dpippitt@sbcglobal.net	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Mikado short circuit

Thanks Carl,     I have no such washer on my Mikado and would never have figured out the correct part from the diagram on the Lionel web page. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74374	From: garydmccullah	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???

FriendS,   Let me interject a little history here.   EMD prime-movers (big diesel engines) are based on Winton engine designs of 70 - 80 years ago.   ALCo designs came from MacIntosh-Seymour designs.   General Electric came from Cooper-Bessemer designs. By the way, I would love to see the U-18 or other smallish GE roadswitcher produced.   Gary McCullah Farmington, AR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74375	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/9/2014, 4:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74376	From: SEMPER0@...	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: 18B Transformer Maintenance

Folks     Just replaced my carbon rollers.  They work great but it raised a question as to the proper output voltage when the control handles (dead man levers) are raised.  With the arms up the rollers are still touching the windings and I am getting some voltage still through the output.  The only way I can see how to get zero voltage is for the rollers to be completely off the windings but I do not see how to re-bend the contact arms to accomplish that.  Is that required?  If required are there any good instructions on how to do so? I have reviewed the transformer shop manuals and they are not specific to the voltage output with the control handles up nor the proper shape or position of the contact arms.  Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74377	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???

Here's a bit more trivial history. The U-18 was powered by a V-8 diesel engine.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74378	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance

I would think, that it is just enough to keep the E unit from cycling. Mike   In a message dated 3/8/2014 7:12:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, SEMPER0@... writes:   Folks     Just replaced my carbon rollers.  They work great but it raised a question as to the proper output voltage when the control handles (dead man levers) are raised.  With the arms up the rollers are still touching the windings and I am getting some voltage still through the output.  The only way I can see how to get zero voltage is for the rollers to be completely off the windings but I do not see how to re-bend the contact arms to accomplish that.  Is that required?  If required are there any good instructions on how to do so? I have reviewed the transformer shop manuals and they are not specific to the voltage output with the control handles up nor the proper shape or position of the contact arms.  Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74379	From: richs009	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: Anyone out there interested in an S scale EMD U-18-B Diesel???

Gary -- I knew that Winton was an early producer of gasoline engines - initially for automobiles apparently - and I think the M-10000 had a distillate burning (spark ignited??) Winton engine.  According to Wikipedia (increasingly the source of what I think I know...!!) indeed the early diesels in the Zephyrs and in the M10001 were Wintons. One other interesting factoid, EMD is now owned by Caterpillar (since 2010) - through Progress Rail Services, their subsidiary. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74380	From: richs009	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance

Mike -- I don't think that is right.  when the 'dead-man' handle on transformers like the 18B and 30B are pulled up, that is supposed to cycle the E-unit (no other way to do it), which means zero volts, no matter where the indicator ("mpg) pointer is located.  On the other hand, keeping the handle down and turning the rheostat all the way to zero "mph" doesn't mean zero volts and in that case - I think by design - the E-unit shouldn't cycle.  As a practical matter, on some of my locos, the E-unit does cycle at zero "mph" on those transformers. Some time ago I had my 18B transformer apart and I recall seeing that in the zero "mph" position, the carbon roller looked like it was still in contact with a brass plate which looked like it was connected to some of the 'initial' turns (i.e., low voltage) of the transformer.  I also recall measuring a non-zero voltage at zero "mph", but don't remember exactly what it was. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74381	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance

It should be 7 volts. On Mar 8, 2014, at 11:00 PM, <richs009@...> wrote:   Mike -- I don't think that is right.  when the 'dead-man' handle on transformers like the 18B and 30B are pulled up, that is supposed to cycle the E-unit (no other way to do it), which means zero volts, no matter where the indicator ("mpg) pointer is located.  On the other hand, keeping the handle down and turning the rheostat all the way to zero "mph" doesn't mean zero volts and in that case - I think by design - the E-unit shouldn't cycle.  As a practical matter, on some of my locos, the E-unit does cycle at zero "mph" on those transformers. Some time ago I had my 18B transformer apart and I recall seeing that in the zero "mph" position, the carbon roller looked like it was still in contact with a brass plate which looked like it was connected to some of the 'initial' turns (i.e., low voltage) of the transformer.  I also recall measuring a non-zero voltage at zero "mph", but don't remember exactly what it was. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74382	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 3/8/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance

On Mar 8, 2014, at 9:22 PM, SEMPER0@... wrote:   Folks     Just replaced my carbon rollers.  They work great but it raised a question as to the proper output voltage when the control handles (dead man levers) are raised.  With the arms up the rollers are still touching the windings and I am getting some voltage still through the output.  The only way I can see how to get zero voltage is for the rollers to be completely off the windings but I do not see how to re-bend the contact arms to accomplish that.  Is that required?  If required are there any good instructions on how to do so? I have reviewed the transformer shop manuals and they are not specific to the voltage output with the control handles up nor the proper shape or position of the contact arms.  Thank you. There are two different types of 18b controllers. In the early version, the rollers are attached to a arm assembly that's riveted to the transformer. The handle assembly has a second smaller arm that goes directly over the top of the first. The top arm  must be aligned with the bottom. When you lift the handle, both arms will come up and rollers will disengage from he transformer windings. The latter version has a single arm connected to the handle. The top cover is just placed back on and you're good to go. There's nothing to line up I'd bet you have the early version and the two arms are not lined up correctly.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74383	From: racin510	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance

Go back in there and recheck your work because with handles raised the circuit should be broken and zero voltage should be going to the track.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74384	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance

Most carbon rollers today are made for Lionel transformers and are slightly larger than original Flyer rollers. Therefore you need to bend the wiper a little so contact is broken with the windings when the handle is lifted. There should be no voltage output when the handles are lifted!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74385	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance

This is exactly correct. Original AF rollers were smaller….today only the Lnl ZW rollers are available. Although they are larger and last longer, it usually does require putting a slight upward bend in the arm so that they break contact with the coil when the handle is lifted. If anyone really wants original AF rollers, we still have some, accumulated when we have bought out several former AF Repair Centers. They are not listed in our catalog, but are available on request.   << Most carbon rollers today are made for Lionel transformers and are slightly larger than original Flyer rollers. Therefore you need to bend the wiper a little so contact is broken with the windings when the handle is lifted. There should be no voltage output when the handles are lifted! >>     Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74386	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/9/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74387	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: (no subject)

Be careful when adjusting the copper wipers. I did so on my 15 B and it broke the small copper piece that is connected to the push rod that has a u shaped copper tab that pushes down on the wiper. There is no part number I can find for this piece in the K-Line  complete service manual. If you look on page 338 next to number 19 you can see the piece I am referring to. SO I am stuck with a 15 B that is useless now. I would hate to see someone do the same thing I did and break it off.  If anyone has ideas, please feel free to message me. Thanks, Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74388	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer Maintenance

Be careful when adjusting those copper tabs as I was working on my 15 B wich is similar, because it did not reach the windings and it broke off. It was the piece in the K-line complete service manual on page 338 next to number 19 that broke off. Unfortunately this piece has no replacement number listed. I would hate to see someone make the same mistake I made. If anybody has suggestions for replacement part for this please let me know. WOuld love to fix this. thanks, Chris Burger aka the cbtrainnut

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74389	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/9/2014
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Hi Chris,                     I believe I have that part. Contact me off site seccia@....                                     Tom Seccia                                       Triple"S"Supplies On Sunday, March 9, 2014 2:06 PM, Chrisandmhel Burger <chrisandmhelburger@...> wrote:   Be careful when adjusting the copper wipers. I did so on my 15 B and it broke the small copper piece that is connected to the push rod that has a u shaped copper tab that pushes down on the wiper. There is no part number I can find for this piece in the K-Line  complete service manual. If you look on page 338 next to number 19 you can see the piece I am referring to. SO I am stuck with a 15 B that is useless now. I would hate to see someone do the same thing I did and break it off.  If anyone has ideas, please feel free to message me. Thanks, Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74390	From: johntech	Date: 3/10/2014
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Hi Chris   If it is copper you might be able to solder it back together with a little luck. It can't hurt to give it a try!!   John Frankforther     ----- Original Message ----- From: Chrisandmhel Burger To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] (unknown)   Be careful when adjusting the copper wipers. I did so on my 15 B and it broke the small copper piece that is connected to the push rod that has a u shaped copper tab that pushes down on the wiper. There is no part number I can find for this piece in the K-Line  complete service manual. If you look on page 338 next to number 19 you can see the piece I am referring to. SO I am stuck with a 15 B that is useless now. I would hate to see someone do the same thing I did and break it off.  If anyone has ideas, please feel free to message me. Thanks, Chris This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74391	From: wb4hay	Date: 3/10/2014
Subject: SHS ACL pulpwood car

Looking for a couple of SHS Atlantic Coast Line pulpwood cars to complete that early '50's South Alabama siding. I'd appreciate any help. Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74393	From: lx5043	Date: 3/11/2014
Subject: Tie-Jector Car 25071

Hi All, I have an American Flyer Tie-Jector Car 25071 from the early 60's and I am missing the track trip that catches the metal spring/clip on the side of the car to dump the ties. Does anyone have one or know where I can purchase one? This is for regular AF track not the pikemaster track. I know what they look like thanks to Doug Peck of Portlines who has posted some photos of these in the files sections but he has said they are hard to find. You can message me off line if you have one to sell. Thanks, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74394	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/12/2014
Subject: For Sale: 36 years of S Gaugians

One of my clients has 144 S Gaugians available, almost every issue back to 1985, plus 18 more issues between 1977 and 1984. They're in very good condition, not new, but not torn or water soaked. He's asking two dollars per issue, but is open to all offers, especially in quantity. Make me an offer on whatever you want - one, a few, a lot, or all of them.   Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74395	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"

Today on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com I take up the story of solving a long time problem for me in model railroading by creating my own scale!  A goofy idea?  Well, maybe.  But after over fifty years in the hobby, I figure I can pull it off.  Besides, it might be good for a chuckle. :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74396	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: Tie-Jector Car 25071

Hi John I forwarded this to Bruce Gripley he said someone in Calf is making reproductions good luck Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of johnpalm@... Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:42 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Tie-Jector Car 25071     Hi All, I have an American Flyer Tie-Jector Car 25071 from the early 60's and I am missing the track trip that catches the metal spring/clip on the side of the car to dump the ties. Does anyone have one or know where I can purchase one? This is for regular AF track not the pikemaster track. I know what they look like thanks to Doug Peck of Portlines who has posted some photos of these in the files sections but he has said they are hard to find. You can message me off line if you have one to sell. Thanks, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74397	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"

Stumpy, Read your story, but at 1/4 inch to the foot and 7/8 inch gauge, isn't that the same as On42?�� Looks like it is hard to do a scale no one has done before, but in any case, more power to you. Dale On 3/13/2014 3:28 AM, mrstumpy@... wrote: �� Today on ��http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com��I take up the story of solving a long time problem for me in model railroading by creating my own scale! ��A goofy idea? ��Well, maybe. ��But after over fifty years in the hobby, I figure I can pull it off. ��Besides, it might be good for a chuckle. :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74398	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: "Stumpy Scale"

Yeah, "Stumpy Scale" or "OnS" IS On42.  And yes, starting a new scale/gauge from scratch is a tough proposition.  But after fifty plus years at this stuff, I think I can do it.  Besides, I'm not trying to go commercial or to build a following, just do something different.    As I said I like the toy wheel flanges and couplers for reliable operation vs the HO flanges and couplers we're using in On30.  But on the other hand, since most of the loco and car bodies will have to be kitbashed and scratchbuilt, the 1/4" to the foot scale makes that a bit easier to measure out than 3/16" to the foot.   In S I rebuild junkers into somewhat more prototypical looking units.  It's a throwback to the days when I was a prototype modeler in HO.  But on the other hand, I like having some room to be creative, which is why I left HO to try Garden Railroading, HOn30 and then On30 and even Gn15.  So maybe it's time to strike out on my own altogether.   No, "Stumpy Scale" will never be my only model railroading, but I'm running out of years to try wacky new stuff! :-)   Stumpy in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74399	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: "Stumpy Scale"

Funnily enough the East Germans had commercial toy trains in the 50's and 60's that were near enough that scale and gauge! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 13 Mar 2014 13:50:27 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] "Stumpy Scale"   Yeah, "Stumpy Scale" or "OnS" IS On42.  And yes, starting a new scale/gauge from scratch is a tough proposition.  But after fifty plus years at this stuff, I think I can do it.  Besides, I'm not trying to go commercial or to build a following, just do something different.    As I said I like the toy wheel flanges and couplers for reliable operation vs the HO flanges and couplers we're using in On30.  But on the other hand, since most of the loco and car bodies will have to be kitbashed and scratchbuilt, the 1/4" to the foot scale makes that a bit easier to measure out than 3/16" to the foot.   In S I rebuild junkers into somewhat more prototypical looking units.  It's a throwback to the days when I was a prototype modeler in HO.  But on the other hand, I like having some room to be creative, which is why I left HO to try Garden Railroading, HOn30 and then On30 and even Gn15.  So maybe it's time to strike out on my own altogether.   No, "Stumpy Scale" will never be my only model railroading, but I'm running out of years to try wacky new stuff! :-)   Stumpy in Ahia. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74400	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: "Stumpy Scale"

Wouldn't the Franklin or (shudder-the Washington) be just about that scale?�� Now to find some Franklin junkers.�� Maybe the Casey Jones would also qualify with it's oversize cab.���� No one should complain about kit bashing a Casey Jones. Dale On 3/13/2014 1:50 PM, mrstumpy@... wrote: �� Yeah, "Stumpy Scale" or "OnS" IS On42.�� And yes, starting a new scale/gauge from scratch is a tough proposition.�� But after fifty plus years at this stuff, I think I can do it.�� Besides, I'm not trying to go commercial or to build a following, just do something different.�� �� As I said I like the toy wheel flanges and couplers for reliable operation vs the HO flanges and couplers��we're using in On30.�� But on the other hand, since most of the loco and car bodies will have to be kitbashed and scratchbuilt, the 1/4" to the foot scale makes that a bit easier to measure out than 3/16" to the foot. �� In S I rebuild junkers into somewhat more prototypical looking units.�� It's a throwback to the days when I was a prototype modeler in HO.�� But on the other hand, I like having some room to be creative, which is why I left HO to try Garden Railroading, HOn30 and then On30 and even Gn15.�� So maybe it's time to strike out on my own altogether. �� No, "Stumpy Scale" will never be my only model railroading, but I'm running out of years to try wacky new stuff! :-) �� Stumpy in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74401	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: "Stumpy Scale"

Actually yes they would be near to it. And with all due respect all Franklins are junkers! The rolling stock however is great! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:05:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Stumpy Scale"   Wouldn't the Franklin or (shudder-the Washington) be just about that scale?�� Now to find some Franklin junkers.�� Maybe the Casey Jones would also qualify with it's oversize cab.���� No one should complain about kit bashing a Casey Jones. Dale On 3/13/2014 1:50 PM, mrstumpy@... wrote: �� Yeah, "Stumpy Scale" or "OnS" IS On42.�� And yes, starting a new scale/gauge from scratch is a tough proposition.�� But after fifty plus years at this stuff, I think I can do it.�� Besides, I'm not trying to go commercial or to build a following, just do something different.�� �� As I said I like the toy wheel flanges and couplers for reliable operation vs the HO flanges and couplers��we're using in On30.�� But on the other hand, since most of the loco and car bodies will have to be kitbashed and scratchbuilt, the 1/4" to the foot scale makes that a bit easier to measure out than 3/16" to the foot. �� In S I rebuild junkers into somewhat more prototypical looking units.�� It's a throwback to the days when I was a prototype modeler in HO.�� But on the other hand, I like having some room to be creative, which is why I left HO to try Garden Railroading, HOn30 and then On30 and even Gn15.�� So maybe it's time to strike out on my own altogether. �� No, "Stumpy Scale" will never be my only model railroading, but I'm running out of years to try wacky new stuff! :-) �� Stumpy in Ahia. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74402	From: bruce weidner	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"

OnS sounds interesting. Being I can not decide between O and S trains I call my layout............................SO scale(have not made my own structures yet but they will be between 1:48 and 1:64 which would be 1:56)   Stumpy Scale goes a step beyond with scale and gauge, where as I use HI-rail track with it's associated scale(s)   Stumpy's machine is always a great read and is always imaginative and innovating.    Everyone has their style of railroading as it is an art as well as a hobby. The important thing is to have fun and enjoy the hobby and share that enjoyment with others.     From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"   Today on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com I take up the story of solving a long time problem for me in model railroading by creating my own scale!  A goofy idea?  Well, maybe.  But after over fifty years in the hobby, I figure I can pull it off.  Besides, it might be good for a chuckle. :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74403	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/13/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"

Call it what you like Stumpy - it will be good but not a new scale or gauge, you are 60 years to late to do something nobody else has done. Good luck. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"   OnS sounds interesting. Being I can not decide between O and S trains I call my layout............................SO scale(have not made my own structures yet but they will be between 1:48 and 1:64 which would be 1:56)   Stumpy Scale goes a step beyond with scale and gauge, where as I use HI-rail track with it's associated scale(s)   Stumpy's machine is always a great read and is always imaginative and innovating.    Everyone has their style of railroading as it is an art as well as a hobby. The important thing is to have fun and enjoy the hobby and share that enjoyment with others.     From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Stumpy Scale"   Today on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com I take up the story of solving a long time problem for me in model railroading by creating my own scale!  A goofy idea?  Well, maybe.  But after over fifty years in the hobby, I figure I can pull it off.  Besides, it might be good for a chuckle. :-) Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74404	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: NEW Pre-1966 AF Northern White Decal Sets (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74405	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: NASG Web Site Minor Update

(I apologize for the duplicate messages some of you may be receiving) I just added a new minor feature to the NASG web site that those of you who participate in clubs that set up their layout at public shows might find helpful. As you may know, I maintain a listing of companies (especially those who maintain a web site) that produce or sell S-scale products or products useful in modeling in S. That entire list, as well as categorized sub-lists, have been available on this page: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/index.htm However, I have been wanting to be able to hand something to people at train shows that is an up-to-date listing of what's available "today" in S. So, to accomplish that, I added a report to that page (see the "printable version" link on that page) that contains the entire listing but with no graphics, just text. It doesn't look "sexy", but it also doesn't waste printer ink. Also, instead of hyperlinks (which are useless in a printed version), the links to web sites are spelled out. Here's a direct link to this new report: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/AllManufacturersPrint.htm Now, mind you, there are well over 400 entries there and it will take a chunk of paper to print it off, but it is there if you need it (you can always play around with your printer's font and print settings to get it to print on fewer pages). Another option is to copy and paste the entire listing into another software application, and manipulate it there before you print it. I keep these lists up to date, so when you visit the page, you always get the latest version. Note that the NASG, as part of the promotions group, also has available a printed brochure that lists manufacturers/vendors/dealers. I am just offering this web site report as an additional option that you can use, or ignore. Just thought you might like to know,  - Peter    (NASG webmaster) -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74406	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update

Nice. But the other info sites will not click on an open.  Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:   (I apologize for the duplicate messages some of you may be receiving) I just added a new minor feature to the NASG web site that those of you who participate in clubs that set up their layout at public shows might find helpful. As you may know, I maintain a listing of companies (especially those who maintain a web site) that produce or sell S-scale products or products useful in modeling in S. That entire list, as well as categorized sub-lists, have been available on this page: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/index.htm However, I have been wanting to be able to hand something to people at train shows that is an up-to-date listing of what's available "today" in S. So, to accomplish that, I added a report to that page (see the "printable version" link on that page) that contains the entire listing but with no graphics, just text. It doesn't look "sexy", but it also doesn't waste printer ink. Also, instead of hyperlinks (which are useless in a printed version), the links to web sites are spelled out. Here's a direct link to this new report: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/AllManufacturersPrint.htm Now, mind you, there are well over 400 entries there and it will take a chunk of paper to print it off, but it is there if you need it (you can always play around with your printer's font and print settings to get it to print on fewer pages). Another option is to copy and paste the entire listing into another software application, and manipulate it there before you print it. I keep these lists up to date, so when you visit the page, you always get the latest version. Note that the NASG, as part of the promotions group, also has available a printed brochure that lists manufacturers/vendors/dealers. I am just offering this web site report as an additional option that you can use, or ignore. Just thought you might like to know,  - Peter    (NASG webmaster) -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74407	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: Re: "Stumpy Scale"

As the old saying goes, "There's nothing new under the sun."  A closer to model railroading old saying is that "There's a prototype for everything."  "Stumpy Scale" isn't new as to the scale and gauge concept,  but "OnS" is all but non-existant in this country, and not recognised as a "real" size.  What I find important ot me is the idea behind it:  fun and escape.  Life is too short to waste it on nay-sayers with little imagination.   The "oversize" Flyer locomotives will work well for this scale/gauge combination.   The Franklin/Washington, the Casey Jones, and the Docksider all quickly come to mind as possible bashing fodder for do "OnS."    I have already experimented with a Flyonel Docksider and a Putt diesel and built a couple of short scratch built cars.  But there is much more to do to evolve the industrial narrow gauge concept.    For instance, to pack more into less space, I plan to use S Flex track to lay 15" radius  or smaller curves for my OnS project.  I have tried 12" radius but am concerned about reliable operation on that tight a curve so more experimantation is required.   Progress has been slow because I have so many hobbies going at the same time.  But little by little, I making progress on my "official" bastard scale. :-)   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74408	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update

From: Alan Lambert          Fort Worth, Texas   Frank, They work if you highlight the web site. I just did.    Alan Lambert On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:03 PM, Frank Emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote:   Nice. But the other info sites will not click on an open.  Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:   (I apologize for the duplicate messages some of you may be receiving) I just added a new minor feature to the NASG web site that those of you who participate in clubs that set up their layout at public shows might find helpful. As you may know, I maintain a listing of companies (especially those who maintain a web site) that produce or sell S-scale products or products useful in modeling in S. That entire list, as well as categorized sub-lists, have been available on this page: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/index.htm However, I have been wanting to be able to hand something to people at train shows that is an up-to-date listing of what's available "today" in S. So, to accomplish that, I added a report to that page (see the "printable version" link on that page) that contains the entire listing but with no graphics, just text. It doesn't look "sexy", but it also doesn't waste printer ink. Also, instead of hyperlinks (which are useless in a printed version), the links to web sites are spelled out. Here's a direct link to this new report: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/AllManufacturersPrint.htm Now, mind you, there are well over 400 entries there and it will take a chunk of paper to print it off, but it is there if you need it (you can always play around with your printer's font and print settings to get it to print on fewer pages). Another option is to copy and paste the entire listing into another software application, and manipulate it there before you print it. I keep these lists up to date, so when you visit the page, you always get the latest version. Note that the NASG, as part of the promotions group, also has available a printed brochure that lists manufacturers/vendors/dealers. I am just offering this web site report as an additional option that you can use, or ignore. Just thought you might like to know,  - Peter    (NASG webmaster) -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74409	From: bruce weidner	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: Photos of MTH boxcar(B&O)

Attachments : SAM_0531.jpg SAM_0530.jpg SAM_0529.jpg Here are some pics of my first MTH S gauge car.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74410	From: Frank	Date: 3/14/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update

Thx I will try it, but my iPhone will not do it  Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:   From: Alan Lambert          Fort Worth, Texas   Frank, They work if you highlight the web site. I just did.    Alan Lambert On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:03 PM, Frank Emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote:   Nice. But the other info sites will not click on an open.  Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:   (I apologize for the duplicate messages some of you may be receiving) I just added a new minor feature to the NASG web site that those of you who participate in clubs that set up their layout at public shows might find helpful. As you may know, I maintain a listing of companies (especially those who maintain a web site) that produce or sell S-scale products or products useful in modeling in S. That entire list, as well as categorized sub-lists, have been available on this page: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/index.htm However, I have been wanting to be able to hand something to people at train shows that is an up-to-date listing of what's available "today" in S. So, to accomplish that, I added a report to that page (see the "printable version" link on that page) that contains the entire listing but with no graphics, just text. It doesn't look "sexy", but it also doesn't waste printer ink. Also, instead of hyperlinks (which are useless in a printed version), the links to web sites are spelled out. Here's a direct link to this new report: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/AllManufacturersPrint.htm Now, mind you, there are well over 400 entries there and it will take a chunk of paper to print it off, but it is there if you need it (you can always play around with your printer's font and print settings to get it to print on fewer pages). Another option is to copy and paste the entire listing into another software application, and manipulate it there before you print it. I keep these lists up to date, so when you visit the page, you always get the latest version. Note that the NASG, as part of the promotions group, also has available a printed brochure that lists manufacturers/vendors/dealers. I am just offering this web site report as an additional option that you can use, or ignore. Just thought you might like to know,  - Peter    (NASG webmaster) -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74411	From: Frank	Date: 3/15/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update

My older iPhone didn't get it. My other one did. Must be the new down loads coming in.  Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote:   From: Alan Lambert          Fort Worth, Texas   Frank, They work if you highlight the web site. I just did.    Alan Lambert On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:03 PM, Frank Emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote:   Nice. But the other info sites will not click on an open.  Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote:   (I apologize for the duplicate messages some of you may be receiving) I just added a new minor feature to the NASG web site that those of you who participate in clubs that set up their layout at public shows might find helpful. As you may know, I maintain a listing of companies (especially those who maintain a web site) that produce or sell S-scale products or products useful in modeling in S. That entire list, as well as categorized sub-lists, have been available on this page: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/index.htm However, I have been wanting to be able to hand something to people at train shows that is an up-to-date listing of what's available "today" in S. So, to accomplish that, I added a report to that page (see the "printable version" link on that page) that contains the entire listing but with no graphics, just text. It doesn't look "sexy", but it also doesn't waste printer ink. Also, instead of hyperlinks (which are useless in a printed version), the links to web sites are spelled out. Here's a direct link to this new report: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/AllManufacturersPrint.htm Now, mind you, there are well over 400 entries there and it will take a chunk of paper to print it off, but it is there if you need it (you can always play around with your printer's font and print settings to get it to print on fewer pages). Another option is to copy and paste the entire listing into another software application, and manipulate it there before you print it. I keep these lists up to date, so when you visit the page, you always get the latest version. Note that the NASG, as part of the promotions group, also has available a printed brochure that lists manufacturers/vendors/dealers. I am just offering this web site report as an additional option that you can use, or ignore. Just thought you might like to know,  - Peter    (NASG webmaster) -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74412	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 3/15/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update

Guys, The new report is intended for printing purposes, so the links don't work. However, as Alan report, most modern-day browsers will recognize when highlighted text is a link, and help to launch the browser for you. But, if you are wanting to do that, then just visit the main page of links (or one of the categorized pages) for the actual links: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/index.htm ��- Peter. On 03/15/2014 6:01 am, Frank wrote: My older iPhone didn't get it. My other one did. Must be the new down loads coming in.�� Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: �� From: Alan Lambert ���������������� Fort Worth, Texas �� Frank, They work if you highlight the web site. I just did. ���� Alan Lambert On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:03 PM, Frank Emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: �� Nice. But the other info sites will not click on an open.�� Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote: �� (I apologize for the duplicate messages some of you may be receiving) I just added a new minor feature to the NASG web site that those of you who participate in clubs that set up their layout at public shows might find helpful. As you may know, I maintain a listing of companies (especially those who maintain a web site) that produce or sell S-scale products or products useful in modeling in S. That entire list, as well as categorized sub-lists, have been available on this page: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/index.htm However, I have been wanting to be able to hand something to people at train shows that is an up-to-date listing of what's available "today" in S. So, to accomplish that, I added a report to that page (see the "printable version" link on that page) that contains the entire listing but with no graphics, just text. It doesn't look "sexy", but it also doesn't waste printer ink. Also, instead of hyperlinks (which are useless in a printed version), the links to web sites are spelled out. Here's a direct link to this new report: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/AllManufacturersPrint.htm Now, mind you, there are well over 400 entries there and it will take a chunk of paper to print it off, but it is there if you need it (you can always play around with your printer's font and print settings to get it to print on fewer pages). Another option is to copy and paste the entire listing into another software application, and manipulate it there before you print it. I keep these lists up to date, so when you visit the page, you always get the latest version. Note that the NASG, as part of the promotions group, also has available a printed brochure that lists manufacturers/vendors/dealers. I am just offering this web site report as an additional option that you can use, or ignore. Just thought you might like to know, ��- Peter ���� (NASG webmaster) -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. -- -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74413	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/15/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update

Peter, Is there a reason S-n-S Trains is not listed? They supply a lot of repair services and can motor conversions   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/15/2014 10:54 AM, Peter Vanvliet wrote:   Guys, The new report is intended for printing purposes, so the links don't work. However, as Alan report, most modern-day browsers will recognize when highlighted text is a link, and help to launch the browser for you. But, if you are wanting to do that, then just visit the main page of links (or one of the categorized pages) for the actual links: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/index.htm ��- Peter. On 03/15/2014 6:01 am, Frank wrote: My older iPhone didn't get it. My other one did. Must be the new down loads coming in.�� Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: �� From: Alan Lambert ���������������� Fort Worth, Texas �� Frank, They work if you highlight the web site. I just did. ���� Alan Lambert On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:03 PM, Frank Emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: �� Nice. But the other info sites will not click on an open.�� Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote: �� (I apologize for the duplicate messages some of you may be receiving) I just added a new minor feature to the NASG web site that those of you who participate in clubs that set up their layout at public shows might find helpful. As you may know, I maintain a listing of companies (especially those who maintain a web site) that produce or sell S-scale products or products useful in modeling in S. That entire list, as well as categorized sub-lists, have been available on this page: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/index.htm However, I have been wanting to be able to hand something to people at train shows that is an up-to-date listing of what's available "today" in S. So, to accomplish that, I added a report to that page (see the "printable version" link on that page) that contains the entire listing but with no graphics, just text. It doesn't look "sexy", but it also doesn't waste printer ink. Also, instead of hyperlinks (which are useless in a printed version), the links to web sites are spelled out. Here's a direct link to this new report: http://www.nasg.org/Manufacturers/AllManufacturersPrint.htm Now, mind you, there are well over 400 entries there and it will take a chunk of paper to print it off, but it is there if you need it (you can always play around with your printer's font and print settings to get it to print on fewer pages). Another option is to copy and paste the entire listing into another software application, and manipulate it there before you print it. I keep these lists up to date, so when you visit the page, you always get the latest version. Note that the NASG, as part of the promotions group, also has available a printed brochure that lists manufacturers/vendors/dealers. I am just offering this web site report as an additional option that you can use, or ignore. Just thought you might like to know, ��- Peter ���� (NASG webmaster) -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. -- -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. -- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74414	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 3/15/2014
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site Minor Update

Hi Carey, They are listed. On the main, all-inclusive, list they are entry #331. They are also listed in the Track, Details, Scenery, DCC, and Custom Work sub-category lists. ��- Peter. On 03/15/2014 12:11 pm, Carey Probst wrote: Peter, Is there a reason S-n-S Trains is not listed? They supply a lot of repair services and can motor conversions �� Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF ��__ -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74415	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/15/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/16/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 16, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74416	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/16/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/16/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 16, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74417	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/16/2014
Subject: Happy 3/16th Day!!!

Better run them Train's...   "Have a Great Sunday" Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74418	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/16/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74419	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/17/2014
Subject: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.

Shortly after I got up the new version of www.americanflyerdisplays.org, I obtained access to several old copies of The Collector, the publication of the now defunct American Flyer Collectors club.  In one of those issues was an article explaining that the cover on the 1956 catalog was a colorized version of a black and white photo of a layout at the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad museum.  They gave as a source, an article in the January 1957 Railroad Model Craftsman.  I looked at that article, (pg 82) and it was all about constructing scenery.   The 56 cover photo was among the photos in the article and at the beginning of the article "B&ORR Photos" was printed next to the title.  No mention was made of the American Flyer Catalog, which was obviously out in January of 1957. Prior to this, I had assumed, after having been told by various collectors, that the cover was a photo taken on a diorama constructed especially for the cover.  Others had identified the layout as the big first floor layout, but that was clearly wrong as there is nothing on that layout even remotely resembling the area of the 56 catalog photo. What I am looking for is some information about any such layout at the B&O museum.   It might have also been a "traveling layout" as the B&O constructed several of them, some using AF equipment.  Does anyone remember such a layout?  Or better yet, have some photos of it?  I am really skeptical about the "colorized" version being used.  I think it is more likely a color photo that RMC printed in gray scale in its then black and white newsprint magazine.  Any help unraveling this mystery will be appreciated. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74420	From: tbbeqayah	Date: 3/18/2014
Subject: Re: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.

I think I sent this already, but maybe not. When in HS, I went on a field trip in 1957 to Washington and visited the B&O train museum where I took two 35mm slides of the model train layout. I scanned them and I am trying to post them in pictures (without success). Tom Barker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74421	From: tbbeqayah	Date: 3/18/2014
Subject: Re: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.

I was on a field trip in 1957 and visited the B&O train museum. I have 35mm slides of the layout and have scanned them. I compared them with the cover of the catalog and can't see any obvious, perfect connections.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74422	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/18/2014
Subject: Re: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.

Tom, Thanks for your thoughts on this.�� Your photos did make it to the groups folder.���� I looked at them and they seem to be consistent with the photos of the scale type layout�� I saw in the RMC/Toy Trains "article," if you can call it that, as there was very little text.�� I added one of the better photos from the RMC article to your album and I think the backdrop is the biggest similarity.�� I also find little to connect that layout with the 56 cover photo.�� It is possible that the area at the lower far right in the photo labeled "Left Side" could be leading into an area like the catalog photo, but it is dual track and the whole layout appears to be HO with more or less scale track. �� Though the buildings are from kits, I didn't see the usual Revell structures of that era that are usually giveaways as to the layout being HO. �� I am a little bit skeptical of the connection with the catalog photo.�� The RMC article shows the one cover photo and then photos of other layouts that are obviously scale, rather than Flyer or even high rail layouts.�� The cover photo looks like it could have been built by the same people who did the layout in your photos as the coloring is similar and the bushy hillside technique is evident, though not as prolific as in the layout you saw.�� I still don't see how The Collector made the connections necessary to make the claim they did.�� I also think it might be unlikely that the B&O would allow Gilbert to feature the North Coast Limited, a non B&O related item on its layout. There is an interesting video on their YouTube site at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VDHwosIJOQ that tells the story of those layouts.�� The video makes it clear that there were several layouts created at the B&O, so the one you saw could have been one of several.�� In the video, when Michael Gross opens the traveling case containing the Flyer rolling stock for one of them, it is clearly B&O centric, with a custom painted Royal Blue.�� At least one of the photos shown on the video is of a clearly Flyer layout from, I think 1949, minus, of course, the rubber roadbed that came out the next year. Another factor arguing against the B&O museum layout theory is that the cover photo bears an uncanny resemblance to Homestake Pass in Montana, where the real North Coast Limited ran.�� Granted, it is not a great reproduction, but these are toy trains, after all.�� See http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjb4photos/3578057773/ �� for a photo of the pass. For now, I think I will rewrite the page to present all the theories.���� This detective work can be fun.�� Thanks for your help. Dale On 3/18/2014 6:35 PM, tbbeqa@... wrote: �� I think I sent this already, but maybe not. When in HS, I went on a field trip in 1957 to Washington and visited the B&O train museum where I took two 35mm slides of the model train layout. I scanned them and I am trying to post them in pictures (without success). Tom Barker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74423	From: jaytewilli	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: Re: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.

Dale, Are there any photo credits listed for the RMC article in that particular RMC issue?  I also question the connection between the B&O layout and the 56 cover photo.  Since the article was about scenery building and not the B&O layout specificallly, maybe RMC used a photo from their archives to show mountain passes???  If there are any photo credits listed in the magazine it might help clarify things. Tom, thanks for listing your photos. Daryl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74424	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West update

Golden Gate American Flyer Club Take a look at what our FFW Convention Car, an American Models See's Candy Reefer will look like.   The Car will be a White sided Car w/Black Top & Ends in the See's Candy graphics showing Mary See's.   You must Register for $20.00 in order to receive this Car, if you are not attending.   We are planning Friday activities of a Bart Ride up into the City, then a Cable Car ride up over Nob Hill to the Cable Car Barn, Lunch, then return for a No-Host Bar get-to-gether.   A Big day on Saturday of the Swap meet Train Sales, Raffle & Clinics, one being on the Lionel Legacy system, then a Banquet, Silent Auction and a Speaker from Lionel, Mr. ZW.   Sunday will conclude with a number of Home Layout Tours, ranging from a HUGE 70 Foot Mainline ALL AF layout, a Large 'S' Scale Layout to an Unbelievable Underground R.R. ( All Hand Dug out ). The Exact times and Schedules of the events, Hotels will follow shortly, just view our Web Site (see below) for these Details as they become available . http://ggafc.org/FFW2014/FFW.html           Please feel free to contact ALL other interested AF Fans to SPREAD THE WORD !!!       Flyer Fest West event for 2014,  Jake Jacobsen FFW #13  Chairman Nut4aftrns@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74425	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: Re: 1956 AF Catalog cover - I need your help.

Daryl, The only credit given is "B&ORR Photos" and that is at the beginning of the article, which has no byline.�� I now tend to assume it was written by RMC/Toy Trains editorial staff.�� Since the article seems to focus on the B&O Museum railroad, which could very well be the one Tom photographed, that may leave the impression that the builders of that railroad created the article, but that may not be the case.�� Also, since the credit is not for any specific photo, it could be that most, but perhaps not all, of the photos are from B&O.�� Throughout the years, Carstens publications, Toy Trains in particular, are peppered with some very nice photos of the 2nd floor display layout, with no mention of where they are, but rather as examples of various model railroading techniques.�� Some of these are the same photos contained in the Buckage Collection, which means they are official Gilbert photos.�� This definitely give the impression that there was a close relationship between Carstens and Gilbert.�� Dale On 3/19/2014 7:33 AM, jaytewilli@... wrote: �� Dale, Are there any photo credits listed for the RMC article in that particular RMC issue?�� I also question the connection between the B&O layout and the 56 cover photo.�� Since the article was about scenery building and not the B&O layout specificallly, maybe RMC used a photo from their archives to show mountain passes???�� If there are any photo credits listed in the magazine it might help clarify things. Tom, thanks for listing your photos. Daryl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74426	From: Bill Lane	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: Downs coupler

Does anyone have a Downs Model Railroad (ACE) urethane dummy hi rail coupler that you do not need? I would like to get at least 1 if possible.   Please reply directly bill@...   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74427	From: alhbaker	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: York TCA Show S Gauge Get-together?

When / where will be the S Gauge get together this April?      Will it be at the Firehouse?   (This will only be my 2nd time so I am not all that familiar with things...) Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74428	From: BARRY KING	Date: 3/19/2014
Subject: Re: York TCA Show S Gauge Get-together?

Hi All Thank you for your inquiry. The Flyernut meeting will be at Reliance Fire Co. on Thursday at 8:30 pm.  The fire hall will open at 8:00 am till 9:00 pm.  This is the first show that the fire hall will be open 5 days with dealers there. Hope to see you there. Barry King Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID albaker33@... wrote:   When / where will be the S Gauge get together this April?      Will it be at the Firehouse?   (This will only be my 2nd time so I am not all that familiar with things...) Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74429	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/20/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for March 21

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  we turn back the clock to the days when the Soap Box Derby was a big thing for kids.  Not everyone lived where they could run in the "official" derby, but with plenty of hills around here, we car crazy kids took up what is now called "gravity racing" with a vengence.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74430	From: aftrains4u	Date: 3/21/2014
Subject: Santa Fe Nose Decals

Does anyone know a dealer or supplier that provides the 484/485/486 Santa Fe nose decals like the originals?  The original nose decals were bold with stronger lettering.  The size of lines in all the reproductions and lettering is smaller and weaker in the repros.  I did contact Marty's Trains and he said that he does not know anyone that makes the 484 nose repros like the originals.  Thanks for any responses.  Have a great day. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74431	From: snstrains	Date: 3/21/2014
Subject: Re: Santa Fe Nose Decals

You should contact Dave at LBR Enterprises. He can most likely make you the decals you need   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho   In a message dated 3/21/2014 8:59:00 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, aftrains4u@... writes:   Does anyone know a dealer or supplier that provides the 484/485/486 Santa Fe nose decals like the originals?  The original nose decals were bold with stronger lettering.  The size of lines in all the reproductions and lettering is smaller and weaker in the repros.  I did contact Marty's Trains and he said that he does not know anyone that makes the 484 nose repros like the originals.  Thanks for any responses.  Have a great day. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74432	From: lx5043	Date: 3/21/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Could you please provide a direct link to this manual. Thank you, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74433	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/21/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

I think I have answered my own question and learned something about new Yahoo groups in the process.�� If you get individual emails, as I do, there is a link in blue just below the message titled "Messages in this topic" (9)", indicating that there are nine other messages on this topic.�� I clicked on that and got taken back to the original message, which was from Chuck Harrington from 2009.�� (No wonder I couldn't find it.)�� It showed the original message and the latest message with a link to the other 7 messages. Also for John, here is a direct link.�� http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/GilbertFactoryManual Dale Smith On 3/21/2014 2:32 PM, johnpalm@... wrote: �� Could you please provide a direct link to this manual. Thank you, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74434	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/21/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Is anyone else having trouble finding the original post to which this message referred?���� I thought maybe Yahoo had not sent me the email for this message, but I looked on the website for the group and couldn't find it there either and I went back through mid December of last year.�� Considering the lack of a search capability on the new Yahoo, maybe I missed it.�� In any case I would appreciate it someone could point me in the right direction.�� This is an instance where not snipping the original message would have been helpful. Dale Smith On 3/21/2014 2:32 PM, johnpalm@... wrote: �� Could you please provide a direct link to this manual. Thank you, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74435	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Any thought about making available offline as either a zip or pdf file? that would really be useful. Carey   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/21/2014 9:14 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I think I have answered my own question and learned something about new Yahoo groups in the process.�� If you get individual emails, as I do, there is a link in blue just below the message titled "Messages in this topic" (9)", indicating that there are nine other messages on this topic.�� I clicked on that and got taken back to the original message, which was from Chuck Harrington from 2009.�� (No wonder I couldn't find it.)�� It showed the original message and the latest message with a link to the other 7 messages. Also for John, here is a direct link.�� http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/GilbertFactoryManual Dale Smith On 3/21/2014 2:32 PM, johnpalm@... wrote: �� Could you please provide a direct link to this manual. Thank you, John This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74436	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

CHUCK HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF TAKING THESE AND COLATTING THEM (3 MANUELS) AND ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONES USE FREE...... USE THEM ALL YOU WANT AND ENJOY AS THEY CAME FROM A REPAIR STATION. CHUCK HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF NOT ONLY THESE BUT THE CATALOGS ALONG WITH OTHER ITEMS...... SUPPORT THAT SITE......(I CAN AT LEAST CHEAT AND PULL THEM OUT OF THE BOOKCASE!!!!!!) BOB CONNER From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!   Any thought about making available offline as either a zip or pdf file? that would really be useful. Carey   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/21/2014 9:14 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I think I have answered my own question and learned something about new Yahoo groups in the process.�� If you get individual emails, as I do, there is a link in blue just below the message titled "Messages in this topic" (9)", indicating that there are nine other messages on this topic.�� I clicked on that and got taken back to the original message, which was from Chuck Harrington from 2009.�� (No wonder I couldn't find it.)�� It showed the original message and the latest message with a link to the other 7 messages. Also for John, here is a direct link.�� http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/GilbertFactoryManual Dale Smith On 3/21/2014 2:32 PM, johnpalm@... wrote: �� Could you please provide a direct link to this manual. Thank you, John This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74437	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: NEW AF Diesel Wheel Installation Tool (Advertisement)

Attachments : #DWIT-1.jpg After a few months of R&D we have come up with, what we believe to be, the ultimate Pre-1966 American Flyer diesel wheel installation tool.      No more using an arbor press and guessing if the wheels are aligned properly before pressing on to the axle and finding out that they wobble and have to be reset.      This tool puts it right in front of you at your work bench. Although the diesel axles have a step in them they not always, when pressed to the step, have the correct gauging (.705"). With this tool you can check the gauging while pressing the wheels on.      Sure to be the standard for pressing wheels on. A GREAT TOOL for all skill levels.      FIRST SHIPPING DATE IS 06-15-2014.      May be viewed / early ordered at:  http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/AF-Parts.html?_=1395507492682 Thank you all for your continuing support. LBR

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74438	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/23/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74439	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: Spoke unit question

A couple of us in our train club are confused by the smoke units in our old Gilbert locomotives. Some take a while to warm up before they will smoke while others smoke beautifully almost immediately but peter out as they warm up. What's the difference and what can we do to make both groups smoke more consistently? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74440	From: snstrains	Date: 3/22/2014
Subject: Smoke unit question

The old smoke wicks have hardened under and near the coil from less than great smoke fluids. Thus the fluid doesn't wick up to the coil quickly. After setting for some time the fluids will wick to the coil at different speeds depending on the amount of hardness in them. As soon as the fluid that has passed the hardened portion is burned they shut down. The units all need new wicks and good smoke fluid that has no paraffin in it. The thinner the better. There are a couple of good ones out there. Any questions, you can contact me off list. 208-376-1159 or email at snstrain@... Steve Boise   In a message dated 3/22/2014 6:28:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes:   A couple of us in our train club are confused by the smoke units in our old Gilbert locomotives. Some take a while to warm up before they will smoke while others smoke beautifully almost immediately but peter out as they warm up. What's the difference and what can we do to make both groups smoke more consistently? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74441	From: lx5043	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Thanks for the link Dale. A wonderful resource to turn .jpg file into .pdf files is located here.   http://www.convert-jpg-to-pdf.net/    The neat thing about this resource is you can select each .jpg file on your hardrive, the resource keeps it in a list, then create the .pdf file. It will take all of the .jpg files and place them into one .pdf file. I use it quite frequently, works great. Just have to make sure the .jpg files are in the right page order that you want them to appear in your .pdf file. Practice with a few files and you will master it in a few minutes. You can do over as many times as you wish so you will get it right. By the way you can go pdf to jpg as well.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74442	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Geeze Bob, all I asked was if there was a pdf available for use when I can't be on line.  No need to scream at me. Believe me I appreciate Chuck's contribution because I scan most important articles (to me) as pdf files to eliminate clutter, plus being in pdf format makes them searchable if created with something like ABBYY reader.  Having a sheet feed scanner with double sided capability is definitely a big help if you are willing to take the magazine apart to scan the articles. Carey   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/22/2014 11:14 AM, Robert Conner wrote:   CHUCK HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF TAKING THESE AND COLATTING THEM (3 MANUELS) AND ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONES USE FREE...... USE THEM ALL YOU WANT AND ENJOY AS THEY CAME FROM A REPAIR STATION. CHUCK HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF NOT ONLY THESE BUT THE CATALOGS ALONG WITH OTHER ITEMS...... SUPPORT THAT SITE......(I CAN AT LEAST CHEAT AND PULL THEM OUT OF THE BOOKCASE!!!!!!) BOB CONNER From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!   Any thought about making available offline as either a zip or pdf file? that would really be useful. Carey   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/21/2014 9:14 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I think I have answered my own question and learned something about new Yahoo groups in the process.�� If you get individual emails, as I do, there is a link in blue just below the message titled "Messages in this topic" (9)", indicating that there are nine other messages on this topic.�� I clicked on that and got taken back to the original message, which was from Chuck Harrington from 2009.�� (No wonder I couldn't find it.)�� It showed the original message and the latest message with a link to the other 7 messages. Also for John, here is a direct link.�� http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/GilbertFactoryManual Dale Smith On 3/21/2014 2:32 PM, johnpalm@... wrote: �� Could you please provide a direct link to this manual. Thank you, John This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74443	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Sorry not screaming...... HABIT...... I always type in caps only as an Architect as due to loss in the field and easier to read...... Bob Hard for me to change.......... From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!   Geeze Bob, all I asked was if there was a pdf available for use when I can't be on line.  No need to scream at me. Believe me I appreciate Chuck's contribution because I scan most important articles (to me) as pdf files to eliminate clutter, plus being in pdf format makes them searchable if created with something like ABBYY reader.  Having a sheet feed scanner with double sided capability is definitely a big help if you are willing to take the magazine apart to scan the articles. Carey   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/22/2014 11:14 AM, Robert Conner wrote:   CHUCK HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF TAKING THESE AND COLATTING THEM (3 MANUELS) AND ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONES USE FREE...... USE THEM ALL YOU WANT AND ENJOY AS THEY CAME FROM A REPAIR STATION. CHUCK HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF NOT ONLY THESE BUT THE CATALOGS ALONG WITH OTHER ITEMS...... SUPPORT THAT SITE......(I CAN AT LEAST CHEAT AND PULL THEM OUT OF THE BOOKCASE!!!!!!) BOB CONNER From: Carey Probst mailto:s-scale@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!   Any thought about making available offline as either a zip or pdf file? that would really be useful. Carey   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/21/2014 9:14 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I think I have answered my own question and learned something about new Yahoo groups in the process.�� If you get individual emails, as I do, there is a link in blue just below the message titled "Messages in this topic" (9)", indicating that there are nine other messages on this topic.�� I clicked on that and got taken back to the original message, which was from Chuck Harrington from 2009.�� (No wonder I couldn't find it.)�� It showed the original message and the latest message with a link to the other 7 messages. Also for John, here is a direct link.�� http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/GilbertFactoryManual Dale Smith On 3/21/2014 2:32 PM, johnpalm@... wrote: �� Could you please provide a direct link to this manual. Thank you, John This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74444	From: traindavid	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Smoke unit question

In addition to Steve's great advice there is also one other variable. Until about 1955 the smoke unit and headlight was wired through the motor, about that time ACG add the "instant smoke" feature to their locomotives by adding a 5th wire and bypassing the motor, thus giving full track voltage to the smoke unit and headlight. This is why some locomotives take a while to smoke well. If you're really good at taking the covers off a smoke unit--that is, you clean the solder off the wiring lugs, and unwind the nichrome wire so you can lift off the cover without disturbing the heating element, you can sometimes take a small needle nose pliers, and some solvent (lacquer thinner, penetrating oil, ???). Brush or drip the solvent on the heating element area, let it soak in a bit, then gingerly squeeze the wick with the pliers to "break up" the solidified smoke fluid. this can sometimes restore the smoking without changing out the wick and element. If the wick is burnt, well, all bets are off! After feeding the nichrome wire back through the holes and putting the cover on, check the resistance of the unit--should be near 40 ohms, there is variation allowed, but no lower than 30 ohms, or you'll burn out the element in a short length of time--after having a REAL smoker for a bit! while you are in there, make certain the air path is clear and the heating element is suspended in the center of its well, and not too high so it is burning the cover. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74445	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/23/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74446	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Bob- I don’t know how we got conditioned to accept the internet convention that CAPS are yelling…… …..like you, I am an Architect and it doesn’t bother me that much to see all CAPS because that is the way I usually print….doing upper and lower case takes more time when using a pencil. BTW, my AF trains were the reason I got into the profession…..I think architects have a higher participation in the Model Railroad Hobby because of the planning and layout work involved or vice versa. Charlie Vlk

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74447	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Because somebody early in the history of the net said it was and a vast majority agreed. I suspect it was a convention anyway based on newspaper practice where only headlines and sub headings are in upper case so that they shout out to the reader. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:49:49 -0500 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!   Bob- I don’t know how we got conditioned to accept the internet convention that CAPS are yelling…… …..like you, I am an Architect and it doesn’t bother me that much to see all CAPS because that is the way I usually print….doing upper and lower case takes more time when using a pencil. BTW, my AF trains were the reason I got into the profession…..I think architects have a higher participation in the Model Railroad Hobby because of the planning and layout work involved or vice versa. Charlie Vlk ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74448	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

I appreciate the resource but it would be nice to be able to download the files as pdfs at least section by section rather than having to download individual jpegs and convert them. Thank you, Charlie Vlk

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74449	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Hummm, sounds all good.  Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:49 PM, "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...> wrote:   Bob- I don’t know how we got conditioned to accept the internet convention that CAPS are yelling…… …..like you, I am an Architect and it doesn’t bother me that much to see all CAPS because that is the way I usually print….doing upper and lower case takes more time when using a pencil. BTW, my AF trains were the reason I got into the profession…..I think architects have a higher participation in the Model Railroad Hobby because of the planning and layout work involved or vice versa. Charlie Vlk

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74450	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/23/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

Also, many folks don't remember that when the first character generator chips became available circa 1970's, they only generated upper case ASCII characters. In 1973 a fellow named Don Lancaster designed something called the "TV Typewriter," a discrete IC terminal for use with early home brew computers. http://tinyurl.com/3rchlse It used the upper case only character generator chip. I know because I built at least three of them. One ended up being used as a character generator to run an information crawl on a local closed circuit television system for about 10 years. :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74451	From: racin510	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: Re: Spoke unit question

All your burners that peter out after a lap or two around the circuit will have burnt out wicks. With all the tear down effort involved it's a waste of time to try and save old wicks; they should be replaced at this point. The ohms number you shoot for depends on the voltage you generally run the specific locomotive at. I have big motor 313's that high ball with a load of action cars at all of 12 volts and these I wind for no more than 35 ohm, prefer less. Others running at 14 - 16 volts will wind closer to 38 ohm and anything higher 40ohm. Keep plenty of good quality fluid in them and putting a full dropper in is OK with these big wick chambers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74452	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: Re: American Flyer Factory Service Manual now online!

The thought that those caps meant Bob was yelling never occurred to me.�� I think the convention is really stupid.�� You can tell if someone is yelling by the context of the words, and Bob's message was a nice friendly message that conveyed none of that.�� I think the rule is another example of reducing social interaction to bipolar extremes, up or down, on or off, friend or unfriend. Finally, we should not be taking Bob to task for using all caps, but rather should be thanking him for making this wonderful resource available and Chuck for putting it up on his website, even if it is not in the form one might prefer. Dale�� On 3/23/2014 12:49 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote: Bob- I don���t know how we got conditioned to accept the internet convention that CAPS are yelling������

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74453	From: lou342ac	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: 2014 AF Catalog

The new 2014 American Flyer catalog is now on Lionel's web site. It's 48 pages and the largest catalog since the 1950's. Lou Baldi http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/interactive/2014af/index.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74454	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: VANDERBILT TENDERS (Advertisement)

Coming soon to our web site will be your opportunity to purchase a CUSTOM VANDERBILT TENDER for your favorite steamer. All of the particulars are at our web site at  http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/CUSTOM-ENGINES.html?_=1395683519909 Thank you all for your continuing support & GREAT IDEAS. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74455	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 AF Catalog

Thanks Lou, I downloaded it. Always fun to browse. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 3/24/2014 1:13 PM, lou342ac@... wrote: The new 2014 American Flyer catalog is now on Lionel's web site. It's 48 pages and the largest catalog since the 1950's. Lou Baldi http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/interactive/2014af/index.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74456	From: mikenguy9	Date: 3/24/2014
Subject: Re: Spoke unit question

ae they the bellows or piston models?  When were they last lubed?  how much fluid is in them?  is it the smoke unit that runs out of 'energy'  or could the fluid be running out?  How long do they run before they 'give out' ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74457	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: NEW Electrical Contact Broadens Horizons For Kit Bashers (Advertise

Attachments : #WWEC-D.jpg We have added yet another new item to our already large list of parts for kit bashers and others doing custom work.  http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html      #WWEC-D & #WWEC-S electrical pick up fittings that can be epoxied to the diesel truck frame or to the steamers engine chassis thus expanding the possibilities for all wheel contact trucks and steamers being powered at the engine instead of or in conjunction with the tender.      Just imagine a #307 engine converted to a tank engine with a DALLEE reversing unit in the engine powered from the drivers. SWEET, right!      BOGGLES the mind. Huh?      Due to the various dimensions between wheels these must be custom made. So, Emails are needed from you to us for a good fit.      Pictured in the attachment is one of our pick ups attached to a BALDWIN front truck which has been converted to an all wheel contact truck. Notice the two leads coming from the post on top. PRICE: Diesel - $8.00 Pair. PRICE: Steamer - $12.00 Pair. LBR

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74458	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: SHS Track Cleaning Car

Does anyone know if the SHS track cleaning car may be operated without harm on AC current? I purchased one of these cars several years ago and haven't had a chance to use it until recently. I opened the box and the instructions refer to maximum DC voltage but there is no reference to AC current. I have been assuming that it will run on AC as it was sold by SHS for S gauge. It was manufactured by MNP Inc for SHS and I've written them and received no answer regarding this question. The instructions appear to be generic and I know MNP uses this technology for HO and other scales so it is possible the DC reference applies to the other scales and MNP simply did not modify the instructions for S gauge. However, before running the car on AC I thought I'd check with this group to see if anyone else has any experience with this car or knows the answer to the question. Tom Detmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74459	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Track Cleaning Car

I run mine on AC with no problems.   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74460	From: The Reardon's	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Track Cleaning Car

 Hi, I operate my SHS "rotory" cleaning car on a regular basis with no ill effects. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Detmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] SHS Track Cleaning Car   Does anyone know if the SHS track cleaning car may be operated without harm on AC current? I purchased one of these cars several years ago and haven't had a chance to use it until recently. I opened the box and the instructions refer to maximum DC voltage but there is no reference to AC current. I have been assuming that it will run on AC as it was sold by SHS for S gauge. It was manufactured by MNP Inc for SHS and I've written them and received no answer regarding this question. The instructions appear to be generic and I know MNP uses this technology for HO and other scales so it is possible the DC reference applies to the other scales and MNP simply did not modify the instructions for S gauge. However, before running the car on AC I thought I'd check with this group to see if anyone else has any experience with this car or knows the answer to the question. Tom Detmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74461	From: detmer5694	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Track Cleaning Car

Pat, as I said to David, thanks for sharing your information.  I assumed that there wasn't going to be a problem but wanted to hear from others before finding out my assumption was wrong and damaging my car.  Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74462	From: detmer5694	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Track Cleaning Car

David, thanks for sharing the information.  It is consistent with what I expected but I am happy to have it confirmed.  Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74463	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/26/2014
Subject: Why are early diesel bushings keyed?

I'm in the process of rebuilding a 1952-vintage 360 Alco PA.  I was cleaning the truck chassis and some other parts tonight and started thinking about the factory-installed steel bushings that were pressed into the chassis castings.  Both chassis from this unit and a third chassis I bought off of eBay have the keyed bushings, and all three have elongation in the axle holes toward the bottom.  I've never really thought that wear could account for the degree of vertical elongation present in the axle holes.  Mechanical wear would occur in the upward direction--the bearing journal below the axle is not even in contact with it.  I think some have hypothesized that the elongation on the bottom is due to electrical arcing between axle and bearing, which form the current pickup path in these early diesels.  I'm not sure I buy that.   First, if the holes started out as round, why would such pronounced electrical wear only occur downward?  Let's assume for conversation sake that the initial onset of wear due to arcing did take place in the bottom of the bushing.  After the operating clearance increases at the six o'clock position, why wouldn't the arcing then move up toward the 3 and 9 o'clock positions, as they would be closer and therefore represent the path of least resistance?  In other words, if electrical bushing wear is so severe in these units, why isn't it more evenly distributed around the circumference of the axle/bushing interface? I think Gilbert's engineers deliberately designed the diesel bushings to have vertical play, as a sort of poor man's equalization.  If you look at the axle holes in your Hudson or Northern tender truck, you will see that they are also slotted vertically.  I was trying to improve the power pickup in my 1946 Hudson recently, thinking that installing small brass eyelets as bushings in the tender trucks would help.  It did not, in fact, the locomotive tended to stall over switches much worse with the eyelets installed than without.  Why?  Because the eyelets restricted the vertical movement available for the wheel set to follow irregularities in the track as it passed through the frogs on my AM switches.  Gilbert designed these trucks to be able to accommodate track undulations by providing for a small amount of vertical movement of the pickup wheels.  The preload of the contact springs ensured that the axle was always electrically connected, regardless of wheel position.  Since the early diesels relied entirely on the wheels for electrical pickup (no sliding pickup shoe on a 360), it is reasonable for me to think that they designed the bushings to allow the wheels to drop into low spots on the track without losing contact.  Why would the chassis bushings be keyed at the 12 o'clock position unless their rotational clocking needed to be controlled for some design purpose? Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74464	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/27/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: Needless Complication?"

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we take up the seeming faster pace and higher stress many are experiencing these days.   The question is the same as we used to ask about other things; "do we need this crap?"   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74465	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 3/27/2014
Subject: Re: Why are early diesel bushings keyed?

The elongation is built in to keep the units wheels in contact with the rail heads on uneven track. If you will notice the axle holes in your rolling stock trucks, all of the holes are elongated for the same reason. LBR On Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:31 AM, "sgriggs@..." <sgriggs@...> wrote:   I'm in the process of rebuilding a 1952-vintage 360 Alco PA.  I was cleaning the truck chassis and some other parts tonight and started thinking about the factory-installed steel bushings that were pressed into the chassis castings.  Both chassis from this unit and a third chassis I bought off of eBay have the keyed bushings, and all three have elongation in the axle holes toward the bottom.  I've never really thought that wear could account for the degree of vertical elongation present in the axle holes.  Mechanical wear would occur in the upward direction--the bearing journal below the axle is not even in contact with it.  I think some have hypothesized that the elongation on the bottom is due to electrical arcing between axle and bearing, which form the current pickup path in these early diesels.  I'm not sure I buy that.   First, if the holes started out as round, why would such pronounced electrical wear only occur downward?  Let's assume for conversation sake that the initial onset of wear due to arcing did take place in the bottom of the bushing.  After the operating clearance increases at the six o'clock position, why wouldn't the arcing then move up toward the 3 and 9 o'clock positions, as they would be closer and therefore represent the path of least resistance?  In other words, if electrical bushing wear is so severe in these units, why isn't it more evenly distributed around the circumference of the axle/bushing interface? I think Gilbert's engineers deliberately designed the diesel bushings to have vertical play, as a sort of poor man's equalization.  If you look at the axle holes in your Hudson or Northern tender truck, you will see that they are also slotted vertically.  I was trying to improve the power pickup in my 1946 Hudson recently, thinking that installing small brass eyelets as bushings in the tender trucks would help.  It did not, in fact, the locomotive tended to stall over switches much worse with the eyelets installed than without.  Why?  Because the eyelets restricted the vertical movement available for the wheel set to follow irregularities in the track as it passed through the frogs on my AM switches.  Gilbert designed these trucks to be able to accommodate track undulations by providing for a small amount of vertical movement of the pickup wheels.  The preload of the contact springs ensured that the axle was always electrically connected, regardless of wheel position.  Since the early diesels relied entirely on the wheels for electrical pickup (no sliding pickup shoe on a 360), it is reasonable for me to think that they designed the bushings to allow the wheels to drop into low spots on the track without losing contact.  Why would the chassis bushings be keyed at the 12 o'clock position unless their rotational clocking needed to be controlled for some design purpose? Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74466	From: aleisen	Date: 3/27/2014
Subject: MP 54

Hi Has anyone kit bashed an AF Heavy Weight  Coach in to a MP54 other than Carl Tuveson beautiful custom MP54, just using all  AF parts  motor, chassis etc ? Thanks Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74467	From: racin510	Date: 3/27/2014
Subject: Re: Why are early diesel bushings keyed?

Are today's replacement bushings elongated or round?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74468	From: srgriggs	Date: 3/27/2014
Subject: Re: Why are early diesel bushings keyed?

Round.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74469	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Why are early diesel bushings keyed?

round  On Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:23 PM, "sgriggs@..." <sgriggs@...> wrote:   Round.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74470	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Joe Haenn

I like to share with group that Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair, had open heart surgery on Wednesday. He is in ICU at Duke University Hospital in Durham, NC. He has been up and walking around the heart unit. Please keep Joe and Lynn in your prayers and thought. Jack Ruth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74471	From: snstrains	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

Wow, when it rains, it pours for Joe. God bless, Joe. Keep the faith. We will continue to pray for you.   Steve Boise,   In a message dated 3/28/2014 7:14:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, afdinger@... writes:   I like to share with group that Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair, had open heart surgery on Wednesday. He is in ICU at Duke University Hospital in Durham, NC. He has been up and walking around the heart unit. Please keep Joe and Lynn in your prayers and thought. Jack Ruth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74472	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Jack, Thanks for sharing this. I know he will be up and out of the hospital soon. My dad had double bye-pass surgery back when they just started(1970's). They have come a long way since then.       Alan Lambert On Friday, March 28, 2014 8:14 PM, JOHN RUTH <afdinger@...> wrote:   I like to share with group that Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair, had open heart surgery on Wednesday. He is in ICU at Duke University Hospital in Durham, NC. He has been up and walking around the heart unit. Please keep Joe and Lynn in your prayers and thought. Jack Ruth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74473	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

Joe is a great guy....I don't pray often, I save them for times like this, Mike in Oregon   In a message dated 3/28/2014 6:14:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, afdinger@... writes:   I like to share with group that Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair, had open heart surgery on Wednesday. He is in ICU at Duke University Hospital in Durham, NC. He has been up and walking around the heart unit. Please keep Joe and Lynn in your prayers and thought. Jack Ruth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74474	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

I can relate to what he's going through. Though I didn't have by-pass my situation was no less serious. In June 2010 between the 6th and 16th I had 4 heart attacks eventually ending up in, and suffering heart attack number 4, the Denver VA hospital. With me they did an angiogram and that night I had number 4 which prompted them the next day to insert 3 stents. Been just fine since then.         Bob      in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74475	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

Steve,    I plan on being in Boise in August, We gotta get together for coffee.                                                                                                           Bob                                                                                                 in Kalisapell   From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 21:17:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Joe Haenn   Wow, when it rains, it pours for Joe. God bless, Joe. Keep the faith. We will continue to pray for you.   Steve Boise,   In a message dated 3/28/2014 7:14:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, afdinger@... writes:   I like to share with group that Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair, had open heart surgery on Wednesday. He is in ICU at Duke University Hospital in Durham, NC. He has been up and walking around the heart unit. Please keep Joe and Lynn in your prayers and thought. Jack Ruth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74476	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/28/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

From: Alan Lambert          Fort Worth, Texas Bob, I had my first heart attack at 60 and now have 1 stint. like you I am doing fine. Anyone on this list with health problems are on my prayer list.      Alan Lambert   On Friday, March 28, 2014 10:48 PM, "danceswithwolves49@..." <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote:   I can relate to what he's going through. Though I didn't have by-pass my situation was no less serious. In June 2010 between the 6th and 16th I had 4 heart attacks eventually ending up in, and suffering heart attack number 4, the Denver VA hospital. With me they did an angiogram and that night I had number 4 which prompted them the next day to insert 3 stents. Been just fine since then.         Bob      in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74477	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: For Sale: Two Gilbert Steam Locomotives

Gilbert 283 C&NW Pacific 4-6-2 Locomotive: Converted to knuckle coupler. Runs great, both forward and reverse. Smokes really well. Reversing unit generally works well. Cosmetically C-7 Excellent condition. 2012 TM Guide book value $80. 2013 Greenberg book value $85. Gilbert 322 NYC Hudson 4-6-4 Locomotive: Runs forward and reverse just fine, though a bit sluggishly - it won't win any speed races. Reversing unit is more reliable than most. The light and smoke unit both work great. Cleaned the commutator, brushes, and wheels. Lubricated the motor. Cosmetically it's a strong C-5 Good to weak C-6 Very Good condition, depending on how much of a stickler you are. 2012 TM Guide book value adjusted for condition is $75. 2013 Greenberg book value $52. Make offer. Include your zip code so I can determine shipping cost. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74478	From: reujan2000	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74479	From: race944t	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

Technically Joe did not have bypass surgery but it was open heart. He had valves replaced as a result of the effects of his chemo. In talking with Lynn, he had a rough time the day after surgery and they had to keep him knocked out with the breathing tube in. His heart rate would spike and they learned what was causing it so they could get it under control in about 5 minutes. They woke him up and he is getting stronger. Let's all pray he gets his strength back soon and that his family can stop worrying. He will not be at York this trip. I know he will miss it. "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74480	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

Joe, May you have a speedy return to great health, and many American Flyer years ahead. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74481	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

JOE....... Welcome to the club...... I had 6 bypasses in 02...... Pacemaker in 08..... ER last week...... Cardioversion, Internal next week...... Still hanging in and you will too!!!!!!!! Bob Conner From: Michael Leahy <gmichael.leahy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Joe Haenn   Joe, May you have a speedy return to great health, and many American Flyer years ahead. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74482	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

Does this have the usual "Screw Hole Crack?"   In a message dated 3/29/2014 1:21:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, reujan2000@... writes:   A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74483	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/30/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 30, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74484	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/29/2014
Subject: RCTHS Train Meet

READING CO TECHNICAL & HISTORICAL SOCIETY Annual SPRING Train Meet is Sunday April 6 at the Leesport Farmers Market, PA Rt 61 North of Leesport ( Reading ).  New, used, maybe abused toy & scale model trains of ALL ages and gauges are expected to be available for sale.  Admission is $ 4.00 for Adults, 12 & under are FREE, LOTS of FREE Parking.  Hours are 9 AM til 1 PM.  Proceeds benefit the ongoing preservation & restoration of historical items of the former Reading Railroad.   Sales tables are available, call 717-279-6783 6 to 9 PM ONLY.  Separate Flea Market will be open as well.      Thank You,   Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74485	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

It has been repaired and a brass back up plate installed. LBR On Saturday, March 29, 2014 6:45 PM, "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> wrote:   Does this have the usual "Screw Hole Crack?"   In a message dated 3/29/2014 1:21:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, reujan2000@... writes:   A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74486	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/30/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 30, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74487	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: Fw: Edwards AFB IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:22 AM, Robert Pawson <robertpawson@...> wrote: On , Robert Pawson <robertpawson@...> wrote: On Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:20 PM, Richard Allard <lazyaranch@...> wrote:         OPEN HOUSE at Top Secret, Edwards Air Force Base Absolutely incredible photos. http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1a/Edwards09/Edwards09.html No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7132 - Release Date: 02/28/14

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74488	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

to you JOE HAENN , wish you all the best and get your health  back, ( your Friend )  GSR, Gino Restivo, no worries, I won't be at York either, possibly the parking lots ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74489	From: traindavid	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309

Attachments : Here's a WWII plane for your layout that's on sale--or if you're into modern, it can be an historic re-enactment! 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309 Price: $13.29 Availability: In stock Description: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309 Click here to check it out This product was sent by info@... from http://www.squadron.com using Shop.pe. Please note that Shop.pe does not verify email addresses.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74490	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 3/30/2014
Subject: Re: Fw: Edwards AFB IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Edwards AFB IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA   On Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:22 AM, Robert Pawson <robertpawson@...> wrote: On , Robert Pawson <robertpawson@...> wrote: On Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:20 PM, Richard Allard <lazyaranch@...> wrote:         OPEN HOUSE at Top Secret, Edwards Air Force Base Absolutely incredible photos. http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1a/Edwards09/Edwards09.html No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7132 - Release Date: 02/28/14

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74491	From: bobville	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: Joe Haenn

Hi Joe, Get well soon we might be asked to do another sale, you never know in might happen. Bob Persing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74492	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309

You can have an airshow or a museum on your layout in 1/64. Lindberg also has a B-58, He-111 and Ju-88 in S. Revell keeps re-issuing its 1/64 B-25. All of these kits build into respectable models. - John Marganski On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:51 PM, "djdewey@..." <djdewey@...> wrote:   Here's a WWII plane for your layout that's on sale--or if you're into modern, it can be an historic re-enactment! 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309 Price: $13.29 Availability: In stock Description: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309 Click here to check it out This product was sent by info@... from http://www.squadron.com using Shop.pe. Please note that Shop.pe does not verify email addresses.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74493	From: snstrains	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309

Is this a kit?   In a message dated 3/30/2014 7:51:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, djdewey@... writes:   Here's a WWII plane for your layout that's on sale--or if you're into modern, it can be an historic re-enactment! 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309 Price: $13.29 Availability: In stock Description: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309 Click here to check it out This product was sent by info@... from http://www.squadron.com using Shop.pe. Please note that Shop.pe does not verify email addresses.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74494	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309

There is also a balsa plastic combo kit by Monogram (SpeedeeBilt) available for a B-i7G and a B-24J Liberator. A 1/64 scale plastic B-25 by Revell and I have a HE-111 by Lindberg. I understand there is occasionally a JU-88 also available. Good hunting to those who are interested Tony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74495	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309

The Mono kits are 200-400 each! I have all of them..... There are also several other planes like the Mossie and P-38 at 1/64 in Die Cast..... Bob Conner From: Anthony Cynor <tonycynor@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 12:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309   There is also a balsa plastic combo kit by Monogram (SpeedeeBilt) available for a B-i7G and a B-24J Liberator. A 1/64 scale plastic B-25 by Revell and I have a HE-111 by Lindberg. I understand there is occasionally a JU-88 also available. Good hunting to those who are interested Tony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74496	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 3/31/2014
Subject: Re: 1:64 Lindberg Models B-17 Flying Fortress Bomber - LI75309

Those models would be great for building a model of an air museum in a post WWII era layout                    Bob                in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74497	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 4/1/2014
Subject: Re: Fw: Edwards AFB IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

Since you enjoyed your Edwards AFB journey so much, IF you are going to the NASG convention this year, the EAA Air Show is only 2 hours away and opens on Sunday, following our Saturday banquet.  You will see many of the airplanes you so admired in multiples, flying overhead and on the ground.  Air show every day.  If you love planes and trains, this is the perfect storm - NASG Wed. - Sat.; EAA Sun through Sat.  Check it out.  Sharon Russell, BAAFC -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of albert paolozzi Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Edwards AFB IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA   On Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:22 AM, Robert Pawson <robertpawson@...> wrote: On , Robert Pawson <robertpawson@...> wrote: On Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:20 PM, Richard Allard <lazyaranch@...> wrote:         OPEN HOUSE at Top Secret, Edwards Air Force Base Absolutely incredible photos. http://home.comcast.net/~bzee1a/Edwards09/Edwards09.html No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7132 - Release Date: 02/28/14

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74498	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 4/1/2014
Subject: LBR SPRING SPECIAL (Advertisement)

Beginning on April 1st and ending on June 30th 2014 we are offering our spring special. This year we are offering an up grade for your pre-1966 American Flyer ATLANTIC engine & tender. This SPECIAL OFFER may be viewed at our web site by using the link below. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Repair-Services.html HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO ALL LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74499	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: Help Needed

Greetings! Have some friends who are moving into a condo and rediscovered a box containing a Lionel 2037 engine and three cars, but unfortunately no tender. Does anyone have a tender that would match this engine or a suggestion as to where I might search? Could not locate one on E-Bay. Thanks for any help you can provide, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74500	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: 4-4-4-4 E&T

Well, we are starting on something a little different for us in our kit bashing dept. We will, in the next few weeks, be starting on an articulated 4-4-4-4 with vandy tender just to see if we can do it. We will be using two (2) pre-1966 AF Atlantic's and other various parts from our spare parts boxes and scrap bins. When it is finished we will show photos here.      Wish us luck  ;o) LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74501	From: edinboro67	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: S-HELPER HOPPERS FOR SALE

Attachments : rock hoppers.jpg rock hoppers 3.jpg Guys, I have a set of 6 S-Helper "Rock" hoppers for sale.  Supposedly they are NIB, but for some reason the labels have been torn off the ends of the boxes.  $160 + $12 s/h.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74502	From: edinboro67	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: S-HELPER HOPPERS

Attachments : Guys, I have a set of 6 S-Helper "Rock" hoppers for sale.  Supposedly they are NIB but for some reason the labels have been torn off the ends of the boxes.  $160 + $12 s/h.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74503	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: Re: Help Needed

Hi try Dan Olson of Olson hobbies he may have one he has a Webb page good luck Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Charles Hancock <charles_hancock@...> wrote:   Greetings! Have some friends who are moving into a condo and rediscovered a box containing a Lionel 2037 engine and three cars, but unfortunately no tender. Does anyone have a tender that would match this engine or a suggestion as to where I might search? Could not locate one on E-Bay. Thanks for any help you can provide, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74504	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: Re: Help Needed

Try, Toy Trains Ultd, in Hanover, PA, 717-637-4717. -----Original Message----- From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help Needed   Hi try Dan Olson of Olson hobbies he may have one he has a Webb page good luck Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Charles Hancock <charles_hancock@...> wrote:   Greetings! Have some friends who are moving into a condo and rediscovered a box containing a Lionel 2037 engine and three cars, but unfortunately no tender. Does anyone have a tender that would match this engine or a suggestion as to where I might search? Could not locate one on E-Bay. Thanks for any help you can provide, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74505	From: rick flaherty	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: Re: 4-4-4-4 E&T

Attachments : Bugs P-38[22].png How cool is that! Rick From: <reujan2000@...> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:25 AM To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] 4-4-4-4 E&T        Well, we are starting on something a little different for us in our kit bashing dept. We will, in the next few weeks, be starting on an articulated 4-4-4-4 with vandy tender just to see if we can do it. We will be using two (2) pre-1966 AF Atlantic's and other various parts from our spare parts boxes and scrap bins. When it is finished we will show photos here.      Wish us luck  ;o) LBR

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74506	From: snstrains	Date: 4/2/2014
Subject: Re: 4-4-4-4 E&T [1 Attachment]

Attachments : How cool is what?   In a message dated 4/2/2014 7:13:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, flick23@... writes:   How cool is that! Rick From: <reujan2000@...> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:25 AM To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] 4-4-4-4 E&T        Well, we are starting on something a little different for us in our kit bashing dept. We will, in the next few weeks, be starting on an articulated 4-4-4-4 with vandy tender just to see if we can do it. We will be using two (2) pre-1966 AF Atlantic's and other various parts from our spare parts boxes and scrap bins. When it is finished we will show photos here.      Wish us luck  ;o) LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74507	From: rick flaherty	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: 4-4-4-4 E&T

Attachments : BugsP-38[22].png Bugs P-38[25].png Kit bashing a bunch of ubiquitous parts into some thing not made before is cool in the extreme.  I agree that using AF bodies and frames is kind of a sacrilege, but how many S-scale 4-4-4-4s are out there? Looks like a pretty noble effort to me, Steve.  I'm looking forward to admiring the fruits of their efforts, good or bad and lessons learned. Rick From: <boss31@...> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 8:29 PM To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 4-4-4-4 E&T How cool is what?   In a message dated 4/2/2014 7:13:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, flick23@... writes:   How cool is that! Rick From: <reujan2000@...> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:25 AM To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] 4-4-4-4 E&T        Well, we are starting on something a little different for us in our kit bashing dept. We will, in the next few weeks, be starting on an articulated 4-4-4-4 with vandy tender just to see if we can do it. We will be using two (2) pre-1966 AF Atlantic's and other various parts from our spare parts boxes and scrap bins. When it is finished we will show photos here.      Wish us luck  ;o) LBR

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74508	From: scaler164	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: WANTED : Kinsman? Box Car Ends

I am looking for a few more sets of the old Kinsman (I believe they were Kinsman, but may be wrong) stamped metal box var ends.  I got a few sets from someone a while back, but have decided since then to do more conversions than I first planned.  I could use about 4 more sets (8 ends),  If anyone has some of these and would be willing to part with them, please let me know.   Thanks.     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74509	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: LIGHT UP YOUR AF STEAMERS (Advertisement)

"LIGHT UP YOUR AF STEAMER WITH LED'S" See offer at our web site. APRIL ONLY! http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Repair-Services.html?_=1396527201580 Turn around time approximately 30 - 45 days LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74510	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for April 3 (off topic)

With all the press about Malaysia flight 370, and the mystery surrounding it's disappaerance, it might be a good time to look into that other great mystery of aviation at sea that is 77 years old and remains unsolved.  What happened to Amelia Earhart?   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74511	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: 4-4-4-4 E&T

instead of making a who knows what kind of 4-4-4-4 , why not do a PRR T 1 & tender  ?, I know many that would want several Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (2)   .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74512	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: S-HELPER HOPPERS

Are they high rail or scale? -----Original Message----- From: edinboro67 <edinboro67@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 11:26 am Subject: [S-Trains] S-HELPER HOPPERS   Guys, I have a set of 6 S-Helper "Rock" hoppers for sale.  Supposedly they are NIB but for some reason the labels have been torn off the ends of the boxes.  $160 + $12 s/h.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74513	From: Mark Skertich	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: S-HELPER HOPPERS

Sorry about the incomplete listing.  They are hi-rail with scale wheels included. Mark From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-HELPER HOPPERS   Are they high rail or scale? -----Original Message----- From: edinboro67 <edinboro67@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 11:26 am Subject: [S-Trains] S-HELPER HOPPERS   Guys, I have a set of 6 S-Helper "Rock" hoppers for sale.  Supposedly they are NIB but for some reason the labels have been torn off the ends of the boxes.  $160 + $12 s/h.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74514	From: rick gough	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for April 3 (off topic)

Her little plane went into the very big ocean when it ran out of fuel, after her ill advised decision to fly into really bad weather. Even the best make mistakes.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 7:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] STUMPY'S MACHINE for April 3 (off topic) ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=16809517367&tc_rand=1160534220&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=nOAqQDHOpjolGImgOE3jyDOlRGX6QeK7IYvReqMF%2Bfx25Rp73UlHNq2NY%2Bqok%2BVA&key=RsW2qaGb3BnBBcOJxLDiaZ%2BaUODGgTDV50DkgXRdNxw%3D   With all the press about Malaysia flight 370, and the mystery surrounding it's disappaerance, it might be a good time to look into that other great mystery of aviation at sea that is 77 years old and remains unsolved.  What happened to Amelia Earhart?   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74515	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for April 3 (off topic)

Attachments : Stumpy,   I usually stay away from topics like this on the S-Trains site.  The Navy or Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute spent a considerable amount of time and money several years back searching with robot subs in the Pacific looking in places that her plane could have crashed into the sea, still nothing.  That means that that flight 370 may never be found.   Best Regards   Paul Krause     Her little plane went into the very big ocean when it ran out of fuel, after her ill advised decision to fly into really bad weather. Even the best make mistakes.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing     With all the press about Malaysia flight 370, and the mystery surrounding it's disappaerance, it might be a good time to look into that other great mystery of aviation at sea that is 77 years old and remains unsolved.  What happened to Amelia Earhart?   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74516	From: rick flaherty	Date: 4/3/2014
Subject: Re: 4-4-4-4 E&T

Attachments : Stop that!  I just drooled all over my keyboard. Rick From: Ron Inscho <roninscho@...> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 3, 2014 7:39 AM To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 4-4-4-4 E&T   instead of making a who knows what kind of 4-4-4-4 , why not do a PRR T 1 & tender  ?, I know many that would want several Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (2)   .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74517	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: 2014 NASG Convention Page Updated

I have just updated the 2014 Convention web page with a detailed schedule, a listing of the clinics, and photos of some of the local layouts that are scheduled to be open for the self-guided home layout tour. http://www.nasg.org/Convention/2014/index.htm or http://www.nasgconvention.com/ Enjoy,  - Peter.    (NASG webmaster) -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site (RSS feed) Fourth Ray Software Houston S Gaugers N.A.S.G. --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74518	From: Tom Lochhead	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for April 3 (off topic)

If you want updated info on the Earhart mystery , you may want to check www.TIGHAR.org They have been sponsoring expeditions for several years - next one leaves this fall- to try to locate her plane and/or remains.  Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:17 PM, "Paul A  Krause" <pakrause5@...> wrote:   Stumpy,   I usually stay away from topics like this on the S-Trains site.  The Navy or Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute spent a considerable amount of time and money several years back searching with robot subs in the Pacific looking in places that her plane could have crashed into the sea, still nothing.  That means that that flight 370 may never be found.   Best Regards   Paul Krause     Her little plane went into the very big ocean when it ran out of fuel, after her ill advised decision to fly into really bad weather. Even the best make mistakes.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing     With all the press about Malaysia flight 370, and the mystery surrounding it's disappaerance, it might be a good time to look into that other great mystery of aviation at sea that is 77 years old and remains unsolved.  What happened to Amelia Earhart?   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74519	From: raulf.polichar	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Materials for Sound deadening on layout

A number of years ago when I build a layout I was able to find 1/4" sheet material made of some type of multi-layer cardboard. It had a dull buff finish on one side that took color or plaster well. It also held the spikes that might penetrate it. It came in 4' x 8' sheets and was sold by a major material distributor here in San Diego. They now tell me they don't know what I am talking about even though I have brought samples which I purchased there. It looks like a multiple layer Bristol board. I think it was used as insulation or underlayment for floors. Anyone got an idea of what I am looking for? If not, do you know if 1/4" Homosote is available? I know that California Roadbed uses something similar to make their product. Any ideas are welcome Raulf Polichar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74520	From: rfalzini@yahoo.com	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout

Maybe you are referring to homosote??? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From: polichar@... <polichar@...>; To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; Subject: [S-Trains] Materials for Sound deadening on layout Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 10:45:00 PM   A number of years ago when I build a layout I was able to find 1/4" sheet material made of some type of multi-layer cardboard. It had a dull buff finish on one side that took color or plaster well. It also held the spikes that might penetrate it. It came in 4' x 8' sheets and was sold by a major material distributor here in San Diego. They now tell me they don't know what I am talking about even though I have brought samples which I purchased there. It looks like a multiple layer Bristol board. I think it was used as insulation or underlayment for floors. Anyone got an idea of what I am looking for? If not, do you know if 1/4" Homosote is available? I know that California Roadbed uses something similar to make their product. Any ideas are welcome Raulf Polichar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74521	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout

Try Celotex...A sound deading board. Mike   In a message dated 4/4/2014 3:53:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, polichar@... writes:   A number of years ago when I build a layout I was able to find 1/4" sheet material made of some type of multi-layer cardboard. It had a dull buff finish on one side that took color or plaster well. It also held the spikes that might penetrate it. It came in 4' x 8' sheets and was sold by a major material distributor here in San Diego. They now tell me they don't know what I am talking about even though I have brought samples which I purchased there. It looks like a multiple layer Bristol board. I think it was used as insulation or underlayment for floors. Anyone got an idea of what I am looking for? If not, do you know if 1/4" Homosote is available? I know that California Roadbed uses something similar to make their product. Any ideas are welcome Raulf Polichar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74522	From: scaler164	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: New 1/64 Scale Semi Tractors

Not sure how many of us will be able to afford these... but... just for giggles, I thought I'd inform the S scale public that Diecast Direct has just received a shipment of 1/64 scale Mack Model H-67 COE tractor/cabs.  Check link below :   http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/catalogkey.asp?ProductQuery=Mack+COE&SearchType=All+Words   ... or just CLICK HERE.     John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74523	From: alan smith	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout

Homosote is available from (per the web sites) Home Depot, Lowes, Menards and other building supply stores. I used the 1/2" thick on another layout years ago.   Some folks like the High density foam board {Pink or Blue}. I think the Homosote handles sound reduction better.   reference price $23.00+  ---  4x4 sheet.  It is better than other fiber board products. - It's a finer texture and a soft gray color much like some of the R X R ballast.  it's a great sound deadener as well.  Also great for a dart board back up material.   Doc Smith On Apr 4, 2014, at 6:54 PM, rfalzini@... wrote:   Maybe you are referring to homosote??? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From: polichar@... <polichar@...>; To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; Subject: [S-Trains] Materials for Sound deadening on layout Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 10:45:00 PM   A number of years ago when I build a layout I was able to find 1/4" sheet material made of some type of multi-layer cardboard. It had a dull buff finish on one side that took color or plaster well. It also held the spikes that might penetrate it. It came in 4' x 8' sheets and was sold by a major material distributor here in San Diego. They now tell me they don't know what I am talking about even though I have brought samples which I purchased there. It looks like a multiple layer Bristol board. I think it was used as insulation or underlayment for floors. Anyone got an idea of what I am looking for? If not, do you know if 1/4" Homosote is available? I know that California Roadbed uses something similar to make their product. Any ideas are welcome Raulf Polichar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74524	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Flyer O-gauge and Std gage interests? P.S.

Oops, I forgot something. ...Ditto interest in Plasticville - mostly parts, but a plastic tub of 'em! Anyone in the Phoenix area with interests in Flyer O-gauge and Standard Gauge? I am thinning down my accumulation and have decided to completely move out of these gauges. I only have a few pieces of standard gauge, some good and some with checked finish (but not beat up). I have several trains worth of pretty decent O-gauge engines and rolling stock. Also some lesser grade stock from that era of S-gauge bodies and O-gauge trucks. I am checking this Phoenix approach first. If nothing develops quickly, then I will explore more widely, but much later because I'm consumed at the moment by the process of moving (locally).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74525	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Flyer O-gauge and Std gage interests?

Anyone in the Phoenix area with interests in Flyer O-gauge and Standard Gauge? I am thinning down my accumulation and have decided to completely move out of these gauges. I only have a few pieces of standard gauge, some good and some with checked finish (but not beat up). I have several trains worth of pretty decent O-gauge engines and rolling stock. Also some lesser grade stock from that era of S-gauge bodies and O-gauge trucks. I am checking this Phoenix approach first. If nothing develops quickly, then I will explore more widely, but much later because I'm consumed at the moment by the process of moving (locally).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74526	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 4/4/2014
Subject: Re: New 1/64 Scale Semi Tractors

Wow for the cost of 2 of those semi tractors you could almost have an American Models locomotive                                      Bob                             in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74527	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout

The material you are describing was called Upson Board.  It used to be used a lot in theatrical scenery.  It was also used to face plywood that had been groved to allow bending for making arched ceilings or curved walls.  When usednthat way, the completed assembly could look exactly like curvrd plasterboard.  I have had applictions where I wanted to use it several times in the past thirty years and been unable to locate it.  I think the Upson company has gone out of business. Vic Bereskin.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74528	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout

A google search yielded the following..   Quote ” It appears that Upson was bought by Niagara Fiberboard, and it appears that Niagara maintains some of the Upson line.    Check the Niagara Fiberboard website.”   Endquote…   Here it is =>  http://www.niagarafiberboard.com/upsonite.htm   This looks and sounds like what you are describing.     I did not search further to see where it is sold.   Ben     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Bereskin Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 7:26 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout     The material you are describing was called Upson Board.  It used to be used a lot in theatrical scenery.  It was also used to face plywood that had been groved to allow bending for making arched ceilings or curved walls.  When usednthat way, the completed assembly could look exactly like curvrd plasterboard.  I have had applictions where I wanted to use it several times in the past thirty years and been unable to locate it.  I think the Upson company has gone out of business. Vic Bereskin.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74529	From: polichar	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout

Ben, Thanks for you intelligent reply.  I could not remember "Upson board" and was searching the web in vain.  I got a number of quick responses from people on the blog who always respond with little information.  I see that the San Diego Model Railroad Museum has used this stuff. Since our club is in San Diego, perhaps someone there can steer me to a dealer.  Again, thanks for the help.   Raulf ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben E. Colley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 7:00 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout   A google search yielded the following.. Quote ” It appears that Upson was bought by Niagara Fiberboard, and it appears that Niagara maintains some of the Upson line.    Check the Niagara Fiberboard website.”   Endquote Here it is =>  http://www.niagarafiberboard.com/upsonite.htm This looks and sounds like what you are describing.   I did not search further to see where it is sold. Ben From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Bereskin Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 7:26 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Materials for Sound deadening on layout   The material you are describing was called Upson Board.  It used to be used a lot in theatrical scenery.  It was also used to face plywood that had been groved to allow bending for making arched ceilings or curved walls.  When usednthat way, the completed assembly could look exactly like curvrd plasterboard.  I have had applictions where I wanted to use it several times in the past thirty years and been unable to locate it.  I think the Upson company has gone out of business. Vic Bereskin.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74530	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74531	From: mike rosz	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer O-gauge and Std gage interests?

I am into Flyer O gauge,  live in Marion, Iowa. snail mail me a list: Mike Rosz         56 Birch Drive     Marion, IA 52302-6917 On Friday, April 4, 2014 11:06 PM, Jim Armstrong <jarmstro99@...> wrote:   Anyone in the Phoenix area with interests in Flyer O-gauge and Standard Gauge? I am thinning down my accumulation and have decided to completely move out of these gauges. I only have a few pieces of standard gauge, some good and some with checked finish (but not beat up). I have several trains worth of pretty decent O-gauge engines and rolling stock. Also some lesser grade stock from that era of S-gauge bodies and O-gauge trucks. I am checking this Phoenix approach first. If nothing develops quickly, then I will explore more widely, but much later because I'm consumed at the moment by the process of moving (locally).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74532	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/5/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/6/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 6, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74533	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/6/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/6/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 6, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74534	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/6/2014
Subject: Layout Update - Video

Hi All, It's been a long time since I've posted here.  Tracie and I have made a lot of additions to the layout.  You  can check it out here: http://youtu.be/fCCvQ35dCJw Enjoy! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74535	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: TOTALLY KIT BASHED CJ (Advertisement)

For the model rail roaders that follow our auctions and especially those that have a soft spot for the E&T's operating before the 1900's we have some very good news. We will be offering a TOTALLY KIT BASHED AF CASEY JONES 4-4-0 E&T.      This E&T will resemble the original CJ only in passing.      YES  ;o)  it will have a DALLEE #518 and NEW S-n-S can motor with LED lighting. Lettered for the PRR it will be a GREAT OPERATING UNIT. No smoke or chuff which a lot of operators like because then there is NO MAINTENANCE except keeping the wheels clean. Just operating and having fun. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74536	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer O-gauge and Std gage interests? P.S.

Jim, try Marty Wik a55flyer@... In Phoenix area. Sorry I just left the area Rog Meekhof

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74537	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: Flyer Alco PAs

I know we really need more PAs but Lionel just released in their new catalog, D&H PAs with all the new tmcc stuff which are tempting. But off course they left the big open pilot and the monster coupler sticking out. Sure could use some scale influence from their steamers. Anyone ever considered a "filler" piece to scale the Alco's up? Rog Meekhof

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74538	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: "Out of the Woods" Part Two is up

The second part of the series on logging trains in S gauge "Out of the Woods" is now posted at Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains  http://myflyertrains.org   in the Stumpy's Station section.  This time around we start building Skeleton Log Cars, both the full length four log bunk cars and the "shorty" two log bunk cars.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74539	From: Frank	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer Alco PAs

I have and might have time in a month or so to do it. I have spoken the Lionel developers in the past, but who knows if they will ever wake up. AM & SHS did it, why not LTI ? Frank  Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2014, at 1:36 PM, <rwmres@...> wrote:   I know we really need more PAs but Lionel just released in their new catalog, D&H PAs with all the new tmcc stuff which are tempting. But off course they left the big open pilot and the monster coupler sticking out. Sure could use some scale influence from their steamers. Anyone ever considered a "filler" piece to scale the Alco's up? Rog Meekhof

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74540	From: scaler164	Date: 4/7/2014
Subject: In Search Of : A M Gondola

I am in search of ONE American Models GONDOLA, undecorated with scale wheels... preferrably new in original box, but will consider used.  AM item # is 4400S.   Will gladly buy direct from AM if nobody else has one available; I have nothing against AM, I am just trying to support the shop owners who stock S stuff.  Have already checked Des Plaines Hobbies, but they don't have any.  Any one know of any other good, online hobby shops that might carry these?     John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74541	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 4/8/2014
Subject: Modified (kit bashed) AF Casey Jones

Attachments : #1898 CJ Engine Shell.jpg Well, here we go once again "KIT BASHING" one of those supposedly worthless American Flyer "CASEY JONES" engine and tender units.      As you can see by way of the attached photo we have shortened the engine shell by about an inch (this will put the rear driver under the cab where it belongs), opened up the windows, changed out the pressure domes and installed a box style headlight housing. We also did some selective filing and drilled two holes for the green LED marker lights. The headlight will also have an LED chip installed.      This engine shell is now more in line with what the PRR had early on.      More photos later. LBR

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74542	From: Steve Lunde	Date: 4/8/2014
Subject: 2014 NASG Convention

Just three more weeks to take advantage of the early bird special on your registration to this year’s NASG National Convention.  Early registration ends April 30th and rates will increase. This year’s convention will be in Oconomowoc , Wisconsin at the beautiful Olympia Resort, Hotel, Spa and Conference Center .  Oconomowoc is located about 20 miles west of Milwaukee about 2 miles north of I-94. This year's commerative car is a SOO Line wood sided refer, produced by MTH.  This is the first S Scale commerative car produced by MTH. The convention will kick off on Wednesday morning with a tour to the Circus World Museum in Baraboo , Wisconsin .   See, www.circusworld.wisconsinhistory.org/ for more information.  Wednesday evening will feature the traditional Ice Breaker get together with hors d’oeuvre, and cash bar, attendance is free with full registration. Thursday morning is a tour to the Illinois Railway Museum in Union , Illinois .  See www.irm.org/ for more information.  Thursday evening starts our clinic schedule with the S Scale List get together at 9:00 PM Friday the dealer hall is open all day, along with clinics, and model contest entries. Saturday has the dealer hall open, more clinics, model contest judging followed by a social hour and banquet.  To conclude our activities, is the traditional NASG auction with the legendary Jamie Bothwell as auctioneer. Sunday is self-guided tours of many S Gauge layouts in the area. For additional information,  registration forms and convention car order forms, please visit www.nasg.org and look at the convention page. Hope to see everyone in July.  The ice should be melted by then. “S”incerely Steve Lunde                                                                                                                                                            2014 NASG Convention Chairman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74543	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/8/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer Alco PAs

How about the shell of a Gilbert link coupler PA ? On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:50 PM, "rwmres@..." <rwmres@...> wrote:   I know we really need more PAs but Lionel just released in their new catalog, D&H PAs with all the new tmcc stuff which are tempting. But off course they left the big open pilot and the monster coupler sticking out. Sure could use some scale influence from their steamers. Anyone ever considered a "filler" piece to scale the Alco's up? Rog Meekhof

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74544	From: lx5043	Date: 4/9/2014
Subject: Re: Modified (kit bashed) AF Casey Jones

Please keep the photos coming, very interesting project. I have this engine in my collection and have a difficult time keeping the front wheels on the track as you might remember. (You provided me with some free helpful advice about this several months ago.) I adjusted the front wheel width and added some small round kitchen magnets to the front wheel truck. This helped quite a bit but the problem still persists. A heavy duty front truck possibly with metal wheels should help if one ever becomes available. It was interesting to read about your modification/shorting of the engine shell. Looking forward to your final product.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74545	From: David GMX	Date: 4/9/2014
Subject: Update of Imlay Train Station Website

Hi fellow S Scalers,   I’ve just updated my website, www.imlaytrains.com.  I’ve added a B & O Wagon Top Caboose I found  buried back in the shelves, updated other items and reduced some pricing.  Please check it out.   Thanks, Dave Held

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74546	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Modified (kit bashed) AF Casey Jones

John,      We have come up with a prototype pilot truck design that weighs about 2 oz. that is a compilation of our heavy weight Atlantic pilot truck and sections from an original CJ pilot truck. Now to run our tests on it to see if it runs well over the next few weeks. LBR  On Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:32 AM, "johnpalm@..." <johnpalm@...> wrote:   Please keep the photos coming, very interesting project. I have this engine in my collection and have a difficult time keeping the front wheels on the track as you might remember. (You provided me with some free helpful advice about this several months ago.) I adjusted the front wheel width and added some small round kitchen magnets to the front wheel truck. This helped quite a bit but the problem still persists. A heavy duty front truck possibly with metal wheels should help if one ever becomes available. It was interesting to read about your modification/shorting of the engine shell. Looking forward to your final product.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74547	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions

I've been re-powering my steamers with cans from S-n-S Trains and decided to check out the smoke units and do them while the engines are apart. So far most of the heater wires seem so be fine but several have no wicks or just a little bit of wick material in the coils but not extending out to act like a wick. So my questions. 1.  How long should the angel hair wicks be?  I'm guessing at least a couple inches to reach the bottom of the reservoirs.  Would dental floss be a decent replacement? 2.  Where do you get angel hair this time of year?  All I can find right now is on Amazon and it is iridescent which I would think would not be the best solution. thanks Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 4/9/2014 3:02 PM, David GMX wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74548	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions

Carey,      The wick should be 10 1/2 inches long. The wick is a fiber glass like material and can be found at your local hardware or home center as a replacement for tiki-torch wicks. The wire should have 17 turns (no more & no less). LBR On Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:40 AM, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:   I've been re-powering my steamers with cans from S-n-S Trains and decided to check out the smoke units and do them while the engines are apart. So far most of the heater wires seem so be fine but several have no wicks or just a little bit of wick material in the coils but not extending out to act like a wick. So my questions. 1.  How long should the angel hair wicks be?  I'm guessing at least a couple inches to reach the bottom of the reservoirs.  Would dental floss be a decent replacement? 2.  Where do you get angel hair this time of year?  All I can find right now is on Amazon and it is iridescent which I would think would not be the best solution. thanks Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 4/9/2014 3:02 PM, David GMX wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74549	From: carl4flyer	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions

Carey,   Tiki Torch wicks are a good source of long lasting material for the smoke wicks. Un-braid them for the right size wicks. A two inches of wicking outside of the element is about right. It could be a bit more. The Nichrome wire is 38 gauge.(E-Bay usually has some). The coil should measure 35-40 ohms for a unit that is wired across the track voltage and 30 ohms for one that is wired across the motor brushes or field.    Carl   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carey Probst Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions     I've been re-powering my steamers with cans from S-n-S Trains and decided to check out the smoke units and do them while the engines are apart. So far most of the heater wires seem so be fine but several have no wicks or just a little bit of wick material in the coils but not extending out to act like a wick. So my questions. 1.  How long should the angel hair wicks be?  I'm guessing at least a couple inches to reach the bottom of the reservoirs.  Would dental floss be a decent replacement? 2.  Where do you get angel hair this time of year?  All I can find right now is on Amazon and it is iridescent which I would think would not be the best solution. thanks Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 4/9/2014 3:02 PM, David GMX wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74550	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions

Carey, You do not need to buy the wire. Tom Barker will send you enough for 2 units for free. Send him a file card in a SASE to ROUNDHOUSE       1223 Lake Point Dr      Webster, NY 14580    Mike   In a message dated 4/10/2014 5:58:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, carl@... writes:   Carey, Tiki Torch wicks are a good source of long lasting material for the smoke wicks. Un-braid them for the right size wicks. A two inches of wicking outside of the element is about right. It could be a bit more. The Nichrome wire is 38 gauge.(E-Bay usually has some). The coil should measure 35-40 ohms for a unit that is wired across the track voltage and 30 ohms for one that is wired across the motor brushes or field.  Carl From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carey Probst Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions   I've been re-powering my steamers with cans from S-n-S Trains and decided to check out the smoke units and do them while the engines are apart. So far most of the heater wires seem so be fine but several have no wicks or just a little bit of wick material in the coils but not extending out to act like a wick. So my questions. 1.  How long should the angel hair wicks be?  I'm guessing at least a couple inches to reach the bottom of the reservoirs.  Would dental floss be a decent replacement? 2.  Where do you get angel hair this time of year?  All I can find right now is on Amazon and it is iridescent which I would think would not be the best solution. thanks Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 4/9/2014 3:02 PM, David GMX wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74551	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions

Thanks all, So far all the wire has been fine and I did receive a supply from Tom a while back. Tiki torch wicks are something I would never have thought of. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 4/10/2014 9:07 AM, anormal1@... wrote:   Carey, You do not need to buy the wire. Tom Barker will send you enough for 2 units for free. Send him a file card in a SASE to ROUNDHOUSE       1223 Lake Point Dr      Webster, NY 14580    Mike   In a message dated 4/10/2014 5:58:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, carl@... writes:   Carey, Tiki Torch wicks are a good source of long lasting material for the smoke wicks. Un-braid them for the right size wicks. A two inches of wicking outside of the element is about right. It could be a bit more. The Nichrome wire is 38 gauge.(E-Bay usually has some). The coil should measure 35-40 ohms for a unit that is wired across the track voltage and 30 ohms for one that is wired across the motor brushes or field.  Carl From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carey Probst Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions   I've been re-powering my steamers with cans from S-n-S Trains and decided to check out the smoke units and do them while the engines are apart. So far most of the heater wires seem so be fine but several have no wicks or just a little bit of wick material in the coils but not extending out to act like a wick. So my questions. 1.  How long should the angel hair wicks be?  I'm guessing at least a couple inches to reach the bottom of the reservoirs.  Would dental floss be a decent replacement? 2.  Where do you get angel hair this time of year?  All I can find right now is on Amazon and it is iridescent which I would think would not be the best solution. thanks Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 4/9/2014 3:02 PM, David GMX wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74552	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Help Identify Loco

Hi Folks, I have a loco I acquired a few years (maybe decades) ago. It is custom painted and seems to have no other manufacturer markings. The loco is an 0-4-0T with a B&O logo on the boiler front. The wheels have scale flanges and right how, it has no couplers. I really do not recall who made it if I ever knew. It runs on DC power. You can see 4 photos of it in the album: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/677220287 Any ideas? Thanks, Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74553	From: trndad	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Help Identify Loco

Looks like you have a Rex docksider.   Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74554	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Re: Help Identify Loco

Sounds like a REX   In a message dated 4/10/2014 1:42:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wpporter@... writes:   Hi Folks, I have a loco I acquired a few years (maybe decades) ago. It is custom painted and seems to have no other manufacturer markings. The loco is an 0-4-0T with a B&O logo on the boiler front. The wheels have scale flanges and right how, it has no couplers. I really do not recall who made it if I ever knew. It runs on DC power. You can see 4 photos of it in the album: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/677220287 Any ideas? Thanks, Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74555	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/10/2014
Subject: Help identify loco

This is a Putt Trains Docksider.  Terry Putt bought the tooling, a lot of unfinished castings, and bunch of parts from the guys who took over REX many years ago.  His later locos mostly had the nylon axle gear and can motors, which made them smooth and quiet.  They could be ordered as kits, but few people did that, so he started to offer them built up.   The Putt locos could be ordered in AC or DC track power, with and without Dallee reverse unit, scale or hi-rail wheel flanges, scale or hi-rail couplers, with or without full valve gear, with or without smoke unit (Suethe type) and with or without headlights and back up lights (where appropriate.)  He would also paint and decal the loco for a roadname you specified.  They were truely a custom build, and much updated from the original REX versions.   I first met Terry a number of years ago and at one time I collected all the Putt/Rex locos including the Dockside, the 0-6-0 with tender, the Mogul, and one of the last six 2-4-4T Suburbans ever made.  I also had the Trolley and still have two 4 wheel Diesels of his own manufacture.  All ran well and were very accurate to scale, unlike Flyer locos which are only "close" to scale.   Terry is a good guy and we still see him from time to time, mostly at the Spree.  Unfortunately, other things have kept him too busy to return to train manufacture.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74556	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 4/11/2014
Subject: Re: Rebuilding smoke units - 2 Questions

I was about to reply with the offer of free Nichrome wire (I give away #40). Thanks for posting. My Repair Guide Book shows how to do the job and the companion video (on YouTube) does it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaT4osktxOg Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74557	From: lx5043	Date: 4/11/2014
Subject: Re: Modified (kit bashed) AF Casey Jones

Great, looking forward to the results. If you decide it works well enough, I'm in.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74558	From: paflyrman	Date: 4/11/2014
Subject: Paint Match for 25056

Does anyone know of a commercially available paint match for the yellow 25056 boxcar and flatcar? I would like to replace a missing door and cant find a match. Thank you,   Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74559	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/11/2014
Subject: ground

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74560	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/12/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/13/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 13, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74561	From: Richard Reichard	Date: 4/13/2014
Subject: 54" Switch Building Manual for AF-S Track

To All Interested:         I have a NEW Switch Building Manual for AF-S track. It will require the track be disassembled and the rails re-curved to the new diameters using the UNIVERSAL RAIL BENDER for SECTIONAL TRACK or other means of bending. Then re-assembled per the detailed instructions and templates in the Manual.       This is what the Manual contains:                 1.) LH & RH S54 30° Switches                  2.) LH & RH S54 15° Switches                 3.) A S54 Wye (showing 3 options-15°,  22½° & 30°)                 4.) AF-S(Original) / S54 Curved Switches - LH & RH                  5.) Layout Dimensional Data - Dimensions for sidings for both 15° & 30° Switches                         also the dimensions for wyes using the 15° & 30° switches , dimensions for                         single crossovers using 15° & 30° switches and Track/rail Templates for 7½°, 15° & 30° in 54 inch dia.                 6.) A Switch Machine         Manual comes with complete instructions, material lists and suggested tool list.           I also have the UNIVERSAL RAIL BENDER.     I'll be at York Meet in Silver Hall, table M-9 (East end). Please stop by.     Dick Reichard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74562	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/13/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/13/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 13, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74563	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/13/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74564	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 4/13/2014
Subject: More Casey Bashed Photos

Attachments : #1898 CJ-8.jpg #1898 CJ-7.jpg #1898 CJ-6.jpg #1898 CJ-5.jpg #1898 CJ-4.jpg For those of you that requested more photos of the kit bashed CJ. Here they are ;o) LBR

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74565	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/14/2014
Subject: New videos on the San Diego S Gauger's website

I have just uploaded three new videos to the club website:      <sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/videos> The new layout tour is also on the updated "about us" page:      <sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/about-us-and-s-gauge> Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74566	From: jjsmink	Date: 4/14/2014
Subject: Model Railroader DVD

Anyone have any useful comment, either positive or neg on the Model Railroader complete dvd.  I'm cleaning out the basement and thinking about swaping out the old magazines for the dvd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74567	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 4/14/2014
Subject: Speaker Question

Greetings! Working on a Flyer K325 and the speaker "paper" has a "crack" in it. Is there a way to repair this and still have it function or is a new speaker in order? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74568	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/14/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question

Try this link: Search | Antique Electronic Supply  Mike In a message dated 4/14/2014 9:56:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, charles_hancock@... writes:   Greetings! Working on a Flyer K325 and the speaker "paper" has a "crack" in it. Is there a way to repair this and still have it function or is a new speaker in order? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74569	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question

Try a little elmers glue as a ridge on the crack. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:40:03 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Speaker Question   Greetings! Working on a Flyer K325 and the speaker "paper" has a "crack" in it. Is there a way to repair this and still have it function or is a new speaker in order? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74570	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question

B which I mean run some along it in aline so that it stands a little proud of the crack in the paper. Time honored cheap fix on radio speakers and with the lack of fidelity required in this application it will work fine with no rattle. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:15:47 +0930 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Speaker Question   Try a little elmers glue as a ridge on the crack. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:40:03 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Speaker Question   Greetings! Working on a Flyer K325 and the speaker "paper" has a "crack" in it. Is there a way to repair this and still have it function or is a new speaker in order? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74571	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: S-Trains

I have used rubber cement on them before with good luck. the rubber seems to stay flexible enough so when the cone moves it does not sound crackily. Hope you understand what I mean LOL! Chris Burger. Cbtrainnut

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74572	From: brendakenchris	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Model Railroader DVD

Try Elmers glue. Used narrow bead along the crack, as a kid, yesterday ya know. Speaker did work for a long time. Until another finger went through the cone. Holes are best left as a hole. Adds too much weight and glue if the hole is covered. Ken Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74573	From: lionely6b	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question

There used to be something called cone cement available intended for repair of paper speaker cones. Radio Shack may still have such an item, but brushing some Duco cement (pretty similar stuff) over the tear in the paper cone and letting it thoroughly dry should accomplish the same repair. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck >> Greetings! Working on a Flyer K325 and the speaker "paper" has a "crack" in it. Is there a way to repair this and still have it function or is a new speaker in order? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,  Charlie in W MI <<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74574	From: johntech	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Model Railroader DVD

 I have it and it's ok. You can search for different things in all the articles. It is basically the magazines scanned in to a searchable database. You can print out the articles you want or just the page. It is still 90% HO with Lionel , N and maybe some Z  and S sprinkled in there. Same 90% advertisements 10% content. But if you don't have all the original magazines from the beginning to 1995 or when the cutoff date was, they are all there.   John Frankforther   ----- Original Message ----- From: jjsmink@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Model Railroader DVD   Anyone have any useful comment, either positive or neg on the Model Railroader complete dvd.  I'm cleaning out the basement and thinking about swaping out the old magazines for the dvd This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74575	From: Dave	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question

I've repaired many cones that way. If there is a piece missing, I have filled it in with simple paper reinfored by a coaring of white glue (dries clear) .      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of rbubeck327@... Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Speaker Question     There used to be something called cone cement available intended for repair of paper speaker cones. Radio Shack may still have such an item, but brushing some Duco cement (pretty similar stuff) over the tear in the paper cone and letting it thoroughly dry should accomplish the same repair.   Hope this helps.   Bob Bubeck     >> Greetings! Working on a Flyer K325 and the speaker "paper" has a "crack" in it. Is there a way to repair this and still have it function or is a new speaker in order? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes,  Charlie in W MI <<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74576	From: johntech	Date: 4/15/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question

 I would use something like rubber cement. I have re-coned several speakers and the manufacture supplied a cement similar to rubber cement to glue the cone edges to the basket   John Frankforther     ----- Original Message ----- From: alizoo@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Speaker Question   Try a little elmers glue as a ridge on the crack. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:40:03 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Speaker Question   Greetings! Working on a Flyer K325 and the speaker "paper" has a "crack" in it. Is there a way to repair this and still have it function or is a new speaker in order? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74577	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 4/16/2014
Subject: Looking for American Models/SHS flex...

I'm looking for some scale & hi rail compatible flex track, at least 4 sections, maybe some sectional pieces, turnouts, etc. Used OK as long as it's usable. Will consider larger purchase, as I'm planning a switch yard expansion next year. MUST be scale/hi rail compatable, like S Helper, American Models, etc. I don't necessarily need the roadbed, but will consider it..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74578	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 4/16/2014
Subject: York

I hope you will all have fun at York next week,I will not be there.My wife fell and had to have shoulder replaced. I will be staying home to help her.   Bob Persing  (BOBBYLINE PARTS)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74579	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: American Models or S Trax Flex??

I need to make a few tight radius curves for an inner loop work trolley.. A little more detail on the layout that will travel thru a cliff wall and re-emerge elsewhere. Anyway, I have American Models flex, but don't know if I can get the small radius I need. I heard that S Helper is easier to work with for smaller curves, but the MTH website says their flex is for radius curves larger than their sectional.. It will be mounted to a plywood base, so it's OK if it wants to spring back.. If there's another option that doesn't involve hand laying the rails, I'd welcome the input..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74580	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: Morons at the Wheel (off topic)

We're all out on the road, going to work, the store, or going to train shows, and we generally think nothing of it.  But driving a motor vehicle is the most dangerous daily activity we do statistically.  And it's getting MORE dangerous!   Call it the "dumbing down of America" if you wish, but I felt safer driving my Stock Car many years ago than I do today driving to the grocery store!   The roads have been taken over by some of the poorest driving I have seen in my nearly fifty years on the road!  We look into this today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com     Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74581	From: poniaj	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: American Models or S Trax Flex?? PS

UR3?16, Either the MTH/SHS or AM style flextrack will be better if you pre bend the track instead of relying on nailing it to plywood to hold it in place.  MTH's advertising recommends their track for larger radii, but smaller will work too.  It's just that regular trains don't like such small radii.  Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74582	From: poniaj	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: American Models or S Trax Flex??

UR3/16 Just how tight a radius are you looking for?  In general the SHS flextrack is much more flexible than the AM type, true.  But neither wants to be extremely tight, as would be required on a street car line.  Your requirements sound like mine.  I have a relatively long and relatively straight run for my street  cars, but once in a tunnel, an extremely tight radius was needed.  And my street cars also return via a hidden track, also requiring a tight radius.  The MTH flextraci, if it is like the SHS type will take a very tight radius, and keep it if you bend it severely.  In my application, I needed a 9" radius.  But I had AM track on hand and used that.  Bending the track required me stripping off all the ties, bending the rails to the desired radii (since the inside rail is tighter than the outside on) and re-installing pairs of ties at 1" in the unseen areas.  Since the turns are in a tunnel, appearance isn't critical.  Besides, when visible, the rails and ties are sunk into the surface of my layout, as would the rails on an actual street car line's.  THere, they are cemented into the foam surface, and the road surface, being .060" styrene, leaves a few thousandths of the rail higher than the road for track cleaning purposes. I hope the photos come through as inserts.  If not, you can see them in a file on this site labeled Jerry's Stuffe.. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74583	From: poniaj	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: American Models or S Trax Flex??

UR3/16 I posted three photos of what I did on my layout in a folder marked Jerry's Trains (not Jerry's Stuffe) Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74584	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: American Models or S Trax Flex?? PS

Does anyone know when MTH is scheduled to begin shipping the SHS-type flextrack?    - Earl Henry, Nashville       In a message dated 4/19/2014 8:23:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, poniaj@... writes:   UR3?16, Either the MTH/SHS or AM style flextrack will be better if you pre bend the track instead of relying on nailing it to plywood to hold it in place.  MTH's advertising recommends their track for larger radii, but smaller will work too.  It's just that regular trains don't like such small radii.  Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74585	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: American Models or S Trax?

As a builder of numerous Micro Layouts in On3O and a couple of small S gauge layouts, the radius you want to make will have something to do with how you bend the track, no matter which manufacture's product you use.  I have bent Atlas Code 100 HO flextrack down to 3" radius in On30 without pre-bending the rail, but I DID have to cut the ties apart on the tie strip.   However, I found SHS flex track to be harder to bend due to it's heavier rail cross section (about Code 127).  I did one layout with 15" radius that worked fine without pre-bending, but in going to 12" radius on a siding, I had to cut the ties apart (they're molded in strips like Atlas track in HO) to get enough "flex."  A future project will require bending S track to a 12" standard radius for an OnS layout.   I have not used AM flex track, which has a larger rail cross section than SHS flex track, but it's probably a bit harder to bend.   One tip I would strongly suggest for anyone going to tight radius curves is to solder all rail joints ahead of fastening down the track, and try NOT to put rail joints on a curve if possible.   Joints are a weak spot for kinking and/or going out of guage.  Besides, soldered joints improve electrical continuity.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74586	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: American Models or S Trax Flex??

Hi Phuster, I have a portable trolley layout that uses American Models flex track. The curves on that thing are about 6-inch radius. Tight enough for you? Let me know if you need a photo. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 4/19/2014 7:52 AM, phuster_6@... wrote:  I need to make a few tight radius curves for an inner loop work trolley.. A little more detail on the layout that will travel thru a cliff wall and re-emerge elsewhere. Anyway, I have American Models flex, but don't know if I can get the small radius I need. I heard that S Helper is easier to work with for smaller curves, but the MTH website says their flex is for radius curves larger than their sectional.. It will be mounted to a plywood base, so it's OK if it wants to spring back.. If there's another option that doesn't involve hand laying the rails, I'd welcome the input..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74587	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/20/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 20, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74588	From: sscaleroy	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: Model Railroader DVD

---- jjsmink@... wrote: > Anyone have any useful comment, either positive or neg on the Model Railroader complete dvd. I'm cleaning out the basement and thinking about swaping out the old magazines for the dvd I have the disk. It has all of the issues for 75 years. I like it. Takes up a lot less room. It is easy to use. Roy J Meissner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74589	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2014
Subject: Re: Model Railroader DVD

Roy,    I been thinking of getting a copy myself. I understand there are drawings on it that I am looking for.....BAP (Butte Anaconda & Pacific) boxcab electrics. If you don't mind my asking how much is it?           Bob Lampe CC: jjsmink@... From: rmeissner@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 23:36:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Model Railroader DVD   ---- jjsmink@... wrote: > Anyone have any useful comment, either positive or neg on the Model Railroader complete dvd. I'm cleaning out the basement and thinking about swaping out the old magazines for the dvd I have the disk. It has all of the issues for 75 years. I like it. Takes up a lot less room. It is easy to use. Roy J Meissner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74590	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/20/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74591	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/20/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/20/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 20, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74592	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/20/2014
Subject: One Small Town

Once upon a time.. http://topinfopost.com/2014/03/22/a-man-spent-years-taking-photos-of-one-small-town-when-you-look-closer-youll-see-why Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74593	From: vu68	Date: 4/20/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED : 21" Radius AM Curved Track Sections

I also need the 21" radius track from AM - but more like 24 pieces.  Did you get your pieces and perhaps have any other extra responses that you could pass on to me Thanks. John Zurad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74594	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/20/2014
Subject: Retainer for AF searchlight on flatcar

Hello friends,   I have acquired an American Flyer #946 (7210 number on car) Erie Depressed Center Floodlight Car with a red generator and knuckle couplers that needs some sort of retainer, snap ring or whatever to holds the floodlight to the deck of the flatcar.    I haven't found an exploded view of this particular car among my books and catalogs or on the web, so I don't know what the retainer looks like or the part number.  Can someone point me to the right part or its hardware store available substitute?   I don't see much of a flange or groove on the bottom of the searchlight bracket, so I am not sure just how it should be held to the car. The car is otherwise in very good condition and does not appear to be damaged or broken around the light bracket or the mounting hole, but without another identical car to examine, I just don't know what the original set up was.   Also, since the wire needs to be re-soldered to the truck, I assume I will need remove the truck to solder the wire and install a retainer, but if someone has a way to accomplish this repair without doing so, I would be open to suggestions.  I hate to mess with a good truck rivet if I don't have to.   Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.   Cheers!   Alan Bennett Keizer, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74595	From: piccu56	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

I have acquired a beautiful 597 Pre War American Flyer A-Koostikin (talking) station. I would like to know if someone can give me a detailed hook up wiring diagram for this early model? It is not like the later 755 Talking Station inside so the current 755 Service Manual and hook up instructions do not work. The cam unit is there, but it only has two contact fingers and no resistor. There is also no single lead to the lamp as in the 755. Motor runs, lamp lights, record plays weakly, but that is with the all black cloth covered wire set to Base Post and ANY of the other wires to the 17V fixed. This makes no sense as the one contact isn't even touching the cam! Also, its advertised in the 1948 catalog as being able to stop the train. How can it do that with no resistor circuit? This one has me stumped. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74596	From: piccu56	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: Speaker Question

No need to replace unless the coil is cooked. Just gently align the tear edges then apply some Elmers white glue along the split and leave dry over night. I've repaired some pretty torn up speakers this way and they always worked fine. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74597	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: Retainer for AF searchlight on flatcar

Hi Alan,                       The part number is PA8864. I am out of these at this time.                                                 Tom Seccia                                                  Triple"S"Supplies On Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:20 PM, Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote:   Hello friends,   I have acquired an American Flyer #946 (7210 number on car) Erie Depressed Center Floodlight Car with a red generator and knuckle couplers that needs some sort of retainer, snap ring or whatever to holds the floodlight to the deck of the flatcar.    I haven't found an exploded view of this particular car among my books and catalogs or on the web, so I don't know what the retainer looks like or the part number.  Can someone point me to the right part or its hardware store available substitute?   I don't see much of a flange or groove on the bottom of the searchlight bracket, so I am not sure just how it should be held to the car. The car is otherwise in very good condition and does not appear to be damaged or broken around the light bracket or the mounting hole, but without another identical car to examine, I just don't know what the original set up was.   Also, since the wire needs to be re-soldered to the truck, I assume I will need remove the truck to solder the wire and install a retainer, but if someone has a way to accomplish this repair without doing so, I would be open to suggestions.  I hate to mess with a good truck rivet if I don't have to.   Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.   Cheers!   Alan Bennett Keizer, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74598	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

David,   A naïve question – was this station designed to run on DC?  If so, the engines did not have/need a reversing switch for the locomotive motor and the resistor in the cam unit would not be needed.   Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of piccu56@... Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 9:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station     I have acquired a beautiful 597 Pre War American Flyer A-Koostikin (talking) station. I would like to know if someone can give me a detailed hook up wiring diagram for this early model? It is not like the later 755 Talking Station inside so the current 755 Service Manual and hook up instructions do not work. The cam unit is there, but it only has two contact fingers and no resistor. There is also no single lead to the lamp as in the 755. Motor runs, lamp lights, record plays weakly, but that is with the all black cloth covered wire set to Base Post and ANY of the other wires to the 17V fixed. This makes no sense as the one contact isn't even touching the cam! Also, its advertised in the 1948 catalog as being able to stop the train. How can it do that with no resistor circuit? This one has me stumped. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74599	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: Retainer for AF searchlight on flatcar

Hi try tom seccia of triple s he has a vast knowledge of parts and numbers Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote:   Hello friends,   I have acquired an American Flyer #946 (7210 number on car) Erie Depressed Center Floodlight Car with a red generator and knuckle couplers that needs some sort of retainer, snap ring or whatever to holds the floodlight to the deck of the flatcar.    I haven't found an exploded view of this particular car among my books and catalogs or on the web, so I don't know what the retainer looks like or the part number.  Can someone point me to the right part or its hardware store available substitute?   I don't see much of a flange or groove on the bottom of the searchlight bracket, so I am not sure just how it should be held to the car. The car is otherwise in very good condition and does not appear to be damaged or broken around the light bracket or the mounting hole, but without another identical car to examine, I just don't know what the original set up was.   Also, since the wire needs to be re-soldered to the truck, I assume I will need remove the truck to solder the wire and install a retainer, but if someone has a way to accomplish this repair without doing so, I would be open to suggestions.  I hate to mess with a good truck rivet if I don't have to.   Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.   Cheers!   Alan Bennett Keizer, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74600	From: bstilesaf	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Flyer "Nut" meeting

Hello- I have not attended one of these "pre-York" meetings in a while...is the Thursday evening Flyer "Nut" meeting still held at the Reliance fire hall or not since that building is open for sales through Friday? If not Reliance, then where shall I point my car? Thanks! Looking forward to a great training week! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74601	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

A naive answer, the motor is AC only. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:48:52 -0700 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station   David,   A naïve question – was this station designed to run on DC?  If so, the engines did not have/need a reversing switch for the locomotive motor and the resistor in the cam unit would not be needed.   Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of piccu56@... Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 9:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station     I have acquired a beautiful 597 Pre War American Flyer A-Koostikin (talking) station. I would like to know if someone can give me a detailed hook up wiring diagram for this early model? It is not like the later 755 Talking Station inside so the current 755 Service Manual and hook up instructions do not work. The cam unit is there, but it only has two contact fingers and no resistor. There is also no single lead to the lamp as in the 755. Motor runs, lamp lights, record plays weakly, but that is with the all black cloth covered wire set to Base Post and ANY of the other wires to the 17V fixed. This makes no sense as the one contact isn't even touching the cam! Also, its advertised in the 1948 catalog as being able to stop the train. How can it do that with no resistor circuit? This one has me stumped. David ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74602	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

I need the same instructions. BTW you need a new needle for thr record reproducer. The needles were only intended to be used at most 6 or 7 times. You can get them for a few bucks a hundred from one of the antique phonograph supply people on Google. Ordinary steel phonograph needles were actually intended to play only one record as the shellac composition in the records contained an abrasive which wore the needle to the shape of the individual groove. You could play the same record several times but had to change needles for every record. Easy to change - just lift the head of the cradle and remove the needle using the knurled knob fitted. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 21 Apr 2014 09:58:31 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station   I have acquired a beautiful 597 Pre War American Flyer A-Koostikin (talking) station. I would like to know if someone can give me a detailed hook up wiring diagram for this early model? It is not like the later 755 Talking Station inside so the current 755 Service Manual and hook up instructions do not work. The cam unit is there, but it only has two contact fingers and no resistor. There is also no single lead to the lamp as in the 755. Motor runs, lamp lights, record plays weakly, but that is with the all black cloth covered wire set to Base Post and ANY of the other wires to the 17V fixed. This makes no sense as the one contact isn't even touching the cam! Also, its advertised in the 1948 catalog as being able to stop the train. How can it do that with no resistor circuit? This one has me stumped. David ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74603	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

In fact if you run it on DC it may burn it out. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 06:17:47 +0930 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station   A naive answer, the motor is AC only. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:48:52 -0700 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station   David,   A naïve question – was this station designed to run on DC?  If so, the engines did not have/need a reversing switch for the locomotive motor and the resistor in the cam unit would not be needed.   Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of piccu56@... Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 9:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station     I have acquired a beautiful 597 Pre War American Flyer A-Koostikin (talking) station. I would like to know if someone can give me a detailed hook up wiring diagram for this early model? It is not like the later 755 Talking Station inside so the current 755 Service Manual and hook up instructions do not work. The cam unit is there, but it only has two contact fingers and no resistor. There is also no single lead to the lamp as in the 755. Motor runs, lamp lights, record plays weakly, but that is with the all black cloth covered wire set to Base Post and ANY of the other wires to the 17V fixed. This makes no sense as the one contact isn't even touching the cam! Also, its advertised in the 1948 catalog as being able to stop the train. How can it do that with no resistor circuit? This one has me stumped. David ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74604	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "Nut" meeting

Ben,        Still there, we start gathering around 7:30   Harwood -----Original Message----- From: lbstiles <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 21, 2014 3:52 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer "Nut" meeting   Hello- I have not attended one of these "pre-York" meetings in a while...is the Thursday evening Flyer "Nut" meeting still held at the Reliance fire hall or not since that building is open for sales through Friday? If not Reliance, then where shall I point my car? Thanks! Looking forward to a great training week! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74605	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 4/21/2014
Subject: Speaker Repair

Greetings! Many thanks for all the suggestions on "Speaker Repair", and to John for he "How To" video! I wonder if that could be added to Portlines Repair Clinics? White glue was the most suggested repair medium and it preformed well. The tear is barely visible and the paper is still quite flexible. Again, my thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74606	From: racin510	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

I have a couple of extra saphire tip needles that I got from an antique phonograph repair dealer some time ago. I've used them in 2 stations and they have worked quite well. They should be good for hundreds of plays and eliminate the need to change after what I figure to be a safe range of 15 plays with the steel needles. $6.00 each to anyone who wants one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74607	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

Yep that's a good way to go. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 22 Apr 2014 02:42:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station   I have a couple of extra saphire tip needles that I got from an antique phonograph repair dealer some time ago. I've used them in 2 stations and they have worked quite well. They should be good for hundreds of plays and eliminate the need to change after what I figure to be a safe range of 15 plays with the steel needles. $6.00 each to anyone who wants one. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74608	From: bstilesaf	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "Nut" meeting

Harwood,   Thanks for the reply. I am surprised it is held there with sales tables still i nthe room...but that makes it easier on me! Looking forward to it!   Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74609	From: racin510	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

It really is the way to go and these needles aren't available anymore as far as I know. To clarify, the ones I have to sell have never been used; I had to buy the phonograph dealer's last 5 pack from his old stock and never expect to replace a needle again. $6. each.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74610	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Spring S Spree coming up SOON!

I posted about this last week, but it vanished for some reason.  Of course, being on Crumbcast Internet, these things happen sometimes.    The Spring S Spree is scheduled for May 1-3 with the actual event on Friday and Saturday, and it's an event Cindy have only missed once in many years.  It's great to meet old friends, make new ones, and talk to all the good people.  And you can bet that we'll be at the Friday night Pizza Party and the Pancake Toss Breakfast Saturday morning!   As usual we'll have the small portable layout with a surprise even smaller layout this year, plus models from the My Flyer Trains construction series, and a few things to "thin my herd" of too much S stuff.  (Seventeen steam locos and 105 pieces of rolling stock are just too many to run on my layout!)   Our layout seems to be a gathering point for train builders and runners, so stop by for a visit.  Who else will be coming?   Stumpy in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74611	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree coming up SOON!

 ----- Original Message ----- From: mr stumpy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com . . . . . . . The Spring S Spree is scheduled for May 1-3 with the actual event on Friday and Saturday,. . . . . . . . .  Who else will be coming? > > > > > > > > > I'll have some tables there, selling track, SMMW kits, maybe some intermodal stuff, and odds & ends that didn't go east when I downsized.   Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74612	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree coming up SOON!

I will be in WV sat and sunday....... Where in Calif is it at? Bob On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 10:00 PM, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote:    ----- Original Message ----- From: mr stumpy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com . . . . . . . The Spring S Spree is scheduled for May 1-3 with the actual event on Friday and Saturday,. . . . . . . . .  Who else will be coming? > > > > > > > > > I'll have some tables there, selling track, SMMW kits, maybe some intermodal stuff, and odds & ends that didn't go east when I downsized.   Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74613	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 4/22/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West

Pre registration is coming to a close on April 30th, San Mateo, Calif. . For more information see: .http://ggafc.org/FFW2014/FFW.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74614	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Train Table For Sale

We remodeled our basement, and the train table was removed to make way for a separate utility room and a game room . If you live in Colorado or a nearby State, you might want to check it out. I have pictures of the lay-out prior to disassembling it down in sections. It is in the shape of a backward "J", and has homosote top to deaden the noise with a green mat glued to the homosote. This table was made by an industrial arts teacher back in 1997, and has been a working train table through the fall of 2013. The sections could be hauled in a large pickup since the legs have been unscrewed. For more information and pictures contact me at 303-888-4474 (cell) or email me at: gmichael.leahy@... Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74615	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree coming up soon!

The Spree is in Marion, OH. on May 1-3 this year.  Marion is in the center of the state just North of Columbus on Rt 23.  For all the details go to the Central Ohio S Gaugers website at: www.COSG.org  .   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74616	From: Lou Templeton	Date: 4/23/2014
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree coming up SOON!

Hey Stump,  The Pittsburgh S Gaugers are madly working on our new six section 9' X 15' interaction layout to bring to the show. It is a work in progress and is not quite finished, but we'll be able to run trains (hopefully) and work some accessories. This will be our first outing with it and I'm sure there will be some bugs to work out. Looking forward to seeing you there.  Lou Templeton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74617	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE April 24 (of topic)

I have been doing a lot of thinking and research of late about modern automobiles.  Last week it was safety on the road, and today we consider the new cars that are coming out.   Do you know what the two most popular and most produced cars in history were and why?  It appears that the world's automakers don't know either!  Find out on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74618	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree coming up SOON!

Al, Thanks for joining the interactive public portable layout move. It is now starting to spread in this area. Even the O gaugers are reluctantly switching over. I guess they got tired of seeing all of the people having fun around our layout. I would love to see some pictures of your layout. Do you have a Club website. For ours, go to Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - ACSG - Main Page and go to either the Tidewater or Carolinas Division ages. Joe Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - ACSG - Main Page Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - ACSG "Promoting S Gauge along the East Coast" View on www.trainweb.org Preview by Yahoo   Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74619	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: York and MTH

To anyone at York: What kind of S gauge display does MTH have? Do they have a new S gauge catalog for 2014? Joe   Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74620	From: poniaj	Date: 4/24/2014
Subject: Re: York and MTH

If it's going to be anything like the one at the World's Greatest Hobby Show in Novi, MI a few months ago, it will be very disappointing.  One corner of one display kiosk had three shelves with 4 or 5 pre production models on it.  Nice looking, but..... BTW, here's the latest missive from MTH concerning two DT&I hoppers I ordered when they were first announced.  Take it for what it's worth: We wanted to let you know that your order will be slightly delayed. We expect to receive the items for shipment to you on Jun/10/2014. Jerry Waiting Patiently in Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74621	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: York and MTH

Lots of flyer at York yesterday. Some prices were high though. Still was a fun day Neil In Oregon via York On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:18 PM, <poniaj@...> wrote:   If it's going to be anything like the one at the World's Greatest Hobby Show in Novi, MI a few months ago, it will be very disappointing.  One corner of one display kiosk had three shelves with 4 or 5 pre production models on it.  Nice looking, but..... BTW, here's the latest missive from MTH concerning two DT&I hoppers I ordered when they were first announced.  Take it for what it's worth: We wanted to let you know that your order will be slightly delayed. We expect to receive the items for shipment to you on Jun/10/2014. Jerry Waiting Patiently in Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74622	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Polishing Aluminum

I need your advice. What have you found that works well in polishing the Pre-War O gauge American Flyer Burlington Zephyrs? Any tricks of the trade you are willing to share? Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74623	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74625	From: Mike Hayes	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: Polishing Aluminum

 I use 'WENOL'   It's a great automotive metal polish for cars.  It shines brass, chrome, copper, you name it better than anything I've tried.  It even leaves a clear coat over the shine so it doesn't tarnish as quick as brasso or some of the others.  I've got some A.F. 660 series cars and Zephyrs that were polished 25 years ago and they still look good.  Elbow grease is required also, but a felt wheel helps.  Good luck.  ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Leahy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 9:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Polishing Aluminum   I need your advice. What have you found that works well in polishing the Pre-War O gauge American Flyer Burlington Zephyrs? Any tricks of the trade you are willing to share? Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74626	From: rhicks308	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

I have posted the wiring instructions for the prewar talking station.  Hope that helps.  I am not aware that there was ever a version that didn't control the train.  Randall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74627	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS

Here's the DCC addendum for the Y-3: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6579748180251AF2882DCCAddendum.pdf Here's the SD70 book, DCC on pages 24-27: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6541748171250SD70ACe.pdf Bill On 4/25/2014 2:13 PM, allen.evans@... wrote:   Can someone post a list of the various DCC functions on these locos? Thanks much. Allen Evans NMRA / NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74628	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS

It's not quite as easy as that, however. The DCC guru in our club spent a couple hours with my SD 70 and couldn't get mine working. He did some research on the Internet and a week later was able to get it running. It only runs forward, however, and not In reverse, and it has nowhere near the functionality or sound that it does under the legacy system. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Apr 25, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Bill Clark <billclark424@...> wrote:   Here's the DCC addendum for the Y-3: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6579748180251AF2882DCCAddendum.pdf Here's the SD70 book, DCC on pages 24-27: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6541748171250SD70ACe.pdf Bill On 4/25/2014 2:13 PM, allen.evans@... wrote:   Can someone post a list of the various DCC functions on these locos? Thanks much. Allen Evans NMRA / NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74629	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/25/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS

Why did you not return the loco to Lionel?  Is it just that DCC operation is not important to you?   I read the documentation pertaining to the SD70 and it clearly indicates that the locomotive should do the usual functions associated with DCC locomotives.  And especially the capability to go forwards or backwards.    I did observe some language that indicated Lionel lacks confidence in the locomotive operating as it should using an NCE Command Station.  That indicates Lionel has problems with the electronics and may have tackled more than they can deliver in combining Legacy, DC. TMCC, and DCC in one locomotive, and expecting it to operate reliably.   I also found the documentation confusing and overly complex.  One should be able to put the locomotive on the track and have it immediately respond to the DCC signals being sent to it.    I use NCE DCC and there is no way I would want to order one of those Lionel locomotives.       -  Earl Henry, Nashville               In a message dated 4/25/2014 8:24:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes:   It's not quite as easy as that, however. The DCC guru in our club spent a couple hours with my SD 70 and couldn't get mine working. He did some research on the Internet and a week later was able to get it running. It only runs forward, however, and not In reverse, and it has nowhere near the functionality or sound that it does under the legacy system. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Apr 25, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Bill Clark <billclark424@...> wrote:   Here's the DCC addendum for the Y-3: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6579748180251AF2882DCCAddendum.pdf Here's the SD70 book, DCC on pages 24-27: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6541748171250SD70ACe.pdf Bill On 4/25/2014 2:13 PM, allen.evans@... wrote:   Can someone post a list of the various DCC functions on these locos? Thanks much. Allen Evans NMRA / NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74630	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

Hi Randall - thank you but I couldn't find it. Where is it posted please? A direct link would be great. Thank you. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 25 Apr 2014 14:30:42 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station   I have posted the wiring instructions for the prewar talking station.  Hope that helps.  I am not aware that there was ever a version that didn't control the train.  Randall ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74631	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/27/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74632	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

Thanks Randall - found it. I am very grateful for that. Now I can wire it up on my next layout. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 16:22:00 +0930 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station   Hi Randall - thank you but I couldn't find it. Where is it posted please? A direct link would be great. Thank you. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 25 Apr 2014 14:30:42 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station   I have posted the wiring instructions for the prewar talking station.  Hope that helps.  I am not aware that there was ever a version that didn't control the train.  Randall ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74633	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS

We have several SD70s running, and they run well. There is an issue that some of the SD70s do not have the speed step table loaded, which causes an issue if you are using 28 speed steps. That issue is very easy to fix with a decoder reset, or just run it 128 speed steps. There are a couple of CVs that might need to be adjusted for specific brands of DCC systems, they are covered in the manual. Most of the train talk/tower talk was not implemented, although it does work in startup/shutdown. Also the remote control couplers don't work, because of a technical issue (they were designed for AC, will need a redesign to work with DCC track power). The SD70 (and Y-3, with a software upgrade) work very, very well in DCC in my opinion. Excellent speed control, great sounds, and lots of smoke! Having done a boatload of conversions to DCC through the years, I am REALLY happy that Lionel/AF has decided to support DCC functionality out of the box! Bill On 4/25/2014 8:44 PM, The Upstairs Train wrote:   It's not quite as easy as that, however. The DCC guru in our club spent a couple hours with my SD 70 and couldn't get mine working. He did some research on the Internet and a week later was able to get it running. It only runs forward, however, and not In reverse, and it has nowhere near the functionality or sound that it does under the legacy system. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Apr 25, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Bill Clark <billclark424@...> wrote:   Here's the DCC addendum for the Y-3: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6579748180251AF2882DCCAddendum.pdf Here's the SD70 book, DCC on pages 24-27: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6541748171250SD70ACe.pdf Bill On 4/25/2014 2:13 PM, allen.evans@... wrote:   Can someone post a list of the various DCC functions on these locos? Thanks much. Allen Evans NMRA / NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74634	From: rhicks308	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

Sorry, Alistair, it didn't get posted for some reason.  I believe it's there now: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/1022102244 Randall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74635	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: Polishing Aluminum

I have done some of the AF 660 cars also. I used a product called Simichrome, it comes in a tube and is available at many of the motorcycle shops. It is expensive but works extremely well. This polish I also used on the cast end of the 663 observation car, when I purchased this set the end of the 663 looked like a piece of lead, but with a little polishing it brightened up to match the rest of the car. This polish really takes very little effort. The cars will shine like they are chromed. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74636	From: rzuerlein2001	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS

Earl:   Don't be afraid of these locomotives.  I have the DRGW heritage unit and run it almost exclusively on DCC.  It runs smoother, slower and the rail sounds are more accessable from DCC than AC.  I do not have the Legacy controllers so can't speak to the performance on this system.  The DC is inaccessable to most power supplies as it requires filterd DC and not pulsed DC.  I run NCE and have had no problems with it.  I will not buy another Lionel locomotive unless it has DCC capabilities.   Roger Zuerlein

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74637	From: mike gardner	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: side drop doors for 719,919 cars

I find a need for 2 of the doors for a 719 dump car. Lionel is making these now but  I do not know if they are the same.  Is there a part number or source for these or are the original parts available ? To any and all a big THANK  YOU for your help.       Thanks  Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74638	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Polishing Aluminum

Actually any good metal polishing compound will do a nice job.  Polishes from auto parts stores often have a wax additive that helps protect the finish.  Simichrome has traditionally been the all time champion of metal polish ( several million motorcyclists can't be wrong) but it is a straight polish with no additives.   A Dremel with a felt wheel will cut your time on the polishing, but there will be areas where hand work are necessary.  Sometimes Q-Tips (cotton swabs) help here.   A prototype note here:  As they came from Budd or Pullman, these streamlined passenger cars originally had just a rudimentary polishing.  It was left up to the railroads to further shine them up.  Some did, others did not.    Like the original cars' stainless steel, Gilbert aluminum can be highly polished, often to a near mirror finish, far beyond the way they came from the factory.   However, the non-aluminum parts then look incredibly dull by comparison and any dents or flaws in the aluminum become very apparent.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74639	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/26/2014
Subject: Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station

Yes it is thanks Randall. Much appreciated. Regards Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 26 Apr 2014 05:36:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMerican Flyer A-Koostikin Station   Sorry, Alistair, it didn't get posted for some reason.  I believe it's there now: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/1022102244 Randall ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74640	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: York and MTH

 MTH had actual production 40' rebuilt box cars on display (and I understand for sale), including the 2013 MTH club car, the B&O Sentinal car, along with a test shot of the ore car.    According to Andy Edleman of MTH, the track had started shipping from the supplier and all, including flex track was expected by mid summer, possibly a little earlier.   He also said that he was working on the 2014 catalog but it wouldn't be out for a while.   At several of our rrequest, he promised to look in the status of the ore car coupler production and if at all possible set up a SKU for them so that these shorter couplers could be ordered seperately as they were from S Helper to retrofit the cars for closer coupling.   Kyle   -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 7:18 AM   Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: York and MTH    Lots of flyer at York yesterday. Some prices were high though. Still was a fun day Neil In Oregon via York Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (3) .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74642	From: alhbaker	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: York & S

I was at York for only my second time - I live in Oregon.  First time was the fall of 2010.   My recollection (which may be wrong?) is that in 2010 there was not all that much S in the main show (not talking about the fire hall, etc).   Seems like I had to really look for it. But this weekend, it seemed much different to me.  This time I saw lots of S (compared to last time).    So my question is to those of you that are real veterans, was there a lot - much more S this time, or is my memory wrong? Thanks, Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74643	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: 710 Steam Whistle Control

Could someone please tell me if the wiring instructions for the American Flyer 710 Steam Whistle Control are the same as for the 708 Air Chime Whistle.  And if not, what are they. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74644	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/27/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74645	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: York & S

I would say there was a lot more this time.   Harwood -----Original Message----- From: albaker33 <albaker33@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 27, 2014 10:33 am Subject: [S-Trains] York & S   I was at York for only my second time - I live in Oregon.  First time was the fall of 2010.   My recollection (which may be wrong?) is that in 2010 there was not all that much S in the main show (not talking about the fire hall, etc).   Seems like I had to really look for it. But this weekend, it seemed much different to me.  This time I saw lots of S (compared to last time).    So my question is to those of you that are real veterans, was there a lot - much more S this time, or is my memory wrong? Thanks, Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74646	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: NEW SMOKE UNIT ADAPTER gives new life to old units (Advertisement)

Have you ever wondered what to do with your original worn out American Flyer smoke units when the bore where the chuff piston goes?      We are working on a fan that simply clips onto the bore opening that will operate the smoke portion of the unit which enables you to use the smoke assembly for your steam engines once again or for any where else you need a smoke, the caboose comes to mind.      The price will probably around the $10.00-$15.00 each range.      We will let everyone know when they are ready.      Please let us know what you all think about this new adapter and where else other than an engine or caboose they could be used. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74647	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS

The 2014 catalog includes a reissue of the Texas Special Alco set. It says that it will run on DCC. Does the original issue of the Texas Special run on DCC? Is there a list anywhere of which engines include DCC compatibility? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Apr 26, 2014, at 4:52 AM, Bill Clark <billclark424@...> wrote:   We have several SD70s running, and they run well. There is an issue that some of the SD70s do not have the speed step table loaded, which causes an issue if you are using 28 speed steps. That issue is very easy to fix with a decoder reset, or just run it 128 speed steps. There are a couple of CVs that might need to be adjusted for specific brands of DCC systems, they are covered in the manual. Most of the train talk/tower talk was not implemented, although it does work in startup/shutdown. Also the remote control couplers don't work, because of a technical issue (they were designed for AC, will need a redesign to work with DCC track power). The SD70 (and Y-3, with a software upgrade) work very, very well in DCC in my opinion. Excellent speed control, great sounds, and lots of smoke! Having done a boatload of conversions to DCC through the years, I am REALLY happy that Lionel/AF has decided to support DCC functionality out of the box! Bill On 4/25/2014 8:44 PM, The Upstairs Train wrote:   It's not quite as easy as that, however. The DCC guru in our club spent a couple hours with my SD 70 and couldn't get mine working. He did some research on the Internet and a week later was able to get it running. It only runs forward, however, and not In reverse, and it has nowhere near the functionality or sound that it does under the legacy system. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Apr 25, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Bill Clark <billclark424@...> wrote:   Here's the DCC addendum for the Y-3: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6579748180251AF2882DCCAddendum.pdf Here's the SD70 book, DCC on pages 24-27: http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/6541748171250SD70ACe.pdf Bill On 4/25/2014 2:13 PM, allen.evans@... wrote:   Can someone post a list of the various DCC functions on these locos? Thanks much. Allen Evans NMRA / NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74648	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control

The internal wiring is not the same and the generators are not interchangeable!  I have tried to modify another generator for use on the 710 per an article in the Flyer repair guide but the modified tube never achieves the variable sound of the correct 710 tube.  I have look on the inside of a 710 tube and it is different than other whistle generators. Other whistle generators will not work in the 710 no matter how you modify them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74649	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS

Hi Allen, Startup  should be F3. Sequence control is on page 17. You start the sequence by going to SS1, so you might want to add some momentum to smooth the start. Or run ob 128 ss. I don't have an ES44AC to test, but on my Y-3 the sequence is: Turn on sequence mode with F10, with loco stopped. Get 2 beeps and a ding. (if it doesn't turn on, you might need to set CV 61 to 1. This is normally required on Lenz, but not on NCE). ss1: dispatcher announcement. Whistle start signal. ss2: loco starts moving, whistle signal, bell on, crew talk. ss6: bell turns off. This is in 28ss mode. You can also turn off with F1. ss10: Whistle signal and crew talk. ss5: bell starts ss1: loc stops ss0: crew talk You can reset loco to stop sequence with F9 when loco is stopped. Sequence is fun to play with and as a demo, so far we haven't used it in operating sessions. Bill On 4/27/2014 10:04 AM, allen.evans@... wrote:   Hey, thanks Bill.  I have the Lionel AF Nickel Plate ES44AC and it is truly amazing under DCC, especially the RPM rev-up. What is F10 "Sequence Control Trigger"?  Nothing seems to happen when I push it. ALSO, what Function key really initiates the startup sequence?  I can do a shut-down, but cannot figure out what starts it up other than tilting on the track with the decoder ID selected. Allen Evans NMRA/NASG Covington, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74650	From: William J Gill	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT ADAPTER gives new life to old units (Advertiseme

Questions... What happens to the "chuff" sound when there is no longer a piston moving in a cylinder and what happens to the puff of smoke synchronized with the chuff sound? Am I wrong in assuming the "chuff" sound comes from the piston and cylinder? And am I envisioning this fix correctly that the piston and connecting rod are removed as part of this conversion? I assume this may be what is lost in the trade to get the smoker working again? The $10-15 price is attractive and perhaps about as cost effective an option but I'd rather have the "chuff" sound at the expense of smoke. I'd rather pay $15 for a switch to turn off the smoke element and run the engine without fear of burning up the heating element in the smoker when run dry. Why not hone the cylinder and put in an oversized piston? Or figure out a way to coat the piston with "snot" to regain the proper fit? Just my humble opinion which is mine and mine only not to be construed as any one else's. If there's a demand or need or this fix, then go for it. Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74651	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control

Hi   If you are looking for repair and wiring instructions in the aurotech book page 244 if you are looking forest up the Greenberg American flyer S gauge operating and repair manual book by Thomas b Baker has instructions on page 50 hope thios helps good luck stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of milepost407@... Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:30 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 710 Steam Whistle Control     Could someone please tell me if the wiring instructions for the American Flyer 710 Steam Whistle Control are the same as for the 708 Air Chime Whistle.  And if not, what are they. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74653	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Richard Trotter 4'x6' Layout/DSC01357.JPG Uploaded by : rlt348 <rlt348@...> Description : You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Richard%20Trotter%204%27x6%27%20Layout/DSC01357.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, rlt348 <rlt348@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74654	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Richard Trotter 4'x6' Layout/DSC01356.JPG Uploaded by : rlt348 <rlt348@...> Description : Modified American Flyer control buttons for the Erector Turntable and Roundhouse stalls. You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Richard%20Trotter%204%27x6%27%20Layout/DSC01356.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, rlt348 <rlt348@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74655	From: ee_train	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control

Check www.traindr.com. Lots of the American Flyer wiring instructions are posted. If you cannot find it on the site, let me know and I will get it uploaded or provide guidance as to where we put it. Bill Drake waiting for the storm to hit in St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74656	From: srjaynes	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: Re: York & S

Displaying my ignorance:  What is "York"?   Al, we should have coffee some time and talk trains and big-boys' toys and hobbies. Steve Jaynes Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74657	From: Michael	Date: 4/27/2014
Subject: National Train Day.

I just wanted to remind everyone that May 10th is National Train Day. This WEB link will let you check for any special events taking place in your area. http://www.nationaltrainday.com Michael McConnell South Jersey S Gaugers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74658	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

These links didn't work very well for me, but you can find the latest photos of this layout by going to the "New Photos" link at the bottom of the message and also going to the files section, in addition to the photos section, and see other photos of this very creative layout.  I think it would have made a great display layout for Gilbert to have used in stores.   They could alternately run a whole selection of locomotives at different times.  Granted it would have taken  some operator involvement, but it certainly would have been fun to watch, especially the turntable action.   It is amazing what can be done with a small space.  In any case, this should provide a lot of action, especially with the addition of the accessories and the side panel. Dale Smith On 4/27/2014 4:46 PM, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote:   Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Richard Trotter 4'x6' Layout/DSC01356.JPG Uploaded by : rlt348 <rlt348@...> Description : Modified American Flyer control buttons for the Erector Turntable and Roundhouse stalls. You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/Richard%20Trotter%204%27x6%27%20Layout/DSC01356.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, rlt348 <rlt348@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74659	From: snstrains	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S

It's a gigantic train show put on by the Train Collectors Association. It is a semi-annual show held at a fairgrounds in York Pennsylvania. It is held each April and October. The Lions share of participants are O-gaugers but a plethora of S-Gauge is there too.   Steve Blackburn Boise   In a message dated 4/27/2014 8:40:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, srjaynes@... writes:   Displaying my ignorance:  What is "York"?   Al, we should have coffee some time and talk trains and big-boys' toys and hobbies. Steve Jaynes Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74660	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT ADAPTER gives new life to old units (Advertiseme

Bill,      Once the cylinder bore is gone there is no cost effective way to repair it and that is the simple truth.      Yes, you are correct about losing the chuff sound but our proposed unit will at least let you keep the smoke effect. As you may already know the "HO" engines do not have chuff but do have smoke for the most part (not referring to electronic chuff). LBR    On Sunday, April 27, 2014 5:29 PM, William J Gill <wjbillgill@...> wrote:   Questions... What happens to the "chuff" sound when there is no longer a piston moving in a cylinder and what happens to the puff of smoke synchronized with the chuff sound? Am I wrong in assuming the "chuff" sound comes from the piston and cylinder? And am I envisioning this fix correctly that the piston and connecting rod are removed as part of this conversion? I assume this may be what is lost in the trade to get the smoker working again? The $10-15 price is attractive and perhaps about as cost effective an option but I'd rather have the "chuff" sound at the expense of smoke. I'd rather pay $15 for a switch to turn off the smoke element and run the engine without fear of burning up the heating element in the smoker when run dry. Why not hone the cylinder and put in an oversized piston? Or figure out a way to coat the piston with "snot" to regain the proper fit? Just my humble opinion which is mine and mine only not to be construed as any one else's. If there's a demand or need or this fix, then go for it. Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74661	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: 2014 NASG Convention

Hi All,   Just a reminder, Wednesday, April 30th is the last day to register for the early bird rate.  The registration fees will increase on May 1st.    This is going to be a great convention at the Olympia Resort and Hotel in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin; July 23rd - 27th, 2014.   The Soo Line Refers by MTH convention cars are going fast, so order soon.   For Hotel and Convention Information, please visit:  http://www.nasg.org/  Or contact me at this e-mail address, or by phone:  262-574-1086   Hope to see you all there.   "S"incerely,   Steve Lunde 2014 NASG Convention Chairman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74662	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S

York is for York, Pennsylvania and the TCA train show held at the York fair grounds in the spring and fall each year.  It is the biggest train show in the world and vendors from around the world attend. Big names in the industry like Lionel, MTH, Atlas all have large displays. Retailers such as Train-World, Grysbowski's etc and hundreds of individuals are all there selling trains.  The show covers the entire fair grounds and at last seven major buildings are used for the vendors to sell their wares.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74663	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S

And don't forget the 3 days before the York show...... The 5 Bandit shows all over town......... Best deals found there most of the time...........Bob From: "keyhole_corona@..." <keyhole_corona@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 9:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: York & S   York is for York, Pennsylvania and the TCA train show held at the York fair grounds in the spring and fall each year.  It is the biggest train show in the world and vendors from around the world attend. Big names in the industry like Lionel, MTH, Atlas all have large displays. Retailers such as Train-World, Grysbowski's etc and hundreds of individuals are all there selling trains.  The show covers the entire fair grounds and at last seven major buildings are used for the vendors to sell their wares.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74664	From: Roger Walton	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S

“York” is the train meet held by the Eastern Division of TCA (Train Collectors Association) twice a year (April and October) at the York Fairgrounds in York, PA.  It is the largest train meet of its kind, and attracts over 10,000 TCA members, family and guests each time it is held.  A pilgrimage to York should be high up on everyone’s toy train “bucket list”.   Roger Walton Mechanicsburg, PA TCA 87-26593

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74665	From: richs009	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S

I take it that either there isn't a Western Division of TCA or that it doesn't sponsor 'York-like' shows in the West.  Aside from some reasonable local shows - local meaning SF Bay Area - (Flyer Fest West is coming up), about the only thing that I have seen are various Great Train Expo's in different locations (with, I might add, variable quality).  The NMRA/NASG show in Sacramento almost three summers ago was terrific. Maybe someday I'll try to time my trips to PA to coincide with the York extravaganza... - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74666	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: DCC FUNCTIONS FOR LIONEL / AF HERITAGE LOCOS

I hope that that Bob Graves gets this message, and will ask Lionel to swap his malfunctioning unit for a new one that works propertly on DCC.   -  Earl Henry       In a message dated 4/26/2014 7:10:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rzuerlein@... writes:   Earl:   Don't be afraid of these locomotives.  I have the DRGW heritage unit and run it almost exclusively on DCC.  It runs smoother, slower and the rail sounds are more accessable from DCC than AC.  I do not have the Legacy controllers so can't speak to the performance on this system.  The DC is inaccessable to most power supplies as it requires filterd DC and not pulsed DC.  I run NCE and have had no problems with it.  I will not buy another Lionel locomotive unless it has DCC capabilities.   Roger Zuerlein

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74667	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /WordsworthScales.jar Uploaded by : lx5043 <johnpalm@...> Description : Tony Turner's Scale Size Calculator for model trains. Now you can correctly calculate scale sizes for every type of model train. This is a great tool for model builders and it is completely free. Written by Tony Turner and distributed by Mike Martin of Wordsworth Trains and free paper building models at http://www.wordsworthmodelrailway.co.uk/ this is the latest version Tony has been kind enough to allow us to upload here. You can send Tony a thank you at timbologist@... You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/WordsworthScales.jar To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, lx5043 <johnpalm@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74668	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control

The 710 and 708 hook up are the same, the the only tube that works in the 710 is the black cardboard tube with steam whistle.                                               Tom On Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:02 PM, "ee_train@..." <ee_train@...> wrote:   Check www.traindr.com. Lots of the American Flyer wiring instructions are posted. If you cannot find it on the site, let me know and I will get it uploaded or provide guidance as to where we put it. Bill Drake waiting for the storm to hit in St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74669	From: lx5043	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

I should have added, this is a Java Applet file. Just download it to your computer's desktop, double click on it to open, that's it. No installation is necessary.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74670	From: James Lyle	Date: 4/28/2014
Subject: Re: York & S

Rich IF you're a car guy as well, probably will be something in Carlisle and/or Hershey as well.  PLUS Railroad Museum of PA ( RRMPA ) Strasburg R R, Choo Choo Barn, maybe NTTM, buggy rides, great food, etc.  List goes on and on.  Can even HQ from a real caboose at Red Caboose Motel.   BTW, Cal-Stewart is a large west coast show as well. Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2014, at 6:51 PM, <richs009@...> wrote: I take it that either there isn't a Western Division of TCA or that it doesn't sponsor 'York-like' shows in the West.  Aside from some reasonable local shows - local meaning SF Bay Area - (Flyer Fest West is coming up), about the only thing that I have seen are various Great Train Expo's in different locations (with, I might add, variable quality).  The NMRA/NASG show in Sacramento almost three summers ago was terrific. Maybe someday I'll try to time my trips to PA to coincide with the York extravaganza... - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74671	From: richs009	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: Re: York & S

Jim - thanks for the suggestions.  I actually have been to several of the places you suggested - we've ridden the Strasburg RR, spent too little time in the RRMPA, visited the NTTM (in which I was disappointed - probably due to miscalibrated expectations...).  Since my wife is a quilter, we've made the rounds of those venues too.  Just have never gotten my act together to come back there when 'York' was happening. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74672	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: Re: York & S

I was a first timer this year and I'd say it was WELL worth it.  I am from the west coast and so far I've experienced nothing like it. If you can manage it, you should go at least once.   Neil in Oregon On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:39 PM, <richs009@...> wrote:   Jim - thanks for the suggestions.  I actually have been to several of the places you suggested - we've ridden the Strasburg RR, spent too little time in the RRMPA, visited the NTTM (in which I was disappointed - probably due to miscalibrated expectations...).  Since my wife is a quilter, we've made the rounds of those venues too.  Just have never gotten my act together to come back there when 'York' was happening. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74673	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control

Tom, I thought the dark gray cardboard tube also works, does in mine.   Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 710 Steam Whistle Control   The 710 and 708 hook up are the same, the the only tube that works in the 710 is the black cardboard tube with steam whistle.                                               Tom On Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:02 PM, "ee_train@..." <ee_train@...> wrote:   Check www.traindr.com. Lots of the American Flyer wiring instructions are posted. If you cannot find it on the site, let me know and I will get it uploaded or provide guidance as to where we put it. Bill Drake waiting for the storm to hit in St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74674	From: reujan2000	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: NEW Stubby Tank Car (Advertisement)

FICUS PRODUCTS of Hamilton Ohio will be coming out with a NEW 35 foot tank car in the near future.      This tank car will be a hand made very limited production unit labeled for the LMA MOLASSES CO. (black w/White lettering) for HI-RAIL only.      The tentative price will be $74.50 each plus shipping and a three car consist with three consecutive car numbers for $194.50 which includes shipping in CONUS. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74675	From: aleisen	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: American HiRail

Hi I was wondering if anyone saw Tom Hodgson of American HiRail at York, or they know if he is still doing his custom S gauge Trains. Tried calling his phone get only " not available, but leave a message " ? Thanks Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74676	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 4/29/2014
Subject: Re: American HiRail

I have not seen him at York,  I was however able to pick up a NYC Dreyfus Hudson made by him this past Thursday at York.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74677	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 4/30/2014
Subject: Anyone have 148# track to sell? American Models/other?

I am trying to finish my Holiday layout with American Models track.. I need more of the small radius S42 and S48, and some flex.. Maybe turnouts, uncouplers, intersections, etc. I don't want to hand lay rails and spike ties, but would consider finished pieces if 148# rail was used..  It's OK if some of the sectional pieces were cut, or the flex cut/bent. On my limited budget, there's more time than money. If you bought an American Models set and the track they gave you is just taking up space, I can use it.. I pulled up all of the Gargraves track I laid on the layout and shortly after broke my back.. I really miss seeing my Elf Village, Christmas Towne, and Claus Express. I might consider a mixed box of American Models and S Helper. Can't hurt to ask.. I don't check emails every day, so please be patient, and make sure you have something train related in the subject line so it makes it thru spam mail..       Jim Zulawski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74678	From: lx5043	Date: 4/30/2014
Subject: FREE Model Building Plans

If you have not visited Mike Martin's website, Wordsworth Model Railway, please do. Mike is a modeler extraordinaire and has posted probably more than a hundred free building and small item plans that you can download, print out and build for free. Simply print to card stock or glue to cardboard and you can produce some very nice additions for your layout. Some items are small like a coke machine for your station platform, gas tanks, roads, parking areas, and all types of buildings. I just finished a set of diesel fuel tanks myself. Here is the web address for mike's site: http://www.wordsworthmodelrailway.co.uk/ He also has videos on you YouTube to help you get started and pictures and videos of his own layouts with the models he builds, fantastic!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74679	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 5/1/2014
Subject: WTB American Hi-Rail Parts

Hi All Looking to buy any powered, dummy trucks or side frames made  by  R. Tom Hodgson  of  American Hi-Rail or Instrument Design. I am hoping someone may have these in a junk box or parts drawer not being used.   Please contact me direct at   aleisen@... Thanks Al     ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) FixYourBloodSugar.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74680	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/1/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for May 1st (off topic)

Today on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  we take up auto safety and government involvement in the subject in the third and final part of this series.    Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74681	From: aleisen	Date: 5/1/2014
Subject: Re: American HiRail

keyhole_corona  email me off-line about NYC Dreyfus Hudson I have one also.  aleisen@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74682	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/1/2014
Subject: Spring Spree

This Friday and Saturday is Spring Spree in Marion OH.  See   http://www.cosg.org/2014%20spree%20menu.html   I will be there with a few tables. Although I have considerably downsized Michigan Models, I still have AM high-rail  track and Tomalco scale Track.  Also SMMW kits, some intermodal, and a lot of miscellaneous stuff including some "test run only" rolling stock with high-rail wheels and KD couplers.   BCNU   Tom Hawley  --  still dba Michigan Models

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74683	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/2/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/16/2014, 10:00 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Flyer Fest West   Date:   Friday May 16, 2014 Time:   10:00 am - 7:00 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   San Mateo, Calif. Notes:   http://ggafc.org/FFW2014/FFW.html Take BART to San Francisco. Ride the Cable car to the Cable car Museum. Eat at John's Grill. Return to San Mateo Marriott Hotel for No Host welcome party, 5pm to 7pm   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74684	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/2/2014
Subject: Re: American HiRail

Congratulations on your purchase.  For at least the last 10 to 12 times that I've been to York, including last week, an AHR 20th Century Hudson has been by far the #1 item on my list.  This time I finally thought my quest was over as I found one sitting on Doug Peck's tables -- only to be told, "Oh, sorry, that's been sold".  I'm assuming that was your engine.  If so, you bought a good unit at a great price.  My search continues.  If anyone has one they'd like to sell, please let me know.  Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74685	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 5/2/2014
Subject: Re: American HiRail

Yes it was I who purchased the engine.  It made my Thursday!  However I must admit I had never seen or heard of American Hi Rail before and was surprised to see a Dryfuss Hudson in S-Scale.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74686	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/3/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/17/2014, 7:30 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Flyer Fest West   Date:   Saturday May 17, 2014 Time:   7:30 am - 9:00 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   The Elk's lodge, 233 West 20th Avenue, San Mateo, Calif., Notes:   Flyer Fest West May 16-18, 2014. Swap meet, clinics, a running layout and banquet on Sat the 17th at The Elk's lodge, 233 West 20th Avenue, San Mateo, Calif., (20 Minutes south of San Francisco) and layout tours on Sunday the 18th. More information will be posted as it becomes available. For more information: http://ggafc.org/FFW2014/FFW.html   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74687	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/3/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74688	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 5/3/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West update

Attachments : Scan0003.rtf Hi, Here is the latest Flyer Fest West 3 day schedule that I received from the registration chairman. This is the flyer that is being sent to all early bird registrations. There is day of meet registration . Send mail registrations by May 10th. I will be there with 3 tables. Ed Eckert moderator

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74689	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/3/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/4/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 4, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74690	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Truck?

Rumor has it that FICUS PRODUCTS may be coming out with a new-old stamped metal "S" hi-rail truck this year. Made from stamped metal it will resemble the old link style truck that really doesn't have the problems that the newer sintered trucks do (sides fall off). The difference is that these will have the operating knuckle coupler. Not an add on coupler to an old truck but a totally new design.      What are your thoughts about this new truck? LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74691	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Flyonel Oil Drum Loader 4-2300

I purchased an oil drum loader (4-2300) that is in excellent shape except that the motor does not turn the spindle which moves the fork lift back-n-forth. Has anyone taken the drive assemble apart and repaired it. Is there a replacement part available? Lionel does not have any available because I checked their web site. Any help is greatly appreciated. At least I got the fork lift and man for a great price. Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74692	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/18/2014, 10:00 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Flyer Fest West   Date:   Sunday May 18, 2014 Time:   10:00 am - 4:00 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   Layout Tours Notes:   Need Meet Badge for Layout Tours. Information on Saturday at the Show.   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74693	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?

I think Ficus Products, is just another CO. name used by LBR.   In a message dated 5/4/2014 5:39:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, reujan2000@... writes:      Rumor has it that FICUS PRODUCTS may be coming out with a new-old stamped metal "S" hi-rail truck this year. Made from stamped metal it will resemble the old link style truck that really doesn't have the problems that the newer sintered trucks do (sides fall off). The difference is that these will have the operating knuckle coupler. Not an add on coupler to an old truck but a totally new design.      What are your thoughts about this new truck? LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74694	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/4/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 4, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74695	From: alan smith	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?

Young man --- U are a real piece of work !   So, I'll forgive you for your assumptions.  I design and make numerous items for our beloved Flyers. I have offered many of my custom items for sale on the "Bay"   I      designed and made the replacement chimneys that fit the # 50  school and other buildings for Portlines. There are many of us old guys out here enjoying the model railroading from our youth. When Steam ruled          the rails. When track gangs built rail lines. When the rumble if a powerful steam locomotive,  with whistle screaming, in the still night air brought dreams of someday being behind that throttle.     My Flyer days started before 1950, long before U were  GLEAM in Your PARENTS Eyes and long before LBR  was into FLYER.      I'm my own man and NOT a figment of yours or anyones imagination.     Sincerely,  Ficus Products/  clydel41 / Doc's American Flyer/ Alan Smith  On May 4, 2014, at 12:14 PM, anormal1@... wrote:   I think Ficus Products, is just another CO. name used by LBR.   In a message dated 5/4/2014 5:39:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, reujan2000@... writes:      Rumor has it that FICUS PRODUCTS may be coming out with a new-old stamped metal "S" hi-rail truck this year. Made from stamped metal it will resemble the old link style truck that really doesn't have the problems that the newer sintered trucks do (sides fall off). The difference is that these will have the operating knuckle coupler. Not an add on coupler to an old truck but a totally new design.      What are your thoughts about this new truck? LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74696	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?

FICUS PRODUCTS is in Hamilton, OH LBR Enterprises,llc is in Goshen, KY These business are separate entities!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74697	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?

NICE reply. Facts are always GREAT !  Both of you, keep S moving forward,      Frank R. EMIRO From: "reujan2000@..." <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW "S" Truck?   FICUS PRODUCTS is in Hamilton, OH LBR Enterprises,llc is in Goshen, KY These business are separate entities!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74698	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck? PS;

Also on that web Site link to YOUR CO is a tab to contact your Co.    SEE WHERE THAT GOES.   In a message dated 5/4/2014 1:02:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alansmith@... writes:          Young man --- U are a real piece of work !   So, I'll forgive you for your assumptions.  I design and make numerous items for our beloved Flyers. I have offered many of my custom items for sale on the "Bay"   I      designed and made the replacement chimneys that fit the # 50  school and other buildings for Portlines. There are many of us old guys out here enjoying the model railroading from our youth. When Steam ruled          the rails. When track gangs built rail lines. When the rumble if a powerful steam locomotive,  with whistle screaming, in the still night air brought dr eams of someday being behind that throttle.     My Flyer days started before 1950, long before U were  GLEAM in Your PARENTS Eyes and long before LBR  was into FLYER.      I'm my own man and NOT a figment of yours or anyones imagination.     Sincerely,  Ficus Products/  clydel41 / Doc's American Flyer/ Alan Smith  On Ma y 4, 2014, at 12:14 PM, anormal1@... wrote:   I think Ficus Products, is just another CO. name used by LBR.   In a message dated 5/4/2014 5:39:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, reujan2000@... writes:      Rumor has it that FICUS PRODUCTS may be coming out with a new-old stamped metal "S" hi-rail truck this year. Made from stamped metal it will resemble the old link style truck that really doesn't have the problems that the newer sintered trucks do (sides fall off). The difference is that these will have the operating knuckle coupler. Not an add on coupler to an old truck but a totally new design.      What are your thoughts about this new truck? LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74699	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?

OK....Then try this link to your CO.  Then when you get there click on the ABOUT US on the right side.   FICUS-PRODUCTS     In a message dated 5/4/2014 1:02:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alansmith@... writes:          Young man --- U are a real piece of work !   So, I'll forgive you for your assumptions.  I design and make numerous items for our beloved Flyers. I have offered many of my custom items for sale on the "Bay"   I      designed and made the replacement chimneys that fit the # 50  school and other buildings for Portlines. There are many of us old guys out here enjoying the model railroading from our youth. When Steam ruled          the rails. When track gangs built rail lines. When the rumble if a powerful steam locomotive,  with whistle screaming, in the still night air brought dr eams of someday being behind that throttle.     My Flyer days started before 1950, long before U were  GLEAM in Your PARENTS Eyes and long before LBR  was into FLYER.      I'm my own man and NOT a figment of yours or anyones imagination.     Sincerely,  Ficus Products/  clydel41 / Doc's American Flyer/ Alan Smith  On Ma y 4, 2014, at 12:14 PM, anormal1@... wrote:   I think Ficus Products, is just another CO. name used by LBR.   In a message dated 5/4/2014 5:39:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, reujan2000@... writes:      Rumor has it that FICUS PRODUCTS may be coming out with a new-old stamped metal "S" hi-rail truck this year. Made from stamped metal it will resemble the old link style truck that really doesn't have the problems that the newer sintered trucks do (sides fall off). The difference is that these will have the operating knuckle coupler. Not an add on coupler to an old truck but a totally new design.      What are your thoughts about this new truck? LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74700	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Needed items

I am in the process of a kitbashing project in S and I would like to know if anyone has any of the following parts for sale? I need 2 GE cabs and 2 pantographs.                                            Bob Lampe                                              Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74701	From: n6ojj	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?

Good thought Frank.  Let's keep S moving forward. Cheers, David McBrayer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74702	From: tennsgauger	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: AF, SHS, and MTH Items for Sale

I have several items for sale and will have additional items for sale in the coming days.   If you are interested in any of these items, please not not reply to this Yahoogroup.   Instead, reply to tennsgauge@...   The items currently for sale are:   American Flyer by Lionel-              #6-49028 Christmas Candy Cane Dump Car          $39.00 plus actual shipping       Includes Operating Contactor and Dumping bin, and five simulated candy canes       New in box, never used.           #6-49015 West Side "Moe and Joe"       Operating Lumber Car                                                  $39.00 plus actual shipping        Includes Track Trip, Five Real Wood Planks, and metal unloading mechanism.        New in box, never used.            #6-49815 #741 Handcar and Shed by Lionel         $95.00 plus actual shipping         New in box, never used.         - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -   SHS -      SHS #01728 Bulkhead Flatcar with Christmas Presents     This is the 2006 Christmas Car - Burlington Northern                                  In box, lightly used                                                          $45.00 plus actual shipping        SHS #00374 Southern #1 F3A and F3B              $365.00 plus actual shipping     -   New with Locomatic Sound and Controller, never used.        MTH  -      RAIL KING BY MTH #30-9043    Operating Coaling Tower    New in box.                                                                      $95.00 plus actual shipping       PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO YAHOO GROUP!      Instead, reply to tennsgauge@...     -  Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74703	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?

There are lots of Ficus products on the web for lots of non train products. But this one shows this.... FICUS-PRODUCTS FICUS-PRODUCTS Items for the View on www.lbrenterprisesllc... Preview by Yahoo     Frank R. EMIRO From: "reujan2000@..." <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW "S" Truck?   FICUS PRODUCTS is in Hamilton, OH LBR Enterprises,llc is in Goshen, KY These business are separate entities!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74704	From: Jim Grimes	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement) JUST SPAM!!

I think you might get a better response to these ads if you included information on the item being sold in the subject line and the body of your message. Otherwise this is just so much spam. Sent from my iPad Jim Grimes Tsbikes@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74705	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/4/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?

Google Ficus Products & tell me again how they are separate  PS: Why are my posts not being posted?   In a message dated 5/4/2014 1:29:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, reujan2000@... writes:   FICUS PRODUCTS is in Hamilton, OH LBR Enterprises,llc is in Goshen, KY These business are separate entities!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74706	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel Oil Drum Loader 4-2300

I don’t know if the Flyonel version differs much from the Gilbert original, but I have taken the gear train in the Gilbert apart and have documented it in my AF Repair Guide. Tom Barker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74707	From: frank emiro	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Truck?

Thx David, BUT I would love to see NASG due a S gage Layout in Arizona. WHY ? Every scale has two major layouts in the Phoenix area. Yes proto too. BUT NOT ONE S GAGE Layout, NOT ONE. This is the State to do it. Why ? Now snow or power outages, YET, LOL.   Frank R. EMIRO From: "d_mcbrayer@..." <d_mcbrayer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW "S" Truck?   Good thought Frank.  Let's keep S moving forward. Cheers, David McBrayer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74708	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge Layout in Arizona

Start a club. That's what we did here in San Diego. One guy had the idea, the desire, and used the NASG Member roster to build a list of S People in the San Diego area. He emailed all of us, inviting us to a meeting at his house. At that first meeting, we discussed the idea of building an S-MOD compliant modular layout. 11 months later, we displayed it at the Great Train Expo. The club website tells part of the story, contains our bylaws, and has a video of our first test run on the layout. This has inspired me to put more of the story on the website. I and other club officers would be delighted to answer any questions and help you get it started. Bob Graves <sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home> On May 4, 2014, at 7:16 PM, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote:      Thx David, BUT I would love to see NASG due a S gage Layout in Arizona. WHY ? Every scale has two major layouts in the Phoenix area. Yes proto too. BUT NOT ONE S GAGE Layout, NOT ONE. This is the State to do it. Why ? Now snow or power outages, YET, LOL.   Frank R. EMIRO From: "d_mcbrayer@..." <d_mcbrayer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW "S" Truck?   Good thought Frank.  Let's keep S moving forward. Cheers, David McBrayer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74709	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Spring Spree Sprung

Well, the 2014 Spring S Spree is over and it was another good one.  Cindy and I had a pretty good time and I sold enough of my extra stuff to make expenses once again.  It was good to see long time friends and make new ones.  There was a large number of folks who enjoy my building and bashing articles on My Flyer Trains, and even a few readers of STUMPY'S MACHINE!  Thanks guys, your input makes it all worthwhile and you gave me some fresh ideas for new models or stories.    The venue was huge and well run, and there was a good supply of vendors and layouts on hand.  If you couldn't find what you wanted/needed to add to your S gauge (scale or hi-rail) empire, you weren't looking.  And there were a number of individual and club layouts to inspire anyone in building their own.  It seems that more and more of these traveling layouts have better scenery and detail than just a few years ago, and all had things that gave ideas for the future.  My layout is far to plain the keep up, even with the Teeny Train!   C.O.S.G. had enough pizza on hand Friday night to feed a small army, there was even some left to give away Saturday.  But not many Spree attendees were very hungry after the Flying Pancake Breakfast!   You had to look out for flying saucers as there were pancakes sailing everywhere!   The pancakes were backed up by sausage, eggs, juice and coffee, and it was all you could eat!   The Central Ohio S Gaugers did a fine job with only a few minor glitches which they quickly overcame.  And of course the weather was "iffy," cold and windy every day, but there's nothing anyone could do about that besides get into the convention center and play with trains!   Thanks COSG for job well done and an enjoyable show.  See y'all next year in Dayton!   Stumpy and Cindy Stone from the wilds of Eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74710	From: tennsgauger	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Passenger car shells for sale (American HiRail and American Flyer)

I have several items for sale and will have additional items for sale in the coming days.   If you are interested in any of these items, please not not reply to this Yahoogroup.   Instead, reply to tennsgauge@...   The items I am listing in this email are all passenger car shells:     American Hi-Rail:    (hard to find cars)              American Hi-Rail dining car.                                     $39.00 plus actual shipping       Its painted green to match the GIlbert green heavyweight cars       but the paint finish is not as good.  Its partially lettered using dry tranfers       but the transfer did not work well.        But it would be a nice project for stripping and repainting.        There are no trucks.        The car comes with the white box it was originally shipped in (like the boxes        used for the Fall S Fest cars from several years ago.             S FEST PULLMAN CAR shell only..                          $35.00 plus actual shipping       In original white box.       No floor or trucks.       Finish is excellent to Like-new.       There is no floor or trucks..                 American Hi-Rail Vista-dome Observation Car    $35.00 plus actual shipping        A clear reproduction dome part is included.   There is no floor.        This shell still has some flash to be removed.         The opening for the dome is rough and jagged where I tried to remove flash        but probably was not using the best tools for the job.  But it can be remedied        by someone who knows better than I do.        This is a hard-to-find piece that is perfect for a Burlington Budd observation car.        Its what Lionel's California Zephyr should have been       AMERICAN FLYER BY LIONEL: .           DINING CAR SHELL for repaint                           $20.00 plus actual shipping          Originally a California Zephyr dining car.         Paint has been partially stripped.          Includes the plastic insert with silhouettes.         Comes in original box.         Includes the floor and trucks but one coupler is broken off..             ERIE COMBINE SHELL                                    $10.00 plus actual shipping          Paint finish is in excellent to LN condition.         No floors or trucks, or silhouettes.     AMERICAN FLYER BY GILBERT: .           VISTA DOME SHELL for repaint                           $5.00 plus actual shipping          Includes clear reproduction vista dome..                 OBSERVATION CAR For repaint                           $7.00 plus actual shipping           A few minor scratches.  This is a blue striped car.          and AMERICAN FLYER LINES is still very visible.          Silhouettes are still in place.           Car name boards are missing.          No obvious cracks or broken steps.          Antenna is missing though two of the hooks for anchoring the          antenna are still in place.          The round plastic insert is missing though the upper          plastic piece is still in place.          No floor or trucks.       .           OBSERVATION CAR for repaint                           $5.00 plus actual shipping           A few minor scratches.  Paint is stripped with some residue remaining.          Car name boards are missing.          No obvious cracks or broken steps.          Antenna and anchors for antenna are missing.          The round plastic insert is missing though the upper          plastic piece is still in place.          No floor or trucks.               HEAVYWEIGHT OBSERVATION CAR for repaint     $10.00 plus actual shipping           I think this was a 954 or late 654 shell.  Possibly an American Hi-rail          reproduction but I see no markings inside the shell.          The windows on the platform end are open, and do not appear to have been cut open.          Has been repainted a shade of pullman green.          Excellent condition with very minor scratches.            No floor or trucks or platform railing.   I pay the shipping (U.S. address) if you buy the entire lot.     PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO YAHOO GROUP!      Instead, reply to tennsgauge@...     -  Earl Henry, Nashville, TN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74711	From: donmac304	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: Re: Ficus Products

Well guys... For what's it's worth, here's the web site I'm sent to when doing a search for Ficus Products. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/FICUS-PRODUCTS.html Therefore, I have to assume that LBR and Ficus are both falling under the same umbrella. It 'might' be true that they have a different physical address, but it sure looks like a duck, quacks and walks like a duck, so...I suppose that 'it is' a duck. Happy railroading... Don McGinnis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74712	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/5/2014
Subject: U33 diesel for sale WITH SCALE WHEELS

From: Edward Loizeaux [mailto:loizeaux@...] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 6:39 PM To: Various Folks Subject: U33 diesel for Sale   Gents………   Surplus to my needs is one American Flyer U33 Southern Pacific diesel engine with factory-installed NMRA-compliant scale wheels.  A bargain price if there ever was one.  Make me an offer I cannot refuse.  Excellent condition with one or two weekends of running time.  Includes smoke, sounds, etc.   http://www.lionel.com/Products/Finder/ProductDetail.cfm?ProductNumber=6-48146&expandBranch=0&Keywords=u33&CategoryID=0&RailLineID=&CatalogId=    Bid high, bid often……..Ed Loizeaux

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74713	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/6/2014
Subject: "Out of the Woods" Part 3 posted

Just a note here to let everyone know that Part Three of the logging series "Out of the Woods" is up on Chuck harrington's My Flyer Train website  http://myflyertrains.org in the Stumpy's Station section.  In this part we move ahead with the building of easy Skeleton Log cars.  There are two versions, a four bunk long car and a two bunk short car.   I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank the many followers of these kit bashing and scratch building articles who stopped by my layout at the Spring S Spree to say hello.  You're the reason I continue to do these projects and I'm glad you enjoy them.   Stumpy Stone in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74714	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/9/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/16/2014, 10:00 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Flyer Fest West   Date:   Friday May 16, 2014 Time:   10:00 am - 7:00 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   San Mateo, Calif. Notes:   http://ggafc.org/FFW2014/FFW.html Take BART to San Francisco. Ride the Cable car to the Cable car Museum. Eat at John's Grill. Return to San Mateo Marriott Hotel for No Host welcome party, 5pm to 7pm   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74715	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 5/9/2014
Subject: FFW 2014

Attachments : Flyer Fest West Registration Form.pdf Flyer Fest West 2014 Schedule-Updated.pdf ************************** I have just received this from Alan. Ed, moderator Dear Flyer Fest West 2014 Registrant,     Thank you for registering for Flyer Fest West 2014 to be held on May 16 to 18.  We are looking forward to a great show and a fun weekend of trains and fellowship.     Attached is the schedule for the weekend.  On Friday there will be an excursion up to San Francisco on BART and a cable car ride to the Cable Car Museum.  Lunch will be at John's Grill, the home of the Maltese Falcon.  In the evening there will be a no-host reception at the San Mateo Marriott Hotel.     The show will be held on Saturday at the San Mateo Elk's Lodge, 233 W. 20th Ave., San Mateo.  Vendors and sellers can register and pick up their badges at 7:30.  The badge pick-up for general pre-registrants and walk-up registrants will open at 9:00.  The doors to the show will open at 10:00.  So far we have over 30 sellers registered, so you will have many opportunities to find the S-gauge items you are looking for.  The Golden Gate American Flyer Club's modular group will have its layout set up for your enjoyment.  Clinics are scheduled for noon, 1:00, and 2:00.  At noon and 2:00 Treavor Gearin from Talbot's Toyland, a popular San Mateo toy store and hobby shop, will demonstrate how to take advantage of the features of the Lionel Legacy System installed in some new American Flyer locomotives.  At 1:00 GGAFC member  Pete Goodier will show you how to the repair smoke and "E" units in Gilbert American Flyer locomotives.  The show will conclude at 3:00 with the raffle drawing for many prizes including an American Flyer  PA Texas Special A-A set with Legacy and smoke.     The banquet will also be held at the Elk's Lodge starting at 6:00.  On display will be a collection of rarely-seen A.C. Gilbert items and a collection of kit-bashed American Flyer trains.  After a dinner of steak, chicken marsala, or petrale sole the guest speaker will be Lionel Director of Audio Rudy Trubitt.  Rudy will talk about his experiences recording the sounds of many unique locomotives and how these sounds make their way into Lionel and American Flyer models.  The evening will conclude with the closing of the silent auction and a live auction.     If you haven't signed up for the banquet yet, it isn't too late to join us for what promises to be a fun-filled evening.  You can use another copy of the registration form to order your meals and select your dinner choices.  All dinners will be served with tossed salad, potato and vegetables, dessert, and coffee or tea.  Please mail by Monday, May 12 to ensure it gets here before the weekend.  Also send me an e-mail so we can get the correct meal count to the caterer.     On Sunday there will be self-guided layout tours.  GGAFC members will be showing off some spectacular home layouts.  A list of layouts and maps will be available when you pick up your badge.  Note:  If you will be visiting the East Bay there is a $5 toll when crossing the bridges in the westbound direction.     We're looking forward to seeing you at Flyer Fest West 2014 and hope you have a great time.           Alan Teruya           Golden Gate American Flyer Club P.S.  If you are interested in the trip to the San Francisco Cable Car Museum or the Welcome Party don't forget to RSVP to Paul by May 12.  Contact information is on the schedule or the GGAFC web site <http://www.ggafc.org/>.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74716	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/10/2014
Subject: Flyer Fest West, 5/17/2014, 7:30 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Flyer Fest West   Date:   Saturday May 17, 2014 Time:   7:30 am - 9:00 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   The Elk's lodge, 233 West 20th Avenue, San Mateo, Calif., Notes:   Flyer Fest West May 16-18, 2014. Swap meet, clinics, a running layout and banquet on Sat the 17th at The Elk's lodge, 233 West 20th Avenue, San Mateo, Calif., (20 Minutes south of San Francisco) and layout tours on Sunday the 18th. More information will be posted as it becomes available. For more information: http://ggafc.org/FFW2014/FFW.html   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74717	From: njma41	Date: 5/10/2014
Subject: ben frankling shell needed

Hello folks     I just got a good deal on a 20088 ben franklin engine, and the bell is broken off.   anyone have the shell or casting with the shell on it?  thanks               Nick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74718	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/10/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74719	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/10/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/11/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 11, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74720	From: jim ensign	Date: 5/10/2014
Subject: Can Motors in AF Diesels

All - When did AF switch to can motors in their diesels, as opposed to the old-style "open" motor? Can I tell by the color/style of the box what kind of motor it has? Jim Ensign

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74721	From: Obie Bell	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

Hello Jim, I have a Southern Pacific passenger set from 1981, this has the old style motor, but has an electronic reversing unit. They also made a B&O set in '81 with the same set up. In '82 they came out with the Erie set starting the use of the can motor. In '83 they sold the B&O set again, but this time it had a can motor.  I don't think they changed the cab numbers or the box (they should have) so I guess you just have to look at the particular engine to know. Anyway that should cover the years correctly for you.  If you need details about spotting differences on the two B&O engines someone with more experience in this will surely comment. Obie From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 20:40:10 -0600 Subject: [S-Trains] Can Motors in AF Diesels   All - When did AF switch to can motors in their diesels, as opposed to the old-style "open" motor? Can I tell by the color/style of the box what kind of motor it has? Jim Ensign

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74722	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

Hi Jim,                   Lionel changed the motor diesel most likely 1983 with the 4-8100 Wabash and the 4-8251 Erie Alcos. The part number for the motor assembly is 40-8251-100. I'm not sure what motor they are currently using, but the only time they used armatures were on the B&O and Southern Pacific Alcos in 1981.                                               Tom Seccia On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:29 AM, "jim ensign jimensign50@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   All - When did AF switch to can motors in their diesels, as opposed to the old-style "open" motor? Can I tell by the color/style of the box what kind of motor it has? Jim Ensign

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74723	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/11/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 11, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74724	From: Frank	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

Back around the 19 early 80's in NJ, I spoke will Bill Jackson, who has since went to Heaven. He had told me the Erie Alcos had issues with the motors and were being modified by Lionel / AF. So some 4-8251 Erie Alcos might have either motors. He also told me that he bought a lot of the brush motor Erie PA's and did a repaint of them for another RR that had PA's. Someone in the NJ area might have additional info.  Frank Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2014, at 7:39 AM, "Sheila Seccia trainsandhobbies@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Hi Jim,                   Lionel changed the motor diesel most likely 1983 with the 4-8100 Wabash and the 4-8251 Erie Alcos. The part number for the motor assembly is 40-8251-100. I'm not sure what motor they are currently using, but the only time they used armatures were on the B&O and Southern Pacific Alcos in 1981.                                               Tom Seccia On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:29 AM, "jim ensign jimensign50@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   All - When did AF switch to can motors in their diesels, as opposed to the old-style "open" motor? Can I tell by the color/style of the box what kind of motor it has? Jim Ensign

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74725	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

Thanks, Tom.  Sounds like 1983 is the key. Jim From: "Sheila Seccia trainsandhobbies@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 8:39:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motors in AF Diesels   Hi Jim,                   Lionel changed the motor diesel most likely 1983 with the 4-8100 Wabash and the 4-8251 Erie Alcos. The part number for the motor assembly is 40-8251-100. I'm not sure what motor they are currently using, but the only time they used armatures were on the B&O and Southern Pacific Alcos in 1981.                                               Tom Seccia On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:29 AM, "jim ensign jimensign50@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   All - When did AF switch to can motors in their diesels, as opposed to the old-style "open" motor? Can I tell by the color/style of the box what kind of motor it has? Jim Ensign

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74726	From: John METZGER	Date: 5/11/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

Can Motors where first put into the Walbash and Missouri Pacific PA's. About 1983.  Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2014, at 6:09 PM, "jimensign50@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Thanks, Tom.  Sounds like 1983 is the key. Jim From: "Sheila Seccia trainsandhobbies@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 8:39:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motors in AF Diesels   Hi Jim,                   Lionel changed the motor diesel most likely 1983 with the 4-8100 Wabash and the 4-8251 Erie Alcos. The part number for the motor assembly is 40-8251-100. I'm not sure what motor they are currently using, but the only time they used armatures were on the B&O and Southern Pacific Alcos in 1981.                                               Tom Seccia On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:29 AM, "jim ensign jimensign50@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   All - When did AF switch to can motors in their diesels, as opposed to the old-style "open" motor? Can I tell by the color/style of the box what kind of motor it has? Jim Ensign

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74727	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

Thanks, John.  1983 seems to be the concensus date. Jim Ensign From: "John METZGER johnm_63379@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 6:10:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motors in AF Diesels   Can Motors where first put into the Walbash and Missouri Pacific PA's. About 1983.  Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2014, at 6:09 PM, "jimensign50@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Thanks, Tom.  Sounds like 1983 is the key. Jim From: "Sheila Seccia trainsandhobbies@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 8:39:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motors in AF Diesels   Hi Jim,                   Lionel changed the motor diesel most likely 1983 with the 4-8100 Wabash and the 4-8251 Erie Alcos. The part number for the motor assembly is 40-8251-100. I'm not sure what motor they are currently using, but the only time they used armatures were on the B&O and Southern Pacific Alcos in 1981.                                               Tom Seccia On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:29 AM, "jim ensign jimensign50@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   All - When did AF switch to can motors in their diesels, as opposed to the old-style "open" motor? Can I tell by the color/style of the box what kind of motor it has? Jim Ensign

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74728	From: Tom David	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

Some of the B & O engines had can motors    Can Motors where first put into the Walbash and Missouri Tom David   -----Original Message----- From: jimensign50@... [S-Trains] To: S-Trains Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 10:25 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motors in AF Diesels Jim Ensign

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74729	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

Thanks, Tom.  Most are saying the first can motors came out in 1983. Jim E. From: "Tom David tomminil@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 2:54:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motors in AF Diesels   Some of the B O engines had can motors    Can Motors where first put into the Walbash and Missouri Tom David   -----Original Message----- From: jimensign50@... [S-Trains] To: S-Trains Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 10:25 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Can Motors in AF Diesels Jim Ensign

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74730	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Flyonel U-33C

Does anyone have one of the Liuonel American Flyer U-33C's that you could check the instruction/ parts sheet sheet and get the part number for the cab, provided, that is, that the cab is a separate casting from the body shell.                                                                                      Bob                                                                                     in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74731	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

The 1981 B&O and SP PA's had open motors similar to Gilbert but the fields were double wound. One coil was forward; the other reverse. Both of mine failed. Lionel's fix was to replace the chassis assembly ($200 each). The 1981 reverse unit was a one-year- only piece that is close to impossible to find. Hobby Surplus took my order but substituted the newer version that was for the later can motor which, of course, would not work with the open frame motor. (They were out-of-stock and assumed it was an upgrade.) The 1982 Erie PA's had can motors, but problems with earlier versions slowing down. This was cured with a resistor change, if I remember correctly. The Erie I had worked fine out-of-the box so not all had a problem. From 1983 onward engines were made with can motors. However, if there was a problem with the engine and you were not watching (as I was not at a train show) the cab would melt before tripping a transformer's circuit breaker. I nicknamed my C&O PA's "American Fryer". This was another $200 fix. Thanks to everyone for helping me remember things I'd rather forget!  ; >)) - Nick Colleran

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74732	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 5/12/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel U-33C

It looks like the shell is all one casting since there isn't a separate listing for the cab: http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?doAction=productPartFilter&number=6-48142&productID=0F58C2DD-9D15-4430-AB8F-8C36F1BA68AF Mike Andrzejewski From: "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel U-33C   Does anyone have one of the Liuonel American Flyer U-33C's that you could check the instruction/ parts sheet sheet and get the part number for the cab, provided, that is, that the cab is a separate casting from the body shell.                                                                                      Bob                                                                                     in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74733	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/13/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel U-33C

Thanks Mike,       I kind of expected it to be a one piece casting. Guess I'll have to wait until either American Models has replacement U-boat cabs or see if by some miracle 2 happen to materialize.                                                                                                                                  Bob Lampe From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 20:11:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyonel U-33C   It looks like the shell is all one casting since there isn't a separate listing for the cab: http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?doAction=productPartFilter&number=6-48142&productID=0F58C2DD-9D15-4430-AB8F-8C36F1BA68AF Mike Andrzejewski From: "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel U-33C   Does anyone have one of the Liuonel American Flyer U-33C's that you could check the instruction/ parts sheet sheet and get the part number for the cab, provided, that is, that the cab is a separate casting from the body shell.                                                                                      Bob                                                                                     in Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74734	From: William J Gill	Date: 5/13/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel U-33C

Cab is a separate piece that snaps into the rest of the shell. I recently bought a new U33 and out of the box the cab was partially dislodged from the rest of the shell. It wouldn't just push back into place but I could take the shell off of the chassis, re-align things, and get the cab to snap into place. From the replacement parts listing referenced, it appears the shell is only available as a complete assembly. Bill Kelso, WA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74735	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/13/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

Thanks, Nick.  Definitely the most definitive response so far.  The problems you described is exactly what I wan to steer clear of.  I'm tired of fooling around with the old Flyer diesel motors. Jim From: "Nick and Becky Colleran colleran@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:43:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels   The 1981 B&O and SP PA's had open motors similar to Gilbert but the fields were double wound. One coil was forward; the other reverse. Both of mine failed. Lionel's fix was to replace the chassis assembly ($200 each). The 1981 reverse unit was a one-year- only piece that is close to impossible to find. Hobby Surplus took my order but substituted the newer version that was for the later can motor which, of course, would not work with the open frame motor. (They were out-of-stock and assumed it was an upgrade.) The 1982 Erie PA's had can motors, but problems with earlier versions slowing down. This was cured with a resistor change, if I remember correctly. The Erie I had worked fine out-of-the box so not all had a problem. From 1983 onward engines were made with can motors. However, if there was a problem with the engine and you were not watching (as I was not at a train show) the cab would melt before tripping a transformer's circuit breaker. I nicknamed my C&O PA's "American Fryer". This was another $200 fix. Thanks to everyone for helping me remember things I'd rather forget!  ; >)) - Nick Colleran

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74736	From: snstrains	Date: 5/13/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

SnS Trains does a replacement of the Flyer open frame motors with modern and better geared can motors along with electronic reverse units and sound units if needed or wanted. There web site is www.snstrains.com   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho   In a message dated 5/13/2014 11:03:01 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Thanks, Nick.  Definitely the most definitive response so far.  The problems you described is exactly what I wan to steer clear of.  I'm tired of fooling around with the old Flyer diesel motors. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74737	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/13/2014
Subject: PRR 4-4-2 Camel Back E&T (Advertisement)

Well, we are doing our first 4-4-2 camel back E&T in almost eight years. Looks pretty good so far. If all goes well we will probably offer them on our CUSTOM ENGINE PAGE at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CUSTOM-ENGINES.html      This one will be badged for PRR and will be up for auction on Sat. morning, again, at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html             Thank you all for making our auction site a success. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74738	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 5/14/2014
Subject: S Helper Turnout

Does anyone have an extra "S" Helper right handed turnout for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74739	From: mike jones	Date: 5/14/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnout

I believe that i do have an extra S Helper right turn out. Let me check on that for you. Thanks, Mike On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:34 AM, "UNLV666@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Does anyone have an extra "S" Helper right handed turnout for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74740	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/14/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnout

Hi S-trains Yahoo: Sorry, I just used my right hand turnout in the layout!  But I do have a question concerning SHS turnouts.  I note that for some cars, the plastic 'lever' that goes down from the coupler (for automatic uncoupling) hits some of the rails when going through the SHS turnout.  Has anyone had this problem and is there any easy way to permanently bend the lever up to avoid the rails in the turnout?  I think it only needs about 1/8" to 1/4".  A little heat with bending (but heat using what?)  Does the plastic have a memory and will 'slump' back after bending? thanks in advance. Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) ps S-trains Yahoo - Please sign your emails - tx.  Do have your email from below, but it is a little awkward not having a name to put with the email.  I assume it's one of the moderators, but that is odd since they usually sign their names. On 5/14/2014 15:17, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Does anyone have an extra "S" Helper right handed turnout for sale? This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74741	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 5/14/2014
Subject: Signing your posts

Folks, Reminder It is time to follow the rules. Please sign your name to your posts! Thank you, Ed Eckert moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74742	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 5/14/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnout

I will appreciate that, Mike.   Joe     In a message dated 5/14/2014 11:42:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I believe that i do have an extra S Helper right turn out. Let me check on that for you. Thanks, Mike On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:34 AM, "UNLV666@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Does anyone have an extra "S" Helper right handed turnout for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74743	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/15/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for 5/15/14

Today's topic returns to model railroading on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  with a story about the evolution of narrow gauge in model trains with "The Bastard Scale."  Most people who are into Scale trains know that track gauges are rarely 100% accurate in any scale, often the result of manufacturing limitations way back in the more formative days of the hobby.  But the battle continues today among the various narrow gauges and has gotten quite bitter at times.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74744	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 5/15/2014
Subject: Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels

If I had one of the early open motors (not can unit) and the e unit quit I would either update to can or if I didn't want to go to the trouble why not just use the Dallee e unit instead of trying to find the one year only original. These are good to 10 amps and will work with an a/c motors.   The Dallee unit fix would be the most simple and inexpensive. MK From: "jimensign50@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels   Thanks, Nick.  Definitely the most definitive response so far.  The problems you described is exactly what I wan to steer clear of.  I'm tired of fooling around with the old Flyer diesel motors. Jim From: "Nick and Becky Colleran colleran@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.comSent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:43:35 PMSubject: [S-Trains] Re: Can Motors in AF Diesels   The 1981 B&O and SP PA's had open motors similar to Gilbert but the fields were double wound. One coil was forward; the other reverse. Both of mine failed. Lionel's fix was to replace the chassis assembly ($200 each). The 1981 reverse unit was a one-year- only piece that is close to impossible to find. Hobby Surplus took my order but substituted the newer version that was for the later can motor which, of course, would not work with the open frame motor. (They were out-of-stock and assumed it was an upgrade.) The 1982 Erie PA's had can motors, but problems with earlier versions slowing down. This was cured with a resistor change, if I remember correctly. The Erie I had worked fine out-of-the box so not all had a problem. From 1983 onward engines were made with can motors. However, if there was a problem with the engine and you were not watching (as I was not at a train show) the cab would melt before tripping a transformer's circuit breaker. I nicknamed my C&O PA's "American Fryer". This was another $200 fix. Thanks to everyone for helping me remember things I'd rather forget!  ; >)) - Nick Colleran

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74745	From: mike jones	Date: 5/15/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnout

Joe, Unfortunately it is a left turn out. Thanks, Mike On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:01 PM, "UNLV666@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I will appreciate that, Mike.   Joe     In a message dated 5/14/2014 11:42:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I believe that i do have an extra S Helper right turn out. Let me check on that for you. Thanks, Mike On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:34 AM, "UNLV666@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Does anyone have an extra "S" Helper right handed turnout for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74746	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 5/15/2014
Subject: Re: S Helper Turnout

Thanks for trying! Best regards.   Joe     In a message dated 5/15/2014 7:02:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Joe, Unfortunately it is a left turn out. Thanks, Mike On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:01 PM, "UNLV666@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I will appreciate that, Mike.   Joe     In a message dated 5/14/2014 11:42:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I believe that i do have an extra S Helper right turn out. Let me check on that for you. Thanks, Mike On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:34 AM, "UNLV666@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Does anyone have an extra "S" Helper right handed turnout for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74747	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/15/2014
Subject: PRR Head end decals

Attachments : S Scale PRR Head End Decals.pdf The Pennsy S Models http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR head end decals will be in hand shortly. They have been custom made with many ready to use numbers for all of the existing S Scale PRR & PRSL head end cars and some cars that hopefully will exist in the reasonable future. Contact Dan info@... to be the first on your block get them.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74748	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/16/2014
Subject: Re: SOMETHING YOU GUYS MIGHT ENJOY

The Model Railway Show – Episode 0030 | The Model Railway Show :: Show Notes   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74749	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/16/2014
Subject: For sale: Gilbert Flyer switches

From a couple of different collections: 15 or 20 pairs of remote control switches with controllers and a half dozen pair of manual switches. Some look pretty nice and some are in desperate need of cleaning. I've only just begun to dig them out, test them, and clean them up. I'll test them and replace burned out bulbs, but I'll sell them to you cheaper if you clean them and save me the time. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74750	From: johntech	Date: 5/17/2014
Subject: Looking for Baldwin parts

For those of you selling AF parts, I’m looking for the Worm Shaft Bearings -  PN_PA14A165  for the Baldwin Diesel engines. For now I need 2 of them.   John Frankforther This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74751	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/17/2014
Subject: Re: Looking for Baldwin parts

Hi John,                       I have these. Please contact me off site seccia@...                                                   Tom Seccia                                                       Triple"S"Supplies On Saturday, May 17, 2014 8:40 AM, "'johntech' beebear@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:     For those of you selling AF parts, I’m looking for the Worm Shaft Bearings -  PN_PA14A165  for the Baldwin Diesel engines. For now I need 2 of them.   John Frankforther This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74752	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/17/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/18/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 18, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74753	From: Johntech	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: If you have a Putt Engine.....

I was at the S Spree this year and ran into Terry “Stumpy” Stone. After a chat I noticed he had a S gauge rail truck for sale. It was one of his wonderful creations made from a Putt Engine. After purchasing it, I ran it a couple times on my layout and found it ran kind of rough. So I pulled it all a part and saw it had plastic bushings for the axels. Searching around I found a ball bearing that would replace the plastic bushings. I picked up a set from ServoCity for $1.69 each or $6.76 for the set of 4 + shipping The part number for the bearings is (535038) 3/16 inch ID x 5/16 inch OD. Now the “truck “ runs nice and quiet and very smooth. The hole in the chassis is 5/16” and the axel is 3/16”. The wheels and gear just press on. You may have to sand the Axels down a little for the bearings to slide on with a snug fit. Once everything was back together, I added a couple drops of CA to the gear and axel and to the motor and chassis so everything stays in alignment.   Next step is to add DCC, head and tail lights along with a yellow beacon for the cab top… Ya gotta be safe!!   John Frankforther   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74754	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: Re: If you have a Putt Engine.....

Thanks for the tip John. I have a couple of the trolley cars (I wonder what the correct plural is for trolley - and which looks OK). They run just fine. The idea of making them more robust is appealing. I had not visited that ServoCity site. Lots of promising items there. All in all, a very nice post. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 5/17/2014 8:14 PM, 'Johntech' beebear@... [S-Trains] wrote: I was at the S Spree this year and ran into Terry “Stumpy” Stone. After a chat I noticed he had a S gauge rail truck for sale. It was one of his wonderful creations made from a Putt Engine. After purchasing it, I ran it a couple times on my layout and found it ran kind of rough. So I pulled it all a part and saw it had plastic bushings for the axels. Searching around I found a ball bearing that would replace the plastic bushings. I picked up a set from ServoCity for $1.69 each or $6.76 for the set of 4 + shipping The part number for the bearings is (535038) 3/16 inch ID x 5/16 inch OD. Now the “truck “ runs nice and quiet and very smooth. The hole in the chassis is 5/16” and the axel is 3/16”. The wheels and gear just press on. You may have to sand the Axels down a little for the bearings to slide on with a snug fit. Once everything was back together, I added a couple drops of CA to the gear and axel and to the motor and chassis so everything stays in alignment.   Next step is to add DCC, head and tail lights along with a yellow beacon for the cab top… Ya gotta be safe!!   John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74755	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: Operating accessories question

Our Baltimore American Flyer Club setup is a high rail modular layout that we set up at various shows, events and children's hospitals throughout the year.    We have a perenial issue with the operating accessories, barrel loader, log loader, sawmill, etc., in that they require the constant attention of members to operate them. We had tried buttons that the spectators could push but they tended to hold them down until the barrels, logs, lumber, etc., ran out.  We understand that some clubs have set up timers on their pushbuttons to limit the run time with each push and possibly added a wait between pushes.    Does anyone have experience with such a setup and timers so we don't have to try and "Reinvent the wheel" or point us to a POC could help us?   Answer on list or direct to me.  Thanx in advance   Kyle Russell BAAFC 447 NASG 06F0022E TCA 06-60660

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74756	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/18/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 18, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74757	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: Re: Operating accessories question

The mission statement of the San Diego S Gaugers club includes promoting model railroading to the public and educating the public. Our visitors are the reason we are there. At each accessory, we have a story to tell and it's a genuine pleasure to interact with people. The rapt attention of a three-year-old, the nostalgic reverie of a senior citizen, and the knowing nod of a semi-disinterested wife are all part of the joy of the hobby. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On May 18, 2014, at 7:21 AM, "'Kyle Russell' kbrussel@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Our Baltimore American Flyer Club setup is a high rail modular layout that we set up at various shows, events and children's hospitals throughout the year.    We have a perenial issue with the operating accessories, barrel loader, log loader, sawmill, etc., in that they require the constant attention of members to operate them. We had tried buttons that the spectators could push but they tended to hold them down until the barrels, logs, lumber, etc., ran out.  We understand that some clubs have set up timers on their pushbuttons to limit the run time with each push and possibly added a wait between pushes.    Does anyone have experience with such a setup and timers so we don't have to try and "Reinvent the wheel" or point us to a POC could help us?   Answer on list or direct to me.  Thanx in advance   Kyle Russell BAAFC 447 NASG 06F0022E TCA 06-60660

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74758	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74759	From: racin510	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: Re: Operating accessories question

I assume your intent as a club is to intertain people with old school fun. So if you are going to put operation into the hands of the visitor, leave it up to them to load or unload however they want and enjoy their interest. Otherwise just keep all controls under the track operators.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74760	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /David D's Stuff/new storage building/Center west side slab web.JPG Uploaded by : traindavid <djdewey@...> Description : Concrete around edges You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/David%20D%27s%20Stuff/new%20storage%20building/Center%20west%20side%20slab%20web.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, traindavid <djdewey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74761	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /David D's Stuff/new storage building/Edge finished east web.JPG Uploaded by : traindavid <djdewey@...> Description : Edge slabs done, east side You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/David%20D%27s%20Stuff/new%20storage%20building/Edge%20finished%20east%20web.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, traindavid <djdewey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74762	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /David D's Stuff/new storage building/Edge finished west web.JPG Uploaded by : traindavid <djdewey@...> Description : Edge slabs, west side & end You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/David%20D%27s%20Stuff/new%20storage%20building/Edge%20finished%20west%20web.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, traindavid <djdewey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74763	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 5/19/2014
Subject: Advertisement: New Website & New e-Book

Good evening.  I'm pleased to announce that RLN Publishing has a new website.  The url is www.rlnpublishing.com.  It replaces the 1-64ModelingGuide.com site, which has been taken down.  All of the S scale publications previously available on the old site are still available. I'm also pleased to announce that our latest e-book, and my first as an author, will be published in late June.  It's called "Commuter Operations for Model Railroads" and, as far as I know, is the first book of its type devoted entirely to this overlooked aspect of prototype operations.  The pre-publication price is $7.95. Bob Nalbone President, RLN Publishing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74764	From: Dr Trains	Date: 5/20/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel Oil Drum Loader 4-2300

I may have a complete working mechanism for the oil drum loader, stilll attached to a loader chasis....??? let me know if you are still interested and what you wish to pay + postage. I will dig through my accesories boxes and find it. Peter Loeb On Monday, May 5, 2014 3:52 AM, Thomas Barker <tbbeqa@...> wrote:   I don’t know if the Flyonel version differs much from the Gilbert original, but I have taken the gear train in the Gilbert apart and have documented it in my AF Repair Guide. Tom Barker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74765	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/20/2014
Subject: Wilmington, NC Area (Advertisement)

COMING SOON to the Wilmington, NC area will be a new old shop for the repair and restoration of American Flyer pre-1966 "S" steam engines. The proprietor of this shop has been working on AF steamers for more than eight years and has had formal training on these same units. He has decided to go national with his expertise so we have given him space on our web site at Low Country Flyer His page is a work in progress and we will be adding more info. as he sends it to us. Please drop in from time to time to see just what he is offering to all but especially to the Flyer people in the Wilmington, NC are. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74766	From: scaler164	Date: 5/20/2014
Subject: The Time Has Come!!! : NOW AVAILABLE...

THE TIME that so many said would NEVER come... has come!!!   The NEW and IMPROVED S scale Sergent Engineering coupler is NOW AVAILABLE!!!   See for yourself : http://www.sergentengineering.com   NOTICE : A second version of this new coupler will SOON be available... a version that will be slightly modified on the rear end/edge of the shank to allow the centering feature to work in the new draft gear boxes I will be producing for them (in the not-too-distant future).  These modified couplers will have a "JD" on the end of the product code.     John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74767	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/21/2014
Subject: CAMEL BACK E&T's (Advertisement)

For those of you that operate "S" Hi-Rail layouts and have always wanted to own a "CAMEL BACK" style engine and tender we have added just such a unit at our web site under CUSTOM ENGINES etc. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CUSTOM-ENGINES.html      We will be building, although on a very limited basis, 4-4-2 & 4-6-2 units with your choice of road name and engine number.      The planned shipping is about 90 days from receipt of purchase. Please remember that these units are hand built from pre-1966 American Flyer parts and newer LBR parts. These may not be as detailed as the "HO" units from China but are produced here in the USA and cost 2/3's less. These are, as far as we can see, probably the only CAMEL BACK's in "S" we can find. Please correct us if we are wrong. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74768	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/22/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

With the over 100 year old Indy 500 coming up within days,  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com takes a look back at the racers who started their careers in the Twenties, Thirties, and Forties with "Talking to the Legends."  In those "bad old days" before racing safety was even considered, these guys survived!  That alone was a "legendary" accomplishment!   Nothing brings history alive like hearing it from the people who lived it, and that's what I did by talking to a number of old racers when I was with the AARA for 32 years.  There are many tales to tell, today we get just a few of them on STUMPY'S MACHINE   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74769	From: paflyrman	Date: 5/22/2014
Subject: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis

I recently saw on Ebay someone selling an early AF long trucked passenger car that suffers from the common malady of the chassis ends drooping. The seller stated off handily that this is easily corrected by heating and bending. Does anyone have any experience correcting this problem and does heating the ends really allow you to bend the chassis back to the original shape. Unless I hear otherwise, I have my doubts.   Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74770	From: snstrains	Date: 5/22/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis

You can heat and bend using a hair dryer BUT be very, very careful as the plastic will shrink if you overheat it, or heat it too long at a time. If that happens you are SOL. How do I know this?????   Steve Boise   In a message dated 5/22/2014 3:20:36 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I recently saw on Ebay someone selling an early AF long trucked passenger car that suffers from the common malady of the chassis ends drooping. The seller stated off handily that this is easily corrected by heating and bending. Does anyone have any experience correcting this problem and does heating the ends really allow you to bend the chassis back to the original shape. Unless I hear otherwise, I have my doubts.   Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74771	From: alan smith	Date: 5/22/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis

Herb,  As we all know the plastic used in the early days was not stable. I have straightened the 625 type tank cars to about 95% of being straight. I did this with a heat gun and an 1/1/4" dowel rod thru the center while heating the tank.- HOWEVER, GREAT CARE AND CAREFUL HEATING MUST TAKE PLACE OR YOU WILL WIND UP WITH SCRAP. The advantage with a tank car with the ends removed - the dowel rod is a good form to help maintain the shape of the car. The rib in the bottom of those cars is the key to making any improvement.  However, a little too much heat and It's  "to late to turn back now".  At least from my own experience ! It would seem to me passenger cars would be much harder to straighten. I'm told HOT water can be effective - but I have not experimented with that trick.  OLD HAMILTON ALAN On May 22, 2014, at 5:16 PM, hblanier@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I recently saw on Ebay someone selling an early AF long trucked passenger car that suffers from the common malady of the chassis ends drooping. The seller stated off handily that this is easily corrected by heating and bending. Does anyone have any experience correcting this problem and does heating the ends really allow you to bend the chassis back to the original shape. Unless I hear otherwise, I have my doubts.   Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74772	From: richs009	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis

What about using a stiffener on the frame inside the passenger car?  My local hardware store has small cross-section angle-. C-, and box-frame aluminum extrusions that might work.  These could be glued or possibly screwed to the frame inside the car where they wouldn't be seen.  I've not tried this, but have used these types of small extrusions for other projects.  The ones I've used are typically ~0.5 inches on a side and over a 8 to 10 inch length, they are rigid enough to straighten a plastic frame as long as one can make a good bond... - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74773	From: The Laniers	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis

Thanks for the input Alan; the only experience I’ve heard back about have all been bad!!   From: mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 7:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis     Herb, As we all know the plastic used in the early days was not stable. I have straightened the 625 type tank cars to about 95% of being straight. I did this with a heat gun and an 1/1/4" dowel rod thru the center while heating the tank.- HOWEVER, GREAT CARE AND CAREFUL HEATING MUST TAKE PLACE OR YOU WILL WIND UP WITH SCRAP. The advantage with a tank car with the ends removed - the dowel rod is a good form to help maintain the shape of the car. The rib in the bottom of those cars is the key to making any improvement.  However, a little too much heat and It's  "to late to turn back now".  At least from my own experience !   It would seem to me passenger cars would be much harder to straighten. I'm told HOT water can be effective - but I have not experimented with that trick.   OLD HAMILTON ALAN   On May 22, 2014, at 5:16 PM, hblanier@... [S-Trains] wrote:     I recently saw on Ebay someone selling an early AF long trucked passenger car that suffers from the common malady of the chassis ends drooping. The seller stated off handily that this is easily corrected by heating and bending. Does anyone have any experience correcting this problem and does heating the ends really allow you to bend the chassis back to the original shape. Unless I hear otherwise, I have my doubts.   Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74774	From: traindavid	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis

The warping on these chassis is also a sign of their shrinking!! As the bodies are a different plastic, they usually do not shrink, and this leads to cracks in the screw mountings. SO! Besides straightening the chassis, you also have to "stretch it a bit too. I have contemplated this, but have not done it. I think one needs a stable flat base with pins at the screw locations (based on the bodies, not the chassis!) that one can use to check the progress, and then leave it on the form for cooling. I would suspect a sudden cooling with cold water, or a coolant spray (usually the canned dust-off sprays are cold, I THINK. ) might help "lock in" the reshaped form. Of course, this too is only temporary--in time the plastic will continue to shrink--but you should be good for ten years or so! This shrinkage problem is one reason it would be lovely if someone with the ability & machinery would make properly-sized reproductions. I suppose one could differentiate the repros from the originals by providing a little detail to the undercar battery & machinery boxes by just molding some hinges & latches in them! OK, back to forming concrete, have a great weekend all! S' David D. PS BTW, to whomever might tool up, note that ACG used the same basic mold for all three chassis versions, with inserts to change steps and the platform.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74775	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: RFD-TV

I finally saw Carl's layout on RFD-TV last night. Boy, what a layout!   Bigfoot

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74776	From: The Laniers	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis

The holes in the chassis are not a problem; I‘ve just elongated the holes until they cover the post in the body. But you are right; the warping chassis puts pressure on the screws until the posts in the body cracks.   Herb paflyrman   From: mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 1:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis     The warping on these chassis is also a sign of their shrinking!! As the bodies are a different plastic, they usually do not shrink, and this leads to cracks in the screw mountings. SO! Besides straightening the chassis, you also have to "stretch it a bit too. I have contemplated this, but have not done it. I think one needs a stable flat base with pins at the screw locations (based on the bodies, not the chassis!) that one can use to check the progress, and then leave it on the form for cooling. I would suspect a sudden cooling with cold water, or a coolant spray (usually the canned dust-off sprays are cold, I THINK. ) might help "lock in" the reshaped form. Of course, this too is only temporary--in time the plastic will continue to shrink--but you should be good for ten years or so! This shrinkage problem is one reason it would be lovely if someone with the ability & machinery would make properly-sized reproductions. I suppose one could differentiate the repros from the originals by providing a little detail to the undercar battery & machinery boxes by just molding some hinges & latches in them! OK, back to forming concrete, have a great weekend all! S' David D. PS BTW, to whomever might tool up, note that ACG used the same basic mold for all three chassis versions, with inserts to change steps and the platform.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74777	From: alsflyer	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Warped American Flyer plastic cars

To All Concerned: If you have a warped tank car or any other car that is "out of wack", You can send them to me. I am creating a new rail service company that has nothing but warped cars of all kinds.  I recycle old American Flyer plastic passenger and rolling stock cars only - No metal cars, please. I also accept damaged beyond repair cars. I will try to give them a new life.  Before you ship the car, please send me a photo or two and a good description of the car before shipping. Reply to:  alsflyer@.... Al Layton, Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74778	From: Al	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6432

To All Concerned: If you have a warped tank cars or any other car that is "out of wack", You can send them to me. I am creating a rail service company that has nothing but warped cars of all kinds. I will pay shipping costs and a finders fee if you want to send them free. Before you ship the car, please send me a photo or two and a good description of the car before shipping. Reply to alsflyer@.... Al Layton, Utah On Friday, May 23, 2014 3:20 AM, "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Group 4 Messages Digest #6432 1 STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic) by mrstumpy50 2a Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis by paflyrman 2b Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis by snstrains 2c Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis by "alan smith" doc_strains Messages 1 STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic) Thu May 22, 2014 6:22 am (PDT) . Posted by: mrstumpy50 With the over 100 year old Indy 500 coming up within days, http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com takes a look back at the racers who started their careers in the Twenties, Thirties, and Forties with "Talking to the Legends." In those "bad old days" before racing safety was even considered, these guys survived! That alone was a "legendary&quo t; accomplishment! Nothing brings history alive like hearing it from the people who lived it, and that's what I did by talking to a number of old racers when I was with the AARA for 32 years. There are many tales to tell, today we get just a few of them on STUMPY'S MACHINE Stumpy in Ahia Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ 2a Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis Thu May 22, 2014 2:20 pm (PDT) . Posted by: paflyrman I recently saw on Ebay someone selling an early AF long trucked passenger car that suffers from the common malady of the chassis ends drooping. The seller stated off handily that this is easily corrected by heating and bending. Does anyone have any experience correcting this problem and does heating the ends really allow you to bend the chassis back to the original shape. Unless I hear otherwise, I have my doubts. Herb paflyrman Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ 2b Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis Thu May 22, 2014 5:17 pm (PDT) . Posted by: snstrains You can heat and bend using a hair dryer BUT be very, very careful as the plastic will shrink if you overheat it, or heat it too long at a time. If that happens you are SOL. How do I know this????? Steve Boise In a message dated 5/22/2014 3:20:36 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I recently saw on Ebay someone selling an early AF long trucked passenger car that suffers from the common malady of the chassis ends drooping. The seller stated off handily that this is easily corrected by heating and bending. Does anyone have any experience correcting this problem and does heating the ends really allow you to bend the chassis back to the original shape. Unless I hear otherwise, I have my doubts. Herb paflyrman Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ 2c Re: Streightening a Warped Passenger Chassis Thu May 22, 2014 5:22 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "alan smith" doc_strains Herb, As we all know the plastic used in the early days was not stable. I have straightened the 625 type tank cars to about 95% of being straight. I did this with a heat gun and an 1/1/4" dowel rod thru the center while heating the tank.- HOWEVER, GREAT CARE AND CAREFUL HEATING MUST TAKE PLACE OR YOU WILL WIND UP WITH SCRAP. The advantage with a tank car with the ends removed - the dowel rod is a good form to help maintain the shape of the car. The rib in the bottom of those cars is the key to making any improvement. However, a little too much heat and It's "to late to turn back now". At least from my own experience ! It would seem to me passenger cars would be much harder to straighten. I'm told HOT water can be effective - but I have not experimented with that trick. OLD HAMILTON ALAN On May 22, 2014, at 5:16 PM, hblanier@... [S-Trains] wrote: > > I recently saw on Ebay someone selling an early AF long trucked > passenger car that suffers from the common malady of the chassis > ends drooping. The seller stated off handily that this is easily > corrected by heating and bending. Does anyone have any experience > correcting this problem and does heating the ends really allow you > to bend the chassis back to the original shape. Unless I hear > otherwise, I have my doubts. > > > Herb > > paflyrman > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ Visit Your Group • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74779	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 5/23/2014
Subject: Re: Warped American Flyer plastic cars

sorry to ease drop: but does anyone, out there,  know the metal composition, or the type of metal used in the original manufacture, of  the 625 metal framed tank car? or the original  metal af flat car?, both were linkers, have plans to slice and dice, then solder, and need the melting point, so i don't melt the metal thanks mel perry On May 23, 2014, at 1:48 PM, alsflyer@... [S-Trains] wrote:   To All Concerned: If you have a warped tank car or any other car that is "out of wack", You can send them to me. I am creating a new rail service company that has nothing but warped cars of all kinds.  I recycle old American Flyer plastic passenger and rolling stock cars only - No metal cars, please. I also accept damaged beyond repair cars. I will try to give them a new life.  Before you ship the car, please send me a photo or two and a good description of the car before shipping. Reply to:  alsflyer@.... Al Layton, Utah

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74780	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Turnouts

Hi all: I have finally gotten to installing some SHS turnouts and find that for many of my cars (all types, including SHS), the plastic uncoupler 'gladhand' hits the cross rail in the turnout as the car goes through causing derailment, or other problems. Has anyone noted this and has a fix been suggested? I really don't want to clip the end off, although this would be a drastic fix. Would heat with bending the plastic lever up solve the problem? I have tried just bending the lever up, but the memory is too strong and it goes back to the same place. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74781	From: Ray Puls	Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: Re: Eavesdrop

Attachments : S.C.RUFFY 003.jpg I am not sure of the metal used in these frames but I would think it was Zamac. I have shortened these cars but I used Zap a Gap and reinforced with small angle aluminum and screws. The repairs were almost invisible.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74782	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: SHS Turnouts

Rance, I have used about a dozen SHS turnouts over the years, mostly of the early run.  These have a problem with the linkages to the movable metal frog, but can be adjusted by manipulating the linkage underneath.  Otherwise, these switches will allow just about every brand and type of car or locomotive to operate just fine.    I have not had the problem with the SHS turnout clearance with the uncoupling weight on the cars, and I use Hi-rail trucks with their overscale couplers.  I suspect that something is causing these to be lower than they should be, possibly the uncoupling pin needs adjustment or was assembled incorrectly.  I'm sure you've already tried to note if certain cars derail every time, or intermittenly, and compare them with cars that are not a problem.   Sometimes if stored in a hot place, the plastic will deform, possibly create a condition we used to call "coupler droop" in HO many years ago. The weight of the coupler head and uncoupling gizmo would cause the softened plastic to actually curve the coupler shank down slightly.  This happened with several of the earliest HO plastic couplers, somewhat similar to the warping car bodies Gilbert's older cars suffer from.  With enough heat every plastic will soften, since that's how they're made in the first place.   Another possibility is that the truck screws are loose and when going throught the switch, the car bounces very slightly, but enough to allow the uncoupling weight to contact the rail.  This same problem will apply even if you use Scale trucks and couplers, although not nearly as much as in HO or N scale.  We still see it in On30 from time to time, and you just tighten the truck screw slightly to cure it.   Bending and heating plastic is a tedious and sometimes risky repair as different manufacturers use different plastics. We've seen the plastic actually be different in composition on the same loco or car from run to run since manufacture went to China.  Bachmann has had problems with this for years.    Normal plastics will bend readily with little heat or force.  Plastics with "memory" seem to have a very fine line between bending enough to hold the new shape and breaking off completely.  This has lead me to use a file or Dremel Tool to "mill off" a little of the weight rather than risk heating the plastic too far.  Of course this will slightly lessen the weight available to keep the coupler closed, but in most cases if you take off "just enough" to clear rail heads, you're still okay.   As I'm sure you are aware, sometimes problems like this will cause you to go bonkers until you sort it out.  And there are even times when what APPEARS to be the problem is actually caused by something you hadn't considered.  I've been doing this for over fifty years and from my experience I STILL "haven't seen it all!"   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74783	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Turnouts

Hi Stumpy: Thanks for your comments.  It really isn't the coupler weight on the older AF hook type couplers, but the plastic arm that comes down off the newer knuckle couplers (both SHS and AM models!).  I really haven't run anything through using an engine as yet, just noted problem pushing some newer boxcars through the turnout.  I am still replacing some #6 turnouts with the #3 1/2 (or so) that SHS put out earlier.  That little plastic lever that hangs down is the culprit.  Will work on it a bit, possibly raise the cars up a bit using some washers/shims, etc.  I just have to get two loops working for impending visit of grandchildren (who are train crazy!!) in about 4 weeks. thanks for input. Rance On 5/24/2014 16:50, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Rance, I have used about a dozen SHS turnouts over the years, mostly of the early run.  These have a problem with the linkages to the movable metal frog, but can be adjusted by manipulating the linkage underneath.  Otherwise, these switches will allow just about every brand and type of car or locomotive to operate just fine.    I have not had the problem with the SHS turnout clearance with the uncoupling weight on the cars, and I use Hi-rail trucks with their overscale couplers.  I suspect that something is causing these to be lower than they should be, possibly the uncoupling pin needs adjustment or was assembled incorrectly.  I'm sure you've already tried to note if certain cars derail every time, or intermittenly, and compare them with cars that are not a problem.   Sometimes if stored in a hot place, the plastic will deform, possibly create a condition we used to call "coupler droop" in HO many years ago. The weight of the coupler head and uncoupling gizmo would cause the softened plastic to actually curve the coupler shank down slightly.  This happened with several of the earliest HO plastic couplers, somewhat similar to the warping car bodies Gilbert's older cars suffer from.  With enough heat every plastic will soften, since that's how they're made in the first place.   Another possibility is that the truck screws are loose and when going throught the switch, the car bounces very slightly, but enough to allow the uncoupling weight to contact the rail.  This same problem will apply even if you use Scale trucks and couplers, although not nearly as much as in HO or N scale.  We still see it in On30 from time to time, and you just tighten the truck screw slightly to cure it.   Bending and heating plastic is a tedious and sometimes risky repair as different manufacturers use different plastics. We've seen the plastic actually be different in composition on the same loco or car from run to run since manufacture went to China.  Bachmann has had problems with this for years.    Normal plastics will bend readily with little heat or force.  Plastics with "memory" seem to have a very fine line between bending enough to hold the new shape and breaking off completely.  This has lead me to use a file or Dremel Tool to "mill off" a little of the weight rather than risk heating the plastic too far.  Of course this will slightly lessen the weight available to keep the coupler closed, but in most cases if you take off "just enough" to clear rail heads, you're still okay.   As I'm sure you are aware, sometimes problems like this will cause you to go bonkers until you sort it out.  And there are even times when what APPEARS to be the problem is actually caused by something you hadn't considered.  I've been doing this for over fifty years and from my experience I STILL "haven't seen it all!"   Stumpy in Ahia     This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74784	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/25/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74785	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: SHS turnouts

Maybe I misunderstood the problem or am using the wrong terminology.   First of all, are you using the American Flyer compatable truck mounted couplers?  If so, I imagine that we're talking about the small part that extends down from the coupler to be used to actuate the uncoupling of the car. It looks like a sort of inverted "T" shape with the lower part a wider, thicker piece and is lfted to uncouple the cars.  This is what is contacting the rail on the turnout?   We used to call this the "weight" at the hobby shop because that was what our old Lionel/Gilbert repair man called it.  I would guess this term was a throwback to earlier couplers when this part was pushed up to uncouple the cars, but had a bit of extra weight to hold it down and keep the cars coupled while running the train.   Slipping a small washer between the top of the truck and the coupler shank will raise the coupler, but if the washer is too large, the alignment pins on the bottom of the SHS coupler that keeps the coupler in line with the truck will no longer work.  Fortunately, with Flyer compatable couplers being so big, different coupler heights from the top of the rail from car to car should not be a problem, while with Scale couplers they could be.  Putting the washer between the top of the coupler shank and the car floor raises only the car body and not the coupler of course.   If I've "missed the mark" understanding the problem, please let me know where I went astray, and I'll try again.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74786	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: Re: SHS turnouts

Hi Stumpy: Yes, we are on the same wavelength.  When you mentioned 'weight', I immediately thought of the old link-style couplers that AF had in the late 40's (which were there when I got my first train in '47 or '48).  The round 'weight' was actually added to the link to hold the links down on the coupling 'rod'.  Yes, I was thinking of adding a washer to lift the couplers up fractionally so that the arm just misses the 'cross' piece of rail.  An easier solution would just be to clip the offending part off, but that is too radical and ruins the uncoupling.  I could also grind about 1/2 to 3/4 of the thickness of the 'uncoupling hand' so that it is higher by about 1/16th inch which may do the trick, but that also sounds a little radical and probably quite a bit of work.  That's why I was looking for some 'bending' solution, but I think that is also difficult.  So, the bottom line is that I will get a bunch of small washers and start adding them to the cars that I want to use to satisfy my grandkids next month.  Did lay some track today, and have now almost completed the restoration of the lower waterwing track that I had started to remove in a fit of irritation!  Well, now to redo one part of the upper loop that I also removed.  Actually, some of the removal had to be done, since I substituted SHS #3 1/2 turnouts for the #6's that were there before - which meant that the curved part of the #3 1/2 turnout didn't fit the original roadbed!  I do wish that Don had gotten the #6 turnouts issued; but this isn't really a complaint since he produced fantastic engines, rolling stock, track, etc. for us during the more than 20 years he was working on it.  Thanks Don! and thanks Stumpy Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) On 5/25/2014 13:40, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Maybe I misunderstood the problem or am using the wrong terminology.   First of all, are you using the American Flyer compatable truck mounted couplers?  If so, I imagine that we're talking about the small part that extends down from the coupler to be used to actuate the uncoupling of the car. It looks like a sort of inverted "T" shape with the lower part a wider, thicker piece and is lfted to uncouple the cars.  This is what is contacting the rail on the turnout?   We used to call this the "weight" at the hobby shop because that was what our old Lionel/Gilbert repair man called it.  I would guess this term was a throwback to earlier couplers when this part was pushed up to uncouple the cars, but had a bit of extra weight to hold it down and keep the cars coupled while running the train.   Slipping a small washer between the top of the truck and the coupler shank will raise the coupler, but if the washer is too large, the alignment pins on the bottom of the SHS coupler that keeps the coupler in line with the truck will no longer work.  Fortunately, with Flyer compatable couplers being so big, different coupler heights from the top of the rail from car to car should not be a problem, while with Scale couplers they could be.  Putting the washer between the top of the coupler shank and the car floor raises only the car body and not the coupler of course.   If I've "missed the mark" understanding the problem, please let me know where I went astray, and I'll try again.   Stumpy in Ahia This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74787	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/25/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74788	From: traindavid	Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS turnouts & coupler weights/arms

Hi Rance & all, I don't believe your problem is the SHS turnouts; it is the couplers. The "cross tracks" in the turnouts should be the same height as the running rails. The original specs for the weight/lift bar by ACG was 1/16" above the rails. This is so it doesn't get lifted going over road crossings, crossover tracks, and turnouts. The problem with AM couplers (unless they have fixed this in later production) is the lift levers are too low by design. I thought the SHS couplers were better in this regard. The current production of Flyonel couplers is just awful--not the lift bar, but the couplers themselves that do not open far enough to allow reliable remote coupling. The open position and closed position are so nearly the same, it's hard to tell if the coupler is open or closed. Couplers are actually a complex engineering design. The coupler has to open enough to allow another open coupler to easily enter the "mouth" of the coupler. The knuckle has to have a projection that is pushed by the incoming knuckle enough to close it to latching position--yet the closed knuckle area has to be large enough to hold the mating knuckle, and give it room to move around, or pivot, so as to allow the cars to negotiate curves. So the design has to be "loose" as well as "tight" to function properly and reliably. It also has to be simple enough to keep costs down, and long-term usability--something the ACG folks really achieved; note that most of our now-forty-year-old couplers still function! First thing Flyonel does is try to cheapen them by molding the opening spring as part of the knuckle body. The plastic spring soon failed, as it did/does on their O gauge couplers. Then they decide to make the coupler bodies out of die cast metal, like the O gauge ones. This "improvement" did not think through two rail electrical pick up on the trucks, so that when the paint wears off, you have a direct short between two illuminated cars (as in the NP set--and never recalled for correction, you have to just do it yourself by putting on ACG-type plastic couplers). Then they changed the lift weight to a smaller piece and added a spring to keep the lighter part from lifting while going over rough track (adding a part to the assembly!!) Then they changed the little stamped hook lever to a larger, wider plastic piece, and the coupler no longer opens enough to remotely couple cars with any ratio of success (yes, once in a while they will couple--but not very often!). Flyonel has not learned, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" And, IMHO, their "fixes" have all been wrong--mostly based on their lack of understanding of the design and it's operating world. Is anyone listening out there in Flyonel???? Give us back good couplers!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74789	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: Re: SHS turnouts & coupler weights/arms

Hi Dave: Thanks for the comments (although you didn't suggest a fix :-) - I know you have one inside you!!!).   I have definitely decided to add a washer or two to lift the cars a little on the tracks so that the coupler arm will also be lifted enough to miss the 'cross' track. regards in CA Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) On 5/26/2014 17:18, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi Rance & all, I don't believe your problem is the SHS turnouts; it is the couplers. The "cross tracks" in the turnouts should be the same height as the running rails. The original specs for the weight/lift bar by ACG was 1/16" above the rails. This is so it doesn't get lifted going over road crossings, crossover tracks, and turnouts. The problem with AM couplers (unless they have fixed this in later production) is the lift levers are too low by design. I thought the SHS couplers were better in this regard.................... . This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74790	From: wcbeverly	Date: 5/26/2014
Subject: The Slim Gauge Guild Model RR Club Open House

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74791	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/27/2014
Subject: Comment on trucks and couplers

We've been down this trail before on trucks and couplers.  I completely agree that Gilbert "got it right" when they came up with their knuckle coupler design.  Had the technology been there to do so, I'd bet their trucks would have been more free rolling as well, because we know they're durable.    Now to put this in perspective, during the post war period, the target audience was children, these were toy trains. They had to work reliably and be durable enough for the regular "man handling" of kids.  I had one friend who could have been a tester for Gilbert as his favorite thing to do with his American Flyer was to stage spectacular wrecks.   Today's target customer is the operator or collector.  Both American Models and S Helper made good running, fine looking locos and rolling stock, and they have in themselves become collectable.  These two companies were tiny comapred to industry giant Lionel, yet got it right.  Lionel (in both S and O gauge) lowered the quality standards, raised prices and chased the collector market.  Much of the time using the same tooling from the fifities, but charging higher prices than the new manufacturers who had to start from scratch.   I watched all this evolve while working at a hobby shop for twenty years.  I watched Lionel forced to clean up their act when MTH came along and gave them fierce competition.  The competition in the O gauge market is much tougher than in S, and you can see the difference with the way Lionel treats their S gauge customer; lots of lip service, little change.   Many of you know that I've become less and less a fan of Chinese manufacturing due to declining quality control and predatory business practices, but in this case Lionel can't blame the Chinese as ALL the train manufacturers used Chinese plants to make trains.  And as David pointed out so well, the DESIGN is the problem, not the assembly!     If I might compare auto makers in trouble for bad design; General Motors and their ignition switch cover up.  Again bad design, not bad assembly.  Or Toyota with their acceleration problems; you can't blame that on the folks putting the cars together, it was design.  When you push the outside of the envelope on cheap, you often break through!  Saying that therse folks are doing things "Mickey Mouse" is a disservice to the Disney character!   Are we learning a hard truth in America?  The Model T Ford sold 15 million units, and some are still running!  The VW beetle sold 16.5 million units and MANY are still running!  I don't know what Gilbert American Flyer figures are, but a LOT are still running.  Sometimes Flyonel comes out of the box defective.   Nothing proves the old adage any better; "They don't make them like they used to."   Stumpy in Ahia...I now have my Official Grumpy Old Man Certification. :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74792	From: Mike Thomas	Date: 5/27/2014
Subject: Despatch Junction

Some sad news to report. Despatch Junction, a train store in East Rochester, NY, a suburb of Rochester, burnt down yesterday.   It was housed in a freight house built in the 1880s, and right next to the current CSX mainline, the former New York Central mainline from New York to Chicago.   It was packed to the rafters with vintage and new trains and accessories from all gauges. This was a wonderful place to go and poke around, or chat with the staff or fellow train people. And see the big trains roar by outside.   The local newspaper site here is http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/local/2014/05/26/east-rochester-fire/9607477/   Mike Thomas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74793	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/27/2014
Subject: Re: Despatch Junction

What a shame.  I imagine his life's savings went up with his life's work. Jim Ensign Louisville, CO From: "'Mike Thomas' amfl336@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 2:56:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Despatch Junction   Some sad news to report. Despatch Junction, a train store in East Rochester, NY, a suburb of Rochester, burnt down yesterday.   It was housed in a freight house built in the 1880s, and right next to the current CSX mainline, the former New York Central mainline from New York to Chicago.   It was packed to the rafters with vintage and new trains and accessories from all gauges. This was a wonderful place to go and poke around, or chat with the staff or fellow train people. And see the big trains roar by outside.   The local newspaper site here is http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/local/2014/05/26/east-rochester-fire/9607477/   Mike Thomas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74794	From: traindavid	Date: 5/28/2014
Subject: ACG durablity was Comments on Trucks & Couplers

Hi Gumpy! (Hey, new handle for you, "Grumpy Stumpy" ! :) Of as Yoda would say, "Stumpy, the Grumpy he is ":) You compared the old ACG trains with the Model T Ford, so thought I needed to share this non-train story. About 2 years ago I bought a Model T roadster that had spent the last 40 to 60 years in a barn in dry Nevada. What we call "Barn Fresh" in the old car biz. Mice had eaten the insulation off the wires (and all the upholstery, but I digress!), so new wires, cleaned out the mud-daubber nests in the intake manifold & the valve galley, ATF in the cylinders to loosen the rings (hand cranked her every so often during the day & while working on her), cleaned the timer (distributor to you new car folks), new battery, changed the oil, more cranking, fuel in the tank, fiddled with the ignition coils until the all buzzed, and proceeded to hand crank with the ignition on. She Started!!! Runs fine! New tires & some more maintenance work & I'm gonna driver her around! (well, already have, but just on the property). So yes, Model Ts are very much like old ACG flyer-- a little care & cleaning & off they go!!! Now back to trains before we lose track of things & get derailed onto a siding into the woods. . . . . :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74795	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/28/2014
Subject: Re: ACG durablity was Comments on Trucks & Couplers

On 5/28/2014 8:37 AM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote: > So yes, Model Ts are very much like old ACG flyer-- a little care & > cleaning > & off they go!!! > Now back to trains before we lose track of things & get derailed onto a > siding into the woods. . . . . Like old cars, AF just needs a little TLC to make it purr like it did when new. I have all of the trains my dad gave me for Christmas/birthdays back in the 50's and they all still run. So does the '70 Jaguar XKE roadster that I rescued as well as my '73 Datsun 240Z that I bought new. Us old-timers know how to make that old stuff run like it was new! :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74796	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "A Storehouse of Useless Information"

Today on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com I'm feeling like a lot of us are: Old and unappreciated.  I have spent my life reading, researching, and learning about a vast number of subjects. (Trains, cars, aviation, and a num,ber of other interests included.)  Yet increasingly, I find the people I deal with every day of lower intelligence, and uncaring about anything beyond the world of their hand held electronic device.     Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74797	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "A Storehouse of Useless Information"

I understand; boy do I understand! As a teenager, I heard the saying, "Great minds talk about ideas; average minds talk about events; small minds talk about people." I've come to understand over the years, however, that the issue is not the greatness of the mind, but the focus of one's thinking. Some people, Stumpy and I for example, focus our thinking on ideas. We want to understand what it all means, the significance of everything we experience. When we go to a train convention, we come back with all sorts of creative ideas and can tell you about the latest trends and their implications for the future of the hobby. Other people are focused on events. They didn't get any new ideas and can't tell you about any trends, but they can tell you just about everything that happened, list the title of every talk, the best jokes that were told, all the new road names MTH unveiled, etc. Still other people are focused on the people involved. They can't tell you much about what happened or what it means, but they can tell you who all the speakers were, their life stories, their personality, their third grade teachers, etc. I no longer think that any one group is smarter than the others. We need all three kinds of people to get a complete picture of what's going on in the world. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On May 29, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Today on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com I'm feeling like a lot of us are: Old and unappreciated.  I have spent my life reading, researching, and learning about a vast number of subjects. (Trains, cars, aviation, and a num,ber of other interests included.)  Yet increasingly, I find the people I deal with every day of lower intelligence, and uncaring about anything beyond the world of their hand held electronic device.     Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74798	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: Getting Old and Technology Challenged

The other day I was at a local supermarket that offers wi-fi. There was a young lady with her laptop spread out in her basket surfing the Internet while shopping and texting on her smart phone as well. I teach computer science classes and sometimes too much connectivity is a bad thing. My students are shocked when they learn that I turn my cell phone off at night! People don't know how to carry on a conversation anymore and their written communications are full of shorthand slang from Twitter. Summer classes started Tuesday at the local community college and I am teaching Linux. When I introduced myself, one young lady said she thought I was the auto shop instructor because of my age! I'm 68 and remember the vacuum tube days where I cut my teeth on electronics and gradually worked my way through solid-state to the current level where everything is software driven or in the "Cloud." I really don't think many of the current crop of youngsters have that ability to dig out information and learn from experience the way we did. Just getting old in Tucson I guess..... George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74799	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: Re: Getting Old and Technology Challenged

George,     I know exactly what ya mean buddy. wifi in a Supermarket? I can barely grasp wifi in a coffee shop. I just barely mastered one of those Texas Instruments calculators......remember them. I have a touch screen cell phone.......me and touch screen anything don't get along at all...sometimes I want to bounce it off the wall. I do Ok on a laptop or regular computer and in fact thanks to my model railroading experience I have actually built two desktops........not as hard as I first thought. Now if I can just figure out DCC I'll be good to go.                                                                                                             Bob Lampe                                                                                                                 Kalispell From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 08:34:41 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] Getting Old and Technology Challenged   The other day I was at a local supermarket that offers wi-fi. There was a young lady with her laptop spread out in her basket surfing the Internet while shopping and texting on her smart phone as well. I teach computer science classes and sometimes too much connectivity is a bad thing. My students are shocked when they learn that I turn my cell phone off at night! People don't know how to carry on a conversation anymore and their written communications are full of shorthand slang from Twitter. Summer classes started Tuesday at the local community college and I am teaching Linux. When I introduced myself, one young lady said she thought I was the auto shop instructor because of my age! I'm 68 and remember the vacuum tube days where I cut my teeth on electronics and gradually worked my way through solid-state to the current level where everything is software driven or in the "Cloud." I really don't think many of the current crop of youngsters have that ability to dig out information and learn from experience the way we did. Just getting old in Tucson I guess..... George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74800	From: johntech	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "A Storehouse of Useless Information"

 Terry   In our life's if we wanted to learn about anything we had to go to school, the library to do research or buy books or magazines or find someone who is willing to take the time to teach us. We came from a generation where you actually had to use your brain to figure things out, do the math, use learned skill to build something. We didn't have all the distractions and electronic gadgets we do today. We had to think for ourselves!!   Now we have the internet with cable companies raising the connection speeds all the time. You can Google anything and find tons of information on any subject within seconds. With phones and tablets keeping up the pace you can now have that information at your fingertips. Now if you want to know how to do something, Google it and either they have a video or step-by-step how to do it. Unfortunately most of the people that I meet that have them are either playing mind numbing games, on facebook, twitter or some other social network. It seems kids now need to be entertained with something. Take their phone, tablet or computer away and they don't know what to do!!   Me ....  If someone tells me something funny, I want to be there and laugh with them. Somehow "LOL"  just isn't the same. So with that being said, you may feel like you are old, but in talking to you in the past, you are FAR from unappreciated. I have read all the emails you have posted and read through your "weeblies" picking up bits of information I may be able to use. In reality, you probably have so much information stored away in your head there in any room for new technology to fit in there!! LOL   Take care and know you are greatly appreciated for the knowledge you share and great friendship!!   John Frankforther This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74801	From: scaler164	Date: 5/29/2014
Subject: NEW S Scale Flat Car from Chad Boas!

Chad Boas has been working on a new S scale flat car - a CB&Q FM14 just like his HO scale version.  He has the decals and decks already made and just needs to finish up the master... he should be finishing it this weekend if all goes well.   This one will be better than the Seaboard F6 flat he made previously in that he has incorporated a deep channel in the center so the modeler can drop a piece of 1/4" bar stock in it, and the truck bolsters will also be formed right.  As of now, his plans are to do a total of 50 kits (keeping one for himself).  That leaves 48 available to you others as I have already ordered mine.   Cost EACH will be$30 plus $5 for S/H on the order.   Contact Chad directly at chadboas@... to order yours!   PILOT MODEL PHOTO : www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFlat.JPG   GET'EM WHILE THEY'RE HOT!!!     John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74802	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 5/30/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "A Storehouse of Useless Information"

Many suffer from tunnel vision or worse. They spend hours using advanced communication devices to contemplate and discuss their belly buttons or what their friend Pierce Tat has done to newly disfigure himself. Oh yes that nose ring, what a lovely place to attach a chain to lead them around with. I think three rail Super S track would be a much more interesting subject! Tony Cynor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74803	From: reujan2000	Date: 5/30/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74804	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/30/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "A Storehouse of Useless Information"

I thank y'all for your attention and kind words.  I got quite a bit of e-mail from this "Useless Information" missive as well, so it seems to have struck a nerve with a LOT of folks!  I don't get it right every time, but I do try to write articles of interest that everyone can enjoy.    And I do better writing these days than trying to remember everything in conversation.   As I get older, my brain becomes more and more like a computer with a massive hard drive, but a real slow processor!  I'm still using the "Stumpy Brain 1.0" system, and since I haven't worn it quite out yet, I'm not going to upgrade to the 2.0 version.  I intend to get my money's worth!   :-)   Stumpy In Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74805	From: Mike and Debra Vana	Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: Question about AF 24003 Santa Fe Boxcars / removing old stickers

Recently I purchased an AF Santa Fe 24003 boxcar which did not have the Santa Fe stickers on it, and looks like it never did. There are no telltale adhesive marks, just smooth plastic where they would have been. So did AF make them without stickers?   And is there a way to remove the paper stickers from AF freight cars, like the big round ones on the B&O blue and orange Time Saver boxcars, without wrecking them?   Mike Vana  Omaha, NE,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74806	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/1/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 1, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74807	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

As many of you already know, CTT rarely features any "S". Well this month (July) they have one. And it not only is on "S" but features a one time member of this list, Mike Marrmer & his wife Linda. So this is a heads up for you that don't subscribe, Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74808	From: James	Date: 5/31/2014
Subject: Re: Question about AF 24003 Santa Fe Boxcars / removing old stickers

You might try steaming them like you would an envelope. Jim On 5/31/2014 9:04 AM, 'Mike and Debra Vana' amflyer@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Recently I purchased an AF Santa Fe 24003 boxcar which did not have the Santa Fe stickers on it, and looks like it never did. There are no telltale adhesive marks, just smooth plastic where they would have been. So did AF make them without stickers?   And is there a way to remove the paper stickers from AF freight cars, like the big round ones on the B&O blue and orange Time Saver boxcars, without wrecking them?   Mike Vana  Omaha, NE,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74809	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

I agree with Mike S.  It's nice to see an S article and the article and pictures of Mike and Linda Marmer's layout. Tom Detmer On 5/31/2014 6:44 PM, anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote:     As many of you already know, CTT rarely features any "S". Well this month (July) they have one. And it not only is on "S" but features a one time member of this list, Mike Marrmer & his wife Linda. So this is a heads up for you that don't subscribe, Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74810	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: Re: Question about AF 24003 Santa Fe Boxcars / removing old stickers

Best thing I have found to remove stickers is using a hair dryer to soften up the glue and then peel it off. This works great for old price stickers on boxes also. Then you can use a little goof to remove any residue then wash with dawn dish detergent and warm water.  Christopher Burger AKA Cbtrainnut back in the day!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74811	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

This will be a nice photo layout as I have seen the pictures already. Can't wait to see the article itself.    Mike's a great guy and it is a shame he is no longer on the list.   As can be seen by the amount of activity on this list anymore, there are a lot of us gone. Moved on to better groups on FB. Have a great day! Christopher Burger AKA Cbtrainnut back in the day This post was edited by moderator.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74812	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/1/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 1, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74813	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 6/1/2014
Subject: Sound system for module

 We are building a module for our club's traveling high rail layout based on the Vaughn Monroe song "The Railroad Comes Through The Middle of The House".   However we are out of our element on incorporating a sound system to play the song, preferably triggered by a passing train but at a minimum by a spectator push button.  A GOOGLE/YAHOO search turned up scads of inexpensive units but none appeared to have enough duration, sound volume for the train show environment nor the sound quality we are looking for.   Does anyone on this list have experience putting together and installing such a system or can point me to someone that has?  You can reply on list or directly to me.   Thanx.   Kyle Russell BAAFC kbrussel@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74814	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: Question about AF 24003 Santa Fe Boxcars / removing old stickers

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74815	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

 While talking to the editorial staff of CTT at York, I questioned as to why there was so little S featured in their magazine.  The answer was they would be happy to publish the articles, but they have to be submitted first.  So anyone who wants to see more S in CTT needs to contact them to make arrangements to have their articles printed.  Apparently, the CTT staff does not feature a layout unless invited to do so.   Sharon Russell Baltimore Area American Flyer Club -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: JULY CTT   I agree with Mike S.  It's nice to see an S article and the article and pictures of Mike and Linda Marmer's layout. Tom Detmer On 5/31/2014 6:44 PM, anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote:     As many of you already know, CTT rarely features any "S". Well this month (July) they have one. And it not only is on "S" but features a one time member of this list, Mike Marrmer & his wife Linda. So this is a heads up for you that don't subscribe, Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74816	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Flyer on Facebook was: RE: JULY CTT

It took me a while to figure this out, that FB=Facebook.   I just can't get into Facebook no matter how hard I try.  I checked out a Flyer group again, and the page was inundated with all the things friends think are "cool", none of which were in any way relevant to Flyer.  All of the Flyer groups I have looked at seem disorganized with no clear subjects being discussed, just random postings about various things with no clear subject.  Also, some of them are mostly devices to push new products.  Yahoo may have its problems, but it is capable of better organization of the discussion.  You won't see me abandoning this group for Facebook.  I would even prefer the bulletin board format if Yahoo ever got to be too troublesome with its neo issues.   Dale On 6/1/2014 6:31 AM, chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] wrote: Moved on to better groups on FB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74817	From: scaler164	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: DREMEL TOOL 4 SALE

Attachments : DSC06624-.jpg DSC06623-.jpg DSC06622-.jpg DSC06620-.jpg DSC06619-.jpg I am upgrading to a newer model... so I have decided to part with my older model Dremel tool (model 395 Type 5) and all accessories, attachments, bits and carrying case.   The tool and all extras are in great condition and were rarely used... probably have LESS than 4 total hours use on the tool and far les on the individual extras.   ALSO... thrown in for FREE : ONE (1) early model cordless MiniMite (with battery and charger)... one that has seen better days.  I THINK it only needs a new battery, but not sure.  Good or bad... either way, it might be good for parts.   See attached photos for what you get.  (If image attachments do not show up, contact me direct for them)   Asking $50 for everything.  (Shipping extra - estimated $9)   Contact me offline.  Thanks.     John Degnan Scaler164@...

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74818	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

I have a friend here in Jacksonville that has a small 40' x 60' layout that is S and is being photographed by CTT now for inclusion in mid 2015. Bob Conner On Monday, June 2, 2014 1:55 PM, "'Kyle Russell' kbrussel@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:    While talking to the editorial staff of CTT at York, I questioned as to why there was so little S featured in their magazine.  The answer was they would be happy to publish the articles, but they have to be submitted first.  So anyone who wants to see more S in CTT needs to contact them to make arrangements to have their articles printed.  Apparently, the CTT staff does not feature a layout unless invited to do so.   Sharon Russell Baltimore Area American Flyer Club -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: JULY CTT   I agree with Mike S.  It's nice to see an S article and the article and pictures of Mike and Linda Marmer's layout. Tom Detmer On 5/31/2014 6:44 PM, anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote:     As many of you already know, CTT rarely features any "S". Well this month (July) they have one. And it not only is on "S" but features a one time member of this list, Mike Marrmer & his wife Linda. So this is a heads up for you that don't subscribe, Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74819	From: rudypenne	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer on Facebook was: RE: JULY CTT

It's funny you point out " Also, some of them are mostly devices to push new products." Mike in Ore   In a message dated 6/2/2014 10:58:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   It took me a while to figure this out, that FB=Facebook.   I just can't get into Facebook no matter how hard I try.  I checked out a Flyer group again, and the page was inundated with all the things friends think are "cool", none of which were in any way relevant to Flyer.  All of the Flyer groups I have looked at seem disorganized with no clear subjects being discussed, just random postings about various things with no clear subject.  Also, some of them are mostly devices to push new products.  Yahoo may have its problems, but it is capable of better organization of the discussion.  You won't see me abandoning this group for Facebook.  I would even prefer the bulletin board format if Yahoo ever got to be too troublesome with its neo issues.   Dale On 6/1/2014 6:31 AM, chrisandmhelburger@... [S-Trains] wrote: Moved on to better groups on FB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74820	From: rudypenne	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: 740 HANDCAR

Does the 740 hand car come with one or two red lanterns? I looked on E-Bay & most had none or just one. Thank you ,Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74821	From: James Lyle	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: Sound system for module

Kyle, Several things PVMR learned with sound----needs to be loud or not so loud, depending on number of people close by.   Challenge #1. Average attention span seems to be very short.  Doubtful many will hear - listen to more than a few bars of the music.  So no need to play more than 20 - 30 seconds.  If you noticed on our S layout,  the honky tonk piano player at Miss Kitten Kaboodle's is barely audible, but yet sound unit is " cranked up ".  Noise from O layout is high right in that area. Good luck, Jim Lyle  Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2014, at 11:08 PM, "'Kyle Russell' kbrussel@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  We are building a module for our club's traveling high rail layout based on the Vaughn Monroe song "The Railroad Comes Through The Middle of The House".   However we are out of our element on incorporating a sound system to play the song, preferably triggered by a passing train but at a minimum by a spectator push button.  A GOOGLE/YAHOO search turned up scads of inexpensive units but none appeared to have enough duration, sound volume for the train show environment nor the sound quality we are looking for.   Does anyone on this list have experience putting together and installing such a system or can point me to someone that has?  You can reply on list or directly to me.   Thanx.   Kyle Russell BAAFC kbrussel@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74822	From: snstrains	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: 740 HANDCAR

One on each end Steve...Boise     ---- Original Message ---- From: anormal1@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 5:18 pm Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 740 HANDCAR   Does the 740 hand car come with one or two red lanterns? I looked on E-Bay & most had none or just one. Thank you ,Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74823	From: alan smith	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: 740 HANDCAR

Mike,  740 came with Two -- (1) by each man ( per the books)   A. Smith Hamilton, Oh. On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Does the 740 hand car come with one or two red lanterns? I looked on E-Bay & most had none or just one. Thank you ,Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74824	From: rudypenne	Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: Re: 740 HANDCAR

Thank You, Mike   In a message dated 6/2/2014 5:29:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   One on each end Steve...Boise     ---- Original Message ---- From: anormal1@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 5:18 pm Subject: [S-Trains] RE: 740 HANDCAR   Does the 740 hand car come with one or two red lanterns? I looked on E-Bay & most had none or just one. Thank you ,Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74825	From: Frank	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

GREAT ! We need lots of S in CTT.  Frank  Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:13 AM, "Robert Conner rcon7@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I have a friend here in Jacksonville that has a small 40' x 60' layout that is S and is being photographed by CTT now for inclusion in mid 2015. Bob Conner On Monday, June 2, 2014 1:55 PM, "'Kyle Russell' kbrussel@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:    While talking to the editorial staff of CTT at York, I questioned as to why there was so little S featured in their magazine.  The answer was they would be happy to publish the articles, but they have to be submitted first.  So anyone who wants to see more S in CTT needs to contact them to make arrangements to have their articles printed.  Apparently, the CTT staff does not feature a layout unless invited to do so.   Sharon Russell Baltimore Area American Flyer Club -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: JULY CTT   I agree with Mike S.  It's nice to see an S article and the article and pictures of Mike and Linda Marmer's layout. Tom Detmer On 5/31/2014 6:44 PM, anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote:     As many of you already know, CTT rarely features any "S". Well this month (July) they have one. And it not only is on "S" but features a one time member of this list, Mike Marrmer & his wife Linda. So this is a heads up for you that don't subscribe, Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74826	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: Flyer on Facebook

Facebook was never really meant to be anything but a "social" site that could be used by Facebook itself to "mine" personal information and for advertising.  It's not as efficient as Yahoo Groups for hobby uses, even as screwed up as Yahoo is now, and most users tend to consider it more of a "social" function anyway. Another problem with Facebook is that it's damn near impossible to get off of it!   My wife got on Facebook a few years ago, and our SPAM, Adware, and Spyware problems went up immediately. So far, she has not been able to get off it, so we now have our security settings higher and have added more security software to the computer she uses.     About this time last year I bought my own computer which she is not allowed on, and I have VERY few security problems because I don't do stuff like Facebook or troll unsecured websites.  I don't "go looking for trouble."    The Internet is a great technology, but like any technology, it is a "two edged sword."  I try to use it without getting cut! :-)   Stumpy in Ahia...getting to old to be stupid.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74827	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: CTT Magazines

I have a collection of Classic Toy Train Magazines from 1990 to February of 2010. That comes to 20 years in the collection. They are in mint condition, & the 1990 year is in a bound book form from CTT. If interested make me an offer I can't refuse? Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74828	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

The problem is: How do they know what is out there? Unless those who have layouts, or those who know people who have layouts let CTT know, or if the CTT folks just stumble upon one, there are none featured. I personally know only two people in the KC area who have layouts and they have already been in the mag twice each over the years. Well, there is one other person, but he is not interested in disclosing to the world that he has $40,000 worth of collectibles in his basement. But there are other roadblocks: Most S people are LAF/Gilbert runners and or collectors and they do not consider their layouts worthy of a magazine spread. Scale S modelers are so few and far between that they are difficult to ferret out. In this metro area of 2.3 million souls, I only know of one scale modeler with a layout. Doesn’t mean there aren’t more. I think there are lots of “closet collectors” literally. Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:24:29 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: JULY CTT             While talking to the editorial staff of CTT at York, I questioned as to why there was so little S featured in their magazine.  The answer was they would be happy to publish the articles, but they have to be submitted first.  So anyone who wants to see more S in CTT needs to contact them to make arrangements to have their articles printed.  Apparently, the CTT staff does not feature a layout unless invited to do so. Sharon Russell Baltimore Area American Flyer Club -----Original Message----- From:  S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent:  Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:46 AM To:  S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: JULY  CTT        I agree with Mike S.  It's nice to see an S  article and the article and pictures of Mike and Linda Marmer's  layout. Tom Detmer On 5/31/2014 6:44 PM, anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote:           As many of you already  know, CTT rarely features any "S". Well this month (July) they have one. And  it not only is on "S" but features a one time member of this list, Mike  Marrmer & his wife Linda. So this is a heads up for you that don't  subscribe, Mike     Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford,  Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74829	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer on Facebook was: RE: JULY CTT

There is less pushing of sale items on the AF group for one thing. No LBR adds at all. ON the Flyer Swap meet group we sell and trade all the time. As far as organization I believe you are correct. As far as learning something, we share the same type of info as on here. People posting videos of what they are doing with their layouts, how to install tmcc or dc can motors or how to make a train table, how to make scenery. All the same things as here and a lot friendlier. No one edits our comments at all. We are free to say what we want and how we want.  But with the group we have we don't need much editing.  When I was first on yahoo s-trains the experience was fairly good, then it got the way it is today and is why I don't say much here anymore. I made some comments the other day and have of them were deleted by the edit gods. I really wonder how much of this will get through. Christopher Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74830	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/3/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

If you don't let them know you are out there, they really can't "INVITE" you can they? f you have a layout then send them pictures.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74831	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer on Facebook was: RE: JULY CTT

Hi Rance,  If you do a search for American Flyer Trains in the Facebook Search box at the top of the page it should bring up the Groups.  I also started a FB page called S-Helper/ American Models and other S-Gauge/scale trains. It basically covers everything related to 1/64th  trains. there is already 83 members on this group. The American flyer group is close to 800 people.  Hope you join us there.  Any one who would like to join is welcome also. Christopher Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74832	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

 Many of the O layouts featured in CTT are not "scale" .  We need to get past perfection and start enjoying our hobby in all aspects.  If any S modelers, scale or AF wanted to see their layout in CTT, they need to contact the editor and let them know.  There's nothing wrong with having a non scale S layout.  Our train club sets up at least 12 times per year at different venues and we are a mixture of scale, toy train and just plain whimsey.  The people who come to our layout seem to enjoy it all.  I don't think the people who read CTT would feel any differently.  We all love trains. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:33 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: JULY CTT   The problem is: How do they know what is out there? Unless those who have layouts, or those who know people who have layouts let CTT know, or if the CTT folks just stumble upon one, there are none featured. I personally know only two people in the KC area who have layouts and they have already been in the mag twice each over the years. Well, there is one other person, but he is not interested in disclosing to the world that he has $40,000 worth of collectibles in his basement. But there are other roadblocks: Most S people are LAF/Gilbert runners and or collectors and they do not consider their layouts worthy of a magazine spread. Scale S modelers are so few and far between that they are difficult to ferret out. In this metro area of 2.3 million souls, I only know of one scale modeler with a layout. Doesn’t mean there aren’t more. I think there are lots of “closet collectors” literally. Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:24:29 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: JULY CTT             While talking to the editorial staff of CTT at York, I questioned as to why there was so little S featured in their magazine.  The answer was they would be happy to publish the articles, but they have to be submitted first.  So anyone who wants to see more S in CTT needs to contact them to make arrangements to have their articles printed.  Apparently, the CTT staff does not feature a layout unless invited to do so. Sharon Russell Baltimore Area American Flyer Club -----Original Message----- From:  S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent:  Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:46 AM To:  S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: JULY  CTT        I agree with Mike S.  It's nice to see an S  article and the article and pictures of Mike and Linda Marmer's  layout. Tom Detmer On 5/31/2014 6:44 PM, anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote:           As many of you already  know, CTT rarely features any "S". Well this month (July) they have one. And  it not only is on "S" but features a one time member of this list, Mike  Marrmer & his wife Linda. So this is a heads up for you that don't  subscribe, Mike     Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford,  Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74833	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer on Facebook

I had no trouble getting my cousin off of fb. Just delete the account. Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 08:18:49 -0700 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Flyer on Facebook            Facebook was never really meant to be anything but a "social" site that could be used by Facebook itself to "mine" personal information and for advertising.  It's not as efficient as Yahoo Groups for hobby uses, even as screwed up as Yahoo is now, and most users tend to consider it more of a "social" function anyway. Another problem with Facebook is that it's damn near impossible to get off of it!   My wife got on Facebook a few years ago, and our SPAM, Adware, and Spyware problems went up immediately. So far, she has not been able to get off it, so we now have our security settings higher and have added more security software to the computer she uses.    About this time last year I bought my own computer which she is not allowed on, and I have VERY few security problems because I don't do stuff like Facebook or troll unsecured websites.  I don't "go looking for trouble."     The Internet is a great technology, but like any technology, it is a "two edged sword."  I try to use it without getting cut! :-)   Stumpy in Ahia...getting to old to be stupid.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74834	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: NEW S-Scale B&O Interlocking Tower Kit by MJB Models

Group, B&O Tower | MJB Models B&O Tower | MJB Models This B & O tower modeled is based on 12 ft. x 18 ft. standard provided by The B & O Historical Society. View the train station model in HO Scale. View on www.mjbmodels.com Preview by Yahoo   We have a new S-Scale Structure Kit available from MJB Models, it is a B&O 12'X18' interlocking Tower Kit, please click on the link provided to see a picture of this model. I it a laser cut kit and it is patterned after the towers on the B&O Maintenance of Way book. I will be making a bulk purchase from MJB. The kit is $75 plus shipping. If you are interested in purchasing one please contact Ed Sauers OFFLIST at edsauers@... Thanks Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74835	From: daleminard	Date: 6/4/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

I wasn't aware of CTT.  Does anyone have a point of contact for them?  I'd like to see if they would be interested in an article about the S Gauge layout our club maintains at Liberty Station in San Diego. Dale Minard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74836	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer on Facebook

I have been on Face book for four years and never had any problems. I guess it is all in how you use it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74837	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Blood Sport" (off topic)

We all know that automobile racing is a dangerous sport, though little thought is given to that today  after many years of safety improvements.  Such was not always the case and at one time there was a movement to ban all motorsports in America!  That's today's story at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  .   Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74838	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

I have hesitated to post this, but…..in the past I have recommended at least three different highrail S layouts to CTT (and specifically to an editor that that I personally know). I did so with the layout owner’s permission. These layouts are superb highrail layouts, but utilize minimal AF.  None were contacted by CTT  because “they aren’t AF layouts”. That decision was disappointing. If they were “scale” layouts, I could have better understood the CTT decision, but these were not. Powered and rolling stock were mostly SHS and Am. Models. Structures were mostly kit-built or scratch-built.  Maybe things have changed at CTT….I hope so. It’s already too late for one of these layouts; it’s “history”.   <<< ……Many of the O layouts featured in CTT are not "scale" . We need to get past perfection and start enjoying our hobby in all aspects. If any S modelers, scale or AF wanted to see their layout in CTT, they need to contact the editor and let them know. There's nothing wrong with having a non scale S layout…….>>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74839	From: scaler164	Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: MORE New Pix Of Chad Boas' CB&Q Flat Car

Here are a few more NEW pix of the forthcoming CB&Q flat car from Chad Boas :        http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFlat0.JPG        http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFlat1.JPG        http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFlat2.JPG   And for those of you who did not see the first pic that was posted a short time back :        http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFlat.JPG   Additionally, here is a pic of the prototype :        http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFM-14AGulash04-64.jpg   And here is a pic of the diagram for the car :        http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFM-14ADiagramLR.jpg   It's not too late to get your orders in!  Contact Chad directly about these - his e-mail address is : chadboas@...     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74840	From: gartrain404	Date: 6/5/2014
Subject: JULY CTT

Submitting a layout to Classic Toy Trains does not mean it will be published. My layout is for my enjoyment and friends to enjoy but Roger Carp and CTT did not want to publish it. Most layouts in CTT are highly detailed even if high rail Lionel or American Flyer. So please submit your S layouts but don’t be disappointed if it takes years to be published. http://www.gartrain.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html Glenn Ritter 2a Re: JULY CTT Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:15 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Kyle Russell" kbrussel Many of the O layouts featured in CTT are not "scale" . We need to get past perfection and start enjoying our hobby in all aspects. If any S modelers, scale or AF wanted to see their layout in CTT, they need to contact the editor and let them know. There's nothing wrong with having a non scale S layout. Our train club sets up at least 12 times per year at different venues and we are a mixture of scale, toy train and just plain whimsey. The people who come to our layout seem to enjoy it all. I don't think the people who read CTT would feel any differently. We all love trains. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:33 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: JULY CTT The problem is: How do they know what is out there? Unless those who have layouts, or those who know people who have layouts let CTT know, or if the CTT folks just stumble upon one, there are none featured. I personally know only two people in the KC area who have layouts and they have already been in the mag twice each over the years. Well, there is one other person, but he is not interested in disclosing to the world that he has $40,000 worth of collectibles in his basement. But there are other roadblocks: Most S people are LAF/Gilbert runners and or collectors and they do not consider their layouts worthy of a magazine spread. Scale S modelers are so few and far between that they are difficult to ferret out. In this metro area of 2.3 million souls, I only know of one scale modeler with a layout. Doesn’t mean there aren’t more. I think there are lots of “closet collectors” literally. Roy Inman ---------------------------------------------------------- From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:24:29 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: JULY CTT  While talking to the editorial staff of CTT at York, I questioned as to why there was so little S featured in their magazine. The answer was they would be happy to publish the articles, but they have to be submitted first. So anyone who wants to see more S in CTT needs to contact them to make arrangements to have their articles printed. Apparently, the CTT staff does not feature a layout unless invited to do so. Sharon Russell Baltimore Area American Flyer Club -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 10:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: JULY CTT I agree with Mike S. It's nice to see an S article and the article and pictures of Mike and Linda Marmer's layout. Tom Detmer On 5/31/2014 6:44 PM, anormal1@... [S-Trains] wrote: As many of you already know, CTT rarely features any "S" . Well this month (July) they have one. And it not only is on "S" but features a one time member of this list, Mike Marrmer & his wife Linda. So this is a heads up for you that don't subscribe, Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -   • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74841	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/6/2014
Subject: "Out of the Woods" Part Four posted

The June segment of the "Out of the Woods" construction series is posted on Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website at  http://myflyertrains.org   in the Stumpy's Station section.  This month we begin to build a single truck logging caboose, known as an "Outhouse Caboose" because of it's small size and appearence.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74842	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/7/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

----- Original Message ----- From: 'Doug Peck' doug@... [S-Trains] . . . . . . . .These layouts are superb highrail layouts, but utilize minimal AF. None were contacted by CTT because “they aren’t AF layouts”. . . . . . . Powered and rolling stock were mostly SHS and Am. Models. Structures were mostly kit-built or scratch-built. . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have thought CTT (Classic Toy Trains Magazine) would want to do features on classic toy train layouts. In S that would be layouts featurig traditional 1946 - 1966 American Flyer rolling stock with whistling billboards, saw mills, lamp-lighters, cow-vibrators, cows on track, talking stations, electric cranes, crossing gates, semaphores, coal loaders, drum loaders, &c, all made by AC Gilbert in the Classic period. I don't see that an S gauge layout that uses currently made AM & SHS rolling stock with structures mostly kit-built or scratch-built would constitute a classic toy train layout, even though it uses high-rail track and wheel standards. There is a difference between preserving and running classic toy trains, and scale modelling. But track and wheel standards are not the key to the difference, and in some cases are misleading. . Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74843	From: reujan2000	Date: 6/7/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74844	From: racin510	Date: 6/7/2014
Subject: Re: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

Hi Dave,   Do you have a time frame for when we might get custom decals made?   Thanks,   Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74845	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/7/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/8/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 8, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74846	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/7/2014
Subject: Re: JULY CTT

It all depends upon how one defines the word  “classic.” CTT may be lumping in “instant classics.” Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 23:08:50 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: JULY CTT            ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Doug Peck' doug@... [S-Trains] . . . . . . . .These layouts are superb highrail layouts, but utilize minimal AF.  None were contacted by CTT  because “they aren’t AF layouts”. . . . . . . Powered and rolling stock were mostly SHS and Am. Models. Structures were mostly kit-built or scratch-built. . . . . . . .  . > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have thought CTT (Classic Toy Trains Magazine) would want to do features on classic toy train layouts.  In S that would be layouts featurig traditional 1946 - 1966 American Flyer rolling stock with whistling billboards, saw mills, lamp-lighters, cow-vibrators, cows on track, talking stations, electric cranes, crossing gates, semaphores, coal loaders, drum loaders, &c, all made by AC Gilbert in the Classic period. I don't see that an S gauge layout that uses currently made AM & SHS rolling stock with structures mostly kit-built or scratch-built would constitute a classic toy train layout, even though it uses high-rail track and wheel standards. There is a difference between preserving and running classic toy trains, and scale modelling.  But track and wheel standards are not the key to the difference, and in some cases are misleading. . Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74847	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/8/2014
Subject: July CTT

Ya' gotta' understand where CTT is comin' from: Kalmbach.  This is a company that used to publish the premier model railroading magazine in the land whose masterhead slogan was "Model Railroading is Fun."  Some years ago, they dropped that when Model trains were to be considered serious.   CTT was Kalmbach's way of tapping the Toy Train market, something that they would never have considered back in fifties and sixties when "Playing with Toy Trains" was considered crude and below them (although "Model Railroading was Fun.")  But times and economics change.    So CTT openned a new market for them, and more money.  The problem is that they were still into that "either-or" mode and Hi-rail just doesn't fit either Model trains OR Toy trains.  But heck, they still call On30 narrow gauge "On2 1/2" which is a designation that NOBODY in that scale/gauge but Model Railroader magazine uses!   As a confirmed Hi-railer, who uses a mix of modern and old equipment, DC power, and customizes old Flyer from junk boxes, I'm used to being the odd man out.  Hey, I'm having fun "playing with my trains."  Ooops, I can't do that.  Okay, I'm having fun in Model Railroading."  Darn, can't do that either,  I don't fit their mold.  (And I'm SURE there are people out there who are happy as hell that they broke the mold when it came to me!) :-)   Stumpy in Ahia... Havin' a good time not knowing what I'm doing... :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74848	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/8/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/8/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74849	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller

Hi Everyone: As a purchaser of modern engines from American Models, SHS, and 'Lionel', I am faced with the age old question of how to get sound from the engines. With AM it is the OMS controller, with SHS it is Locomatic 10 button controller, and with Lionel it is the Trainmaster Command Base. (I have a broad array of engines including the following: AM - 4-8-4 Northern, 4-6-2 B&O, etc.; SHS - 2-8-2 (2-8-0?), several diesels, etc.; and from Lionel - 4-6-2, Big Boy, 2-8-8-2, etc.) Is there any one of these that will give bell, whistle, other sounds, etc. for all the engines? Of course, the alternative is to have a three-way selector switch with all three controllers between the track and the transformer and switch to the appropriate controller depending on which engine (engines) I am running. Of course, only the engines with sounds will make them - so all the old AF will be relegated to the whistling billboard, and other separate sounding options. Any words of wisdom out there? Has anyone solved this slight problem (incompatibility?) in another fashion that is more effective and less of a hassle? Thanks in advance for any comments, help, etc. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74850	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Am OMS controller

Hi all: Does anyone know off the top of their head whether the base post or the variable post goes through the OMS controller? Actually, does anyone know how to hook the OMS controller up between the track and transformer? I seem to have misplaced my directions - typical problem when you haven't worked on the layout for 4 or 5 years!! tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74851	From: snstrains	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller

Toggling between controllers (4) is what I do. Not a problem.....   Steve Boise   In a message dated 6/9/2014 4:13:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hi Everyone: As a purchaser of modern engines from American Models, SHS, and 'Lionel', I am faced with the age old question of how to get sound from the engines. With AM it is the OMS controller, with SHS it is Locomatic 10 button controller, and with Lionel it is the Trainmaster Command Base. (I have a broad array of engines including the following: AM - 4-8-4 Northern, 4-6-2 B&O, etc.; SHS - 2-8-2 (2-8-0?), several diesels, etc.; and from Lionel - 4-6-2, Big Boy, 2-8-8-2, etc.) Is there any one of these that will give bell, whistle, other sounds, etc. for all the engines? Of course, the alternative is to have a three-way selector switch with all three controllers between the track and the transformer and switch to the appropriate controller depending on which engine (engines) I am running. Of course, only the engines with sounds will make them - so all the old AF will be relegated to the whistling billboard, and other separate sounding options. Any words of wisdom out there? Has anyone solved this slight problem (incompatibility?) in another fashion that is more effective and less of a hassle? Thanks in advance for any comments, help, etc. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74852	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Am OMS controller

Hi Rance, American Models used Ott technology in their transformer.  Maybe they can help you if you contact them.  They also sell what they call a new controller by Dallee.  You can find it on their website. http://americanmodels.com/misc/electrical.html http://www.dallee.com/AC%20Sound%20Controller.htm Hope this is helpful.  Thanks, Mike Andrzejewski From: "Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 6:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Am OMS controller   Hi all: Does anyone know off the top of their head whether the base post or the variable post goes through the OMS controller? Actually, does anyone know how to hook the OMS controller up between the track and transformer? I seem to have misplaced my directions - typical problem when you haven't worked on the layout for 4 or 5 years!! tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74853	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller

Me too. If I understand the electronics correctly, that's the only option; the electrical signals sent to the engine by the various controllers are just plain incompatible. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jun 9, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "boss31@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Toggling between controllers (4) is what I do. Not a problem.....   Steve Boise   In a message dated 6/9/2014 4:13:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hi Everyone: As a purchaser of modern engines from American Models, SHS, and 'Lionel', I am faced with the age old question of how to get sound from the engines. With AM it is the OMS controller, with SHS it is Locomatic 10 button controller, and with Lionel it is the Trainmaster Command Base. (I have a broad array of engines including the following: AM - 4-8-4 Northern, 4-6-2 B&O, etc.; SHS - 2-8-2 (2-8-0?), several diesels, etc.; and from Lionel - 4-6-2, Big Boy, 2-8-8-2, etc.) Is there any one of these that will give bell, whistle, other sounds, etc. for all the engines? Of course, the alternative is to have a three-way selector switch with all three controllers between the track and the transformer and switch to the appropriate controller depending on which engine (engines) I am running. Of course, only the engines with sounds will make them - so all the old AF will be relegated to the whistling billboard, and other separate sounding options. Any words of wisdom out there? Has anyone solved this slight problem (incompatibility?) in another fashion that is more effective and less of a hassle? Thanks in advance for any comments, help, etc. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74854	From: carl4flyer	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller

A switch is not needed unless you are using DCC too.   I recommend using a MTH 4000 transformer. It gives you excellent fast short circuit protection and puts out a pure sine wave. It also has a bell and whistle controller built in.   TMCC and Locomatic can coexist using this scheme: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/locomatic_and_tmcc.htm   Carl             In a message dated 6/9/2014 4:13:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hi Everyone: As a purchaser of modern engines from American Models, SHS, and 'Lionel', I am faced with the age old question of how to get sound from the engines. With AM it is the OMS controller, with SHS it is Locomatic 10 button controller, and with Lionel it is the Trainmaster Command Base. (I have a broad array of engines including the following: AM - 4-8-4 Northern, 4-6-2 B&O, etc.; SHS - 2-8-2 (2-8-0?), several diesels, etc.; and from Lionel - 4-6-2, Big Boy, 2-8-8-2, etc.) Is there any one of these that will give bell, whistle, other sounds, etc. for all the engines? Of course, the alternative is to have a three-way selector switch with all three controllers between the track and the transformer and switch to the appropriate controller depending on which engine (engines) I am running. Of course, only the engines with sounds will make them - so all the old AF will be relegated to the whistling billboard, and other separate sounding options. Any words of wisdom out there? Has anyone solved this slight problem (incompatibility?) in another fashion that is more effective and less of a hassle? Thanks in advance for any comments, help, etc. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74855	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Am OMS controller

Thanks to all who replied so far, and to those who will be replying. Does anyone know how to hook up the OMS (Ott Technology) bell/whistle controller? It has two posts; thus I assume one hooks either the base post or the variable post to one of the post and then go from the other post to the appropriate base or variable track. Can't find the directions without major clean-up of at least two weeks.:-) . And then there is no guarantee that I would find the directions!!! Thanks again Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74856	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: July CTT

You have to remember we are scale modelers. All the prototypes we model exist on other planets not the Earth. Who is to say they are not accurate, the universe is a big place! Somewhere, sometime, those 1 to 1 ptototypes do exists and our models are true. Tony Cynor ET Model Railroading is FUN!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74857	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller

----- Original Message ----- From: Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] As a purchaser of modern engines from American Models, SHS, and 'Lionel', I am faced with the age old question of how to get sound from the engines. . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . Any words of wisdom out there? . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if there is a perfect solution, but here's what works for me. I have an old AF transformer on a board, to which I have also attached one of the 2-button boxes AM used to sell, and an SHS 10-button box. Both are in the circuit from transformer to track. The 2-button box is simply cut into one of the wires from the transformer. This is AC, so it doesn't matter which one. Then both wires, before they go to the track, go thru the 10-button box. I haven't run anything with SHS locomatic in a long time, but I think this worked last time I tried it. I have run new Lionel SD & ES locos with this and was pleased to learn that the 2-button box would activate the horn & bell in those Lionel locos. I think it also activated horn & bell in Locomatic locos, last time I tried it. To get all the other sound out of the Lionel locos, coupler opening, crew talk, &c, you will need a TMCC or Legacy controller. Whether they can be connected at the same time as the 2- & 10- button boxes, I don't know. tom Hawley -- Lansin Michigan USA .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74858	From: Al Baker	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Am OMS controller

Rance, I believe I’ve done it both ways and didn’t see a difference.  I don’t think it matters. Al Baker   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 10:04 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Am OMS controller     Thanks to all who replied so far, and to those who will be replying. Does anyone know how to hook up the OMS (Ott Technology) bell/whistle controller? It has two posts; thus I assume one hooks either the base post or the variable post to one of the post and then go from the other post to the appropriate base or variable track. Can't find the directions without major clean-up of at least two weeks.:-) . And then there is no guarantee that I would find the directions!!! Thanks again Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74859	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller

And, isn’t this issue magnified n-fold where n is the number of isolated blocks one desires to operate?   Ben Colley Still Planning in Missouri   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 10:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Engine Controller     Me too. If I understand the electronics correctly, that's the only option; the electrical signals sent to the engine by the various controllers are just plain incompatible. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jun 9, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "boss31@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Toggling between controllers (4) is what I do. Not a problem.....   Steve Boise   In a message dated 6/9/2014 4:13:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hi Everyone: As a purchaser of modern engines from American Models, SHS, and 'Lionel', I am faced with the age old question of how to get sound from the engines. With AM it is the OMS controller, with SHS it is Locomatic 10 button controller, and with Lionel it is the Trainmaster Command Base. (I have a broad array of engines including the following: AM - 4-8-4 Northern, 4-6-2 B&O, etc.; SHS - 2-8-2 (2-8-0?), several diesels, etc.; and from Lionel - 4-6-2, Big Boy, 2-8-8-2, etc.) Is there any one of these that will give bell, whistle, other sounds, etc. for all the engines? Of course, the alternative is to have a three-way selector switch with all three controllers between the track and the transformer and switch to the appropriate controller depending on which engine (engines) I am running. Of course, only the engines with sounds will make them - so all the old AF will be relegated to the whistling billboard, and other separate sounding options. Any words of wisdom out there? Has anyone solved this slight problem (incompatibility?) in another fashion that is more effective and less of a hassle? Thanks in advance for any comments, help, etc. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74860	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/9/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller

Hi Ben, It should not be that bad. Figure that all of the locos on the layout at any one time have the same type of control system. Place the power source and control options upstream. Then, your selector boxes just use the currently selected power type. Now, if you want to use your blocks to mix and match the control types, then you will have n blocks times m control types and you are stuck with a very large number of switches and other parts. Makes you wish the various manufacturers would all agree on one system. That is what DCC was supposed to do. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 6/9/2014 6:00 PM, 'Ben E. Colley' bencolley@... [S-Trains] wrote: And, isn’t this issue magnified n-fold where n is the number of isolated blocks one desires to operate?   Ben Colley Still Planning in Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74861	From: richs009	Date: 6/10/2014
Subject: Engine controller and Lionel Legacy

I recently saw a demo of the Lionel Legacy (2) controller and the new Flyonel ES44AC diesel (pretty slick) and it got me to rethinking about whether I want to have a command/control system to take advantage of the TMCC capabilities built into my Flyonel Mikado.  At this point, I have one AM diesel and one SHS diesel (with which I have limited operating experience) and all the rest of my motive power is 'vintage' Flyer locos with the old universal, open frame motors.  Electric Railroad (now part of Lionel) makes both command/control and sound boards with which you can retrofit these types of older engines and the ERR boards are TMCC/Legacy (I think they are TMCC - meaning 8-bit digital vs 9-bit that Legacy uses). I've been hanging out a bit on the OGR forum website where there seems to be a lot of experience with both TMCC and Legacy, in addition to the MTH system (DCS, I think it's called).  It looks to me like the Legacy Cab-1L (+Base-1L) system is a good choice for what I want to do (and with the right add-on - a Legacy Powermaster - one can run/control conventional engines with the same controller). But the discussion here about controlling AM and SHS (which, I suppose, will become a DCS system?) makes me wonder how to fold this into my planning.  - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74862	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 6/10/2014
Subject: 2014 NASG Convention

Well the snow has melted and the ice is off the lakes; that means it is summer time and summer time brings NASG Convention time.  Hard to believe, but it is only six weeks to this year's NASG Convention. This year’s convention is in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin at the beautiful Olympia Resort, Hotel, Spa and Conference Center.  Oconomowoc is about 20 miles west of Milwaukee just two miles north of I-94.  Along with the convention, there is plenty to do in the Oconomowoc area.  Oconomowoc is in what’s called “Lake Country”.  With many lakes in the area, the area has a resort feel to it.  If you enjoy lake side eating, there are restaurants that offer lakeside dining.  The area also has great for shopping and features an outlet mall about 15 miles west. The convention will kick off on Wednesday morning with a tour to the Circus World Museum in Baraboo, Wisconsin.   See, www.circusworld.wisconsinhistory.org/ for more information.  Ringling Brothers was founded here, the site covers 64 acres with over 30 historic buildings, circus railroad cars and 200 beautifully restored circus wagons.  In addition there is an entire building dedicated to clowns and don’t forget the live midday circus performance.  Wednesday evening will feature the traditional Ice Breaker get together with hors d’oeuvre and cash bar.  A short presentation will be given on the history of the Oconomowoc area. Thursday morning is a tour to the Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Illinois.  See www.irm.org/ for more information.  Dealer set up is all day Thursday with clinics starting in the evening.   Friday the dealer hall is open all day, along with clinics, and model contest entries.  Also, remember to bring your X-29 box cars for the Greely’s Place contest.Saturday the dealer hall is open, more clinics, model contest judging followed by a social hour and banquet.  To conclude our activities, there will be the traditional NASG auction with the legendary Jamie Bothwell as auctioneer. Sunday is self-guided tours of many S Gauge layouts in the immediate area as well as northern Illinois. Good news from MTH, our commerative cars, the Soo Line Reefers are due in this week.  Roy will soon have a basement full of reefers, please help him out by purchasing several. For additional information, please visit www.nasg.org and look at the convention page, or contact me. Looking forward to seeing all of you in July.  Sincerely, Steve Lunde 2014 NASG Convention Chairman E-mail:  ace5348@... Phone:  262-574-1086

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74863	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 6/10/2014
Subject: Re: NEW S-Scale B&O Interlocking Tower Kit by MJB Models

Group, We could use at least one purchase from one of the four groups in the address list.  Thanks Ed Sauers On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:32 PM, Edward Sauers <ehsauers1@...> wrote: Group, B&O Tower | MJB Models B&O Tower | MJB Models This B & O tower modeled is based on 12 ft. x 18 ft. standard provided by The B & O Historical Society. View the train station model in HO Scale. View on www.mjbmodels.com Preview by Yahoo   We have a new S-Scale Structure Kit available from MJB Models, it is a B&O 12'X18' interlocking Tower Kit, please click on the link provided to see a picture of this model. I it a laser cut kit and it is patterned after the towers on the B&O Maintenance of Way book. I will be making a bulk purchase from MJB. The kit is $75 plus shipping. If you are interested in purchasing one please contact Ed Sauers OFFLIST at edsauers@... Thanks Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74864	From: Ray Puls	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy

Rich; My thoughts are along your lines, I am into Lionel Legacy now, and use some of the ERR motor driver boards. I am a little disappointed that MTH is not going to make their motive power available without  the DCS system installed. I would be very much interested in some of the engines they will sell but I don't see the myself purchasing these to take out one control system which I paid for and installing another system. I would think others also, who run DC, see these trains come without a control system installed. I do have some American Models locos with the ERR boards installed. I will watch to see what A M makes available in road names "Milw. Rd". Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74865	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy

Interesting Ray. I agree about that compatibility issue. Where do you find the ERR parts? Do you have a suggested primer on Legacy? I have updated an older MTH PS1 to PS2 loco. It was a bunch of work and much of it was just duplication. Take parts, labels and harnesses out. Put matching parts back in the same places. The board was different, of course. It was nothing I would recommend as a fun part of the hobby. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 6/11/2014 7:23 AM, Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] wrote: Rich; My thoughts are along your lines, I am into Lionel Legacy now, and use some of the ERR motor driver boards. I am a little disappointed that MTH is not going to make their motive power available without  the DCS system installed. I would be very much interested in some of the engines they will sell but I don't see the myself purchasing these to take out one control system which I paid for and installing another system. I would think others also, who run DC, see these trains come without a control system installed. I do have some American Models locos with the ERR boards installed. I will watch to see what A M makes available in road names "Milw. Rd". Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74866	From: Mike Thomas	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller

Carl,   In your post you mention pure sine wave output from the MTH 4000.   There is some discussion on the Lionel web site about chopped vs. pure sine wave transformers, as well as on the OGRForum site.   http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ProductInstructionalVideos/video.cfm?documentID=6534   http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/chopped-sine-wave-question   I have been looking into to this because my Y-3 seems a bit weak in producing smoke with my old pure sine wave AF transformers, and found the above information. I haven’t had any issues with my old flyer or other TMCC/Legacy Lionel locomotives, or SHS Locomatic operation.   Any thoughts on this – are you powering your layout with pure sine wave transformers like the MTH 4000?   Mike     Mon Jun 9, 2014 9:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: carl4flyer A switch is not needed unless you are using DCC too. I recommend using a MTH 4000 transformer. It gives you excellent fast short circuit protection and puts out a pure sine wave. It also has a bell and whistle controller built in. TMCC and Locomatic can coexist using this scheme: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/locomatic_and_tmcc.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74867	From: carl4flyer	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: Engine Controller

Mike,   Think about it, their powerhouse wall wart that is the track power for the TMCC and Legacy systems provides an 18 volt pure sine wave out, NOT chopped! They are trying to sell their transformers with the chopped sine waves.   It is true that their AC smoke regulators work better with a chopped sine wave at lower effective RMS voltage than a pure sine wave at the same RMS voltage. But just run the pure sine wave at 18 volts and it is no problem making smoke.    Carl     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine Controller     Carl,   In your post you mention pure sine wave output from the MTH 4000.   There is some discussion on the Lionel web site about chopped vs. pure sine wave transformers, as well as on the OGRForum site.   http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ProductInstructionalVideos/video.cfm?documentID=6534   http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/chopped-sine-wave-question   I have been looking into to this because my Y-3 seems a bit weak in producing smoke with my old pure sine wave AF transformers, and found the above information. I haven’t had any issues with my old flyer or other TMCC/Legacy Lionel locomotives, or SHS Locomatic operation.   Any thoughts on this – are you powering your layout with pure sine wave transformers like the MTH 4000?   Mike     Mon Jun 9, 2014 9:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: carl4flyer A switch is not needed unless you are using DCC too. I recommend using a MTH 4000 transformer. It gives you excellent fast short circuit protection and puts out a pure sine wave. It also has a bell and whistle controller built in. TMCC and Locomatic can coexist using this scheme: http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/locomatic_and_tmcc.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74868	From: richs009	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy

Bill - I don't want to pass myself off as an expert on this - I'm trying to figure out what to do - but Lionel lists all their "power and control" products here: http://www.lionel.com/products/finder/index.cfm under the Power and Control tab.  They show - I think all - the ERR products there - along with manuals.  In fact, if you go to the Legacy products also listed there, you can download the various manuals for the legacy systems, including the various add-ons, like the SC-2 switch and accessory controller (wireless control of switches and accessories from the Cab-1L or Cab-2 controller). Lionel also has a "Track and Power 2014-2015" catalog (found on the catalog part of their website) that includes AF fast track, etc., along with the various Legacy products.  There is also a website for Electric Railroad (ERR) - google it.  Over at the OGR forum, there is a forum dedicated to discussions of Lionel TMCC and Legacy.  Mention has been made of a new ERR product - referred to Cruise Commander Lite - that is 'on the boat' that is supposed to be quite compact and would thus be a good choice for retrofitting into Flyer locos (probably not all).  Not sure when it will be available.  Incidentally, ERR (owned by Lionel) makes sound boards compatible with their command/control boards. Finally, Carl Tuveson has a nice discussion of TMCC and ERR board retrofits.  I think this is slightly out-of-date, in that it doesn't include the Cab-1L or Cab-2 products (TMCC is discontinued, but still available on eBay, etc.).  He links to a very nice/clever tutorial on TMCC and the features and benefits of command/control.  That site probably pushed me over the hump in my thinking.  Now I just have to figure out what to get... (cab-1L/base-1L is my current thinking). Carl, if you've seen this, I'm puzzled by your recent answer to the question about the MTH transformer.  I think you are saying that its just as good to run a CC system using an 'old' AF transformer (pure sine wave) for constant voltage track power.  My questions are 1) most don't go to 18VAC (I think the 18B/30B transformers are listed at 16 VAC) and 2) the circuit breakers on the old AF transformers probably don't protect the digital electronics boards in the new(er) locos, do they?  I would think that would be one advantage of having a 'modern' transformer, like the MTH one. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74869	From: richs009	Date: 6/11/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy

Bill - just found this article from a few years ago in Classic Toy Trains: http://ctt.trains.com/en/Operating/Command%20Control/2010/01/Lionels%20Legacy%20Command%20Control%20System.aspx - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74870	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Recall!"

Once again problems at GM prompted today's message at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  but they certainly aren't alone when it comes to product defects and recalls!  In fact, products slip by without recalls all the time, and one wonders why?   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74871	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: Possible New S-Scale Structure Kit * B&O Point of Rocks Station

All, At this point I am collecting what the interest might be for a S-Scale B&O Station kit of the famous Point of Rocks Station located at Point of Rocks, MD., please see the link below. At this point I do not have cost or time frame information....just trying to see if it is worth the kit builder's (MJB Models) time to work up a cost for doing this model in S-scale. http://tinyurl.com/qbhcmrv If you have interest in this kit and would be interested in purchasing one please contact me off-list at edsauers@... Thanks Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74872	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /Lionel Legacy CC.pdf Uploaded by : elgreatzot <wpporter@...> Description : Web Article from Classic Toy Trains about Lionel Legacy Command and Control System You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/files/Lionel%20Legacy%20CC.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, elgreatzot <wpporter@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74873	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy

Thanks Rich, I appreciate your response. I am guessing that the items on the Lionel site marked as ELRR are the ones you mean? I understand some generalities about Command Control - it has been a couple of decades since I used DCC on a regular basis. Older systems before the big NMRA push to standardize DCC (based on the still older Lenz in-band PWM digital signalling) were a hodge-podge with all manner of methods of transporting information. Too bad Lionel and MTH refused to get on that industry-standard, DCC bandwagon. Marketing 201 tells managers to differentiate their products regardless of the wishes of the customers and those guys must have studied. Looks like we can expect more of that in the future with none of the companies benefiting from the economies of scale production. My hopes were to find a "Legacy for Dummies" sort of item that would give me the specifics on the pieces and the overall system requirements. Most of my motive power is older, analog tech (Mostly American Flyer and Marx) on both 2-rail S and 3-rail O track. It would be nice to find an economical (in terms of both time and money) way to convert those older items to a more modern CC system. Seems unlikely. Once I get to the point of trying to unravel TMCC, Legacy, DCS, PS1, 2 and 3 - it seems not worth the effort. My hobby is more about trains than it is about digital signalling implementations. Oh Well, back to my MRC AH601 transformers. Good Old Analog works for lots of stuff. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 6/12/2014 1:06 AM, richs009@... [S-Trains] wrote: Bill - I don't want to pass myself off as an expert on this - I'm trying to figure out what to do - but Lionel lists all their "power and control" products here: http://www.lionel.com/products/finder/index.cfm under the Power and Control tab.  They show - I think all - the ERR products there - along with manuals.  In fact, if you go to the Legacy products also listed there, you can download the various manuals for the legacy systems, including the various add-ons, like the SC-2 switch and accessory controller (wireless control of switches and accessories from the Cab-1L or Cab-2 controller). Lionel also has a "Track and Power 2014-2015" catalog (found on the catalog part of their website) that includes AF fast track, etc., along with the various Legacy products.  There is also a website for Electric Railroad (ERR) - google it.  Over at the OGR forum, there is a forum dedicated to discussions of Lionel TMCC and Legacy.  Mention has been made of a new ERR product - referred to Cruise Commander Lite - that is 'on the boat' that is supposed to be quite compact and would thus be a good choice for retrofitting into Flyer locos (probably not all).  Not sure when it will be available.  Incidentally, ERR (owned by Lionel) makes sound boards compatible with their command/control boards. Finally, Carl Tuveson has a nice discussion of TMCC and ERR board retrofits.  I think this is slightly out-of-date, in that it doesn't include the Cab-1L or Cab-2 products (TMCC is discontinued, but still available on eBay, etc.).  He links to a very nice/clever tutorial on TMCC and the features and benefits of command/control.  That site probably pushed me over the hump in my thinking.  Now I just have to figure out what to get... (cab-1L/base-1L is my current thinking). Carl, if you've seen this, I'm puzzled by your recent answer to the question about the MTH transformer.  I think you are saying that its just as good to run a CC system using an 'old' AF transformer (pure sine wave) for constant voltage track power.  My questions are 1) most don't go to 18VAC (I think the 18B/30B transformers are listed at 16 VAC) and 2) the circuit breakers on the old AF transformers probably don't protect the digital electronics boards in the new(er) locos, do they?  I would think that would be one advantage of having a 'modern' transformer, like the MTH one. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74874	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: Re: engine controller Lionel & Legacy

And more thanks to be heaped on Rich. That article looks promising. So promising, I placed a PDF copy in the Group Files section. There ought to be a notice to that effect coming Real Soon Now. PDF is handy because it can be saved to an IOS device (and I suppose an Android as well) for convenient, paperless reading. I find that handy when the TV show my wife has tuned in is better tuned out. Maybe I will find a way to make it work for and older guy like me. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 6/12/2014 1:12 AM, richs009@... [S-Trains] wrote: Bill - just found this article from a few years ago in Classic Toy Trains: http://ctt.trains.com/en/Operating/Command%20Control/2010/01/Lionels%20Legacy%20Command%20Control%20System.aspx - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74875	From: Ray Puls	Date: 6/12/2014
Subject: ERR products

Bill,  Just type Electric Railroad into your browser and it should take you to the site. It is a part of Lionel but I like the support Ken and Jon will give at their web site.  Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74876	From: reujan2000	Date: 6/14/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74877	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/14/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/15/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 15, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74878	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/15/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/15/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 15, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74879	From: James Lyle	Date: 6/15/2014
Subject: Re: Operating accessories question

Kyle, Early on PVMR limited our " hands on " operating accessories to the Barreloader for the reAson you mention.   We placed it on a corner near the control panel so the ".operator " could " supervise" it.   Almost invariably the kids ask if they may reload it, we help if we must.   Anything  else requiring independent control is controlled by DALLEE  with push buttons.   Layouts in various states of flux, but you know you guys are welcome,  just give me a call. Jim " building on the Keystone Main " Lyle Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2014, at 10:21 AM, "'Kyle Russell' kbrussel@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Our Baltimore American Flyer Club setup is a high rail modular layout that we set up at various shows, events and children's hospitals throughout the year.    We have a perenial issue with the operating accessories, barrel loader, log loader, sawmill, etc., in that they require the constant attention of members to operate them. We had tried buttons that the spectators could push but they tended to hold them down until the barrels, logs, lumber, etc., ran out.  We understand that some clubs have set up timers on their pushbuttons to limit the run time with each push and possibly added a wait between pushes.    Does anyone have experience with such a setup and timers so we don't have to try and "Reinvent the wheel" or point us to a POC could help us?   Answer on list or direct to me.  Thanx in advance   Kyle Russell BAAFC 447 NASG 06F0022E TCA 06-60660

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74880	From: vu68	Date: 6/16/2014
Subject: Bending American Models Track

I'm expanding my layout and have decided to go with American Models track.  I have some or their 42, 48 and 54 diameter track that I can easily connect, but will have to make some specialized curves using their flex track and also cut some specialized lengths.   I'm sure there are good and bad ways to do it.  Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help you can give.  John Zurad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74881	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 6/17/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track

John,     Several years back I built a large layout using the AM code 148 brass rail.  I made a jig with several radii routed out in it using my router.  The grooves were about 3/8” deep and just a tad wider than the track.  I used a straight tip routing bit on my router, the widest one I had (3/4”).  Since the board was MDF it went through like butter.   The grooves started out as wide turns on the top of the 2’x 4’ piece of MDF (or plywood).  I liked the MDF since it has no grain hence no splinters and routed very easily.    Before I routed the gooves I had to make a routing jig which was nothing more than a 6’ piece of 1/4” plywood about 6” wide.  I drilled holes in one end with my drill matching the mounting holes on the bottom of the router base.  The router base has four screws that hold it on.  Just take it off and drill the holes through that base plate.  Hold it secure with tape or a clamp.   I then screwed the router to the plywood.  Along the center of that long board I drilled holes, about the thickness of a 10 penny nail so the nail could act as a pivot point for each of the starting and stopping outside and inside radii for each groove.  The grooves were routed so that each one fit the AM track in it with a tad scooch room to push it through.  Not a tight fit at all.   I started at the top of the MDF section and routed a large turn radii – about 51” radius (or 8’6’’ circle).  That was the largest turn I would use.  I made progressive grooves for the radii down to 36” raidii at 3” on center intervals.  So 51”, 48”, 45”, 42”, 39”, 36”.   Or you could start higher if you need larger turns.  The 51” was very broad.  And if you needed anything larger than that typically I would start at that radii and just bend the track out.   By starting large and working to small each progressive bend allowed me to get a nice turn consistently.  The next challenge is not kinking the rails on the turns where you join the rails.  AM track is not very flexible in that respect.  I soldered the adjoining radius ends before finally mounting the rail to the roadbed.  Use a dremel tool with a wire wheel.  Burnish the rail good on the sides of each adjoining end of the rails about ½” in.  After burnishing the rails ends to a shiny surface, use a drop of flux and if you have one, a resistance solderer. I bought one because it made soldering easier and fast.  If you have only a few turns, then the decent larger solder iron.  Slip the rail joiner on and position the track where you need it to be, hold it down to the radii bend you need with push pins or with the pin nailer (see below).  Then solder and try to keep the rails from kinking on the joints.   The next challenge was to mount the track to the roadbed.  Since AM flex track has no mounting holes you have to drill with a pin drill holes the diameter of the nails you are going to use.   I was not having anything to do with that…since I did it for about 2 sections.  Too hard to make the track stay down without damaging the ties (bending and distorting).   I had a pin nailer (Nickel was the brand) and used 11/16” pin nails.  The diameter of a needle.  I adjusted the pin nailer with about 70lbs of air pressure and nailed each section down in less than 30 seconds.   Tack it down in a few places.  Once it is right after multiple sections are in place where you want them and then go and put a pin nail about every 6” or so.  If you use cork roadbed under the ties it will not allow the ties to depress when pin nailed.  The pin nails are so thin that you have to really look for them.  If the road bed is softer..use less pressure in the gun.  This way the ties do not depress.  But I found that not to be a problem at all.  If one of the pins is a tad high, nip it off with a Xuron rail cutter.   Do not try to cut the AM track with a saw or wire cutter…use cut off discs on a dremel tool.   The only way to go.   Best Regards   Paul Krause 5 Chandler Lane New Milford, CT 06776 Home# 860-350-5144 Mobile# 203-512-2866   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 11:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Bending American Models Track       I'm expanding my layout and have decided to go with American Models track.  I have some or their 42, 48 and 54 diameter track that I can easily connect, but will have to make some specialized curves using their flex track and also cut some specialized lengths.     I'm sure there are good and bad ways to do it.  Any tips would be appreciated.   Thanks in advance for any help you can give.    John Zurad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74882	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/17/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track

Hi John, I had good success with AM flex track. The natural tendency is for any brand of flex track to provide easements entering and exiting any curve and that can be a very good thing from a smooth operation standpoint. We all get automatic easements when we are driving our cars on roads. Makes everything work better. Straight track can be thought of as a curve with infinite radius. After a foot or so, your track will be curving at 21, 24 or 27 inches radius. An easement allows for a gradual change from infinite down to 21 or whatever. "Stop the Lurching!" The NMRA publishes guidelines for how long the easement should be and templates for drawing them. Some people have had good success with bending a thin stick. Flex track automatically provides a built in easement if you pin the straight part, bend the rails so that it fits your curve after a foot or maybe 18 inches (not critical) and then pin the track to the curve. First tip: go slow when bending. For the first approximation of the curve I wanted, I bent the stuff around my belly. That helped me avoid kinks. Second tip: be sure you have marked the center line of the tangent approach and of the curve itself. Except at the entrance and exit, be sure to keep that line centered between the rails. Third tip: if the curve you need runs longer than one piece of flex track, solder the connection between two pieces before you start bending them. That joint will not become a kink later. Kinks at the joints are very hard to repair once the track is in place. You can only use this technique on pairs of tracks. It will not work for three pieces. Please keep us posted on your progress. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 6/16/2014 11:10 PM, vu68@... [S-Trains] wrote: I'm expanding my layout and have decided to go with American Models track.  I have some or their 42, 48 and 54 diameter track that I can easily connect, but will have to make some specialized curves using their flex track and also cut some specialized lengths.   I'm sure there are good and bad ways to do it.  Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help you can give.  John Zurad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74883	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 6/17/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track

John, one other point,   If you are only inserting a few sections, the AM flex track can be shaped but in small bends.  You cannot do it in one shot.  Another easy way to shape it for a few bends would be to take a rounded section of wood that would act as pivot point.  Clamp it down to the side of a table or bench. But make the surface where the track rests somewhat broad, not a sharp point.  Slowly bend the track to the desired turn by moving it across the pivot point by holding the track with your hands on either side of the pivot point.  But do it gradually.   I still suggest using a pin nailer.  Rent one if you have to at a tool rental if you do not own one.  You will be glad you did.  IF you are mounting the track on homasote, and you do not want to use the pin nailer, then drill pin holes with a pin drill near the edges of the rails and use HO code spikes for code 100 track.    The spike heads should not ride up on the rails if you can help it so the flanges of AM flyer wheels do not run over them and cause your cars or engines to jump.  I also ran into that problem.  That is why I went with the pin nailer and stayed away from the rails altogether.  IF you do spike the rails with the spike heads on the rail bottoms, do it on the outside of the rail.    Once again, using track nails pounded down into the subroadbed always produced some wavy track laying.  Especially if the subroadbed was plywood with cork under it.  When you hit the hard surface of the plywood with the track nails they bend, distorted the track and sometimes go where the voids in the plywood are found and not seen.  Drilling a hole with the pin drill into the plywood will help avoid that but it too is time consuming and wheres on your fingers.   Spiking flex track is tedious work and exacting.  The pin nailer goes…1-2-3.  You will see!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74884	From: vu68	Date: 6/18/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track

Thanks for the tips.  I've gotten a few more off line and through S Scale.  As I suspected there is some diversity of opinion on how best to do this, but the suggestions are fantastic - they greatly increased my chances of pulling this off (without pulling out what remains of my hair).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74885	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/18/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track

Keep in mind that Brooks Stover's Buffalo Creak and Gauley railroad is built with AM track.  So despite some problems that have been expressed, it is possible to have a great layout with AM flex and other track components.      -  Earl Henry, Nashville   In a message dated 6/18/2014 10:02:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Thanks for the tips.  I've gotten a few more off line and through S Scale.  As I suspected there is some diversity of opinion on how best to do this, but the suggestions are fantastic - they greatly increased my chances of pulling this off (without pulling out what remains of my hair).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74886	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/18/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models Track

Given time, patience, the right tools, the right materials, the right expertise and good vision, almost anything can be accomplished. I one does not possess at least 5 out of 6 of these attributes, be wary. Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 17:18:02 -0400 (EDT) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bending American Models Track            Keep in mind that Brooks Stover's Buffalo Creak and Gauley railroad is built with AM track.  So despite some problems that have been expressed, it is possible to have a great layout with AM flex and other track components.      -  Earl Henry, Nashville   In a message dated 6/18/2014 10:02:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:      Thanks for the tips.  I've gotten a few more off line and through S  Scale.  As I suspected there is some diversity of opinion on how best to  do this, but the suggestions are fantastic - they greatly increased my chances  of pulling this off (without pulling out what remains of my hair).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74887	From: scaler164	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: 4 New Pix Of Chad Boas' CB&Q Flat Car

Here are the latest NEW pix of the pilot model for the next Chad Boas S scale model : CB&Q Flat Car      - www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFlat3.JPG    - www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFlat4.JPG    - www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFlat5.JPG    - www.trainweb.org/seaboard/CB&QFlat6.JPG     Chad said he "should be mailing out the paid orders by Friday."     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74888	From: druvnik	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: American Flyer Collectors Club (defunct)

I've been organizing my TCAQ and AFCC issues. Does anyone know what has become of Commodore Choo Choo Hutchinson? He wrote some VERY well researched articles on American Flyer for "The Collector", AFCC's quarterly. I have been hoping to see him online in one of the S forums, but have not- John Marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74889	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE "Oops"

I just posted the latest story and failed to add "Off Topic" to the subject line.  I appologise for that error  Even  though the subject matter DOES involve trains, it has information on other machinery as well.  I know there are those who get upset by non-train information here and I should have remembered to add the "Off Topic" to the subject line.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74890	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models track

Building a small layout for an older man in 2009, a friend and I used AM flex track and switches with no serious issues, nor did we use any special tools.  We simply laid out the curve radius and marked where the switches were to go and started laying track as you normally would.  We used a Dremel Tool with a cutting wheel to cut the rails and ties and a soldering iron to solder rail joints.  Having the biggest belly, I did the "belly bend" of the track for the curves.  The track was laid with screws holding it as we worked it into final position and then ballasted it with ballast and white glue.   Yes, American Models track is harder to lay than HO flex track because of it's greater rail section.  But we laid it to 15" radius with just a little extra effort.  I have built several Micro Layouts in On30 and HO using flex track, with radius as little as 6" on one, though I wouldn't go tighter than 12" for S gauge.  On really tight curves, you can cut the plastic connections between the plastic tie strip from underneath which allows more movement of the ties on the rails and therefore more track flexibility.   I also did a very small S logging layout for taking to train shows, this one using S Helper flex track and switches ( those who went to the Spring S Spree have seen this layout several times back about 2008 to 2010.)  The SHS track bent to 15" radius a bit easier due to the slightly smaller rail size, but "burying" the switches into the layout base was a problem.   In the case of anyone building a layout to standard 20" radius curves or larger, you shouldn't have a problem, even if you've never laid flexible track sections before.  Just plan carefully and work slowly.  Remeber the old carpenter's adage: "Measure twice, cut once."  And don't panic if you make a mistake.  Learn from it and add to your skills.   One more tip and I'll go: Keep any extra pieces of rail and extra ties from cutting the track.  You can use the ties under any area where you might come up with gaps under the rail such as some rail joints.  The extra rail can be used for fill where you make mistakes or  painted "rust" color and made a scenery element.   Best of luck, and call out the Gandy Dancers...   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74891	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Transportation Stupidity"

Today on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we take up two things that have to do with transportation.  As most of you are aware, railroad operations have strict "Hours of Service" regulations.  In fact the transportation industry has many such regulations.  But recent events show that they are not effective.  Another thing that is in the works are "driverless cars."  I love machinery of all kinds, but people should be in control!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74892	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: Bending American Models track

When I redid a portion of the Trinity Express corner module, I had to re-bend the AM track we use on the outer main. (we use code 100 on the inner loop.  I cut the little pieces between the ties and it bent a lot easier.  Not like HO or S-Helper, but easier than unmodified.  I also used track sweeps to assure an even curve.  We have a 52 inch radius outer loop so I also used a resistance soldering iron to join the 2 pieces of track for a 90 degree corner. Properly ballasted, most casual observers don't know the difference.  We are constantly asked of we are HO. Ted Weiler DFW area, TX On Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:30 AM, "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Building a small layout for an older man in 2009, a friend and I used AM flex track and switches with no serious issues, nor did we use any special tools.  We simply laid out the curve radius and marked where the switches were to go and started laying track as you normally would.  We used a Dremel Tool with a cutting wheel to cut the rails and ties and a soldering iron to solder rail joints.  Having the biggest belly, I did the "belly bend" of the track for the curves.  The track was laid with screws holding it as we worked it into final position and then ballasted it with ballast and white glue.   Yes, American Models track is harder to lay than HO flex track because of it's greater rail section.  But we laid it to 15" radius with just a little extra effort.  I have built several Micro Layouts in On30 and HO using flex track, with radius as little as 6" on one, though I wouldn't go tighter than 12" for S gauge.  On really tight curves, you can cut the plastic connections between the plastic tie strip from underneath which allows more movement of the ties on the rails and therefore more track flexibility.   I also did a very small S logging layout for taking to train shows, this one using S Helper flex track and switches ( those who went to the Spring S Spree have seen this layout several times back about 2008 to 2010.)  The SHS track bent to 15" radius a bit easier due to the slightly smaller rail size, but "burying" the switches into the layout base was a problem.   In the case of anyone building a layout to standard 20" radius curves or larger, you shouldn't have a problem, even if you've never laid flexible track sections before.  Just plan carefully and work slowly.  Remeber the old carpenter's adage: "Measure twice, cut once."  And don't panic if you make a mistake.  Learn from it and add to your skills.   One more tip and I'll go: Keep any extra pieces of rail and extra ties from cutting the track.  You can use the ties under any area where you might come up with gaps under the rail such as some rail joints.  The extra rail can be used for fill where you make mistakes or  painted "rust" color and made a scenery element.   Best of luck, and call out the Gandy Dancers...   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74893	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Turnouts

Hi all: Just wondering if anyone out there has a pair of SHS turnouts that are extra, just sitting there and not getting any work - thus you would like to sell the pair. I would like to find another pair and really don't want to wait until MTH comes out with their version. Any out there for sale? Please send me info off line at: rvelapoldi@... thanks very much. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Note: will be in the US in about 3 weeks - New Mexico area. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74894	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Turnouts

Going to NM ? Stop by and visit SF 4-8-4 2926 that is being restored and should run with     Frank R. EMIRO From: "Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS Turnouts   Hi all: Just wondering if anyone out there has a pair of SHS turnouts that are extra, just sitting there and not getting any work - thus you would like to sell the pair. I would like to find another pair and really don't want to wait until MTH comes out with their version. Any out there for sale? Please send me info off line at: rvelapoldi@... thanks very much. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Note: will be in the US in about 3 weeks - New Mexico area. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74895	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/19/2014
Subject: Re: SHS Turnouts

Hi: Sorry, I forgot to mention that I wanted remote controlled SHS turnouts.  Not really interested in manual ones. thanks Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) Hi all: Just wondering if anyone out there has a pair of SHS turnouts that are extra, just sitting there and not getting any work - thus you would like to sell the pair. I would like to find another pair and really don't want to wait until MTH comes out with their version. Any out there for sale? Please send me info off line at: rvelapoldi@... thanks very much. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) Note: will be in the US in about 3 weeks - New Mexico area. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74896	From: scaler164	Date: 6/20/2014
Subject: Re: 4 New Pix Of Chad Boas' CB&Q Flat Car

Chad just informed me that he has reservations for a total of 37 S scale CB&Q flat cars, another one for himself... leaving 12 left unclaimed.  Not too bad... but could be better.  He wanted a minimum of 50 to do the run... but has apparently decided to go ahead with it regardless of the low numbers.  Come on, folks... surely we can give him a mere 12 more orders to show our appreciation for his catering to S where there are already far too few manufacturers!   He also stated that he is thinking about doing L&N or NKP wood side gondolas next... maybe in about a year... so that is something to look forward to.   John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74897	From: reujan2000	Date: 6/21/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74898	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/21/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific

Hi all: Many years ago (15-20?) I purchased an AM B&O pacific passenger set with the 4-6-2 Pacific plus long passenger cars (AC power). The Pacific has been working exceptionally well, with a few moves across the pond, etc. Lately, however, the whistle and bell tend to blow/sound without using the buttons. I have done track cleaning, but it doesn't seem to help (although it was with one of the newer track cleaning cars with rotating discs). Anyone have suggestions about a fix for this? It works very nicely, except for the sound, which tends to get annoying when it is going every 30 seconds or so. thanks for any help/suggestions. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74899	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/21/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74900	From: railtwister	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

I have seen the new Lion Chief Plus R/C control system at the LHS, and a few of the members at the local club have purchased them and are very happy with them. When I saw that the new L/AF Berkshire is shown in the 2014 catalog as coming with the similar "Flyer Chief" control system, I became very interested. Up to now I have managed to resist the new Flyer releases offered by Lionel because they were incompatible with my DC/DCC layout, but this new control system should be a game changer because it is so universally compatible with existing control systems, in addition to the fact that it offers great speed control plus good sound. Even though I am primarily interested in Scale rather than Hi-Rail, when I built my layout I used code 148 rail with closed-frog turnouts just in case someone might want to run their American Flyer on the layout during a visit. Now, so many years later, I find that I am more tolerant of the pizza cutter flanges and grossly oversized couplers than I once was, and I am actually looking forward to the release of the new American Flyer Berkshire sets. Because it is so compatible with existing control systems, I see great potential for this new control system, especially for clubs, even though I am a big DCC user in at least four different scales (S, On30, HO, & N) on my various modules. I only hope Lionel doesn't screw things up by trying to make it proprietary, or by abandoning the Chief system before it has a chance to become popular. I look forward to hearing comments from anyone who has seen or tried this system out in person. Bill in FtL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74901	From: lou342ac	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific

Rance,        Had a similar problem occur when using American Models sound controller running AM engine. If you are using AM sound controller, run the engine with the sound controller disconnected and see if the problem goes away. This will help isolate the problem to the engine or controller. If the sounds stop with controller out of the circuit you can eliminate the engine as the source of the problem.       I found the problem was a defective diode in the controller. The American Models controller has 10 diodes in it. You can purchase a replacement diode from a electronics supplier.       If you are not using a American Models sound controller I would run the engine on a AC transformer without any sound activation connected and see if the problem goes away. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74902	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

Yes Bill, I echo your interest in hearing from folks with actual experience with it. Do you know if there are retro-fit conversion packages available? Bill (just a bit north of the other Bill) Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 6/22/2014 8:46 AM, wrangler@... [S-Trains] wrote: I have seen the new Lion Chief Plus R/C control system at the LHS, and a few of the members at the local club have purchased them and are very happy with them. When I saw that the new L/AF Berkshire is shown in the 2014 catalog as coming with the similar "Flyer Chief" control system, I became very interested. Up to now I have managed to resist the new Flyer releases offered by Lionel because they were incompatible with my DC/DCC layout, but this new control system should be a game changer because it is so universally compatible with existing control systems, in addition to the fact that it offers great speed control plus good sound. Even though I am primarily interested in Scale rather than Hi-Rail, when I built my layout I used code 148 rail with closed-frog turnouts just in case someone might want to run their American Flyer on the layout during a visit. Now, so many years later, I find that I am more tolerant of the pizza cutter flanges and grossly oversized couplers than I once was, and I am actually looking forward to the release of the new American Flyer Berkshire sets. Because it is so compatible with existing control systems, I see great potential for this new control system, especially for clubs, even though I am a big DCC user in at least four different scales (S, On30, HO, & N) on my various modules. I only hope Lionel doesn't screw things up by trying to make it proprietary, or by abandoning the Chief system before it has a chance to become popular. I look forward to hearing comments from anyone who has seen or tried this system out in person. Bill in FtL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74903	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

 Hi Bill-- I bought a set in Lionel O for my grandson & it is awesome. I can't wait for the Berkshire S gauge release. Thanks CJB  ----- Original Message ----- From: wrangler@... [S-Trains] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems   I have seen the new Lion Chief Plus R/C control system at the LHS, and a few of the members at the local club have purchased them and are very happy with them. When I saw that the new L/AF Berkshire is shown in the 2014 catalog as coming with the similar "Flyer Chief" control system, I became very interested. Up to now I have managed to resist the new Flyer releases offered by Lionel because they were incompatible with my DC/DCC layout, but this new control system should be a game changer because it is so universally compatible with existing control systems, in addition to the fact that it offers great speed control plus good sound. Even though I am primarily interested in Scale rather than Hi-Rail, when I built my layout I used code 148 rail with closed-frog turnouts just in case someone might want to run their American Flyer on the layout during a visit. Now, so many years later, I find that I am more tolerant o f the pizza cutter flanges and grossly oversized couplers than I once was, and I am actually looking forward to the release of the new American Flyer Berkshire sets. Because it is so compatible with existing control systems, I see great potential for this new control system, especially for clubs, even though I am a big DCC user in at least four different scales (S, On30, HO, & N) on my various modules. I only hope Lionel doesn't screw things up by trying to make it proprietary, or by abandoning the Chief system before it has a chance to become popular. I look forward to hearing comments from anyone who has seen or tried this system out in person. Bill in FtL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74904	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/22/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74905	From: railtwister	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

Hi Bill, This is all pretty new to me, I only yesterday heard about the promised release of the "Flyer Chief" Berkshire. So far, I haven't heard of Lionel offering any conversion kits to go with this system, but I think it would be great if they were to do so. There are a number of other R/C options available from Stanton/NWSL, Tam Valley Products in California, and Del Tang in the UK, but these are likely to be more serious do-it-yourself conversions. These systems are what a lot of people are using in making "Dead Rail" (battery powered) R/C conversions in on30, HO, S, O, and G scale. The Del Tang stuff looks very promising and seems quite reasonably priced, but is not a simple conversion one could do blindfolded. There is also a company called ERR (Electric Railroad Co.) that does TMCC conversion kits for Lionel, American Flyer, Weaver, Williams, and other locos (even brass), and if the Chief concept takes off, perhaps they'll make something available in that format. Hopefully, this technology will really take off once folks become aware of it's possibilities. Right now, it's a pretty well kept secret, which is why I made the earlier post. Talking it up on the groups can only help to get the word out. Bill in FtL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74906	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

I hope Lionel eventually makes the Berkshire locomotive available on its own without having to buy a set to get it.  I'd love to get one but I'm not sure I'll spring for a whole set just to get the loco.  I understand the concept of bundling items together but it would be nice to have the loco available even if there is a premium attached to get it that way.  I just don't want the premium to be the cost of a whole train set. Meanwhile, the Flyer Chief control system certainly sounds promising.  I use TMCC currently and would consider Flyer Chief if only it had some backward compatibility (which I don't think it does - someone correct me if I'm wrong).  Also, it would be nice to see Lionel and MTH work towards some form of common standard so we don't have to have dual or even more systems running in order to have equipment from each of them on the same layout.  I know they're competitors but in my view they just hurt each other and the hobby by trying to force customers to choose one system or the other.  The longer this multiple system approach goes on, the harder its going to be to allow the various systems to accommodate each other.  Maybe it's already too late. Tom On 6/22/2014 10:40 AM, Bill Porter wpporter@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Yes Bill, I echo your interest in hearing from folks with actual experience with it. Do you know if there are retro-fit conversion packages available? Bill (just a bit north of the other Bill) Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 6/22/2014 8:46 AM, wrangler@... [S-Trains] wrote: I have seen the new Lion Chief Plus R/C control system at the LHS, and a few of the members at the local club have purchased them and are very happy with them. When I saw that the new L/AF Berkshire is shown in the 2014 catalog as coming with the similar "Flyer Chief" control system, I became very interested. Up to now I have managed to resist the new Flyer releases offered by Lionel because they were incompatible with my DC/DCC layout, but this new control system should be a game changer because it is so universally compatible with existing control systems, in addition to the fact that it offers great speed control plus good sound. Even though I am primarily interested in Scale rather than Hi-Rail, when I built my layout I used code 148 rail with closed-frog turnouts just in case someone might want to run their American Flyer on the layout during a visit. Now, so many years later, I find that I am more tolerant of the pizza cutter flanges and grossly oversized couplers than I once was, and I am actually looking forward to the release of the new American Flyer Berkshire sets. Because it is so compatible with existing control systems, I see great potential for this new control system, especially for clubs, even though I am a big DCC user in at least four different scales (S, On30, HO, & N) on my various modules. I only hope Lionel doesn't screw things up by trying to make it proprietary, or by abandoning the Chief system before it has a chance to become popular. I look forward to hearing comments from anyone who has seen or tried this system out in person. Bill in FtL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74907	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific

Hi Lou: I'm sending this to the group, hoping for more ideas.  Thanks for the comments Lou, but I don't think they are the answers.  I actually ran it with nothing between the transformer and the track and it goes off spontaneously to such an extent that it is irritating.  I then inserted the SHS 10-button controller, and it still did it (although the SHS ATSF diesel works well with the 10-button controller (as it is supposed to).  I will insert the AM controller next, but it is possible that it could be dirty track, even though I did clean the track previously.  Will have to put new, clean pads on the revolving disc boxcar cleaner and see if that helps.  Any other suggestions?  All are welcome.  As far as I remember, the last time I ran it about 3 years ago it worked reasonably well, with only a few sporadic spontaneous soundings. Thanks Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) On 6/22/2014 16:36, lou342ac@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Rance,        Had a similar problem occur when using American Models sound controller running AM engine. If you are using AM sound controller, run the engine with the sound controller disconnected and see if the problem goes away. This will help isolate the problem to the engine or controller. If the sounds stop with controller out of the circuit you can eliminate the engine as the source of the problem.       I found the problem was a defective diode in the controller. The American Models controller has 10 diodes in it. You can purchase a replacement diode from a electronics supplier.       If you are not using a American Models sound controller I would run the engine on a AC transformer without any sound activation connected and see if the problem goes away. Lou Baldi This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74908	From: frank emiro	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific

Why don't you call AM's    Frank R. EMIRO From: "Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AM Pacific   Hi Lou: I'm sending this to the group, hoping for more ideas.  Thanks for the comments Lou, but I don't think they are the answers.  I actually ran it with nothing between the transformer and the track and it goes off spontaneously to such an extent that it is irritating.  I then inserted the SHS 10-button controller, and it still did it (although the SHS ATSF diesel works well with the 10-button controller (as it is supposed to).  I will insert the AM controller next, but it is possible that it could be dirty track, even though I did clean the track previously.  Will have to put new, clean pads on the revolving disc boxcar cleaner and see if that helps.  Any other suggestions?  All are welcome.  As far as I remember, the last time I ran it about 3 years ago it worked reasonably well, with only a few sporadic spontaneous soundings. Thanks Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) On 6/22/2014 16:36, lou342ac@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Rance,        Had a similar problem occur when using American Models sound controller running AM engine. If you are using AM sound controller, run the engine with the sound controller disconnected and see if the problem goes away. This will help isolate the problem to the engine or controller. If the sounds stop with controller out of the circuit you can eliminate the engine as the source of the problem.       I found the problem was a defective diode in the controller. The American Models controller has 10 diodes in it. You can purchase a replacement diode from a electronics supplier.       If you are not using a American Models sound controller I would run the engine on a AC transformer without any sound activation connected and see if the problem goes away. Lou Baldi This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74909	From: railtwister	Date: 6/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

So far, from what I've read, I'm not sure how the Chief R/C system could have backward compatibility with TMCC or any other command control system other than to say it can be used at the same time and on the same tracks with other systems like TMCC, DCS, or DCC. The Chief Plus locos can also be run on conventionally controlled layouts (without the Chief controller) but would behave just like any other conventional locomotive, with the same limitations. However, the limitation is the Chief only responds to commands from it's own controller, not the TMCC handheld. Two Chief locos would require two handheld controllers, so double heading two locos with one controller isn't possible at this time. I'm not familiar enough with TMCC or DCS to know for certain, but I don't think they can be run on the same tracks at the same time, nor can they run with DCC, can they? The radio systems take advantage of the command control systems having full voltage on the rails for power, but use radio at special frequencies for the control signals. The "Dead-Rail" R/C systems can use the constant track voltage to maintain the charge on their on board batteries, but they could just as easily run on rails with no power connected at all. Bill in FtL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74910	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 6/23/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

Hi Bill, Thanks for the input.  As far as backwards compatibility is concerned, I was thinking partly about being able to run Chief R/C locomotives on a conventional layout and it appears that we will be able to do that.  The other aspect about it would be if the Chief controller could also run a train in conventional mode (just like a TMCC controller can after throwing a switch on the TMCC command base).  You've indicated that the Chief controller cannot do that which is too bad.  It sounds like the Chief locomotive could be run as a conventional locomotive using the TMCC controller in conventional mode.  Unfortunately the advanced features on the Chief are then lost.  It's too bad that two Chief controllers are needed to run two Chief locomotives.  I guess there are some trade offs to get a little more simplicity for the average user. I think you are right about the inability to run TMCC and DCS equipped locomotives at the same time using multiple controllers.  I imagine that same is true for DCC as well.  I also am fairly certain that one controller such as a TMCC or DCS controller cannot run each other's locomotives other than in conventional mode.  So if all we want is conventional mode to run one locomotive then either the TMCC or DCS controller works (I think) but I don't think the new Chief controller works for that purpose from what you said.  It would be nice if the Chief controller could do at least that much but we always have the TMCC controller to use for that purpose. Tom On 6/22/2014 7:14 PM, wrangler@... [S-Trains] wrote:   So far, from what I've read, I'm not sure how the Chief R/C system could have backward compatibility with TMCC or any other command control system other than to say it can be used at the same time and on the same tracks with other systems like TMCC, DCS, or DCC. The Chief Plus locos can also be run on conventionally controlled layouts (without the Chief controller) but would behave just like any other conventional locomotive, with the same limitations. However, the limitation is the Chief only responds to commands from it's own controller, not the TMCC handheld. Two Chief locos would require two handheld controllers, so double heading two locos with one controller isn't possible at this time. I'm not familiar enough with TMCC or DCS to know for certain, but I don't think they can be run on the same tracks at the same time, nor can they run with DCC, can they? The radio systems take advantage of the command control systems having full voltage on the rails for power, but use radio at special frequencies for the control signals. The "Dead-Rail" R/C systems can use the constant track voltage to maintain the charge on their on board batteries, but they could just as easily run on rails with no power connected at all. Bill in FtL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74911	From: Steven Lunde	Date: 6/23/2014
Subject: 2014 NASG Convention

Hello Everyone,   Just a friendly reminder, only one week remains until July 1st, when the next price increase for the convention goes into effect.   Now is the time to get off the fence and finalize you plans to attend this year’s convention in Oconomowoc.   For those arriving early, Roy Meissner and Steve Lunde will have their layouts open on Tuesday, the 22nd, from 10:00 AM - 4:00 PM.  If you are driving up from the south, Jim Larson will be open Wednesday and Thursday, 1:00 PM – 5:00 PM and Terry Dyer will be open Thursday 1:00 PM – 5:00 PM.  We will be serving a great Wisconsin style meal at the Ice Breaker Reception on Wednesday evening. Also featured is a guest speaker that will give a brief history and mention some of the local attractions in the Oconomowoc area. Especially for the ladies, a “Stamping Up” clinic is scheduled for Friday morning.  This clinic has a nominal cost of $5.  On Friday afternoon looks like we will have a free shopping shuttle to down town Oconomowoc for anyone interested. Lastly, the convention cars have arrived and really look good.  If you haven’t ordered one or two, now is the time. Looking forward to seeing you in Oconomowoc.   Steve Lunde Chairman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74912	From: rm_hirailer	Date: 6/23/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific

Rance-- I'm hoping you will get some answers from the group. I've had the identical problem with my Crescent. The whistle sounds randomly and frequently, and it gets annoying. I run it on Lookout Junction, which has no sound controllers inserted between the transformer and the track, and it makes no difference which loop or which transformer I use. The loco ran fine for years, then developed this schizophrenic personality. John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74913	From: railtwister	Date: 6/23/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

Hi Tom, While I suppose it might be nice to be able to use the Chief controller to run a loco in conventional mode, I think that would add to the cost and complexity both in manufacturing and operation. The Chief is currently offered primarily as a starter for someone to get into the next level of control beyond conventional power, yet still be fairly simple. Based on the units already available in O gauge, it appears the Chief does this rather well, and at a reasonable price.  Lionel's first O Gauge Chief releases last year did not have the capability of also running in conventional mode, but that feature was added for this year. Apparently they listened to suggestions from customers and dealers and made this improvement. Also, this year they are offering the O Gauge locos by themselves rather than only in a set, but the prices are also higher this year, probably due in part to these improvements. I am a little disappointed that they will only be releasing the Polar Express this year, and probably not the NKP & C&O sets until mid-2015. Too bad the PE set loco has that ugly "cow catcher" pilot, otherwise more of the scale-oriented modelers (like me) might be more interested in it, rather than waiting until next year. Bill in FtL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74914	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/24/2014
Subject: Re: AM Pacific

Hi John: Yes, mine is quite old also, and has been developing this idiosyncrasy for several years, but has just gotten annoying during the last several weeks.  It runs quite well.  I will clean the track really well (manually) and report back whether this helps.  It might be an electronic component that is recognizing small changes in voltage - well, can't really complain since I have had more than 15 years of good service.  Hope we get some suggestions.  I might send the email to AM to see if they have any suggestions. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) I guess it isn't the 50 cycle here that bothers it :-) . On 6/24/2014 00:45, number22@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Rance-- I'm hoping you will get some answers from the group. I've had the identical problem with my Crescent. The whistle sounds randomly and frequently, and it gets annoying. I run it on Lookout Junction, which has no sound controllers inserted between the transformer and the track, and it makes no difference which loop or which transformer I use. The loco ran fine for years, then developed this schizophrenic personality. John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74915	From: Ernest Mennecke	Date: 6/24/2014
Subject: AM pacific sound

Rance and John, Try turning the engine on its back. I needed a flashlight and small magnifying glass to check the bronze pickup wipers on the outboard tender axles ( 6 wheel trucks ). I found two of eight were broken from ordinary wear causing my engine to stall on perfectly good  straight track. Also try some smoke fluid on a rail head. The first time I did this I couldn't believe the change. I use a Q tip on one rail ( three ft max ) at a time.  This may help or not but may be worth a try. I realize you are both talking about sound units but my first guess is an electrical pickup problem. Ernie Mennecke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74916	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 6/24/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

Hi Bill, Your comments are well taken.  Simplicity is certainly a virtue.  My hope was only to be able to have an integrated system and not one that requires more devices to take advantage of new technology.  Perhaps it's inevitable to add new control control devices to take advantage of new technology and we should be happy that we have new things available for us in addition to our conventional trains.  I am glad to have the new Flyer Chief option available and don't want to sound negative about it.  You are undoubtedly correct that trying to do too many things would add to the expense of our trains and that might not be a good trade-off for us or for the people we hope will be attracted to our hobby. Tom On 6/23/2014 8:15 PM, wrangler@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi Tom, While I suppose it might be nice to be able to use the Chief controller to run a loco in conventional mode, I think that would add to the cost and complexity both in manufacturing and operation. The Chief is currently offered primarily as a starter for someone to get into the next level of control beyond conventional power, yet still be fairly simple. Based on the units already available in O gauge, it appears the Chief does this rather well, and at a reasonable price.  Lionel's first O Gauge Chief releases last year did not have the capability of also running in conventional mode, but that feature was added for this year. Apparently they listened to suggestions from customers and dealers and made this improvement. Also, this year they are offering the O Gauge locos by themselves rather than only in a set, but the prices are also higher this year, probably due in part to these improvements. I am a little disappointed that they will only be releasing the Polar Express this year, and probably not the NKP & C&O sets until mid-2015. Too bad the PE set loco has that ugly "cow catcher" pilot, otherwise more of the scale-oriented modelers (like me) might be more interested in it, rather than waiting until next year. Bill in FtL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74917	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 6/25/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

 Although I do not have a DCS unit, if I am reading MTH's literature correctly TMCC (and since it uses the same frequency probably Legacy) and DCS may be run at the same time using their separate controllers.    MTH even sells an interconnect cable for connecting their DCS unit to a TMCC controller so that both can be controlled by the DCS unit.  It doesn't work with the Legacy controller tho.   Kyle -----Original Message----- Hi Bill, Thanks for the input.  As far as backwards compatibility is concerned, I was thinking partly about being able to run Chief R/C locomotives on a conventional layout and it appears that we will be able to do that.  The other aspect about it would be if the Chief controller could also run a train in conventional mode (just like a TMCC controller can after throwing a switch on the TMCC command base).  You've indicated that the Chief controller cannot do that which is too bad.  It sounds like the Chief locomotive could be run as a conventional locomotive using the TMCC controller in conventional mode.  Unfortunately the advanced features on the Chief are then lost.  It's too bad that two Chief controllers are needed to run two Chief locomotives.  I guess there are some trade offs to get a little more simplicity for the average user. I think you are right about the inability to run TMCC and DCS equipped locomotives at the same time using multiple controllers.  I imagine that same is true for DCC as well.  I also am fairly certain that one controller such as a TMCC or DCS controller cannot run each other's locomotives other than in conventional mode.  So if all we want is conventional mode to run one locomotive then either the TMCC or DCS controller works (I think) but I don't think the new Chief controller works for that purpose from what you said.  It would be nice if the Chief controller could do at least that much but we always have the TMCC controller to use for that purpose. Tom On 6/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74918	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/25/2014
Subject: The K.I.S.S Principle

Maybe I've been around too long, too set in my ways...OR have I learned a lot?   In just about everything I do, I have grow to understand the K.I.S.S. Principle works best for me :"Keep It Simple, Stupid!"   I don't use anything that I don't have to on my portable train show layouts and find that I get reliability and durability, plus low cost by following that plan.   Even though we sold both Lionel and MTH at the hobby shop, as well as a couple of DCC systems for the N and HO guys (and I got a good employee discount), I was never bitten by that bug, probably for several reasons that might or might not apply to the folks here.    Our modular railroad club had two layouts, an O three rail and an HO one.  Both had operating systems, TMCC on the O layout and DCC on the HO.    The DCC system worked pretty reliably and any DCC equipped loco would work.  Unfortunately, with so many guys using the system we staged accidental train wrecks without realizing it until they happened, because any train could go anywhere.  Eventually we were running the system no differently than we did before DCC!   We had three loops on the O modular layout.  The TMCC was not reliable, and not compatable with DCS, so there was immediate problems since the guys in the club owned both.  We had three loops on the O layout, so we set up DCS on one, and later took out the TMCC and set up DCS on a second one.  But once again, we found that there was really no advantage to using such a system for us.  Only large complex layouts used regularly for operating sessions really NEED an operating system.    As for radio control, I used that when I ran live steam in G scale on outdoor layouts, and it made sense with that.  However, to add R/C to TMCC, DCS or DCC is just another layer of complexity that the hobby companies use to seperate you from your money.  This is their version of the electronics companies selling you a new hand held device every six months "because you just HAVE to have the latest!"    As any engineer can tell you, the more complicated a device becomes, the more likely there will be problems with it.  Or as my old GM engineer buddy used to say; "They taught us in school that the extra parts not designed in don't cost money or cause a servicing problem."  (Obviously, he's been retired for quite a while as things have changed in the auto industry!)   Yeah, I'm old and cheap, and prize relaibility and durability higher than having the latest thing.  But the K.I.S.S. Principle has yet to fail me.  As they say in Detroit; "Your mileage may vary."   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74919	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 6/25/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

As I understand the "Lion Chief" system, each controller is tuned uniquely to its accompanying loco. For example, one controller will run every Berkshire for a given road name (e.g., AF Polar Express), but will not operate a Berkshire of a different road name or another type of steam or any diesel loco. So, if you are a Lionel 3-rail operator you would need 4 separate controllers for their C&O, UP, NYC, and CN 4-6-4 Hudsons plus still different one for each unique Pacific and Mikado. This system was truly designed for starter sets.  At least, that is what we3 were led to belie by J Don at the LCCA Open House at the new Lionel headquarters in Concord. That is also why Lion Chief controllers are not available for separate sale. Notice that for the Thomas sets, the Lion Chief controllers come in a color that matches the loco (e.g., Thomas, James, Percy). Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74920	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we take a look at how the government UFO agenda evolved way back in the late forties and early fifties and then asks an interesting question.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74921	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: Re: Looking for SHS Turnouts

Hi all: I am still looking for a pair of SHS remote controlled turnouts.  I am including the s-scale crowd in case they purchased some earlier and decided not to use them in lieu of smaller code track which would be preferred.  In any event, I will be coming to the States in about 3 weeks so thought I would inquire if anyone has a spare pair that is just sitting there with no plans for the future.  I could wait for the MTH turnouts that will possibly get there in the future, but don't know if they will be there in time for me to pick them up in 3 weeks (which has to include time to be sent to a US address).  I may just have to wait for the #6 turnouts to be produced. Thanks all Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74922	From: William Nielsen	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's New Radio Control "Chief" systems

I believe that's correct on all counts. However, I'm not sure the Chief system was produced solely with the intention for train sets, but it does make sense that the initial release would be in sets. I don't see it as a burden that each loco has it's own transmitter. It's not like like you need to go out and purchase it separately, since the transmitters and locos are sold as a matched combination rather than separately. Hopefully, the transmitters will at least be available as repair parts, but at least with the "Plus" series, should the transmitter get lost or broken, the loco can still be run in conventional mode. Bill in FtL .............................................................................................................. Quoted from Joestrainrepair: "As I understand the "Lion Chief" system, each controller is tuned uniquely to its accompanying loco. For example, one controller will run every Berkshire for a given road name (e.g., AF Polar Express), but will not operate a Berkshire of a different road name or another type of steam or any diesel loco. So, if you are a Lionel 3-rail operator you would need 4 separate controllers for their C&O, UP, NYC, and CN 4-6-4 Hudsons plus still different one for each unique Pacific and Mikado. This system was truly designed for starter sets.  At least, that is what we were led to believe by J Don at the LCCA Open House at the new Lionel headquarters in Concord. That is also why Lion Chief controllers are not available for separate sale. Notice that for the Thomas sets, the Lion Chief controllers come in a color that matches the loco (e.g., Thomas, James, Percy). Joe" Sent from my iPad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74923	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

PS STUMPY........ HOW ABOUT DB COOPER???????? On , Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: FINE ARTICLE...... MUCH INFO...... BOB CONNER On Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:11 AM, "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com/ we take a look at how the government UFO agenda evolved way back in the late forties and early fifties and then asks an interesting question.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74924	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

FINE ARTICLE...... MUCH INFO...... BOB CONNER On Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:11 AM, "mrstumpy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com/ we take a look at how the government UFO agenda evolved way back in the late forties and early fifties and then asks an interesting question.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74925	From: mikenguy9	Date: 6/26/2014
Subject: unloader track 1946

in 1946 the firsr and only year American Flyer used this type of track. the track has two tie downs for the wire.   It issomething like their uncouplers     I would like to know how to hook it up.   thank to any one who knows.    I can not find the 1946 instruction book.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74926	From: scaler164	Date: 6/27/2014
Subject: Truck / Bolster Spacers on SHS models

Does anyone have any spare Truck/Bolster spacers that come on all SHS freight car models?  This is the spacer that goes between the truck's bolster and the model's underframe when the AF coupler is not used to keep the car at the correct height.   I could use as many of these as you can spare.   (Not gonna waste my time trying to get them from MTH since they probably don't or won't sell them separately)     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74927	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 6/27/2014
Subject: Re: unloader track 1946

Hi mike if you are talking about the inside rail pick up for 716 and 714 one lead to base post other to other side of transformer not controlled by knob Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID "mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   in 1946 the firsr and only year American Flyer used this type of track. the track has two tie downs for the wire.   It issomething like their uncouplers     I would like to know how to hook it up.   thank to any one who knows.    I can not find the 1946 instruction book.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74928	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/27/2014
Subject: Re: unloader track 1946

Hook up is easy. One wire (white) to the Base Post on a transformer. Second wire (Black) to one clip on a push button. Third wire (Yellow) from second clip on a push button to the 15 Volt Post on a transformer. Use an early 716 dump car with the "pick up shoe" under a truck. Park the car on the track section. Push the button and it will do its job of dumping. See www.traindr.com for wiring diagrams referenced under the 716, 717 Bill Drake St. Louis, MO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74929	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/27/2014
Subject: Truck bolster spacers on SHS?

I take it this was a "scale" car thing.  I'm a "hi-railer," but small washers should work if you can't find the SHS spacers.  Try to find them with a similar diameter to the coupler pad.  If you get too small of a diameter, the car will tend to rock in operation.  Paint them black and they become invisible.     I had to build new tender floors from strip wood and balsa for the rusted out "tin" tenders behind an earlier Pacific and a Silver Bullet loco.   I used SHS tender trucks with electrical pick ups.  On the rear I used the Hi-rail trucks with coupler as normal, but in front where a drawbar connects the locomotive I made up the space difference of having no coupler with a washer.  It worked fine in both cases.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74930	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 6/28/2014
Subject: Re: Truck / Bolster Spacers on SHS models

As has been pointed out many times, Daves Twacks and Twains bought the repair end of S-Helper and the parts. They may be able to supply these for you. Worth contacting to see. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74931	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/28/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74932	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/29/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/29/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74933	From: reujan2000	Date: 6/30/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74934	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 7/2/2014
Subject: Last Call for ordering the MJB B&O Interlocking Tower.

Group, I need to submit my order for the New MJB Models B&O interlocking tower. B&O Tower | MJB Models B&O Tower | MJB Models This B & O tower modeled is based on 12 ft. x 18 ft. standard provided by The B & O Historical Society. View the train station model in HO Scale. View on www.mjbmodels.com Preview by Yahoo  If interested please contact me ASAP OFF-List at edsauers@... Price is $75 plus $6 shipping. Thanks Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74935	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/3/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)

This week at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we go decidedly political/current events, the reason being explained in the beginning of the article.  There is NO political correctness in this article, so you have been warned.   However, for the rest of the month I'll be returning to machinery as usual, starting with a story on why certain steam locomotives have survived into museum service while others have not.   Happy Holiday!   ...Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74936	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/3/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic) - Applies to Anit-Kit-Bashing too?

Whoa there Stumpy. You need to learn to say what you are thinking and stop holding back! While I don't agree with everything you said there, it is your blog and I am delighted that you have it. Take your BP meds and keep at it. They work for me and I'm older than you are. I wonder if the anti-kit-bashing folks are another form of Political Correctness or if they just have an opinion. Not as deep as some of your text, but it is close to being on topic. Bill the Basher in steamy South Florida Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/3/2014 7:40 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote: This week at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we go decidedly political/current events, the reason being explained in the beginning of the article.  There is NO political correctness in this article, so you have been warned. However, for the rest of the month I'll be returning to machinery as usual, starting with a story on why certain steam locomotives have survived into museum service while others have not. Happy Holiday!   ...Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74937	From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net	Date: 7/3/2014
Subject: American Models Amtrak 'Materials Handling' Boxcar Phase III stripe

Well, I was watching a "Trains & Locomotives" program the other night on RFD TV which I had DVR'd from DirecTV.  It showed an Amtrak passenger train that had materials handling boxcars near the front end, then later in the consist was a Phase III Superliner car.  By watching the 'stripes' go by (and at the same location on the TV screen) I was able, after 'pausing' at the proper time, to measure the relative stripe widths.  As it turns out, the materials handling car stripes were ~63.89% as wide as those on the Superliner car. After developing this 'fact' I went to the basement and compared the stripe width of my Phase III Superliners with the stripe width of my AM materials handling boxcar.  Guess what?  They, too, were of the same proportion!  :-) And, all these years I thought Ron had made a mistake in making his Amtrak (Ph III) materials handling stripe too narrow.  It turns out he really knew what he was doing!  Way to go Ron!!  :-) WHY Amtrak made the Phase III stripes different widths, however, remains a mystery to me. Just thought some of you might like to know.  And, yes, I do have too much time on my hands!! - NOT!  ;-) Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74938	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/4/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Amtrak 'Materials Handling' Boxcar Phase III str

It all depends which RR shop painted them.  Even RR yshops back in the day did the same on lots of RR's.   Frank R. EMIRO From: "rlgriggs@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2014 5:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Amtrak 'Materials Handling' Boxcar Phase III stripe width   Well, I was watching a "Trains & Locomotives" program the other night on RFD TV which I had DVR'd from DirecTV.  It showed an Amtrak passenger train that had materials handling boxcars near the front end, then later in the consist was a Phase III Superliner car.  By watching the 'stripes' go by (and at the same location on the TV screen) I was able, after 'pausing' at the proper time, to measure the relative stripe widths.  As it turns out, the materials handling car stripes were ~63.89% as wide as those on the Superliner car. After developing this 'fact' I went to the basement and compared the stripe width of my Phase III Superliners with the stripe width of my AM materials handling boxcar.  Guess what?  They, too, were of the same proportion!  :-) And, all these years I thought Ron had made a mistake in making his Amtrak (Ph III) materials handling stripe too narrow.  It turns out he really knew what he was doing!  Way to go Ron!!  :-) WHY Amtrak made the Phase III stripes different widths, however, remains a mystery to me. Just thought some of you might like to know.  And, yes, I do have too much time on my hands!! - NOT!  ;-) Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74939	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/4/2014
Subject: Anti Kit Bashing?

Bill...If anyone is anti-it bashing or anti-scratch building, they seem to be in one of two overall groups: The first group are Collectors who have no interest in it, and/or are afraid that we "bashers" are destroying valuable items.  If anyone has actually read my missives about kit bashing, they will know that I don't condone chopping up rare items for kit bashing or reducing running trains to parts for resale.  As it is, I can't AFFORD to buy the rare stuff at today's prices even if I wanted to!  I build from junkers and common stuff.   The second group are those who cannot do bashing or building and resent those who can.  I have run across these people from time to time, but fortunatley they are rather uncommon.  There is nothing arcane or really tough about either kit-bashing or scratch building.  And I have been writing about doing both for several years.. You can find my series of articles and my three "guides" to bashing and scratch building on http://myflyertrains.org which shows how to do kit bashing and scratch building.  Anyone can do it!   In fact, in recent months I've been doing a series on simple scratch building of logging cars, and this month's article is up on the website.  It deals with building a logging "Outhouse Caboose," so named because they looked somewhat like the once common outdoor facility.   Folks with plenty of money to spend  (an ever decreasing group these days)  need not know how to build for themselves, but the rest of us can save bucks and build things uniquely our own.  Just like when the model railroading hobby began.  Just try it!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74940	From: racin510	Date: 7/4/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)

Right and Wrong as your message may be, I do not think that political rants have a place on this forum.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74941	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)

If anything kills our great hobby of model trains, it will not be the kit bashers, pure highrail, scale groups, but people who are turned off by the remarks that someone or other takes offence to. I don't care what political party you are in. My opinion is that there are good and bad ideas coming from the left and the right and the sooner we start actually listining to each other and start doing what is best for our entire GREAT country and not just (MY) agenda the better off we will all be. That being said, bring it on. If I agree with you, great, if not, that is great also. That is what we should all be about. I can laugh with you or at you and frankly as long as we are all laughing together who will know the difference and we will all have be a great time. Warren (Bud) Chadbourne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74942	From: traindavid	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Posted by: racin510@yahoo.com racin510

I believe Stumpy's posting was done correctly; marked off-topic, and only suggested that those that might be interested, go to his blog and read his latest addition--and warned us that it is political. As many of us like to follow his blog postings, I think it was appropriately handled. Any Ranting was not placed here--but it certainly has been placed on his blog--and I'm one of the guilty parties! Oops. . . . Back to fixing a rocking chair so I can get back to fixing trains; there's a few I need to return to their owners and see if I can outwit the Post Office's package contents destruction system. Posted by: racin510@... racin510 Date: Fri Jul 4, 2014 11:15 am ((PDT)) Right and Wrong as your message may be, I do not think that political rants have a place on this forum.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74943	From: traindavid	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

Hi all, I cannot get to any Yahoo Groups on my computer, Firefox, after a period of time sends me a message that the connection will likely never connect. I've tried all different ways to get there, but no luck. I am on dial-up--did Yahoo do something to make dial-up connections impossible?? Thanks David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74944	From: carl4flyer	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

I had a similar issue.   Yahoo did some updates.   Try going to the Yahoo.com web site and then going to groups to see if you can get in that way. That’s the way I got mine to work.   Carl   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 3:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer     Hi all, I cannot get to any Yahoo Groups on my computer, Firefox, after a period of time sends me a message that the connection will likely never connect. I've tried all different ways to get there, but no luck. I am on dial-up--did Yahoo do something to make dial-up connections impossible?? Thanks David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74945	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Christmas Pix...

HI, FOLKS: Bill Pyper, the editor of our NASG "Dispatch" is in desperate need of train-oriented Christmas pictures for the Christmas edition. Last year, we did so poorly in gathering pix that we wound up with an antique standard gauge train under a Christmas tree on the cover. So, if you have some train-oriented Christmas pix stored on your net device, and feel so inclined, please send them to dispatch@.... No requirement that you be a member of NASG, but it sure would be nice if you were. We'd welcome you...and your pix... with open arms. Gerry Evans In St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74946	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Rex cast metal gondolas

Several moons ago (years?) there was a discussion about some of the Rex cast metal gondolas. Someone was looking for one or two. I finally found mine - I have 9 of them in a lot that I bought about 20 years ago. Is anyone still looking for these heavy gondolas? I am coming to the US in about 10 days and could bring a couple and ship from the US. Let me know off line (rvelapoldi@...) and we could work something out. I have to admit they weigh a ton each (well, not quite that much). Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74947	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Re: Rex cast metal gondolas

Rance, If you are still looking for SHS remote Switches, there are some on E-Bay right now. I think they end soon, & were about $50 each. They seem to be very hard to find, Good luck. Mike in Ore   In a message dated 7/5/2014 4:20:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Several moons ago (years?) there was a discussion about some of the Rex cast metal gondolas. Someone was looking for one or two. I finally found mine - I have 9 of them in a lot that I bought about 20 years ago. Is anyone still looking for these heavy gondolas? I am coming to the US in about 10 days and could bring a couple and ship from the US. Let me know off line (rvelapoldi@...) and we could work something out. I have to admit they weigh a ton each (well, not quite that much). Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74948	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/6/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 6, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74949	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: Re: Christmas Pix...

I just sent a few! I think…. I haven’t renewed my NASG  dues in a while….  :^( Rick Evans On Jul 5, 2014, at 2:32 PM, 'Gerry Evans' gerry.evans@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   HI, FOLKS: Bill Pyper, the editor of our NASG "Dispatch" is in desperate need of train-oriented Christmas pictures for the Christmas edition. Last year, we did so poorly in gathering pix that we wound up with an antique standard gauge train under a Christmas tree on the cover. So, if you have some train-oriented Christmas pix stored on your net device, and feel so inclined, please send them to dispatch@.... No requirement that you be a member of NASG, but it sure would be nice if you were. We'd welcome you...and your pix... with open arms. Gerry Evans In St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74950	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/5/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE :Off Topic

Well folks, as Richard Nixon was fond of saying many years ago; "Let me make this perfectly clear!" Politics DO NOT have a place on this forum, despite the fact that many of the things we do today are effected by them in some way.  That is why I did them Thursday on my own STUMPY'S MACHINE website, not here!  I give a heads up of what is on STUMPY'S MACHINE each week on various forums, just like manufacturers post advertisement of their products on those forums.  In fact I would not replying to the previous post had it not been posted here.   The Constitution guarantees Freedom of Speech and YOU have the freedom of choice whether or not to read my stuff by going to my website or not.    Until Thursday's article, I have steered clear of political/current events on STUMPY'S MACHINE, and want to do stories on machinery, their history and the people who work with them..  Lots of trains, race cars, vintage aviation, and other subjects have been covered.  Great Americans such as the all but forgotten Charles "Swede" Momsen have been subjects, while mysteries like the disappearance of Amelia Earthart 77 years ago have also appeared.   But there are times when politics are involved with these machines and you cannot just ignore that and still fully cover a subject. I considered my evaluation of distracted driving to be a politically "tainted" subject, while it should be a common sense subject.  But if you're going to be truthfull you have to "tell it all."   There have been demands from the start of STUMPY'S MACHINE for me to return to politcal/current events commentary, which I did for two years on Talk Radio and five years on another site called Stumpy's Corner.  Thursday's article was an experiment to see if there was real interest in doing so.  The results as of 8:30PM on July 5th is (so far) 77 e-mails; 73 FOR returning, 2 against, and 2 which I could not decypher because they were so poorly written.   I DO NOT intend to return full time to political/current events writing, but the results of the July 2nd article seem to indicate that there is a desire for it from time to time.  We'll see.  And remember, it is your Constituional Right to create your own website and do as I do.   But politcs do not belong here.   Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74951	From: Doug Peck	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: 5-digit drawbars---Advertisement

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74952	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

I use Google Crome browser On Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:53 PM, "carl@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I had a similar issue.   Yahoo did some updates.   Try going to the Yahoo.com web site and then going to groups to see if you can get in that way. That’s the way I got mine to work.   Carl   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 3:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer     Hi all, I cannot get to any Yahoo Groups on my computer, Firefox, after a period of time sends me a message that the connection will likely never connect. I've tried all different ways to get there, but no luck. I am on dial-up--did Yahoo do something to make dial-up connections impossible?? Thanks David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74953	From: reujan2000	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74954	From: reujan2000	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74955	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Albions Software: Ship It!

I have a series of questions on how to properly configure Albion Software's Shop It! operating program. Is there anyone in the group who can help me with questions about the proper way to set it up?   I have the manual, but it doesn't quite explain -- or I just do not understand -- the significance of staging areas and interchanges, among other things, to successfully using the software.   Joe Santoro

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74956	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/6/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 6, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74957	From: James	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

I don't use Chome very often but I have it set for Yahoo's home page. Has a link for groups on the page. Jim On 7/5/2014 10:28 PM, JFrederick Roberts jfred436@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I use Google Crome browser On Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:53 PM, "carl@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I had a similar issue.   Yahoo did some updates.   Try going to the Yahoo.com web site and then going to groups to see if you can get in that way. That’s the way I got mine to work.   Carl   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 3:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer     Hi all, I cannot get to any Yahoo Groups on my computer, Firefox, after a period of time sends me a message that the connection will likely never connect. I've tried all different ways to get there, but no luck. I am on dial-up--did Yahoo do something to make dial-up connections impossible?? Thanks David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74958	From: James	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

As you see I don't use it very often since I can't even spell it correctly. :-)  Jim On 7/6/2014 11:49 AM, James baldone@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I don't use Chome very often but I have it set for Yahoo's home page. Has a link for groups on the page. Jim On 7/5/2014 10:28 PM, JFrederick Roberts jfred436@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I use Google Crome browser On Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:53 PM, "carl@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I had a similar issue.   Yahoo did some updates.   Try going to the Yahoo.com web site and then going to groups to see if you can get in that way. That’s the way I got mine to work.   Carl   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 3:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer     Hi all, I cannot get to any Yahoo Groups on my computer, Firefox, after a period of time sends me a message that the connection will likely never connect. I've tried all different ways to get there, but no luck. I am on dial-up--did Yahoo do something to make dial-up connections impossible?? Thanks David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74959	From: tennsgauger	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Problem with SHS 55-ton covered hopper with Reindeer (Christmas car)

Has anyone had problems with a loose truck on one end of the SHS #01861 RB LO MEC cars?    I have two of these cars (#2408) with what appears to be identical problems.  The trucks are loose but just on one end of both cars.  At first I thought it was simply that the screw was not tightened.  But it appears there is something more serious because I cannot tighten the screws on either car.  Having two of these cars with the same problem, my guess is that this was a factory defect.  This is a nice car to operate at Christmas and I hope I can repair these.          -  Earl Henry,           Nashville,           Home of Vanderbilt Commodores College World Series Champions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74960	From: Ted Walton	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

I'm having the same problem also. If I'm in an email with an Yahoo Group link and click on it, I get the sane error message - can't get to the Yahoo Groups when using FIREFOX (I'm using WinXP and Verizon DSL) . If I change my default browser to Windows IE, it connects me to the Yahoo Group. If I past the Yahoo Group link into FIREFOX address bar I still can't get Firefox to take me to the Yahoo group page. All other links work - it appears to be a problem with Yahoo Groups. I have turned off my Virus protection program (AVAST), but still have the same problem. This has been going on for a week or 2. Ted At 04:27 AM 7/6/2014, you wrote: >Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer by traindavid > >Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer > > > >Sat Jul 5, 2014 12:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: > > > > ><mailto:djdewey@...?subject=Re%3A%20Yahooi%20Groups%20won%27t%20load%20on%20my%20computer>traindavid > > > > >Hi all, >I cannot get to any Yahoo Groups on my computer, Firefox, after a period >of time sends me a message that the connection will likely never connect. >I've tried all different ways to get there, but no luck. I am on >dial-up--did Yahoo do something to make dial-up connections impossible?? >Thanks >David D. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74961	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/6/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

Had the same problem. just turned the computer off for 5 minutes and everything was fine. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 19:15:32 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer   I'm having the same problem also. If I'm in an email with an Yahoo Group link and click on it, I get the sane error message - can't get to the Yahoo Groups when using FIREFOX (I'm using WinXP and Verizon DSL) . If I change my default browser to Windows IE, it connects me to the Yahoo Group. If I past the Yahoo Group link into FIREFOX address bar I still can't get Firefox to take me to the Yahoo group page. All other links work - it appears to be a problem with Yahoo Groups. I have turned off my Virus protection program (AVAST), but still have the same problem This has been going on for a week or 2. Ted At 04:27 AM 7/6/2014, you wrote: >Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer by traindavid > >Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer > > > >Sat Jul 5, 2014 12:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: > > > > ><mailto:djdewey@...?subject=Re%3A%20Yahooi%20Groups%20won%27t%20load%20on%20my%20computer>traindavid > > > > >Hi all, >I cannot get to any Yahoo Groups on my computer, Firefox, after a period >of time sends me a message that the connection will likely never connect. >I've tried all different ways to get there, but no luck. I am on >dial-up--did Yahoo do something to make dial-up connections impossible?? >Thanks >David D. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74962	From: herbw202	Date: 7/7/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

I've had no problem with firefox. Herb Wasserman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74963	From: racin510	Date: 7/7/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)

I was of the impression that Stumpy was asking for feedback from this forum as to whether or not his advertising his own forum here was acceptable, considering that it sometimes speaks to subjects that have nothing to do with trains. Personally I don't really care, but gathered some time ago that the forum owner does not like to stray from the intended subject at all.   I did read Stumpy's writing, got that he is pretty down on a spectrum of socio-political changes in our society, sent him some of my own personal take, but haven't gotten anything back, which is OK.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74964	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/7/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)

Still going through the e-mails, and thanks for your input.  It seems that there is huge interest in doing  something political/current events, maybe once a month in the future.  But I'm not going back to that full time.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74965	From: James	Date: 7/7/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

Try clearing your history and cookies. That some times does the trick. Jim On 7/6/2014 5:15 PM, Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I'm having the same problem also. If I'm in an email with an Yahoo Group link and click on it, I get the sane error message - can't get to the Yahoo Groups when using FIREFOX (I'm using WinXP and Verizon DSL) . If I change my default browser to Windows IE, it connects me to the Yahoo Group. If I past the Yahoo Group link into FIREFOX address bar I still can't get Firefox to take me to the Yahoo group page. All other links work - it appears to be a problem with Yahoo Groups. I have turned off my Virus protection program (AVAST), but still have the same problem. This has been going on for a week or 2. Ted At 04:27 AM 7/6/2014, you wrote: >Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer by traindavid > >Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer > > > >Sat Jul 5, 2014 12:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: > > > > ><mailto:djdewey@...?subject=Re%3A%20Yahooi%20Groups%20won%27t%20load%20on%20my%20computer>traindavid > > > > >Hi all, >I cannot get to any Yahoo Groups on my computer, Firefox, after a period >of time sends me a message that the connection will likely never connect. >I've tried all different ways to get there, but no luck. I am on >dial-up--did Yahoo do something to make dial-up connections impossible?? >Thanks >David D. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74966	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Flyer 970 Walking Brakeman Boxcar C-5

Couplers and brakeman mechanism work well. Brakeman and carrier are reproductions; the rest is original. Seaboard stickers are faded. Painted lettering is strong. One end of catwalk is broken. Scattered small nicks, scratches, and playwear paint loss on high spots. No rust. Solid operator car. No box or paperwork. Pictures available on request. Greenberg lists it at $48 in C-5 condition and $96 in C-7. TM Guide lists it at $70 in C-7. I figure $50 is a reasonable assessment of book value adjusted for condition. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74967	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert Flyer 970 Walking Brakeman Boxcar C-5

to be honest I prefer the link couplers.  Was there ever a 670? On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:17 AM, "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Couplers and brakeman mechanism work well. Brakeman and carrier are reproductions; the rest is original. Seaboard stickers are faded. Painted lettering is strong. One end of catwalk is broken. Scattered small nicks, scratches, and playwear paint loss on high spots. No rust. Solid operator car. No box or paperwork. Pictures available on request. Greenberg lists it at $48 in C-5 condition and $96 in C-7. TM Guide lists it at $70 in C-7. I figure $50 is a reasonable assessment of book value adjusted for condition. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74968	From: wyoaf	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: 343 Tender Knuckle opens unexpectedly

While operating my 6 x 10 layout for the grandkids last week, my 343 engine & tender "ran away" several times from the train it was hauling, when the coupler knuckle let go.  I used needle nose pliers to slightly elevate the coupler, in case it was inadvertently hitting switch frogs, but I've lost confidence in the coupler.  It is a Gilbert factory installed coupler, and I'd like a remedy short of change-out if a Group member has a tip or technique.  Thanks,   John Davis Noblesville IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74969	From: trndad	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: MTH S-Trax a perfect match to my SHS track

I haven't seen any posts regarding the new S-Trax track items from MTH, so I thought I would comment. I received the first part of my order a few weeks ago that was placed through our club (Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers). It was a 6-pack of 15" straights, and while the packaging is different from the SHS version (it is carded rather than boxed), the track is identical to what I already have. The finish on the roadbed is a perfect match, and they obviously used the same molds as it has SHS molded into the underside. I paid a hair over $31 for it, which sure beats the crazy prices folks are getting for the same SHS era track on eBay. I see that Sidetrack Hobbies (www.sidetracks.net) has theirs on sale for close to that, with switches for $59.95. I don't have a layout yet, but I have been stocking up on SHS S-Trax for some time now in anticipation of starting construction soon. I was really concerned when SHS went under that I had made the wrong choice and would be relegated to buying from the secondary market to get more if needed. But MTH has come through. I for one am very pleased!   Dean Hall (trndad)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74970	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Knuckle opens unexpectedly

Simple quick fix is to take a black tie wrap and wind it around the coupler shank (between the weight and the bottom of the coupler) and trim off the excess wrap. Nothing is altered and the coupler on whatever car that is connected to the tender will work. - John Marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74971	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: MTH S-Trax a perfect match to my SHS track

I agree: the new MHT S-Trax matches perfectly with the S Helper track  and works very nicely.   Joe Santoro   In a message dated 7/8/2014 3:40:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I haven't seen any posts regarding the new S-Trax track items from MTH, so I thought I would comment. I received the first part of my order a few weeks ago that was placed through our club (Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers). It was a 6-pack of 15" straights, and while the packaging is different from the SHS version (it is carded rather than boxed), the track is identical to what I already have. The finish on the roadbed is a perfect match, and they obviously used the same molds as it has SHS molded into the underside. I paid a hair over $31 for it, which sure beats the crazy prices folks are getting for the same SHS era track on eBay. I see that Sidetrack Hobbies (www.sidetracks.net) has theirs on sale for close to that, with switches for $59.95. I don't have a layout yet, but I have been stocking up on SHS S-Trax for some time now in anticipation of starting construction soon. I was really concerned when SHS went under that I had made the wrong choice and would be relegated to buying from the secondary market to get more if needed. But MTH has come through. I for one am very pleased!   Dean Hall (trndad)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74972	From: trndad	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Knuckle opens unexpectedly

Our club uses a small piece of black pipe cleaner attached the same way but easier to get off when needed.   Dean (Trndad)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74973	From: Herb and Bev Lanier	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: 343 Tender Knuckle opens unexpectedly

I put a small glob of Elmer’s glue in the open slit on top of the coupler, letting it dry overnight. This keeps the coupler weight from rising and uncoupling the couplers. It dries clear, and if you want to remove it you can easily pick it out of the slit, as Elmer’s does not bond with the plastic.   From: mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 1:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 343 Tender Knuckle opens unexpectedly     While operating my 6 x 10 layout for the grandkids last week, my 343 engine & tender "ran away" several times from the train it was hauling, when the coupler knuckle let go.  I used needle nose pliers to slightly elevate the coupler, in case it was inadvertently hitting switch frogs, but I've lost confidence in the coupler.  It is a Gilbert factory installed coupler, and I'd like a remedy short of change-out if a Group member has a tip or technique.  Thanks,   John Davis Noblesville IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74974	From: Ted Walton	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

When I turned my computer on around 3PM today ( Tuesday 7/8 ) I was able to connect to the Yahoo Groups using my Firefox browser. Previously, I tried some of the suggestions posted here and elsewhere with out success. This was a real problem and why many of you did not recognize or experience it - I don't know. Two days ago I contacted both Yahoo and Firefox ( as had others having this problem) and requested they take care of it. Who was responsible for the issue, I don't know (from pass experience I have an idea). But some one did move on it and corrected the problem. Ted Walton At 04:38 AM 7/8/2014, you wrote: > >Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer > > > >Mon Jul 7, 2014 7:45 am (PDT) . Posted by: > > > ><mailto:baldone@...?subject=Re%3A%20Yahooi%20Groups%20won%27t%20load%20on%20my%20computer>James" >jbaldyone > > > >Try clearing your history and cookies. That some times does the trick. Jim >On 7/6/2014 5:15 PM, Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains] wrote: > > > > I'm having the same problem also. If I'm in an email with an Yahoo > > Group link and click on it, I get the sane error message - can't get > > to the Yahoo Groups when using FIREFOX (I'm using WinXP and Verizon > > DSL) . If I change my default browser to Windows IE, it connects me > > to the Yahoo Group. If I past the Yahoo Group link into FIREFOX > > address bar I still can't get Firefox to take me to the Yahoo group > > page. All other links work - it appears to be a problem with Yahoo > > Groups. I have turned off my Virus protection program (AVAST), but > > still have the same problem. This has been going on for a week or 2. > > > > Ted > > > > At 04:27 AM 7/6/2014, you wrote: > > >Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer by traindavid > > > >Sat Jul 5, 2014 12:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by: > > > >Hi all, > > >I cannot get to any Yahoo Groups on my computer, Firefox, after a period > > >of time sends me a message that the connection will likely never connect. > > >I've tried all different ways to get there, but no luck. I am on > > >dial-up--did Yahoo do something to make dial-up connections impossible?? > > >Thanks > > >David D. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74975	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

One key fact is that you turned your computer on. It may well be that there is a resource leak of some sort in the software on your computer - OS or browser. Those things happen all the time. Problems on a web site can aggravate such an issue. One solution is to turn the thing off every day. In some cases, kill a program and start it again. That sort of bug is hard to test for, hard to find, hard to fix and easy to create. It is one of the reasons tech support for anything with software or firmware (like cable boxes) start by having us cycle the power. Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/8/2014 7:28 PM, Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains] wrote: > When I turned my computer on around 3PM today ( Tuesday 7/8 ) I was > able to connect to the Yahoo Groups using my Firefox browser. > Previously, I tried some of the suggestions posted here and elsewhere > with out success. This was a real problem and why many of you did not > recognize or experience it - I don't know. Two days ago I contacted > both Yahoo and Firefox ( as had others having this problem) and > requested they take care of it. Who was responsible for the issue, I > don't know (from pass experience I have an idea). But some one did > move on it and corrected the problem. > > > Ted Walton >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74976	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: Problem with SHS 55-ton covered hopper with Reindeer (Christmas

Earl,  I have one of these cars and just checked it.  My trucks are just fine so fortunately I escaped the problem you described.  So if it is a factory defect, at least it is not a universal one that occurred on everyone of these cars!  I'm sorry that you have it on both of your cars!  I agree that these are nice cars.  Tom Detmer On 7/6/2014 3:30 PM, tennsgauge@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Has anyone had problems with a loose truck on one end of the SHS #01861 RB LO MEC cars?    I have two of these cars (#2408) with what appears to be identical problems.  The trucks are loose but just on one end of both cars.  At first I thought it was simply that the screw was not tightened.  But it appears there is something more serious because I cannot tighten the screws on either car.  Having two of these cars with the same problem, my guess is that this was a factory defect.  This is a nice car to operate at Christmas and I hope I can repair these.          -  Earl Henry,           Nashville,           Home of Vanderbilt Commodores College World Series Champions

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74977	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: For sale: American Models Cotton Belt GP35

New in the original box. Decals, railings, windows, etc. are in the original plastic bags, not yet installed on the engine. It is an AC highrail engine with Gilbert compatible couplers. Greenberg lists it at $210. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74978	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert Flyer 970 Walking Brakeman Boxcar C-5

Yes, there is a 670, but it's a track trip not a walking brakeman. No, they never made a walking brakeman with link couplers. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:20 AM, "mike rosz mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   to be honest I prefer the link couplers.  Was there ever a 670? On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:17 AM, "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Couplers and brakeman mechanism work well. Brakeman and carrier are reproductions; the rest is original. Seaboard stickers are faded. Painted lettering is strong. One end of catwalk is broken. Scattered small nicks, scratches, and playwear paint loss on high spots. No rust. Solid operator car. No box or paperwork. Pictures available on request. Greenberg lists it at $48 in C-5 condition and $96 in C-7. TM Guide lists it at $70 in C-7. I figure $50 is a reasonable assessment of book value adjusted for condition. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74979	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 7/8/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: Gilbert Flyer 970 Walking Brakeman Boxcar C-5

well, you could always replace the knuckles, with links, not that hard to do mel perry On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:41 PM, The Upstairs Train theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Yes, there is a 670, but it's a track trip not a walking brakeman. No, they never made a walking brakeman with link couplers. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:20 AM, "mike rosz mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   to be honest I prefer the link couplers.  Was there ever a 670? On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:17 AM, "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Couplers and brakeman mechanism work well. Brakeman and carrier are reproductions; the rest is original. Seaboard stickers are faded. Painted lettering is strong. One end of catwalk is broken. Scattered small nicks, scratches, and playwear paint loss on high spots. No rust. Solid operator car. No box or paperwork. Pictures available on request. Greenberg lists it at $48 in C-5 condition and $96 in C-7. TM Guide lists it at $70 in C-7. I figure $50 is a reasonable assessment of book value adjusted for condition. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74980	From: Ted Walton	Date: 7/9/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

Bill. That was not the problem. Not connecting to the Yahoo Groups with Firefox in my case had been going on for at lease one week and at most two. I always turn off my computer at least once a day, and many time more often; and my standard procedure is to reboot the computer when mystery problems arise, Further, two many other people from other areas were having this problem. I believe it was due to an upgrade by Firefox or Yahoo (many have had this problem with Yahoo's new NEO upgrades - but strangely I have not). It is well known that many software upgrades cause problems and I believe this is what happen in my case and was corrected by one of the "upgraders" Ted At 04:22 AM 7/9/2014, you wrote: > ><mailto:wpporter@...?subject=Re%3A%20Yahooi%20Groups%20won%27t%20load%20on%20my%20computer>"Bill >Porter" elgreatzot > > > >One key fact is that you turned your computer on. It may well be that >there is a resource leak of some sort in the software on your computer - >OS or browser. Those things happen all the time. Problems on a web site >can aggravate such an issue. One solution is to turn the thing off every >day. In some cases, kill a program and start it again. That sort of bug >is hard to test for, hard to find, hard to fix and easy to create. It is >one of the reasons tech support for anything with software or firmware >(like cable boxes) start by having us cycle the power. > >Bill Porter >The Acreage - Florida > >On 7/8/2014 7:28 PM, Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains] wrote: > > When I turned my computer on around 3PM today ( Tuesday 7/8 ) I was > > able to connect to the Yahoo Groups using my Firefox browser. > > Previously, I tried some of the suggestions posted here and elsewhere > > with out success. This was a real problem and why many of you did not > > recognize or experience it - I don't know. Two days ago I contacted > > both Yahoo and Firefox ( as had others having this problem) and > > requested they take care of it. Who was responsible for the issue, I > > don't know (from pass experience I have an idea). But some one did > > move on it and corrected the problem. > > > > > > Ted Walton --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74981	From: Bill Lane	Date: 7/9/2014
Subject: a Tribute to Frank Titman

This is a new clip I just uploaded. It is a tribute to Frank Titman and his life as a prolific S Scale modeler and Reading Railroad fan. Please give it a look http://youtu.be/SyMopT7i53A   Frank is still with us but has moved on to his next chapter of life without model railroading.   The balance of Frank’s rolling stock was recently purchased. Some of it was here yesterday for a visit. Some of it went back to the new home road and luckily, some of it is staying here!   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74982	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/9/2014
Subject: Re: Yahooi Groups won't load on my computer

Rats! I thought I had a clue. Often times there is a situation like the Discovered Check in Chess. Two bugs exist and one masks the other. When one is fixed, the other one is expressed. So, it often looks like an update caused a problem when in reality, the problem was already there but hidden by another bug. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/9/2014 1:59 PM, Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains] wrote: > Bill. > That was not the problem. Not connecting to the Yahoo Groups with > Firefox in my case had been going on for at lease one week and at > most two. I always turn off my computer at least once a day, and many > time more often; and my standard procedure is to reboot the computer > when mystery problems arise, Further, two many other people from > other areas were having this problem. I believe it was due to an > upgrade by Firefox or Yahoo (many have had this problem with Yahoo's > new NEO upgrades - but strangely I have not). It is well known that > many software upgrades cause problems and I believe this is what > happen in my case and was corrected by one of the "upgraders" > > > Ted > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74983	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/10/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE is On Topic again!

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  the story is "Survival of the Smallest."   If you'd have asked anyone at a Class One railroad in 1935 which steam locomotives would still be working thirty years hense, the answer would have been; "the biggest and newest."  But as we saw, this was rarely the case when the diesel unseated the steam engine as prime power on the railroads.   Today we look back at how locomotive development made less technologically advanced and less powerful steamers to survive in the end.   Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74984	From: t_martin5qyd	Date: 7/10/2014
Subject: LBR ENTERPRISES

I know LBR ENTERPRISES advertises on this site and posts quite regularly.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   He is not allowed to post his business related items here anymore. He has had too many unresolved complaints   The Moderators

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74985	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/10/2014
Subject: For sale: 36 years of S Gaugian magazines

One of my clients has 144 S Gaugians available, almost every issue back to 1985, plus 18 more issues between 1977 and 1984. They're in very good condition, not new, but not torn or water soaked. He's asking two dollars per issue, but is open to all offers, especially in quantity. Make me an offer on whatever you want - one, a few, a lot, or all of them. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74986	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 7/12/2014
Subject:

To whom it may concern,   do you know where I might find any Des Plaines S-scale bulktainers for their, or others', S-gauge intermodal well-cars ??   Sincerely,   Ron Warner 1425  7th Street Shallowater, TX  79363-5105   NASG, TTOS, & TCA .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74987	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/12/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/13/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 13, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74988	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/13/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/13/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 13, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74989	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 7/13/2014
Subject: American Models D & H Alco PA

Wish to purchase an American Models Alco PA. Scale or High Rail. I realize very few of these were produced but electronics aside, they are a better reproduction than the new Lionel D & H alcos with the old gilbert style front pilot

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74990	From: scaler164	Date: 7/13/2014
Subject: SHS Screwy Screws :)

Groups,   HELP!!!   I am looking for a source for ORIGINAL SHS draft gear box mounting screws.  A number of models I recently bought did not come with any - they had the AF-style couplers and wheels installed, and there were packs with code 110 wheels with the models, but there were no screws in the pack with the code 110 wheels!   Of the models I bought, three were GSC Flat Cars, two were 2-Bay PS-2 Hoppers, two were Bulkhead Flats, two were 3-Bay PS-2 hoppers... and I have a few more 2-Bay PS-2 Hoppers on the way which might also be missing the screws.   I can't say for sure, but I believe there was more than one size or type of screw used on SHS models... if memory serves me right one was longer than the other... but I don't recall if the thread pattern was different.  Maybe Don or someone else can expound on this a bit more?   I could use quite a few of each type of these, so name your price.   Thanks.     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74991	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 7/13/2014
Subject: Announcement: New e-Book

Attachments : Commuter Ops Book Cover.jpg Good evening.  I'm proud to announce that my first book, "Commuter Operations for Model Railroads", will go on sale Monday morning. It's the first model railroad book ever devoted exclusively to modeling commuter operations.     Please visit http://www.rlnpublishing.com/e-books.html to read the Introduction and to order.  The book is produced electronically, in PDF format.  Best Regards, Bob Nalbone RLN Publishing

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 74992	From: Frank	Date: 7/13/2014
Subject: Re: American Models D & H Alco PA

Call AM. He still might have index or NYCSystem Alcos.  Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2014, at 9:38 PM, "rwmres@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Wish to purchase an American Models Alco PA. Scale or High Rail. I realize very few of these were produced but electronics aside, they are a better reproduction than the new Lionel D & H alcos with the old gilbert style front pilot

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74993	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 7/14/2014
Subject: Re: American Models D & H Alco PA

Index should be undec. Spell ck, Lol  Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2014, at 10:56 PM, "Frank femiro2002@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Call AM. He still might have index or NYCSystem Alcos.  Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2014, at 9:38 PM, "rwmres@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Wish to purchase an American Models Alco PA. Scale or High Rail. I realize very few of these were produced but electronics aside, they are a better reproduction than the new Lionel D & H alcos with the old gilbert style front pilot

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74994	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/14/2014
Subject: For Sale: four Pacific Rail Shops boxcar kits NIB

All are beautifully detailed kits, unassembled, mint in the original box with high-rail wheels and Gilbert-compatible couplers. #1037 Burlington The other three are convention cars from the first S-West Convention, bearing three different road numbers. They are the aluminum-colored cars with large orange feather delivered to Western Pacific in 1951. The road numbers are 20801, 20806, and 21815. Make offer for any one or more. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74995	From: snstrains	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: four Pacific Rail Shops boxcar kits NIB

$75 for all 4   In a message dated 7/14/2014 8:46:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   All are beautifully detailed kits, unassembled, mint in the original box with high-rail wheels and Gilbert-compatible couplers. #1037 Burlington The other three are convention cars from the first S-West Convention, bearing three different road numbers. They are the aluminum-colored cars with large orange feather delivered to Western Pacific in 1951. The road numbers are 20801, 20806, and 21815. Make offer for any one or more. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74996	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: River Raisin B&O 0-6-0 for sale

Group, I have a RR B&O USRA 0-6-0 FOR SALE, #359 painted and lettered with the Standard USRA Tender. It has only been out of the box to test it. Asking $1250 which included shipping and full insurance coverage. Please contact me off-list at edsauers@...  if interested. Thanks Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74997	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: For sale: Lionel Flyer Freight cars

For reference purposes, I show book values from the 2012 TM Guide and 2013 Greenberg Guide. These are not firm, fixed prices; make offer. 9100 Gulf tank car C-9/C-10 TM Guide $53 Greenburg $57 Four 9101 Union Oil tank cars C-9/C-10 TM Guide $35 Greenburg $35 each 9206 New York Central covered Hopper C-9/C-10 TM Guide $30 Greenburg $29 9300 Burlington gondola C-9/C-10 TM Guide $20 Greenburg $25 9405 Santa Fe bay window caboose C-9/C-10 TM Guide $35 Greenburg $38 9405 Santa Fe bay window caboose C-8 lightly run TM Guide $31.50 Greenburg $34 Three 9701 Rock boxcars C-9/C-10 TM Guide $35 Greenburg $31 each 9702 B&O boxcar C-8 lightly run TM Guide $36 Greenburg $47 48705 Pennsylvania caboose C-8 lightly run TM Guide $36 Greenburg $42 Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74998	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: Magnetic Crane Exploded View?

Anyone know where I might find an exploded view for the AF electromagnetic crane?  I have several good color photos but not a view that shows the proper placement/sequence for all the washers/spacers attaching the crane to the base.   Thanks, Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 74999	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: NASG Convention and Web Site

With the NASG convention starting next week, I wanted to share with you some links on the NASG web site that you might like have. First the convention's page is on the NASG web site itself, which you can see here: http://www.nasg.org/Convention/2014/index.htm That page has the absolute latest information on it. I just updated it with some open house/layout tours changes. It also includes a photo of this year's convention car, the first by M.T.H. If you are looking for the contest-related documents, you can find them on this page: http://www.nasg.org/Site/index.htm#docs They are under the "NASG - Conventions" heading. The 2014 NASG Commemorative Car is almost sold out. Dave Blum will be bringing the remaining inventory to the convention, and expects them to sell out there. If you want one now or pick it up at the convention, contact Dave. All information about the car is available on this page: http://www.nasg.org/Store/index.htm#af If you are going and you want to get psyched-up, you can always review past conventions as well: http://www.nasg.org/Events/index.htm#past I hope all that go have a great time. Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it this year. Enjoy, - Peter. (NASG webmaster) -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/ My business site: http://fourthray.com/ Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/ NASG site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75000	From: canambob91710k	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: four Pacific Rail Shops boxcar kits NIB

If they are still available I will offer $100 for all 4   Bob Hendrickson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75001	From: mikenguy9	Date: 7/15/2014
Subject: 1946 track for unloading

how is this hooked up?  the track has 2 yes two knurled nuts.  not sure how to do it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75002	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/16/2014
Subject: Re: 1946 track for unloading

Hi if you are talking about a between rail pick up one wire to transformer base post other wire to control button than to 15v post this type of car draws it power from the center rails most of other cars have shoe sticking out to pick op power from track trip and draw power from rail good luck stan Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID "mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   how is this hooked up?  the track has 2 yes two knurled nuts.  not sure how to do it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75003	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 7/17/2014
Subject: Re: For Sale: four Pacific Rail Shops boxcar kits NIB

what kits are they?     -----Original Message----- From: canambob91710k@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 15, 2014 7:38 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: For Sale: four Pacific Rail Shops boxcar kits NIB   If they are still available I will offer $100 for all 4   Bob Hendrickson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75004	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/17/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE "TCR: Back to the future?" (off topic)

Not only do I work with old toy trains, but old model cars as well.  Some months ago I "rediscovered" a form of model car racing which I thought was long dead; "slotless" racing. This is slot cars without a slot that can change lanes a will.  Get the whole story at http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com . Please excuse this late posting, but once again Yahoo is acting weird and I hope I've worked around it. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75005	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/17/2014
Subject: Re:

 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Warner, Ronald' ronald.warner@... [S-Trains] . . . do you know where I might find any Des Plaines S-scale bulktainers > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good question.  Since modern intermodal modelling is not big in S, we were lucky to have them when we did.  I presume you tried DPH and they're out. < < < < < < < < < < < < <  for their, or others', S-gauge intermodal well-cars ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > What well cars are there other than DPH?  Maybe the kits S Scale America (Larry Jackman) made that DPH cars are based on.  Other than that, are there any?   There was another 20-foot bulk or tank container of a different style, die-cast, that as far as I know, was only available on a chassis with a tractor.  An expensive way to get container.  It came in two paint-schemes that I know of.  The first was Harley Davidson motorcycle oil, a total foobie I suspect.  I forget the name that was on the second, but google found the real company, in Texas I think.   If you find any more info, let us know.   Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75006	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/19/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/20/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75007	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/20/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/20/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 20, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75008	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 7/23/2014
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} Don Thompson - Not Well

Begin forwarded message: From: "John Prior shsjohn@... [S-Scale]" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: July 23, 2014 9:08:02 PM PDT To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: {S-Scale List} Don Thompson - Not Well Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com   Robin Thompson has asked that I notify the S Scale group that Don, after a hip replacement last week, has contracted pneumonia whilst at a rehab centre. He is now back in hospital and though depressed, is Ok. I, if not Don (when he can reach the iPad), will keep you updated. Robin, what with Dons illness and trying to close on a condo, is somewhat busy and may not respond to emails directly. Please join with me and wish Don a speedy recovery. Regards John Prior Swindon, England Ps. I'm not on the deep flange group (S List?). Can someone forward to them please. Pps. Don't all buy up the Fowler boxcars - please leave some for us Brits.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75009	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 7/23/2014
Subject: Fwd: {S-Scale List} Don Thompson - Not Well

Begin forwarded message: From: "John Prior shsjohn@... [S-Scale]" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: July 23, 2014 9:08:02 PM PDT To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: {S-Scale List} Don Thompson - Not Well Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com   Robin Thompson has asked that I notify the S Scale group that Don, after a hip replacement last week, has contracted pneumonia whilst at a rehab centre. He is now back in hospital and though depressed, is Ok. I, if not Don (when he can reach the iPad), will keep you updated. Robin, what with Dons illness and trying to close on a condo, is somewhat busy and may not respond to emails directly. Please join with me and wish Don a speedy recovery. Regards John Prior Swindon, England Ps. I'm not on the deep flange group (S List?). Can someone forward to them please. Pps. Don't all buy up the Fowler boxcars - please leave some for us Brits.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75010	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  we're off the train topic again, this time looking at the recent information on Ethanol fuels' effect on your car and the environment.   After a recent, many year study, even the EPA and Federal Trade Commission are backing off, just as the E15 regulations are scheduled to begin. This is on page 3 at STUMPY'S MACHINE and is called "Alcohol: Drink it or drive it?" Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75011	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2014
Subject: Don Thompson-not well

I can't find anything besides the subject header when I go to these messages, could someone please tell what's going on.  That Don is having some sort of problem is bad news, he's a "good guy" in S gauge. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75012	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 7/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fwd: {S-Scale List} Don Thompson - Not Well

Hi Don: Speedy recovery!  Know you will do it!  regards (and regards to Robin who has lots on her plate) Rance Velapoldi  (tranby, Norway) On 7/24/2014 06:11, 'clipper841@...' clipper841@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Begin forwarded message: From: "John Prior shsjohn@... [S-Scale]" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: July 23, 2014 9:08:02 PM PDT To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: {S-Scale List} Don Thompson - Not Well Reply-To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com   Robin Thompson has asked that I notify the S Scale group that Don, after a hip replacement last week, has contracted pneumonia whilst at a rehab centre. He is now back in hospital and though depressed, is Ok. I, if not Don (when he can reach the iPad), will keep you updated. Robin, what with Dons illness and trying to close on a condo, is somewhat busy and may not respond to emails directly. Please join with me and wish Don a speedy recovery. Regards John Prior Swindon, England Ps. I'm not on the deep flange group (S List?). Can someone forward to them please. Pps. Don't all buy up the Fowler boxcars - please leave some for us Brits. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75013	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/24/2014
Subject: Re: Don Thompson-not well

From another email, Don had a hip replacement, and then got pneumonia. He is in hospital.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Don Thompson-not well     I can't find anything besides the subject header when I go to these messages, could someone please tell what's going on.  That Don is having some sort of problem is bad news, he's a "good guy" in S gauge.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75014	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2014
Subject: on Thompson-not well

Thanks to all the people who e-mailed me to update Don's situation.  He had hip surgery and while recovering from that contracted pneumonia.  Unfortunately, such complications during recovery are not uncommon.  He's back in the hospital for treatment of that now and not too happy about it.  (Been there, done that, I wasn't too happy either!) I'm sure all of us extend our best wishes and prayers to Don and Robin in this trying time. Stumpy Stone in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75015	From: lx5043	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: Classic Toy Trains Magazine

I just received my September 2014 issue of "Classic Toy Trains Magazine" which clearly states on the front cover "O and S gauge for the operator and collector". Just to let everyone know, in case you see it on the news stand, there is not one article or photo I can find in the magazine that is "S" gauge related. It seems they have completely abandoned the "S" gauge hobbiest. I wish there was a magazine devoted to "S' gauge.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75016	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine

I agree with John’s comment.  Very disappointed in no S-Gauge articles.  Not even in the problem and answer section near the front.  A couple of “S” photos in the layout section at best.  Lionel also makes American Flyer “S” as well as “O”.  I enjoy my S-Gaugian and NASG Dispatch magazines.       From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 8:49 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine     I just received my September 2014 issue of "Classic Toy Trains Magazine" which clearly states on the front cover "O and S gauge for the operator and collector". Just to let everyone know, in case you see it on the news stand, there is not one article or photo I can find in the magazine that is "S" gauge related. It seems they have completely abandoned the "S" gauge hobbiest. I wish there was a magazine devoted to "S' gauge.   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75017	From: yorktown26	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: CTT Sept issue

There is a photo of Al Marotta's   S layout on page 11. His layout is real as I have been there, Dennis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75018	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine

I have also complained about this, it seems to be almost all about Lionel are standard gauge, agreed where a small segment but were still here, where not step children are we?  Dont expect full mag. coverage but a section of couple pages would be nice, Lionel and MTH have both made improvements to s gauge but not this mag. On Friday, July 25, 2014 2:57 PM, "'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I agree with John’s comment.  Very disappointed in no S-Gauge articles.  Not even in the problem and answer section near the front.  A couple of “S” photos in the layout section at best.  Lionel also makes American Flyer “S” as well as “O”.  I enjoy my S-Gaugian and NASG Dispatch magazines.       From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 8:49 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine     I just received my September 2014 issue of "Classic Toy Trains Magazine" which clearly states on the front cover "O and S gauge for the operator and collector". Just to let everyone know, in case you see it on the news stand, there is not one article or photo I can find in the magazine that is "S" gauge related. It seems they have completely abandoned the "S" gauge hobbiest. I wish there was a magazine devoted to "S' gauge.   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75019	From: beebear	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine

I haven’t seen the magazine myself but you do realize that someone has to write articles about S  to be published. Let’s face it …. We are just a small slice of the model railroad market and even though the product is getting better, so is the price.   I was at the show in Cleveland last weekend and sure there was S for sale but it was the older stuff and was going for almost new prices in my opinion. I would say that 60% - 70% of the stuff there was geared to HO. Even the layouts there were mostly HO. The younger generation and families in general don’t have room for larger layouts.  If they can buy an entire HO layout for the price on one S gauge engine Why choose S ? I have had  AF ever since I was a kid that my dad bought and still have most of it. Right now my son, who is 31 is more into his smart phone and video games than the HO starter set he bought 5 years ago.   I subscribed to MR for a year to see if there was anything worth reading about. I found that about 75%-80% of the magazine was advertisements. I do understand that’s how magazines stay in business . Sure there was some S ads in there but no articles for S. When I let my subscription run out, I got all kinds of offers to renew. I got an email from the head of publishing asking why I didn’t renew. No S gauge articles I said.  I never heard another word from them.   For those complaining about no S gauge articles, why not write something? Tell us how you built your layout the way you did or some new way to do scenery. From some of the forums I have visited, there are lots of people wanting to start a layout, looking for that spark of an idea to get them started. I found my spark this year and have started to build. With some help from one of the guys in the club I joined, I now have the first level bench work built ready to start laying track.    My point of all this is, for us to have articles to read, SOMEONE has to write about something in S that others want to read. I have a couple articles in the works as soon as I get the bugs worked out, that may be worth publishing.   It would be great if we could start an online FREE magazine like Model Railroad Hobbyist for S gauge.  Stumpy has written several great articles on scratch building and other interesting railroad stuff.  We are always seeing people on here asking for advice on how to fix this or where to get parts for that.  I think we have a vast collection of knowledgeable people here that could put something together with a little time and effort. Nothing fancy, just simple  step-by-step with maybe a few pictures thrown in.  If it could be for online, you don’t have to worry about all the special formatting needed for publishing.   In the end….. the only people that are going to write S gauge articles are people who own S gauge trains.   So maybe the admins here on S-Trains can create a folder for uploading articles and we can start writing and creating our own S Gauge online magazine. Just a thought.   John Frankforther     ,_._,___ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75020	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine

I live in a metropolitan area of 2 million+ and there are scant few S layouts. I shoot and write for local, regional and national magazines, and if I could drum up an S story or two, I would be all over it. TT has told me more than once “If someone would submit an article with good photos we would love to use it. But very few do.” Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:04:10 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine            I haven’t seen the magazine myself but you do realize that someone has to write articles about S  to be published. Let’s face it …. We are just a small slice of the model railroad market and even though the product is getting better, so is the price.   I was at the show in Cleveland last weekend and sure there was S for sale but it was the older stuff and was going for almost new prices in my opinion. I would say that 60% - 70% of the stuff there was geared to HO. Even the layouts there were mostly HO. The younger generation and families in general don’t have room for larger layouts.  If they can buy an entire HO layout for the price on one S gauge engine Why choose S ? I have had  AF ever since I was a kid that my dad bought and still have most of it. Right now my son, who is 31 is more into his smart phone and video games than the HO starter set he bought 5 years ago.    I subscribed to MR for a year to see if there was anything worth reading about. I found that about 75%-80% of the magazine was advertisements. I do understand that’s how magazines stay in business . Sure there was some S ads in there but no articles for S. When I let my subscription run out, I got all kinds of offers to renew. I got an email from the head of publishing asking why I didn’t renew. No S gauge articles I said.  I never heard another word from them.   For those complaining about no S gauge articles, why not write something? Tell us how you built your layout the way you did or some new way to do scenery. From some of the forums I have visited, there are lots of people wanting to start a layout, looking for that spark of an idea to get them started. I found my spark this year and have started to build. With some help from one of the guys in the club I joined, I now have the first level bench work built ready to start laying track.    My point of all this is, for us to have articles to read, SOMEONE has to write about something in S that others want to read. I have a couple articles in the works as soon as I get the bugs worked out, that may be worth publishing.   It would be great if we could start an online FREE magazine like Model Railroad Hobbyist for S gauge.  Stumpy has written several great articles on scratch building and other interesting railroad stuff.  We are always seeing people on here asking for advice on how to fix this or where to get parts for that.  I think we have a vast collection of knowledgeable people here that could put something together with a little time and effort. Nothing fancy, just simple  step-by-step with maybe a few pictures thrown in.  If it could be for online, you don’t have to worry about all the special formatting needed for publishing.   In the end….. the only people that are going to write S gauge articles are people who own S gauge trains.   So maybe the admins here on S-Trains can create a folder for uploading articles and we can start writing and creating our own S Gauge online magazine. Just a thought.   John Frankforther     ,_._,___ <http://www.avast.com/> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com/>  protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75021	From: beebear	Date: 7/25/2014
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine

From: clipper841@... [mailto:clipper841@...] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:44 PM To: johntech Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine   john: something like the old chain letters, pre s gauge herald?, might work this time around, as it appears, that there are enough "s" people on the web mel perry   On Jul 25, 2014, at 7:04 PM, 'beebear' beebear@... [S-Trains] wrote:     I haven’t seen the magazine myself but you do realize that someone has to write articles about S  to be published. Let’s face it …. We are just a small slice of the model railroad market and even though the product is getting better, so is the price.   I was at the show in Cleveland last weekend and sure there was S for sale but it was the older stuff and was going for almost new prices in my opinion. I would say that 60% - 70% of the stuff there was geared to HO. Even the layouts there were mostly HO. The younger generation and families in general don’t have room for larger layouts.  If they can buy an entire HO layout for the price on one S gauge engine Why choose S ? I have had  AF ever since I was a kid that my dad bought and still have most of it. Right now my son, who is 31 is more into his smart phone and video games than the HO starter set he bought 5 years ago.   I subscribed to MR for a year to see if there was anything worth reading about. I found that about 75%-80% of the magazine was advertisements. I do understand that’s how magazines stay in business . Sure there was some S ads in there but no articles for S. When I let my subscription run out, I got all kinds of offers to renew. I got an email from the head of publishing asking why I didn’t renew. No S gauge articles I said.  I never heard another word from them.   For those complaining about no S gauge articles, why not write something? Tell us how you built your layout the way you did or some new way to do scenery. From some of the forums I have visited, there are lots of people wanting to start a layout, looking for that spark of an idea to get them started. I found my spark this year and have started to build. With some help from one of the guys in the club I joined, I now have the first level bench work built ready to start laying track.    My point of all this is, for us to have articles to read, SOMEONE has to write about something in S that others want to read. I have a couple articles in the works as soon as I get the bugs worked out, that may be worth publishing.   It would be great if we could start an online FREE magazine like Model Railroad Hobbyist for S gauge.  Stumpy has written several great articles on scratch building and other interesting railroad stuff.  We are always seeing people on here asking for advice on how to fix this or where to get parts for that.  I think we have a vast collection of knowledgeable people here that could put something together with a little time and effort. Nothing fancy, just simple  step-by-step with maybe a few pictures thrown in.  If it could be for online, you don’t have to worry about all the special formatting needed for publishing.   In the end….. the only people that are going to write S gauge articles are people who own S gauge trains.   So maybe the admins here on S-Trains can create a folder for uploading articles and we can start writing and creating our own S Gauge online magazine. Just a thought.   John Frankforther     ,_._,___   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.       This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75022	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Classic Toy Trains magazine

It seems that for some people this is a "wake up" call that S gauge is a tiny fragment of the train hobby.  It's not even as popular now as it was in the fifties among the overall toy train hobby.   When you're in a minority, you're NOT going to get the coverage or attention you feel you deserve. If you want to read S only magazines, it has already been pointed out that the S Gaugian and the NASG Dispatch is the way to go.  Not much compared to Kalmbach Publishing, but that's life. HOWEVER, there is a great advantage to S gauge, which is that uniqueness and exclusivity of being a minority scale.  There is a far bigger chance that you'll know a larger percentage of the people working in S than any other gauge.  The Internet and e-mail are a huge boon to every scale, but most of all to the minority scales, and you'll know who to contact for information.  There is a far better chance to learn or teach things in a minority scale because it's small and closely nit. Maybe I see things all wrong for some folks, but after burning out on rivet counters in HO, then the rabid collectors in O three rail, I started looking into the less popular scales because I could avoid these types.  I became a "rubber gauger" and have tried every scale/gauge combination for this reason,  several more than once.  I was a pioneer in G scale in the early eighties, doing the first garden railway in the region.  During the same period I got into On30 before most folks knew what it was.  I returned to S gauge (for the third time) in 1999.  My best memories and friends in model railroading are folks from G, On30, and S today. Yeah, we're a small segment of a big hobby today, statistically smaller than On30 I'm told.  But that can be an advantage that the monster scales such as HO and O three rail no longer have, the closeness and comaradery that all model railroaders had way back in the fifties.  And at the end of the day in ANY hobby, it's the PEOPLE that count.  The object of the hobby is just the price of admission. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75023	From: beebear	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine

Well that may be one of the things holding people back, GOOD PHOTES. They may not have a $1000 camera to take pictures that magazines require or they think their tidbit of information may not be good enough to print.  I have pulled information out of articles from other magazines and converted over to what I can use. -------------- One example of this  is the rotary coal dumper I’m working on. There are no plans for anything in S for this. So I started searching the internet for photos of real rotary dumpers, I collected hundreds. I searched YouTube for videos on them. I finally started to draw MY version  in DraftSight, a  free cad program. After about 4 or 5 tries of milling it out  on my cnc machine I finally have one that is real close to what I want. Now the detail inner workings come next……..   When I was looking for layout plans, I would scan books, magazines, internet, train shows anywhere to find that perfect layout.  I was so focused on building that perfect magazine layout that  I lost all focus as to why I wanted a layout in the first place……….  So now that I have the benchwork built and just threw down some track and ran my train across the track for the first time in many years, Now I remembered why I wanted a layout……. -------------- As you can see from the two examples above, how easy it is  to sit down and start writing about something. I would probably include some photos I found on the internet, Making sure they weren’t copywrited of course,  and go from there. Include some pictures I took along the way.  Granted not everyone will be interested in your article but on the other hand you might spark an idea in someone’s head to start a layout or build something that you build and wrote about. I have had several people ask about my little switcher I made from a Baldwin engine and several have asked about my rotary coal  dumper.  Granted we aren’t all great modelers like Stumpy and others on here and we may not have the fancy tools to make stuff but we all can make things or do things for our layouts to make it work for us.   So grab a pencil and paper or sit down at the computer and start writing away. I am always looking for information on making my layout look and work better.  If we don’t join together and  write it, no one else will!!   John Frankforther     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine     I live in a metropolitan area of 2 million+ and there are scant few S layouts. I shoot and write for local, regional and national magazines, and if I could drum up an S story or two, I would be all over it. TT has told me more than once “If someone would submit an article with good photos we would love to use it. But very few do.” Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:04:10 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine            I haven’t seen the magazine myself but you do realize that someone has to write articles about S  to be published. Let’s face it …. We are just a small slice of the model railroad market and even though the product is getting better, so is the price.   I was at the show in Cleveland last weekend and sure there was S for sale but it was the older stuff and was going for almost new prices in my opinion. I would say that 60% - 70% of the stuff there was geared to HO. Even the layouts there were mostly HO. The younger generation and families in general don’t have room for larger layouts.  If they can buy an entire HO layout for the price on one S gauge engine Why choose S ? I have had  AF ever since I was a kid that my dad bought and still have most of it. Right now my son, who is 31 is more into his smart phone and video games than the HO starter set he bought 5 years ago.    I subscribed to MR for a year to see if there was anything worth reading about. I found that about 75%-80% of the magazine was advertisements. I do understand that’s how magazines stay in business . Sure there was some S ads in there but no articles for S. When I let my subscription run out, I got all kinds of offers to renew. I got an email from the head of publishing asking why I didn’t renew. No S gauge articles I said.  I never heard another word from them.   For those complaining about no S gauge articles, why not write something? Tell us how you built your layout the way you did or some new way to do scenery. From some of the forums I have visited, there are lots of people wanting to start a layout, looking for that spark of an idea to get them started. I found my spark this year and have started to build. With some help from one of the guys in the club I joined, I now have the first level bench work built ready to start laying track.    My point of all this is, for us to have articles to read, SOMEONE has to write about something in S that others want to read. I have a couple articles in the works as soon as I get the bugs worked out, that may be worth publishing.   It would be great if we could start an online FREE magazine like Model Railroad Hobbyist for S gauge.  Stumpy has written several great articles on scratch building and other interesting railroad stuff.  We are always seeing people on here asking for advice on how to fix this or where to get parts for that.  I think we have a vast collection of knowledgeable people here that could put something together with a little time and effort. Nothing fancy, just simple  step-by-step with maybe a few pictures thrown in.  If it could be for online, you don’t have to worry about all the special formatting needed for publishing.   In the end….. the only people that are going to write S gauge articles are people who own S gauge trains.   So maybe the admins here on S-Trains can create a folder for uploading articles and we can start writing and creating our own S Gauge online magazine. Just a thought.   John Frankforther     ,_._,___ <http://www.avast.com/> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com/>  protection is active.     This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75024	From: zemouse2001	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Classic Toy Trains magazine

Amen!!  Well said. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75025	From: alan smith	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: A true story for S gauge

To all: I'm sure there are lots stories like this out there. Back in the late forties or early 1950, when I was 8 /9 years old.   Christmas time was fast approaching. One day the local lumber yard brought some material - Redwood boards, some 1 X 2 , a sheet of plywood  and assorted hardware. That evening when Dad got home from his policeman duties he carried all the stuff  to the basement.   Of course, being a kid  "What U building Dad" was the normal thing one would expect me to ask.  The reply -- "You have to promise not to  tell Mom but we are going to make her something for Christmas".  So, we commenced to sawing and making the soon to be " redwood horses"  and building the 4 X 8.   I didn't understand what Mom was going to do with something this size but I never questioned Dad as we worked on the " Present " !  Everything was sawn by hand -- No power saws in those days or Dad didn't have them.  As Christmas Eve approached the horses were about finished when it was my bedtime.  Christmas Morning — When I entered the living room, thru the french doors that separated it from the rest of the house, there in the corner of the room, laying on the floor was  a 4 X 8  American Flyer train layout. One loop track around the perimeter of the board. It had a 312 S I T, a Shell tank car, Lehigh hopper car, a box car and a 630 caboose all powered by an 8 B transformer.  Needless to say I was surprised and a happy little boy. Dad had tricked me while he made some of the bench work.  He would have been forced to work late thru the night to finish it before morning.  A great surprise !  Thru the early years we added two switches an inner track and Plasticville houses, etc.  Dad passed away May 1, 1953.  I lost interest in the flyer and it finally got put in boxes.   As time passed , I married, the boxes of train stuff  went with me from fixer upper house to fixer upper house. It was put together once when my son was small, however Gilbert had bit the dust my then. It was put together on the attic floor just to show him what it looked like.  I had little hope of ever being able to put the flyer back together.  I bought him a H O and built a layout for that set.-  It was a poor excuse of a train set as it always needed repairs.  It got sold at a yard sale to get rid on a real pain in the neck . Jump ahead to 2009 - now retired and needed something to do.  Now the age of computers and ebay was alive and well - surprise-- surprise --surprise . - LOOK at all the flyer stuff that is out there.  Out came the stored boxes. Out came the tools, new back work and new life was given the Christmas present from all those many years ago.  Now three grandsons. The first layout was 6.6 X 11.0 . "Grandpa it's not big enough"  as the word from the boys. The layout then took on a life of its own.  The boys have lost interest but Grandpa was then on a roll.   Now 20 switches and 10 engines, lots of rolling stock, custom built cars. bashed items from the wounded world of old flyer items and much more.    Every time I look at the layout I think back to those days gone by.    A true story - Flyer forever !  Old Doc the Flyer guy in S. W. Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75026	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine

I have been a member of this group for a long time. I believe it has been about 12 years now.  This has been a whine for as many years as I have been on here. Almost everyone of us has something to say that we can write about or take pictures of but choose not to. Why? Because it is easier to play the poor poor pitiful me game than it is to get up out of our chair and do something.  If you want coverage, then promote your scale and your hobby.   Stop blaming the magazine. This is all your fault. Of all of you whining on here about the CTT not covering "S", how many of you have submitted articles or photos to Roger Carp who begs for them?   Roger Contacted me through my You Tube video and asked for picture of my Christmas Layout from 2000 that plays on You Tube. I took some pictures and sent to him and he replied back that they wanted some more details on my current layout, which is on You Tube also, and a little better quality picture. So I am working on this. I would put money on it that none of you are doing this much.  My challenge to this group is, " to put up , or shut up."  I can't stand whiners. I love spending time with people who do. That is why most of my time is spent on the Face Book S/ American Flyer/ S-helper groups. We do, we post, and we help each other out. Much the way this group was when Paul Yorke created it 15 years or so ago.   Good Luck, I hope coverage magically appears for you. Sincerely, Christopher Burger. AKA CBTRAINNUT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75027	From: traindavid	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine

I once wrote an article for CTT about converting a Marx 3/16 stock car to S, with photos. CTT paid me for it, and with the money, I bought a subscription to CTT. It has never been published. Other than ads, the only S I see in this latest CTT issue is a single photo of Al Marotta's layout. I re-subscribed to be certain I got the issue with Mike Marmer's layout in it. Think I'll let it lapse at the end of the year--also, noted that it's pretty thin compared to past years' issues. We may be a minor scale, but we must be somewhat of a force in the toy train market, or NO ONE would be making S products. I think the problem lies with the staff; none of them are S gaugers, so they don't look for S stuff, nor think about S stuff they could do. This is, of course, just my opinion and won't even get you cream at a Starbucks, let alone a cup of coffee! David "two rails" Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75028	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge

I was raised by my grandparents from about 1952 until the time i joined the Navy in 1967. My first flyer train set was one that was purchased with trading stamps in the mid 50's All I recall is that there was a locomotive and i don't really remember the number or wheel arrangement anymore but relieve it was a 2-6-0. I believe there were a couple box cars and a caboose. Since nobody in my home town sold Flyer I had to go to a larger town where my great aunt lived and I immediately found a store that sold Flyer while visiting her one time. Eventually i managed to acquire a lot of track and then i discovered the Northern Pacific North Coast Limited which I had ridden many times with my  grandmother. i eventually worked a deal with the store owner (a hardware store) so that when i was visiting my great aunt i could work for any Flyer stuff i wanted. The deal worked out pretty well and i eventually amassed a load of flyer stuff to include not one but two NP North Coast Limited's. I think I had about 10 trains in all and freight cars?.......I don't even want to think about all the cars and track I had. Since I really didn't have a layout table I'd store everything in a bunch of boxes. it was a pain in the neck doing it that way but hoped to be able to set it up permanently one day. Then i discovered that Flyer had bit the dust. This was probably early 1967. Then I graduated high school in June 1967 and since i had no idea what I wanted to do I enlisted in the Navy. When I came home on leave in 1968 it was to find out that all my Flyer stuff had been sold......for 50 bucks. Not to mention that my comic book collection had been tossed in the garbage to the tune of....that stuff will never be worth anything. if I still had those comic books (4 boxes full) I could be driving a ferrari and living in a house with a 50 x70 layout and have a 1 1/2 inch layout on the property.                Bob Lampe                Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75029	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge

:o) On Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:45 PM, "alan smith alansmith@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   To all: I'm sure there are lots stories like this out there. Back in the late forties or early 1950, when I was 8 /9 years old.   Christmas time was fast approaching. One day the local lumber yard brought some material - Redwood boards, some 1 X 2 , a sheet of plywood  and assorted hardware. That evening when Dad got home from his policeman duties he carried all the stuff  to the basement.   Of course, being a kid  "What U building Dad" was the normal thing one would expect me to ask.  The reply -- "You have to promise not to  tell Mom but we are going to make her something for Christmas".  So, we commenced to sawing and making the soon to be " redwood horses"  and building the 4 X 8.   I didn't understand what Mom was going to do with something this size but I never questioned Dad as we worked on the " Present " !  Everything was sawn by hand -- No power saws in those days or Dad didn't have them.  As Christmas Eve approached the horses were about finished when it was my bedtime.  Christmas Morning — When I entered the living room, thru the french doors that separated it from the rest of the house, there in the corner of the room, laying on the floor was  a 4 X 8  American Flyer train layout. One loop track around the perimeter of the board. It had a 312 S I T, a Shell tank car, Lehigh hopper car, a box car and a 630 caboose all powered by an 8 B transformer.  Needless to say I was surprised and a happy little boy. Dad had tricked me while he made some of the bench work.  He would have been forced to work late thru the night to finish it before morning.  A great surprise !  Thru the early years we added two switches an inner track and Plasticville houses, etc.  Dad passed away May 1, 1953.  I lost interest in the flyer and it finally got put in boxes.   As time passed , I married, the boxes of train stuff  went with me from fixer upper house to fixer upper house. It was put together once when my son was small, however Gilbert had bit the dust my then. It was put together on the attic floor just to show him what it looked like.  I had little hope of ever being able to put the flyer back together.  I bought him a H O and built a layout for that set.-  It was a poor excuse of a train set as it always needed repairs.  It got sold at a yard sale to get rid on a real pain in the neck . Jump ahead to 2009 - now retired and needed something to do.  Now the age of computers and ebay was alive and well - surprise-- surprise --surprise . - LOOK at all the flyer stuff that is out there.  Out came the stored boxes. Out came the tools, new back work and new life was given the Christmas present from all those many years ago.  Now three grandsons. The first layout was 6.6 X 11.0 . "Grandpa it's not big enough"  as the word from the boys. The layout then took on a life of its own.  The boys have lost interest but Grandpa was then on a roll.   Now 20 switches and 10 engines, lots of rolling stock, custom built cars. bashed items from the wounded world of old flyer items and much more.    Every time I look at the layout I think back to those days gone by.    A true story - Flyer forever !  Old Doc the Flyer guy in S. W. Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75030	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge

Excellent! A real delightful story. Thanks Alan, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/26/2014 10:55 AM, alan smith alansmith@... [S-Trains] wrote: To all: I'm sure there are lots stories like this out there. Back in the late forties or early 1950, when I was 8 /9 years old.   Christmas time was fast approaching. One day the local lumber yard brought some material - Redwood boards, some 1 X 2 , a sheet of plywood  and assorted hardware. That evening when Dad got home from his policeman duties he carried all the stuff  to the basement.   Of course, being a kid  "What U building Dad" was the normal thing one would expect me to ask.  The reply -- "You have to promise not to  tell Mom but we are going to make her something for Christmas".  So, we commenced to sawing and making the soon to be " redwood horses"  and building the 4 X 8.   I didn't understand what Mom was going to do with something this size but I never questioned Dad as we worked on the " Present " !  Everything was sawn by hand -- No power saws in those days or Dad didn't have them.  As Christmas Eve approached the horses were about finished when it was my bedtime.  Christmas Morning — When I entered the living room, thru the french doors that separated it from the rest of the house, there in the corner of the room, laying on the floor was  a 4 X 8  American Flyer train layout. One loop track around the perimeter of the board. It had a 312 S I T, a Shell tank car, Lehigh hopper car, a box car and a 630 caboose all powered by an 8 B transformer.  Needless to say I was surprised and a happy little boy. Dad had tricked me while he made some of the bench work.  He would have been forced to work late thru the night to finish it before morning.  A great surprise !  Thru the early years we added two switches an inner track and Plasticville houses, etc.  Dad passed away May 1, 1953.  I lost interest in the flyer and it finally got put in boxes.   As time passed , I married, the boxes of train stuff  went with me from fixer upper house to fixer upper house. It was put together once when my son was small, however Gilbert had bit the dust my then. It was put together on the attic floor just to show him what it looked like.  I had little hope of ever being able to put the flyer back together.  I bought him a H O and built a layout for that set.-  It was a poor excuse of a train set as it always needed repairs.  It got sold at a yard sale to get rid on a real pain in the neck . Jump ahead to 2009 - now retired and needed something to do.  Now the age of computers and ebay was alive and well - surprise-- surprise --surprise . - LOOK at all the flyer stuff that is out there.  Out came the stored boxes. Out came the tools, new back work and new life was given the Christmas present from all those many years ago.  Now three grandsons. The first layout was 6.6 X 11.0 . "Grandpa it's not big enough"  as the word from the boys. The layout then took on a life of its own.  The boys have lost interest but Grandpa was then on a roll.   Now 20 switches and 10 engines, lots of rolling stock, custom built cars. bashed items from the wounded world of old flyer items and much more.    Every time I look at the layout I think back to those days gone by.    A true story - Flyer forever !  Old Doc the Flyer guy in S. W. Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75031	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge

Sad but not only true, fairly common. My cousin had a similar experience about a decade before you. I sent your story his way. He did not have trains, but, he did have comics and baseball cards. Quite a number of Ferraris appear to have been lost through similar circumstances. BTW, I did enjoy the story and the happy parts thereof. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/26/2014 2:53 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote: I was raised by my grandparents from about 1952 until the time i joined the Navy in 1967. My first flyer train set was one that was purchased with trading stamps in the mid 50's All I recall is that there was a locomotive and i don't really remember the number or wheel arrangement anymore but relieve it was a 2-6-0. I believe there were a couple box cars and a caboose. Since nobody in my home town sold Flyer I had to go to a larger town where my great aunt lived and I immediately found a store that sold Flyer while visiting her one time. Eventually i managed to acquire a lot of track and then i discovered the Northern Pacific North Coast Limited which I had ridden many times with my  grandmother. i eventually worked a deal with the store owner (a hardware store) so that when i was visiting my great aunt i could work for any Flyer stuff i wanted. The deal worked out pretty well and i eventually amassed a load of flyer stuff to include not one but two NP North Coast Limited's. I think I had about 10 trains in all and freight cars?.......I don't even want to think about all the cars and track I had. Since I really didn't have a layout table I'd store everything in a bunch of boxes. it was a pain in the neck doing it that way but hoped to be able to set it up permanently one day. Then i discovered that Flyer had bit the dust. This was probably early 1967. Then I graduated high school in June 1967 and since i had no idea what I wanted to do I enlisted in the Navy. When I came home on leave in 1968 it was to find out that all my Flyer stuff had been sold......for 50 bucks. Not to mention that my comic book collection had been tossed in the garbage to the tune of....that stuff will never be worth anything. if I still had those comic books (4 boxes full) I could be driving a ferrari and living in a house with a 50 x70 layout and have a 1 1/2 inch layout on the property.                Bob Lampe                Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75032	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge

My first train was in the 50s a Lionel train, dont remember much but it took the tablets to smoke used them all up real quick, but soon the train disappeared, most of my toys got sold mom and pop where horrible with money, there was a neighbor kid everything I got (used) he got new and better, I only beat him once when my Uncle Bill gave me a complete army uniform a short wacs one, but more than anything I remember that train, 50 years later I have a nice 8x12 layout and several af engines working on getting more, love to repair them, spent time in the military started out repairing tubes, then transistors then IC chips I left when computers came in to repair with, so the army uniform is gone but the trains I just love still being disabled they give me lots of enjoyment.  I have a son now he is not much interested in trains, but I have all his toys he can play with them anytime he wants. On Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:29 PM, "Bill Porter wpporter@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Sad but not only true, fairly common. My cousin had a similar experience about a decade before you. I sent your story his way. He did not have trains, but, he did have comics and baseball cards. Quite a number of Ferraris appear to have been lost through similar circumstances. BTW, I did enjoy the story and the happy parts thereof. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/26/2014 2:53 PM, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote: I was raised by my grandparents from about 1952 until the time i joined the Navy in 1967. My first flyer train set was one that was purchased with trading stamps in the mid 50's All I recall is that there was a locomotive and i don't really remember the number or wheel arrangement anymore but relieve it was a 2-6-0. I believe there were a couple box cars and a caboose. Since nobody in my home town sold Flyer I had to go to a larger town where my great aunt lived and I immediately found a store that sold Flyer while visiting her one time. Eventually i managed to acquire a lot of track and then i discovered the Northern Pacific North Coast Limited which I had ridden many times with my  grandmother. i eventually worked a deal with the store owner (a hardware store) so that when i was visiting my great aunt i could work for any Flyer stuff i wanted. The deal worked out pretty well and i eventually amassed a load of flyer stuff to include not one but two NP North Coast Limited's. I think I had about 10 trains in all and freight cars?.......I don't even want to think about all the cars and track I had. Since I really didn't have a layout table I'd store everything in a bunch of boxes. it was a pain in the neck doing it that way but hoped to be able to set it up permanently one day. Then i discovered that Flyer had bit the dust. This was probably early 1967. Then I graduated high school in June 1967 and since i had no idea what I wanted to do I enlisted in the Navy. When I came home on leave in 1968 it was to find out that all my Flyer stuff had been sold......for 50 bucks. Not to mention that my comic book collection had been tossed in the garbage to the tune of....that stuff will never be worth anything. if I still had those comic books (4 boxes full) I could be driving a ferrari and living in a house with a 50 x70 layout and have a 1 1/2 inch layout on the property.                Bob Lampe                Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75033	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge

My Flyer locomotive used smoke fluid in little red capsules that you would poke a hole in with a needle or pin. I ran out of smoke fluid and as I stated there was no store in my home town that sold Flyer trains or accessories so no place locally to buy smoke fluid. I was by this time in 6th grade and was playing trumpet in the band. One day just out of curiosity I added some of the trumpet oil to the smoke unit. What the heck it was an oil and the smoke fluid smelled almost identical. Holy mackeral talk about put out the smoke. There was so much smoke my grandmother thought I'd set fire to the hgouse After that all I had to do was go to the local music store and buy a bottle of trumpet oil.                                                                                                           Bob Lampe                                                                                                           Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75034	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/27/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75035	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/26/2014
Subject: No. 8 Transformer

Someone asked me about a No. 8 transformer and sent me pictures. There's no such thing in any of the books I have, but there it is bigger than life. It looks for all the world like an early 8B with two-part handle and two-prong gray power cord. But it has four posts rather than three and goes up to 25 V. So is anybody out there familiar with it? When was it made? What is its history? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75036	From: alan smith	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: New design shorty tank car for S gauge

To all,  A creation by handy work and the love of trains .   625 frame modified  + custom tank & saddles + std platform + custom railings and ladders  Alan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75037	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: No. 8 Transformer

Hi Bob: can you attach a picture? tx Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) ps I have 3-8b transformers; two for 110 V and 1 for 220 V On 7/27/2014 06:49, The Upstairs Train theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Someone asked me about a No. 8 transformer and sent me pictures. There's no such thing in any of the books I have, but there it is bigger than life. It looks for all the world like an early 8B with two-part handle and two-prong gray power cord. But it has four posts rather than three and goes up to 25 V. So is anybody out there familiar with it? When was it made? What is its history? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75038	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: New design shorty tank car for S gauge

That is just great, Alan. Before I morphed up to S-Scale trains, I was an avid N-Scaler. One of the delights in that size is to pull a long string of those nifty beer can tankers. Now, I see it is possible to have the same treat in S. Thanks, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/27/2014 8:19 AM, alan smith alansmith@... [S-Trains] wrote: To all,  A creation by handy work and the love of trains .   625 frame modified  + custom tank & saddles + std platform + custom railings and ladders  Alan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75039	From: David Highfield	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: A true story for S gauge

Having been born in 1945, my AF stories are similar to many. When I was about 5-6 my father brought hope a 332 DC and three aluminum passenger cars, track, and transformer, and so the story began. One unique feature: our layout was in the basement of our semi-attached city dwelling and my father mounted the layout against the wall on hinges so that after the Christmas season, buildings and trains were removed and the entire layout was raised and fastened to the wall, ready to be lowered again as the next Christmas approached. I still have the original trains, a basement layout, but no hinges! Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75040	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

I am a member of the Houston S Gaugers. We have as many as 30 modules within our club (club-owned and private). Since the club was originally founded by individuals who were pure scale modelers, all track on the modules is hand-laid code 100. Over the last few years we have made contact with and have several active members who prefer the AF/hi-rail side of "S". Some have invested in some scale equipment so that they can run on our club layout. However, we have started to think out loud, if there would be any interest in having a second layout made out of modules that uses only AF and/or hi-rail track. So, my questions are as follows: Is there such a thing as a modular standard for AF and/or hi-rail track similar to the S-Mod standards to which our scale modules are built? Or is it the same (just different track)? Have any of you who are involved in clubs experienced having two "S" layouts within the same club, one scale and one not? If so, what has been your experience? Feel free to contact me directly (peter@...) if you don't want to share your experiences publicly. I have seen videos of clubs where both hi-rail and AF tracks are placed on modules. If any of you on this list who live in the greater Houston, Texas area are interested in pursuing this further, feel free to contact me. Thank you, - Peter. -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/ My business site: http://fourthray.com/ Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/ NASG site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75041	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/27/2014, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75042	From: beebear	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: New design shorty tank car for S gauge

Attachments : That looks awesome Allan!! Any plans for mass production or maybe an article on how you built it??   John Frankforther   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New design shorty tank car for S gauge     To all,    A creation by handy work and the love of trains .   625 frame modified  + custom tank & saddles + std platform + custom railings and ladders    Alan This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75043	From: beebear	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Listing for current sites

Does anyone have a listing for current S sites that have articles and how-to’s?   I have been tossing around the idea of using the web space I have from my cable co. to start  setting up something. If you want to write about something , show how-to do something  in S , I can set it up here and go from there.   I also have a local server in my house with a gig or two of storage I could use. Once setup it would be just like another web site.   Any ideas or thoughts on this????   John Frankforther   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75044	From: alan smith	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: New design shorty tank car for S gauge

John, Thanks for your comment on the group page.   The reason I put this out there for the group to see.  The S gauge hobby is alive and growing.   Our club, the MVSG has received warm welcomes wherever the layout is set up and demonstrated.  Imagination in action can generate new items or bring new life into old damaged cars and engines.  We, as a group of Flyer lovers can create some interesting things on our own.   We may be old timers but we not brain dead nor going away anytime soon - the Lord willing.  If there is enough interest.  I may build these{in limited numbers as they are all hand made } down the road a ways .  I'm having some issue in getting the parts made so I can assemble them. I'm hopeful to get this remedied soon.   The pix is the prototype I built. I designed the tank and most of the other components.  My thought is they will come with:  * Custom steel car frame --- - SO don't have to cut down 625's.   I would hate having to do that in any numbers.  * Custom tank and associated railings, etc. *  A new design truck {using LC journal covers} with (2) springs per side and static with a direct mount tang for the KC's *  The car could be supplied without decals.   The custom design (LMA) decals were made for me by LBR.   I'm sure LBR could make most anything that would be desired. *  I may put my special truck attaching assembly on them. ---- they will screw together rather than rivet to the frame.  This make servicing much easier plus the trucks can be interchanged to ones own liking . *  Likely a small dome versus the portals on the prototype. * The repro platform will probably be a std item.  Have a great day and happy S gauging. Cheers, Alan Ps I'll post a couple more brain teasers for those that think old S gauge guys are over the hill and need to fade away.     NOT HAPPENING! On Jul 27, 2014, at 1:30 PM, 'beebear' beebear@... [S-Trains] wrote:   That looks awesome Allan!! Any plans for mass production or maybe an article on how you built it??   John Frankforther   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New design shorty tank car for S gauge     To all,    A creation by handy work and the love of trains .   625 frame modified  + custom tank & saddles + std platform + custom railings and ladders    Alan<image002.jpg> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75045	From: alan smith	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Let the good times roll ---on the rails.

To all, As promised some brain teasers for your enjoyment.    Imagination and for the love of trains ! All these are new ideas that have been applied to old damaged, discarded or cars.   New Life into Old  OLD A

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75046	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Let the good times roll-on the rails

A man after my own heart.  Good show!  Everything old CAN be new again. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75047	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

Peter, I hope you will publish any publishable information you collect. The older I get, the more interested I am in modules, portability and light weight. There is a very nice set of standards for O-Gauge modules called All Aboard Fastrackers. I have some information and links on my personal site at: http://wpporter.worthygems.com/AllAboardFastrackerModules.php I wonder if something along those lines would be a fit using S-Gauge track. Please keep us posted. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75048	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: Let the good times roll ---on the rails.

Very nice! Thanks Alan, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/27/2014 3:34 PM, alan smith alansmith@... [S-Trains] wrote: To all, As promised some brain teasers for your enjoyment.    Imagination and for the love of trains ! All these are new ideas that have been applied to old damaged, discarded or cars.   New Life into Old  OLD A

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75049	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine

John, According to the editors I have worked with at Trains, they would run more S articles if someone would write and shoot them. Or, depending upon circumstances, if someone tips them to an S layout, they might assign staff. How about your layout? Or do you know of any decent S layouts that would be magazine-quality? Do any of your S friends know of any? I do not have a layout and may never have one. There are precious few that I can find here in the KC metro area. And there are two mags devoted to S: The S Gaugian and Sn3. And of course the NASG Dispatch is all S content. Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 06:48:56 -0700 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine            I just received my September 2014 issue of "Classic Toy Trains Magazine" which clearly states on the front cover "O and S gauge for the operator and collector". Just to let everyone know, in case you see it on the news stand, there is not one article or photo I can find in the magazine that is "S" gauge related. It seems they have completely abandoned the "S" gauge hobbiest. I wish there was a magazine devoted to "S' gauge.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75050	From: rhicks308	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: No. 8 Transformer

It must be a pre-war (and essentially pre-Gilbert) transformer produced during the Gilbert transition.  Many Chicago transformers had 4 or 5 posts and could go up to 25V or more (and I really don't know why).  There were a lot of them; I have a 1283 which is basically similar to a #8 except for the 4-post layout.  I suppose your model used the older innards and newer case and nameplates and so on.  It might be unique.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75051	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: No. 8 Transformer

Standard Gauge or Wide Gauge as Chicago called it, uses voltages up to the low 20's. Alistair   ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 27 Jul 2014 18:16:22 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: No. 8 Transformer   It must be a pre-war (and essentially pre-Gilbert) transformer produced during the Gilbert transition.  Many Chicago transformers had 4 or 5 posts and could go up to 25V or more (and I really don't know why).  There were a lot of them; I have a 1283 which is basically similar to a #8 except for the 4-post layout.  I suppose your model used the older innards and newer case and nameplates and so on.  It might be unique.  ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75052	From: beebear	Date: 7/27/2014
Subject: Re: Classic Toy Trains Magazine

Roy I am taking pictures of my layout as I slowly progress.  Once all the summer stuff is done then I can move back into the garage and continue on. S layouts are in short supply in my neck of the woods. Mostly HO and some Lionel.   John   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine     John, According to the editors I have worked with at Trains, they would run more S articles if someone would write and shoot them. Or, depending upon circumstances, if someone tips them to an S layout, they might assign staff. How about your layout? Or do you know of any decent S layouts that would be magazine-quality? Do any of your S friends know of any? I do not have a layout and may never have one. There are precious few that I can find here in the KC metro area. And there are two mags devoted to S: The S Gaugian and Sn3. And of course the NASG Dispatch is all S content. Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 06:48:56 -0700 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Classic Toy Trains Magazine            I just received my September 2014 issue of "Classic Toy Trains Magazine" which clearly states on the front cover "O and S gauge for the operator and collector". Just to let everyone know, in case you see it on the news stand, there is not one article or photo I can find in the magazine that is "S" gauge related. It seems they have completely abandoned the "S" gauge hobbiest. I wish there was a magazine devoted to "S' gauge.       This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75053	From: race944t	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

There are several clubs on the East Coast that have modular specs.  You can go to trainweb.org/acsg and click on the "Specs" tab for what we use.  Our specs are good for almost all Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers.  You might also want to check out the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club.  I think their specs are very similar to ours.   "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75054	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: No. 8 Transformer

It might be Gilbert transition; putting the various responses together, that makes sense. The nameplate does say AC Gilbert Company, New Haven, Conn. So it is Gilbert, not Chicago. The left post is the base post. Between the base post and the first post is labeled "8 to 16V". Between the second and third is labeled "9V only." Between the base and the third is labeled "8 to 25V." Between the third and the fourth is labeled "attach whistle here 9V." I'll put the pictures on my website and provide a link. I'll let you all know when it's there. In the meantime, I'd sure like to know if anybody has a book that mentions it. I know that Doyle is not complete for prewar but he doesn't list it. I don't have any other books with prewar. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:16 PM, "randallhicks@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   It must be a pre-war (and essentially pre-Gilbert) transformer produced during the Gilbert transition.  Many Chicago transformers had 4 or 5 posts and could go up to 25V or more (and I really don't know why).  There were a lot of them; I have a 1283 which is basically similar to a #8 except for the 4-post layout.  I suppose your model used the older innards and newer case and nameplates and so on.  It might be unique.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75055	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

Thanks for the link and the information. Can you tell me about what these things weigh? Just the 4-foot size and a corner module if convenient would do the trick. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/28/2014 10:10 AM, race944t@... [S-Trains] wrote: There are several clubs on the East Coast that have modular specs.  You can go to trainweb.org/acsg and click on the "Specs" tab for what we use.  Our specs are good for almost all Divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers.  You might also want to check out the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club.  I think their specs are very similar to ours.  "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75056	From: tennsgauger	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

Let me mention that Gary Cameron of Johnson City, Tennessee, offers aluminum modules with legs that connect or disconnect very easily.  These modules are lightweight and suitable for module that are two by four feet.  He is also testing corner modules.    These modules could be used for any scale and for S-highrail or S-scale.   I bought four of these modules though at the moment I am too busy with other things to try to organize a local modular club here in Nashville.    I do not think Gary is on any of the S yahoogroups, but he can be reached at this email:  Garyjcameron@...        -  Earl Henry, Jr.,         Nashville, TN       In a message dated 7/28/2014 10:39:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Thanks for the link and the information. Can you tell me about what these things weigh? Just the 4-foot size and a corner module if convenient would do the trick. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/28/2014 10:10 AM, race944t@... [S-Trains] wrote: .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75057	From: rhicks308	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: No. 8 Transformer

Duh.  Yes, wide gauge seems like the obvious explanation, now that you mention it.  Next, how did the 9V whistle work? Randall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75058	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

Attachments : Bill,     The corner modules of the CT-S Gaugers are somewhat heavy.  They were build some time ago and new ones that were constructed used the same dimensions.  You can find the specs out there for them on the Train Web for our club.     I understand you have scale modules using code 100 track.  I am not sure what you are actually trying to achieve, a new club layout that uses AF track or if you are attempting to build a layout with compatible track work that will allow running of flyer trains?     We use Code125 Micro-Engineering Rail on handlaid ties or S-Helper Flex code133.   The two rail sizes are nearly indiscernible.  We do have some hand laid high speed turnouts (open frog) that allow for either scale or high rail (AF) equipment to run.     The code 125 rail supports almost all AF, flyonel and MTH wheelsets.  There are a few older deep flange Flyer trains and a few Flyonel engines that seem to bottom out slightly with that rail size but that is not too common.  If that becomes an issue, then go with Code 148 rail from ME.  But personally I like the code 125 since it is more scale looking and normally we do not have any problems.  Use small spikes so the flanges do not bump up and ride on the spikes on the inside of the rails.  With the MTH track that will not be a problem.     If you are into sectional track (such as MTH or Lionel fast tracks) then you have to set it up every time and it becomes a time issue.  But you could use that and secure as much as possible and use bridge rail jumpers.     The best of both worlds exists with the code 125 rail and high speed turnouts since it allows for all types of trains to run – scale or high rail.  We mounted our track on 2x4 modules made of 1x4 with ½” plywood tops.  I have seen modules made of 1x4s with 2” foam 2’x4’ builders foam secured down within the frames.  On top of that cork roadbed or homasote was glued to the foam.  And then the ties were glued to the cork.  And spiking done through the wooden ties.  I have not used that approach but the Bristol S-Gaugers (they are online on the web) did that methodology.      Tommy Robichard published an article on their web site how to make the turnouts.  The tricky part of hand laying for High rail is  using cross tracks (14/30/60 and 90 degrees) if you plan to use them.  I suggest you stay away since they will be troublesome because high rail flanges will drop down into the gaps at the frogs.  Better off with standard #6 or #4 or 5 hand laid turnouts that lead to a crossing.     If you do not want to make your own turnouts you can get them constructed from BK Enterprises…I think.  I know they still advertise.  Your call on that.     My only suggestion to lighter weight modules is to make sure the frames are well made.  The foam should be fine.  It is lighter.  Make fold down legs on the bottoms of the modules since it is easier than screwing on legs or bolting them in.  It is a time saver we are now pursuing.     Lastly, consider using sliding door locks as a cam lock system to lock-hold the modules together.  We are trying to figure out how to do that so that you do not have to crawl under and bolt the modules together.      Also, we used aluminum ¼” J channel with ¼” acrylic plexi-glass for viewing protectors.  I took the white fuzzy fabric from Velcro that the Velcro sticks too to hold the plexi-glass in sturdily when pressed down into the J channels.   The white fabric is compressible and has a sticky back that adheres to the plexi nicely.   This makes for a very quick and easy view protector setup.     Consider making modules to fit your needs instead of 24” wide modules or 4’ long.  We are now planning to make some 30” or 36” modules and potentially have them longer.  But 4’ makes for easy storage and transport.  We built module movers to store in our trailer to wheel the modules into and out of shows.  Saves a lot of time and back pain.  And it protects the modules from getting banged up.   Best Regards   Paul Krause 5 Chandler Lane New Milford, CT 06776 Home# 860-350-5144 Mobile# 203-512-2866   . .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75059	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

PS - I added links to the ACSC and the BAAFC on my personal web site: http://wpporter.worthygems.com/organizations.php PPS - Nope, there is no selling on there. Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75060	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

Hi Paul, I no longer have the Code 148 modules that Milo Rodriguez and I built for the 2002 NMRA National Convention. We carried them to a few meets here in Florida after that. He moved away. I put them on a weight reduction program so that they were easier to handle and took them to a few more shows down in this neck of the woods. They were not to any standard. Just a way for us to have a portable layout. I have a few portables now and am working on more. These are all based on 2-inch thick Styrofoam covered with very thin plywood. Some have more of the American Models flex track. Some have sectional tubular stuff. One of these little guys was at a Spring S-Spree a few years back with Putt trollies running on it. Not sure where you got the idea I have any code 100 portables. Not a bad idea for someday. Right now, I concentrate on Flyer-compatible S-sized trains. The module information I expressed interest in is just to see what could be done. The essence of building standard modules is to share with other folks. Other than with Milo, I have not had any similar successes finding people who actually wanted to complete modules and then show them. So, if I can find a design that I can fit into my car and that I can handle by myself, that is a big plus. Thanks for the other information. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/28/2014 12:15 PM, 'Paul A Krause' pakrause5@... [S-Trains] wrote: Bill,  ...   I understand you have scale modules using code 100 track.  I am not sure what you are actually trying to achieve, a new club layout that uses AF track or if you are attempting to build a layout with compatible track work that will allow running of flyer trains?  ... Paul Krause

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75061	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 7/28/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

bill: try poly-iso board (sold in roofing supply houses), as light as foam, but 100% stronger mel perry On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Bill Porter wpporter@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi Paul, I no longer have the Code 148 modules that Milo Rodriguez and I built for the 2002 NMRA National Convention. We carried them to a few meets here in Florida after that. He moved away. I put them on a weight reduction program so that they were easier to handle and took them to a few more shows down in this neck of the woods. They were not to any standard. Just a way for us to have a portable layout. I have a few portables now and am working on more. These are all based on 2-inch thick Styrofoam covered with very thin plywood. Some have more of the American Models flex track. Some have sectional tubular stuff. One of these little guys was at a Spring S-Spree a few years back with Putt trollies running on it. Not sure where you got the idea I have any code 100 portables. Not a bad idea for someday. Right now, I concentrate on Flyer-compatible S-sized trains. The module information I expressed interest in is just to see what could be done. The essence of building standard modules is to share with other folks. Other than with Milo, I have not had any similar successes finding people who actually wanted to complete modules and then show them. So, if I can find a design that I can fit into my car and that I can handle by myself, that is a big plus. Thanks for the other information. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/28/2014 12:15 PM, 'Paul A Krause' pakrause5@... [S-Trains] wrote: Bill,  ...   I understand you have scale modules using code 100 track.  I am not sure what you are actually trying to achieve, a new club layout that uses AF track or if you are attempting to build a layout with compatible track work that will allow running of flyer trains?  ... Paul Krause

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75062	From: race944t	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

Our modules, if built by the specs, are pretty heavy so some people are working with foam and backing it with luan.  They are MUCH lighter and seem to be just as strong.  Most people add a drawer handle pull to aid in carrying the modules. I hope Joe Haenn will weigh in on this. "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75063	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

Hey Bill, That foam and luan plan sounds very handy: Sort of the T-Trak version of S-Scale modules. My portables are intended to rest on the display tables found at meeting halls and train shows. I don't bother with legs. The idea of handles is another real good one. I have not made an effort to figure a true modular design. What I have is all stand-alone or dedicated to a single design arrangement. Not at all modular. Have you seen some of Stumpy Stone's creations? Here in Florida, there are few homes with rooms (such as basements!) that can be dedicated to personal layouts. I have an air conditioned shed and a very supportive wife. That is not the norm. Having a way to carry pieces to places and play together seems like a real good idea. Also, we  read about the "graying of the hobby" and the need to recruit younger train people. Another implication is that we need items that are a better fit for our aging backs and reduced automotive cargo space. A design that can be carried in a common hatch-back or trunk seems like a good thing. Building and using a small set of modules ought not to require the purchase of a truck, trailer or SUV. At least it seems so to me. Bill (17-year old living in a 70-year old body) Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/29/2014 8:41 AM, race944t@... [S-Trains] wrote: Our modules, if built by the specs, are pretty heavy so some people are working with foam and backing it with luan.  They are MUCH lighter and seem to be just as strong.  Most people add a drawer handle pull to aid in carrying the modules. I hope Joe Haenn will weigh in on this. "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75064	From: tennsgauger	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

Here is an idea that I have thought about but have never done.  It would be applicable regardless of whether you attached legs to the modules.   The idea is to cut out holes in the wooden sides on which the module top sits.  The more holes, the less weight in the module.  I would not let the holes be near the top of the sides as this might be a problem if the top is screwed to the sides.  I would make these holes in a shape that would serve as handles, sort of bullet shaped but rounded on each end.    Of course noise from vibration is always a concern with modules, and I do not know what effect this would have on vibration.  But by placing the modules on tables, you are going to eliminate a lot of the vibration.       -  Earl Henry, Nashville       In a message dated 7/29/2014 11:10:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hey Bill, That foam and luan plan sounds very handy: Sort of the T-Trak version of S-Scale modules. My portables are intended to rest on the display tables found at meeting halls and train shows. I don't bother with legs. The idea of handles is another real good one. I have not made an effort to figure a true modular design. What I have is all stand-alone or dedicated to a single design arrangement. Not at all modular. Have you seen some of Stumpy Stone's creations? Here in Florida, there are few homes with rooms (such as basements!) that can be dedicated to personal layouts. I have an air conditioned shed and a very supportive wife. That is not the norm. Having a way to carry pieces to places and play together seems like a real good idea. Also, we  read about the "graying of the hobby" and the need to recruit younger train people. Another implication is that we need items that are a better fit for our aging backs and reduced automotive cargo space. A design that can be carried in a common hatch-back or trunk seems like a good thing. Building and using a small set of modules ought not to require the purchase of a truck, trailer or SUV. At least it seems so to me. Bill (17-year old living in a 70-year old body) Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/29/2014 8:41 AM, race944t@... [S-Trains] wrote: .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75065	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: skill

Robert Conner ************************************ ************************************ From: Robert Conner 29.07.2014 22:10:08

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75066	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: For sale: NASG Dispatch Magazine back issues

Almost every issue from December 2004 through August 2013. Virtually mint condition. Make offer for one or more, whatever you need. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75067	From: James Lyle	Date: 7/29/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

PVMR uses a " sectional " system.   Three yrs ago we took our new 'O' layout apart after one season and removed the Homosote top in favor of 2" foam on 1/4 " luan on a white pine frame work.    Our new 'S' layout is 1" foam on the same luan/white pine base.  Our current 'S' layout is heading into retirement in part because it is 1/2" Homosote on 2 X 3 framing lumber.   Everyone of our members ages between the times the layouts go out and back, weight has become a real issue.  One member could easily pick up a 4 x 8 frame with 2" foam and luan until the legs were installed. BTW, screws hold the foam in place so that it can be easily replaced.  Gluing the foam down was never an option or even discussed. Jim Lyle PVMR Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2014, at 12:01 PM, "Bill Porter wpporter@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hey Bill, That foam and luan plan sounds very handy: Sort of the T-Trak version of S-Scale modules. My portables are intended to rest on the display tables found at meeting halls and train shows. I don't bother with legs. The idea of handles is another real good one. I have not made an effort to figure a true modular design. What I have is all stand-alone or dedicated to a single design arrangement. Not at all modular. Have you seen some of Stumpy Stone's creations? Here in Florida, there are few homes with rooms (such as basements!) that can be dedicated to personal layouts. I have an air conditioned shed and a very supportive wife. That is not the norm. Having a way to carry pieces to places and play together seems like a real good idea. Also, we  read about the "graying of the hobby" and the need to recruit younger train people. Another implication is that we need items that are a better fit for our aging backs and reduced automotive cargo space. A design that can be carried in a common hatch-back or trunk seems like a good thing. Building and using a small set of modules ought not to require the purchase of a truck, trailer or SUV. At least it seems so to me. Bill (17-year old living in a 70-year old body) Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 7/29/2014 8:41 AM, race944t@... [S-Trains] wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75068	From: jamiebothwell	Date: 7/30/2014
Subject: Re: Let the good times roll ---on the rails.

Hi Alan, Your models are great.  If you bring the caboose to the NASG Convention in Kansas City next August you could win a prize.  Next year's "Greeley's Place Contest" will feture models made using AF cabooses.  More rules to follow, but you effort would certainly qualify. Jamie Bothwell Greeley's Place Contest Coordinator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75069	From: alan smith	Date: 7/30/2014
Subject: Re: Let the good times roll ---on the rails.

Good morning Jamie, I hope all is well with U and yours. Thanks for your comment.  Thanks for the invite.   KC is a ways from Hamilton for us old guys.   These models are just a sampling of my tinkering with the trains.   The Flyer habit/hobby is great for the soul and the satisfaction of bringing new life into something from the bygone era (pre 1966) .  I'm working on a 930 now with the brakemen having a lighted lantern (imagination) in his hand.  Time flies when U work and play with a Flyer !     A Ps   This car has active four axle trucks - The load is a simulated portion of an oil refinery.  It's about as long as a std passenger car so it will pass thru the tunnels on the layout and still traverse the old std flyer curves. On Jul 30, 2014, at 9:26 AM, jamie.bothwell@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi Alan, Your models are great.  If you bring the caboose to the NASG Convention in Kansas City next August you could win a prize.  Next year's "Greeley's Place Contest" will feture models made using AF cabooses.  More rules to follow, but you effort would certainly qualify. Jamie Bothwell Greeley's Place Contest Coordinator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75070	From: alanlambert64	Date: 7/30/2014
Subject: American Models Transformer

I am getting ready to hook up my transformer to my "New" layout, but forgot to write down how I had it hooked up before and can't find the instruction sheet to it. I have it wired for the inside rail as base like before I unhooked it. I need some help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75071	From: alanlambert64	Date: 7/30/2014
Subject: American Models Transformer

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas After building a permanent layout I need to know how to hook it up to the tack. I have Shelper track with feeder wires.inside rail is base. thanks for the help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75072	From: aftrains4u	Date: 7/30/2014
Subject: Nice 332AC

Good afternoon S-Train operators.  I have a nice 332AC Northern for the price of $430.00 on my website.  Go to americanflyertrains4u.com.  The shipping and insurance is free within the continental USA.  Take care and have a great rest of the week. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75073	From: royhoffman	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: Listing for current sites

I put some how-to articles in a magazine format that might suit you:   http://royhoffman.com/pwrr/Herald.html    Roy Hoffman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75074	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

There will always be cheating in sports, and motorsports are no different.  Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  on page 4 we have "The CHEAT goes on."   It's sometimes surprising the length competitors will go to cheat and the rules enforcers must be ever vigilant. Stumpy Stone  STUMPY'S MACHINE                                          LATEST STORY ON PAGE 4    STUMPY'S MACHINE focuses on the machinery I love, it's history, and the people involved... View on stumpysmachine.weebly.com Preview by Yahoo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75075	From: snstrains	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

It is with great sorrow that I am putting this information out to the many customers of SnS Trains. Rich Gillett who was 1/2 owner along with his brother Al of SnS passed away this morning. That demon cancer got another of S-Gauge trains good friends. His suffering was short however because it was only 13 days from diagnosis to his passing.   As the previous owner of SnS and friend to many of you, I ask you to be patient if you have any work in the shop at this time. It is going to take time to handle the affairs and get things going smoothly again. For those who may not know Al and Rich and myself, SnS Trains is the manufacturer of can motors and track cleaning cars for American Flyer S-Gauge trains. They also do repairs and modifications and restorations. You can write to Al at      Al@... Thanks to you all,   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75076	From: Mark Skertich	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer

I use an old AF 18B transformer on my layout.  The base post of the transformer is connected to the track you are using as base, and the other post is the variable--0-17 volts.  Real simple! On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:11 PM, "alanlambert64@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas After building a permanent layout I need to know how to hook it up to the tack. I have Shelper track with feeder wires.inside rail is base. thanks for the help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75077	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

My heartfelt sorrow to his passing.  James Davidson On Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:05 PM, "boss31@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   It is with great sorrow that I am putting this information out to the many customers of SnS Trains. Rich Gillett who was 1/2 owner along with his brother Al of SnS passed away this morning. That demon cancer got another of S-Gauge trains good friends. His suffering was short however because it was only 13 days from diagnosis to his passing.   As the previous owner of SnS and friend to many of you, I ask you to be patient if you have any work in the shop at this time. It is going to take time to handle the affairs and get things going smoothly again. For those who may not know Al and Rich and myself, SnS Trains is the manufacturer of can motors and track cleaning cars for American Flyer S-Gauge trains. They also do repairs and modifications and restorations. You can write to Al at      Al@... Thanks to you all,   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75078	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer

From: Alan Lambert          Fort Worth, Texas Mark, My American Models transformer base post is not marked Base like the old transformers. I have a club member that sells American Models trains at our local train shows that told me how to hook it up. I also called Ron at American Models and he  said the same thing. I'm good to go, just have some more wiring to finish.      Alan Lambert   On Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:31 PM, "Mark Skertich edinboro67@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I use an old AF 18B transformer on my layout.  The base post of the transformer is connected to the track you are using as base, and the other post is the variable--0-17 volts.  Real simple! On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:11 PM, "alanlambert64@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas After building a permanent layout I need to know how to hook it up to the tack. I have Shelper track with feeder wires.inside rail is base. thanks for the help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75079	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

Steve,    I will be in Boise from the 23rd to 31st of August give me a number we can meet for coffee.                                                                                                                                 Bob Lampe                                                                                                                                      Kalispell,MT From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:32:57 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Sad day for S'n'S Trains   It is with great sorrow that I am putting this information out to the many customers of SnS Trains. Rich Gillett who was 1/2 owner along with his brother Al of SnS passed away this morning. That demon cancer got another of S-Gauge trains good friends. His suffering was short however because it was only 13 days from diagnosis to his passing.   As the previous owner of SnS and friend to many of you, I ask you to be patient if you have any work in the shop at this time. It is going to take time to handle the affairs and get things going smoothly again. For those who may not know Al and Rich and myself, SnS Trains is the manufacturer of can motors and track cleaning cars for American Flyer S-Gauge trains. They also do repairs and modifications and restorations. You can write to Al at      Al@... Thanks to you all,   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75080	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

So so sorry to hear. Rick On Jul 31, 2014, at 5:03 PM, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON jad01@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   My heartfelt sorrow to his passing.  James Davidson On Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:05 PM, "boss31@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   It is with great sorrow that I am putting this information out to the many customers of SnS Trains. Rich Gillett who was 1/2 owner along with his brother Al of SnS passed away this morning. That demon cancer got another of S-Gauge trains good friends. His suffering was short however because it was only 13 days from diagnosis to his passing.   As the previous owner of SnS and friend to many of you, I ask you to be patient if you have any work in the shop at this time. It is going to take time to handle the affairs and get things going smoothly again. For those who may not know Al and Rich and myself, SnS Trains is the manufacturer of can motors and track cleaning cars for American Flyer S-Gauge trains. They also do repairs and modifications and restorations. You can write to Al at      Al@... Thanks to you all,   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75081	From: snstrains	Date: 7/31/2014
Subject: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

Bob, My phone number is 208-376-1159. My email is boss31@...   Steve   In a message dated 7/31/2014 10:41:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Steve,    I will be in Boise from the 23rd to 31st of August give me a number we can meet for coffee.                                                                                                                                 Bob Lampe          &nb sp;                                                                                                                           Kalispell,MT From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:32:57 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Sad day for S'n'S Trains   It is with great sorrow that I am putting this information out to the many customers of SnS Trains. Rich Gillett who was 1/2 owner along with his brother Al of SnS passed away this morning. That demon cancer got another of S-Gauge trains good friends. His suffering was short however because it was only 13 days from diagnosis to his passing.   As the previous owner of SnS and friend to many of you, I ask you to be patient if you have any work in the shop at this time. It is going to take time to handle the affairs and get things going smoothly again. For those who may not know Al and Rich and myself, SnS Trains is the manufacturer of can motors and track cleaning cars for American Flyer S-Gauge trains. They also do repairs and modifications and restorations. You can write to Al at      Al@... Thanks to you all,   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75082	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

Got it Steve thanks cya around the 23rd                                                              Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 00:44:53 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Sad day for S'n'S Trains   Bob, My phone number is 208-376-1159. My email is boss31@...   Steve   In a message dated 7/31/2014 10:41:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Steve,    I will be in Boise from the 23rd to 31st of August give me a number we can meet for coffee.                                                                                                                                 Bob Lampe          &nb sp;                                                                                                                           Kalispell,MT From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:32:57 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Sad day for S'n'S Trains   It is with great sorrow that I am putting this information out to the many customers of SnS Trains. Rich Gillett who was 1/2 owner along with his brother Al of SnS passed away this morning. That demon cancer got another of S-Gauge trains good friends. His suffering was short however because it was only 13 days from diagnosis to his passing.   As the previous owner of SnS and friend to many of you, I ask you to be patient if you have any work in the shop at this time. It is going to take time to handle the affairs and get things going smoothly again. For those who may not know Al and Rich and myself, SnS Trains is the manufacturer of can motors and track cleaning cars for American Flyer S-Gauge trains. They also do repairs and modifications and restorations. You can write to Al at      Al@... Thanks to you all,   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75083	From: Milo Rodriguez	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

My Sincere sympathy to Rich's Family and Friends I know that God needed another Train Guy, to help run his large train layout! Best Regards, Thanks            Milo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75084	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

We had some great conversations about "S" trains and our respective days in the Navy. We morn his passing. He will be sorely missed. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc       From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:32:57 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Sad day for S'n'S Trains   It is with great sorrow that I am putting this information out to the many customers of SnS Trains. Rich Gillett who was 1/2 owner along with his brother Al of SnS passed away this morning. That demon cancer got another of S-Gauge trains good friends. His suffering was short however because it was only 13 days from diagnosis to his passing.   As the previous owner of SnS and friend to many of you, I ask you to be patient if you have any work in the shop at this time. It is going to take time to handle the affairs and get things going smoothly again. For those who may not know Al and Rich and myself, SnS Trains is the manufacturer of can motors and track cleaning cars for American Flyer S-Gauge trains. They also do repairs and modifications and restorations. You can write to Al at      Al@... Thanks to you all,   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75085	From: Ray Puls	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

So sorry for the loss of Rich, our condolences go out to his family and friends. You are in our prayers. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75086	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Flyer O-Gauge parts

Good morning all, I need some help in locating parts for a 1941 #574 0-8-0 switcher. I am trying to restore this for gentleman, so he can pass it on to his son. Engine is in relatively good shape, although it had been dropped. Some minor cosmetic work will restore shell. My problem is that 3 of the 4 flangeless wheels in the center are damaged beyond repair. They are die-cast and crumbled from the fall, due to die-cast rot. The part number is PA947. Does anyone have or know where I may find a source for these, if they are available? Thanks for any help that may be offered. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75087	From: mikenguy9	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: 1946 track ( for unloading cars )

how do I hook up the track to unload coal cars.  not sure with the two knurled screws.  what do they hook up to?  I have not found a 1946 book either. and the book I do find only have the directions for the slide bar.   any help is appreciated.  not sure if you offer to buy them would I sell.   thanks for any help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75088	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: 1946 track ( for unloading cars )

Simple, one wire to the base post, one to a momentary switch, then to the fixed voltage post.  the manual may list it in reverse with the momentary switch between the track and the base post.  Either way works Ted Weiler On Friday, August 1, 2014 1:12 PM, "mikenguy9@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: how do I hook up the track to unload coal cars.  not sure with the two knurled screws.  what do they hook up to?  I have not found a 1946 book either. and the book I do find only have the directions for the slide bar.   any help is appreciated.  not sure if you offer to buy them would I sell.   thanks for any help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75089	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

My condolences. I feel for you. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jul 31, 2014, at 3:32 PM, "boss31@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   It is with great sorrow that I am putting this information out to the many customers of SnS Trains. Rich Gillett who was 1/2 owner along with his brother Al of SnS passed away this morning. That demon cancer got another of S-Gauge trains good friends. His suffering was short however because it was only 13 days from diagnosis to his passing.   As the previous owner of SnS and friend to many of you, I ask you to be patient if you have any work in the shop at this time. It is going to take time to handle the affairs and get things going smoothly again. For those who may not know Al and Rich and myself, SnS Trains is the manufacturer of can motors and track cleaning cars for American Flyer S-Gauge trains. They also do repairs and modifications and restorations. You can write to Al at      Al@... Thanks to you all,   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75090	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer O-Gauge parts

Hi Larry,                  I just sold all of what I had in stock of the PA9472 Flangeless Wheels on E bay. These were made bu Colonial Casting. I know Doug Peck used to handle their line. You may want to check with Doug Peck, Port Line and see if he has any.                                                    Tom Seccia                                                      Triple"S"Supplies On Friday, August 1, 2014 12:25 PM, "Larry Moore mo2337@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Good morning all, I need some help in locating parts for a 1941 #574 0-8-0 switcher. I am trying to restore this for gentleman, so he can pass it on to his son. Engine is in relatively good shape, although it had been dropped. Some minor cosmetic work will restore shell. My problem is that 3 of the 4 flangeless wheels in the center are damaged beyond repair. They are die-cast and crumbled from the fall, due to die-cast rot. The part number is PA947. Does anyone have or know where I may find a source for these, if they are available? Thanks for any help that may be offered. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75091	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer O-Gauge parts

Thanks for the reply. I will check with Doug, he will be available on the 6th. Larry   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 6:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer O-Gauge parts     Hi Larry,                  I just sold all of what I had in stock of the PA9472 Flangeless Wheels on E bay. These were made bu Colonial Casting. I know Doug Peck used to handle their line. You may want to check with Doug Peck, Port Line and see if he has any.                                                    Tom Seccia                                                      Triple"S"Supplies   On Friday, August 1, 2014 12:25 PM, "Larry Moore mo2337@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:     Good morning all, I need some help in locating parts for a 1941 #574 0-8-0 switcher. I am trying to restore this for gentleman, so he can pass it on to his son. Engine is in relatively good shape, although it had been dropped. Some minor cosmetic work will restore shell. My problem is that 3 of the 4 flangeless wheels in the center are damaged beyond repair. They are die-cast and crumbled from the fall, due to die-cast rot. The part number is PA947. Does anyone have or know where I may find a source for these, if they are available? Thanks for any help that may be offered. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75092	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Traction tire?

I have an AF 316 that has one traction tire on the rear left driver.  Should there also be one on the opposite side?  It has been converted to a can motor, but when it is pulling several cars, it seems to run a bit sideways down the track.  No loose rims or bent axles that I can find.  Any ideas? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75093	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 8/1/2014
Subject: Re: Sad day for S'n'S Trains

Got it thanks Steve cya in a couple weeks                                                                 Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 00:44:53 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Sad day for S'n'S Trains   Bob, My phone number is 208-376-1159. My email is boss31@...   Steve   In a message dated 7/31/2014 10:41:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Steve,    I will be in Boise from the 23rd to 31st of August give me a number we can meet for coffee.                                                                                                                                 Bob Lampe          &nb sp;                                                                                                                           Kalispell,MT From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:32:57 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Sad day for S'n'S Trains   It is with great sorrow that I am putting this information out to the many customers of SnS Trains. Rich Gillett who was 1/2 owner along with his brother Al of SnS passed away this morning. That demon cancer got another of S-Gauge trains good friends. His suffering was short however because it was only 13 days from diagnosis to his passing.   As the previous owner of SnS and friend to many of you, I ask you to be patient if you have any work in the shop at this time. It is going to take time to handle the affairs and get things going smoothly again. For those who may not know Al and Rich and myself, SnS Trains is the manufacturer of can motors and track cleaning cars for American Flyer S-Gauge trains. They also do repairs and modifications and restorations. You can write to Al at      Al@... Thanks to you all,   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75094	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?

 an absent pullmore tire will do just that , replace it & all should be good   ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... [S-Trains] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Traction tire?   I have an AF 316 that has one traction tire on the rear left driver.  Should there also be one on the opposite side?  It has been converted to a can motor, but when it is pulling several cars, it seems to run a bit sideways down the track.  No loose rims or bent axles that I can find.  Any ideas? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75095	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?

I'm not sure exactly what you're calling a "traction tire," as that is generally a plastic band set in a groove around a pair of driving wheels, as used on HO and some modern S gauge locos.  For old Flyer, there shouldn't be a "traction band" at all!  From about '53 on, Flyer driving wheels had the "Pull-Mor" driver tires from the factory, so an additional traction band is not needed.  All the drivers should have the Pull-Mor tires, making all drivers the same diameter.  If you have a pre-Pull-Mor loco, it STILL shouldn't have an added traction band, as again, the drivers must be all the same diameter. Since all the weight and traction of a Flyer steamer is carried by the drivers, they must be correct.  With one driver being different, this would cause your problem.  Either one driver is missing a Pull-Mor driver tire, or someone has added an aftermarket traction band to add tractive effort would be my guess.  Another possibility I have found in rebuilding old locos is that of a driver being on the axle slightly crooked, probably done during an amateur repair attempt.  This will cause a wobbly as well. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75096	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?

One traction band on each rear wheel. LBR On Saturday, August 2, 2014 12:41 AM, "jimensign50@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I have an AF 316 that has one traction tire on the rear left driver.  Should there also be one on the opposite side?  It has been converted to a can motor, but when it is pulling several cars, it seems to run a bit sideways down the track.  No loose rims or bent axles that I can find.  Any ideas? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75097	From: snstrains	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?

It most certainly should have two pullmor tires. Steve   In a message dated 8/1/2014 10:41:57 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I have an AF 316 that has one traction tire on the rear left driver.  Should there also be one on the opposite side?  It has been converted to a can motor, but when it is pulling several cars, it seems to run a bit sideways down the track.  No loose rims or bent axles that I can find.  Any ideas? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75098	From: traindavid	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Traction tire?

Yes Jim, your 316 should have a pull more wheel on both sides. Check with the "usual suspects" for one. Then it should go down the the tracks straight. David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75099	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?

I hate em! But there should be a slot for the tire. If there is none remove the tire and check diameters of the drivers. If they are all the same the tire does not belong. Tony Cynor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75100	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Fwd: [Bulk] [Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California] So You Want A M

enjoy mel perry Begin forwarded message: From: "dave@... [Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California]" <Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California@yahoogroups.com> Date: August 2, 2014 7:15:23 AM PDT To: Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Bulk] [Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California] So You Want A Model Railroad (Video) Reply-To: Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California@yahoogroups.com   The names have been changed to protect the innocent.  Joe McDoakes — So You Want a Model Railroad Joe McDoakes — So You Want a Model Railroad Theatrical short from 1955. View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75101	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: Brand new S Scale brass detail parts for sale

Attachments : S_Scale_Brass_Parts_Sale.pdf I am very happy to bring a group of new S Scale brass detail parts to market for a limited time. The order form is attached or is linked from the page with all the details here: http://www.lanestrains.com/S_Scale_Brass_Detail_Parts.htm I am giving this about 2-3 weeks for everyone to figure out what they want, get me their orders in hand, then I will be placing the production order, and at that point this project will be retired! If you blink you are going to miss it!   Please reply directly with any questions you have. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75102	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/2/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/3/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 3, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75103	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/3/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/3/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 3, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75104	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/3/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?

I've got a spare "tire" or band, whatever you want to call it, and can put it on the opposite side if the diameters are not equal.  I'm suspecting they are not.  I rotated the wheels by running it on the bench and all wheels seem to be running straight and true. Thanks to all that responded to my question.  Great group! Jim Ensign From: "'Ron Inscho' roninscho@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:05:04 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Traction tire?    an absent pullmore tire will do just that , replace it & all should be good   ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... [S-Trains] To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Traction tire?   I have an AF 316 that has one traction tire on the rear left driver.  Should there also be one on the opposite side?  It has been converted to a can motor, but when it is pulling several cars, it seems to run a bit sideways down the track.  No loose rims or bent axles that I can find.  Any ideas? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75105	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/3/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?

Thanks, Tony.  Will give it a try.  Anothwr reason to buy a good set of calipers! Jim E. From: "Anthony Cynor tonycynor@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2014 10:48:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Traction tire?   I hate em! But there should be a slot for the tire. If there is none remove the tire and check diameters of the drivers. If they are all the same the tire does not belong. Tony Cynor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75106	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/3/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?

Hi Doug Peck at Portlines may have them if not Tom seccia should have pulmor tires   Good luck stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Traction tire?     Thanks, Tony.  Will give it a try.  Anothwr reason to buy a good set of calipers! Jim E.   From: "Anthony Cynor tonycynor@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2014 10:48:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Traction tire?     I hate em! But there should be a slot for the tire. If there is none remove the tire and check diameters of the drivers. If they are all the same the tire does not belong. Tony Cynor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75107	From: traindavid	Date: 8/4/2014
Subject: Traction tire

Apparently there is some confusion about ACG steam locomotive driver wheels. There are multiple types of Driver wheels, Pre-pull-mor with a sub group of the special centers for the Northerns. These wheels have fairly small flanges, and are slightly smaller in diameter than the later pul-mor style wheels. The pul-mor style wheels are slightly larger in diameter, and come both with and without MOLDED ON traction material (there is no separate traction band). Once again, special centers for the Northerns, but that's not all; late in production the flanges were made larger. Finally there are the separate traction tire wheels--most of these are plastic, one-piece wheels, but the Hudsons and Northerns (5 digit) had aluminum large flanges. These plastic wheels were primarily used on the split-style chassis ( I don't put down an absolute here as ACG used up whatever was in hand!). Typically pul-mor traction wheels were on the rear axle; the one powered by the motor, the remaining wheels being driven by the side rods; but I have seen them on the front axle only too! Normally only one axle was given traction rims on a steam locomotive. ACG engines run on the outside wheels only; the non flanged center drive wheels are slightly smaller in diameter and are only "along for the ride." However, as engine axle bearings wear, they do sometimes run on the rails. Note that if you replace one flanged wheel on a pul-mor locomotive with one from a pre-pul-mor wheel, the locomotive will rock and derail easily. If you add pul-mor traction wheels on a pre-pul-mor locomotive, the locomotive will not sit level, it will be "nose down"--and you'll find the rear boiler mount projections will rub the wheel flange (another change ACG did, made them a bit shorter to clear the flanges. Don't ask me how I learned that one!! :) Not mentioned in this description (done entirely by memory, thus no dates given!) are the smaller wheels on the 0-8-0 and 0-6-0 engines, nor the variations on wheel centers--studs or tapped holes. The only locomotives with traction wheel on one side were the diesels. Early on ACG tried to fix this by adding contact sliders, then one axle of that chassis would have traction wheels on both sides on ONE axle. Hope this helps some. David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75108	From: kempfam	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: RMC

See this month's Railroad Model Craftsman (June issue) for its annual spread which promotes S. Ron Kemp Sent from Samsung tablet

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75109	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Hi-rail/AF Modular Standards?

 I am in the process of updating the BAAFC module standard relative to the total rebuild we did last year.  As others mentioned, mechanically our modules are compatible with the Atlantic Coast  S Gaugers and we do at least one combined show each year with their Washington and Old Dominion chapter.  Because of the nature of the storage and transport of our club owned modules and the number of shows we do each year our modules are rather sturdy (read somewhat heavy) but they are self contained with folding legs, an integral carrying handle, spring connectors for powering Gilbert style accessories and use alignment pins to speed setup.    The new standard will specify only the mechanical and electrical interfaces and a compatible appearance and leave construction materials for personal modules up to the discretion of the builder.  There will be a section on recommended practices based on the many years of experience with our frequent setups plus a section on duplicating our current module design if desired.    One of the things we have found is that, since we use original Flyer or K-Line track in rubber roadbed, Homosote or foam does not really work for us as you cannot solidly anchor the track down to it and the repeated handling of the modules works the track loose with time.   Kyle Russell BAAFC 447 NASG 06F0022E TCA 06-60660

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75110	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire

Thanks for your response.  Interesting information.  In my case, I decided to take off the one band to see if the wheel had a groove because the opposite wheel had none.  Indeed, the wheel with the band did not have a groove either.  After removing the band, the engine now appears to track straighter down the rails than it used to with one band only.  It remains to be seen if it will pull the same amount of cars. I do appreciate your time/effort in responding. Jim E. From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:29:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Traction tire   Apparently there is some confusion about ACG steam locomotive driver wheels. There are multiple types of Driver wheels, Pre-pull-mor with a sub group of the special centers for the Northerns. These wheels have fairly small flanges, and are slightly smaller in diameter than the later pul-mor style wheels. The pul-mor style wheels are slightly larger in diameter, and come both with and without MOLDED ON traction material (there is no separate traction band). Once again, special centers for the Northerns, but that's not all; late in production the flanges were made larger. Finally there are the separate traction tire wheels--most of these are plastic, one-piece wheels, but the Hudsons and Northerns (5 digit) had aluminum large flanges. These plastic wheels were primarily used on the split-style chassis ( I don't put down an absolute here as ACG used up whatever was in hand!). Typically pul-mor traction wheels were on the rear axle; the one powered by the motor, the remaining wheels being driven by the side rods; but I have seen them on the front axle only too! Normally only one axle was given traction rims on a steam locomotive. ACG engines run on the outside wheels only; the non flanged center drive wheels are slightly smaller in diameter and are only "along for the ride." However, as engine axle bearings wear, they do sometimes run on the rails. Note that if you replace one flanged wheel on a pul-mor locomotive with one from a pre-pul-mor wheel, the locomotive will rock and derail easily. If you add pul-mor traction wheels on a pre-pul-mor locomotive, the locomotive will not sit level, it will be "nose down"--and you'll find the rear boiler mount projections will rub the wheel flange (another change ACG did, made them a bit shorter to clear the flanges. Don't ask me how I learned that one!! :) Not mentioned in this description (done entirely by memory, thus no dates given!) are the smaller wheels on the 0-8-0 and 0-6-0 engines, nor the variations on wheel centers--studs or tapped holes. The only locomotives with traction wheel on one side were the diesels. Early on ACG tried to fix this by adding contact sliders, then one axle of that chassis would have traction wheels on both sides on ONE axle. Hope this helps some. David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75111	From: snstrains	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire

It most surely will not pull the same amount of cars without the pullmor bands. Steve Boise   In a message dated 8/5/2014 2:16:24 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Thanks for your response.  Interesting information.  In my case, I decided to take off the one band to see if the wheel had a groove because the opposite wheel had none.  Indeed, the wheel with the band did not have a groove either.  After removing the band, the engine now appears to track straighter down the rails than it used to with one band only.  It remains to be seen if it will pull the same amount of cars. I do appreciate your time/effort in responding. Jim E. From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:29:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Traction tire   Apparently there is some confusion about ACG steam locomotive driver wheels. There are multiple types of Driver wheels, Pre-pull-mor with a sub group of the special centers for the Northerns. These wheels have fairly small flanges, and are slightly smaller in diameter than the later pul-mor style wheels. The pul-mor style wheels are slightly larger in diameter, and come both with and without MOLDED ON traction material (there is no separate traction band). Once again, special centers for the Northerns, but that's not al l; late in production the flanges were made larger. Finally there are the separate traction tire wheels--most of these are plastic, one-piece wheels, but the Hudsons and Northerns (5 digit) had aluminum large flanges. These plastic wheels were primarily used on the split-style chassis ( I don't put down an absolute here as ACG used up whatever was in hand!). Typically pul-mor traction wheels were on the rear axle; the one powered by the motor, the remaining wheels being driven by the side rods; but I have seen them on the front axle only too! Normally only one axle was given traction rims on a steam locomotive. ACG engines run on the outside wheels only; the non flanged center drive wheels are slightly smaller in diameter and are only "along for the ride." However, as engine axle bearings wear, they do sometimes run on the rails. Note that if you replace one flanged wheel on a pul-mor locomotive with one from a pre-pul-mor wheel, the locomotive will rock and derail easily. If you add pul-mor traction wheels on a pre-pul-mor locomotive, the locomotive will not sit level, it will be "nose down"--and you'll find the rear boiler mount projections will rub the wheel flange (another change ACG did, made them a bit shorter to clear the flanges. Don't ask me how I learned that one!! :) Not mentioned in this description (done entirely by memory, thus no dates given!) are the smaller wheels on the 0-8-0 and 0-6-0 engines, nor the variations on wheel centers--studs or tapped holes. The only locomotives with traction wheel on one side were the diesels. Early on ACG tried to fix this by adding contact sliders, then one axle of that chassis would have traction wheels on both sides on ONE axle. Hope this helps some. David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75112	From: alan smith	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire

A little addition to what has been told about traction. - Pros and -- add on --- cons The original AF traction /Pulmore traction band wheels are a must IF you have any grades to climb.  My original layout was fairly flat.  Then I added trestles and grades to it.   The non-traction engines ran fine on the flat - BUt once they had to pull a grade - not so good !  The consist had to be shortened considerably.  There are replacement rims out there that have the groove machined in them for traction. The glue on traction bands can create problems --- IF the flanges are short it will likely derail easily on a curve when dragging a consist.  They are not a long lasting addition as the rims do not have a groove and the glue will come loose after a period of time.  I  personally did not have a good experience using "Frog Snot".  I have a large motor 336 {without traction} that would pull 30/ 40 cars on the flat  but NOT over the new trestle.  Note: The trestle is extended over a span of about 14 ft with four { flyer} curves before it reaches the flat again. I added traction to the four drive wheels --- now it will pull anything U hang behind it over the mountain and thru the woods so to  speak . It has so much traction U had better be alert with starting a long consist else U will derail any and all cars that are situated on a curve. I have a 2-6-2 with the original traction on the front axle only - Which I'm told was a NOT a normal offering from Flyer. This engine will break traction if stopped on a grade and too much throttle is applied starting the load. But, it will recover quickly and drag the consist over the hump. It's a rather neat thing to watch as U can imagine an engineer applying sand to gain traction.  Happy railroading to all - add more coal to the boiler and make smoke.   S gauge forever! Old A in Ohio On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:08 PM, boss31@... [S-Trains] wrote:   It most surely will not pull the same amount of cars without the pullmor bands. Steve Boise   In a message dated 8/5/2014 2:16:24 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Thanks for your response.  Interesting information.  In my case, I decided to take off the one band to see if the wheel had a groove because the opposite wheel had none.  Indeed, the wheel with the band did not have a groove either.  After removing the band, the engine now appears to track straighter down the rails than it used to with one band only.  It remains to be seen if it will pull the same amount of cars. I do appreciate your time/effort in responding. Jim E. From: "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:29:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Traction tire   Apparently there is some confusion about ACG steam locomotive driver wheels. There are multiple types of Driver wheels, Pre-pull-mor with a sub group of the special centers for the Northerns. These wheels have fairly small flanges, and are slightly smaller in diameter than the later pul-mor style wheels. The pul-mor style wheels are slightly larger in diameter, and come both with and without MOLDED ON traction material (there is no separate traction band). Once again, special centers for the Northerns, but that's not al l; late in production the flanges were made larger. Finally there are the separate traction tire wheels--most of these are plastic, one-piece wheels, but the Hudsons and Northerns (5 digit) had aluminum large flanges. These plastic wheels were primarily used on the split-style chassis ( I don't put down an absolute here as ACG used up whatever was in hand!). Typically pul-mor traction wheels were on the rear axle; the one powered by the motor, the remaining wheels being driven by the side rods; but I have seen them on the front axle only too! Normally only one axle was given traction rims on a steam locomotive. ACG engines run on the outside wheels only; the non flanged center drive wheels are slightly smaller in diameter and are only "along for the ride." However, as engine axle bearings wear, they do sometimes run on the rails. Note that if you replace one flanged wheel on a pul-mor locomotive with one from a pre-pul-mor wheel, the locomotive will rock and derail easily. If you add pul-mor traction wheels on a pre-pul-mor locomotive, the locomotive will not sit level, it will be "nose down"--and you'll find the rear boiler mount projections will rub the wheel flange (another change ACG did, made them a bit shorter to clear the flanges. Don't ask me how I learned that one!! :) Not mentioned in this description (done entirely by memory, thus no dates given!) are the smaller wheels on the 0-8-0 and 0-6-0 engines, nor the variations on wheel centers--studs or tapped holes. The only locomotives with traction wheel on one side were the diesels. Early on ACG tried to fix this by adding contact sliders, then one axle of that chassis would have traction wheels on both sides on ONE axle. Hope this helps some. David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75113	From: Paul	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire

Jim, I have read and been tempted to try BullFrog Snot, but not yet pulled the trigger.  Maybe we can get an opinion or two from the forum as to whether or not it is worthwhile. As Steve said, spinning steel wheels won't pull as much as even just one tire did, but maybe this will be an answer and still keep the engine level and pulling straight. http://www.bullfrogsnot.com/index.asp On 8/5/2014 2:38 PM, jimensign50@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Thanks for your response.  Interesting information.  In my case, I decided to take off the one band to see if the wheel had a groove because the opposite wheel had none.  Indeed, the wheel with the band did not have a groove either.  After removing the band, the engine now appears to track straighter down the rails than it used to with one band only.  It remains to be seen if it will pull the same amount of cars. I do appreciate your time/effort in responding. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75114	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?

There’s a little confusion on this topic. The earliest Gilbert AF S-gauge engines had no rubber traction surfaces at all….neither steam or diesel. Then Gilbert introduced the “Pullmor” traction wheels. These had vulcanized rubber permanently adhered to the steam wheel tread; any engine having these---including the 316--- would have two such wheels. On diesels, the vulcanized rubber surface covered the tread as well as the face of the wheel. Both of these have been reproduced as steam rims (used to rebuild your original wheels), and as complete diesel wheels. These repro wheels are vulcanized, like originals. There are also glue-on bands available for both. These are glued to the wheel tread after completely removing all old rubber. Yes, they are cheaper, but they won’t last as long either, under heavy use. Then in the later years, Gilbert designed new traction wheels for both steam and diesel. These wheels had the grooved tread and a thick snap-in rubber band which is easily removed and replaced. Lionel and American Models still use this design on their AF engines. These bands are reproduced and available as well. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75115	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 8/5/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire [1 Attachment]

Attachments :  I have tried the Bullfrog Snot on my wife's Royal Blue conversion to an uprated Circus engine w/ smoke and a can motor.    Per Doug Peck this stuff is actually designed for H0 gauge and does not hold up well under the weight of S gauge engines.   On the flat before the application it could just pull the 12 car mixed circus consist but spun the wheels enough to polish the drivers.  After a double application (per Doug's recommendation) it pulled great but stated shredding after only two shows of two days and about 8 hours total run time, just like Doug warned.   Kyle   -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 6:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Traction tire [1 Attachment]   Jim, I have read and been tempted to try BullFrog Snot, but not yet pulled the trigger.  Maybe we can get an opinion or two from the forum as to whether or not it is worthwhile. As Steve said, spinning steel wheels won't pull as much as even just one tire did, but maybe this will be an answer and still keep the engine level and pulling straight. http://www.bullfrogsnot.com/index.asp On 8/5/2014 2:38 PM, jimensign50@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Thanks for your response.  Interesting information.  In my case, I decided to take off the one band to see if the wheel had a groove because the opposite wheel had none.  Indeed, the wheel with the band did not have a groove either.  After removing the band, the engine now appears to track straighter down the rails than it used to with one band only.  It remains to be seen if it will pull the same amount of cars. I do appreciate your time/effort in responding. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75116	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/6/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire

I wondered about using frog snot.  Had read about it before.  Thanks for sharing your experience.  Guess I'll skip it for now. Jim E. From: "'Kyle Russell' kbrussel@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 6:18:01 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Traction tire    I have tried the Bullfrog Snot on my wife's Royal Blue conversion to an uprated Circus engine w/ smoke and a can motor.    Per Doug Peck this stuff is actually designed for H0 gauge and does not hold up well under the weight of S gauge engines.   On the flat before the application it could just pull the 12 car mixed circus consist but spun the wheels enough to polish the drivers.  After a double application (per Doug's recommendation) it pulled great but stated shredding after only two shows of two days and about 8 hours total run time, just like Doug warned.   Kyle   -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 6:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Traction tire [1 Attachment]   Jim, I have read and been tempted to try BullFrog Snot, but not yet pulled the trigger.  Maybe we can get an opinion or two from the forum as to whether or not it is worthwhile. As Steve said, spinning steel wheels won't pull as much as even just one tire did, but maybe this will be an answer and still keep the engine level and pulling straight. http://www.bullfrogsnot.com/index.asp On 8/5/2014 2:38 PM, jimensign50@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Thanks for your response.  Interesting information.  In my case, I decided to take off the one band to see if the wheel had a groove because the opposite wheel had none.  Indeed, the wheel with the band did not have a groove either.  After removing the band, the engine now appears to track straighter down the rails than it used to with one band only.  It remains to be seen if it will pull the same amount of cars. I do appreciate your time/effort in responding. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75117	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/6/2014
Subject: Re: Traction tire?

Thanks for the complete answer, Doug.  Sounds like a more in-depth repair is more preferable than glueing on a couple bands. Jim From: "'Doug Peck' doug@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:24:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Traction tire?   There’s a little confusion on this topic. The earliest Gilbert AF S-gauge engines had no rubber traction surfaces at all….neither steam or diesel. Then Gilbert introduced the “Pullmor” traction wheels. These had vulcanized rubber permanently adhered to the steam wheel tread; any engine having these---including the 316--- would have two such wheels. On diesels, the vulcanized rubber surface covered the tread as well as the face of the wheel. Both of these have been reproduced as steam rims (used to rebuild your original wheels), and as complete diesel wheels. These repro wheels are vulcanized, like originals. There are also glue-on bands available for both. These are glued to the wheel tread after completely removing all old rubber. Yes, they are cheaper, but they won’t last as long either, under heavy use. Then in the later years, Gilbert designed new traction wheels for both steam and diesel. These wheels had the grooved tread and a thick snap-in rubber band which is easily removed and replaced. Lionel and American Models still use this design on their AF engines. These bands are reproduced and available as well. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75118	From: Ingram-James-Yahoo-Groups14	Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Video: S Ga. Demo of DCC-Bitswitch 'Block BitSwitch'

Subject: Video: S Ga. Demo of DCC-Bitswitch 'Block BitSwitch' - The FIRST video below is all S gauge. I have recently uploaded 3 videos that demonstrate 'Automatic Train Control' -- using DCC-Bitswitch (http://DccBitswitch.com). There are links to both Vimeo and Youtube versions. Vimeo usually has a slightly LARGER viewing window than Youtube, but Vimeo may not play on mobile devices. Note, if you want to SKIP OVER the introductory talking parts of the videos, there are links in the text descriptions underneath the video -- that allow you to skip directly to the DEMO parts. |~~~~~~ A LITTLE ABOUT DCC-BITSWITCH: The Dcc-Bitswitch controls smoothly stop DCC locomotives by suddenly changing the track current from DCC to "reverse" DC. Decoders that follow the NMRA Recommended Practice RP-9.2.4 will smoothly decelerate the locomotive to a stop when they detect DC current instead of the DCC signal. Then, when track current later changes back to DCC, the decoder will smoothly accelerate the locomotive back to its original speed. // Dcc-Bitswitch works with all DCC command-control systems and all DCC decoders that follow the NMRA standards. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | VIDEO 1: #809 Block BitSwitch - S gauge: |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/101688418 Youtube: http://youtu.be/szpqyxOlmWI *This video demonstrates the connection and operation of a DCC-Bitswitch 'Block Bitswitch', being used to automatically control two DCC S gauge trains, operating on a 'dogbone' loop of track (one S Helper and one American Models chassis, then the same S Helper and a 1950's era Gilbert K4). |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | VIDEO 2: #808 Block BitSwitch - Largescale: |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/78804278 Youtube: http://youtu.be/NqOVOSh8dbg *This video is SIMILAR to the above Video #1, except the demonstration is done in Largescale instead of S gauge. (Note introductory Parts 1-7 are the same for the S gauge video and the Largescale Video (videos #808 & #809.) *This video demonstrates the connection and operation of a DCC-Bitswitch 'Block Bitswitch', being used to automatically control two Largescale trains, operating on a loop with a 30 degree crossover. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | VIDEO 3: #807, RP 9.2.4: "DCC Brake on Analog DC" |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/78873474 Youtube: http://youtu.be/1yDZ_EYP7yU * This video demonstrates National Model RR Assoc. (NMRA) RP 9.2.4, aka "DCC Brake on Analog DC". This RP requires that a DCC locomotive running on normal DCC track power, upon encountering (reverse) polarity DC - should slow to a stop with normal CV4 deceleration. When DCC is restored, it should smoothly accelerate with normal CV3 acceleration until it reaches its specified speed. * The test layout uses a DCC-Bitswitch "DC Brake Signal Generator" to suddenly change the track current from DCC to DC -- demonstrated with first two HO locomotives, then 2 S gauge locomotives, and then 3 G scale locomotives. |-------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Thanks. James Ingram, AutoControls Volunteer Webmaster | Voice Mail 570-322-7597 // Williamsport PA, Apache Junction AZ | http://AutoControls.org // http://JamesIngram.net |-------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75119	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Cowcatcher"

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we take a look at several locomotive appliances and how they evolved, starting with the engine pilot which has acquired a slang name of "Cowcatcher."  You may be surprised at some of these. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75120	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Book Promotion

Last night I taped a podcast for "The Model Railcast Show" to promote my new book, "Commuter Operations for Model Railroads".  I had a great time, and I can't wait to listen to the finished show.  Broadcast date TBD.  I also plugged Dick Karnes's book that I published, "Work Extra: 15 Useful Tips for Model Railroaders."  Both are available as e-books at www.rlnpublishing.com/e-books.html.  Did you get your copies, yet?   Bob Nalbone RLN Publishing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75121	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: new YouTube Clip

Here is my new YouTube clip  http://youtu.be/Nkd0LA_pAsA with a massive train on my layout.  It is among other things many of the cars I have painted all in 1 large train! Please give it a look.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75122	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: "Out of the Woods Part Six posted

We have come to the end of the trail with this installment of "Out of the Woods" on Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website.  (http://myflyertrains.org)  In this episode we complete the logging "Outhouse Caboose," and as usual, it's a project anyone can do. Next month we leave logging and return to old Flyer locomotive kit bashing with the beginning of the 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler project. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75123	From: wb4hay	Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: Kadee Couplers

After reading some of the helpful comments here, I decided to at least try Kadee couplers on my layout. I ordered 4 sets of couplers and got 2 SHS and a AM car to try them out on and a uncoupler. It was not safe to be in the train room with me. I had to ask my wife to leave on pain of her being struck by the flying draw bar springs. I then called my veterinarian and he took one look and politely refused, even though he deals with much smaller details in his operations.Not deterred, I pressed on. As the last spring of the group disappeared with a tiny sproing, I accepted I needed expert help. I sent Kadee an email and asked if there wasn't already assembled 802's because I had run across already assembled HO couplers.      I got an unbelievably friendly answer back from Sam Clark of Kadee, and he said that unfortunately he was saying the "S Gauge Litany". As we are the seemingly most unpopulated gauge, Kadee was hesitant to devote the time and money to developing the assembled version. The fact that model railroading is peopled with abundant snow on the roof is understood and the eyesight and physical coordination lacking is known, but if we treated the spring problem just like a Pacific or an early Miller's reefer, and created the demand and let them know, then they would look to be as accomodating as they possibly could.     Guys, I for one would be more than willing to add to the present price to get an already assembled version of the 802. By the time I get the 30 or so cars converted, I am gonna have a chunk of money invested in draw bar springs. ALSO, at the present time and assembly rate, I will have 1/3 of my cars completed somewhere close to 2015.I sure wish all those of you who espouse the virtues of Kadee couplers would consider letting them know we will support assembled versions of the two S gauge couplers. Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75124	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: Kadee Couplers

There is a learning curve to them.  I also had a time assembling them.  There is a tool you can get that helps you pick up and hold the springs.  I got it and now have little trouble assembling them. I'm surprised you were not told about it.  Also useful for the On3 couplers which are essentially the same. Ted Weiler Weatherford, TX

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75125	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: Re: Kadee Couplers

The pick up tool is a BIG help :) Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2014 14:01:18 -0700 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Kadee Couplers            There is a learning curve to them.  I also had a time assembling them.  There is a tool you can get that helps you pick up and hold the springs.  I got it and now have little trouble assembling them. I'm surprised you were not told about it.  Also useful for the On3 couplers which are essentially the same. Ted Weiler Weatherford, TX

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75126	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/10/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 10, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75127	From: snstrains	Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: Kadee Couplers

Kadee #5s work perfectly on S. I have used them since 1999 on all of the freight cars I run on my Hi-rail layout. AND they are easy to assemble....They also couple just fine with the 802s.   Steve Boise   In a message dated 8/9/2014 2:07:14 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:    After reading some of the helpful comments here, I decided to at least try Kadee couplers on my layout. I ordered 4 sets of couplers and got 2 SHS and a AM car to try them out on and a uncoupler. It was not safe to be in the train room with me. I had to ask my wife to leave on pain of her being struck by the flying draw bar springs. I then called my veterinarian and he took one look and politely refused, even though he deals with much smaller details in his operations.Not deterred, I pressed on. As the last spring of the group disappeared with a tiny sproing, I accepted I needed expert help. I sent Kadee an email and asked if there wasn't already assembled 802's because I had run across already assembled HO couplers.      I got an unbelievably friendly answer back from Sam Clark of Kadee, and he said that unfortunately he was saying the "S Gauge Litany". As we are the seemingly most unpopulated gauge, Kadee was hesitant to devote the time and money to developing the assembled version. The fact that model railroading is peopled with abundant snow on the roof is understood and the eyesight and physical coordination lacking is known, but if we treated the spring problem just like a Pacific or an early Miller's reefer, and created the demand and let them know, then they would look to be as accomodating as they possibly could.     Guys, I for one would be more than willing to add to the present price to get an already assembled version of the 802. By the time I get the 30 or so cars converted, I am gonna have a chunk of money invested in draw bar springs. ALSO, at the present time and assembly rate, I will have 1/3 of my cars completed somewhere close to 2015.I sure wish all those of you who espouse the virtues of Kadee couplers would consider letting them know we will support assembled versions of the two S gauge couplers. Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75128	From: markaflyer	Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: Kadee Couplers

I have found that when assembling things with small springs.... if you first run a fine sewing thread through the spring and then assemble the part,  the thread can usually be pulled out of the assemble piece.  This way the "tethered" spring will not fly too far.   Mark Anderman From: "Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2014 6:08:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Kadee Couplers   The pick up tool is a BIG help :) Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2014 14:01:18 -0700 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Kadee Couplers            There is a learning curve to them.  I also had a time assembling them.  There is a tool you can get that helps you pick up and hold the springs.  I got it and now have little trouble assembling them. I'm surprised you were not told about it.  Also useful for the On3 couplers which are essentially the same. Ted Weiler Weatherford, TX

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75129	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: Kadee Couplers

You could start an aftermarket business assembling them and then selling. :-) Tony Cynor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75130	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/10/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 10, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75131	From: rlgriggs@bellsouth.net	Date: 8/13/2014
Subject: Parts to operate 'S' Flyonel cylindrical hoppers on hi-rail track

I read in the NASG (National Association S-Gaugers) August-September 2014 'Dispatch' magazine (on page 24) that Mr. Rudy Trubitt, Director of Audio for Lionel, said: "...if you purchased the cylindrical hoppers, call customer service in August and they will provide the parts you need to operate them on hi-rail track at no cost." So, I contacted Lionel via their 'Talk To Us' contact form on the WEB at Lionel.com. Today I received a reply from Mr. Mike Reagan at Lionel which follows: "From: Mike Reagan <MReagan@...> To: Randall Griggs Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:13 PM Subject: RE: Parts to operate 'S' cylindrical hoppers on hi-rail track "Randall, Yes, the following statement is true; "...if you purchased the cylindrical hoppers, call customer service in August and they will provide the parts you need to operate them on hi-rail track at no cost."   "Please contact Customer Service at 586-949-4100 ext 2 8a-5p EDT.  "The parts we are providing is 6408639100. It is a replacement coupler and bracket that mounts to your existing trucks (and subsequently replaces the coupler it was delivered with, that creates the derailing issue).  "Thank you, Mike Reagan LIONEL L.L.C "Mike Reagan Director of Project Management & Customer Service 6301 Performance Dr | Concord, NC 28027 (586)-421-9190 (o) | (704)-455-8940 (f)"   Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75132	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/14/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.con I take up the "Race Team Alliance." This is a group of the top nine teams in NASCAR's Sprint Cup division who claim to be organizing to save money and share growing costs.  However, no smaller teams or teams which run only in the other two "premier" classes are invited to the RTA party, which seems rather suspicious if cost cutting is the aim, who else needs it more than the smaller teams? The whole story today is at STUMPY'S MACHINE. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75133	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: Re: Parts to operate 'S' Flyonel cylindrical hoppers on hi-rail trac

I called them and found that calling does no good. What you need to do is send them proof of purchase, some sort of paid receipt or invoice or packing list. Fax it to 330-286-4146 or scan and email to talktous@.... Make sure you include your mailing address, email address, and what it is you're asking for. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 13, 2014, at 8:20 PM, "rlgriggs@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I read in the NASG (National Association S-Gaugers) August-September 2014 'Dispatch' magazine (on page 24) that Mr. Rudy Trubitt, Director of Audio for Lionel, said: "...if you purchased the cylindrical hoppers, call customer service in August and they will provide the parts you need to operate them on hi-rail track at no cost." So, I contacted Lionel via their 'Talk To Us' contact form on the WEB at Lionel.com. Today I received a reply from Mr. Mike Reagan at Lionel which follows: "From: Mike Reagan <MReagan@...> To: Randall Griggs Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:13 PM Subject: RE: Parts to operate 'S' cylindrical hoppers on hi-rail track "Randall, Yes, the following statement is true; "...if you purchased the cylindrical hoppers, call customer service in August and they will provide the parts you need to operate them on hi-rail track at no cost."   "Please contact Customer Service at 586-949-4100 ext 2 8a-5p EDT.  "The parts we are providing is 6408639100. It is a replacement coupler and bracket that mounts to your existing trucks (and subsequently replaces the coupler it was delivered with, that creates the derailing issue).  "Thank you, Mike Reagan LIONEL L.L.C "Mike Reagan Director of Project Management & Customer Service 6301 Performance Dr | Concord, NC 28027 (586)-421-9190 (o) | (704)-455-8940 (f)"   Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75134	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: For Sale: Complete Gilbert Flyer 20515 Reliable Freight Set C-6 in O

The set is complete, including instruction sheet, manual uncoupler, transformer, track terminal, and track. I've even thrown in two wires to connect the transformer to the track terminal. The box is pretty beat up but the engine and cars are solid C-6 to C-7. The engine runs and smokes great. The 2-position reversing switch is extraordinarily reliable - I haven't had it fail once. The TM Guide lists it at $300. I figure $200 is a fair adjustment for condition. Pictures available on request. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75135	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 8/16/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

 There is a typo in the URL, it should be http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com , not .con !   Kyle -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)   Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.con I take up the "Race Team Alliance." This is a group of the top nine teams in NASCAR's Sprint Cup division who claim to be organizing to save money and share growing costs.  However, no smaller teams or teams which run only in the other two "premier" classes are invited to the RTA party, which seems rather suspicious if cost cutting is the aim, who else needs it more than the smaller teams? The whole story today is at STUMPY'S MACHINE. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75136	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/16/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/17/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 17, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75137	From: Roger Walton	Date: 8/16/2014
Subject: has all S-trains message traffic stopped?

Has all S-Trains message traffic stopped?  I haven’t seen any daily digests (the way I receive the message traffic) in at least 5 days.  Very unusual!  Maybe everyone is just enjoying the beautiful summer weather like we are having in southcentral PA and not posting any messages.  Please advise.  Thanks.   Roger Walton Mechanicsburg, PA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75138	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Chas Ro deals

There not having been much activity lately in this group, I'll throw this out.  It seems Charles Ro is having some kind of blow-out sale.  I've already ordered something.  You all might also be interested.   See http://www.charlesro.com/aftaxfree1.html   Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75139	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: The lack of messages

No need to panic, this happens from time to time, things just get slow.  There are different reasons for this:  As you suspected, folks are just busy this time of year, and even year around model railroaders have to do yard work and so on. This is traditionally "vacation" time as well.  You'll also note lulls in the "action" periodically on S Trains because this is a fully Moderated Yahoo Group.  The Moderators have lives too! If you also frequent Yahoo Groups pertaining to other scales, you must remember that S gauge (including both toy and scale) is a "minority scale" and therefore has less traffic to start with.  However, I'm a "rubber gauger" (someone who works in more than one scale at the same time) and traffic is down elsewhere as well, especially during the better weather times. Model railroading as a hobby is aging, so all our numbers are declining due to fixed incomes, health problems, and death.  Being of small numbers, S will see fluctuations in activity more often than other scales' Groups.  I have noticed on Yahoo Groups that membership and activity has declined since Yahoo's ill advised change of format last September.  Yahoo is no longer number one with many people because they've found other forums that remained more "user friendly" to be active on.  For instance, I'm down to only four Yahoo Groups now after being in a record number of 19 about a year ago! (I have many interests beside trains.) Still, there is no need to panic.  Being a minority scale, there may be fewer of us and less traffic from time to time, but we're a close knit bunch as well.  What information and discussion appears, is more rapidly spread among S gaugers for that reason.  I know more S gaugers face to face than in any other scale I've worked in over the past fifty plus years, and am certainly in e-mail contact with more of them than in any other scale. So things will pick up, just be patient.  As my mother used to tell me; "go play with your trains!"  (Or as the wife says it; "the grass needs mowed, there's a tree in the backyard that needs trimmed, the door knob on the bathroom is loose, when are you going to take me to lunch again it's been a whole three days............."  ;-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75140	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/17/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 17, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75141	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Re: THE LACK OF MESSAGES

I have found that my smoke fluid sales drop in the summer months to next to nothing. I agree with Stumpy, that weather has a lot to do with it. In the fall, sales pick up & in the winter they peak. I think a lot of users stay in their houses & start to attend to their hobbies. Mike in Ore.   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75142	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: KCS hoppers

I was pleased to see that the NASG 2015 convention car is a KCS covered hopper! Finally, something appropriate to run behind my Flyonel KCS engine. And add to that the convention is in KC and I won’t even have shipping charges :) Roy From: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:22:58 -0400 To: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Subject: {S-Scale List} SouthWind Parts            I am in the process of buying a S/W 2-8-0 with AF flanges.  Did Jetty ever import extra parts when he did the runs? As in, ideally, extra scale drivers? Jace Kahn General Manager Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75143	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Upcoming Model Railcast Show Podcast

Hello.  An early edition link to show #203 of The Model Railcast Show podcast will be available tomorrow.  I am the guest, and I'll be discussing my book, "Commuter Operations for Model Railroads", as well as activities at The Model Railroad Club, Inc. in Union, NJ.  I hope everyone here tunes in (and buys the book, if you haven't already done so)! Bob Nalbone Home Home   About Us   View on rlnpublishing.com Preview by Yahoo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75145	From: Frank	Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: Fasttrack 90 Crossover issue

LTI doesn't test.  Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2014, at 10:01 AM, "ot7@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   In figure 8 layout no easy way to hook up power. Need a 20R curve terminal track. Flyonel rolling stock wheelsets ride up over rail guides. Have to test and regauge wheelsets to function. Lionel should provide a no cost tool to do this. Looks like Lionel does not test products for function.   100% S-Helper Hi-rail rolling stock function.   My 632 Hopper,625Tank car,630 caboose function. AC Gilbert get's it right.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75146	From: lx5043	Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Lionel Automatic Crossing Gate #252

I visited a flea market over the weekend and picked up a Lionel Automatic Crossing Gate #252 for onle a few dollars. It was very dirty but other wise in excellent condition. I believe it was made in 1950. After dissembly and cleaning I hooked it up to a tranformer to test it and low and behold the light worked and it went up and down. I know from finding the original instructions on the web that it should work with a contactor or control button, but had all mine boxed and put away right now. What I would like to know is when it is activated by a contactor or control button should it stay down or go down and come right back up again? If anyone could shed some light on that I would appreciate it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75149	From: afot7	Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Fasttrack 90 crossover issues

Flyonel rolling stock wheelsets ride up over rail guides. Have to test and regauge wheelsets to function. Lionel should provide a no cost tool to do this. Looks like Lionel does not test products for function.   100% S-Helper Hi-rail rolling stock function.   My 632 Hopper,625Tank car,630 caboose function. AC Gilbert get's it right.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75150	From: paflyrman	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)

Has anyone placed and received a parts order with HSS within the last month? I have been waiting almost a month for a parts order. They don't answer my emails and don't answer the phone. Their website says they generally ship within 3-4 days from receiving an order, or they will contact you about any delays. This is not happening in my case.   Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75151	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)

Attachments : Hi Herb call the store directly and ask for Steve Amato 860 229 9069 I know his wife was sick for a while the store located in New Britain Connecticut Good Luck Stan Sobieski   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)     Has anyone placed and received a parts order with HSS within the last month? I have been waiting almost a month for a parts order. They don't answer my emails and don't answer the phone. Their website says they generally ship within 3-4 days from receiving an order, or they will contact you about any delays. This is not happening in my case.   Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75152	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Fwd: [citrusmodeling] Moderator’s Warning: Bogus Yahoo Mail Messag

SCAM ALERT**********BEWARE*********** Begin forwarded message: From: "thecitrusbelt@... [citrusmodeling]" <citrusmodeling@yahoogroups.com> Date: August 19, 2014 7:48:12 AM PDT To: <citrusmodeling@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [citrusmodeling] Moderator’s Warning: Bogus Yahoo Mail Message Reply-To: citrusmodeling@yahoogroups.com   Some of you may have received a message, supposedly from Yahoo, that reads:   “These is to inform you that there was an attempt to log in your account from an unrecognized location which we blocked. We kindly mandate that you Upgrade the security of your mail.”   Do not respond to this e-mail by giving the sender your personal Yahoo account information.  The sender is attempting to steal your account information.   Bob Chaparro Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75153	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)

Which parts do you need.email me seccia@... or call me 484-251-1646. I can ship the parts next day. I'll be on vacation next week so contact me as soon as possible if you need parts this week.                                              Tom Seccia                                                  Triple"S"Supplies On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 11:35 AM, "hblanier@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Has anyone placed and received a parts order with HSS within the last month? I have been waiting almost a month for a parts order. They don't answer my emails and don't answer the phone. Their website says they generally ship within 3-4 days from receiving an order, or they will contact you about any delays. This is not happening in my case.   Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75154	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Automatic Crossing Gate #252

Hi John, A lot of Lionel accessories can be activated using the outside (usually common or ground) rails. One is insulated at both ends of the activation section. The accessory is connected to it for the common side. The hot side is connected to the accessory. Then the conductive wheels and axles of locos and rolling stock become the contact to close the circuit. No additional track side item is required. Pretty cool if you can stand the thought of three rails. Another possibility is to use a TAD (Track Activation Device) from Lionel or MTH. I have successfully utilized an MTH iTAD to activate accessories. They come in a couple of styles. Both include NO and NC contacts as well as some debouncing (delay) logic to smooth things out. The MTH versions allow for some sensitivity adjustments. That allows the device to be a little farther away from the tracks. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 8/18/2014 1:54 PM, johnpalm@... [S-Trains] wrote: I visited a flea market over the weekend and picked up a Lionel Automatic Crossing Gate #252 for onle a few dollars. It was very dirty but other wise in excellent condition. I believe it was made in 1950. After dissembly and cleaning I hooked it up to a tranformer to test it and low and behold the light worked and it went up and down. I know from finding the original instructions on the web that it should work with a contactor or control button, but had all mine boxed and put away right now. What I would like to know is when it is activated by a contactor or control button should it stay down or go down and come right back up again? If anyone could shed some light on that I would appreciate it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75155	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)

there was a notice posted on epay, that the owner would be away until 8/20, and that order's might be delayed, but nothing to the effect, that the store was closed mel perry On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:07 AM, 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi Herb call the store directly and ask for Steve Amato 860 229 9069 I know his wife was sick for a while the store located in New Britain Connecticut Good Luck Stan Sobieski   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)     Has anyone placed and received a parts order with HSS within the last month? I have been waiting almost a month for a parts order. They don't answer my emails and don't answer the phone. Their website says they generally ship within 3-4 days from receiving an order, or they will contact you about any delays. This is not happening in my case.   Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75156	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Lemax Spooky town Trolley

Hi All, I haven't posted in a while.  I had a triple bypass four weeks ago using the off-pump procedure.  I'm fully recovered and back to work full time. I picked up the Lemax Spooky Town trolley today at Michaels because it looked very close to S-gauge.  I put it on the layout and it tracks perfectly, goes around curves, goes over un-couplers and goes through most switches with just a little bit of bottom dragging. I'll post a video to YouTube when I get some time and then post a link here. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75157	From: Dave	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lemax Spooky town Trolley

Congrats on you successful recovery. May your Beat on, and keep those trains running!     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lemax Spooky town Trolley     Hi All, I haven't posted in a while.  I had a triple bypass four weeks ago using the off-pump procedure.  I'm fully recovered and back to work full time.   I picked up the Lemax Spooky Town trolley today at Michaels because it looked very close to S-gauge.  I put it on the layout and it tracks perfectly, goes around curves, goes over un-couplers and goes through most switches with just a little bit of bottom dragging.   I'll post a video to YouTube when I get some time and then post a link here.   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75158	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: Lemax Spooky town Trolley

While they were in there doing the triple-bypass, did you request an upgrade to a can motor?  LOL  Glad everything worked out for you. Speaking of Spooky Town items, did you see the RR crossing signal?  It looks close to "S" as well. Jim E. From: "bull_gator_1@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:22:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lemax Spooky town Trolley   Hi All, I haven't posted in a while.  I had a triple bypass four weeks ago using the off-pump procedure.  I'm fully recovered and back to work full time. I picked up the Lemax Spooky Town trolley today at Michaels because it looked very close to S-gauge.  I put it on the layout and it tracks perfectly, goes around curves, goes over un-couplers and goes through most switches with just a little bit of bottom dragging. I'll post a video to YouTube when I get some time and then post a link here. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75159	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: Lemax Spooky town Trolley

 The switch issue is why I modified my wife's Lemax trolley as our club's modular layout has a plethora of switches.  The reversing reed switch housing protrudes below rail head height and so hits the movable rails.  It does the same thing on crossings.   First, remove the bottom, just 3 screws and a 2 pin wiring plug, but be careful and to not lose the separate worm gear shaft bushing, without it it will not run!    Using a Dermal plastic cutoff wheel CAREFULLY, so as to not damage the reed switch circuit board, cut off the protruding reed switch housing cover flush with the bottom of motor/speaker housing.  Cut the 2 plastic posts and separate the circuit board from the plastic cover and hot glue the board back into the original housing flush with the cutoff bottom.  Reassembly is a snap and it now will run over the switches and crossings too and still work with the original Lemax magnetic reversing track.   P.S.  The trolley always starts in forward so direction is not an issue.   P.P.S. Haven't tried to modify the same gauge Lemax Spooky Town train to run over switches and crossings yet, a lot more complicated job.   Kyle Russell BAAFC 447 NASG 06F0022E TCA 06-60660 -----Original Message----- Hi All, I haven't posted in a while.  I had a triple bypass four weeks ago using the off-pump procedure.  I'm fully recovered and back to work full time. I picked up the Lemax Spooky Town trolley today at Michaels because it looked very close to S-gauge.  I put it on the layout and it tracks perfectly, goes around curves, goes over un-couplers and goes through most switches with just a little bit of bottom dragging. I'll post a video to YouTube when I get some time and then post a link here. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75160	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Lema Spooky Town Trolley

Welcome to the Heart Club!  Glad to hear things are going well!  The first anniversary of my five way bypass was last Friday the 15th.  I feel at least five years younger!  You just don't seem to realize the damage being done over many years until it's been undone!)  I had been walking a mile or more ever morning, and had noticed it was getting tougher than it should.  Finally I could go half a mile slowly, and just over a month later I had the surgery. After the required eight week cardiac rehab, I signed up for the "maintenance" cardio program three mornings a week.  The cost is decent and I can now avoid walking around town in too cold or too hot weather.  I get the use of all the equipment in the place too!  And I still "patrol" the streets three other days a week.  (The Mayor told me it was good to see one of the "Daytime Street Walkers" in town back on the beat.) As for the Lemax Trolley, I've seen them and wondered if they were usable for S gauge.  Thanks for answering that question, I'll have to get one to kit bash.  Might even make it to one of my Stumpy's Station articles on My Flyer Trains. Best to ya' Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75161	From: lx5043	Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel Automatic Crossing Gate #252

Thank you for taking the time to provide me with some advice. I want to use this with my S gauge set up, so I'll only be using a two rail connection. I've used other Lionel items such as the Whistle Shed with contactor and they worked fine. Just need to know if it should stay down during contact or go down and pop back up. I watched a video on YouTube that shows it in the down position while the contactor is engaged.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75162	From: gartrain404	Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Lemax Spooky town Trolley by bull_gator_1

Here is the link to a trolley running. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=729841287051266&set=vb.100000762031058&type=2&theater   Glenn Ritter   6a Lemax Spooky town Trolley Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:37 pm (PDT) . Posted by: bull_gator_1 Hi All, I haven't posted in a while. I had a triple bypass four weeks ago using the off-pump procedure. I'm fully recovered and back to work full time. I picked up the Lemax Spooky Town trolley today at Michaels because it looked very close to S-gauge. I put it on the layout and it tracks perfectly, goes around curves, goes over un-couplers and goes through most switches with just a little bit of bottom dragging. I'll post a video to YouTube when I get some time and then post a link here.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75163	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/21/2014
Subject: Lema Spooky Town Trolley

Hi Stumpy,   I've been trying to remember the last time I was in Wheeling and saw you at the hobby shop.  I'm thinking it was around 2004 or 2005???  I left the company I was working for in 2008 - they had a plant in Proctor, WV.  That plant has since been shut down, demolished and I understand a rail car coal loading operation is now there.   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75164	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lema Spooky Town Trolley

I think you're right about the time you were here.  The shop fell on hard times in '07 and closed at the end of '09.  Yep, a LOT has changed for both of us since we met back then.  We were both ten years younger too! :-) But the train fun never ends! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75165	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/21/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Housecleaning" (on/off topic)

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com it's a mixed bag of stories too short to fill a whole page.  Might just be a tid bit for everyone. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75166	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 8/21/2014
Subject: Re: Hobby Surplus Sales (HSS)

hi , stan  gino  trying to reach you , I have a smoke in tnder heater box if you still need one e-mail if you can to "Ghost3141@... or phone 301-241-3061 i'am in m.d. original 20.00+shipping

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75167	From: afironhorse	Date: 8/22/2014
Subject: Need a wiring diagram for UP 4-8-4 #336 speaker hookup

Hi all, I just acquired a UP #336 but it's missing the speaker in the tender. I would like to restore it but I can't find a good wiring diagram that is not blurry. I would appreciate if someone can direct me to a good diagram or put one out in the folders here.   Thanks David New Orleans, La.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75168	From: lx5043	Date: 8/22/2014
Subject: Credit Where Credit Is Due

Some weeks back I was highly critical of Classic Toy Trains Magazine for not including many or any "S" gauge articles in recent issues. I think they not only recived the message but responed to it in a very positive way. The October issue which I have just received has at least five "Flyer" articles that I see after scanning through the issue. I will list those here: Gary Ellman's S Gauge Layout p.8 American Flyer K5 Speaker Wiring p.25 American Flyer Control Tower No. 590 p.29 Renewed Appreciation for "Flyer Guys" p.31 Famous Flyer Ad Artist p.60 These were all good and interesting articles and I hope that this is the start of a renewed effort to hold on to their "S" gauge readers. I appreciate the effort and I am sure others here will as well. John Palmisano

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75169	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 8/22/2014
Subject: Re: Need a wiring diagram for UP 4-8-4 #336 speaker hookup

I highly recommend Mike Korando's recent American Flyer Steam Engine Manual. It is clear and complete. On page 264 there is a tender diagram and a wiring diagram including the speaker. The parts list for the electronics is on the next page. Tom Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2014, at 12:45 PM, "afironhorse@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Hi all, I just acquired a UP #336 but it's missing the speaker in the tender. I would like to restore it but I can't find a good wiring diagram that is not blurry. I would appreciate if someone can direct me to a good diagram or put one out in the folders here.   Thanks David New Orleans, La.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75170	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/23/2014
Subject: Carstens Publications

Carstens Publications August 22nd, 2014 It is with regret that Carstens Publicatons, Inc. will be closing permanently at close of business on Friday, August 22, 2014. Carstens Publications, Inc. has been a leading publisher of leading hobby magazines for over 50 years. Unfortunately the current economic climate has placed us in this position. Discussion is continuing with several parties who expressed desire to take on the continuance of the magazines. At this point there is still hope that all three titles will remain in existence. But I can offer no guarantees. We thank you for your patronage over the years, and wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. —Henry R. Carstens, President Carstens Publications, Inc. Railfan & Railroad Magazine - Hot Rail News               Railfan & Railroad Magazine - Hot Rail News The latest railroad industry and preservation news gathered by the editors of Railfan & Railroad Magazine. View on www.railfan.com Preview by Yahoo       Frank R. EMIRO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75171	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/23/2014
Subject: Re: CARSTENS

Recent press announcement I just ran across: Carstens Publications, Inc. closed permanently on Friday, August 22, 2014. Carstens Publications, Inc. has been publishing Railroad Model Craftsman and other hobby magazines from its New Jersey offices for more than 50 years. In an announcement, president Henry Carstens wrote that the current economic climate has placed the company in this position. He thanked readers for their patronage over the years. This is a shame because they really supported S-Scale.    This was posted on another site, Mike in Ore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75172	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/23/2014
Subject: Re: Credit Where Credit Is Due

For more train set ups in S Gauge there are several sites that collectors have really top notch layouts that would rival O gauge. On Friday, August 22, 2014 4:14 PM, "johnpalm@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Some weeks back I was highly critical of Classic Toy Trains Magazine for not including many or any "S" gauge articles in recent issues. I think they not only recived the message but responed to it in a very positive way. The October issue which I have just received has at least five "Flyer" articles that I see after scanning through the issue. I will list those here: Gary Ellman's S Gauge Layout p.8 American Flyer K5 Speaker Wiring p.25 American Flyer Control Tower No. 590 p.29 Renewed Appreciation for "Flyer Guys" p.31 Famous Flyer Ad Artist p.60 These were all good and interesting articles and I hope that this is the start of a renewed effort to hold on to their "S" gauge readers. I appreciate the effort and I am sure others here will as well. John Palmisano

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75173	From: traindavid	Date: 8/23/2014
Subject: Re: redit Where Credit Is Due

Yes, CTT current issue does have some Flyer content, much better than the previous issue. As to "good" articles, hmm, both the K-5 and the Control Tower articles have errors--there are variation on the control tower including plastic "Junction" signs--a detail, yes; but would have been more accurate to have been included. Also, it fails to mention that the Flyer version is painted, not molded in color, like the Plasticville version (and Plasticville started out with more than just fences). If you look at the Flyer Ad art article I did notice her ad shows the locomotive smoking and "choo-choo'ing" BUT the engine number is 307, which had neither feature!! I wonder which locomotive really came with that set? Hmm, I could probably find out if I would dig out my reference books. . . . ( this "error" of course, is not related to CTT staff!) So, yes, more Flyer content, but I wonder if the L content has as many errors?? And yes, we are the "underdog" still !!!! (a place of honor!!) :) D. Dewey Posted by: John Palmisano Date: Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:14 pm ((PDT)) Some weeks back I was highly critical of Classic Toy Trains Magazine for not including many or any "S" gauge articles in recent issues. I think they not only recived the message but responed to it in a very positive way. The October issue which I have just received has at least five "Flyer" articles that I see after scanning through the issue. I will list those here: Gary Ellman's S Gauge Layout p.8 American Flyer K5 Speaker Wiring p.25 American Flyer Control Tower No. 590 p.29 Renewed Appreciation for "Flyer Guys" p.31 Famous Flyer Ad Artist p.60 These were all good and interesting articles and I hope that this is the start of a renewed effort to hold on to their "S" gauge readers. I appreciate the effort and I am sure others here will as well.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75174	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/23/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/24/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 24, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75175	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/24/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/24/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 24, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75176	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 8/24/2014
Subject: NEWS: Publisher of Railroad Model Craftsman closes - Model Railroade

Unfortunate for me. The odd thing is the website seems to be operating normally and there is no mention of suspension of operations. Where did this originate? Tony Cynor http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/p/231915/2594732.aspx

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75177	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 8/24/2014
Subject: Regarding Carstens Closing: Fwd: Thank you for joining our mailing

It appears business as usual.  Has someone picked up the company already? Tony Cynor -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Fwd: Thank you for joining our mailing list Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:31:49 -0700 From: Anthony W. Cynor <tonycynor@...> Reply-To: tonycynor@... To: tonycynor@... CC: ironmac@... --- Begin forwarded message: From: "w.cynor" <w.cynor@...> To: "tonycynor@..." <tonycynor@...> Subject: Fwd: Thank you for joining our mailing list Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:27:21 -0300 De: henry@... Enviada: Domingo, 24 de Agosto de 2014 13:18 Para: w.cynor@... Assunto: Thank you for joining our mailing list Thank you for joining our mailing list   Carstens Publications        Welcome!      Dear Anthony, Welcome to Carstens Publications. We are happy to have you as a member of our community. Your email address and interest preferences have been recorded in our database. In the future, you will receive periodic emails specific to your interests. Privacy is important to us; therefore, we will not sell, rent, or give your name or address to anyone. At any point, you can select the link at the bottom of every email to unsubscribe, or to receive less or more information. Thanks again for registering. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact us. Sincerely, Henry Carstens   Carstens Publications email: henry@... web: http://carstens-publications.com   Forward email This email was sent to w.cynor@... by henry@... |   Update Profile/Email Address | Rapid removal with SafeUnsubscribe™ | Privacy Policy. Carstens Publications | 108 Phil Hardin Road | Newton | NJ | 07860   grátis/free email account - 6 meg - http://www.CoolRio.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75178	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 8/24/2014
Subject: Re: Regarding Carstens Closing: Fwd: Thank you for joining our mai

Probably the closest thing to instant info is by visiting their Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/modelcraftsman/posts/10154498427550265 Being a webmaster I know that, unless someone actively changes things on a website, it can continue to work as normal. It is just a computer doing its thing. If they have paid their web site hosting bill, then the site will continue for as long as they've paid up for. - Peter. (NASG webmaster) On 08/24/2014 12:50 pm, Anthony Cynor tonycynor@... [S-Trains] wrote: > > > It appears business as usual. Has someone picked up the company already? > > Tony Cynor -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/ My business site: http://fourthray.com/ Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/ NASG site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75179	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: Lemax Ghost Trolley

Thanks for the tip on the Lemax Ghost Trolley. I picked one up this weekend and tried it out on our Atlantic Coast S Gaugers: Carolina Division layout set up for the Spencer Train Show at the NC Transportation Museum. It struggled through the switches but was derailed by the rerailers. As one member said, "If it wasn't for the sounds it would be just plain ugly." The real cute thing about it is the "'skeleton bone" ties for the track that come with the set. It is slow but runs well on S gauge track for being powered by three AA batteries. I am sure it has possibilities for modification. If I am going to run it on the layout I don't need the reed switch to change direction so I might be able trim that from the bottom for better clearance. We got an excellent presentation and tour of the N&W 611 restoration being done at the Spencer Shops. If you are in NC make a visit to NCTM  in Spencer. Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75180	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: Last Call for brass parts sale

Attachments : S_Scale_Brass_Parts_Sale-75180.pdf September 1st is a week away. Orders must be in hand by September 1st.  All info is here: http://www.lanestrains.com/S_Scale_Brass_Detail_Parts.htm The order form is attached.   Any questions please ask ASAP. I am placing the production order early next week. These parts will be retired for sale after that!   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75181	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: Re: Regarding Carstens Closing: Fwd: Thank you for joining our mai

Not everyone does or cares for "Facebook" The only reason I can think of is the possibility of new owners. Even so the official website is the first place for such news. To not do so serves no one. I enjoy building and operating models not fiddling with social thingies like Facebook etc. Yes I also build computers. Tony Cynor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75182	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: A New S Scale Publication?

Several people active on the scale side of S have asked me privately (via e-mail or in person) if I would consider putting out a new S scale magazine on an annual or twice-yearly basis.  So, in the wake of Carstens' demise, I am putting this question out to the various S scale groups I belong to. Would there be an interest in such a publication?  My thoughts are to do an annual--possibly in time for the holidays this year--if there is enough support for it, and then see where it goes from there (yes, it would be a new brand--NOT a 1:64MG special issue).  Some other parameters: Digital publication, 50-60 pages, full color, with print being a possibility IF the cost can be justified and IF enough firm orders (deposits) for that format come in.  Subject to further number crunching. Advertising would accepted.  Rates would be reasonable but I'm can't give the store away. Prices TBD. Standard and narrow gauge modeling covered, including layouts planned but not yet built, layouts under construction, dioramas, etc.  No payment for submissions (complimentary copy of publication being the only compensation).  After all, for 50 years S Gaugian seems to be doing just fine with this business model! This is just to gauge (no pun intended) interest.  Let's talk! Bob Nalbone RLN Publishing http://rlnpublishing.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75183	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: S-"n"-S Trains changes hands

As of today, August 25th 2014 I am again the owner of SnS Trains. Due to the passing of Rich Gillett who was a partner, his brother Al is re-locating and cannot continue the business. I will have things up and running again within the next couple of days. Please feel free to call or email for any work related reasons. All the can motor options will be continued, along with Flyer repairs and restorations. My hours will be 10 AM to 8 PM mountain time, Monday through Saturday. Closed on Sundays.   Thanks for all the past business and looking forward to the future,    Steve Blackburn S-"n"-S Trains 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho Phone 208-376-1159 www.snstrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75184	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 8/25/2014
Subject: Re: A New S Scale Publication?

I for one would welcome a new S scale publication                                                                  Bob Lampe                                                              Kalispell,MT From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:47:07 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] A New S Scale Publication?   Several people active on the scale side of S have asked me privately (via e-mail or in person) if I would consider putting out a new S scale magazine on an annual or twice-yearly basis.  So, in the wake of Carstens' demise, I am putting this question out to the various S scale groups I belong to. Would there be an interest in such a publication?  My thoughts are to do an annual--possibly in time for the holidays this year--if there is enough support for it, and then see where it goes from there (yes, it would be a new brand--NOT a 1:64MG special issue).  Some other parameters: Digital publication, 50-60 pages, full color, with print being a possibility IF the cost can be justified and IF enough firm orders (deposits) for that format come in.  Subject to further number crunching. Advertising would accepted.  Rates would be reasonable but I'm can't give the store away. Prices TBD. Standard and narrow gauge modeling covered, including layouts planned but not yet built, layouts under construction, dioramas, etc.  No payment for submissions (complimentary copy of publication being the only compensation).  After all, for 50 years S Gaugian seems to be doing just fine with this business model! This is just to gauge (no pun intended) interest.  Let's talk! Bob Nalbone RLN Publishing http://rlnpublishing.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75185	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: S-"n"-S Trains changes hands

Good Luck Steve, sorry you had to take over this way. On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:52 PM, "SnSTrains@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   As of today, August 25th 2014 I am again the owner of SnS Trains. Due to the passing of Rich Gillett who was a partner, his brother Al is re-locating and cannot continue the business. I will have things up and running again within the next couple of days. Please feel free to call or email for any work related reasons. All the can motor options will be continued, along with Flyer repairs and restorations. My hours will be 10 AM to 8 PM mountain time, Monday through Saturday. Closed on Sundays.   Thanks for all the past business and looking forward to the future,    Steve Blackburn S-"n"-S Trains 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho Phone 208-376-1159 www.snstrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75186	From: wb4hay	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Mars Light LED

Hi Guys,     I am in the process of putting a Tsunami 1000 in a AM F7A (stall check .83 Amps) and I would lke to take advantage of the mars lite goody. Is the LED that you use a plain old normal 5 mm (with resistor) or is there something special you have to use??? Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75187	From: Frank	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: A New S Scale Publication?

I fully agree  Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:17 PM, "Robert Lampe danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I for one would welcome a new S scale publication                                                                  Bob Lampe                                                              Kalispell,MT From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:47:07 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] A New S Scale Publication?   Several people active on the scale side of S have asked me privately (via e-mail or in person) if I would consider putting out a new S scale magazine on an annual or twice-yearly basis.  So, in the wake of Carstens' demise, I am putting this question out to the various S scale groups I belong to. Would there be an interest in such a publication?  My thoughts are to do an annual--possibly in time for the holidays this year--if there is enough support for it, and then see where it goes from there (yes, it would be a new brand--NOT a 1:64MG special issue).  Some other parameters: Digital publication, 50-60 pages, full color, with print being a possibility IF the cost can be justified and IF enough firm orders (deposits) for that format come in.  Subject to further number crunching. Advertising would accepted.  Rates would be reasonable but I'm can't give the store away. Prices TBD. Standard and narrow gauge modeling covered, including layouts planned but not yet built, layouts under construction, dioramas, etc.  No payment for submissions (complimentary copy of publication being the only compensation).  After all, for 50 years S Gaugian seems to be doing just fine with this business model! This is just to gauge (no pun intended) interest.  Let's talk! Bob Nalbone RLN Publishing http://rlnpublishing.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75188	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: A New S Scale Publication?

I would sign up too!  Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2014, at 2:16 AM, "Frank femiro2002@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I fully agree  Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:17 PM, "Robert Lampe danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I for one would welcome a new S scale publication                                                                  Bob Lampe                                                              Kalispell,MT From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:47:07 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] A New S Scale Publication?   Several people active on the scale side of S have asked me privately (via e-mail or in person) if I would consider putting out a new S scale magazine on an annual or twice-yearly basis.  So, in the wake of Carstens' demise, I am putting this question out to the various S scale groups I belong to. Would there be an interest in such a publication?  My thoughts are to do an annual--possibly in time for the holidays this year--if there is enough support for it, and then see where it goes from there (yes, it would be a new brand--NOT a 1:64MG special issue).  Some other parameters: Digital publication, 50-60 pages, full color, with print being a possibility IF the cost can be justified and IF enough firm orders (deposits) for that format come in.  Subject to further number crunching. Advertising would accepted.  Rates would be reasonable but I'm can't give the store away. Prices TBD. Standard and narrow gauge modeling covered, including layouts planned but not yet built, layouts under construction, dioramas, etc.  No payment for submissions (complimentary copy of publication being the only compensation).  After all, for 50 years S Gaugian seems to be doing just fine with this business model! This is just to gauge (no pun intended) interest.  Let's talk! Bob Nalbone RLN Publishing http://rlnpublishing.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75189	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: Mars Light LED

Hi Kelly, I have not installed one of those myself, but I have seen installations (internals), and it is just a plain LED. Whichever one you'd prefer. You could also use the smaller 3mm LEDs. Just use a current-limiting resistor (assume 12 volts, and check the LED package or specs for the current that the LED would like to use, usually in the 20-40mA range). Also check the color of the LEDs. The special effect of the mars lighting is created by the decoder driving the LEDs. - Peter. On 08/26/2014 12:34 am, wb4hay@... [S-Trains] wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > I am in the process of putting a Tsunami 1000 in a AM F7A (stall > check .83 Amps) and I would lke to take advantage of the mars lite > goody. Is the LED that you use a plain old normal 5 mm (with resistor) > or is there something special you have to use??? > > > Kelly Johnson -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/ My business site: http://fourthray.com/ Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/ NASG site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75190	From: pakrause5	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: A New S Scale Publication?

Most definitely S-Scale.  Not S-Gauge.  Not that I am opposed to S-Gauge but so little is done on scale.   Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Robert Lampe danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" Date:08/25/2014 11:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A New S Scale Publication?   I for one would welcome a new S scale publication                                                                  Bob Lampe                                                              Kalispell,MT From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:47:07 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] A New S Scale Publication?   Several people active on the scale side of S have asked me privately (via e-mail or in person) if I would consider putting out a new S scale magazine on an annual or twice-yearly basis.  So, in the wake of Carstens' demise, I am putting this question out to the various S scale groups I belong to. Would there be an interest in such a publication?  My thoughts are to do an annual--possibly in time for the holidays this year--if there is enough support for it, and then see where it goes from there (yes, it would be a new brand--NOT a 1:64MG special issue).  Some other parameters: Digital publication, 50-60 pages, full color, with print being a possibility IF the cost can be justified and IF enough firm orders (deposits) for that format come in.  Subject to further number crunching. Advertising would accepted.  Rates would be reasonable but I'm can't give the store away. Prices TBD. Standard and narrow gauge modeling covered, including layouts planned but not yet built, layouts under construction, dioramas, etc.  No payment for submissions (complimentary copy of publication being the only compensation).  After all, for 50 years S Gaugian seems to be doing just fine with this business model! This is just to gauge (no pun intended) interest.  Let's talk! Bob Nalbone RLN Publishing http://rlnpublishing.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75191	From: wb4hay	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: Re: Mars Light LED

Peter,    Thanx, Kelly

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75192	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 8/26/2014
Subject: 15B Transformer

I am attempting to reconnect the internal wiring of a mid-fifties (case dated 1956) American Flyer 15B transformer. It came to me with the internal wiring disconnected. Does anyone have the wiring layout for this model? It does not match the 1953 version. Its circuit breaker is mounted to the transformer core and not to the base post on the case as was the earlier version. Any clues will be appreciated. - Nick Colleran

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75193	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/27/2014
Subject: A new S publication

I've held off a bit on throwing my two cents out, but here's my "take" on the situation; I think it is admirable that a new S publication is being considered, but as we all know these are tough days for "print" publications, case in point; the recent demise of the venerable Carstens Publications.  It would seem that perhaps an Internet based publication might have a better chance at survival.  The next problem I see is that S is a "minority" scale/gauge.  The closest example I can find to our numbers is On30, which is even with S or a bit higher.  (The problem is that different sources I've seen show different numbers, but S and On30 seem to be close.)  On30 cannot support it's own publication, but DOES have a large following on various Internet sites and forums.  Another check mark in "Internet Publication" box. The third problem I see is that S SCALE alone will probably not be enough.  You have diverse factions of American Flyer (both collectors and operators),  Hi-railers,  S Scale, and S Scale narrow gauge whose COMBINED numbers make up this minority scale.  If you don't include everyone, there are probably not enough folks to keep a publication going.  (Note that the NASG Dispatch and S Gaugian try to cover all sides of S, and still struggle to keep going.)  However, Internet sites are cheaper than print publications, so a "scale only" publication MIGHT survive on the 'Net. Finally, both newspapers and magazines have the built in flaw that they cannot be "current" in this age of the Internet.  I always find it sadly humorous that many hobby magazines have a "NEW" section that is always well behind the manufacturer's Internet announcements and discussions on various forums.  Any current trends or discussions are "old news" by the time they reach a magazine format.   Therefore even an Internet publication is limited to stories on features or "how-to" articles about layouts and models. It's going to be a tough deal to start up a publication under these conditions.  However, you're playing mostly to a "mature" audience who have spent their lives with magazines and enjoy the format.   You also have a pretty much "captive audience" because S is underserved by the hobby media at large.  It will still be a gamble, but it's not impossible if done on the Internet. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75194	From: mike gardner	Date: 8/27/2014
Subject: western wagons- off subject

If this too much off subject please edit it out. I am looking for western wagon for my S-guage layout.  I purchased some wagons years  ago and built the kits. They were made by Revell Models in the late nineteen-fifty early sixty later it was sold by Adams Models,UPC,Athern,and Model Power. Have these been sold recently by another company? These were 1/48 scale and included a ranch wagon ,medicine wagon, stagecoach,chuck wagon, and conestoga wagon. The difference in scale is not enough for my American Flyer to matter. Thank You ,Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75195	From: Martin	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: Re: A new S publication

I totally Disagree.  Carstens went out of business as a result of Hals death several years ago.  He was the drive behind the brand.   An “S scale” Magazine (In print) can make it, but NOT in digital format.  remember the 1/64th Modeling Guide? It died very shortly after going digital.   The key is “SCALE” content, including Farm toys, trucks, autos, construction etc.  1/64th is the worlds largest & most popular scale.   Another key, although this sounds counter intuitive, is GET RID of all those adds.   I renewed to S-Gaugian a few months ago.  why?   it’s 90% advertising, and very little scale content.     Better scale content is more important, than pretty color smooth pages.  have we forgotten photocopied newsletters of the 1970’s and 1980’s?  they work just fine.   STOP thinking about money, but about the hobby & passion.  Money is the root of all evil.  We are in a hobby for a reason.  Yes, a publication must make enough money to survive, but how much?  most ALL American “models” for how much a business needs to earn are flawed, top-heavy.  Most of us can NOT afford to financially support these businesses.    Make it about SCALE.  Make it REAL. Included all aspects of 1/64th, perhaps excluding NASCAR, and do NOT emphasize American Flyer, although some crossover for suitable project or “base models” would be acceptable.   This is precisely the type of PRINT publication that our hobby and scale needs to SURVIVE & GROW.   Martin Johnson Easton, MN Life long 1/64th collector, modeler, customizer.  1/64th trains are a very small, but important part of my scale & hobby.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75196	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: Re: A new S publication

Whether ANY business survives or dies depends upon a complex set of factors, the primary one being the smarts of the person(s) running it. Those “smarts” must include, but are not limited to: A clairvoyant’s perception of the market, marketing skills far beyond the average, timing, a Warren Buffet-type mind for handling money, a keen sense of what people to surround himself/herself with, a total and complete immersion in and micro-managing of the business, a complete understanding of the competition and lots of other attributes that escape me at the moment. There are NO successful, unsponsored magazines that do not rely on advertising for revenue. None. Period and end of story.  Not even online publications can survive without revenue from somewhere. There is no printing nor mailing expense involved online, but there are plenty of other expenses involved. Salary for the staff is one expense. How many of us would be willing or able to spend 30-~60 hours a week, without compensation, to produce a QUALITY online product? Classic Toy Trains is an example of the right publication, at the right time for an emerging market. It was and is both a reflection of a trend and a re-enforcer of that trend. Most people simply do not comprehend what an enormous outlay of time, money and skill is required to produce a print publication or even an online one. The hard costs are staggering. The associated non-tangible costs, like less free time to do anything else, are even higher. IMHO, it would be virtually impossible to begin, from scratch, a successful, quality publication aimed squarely at the S scale market. I would be delighted if someone proved my opinion incorrect :) Roy Inman From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:06:55 -0500 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A new S publication            I totally Disagree.  Carstens went out of business as a result of Hals death several years ago.  He was the drive behind the brand.   An “S scale” Magazine (In print) can make it, but NOT in digital format.  remember the 1/64th Modeling Guide? It died very shortly after going digital.   The key is “SCALE” content, including Farm toys, trucks, autos, construction etc.  1/64th is the worlds largest & most popular scale.   Another key, although this sounds counter intuitive, is GET RID of all those adds.   I renewed to S-Gaugian a few months ago.  why?   it’s 90% advertising, and very little scale content.      Better scale content is more important, than pretty color smooth pages.  have we forgotten photocopied newsletters of the 1970’s and 1980’s?  they work just fine.   STOP thinking about money, but about the hobby & passion.  Money is the root of all evil.  We are in a hobby for a reason.  Yes, a publication must make enough money to survive, but how much?  most ALL American “models” for how much a business needs to earn are flawed, top-heavy.  Most of us can NOT afford to financially support these businesses.     Make it about SCALE.  Make it REAL. Included all aspects of 1/64th, perhaps excluding NASCAR, and do NOT emphasize American Flyer, although some crossover for suitable project or “base models” would be acceptable.   This is precisely the type of PRINT publication that our hobby and scale needs to SURVIVE & GROW.   Martin Johnson Easton, MN Life long 1/64th collector, modeler, customizer.  1/64th trains are a very small, but important part of my scale & hobby.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75197	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The toughest job I ever loved"

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com I tell the story of the job I hated to retire from, but the time had come.  In one way or another, I've done just about everything there is to do in auto racing, but this is what I miss most these days. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75198	From: alhbaker	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: ZAP-A-GAP

I purchased a bottle of this some months ago, it looked like good stuff, but I haven't used it.   I now notice that it has become very thick, and barely flows after even a couple minutes.  Of course now I read the directions, and it says to store it in a cool place, and the room that I had it in frequently gets quite hot.   So maybe I have ruined it??    Or does somebody know of some way to thin it such that it would be useable? Thanks for any help. Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75199	From: mel perry	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: Re: ZAP-A-GAP

al: throw it away, you can not reconstitute old and dried acc mel perry --------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75200	From: beebear	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: New 3D scanner

Hi Guys   I just saw this on Facebook and of you have a tablet or mobile device , this is for you if you machine or print in 3D   http://structure.io/   The Structure Sensor 3D scanner allows you to capture detailed 3D models, measure an entire room, or play augmented reality games using your iPad.     This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75201	From: J Terrence MacEwen	Date: 8/28/2014
Subject: Digital Price List

Does anyone know of or have a current AF / S-Helper / Plasticville price list in excel, word, text, etc. that can be used for an inventory database? Since Train Tracker disappeared I haven't been able to find a source.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75202	From: tbennerohio	Date: 8/29/2014
Subject: Starting over

Folks, Greetings!  Hoping everyone has a great Labor Day weekend!  Sorry for the long post. It's been a while since I posted here.  Some may recall I had a 16' by 22' around the room AF layout at the ceiling level.  It was up there because that was all the room in the house for a layout.  Pics were posted at one time at https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/search/photos?query=Ceiling%20Level Well times have changed.  My two sons have both moved out.  We sold that house and moved to mid-Michigan.  The realtor said take the layout down and I did.  I sure was glad it was modular.  In fact we listened to everything she said and the house sold within a week of listing. So it was a crush to get out of the old house in time and to get the new one ready. It was a short sale so you can imagine the condition but that's what we always do. I work from home now 3 of 4 weeks per month.  And we're getting the the point where it feels like it's worth it.  I now have a polebarn with plenty of room for motorcycles and my 'new' 63 Ford tractor and a 1/2 mile paved driveway so I can ride my 67 Yamaha to get the mail every day rain or shine.  Ask me how I feel about the driveway in December.  But the best part, even though the new realtor didn't understand what a 'train room' was, she did understand 'large basement.' The new house has a 15' by 42' main room and two adjoining rooms, 15' by 15' and 13' by 13' in the basement.  All mine!  But I'll have to earn them.  The basement has had a couple of inches of water in it before so plenty of drywall will have to be replaced.  OK by me, the sumps have been addressed and a generator put in.  The mold smell is gone, tempting me to shortcut the new drywall (actually going to use cement board) but not worth the risk of mold coming back.  So now there is time to plan whilst the basement is prepared. I needed to get some kind of trains running for motivational purposes. There is a snag.  Note that the ceiling level layout was 16' by 22' and the largest room here is 15' wide.  I'll have to cut the end modules down by 3' in order to reuse it.  So plan 2 for immediate trains was putting up an HO (did I really say that?) layout I built with my sons in the 90s.  Half of the locos don't run anymore but the layout survived three moves.  And the transistor throttles I made in the 80s (pulse & momentum from a design in MR) still work!  The rolling stock seemed a little fragile and fiddly at first but now it's kind of fun.   The master plan is to build a layout to fill that 15' by 42' room.  A layout geared toward operation but with the possibility of loop running when it's time to Railfan and just watch trains.  I have been lurking on the S-Scale list. There are some great fine-scale modelers over there. So  creeping ever closer to scale I am thinking Hi-Scale with wider radius curves than have ever been possible for me, just in case a Berkshire comes to visit.  Scale operating speeds and DCC.  It would be loosely modeled after the Pennsy line between Pittsburgh and Beaver Falls, PA with some interchange with and shared trackage with NYC.  (why not... the P&LE was on the other side of the river)  If more width is needed I can punch through the wall into one or both of the adjoining rooms but can't take the wall down... It is load bearing.  Besides, there is the question of what size layout is too big.  I would like to be enjoying this layout before my limited shelf life is up. What needs to happen next is getting the ceiling layout bolted together at a reasonable height.  Then I can get S trains running and better evaluate what will fit, performance and availability.  (Been trying to find a Pennsy Shark for a while.  You can find one in that smaller scale on ebay in 10 seconds.  Brass or plastic under 200)  I can start running the PGH to Beaver falls commuter schedule again too with a slow geared 316 or an AM RS-3. BTW, if you have any interest at all, Bob Nalbone's Commuter Operations e-book is a great read.  Of course for me it was like preaching to the choir.  In the end the ceiling layout may turn into a holiday AF/hi-rail layout.  I like scale but sometimes the smell of smoke fluid is just the thing.  Starting to ramble.  I should start working on trains. Someone has been at this stage before.  Any comments or advice?  Anyone know of a good layout planning forum? Regards, Tim Benner Jackson, MI starting over but still hanging on a little

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75203	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/29/2014
Subject: Re: Starting over

tim: you could always drill tunnels thru the walls, and have a REAL BIG train room enjoy mel perry On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:57 PM, tim.benner@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Folks, Greetings!  Hoping everyone has a great Labor Day weekend!  Sorry for the long post. It's been a while since I posted here.  Some may recall I had a 16' by 22' around the room AF layout at the ceiling level.  It was up there because that was all the room in the house for a layout.  Pics were posted at one time at https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/search/photos?query=Ceiling%20Level Well times have changed.  My two sons have both moved out.  We sold that house and moved to mid-Michigan.  The realtor said take the layout down and I did.  I sure was glad it was modular.  In fact we listened to everything she said and the house sold within a week of listing. So it was a crush to get out of the old house in time and to get the new one ready. It was a short sale so you can imagine the condition but that's what we always do. I work from home now 3 of 4 weeks per month.  And we're getting the the point where it feels like it's worth it.  I now have a polebarn with plenty of room for motorcycles and my 'new' 63 Ford tractor and a 1/2 mile paved driveway so I can ride my 67 Yamaha to get the mail every day rain or shine.  Ask me how I feel about the driveway in December.  But the best part, even though the new realtor didn't understand what a 'train room' was, she did understand 'large basement.' The new house has a 15' by 42' main room and two adjoining rooms, 15' by 15' and 13' by 13' in the basement.  All mine!  But I'll have to earn them.  The basement has had a couple of inches of water in it before so plenty of drywall will have to be replaced.  OK by me, the sumps have been addressed and a generator put in.  The mold smell is gone, tempting me to shortcut the new drywall (actually going to use cement board) but not worth the risk of mold coming back.  So now there is time to plan whilst the basement is prepared. I needed to get some kind of trains running for motivational purposes. There is a snag.  Note that the ceiling level layout was 16' by 22' and the largest room here is 15' wide.  I'll have to cut the end modules down by 3' in order to reuse it.  So plan 2 for immediate trains was putting up an HO (did I really say that?) layout I built with my sons in the 90s.  Half of the locos don't run anymore but the layout survived three moves.  And the transistor throttles I made in the 80s (pulse & momentum from a design in MR) still work!  The rolling stock seemed a little fragile and fiddly at first but now it's kind of fun.   The master plan is to build a layout to fill that 15' by 42' room.  A layout geared toward operation but with the possibility of loop running when it's time to Railfan and just watch trains.  I have been lurking on the S-Scale list. There are some great fine-scale modelers over there. So  creeping ever closer to scale I am thinking Hi-Scale with wider radius curves than have ever been possible for me, just in case a Berkshire comes to visit.  Scale operating speeds and DCC.  It would be loosely modeled after the Pennsy line between Pittsburgh and Beaver Falls, PA with some interchange with and shared trackage with NYC.  (why not... the P&LE was on the other side of the river)  If more width is needed I can punch through the wall into one or both of the adjoining rooms but can't take the wall down... It is load bearing.  Besides, there is the question of what size layout is too big.  I would like to be enjoying this layout before my limited shelf life is up. What needs to happen next is getting the ceiling layout bolted together at a reasonable height.  Then I can get S trains running and better evaluate what will fit, performance and availability.  (Been trying to find a Pennsy Shark for a while.  You can find one in that smaller scale on ebay in 10 seconds.  Brass or plastic under 200)  I can start running the PGH to Beaver falls commuter schedule again too with a slow geared 316 or an AM RS-3. BTW, if you have any interest at all, Bob Nalbone's Commuter Operations e-book is a great read.  Of course for me it was like preaching to the choir.  In the end the ceiling layout may turn into a holiday AF/hi-rail layout.  I like scale but sometimes the smell of smoke fluid is just the thing.  Starting to ramble.  I should start working on trains. Someone has been at this stage before.  Any comments or advice?  Anyone know of a good layout planning forum? Regards, Tim Benner Jackson, MI starting over but still hanging on a little

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75204	From: scaler164	Date: 8/29/2014
Subject: FOR SALE : Surplus Chad Boas SAL Flat Cars

Seeing as how I cannot get Bob McCarthy to reply to ANY of my e-mails about obtaining some BULKHEADS for these models...   I have ended up with a SURPLUS of FOUR SEABOARD F-6 Flat Car castings (semi-kits) and THREE laser-cut decks (for the SAL flats).   So... I am officially offering them for sale...   The flat castings WITH decks are $20 each and the lone casting is $10.   Buy ALL THREE castings with decks, and I'll throw in the lone casting (without deck) for a mere $5 (half price).   Postage cost will be determined later.   First come, first serve.  Contact me at the e-mail address below :     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75205	From: David Highfield	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Re: Starting over

I once cut holes in a wall to extend my basement AF layout into a side room that served as a root cellar. The trains ran through the shelves of root vegetables that we harvested from the garden. Maybe that's why the potatoes had a mild cedar smoke taste! Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75206	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Flyer "O" gauge question/need

I have come across a pristine O-gauge flyer loco. It is #5640 Hudson from 1939. There is what appears to be a like new boxed complete 5 car set with it BUT....the tender is missing. Any thoughts on where/how I MIGHT find one??? My books show this was only made  in 1939.   Thanks in advance,   Steve Blackburn Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75207	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Starting over

Tim...How about putting the former ceiling layout up on store bought folding sawhorses and running it in the basement or garage where you have the space?  A temporary, stop gap measure, but it would get you up and running in S quickly. Once you're back on track there, you can spend some time planning the "basement filling empire!"  :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75208	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] FW: [Proto-Layouts] RMC and R&R acquired by WRP

Begin forwarded message: From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> Date: August 30, 2014 8:58:35 AM PDT To: "Pieter Roos pieter_roos@... [S-Scale]" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] FW: [Proto-Layouts] RMC and R&R acquired by WRP Begin forwarded message: From: "'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Date: August 30, 2014 8:49:34 AM PDT To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [STMFC] FW: [Proto-Layouts] RMC and R&R acquired by WRP Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com   Lights back on at "the pub". Let's see if the PDF attachment is included with this msg. Neither Carsten's nor White River have it on a website yet. Regards, -Jeff From: Proto-Layouts@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Proto-Layouts@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:12 AM To: Proto-Layouts@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Proto-Layouts] RMC and R&R acquired by WRP FYI. Tony Koester Begin forwarded message: ________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75209	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC

Begin forwarded message: From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: August 30, 2014 9:00:49 AM PDT To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com   Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /WRP-RMC-R&R Press Release 140829.pdf Uploaded by : jaley95630 <Jeff.A.Aley@...> Description : White River Press acquires Railroad Model Craftsman + Railfan & Railroad You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/WRP-RMC-R%26R%20Press%20Release%20140829.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, jaley95630 <Jeff.A.Aley@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75210	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Ten Wheeler Project begins!

The next project for Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website is posted.  This is the Stumpy's Station "Ten Wheeler Project" Part One. I've wanted to do a 4-6-0 for several years and have finally gotten around to it. Part One (September) of the four part series is now up on http://myflyertrains.org  .  As usual, it takes you through the build so that you can do one of your own!   I hope you enjoy this series as much as do writing/building it! :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75211	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/31/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 31, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75212	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 8/30/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "O" gauge question/need

Greetings! Steve,  Brasseur Electric Trains, 989.793.4753, in Saginaw, Michigan,  may be able to help.  They have provided parts for early Marx repair and were willing to build a tender for a Lionel 2037.   They seem to have a large variety of prewar parts and "rolling stock". Good luck and best wishes, Charlie in W MI On Aug 30, 2014, at 1:08 PM, SnSTrains@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I have come across a pristine O-gauge flyer loco. It is #5640 Hudson from 1939. There is what appears to be a like new boxed complete 5 car set with it BUT....the tender is missing. Any thoughts on where/how I MIGHT find one??? My books show this was only made  in 1939.   Thanks in advance,   Steve Blackburn Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75213	From: hunbet	Date: 8/31/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject

Search for 20 mule team model kit on ebay.Very nice 1/67 Scale wagons and mules.The whole kit takes up a lot of room but you could mix and match the parts.   Larry Obermann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75214	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/31/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/31/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 31, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75215	From: James Lyle	Date: 8/31/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject

I have newly tooled new accurate kits in stock. Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2014, at 12:00 PM, "68cuda440@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Search for 20 mule team model kit on ebay.Very nice 1/67 Scale wagons and mules.The whole kit takes up a lot of room but you could mix and match the parts.   Larry Obermann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75216	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "O" gauge question/need

Hi Steve,                     The 1939 Catalog shows the J3 Hudson numbered as 5405. The catalog number shows it as 564. The Pre War tenders usually have the number of the engine and tender stamped on the bottom of the tender. So the tender would be stamped 564. I believe your best bet at finding a tender would be on Ebay or the York Train Show.                                                            Tom Seccia On Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:44 PM, "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Greetings! Steve,  Brasseur Electric Trains, 989.793.4753, in Saginaw, Michigan,  may be able to help.  They have provided parts for early Marx repair and were willing to build a tender for a Lionel 2037.   They seem to have a large variety of prewar parts and "rolling stock". Good luck and best wishes, Charlie in W MI On Aug 30, 2014, at 1:08 PM, SnSTrains@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I have come across a pristine O-gauge flyer loco. It is #5640 Hudson from 1939. There is what appears to be a like new boxed complete 5 car set with it BUT....the tender is missing. Any thoughts on where/how I MIGHT find one??? My books show this was only made  in 1939.   Thanks in advance,   Steve Blackburn Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75217	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Re: 15B Transformer

Hi Nick,                    The transformer you have is most likely a 22040. Gilbert changed the Deadman Handle Transformers in 1957 or 1958. I never seen any wiring diagrams other than the 15B, 16B, etc. You may be able to trace the wires from the circuit breaker mounted on the plate and reconnect those to the power source. I never worked on a late model so I can't offer you any direction.                                                   Tom Seccia On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 11:14 PM, "Nick and Becky Colleran colleran@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I am attempting to reconnect the internal wiring of a mid-fifties (case dated 1956) American Flyer 15B transformer. It came to me with the internal wiring disconnected. Does anyone have the wiring layout for this model? It does not match the 1953 version. Its circuit breaker is mounted to the transformer core and not to the base post on the case as was the earlier version. Any clues will be appreciated. - Nick Colleran

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75218	From: snstrains	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Flyer "O" gauge question/need re-visited

Thanks Tom, But the number is 5640 in original Flyer silver ink under the cab window. It can be found on page 393 of the very recent David Doyle catalog of American Flyer Trains. I'll look for a tender with the numbers you suggested.   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho   In a message dated 9/1/2014 2:52:36 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hi Steve,                     The 1939 Catalog shows the J3 Hudson numbered as 5405. The catalog number shows it as 564. The Pre War tenders usually have the number of the engine and tender stamped on the bottom of the tender. So the tender would be stamped 564. I believe your best bet at finding a tender would be on Ebay or the York Train Show.                                                            Tom Seccia On Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:44 PM, "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Greetings! Steve,  Brasseur Electric Trains, 989.793.4753, in Saginaw, Michigan,  may be able to help.  They have provided parts for early Marx repair and were willing to build a tender for a Lionel 2037.   They seem to have a large variety of prewar parts and "rolling stock". Good luck and best wishes, Charlie in W MI On Aug 30, 2014, at 1:08 PM, SnSTrains@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I have come across a pristine O-gauge flyer loco. It is #5640 Hudson from 1939. There is what appears to be a like new boxed complete 5 car set with it BUT....the tender is missing. Any thoughts on where/how I MIGHT find one??? My books show this was only made  in 1939.   Thanks in advance,   Steve Blackburn Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75219	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "O" gauge question/need

Have a look through Ray Ellen's Trainmarket list -  http://www.trainmarket.com/example.txt  Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 12:58:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer "O" gauge question/need   Hi Steve,                     The 1939 Catalog shows the J3 Hudson numbered as 5405. The catalog number shows it as 564. The Pre War tenders usually have the number of the engine and tender stamped on the bottom of the tender. So the tender would be stamped 564. I believe your best bet at finding a tender would be on Ebay or the York Train Show.                                                            Tom Seccia On Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:44 PM, "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Greetings! Steve,  Brasseur Electric Trains, 989.793.4753, in Saginaw, Michigan,  may be able to help.  They have provided parts for early Marx repair and were willing to build a tender for a Lionel 2037.   They seem to have a large variety of prewar parts and "rolling stock" Good luck and best wishes, Charlie in W MI On Aug 30, 2014, at 1:08 PM, SnSTrains@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I have come across a pristine O-gauge flyer loco. It is #5640 Hudson from 1939. There is what appears to be a like new boxed complete 5 car set with it BUT....the tender is missing. Any thoughts on where/how I MIGHT find one??? My books show this was only made  in 1939.   Thanks in advance,   Steve Blackburn Boise   ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75220	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Re: Flyer "O" gauge question/need

Sorry Ray Ellen is at  http://www.trainmarket.com    Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 12:58:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer "O" gauge question/need   Hi Steve,                     The 1939 Catalog shows the J3 Hudson numbered as 5405. The catalog number shows it as 564. The Pre War tenders usually have the number of the engine and tender stamped on the bottom of the tender. So the tender would be stamped 564. I believe your best bet at finding a tender would be on Ebay or the York Train Show.                                                            Tom Seccia On Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:44 PM, "Charles Hancock charles_hancock@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Greetings! Steve,  Brasseur Electric Trains, 989.793.4753, in Saginaw, Michigan,  may be able to help.  They have provided parts for early Marx repair and were willing to build a tender for a Lionel 2037.   They seem to have a large variety of prewar parts and "rolling stock". Good luck and best wishes, Charlie in W MI On Aug 30, 2014, at 1:08 PM, SnSTrains@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I have come across a pristine O-gauge flyer loco. It is #5640 Hudson from 1939. There is what appears to be a like new boxed complete 5 car set with it BUT....the tender is missing Any thoughts on where/how I MIGHT find one??? My books show this was only made  in 1939.   Thanks in advance,   Steve Blackburn Boise   ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75221	From: stevew970	Date: 9/1/2014
Subject: Pre-Size Model Specialties

Let me briefly introduce myself. I have been in S trains since I was a kid. I read this group, though I rarely post. My wife Linda & I just recently acquired Pre-Size Model Specialties, which makes cast resin items such as tunnel portals, bridge piers, culverts, etc. The former owners have been making some S-Scale products for years, one of the reasons I bought the company. I have expanded the S-Scale line to 28 items, and there will be more. If there are particular items you want, let me know. Several requests have been made for a double track tunnel portal, which is now available. Here is the link to our S-Scale catalog. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B88Y5vpo_wdgSlBSeXhlZlo3cUU&usp=sharing If you see this more than once, I apologize for the repetition. Thank you, Steve Wolcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75222	From: tbennerohio	Date: 9/2/2014
Subject: Re: Starting over

Stumpy, I had given some thought to sawhorses.  But given the cost (even the plastic harbor freight ones) I may have to just build some cheap and dirty benchwork out of 2x2s and 1x3s  to hold the modules.  Then I can get them 36-42" high too.  I had even given some thought to really cheap wooden barstools; 3 per corner would do it.  Trains will be up and running shortly. Regards, Tim Benner Jackson, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75223	From: alan smith	Date: 9/2/2014
Subject: The puzzle of the week

OK - guys here is your brain teaser for this week. I have an AF 710 whistle control --- a recent purchase.    Hooked it up according to paperwork ( same as the push button model)   NOTE:  The push button model operates as expected . The 710 ---- connected  { less the red wire to the variable tap } --- connect the red wire and the engine becomes activated.  It would seem the Yellow wire (15 volt) is feeding thru the Red  wire (variable tap) to power the track.    NO wires are touching inside the case of the 710 !     Is the variable coil shorted internally?  OR -- what's going on ?  Also - when the engine is active the whistle control works as expected - BUT the transformer is NOT in control of track voltage. Old A in Hamilton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75224	From: John	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

Assuming the correct tube is in the controller (black steam whistle), it is likely that the tube is defective. John Redford

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75225	From: mike gardner	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject

Thanks for the information the 20 mule team model I will watch for it on ebay. THANKS AGAIN Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75226	From: alan smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

John Thanks for the reply. However, the tube works correctly on the push button type whistle  control. The "Black  710  older style with the slide arm"  has the problem.  Which leads me to scratch my head a bit. I cut the can apart in the working tube -- One set of contacts is closed while the vibrator set does its thing when activated. If the same tube works in the push button unit it should work in the slide arm model  - Right?   These remind me of the vibrator tube in the old tube car radios ! Alan Smith On Sep 3, 2014, at 7:21 AM, John rrhobby@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Assuming the correct tube is in the controller (black steam whistle), it is likely that the tube is defective. John Redford

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75227	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

The tubes are not interchangeable.  The only tube that will work in the control with the slide is black and says 'steam whistle generator'.  Hope this helps. Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75228	From: alan smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

Neil,     These whistles are pitiful but that's the world of A F toys in the day.   I'm just trying to stay a little original for the 336.  I have the black one.    It's D. O. A.   I'll  will perform surgery and see if it can be brought back to life.   Cheers,  OLD DOC Smith    PS  If I'm successful with the CPR  I'll advise.  On Sep 3, 2014, at 3:01 PM, NEIL FERRIS bowlsalot2@... [S-Trains] wrote:   The tubes are not interchangeable.  The only tube that will work in the control with the slide is black and says 'steam whistle generator'.  Hope this helps. Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75229	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: LED replacement bulbs

Hi all, I want to replace the original tungsten headlight bulbs with LEDs in our Gilbert locos at Union Station. Can someone please recommend a web site where I can buy some LEDs designed for the purpose? Thanks in advance for any help :) Roy inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75230	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

The only tube that works in a 710 Whistle Controller is the one labeled Steam Whistle and is made of cardboard. The metal and cardboard tubes marked Air Chime will not work. If you have the correct tube it is most likely some type of wiring problem.  If you have a feeder connected to your track and is wired for normal operation the whistle will not work properly.                           Tom Seccia On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:49 PM, "alan smith alansmith@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Neil,     These whistles are pitiful but that's the world of A F toys in the day.   I'm just trying to stay a little original for the 336.  I have the black one.    It's D. O. A.   I'll  will perform surgery and see if it can be brought back to life.   Cheers,  OLD DOC Smith    PS  If I'm successful with the CPR  I'll advise.  On Sep 3, 2014, at 3:01 PM, NEIL FERRIS bowlsalot2@... [S-Trains] wrote:   The tubes are not interchangeable.  The only tube that will work in the control with the slide is black and says 'steam whistle generator'.  Hope this helps. Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75231	From: alan smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs

Roy,  OLD LRB makes some dandy L.E.D headlights for engines.  They actually show entering a tunnel or rounding a bend.  I have 5 engines converted at this time.  Tremendous difference !  Cheers, A On Sep 3, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi all, I want to replace the original tungsten headlight bulbs with LEDs in our Gilbert locos at Union Station. Can someone please recommend a web site where I can buy some LEDs designed for the purpose? Thanks in advance for any help :) Roy inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75232	From: David McBrayer	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs

Alan/Roy, I think you mean LBR Enterprises, LLC, http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/. They have a variety of items (LED lighting, etc.) to enhance AF loco's and rolling stock. Cheers, Dave ______________________ David McBrayer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75233	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

Hi Alan,                  If the tube works in the push button control it won't work in the 710 controller. The Correct tube is black cardboard and reads Steam Whistle. Something different inside.                                Tom Seccia On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 6:11 PM, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: The only tube that works in a 710 Whistle Controller is the one labeled Steam Whistle and is made of cardboard. The metal and cardboard tubes marked Air Chime will not work. If you have the correct tube it is most likely some type of wiring problem.  If you have a feeder connected to your track and is wired for normal operation the whistle will not work properly.                           Tom Seccia On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:49 PM, "alan smith alansmith@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Neil,     These whistles are pitiful but that's the world of A F toys in the day.   I'm just trying to stay a little original for the 336.  I have the black one.    It's D. O. A.   I'll  will perform surgery and see if it can be brought back to life.   Cheers,  OLD DOC Smith    PS  If I'm successful with the CPR  I'll advise.  On Sep 3, 2014, at 3:01 PM, NEIL FERRIS bowlsalot2@... [S-Trains] wrote:   The tubes are not interchangeable.  The only tube that will work in the control with the slide is black and says 'steam whistle generator'.  Hope this helps. Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75234	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs

Hi Roy, you might want to check out the site for Evan Designs which has the 5mm LEDs with a rectifier that will work in the headlight of AF steamers. There is a discount if you buy multiple LEDs. Tom Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2014, at 4:00 PM, "Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Hi all, I want to replace the original tungsten headlight bulbs with LEDs in our Gilbert locos at Union Station. Can someone please recommend a web site where I can buy some LEDs designed for the purpose? Thanks in advance for any help :) Roy inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75235	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs

Hi Roy,                  Try www.towncountryhobbies.com I believe he handles the LED lamps.                                      Tom Seccia On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:07 PM, "Roy Inman rinphoto@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Hi all, I want to replace the original tungsten headlight bulbs with LEDs in our Gilbert locos at Union Station. Can someone please recommend a web site where I can buy some LEDs designed for the purpose? Thanks in advance for any help :) Roy inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75236	From: Art Cooper	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs

Hi Roy   Take a look at this ebay item, 3mm white leds with resistors already soldered on with long leads, ready for 12v – 18v. I just bought some and am looking forward to installing. Alternately, there are sellers selling 3mm and 5mm white leds cheap, some with the required resistor, others selling resistors by themselves. All pretty inexpensive. Items I bought came from China, delivered within a week.   http://www.ebay.com/itm/221091222508?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT    Good Luck   Art Cooper Combine, TX   From: mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 4:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] LED replacement bulbs     Hi all, I want to replace the original tungsten headlight bulbs with LEDs in our Gilbert locos at Union Station. Can someone please recommend a web site where I can buy some LEDs designed for the purpose? Thanks in advance for any help :) Roy inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75237	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

Tom is correct on this.  The inside wiring of the tubes is different.  Tom Barker's book on AF repair (Available at Amazon) has a circuit diagram of the inside of the tube for the 710 if you want to rewire it to work in the 710 controller.  I think you will find this book very valuable for this and many other issues and recommend it highly. Dale Smith On 9/3/2014 3:24 PM, Sheila Seccia trainsandhobbies@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi Alan,                  If the tube works in the push button control it won't work in the 710 controller. The Correct tube is black cardboard and reads Steam Whistle. Something different inside.                                Tom Seccia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75238	From: alan smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: LED replacement bulbs

On Sep 3, 2014, at 8:15 PM, 'Art Cooper' greenjumpertx@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi Roy   Take a look at this ebay item, 3mm white leds with resistors already soldered on with long leads, ready for 12v – 18v. I just bought some and am looking forward to installing. Alternately, there are sellers selling 3mm and 5mm white leds cheap, some with the required resistor, others selling resistors by themselves. All pretty inexpensive. Items I bought came from China, delivered within a week.   http://www.ebay.com/itm/221091222508?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT    Good Luck   Art Cooper Combine, TX   From: mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 4:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] LED replacement bulbs     Hi all, I want to replace the original tungsten headlight bulbs with LEDs in our Gilbert locos at Union Station. Can someone please recommend a web site where I can buy some LEDs designed for the purpose? Thanks in advance for any help :) Roy inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75239	From: alan smith	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

Guys,  Thanks to everyone for your help on the old whistle controller puzzle. I need to cut the can off the black one apart and see what's inside as its DOA anyway.  I'm working of the rest of the layout.  I'll get back to the squealer soon. Cheers, Alan, On Sep 3, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Sheila Seccia trainsandhobbies@... [S-Trains] wrote:   The only tube that works in a 710 Whistle Controller is the one labeled Steam Whistle and is made of cardboard. The metal and cardboard tubes marked Air Chime will not work. If you have the correct tube it is most likely some type of wiring problem.  If you have a feeder connected to your track and is wired for normal operation the whistle will not work properly.                           Tom Seccia On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:49 PM, "alan smith alansmith@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Neil,     These whistles are pitiful but that's the world of A F toys in the day.   I'm just trying to stay a little original for the 336.  I have the black one.    It's D. O. A.   I'll  will perform surgery and see if it can be brought back to life.   Cheers,  OLD DOC Smith    PS  If I'm successful with the CPR  I'll advise.  On Sep 3, 2014, at 3:01 PM, NEIL FERRIS bowlsalot2@... [S-Trains] wrote:   The tubes are not interchangeable.  The only tube that will work in the control with the slide is black and says 'steam whistle generator'.  Hope this helps. Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75240	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 9/3/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

There is a definite different to the tubes for the 710 whistle controller and you cannot rewire another number tube to work in it!  The tubes are that different on the inside!  Been there!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75241	From: traindavid	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: The puzzle of the week

I am told the 710 control provides the "best" AF whistle. Will be interesting to find out what you find I do have one somewhere in a box somewhere in the "train room" which currently serves as a repository for everything for which I have no space! "These remind me of the vibrator tube in the old tube car radios !" Alan, SSHHH!!! Someone might figure out what these really are! Actually, I THINK they are slightly modified to provide the "horn/whistle" frequency.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75242	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Returning to Trains"

Today on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com I take up my favorite hobby; trains.  As you know, I have many interests and several hobbies, but I always seem to be drawn back to trains.  Trains in every scale and gauge, and the 1/1th scale ones as well.  That story today. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75243	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "Returning to Trains"

Pleasant and thoughtful, as usual. Thanks Stumpy from one rubber gauger to another, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 9/4/2014 7:16 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote: Today on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com I take up my favorite hobby; trains.  As you know, I have many interests and several hobbies, but I always seem to be drawn back to trains.  Trains in every scale and gauge, and the 1/1th scale ones as well.  That story today. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75244	From: alan smith	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

Went I cut one of these vibrators apart to see what makes it tick --- I'll post some pix.       AH --- The days of vacuum tube radios  the days of wine & roses. I still have a couple of  car radio VAC tubes in a box somewhere.   I have a Zenith floor model tube radio here in the dining room that still works - seems strange to wait for it to come alive. A On Sep 4, 2014, at 2:25 AM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I am told the 710 control provides the "best" AF whistle. Will be interesting to find out what you find I do have one somewhere in a box somewhere in the "train room" which currently serves as a repository for everything for which I have no space! "These remind me of the vibrator tube in the old tube car radios !" Alan, SSHHH!!! Someone might figure out what these really are! Actually, I THINK they are slightly modified to provide the "horn/whistle" frequency.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75245	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

On 9/3/2014 11:25 PM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote: > > "These remind me of the vibrator tube in the old tube car radios !" > > Alan, SSHHH!!! Someone might figure out what these really are! Actually, I > THINK they are slightly modified to provide the "horn/whistle" frequency. I played with a lot of old car radios as a kid and remember the vibrator well. It is just a reed swinging back and forth that switched the primary transformer leads on and off to generate a higher voltage for the tube plates. A simple way to create a high voltage from a lower DC voltage. It would be interesting to come up with a circuit to do the same thing. Maybe something like a 555 timer chip driving a transistor and you could "tune" the frequency with a variable resistor to get the right whistle tone? Since the transformer provides AC, you might need to use a triac instead of a transistor. Just and interesting thought. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75246	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

All I know is that Tom Barker says it is possible to rewire a tube, stating, "If you cannot find a black tube you rewire the one you have as shown in the insert schematic drawing, Figure 7-12."  I don't know about the practicalities of working on an actual tube and it might be that it may be difficult or next to impossible to do, as I haven't tried it myself. As to David's comment on it being the best whistle, I can certainly vouch for that, having heard one on a friend's layout.  Far superior to any of the push button controllers and even to the billboard whistles and the 314AW.  It doesn't have the slow buildup of the air whistles and gives a very realistic sound.  This was the real sound breakthrough and they should have continued with it. Dale On 9/3/2014 7:00 PM, keyhole_corona@... [S-Trains] wrote:   There is a definite different to the tubes for the 710 whistle controller and you cannot rewire another number tube to work in it!  The tubes are that different on the inside!  Been there!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75247	From: R G	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

You cannot rewire another tube to work in a 710 steam whistle controller, there are actual differences in how they are constructed.  I have tried it and it does not work!  Tom Barker is incorrect on this fix. The 710 black tube is different on the inside than the other tubes so you can get that variable sound.  Other tubes can work in the 710 but they will not have the variable sound. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:35 PM, "Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   All I know is that Tom Barker says it is possible to rewire a tube, stating, "If you cannot find a black tube you rewire the one you have as shown in the insert schematic drawing, Figure 7-12."  I don't know about the practicalities of working on an actual tube and it might be that it may be difficult or next to impossible to do, as I haven't tried it myself. As to David's comment on it being the best whistle, I can certainly vouch for that, having heard one on a friend's layout.  Far superior to any of the push button controllers and even to the billboard whistles and the 314AW.  It doesn't have the slow buildup of the air whistles and gives a very realistic sound.  This was the real sound breakthrough and they should have continued with it. Dale On 9/3/2014 7:00 PM, keyhole_corona@... [S-Trains] wrote:   There is a definite different to the tubes for the 710 whistle controller and you cannot rewire another number tube to work in it!  The tubes are that different on the inside!  Been there!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75248	From: alan smith	Date: 9/4/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

Dale, I cut the top off the old Black tube.  The points were stuck.  A little TLC freed them up.  It's a hummer/ vibrator now  and does not override the transformer power /voltage control. It's definitely different on the inside from the Yellow Brown tube. When I get a little time in the next couple of days I'll post some pix of the innards of both. Now the speaker in the tender of the 336 needs help. It's on the back-burner now as I'm trying to get the layout wiring back together and everything operational. Plus LED headlight and red and green markers to finish on the 290 . Grass to plant, road to build,  a log loader to take apart and repair, etc.  As John Wayne would say = "Your burning daylight pilgrim"  Gotta go! A  On Sep 4, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] wrote:   All I know is that Tom Barker says it is possible to rewire a tube, stating, "If you cannot find a black tube you rewire the one you have as shown in the insert schematic drawing, Figure 7-12."  I don't know about the practicalities of working on an actual tube and it might be that it may be difficult or next to impossible to do, as I haven't tried it myself. As to David's comment on it being the best whistle, I can certainly vouch for that, having heard one on a friend's layout.  Far superior to any of the push button controllers and even to the billboard whistles and the 314AW.  It doesn't have the slow buildup of the air whistles and gives a very realistic sound.  This was the real sound breakthrough and they should have continued with it. Dale On 9/3/2014 7:00 PM, keyhole_corona@... [S-Trains] wrote:   There is a definite different to the tubes for the 710 whistle controller and you cannot rewire another number tube to work in it!  The tubes are that different on the inside!  Been there!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75249	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 9/5/2014
Subject: Advertisement: e-Book Combo Offer

RLN Publishing is offering a special e-book combo package.  For a limited time, you can purchase both "Commuter Operations for Model Railroads" by Bob Nalbone and "Work Extra: 15 Useful Tips for Model Railroaders" by Dick Karnes for just $11.92 - a savings of 25% if purchased separately!  Go to www.rlnpublishing.com/e-books.html and look for the white box on the vertical menu bar.  Limit one purchase per customer.  Offer ends September 8. Bob Nalbone RLN Publishing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75250	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 9/5/2014
Subject: Re: The puzzle of the week

1) The 710 uses a VIBRATOR, and while it is tubular in shape it is NOT a (vacuum) tube.  However, there are other model whistle controller that generate the signal using a vacuum tube (I believe a 117N7GT).  Best to call it what it really is, rather than a tube.    2) A vibrator may or may not be COVERED with an insulating cardboard tube.  The vibrator itself is mostly made out of metal, not cardboard (as one person stated).   3) Vibrators work by producing pulsating direct current that is alternately applied to either end of the primary of a center-tapped transformer, where the center tap acts as the return path for current to flow through the winding.  This has the effect of producing a square wave “alternating current” across the transformer.   4) There are several types of vibrators – they may be wired differently internally and may also be tuned to operate at different frequencies.  As has been mentioned, you need to use the proper type for the circuit to work.    5) Yes, contacts in the vibrator can get dirty or even stuck together.  The vibrator may still buzz and sound like it is working, even though the contacts are stuck.  If all else fails, and you confirm that the vibrator is of the correct type, the device is correctly wired, and that it is correctly hooked up to the layout, the it probably wouldn’t hurt to open the vibrator, clean the contacts, and check that working as it should.   Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The puzzle of the week     The tubes are not interchangeable.  The only tube that will work in the control with the slide is black and says 'steam whistle generator'.  Hope this helps.   Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75251	From: Ray Puls	Date: 9/5/2014
Subject: LEDs

I would recommend the Evans designs, I have used them in a number of my Gilbert Flyer engines, easy to work with and fantastic support from these folks. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75252	From: wb4hay	Date: 9/5/2014
Subject: Resetting Tsunami's

When you do the global reset (CV8 to value of 8 or the other one I can't remember) alledgedly all the CVs go to default values. Does this include the 03 address that the unit comes out of the envelope with??? Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75253	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 9/5/2014
Subject: GG-1

I have a 1979 GG-1 TSA set and was wondering from you o gauge sages what track circle I should use, want to buy the new Lionel fast track but which size?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75254	From: tennsgauger	Date: 9/6/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} CONTACTING Dave's Twacks & Twains ?!?!?

I have tried to order parts from them since late 2013 with no success.      -  Earl Henry, Nashville       In a message dated 9/6/2014 8:52:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com writes:   Anyone out there have any idea how to get in touch with Dave's Twacks & Twains?  I have send them e-mails and have called their phone line twice over the last 3 weeks, but the best I've gotten was their answering machine telling me that they had been closed for the summer and would be re-opening on the VERY SAME DAY that I just happened to call them (on the first call)!  Yet still they were not answering the phone.  I called again a few days later, and got the same answering machine.  I left a message BOTH times, but still have not received a reply to either of those OR the e-mail I first sent them.   So... are they open... or not?  That is the question!  And if so, how does one go about getting a reply from them?                                            http://www.davestnt.com     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75255	From: scaler164	Date: 9/6/2014
Subject: CONTACTING Dave's Twacks & Twains ?!?!?

Anyone out there have any idea how to get in touch with Dave's Twacks & Twains?  I have send them e-mails and have called their phone line twice over the last 3 weeks, but the best I've gotten was their answering machine telling me that they had been closed for the summer and would be re-opening on the VERY SAME DAY that I just happened to call them (on the first call)!  Yet still they were not answering the phone.  I called again a few days later, and got the same answering machine.  I left a message BOTH times, but still have not received a reply to either of those OR the e-mail I first sent them.   So... are they open... or not?  That is the question!  And if so, how does one go about getting a reply from them?                                            http://www.davestnt.com     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75256	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/6/2014
Subject: Re: CONTACTING Dave's Twacks & Twains ?!?!?

Try this address    barb@...   Mike   In a message dated 9/6/2014 8:29:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Anyone out there have any idea how to get in touch with Dave's Twacks & Twains?  I have send them e-mails and have called their phone line twice over the last 3 weeks, but the best I've gotten was their answering machine telling me that they had been closed for the summer and would be re-opening on the VERY SAME DAY that I just happened to call them (on the first call)!  Yet still they were not answering the phone.  I called again a few days later, and got the same answering machine.  I left a message BOTH times, but still have not received a reply to either of those OR the e-mail I first sent them.   So... are they open... or not?  That is the question!  And if so, how does one go about getting a reply from them?                                            http://www.davestnt.com     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75257	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 9/6/2014
Subject: Re: CONTACTING Dave's Twacks & Twains ?!?!?

for those of you who have been unable to contact dave's twack & twains, just finished talking to one of the owners, clay buckage, the problem is, is that  he  has a full time job, out  here in the bay area, and only gets  home on the weekeds, and  his wife barb mans the operation back east, so keep plugging away, best thing to do is call them 919-926-7386, and yes they did shut down  this past summer to get caught up good luck mel perry On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Scaler164@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Anyone out there have any idea how to get in touch with Dave's Twacks & Twains?  I have send them e-mails and have called their phone line twice over the last 3 weeks, but the best I've gotten was their answering machine telling me that they had been closed for the summer and would be re-opening on the VERY SAME DAY that I just happened to call them (on the first call)!  Yet still they were not answering the phone.  I called again a few days later, and got the same answering machine.  I left a message BOTH times, but still have not received a reply to either of those OR the e-mail I first sent them.   So... are they open... or not?  That is the question!  And if so, how does one go about getting a reply from them?                                            http://www.davestnt.com     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75258	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/6/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/7/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 7, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75259	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/7/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/7/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 7, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75260	From: snstrains	Date: 9/8/2014
Subject: Re: Resetting Tsunami's

Yep... Steve Boise   In a message dated 9/5/2014 4:55:43 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   When you do the global reset (CV8 to value of 8 or the other one I can't remember) alledgedly all the CVs go to default values. Does this include the 03 address that the unit comes out of the envelope with??? Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75261	From: wb4hay	Date: 9/8/2014
Subject: Re: Resetting Tsunami's

Thanx, Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75262	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 9/9/2014
Subject: Water Tower Parts

To All: After a short hiatus of doing non AF stuff, I'm back working on the railroad. I have a operating water tower that's missing the metal piece that the solenoid moves for the spout, the linkage from that piece to the water spout and the return spring. Anyone have them to sell out of their junk, I mean "parts resource" box, drawer, etc.? Please let me know. Outside of parts missing, the water tower is in good shape. Regards Bob Moyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75263	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/11/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com on page 2 we take up a question which has ben quietly debated for several years, but now is the subject among motorsports authorities and writers:  How young is too young to drive a race car?  Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75264	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/12/2014
Subject: For sale: Lionel Flyer Southern Pacific GP-9s NIB

I have just received the #48000 powered unit and the #48002 dummy unit from the heir of an estate. Both are new in the original box. 2015 Greenberg book values are $190 and $135 respectively. The 2012 TM guide says $190 and $130 respectively. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75265	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/13/2014
Subject: For Sale: Ballston Erie Camelback

I just got in an Erie Camelback locomotive made by Ballston Locomotive Works. (For those not familiar with the Ballston Camelback, it is kitbashed from an A.C.Gilbert Atlantic locomotive.) It runs, reverses, and smokes well. In the finest A.C.Gilbert tradition, the reversing e-unit is rather sticky. The knuckle coupler works well. Cosmetically, it is in Like New condition. The original price of $194 is written on the box. I figure it should sell for about $160. Make offer. Pictures available on request. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75266	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/13/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/14/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 14, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75267	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/14/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/14/2014, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 14, 2014 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Privacy | Terms

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75268	From: James Lyle	Date: 9/14/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject

Mike, et.al I have the 20 Mule Team kits, very close to S.   Builds to close to 36" long. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 8:47 PM, "mike gardner tamerlane_46@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: If this too much off subject please edit it out. I am looking for western wagon for my S-guage layout.  I purchased some wagons years  ago and built the kits. They were made by Revell Models in the late nineteen-fifty early sixty later it was sold by Adams Models,UPC,Athern,and Model Power. Have these been sold recently by another company? These were 1/48 scale and included a ranch wagon ,medicine wagon, stagecoach,chuck wagon, and conestoga wagon. The difference in scale is not enough for my American Flyer to matter. Thank You ,Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75269	From: Sam & Peggy	Date: 9/14/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject

Borax had a promotion in the 50's. Send box tops & small change for the kit. It was a very nice set.  Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2014, at 8:39 PM, "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Mike, et.al I have the 20 Mule Team kits, very close to S.   Builds to close to 36" long. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 8:47 PM, "mike gardner tamerlane_46@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: If this too much off subject please edit it out. I am looking for western wagon for my S-guage layout.  I purchased some wagons years  ago and built the kits. They were made by Revell Models in the late nineteen-fifty early sixty later it was sold by Adams Models,UPC,Athern,and Model Power. Have these been sold recently by another company? These were 1/48 scale and included a ranch wagon ,medicine wagon, stagecoach,chuck wagon, and conestoga wagon. The difference in scale is not enough for my American Flyer to matter. Thank You ,Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75270	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 9/14/2014
Subject: Re: western wagons- off subject

Try <http://www.g-m-e.com/laserkit.html> for western wagons and buckboards in S scale. Lee Johnson On Sep 14, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Sam & Peggy boxcarsam@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Borax had a promotion in the 50's. Send box tops & small change for the kit. It was a very nice set.  Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2014, at 8:39 PM, "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Mike, et.al I have the 20 Mule Team kits, very close to S.   Builds to close to 36" long. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2014, at 8:47 PM, "mike gardner tamerlane_46@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: If this too much off subject please edit it out. I am looking for western wagon for my S-guage layout.  I purchased some wagons years  ago and built the kits. They were made by Revell Models in the late nineteen-fifty early sixty later it was sold by Adams Models,UPC,Athern,and Model Power. Have these been sold recently by another company? These were 1/48 scale and included a ranch wagon ,medicine wagon, stagecoach,chuck wagon, and conestoga wagon. The difference in scale is not enough for my American Flyer to matter. Thank You ,Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75271	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/16/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels, was Room For The Average Joe?

I have to agree with Earl that we aren't all perfect craftsmen and say that I subscribe to the good enough category of scale. Now without starting another row, what would be the interest in securing replacement scale tires for AF steamers and replacement scale wheels for leading, trailing and tender trucks and for the diesels. I have way too much AF to not use it and it will all shortly be converted to can motors.  To me scale tires would be a perfect solution. I've spoken with one supplier about this and there is some interest if enough people would buy them. So, any takers? Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/16/2014 1:59 PM, tennsgauge@... [S-Scale] wrote:   I missed some of the messages on this topic so I hope I am not repeating something already said.   I take exception to the comment about S being a builders scale if it is implying that it is limited to builders.    I admire the guys who are great builders, who count rivets, and win prizes at model contests.  I wish I was one of them.  But it is so grossly misleading if this comment is meant that imply all S scalers fit into that category.    One can be an excellent S Scaler if they have nothing but SHS locomotives and rolling stock with no modifications other than the use of scale couplers and scale wheels.  And of course the quality of the layout is important too.     By the way, I now have most of my stuff converted from highrail to scale including an AM pacific, 2 E8s, and an FA-FB-FA that American Models converted for me earlier this month.     Call me an "average Joe" and I am not offended.  But I am also an S scaler.       -  Earl Henry, Nashville        In a message dated 9/16/2014 9:59:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Scale@yahoogroups.com writes:   “This is a builders’ scale peopled by craftsmen who head down to their workbenches and actually make stuff for themselves and others to enjoy. “   If I may, I’d like to take slight exception to the above statement.  I’ve always been leery of the “builders scale” moniker because it automatically sets up an exclusion zone for those outside looking in.  Every scale has it’s craftsmen, it's not unique to S.  It’s just that unfortunately, it seems to be part of the entrance exam for S. Or is it? Is possible for the “average modeler” to exist in S Scale?  Yes, I’m living proof of that.  And my efforts elsewhere are an attempt at attracting the average modeler to S. However, I also let those interested know up front that it’s a scale that requires patience and effort to be in S.  In fact, more patience and effort than ten or so years ago.  There’s no silver platter. Now, perhaps I’m guilty of “being in the right place at the right time” for certain S products, but it seems like the rest of the model railroad industry is beginning to lean that way these days.  Build to Order, Just in Time, Limited Edition, whatever you want to call it, the other scale manufacturers are drifting away from warehousing product over the long term.  Once sold out, an item may or may not be rerun. Also, I’m primarily a freelancer, so I can adapt products more readily than someone who models a specific prototype couldn’t or wouldn’t. There is not one major scratchbuilt item on my railroad; a couple of wooden-post bumpers and a small staircase, yes.  However, they are only there because they were absolutely needed, not because I wanted to scratchbuild them. All of my structures are kits from various manufactures, but nothing that didn’t require a skill beyond those of an average modeler.  I would love it if some “plop ‘n play,” well detailed structures were available in S like our other scale friends have, but I don’t see that happening for a very long time. True, I’ve modified some AM and Flyer stuff to varying degrees, but the bulk of my rolling stock is out of the box.  I have only one locomotive that I put in a serious effort into following a specific prototype, and even then it comes up short on many road-specific details.  PRS kit cars and the occasional old Kinsman car also rattle around on my railroad along with AM and SHS stuff.  Some are weathered, most are not. I’ve never considered myself a craftsman, but don’t mind assembling something and possibly making small modifications.  However, as time passes I find myself less motivated to build, paint and decal.  I still have thing’s I’d like to do, but must wait until the spirit moves me.   Rich G(ajnak)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75272	From: snstrains	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: SnS Trains followup

This is just a follow up for any that may not have seen the August 25th announcement below.   As of August 25th 2014 I am again the owner of SnS Trains. Due to the passing of Rich Gillett who was a partner-owner, his brother Al is re-locating and cannot continue the business. I will have things up and running again within the next couple of days. Please feel free to call or email for any work related reasons. All the can motor options will be continued, along with Flyer repairs and restorations, DCC installations etc. My hours will be 10 AM to 8 PM mountain time, Monday through Saturday. Closed on Sundays.   Thanks for all the past business and looking forward to the future,    Steve Blackburn S-'n'-S Trains 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 Phone 208-376-1159 www.snstrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75273	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: AF to Scale wheels

I don't see a problem with this, they're YOUR trains after all.  But then again, because I like can motors, DC operation, and kit bash Flyer engines,  I'm kind of a "maverick" in the minds of many S scale or gauge people.   (Having said that, I do not condone kit bashing rare items or "scraping" running engines because they are worth more as parts.) I think your idea will get some support here, but will probably be a tougher sell among Scale guys because old Flyer is NOT considered "scale."  As to S being a "builder's scale," it is and it isn't.  You can buy Ready To Run and easy kit structures, but because selection is much more limited compared to HO or O gauge, it also gives kit and scratch builders opportunity for building lots of things.  You can enjoy this size if trains either way. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75274	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

Due to medical procedure tomorrow this week's missive is a day early at http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com   The title is "Gladiatorial Culture" on page 3 and takes up problems with sports figures.  It is definitely "off topic" and some may find it unsettling.   You have been warned. Stumpy in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75275	From: tennsgauger	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: Re: AF to Scale wheels

I have gotten rid of most of my American Flyer in an attempt to populate my future S-scale layout with scale equipment (wheels and couplers).    One steam locomotive that I would be interested in converting to scale wheels and KD couplers is my original 322 Hudson that I received at age 5.  It is somewhat beaten up in appearance so it would not be considered a rare collectible.  Also 322 Hudsons are pretty common.  This locomotive already has a can motor.  So I have no qualms about converting it to scale.  Unless I can convert it to scale, I do not know what I will do with it other than display it and possibly run it around the Christmas tree once a year using SHS sectional track.  But I definitely want to keep this locomotive for sentimental reasons.  (I agree with those who advise me to not be sentimental about their trains but in this case I just cannot help it).   I still have a Northern and a 326 Hudson that are nice in appearance.  Given the opportunity, I may or may not decide to convert these to scale operation.       -  Earl Henry, Nashville     In a message dated 9/17/2014 9:23:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I don't see a problem with this, they're YOUR trains after all.  But then again, because I like can motors, DC operation, and kit bash Flyer engines,  I'm kind of a "maverick" in the minds of many S scale or gauge people.   (Having said that, I do not condone kit bashing rare items or "scraping" running engines because they are worth more as parts.) I think your idea will get some support here, but will probably be a tougher sell among Scale guys because old Flyer is NOT considered "scale."  As to S being a "builder's scale," it is and it isn't.  You can buy Ready To Run and easy kit structures, but because selection is much more limited compared to HO or O gauge, it also gives kit and scratch builders opportunity for building lots of things.  You can enjoy this size if trains either way. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75276	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: Re: AF to Scale wheels

Thanks Stumpy for the support. Actually it has been really quiet on the s-scale list, one person who wants the tires and nobody threatening my life or ability to have more children. (at my age, really not an issue) When I replaced the motors with cans I saved all the parts so they could be restored should I ever want to.  Similarly if I can get the tires I will save the AF ones for possible future restoration should the kids desire to sell them some day, not soon I hope. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/17/2014 10:17 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I don't see a problem with this, they're YOUR trains after all.  But then again, because I like can motors, DC operation, and kit bash Flyer engines,  I'm kind of a "maverick" in the minds of many S scale or gauge people.   (Having said that, I do not condone kit bashing rare items or "scraping" running engines because they are worth more as parts.) I think your idea will get some support here, but will probably be a tougher sell among Scale guys because old Flyer is NOT considered "scale."  As to S being a "builder's scale," it is and it isn't.  You can buy Ready To Run and easy kit structures, but because selection is much more limited compared to HO or O gauge, it also gives kit and scratch builders opportunity for building lots of things.  You can enjoy this size if trains either way. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75277	From: Steve Wolcott	Date: 9/17/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels, was Room For The Average Joe?

How about some spoked drivers for AF steamers to go with the new tires? Steve Wolcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75278	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/18/2014
Subject: 370 series shell

Looking for any 370 series Flyer shell only. Preferably poor paint condition, as long as shell is blemish free ( no cracks, deep scratches, etc.). I am needing for a repaint project. Please check your parts boxes and incomplete projects, to see if you may be able to supply this part. Please contact me off list, with availability and price. mo2337@... Thanks, Larry Moore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75279	From: snstrains	Date: 9/18/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels, was Room For The Average...

Sam Rapp in Washington makes some. I have a set on a Pacific.   Steve, Boise   In a message dated 9/17/2014 4:58:28 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   How about some spoked drivers for AF steamers to go with the new tires? Steve Wolcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75280	From: raulf.polichar	Date: 9/18/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels, was Room For The Average...

Has anyone ever found out what happened to the old Nixon driver molds? They were great for converting Flyer and had a true scale width. The D holes allowed them to be quartered without special tooling. Raulf Polichar' ---- "boss31@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Sam Rapp in Washington makes some. I have a set on a Pacific. > > Steve, > Boise > > > In a message dated 9/17/2014 4:58:28 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > > > > How about some spoked drivers for AF steamers to go with the new tires? > > > > > Steve Wolcott > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75281	From: traindavid	Date: 9/18/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels,

Well, it really depends on how much "conversion" you want to do. While I have not followed the market recently, in the "good old days (1970s)" there were a lot of conversion kits or parts out there. If you just want to run your childhood engine on scale track, you probably could get away with changing out the wheel sets, and depending on the vintage of your engine, the main drivers might work without alteration. Gilbert changed flange depths over the years, and the early ones were pretty close to scale. If you want to detail it out as a scale engine (and this pretty much is non-reversible back to ACG) then there WERE replacement drivers, new tender trucks, and leading and trailing truck mods. Actually, considering the trailing truck design, it would be easier to just change it out and save the original for "future restoration"--if that is desired. The trailing truck was kind of an early, 'change it out, no serviceable parts" unit, being riveted together with the wheelsets in place. Good luck!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75282	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/19/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels, was Room For The Average...

We carry Sam’s open-spoke wheel sets (6-wheel and 8-wheel sets), but only in highrail, not scale. They are listed in our website AF PARTS catalog, under “WHEELS”.   <<<snstrains Sam Rapp in Washington makes some. I have a set on a Pacific. Steve, Boise In a message dated 9/17/2014 4:58:28 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: How about some spoked drivers for AF steamers to go with the new tires? Steve Wolcott >>>     Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75283	From: snstrains	Date: 9/20/2014
Subject: Don Thompson question

Don   Will you please email me your phone number? I have a problem with a consolidation upgrade and need some info from you. If you prefer to call me, the number is 208-376-1159   Steve SnS Trains Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75284	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/20/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 22 September 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 22 September 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75285	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/21/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 22 September 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 22 September 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75286	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 9/21/2014
Subject: Re: Don Thompson question

1-219-365-8330 On Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:08 PM, "boss31@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Don   Will you please email me your phone number? I have a problem with a consolidation upgrade and need some info from you. If you prefer to call me, the number is 208-376-1159   Steve SnS Trains Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75287	From: tennsgauger	Date: 9/21/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels,

I would be happy to simply be able to convert the wheels and coupler to S-scale.  But each step one takes moving toward scale seems to lead to a desire to take additional steps.     -  Earl Henry, Nashville   In a message dated 9/18/2014 2:43:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Well, it really depends on how much "conversion" you want to do. While I have not followed the market recently, in the "good old days (1970s)" there were a lot of conversion kits or parts out there. If you just want to run your childhood engine on scale track, you probably could get away with changing out the wheel sets, and depending on the vintage of your engine, the main drivers might work without alteration. Gilbert changed flange depths over the years, and the early ones were pretty close to scale. If you want to detail it out as a scale engine (and this pretty much is non-reversible back to ACG) then there WERE replacement drivers, new tender trucks, and leading and trailing truck mods. Actually, considering the trailing truck design, it would be easier to just change it out and save the original for "future restoration"--if that is desired. The trailing truck was kind of an early, 'change it out, no serviceable parts" unit, being riveted together with the wheelsets in place. Good luck!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75288	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/22/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels,

Yes. let me guess...First it's scale wheels and couplers.  Then you'd like more prototypical paint and lettering, perhaps "New York Central on the tender and a 5300 number on the cab..  But before you do that, you need to add various details to the locomotive.  How about converting to LED lights, and maybe a light in the firebox. But then you want to..... And on and on. I've been down this road before MANY times in kit bashing junk box finds to "Hi-rail" status.  As you plan your project and gather the various bits and pieces, just how far you want to go with an old Flyer engine?  Because the condition I find a locomotive in often makes some decisions for me, it's a little bit easier.  And, of course, I have no sentimental attachment to these items that I rebuild. Perhaps because your locomotive has sentimental value, you may want to leave it "as is" and buy another similar engine to "scaleize?" Now, if you wanted to change a diesel to scale, there is much less to do because all the "works" are inside the body.  But that's not so with a steam locomotive!  Which is why watching steam in action is so much more interesting! Ah, the fun never ends...:-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75289	From: wb4hay	Date: 9/22/2014
Subject: Challenger Cam 2 problem

I decided to give my Lionel Challenger a run after a while wrapped up. Did the wiring again per the book and was careful to not exceed 12 V AC. Flipped the switch and the loco happily started doing its air compresser noise and the lights came on. BUT, after a while I still couldn't get the CAM to come on and I was sure I pressed the red CRC switch. Do I need to change the nicad batteries?? Or what other things might it be?? Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75290	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/22/2014
Subject: Tomalco code 100 turnouts for sale

I have the following Tomalco code 100 standard gauge turnouts for sale. All are new  - never been soldered on by me. Some are still in the package. For some that are not still in the package a few are missing the long ground throw ties.   I am going on memory of this 10ish year old purchase. They were bought for a new yard module that never happened. I am almost sure I never bought any #4, and that a few as will be identified are #5. MOST are number 6.   4) #5 right   8) #6 right   1) #5 left   5) #6 left   18 turnouts total   Currently selling from Tomalco for $40.00 each. Let’s start at $35.00 each. I would much prefer that they all go to one new owner. A no haggle buy them all price gets free insured shipping.   All sales are final. No returns for any reason. This money is going elsewhere and is not easily refunded.   Please reply directly with your questions or interest.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75291	From: wb4hay	Date: 9/23/2014
Subject: Re: Challenger Cam 2 problem

Solved the problem--it got remembered that the mobile got "dropped."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75292	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 9/23/2014
Subject: Circus Posters

I was in the post office waiting to pick up the mail that had been on hold and looked at the wall display of commemorative stamps that displayed a sheet of twenty four circus poster stamps. They looked great for S gauge and it is hard to notice the "forever" message printed on each stamp. I you would like to have some circus posters displayed on your layout, see them at your post office. Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75293	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 9/23/2014
Subject: Re: Circus Posters

Excellent suggestion!!  I will check them out!   Best Regards   Paul Krause

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75294	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 9/23/2014
Subject: Scale wheels for an AF 0-8-0

Good morning: If you remember, I completely rebuilt my AF 0-8-0; SHS one-side insulated highrail wheelsets for the AF tender's side frames, DCC sound, firebox LEDs, motor upgrade, LED headlights and many other upgrades. I have numerous ideas on how to convert the couplers to scale.  I can hunt and purchase set of scale square axle wheelsets for the tender.  (The other type is the needle point wheel sets.)  I looked at Fred's web page and it only showed needle point.  I need to e-mail him if: I checked the 0-8-0's drivers.  The flanges on the rear wheels are a match for Nimco wheel flanges.  In case you didn't know, Nimco wheel set flange's are larger than true scale.  The front pair on the 0-8-0 are even larger.  I can can easily upgrade the tender to scale.  But I need a new set scale rims for the 0-8-0.  This will preserve the wheels and the white wall rings. Any help out there? Thorin Marty Milwaukee, WI 3a. Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels,     Posted by:  tennsgauge@... tennsgauger     Date: Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:08 pm ((PDT)) I would be happy to simply be able to convert the wheels and coupler to  S-scale.  But each step one takes moving toward scale seems to lead to a  desire to take additional steps.   -  Earl Henry, Nashville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75295	From: beebear	Date: 9/23/2014
Subject: Fostoria, Oho Train Show

Did someone mention that there was a train show this Saturday in Fostoria Ohio?  If so When and Where   John Frankforther ,_._,___ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75296	From: lx5043	Date: 9/24/2014
Subject: Re: Circus Posters

If you don't want to purchase the circus stamps you can visit the USPS website and just copy the images to your computer. Use a paint program to cut, crop and resize the posters any way you want. They are a very nice collection. You can also do a Google search and find a few others. You can start here....https://store.usps.com/store/browse/productDetailSingleSku.jsp?productId=S_472104&categoryId=forever-stamps

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75297	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/24/2014
Subject: Re: Scale wheels for an AF 0-8-0

If you find any please post the information. I need a set or 2 as well. Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/23/2014 4:51 PM, Thorin Marty lagthor@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Good morning: If you remember, I completely rebuilt my AF 0-8-0; SHS one-side insulated highrail wheelsets for the AF tender's side frames, DCC sound, firebox LEDs, motor upgrade, LED headlights and many other upgrades. I have numerous ideas on how to convert the couplers to scale.  I can hunt and purchase set of scale square axle wheelsets for the tender.  (The other type is the needle point wheel sets.)  I looked at Fred's web page and it only showed needle point.  I need to e-mail him if: I checked the 0-8-0's drivers.  The flanges on the rear wheels are a match for Nimco wheel flanges.  In case you didn't know, Nimco wheel set flange's are larger than true scale.  The front pair on the 0-8-0 are even larger.  I can can easily upgrade the tender to scale.  But I need a new set scale rims for the 0-8-0.  This will preserve the wheels and the white wall rings. Any help out there? Thorin Marty Milwaukee, WI 3a. Re: {S-Scale List}AF to Scale wheels,     Posted by:  tennsgauge@... tennsgauger     Date: Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:08 pm ((PDT)) I would be happy to simply be able to convert the wheels and coupler to  S-scale.  But each step one takes moving toward scale seems to lead to a  desire to take additional steps.   -  Earl Henry, Nashville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75298	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/24/2014
Subject: Another Must Have Tool

Micro-Mark is having a sale on these things for 5 days only. If you decide you just cannot wait for the Dremel Tool version, here is one to consider. It is a kit. "Easy to Assemble" - by that they mean "typical assembly time: 30 hours." Hmmm, not sure I want a new assembly hobby... http://www.micromark.com/3d-printer-kit,11656.html?ns_md=Email&ns_sc=Marketing&ns_cn=14WS063&ns_pc=14WS063&utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=14WS063 or http://tinyurl.com/MM-3D-Printer-Kit Bill (mastering the art of cross-posting) -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75299	From: lx5043	Date: 9/24/2014
Subject: Circus Stamp Images

Hi all, I added some of the USPS circus stamp images to the photo area.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75300	From: Chud	Date: 9/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fostoria, Oho Train Show

John,    It’s at Fostoria HS., 9 Am to 4 PM!  I’ll be helping out Allan Evans with the NASG layout.....see you there. Gary Chudzinski         Fostoria, Oho Train Show Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "beebear" johntech2004 Did someone mention that there was a train show this Saturday in Fostoria Ohio? If so When and Where John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75301	From: Milo Rodriguez	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: Re: Another Must Have Tool

Excellent Bill, I also like the Robo3D printer a bit better! Best Regards, Thanks            Milo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75302	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: A.F. Catalog?

I recently acquired an American Flyer Catalog that I can’t identify the date of origin.  In the past I have always been able to find the identification but this one has me stumped.  It is the normal size (8” x 11 ¼”) of the American Flyer catalogs, but it has a picture on the front used for the 1946 catalog which says “See How Much Realism American Flyer Gives You For Your Money”.  What may help identify it is the message in the lower right corner where there is a yellow with black print letter from A.C. Gilbert.  In this typed letter are four reasons why you should purchase the A.F. Trains.  This typed letter measures 3” x 5”, and I have tried to use Doyle’s book, “Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains” but with no luck.  Can someone out there help me identify it?   Thanks,   Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75303	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com "I've been bundled" by the telecommunications companies on page 4.  Turned up some interesting info in the meantime. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75304	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?

Mike, see Doyle's book page #280  Catalog D1473.                                       Tom Seccia On Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:23 PM, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: Hi Mike,                     I believe it is 1947. They used the same cover as 1946 on one of the 1947 catalogs.                                            Tom Seccia On Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:57 AM, "'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I recently acquired an American Flyer Catalog that I can’t identify the date of origin.  In the past I have always been able to find the identification but this one has me stumped.  It is the normal size (8” x 11 ¼”) of the American Flyer catalogs, but it has a picture on the front used for the 1946 catalog which says “See How Much Realism American Flyer Gives You For Your Money”.  What may help identify it is the message in the lower right corner where there is a yellow with black print letter from A.C. Gilbert.  In this typed letter are four reasons why you should purchase the A.F. Trains.  This typed letter measures 3” x 5”, and I have tried to use Doyle’s book, “Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains” but with no luck.  Can someone out there help me identify it?   Thanks,   Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75305	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?

Hi Mike,                     I believe it is 1947. They used the same cover as 1946 on one of the 1947 catalogs.                                            Tom Seccia On Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:57 AM, "'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I recently acquired an American Flyer Catalog that I can’t identify the date of origin.  In the past I have always been able to find the identification but this one has me stumped.  It is the normal size (8” x 11 ¼”) of the American Flyer catalogs, but it has a picture on the front used for the 1946 catalog which says “See How Much Realism American Flyer Gives You For Your Money”.  What may help identify it is the message in the lower right corner where there is a yellow with black print letter from A.C. Gilbert.  In this typed letter are four reasons why you should purchase the A.F. Trains.  This typed letter measures 3” x 5”, and I have tried to use Doyle’s book, “Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains” but with no luck.  Can someone out there help me identify it?   Thanks,   Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75306	From: alsflyer	Date: 9/25/2014
Subject: S Gauge Items for Sale - #1

I have several S gauge items for sale. This first listing has the following items: 1.  AMERICAN MODELS PA-1 A-B-A Diesel Set - Road Name: D&RGW with 4 stripes This American Models Set is nearly perfect. Condition is C-8 Like New. This engine set has only been run 6 to 8 times. When first purchased the sound unit died - American Models replaced the sound unit with a brand new sound unit. One step is missing from the B-unit.  Engines run smooth. Original box and paperwork. Sale Price:   $595.00 plus shipping.  Estimated shipping costs for Priority to be $25 to $35. Your choice if you prefer USPS 5-12 days Ground shipment. 2. RAIL KING reproduction of the American Flyer #787 LOG LOADER This item is brand new Mint in original box. Never opened.  Never operated. Sale Price:  $189.00 plus shipping. Estimated shipping costs for Priority to be $20 to $25. Your choice if you prefer USPS 5-12 days Ground shipment. 3. Lionel American Flyer reproduction of the American Flyer #772 CHECKERBOARD WATER TOWER This item is brand new Mint in original box. I did open the box and hooked up to a transformer to see if the tube bubbles. It did very well. Sale Price:  $89.00 plus shipping. Estimated shipping costs for Priority to be $12 to $15. Your choice if you prefer USPS 5-12 days Ground shipment. Photos of these items can be found on Yahoo Group AvailableSgauge photo section under File title S-Gauge for Sale - #1 - photos are not in order of this listing. I prefer payment using PayPal but will accept a cashier's check. Please pay as soon as possible. This sale is limited to the continental 48 United States only. Each item will be shipped after PayPal confirms secured funds or my bank confirms a cashier check is good.  I would prefer to ship this package USPS Priority Mail but if you want to cut shipping costs, I can ship it USPS ground 5-12 days, or whatever method you want. I will provide FREE INSURANCE on all items.  All Items sold As-Is.  No returns on any item. I will refund any over payment on shipping costs. I am going to be posting several items for sale over the next few weeks.  I am offering the following discounts on total purchase value of one or more items:    5% for total purchase value of $80 up to $200.    7% for total purchase value of $201 to $400.    9% for total purchase value of $401 and up. Please contact me off list at:  alsflyer@... AL PS - I will be away Friday, Saturday, Sunday for the funeral of a great friend.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75307	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 9/26/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?

Tom,   This A.F. Catalog could be a 1947, but it is not oversized and Doyle’s book does not show what this catalog says on the front.  Any ideas as it is not D1473?  There are no page numbers, could it be for a sales rep or . . .?  I thought someone would recognize the 3” x 5” note in the lower right hand corner from A.C. Gilbert.   Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75308	From: James Lyle	Date: 9/26/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?

Most catalog numbers were not prominent except to those who deal/dealt with them.   Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:41 AM, "'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Tom,   This A.F. Catalog could be a 1947, but it is not oversized and Doyle’s book does not show what this catalog says on the front.  Any ideas as it is not D1473?  There are no page numbers, could it be for a sales rep or . . .?  I thought someone would recognize the 3” x 5” note in the lower right hand corner from A.C. Gilbert.   Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75309	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 9/26/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?

Can you supply a picture?    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: trainsandhobbies@... Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A.F. Catalog?     Tom,   This A.F. Catalog could be a 1947, but it is not oversized and Doyle’s book does not show what this catalog says on the front.  Any ideas as it is not D1473?  There are no page numbers, could it be for a sales rep or . . .?  I thought someone would recognize the 3” x 5” note in the lower right hand corner from A.C. Gilbert.   Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75310	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/26/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?

Did you check the site info here,   MyFlyerTrains.Org - A.C. Gilbert Catalogs Index               MyFlyerTrains.Org - A.C. Gilbert Catalogs Index MyFlyerTrains.Org [Home] [All Aboard] [eBay] [Gilbert Catalogs] [Kris S Gauge Trains] [39 World's Fair] [Links] A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online! 1938 - ... View on myflyertrains.org Preview by Yahoo       Frank R. EMIRO From: "'Patrick McElroy' pmcelroy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: A.F. Catalog?   Can you supply a picture?    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: trainsandhobbies@... Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A.F. Catalog?     Tom,   This A.F. Catalog could be a 1947, but it is not oversized and Doyle’s book does not show what this catalog says on the front.  Any ideas as it is not D1473?  There are no page numbers, could it be for a sales rep or . . .?  I thought someone would recognize the 3” x 5” note in the lower right hand corner from A.C. Gilbert.   Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75311	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/26/2014
Subject: Re: A.F. Catalog?

I think this site might help more,   AMERICAN FLYER TRAINS S and HO CATALOGS and Paper             AMERICAN FLYER TRAINS S and HO CATALOGS and Paper Catalogs American Flyer Parts, American Flyer Supplies, American Flyer Reproductions & Railroading Supplies View on www.rfgco.com Preview by Yahoo       Frank R. EMIRO From: "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A.F. Catalog?   Most catalog numbers were not prominent except to those who deal/dealt with them.   Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:41 AM, "'Mike Leahy' gmichael.leahy@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Tom,   This A.F. Catalog could be a 1947, but it is not oversized and Doyle’s book does not show what this catalog says on the front.  Any ideas as it is not D1473?  There are no page numbers, could it be for a sales rep or . . .?  I thought someone would recognize the 3” x 5” note in the lower right hand corner from A.C. Gilbert.   Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75312	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/27/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 29 September 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 29 September 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75313	From: Eric	Date: 9/27/2014
Subject: S engines and Legacy Control system for sale

I have 2 Lionel-Flyer s gauge engines and a Legacy control system for sale. These are all like new but have been run basically for testing.  There are no marks or damage to any of them. All have original boxes and all packing, manuals, legacy cartridges, etc. 1.  Lionel American Flyer U33C Northern Pacific Diesel  includes extra scale wheels. Engine number3309.   Lionel number 6-48161.  New price was $479. My price $350  About 28% off. 2.  Lionel American Flyer Union Pacific Challenger Gray.   engine #3977.  Lionel number 6-48484.  New Price $999.  My price $700.  30% off. 3.  Lionel Legacy control system. Lionel number 990.,  #6-14295  New price $399.  My price $290.  about 29% off.  This has had one set of upgrades to I believe 103 (cartridges) Make me an offer. Shipping is extra,  All are big boxes so I will get bigger boxes to wrap them in. Probably ship for about $25 each with insurance. Eric Reis Kenmore Wa. NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99. Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75314	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/28/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 29 September 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 29 September 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75315	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/29/2014
Subject: New 990 Legacy Controller

Has anyone received one of the "new" 990 Legacy controllers? Is there anything physically different on them? Joe Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75316	From: stevew970	Date: 9/30/2014
Subject: Pre-Size website

The Pre-Size website is up and running.  http://www.presizemodels.com/ http://www.presizemodels.com/ View on www.presizemodels.com Preview by Yahoo  Since acquiring this company earlier this year, we have expanded the line of S-scale products, including a stone double track tunnel portal.  There are more S products in the pipeline.  In addition to the many cast-resin products, we also offer sagebrush and saltbrush tree armatures just the right size for S.  Come take a look. Pardon the multiple listings. Steve Wolcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75317	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: (off topic)

Sometimes events race ahead and I've again had to reschedule on  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com .  I had scheduled "Mr. Ebola" for later this month, but after events yesterday afternoon decided to post the article immediately.  I think you'll find it interesting in the very least, and everyone should be aware of what is going on. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75318	From: afot7	Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: Re: New 990 Legacy Controller

No

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75319	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: RCTHS Fall Train Show

RCTHS Fall Train Show is this Sunday morning at the Leesport Farmers Market, in Leesport, PA. Located NORTH of Reading, PA, on RT 61 North, dealer set-up is 0700 til 0900, show open til 1300. Tables are $ 20. Which includes ONE Adult admission. Contact Tom Brown @ 717-279-6783 or bjtsbrown@.... Jim" see you there " Lyle Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75320	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/1/2014
Subject: ] RCTHS Fall Train Show

Correction----Tom's email is mjtsbrown@... Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2014, at 8:20 PM, James Lyle WJJIM@... [Plasticville] <Plasticville@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > RCTHS Fall Train Show is this Sunday morning at the Leesport Farmers Market, in Leesport, PA. Located NORTH of Reading, PA, on RT 61 North, dealer set-up is 0700 til 0900, show open til 1300. Tables are $ 20. Which includes ONE Adult admission. > Contact Tom Brown @ 717-279-6783 or bjtsbrown@.... > Jim" see you there " Lyle > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: James Lyle <wjjim@...> > ------------------------------------ > > View Pix http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Plasticville/photos/browse/?b=1&m=l <br> > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75321	From: afjeff_56	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: River City Toy Train Show (Sacramento, Ca.)

Yes! There will be a lot of American Flyer S Gauge and More...     The River City Toy Train Show is coming to the Scottish Rite Center on Saturday, October 4,2014. See and buy toy trains from the past and present along with parts, accessories, and toy train related items. There are lots of operating toy train layouts and displays for the entire family to enjoy. The event is hosted by the Sacramento Valley Division of the Toy Train Operating Society. Club members will be happy to talk to beginners about the hobby of operating and collecting toy trains. Hours are from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Adult admission is $5.00 for single admission, $9.00 for families, and children under 12 are admitted free if accompanied by an adult. The Scottish Rite Center is located at 6151 H Street, Sacramento and has ample free parking.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75322	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: more turnouts for sale

I have 3 #6 wye using SHS code 138 rail custom made by Tomalco. All are new. Even thought they are the SHS rail they are for scale use only.   $50.00 each. Free shipping if you buy all 3.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75323	From: mike boyd	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: River City Toy Train Show (Sacramento, Ca.)

Thanks Jeff c u there On Thursday, October 2, 2014 4:46 AM, "afjeff_56@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  Yes! There will be a lot of American Flyer S Gauge and More...     The River City Toy Train Show is coming to the Scottish Rite Center on Saturday, October 4,2014. See and buy toy trains from the past and present along with parts, accessories, and toy train related items. There are lots of operating toy train layouts and displays for the entire family to enjoy. The event is hosted by the Sacramento Valley Division of the Toy Train Operating Society. Club members will be happy to talk to beginners about the hobby of operating and collecting toy trains. Hours are from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Adult admission is $5.00 for single admission, $9.00 for families, and children under 12 are admitted free if accompanied by an adult. The Scottish Rite Center is located at 6151 H Street, Sacramento and has ample free parking.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75324	From: pakrause5	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Re: more turnouts for sale

Bill are the SHS rails mounted on wooden ties?  Can u include a pic of one of them? Thx. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "'Bill Lane' bill@... [S-Trains]" Date:10/02/2014 9:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] more turnouts for sale   I have 3 #6 wye using SHS code 138 rail custom made by Tomalco. All are new. Even thought they are the SHS rail they are for scale use only.   $50.00 each. Free shipping if you buy all 3.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75325	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: Turnouts

The 3 #6 wye turnouts have been sold   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75326	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/2/2014
Subject: thank

Robert Conner ************************************************************************ ************************************************************************ From: Robert Conner 03.10.2014 4:51:35

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75327	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/3/2014
Subject: "Ten Wheeler Project" Part 2 posted

Part 2 of the "Ten Wheeler Project" has been posted on  http://myflyertrains.org  in the "Stumpy's Station" section.  In this part we start cutting plastic and preparing to change the look of the common Pacific. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75328	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/4/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 06 October 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 06 October 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75329	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 06 October 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 06 October 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75330	From: Joe Haughney	Date: 10/5/2014
Subject: Wire Wrap tool

Gentlemen When I was working my way through college in the mid sixties I  had a summer job with Pa AT&T as a frameman. I worked on a hundred thousand line frame in an intercity  building that was built like a bunker with backup power etc. Anyway, on the intermendiate distribution frame we used a wire wrap tool which was spring loaded and would tightly wrap the wire around posts. I am now wiring up a lot of S helper track and I was wondering if anyone had seen such a tool and where one might get it. I have soldered some of the track but that sort of tool would make life a bit easier. Anyway any thoughts, leads of suggestions would be appreciated.   Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75331	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/5/2014
Subject: YORK WEEK - OPEN HOUSE- TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED

TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED  OPEN HOUSE WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 15, 2014 STARTING AT 2:00 PM (around)   TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED 38 YORK ST.  HANOVER PA. 17331 ( 25 minutes from York, PA FAIRGROUNDS ) 1-717-637-4717     FOOD, DRINKS & PLENTY OF GOOD CONVERSATION       Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St., Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday, October the 16th, 2013. This is the week of the York TCA, Meet.      This year's event will start at 2 PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer & Lionel trains and accessories. Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer items to show and tell about (please bring  in your interesting Flyer items), and of course we will also have a large group of Flyer and Lionel operators and collectors visiting. Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your American Flyer & Lionel friends to come along. There is plenty of that stuff here to choose from. DIRECTIONS: From the York Fairgrounds, take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Route 30 west.  Follow Route 30 west (for approximately 8 miles) until you come to the intersection of Rt.116 & Route 30.  Turn left onto Rt.116.  From route 116 & 30 you will travel approximately 20 miles where Rt. 116 will become York St. in the town of Hanover.  As you enter the town of Hanover, travel approximately 2 miles. The train shop will be on the right side of York St./116.  Look for the Railroad Flag hanging from the front of the store.    POST & PRE-WAR LIONEL  ////  TRAINS & ACCESSORIES AMERICAN FLYER  ////  New & Used  TRAINS & ACCESSORIES MTH  ////  S & O Gauge TRAINS & ACCESSORIES AMERICAN MODELS, S-HELPER, K-LINE, DISCOUNT  TRAIN SETS THERE IS NO RETAIL PRICES IN THIS STORE !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75332	From: lou342ac	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool

Hi Joe,     Do a search on eBay. I got 621 results using wire wrap tool in my search. Haven't used one of those since the late eighties. Some of the digital control systems I used to work on had wire wrapped back planes. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75333	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool

Just "Google" it.  lots of choices.  Good idea.  I worked for GTE, but not in the central office. Ted Weiler Weatherford, TX On Sunday, October 5, 2014 10:50 PM, "'Joe Haughney' J.Haughney1@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Gentlemen When I was working my way through college in the mid sixties I  had a summer job with Pa AT&T as a frameman. I worked on a hundred thousand line frame in an intercity  building that was built like a bunker with backup power etc. Anyway, on the intermendiate distribution frame we used a wire wrap tool which was spring loaded and would tightly wrap the wire around posts. I am now wiring up a lot of S helper track and I was wondering if anyone had seen such a tool and where one might get it. I have soldered some of the track but that sort of tool would make life a bit easier. Anyway any thoughts, leads of suggestions would be appreciated.   Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75334	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool

Hi Joe,   Newark electronics likely has what you are looking for, but be sitting down when you see the price.  http://www.newark.com/wire-wrap-tools/prl/results .   The OK Industries hand operated tool, which is probably what you used, is still available.  Fry’s Electronics also carries a variety of WW tools.  I doubt however that wire-wrap will work well for your train stuff unless you are wrapping around machined posts, as you need to stretch the wire around the sharp corners of the post to get a gas-tight connection.      I still have my prototyping WW tool that fit into an electric eraser.  It was not as good as the dedicated professional tools, but it was all I could afford and seemed to work OK for the stuff I built.    Jerry F.    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 8:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Wire Wrap tool       Gentlemen When I was working my way through college in the mid sixties I  had a summer job with Pa AT&T as a frameman. I worked on a hundred thousand line frame in an intercity  building that was built like a bunker with backup power etc. Anyway, on the intermendiate distribution frame we used a wire wrap tool which was spring loaded and would tightly wrap the wire around posts. I am now wiring up a lot of S helper track and I was wondering if anyone had seen such a tool and where one might get it. I have soldered some of the track but that sort of tool would make life a bit easier. Anyway any thoughts, leads of suggestions would be appreciated.   Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75335	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool

Try MCM Electronics. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75336	From: stephen.terni	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: S Scale Movie Theater?

Has anyone know of a kit or source for an S scale movie theater? Anyone ever kitbashed an O or HO scale theater to approximate S?  I would like to do this however I really need some advice before I attempt it.  Thanks in advance for your comments. Steve Terni, Houston

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75337	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool

Joe,   Thought you might find this useful:   http://www.jonard.com/images/products/pdfs/10006_pdf1.pdf     Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 8:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Wire Wrap tool       Gentlemen When I was working my way through college in the mid sixties I  had a summer job with Pa AT&T as a frameman. I worked on a hundred thousand line frame in an intercity  building that was built like a bunker with backup power etc. Anyway, on the intermendiate distribution frame we used a wire wrap tool which was spring loaded and would tightly wrap the wire around posts. I am now wiring up a lot of S helper track and I was wondering if anyone had seen such a tool and where one might get it. I have soldered some of the track but that sort of tool would make life a bit easier. Anyway any thoughts, leads of suggestions would be appreciated.   Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75338	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale Movie Theater?

----- Original Message ----- From: stephen.terni@... [S-Trains] [Does] anyone know of a kit or source for an S scale movie theater?. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > Something like shown on page 18 of June 2006 Dispatch? If so, I know owner, we can ask him. tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75339	From: Herb and Bev Lanier	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale Movie Theater?

About 10 years ago I found a ceramic movie theater perfect for S; of course you have to paint it. You might try a crafts store if you’re interested. (I’ve yet to paint mine). Herb paflyrman   From: mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 4:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale Movie Theater?     Has anyone know of a kit or source for an S scale movie theater? Anyone ever kitbashed an O or HO scale theater to approximate S?  I would like to do this however I really need some advice before I attempt it.  Thanks in advance for your comments. Steve Terni, Houston

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75340	From: traindavid	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Wire Wrap

The Pipe Organ I work on uses pins for the wire connections very similar to the phone company stuff, so I made a tool to wire wrap, it's about 1/4" in diameter, has a hole in the center large enough to fit over the various pins (different diameters) and an offset hole large enough for the 22ga wire. Then we took off about 1/16" of the end across the two holes, leaving a little lip alongside them, this guides the wire around the pin as you turn the tool. We also machined away on side of the tool up about 1/4" from the end at the wire hole, so the wire can stick out when you put it in the hole. It works slick, and now that I think about it, we copied what we liked from a similar tool from Radio Shack--but I think that tool was too small for our use, so we made our own. I don't know if this will help you or not--and after wrapping, wires still needed to be soldered--we converted to a solid-state switching system, and it required that; the old electro-mechanical system didn't as the solid state is more sensitive to resistance in the wiring. I'm thinking that DCC control might have similar issues, in case you are going that direction. David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75341	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool

On 10/5/2014 8:50 PM, 'Joe Haughney' J.Haughney1@... [S-Trains] wrote: > *Gentlemen* > > When I was working my way through college in the mid sixties I had a > summer job with Pa AT&T as a frameman. I worked on a hundred thousand > line frame in an intercity building that was built like a bunker with > backup power etc. When i started my career in telecom, one of the first pbx's I worked on was an ITT TE-400. It was almost entirely wire wrapped and I got very good at it. Wire wrap depends on a square or rectangular post to cut into the wire to make a good connection. I've also built dozens of electronic gadgets using wire wrap sockets. I'm sure glad most of that is gone and is now software. Still have my original wire wrap tools but no, they are not for sale. As others have indicated, they are still available but pricey. Good luck and thanks for bringing back some memories. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75342	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale Movie Theater?

Hi Steve, I have found it looks better to adjust the ground floor of an HO building than that of an O one. When Walt Disney built his parks, he used that idea with ground floors normal size and the upper ones at 5/8 of normal. Miller Engineering www.microstru.com/index.html has had theater marquee signs in the past. The link below will show you an example of one of them. I don't see any listed on the Miller site. You might contact them to see if any are lying around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpEqsKRC870 I have had good luck with modifications made to Plasticville and some other common brands. All of those kits are made in batches. So, you must shop a bit to find the one for you. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/6/2014 4:40 AM, stephen.terni@... [S-Trains] wrote: Has anyone know of a kit or source for an S scale movie theater? Anyone ever kitbashed an O or HO scale theater to approximate S?  I would like to do this however I really need some advice before I attempt it.  Thanks in advance for your comments. Steve Terni, Houston

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75343	From: ejenterp@pacbell.net	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale Movie Theater?

My kit is the Rialto Theatre by Twin Whistle. It is on their website for $49.95. Twin Whistle Sign & Kit Co.  Twin Whistle Sign & Kit Co. scale models, kits, basswood. laser, laser-cut, paint, color, art, model railroad, buildings, structures, scale construction, firehouses, gas stations, diners, poli... View on twinwhistle.com Preview by Yahoo    You can probably get it through Doug Peck. Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75344	From: Joe Haughney	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool

Jerry F. Thanks for the user manual. It was enlightening and appears to be what I used a long time ago. Now I need to track down the jonard company if they still exist and see if I can get one. Regards, Joe Haughney   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Wire Wrap tool     Joe,   Thought you might find this useful:   http://www.jonard.com/images/products/pdfs/10006_pdf1.pdf     Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 8:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Wire Wrap tool       Gentlemen When I was working my way through college in the mid sixties I  had a summer job with Pa AT&T as a frameman. I worked on a hundred thousand line frame in an intercity  building that was built like a bunker with backup power etc. Anyway, on the intermendiate distribution frame we used a wire wrap tool which was spring loaded and would tightly wrap the wire around posts. I am now wiring up a lot of S helper track and I was wondering if anyone had seen such a tool and where one might get it. I have soldered some of the track but that sort of tool would make life a bit easier. Anyway any thoughts, leads of suggestions would be appreciated.   Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75345	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 10/6/2014
Subject: Re: Wire Wrap tool

They do (believe it or not)!  Just search Google for “Jonard”.   Amazon lists Jonard items, and you can get a Jonard JIC-22681 Hand Wire Wrap Tool for less than $17 from them (that was on p.3, but they list many more pages so there are likely more WW tools and supplies).   Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 4:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Wire Wrap tool     Jerry F. Thanks for the user manual. It was enlightening and appears to be what I used a long time ago. Now I need to track down the jonard company if they still exist and see if I can get one. Regards, Joe Haughney   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:59 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Wire Wrap tool     Joe,   Thought you might find this useful:   http://www.jonard.com/images/products/pdfs/10006_pdf1.pdf     Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 8:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Wire Wrap tool       Gentlemen When I was working my way through college in the mid sixties I  had a summer job with Pa AT&T as a frameman. I worked on a hundred thousand line frame in an intercity  building that was built like a bunker with backup power etc. Anyway, on the intermendiate distribution frame we used a wire wrap tool which was spring loaded and would tightly wrap the wire around posts. I am now wiring up a lot of S helper track and I was wondering if anyone had seen such a tool and where one might get it. I have soldered some of the track but that sort of tool would make life a bit easier. Anyway any thoughts, leads of suggestions would be appreciated.   Regards, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75346	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/7/2014
Subject: Re: S Scale Movie Theater?

Yes, we carry both the Twin Whistle Rialto kit, and the Miller animated marquee.   <<< You can probably get it through Doug Peck. >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75347	From: traindavid	Date: 10/7/2014
Subject: Prices for new stuff

Hi all. I just got a sale announcement from a "major train discounter" about some new GN passenger equipment in HO. The FA-B set list price is $530, sale price $477 (I'm rounding these to nearest dollar for simplicity), passenger cars "as low as" $56. Hmm, seems pretty comparable to what we're paying in S, so I don't see a price advantage anymore to the smaller scales. Of course, I'm ignoring all the multitudes of used stuff available out there for almost a song--although I picked up some fairly nice common AF freight cars at last weekend's trainshow for 3 for $5, and some at just under $10; even a dirty, scratched heavyweight combo car for $20, with a dirt 925 thrown in! So, even in S there are bargain used items out there. I even picked up a ratty C&EI Hopper for $10, it will look great on the layout & someone will wonder why I'm running such a car! (until they look closely, although one of the "broken steps" has factory paint even where the break is, so that's a factory flaw---they were just making toys! ) Back to work, later dudes & daisies! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75348	From: alsflyer	Date: 10/8/2014
Subject: S Gauge trains for sale

Just a reminder that I have the following items for sale: 1.  AMERICAN MODELS PA-1 A-B-A Diesel Set - Road Name: D&RGW with 4 stripes Sale Price:   $595.00 minus my discount of (9%) =  $53.55  to make it $541.45 - Let's change that to $540.00 Estimated shipping costs for Priority to be $25 to $35. Your choice if you prefer USPS 5-12 days Ground shipment. 2. RAIL KING reproduction of the American Flyer #787 LOG LOADER Sale Price:  $189.00 minus my discount of (5%) = $9.45 to give  $179.55 - Hey, change that to $179.00 Estimated shipping costs for Priority to be $20 to $25. Your choice if you prefer USPS 5-12 days Ground shipment. 3. Lionel American Flyer reproduction of the American Flyer #772 CHECKERBOARD WATER TOWER Sale Price:  $89.00 minus my discount of (5%) = $4.45 will give us $84.55 - Let's make that $84.00 Estimated shipping costs for Priority to be $12 to $15. Your choice if you prefer USPS 5-12 days Ground shipment. Photos of these items can be found on Yahoo Group AvailableSgauge photo section under File title S-Gauge for Sale - #1 - photos are not in order of this listing. I prefer payment using PayPal but will accept a cashier's check. Please pay as soon as possible. This sale is limited to the continental 48 United States only. Each item will be shipped after PayPal confirms secured funds or my bank confirms a cashier check is good.  I would prefer to ship this package USPS Priority Mail but if you want to cut shipping costs, I can ship it USPS ground 5-12 days, or whatever method you want. I will provide FREE INSURANCE on all items.  All Items sold As-Is.  No returns on any item. I will refund any over payment on shipping costs. Please contact me off list at:  alsflyer@... AL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75349	From: Eric	Date: 10/8/2014
Subject: Re: S engines and Legacy Control system for sale

> I have 2 Lionel-Flyer s gauge engines and a Legacy control system for sale. > These are all like new but have been run basically for testing.  There are no marks or damage to any of them. All have original boxes and all packing, manuals, legacy cartridges, etc. > > 1.  Lionel American Flyer U33C Northern Pacific Diesel  includes extra scale wheels. Engine number3309.   Lionel number 6-48161.  New price was $479. My price $350  About 28% off. > > 2.  Lionel American Flyer Union Pacific Challenger Gray.   engine #3977.  Lionel number 6-48484.  New Price $999.  My price $700.  30% off. > > 3.  Lionel Legacy control system. Lionel number 990.,  #6-14295  New price $399.  My price $290.  about 29% off.  This has had one set of upgrades to I believe 103 (cartridges) > > Make me an offer. > > Shipping is extra,  All are big boxes so I will get bigger boxes to wrap them in. Probably ship for about $25 each with insurance. > > Eric Reis EricRhere@... > Kenmore Wa. > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99. > > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75350	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/8/2014
Subject: Prices for new stuff

David, my experiences have been similar.  Across the board the prices for new trains in every scale have zoomed out of sight to ridiculous levels, prices of HO and N are getting similar to O and S gauge stuff as you point out.   Used HO and N scale stuff is almost worthless, with damn few exceptions.  The traditional "toy" train scales of O and S are also fabulously high, but again common used stuff in O and S is becoming priced realistically, even a bargain.  Rare items are rated higher in the value guides than they are selling for at train shows, but still up. The high prices of a new trains can be blamed on the low value of the US Dollar and the added electronics which just about all new stuff has.  The Dollar's worth world wide wouldn't be a problem if almost all train stuff was made here instead of in other countries (mostly China.)   While electronics are known to be cheap to manufacture, the mark up is tremendous when assembled into a train for some reason.  There is also the need for additional electronic devices not in the actual train to operate the on-board stuff, driving prices even higher. But beyond the high costs for we established hobbyists, there is a much larger effect.  NOBODY wants to talk about the decline of the train hobby overall due to our aging demographic, and to mention the effect upon it by stratospheric prices for new items seems to be "politically incorrect."  Yet this "one-two punch" is an unfortunate reality for the entire train hobby.  Being on a fixed income (like a LOT of us) I couldn't stay in this hobby if I didn't rebuild junk Flyer locomotives and rolling stock or do scratch building. To get a start in this hobby in any scale, you wouldn't have the skills to kit bash or build, so you have to have a large pile of money.  For today's younger folks the choice is too easy;  buy a locomotive or a computer.  And you KNOW which way they'll go! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75351	From: Frank	Date: 10/8/2014
Subject: Re: Prices for new stuff

Why is track so damn expensive???? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2014, at 4:22 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   David, my experiences have been similar.  Across the board the prices for new trains in every scale have zoomed out of sight to ridiculous levels, prices of HO and N are getting similar to O and S gauge stuff as you point out.   Used HO and N scale stuff is almost worthless, with damn few exceptions.  The traditional "toy" train scales of O and S are also fabulously high, but again common used stuff in O and S is becoming priced realistically, even a bargain.  Rare items are rated higher in the value guides than they are selling for at train shows, but still up. The high prices of a new trains can be blamed on the low value of the US Dollar and the added electronics which just about all new stuff has.  The Dollar's worth world wide wouldn't be a problem if almost all train stuff was made here instead of in other countries (mostly China.)   While electronics are known to be cheap to manufacture, the mark up is tremendous when assembled into a train for some reason.  There is also the need for additional electronic devices not in the actual train to operate the on-board stuff, driving prices even higher. But beyond the high costs for we established hobbyists, there is a much larger effect.  NOBODY wants to talk about the decline of the train hobby overall due to our aging demographic, and to mention the effect upon it by stratospheric prices for new items seems to be "politically incorrect."  Yet this "one-two punch" is an unfortunate reality for the entire train hobby.  Being on a fixed income (like a LOT of us) I couldn't stay in this hobby if I didn't rebuild junk Flyer locomotives and rolling stock or do scratch building. To get a start in this hobby in any scale, you wouldn't have the skills to kit bash or build, so you have to have a large pile of money.  For today's younger folks the choice is too easy;  buy a locomotive or a computer.  And you KNOW which way they'll go! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75352	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: S-Helper part question

Does anyone by chance know if S-Helper included rail joiners with their 40" Flex Track? Thanks, Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75353	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: S-Helper part question

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Harwood, Mine came with rail joiners. Alan   On Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:29 AM, "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Does anyone by chance know if S-Helper included rail joiners with their 40" Flex Track? Thanks, Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75354	From: Larry Moore	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: S-Helper part question

Harwood, The original S-Helper did include joiners. I am assuming MTH will also. Larry   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 11:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper part question     Does anyone by chance know if S-Helper included rail joiners with their 40" Flex Track? Thanks, Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75355	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: S-Helper part question

Howard: I bought 2 boxes but don't remember getting rail joiners with them.  I also bought rail joiners separately from SHS - both blackened and regular.  I use them and AM rail joiners - the latter seem to go on a little easier and the electrical connections seem ok. Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:29 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Does anyone by chance know if S-Helper included rail joiners with their 40" Flex Track? Thanks, Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75356	From: trndad	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Keeping a layout clean

I am hoping to start work on building a high-rail layout in the very near future, and I have a question.  How do you keep the layout clean from dust, and if it does get dusty, how do you remove it without losing scenery material such as ballast, turf, trees and bushes?  Is everything typically glued down so that a vacuum can be used?   Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75357	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Tower"

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we take a look at the many kinds of towers (water, coal, etc.)used in railroading throughout many years.  At the end we take a tiny peek at the future of railroading as well. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75358	From: traindavid	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: : Prices for New Stuff-track

In response: Posted by: "Frank" femiro2002@... femiro2002 Date: Wed Oct 8, 2014 5:55 pm ((PDT)) Why is track so damn expensive???? Well, new track is all built with plastic ties and roadbed; Old track was metal stampings, rail, and paper insulators. Plastic parts come from injection molds, requiring molds to be made, and injection molding equipment to make the actual parts. This stuff is ALL expensive. Any variation in a track piece (1/2 track, different radii, etc.) requires a different mold. The old track was made of components, all the ties were the same, the rail itself was the same, made from reels of flat metal pulled through forming dies. Changes in length only required cutting rails and selecting the appropriate number of ties from the parts bin. Different radii only required bending the rails, cutting them the right length, and again selecting the right number of ties. Of course each change would require an assembly fixture, but these could be made cheaply out of lumber! All very basic simple stuff. So old track was cheaper to make then new track! Realism wasn't a big issue until the late 1950s, and ACG did experiment with track with built in roadbed, I have recently seen some of the pre-production samples. By the same token, engine prices were held down by having shared components throughout the line; same armatures, fields, brush holders, smoke units. etc. etc. The new productions from Flyonel do not seem to consider that idea much if at all! This also increases spare parts inventory--oh, wait, WHAT spare parts??? :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75359	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: American Models at York??

Hi Folks, Tomorrow morning I begin my northward drive to catch the Auto-Train. When I arrive, it will be a bunch of friend stuff and train stuff culminating in York. I do not see a mention of American Models in the Orange Hall. Does anyone know if they will be up there somewhere? Some other hall? Bandit meet? Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75360	From: trndad	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: American Models at York??

Never seen them at a York show, but I've only been to the last 4 of them. Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75361	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: Keeping a layout clean

Hi Dean, I recommend that you glue it down and vacuum. Also, a very soft paint or make-up brush swishing in front of the hand-vac will do wonders. A dab of white glue to hold people or other such details in place is also important. Avoid real strong vacuum cleaners or anything else that might suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/9/2014 2:05 PM, trndad@... [S-Trains] wrote: I am hoping to start work on building a high-rail layout in the very near future, and I have a question.  How do you keep the layout clean from dust, and if it does get dusty, how do you remove it without losing scenery material such as ballast, turf, trees and bushes?  Is everything typically glued down so that a vacuum can be used? Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75362	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: S-Helper part question

Yes, the originals all had joiners included. Joiners could also be purchased separately. The AM joiners will also work if you're short of SHS joiners. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Alan Lambert alanlambert64@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Harwood, Mine came with rail joiners. Alan   On Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:29 AM, "HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Does anyone by chance know if S-Helper included rail joiners with their 40" Flex Track? Thanks, Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75363	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: S-Helper part question

I agree with Rance. The AM joiners go on a little easier. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Howard: I bought 2 boxes but don't remember getting rail joiners with them.  I also bought rail joiners separately from SHS - both blackened and regular.  I use them and AM rail joiners - the latter seem to go on a little easier and the electrical connections seem ok. Rance Velapoldi  (Tranby, Norway) On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:29 PM, HOwingsiii@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Does anyone by chance know if S-Helper included rail joiners with their 40" Flex Track? Thanks, Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75364	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: American Models at York??

Ron Bashita of American Models has not been there in the 12 years I have been attending York, I live locally and go to the pre meet shows and he is not there.  However there is a vendor in the orange hall that always has a hugh selection of American Models trains.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75365	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: American Models at York??

Thanks Keyhole, That is what I wanted to know. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/9/2014 6:09 PM, keyhole_corona@... [S-Trains] wrote: Ron Bashita of American Models has not been there in the 12 years I have been attending York, I live locally and go to the pre meet shows and he is not there.  However there is a vendor in the orange hall that always has a hugh selection of American Models trains. Posted by: keyhole_corona@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75366	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/9/2014
Subject: Re: Keeping a layout clean

I second the plan to glue down ballast and any ground cover.  I do this on all my portable layouts and a small hand vac will take care of most dust.  However, I do not glue down trees, figures, autos, or buildings because I find them easier to clean when off the layout.   I use a soft brush for those.  All removable items are packed in large boxes for transport and storage when not in use which further cuts down on cleaning. When being stored or moved, I like to wrap layouts in plastic, and at shows use a couple of those disposable table cloths to cover the layout overnight.  They're very light so they don't damage anything.  You'd be surprised how much dust is stirred up by foot traffic that lingers in the air for long periods.  I even use table cloths for when I have a layout set up for long periods at home. Even taking such precautions, you still pick up dust on rail heads.  For this I push one of my cars equipped with a "dragger" cleaning pad under ahead of a train every so often during a show. John Allen developed these way back in the early fifties and just about every model railroader made one for themselves for regular maintenance in the old days.  I have at least one for every scale I've been in. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75367	From: racin510	Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Keeping a layout clean

Have an air purifier running full time in the train room.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75368	From: trndad	Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: American Models at York??

I believe that vendor is Bill Parr.  Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75369	From: trndad	Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Keeping a layout clean

Guys, all great suggestions.  Can't wait to get started.  Thanks again! Dean

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75370	From: wyoaf	Date: 10/10/2014
Subject: Re: Keeping a layout clean

This is a 12' parachute that I use as a dust cover for my 6 x 10 AF Layout.   Its center support is a $10 camera tripod that I got at Bart's Flea Market in Laramie. /  John Davis  Noblesville IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75371	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/11/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 13 October 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 13 October 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75372	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/12/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 13 October 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 13 October 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75373	From: jhwysopal	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Unknown AF box

I recently purchased a lot of AF trains which I believe was a "Hit or Miss" set. Included was an empty red and white AF box labeled  " 24006- (space) BOX CAR". Does anyone know anything about this box? A box car will fit in it. Thanks for your help. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75374	From: David McBrayer	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box

Jim, Your missing information is “Great Northern”.  Please refer to this web page for more info, http://thegilbertgallery.org/Freight%20Gallery/boxcars3.html.  The Gilbert Gallery is really helpful for searches like this.  It includes a picture of the 24006 version and the early 913 version a bit more than ¾ down the above page.       Cheers, Dave   d_mcbrayer ‘at’ comcast ‘dot’ net   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 04:18 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Unknown AF box     I recently purchased a lot of AF trains which I believe was a "Hit or Miss" set. Included was an empty red and white AF box labeled  " 24006- (space) BOX CAR". Does anyone know anything about this box? A box car will fit in it. Thanks for your help. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75375	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box

Hi Jim  Greenberg’s Price Guide Book said 24006 is a Great Northern Box Car made between 57-58 it’s Value is  $250.00 the 20130 is uncatalogued made in 1957 and had the following items in it 283 Engine with wrapper of 21014, 921 C.B.& Q Hopper Car, 925 Gulf Tank car, 924 CRP Hopper car, 911 C & O Gondola car with pipe load, 916 D & H Gondola car with 5 Canisters, 3 926 New Haven Flat car with Lumber Load, 802 IC Reefer Car 803 Santa Fe Box car, 804 N & W Gondola Car,805 Pennsylvania Gondola Car, 806 Caboose Accessories are as follows 20-702 Curve Track,18 700 Straight Track, 4 701 Half section Straight track, 2 703 half Curve track, 725 90 degree crossing track, pair of 722A Manual Switches, 704 Manual uncoupler, 53 693 Track Locks, 690 track terminal, 1 ½ transformer This set like many of the other uncatalogued sets were a way for the Gilbert company to use up a lot of the 3 digit cars and cheaper cars  this information came from the book Greenbergs  book volume 3 Sets by Joe Deger and is located on page 104 hope this helps estimated cost of set in original box with cars in boxes is 260.00-400.00 price is based on book, I am sure it’s much higher        Stan Sobieski From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:18 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Unknown AF box     I recently purchased a lot of AF trains which I believe was a "Hit or Miss" set. Included was an empty red and white AF box labeled  " 24006- (space) BOX CAR". Does anyone know anything about this box? A box car will fit in it. Thanks for your help. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75376	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box

According to the info I have it's a GN in Tuscan & white made in 1958.   Rarity is 5 out of 5 in the price and rarity guide. Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75377	From: lx5043	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: AF RailSounds Boxcars

Does anyone have any experience with the new Flyer RailSounds Boxcars in the 2014 catalog on page 38? I'm wondering if you need a special transformer for these or if they will work with something like an 18B or 30B type transformer? Would really like to get one if it will work with my old style transformers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75378	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box

I see 2500, in the 2013 & 2014  Greenburg Price Guides as EXC and no other price or condition. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2014, at 6:30 AM, "'David McBrayer' d_mcbrayer@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Jim, Your missing information is “Great Northern”.  Please refer to this web page for more info, http://thegilbertgallery.org/Freight%20Gallery/boxcars3.html.  The Gilbert Gallery is really helpful for searches like this.  It includes a picture of the 24006 version and the early 913 version a bit more than ¾ down the above page.       Cheers, Dave   d_mcbrayer ‘at’ comcast ‘dot’ net   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 04:18 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Unknown AF box     I recently purchased a lot of AF trains which I believe was a "Hit or Miss" set. Included was an empty red and white AF box labeled  " 24006- (space) BOX CAR". Does anyone know anything about this box? A box car will fit in it. Thanks for your help. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75379	From: frank emiro	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: AF RailSounds Boxcars

Just a quick comment, I would think it depends how much usage of volts & amps are being used to operate a consist on the track of operation.  Also if the power is stopped or reversed, it might short and shut it off. Then it would need to be restarted to function properly.  Just my two rails, LOL.   Frank R. EMIRO From: "johnpalm@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF RailSounds Boxcars   Does anyone have any experience with the new Flyer RailSounds Boxcars in the 2014 catalog on page 38? I'm wondering if you need a special transformer for these or if they will work with something like an 18B or 30B type transformer? Would really like to get one if it will work with my old style transformers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75380	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: AF RailSounds Boxcar

While I have no experience with the  new Flyonel cars, I worked twenty years in a hobby shop which sold all scales and gauges.  Similar Lionel cars came out some years ago in O gauge three rail about the time on-board sound was catching on.  They were meant to add the sounds of a steam or diesel loco to a train which otherwise did not have sounds.  I think there was also a "circus" RailSounds car announced, but we never saw it at the shop. These O gauge RailSounds cars did not require any special transformer, and I think had an on-off switch on the cars themselves.  They were all boxcars, and some were later made in steam loco tenders to replace the "soundless" tender in train sets.  They were a fairly good buy at $99.95. About this same time MTH and others also came out with sound cars, they were lower priced and a bit better.  Beside trains sounds, there were cattle cars with cows, pigs, and chickens which operated on a swinging pendulum deal.  The harder you went around the curves, the more the animals got upset!  The chickens were REALLY hilarious when ripped around the club layout at speed!  You could just picture the feathers flying! :-) In many cases, the cars with sound were better than the locomotive sounds because the speakers were bigger and there was more room for the electronics with background noises like steam release, air pumps, and brake noise.  And you only needed one car to give sound to any number of trains. I would imagine that the new Flyonel cars would be similar to the old Lionel O gauge ones. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75381	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/13/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box

Thisbox and the number printed on it was a 1957 production box. Most numbers for that year were called "Transition Numbers" that you would find on the red/white boxes for 1957.  The car that came in that box was almost always a 913 GN boxcar.  There are only a handful of 24006 in the position of collectors, one being myself.  The picture in the Gilbert Gallery is from my collection. This car is in the list of top rarest items in S ga. Harwood Owings -----Original Message----- From: Frank Emiro femiro2002@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Unknown AF box   I see 2500, in the 2013 & 2014  Greenburg Price Guides as EXC and no other price or condition. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2014, at 6:30 AM, "'David McBrayer' d_mcbrayer@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Jim, Your missing information is “Great Northern”.  Please refer to this web page for more info, http://thegilbertgallery.org/Freight%20Gallery/boxcars3.html.  The Gilbert Gallery is really helpful for searches like this.  It includes a picture of the 24006 version and the early 913 version a bit more than ¾ down the above page.       Cheers, Dave   d_mcbrayer ‘at’ comcast ‘dot’ net   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 04:18 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Unknown AF box     I recently purchased a lot of AF trains which I believe was a "Hit or Miss" set. Included was an empty red and white AF box labeled  " 24006- (space) BOX CAR". Does anyone know anything about this box? A box car will fit in it. Thanks for your help. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75382	From: bud9351	Date: 10/14/2014
Subject: Needed floors for AF New Haven coaches

Hello,     I have a friend looking for a couple floors for the AF New Haven coaches. Preferably the cast floors with the integral steps. Anyone have any junkers or floors left over from previous projects?    Thanks,     Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75383	From: James Wysopal	Date: 10/14/2014
Subject: Re: Unknown AF box

Thanks for the information. Unfortunately, the 913 is in the cars I bought. Still nice to know. Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75384	From: stevew970	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: New Bridge Abutment

Attachments : 004.JPG The newest addition to our line of S-scale products is a stone bridge abutment. For the particulars see the website http://www.presizemodels.com/ . Ed Sauers requested abutments he could use with the through-truss bridges from Plasticville and Lionel. They will work with plate girder bridges as well. Mount Blue has a kit for a deck for the Plasticville bridge. I am working on a deck for the Lionel bridges. I'm not sure if this will turn into a kit or an article on how to make your own. But the next items coming down the track are bridge shoes. Steve Wolcott Pre-Size Model Specialties

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75385	From: timstrains2000	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: I've Been Working On The Railroad

Folks, in honor of the York Train Meet, I offer this: I've Been Working On The Railroad I've Been Working On The Railroad An American Folk song of unknown origin. Accompaniment, courtesy of the Yahoo Band-In-A-Box Group. Be sure to listen for my "train whistle" and SOS distre... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo Be sure to listen for my "train whistle" and SOS distress signal! I have always wanted to do this song in a funk/bebop style. Enjoy! ...Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75386	From: lx5043	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: S gauge track and coupler gauge.

Does anyone know where I might purchase a S scale NMRA standards track and coupler gauge or one like it? They do not have any listed for sale on their website store only every other gauge. Are they discriminating against us S gauger’s?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75387	From: Carey Probst	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge track and coupler gauge.

If I remember correctly S Scale gauges are available from the NASG site, not the NMRA one. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 10/15/2014 12:33 PM, johnpalm@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Does anyone know where I might purchase a S scale NMRA standards track and coupler gauge or one like it? They do not have any listed for sale on their website store only every other gauge. Are they discriminating against us S gauger’s?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75388	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge track and coupler gauge.

Did you check out www.nasg.org  Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2014, at 9:33 AM, "johnpalm@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Does anyone know where I might purchase a S scale NMRA standards track and coupler gauge or one like it? They do not have any listed for sale on their website store only every other gauge. Are they discriminating against us S gauger’s?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75389	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge track and coupler gauge.

Group, The NMRA and the NASG have just swapped, or are in the middle of mailing each other, a batch of each other's gauges. What this means is that both the NMRA *AND* the NASG have both the standard S gauge and the Sn3 gauge in stock or will soon have them. I believe they are $5 for members and $12 for non-members (of the organization through which you purchase it). For NMRA members, see the NMRA web site, and for NASG members contact Roy Meissner (rmeissner@...), or go to the NASG web site, and click on the Store button for more info. This was a recent development facilitated by the NASG prez Bill Winans. As soon as we get a good-quality photo of the Sn3 gauge, we will post it on the NASG web site and in The Dispatch. - Peter. (NASG webmaster) http://www.nasg.org/ On 10/15/2014 12:51 pm, Carey Probst s-scale@... [S-Trains] wrote: > > > If I remember correctly S Scale gauges are available from the NASG site, > not the NMRA one. > > Carey > > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 10/15/2014 12:33 PM, johnpalm@... [S-Trains] wrote: >> >> >> Does anyone know where I might purchase a S scale NMRA standards track >> and coupler gauge or one like it? They do not have any listed for sale >> on their website store only every other gauge. Are they discriminating >> against us S gauger’s? -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/ My business site: http://fourthray.com/ Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/ NASG site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75390	From: Frank	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge track and coupler gauge.

Thank you for this good info, Frank Emiro Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Peter Vanvliet groups@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Group, The NMRA and the NASG have just swapped, or are in the middle of mailing each other, a batch of each other's gauges. What this means is that both the NMRA *AND* the NASG have both the standard S gauge and the Sn3 gauge in stock or will soon have them. I believe they are $5 for members and $12 for non-members (of the organization through which you purchase it). For NMRA members, see the NMRA web site, and for NASG members contact Roy Meissner (rmeissner@...), or go to the NASG web site, and click on the Store button for more info. This was a recent development facilitated by the NASG prez Bill Winans. As soon as we get a good-quality photo of the Sn3 gauge, we will post it on the NASG web site and in The Dispatch. - Peter. (NASG webmaster) http://www.nasg.org/ On 10/15/2014 12:51 pm, Carey Probst s-scale@... [S-Trains] wrote: > > > If I remember correctly S Scale gauges are available from the NASG site, > not the NMRA one. > > Carey > > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 10/15/2014 12:33 PM, johnpalm@... [S-Trains] wrote: >> >> >> Does anyone know where I might purchase a S scale NMRA standards track >> and coupler gauge or one like it? They do not have any listed for sale >> on their website store only every other gauge. Are they discriminating >> against us S gauger’s? -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/ My business site: http://fourthray.com/ Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/ NASG site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75391	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 10/15/2014
Subject: Re: I've Been Working On The Railroad

That was fun, Tim!  Thanks toyou and your trombone man! Jim E. From: "timstrains2000@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:09:14 AM Subject: [S-Trains] I've Been Working On The Railroad   Folks, in honor of the York Train Meet, I offer this: I've Been Working On The Railroad I've Been Working On The Railroad An American Folk song of unknown origin. Accompaniment, courtesy of the Yahoo Band-In-A-Box Group. Be sure to listen for my "train whistle" and SOS distre... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo Be sure to listen for my "train whistle" and SOS distress signal! I have always wanted to do this song in a funk/bebop style. Enjoy! ...Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75392	From: lx5043	Date: 10/16/2014
Subject: Re: S gauge track and coupler gauge.

Thank you all for pointing me in the right direction. For anybody else that needs it here is the order page for NASG.   NASG - Company Store Order Form NASG - Company Store Order Form To order NASG merchandise, complete this order form below, print it, and mail it, along with your payment, to the address shown on the right. Make checks payab... View on nasg.org Preview by Yahoo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75393	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/16/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE (off topic)

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  we take up some "Motorsports Questions."   Is Indy Car racing still viable?  Does NASCAR need "The Chase" when NOBODY else will touch such a system?  These and other questions come up today. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75394	From: ee_train	Date: 10/16/2014
Subject: Bay window - cupola caboose prototype

Here in St. Louis is a bar/restaurant call the Train Wreck Saloon. Part of the saloon is the caboose shown in the photos in the 'bay window caboose' album in our group photos. While this is more like the Gilbert 630 caboose body with bay windows attached, it does sport both cupola and bay windows and was a prototype caboose at some point in its career. Can't tell what railroad it is from as has been overpainted. Bill Drake St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75395	From: mpcantu88	Date: 10/17/2014
Subject: Looking for a 314 aw

Hey guys...looking for a 314 aw with whistle control box. Preferably with diecast trailing truck. Please let me know if anyone is willing to sell one. You can contact me at mpcantu@.... Thank you for your help Michael cantu

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75396	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 10/17/2014
Subject: Announcement: New Product from RLN Publishing

Hello fellow S scale modelers.  I'm pleased to announce that our latest product, "1:64 Modeling Guide: The Complete Volume 12" on CD, will be released on October 25, 2014.  This CD contains the last four issues of the magazine, in horizontal PDF format with interactivity.  Perfect for those that wanted the e-zines, but either didn't want it sent as an e-mail attachment, or their e-mail provider didn't allow or restricted e-mail attachments. The pre-release price is perfect, too: just $17.95 - a $5 savings over the regular price, plus FREE shipping!  Quantities are limited.  Offer ends October 24.  Visit http://www.rlnpublishing.com/164-modeling-guide.html to order and to read a listing of the feature articles. Of course, the issues are still available individually as PDFs for $5.95 each (sent as an e-mail attachment). I hope you'll take a look and order a copy, or two!  Makes a great gift. Bob Nalbone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75397	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/18/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 20 October 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 20 October 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75398	From: John Frankforther	Date: 10/18/2014
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 20 October 2014

Attachments : Is there anyone on here on Sundays?  I have stopped in there several times and no one is on.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 20 October 2014     "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 20 October 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar Privacy | Terms This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75399	From: lx5043	Date: 10/18/2014
Subject: Marx 438 Crossing Gate

Has anyone here been able to get a Marx 438 Crossing Gate to work with American Flyer track or transformer. I picked this very good condition gate up at a flea market today and could not get it to work with either my 18B or 30B transformers (seems to short out on testing). After finding the instructions on line which are designed for hook up to Marx 3 rail track, it uses a rail clip. I have a track trip or a Lionel 145C track contactor I can use. Any advice will be appreciated. Here is a picture of one with the directions I found on line.http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARX-No-438-AUTOMATIC-CROSSING-GATE-WITH-ORIGINAL-BOX-/311131978032?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4870e93930

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75400	From: snstrains	Date: 10/19/2014
Subject: Re: Marx 438 Crossing Gate

Should work exactly the same on Flyer track as on Marx. Probably a short in the tower or in the coil.   Steve Boise   In a message dated 10/18/2014 7:14:07 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Has anyone here been able to get a Marx 438 Crossing Gate to work with American Flyer track or transformer. I picked this very good condition gate up at a flea market today and could not get it to work with either my 18B or 30B transformers (seems to short out on testing). After finding the instructions on line which are designed for hook up to Marx 3 rail track, it uses a rail clip. I have a track trip or a Lionel 145C track contactor I can use. Any advice will be appreciated. Here is a picture of one with the directions I found on line.http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARX-No-438-AUTOMATIC-CROSSING-GATE-WITH-ORIGINAL-BOX-/311131978032?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4870e93930

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75401	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 10/19/2014
Subject: 21130 Tender Needed

I am looking for a tender for the A.F. 21130 Night Hawk.  Mine has lost 3 of the 4 steps so I would need a complete tender with the knuckle couplers.  However I could get by with just the New York Central shell.  My email address is below.    Thanks,   Mike gmichael.leahy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75402	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/19/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 20 October 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 20 October 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75403	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/19/2014
Subject: Gilbert Atlantic Tenders

Did Gilbert ever make a diecast tender for an Atlantic? My books refer only to sheet metal and plastic, but an ebay store that has 99% positive feedback in 3000+ transactions over ten years selling on ebay had three diecast tenders listed for sale; I would think they would know the difference between plastic and diecast, and would have a lot of credibility. But none sold, which sounds like nobody took them seriously. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75404	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/20/2014
Subject: LBR White Decal Sets (Advertisement)

We post here very seldom but think now would be an opportune time.      After more than five years of testing LBR Enterprises,llc has perfected decal sets in WHITE ONLY (at this time) where in the decal film appears to disappear. This new form of decal is to be used only on a FLAT PAINTED SURFACE preferably on FLAT BLACK.      As we all know flat black is probably the hardest color to use water slide decals on and get a nice result. That is the main reason we have perfected this decal and the instructions that go with them.      If you would be interested in trying these CUSTOM DECAL SETS please contact    dave@...  and we will email you more information about our NEW CUSTOM WHITE DECAL SETS. D.R. Benson, Owner / Graphics Artist LBR Enterprises,llc dave@....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75405	From: Tom David	Date: 10/20/2014
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 20 October 2014

Hi I wish to temporary withdraw from group international travel. Data expensive how do I do that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From a Moderator: I set your profile to no E-mails. You can change it back when you want them again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75406	From: R G	Date: 10/20/2014
Subject: Re: Gilbert Atlantic Tenders

I personally doubt if they ever made a die cast tender for the Atlantic's and low end Pacific locomotives. They use the pre war designed sheet metal tender until I believe 1952. They than switch to the plastic tender. As far as I know you cannot use a die for making plastic parts to make Zinc die cast parts. There is no economic reason for Gilbert to make a die cast tender for low end high profit locomotives and invest in additional tooling. On Sunday, October 19, 2014 2:55 PM, "Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Did Gilbert ever make a diecast tender for an Atlantic? My books refer only to sheet metal and plastic, but an ebay store that has 99% positive feedback in 3000+ transactions over ten years selling on ebay had three diecast tenders listed for sale; I would think they would know the difference between plastic and diecast, and would have a lot of credibility. But none sold, which sounds like nobody took them seriously. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75407	From: stevew970	Date: 10/20/2014
Subject: shoes

Attachments : 012.JPG 001.JPG Now there is something to come between your bridge and your abutment. You can stop holding your breath, the bridge shoes are here. Two sizes. Details on the website http://www.presizemodels.com/ . Steve Wolcott Pre-Size Model Specialties

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75408	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Looking for a 314 aw

A 314AW has popped up on eBay. I didn’t notice if it had a control, but I would ask in any case.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75409	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers

Attachments : Hi S-Ganger’s.  I contacted Lionel Central by e-mail today and inquired about the Hi-Rail 70-Ton Trucks (6-49081) to retrofit the scale wheels on the Cylindrical cars and was told that they were not going to be manufactured.  I have two Norfolk Southern Cylindrical Hoppers for my ES Diesel and they derail on all my layout curves because of the scale wheels and the short turning radius of the trucks or couplers when attached to the engine.   I’m not sure if it’s the trucks or couplers at this point.  Anyhow, I’m very disappointed as an operator and collector of Hi-Rail American Flyer that Lionel decided not to produce the 70-Ton Trucks to resolve the derailment problem.  At this point, does anyone have a possible solution to fix the scale wheel cylindrical problem without replacing with earlier hi-rail trucks?   If you do, it is greatly appreciated.  Thanks for your input.        Bob This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75410	From: scaler164	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: SHS Caboose Wheels/Axles

Looking for a total of EIGHT (8) (new or used) SHS CABOOSE wheels/axles (blunt (or rounded) axle end).   I don't need the trucks, just the wheels.  (All I really need is the axles)   Anyone know of a source?     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75411	From: scaler164	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Model Carriers From Fast Tracks

A bit pricey... but quite nice!  Check out the new model carriers from Fast Tracks! :        http://www.handlaidtrack.com/FreightCrate-Rolling-Stock-Carriers-s/2380.htm   and        http://youtu.be/v1em-XAqKLs     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75412	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers

 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] Hi S-Ganger’s.  I contacted Lionel Central by e-mail today and inquired about the Hi-Rail 70-Ton Trucks (6-49081) to retrofit the scale wheels on the Cylindrical cars and was told that they were not going to be manufactured.  . . . . . . .. > > > > > > > > > Somehing is wrong with a company that supposedly makes S-gauge stuff with trucks that work on neither scale nor high-rail track.  I wish we knew how to get thru to people at Lionel that make decisions, but that seems impossible. < < < < < < < < < I have two Norfolk Southern Cylindrical Hoppers for my ES Diesel and they derail on all my layout curves . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Of course scale wheels derail on highrail track.  If you adjust the wheelsets for correct (scale) gauge, they will still derail.  < < < < < < < < < . . . .  I’m very disappointed as an operator and collector of Hi-Rail American Flyer . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > As an operator you should be more thatn "disappointed."  You should be extreemly irritated.  But as a collector, what's the problem?  They should look nice on your wall.  . . . . . . . . < < < < < < < < <  does anyone have a possible solution to fix the scale wheel cylindrical problem . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Yes, replace entire truck and coupler assemblies with AM or SHS trucks & couplers. < < < < < < < < <  without replacing with earlier hi-rail trucks?  > > > > > > > > > Not familiar with earlier hi-rail trucks.   tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75413	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers

Thanks for the comments Tom on the AF 70-Ton Trucks that Lionel has dropped for manufacture.  I can’t image that they would stop production when they offer Lionel Truck replacements for O Gauge.  It seems to me that they could easily configure the Lionel Trucks for AF Hi-Rail. However, I’ll check sources for the SHS and Am trucks and couplers.  Thanks again for the info and response.  Just maybe, if enough S-Gaugers contact Lionel, they may change their minds on production.  Take care.   Bob   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers      ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] Hi S-Ganger’s.  I contacted Lionel Central by e-mail today and inquired about the Hi-Rail 70-Ton Trucks (6-49081) to retrofit the scale wheels on the Cylindrical cars and was told that they were not going to be manufactured.  . . . . . . .. > > > > > > > > > Somehing is wrong with a company that supposedly makes S-gauge stuff with trucks that work on neither scale nor high-rail track.  I wish we knew how to get thru to people at Lionel that make decisions, but that seems impossible. < < < < < < < < < I have two Norfolk Southern Cylindrical Hoppers for my ES Diesel and they derail on all my layout curves . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Of course scale wheels derail on highrail track.  If you adjust the wheelsets for correct (scale) gauge, they will still derail.  < < < < < < < < < . . . .  I’m very disappointed as an operator and collector of Hi-Rail American Flyer . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > As an operator you should be more thatn "disappointed."  You should be extreemly irritated.  But as a collector, what's the problem?  They should look nice on your wall.  . . . . . . . . < < < < < < < < <  does anyone have a possible solution to fix the scale wheel cylindrical problem . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Yes, replace entire truck and coupler assemblies with AM or SHS trucks & couplers. < < < < < < < < <  without replacing with earlier hi-rail trucks?  > > > > > > > > > Not familiar with earlier hi-rail trucks.   tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75414	From: snstrains	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers

I have a few SHS freight trucks with hi-rail wheels available. Steve Boise   In a message dated 10/21/2014 6:05:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Thanks for the comments Tom on the AF 70-Ton Trucks that Lionel has dropped for manufacture.  I can’t image that they would stop production when they offer Lionel Truck replacements for O Gauge.  It seems to me that they could easily configure the Lionel Trucks for AF Hi-Rail. However, I’ll check sources for the SHS and Am trucks and couplers.  Thanks again for the info and response.  Just maybe, if enough S-Gaugers contact Lionel, they may change their minds on production.  Take care. Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers    ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] Hi S-Ganger’s.  I contacted Lionel Central by e-mail today and inquired about the Hi-Rail 70-Ton Trucks (6-49081) to retrofit the scale wheels on the Cylindrical cars and was told that they were not going to be manufactured.  . . . . . . .. > > > > > > > > > Somehing is wrong with a company that supposedly makes S-gauge stuff with trucks that work on neither scale nor high-rail track.  I wish we knew how to get thru to people at Lionel that make decisions, but that seems impossible. < < < < < < < < < I have two Norfolk Southern Cylindrical Hoppers for my ES Diesel and they derail on all my layout curves . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Of course scale wheels derail on highrail track.  If you adjust the wheelsets for correct (scale) gauge, they will still derail.  < < < < < < < < < . . . .  I’m very disappointed as an operator and collector of Hi-Rail American Flyer . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > As an operator you should be more thatn "disappointed."  You should be extreemly irritated.  But as a collector, what's the problem?  They should look nice on your wall.  . . . . . . . . < < < < < < < < <  does anyone have a possible solution to fix the scale wheel cylindrical problem . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Yes, replace entire truck and coupler assemblies with AM or SHS trucks & couplers. < < < < < < < < <  without replacing with earlier hi-rail trucks?  > > > > > > > > > Not familiar with earlier hi-rail trucks. tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75415	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers

Good evening Steve.  What price do you have on them?  I would need two pair for both cylindrical cars.  Do you have the small screws for them as well?  I was going to contact Barb at Twacks & Trains in NC tomorrow to see if they have any S-Helper trucks.  Let me know Steve.  Thanks for contacting me on this Lionel situation.  It is appreciated.  Take care.   Bob     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers     I have a few SHS freight trucks with hi-rail wheels available. Steve Boise   In a message dated 10/21/2014 6:05:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Thanks for the comments Tom on the AF 70-Ton Trucks that Lionel has dropped for manufacture.  I can’t image that they would stop production when they offer Lionel Truck replacements for O Gauge.  It seems to me that they could easily configure the Lionel Trucks for AF Hi-Rail. However, I’ll check sources for the SHS and Am trucks and couplers.  Thanks again for the info and response.  Just maybe, if enough S-Gaugers contact Lionel, they may change their minds on production.  Take care. Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers    ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] Hi S-Ganger’s.  I contacted Lionel Central by e-mail today and inquired about the Hi-Rail 70-Ton Trucks (6-49081) to retrofit the scale wheels on the Cylindrical cars and was told that they were not going to be manufactured.  . . . . . . .. > > > > > > > > > Somehing is wrong with a company that supposedly makes S-gauge stuff with trucks that work on neither scale nor high-rail track.  I wish we knew how to get thru to people at Lionel that make decisions, but that seems impossible. < < < < < < < < < I have two Norfolk Southern Cylindrical Hoppers for my ES Diesel and they derail on all my layout curves . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Of course scale wheels derail on highrail track.  If you adjust the wheelsets for correct (scale) gauge, they will still derail.  < < < < < < < < < . . . .  I’m very disappointed as an operator and collector of Hi-Rail American Flyer . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > As an operator you should be more thatn "disappointed."  You should be extreemly irritated.  But as a collector, what's the problem?  They should look nice on your wall.  . . . . . . . . < < < < < < < < <  does anyone have a possible solution to fix the scale wheel cylindrical problem . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Yes, replace entire truck and coupler assemblies with AM or SHS trucks & couplers. < < < < < < < < <  without replacing with earlier hi-rail trucks?  > > > > > > > > > Not familiar with earlier hi-rail trucks. tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75416	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/21/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers

Good evening again Steve.  I checked my inventory of AF parts and found 2 pair of American Model 50-ton Hi-Rail trucks and couplers to go with them.  My question is this:  will they work on the Lionel cylindrical hoppers?  Your input is appreciated.   Bob     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers     I have a few SHS freight trucks with hi-rail wheels available. Steve Boise   In a message dated 10/21/2014 6:05:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Thanks for the comments Tom on the AF 70-Ton Trucks that Lionel has dropped for manufacture.  I can’t image that they would stop production when they offer Lionel Truck replacements for O Gauge.  It seems to me that they could easily configure the Lionel Trucks for AF Hi-Rail. However, I’ll check sources for the SHS and Am trucks and couplers.  Thanks again for the info and response.  Just maybe, if enough S-Gaugers contact Lionel, they may change their minds on production.  Take care. Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers    ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] Hi S-Ganger’s.  I contacted Lionel Central by e-mail today and inquired about the Hi-Rail 70-Ton Trucks (6-49081) to retrofit the scale wheels on the Cylindrical cars and was told that they were not going to be manufactured.  . . . . . . .. > > > > > > > > > Somehing is wrong with a company that supposedly makes S-gauge stuff with trucks that work on neither scale nor high-rail track.  I wish we knew how to get thru to people at Lionel that make decisions, but that seems impossible. < < < < < < < < < I have two Norfolk Southern Cylindrical Hoppers for my ES Diesel and they derail on all my layout curves . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Of course scale wheels derail on highrail track.  If you adjust the wheelsets for correct (scale) gauge, they will still derail.  < < < < < < < < < . . . .  I’m very disappointed as an operator and collector of Hi-Rail American Flyer . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > As an operator you should be more thatn "disappointed."  You should be extreemly irritated.  But as a collector, what's the problem?  They should look nice on your wall.  . . . . . . . . < < < < < < < < <  does anyone have a possible solution to fix the scale wheel cylindrical problem . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Yes, replace entire truck and coupler assemblies with AM or SHS trucks & couplers. < < < < < < < < <  without replacing with earlier hi-rail trucks?  > > > > > > > > > Not familiar with earlier hi-rail trucks. tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75417	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers

I am not sure of the situation with these new cylindrical hoppers from Lionel but I have found that between the Flyonel and the S Helper wheels and Lionel that they were very much interchangeable. I have on many of my both Gilbert Flyer and Flyonel cars been able to remove the Gilbert or Flyonel wheels from the axles and replace them with the S Helper high rail wheels. I would measure the axle diameter to see if these may still be interchangeable.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75418	From: snstrains	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers

Bob, Please contact me off this list regarding the SHS trucks. Address below Steve   snstrains@...   In a message dated 10/21/2014 9:07:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Good evening Steve.  What price do you have on them?  I would need two pair for both cylindrical cars.  Do you have the small screws for them as well?  I was going to contact Barb at Twacks & Trains in NC tomorrow to see if they have any S-Helper trucks.  Let me know Steve.  Thanks for contacting me on this Lionel situation.  It is appreciated.  Take care. Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers   I have a few SHS freight trucks with hi-rail wheels available. Steve Boise In a message dated 10/21/2014 6:05:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Thanks for the comments Tom on the AF 70-Ton Trucks that Lionel has dropped for manufacture.  I can’t image that they would stop production when they offer Lionel Truck replacements for O Gauge.  It seems to me that they could easily configure the Lionel Trucks for AF Hi-Rail. However, I’ll check sources for the SHS and Am trucks and couplers.  Thanks again for the info and response.  Just maybe, if enough S-Gaugers contact Lionel, they may change their minds on production.  Take care. Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers    ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bob Iannacone' biannaco@... [S-Trains] Hi S-Ganger’s.  I contacted Lionel Central by e-mail today and inquired about the Hi-Rail 70-Ton Trucks (6-49081) to retrofit the scale wheels on the Cylindrical cars and was told that they were not going to be manufactured.  . . . . . . .. > > > > > > > > > Somehing is wrong with a company that supposedly makes S-gauge stuff with trucks that work on neither scale nor high-rail track.  I wish we knew how to get thru to people at Lionel that make decisions, but that seems impossible. < < < < < < < < < I have two Norfolk Southern Cylindrical Hoppers for my ES Diesel and they derail on all my layout curves . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Of course scale wheels derail on highrail track.  If you adjust the wheelsets for correct (scale) gauge, they will still derail.  < < < < < < < < < . . . .  I’m very disappointed as an operator and collector of Hi-Rail American Flyer . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > As an operator you should be more thatn "disappointed."  You should be extreemly irritated.  But as a collector, what's the problem?  They should look nice on your wall.  . . . . . . . . < < < < < < < < <  does anyone have a possible solution to fix the scale wheel cylindrical problem . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > Yes, replace entire truck and coupler assemblies with AM or SHS trucks & couplers. < < < < < < < < <  without replacing with earlier hi-rail trucks?  > > > > > > > > > Not familiar with earlier hi-rail trucks. tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75419	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Port Lines & Ficus

Port Lines Hobby Supplies now carries the FICUS BRAND knuckle coupler frame as a replacement for the old AF link coupler frames LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75420	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers

 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Puls rpuls3@... [S-Trains] I am not sure of the situation . . . . . . . . . . . I would measure the axle diameter to see if these may still be interchangeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you aware that the axles of the subject Lionel  trucks extend through the side-frames and terminate in a roller-bearing end-piece which you can see turning when the axle turns, like real ones?   tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75421	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers--UPDATE

This did not sound right to me when I read Bob’s posting, so I immediately contacted Matt Ashba at Lionel. Matt is Director of Product Planning, and I’m in touch with him often. He assured me that info is incorrect. In fact, to his knowledge the replacement highrail trucks are on the water right now, so we should see them in 4-6 weeks, I would guess (that’s MY guess, not his statement). It made no sense that they aren’t making the trucks, since ALL new production hoppers and modern boxcars will deliver with highrail trucks. Scale replacements will be the option from now on.     <<< Hi S-Ganger's. I contacted Lionel Central by e-mail today and inquired about the Hi-Rail 70-Ton Trucks (6-49081) to retrofit the scale wheels on the Cylindrical cars and was told that they were not going to be manufactured.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75422	From: traindavid	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Fall Flyonel Catalog??

Maybe I've missed something, or forgotten an earlier announcement, but York week has come & gone and usually there's a catalog release about this time. Is there no fall, or Vol 2 AF catalog? No clues as to what 2015 holds, except for the pre-announcements in the earlier catalog? Also, any clues on the Polar Express set delivery--I notice today it's listed as "Dec '14" on L shipping schedule, but some cars are listed as "Nov '14". Both dates are coming up FAST ( Only 64 shopping days left as I write this--Your welcome!! heh heh heh). Run 'em if ya got 'em--Unless they're new in box! :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75423	From: afot7	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: Fall Flyonel Catalog??

Yes no A/F in Vol.2 2014 Lionel catalog.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75424	From: scaler164	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts

For anyone who might be interested...   I recently talked with the folks at Des Plaines Hobbies about the three upgrade items (seen below) they once offered for the S Scale America Husky Stack intermodal cars...        Walkways - SSA620        Detail Kits - SSA621        Load guides - SSA622   ... and they said they were willing to do another run of the walkway platforms, and could have them ready by December.   I am ordering SIX sets and a friend of mine is planning to order around 20 sets.  If anyone else would like to get hold of some of these parts, now is the time to speak up!   Contact DPH at : sales@...     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75425	From: John Frankforther	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts

It would be NICE if they had pictures of what they are selling!!   John   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts     For anyone who might be interested...   I recently talked with the folks at Des Plaines Hobbies about the three upgrade items (seen below) they once offered for the S Scale America Husky Stack intermodal cars...        Walkways - SSA620        Detail Kits - SSA621        Load guides - SSA622   ... and they said they were willing to do another run of the walkway platforms, and could have them ready by December.   I am ordering SIX sets and a friend of mine is planning to order around 20 sets.  If anyone else would like to get hold of some of these parts, now is the time to speak up!   Contact DPH at : sales@...     John Degnan Scaler164@...   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75426	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Re: NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts

I would buy from another "run" of bulktainers ... maybe a couple of new shipper/road names   Ron Warner Shallowater, TX From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts   For anyone who might be interested...   I recently talked with the folks at Des Plaines Hobbies about the three upgrade items (seen below) they once offered for the S Scale America Husky Stack intermodal cars...        Walkways - SSA620        Detail Kits - SSA621        Load guides - SSA622   ... and they said they were willing to do another run of the walkway platforms, and could have them ready by December.   I am ordering SIX sets and a friend of mine is planning to order around 20 sets.  If anyone else would like to get hold of some of these parts, now is the time to speak up!   Contact DPH at : sales@...     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75427	From: wcbeverly	Date: 10/22/2014
Subject: Slim Gauge Guild Open House

The Slim Gauge Guild Model RR Club would like to invite you to their open house Sunday November 2nd from 10am to 6pm and Tuesday November 4th from 6pm to 10pm.   The Slim Gauge Guild is located on the South East corner of Raymond and Del Mar in Old Town Pasadena. The address is 300 S. Raymond, Pasadena CA. 91105   The club features two layouts in a 2000 sq. ft. basement. The HO/HOn3 layout has a Colorado theme and centers around Salida in the 1920s as the track goes up the Black Canyon and enters Cimarron Colorado. From there the track joins the Rio Grande Southern part of the layout with Ophir and the Gallagher Loop.   The S/Sn3 layout has a California high country theme with massive mountains and high bridges. The upper level has a West Side Lumber logging scenes.   Come join us. Admission is always free. A few YouTube videos of the layout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3a3QrcmoIo 2 K-36 steam engines double head up the hill towards the High Line pulling a string of boxcars 2 K-36 steam engines double head up the hill towards the... In this clip, 2 K-36 steam engines double head up the hill towards the High Line pulling a string of boxcars. This video was shot on the Sn3 Slim Gauge Guild... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75428	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Lionel's 70-Ton Trucks for Cylindrical Hoppers

Tom,  I do not have any of these hoppers, but now that you mention the configuration, yes what I talked about the interchangeability would probably not work. I may have to get one of these to see how they are put together. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75429	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: Re: Fall Flyonel Catalog??

No Fall AF catalog (I don’t recall that there ever has been, for AF only???   Just the standard one in late winter, plus the Christmas catalog).   I spoke with Matt Ashba at York regarding the Polar Express set. It was on display, but not in its final form. The display still had the plastic tender, which has been upgraded to a diecast tender.  He is still “hopeful” for delivery before the holidays, but honestly, I’m not counting on it.  I think it’s getting too late, if it’s not produced and on the water VERY soon ! I also asked about the FasTrack turnouts…………”early 2015 delivery”. We’ll see.     <<< Maybe I've missed something, or forgotten an earlier announcement, but York week has come & gone and usually there's a catalog release about this time. Is there no fall, or Vol 2 AF catalog? No clues as to what 2015 holds, except for the pre-announcements in the earlier catalog? Also, any clues on the Polar Express set delivery--I notice today it's listed as "Dec '14" on L shipping schedule, but some cars are listed as "Nov '14". Both dates are coming up FAST ( Only 64 shopping days left as I write this--Your welcome!! heh heh heh). >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75430	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/23/2014
Subject: STUM'S MACHINE: (off topic)

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we have the latest update to my years long study of "Climate Change" on page 3.   I have brought together the work of several scientific specialists to put the pieces together in this environmental puzzle.  Finally a clear picture is emerging, which I think you'll find interesting. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75431	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Model Citizen

I happened upon this movie project http://modelcitizensmovie.com about 2 months ago. It is a movie about US! Model Railroaders of all kinds shown in a positive setting. Oddly the person behind it all is a woman – Sara Kelly info@...   I did talk to her. I mentioned thank coming east and to the Philadelphia area would yield her lots of model railroaders and filming possibilities. I have not applied for my SAG card yet but it could happen. I could be a star! She is from Philadelphia but is living in California now.   Sara is nice and sincere in capturing us at our best. It is a film and pay as she goes effort, and she is looking for funding.   From the home page at lower left “A Case For Space” is about the San Diego S Gaugers.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing http://www.3dmodeltech.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75432	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Fall Flyonel Catalog??

Mike Reagan indicated that the AF Polar Express Sets are scheduled to arrive in the U.S. the first week of December. If they arrive by December 6th, they should get out to dealers before Christmas. If December 7th or later, they would not get to dealers until after the 1st of next year. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75433	From: lynnshouse2000	Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: New Paintscheme Am Models GP9

American Models is introducing a new paintscheme on the GP9 locomotive.  The scheme is for Texas & Pacific in both versions - the Swamp Holly Orange and Black and the Missouri Pacific color versions of the "cat whisker" paint scheme.  My understanding is the locos will be fully assembled with window glass and handrails installed.  I have seen one photo that showed the short hoods of both color schemes and was very pleased.  Unfortunately I am unable to show the photo as an attachment.  For more information either contact me OFF LIST with T&P Loco in the subject line or check with American Models at S-Fest.  My understanding is that Ron wants to have the locomotives there. This has been a two year effort between myself, my local Americam Models dealer, some other modelers, and the fine people at American Models.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75434	From: traindavid	Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Flyonel Challenger coupler?

Does anyone know the Flyonel part number for the electromagnetic coupler on the Challenger engines? Thanks! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75435	From: carl4flyer	Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel Challenger coupler?

6948082T70 COIL COUPLER / A-F / LENGTH 1.385" W/ 7" LEADS $12.00 From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:00 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Challenger coupler?   Does anyone know the Flyonel part number for the electromagnetic coupler on the Challenger engines? Thanks! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75436	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 27 October 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 27 October 2014 12:00 AM to 06:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75437	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts

 ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Warner, Ronald' ronald.warner@... [S-Trains]    I would buy from another "run" of bulktainers ... maybe a couple of new shipper/road names > >> > > > > > > > > > > >   And while we're dreaming, some undec too.  There are a lot of OO scale decals available for bulk containers that are close enough for S.  Solt comes to mind.   And maybe a different design.  The die-cst truck world had an S scale 20 ft bulk container available with a different structure.  It had some bogus names (Harley-Davidson motor oil) but also at least one vaild one.  The problem was, you couldn't get one without buying the whole tractor and chassis.   tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75438	From: scaler164	Date: 10/28/2014
Subject: Re: [SSPM] NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts

Confirmation : A new run of walkways for these cars IS a DEFINITE reality, and is now being done (by DPH), and delivery is expected in December.   I have ordered and received the Detail Kits (SSA621) and Load Guides (SSA622) and am amazed at the improvement these parts make on the models... they now look as good or better than the HO, O, N and Z scale cousins which come out of the box with these parts present... even before being painted to match (and permanently attached).  I'm left wondering why these parts were afterthoughts in the S models...?!?   Hurry and order yours... if it isn't already too late : sales@...     John Degnan Scaler164@...   From: "Group, POST : (S)" <SSPM@yahoogroups.com> To: "Group, POST : (S)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Group, POST : (S)" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, "Group, POST : (S)" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "Group, POST : (S)" <S_Scale_List@yahoogroups.com>, "Group, POST : (S)" <S-Scale-ProgreSSive@yahoogroups.com>, "Group, POST : (S)" <SSTOT@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:52:04 PM Subject: [SSPM] NEW RUN : SSA Husky Stack Upgrade Parts For anyone who might be interested...   I recently talked with the folks at Des Plaines Hobbies about the three upgrade items (seen below) they once offered for the S Scale America Husky Stack intermodal cars...        Walkways - SSA620        Detail Kits - SSA621        Load guides - SSA622   ... and they said they were willing to do another run of the walkway platforms, and could have them ready by December.   I am ordering SIX sets and a friend of mine is planning to order around 20 sets.  If anyone else would like to get hold of some of these parts, now is the time to speak up!   Contact DPH at : sales@...     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75439	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/30/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE : "Not all Class One Roads"

Today at  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com the subject is the various levels of railroads which once provided the major transportation in this nation.  There were the major ones, then known as "Class One" railroads, down to the Short Lines which were less well funded, but played their part at a local level. NOTE:   This will be the last time a notice for STUMPY'S MACHINE will appear on S Trains.  While the website will go on posting every Thursday (with "How do you remember all that?" next week) there have been complaints that these notices are often "off topic."  Despite this "warning," several people have gone to the website to read the "off topic" post anyway, then evidently not liked what they read.  One MUST ask; "If they were not interested, why did they leave S Trains and go to my website in the first place when they knew the subject was not trains?"  And so they have complained to the Moderators, who have asked me to stop these notices when the subject is "off topic."  I in no way blame the Moderators, but since STUMPY'S MACHINE  many other subjects I will not be posting notices for it here in the future. Terry "Stumpy" Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75440	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 10/30/2014
Subject: Ad/Announcement: e-Books Now Available on Disc

I'm pleased to announce that our e-books, "Commuter Operations for Model Railroads" and "Work Extra: 15 Useful Tips for Model Railroaders" are now available on CD/DVD, as well as online.  Free shipping available until November 15!  Please go to rlnpublishing.com/e-books.html to download an order form. Bob Nalbone RLN Publishing http://www.rlnpublishing.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75441	From: aztecfan	Date: 10/30/2014
Subject: Polar Express add on cars

I ordered a Polar Express train set. I saw they offer 2 additional cars, but they have snow on the roof. So is that snow removable? It sure would look dumb to have them with 3 cars with out snow. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75442	From: brendakenchris	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE : "Not all Class One Roads"

Hum, off subject? Several pages of kit bash stuff, sorry they didn't like the post. Quite honestly, I like the variety. Ken Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75443	From: Tom	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE : "Not all Class One Roads"

Stumpy, I’m really sorry to hear this.  I have gone to your website and read things when it interests me and I don’t know why that isn’t an appropriate way to handle your posts.  I’ve enjoyed your posts and am disappointed that certain members have seen fit to drive you off the site simply because you post short notices to visit your site.  You’ve added to our content and it’s too bad you’ll be gone.  It’s the group's loss.  I’m in agreement with Ken. Tom Begin forwarded message: From: "klchris@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE : "Not all Class One Roads" Date: October 31, 2014 at 7:45:10 PM CDT To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Hum, off subject? Several pages of kit bash stuff, sorry they didn't like the post. Quite honestly, I like the variety. Ken  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75444	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: For Sale: NASG Dispatch Magazines

My client would like to get $2.00 per issue but is flexible and eager to sell. Make offer.  For privacy reasons, the membership directory has been removed from all August issues. December 2004 in P-10 Mint condition, with no tears or notations. June and October 2005 in P-10 Mint condition, with no tears or notations. All but the August issue from 2006 in P-10 Mint condition, with no tears or notations. The front of the December 2005 and December 2006 issues got wet, but only the first few pages are affected; the rest of each issue is in P-10 Mint condition. None of the pages are stuck together and all pictures and text are clearly readable - those pages are wrinkled but no significant damage was done. All but the August issue from 2007; all are in P-10 Mint condition, with no tears or notations. October and December 2008 in P-10 Mint condition, with no tears or notations. All 6 issues from 2009. Five of the six issues are in P-10 Mint condition, with no tears or notations. The front of the August issue got wet, but only the cover is affected; the rest of each issue is in P-10 Mint condition. None of the pages are stuck together and all pictures and text are clearly readable - the cover is wrinkled but no significant damage was done. All 6 issues from 2010 in P-10 Mint condition, with no tears or notations. All but the October issue from 2011 in P-10 Mint condition, with no tears or notations. All but the December issue from 2013. Four of the five issues are in P-8 Like New condition, with no tears or notations. The front of the February issue got wet, but only the first few pages are affected; the rest of each issue is in P-10 Mint condition. None of the pages are stuck together and all pictures and text are clearly readable - those pages are wrinkled but no significant damage was done. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75445	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE : "Not all Class One Roads"

As am I Stumpy.  Unless the admin told you to stop keep up the notices. I'm not to lazy, stupid, or spiteful to hit the delete key for things that don't interest me. Carey On 11/1/2014 8:42 AM, Tom detmer@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Stumpy, I’m really sorry to hear this.  I have gone to your website and read things when it interests me and I don’t know why that isn’t an appropriate way to handle your posts.  I’ve enjoyed your posts and am disappointed that certain members have seen fit to drive you off the site simply because you post short notices to visit your site.  You’ve added to our content and it’s too bad you’ll be gone.  It’s the group's loss.  I’m in agreement with Ken. Tom Begin forwarded message: From: "klchris@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE : "Not all Class One Roads" Date: October 31, 2014 at 7:45:10 PM CDT To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Hum, off subject? Several pages of kit bash stuff, sorry they didn't like the post. Quite honestly, I like the variety. Ken  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75446	From: John Frankforther	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: American Flyer catalogs

I have  an American Flyer 2012 catalog A MTH 2013 catalog And 2 American Models catalogs   Just pay shipping if you are interested   Contact me off list with your shipping information   John Frankforther This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75447	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 03 November 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 03 November 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75448	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 11/2/2014
Subject: Union Station TCA Sign

Due to downsizing my collection and no longer having a lay-out, I am selling my Animated TCA Union Station (Denver) by Miller Engineering.  It is on Ebay & will end tonight (141450785361).  It has been set up to use the power of your transformer.  Check out the item by looking at the pictures.  I had it operating on top of an American Flyer Union Station #793, and it looked & operated great with the 46 different patterns.   Thanks,   Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75449	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/2/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 03 November 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 03 November 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75450	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: "Ten Wheeler Project" part three

Part three of the "Ten Wheeler Project" is posted on Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website (http://myflyertrains.org) in the Stumpy's Station segment.  In this part we finish cutting and start putting things together. From e-mails I've been getting, this locomotive kit bash has been one of the most popular I've done in the over two years on My Flyer Trains.. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75451	From: George Dines	Date: 11/4/2014
Subject: (no subject)

Train Enthusiasts!   Escape the cold fall weather by getting steamed up for Michigan’s largest model train show. The enormous Lansing Train Show and Sale will be held at the Michigan State University Pavilion on Sunday, November 9 from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.    If you have attended our show in the past then you know how great a show this is:  - Largest Train Show in Michigan - Live NMRA demonstrations of layout techniques - Visiting layouts from Z to G scales including traction (trolleys) and the award winning Peninsular Modular Railroad Club - Adults $6, under 12 and Scouts in uniform FREE - Location: Michigan State University Pavilion, 4301 Farm Lane, East Lansing, MI, 48824 - Free Parking Contact Dennis Morley at (989) 723-2870, George Dines (517) 290-9652, or visit www.lmrc.org for more information.  Bring the kids (or grandkids) for a great family event. We hope to see you there, The Lansing Model Railroad Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75452	From: George Dines	Date: 11/4/2014
Subject: Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9

Train Enthusiasts!   Escape the cold fall weather by getting steamed up for Michigan’s largest model train show. The enormous Lansing Train Show and Sale will be held at the Michigan State University Pavilion on Sunday, November 9 from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.    If you have attended our show in the past then you know how great a show this is:  - Largest Train Show in Michigan - Live NMRA demonstrations of layout techniques - Visiting layouts from Z to G scales including traction (trolleys) and the award winning Peninsular Modular Railroad Club - Adults $6, under 12 and Scouts in uniform FREE - Location: Michigan State University Pavilion, 4301 Farm Lane, East Lansing, MI, 48824 - Free Parking Contact Dennis Morley at (989) 723-2870, George Dines (517) 290-9652, or visit www.lmrc.org for more information.  Bring the kids (or grandkids) for a great family event. We hope to see you there, The Lansing Model Railroad Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75453	From: trndad	Date: 11/6/2014
Subject: Re: Polar Express add on cars

Jim, I don't see that anyone ever answered your question.  I saw this set at York last month and it appeared to me that the snow is permanent.  I had the same thoughts as you but ordered the complete set anyway.  It should be possible to craft some snow from cotton or some other material to attach to the other cars.  Regardless, my grandson will love it either way.   Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75454	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/6/2014
Subject: For sale: five XA12A051 new knuckle coupler trucks

Just what you need for those S Fest freight car bodies that they sold without trucks. These are brand-new, never used. They have the small 1/ 8 inch holes and plastic wheels. You can drill out the hole if you need one for a larger rivet. These came in a bag in a collection I'm selling. I don't know how to tell whether they are original Gilbert or reproductions. Can anyone tell me the difference? Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75455	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/6/2014
Subject: Taking orders for Westinghouse flat car load now

Attachments : Wabash Flat W Westinghouse Load 300 DPI.jpg Test Samples.jpg Master Patterns.jpg I am pretty settled with the costs for my Westinghouse Flat car load so I am opening up the ordering now. It was modeled after a large steel casting for steam generating turbines.   The castings on the flat car are first test pieces right from the 3D printer, not indicative of the production run. I will have cast samples shortly.   I am selling them in sets of 3 castings for $40.00 + $3.00 shipping, or 4 for $50.00 + $3.00 for shipping via USPS without insurance or tracking.   The casting is 2 1/4” long. The flat car shown is 44 feet long.   I would much prefer to ship to the US only but email me if you are outside of the US. I will see what I can do.   I would like to cut the ordering off by 12-1-14 so I can get a count for the production run.   Send payment to: Bill Lane 305 Dubois Ave West Deptford NJ 08096   Please send me an email to confirm your order. I feel pretty sure I should have the production run this year. It depends on how many get sold. I will not deposit the payments until the production run is here.   Any questions please reply directly.   This is going to be the first of many interesting freight car load items I plan on making in 2015.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing http://www.3dmodeltech.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75456	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 11/7/2014
Subject: I Need American Models S-42 Curves!

If anyone has American Models S-42 curves, I'd love to buy between 6 and 20 pieces.. They've been out of stock all summer, and I really want to finish my Holiday layout this year, maybe start on the switch yard expansion.. Yes, I have tried bending the flex, but I never get a nice clean curve, so section it is..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75457	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 11/7/2014
Subject: Parts needed

I am in need of two (2) cabs for a GE U-boat locomotive for a kit bash project. I believe I could use either American Models cabs or maybe even American Flyer/ Lionel cabs. If anyone has these parts for sale please let me know how much.                                                        Bob Lampe                                                         Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75458	From: James Lyle	Date: 11/7/2014
Subject: Re: I Need American Models S-42 Curves!

I might have a dozen and a pair of switches, all NEW, check Monday AM Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2014, at 10:31 AM, phuster_6@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  If anyone has American Models S-42 curves, I'd love to buy between 6 and 20 pieces.. They've been out of stock all summer, and I really want to finish my Holiday layout this year, maybe start on the switch yard expansion.. Yes, I have tried bending the flex, but I never get a nice clean curve, so section it is..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75459	From: miken9guy	Date: 11/8/2014
Subject: book with American Flyer catalogs

do any one remember this coming out in the 80's ?   70"s,  90's ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75460	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 11/8/2014
Subject: Re: book with American Flyer catalogs

Yes, here it is on Amazon   http://www.amazon.com/Greenbergs-American-Flyer-Catalogues-1946-1955/dp/0897781740     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] book with American Flyer catalogs     do any one remember this coming out in the 80's ?   70"s,  90's ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75461	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/8/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 10 November 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 10 November 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75462	From: herbw202	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: Re: book with American Flyer catalogs

Disappointing book. Missing the great 1958 catalog. Banning Repplier's best work. Herb Wasserman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75463	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 10 November 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 10 November 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75464	From: John Frankforther	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: Re: Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9

Not too bad of a show !!  A smattering of “S” throughout the show. Some stuff that looked like it should be under the table in a junk box was going for top dollar. I was hoping for a NCE dealer to be there as I need some add-ons to my system. I did see a 5 amp PRO system there for $100. I should have bought it!!   I picked up a couple of cranes, The Industrial Brownhoist versions. One is a 944 and the other is a  644 converted to a knuckle couple, both in very good  condition. Both for $60 Further checking the string that raises the hooks are missing.   I’m thinking of converting 1 or both to DCC operation. I plan on adding lights and a few extras.   Don’t Hate me … I just want to add more operations to my working layout.   John Frankforther   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9     Train Enthusiasts!   Escape the cold fall weather by getting steamed up for Michigan’s largest model train show. The enormous Lansing Train Show and Sale will be held at the Michigan State University Pavilion on Sunday, November 9 from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.    If you have attended our show in the past then you know how great a show this is:  - Largest Train Show in Michigan - Live NMRA demonstrations of layout techniques - Visiting layouts from Z to G scales including traction (trolleys) and the award winning Peninsular Modular Railroad Club - Adults $6, under 12 and Scouts in uniform FREE - Location: Michigan State University Pavilion, 4301 Farm Lane, East Lansing, MI, 48824 - Free Parking   Contact Dennis Morley at (989) 723-2870, George Dines (517) 290-9652, or visit www.lmrc.org for more information.    Bring the kids (or grandkids) for a great family event.   We hope to see you there, The Lansing Model Railroad Club   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75465	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: A.F. 21130 Tender?

I am looking for a #21130 tender with all 4 plastic steps.  If you have one you will sell please let me know with price & condition.   Thanks,   Mike Leahy gmichael.leahy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75466	From: snstrains	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: Re: Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9

Sounds like something I would do.....   Steve, Boise   In a message dated 11/9/2014 6:05:53 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I’m thinking of converting 1 or both to DCC operation. I plan on adding lights and a few extras. Don’t Hate me … I just want to add more operations to my working layout. John Frankforther

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75467	From: rick flaherty	Date: 11/9/2014
Subject: Re: Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9

Attachments : Bugs P-38[204].png Steve, Keep sending you emails.  I don't respond all the time, but they are appreciated. Rick "The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein From: "boss31@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2014 6:58 PM To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9   Sounds like something I would do.....   Steve, Boise   In a message dated 11/9/2014 6:05:53 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I’m thinking of converting 1 or both to DCC operation. I plan on adding lights and a few extras. Don’t Hate me … I just want to add more operations to my working layout. John Frankforther

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75468	From: poniaj	Date: 11/10/2014
Subject: Re: Michigan's Largest Train Show! November 9

I too thought it was a pretty good show.  Being that we're in S, it made it easy to peruse the whole thing rather rapidly.  Simply bypass the O, HO and N.  Slightly more dealers in S than usual I though.  I wasn't looking for much in particular, but I did get a nice 734 in green Bakelite for a good price.  Once home and cleaned up, it looks great and matches the rest of the consist I have behind a K5 I rescued years ago.  I was also looking for Plasticville street lights for a project that might be written up in a magazine in a few months.  As soon as things calm down around my house and Train Season starts officially, that is. As far as DCC-ing your cranes, John, have at it!  Please keep us in formed as to your progress in doing so.  That's part of this hobby that I like.  Resurrecting such common items for use gives them a new life.  Unless you are collecting all variations of cranes, most guys already have all they need and if you paid $30 for each crane, you got a deal.  They may have languished on a table at shows, in a parts box or remained unsold for a LONG time.  Ask yourself "What would A.C.G. be doing nowadays?".  The man never struck me as not being on the forefront in the development of his toys.  Every time I repair some of them, I marvel at the creativity and engineering that went into them.  I think he would have embraced new electronics and introduced all sorts of great items and still kept to his original purpose of education through play (think Erector and chemistry sets).  Not everyone on this forum will agree with me on that, but that's the nature of the hobby..  Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75469	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 11/11/2014
Subject: Neuse River Model Railroad Train and Sale Show

The Atlantic Coast S Guage: Carolina Division set up our layout at the 30th Annual NRMR Train and Railroad show and Sale this past weekend at the NC State Fair Grounds in Raliegh, NC.  The layout was 24 modules and 59 button that activated a variety of accessories . One of the frequent questions I was asked was, "What scale is this?" We were the only S gauge group among some very large HO and N Scale layouts. But we drew a large audience with all the operating accessories. Ken  McNelly  from our sister Tidewater Division showed up Saturday with his Oscar Meyer scratch built "hot dog" train. The 0-6-0 Oscar Meyer  loco, which had formally been a wiener mobile, was a real crowd attention getter. There was some flyer for sale by several vendors especially by club member Bill Clark had a great selection of flyer items. Joe Haenn had a table to fix a variety of trains and several repaired, and purchased, flyer trains were run on our layout. It was great to see a smiling face as train had been placed back into operating condition. The club was ab;e to make a great purchase from one vendor of several Atlantics to be run on our Super Eight module that we use for one day shows and plan to take into hospitals and nursing homes. It is always a joy to promote the hobby and to see children of all ages get excited about model trains. Jack Ruth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75470	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 11/12/2014
Subject: Oscar Meyer Hot Dog Train

If you would like to see pics of Ken McNelly's scratch built Oscar Meyer "hot dog" loco and cars visit the ACSG; Carolina Division web site http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/CD/CD_shows1.html with our recent shows pics. Among the pics of the layout are several of the hot dog train. Jack Ruth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75471	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/13/2014
Subject: Come visit the San Diego S Gaugers over the Holidays

Tomorrow is opening day for the San Diego S Gaugers train club in their temporary home over the Holidays. Come visit us! Directions and pictures are on the club website:               <sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/>   We will be open from noon to 7PM every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday through the end of the year. Bob Graves Treasurer & Webmaster

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75472	From: kb6gz	Date: 11/14/2014
Subject: DCC and serving SHS locos

I have 6 SHS locos that need to be cleaned and lubed, and one that needs to have it's DCC reset. I am unable to do the work myself because my hands shake due to childhood polio. If you know of someone in Southern California that is willing to help I will happily pay them for their time. Rick E. Kneeshaw 619-884-1220

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75473	From: kb6gz	Date: 11/14/2014
Subject: Re: Come visit the San Diego S Gaugers over the Holidays

Where is there temporary home over the Holidays? I would like to join your club. Rick E. Kneeshaw 619-884-1220 piecon@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75474	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 11/15/2014
Subject: CHristmas Layout.

Hi Everyone.   I don't post often anymore because I am busy over on the Facebook groups now. American Flyer Trains and S-Helper/American Models and other 1/64th Scale/Gauge groups. But want to let people know my wife and I are putting our new Christmas Village Layout up for the next two months in Mason Ohio. If anyone is around the area and wants to run trains with us or just come and visit the layout, please contact me and I will give you more details.  The layout will be open in a local restaurant called Italian Ice on route 42 in the heart of Old Mason. Hope to see some of you here! The Cbtrainnut, Chris BUrger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75475	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/15/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 17 November 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 17 November 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75476	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/16/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 17 November 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 17 November 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75477	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/16/2014
Subject: Measuring mission

If anyone lives near the Indiana Transportation Museum http://itm.org , or knows anyone else that dies, and can get access to the rolling stock **hopefully before it all gets too cold** and possibly snowed in -  please contact me. Maybe you volunteer there. I have a component that that I need measured. You will be not crawling under anything dirty. This item is very accessible & should not take more than a few minutes to measure and sketch   Please contact me directly. bill@...   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing http://www.3dmodeltech.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75478	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/16/2014
Subject: Re: Measuring mission

Does or dies ? Typo ? LOL    Frank R. EMIRO From: "'Bill Lane' bill@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 5:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Measuring mission   If anyone lives near the Indiana Transportation Museum http://itm.org , or knows anyone else that dies, and can get access to the rolling stock **hopefully before it all gets too cold** and possibly snowed in -  please contact me. Maybe you volunteer there. I have a component that that I need measured. You will be not crawling under anything dirty. This item is very accessible & should not take more than a few minutes to measure and sketch   Please contact me directly. bill@...   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing http://www.3dmodeltech.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75479	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 11/16/2014
Subject: Scale measurement

I am attempting to make a mold so as to build models of copper anodes like those cast by the Anaconda Company at the former smelter in Anaconda, Montana to be placed on some anode cars that I am scratch bashing in S. These anodes are 2 inches thick. This would roughly be 1/32 inch in S.......what thickness of sheet styrene would be best to use to make the patterns for the mold? I have thought of using .030 but am not sure if that would be too thick or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated.                                                                                                 Bob Lampe                                                                                                Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75480	From: pakrause5	Date: 11/17/2014
Subject: Re: Scale measurement

Bob..  1/4" or .250"/8=.03125 or .031".  So 30 thousandths of an inch sheet styrene is slightly under but absolutely not discernible.  Unless a visitor takes a pair of vernier calipers to the anodes your size is spot on. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" Date:11/16/2014 11:58 PM (GMT-05:00) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Scale measurement   I am attempting to make a mold so as to build models of copper anodes like those cast by the Anaconda Company at the former smelter in Anaconda, Montana to be placed on some anode cars that I am scratch bashing in S. These anodes are 2 inches thick. This would roughly be 1/32 inch in S.......what thickness of sheet styrene would be best to use to make the patterns for the mold? I have thought of using .030 but am not sure if that would be too thick or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated.                                                                                                 Bob Lampe                                                                                                Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75481	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 11/17/2014
Subject: Re: Scale measurement

Thank you very much. I know exactly what you mean. I have a friend who models in HO and he flat dares anyone to start counting rivets. There is no reason for anyone to be that picky. As long as it looks right who cares.                                                   Bob Lampe                                                    Kalispell, MT From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:04:53 -0500 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Scale measurement   Bob..  1/4" or .250"/8=.03125 or .031".  So 30 thousandths of an inch sheet styrene is slightly under but absolutely not discernible.  Unless a visitor takes a pair of vernier calipers to the anodes your size is spot on. Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains]" Date:11/16/2014 11:58 PM (GMT-05:00) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Scale measurement   I am attempting to make a mold so as to build models of copper anodes like those cast by the Anaconda Company at the former smelter in Anaconda, Montana to be placed on some anode cars that I am scratch bashing in S. These anodes are 2 inches thick. This would roughly be 1/32 inch in S.......what thickness of sheet styrene would be best to use to make the patterns for the mold? I have thought of using .030 but am not sure if that would be too thick or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated.                                                                                                 Bob Lampe                                                                                                Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75482	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/18/2014
Subject: Scale Measurement

Rivet Counters pretty much turned me off HO some years ago and sent me on a long journey as a Rubber Gauger!  When I was in N gauge, I found them there too, so they must have been using a magnifying glass.  When "G" scale came along and you ran trains outdoors, I figured I was finally "safe" from them, but they must have followed me because after about eight or ten years in that, they had reappeared. I've worked in every scale and gauge, including their narrow gauges like HOn30 and On30 which are still considered "bastard scales" by many purists, but every time the evil ones either showed up or were already there. (Yes, there are rivet counters even in "bastard scales," for what reason I cannot explain.) I tried to go "on the offensive" one time when a particularly obnoxious "Master Model Railroader" came into the hobby shop where I worked and started pontificating on his genius.  I asked him if he attached the trucks to his HO cars with flat or Phillips head screws, and then informed him real trains didn't use screws because a big enough screwdriver didn't fit under the cars.  He also didn't have an electrical box, wiring, and correct size light bulbs in his structures, and his scale autos didn't have engines or transmissions in them. Now, truth be known, the best we can hope for as model railroaders is to do what Hollywood does; create the "illusion" of reality, not exact duplication of it.  If we detailed everything exactly as it is in the real world, we'd find ourselves completing VERY few projects and would never be able to finish a whole layout (which most rivet counters I've met don't have.)  We'd also run into insurmountable engineering problems since physics does not allow for exact scale construction in many cases. Like a LOT of people, I am in the hobby to relieve stress and spend some enjoyable time "playing with trains."  And so, I'm quite happy to be a Hi-railer in S and a Micro Layout builder in On30, giving the illusion of real trains, but still having the fun I've missed in this hobby since I "grew up."  Model Railroader magazine used to have creative giants such as John Allen in it and the banner slogan  "Model Railroading is Fun."  I guess the rivet counters got there too. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75483	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 11/18/2014
Subject: Re: Scale Measurement

Attachments : Stumpy     Your paragraph sums it up….exactly…. (even though I am a scaler - close enough is just that..close enough).  The only time rivets and any of that such really matter is if you are doing Model Railroad pictures of your layout to be published and everything has to be in your mind just right!  And guess what…it is still your little world.  And, if you really look for subtle differences in the picture of real vs modeled, those differences are all there.  No one is that “good”.  So the rule of 20 applies…  if it looks good from 20” away…that is fine.  Most times people are more than 20” away.  Too old or sore to bend over that much!  Haha     Enjoy the hobby….   “Now, truth be known, the best we can hope for as model railroaders is to do what Hollywood does; create the "illusion" of reality, not exact duplication of it.  If we detailed everything exactly as it is in the real world, we'd find ourselves completing VERY few projects and would never be able to finish a whole layout (which most rivet counters I've met don't have.)  We'd also run into insurmountable engineering problems since physics does not allow for exact scale construction in many cases.”   Best Regards   Paul Krause 5 Chandler Lane New Milford, CT 06776 Home# 860-350-5144 Mobile# 203-512-2866   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:30 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Scale Measurement     Rivet Counters pretty much turned me off HO some years ago and sent me on a long journey as a Rubber Gauger!  When I was in N gauge, I found them there too, so they must have been using a magnifying glass.  When "G" scale came along and you ran trains outdoors, I figured I was finally "safe" from them, but they must have followed me because after about eight or ten years in that, they had reappeared.   I've worked in every scale and gauge, including their narrow gauges like HOn30 and On30 which are still considered "bastard scales" by many purists, but every time the evil ones either showed up or were already there. (Yes, there are rivet counters even in "bastard scales," for what reason I cannot explain.)   I tried to go "on the offensive" one time when a particularly obnoxious "Master Model Railroader" came into the hobby shop where I worked and started pontificating on his genius.  I asked him if he attached the trucks to his HO cars with flat or Phillips head screws, and then informed him real trains didn't use screws because a big enough screwdriver didn't fit under the cars.  He also didn't have an electrical box, wiring, and correct size light bulbs in his structures, and his scale autos didn't have engines or transmissions in them.   Now, truth be known, the best we can hope for as model railroaders is to do what Hollywood does; create the "illusion" of reality, not exact duplication of it.  If we detailed everything exactly as it is in the real world, we'd find ourselves completing VERY few projects and would never be able to finish a whole layout (which most rivet counters I've met don't have.)  We'd also run into insurmountable engineering problems since physics does not allow for exact scale construction in many cases.   Like a LOT of people, I am in the hobby to relieve stress and spend some enjoyable time "playing with trains."  And so, I'm quite happy to be a Hi-railer in S and a Micro Layout builder in On30, giving the illusion of real trains, but still having the fun I've missed in this hobby since I "grew up."  Model Railroader magazine used to have creative giants such as John Allen in it and the banner slogan  "Model Railroading is Fun."  I guess the rivet counters got there too.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75484	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/18/2014
Subject: Re: Scale Measurement - Rivet Counters

I hear you, Stumpy. I just don't mind the rivet counters. Making sure that the visible parts of a model match as closely as possible to the visible parts of the prototype can be a lot of fun. I would never choose to deny that fun to the ones who enjoy it. One of the tasks (there are more than required so that the candidates have some options) for earning the MMR is to recreate a scene from real life. Find an industry, business or setting with some interesting content in buildings, terrain, tracks or trains and then reproduce it in miniature. Hard to do such a thing without counting boards, rails, wheels and even rivets. The purpose of the MMR program is to foster the modelling skills, operating expertise and communications that keep the rail history hobbyists from depending entirely on the skill of the manufacturers. I understand and respect that point of view. What I don't understand as well is the tunnel-vision that people on that side of the hobby that leads them to believe it is the only way. In fact, people on all sides of the hobby spectrum seem to develop the the belief that it is their own way or no way. In truth, there are many ways to win. Counting rivets and as much apparent fidelity to a prototype is one. Accepting a caricature of the items being modeled in hopes of capturing the spirit is another. There are many winning shades between them. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75485	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 11/18/2014
Subject: Scale Measurement

Stumpy I agree with you 100%. The only time I myself would be concerned with something that picky is if (And say IF) I were building a model to show or enter in a contest. Otherwise if the model looks like the prototype I am not concerned with 100% total accuracy. All I am really concerned with is the look of the prototype.                                                                                                                        Bob Lampe                                                                                                                    Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75486	From: Eric	Date: 11/18/2014
Subject: S GAUGE TRAIN ITEMS FOR SALE

I have some more S items for sale.  I've been busy working so have had little time to finish off the selling of the estate I bought 2 years ago.  This is most of the last of it with some of my stuff thrown in.  I figured I would see if anyone is interested  before I put it on Ebay.  Please make me an offer, everything is like new but used a very little bit.  I will double check everything before shipping to make sure it is like new. For Sale  November 2014—  These are all like new but have been run basically for testing.  There are no marks or damage to any of them. I will double check any item sold and note anything to the buyer before shipping.  All have original boxes and all packing,  All the cars have Kadee couplers and high rail wheels.  I do not have the alternative scale wheels and flyer compatible couplers for the cars,  Engines are as noted. I have a FEW scale wheels so may be able to trade out for a few cars. I have no knuckle couplers.   The previous owner Sold/Traded the scale wheels and knuckle couplers 1.  Lionel American Flyer U33C Northern Pacific Diesel  includes extra scale wheels!!.  Engine number 3309.   Lionel number 6-48161.  New price was $479. My price $325.  About 35% off. 2.  Lionel American Flyer Union Pacific Challenger Gray.   engine #3977.  Lionel number 6-48484.  New Price $999.  My price $625. about 38% off. 3.  S Helper 3 unit F7 Sante fe engine set  Red/Silver  Like new.  All items in original box including scale wheels.  These units each have their own Lenz decoder so they can be runseparately or run as as a consist, no sound.  $650 4. American Models Budd cars  Sante Fe  silver cars.  4 car set and 3 extra cars.  $250 for the 4 and $65 each additional. AM solid small couplers. 5.  2x  SHS panel side hoppers CN with Blue Ridge loads  $50 each 6.  SHS Ore cars  set of 5  GN green. includes 5 Blue Ridge loads!  $200. set 7.  SHS  hopper cars 4 different BN cars  3 green, 1 gray.  $45 each 8.  SHS Refer car Marhoefer  $60 9.  SHS Refer Car  Western Pacific PFE  $65 10.  SHS TOFC car GN  $60 11.  SHS Box car  orange/green  $55 12.  SHS stock car  GN  $55 13.  SHS  Boxcar  Single sheath.   GN  $55 14.  SHS Refer car,  Swift Premium  Silver  $60 15.  American Models Streamline dome car, Northern Pacific.  $85 16.  Flyer/Ace/SHS boxcar,  BN  Flyer boxcar shell with Ace base and SHS trucks and kadee style couplers.  $35 17.  PHM powered Budd car hirail wheels and  ac powered  $350. Make me an offer.  Especially if you want a bunch of items! Shipping is extra,  All will be boxed well and insured.  I have not had a lost or broken package yet. > Eric Reis EricRhere@... > Kenmore Wa. 98028 > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99 (over 1000 positives) > > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75487	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 11/19/2014
Subject: Re: Scale Measurement - Rivet Counters

Attachments : Bill,     As I mentioned to Stumpy, I do not mind the rivet counters.  To some extent we owe the finely detailed models we have to their persistence.  As with any extreme ends of the hobby both sides can be as equally annoying – if they impose their views as the only views.  The approach you describe is right, our hobby includes both extremes so it is fun for all of us.   Best Regards   Paul Krause   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:20 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Scale Measurement - Rivet Counters     I hear you, Stumpy. I just don't mind the rivet counters. Making sure that the visible parts of a model match as closely as possible to the visible parts of the prototype can be a lot of fun. I would never choose to deny that fun to the ones who enjoy it. One of the tasks (there are more than required so that the candidates have some options) for earning the MMR is to recreate a scene from real life. Find an industry, business or setting with some interesting content in buildings, terrain, tracks or trains and then reproduce it in miniature. Hard to do such a thing without counting boards, rails, wheels and even rivets. The purpose of the MMR program is to foster the modelling skills, operating expertise and communications that keep the rail history hobbyists from depending entirely on the skill of the manufacturers. I understand and respect that point of view. What I don't understand as well is the tunnel-vision that people on that side of the hobby that leads them to believe it is the only way. In fact, people on all sides of the hobby spectrum seem to develop the the belief that it is their own way or no way. In truth, there are many ways to win. Counting rivets and as much apparent fidelity to a prototype is one. Accepting a caricature of the items being modeled in hopes of capturing the spirit is another. There are many winning shades between them. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75488	From: kempfam	Date: 11/19/2014
Subject: Re: Scale Measurement

My mantra is if it's your railroad, you can do what you want with it.  If you ask for advice you will get it.  If you ask for help, you will get it.  If I don't like what you're doing, I won't argue the point.   Ron Kemp Sent from Samsung tablet

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75489	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 11/20/2014
Subject: Re: Scale Measurement

Ron,   I agree wholeheartedly. If my railroad (The Great Northern Pacific) wants a Big Boy....then fine...they get one. Who is going to argue the point as there was no prototype GNP. it's my bloody railroad and I make the rules as to what type rolling stock it has. The same applies to any and all of you. It's YOUR railroad and YOU make the rules.  Bob Lampe   Kalispell,MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75490	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 11/20/2014
Subject: Rivet counters

Dear Stumpy: Rivet counters are much more prevalent in On3.  Soph, my father, had a special train he would run out of a tunnel.  It was lead by a heavily weathered locomotive followed by five, heavily weathered Gramps tanks cars; crawling at about three scale miles per hour.  The current foamer (extreme train fans) would be drooling into the floor. The image was broken when a glossy, re-gauged Lionel Lifesavers tank car with the colourful bands popped out of the tunnel. I now have this car.  It needs new S-Scale ARCH BAR trucks to replace the On3 ARCH BAR trucks.  (On3 couplers are easy.  The draft gear box works with S-Scale Kadees.) I also have an adorable, two truck, tiny (for On3) caboose.  It was built by a friend for my father.  It too needs to swap ARCH BAR trucks. My father built the models the way he wanted; rivet counter and NMRA judges be damned.  I echo this.  I never build a model for a contest; I build what I like and what fits my layout.  It is just for fun that I enter these models into the contests to 1. add another model; and 2. see how far it gets, warts and all! Happy modeling in YOUR universe! Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75491	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/20/2014
Subject: production samples of flat car load

Attachments : Wabash Flat W Westinghouse Load 300 DPI-75491.JPG IMG_1803.jpg IMG_1802.JPG Attached are some photos of production samples of the flat car load I am offering. They are not cleaned up in the slightest. My urethane caster continues to defy what I know what casting and parting lines by making amazing quality parts for me.   It seems that the people of “I will buy them” from 2+ months ago has not equated into people of “ I will send the check to you tomorrow”. I got some checks here so far but not as many as I though should be here by now. ***I am in.*** The mold has been made so I have to buy it.     I am selling them in sets of 3 castings for $40.00 + $3.00 shipping, or 4 for $50.00 + $3.00 for shipping via USPS without insurance or tracking.   The casting is 2 1/4” long. The flat car shown is 44 feet long.   I would much prefer to ship to the US only but email me if you are outside of the US and really want a set. I will see what I can do.   I would like to cut the ordering off by 12-1-14 so I can get a count for the production run.   Send payment to: Bill Lane 305 Dubois Ave West Deptford NJ 08096   I will not deposit the payments until the production run is here.   Any questions please reply directly.       Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing http://www.3dmodeltech.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75492	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

When I operate trains with my friends who have rolling stock that use Kaydee Couplers, uncoupling cars is easy: insert a sharp pointed stick between the knuckles, twist, and voila: separation.   Other than hand crafting a special device, has anyone discovered a tool that permits the easy uncoupling of cars that have the large American Flyer knuckles: a tool that does not pull the cars up off the track, a tool that can be used to separate easily with one hand?   Joe New Hampshire

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75493	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

I use a board from the sawmill, but a popsicle stick would probably work just as well. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Nov 21, 2014, at 5:20 AM, "UNLV666@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   When I operate trains with my friends who have rolling stock that use Kaydee Couplers, uncoupling cars is easy: insert a sharp pointed stick between the knuckles, twist, and voila: separation.   Other than hand crafting a special device, has anyone discovered a tool that permits the easy uncoupling of cars that have the large American Flyer knuckles: a tool that does not pull the cars up off the track, a tool that can be used to separate easily with one hand?   Joe New Hampshire

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75494	From: hzvggb	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Lionel Turnouts

Does anyone know about Lionel's plans to produce #5 fastrax turnouts?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75495	From: snstrains	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

A popsicle stick works wonders when used to push the coupler weight upward. Steve, Boise   In a message dated 11/21/2014 6:27:54 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   When I operate trains with my friends who have rolling stock that use Kaydee Couplers, uncoupling cars is easy: insert a sharp pointed stick between the knuckles, twist, and voila: separation.   Other than hand crafting a special device, has anyone discovered a tool that permits the easy uncoupling of cars that have the large American Flyer knuckles: a tool that does not pull the cars up off the track, a tool that can be used to separate easily with one hand?   Joe New Hampshire

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75496	From: hzvggb	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

I use a plastic knife.  I heat the end about 1/2 " and bend the tip about 1/2" from the end 90 degrees

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75497	From: mike gardner	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

I use one of the pixie sticks that was left over from the game. It was very cheap. On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:59 PM, "hzvggb@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I use a plastic knife.  I heat the end about 1/2 " and bend the tip about 1/2" from the end 90 degrees

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75498	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

Intersting!   In a message dated 11/21/2014 4:24:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I use one of the pixie sticks that was left over from the game. It was very cheap. On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:59 PM, "hzvggb@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I use a plastic knife.  I heat the end about 1/2 " and bend the tip about 1/2" from the end 90 degrees

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75499	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

That's an interesting idea!     In a message dated 11/21/2014 3:56:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I use a plastic knife.  I heat the end about 1/2 " and bend the tip about 1/2" from the end 90 degrees

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75500	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

Thanks for the suggestion. I have been using a tongue suppressor, but I thought there may be something else out there that works better.   In a message dated 11/21/2014 1:28:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I use a board from the sawmill, but a popsicle stick would probably work just as well. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Nov 21, 2014, at 5:20 AM, "UNLV666@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   When I operate trains with my friends who have rolling stock that use Kaydee Couplers, uncoupling cars is easy: insert a sharp pointed stick between the knuckles, twist, and voila: separation.   Other than hand crafting a special device, has anyone discovered a tool that permits the easy uncoupling of cars that have the large American Flyer knuckles: a tool that does not pull the cars up off the track, a tool that can be used to separate easily with one hand?   Joe New Hampshire

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75501	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

Thanks, Steve!   In a message dated 11/21/2014 2:56:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   A popsicle stick works wonders when used to push the coupler weight upward. Steve, Boise   In a message dated 11/21/2014 6:27:54 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   When I operate trains with my friends who have rolling stock that use Kaydee Couplers, uncoupling cars is easy: insert a sharp pointed stick between the knuckles, twist, and voila: separation.   Other than hand crafting a special device, has anyone discovered a tool that permits the easy uncoupling of cars that have the large American Flyer knuckles: a tool that does not pull the cars up off the track, a tool that can be used to separate easily with one hand?   Joe New Hampshire

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75502	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/21/2014
Subject: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

A couple of years ago, I made up a special Appalachian Flyer Uncoupling Tool to use at the Spring S Spree.  There was even a very officious instruction sheet, complete with warnings about mis-using the tool.  In reality it was nothing but a craft stick modified with a "spoon" shape filed into one end to fit the coupler weight and a fancy paint job so it would be harder to lose. Not only did it get a few chuckles, but had I had a dozen or so, I could have sold them! Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best....with a little paint slathered on.  :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75503	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/22/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

Thanks, Stumpy!   In a message dated 11/21/2014 11:11:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   A couple of years ago, I made up a special Appalachian Flyer Uncoupling Tool to use at the Spring S Spree.  There was even a very officious instruction sheet, complete with warnings about mis-using the tool.  In reality it was nothing but a craft stick modified with a "spoon" shape filed into one end to fit the coupler weight and a fancy paint job so it would be harder to lose. Not only did it get a few chuckles, but had I had a dozen or so, I could have sold them! Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best....with a little paint slathered on.  :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75504	From: scaler164	Date: 11/22/2014
Subject: A Few New 1:64 Finds

Just came across these today :        http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/add_item.asp?ProductCode=FG60-0266        http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/add_item.asp?ProductCode=GL13081        http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/add_item.asp?ProductCode=AC-SF58        http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/add_item.asp?ProductCode=AC-SF35        http://www.diecastdirect.com/asp_modules/add_item.asp?ProductCode=AC-SF29     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75505	From: lou342ac	Date: 11/22/2014
Subject: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

Not much of a problem uncoupling American Flyer cars whether it was a link or knuckle couplers, any small device that would fit under the coupler that you could use to lift worked fine. On the other hand, HO equipment in 1950's & 1960's, with the NMRA couplers, was another story all together, hated those couplers. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75506	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/22/2014
Subject: Re: Uncoupling American Flyer Couplers

Thanks for the observation, Lou.   In a message dated 11/22/2014 12:33:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Not much of a problem uncoupling American Flyer cars whether it was a link or knuckle couplers, any small device that would fit under the coupler that you could use to lift worked fine. On the other hand, HO equipment in 1950's & 1960's, with the NMRA couplers, was another story all together, hated those couplers. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75507	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/22/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 24 November 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 24 November 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75508	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/23/2014
Subject: Old Time Cs

Wow Lou, you said a mouthful and brought back memories!   Working in HO in the old days was quite a struggle with couplers!   By the mid-fifties, both Lionel and American Flyer made oversize but relatively good looking knuckle couplers that worked!  The same could not be said in HO!   Model Die Casting (Roundhouse) made an operating knuckle coupler in "white metal" that could be "operated remotely" by an uncoupling ramp between the rails.  Unfortunately it was cursed by a lot of casting "flash" that needed removed (like most cast parts of the day) and even with a LOT of work and "tuning" worked about half the time. Several small manufacturers made "dummy" knuckle couplers, again cast in metal.  But to couple or uncouple, you lifted the end of a car to do so. There was the Mantua coupler which looked  and operated very much like the LGB coupler in G scale, but was made of brass stampings.  Today's rivet counters would have a heart attack looking at it. Best of the old time couplers was the Baker coupler.  It looked somewhat like a knuckle with an axe through it and was all brass stampings.  The "axe" part (known to many then as "the chopper") had a flat stamped "air hose" that contacted an uncoupling ramp, but it was probably the best operating coupler available then.  The Baker was the favorite of the legendary model railroader John Allen "because they work." With half a dozen or more truck and coupler combinations available, many kit manufacturers sold kits without trucks and couplers.  The NMRA decided to design a "standard" coupler that everyone would use.  What came out of this effort was the X2f "horn hook" which was never actually mandated, but the manufacturers adopted. This was probably the worst coupler ever made in HO, and was roundly cussed for forty years until the Kadee knuckle coupler became the defacto standard in most scales. So, the next time you are cussing those old American Flyer couplers, just remember they were among the best looking AND operating knuckle couplers in any scale for decades and still operate well after sixty years. NOTE: Due to computer problems, this is the second time I have tried to post this message! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75509	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/23/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 24 November 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 24 November 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75510	From: stephen.terni	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: Flyonel Power Pickups

Hi all, I have a 1995 Flyonel Conrail GP 7 that is in need of new rail power pickups.  It uses the plunger type, basically a rectangular shoe with a spring that fits into a bracket on the chassis. Does anyone know where to find these? Many thanks, Steve Terni Houston

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75511	From: alan smith	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel Power Pickups

Contact Doug  ----- doug@... Cheers,  Al  Hamilton, Oh On Nov 24, 2014, at 5:16 PM, stephen.terni@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi all, I have a 1995 Flyonel Conrail GP 7 that is in need of new rail power pickups.  It uses the plunger type, basically a rectangular shoe with a spring that fits into a bracket on the chassis. Does anyone know where to find these? Many thanks, Steve Terni Houston

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75512	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: Re: Flyonel Power Pickups

There are several sources for these but Doug Peck at Portlines Hobby Supplies is one source. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:16 PM, stephen.terni@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Hi all, I have a 1995 Flyonel Conrail GP 7 that is in need of new rail power pickups.  It uses the plunger type, basically a rectangular shoe with a spring that fits into a bracket on the chassis. Does anyone know where to find these? Many thanks, Steve Terni Houston

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75513	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: For sale: 1991 American Models B&O Streamliner Set

Each car has hi-rail wheels and the American Models version of scale couplers, is brand-new in the original box, and unassembled. (These were sold as kits in those days.) The set comprises five cars: - Baggage Car "Harpers Ferry" - Sleeping Car "Thriftland" - Vista Dome Car "Sunlight Dome" - Coach Car "Youngstown" - Observation Car "Fountain Square" They were purchased by my client's late father in 1991 from Scenery Unlimited; the flier in the box advertises the set at $210 Plus $3.25 postage. Oh, how the times have changed. Pictures available on request. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75514	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: for sale: Plasticville structures and people

I have the following Plasticville items for sale: 1814  Switch Tower 1815 Signal Bridge 1817  Loading Platform 1911  Suburban Station 1915  Citizens (two sets in one box, more or less, painted, some poorly) 1916  Water Tower 1917  Railroad Work Car 1919  Hospital 1921  Firedhouse 1975  Coaling Station   The boxes are all in P-9/P-10 new condition and the contents complete and mint, never assembled or glued. There is also a small plastic box containing two male and two female O Scale figures made by Boyd Models. These figures are essentially identical in height to the Plasticville #1915 Citizens. They do not have a flat base like the Plasticville Citizens. Make offer for any one or more. I haven't yet researched what these sell for. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75515	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: FW: [G_Gauge] VCLCo BLACK FRIDAY EVENT - Announces a plan-set to bui

Attachments : Some interesting structure kits available in many scales, including S. Roy Inman           Our newest release is an Ore Mine in virtually any scale- HO, S, O, #1, 1/2", G, F, 7/8", 1", etc., etc., etc. scale Plan-set ••••   For Black Friday we will supply this plan-set Footprint dimensioned in your scale and shipped free, using USPS 2-Day Priority insured service (US only)!   http://www.vclco.com/Other-Bldgs--.html                                  This plan-set includes six (6) folded sheets spiral bound super B (13" x 19") size paper. This plan-set is dimensioned prototypically with all the major dimensions for the modeler interested in building a; coal, copper, gold, lead, quartz, silver, or zinc, etc. diorama on a model layout. 3-D renderings are shown on sheets for clarity of the modeler. Shown are Ore Car loaders, but this could easily be converted for trucks. Shown on the plan-set are a: Head Frame Rock House two (2) Loaders If the modeler has built a kit they probably have acquired the skills to build this unique model. Super B size (13"x 19") foldout plan-set sheets include: Perspective Drawing Front side view elevation Right side view elevation Rear side view elevation Left side view elevation Footprint (top) view (will be dimensioned in the scale requested) Approximate "Footprint" sizes for standard gauge ore car loading (narrow gauge ore cars footprints would be smaller): HO (1:87) scale footprint       = 19-1/4" x 12-1/16" S (1:64) scale footprint           = 26-1/8" x 16-3/8" O (1:48) scale footprint          = 34-7/8" x 21-7/8" 3/8" #1 (1:32) scale footprint = 52-5/16" x 32-3/4" 1/2" (1:24) scale footprint      = 69-3/4" x 43-11/16" G (1:22.5) scale footprint       = 74-7/16" x 46-5/8" F (1:20.3) scale footprint        = 82-7/16" x 51-5/8" 7/8" (1:13.7) scale footprint    = 122-3/16" x 76-9/16" 1" (1:12) scale footprint          = 139-1/2" x 87-3/8"           Footprint view will be dimensioned as shown above upon request.   For those who like larger size drawings and large scale modelers, this plan-set is also available on 6) D size (24" x 34") sheets rolled and shipped free in a tube.   Drawings are printed on heavy 60 lb acid-free/ECF-Free paper (complying with sustainable Forest Management procedures). These plans are offered by the Vilas County Lumber Co. which also has more than 80 other plan-sets such as bridges, several depots, single stall engine house, grain elevators, barges and car floats, wagons, sheds, trestles, a tunnel portal, sawmill and shingle mill buildings. Have a great Turkey Day.     ------ End of Forwarded Message

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75516	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/24/2014
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 21808 CNW Baldwin

Unpainted version. Shell is beautiful: should clean to C-7, maybe even C-8. No crack at screw! All steps and horns are intact. Runs both forward and reverse, but wheels spark badly. Needs wheel cleaning & service. Pictures available on request. TM Guide lists it at $180 in C-7 condition; Greenberg $107. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75517	From: traindavid	Date: 11/25/2014
Subject: Prototype for "Built by Gilbret!"

Hi folks, ran across this picture taken at the Illinois Railroad Museum, and thought I'd share it: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1030576 I know how this happened, I'll tell you later! :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75518	From: traindavid	Date: 11/25/2014
Subject: Prototype for "Built by Gilbert" additional photos

Other side: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1030571 Nose photo, there was a patch plate over the lower headlight recess that had "American Flyer Lines" on it. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1030575

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75519	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/26/2014
Subject: Re: Prototype for "Built by Gilbret!"

So, come on, I'm dying to hear the story! Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "djdewey@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Hi folks, ran across this picture taken at the Illinois Railroad Museum, and thought I'd share it: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1030576 I know how this happened, I'll tell you later! :)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75520	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/26/2014
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 792 Passenger Terminal

Just received in an estate collection. Complete - no parts missing. Has four passenger ramps. Purchased from Doug Peck, this may be a reproduction. Looks like it has never been assembled: bolts are sealed in a plastic pouch. Make offer.   Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75521	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 11/27/2014
Subject: Thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to all our members and families. Remember what our holiday is about and give thanks for all that you do have. Go run your trains and fantasize yourself riding the rails as your trains run off to your imaginary fairyland. The season has arrived. Put those Christmas layouts up and enjoy. from your group staff, Happy Thanksgiving

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75522	From: traindavid	Date: 11/27/2014
Subject: "Built by Gilbert" prototype--rest of the story

OK, was hoping to find my pictures of this engine at Portola to post with this, but no luck. (they're print, not electronic! So, Decades ago, late 1990s I worked at Portola painting locomotives, like the CZ surviving engine, 805A. Well, I had an afternoon off, it was quiet, and the weather was nice (sometimes a rare thing there), and here was this Long Island Alco FA waiting to be shipped to the Illinois Railroad Museum, and there was a bunch of black paint donated by Chervon laying about. . . .Hmm, what would be fun to see in Trains magazine, or elsewhere?? So, on the nose went "AMERICAN FLYER LINES" and on the sides, towards the rear, "BUILT BY GILBERT."  It took a few months for the loco to get shipped out, and during that time one of AC Gilbert's nephews stopped by the museum, and when he saw that, we were introduced (the museum staff knew who the culprit was), so that was a nice side-effect. Unfortunately, I didn't see any reactions in print to my effort--oh well. I had no idea the lettering would still be on it this long--if the nose cover plate hadn't been taken off, it would still have the AFL on it. RATS! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75523	From: alan smith	Date: 11/27/2014
Subject: Re: "Built by Gilbert" prototype--rest of the story

A nIce story - another fun day at work --- Or Play !!!  On Nov 27, 2014, at 2:04 PM, djdewey@... [S-Trains] wrote:   OK, was hoping to find my pictures of this engine at Portola to post with this, but no luck. (they're print, not electronic! So, Decades ago, late 1990s I worked at Portola painting locomotives, like the CZ surviving engine, 805A. Well, I had an afternoon off, it was quiet, and the weather was nice (sometimes a rare thing there), and here was this Long Island Alco FA waiting to be shipped to the Illinois Railroad Museum, and there was a bunch of black paint donated by Chervon laying about. . . .Hmm, what would be fun to see in Trains magazine, or elsewhere?? So, on the nose went "AMERICAN FLYER LINES" and on the sides, towards the rear, "BUILT BY GILBERT."  It took a few months for the loco to get shipped out, and during that time one of AC Gilbert's nephews stopped by the museum, and when he saw that, we were introduced (the museum staff knew who the culprit was), so that was a nice side-effect. Unfortunately, I didn't see any reactions in print to my effort--oh well. I had no idea the lettering would still be on it this long--if the nose cover plate hadn't been taken off, it would still have the AFL on it. RATS! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75524	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/27/2014
Subject: Gilbert American Flyer 792 Terminal

Does anybody out there have one that's not inextricably installed on your layout the way my two are? If you have one that you know for sure is a Gilbert original, could you please check and see if it is marked anywhere with the Gilbert or American Flyer name, or any XA or PA part numbers. I'd appreciate it. I'm trying to figure out how to tell the difference between a reproduction and an original. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75525	From: snstrains	Date: 11/28/2014
Subject: Re: Gilbert American Flyer 792 Terminal

There should be a Gilbert sticker on the bottom left rear side (from the front) of the bldg.   Steve, Boise   In a message dated 11/27/2014 9:20:30 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Does anybody out there have one that's not inextricably installed on your layout the way my two are? If you have one that you know for sure is a Gilbert original, could you please check and see if it is marked anywhere with the Gilbert or American Flyer name, or any XA or PA part numbers. I'd appreciate it. I'm trying to figure out how to tell the difference between a reproduction and an original. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75526	From: mike gardner	Date: 11/28/2014
Subject: 717,919 body and door

Does anyone know where I could find parts numbers and parts for 719 and 919 dump cars? Thanks in advance to all who may answer Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75527	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 11/29/2014
Subject: Re: 717,919 body and door

Hi Mike.  You might check with Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbies.  He has the knowledge and usually parts for many of the AF cars and engines.  Take care.   Bob        From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 11:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 717,919 body and door     Does anyone know where I could find parts numbers and parts for 719 and 919 dump cars? Thanks in advance to all who may answer Mike Gardner This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75528	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/29/2014
Subject: Re: 717,919 body and door

Tom Seccia's book, page 95. Order it from Tom and you'll have a wealth of information on parts for just about everything. Or if you only have a specific question on those two cars, I obviously have a copy and can answer it for you. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Nov 28, 2014, at 9:37 PM, "mike gardner tamerlane_46@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Does anyone know where I could find parts numbers and parts for 719 and 919 dump cars? Thanks in advance to all who may answer Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75529	From: Eric	Date: 11/29/2014
Subject: Updated for Sale List

Updated 11/29/2014.  Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving day which was topped off here by a pretty good football game. Go SeaHawks. Now the Sounders Tomorrow. For Sale  November 2014—#2  These are all like new but have been run basically for testing.  There are no marks or damage to any of them. I will double check any item sold and note anything to the buyer before shipping.  Not all have the original boxes and all packing,(I am still digging)  All have Kadee couplers and high rail wheels unless noted.  I do not have the alternative scale wheels and flyer compatible couplers for the cars,  Engines are as noted. I have a FEW scale wheels so may be able to trade out for a few cars. I have no knuckle couplers.   The previous owner Sold/Traded the scale wheels and knuckle couplers 1.  Lionel American Flyer U33C Northern Pacific Diesel  includes extra scale wheels!!.  Engine number 3309.   Lionel number 6-48161.  New price was $479. My price $325.  About 35% off. 3.  S Helper 3 unit F7 Sante fe engine set  Red/Silver  Like new.  All items in original box including scale wheels.  These units each have their own Lenz decoder so they run as as a consist, no sound.  $650 4. American Models Budd cars  Sante Fe  silver cars.  4 car set and 3 extra cars ( 2x 3087, 1x 3086).  $250 for the 4 and $65 for the separate cars. AM solid small couplers. 7.  SHS  hopper cars 3 different BN cars  all green ( 424702 nobox,  42471 nobox, 424743 withbox), $45 each 8.  SHS Refer car Marhoefer   72202  $60 12.  SHS stock car 53083 GN  $50 14.  SHS Refer car,  Swift Premium  7080 (from the set, no box, Silver  $60 15.  American Models Streamline dome car, Northern Pacific.  $65 16.  Flyer/Ace/SHS boxcar,  BN  Flyer boxcar shell 48304 with Ace base and SHS trucks and kadee style couplers.  $35 18.  SHS  (AM) Great Northern Café Parlor Car  Heavyweight  Passenger Highrail, Knuckles.  Very Rare  $125. 19.  Track Cleaning car  BN Gray PS2 Hopper This car has rolling very fine stone wheel underneath. Like a rolling grinder, Just add oil and go.  Not powered. Not sure of manyfacturer.  $75. 20.  Northern Pacific silver Refer Car.  Lionel/Flyer body, Ace Floor, SHS trucks and couplers.  Kadee high rail.  $40 21.  2x S helper GN ore cars brown, 98297 and 89000.  With Loads.  $75 Pair. 22.  S Helper Green GN Boxcar  27003  $50 23.  S Helper Northern Pacific Caboose  10422   $60 24.  2x trailer loads no wheels or frames.   All metal,  $25 pair.  These have been repainted and decaled.  25.  GN offset hopper with blue mountain load  73694   $40. 26.  Track Cleaner car  GN WFE Refer 67304  This is a S and S conversion with the large rotating scotchbrite disk on the bottom. 1 kadee coupler and one knuckle. I can change out either if wanted.  $85. 27.  NEW SET  of 3 new American Flyer Books.  All dated 2013 and 2014.  10  American Flyer Instruction sheets, 2) American Flyer Service manyals and Partslist and diagrams for diesels, 3) American Flyer Service manyals and Partslist and diagrams for Steam engines. These are produce by W.M Koronado  as AMERICAN FLYER EXPRESS  Spiral bound books, Plastic covers. Each over 1 inch thick.  They are cleaned up copies for  all the part sheets and exploded drawings for the steam engines, diesels and accessories.    $150 for the set.  I have seen some on ebay for $65 each book.   Make me an offer.  Especially if you want a bunch of items! Shipping is extra,  All will be boxed well and insured.  I have not had a lost or broken package yet. > Eric Reis EricRhere@... > Kenmore Wa. 98028 > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99 (over 1000 positives) > > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75530	From: mike gardner	Date: 11/30/2014
Subject: Re: 717,919 body and door

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75531	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/30/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 01 December 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 01 December 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75532	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/30/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 01 December 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 01 December 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75533	From: traindavid	Date: 12/2/2014
Subject: OT: Last ditch effort to save the Delta Queen Steamboat--URGENT!

As you know, I am a long time fan of the historic Steamboat, The Delta Queen. She is currently out of service, with an uncertain future in Chattanooga, Tennessee. A group is ready to purchase her and put her back into service on the rivers, but congress must allow her to operate. This is not a request for any public funds, just a request for permission to operate. The bill to allow that is Senate bill S-1022, which is tied up in the transportation committee. We have less than TEN days to get this bill out of committee, and voted on by the Senate. I'm asking you to take time to make a simple phone call to the committee--which I just did, and it took less than 5 minutes!--actually about 2 minutes, less time than it is taking me to compose this note. Below is the plea from the Save the Delta Queen campaign with phone numbers and additional information. We really need to work on this as American Cruise Lines has hired a lobbyist to campaign against the Delta Queen's return--they have one boat, and three more building to cruise the American Inland Waterways, and don't want the competition from a REAL Steamboat. This lobbyist is spreading false information about the boat, so we have to tell the real story and show public support for saving this American Icon. Thank you for any support and action!! David Dewey PS, I am posting the more recent email, with an updated phone number first There is a more current phone number to call for the Committee on Science, Commerce and Transportation: (202) 224-0411 Our advice is: ask for Brandon and make clear that it is urgent something must be done on Bill S 1022 before December 12, 2014. The committee's chairman Sen. Jay Rockefeller is retiring at the end of the year and if the bill does not pass now, we will have to start all over again with a new bill in the House and Senate ... Please, call (202) 224-0411. Thank you so much for your support. Yours Sincerely, Franz Neumeier The exemption bill for the Delta Queen is still stuck in the Senate and time is running out quickly. That’s why today we ask you for your support, again. Please call the Committee on Science, Commerce and Transportation and speak to anyone there – the number is (202) 224-9000. Explain to the committee why you support Senate Bill S.1022 which is the exemption bill. Please don’t lose any time, do it immediately as December 12 is the last day of this Congress. If you need further information about the bill and the text of it to make your conversation easier, please visit http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:SN01022:|/home/LegislativeData.php . This will help you be better informed when speaking with the committee. The head of this Committee is Senator Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia. One of the concerns some of the committee members had was the safety of the boat. Many of you have taken trips on the DQ. Please tell the member you speak with about the fire and safety drills that were conducted before we left the dock, if you saw sprinkler systems, fire extinguishers, or a fire alarm in your room, and also if you accidentally ever set it off following a hot steamy shower and the quick and professional response that was received from the crew. We are running out of time to get this legislation passed. We are hoping that it will be attached to another bill to be presented for a vote before the Senate before the end of this year, however the Holidays are fastly approaching and that means the Senate will be on vacation, all of everyone involved in this tremendous undertaking of trying to get her returned to cruising industry are counting on you to drive up the pressure on the committee. Please call them today, then also contact your current state Senator's office and express your support for this bill and how much it means to you and the importance of preserving a piece of American history. Again, the number of the Committee on Science, Commerce and Transportation is (202) 224-9000. Thank you so much for your support. Together we can make it happen! Yours Sincerely, Franz Neumeier www.save-the-delta-queen.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75534	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: 296 Loco from antique store

On a recent trip to Southern California, I had the good fortune to find an AF 296 loco in an antique store in a rural area.  Needless to say, I bought it for the asking price of $28.  A little research has revealed that this uncataloged locomotive, which is pretty much a 293, but with a whistle, was included in only one set, the 9692, which was said by both the Greenberg and Tufts books on sets to be from 1956.  Greenberg said it was a Sears set.  The loco is said to be from 1955 though.  If it was sold only in the 1956 set, was it manufactured the year before but not marketed?  Or is the set date wrong?  I haven't disassembled it yet, but will be looking closely for date stamps inside the boiler.  The tender shell was loose and the whistle mechanism seems to be intact with only two small tears in the speaker, which I think should be repairable.  It needs a coal pusher and a trailing truck, as well as the red plastic interior smoke stack and a gear cover plate.  The only part that is giving me a little trouble is the coal pusher.  I can't find a part number for it on the exploded diagrams, which don't even identify it as a separate part.  I doubt it was cast into the tender as there is a hole in the tender where it should go.   I will probably be trying to create the set it came with, which shouldn't be too hard.  (912, 926, 924, 916 and 930)  I assume the 930 would be the tuscan version marketed in the 55-57 years. If anyone can provide information about this locomotive or the set that contained it,  I would appreciate it. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75535	From: colleran@infionline.net	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: 971 Moe & Joe

Moe and Joe walked off the job some time ago and I need some replacements to unload the lumber for Christmas. Does anyone out there have a pair or two of the men for the lumber unloading car - in stock? I know the usual suspects but so far they are all out-of-stock. Thanks. - Nick Colleran colleran@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75536	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 971 Moe & Joe

Have you called Ron Leventon (360) 748-3643? He doesn't do email or the Internet. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 3, 2014, at 12:31 PM, "'colleran@...' colleran@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Moe and Joe walked off the job some time ago and I need some replacements to unload the lumber for Christmas. Does anyone out there have a pair or two of the men for the lumber unloading car - in stock? I know the usual suspects but so far they are all out-of-stock. Thanks. - Nick Colleran colleran@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75537	From: Frank	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 971 Moe & Joe

Part number should be, PA 13A445.    ID: 1311 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2014, at 1:31 PM, 'colleran@...' colleran@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Moe and Joe walked off the job some time ago and I need some replacements to unload the lumber for Christmas. Does anyone out there have a pair or two of the men for the lumber unloading car - in stock? I know the usual suspects but so far they are all out-of-stock. Thanks. - Nick Colleran colleran@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75538	From: Frank	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 971 Moe & Joe

Contact Doug Peck at Portlines in Ma. 1(888) 708-0782 or (978) 465-8798. You can also check his site, but I would call him.  www.portlines.com  Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2014, at 1:31 PM, 'colleran@...' colleran@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Moe and Joe walked off the job some time ago and I need some replacements to unload the lumber for Christmas. Does anyone out there have a pair or two of the men for the lumber unloading car - in stock? I know the usual suspects but so far they are all out-of-stock. Thanks. - Nick Colleran colleran@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75539	From: Tom	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store

Hi Dale, You should get a copy of Mike Korando’s recently published book on American Flyer Steam Engines (parts and diagrams), which contains this locomotive, including diagrams, parts lists, and wiring diagrams.  Mike’s book is an excellent reference if you don’t own it.  Doug Peck sells it and it is available from a few other sources.  This book won’t give you the history of the locomotive but it will give you repair and maintenance information that you may want. Tom On Dec 3, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Dale Smith dalefsmith@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: On a recent trip to Southern California, I had the good fortune to find an AF 296 loco in an antique store in a rural area.  Needless to say, I bought it for the asking price of $28.  A little research has revealed that this uncataloged locomotive, which is pretty much a 293, but with a whistle, was included in only one set, the 9692, which was said by both the Greenberg and Tufts books on sets to be from 1956.  Greenberg said it was a Sears set.  The loco is said to be from 1955 though.  If it was sold only in the 1956 set, was it manufactured the year before but not marketed?  Or is the set date wrong?  I haven't disassembled it yet, but will be looking closely for date stamps inside the boiler.  The tender shell was loose and the whistle mechanism seems to be intact with only two small tears in the speaker, which I think should be repairable.  It needs a coal pusher and a trailing truck, as well as the red plastic interior smoke stack and a gear cover plate.  The only part that is giving me a little trouble is the coal pusher.  I can't find a part number for it on the exploded diagrams, which don't even identify it as a separate part.  I doubt it was cast into the tender as there is a hole in the tender where it should go.    I will probably be trying to create the set it came with, which shouldn't be too hard.  (912, 926, 924, 916 and 930)  I assume the 930 would be the tuscan version marketed in the 55-57 years.  If anyone can provide information about this locomotive or the set that contained it,  I would appreciate it. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75540	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store

Hi Dale The trailing truck ia XA 12A350 the coal pusher is PA 12A079 the red smoke tube insert is PA 12A190 The speaker maybe the same as 313 and 316 if so the number is XA 11B831 You can get the parts from the following people Tom seccia  seccia@... Doug Peck doug@... Todd Metcalf trainsandmore@... Ron levington levington Hobby Supply phone 360 748 3643   They are all great to work with I purchase parts all the time if you need a blow up for repair please e mail me your address and will send you a copy or Doug Peck may have them on line Good luck Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 296 Loco from antique store     On a recent trip to Southern California, I had the good fortune to find an AF 296 loco in an antique store in a rural area.  Needless to say, I bought it for the asking price of $28.  A little research has revealed that this uncataloged locomotive, which is pretty much a 293, but with a whistle, was included in only one set, the 9692, which was said by both the Greenberg and Tufts books on sets to be from 1956.  Greenberg said it was a Sears set.  The loco is said to be from 1955 though.  If it was sold only in the 1956 set, was it manufactured the year before but not marketed?  Or is the set date wrong?  I haven't disassembled it yet, but will be looking closely for date stamps inside the boiler.  The tender shell was loose and the whistle mechanism seems to be intact with only two small tears in the speaker, which I think should be repairable.  It needs a coal pusher and a trailing truck, as well as the red plastic interior smoke stack and a gear cover plate.  The only part that is giving me a little trouble is the coal pusher.  I can't find a part number for it on the exploded diagrams, which don't even identify it as a separate part.  I doubt it was cast into the tender as there is a hole in the tender where it should go.   I will probably be trying to create the set it came with, which shouldn't be too hard.  (912, 926, 924, 916 and 930)  I assume the 930 would be the tuscan version marketed in the 55-57 years. If anyone can provide information about this locomotive or the set that contained it,  I would appreciate it. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75541	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: For Sale: AmericanFlyer 4856 Santa Fe Freight Alco PA/PB/PA Set

This is the hard-to-find set made in 1956 and 1957 in Santa Fe's blue-black-yellow freight livery. Cosmetically, it is in legitimate TCA C-7 Excellent condition. All horns, ladders, skirts, etc., are intact. It runs well, both forward and reverse, and the reversing e-unit is much more reliable than most. I cleaned the wheels, remnoved the old grease, greased the gears, and oiled the axles in the powered unit. Both headlights work. The diesel roar works nicely, but the horn doesn't; I haven't yet opened it up to troubleshoot it. Pictures available on request. The TM Guide lists it at $800 in C-7 condition. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75542	From: snstrains	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store

I'm pretty sure that un-cataloged set is from 1955.   Steve Boise   In a message dated 12/3/2014 2:17:45 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   On a recent trip to Southern California, I had the good fortune to find an AF 296 loco in an antique store in a rural area.  Needless to say, I bought it for the asking price of $28.  A little research has revealed that this uncataloged locomotive, which is pretty much a 293, but with a whistle, was included in only one set, the 9692, which was said by both the Greenberg and Tufts books on sets to be from 1956.  Greenberg said it was a Sears set.  The loco is said to be from 1955 though.  If it was sold only in the 1956 set, was it manufactured the year before but not marketed?  Or is the set date wrong?  I haven't disassembled it yet, but will be looking closely for date stamps inside the boiler.  The tender shell was loose and the whistle mechanism seems to be intact with only two small tears in the speaker, which I think should be repairable.  It needs a coal pusher and a trailing truck, as well as the red plastic interior smoke stack and a gear cover plate.  The only part that is giving me a little trouble is the coal pusher.  I can't find a part number for it on the exploded diagrams, which don't even identify it as a separate part.  I doubt it was cast into the tender as there is a hole in the tender where it should go.   I will probably be trying to create the set it came with, which shouldn't be too hard.  (912, 926, 924, 916 and 930)  I assume the 930 would be the tuscan version marketed in the 55-57 years. If anyone can provide information about this locomotive or the set that contained it,  I would appreciate it. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75543	From: snstrains	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store

P:S Doug Peck at Portlines Hobby has the coal pushers. Steve   In a message dated 12/3/2014 2:17:45 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   On a recent trip to Southern California, I had the good fortune to find an AF 296 loco in an antique store in a rural area.  Needless to say, I bought it for the asking price of $28.  A little research has revealed that this uncataloged locomotive, which is pretty much a 293, but with a whistle, was included in only one set, the 9692, which was said by both the Greenberg and Tufts books on sets to be from 1956.  Greenberg said it was a Sears set.  The loco is said to be from 1955 though.  If it was sold only in the 1956 set, was it manufactured the year before but not marketed?  Or is the set date wrong?  I haven't disassembled it yet, but will be looking closely for date stamps inside the boiler.  The tender shell was loose and the whistle mechanism seems to be intact with only two small tears in the speaker, which I think should be repairable.  It needs a coal pusher and a trailing truck, as well as the red plastic interior smoke stack and a gear cover plate.  The only part that is giving me a little trouble is the coal pusher.  I can't find a part number for it on the exploded diagrams, which don't even identify it as a separate part.  I doubt it was cast into the tender as there is a hole in the tender where it should go.   I will probably be trying to create the set it came with, which shouldn't be too hard.  (912, 926, 924, 916 and 930)  I assume the 930 would be the tuscan version marketed in the 55-57 years. If anyone can provide information about this locomotive or the set that contained it,  I would appreciate it. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75544	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/3/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store

Stan, Thanks for the part numbers.  Actually the trailing truck is the one on the locomotive, not the rear tender truck.  I found the part # to be XA10020.   I am just trying to find a source at the right price.   There can be quite a difference in prices.  Doug doesn't have it listed and I have seen it as high as $29.95.   As to the coal pusher, thanks for the number.  I found that Doug does list that one but doesn't give a part number.  That part number is not listed in the Greenberg numerical parts list book, so I wasn't sure on that.  At least I know it is a separate part that can be attached.  My main quandry is how far to go in restoring the unit.  It probably grades out at a good to very good but there is a small gash in the left side of the tender, so I am debating about replacing the tender shell with one from a 293, which is identical.  Also, I am not sure if I want to touch up the paint on the loco, minus the cab sides of course.  I know this is a rare locomotive and while I want it to look its best, I don't want to change it too much.  One oddity about this locomotive is that it doesn't appear to have the resistor in the air chime whistle circuit and it doesn't look like it was removed.  Maybe by 1955, they avoided this heat producing component in plastic bodied units. I may not be able to get to work on it right away as I have a lot of obligations coming up for the holidays, but that gives me lots of time to think about what I want to do and get the parts I will need. Dale. P.S. to Tom.  I have the K line manual with the exploded views of most of the locomotives produced, but I know some are missing.  There was one for the 293, but not the 296.  As to Mike Korando's book, I would like to see it before I put out $65 to see if it has the stuff that is missing from K Line and the numerous online sources.  Thanks for the information though. On 12/3/2014 5:05 PM, 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi Dale The trailing truck ia XA 12A350 the coal pusher is PA 12A079 the red smoke tube insert is PA 12A190 The speaker maybe the same as 313 and 316 if so the number is XA 11B831 You can get the parts from the following people Tom seccia  seccia@... Doug Peck doug@... Todd Metcalf trainsandmore@... Ron levington levington Hobby Supply phone 360 748 3643   They are all great to work with I purchase parts all the time if you need a blow up for repair please e mail me your address and will send you a copy or Doug Peck may have them on line Good luck Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 296 Loco from antique store     On a recent trip to Southern California, I had the good fortune to find an AF 296 loco in an antique store in a rural area.  Needless to say, I bought it for the asking price of $28.  A little research has revealed that this uncataloged locomotive, which is pretty much a 293, but with a whistle, was included in only one set, the 9692, which was said by both the Greenberg and Tufts books on sets to be from 1956.  Greenberg said it was a Sears set.  The loco is said to be from 1955 though.  If it was sold only in the 1956 set, was it manufactured the year before but not marketed?  Or is the set date wrong?  I haven't disassembled it yet, but will be looking closely for date stamps inside the boiler.  The tender shell was loose and the whistle mechanism seems to be intact with only two small tears in the speaker, which I think should be repairable.  It needs a coal pusher and a trailing truck, as well as the red plastic interior smoke stack and a gear cover plate.  The only part that is giving me a little trouble is the coal pusher.  I can't find a part number for it on the exploded diagrams, which don't even identify it as a separate part.  I doubt it was cast into the tender as there is a hole in the tender where it should go.   I will probably be trying to create the set it came with, which shouldn't be too hard.  (912, 926, 924, 916 and 930)  I assume the 930 would be the tuscan version marketed in the 55-57 years. If anyone can provide information about this locomotive or the set that contained it,  I would appreciate it. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75545	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/4/2014
Subject: Re: 971 Moe & Joe

Nick, These are in production now, and then will have to be painted. We expect them to be available again by late-January to mid-February.     Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75546	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/4/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store

Hi dale   The tender shells are not that expensive depending on how much you want to spend the coal pushers I think are like 2.50 each they are plastic  I also gave you two other sources which I use to get parts both are great people to deal with Todd has a lot of parts and may indeed have the trailing truck he picks up a lot of engines for parts so I would give him a call on both accounts or e mail him. I have every book printed on Gilbert repair plus I was very fortunate to get original copy’s of gilbert repair sheets which I will gladly print what you need and mail them to you I also picked up Ton Seccia’s book I think its like 30.00 it contains both H.O. exploded views as well as S and O with parts listed I enjoy repairing the Gilbert line and anytime I can help you out please e mail me Thanks Stan      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 296 Loco from antique store     Stan, Thanks for the part numbers.  Actually the trailing truck is the one on the locomotive, not the rear tender truck.  I found the part # to be XA10020.   I am just trying to find a source at the right price.   There can be quite a difference in prices.  Doug doesn't have it listed and I have seen it as high as $29.95.   As to the coal pusher, thanks for the number.  I found that Doug does list that one but doesn't give a part number.  That part number is not listed in the Greenberg numerical parts list book, so I wasn't sure on that.  At least I know it is a separate part that can be attached.  My main quandry is how far to go in restoring the unit.  It probably grades out at a good to very good but there is a small gash in the left side of the tender, so I am debating about replacing the tender shell with one from a 293, which is identical.  Also, I am not sure if I want to touch up the paint on the loco, minus the cab sides of course.  I know this is a rare locomotive and while I want it to look its best, I don't want to change it too much.  One oddity about this locomotive is that it doesn't appear to have the resistor in the air chime whistle circuit and it doesn't look like it was removed.  Maybe by 1955, they avoided this heat producing component in plastic bodied units. I may not be able to get to work on it right away as I have a lot of obligations coming up for the holidays, but that gives me lots of time to think about what I want to do and get the parts I will need. Dale. P.S. to Tom.  I have the K line manual with the exploded views of most of the locomotives produced, but I know some are missing.  There was one for the 293, but not the 296.  As to Mike Korando's book, I would like to see it before I put out $65 to see if it has the stuff that is missing from K Line and the numerous online sources.  Thanks for the information though. On 12/3/2014 5:05 PM, 'Stanley Sobieski' americanflyer@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hi Dale The trailing truck ia XA 12A350 the coal pusher is PA 12A079 the red smoke tube insert is PA 12A190 The speaker maybe the same as 313 and 316 if so the number is XA 11B831 You can get the parts from the following people Tom seccia  seccia@... Doug Peck doug@... Todd Metcalf trainsandmore@... Ron levington levington Hobby Supply phone 360 748 3643   They are all great to work with I purchase parts all the time if you need a blow up for repair please e mail me your address and will send you a copy or Doug Peck may have them on line Good luck Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 296 Loco from antique store     On a recent trip to Southern California, I had the good fortune to find an AF 296 loco in an antique store in a rural area.  Needless to say, I bought it for the asking price of $28.  A little research has revealed that this uncataloged locomotive, which is pretty much a 293, but with a whistle, was included in only one set, the 9692, which was said by both the Greenberg and Tufts books on sets to be from 1956.  Greenberg said it was a Sears set.  The loco is said to be from 1955 though.  If it was sold only in the 1956 set, was it manufactured the year before but not marketed?  Or is the set date wrong?  I haven't disassembled it yet, but will be looking closely for date stamps inside the boiler.  The tender shell was loose and the whistle mechanism seems to be intact with only two small tears in the speaker, which I think should be repairable.  It needs a coal pusher and a trailing truck, as well as the red plastic interior smoke stack and a gear cover plate.  The only part that is giving me a little trouble is the coal pusher.  I can't find a part number for it on the exploded diagrams, which don't even identify it as a separate part.  I doubt it was cast into the tender as there is a hole in the tender where it should go.   I will probably be trying to create the set it came with, which shouldn't be too hard.  (912, 926, 924, 916 and 930)  I assume the 930 would be the tuscan version marketed in the 55-57 years. If anyone can provide information about this locomotive or the set that contained it,  I would appreciate it. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75547	From: lx5043	Date: 12/4/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store

Nice find...you can try Gorilla instant glue on the speaker tears. Let it dry well for at least 24 hours. Should provide a nice permanent repair. I used it on my car speaker and it worked well.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75548	From: mktbaden	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER

Hello all, If any one has an SHS billboard reefer #02067 or 02068 (Gunther's Beer) and would like to sell it please let me know. I only want one car and either # is fine. This car was manufactured for the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club in 2010. You may contact me at: banjoflyer1952@... Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75549	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER

Try Hoquat Hobbies   Hobquathobbies.com   Phone # 732-752-0707   Mike in Ore   In a message dated 12/5/2014 12:37:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hello all, If any one has an SHS billboard reefer #02067 or 02068 (Gunther's Beer) and would like to sell it please let me know. I only want one car and either # is fine. This car was manufactured for the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club in 2010. You may contact me at: banjoflyer1952@... Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75550	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Re: SMOKE FLUID AD

I don't post an AD very often, maybe 2 times a year, SO:  Smoke Fluid 4 oz bottle with dropper $10 + $3.50 shipping  add $2 for a funnel.  Contact me off list   Anormal1@...  will take any type payment   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75551	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Ten Wheeler Project Part Four is posted

The final part of the Ten Wheeler Project is posted on Chuck Harrington's website http://myflyertrains.org .   This is an engine that was used for both passenger and freight service, so it will fit in on any layout.   The locomotives used are not too costly to start with and the project isn't all that tough. This is also the final in the series "Stumpy's Station" as I'm going to have to take a break for awhile to care for my 88 year old Mother, who is having serious medical trouble.  But I have a couple of ideas bouncing around in my mind when I can start back up. Thanks to Chuck and all those who have followed the series so far. Terry "Stumpy" Stone in Eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75552	From: David McBrayer	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Re: Ten Wheeler Project Part Four is posted

Stumpy, Thank you for posting your may “Stumpy’s Station” projects.  I have found them creative and useful in my own modeling.  We’ll be waiting when you return.    Cheers, Dave   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 15:32 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Ten Wheeler Project Part Four is posted   The final part of the Ten Wheeler Project is posted on Chuck Harrington's website http://myflyertrains.org .   This is an engine that was used for both passenger and freight service, so it will fit in on any layout.   The locomotives used are not too costly to start with and the project isn't all that tough. This is also the final in the series "Stumpy's Station" as I'm going to have to take a break for awhile to care for my 88 year old Mother, who is having serious medical trouble.  But I have a couple of ideas bouncing around in my mind when I can start back up. Thanks to Chuck and all those who have followed the series so far. Terry "Stumpy" Stone in Eastern Ahia Posted by: mrstumpy@... Reply via web post • Reply to sender • Reply to group • Start a New Topic • Messages in this topic (1) Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ Visit Your Group ·         New Members 2 • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75553	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Re: Ten Wheeler Project Part Four is posted

Thanks, Stumpy!! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2014, at 5:32 PM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   The final part of the Ten Wheeler Project is posted on Chuck Harrington's website http://myflyertrains.org .   This is an engine that was used for both passenger and freight service, so it will fit in on any layout.   The locomotives used are not too costly to start with and the project isn't all that tough. This is also the final in the series "Stumpy's Station" as I'm going to have to take a break for awhile to care for my 88 year old Mother, who is having serious medical trouble.  But I have a couple of ideas bouncing around in my mind when I can start back up. Thanks to Chuck and all those who have followed the series so far. Terry "Stumpy" Stone in Eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75554	From: traindavid	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: OT: UPDATE; Last ditch effort to save the Delta Queen Steamboat--UR

In an effort to get the Delta Queen exemption bill out of committee, a new bill has been created that was worked out between the new Delta Queen owners and the committee. We need to let our senators know to support this bill: S-2924. The National Trust has joined our cause, and sent out this email to their members, which explains how to reach your Senators. There's only a few DAYS left, please help save this American Icon! Thanks! David Dewey Dear Friend, We need your help! With Congress adjourning on December 12th, we have a narrow window of opportunity in which to return the historic Delta Queen Steamboat to overnight passenger service. As our country’s last historic steamboat, the Delta Queen is the last link to our nation’s 200 year history of overnight passenger transportation. Legislation that would enable the Delta Queen to sail the Mississippi river system once again has passed the House of Representatives and is pending action in the Senate. Time is running out this legislative session, so please urge your senators to support advancing S. 2924 before the 113th Congress comes to a close. Please call your Senators today via the Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121 and help us return the Delta Queen to our nation’s waterways. Thank you for letting your senators know that their leadership in saving the Delta Queen and our maritime history is important! Sincerely, Your friends at the National Trust P.S. For more information about the Delta Queen and our campaign to save this National Treasure, visit http://savingplaces.org/treasures/delta-queen.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75555	From: richs009	Date: 12/5/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store

Dale - nice find.  According to Bob Bubeck's 2012 version of the TM guide, this loco was uncatalogued and produced in 1955 (Doyle's book sez the same thing).  The TM guide says it was an uncataloged set (#9692) with a date of 1955, containing the 296 and 912, 926, 924, 916, and 930. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75556	From: mktbaden	Date: 12/6/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER

Hi Mike, I tried Hoquat...no dice. Thanks for the reply.  Guess I'll have to just wait and see if one comes up somewhere. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75557	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/6/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER

Sorry....Hoquat seems to have the most items avail.  Mike   In a message dated 12/6/2014 3:07:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hi Mike, I tried Hoquat...no dice. Thanks for the reply.  Guess I'll have to just wait and see if one comes up somewhere. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75558	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/6/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 08 December 2014

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75559	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store

Greenberg says it was a Sears set.   I would love to see if it was illustrated in any Sears catalogs, but maybe "uncataloged" also includes the Sears catalog.   I looked in a 1956 Wishbook and didn't see anything other than Lionel, Marx, and "Happy Time" and "Allstate" trains.   I will have to try for a 1955 catalog.  Maybe?  I know the Loco was 1955 and it would stand to reason that the set would be from that year too.  I trust the TM guide, so I think they are probably right on that one. Dale On 12/5/2014 6:07 PM, richs009@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Dale - nice find.  According to Bob Bubeck's 2012 version of the TM guide, this loco was uncatalogued and produced in 1955 (Doyle's book sez the same thing).  The TM guide says it was an uncataloged set (#9692) with a date of 1955, containing the 296 and 912, 926, 924, 916, and 930. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75560	From: rick flaherty	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER

Attachments : Bugs P-38[4].png Bugs P-38[3].png Sorry guys.  Typical of this stupid MAC, it posted the response to the wrong email. Funny that that error is only consistent in this group.  Just strange. Again, sorry for the error. Rick "The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein From: rick flaherty <flick23@...> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2014 5:44 PM To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER To paraphrase you what a bunch of crap! I had to go to Palmcaster anyway to get some stuff from the polishing shop, but ended up going to various locations that should have been able to box this than and ship it out.  I'll box it myself and get it shipped in the next week. God, no wonder we're losing our place in the leadership of the world. Hope your day went better, Rick "The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein From: "anormal1@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2014 3:54 PM To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER   Sorry....Hoquat seems to have the most items avail.  Mike   In a message dated 12/6/2014 3:07:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hi Mike, I tried Hoquat...no dice. Thanks for the reply.  Guess I'll have to just wait and see if one comes up somewhere. Mark

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75561	From: rick flaherty	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: Re: WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER

Attachments : Bugs P-38[3]-75561.png To paraphrase you what a bunch of crap! I had to go to Palmcaster anyway to get some stuff from the polishing shop, but ended up going to various locations that should have been able to box this than and ship it out.  I'll box it myself and get it shipped in the next week. God, no wonder we're losing our place in the leadership of the world. Hope your day went better, Rick "The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein From: "anormal1@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2014 3:54 PM To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WANTED: SHS # 02067 OR #02068 GUNTHER'S BEER REEFER   Sorry....Hoquat seems to have the most items avail.  Mike   In a message dated 12/6/2014 3:07:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hi Mike, I tried Hoquat...no dice. Thanks for the reply.  Guess I'll have to just wait and see if one comes up somewhere. Mark

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75562	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: Re: 296 Loco from antique store

Hi Dale In the Greenberg’s Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Volume III Sets by Joe Deger on page 95 set 9692 296 engine with whistle 912 Koppers tank car 926 Gulf 3 dome tank car 916 D & H gondola car with 5 canisters load 930 Caboose accessories 710 electronic steam whistle controller made in 1956  this book although out dated for prices suggest complete set in box between 200.00 to 400.00 Bob Tuffs book The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer s Gauge Sets on page 96 list the following 296 912 926 924 916 930  710 whistle controller ( the difference appears to be weather there was a 924 or not ?? ) in addition the box number is B1N873  20x14.5x5.5  source for this information is Greenberg’s Price guide and William Bramlage hope this helps you thanks stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 1:36 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 296 Loco from antique store     Greenberg says it was a Sears set.   I would love to see if it was illustrated in any Sears catalogs, but maybe "uncataloged" also includes the Sears catalog.   I looked in a 1956 Wishbook and didn't see anything other than Lionel, Marx, and "Happy Time" and "Allstate" trains.   I will have to try for a 1955 catalog.  Maybe?  I know the Loco was 1955 and it would stand to reason that the set would be from that year too.  I trust the TM guide, so I think they are probably right on that one. Dale On 12/5/2014 6:07 PM, richs009@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Dale - nice find.  According to Bob Bubeck's 2012 version of the TM guide, this loco was uncatalogued and produced in 1955 (Doyle's book sez the same thing).  The TM guide says it was an uncataloged set (#9692) with a date of 1955, containing the 296 and 912, 926, 924, 916, and 930. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75563	From: mike gardner	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: Re: 717,919 body and door

I have had trouble replying and tried several times. I want to thank every one that answered and I did come up with a part number. Thanks Everyone Mike Gardner On Sunday, November 30, 2014 10:14 AM, "mike gardner tamerlane_46@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75564	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/7/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 08 December 2014

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75565	From: Howard Pape	Date: 12/9/2014
Subject: 324AC Tender

I recently purchased a tender for the 324AC. I'd like to know if the flat p/u shoes are dropped by gravity from the unit being upright. Or are they suppose to be spring loaded. I have a early325AC, with the same flat pick up shoes, and those have the springs inside. Is this normal for the 324AC? Thank you , Howard.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75566	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/9/2014
Subject: AC Gilbert Article

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75567	From: traindavid	Date: 12/10/2014
Subject: 324AC Tender

Howard, Yes, there are supposed to be springs lightly pushing the contacts to the rail. Unfortunately, the springs sometimes take the full electrical load (instead of the box around the contact) causing them to warm up and lose their tensile strength. You usually can wind a new spring into the box with the contact fully extended, avoiding putting the box-to-sideframe connection under stress, as this is also a weak link in the design, and difficult, if not impossible, to re-attach! Some things in Flyer need to be handled with "kid-gloves" and this is one of them! (you can also wind out the compressed remains of the old spring first--I'm pretty certain you will find it in there!) David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75568	From: sflyerguy	Date: 12/10/2014
Subject: Re: 324AC Tender

Thanks Dave!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75569	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/12/2014
Subject: Flyonel Blue comet set + 2pk

I am about to list this on Ebay, and thought I would see if anyone on the list was interested. Reply to robbe_wan@... if interested and make an offer. This is new in unopened box. Mark P.S. I have several newer and older flyonel sets and rolling stock, so if there is a request just let me know. I will be selling them all on Ebay in the coming months.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75570	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/13/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 15 December 2014

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75571	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/13/2014
Subject: Saw this on eBay

Looks like a lot of labor went into this. Lou Baldi WYE Switch New Design – American Flyer Style WYE Switch New Design – American Flyer Style US $79.99 in Toys & Hobbies, Model Railroads & Trains, S Scale View on www.ebay.com Preview by Yahoo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75572	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/13/2014
Subject: South-West Michigan

A man called me today asking what I knew about an S or AF club in or around Grand Rapids Michigan.  If I understood him correctly, he was in touch with such club but they have disappeared.  In my recollection there was a Mr Don Kiel or Keil associated with that club.   Anybody have contact info for them?   Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75573	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 15 December 2014

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75574	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: American Models SP Trainmaster A-A

I have the black widow scheme AM trainmaster set that I thought I would offer to this group prior to e-bay. They are AC hi-rail and have been test run only. AM has them for 499.95, but I will let these go for $420 shipped to the lower 48 via UPS ground. Make an offer if you think I am out of line. Mark Kiner email: robbe_wan@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75575	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: NKP GP-9 set 6-48017

Flyonel set $280.00 shipped to lower 48. I think they might have been test run but not by me. Might be slight track on wheels. I have had them approx 15yrs Make offer... Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75576	From: ecphora123	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: Re: Saw this on eBay

I saw this and was mystified as to how it was done. In particular the curvature of what would ordinarily be the tangent (straight stock rail) is configured so closely to the outside edge of the Bakeliite base, To accomplish this, I'm wondering if the maker didn't construct a completely new base, and then reassemble the switch components. It is also clear that the mechanism was that of the original switch.Having that function as normally also raises a few questions. This item as well as the various crossings of different angles really  intrigue me as I'm in the process of bashing some flyer switches with the goal of making them more realistic. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75577	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: Re: South-West Michigan

Greetings!  There is a S-Gauge club, The West Michigan S Gaugers,that is located in the Grand Rapids area.  Meetings are the second Thursday of the Month in, "Alaska" ....  I do not have that address but it is the current meeting and module work place.  The lower level of a daycare center.  Don Keil is the current President, Phone # is 616.304.5443.  E-Mail is <dlkeil@.... If this contact information doesn't work, please let me know and I will look further. Best wishes, Charlie in W MI   On Dec 13, 2014, at 11:17 PM, 'Tom Hawley' t.hawley@... [S-Trains] wrote:   A man called me today asking what I knew about an S or AF club in or around Grand Rapids Michigan.  If I understood him correctly, he was in touch with such club but they have disappeared.  In my recollection there was a Mr Don Kiel or Keil associated with that club.   Anybody have contact info for them?   Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75578	From: rick flaherty	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: Re: Saw this on eBay

Attachments : Bugs P-38[3]-75578.png I agree.  This has to be a new base. I like left and right turnouts, but might have to buy one of these.  Just for the exceptionality. Oh, Hi S & S.  I didn't forget you or Arden.  I'm just exhausted. Rick "The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." Albert Einstein From: "ecphora123@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:47 PM To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Saw this on eBay   I saw this and was mystified as to how it was done. In particular the curvature of what would ordinarily be the tangent (straight stock rail) is configured so closely to the outside edge of the Bakeliite base, To accomplish this, I'm wondering if the maker didn't construct a completely new base, and then reassemble the switch components. It is also clear that the mechanism was that of the original switch.Having that function as normally also raises a few questions. This item as well as the various crossings of different angles really  intrigue me as I'm in the process of bashing some flyer switches with the goal of making them more realistic. Gene Cimino

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75579	From: Eric	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: For sale list, Now december, lower prices, less stuff

For Sale  December 2014—#3  These are all like new but have been run basically for testing.  There are no marks or damage to any of them. I will double check any item sold and note anything to the buyer before shipping.  Not all have the original boxes and all packing,(I am still digging)  All have Kadee couplers and high rail wheels unless noted.  I do not have the alternative scale wheels and flyer compatible couplers for the cars,  Engines are as noted. I have a FEW scale wheels so may be able to trade out for a few cars. I have no knuckle couplers.   The previous owner Sold/Traded the scale wheels and knuckle couplers 1.  Lionel American Flyer U33C Northern Pacific Diesel  includes extra scale wheels!!.  Engine number 3309.   Lionel number 6-48161.  New price was $479. My price $325.  About 35% off. 7.  SHS  hopper cars 3 different BN cars  all green ( 424702 nobox,  42471 nobox, 424743 withbox), $40 each  (all 3 $110) 8.  SHS Refer car Marhoefer   72202  $50 12.  SHS stock car 53083 GN  $40 14.  SHS Refer car,  Swift Premium  7080 (from the set, no box, Silver  $55 16.  Flyer/Ace/SHS boxcar,  BN  Flyer boxcar shell 48304 with Ace base and SHS trucks and kadee style couplers.  $35 18.  SHS  (AM) Great Northern Café Parlor Car  Heavyweight  Passenger Highrail, Knuckles.  Very Rare  $125. 19.  Track Cleaning  car  BN Gray PS2 Hopper This car has rolling very fine stone wheel underneath. Like a rolling grinder, Just add oil and go.  Not powered. Not sure of manyfacturer.  $75. 20.  Northern Pacific silver Refer Car.  Lionel/Flyer body, Ace Floor, SHS trucks and couplers.  Kadee high rail.  $40 21.  2x S helper GN ore cars brown, 98297 and 89000.  With Loads.  $60 Pair. 22.  S Helper Green GN Boxcar  27003  $50 23.  S Helper Northern Pacific Caboose  10422 with box and scale wheel sets  $55 24.  2x trailer loads no wheels or frames.   All metal,  $25 pair.  These have been repainted and decaled.  25.  S Helper GN offset hopper with blue mountain load  73694  shs 01110?    $40. 26. S helper Refer  Track Cleaner car  GN WFE Refer 67304  This is a S and S conversion with the large rotating scotchbrite disk on the bottom. 1 kadee coupler and one knuckle. I can change out either if wanted.  $85. 28.  Downes  67978 Penn Salt Tank Car  high rail kadee  , original red box and foam  $45 29.  American flyer Post Office Boxcar LF # 6-48383   car # 8383  lnew in original box.  $45 30  S Helper  RSSVP  Brachs PS2 2 bay red hopper high rail kadees, no box.   $50 31.  S Helper 01652  Hopper car  #3  car # 103    with blue mt. coal load $60 I took pictures of all of this for ebay, just have not done it yet, I can send copies,  just ask. Totals to $1370.  Want it all?  $1250 and I will pay shipping!! Make me an offer.  Especially if you want a bunch of items! Shipping is extra,  All will be boxed well and insured.  I have not had a lost or broken package yet. > Eric Reis EricRhere@... > Kenmore Wa. 98028 > NASG since 86, TCA since 87,  Ebay since 99 (over 1050 positives) > > Paypal, Postal Money orders, Checks (held to clear) all work

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75580	From: mike gardner	Date: 12/14/2014
Subject: Re: Saw this on eBay

Check the January/February issue of S Gaugian  page 40 by B. Wallace for something very close to this. It was a one page instruction on hoe to build one very similar.     Mike Gardner On Sunday, December 14, 2014 9:59 PM, "ecphora123@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I saw this and was mystified as to how it was done. In particular the curvature of what would ordinarily be the tangent (straight stock rail) is configured so closely to the outside edge of the Bakeliite base, To accomplish this, I'm wondering if the maker didn't construct a completely new base, and then reassemble the switch components. It is also clear that the mechanism was that of the original switch.Having that function as normally also raises a few questions. This item as well as the various crossings of different angles really  intrigue me as I'm in the process of bashing some flyer switches with the goal of making them more realistic. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75581	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/15/2014
Subject: Re: Saw this on eBay

Gino,        If you open the link the seller describes how he made the switch. It's really a kit were you have to supply some of the ACG parts. Hope all is well with you, I would occasionally bump into you at Joey's Train on Mountain Rd years ago and at a few train shows. Since moving to West Virginia I rarely get to a train show. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75582	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/16/2014
Subject: For Sale: Lots of S Scale decals

I have received two boxes of S Scale decals in two different estates. Too many to count or list. Many road names for various kinds of rolling stock and engines. Send me a list of the decals you need and I'll see if I have them. I can't tell how old they are. I've been told that old decals sometimes don't adhere well, so here's the deal I'm offering: I'll send you what you need; if they work, send me some money; if the don't work, let me know but don't send any money. Fair enough? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75583	From: traindavid	Date: 12/16/2014
Subject: Re: Saw this on eBay--Wye switch ACG style

I posted a few questions to the seller. He's gone to quite a bit of trouble to make a mold to cast these bases, and the special frog. He uses salvaged ACG parts from other switches to finish it. There's a few things I would do differently, mostly in fastening the rail to the base and some reinforcements in the base to prevent warpage--but I'm not making them, he is & he has done a very nice job of it, IMHO. You will likely have to put some insulating pins in the outside rail to prevent short-circuits (this is one place where I'd make a change, and copy the late 5 tie base with the provision for s split insulated outside rail--but that does complicate the switch construction a bit too). Another interesting adaption would be a regular switch with the switch motor on the other side (straight rail side), so one could do a ladder yard--but that's a pretty specialized use, probably why ACG never produced them. This guy has also made some non 90 degree crossings too by molding new bases. Neat stuff! S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75584	From: Ted Walton	Date: 12/16/2014
Subject: AF #2 transformer problem?

I have an AM. Flyer # 2 transformer (75 watts) that has a fixed voltage output of 15V AC and a variable output of 7-15V AC and that is what I read with my voltmeter. If I connect one lead of the voltmeter to the common (base) post of the transformer and touch the metal case of the transformer I get a reading of a little over 11V AC (changing the variable rheostat makes no difference on the reading. Is this normal or is there some inappropriate contact some where inside the transformer? Thanks Ted Walton --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75585	From: R G	Date: 12/16/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?

There should be no electrical leakage to the metal shell. Probably some one had the transformer apart and upon reassembly one of the wires leading to the voltage posts came into contact with the case causing the voltage leak you noted. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:15 PM, "Ted Walton trwalton@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I have an AM. Flyer # 2 transformer (75 watts) that has a fixed voltage output of 15V AC and a variable output of 7-15V AC and that is what I read with my voltmeter. If I connect one lead of the voltmeter to the common (base) post of the transformer and touch the metal case of the transformer I get a reading of a little over 11V AC (changing the variable rheostat makes no difference on the reading. Is this normal or is there some inappropriate contact some where inside the transformer? Thanks Ted Walton --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75586	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/16/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?

You should get NO reading from the base to the case. Without seeing it, sounds like you have a bare wire touching the case.  Mike in Ore   In a message dated 12/16/2014 4:12:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I have an AM. Flyer # 2 transformer (75 watts) that has a fixed voltage output of 15V AC and a variable output of 7-15V AC and that is what I read with my voltmeter. If I connect one lead of the voltmeter to the common (base) post of the transformer and touch the metal case of the transformer I get a reading of a little over 11V AC (changing the variable rheostat makes no difference on the reading. Is this normal or is there some inappropriate contact some where inside the transformer? Thanks Ted Walton --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75587	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 12/17/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?

The #2 transformer is one of the models without a built in circuit breaker.  I would strongly recommend keeping it on a shelf and using a transformer that has one. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75588	From: Dave	Date: 12/17/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?

It is certainly common for old transformers to get leaky and put mains voltage on their frames. This can of course be pretty dangerous to live with. Perhaps the secondary winding is the one that is leaking, due to deterioration of the varnish on the wire of the windings. If you continue to use it, be aware of the danger.   You might also try grounding the xformer which would eliminate the danger. If you can measure the current flow from the case to the common, and it is very low, this approach could be a good solution. If you see much current however, it would soon cook the transformer. You might have little to lose at this point.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF #2 transformer problem?     You should get NO reading from the base to the case. Without seeing it, sounds like you have a bare wire touching the case.  Mike in Ore   In a message dated 12/16/2014 4:12:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I have an AM. Flyer # 2 transformer (75 watts) that has a fixed voltage output of 15V AC and a variable output of 7-15V AC and that is what I read with my voltmeter. If I connect one lead of the voltmeter to the common (base) post of the transformer and touch the metal case of the transformer I get a reading of a little over 11V AC (changing the variable rheostat makes no difference on the reading. Is this normal or is there some inappropriate contact some where inside the transformer? Thanks Ted Walton --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75589	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 12/17/2014
Subject: Scale lettering

Does anyone happen to know where I can obtain individual letters (not decals) in Roman style lettering made of either plastic or vinyl?.                                                                     Bob Lampe                                                                     Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75590	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 12/17/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?

As a retired firefighter i would only have one bit of advice to offer. My advice would be to retire that thing and only look at it from time to time. It can be extremely dangerous. I would get a new one from Lionel or one of the other companies who produce similar but safer ones.                                                        Bob Lampe                                                        Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75591	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/17/2014
Subject: Hey BUB, you need a house for your Dachshund

Attachments : IMG_1865.JPG IMG_1864.JPG I goofed with Peter V that if I offered a S Scale Dachshund for sale he would list it on the NASG website under new items. I have been very preoccupied with other things to even think about it much lately. Someone emailed me today waiting some so I got to thinking about a price  - but let’s try $15.00 gets you a S Scale dachshund and dog house including USPS to the lower 48 without tracking or insurance. They will still be on the supports but the PBL or similar sprue cutters work perfectly.   I am getting some help to tweak the dachshund file so it does not look like a very small blob when you cut it off the supports.   The material is gray, no other color choices. I will say PAINT them right away! Don’t wait!  They are a light sensitive material so you have to block the light from exposure.   Send your money now. Bill Lane 305 Dubois Ave West Deptford NJ 08096   I will make the order cutoff sometime in early January and then get to printing. I will hopefully have the better Dachshund file by then. If not you could get 2 dog houses if you want. But for now the sale is for 1 dachshund and 1 dog house. That is what you should expect.   I have more dogs on my layout now (6) then people (0). My real dachshunds don’t have an outside dog house.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing http://www.3dmodeltech.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75592	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Curse of Trainz"

Back "on topic" today at  STUMPY'S MACHINE on page one with a look at one of the things that is encroaching upon model railroading; the computer simulator.  I slowly have fallen into the clutches of one of these and it is a curse and an addiction because it is SO much easier than building models!  This is a cautionary tale. Stumpy Stone STUMPY'S MACHINE                                          LATEST STORY ON PAGE 1     About STUMPY'S MACHINE:  While my primary interests involve trains and cars, I am... View on stumpysmachine.weebly.com Preview by Yahoo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75593	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: Re: Scale lettering

Staples and Office Depot carry vinyl letters.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75594	From: scaler164	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Hey BUB, you need a house for your Dachshund [2 A

Does it come with FLEAS?  How about a collar... a leash.. and a mini-Bill Lane to walk it?   A Great Dane or an Irish Wolfhound would be a lot easier to see... but I acknowledge that neither will fit in that doghouse.     John Degnan Scaler164@... From: "'Bill Lane' bill@... [S-Scale]" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, "S Scale Model Railraoding" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com>, s-scale-progressive@yahoogroups.com, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:20:10 PM Subject: {S-Scale List} Hey BUB, you need a house for your Dachshund [2 Attachments]   [Attachment(s) from Bill Lane included below] I goofed with Peter V that if I offered a S Scale Dachshund for sale he would list it on the NASG website under new items. I have been very preoccupied with other things to even think about it much lately. Someone emailed me today waiting some so I got to thinking about a price  - but let’s try $15.00 gets you a S Scale dachshund and dog house including USPS to the lower 48 without tracking or insurance. They will still be on the supports but the PBL or similar sprue cutters work perfectly.   I am getting some help to tweak the dachshund file so it does not look like a very small blob when you cut it off the supports.   The material is gray, no other color choices. I will say PAINT them right away! Don’t wait!  They are a light sensitive material so you have to block the light from exposure.   Send your money now. Bill Lane 305 Dubois Ave West Deptford NJ 08096   I will make the order cutoff sometime in early January and then get to printing. I will hopefully have the better Dachshund file by then. If not you could get 2 dog houses if you want. But for now the sale is for 1 dachshund and 1 dog house. That is what you should expect.   I have more dogs on my layout now (6) then people (0). My real dachshunds don’t have an outside dog house.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design & 3D Printing http://www.3dmodeltech.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75595	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Curse of Trainz" & FNF

Interesting view but how about a slightly different one. I work with computers all day and the last thing I want to do at night when I get home or on the weekends is spend time looking at my monitors.  Many nights I don't even touch my computer when I get home unless I am expecting an important e-mail. To add a little FNF to this mail I am in the middle of packing up all my trains and workshop (plus the rest of the house) to move to our new and hopefully final home next week.  Then I will be limited to modeling for a while until we figure out where in the new house to put a layout.  That is OK though because I have accumulated so many kits to finish I'll be busy for a while and put the finished items in a display case (or 2 or 3). Fortunately we do have a great heated garage for my workshop in 1 stall but not sure yet about where to put a layout. Our Christmas present is the new house so Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to you all. Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 12/18/2014 8:23 AM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Back "on topic" today at  STUMPY'S MACHINE on page one with a look at one of the things that is encroaching upon model railroading; the computer simulator.  I slowly have fallen into the clutches of one of these and it is a curse and an addiction because it is SO much easier than building models!  This is a cautionary tale. Stumpy Stone STUMPY'S MACHINE                                          LATEST STORY ON PAGE 1     About STUMPY'S MACHINE:  While my primary interests involve trains and cars, I am... View on stumpysmachine.weebly.com Preview by Yahoo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75596	From: trndad	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: MTH Railroad Club Car

Attachments : MTH 35-75033 DM&IR MTHRRC-2014 Ore Car -A.JPG I got home last night and had a surprise Christmas gift in my mailbox.  It was the MTH Railroad Club Car.  It is a 35-75033 Duluth Missabe & Iron Range Ore Car.  Not sure if they are all the same but mine is car number  52931.  It is sort of a gold color and appears to commemorate the 50th anniversary of this line.  In any event it has "50th Anniversary" on it as well as the dates 1924 and 1974, and the words "Annual Meeting May 3 1974". I have tried to attach a photo.  I don't recall what MTH RRC membership costs, but I know it was less than the retail on MTH ore cars.  Pretty cool car if you ask me. Dean Hall

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75597	From: rm_hirailer	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: Re: Scale lettering

Bob, like Victor says, Staples and Office Depot sell vinyl lettering in several colors, from 1/4" on up. (Office Depot has free online shipping today only.) But just Google "vinyl letters," and you'll find a bunch of vendors. John Eichmann Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75598	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: For Sale: Accessories for Gilbert All Aboard Panels

I did a little research on the Internet to find out what these things are selling for and came up with the following. Don't treat them as firm, fixed prices; make offer. Pictures available on request. 2 All Aboard Barns with Silo in original plastic bag from Connecticutt Hobbycraft; TCA C-10 condition; $15.00 each 3 All Aboard Houses with attic in original plastic bag from Connecticutt Hobbycraft; TCA C-10 condition; $20.00 each 1 All Aboard House with attic (assembled & subtly glued); TCA C-7 condition; $12.00 1 All Aboard Single story white house with red roof, chimney, doors, & windows in original plastic bag from Connecticutt Hobbycraft; TCA C-10 condition; $15.00 1 All Aboard Single story white house with red roof and green chimney, doors, & windows in original plastic bag from Connecticutt Hobbycraft; TCA C-10 condition; $15.00 1 All Aboard Single story white house with green roof and red chimney, doors, & windows in original plastic bag from Connecticutt Hobbycraft; TCA C-10 condition; $15.00 1 All Aboard Single story white house with green roof, chimney, doors, & windows in original plastic bag from Connecticutt Hobbycraft; TCA C-10 condition; $15.00 12 All Aboard Street Lights; TCA C-9 condition; $0.75 each 12 All Aboard Crossing Signals; TCA C-9 condition; $0.75 each 2 All Aboard Billboards; TCA C-9 condition; $2.00 each 2 All Aboard Rail Fence Sections; TCA C-9 condition; $0.50 37 All Aboard Picket Fence Sections; TCA C-9 condition; $1.00 each 1 All Aboard Picket Fence Short Section; TCA C-9 condition; $1.00 each 12 All Aboard Telephone Poles; TCA C-9 condition; $0.75 each 3 All Aboard 1-3/4” Trees; TCA C-9 condition; $0.50 each 8 All Aboard 2-1/4” Trees; TCA C-9 condition; $0.65 each 13 All Aboard 2-3/4” Trees; TCA C-9 condition; $0.80 each Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75599	From: scaler164	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: WANTED : UN-Powered AM GG-1

I am looking for a UN-powered ("Dummy") American Models GG-1 in ANY paint scheme or UN-decorated.  If you have one that has had the entire drive train removed... that will be PERFECT.   AF couplers and wheels are TOTALLY acceptable, but scale wheels and Kadee couplers will also work.   I would like for the model to be in otherwise good shape... the shell not broken and/or missing all the detail parts.   This will be for my kids who love to push trains around the tracks with their hands instead of running them electrically with a power pack... which I can relate to since this is the way I started out in the hobby... HANDS-ON.   Please contact me offline and let's discuss a price.   Thanks.     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75600	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: 24125 painted Bethlehem gondola

E condition no box, original rail load and metal bkts Next stop eBay - make an offer Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75601	From: Ted Walton	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: Re: AF #2 transformer problem?

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions on the issues on my AF #2 transformer. (See below for original post.) When I get a chance I think I went to open the transformer up and see if the voltage leakage problem can be identified. It looks simple enough to open up but I have not been able to find a diagram of what it looks like inside ( any available ?) and things to keep track of as I pull it apart? I'll report back if I have any success. Ted Walton >In a message dated 12/16/2014 4:12:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Ted Walton writes: I have an AM. Flyer # 2 transformer (75 watts) that has a fixed voltage output of 15V AC and a variable output of 7-15V AC and that is what I read with my voltmeter. If I connect one lead of the voltmeter to the common (base) post of the transformer and touch the metal case of the transformer I get a reading of a little over 11V AC (changing the variable rheostat makes no difference on the reading. Is this normal or is there some inappropriate contact some where inside the transformer? Ted Walton< --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75602	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/18/2014
Subject: B&O passenger cars

I am looking for some advice and perhaps a buyer. I am considering splitting off the B&O passenger cars with two pack from the Flyonel Mikado set, and selling just the cars and keeping the Mikado. Is there anyone interested in the passenger car set. I know when they were first released there were people who just wanted the cars. Any opinions, or buyers? How about estimates of value of just the 4 cars with two pack added in? Mark robbe_wan@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75603	From: alhbaker	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: MTH Sectional Track vs S-Helper ?

Does anyone know, is the new MTH sectional track interchangeable with the S-Helper track? Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75604	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Sectional Track vs S-Helper ?

Yes, one and the same. I am running the old SHS wide radius with some new pieces of the MTH for my Christmas layout. Works fine. Roy -- Roy Inman Awarded Ingram’s Magazine “Kansas City’s Best Photographer of the year, 2013” Recent books: Photographer and author: Kansas City’s Union Station: Reflections After 100 Years Photographer And Author: The City of Fountains: Kansas City’s Legacy of Beauty and Motion Photographer: Last Bite: 100 Simple Recipes from Kansas City’s Best Chefs and Cooks Edited by Pete Dulin All books available at: www.thekansascitystore.com Station Master Store at Union Station Kansas City Rainy Day Books, Fairway KS Amazon Barnes & Noble online and retail stores 913-541-1759 land line 913-205-7143 cell www.kcfountainphotos.com www.royinmanphotos.net www.unionstationphotos.com www.unionstationkc.blogspot.com www.fireeatingpressphotographer.blogspot.com Facebook: Roy Inman Photographs From: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: 18 Dec 2014 23:16:15 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] MTH Sectional Track vs S-Helper ?            Does anyone know, is the new MTH sectional track interchangeable with the S-Helper track? Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75605	From: jhannawald	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Sectional Track vs S-Helper ?

Al,   It’s the same track.  They match perfectly   Jim   From: mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 2:16 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] MTH Sectional Track vs S-Helper ?     Does anyone know, is the new MTH sectional track interchangeable with the S-Helper track? Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75606	From: Roger Huber	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: New Member

Hi, Everyone. I'm the newest newbie here, I guess! I grew up with Flyer during the 1950's and 1960's and we had huge layouts. I love the stuff and have been lucky enough to keep a lot of it over the years. I retired last year and sold a lot of my HO scale & S scale brass to finance a decent Flyer layout for my two Grandsons. Even though I grew up with my Flyer trains I've forgotten a lot about maintaining them and working with them. Hopefully all you experts can point me to the right answers. Thanks for letting me join the group and I'm looking forward to "meeting" all of you! Roger Huber

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75607	From: alhbaker	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: MTH Sectional Track vs S-Helper ?

Thank you Jim and Roy. Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75608	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: New Member

Welcome Roger, Some of these guys know boatloads about maintenance and the history of Flyer stuff. You will be glad you came to the party. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 12/19/2014 10:54 AM, Roger Huber trainpainter@... [S-Trains] wrote: Hi, Everyone. I'm the newest newbie here, I guess! I grew up with Flyer during the 1950's and 1960's and we had huge layouts. I love the stuff and have been lucky enough to keep a lot of it over the years. I retired last year and sold a lot of my HO scale & S scale brass to finance a decent Flyer layout for my two Grandsons. Even though I grew up with my Flyer trains I've forgotten a lot about maintaining them and working with them. Hopefully all you experts can point me to the right answers. Thanks for letting me join the group and I'm looking forward to "meeting" all of you! Roger Huber

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75609	From: snstrains	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: New Member

Welcome, Roger. Lots of info to be found here.   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho   In a message dated 12/19/2014 9:07:49 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hi, Everyone. I'm the newest newbie here, I guess! I grew up with Flyer during the 1950's and 1960's and we had huge layouts. I love the stuff and have been lucky enough to keep a lot of it over the years. I retired last year and sold a lot of my HO scale & S scale brass to finance a decent Flyer layout for my two Grandsons. Even though I grew up with my Flyer trains I've forgotten a lot about maintaining them and working with them. Hopefully all you experts can point me to the right answers. Thanks for letting me join the group and I'm looking forward to "meeting" all of you! Roger Huber

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75610	From: racin510	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: Re: New Member

You are certainly welcome as are any and all questions. Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75611	From: imsscott	Date: 12/19/2014
Subject: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

Has anybody received this year's Lionel AF xmas boxcar? I ordered both of the new cars, but was only sent the gondola and not the boxcar. I don't know whether it was an error or if it is still to be shipped.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75612	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/20/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

Christmas boxcars have not yet shipped. Lionel currently states they will ship the week after Christmas, along with five road names of new ES44 engines.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75613	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 12/20/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

I ordered one but it has not arrived here either.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar     Has anybody received this year's Lionel AF xmas boxcar? I ordered both of the new cars, but was only sent the gondola and not the boxcar. I don't know whether it was an error or if it is still to be shipped.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75614	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/20/2014
Subject: Re: new member

Welcome Roger to the group, you will definitely find a wealth of knowledge here and many members very willing to answer your questions. Do not feel any of your questions are dumb, we have all come to learn from some pretty basic questions. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75615	From: James Lyle	Date: 12/20/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

Why would anyone expect otherwise ???? Merry  Christmas from Paradise, where trains run all day. Jim Lyle   Sent from my iPhone On Dec 20, 2014, at 8:06 AM, 'Doug Peck' doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Christmas boxcars have not yet shipped. Lionel currently states they will ship the week after Christmas, along with five road names of new ES44 engines.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75616	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/20/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 22 December 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 22 December 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75617	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

My understanding from the local hobby shop, which may be BS, said there was a  longshoreman strike on the west coast and containers were not being unloaded. He said they may be here already and waiting. I tend to believe Doug more! Chris Burger. Merry Happy Christmas Holidays to everyone.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75618	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

And perhaps they will re-name the Polar Express set as “Cupid’s Express” !!   <<< Why would anyone expect otherwise ???? > > Christmas boxcars have not yet shipped. Lionel currently states they will ship the week after Christmas, along with five road names of new ES44 engines. >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75619	From: lx5043	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

Hey Doug, do you know what ever happened to the Lionel/American Flyer RailSounds Boxcars that were to be released? There were two with steam sound and two with diesel sound listed in the 2014 catalog but I don't think they were ever released. Do you know if they ever will be and if so when? As an old American Flyer guy I believe this would be a really nice enhancement to my setup and was really looking forward to buying one or two of them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75620	From: James Lyle	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

Didn't that happen in the first year of Polar Express???  Movie debuted in Nov, main shipment of P E sets in Feb. LyingL isn't even a good marketing company.   Still haven't gotten the catalog I requested in 2010, or the expensive-worthless car repaired that failed after 8 hrs of use. Merry Christmas  Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:29 AM, 'Doug Peck' doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: And perhaps they will re-name the Polar Express set as “Cupid’s Express” !!   <<< Why would anyone expect otherwise ???? > > Christmas boxcars have not yet shipped. Lionel currently states they will ship the week after Christmas, along with five road names of new ES44 engines. >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@portlines. com www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75621	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: TMCC conversions (or not)

I have converted Flyonel PA, Baldwin switcher, and AM models F units as well as E units to TMCC. I was wondering in particular about the Flyonel units. I have all the original control boards and have been debating whether to convert them back to original prior to selling. They are much more enjoyable as TMCC, and have been very reliable, although I must admit I ran them all a little after conversion and then they went back in the boxes. (much more controlable) At any rate the question is? Convert them back to original, or leave them as TMCC? Which would be more marketable in the opinion of this group? (They are all going in ebay in the next 6 months.) Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75622	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

Ditto!! On 12/21/2014 9:41 AM, johnpalm@... [S-Trains] wrote:   Hey Doug, do you know what ever happened to the Lionel/American Flyer RailSounds Boxcars that were to be released? There were two with steam sound and two with diesel sound listed in the 2014 catalog but I don't think they were ever released. Do you know if they ever will be and if so when? As an old American Flyer guy I believe this would be a really nice enhancement to my setup and was really looking forward to buying one or two of them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75623	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

Doug, I think you're on to something... 😄 Tom Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:29 AM, 'Doug Peck' doug@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   And perhaps they will re-name the Polar Express set as “Cupid’s Express” !!   <<< Why would anyone expect otherwise ???? > > Christmas boxcars have not yet shipped. Lionel currently states they will ship the week after Christmas, along with five road names of new ES44 engines. >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75624	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

John, these are probably in the same production line as the infamous smoking caboose... 😄  Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2014, at 9:41 AM, johnpalm@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Hey Doug, do you know what ever happened to the Lionel/American Flyer RailSounds Boxcars that were to be released? There were two with steam sound and two with diesel sound listed in the 2014 catalog but I don't think they were ever released. Do you know if they ever will be and if so when? As an old American Flyer guy I believe this would be a really nice enhancement to my setup and was really looking forward to buying one or two of them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75625	From: David McBrayer	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

Chris and others; There is, indeed, a glut of incoming containers at the west coast ports. You'll get different reasons for it depending on whom you ask. Mostly, the International Longshore and Workers Union (ILWU) is working to the letter of the rules 'for their safety and to prevent damage to containers and equipment'. Some call this a slow down. Some say there is a shortage of suitable trailers at the ports. I won't get into the details here. All importing through the U.S. west coast ports are affected, not just Lionel and MTH. As hobbyists, we just have to bear with it until the RTR arrives. We could have friends over to add to our layouts with hand-made scenery, kit bashing or scratch building since many are indoors escaping the rain, ice and snow for the winter. Cheers, Dave ______________________ David McBrayer Castro Valley, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75626	From: lou342ac	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: B&O passenger cars

You'll have no problem selling the B&O passenger cars and getting a good price for them. A lot of B&O diesel engines out there that they go great with. The American Flyer Alco's, S-Helper F3's, American Models F7's, Alco FA's, and E8's. They compliment these engines beautifully. You may also consider holding on to them and picking up one of the engines above and make yourself a nice passenger set. Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75627	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC conversions (or not)

I thought I might supply some links to youtube videos just fyi   This is an AM E8 (it is an A-A) set, but I am just operating the one unit in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YdhgTHQrD_4   This is a lashup of an AM F7, Flyonel Alco, and AM E8.  These are all geared much differently and I was able to alter the speed gains to make them work reasonably well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8zgpLjgfoh0   I know everyone has seen TMCC stuff on Carl's site, but I don't know that the value prospect has been discussed when selling.   One of the things I was consider was putting my B&0 alco pa units on a can motor TMCC chassis and selling the ABA set with the Flyonel B&O passenger cars. This would create a unit that Lionel should have done themselves, plus it would be can-motor tmcc.   Any thoughts on this???   Mark From: "robbe_wan@..." <robbe_wan@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com" <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:50 AM Subject: TMCC conversions (or not) I have converted Flyonel PA, Baldwin switcher, and AM models F units as well as E units to TMCC. I was wondering in particular about the Flyonel units. I have all the original control boards and have been debating whether to convert them back to original prior to selling. They are much more enjoyable as TMCC, and have been very reliable, although I must admit I ran them all a little after conversion and then they went back in the boxes. (much more controlable) At any rate the question is? Convert them back to original, or leave them as TMCC? Which would be more marketable in the opinion of this group?  (They are all going in ebay in the next 6 months.) Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75628	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 22 December 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 22 December 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75629	From: Paul Krause	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC conversions (or not)

Mark.. in my humble opinion (mho); how they now  is an asset.  Leave them with TMCC.  Paul K. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From:"Mark Kiner robbe_wan@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date:Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM Subject:[S-Trains] Re: TMCC conversions (or not)   I thought I might supply some links to youtube videos just fyi   This is an AM E8 (it is an A-A) set, but I am just operating the one unit in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YdhgTHQrD_4   This is a lashup of an AM F7, Flyonel Alco, and AM E8.  These are all geared much differently and I was able to alter the speed gains to make them work reasonably well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8zgpLjgfoh0   I know everyone has seen TMCC stuff on Carl's site, but I don't know that the value prospect has been discussed when selling.   One of the things I was consider was putting my B&0 alco pa units on a can motor TMCC chassis and selling the ABA set with the Flyonel B&O passenger cars. This would create a unit that Lionel should have done themselves, plus it would be can-motor tmcc.   Any thoughts on this???   Mark From: "robbe_wan@..." <robbe_wan@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; "AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com" <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:50 AM Subject: TMCC conversions (or not) I have converted Flyonel PA, Baldwin switcher, and AM models F units as well as E units to TMCC. I was wondering in particular about the Flyonel units. I have all the original control boards and have been debating whether to convert them back to original prior to selling. They are much more enjoyable as TMCC, and have been very reliable, although I must admit I ran them all a little after conversion and then they went back in the boxes. (much more controlable) At any rate the question is? Convert them back to original, or leave them as TMCC? Which would be more marketable in the opinion of this group?  (They are all going in ebay in the next 6 months.) Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75630	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC conversions (or not)

Leave them TMCC.  And let us know when you put them up….   I can move one of my shells to your chassis easily to change roadnames, etc….    Ben Colley     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC conversions (or not)     I have converted Flyonel PA, Baldwin switcher, and AM models F units as well as E units to TMCC. I was wondering in particular about the Flyonel units. I have all the original control boards and have been debating whether to convert them back to original prior to selling. They are much more enjoyable as TMCC, and have been very reliable, although I must admit I ran them all a little after conversion and then they went back in the boxes. (much more controlable) At any rate the question is? Convert them back to original, or leave them as TMCC? Which would be more marketable in the opinion of this group? (They are all going in ebay in the next 6 months.) Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75631	From: James Lyle	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Keystone Div " Flying Flurries " Winter Train Meet

: Keystone Div " Flying Flurries " Winter Train Meet Keystone Div " Flying Flurries " Winter Train Meet will be Saturday Jan 3 at St Philips RC Church from 9 AM Til 1 PM.  St Philips is located in Millersville, PA.  Admission is $4.00, under 12 are FREE, lots of FREE Parking.  Great food available.  Door prizes.  Lots of trains of all ages and gauges available.  TCA members Contact Ron Morris.       rontrain@... for tables Merry Christmas from Keystone Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75632	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/21/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

I haven’t heard anything about these, so I don’t know. I’ll see what I can find out after the holidays. Merry Christmas to all !   << Hey Doug, do you know what ever happened to the Lionel/American Flyer RailSounds Boxcars that were to be released? There were two with steam sound and two with diesel sound listed in the 2014 catalog but I don't think they were ever released. Do you know if they ever will be and if so when? As an old American Flyer guy I believe this would be a really nice enhancement to my setup and was really looking forward to buying one or two of them. >>     Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75633	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: S Operations/Flyer Couplers

Is there someone among us who is successfully running train operations using flyer couplers?   I have been trying to do that, but using a hand-crafted tool to decouple S Helper cars and/or American Models cars is proving frustrating. Operations run no where near as smoothly as they do when I participate in sessions where the couplers are exclusively Kaydee.    Should I change my methods, or should I convert my couplers? This operator's mind would like to know.   Joe New Hampshire       .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75634	From: papertrw	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

Nice story. Too bad none of it is true. TRW

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75635	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: 2014 Lionel Christmas Boxcar

I didn't need to wait on Lionel to run an S Gauge Polar Express train this season. I made mine over a few years out of broken and discarded AF red Pullmans. Looks great- the price was right- and no waiting! I have an article written on how I did it for S Gaugian, but can't get the photos right. Merry Christmas everyone!! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75636	From: James Lyle	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers

PVMR is running four trains with capacity to run six on four tracks, all couplers are original Flyer style knuckles. We've had two separations in prox 70 hrs of operations.  Some of the couplers are " disabled " , most are not.  We do NOT switch, however, all forward running. Jim Lyle PVMR.org Trains In Paradise Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:05 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Is there someone among us who is successfully running train operations using flyer couplers?   I have been trying to do that, but using a hand-crafted tool to decouple S Helper cars and/or American Models cars is proving frustrating. Operations run no where near as smoothly as they do when I participate in sessions where the couplers are exclusively Kaydee.    Should I change my methods, or should I convert my couplers? This operator's mind would like to know.   Joe New Hampshire       .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75637	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers

As I read the original message, the problem is not that the cars uncouple when they shouldn't, but that it's hard to uncouple them when you want to. Is that correct? In my operations, I have had a problem with neither. In fact, I find them much easier to uncouple than the Kadee couplers. I get very frustrated operating on layouts where Kadees are used. Maybe it's just a matter of what you're most accustomed to using. I don't operate very often with Kadees. There was a thread of messages on the list not too long ago about different tools people use for uncoupling Gilbert knuckles. I think it was earlier in 2014, but may have been longer ago than that. Check the archives. I have found that a board from the sawmill works quite well. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:45 AM, "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   PVMR is running four trains with capacity to run six on four tracks, all couplers are original Flyer style knuckles. We've had two separations in prox 70 hrs of operations.  Some of the couplers are " disabled " , most are not.  We do NOT switch, however, all forward running. Jim Lyle PVMR.org Trains In Paradise Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:05 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Is there someone among us who is successfully running train operations using flyer couplers?   I have been trying to do that, but using a hand-crafted tool to decouple S Helper cars and/or American Models cars is proving frustrating. Operations run no where near as smoothly as they do when I participate in sessions where the couplers are exclusively Kaydee.    Should I change my methods, or should I convert my couplers? This operator's mind would like to know.   Joe New Hampshire       .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75638	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers

From: Alan Lambert Since I use S-Helper Track, I have the uncoupler track sections located where they need to be. for other uncoupling i use a piece of thin wood( pop cycle Stick)rested on the track under the uncoupler fingers and push down to uncoupleother cars.  Alan   From: "The Upstairs Train theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Operations/Flyer Couplers   As I read the original message, the problem is not that the cars uncouple when they shouldn't, but that it's hard to uncouple them when you want to. Is that correct? In my operations, I have had a problem with neither. In fact, I find them much easier to uncouple than the Kadee couplers. I get very frustrated operating on layouts where Kadees are used. Maybe it's just a matter of what you're most accustomed to using. I don't operate very often with Kadees. There was a thread of messages on the list not too long ago about different tools people use for uncoupling Gilbert knuckles. I think it was earlier in 2014, but may have been longer ago than that. Check the archives. I have found that a board from the sawmill works quite well. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:45 AM, "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   PVMR is running four trains with capacity to run six on four tracks, all couplers are original Flyer style knuckles. We've had two separations in prox 70 hrs of operations.  Some of the couplers are " disabled " , most are not.  We do NOT switch, however, all forward running. Jim Lyle PVMR.org Trains In Paradise Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:05 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Is there someone among us who is successfully running train operations using flyer couplers?   I have been trying to do that, but using a hand-crafted tool to decouple S Helper cars and/or American Models cars is proving frustrating. Operations run no where near as smoothly as they do when I participate in sessions where the couplers are exclusively Kaydee.    Should I change my methods, or should I convert my couplers? This operator's mind would like to know.   Joe New Hampshire       .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75639	From: doerryn	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Electronic "AIr Chime Whistle Generator" Emulator

Greetings folks, Not that the world really needs an all electronic version of the "Air Chime Whistle Generator." -- the original sounded pretty bad, but I did create an all electronic circuit to emulate it.  It sounds just as bad as the original, but the frequency is adjustable (like the 710). If you are interested, here is the circuit ... http://doerry.org/norbert/train/20141223-710-Whistle-Control-Emulator.pdf  My hope is that I will be able to create a multi-tone sound that will better emulate an air horn.   That's a future project.  The circuit also gave me opportunity to learn about controlling AC power with Power FETs.  That part worked really well. Have a great Holiday Season, Norbert Norbert Doerry Burke, VA Norbert's American Flyer Trains Norbert's American Flyer Trains Norbert's American Flyer Trains December 22, 2014 doerry@... 1. BACKGROUND I grew up with American Flyer trains. When I was born, my older... View on doerry.org Preview by Yahoo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75640	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: The Supply Car

I don't know if this posted already or not but if it did please pardon me for this copy. Does anyone know if the Supply Car is still in business or did he fold up?     Bob Lampe     Kalispell, MT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75641	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: The Supply Car

Does anyone know if The Supply Car is still in operation or did he fold up business?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75642	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC conversions (or not)

Mark, Great question.  I have been wondering the same thing as I have some trains to sell.  After awhile having them in boxes under the layout with no room on the layout or in display cases for more trains it gets to be time to move some on to new owners.  However, like you, I have converted some to TMCC and now wonder if more marketable that way or rendered back to their original configuration.  OTOH even if TMCC converted, they will operate in conventional as well as TMCC.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75643	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: The Supply Car

A while back Bob Hogan, who was working with The Supply Car, took over the passenger car products/items, and told me that The Supply Car was effectively shut down. At the time the web site was still up, but he told me that that was just a matter of time before it would be gone. I believe Bob is trying to start his own company. You may want to contact him for more info at: robert_hogan@... - Peter. (NASG webmaster) On 12/22/2014 4:47 pm, danceswithwolves49@... [S-Trains] wrote: > > > Does anyone know if The Supply Car is still in operation or did he fold > up business? > -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My hobby site: http://pmrr.org/ My business site: http://fourthray.com/ Our club site: http://houstonsgaugers.org/ NASG site: http://nasg.org/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75644	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers

Hello Al:   I do the same, but the results are irregular -- and frustrating. Thanks for the response.   Joe     In a message dated 12/22/2014 12:05:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   From: Alan Lambert Since I use S-Helper Track, I have the uncoupler track sections located where they need to be. for other uncoupling i use a piece of thin wood( pop cycle Stick)rested on the track under the uncoupler fingers and push down to uncoupleother cars.  Alan   </ div> From: "The Upstairs Train theupstairstrain@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Operations/Flyer Couplers   As I read the original message, the problem is not that the cars uncouple when they shouldn't, but that it's hard to uncouple them when you want to. Is that correct? In my operations, I have had a problem with neither. In fact, I find them much easier to uncouple than the Kadee couplers. I get very frustrated operating on layouts where Kadees are used. Maybe it's just a matter of what you're most accustomed to using. I don't operate very often with Kadees. There was a thread of messages on the list not too long ago about different tools people use for uncoupling Gilbert knuckles. I think it was earlier in 2014, but may have been longer ago than that. Check the archives. I have found that a board from the sawmill works quite well. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:45 AM, "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   PVMR is running four trains with capacity to run six on four tracks, all couplers are original Flyer style knuckles. We've had two separations in prox 70 hrs of operations.  Some of the couplers are " disabled " , most are not.  We do NOT switch, however, all forward running. Jim Lyle PVMR.org Trains In Paradise Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:05 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Is there someone among us who is successfully running train operations using flyer couplers?   I have been trying to do that, but using a hand-crafted tool to decouple S Helper cars and/or American Models cars is proving frustrating. Operations run no where near as smoothly as they do when I participate in sessions where the couplers are exclusively Kaydee.    Should I change my methods, or should I convert my couplers? This operator's mind would like to know.   Joe New Hampshire       .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75645	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers

Thanks, Jim. The flyer couplers stay well connected. It's my trying to get them to uncouple in a reasonably short period of time that is affecting satisfactory operations.   Merry Christmas!   Joe     In a message dated 12/22/2014 8:54:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   PVMR is running four trains with capacity to run six on four tracks, all couplers are original Flyer style knuckles. We've had two separations in prox 70 hrs of operations.  Some of the couplers are " disabled " , most are not.  We do NOT switch, however, all forward running. Jim Lyle PVMR.org Trains In Paradise Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:05 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Is there someone among us who is successfully running train operations using flyer couplers?   I have been trying to do that, but using a hand-crafted tool to decouple S Helper cars and/or American Models cars is proving frustrating. Operations run no where near as smoothly as they do when I participate in sessions where the couplers are exclusively Kaydee.    Should I change my methods, or should I convert my couplers? This operator's mind would like to know.   Joe New Hampshire       .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75646	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/22/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers

Hello Bob:   Thanks for the response. Yes, it is the uncoupling that has been my problem. Seems to take "forever" to get the knuckles to uncouple, versus the relative seconds using a twist of the Kaydees. Perhaps what I leaned primarily from your response is that you are getting this to work satisfactorily, so maybe the problem is me, and I should learn to be more adept.   Merry Christmas!   Joe     In a message dated 12/22/2014 10:56:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   As I read the original message, the problem is not that the cars uncouple when they shouldn't, but that it's hard to uncouple them when you want to. Is that correct? In my operations, I have had a problem with neither. In fact, I find them much easier to uncouple than the Kadee couplers. I get very frustrated operating on layouts where Kadees are used. Maybe it's just a matter of what you're most accustomed to using. I don't operate very often with Kadees. There was a thread of messages on the list not too long ago about different tools people use for uncoupling Gilbert knuckles. I think it was earlier in 2014, but may have been longer ago than that. Check the archives. I have found that a board from the sawmill works quite well. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:45 AM, "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   PVMR is running four trains with capacity to run six on four tracks, all couplers are original Flyer style knuckles. We've had two separations in prox 70 hrs of operations.  Some of the couplers are " disabled " , most are not.  We do NOT switch, however, all forward running. Jim Lyle PVMR.org Trains In Paradise Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:05 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Is there someone among us who is successfully running train operations using flyer couplers?   I have been trying to do that, but using a hand-crafted tool to decouple S Helper cars and/or American Models cars is proving frustrating. Operations run no where near as smoothly as they do when I participate in sessions where the couplers are exclusively Kaydee.    Should I change my methods, or should I convert my couplers? This operator's mind would like to know.   Joe New Hampshire       .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75647	From: snstrains	Date: 12/23/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers

Have you tried using an original Gilbert electronic uncoupler? Steve   In a message dated 12/22/2014 6:11:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hello Bob:   Thanks for the response. Yes, it is the uncoupling that has been my problem. Seems to take "forever" to get the knuckles to uncouple, versus the relative seconds using a twist of the Kaydees. Perhaps what I leaned primarily from your response is that you are getting this to work satisfactorily, so maybe the problem is me, and I should learn to be more adept.   Merry Christmas!   Joe     In a message dated 12/22/2014 10:56:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   As I read the original message, the problem is not that the cars uncouple when they shouldn't, but that it's hard to uncouple them when you want to. Is that correct? In my operations, I have had a problem with neither. In fact, I find them much easier to uncouple than the Kadee couplers. I get very frustrated operating on layouts where Kadees are used. Maybe it's just a matter of what you're most accustomed to using. I don't operate very often with Kadees. There was a thread of messages on the list not too long ago about different tools people use for uncoupling Gilbert knuckles. I think it was earlier in 2014, but may have been longer ago than that. Check the archives. I have found that a board from the sawmill works quite well. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:45 AM, "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   PVMR is running four trains with capacity to run six on four tracks, all couplers are original Flyer style knuckles. We've had two separations in prox 70 hrs of operations.  Some of the couplers are " disabled " , most are not.  We do NOT switch, however, all forward running. Jim Lyle PVMR.org Trains In Paradise Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:05 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Is there someone among us who is successfully running train operations using flyer couplers?   I have been trying to do that, but using a hand-crafted tool to decouple S Helper cars and/or American Models cars is proving frustrating. Operations run no where near as smoothly as they do when I participate in sessions where the couplers are exclusively Kaydee.    Should I change my methods, or should I convert my couplers? This operator's mind would like to know.   Joe New Hampshire       .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75648	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/23/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler problems

I use a mix of old American Flyer, American Models, S Helper,  Des Moines Hobbies, and Flyonel ( American Flyer made by Lionel) rolling stock, all using "Flyer compatible" trucks and couplers.   There are a LOT of differences in these that cause operational problems. The old American Flyer knuckles work well, mostly because they are well "broken in" and operate smoothly in uncoupling.  As noted by others, keeping them coupled is often a problem.  All the others I've used need some "break in" wear and lubrication to work without being "sticky" either open or closed.  Some brands of knuckle couplers are poorly shaped and made, and barely work with their own brand!  Some of this is said to be an attempt not to infringe on certain patents.    Sadly Flyonel is one of these.  Their trucks vary wildly in quality as well. If you use ALL American Models couplers, then some break in and lubrication should solve your problem.  It's those "Flyer compatible" brands which aren't actually compatible with each other that will take a lot more work to be reliable in operation when brands are mixed. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75649	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/23/2014
Subject: Re: TMCC conversions (or not)

This brings up a question. Should I remove the shells and sell the chassis separate? Mark On Dec 21, 2014, at 7:02 PM, "'Ben E. Colley' bencolley@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Leave them TMCC.  And let us know when you put them up….   I can move one of my shells to your chassis easily to change roadnames, etc….    Ben Colley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75650	From: alan smith	Date: 12/23/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler problems

Check out these comments and observations !!! Original Flyer couplers usually work as intended and rarely uncouple when operating a consist. --- However ---the problem with the Repro flyer knuckle coupler as I see it. The tip of J hook - when in the lock position rests on a portion of the coupler jaw that has a radius -- this radius is in a negative direction -- Or -- favors an angle that permits the J hook to slide up this slight angle until the release point is reached.  The J hook also has a radius on it's tip which makes the contact patch in the coupler jaw very small and prone to slide up to the unlock position. Plus the slot in coupler body is a very sloppy fit to the long tang of the J hook.  ALL this slop and poor contact to the coupler jaw causes us all headaches. IN MY humble opinion !  OLD AL in Southwest OH. On Dec 23, 2014, at 5:23 PM, mrstumpy@... [S-Trains] wrote:   I use a mix of old American Flyer, American Models, S Helper,  Des Moines Hobbies, and Flyonel ( American Flyer made by Lionel) rolling stock, all using "Flyer compatible" trucks and couplers.   There are a LOT of differences in these that cause operational problems. The old American Flyer knuckles work well, mostly because they are well "broken in" and operate smoothly in uncoupling.  As noted by others, keeping them coupled is often a problem.  All the others I've used need some "break in" wear and lubrication to work without being "sticky" either open or closed.  Some brands of knuckle couplers are poorly shaped and made, and barely work with their own brand!  Some of this is said to be an attempt not to infringe on certain patents.    Sadly Flyonel is one of these.  Their trucks vary wildly in quality as well. If you use ALL American Models couplers, then some break in and lubrication should solve your problem.  It's those "Flyer compatible" brands which aren't actually compatible with each other that will take a lot more work to be reliable in operation when brands are mixed. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75651	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler problems

Stumpy:   My problem exactly!   Joe     In a message dated 12/23/2014 7:38:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I use a mix of old American Flyer, American Models, S Helper,  Des Moines Hobbies, and Flyonel ( American Flyer made by Lionel) rolling stock, all using "Flyer compatible" trucks and couplers.   There are a LOT of differences in these that cause operational problems. The old American Flyer knuckles work well, mostly because they are well "broken in" and operate smoothly in uncoupling.  As noted by others, keeping them coupled is often a problem.  All the others I've used need some "break in" wear and lubrication to work without being "sticky" either open or closed.  Some brands of knuckle couplers are poorly shaped and made, and barely work with their own brand!  Some of this is said to be an attempt not to infringe on certain patents.    Sadly Flyonel is one of the se.  Their trucks vary wildly in quality as well. If you use ALL American Models couplers, then some break in and lubrication should solve your problem.  It's those "Flyer compatible" brands which aren't actually compatible with each other that will take a lot more work to be reliable in operation when brands are mixed. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75652	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: S Operations/Flyer Couplers

I use the S Helper remote couplers, which do work well. I have about two dozen of them. But, no matter how well thought I believed my uncoupler locations were placed, in operations there is often a desire to uncouple in a different spot than where the fixed location happens to be.   My best operations "times" have been on layouts with the Kaydees. With a little pointy stick I can uncouple anywhere and easily. Just hate the thought of spending another five dollars per car to convert about 250 cars and 8 engines. Was hoping there was an easier and less expensive way to replicate the smooth operations possibilities of the Kaydee system.   Joe     In a message dated 12/23/2014 8:15:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Have you tried using an original Gilbert electronic uncoupler? Steve   In a message dated 12/22/2014 6:11:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   Hello Bob:   Thanks for the response. Yes, it is the uncoupling that has been my problem. Seems to take "forever" to get the knuckles to uncouple, versus the relative seconds using a twist of the Kaydees. Perhaps what I leaned primarily from your response is that you are getting this to work satisfactorily, so maybe the problem is me, and I should learn to be more adept.   Merry Christmas!   Joe     In a message dated 12/22/2014 10:56:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   As I read the original message, the problem is not that the cars uncouple when they shouldn't, but that it's hard to uncouple them when you want to. Is that correct? In my operations, I have had a problem with neither. In fact, I find them much easier to uncouple than the Kadee couplers. I get very frustrated operating on layouts where Kadees are used. Maybe it's just a matter of what you're most accustomed to using. I don't operate very often with Kadees. There was a thread of messages on the list not too long ago about different tools people use for uncoupling Gilbert knuckles. I think it was earlier in 2014, but may have been longer ago than that. Check the archives. I have found that a board from the sawmill works quite well. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:45 AM, "James Lyle WJJIM@... [S-Trains]" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   PVMR is running four trains with capacity to run six on four tracks, all couplers are original Flyer style knuckles. We've had two separations in prox 70 hrs of operations.  Some of the couplers are " disabled " , most are not.  We do NOT switch, however, all forward running. Jim Lyle PVMR.org Trains In Paradise Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:05 AM, UNLV666@... [S-Trains] <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Is there someone among us who is successfully running train operations using flyer couplers?   I have been trying to do that, but using a hand-crafted tool to decouple S Helper cars and/or American Models cars is proving frustrating. Operations run no where near as smoothly as they do when I participate in sessions where the couplers are exclusively Kaydee.    Should I change my methods, or should I convert my couplers? This operator's mind would like to know.   Joe New Hampshire       .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75653	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler Problems

I have almost no experience with Kadees in S gauge as I do "Hi-rail." however I have worked with them in N, HO, HOn30, and On30 over the years.  I have mixed feelings about them in use. They look good and are "in scale."   But they are problematic in coupling and uncoupling because of the additional moves required and even the smallest irregularity in trackwork allows them to decouple BECAUSE they are "in scale" and so small.  Several of the On30 guys have "upgraded" to S scale Kadees, but from their reports, they still don't work as well as the oversized "toy train " knuckle couplers. One of the things I like about S gauge "Hi-rail" is that those goofy looking couplers and oversize wheel flanges make hours of train running a LOT more reliable in all conditions.  I can walk away from my "Flyer compatible" layout at train shows and not worry.  With my On30 (using HO track and wheels) I don't dare leave the layout while trains are running. But in the final analysis, it's apples and oranges;  toy trains HAVE to be almost bullet proof, while model trains have a totally different focus.  As I get older, I like to "play with my trains" sometimes. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75654	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler Problems

Thanks, Stumpy!   In a message dated 12/24/2014 9:01:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes:   I have almost no experience with Kadees in S gauge as I do "Hi-rail." however I have worked with them in N, HO, HOn30, and On30 over the years.  I have mixed feelings about them in use. They look good and are "in scale."   But they are problematic in coupling and uncoupling because of the additional moves required and even the smallest irregularity in trackwork allows them to decouple BECAUSE they are "in scale" and so small.  Several of the On30 guys have "upgraded" to S scale Kadees, but from their reports, they still don't work as well as the oversized "toy train " knuckle couplers. One of the things I like about S gauge "Hi-rail" is that those goofy looking couplers and oversize wheel flanges make hours of train running a LOT more reliable in all conditions.  I can walk away fr om my "Flyer compatible" layout at train shows and not worry.  With my On30 (using HO track and wheels) I don't dare leave the layout while trains are running. But in the final analysis, it's apples and oranges;  toy trains HAVE to be almost bullet proof, while model trains have a totally different focus.  As I get older, I like to "play with my trains" sometimes. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75655	From: traindavid	Date: 12/25/2014
Subject: Re: Coupler Problems

AF knuckle couplers made by ACG can be very reliable, if in good condition. However, they can be a pain in the *** if not adjusted correctly. Height above the rail is critical, as is being 'square' with the track. When closed, the lift weight MUST clear the rail top; the specs call for 1/16" but almost any clearance will do--a business card should slide under the weight without touching it. Now the usual "fix" is to bend the metal arm on the truck up to do this, but this isn't always the correct solution, as if the coupler body (looking from the side of the car) is not level with the track, the coupler can't operate properly. There is a bit of leeway in the design, but the closer to "perfect" alignment, the more reliable the operation. Sometimes the truck side (KC trucks here) are not square with the car and need to be twisted slightly to gain coupler height--but both sides have to be parallel--check this by sighting down the upside down car, and check the wheel axles, they should be parallel to each other. Now the truck side and the stamped metal joint is a bit 'fragile' so you do NOT want to stress it. I use a pair of needle nose pliers and clamp the top and bottom of the center of the side piece, so that I am holding the two together while I'm adjusting them--the purpose is to bend the sheet metal, but not right where it attaches to the truck side (this seems to be difficult to explain in words!). on passenger car trucks, and six wheel trucks, the coupler mounting arm has an offset in it, and sometimes you need to "undo" some of the offset to get the coupler height correct without having the coupler body pointing "up to the sky" The coupler also has to open & close easily. Sometimes you have to use a plastic-compatible tuner cleaner to get 'junk' buildup out of the coupler. If lubricant is needed, I prefer a dry lubricant, as moisture will attract dirt, etc. The coupler relies on a small spring to open it (unless you have an early Flyonel one, which had a plastic spring molded as part of the knuckle--these are quite prone to failure!), if the spring is broken, then you won't get knuckle opening--binding on the pivot pin can also keep the knuckle from easily opening. Unfortunately, a broken spring requires taking the coupler apart & I won't attempt to get into that in this posting, except to say with care, it can be done on the car! Now current Flyonel production couplers do not open wide enough to remotely couple/uncouple. I honestly don't know what their engineers were thinking when they re-designed the decades-old reliable design, but I cannot believe they did any "real life" testing of the results--if any of them read this--FIX THE DESIGN!!! If our toy trains were automobiles, there would be a mandated recall--also true of the die-cast couplers used for a few years--once the paint wears through, illuminated cars will have short circuits through the couplers (if your Floynel NP set gives you fits, check the couplers). The only reliable solution to either is to replace with a well-made repro ACG coupler. I haven't seen them in a while, but the early AM couplers used a plastic lift lever (it's not a weight in their design) that usually hangs too low, and catches on switches and crossings; theoretically the arm on it can be bent up a bit to fix this. Now all of the designs do rely on being coupled & uncoupled on a straight section of track, as there is too much built-in 'slop' in the trucks so they can navigate the tight AF curves to get the couplers to line up when on a curve. If you follow these limitations, you can operate them with Remote Control! Well, that should muddy the waters a lot! Merry Christmas!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75656	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 12/25/2014
Subject: Merry Christmas

Attachments : 10404400_773990492693644_1641642173838251140_n.jpg 10308297_773991042693589_7640735691309947364_n.jpg I wish all a very Merry Christmas. Share the day with family and/or friends. Tis the season to be jolly. Enjoy running your trains under the Christmas tree or your layouts, temporary or permanent, if you can. I have the layout up but yet to connect transformers to it. No engine dug out but some rolling stock is displayed on it. Some accessories are wired in already, just need the power for them. Transformers are sitting and waiting for me to connect. My season as the man in the Red Suit has come to a close. Attached are two pictures from last Saturday nights event. I think i can speak for the moderators where we all wish you a Merry Christmas Again, to all and to all "A very Merry Christmas, Goodnight. Santa Ed Eckert and Mrs.Claus

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 75657	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/27/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 29 December 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 29 December 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75658	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/28/2014
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, Monday, 29 December 2014

Attachments : "SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT" reminder When Monday, 29 December 2014 01:00 AM to 07:30 AM (GMT) Greenwich Mean Time - Dublin / Edinburgh / Lisbon / London Where http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM **Web Address: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ ** From S-Trains   Calendar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75659	From: auxpd275	Date: 12/31/2014
Subject: S-Helper Service Inc

Could some one direct me to how to remove the plastic side frame on a SW-9 switcher it is not very informative. Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 75660	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 12/31/2014
Subject: Blue comet set and 2-pk

Both are sold. Thx Mark