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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71141	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Re: NICROME WIRE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71142	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Re: Help with SHS F-3 A unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71143	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Re: NICROME WIRE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71144	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Reminder: The Gilbert Gallery has moved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71145	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Re: FIRE !! A Safety Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71146	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Flyer 1950 Farm Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71147	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer 1950 Farm Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71148	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Genuine AF A.C.Gilbert boxes available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71149	From: Eric	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Some S trains for sale (mostly SHS and AM)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71150	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Blatant Sale ad..... TOY TRAINS 1951 - 54
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71151	From: Brady	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Signal Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71152	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/2/2013
Subject: Re: Reminder: The Gilbert Gallery has moved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71153	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2013
Subject: Re: Reminder: The Gilbert Gallery has moved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71154	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2013
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 48T Royal Blue Freight Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71155	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 1/4/2013
Subject: AF Metal Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71156	From: Rich	Date: 1/4/2013
Subject: Re: AF Metal Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71157	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/4/2013
Subject: Re: AF Metal Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71158	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 1/4/2013
Subject: Re: AF Metal Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71159	From: David	Date: 1/4/2013
Subject: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71160	From: Rich	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71161	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71162	From: Rich	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71163	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71164	From: David	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Caboose Lighting Kit (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71165	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/6/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71166	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/6/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/6/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71167	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 1/6/2013
Subject: ROtating beacon tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71168	From: David	Date: 1/6/2013
Subject: AF Caboose Illuminated Lanterns Kit (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71169	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Wanted: stripped 343 0-8-0 chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71170	From: David	Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Rich - The RED MARKER light kit is here ;o)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71171	From: hankskid@verizon.net	Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Wanted: Scenery Unlimited Circus Pups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71172	From: Roger Young	Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Wanted: Scenery Unlimited Circus Pups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71173	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: SHS single trailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71174	From: hankskid@verizon.net	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Wanted: Scenery Unlimited Circus Pups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71175	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Fwd: SHS single trailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71176	From: Ben	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71177	From: Ben	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: BB for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71178	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71179	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotives on your roster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71180	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: SHS single trailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71181	From: marks3891	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotives on your roster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71182	From: Jerry	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71183	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71184	From: Rich	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71185	From: Bob	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Additional Classic American Flyer on Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71186	From: David	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: AF #312 ILLUMINATED Marker Lanterns (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71187	From: Bill McCormick	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: AF 377 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71188	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite Locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71189	From: lionely6b	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotives on your roster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71190	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71191	From: Timboy	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71192	From: rick gough	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71193	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71194	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71195	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Congrats (Off Subject)...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71196	From: David	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: AF Caboose, Interior Lighting Kit (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71197	From: Alan Smith	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: The best or favorites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71198	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Congrats (Off Subject)...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71199	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Congrats (Off Subject)...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71200	From: Raymond	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: American flyer Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71201	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: American flyer Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71202	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: American flyer Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71203	From: traindavid	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71204	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Operations article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71205	From: Don 'Mac'	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71206	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71207	From: R G	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71208	From: snstrains	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71209	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71210	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Anormal1 Smoke Fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71211	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71212	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: For Sale: Two satin finish American Flyer 655 Silver Bullet Coach Ca
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71213	From: Frank	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] For Sale: American Models RS3014 Rock Island A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71214	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: For Sale: American Models RS3014 Rock Island Alco RS3 Diesel #474
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71215	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/13/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71216	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71217	From: traindavid	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Making Suggestions to Lionel on future S stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71218	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/13/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71219	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck. Is still out there, just on vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71220	From: phil_dunlop2002	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Alco 6-251 sound project, DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71221	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71222	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71223	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: 625 BLACK 46 WANTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71224	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 1/14/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71225	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 1/14/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71226	From: Don 'Mac'	Date: 1/14/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71227	From: Brady	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Atlas #57 Deluxe Switch Control Box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71228	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: LIONEL TRACK CONNECTORS FREE (ALMOST)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71229	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71230	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71231	From: Ben	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71232	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71233	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Bob Hannon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71234	From: calleytwo	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71235	From: traindavid	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: crazy price for Alco Horns on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71236	From: traindavid	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Couple more crazy parts prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71237	From: Dave	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Lighting Kit up date ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71238	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: Couple more crazy parts prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71239	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: yahoo delays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71240	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism....Don's brass
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71241	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: Bob Hannon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71242	From: Frank	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: crazy price for Alco Horns on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71243	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: crazy price for Alco Horns on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71244	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: crazy price for Alco Horns on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71245	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: Couple more crazy parts prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71246	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71247	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: Bob Hannon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71248	From: Ben Perry	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71249	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: Bob Hannon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71250	From: Timboy	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71251	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: rewinding armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71252	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71253	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Pre War Hardware Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71254	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71255	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71256	From: Donald Keil	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71257	From: preardon4	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: Pre War Hardware Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71258	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71259	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: Pre War Hardware Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71260	From: snstrains	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71261	From: Rich	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Reading Atlantic prototypes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71262	From: Rich	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: trailing truck mechanics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71263	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Trailing Truck Mechanics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71264	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: Pre War Hardware Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71265	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: trailing truck mechanics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71266	From: Ben	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Request...Protoype circus set photso from Flyer Nut meeting a few ye
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71267	From: Herbert	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Pre War Hardware Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71268	From: rick gough	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: crazy price for Alco Horns on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71269	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71270	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71271	From: vito4cal	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Annoucement: S West 8 - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71272	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Pre War Hardware Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71273	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: trailing truck mechanics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71274	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71275	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Amherst Railway Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71276	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: SHS repair business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71277	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71278	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: SHS repair business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71279	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Reading Atlantic prototypes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71280	From: wjjim2001	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Reading Atlantic prototypes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71281	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/19/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/20/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71282	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/19/2013
Subject: New S Products From Tichy Train Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71283	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/20/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71284	From: Jerry	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: New S Products From Tichy Train Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71285	From: Rich	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: arduino's and flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71286	From: johntech	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71287	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: EXPANDING PRODUCT LINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71288	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: EXPANDING PRODUCT LINE PS:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71289	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: DOUG PECK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71290	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: DOUG PECK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71291	From: lgv57	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71292	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: DOUG PECK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71293	From: Rich	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71294	From: elmot49	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: 314AW whistle not working????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71295	From: Lon Walker	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71296	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71297	From: tomminil	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71298	From: Herbert	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71299	From: KEITH TAYLOR	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71300	From: stephen.terni	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Wiring for AC and DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71301	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Long Beach/South Bay Layouts Needed For Tour (So. Calif.)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71302	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: AC DC wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71303	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71304	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71305	From: dtrains@ymail.com	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: AC/DC operation of AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71306	From: Rich	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71307	From: Keith Taylor	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71308	From: rhicks308	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Re: Wiring for AC and DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71309	From: stephen.terni	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Wiring for AC and DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71310	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71311	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: 20 inch radius s-helper track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71312	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71313	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: BLACK 625 SHELL WANTED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71314	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Web site -American Flyer Lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71315	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/23/2013
Subject: Need S-Helper NW2 parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71316	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/23/2013
Subject: Re: Web site -American Flyer Lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71317	From: David	Date: 1/23/2013
Subject: NEW Combo Head Light / Tender Light (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71318	From: David	Date: 1/23/2013
Subject: NEW Combo Head Light / Tender Light, up date (Ad)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71319	From: wjjim2001	Date: 1/24/2013
Subject: Amhearst Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71320	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/25/2013
Subject: Re: Amhearst Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71321	From: Ben	Date: 1/25/2013
Subject: smoke unit bottom cover plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71322	From: snstrains	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: smoke unit bottom cover plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71323	From: Dr Trains	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: smoke unit bottom cover plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71324	From: dtrains@ymail.com	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: looking for various stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71325	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: smoke unit bottom cover plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71326	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Smoke unit bottom cover plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71327	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71328	From: Ben	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: smoke unit bottom cover plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71329	From: Ben	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: Smoke unit bottom cover plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71330	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Train related attractions in Orlando
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71331	From: David	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING Update (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71332	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71333	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71334	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Portlines Hobbies - Excellent as Usual
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71335	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71336	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: Portlines Hobbies - Excellent as Usual
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71337	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/27/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71338	From: Ben	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71339	From: tennsgauger	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71340	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: smoke unit bottom cover plate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71341	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71342	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71343	From: Timboy	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71344	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71345	From: Timboy	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71346	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71347	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71348	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71349	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/27/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71350	From: Alan Smith	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71351	From: tbennerohio	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71352	From: David	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Operating TRI-COLOR Caboose Markers Update (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71353	From: Timboy	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71354	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71355	From: tennsgauger	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71356	From: tbennerohio	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71357	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71358	From: snstrains	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: DC and smoke easy solution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71359	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: Amhearst Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71360	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Post on S Scale list about the Lionel Y3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71361	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Amherst Railway Society show casualty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71362	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Can motors and smoke units.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71363	From: daleminard	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71364	From: Lou Templeton	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Y-3 Grinding sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71365	From: Timboy	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: My Tribute To The Sibley Department Store Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71366	From: bigswede073	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71367	From: bigswede073	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71368	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71369	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71370	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71371	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71372	From: Alan Smith	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71373	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71374	From: Frank	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71375	From: Frank	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71376	From: Frank	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71377	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: motorcycles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71378	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71379	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71380	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Sad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71381	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Sad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71382	From: race944t	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Sad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71383	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Sad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71384	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Amherst Railway Society show casualty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71385	From: Frank	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71386	From: Frank	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71387	From: Al	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: 1952 DUMP TRUCK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71388	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: HACKING ON THE RISE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71389	From: Louis	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71390	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: HACKING ON THE RISE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71391	From: Rich	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71392	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71393	From: Brady	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Inkjet Roads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71394	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71395	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: HACKING ON THE RISE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71396	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71397	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71398	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: My spam message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71399	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71400	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71401	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71402	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71403	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71404	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71405	From: grchud	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71406	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71407	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71408	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71409	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71410	From: Rich	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: apologies to all and to MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71411	From: kensington3121	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71412	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71413	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71414	From: Herbert	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71415	From: Dr Trains	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71416	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71417	From: Donald Keil	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71418	From: dtrains@ymail.com	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: AM switches???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71419	From: Frank	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71420	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71421	From: R G	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: AM switches???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71422	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: AM switches???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71423	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71424	From: Roy	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: PWRR website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71425	From: harrisfamily436	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5950
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71426	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71427	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71428	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71429	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71430	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71431	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71432	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71433	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71434	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71435	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71436	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71437	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Guide to Industries Series: Livestock & Meatpacking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71438	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/3/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71439	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71440	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71441	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Rocket Alco engines and 3 cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71442	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: 322 AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71443	From: Peter	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Any Ideas on Removing Paint Overspray from Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71444	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71445	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: 322 AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71446	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: 322 AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71447	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71448	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: Any Ideas on Removing Paint Overspray from Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71449	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/3/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71450	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71451	From: rick gough	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71452	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71453	From: Jerry	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71454	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Seeking Stumpy Stone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71455	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: Sad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71456	From: doerryn	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71457	From: Timboy	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71458	From: Timboy	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71459	From: Timboy	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71460	From: Al	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: Any Ideas on Removing Paint Overspray from Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71461	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Makin' Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71462	From: David	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: NEW Scenery Products Arriving Mid February (Advertising)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71463	From: rhicks308	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71464	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71465	From: Timboy	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Makin' Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71466	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Makin' Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71467	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Fwd: [ChattanoogaRails] Fwd: [NSInfo] 21st Century Steam excursion t
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71468	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Makin' Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71469	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71470	From: canambob91710k	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Petty infighting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71471	From: doerryn	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71472	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71473	From: Louis	Date: 2/5/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71474	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/5/2013
Subject: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71475	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/5/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71476	From: preardon4	Date: 2/5/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71477	From: markaflyer	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71478	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71479	From: Timboy	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71480	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71481	From: David	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: BRUMMY'S Landscape Products Update (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71482	From: markaflyer	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71483	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71484	From: Paul	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71485	From: rhicks308	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71486	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71487	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71488	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71489	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71490	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71491	From: doerryn	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71492	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71493	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: "Project Atlantic" continues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71494	From: Timboy	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" continues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71495	From: Frank	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Some nice deals in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71496	From: R G	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71497	From: David	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: BRUMMY'S Landscape Products NEW Update (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71498	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71499	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: Some nice deals in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71500	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71501	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71502	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: Some nice deals in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71503	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71504	From: jeff silvera	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71505	From: David	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: BALLAST Added To Web Site ( Advertisement )
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71506	From: David	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Pre-wired micro LED's (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71507	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71508	From: William J Gill	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71509	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71510	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71511	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" continues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71512	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: AF Item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71513	From: pete.henningsen	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71514	From: Louis	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Flat Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71515	From: Louis	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Flat Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71516	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71517	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: Flat Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71518	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71519	From: racin510	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71520	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71521	From: Carey Probst	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71522	From: pete.henningsen	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71523	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71524	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: MRH & MR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71525	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" continues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71526	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71527	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71528	From: mleahy68	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: A.F. items to trade or sell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71529	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71530	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: MRH & MR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71531	From: Timboy	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71532	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71533	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71534	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: 24579
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71535	From: Herbert	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71536	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: 1946 coal dump
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71537	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71538	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: 24579
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71539	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71540	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: 24579
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71541	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71542	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: MRH & MR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71543	From: Herbert	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71544	From: lionely6b	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: 26426
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71545	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: FW: COSG Layout Setup and Work session
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71546	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: 26426
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71547	From: lionely6b	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: More on 26426 - the contents.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71548	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: FW: COSG Layout Setup and Work session
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71549	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: More on 26426 - the contents.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71550	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: More on 26426 - the contents.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71551	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/12/2013
Subject: TMCC cab 1 Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71552	From: Steven Allen	Date: 2/12/2013
Subject: Re: FW: COSG Layout Setup and Work session
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71553	From: David	Date: 2/12/2013
Subject: Illuminated AF Marker Lanterns RED & GREEN (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71554	From: John	Date: 2/12/2013
Subject: GP-20 Shell removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71555	From: Robert	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Flyer layout bus bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71556	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: GP-20 Shell removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71557	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer layout bus bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71558	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: GP-20 Shell removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71559	From: Steve Schwartz	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71560	From: Bill Clark	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: American Flyer Y-3 2-8-8-2 running on DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71561	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: GP-20 Shell removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71562	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer layout bus bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71563	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Big Boy shorting issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71564	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: Big Boy shorting issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71565	From: carl4flyer	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Big Boy shorting issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71566	From: David	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Caboose Marker Light Installation (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71567	From: Robert	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer layout bus bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71568	From: Rich	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer layout bus bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71569	From: Bill Clark	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Tommy Robichaud's Layout (was Y-3 on DCC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71570	From: Timboy	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Gilberton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71571	From: scubadoo2	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71572	From: Timboy	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71573	From: racin510	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71574	From: Robert	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer layout bus bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71575	From: a4s8b7	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Left over S Scale train track, transformer, switch track and caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71576	From: Dale Reynolds	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Tommy Robichaud's Layout (was Y-3 on DCC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71577	From: Timboy	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71578	From: Gregg	Date: 2/16/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71579	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/16/2013
Subject: Fwd: Smoke fluid NEW NON TOXIC TESTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71580	From: Timboy	Date: 2/16/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71581	From: Timboy	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Flyer on Facebook
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71582	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Gilberton Heliport
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71583	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/17/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71584	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: what is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71585	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: what is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71586	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Fwd: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71587	From: Lon Walker	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: what is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71588	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: what is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71589	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71590	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71591	From: Brady	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: Inkjet Roads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71592	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: Inkjet Roads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71593	From: David	Date: 2/18/2013
Subject: NEW Pre-1966 AF ATLANTIC Engine Green Markers (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71594	From: David	Date: 2/18/2013
Subject: AF Atlantic Boiler Lanterns Photos (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71595	From: snstrains	Date: 2/19/2013
Subject: SnS standard can motors available again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71596	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/20/2013
Subject: S Scale modular yard for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71597	From: nightshift.geo	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: Custom vehicles/ Structure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71598	From: trobicha	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: Lemax Halloween train converted with a High Rail Black Beetle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71599	From: wjjim2001	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: 20 Mule Team Borax, Death Valley Scottie & Ronnie Reagan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71600	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: A.F. 21004 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71601	From: G. Elems	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: American Models Transformer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71602	From: Jerry	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71603	From: Greg	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71604	From: Jerry	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71605	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: S Scale yard has been sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71606	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Mini Toys item on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71607	From: G. Elems	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71608	From: dphobbies	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Commercial: DPH Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71609	From: Brady	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71610	From: Dr Trains	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Re: Commercial: DPH Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71611	From: racin510	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Challenger Overhang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71612	From: Timboy	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Third Loop On My "Sibley" Completed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71613	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: Lemax Halloween train converted with a High Rail Black Beetle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71614	From: Jerry	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71615	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: ONLY THING MISSING IS THE BOILER FRONT??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71616	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: MagnaLock Coupler Hoses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71617	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Which road most influenced Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71618	From: tennsgauger	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: MagnaLock Coupler Hoses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71619	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: Third Loop On My "Sibley" Completed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71620	From: R G	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71621	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71622	From: John Metzger	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71623	From: Timboy	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Third Loop On My "Sibley" Completed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71624	From: Steven Allen	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71625	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71626	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/24/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71627	From: Frank	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71628	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Scratch Built Trestle Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71629	From: Rich	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71630	From: Scott	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Grinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71631	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71632	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Grinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71633	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Grinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71634	From: traindavid	Date: 2/25/2013
Subject: Re: Grinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71635	From: papa3145	Date: 2/25/2013
Subject: Re: Challenger Overhang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71636	From: papa3145	Date: 2/25/2013
Subject: Re: Challenger Overhang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71637	From: wjjim2001	Date: 2/25/2013
Subject: Keystone Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71638	From: Herbert	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71639	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: TCA rant
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71640	From: none	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71641	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: TCA rant
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71642	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: TCA rant
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71643	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: TCA rant
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71644	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: TCA rant
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71645	From: Timboy	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: While You Weren't Looking...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71646	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71647	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71648	From: rzuerlein2001	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71649	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re;TCA rant
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71650	From: DennisC	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71651	From: jfred436	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: TCA rant
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71652	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71653	From: Dr Trains	Date: 2/27/2013
Subject: MTH interests
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71654	From: Michael Rector	Date: 2/27/2013
Subject: Re: While You Weren't Looking...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71655	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 2/27/2013
Subject: DC can motors available again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71656	From: Jay	Date: 2/27/2013
Subject: Christmas Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71657	From: Jamie Bothwell	Date: 2/28/2013
Subject: Scranton Convention Now Open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71658	From: James	Date: 2/28/2013
Subject: arduino to atiny
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71659	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/1/2013
Subject: Re: Scranton Convention Now Open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71660	From: Timboy	Date: 3/2/2013
Subject: The Trains On The Tracks Go 'Round & 'Round; 'Round & 'Round...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71662	From: traindavid	Date: 3/2/2013
Subject: They're still out there!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71663	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/2/2013
Subject: Re: SMOKER WIRE - WHAT IS IT?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71664	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/2/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/3/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71665	From: c100495	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: Re: They're still out there!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71666	From: MikeS	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: Re: The Trains On The Tracks Go 'Round & 'Round; 'Round & 'Round...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71667	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: They're still out there
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71668	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: Re: SMOKER WIRE - WHAT IS IT?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71669	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/3/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71670	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: Flyonel UP 800 Troubleshooting Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71671	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71672	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71673	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: Lionel LionChief Remote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71674	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: wgh san mateo revisted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71675	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: Pond Under Construction - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71676	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: Keystone Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71677	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office quest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71678	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: Re: NEW NON TOXIC UNSCENTED SMOKE FLUID VIDEO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71679	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/5/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71680	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/5/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71681	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/5/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel LionChief Remote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71682	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/5/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71683	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/5/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71684	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71685	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71686	From: nightshift.geo	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: S Scale aged-weathered-tarped vehicles, E Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71687	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: S Scale aged-weathered-tarped vehicles, E Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71688	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: "Project Atlantic" concludes this month!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71689	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71690	From: Jamie Bothwell	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: More 2013 Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71691	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71692	From: Timboy	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" concludes this month!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71693	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: SSL&S converted-to-scale USRA 2-8-8-2 video clip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71694	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/7/2013
Subject: Project Atlantic" concludes this month
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71695	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/7/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Project Atlantic"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71696	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/7/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71697	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71698	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71699	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71700	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: 343 0-8-0 cogging -- SOLVED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71701	From: Brady	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Website - The Reading Modeler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71702	From: racin510	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71703	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Re: SSL&S converted-to-scale USRA 2-8-8-2 video clip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71704	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71705	From: Timboy	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71706	From: Dr Trains	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71707	From: Jerry	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71708	From: tbennerohio	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Electronic reverse unit in SIT K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71709	From: racin510	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71710	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/10/2013, 4:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71711	From: Jerry	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Electronic reverse unit in SIT K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71712	From: Jerry	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Electronic reverse unit in SIT K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71713	From: snstrains	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Electronic reverse unit in SIT K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71714	From: traindavid	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Those Excellent except. . . cars find a new home.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71715	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/10/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71716	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71717	From: tbennerohio	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Re: Electronic reverse unit in SIT K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71718	From: racin510	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Re: Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71719	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Re: Those Excellent except. . . cars find a new home.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71720	From: tbennerohio	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Wobbly wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71721	From: racin510	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Re: Wobbly wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71722	From: ron190sl	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: TCA Auction April
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71723	From: R G	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wobbly wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71724	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71725	From: R G	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71726	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wobbly wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71727	From: R G	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wobbly wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71728	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Wooten Firebox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71729	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71730	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71731	From: Steve Schwartz	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten Firebox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71732	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten firebox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71733	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten Firebox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71734	From: rep928	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Flyonel Docksider issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71735	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten firebox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71736	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten Firebox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71737	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten Firebox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71738	From: Rich	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Wootten Firebox explained?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71739	From: Robert E. Wilson	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Two Train Operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71740	From: tbennerohio	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Fine looking K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71741	From: rep928	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Flyonel Docksider issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71742	From: R G	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Flyonel Docksider issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71743	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Good source for AF HO engine parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71744	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71745	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71746	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Fine looking K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71747	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71748	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Fine looking K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71749	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Two Train Operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71750	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71751	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71752	From: Brady	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71753	From: Jerry	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: Fine looking K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71754	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71755	From: rep928	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: Flyonel Docksider issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71756	From: rkaneone	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: I'm new here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71757	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71758	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71759	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71760	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: Fine looking K-5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71761	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71762	From: racin510	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71763	From: Rich	Date: 3/15/2013
Subject: Flyer in Ohio
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71764	From: Paul	Date: 3/15/2013
Subject: TMCC and S Helper tirnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71765	From: rm_hirailer	Date: 3/15/2013
Subject: Happy Saint Gilbert's Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71766	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 3/15/2013
Subject: Re: Happy Saint Gilbert's Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71767	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/15/2013
Subject: Farm Pond Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71768	From: Paul	Date: 3/16/2013
Subject: Re: my question on using a TMCC SC on S Helper turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71769	From: Timboy	Date: 3/16/2013
Subject: Re: Farm Pond Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71770	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/16/2013
Subject: 3/16th Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71771	From: David	Date: 3/16/2013
Subject: PIKE MASTER TRUCKS ELEC. PICK UP BLOCK (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71772	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/16/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/17/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71773	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/17/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/17/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71774	From: traindavid	Date: 3/17/2013
Subject: Passing of Judy Sheffield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71775	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/17/2013
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Passing of Judy Sheffield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71776	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/17/2013
Subject: Re: Passing of Judy Sheffield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71777	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/18/2013
Subject: Re: Passing of Judy Sheffield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71778	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/18/2013
Subject: For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71779	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 3/18/2013
Subject: shs track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71780	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 3/18/2013
Subject: engine front coupler bracket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71781	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine Front Coupler Bracket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71782	From: pinetreerr	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: SHS Items available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71783	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine Front Coupler Bracket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71784	From: sgauge48	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Replacement Whistle Relay For The K-5 314?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71785	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71786	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71787	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Fwd: [Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California] San Diego S Gauge Open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71788	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71789	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71790	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71791	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71792	From: Jerry	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71793	From: dtrains@ymail.com	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: RS-1 with drive kit for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71794	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: For Sale: NIB Lionel Flyer engines and rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71795	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: For Sale: Branford Diner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71796	From: Alan Smith	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71797	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71798	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71799	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/21/2013
Subject: For sale: 8-car SHS Overland heavyweight set NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71800	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/21/2013
Subject: For sale: D&RGW AM Alco ABA diesels & five SHS heavyweight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71801	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/22/2013
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] For sale: D&RGW AM Alco ABA diesels & five SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71802	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/22/2013
Subject: Re: For sale: 8-car SHS Overland heavyweight set NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71803	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/22/2013
Subject: For Sale: S-Helper 5400 DC Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71804	From: iradiate1967	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: FS: SSA flyer wheel and coupler equipped tank cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71805	From: Leon Bedard	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: Lonely AF 492 (21916)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71806	From: iradiate1967	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: Re: FS: SSA flyer wheel and coupler equipped tank cars GATX SOLD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71807	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: Re: Lonely AF 492 (21916)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71808	From: tbennerohio	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: 312 power pickup issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71809	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/24/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71810	From: Timboy	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Re: 312 power pickup issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71811	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: B&O passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71812	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71813	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/24/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71814	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71815	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71816	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71817	From: Steve Schwartz	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71818	From: rick gough	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71819	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71820	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71821	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71822	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71823	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: LCCA Red Carpet Event
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71824	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71825	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71826	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71827	From: Herbert	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71828	From: Herbert	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71829	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71830	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71831	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert & Lionel Flyer freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71832	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71833	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71834	From: Timboy	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71835	From: stephen.terni	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Flyer Hotel Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71836	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Science Friday podcast about NYCs Grand Central Terminal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71837	From: Thomas	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: New link to AF Repair Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71838	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71839	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Re: New link to AF Repair Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71840	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71841	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: HO parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71842	From: gsc3	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: For Sale- SHS & American Models HI-Rail wheelsets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71843	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71844	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71845	From: Timboy	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71846	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71847	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71848	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: MTH Electric Trains S Gauge Newsletter - March 27, 2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71849	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71850	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71851	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71852	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: reasonable motel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71853	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71854	From: Alex	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71855	From: Timboy	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71856	From: Herbert	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71857	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71858	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Interesting Afternoon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71859	From: barb	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Sibley Tribute
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71860	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting Afternoon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71861	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71862	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting Afternoon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71863	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71864	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: New York Central Modeler Magazine (free)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71865	From: Steve Schwartz	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71866	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71867	From: Timboy	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71868	From: lionely6b	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Breenberg's AF Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71869	From: Joseph H	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71870	From: Thomas	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: New link to AF Repair Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71871	From: Thomas	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: New link to AF Repair Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71872	From: Thomas	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: New link to AF Repair Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71873	From: Thomas	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71874	From: robertgromen	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: LCCA Red Carpet Event
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71875	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71876	From: jshannon148	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Project Atlantic" concludes this month
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71877	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Working on the Farm - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71878	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Breenberg's AF Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71879	From: David	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: LADDER MATERIAL (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71880	From: Timboy	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71881	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Greenberg's AF Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71882	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71883	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Greenberg's AF Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71884	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Spring S Spree info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71885	From: Jerry	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: LADDER MATERIAL (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71886	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Looking for suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71887	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71888	From: Timboy	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71889	From: racin510	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71890	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71891	From: John Metzger	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71892	From: snstrains	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71893	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Looking for suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71894	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: LADDER MATERIAL (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71895	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: pig pen and chicken coop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71896	From: Herbert	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71897	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: pig pen and chicken coop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71898	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: underlayment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71899	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71900	From: Brady	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71901	From: Steven Allen	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: underlayment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71902	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71903	From: traindavid	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71904	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: pig pen and chicken coop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71905	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: pig pen and chicken coop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71906	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71907	From: snstrains	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71908	From: mike	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: S-N-S motor diode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71909	From: Lon Walker	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71910	From: Steven Allen	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71911	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/31/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71912	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71913	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71914	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: What is this?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71915	From: Eric	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: S Trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71916	From: snstrains	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: S-N-S motor diode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71917	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71918	From: Lon Walker	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71919	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: S-N-S motor diode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71920	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71921	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/31/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71922	From: mike	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: S-N-S motor diode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71923	From: pakrause5@att.net	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: S Trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71924	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: pig pen and chicken coop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71925	From: Steven Allen	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71926	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71927	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71928	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71929	From: johntech	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Easy Mold making
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71930	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE Smart Phone App
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71931	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71932	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71933	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71934	From: Thomas	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71935	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71936	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71937	From: bigswede073	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71938	From: imsscott	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71939	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71940	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 4/2/2013
Subject: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71941	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/2/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71942	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/2/2013
Subject: Stumpy's Station is posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71943	From: Paul	Date: 4/2/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71944	From: R G	Date: 4/2/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71945	From: Timboy	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71946	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71947	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71948	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71949	From: John	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71950	From: Brady	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: S Scale Reading Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71951	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: For Sale: Flyonel HAR#7 C&O Streamlined Passenger Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71952	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71953	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71954	From: racin510	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71955	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Stumpy's Station for April
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71956	From: Brady	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71957	From: Brady	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71958	From: Timboy	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71959	From: john	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Coupler Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71960	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71961	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71962	From: Roger Huber	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71963	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71964	From: snstrains	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71965	From: Paul	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71966	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Track question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71967	From: Paul	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71968	From: c100495	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: S Gauge in Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71969	From: Dave	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71970	From: R G	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71971	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71972	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71973	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Coupler Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71974	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71975	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71976	From: traindavid	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Coupler Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71977	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71978	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71979	From: Chris	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71980	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71981	From: Rich	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: snark with the why??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71982	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71983	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Scenery Unlimited old passenger car question.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71984	From: Scott	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: S Gauge in Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71985	From: Thomas Kaufman	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6015
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71986	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: auto Box car link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71987	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: S Gauge in Florida (for Fred)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71988	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Track question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71989	From: alsflyer	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Track question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71990	From: wjjim2001	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Re: Track question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71991	From: john	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Re: Coupler Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71992	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Re: S Gauge in Florida (for Fred)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71993	From: c100495	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: S Scale in Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71994	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Gun blue on Old track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71995	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: MOPAC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71996	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/7/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71997	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: For Sale: Flyonel Freight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71998	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Re: Coupler Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 71999	From: Rich	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Re: MOPAC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72000	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/7/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/7/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72001	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/7/2013
Subject: America 100 Years Ago
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72003	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Joseph F. Haenn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72004	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: 20425 set question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72005	From: snstrains	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: 20425 set question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72006	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: 20425 set question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72007	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: 20425 set question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72008	From: Rich	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: 20425 set question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72009	From: Roger	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72011	From: snstrains	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72012	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72013	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72014	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72015	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72016	From: Roger Huber	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72017	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72018	From: acgtx1	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: 1915 Prelude to "Unstoppable" - Hazards of Helen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72019	From: Pat	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: sound generator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72020	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72021	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72022	From: Roger Huber	Date: 4/9/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72023	From: Frank	Date: 4/9/2013
Subject: Re: 1915 Prelude to "Unstoppable" - Hazards of Helen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72024	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 4/9/2013
Subject: B&O Hopper Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72025	From: Jim Alessio	Date: 4/9/2013
Subject: Re: 1915 Prelude to "Unstoppable" - Hazards of Helen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72026	From: John	Date: 4/9/2013
Subject: Installing shorting plugs to SHS switcher engines to run better on D
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72027	From: Dr Trains	Date: 4/10/2013
Subject: LOOking for part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72028	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/10/2013
Subject: Wrecked Die-Cast Vehicles - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72029	From: Eric	Date: 4/10/2013
Subject: More s train cars for sale!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72030	From: David	Date: 4/11/2013
Subject: Inexpensive Decals Are Here! (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72031	From: Ben Serzo	Date: 4/11/2013
Subject: Re: More s train cars for sale!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72032	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 4/11/2013
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Decals Are Here! (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72033	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 4/11/2013
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Decals Are Here! (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72034	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72035	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: S-Helper Boxed Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72036	From: Frank	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72037	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: A.F. Burlington Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72038	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72039	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: A.F. Burlington Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72040	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72041	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: A.F. Burlington Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72042	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72043	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: LINK TO OLSEN'S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72044	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: More warehouses...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72045	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72046	From: nightshift.geo	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Scratchbuilt S Scale on E Bay...NightshiftArt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72047	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72048	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: The Reading Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72049	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: The Reading Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72050	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72051	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: The Reading Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72052	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72053	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72054	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/14/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72055	From: Herbert	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72056	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: The Reading Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72057	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72058	From: bkweidner	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72059	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72060	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72061	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72062	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72063	From: Martin	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72064	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72065	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/14/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72066	From: Ben	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: "Pre-York" meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72067	From: Eric	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: S Trains For Sale, AM and SSA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72068	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/15/2013
Subject: Chocolate Train- Really Neat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72069	From: Herbert	Date: 4/16/2013
Subject: Re: Chocolate Train- Really Neat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72070	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/16/2013
Subject: For Sale: NASG Club Cars New in their Original Boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72071	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/16/2013
Subject: For Sale: Lionel Flyer GP-20 and freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72072	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: A.F. Burlington Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72073	From: barb	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: I'm new Here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72074	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new Here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72075	From: Paul	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: spring spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72076	From: Roy	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72077	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: spring spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72078	From: Paul	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: spring spree, I'm eating crow, care for a bite?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72079	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: spring spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72080	From: Paul	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: spring spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72081	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: spring spree, I'm eating crow, care for a bite?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72082	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72083	From: wb4hay	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: asphalt and joint compound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72084	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: Asphalt and Joint Compound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72085	From: apple	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: Asphalt and Joint Compound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72086	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: MTH S Gauge Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72087	From: Dave	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: Asphalt and Joint Compound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72088	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72089	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72090	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72091	From: Henry Koshollek	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72092	From: Paul	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: asphalt and joint compound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72093	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72094	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72095	From: wjgill1	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72096	From: bkweidner	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 S gauge offerings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72097	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72098	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: MTH Catalog Easy Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72099	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 S gauge offerings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72100	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Lionel 2013 S catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72101	From: gartrain404	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S Gauge Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72102	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: asphalt and joint compound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72103	From: snstrains	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72104	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 S gauge offerings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72105	From: The Reardon's	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: asphalt and joint compound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72106	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72107	From: henrykoshollek	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72108	From: John	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: MTH F3 shipping schedule
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72109	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72110	From: william cole	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: cost comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72111	From: racin510	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72112	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72113	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72114	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: DCS & TMCC (was MTH Catalog)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72115	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72116	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: Cost Comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72117	From: smccoy923	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: S Helper Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72118	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72119	From: alan smith	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: Cost Comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72120	From: Paul Schilling	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: Cost Comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72121	From: Paul Schilling	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: Cost Comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72122	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: MTH and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72123	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72124	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/21/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72125	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Scenery Plots
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72126	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: wanted. Scenery Unlimited old time passenger car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72127	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: McGuire-Cummings Long Broom Snow Sweeper Cars in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72128	From: henrykoshollek	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72129	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72130	From: alan smith	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72131	From: john	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72132	From: Herbert	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72133	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72134	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72135	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72136	From: The Reardon's	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72137	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/21/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72138	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72139	From: Ernest Mennecke	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Lionel 90 degree crossovers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72140	From: rhicks308	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel 90 degree crossovers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72141	From: tiga34@att.net	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72142	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72143	From: henrykoshollek	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72144	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72145	From: john	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Thanks Mr Barker!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72146	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72147	From: none	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel 90 degree crossovers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72148	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Home Layouts Needed For Banning, CA, Train Festival (October)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72149	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72150	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72151	From: Roger Huber	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72152	From: carl4flyer	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72153	From: O. David Mylander	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72154	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog url
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72155	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Stopping further damage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72156	From: alan smith	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog url
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72157	From: Art Cooper	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72158	From: Rich	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: MTH and Lionel catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72159	From: Thomas	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: Thanks Mr Barker!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72160	From: polichar	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog url
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72161	From: reefma_99	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: Thanks Mr Barker!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72162	From: Martin	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and Lionel catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72163	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72164	From: carl4flyer	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72165	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72166	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: RFD TV - Watch On-Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72167	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: For Sale: Lionel Flyer HAR#4 New York Central Freight Set NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72168	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: Thanks Mr Barker!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72169	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: 2013 Spring S Spree and Public Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72170	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: For sale: two American models diesel engines NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72171	From: race944t	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72172	From: cleveshows@att.net	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Spring “S” Spree Convention 2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72173	From: cleveshows@att.net	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 Spring S Spree and Public Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72174	From: cleveshows@att.net	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 Spring S Spree and Public Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72175	From: johntech	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Baldwin pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72176	From: Scott	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Restoring AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72177	From: snstrains	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: Baldwin pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72178	From: racin510	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: Restoring AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72179	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: Baldwin pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72180	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: Restoring AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72181	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: I Love Toy Trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72182	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: RFDTV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72183	From: snstrains	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: Baldwin pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72184	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72185	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: Baldwin pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72186	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: RFDTV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72187	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight Time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72188	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72189	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight Time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72190	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight Time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72191	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Dept. 56 trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72192	From: Ronald	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72193	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72194	From: Ronald	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72195	From: rkaneone	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Cleveland S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72196	From: Thomas	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Restoring AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72197	From: DennisC	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight Time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72198	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72199	From: cleveshows@att.net	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Cleveland S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72200	From: Paul	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Cleveland S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72201	From: Scott Huston	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Restoring AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72202	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: For Sale: Two pristine NIB Lionel Flyer Passernger Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72203	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Cleveland S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72204	From: rkaneone	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: RE; Oops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72205	From: drgwmaine	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: For sale: Showcase Line B&M SW8 with DCC and Tsunami sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72206	From: bigswede073	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72207	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Restoring AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72208	From: David	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: CASEY JONES E&T Bashing (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72209	From: Paul	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Cleveland S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72210	From: Jerry	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: RE; Oops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72211	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72212	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Am I a lightning rod?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72213	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/28/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72214	From: Paul	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Am I a lightning rod?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72215	From: john larsen	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72216	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/28/2013
Subject: 2-8-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72217	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/28/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/28/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72218	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 4/29/2013
Subject: NASG 2013 Convention Clinics Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72219	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 4/30/2013
Subject: S Scale Club On Long Beach-South Bay (CA) Layout Tour – May 18
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72220	From: bobgarm	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72221	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72222	From: Ben	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Anyone else running Tru-Scale or Bob Peare code .172?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72223	From: Ben	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Converting a #372 to DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72224	From: Ben	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Another one for Stumpy...an $8 #274 Mimnicraft!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72225	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: New Photos of Custom SP&S #700 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72226	From: Carey Probst	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: Converting a #372 to DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72227	From: R G	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: Anyone else running Tru-Scale or Bob Peare code .172?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72228	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Another one for Stumpy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72229	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: New Photos of Custom SP&S #700 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72230	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72231	From: R G	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: Another one for Stumpy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72232	From: snstrains	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: Converting a #372 to DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72233	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Operating Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72234	From: Leon Bedard	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: Converting a #372 to DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72235	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: A.F. O Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72236	From: David	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: SPRING Tune Up Special (Apr, May, Jun) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72237	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: wheel trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72238	From: snstrains	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: Converting a #372 to DC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72239	From: bobgarm	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72240	From: Jim	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: all aboard panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72241	From: Scott	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72242	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: all aboard panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72243	From: watsonscruff2000	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72244	From: Steven Allen	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72245	From: Scott Huston	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72246	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72247	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72248	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Steamer can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72249	From: wjjim2001	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: all aboard panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72250	From: Donald Keil	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: Steamer can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72251	From: bobgarm	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72252	From: snstrains	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72253	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: all aboard panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72254	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72255	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72256	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: GP-9 SHELL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72257	From: carl4flyer	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: GP-9 SHELL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72258	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: GP-9 SHELL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72259	From: imsscott	Date: 5/4/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72260	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/4/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72261	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/4/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72262	From: Thorin	Date: 5/4/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72263	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/4/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/5/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72264	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 5/5/2013
Subject: 11 yrs a member
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72265	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/5/2013
Subject: The Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72266	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/5/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/5/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72267	From: pdagenais01	Date: 5/5/2013
Subject: Re: Steamer can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72268	From: snstrains	Date: 5/6/2013
Subject: Re: Steamer can motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72269	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/6/2013
Subject: "The Junkyard" on My Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72270	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/6/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72271	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/6/2013
Subject: Any Erector Set Experts Here?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72272	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72273	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: ERECTOR SETS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72274	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: MORE ERECTOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72275	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: GILBERT VILLAGE WHILE WE ARE AT IT (ERECTOR)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72276	From: Thorin	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: "The Junkyard" on My Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72277	From: rick gough	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: GILBERT VILLAGE WHILE WE ARE AT IT (ERECTOR)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72278	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 5/8/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72279	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/8/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72280	From: michael prell	Date: 5/8/2013
Subject: Re: Any Erector Set Experts Here?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72281	From: NEIL	Date: 5/8/2013
Subject: J3a streamline project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72282	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Fwd: MTH Electric Trains S Gauge Newsletter - May 8, 2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72283	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: "The Junkyard" on My Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72284	From: Herbert	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72285	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72286	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72287	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: J3a streamline project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72288	From: Herbert	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72289	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72290	From: David	Date: 5/10/2013
Subject: A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72291	From: Jamie Bothwell	Date: 5/10/2013
Subject: Early Registration Extended
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72292	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/11/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/12/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72293	From: Eric	Date: 5/12/2013
Subject: SHS 3 Bay Hoppers for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72294	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/12/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/12/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72295	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 5/12/2013
Subject: Re: SHS 3 Bay Hoppers for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72296	From: LB	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Off Topic - Train Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72297	From: James Lyle	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Train Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72298	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Train Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72299	From: LB	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Train Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72300	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Train Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72301	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Train Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72302	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Off Topic-Train Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72303	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Train Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72304	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Train Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72305	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Layout Progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72306	From: Martin	Date: 5/14/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic-Train Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72307	From: rapidrail1	Date: 5/14/2013
Subject: Animated Circus Giraffe Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72308	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/14/2013
Subject: Re: Animated Circus Giraffe Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72309	From: Brady	Date: 5/14/2013
Subject: Re: Animated Circus Giraffe Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72310	From: LB	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Re Off-Topic Train Auctions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72311	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: AF Y-3 upgrade to run on DC and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72312	From: David	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Drive Wheel Assembly Tool Return (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72313	From: nicholas	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: 755 mystic station parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72314	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Re: 755 mystic station parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72315	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Re: GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72316	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Re: 755 mystic station parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72317	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Re: GP-7
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72318	From: none	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: S-Helper-Service catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72319	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72320	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Re: Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72321	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper-Service catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72322	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Re: A.F. O Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72323	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: AF/Gilbert Gon BODIES?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72324	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Wanted: SHS F7 AC/DC Sound Board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72325	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72326	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Re: AF/Gilbert Gon BODIES?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72327	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Re: AF/Gilbert Gon BODIES?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72328	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/17/2013
Subject: Re: AF/Gilbert Gon BODIES?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72329	From: lionely6b	Date: 5/17/2013
Subject: Re: MTH electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72330	From: John	Date: 5/17/2013
Subject: Re: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72331	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/17/2013
Subject: Marker Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72332	From: alan smith	Date: 5/17/2013
Subject: Re: Marker Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72333	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: Re: Marker Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72334	From: alan smith	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: Re: Marker Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72335	From: rick gough	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: Re: Marker Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72336	From: David	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: CJ Shim Kit (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72337	From: alansherryb	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: Re: NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72338	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: Re: NASG Elections
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72339	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/19/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72340	From: David	Date: 5/19/2013
Subject: Advertise Your "S" Product (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72341	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/19/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/19/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72342	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/19/2013
Subject: Re: AF/Gilbert Gon BODIES?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72343	From: bobgarm	Date: 5/19/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72344	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/19/2013
Subject: Fwd: [Gilberthotrains] Maraldene is on the market!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72345	From: snstrains	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72346	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/19/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72347	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72348	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72349	From: David	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Brass S Scale cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72350	From: Rich	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72351	From: Roger Huber	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: Brass S Scale cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72352	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: Brass S Scale cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72353	From: Roger Huber	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: Brass S Scale cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72354	From: tiga34@att.net	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Gilberthotrains] Maraldene is on the market!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72355	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72356	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: Bibliography
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72357	From: workinalure	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72358	From: John	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72359	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: Inland Terminal S Gauge Club Seeks Members (So. Calif.)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72360	From: David	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: NEW LED Cubes (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72361	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72362	From: Rich	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72363	From: Rich	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72364	From: David	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: NEW LED Cubes Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72365	From: jhannawald	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72366	From: R G	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72367	From: lionely6b	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Re: Bibliography
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72368	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Voting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72369	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: Re: Voting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72370	From: Roy	Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: Carl Tuveson is finally on.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72371	From: Steve Schwartz	Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72372	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: For sale: NIB S-helper reefer & boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72373	From: Obie Bell	Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: Re: Carl Tuveson is finally on.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72374	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72375	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72376	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Carl Tuveson is finally on.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72377	From: James B Miller	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72378	From: Steven Allen	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72379	From: Steven Allen	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72380	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72381	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72382	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Paint Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72383	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72384	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72385	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72386	From: Obie Bell	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Paint Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72387	From: David	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: LED Cubes Here Early (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72388	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Testors paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72389	From: Steven Allen	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72390	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Re: Testors paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72391	From: Ben	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Circus Big Top pole truck/wagon load
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72392	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/26/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72393	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Re: Testors paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72394	From: hobbycj1	Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Cherry Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72395	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Re: Testors paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72396	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/26/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72397	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72398	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: Cherry Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72399	From: grdobbs@juno.com	Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: New email address for Gerald Dobbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72400	From: James Lyle	Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72401	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: 342 AC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72402	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: Cherry Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72403	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: MTH S-Gauge Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72404	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72405	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Testors replies!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72406	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: Testors replies!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72407	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Re: Cherry Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72408	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Re: Cherry Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72409	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Useful Polly Scale colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72410	From: Steven Allen	Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72411	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Re: Cherry Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72412	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/30/2013
Subject: For sale: ready-to-run starter sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72413	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/30/2013
Subject: For sale: NIB Lionel Flyer sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72414	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/30/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale Colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72415	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/30/2013
Subject: In Search Of : TRUCKS!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72416	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Possible CNS&M Electroliners in S from KND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72417	From: LB	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72418	From: billadams30	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Downsizing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72419	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72420	From: Jim	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: all aboard panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72421	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Digital Photography
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72422	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72423	From: James Lyle	Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72424	From: JOHN KEATING	Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: Re: all aboard panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72425	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/2/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72426	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: 734 Operating Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72427	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/2/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/2/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72428	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: "The Junkyard" Part Three
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72429	From: David	Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: CJ Bashing Project Up Date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72430	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: "The Junkyard" Part Three
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72431	From: David	Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Kit Bashing The AF Casey Jones Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72432	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: MTH Electric Trains S Gauge Newsletter - June 5, 2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72433	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Electric Trains S Gauge pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72434	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Kit Bashing The AF Casey Jones Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72435	From: David	Date: 6/7/2013
Subject: CASEY JONES Modifications New Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72436	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/7/2013
Subject: 1987 Greenberg's Pocket Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72437	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/7/2013
Subject: Flyonel Mikado for sale (Southern 4501)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72438	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/7/2013
Subject: Re: 1987 Greenberg's Pocket Price Guide - Has been sold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72439	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/8/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/9/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72440	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/9/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/9/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72441	From: David	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: R.E.A. Decal Special, 48 hrs. "ONLY" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72442	From: Ben	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Armature assembly needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72443	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72444	From: rudypenne	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72445	From: DonR	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72446	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72447	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72448	From: Steven Allen	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72449	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72450	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 6/11/2013
Subject: Aluminum Passenger Car Kits?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72451	From: snstrains	Date: 6/11/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72452	From: David A. Avedesian, PE, RPA	Date: 6/11/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72453	From: mike gardner	Date: 6/11/2013
Subject: 766 Guilford station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72454	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/11/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72455	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: 766 Guilford station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72456	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72457	From: Ray Puls	Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Fw: AF Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72458	From: afjeff_56	Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72459	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72460	From: Dr Trains	Date: 6/14/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72461	From: David A. Avedesian, PE, RPA	Date: 6/14/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72462	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72463	From: Timboy	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72464	From: David	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: ATTN: All Repairmen (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72465	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72466	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72467	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/16/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72468	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72469	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/16/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72470	From: sioneli80	Date: 6/17/2013
Subject: Modular brick warehouse sections.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72471	From: David	Date: 6/17/2013
Subject: AMERICAN STYLE 4-4-0 From an AF CJ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72472	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/17/2013
Subject: Re: AMERICAN STYLE 4-4-0 From an AF CJ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72473	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Re: AMERICAN STYLE 4-4-0 From an AF CJ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72474	From: fredalles	Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: American Flyer 6-48249 TCA Colorado Yule Marble Flatcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72475	From: Jay	Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72476	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72477	From: robertgromen	Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72478	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer 6-48249 TCA Colorado Yule Marble Flatcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72479	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer 6-48249 TCA Colorado Yule Marble Flatcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72480	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72481	From: David	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: #(21)234 Decal Set Plus "NEW"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72482	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72483	From: Rich	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72484	From: rudypenne	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72485	From: zemouse2001	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72486	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72487	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72488	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72489	From: traindavid	Date: 6/22/2013
Subject: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72490	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/22/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/23/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72491	From: David	Date: 6/23/2013
Subject: CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Project Up Date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72492	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/23/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/23/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72493	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/23/2013
Subject: Re: CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Project Up Date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72494	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 6/23/2013
Subject: Re: CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Project Up Date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72495	From: David	Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Starter Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72496	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/25/2013
Subject: Re: CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Starter Units?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72497	From: David	Date: 6/25/2013
Subject: REPAIREMAN'S SPECIAL (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72498	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/26/2013
Subject: 21004 Exploded View Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72499	From: bob_ep5	Date: 6/26/2013
Subject: A couple of questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72500	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/26/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Exploded View Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72501	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/27/2013
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72502	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/27/2013
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72503	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/27/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Exploded View Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72504	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/27/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Exploded View Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72505	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 6/28/2013
Subject: Four AF items added for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72506	From: flywelder2	Date: 6/28/2013
Subject: Where can I get rubber road bed for A.F. track ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72507	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/28/2013
Subject: American Models Track, etc...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72508	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Track, etc...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72509	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: A.F. Items Listed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72510	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Track, etc...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72511	From: racin510	Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Track, etc...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72512	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/30/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72513	From: David	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: Another CJ Bashing Project Up Date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72514	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72515	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/30/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72516	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72517	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72518	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72519	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72520	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: 21004 2 Step Reverse Unit - Wiring Sketch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72521	From: Jamie Bothwell	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: NASG Election Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72522	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 7/1/2013
Subject: seeking info @ Penn Line trailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72523	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/1/2013
Subject: Re: seeking info @ Penn Line trailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72524	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 7/2/2013
Subject: Re: seeking info @ Penn Line trailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72525	From: David	Date: 7/2/2013
Subject: Casey Jones Bashing Up Date 07-02-2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72526	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/2/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S STATION for July
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72527	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 7/3/2013
Subject: items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72528	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/3/2013
Subject: RE Casey jones kitbash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72529	From: David	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Re: RE Casey jones kitbash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72530	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Re: Casey Jones kitbash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72531	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Re: RE Casey jones kitbash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72532	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Re: RE Casey jones kitbash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72533	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Re: Casey Jones kitbash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72534	From: David	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Decal Set For CJ Kit Bash Project (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72535	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 7/5/2013
Subject: 21004 Video Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72536	From: David	Date: 7/6/2013
Subject: CJ Kit Bash Up Date - 07-06-2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72537	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/6/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/7/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72538	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/7/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/7/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72539	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 7/7/2013
Subject: Springfield, IL shops??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72540	From: snstrains	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Important announcement from SnS Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72541	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: Important announcement from SnS Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72542	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: Important announcement from SnS Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72543	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: AF ILLUSTRATED CHECKLIST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72544	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: AF CHECKLIST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72545	From: David	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Casey Jones Kit Bashing Project Up Date 07-08-2013 FINISH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72546	From: racin510	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: Important announcement from SnS Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72547	From: Jerry	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: Casey Jones Kit Bashing Project Up Date 07-08-2013 FINISH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72548	From: doc_strains	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Bashing the 303
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72549	From: snstrains	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: SnS Trains sale followup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72550	From: acgtx1	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Building First Home Permanent Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72551	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Part Number SHS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72552	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72553	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72554	From: rhicks308	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72555	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72556	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72557	From: scaler164	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: AF Parts Need A New Home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72558	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: SHS FEEDER WIRE #00255 FOUND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72559	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72560	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: AF Parts Need A New Home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72561	From: scaler164	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: [S Scale Model Railroading] AF Parts FOUND A New Home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72562	From: James Lyle	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72563	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: SHS FEEDER WIRE #00255 FOUND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72564	From: Dale Reynolds	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72565	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: SHS FEEDER WIRE #00255 FOUND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72566	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72567	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: SHS FEEDER WIRE #00255 FOUND
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72568	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72569	From: alan smith	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72570	From: sscalemn	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Official Cancellation of the 2010 NASG National Convention Car Proje
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72571	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 7/11/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72572	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/11/2013
Subject: Automated Block Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72573	From: markaflyer	Date: 7/11/2013
Subject: Re: Automated Block Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72574	From: jhannawald	Date: 7/11/2013
Subject: Re: Automated Block Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72575	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/11/2013
Subject: Re: Automated Block Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72576	From: David	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: NEW 8 wheel engine chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72577	From: David	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: 2 Wheel Pilot Truck For AF's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72578	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: Open house July 13 at the San Diego S Gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72579	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW 8 wheel engine chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72580	From: racin510	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW 8 wheel engine chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72581	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: Re: LBR single axile quartering tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72582	From: snstrains	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: Re: LBR single axile quartering tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72583	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: Re: LBR single axile quartering tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72584	From: traindavid	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: Quartering Drives & quartering tools
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72585	From: scaler164	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: AF Compatable Parts (AM & SHS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72586	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: Re: Quartering Drives & quartering tools
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72587	From: scaler164	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: Re: AF Compatable Parts (AM & SHS)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72588	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/14/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72589	From: John	Date: 7/14/2013
Subject: compatibility of SHS/MTH and American Models track with AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72590	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/14/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/14/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72591	From: hobbycj1	Date: 7/14/2013
Subject: Re: compatibility of SHS/MTH and American Models track with AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72592	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/14/2013
Subject: Re: compatibility of SHS/MTH and American Models track with AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72593	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Compatability of AF/MTH...etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72594	From: David	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: NEW Steamer Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72595	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72596	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72597	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72598	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72599	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72600	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72601	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72602	From: James Lyle	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72603	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72604	From: Jerry	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72605	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72606	From: James Lyle	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72607	From: David	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72608	From: Jerry	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72609	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72610	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72611	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72612	From: John	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72613	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: PENN RR TENDERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72614	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Screw for AF Semaphore Arm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72615	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Amer. Flyer cattle 'pads'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72616	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72617	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Screw for AF Semaphore Arm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72618	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72619	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Screw for AF Semaphore Arm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72620	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer cattle 'pads'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72621	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: 2013 NASG Convention Clinics Updated
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72622	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer cattle 'pads'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72623	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72624	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72625	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72626	From: alan smith	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72627	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Screw for AF Semaphore Arm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72628	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Screw for AF Semaphore Arm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72629	From: grchud	Date: 7/19/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72630	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/19/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72631	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/19/2013
Subject: Making custom parts for your engine and tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72632	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/19/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine and tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72633	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/20/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/21/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72634	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/21/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/21/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72635	From: Bud Rindfleisch	Date: 7/21/2013
Subject: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72636	From: samuel.j.mccoy	Date: 7/21/2013
Subject: Re: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72637	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: scale log car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72638	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: scale log car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72639	From: hobbycj1	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: American Flyer Meters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72640	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Meters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72641	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Meters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72642	From: wjgill1	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Meters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72643	From: Bud Rindfleisch	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72644	From: samuel.j.mccoy	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72645	From: bigswede073	Date: 7/23/2013
Subject: Re: scale log car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72646	From: scaler164	Date: 7/23/2013
Subject: WANTED : SHS Product Catalog Issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72647	From: traindavid	Date: 7/23/2013
Subject: OT: UP to restore Big Boy 4014 to operation!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72648	From: Bud Rindfleisch	Date: 7/23/2013
Subject: Re: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72649	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2013
Subject: Scale Log Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72650	From: David	Date: 7/24/2013
Subject: CJ Can Motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72651	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/24/2013
Subject: Plastic trucks on new Flyonel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72652	From: snstrains	Date: 7/24/2013
Subject: Re: CJ Can Motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72653	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72654	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: CJ can motor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72655	From: afot7	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on new Flyonel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72656	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72657	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72658	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: For sale: HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72659	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72660	From: lionely6b	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on new Flyonel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72661	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: OT: UP to restore Big Boy 4014 to operation!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72662	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: OT: UP to restore Big Boy 4014 to operation!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72663	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Peter Vanvliet: 2 Qstns, re Regstr'n, 2013 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72664	From: Jim Marcinik	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: For sale: HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72665	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: For sale: HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72666	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on new Flyonel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72667	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: OT: UP to restore Big Boy 4014 to operation!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72668	From: David	Date: 7/26/2013
Subject: CJ Can Motor Price (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72669	From: David	Date: 7/26/2013
Subject: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72670	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/26/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72671	From: DarylO	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Game Train Game
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72672	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72673	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72674	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/28/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72675	From: alan smith	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72676	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72677	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72678	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: CJ New Can Motor Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72679	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/28/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72680	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: S Scale layout article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72681	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: Game Train Game
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72682	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: -Video: NCE DCC Mini-Panel & Power Cab, Controlling S ga. Pt to Pt.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72683	From: johntech	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72684	From: David	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Newly Bashed CJ Photos Soon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72685	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72686	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72687	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: Game Train Game
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72688	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: Game Train Game
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72689	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Game Train Game
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72690	From: David	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: CJ New Can Motor True History
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72691	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72692	From: traindavid	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: CJ can motor conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72693	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72694	From: David	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72695	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Clemency?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72696	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72697	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72698	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72699	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72700	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: E;re: Clemency
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72701	From: Scott Huston	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: CJ New Can Motor True History
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72702	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72703	From: alan smith	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72704	From: Herbert	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72705	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72706	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72707	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: kitbashing and collecting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72708	From: Richard Gillett	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: An introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72709	From: JOHN	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Junk Box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72710	From: David	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: NEW CJ Photos At?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72711	From: David	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Latest CJ Kit Bash Photos 07-30-2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72712	From: Roy	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Open for Convention Tavelers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72713	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: An introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72714	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: Junk Box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72715	From: richdgillett	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: An introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72716	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: S Gauge club websites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72717	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Kitbashing.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72718	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72719	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72720	From: pete.henningsen	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Stumpy's Junk Box!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72721	From: David	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: CJ Chassis Weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72722	From: JeryJones3@...	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: S Gauge club websites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72723	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72724	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: Kitbashing.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72725	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: An introduction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72726	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: Kitbashing.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72727	From: traindavid	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Clemency & Kitbashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72728	From: bobville	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: CJ Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72729	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Most S Club Websites on NASG.org ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72730	From: racin510	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency & Kitbashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72731	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Kitbashing.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72732	From: kempfam	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72733	From: David	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: 2 More CJ To American 4-4-0 Project Photos 07-31-2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72734	From: alan smith	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Kitbashing.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72735	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Kitbashing.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72736	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Forced Perspective
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72737	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72738	From: alan smith	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Fwd: Mechanics Chair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72739	From: David	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: More CJ Project Photos 08-01-2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72740	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Mechanics Chair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72741	From: Jerry	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Mechanics Chair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72742	From: David	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: FREE Kit Bashed CJ E&T (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72743	From: alan smith	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72744	From: EDWARD	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: kitbashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72745	From: David	Date: 8/2/2013
Subject: Three More CJ Project Photos 08-02-2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72746	From: Art Cooper	Date: 8/2/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72747	From: charlieboydstun	Date: 8/2/2013
Subject: S scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72748	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: S scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72749	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: Re: S scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72750	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: Re: S scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72751	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/4/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72752	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: Re: Double slip switch or double crossover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72753	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: Forced Perspective
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72754	From: carl4flyer	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: Re: Double slip switch or double crossover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72755	From: lionely6b	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: The Defender sets are coming!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72756	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: Re: S scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72757	From: Gerry Siegel	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: Re: Forced Perspective
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72758	From: David	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: "How To Kit Bash An AF Casey Jones" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72759	From: traindavid	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: Re: Defender Sets are Coming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72760	From: David	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: NEW ALBUM for CJ motors & LED's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72761	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/4/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72762	From: James Lyle	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: Re: The Defender sets are coming!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72763	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: Re: Forced Perspective
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72764	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S STATION for August posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72765	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: Forced Perspective
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72766	From: lionely6b	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: The Defender set is coming!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72767	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: The Defender set is coming!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72768	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: The Defender set is coming!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72769	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Fwd: New American Flyer Items Rolling In!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72770	From: lionely6b	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: The Defender set is coming!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72771	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: Forced Perspective
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72772	From: David	Date: 8/6/2013
Subject: NEW PARTS for CJ Motor & Electrical Pick Ups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72773	From: Carey Probst	Date: 8/6/2013
Subject: Designing new layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72774	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/6/2013
Subject: MRH announces TrainMasters-TV | Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine | M
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72775	From: Rich	Date: 8/6/2013
Subject: Re: MRH announces TrainMasters-TV | Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72776	From: David	Date: 8/7/2013
Subject: NEW Johnson Bars for the CJ (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72777	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 8/7/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72778	From: R G	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72779	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72780	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72781	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72782	From: lionely6b	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: Chimney for No. 50 School House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72783	From: David	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: CJ WHITE WALLS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72784	From: R G	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72785	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72786	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72787	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Scenery Plots
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72788	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72789	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: Scenery Plots
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72790	From: David	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: 2mm LED's with brass mounting stem (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72791	From: zemouse2001	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: Scenery Plots
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72792	From: gdwilson001	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Planning a Ceiling Tain Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72793	From: zemouse2001	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: Planning a Ceiling Tain Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72794	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: Planning a Ceiling Tain Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72795	From: Rich	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: 4-4-0 prototypes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72796	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Planning a Ceiling Layout: Noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72797	From: gdwilson001	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Re: Planning a Ceiling Layout: Noise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72798	From: David	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: NEW 2mm LED's Mounted On E&T's - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72799	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Re: Planning a Ceiling Tain Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72800	From: Paul	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Re: Planning a Ceiling Tain Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72801	From: ALAN UDY	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Ceiling Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72802	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/11/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72803	From: Brady	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Re: Scenery Plots
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72804	From: David	Date: 8/11/2013
Subject: #1365 B&O Finished CJ Bash Photos (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72805	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/11/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/11/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72806	From: Robert Conner	Date: 8/12/2013
Subject: Auction houses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72807	From: Stephen	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72808	From: David	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: NEW pressure domes for CJ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72809	From: Rich	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72810	From: Dr Trains	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72811	From: Stephen	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72812	From: Stephen	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72813	From: Stephen	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72814	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: 54" wide radius track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72815	From: Dr Trains	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72816	From: Stephen	Date: 8/14/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72817	From: David	Date: 8/14/2013
Subject: GREEN LED MARKER SET for AF #322 Boiler Face (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72818	From: Dr Trains	Date: 8/14/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72819	From: David	Date: 8/14/2013
Subject: AF L.E.D. lens (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72820	From: alan smith	Date: 8/14/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72821	From: spgripside	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: Question about 1947 AF 342 NPR SIT Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72822	From: bigswede073	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: FS: SHS 2-8-0 loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72823	From: David	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: AF 0-8-0 LED Head Light Lens
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72824	From: John	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72825	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72826	From: David	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: AF HUDSON Boiler Face LED 3 Piece Kit Is Here (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72827	From: alan smith	Date: 8/16/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72828	From: myflyertrains	Date: 8/16/2013
Subject: Stumpy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72829	From: David	Date: 8/16/2013
Subject: AF #32x series boiler face LED kit installation (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72830	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/16/2013
Subject: For Sale: S Scale engines and cars NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72831	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72832	From: gdwilson001	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Camper tape?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72833	From: Jerry	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72834	From: Paul	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72835	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/18/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72836	From: Jerry	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72837	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: SHS Rail (Code 139) turnouts for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72838	From: Paul	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72839	From: alan smith	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72840	From: af4mark	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: what does original Rio Grande F-9 nose sticker look like?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72841	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/18/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72842	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Update: Mainstreeter Trains Gondolas for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72843	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Re: Update: Mainstreeter Trains Gondolas for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72844	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Cemetery Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72845	From: wjjim2001	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Info request
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72846	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Drive In Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72847	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Re: what does original Rio Grande F-9 nose sticker look like?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72848	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72849	From: alan smith	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72850	From: David	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: RTR #32x Boiler Face - Limited Avaliability
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72851	From: John	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: Drive In Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72852	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72853	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72854	From: David	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: NEW - Casey Jones Parts (Ad)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72855	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Defender Set Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72856	From: alan smith	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72857	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72858	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72859	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72860	From: af4mark	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: what does original Rio Grande F-9 nose sticker look like?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72861	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/20/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72862	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/20/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72863	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 8/20/2013
Subject: A F Box question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72864	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 8/20/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72865	From: Jim Strompolis	Date: 8/20/2013
Subject: Re: Official Cancellation of the 2010 NASG National Convention Car P
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72866	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72867	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Re: A F Box question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72868	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72869	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Re: A F Box question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72870	From: Ben	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Big Boy for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72871	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Exhibit Your Layout – Central Coast RR Festival (CA)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72872	From: george leidinger	Date: 8/22/2013
Subject: Re: 54" wide radius track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72873	From: David	Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: ALL WHEEL Electrical Pick Up Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72874	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: Website Updated: HUNDREDS of S Items for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72875	From: David	Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: ALL WHEEL Elec. Pick Up Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72876	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: NASG Web Site - Updated 2013 Convention Page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72877	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: Lucky Folks...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72878	From: David	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: NEW Wiring System for your AF Sintered Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72879	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site - Updated 2013 Convention Page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72880	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/25/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72881	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site - Updated 2013 Convention Page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72882	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: AF ALCO Coupler Cutouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72883	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/25/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/25/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72884	From: David	Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Up Grade Your Hudson, Northern Tender Trucks (Ad)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72885	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Re: looking for aq part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72886	From: David	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Retro-Fit Four (4) Wheel Sintered Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72887	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: looking for aq part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72888	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: Retro-Fit Four (4) Wheel Sintered Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72889	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: looking for aq part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72890	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: looking for aq part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72891	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: I've been KITBASHED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72892	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72893	From: Steven Allen	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72894	From: Paul	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72895	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72896	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: track plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72897	From: richs009	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: track plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72898	From: James Lyle	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: looking for aq part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72899	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: track plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72900	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72901	From: nyc17819@...	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Operating Car Control button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72902	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/29/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Car Control button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72903	From: Mike Hayes	Date: 8/29/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Car Control button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72904	From: rick gough	Date: 8/29/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72905	From: R G	Date: 8/29/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Car Control button
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72906	From: wjjim2001	Date: 8/30/2013
Subject: DALLEE A/C Sound Controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72907	From: jedmsie	Date: 8/30/2013
Subject: Re: GREEN LED MARKER SET for AF #322 Boiler Face (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72908	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: GREEN LED MARKER SET for AF #322 Boiler Face (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72909	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72910	From: poniaj	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72911	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72912	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: #50 DISTRICT SCHOOL HOUSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72913	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72914	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: The end of S Gauge toy train collecting as we knew it.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72915	From: calleytwo	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72916	From: alan smith	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: #50 DISTRICT SCHOOL HOUSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72917	From: herbw202	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72918	From: calleytwo	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: The end of S Gauge toy train collecting as we knew it.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72919	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/1/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72920	From: calleytwo	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72921	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: The end of S Gauge toy train collecting as we knew it.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72922	From: calleytwo	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: #50 DISTRICT SCHOOL HOUSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72923	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCHOOL HOUSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72924	From: Paul	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: try this link for the school #50
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72925	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72926	From: alan smith	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Re: #50 DISTRICT SCHOOL HOUSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72927	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72928	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72929	From: tennsgauger	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72930	From: traindavid	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Dial up not compatible with new format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72931	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/1/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72932	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: CCT review of Flyonel SD70ACe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72933	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72934	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: New project on STUMPY'S STATION!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72935	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72936	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: New project on STUMPY'S STATION!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72937	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: I know not what course others may take
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72938	From: Dave	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72939	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: What New Format???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72940	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Photos Posted - Restored 561 Billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72941	From: richs009	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: Photos Posted - Restored 561 Billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72942	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72943	From: jhannawald	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: What New Format???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72944	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: Photos Posted - Restored 561 Billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72945	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: What New Format???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72946	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Re: What New Format???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72947	From: poniaj	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72948	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72949	From: ThomasH	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Don't think so, wuz Re: "New Format is a LOSER!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72950	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: New Format - What's New???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72951	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Re: Answering Billboard Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72952	From: rick gough	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Re: Photos Posted - Restored 561 Billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72953	From: bstilesaf	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: AF Circus GIRAFFE wagon?!?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72954	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/4/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72955	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/4/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72956	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 9/4/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72957	From: herbw202	Date: 9/4/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72958	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/4/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72959	From: poniaj	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72960	From: herbw202	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72961	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72962	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72963	From: G C	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6170
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72964	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72965	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72966	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72967	From: EDWARD	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: New Format, from a moderator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72968	From: alan smith	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Fwd: for ole Stumpy's delight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72969	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72970	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72971	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: for ole Stumpy's delight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72972	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Fwd: How to Return to the Old Yahoo Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72973	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72974	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: New: STUMPY'S MACHINE starts today
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72975	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72976	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72977	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72978	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72979	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72980	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/8/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72981	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72982	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72983	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72984	From: racin510	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72985	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72986	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72987	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/8/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72988	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/8/2013
Subject: Train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72989	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/8/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/8/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72990	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/8/2013
Subject: Adding Photos To Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72991	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/8/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Chimney for #50 District School (Repro)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72992	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/9/2013
Subject: Re: Adding Photos To Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72993	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/9/2013
Subject: Re: Adding Photos To Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72994	From: poniaj	Date: 9/9/2013
Subject: Re: Adding Photos To Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72995	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: What new format?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72996	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: Re: Adding Photos To Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72997	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: Re: What new format?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72998	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: Re: What new format?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 72999	From: poniaj	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: Re: What new format?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73000	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: 360/364 Engine Combo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73001	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: 766 Guilford Parts Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73002	From: alan smith	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: Re: What new format?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73003	From: David	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73004	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73005	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: 360/364 Engine Combo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73006	From: Michael Rector	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: What new format?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73007	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73008	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Seattle hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73009	From: William J Gill	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: Seattle hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73010	From: alan smith	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73011	From: The Reardon's	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: Seattle hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73012	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73013	From: rep928	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Mint 705 Uncouplers in Original Boxes; 314AW Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73014	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: 766 Guilford Parts Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73015	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73016	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73017	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73018	From: alhbaker	Date: 9/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73019	From: alan smith	Date: 9/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73020	From: David	Date: 9/12/2013
Subject: FICUS PRODUCTS (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73021	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73022	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73023	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: Re: Ebay and Shipping Costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73024	From: David	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: FREE U.P. Decals - USA Only (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73025	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE Week 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73026	From: David	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: NEW CJ Side Rods Arrived (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73027	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: Re: 766 Guilford Parts Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73028	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: Re: Ebay and Shipping Costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73029	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/14/2013
Subject: Re: Ebay and Shipping Costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73030	From: alan smith	Date: 9/14/2013
Subject: Re: Ebay and Shipping Costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73031	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/14/2013
Subject: Re: Ebay and Shipping Costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73032	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/14/2013
Subject: NEW OFFERING (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73033	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/14/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/15/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73034	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/15/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/15/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73035	From: hunbet	Date: 9/15/2013
Subject: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73036	From: carl4flyer	Date: 9/15/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73037	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/15/2013
Subject: Who prepairs Lionel's catalogs ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73038	From: David	Date: 9/16/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item at bid-sales (LBR Enterprises,llc) Advertisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73039	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 9/16/2013
Subject: Re: Seattle hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73040	From: hunbet	Date: 9/16/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73041	From: racin510	Date: 9/16/2013
Subject: Re: Seattle hobby shops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73042	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 9/16/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73043	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: Up Date To Our Universal Power Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73044	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: Re: Who prepairs Lionel's catalogs ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73045	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: Checking posting capability
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73046	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: 12B transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73047	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73048	From: EDWARD	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: Possible old format solution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73049	From: David	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: LBR NEW Power Trucks At Auction (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73050	From: David	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Power Trucks For Link Operators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73051	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Re: Possible old format solution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73052	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Re: Possible old format solution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73053	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73054	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73055	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Lionel/American Flyer Special
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73056	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73057	From: snstrains	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: S-Helper Reefers for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73058	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Reefers for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73059	From: DennisC	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: What gives on this crazy new site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73060	From: snstrains	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Reefers for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73061	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Engine runs only forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73062	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73063	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73064	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73065	From: David	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: NEW Full Contact Link Power Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73066	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73067	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73068	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73069	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73070	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73071	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73072	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73073	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73074	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for 9/20/13
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73075	From: mike boyd	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73076	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73077	From: David	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM at our bid-sales at LBR (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73078	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73079	From: David	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: NEW PRODUCTS AT FICUS PRODUCTS (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73080	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73081	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73082	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73083	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73084	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Unable to see or post pictures.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73085	From: David	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Why full contact trucks?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73086	From: scaler164	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: FOR SALE : Aztec Track Cleaning Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73087	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Give me more power!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73088	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Re: Give me more power!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73089	From: James Lyle	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Re: Give me more power!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73090	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/22/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73091	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Re: Give me more power!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73092	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Off Topic - Lionel buyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73093	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: SETS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73094	From: traindavid	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: OT Delta Queen Steamboat needs your help NOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73095	From: scaler164	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: SOLD : Aztec Track Cleaning Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73096	From: David	Date: 9/22/2013
Subject: Un-published VERY Special Offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73097	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/22/2013
Subject: Give me more power!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73098	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/22/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/22/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73099	From: Brady	Date: 9/22/2013
Subject: Re: Give me more power!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73100	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 9/22/2013
Subject: A.F. Lay-out for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73101	From: David	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: Re: Give me more power!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73102	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: LBR Kit Bashing Hint ;o)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73103	From: ham_45242	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: Two versions of #591 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73104	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: For Sale: S Scale engines and cars NIB
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73105	From: danvandermause	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: Looking for Passenger Car Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73106	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: Re: Two versions of #591 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73107	From: mpcantu88	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: Re: Quartering Drives & quartering tools
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73108	From: markaflyer	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: Quartering Drives & quartering tools
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73109	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: Quartering Drives & quartering tools
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73110	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: 5 NEW Items At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73111	From: ham_45242	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: Two versions of #591 Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73112	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: Quartering Drives & quartering tools
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73113	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: New Format - Awful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73114	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: New Format - Awful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73115	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: New Format - Awful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73116	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: New Format: Awful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73117	From: danvandermause	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73118	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: AF Truck Up-Grade Un-Published Special Up Date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73119	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: New Format: Awful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73120	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Thank You - from Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73121	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: New Format - Awful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73122	From: johntech	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Un-published VERY Special Offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73123	From: Dr Trains	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73124	From: poniaj	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73125	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73126	From: danvandermause	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73127	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73128	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73129	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Re: Un-published VERY Special Offer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73130	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73131	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: How to contact group member "off list"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73132	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Things are looking up!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73133	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: + New Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73134	From: mpcantu88	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: American Flyer Accessories needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73135	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Re: + New Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73136	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Ties for 25071 tie car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73137	From: bud9351	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73138	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: For Sale: NIB 49604 Western Pacific California Zephyr Set & add-on c
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73139	From: componenx	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: New member says hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73140	From: rjk_socal	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: New Format - Awful
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73141	From: herbw202	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73142	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Double Feature on STUMPY'S MACHINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73143	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: New member says hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73144	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: New member says hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73145	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: Ties for 25071 tie car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73146	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: Ties for 25071 tie car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73147	From: Dr Trains	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73148	From: Michael Cantu	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73149	From: alfred ulrop	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73150	From: alfred ulrop	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73151	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/28/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73152	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 9/28/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73153	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/28/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/29/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73154	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/29/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/29/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73155	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/30/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM ay your "Bid-Sales" (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73156	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 9/30/2013
Subject: Train Table For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73157	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/1/2013
Subject: Up Grade Your AF 6 Wheel Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73158	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 10/1/2013
Subject: New e-Book Coming (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73159	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73160	From: componenx	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Re: New member says hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73161	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73162	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Re: Ask a Lawyer...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73163	From: Richard Reichard	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Rail Bending & Switch Building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73164	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Re: Ask a Lawyer...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73165	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Re: New member says hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73166	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: New member says hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73167	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73168	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73169	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73170	From: alan smith	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73171	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73172	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73173	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73174	From: componenx	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: New member says hello
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73175	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73176	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE takes on Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73177	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73178	From: traindavid	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: 4449 bulbs--was engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73179	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE takes on Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73180	From: alan smith	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE takes on Yahoo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73181	From: William J Gill	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73182	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73183	From: Greg	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: S Gauge Thomas the Tank Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73184	From: alan smith	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73185	From: snstrains	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: 1449 bulbs--was engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73186	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: S-Scale Decal Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73187	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73188	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73189	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Dry transfers or water decals for a 499
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73190	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: S-Scale Making Decal Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73191	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: "Prairie Dog" Part Two posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73192	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Re: Dry transfers or water decals for a 499
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73193	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: FREE: Red, White & Blue Union Pacific Herald Decals (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73194	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: FREE Decal Offer Ends 10-31-2013 (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73195	From: poniaj	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Making Decal Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73196	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Train Table For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73197	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Re: Dry transfers or water decals for a 499
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73198	From: jvmandell	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 13, 2013
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73199	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Making Decal Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73200	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Re: Dry transfers or water decals for a 499
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73201	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/6/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73202	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/6/2013
Subject: TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED - OPEN HOUSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73203	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/6/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/6/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73204	From: rudypenne	Date: 10/6/2013
Subject: Re: WEB SITE UP ADVERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73205	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/6/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73206	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/6/2013
Subject: York Week OPEN HOUSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73207	From: rjk_socal	Date: 10/7/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73208	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73209	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73210	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73211	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73212	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73213	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73214	From: The Reardon's	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Decal Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73215	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73216	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73217	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Decal Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73218	From: mikenguy9	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73219	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Narrow gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73220	From: rudypenne	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73221	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73222	From: herbw202	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73223	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: What's NEW in "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73224	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Decal Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73225	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Decal Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73226	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73227	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: S-Scale Decal Questions (thank you)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73228	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73229	From: traindavid	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to scale: WAS Visiting Delaware in Nov. and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73230	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73231	From: Bob South	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73232	From: snstrains	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73233	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73234	From: Carey Probst	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73235	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to scale: WAS Visiting Delaware in Nov. and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73236	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: . . . . . (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73237	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73238	From: alan smith	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73239	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73240	From: The Reardon's	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73241	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to scale: WAS Visiting Delaware in Nov. and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73242	From: David Highfield	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73243	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to scale: WAS Visiting Delaware in Nov. and
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73244	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73245	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73246	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73247	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73248	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/10/2013
Subject: SUPER CUSTOM Caboose Is Here (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73249	From: racin510	Date: 10/10/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73250	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/10/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73251	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73252	From: richs009	Date: 10/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73253	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/11/2013
Subject: Humor on STUMPY'S MACHINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73254	From: rhicks308	Date: 10/11/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73255	From: portlines	Date: 10/11/2013
Subject: NASG 2013 AM FLYER CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73256	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/12/2013
Subject: For Sale: Remaining Lionel Flyer & AM rolling stock discounted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73257	From: sjbiat	Date: 10/12/2013
Subject: Technical Quesitons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73258	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/12/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/13/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73259	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Re: Technical Quesitons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73260	From: sjbiat	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Re: Technical Quesitons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73261	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/13/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73262	From: bstilesaf	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: #755 talking station-bought for $15!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73263	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Looking for VHS Tape About York Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73264	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Re: #755 talking station-bought for $15!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73265	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73267	From: rudypenne	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Re: #755 talking station-bought for $15!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73268	From: mike gardner	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Re: Technical Quesitons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73269	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73270	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: Re: Technical Quesitons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73271	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: Re: #755 talking station-bought for $15!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73272	From: lou342ac	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: Re: Technical Quesitons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73273	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: NEXT SUPER CUSTOM Caboose Is Here (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73274	From: scaler164	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: Follow Up : WANTED : SHS Product Catalog Issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73275	From: racin510	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: Re: #755 talking station-bought for $15!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73276	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 10/15/2013
Subject: Karnes e-Book Now Available! (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73277	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/15/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73278	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/15/2013
Subject: 771 Restoration Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73279	From: wjjim2001	Date: 10/15/2013
Subject: SHS Available at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73280	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 10/16/2013
Subject: Re: Track planning software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73281	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/17/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73282	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Today on STUMPY'S MACHINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73283	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: THE NEXT SUPER CUSTOM Caboose Is Here ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73284	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73285	From: edwiehe1	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Re: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73286	From: aftrains4u	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Re: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73287	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Re: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73288	From: snstrains	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Re: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73289	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: Re: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73290	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: Converting DC motors to AC...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73291	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73292	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/20/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73293	From: Dave	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73294	From: wcbeverly	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: Slim Gauge Guild Open House 11/3+5
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73295	From: rpuls3	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: Up Grade Your AF 6 Wheel Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73296	From: rick.flaherty	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Brass 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73297	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: Up Grade Your AF 6 Wheel Trucks (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73298	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73299	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73300	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/20/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73301	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73302	From: rudypenne	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73303	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73304	From: EDWARD	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: temporary solution to old format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73305	From: richs009	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73306	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: replies to my PCC in S question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73307	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: Temporary solution BLOCKED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73308	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: Temporary solution BLOCKED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73309	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: Temporary solution BLOCKED!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73310	From: trndad	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: replies to my PCC in S question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73311	From: bstilesaf	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Stock cars for AF circus train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73312	From: rick gough	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: Stock cars for AF circus train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73313	From: bstilesaf	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: Stock cars for AF circus train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73314	From: Don McGinnis	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Looking For Some Rolling Stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73315	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73316	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: The NEXT Super Cuistom Caboose Is Here (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73317	From: bstilesaf	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: Rolling stock wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73318	From: amflyer336	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: Re: replies to my PCC in S question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73319	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73320	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: Re: Stock cars for AF circus train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73321	From: mpcantu88	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: AF cars needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73322	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: What doyou want to see? (Advertisemet)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73323	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: Sinclair Decals - Yahoo Group Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73324	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: Re: Sinclair Decals - Yahoo Group Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73325	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: Re: Sinclair Decals - Yahoo Group Club Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73326	From: Dr Trains	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: Re: Looking For Some Rolling Stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73327	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: KCS rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73328	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Illuminated Number Boards ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73329	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Kansas City Southern rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73330	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Switch machines without plunges...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73331	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Re: Stock cars for AF circus train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73332	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73333	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Re: Stock cars for AF circus train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73334	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73335	From: snstrains	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73336	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/25/2013
Subject: "Train Wrecks" on STUMPY'S MACHINE!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73337	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/25/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73338	From: ken garber	Date: 10/25/2013
Subject: Bridge Rectifiers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73339	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/25/2013
Subject: Re: Bridge Rectifiers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73340	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item is at your "BID-SALES" (Advertisem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73341	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: Train-O-Rama display included in set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73342	From: Bruce	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73343	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/27/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73344	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73345	From: Bruce	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73346	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73347	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/27/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73348	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73349	From: Bruce	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73350	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Crossing Signal Activation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73351	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Crossing Signal Activation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73352	From: mike_fuschetto	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73353	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73354	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73355	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73356	From: snstrains	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73357	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73358	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Crossing Signal Activation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73359	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73360	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Crossing Signal Activation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73361	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: For sale: Gilbert track, switches, & track locks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73362	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Wire Gauge.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73363	From: downtowndeco	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Large warehouse flats available again.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73364	From: edwiehe1	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73365	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73366	From: richs009	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Crossing Signal Activation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73367	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73368	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73369	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73370	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73371	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73372	From: mpcantu88	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: AF Diesel engines and parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73373	From: snstrains	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: AF Diesel engines and parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73374	From: snstrains	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73375	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73376	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73377	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73378	From: johntech	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73379	From: Dave	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73380	From: Dave	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73381	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertiseme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73382	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73383	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: xtrkcad parameter file and layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73384	From: milorod53	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73385	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73386	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73387	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73388	From: snstrains	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73389	From: Dave	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73390	From: wjgill1	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73391	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73392	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73393	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flye motors faster in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73394	From: johntech	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73395	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73396	From: doerryn	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73397	From: rhicks308	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73398	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flye motors faster in reverse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73399	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73400	From: tiga34@att.net	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73401	From: snstrains	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73402	From: nyc17819@...	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: AF Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73403	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73404	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73405	From: Dave	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73406	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: AF Diesel engines and parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73407	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73408	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73409	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73410	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: Something wrong
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73411	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: Something wrong
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73412	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73413	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73414	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73415	From: alan smith	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73416	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73417	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73418	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73419	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: History's UGLIEST Cars?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73420	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: xtrkcad parameter file and layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73421	From: stevew970	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73422	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73423	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73424	From: calleytwo	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73425	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: AF Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73426	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: LTI Northern Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73427	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: AF #977 Lantern Man (Advertisement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73428	From: m.harvazinski	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: Information on AF 5-digit seam engine boxes.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73429	From: paflyrman	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: Off Topic - Message Glitch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73430	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/3/2013, 6:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73431	From: Sam and Judy W.	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: Re: LTI Northern Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73432	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: Lionel Flyer SD70 UP Non-Powered AF 48167
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73433	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: Flyer K335 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73434	From: 1sodak	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: 974 Automatic Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73435	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Re: 974 Automatic Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73436	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer K335 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73437	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer K335 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73438	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/3/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73439	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73440	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Re: 974 Automatic Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73441	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisemen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73442	From: traindavid	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Re: OT Message Glitch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73443	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertiseme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73444	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: LBR #13977 Rubber Man w/operating red lantern (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73445	From: Eric	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: S Helper Trains - FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73446	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: For Sale: 36 years of S Gaugians
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73447	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT message glitch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73448	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: "Prairie Dog" part 3 is posted.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73449	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: Information on AF 5-digit seam engine boxes.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73450	From: poniaj	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT message glitch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73451	From: Dave	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT message glitch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73452	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT message glitch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73453	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: LED People ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73454	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT message glitch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73455	From: 1sodak	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: 974 Automatic Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73456	From: whutton	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: S Fest Janesville Wisconsin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73457	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: xtrkcad parameter file and layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73458	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT Message Glitch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73459	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: #13977 Illuminated Brake Man Kit ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73460	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: Re: xtrkcad parameter file and layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73461	From: hudsoncentralrr	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: AM D&H caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73462	From: rzuerlein2001	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: Re: #13977 Illuminated Brake Man Kit ;o) (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73463	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: For sale: Gilbert curved thin-tie rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73464	From: richs009	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: Re: AF Track Radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73465	From: rick.flaherty	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: 4-8-8-4 Big boy pulsed smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73466	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: For Sale: NIB 49600 UP Pony Express Set with add-on cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73467	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/6/2013
Subject: Outside of Track Tie Radius = 20 inch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73468	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/7/2013
Subject: For Sale: Remaining Flyonel & AM equipment discounted, and newly acq
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73469	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/7/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE moves to Thursdays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73470	From: rudypenne	Date: 11/7/2013
Subject: Re: For Sale: Remaining Flyonel & AM equipment discounted, and new..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73471	From: Eric	Date: 11/7/2013
Subject: S helper Items for sale revised
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73472	From: snstrains	Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Washington set for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73473	From: snstrains	Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Docksider for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73474	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 11/9/2013
Subject: Ceramic Buildings For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73475	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/9/2013
Subject: NEW Item at your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73476	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 11/9/2013
Subject: Re: Ceramic Buildings For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73477	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/9/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/10/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73478	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/10/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/10/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73479	From: Joe Santucci	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Need some help with 18B transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73480	From: johntech	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: 370 Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73481	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Need some help with 18B transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73482	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Need some help with 18B transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73483	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Need some help with 18B transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73484	From: rhicks308	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Need some help with 18B transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73485	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/12/2013
Subject: Re: Need some help with 18B transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73486	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/12/2013
Subject: For Sale: 36 years of S Gaugians
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73487	From: Timboy	Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Re: "Prairie Dog" part 3 is posted.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73488	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertiseme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73489	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Re: Prairie Dog Part Three posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73490	From: wyoaf	Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: Miller Engineering American Flyer Shield Lighted Sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73491	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for November 14
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73492	From: racin510	Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: Re: Miller Engineering American Flyer Shield Lighted Sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73493	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: Truck Attachment Technique
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73494	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: Frame Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73495	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: Re: Frame Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73496	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: Re: Frame Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73497	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/17/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73498	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/17/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/17/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73499	From: mlprell	Date: 11/17/2013
Subject: AF Rocket Launcher # 25046
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73500	From: Timboy	Date: 11/17/2013
Subject: Re: Prairie Dog Part Three posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73501	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/17/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73502	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/17/2013
Subject: Re: Prairie Dog Part Three
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73503	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/18/2013
Subject: Caboose Weights (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73504	From: ecphora123	Date: 11/18/2013
Subject: Re: Prairie Dog Part Three
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73505	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/18/2013
Subject: Re: The original kit basher - was RE: RE: Prairie Dog Part Three
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73506	From: alhbaker	Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Af 630/930 Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73507	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/20/2013
Subject: Lionel Hopper Cars Have Arrived
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73508	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/20/2013
Subject: Re: AF 630/930 Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73509	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/21/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel Hopper Cars Have Arrived
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73510	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/21/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for November 21
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73511	From: vu68	Date: 11/21/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel Hopper Cars Have Arrived
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73512	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/21/2013
Subject: Re: RRTrack software was RE: Lionel Hopper Cars Have Arrived
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73513	From: vu68	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: Re: RRTrack software was RE: Lionel Hopper Cars Have Arrived
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73514	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertiseme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73515	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: AF Franklin Can Motor (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73516	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: Caboose Weights Arrive (Adsvertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73517	From: rudypenne	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: Re: Caboose Weights Arrive (Adsvertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73518	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: Re: AF Franklin Can Motor (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73519	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Caboose Weights Arrive (Adsvertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73520	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Scullin Drivers Arrive Dec. 2013 (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73521	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: S helper track Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73522	From: rudypenne	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Caboose Weights (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73523	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/24/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73524	From: rudypenne	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Caboose Weights (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73525	From: rick.flaherty	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Brass 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73526	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Re: Caboose Weights (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73527	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/24/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73528	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Re: S helper track Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73529	From: joez3	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: new defender set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73530	From: snstrains	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Re: new defender set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73531	From: sgaugerart	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Re: new defender set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73532	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Re: new defender set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73533	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73534	From: snstrains	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73535	From: R G	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73536	From: John Keating	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73537	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: new defender set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73538	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73539	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Brass 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73540	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73541	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73542	From: Rick	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Brass 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73543	From: JOHN KEATING	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73544	From: rudypenne	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: # BOARDS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73545	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: # BOARDS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73546	From: snstrains	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: # BOARDS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73547	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: Brass 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73548	From: richs009	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: speaking of 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73549	From: Rick	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73550	From: racin510	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73551	From: Rick	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73552	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73553	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73554	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73555	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73556	From: Rick	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73557	From: myflyertrains	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Erector Set Model - The Falkirk Wheel!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73558	From: richs009	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73559	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Thanksgiving STUMPY'S MACHINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73560	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Re: AF Rocket Launcher # 25046
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73561	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Truck Spreaders From FICUS PRODUCTS of OHIO (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73562	From: snstrains	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73563	From: EDWARD	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73564	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73565	From: stephen.terni	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: Re: AF Rocket Launcher # 25046
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73566	From: michael prell	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: AF #25046 Rocket Launcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73567	From: mlprell	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: Re: AF Rocket Launcher # 25046
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73568	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: FICUS BRAND Authorizes LBR To Sell Spreaders (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73569	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: For Sale: Four NIB American Models & S-Helper Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73570	From: bobgarm	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving STUMPY'S MACHINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73571	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: diagram for Bell Danger Signal No 23753
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73572	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: St Louis train club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73573	From: herbw202	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: St Louis train club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73574	From: rhicks308	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: diagram for Bell Danger Signal No 23753
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73575	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: liveauctioneers auction site--opinions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73576	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: liveauctioneers auction site--opinions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73577	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: S-Helper bumper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73578	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper bumper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73579	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/1/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73580	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper bumper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73581	From: James Lyle	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper bumper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73582	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Gilbert Switch Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73583	From: rpuls3	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: Any Ideas on Removing Paint Overspray from Plastic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73584	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73585	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert Switch Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73586	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: St Louis train club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73587	From: johntech	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert Switch Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73588	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert Switch Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73589	From: Jim Alessio	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: A.C. Gilbert - The man who saved Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73590	From: traindavid	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Gilbert switch problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73591	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/1/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73592	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Pre-Christmas Sale (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73593	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper bumper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73594	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/2/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert Switch Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73595	From: momhondo	Date: 12/2/2013
Subject: SHS Reading caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73596	From: Dr Trains	Date: 12/2/2013
Subject: Re: St Louis train club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73597	From: snstrains	Date: 12/2/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Reading caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73598	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/2/2013
Subject: Trainworld sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73599	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: LotS of S for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73600	From: poniaj	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: Re: Trainworld sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73601	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: Re: Trainworld sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73602	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: "Prairie Dog" Project Part Four
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73603	From: tw_y10	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: S-Helper SW-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73604	From: vito4cal	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: 2014 S West 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73605	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73606	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73607	From: richs009	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: Erector Set Model - The Falkirk Wheel!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73608	From: calleytwo	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73609	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73610	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73611	From: pkrae	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73612	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73613	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73614	From: David Highfield	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73615	From: aftrains4u	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Available American Flyer Added to Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73616	From: Timboy	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73617	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73618	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Dec. 5th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73619	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: READING RR Passenger Cars (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73620	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Wow Toyz kitbashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73621	From: bruce weidner	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: Wow Toyz kitbashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73622	From: jtkeating	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73623	From: af4mark	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: how to remove aluminum passenger car floor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73624	From: R G	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: Re: how to remove aluminum passenger car floor?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73625	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73626	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73627	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73628	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Dec. 5th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73629	From: Timboy	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Dec. 5th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73630	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Dec. 5th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73631	From: af4mark	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: removing aluminum car floor: Thanks to RG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73632	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: The Supply Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73633	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: LTI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73634	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert pig
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73635	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/8/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73636	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73637	From: snstrains	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: LTI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73638	From: stephen.terni	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: SHS Christmas Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73639	From: Eric	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73640	From: sgaugerart	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73641	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: About STUMPY'S MACHINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73642	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73643	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73644	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/8/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73645	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73646	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73647	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73648	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73649	From: stephen.terni	Date: 12/9/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73650	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 12/9/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73651	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 12/9/2013
Subject: Re: Switch Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73652	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: SHS Seaboard boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73653	From: northern83113	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: lionel buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73654	From: Al	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Re: LTI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73655	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Re: LTI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73656	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Re: LTI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73657	From: bud9351	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Lionel cylindrical hoppers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73658	From: mike_fuschetto	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Set Box Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73659	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Re: Set Box Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73660	From: robbyking13	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: ebay listing of SW-1 B&M Locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73661	From: jhannawald	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Information for Flyonel Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73662	From: hudsoncentralrr	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel cylindrical hoppers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73663	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Information for Flyonel Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73664	From: alan smith	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Be advised Replacement Chimneys for AF buildings will be coming soo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73665	From: trndad	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Information for Flyonel Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73666	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Be advised Replacement Chimneys for AF buildings will be coming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73667	From: bud9351	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel cylindrical hoppers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73668	From: alan smith	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Be advised Replacement Chimneys for AF buildings will be coming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73669	From: henrykoshollek	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: AMERICAN MODELS #7517 "NEW HAVEN" WOOD-SIDED COPULA CABOOS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73670	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Dec. 12
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73671	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73672	From: trndad	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73673	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73674	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73675	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73676	From: alan smith	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73677	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/13/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73678	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/13/2013
Subject: LBR Brand SCULLIN Drivers Are Here (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73679	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 12/13/2013
Subject: Started with AF trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73680	From: bud9351	Date: 12/13/2013
Subject: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73681	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73682	From: bud9351	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73683	From: poniaj	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73684	From: johntech	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73685	From: bud9351	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73686	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: nichrome wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73687	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73688	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: nichrome wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73689	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/15/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73690	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73691	From: Rick	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: Re: Track cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73692	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: Sets for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73693	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: Flyonel Northerns for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73694	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: More Flyonel for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73695	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/15/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73696	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: Re: nichrome wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73697	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: Miller 88-1201- AC Gilbert Erector set billboard, Large
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73698	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 12/16/2013
Subject: Re: nichrome wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73699	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/16/2013
Subject: NEW ILLUMINATED NUMBER BOARDS (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73700	From: tw_y10	Date: 12/16/2013
Subject: UP SW-9 for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73701	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: AF #247xx Pass. Car Doors (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73702	From: The Laniers	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: AF #247xx Pass. Car Doors (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73703	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: AF #247xx Pass. Car Doors (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73704	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: NASG 2013 PP&L Hoppers--status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73705	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: NASG 2013 PP&L Hoppers--status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73706	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Rebushing diesel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73707	From: wjjim2001	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: Rebushing diesel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73708	From: bud9351	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73709	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73710	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: Rebushing diesel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73711	From: snstrains	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Rebushing diesel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73712	From: tomminil	Date: 12/18/2013
Subject: Re: Rebushing diesel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73713	From: snstrains	Date: 12/18/2013
Subject: Rebushing diesel chassis FOLLOWUP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73714	From: snstrains	Date: 12/18/2013
Subject: CP flat car w/trees for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73715	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Love of Trains"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73716	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73717	From: traindavid	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Re: rebushing diesel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73718	From: racin510	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73719	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: diesel truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73720	From: R G	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73721	From: snstrains	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73722	From: gsc3	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Swap for American Flyer 652 Pullman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73723	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73724	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Re: rebushing diesel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73725	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73726	From: Tom David	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73727	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Re: rebushing diesel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73728	From: trndad	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73729	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Re: rebushing diesel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73730	From: c100495	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Action Caboose 25052
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73731	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Truck bushing jig
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73732	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Circus Engine Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73733	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73734	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73735	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Circus Engine Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73736	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Action Caboose 25052
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73737	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Circus Engine Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73738	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73739	From: c100495	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Action Caboose 25052
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73740	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: incorrect ones RE: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73741	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Christmas Trains and Toy Trains in the Washington Post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73742	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/22/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73743	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Circus Engine Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73744	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/22/2013
Subject: S Scale GP38-2 for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73745	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/22/2013
Subject: Re: incorrect ones RE: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73746	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/22/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/22/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73747	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/22/2013
Subject: VWC trucks for AF Baldwin engines (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73748	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: American Flyer wind-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73749	From: rhicks308	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer wind-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73750	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73751	From: calleytwo	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer wind-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73752	From: mikenguy9	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer wind-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73753	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: Re: Christmas Trains and Toy Trains in the Washington Post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73754	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/24/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73755	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/24/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer wind-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73756	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/24/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73757	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 12/24/2013
Subject: RE: incorrect ones RE: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73758	From: alanlambert64	Date: 12/24/2013
Subject: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73759	From: Rick	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73760	From: alanlambert64	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73761	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73762	From: Obie Bell	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73763	From: richs009	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73764	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73765	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73766	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73767	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73768	From: John Asp	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73769	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: First Train still with me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73770	From: poniaj	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73771	From: James Lyle	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73772	From: Alan and Maggie Hill	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73773	From: alan smith	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73774	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73775	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73776	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73777	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: [livediesel] Re: New Topic-not really
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73778	From: polichar	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: My First Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73779	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73780	From: traindavid	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73781	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73782	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: My First Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73783	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73784	From: snstrains	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73785	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73786	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73787	From: lionely6b	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73788	From: EDWARD	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Christmas train, my train story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73789	From: alan smith	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Memories - we all cherish.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73790	From: calleytwo	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73791	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73792	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73793	From: Rick	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: Memories - we all cherish.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73794	From: Rick	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73795	From: John Asp	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73796	From: alanlambert64	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Memories.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73797	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: Memories.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73798	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: Memories - we all cherish.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73799	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: AWCT for pre-1966 AF Baldwin engines (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73800	From: Paul Krause	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: Memories - we all cherish.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73801	From: icehouse	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73802	From: gartrain404	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73803	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73804	From: zemouse2001	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73805	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73806	From: hunbet	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73807	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73808	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73809	From: Bill Adams	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: S gauge for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73810	From: zemouse2001	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73811	From: rhicks308	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73812	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: First Train and Bucket List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73813	From: alanlambert64	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73814	From: alan smith	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: First Train and Bucket List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73815	From: Bruce	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73816	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: My Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73817	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73818	From: tbennerohio	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: First Train and Flyonel Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73819	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: First Train and Bucket List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73820	From: rick gough	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73821	From: zemouse2001	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73822	From: Dave	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73823	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73824	From: Obie Bell	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73825	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: 65 yrs later - my first Amer Flyer.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73826	From: zemouse2001	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73827	From: tomminil	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73828	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73829	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Gilbert 370 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73830	From: rick gough	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73831	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert 370 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73832	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73833	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert 370 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73834	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/29/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73835	From: rick gough	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73836	From: doerryn	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Speed and Directional Control of American FLyer Trains version 2.1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73837	From: bstilesaf	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: WTB- broken red #653 combine car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73838	From: donmac304	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Moderator please contact...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73839	From: rick gough	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: WTB- broken red #653 combine car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73840	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73841	From: wjjim2001	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: The value of Association
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73842	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/29/2013, 5:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73843	From: henry_betz	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73844	From: snstrains	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: Getting train sets early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73845	From: calleytwo	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73846	From: Rick	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73847	From: rick gough	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73848	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73849	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73850	From: Stephen Terni	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73851	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Getting a train set early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73852	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Getting train sets early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73853	From: race944t	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: First Train and Bucket List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73854	From: rick gough	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73855	From: rick gough	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73856	From: Eric	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Engines for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73857	From: Eric	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Engines for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73858	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 12/31/2013
Subject: ==VIDEO: DC, point-to point, reversing shuttle controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73859	From: traindavid	Date: 12/31/2013
Subject: Bradford Dinner touch up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73860	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 12/31/2013
Subject: Happy new year.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 73861	From: John Metzger	Date: 12/31/2013
Subject: Re: Happy new year.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71141	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Re: NICROME WIRE

Thank You & Bowlsalot....Mike In a message dated 12/31/2012 6:44:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, len_hall@... writes: Hope this helps! _http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic1.htm_ (http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic1.htm) ________________________________ From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > To: _s-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: NICROME WIRE Can anyone give me the gauge & length of Nicrome wire for a standard smoke unit? Thank You, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71142	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Re: Help with SHS F-3 A unit

Dear David, Did you contact Dallas of Dallee the mfg. of the LM pcb? Don On Dec 31, 2012, at 7:01 PM, <djdewey@...> wrote: > HI all, > Another posting from my trip to Dunsmuir. My friend Mike has an SHS F-3 A&B > (SP Black Widow) that used to be his favorite engine set to run. He uses > traditional AC power, straight up, not remote controlling features (well, > whistle button). When he took it out of the box last year, it wouldn't run. > I tried it this year, and all it would do is Buzz loudly (from the speaker). > I took the shell off, and it would run normally, forward, neutral, reverse. > Put the shell on, nada. Putting the shell on connects the speaker to the > sound board, that's the only electrical difference I can find. I was playing > around, and found if I pushed the whistle button (DC pulse type), the engine > would run forward! Strange. . . . > Anyone else have any ideas? If not, it's going to have to go back to Dallee > for an operation! Unfortunately I did not bring it with me, so I won't know > if any fix works for a while! > Thanks all. > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71143	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Re: NICROME WIRE

I cover this in my Repair Guide. It is #40 Nichrome and you need about 8 inches (including the extra to pull through) to get the 35 - 45 ohms that produces lots of smoke and does not burn out prematurely. I show how to wind the wire around the angel hair (a better wick than the horsehair of the original). If you want to see this done, I have a "Companion Video" for the book and it shows smoke unit repair as well as other fix-it items. The URL for the video is: http://tombarker.net/TomBarkerWebsite/Repair_Clinic_Movie.html I have supplied (for free) thousands of feet of wire to anyone asking for it and including a self addressed, stamped envelope. I give away about 5 feet per 3 x 5 file card. My address is in the book. (Just a note. I'll be in Florida until March 3, so I may not be able to supply the wire in a timely fashion until I get back.) Happy smoking! Tom Barker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71144	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Reminder: The Gilbert Gallery has moved

I'm still getting messages from people who are visiting the old, obsolete website. Yahoo closed down its Geocities service and announced they were going to delete the website totally last July. (Obviously they haven't done it yet.) If you go to the website and see the word Geocities in the URL, you are at the old website, not the new one. Use the URL: TheGilbertGallery.org Bob Graves

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71145	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Re: FIRE !! A Safety Warning

These devices and many other things when defective will draw enough current to start a fire but not trip a circuit breaker or fuse. Some television etc. do have internal protection circuits which wil shut them down. At CSU Fullerton we had a air circulator motor freeze up and start a somewhat destructive fire in an incubator worth more than 10,000 dollars. I also had a power strip catch on fire all by itself for reasons unknown. I guess the message is always be vigilant about these things. Tony Cynor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71146	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Flyer 1950 Farm Set

A repro of a cardstock kit included in an American Flyer 1950 starter set.. http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/12129987982554846 Brady Sent from my Kindle Fire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71147	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer 1950 Farm Set

One of the 2 sets I always wanted, among others , was the Farm Set ( Circus the other )... It took some time but I finally got it all together..... Bob Conner --- On Tue, 1/1/13, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer 1950 Farm Set To: Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 4:04 PM   A repro of a cardstock kit included in an American Flyer 1950 starter set.. http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/displayForumTopic/content/12129987982554846 Brady Sent from my Kindle Fire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71148	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Genuine AF A.C.Gilbert boxes available

Gents.. I have seven AF boxes available as a group to the highest bidder. Here are the details: 1 box 2-1/8" x 3-1/4" x 8-1/2". Blue & yellow colors slightly faded. Back end held together with clear tape. Some stains on bottom. Small tear on top (1/2"). 3 boxes 2-1/8" x 3-1/4" x 10", Blue & yellow colors slightly faded. Taped flap on one, loose piece on one, small bare spot where price tag used to be on one, larger bare spot on one, one is marked "326 TANK CAR", brown stain on one end of one. 2 boxes 2-5/8" x 4" x 11-1/2". Blue & yellow colors slightly faded. One box marked "12 No. 700 STRAIGHT TRACK" has small stain spots on inside. The other box marked "12 No. 702 CURVE TRACK" has the largest flap torn 75% off (flap OK, just torn almost off). 1 box 4" x 6-1/2" x 12". Blue & yellow colors slightly faded. Marked "ONE PAIR No. 722A MANUAL CONTROL TRACK SWITCHES". Numerous rips and tears, but it is all holding together - so far. One side pushed in. Maybe could be fixed, but beyond my capability. Highest bid before Jan. 6th takes the entire group of boxes. I have no idea what these are worth and cannot place a price on them. Please respond OFF LIST if you have questions or to place a bid. Figure about $4 postage to the lower 48. Bid high and bid often..(grin).. Thanks...Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71149	From: Eric	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Some S trains for sale (mostly SHS and AM)

*Updated January 1, 2013* I still have a variety of extra cars left that I will not be using if I want to keep things moving around my layout. Everything is as described below, ask if you want more details. Make me an offer, especially on multiple items! Pictures of all this is on the Yahoo pictures site under �Erics stuff for sale� *Please note: I have updated this list but not necessarily the pictures!!!!!* #1: Group of 5 cars, I would like to sell as a group: All have hi-raIl wheels and knuckle couplers cars have been modified since pictures. All for $ 65 plus $10 shipping. note pictures show 6 cars. Gn 11082 boxcar, AM, knuckles GN 71470 yellow Kris AF flyer refer car, ace floor, knuckles. NP 25504 boxcar, AM, knuckles NP 1094 boxcar NASG 1994 L-AF convention car, ace floor, ace trucks, Am knuckles NP 98446 refer car AM, ace trucks, AM knuckles 2. SHS 01173 Canadian National Panelside hopper New in box, Knuckles, both wheel sets $30 3. SHS 01171 Anderson panelside hopper new in box, Knuckles, both wheel sets $30 4. SHS #01262 Frisco #1 Caboose (1275) new in box, Knuckles, both wheel sets $45 5. Lionel Flyer Passenger car, small dome, knuckle couplers removed, knuckles added to base. $35 6. AM BNSF SD60 #9297 (9299 was sold) DC ( have the AC board and can put it back in) hirail engine has a broken stantion at rear, see picture. $175 7. SHS BN Hopper 424702 used, both type wheels, Kadees on car knuckles in box . $35 8. SHS BN hopper 42741 used, both type wheels, Kadees on car knuckles in box . $35 9. SHS BN hopper42423 used, both type wheels, Kadees on car knuckles in box . $35 10. SHS GN flat car 00167 used, both type wheels, Kadees on car knuckles in box . $35 11. 00178 SHS Tofc B and A, state of maine, new in box, Knuckles, both wheel sets. $50 12. 00178 SHS Tofc B and A, state of maine, new in box, Knuckles, both wheel sets. $50 Shipping needs to be added�. about $8 for one car and about $2 more for each beyond that, engine about $12. Everything *not* labeled new in box has been lightly used but could probably pass for new. If you make an offer on anything I will double check it and email you with any conditions. Let me know if you have an interest. If you do not need some wheels or couplers I can discount for that. *MAKE AN OFFER ON ANYTHING!!* Eric Reis, Kenmore, WA. Ericrhere(at)gmail(dot)com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71150	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Blatant Sale ad..... TOY TRAINS 1951 - 54

I have an almost complete set, missing I believe 1 issue. All mags are in nice condition with a few minor problems in 1 or 3 issues..... These have all kinds of good articles and pictures of lots of AF stuff.... Will post a list of all issues soon..... Offers.... Most all have the cut outs untouched..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71151	From: Brady	Date: 1/1/2013
Subject: Signal Project

A Bachmann HO signal converted to S, with the spare signal-head turned into a dwarf signal.. http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/signalproject/signalcomparison.JPG On the main. The relay shed is a Clever Models kit.. http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/signalproject/signaltrackside.JPG The signals aren't perfect S, but they're very cheap, available and there's no sensors or wiring. Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71152	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/2/2013
Subject: Re: Reminder: The Gilbert Gallery has moved

Bob, I have changed the links to your site that appear on my AmericanFlyer Displays website, so at least I won't be perpetuating visits to the old and perhaps soon to be defunct website. Dale On 1/1/2013 10:41 AM, The Upstairs Train wrote: > > I'm still getting messages from people who are visiting the old, > obsolete website. Yahoo closed down its Geocities service and > announced they were going to delete the website totally last July. > (Obviously they haven't done it yet.) If you go to the website and see > the word Geocities in the URL, you are at the old website, not the new > one. > > Use the URL: TheGilbertGallery.org > > Bob Graves > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71153	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2013
Subject: Re: Reminder: The Gilbert Gallery has moved

Thank you!   Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ________________________________ From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder: The Gilbert Gallery has moved   Bob, I have changed the links to your site that appear on my AmericanFlyer Displays website, so at least I won't be perpetuating visits to the old and perhaps soon to be defunct website. Dale On 1/1/2013 10:41 AM, The Upstairs Train wrote: > > I'm still getting messages from people who are visiting the old, > obsolete website. Yahoo closed down its Geocities service and > announced they were going to delete the website totally last July. > (Obviously they haven't done it yet.) If you go to the website and see > the word Geocities in the URL, you are at the old website, not the new > one. > > Use the URL: TheGilbertGallery.org > > Bob Graves > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71154	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/2/2013
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert 48T Royal Blue Freight Set

I am selling a nice Gilbert 48T Royal Blue Freight Set for a friend. It makes a great starter set; I know, because that's the first set I got as a kid, and my Royal Blue engine still runs great and I've pulled 13 cars behind it.  (If you want to add 10 more cars to the set, I have plenty available.) Overall, this set is in TCA C-6 condition. There's the original wrapper for the engine and original box for the uncoupler, both in excellent condition, but no other boxes or paperwork. The engine has been thoroughly cleaned and serviced; it runs and reverses reliably. Using the 2012 TM Guide book values (adjusted for condition), I would say the set is worth about $220. Make offer. Pictures are available on my website:          thegilbertgallery.org/For Sale Pages/for_sale_sets.html Note: because of the spaces in the URL, you can't click the link above; you have to copy it and paste it into your browser. Also listed on the website are a lot of other American Flyer engines, cars, track, etc., Plasticville buildings, and Plasticville parts:          thegilbertgallery.org/For Sale Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html          thegilbertgallery.org/For Sale Pages/for_sale_Plasticville.html          thegilbertgallery.org/For Sale Pages/for_sale_Plasticville_parts.html Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71155	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 1/4/2013
Subject: AF Metal Tenders

I see that some of the older steamers have "metal" tenders; I know about the stamped-metal type, but did some have a die-cast tender? Mark Mugnai

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71156	From: Rich	Date: 1/4/2013
Subject: Re: AF Metal Tenders

Mark -- yes, the Pennsy K-5 Pacific, the NYC Hudson and the UP 4-8-4 all had die-cast metal tenders - at least the three-digit versions of these did. I don't know about the five-digit versions. Nor do I know whether the Lionel remakes of the 4-8-4 (several versions) have metal tenders. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Mugnai" wrote: > > I see that some of the older steamers have "metal" tenders; I know about the stamped-metal type, but did some have a die-cast tender? > > Mark Mugnai >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71157	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/4/2013
Subject: Re: AF Metal Tenders

Hi Mark, � All American Flyer K-5, Hudson, 0-8-0 Switcher and Northern have die cast metal tenders with two exceptions. The 1958 21115 K5 had a plastic tender and the 21130 Hudson had a plastic tender, Atlantic locomotives had stamped metal tenders up to 1952, In 1953 to the end of production all of the Atlantic locomotives had plastic tenders as did the 282, 283, 21085, 293,  and 21096 Pacific Locomotives.  The 350 Royal Blue, 353 Circus Engine, the 354 & 356 Silver Bullet Locomotives all has stamped metal tenders. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Mark Mugnai To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Metal Tenders   I see that some of the older steamers have "metal" tenders; I know about the stamped-metal type, but did some have a die-cast tender? Mark Mugnai [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71158	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 1/4/2013
Subject: Re: AF Metal Tenders

Tom and Rich Got it; thanks for the info... Mark Mugnai --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Mugnai" wrote: > > I see that some of the older steamers have "metal" tenders; I know about the stamped-metal type, but did some have a die-cast tender? > > Mark Mugnai >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71159	From: David	Date: 1/4/2013
Subject: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising)

Do you want operating RED & GREEN marker lighting installed in your pre-1966 AF steam engine & tender. Please see our WINTER SPECIAL at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Repair-Services.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Repair-Services.html> Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71160	From: Rich	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising)

Dave -- do you sell or would you consider selling the marker lights separately - like you do the tender reverse lights? Do these markers fit into the existing holes in the rear deck of tender or front of the engines? Your web site doesn't seem to show pictures of these - or at least I didn't find a picture. thanks, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > > Do you want operating RED & GREEN marker lighting installed in your > pre-1966 AF steam engine & tender. Please see our WINTER SPECIAL at: > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Repair-Services.html > > > Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71161	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising)

Rich, � You and more than 100 other AF high rail modelers have asked the same question. So, in order to try to satisfy you all we will start producing kits next week (with step by step instructions) to address this issue. The first kit will be the RED tender markers with wiring for an optional directional reverse light which will use the original AF "E unit" for power. How does this sound? Looks like the price for this unit will probably be $19.95 with FREE SHIPPING in CONUS. Following soon after that will be a kit for the GREEN forward markers and an LED head light. The first kit for these will install in the PRE-1966 ATLANTICS with other kits to be installed in the PACIFICS & NORTHERN engines later. Tentavive price for these should about the same as the RED marker kit. � The kit utlizes the exhisting holes in the tender. Please keep watching our web site on the KIT BASHING PAGE at � � http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html � � Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc � --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Rich wrote: From: Rich Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 12:26 AM   Dave -- do you sell or would you consider selling the marker lights separately - like you do the tender reverse lights? Do these markers fit into the existing holes in the rear deck of tender or front of the engines? Your web site doesn't seem to show pictures of these - or at least I didn't find a picture. thanks, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > > Do you want operating RED & GREEN marker lighting installed in your > pre-1966 AF steam engine & tender. Please see our WINTER SPECIAL at: > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Repair-Services.html > > > Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71162	From: Rich	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising)

Dave -- sounds good -- I'll keep an eye out on your website...(it would be good to have a picture...). thanks, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" wrote: > > Rich, >   You and more than 100 other AF high rail modelers have asked the same question. So, in order to try to satisfy you all we will start producing kits next week (with step by step instructions) to address this issue. The first kit will be the RED tender markers with wiring for an optional directional reverse light which will use the original AF "E unit" for power. How does this sound? Looks like the price for this unit will probably be $19.95 with FREE SHIPPING in CONUS. Following soon after that will be a kit for the GREEN forward markers and an LED head light. The first kit for these will install in the PRE-1966 ATLANTICS with other kits to be installed in the PACIFICS & NORTHERN engines later. Tentavive price for these should about the same as the RED marker kit. >   The kit utlizes the exhisting holes in the tender. > Please keep watching our web site on the KIT BASHING PAGE at >   >   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html >   >   > Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc >   > > > --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Rich wrote: > > > From: Rich > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 12:26 AM > > > >   > > > > Dave -- do you sell or would you consider selling the marker lights separately - like you do the tender reverse lights? Do these markers fit into the existing holes in the rear deck of tender or front of the engines? Your web site doesn't seem to show pictures of these - or at least I didn't find a picture. > > thanks, > > Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > > > > Do you want operating RED & GREEN marker lighting installed in your > > pre-1966 AF steam engine & tender. Please see our WINTER SPECIAL at: > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Repair-Services.html > > > > > > Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71163	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising)

Rich,      Photo's coming up next week. OK? Dave , LBR Enterprises,llc   --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Rich <richs009@...> wrote: From: Rich <richs009@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 1:16 PM   Dave -- sounds good -- I'll keep an eye out on your website...(it would be good to have a picture...). thanks, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" wrote: > > Rich, >   You and more than 100 other AF high rail modelers have asked the same question. So, in order to try to satisfy you all we will start producing kits next week (with step by step instructions) to address this issue. The first kit will be the RED tender markers with wiring for an optional directional reverse light which will use the original AF "E unit" for power. How does this sound? Looks like the price for this unit will probably be $19.95 with FREE SHIPPING in CONUS. Following soon after that will be a kit for the GREEN forward markers and an LED head light. The first kit for these will install in the PRE-1966 ATLANTICS with other kits to be installed in the PACIFICS & NORTHERN engines later. Tentavive price for these should about the same as the RED marker kit. >   The kit utlizes the exhisting holes in the tender. > Please keep watching our web site on the KIT BASHING PAGE at >   >   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html >   >   > Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc >   > > > --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Rich wrote: > > > From: Rich > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING (Advertising) > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 12:26 AM > > > >   > > > > Dave -- do you sell or would you consider selling the marker lights separately - like you do the tender reverse lights? Do these markers fit into the existing holes in the rear deck of tender or front of the engines? Your web site doesn't seem to show pictures of these - or at least I didn't find a picture. > > thanks, > > Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote: > > > > Do you want operating RED & GREEN marker lighting installed in your > > pre-1966 AF steam engine & tender. Please see our WINTER SPECIAL at: > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Repair-Services.html > > > > > > Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71164	From: David	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: Caboose Lighting Kit (Advertisement)

After a confrence call with Alan at FICUS PRODUCTS in Hamilton, OH we have decided to produce a CABOOSE LIGHTING KIT for pre-1966 AF cabooses. The kit will have illuminated RED lanterns on the out side (LED/Fiber Optica) and indirect ceiling lighting (LED/Fiber Optics) which will lend its self to the use of interior detailing as the use of the paper window coverings will no longer be needed. This unit will also have an ON/OFF switch operated by simply pushing on the smoke stack. Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71165	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/5/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/6/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 6, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71166	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/6/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/6/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 6, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71167	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 1/6/2013
Subject: ROtating beacon tower

Hi Everyone, just took apart my rotating beacon tower to restore. The little house on the base has four tabs on it but one was folded over because the green base only had slots for three tabs? My question is, does anyone else have the same thing? Could you please look underneath and see if you only see 3 tabs coming through. I am guessing the base for this tower was used for many different towers as there holles and slots not used on my base. Maybe the same for gabe and some others? Inquiring mind(mush) wants to know lol! Thanks. Feel free to email me on list or directly. Thanks again, Chris Burger AKA Cbtrainnut

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71168	From: David	Date: 1/6/2013
Subject: AF Caboose Illuminated Lanterns Kit (Advertisement)

We rushed this NEW LIGHTING KIT for AF operating caboose lanterns to our web site so you all will be able to upgrade your pre-1966 AF cabooses this winter when the snow is a blow'n ;o) The kit comes with all instructions needed to add red glowing lanterns to your illuminated caboose. Simply drill two holes and solder two leads and you are ready to turn out the lights in your train room and watch your caboose slip through the night with the lanterns glowing as it moves down the track. To view or purchase please go to our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> and look for item #CLK-010613-1. The next lighting kit will be for overhead lighting in your cabooses which will allow you to take the paper off of the windows and start adding interior details. Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71169	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Wanted: stripped 343 0-8-0 chassis

Good morning: I am looking for a nice 0-8-0 chassis with wheels and the smoke-in-boiler gear PA10671. This means it is stripped of anything that can be unscrewed including smoke unit, motor, cylinders, etc. Just a stripped chassis. I do not care about dirt or old grease. Mine made a tumble to a concrete floor and broke off one of the wings that hold the field coil. I fixed it with epoxy. I did not get the alignment perfect. It does run but it really wants shims between the field coil and the chassis. Based on paper documentation, it looks like the same chassis was used in all smoke-in-boiler 0-8-0s so the 346 chassis and some 342 chassis should also work. Anyone have one they will part with? Thank you, Thorin Marty Wauwatosa, WI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71170	From: David	Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Rich - The RED MARKER light kit is here ;o)

Rich and all others, the KIT for the AF tender operating RED MARKER lights is here. As these are hand made here at our shop for the time being please allow 14-21 days for delivery. To view/purchase please use the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> Thank you for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71171	From: hankskid@verizon.net	Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Wanted: Scenery Unlimited Circus Pups

Gentlemen, Would like to acquire one of each variation of Scenery Unlimited's AHL circus trailer pups. If you know of a source, other than S.U., or have any for sale, please contact me. Prefer in original box. thank you, Michael Tomasula

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71172	From: Roger Young	Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Wanted: Scenery Unlimited Circus Pups

SU has them for sale for $9.50 each under warehouse sale on bottom of the page. Roger Young ________________________________ From: "hankskid@..." <hankskid@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 3:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wanted: Scenery Unlimited Circus Pups   Gentlemen, Would like to acquire one of each variation of Scenery Unlimited's AHL circus trailer pups. If you know of a source, other than S.U., or have any for sale, please contact me. Prefer in original box. thank you, Michael Tomasula [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71173	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: SHS single trailers

Re: SHS single trailers I found some trailers that I would like to sell. If anyone is interested, please contact me off list. Each trailer is $25 or 5 for $100. Shipping would depend on how many you need. Please let me know... Don Qty UPC # ROADNAMES TYPE body color lettering 1 -00195-3 Unlettered /horz. corr. TRH Alum 1 -00197-5 Bangor & Aroostock TRH Alum black 2 -00198-1 Nickel Plate Road TRH aluminum blue 1 -00199-7 Rock Island TRH Aluminum red/wht 4 -00200-0 Pennsylvania TRH FC red yel/red 1 -00201-7 Seabord TRH Aluminum Red/blk 4 -00202-4 Union Pacific TRH yel/rd/gry rd/wh 1 -00323-6 Speedway TRH Red yellow 3 -00203-1 Chicago Northwestern TRV grn/yel red 1 -00204-8 New Haven TRV Aluminum black 1 -00205-5 New York Central TRV Aluminum 1 -00206-2 REA #1 TRV Aluminum white 1 -00326-7 Pennsylvania TRV Aluminum gold 1 -00325-0 Yale TRV Aluminum blu/org TRH = horiz. Rib, TRV = vert. corrugations [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71174	From: hankskid@verizon.net	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Wanted: Scenery Unlimited Circus Pups

Thanks Roger, but the two trailers I still need are not available at SU. Michael Tomasula --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roger Young wrote: > > SU has them for sale for $9.50 each under warehouse sale on bottom of the page. > > Roger Young > > > > ________________________________ > From: "hankskid@..." > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 3:15 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Wanted: Scenery Unlimited Circus Pups > > >   > Gentlemen, > > Would like to acquire one of each variation of Scenery Unlimited's > AHL circus trailer pups. If you know of a source, other than S.U., > or have any for sale, please contact me. Prefer in original box. > > thank you, > Michael Tomasula > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71175	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Fwd: SHS single trailers

All of the trailers have been spoken for... Don T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71176	From: Ben	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

I bought a junk box of AF several years ago from a co-worker. These were her husband's boyhood trains. A #977 caboose with broken catwalk, #937 MKT with tuscan roof, and some other basic rolling stock were in there. Nothing perfect. There was also a #283 Pacific loco. Someone had done internal surgery already. The price was right for the whole box...and the MKT boxcar justified the purchase. The loco's wires were all severed. The smoke unit was missing as well as the chugger plunger. The chassis was separated from the body and the crossheads were missing as well. She was a basket case. The #283 haunted me for years. I would stumble upon it in pieces where it was stored. I didn't know what to do with it. And I kept looking at those DC can motors in my parts box as well. Finally- just before Christmas- I got the chassis and the body in one place along with a DC can motor. I washed the body. I removed all of the wiring that was already destroyed and worthless. I lengthened the headlight wires and added the DC can motor. Two leads from the tender and a few replaced screws rounded out the "restoration." The crossheads were still missing (just replaced them this weekend after I got two at a show). It ran. It ran very well. No sound- no smoke- it just ran quietly and pulled a ton of cars. I noticed the headlight shone through the smokestack- so I glued in a piece of red cellophane to mimic the clear red smokestacks with some Flyer engines. Much better. And you know what- it is my favorite engine to run right now. Has been since December. I took a basket case and made it into a fun engine. I hope some of you have done similar projects lately!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71177	From: Ben	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: BB for sale

I have a Big Boy for sale. She has seen some layout time- nothing too extensive. Had the typical drive shaft wear and was repaired by Joe of Joe's Train Repair before he retired. I have not run it since- still packed up safely. She is really too big for my layout and my wife hates it. So...if you wanted to get a Big Boy but didn't succeed- here is your chance. Comes with all original packaging. $725 plus shipping (or delivery to April York TCA meet included). Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71178	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

I have some smoke units if you need/want one. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 1/8/2013 6:46:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: I bought a junk box of AF several years ago from a co-worker. These were her husband's boyhood trains. A #977 caboose with broken catwalk, #937 MKT with tuscan roof, and some other basic rolling stock were in there. Nothing perfect. There was also a #283 Pacific loco. Someone had done internal surgery already. The price was right for the whole box...and the MKT boxcar justified the purchase. The loco's wires were all severed. The smoke unit was missing as well as the chugger plunger. The chassis was separated from the body and the crossheads were missing as well. She was a basket case. The #283 haunted me for years. I would stumble upon it in pieces where it was stored. I didn't know what to do with it. And I kept looking at those DC can motors in my parts box as well. Finally- just before Christmas- I got the chassis and the body in one place along with a DC can motor. I washed the body. I removed all of the wiring that was already destroyed and worthless. I lengthened the headlight wires and added the DC can motor. Two leads from the tender and a few replaced screws rounded out the "restoration." The crossheads were still missing (just replaced them this weekend after I got two at a show). It ran. It ran very well. No sound- no smoke- it just ran quietly and pulled a ton of cars. I noticed the headlight shone through the smokestack- so I glued in a piece of red cellophane to mimic the clear red smokestacks with some Flyer engines. Much better. And you know what- it is my favorite engine to run right now. Has been since December. I took a basket case and made it into a fun engine. I hope some of you have done similar projects lately! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71179	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotives on your roster

Your story is very familiar to me, as almost ALL my Flyer locomotives are rebuilds from junk boxes and flea markets. It is familiar in another way as well: I love the #280 series (aka "CNW") Pacifics, even though I have had at least one of every type of Gilbert steamer except the Pennsy style 0-6-0 switcher with slope back tender. They are inexpensive to buy (even complete), relatively simple to work on, reliable runners, good pullers, and look good when cleaned up. They are also a favorite of mine for kit bashing or customizing along with the Atlantics. Because they are similar to the USRA engines, they are prototypical of the thousands of real Pacifics built from the turn of the Century until the end of steam, so represent a vast class of locomotives. They are more numerous than the Royal Blue, Pennsy, or New Haven style Pacifics in both the prototype and Gilbert production. A good representative of "the every man's" locomotive. Others favor the big Northerns, or the busy valve gear of the 0-8-0, the rareness of the Pennsy switcher, or the classy NYC Hudson, but I prefer the "lowly" plastic Pacific. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71180	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: SHS single trailers

Don my last #'s on my card is 7557. Being Joyce died in Sept, My NEW address for shipping is ..... 5 Lincoln Drive, Londonderry, NH 03053. If anything is shipped to older addresses, I will not get the mail or packages. Frank R. EMIRO ________________________________ From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: e-group <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; S Train e-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: e_group <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: SHS single trailers   All of the trailers have been spoken for... Don T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71181	From: marks3891	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotives on your roster

Stumpy, I wish that you could teach me all that you know. I am unable to do even the simplest repairs. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71182	From: Jerry	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

Geez, asking a favorite locomotive is like asking which kid you love more! But if I HAD to choose, I'd have to say that my favorite Flyer loco is a junk box resurrection special, a K5 Pacific with a few repro parts, LED headlight (directional, of course) can motor with electronic reverse unit (a swap meet, older Lionel unit). It smokes well, pulls a full consist of Flyonel Pennsy heavyweights and looks good doing it with a Brunswick Green paint job with Tuscan roof and grey smokebox. My favorite modern S loco is an older American Models GG1, which I modified to run on either AC or DC, has working marker lights, and directional headlights. My favorite older Flyonel locomotive is a 1990 EP-5 I got at last year's S Spree. Great looking and running item. Favorite newer Flyonel? My Great Northern U33C which I run WITHOUT the newer "sparky stuff". Pulls every GN car I have on my roster. Ask a simple question, get a complicated answer... ;>) Jerry Trainin' in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" wrote: > > I bought a junk box of AF several years ago from a co-worker. These were her husband's boyhood trains.....<cut> > I hope some of you have done similar projects lately! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71183	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

Mine is the 343- 346...I hope "L" will re-issue them. Mike PS: Second is the 21004 & 5 In a message dated 1/9/2013 5:05:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, poniaj@... writes: Geez, asking a favorite locomotive is like asking which kid you love more! But if I HAD to choose, I'd have to say that my favorite Flyer loco is a junk box resurrection special, a K5 Pacific with a few repro parts, LED headlight (directional, of course) can motor with electronic reverse unit (a swap meet, older Lionel unit). It smokes well, pulls a full consist of Flyonel Pennsy heavyweights and looks good doing it with a Brunswick Green paint job with Tuscan roof and grey smokebox. My favorite modern S loco is an older American Models GG1, which I modified to run on either AC or DC, has working marker lights, and directional headlights. My favorite older Flyonel locomotive is a 1990 EP-5 I got at last year's S Spree. Great looking and running item. Favorite newer Flyonel? My Great Northern U33C which I run WITHOUT the newer "sparky stuff". Pulls every GN car I have on my roster. Ask a simple question, get a complicated answer... ;>) Jerry Trainin' in Wayne, MI --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Ben" wrote: > > I bought a junk box of AF several years ago from a co-worker. These were her husband's boyhood trains..... > I hope some of you have done similar projects lately! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71184	From: Rich	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

Favorite loco (and a digression): My choice is the same as Jerry's, but not as complicated...! The K5 (312 version) was my first locomotive - at age 6 or so. It's still largely untouched, though I've threatened to treat all of my old steamers to LED headlights, electronic "e" units, etc. About three years ago, not long after I "retired", my wife suggested I haul my trains 'down out of the attic' and set them up for Xmas. I did (for the first time in a long time) and got re-hooked. Unfortunately the trains are still largely a seasonal activity and spend most of their time closet- or attic-bound. Even so, I've managed to expand my collection - so my second favorite loco is currently the Flyonel Mikado (UP version, of course). My digression: I realized when first getting the trains out of the attic that ol' ACG probably had a bigger influence on my life than I might have realized. As I pulled the open frame motor apart to clean and regrease/reoil the worm gear and the shaft, all my Flyer electro-mechanical expertise developed as a kid came rushing back. I can't claim the kit-bashing skills of Stumpy or Al Baker or the layout capability (let alone the collection) of Carl Tuveson, but the fact that I knew which end of a screwdriver to hold had some influence on my ultimate career as a physicist - that and having a Gilbert Chemistry set and stinkin' up the house a couple of times...! - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" wrote: > > Geez, asking a favorite locomotive is like asking which kid you love > more! But if I HAD to choose, I'd have to say that my favorite Flyer > loco is a junk box resurrection special, a K5 Pacific with a few repro > parts, LED headlight (directional, of course) can motor with electronic > reverse unit (a swap meet, older Lionel unit). It smokes well, pulls a > full consist of Flyonel Pennsy heavyweights and looks good doing it with > a Brunswick Green paint job with Tuscan roof and grey smokebox. My > favorite modern S loco is an older American Models GG1, which I modified > to run on either AC or DC, has working marker lights, and directional > headlights. My favorite older Flyonel locomotive is a 1990 EP-5 I got > at last year's S Spree. Great looking and running item. Favorite newer > Flyonel? My Great Northern U33C which I run WITHOUT the newer "sparky > stuff". Pulls every GN car I have on my roster. > > Ask a simple question, get a complicated answer... ;>) > > Jerry > Trainin' in Wayne, MI > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" wrote: > > > > I bought a junk box of AF several years ago from a co-worker. These > were her husband's boyhood trains..... > > > I hope some of you have done similar projects lately! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71185	From: Bob	Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Additional Classic American Flyer on Website

Good evening S-Gaugers. I've added additional American Flyer classics to my website for the start of the New Year. They include: Pacific C&NW 21084 282 C&NW Pacific 300 Atlantic 300 Reading Atlantic (Indented Tender) 302AC Reading Atlantic 322AC NYC Hudson 350 Royal Blue (wire rails) Take a moment and look at the classics and other new Lionel/American Flyer trains at americanflyertrains4u.com. You may find a favorite. I wish everyone good fortune and a healthy New Year. Take care. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71186	From: David	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: AF #312 ILLUMINATED Marker Lanterns (Advertisement)

After many, many requests and a lot of trial and error we are perfecting an illumination kit for the AF #312 style engine green marker lanterns. Yes, all four of them witch also includes an LED head light. You will of course have to drill 4 or 5 very small holes in order to install the fiber optics, but these are not easily seen when a drop of black paint is added. Tentative price for this kit is around $20.00 when it hits our web site later this month at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> Please stay tuned as we will be bringing many new LED/Fiber optics kits to market this year for the pre-1966 engines & rolling stock. Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71187	From: Bill McCormick	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: AF 377 shell

I am looking for a AF 377 shell in good condition. I am also needing 4 or more S183 screws that attach the shell to the chassis. I believe these are suppose to be black. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please contact me at " mccormickii@...". Thanks, Bill McCormick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71188	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite Locomotive

I have to go along with you Stumpy, I love the Gilbert 280 series, my first in 1952 was a 282. We ran the wheels off of it, the weak point of that engine of course was the wiring, engine to tender and needed re-soldering on regular basis. I own several now. one a 283, equipped with TMCC, ERR sound, and a can motor, it pulls ten of the red coaches in the 650 series. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71189	From: lionely6b	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotives on your roster

Re: Favorite locomotives on your roster For original Gilbert I have a nice all-original sample of a No. 296 New Haven Pacific that is "magic" because of how smoothly it runs. It has a better than decent sounding airchime whistle. too. A 332AC (that appears in TM's "The Golden Age of Toy Trains") is a close second. As for new stuff, my new PRR Y3a operated using Legacy v1.51 is a standout. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71190	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

Ben, my favorite steam locomotive is an AF 326 Hudson with large motor that I bought with a bunch of other stuff at an estate sale. Some of the things I like about this engine is the wheel arrangement, Pull-mor traction, wire handrails, the valve and wheel linkage and sound in tender, to name a few. It pulls a lot of cars and navigates Flyer curves quite well. Looks great pulling either heavyweight passenger cars or freight. All around, a nice looking and well performing engine. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" wrote: > > I bought a junk box of AF several years ago from a co-worker. These were her husband's boyhood trains. > > A #977 caboose with broken catwalk, #937 MKT with tuscan roof, and some other basic rolling stock were in there. Nothing perfect. There was also a #283 Pacific loco. Someone had done internal surgery already. The price was right for the whole box...and the MKT boxcar justified the purchase. > > > The loco's wires were all severed. The smoke unit was missing as well as the chugger plunger. The chassis was separated from the body and the crossheads were missing as well. She was a basket case. > > The #283 haunted me for years. I would stumble upon it in pieces where it was stored. I didn't know what to do with it. And I kept looking at those DC can motors in my parts box as well. > > Finally- just before Christmas- I got the chassis and the body in one place along with a DC can motor. I washed the body. I removed all of the wiring that was already destroyed and worthless. I lengthened the headlight wires and added the DC can motor. Two leads from the tender and a few replaced screws rounded out the "restoration." The crossheads were still missing (just replaced them this weekend after I got two at a show). > > It ran. It ran very well. No sound- no smoke- it just ran quietly and pulled a ton of cars. I noticed the headlight shone through the smokestack- so I glued in a piece of red cellophane to mimic the clear red smokestacks with some Flyer engines. Much better. > > And you know what- it is my favorite engine to run right now. Has been since December. I took a basket case and made it into a fun engine. > > I hope some of you have done similar projects lately! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71191	From: Timboy	Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

Favorite Gilbert Loco? I love them all! However, if I had to choose one "dessert island" loco, I guess it would be the Royal Blue. If I could choose two "dessert island" locos, then #1 would be the Royal Blue and #2 would be the Baldwin. If I could choose 3 "dessert island" locos, then there would be the Royal Blue and Baldwin pieces of junk and a bright, shiny Santa Fe. :) :) :) :) -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" wrote: > Ben, my favorite steam locomotive is an AF 326 Hudson with large motor that I bought with a bunch of other stuff at an estate sale. Some of the things I like about this engine is the wheel arrangement, Pull-mor traction, wire handrails, the valve and wheel linkage and sound in tender, to name a few. It pulls a lot of cars and navigates Flyer curves quite well. Looks great pulling either heavyweight passenger cars or freight. All around, a nice looking and well performing engine. Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" wrote: > > > > I bought a junk box of AF several years ago from a co-worker. These were her husband's boyhood trains. > > > > A #977 caboose with broken catwalk, #937 MKT with tuscan roof, and some other basic rolling stock were in there. Nothing perfect. There was also a #283 Pacific loco. Someone had done internal surgery already. The price was right for the whole box...and the MKT boxcar justified the purchase. > > > > > > The loco's wires were all severed. The smoke unit was missing as well as the chugger plunger. The chassis was separated from the body and the crossheads were missing as well. She was a basket case. > > > > The #283 haunted me for years. I would stumble upon it in pieces where it was stored. I didn't know what to do with it. And I kept looking at those DC can motors in my parts box as well. > > > > Finally- just before Christmas- I got the chassis and the body in one place along with a DC can motor. I washed the body. I removed all of the wiring that was already destroyed and worthless. I lengthened the headlight wires and added the DC can motor. Two leads from the tender and a few replaced screws rounded out the "restoration." The crossheads were still missing (just replaced them this weekend after I got two at a show). > > > > It ran. It ran very well. No sound- no smoke- it just ran quietly and pulled a ton of cars. I noticed the headlight shone through the smokestack- so I glued in a piece of red cellophane to mimic the clear red smokestacks with some Flyer engines. Much better. > > > > And you know what- it is my favorite engine to run right now. Has been since December. I took a basket case and made it into a fun engine. > > > > I hope some of you have done similar projects lately! > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71192	From: rick gough	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

My fave without much thought is ACG's best work the Hudson: 1st the 326 Big Motor that I did custom paint and runs like few I've ever seen. 2nd the '46 SIT 322 that looked like it had spent time in Puget Sound. I found a funky tender for it at a local train  show and did a custom restoration/paint to it when I got back into running trains around 15 years ago ..... still really enjoy that one.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71193	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

It's hard to say which one is a favorite because all of the ones my dad bought me when I was a child are special. Actually I think he bought them for himself and just let me play with them. :-) The first was a K335 set then I think the 283 set came next. In 1958 he bought me the Missouri Pacific set and I think the last set was a lowly 307. I still have all of them and more and occasionally I get them out and run track all over the floor of my computer room and play with them. I can remember one year when my sisters and I were looking through the Sears and Monkey Wards Christmas catalogs and I was going "woo-woo" and making train sounds. My dad came running in to see what we were doing as he thought I had found one of my Christmas presents. He even bought the 302 Gilbert display from the department store one year and yes, I still have that too although the tunnel is long gone. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71194	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

My very favorite Gilbert engine has to be the 301. This is the first engine I had as a kid and was given to me in 1954 by my parents at a time when they really could not afford to give me anything but love. Now I have over fifty Gilbert steam engines. My wife asks how many more I need and my answer is always the same "just one more". My 301 still runs flawlessly and will never be out of my roster. By the way, I am looking for one Atlantic and one Pacific. They need to be in excellent mechanical shape with smoke and choo choo. I do not care about the shells. I just need these to complete my Hiawatha engines. If any of you have either of these at a reasonable price I am interested. I hope you all have a wonderful 2013 and keep those trains running. Bud Chadbourne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71195	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Congrats (Off Subject)...

S COMRADES: I don't know if anyone else picked up on this, but the son of one of our own S Heads has just been appointed the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Yes. Gary Chudzinski's son Rob is now the Brown's head coach. Congrats, proud poppa! Gerry Evans In St. Louis (Home of the beleaguered Rams) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71196	From: David	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: AF Caboose, Interior Lighting Kit (Advertisement)

We have added yet another lighting kit for the pre-1966 AF. This time we are offering an up-graded lighting kit for the pre-1966 cabooses. No more bright light forcing you to use window coverings to tone down the glare produced by that single AC bulb. This kit is comprised of LED's and Fiber Optics which produces a more pleasing, soft light more in line with what the real cabooses looked like on their night runs. This kit is on our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71197	From: Alan Smith	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: The best or favorites

Fellows, If we are going down memory lane. IN Steam: I select the 312 SIT and the 322 as second with the third is the super puller 336 I don¹t find the new stuff with some of the sounds anyway close to being realistic. The world of Steam was in the days of Real railroading ­ steam ,cinders, smoke, sparks, sand, spinning wheels, and the wail of the whistle in the still of the night. U can close your eyes while U are running your S gauge on a layout and harken back to these days. IN diesel: 372 --- and follow that with the 474 Diesels --- a dumb Grr and a Hum -- What¹s in that to create imagination??? Old Doc in Hamilton, Oh. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71198	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Congrats (Off Subject)...

Oh yes, I saw it. I spent some time with Rob when he was coaching at Miami. When I later met Gary at an S-Fest, it was a real treat. Congratulations! Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 1/11/2013 11:34 AM, Gerry Evans wrote: > S COMRADES: > I don't know if anyone else picked up on this, but the son of one of our own S Heads has just been appointed the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Yes. Gary Chudzinski's son Rob is now the Brown's head coach. Congrats, proud poppa! > Gerry Evans > In St. Louis (Home of the beleaguered Rams) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71199	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Congrats (Off Subject)...

Congratulations to the Chudzinski family on Rob's accomplishments. Steven Allen Beleaguered Cleveland Brown Fan Springfield, MA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Evans" wrote: > > S COMRADES: > I don't know if anyone else picked up on this, but the son of one of our own S Heads has just been appointed the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Yes. Gary Chudzinski's son Rob is now the Brown's head coach. Congrats, proud poppa! > Gerry Evans > In St. Louis (Home of the beleaguered Rams) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71200	From: Raymond	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: American flyer Docksider

I have a American flyer Docksider that has a worn axle Gear and looking for replacement , metal preferred , I think the part number is PA15A218 Ray Abbott , western new york

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71201	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: American flyer Docksider

Ray, Contact Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies in Newburyport, MA (doug@...) website is www.portlines.com, telephone # is 978-465-8798. Has a ton of replacement parts, great guy to deal with. Steven Allen Springfield, MA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond" wrote: > > I have a American flyer Docksider that has a worn axle Gear and looking for replacement , metal preferred , I think the part number is > PA15A218 Ray Abbott , western new york >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71202	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: American flyer Docksider

Hi Ray, � PA15A218 is a plastic gear and goes on the 21156 and 21158 Dockside. The metal drive gear is PA15A018 which works with the PA15A019 Smoke Gear goes on the 21155 with smoke. I have both in stock. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Raymond To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American flyer Docksider   I have a American flyer Docksider that has a worn axle Gear and looking for replacement , metal preferred , I think the part number is PA15A218 Ray Abbott , western new york [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71203	From: traindavid	Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

When I first read these posts I wondered, "How can I pick ONE favorite?" Then I thought about my experience doing display layouts, and realized that I do have a favorite type of locomotive; the Hudson. The Hudson seems to run a whole show with few problems; but other locomotives, for some reason, have issues after a few hours (with steamers, usually the front truck derailing!). Now as to a personal favorite, the lowly 307 Atlantic that started me in S--actually it was a Christmas present to my brothers, but I'm the one that kept on playin' trains with it--and rebuilt it numerous times. It was the cause for many letters to New Haven for parts, as I lived in the mountains with no hobby shop for hundreds of miles. The amazing thing is, that the AC Gilbert company wrote back to me, and sold me the parts I needed! It still runs nicely, although no smoke, nor choo-choo (I would drool over our 1955 catalog--the only one we had at the "Real smoke and Choo Choo!"). Now, what about a favorite car? Mine is the Orange IC reefer--also a childhood fav, as my brothers had two of them, so I could have a "string" of cars like I'd see on the SP that ran through our place. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71204	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Operations article

The January issue of Model Railroad Hobbyist has an interesting article on determining the size of a layout from the operations perspective.. http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/ FWIW MRH is now using the GEN 2 format, if you're reading it on a tablet or smartphone try the recommended EZ PDF Reader Pro. The Kindle Fire version will even read the magazine to you, not bad for a $2 app Brady Sent from my Kindle Fire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71205	From: Don 'Mac'	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

Gentlemen and ladies, Every so often on this list I see the following... "Contact Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies (doug@...) website is www.portlines.com, phone # is 978-465-8798" Well...I have just recently emailed Doug, as well as several months ago, and absolutely dead silence. No response at all. Two questions... Is Doug still there??? Does he ever actually answer emails??? Don McGinnis S. Jersey S-Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71206	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

Hi Don. Doug has a limited month in January to fill part orders due to a train show in MA from the 23rd to 28th. He is also on vacation from the 4th to the 14th of January. Keep trying and check his calendar posted at the top of his website. Have a good day. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71207	From: R G	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

He is still there but may be on the road to a show or something.  On his web site you have to look at his calendar to see when he is at home! ________________________________ From: Don 'Mac' <Mac304@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Doug Peck...is he still out there???   Gentlemen and ladies, Every so often on this list I see the following... "Contact Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies (doug@...) website is www.portlines.com, phone # is 978-465-8798" Well...I have just recently emailed Doug, as well as several months ago, and absolutely dead silence. No response at all. Two questions... Is Doug still there??? Does he ever actually answer emails??? Don McGinnis S. Jersey S-Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71208	From: snstrains	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

Yes, and yes, Right now he's on vacation out of country. Will be back next week... Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 1/12/2013 10:54:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, Mac304@... writes: Gentlemen and ladies, Every so often on this list I see the following... "Contact Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies (_doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...) ) website is www.portlines.com, phone # is 978-465-8798" Well...I have just recently emailed Doug, as well as several months ago, and absolutely dead silence. No response at all. Two questions... Is Doug still there??? Does he ever actually answer emails??? Don McGinnis S. Jersey S-Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71209	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

He does answer E-Mails. He might be out of town right now. Mike In a message dated 1/12/2013 9:54:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Mac304@... writes: Gentlemen and ladies, Every so often on this list I see the following... "Contact Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies (_doug@..._ (mailto:doug@...) ) website is www.portlines.com, phone # is 978-465-8798" Well...I have just recently emailed Doug, as well as several months ago, and absolutely dead silence. No response at all. Two questions... Is Doug still there??? Does he ever actually answer emails??? Don McGinnis S. Jersey S-Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71210	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Anormal1 Smoke Fluid

I'm now on Facebook, as Anormal1 Smoke Fluid. Please visit, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71211	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas � R G, That is the number 1 thing to do on his website. Check the calendar, plus he sends e-mails to all of the "S" yahoo groups. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: R G To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Doug Peck...is he still out there???   He is still there but may be on the road to a show or something.  On his web site you have to look at his calendar to see when he is at home! ________________________________ From: Don 'Mac' mailto:Mac304%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Doug Peck...is he still out there???   Gentlemen and ladies, Every so often on this list I see the following... "Contact Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies (mailto:doug%40portlines.com) website is http://www.portlines.com/, phone # is 978-465-8798" Well...I have just recently emailed Doug, as well as several months ago, and absolutely dead silence. No response at all. Two questions... Is Doug still there??? Does he ever actually answer emails??? Don McGinnis S. Jersey S-Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71212	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: For Sale: Two satin finish American Flyer 655 Silver Bullet Coach Ca

Both cars and their wheels have been cleanedso they are ready to run. Each has the original link couplers, both of which work. Though these cars were never illuminated, they contain Gilbert's traditional diffuser paper; to keep it from curling up like most do, I inserted a small piece of cardboard at each end. The Silver Bullet stickers on car #1 are nearly complete, with only little spots scratched off. It is very strong C-5 (Good) to weak C-6 (Very Good) condition; there are too many scratches to call it a true C-6. The Silver Bullet stickers onCar #2 are about 90% complete, with little spots scratched off. It is strong C-5 (Good) to weak C-6 (Very Good) condition; there are too many scratches to call it a true C-6. This oneis not quite as nice as the other one. I will be putting pictures on my website shortly; they might even make it before this message gets sent out to the list:       <thegilbertgallery.org/For Sale Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html> The 655 Silver Bullet Coach was made in 1953. The 2012 TM Price Guide lists these cars at $170 eachin C-10 condition.  I figure the first is worth about $95 adjusted for condition, and the second $80.  Make offer.   Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71213	From: Frank	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] For Sale: American Models RS3014 Rock Island A

Is it AC or DC powered ? Frank On Jan 12, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > Run little, if at all, by the owner, a late member of our train club. He never got around to installing the windows or railings; they are included in the box. Both box and engine are in legitimate TCA C-8 Like New condition. I test ran it on the club layout and it runs smoothly and quietly, and pulls well. A great engine! A picture is on my website; click on the Description about 3/4 of the way down the page: > > <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html> > > The 2010 Greenberg Guide lists it at $190 in C-10 condition. Make offer. > > Bob Graves > TheGilbertGallery.org > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71214	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: For Sale: American Models RS3014 Rock Island Alco RS3 Diesel #474

Run little, if at all, by the owner, a late member of our train club.  He never got around to installing the windows or railings; they are included in the box.  Both box and engine are in legitimate TCA C-8 Like New condition.  I test ran it on the club layout and it runs smoothly and quietly, and pulls well.  A great engine!  A picture is on my website; click on the Description about 3/4 of the way down the page:          <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html> The 2010 Greenberg Guide lists it at $190 in C-10 condition.  Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71215	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/13/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 13, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71216	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/12/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

Doug may be preparing for the Amherst Railway Society's 2 day show in W. Springfield, MA on Jan.26th and 27th. Best contact is by email, that's how I communicate with him most of the times. And yes, do check his calender, he may be on vacation also, because he and wife Cecile usually go on a crusie in early January, then he prepares for the show. Steven Allen Springfield, MA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >   Fort Worth, Texas >   > R G, > That is the number 1 thing to do on his website. Check the calendar, plus he sends e-mails to all of the "S" yahoo groups. >   Alan Lambert > > > ________________________________ > From: R G > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Doug Peck...is he still out there??? > > >   > > He is still there but may be on the road to a show or something.  On his web site you have to look at his calendar to see when he is at home! > > ________________________________ > From: Don 'Mac' mailto:Mac304%40comcast.net> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:45 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Doug Peck...is he still out there??? > > >   > Gentlemen and ladies, > > Every so often on this list I see the following... > > "Contact Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies > (mailto:doug%40portlines.com) website is > http://www.portlines.com/, phone # is 978-465-8798" > > Well...I have just recently emailed Doug, > as well as several months ago, and > absolutely dead silence. No response at > all. Two questions... > Is Doug still there??? > Does he ever actually answer emails??? > > Don McGinnis > S. Jersey S-Gaugers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71217	From: traindavid	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Making Suggestions to Lionel on future S stuff

Over on the S-Scale list they have been discussing future Big L production, and how to send suggestions. Well, one of them found a person and an email address: Well, I found a name, Jenna Egan, with a position, Marketing Manager, and an email address, JEgan@..., to send a message to. And I sent the following (I suggest others repeat this): Dear Ms. Egan, I recently received my American Flyer Y3 locomotive. It seems to be a real winner, runs well forwards and backwards through classic American Flyer track work, including switches and reverse curves. It also does not have an extreme hangover on curves. It occurs to me, that with this 2-6-6-2 chassis, one could make a very nice Southern Pacific Cab Forward. The one running chassis change would be a four-wheel front truck. The boiler and tender shells would be the majority of tooling required! S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71218	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/13/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 13, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71219	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck. Is still out there, just on vacation

According to Doug¹s latest email blast, he will be on vacation until January 14. Roy Inman From: Steven Allen <allens1017@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:45:42 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there??? Doug may be preparing for the Amherst Railway Society's 2 day show in W. Springfield, MA on Jan.26th and 27th. Best contact is by email, that's how I communicate with him most of the times. And yes, do check his calender, he may be on vacation also, because he and wife Cecile usually go on a crusie in early January, then he prepares for the show. Steven Allen Springfield, MA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Alan Lambert wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >   Fort Worth, Texas >   > R G, > That is the number 1 thing to do on his website. Check the calendar, plus he sends e-mails to all of the "S" yahoo groups. >   Alan Lambert > > > ________________________________ > From: R G > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> " > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Doug Peck...is he still out there??? > > >   > > He is still there but may be on the road to a show or something.  On his web site you have to look at his calendar to see when he is at home! > > ________________________________ > From: Don 'Mac' mailto:Mac304%40comcast.net> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:45 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Doug Peck...is he still out there??? > > >   > Gentlemen and ladies, > > Every so often on this list I see the following... > > "Contact Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies > (mailto:doug%40portlines.com) website is > http://www.portlines.com/, phone # is 978-465-8798" > > Well...I have just recently emailed Doug, > as well as several months ago, and > absolutely dead silence. No response at > all. Two questions... > Is Doug still there??? > Does he ever actually answer emails??? > > Don McGinnis > S. Jersey S-Gaugers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71220	From: phil_dunlop2002	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Alco 6-251 sound project, DCC

Hi all; If you are interested, here is a video clip of a recently completed sound project, made from live recordings of a still running Alco 251 equipped locomotive. It is running in an S gauge American Models Baldwin S-12, as I cannot seem to find anyone that makes a proper ALCO loco that has that prime mover in S. (Such as HH, S-5, S-6) Anyway, here is the link, sounds great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZLwsf9xeI cheers p

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71221	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

The last newsletter Doug sent out said two things about the hours of his business: (1) Between vacation and a show in January he would only be in the shop much, only to fill existing orders. (2) He planned on doing less shows in 2013 so he could spend more time in the shop. I am one of those people who prefer to call an order rather than send an email. So I usually check his calendar and listed hours and call when I think he is there. I'm right most of the time. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Don 'Mac'" wrote: > > Gentlemen and ladies, > > Every so often on this list I see the following... > > "Contact Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies > (doug@...) website is > www.portlines.com, phone # is 978-465-8798" > > Well...I have just recently emailed Doug, > as well as several months ago, and > absolutely dead silence. No response at > all. Two questions... > Is Doug still there??? > Does he ever actually answer emails??? > > Don McGinnis > S. Jersey S-Gaugers >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71222	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

OK folks....we just returned 30 minutes ago after a week away.....our annual early-January vacation. I appreciate all the folks who posted a response to Don's question, as they were all basically correct in what they said. I constantly encourage folks to check my website Calendar. It always shows when we are away for any reason, including the few shows we do per year. It also indicates the exact days and hours I am available to accept phone orders. I occasionally hear the comment, "Gee, you have pretty limited hours". Yes, I do. During the hours I'm available, I'm on the phone call after call, and get almost NO orders filled during those hours. If I were available to accept orders all day, every day, there would be so many interruptions I couldn't keep up with orders (it's hard enough to do so as it is; it's not unusual for me to run 5-6 days behind on orders). Believe it or not, this is SUPPOSED to be a "part-time" business, AND it's a "one-man business". I do absolutely everything myself, except repairs, with occasional help from my wife processing credit-cards and preparing packages to mail. But this "part-time business" consumes my time 9 hours per day, 6 if not 7 days per week. As for emails, I usually answer emails the same day....often within minutes.....UNLESS there is something that I need to research for you, including confirming that I have something in inventory. Please note that MOST of my inventory (including all SHS, AM, DPH, Flyonel, and much of my ORIGINAL AF parts inventory is NOT here at my shop.....it is at my warehouse facility several miles away. I usually get over there 3-5 mornings per week to retrieve items for pending orders, or to check your inventory questions. Thus the delay in answering those type of questions. Finally, specific to your question, Don....... I just did a Search of my entire INBOX, which retains all my incoming email for the past 4 months, minimum. I did not come up with a single "Find" for your name except for this one reference in today's S-Trains Digest. So I don't know why I'm not receiving them. I can only suggest that either (a) you had my email address incorrect; (b) you may be with AOL?....AOL causes me MANY problems with undelivered email (I believe your own club Newsletter Editor can verify that for you; he had that problem, and he had to contact AOL himself to get it corrected, as AOL had no interest in talking with me about it since I am not their customer); or (c) you did not enter anything in the "SUBJECT" line. Any email I receive with no Subject I refuse to open for security reasons.....they simply get deleted. I also have a SPAM/JUNK folder which typically fills with over 100 emails per day (I came home tonight to 1100 of them), but they do not automatically delete. I always scan that folder a couple of times per day to be sure nothing in it looks legitimate before I delete the entire contents of the folder. So Don, please try contacting me again. Something is amiss. I value my reputation for service and quality, and do most anything to retain it. Sorry to be long-winded here, but I felt this needed clarification to all of you. Thanks for "listening" ! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. <<<Well...I have just recently emailed Doug, as well as several months ago, and absolutely dead silence. No response at all. Two questions... Is Doug still there??? Does he ever actually answer emails??? Don McGinnis>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71223	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: 625 BLACK 46 WANTED

I need a 625 black Shell tank car from 1946...... I need one with a nice frame and all the steps..... ... I also would like it to be warped some, which is normal.... need it to finish set..... contact6 me off list...... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71224	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 1/14/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

Doug Welcome home;it's obvious you were missed! FWIW,I feel you are among the best internet dealers I've yet encountered, and I wish you and yours the best in 2013. Mark Mugnai --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" wrote: > > OK folks....we just returned 30 minutes ago after a week away.....our > annual early-January vacation. > > I appreciate all the folks who posted a response to Don's question, as > they were all basically correct in what they said. > > > > I constantly encourage folks to check my website Calendar. It always > shows when we are away for any reason, including the few shows we do per > year. It also indicates the exact days and hours I am available to > accept phone orders. > > I occasionally hear the comment, "Gee, you have pretty limited hours". > > Yes, I do. During the hours I'm available, I'm on the phone call after > call, and get almost NO orders filled during those hours. > > If I were available to accept orders all day, every day, there would be > so many interruptions I couldn't keep up with orders (it's hard enough > to do so as it is; it's not unusual for me to run 5-6 days behind on > orders). > > Believe it or not, this is SUPPOSED to be a "part-time" business, AND > it's a "one-man business". I do absolutely everything myself, except > repairs, with occasional help from my wife processing credit-cards and > preparing packages to mail. But this "part-time business" consumes my > time 9 hours per day, 6 if not 7 days per week. > > > > As for emails, I usually answer emails the same day....often within > minutes.....UNLESS there is something that I need to research for you, > including confirming that I have something in inventory. Please note > that MOST of my inventory (including all SHS, AM, DPH, Flyonel, and much > of my ORIGINAL AF parts inventory is NOT here at my shop.....it is at my > warehouse facility several miles away. I usually get over there 3-5 > mornings per week to retrieve items for pending orders, or to check your > inventory questions. Thus the delay in answering those type of > questions. > > > > Finally, specific to your question, Don....... > > I just did a Search of my entire INBOX, which retains all my incoming > email for the past 4 months, minimum. I did not come up with a single > "Find" for your name except for this one reference in today's S-Trains > Digest. So I don't know why I'm not receiving them. I can only suggest > that either (a) you had my email address incorrect; (b) you may be with > AOL?....AOL causes me MANY problems with undelivered email (I believe > your own club Newsletter Editor can verify that for you; he had that > problem, and he had to contact AOL himself to get it corrected, as AOL > had no interest in talking with me about it since I am not their > customer); or (c) you did not enter anything in the "SUBJECT" line. Any > email I receive with no Subject I refuse to open for security > reasons.....they simply get deleted. I also have a SPAM/JUNK folder > which typically fills with over 100 emails per day (I came home tonight > to 1100 of them), but they do not automatically delete. I always scan > that folder a couple of times per day to be sure nothing in it looks > legitimate before I delete the entire contents of the folder. > > So Don, please try contacting me again. Something is amiss. > > > > I value my reputation for service and quality, and do most anything to > retain it. > > > > Sorry to be long-winded here, but I felt this needed clarification to > all of you. Thanks for "listening" ! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com > Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM > (EST) only. > 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) > 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > << as well as several months ago, and > absolutely dead silence. No response at > all. Two questions... > Is Doug still there??? > Does he ever actually answer emails??? > > Don McGinnis>>> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71225	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 1/14/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

Here here!! Neil in Oregon --- On Mon, 1/14/13, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> wrote: From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there??? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 8:57 PM   Doug Welcome home;it's obvious you were missed! FWIW,I feel you are among the best internet dealers I've yet encountered, and I wish you and yours the best in 2013. Mark Mugnai --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" wrote: > > OK folks....we just returned 30 minutes ago after a week away.....our > annual early-January vacation. > > I appreciate all the folks who posted a response to Don's question, as > they were all basically correct in what they said. > > > > I constantly encourage folks to check my website Calendar. It always > shows when we are away for any reason, including the few shows we do per > year. It also indicates the exact days and hours I am available to > accept phone orders. > > I occasionally hear the comment, "Gee, you have pretty limited hours". > > Yes, I do. During the hours I'm available, I'm on the phone call after > call, and get almost NO orders filled during those hours. > > If I were available to accept orders all day, every day, there would be > so many interruptions I couldn't keep up with orders (it's hard enough > to do so as it is; it's not unusual for me to run 5-6 days behind on > orders). > > Believe it or not, this is SUPPOSED to be a "part-time" business, AND > it's a "one-man business". I do absolutely everything myself, except > repairs, with occasional help from my wife processing credit-cards and > preparing packages to mail. But this "part-time business" consumes my > time 9 hours per day, 6 if not 7 days per week. > > > > As for emails, I usually answer emails the same day....often within > minutes.....UNLESS there is something that I need to research for you, > including confirming that I have something in inventory. Please note > that MOST of my inventory (including all SHS, AM, DPH, Flyonel, and much > of my ORIGINAL AF parts inventory is NOT here at my shop.....it is at my > warehouse facility several miles away. I usually get over there 3-5 > mornings per week to retrieve items for pending orders, or to check your > inventory questions. Thus the delay in answering those type of > questions. > > > > Finally, specific to your question, Don....... > > I just did a Search of my entire INBOX, which retains all my incoming > email for the past 4 months, minimum. I did not come up with a single > "Find" for your name except for this one reference in today's S-Trains > Digest. So I don't know why I'm not receiving them. I can only suggest > that either (a) you had my email address incorrect; (b) you may be with > AOL?....AOL causes me MANY problems with undelivered email (I believe > your own club Newsletter Editor can verify that for you; he had that > problem, and he had to contact AOL himself to get it corrected, as AOL > had no interest in talking with me about it since I am not their > customer); or (c) you did not enter anything in the "SUBJECT" line. Any > email I receive with no Subject I refuse to open for security > reasons.....they simply get deleted. I also have a SPAM/JUNK folder > which typically fills with over 100 emails per day (I came home tonight > to 1100 of them), but they do not automatically delete. I always scan > that folder a couple of times per day to be sure nothing in it looks > legitimate before I delete the entire contents of the folder. > > So Don, please try contacting me again. Something is amiss. > > > > I value my reputation for service and quality, and do most anything to > retain it. > > > > Sorry to be long-winded here, but I felt this needed clarification to > all of you. Thanks for "listening" ! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com > Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM > (EST) only. > 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) > 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > << as well as several months ago, and > absolutely dead silence. No response at > all. Two questions... > Is Doug still there??? > Does he ever actually answer emails??? > > Don McGinnis>>> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71226	From: Don 'Mac'	Date: 1/14/2013
Subject: Re: Doug Peck...is he still out there???

Thanks to all those who responded... and Doug, as well...concerning the whereabouts of Mr. Peck. As they say, 'I have been enlightened.' 'Great balls of fire' came flying out of the sky and...OK, OK, I know, let's not get carried away :-)) Don 'Mac'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71227	From: Brady	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Atlas #57 Deluxe Switch Control Box

Has anyone tried these? They look pretty neat.. http://www.atlasrr.com/trackmisc/57switchcontrol.htm Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71228	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: LIONEL TRACK CONNECTORS FREE (ALMOST)

I have 3 Lionel track Power clips(?) They are sort of free to anyone that wants to pay $3.00 shipping, I might make a buck, so they are almost free. First person to contact me off list gets them. _Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 PS: I ALSO HAVE SMOKE FLUID [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71229	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

My favorite locomotive was a Hudson...the number of which I know not as all my S Scale was traded in to La Grange Hobbies for pennies on the dollar when I got into HO. It was originally AC, later converted to DC, and had the smoke and choo-choo in the boiler with the reversing unit in the tender. The Hudson was purchased for Christmas, probably 1947 or 1948. My dad started to build a S DC layout in the basement of my grandparents' house but never got much beyond the Tru-scale roadbed stage. The roster included a Miller-powered cast bodied Alco S4 (three axles powered and it could barely pull a couple of balsa-core paper sided reefers and an AF plastic framed caboose without lights), a Northern, three 0-8-0s (why, I don't know the story), a golden-chrome PA/PB. An Aunt took pity on my not having a layout and bought a 4x8 sheet of plywood, a Lionel transformer and an AC second hand Circus Streamlined Pacific (which La Grange Hobbies painted Green with a White Stripe on the tender in case anyone has it!) so that I could set up something. My grandfather later got into the act and bought a complete layout (on four 4x8 boards) from Chick Evans, who had been the repair guy at La Grange Hobbies and hired him to reassemble it in our basement. I later added a 4x8 extension using the Tru-scale roadbed and brass rail. The layout was DC using Marnold throttles. The only addition to the roster was a UP GP7 which was the only engine that came with knuckle couplers. Around 1955 I wrote a letter to A.C. Gilbert making product suggestions and requesting a American Flyer Boys Model Railroad Club certificate. I asked them to make an Old-Timer, the PRR 0-6-0 that they made in HO, a diesel switcher, and an F unit. I got a nice response from Maury Romer along with Certificate #2. I don't know if everyone got #2 but I sure wish I had my letter, the response , and the certificate. That letter and the response foreshadowed my second career in the Model Railroad Industry. Unfortunately, like the trains, they are long gone. Getting back to the Hudson...every time we had a tornado warning, I would take the engine off the layout and put it under the basement stairs...it was my favorite engine!!!! Charlie Vlk Railroad Model Resources [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71230	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

That's a great story. That layout on the 4 - 4x8 boardssounds like it could havebeen a Sibley style store display layout. Do you remember if it was similar to the Sibley track plan? (see http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/sibley/sibley_overview_nf.htm ) Like you, I got into HO, but fortunately never thought about selling the Flyer, so I still have my two original trains. Unfortunately what did pop into my mind was that a Silver Bullet locomotive mechanism would make a great smoke unit for an HO factory. Fortunately I did keep the parts and, with a few additional parts, have been able to restore that locomotive. Dale On 1/15/2013 3:18 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote: > > > > My favorite locomotive was a Hudson...the number of which I know not > as all > my S Scale was traded in to La Grange Hobbies for pennies on the > dollar when > I got into HO. It was originally AC, later converted to DC, and had the > smoke and choo-choo in the boiler with the reversing unit in the tender. > > The Hudson was purchased for Christmas, probably 1947 or 1948. My dad > started to build a S DC layout in the basement of my grandparents' > house but > never got much beyond the Tru-scale roadbed stage. The roster included a > Miller-powered cast bodied Alco S4 (three axles powered and it could > barely > pull a couple of balsa-core paper sided reefers and an AF plastic framed > caboose without lights), a Northern, three 0-8-0s (why, I don't know the > story), a golden-chrome PA/PB. An Aunt took pity on my not having a layout > and bought a 4x8 sheet of plywood, a Lionel transformer and an AC second > hand Circus Streamlined Pacific (which La Grange Hobbies painted Green > with > a White Stripe on the tender in case anyone has it!) so that I could > set up > something. My grandfather later got into the act and bought a complete > layout (on four 4x8 boards) from Chick Evans, who had been the repair > guy at > La Grange Hobbies and hired him to reassemble it in our basement. I later > added a 4x8 extension using the Tru-scale roadbed and brass rail. The > layout was DC using Marnold throttles. The only addition to the roster was > a UP GP7 which was the only engine that came with knuckle couplers. > > Around 1955 I wrote a letter to A.C. Gilbert making product > suggestions and > requesting a American Flyer Boys Model Railroad Club certificate. I asked > them to make an Old-Timer, the PRR 0-6-0 that they made in HO, a diesel > switcher, and an F unit. I got a nice response from Maury Romer along with > Certificate #2. I don't know if everyone got #2 but I sure wish I had my > letter, the response , and the certificate. That letter and the response > foreshadowed my second career in the Model Railroad Industry. > Unfortunately, like the trains, they are long gone. > > Getting back to the Hudson...every time we had a tornado warning, I would > take the engine off the layout and put it under the basement > stairs...it was > my favorite engine!!!! > > Charlie Vlk > > Railroad Model Resources > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71231	From: Ben	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

This has turned into a cool thread. Thanks for all the responses! I found the missing smoke unit for the #283. Does anyone have a PA10518A piston for this smoke unit in your junk box? The gear and actuating rod are here, but not the piston- so I won't be able to make it choo-choo or smoke. If you might have a piston, please let me know if it is available. Also- I just got another loco running. A #371 GP. It did not run, would not run when I first got it in. Messing with it the other night, I found it was a lower e-unit finger. Replaced the set and it tears around the layout now (after a little lubrication.) So...the #371 might be my current favorite loco. Next- 2 #312 locos that need TLC and my "project" list is almost under control. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" wrote: > > I bought a junk box of AF several years ago from a co-worker. These were her husband's boyhood trains. > > A #977 caboose with broken catwalk, #937 MKT with tuscan roof, and some other basic rolling stock were in there. Nothing perfect. There was also a #283 Pacific loco. Someone had done internal surgery already. The price was right for the whole box...and the MKT boxcar justified the purchase. > > > The loco's wires were all severed. The smoke unit was missing as well as the chugger plunger. The chassis was separated from the body and the crossheads were missing as well. She was a basket case. > > The #283 haunted me for years. I would stumble upon it in pieces where it was stored. I didn't know what to do with it. And I kept looking at those DC can motors in my parts box as well. > > Finally- just before Christmas- I got the chassis and the body in one place along with a DC can motor. I washed the body. I removed all of the wiring that was already destroyed and worthless. I lengthened the headlight wires and added the DC can motor. Two leads from the tender and a few replaced screws rounded out the "restoration." The crossheads were still missing (just replaced them this weekend after I got two at a show). > > It ran. It ran very well. No sound- no smoke- it just ran quietly and pulled a ton of cars. I noticed the headlight shone through the smokestack- so I glued in a piece of red cellophane to mimic the clear red smokestacks with some Flyer engines. Much better. > > And you know what- it is my favorite engine to run right now. Has been since December. I took a basket case and made it into a fun engine. > > I hope some of you have done similar projects lately! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71232	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 1/15/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

The Sibley layout was on a 7x16 table so, no, it wasn't...just a simple loop with a few switches. I didn't have all that much AF track because Dad was doing the Tru-scale roadbed so never acquired much beyond a couple of loops but IIRC there were a couple of electric switches. I had a Seaboard Coal Loader but IIRC it never worked all that well. Was fascinated by Gilbert's use of an HO passenger car truck for the traveler for the clamshell bucket. You have me thinking about trying to recreate the track plan for the layout now. I only have one or two photos of it and neither is going to help much. I didn't have any Atlantics or the other Pacifics...always liked the K5, C&NW, NH locos. Wish I had some of the locos that AF came out with after I suggested some of them..the PRR 0-6-0, Baldwin, F7 (although it was really horrible!!), the Franklin, and 0-6-0T. The NH Electric was sharp looking but never craved it. There was a guy in the town I lived in (Brookfield, IL) that lived across from the Carnegie Library who had a basement full of AF..but three-rail O Gauge. It was really neat to see 3/16" scale trains that ran on Lionel track!!! Some of the tinplate cars were nice too..especially the caboose and versions of the passenger cars. I really liked the "Royal Blue" locomotives. The "Silver Bullet" was a nice use of the engine although I would have paired it with the corrugated streamline cars. As it turned out I was only in HO for about 4 years and have been in N Scale since 1964..I've borrowed a Royal Blue shell from an AF collector to use as a master for a reduction casting process to get one for N Scale. Also have an Atlantic to use for the same thing. Since Hallmark does most of their Lionel Christmas ornaments in N Scale size I hope each year that they'll pick an American Flyer subject.. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71233	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Bob Hannon

The email address in Bob Hannon's book is not working for me.How do I get in touch with him about rewinding armatures? Thanks in advance !! Bob Guckian Eaton,Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71234	From: calleytwo	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?

My favorite S loco is my 1947 Flyer  Smoke in tender Hudson. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 16 Jan 2013 01:51:07 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: Favorite locomotive on your roster?   This has turned into a cool thread. Thanks for all the responses! I found the missing smoke unit for the #283. Does anyone have a PA10518A piston for this smoke unit in your junk box? The gear and actuating rod are here, but not the piston- so I won't be able to make it choo-choo or smoke. If you might have a piston, please let me know if it is available. Also- I just got another loco running. A #371 GP. It did not run, would not run when I first got it in. Messing with it the other night, I found it was a lower e-unit finger. Replaced the set and it tears around the layout now (after a little lubrication.) So...the #371 might be my current favorite loco. Next- 2 #312 locos that need TLC and my "project" list is almost under control. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], "Ben" wrote: > > I bought a junk box of AF several years ago from a co-worker. These were her husband's boyhood trains. > > A #977 caboose with broken catwalk, #937 MKT with tuscan roof, and some other basic rolling stock were in there. Nothing perfect. There was also a #283 Pacific loco. Someone had done internal surgery already. The price was right for the whole box...and the MKT boxcar justified the purchase. > > > The loco's wires were all severed. The smoke unit was missing as well as the chugger plunger. The chassis was separated from the body and the crossheads were missing as well. She was a basket case. > > The #283 haunted me for years. I would stumble upon it in pieces where it was stored. I didn't know what to do with it. And I kept looking at those DC can motors in my parts box as well. > > Finally- just before Christmas- I got the chassis and the body in one place along with a DC can motor. I washed the body. I removed all of the wiring that was already destroyed and worthless. I lengthened the headlight wires and added the DC can motor. Two leads from the tender and a few replaced screws rounded out the "restoration." The crossheads were still missing (just replaced them this weekend after I got two at a show). > > It ran. It ran very well. No sound- no smoke- it just ran quietly and pulled a ton of cars. I noticed the headlight shone through the smokestack- so I glued in a piece of red cellophane to mimic the clear red smokestacks with some Flyer engines. Much better. > > And you know what- it is my favorite engine to run right now. Has been since December. I took a basket case and made it into a fun engine. > > I hope some of you have done similar projects lately! > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroupscom [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZnFyMDNoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTIzMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNTgzMDM3MDI-?act=reply&messageNum=71231 [3] mailto:lbstiles@...?subject=Re%3A%20Favorite%20locomotive%20on%20your%20roster%3F [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Favorite%20locomotive%20on%20your%20roster%3F [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaWlvbTJ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNTgzMDM3MDI- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71176;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aDFyZW9kBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTIzMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNTgzMDM3MDIEdHBjSWQDNzExNzY- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM2FlOXNsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzU4MzAzNzAy?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjam5ybjZ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNTgzMDM3MDI- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMGNxN252BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM1ODMwMzcwMg-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71235	From: traindavid	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: crazy price for Alco Horns on eBay

Hi all, I must be missing something here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-AMERICAN-FLYER-PLASTIC-HORN-ASSY-3-HORNS-/330854680179?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&nma=true&si=chSNAUbqnPWkFUHxzXS%2FcfguzY4%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc This auction was for 6 original, new, ACG made, Alco plastic horns. The auction ended up at $77 plus 5.85 shipping. Hmm repros are around $1.00 each--what makes these so valuable? Aren't the repros very close to undetectable? Thanks! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71236	From: traindavid	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Couple more crazy parts prices

How about these two assortments of screws, etc. for $ 480 http://www.ebay.com/itm/380552001007?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Or this jumble for $380 http://www.ebay.com/itm/380551999876?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 The same seller sold some new steamer drive wheels to at over $100. Interestingly, the last two high bidders are the same in these auctions. Any ideas? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71237	From: Dave	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Lighting Kit up date ;o) (Advertisement)

We are very close to releasing our 2 & 3 color llluminated marker lanterns for cabooses. The 2 color of course has red & green but we are adding yellow to the end of the lantern so this one will have Forward: GREEN, Rear: RED, Side: YELLOW. These cubes measure 4mm square and are generated by a 3mm LED which can be replaced should it ever burn out. Please stay tuned in to our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> so you don't miss the first issure of these much called for kits. Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71238	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: Couple more crazy parts prices

if you notice, the same people bid on both items, they bid up the item, and hope to catch a rookie, or a moron, it's called trolling mel perry On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:13 PM, <djdewey@...> wrote: > How about these two assortments of screws, etc. for $ 480 > http://www.ebay.com/itm/380552001007? > ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 > Or this jumble for $380 > http://www.ebay.com/itm/380551999876? > ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 > The same seller sold some new steamer drive wheels to at over $100. > Interestingly, the last two high bidders are the same in these > auctions. > Any ideas? > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71239	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: yahoo delays

just to let everyone know, that yahoo recent upgrades crashed today, messages are being delayed anywhere from 4 to 6 hours mel perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71240	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism....Don's brass

I have posted a list of S scale brass I call "More surplus items that will not fit on the sailboat..." Recent additions are highlighted in yellow. Let me know. Don http://stacktalk.com/brass15JAN13.pdf

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71241	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: Bob Hannon

Is this the email address that you used? hannon@... Harwood -----Original Message----- From: rj4010d <bjg@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:01 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Bob Hannon The email address in Bob Hannon's book is not working for me.How do I get in touch with him about rewinding armatures? Thanks in advance !! Bob Guckian Eaton,Oh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71242	From: Frank	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: crazy price for Alco Horns on eBay

I would do repos. Frank On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:01 AM, <djdewey@...> wrote: > Hi all, > I must be missing something here: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-AMERICAN-FLYER-PLASTIC-HORN-ASSY-3-HORNS-/330854680179?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&nma=true&si=chSNAUbqnPWkFUHxzXS%2FcfguzY4%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc > > This auction was for 6 original, new, ACG made, Alco plastic horns. The > auction ended up at $77 plus 5.85 shipping. Hmm repros are around $1.00 > each--what makes these so valuable? Aren't the repros very close to > undetectable? > > Thanks! > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71243	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: crazy price for Alco Horns on eBay

Dave, Look at your org. horns, the repo's have a thin line (of plastic) across the bell part. Mike In a message dated 1/16/2013 5:25:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djdewey@... writes: Hi all, I must be missing something here: _http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-AMERICAN-FLYER-PLASTIC-HORN-ASSY-3-HORNS-/3308546 80179?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&nma=true&si=chSNAUbqnP WkFUHxzXS%2FcfguzY4%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-AMERICAN-FLYER-PLASTIC-HORN-ASSY-3-HORNS-/330854680179?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ss PageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&nma=true&si=chSNAUbqnPWkFUHxzXS/cfguzY4=&orig_cvip=tr ue&rt=nc) This auction was for 6 original, new, ACG made, Alco plastic horns. The auction ended up at $77 plus 5.85 shipping. Hmm repros are around $1.00 each--what makes these so valuable? Aren't the repros very close to undetectable? Thanks! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71244	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: crazy price for Alco Horns on eBay

it's the idiots, who don't know when to quit mel perry On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:01 PM, <djdewey@...> wrote: > Hi all, > I must be missing something here: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-AMERICAN-FLYER-PLASTIC-HORN-ASSY-3-HORNS-/ > 330854680179? > _trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&nma=true&si=chSNAUbqnP > WkFUHxzXS%2FcfguzY4%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc > > This auction was for 6 original, new, ACG made, Alco plastic horns. > The > auction ended up at $77 plus 5.85 shipping. Hmm repros are around > $1.00 > each--what makes these so valuable? Aren't the repros very close to > undetectable? > > Thanks! > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71245	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: Re: Couple more crazy parts prices

the second highest bid was also the same in both auctions.The seller will have to pay the E-Bay fees...Unless the winner & seller agree to call the auction off. Mike In a message dated 1/16/2013 6:26:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, clipper841@... writes: if you notice, the same people bid on both items, they bid up the item, and hope to catch a rookie, or a moron, it's called trolling mel perry On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:13 PM, _djdewey@..._ (mailto:djdewey@...) > wrote: > How about these two assortments of screws, etc. for $ 480 > _http://www.ebay.com/itm/380552001007?_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/380552001007?) > ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 > Or this jumble for $380 > _http://www.ebay.com/itm/380551999876?_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/380551999876?) > ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 > The same seller sold some new steamer drive wheels to at over $100. > Interestingly, the last two high bidders are the same in these > auctions. > Any ideas? > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71246	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/16/2013
Subject: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

After a busy holiday season part five is posted on Chuck Harrington's http://myflyertrains.org of the ongoing "Project Atlantic." In this installment we replace the typical Flyer "inside bearing" trailing truck with an "outside bearing" cast trailing truck and we make a replacement drawbar. In the early years of locomotives with trailing trucks added to support larger fireboxes, the inside bearing type with the wheels exposed was popular. But before long it was found that the heavier fireboxes were better carried by the heavier cast steel outside bearing design. This modification updates the look of the trusty old Atlantic and is not all that hard to do. ...Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71247	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: Bob Hannon

I now have his phone # thanks to all on this list.Will call him today.Thanks again ! Bob Guckian --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Is this the email address that you used? > > > > hannon@... > > > > Harwood > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rj4010d > To: S-Trains > Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:01 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] Bob Hannon > > > > > > The email address in Bob Hannon's book is not working for me.How do I get in touch with him about rewinding armatures? Thanks in advance !! > Bob Guckian Eaton,Oh > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71248	From: Ben Perry	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

Greetings All; Am talking prototypes. here, not models. Some early Atlantics did not have a trailing truck. The "trailing" axle was fixed on the main frame. I have often thought that Gilbert modified their version to have a trailing truck. Maybe some one can find a photo of the prototype Reading Atlantic to see if it had a trailing truck or the axle attached to main frame. Ben Perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71249	From: Bob Hannon	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: Bob Hannon

Bob/Harwood: Yes, a lot has changed since I published the manual. 1. Telephone: My current number is 410-531-3244. At least I had the foresight to put that number in the book. 2. E-Mail: My current e-mail address is hannon@.... My website is http://www.trainrefs.com <http://www.trainrefs.com/> . By the time I made these changes, the outdated information was already in my book(s) and had already been replicated in comments/articles on the internet. I'm still finding articles out there from the late '90s/early 2000's I had no idea existed. As an update, I'm still rewinding individual S-Gauge (as well as O-Gauge and Standard Gauge) armatures/fields and other coils. However, I defer/refer full-up S-Gauge engine, rolling stock, and accessory repairs to any of several individuals/shops with whose work I am familiar. So, contact me if you need a piece rewound (or a brief tutorial on how to become totally invisible/unreachable on the Internet). Bob Hannon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71250	From: Timboy	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

Love following along on these projects, Stumpy! Very inspirational. I have my hands full with my own build right now, but there is always that "someday". Thanks for taking the time to document your projects! -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" wrote: > > After a busy holiday season part five is posted on Chuck Harrington's http://myflyertrains.org of the ongoing "Project Atlantic." In this installment we replace the typical Flyer "inside bearing" trailing truck with an "outside bearing" cast trailing truck and we make a replacement drawbar. > > In the early years of locomotives with trailing trucks added to support larger fireboxes, the inside bearing type with the wheels exposed was popular. But before long it was found that the heavier fireboxes were better carried by the heavier cast steel outside bearing design. > > This modification updates the look of the trusty old Atlantic and is not all that hard to do. ...Stumpy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71251	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: rewinding armatures

If you are not able to contact Bob Hannon about rewinding these armatures I can give you a contact number for a guy in the western part of WI who does these. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71252	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

Reading proto # 350 was a 4-4-4 mounted to the frame engine that was later changed to a 4-4-2 and then i think it was also re arranged wheel to a 4-6-2. You should see photos of 350,351, & 352  on the Reading site off anthraciterr@yahoogroups.com <anthraciterr@yahoogroups.com>.  Gilbert did lots of rare proto type engines. Just think PRR K-5.  Enjoy, i am heading out to watch some S scale trains in Michigan. Frank R. EMIRO ________________________________ From: Ben Perry <traindspr@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted   Greetings All; Am talking prototypes. here, not models. Some early Atlantics did not have a trailing truck. The "trailing" axle was fixed on the main frame. I have often thought that Gilbert modified their version to have a trailing truck. Maybe some one can find a photo of the prototype Reading Atlantic to see if it had a trailing truck or the axle attached to main frame. Ben Perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71253	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Pre War Hardware Question

Hi Folks, I have tried the usual sources to no avail. Can someone tell me what I need to attach the front truck to a Flyer 561? I have the loco and I have the truck. It seems likely I need a shouldered machine screw of some size and a conical spring. Once I know the screw size, I can probably use one with some brass tubing to perform like the shouldered part. Not sure about how to fake the spring. I am attending a TCA show in Stuart, FL with a loop or two of track for kids to run trains on. There will be an S-Gauge loop and an O-Gauge loop. It would be a treat to have similar Flyer locos on them at the same time. Thanks, Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71254	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

Reading#350, I believe, is and was the AC Gilbert proto engine. It can be found. When you view it you will say "What the heck is this?". It was a 4 4 4 and also changed to a different type wheel arrangements as well.  check out anthraciterr@yahoogroups.com and go to Reading site <anthraciterr@yahoogroups.com>; # 351 & 352 should also be on the site. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Ben Perry <traindspr@...> wrote:   > >Greetings All; >Am talking prototypes. here, not models. >Some early Atlantics did not have a trailing truck. The "trailing" axle was fixed on the main frame. I have often thought that Gilbert modified their version to have a trailing truck. >Maybe some one can find a photo of the prototype Reading Atlantic to see if it had a trailing truck or the axle attached to main frame. >Ben Perry > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71255	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

Hi Ben, Interesting question... I believe in this case it is a trailing truck. Prototype pictures available on NE Rails website http://www.northeast.railfan.net/rdg_steam1.html I believe the prototype for our AF models was the Reading P7sa, like probably road # 350-351 on this list. Some pretty good pictures there make it appear as a trailing truck to me. BTW, here in Portland, Oregon we are restoring #197 a Pacific from the Oregon Rail & Navigation (OR&N). It was built in 1905 by Baldwin. At first glance it appears the last axle is rigid with the frame. You have to very closely look inside to determine that the mechanism does allow for some sideways movement. But it is not in my mind a true trailing truck. Info at ORHF.org Come see it and our two operating 4-8-4s in our brand new Oregon Rail Heritage Center! Al Baker Portland, Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ben Perry wrote: > > Greetings All; > Am talking prototypes. here, not models. > Some early Atlantics did not have a trailing truck. The "trailing" axle was fixed on the main frame. I have often thought that Gilbert modified their version to have a trailing truck. > Maybe some one can find a photo of the prototype Reading Atlantic to see if it had a trailing truck or the axle attached to main frame. > Ben Perry > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71256	From: Donald Keil	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

Frank I assume s scale in the eastern part of the state.  Don Keil West Mich s scale ________________________________ From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted   Reading proto # 350 was a 4-4-4 mounted to the frame engine that was later changed to a 4-4-2 and then i think it was also re arranged wheel to a 4-6-2. You should see photos of 350,351, & 352  on the Reading site off anthraciterr@yahoogroups.com anthraciterr@yahoogroups.com>.  Gilbert did lots of rare proto type engines. Just think PRR K-5.  Enjoy, i am heading out to watch some S scale trains in Michigan. Frank R. EMIRO ________________________________ From: Ben Perry traindspr@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted   Greetings All; Am talking prototypes. here, not models. Some early Atlantics did not have a trailing truck. The "trailing" axle was fixed on the main frame. I have often thought that Gilbert modified their version to have a trailing truck. Maybe some one can find a photo of the prototype Reading Atlantic to see if it had a trailing truck or the axle attached to main frame. Ben Perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71257	From: preardon4	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: Pre War Hardware Question

Hi Bill, Yes, there is a screw and a spring. I would check with Doug at Portlines. I bet he has the parts you are looking for. Pat, in Maine ---- Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I have tried the usual sources to no avail. Can someone tell me what I > need to attach the front truck to a Flyer 561? I have the loco and I > have the truck. It seems likely I need a shouldered machine screw of > some size and a conical spring. > > Once I know the screw size, I can probably use one with some brass > tubing to perform like the shouldered part. Not sure about how to fake > the spring. > > I am attending a TCA show in Stuart, FL with a loop or two of track for > kids to run trains on. There will be an S-Gauge loop and an O-Gauge > loop. It would be a treat to have similar Flyer locos on them at the > same time. > > Thanks, > Bill > > -- > Bill Porter > South Florida > wpporter.duckburg.us >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71258	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" wrote: > > Love following along on these projects, Stumpy! Very inspirational. I have my hands full with my own build right now, but there is always that "someday". Thanks for taking the time to document your projects! > > -Tim > > Ditto. I've used the LBR trailing truck as well, and it's great. I also have purchased their lead truck, and it's a beauty; nice and heavy, eliminates derailments, and looks good,too! Mark Mugnai > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71259	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: Pre War Hardware Question

Thanks Pat, I have never been to Maine. Reading a book set here right now. My wife and I have hopes. Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 1/17/2013 1:14 PM, preardon@... wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Yes, there is a screw and a spring. I would check with Doug at Portlines. I bet he has the parts you are looking for. > > Pat, in Maine > ---- Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71260	From: snstrains	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

I agree with Al. #s 350/351 seem to be the prototype and have a moving trailing truck. Steve In a message dated 1/17/2013 11:08:54 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, albaker33@... writes: Hi Ben, Interesting question... I believe in this case it is a trailing truck. Prototype pictures available on NE Rails website _http://www.northeast.railfan.net/rdg_steam1.html_ (http://www.northeast.railfan.net/rdg_steam1.html) I believe the prototype for our AF models was the Reading P7sa, like probably road # 350-351 on this list. Some pretty good pictures there make it appear as a trailing truck to me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71261	From: Rich	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Reading Atlantic prototypes

As Al Baker points out, the series of pictures at the NE rails website - engines #350-353 - sure look to be almost dead on prototypes of the ACG Atlantics - especially the versions with the 4 piece boilers. Interesting that most of the other 4-4-2's pictured on the website are camelbacks. Stumpy, you may recognize the 'real' version of your kitbashed Atlantic in one of the two pictures of the Reading loco #351 - one of them has the headlight centered on the boiler front, just as you've done in your kitbashing series. BTW, thanks very much for that - its very informative. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71262	From: Rich	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: trailing truck mechanics

It occurs to me that I'm not at all clear on how a trailing truck provides support to the boiler end of the locomotive. Because the truck pivots - and the pivot point is not over the axle or centered on there truck itself, I don't see how the weight gets transferred to the truck - at least not very efficiently. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71263	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Trailing Truck Mechanics

All steam locomotives have a suspension just like an automobile, but it is called "equalization." The trailing truck supports the firebox, which is the after portion of the boiler. The trailing truck has it's own suspension and uses a sliding bearing to support the firebox and yet be able to swing to go around curves and through switches. Longer and heavier fireboxes require heavier trailing trucks, such as the four wheel type under Hudsons and Northerns. There are even locomotives which used 6 wheel trailing trucks, on the C&O and Pennsy for instance. The "swing" of trailing trucks is actually very small compared to our toy trains, so movement is not unreasonable. The same sort of sliding bearings are used to allow the front engine of an articulated locomotive to swing under the boiler to round curves and go through switches. At the front end of a locomotive, the pilot truck or leading truck also swings and also supports the boiler at the smokebox end. However, it has the important job of leading the locomotive chassis into a curve, somewhat like "steering" it. Four wheel leading trucks are used on high speed passenger locos for more stable "steering," while two wheel leading trucks are used more on lower speed freight engines. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71264	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: Pre War Hardware Question

Hi Bill, � The screw to attach the XA8961 Pilot Truck on a 561 K-5 is PA4939.  Its the same screw used on the early XA10012 "S" Gauge Pilot Truck.  I sell these original $1.50 each or repro 4/$1.95. You should also use a PA8887 Cone Spring and a W-6 Fiber Washer. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Bill Porter To: S Trains List Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Pre War Hardware Question   Hi Folks, I have tried the usual sources to no avail. Can someone tell me what I need to attach the front truck to a Flyer 561? I have the loco and I have the truck. It seems likely I need a shouldered machine screw of some size and a conical spring. Once I know the screw size, I can probably use one with some brass tubing to perform like the shouldered part. Not sure about how to fake the spring. I am attending a TCA show in Stuart, FL with a loop or two of track for kids to run trains on. There will be an S-Gauge loop and an O-Gauge loop. It would be a treat to have similar Flyer locos on them at the same time. Thanks, Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71265	From: Al Baker	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Re: trailing truck mechanics

Rich, You are right that on models, there is no support. They are only there for looks. However, on the real ones, it is much different. There are load bearing plates on top of the trucks that provide support to the weight of the firebox and cab above. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" wrote: > > It occurs to me that I'm not at all clear on how a trailing truck provides support to the boiler end of the locomotive. Because the truck pivots - and the pivot point is not over the axle or centered on there truck itself, I don't see how the weight gets transferred to the truck - at least not very efficiently. > > - Rich >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71266	From: Ben	Date: 1/17/2013
Subject: Request...Protoype circus set photso from Flyer Nut meeting a few ye

Trying to track down photos of the prototype #5002 circus set as shown at the Flyer Nut meeting (YORK TCA) a few years ago. Did anyone take any? Would you mind sharing them with me? Thanks much! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71267	From: Herbert	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Pre War Hardware Question

Maine's a beautiful state. No really large cities. I'm a lifetime New Yorker, who loves the "Big Apple," so you are getting an objective opinion. BTW, Banning Repplier, the former Gilbert, advertising manager, who did all the catalogs, 1950-1958, lived in Maine in his retirement years. So did Mario Caruso of Lionel(who was friends with AC Gilbert) Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter wrote: > > Thanks Pat, > > I have never been to Maine. Reading a book set here right now. My wife > and I have hopes. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > wpporter.duckburg.us > > On 1/17/2013 1:14 PM, preardon@... wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > > > Yes, there is a screw and a spring. I would check with Doug at Portlines. I bet he has the parts you are looking for. > > > > Pat, in Maine > > ---- Bill Porter wrote: > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71268	From: rick gough	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: crazy price for Alco Horns on eBay

collectors are just a little weird on value ...   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71269	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

This is on the Reading site For # 110, http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/rdg110sa.jpg Frank R. EMIRO ________________________________ From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted     Reading#350, I believe, is and was the AC Gilbert proto engine. It can be found. When you view it you will say "What the heck is this?". It was a 4 4 4 and also changed to a different type wheel arrangements as well.  check out mailto:anthraciterr%40yahoogroups.com and go to Reading site mailto:anthraciterr%40yahoogroups.com>; # 351 & 352 should also be on the site. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Ben Perry mailto:traindspr%40hotmail.com> wrote:   > >Greetings All; >Am talking prototypes. here, not models. >Some early Atlantics did not have a trailing truck. The "trailing" axle was fixed on the main frame. I have often thought that Gilbert modified their version to have a trailing truck. >Maybe some one can find a photo of the prototype Reading Atlantic to see if it had a trailing truck or the axle attached to main frame. >Ben Perry > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71270	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

Oh yes it was all scale and truly outstanding layout and a GREAT Scale RRer. Frank R. EMIRO ________________________________ From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted   Frank I assume s scale in the eastern part of the state.  Don Keil West Mich s scale ________________________________ From: frank emiro mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com> To: "mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted   Reading proto # 350 was a 4-4-4 mounted to the frame engine that was later changed to a 4-4-2 and then i think it was also re arranged wheel to a 4-6-2. You should see photos of 350,351, & 352  on the Reading site off mailto:anthraciterr%40yahoogroups.com mailto:anthraciterr%40yahoogroups.com>.  Gilbert did lots of rare proto type engines. Just think PRR K-5.  Enjoy, i am heading out to watch some S scale trains in Michigan. Frank R. EMIRO ________________________________ From: Ben Perry mailto:traindspr%40hotmail.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted   Greetings All; Am talking prototypes. here, not models. Some early Atlantics did not have a trailing truck. The "trailing" axle was fixed on the main frame. I have often thought that Gilbert modified their version to have a trailing truck. Maybe some one can find a photo of the prototype Reading Atlantic to see if it had a trailing truck or the axle attached to main frame. Ben Perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71271	From: vito4cal	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Annoucement: S West 8 - Reminder

1 Week to the show, hope to see you there. S West Committee --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "vito4cal" wrote: > > 2013 O Scale West & S West 8 > > Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi! > > There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, clinics, videos & contest. > > The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running – bring your equipment to run on the layout. Equipment must meet NASG standards. > > Convention info: > > January 24-26, 2013 > Hyatt Regency Santa Clara > 5101 Great America Parkway > Santa Clara, CA 95054 > Reservations: 800-233-1234 > Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234 > Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939 > > Admission: $25 for registrations postmarked by December 31, 2012; $30 at the door; registration includes spouse and all children under age of 18 > > Saturday only - $20 > > Table Rentals: $35/table if registration is postmarked by December 31, 2012; $40 after December 31, 2012, electrical hook up is free. > > Additional information & registration forms available at: http://www.oscalewest.com > > Additional questions, please contact John Gibson offline. > > Look forward to seeing you at the show. > > S West Convention Committee, > > John Gibson > Lee Johnson > Bill McClung > Howard Sheffield >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71272	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Pre War Hardware Question

Thanks Tom, Just what I needed to know. Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 1/17/2013 8:10 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > Hi Bill, > � The screw to attach the XA8961 Pilot Truck on a 561 K-5 is PA4939. Its the same screw used on the early XA10012 "S" Gauge Pilot Truck. I sell these original $1.50 each or repro 4/$1.95. You should also use a PA8887 Cone Spring and a W-6 Fiber Washer. > � Tom Seccia > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71273	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: trailing truck mechanics

The lead and trailing truck are tied into the equalization and springing for the entire locomotive and the designer can adjust the amount of weight carried by any individual element by altering the springs and levers connecting them. The bulk of the weight of a locomotive rests on the cylinder chest and the sliding bearings at the firebox (to allow for the expansion and contraction of the boiler). Most all the weight is somehow hung off the smokebox/boiler/cab as a unit. Some weight is in the frame and attached to it. The "articulated" trailing truck (as used under Lima A-1, T&P 2-10-4, etc.)and four wheel lead trucks act more like a conventional freight or passenger car truck but still get weight transfer via bearing plates. Charlie Vlk It occurs to me that I'm not at all clear on how a trailing truck provides support to the boiler end of the locomotive. Because the truck pivots - and the pivot point is not over the axle or centered on there truck itself, I don't see how the weight gets transferred to the truck - at least not very efficiently. - Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71274	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

I have a couple of 280 series shells with bad screw holes.  Can't wait for part 6! Neil in Oregon --- On Thu, 1/17/13, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 1:55 AM   After a busy holiday season part five is posted on Chuck Harrington's http://myflyertrains.org of the ongoing "Project Atlantic." In this installment we replace the typical Flyer "inside bearing" trailing truck with an "outside bearing" cast trailing truck and we make a replacement drawbar. In the early years of locomotives with trailing trucks added to support larger fireboxes, the inside bearing type with the wheels exposed was popular. But before long it was found that the heavier fireboxes were better carried by the heavier cast steel outside bearing design. This modification updates the look of the trusty old Atlantic and is not all that hard to do. ...Stumpy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71275	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Amherst Railway Show

This is a reminder that the large 2 day Amherst Railway Model Train Show is coming January 26th and 27th on the grounds of the Eastern States Exposition in West Springfield, MA. Many S-Scale vendors, beautiful layouts from the Bristol S-Gaugers and the Sn2 Modular Layout Group, along with many members from the other S-Scale groups such as the Pioneer Valley S-Gaugers, Connecticut S-Gaugers, and Maine S-Gaugers in attendance. Also visit the NASG table manned by members of the Bristol Club. Hours are 9:00am - 5:00pm on the 26th, and 10:00am - 5:00pm the 27th. See everyone there! Steven Allen Springfield, MA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71276	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: SHS repair business

> I am pleased to announce that Clay and Barb of "Dave's Twacks and Twains" have purchased our repair business and WILL be set to start selling parts and doing repairs on SHS trains. You can read their press release here: > > http://davestnt.com/_wsn/page3.html > > Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71277	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted

Hi Neil, You can see how I repair broken engine mounts at this gallery: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126 I haven't found time to add comments to all of the photos, but the repair is made using JB Weld and a plastic straw to repair the mounting post. Then it is drilled and a self tapping screw is used to set the threads. It's an easy repair! Good luck! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, NEIL FERRIS wrote: > > I have a couple of 280 series shells with bad screw holes.  Can't wait for part 6! > > Neil in Oregon > > --- On Thu, 1/17/13, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > From: mrstumpy50 > Subject: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" Part Five posted > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 1:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > After a busy holiday season part five is posted on Chuck Harrington's http://myflyertrains.org of the ongoing "Project Atlantic." In this installment we replace the typical Flyer "inside bearing" trailing truck with an "outside bearing" cast trailing truck and we make a replacement drawbar. > > > > In the early years of locomotives with trailing trucks added to support larger fireboxes, the inside bearing type with the wheels exposed was popular. But before long it was found that the heavier fireboxes were better carried by the heavier cast steel outside bearing design. > > > > This modification updates the look of the trusty old Atlantic and is not all that hard to do. ...Stumpy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71278	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: SHS repair business

Good news. Will they be selling such things as draft gear box screws and the little colored lenses for the lanterns on the cabooses? John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Cc: S Train e-group ; e_group Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 01:54 PM Subject: [showcaseline] Re: SHS repair business > I am pleased to announce that Clay and Barb of "Dave's Twacks and Twains" have purchased our repair business and WILL be set to start selling parts and doing repairs on SHS trains. You can read their press release here: > > http://davestnt.com/_wsn/page3.html > > Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71279	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Reading Atlantic prototypes

I have a book on my shelf with a builder's photo of one of those engines. Would you believe they were built as 4-4-4s? "...being unstable they were rebuilt in 1916 into Atlantics." --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" wrote: > > As Al Baker points out, the series of pictures at the NE rails website - engines #350-353 - sure look to be almost dead on prototypes of the ACG Atlantics - especially the versions with the 4 piece boilers. Interesting that most of the other 4-4-2's pictured on the website are camelbacks. > > Stumpy, you may recognize the 'real' version of your kitbashed Atlantic in one of the two pictures of the Reading loco #351 - one of them has the headlight centered on the boiler front, just as you've done in your kitbashing series. BTW, thanks very much for that - its very informative. > > - Rich >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71280	From: wjjim2001	Date: 1/18/2013
Subject: Re: Reading Atlantic prototypes

THAT is because the 4 READING Atlantics, originally built as 4-4-4's by the RDG, were the prototype of the ACG Atlantics. The ACG "prototype" was cast brass, I've held it in my hands, authenticated by Maury Romer many years ago. The "4 wheel "trailing" truck was unstable and soon removed by RDG shop forces. Jim Lyle In a message dated 1/17/2013 7:10:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, richs009@... writes: As Al Baker points out, the series of pictures at the NE rails website - engines #350-353 - sure look to be almost dead on prototypes of the ACG Atlantics [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71281	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/19/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/20/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 20, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71282	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/19/2013
Subject: New S Products From Tichy Train Group

Good news for S scale... for those of you who like Tichy Train Group's products... looks like they will be adding a few new S items soon - Gas Pumps, Garage Doors and Freight Car Ladders. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Tichy To: John Degnan Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 07:39 PM Subject: Re: Tichy Train Group NEW PRODUCTS & SHOWS 3509 HAS BEEN AROUND, HOWEVER DUE TO AN OVERSIGHT IT WAS NEVER LISTED ON THE SITE. 3520 IS BRAND NEW. IN THE NEXT 2 MONTHS WE WILL HAVE THE GAS PUMPS, A BAGGAGE DOOR & A FREIGHT CAR LADDER IN S. DON On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:36 PM, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: Hi Don, Correct me if I am wrong... but haven't items 3509 and 3520 been in your S scale product line for some time now? They are the only two S scale items listed on the "NEW PRODUCTS" page you referenced in your e-mail, but I'm pretty sure I've seen them listed for quite a while. John Degnan 155 Zachary Trail Ellabell, GA 31308 (912) 658-3504 - (10:am - 7:pm EST, Mon-Sun) - My Cell Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71283	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/20/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 20, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71284	From: Jerry	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: New S Products From Tichy Train Group

Gents, I ordered a bunch of windows and doors from them and they're as nice as any I've seen. If you order a large enough quantity, there's a volume discount. Just my two cents... Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" wrote: > > Good news for S scale... for those of you who like Tichy Train Group's products... looks like they will be adding a few new S items soon - Gas Pumps, Garage Doors and Freight Car Ladders. > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > Scaler187@... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Tichy > To: John Degnan > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 07:39 PM > Subject: Re: Tichy Train Group NEW PRODUCTS & SHOWS > > > 3509 HAS BEEN AROUND, HOWEVER DUE TO AN OVERSIGHT IT WAS NEVER LISTED ON THE SITE. > 3520 IS BRAND NEW. IN THE NEXT 2 MONTHS WE WILL HAVE THE GAS PUMPS, A BAGGAGE DOOR & A FREIGHT CAR LADDER IN S. > > DON > > > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 7:36 PM, John Degnan wrote: > > Hi Don, > > Correct me if I am wrong... but haven't items 3509 and 3520 been in your S scale product line for some time now? They are the only two S scale items listed on the "NEW PRODUCTS" page you referenced in your e-mail, but I'm pretty sure I've seen them listed for quite a while. > > > John Degnan > 155 Zachary Trail > Ellabell, GA 31308 > (912) 658-3504 - (10:am - 7:pm EST, Mon-Sun) - My Cell > Scaler164@... > Scaler187@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71285	From: Rich	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: arduino's and flyer

Are any of you folks using an Arduino (a microcomputer) for block control or triggering accessories, like a crossing signal, etc.? I have been planning to build some across-the-track sensors (based on an IR-emitting LED and photosensor) to replace the not-very-reliable Flyer track trips. Triggering an electronic circuit also has the advantage that one can control the way the lights blink (and the length of time they blink), ring a bell, etc. One way to go with this - as several folks have discussed in detail in this group - is to have 'purpose-built' circuits to handle specific outcomes like blinking a light, lowering a crossing gate, un-powering/repowering a block (and controlling the light/semaphore), etc. Recently I started to look at whether programing an Arduino would be a more flexible way to do this, as it can control blinking lights, sound cards, and relays to control blocks or higher current applications with essentially common hardware. If one googles "Arduino and model railroads", there is a huge amount of activity in this area, but a lot of it is specifically devoted to train control, even CTC activities and "automated switching and dispatching". There is a lot of lines of code devoted to fairly complex tasks (called 'sketches' in the Arduino world). I'm looking for something much simpler - at least to start with. I don't see using an Arduino as a fancy throttle. Any experience 'out there' with this approach? thanks, - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71286	From: johntech	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer

HI Rich I have started doing just that. I am using an Arduino Uno 3 to program an ATtiny45 for some basic block signals. I am using IR detectors to sense the train and control the signal lights and it works great. The ATtiny45 is a 8 pin chip with 6 I/O pins and can be programmed very easily with the Arduino Uno. It cost under 75 cents each in quantities. John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] arduino's and flyer Are any of you folks using an Arduino (a microcomputer) for block control or triggering accessories, like a crossing signal, etc.? I have been planning to build some across-the-track sensors (based on an IR-emitting LED and photosensor) to replace the not-very-reliable Flyer track trips. Triggering an electronic circuit also has the advantage that one can control the way the lights blink (and the length of time they blink), ring a bell, etc. One way to go with this - as several folks have discussed in detail in this group - is to have 'purpose-built' circuits to handle specific outcomes like blinking a light, lowering a crossing gate, un-powering/repowering a block (and controlling the light/semaphore), etc. Recently I started to look at whether programing an Arduino would be a more flexible way to do this, as it can control blinking lights, sound cards, and relays to control blocks or higher current applications with essentially common hardware. If one googles "Arduino and model railroads", there is a huge amount of activity in this area, but a lot of it is specifically devoted to train control, even CTC activities and "automated switching and dispatching". There is a lot of lines of code devoted to fairly complex tasks (called 'sketches' in the Arduino world). I'm looking for something much simpler - at least to start with. I don't see using an Arduino as a fancy throttle. Any experience 'out there' with this approach? thanks, - Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71287	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: EXPANDING PRODUCT LINE

I'm thinking of expanding my product line. A 4 oz bottle of unscented for the same price as my Org Gilbert $10 Also a Balsam blend in the same size & price All products will still carry my 100% guarantee, if you don't like it for ANY REASON 100% refund including shipping Please respond off list Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71288	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: EXPANDING PRODUCT LINE PS:

I forgot to add the new products will be 100% non toxic & the org formula will soon follow suit. The unscented is already up & running Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71289	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: DOUG PECK

Is Doug Peck in town? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71290	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: DOUG PECK

Good evening Michael. His calendar shows that he will be open only on Tuesday, January 22, from 2-5 p.m. The following week he returns from the West Springfield, MA train show and he will be open again on Tues-Wed-and Thursday. Closed Friday and open again on Saturday, February 2. Take care. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71291	From: lgv57	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer

Rich, Check out the following website: http://www.picaxe.com/ The PICAXE microcontroller was originally designed for educational systems for schools. The microcontrollers can perform the functions you desire and can be programmed using the simple BASIC programming language with a PC computer. The Arduine method, I believe is costly and more complex than is required for the applications you desire. Bob South --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" wrote: > > Are any of you folks using an Arduino (a microcomputer) for block control or triggering accessories, like a crossing signal, etc.? I have been planning to build some across-the-track sensors (based on an IR-emitting LED and photosensor) to replace the not-very-reliable Flyer track trips. Triggering an electronic circuit also has the advantage that one can control the way the lights blink (and the length of time they blink), ring a bell, etc. One way to go with this - as several folks have discussed in detail in this group - is to have 'purpose-built' circuits to handle specific outcomes like blinking a light, lowering a crossing gate, un-powering/repowering a block (and controlling the light/semaphore), etc. > > Recently I started to look at whether programing an Arduino would be a more flexible way to do this, as it can control blinking lights, sound cards, and relays to control blocks or higher current applications with essentially common hardware. If one googles "Arduino and model railroads", there is a huge amount of activity in this area, but a lot of it is specifically devoted to train control, even CTC activities and "automated switching and dispatching". There is a lot of lines of code devoted to fairly complex tasks (called 'sketches' in the Arduino world). I'm looking for something much simpler - at least to start with. I don't see using an Arduino as a fancy throttle. > > Any experience 'out there' with this approach? > > thanks, > > - Rich >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71292	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: DOUG PECK

Thank You Bob & others. No more need for answers....Mike In a message dated 1/20/2013 7:29:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, biannaco@... writes: Good evening Michael. His calendar shows that he will be open only on Tuesday, January 22, from 2-5 p.m. The following week he returns from the West Springfield, MA train show and he will be open again on Tues-Wed-and Thursday. Closed Friday and open again on Saturday, February 2. Take care. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71293	From: Rich	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer

John - thanks. I looked quickly at the ATtiny45 and there are a number of posts about programming it from the Arduino. I'm not clear on the advantage of using the separate chip (besides its very small size, which could have some advantages). From what I've been able to read, there appear to be a number of add-on boards (apparently called "shields") that plug into the Arduino, including some that allow multiplexing both the inputs and the outputs so that one can control many circuits from the Arduino. At this point, my needs (all theoretical) seem to be fairly small - perhaps a dozen or so different circuits for controlling blocks, crossing lights, etc. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" wrote: > > HI Rich > > I have started doing just that. I am using an Arduino Uno 3 to program an ATtiny45 for some basic block signals. > I am using IR detectors to sense the train and control the signal lights and it works great. The ATtiny45 is a 8 > pin chip with 6 I/O pins and can be programmed very easily with the Arduino Uno. It cost under 75 cents each > in quantities. > > > John Frankforther > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rich > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 6:34 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] arduino's and flyer > > > > Are any of you folks using an Arduino (a microcomputer) for block control or triggering accessories, like a crossing signal, etc.? I have been planning to build some across-the-track sensors (based on an IR-emitting LED and photosensor) to replace the not-very-reliable Flyer track trips. Triggering an electronic circuit also has the advantage that one can control the way the lights blink (and the length of time they blink), ring a bell, etc. One way to go with this - as several folks have discussed in detail in this group - is to have 'purpose-built' circuits to handle specific outcomes like blinking a light, lowering a crossing gate, un-powering/repowering a block (and controlling the light/semaphore), etc. > > Recently I started to look at whether programing an Arduino would be a more flexible way to do this, as it can control blinking lights, sound cards, and relays to control blocks or higher current applications with essentially common hardware. If one googles "Arduino and model railroads", there is a huge amount of activity in this area, but a lot of it is specifically devoted to train control, even CTC activities and "automated switching and dispatching". There is a lot of lines of code devoted to fairly complex tasks (called 'sketches' in the Arduino world). I'm looking for something much simpler - at least to start with. I don't see using an Arduino as a fancy throttle. > > Any experience 'out there' with this approach? > > thanks, > > - Rich > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71294	From: elmot49	Date: 1/20/2013
Subject: 314AW whistle not working????

Hi, just picked up a 314AW and controller on Ebay.. Cannot get whistle to blow, have controller wired correctly to transformer and track. When activating the toggle on the controller, it makes the 314 run faster, but no whistle. Everything seems to be wired correctly in tender. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71295	From: Lon Walker	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????

Hi ,   The tender wiring on those is very tricky. They packed a lot into that tender. Do you know for sure that the whistle works? I would guess that the problem is in the tender rather than the controller if you have it correctly hooked up. My engine speeds up when I use the controller also. You might have to adjust the return spring on the unit in the tender that turns the whistle on and off. There are probably others on here that can go into more detail and I am looking forward to more information. Thanks.  Lon Walker >________________________________ > From: elmot49 <kctaylor3@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:13 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] 314AW whistle not working???? > > >  >Hi, just picked up a 314AW and controller on Ebay.. Cannot get whistle to blow, have controller wired correctly to transformer and track. When activating the toggle on the controller, it makes the 314 run faster, but no whistle. Everything seems to be wired correctly in tender. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71296	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????

This is one of my favorite engines with the best whistle in my opinion. But it is very temperamental and you will have to take it apart and work on it to get it going. Some years back I had a problem with mine and I had to open the whistle control box and fix the inside of it. Good Luck Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 11:13 PM, "elmot49" <kctaylor3@...> wrote: > Hi, just picked up a 314AW and controller on Ebay.. Cannot get whistle to blow, have controller wired correctly to transformer and track. When activating the toggle on the controller, it makes the 314 run faster, but no whistle. Everything seems to be wired correctly in tender. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71297	From: tomminil	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????

Hi If you or a friend has an old Lionel transformer with a whistle controler use it to test the 314 . controler. Radio Shack parts can be used to repair or make AW whistle controllers     Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® II, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Rich Falzini <rfalzini@...> Date: 01/21/2013 12:29 AM (GMT-05:00) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 314AW whistle not working???? This is one of my favorite engines with the best whistle in my opinion. But it is very temperamental and you will have to take it apart and work on it to get it going. Some years back I had a problem with mine and I had to open the whistle control box and fix the inside of it. Good Luck Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 11:13 PM, "elmot49" kctaylor3@...> wrote: > Hi, just picked up a 314AW and controller on Ebay.. Cannot get whistle to blow, have controller wired correctly to transformer and track. When activating the toggle on the controller, it makes the 314 run faster, but no whistle. Everything seems to be wired correctly in tender. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71298	From: Herbert	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????

This is the reason Gilbert discontinued the 314 AW, Big maintenance problems. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rich Falzini wrote: > > This is one of my favorite engines with the best whistle in my opinion. But it is very temperamental and you will have to take it apart and work on it to get it going. Some years back I had a problem with mine and I had to open the whistle control box and fix the inside of it. Good Luck > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 20, 2013, at 11:13 PM, "elmot49" wrote: > > > Hi, just picked up a 314AW and controller on Ebay.. Cannot get whistle to blow, have controller wired correctly to transformer and track. When activating the toggle on the controller, it makes the 314 run faster, but no whistle. Everything seems to be wired correctly in tender. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71299	From: KEITH TAYLOR	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????

Hi Lon, Thanks for the info. No I don"t know that the whistle works. I didn't ask the seller, all that was stated in the description was that it was in good working condition..and the engine does run and smoke good. I do recall when I first put it on the track and ran it, I did hear a faint whistle sound, but this was before I got the controller. But since then that sound quit. I'll check the return spring. Thanks again, Keith On Jan 21, 2013, at 12:59 AM, Lon Walker wrote: > Hi , The tender wiring on those is very tricky. They packed a lot into that tender. Do you know for sure that the whistle works? I would guess that the problem is in the tender rather than the controller if you have it correctly hooked up. My engine speeds up when I use the controller also. You might have to adjust the return spring on the unit in the tender that turns the whistle on and off. There are probably others on here that can go into more detail and I am looking forward to more information. Thanks. Lon Walker > > >________________________________ > > From: elmot49 kctaylor3@...> > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:13 PM > >Subject: [S-Trains] 314AW whistle not working???? > > > > > > > >Hi, just picked up a 314AW and controller on Ebay.. Cannot get whistle to blow, have controller wired correctly to transformer and track. When activating the toggle on the controller, it makes the 314 run faster, but no whistle. Everything seems to be wired correctly in tender. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71300	From: stephen.terni	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Wiring for AC and DC

Hi all, I have a question regarding wiring my layout to have the option of running AC or DC. Currently I have four independent loops, each with its own variable voltage (hot) feed from a separate transformer. However the four loops share a common base (ground?) wire as the transformers are in phase. I recently acquired aome vintage ACG DC locomotives which I would like to run from time to time on one of the loops. It is easy enough to switch the hot feed to a DC transformer. My question is can I continue to use the common base wire for the negative DC connection or do I need to run a separate wire for this loop? Thanks for your help. Steve in Houston

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71301	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Long Beach/South Bay Layouts Needed For Tour (So. Calif.)

This is the first call for layouts for Layout Tour No. 38 on Saturday, May 18. We're looking for operating layouts in any scale in the Long Beach/South Bay area of Southern California. As always, this will be a free, self-guided model railroad tour sponsored by my Yahoo group, Model Railroads of Southern California. The tours are designed to promote the hobby and allow layout owners to showcase their work. All owners need to do is operate their trains. I will do all the planning and publicity, as I have done for thirty-seven other tours since 2006. Please contact me OFF LIST at chiefbobbb@... if you are interested in displaying your layout or know someone who may be interested. Thank you. Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/ +++++ Other Scheduled Tours Bakersfield-Tehachapi – March 8, 9 & 10 (http://www.gehams.net/page19.html) National Narrow Gauge Convention (So. Calif.) – August 2013 (http://www.33rdnngc.com/) Central Coast Railroad Festival – October 10-14 (http://www.ccrrf.com/) Banning Train Festival – October 19th & 20th http://banning100birthday.com/2012/11/26/centennial-train-fest/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71302	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: AC DC wiring

You don't need to buy a dc transformer, you can wire in a full wave rectifier with at dpdt switch that you would use to switch between ac and dc voltage. In doing this you would not have to worry about phasing of the new transformer. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71303	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer

I'm using Arduinos for N scale projects these days, like signalling for example... http://ttrak.wikidot.com/gopher-valley-central#toc2 ...and I find them versatile and easy to use. With S Gauge projects, you're dealing with relatively high currents, so some additional output hardware will be required to drive Gilbert's solenoids and such. There's lots of reference material out there for nearly every application. Stop by Radio Shack for the board, the "introduction" book, and a few widgets, and you could have your grade-crossing flashers working by next week. Really. Best of luck, and have fun! --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" wrote: > > Are any of you folks using an Arduino (a microcomputer) for block control or triggering accessories, like a crossing signal, etc.? I have been planning to build some across-the-track sensors (based on an IR-emitting LED and photosensor) to replace the not-very-reliable Flyer track trips. Triggering an electronic circuit also has the advantage that one can control the way the lights blink (and the length of time they blink), ring a bell, etc. One way to go with this - as several folks have discussed in detail in this group - is to have 'purpose-built' circuits to handle specific outcomes like blinking a light, lowering a crossing gate, un-powering/repowering a block (and controlling the light/semaphore), etc. > > Recently I started to look at whether programing an Arduino would be a more flexible way to do this, as it can control blinking lights, sound cards, and relays to control blocks or higher current applications with essentially common hardware. If one googles "Arduino and model railroads", there is a huge amount of activity in this area, but a lot of it is specifically devoted to train control, even CTC activities and "automated switching and dispatching". There is a lot of lines of code devoted to fairly complex tasks (called 'sketches' in the Arduino world). I'm looking for something much simpler - at least to start with. I don't see using an Arduino as a fancy throttle. > > Any experience 'out there' with this approach? > > thanks, > > - Rich >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71304	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????

314AW's have a sweet, slightly higher pitch whistle than a bulletin board whistle and are great fun to run - - when working. However, they are cantankerous. I have repaired them. One in which someone decided to cut every wire in the tender off at the route. Talk about apparent frustration. The impeller had to be replaced, the DC activation coil rewound (it was fried), all new wires run, and thorough maintenance measures taken, but in the end it worked great. In a pinch you can test one with 3 D cell batteries in a row instead of the activation control box. Just pass the variable voltage through the 3Ds and the coil will trip. Have the engine locked in neutral or on rollers. Good luck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71305	From: dtrains@ymail.com	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: AC/DC operation of AF

From: "dtrains@..." <dtrains@...> Hi, you may wish to just operate on DC only. The AF S - AC engines are field wound, and do not care whether the electricity flowing through field windings is AC or DC. You will find that your AC engines run quieter, cooler and stronger on DC. The reverse unit will still work the same on DC or AC through the sequences.... NOW for the WARNING: NEVER run a DC motor on AC, AC will destroy properties of a permanent magnet and therefore your DC AF engine. The DC equipped engines will require a DPDT toggle switch to select forward or reverse (center off type is a great help). The DPDT switch has NO effect on a field wound (AC/"UNIVERSAL") type motor, you will still have to sequence through your reverse to change directions. An aside is that accessories that run off track power, such a the action caboose/observation will also operate quieter as they do not buzz loudly as with the AC power. One thing that you may find is that over a lengthy period of time the sheet metal bottom reversing flapper (which ratchets the reversing drum) may become "magnetized" and stick more frequently. This can be overcome by sticking a small thin square of lead weight to bottom of this flapper (stick on car weights/thin sheet lead). This will require that you access the bottom of the reversing unit. I have done this as a routine "upgrade" when I service my AF engines and their reversing units...makes for a much better return of flapper and positioning for next cycle. Finally you may wish to hard wire a full wave bridge rectifier into all your AC engines, they are very reasonably priced and offer considerable improvement in performance, and then you can use the "reverse switch" to change directions, rather than relying on e units. There are a variety of sources on how to do this easily and correctly, and be sure you select a rectifier that can tolerate double the voltage and amperage you would usually expect (5 amp/ 24volt would work). In addition this simplifies using LED lights etc. Note: on-board ACG-AF whistle/horns may not work correctly with DC. Hope this is helpful to you and others Peter Loeb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71306	From: Rich	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer

Jeff -- thanks much for the info and the link. Nice video and explanation of what you are doing. One question - I'm not clear why you need another Arduino - I would have thought one could handle all the signalling chores. One additional note - as I understand it, there are add-on 'shields' (boards) that plug into the Arduino that can handle a variety of functions, including one that is essentially all relays, which is what I'd use for controlling the higher current Flyer needs, like repowering a block or moving a Flyer semaphore arm. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Faust" wrote: > > I'm using Arduinos for N scale projects these days, like signalling for example... > > http://ttrak.wikidot.com/gopher-valley-central#toc2 > > ...and I find them versatile and easy to use. With S Gauge projects, you're dealing with relatively high currents, so some additional output hardware will be required to drive Gilbert's solenoids and such. There's lots of reference material out there for nearly every application. Stop by Radio Shack for the board, the "introduction" book, and a few widgets, and you could have your grade-crossing flashers working by next week. Really. > > Best of luck, and have fun! > > --Jeff > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" wrote: > > > > Are any of you folks using an Arduino (a microcomputer) for block control or triggering accessories, like a crossing signal, etc.? I have been planning to build some across-the-track sensors (based on an IR-emitting LED and photosensor) to replace the not-very-reliable Flyer track trips. Triggering an electronic circuit also has the advantage that one can control the way the lights blink (and the length of time they blink), ring a bell, etc. One way to go with this - as several folks have discussed in detail in this group - is to have 'purpose-built' circuits to handle specific outcomes like blinking a light, lowering a crossing gate, un-powering/repowering a block (and controlling the light/semaphore), etc. > > > > Recently I started to look at whether programing an Arduino would be a more flexible way to do this, as it can control blinking lights, sound cards, and relays to control blocks or higher current applications with essentially common hardware. If one googles "Arduino and model railroads", there is a huge amount of activity in this area, but a lot of it is specifically devoted to train control, even CTC activities and "automated switching and dispatching". There is a lot of lines of code devoted to fairly complex tasks (called 'sketches' in the Arduino world). I'm looking for something much simpler - at least to start with. I don't see using an Arduino as a fancy throttle. > > > > Any experience 'out there' with this approach? > > > > thanks, > > > > - Rich > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71307	From: Keith Taylor	Date: 1/21/2013
Subject: Re: 314AW whistle not working????

I'll give that a try, thanks so much! Sent from my iPad On Jan 21, 2013, at 7:56 PM, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > 314AW's have a sweet, slightly higher pitch whistle than a bulletin board whistle and are great fun to run - - when working. However, they are cantankerous. I have repaired them. One in which someone decided to cut every wire in the tender off at the route. Talk about apparent frustration. The impeller had to be replaced, the DC activation coil rewound (it was fried), all new wires run, and thorough maintenance measures taken, but in the end it worked great. In a pinch you can test one with 3 D cell batteries in a row instead of the activation control box. Just pass the variable voltage through the 3Ds and the coil will trip. Have the engine locked in neutral or on rollers. Good luck. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71308	From: rhicks308	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Re: Wiring for AC and DC

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "stephen.terni" wrote: > My question is can I continue to use the common base wire for the negative DC connection or do I need to run a separate wire for this loop? > If part of the layout is run on DC and part on AC, you need to make sure that both rails are insulated and there are no wires connecting between the two sections. Otherwise, in effect you're shorting out one leg of the bridge. As others have said, the easiest way to provide DC is with a bridge rectifier and DPDT switch. Hope this helps. Randall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71309	From: stephen.terni	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Wiring for AC and DC

Thanks to all who responded to my question. It is clear now what I need to do to avoid endless headaches chasing down short circuits!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71310	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer

It was easier to put a second Arduino with the second set of signals, Rich, than to run individual control wires all the way out from the first one. Since it's a modular railroad, I wanted the signalling to be modular, too, and either pair of signals can be used in an exhibit layout without the other. A 4-wire cable will eventually provide a serial connection between these and additional future boards, for passing occupancy info for yellow aspects, and so on. You're right: in a non-modular situation, one Arduino could handle all the signals just fine. Don't worry, though--I won't be letting those extra pins go to waste. Both boards are also controlling structure lighting (and other stuff) in their respective neighborhoods. As mentioned in my link, one module has a pair of photocells between the rails. Their output values are compared in the code. When one is less than 50% of the other, it is assumed to have a train over it. Works well for an N scale train; no reason it shouldn't work just as well for AF. I haven't tried the relay shield (my higher-current circuits are powered through transistors), but it sounds like a good choice for activating AF accessories. It's simple, and easily handles 15VAC accessory current. I hope you'll keep the group posted on your activities. I love 761 semaphores and other operating accessories, and the Arduino platform has been the best thing I've found for making layout accessories behave the way I've imagined they should. --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" wrote: > > Jeff -- thanks much for the info and the link. Nice video and explanation of what you are doing. One question - I'm not clear why you need another Arduino - I would have thought one could handle all the signalling chores. One additional note - as I understand it, there are add-on 'shields' (boards) that plug into the Arduino that can handle a variety of functions, including one that is essentially all relays, which is what I'd use for controlling the higher current Flyer needs, like repowering a block or moving a Flyer semaphore arm. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Faust" wrote: > > > > I'm using Arduinos for N scale projects these days, like signalling for example... > > > > http://ttrak.wikidot.com/gopher-valley-central#toc2 > > > > ...and I find them versatile and easy to use. With S Gauge projects, you're dealing with relatively high currents, so some additional output hardware will be required to drive Gilbert's solenoids and such. There's lots of reference material out there for nearly every application. Stop by Radio Shack for the board, the "introduction" book, and a few widgets, and you could have your grade-crossing flashers working by next week. Really. > > > > Best of luck, and have fun! > > > > --Jeff > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" wrote: > > > > > > Are any of you folks using an Arduino (a microcomputer) for block control or triggering accessories, like a crossing signal, etc.? I have been planning to build some across-the-track sensors (based on an IR-emitting LED and photosensor) to replace the not-very-reliable Flyer track trips. Triggering an electronic circuit also has the advantage that one can control the way the lights blink (and the length of time they blink), ring a bell, etc. One way to go with this - as several folks have discussed in detail in this group - is to have 'purpose-built' circuits to handle specific outcomes like blinking a light, lowering a crossing gate, un-powering/repowering a block (and controlling the light/semaphore), etc. > > > > > > Recently I started to look at whether programing an Arduino would be a more flexible way to do this, as it can control blinking lights, sound cards, and relays to control blocks or higher current applications with essentially common hardware. If one googles "Arduino and model railroads", there is a huge amount of activity in this area, but a lot of it is specifically devoted to train control, even CTC activities and "automated switching and dispatching". There is a lot of lines of code devoted to fairly complex tasks (called 'sketches' in the Arduino world). I'm looking for something much simpler - at least to start with. I don't see using an Arduino as a fancy throttle. > > > > > > Any experience 'out there' with this approach? > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > - Rich > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71311	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: 20 inch radius s-helper track

Does anyone on the list have 3 pieces of the s-helper 20 " radius track they would be willing to sell? Trying to make a layout with 2 flyer switches and the inside figure 8 and I'm 3 pieces short. Thought about buying the AF fastrack but really would like the s-helper track. Please contact me off list and let me know what you would want for the track. Thanks, Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71312	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Re: arduino's and flyer

Several years ago, I created a purpose built controller for the 759 danger bell using a PIC processor and a program written in basic. Since then, I have embraced the Arduino platform and have many devices using that now. I just brought on-line a web based lawn sprinkler control this past weekend that allows me to set and monitor sprinkling times from any computer anywhere. The Arduino is relatively simple to learn and the sketches or programs are loosely based on C programming structure so a little knowledge of that helps. They have many versions with differing numbers of output pins and you can create just about anything your imagination can come up with just by writing a few dozen lines of code. The number of shields or add on boards seems to increase almost daily. I even have a couple of GPS shields that allows me to pull the time and other info from the satellites so I have a giant clock in my workshop that is always accurate to within about 100 milliseconds. Just about every electronic mail order place now sells the Arduino boards. Jameco, Allied Electronics, Digi-Key, Allelectronics, etc. I read somewhere that the http://www.arduino.cc website now gets about 600,000 hits a day. If someone creates an Arduino application for model railroading, they can post their code there or at http://code.google.com/hosting/ and let folks on the list know about it. Search the Google web link for Arduino and there are literally almost a thousand projects posted there. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71313	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: BLACK 625 SHELL WANTED

I still need a 1946 Black Shell Tank Car PLASTIC FRAME.... FRAME needs to be nice with all steps, 1946 couplers (with pat no ) Frame needs to be warped about 1/4" down based on a line between the 2 ends..... Trucks needs the slits like on the early versions......Thought I had found one but it was straight..... This is to use to replace the one I have, but has a chipped step......Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71314	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/22/2013
Subject: Web site -American Flyer Lines

I moved my small web site to trainweb.org http://trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/ Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71315	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/23/2013
Subject: Need S-Helper NW2 parts

Anyone aware of where I might get the following parts to repair a customer's NW2? Clay at Dave's Twacks and Twains is looking for me, but they don't officially start as the new SHS Parts and Service Center until March 1, 2013 (everything is still in boxed). Thanks. - (2) u-joint balls (rear truck) - (4) wheel contact springs.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71316	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/23/2013
Subject: Re: Web site -American Flyer Lines

From : Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Brady, Update on My club, Lone Star Flyer. We have a new website. It is  ( www.lonestarflyer.com ). You can add it to your club link.Thanks for the small amount off info you provide.           Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Web site -American Flyer Lines   I moved my small web site to trainweb.org http://trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/ Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71317	From: David	Date: 1/23/2013
Subject: NEW Combo Head Light / Tender Light (Advertisement)

In the next few days we will have a light fixture that can be added to your next kit bash engine/tender project. A light fixture that can be used as a top mount engine head light or top mount tender reverse light. This light kit comes already assembled and features a 3mm LED white light, 1 AMP full bridge rectifier and instructions. Price: $7.50 ea. Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71318	From: David	Date: 1/23/2013
Subject: NEW Combo Head Light / Tender Light, up date (Ad)

The NEW combination engine/tender top mount light kit is now at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> The first shipping date is 02-01-2013 but they can be ordered now. Due to the expected high volumn sales on this item please allow 14 - 21 working days for delivery. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71319	From: wjjim2001	Date: 1/24/2013
Subject: Amhearst Show

Be sure to check out DALLEE Electronics in YOUNG Bldg, Booth 77 G, same as previous years. THIS year you can not only see and hear DALLEE products in action, you can also see the great chrome plating job done by DOUG PECK. DALLEE will be running several K-5's with passenger cars, AM heavyweights & AMBER LED lighting strips & Chrome plated lightweights with LED lighting and flashing rear marker. OF COURSE, the K-5's have DALLEE sound as well. PVMR was fortunate to have these two train sets visit our layouts and they stayed for several weeks, much to the DELIGHT of our guests. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71320	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/25/2013
Subject: Re: Amhearst Show

Always an interesting booth to visit and see what type of electronics are available for your needs While in the Young Bldg also visit the Bristol S-Gaugers layout, in the Mallory Bldg (Section 91) the Sn2 Modular Group (Section 139), and a new layout from a Canadian group, I apologize for not knowing their name, they will be located in the Mallory Bldg near the Sn2 Mod. Group as I understand. Also visit other S-Scale vendors such as Doug Peck and Port Lines Hobbies in the Young Bldg (section 90), Pine Canyon (same section as Doug), the NASG table, S Scale America, and Don and Robin Thompson, all in the same area. There are also many other fine S-Scale vendors located in the 4 building complex. Enjoy the show!!!! Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Be sure to check out DALLEE Electronics in YOUNG Bldg, Booth 77 G, same as > previous years. THIS year you can not only see and hear DALLEE products in > action, you can also see the great chrome plating job done by DOUG PECK. > DALLEE will be running several K-5's with passenger cars, AM heavyweights > & AMBER LED lighting strips & Chrome plated lightweights with LED > lighting and flashing rear marker. OF COURSE, the K-5's have DALLEE sound as > well. PVMR was fortunate to have these two train sets visit our layouts and > they stayed for several weeks, much to the DELIGHT of our guests. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71321	From: Ben	Date: 1/25/2013
Subject: smoke unit bottom cover plate

Does any one see a problem making a bottom smoke unit plate out of styrene? Does the wick actually get hot enough that it might melt plastic?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71322	From: snstrains	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: smoke unit bottom cover plate

Why do that when replacement plates and gaskets are available? Steve In a message dated 1/25/2013 7:44:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: Does any one see a problem making a bottom smoke unit plate out of styrene? Does the wick actually get hot enough that it might melt plastic? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71323	From: Dr Trains	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: smoke unit bottom cover plate

Hi , it's not the wick but the nichrome wire that will melt plastic, in addition the smoke fluids used are a hydrocarbon based fluid (very light oil) and this will attack, soften/desolve plastic. You could cut out a replacement of  thin phenolic board (solid circuit board) available in electronics shops...why not just get replacement boards from a AF parts supplier...no cutting/fitting and getting holes drilled correctly. P.Loeb ________________________________ From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] smoke unit bottom cover plate   Does any one see a problem making a bottom smoke unit plate out of styrene? Does the wick actually get hot enough that it might melt plastic? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71324	From: dtrains@ymail.com	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: looking for various stuff

Hi I am looking for various S items, hopefully at a reasonable price: 1. Ace die-cast box car floors (to replace AF floors). 2. Ace die-cast Hopper/gondola conversion bolsters. 3. Buckeye style trucks (6-wheel) 4. "Rex" die-cast flat cars, gondolas - condition not important as long as not broken. 5. SHS/AM fifth wheel support and parts for TOFC refits. 7. Clerestory style roof replacements for hvy. wt. type passenger cars. Especially interesting would be AM/SHS clear/painted roof/wall inserts. of any length as long as over 60'. 6. Any spoked driver sets, especially like old style kits to replace AF drivers. 56"-80" dia. I have a pile of AM/SHS AF style couplers...all new never used in a variety of configurations. Also quite a few of the ACE coupler conversion brackets to attach Kadee style couplers to trucks (Talgo style) they come with screws and a steel bent drilled and taped plate that goes over truck bolster and provides an extension to mount a coupler on. Thanks, Peter Loeb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71325	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: smoke unit bottom cover plate

Yes, it will melt :o(       --- On Fri, 1/25/13, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] smoke unit bottom cover plate To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 9:17 PM   Does any one see a problem making a bottom smoke unit plate out of styrene? Does the wick actually get hot enough that it might melt plastic? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71326	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Smoke unit bottom cover plate

Ben, you should be okay with fabricating a plastic bottom cover plate. The heating element is at the top of the "tank" and only the wick material reaches the bottom. Use a good gasket to keep smoke fluid from leaking out. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71327	From: srgriggs	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells

I saw an interesting auction on eBay--10 Alco shells with pristine plating supposedly bought from a person in 1985 whose father worked at the A.C. Gilbert Co. The shells appear to be pulled from the production process before completion of decoration. Since they are chrome and the A unit shells have the coupler cutout, they look to be from 1953 or 54. They look to be blemishes or factory mistakes that were pulled from production. The Silver Flash B-units have the incorrect color yellow in the stripe, and the A-unit shells look like they are warped above the trucks. Think they're authentic? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400398780887&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en Even if they are, I don't think factory blemished shells would be worth what they are asking for them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71328	From: Ben	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: smoke unit bottom cover plate

I don't have one and wanted to get this thing on the tracks...trust me, I have no problem supporting the vendors! They have gotten A LOT of my money over the years. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Why do that when replacement plates and gaskets are available? > > Steve > > > In a message dated 1/25/2013 7:44:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > lbstiles@... writes: > > > > > Does any one see a problem making a bottom smoke unit plate out of styrene? > Does the wick actually get hot enough that it might melt plastic? > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71329	From: Ben	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: Smoke unit bottom cover plate

Thanks Stumpy...I did so. So far it is working well. We'll see how it goes long term. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" wrote: > > Ben, you should be okay with fabricating a plastic bottom cover plate. The heating element is at the top of the "tank" and only the wick material reaches the bottom. > > Use a good gasket to keep smoke fluid from leaking out. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71330	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Train related attractions in Orlando

What would you recommend seeing in terms of anything train related in or around Orlando? Thanks. S-gauge would of course be ideal, but anything train related will be appreciated. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71331	From: David	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: OPERATING LED RED & GREEN MARKER LIGHTING Update (Advertisement)

Well, we finally have an OPERATING SET of RED & GREEN caboose marker lights as promised. These markers measure 4mm square so the probably even fall into the "S" SCALE area. I beleive that we are the only company offering this lighting kit. Please correct us if we are in error. This kit as most of our KIT BASHING items, as always, may be viewed at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc P.S. - The TRI-COLOR (Red,Yellow,Green) are there also but no photos until Tues.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71332	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: About makin' parts

Folks, I do not want to give the impression that I would not support the parts people, far from it! I've spend a lot of money with suppliers of all kinds over the past fifty plus years! But there are times when you want to get a project completed or something up and running, even if only for test purposes, and don't want to wait for a part. We are quite fortunate in S gauge trains (as are the O 3-rail guys) that there ARE parts available. In most of the other hobbies I'm in, "you're on your own" for parts! I have made my own stuff for so long, I'm just in the habit of doing so. Of course, nothing I build will ever be mistaken for collector grade. It just runs well and looks unique. :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71333	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells

you'd be a fool, nothing is worth that much, this guy is trolling for a moron mel perry On Jan 26, 2013, at 8:27 AM, srgriggs wrote: > I saw an interesting auction on eBay--10 Alco shells with pristine > plating supposedly bought from a person in 1985 whose father worked > at the A.C. Gilbert Co. The shells appear to be pulled from the > production process before completion of decoration. Since they are > chrome and the A unit shells have the coupler cutout, they look to > be from 1953 or 54. They look to be blemishes or factory mistakes > that were pulled from production. The Silver Flash B-units have the > incorrect color yellow in the stripe, and the A-unit shells look > like they are warped above the trucks. > > Think they're authentic? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=400398780887&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink > :top:en > > Even if they are, I don't think factory blemished shells would be > worth what they are asking for them. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71334	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Portlines Hobbies - Excellent as Usual

Hi Folks, Just to close the loop. I sought help on the list to find some parts for my Flyer loco. Several helpful responses. Ordered the parts from Doug at Portlines. They arrived right away. The loco is fixed and running great. I didn't want to just let Doug know because he is really busy helping other folks. So, now you all know. Bill (Happy in Florida) -- Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71335	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells

I didn't see any date stamps on the inside. PA's that I have seen have them near the front side windows or close to that. In a message dated 1/26/2013 10:45:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sgriggs@... writes: I saw an interesting auction on eBay--10 Alco shells with pristine plating supposedly bought from a person in 1985 whose father worked at the A.C. Gilbert Co. The shells appear to be pulled from the production process before completion of decoration. Since they are chrome and the A unit shells have the coupler cutout, they look to be from 1953 or 54. They look to be blemishes or factory mistakes that were pulled from production. The Silver Flash B-units have the incorrect color yellow in the stripe, and the A-unit shells look like they are warped above the trucks. Think they're authentic? _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400398780887&fromMakeTra ck=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400398780887&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:to p:en) Even if they are, I don't think factory blemished shells would be worth what they are asking for them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71336	From: Steven Allen	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: Portlines Hobbies - Excellent as Usual

Glad to hear everything worked well for you Bill. I've been dealing with Doug for many years, always top notch service. I even assisted Doug recently on some of the NASG car projects, great to work with. I know Doug will be happy to see the good news. He's extremely busy this weekend at the 2 day Amherst Railway Society's Big Train Show at the Eastern States Exposition in W. Springfield, MA. Unfortunately I'm missing the event for only the second time in the last 25 years because my wife slipped on ice the week before Christmas and fractured her kneecap in half. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Just to close the loop. I sought help on the list to find some parts for > my Flyer loco. Several helpful responses. Ordered the parts from Doug at > Portlines. They arrived right away. The loco is fixed and running great. > > I didn't want to just let Doug know because he is really busy helping > other folks. So, now you all know. > > Bill (Happy in Florida) > > -- > Bill Porter > South Florida > wpporter.duckburg.us >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71337	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/27/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 27, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71338	From: Ben	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: DC and smoke unit

How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the smoke fluid. What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat the smoke fluid? Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know what worked for them. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71339	From: tennsgauger	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

I am anything but an expert on this subject but I do not think that installing a DC can motor will result in less smoke from an American Flyer steam locomotives. Its true that the DC motor will run cooler, much cooler, than the original motors so. But I think just as much juice goes through the smoke unit. My response is purely from observation of the AF steamers I have had converted. It is not based on any technical knowledge, which I do not have. But its a huge improvement to have the DC motors to replace the original, even if you install an electronic reverse unit, though its been so long since I have run them, I honestly cannot find them. (I prefer the SHS and AM power). - Earl Henry, Nashville . In a message dated 1/26/2013 9:05:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the smoke fluid. What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat the smoke fluid? Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know what worked for them. Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71340	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: smoke unit bottom cover plate

Hi Ben,                     Why would you want to make these is plastic. I've had these reproduced in metal.  PA10524, I have plenty in stock.                                                     Tom Seccia                                                        Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] smoke unit bottom cover plate   Does any one see a problem making a bottom smoke unit plate out of styrene? Does the wick actually get hot enough that it might melt plastic? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71341	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/26/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

Hi Stumpy,                      I can ship 'em faster than you can make em.                                                      Tom Seccia                                                         Triple "S" Supplies ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] About makin' parts   Folks, I do not want to give the impression that I would not support the parts people, far from it! I've spend a lot of money with suppliers of all kinds over the past fifty plus years! But there are times when you want to get a project completed or something up and running, even if only for test purposes, and don't want to wait for a part. We are quite fortunate in S gauge trains (as are the O 3-rail guys) that there ARE parts available. In most of the other hobbies I'm in, "you're on your own" for parts! I have made my own stuff for so long, I'm just in the habit of doing so. Of course, nothing I build will ever be mistaken for collector grade. It just runs well and looks unique. :-) Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71342	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: About makin' parts

Ship them faster than I can make them? You MUST be joking! Despite the stockpile you may have on hand, I can make most things I need before the US Postal Sevice mounts it's horses to play "Pony Express!" For instance, I built the whole pilot and front truck mount for making one of my Flyer 0-8-0 locos into a 2-8-0 before the Putt two wheel lead truck arrived in the mail to go under it. Terry Putt lives less than two hours away, but the mail too three days to deliver it! However, I prefer to use manufactured parts where I can or where necessary because speed is not often a problem. When you're rebuilding and kit bashing junk box trains, you must be very patient because it takes time to gather all the missing or damgaed bits you need. And making the customizing parts takes time as well. However, there are also times when I'm one minor piece away from being able to put a project together and I make what I need (within reason) just to finish a project. At other times I want to try something to see how well it works, so I have to make a part. to test my idea. I prefer to use manufactured or repro parts for everything except the cosmetic changes, and depending on the number of projects I have in progress, you wouldn't want my parts bill in a year! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71343	From: Timboy	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

Ben, You are correct. Getting optimal smoke output from reduced track voltage due to a more efficient DC can motor sans mechanical reverse unit has always been problematic for me as well. I just run my trains faster. After all, they ARE American FLYERS! Lol. Of course, one great way to get optimal smoke AND handling is to go to DCC. That is expensive and problematic in it's own right, though. You can try Norbert's awesome site for info: http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm If anyone on this List would know how to get more smoke production running trains as you mentioned, Norbert would and I hope he sees & responds to this post. I suspect it involves the use of a resistor or two, but I do not know their values. -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" wrote: > > How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the smoke fluid. > > What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat the smoke fluid? > > Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know what worked for them. > > Thanks! Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71344	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

When converting an old AF to DC current the smoke unit is wired separately from track power (the two leads from the tender trucks). George, LBR Enterprises,llc     --- On Sat, 1/26/13, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] DC and smoke unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 26, 2013, 9:59 PM   How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the smoke fluid. What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat the smoke fluid? Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know what worked for them. Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71345	From: Timboy	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

Dave, That's a good - a very good way to increase smoke output under any condition; AC or DC and is a partial work-around. But it still won't totally optimize smoke output when using DC can motors the same as high track voltage will. Another "solution" is to abandon DC can motors and go with original open-frame motors. They draw more current, so there would be more track voltage to power the smoke units. A problem with that is if we run a mix of steamers with original open-frame motors and diesels with conversions. The diesels will run rings around the slower steamers. -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > When converting an old AF to DC current the smoke unit is wired separately from track power (the two leads from the tender trucks). > George, LBR Enterprises,llc > >   >   > > --- On Sat, 1/26/13, Ben wrote: > > > From: Ben > Subject: [S-Trains] DC and smoke unit > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 26, 2013, 9:59 PM > > > >   > > > > How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the smoke fluid. > > What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat the smoke fluid? > > Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know what worked for them. > > Thanks! Ben > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71346	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

I'm not joking and I'm not talking about custom or scrathbuilding. I'm talking about American Flyer replacement parts and people knowing what's available. Parts suppliers put thousands of dollars into their business to make these parts.  To suggest to someone they should take time to make their own parts because deliver time takes too long doesn't make sense to me. To do your project with the 0-8-0 you would have to make the part because it was not available. To replace the bottom plate on the XA10513 Smoke Unit the part was available.  If he made the part in plastic it may not work.  To replace the part the correct way you would need a PA10524 Bottom Plate and a PA10525 Bottom Plate Gasket.                                                              Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:About makin' parts   Ship them faster than I can make them? You MUST be joking! Despite the stockpile you may have on hand, I can make most things I need before the US Postal Sevice mounts it's horses to play "Pony Express!" For instance, I built the whole pilot and front truck mount for making one of my Flyer 0-8-0 locos into a 2-8-0 before the Putt two wheel lead truck arrived in the mail to go under it. Terry Putt lives less than two hours away, but the mail too three days to deliver it! However, I prefer to use manufactured parts where I can or where necessary because speed is not often a problem. When you're rebuilding and kit bashing junk box trains, you must be very patient because it takes time to gather all the missing or damgaed bits you need. And making the customizing parts takes time as well. However, there are also times when I'm one minor piece away from being able to put a project together and I make what I need (within reason) just to finish a project. At other times I want to try something to see how well it works, so I have to make a part. to test my idea. I prefer to use manufactured or repro parts for everything except the cosmetic changes, and depending on the number of projects I have in progress, you wouldn't want my parts bill in a year! Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71347	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

Tim,      If you wire the smoke unit directly from the trucks the smoke unit is powered all of the time so when you start moving the engine it gives out a large puff of smoke just like the real steamers did. This way the motor & smoke unit have nothing to do with each other.      We started wiring all of our units (electronic & electro-mechanical E units both) like this and really have better smoke production than at any other time. Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc --- On Sun, 1/27/13, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DC and smoke unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 10:58 AM   Dave, That's a good - a very good way to increase smoke output under any condition; AC or DC and is a partial work-around. But it still won't totally optimize smoke output when using DC can motors the same as high track voltage will. Another "solution" is to abandon DC can motors and go with original open-frame motors. They draw more current, so there would be more track voltage to power the smoke units. A problem with that is if we run a mix of steamers with original open-frame motors and diesels with conversions. The diesels will run rings around the slower steamers. -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > When converting an old AF to DC current the smoke unit is wired separately from track power (the two leads from the tender trucks). > George, LBR Enterprises,llc > >   >   > > --- On Sat, 1/26/13, Ben wrote: > > > From: Ben > Subject: [S-Trains] DC and smoke unit > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 26, 2013, 9:59 PM > > > >   > > > > How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the smoke fluid. > > What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat the smoke fluid? > > Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know what worked for them. > > Thanks! Ben > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71348	From: rudypenne	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

How about altering the length of the nichrome wire. Doesn't the length of the wire rise or lower the smoke output? Mike in Ore In a message dated 1/27/2013 9:42:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, timstrains2000@... writes: Dave, That's a good - a very good way to increase smoke output under any condition; AC or DC and is a partial work-around. But it still won't totally optimize smoke output when using DC can motors the same as high track voltage will. Another "solution" is to abandon DC can motors and go with original open-frame motors. They draw more current, so there would be more track voltage to power the smoke units. A problem with that is if we run a mix of steamers with original open-frame motors and diesels with conversions. The diesels will run rings around the slower steamers. -Tim --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > When converting an old AF to DC current the smoke unit is wired separately from track power (the two leads from the tender trucks). > George, LBR Enterprises,llc > > Â > Â > > --- On Sat, 1/26/13, Ben wrote: > > > From: Ben > Subject: [S-Trains] DC and smoke unit > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Saturday, January 26, 2013, 9:59 PM > > > > Â > > > > How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the smoke fluid. > > What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat the smoke fluid? > > Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know what worked for them. > > Thanks! Ben > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71349	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/27/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 27, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71350	From: Alan Smith	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

Hey kids, HUM- seems like we have a couple of different opinions on replacement parts . In my old mind I think a part made close to the original design is the correct long term approach to repairs. For the most part a day or two makes little difference in finishing a repair project. Who wants to keep taking the time to make repeated repairs resulting from a home made part that doesn¹t quite work out. To the old time basher who enjoys working on projects rather than run the layout ­ --- Whatever floats your boat. Enjoyment comes in different ways. God bless both old Stumpy and Tom . Alan/Doc Smith On 1/27/13 11:54 AM, "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > > > > > I'm not joking and I'm not talking about custom or scrathbuilding. I'm talking > about American Flyer replacement parts and people knowing what's available. > Parts suppliers put thousands of dollars into their business to make these > parts.  To suggest to someone they should take time to make their own parts > because deliver time takes too long doesn't make sense to me. To do your > project with the 0-8-0 you would have to make the part because it was not > available. To replace the bottom plate on the XA10513 Smoke Unit the part was > available.  If he made the part in plastic it may not work.  To replace the > part the correct way you would need a PA10524 Bottom Plate and a PA10525 > Bottom Plate Gasket. > >                                                              Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 mrstumpy@... <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:41 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:About makin' parts > > >   > Ship them faster than I can make them? You MUST be joking! Despite the > stockpile you may have on hand, I can make most things I need before the US > Postal Sevice mounts it's horses to play "Pony Express!" > > For instance, I built the whole pilot and front truck mount for making one of > my Flyer 0-8-0 locos into a 2-8-0 before the Putt two wheel lead truck arrived > in the mail to go under it. Terry Putt lives less than two hours away, but > the mail too three days to deliver it! > > However, I prefer to use manufactured parts where I can or where necessary > because speed is not often a problem. When you're rebuilding and kit bashing > junk box trains, you must be very patient because it takes time to gather all > the missing or damgaed bits you need. And making the customizing parts takes > time as well. > > However, there are also times when I'm one minor piece away from being able to > put a project together and I make what I need (within reason) just to finish a > project. At other times I want to try something to see how well it works, so > I have to make a part. > to test my idea. > > I prefer to use manufactured or repro parts for everything except the cosmetic > changes, and depending on the number of projects I have in progress, you > wouldn't want my parts bill in a year! > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71351	From: tbennerohio	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

Ben, On all of my can motored steamers I drop the voltage to the motor using "shorted" bridge rectifiers. The ones I use are 2amp 600 PIV from all electronics.com. I think they are about 50 cents each. I usually get a few dozen at a time. Can motors draw about 1/2 amp so the 2amp rectifiers are fine. In this application, the higher the PIV, the better, as higher PIV rectifiers tend to be less efficient. Less efficient means more voltage drop which is what we are after. You solder the +and - rectifier leads together and one AC lead to power from the reverse unit and the other to the motor. Each rectifier will drop voltage about 1.5 volts. I usually use two to four of them in series. That way when the track (and smoke unit) voltage is 12 the motor is getting 9v or less. I fix the rectifiers to the motor with high temp RTV. The result is closer to scale speeds with pretty good smoke output. Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" wrote: > > How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the smoke fluid. > > What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat the smoke fluid? > > Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know what worked for them. > > Thanks! Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71352	From: David	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Operating TRI-COLOR Caboose Markers Update (Advertisement)

We have added the TRI-COLOR caboose marker lanterns (Red, Yellow, Green) so you will have a choice for your next caboose project. This NEW addition to our kit bashing page may be viewed at our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> Once again, thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71353	From: Timboy	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

Dave, Believe me; I understand. It still does not enable the loco to put out the volume of smoke to my liking. Please see Tim Benner's reply. That is the solution I was looking for to optimize smoke. Thank you Tim Benner! -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" wrote: > > Tim, >      If you wire the smoke unit directly from the trucks the smoke unit is powered all of the time so when you start moving the engine it gives out a large puff of smoke just like the real steamers did. This way the motor & smoke unit have nothing to do with each other. >      We started wiring all of our units (electronic & electro-mechanical E units both) like this and really have better smoke production than at any other time. > Dave, LBR Enterprises,llc > > --- On Sun, 1/27/13, Timboy wrote: > > > From: Timboy > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DC and smoke unit > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 10:58 AM > > > >   > > > > Dave, > > That's a good - a very good way to increase smoke output under any condition; AC or DC and is a partial work-around. But it still won't totally optimize smoke output when using DC can motors the same as high track voltage will. Another "solution" is to abandon DC can motors and go with original open-frame motors. They draw more current, so there would be more track voltage to power the smoke units. A problem with that is if we run a mix of steamers with original open-frame motors and diesels with conversions. The diesels will run rings around the slower steamers. > > -Tim > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > > > When converting an old AF to DC current the smoke unit is wired separately from track power (the two leads from the tender trucks). > > George, LBR Enterprises,llc > > > >   > >   > > > > --- On Sat, 1/26/13, Ben wrote: > > > > > > From: Ben > > Subject: [S-Trains] DC and smoke unit > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, January 26, 2013, 9:59 PM > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the smoke fluid. > > > > What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat the smoke fluid? > > > > Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know what worked for them. > > > > Thanks! Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71354	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

Have to chime in here. If you want lots of smoke and are converting to can motors talk to Steve at S-'n-S trains, snstrains.com, and get the ones with the 30/1 gearing instead of the standard 18/1. Higher voltage for thesame speed, more smoke, and as a bonus more pulling power. I expect to have all my steamers converted shortly. Carey Carey Probst Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 1/27/2013 1:58 PM, tbennerohio wrote: > > Ben, > > On all of my can motored steamers I drop the voltage to the motor > using "shorted" bridge rectifiers. The ones I use are 2amp 600 PIV > from all electronics.com. I think they are about 50 cents each. I > usually get a few dozen at a time. > > Can motors draw about 1/2 amp so the 2amp rectifiers are fine. In this > application, the higher the PIV, the better, as higher PIV rectifiers > tend to be less efficient. Less efficient means more voltage drop > which is what we are after. > > You solder the +and - rectifier leads together and one AC lead to > power from the reverse unit and the other to the motor. Each rectifier > will drop voltage about 1.5 volts. I usually use two to four of them > in series. That way when the track (and smoke unit) voltage is 12 the > motor is getting 9v or less. I fix the rectifiers to the motor with > high temp RTV. The result is closer to scale speeds with pretty good > smoke output. > > Regards, > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Ben" wrote: > > > > How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to > DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run > the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the > smoke fluid. > > > > What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to > what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat > the smoke fluid? > > > > Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and > can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know > what worked for them. > > > > Thanks! Ben > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71355	From: tennsgauger	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

I can run my steamers (Hudsons and Northerns) that have DC can motors as fast as most of us would want to run them to look anywhere close to being realistic. I do not want to run them as fast as AF PAs will run, which look awful at maximum speed, except to children (no age limit). - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 1/27/2013 11:42:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, timstrains2000@... writes: Dave, That's a good - a very good way to increase smoke output under any condition; AC or DC and is a partial work-around. But it still won't totally optimize smoke output when using DC can motors the same as high track voltage will. Another "solution" is to abandon DC can motors and go with original open-frame motors. They draw more current, so there would be more track voltage to power the smoke units. A problem with that is if we run a mix of steamers with original open-frame motors and diesels with conversions. The diesels will run rings around the slower steamers. -Tim --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > When converting an old AF to DC current the smoke unit is wired separately from track power (the two leads from the tender trucks). > George, LBR Enterprises,llc > > Â > Â > > --- On Sat, 1/26/13, Ben wrote: > > > From: Ben > Subject: [S-Trains] DC and smoke unit > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Saturday, January 26, 2013, 9:59 PM > > > > Â > > > > How do I get a smoke unit to still work if the train is converted to DC? I understand that since DC requires so much less" juice" to run the trains, the smoke unit does not get hot enough to vaporize the smoke fluid. > > What specifically do I need to add (capacitor; resistor; etc.) to what wire to get more current to the nichrome smoke element to heat the smoke fluid? > > Electronics are not my thing- but I am really good at soldering and can add what needs added if someone can be specific to let me know what worked for them. > > Thanks! Ben > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71356	From: tbennerohio	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

I have to agree with Carey. The best overall solution for more smoke would be the 30:1 worm motors. That allows for much closer to scale speed operation while the motor is spinning fast enough to have some torque. Several years ago I read some advice about the scale speed motors not being recommended for heavier die cast locos. But I just checked Portlines website and see that now the recommendation is for just 0-8-0s and Northerns. That is great news for me as I have a couple of K4s nd Hudsons that I think would perform much better with the slow worm. They run fine now, with flywheel can motors and four rectifiers to slow them down. But with a slower worm they will have more power at crawl speeds. Smoke too! Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst wrote: > > Have to chime in here. If you want lots of smoke and are converting to > can motors talk to Steve at S-'n-S trains, snstrains.com, and get the > ones with the 30/1 gearing instead of the standard 18/1. > > Higher voltage for thesame speed, more smoke, and as a bonus more > pulling power. > I expect to have all my steamers converted shortly. > > Carey > Carey Probst > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71357	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

Hi Alan, � Thanks for your understanding and God Bless You, Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alan Smith To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:About makin' parts   Hey kids, HUM- seems like we have a couple of different opinions on replacement parts . In my old mind I think a part made close to the original design is the correct long term approach to repairs. For the most part a day or two makes little difference in finishing a repair project. Who wants to keep taking the time to make repeated repairs resulting from a home made part that doesn¹t quite work out. To the old time basher who enjoys working on projects rather than run the layout ­ --- Whatever floats your boat. Enjoyment comes in different ways. God bless both old Stumpy and Tom . Alan/Doc Smith On 1/27/13 11:54 AM, "Sheila Seccia" trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > > > > > I'm not joking and I'm not talking about custom or scrathbuilding. I'm talking > about American Flyer replacement parts and people knowing what's available. > Parts suppliers put thousands of dollars into their business to make these > parts.  To suggest to someone they should take time to make their own parts > because deliver time takes too long doesn't make sense to me. To do your > project with the 0-8-0 you would have to make the part because it was not > available. To replace the bottom plate on the XA10513 Smoke Unit the part was > available.  If he made the part in plastic it may not work.  To replace the > part the correct way you would need a PA10524 Bottom Plate and a PA10525 > Bottom Plate Gasket. > >                                                              Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 mrstumpy@... > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:41 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:About makin' parts > > >   > Ship them faster than I can make them? You MUST be joking! Despite the > stockpile you may have on hand, I can make most things I need before the US > Postal Sevice mounts it's horses to play "Pony Express!" > > For instance, I built the whole pilot and front truck mount for making one of > my Flyer 0-8-0 locos into a 2-8-0 before the Putt two wheel lead truck arrived > in the mail to go under it. Terry Putt lives less than two hours away, but > the mail too three days to deliver it! > > However, I prefer to use manufactured parts where I can or where necessary > because speed is not often a problem. When you're rebuilding and kit bashing > junk box trains, you must be very patient because it takes time to gather all > the missing or damgaed bits you need. And making the customizing parts takes > time as well. > > However, there are also times when I'm one minor piece away from being able to > put a project together and I make what I need (within reason) just to finish a > project. At other times I want to try something to see how well it works, so > I have to make a part. > to test my idea. > > I prefer to use manufactured or repro parts for everything except the cosmetic > changes, and depending on the number of projects I have in progress, you > wouldn't want my parts bill in a year! > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71358	From: snstrains	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: DC and smoke easy solution

There is a simple way to increase smoke using DC can motors. The original Flyer motor drive worms are a 16"1 gear ratio. There are DC can motors available at 30:1 gear ratios. The 30:1 motor takes approximately twice as much voltage to get the loco up to speed as the 16:1 does. Thus twice as much voltage to the smoke unit. These motors are available from dealers on this list, and are inexpensive Steve SnS Trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71359	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Re: Amhearst Show

A group known as the S Scale Workshop from Canada was at the show. First time ever for them; yet they took first place as best in show. In a message dated 1/25/2013 3:39:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, allens1017@... writes: Always an interesting booth to visit and see what type of electronics are available for your needs While in the Young Bldg also visit the Bristol S-Gaugers layout, in the Mallory Bldg (Section 91) the Sn2 Modular Group (Section 139), and a new layout from a Canadian group, I apologize for not knowing their name, they will be located in the Mallory Bldg near the Sn2 Mod. Group as I understand. Also visit other S-Scale vendors such as Doug Peck and Port Lines Hobbies in the Young Bldg (section 90), Pine Canyon (same section as Doug), the NASG table, S Scale America, and Don and Robin Thompson, all in the same area. There are also many other fine S-Scale vendors located in the 4 building complex. Enjoy the show!!!! Steven Allen --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , WJJIM@... wrote: > > Be sure to check out DALLEE Electronics in YOUNG Bldg, Booth 77 G, same as > previous years. THIS year you can not only see and hear DALLEE products in > action, you can also see the great chrome plating job done by DOUG PECK. > DALLEE will be running several K-5's with passenger cars, AM heavyweights > & AMBER LED lighting strips & Chrome plated lightweights with LED > lighting and flashing rear marker. OF COURSE, the K-5's have DALLEE sound as > well. PVMR was fortunate to have these two train sets visit our layouts and > they stayed for several weeks, much to the DELIGHT of our guests. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71360	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Post on S Scale list about the Lionel Y3

For those interested in the scale version. {S-Scale List} Scale Lionel Y3 TO: 1 More1 recipientCC: recipientsYou MoreBCC: recipientsYou Hide Details FROM:Fred Rouse TO:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Message starred Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:20 PM Following is the correct information concerning the Y3. In my opinion,the Lionel Y3 was designed as a scale engine and adapted to run on AF track by using deep flanges, narrower gauge and blind center drivers. It is mainly constructed of very nice die castings with lost wax and etched brass details. I have been working on this since late November when I received an unpainted Lionel engineering sample. I have been making fixtures and a run of my( Non magnetic !) stainless steel tires specifically for this engine. My first converted production engine is making its debut at the O SCALE WEST / S WEST meet this weekend. The following is taken from the handout being used on my behalf. I hope someone takes photos or a video of it pulling a train of hoppers on Ed Loizeaux"s layout during his open house. LIONEL Y-3 2-8-8-2 CONVERSION TO S SCALE SERVICE S Scale Locomotive & Supply (SSL&S) is pleased to announce a cooperative relationship with Lionel to provide scale conversion services for selected Lionel locomotives. The Y-3 2-8-8-2 articulated is the first locomotive being offered under this program. It is anticipated that other locomotives will follow if the Y-3 effort is successful. The Lionel Y-3 comes in the following factory-painted road names: Norfolk and Western, Pennsylvania, Santa Fe, Union Pacific, Virginian. The SSL&S conversion services for the Lionel Y-3 include the following two items: 1. SCALE CONVERSION -- All driver sets are disassembled and the AF tread/tire is cut off. The Lionel cast wheel center then has the AF flange machined off and is narrowed ! for new custom SSL&S tires. Using a special fixture, the precisely machined driver casting is carefully pressed into the new tire. The driver sets are then reassembled and quartered. The tender, pilot and trailing truck wheels are removed and replaced with scale wheels. All wheels are gauged to NMRA/NASG standards. -- All 32 wheels have the NMRA/NASG RP-25 code 110 contour. -- All driver treads/tires are flanged stainless steel custom made specifically for this engine. -- Kadee S coupler installed on tender. Lionel scale dummy coupler remains on pilot. -- No changes to the Lionel internal electronics. Boiler not removed from chassis. -- Allow 4-6 weeks for completion of conversion. -- One year SSL&S warranty. Free repair for SSL&S wheel problems only. -- Customer ships his locomotive to SSL&S. SSL&S does not sell Lionel products. -- Note: Standard Lionel warranty is voided upon modification by anyone including SSL&S. -- Cost: $550 plus return shipping. Payment due upon completion of work. -- Return shipping: Parcel Post=$35, Priority Mail=$55 (both include $1,500 insurance) -- Major credit cards accepted. 2. LIONEL/DCC CONVERSION -- Conversion to Lionel/DCC is a software upgrade only. -- No change to Lionel internal electronics. -- Cost: $75 For more information and questions, contact: Fred Rouse S SCALE LOCOMOTIVE & SUPPLY 6721 East Blue Heron Lane Inverness, FL 34452 Phone: (352) 344-4654 Email: fred@... www.sscaleloco.com/ Ed Eckert, Moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71361	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/27/2013
Subject: Amherst Railway Society show casualty

Midnight, and we just returned home. Rapidly scanning over 400 emails and 200 SPAM from the past 3 days. And you were definitely missed, Steve. Even my wife asked about your absence! The bad news is that early this morning, before the show even opened, Phil (owner of Lehigh Valley Models) fell at the show and broke his ankle. Spent the day in the hospital, and will be having surgery tomorrow morning. But plenty of great train folks pitched right in helping his wife all day, including helping her pack up, load the car, and driving her to the hotel. And they weren't all S-gaugers either !!!! <<<the 2 day Amherst Railway Society's Big Train Show at the Eastern States Exposition in W. Springfield, MA. Unfortunately I'm missing the event for only the second time in the last 25 years because my wife slipped on ice the week before Christmas and fractured her kneecap in half. Steven Allen>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71362	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Can motors and smoke units.

Whenever I convert an AF train to DC can I always replace the wick and wire in the smoke unit. WHen I do this I order the replacement wicks for Doug Peck and then take 1 to 2 windings per side off the wick. THe new unit always smokes great and I dont end up haveing to take the engine back apart to replace it later. Always solve my problem! Yes you can make your own replacements with angel hair and nichrome wire but it is a pain when you can buy them already finished. Stumpy, I love yuo to death but I think you are crazy LOL and Tom you can get the parts there quickly if you remember to send out the email to the customer requesting payment through paypal lol! TO each their own. Lets get back to making trains run. Chris, AKA cbtrainnut! In Ahia too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71363	From: daleminard	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Looking for a source

Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. Dale Minard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71364	From: Lou Templeton	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Y-3 Grinding sound

Do any of you with the new Y-3 hear a grinding sound when it goes through a curve? The sound effects may mask it somewhat but with the sound turned off I clearly hear a grinding sound. I sent it back to Lionel and they said the engine was fine. Sounds like it is comming from the front of the second engine. Is this normal for theY-3? Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks, Lou Templeton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71365	From: Timboy	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: My Tribute To The Sibley Department Store Layout

Hi, I pretty much have the control panel completed. Here is a link to some pics and narrative: http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71366	From: bigswede073	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

I believe I've read that the Hallmark Christmas ornaments are close to 1:64. Don Munsey, Jr ----- Original Message ----- From: "daleminard" <daleminard@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:09:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for a source Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. Dale Minard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71367	From: bigswede073	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

OOPS! I may have gotten my rubber gauging mixed up and was thinking 1:24 scale. Don Munsey, Jr ----- Original Message ----- From: "daleminard" <daleminard@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:09:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for a source Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. Dale Minard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71368	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

I have a few that I bought, believe it or not, at a Hallmark store! They are older Harley's meant to be Christmas tree ornaments. 1958_FL_Duo_Glide_Harley.jpg -Rick On Jan 28, 2013, at 6:09 AM, daleminard wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? > > I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. > > Dale Minard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71369	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Looking for a source

> You can see in this photo that I haven't taken out the little eyelet for hanging the ornament yet. > I think I have a total of five of them. Officer_Flatfoote_with_Harleys.sized.jpg -Rick > > > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Rick Evans wrote: > >> I have a few that I bought, believe it or not, at a Hallmark store! >> They are older Harley's meant to be Christmas tree ornaments. >> 1958_FL_Duo_Glide_Harley.jpg >> >> -Rick >> On Jan 28, 2013, at 6:09 AM, daleminard wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? >>> >>> I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. >>> >>> Dale Minard >>> >>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71370	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

Here's a '42 Hallmark Harley. IMG_2409.sized.jpg -Rick On Jan 28, 2013, at 6:09 AM, daleminard wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? > > I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. > > Dale Minard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71371	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

Sorry�my other links aren't working� try this link. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album105 Rick On Jan 28, 2013, at 6:09 AM, daleminard wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? > > I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. > > Dale Minard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71372	From: Alan Smith	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

Hum, Interesting comment---- I¹ll bet you haven¹t found any circa 1950¹s dump trucks. Alan On 1/28/13 2:06 PM, "dmunseyjr@..." <dmunseyjr@...> wrote: > > > > > > I believe I've read that the Hallmark Christmas ornaments are close to 1:64. > Don Munsey, Jr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "daleminard" daleminard@... <mailto:daleminard%40cox.net> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:09:21 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for a source > > Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and > 1950's? > > I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. > > Dale Minard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71373	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

No, you were right. Hallmark makes a couple of sizes. The mini series has a motorcycle each year. They are close enough to 1:64. I have several. Now, that bad news is that they are so small, it may be hard to identify years and models. Hallmark does assign values and makes an effort to be true to the prototype. Here is just one of the many sites with information on them: http://www.hookedonhallmark.com/Miniature-Harley-Davidson-Motorcycles_c_244.html Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 1/28/2013 2:09 PM, dmunseyjr@... wrote: > OOPS! I may have gotten my rubber gauging mixed up and was thinking 1:24 scale. > Don Munsey, Jr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "daleminard" <daleminard@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:09:21 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for a source > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? > > I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. > > Dale Minard > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71374	From: Frank	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

Go to a HD dealer and check out the maker of their Harley models. Frank On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:09 AM, "daleminard" <daleminard@...> wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? > > I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. > > Dale Minard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71375	From: Frank	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

sales@... Frank On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:09 AM, "daleminard" <daleminard@...> wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? > > I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. > > Dale Minard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71376	From: Frank	Date: 1/28/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

Mysto die cast Frank On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:09 AM, "daleminard" <daleminard@...> wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? > > I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. > > Dale Minard > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71377	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: motorcycles

I have a fellow club member who does lead castings of motor-cycles, among other things, but they do need to be cleaned up and painted. If this is of interest to you I can give you contact information. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71378	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

This would take some work on your part, but if you are sold on the can motors and do want to increase the smoke output, try making replacement smoke wire wicks yourself. Reduce the length of wire thus reducing the resistance in the smoke unit. You may have to try this more than once, maybe reduce the resistance from 35 ohms down to 25 ohms. If this works you are done, if there is not enough smoke try 20 ohms, or if at 25 ohms smoke unit life is to short increase resistance 10%. It might well be worth the effort. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71379	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: DC and smoke unit

Converting a 350 to a can motor on a smoke chassis with a new Port Lines wick I found that reducing the resistance to 30 ohms gave good smoke for a reasonable length of time. There doesn't seem to be much difference in the smoke output or duration between pulling only a couple of cars up to a full 15 car circus train. Kyle -----Original Message----- This would take some work on your part, but if you are sold on the can motors and do want to increase the smoke output, try making replacement smoke wire wicks yourself. Reduce the length of wire thus reducing the resistance in the smoke unit. You may have to try this more than once, maybe reduce the resistance from 35 ohms down to 25 ohms. If this works you are done, if there is not enough smoke try 20 ohms, or if at 25 ohms smoke unit life is to short increase resistance 10%. It might well be worth the effort. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71380	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Sad News

I'm sorry to have to report that Dad passed away suddenly and unrelated to his illness. Some you may have never met him but I know he touched many of you in his own special way. Visitation is from 2-4 pm on Wednesday at the Becker Funeral Home, 219 Kinderkamack Road in Westwood, NJ, with funeral services on Thursday morning at 10 am. He will be buried in George Washington Memorial Park in Paramus, NJ. You can get more info at the funeral home website. If you have a repair or parts order with us it may be delayed about a week or possibly a bit longer. Thanks for understanding, -Clay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71381	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Sad News

Sorry to hear of this news You and your family have our deepest condolences. Your and your family our in our prayers. Kindest regards, Rich Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Clay Buckage <lamontcranston1946@...> wrote: > I'm sorry to have to report that Dad passed away suddenly and unrelated to his illness. > > Some you may have never met him but I know he touched many of you in his own special way. > > Visitation is from 2-4 pm on Wednesday at the Becker Funeral Home, 219 Kinderkamack Road in Westwood, NJ, with funeral services on Thursday morning at 10 am. He will be buried in George Washington Memorial Park in Paramus, NJ. > > You can get more info at the funeral home website. > > If you have a repair or parts order with us it may be delayed about a week or possibly a bit longer. > > Thanks for understanding, > -Clay > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71382	From: race944t	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Sad News

Sorry for the sad news. My prayers are with you and Barb. Your dad left many a great legacy in the "S" gauge community. "Banker" Bill Clark --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71383	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Sad News

Sorry , Do not think I can get some ont to cover for me on Wed.  My resgrects to the family. ________________________________ From: Clay Buckage <lamontcranston1946@...> To: Clay Buckage <clay@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Sad News   I'm sorry to have to report that Dad passed away suddenly and unrelated to his illness. Some you may have never met him but I know he touched many of you in his own special way. Visitation is from 2-4 pm on Wednesday at the Becker Funeral Home, 219 Kinderkamack Road in Westwood, NJ, with funeral services on Thursday morning at 10 am. He will be buried in George Washington Memorial Park in Paramus, NJ. You can get more info at the funeral home website. If you have a repair or parts order with us it may be delayed about a week or possibly a bit longer. Thanks for understanding, -Clay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71384	From: mike rosz	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Amherst Railway Society show casualty

good ________________________________ From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Amherst Railway Society show casualty   Midnight, and we just returned home. Rapidly scanning over 400 emails and 200 SPAM from the past 3 days. And you were definitely missed, Steve. Even my wife asked about your absence! The bad news is that early this morning, before the show even opened, Phil (owner of Lehigh Valley Models) fell at the show and broke his ankle. Spent the day in the hospital, and will be having surgery tomorrow morning. But plenty of great train folks pitched right in helping his wife all day, including helping her pack up, load the car, and driving her to the hotel. And they weren't all S-gaugers either !!!! << >> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 mailto:doug%40portlines.com http://www.portlines.com/ Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71385	From: Frank	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

I see I spelled it wrong. This is in Hobby Lobby in 1 /18th scale. I am sure there is some close to 1 /64th. Frank On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote: > Mysto die cast > > Frank > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:09 AM, "daleminard" daleminard@...> wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? > > > > I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. > > > > Dale Minard > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71386	From: Frank	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a source

I see the photo did not come through. It is spelled Maisto . Frank On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote: > > I see I spelled it wrong. This is in Hobby Lobby in 1 /18th scale. I am sure there is some close to 1 /64th. > Frank > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Frank femiro2002@...> wrote: > > > Mysto die cast > > > > Frank > > > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:09 AM, "daleminard" daleminard@...> wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know of a source for 1:64 scale motor cycles from the 1940's and 1950's? > > > > > > I have no problem finding cars & trucks but can't seem to find any bikes. > > > > > > Dale Minard > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71387	From: Al	Date: 1/29/2013
Subject: 1952 DUMP TRUCK

I have a 1952 or thereabouts Tootsie Toy dump truck  that my aunt had among other toys for her nieces and nephews to play with when visiting. One of my cousins repainted it but it is still in great condition with original wheels and no visible rust. Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71388	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/30/2013
Subject: HACKING ON THE RISE

with the recent rash of hacking, across the broad spectrum of yahoo, it is time to review your security software, as well as changing your password, sometimes we get to lazy, and forget, THEY DON'T mel perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71389	From: Louis	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: MTH - S Scale

Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their first s gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin Martinez. Lou Baldi Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information on our upcoming S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please watch the MTH website for the latest information. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Kirstin Martinez MTH Electric Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71390	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: HACKING ON THE RISE

I agree whole heartedly! Yahoo has been under constant attack by Hackers and SPAMMERS since before last Christmas. At least one S gauger I know has had problems over and over since this past summer. As Mel said, you must have your computer's security programing up to date. But the easiest thing to do is not open anything which says "no subject" no matter who it is from. The same goes for "You have to see this," or other subject line which does not say what the e-mail message actually is. You might miss a few messages from friends too lazy to put a subject on their e-mails, but their laxness also makes them more likely to be nailed by Hackers anyway! Even a minor mistake can be bad news. If the e-mail or Yahoo post has this sort of subject line, or has just a link once you open it, DELETE it without further investigation! Hackers can high jack your e-mail address list and send more of their crap in YOUR name! They can also take over your computer for their use or install viruses that will appear even many months later. Chinese Hackers just broke into the New York Times computer network, so Hackers can certainly get you! If you share a computer in the household warn the other users about this and make sure they follow the policy of "Don't look and do delete." This is nothing to play around with! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71391	From: Rich	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models dealers if they knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and fuzzy about what MTH was going to do... - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Louis" wrote: > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their first s gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin Martinez. > Lou Baldi > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information on our upcoming S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please watch the MTH website for the latest information. > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > Thank you, > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > MTH Electric Trains >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71392	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater

I know this is an old post, and this question has surely been asked before, but does anyone have a recommendation for a good, but economical wireless minicam for model RR use? Many thanks in advance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71393	From: Brady	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Inkjet Roads

Neat idea.. http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/11726 BTW you can get the GIMP software at http://www.gimp.org/ Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71394	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Louis, I have MTH bookmarked so I can look quicker when comes out. i will let everyone know when I see it. Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: Louis To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] MTH - S Scale   Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their first s gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin Martinez. Lou Baldi Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information on our upcoming S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please watch the MTH website for the latest information. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Kirstin Martinez MTH Electric Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71395	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: HACKING ON THE RISE

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Stumpy, Another dead give away. If it does not say anything about trains on this list delete it.  I did not have anything to do with the message sent under my name. My security level is at it's highest, plus  most of it goes dirrectly to my spam folder where I delete it. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: HACKING ON THE RISE   I agree whole heartedly! Yahoo has been under constant attack by Hackers and SPAMMERS since before last Christmas. At least one S gauger I know has had problems over and over since this past summer. As Mel said, you must have your computer's security programing up to date. But the easiest thing to do is not open anything which says "no subject" no matter who it is from. The same goes for "You have to see this," or other subject line which does not say what the e-mail message actually is. You might miss a few messages from friends too lazy to put a subject on their e-mails, but their laxness also makes them more likely to be nailed by Hackers anyway! Even a minor mistake can be bad news. If the e-mail or Yahoo post has this sort of subject line, or has just a link once you open it, DELETE it without further investigation! Hackers can high jack your e-mail address list and send more of their crap in YOUR name! They can also take over your computer for their use or install viruses that will appear even many months later. Chinese Hackers just broke into the New York Times computer network, so Hackers can certainly get you! If you share a computer in the household warn the other users about this and make sure they follow the policy of "Don't look and do delete." This is nothing to play around with! Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71396	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman said that the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. However, the company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport with MTH designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until after Labor Day 2013. In a message dated 1/31/2013 12:28:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, richs009@... writes: At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models dealers if they knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and fuzzy about what MTH was going to do... - Rich --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Louis" wrote: > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their first s gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin Martinez. > Lou Baldi > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information on our upcoming S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please watch the MTH website for the latest information. > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > Thank you, > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > MTH Electric Trains > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71397	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

I think what everyone fails to realize is that MTH has to test every mold that we transferred to them. This takes time. We knew that they could be missing a mold or two from a project, plus all of the wire forming tools were not included (hand grabs, etc.). I thought that them having product in 2012 (or even 2013) was overly optimistic, but I am sure those announcements came before they understood the scope of what tooling needed to be replaced. I hope everyone is understanding on the length of time it takes Mike and company to get a quality product to the marketplace. One thing I am sure, if they make anything, it would have been more than Mike and I would have made in the same time period.... Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71398	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: My spam message

To all, I am now getting the "Failure to send" message in my e-mails. I hope this clears up everything. I did not send that ugly message. Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71399	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

firstly, in regards to the statement by richs009, in regards to osw 2013 convention, "that there were a couple of shs/am dealers, who said that mth was completely non responsive", this statement is misleading and ambiguous to say the least, there was only one shs/am dealer at the show, and i believe his statement was taken out of context, as no responsible dealer is going to shoot himself in the foot, so to speak, this is another example of irresponsible posting, that is going to do more damage then good, this rush to judgement or condemnation, is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this type of irresponsible posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike wolf is reading this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who can't simply control yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try something constructive, like modeling 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do with yourself 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the pilot light, and then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and light a match to see where the hissing sound is coming from in other words, shut TFU mel perry On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:31 AM, UNLV666@... wrote: > At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman > said that > the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. > However, the > company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport > with MTH > designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until > after > Labor Day 2013. > > > In a message dated 1/31/2013 12:28:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > richs009@... writes: > > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an > S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models > dealers if they > knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was > completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and > fuzzy about > what MTH was going to do... > > - Rich > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > "Louis" wrote: > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their > first s > gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin > Martinez. > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your > interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information > on our upcoming > S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please > watch the > MTH website for the latest information. > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71400	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

All good points and good to remember. My hope is that they will add S to their line of MTHRRC memberships with a unique car every year. I have a long train of their Standard Gauge, purple stuff and a long train of SHS Christmas Trains. Now, it would be fun to start expanding on that theme. One of the cool parts of the SHS Christmas cars and loco is that each was selected from a prototype and then plussed for the season. Should be worth the wait if MTH does something similar in concept. Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 1/31/2013 1:00 PM, Don Thompson wrote: > I think what everyone fails to realize is that MTH has to test every mold that we transferred to them. This takes time. We knew that they could be missing a mold or two from a project, plus all of the wire forming tools were not included (hand grabs, etc.). I thought that them having product in 2012 (or even 2013) was overly optimistic, but I am sure those announcements came before they understood the scope of what tooling needed to be replaced. > I hope everyone is understanding on the length of time it takes Mike and company to get a quality product to the marketplace. One thing I am sure, if they make anything, it would have been more than Mike and I would have made in the same time period.... > Don Thompson > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71401	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

R --- On Thu, 1/31/13, clipper841@... <clipper841@...> wrote: From: clipper841@... <clipper841@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 31, 2013, 2:02 PM   firstly, in regards to the statement by richs009, in regards to osw 2013 convention, "that there were a couple of shs/am dealers, who said that mth was completely non responsive", this statement is misleading and ambiguous to say the least, there was only one shs/am dealer at the show, and i believe his statement was taken out of context, as no responsible dealer is going to shoot himself in the foot, so to speak, this is another example of irresponsible posting, that is going to do more damage then good, this rush to judgement or condemnation, is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this type of irresponsible posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike wolf is reading this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who can't simply control yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try something constructive, like modeling 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do with yourself 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the pilot light, and then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and light a match to see where the hissing sound is coming from in other words, shut TFU mel perry On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:31 AM, UNLV666@... wrote: > At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman > said that > the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. > However, the > company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport > with MTH > designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until > after > Labor Day 2013. > > > In a message dated 1/31/2013 12:28:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > richs009@... writes: > > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an > S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models > dealers if they > knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was > completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and > fuzzy about > what MTH was going to do... > > - Rich > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > "Louis" wrote: > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their > first s > gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin > Martinez. > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your > interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information > on our upcoming > S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please > watch the > MTH website for the latest information. > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71402	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

Reminds me of when I was in the 9th grade.... In the School office below the Study Hall I was in, someone said they smelled GAS!!!!!! The Dean of Girls , trying to track down the source, got up on a chair and looked into the dark heating vent.... Unable to see anything but smelling Gas..... She STRUCK A MATCH TO SEE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!! Lost all her hair and school was closed for a few days!!!!!!!! She was ok too!!!!!!!!! True story.... I felt the FLOOR MOVE!!!!!!!!  Bob Conner --- On Thu, 1/31/13, clipper841@... <clipper841@...> wrote: From: clipper841@... <clipper841@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 31, 2013, 2:02 PM   firstly, in regards to the statement by richs009, in regards to osw 2013 convention, "that there were a couple of shs/am dealers, who said that mth was completely non responsive", this statement is misleading and ambiguous to say the least, there was only one shs/am dealer at the show, and i believe his statement was taken out of context, as no responsible dealer is going to shoot himself in the foot, so to speak, this is another example of irresponsible posting, that is going to do more damage then good, this rush to judgement or condemnation, is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this type of irresponsible posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike wolf is reading this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who can't simply control yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try something constructive, like modeling 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do with yourself 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the pilot light, and then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and light a match to see where the hissing sound is coming from in other words, shut TFU mel perry On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:31 AM, UNLV666@... wrote: > At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman > said that > the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. > However, the > company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport > with MTH > designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until > after > Labor Day 2013. > > > In a message dated 1/31/2013 12:28:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > richs009@... writes: > > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an > S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models > dealers if they > knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was > completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and > fuzzy about > what MTH was going to do... > > - Rich > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > "Louis" wrote: > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their > first s > gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin > Martinez. > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your > interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information > on our upcoming > S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please > watch the > MTH website for the latest information. > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71403	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

From: Alan Lambert          Fort Worth, Texas Mel, To sum up a e-mail from Don Thompson (Old SHS). He said They have most of the molds in house. They MTH are in the process of inspecting these molds for wear. Some of the jigs for making grab irons were not included. Time will tell. Like you said, And I'm going to say again. Guys get out your best chair, fluff up the cussion, park your Butt it it and wait for the official word from MTH. Don said it will take more time than we are allowing.                  Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale   firstly, in regards to the statement by richs009, in regards to osw 2013 convention, "that there were a couple of shs/am dealers, who said that mth was completely non responsive", this statement is misleading and ambiguous to say the least, there was only one shs/am dealer at the show, and i believe his statement was taken out of context, as no responsible dealer is going to shoot himself in the foot, so to speak, this is another example of irresponsible posting, that is going to do more damage then good, this rush to judgement or condemnation, is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this type of irresponsible posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike wolf is reading this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who can't simply control yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try something constructive, like modeling 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do with yourself 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the pilot light, and then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and light a match to see where the hissing sound is coming from in other words, shut TFU mel perry On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:31 AM, UNLV666@... wrote: > At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman > said that > the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. > However, the > company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport > with MTH > designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until > after > Labor Day 2013. > > > In a message dated 1/31/2013 12:28:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > richs009@... writes: > > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an > S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models > dealers if they > knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was > completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and > fuzzy about > what MTH was going to do... > > - Rich > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > "Louis" wrote: > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their > first s > gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin > Martinez. > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your > interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information > on our upcoming > S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please > watch the > MTH website for the latest information. > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71404	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

Wow, Maybe you should take your own suggestion #1. I certainly can't recommend 2 and 3. Dale On 1/31/2013 11:02 AM, clipper841@... wrote: > > ... this rush to judgement or condemnation, > is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this > type of irresponsible > posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike > wolf is reading > this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who > can't simply control > yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions > 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try > something > constructive, like modeling > 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do > with yourself > 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the > pilot light, and > then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and > light a match to > see where the hissing sound is coming from > in other words, shut TFU > mel perry > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:31 AM, UNLV666@... > <mailto:UNLV666%40aol.com> wrote: > > > At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman > > said that > > the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. > > However, the > > company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport > > with MTH > > designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until > > after > > Labor Day 2013. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/31/2013 12:28:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > richs009@... <mailto:richs009%40yahoo.com> writes: > > > > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an > > S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models > > dealers if they > > knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was > > completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and > > fuzzy about > > what MTH was going to do... > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>) , > > "Louis" wrote: > > > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their > > first s > > gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin > > Martinez. > > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your > > interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information > > on our upcoming > > S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please > > watch the > > MTH website for the latest information. > > > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71405	From: grchud	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

Mel, Excellent comments! It makes one wonder sometimes the age of these toy train hobbyists with their, “I want it now!” Have patience lads....Rome wasn’t built in a day! Take a look at other gauges from when an announcement until the product hits the market. Follow the companies’ websites and you will see. Gary Chudzinski Re: MTH - S Scale Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:12 pm (PST) . Posted by: "clipper841@..." clipper841@... firstly, in regards to the statement by richs009, in regards to osw 2013 convention, "that there were a couple of shs/am dealers, who said that mth was completely non responsive", this statement is misleading and ambiguous to say the least, there was only one shs/am dealer at the show, and i believe his statement was taken out of context, as no responsible dealer is going to shoot himself in the foot, so to speak, this is another example of irresponsible posting, that is going to do more damage then good, this rush to judgement or condemnation, is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this type of irresponsible posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike wolf is reading this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who can't simply control yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try something constructive, like modeling 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do with yourself 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the pilot light, and then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and light a match to see where the hissing sound is coming from in other words, shut TFU mel perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71406	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

This is a little misleading, because it implies ALL product release delayed til after Labor Day. What we were told is that all production and release is pushed back about 3 months from prior suggestions. We were told (and maybe it depends WHO you talk to !) that trackwork will be released in the 2nd quarter......some rolling stock in the 3rd quarter.....and any engines not before the 4th quarter. <<<At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman said that the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. However, the company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport with MTH designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until after Labor Day 2013.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71407	From: Howard Sheffield	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

I am one of the dealers from the O and S show and I can assure you that MTH's response to my inquiry was cold even though I have been about the largest stocking dealer of S on the west coast since 2002 when I really got into S again. They won't even talk to non brick and mortar stores just like Lionel doesn't. The old corporate attitude strikes again and the results will show. Considering how many brick and mortar stores are closing, they are on the wrong track in my humble opinion. Howard Howard' S Trains On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Rich <richs009@...> wrote: > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models dealers if they knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and fuzzy about what MTH was going to do... > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Louis" wrote: > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their first s gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin Martinez. > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information on our upcoming S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please watch the MTH website for the latest information. > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71408	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

ALL of the jigs for bending wire were not included... Don On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Mel, > > To sum up a e-mail from Don Thompson (Old SHS). He said They have most of the molds in house. They MTH are in the process of inspecting these molds for wear. Some of the jigs for making grab irons were not included. Time will tell. Like you said, And I'm going to say again. Guys get out your best chair, fluff up the cussion, park your Butt it it and wait for the official word from MTH. Don said it will take more time than we are allowing. > Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: "clipper841@..." clipper841@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale > > > > firstly, in regards to the statement by richs009, in regards to osw > 2013 convention, > "that there were a couple of shs/am dealers, who said that mth was > completely > non responsive", this statement is misleading and ambiguous to say > the least, > there was only one shs/am dealer at the show, and i believe his > statement was > taken out of context, as no responsible dealer is going to shoot > himself in the > foot, so to speak, this is another example of irresponsible posting, > that is going > to do more damage then good, this rush to judgement or condemnation, > is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this > type of irresponsible > posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike > wolf is reading > this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who > can't simply control > yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions > 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try > something > constructive, like modeling > 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do > with yourself > 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the > pilot light, and > then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and > light a match to > see where the hissing sound is coming from > in other words, shut TFU > mel perry > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:31 AM, UNLV666@... wrote: > > > At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman > > said that > > the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. > > However, the > > company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport > > with MTH > > designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until > > after > > Labor Day 2013. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/31/2013 12:28:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > richs009@... writes: > > > > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an > > S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models > > dealers if they > > knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was > > completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and > > fuzzy about > > what MTH was going to do... > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > > "Louis" wrote: > > > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their > > first s > > gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin > > Martinez. > > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your > > interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information > > on our upcoming > > S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please > > watch the > > MTH website for the latest information. > > > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71409	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Don, I meant to say "all". I'm going to miss how you had them made. I have my Santa-Fe 2-8-0 on my layout now with Locomatic sound. My NW-2 in conventionl ac ran for 2 hours straight at our Fort Worth Greatest Hobby show. Now I need to switch it back for full Locomatic Sound. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale   ALL of the jigs for bending wire were not included... Don On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Mel, > > To sum up a e-mail from Don Thompson (Old SHS). He said They have most of the molds in house. They MTH are in the process of inspecting these molds for wear. Some of the jigs for making grab irons were not included. Time will tell. Like you said, And I'm going to say again. Guys get out your best chair, fluff up the cussion, park your Butt it it and wait for the official word from MTH. Don said it will take more time than we are allowing. > Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: "clipper841@...841@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale > > > > firstly, in regards to the statement by richs009, in regards to osw > 2013 convention, > "that there were a couple of shs/am dealers, who said that mth was > completely > non responsive", this statement is misleading and ambiguous to say > the least, > there was only one shs/am dealer at the show, and i believe his > statement was > taken out of context, as no responsible dealer is going to shoot > himself in the > foot, so to speak, this is another example of irresponsible posting, > that is going > to do more damage then good, this rush to judgement or condemnation, > is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this > type of irresponsible > posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike > wolf is reading > this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who > can't simply control > yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions > 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try > something > constructive, like modeling > 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do > with yourself > 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the > pilot light, and > then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and > light a match to > see where the hissing sound is coming from > in other words, shut TFU > mel perry > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:31 AM, UNLV666@... wrote: > > > At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman > > said that > > the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. > > However, the > > company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport > > with MTH > > designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until > > after > > Labor Day 2013. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/31/2013 12:28:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > richs009@... writes: > > > > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an > > S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models > > dealers if they > > knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was > > completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and > > fuzzy about > > what MTH was going to do... > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > > "Louis" wrote: > > > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their > > first s > > gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin > > Martinez. > > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your > > interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information > > on our upcoming > > S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please > > watch the > > MTH website for the latest information. > > > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71410	From: Rich	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: apologies to all and to MTH

Folks - I had not meant to cast aspersions on MTH - though in looking back at my earlier post, I did. I apologize. I've certainly admired some of their O gauge offerings that I've seen at train shows and like many of you, I look forward to seeing what they produce for S gauge. I fully realize that it takes time to gear up for a new product line, even when acquiring most of the production materials from SHS (whose products I've both admired and acquired...). So to paraphrase the 'don't believe everything you think' bumper sticker, one shouldn't type everything you think either (especially when it doesn't come out right). - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71411	From: kensington3121	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

I found this potentially interesting link: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/9173459967184536/filePointer/9173459967184555/fodoid/9173459967184551/imageType/LARGE/inlineImage/true/MTH%2520Flyer%25201.JPG Paul Schilling -----Original Message----- From: Louis <lou342ac@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 31, 2013 8:34 am Subject: [S-Trains] MTH - S Scale Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their first s gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin Martinez. Lou Baldi Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information on our upcoming S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please watch the MTH website for the latest information. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Kirstin Martinez MTH Electric Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71412	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S scale

Drop the throttle out of run eight and apply the train brake guys! No use getting excited or in a hurry, especially if you have already happily waited as long as you did for most Flyonel products! Barking and growling and foaming at the mouth isn't the way to do this. Patience is a virtue and anything good is worth waiting for. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71413	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/31/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S scale

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Stumpy, Sounds like they are sitting on nail cussion and got that uncontroleable itch for some new sydrom. Best med is to wait and let them make sure all of the molds are up to their standards before they make something that breaks as soon as they buy it. It takes time to inspect all of the molds, and then begin production. I'm Laid back and waiting good  to happen. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MTH S scale   Drop the throttle out of run eight and apply the train brake guys! No use getting excited or in a hurry, especially if you have already happily waited as long as you did for most Flyonel products! Barking and growling and foaming at the mouth isn't the way to do this. Patience is a virtue and anything good is worth waiting for. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71414	From: Herbert	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S scale

If they rushed into production ASAP and there were quality issues, the same people would be complaining about that. Better to wait a bit longer and get a a better quality product. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >   Fort Worth, Texas > > Stumpy, > > Sounds like they are sitting on nail cussion and got that uncontroleable itch for some new sydrom. Best med is to wait and let them make sure all of the molds are up to their standards before they make something that breaks as soon as they buy it. It takes time to inspect all of the molds, and then begin production. I'm Laid back and waiting good  to happen. >   Alan Lambert > > > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MTH S scale > > >   > Drop the throttle out of run eight and apply the train brake guys! No use getting excited or in a hurry, especially if you have already happily waited as long as you did for most Flyonel products! > > Barking and growling and foaming at the mouth isn't the way to do this. Patience is a virtue and anything good is worth waiting for. > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71415	From: Dr Trains	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

Hi all, it occurred to me that positive thinking & positive action creates positive results. So here is my five cents worth: How many of us have written/emailed Mike Wolf and thanked him for his interest in S, his purchase of SHS and welcomed him into our midst? Further stating how we all admire his products in Std. Gauge, O, HO, and soon to be S.  (He started off doing repairs and then reproductions of pre-war trains, then graduated to producing an immense variety of high quality items, that DO preform out of the box, as witnessed by many Std /O enthusiasts whom I have had the pleasure of meeting over the years. In contrast to Lionel mechanical/ electronic problems on brand new products in S and also O.) We might also offer a hand to help with any S related research/development/ product ideas and suggestions as to what might be most needed in S (for example flex track, larger radius curved track ,above 29", and #5/#6 switches...Fill in your thoughts and ideas. Incude email/ phone contact and times to call etc. In Closing once again state how grand it is to have one of the premier quality manufactures and promoters of model/toy train products in the world. (Which Mikes Train House is). Do your own words/use mine with modifications editing to suit you/ or copy... I really am only interested in promoting the amazing group of modelers in AF/high rail-Scale and Sn42-36-30-24??? etc. And to be heard in a positive reenforcing way...after all, those who see that their efforts are valued, respected and appreciated, WILL pay attention. We are indeed very fortunate to have MTH involved in S and HE WILL give Lionel a run for their money! I wish all of us S nuts well as we can only benefit in the long run. S-gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb ...Involved in S and all railroading since childhood, former S manufacturer, and model railroad hobby shop owner. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71416	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S scale

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Herb, That is the spirit I like . We all need to do the same And go run trains.My chair is waiting for me. I can wait for as long as it takes MTH . � Alan Lambert   Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: Herbert To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH S scale   If they rushed into production ASAP and there were quality issues, the same people would be complaining about that. Better to wait a bit longer and get a a better quality product. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >   Fort Worth, Texas > > Stumpy, > > Sounds like they are sitting on nail cussion and got that uncontroleable itch for some new sydrom. Best med is to wait and let them make sure all of the molds are up to their standards before they make something that breaks as soon as they buy it. It takes time to inspect all of the molds, and then begin production. I'm Laid back and waiting good  to happen. >   Alan Lambert > > > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MTH S scale > > >   > Drop the throttle out of run eight and apply the train brake guys! No use getting excited or in a hurry, especially if you have already happily waited as long as you did for most Flyonel products! > > Barking and growling and foaming at the mouth isn't the way to do this. Patience is a virtue and anything good is worth waiting for. > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71417	From: Donald Keil	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

Dr Train Very well put and it was interesting reading a positive action plan Don Keil ________________________________ From: Dr Trains <dtrains@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale   Hi all, it occurred to me that positive thinking & positive action creates positive results. So here is my five cents worth: How many of us have written/emailed Mike Wolf and thanked him for his interest in S, his purchase of SHS and welcomed him into our midst? Further stating how we all admire his products in Std. Gauge, O, HO, and soon to be S.  (He started off doing repairs and then reproductions of pre-war trains, then graduated to producing an immense variety of high quality items, that DO preform out of the box, as witnessed by many Std /O enthusiasts whom I have had the pleasure of meeting over the years. In contrast to Lionel mechanical/ electronic problems on brand new products in S and also O.) We might also offer a hand to help with any S related research/development/ product ideas and suggestions as to what might be most needed in S (for example flex track, larger radius curved track ,above 29", and #5/#6 switches...Fill in your thoughts and ideas. Incude email/ phone contact and times to call etc. In Closing once again state how grand it is to have one of the premier quality manufactures and promoters of model/toy train products in the world. (Which Mikes Train House is). Do your own words/use mine with modifications editing to suit you/ or copy... I really am only interested in promoting the amazing group of modelers in AF/high rail-Scale and Sn42-36-30-24??? etc. And to be heard in a positive reenforcing way...after all, those who see that their efforts are valued, respected and appreciated, WILL pay attention. We are indeed very fortunate to have MTH involved in S and HE WILL give Lionel a run for their money! I wish all of us S nuts well as we can only benefit in the long run. S-gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb ...Involved in S and all railroading since childhood, former S manufacturer, and model railroad hobby shop owner. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71418	From: dtrains@ymail.com	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: AM switches???

Any opinions on AM switches adaptability to running scale and AF style wheels/flanges on and thru their switches and crossings, as I use both. The track section on AM site say slight modification is necessary??? no mention as to what that is, and how it would affect running both scale and high-rail stuff. Another question , just what is the frog angle equivalent to??? could figure it out myself, but do not have any AM switches to measure. I like the switches that Tom Stoltz makes...they work fine with either due to his ingenious invention at frog, that allows both scale and high-rail to transition switches. Thanks, Peter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71419	From: Frank	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S scale

Mike will do it right as he has done in the past. He learns from mistakes and makes great products. I think MTH will really bring S to a higher level in the model scale train market. Time will tell. Frank On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Herb, > That is the spirit I like . We all need to do the same And go run trains.My chair is waiting for me. I can wait for as long as it takes MTH . > Alan Lambert > >  > Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: Herbert > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 3:40 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH S scale > > >  > If they rushed into production ASAP and there were quality issues, > the same people would be complaining about that. Better to wait a bit longer and get a a better quality product. > Herb Wasserman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert wrote: > > > > From: Alan Lambert > >  Fort Worth, Texas > > > > Stumpy, > > > > Sounds like they are sitting on nail cussion and got that uncontroleable itch for some new sydrom. Best med is to wait and let them make sure all of the molds are up to their standards before they make something that breaks as soon as they buy it. It takes time to inspect all of the molds, and then begin production. I'm Laid back and waiting good to happen. > >  Alan Lambert > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: mrstumpy50 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:54 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MTH S scale > > > > > >  > > Drop the throttle out of run eight and apply the train brake guys! No use getting excited or in a hurry, especially if you have already happily waited as long as you did for most Flyonel products! > > > > Barking and growling and foaming at the mouth isn't the way to do this. Patience is a virtue and anything good is worth waiting for. > > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71420	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: MTH - S Scale

I've been writing off and on to MTH about the possibility of them producing S scale locomotives and rolling stock for several years now.  And was thrilled to death when they finally revealed that they were buying the S Helper line and putting it out under their own banner.  I can't wait to see what they come up with. Tony Gervasio ________________________________ From: Dr Trains <dtrains@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale   Hi all, it occurred to me that positive thinking & positive action creates positive results. So here is my five cents worth: How many of us have written/emailed Mike Wolf and thanked him for his interest in S, his purchase of SHS and welcomed him into our midst? Further stating how we all admire his products in Std. Gauge, O, HO, and soon to be S.  (He started off doing repairs and then reproductions of pre-war trains, then graduated to producing an immense variety of high quality items, that DO preform out of the box, as witnessed by many Std /O enthusiasts whom I have had the pleasure of meeting over the years. In contrast to Lionel mechanical/ electronic problems on brand new products in S and also O.) We might also offer a hand to help with any S related research/development/ product ideas and suggestions as to what might be most needed in S (for example flex track, larger radius curved track ,above 29", and #5/#6 switches...Fill in your thoughts and ideas. Incude email/ phone contact and times to call etc. In Closing once again state how grand it is to have one of the premier quality manufactures and promoters of model/toy train products in the world. (Which Mikes Train House is). Do your own words/use mine with modifications editing to suit you/ or copy... I really am only interested in promoting the amazing group of modelers in AF/high rail-Scale and Sn42-36-30-24??? etc. And to be heard in a positive reenforcing way...after all, those who see that their efforts are valued, respected and appreciated, WILL pay attention. We are indeed very fortunate to have MTH involved in S and HE WILL give Lionel a run for their money! I wish all of us S nuts well as we can only benefit in the long run. S-gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb ...Involved in S and all railroading since childhood, former S manufacturer, and model railroad hobby shop owner. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71421	From: R G	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: AM switches???

Scale wheels will tend to pick the points because to accommodate Flyer wheel sets the guard rails have to wide a space between them and the running rails. They do not hold the thinner scale wheel sets against the running rails.  There is no problem with Hi rail and Flyer wheel sets.  I have some scale equipment and cars and most of the time they will successfully negotiate the American Model switches.  If you add a shim to prevent scale wheel sets from picking the points the gap  between the guard and running rail will be too narrow for the Flyer wheel sets.   ________________________________ From: "dtrains@..." <dtrains@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AM switches???   Any opinions on AM switches adaptability to running scale and AF style wheels/flanges on and thru their switches and crossings, as I use both. The track section on AM site say slight modification is necessary??? no mention as to what that is, and how it would affect running both scale and high-rail stuff. Another question , just what is the frog angle equivalent to??? could figure it out myself, but do not have any AM switches to measure. I like the switches that Tom Stoltz makes...they work fine with either due to his ingenious invention at frog, that allows both scale and high-rail to transition switches. Thanks, Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71422	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: AM switches???

Hi Peter, It is just barely possible you will get more than one opinion on this topic. Here is mine. The switches require guard rails opposite the tip of the frog for scale operation. The concept is used in most scale turnouts. The guard rails provide a gap just wide enough to allow the passage of the flange on the outside and to prevent the inside flange from picking the tip of the frog and going on the other path - picking. Sadly, the flanges on Flyer-compatible wheels are much thicker than on scale wheels. So, for the guard rails to work, you must choose. The small gap required for scale wheels will trap the Flyer flanges. The large gap required for Flyer flanges will not hold the scale wheels away from the tip of the frog. Tom's Turnouts (http://www.tomsturnouts.com/turnouts.html) has good pictures of the frogs and guard rails on their switches. Another acceptable reference for scale turnouts is the Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_switch). Tubular track uses a different kind of switching mechanism. The points and the frog area both swivel. There really is no frog as such. So, there is nothing to pick and no need for guard rails. An article with photos showing construction of one of these 'closed frog' turnouts is at http://www.bristol-s-gauge.com/Projects/cfrogsw/cfroginfo.html. The lack of guard rails allows for the reliable operation of either type of wheels. Open Frog - needs guard rails and special mechanism if you want to run both Flyer and scale wheels. Closed Frog - no guard rails required due to the different switching mechanics. S-Trax used a scheme with a mechanism that caused the tip of the frog to pivot and prevent the inside wheel going the wrong way. There are other solutions to the mechanical problem. When I used AM track, I had to choose Flyer flanges (as the switches are made) or scale (with the addition of a guard rail). I expect you will too if you go with AM turnouts. Good luck and please let us know how you are doing, Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 2/1/2013 9:02 AM, dtrains@... wrote: > Any opinions on AM switches adaptability to running scale and AF style wheels/flanges on and thru their switches and crossings, as I use both. The track section on AM site say slight modification is necessary??? no mention as to what that is, and how it would affect running both scale and high-rail stuff. > > Another question , just what is the frog angle equivalent to??? could figure it out myself, but do not have any AM switches to measure. > > I like the switches that Tom Stoltz makes...they work fine with either due to his ingenious invention at frog, that allows both scale and high-rail to transition switches. > > Thanks, Peter > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71423	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater

Richard, Check on eBay. I bought one several years ago. It is powered by a 9V battery. You can find ones that have video or video/audio. Seems like mine was around $20 or so. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hosmer wrote: > > I know this is an old post, and this question has surely been asked before, but does anyone have a recommendation for a good, but economical wireless minicam for model RR use? > > Many thanks in advance. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71424	From: Roy	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: PWRR website

I just finished making some improvements to the PWRR website at: http://royhoffman.com/pwrr <http://royhoffman.com/pwrr> I added lots of pictures that can be viewed at: http://royhoffman.com/pwrr/Takearide <http://royhoffman.com/pwrr/Takearide> Roy Hoffman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71425	From: harrisfamily436	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5950

For my part I spoke with Ron from DesPlaines Hobbies and Don late of SHS and both were very complimentary of MTH. Ron in particular reminded me that this is a business for (him and) MTH and was certain that they would get S into production as soon as they practically could, and AFTER they'd analyzed the market, but probably not before the beginning of 2014. He doubted whether all of their former products would ever be produced, such as perhaps the trailer-on-flat, but that the F3's and F7's most likely would. My guidance to those who are critical of MTH might be "hold onto your britches". There are always lots of negative naysayers around, too many in fact. Ron sometimes comes across as a curmudgeon, but both he and Don are wonderful guys. As most know. Ned, new here, but S gauger since 1955.   -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 12:11 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 5950 There are 15 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1a. Re: MTH - S Scale From: grchud 1b. Re: MTH - S Scale From: Doug Peck 1c. Re: MTH - S Scale From: Howard Sheffield 1d. Re: MTH - S Scale From: Don Thompson 1e. Re: MTH - S Scale From: Alan Lambert 1f. Re: MTH - S Scale From: kensington3121 1g. Re: MTH - S Scale From: Dr Trains 1h. Re: MTH - S Scale From: Donald Keil 2. apologies to all and to MTH From: Rich 3a. Re: MTH S scale From: mrstumpy50 3b. Re: MTH S scale From: Alan Lambert 3c. Re: MTH S scale From: Herbert 3d. Re: MTH S scale From: Alan Lambert 3e. Re: MTH S scale From: Frank 4. AM switches??? From: dtrains@... Messages ________________________________________________________________________ 1a. Re: MTH - S Scale Posted by: "grchud" chudgr@... grchud Date: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:48 pm ((PST)) Mel, Excellent comments! It makes one wonder sometimes the age of these toy train hobbyists with their, “I want it now!” Have patience lads....Rome wasn’t built in a day! Take a look at other gauges from when an announcement until the product hits the market. Follow the companies’ websites and you will see. Gary Chudzinski Re: MTH - S Scale Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:12 pm (PST) . Posted by: "clipper841@..." clipper841@... firstly, in regards to the statement by richs009, in regards to osw 2013 convention, "that there were a couple of shs/am dealers, who said that mth was completely non responsive", this statement is misleading and ambiguous to say the least, there was only one shs/am dealer at the show, and i believe his statement was taken out of context, as no responsible dealer is going to shoot himself in the foot, so to speak, this is another example of irresponsible posting, that is going to do more damage then good, this rush to judgement or condemnation, is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this type of irresponsible posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike wolf is reading this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who can't simply control yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try something constructive, like modeling 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do with yourself 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the pilot light, and then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and light a match to see where the hissing sound is coming from in other words, shut TFU mel perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (19) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: MTH - S Scale Posted by: "Doug Peck" doug@... portlines Date: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:48 pm ((PST)) This is a little misleading, because it implies ALL product release delayed til after Labor Day. What we were told is that all production and release is pushed back about 3 months from prior suggestions. We were told (and maybe it depends WHO you talk to !) that trackwork will be released in the 2nd quarter......some rolling stock in the 3rd quarter.....and any engines not before the 4th quarter. <<<At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman said that the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. However, the company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport with MTH designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until after Labor Day 2013.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (19) ________________________________________________________________________ 1c. Re: MTH - S Scale Posted by: "Howard Sheffield" hjsheff@... hjsheffield Date: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:48 pm ((PST)) I am one of the dealers from the O and S show and I can assure you that MTH's response to my inquiry was cold even though I have been about the largest stocking dealer of S on the west coast since 2002 when I really got into S again. They won't even talk to non brick and mortar stores just like Lionel doesn't. The old corporate attitude strikes again and the results will show. Considering how many brick and mortar stores are closing, they are on the wrong track in my humble opinion. Howard Howard' S Trains On Jan 31, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Rich <richs009@...> wrote: > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models dealers if they knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and fuzzy about what MTH was going to do... > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Louis" wrote: > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their first s gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin Martinez. > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information on our upcoming S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please watch the MTH website for the latest information. > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (19) ________________________________________________________________________ 1d. Re: MTH - S Scale Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@... dont08901 Date: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:48 pm ((PST)) ALL of the jigs for bending wire were not included... Don On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Mel, > > To sum up a e-mail from Don Thompson (Old SHS). He said They have most of the molds in house. They MTH are in the process of inspecting these molds for wear. Some of the jigs for making grab irons were not included. Time will tell. Like you said, And I'm going to say again. Guys get out your best chair, fluff up the cussion, park your Butt it it and wait for the official word from MTH. Don said it will take more time than we are allowing. > Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: "clipper841@..." clipper841@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale > > > > firstly, in regards to the statement by richs009, in regards to osw > 2013 convention, > "that there were a couple of shs/am dealers, who said that mth was > completely > non responsive", this statement is misleading and ambiguous to say > the least, > there was only one shs/am dealer at the show, and i believe his > statement was > taken out of context, as no responsible dealer is going to shoot > himself in the > foot, so to speak, this is another example of irresponsible posting, > that is going > to do more damage then good, this rush to judgement or condemnation, > is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this > type of irresponsible > posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike > wolf is reading > this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who > can't simply control > yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions > 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try > something > constructive, like modeling > 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do > with yourself > 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the > pilot light, and > then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and > light a match to > see where the hissing sound is coming from > in other words, shut TFU > mel perry > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:31 AM, UNLV666@... wrote: > > > At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman > > said that > > the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. > > However, the > > company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport > > with MTH > > designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until > > after > > Labor Day 2013. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/31/2013 12:28:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > richs009@... writes: > > > > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an > > S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models > > dealers if they > > knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was > > completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and > > fuzzy about > > what MTH was going to do... > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > > "Louis" wrote: > > > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their > > first s > > gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin > > Martinez. > > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your > > interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information > > on our upcoming > > S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please > > watch the > > MTH website for the latest information. > > > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (19) ________________________________________________________________________ 1e. Re: MTH - S Scale Posted by: "Alan Lambert" alanlambert64@... alanlambert64 Date: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:03 pm ((PST)) From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Don, I meant to say "all". I'm going to miss how you had them made. I have my Santa-Fe 2-8-0 on my layout now with Locomatic sound. My NW-2 in conventionl ac ran for 2 hours straight at our Fort Worth Greatest Hobby show. Now I need to switch it back for full Locomatic Sound. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale   ALL of the jigs for bending wire were not included... Don On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Mel, > > To sum up a e-mail from Don Thompson (Old SHS). He said They have most of the molds in house. They MTH are in the process of inspecting these molds for wear. Some of the jigs for making grab irons were not included. Time will tell. Like you said, And I'm going to say again. Guys get out your best chair, fluff up the cussion, park your Butt it it and wait for the official word from MTH. Don said it will take more time than we are allowing. > Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: "clipper841@...841@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale > > > > firstly, in regards to the statement by richs009, in regards to osw > 2013 convention, > "that there were a couple of shs/am dealers, who said that mth was > completely > non responsive", this statement is misleading and ambiguous to say > the least, > there was only one shs/am dealer at the show, and i believe his > statement was > taken out of context, as no responsible dealer is going to shoot > himself in the > foot, so to speak, this is another example of irresponsible posting, > that is going > to do more damage then good, this rush to judgement or condemnation, > is going to be our death knell, if we can't control ourselves, this > type of irresponsible > posting is more indicative of our sister site's postings, and if mike > wolf is reading > this site, i'm sure he is wondering WTF, so for those of you, who > can't simply control > yourselves, may i offer some advice/suggestions > 1) turn off your computer, go for a walk around the block, or try > something > constructive, like modeling > 2) start an argument with your wife, and see what she tells you to do > with yourself > 3) go into the kitchen, and open the oven door, and blow out the > pilot light, and > then wait a few minutes, then stick your head into the oven and > light a match to > see where the hissing sound is coming from > in other words, shut TFU > mel perry > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:31 AM, UNLV666@... wrote: > > > At the Springfield MA train show 1/26&27/2013, an MTH spokesman > > said that > > the company now has in place all the tooling from S-Helper. > > However, the > > company is in the process of reworking the electronics to comport > > with MTH > > designs. Consequently, the first product release will not be until > > after > > Labor Day 2013. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/31/2013 12:28:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > richs009@... writes: > > > > At the O-Scale West 2013 'convention' last weekend (where there is an > > S-scale presence), I asked a couple of the SHS/American Models > > dealers if they > > knew anything about MTH's timeline. They basically said that MTH was > > completely non-responsive - so they weren't feeling very warm and > > fuzzy about > > what MTH was going to do... > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > > "Louis" wrote: > > > > > > Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their > > first s > > gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin > > Martinez. > > > Lou Baldi > > > > > > > > > Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your > > interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information > > on our upcoming > > S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please > > watch the > > MTH website for the latest information. > > > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kirstin Martinez > > > > > > MTH Electric Trains > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (19) ________________________________________________________________________ 1f. Re: MTH - S Scale Posted by: Paul4Schil@... kensington3121 Date: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:31 pm ((PST)) I found this potentially interesting link: http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/9173459967184536/filePointer/9173459967184555/fodoid/9173459967184551/imageType/LARGE/inlineImage/true/MTH%2520Flyer%25201.JPG Paul Schilling -----Original Message----- From: Louis <lou342ac@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 31, 2013 8:34 am Subject: [S-Trains] MTH - S Scale Sent an e-mail to MTH inquiring as to when they will issue their first s gauge catalog. Below is the reply I just received from Kirstin Martinez. Lou Baldi Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains. We appreciate your interest in our products. MTH will be announcing more information on our upcoming S gauge line and our first offerings in the next month. Please watch the MTH website for the latest information. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Kirstin Martinez MTH Electric Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (19) ________________________________________________________________________ 1g. Re: MTH - S Scale Posted by: "Dr Trains" dtrains@... dtrains@... Date: Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:44 am ((PST)) Hi all, it occurred to me that positive thinking & positive action creates positive results. So here is my five cents worth: How many of us have written/emailed Mike Wolf and thanked him for his interest in S, his purchase of SHS and welcomed him into our midst? Further stating how we all admire his products in Std. Gauge, O, HO, and soon to be S.  (He started off doing repairs and then reproductions of pre-war trains, then graduated to producing an immense variety of high quality items, that DO preform out of the box, as witnessed by many Std /O enthusiasts whom I have had the pleasure of meeting over the years. In contrast to Lionel mechanical/ electronic problems on brand new products in S and also O.) We might also offer a hand to help with any S related research/development/ product ideas and suggestions as to what might be most needed in S (for example flex track, larger radius curved track ,above 29", and #5/#6 switches...Fill in your thoughts and ideas. Incude email/ phone contact and times to call etc. In Closing once again state how grand it is to have one of the premier quality manufactures and promoters of model/toy train products in the world. (Which Mikes Train House is). Do your own words/use mine with modifications editing to suit you/ or copy... I really am only interested in promoting the amazing group of modelers in AF/high rail-Scale and Sn42-36-30-24??? etc. And to be heard in a positive reenforcing way...after all, those who see that their efforts are valued, respected and appreciated, WILL pay attention. We are indeed very fortunate to have MTH involved in S and HE WILL give Lionel a run for their money! I wish all of us S nuts well as we can only benefit in the long run. S-gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb ...Involved in S and all railroading since childhood, former S manufacturer, and model railroad hobby shop owner. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (19) ________________________________________________________________________ 1h. Re: MTH - S Scale Posted by: "Donald Keil" dlkeil@... dlkeil Date: Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:39 am ((PST)) Dr Train Very well put and it was interesting reading a positive action plan Don Keil ________________________________ From: Dr Trains <dtrains@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH - S Scale   Hi all, it occurred to me that positive thinking & positive action creates positive results. So here is my five cents worth: How many of us have written/emailed Mike Wolf and thanked him for his interest in S, his purchase of SHS and welcomed him into our midst? Further stating how we all admire his products in Std. Gauge, O, HO, and soon to be S.  (He started off doing repairs and then reproductions of pre-war trains, then graduated to producing an immense variety of high quality items, that DO preform out of the box, as witnessed by many Std /O enthusiasts whom I have had the pleasure of meeting over the years. In contrast to Lionel mechanical/ electronic problems on brand new products in S and also O.) We might also offer a hand to help with any S related research/development/ product ideas and suggestions as to what might be most needed in S (for example flex track, larger radius curved track ,above 29", and #5/#6 switches...Fill in your thoughts and ideas. Incude email/ phone contact and times to call etc. In Closing once again state how grand it is to have one of the premier quality manufactures and promoters of model/toy train products in the world. (Which Mikes Train House is). Do your own words/use mine with modifications editing to suit you/ or copy... I really am only interested in promoting the amazing group of modelers in AF/high rail-Scale and Sn42-36-30-24??? etc. And to be heard in a positive reenforcing way...after all, those who see that their efforts are valued, respected and appreciated, WILL pay attention. We are indeed very fortunate to have MTH involved in S and HE WILL give Lionel a run for their money! I wish all of us S nuts well as we can only benefit in the long run. S-gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb ...Involved in S and all railroading since childhood, former S manufacturer, and model railroad hobby shop owner. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (19) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. apologies to all and to MTH Posted by: "Rich" richs009@... richs009 Date: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:31 pm ((PST)) Folks - I had not meant to cast aspersions on MTH - though in looking back at my earlier post, I did. I apologize. I've certainly admired some of their O gauge offerings that I've seen at train shows and like many of you, I look forward to seeing what they produce for S gauge. I fully realize that it takes time to gear up for a new product line, even when acquiring most of the production materials from SHS (whose products I've both admired and acquired...). So to paraphrase the 'don't believe everything you think' bumper sticker, one shouldn't type everything you think either (especially when it doesn't come out right). - Rich Messages in this topic (1) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 3a. Re: MTH S scale Posted by: "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... mrstumpy50 Date: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:08 pm ((PST)) Drop the throttle out of run eight and apply the train brake guys! No use getting excited or in a hurry, especially if you have already happily waited as long as you did for most Flyonel products! Barking and growling and foaming at the mouth isn't the way to do this. Patience is a virtue and anything good is worth waiting for. Stumpy in Ahia Messages in this topic (5) ________________________________________________________________________ 3b. Re: MTH S scale Posted by: "Alan Lambert" alanlambert64@... alanlambert64 Date: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:26 pm ((PST)) From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Stumpy, Sounds like they are sitting on nail cussion and got that uncontroleable itch for some new sydrom. Best med is to wait and let them make sure all of the molds are up to their standards before they make something that breaks as soon as they buy it. It takes time to inspect all of the molds, and then begin production. I'm Laid back and waiting good  to happen. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MTH S scale   Drop the throttle out of run eight and apply the train brake guys! No use getting excited or in a hurry, especially if you have already happily waited as long as you did for most Flyonel products! Barking and growling and foaming at the mouth isn't the way to do this. Patience is a virtue and anything good is worth waiting for. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (5) ________________________________________________________________________ 3c. Re: MTH S scale Posted by: "Herbert" hwass@... herbw202 Date: Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:43 am ((PST)) If they rushed into production ASAP and there were quality issues, the same people would be complaining about that. Better to wait a bit longer and get a a better quality product. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >   Fort Worth, Texas > > Stumpy, > > Sounds like they are sitting on nail cussion and got that uncontroleable itch for some new sydrom. Best med is to wait and let them make sure all of the molds are up to their standards before they make something that breaks as soon as they buy it. It takes time to inspect all of the molds, and then begin production. I'm Laid back and waiting good  to happen. >   Alan Lambert > > > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MTH S scale > > >   > Drop the throttle out of run eight and apply the train brake guys! No use getting excited or in a hurry, especially if you have already happily waited as long as you did for most Flyonel products! > > Barking and growling and foaming at the mouth isn't the way to do this. Patience is a virtue and anything good is worth waiting for. > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Messages in this topic (5) ________________________________________________________________________ 3d. Re: MTH S scale Posted by: "Alan Lambert" alanlambert64@... alanlambert64 Date: Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:39 am ((PST)) From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Herb, That is the spirit I like . We all need to do the same And go run trains.My chair is waiting for me. I can wait for as long as it takes MTH . � Alan Lambert   Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: Herbert To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 3:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH S scale   If they rushed into production ASAP and there were quality issues, the same people would be complaining about that. Better to wait a bit longer and get a a better quality product. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >   Fort Worth, Texas > > Stumpy, > > Sounds like they are sitting on nail cussion and got that uncontroleable itch for some new sydrom. Best med is to wait and let them make sure all of the molds are up to their standards before they make something that breaks as soon as they buy it. It takes time to inspect all of the molds, and then begin production. I'm Laid back and waiting good  to happen. >   Alan Lambert > > > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MTH S scale > > >   > Drop the throttle out of run eight and apply the train brake guys! No use getting excited or in a hurry, especially if you have already happily waited as long as you did for most Flyonel products! > > Barking and growling and foaming at the mouth isn't the way to do this. Patience is a virtue and anything good is worth waiting for. > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (5) ________________________________________________________________________ 3e. Re: MTH S scale Posted by: "Frank" femiro2002@... femiro2002 Date: Fri Feb 1, 2013 10:11 am ((PST)) Mike will do it right as he has done in the past. He learns from mistakes and makes great products. I think MTH will really bring S to a higher level in the model scale train market. Time will tell. Frank On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Herb, > That is the spirit I like . We all need to do the same And go run trains.My chair is waiting for me. I can wait for as long as it takes MTH . > Alan Lambert > >  > Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: Herbert > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 3:40 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH S scale > > >  > If they rushed into production ASAP and there were quality issues, > the same people would be complaining about that. Better to wait a bit longer and get a a better quality product. > Herb Wasserman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert wrote: > > > > From: Alan Lambert > >  Fort Worth, Texas > > > > Stumpy, > > > > Sounds like they are sitting on nail cussion and got that uncontroleable itch for some new sydrom. Best med is to wait and let them make sure all of the molds are up to their standards before they make something that breaks as soon as they buy it. It takes time to inspect all of the molds, and then begin production. I'm Laid back and waiting good to happen. > >  Alan Lambert > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: mrstumpy50 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:54 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: MTH S scale > > > > > >  > > Drop the throttle out of run eight and apply the train brake guys! No use getting excited or in a hurry, especially if you have already happily waited as long as you did for most Flyonel products! > > > > Barking and growling and foaming at the mouth isn't the way to do this. Patience is a virtue and anything good is worth waiting for. > > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (5) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 4. AM switches??? Posted by: "dtrains@..." dtrains@... dtrains@... Date: Fri Feb 1, 2013 7:16 am ((PST)) Any opinions on AM switches adaptability to running scale and AF style wheels/flanges on and thru their switches and crossings, as I use both. The track section on AM site say slight modification is necessary??? no mention as to what that is, and how it would affect running both scale and high-rail stuff. Another question , just what is the frog angle equivalent to??? could figure it out myself, but do not have any AM switches to measure. I like the switches that Tom Stoltz makes...they work fine with either due to his ingenious invention at frog, that allows both scale and high-rail to transition switches. Thanks, Peter Messages in this topic (1) Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ <*> Your email settings: Digest Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/join (Yahoo! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71426	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

If you guys use Facebook, please go to my page , Anormal1 Smoke Fluid & like it. On my page I will be letting everyone know about new products & will post here also. Thank You , Mike PS: I will be coming out with an Unscented & Non Toxic formula, along with Cedar & Balsam Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71427	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

From: Alan Lambert   Fort Worth, Texas Michael, I'm on it. Thanks for the link. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: FACEBOOK   If you guys use Facebook, please go to my page , Anormal1 Smoke Fluid & like it. On my page I will be letting everyone know about new products & will post here also. Thank You , Mike PS: I will be coming out with an Unscented & Non Toxic formula, along with Cedar & Balsam Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71428	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

SOME OF US refuse to get into this Face book crap. Alan Smith On 2/1/13 9:28 PM, "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> wrote: > > > > > > If you guys use Facebook, please go to my page , Anormal1 Smoke Fluid & > like it. > On my page I will be letting everyone know about new products & will post > here also. Thank You , Mike > PS: I will be coming out with an Unscented & Non Toxic formula, along with > Cedar & Balsam > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71429	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Alan, I guess you and everyone else will  miss out on his Facebook only deals. Sometimes it pays to be on it. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: Alan Smith To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: FACEBOOK   SOME OF US refuse to get into this Face book crap. Alan Smith On 2/1/13 9:28 PM, "anormal1@..." anormal1@...> wrote: > > > > > > If you guys use Facebook, please go to my page , Anormal1 Smoke Fluid & > like it. > On my page I will be letting everyone know about new products & will post > here also. Thank You , Mike > PS: I will be coming out with an Unscented & Non Toxic formula, along with > Cedar & Balsam > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71430	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/1/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

No biggie, it's not like it's a 2 or 3 rail. As I said or asked "If you guys use it".... It's just another form of information sharing. I refuse to use a cell phone.... No one is the wiser, In a message dated 2/1/2013 6:51:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, alansmith@... writes: SOME OF US refuse to get into this Face book crap. Alan Smith On 2/1/13 9:28 PM, "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote: > > > > > > If you guys use Facebook, please go to my page , Anormal1 Smoke Fluid & > like it. > On my page I will be letting everyone know about new products & will post > here also. Thank You , Mike > PS: I will be coming out with an Unscented & Non Toxic formula, along with > Cedar & Balsam > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71431	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

Oh how I wish I could go back to 1955 and the technology therein, but I need all that stuff for my Business. Your mileage may differ :) Roy Inman From: Mike Strickland <anormal1@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:40:10 -0500 (EST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: FACEBOOK No biggie, it's not like it's a 2 or 3 rail. As I said or asked "If you guys use it".... It's just another form of information sharing. I refuse to use a cell phone.... No one is the wiser, In a message dated 2/1/2013 6:51:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, alansmith@... <mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net> writes: SOME OF US refuse to get into this Face book crap. Alan Smith On 2/1/13 9:28 PM, "_anormal1@... <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com> _ (mailto:anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> ) " _anormal1@... <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com> _ (mailto:anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> ) > wrote: > > > > > > If you guys use Facebook, please go to my page , Anormal1 Smoke Fluid & > like it. > On my page I will be letting everyone know about new products & will post > here also. Thank You , Mike > PS: I will be coming out with an Unscented & Non Toxic formula, along with > Cedar & Balsam > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71432	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

Done... Mark in Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > If you guys use Facebook, please go to my page , Anormal1 Smoke Fluid & > like it. > On my page I will be letting everyone know about new products & will post > here also. Thank You , Mike > PS: I will be coming out with an Unscented & Non Toxic formula, along with > Cedar & Balsam > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71433	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

In Florida, there are not too many train shows - maybe 1 each month for most months - and they are widely distributed around the State. Having Facebook notifications on my phone to learn of them and map applications to help me navigate makes the combination a big plus when I am going to places strange to me. It is just another tool for my hobby enjoyment. Happily, people who prefer not to know, not to go or who are happy with paper need not use the new technology. Its like freedom of choice. Bill - I Never Met a Train I don't Like Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 2/1/2013 10:40 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > No biggie, it's not like it's a 2 or 3 rail. As I said or asked "If you > guys use it".... It's just another form of information sharing. > I refuse to use a cell phone.... No one is the wiser, > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71434	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

Dear Roy, When Robin and I were in Japan this past fall the only way I could keep up with the family and friends regarding Sandy was though Facebook. I knew more of what was going on than the people living there... Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71435	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

From: Alan Lambert          Fort Worth, Texas Don, One of the advantages of Facebook.     Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: FACEBOOK   Dear Roy, When Robin and I were in Japan this past fall the only way I could keep up with the family and friends regarding Sandy was though Facebook. I knew more of what was going on than the people living there... Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71436	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: FACEBOOK

I'm in.   ...also, there are a couple of AF groups on facebook as well Neil in Oregon --- On Sat, 2/2/13, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: FACEBOOK To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 2, 2013, 2:28 AM   If you guys use Facebook, please go to my page , Anormal1 Smoke Fluid & like it. On my page I will be letting everyone know about new products & will post here also. Thank You , Mike PS: I will be coming out with an Unscented & Non Toxic formula, along with Cedar & Balsam Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71437	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Guide to Industries Series: Livestock & Meatpacking

Lots of good info on how the business worked, and on how they used not only stockcars and reefers, but box and tank cars.. http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Industries-Series-Livestock-Meatpacking/dp/0890248672/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359836649&sr=8-1&keywords=livestock+and+meatpacking Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71438	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/3/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 3, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71439	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells

He’s on his third “go around” with these. I don’t think he’ll get any bites with that starting price, even if they are authentic factory unfinished shells or mistakes. Bruce From: srgriggs Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells I saw an interesting auction on eBay--10 Alco shells with pristine plating supposedly bought from a person in 1985 whose father worked at the A.C. Gilbert Co. The shells appear to be pulled from the production process before completion of decoration. Since they are chrome and the A unit shells have the coupler cutout, they look to be from 1953 or 54. They look to be blemishes or factory mistakes that were pulled from production. The Silver Flash B-units have the incorrect color yellow in the stripe, and the A-unit shells look like they are warped above the trucks. Think they're authentic? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400398780887&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en Even if they are, I don't think factory blemished shells would be worth what they are asking for them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71440	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

Tom, I had to chuckle at that line, but then I realized that I sure wish I had Stumpy’s skills. It’s the guys with no skills, like myself, that buy from entrepreneurs like yourself. And, believe me, I’m glad guys like you are around or I (and most others like me) would be SOL. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About makin' parts Hi Stumpy, I can ship 'em faster than you can make em. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] About makin' parts Folks, I do not want to give the impression that I would not support the parts people, far from it! I've spend a lot of money with suppliers of all kinds over the past fifty plus years! But there are times when you want to get a project completed or something up and running, even if only for test purposes, and don't want to wait for a part. We are quite fortunate in S gauge trains (as are the O 3-rail guys) that there ARE parts available. In most of the other hobbies I'm in, "you're on your own" for parts! I have made my own stuff for so long, I'm just in the habit of doing so. Of course, nothing I build will ever be mistaken for collector grade. It just runs well and looks unique. :-) Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71441	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert Rocket Alco engines and 3 cars

These are from an absolutely beautiful American Flyer set #5570H, the Rocket Passenger set with green striped carsmade in 1955.  Make offer on one piece or all. All lights and knuckle couplers work, all skirts and ladders are intact, the paint and lettering are excellent, and there are no broken parts or rust. I cleaned all the wheels. The power unit has been cleaned and lubricated; it runs well. The reversing unit may need cleaning because it sometimes it fails to move in the forward position; reverse is reliable. I suspect there's a dirty spot on the drum that needs to be cleaned. The decals are near perfect and lettering strong. The light works. The decorative horns on top are missing and I don't have any on hand. The horn in the dummy unit works well, and the decorative ones on top are present and in excellent condition. The decals are near perfect; the stamped lettering on one side is somewhat faded, though still easily readable. The coach, Vista dome, and observation cars are all in C-7 condition; I don't have the combination car. The antenna on top of the observation car is free of rust and straight as an arrow. There is no crack below the drumhead.   If you're interested, I have all the accessories that came in the original set: 12 #702 curved track, 8 #700 straight track, #706 Remote Control Uncoupler, #708 Air Chime Whistle Control, #690 Track Terminal, and 20 #693 Track Locks.  The set was sold without a transformer, but I have several available that you can choose from. Sorry, no boxes or paperwork. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71442	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: 322 AC

I purchase a 322 AC today and it is missing its link coupler, which one would be the correct one to replace it with? the brass or plastic weight are the link without any weight??? my puter been repaired haveing to take it twice to the shop for a virus and it destroyed a memory card tks Jim Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71443	From: Peter	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Any Ideas on Removing Paint Overspray from Plastic

I'm trying to rescue an AF Sawmill that has some paint and some paint spattering on parts of the plastic base which has "wood grain" finish in the plastic. I've tried for soapy water soak and brush, but that hasn't worked. I read that PineSol in hot water bath might work; I'll try that tomorrow. Appreciate any advice. Thanks, sanpedroflyer Pete Junger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71444	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/2/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

Thanks Bruce,                 Tom   ________________________________ From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About makin' parts   Tom, I had to chuckle at that line, but then I realized that I sure wish I had Stumpy’s skills. It’s the guys with no skills, like myself, that buy from entrepreneurs like yourself. And, believe me, I’m glad guys like you are around or I (and most others like me) would be SOL. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About makin' parts Hi Stumpy, I can ship 'em faster than you can make em. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] About makin' parts Folks, I do not want to give the impression that I would not support the parts people, far from it! I've spend a lot of money with suppliers of all kinds over the past fifty plus years! But there are times when you want to get a project completed or something up and running, even if only for test purposes, and don't want to wait for a part. We are quite fortunate in S gauge trains (as are the O 3-rail guys) that there ARE parts available. In most of the other hobbies I'm in, "you're on your own" for parts! I have made my own stuff for so long, I'm just in the habit of doing so. Of course, nothing I build will ever be mistaken for collector grade. It just runs well and looks unique. :-) Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71445	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: 322 AC

Link coupler with black weight is correct for the 322AC, made from 1949-1951. Rule of thumb: 1946 – link coupler with thin shank, no weight. 1947 – link coupler with thick shank, no weight. 1948 – link coupler with brass weight. 1949-1952 – link coupler with black weight. Bruce From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 8:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 322 AC I purchase a 322 AC today and it is missing its link coupler, which one would be the correct one to replace it with? the brass or plastic weight are the link without any weight??? my puter been repaired haveing to take it twice to the shop for a virus and it destroyed a memory card tks Jim Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71446	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: 322 AC

Hi Jim, � The correct link coupler would be XA10469 Link Coupler with black weight. XA10469 with brass weight would be correct for 1948 322. PA10469 Link Coupler without weight would be correct for 1947 322 Smoke in Tender. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 322 AC   I purchase a 322 AC today and it is missing its link coupler, which one would be the correct one to replace it with? the brass or plastic weight are the link without any weight??? my puter been repaired haveing to take it twice to the shop for a virus and it destroyed a memory card tks Jim Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71447	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

Well folks, let me (for the third time in this line of discussion) say that I have nothing against buying repro parts to fix old trains. I probably buy as much stuff as anyone to rebuild junkers and bash them. However, there are often reasons to make your own stuff, and such should not be overlooked either. After all, who makes the patterns for all those reproduction parts? Someone who can make their own bits and pieces and sees the need to manufacture! Why is it that so many things that come up on this list have to be an either/or situation? Is there no tolerance for doing things a different way? Must we all be stifled by lack of imagination and intelligence? Is this Congress? Folks, this is supposed to be a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to bring enjoyment to those in them. There is no right or wrong way to go about it. But for some reason, there is always someone on S Trains who wants to stir something up. I've been a target for a long time because I'm creative and speak my mind, and I'm tired of it! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71448	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: Any Ideas on Removing Paint Overspray from Plastic

Pine Sol will remove paint but also will attack some plastics. When stripping paint from old Flyer shells I use Super Clean degreaser. It's purple colored and found at auto parts stores , K Mart or Walmart. Bob Hendrickson Sent from my iPod On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:57 PM, "Peter" <jungerpg@...> wrote: > I'm trying to rescue an AF Sawmill that has some paint and some paint spattering on parts of the plastic base which has "wood grain" finish in the plastic. > > I've tried for soapy water soak and brush, but that hasn't worked. I read that PineSol in hot water bath might work; I'll try that tomorrow. > > Appreciate any advice. > > Thanks, > > sanpedroflyer > Pete Junger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71449	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/3/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 3, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71450	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting eBay auction--Alco shells

Hey guys, These shells are easy to replate. A friend of mine replated a number of them back in the 90's. Once the Silver Bullet was decaled, you couldn't tell it from an original. He never tried to pass any of them off as originals, but I often wondered if anyone he sold them to ever tried. Let the buyer beware! George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71451	From: rick gough	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

Stumpy, I think you are flying off the handle here as I see nothing but respect and even admiration for you and your approach to modeling. Personally I prefer well done custom ACG locomotives and my feeling is that ACG would've appreciated them also. Now, the US House Of  "Representatives"; that is a whole different bizarre ball of wax!   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 9:31 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: About makin' parts ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   Well folks, let me (for the third time in this line of discussion) say that I have nothing against buying repro parts to fix old trains. I probably buy as much stuff as anyone to rebuild junkers and bash them. However, there are often reasons to make your own stuff, and such should not be overlooked either. After all, who makes the patterns for all those reproduction parts? Someone who can make their own bits and pieces and sees the need to manufacture! Why is it that so many things that come up on this list have to be an either/or situation? Is there no tolerance for doing things a different way? Must we all be stifled by lack of imagination and intelligence? Is this Congress? Folks, this is supposed to be a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to bring enjoyment to those in them. There is no right or wrong way to go about it. But for some reason, there is always someone on S Trains who wants to stir something up. I've been a target for a long time because I'm creative and speak my mind, and I'm tired of it! Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71452	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

On 2/3/2013 9:21 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > However, there are often reasons to make your own stuff, and such should > not be overlooked either. After all, who makes the patterns for all > those reproduction parts? Someone who can make their own bits and pieces > and sees the need to manufacture! I agree totally. I have another hobby of restoring old drive-in theater speakers and junction boxes. All but one of the original companies are gone and that one is leaving soon. Many of the parts are just plain made of unobtanium unless you get lucky on eBay. I've made things like aluminum wire baskets, terminal boards, plastic diffuser rings, metal brackets, even jigs to machine generic volume control shafts to the proper shape. Yes, I sell many of these parts but since it is just a hobby, I probably make about 50 cents an hour for my labor. You never really appreciate the value of being able to get a part until you have had to spend a ton of time trying to fabricate one. George Cohn http://www.driveinmemories.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71453	From: Jerry	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

Stumpy, Has someone been sending you things "off list" that have irritated you? I haven't seen anything on-list that calls you out. Those who know your work and philosphy of modeling totally understand and appreciate what you do. I not, then they just don't get the whole idea of a hobby. Don't let any meathead throw you off. As you, and many others on this list know, I too like to modify and bash junkers. I also like to scratch build unique things, most of the time in the spirit of good 'ol A.C. himself. Keep on doing what pleases you, and when something comes along that yanks your chain, do what I try to do.... just consider the source. ;>) Jerry (Watching the sn*w come down and hibernating in the basement in Wayne, MI) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" wrote: > > Well folks, let me (for the third time in this line of discussion) say that I have nothing against buying repro parts to fix old trains. I probably buy as much stuff as anyone to rebuild junkers and bash them. > > However, there are often reasons to make your own stuff, and such should not be overlooked either. After all, who makes the patterns for all those reproduction parts? Someone who can make their own bits and pieces and sees the need to manufacture! > > Why is it that so many things that come up on this list have to be an either/or situation? Is there no tolerance for doing things a different way? Must we all be stifled by lack of imagination and intelligence? Is this Congress? > > Folks, this is supposed to be a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to bring enjoyment to those in them. There is no right or wrong way to go about it. But for some reason, there is always someone on S Trains who wants to stir something up. I've been a target for a long time because I'm creative and speak my mind, and I'm tired of it! > > Stumpy in Ahia > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71454	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Seeking Stumpy Stone

Would Stumpy please e-mail me? (Lost your e-mail addy). Thanks. - Alan Evans - Gahanna, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71455	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: Sad News

Clay, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your father. Bruce From: Clay Buckage Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:41 AM To: Clay Buckage Subject: [S-Trains] Sad News I'm sorry to have to report that Dad passed away suddenly and unrelated to his illness. Some you may have never met him but I know he touched many of you in his own special way. Visitation is from 2-4 pm on Wednesday at the Becker Funeral Home, 219 Kinderkamack Road in Westwood, NJ, with funeral services on Thursday morning at 10 am. He will be buried in George Washington Memorial Park in Paramus, NJ. You can get more info at the funeral home website. If you have a repair or parts order with us it may be delayed about a week or possibly a bit longer. Thanks for understanding, -Clay [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71456	From: doerryn	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power

I did some experimenting with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit today. A potential issue with using the E-unit on DC voltage is that the solenoid has about a 42-45 ohm impedance at AC and only a 18-27 DC resistance (range is due to the impact of temperature). Hence an E-unit on DC voltage will draw more current and generate more heat. In fact at full throttle on DC, I could smell insulation burning and could see a few wisps of smoke. Here's the data I collected .... E-unit on AC .39 amps at 16.7 volts AC (42.4 ohm impedance) .32 amps at 14 volts AC (43.9 ohm impedance) .25 amps at 11.1 volts AC (44.8 ohm impedance) The impedance is due to inductance of the coil and the coil resistance. the reduction in impedance as current goes up is probably due to magnetic saturation of the core decreasing the inductance faster than the resistance is increasing due to temperature. I measured the DC coil resistance as 18 ohms cold and 26 ohms when hot using a digital ohm meter. E-units on DC .70 amps at 19.2 volts DC (27 ohms) smell burning .56 amps at 12.6 volts DC (22.5 ohms) Note, resistance increases as the temperature increases, although I am some what surprised by the ~50% change in resistance between the cold and hot temperatures. Note that when you rectify an AC waveform, then use a capacitor to filter out the ripple, the DC voltage is about 1.4 times the AC voltage minus about 1.5 volts. Hence a normal American Flyer transformer that is rectified will produce up to 21 volts DC at full throttle (but no load -- the AC and DC voltage will go down as the load increases due to the impedance in the transformer windings). Bottom line is that it probably isn't a great idea to use an engine with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit on a track supplying DC voltage. Has anyone had problems operating such an engine on DC track power? Have a great day, Norbert Burke, VA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71457	From: Timboy	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

Stumpy, You're back! Oh, how I've missed you! -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" wrote: > > Well folks, let me (for the third time in this line of discussion) say that I have nothing against buying repro parts to fix old trains. I probably buy as much stuff as anyone to rebuild junkers and bash them. > > However, there are often reasons to make your own stuff, and such should not be overlooked either. After all, who makes the patterns for all those reproduction parts? Someone who can make their own bits and pieces and sees the need to manufacture! > > Why is it that so many things that come up on this list have to be an either/or situation? Is there no tolerance for doing things a different way? Must we all be stifled by lack of imagination and intelligence? Is this Congress? > > Folks, this is supposed to be a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to bring enjoyment to those in them. There is no right or wrong way to go about it. But for some reason, there is always someone on S Trains who wants to stir something up. I've been a target for a long time because I'm creative and speak my mind, and I'm tired of it! > > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71458	From: Timboy	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

Stumpy, You're back! Oh, how I've missed you! -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" wrote: > > Well folks, let me (for the third time in this line of discussion) say that I have nothing against buying repro parts to fix old trains. I probably buy as much stuff as anyone to rebuild junkers and bash them. > > However, there are often reasons to make your own stuff, and such should not be overlooked either. After all, who makes the patterns for all those reproduction parts? Someone who can make their own bits and pieces and sees the need to manufacture! > > Why is it that so many things that come up on this list have to be an either/or situation? Is there no tolerance for doing things a different way? Must we all be stifled by lack of imagination and intelligence? Is this Congress? > > Folks, this is supposed to be a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to bring enjoyment to those in them. There is no right or wrong way to go about it. But for some reason, there is always someone on S Trains who wants to stir something up. I've been a target for a long time because I'm creative and speak my mind, and I'm tired of it! > > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71459	From: Timboy	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: About makin' parts

So nice, it got posted twice. :) :) :) :) -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" wrote: > > Stumpy, > > You're back! Oh, how I've missed you! > > -Tim > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" wrote: > > > > Well folks, let me (for the third time in this line of discussion) say that I have nothing against buying repro parts to fix old trains. I probably buy as much stuff as anyone to rebuild junkers and bash them. > > > > However, there are often reasons to make your own stuff, and such should not be overlooked either. After all, who makes the patterns for all those reproduction parts? Someone who can make their own bits and pieces and sees the need to manufacture! > > > > Why is it that so many things that come up on this list have to be an either/or situation? Is there no tolerance for doing things a different way? Must we all be stifled by lack of imagination and intelligence? Is this Congress? > > > > Folks, this is supposed to be a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to bring enjoyment to those in them. There is no right or wrong way to go about it. But for some reason, there is always someone on S Trains who wants to stir something up. I've been a target for a long time because I'm creative and speak my mind, and I'm tired of it! > > > > Stumpy in Ahia > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71460	From: Al	Date: 2/3/2013
Subject: Re: Any Ideas on Removing Paint Overspray from Plastic

WARNING      WARNING            WARNING                   WARNING                          WARNING DO NOT USE PINESOL FOR ANY REASON PINESOL CAN DISOLVE AND LEAVE A PITTED SURFACE ON YOUR PLASTIC. I HAVE A B UNIT THAT I USED PINESOL ON SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO REMOVE SOME PAINT AND THE RESULT WAS THE PAINT WAS GONE BUT THE PINESOL LEFT A PITTED SURFACE  THAT CANNOT BE REPAIRED. Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71461	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Makin' Parts

To paraphrase Mark Twain; "Concerns for my demise have been greatly exaggerated." I've been dealing with some serious family medical and financial problems recently, and certain e-mails I've received about "Makin' Parts" have had me wishing I could reach through the Internet and strangle some miniature minded folks. But alas, my arms are not nearly that long and thin. Beside that, I certainly don't have time to deal with these people while running back and forth to the hospital. (This is also why the latest installment of "Project Atlantic" on myflertrains.org has been delayed, but should be up soon.) For those of you who found a recent posting of mine a bit nasty, please excuse me for that. I don't do stress well, which is why I am in various hobbies. When a hobby gives me stress too, I tend to become somewhat aggravated. You see, I HAVE to deal with money and medical disasters, but I DON'T have to do the hobby. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71462	From: David	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: NEW Scenery Products Arriving Mid February (Advertising)

Looks like we will be handling a NEW LINE of model scenery products from a NEW and up coming manfacturer "BRUMMY'S Landscape Express" of Barberton, Ohio. These NEW PRODUCTS will be at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page06.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page06.html> so please keep this page book marked. Dave At LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71463	From: rhicks308	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" wrote: > (snip) > Note that when you rectify an AC waveform, then use a capacitor to filter out the ripple, the DC voltage is about 1.4 times the AC voltage minus about 1.5 volts. Hence a normal American Flyer transformer that is rectified will produce up to 21 volts DC at full throttle (but no load -- the AC and DC voltage will go down as the load increases due to the impedance in the transformer windings). > > Bottom line is that it probably isn't a great idea to use an engine with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit on a track supplying DC voltage. Has anyone had problems operating such an engine on DC track power? > > Have a great day, > > Norbert > Burke, VA > No, I use DC power all the time on unmodified AC engines without problems in the reversers. The main thing is that I see no reason for using a cap to smooth out the ripple. With just a straight bridge rectifier, the RMS power will be the same as before (minus small losses in the bridge). And if you're putting 21V to the motor, it's bound to overheat also, isn't it? By the way, when did they start referring to reversers as E-units? I don't remember seeing that in any documentation. Parts lists always refer to it as the Remote Control unit. What does E stand for? Randall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71464	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power

DC has not given me trouble with AC locomotives. I've never smoked a reverse relay. "E-unit" sounds suspiciously like Lionel nomenclature to me. --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rhicks308" wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" wrote: > > (snip) > > Note that when you rectify an AC waveform, then use a capacitor to filter out the ripple, the DC voltage is about 1.4 times the AC voltage minus about 1.5 volts. Hence a normal American Flyer transformer that is rectified will produce up to 21 volts DC at full throttle (but no load -- the AC and DC voltage will go down as the load increases due to the impedance in the transformer windings). > > > > Bottom line is that it probably isn't a great idea to use an engine with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit on a track supplying DC voltage. Has anyone had problems operating such an engine on DC track power? > > > > Have a great day, > > > > Norbert > > Burke, VA > > > > No, I use DC power all the time on unmodified AC engines without problems in the reversers. The main thing is that I see no reason for using a cap to smooth out the ripple. With just a straight bridge rectifier, the RMS power will be the same as before (minus small losses in the bridge). And if you're putting 21V to the motor, it's bound to overheat also, isn't it? > > By the way, when did they start referring to reversers as E-units? I don't remember seeing that in any documentation. Parts lists always refer to it as the Remote Control unit. What does E stand for? > > Randall >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71465	From: Timboy	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Makin' Parts

Stumpy, Don't let the ones who frown on kit-bashing Flyer or frown on your articles that show us how to make parts get to you. Their opinions are no more valid than yours. Keep up the great work. It's inspiring. -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" wrote: > > To paraphrase Mark Twain; "Concerns for my demise have been greatly exaggerated." I've been dealing with some serious family medical and financial problems recently, and certain e-mails I've received about "Makin' Parts" have had me wishing I could reach through the Internet and strangle some miniature minded folks. > > But alas, my arms are not nearly that long and thin. Beside that, I certainly don't have time to deal with these people while running back and forth to the hospital. (This is also why the latest installment of "Project Atlantic" on myflertrains.org has been delayed, but should be up soon.) > > For those of you who found a recent posting of mine a bit nasty, please excuse me for that. I don't do stress well, which is why I am in various hobbies. When a hobby gives me stress too, I tend to become somewhat aggravated. You see, I HAVE to deal with money and medical disasters, but I DON'T have to do the hobby. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71466	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Makin' Parts

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Stumpy, They are all green with envy that you do what you do and they lack all of the skills you posses. Keep up what yo do .I keep up with it. � alan Lambert ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: re: Makin' Parts   To paraphrase Mark Twain; "Concerns for my demise have been greatly exaggerated." I've been dealing with some serious family medical and financial problems recently, and certain e-mails I've received about "Makin' Parts" have had me wishing I could reach through the Internet and strangle some miniature minded folks. But alas, my arms are not nearly that long and thin. Beside that, I certainly don't have time to deal with these people while running back and forth to the hospital. (This is also why the latest installment of "Project Atlantic" on myflertrains.org has been delayed, but should be up soon.) For those of you who found a recent posting of mine a bit nasty, please excuse me for that. I don't do stress well, which is why I am in various hobbies. When a hobby gives me stress too, I tend to become somewhat aggravated. You see, I HAVE to deal with money and medical disasters, but I DON'T have to do the hobby. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71467	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Fwd: [ChattanoogaRails] Fwd: [NSInfo] 21st Century Steam excursion t

for those who might be interested don't shoot the messenger mel perry Begin forwarded message: > From: Jonathan Guy <JGuy4610@...> > Date: February 4, 2013 10:59:06 AM PST > To: ChattanoogaRails@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [ChattanoogaRails] Fwd: [NSInfo] 21st Century Steam > excursion trips planned for 2013 > Reply-To: ChattanoogaRails@yahoogroups.com > > NS Announces 2013 Steam Trip Schedule > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Norfolk Southern News" > >> Feb. 4, 2013 >> >> >> >> 21st Century Steam excursion trips planned for 2013 >> >> >> >> NORFOLK, VA. – The Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum (TVRM) and the >> Fort > Wayne Railroad Historical Society (FWRHS), in partnership with Norfolk > Southern Corporation, will host 21st Century Steam excursion trips in > Tennessee, Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania in the > Spring > of 2013. >> >> >> >> Schedules, prices, and ticketing information are available at > www.tvrail.com for TVRM-hosted trips and fortwaynerailroad.org for > FWRHS-sponsored trips. Norfolk Southern employees will be able to > request > tickets for the employee appreciation trips soon through the ERC. >> >> >> >> · March 9: Bristol, Va., to Radford, Va. Host: TVRM. Steam > locomotive SOU 630. >> >> · March 10: Bristol, Va., to Bulls Gap, Tenn. Host: TVRM. >> Steam > locomotive SOU 630. >> >> · March 16: Roanoke, Va., to Radford, Va. (morning), and >> Roanoke > to Lynchburg, Va. (afternoon). Host: TVRM. Steam locomotive SOU 630. > Combination public and NS employee appreciation trips. >> >> · April 13: Spencer, N.C., to Barber, N.C. Host: TVRM. Steam > locomotive SOU 630. Combination public and NS employee appreciation > trip. >> >> · April 20 and 21: Asheville, N.C., to Old Fort, N.C. >> Host: TVRM. > Steam locomotive SOU 630. April 20 is combination public and NS > employee > appreciation trip. >> >> · May 12: Rocky River, Ohio, to Bellevue, Ohio. Host: FWRHS. > Steam locomotive NKP 765. >> >> · May 25, 26 and 27: Lewistown, Pa., to Horseshoe Curve, Pa. > Host: FWRHS. Steam locomotive NKP 765. >> >> >> >> Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum was founded in 1961 in >> Chattanooga to > create an interpretive operating museum of historic equipment and > artifacts > in an authentic setting. Today it operates an extensive schedule of > historic and scenic trains in Southeast Tennessee and Northwest > Georgia, > supported by its East Chattanooga shop facility. TVRM is the largest > operating historical excursion railroad in the Southeast. In 2012, > more > than 100,000 people visited the museum or rode on TRVM-sponsored 21st > Century Steam excursions. >> >> >> >> The Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society was formed in 1972 with >> the > goal of saving Nickel Plate Road steam locomotive 765 from rusting > away in > a city park. The organization was successful in restoring the > locomotive to > operation. The engine first ran again on Sept. 1, 1979. Since then, > NKP 765 > has operated on over a dozen different railroads from New York City > to Rock > Island, Illinois, hauling more than 250,000 passengers on excursion > trains > covering over 50,000 miles of operation. In 1986 FWRHS bought the > locomotive from the City of Fort Wayne. >> >> >> >> 21st Century Steam is a partnership between Norfolk Southern and >> TVRM to > operate steam-powered excursions throughout the territory Norfolk > Southern > serves. More information is available on the 21st Century Steam > website at > www.21stcenturysteam.com. >> >> >> >> Norfolk Southern Corporation is one of the nation’s premier > transportation companies. Its Norfolk Southern Railway subsidiary > operates > approximately 20,000 route miles in 22 states and the District of > Columbia, > serves every major container port in the eastern United States, and > provides efficient connections to other rail carriers. Norfolk > Southern > operates the most extensive intermodal network in the East and is a > major > transporter of coal, automotive, and industrial products. >> >> ### >> >> >> >> Media Contacts: >> >> >> >> Norfolk Southern: Robin Chapman, 757-629-2713 >> (robin.chapman@...) >> >> >> >> Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum: Steve Freer, 423-331-4501 ( > sfreer@...); Robert Pettway, 423-503-5225 > (pettman2001@...) >> >> >> >> Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society: Kelly Lynch, 260-466-2766, ( > lynch@...) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Connect with NS >> >> Unsubscribe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Visit the ChattanoogaRails Homepage at http://www.chattanoogarails.com > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71468	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Makin' Parts

No - its not my forte anymore - I am  a collector/operator - won't even entertain can motors but I admire your skills and ingenuity Stumpy. I used to kitbash and it is fun but I am more interested in preserving history these days. Plenty opf room for us all -.  Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Mon, 4 Feb 2013 12:54:29 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: re: Makin' Parts   From: Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas Stumpy, They are all green with envy that you do what you do and they lack all of the skills you posses. Keep up what yo do .I keep up with it. alan Lambert ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 1:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: re: Makin' Parts   To paraphrase Mark Twain; "Concerns for my demise have been greatly exaggerated." I've been dealing with some serious family medical and financial problems recently, and certain e-mails I've received about "Makin' Parts" have had me wishing I could reach through the Internet and strangle some miniature minded folks. But alas, my arms are not nearly that long and thin. Beside that, I certainly don't have time to deal with these people while running back and forth to the hospital. (This is also why the latest installment of "Project Atlantic" on myflertrains.org has been delayed, but should be up soon.) For those of you who found a recent posting of mine a bit nasty, please excuse me for that. I don't do stress well, which is why I am in various hobbies. When a hobby gives me stress too, I tend to become somewhat aggravated. You see, I HAVE to deal with money and medical disasters, but I DON'T have to do the hobby. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbWVxc3BjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTQ2NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjAwMTY0NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=71466 [3] mailto:alanlambert64@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20re%3A%20Makin%27%20Parts [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20re%3A%20Makin%27%20Parts [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMGc0Z3QzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjAwMTY0NTU- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71461;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZGhwZW5uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTQ2NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjAwMTY0NTUEdHBjSWQDNzE0NjE- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZG5iNHY4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYwMDE2NDU1?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdXFhamdtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjAwMTY0NTU- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZnVnMGx1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2MDAxNjQ1NQ-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71469	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power

E-unit was the name Lionel coined in the thirties for their reverser. Everybody I know remarks that whatever universal motored loco on whatever scale, they are running is smoother and cooler on DC. Never heard of a reverser burning out on DC - all that happens is that they can become magnetised and stick. That's easily cured by running on AC for a few seconds to demagntize. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:13:29 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power   DC has not given me trouble with AC locomotives. I've never smoked a reverse relay. "E-unit" sounds suspiciously like Lionel nomenclature to me. --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], "rhicks308" wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2], "doerryn" wrote: > > (snip) > > Note that when you rectify an AC waveform, then use a capacitor to filter out the ripple, the DC voltage is about 1.4 times the AC voltage minus about 1.5 volts. Hence a normal American Flyer transformer that is rectified will produce up to 21 volts DC at full throttle (but no load -- the AC and DC voltage will go down as the load increases due to the impedance in the transformer windings). > > > > Bottom line is that it probably isn't a great idea to use an engine with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit on a track supplying DC voltage. Has anyone had problems operating such an engine on DC track power? > > > > Have a great day, > > > > Norbert > > Burke, VA > > > > No, I use DC power all the time on unmodified AC engines without problems in the reversers. The main thing is that I see no reason for using a cap to smooth out the ripple. With just a straight bridge rectifier, the RMS power will be the same as before (minus small losses in the bridge). And if you're putting 21V to the motor, it's bound to overheat also, isn't it? > > By the way, when did they start referring to reversers as E-units? I don't remember seeing that in any documentation. Parts lists always refer to it as the Remote Control unit. What does E stand for? > > Randall > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYmlrdHA4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTQ2NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjAwMTY0MjU-?act=reply&messageNum=71464 [4] mailto:jfaust42@...?subject=Re%3A%20Using%20Gilbert%20AF%20%20E-units%20with%20DC%20Track%20Power [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Using%20Gilbert%20AF%20%20E-units%20with%20DC%20Track%20Power [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNG92M3MxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjAwMTY0MjU- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71456;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bTRmaGtwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTQ2NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjAwMTY0MjUEdHBjSWQDNzE0NTY- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaGFlNGY1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYwMDE2NDI1?o=6 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbm45dnF1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjAwMTY0MjU- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidm1sM2J0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2MDAxNjQyNQ-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [16] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71470	From: canambob91710k	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Petty infighting

It looks like the trend of petty infighting has resurfaced on the list again. Why the need to attack folks over their ideas or opinions? If you don't care for a post or posts or even a poster please be an adult and use the delete button. A year ago this nonsense really hurt the list in my opinion and we all really need to just chill and enjoy our common bond...S gauge trains. Bob Hendrickson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71471	From: doerryn	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power

Thanks for all the input. Once I have some more time, I plan to repeat using a full-wave rectifier without a filter capacitor. I expect it will run cooler than the filtered DC since the DC component of a rectified sine wave is about 90% of the AC RMS input (instead of 140% for filtered DC). (However, the resistance at DC is considerably less than the impedance at 60 Hz, so the current and heat generated will likely still be higher than when running AC) The results should be interesting. Note that for DC motors, the physics are a bit different. The motor produces a "Back EMF" so when running DC, the current is equal to the track voltage minus the Back EMF divided by the coil resistances. The more current, the faster the motor runs, and the more Back EMF is created which tends to reduce the current, thereby stabilizing things. The current times the back EMF is the power that is converted to rotary motion. By putting load on the motor, the motor slows down, the back EMF decreases, and the current increases. The Back EMF effectively limits the current -- unless the motor stalls. thanks again, Norbert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" wrote: > > I did some experimenting with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit today. A potential issue with using the E-unit on DC voltage is that the solenoid has about a 42-45 ohm impedance at AC and only a 18-27 DC resistance (range is due to the impact of temperature). Hence an E-unit on DC voltage will draw more current and generate more heat. In fact at full throttle on DC, I could smell insulation burning and could see a few wisps of smoke. > > Here's the data I collected .... > > E-unit on AC > .39 amps at 16.7 volts AC (42.4 ohm impedance) > .32 amps at 14 volts AC (43.9 ohm impedance) > .25 amps at 11.1 volts AC (44.8 ohm impedance) > > The impedance is due to inductance of the coil and the coil resistance. the reduction in impedance as current goes up is probably due to magnetic saturation of the core decreasing the > inductance faster than the resistance is increasing due to temperature. > > I measured the DC coil resistance as 18 ohms cold and 26 ohms when hot using a digital ohm meter. > > E-units on DC > .70 amps at 19.2 volts DC (27 ohms) smell burning > .56 amps at 12.6 volts DC (22.5 ohms) > > Note, resistance increases as the temperature increases, although I am some what surprised by the ~50% change in resistance between the cold and hot temperatures. > > Note that when you rectify an AC waveform, then use a capacitor to filter out the ripple, the DC voltage is about 1.4 times the AC voltage minus about 1.5 volts. Hence a normal American Flyer transformer that is rectified will produce up to 21 volts DC at full throttle (but no load -- the AC and DC voltage will go down as the load increases due to the impedance in the transformer windings). > > Bottom line is that it probably isn't a great idea to use an engine with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit on a track supplying DC voltage. Has anyone had problems operating such an engine on DC track power? > > Have a great day, > > Norbert > Burke, VA >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71472	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 2/4/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power

I had a DC layout and ran an AC Streamlined Pacific and a UP GP7 without ever having any problems. Charlie Vlk Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2013, at 2:19 PM, "rhicks308" <randallhicks@...> wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" wrote: > > (snip) > > Note that when you rectify an AC waveform, then use a capacitor to filter out the ripple, the DC voltage is about 1.4 times the AC voltage minus about 1.5 volts. Hence a normal American Flyer transformer that is rectified will produce up to 21 volts DC at full throttle (but no load -- the AC and DC voltage will go down as the load increases due to the impedance in the transformer windings). > > > > Bottom line is that it probably isn't a great idea to use an engine with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit on a track supplying DC voltage. Has anyone had problems operating such an engine on DC track power? > > > > Have a great day, > > > > Norbert > > Burke, VA > > > > No, I use DC power all the time on unmodified AC engines without problems in the reversers. The main thing is that I see no reason for using a cap to smooth out the ripple. With just a straight bridge rectifier, the RMS power will be the same as before (minus small losses in the bridge). And if you're putting 21V to the motor, it's bound to overheat also, isn't it? > > By the way, when did they start referring to reversers as E-units? I don't remember seeing that in any documentation. Parts lists always refer to it as the Remote Control unit. What does E stand for? > > Randall > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71473	From: Louis	Date: 2/5/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power

To dovetail on the information Norbert provided in his research, the link below is an article written by Tyco Electronics on operating DC Relays from AC and Vice-Versa . You will find it substantiates Norbert's observations. I have converted one engine to DC operation by eliminating the e-unit completely; I really got quite tired of constantly tinkering with the e-unit. The engine ran smoother and quieter and I'm quite pleased with the operation. I will eventually convert all non-sound engines to DC operation only and using AC on engines with sound cards, TMCC, Locomatic, etc. Lou Baldi http://relays.te.com/appnotes/app_pdfs/13c3250.pdf --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" wrote: > > I did some experimenting with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit today. A potential issue with using the E-unit on DC voltage is that the solenoid has about a 42-45 ohm impedance at AC and only a 18-27 DC resistance (range is due to the impact of temperature). Hence an E-unit on DC voltage will draw more current and generate more heat. In fact at full throttle on DC, I could smell insulation burning and could see a few wisps of smoke. > > Here's the data I collected .... > > E-unit on AC > .39 amps at 16.7 volts AC (42.4 ohm impedance) > .32 amps at 14 volts AC (43.9 ohm impedance) > .25 amps at 11.1 volts AC (44.8 ohm impedance) > > The impedance is due to inductance of the coil and the coil resistance. the reduction in impedance as current goes up is probably due to magnetic saturation of the core decreasing the > inductance faster than the resistance is increasing due to temperature. > > I measured the DC coil resistance as 18 ohms cold and 26 ohms when hot using a digital ohm meter. > > E-units on DC > .70 amps at 19.2 volts DC (27 ohms) smell burning > .56 amps at 12.6 volts DC (22.5 ohms) > > Note, resistance increases as the temperature increases, although I am some what surprised by the ~50% change in resistance between the cold and hot temperatures. > > Note that when you rectify an AC waveform, then use a capacitor to filter out the ripple, the DC voltage is about 1.4 times the AC voltage minus about 1.5 volts. Hence a normal American Flyer transformer that is rectified will produce up to 21 volts DC at full throttle (but no load -- the AC and DC voltage will go down as the load increases due to the impedance in the transformer windings). > > Bottom line is that it probably isn't a great idea to use an engine with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit on a track supplying DC voltage. Has anyone had problems operating such an engine on DC track power? > > Have a great day, > > Norbert > Burke, VA >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71474	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/5/2013
Subject: Question to the S scale group

Guys, Question to the electrical wizards out there. What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something else i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ³on to off² much like that of an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. Can it be done? Old guy Alan Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71475	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/5/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Hi Alan, � A 583 Magnetic Crane uses a reverse unit in the later version. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alan Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group   Guys, Question to the electrical wizards out there. What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something else i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ³on to off² much like that of an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. Can it be done? Old guy Alan Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71476	From: preardon4	Date: 2/5/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Yup, It sounds like you are just going to use it as a double pole switch. I assume because you didn't say that you are using this as a static display on a siding or something of that nature. If you are thinking of using the tender in combination with an engine, then no. I am not aware of a way to isolate the switching mechanism of the drum in a way that would leave the forward-off-reverse funtion to the engine intact. Pat (Not so much of a wizard), in Maine ---- Alan Smith <alansmith@...> wrote: > Guys, > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something else > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ³on to off² much like that of > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. > Can it be done? > > Old guy Alan Smith > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71477	From: markaflyer	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Alan, I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit like you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a "latching" relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a circuit alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You could use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. Mark Anderman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Smith" <alansmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group Guys, Question to the electrical wizards out there. What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something else i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ³on to off² much like that of an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. Can it be done? Old guy Alan Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71478	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Mark, This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying to use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. Whether it’s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor circuit or not. I’d rather not say what I’m trying to build right now until I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for “S” but rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out of the four “off and on” cycles. It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every forth cycle of input power -- Now we’re talking? I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. Alan On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "Manderman@..." <Manderman@...> wrote: > > > > > > Alan, > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit like > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a "latching" > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a circuit > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You could > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. > > Mark Anderman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Smith" alansmith@... <mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group > > Guys, > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something else > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ³on to off² much like that of > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. > Can it be done? > > Old guy Alan Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71479	From: Timboy	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Alan, I suspect you are referring to the American Flyer mechanical reverse unit. "E-unit" is a Lionel term for a similar product and is often mistakenly used for Flyer reverse units. I understand that Lionel now owns American Flyer, but those units are vintage stock that was manufactured by the AC Gilbert factory prior to their closure and they are what they are. I wonder if two modern latching units wired in series would provide you with a more reliable staggered output. If so, you wouldn't have to worry about the possible constant maintenance required on old reverse units. Of course, some of them still do work remarkably well and if you have one that does - then you are in business. I understand and admire your desire to use vintage components in a kit-bashing project. That would be my first inclination, as well. Sometimes it's cool to take a novel approach because we can. I once used Flyer switches as latching relays under the table. I simply wired my circuits through their rails. Talk about a novel approach! Good luck on your project!!!!!! -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Smith wrote: > > Mark, > This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to > act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying to > use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. > Whether it¡¯s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor > circuit or not. I¡¯d rather not say what I¡¯m trying to build right now until > I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for ¡°S¡± but > rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The > difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during > one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out of > the four ¡°off and on¡± cycles. > > It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track > sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on > the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every > forth cycle of input power -- Now we¡¯re talking? > > I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. > > Alan > > > On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "Manderman@..." wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan, > > > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit like > > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a "latching" > > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the > > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a circuit > > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You could > > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track > > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. > > > > Mark Anderman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Smith" alansmith@... > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group > > > > Guys, > > > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. > > > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something else > > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. > > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ©øon to off©÷ much like that of > > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum > > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. > > Can it be done? > > > > Old guy Alan Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71480	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Tim, Your right ---- all I have is vintage AC Gilbert stuff and that is probably all I¹ll ever own. The vintage flyer stuff was built as toys and it had to be tough to withstand the kids playing with it. Some of my stuff dates back to 1952 and my first American flyer train. But that is a whole another story in itself. So from that U can figure I¹m 70 plus and counting. There is a trick to making the old reversing units work better, although not as good as a retro Dallee but better just the same. HUM, I¹m not familiar with anything in modern latching units. Enlighten an old man. The only limit is the space required as it will be inside Flyer rolling stock. My 2006/08 layout is on --- you tube -- behind ³Doc¹s American Flyer² However, it¹s in transition on a remodel project at this time. Regards, A On 2/6/13 10:52 AM, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > > > > Alan, > > I suspect you are referring to the American Flyer mechanical reverse unit. > "E-unit" is a Lionel term for a similar product and is often mistakenly used > for Flyer reverse units. I understand that Lionel now owns American Flyer, > but those units are vintage stock that was manufactured by the AC Gilbert > factory prior to their closure and they are what they are. > > I wonder if two modern latching units wired in series would provide you with a > more reliable staggered output. If so, you wouldn't have to worry about the > possible constant maintenance required on old reverse units. Of course, some > of them still do work remarkably well and if you have one that does - then you > are in business. > > I understand and admire your desire to use vintage components in a kit-bashing > project. That would be my first inclination, as well. Sometimes it's cool to > take a novel approach because we can. I once used Flyer switches as latching > relays under the table. I simply wired my circuits through their rails. Talk > about a novel approach! > > Good luck on your project!!!!!! > > -Tim > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Alan > Smith wrote: >> > >> > Mark, >> > This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to >> > act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying >> to >> > use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. >> > Whether it¡¯s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor >> > circuit or not. I¡¯d rather not say what I¡¯m trying to build right now >> until >> > I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for ¡°S¡± but >> > rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The >> > difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during >> > one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out >> of >> > the four ¡°off and on¡± cycles. >> > >> > It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track >> > sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on >> > the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every >> > forth cycle of input power -- Now we¡¯re talking? >> > >> > I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. >> > >> > Alan >> > >> > >> > On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "Manderman@..." wrote: >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Alan, >>> > > >>> > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit >>> like >>> > > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a >>> "latching" >>> > > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the >>> > > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a >>> circuit >>> > > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You >>> could >>> > > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track >>> > > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. >>> > > >>> > > Mark Anderman >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Alan Smith" alansmith@... > >>> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM >>> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group >>> > > >>> > > Guys, >>> > > >>> > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. >>> > > >>> > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something >>> else >>> > > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. >>> > > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ©øon to off©÷ much like >>> that of >>> > > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- >>> drum >>> > > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. >>> > > Can it be done? >>> > > >>> > > Old guy Alan Smith >>> > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71481	From: David	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: BRUMMY'S Landscape Products Update (Advertisement)

FICUS PRODUCTS of Hamilton, OH has been running tests on BRUMMY'S coal and so far it appears that the weight and size #2 & #3 coal is perfect for the AF coal loaders #752, #752A & # 785. The flow is good (no clumping) and the clam shell has no problem in closing and opening. Dave at LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71482	From: markaflyer	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Alan, I agree with Tim. I think 2 latching relays in series would do the trick and be much more reliable. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 10:52:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question to the S scale group Alan, I suspect you are referring to the American Flyer mechanical reverse unit. "E-unit" is a Lionel term for a similar product and is often mistakenly used for Flyer reverse units. I understand that Lionel now owns American Flyer, but those units are vintage stock that was manufactured by the AC Gilbert factory prior to their closure and they are what they are. I wonder if two modern latching units wired in series would provide you with a more reliable staggered output. If so, you wouldn't have to worry about the possible constant maintenance required on old reverse units. Of course, some of them still do work remarkably well and if you have one that does - then you are in business. I understand and admire your desire to use vintage components in a kit-bashing project. That would be my first inclination, as well. Sometimes it's cool to take a novel approach because we can. I once used Flyer switches as latching relays under the table. I simply wired my circuits through their rails. Talk about a novel approach! Good luck on your project!!!!!! -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , Alan Smith wrote: > > Mark, > This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to > act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying to > use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. > Whether it¡¯s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor > circuit or not. I¡¯d rather not say what I¡¯m trying to build right now until > I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for ¡°S¡± but > rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The > difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during > one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out of > the four ¡°off and on¡± cycles. > > It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track > sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on > the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every > forth cycle of input power -- Now we¡¯re talking? > > I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. > > Alan > > > On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "Manderman@..." wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan, > > > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit like > > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a "latching" > > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the > > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a circuit > > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You could > > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track > > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. > > > > Mark Anderman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Smith" alansmith@... > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group > > > > Guys, > > > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. > > > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something else > > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. > > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ©øon to off©÷ much like that of > > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum > > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. > > Can it be done? > > > > Old guy Alan Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71483	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Alan, If I am accurately reading between the lines, it sounds like you may be working on a project that you either intend to produce in limited supply or mass-produce if you are successful in utilizing the four position E-unit to operate whatever rail-related project you are attempting to produce. I, personally, do not possess the knowledge to help you accomplish your project. However, might I suggest you contact Stumpy or possibly even Tom Barker? I think they would possess the requisite knowledge to incorporate the E-unit to your needs, if it is indeed possible to do so. Of course, should you successfully “pick their brains”, you might consider cutting them in on any future profits their knowledge imparts toward the completion of your project, if that is your ultimate goal. Good luck in your endeavors, Alan. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. From: Alan Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:14 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group Mark, This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying to use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. Whether it’s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor circuit or not. I’d rather not say what I’m trying to build right now until I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for “S” but rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out of the four “off and on” cycles. It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every forth cycle of input power -- Now we’re talking? I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. Alan On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "mailto:Manderman%40comcast.net" mailto:Manderman%40comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > Alan, > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit like > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a "latching" > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a circuit > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You could > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. > > Mark Anderman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Smith" mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group > > Guys, > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something else > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ³on to off² much like that of > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. > Can it be done? > > Old guy Alan Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71484	From: Paul	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Alan, far from being any kind of expert, the easiest way I see to come near your idea working is to use a TMCC equipped engine for motive power to move the project to different areas of the layout. let's say you are wanting to spin a mirrored disco ball inside of a boxcar, but only when the whole train is stopped as an advertising stunt. first the "reversing unit" would need placed into a neutral position, then the consist can be run and stopped at will without breaking track power, not cycling the "reversing unit." this takes a few extra seconds of setup time each time the train is about to move because the "e unit" will revert to it's forward step and need cycled manually to neutral. when the train is where your intended action is to be displayed, the boxcar is considered "spotted," stationary but with track power. TMCC covers this need. next you must cycle the "e unit" to activate the display, either with the transformer or better yet, a momentary circuit breaking button switch between the transformer and the track. cycle the unit into a position where the action is powered, ie: the disco ball turning while the train sits, unmoving. now you have not said whether the action is a constant as spinning the ball or once only such as firing a rocket car. if it is a constant action, does the track voltage need adjusted by the transformer or by stepping it down electronically within the powered display car to control the speed of the display? when finished showing off, the unit will again need cycled to a neutral position to disable power at the display and the transformer adjusted to the setting for TMCC. done right, a steam engine will have stood still, puffing smoke and waiting to move the consist. once the ball is stopped and in traveling mode, the TMCC remote will control the engine and again allow the train to move to another destination, even to repeat at a new location. possible, I think yes. pain in the ass, absolutely yes. better ways, I am positive. it might be done in a conventional transformer mode, but would require making and breaking power between the track and display to unsynchronize the units of the display and the engine, force them to different modes together, make one do nothing when the other turns on an action, then reverse roles. either way, you need an earth shattering and awesome display to make the setup hassle worth the trouble. maybe a massive fireworks event to advertise the coming circus train or a musical concert to warn the ladies and prepare the menfolk for the next train, a consist of specially decorated cabeese with red globed lanterns in the lace curtained windows. paul -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71485	From: rhicks308	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Alan: What you want to accomplish will easily work with standard AF reversers. The two inputs to the coil need to go to track power, of course. On the reverser there are two fibre crosspieces with two fingers each. For this application you only need one. The two fingers on the board will act as an SPST switch and will be on only once during the four-position cycle. Don't connect anything to the other two fingers. Now if you want this reverser to remain in sync with a separate locomotive reverser, though, I bet you're going to have constant disappointments. Trying to get two locomotives to reverse together just never seems to work. :) Randall --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Smith wrote: > > Mark, > This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to > act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying to > use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. > Whether it¡¯s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor > circuit or not. I¡¯d rather not say what I¡¯m trying to build right now until > I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for ¡°S¡± but > rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The > difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during > one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out of > the four ¡°off and on¡± cycles. > > It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track > sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on > the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every > forth cycle of input power -- Now we¡¯re talking? > > I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. > > Alan > > > On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "Manderman@..." wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan, > > > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit like > > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a "latching" > > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the > > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a circuit > > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You could > > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track > > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. > > > > Mark Anderman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Smith" alansmith@... > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group > > > > Guys, > > > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. > > > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something else > > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. > > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ©øon to off©÷ much like that of > > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum > > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. > > Can it be done? > > > > Old guy Alan Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71486	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

The last sentence of the second paragraph ended with a “smiling emoticon”, which somehow did not show up. The line was intended to be funny, not serious. Truly, good luck in your project, Alan. Bruce From: Bruce DeGailler Sr Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:13 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group Alan, If I am accurately reading between the lines, it sounds like you may be working on a project that you either intend to produce in limited supply or mass-produce if you are successful in utilizing the four position E-unit to operate whatever rail-related project you are attempting to produce. I, personally, do not possess the knowledge to help you accomplish your project. However, might I suggest you contact Stumpy or possibly even Tom Barker? I think they would possess the requisite knowledge to incorporate the E-unit to your needs, if it is indeed possible to do so. Of course, should you successfully “pick their brains”, you might consider cutting them in on any future profits their knowledge imparts toward the completion of your project, if that is your ultimate goal. Good luck in your endeavors, Alan. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. From: Alan Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:14 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group Mark, This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying to use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. Whether it’s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor circuit or not. I’d rather not say what I’m trying to build right now until I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for “S” but rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out of the four “off and on” cycles. It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every forth cycle of input power -- Now we’re talking? I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. Alan On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "mailto:Manderman%40comcast.net" mailto:Manderman%40comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > Alan, > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit like > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a "latching" > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a circuit > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You could > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. > > Mark Anderman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Smith" mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group > > Guys, > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something else > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ³on to off² much like that of > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. > Can it be done? > > Old guy Alan Smith > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71487	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Bruce, Thanks for your reply, NO -- I’m not going to mass produce anything. I just like to tinder with a very enjoyable hobby. Reliving a bit of the past and the fond memories of Railroading in the 50’s If and when I can make it work maybe someone can use it for their own project. I’m more of a mechanical guy than electrical whiz. -- Whiz I’m not !! Old Stumpy (God love him) has personal problems he’s dealing with now. I’m not going to bug him. Another of my projects is making unique Propane tank car bodies. Circa 40’s & 50”s. I’ve almost got that figured out. One more hurdle. That may become a limited custom made product. Cheers and thanks again. A On 2/6/13 1:13 PM, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Alan, > > If I am accurately reading between the lines, it sounds like you may be > working on a project that you either intend to produce in limited supply or > mass-produce if you are successful in utilizing the four position E-unit to > operate whatever rail-related project you are attempting to produce. > > I, personally, do not possess the knowledge to help you accomplish your > project. However, might I suggest you contact Stumpy or possibly even Tom > Barker? I think they would possess the requisite knowledge to incorporate the > E-unit to your needs, if it is indeed possible to do so. Of course, should > you successfully “pick their brains”, you might consider cutting them in on > any future profits their knowledge imparts toward the completion of your > project, if that is your ultimate goal. > > Good luck in your endeavors, Alan. > > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > > From: Alan Smith > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:14 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group > > Mark, > This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to > act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying to > use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. > Whether it’s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor > circuit or not. I’d rather not say what I’m trying to build right now until > I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for “S” but > rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The > difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during > one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out of > the four “off and on” cycles. > > It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track > sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on > the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every > forth cycle of input power -- Now we’re talking? > > I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. > > Alan > > On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "mailto:Manderman%40comcast.net" > mailto:Manderman%40comcast.net> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Alan, >> > >> > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit >> like >> > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a >> "latching" >> > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the >> > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a circuit >> > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You >> could >> > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track >> > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. >> > >> > Mark Anderman >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Alan Smith" mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net > >> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM >> > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group >> > >> > Guys, >> > >> > Question to the electrical wizards out there. >> > >> > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something >> else >> > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. >> > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ³on to off² much like that of >> > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum >> > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. >> > Can it be done? >> > >> > Old guy Alan Smith >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71488	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Randall, HUM- I¹ll play with it some more. I¹m aware of the pain with getting or keeping the two in Sync. Fortunately a second engine is not in the picture. I¹ve tried running an independent test light to the top and bottom fingers post and cycling the power on and off, which I thought should work. But, for some reason this won¹t work as needed. I¹ll tinker some more ‹ maybe it was the nut on the test leads. I have put a double header with two 312 AC together and had good results ( both independent). The front engine Must be the stronger runner of the two. But it works ! Track conditions must be on good working order as well or trouble ‹ trouble --- trouble happens. It looks neat in operation during a train show. Alan On 2/6/13 2:04 PM, "rhicks308" <randallhicks@...> wrote: > > > > > > Alan: > > What you want to accomplish will easily work with standard AF reversers. The > two inputs to the coil need to go to track power, of course. On the reverser > there are two fibre crosspieces with two fingers each. For this application > you only need one. The two fingers on the board will act as an SPST switch > and will be on only once during the four-position cycle. Don't connect > anything to the other two fingers. > > Now if you want this reverser to remain in sync with a separate locomotive > reverser, though, I bet you're going to have constant disappointments. Trying > to get two locomotives to reverse together just never seems to work. :) > > Randall > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Alan > Smith wrote: >> > >> > Mark, >> > This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to >> > act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying >> to >> > use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. >> > Whether it¡¯s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor >> > circuit or not. I¡¯d rather not say what I¡¯m trying to build right now >> until >> > I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for ¡°S¡± but >> > rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The >> > difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during >> > one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out >> of >> > the four ¡°off and on¡± cycles. >> > >> > It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track >> > sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on >> > the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every >> > forth cycle of input power -- Now we¡¯re talking? >> > >> > I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. >> > >> > Alan >> > >> > >> > On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "Manderman@..." wrote: >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Alan, >>> > > >>> > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit >>> like >>> > > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a >>> "latching" >>> > > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the >>> > > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a >>> circuit >>> > > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You >>> could >>> > > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track >>> > > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. >>> > > >>> > > Mark Anderman >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Alan Smith" alansmith@... > >>> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM >>> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group >>> > > >>> > > Guys, >>> > > >>> > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. >>> > > >>> > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something >>> else >>> > > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. >>> > > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ©øon to off©÷ much like >>> that of >>> > > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- >>> drum >>> > > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. >>> > > Can it be done? >>> > > >>> > > Old guy Alan Smith >>> > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71489	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Bruce, I run a Mac with tight security. Some things won’t get thru. I’ll report the end result if and when I get it to work as dreamed up. Happy railroading to you until we chat again. Alan On 2/6/13 1:46 PM, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > > > > > The last sentence of the second paragraph ended with a “smiling emoticon”, > which somehow did not show up. The line was intended to be funny, not > serious. > > Truly, good luck in your project, Alan. > > Bruce > > From: Bruce DeGailler Sr > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:13 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group > > Alan, > > If I am accurately reading between the lines, it sounds like you may be > working on a project that you either intend to produce in limited supply or > mass-produce if you are successful in utilizing the four position E-unit to > operate whatever rail-related project you are attempting to produce. > > I, personally, do not possess the knowledge to help you accomplish your > project. However, might I suggest you contact Stumpy or possibly even Tom > Barker? I think they would possess the requisite knowledge to incorporate the > E-unit to your needs, if it is indeed possible to do so. Of course, should you > successfully “pick their brains”, you might consider cutting them in on any > future profits their knowledge imparts toward the completion of your project, > if that is your ultimate goal. > > Good luck in your endeavors, Alan. > > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > > From: Alan Smith > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:14 AM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group > > Mark, > This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to > act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying to > use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. > Whether it’s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor > circuit or not. I’d rather not say what I’m trying to build right now until > I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for “S” but > rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The > difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during > one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out of > the four “off and on” cycles. > > It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track > sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on > the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every > forth cycle of input power -- Now we’re talking? > > I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. > > Alan > > On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "mailto:Manderman%40comcast.net" > mailto:Manderman%40comcast.net> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Alan, >> > >> > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit >> like >> > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a >> "latching" >> > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the >> > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a circuit >> > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You >> could >> > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track >> > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. >> > >> > Mark Anderman >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Alan Smith" mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net > >> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >> > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM >> > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group >> > >> > Guys, >> > >> > Question to the electrical wizards out there. >> > >> > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something >> else >> > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. >> > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ³on to off² much like that of >> > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- drum >> > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. >> > Can it be done? >> > >> > Old guy Alan Smith >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71490	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Randall, YOU were correct ! Thanks ! After Supper I went back to the bench and rethought the whole reverse coil/switch. I applied the KISS process. I took a spare reversing unit out of spares stash. Set it up on the bench and it provided the correct or desired result with one power transfer thru one set of fingers per four cycles of the switch drum. I must have been having a brain fart the first time I tried to make this work. Thanks to all U good ole train boys for your suggestions and recommendations! I can now move forward to the next phase of bashing the thing! I will advise when finished. More bashing to do after this one is done. Ohio Alan On 2/6/13 2:04 PM, "rhicks308" <randallhicks@...> wrote: > > > > > > Alan: > > What you want to accomplish will easily work with standard AF reversers. The > two inputs to the coil need to go to track power, of course. On the reverser > there are two fibre crosspieces with two fingers each. For this application > you only need one. The two fingers on the board will act as an SPST switch > and will be on only once during the four-position cycle. Don't connect > anything to the other two fingers. > > Now if you want this reverser to remain in sync with a separate locomotive > reverser, though, I bet you're going to have constant disappointments. Trying > to get two locomotives to reverse together just never seems to work. :) > > Randall > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Alan > Smith wrote: >> > >> > Mark, >> > This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to >> > act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying >> to >> > use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. >> > Whether it¡¯s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor >> > circuit or not. I¡¯d rather not say what I¡¯m trying to build right now >> until >> > I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for ¡°S¡± but >> > rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The >> > difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during >> > one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out >> of >> > the four ¡°off and on¡± cycles. >> > >> > It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track >> > sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on >> > the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every >> > forth cycle of input power -- Now we¡¯re talking? >> > >> > I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. >> > >> > Alan >> > >> > >> > On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "Manderman@..." wrote: >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Alan, >>> > > >>> > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit >>> like >>> > > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a >>> "latching" >>> > > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the >>> > > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a >>> circuit >>> > > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You >>> could >>> > > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track >>> > > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. >>> > > >>> > > Mark Anderman >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Alan Smith" alansmith@... > >>> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM >>> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group >>> > > >>> > > Guys, >>> > > >>> > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. >>> > > >>> > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something >>> else >>> > > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. >>> > > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ©øon to off©÷ much like >>> that of >>> > > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- >>> drum >>> > > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. >>> > > Can it be done? >>> > > >>> > > Old guy Alan Smith >>> > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71491	From: doerryn	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: Re: Using Gilbert AF E-units with DC Track Power

So here's the data for unfiltered rectified AC to DC. I used a 1 ohm resistor (which actually measured almost exactly 1 ohm) in series with the coil to measure the current -- otherwise would not be able to measure the ac current component. Unlike the previous time, I measured the dc resistance before I energized the coil. This time it measured 16.7 ohms. So, with the transformer set to its maximum value, rectified with a full wave bridge rectifier, and connected to the reverse unit coil via the 1 ohm resistor, this is what I measured .... DC at the coil 12.4V DC current .59 amp (about 21 ohms) AC at the coil 3.9V AC current .18 amp (I'm assuming my digital volt meter calculates a true rms value for the ac voltage after filtering out the dc -- the manual isn't clear on this) Take the RMS values for the voltage and current results in .... RMS Voltage = 13 V RMS Current = .62 amp So the power dissapated by the coil resistance is .62^2 x 21 = 8 watts compared with the filtered DC of .7^2 x 27 = 13 watts and ac (estimate coil resistance of 21 ohms) = .39^2 x 21 = 3 watts So, it looks like the unfiltered DC dissapates heat almost exactly midway between the filtered DC and AC. The reverse unit on unfiltered DC is hotter than when running on ac, but not so hot that it will burn the insulation. When I have time and the right test equipment, I do want to quantify how the universal motors run cooler under DC. Have a great day, Norbert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" wrote: > > Thanks for all the input. > > Once I have some more time, I plan to repeat using a full-wave rectifier without a filter capacitor. I expect it will run cooler than the filtered DC since the DC component of a rectified sine wave is about 90% of the AC RMS input (instead of 140% for filtered DC). (However, the resistance at DC is considerably less than the impedance at 60 Hz, so the current and heat generated will likely still be higher than when running AC) > > The results should be interesting. > > Note that for DC motors, the physics are a bit different. The motor produces a "Back EMF" so when running DC, the current is equal to the track voltage minus the Back EMF divided by the coil resistances. The more current, the faster the motor runs, and the more Back EMF is created which tends to reduce the current, thereby stabilizing things. The current times the back EMF is the power that is converted to rotary motion. By putting load on the motor, the motor slows down, the back EMF decreases, and the current increases. The Back EMF effectively limits the current -- unless the motor stalls. > > thanks again, > > Norbert > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" wrote: > > > > I did some experimenting with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit today. A potential issue with using the E-unit on DC voltage is that the solenoid has about a 42-45 ohm impedance at AC and only a 18-27 DC resistance (range is due to the impact of temperature). Hence an E-unit on DC voltage will draw more current and generate more heat. In fact at full throttle on DC, I could smell insulation burning and could see a few wisps of smoke. > > > > Here's the data I collected .... > > > > E-unit on AC > > .39 amps at 16.7 volts AC (42.4 ohm impedance) > > .32 amps at 14 volts AC (43.9 ohm impedance) > > .25 amps at 11.1 volts AC (44.8 ohm impedance) > > > > The impedance is due to inductance of the coil and the coil resistance. the reduction in impedance as current goes up is probably due to magnetic saturation of the core decreasing the > > inductance faster than the resistance is increasing due to temperature. > > > > I measured the DC coil resistance as 18 ohms cold and 26 ohms when hot using a digital ohm meter. > > > > E-units on DC > > .70 amps at 19.2 volts DC (27 ohms) smell burning > > .56 amps at 12.6 volts DC (22.5 ohms) > > > > Note, resistance increases as the temperature increases, although I am some what surprised by the ~50% change in resistance between the cold and hot temperatures. > > > > Note that when you rectify an AC waveform, then use a capacitor to filter out the ripple, the DC voltage is about 1.4 times the AC voltage minus about 1.5 volts. Hence a normal American Flyer transformer that is rectified will produce up to 21 volts DC at full throttle (but no load -- the AC and DC voltage will go down as the load increases due to the impedance in the transformer windings). > > > > Bottom line is that it probably isn't a great idea to use an engine with a 4 position Gilbert AF E-unit on a track supplying DC voltage. Has anyone had problems operating such an engine on DC track power? > > > > Have a great day, > > > > Norbert > > Burke, VA > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71492	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/6/2013
Subject: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

Why is it that most of the rare AF 631s (like this gray one) offered for sale are usually missing steps or otherwise jacked up (like the chunk out of the side of this newest offering)? I think I may have answered my own question. I guess they are so rare that the ones that survived intact are firmly planted in collections, whereby the ones that are less than desirable end up on Ebay. Do I win a cigar? Check the latest offering out: http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-Gondola-631-/290859044896?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item43b88cd020 Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71493	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: "Project Atlantic" continues

Part Six of the Stumpy's Station "Project Atlantic" series is posted on http://myflyertrains.org which is Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website. Chuck has been kind enough to allow yet another of my kit bashing and scratchbuilding missives to run there. In this installment, we do the most serious kit bashing of the project series by replacing the Wooten firebox of the Atlantic with one from the plastic "280 series" Pacific! This changes the look of the locomotive completely and makes the design more palatable to those not modeling Eastern coal roads like the Reading or Jersey Central. This is a major step most folks may not want to try, but I included it for those brave souls who have the desire and extra loco shells on hand for the bash. Enjoy! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71494	From: Timboy	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" continues

Stumpy... I support your kit-bashing efforts 100%. You are a valuable contributor to S gauge. Keep up the great work! I am looking forward to trying my hand at a project or two of your's after my Sibley is done. -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" wrote: > > Part Six of the Stumpy's Station "Project Atlantic" series is posted on http://myflyertrains.org which is Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website. Chuck has been kind enough to allow yet another of my kit bashing and scratchbuilding missives to run there. > > In this installment, we do the most serious kit bashing of the project series by replacing the Wooten firebox of the Atlantic with one from the plastic "280 series" Pacific! This changes the look of the locomotive completely and makes the design more palatable to those not modeling Eastern coal roads like the Reading or Jersey Central. > > This is a major step most folks may not want to try, but I included it for those brave souls who have the desire and extra loco shells on hand for the bash. Enjoy! > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71495	From: Frank	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Some nice deals in S

The winter 2013 sale from American Models is great. I just picked up some sale items and must say I was over joyed with the price and products. AM's E units are great looking and are very colorful and realistic. The Wabash FM's, Wow! If you want to check them out here is the site info. NO, I do not work for AM's, LOL. http://www.americanmodels.com/ Frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71496	From: R G	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

Wow that one isn't even worth the price of $1.99.  ________________________________ From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 12:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay   Why is it that most of the rare AF 631s (like this gray one) offered for sale are usually missing steps or otherwise jacked up (like the chunk out of the side of this newest offering)? I think I may have answered my own question. I guess they are so rare that the ones that survived intact are firmly planted in collections, whereby the ones that are less than desirable end up on Ebay. Do I win a cigar? Check the latest offering out: http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-Gondola-631-/290859044896?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item43b88cd020 Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71497	From: David	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: BRUMMY'S Landscape Products NEW Update (Advertisement)

We have started to populate the page at our site with products from BRUMMY'S Landscape products. Right now we have coal and red ore. More to come next week as soon as we can take more photos when our samples arrive. To view/purchase please use the link below http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page06.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page06.html> Dave At LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71498	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

If you see a rare gondola with missing steps, it might very well have come that way from the factory. My father has a gray 631 that he bought brand-new as a kid. He still has the original box. (This is the car I wrote about in the Jan '96 Classic Toy Trains.) All four steps are missing, clean off. When I asked him if he'd perhaps filed them off, he said he thought he might have. A few years ago, S Gaugian had a column suggesting that Gilbert took the steps off some less-than-perfect gon shells, including gray ones, and assembled them for sale. After seeing that, I took another look at Dad's 631. Imagine with me for a moment: you're a kid who doesn't like the plastic steps on your new gondola. You grab a flat file, or a small hacksaw, out of the garage and go to work. How do you hold the tool? Diagonally across the corner of the car, of course, so you don't ding up the coupler as you go. Should leave diagonal tool marks, right? Not here. The tool marks go straight across the bottom of the car. There's no way to do that and not hit the trucks while you work. If the shell had been bumped on a belt sander *before* assembly, however, this is exactly what you would see. Based on that, I have to conclude that some gondolas left the Gilbert plant without steps. Next time you see a car like this, take a closer look at it. --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" wrote: > > > > Why is it that most of the rare AF 631s (like this gray one) offered for sale are usually missing steps or otherwise jacked up (like the chunk out of the side of this newest offering)? > > I think I may have answered my own question. I guess they are so rare that the ones that survived intact are firmly planted in collections, whereby the ones that are less than desirable end up on Ebay. Do I win a cigar? Check the latest offering out: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-Gondola-631-/290859044896?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item43b88cd020 > > Bruce > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71499	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: Some nice deals in S

EXACTLY. And, while you are placing you order, put in a request to have the EMD FP-7 done up in the Wabash Blue & Gray too. They need to know if they build it, we will buy. J I've been tempted to try my hand at doing one up with the undecorated model, but know I'd be disappointed. Ben Colley From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:54 AM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Some nice deals in S The winter 2013 sale from American Models is great. I just picked up some sale items and must say I was over joyed with the price and products. AM's E units are great looking and are very colorful and realistic. The Wabash FM's, Wow! If you want to check them out here is the site info. NO, I do not work for AM's, LOL. http://www.americanmodels.com/ Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71500	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

Thanks for the info, Jeff. Definitely food for thought. I can see the feasibility of your assessment regarding your Dad’s 631 and other similar gondolas, as long as all four steps have been removed in the fashion you describe. However, another possibility to consider to make it seem like a rare car was factory-altered instead of abused and get the same effect you mention would be to remove the trucks, shave the remaining steps, and reinstall the trucks using new, factory issued rivets. That would ensure that the trucks would remain undamaged and rivets can be installed to make it look like the factory installed them. However, the 631 I provided a link for, with the sizeable chunk out of the side, is definitely not factory-altered. Gilbert was known for being frugal, using up existing inventory and parts, but even he wouldn’t let something like that leave the factory to save a buck. ;) (I know you weren’t inferring that this one was legit – I just couldn’t resist the weak attempt at humor.) Bruce From: Jeff Faust Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay If you see a rare gondola with missing steps, it might very well have come that way from the factory. My father has a gray 631 that he bought brand-new as a kid. He still has the original box. (This is the car I wrote about in the Jan '96 Classic Toy Trains.) All four steps are missing, clean off. When I asked him if he'd perhaps filed them off, he said he thought he might have. A few years ago, S Gaugian had a column suggesting that Gilbert took the steps off some less-than-perfect gon shells, including gray ones, and assembled them for sale. After seeing that, I took another look at Dad's 631. Imagine with me for a moment: you're a kid who doesn't like the plastic steps on your new gondola. You grab a flat file, or a small hacksaw, out of the garage and go to work. How do you hold the tool? Diagonally across the corner of the car, of course, so you don't ding up the coupler as you go. Should leave diagonal tool marks, right? Not here. The tool marks go straight across the bottom of the car. There's no way to do that and not hit the trucks while you work. If the shell had been bumped on a belt sander *before* assembly, however, this is exactly what you would see. Based on that, I have to conclude that some gondolas left the Gilbert plant without steps. Next time you see a car like this, take a closer look at it. --Jeff --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" wrote: > > > > Why is it that most of the rare AF 631s (like this gray one) offered for sale are usually missing steps or otherwise jacked up (like the chunk out of the side of this newest offering)? > > I think I may have answered my own question. I guess they are so rare that the ones that survived intact are firmly planted in collections, whereby the ones that are less than desirable end up on Ebay. Do I win a cigar? Check the latest offering out: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-Gondola-631-/290859044896?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item43b88cd020 > > Bruce > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71501	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

Jeff, I can understand why Gilbert, not wanting to throw out anything of value, would ship a car with no steps. However, the car in question on eBay has only one step missing. Probably didn't leave the factory that way. I guess bad things happen to both rare and common 631's. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, > > If you see a rare gondola with missing steps, it might very well have come that way from the factory. > > My father has a gray 631 that he bought brand-new as a kid. He still has the original box. (This is the car I wrote about in the Jan '96 Classic Toy Trains.) All four steps are missing, clean off. When I asked him if he'd perhaps filed them off, he said he thought he might have. > > A few years ago, S Gaugian had a column suggesting that Gilbert took the steps off some less-than-perfect gon shells, including gray ones, and assembled them for sale. After seeing that, I took another look at Dad's 631. > > Imagine with me for a moment: you're a kid who doesn't like the plastic steps on your new gondola. You grab a flat file, or a small hacksaw, out of the garage and go to work. How do you hold the tool? Diagonally across the corner of the car, of course, so you don't ding up the coupler as you go. Should leave diagonal tool marks, right? > > Not here. The tool marks go straight across the bottom of the car. There's no way to do that and not hit the trucks while you work. If the shell had been bumped on a belt sander *before* assembly, however, this is exactly what you would see. Based on that, I have to conclude that some gondolas left the Gilbert plant without steps. > > Next time you see a car like this, take a closer look at it. > > --Jeff > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" wrote: > > > > > > > > Why is it that most of the rare AF 631s (like this gray one) offered for sale are usually missing steps or otherwise jacked up (like the chunk out of the side of this newest offering)? > > > > I think I may have answered my own question. I guess they are so rare that the ones that survived intact are firmly planted in collections, whereby the ones that are less than desirable end up on Ebay. Do I win a cigar? Check the latest offering out: > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-Gondola-631-/290859044896?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item43b88cd020 > > > > Bruce > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71502	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: Some nice deals in S

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Ben, If you or anyone else want something Special from American Models just let him know and give a minimum order. I have through one of my club members who is a dealer for American Models, a S-12 Baldwin switcher in MKT red colors. It is not listed on the website. My dealer is the main factor that any MKT stock is listed. The MKT Pacific, I got before it was listed. Hope this makes you go do it for what ever you need. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: Ben E. Colley To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Some nice deals in S   EXACTLY. And, while you are placing you order, put in a request to have the EMD FP-7 done up in the Wabash Blue & Gray too. They need to know if they build it, we will buy. J I've been tempted to try my hand at doing one up with the undecorated model, but know I'd be disappointed. Ben Colley From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:54 AM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Some nice deals in S The winter 2013 sale from American Models is great. I just picked up some sale items and must say I was over joyed with the price and products. AM's E units are great looking and are very colorful and realistic. The Wabash FM's, Wow! If you want to check them out here is the site info. NO, I do not work for AM's, LOL. http://www.americanmodels.com/ Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71503	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 2/7/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

I agree. This one's seen some hard times, and a very damp basement. (My kind of car. I put a bid in.) --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" wrote: > > > > Jeff, I can understand why Gilbert, not wanting to throw out anything of value, would ship a car with no steps. However, the car in question on eBay has only one step missing. Probably didn't leave the factory that way. I guess bad things happen to both rare and common 631's. Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, > > > If you see a rare gondola with missing steps, it might very well have come that way from the factory. > > > > My father has a gray 631 that he bought brand-new as a kid. He still has the original box. (This is the car I wrote about in the Jan '96 Classic Toy Trains.) All four steps are missing, clean off. When I asked him if he'd perhaps filed them off, he said he thought he might have. > > > > A few years ago, S Gaugian had a column suggesting that Gilbert took the steps off some less-than-perfect gon shells, including gray ones, and assembled them for sale. After seeing that, I took another look at Dad's 631. > > > > Imagine with me for a moment: you're a kid who doesn't like the plastic steps on your new gondola. You grab a flat file, or a small hacksaw, out of the garage and go to work. How do you hold the tool? Diagonally across the corner of the car, of course, so you don't ding up the coupler as you go. Should leave diagonal tool marks, right? > > > > Not here. The tool marks go straight across the bottom of the car. There's no way to do that and not hit the trucks while you work. If the shell had been bumped on a belt sander *before* assembly, however, this is exactly what you would see. Based on that, I have to conclude that some gondolas left the Gilbert plant without steps. > > > > Next time you see a car like this, take a closer look at it. > > > > --Jeff > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it that most of the rare AF 631s (like this gray one) offered for sale are usually missing steps or otherwise jacked up (like the chunk out of the side of this newest offering)? > > > > > > I think I may have answered my own question. I guess they are so rare that the ones that survived intact are firmly planted in collections, whereby the ones that are less than desirable end up on Ebay. Do I win a cigar? Check the latest offering out: > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-Gondola-631-/290859044896?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item43b88cd020 > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71504	From: jeff silvera	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

$13.06 shipping thats even crazier. They must think that their shipping Gold!                         "Just my 2 cents"                                                                          Jeff S...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71505	From: David	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: BALLAST Added To Web Site ( Advertisement )

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71506	From: David	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Pre-wired micro LED's (Advertisement)

We have started to stock pre-wired micro LED's on our web site at; http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> The first offering is a WARM WHITE 3.5mm X 3.5mm chip. As you can see by the photos at the site they are the size of WASHINGTON'S left eye on a $1.00 bill. There will be the usual RED, GREEN & YELLOW to follow over the next few weeks plus an even smaller selection of white and colored LED'S. We are trying to give you what you have wanted for several years. So here it is. Put it to good use ;o) Especially you "STUMPY" Dave At LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71507	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

I just mailed off some items and U S postal just went up   again!   Al ________________________________ From: jeff silvera <afjeff_56@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 4:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay    $13.06 shipping thats even crazier. They must think that their shipping Gold!                         "Just my 2 cents"                                                                          Jeff S...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71508	From: William J Gill	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium flat rate box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print your own label, free pickup, free tracking). Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller sized box for much less. Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before the auction close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my two cents worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71509	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

On 2/8/2013 10:04 AM, William J Gill wrote: > The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium flat > rate box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. > Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller sized > box for much less. Yep, I have a small e-commerce site and if it is less than 14 ounces, I ship First class mail. For more than that I have to use priority mail. Depending on the weight, I sometimes use my own boxes or if it would cost more using my box, I use the USPS flat rate boxes. I buy boxes from uline.com and often times they are less than 50 cents each for a quantity of 25 depending on size. The killer is their shipping cost so I order a lot of boxes at once to keep the total cost of the boxes low. I also reuse the peanuts and bubble wrap from packages I receive and recycled newspaper. I thought eBay was trying to clamp down on excessive shipping charges by charging the seller a commission on shipping as well? I know a lot of sellers sell things at near cost and make their profit on shipping. I always check shipping costs first before bidding. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71510	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

2013 Greenberg guide has this gray 631, which I liberally grade in Fair condition at best, for $29.00 (if you deduct 90% of the price of a similar car in EX condition). That said, I wouldn’t even insure the car and would send it by the cheapest method possible, Parcel Post. You sure as heck couldn’t hurt it to where it would affect the grade, even if the postman drop kicked the box to the door. Bruce From: William J Gill Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:04 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium flat rate box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print your own label, free pickup, free tracking). Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller sized box for much less. Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before the auction close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my two cents worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71511	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" continues

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" wrote: > > Part Six of the Stumpy's Station "Project Atlantic" series is posted on http://myflyertrains.org which is Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website. Chuck has been kind enough to allow yet another of my kit bashing and scratchbuilding missives to run there. > > In this installment, we do the most serious kit bashing of the project series by replacing the Wooten firebox of the Atlantic with one from the plastic "280 series" Pacific! This changes the look of the locomotive completely and makes the design more palatable to those not modeling Eastern coal roads like the Reading or Jersey Central. > > This is a major step most folks may not want to try, but I included it for those brave souls who have the desire and extra loco shells on hand for the bash. Enjoy! > Stumpy in Ahia Very nice work, and a worthy project. Thanks for keeping us "in the loop". Mark in Oregon >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71512	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: AF Item

To all: I am forwarding this to the list, as requested by my good friend, Mike Marmer. Bruce Hi Bruce, If you can forward this email to the S list, I would appreciate it. the below is from Roger Carp of Classic Toy Trains Magazine and the questionnaire I am to fill out. Not only did I get that receipt for AF product in a box of Highway signs from the company store, that A. C. Gilbert Jr., , in December, but I got this great news today about the layout finally being in Classic Toy Train magazine. I emailed Roger about that receipt and I think Mark Boyd of the TCA Quarterly might have that pictured in the TCA magazine. Yes, the wrist is coming along after the Tommy John type surgery, as the other wrist will be done next fall. Building a layout with one eye having a detached retina, the other eye with a cataract that no one could figure out, a bad back, bad knees, and bad wrist was difficult, but I got it done. To update some on things going on, as you have seen and heard about the antics of the gang of the layout. As for Hugo and Che and the gang, things are going great with them, as the list has missed out on the latest antics they have been up to, since I left the list March. Ebay is still going strong in this world and its not going away. The Pinheads made it to the playoffs, but the reliever could not get the last batter out in game 5, as they lost, the series, 3 games to 2. A few Youtubes from my layout and other train thing for them to see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTQLkhcj-ZY The Action box car from Lionel, just the shell, as the body from Lionel not only had bad trucks but the electronics where awful, as I got a 974 body to have Steve put the decoders in and I used the new Erie Shell from Lionel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2YRz2buEpM I finally did a run with my first train set as a kid on the layout, smoke fluid is from Mike Strickland. Thanks Bruce, looking forward for our continuing baseball talk for 2013 along with some others I have kept in touch from the list. My good friend Ralph Loveless is coming over Tuesday to see the layout and pizza. He used to work with Bob Tufts at train shows. A very good friend like you. I am glad you are feeling better. Hope the ones I miss on the list are doing well too. Mike From: Roger Carp Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:01 PM To: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: Re: AF Item Hi Mike, Hope your recovery is going along smoothly and painlessly. Thanks for sending the information and pictures of those neat Flyer items associated with Al Gilbert. Very cool additions to your collection. I assume your layout is done and ready to be photographed for an article? Let's see what we can do for next fall before York. Take care and best to Linda. Sincerely, Roger Carp Senior editor Classic Toy Trains 262-796-8776 ext. 253 Hi Mike, Glad to hear you are healing and back to full range of activities. And I'll look forward to seeing the article in the TCQ�Mark always does a good job. We'll talk more in the near future about getting the pictures we need for an article. In the meantime, I am appending a questionnaire that I'll need you to fill out so I can write a manuscript to go with the pictures. Take care and stay in touch, Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71513	From: pete.henningsen	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

First Class for this item (13 oz. or less) would be MUCH cheaper than Parcel Post. Pete Henningsen Milford, Ct. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce DeGailler Sr Date: Friday, February 8, 2013 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > 2013 Greenberg guide has this gray 631, which I liberally grade > in Fair condition at best, for $29.00 (if you deduct 90% of the > price of a similar car in EX condition). > > That said, I wouldn�t even insure the car and would send it by > the cheapest method possible, Parcel Post. You sure as heck > couldn�t hurt it to where it would affect the grade, even if the > postman drop kicked the box to the door. > > Bruce > > > From: William J Gill > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:04 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay > > > The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium > flat rate box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. > > Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print > your own label, free pickup, free tracking). > > Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a > smaller sized box for much less. > > Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before > the auction close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. > > I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my > two cents worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." > > Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71514	From: Louis	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Flat Car

Several months ago someone on this list was looking for the American Models flat car with Krispy Kreme truck loads. There is one up for auction on E-Bay. Auction# 221185043564 Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71515	From: Louis	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Flat Car

Several months ago someone on this list was looking for the American Models flat car with Krispy Kreme truck loads. There is one up for auction on E-Bay. Auction# 221185043564 Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71516	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/8/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

First class stops at 13oz and/or 3/4'thick or thicker. But you can still ship it Priority mail cheaper than the med. flat rate, if you wrap it right. You can even use the reg. Priority mail box & cut it down. Mike in Ore In a message dated 2/8/2013 9:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wjbillgill@... writes: The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium flat rate box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print your own label, free pickup, free tracking). Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller sized box for much less. Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before the auction close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my two cents worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71517	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: Flat Car

Hi Lou, That was probably me. I bought the AM flat car and two of the KK trucks separately and assembled my own about 12 months ago. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Louis" wrote: > > Several months ago someone on this list was looking for the American Models flat car with Krispy Kreme truck loads. There is one up for auction on E-Bay. Auction# 221185043564 > Lou Baldi >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71518	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

First Class is only limited to 3/4 inch thickness if you're using an envelope (padded or not). I ship single cars first class in a box all the time. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay   First class stops at 13oz and/or 3/4'thick or thicker. But you can still ship it Priority mail cheaper than the med. flat rate, if you wrap it right. You can even use the reg. Priority mail box & cut it down. Mike in Ore In a message dated 2/8/2013 9:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wjbillgill@... writes: The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium flat rate box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print your own label, free pickup, free tracking). Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller sized box for much less. Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before the auction close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my two cents worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71519	From: racin510	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

Who's got the best Ebay shipping rip-off story? My latest is a guy charging me $5.50 to ship a switch cap, for which I paid $4.50! And he totally irrationalized it. Oh yea he sent it First Class in a little box. And oh yea I left feedback that he didn't like at all! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > First class stops at 13oz and/or 3/4'thick or thicker. But you can still > ship it Priority mail cheaper than the med. flat rate, if you wrap it right. > You can even use the reg. Priority mail box & cut it down. Mike in Ore > > > In a message dated 2/8/2013 9:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > wjbillgill@... writes: > > > > > The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium flat rate > box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. > > Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print your own > label, free pickup, free tracking). > > Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller sized > box for much less. > > Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before the auction > close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. > > I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my two cents > worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." > > Bill > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71520	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

But it still must be less than 3/4' or thinner Mike In a message dated 2/8/2013 8:54:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, amerflyerwanted@... writes: First Class for this item (13 oz. or less) would be MUCH cheaper than Parcel Post. Pete Henningsen Milford, Ct. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce DeGailler Sr Date: Friday, February 8, 2013 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > 2013 Greenberg guide has this gray 631, which I liberally grade > in Fair condition at best, for $29.00 (if you deduct 90% of the > price of a similar car in EX condition). > > That said, I wouldn’t even insure the car and would send it by > the cheapest method possible, Parcel Post. You sure as heck > couldn’t hurt it to where it would affect the grade, even if the > postman drop kicked the box to the door. > > Bruce > > > From: William J Gill > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:04 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay > > > The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium > flat rate box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. > > Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print > your own label, free pickup, free tracking). > > Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a > smaller sized box for much less. > > Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before > the auction close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. > > I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my > two cents worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." > > Bill > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71521	From: Carey Probst	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

Well there was this guy selling BMW performance chips for $1.00 buy it now with $395.00 shipping. I guess that was his way to get around the fee for the purchase when they didn't get a piece of the shipping. My theory with Ebay is the same as with any web site. If the shipping seems ridiculous, don't buy the item and tell them why But do be careful with total price. I've noticed a lot of items on Amazon where the total is the same or close but some include 'free' shipping while others charge a lower price and add shipping. Carey (Who would like to see Mike Marmer come back to the list) Carey Probst Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 2/9/2013 12:17 AM, racin510 wrote: > > Who's got the best Ebay shipping rip-off story? My latest is a guy > charging me $5.50 to ship a switch cap, for which I paid $4.50! And he > totally irrationalized it. Oh yea he sent it First Class in a little > box. And oh yea I left feedback that he didn't like at all! > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > anormal1@... wrote: > > > > First class stops at 13oz and/or 3/4'thick or thicker. But you can > still > > ship it Priority mail cheaper than the med. flat rate, if you wrap > it right. > > You can even use the reg. Priority mail box & cut it down. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2013 9:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > wjbillgill@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium > flat rate > > box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. > > > > Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print your own > > label, free pickup, free tracking). > > > > Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller > sized > > box for much less. > > > > Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before the > auction > > close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. > > > > I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my two cents > > worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71522	From: pete.henningsen	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

I beg to differ; Rule states; "Up to 13 oz. & 84" in combined length & girth" for First Class pkg. Regards, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... Date: Saturday, February 9, 2013 9:11 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > But it still must be less than 3/4' or thinner Mike > > > In a message dated 2/8/2013 8:54:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > amerflyerwanted@... writes: > > First Class for this item (13 oz. or less) would be MUCH > cheaper than > Parcel Post. > Pete Henningsen > Milford, Ct. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bruce DeGailler Sr > Date: Friday, February 8, 2013 5:03 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > > 2013 Greenberg guide has this gray 631, which I liberally > grade > > in Fair condition at best, for $29.00 (if you deduct 90% of > the > > price of a similar car in EX condition). > > > > That said, I wouldn�t even insure the car and would send it > by > > the cheapest method possible, Parcel Post. You sure as heck > > couldn�t hurt it to where it would affect the grade, even if > the > > postman drop kicked the box to the door. > > > > Bruce > > > > > > From: William J Gill > > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:04 AM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered > on Ebay > > > > > > The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, > medium > > flat rate box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. > > > > Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print > > your own label, free pickup, free tracking). > > > > Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a > > smaller sized box for much less. > > > > Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before > > the auction close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. > > > > I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my > > two cents worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71523	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

On 2/8/2013 10:43 PM, Robert Graves wrote: > First Class is only limited to 3/4 inch thickness if you're using an > envelope (padded or not). I ship single cars first class in a box all > the time. > I mail 4 x 4 x 4 boxes weighing under 13 ounces via first class mail often. I've even handed them to the clerks and asked for first class mail with no questions asked as long as it is under 13 ounces. They do have a different rate for packages vs envelopes and I think that is what you are referring to. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71524	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: MRH & MR

This morning I received an e-mail from Model Railroader magazine touting the new features in the digital version of the magazine.  I presume this is a response to Model Railroad Hobbyist magazines new "Gen 2" format, along with MRH's growing readership. I don't think MR is in danger of going under, but I do wonder how long they can charge $29 a year when the competitions magazine is free.. http://mrr.trains.com/digitaleditions http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/ Brady Sent from my Kindle Fire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71525	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" continues

Great article!  I'm starting to accumulate some shells.  Soon I'll give it a try. Neil in Oregon --- On Thu, 2/7/13, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] "Project Atlantic" continues To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013, 10:00 AM   Part Six of the Stumpy's Station "Project Atlantic" series is posted on http://myflyertrains.org which is Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website. Chuck has been kind enough to allow yet another of my kit bashing and scratchbuilding missives to run there. In this installment, we do the most serious kit bashing of the project series by replacing the Wooten firebox of the Atlantic with one from the plastic "280 series" Pacific! This changes the look of the locomotive completely and makes the design more palatable to those not modeling Eastern coal roads like the Reading or Jersey Central. This is a major step most folks may not want to try, but I included it for those brave souls who have the desire and extra loco shells on hand for the bash. Enjoy! Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71526	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

I stand corrected on the 3/4 inch rule. It is for envelopes, Mike In a message dated 2/9/2013 9:20:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, gwcohn@... writes: On 2/8/2013 10:43 PM, Robert Graves wrote: > First Class is only limited to 3/4 inch thickness if you're using an > envelope (padded or not). I ship single cars first class in a box all > the time. > I mail 4 x 4 x 4 boxes weighing under 13 ounces via first class mail often. I've even handed them to the clerks and asked for first class mail with no questions asked as long as it is under 13 ounces. They do have a different rate for packages vs envelopes and I think that is what you are referring to. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71527	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

E-Bay now charges a percentage of the shipping also, in their final value fees. Mike PS: I stand corrected on the 3/4 inch rule In a message dated 2/9/2013 9:19:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, s-scale@... writes: Well there was this guy selling BMW performance chips for $1.00 buy it now with $395.00 shipping. I guess that was his way to get around the fee for the purchase when they didn't get a piece of the shipping. My theory with Ebay is the same as with any web site. If the shipping seems ridiculous, don't buy the item and tell them why But do be careful with total price. I've noticed a lot of items on Amazon where the total is the same or close but some include 'free' shipping while others charge a lower price and add shipping. Carey (Who would like to see Mike Marmer come back to the list) Carey Probst Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 2/9/2013 12:17 AM, racin510 wrote: > > Who's got the best Ebay shipping rip-off story? My latest is a guy > charging me $5.50 to ship a switch cap, for which I paid $4.50! And he > totally irrationalized it. Oh yea he sent it First Class in a little > box. And oh yea I left feedback that he didn't like at all! > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > anormal1@... wrote: > > > > First class stops at 13oz and/or 3/4'thick or thicker. But you can > still > > ship it Priority mail cheaper than the med. flat rate, if you wrap > it right. > > You can even use the reg. Priority mail box & cut it down. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2013 9:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > wjbillgill@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium > flat rate > > box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. > > > > Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print your own > > label, free pickup, free tracking). > > > > Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller > sized > > box for much less. > > > > Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before the > auction > > close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. > > > > I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my two cents > > worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71528	From: mleahy68	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: A.F. items to trade or sell

I have 7 American Flyer milk cans with the black metal base, and 4 black metal cubes for the Baggage Loading Platform #775. Would like to trade for the milk cans that go with the 25019 Gilbert Milk unloading box car. Also looking for a 901 N.P. coach car in C-6 condition, and also a 21922 M.P.(powered)diesel. Contact me at the email address below. Thanks, Mike Leahy gmichael.leahy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71529	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/9/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

Wouldn't work now. eBay changed the fee system because of crooks like that one and the fees are now based on selling price plus shipping price.Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:57:43 -0500 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay Well there was this guy selling BMW performance chips for $1.00 buy it now with $395.00 shipping. I guess that was his way to get around the fee for the purchase when they didn't get a piece of the shipping. My theory with Ebay is the same as with any web site. If the shipping seems ridiculous, don't buy the item and tell them why But do be careful with total price. I've noticed a lot of items on Amazon where the total is the same or close but some include 'free' shipping while others charge a lower price and add shipping. Carey (Who would like to see Mike Marmer come back to the list) Carey Probst Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 2/9/2013 12:17 AM, racin510 wrote: > > Who's got the best Ebay shipping rip-off story? My latest is a guy > charging me $5.50 to ship a switch cap, for which I paid $4.50! And he > totally irrationalized it. Oh yea he sent it First Class in a little > box. And oh yea I left feedback that he didn't like at all! > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , > anormal1@... wrote: > > > > First class stops at 13oz and/or 3/4'thick or thicker. But you can > still > > ship it Priority mail cheaper than the med. flat rate, if you wrap > it right > > You can even use the reg. Priority mail box & cut it down. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 2/8/2013 9:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > wjbillgill@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium > flat rate > > box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. > > > > Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print your own > > label, free pickup, free tracking). > > > > Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller > sized > > box for much less. > > > > Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before the > auction > > close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. > > > > I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my two cents > > worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrainsorg/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/join (Yahoo! ID required) To change settings via email: S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoocom/info/terms/ %40yahoogroups.com>---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71530	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: MRH & MR

I suspect that in the case of MR, it is because they are so heavily supported by advertising, and a portion of the costs are offset by sales of their other publications. MR itself is a "catalog" for the many advertisers and for their own additional print and electronic publications. This is similar to the old gas station way of making a profit. The gasoline itself created very little revenue, but got the customer into the place where you could then sell him oil, tires, batteries, wipers, and so on, which DID have a decent profit margin. As it is, "print" is dying a slow and painful death because it's hard to beat the FREE concept of the Internet. To ignore the computer would seem to be a fatal error for any publisher in the print world these days. On the other hand, it's often inconvenient to use a screen at the work bench or when you're trying to "read yourself to sleep" and real hard when the power goes out. So printed matter sure ain't dead yet! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71531	From: Timboy	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Alan, A latching relay is a kind of relay that stays in whatever position it goes to once power is applied and released to it's coil - kinda like a reverse unit. They can be very useful to activate certain things and can be thought of as electronic on/off switches. A momentary relay will revert back to it's resting position once power is removed from it's coil. Someone else may have a better explanation. I used a Flyer switch, mounted under the table, as a latching relay once-upon-a-time. When a loco hit a track trip, it threw the switch. Since I had one leg of a circuit routed through the rails with the switch button set for 2-train operation, one route closed the circuit and the other route opened it. I used it to lower the arm on a crossing gate. Since the switch "latched" into a position, the crossing gate stayed down and didn't bounce until a loco hit another track trip and activated the switch again to it's other route, opening the circuit and letting the crossing gate arm go back up. Simple. I could have used a modern latching relay to do the same thing. However, this way satisfied my urge to use a vintage component in a novel way - much like you are planning to do with a reverse unit. Hope this helps. -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Smith wrote: > > Tim, > > HUM, I¹m not familiar with anything in modern latching units. Enlighten an > old man. The only limit is the space required as it will be inside Flyer > rolling stock. > > Regards, > A > > On 2/6/13 10:52 AM, "Timboy" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan, > > > > I suspect you are referring to the American Flyer mechanical reverse unit. > > "E-unit" is a Lionel term for a similar product and is often mistakenly used > > for Flyer reverse units. I understand that Lionel now owns American Flyer, > > but those units are vintage stock that was manufactured by the AC Gilbert > > factory prior to their closure and they are what they are. > > > > I wonder if two modern latching units wired in series would provide you with a > > more reliable staggered output. If so, you wouldn't have to worry about the > > possible constant maintenance required on old reverse units. Of course, some > > of them still do work remarkably well and if you have one that does - then you > > are in business. > > > > I understand and admire your desire to use vintage components in a kit-bashing > > project. That would be my first inclination, as well. Sometimes it's cool to > > take a novel approach because we can. I once used Flyer switches as latching > > relays under the table. I simply wired my circuits through their rails. Talk > > about a novel approach! > > > > Good luck on your project!!!!!! > > > > -Tim > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , Alan > > Smith wrote: > >> > > >> > Mark, > >> > This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to > >> > act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying > >> to > >> > use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever reason. > >> > Whether it¡¯s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor > >> > circuit or not. I¡¯d rather not say what I¡¯m trying to build right now > >> until > >> > I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for ¡°S¡± but > >> > rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The > >> > difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output power during > >> > one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words one out > >> of > >> > the four ¡°off and on¡± cycles. > >> > > >> > It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track > >> > sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate anywhere on > >> > the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every > >> > forth cycle of input power -- Now we¡¯re talking? > >> > > >> > I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. > >> > > >> > Alan > >> > > >> > > >> > On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "Manderman@" wrote: > >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Alan, > >>> > > > >>> > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit > >>> like > >>> > > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a > >>> "latching" > >>> > > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the hassles of the > >>> > > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a > >>> circuit > >>> > > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of juice. You > >>> could > >>> > > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, pressure track > >>> > > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. > >>> > > > >>> > > Mark Anderman > >>> > > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > > From: "Alan Smith" alansmith@ > > >>> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM > >>> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group > >>> > > > >>> > > Guys, > >>> > > > >>> > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. > >>> > > > >>> > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something > >>> else > >>> > > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with that tender. > >>> > > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ©øon to off©÷ much like > >>> that of > >>> > > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- > >>> drum > >>> > > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. > >>> > > Can it be done? > >>> > > > >>> > > Old guy Alan Smith > >>> > > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71532	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71533	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm

Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert   --- On Sun, 2/10/13, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 2:01 PM #yiv352007087 a {color:#0066CC;text-decoration:none;} #yiv352007087 body {text-align:center;font-family:Arial;} #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087propertyname{text-align:right;font-size:13px;color:7A8180;vertical-align:top;white-space:nowrap;} #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087propertyvalue{text-align:left;font-size:13px;vertical-align:top;} #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087divider{width:5px;} #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main {background-color:#4D94DB;width:525px;padding:0 0 10px 0;margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main_info {background-color:white;margin:0px 10px 0px 10px;clear:both;zoom:1;width:505px;} #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087header_images {height:55px;margin-left:10px;margin-right:10px;zoom:1;} #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087header_yahoo_image {margin-top:13px;float:left;width:274px;background-repeat:no-repeat;height:28px;text-align:left;} #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087header_second_image {margin-top:10px;float:right;width:60px;height:38px;} #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087header_spacer {height:10px;} #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087line_divider {height:20px;clear:both;} #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087copyright_footer {font-size:10px;} #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main_table{padding:0;border-spacing:0;margin:15px 10px 10px 15px;} #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087tip_footer {font-size:10px;text-align:center;} #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087clear_line{font-size:8px;} Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 10, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder optionsCopyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71534	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: 24579

Mark, That supposedly is what it should have contained, the 24579 and 4 straight tracks. Are you sure the car, in a plain white box that Gilbert would have used or wrapped in paper minus the box, and four straight tracks would not fit in the box you have? A rerailer, with it’s box, would only be slightly smaller. What are the dimensions of the box? If the box is indeed too small to fit the bare minimum car and 4 tracks, Gilbert has been known to use containers in different combinations. That said, the TM book may be incorrect as well. At any rate, I would be interested in the dimensions of the 26426 box. Bruce DeGailler Sr. From: Mark Speichert Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71535	From: Herbert	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm

It should also have a #730 bumper> This should help: A F Accessory Pack <http://www.ebay.com/itm/A-F-Track-Accessory-Pack-26426-/140909420214?_t\ rksid=p2047675.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.CURRENT%26ao%3D\ 1%26asc%3D13%26meid%3D5132920686961742060%26pid%3D100012%26prg%3D1014%26\ rk%3D2%26sd%3D140904320438%26> Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Speichert wrote: > > Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert > > --- On Sun, 2/10/13, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 2:01 PM > > > > > > > > > #yiv352007087 a {color:#0066CC;text-decoration:none;} > #yiv352007087 body {text-align:center;font-family:Arial;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087propertyname{text-align:right;font-size:13px;color:7A8180;v\ ertical-align:top;white-space:nowrap;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087propertyvalue{text-align:left;font-size:13px;vertical-align\ :top;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087divider{width:5px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main {background-color:#4D94DB;width:525px;padding:0 0 10px 0;margin-bottom:10px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main_info {background-color:white;margin:0px 10px 0px 10px;clear:both;zoom:1;width:505px;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087header_images {height:55px;margin-left:10px;margin-right:10px;zoom:1;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087header_yahoo_image {margin-top:13px;float:left;width:274px;background-repeat:no-repeat;heig\ ht:28px;text-align:left;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087header_second_image {margin-top:10px;float:right;width:60px;height:38px;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087header_spacer {height:10px;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087line_divider {height:20px;clear:both;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087copyright_footer {font-size:10px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main_table{padding:0;border-spacing:0;margin:15px 10px 10px 15px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087tip_footer {font-size:10px;text-align:center;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087clear_line{font-size:8px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reminder from: > > S-Trains Yahoo! Group > > > > Title: > > SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > > > > Date: > > Sunday February 10, 2013 > > Time: > > 5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) > > Location: > > http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > > Notes: > > SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm > > > > > Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group > > Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > > Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 > Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am > Repeats: This event repeats every week. > Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM > > > > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > Edit reminder optionsCopyright © 2013 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71536	From: mike rosz	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: 1946 coal dump

how do I hook it up?  I have the track.  which has two binding posts! ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay   First Class is only limited to 3/4 inch thickness if you're using an envelope (padded or not). I ship single cars first class in a box all the time. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ________________________________ From: "mailto:anormal1%40aol.com" mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay   First class stops at 13oz and/or 3/4'thick or thicker. But you can still ship it Priority mail cheaper than the med. flat rate, if you wrap it right. You can even use the reg. Priority mail box & cut it down. Mike in Ore In a message dated 2/8/2013 9:58:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mailto:wjbillgill%40comcast.net writes: The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium flat rate box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print your own label, free pickup, free tracking). Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller sized box for much less. Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before the auction close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my two cents worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71537	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm

Herb, I notice that there appears to be a factory-affixed white label with the number “26426” on it over where the factory would just stamp the information right on the box with no label. Could this be the factory using a different stamped box and affixing the label over a different stamped number? Also, could there be another accessory pack with the number 26426, such as the one listed in the TM price guide of 2012? Bruce From: Herbert Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm It should also have a #730 bumper> This should help: A F Accessory Pack http://www.ebay.com/itm/A-F-Track-Accessory-Pack-26426-/140909420214?_t\ rksid=p2047675.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.CURRENT%26ao%3D\ 1%26asc%3D13%26meid%3D5132920686961742060%26pid%3D100012%26prg%3D1014%26\ rk%3D2%26sd%3D140904320438%26> Herb Wasserman --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Mark Speichert wrote: > > Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert > > --- On Sun, 2/10/13, mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 2:01 PM > > > > > > > > > #yiv352007087 a {color:#0066CC;text-decoration:none;} > #yiv352007087 body {text-align:center;font-family:Arial;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087propertyname{text-align:right;font-size:13px;color:7A8180;v\ ertical-align:top;white-space:nowrap;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087propertyvalue{text-align:left;font-size:13px;vertical-align\ :top;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087divider{width:5px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main {background-color:#4D94DB;width:525px;padding:0 0 10px 0;margin-bottom:10px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main_info {background-color:white;margin:0px 10px 0px 10px;clear:both;zoom:1;width:505px;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087header_images {height:55px;margin-left:10px;margin-right:10px;zoom:1;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087header_yahoo_image {margin-top:13px;float:left;width:274px;background-repeat:no-repeat;heig\ ht:28px;text-align:left;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087header_second_image {margin-top:10px;float:right;width:60px;height:38px;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087header_spacer {height:10px;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087line_divider {height:20px;clear:both;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087copyright_footer {font-size:10px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main_table{padding:0;border-spacing:0;margin:15px 10px 10px 15px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087tip_footer {font-size:10px;text-align:center;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087clear_line{font-size:8px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reminder from: > > S-Trains Yahoo! Group > > > > Title: > > SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > > > > Date: > > Sunday February 10, 2013 > > Time: > > 5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) > > Location: > > http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > > Notes: > > SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm > > > > > Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group > > Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > > Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 > Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am > Repeats: This event repeats every week. > Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM > > > > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > Edit reminder optionsCopyright © 2013 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71538	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: 24579

Bruce,the box is 2'' tall,21/4' wide by 111/2 long.Now I will admit the car would fit. If it were wrapped seperatly and all the parts seperated around the box.But why put 4 peices of track and this car? Thanks Mark --- On Sun, 2/10/13, Bruce DeGailler Sr <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 24579 To: Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 4:43 PM   Mark, That supposedly is what it should have contained, the 24579 and 4 straight tracks. Are you sure the car, in a plain white box that Gilbert would have used or wrapped in paper minus the box, and four straight tracks would not fit in the box you have? A rerailer, with it’s box, would only be slightly smaller. What are the dimensions of the box? If the box is indeed too small to fit the bare minimum car and 4 tracks, Gilbert has been known to use containers in different combinations. That said, the TM book may be incorrect as well. At any rate, I would be interested in the dimensions of the 26426 box. Bruce DeGailler Sr. From: Mark Speichert Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71539	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm

Are you asying that it should have the 4 peices of track the rerailer and a bumper along with the car? Thanks Mark --- On Sun, 2/10/13, Herbert <hwass@...> wrote: From: Herbert <hwass@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 6:28 PM   It should also have a #730 bumper> This should help: A F Accessory Pack http://www.ebay.com/itm/A-F-Track-Accessory-Pack-26426-/140909420214?_t\ rksid=p2047675.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.CURRENT%26ao%3D\ 1%26asc%3D13%26meid%3D5132920686961742060%26pid%3D100012%26prg%3D1014%26\ rk%3D2%26sd%3D140904320438%26> Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Speichert wrote: > > Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert > > --- On Sun, 2/10/13, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 2:01 PM > > > > > > > > > #yiv352007087 a {color:#0066CC;text-decoration:none;} > #yiv352007087 body {text-align:center;font-family:Arial;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087propertyname{text-align:right;font-size:13px;color:7A8180;v\ ertical-align:top;white-space:nowrap;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087propertyvalue{text-align:left;font-size:13px;vertical-align\ :top;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087divider{width:5px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main {background-color:#4D94DB;width:525px;padding:0 0 10px 0;margin-bottom:10px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main_info {background-color:white;margin:0px 10px 0px 10px;clear:both;zoom:1;width:505px;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087header_images {height:55px;margin-left:10px;margin-right:10px;zoom:1;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087header_yahoo_image {margin-top:13px;float:left;width:274px;background-repeat:no-repeat;heig\ ht:28px;text-align:left;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087header_second_image {margin-top:10px;float:right;width:60px;height:38px;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087header_spacer {height:10px;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087line_divider {height:20px;clear:both;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087copyright_footer {font-size:10px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main_table{padding:0;border-spacing:0;margin:15px 10px 10px 15px;} > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087tip_footer {font-size:10px;text-align:center;} > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087clear_line{font-size:8px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reminder from: > > S-Trains Yahoo! Group > > > > Title: > > SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > > > > Date: > > Sunday February 10, 2013 > > Time: > > 5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) > > Location: > > http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > > Notes: > > SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm > > > > > Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group > > Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > > Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 > Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am > Repeats: This event repeats every week. > Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM > > > > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > Edit reminder optionsCopyright © 2013 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71540	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: 24579

Mark, you got me regarding the track. Some of these accessory packs didn’t make much sense. But you’re right – the car would fit, with the accessories that go with it wrapped separately from the car. Bruce From: Mark Speichert Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 24579 Bruce,the box is 2'' tall,21/4' wide by 111/2 long.Now I will admit the car would fit. If it were wrapped seperatly and all the parts seperated around the box.But why put 4 peices of track and this car? Thanks Mark --- On Sun, 2/10/13, Bruce DeGailler Sr mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net> wrote: From: Bruce DeGailler Sr mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 24579 To: Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 4:43 PM Mark, That supposedly is what it should have contained, the 24579 and 4 straight tracks. Are you sure the car, in a plain white box that Gilbert would have used or wrapped in paper minus the box, and four straight tracks would not fit in the box you have? A rerailer, with it’s box, would only be slightly smaller. What are the dimensions of the box? If the box is indeed too small to fit the bare minimum car and 4 tracks, Gilbert has been known to use containers in different combinations. That said, the TM book may be incorrect as well. At any rate, I would be interested in the dimensions of the 26426 box. Bruce DeGailler Sr. From: Mark Speichert Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:11 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71541	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: Question to the S scale group

Tim, Thanks for your reply. I¹ve got it figured out. All is good! Cheers Al On 2/10/13 8:31 AM, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > > > > Alan, > > A latching relay is a kind of relay that stays in whatever position it goes to > once power is applied and released to it's coil - kinda like a reverse unit. > They can be very useful to activate certain things and can be thought of as > electronic on/off switches. A momentary relay will revert back to it's > resting position once power is removed from it's coil. Someone else may have > a better explanation. > > I used a Flyer switch, mounted under the table, as a latching relay > once-upon-a-time. When a loco hit a track trip, it threw the switch. Since I > had one leg of a circuit routed through the rails with the switch button set > for 2-train operation, one route closed the circuit and the other route opened > it. I used it to lower the arm on a crossing gate. Since the switch > "latched" into a position, the crossing gate stayed down and didn't bounce > until a loco hit another track trip and activated the switch again to it's > other route, opening the circuit and letting the crossing gate arm go back up. > Simple. I could have used a modern latching relay to do the same thing. > However, this way satisfied my urge to use a vintage component in a novel way > - much like you are planning to do with a reverse unit. > > Hope this helps. > -Tim > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Alan > Smith wrote: >> > >> > Tim, >> > >> > HUM, I¹m not familiar with anything in modern latching units. Enlighten >> an >> > old man. The only limit is the space required as it will be inside Flyer >> > rolling stock. >> > >> > Regards, >> > A >> > >> > On 2/6/13 10:52 AM, "Timboy" wrote: >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Alan, >>> > > >>> > > I suspect you are referring to the American Flyer mechanical reverse >>> unit. >>> > > "E-unit" is a Lionel term for a similar product and is often mistakenly >>> used >>> > > for Flyer reverse units. I understand that Lionel now owns American >>> Flyer, >>> > > but those units are vintage stock that was manufactured by the AC >>> Gilbert >>> > > factory prior to their closure and they are what they are. >>> > > >>> > > I wonder if two modern latching units wired in series would provide you >>> with a >>> > > more reliable staggered output. If so, you wouldn't have to worry about the >>> > > possible constant maintenance required on old reverse units. Of course, >>> some >>> > > of them still do work remarkably well and if you have one that does - >>> then you >>> > > are in business. >>> > > >>> > > I understand and admire your desire to use vintage components in a >>> kit-bashing >>> > > project. That would be my first inclination, as well. Sometimes it's >>> cool to >>> > > take a novel approach because we can. I once used Flyer switches as >>> latching >>> > > relays under the table. I simply wired my circuits through their rails. >>> Talk >>> > > about a novel approach! >>> > > >>> > > Good luck on your project!!!!!! >>> > > >>> > > -Tim >>> > > >>> > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , >>> Alan >>> > > Smith wrote: >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Mark, >>>>> > >> > This is going to be a rolling stock thing and part of a consist. It has to >>>>> > >> > act like the four position E -unit in function. My early test with trying >>>> > >> to >>>>> > >> > use the free standing E-unit was not successful for whatever >>>>> reason. >>>>> > >> > Whether it¡¯s my ignorance of how the e-unit works back thru the motor >>>>> > >> > circuit or not. I¡¯d rather not say what I¡¯m trying to build >>>>> right now >>>> > >> until >>>>> > >> > I see if it can be done. This will not be a standard item for >>>>> ¡°S¡± but >>>>> > >> > rather a little bashing to make something new out of something old. The >>>>> > >> > difficulty with this brain storm is it can only supply output >>>>> power during >>>>> > >> > one of the sequence, similar to that of an E-unit. In other words >>>>> one out >>>> > >> of >>>>> > >> > the four ¡°off and on¡± cycles. >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > It can only operate from transformer controlled track power. Trips, track >>>>> > >> > sensors, push button, etc. will not work as this must operate >>>>> anywhere on >>>>> > >> > the layout. IF they make a latching relay that will have an output every >>>>> > >> > forth cycle of input power -- Now we¡¯re talking? >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > I hate to be vague but bare with me on this as imagination is at work. >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Alan >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > On 2/6/13 1:47 AM, "Manderman@" wrote: >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Alan, >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > I'm no electrical wizard... but, I'm pretty sure you could use an E-unit >>>>> > >>> like >>>>>>> > >>> > > you suggest. My question is why would you want to. You could use a >>>>> > >>> "latching" >>>>>>> > >>> > > relay that can be purchased for under $5.00 and avoid the >>>>>>> hassles of the >>>>>>> > >>> > > e-unit. There are "latching" relays that work to open and close a >>>>> > >>> circuit >>>>>>> > >>> > > alternately each time the relay is given a momentary shot of >>>>>>> juice. You >>>>> > >>> could >>>>>>> > >>> > > use these relays in combination with regular track trips, >>>>>>> pressure track >>>>>>> > >>> > > trips. magnetic reed switches or a push button. >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Mark Anderman >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> > >>> > > From: "Alan Smith" alansmith@ > >>>>>>> > >>> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 6:05:28 PM >>>>>>> > >>> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Question to the S scale group >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Guys, >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Question to the electrical wizards out there. >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > What If a person wanted to arrange a tender E-unit to operate something >>>>> > >>> else >>>>>>> > >>> > > i.e. a light, bell ,etc. without an engine associated with >>>>>>> that tender. >>>>>>> > >>> > > Using the E-unit like a switch to change from ©øon to off©÷ much like >>>>> > >>> that of >>>>>>> > >>> > > an engine sequence. The widget thing would only get power when the E- >>>>> > >>> drum >>>>>>> > >>> > > was on one particular segment or phase. Still remaining with AC power. >>>>>>> > >>> > > Can it be done? >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Old guy Alan Smith >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>> > >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71542	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/10/2013
Subject: Re: MRH & MR

Would that it were only $29. Last I saw they are asking 42.95 a year for the digital edition, which I think is the same as a print subscription, and 54.95 if you want both print and digital. Digital certainly makes saving old issue a lot less of a space burden. Dale On 2/9/2013 8:49 AM, Brady Burdge wrote: > > This morning I received an e-mail from Model Railroader magazine > touting the new features in the digital version of the magazine. I > presume this is a response to Model Railroad Hobbyist magazines new > "Gen 2" format, along with MRH's growing readership. > > I don't think MR is in danger of going under, but I do wonder how long > they can charge $29 a year when the competitions magazine is free.. > > http://mrr.trains.com/digitaleditions > > http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/ > > Brady > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71543	From: Herbert	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm

It doesn't seem logical to me that a car would be included in an accessory pack. but, I've been wrong before. Herb --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Speichert wrote: > > Are you asying that it should have the 4 peices of track the rerailer and a bumper > along with the car? Thanks Mark > --- On Sun, 2/10/13, Herbert wrote: > > > From: Herbert > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 6:28 PM > > > >   > > > > It should also have a #730 bumper> > This should help: > > A F Accessory Pack > http://www.ebay.com/itm/A-F-Track-Accessory-Pack-26426-/140909420214?_t\ > rksid=p2047675.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.CURRENT%26ao%3D\ > 1%26asc%3D13%26meid%3D5132920686961742060%26pid%3D100012%26prg%3D1014%26\ > rk%3D2%26sd%3D140904320438%26> > > Herb Wasserman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mark Speichert wrote: > > > > Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the > number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the > box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer > in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it > but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright > tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert > > > > --- On Sun, 2/10/13, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/10/2013, 5:00 pm > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 2:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #yiv352007087 a {color:#0066CC;text-decoration:none;} > > #yiv352007087 body {text-align:center;font-family:Arial;} > > #yiv352007087 > .yiv352007087propertyname{text-align:right;font-size:13px;color:7A8180;v\ > ertical-align:top;white-space:nowrap;} > > #yiv352007087 > .yiv352007087propertyvalue{text-align:left;font-size:13px;vertical-align\ > :top;} > > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087divider{width:5px;} > > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main > {background-color:#4D94DB;width:525px;padding:0 0 10px > 0;margin-bottom:10px;} > > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087main_info > {background-color:white;margin:0px 10px 0px > 10px;clear:both;zoom:1;width:505px;} > > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087header_images > {height:55px;margin-left:10px;margin-right:10px;zoom:1;} > > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087header_yahoo_image > {margin-top:13px;float:left;width:274px;background-repeat:no-repeat;heig\ > ht:28px;text-align:left;} > > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087header_second_image > {margin-top:10px;float:right;width:60px;height:38px;} > > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087header_spacer {height:10px;} > > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087line_divider {height:20px;clear:both;} > > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087copyright_footer {font-size:10px;} > > #yiv352007087 > #yiv352007087main_table{padding:0;border-spacing:0;margin:15px 10px 10px > 15px;} > > #yiv352007087 #yiv352007087tip_footer > {font-size:10px;text-align:center;} > > #yiv352007087 .yiv352007087clear_line{font-size:8px;} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reminder from: > > > > S-Trains Yahoo! Group > > > > > > > > Title: > > > > SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > Sunday February 10, 2013 > > > > Time: > > > > 5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) > > > > Location: > > > > http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > > > > Notes: > > > > SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm > > > > > > > > > > Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group > > > > Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > > > > Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 > > Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am > > Repeats: This event repeats every week. > > Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > > Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM > > > > > > > > > > Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. > > Edit reminder optionsCopyright © 2013 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights > Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71544	From: lionely6b	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: 26426

Mark, According to my copy of the Maury Romer notes, the 26426 should contain "multi-purpose car plus track". Given the size of the pictured box, the 24579 (wrapped in brown paper) and one or two pieces of track would fit. I believe the that the error in the guide might be the number of pieces of 700's. The Romer notes have proven to be very accurate over the years -- from THE source, so to speak. Thanks for the input. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/11/2013 4:25:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71545	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: FW: COSG Layout Setup and Work session

List, A friend is planning on installing a non-powered catenary system on one of my S-Scale tracks, so the GG-1 will look good. Does anyone have any experience or suggestions on a good product, method, etc. - Alan Evans o Gahanna, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71546	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: 26426

Smart move, Bob. I didn’t think to check my Romer checklists. I also have all three he offered back in the mid 70s. They are VERY accurate. Bruce From: rbubeck327@... Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 26426 Mark, According to my copy of the Maury Romer notes, the 26426 should contain "multi-purpose car plus track". Given the size of the pictured box, the 24579 (wrapped in brown paper) and one or two pieces of track would fit. I believe the that the error in the guide might be the number of pieces of 700's. The Romer notes have proven to be very accurate over the years -- from THE source, so to speak. Thanks for the input. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/11/2013 4:25:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com writes: Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71547	From: lionely6b	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: More on 26426 - the contents.

Mark, I have double checked my personal notes, as well as the Maury Romer notes. Fellow collector Fred Lewis owns a mint 26426 and it does indeed contain four 700's and a 24579. If one "nests" the track sections tie to tie and rail to rail there is sufficient space for the flat and load. The containers would be laid on their sides and the various load pieces placed on the flat with the open ends of the containers cupping them at the ends in a fashion similar to what is observed for clear pack 24579's. A bit tight, allowing a bit of space for the brown wrapping paper. The indicated contents in the 2012 TM AF guide are correct. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/11/2013 4:25:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71548	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: FW: COSG Layout Setup and Work session

I would investigate Marklin HO catenary - it's sort of snap together, and with a bit of a base on each pole just might work. Jeff Madden On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Alan Evans <alan@...>wrote: > ** > > > List, > > A friend is planning on installing a non-powered catenary system on one of > my S-Scale tracks, so the GG-1 will look good. Does anyone have any > experience or suggestions on a good product, method, etc. > > - Alan Evans > > o Gahanna, Ohio > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71549	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: More on 26426 - the contents.

Bob, This backs up my concerns about the original box with the paper label yesterday, I believe. Sometimes, Gilbert would use existing inventory (in this case, boxes) to distribute their accessory boxes. It would make sense. The company was very frugal and stranger things have turned up from the factory in the past. Bruce DeGailler From: rbubeck327@... Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: More on 26426 - the contents. Mark, I have double checked my personal notes, as well as the Maury Romer notes. Fellow collector Fred Lewis owns a mint 26426 and it does indeed contain four 700's and a 24579. If one "nests" the track sections tie to tie and rail to rail there is sufficient space for the flat and load. The containers would be laid on their sides and the various load pieces placed on the flat with the open ends of the containers cupping them at the ends in a fashion similar to what is observed for clear pack 24579's. A bit tight, allowing a bit of space for the brown wrapping paper. The indicated contents in the 2012 TM AF guide are correct. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/11/2013 4:25:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com writes: Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71550	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/11/2013
Subject: Re: More on 26426 - the contents.

Hello,I wist to thank you all for the information it has been very helpful.Best wishes Mark. --- On Mon, 2/11/13, Bruce DeGailler Sr <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: More on 26426 - the contents. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 11, 2013, 10:26 PM   Bob, This backs up my concerns about the original box with the paper label yesterday, I believe. Sometimes, Gilbert would use existing inventory (in this case, boxes) to distribute their accessory boxes. It would make sense. The company was very frugal and stranger things have turned up from the factory in the past. Bruce DeGailler From: rbubeck327@... Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: More on 26426 - the contents. Mark, I have double checked my personal notes, as well as the Maury Romer notes. Fellow collector Fred Lewis owns a mint 26426 and it does indeed contain four 700's and a 24579. If one "nests" the track sections tie to tie and rail to rail there is sufficient space for the flat and load. The containers would be laid on their sides and the various load pieces placed on the flat with the open ends of the containers cupping them at the ends in a fashion similar to what is observed for clear pack 24579's. A bit tight, allowing a bit of space for the brown wrapping paper. The indicated contents in the 2012 TM AF guide are correct. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 2/11/2013 4:25:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com writes: Hello,I have a question for the group.I have a Accesory box with the number on it of 26426.I would like to know what might have gone into the box.I can tell you that there were four straight tracks and a rerailer in it when I got it.TM book said that it should have a 24579 car in it but it would not have fit into this box along with four staright tracks.Any info will be helpful. Thanks Mark Speichert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71551	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/12/2013
Subject: TMCC cab 1 Repair

My cab I died after 10 years of use, For any one still using the old TMCC, like me, I found a company that repairs the cab 1 very reasonable. If anyone is interested, E-mail me for the name of the Co. grdobbs@... ____________________________________________________________ NetZero now offers 4G mobile broadband. Sign up now. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71552	From: Steven Allen	Date: 2/12/2013
Subject: Re: FW: COSG Layout Setup and Work session

Alan, There's a person named Weissman (I think his first name is Brian) who lives in northern Ohio (I think possibly No. Olmstead area). He specializes in traction and he sells brass catenary poles and accessories in S Scale. They do require assembly, soldering, etc, and depending on the size of the loop, can be expensive. Just a suggestion. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Madden wrote: > > I would investigate Marklin HO catenary - it's sort of snap together, and > with a bit of a base on each pole just might work. Jeff Madden > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Alan Evans wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > List, > > > > A friend is planning on installing a non-powered catenary system on one of > > my S-Scale tracks, so the GG-1 will look good. Does anyone have any > > experience or suggestions on a good product, method, etc. > > > > - Alan Evans > > > > o Gahanna, Ohio > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71553	From: David	Date: 2/12/2013
Subject: Illuminated AF Marker Lanterns RED & GREEN (Advertisement)

MARCH will be the month we will offer the AF #312 style marker lanterns that have been illuminated with LED's. The price is $9.25 per pair in either RED orb GREEN. Now you can have four (4) lighted green marker lanterns on your AF #312 Pacific frunt and two (2) red ones on the tender. A long time coming but well worth the effort. Please view at our web site. Use the link below to get there. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> Dave At LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71554	From: John	Date: 2/12/2013
Subject: GP-20 Shell removal

I have a "new in the box" Flyonel GP-20 that seems to have a disconnected driveshaft. The motor whines but there doesn't seem to be any mechanical link-up. I want to remove the shell (cab) and inspect and repair. The Flyonel shells don't mount the same as the old Gilbert GP-7's and I don't know which screws to remove to take it off. I hesitate to just use trial & error because the Reverse unit will fall into the engine cavity if I remove the wrong screws. Tom Barker only consults on A.C. Gilbert locos, so I am hoping this group can coach me. Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71555	From: Robert	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Flyer layout bus bars

I would like to run bus bars around a modular layout from a flyer 30E transformer. Can I run four just four wires from the transformer: one base post, one constant 18v post, and the two 5-18V variable posts? Should I jumper the two base posts at the transformer? And do the same with the constant 18V post? Or does it matter? Thanks very much Bob Borowski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71556	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: GP-20 Shell removal

Go to: http://www.mwkiner.com/crane/SF8551.htm I have some pictures of the inside of a GP that might help. MK From: John Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] GP-20 Shell removal I have a "new in the box" Flyonel GP-20 that seems to have a disconnected driveshaft. The motor whines but there doesn't seem to be any mechanical link-up. I want to remove the shell (cab) and inspect and repair. The Flyonel shells don't mount the same as the old Gilbert GP-7's and I don't know which screws to remove to take it off. I hesitate to just use trial & error because the Reverse unit will fall into the engine cavity if I remove the wrong screws. Tom Barker only consults on A.C. Gilbert locos, so I am hoping this group can coach me. Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71557	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer layout bus bars

Bob, I have my layout wired similar to what you describe. I have two 30B transformers. I have one base buss, one 18V buss and three 5- 18V busses. I have the transformers in phase and have a jumper between the base posts from one 30B to the other. I do not have the base posts on each 30B jumped. In your case there is no reason to jumper the two base posts on a single 30B. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > I would like to run bus bars around a modular layout from a flyer 30E transformer. > > Can I run four just four wires from the transformer: one base post, one constant 18v post, and the two 5-18V variable posts? > > Should I jumper the two base posts at the transformer? And do the same with the constant 18V post? Or does it matter? > > Thanks very much > > Bob Borowski >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71558	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: GP-20 Shell removal

I posted the link to the picture, but thought I might add, that there is no drive shaft in the flyonel GP-20. The most likely culprit is the plastic drive worm. These sometimes split with age. You can get a replacement from Doug at Portlines and you are back in business. An alternate solution is to peruse Carl Tuveson’s web site and install the metal finer pitch worm from American models. This does require a ream operation to enlarge the worm ID whereas the nylon part requires nothing more than screwdrivers. MK From: John Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] GP-20 Shell removal I have a "new in the box" Flyonel GP-20 that seems to have a disconnected driveshaft. The motor whines but there doesn't seem to be any mechanical link-up. I want to remove the shell (cab) and inspect and repair. The Flyonel shells don't mount the same as the old Gilbert GP-7's and I don't know which screws to remove to take it off. I hesitate to just use trial & error because the Reverse unit will fall into the engine cavity if I remove the wrong screws. Tom Barker only consults on A.C. Gilbert locos, so I am hoping this group can coach me. Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71559	From: Steve Schwartz	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay

Funny you should mention shipping costs like this. I dealt with one lazy SOB who told me what a hardship it would be for him to not ship with the flat rate box. An absolute jerk! Needless to say, his feedback wasn't very good. On the other hand I had a big transformer shipped from CT to PA for 7 bucks! I think the PO is doing quite well with those flat rate boxes! Steve From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William J Gill Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 12:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The latest rare gray 631 offered on Ebay The shipping costs listed appear to be for priority mail, medium flat rate box plus the ebay commission, FWIW. Easy, convenient, "cheap" for the seller, (free boxes, print your own label, free pickup, free tracking). Something like this item could be shipped First Class in a smaller sized box for much less. Sometimes this can be negotiated with a seller, better before the auction close but sometimes after with a reasonable seller. I apologize if I'm preaching to the choir but this is just my two cents worth. Usual disclaimer, "I'm no expert." Bill ____________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71560	From: Bill Clark	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: American Flyer Y-3 2-8-8-2 running on DCC

I've been working on and testing a new American Flyer Y-3 locomotive for a friend. I liked it so much I picked one up at the Amherst Society train show in Springfield, Mass. It turns out that Lionel has decided to include DCC capability in at least some of the new AF locomotives. The first one to include DCC compatibility right out of the box is the SD70, which is just starting to ship. http://www.lionel.com/Products/Finder/ProductDetail.cfm?ProductNumber=6-42519&Keywords=6-42519 The DCC compatible hardware was ready in time for the Y-3, and was included with that model. The software was not ready, and was left out. The DCC compatible software for the Y-3 is now ready, and can be loaded into the existing boards in the Y-3. American Flyer building DCC compatible locos is a dream I never thought that I would see come true! I have upgraded my Y-3 with the DCC enabled software, and I absolutely love it! I used my Y-3 at an operating session at Tommy Robichaud's great hirail layout last night, and it performed great! The operating session means backing in and out of tight sidings at very slow speed, picking up and dropping cars. The Y-3 looked, sounded, smoked, and ran great! I shot some video which didn't come out as well as I hoped. I'll try to do it again with better lighting and a better tripod. Last nights video is posted here: http://youtu.be/I28Wwb4cTfc Fred Rouse at S Scale Locomotive and Supply is offering a Y-3 scale conversion service which replaces all 32 hirail wheels with NASG RP-25 code 110 contour wheels. As part of the scale conversion process, Fred will also upgrade the software to DCC enabled for a $75 charge. http://www.sscaleloco.com/AF_Scale_Loco_Conversion_Service.htm Fred isn't currently set up to do a standalone software upgrade, so I'm setting up to offer the software only upgrade to hirail folks who don't need the scale conversion. I'm still testing the process, and hope to be ready to go in a week or two. I'd be interested in how many people might want such an upgrade. Regards, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71561	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: GP-20 Shell removal

I have done exactly what you fear, removed the reverse switch by mistake. Do not touch the 2 screws in the immediate vicinity of the reverse switch. The shell screws are at each end and one on each side of the shell. Sometimes, one or more are missing. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > I have a "new in the box" Flyonel GP-20 that seems to have a disconnected driveshaft. The motor whines but there doesn't seem to be any mechanical link-up. I want to remove the shell (cab) and inspect and repair. The Flyonel shells don't mount the same as the old Gilbert GP-7's and I don't know which screws to remove to take it off. I hesitate to just use trial & error because the Reverse unit will fall into the engine cavity if I remove the wrong screws. Tom Barker only consults on A.C. Gilbert locos, so I am hoping this group can coach me. Thanks, John Davis Noblesville IN >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71562	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer layout bus bars

Jumpering the Base Posts and 18V Posts should not be necessary. They're wired in common internally. --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > I would like to run bus bars around a modular layout from a flyer 30E transformer. > > Can I run four just four wires from the transformer: one base post, one constant 18v post, and the two 5-18V variable posts? > > Should I jumper the two base posts at the transformer? And do the same with the constant 18V post? Or does it matter? > > Thanks very much > > Bob Borowski >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71563	From: srgriggs	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Big Boy shorting issue

I found an issue with my Flionel Big Boy tonight where the rear flanged wheel on the 5-axle centipede tender truck could short against a metal stamping that swings with the coupler on right hand curves. I had never seen this issue, because my layout consists primarily of two large mainline ovals, and I had previously run the Big Boy running counterclockwise (left hand curves). The coupler assembly is shown in a great photograph on Carl Tuveson's website here: http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/coupler-repair/coupler-screws.jpg There is a stamped metal piece that swings with the rear coupler and is apparently electrically connected to one side of the centipede truck frame. On my locomotive, it was possible for the rearmost (flanged) wheelset to shift laterally until the inside of the flanged wheel contacted this coupler mount and WHAMMO-dead short! I found several arc burn marks on the inside surface of the rear flanged tender wheel, indicating this has happened before. Tonight, the shorting was severe enough to stall the locomotive and blow the 10 amp fast-acting fuse I have between the PowerMaster and the track. I corrected the issue by swapping the rear two axles on the tender, putting the blind (flangeless) wheelset on the rearmost position, and moving the flanged wheelset up to the next to last position. I see from Carl's website that this swap has also been suggested to improve tender tracking. I love the Flyer Big Boy, but it seems pretty obvious with the Rube Goldberg array of insulators throughout this engine (making it an incredibly complicated and labor-intensive assembly), that Lionel is not very good at designing locomotives for two rail operation!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71564	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/13/2013
Subject: Re: Big Boy shorting issue

From: Alan Lambert          Fort Worth, Texas You need to look at the Challenger and the new Y-3 from Lionel. As far as being scale worthy they are better than the Big Boy. Sure is nice to have Carl around.            Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: srgriggs <sgriggs@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy shorting issue   I found an issue with my Flionel Big Boy tonight where the rear flanged wheel on the 5-axle centipede tender truck could short against a metal stamping that swings with the coupler on right hand curves. I had never seen this issue, because my layout consists primarily of two large mainline ovals, and I had previously run the Big Boy running counterclockwise (left hand curves). The coupler assembly is shown in a great photograph on Carl Tuveson's website here: http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/coupler-repair/coupler-screws.jpg There is a stamped metal piece that swings with the rear coupler and is apparently electrically connected to one side of the centipede truck frame. On my locomotive, it was possible for the rearmost (flanged) wheelset to shift laterally until the inside of the flanged wheel contacted this coupler mount and WHAMMO-dead short! I found several arc burn marks on the inside surface of the rear flanged tender wheel, indicating this has happened before. Tonight, the shorting was severe enough to stall the locomotive and blow the 10 amp fast-acting fuse I have between the PowerMaster and the track. I corrected the issue by swapping the rear two axles on the tender, putting the blind (flangeless) wheelset on the rearmost position, and moving the flanged wheelset up to the next to last position. I see from Carl's website that this swap has also been suggested to improve tender tracking. I love the Flyer Big Boy, but it seems pretty obvious with the Rube Goldberg array of insulators throughout this engine (making it an incredibly complicated and labor-intensive assembly), that Lionel is not very good at designing locomotives for two rail operation! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71565	From: carl4flyer	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Big Boy shorting issue

That stamped metal piece that "Swings" is not supposed to swing! It has come loose. That is your problem. It will eventually short again. This page has the fix: http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/coupler-repair/repairing_the_big_boy_coupler.h tm Carl ________________________________ From: srgriggs sgriggs@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy shorting issue I found an issue with my Flionel Big Boy tonight where the rear flanged wheel on the 5-axle centipede tender truck could short against a metal stamping that swings with the coupler on right hand curves. I had never seen this issue, because my layout consists primarily of two large mainline ovals, and I had previously run the Big Boy running counterclockwise (left hand curves). The coupler assembly is shown in a great photograph on Carl Tuveson's website here: http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/coupler-repair/coupler-screws.jpg There is a stamped metal piece that swings with the rear coupler and is apparently electrically connected to one side of the centipede truck frame. On my locomotive, it was possible for the rearmost (flanged) wheelset to shift laterally until the inside of the flanged wheel contacted this coupler mount and WHAMMO-dead short! I found several arc burn marks on the inside surface of the rear flanged tender wheel, indicating this has happened before. Tonight, the shorting was severe enough to stall the locomotive and blow the 10 amp fast-acting fuse I have between the PowerMaster and the track. I corrected the issue by swapping the rear two axles on the tender, putting the blind (flangeless) wheelset on the rearmost position, and moving the flanged wheelset up to the next to last position. I see from Carl's website that this swap has also been suggested to improve tender tracking. I love the Flyer Big Boy, but it seems pretty obvious with the Rube Goldberg array of insulators throughout this engine (making it an incredibly complicated and labor-intensive assembly), that Lionel is not very good at designing locomotives for two rail operation! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71566	From: David	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Caboose Marker Light Installation (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71567	From: Robert	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer layout bus bars

David and Jeff; Thanks very much! Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Faust" wrote: > > Jumpering the Base Posts and 18V Posts should not be necessary. They're wired in common internally. > > --Jeff > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > > > I would like to run bus bars around a modular layout from a flyer 30E transformer. > > > > Can I run four just four wires from the transformer: one base post, one constant 18v post, and the two 5-18V variable posts? > > > > Should I jumper the two base posts at the transformer? And do the same with the constant 18V post? Or does it matter? > > > > Thanks very much > > > > Bob Borowski > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71568	From: Rich	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer layout bus bars

Out of curiosity - what gauge wire do you use for the buss? I assume these go to terminal blocks spaced around the layout or do you run them as bare (solid?) wire around which you wrap the leads to the accessories, track, etc.? - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Faust" wrote: > > Jumpering the Base Posts and 18V Posts should not be necessary. They're wired in common internally. > > --Jeff > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > > > I would like to run bus bars around a modular layout from a flyer 30E transformer. > > > > Can I run four just four wires from the transformer: one base post, one constant 18v post, and the two 5-18V variable posts? > > > > Should I jumper the two base posts at the transformer? And do the same with the constant 18V post? Or does it matter? > > > > Thanks very much > > > > Bob Borowski > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71569	From: Bill Clark	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Tommy Robichaud's Layout (was Y-3 on DCC)

My video showing the AF Y-3 running on Tommy's layout generated several requests to see more of the layout. Here's a link to a slide show done by Anker Berg-Sonne two years ago. There has been a lot added since, I'll see if I can get Anker to do an update! http://bostonsearover.smugmug.com/photos/swfpopup.mg?AlbumID=15787782&AlbumKey=Lq9dA Regards, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71570	From: Timboy	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Gilberton

The Flyer town of Gilberton has had their charter approved. Here is a link for pics and details: http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71571	From: scubadoo2	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton

Excellent Tim, love the layout. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilberton The Flyer town of Gilberton has had their charter approved. Here is a link for pics and details: http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ -Tim No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6102 - Release Date: 02/13/13 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71572	From: Timboy	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton

Thanks! I have decided to turn Gilberton into Gilberton Heliport. Instead of a steep road ramp, I can make an incline down to the main level for pax service. Does anyone know where I can find a helicopter or three for about 10 bucks, shipped? Me neither. Lol -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "scubadoo2" wrote: > > Excellent Tim, love the layout. > Doug > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Timboy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:17 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Gilberton > > > > The Flyer town of Gilberton has had their charter approved. Here is a link for pics and details: > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > -Tim > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6102 - Release Date: 02/13/13 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71573	From: racin510	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton

I think maybe instead of Plasticville, you need a mining operation or secret manufacturing facility; or a missile silo would be appropriate for the period! Rick --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" wrote: > > Thanks! > > I have decided to turn Gilberton into Gilberton Heliport. Instead of a steep road ramp, I can make an incline down to the main level for pax service. > > Does anyone know where I can find a helicopter or three for about 10 bucks, shipped? Me neither. Lol > > -Tim > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "scubadoo2" wrote: > > > > Excellent Tim, love the layout. > > Doug > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Timboy > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:17 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Gilberton > > > > > > > > The Flyer town of Gilberton has had their charter approved. Here is a link for pics and details: > > > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6102 - Release Date: 02/13/13 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71574	From: Robert	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer layout bus bars

Rich, I will use 14 gauge solid wire minimum for the busses Probably best to use insulated bus wire and suitcase connectors from the devices, though I have never used them before. I'm no expert so I suggest you check with one. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" wrote: > > Out of curiosity - what gauge wire do you use for the buss? I assume these go to terminal blocks spaced around the layout or do you run them as bare (solid?) wire around which you wrap the leads to the accessories, track, etc.? > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Faust" wrote: > > > > Jumpering the Base Posts and 18V Posts should not be necessary. They're wired in common internally. > > > > --Jeff > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > > > > > I would like to run bus bars around a modular layout from a flyer 30E transformer. > > > > > > Can I run four just four wires from the transformer: one base post, one constant 18v post, and the two 5-18V variable posts? > > > > > > Should I jumper the two base posts at the transformer? And do the same with the constant 18V post? Or does it matter? > > > > > > Thanks very much > > > > > > Bob Borowski > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71575	From: a4s8b7	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Left over S Scale train track, transformer, switch track and caboose

Hi guys, I put up what was left from my sets on eBay. I figured everyone would like to check it out. The caboose would work great for a decoration piece since it's all warped maybe make it into a run down caboose house? he switch track looks great, even if it's only a manual. These are all that's left from the three train sets that I restored and sold. I used the money to fix up my house and to buy some G-scale engines. Here are the trains that I restored: http://dsprototyping.com/projects/AF-trains/AF-trains.html Here are the last of the trains for sale: http://www.ebay.com/itm/140916694580?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 And Thank you again for helping me with the restoration of the trains. I can't wait to find a find like this again! Andy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71576	From: Dale Reynolds	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Tommy Robichaud's Layout (was Y-3 on DCC)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Clark wrote: > > My video showing the AF Y-3 running on Tommy's layout generated several > requests to see more of the layout. you may remember i had the honor of operating on tommy's layout 5 or 6 years ago, so i recognized it immediately. my Y3 runs great as well, and am having my big boy redone per carl's techniques. hope you and the bristol club are doing well, with no motorcycle crashes. dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71577	From: Timboy	Date: 2/14/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton

Rick, How do you know there isn't something very hush, hush sekrit going on? I'd tell you... -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "racin510" wrote: > > I think maybe instead of Plasticville, you need a mining operation or secret manufacturing facility; or a missile silo would be appropriate for the period! > > Rick > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" wrote: > > > > Thanks! > > > > I have decided to turn Gilberton into Gilberton Heliport. Instead of a steep road ramp, I can make an incline down to the main level for pax service. > > > > Does anyone know where I can find a helicopter or three for about 10 bucks, shipped? Me neither. Lol > > > > -Tim > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "scubadoo2" wrote: > > > > > > Excellent Tim, love the layout. > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Timboy > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:17 PM > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Gilberton > > > > > > > > > > > > The Flyer town of Gilberton has had their charter approved. Here is a link for pics and details: > > > > > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6102 - Release Date: 02/13/13 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71578	From: Gregg	Date: 2/16/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton

Hi Tim RE: helicopters - look for Majorette Agusta 109. They are marked 1/60th scale and come in various schemes - medical, police, etc. Not sure about the price tho. BTW - great job on the layout! I've always liked that track plan. Gregg --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Thanks! > > I have decided to turn Gilberton into Gilberton Heliport. Instead of a steep road ramp, I can make an incline down to the main level for pax service. > > Does anyone know where I can find a helicopter or three for about 10 bucks, shipped? Me neither. Lol > > -Tim > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71579	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/16/2013
Subject: Fwd: Smoke fluid NEW NON TOXIC TESTS

Here is the latest test of my new line of Non toxic fluids. I'll have a Cedar (Gilbert) and a non scented, also my org. will still be sold. Mike ____________________________________ From: ferris1531@... To: Anormal1@... Sent: 2/16/2013 12:27:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time Subj: Re: Smoke fluid Mike, Here's a video I posted of a rebuilt smoke unit with the non_toxic formula _http://youtu.be/lsv3hQWIImE_ (http://youtu.be/lsv3hQWIImE) Neil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71580	From: Timboy	Date: 2/16/2013
Subject: Re: Gilberton

Hi Greg, Guess what? I have a chopper on order from The Shack. Horribly out of scale no doubt, but very cool. I'll me able to shuttle people on & off the layout. Thanks! -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg" <amflyer336@...> wrote: > > Hi Tim > > RE: helicopters - look for Majorette Agusta 109. They are marked 1/60th scale and come in various schemes - medical, police, etc. Not sure about the price tho. > > BTW - great job on the layout! I've always liked that track plan. > > Gregg > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote: > > > > Thanks! > > > > I have decided to turn Gilberton into Gilberton Heliport. Instead of a steep road ramp, I can make an incline down to the main level for pax service. > > > > Does anyone know where I can find a helicopter or three for about 10 bucks, shipped? Me neither. Lol > > > > -Tim > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71581	From: Timboy	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Flyer on Facebook

Hi, I do not wish to detract from this group, but I thought you might like to be aware of this: there is a nice group about American Flyer on Facebook. Pretty neat stuff being discussed and very genteel. Here is a link to it: https://www.facebook.com/groups/11332432410/ Regards, Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71582	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Gilberton Heliport

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71583	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/17/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71584	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: what is it?

hi: i have been helping a lady dispose of an estate, and she came up with this item, does anyone know what it is, or have any info as to the manufacturer? thanks mel perry   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71585	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: what is it?

Sorry Mel yahoo does not allow attachments. You will habve to post the pictures in the photo section of the Yahoo group. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 17 Feb 2013 12:49:42 -0800 Subject:[S-Trains] what is it?   hi: i have been helping a lady dispose of an estate, and she came up with this item, does anyone know what it is, or have any info as to the manufacturer? thanks mel perry   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groupsyahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNXBlNGRwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTU4NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjExMzQzMzc-?act=reply&messageNum=71584 [2] mailto:clipper841@...?subject=Re%3A%20what%20is%20it%3F [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20what%20is%20it%3F [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbWpwamwxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjExMzQzMzc- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/11597;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZDU4dTlxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTU4NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjExMzQzMzcEdHBjSWQDMTE1OTc- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbjUzOXZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYxMTM0MzM3?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZmF2OGRkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjExMzQzMzc- [8] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaGY1dXN0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2MTEzNDMzNw-- [10] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [11] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [12] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [13] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [14] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71586	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Fwd: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it?

OOPS photos are located in photo section under "what is it" thanks again mel perry Begin forwarded message: > From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> > Date: February 17, 2013 12:49:42 PM PST > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it? > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > hi: > i have been helping a lady dispose of an estate, and she came up with > this item, > does anyone know what it is, or have any info as to the manufacturer? > thanks > mel perry > >  >  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71587	From: Lon Walker	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: what is it?

It looks like one or several train sheds with ramps. I have only seen pictures of these before. Just a guess. Lon Walker >________________________________ > From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:49 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] what is it? > > >  >hi: >i have been helping a lady dispose of an estate, and she came up with >this item, >does anyone know what it is, or have any info as to the manufacturer? >thanks >mel perry > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71588	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: what is it?

Perry, If I¹m looking at the right pictures. I would says it¹s pair of # 792 train terminals. Per the book it¹s a companion to 793‹794‹799 and spans up to (3) tracks. 1954 thru 1956 Cheers, Ohio Alan On 2/17/13 3:49 PM, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote: > > > > > > hi: > i have been helping a lady dispose of an estate, and she came up with > this item, > does anyone know what it is, or have any info as to the manufacturer? > thanks > mel perry > > ? > ? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71589	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it?

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Mel, They are train station track covers. You know the ones that keep the rain and snow off of you while You board the train. You see them on E-Bay all the time. Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:32 PM Subject: Fwd: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it?   OOPS photos are located in photo section under "what is it" thanks again mel perry Begin forwarded message: > From: "clipper841@..." clipper841@...> > Date: February 17, 2013 12:49:42 PM PST > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it? > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > hi: > i have been helping a lady dispose of an estate, and she came up with > this item, > does anyone know what it is, or have any info as to the manufacturer? > thanks > mel perry > >  >  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71590	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it?

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Mel, They are missing the roof sections. � Alan   ________________________________ From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:32 PM Subject: Fwd: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it?   OOPS photos are located in photo section under "what is it" thanks again mel perry Begin forwarded message: > From: "clipper841@..." clipper841@...> > Date: February 17, 2013 12:49:42 PM PST > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Bulk] [S-Trains] what is it? > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > hi: > i have been helping a lady dispose of an estate, and she came up with > this item, > does anyone know what it is, or have any info as to the manufacturer? > thanks > mel perry > >  >  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71591	From: Brady	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: Inkjet Roads

I found a site that has a lot of free textures.. http://www.texturemate.com/category/image-galleries/asphalt Brady --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > Neat idea.. > > http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/11726 > > BTW you can get the GIMP software at http://www.gimp.org/ > > > Brady >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71592	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/17/2013
Subject: Re: Inkjet Roads

The brick and stone are also interesting for possible use as structure siding. Nice and cheap with a lot of room for creativity. It may not be 3 dimensional inactuality, but it is the illusion we are going for anyway. Dale On 2/17/2013 5:07 PM, Brady wrote: > > I found a site that has a lot of free textures.. > > http://www.texturemate.com/category/image-galleries/asphalt > > Brady > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Brady" wrote: > > > > Neat idea.. > > > > http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/11726 > > > > BTW you can get the GIMP software at http://www.gimp.org/ > > > > > > Brady > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71593	From: David	Date: 2/18/2013
Subject: NEW Pre-1966 AF ATLANTIC Engine Green Markers (Advertisement)

Arriving in March 1, 2013 another NEW ITEM from LBR. We will have a kit to illuminate those two (2) marker lights that are cast into the front of the boiler face for all pre-1966 AF ATLANTIC ENGINES. Simply drill a hole at the center of cast in lantern and insert the that are furnished. Be sure that the bulb in your light socket is functioning and on. PRESTO your two (2) lanterns are now illuminated. The easiest and least expensive way to have operating illuminated front markers on the market today. PRICE: $4.99 which includes shipping in CONUS. This NEW kit comes with instructions and will be at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave At LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71594	From: David	Date: 2/18/2013
Subject: AF Atlantic Boiler Lanterns Photos (Advertisement)

We have just added two (2) photos of the ATLANTICS boiler lanterns sporting illuminated green lenses at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> Yes, the price is still $4.99 and will probably not rise in the near future. Dave At LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71595	From: snstrains	Date: 2/19/2013
Subject: SnS standard can motors available again

I promised many S-gaugers in recent months that I would notify them when our supply of the standard geared worms for American Flyer steam locomotives were once again in stock for our can motor conversions. Well, believe it or not they arrived today after 10 months of waiting for them. Steve SnS Trains _www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.snstrains.com) 208-376-1159 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71596	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/20/2013
Subject: S Scale modular yard for sale

Due to priority changes and having my home layout now I have decided to sell my S Scale modular yard. It is 2 feet x 20 feet built to the S-Mod standards with all hand laid code 100 track. All turnouts are powered with twin coil switch machines. It was designed to be used in a public setting to have multiple trains cycle in and out without a break in the running. With only minor assistance for about 5 minutes I can have it set up and running trains in 1 hour flat using only needle nose pliers and a small screwdriver. No other tools are needed. It is currently fully sceniced and ballasted. It would make a great start for a S scale layout or for instant added staging. There is an extensive explanation with many photos here: http://www.lanestrains.com/S_Scale_Modules.htm The first 2 pages are about this yard. With the included "bakers racks" it will fit in a small SUV or minivan. I have moved it in my Ford Escape. Pick up in New Jersey just outside of Philadelphia is needed. There is no way this would survive motor freight shipping. Please reply directly to bill@... with any questions or interest and include your phone number. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71597	From: nightshift.geo	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: Custom vehicles/ Structure

Hello, If interested I am offering some S scale custom vehicles and a scratchbuilt old-time repair-service garage (E Bay)...can be previewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/nightshiftart/sets/72157632822260650/...if interested. Thanks, Ron h., NightshiftArt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71598	From: trobicha	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: Lemax Halloween train converted with a High Rail Black Beetle

I finally got around to converting my Lemax Halloween train to run on my S-gauge layout. I removed the base and drive wheels on the loco and install a Black Beetle I had in stock. I also converted the car behind it with S-helper trucks. I had to disable the rocking figures on the last car, gear mechanism was hanging below the wheels. Check out the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9os1dkQWx_I&feature=youtu.be

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71599	From: wjjim2001	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: 20 Mule Team Borax, Death Valley Scottie & Ronnie Reagan

I will have the retooled 20 Mule Team kits at Allentown, PA AG HALL show this weekend. NT-1 thru 4 opposite the Snack Bar in the NEW wing. The first tooling, done in the early 50's and rerun until obviously very worn had "issues". The new tooling even shows the muscles on some of the mules legs. I still have my old mules, no idea where the wagons went to be unloaded for the last time. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71600	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: A.F. 21004 shell

Does anyone have a very good 21004 shell they would be willing to sell? Mine has damage to the front boiler. If so, please contact me via my email. Thanks, Mike Leahy gmichael.leahy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71601	From: G. Elems	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: American Models Transformer?

Has anyone tried the American Models Transformer with the first Lionel U33C? http://www.americanmodels.com/misc/electrical.html Greg Elems [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71602	From: Jerry	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?

Hi Greg, I have used one on my first generation U33c since I got it. The horn and whistle buttons work on AM and regular Flyonel items, but not on this one. Too much "sparky stuff" for me. All I wanted was to have it run nicely, and have its horn and bell work. Of course, the train sounds (or whatever they call it) work, as do the lighting effects. But no horn or bell. Runs very nicely, though, and that's the bottom line. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "G. Elems" <gelems@...> wrote: > > Has anyone tried the American Models Transformer with the first Lionel U33C? > > http://www.americanmodels.com/misc/electrical.html > > Greg Elems > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71603	From: Greg	Date: 2/21/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?

Jerry, Thanks for the info. Wonder why the horn/bell issue. Really, I'm not too worried about any of the noise but if I were to do a display layout it would be good to have all the jazz factors working right. Greg --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > I have used one on my first generation U33c since I got it. The horn > and whistle buttons work on AM and regular Flyonel items, but not on > this one. Too much "sparky stuff" for me. All I wanted was to have it > run nicely, and have its horn and bell work. Of course, the train > sounds (or whatever they call it) work, as do the lighting effects. But > no horn or bell. Runs very nicely, though, and that's the bottom line. > > Jerry > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71604	From: Jerry	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?

Greg, The horn/bell issue has to do with the complexity of the TMCC/Legacy circuitry. The sounds were SUPPOSED to be accessible with a Lionel sound button, or another DC pulsed signal, but it didn't turn out that way. Like I said, too much "sparky stuff". If you're looking for something to power AC locomotives, there's a lot of Gilbert ones out there that will do the job as well, but without sounds. However the AM transformer works great, and has nice low speed capability. It's rated for a 17v output at 75VA. It powers every train I have and some have a lot of lights in the cars... Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <gelems@...> wrote: > > Jerry, > > Thanks for the info. Wonder why the horn/bell issue. Really, I'm not too worried about any of the noise but if I were to do a display layout it would be good to have all the jazz factors working right. > > Greg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71605	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: S Scale yard has been sold

My S Scale yard has been sold. It will soon reside with a very happy new owner in North Carolina. Almost exactly as I did with my home layout, the yard will be used as a jump start on making his new layout. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71606	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Mini Toys item on ebay

I am not interested in this, but I thought someone here might be. I think this is the same company that made the buildings for Gilbert. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Street-and-Park-Set-M-90-Minitoys-1950s-Mint-Original-Box-/350722068598?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item51a8aa1076 Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71607	From: G. Elems	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?

Jerry, The U33C locomotives are my only AC type engines. When I take out the TMCC, they will become either DCC or straight DC. Since the Lionel sound button has issues, I'll probably just wait to modify the engines rather than buy a transformer for early use. I have other AC transformers for my Lionel 3 rail equipment from many yrs ago so those might run the U33C's with out sound if I really have to run them. Your information is helpful, should I pick up some other Flyonel engines down the road. At this time though I'm in a major shift in layout thoughts and plans. My plans for a continuous run layout in the garage will get replaced with a smaller switching layout in the house in a spare bedroom. If that happens, most of my equipment will get boxed and stored, especially my bigger locomotives. Thanks again, Greg Elems --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Greg, > > The horn/bell issue has to do with the complexity of the TMCC/Legacy >circuitry. The sounds were SUPPOSED to be accessible with a Lionel sound >button, or another DC pulsed signal, but it didn't turn out that way. Like >I said, too much "sparky stuff". If you're looking for something to power >AC locomotives, there's a lot of Gilbert ones out there that will do the >job as well, but without sounds. However the AM transformer works great, >and has nice low speed capability. It's rated for a 17v output at 75VA. >It powers every train I have and some have a lot of lights in the cars... > > Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71608	From: dphobbies	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Commercial: DPH Sale

Every so often here at Des Plaines Hobbies we have sales like many other retail businesses. We usually send some kind of flyer to notify our customers of such goings on. We are having one of these sales right now and I was chided somewhat this afternoon for not posting it on Yahoo groups that I have been on. Anyway, I will not post our sale flyer to the group, but will forward one to anyone who asks. Purchases do not have to be made in person, but can be made through our web store at desplaineshobbies.com or by phoe @ 1-847-297-2118. The sale continues from now through Sunday, Feb 24th. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71609	From: Brady	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?

I have a Lionel O gauge Conventional Classics FM Train Master with an electronic horn and bell, the sounds only work with Lionel electronic power supplies. The MTH Z -4000 trainsformer will not activate the sounds, even though the Z-4000 is compatible with everything else I've run. If you decide to use a vintage transformer with electronic equipped locos you should wire a fast blow fuse on the hot side berween the transformer and the track. Brady --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Greg, > > The horn/bell issue has to do with the complexity of the TMCC/Legacy circuitry. The sounds were SUPPOSED to be accessible with a Lionel sound button, or another DC pulsed signal, but it didn't turn out that way. Like I said, too much "sparky stuff". If you're looking for something to power AC locomotives, there's a lot of Gilbert ones out there that will do the job as well, but without sounds. However the AM transformer works great, and has nice low speed capability. It's rated for a 17v output at 75VA. It powers every train I have and some have a lot of lights in the cars... > > Jerry > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <gelems@> wrote: > > > > Jerry, > > > > Thanks for the info. Wonder why the horn/bell issue. Really, I'm not too worried about any of the noise but if I were to do a display layout it would be good to have all the jazz factors working right. > > > > Greg >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71610	From: Dr Trains	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Re: Commercial: DPH Sale

Sales flyer please, thanks Peter Loeb, Nampa, ID ________________________________ From: dphobbies <dphobbies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 2:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Commercial: DPH Sale   Every so often here at Des Plaines Hobbies we have sales like many other retail businesses. We usually send some kind of flyer to notify our customers of such goings on. We are having one of these sales right now and I was chided somewhat this afternoon for not posting it on Yahoo groups that I have been on. Anyway, I will not post our sale flyer to the group, but will forward one to anyone who asks. Purchases do not have to be made in person, but can be made through our web store at desplaineshobbies.com or by phoe @ 1-847-297-2118. The sale continues from now through Sunday, Feb 24th. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies/S Scale America [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71611	From: racin510	Date: 2/22/2013
Subject: Challenger Overhang

Looking for what the approximate maximum over hang is on a normal ACG curve; front and back. This the Lionel Challenger.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71612	From: Timboy	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Third Loop On My "Sibley" Completed

Howdy, I finished with the third loop this morning. Now I can run three trains. Also, helicopter service has begun to/from Gilberton. Here is a link to my blog for pics and details: http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ Regards, Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71613	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: Lemax Halloween train converted with a High Rail Black Beetle

Cool! In a message dated 2/21/2013 9:36:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, a1traindude@... writes: I finally got around to converting my Lemax Halloween train to run on my S-gauge layout. I removed the base and drive wheels on the loco and install a Black Beetle I had in stock. I also converted the car behind it with S-helper trucks. I had to disable the rocking figures on the last car, gear mechanism was hanging below the wheels. Check out the video _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9os1dkQWx_I&feature=youtu.be_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9os1dkQWx_I&feature=youtu.be) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71614	From: Jerry	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?

Greg, Your dilemma is similar to a number of fellow S gaugers. Although there's a sizable contingent of TMCC/Legacy guys out there, there are also those of us who want a simple AC operable locomotive, or easier still, straight DC or upgrade to DCC. Lionel has recognized this, and newer versions of their offerings are supposed to be operable on almost any type of power. For me, I'd like a "delete" option on the electronics. In spite of economies of scale, in economic terms, they should be cheaper. After all, if you want a car with a manual transmission, it should be cheaper. Mine was. Toy train(yes, toy trains - another bone of contention in nomenclature) should follow the same pricing schedule. Exceptions exist, I know. So the bottom line is that your old Lionel transformers should be fine for basic running of your U33C's. I'm fortunate in that I have a basement train room in which to build my 1:64 railroad empire. But as it's been said many times, Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither is my "empire". Have fun, and good luck! Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "G. Elems" <gelems@...> wrote: > > Jerry, > > The U33C locomotives are my only AC type engines. When I take out the TMCC, > they will become either DCC or straight DC. Since the Lionel sound button > has issues, I'll probably just wait to modify the engines rather than buy a > transformer for early use. I have other AC transformers for my Lionel 3 > rail equipment from many yrs ago so those might run the U33C's with out > sound if I really have to run them. Your information is helpful, should I > pick up some other Flyonel engines down the road. At this time though I'm > in a major shift in layout thoughts and plans. My plans for a continuous > run layout in the garage will get replaced with a smaller switching layout > in the house in a spare bedroom. If that happens, most of my equipment will > get boxed and stored, especially my bigger locomotives. > > Thanks again, > Greg Elems > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" poniaj@ wrote: > > > > Greg, > > > > The horn/bell issue has to do with the complexity of the TMCC/Legacy > >circuitry. The sounds were SUPPOSED to be accessible with a Lionel sound > >button, or another DC pulsed signal, but it didn't turn out that way. Like > >I said, too much "sparky stuff". If you're looking for something to power > >AC locomotives, there's a lot of Gilbert ones out there that will do the > >job as well, but without sounds. However the AM transformer works great, > >and has nice low speed capability. It's rated for a 17v output at 75VA. > >It powers every train I have and some have a lot of lights in the cars... > > > > Jerry > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71615	From: rudypenne	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: ONLY THING MISSING IS THE BOILER FRONT??

_Extremely RARE American Flyer '47 342 Electronic Propulsion 0 8 0 Switcher | eBay_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extremely-Rare-American-Flyer-47-342-Electronic-Propulsion-0-8-0-Switcher-/200900151884?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2e c6950a4c) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71616	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: MagnaLock Coupler Hoses

Neat.. http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/12302 Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71617	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Which road most influenced Flyer?

All, If you were to pick one prototype railroad that had the most impact on the Gilbert American Flyer product line, which railroad would it be, and why? Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71618	From: tennsgauger	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: MagnaLock Coupler Hoses

Pretty neat. It says they are available in HO and soon will be available in N, and other scales? So I wonder if they will be available in S? - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 2/23/2013 4:58:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, bradyburdge@... writes: Neat.. _http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/12302_ (http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/12302) Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71619	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: Third Loop On My "Sibley" Completed

Hello Tim, Nice work so far on your layout. I have been following your current blog with interest since your "Sibley" layout is similar to what I have in mind: a table top, island layout using traditional AF trains and track. After looking at the pictures on your most recent post, I was wondering: are you using stock AF track for all three of the loops shown? If so, how are you changing the radius of the loops? Manually altering the track? Using some former K-Line or other manufacturer's larger radius track? Fitting in some straight pieces? Or perhaps sneaking in some pieces of Gargraves or other flex track? Whatever you are doing, keep up the good work! Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2013, at 8:39 AM, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > Howdy, > > I finished with the third loop this morning. Now I can run three trains. Also, helicopter service has begun to/from Gilberton. > > Here is a link to my blog for pics and details: > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > Tim > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71620	From: R G	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?

I would say it was the New Haven.  Gilbert had stations named for Connecticut Towns along New Havens right of way, Passenger cars, box car and multiple locomotives, Steam, Electric and PA1 locomotives in New Haven colors.  ________________________________ From: Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> To: S-Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Which road most influenced Flyer?   All, If you were to pick one prototype railroad that had the most impact on the Gilbert American Flyer product line, which railroad would it be, and why? Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71621	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/23/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?

On 2/23/2013 6:48 PM, R G wrote: > I would say it was the New Haven. Gilbert had stations named for > Connecticut Towns along New Havens right of way, Passenger cars, box car > and multiple locomotives, Steam, Electric and PA1 locomotives in New > Haven colors. And if you read any of his biographies, it was the building of electrification towers as seen from his train commutes that inspired the design of the girders in the Erector sets. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71622	From: John Metzger	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?

Missouri Pacific for the mid west railroad. Two  PA passenger sets, one freight set, pacific fruit express refer car,catle operating stock car,plain stock car, merchandise car, and others all by AC Gilbert. From: Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> To: S-Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Which road most influenced Flyer?   All, If you were to pick one prototype railroad that had the most impact on the Gilbert American Flyer product line, which railroad would it be, and why? Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71623	From: Timboy	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Third Loop On My "Sibley" Completed

Thanks Alan, It's all vintage Flyer track. I re-bend the curves to suit. It isn't too hard. I loosen the ties and bend the rails with my hands and fingers until I have what I want. Then I re-tighten the ties and cut off the long rail end on my band saw with a metal-cutting blade. I use it to cut down the switches as well. If the track needs it, I spray-paint if flat black. I use real stone that I harvested and sifted down as best I could. I would like it a bit finer, but I can't find a screen the right size. I had asked on this forum a couple years ago if anybody had any ideas on that and no one did. So, I made a wooden frame for 1/8" hardware cloth to use as my screen. I gently sift it so as not to force the larger stuff through. Actually, I pre-screen it through a similar frame with 1/4" hardware cloth first. That gets the really big stuff out. Then I wash and dry it to get all the dirt and dust out. I make my own filler ties out of either pine or cedar. I first rip it down and then run the strips through my planer. Then I cross-cut on a band saw. I use ebony stain to color them. I want to complete some very basic scenery. That will be my first-level of completion. Then I can take my time to collect the buildings, figures, etc I want to use to primp each scenic vista over time. Regards, Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote: > > Hello Tim, > > Nice work so far on your layout. I have been following your current blog with interest since your "Sibley" layout is similar to what I have in mind: a table top, island layout using traditional AF trains and track. > > After looking at the pictures on your most recent post, I was wondering: are you using stock AF track for all three of the loops shown? > > If so, how are you changing the radius of the loops? Manually altering the track? Using some former K-Line or other manufacturer's larger radius track? Fitting in some straight pieces? Or perhaps sneaking in some pieces of Gargraves or other flex track? > > Whatever you are doing, keep up the good work! > > Cheers! > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 23, 2013, at 8:39 AM, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > I finished with the third loop this morning. Now I can run three trains. Also, helicopter service has begun to/from Gilberton. > > > > Here is a link to my blog for pics and details: > > > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > > > Regards, > > Tim > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71624	From: Steven Allen	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?

I would say there were actually 3 roads that had a major influence. As stated earlier the New Haven was probably the the most influential with 3 locomotives, flatcars, a boxcar, and passneger cars, to go along with the roadside accessories. Once Flyer started to use actual road names Santa Fe had an early influence with the passenger sets, although no other locomotives were produced, and I believe there were 2 boxcars. The other road that showed much was Union Pacific with the passenger set, road diesel and the Northerns, and a number of stock cars. To a lesser degree there would be th MP as mentioned, and the PRR with 3 steam locomotives and a reel car. Even though they didn't have any rolling stock the Reading had some influence with many Atlantic's, and if memory serves me correct, I believe one of the cabooses may have been patterned after a Reading caboose. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: > > Missouri Pacific for the mid west railroad. Two  PA passenger sets, one freight > > set, pacific fruit express refer car,catle operating stock car,plain stock car, merchandise car, and others all by AC Gilbert. > > From: Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> > To: S-Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:52 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Which road most influenced Flyer? > >   > All, > > If you were to pick one prototype railroad that had the most impact on the Gilbert American Flyer product line, which railroad would it be, and why? > > Brady > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71625	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?

In terms of total production, my guess would be the Reading….. Probably more Reading Atlantics and cabooses were produced than any other single item of rolling stock. A sleeper close second would be the T&P for the green gondola and Lehigh & New England for the gray hopper…also produced for a long time appearing in many sets. B&O boxcar in red or white would be right up there too. New Haven certainly had more exposure on some pieces than it was due thanks to the plant’s location and A.C.’s familiarity…. Pacific, EP5, PA, box, “American Flyer” passenger cars (in both S and O versions) and later freight cars. Charlie Vlk If you were to pick one prototype railroad that had the most impact on the Gilbert American Flyer product line, which railroad would it be, and why? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71626	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/24/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71627	From: Frank	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?

The New Haven, being the railroad was behind the AC Gilbert building in Connecticut. I would also think, when Lionel made deals with Railroads like the New York Central and also EMD, it put limits on production of some railroad consists n engines. This stopped Gilbert and other manufactures from producing, due to licensing. Remember the UP painted a Santa Fe set in UP colors and let ACG produce them. Frank On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:58 AM, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@...> wrote: > I would say there were actually 3 roads that had a major influence. As stated earlier the New Haven was probably the the most influential with 3 locomotives, flatcars, a boxcar, and passneger cars, to go along with the roadside accessories. Once Flyer started to use actual road names Santa Fe had an early influence with the passenger sets, although no other locomotives were produced, and I believe there were 2 boxcars. The other road that showed much was Union Pacific with the passenger set, road diesel and the Northerns, and a number of stock cars. To a lesser degree there would be th MP as mentioned, and the PRR with 3 steam locomotives and a reel car. Even though they didn't have any rolling stock the Reading had some influence with many Atlantic's, and if memory serves me correct, I believe one of the cabooses may have been patterned after a Reading caboose. > > Steven Allen > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Metzger wrote: > > > > Missouri Pacific for the mid west railroad. Two PA passenger sets, one freight > > > > set, pacific fruit express refer car,catle operating stock car,plain stock car, merchandise car, and others all by AC Gilbert. > > > > From: Brady Burdge > > To: S-Trains s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:52 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Which road most influenced Flyer? > > > > > > All, > > > > If you were to pick one prototype railroad that had the most impact on the Gilbert American Flyer product line, which railroad would it be, and why? > > > > Brady > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71628	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Scratch Built Trestle Photos Posted

All, Tracie and I have been building a scratch built trestle that can be lifted and placed out of the way as part of a pass through. This is where I was planning to put the lift bridge but I changed my plans. I'll build a removable section to go under the trestle next. I can then remove both to be able to pass through to the middle of the layout. You can check out seven photos of the trestle starting here: http://tinyurl.com/b54dzlj Have fun and check out some of our other photos while you're visiting the photo gallery. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71629	From: Rich	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?

Brady and all -- you may recall that you asked a variant of this question in July 2011, to wit: "which prototype road was most represented by postwar Flyer?" Several of us responded then with attempts at enumerating the various road names - I've copied Bill Drake's list at the end of this reply. On the other hand, I'm not sure that a simple list answers your recent question and, in fact, several responders in July 2011 provided a more detailed and learned discussion of this - for example that ACG replicated some locos that were largely unique to their respective prototype railroads: Reading Atlantic (Wooten fire box as a distinguishing feature), the UP FEF, the B&O Royal Blue, Pennsy K-5, the NH EP-5, and the NYC J3 Hudson. Also the New Haven passenger coaches (which, by the way, appeared to have had an influence on the railroads - the car style was referred to "the American Flyer type" by some). If you do a search on this group of "road names" or "most representative prototype railroads" you'll get a listing of the July 2011 discussion, including from Stumpy, Roland, Frank Emiro and others whose names I don't recall. As others have pointed out, it would be hard to think that the New Haven didn't have a big influence on ACG. For what its worth, I would point out a couple of "interesting factoids" - in the case of both the Pennsy K-5 and the NH electric (aka 'jet') neither were big items on their respective rosters. Only two of the K-5's were built and only 10 of the EP-5 NH electrics (and despite Flyonel's revisionist labeling, neither Milwaukee Road nor GN had EP-5's as far as I can tell). One the other hand, I've never understood why ACG didn't offer E- or F-series diesels early on - by the early to mid-1950's they had become ubiquitous in the real world and Lionel had offered them for some time. By the time Flyer did offer the F-9 (1961?) they were caricatures of the prototypes, unlike ACG's Alco PA's. So, again FWIW, here's Bill Drake's list with my modest attempt at adding up the eastern and western RRs: My attempt at dividing the list below into eastern and western railroads. The western RR's have a star in front of the road name. Those with two stars aren't counted. So the count is: eastern = 174; western = 133. - Rich Bill Drake -- Made a spreadsheet and did some numbers - counted accessories if marked in a way that identified as on a road. Did not separate body types of box car between old timer and 40 ft. or flat car depressed center types - all box cars or all flats, same with 3 dome or single dome tank. By catalog numbers: New Haven: 42 *Santa Fe: 21 Pennsy: 19 *UP: 19 *CNW: 19 *MP: 17 Reading: 15 NP: 14 NYC: 12 B&O: 11 Erie: 11 *CB&Q: 10 *T&P: 10 **Gulf: 10 *GN: 8 **FY&PRR: 8 B&M: 7 IC: 6 NKP: 6 Seaboard:6 Monon: 5 *Rio Grande: 4 Southern: 4 *SP: 4 *Wabash: 3 *Frisco: 3 **Shell: 3 **GM: 3 **Gilbert: 3 C&O: 3 BAR: 3 *M&STL: 3 All with 2: **ART, CG, **Mobilgas, N&W, D&H, CRP, *MKT, **Deep Rock, **Bakers, **Hooker, **Navy, **National Car, **Air Force, **USMC All with 1: Virginian, LNE, **Koppers, *G Fox --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > All, > > If you were to pick one prototype railroad that had the most impact on the Gilbert American Flyer product line, which railroad would it be, and why? > > > Brady > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71630	From: Scott	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Grinding

Hey, I have been thoroughly stumped on a problem I have developed with my "313" K-5 and 336 that I now need an expert opinion on. For the past year, I have tried to become a real student in the repair of vintage American Flyer locomotives and have done everything from diesel re-bushings to rebuilding smoke-in-tender units. Now, I present the preceding information to show that I am semi-competent in this process but at the same time might be missing something. The two locomotives in question were fully rebuilt by me and have been running great until recently. Both locomotives have developed a grinding noise when they travel in forward, but they generate absolutely no noise in reverse. I know that these locomotives tend to travel faster in one direction, and I wasn't sure if this could be causing it, but I do not want to keep running these locomotives since I don't know if this could be a major problem. I have taken both locomotives apart fully and looked at everything, but nothing looked broken or worn. I was curious if anyone could help shed some light on the problem I am having or have experience with this before. I have lightly oiled the locomotives but it did not make any noticeable difference. My email is scottmmiller1@... and any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71631	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Transformer?

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Greg, I have one of the American Models transformers, and for me works great. I do have 2 AM Pacifics with full sound and the and bell sounds are great. Even though the whistle  sound is different than what I wanted. I can't discribe it but it is not prototypical. As far as slow speed my engines creep real slow at the 20mph setting. Would work great for switching cars. Now there is one(Not listed on the website) that has a separate on/ off switch. I also have 2 GP-35's double headed and they run like one. They don't fight each other because I rewired one to run in reverse (cab forward on front ,cad facing backward on the second one). I also have LocoMatic Sound Locos that is hooked through my transformer. I just move the transformer control to full power, and they run with good speed control. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: G. Elems <gelems@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Models Transformer?   Jerry, The U33C locomotives are my only AC type engines. When I take out the TMCC, they will become either DCC or straight DC. Since the Lionel sound button has issues, I'll probably just wait to modify the engines rather than buy a transformer for early use. I have other AC transformers for my Lionel 3 rail equipment from many yrs ago so those might run the U33C's with out sound if I really have to run them. Your information is helpful, should I pick up some other Flyonel engines down the road. At this time though I'm in a major shift in layout thoughts and plans. My plans for a continuous run layout in the garage will get replaced with a smaller switching layout in the house in a spare bedroom. If that happens, most of my equipment will get boxed and stored, especially my bigger locomotives. Thanks again, Greg Elems --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" wrote: > > Greg, > > The horn/bell issue has to do with the complexity of the TMCC/Legacy >circuitry. The sounds were SUPPOSED to be accessible with a Lionel sound >button, or another DC pulsed signal, but it didn't turn out that way. Like >I said, too much "sparky stuff". If you're looking for something to power >AC locomotives, there's a lot of Gilbert ones out there that will do the >job as well, but without sounds. However the AM transformer works great, >and has nice low speed capability. It's rated for a 17v output at 75VA. >It powers every train I have and some have a lot of lights in the cars... > > Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71632	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Grinding

HelloScott,I know Flyer placed washers  between the armature and frame.I have found some to have as many as three but almost always one.This might help.Also is the armature dished very bad?Just a couple of ideas. Mark --- On Sun, 2/24/13, Scott <scottmmiller1@...> wrote: From: Scott <scottmmiller1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Grinding To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013, 9:28 PM   Hey, I have been thoroughly stumped on a problem I have developed with my "313" K-5 and 336 that I now need an expert opinion on. For the past year, I have tried to become a real student in the repair of vintage American Flyer locomotives and have done everything from diesel re-bushings to rebuilding smoke-in-tender units. Now, I present the preceding information to show that I am semi-competent in this process but at the same time might be missing something. The two locomotives in question were fully rebuilt by me and have been running great until recently. Both locomotives have developed a grinding noise when they travel in forward, but they generate absolutely no noise in reverse. I know that these locomotives tend to travel faster in one direction, and I wasn't sure if this could be causing it, but I do not want to keep running these locomotives since I don't know if this could be a major problem. I have taken both locomotives apart fully and looked at everything, but nothing looked broken or worn. I was curious if anyone could help shed some light on the problem I am having or have experience with this before. I have lightly oiled the locomotives but it did not make any noticeable difference. My email is scottmmiller1@... and any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71633	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/24/2013
Subject: Re: Grinding

Sounds like as Mark says the armatures need spacer washers to stop excessive movement of the armature backwards and forwards. Probably left out on a rebuild. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:25:55 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Grinding   HelloScott,I know Flyer placed washers  between the armature and frame.I have found some to have as many as three but almost always one.This might help.Also is the armature dished very bad?Just a couple of ideas. Mark --- On Sun, 2/24/13, Scott scottmmiller1@... [1]> wrote: From: Scott scottmmiller1@... [2]> Subject: [S-Trains] Grinding To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Date: Sunday, February 24, 2013, 9:28 PM   Hey, I have been thoroughly stumped on a problem I have developed with my "313" K-5 and 336 that I now need an expert opinion on. For the past year, I have tried to become a real student in the repair of vintage American Flyer locomotives and have done everything from diesel re-bushings to rebuilding smoke-in-tender units. Now, I present the preceding information to show that I am semi-competent in this process but at the same time might be missing something. The two locomotives in question were fully rebuilt by me and have been running great until recently. Both locomotives have developed a grinding noise when they travel in forward, but they generate absolutely no noise in reverse. I know that these locomotives tend to travel faster in one direction, and I wasn't sure if this could be causing it, but I do not want to keep running these locomotives since I don't know if this could be a major problem. I have taken both locomotives apart fully and looked at everything, but nothing looked broken or worn. I was curious if anyone could help shed some light on the problem I am having or have experience with this before. I have lightly oiled the locomotives but it did not make any noticeable difference. My email is scottmmiller1@... [4] and any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:scottmmiller1%40verizon.net [2] mailto:scottmmiller1%40verizon.net [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:scottmmiller1%40verizon.net [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdXR2YnNoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTYzMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjE3NjY5MTA-?act=reply&messageNum=71632 [6] mailto:mspeichert@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Grinding [7] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Grinding [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZHU5cHVwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjE3NjY5MTA- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71630;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cHRsamJsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTYzMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjE3NjY5MTAEdHBjSWQDNzE2MzA- [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcWN0NHA2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYxNzY2OTEw?o=6 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYm5tY2o4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzYxNzY2OTEw [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZzVuNjRjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjE3NjY5MTA- [13] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJicm9za3JiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2MTc2NjkxMA-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [19] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71634	From: traindavid	Date: 2/25/2013
Subject: Re: Grinding

Scott, If we are talking about steamers, grinding can often be caused by the brush tubes rubbing on the commutator. There are three main types of plastic motor end caps/brush holders for the flat commutator motors. There's the slotted brush holder with the "finger" springs, and then there are two types for the coil spring brushes, early and late. One has a built in spacer to keep the commutator away from the brush tubes, the other one doesn't because the spacer is built into the armature. Both types used brass/bronze spacer washers to control the end-play in the armature. This originally came in three thickness too. You need one at the worm drive end, and then it depends on the end play at the brush end. There has to be some play, as the motor gets longer when it heats up, and can then bind. Also be careful choosing washers for the earlier armature, as a too big (diameter) one can short out the commutator. Another source of growl can be worn worm or axle gear. I believe some of my drawings of the different types are still on the FAQ area of the group. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71635	From: papa3145	Date: 2/25/2013
Subject: Re: Challenger Overhang

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "racin510" <racin510@...> wrote: > > Looking for what the approximate maximum over hang is on a normal ACG curve; front and back. This the Lionel Challenger. > Although I've read these posts for several years, I've never posted before. To answer your question, I just measured my Challenger's overhang on standard Flyer track curves: The front overhang is 1 1/8", the cab overhang is 1 5/8". I don't know what you're doing, but I'd allow a little for clearance. I hope this helps

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71636	From: papa3145	Date: 2/25/2013
Subject: Re: Challenger Overhang

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "papa3145" <papa3145@...> wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "racin510" <racin510@> wrote: > > > > Looking for what the approximate maximum over hang is on a normal ACG curve; front and back. This the Lionel Challenger. > > > > Although I've read these posts for several years, I've never posted before. > > To answer your question, I just measured my Challenger's overhang on standard Flyer track curves: The front overhang is 1 1/8", the cab overhang is 1 5/8". I don't know what you're doing, but I'd allow a little for clearance. I hope this helps > I forgot to note that the distances are from the outside edge of the top rail flange.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71637	From: wjjim2001	Date: 2/25/2013
Subject: Keystone Meet

Keystone Division of the Train Collectors Association will hold their Annual Spring Train Meet & Sale on Saturday March 9th at St Philips R C church in Millersville, PA. Trains of all ages and gauges are expected to be available for sale. Doors open to the Public at 9 AM Adult Admission is $4.00, kids 12 & under are FREE. PLENTY of FREE Parking. Great food from the Church Men's Club in the kitchen. TCA members contact _rontrain@..._ (mailto:rontrain@...) for tables. Lancaster County contact Jim Lyle, _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...) or 278-6007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71638	From: Herbert	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?

I doubt this very much. Flyer had no problem producing a Santa Fe diesel in 1950. Lionel did get some financial help in tooling costs from Santa Fe and NY Central. Flyer was paid a small royalty by Gulf and by Nathan Air Chime , amongst others. Lionel also received royalties in some cases. This was before age of demanding royalties for use of trademarks. UP repainted a Santa Fe set to show how nice it would look, and ASKED Gilbert to produce a UP set. They paid for the paint masks and, I think, the paint. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote: > > The New Haven, being the railroad was behind the AC Gilbert building in Connecticut. I would also think, when Lionel made deals with Railroads like the New York Central and also EMD, it put limits on production of some railroad consists n engines. This stopped Gilbert and other manufactures from producing, due to licensing. Remember the UP painted a Santa Fe set in UP colors and let ACG produce them. > > > Frank > > > On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:58 AM, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@...> wrote: > > > I would say there were actually 3 roads that had a major influence. As stated earlier the New Haven was probably the the most influential with 3 locomotives, flatcars, a boxcar, and passneger cars, to go along with the roadside accessories. Once Flyer started to use actual road names Santa Fe had an early influence with the passenger sets, although no other locomotives were produced, and I believe there were 2 boxcars. The other road that showed much was Union Pacific with the passenger set, road diesel and the Northerns, and a number of stock cars. To a lesser degree there would be th MP as mentioned, and the PRR with 3 steam locomotives and a reel car. Even though they didn't have any rolling stock the Reading had some influence with many Atlantic's, and if memory serves me correct, I believe one of the cabooses may have been patterned after a Reading caboose. > > > > Steven Allen > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John Metzger wrote: > > > > > > Missouri Pacific for the mid west railroad. Two PA passenger sets, one freight > > > > > > set, pacific fruit express refer car,catle operating stock car,plain stock car, merchandise car, and others all by AC Gilbert. > > > > > > From: Brady Burdge > > > To: S-Trains s-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:52 PM > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Which road most influenced Flyer? > > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > If you were to pick one prototype railroad that had the most impact on the Gilbert American Flyer product line, which railroad would it be, and why? > > > > > > Brady > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71639	From: Larry Moore	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: TCA rant

Just my 2 cents worth about the petty bickering over the past couple of days, concerning Mike's Ebay description. The reaction to this listing is the exact reason I declined to join TCA, a number of years ago. I cannot afford to purchase the absolute mint condition , no finger prints, Flyer rolling stock of the past. I purchase used items and in a lot of cases repaint them. Flyer operating accessories, I completely strip to bare metal, prime and repaint them, they become better than new, because Gilbert never primed. For that reason, paint peeled, and metal rusted. The first time a TCA member saw some of my refurbished work, I got the following response. You know that if you join TCA, any repaint has to be identified by a sticker on it. Not a response of nice work, but a disclaimer notice. Gentlemen, this is a hobby and should be treated and enjoyed as such. I feel that the initial response, was not in good taste, but the 2-3 day continuation of the discussion was totally, uncalled for. I enjoy this group ,the discussions, and getting help when solicited. I would request that, in the future, the moderator, not let incidents like this escalate, as this episode did. Let's get back to the basics of enjoying, playing with trains. They were made as toys in the beginning, so move on and have some fun. Larry Moore Disclaimer: If I have stepped on any toes, I do not want to hear about it through, this chat group. My email address is mo2337@.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71640	From: none	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available

Hello all, I am posting this notice that I recently posted on an OGR forum for your information... "Hello everyone, A posting on another thread stated that the new R-T-R O-Gauge MTH 2013 catalog was now online. I found this to be true and while perusing the catalog found the first notice of the MTH S gauge Railroader's Club membership. I called MTH and ordered my membership...(apparently I was #1). You can order it online but my computer advised against that as MTH's security certificate had expired?? Whatever...I ordered it over the phone for $55.00. The attachment below shows you what you get. The person who took the order at MTH was kind of vague as to the S gauge catalog release date. Anyway it appears that some progress is being made at MTH. Check out the picture of the membership car in the attachment." Apparently the attachment won't post in this forum so check out the details at MTH.com if you are interested. The new car will be a B&O Sentinel Boxcar in grey and blue.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71641	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: TCA rant

There is a fine line between restoration/reproduction and faking. This is why the TCA tries to impose this rule. Especially with non club regulated venues such as eBay it is easy to con somebody into paying mint prices for refinished work. It is a hobby and they are toys but once money is involved innocent behaviour can take on sinister and even criminal overtones.  Alistair

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71642	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: TCA rant

Larry, I get in trouble all the time for kit bashing and modifying old toy trains, mostly out of junk boxes. Collectors seem to hate me, maybe because they think that every train saved brings down the value of their stuff? The guy who invited me into the parking lot for a "thrashing" some years ago at the Spree because I rebuilt a junk #343 into a 2-8-0 comes to mind. Actually, bringing a TCA problem here will do you little good as there are actually some free thinking individuals here who will "side" with you! I think it is far better to repair or rebuild old stuff rather than leave it in a junk box to rot because it isn't "collector worthy." But then I've been told that I have some funny ideas about hobbies. :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71643	From: calleytwo	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: TCA rant

Nothing to do with kit bashing Stumpy - it's to do with full "restorations" or repaints in scarce liveries being passed off on the selling market as "mint" or the real thing. That was always the point of TCA's request that members mark a restoration/repaint in some way. The person doing the refurbish may not have that intent but things pass on. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:11:03 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] RE: TCA rant   Larry, I get in trouble all the time for kit bashing and modifying old toy trains, mostly out of junk boxes. Collectors seem to hate me, maybe because they think that every train saved brings down the value of their stuff? The guy who invited me into the parking lot for a "thrashing" some years ago at the Spree because I rebuilt a junk #343 into a 2-8-0 comes to mind. Actually, bringing a TCA problem here will do you little good as there are actually some free thinking individuals here who will "side" with you! I think it is far better to repair or rebuild old stuff rather than leave it in a junk box to rot because it isn't "collector worthy." But then I've been told that I have some funny ideas about hobbies. :-) Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaGxpcW51BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTY0MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjE5MTA2MzA-?act=reply&messageNum=71642 [2] mailto:mrstumpy@...?subject=RE%3A%20TCA%20rant [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20TCA%20rant [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaXZkZmU0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjE5MTA2MzA- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71639;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Z3ZuazkxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTY0MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjE5MTA2MzAEdHBjSWQDNzE2Mzk- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkajY1MjNuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYxOTEwNjMw?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkajd1bDRjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzYxOTEwNjMw [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcjA4YXYyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjE5MTA2MzA- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJia2dyNWg4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2MTkxMDYzMA-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71644	From: Alan Smith	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: TCA rant

Stumpy , Amen ---- -- Free thinking generates new interesting models out of old mundane items. Maybe those without abilities or lack the imagination are satisfied with the items offered by our original beloved Gilbert AF. I for one find it a challenge to bring new life to old S scale stuff. Maybe, just maybe MTH can learn something from us bashers. After all they were designed to be toys. WE have made them into something else. Future generations could care less as we are a dying breed. Stumpy --- I and many others got your back. Just keep on ---- keeping on !! Enjoy life to the fullest for tomorrow may never come. Think about it --- boys and girls. Cheers, Old Dayton Spree Alan On 2/26/13 2:11 PM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > > > > Larry, I get in trouble all the time for kit bashing and modifying old toy > trains, mostly out of junk boxes. Collectors seem to hate me, maybe because > they think that every train saved brings down the value of their stuff? The > guy who invited me into the parking lot for a "thrashing" some years ago at > the Spree because I rebuilt a junk #343 into a 2-8-0 comes to mind. > > Actually, bringing a TCA problem here will do you little good as there are > actually some free thinking individuals here who will "side" with you! I > think it is far better to repair or rebuild old stuff rather than leave it in > a junk box to rot because it isn't "collector worthy." > > But then I've been told that I have some funny ideas about hobbies. :-) > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71645	From: Timboy	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: While You Weren't Looking...

Guys, I was so busy building my "Sibley", that I didn't even notice all the ranting going on. Gee, while you guys were busy with that, I was busy doing this: http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ Hey boys! Let's build some toys! Where did I hear THAT before? :) :) :) :) -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71646	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available

Help me understand this concept - please. You pay $55.00 for a club membership from MTH and you get what for it? Best Regards Paul K ++++++++++++++++++++ Hello all, I am posting this notice that I recently posted on an OGR forum for your information... "Hello everyone, A posting on another thread stated that the new R-T-R O-Gauge MTH 2013 catalog was now online. I found this to be true and while perusing the catalog found the first notice of the MTH S gauge Railroader's Club membership. I called MTH and ordered my membership...(apparently I was #1). You can order it online but my computer advised against that as MTH's security certificate had expired?? Whatever...I ordered it over the phone for $55.00. The attachment below shows you what you get. The person who took the order at MTH was kind of vague as to the S gauge catalog release date. Anyway it appears that some progress is being made at MTH. Check out the picture of the membership car in the attachment." Apparently the attachment won't post in this forum so check out the details at MTH.com if you are interested. The new car will be a B&O Sentinel Boxcar in grey and blue. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71647	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available

the correct email address is mthtrains.com then go to mthrrc, that will give you what is available for joining mel perry On Feb 26, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Paul A Krause wrote: > Help me understand this concept - please. You pay $55.00 for a club > membership from MTH and you get what for it? > > Best Regards > > Paul K > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > Hello all, > I am posting this notice that I recently posted on an OGR forum for > your > information... > > "Hello everyone, > A posting on another thread stated that the new R-T-R O-Gauge MTH 2013 > catalog was now online. I found this to be true and while perusing the > catalog found the first notice of the MTH S gauge Railroader's Club > membership. > I called MTH and ordered my membership...(apparently I was #1). You > can > order it online but my computer advised against that as MTH's security > certificate had expired?? Whatever...I ordered it over the phone > for $55.00. > The attachment below shows you what you get. The person who took > the order > at MTH was kind of vague as to the S gauge catalog release date. > Anyway it appears that some progress is being made at MTH. > Check out the picture of the membership car in the attachment." > > Apparently the attachment won't post in this forum so check out the > details > at MTH.com if you are interested. The new car will be a B&O > Sentinel Boxcar > in grey and blue. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71648	From: rzuerlein2001	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available

Paul: Check it out: http://www.mthtrains.com/content/mthrrc-club Roger Zuerlein --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Paul A Krause" <pakrause5@...> wrote: > > Help me understand this concept - please. You pay $55.00 for a club > membership from MTH and you get what for it? > > > > Best Regards > > > > Paul K

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71649	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re;TCA rant

Most folks who have collected anything (vintage cars, rare books, toy trains, etc) know that there is always some "counterfeiting" going on. That has been the bane of collecting and the basis for phrasology like "Buyer Beware." There are always those in our society who are ready to take advantage of the unwary or less than knowledgeable, and eBay has opened the door to fakery very wide. If you buy anything that is shown in dark or blurry photos, the description doesn't jibe with history, or you don't know the item but want it real bad, consider yourself a sucker. It will take more than TCA "stickers" or rants to stop such thieves, YOU the buyer must decide if the item "is real or Memorex" as we used to say. If a crook will go so far as to create a really good fake, what makes you think he's afraid of the TCA? Meanwhile, I wish collectors would get off the back of those who have the imagination and skill to save and kit bash junkers. We're not the ones who will steal from you! Our supposed "sins" are there for all to see! :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71650	From: DennisC	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Paul A Krause" <pakrause5@...> wrote: > > Help me understand this concept - please. You pay $55.00 for a club > membership from MTH and you get what for it? > > > > Best Regards > > > > Paul K > > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Hello all, > I am posting this notice that I recently posted on an OGR forum for your > information... > > "Hello everyone, > A posting on another thread stated that the new R-T-R O-Gauge MTH 2013 > catalog was now online. I found this to be true and while perusing the > catalog found the first notice of the MTH S gauge Railroader's Club > membership. > I called MTH and ordered my membership...(apparently I was #1). You can > order it online but my computer advised against that as MTH's security > certificate had expired?? Whatever...I ordered it over the phone for $55.00. > The attachment below shows you what you get. The person who took the order > at MTH was kind of vague as to the S gauge catalog release date. > Anyway it appears that some progress is being made at MTH. > Check out the picture of the membership car in the attachment." > > Apparently the attachment won't post in this forum so check out the details > at MTH.com if you are interested. The new car will be a B&O Sentinel Boxcar > in grey and blue. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71651	From: jfred436	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: TCA rant

The reason my referbished or bashed things get my own roadname, nobody after I'm gone will be able to pass htem off as anything else. jfred --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Smith <alansmith@...> wrote: > > Stumpy , > > Amen ---- -- Free thinking generates new interesting models out of old > mundane items. Maybe those without abilities or lack the imagination are > satisfied with the items offered by our original beloved Gilbert AF. I > for one find it a challenge to bring new life to old S scale stuff. Maybe, > just maybe MTH can learn something from us bashers. After all they were > designed to be toys. WE have made them into something else. Future > generations could care less as we are a dying breed. > > Stumpy --- I and many others got your back. Just keep on ---- keeping on > !! Enjoy life to the fullest for tomorrow may never come. Think about > it --- boys and girls. > > Cheers, > Old Dayton Spree Alan > > > On 2/26/13 2:11 PM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry, I get in trouble all the time for kit bashing and modifying old toy > > trains, mostly out of junk boxes. Collectors seem to hate me, maybe because > > they think that every train saved brings down the value of their stuff? The > > guy who invited me into the parking lot for a "thrashing" some years ago at > > the Spree because I rebuilt a junk #343 into a 2-8-0 comes to mind. > > > > Actually, bringing a TCA problem here will do you little good as there are > > actually some free thinking individuals here who will "side" with you! I > > think it is far better to repair or rebuild old stuff rather than leave it in > > a junk box to rot because it isn't "collector worthy." > > > > But then I've been told that I have some funny ideas about hobbies. :-) > > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71652	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/26/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available

Paul K: I wondered that myself. According to one of the MTH catalogs, as a member you will receive: The annual Limited Edition Club car specific to your membership. (there are eight club divisions: Railking, Premier, Lionel Corp Standard Gauge, Tinplate O Gauge, Tinplate Standard Gauge, Lionel Corp O Gauge, Basic membership (does not include club car), One-Gauge Membership and HO Membership. And now, apparently, an S membership is availabl for $55.00. Membership prices vary from $50~$120. The opportunity to purchase club cars from other membership divisions. The club cars are not available in stores, but I have seen them at shows on the secondary market. The Crossing Gate Club Magazine 1st Class Mailing of MTH catalogs Railware Software (track planning program) Club Card and Lapel Pin Proto Sound 2.0 Upgrade Kits Club Web Site access. Looks to me like the cost of whichever membership you choose equals the cost of the car you receive. The rest would probably be useful for some people. Roy Inman From: Paul A Krause <pakrause5@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:10:07 -0500 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] MTH S gauge Railroader Club Membership now available Help me understand this concept - please. You pay $55.00 for a club membership from MTH and you get what for it? Best Regards Paul K ++++++++++++++++++++ Hello all, I am posting this notice that I recently posted on an OGR forum for your information... "Hello everyone, A posting on another thread stated that the new R-T-R O-Gauge MTH 2013 catalog was now online. I found this to be true and while perusing the catalog found the first notice of the MTH S gauge Railroader's Club membership. I called MTH and ordered my membership...(apparently I was #1). You can order it online but my computer advised against that as MTH's security certificate had expired?? Whatever...I ordered it over the phone for $55.00. The attachment below shows you what you get. The person who took the order at MTH was kind of vague as to the S gauge catalog release date. Anyway it appears that some progress is being made at MTH. Check out the picture of the membership car in the attachment." Apparently the attachment won't post in this forum so check out the details at MTH.com if you are interested. The new car will be a B&O Sentinel Boxcar in grey and blue. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71653	From: Dr Trains	Date: 2/27/2013
Subject: MTH interests

I do not know if anyone is truly interested in MTH and their methods of doing business, except to say that Mike Wolf and MTH are very successful at producing a wide variety of high quality items and is giving Lionel a real competitor to fear and therefore also encourages Lionel/AF to improve and offer new products as well as improving (maybe questionable) the "old" stuff. I am including a copy of a letter that I sent to MTH (a follow up of previous thread) and MTH's response for your perusal. NO COMMENT NECESSARY, just read or don't. Peter Loeb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- see below: * kirstin@...   To * Model Trains That Do More Thank you for contacting MTH Electric Trains.  We appreciate your interest in our products.  I am sorry for the delay in responding to your email.  We appreciate your comments, feedback and offer; I have forwarded your email to our product development team for further review and consideration. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you,   Kirstin Martinez MTH Electric Trains     -----Original Message----- From: "Model Trains That Do More" <dtrains@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:59pm To: kirstin@... Subject: Main Contact form Submitted on Monday, February 11, 2013 - 14:01 Submitted by user: Submitted values are: Name: Dr. K. Loeb Email Address: dtrains@... Subject of your Email: Other Your message: To Mr. Mike Wolf! Welcome to the interesting world of "S".... it occurred to me that positive thinking & positive action creates positive results. So here is my five cents worth: Thank you Mike Wolf for your interest in S, and your purchase of SHS. The SHS line is a wonderfull highest quality effort to bring to market the finest (in any scale) model railroading locomotives, rolling stock and track. It also reflects the finest quality traditions of A.C. Gilbert's "American Flyer". I (we) all admire your products in Standard Gauge, O, HO, and now, soon to be S. You started off doing repairs and then reproductions of pre-war trains, then graduated to producing an immense variety of high quality items, that DO preform out of the box, as witnessed by many Std /O enthusiasts whom I have had the pleasure of meeting over the years. In contrast to Lionel mechanical/ electronic problems on brand new products in S and also O. Have followed your development and growth (with a bit of envy) over the years and am so impressed with your many skills and business savy, congratulations! I do very much wish your entry into S will bring you many rewards. I might also offer a hand to help with any S related research/development/ product ideas and suggestions as to what might be most needed in S (for example) flex-track, larger radius curved track ,above 29", and #5/#6 switches. In Closing I would like to state how grand it is to have one of the premier quality manufactures and promoters of model/toy train products in the world. (Which Mikes Train House is). I really am only interested in promoting the amazing group of modelers in involved in 3/16" scale "S" AF/high rail/Scale. And to be heard in a positive reenforcing way...after all, those who see that their efforts are valued, respected and appreciated, WILL pay attention. We are indeed very fortunate to have MTH involved in S and YOU WILL give Lionel a run for their money! S-gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb ...Involved in S and all railroading since childhood, former S manufacturer, and model railroad hobby shop owner... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71654	From: Michael Rector	Date: 2/27/2013
Subject: Re: While You Weren't Looking...

AMEN..       Looking good, Tim. ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] While You Weren't Looking...   Guys, I was so busy building my "Sibley", that I didn't even notice all the ranting going on. Gee, while you guys were busy with that, I was busy doing this: http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ Hey boys! Let's build some toys! Where did I hear THAT before? :) :) :) :) -Tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71655	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 2/27/2013
Subject: DC can motors available again

Just a follow up notice that we are once again able to supply the standard speed can motors for American Flyer Steam locos. Steve Blackburn S-'n-S Trains 3239 N Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.snstrains.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71656	From: Jay	Date: 2/27/2013
Subject: Christmas Layout

This was my Christmas layout this year. Finally got around to posting. This was the first layout in which I used a crossover. I picked up 3 last yr at a meet for a few dollars. Unfortunately, the Klasgo Magic Mill no longer works. The last time I saw it work was sometime in the late 70's (on my uncle's layout)' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb80cmZqYQU&feature=youtu.be

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71657	From: Jamie Bothwell	Date: 2/28/2013
Subject: Scranton Convention Now Open

Hi Folks, I very pleased to announce that On-Line registration for the 2103 NASG Convention is now open. Just go to the NASG website (nasg.org) and follow the links. You can pay with a credit card or Paypal. If you want to mail a check, that form should be available very soon. You can also reserve a hotel room by following the links on the site if you haven't done so already. If you have any questions, please ask. You can email me at the address above, and my phone number is available in the NASG's online directory. Stay tuned for more exciting Convention News including a special modeling contest I am planning. Jamie Bothwell 2013 NASG Convention Chairman Listen to what "Joe Biden" has to say about Scranton, but then sign up anyway! ;~) (It's about 3 minutes in.) http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/14/snl-does-last-weeks-vice-presidential-debate/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71658	From: James	Date: 2/28/2013
Subject: arduino to atiny

For those who have found arduinos useful, there is a way to shrink both the size and cost. Check out this (via a MIT project!) use of porting simpler arduino projects into atiny! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30rPt802n1k&NR=1 It's pretty simple, just the coolest thing, and best of all may save something like $10 per project.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71659	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/1/2013
Subject: Re: Scranton Convention Now Open

Jamie, 2103 NASG Convention????? I don't plan that far ahead - lol! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Bothwell" <jamie.bothwell@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > I very pleased to announce that On-Line registration for the 2103 NASG Convention is now open. Just go to the NASG website (nasg.org) and follow the links. You can pay with a credit card or Paypal. If you want to mail a check, that form should be available very soon. You can also reserve a hotel room by following the links on the site if you haven't done so already. If you have any questions, please ask. You can email me at the address above, and my phone number is available in the NASG's online directory. Stay tuned for more exciting Convention News including a special modeling contest I am planning. > Jamie Bothwell > 2013 NASG Convention Chairman > > Listen to what "Joe Biden" has to say about Scranton, but then sign up anyway! ;~) (It's about 3 minutes in.) > > http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/14/snl-does-last-weeks-vice-presidential-debate/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71660	From: Timboy	Date: 3/2/2013
Subject: The Trains On The Tracks Go 'Round & 'Round; 'Round & 'Round...

Michael, I've at least gotten to the point where I can run trains on all the loops. There is a video embedded in the site where the link goes. http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71662	From: traindavid	Date: 3/2/2013
Subject: They're still out there!

Stuff is still to be found! This morning I was contemplating what to do around the house before I have to go to work (in about an hour and a half now) when the phone rang. It was an old car friend who said, "There's a yard sale out by the airport with a table of American Flyer trains and a big two-handled transformer. I know he's been offered $60 for it." "I'm on my way! says I (while looking for some clothes to throw on.) Now, this is a 25 minute trip, at best, so my odds are looking pretty long, I figure! Think I did the trip in 20 minutes--no smokies around (the first 1/3 of this trip is on rural back roads). Well, we pull up, and there's an 18B on a card table, two 283s and at least a dozen various cars (nothing very scarce though). Underneath is a plastic tote box with plasticville buildings and track in it. "How much for the trains?" ask I? "Well, I don't know much about them, they're not Lionel, but I want $80 for them--I've got a guy who will give me $60 if they're still here at the end of the day" "Well, they won't be here at the end of the day!" says I, while handing him the cash. Everyone laughs! They ask me about the trains while I'm packing them, and I tell them AF was the third most poplular brand of the day and the trains they have are from '54 to '56--in fact there were the remains of a '55 and a '56 catalog there (We do they always seem to lose the cover and first page?). The 18b is a late one, with the stamped handles--and one is missing. I still have to inventory everything--there were two plastic totes there, with lids, so I grabbed some old newspapers out of the back of my truck and proceeded to fill one tote with trains and then some of the plasticville buildings out of the other tote so I could put the lid--it's a bit of a drive home. There's a pair of switches in there too, but I still haven't gone through the stuff--that will have to wait until tomorrow, as I have to get ready for work now--but I had to pass on the news! The seller told me the other guy said that he would be able to double his money at $60--well I guess so--even at $20 a car there's a whole lot more value there! OH BOY HURK!! TRAINS!!!!!! More later. Nice folks too, We bought an electric water cooling drinking fountain for our church from them too. Apparently (from what they told us) someone's parents had a train set on a plywood board--there were no accessories, except for a whistling billboard & an uncoupler. Run 'em if ya got 'em! S' David Dewey PS, We scored other stuff at other sales on the way home--Roll around battery charger from the '60s, some European hinges for the kitchen cabinets I still have to make, a vacuum cleaner for me to take on piano tunings so I don't have to ask to borrow the client's. Egads, too much fun in one morning!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71663	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/2/2013
Subject: Re: SMOKER WIRE - WHAT IS IT?

Its nichrome wire, and you can get it from Portlines Hobby (just google them) On 2013-03-02, at 3:53 PM, Allen wrote: > I would like to make my own smoker element. > > Does anyone know what the wire is that is used for that, and where I might get it? > > Thanks guys. > > > W. Allen Evans > Covington, LA > > NMRA / NASG > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71664	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/2/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/3/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71665	From: c100495	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: Re: They're still out there!

Good for you on the find!!! I guess I will have to go to more yard sales. Fred, Massachusetts --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Stuff is still to be found! This morning I was contemplating what to do > around the house before I have to go to work (in about an hour and a half > now) when the phone rang. It was an old car friend who said, "There's a yard > sale out by the airport with a table of American Flyer trains and a big > two-handled transformer. I know he's been offered $60 for it." > "I'm on my way! says I (while looking for some clothes to throw on.) Now, > this is a 25 minute trip, at best, so my odds are looking pretty long, I > figure! Think I did the trip in 20 minutes--no smokies around (the first 1/3 > of this trip is on rural back roads). Well, we pull up, and there's an 18B > on a card table, two 283s and at least a dozen various cars (nothing very > scarce though). Underneath is a plastic tote box with plasticville buildings > and track in it. "How much for the trains?" ask I? "Well, I don't know > much about them, they're not Lionel, but I want $80 for them--I've got a guy > who will give me $60 if they're still here at the end of the day" > "Well, they won't be here at the end of the day!" says I, while handing him > the cash. Everyone laughs! They ask me about the trains while I'm packing > them, and I tell them AF was the third most poplular brand of the day and > the trains they have are from '54 to '56--in fact there were the remains of > a '55 and a '56 catalog there (We do they always seem to lose the cover and > first page?). > The 18b is a late one, with the stamped handles--and one is missing. I > still have to inventory everything--there were two plastic totes there, with > lids, so I grabbed some old newspapers out of the back of my truck and > proceeded to fill one tote with trains and then some of the plasticville > buildings out of the other tote so I could put the lid--it's a bit of a > drive home. There's a pair of switches in there too, but I still haven't > gone through the stuff--that will have to wait until tomorrow, as I have to > get ready for work now--but I had to pass on the news! The seller told me > the other guy said that he would be able to double his money at $60--well I > guess so--even at $20 a car there's a whole lot more value there! > OH BOY HURK!! TRAINS!!!!!! > More later. Nice folks too, We bought an electric water cooling drinking > fountain for our church from them too. Apparently (from what they told us) > someone's parents had a train set on a plywood board--there were no > accessories, except for a whistling billboard & an uncoupler. > Run 'em if ya got 'em! > S' > David Dewey > PS, We scored other stuff at other sales on the way home--Roll around > battery charger from the '60s, some European hinges for the kitchen cabinets > I still have to make, a vacuum cleaner for me to take on piano tunings so I > don't have to ask to borrow the client's. Egads, too much fun in one > morning! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71666	From: MikeS	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: Re: The Trains On The Tracks Go 'Round & 'Round; 'Round & 'Round...

Tim - Greatly enjoy your layouts. Mike Spanier --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Michael, > > I've at least gotten to the point where I can run trains on all the loops. There is a video embedded in the site where the link goes. > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > -Tim >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71667	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: They're still out there

Around here, we had two hobby shops who for years ran big ads in the newspapers saying "We BUY Toy Trains!" I worked for one of them for twenty years and they bought a LOT of stuff! (And I ran through the junk regularly.) They pretty much "cleaned out" the area for about fifty miles around! They reached into Pittsburgh "territory" until the shops there started getting nasty. They even would get into minor bidding wars with each other, although only over good Lionel. You'd think that under those circumstances there would be little chance of there being anything left to find. WRONG! Every once in a while old Flyer, Lionel, or Marx stuff appears at yard sales or auctions, and there is TONS of old HO out there which of course almost nobody wants because it was so crude and unreliable. The point is that you should never give up looking because there are folks who might not have wanted to sell before, which allows the items to appear on the market now. Yes, most of the high value stuff is probably gone, but how do you ever really know for sure? Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71668	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: Re: SMOKER WIRE - WHAT IS IT?

I give the wire away and have done so for 40 years. If you send me a self addressed stamped envelope, I will send a length of #40 Nichrome wire (about 5 feet) on a 3 x 5 file card. My Repair Guide shows how to wind the wick and the companion video (at my personal web site (see below)) shows it being done. Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 tbbeqa@... http://tombarker.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71669	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/3/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71670	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: Flyonel UP 800 Troubleshooting Help Needed

Hi All, My Flyonel UP 800 started acting up this afternoon. It has sparks shooting out from the front truck, the drivers and the rear truck. Sometimes only one area sparks and sometimes it sparks everywhere. At times it looks like the thing is about to spontaneously combust. It happens all around the track and does not seem to be any worse in any particular spot on the track. If I disconnect the tender and just run the engine by itself there is no sparking anywhere. I have the smoke unit turned OFF. What should I be looking for? Thanks for any help you can offer! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71671	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /David D's Stuff/Yard Sale Find/Rolling stock B web.JPG Uploaded by : traindavid <djdewey@...> Description : Overal view of just the trains You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/David%20D%27s%20Stuff/Yard%20Sale%20Find/Rolling%20stock%20B%20web.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, traindavid <djdewey@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71672	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/3/2013
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Looks good David - good find. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:4 Mar 2013 02:14:04 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] New file uploaded to S-Trains   Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /David D's Stuff/Yard Sale Find/Rolling stock B web.JPG Uploaded by : traindavid djdewey@... [1]> Description : Overal view of just the trains You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/David%20D%27s%20Stuff/Yard%20Sale%20Find/Rolling%20stock%20B%20web.JPG [2] To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html [3] Regards, traindavid djdewey@... [4]> ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:djdewey%40cncnet.com [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files/David%20D%27s%20Stuff/Yard%20Sale%20Find/Rolling%20stock%20B%20web.JPG [3] http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html [4] mailto:djdewey%40cncnet.com [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvc2o1bHJxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTY3MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjIzNjMyNDY-?act=reply&messageNum=71671 [6] mailto:?subject=Re%3A%20New%20file%20uploaded%20to%20S-Trains%20 [7] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20New%20file%20uploaded%20to%20S-Trains%20 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYjBtbTFmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjIzNjMyNDY- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/9806;_ylc=X3oDMTMzOW5nNGJmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTY3MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjIzNjMyNDYEdHBjSWQDOTgwNg-- [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbmE4bTJjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYyMzYzMjQ2?o=6 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMWR1c3FrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2MjM2MzI0Ng-- [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMTRhaWd2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjIzNjMyNDY- [13] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZzVicXY0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2MjM2MzI0Ng-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [19] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71673	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: Lionel LionChief Remote

Interesting new remote (pages 2 & 3)   http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/Interactive/2013rtr/index.html     If this actually hits the streets the techncially savvy folks out there might be able to expand it's use beyond just starter sets..      Brady  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71674	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: wgh san mateo revisted

as an aside, the new sprung freight car trucks, that lionel is fitting to is s gauge freight cars, will be available as a separate item later this year, the lionel rep stated it usually takes 6-9 months for an individual item to appear on the market, he did not know, whether or not this item would be available in scale and/or highrail, so if ed loizeaux's good twin "EdL" or one of the dealers who visit these sites, can check with their lionel contacts, and advise accordingly, it would be appreciated thanks mel perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71675	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: Pond Under Construction - Photos

Hi All, Tracie and I are adding a pond next to the farm house on our layout. You can follow the progress starting here: http://tinyurl.com/bvgxo8d I'll add more photos as we add the water and finish the scenery. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71676	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: Keystone Meet

The ANNUAL Keystone Div SPRING Meet will be held at St Philips RC Church on Saturday March 9th. EASY to find, the church is at the corner off PA Rts 741 & 999, in Millersville, PA. PLENTY OF FREE Parking available. Show opens at 9 AM, Keystone Div card carrying members can get in at 8 AM, membership IS available in Keystone,apply at front desk. AS before, Vendors and Keystone members MUST wear their name badges, no others will be admitted before 9AM. The Kitchen-Dining area WILL be open by 8 AM, great food by the church's Men's Club. American Flyer and Plasticville are usually easy to find at this event. IF TCA members wish tables ( our thru the door admissions are increasing ) contact _rontrain@..._ (mailto:rontrain@...) quickly. Adult Admission is still $ 4.00, kids 12 & under are still FREE. Jim Lyle Keystone Div Sec'y [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71677	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office quest

Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in general, what was on the record? Thanks, Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71678	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/4/2013
Subject: Re: NEW NON TOXIC UNSCENTED SMOKE FLUID VIDEO

New video of my new unscented non toxic fluid in a 21004 <iframe width="640" height="360" src="_http://www.youtube.com/embed/LAOaFb8eDJ0?feature=player_detailpage_ (http://www.youtube.com/embed/LAOaFb8eDJ0?feature=player_detailpage) " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71679	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/5/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

I'm not sure about the595, but the HO 257, while originallyconceived as a talking station, as produced it took the form of an S gauge 764 Express Shed but containing the talking station mechanism. The reason for this was that the mechanism would fit in an HO size station. The whistle mechanism did fit, so it could be found in an HO size station. As far as I know the 257 used the same record used in the S Gauge station of that period. You can see a photo of the express office at http://www.gilbertho.org/accessories/257.htm. Perhaps the owner of the station pictured can comment on the record used. The whistling station can be found at http://www.gilbertho.org/accessories/259.htm. Dale Smith On 3/4/2013 6:03 PM, acgilbertguy wrote: > > Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express > Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking > Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in > general, what was on the record? Thanks, Rich > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71680	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/5/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

The record #598 is the same for Pre War and Post War Talking Stations. Steam Version One Side Diesel Version Flip Side. The #599 Record is Post War one side calls out the number of the cars 911 etc and the other has a conversation between conductor and the control tower.  These would work in all American Flyer Talking Stations.  There is another record used for Erector. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 9:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in general, what was on the record? Thanks, Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71681	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/5/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel LionChief Remote

Is a LionChief remote limited to controlling only the engine that it comes with, or can it address other engines too? I think they might be engine specific. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > Interesting new remote (pages 2 & 3) >   > http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/Interactive/2013rtr/index.html >   >   > If this actually hits the streets the techncially savvy folks out there might be able to expand it's use beyond just starter sets..  >   >   > Brady  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71682	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/5/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

Tom, So I would think the 599 record would be more appropriate for the tool shed or express office. Are reproductions or the 599 record available? Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > The record #598 is the same for Pre War and Post War Talking Stations. Steam Version One Side Diesel Version Flip Side. The #599 Record is Post War one side calls out the number of the cars 911 etc and the other has a conversation between conductor and the control tower.  These would work in all American Flyer Talking Stations.  There is another record used for Erector. >   Tom Seccia > > > > > ________________________________ > From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 9:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question. > > >   > Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in general, what was on the record? Thanks, Rich > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71683	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/5/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

Hi Rich,                        No one to my knowledge has made a reproduction of the 599 Record.  If you can find an original that would most likely be better for the 595. Since the 595 was Pre War the call out numbers are for the knuckle coupler years, since the call out numbers such as 911, 912 are knuckle coupler cars. I believe the 599 Record was sold in 1956. Not sure if it was earlier than that.                                             Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Tom, So I would think the 599 record would be more appropriate for the tool shed or express office. Are reproductions or the 599 record available? Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia wrote: > > The record #598 is the same for Pre War and Post War Talking Stations. Steam Version One Side Diesel Version Flip Side. The #599 Record is Post War one side calls out the number of the cars 911 etc and the other has a conversation between conductor and the control tower.  These would work in all American Flyer Talking Stations.  There is another record used for Erector. >   Tom Seccia > > > > > ________________________________ > From: acgilbertguy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 9:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question. > > >   > Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in general, what was on the record? Thanks, Rich > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71684	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

Tom, Thanks for the information. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Rich, >                        No one to my knowledge has made a reproduction of the 599 Record.  If you can find an original that would most likely be better for the 595. Since the 595 was Pre War the call out numbers are for the knuckle coupler years, since the call out numbers such as 911, 912 are knuckle coupler cars. I believe the 599 Record was sold in 1956. Not sure if it was earlier than that. >                                             Tom Seccia > > > > > ________________________________ > From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:34 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question. > > >   > > > Tom, So I would think the 599 record would be more appropriate for the tool shed or express office. Are reproductions or the 599 record available? Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia wrote: > > > > The record #598 is the same for Pre War and Post War Talking Stations. Steam Version One Side Diesel Version Flip Side. The #599 Record is Post War one side calls out the number of the cars 911 etc and the other has a conversation between conductor and the control tower.  These would work in all American Flyer Talking Stations.  There is another record used for Erector. > >   Tom Seccia > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: acgilbertguy > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 9:03 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question. > > > > > >   > > Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in general, what was on the record? Thanks, Rich > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71685	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

? Tom you seem to have confused the issue here, Prewar cars are not knuckle couplers. Could you please rephrase this message to make sense. Thank you Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:55:14 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Hi Rich,                        No one to my knowledge has made a reproduction of the 599 Record.  If you can find an original that would most likely be better for the 595. Since the 595 was Pre War the call out numbers are for the knuckle coupler years, since the call out numbers such as 911, 912 are knuckle coupler cars. I believe the 599 Record was sold in 1956. Not sure if it was earlier than that.                                             Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy milepost407@... [1]> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Tom, So I would think the 599 record would be more appropriate for the tool shed or express office. Are reproductions or the 599 record available? Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3], Sheila Seccia wrote: > > The record #598 is the same for Pre War and Post War Talking Stations. Steam Version One Side Diesel Version Flip Side. The #599 Record is Post War one side calls out the number of the cars 911 etc and the other has a conversation between conductor and the control tower.  These would work in all American Flyer Talking Stations.  There is another record used for Erector. >   Tom Seccia > > > > > ________________________________ > From: acgilbertguy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 9:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question. > > >   > Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in general, what was on the record? Thanks, Rich > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcWswNXZvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTY4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjI1NTA2MDk-?act=reply&messageNum=71683 [6] mailto:trainsandhobbies@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20Pre-War%20%23595%20%20a-Koostikin%20Tool%20Shed%20and%20HO%20%23257%20Express%20Office%20question [7] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20Pre-War%20%23595%20%20a-Koostikin%20Tool%20Shed%20and%20HO%20%23257%20Express%20Office%20question. [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZXBwdHZmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjI1NTA2MDk- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71677;_ylc=X3oDMTM0b2V1c2I5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTY4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjI1NTA2MDkEdHBjSWQDNzE2Nzc- [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbmU5aGY4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYyNTUwNjA5?o=6 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbmUzNmtpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzYyNTUwNjA5 [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlanZvbzZvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2MjU1MDYwOQ-- [13] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjOWNocml1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjI1NTA2MDk- [14] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [15] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidHBjZWcyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2MjU1MDYwOQ-- [16] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [17] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [18] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [19] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [20] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71686	From: nightshift.geo	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: S Scale aged-weathered-tarped vehicles, E Bay

I put a few custom weathered-aged-tarped CARS on E Bay, also can be seen on Flickr (Nightshiftart). Only $14.99 includes US shipping, a few CARS also "toofer" $14.99 with $3.99 Ship. Also have some heavy equipment and a couple military done up the same. These cars with tarps give a little "wow" in person....the little scale folds and wrinkles really give an impression, would spark up your S layout (of course not that it NEEDS sparking up !!!) Hey, thanks for looking. Ron H,. Nightshiftart.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71687	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: S Scale aged-weathered-tarped vehicles, E Bay

how about your E-Bay seller name or a link to them, Mike In a message dated 3/6/2013 3:02:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, nightshift.geo@... writes: I put a few custom weathered-aged-tarped CARS on E Bay, also can be seen on Flickr (Nightshiftart). Only $14.99 includes US shipping, a few CARS also "toofer" $14.99 with $3.99 Ship. Also have some heavy equipment and a couple military done up the same. These cars with tarps give a little "wow" in person....the little scale folds and wrinkles really give an impression, would spark up your S layout (of course not that it NEEDS sparking up !!!) Hey, thanks for looking. Ron H,. Nightshiftart. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71688	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: "Project Atlantic" concludes this month!

Chuck Harrington has posted the latest Stumpy's Station "Project Atlantic" Part Seven on http://myflyertrains.org . This is the final installment on kit bashing the common American Flyer Atlantic and includes photos of the completed locomotive. All seven parts of "Project Atlantic" are posted in case you missed the beginning. Chuck also has my American Flyer Steam Locomotive Kit Bashing guide, the Easy "S" Scratch Building guide, and Make Your Own Operating cars guide posted as well. This is the only place you'll find them! Now before you get the wrong idea, be aware that there is a LOT more on My Flyer Trains than just my work! It's well worth a look for everyone! I want to thank Chuck for putting up with my articles. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71689	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

Hi Alistair,                       I was making reference to the knuckle coupler cars on the Post War record #599. Never said knuckle couplers were Pre War.  The #598 Record was both Pre War and Post War. The #599 Record is only Post War.                                           Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   ? Tom you seem to have confused the issue here, Prewar cars are not knuckle couplers. Could you please rephrase this message to make sense. Thank you Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:55:14 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Hi Rich,                        No one to my knowledge has made a reproduction of the 599 Record.  If you can find an original that would most likely be better for the 595. Since the 595 was Pre War the call out numbers are for the knuckle coupler years, since the call out numbers such as 911, 912 are knuckle coupler cars. I believe the 599 Record was sold in 1956. Not sure if it was earlier than that.                                             Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy milepost407@... [1]> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Tom, So I would think the 599 record would be more appropriate for the tool shed or express office. Are reproductions or the 599 record available? Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3], Sheila Seccia wrote: > > The record #598 is the same for Pre War and Post War Talking Stations. Steam Version One Side Diesel Version Flip Side. The #599 Record is Post War one side calls out the number of the cars 911 etc and the other has a conversation between conductor and the control tower.  These would work in all American Flyer Talking Stations.  There is another record used for Erector. >   Tom Seccia > > > > > ________________________________ > From: acgilbertguy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 9:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question. > > >   > Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in general, what was on the record? 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71690	From: Jamie Bothwell	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: More 2013 Convention

Hi All, I'd like to know what sorts of clinic topics might be of interest to Flyer Folks. Some of the clinics we already have planned will have appeal a broad cross section of attendees, but if you want to see something specific, or you want to present something, we want to hear form you. Please let me know. Jamie Bothwell 2013 Convention Chairman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71691	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

I can see that now but it was a bit ambiguous. Are you sure the prewar station record was the same as the postwar? I have two prewar stations but only one record and I have not got around to trying out the record. When I am feeling brave I will remove it and try it on something from my small phono collection. Regards Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:03:47 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Hi Alistair,                       I was making reference to the knuckle coupler cars on the Post War record #599. Never said knuckle couplers were Pre War.  The #598 Record was both Pre War and Post War. The #599 Record is only Post War.                                           Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "alizoo@... [1]" alizoo@... [2]> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   ? Tom you seem to have confused the issue here, Prewar cars are not knuckle couplers. Could you please rephrase this message to make sense. Thank you Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [5]" Cc: Sent:Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:55:14 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Hi Rich,                        No one to my knowledge has made a reproduction of the 599 Record.  If you can find an original that would most likely be better for the 595. Since the 595 was Pre War the call out numbers are for the knuckle coupler years, since the call out numbers such as 911, 912 are knuckle coupler cars. I believe the 599 Record was sold in 1956. Not sure if it was earlier than that.                                             Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy milepost407@... [6] [1]> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7] [2] Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Tom, So I would think the 599 record would be more appropriate for the tool shed or express office. Are reproductions or the 599 record available? Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [8] [3], Sheila Seccia wrote: > > The record #598 is the same for Pre War and Post War Talking Stations Steam Version One Side Diesel Version Flip Side. The #599 Record is Post War one side calls out the number of the cars 911 etc and the other has a conversation between conductor and the control tower.  These would work in all American Flyer Talking Stations.  There is another record used for Erector. >   Tom Seccia > > > > > ________________________________ > From: acgilbertguy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [9] [4] > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 9:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question. > > >   > Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in general, what was on the record? 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71692	From: Timboy	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: Re: "Project Atlantic" concludes this month!

That's a great job, Stumpy! I hope you take it to a show or three to show off and run! OBTW, I don't think you are a "babbling idiot". I've never heard you babble. :) :) :) :) Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Chuck Harrington has posted the latest Stumpy's Station "Project Atlantic" Part Seven on http://myflyertrains.org . This is the final installment on kit bashing the common American Flyer Atlantic and includes photos of the completed locomotive. > > All seven parts of "Project Atlantic" are posted in case you missed the beginning. Chuck also has my American Flyer Steam Locomotive Kit Bashing guide, the Easy "S" Scratch Building guide, and Make Your Own Operating cars guide posted as well. This is the only place you'll find them! > > Now before you get the wrong idea, be aware that there is a LOT more on My Flyer Trains than just my work! It's well worth a look for everyone! I want to thank Chuck for putting up with my articles. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71693	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 3/6/2013
Subject: SSL&S converted-to-scale USRA 2-8-8-2 video clip

http://sscale.org/1005/volume-2-no-2-lionels-usra-2-8-8-2-first-look/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71694	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/7/2013
Subject: Project Atlantic" concludes this month

The locomotive will appear at this year's Spring S Spree, along with a few other unique items on display and running on my somewhat "plain jane" layout. We love to talk to everyone, and Cindy has a spot to stay where she doesn't have to move around much. Cindy and I are very much looking forward to the Spree as medical and financial circumstances are forcing us to drastically limit our activities. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71695	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/7/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Project Atlantic"

Congratulations Stumpy on producing an excellent locomotive!! I really like this one, and I think it is one of your best projects. Keep up the good work! Al Baker Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71696	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/7/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

All PreWar accessories usually are in the 500 series. I believe the only exception may be the 612 Mystic Station with the crane, For example the 595 Talking Tool Shed, 596 Water Tank, 597 Talking Station, 598 Talking Station Record.  Post War accessories that began in the Post War era were usually in the 700 series. For example 755 Talking Station, 759 Bell Danger Signal, 760 Highwat Flasher, 761 Semaphore and many others. There are some exceptions, such as the 599 Record, 566 Billboard Whistle, 561 Billboard Horn, 568 Billboard Whistle, and the 590 Cedar Hill Junction. None of these numbers were used in the Pre War days. I never really understood Gilbert's numbering system, but you can see that most 500 series accessories began in the Pre War era.                                                          Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   I can see that now but it was a bit ambiguous. Are you sure the prewar station record was the same as the postwar? I have two prewar stations but only one record and I have not got around to trying out the record. When I am feeling brave I will remove it and try it on something from my small phono collection. Regards Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:03:47 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Hi Alistair,                       I was making reference to the knuckle coupler cars on the Post War record #599. Never said knuckle couplers were Pre War.  The #598 Record was both Pre War and Post War. The #599 Record is only Post War.                                           Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "alizoo@... [1]" alizoo@... [2]> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   ? Tom you seem to have confused the issue here, Prewar cars are not knuckle couplers. Could you please rephrase this message to make sense. Thank you Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [5]" Cc: Sent:Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:55:14 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Hi Rich,                        No one to my knowledge has made a reproduction of the 599 Record.  If you can find an original that would most likely be better for the 595. Since the 595 was Pre War the call out numbers are for the knuckle coupler years, since the call out numbers such as 911, 912 are knuckle coupler cars. I believe the 599 Record was sold in 1956. Not sure if it was earlier than that.                                             Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy milepost407@... [6] [1]> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7] [2] Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Tom, So I would think the 599 record would be more appropriate for the tool shed or express office. Are reproductions or the 599 record available? Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [8] [3], Sheila Seccia wrote: > > The record #598 is the same for Pre War and Post War Talking Stations Steam Version One Side Diesel Version Flip Side. The #599 Record is Post War one side calls out the number of the cars 911 etc and the other has a conversation between conductor and the control tower.  These would work in all American Flyer Talking Stations.  There is another record used for Erector. >   Tom Seccia > > > > > ________________________________ > From: acgilbertguy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [9] [4] > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 9:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question. > > >   > Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in general, what was on the record? 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71697	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

You think Gilbert's numbering system was bad you should see what he inherited from Chicago! Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Thu, 7 Mar 2013 19:34:23 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   All PreWar accessories usually are in the 500 series. I believe the only exception may be the 612 Mystic Station with the crane, For example the 595 Talking Tool Shed, 596 Water Tank, 597 Talking Station, 598 Talking Station Record.  Post War accessories that began in the Post War era were usually in the 700 series. For example 755 Talking Station, 759 Bell Danger Signal, 760 Highwat Flasher, 761 Semaphore and many others. There are some exceptions, such as the 599 Record, 566 Billboard Whistle, 561 Billboard Horn, 568 Billboard Whistle, and the 590 Cedar Hill Junction. None of these numbers were used in the Pre War days. I never really understood Gilbert's numbering system, but you can see that most 500 series accessories began in the Pre War era.                                                          Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "alizoo@... [1]alizoo@... [2]> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   I can see that now but it was a bit ambiguous. Are you sure the prewar station record was the same as the postwar? I have two prewar stations but only one record and I have not got around to trying out the record. When I am feeling brave I will remove it and try it on something from my small phono collection. Regards Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [5]" Cc: Sent:Wed, 6 Mar 2013 16:03:47 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Hi Alistair,                       I was making reference to the knuckle coupler cars on the Post War record #599. Never said knuckle couplers were Pre War.  The #598 Record was both Pre War and Post War. The #599 Record is only Post War.                                           Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "alizoo@... [6] [1]" alizoo@... [7] [2]> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [8] [3] Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   ? Tom you seem to have confused the issue here, Prewar cars are not knuckle couplers. Could you please rephrase this message to make sense. Thank you Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [9] [4] To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [10] [5]" Cc: Sent:Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:55:14 -0800 (PST) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Hi Rich,                        No one to my knowledge has made a reproduction of the 599 Record.  If you can find an original that would most likely be better for the 595. Since the 595 was Pre War the call out numbers are for the knuckle coupler years, since the call out numbers such as 911, 912 are knuckle coupler cars. I believe the 599 Record was sold in 1956. Not sure if it was earlier than that.                                             Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy milepost407@... [11] [6] [1]> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [12] [7] [2] Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question.   Tom, So I would think the 599 record would be more appropriate for the tool shed or express office. Are reproductions or the 599 record available? Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [13] [8] [3], Sheila Seccia wrote: > > The record #598 is the same for Pre War and Post War Talking Stations Steam Version One Side Diesel Version Flip Side. The #599 Record is Post War one side calls out the number of the cars 911 etc and the other has a conversation between conductor and the control tower.  These would work in all American Flyer Talking Stations.  There is another record used for Erector. >   Tom Seccia > > > > > ________________________________ > From: acgilbertguy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [14] [9] [4] > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 9:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office question. > > >   > Did the pre-war #595 Talking Tool Shed and HO #257 Talking Express Office have a different record than is in the #755 Mystic Talking Station? If so, are reproductions of this record available and, in general, what was on the record? 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71698	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Re: Pre-War #595 a-Koostikin Tool Shed and HO #257 Express Office q

The so-called "Hot Box" record has not been reproduced. However, we do offer it in digital format, complete with speaker, that can be inserted into any structure. It was made directly from the original record. We also offer the standard AF record in digital format (as well as the standard record), the eastbound and westbound "Continental Flyer" recordings, and all four NOMA Station recordings in digital format. These are $42.95 each. In addition, we just added two new digital units. One includes all 4 of the NOMA recordings on a single chip, with multiple control buttons so you can play your choice of the 4 recordings at any time, individually. The other offers the 4 AF recordings in the same format. These two units are $84.95 each. All NOMA units include instructions for operation with the original cupola control button on the station, if so-desired. Of course, all NOMA and AF units can be installed in ANY structure. They are not limited to installation in the original structures. And finally, we have the ERECTOR set reproduction record as well. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71699	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Question

I have recently purchased and alco comet there are some paint flakes missing off the body and large inchxquater  one near the window also one on top where the horn is missing, should I repaint these areas?  All the decals are fine and I wouldnt touch them although there is a quarter inch spot missing near one,  I do have the Floquil Paint that matchs the colors both the blue, silver and even the yellow was given about 75 bottles of the paint, are should I just soap and water clean it and leave it alone.   Second the plastic window on a Hamilton 962 is coming lose how should I reatach it, dont think super glue would be good ideal if I ever needed to replace the window set any ideals here, they also have play scuffs but not as much as the comet so just going to clean them.   Tks vm for imput James Davidson American Flyer Hi Rail buff jad01@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71700	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: 343 0-8-0 cogging -- SOLVED!

Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies: My 0-8-0 has had a slight cogging for decades. In the 1990s I soldered a washer under the front hole in each side rod. This pushed the hole forward. The cogging was reduced to the point that I could not tell when running with an American Flyer AC motor (on DC). The speed is always brisk. Now I am converting her to a true switcher. She is receiving DCC sound and a slow S-n-S motor. Slower is better. It took months of study before I figured it out. I never would have dreamed it but the flange on the front driver rubs the first blind driver. I pulled out a file, reduced the first blind drivers, and painted the raw metal black. The mechanism is now smooth as silk. Hmm. A later 0-8-0 chassis with pull-more wheels has smaller flanges. They do not come close to the blind drivers. I wonder. The locomotive is from 1954. She has seen a LOT of use since I received her in 1972. Is this a factory issue where the flanges are just too big? Or have I worn slots into the frame? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71701	From: Brady	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Website - The Reading Modeler

Neat site.. http://www.readingmodeler.com If you click on Downloads and Modeling Goodies you'll find some billboards and shipping crates.. Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71702	From: racin510	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Re: Question

It is OK to do what ever you want with these and I get that the blemishes bother you so go have fun and do the touch up. Future value really isn't an issue here ... may be worth more touched up nicely. I put coach windows in with contact cement .. like automotive parts store quality. Remove the window section completely and clean first. I have little success with 'super glue' for any application; it's just over rated. I prefer using 2-part 5min epoxy. I also use JB Weld for just about anything, even gluing pullmor tires on rims! Rick --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > > > > I have recently purchased and alco comet there are some paint flakes missing off > the body and large inchxquater  one near the window also one on top where the > horn is missing, should I repaint these areas?  All the decals are fine and I > wouldnt touch them although there is a quarter inch spot missing near one,  I do > have the Floquil Paint that matchs the colors both the blue, silver and even the > yellow was given about 75 bottles of the paint, are should I just soap and water > clean it and leave it alone. >   > Second the plastic window on a Hamilton 962 is coming lose how should I reatach > it, dont think super glue would be good ideal if I ever needed to replace the > window set any ideals here, they also have play scuffs but not as much as the > comet so just going to clean them. >   > Tks vm for imput > James Davidson > American Flyer Hi Rail buff > jad01@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71703	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Re: SSL&S converted-to-scale USRA 2-8-8-2 video clip

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Loizeaux" <Loizeaux@...> wrote: > > http://sscale.org/1005/volume-2-no-2-lionels-usra-2-8-8-2-first-look/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Very nice...and a fabulous layout,too. Mark in Oregon >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71704	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/8/2013
Subject: Re: Question

I agree with Rick, touch that Alco up. The collector value is already rather small once the chrome peels (very common) so do your best to make it presentable. Do the same with the passenger car. I differ with Rick on just one point, I use rubber cement or Walther's GOO (a "super" rubber cement)because both set slowly and even dried, they can be peeled off if need be. Once you attach with Super Glue or epoxy, you have no options. Enjoy your trains, that's what they were made for. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71705	From: Timboy	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Question

Rick, I agree with Stumpy. You do not need anyone's permission to do whatever you want to do with your American Flyer trains - in any condition. If you want to buy mint-in-box and kit-bash them or part them out, it is your option. Just know that you will devalue anything in collectible condition that you alter. That is primarily why we use junker parts for projects. That and the cost. Careful with super-glue. It will fog clear plastic. I found that out the hard way. :) :) :) :) Best of luck to you. Let us know how you make out! Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "racin510" <racin510@...> wrote: > > > It is OK to do what ever you want with these and I get that the blemishes bother you so go have fun and do the touch up. Future value really isn't an issue here ... may be worth more touched up nicely. > I put coach windows in with contact cement .. like automotive parts store quality. Remove the window section completely and clean first. I have little success with 'super glue' for any application; it's just over rated. I prefer using 2-part 5min epoxy. I also use JB Weld for just about anything, even gluing pullmor tires on rims! > Rick > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have recently purchased and alco comet there are some paint flakes missing off > > the body and large inchxquater  one near the window also one on top where the > > horn is missing, should I repaint these areas?  All the decals are fine and I > > wouldnt touch them although there is a quarter inch spot missing near one,  I do > > have the Floquil Paint that matchs the colors both the blue, silver and even the > > yellow was given about 75 bottles of the paint, are should I just soap and water > > clean it and leave it alone. > >   > > Second the plastic window on a Hamilton 962 is coming lose how should I reatach > > it, dont think super glue would be good ideal if I ever needed to replace the > > window set any ideals here, they also have play scuffs but not as much as the > > comet so just going to clean them. > >   > > Tks vm for imput > > James Davidson > > American Flyer Hi Rail buff > > jad01@ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71706	From: Dr Trains	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Question

Hi...there are always more than one way to solve any 'S" problem.... 1. Floquil, an excellent product, is not compatible with some plastics and will craze the plastic leaving fine "orange peel" or "spider wrinkles" in plastics. A side note: always test any paint on your plastic surface in a hidden spot first and wait a few hours to see what happens. Any water based, non solvent or enamel based, plastic compatible paint will work just fine...also some of the "Plactra" tiny bottle chrome and or aluminum enamel paints are great for touch-up. be sure to shake the heck out of it to get all the suspended metalic elements thuroughly mixed, use their brand thinner to thin-sparingly and to clean up. Additionally this paint does dry fast...and custom mixing a color to match AF is do-able, use a tiny bit of thinner to extend mixing/workiung time. The plus is that quick drying will let you check your match sooner. 2. another idea for "glazing" might be using "HYPO" cement, actually GS Hypo Cement Adhesive. Comes with a "hypo" applicator in a little red box . Prices vary from $3.50 to over $7.00 (ebay S seller) Check Google for best prices/listings. Now why this product?...well it is a non fogging adhesive used by jewlers-watchmakers for setting clear cases and stones etc. You can not beat it for precision, durability and "clean" application on any clear (window materials, including any plastics) materials. Good luck and have fun Sgaugingly yours, Peter Loeb ________________________________ From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 12:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Question   I have recently purchased and alco comet there are some paint flakes missing off the body and large inchxquater  one near the window also one on top where the horn is missing, should I repaint these areas?  All the decals are fine and I wouldnt touch them although there is a quarter inch spot missing near one,  I do have the Floquil Paint that matchs the colors both the blue, silver and even the yellow was given about 75 bottles of the paint, are should I just soap and water clean it and leave it alone.   Second the plastic window on a Hamilton 962 is coming lose how should I reatach it, dont think super glue would be good ideal if I ever needed to replace the window set any ideals here, they also have play scuffs but not as much as the comet so just going to clean them.   Tks vm for imput James Davidson American Flyer Hi Rail buff jad01@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71707	From: Jerry	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Question

James, As others on this site have already said, do whatever you wish with your trains. If you want to touch them up to make them look better, then by all means, do so. Since they're already "blemished", then with careful touch up, you can't make them any worse. As far as being "collectable", I subscribe to the motto of "If it's advertised as collectable, it probably isn't". ;>) It's all in the mind of the beholder (or collector). Yes, there are great things from Gilbert and if it's truly in great condition, leave it alone. But the trains were built as toys, and toys they remain. Stumpy, lend me your flameproof suit.... (kidding) And Floquil paint should be OK on Gilbert plastic. But as suggested, try in on the inside of the shell first, just in case. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > > > > I have recently purchased and alco comet there are some paint flakes missing off > the body and large inchxquater one near the window also one on top where the > horn is missing, should I repaint these areas? All the decals are fine and I > wouldnt touch them although there is a quarter inch spot missing near one, I do > have the Floquil Paint that matchs the colors both the blue, silver and even the > yellow was given about 75 bottles of the paint, are should I just soap and water > clean it and leave it alone. > > Second the plastic window on a Hamilton 962 is coming lose how should I reatach > it, dont think super glue would be good ideal if I ever needed to replace the > window set any ideals here, they also have play scuffs but not as much as the > comet so just going to clean them. > > Tks vm for imput > James Davidson > American Flyer Hi Rail buff > jad01@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71708	From: tbennerohio	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Electronic reverse unit in SIT K-5

Greetings all, Has anyone tried to mount an electronic reverse unit into the boiler of a SIT K-5? It looks like one should fit in there but don't want to find out the hard way that it is not possible. This K-5 is a former box of parts basket case. It has been repainted and relettered. It now has a flywheel can motor and a can motor driving the SIT bellows. The AF reverse unit was rebuilt but is acting up after just a few hours. The can motor creep when the reverse unit cycles is also inconvenient when trying to run at more scale speeds. Since it has to come apart anyway we might as well fix those problems permanently. I appreciate your experiences and input! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71709	From: racin510	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Question

Tim, nice to see you agree with me. As far as gluing the one little window back in, I still say contact cement. It's cheap and easy and likely in your kitchen drawer. Just place the window before the cement fully sets up so that you can move it slightly to get it framed perfectly. Rick --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Rick, > > I agree with Stumpy. You do not need anyone's permission to do whatever you want to do with your American Flyer trains - in any condition. If you want to buy mint-in-box and kit-bash them or part them out, it is your option. Just know that you will devalue anything in collectible condition that you alter. That is primarily why we use junker parts for projects. That and the cost. > > Careful with super-glue. It will fog clear plastic. I found that out the hard way. :) :) :) :) > > Best of luck to you. Let us know how you make out! > > Tim > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "racin510" <racin510@> wrote: > > > > > > It is OK to do what ever you want with these and I get that the blemishes bother you so go have fun and do the touch up. Future value really isn't an issue here ... may be worth more touched up nicely. > > I put coach windows in with contact cement .. like automotive parts store quality. Remove the window section completely and clean first. I have little success with 'super glue' for any application; it's just over rated. I prefer using 2-part 5min epoxy. I also use JB Weld for just about anything, even gluing pullmor tires on rims! > > Rick > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have recently purchased and alco comet there are some paint flakes missing off > > > the body and large inchxquater  one near the window also one on top where the > > > horn is missing, should I repaint these areas?  All the decals are fine and I > > > wouldnt touch them although there is a quarter inch spot missing near one,  I do > > > have the Floquil Paint that matchs the colors both the blue, silver and even the > > > yellow was given about 75 bottles of the paint, are should I just soap and water > > > clean it and leave it alone. > > >   > > > Second the plastic window on a Hamilton 962 is coming lose how should I reatach > > > it, dont think super glue would be good ideal if I ever needed to replace the > > > window set any ideals here, they also have play scuffs but not as much as the > > > comet so just going to clean them. > > >   > > > Tks vm for imput > > > James Davidson > > > American Flyer Hi Rail buff > > > jad01@ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71710	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/10/2013, 4:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71711	From: Jerry	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Electronic reverse unit in SIT K-5

Tim,, I did that swap to a junker K5 a few years ago, and the reverse unit fits great. I also added a can motor because the original open froma motor was missing (that's how much of a junk box locomotive mine was). It's now painted PRR colors and runs like a champ. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Greetings all, > > Has anyone tried to mount an electronic reverse unit into the boiler of a SIT K-5? It looks like one should fit in there but don't want to find out the hard way that it is not possible. > > This K-5 is a former box of parts basket case. It has been repainted and relettered. It now has a flywheel can motor and a can motor driving the SIT bellows. The AF reverse unit was rebuilt but is acting up after just a few hours. The can motor creep when the reverse unit cycles is also inconvenient when trying to run at more scale speeds. Since it has to come apart anyway we might as well fix those problems permanently. > > I appreciate your experiences and input! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71712	From: Jerry	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Electronic reverse unit in SIT K-5

Tim, Geez, I should read more carefully. I mounted the reverse unit in the tender of a SIB K5, not the boiler.... Jerry (sometimes in too much of a hurry) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Greetings all, > > Has anyone tried to mount an electronic reverse unit into the boiler of a SIT K-5? It looks like one should fit in there but don't want to find out the hard way that it is not possible. > > This K-5 is a former box of parts basket case. It has been repainted and relettered. It now has a flywheel can motor and a can motor driving the SIT bellows. The AF reverse unit was rebuilt but is acting up after just a few hours. The can motor creep when the reverse unit cycles is also inconvenient when trying to run at more scale speeds. Since it has to come apart anyway we might as well fix those problems permanently. > > I appreciate your experiences and input! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71713	From: snstrains	Date: 3/9/2013
Subject: Re: Electronic reverse unit in SIT K-5

I have mounted several in the boiler. fit just fine. (Dallee) Steve SnS tains In a message dated 3/9/2013 8:20:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, poniaj@... writes: Tim, Geez, I should read more carefully. I mounted the reverse unit in the tender of a SIB K5, not the boiler.... Jerry (sometimes in too much of a hurry) --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Greetings all, > > Has anyone tried to mount an electronic reverse unit into the boiler of a SIT K-5? It looks like one should fit in there but don't want to find out the hard way that it is not possible. > > This K-5 is a former box of parts basket case. It has been repainted and relettered. It now has a flywheel can motor and a can motor driving the SIT bellows. The AF reverse unit was rebuilt but is acting up after just a few hours. The can motor creep when the reverse unit cycles is also inconvenient when trying to run at more scale speeds. Since it has to come apart anyway we might as well fix those problems permanently. > > I appreciate your experiences and input! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71714	From: traindavid	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Those Excellent except. . . cars find a new home.

A box arrived at my house the other day, all the way from Maryland. Inside was some American Flyer train cars, the same ones that were part of a controversial thread here last week. I guess in some ways I should thank the ‘perps’ because I now have 6 neat cars, three Northern Pacific passenger cars and three freight cars. Granted, non of them are in perfect condition, but the NP cars have wonderful paint jobs, and really are in great condition—except that two of them have an end of one skirt broken off. Well, if you never look at that side, the cars look excellent! Actually, I haven’t found the flow in the observation car yet. The three freight cars have their own problems, but still look great on the track. One IC reefer (my favorite childhood car—I know, simple and bottom line, but it’s the only car I had two of, so I could imagine a string of them, like on the SP out the back window). The an NP reefer in good concision—that came off Bob Tuft’s table at a train meet years ago-so that’s special, IMHO. Then the hopper; it has a melt mark inside, and one step slightly gone, so put a load in it, and the melt mark is gone. There’s some wear on the paint too (weathering??), but it’s a Maryland and I didn’t have one before, so neat-o! So, many thanks Mike for sending them to me, as they have a new home, where they are appreciated! Guys & Gals, we need to be more tolerant here and respectful of others, even if we disagree with them. So, run 'em if ya got 'em. S' David D. PS I'm going to miss Chat Sunday, I'll be on the road chasing a Theatre Organ lead.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71715	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/10/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71716	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Re: Question

Tks for all the suggestions, just got back from small one day TCA train show in Columbia SC, there were couple af dealers and very happy with my purchase, scored a 23763 Bell Danger Signal thats never been used, has the box with a $3.64 price tag on it and the micro switch, purchase the signal for $25 only thing I purchased but it is great, as far as the engine I will touch it up, but found out something looking very closelly at it, its a AF factory repaint, it orginally must been a defect paint job because you can see red bleed thru from when it was first painted as a Santa Fee, and you can see the curved lines under the silver on the side, but it is a factory repaint the paint is too crisp where it was repainted, worked on a club comet few mths before and it is the same scheme. He,he I gotta get my track put back together, took it all apart to redo it and weather turned bad too cold to work in the garage, got the comet to run the old grease was froze up, cleaned and oiled it runs fine now, but gotta get my track back. Tks vm James Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71717	From: tbennerohio	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Re: Electronic reverse unit in SIT K-5

Thanks, Gents! I will get a couple of Dallee 518s ordered. You can always count on the experience in this group. The SIT locos run so much smoother at low speed than the SIBs. The extra worm gear and piston drive in the SIBs must create a lot more drag than one would think. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > I have mounted several in the boiler. fit just fine. (Dallee) > > Steve > SnS tains > > > In a message dated 3/9/2013 8:20:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > poniaj@... writes: > > > > > Tim, > > Geez, I should read more carefully. I mounted the reverse unit in the > tender of a SIB K5, not the boiler.... > > Jerry > (sometimes in too much of a hurry) > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@> wrote: > > > > Greetings all, > > > > Has anyone tried to mount an electronic reverse unit into the boiler of > a SIT K-5? It looks like one should fit in there but don't want to find out > the hard way that it is not possible. > > > > This K-5 is a former box of parts basket case. It has been repainted and > relettered. It now has a flywheel can motor and a can motor driving the > SIT bellows. The AF reverse unit was rebuilt but is acting up after just a > few hours. The can motor creep when the reverse unit cycles is also > inconvenient when trying to run at more scale speeds. Since it has to come apart > anyway we might as well fix those problems permanently. > > > > I appreciate your experiences and input! > > > > Tim Benner > > Dayton, Ohio > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71718	From: racin510	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Re: Question

Good going James. And that's a very good buy on the bell danger. Factory repaints seem to have not been unusual; inventory low on the Comet, grab some Santa Fe shells and squirt them because they always had Santa fe's available. Too bad they were so cheap with how much paint they were allowed to use that bleed thru was common! Sounds like your Comet is a painted version rather than chrome as assumed by our guru Mr Stumpy so touch up will look much better. That's a real pretty diesel. Enjoy! Rick --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > Tks for all the suggestions, just got back from small one day TCA train show in > Columbia SC, there were couple af dealers and very happy with my purchase, > scored a 23763 Bell Danger Signal thats never been used, has the box with a > $3.64 price tag on it and the micro switch, purchase the signal for $25 only > thing I purchased but it is great, as far as the engine I will touch it up, but > found out something looking very closelly at it, its a AF factory repaint, it > orginally must been a defect paint job because you can see red bleed thru from > when it was first painted as a Santa Fee, and you can see the curved lines under > the silver on the side, but it is a factory repaint the paint is too crisp where > it was repainted, worked on a club comet few mths before and it is the same > scheme. > > He,he I gotta get my track put back together, took it all apart to redo it and > weather turned bad too cold to work in the garage, got the comet to run the old > grease was froze up, cleaned and oiled it runs fine now, but gotta get my track > back. > > Tks vm James Davidson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71719	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Re: Those Excellent except. . . cars find a new home.

David, Mike is a good guy and you’ve now witnessed that first hand. He’s made and given many CDs to me, at his own cost, and even paid for the postage. He’s not in it for the money. I am proud to call him my friend. It’s a shame that some bullies on this list found someone that they could chastise and pester to death. We are all different and should be accepting of others, no matter how, or what, they write. Some of these bullies actually pestered him via personal email. It’s a shame they have such hollow lives and are so quick to throw stones when they, themselves, probably live in glass houses. They know who they are, and I know who they are, as Mike has shared the emails with me. I have absolutely NO respect for people like that. This list is supposed to be for the enjoyment of all. If someone digresses from the list subject and an individual doesn’t want to read what someone rights, well, that’s why they put the “delete” key on their keyboards. And, once a message is deleted, you can delete it permanently from your “deleted” email file, so it doesn’t clog your computer. There is absolutely NO need to chastise and pester someone to the point that he feels like an outsider. Grouchy jerks like that are a dime a dozen at our age, and if you can’t say something nice, then say nothing at all. Isn’t that what your mothers taught you? Or have you forgotten. I just hope that the “keyboard commandos” (those cowards that would never say to his face what they type in their emails to him) that chased Mike from the S list learn something about how to treat others. All through life, we’ve been taught to treat others as we would like to be treated. Apparently, a few of us have never learned that lesson. You know who you are and you should be ashamed of yourselves. I’ve said my piece and I’ve got it out of my system. Bruce From: djdewey@... Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 9:44 PM To: S-Trains Yahoo Group Subject: [S-Trains] Those Excellent except. . . cars find a new home. A box arrived at my house the other day, all the way from Maryland. Inside was some American Flyer train cars, the same ones that were part of a controversial thread here last week. I guess in some ways I should thank the ‘perps’ because I now have 6 neat cars, three Northern Pacific passenger cars and three freight cars. Granted, non of them are in perfect condition, but the NP cars have wonderful paint jobs, and really are in great condition—except that two of them have an end of one skirt broken off. Well, if you never look at that side, the cars look excellent! Actually, I haven’t found the flow in the observation car yet. The three freight cars have their own problems, but still look great on the track. One IC reefer (my favorite childhood car—I know, simple and bottom line, but it’s the only car I had two of, so I could imagine a string of them, like on the SP out the back window). The an NP reefer in good concision—that came off Bob Tuft’s table at a train meet years ago-so that’s special, IMHO. Then the hopper; it has a melt mark inside, and one step slightly gone, so put a load in it, and the melt mark is gone. There’s some wear on the paint too (weathering??), but it’s a Maryland and I didn’t have one before, so neat-o! So, many thanks Mike for sending them to me, as they have a new home, where they are appreciated! Guys & Gals, we need to be more tolerant here and respectful of others, even if we disagree with them. So, run 'em if ya got 'em. S' David D. PS I'm going to miss Chat Sunday, I'll be on the road chasing a Theatre Organ lead. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71720	From: tbennerohio	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Wobbly wheels

I just disassembled a 322 SIT for general overhaul and repainting. This loco has a LOT of miles on it but is the smoothest quietest runner in the fleet. I knew it had a couple of loose rims. The rims had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins. I wanted to get some expert opinions on whether the rims could or should be re-used. But worse than that, I noticed running the chassis on the bench that the center blind drivers are not straight on the axles. Those rims are tight but either the axle is bent or they were pressed on crooked. Not sure how that is even possible. Can the hubs be repaired or should I plan on ordering new hubs and axle? Many thanks! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71721	From: racin510	Date: 3/10/2013
Subject: Re: Wobbly wheels

Tim, It takes quite a lot of pressure in a wise to bend an axle so this is rarely a problem. Wheels on the other hand love to press on crooked. You can easily straighten them by figuring out the widest point between wheels and slightly tightening that point by putting the assembly into a vice and squeezing. Hubs that require shims to press onto an axle should be replaced. If not too loose they could be mounted with JB Weld. Rick --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > I just disassembled a 322 SIT for general overhaul and repainting. This loco has a LOT of miles on it but is the smoothest quietest runner in the fleet. I knew it had a couple of loose rims. The rims had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins. I wanted to get some expert opinions on whether the rims could or should be re-used. > > But worse than that, I noticed running the chassis on the bench that the center blind drivers are not straight on the axles. Those rims are tight but either the axle is bent or they were pressed on crooked. Not sure how that is even possible. Can the hubs be repaired or should I plan on ordering new hubs and axle? > > Many thanks! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71722	From: ron190sl	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: TCA Auction April

This is the initial announcement of the upcoming auction to be held at the National Toy Train Museum on April 17, 2013: <http://www.auctionzip.com/listings/1710812.html> Ron M

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71723	From: R G	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wobbly wheels

I have encountered pin on rims before.  The best way to restore is to buy new rims and insulators.  If the inner wheel is loose that I would recommend replacing it also.   I agree with you on the smoothness of the 312 SIT locomotive.  The early AF locomotives  from 1946 / 1947 were quieter and smoother running  than later versions in my opinion. ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wobbly wheels   I just disassembled a 322 SIT for general overhaul and repainting. This loco has a LOT of miles on it but is the smoothest quietest runner in the fleet. I knew it had a couple of loose rims. The rims had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins. I wanted to get some expert opinions on whether the rims could or should be re-used. But worse than that, I noticed running the chassis on the bench that the center blind drivers are not straight on the axles. Those rims are tight but either the axle is bent or they were pressed on crooked. Not sure how that is even possible. Can the hubs be repaired or should I plan on ordering new hubs and axle? Many thanks! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71724	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pin

The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins.. This is the method that Gilbert factory used to fix a problem with a lot of early locomotives with loose wheel rims, They sent several repair men around the county with small drill presses. to put the pins in new locomotives that had already been shipped, some time around 1947 Jerry ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/513decb43cd676cb471bdst01duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71725	From: R G	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and

WOW,  I am surprised that Gilbert would do such a poor repair job.  The locomotive that I have encounter with the pins was very poorly done so the rims still wobbled considerably!  I thought that it was a previous owner repair job! ________________________________ From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> To: tim.benner@...; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins..   The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins.. This is the method that Gilbert factory used to fix a problem with a lot of early locomotives with loose wheel rims, They sent several repair men around the county with small drill presses. to put the pins in new locomotives that had already been shipped, some time around 1947 Jerry __________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/513decb43cd676cb471bdst01duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71726	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wobbly wheels

The earlier units were always quieter than the later ones because the motor worm shaft was not running between 2 gears (Flyer Growl) Dave LBR Enterprises --- On Mon, 3/11/13, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wobbly wheels To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, March 11, 2013, 10:30 AM   I have encountered pin on rims before.  The best way to restore is to buy new rims and insulators.  If the inner wheel is loose that I would recommend replacing it also.   I agree with you on the smoothness of the 312 SIT locomotive.  The early AF locomotives  from 1946 / 1947 were quieter and smoother running  than later versions in my opinion. ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wobbly wheels   I just disassembled a 322 SIT for general overhaul and repainting. This loco has a LOT of miles on it but is the smoothest quietest runner in the fleet. I knew it had a couple of loose rims. The rims had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins. I wanted to get some expert opinions on whether the rims could or should be re-used. But worse than that, I noticed running the chassis on the bench that the center blind drivers are not straight on the axles. Those rims are tight but either the axle is bent or they were pressed on crooked. Not sure how that is even possible. Can the hubs be repaired or should I plan on ordering new hubs and axle? Many thanks! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71727	From: R G	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wobbly wheels

Thanks Dave for that information.  I never thought that the extra gear for the SIB unit would contribute to the "Growl" on later locomotives. ________________________________ From: "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wobbly wheels   The earlier units were always quieter than the later ones because the motor worm shaft was not running between 2 gears (Flyer Growl) Dave LBR Enterprises --- On Mon, 3/11/13, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wobbly wheels To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.comS-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, March 11, 2013, 10:30 AM   I have encountered pin on rims before.  The best way to restore is to buy new rims and insulators.  If the inner wheel is loose that I would recommend replacing it also.   I agree with you on the smoothness of the 312 SIT locomotive.  The early AF locomotives  from 1946 / 1947 were quieter and smoother running  than later versions in my opinion. ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wobbly wheels   I just disassembled a 322 SIT for general overhaul and repainting. This loco has a LOT of miles on it but is the smoothest quietest runner in the fleet. I knew it had a couple of loose rims. The rims had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins. I wanted to get some expert opinions on whether the rims could or should be re-used. But worse than that, I noticed running the chassis on the bench that the center blind drivers are not straight on the axles. Those rims are tight but either the axle is bent or they were pressed on crooked. Not sure how that is even possible. Can the hubs be repaired or should I plan on ordering new hubs and axle? Many thanks! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71728	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Wooten Firebox

Since Reading leads my motive power pool, I decided to search the internet for info.  One of the videos I found shows other interesting Reading locomotives with the wide firebox..   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTm9cQJ7hSo         Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71729	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and

It may be that they wobble - not because the work was bad but that the lousy plastic they used in 1946/47 had warped even further. They had similar problems with the plastic bodies they used at the time warping so that some cabooses etc lool like bananas. They were not alone at the time as some British toy train manufacturers had similar problems with warped bodies from the same cause and dollmakers, home movie manufacturers and even house wiring insulation suffered from related problems at the time. Alistair . ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins..   WOW,  I am surprised that Gilbert would do such a poor repair job.  The locomotive that I have encounter with the pins was very poorly done so the rims still wobbled considerably!  I thought that it was a previous owner repair job! ________________________________ From: gerald r dobbs To: tim.benner@... [2]; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins..   The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins.. This is the method that Gilbert factory used to fix a problem with a lot of early locomotives with loose wheel rims, They sent several repair men around the county with small drill presses. to put the pins in new locomotives that had already been shipped, some time around 1947 Jerry __________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/513decb43cd676cb471bdst01duc [4] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:grdobbs%40juno.com [2] mailto:tim.benner%40gmail.com [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [4] http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/513decb43cd676cb471bdst01duc [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYW12bDI1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTcyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjMwMTczMzk-?act=reply&messageNum=71725 [6] mailto:keyhole_corona@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20The%20rims%20that%20had%20been%20re-attached%20some%20time%20ago%20by%20drilling%20and%20pinning%20with%20what%20looks%20to%20be%20wooden%20pins.. [7] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20The%20rims%20that%20had%20been%20re-attached%20some%20time%20ago%20by%20drilling%20and%20pinning%20with%20what%20looks%20to%20be%20wooden%20pins.. [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZTVmOHFxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjMwMTczMzk- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71724;_ylc=X3oDMTM0N2xhNHBjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTcyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjMwMTczMzkEdHBjSWQDNzE3MjQ- [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdGk0bzdnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzYzMDE3MzM5 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNTczMmZrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2MzAxNzMzOQ-- [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNDlibDNkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjMwMTczMzk- [13] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibG1jMWE3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2MzAxNzMzOQ-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroupscom?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [19] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71730	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and

I've got a 310 that received the pinned-rim treatment. My understanding is that it was a short-term fix at the factory until they could obtain a plastic that wouldn't shrink and leave the wheel rim loose. Plastic chemistry was still pretty new stuff in the immediate post-war period. --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > It may be that they wobble - not because the work was bad but that the > lousy plastic they used in 1946/47 had warped even further. They had > similar problems with the plastic bodies they used at the time > warping so that some cabooses etc lool like bananas. They were not > alone at the time as some British toy train manufacturers had similar > problems with warped bodies from the same cause and dollmakers, home > movie manufacturers and even house wiring insulation suffered from > related problems at the time. Alistair . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" > Cc: > Sent:Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:44:13 -0700 (PDT) > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] The rims that had been re-attached some time > ago by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins.. > >   > > WOW,  I am surprised that Gilbert would do such a poor repair > job.  The locomotive that I have encounter with the pins was very > poorly done so the rims still wobbled considerably!  I thought that > it was a previous owner repair job! > > ________________________________ > From: gerald r dobbs > To: tim.benner@... [2]; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:37 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] The rims that had been re-attached some time ago > by drilling and pinning with what looks to be wooden pins.. > >   > > The rims that had been re-attached some time ago by drilling and > pinning with what looks to be wooden pins.. > This is the method that Gilbert factory used to fix a problem > with a lot of early locomotives with loose wheel rims, They sent > several > repair men around the county with small drill presses. to put the > pins in > new locomotives that had already been shipped, some time around 1947 > > Jerry > __________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/513decb43cd676cb471bdst01duc > [4] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:grdobbs%40juno.com > [2] mailto:tim.benner%40gmail.com > [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > [4] > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/513decb43cd676cb471bdst01duc > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYW12bDI1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTcyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjMwMTczMzk-?act=reply&messageNum=71725 > [6] > mailto:keyhole_corona@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20The%20rims%20that%20had%20been%20re-attached%20some%20time%20ago%20by%20drilling%20and%20pinning%20with%20what%20looks%20to%20be%20wooden%20pins.. > [7] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20The%20rims%20that%20had%20been%20re-attached%20some%20time%20ago%20by%20drilling%20and%20pinning%20with%20what%20looks%20to%20be%20wooden%20pins.. > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZTVmOHFxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjMwMTczMzk- > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71724;_ylc=X3oDMTM0N2xhNHBjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTcyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjMwMTczMzkEdHBjSWQDNzE3MjQ- > [10] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdGk0bzdnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzYzMDE3MzM5 > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNTczMmZrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2MzAxNzMzOQ-- > [12] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNDlibDNkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjMwMTczMzk- > [13] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ > [14] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibG1jMWE3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2MzAxNzMzOQ-- > [15] > mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroupscom?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [16] > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > [19] > mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71731	From: Steve Schwartz	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten Firebox

Brady: I know Stumpy isn't crazy about that Wootten Firebox, but once you get used to them, they look pretty cool. Those Herron Videos only scratch the surface, but they do a pretty good job documenting the steam to diesel transition on the Reading. (take note of the SIMONIZED F-units) The great Frank Titman made use of those Flyer Atlantic shells, and kitbashed one of the Reading Pacifics, and also designed and S Scale Loco & Supply produced a kit for an I-10 2-8-0 (can be seen in the video). Also from those videos, you can see that the AF tender is fairly standard for the RDG. You will also find that the Jersey Central, a subsidiary of the Reading, had a number of non-camelback Wootten firebox engines, too. You might also check out the Reading Railroad.org website, BTW. Steve From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brady Burdge Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 1:37 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Wooten Firebox Since Reading leads my motive power pool, I decided to search the internet for info. One of the videos I found shows other interesting Reading locomotives with the wide firebox.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTm9cQJ7hSo Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71732	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten firebox

Yep, I'm not a big fan of the Wooten firebox. I guess it's because of events in my youth in Zanesville, Ohio, quite a way from the Reading or CNJ. Steam was still in mainline service during my childhood. As a youngster, I had two Gilbert Atlantics, both "cheapies," not the best way to impress me. I grew up around the Baltimore and Ohio, Pennsy, and Nickel Plate which burned "soft" coal, so no Wooten fireboxes for "hard" coal. The three roads all had locos with six or more drivers, including the switchers. Therefore Atlantics were unusual to my eyes. Somehow, the opinions of youth stayed with me. Atlantics with Wooten's were "cheap" or "weird" to me. But like first generation diesels, I came to appreciate them as I grew up. (I also like cars with fenders and running boards, and airplanes with propellers and two wheel landing gear. My fleet currently includes three Atlantics, all excellent runners and pullers. Only the latest "Project Atlantic" has had it's firebox changed, so now it looks as good as it runs. :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71733	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 3/11/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten Firebox

The CNJ had Pacifics and Mikados with Wooten fireboxes and they were good looking loco Sent from my iPod On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:23 PM, "Steve Schwartz" <schwartzsj@...> wrote: > Brady: > > I know Stumpy isn't crazy about that Wootten Firebox, but once you get used > to them, they look pretty cool. Those Herron Videos only scratch the > surface, but they do a pretty good job documenting the steam to diesel > transition on the Reading. (take note of the SIMONIZED F-units) The great > Frank Titman made use of those Flyer Atlantic shells, and kitbashed one of > the Reading Pacifics, and also designed and S Scale Loco & Supply produced a > kit for an I-10 2-8-0 (can be seen in the video). Also from those videos, > you can see that the AF tender is fairly standard for the RDG. You will > also find that the Jersey Central, a subsidiary of the Reading, had a number > of non-camelback Wootten firebox engines, too. You might also check out the > Reading Railroad.org website, BTW. > > Steve > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Brady Burdge > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 1:37 PM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Wooten Firebox > > Since Reading leads my motive power pool, I decided to search the internet > for info. One of the videos I found shows other interesting Reading > locomotives with the wide firebox.. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTm9cQJ7hSo > > > > > Brady > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________________ > > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n > wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& > rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by > sender. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71734	From: rep928	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Flyonel Docksider issues

This is a followup to a much earlier post. I have an Lionel/American Flyer Docksider that ran well unto recently. At a train show it was run on a club layout, possibly at 18 v. It now runs, but very slowly. I checked all of the mechanicals and lubricated. I disassembled, and it is clear the problem is in the motor speed. The reverse unit works. I contacted Lionel and they want $60 for a repair. Since I can get a used one for about that price, I will not send it out. I did find on their website an item listed as an AC REGULATOR / 5.4VA for $15. Any chance this might help? Any other possibilities? I suspect the problem is in the can motor. Thanks for any advice - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71735	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten firebox

<< ...I grew up around the Baltimore and Ohio, Pennsy, and Nickel Plate which burned "soft" coal, so no Wooten fireboxes for "hard" coal...>>   Stumpy,   It's probably just as well, modeling Reading might get you into more trouble  :-)     Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71736	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten Firebox

<< ...You might also check out the Reading Railroad.org website, BTW. >> Steve That's a nice site, there are several nice photos of steam locos at http://readingrailroad.org/gallery/rdg_gallery_steam.shtml     Brady  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71737	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Wooten Firebox

Brady...It would be hard for me to get into more trouble with some people on here than I am already! :-) Stumpy Vader...intergalactic kit basher and scofflaw

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71738	From: Rich	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Wootten Firebox explained?

ah, the power of the internet machine (google specifically) - of course, caveat lector - as I have no idea whether this is completely right, but it sounds plausible. This is an exchange from about 10 years ago on the trainorders.org site (in answer to an original question about Belpaire fireboxes). several paragraphs of good reading -- Rich: Belpaire fireboxes are more expensive to build and maintain than say a jacobs, wagon top or other common types. However, it exposed more heating area where the greatest amount of available calories were available than these others . With an arch it got more value than comparable alternatives. It was not designed to burn Anthracite. Since it would increase retention of fuel in the firebox longer, all things being equal than alternatives, the Gt. Northern's usage was to allow them to use low grade coal(e.g. Rosebud) and still get the same power out of a locomotive as if it had a more common firebox and decent steam coal. There wide spread use on express passenger locomotives in the U.K.(as well as others) was to get plenty of steam for high speed operation within the constraints of the smaller loading gage found there. Lots of other carriers in North America had one or several locos equipped with Belpaires , but they didn't feel the cost justified the return. Wootten designs are better thought of as a boiler system than a firebox. This is because it requires a shorter tube section than a standard boiler, a butterfly exhaust valve in the pettycoat area to control draft, and a combustion chamber to both retain the heat of combustion longer where it is exposed to the greater heating area; and reduce the draft across the grates so that the tiny anthracite fines or crushed culm it was designed to burn is not sucked off the grate and up the stack. John Wootten also incorporated water grates (first use in NA) into his original design to get as much heat as possible out of the fuel at hand. He designed the system because the parent company of the railroad, namely the Philadelphia and Reading Coal and Iron Company (and other anthracite extractors as well) had lots of anthracite fines left over from the mostly manual process of breaking and washing coal. This coal dust was pretty much unsellable, and was a problem for the pit operators. So Wootten stepped in to make use of this stuff. Later when the process became mechanized, small pieces of anthracite mixed with slate became available and is referred to as anthracite culm. The Wootten equipped locos (camelbacks until around 1920) used first one and then the other of these. However, by the Great War mixtures of anthracite and bituminous coal were being used. The last of these built; the redoubtable Reading T-1s and G-5s did not burn anthracite. Wootten designs were , like the Belpaire firebox equipped locos, very efficient at burning the best of steam coals as well as trash coals. Anthracite is pure carbon, unlike good bituminous steam coals which contains lots of non-carboniferous volatiles (principally sulphur based -which makes for lots of atmospheric pollution in a standard steam locomotive) that produce rapid conversion to usable heat not found in burning anthracite in locomotives. While an aside to your question - It is arguable that the greatest waste of time and talent in the history of the railroad industry; from Vladivostok to LeHavre, and Big Ed to Tierra Del Fuego; was the amount of effort devoted to burning trash fuels instead of the best available. There are no studies anywhere showing that crap fuels were more efficient from an economic point of view.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71739	From: Robert E. Wilson	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Two Train Operation

Two Train Connections: For a growing layout I am working on using the second winding on a two-track transformer. My question is where to change from one winding to the other by inserting fiber connecting track pins. One section is the traditional oval on plywood. The second section will be a siding to a rail yard. Where should I install the fiber pins - just beyond the turnout at the edge of the AF switch to the yard, or a few inches beyond the switch? What are the operational plusses and minuses? Bob in Arvada [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71740	From: tbennerohio	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Fine looking K-5

Neil - bowlsalot2, That is one fine looking K-5. Thanks for posting the pics. Can you tell us more about the project? If you don't mind me asking, what kind of paint did you use? What kind of airbrush? Where did you source the decals? I saw a set at Des Plaines for PRR steam and wondering if that is it. Looking for a similar set for a Hudson with the post 1940 gothic font but no luck yet. Nice work! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71741	From: rep928	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Flyonel Docksider issues

Following a suggestion from Mark Anderman (thanks!) I connected the input wires to the motor (which is DC) directly to a DC transformer. It ran as fast as it should. So this isolates the problem somewhere in the electronics. Anyone have an idea what a "AC regulator" is and if it could be responsible? I may order it just to see. - Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, plotnick@... wrote: > > This is a followup to a much earlier post. I have an Lionel/American Flyer Docksider that ran well unto recently. > > At a train show it was run on a club layout, possibly at 18 v. It now runs, but very slowly. I checked all of the mechanicals and lubricated. I disassembled, and it is clear the problem is in the motor speed. The reverse unit works. > > I contacted Lionel and they want $60 for a repair. Since I can get a used one for about that price, I will not send it out. > > I did find on their website an item listed as an AC REGULATOR / 5.4VA for $15. Any chance this might help? Any other possibilities? I suspect the problem is in the can motor. > > Thanks for any advice - Roy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71742	From: R G	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Flyonel Docksider issues

Since the motor is DC just pick of a Dallee reversing unit so you can run it on AC again.  That would be cheaper than buying another Docksider or sending it back to Lionel ________________________________ From: "plotnick@..." <plotnick@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyonel Docksider issues   Following a suggestion from Mark Anderman (thanks!) I connected the input wires to the motor (which is DC) directly to a DC transformer. It ran as fast as it should. So this isolates the problem somewhere in the electronics. Anyone have an idea what a "AC regulator" is and if it could be responsible? I may order it just to see. - Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, plotnick@... wrote: > > This is a followup to a much earlier post. I have an Lionel/American Flyer Docksider that ran well unto recently. > > At a train show it was run on a club layout, possibly at 18 v. It now runs, but very slowly. I checked all of the mechanicals and lubricated. I disassembled, and it is clear the problem is in the motor speed. The reverse unit works. > > I contacted Lionel and they want $60 for a repair. Since I can get a used one for about that price, I will not send it out. > > I did find on their website an item listed as an AC REGULATOR / 5.4VA for $15. Any chance this might help? Any other possibilities? I suspect the problem is in the can motor. > > Thanks for any advice - Roy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71743	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Good source for AF HO engine parts?

I know this breaks from the S gauge focus of this forum, but my bet is nearly all of us have soft spot for getting any classsic AF engine regardless of gauge back up and running well again. I have an AF 31005 HO Hudson ready again for prime time except it needs new pulmor bands for its rear drivers (grooved). Does any have a good AF HO parts supplier they can recommend for me to buy those from? Thanks. PS I have applied to join the AFHOTrains Yahoo group. Will be a good thing as I repair AF HO as well as S AF, own a few, and enjoy running them as well.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71744	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?

First place is Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbies In a message dated 3/12/2013 9:02:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsme_horn@... writes: I know this breaks from the S gauge focus of this forum, but my bet is nearly all of us have soft spot for getting any classsic AF engine regardless of gauge back up and running well again. I have an AF 31005 HO Hudson ready again for prime time except it needs new pulmor bands for its rear drivers (grooved). Does any have a good AF HO parts supplier they can recommend for me to buy those from? Thanks. PS I have applied to join the AFHOTrains Yahoo group. Will be a good thing as I repair AF HO as well as S AF, own a few, and enjoy running them as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71745	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/12/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?

David, I am cross posting this message to the Gilberthotrains group, which I moderate. Hopefully some of the members there will have something to add. Your membership has been approved, so welcome. You might want to check some of the archives of that group for discussions of parts availability. Both Tom Seccia and Doug Peck carry many HO parts items. Bob Giardina has some items also. I might also mention Bruce Gripke, aGilbert HO enthusiast in Southern California, who carries a lot of HO partstoo. He can be reached by phone at 661 822-6656. Unfortunately, there are some things that are very hard or next to impossible to obtain, such as Alco handrails and coupler springs. Good Luck Dale Smith On 3/12/2013 8:19 PM, sgaugian wrote: > > I know this breaks from the S gauge focus of this forum, but my bet is > nearly all of us have soft spot for getting any classsic AF engine > regardless of gauge back up and running well again. I have an AF 31005 > HO Hudson ready again for prime time except it needs new pulmor bands > for its rear drivers (grooved). Does any have a good AF HO parts > supplier they can recommend for me to buy those from? Thanks. > > PS I have applied to join the AFHOTrains Yahoo group. Will be a good > thing as I repair AF HO as well as S AF, own a few, and enjoy running > them as well. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71746	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Fine looking K-5

Thanks Tim.  This loco started out as a 313 with a large motor and bad original paint so I decided to find an old K4-K5 and try to copy it.  I selected the PRR 1361 K4.  I made no mods except for the paint and lettering.  The green paint is from Port Line Hobby Supply (AF coach dark green) the silver/grey smoke box is a custom mix of aluminum and flat black.  The decals were custom made buy LBR enterprises.  Thanks to Dave at LBR and Doug at Port Line.  BTW it runs and pulls like a champ too.  You can watch the video at 1361 American Flyer custom K5 Neil in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71747	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?

Thanks Rudy. I emailed Doug this morning. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > First place is Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbies > > > In a message dated 3/12/2013 9:02:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dsme_horn@... writes: > > > > > I know this breaks from the S gauge focus of this forum, but my bet is > nearly all of us have soft spot for getting any classsic AF engine regardless > of gauge back up and running well again. I have an AF 31005 HO Hudson ready > again for prime time except it needs new pulmor bands for its rear drivers > (grooved). Does any have a good AF HO parts supplier they can recommend for > me to buy those from? Thanks. > > PS I have applied to join the AFHOTrains Yahoo group. Will be a good thing > as I repair AF HO as well as S AF, own a few, and enjoy running them as > well. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71748	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Fine looking K-5

Yes, let me add my congratulations to Neil for a very good looking K5. Those decals are excellent too (way to go LBR!). It is very satisfying when you can take something that no longer looks good, and make it look that good! Keep up the good work. Al Baker (also in Oregon...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71749	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Two Train Operation

I would install it one, two, or three sections of track in from the turnout, depending on the length of the engine that will be pulling a train out of the yard. The reason for this is that when the train is pulling out of the yard, you want it to stop if the turnout is flipped the wrong direction. A Docksider or Baldwin will stop on one section of isolated track; a Pacific, Atlantic, or Hudson will stop on two; but a Northern, Challenger, or Big Boy will require three. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:27 PM, "Robert E. Wilson" <rewilson_pe@...> wrote: > > > Two Train Connections: For a growing layout I am working on using the second > winding on a two-track transformer. My question is where to change from one > winding to the other by inserting fiber connecting track pins. One section > is the traditional oval on plywood. The second section will be a siding to > a rail yard. Where should I install the fiber pins - just beyond the > turnout at the edge of the AF switch to the yard, or a few inches beyond the > switch? What are the operational plusses and minuses? > > Bob in Arvada > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71750	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?

Hi Dale, � I have the P-13A714 Coupler Springs in stock if you need any. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Gilberthotrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Good source for AF HO engine parts?   David, I am cross posting this message to the Gilberthotrains group, which I moderate. Hopefully some of the members there will have something to add. Your membership has been approved, so welcome. You might want to check some of the archives of that group for discussions of parts availability. Both Tom Seccia and Doug Peck carry many HO parts items. Bob Giardina has some items also. I might also mention Bruce Gripke, aGilbert HO enthusiast in Southern California, who carries a lot of HO partstoo. He can be reached by phone at 661 822-6656. Unfortunately, there are some things that are very hard or next to impossible to obtain, such as Alco handrails and coupler springs. Good Luck Dale Smith On 3/12/2013 8:19 PM, sgaugian wrote: > > I know this breaks from the S gauge focus of this forum, but my bet is > nearly all of us have soft spot for getting any classsic AF engine > regardless of gauge back up and running well again. I have an AF 31005 > HO Hudson ready again for prime time except it needs new pulmor bands > for its rear drivers (grooved). Does any have a good AF HO parts > supplier they can recommend for me to buy those from? Thanks. > > PS I have applied to join the AFHOTrains Yahoo group. Will be a good > thing as I repair AF HO as well as S AF, own a few, and enjoy running > them as well. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71751	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?

I have a few P-14A758 Originals in stock. Please email me seccia@.... If you are Dave, I'll send you an answer with the price. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Good source for AF HO engine parts?   I know this breaks from the S gauge focus of this forum, but my bet is nearly all of us have soft spot for getting any classsic AF engine regardless of gauge back up and running well again. I have an AF 31005 HO Hudson ready again for prime time except it needs new pulmor bands for its rear drivers (grooved). Does any have a good AF HO parts supplier they can recommend for me to buy those from? Thanks. PS I have applied to join the AFHOTrains Yahoo group. Will be a good thing as I repair AF HO as well as S AF, own a few, and enjoy running them as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71752	From: Brady	Date: 3/13/2013
Subject: Re: Which road most influenced Flyer?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" <richs009@...> wrote: > > Brady and all -- you may recall that you asked a variant of this question in July 2011, to wit: "which prototype road was most > represented by postwar Flyer?" Several of us responded then with attempts at enumerating the various road names - I've copied Bill Drake's list at the end of this reply. Rich, Thank for for the reminder and the re-post of Bill Drake's list, I completely forgot about asking it previously. Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71753	From: Jerry	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: Fine looking K-5

Great job, Neil. The K5 is a nice looking locomotive, and it hurts me to see them in bad shape. I'm glad another one has been resurrected. I did mine a few years ago, and the motor was shot, so a can motor, Dalee reverse unit and paint made it come alive again. I used Microscale decals back when they were still making S decals, and Floquil paints. Photos are in a folder marked Jerry';s Trains. (I mistyped the title... go figure!). When I showed it to my train club, one fellow, who wasn't familiar with Flyer, thought it was as "scale" model. But then, perhaps he was right.... Gilbert took pains to make sure Flyer was prototypical. Keep on painting them like that! Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: > > Thanks Tim. This loco started out as a 313 with a large motor and bad original paint so I decided to find an old K4-K5 and try to copy it. I selected the PRR 1361 K4. I made no mods except for the paint and lettering. The green paint is from Port Line Hobby Supply (AF coach dark green) the silver/grey smoke box is a custom mix of aluminum and flat black. The decals were custom made buy LBR enterprises. Thanks to Dave at LBR and Doug at Port Line. > BTW it runs and pulls like a champ too. You can watch the video at 1361 American Flyer custom K5 > Neil in Oregon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71754	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: Good source for AF HO engine parts?

Thanks. If this was an engine that needed to be kept all original I would go that route, but this is only a Good to Good+ condition operator. Apparently Marklin (7151 or 7152) and Stewart (512) replacement HO tires work and are available for about 10 for $5, so for this particular repair I will try those. However, for more discriminating projects and customers I will keep your all original units in mind. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > I have a few P-14A758 Originals in stock. Please email me seccia@... If you are Dave, I'll send you an answer with the price. > Tom Seccia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71755	From: rep928	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: Flyonel Docksider issues

Great idea. I will see what I can find at a train show - not a hurry. Thanks - Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: > > Since the motor is DC just pick of a Dallee reversing unit so you can run it on AC again.  That would be cheaper than buying another Docksider or sending it back to Lionel > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "plotnick@..." <plotnick@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:01 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyonel Docksider issues > > >   > Following a suggestion from Mark Anderman (thanks!) I connected the input wires to the motor (which is DC) directly to a DC transformer. It ran as fast as it should. So this isolates the problem somewhere in the electronics. Anyone have an idea what a "AC regulator" is and if it could be responsible? I may order it just to see. - Roy > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, plotnick@ wrote: > > > > This is a followup to a much earlier post. I have an Lionel/American Flyer Docksider that ran well unto recently. > > > > At a train show it was run on a club layout, possibly at 18 v. It now runs, but very slowly. I checked all of the mechanicals and lubricated. I disassembled, and it is clear the problem is in the motor speed. The reverse unit works. > > > > I contacted Lionel and they want $60 for a repair. Since I can get a used one for about that price, I will not send it out. > > > > I did find on their website an item listed as an AC REGULATOR / 5.4VA for $15. Any chance this might help? Any other possibilities? I suspect the problem is in the can motor. > > > > Thanks for any advice - Roy > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71756	From: rkaneone	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: I'm new here

I had American Flyer trains when I was in my teens in the sixties. There was a guy who built kits who helped me out until I went away to college. After that I forgot about S gauge and did some HO over the years. While on a business trip, I had time to kill, so I went to a train show and discovered that S gauge is alive and well. One of the people there told me that I should join this Yahoo group to learn what is happening today. I just moved to a new area and still getting settled. I'll probably be lurking and learning for a while, and sometimes ask questions. Richard Kane St Clairsville, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71757	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new here

Richard, Glad you rediscovered S.   There are a lot of great folks on this list, you'll learn a lot.  I got back into S after 25 years in O and I'm enjoying trains more now than ever.  The latest buzz is the scale offerings from Lionel, and the anticipated entry of MTH after they bought the much respected S Helper Service.    Brady Sent from Yahoo! Mail on the Kindle Fire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71758	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new here

Welcome from Cleveland, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rkaneone" <rkaneone@...> wrote: > > I had American Flyer trains when I was in my teens in the sixties. There was a guy who built kits who helped me out until I went away to college. After that I forgot about S gauge and did some HO over the years. > > While on a business trip, I had time to kill, so I went to a train show and discovered that S gauge is alive and well. One of the people there told me that I should join this Yahoo group to learn what is happening today. > > I just moved to a new area and still getting settled. I'll probably be lurking and learning for a while, and sometimes ask questions. > Richard Kane > St Clairsville, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71759	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new here

Welcome aboard! You've come to the right place. This is by far the most active S gauge Yahoo group. There is a good cross section of collectors, Hi-rail enthusiasts, and scale modelers here. Ask any question, whether it has to do with old Flyer or the modern stuff, and someone will have the answer. Stumpy Stone in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71760	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: Fine looking K-5

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: > > Thanks Tim.  This loco started out as a 313 with a large motor and bad original paint so I decided to find an old K4-K5 and try to copy it.  I selected the PRR 1361 K4.  I made no mods except for the paint and lettering.  The green paint is from Port Line Hobby Supply (AF coach dark green) the silver/grey smoke box is a custom mix of aluminum and flat black.  The decals were custom made buy LBR enterprises.  Thanks to Dave at LBR and Doug at Port Line.  > BTW it runs and pulls like a champ too.  You can watch the video at 1361 American Flyer custom K5 > Neil in Oregon > > > You did a teriffic job on this,and I enjoyed the video; thanks for posting it. Mark in (Waldport) Oregon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71761	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new here

Richard, Welcome to the group.  There are also groups on facebook if you are interested. Plenty of great people and info in both groups. Neil in Oregon --- On Thu, 3/14/13, rkaneone <rkaneone@...> wrote: From: rkaneone <rkaneone@...> Subject: [S-Trains] I'm new here To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 7:33 PM   I had American Flyer trains when I was in my teens in the sixties. There was a guy who built kits who helped me out until I went away to college. After that I forgot about S gauge and did some HO over the years. While on a business trip, I had time to kill, so I went to a train show and discovered that S gauge is alive and well. One of the people there told me that I should join this Yahoo group to learn what is happening today. I just moved to a new area and still getting settled. I'll probably be lurking and learning for a while, and sometimes ask questions. Richard Kane St Clairsville, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71762	From: racin510	Date: 3/14/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new here

Richard, You are so welcome here; and Ebay has 6.500 ACG items for you to choose from when you can't find a show to attend! It was The Great American Train Show in Puyallup, WA and a Flyer dealer there from Concord, CA that really got me re-fired again 15 years ago. I will be offering a really nice fine tuned original Seaboard Coal Loader in the near future..... ACG's accessories were as good and interesting as their trains. Enjoy, Rick --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rkaneone" <rkaneone@...> wrote: > > I had American Flyer trains when I was in my teens in the sixties. There was a guy who built kits who helped me out until I went away to college. After that I forgot about S gauge and did some HO over the years. > > While on a business trip, I had time to kill, so I went to a train show and discovered that S gauge is alive and well. One of the people there told me that I should join this Yahoo group to learn what is happening today. > > I just moved to a new area and still getting settled. I'll probably be lurking and learning for a while, and sometimes ask questions. > Richard Kane > St Clairsville, OH. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71763	From: Rich	Date: 3/15/2013
Subject: Flyer in Ohio

I'm going to be in the Dayton - Cincinnati area in April and wonder if there are any train stores/dealers with Flyer in that area that would be worth visiting. thanks, Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71764	From: Paul	Date: 3/15/2013
Subject: TMCC and S Helper tirnouts

has anyone played with S Helper remote turnouts and a TMCC SC2? can I assume that wiring would be just like Flyer turnouts and wire up as described on Carl's helpful webpage? thanks in advance, paul in ohio -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71765	From: rm_hirailer	Date: 3/15/2013
Subject: Happy Saint Gilbert's Day

Fellow S Faithful, Tomorrow is a special day in S-dom, and I thought you might enjoy reading a piece I wrote for the March 2013 issue of the S Say, the newsletter of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers. You can see the entire newsletter on our website: www.rockymountainhirailers.com YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise * * * HAPPY SAINT GILBERT'S DAY Every year on March 16 (3/16) we celebrate St. Gilbert's Day, also known as National S-Gauge Day. It is a time for reflecting on the life and good works of A.C. Gilbert, the Patron Saint of S Gaugers, who brought us Gilbert Tru-Model American Flyer Trains, "Challengers of the Miniature Rails." There are still some who are not familiar with the Legend of St. Gilbert. For their edification, here is an excerpt from the Chronicle as inscribed in the Book of Veracity (Amazon, $12.95 + shipping, paperback): "It was in 1946 that former Idahoan Alfred Carlton Gilbert, already famous as `The Man Who Saved Christmas,' drove the Third Rail out of realistic model railroading. Believers eagerly flocked to his side to become disciples, freed at last from the tyranny of Big L and its inaccurate track. Fathers cheered, mothers wept with joy, and parents everywhere realized that they no longer had to lie to their children. Kids, who always knew better anyway, set about creating their own worlds with the confidence of truth." We who have followed are grateful for the vision, the persistence, and the courage displayed by St. Gilbert as he declared to the world, "This Shall Not Remain," and struck the Third Rail with his staff. Thank you for showing us the way, St. Gilbert. In his name, dear friends, Happy Rails to you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71766	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 3/15/2013
Subject: Re: Happy Saint Gilbert's Day

Great stuff!!!! For a few years at TrainFest in Milwaukee there was a guy wandering around in a Bishop's get-up followed by a Monk who was Saint Baldwin. His Crook had a crossing flasher and crossbucks on it. As I recall he would give dispensation for oversize flanges, etc.. if you would confess your sins. I would assume that Lionel (or should I have not spoken the name?) is another term for The Dark One of the Cloven Rail. Charlie Vlk From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rm_hirailer Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 3:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Happy Saint Gilbert's Day Fellow S Faithful, Tomorrow is a special day in S-dom, and I thought you might enjoy reading a piece I wrote for the March 2013 issue of the S Say, the newsletter of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers. You can see the entire newsletter on our website: www.rockymountainhirailers.com YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise * * * HAPPY SAINT GILBERT'S DAY Every year on March 16 (3/16) we celebrate St. Gilbert's Day, also known as National S-Gauge Day. It is a time for reflecting on the life and good works of A.C. Gilbert, the Patron Saint of S Gaugers, who brought us Gilbert Tru-Model American Flyer Trains, "Challengers of the Miniature Rails." There are still some who are not familiar with the Legend of St. Gilbert. For their edification, here is an excerpt from the Chronicle as inscribed in the Book of Veracity (Amazon, $12.95 + shipping, paperback): "It was in 1946 that former Idahoan Alfred Carlton Gilbert, already famous as `The Man Who Saved Christmas,' drove the Third Rail out of realistic model railroading. Believers eagerly flocked to his side to become disciples, freed at last from the tyranny of Big L and its inaccurate track. Fathers cheered, mothers wept with joy, and parents everywhere realized that they no longer had to lie to their children. Kids, who always knew better anyway, set about creating their own worlds with the confidence of truth." We who have followed are grateful for the vision, the persistence, and the courage displayed by St. Gilbert as he declared to the world, "This Shall Not Remain," and struck the Third Rail with his staff. Thank you for showing us the way, St. Gilbert. In his name, dear friends, Happy Rails to you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71767	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/15/2013
Subject: Farm Pond Photos Posted

Hi All, Tracie and I have completed the farm pond with the exception of placing a couple of fishermen in the scene. You can see the latest photos starting here: http://tinyurl.com/bg1pond Have fun and check out all the other photos posted in the photos section! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71768	From: Paul	Date: 3/16/2013
Subject: Re: my question on using a TMCC SC on S Helper turnouts

hello again all, guess I should clarify my question from yesterday. better put is "are the wire color codes of Flyer turnouts and S Helper remote turnouts the same?" I suppose I can figure it out when the turnouts get here, through and out are all that I really need to worry about, a momentary power pulse when the circuit gets completed to the base post will change the rails and frogs just as it does Flyer stuff per Ed, Eric, and Carl's pointers found on Carl's website. thanks, paul in ohio has anyone played with S Helper remote turnouts and a TMCC SC2? can I assume that wiring would be just like Flyer turnouts and wire up as described on Carl's helpful webpage? thanks in advance, paul in ohio -- --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71769	From: Timboy	Date: 3/16/2013
Subject: Re: Farm Pond Photos Posted

David, That's very nice. Great pics! Thanks! Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Tracie and I have completed the farm pond with the exception of placing a couple of fishermen in the scene. You can see the latest photos starting here: > > http://tinyurl.com/bg1pond > > Have fun and check out all the other photos posted in the photos section! > > David >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71770	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/16/2013
Subject: 3/16th Day

Run your trains today. It's 3/16 day a good day for S Gauge... Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71771	From: David	Date: 3/16/2013
Subject: PIKE MASTER TRUCKS ELEC. PICK UP BLOCK (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71772	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/16/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/17/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 17, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71773	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/17/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/17/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 17, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71774	From: traindavid	Date: 3/17/2013
Subject: Passing of Judy Sheffield

Sad news to report, Howard Sheffield (Howard's Trains) has lost his life partner, best friend, wife, train show companion, and most everything else; Judy Sheffield, who passed away from Cancer. Judy was a fairly private person, so becoming a train show participant was a major change for her, but in keeping with her privacy, they both faced the big C with a very brave front. Judy always had a warm smile, and great conversation. Linda & I have had some great times with them and we will miss her greatly, but I know not as much as Howard will. So send some prayers and warm thoughts his way. S'incerely, Linda & David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71775	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/17/2013
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Passing of Judy Sheffield

I never had the opportunity to meet Judy or Howard but have dealt with Howard via phone and email. My heart goes out to him as well as my prayers. Best wishes, Howard, Carey Carey Probst Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/17/2013 1:17 PM, djdewey@... wrote: > > Sad news to report, Howard Sheffield (Howard's Trains) has lost his life > partner, best friend, wife, train show companion, and most everything > else; > Judy Sheffield, who passed away from Cancer. Judy was a fairly private > person, so becoming a train show participant was a major change for > her, but > in keeping with her privacy, they both faced the big C with a very brave > front. Judy always had a warm smile, and great conversation. Linda & I > have > had some great times with them and we will miss her greatly, but I > know not > as much as Howard will. So send some prayers and warm thoughts his way. > S'incerely, > Linda & David Dewey > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71776	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/17/2013
Subject: Re: Passing of Judy Sheffield

My deepest condolences and prayers for strength go out to Howard and his family. Cancer is such an insidious disease. Take care, Howard. Kind regards, Bruce From: djdewey@... Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:17 AM To: S-Scale Yahoo Group ; S-Trains Yahoo Group Subject: [S-Trains] Passing of Judy Sheffield Sad news to report, Howard Sheffield (Howard's Trains) has lost his life partner, best friend, wife, train show companion, and most everything else; Judy Sheffield, who passed away from Cancer. Judy was a fairly private person, so becoming a train show participant was a major change for her, but in keeping with her privacy, they both faced the big C with a very brave front. Judy always had a warm smile, and great conversation. Linda & I have had some great times with them and we will miss her greatly, but I know not as much as Howard will. So send some prayers and warm thoughts his way. S'incerely, Linda & David Dewey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71777	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/18/2013
Subject: Re: Passing of Judy Sheffield

Howard,   Although we have never met (I beleieve, unless it was at York), my thoughts and prayers are with you. As an incurable cancer patient myself, I know the agonies of this disease and hope that Judy is at peace and that you have tons of memories of her to keep her in your heart.   Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ########### [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71778	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/18/2013
Subject: For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer

19B 300 Watt Transformer. I put in new bulbs and bulb caps. Under no load, voltmeter is inaccurate, but output is correct. Cord was replaced by previous owner. Some rust on handle and on-off toggle switch; most of the white paint is rubbed off the speed lettering; otherwise beautiful C-7 condition. 2012 TM Guide lists it at $125 in C-7 condition. Make offer. It won't fit in a Priority Mail large flat rate box. Since it weighs over 9 pounds, insured Priority Mailshipping costs about $35.   Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71779	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 3/18/2013
Subject: shs track

anyone looking for shs track, there are 66 pieces listed on ebay #290881477123, not affiliated with, nor do i even know the individual mel perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71780	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 3/18/2013
Subject: engine front coupler bracket

all: i know that some one out there made a front coupler bracket for an af pacific, in order that he could double head them, the bracket went under the front catcher, and then back up, question i have is, has anyone cut a slot in the top of the catcher, just below the pilot deck,?, in other words instead of having a down and under bend, the extended coupler mounting would be straight piece of metal? thanks mel perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71781	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine Front Coupler Bracket

Mel, I'm sure you will get replies on this. First, the bracket that you refer to is availible from Portlines Hobby Supply. It is made to be used by people who want their locomotive to remain original. LBR Enterprizes make an front pilot with coupler where you cut the original "cowcatcher" off the pilot deck and replace it with their unit. And last but not least, I've done two where I used a Dremel with the cutting wheel to make a slot in the pilot even with the underside of the pilot deck. In this way you can use the screw which holds the headlight in place as your mounting/pivot point. On the first one, I used a brass strip for a coupler shank, bending it just beyond the "cowcatcher" down to allow the coupler to ride at the correct level. On the second one, I used a popsicle stick and glued a piece of 1/8x1/4" strip wood to space the coupler down to correct level. Both times I used an S Helper coupler epoxied to the home made coupler shank and it has worked well. Any coupler can be adapted for this use however. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71782	From: pinetreerr	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: SHS Items available

All Yesterday I had a little bit of time and stopped in at New Brookland Railroad & Hobby Shop located in the Columbia, SC metro area. This is mostly a dedicated railroad hobby shop that has been in the Columbia area for 30+ years. Since I don't live in the Columbia area any more (just visiting my parents), I don't get to visit very often any more. Anyway in the room with larger scales, I found some S Helper Service items buried on the shelves below a large amount of American Flyer items. Just in case anyone is looking for one of these items, I thought I'd pass this along (I have no financial interest in the shop) SHS items ------------------ 2 SHS Left Hand #3 turnouts 2 SHS Right Hand #3 turnouts 1 SHS 2-8-0 AC/DC AF Compatible They also had 3 or 4 SHS cars (1 less when I left) -- I recall 2 hoppers, but did not write them down. They also have some S-TRAX (30 degree sections as I recall) and some of the connectors used on SHS S-TRAX to connect wiring. Feel free to give them a call or stop by if interested. Pricing in the shop is reasonable -- less than MSRP. Regards Michael PS The contact info for the hobby shop is: New Brookland Railroad & Hobby 405 State St. West Columbia, SC 803-791-3958

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71783	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine Front Coupler Bracket

STUMPY; THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT THANKS AGAIN mel perry On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:02 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > Mel, I'm sure you will get replies on this. First, the bracket that > you refer to is availible from Portlines Hobby Supply. It is made > to be used by people who want their locomotive to remain original. > > LBR Enterprizes make an front pilot with coupler where you cut the > original "cowcatcher" off the pilot deck and replace it with their > unit. > > And last but not least, I've done two where I used a Dremel with > the cutting wheel to make a slot in the pilot even with the > underside of the pilot deck. In this way you can use the screw > which holds the headlight in place as your mounting/pivot point. > > On the first one, I used a brass strip for a coupler shank, bending > it just beyond the "cowcatcher" down to allow the coupler to ride > at the correct level. On the second one, I used a popsicle stick > and glued a piece of 1/8x1/4" strip wood to space the coupler down > to correct level. > > Both times I used an S Helper coupler epoxied to the home made > coupler shank and it has worked well. Any coupler can be adapted > for this use however. > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71784	From: sgauge48	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Replacement Whistle Relay For The K-5 314?

Hello, I have two AF K-5 314 steam locomotives that are missing the whistle relay in the tender. Does anybody out there have any idea what I could use for a replacement of the original relays. You would think that one of the electronic suppy stores would have a relay of some kind that would work. I sure would like to hear the sound of their whistles while going down the track. Any help would be appreciated, thank you! Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71785	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer

have you ever used ebay? ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>, s-trains list <s-trains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:29:07 -0700 (PDT) <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> 19B 300 Watt Transformer. I put in new bulbs and bulb caps. Under no load, voltmeter is inaccurate, but output is correct. Cord was replaced by previous owner. Some rust on handle and on-off toggle switch; most of the white paint is rubbed off the speed lettering; otherwise beautiful C-7 condition. 2012 TM Guide lists it at $125 in C-7 condition. Make offer. It won't fit in a Priority Mail large flat rate box. Since it weighs over 9 pounds, insured Priority Mailshipping costs about $35. � Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5148f781c98b9778106c5st02vuc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71786	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day

never knew 3/16 had a day. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "afjeff_56" <afjeff_56@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:21:10 -0000 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> Run your trains today. It's 3/16 day a good day for S Gauge... Jeff S...... ____________________________________________________________ Refinance your home now Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5148f8b1c168278b1308dst02vuc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71787	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Fwd: [Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California] San Diego S Gauge Open

just passing the god stuff on, for those interested mel perry Begin forwarded message: > From: "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...> > Date: March 19, 2013 2:32:34 PM PDT > To: Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California] San Diego S Gauge > Open House - May 11 > Reply-To: Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California@yahoogroups.com > > Amtrak has selected San Diego S Gauge again to host an off-site > event in conjunction with them on National Train Day. http:// > nationaltrainday.com/s/# (click on San Diego) This year it falls on > May 11, 2013 and we will be holding a free, open house on that > Saturday from 11AM until 4PM at our clubhouse at Liberty Station. > There will be two operational layouts and plenty of interactive > buttons for kids of all ages to push. We will be awarding Junior > Engineer Stickers to all kids who participate in our activities. > Our clubhouse is located at 2445 Truxtun Ave, suite 106 in the rear > of the building housing Panera Bread and Five Guy's Hamburgers. > Directions can be found on our website. https://sites.google.com/ > site/sdsgaugers/Home > > Alex Sibbald > > SDSG > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71788	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day

I did - I ran two prewar Flyer 3/16th O gauge Atlantics and a Pacific from the same era (You forgot about them didn't you!) But I also ran my 1947 SIT Hudson on Flyer S track. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:44:52 GMT Subject:Re: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day   never knew 3/16 had a day. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "afjeff_56" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:21:10 -0000 http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> Run your trains today. It's 3/16 day a good day for S Gauge... Jeff S...... __________________________________________________________ Refinance your home now Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5148f8b1c168278b1308dst02vuc [3] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:afjeff_56%40yahoo.com [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5148f8b1c168278b1308dst02vuc [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbmFwMWtsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTc4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4Njc-?act=reply&messageNum=71786 [5] mailto:n9guy@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%203%2F16th%20Day [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%203%2F16th%20Day [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMnIwbTBnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4Njc- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71770;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bGZyNjFhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTc4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4NjcEdHBjSWQDNzE3NzA- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaGg4cDUyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYzNzQyODY3?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkN2Y4OXU5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzYzNzQyODY3 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY2VsY2VmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4Njc- [12] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [13] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidTI5cWpuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2Mzc0Mjg2Nw-- [14] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [15] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [18] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71789	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/19/2013
Subject: Re: For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer

A friend of mine currently has over 200 listings on Ebay---their costs now approach 20% per sale. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/19/2013 9:27:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n9guy@... writes: have you ever used ebay? ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>, s-trains list <s-trains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:29:07 -0700 (PDT) <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> 19B 300 Watt Transformer. I put in new bulbs and bulb caps. Under no load, voltmeter is inaccurate, but output is correct. Cord was replaced by previous owner. Some rust on handle and on-off toggle switch; most of the white paint is rubbed off the speed lettering; otherwise beautiful C-7 condition. 2012 TM Guide lists it at $125 in C-7 condition. Make offer. It won't fit in a Priority Mail large flat rate box. Since it weighs over 9 pounds, insured Priority Mailshipping costs about $35. � Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5148f781c98b9778106c5st02vuc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71790	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Alistair, On 3/16 of any year since I got my trains back up and running, I make sure to run on that day. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day   I did - I ran two prewar Flyer 3/16th O gauge Atlantics and a Pacific from the same era (You forgot about them didn't you!) But I also ran my 1947 SIT Hudson on Flyer S track. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:44:52 GMT Subject:Re: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day   never knew 3/16 had a day. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "afjeff_56" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:21:10 -0000 http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> Run your trains today. It's 3/16 day a good day for S Gauge... Jeff S...... __________________________________________________________ Refinance your home now Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5148f8b1c168278b1308dst02vuc [3] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:afjeff_56%40yahoo.com [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5148f8b1c168278b1308dst02vuc [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbmFwMWtsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTc4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4Njc-?act=reply&messageNum=71786 [5] mailto:n9guy@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%203%2F16th%20Day [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%203%2F16th%20Day [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMnIwbTBnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4Njc- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71770;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bGZyNjFhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTc4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4NjcEdHBjSWQDNzE3NzA- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaGg4cDUyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYzNzQyODY3?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkN2Y4OXU5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzYzNzQyODY3 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY2VsY2VmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4Njc- [12] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [13] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidTI5cWpuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2Mzc0Mjg2Nw-- [14] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [15] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [18] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71791	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer

That's why I use ebay only as a last resort, when things don't sell through my clubs, the List, and previous customers. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ________________________________ From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer   A friend of mine currently has over 200 listings on Ebay---their costs now approach 20% per sale. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/19/2013 9:27:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n9guy@... writes: have you ever used ebay? ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>, s-trains list <s-trains@...> Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale: 19B 300 Watt Transformer Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:29:07 -0700 (PDT) <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> 19B 300 Watt Transformer. I put in new bulbs and bulb caps. Under no load, voltmeter is inaccurate, but output is correct. Cord was replaced by previous owner. Some rust on handle and on-off toggle switch; most of the white paint is rubbed off the speed lettering; otherwise beautiful C-7 condition. 2012 TM Guide lists it at $125 in C-7 condition. Make offer. It won't fit in a Priority Mail large flat rate box. Since it weighs over 9 pounds, insured Priority Mailshipping costs about $35. � Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK ipads: $30.93 Get 32GB Apple iPad for as low as $30.93. Limit 1.Day. Grab yours Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5148f781c98b9778106c5st02vuc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71792	From: Jerry	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day

In my train room, EVERY day is 3/16 day. ;>) When I was still working, sometimes I would go downstairs just to run a train for a few minutes before heading out to the Salt Mines. There's something soothing about just watching a train run without actually having an "operationg session". A day without trains is like a day without sunshine.... Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Alistair, > > On 3/16 of any year since I got my trains back up and running, I make sure to run on that day. > Alan Lambert > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "alizoo@..." alizoo@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day > > >  > I did - I ran two prewar Flyer 3/16th O gauge Atlantics and a Pacific > from the same era (You forgot about them didn't you!) But I also ran > my 1947 SIT Hudson on Flyer S track. Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:44:52 GMT > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day > >  > > never knew 3/16 had a day. > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "afjeff_56" > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > Subject: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:21:10 -0000 > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> > Run your trains today. It's 3/16 day a good day for S Gauge... > > Jeff S...... > > __________________________________________________________ > Refinance your home now > Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5148f8b1c168278b1308dst02vuc > [3] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:afjeff_56%40yahoo.com > [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > [3] > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5148f8b1c168278b1308dst02vuc > [4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbmFwMWtsBF9TAzk\ 3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTc4NgRzZWM\ DZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4Njc-?act=reply&messageNum=71786 > [5] > mailto:n9guy@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%203%2F16th%20Day > [6] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%203%2F16t\ h%20Day > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMnIwbTBnBF9TAzk\ 3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHB\ jBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4Njc- > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71770;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bGZyNj\ FhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MT\ c4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4NjcEdHBjSWQDNzE3NzA- > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaGg4cDUyBF9T\ Azk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2\ bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYzNzQyODY3?o=6 > [10] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkN2Y4OXU5BF9TAz\ k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cG\ hvdARzdGltZQMxMzYzNzQyODY3 > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY2VsY2VmBF9TAzk3MzU5\ NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0\ aW1lAzEzNjM3NDI4Njc- > [12] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ > [13] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidTI5cWpuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAz\ I2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2Mzc0Mj\ g2Nw-- > [14] > mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20\ Format:%20Traditional > [15] > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Diges\ t > [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > [18] > mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%\ 20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71793	From: dtrains@ymail.com	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: RS-1 with drive kit for sale

Hi, please check the S-available group list for details if interested in a RS-1 kit, Thanks Dr. k. Loeb (Peter)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71794	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: For Sale: NIB Lionel Flyer engines and rolling stock

Someone came into the clubhouse wanting to sell his late father's collection. I haven't seen them yet, but he says they're all new in the box, never run. A list is on my website:         <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html> If you're interested in any of these items, make me an offer he can't refuse. I'll go pick them up from him and verify that they are indeed NIB. His father also had a lot of Gilbert Flyer that he hasn't yet inventoried.  Stay tuned! Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71795	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: For Sale: Branford Diner

Unpainted yellow plastic in beautiful condition. Light works; 24” long hookup wires. Original sign; repro smoke stack; home made TV antenna. Paint loss at one end of platform and scattered small spots. Windows are all there; wavy and glue spots from regluing, as on most diners. Overall, I'd call it C-5. Picture is available on my website:            <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale_files/CU-767-Branford-Diner.jpg> 2012 TM Guide lists it at $140, so C-5 should be worth about $40.  Make offer. While you're there, check out the rest of the S equipment available!            <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html> Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71796	From: Alan Smith	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day

Jerry, AMEN YES, a few minutes of time to reflect on bygone days in the real world ­ before it got screwed up. Doc On 3/20/13 1:47 PM, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > > > > > In my train room, EVERY day is 3/16 day. ;>) > > When I was still working, sometimes I would go downstairs just to run a > train for a few minutes before heading out to the Salt Mines. There's > something soothing about just watching a train run without actually > having an "operationg session". > > A day without trains is like a day without sunshine.... > > Jerry > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Alan > Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: >> > >> > From: Alan Lambert >> > Fort Worth, Texas >> > >> > Alistair, >> > >> > On 3/16 of any year since I got my trains back up and running, I make > sure to run on that day. >> > Alan Lambert >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: "alizoo@..." alizoo@... >> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:04 PM >> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day >> > >> > >> >  >> > I did - I ran two prewar Flyer 3/16th O gauge Atlantics and a Pacific >> > from the same era (You forgot about them didn't you!) But I also > ran >> > my 1947 SIT Hudson on Flyer S track. Alistair >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >> > To: >> > Cc: >> > Sent:Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:44:52 GMT >> > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day >> > >> >  >> > >> > never knew 3/16 had a day. >> > >> > ---------- Original Message ---------- >> > From: "afjeff_56" >> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [2] >> > Subject: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day >> > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:21:10 -0000 >> > >> > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> >> > Run your trains today. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71797	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day

Alistair, That's good!!! like I said, Run your Trains... Love the old 3/16 Flyer O gauge. But it doesn't get any better then (SIT) Smoke In Tender. One of my favorite things American Flyer did. They were very Unique for the time, and still are now a days... Jeff S...... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > I did - I ran two prewar Flyer 3/16th O gauge Atlantics and a Pacific > from the same era (You forgot about them didn't you!) But I also ran > my 1947 SIT Hudson on Flyer S track. Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:44:52 GMT > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day > >   > > never knew 3/16 had a day. > > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:21:10 -0000 > > Run your trains today. It's 3/16 day a good day for S Gauge... > > Jeff S...... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71798	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/20/2013
Subject: Re: 3/16th Day

Must agree with you about the SIT.  And the rest of your comments. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:49:08 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: 3/16th Day   Alistair, That's good!!! like I said, Run your Trains... Love the old 3/16 Flyer O gauge But it doesn't get any better then (SIT) Smoke In Tender. One of my favorite things American Flyer did. They were very Unique for the time, and still are now a days... Jeff S...... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], alizoo@... wrote: > > I did - I ran two prewar Flyer 3/16th O gauge Atlantics and a Pacific > from the same era (You forgot about them didn't you!) But I also ran > my 1947 SIT Hudson on Flyer S track. Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:44:52 GMT > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] 3/16th Day > >   > > never knew 3/16 had a day. > > > Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:21:10 -0000 > > Run your trains today. It's 3/16 day a good day for S Gauge... > > Jeff S...... > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcnR1OW1nBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTc5NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjM4MjA4Mjc-?act=reply&messageNum=71797 [4] mailto:afjeff_56@...?subject=Re%3A%203%2F16th%20Day [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%203%2F16th%20Day [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNm1rcHYwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM4MjA4Mjc- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71770;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MzBpbzQ5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTc5NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM4MjA4MjcEdHBjSWQDNzE3NzA- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYXYxaWhiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYzODIwODI3?o=6 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMzI4bzA1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzYzODIwODI3 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNGlydDMwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjM4MjA4Mjc- [11] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaDhnZ2ZzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2MzgyMDgyNw-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [17] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71799	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/21/2013
Subject: For sale: 8-car SHS Overland heavyweight set NIB

Unlettered olive green and gray Overland set. New in the box, never run. Hi rail wheels and couplers. Eight-car set comprising: - 70' Railway post office - 70' Baggage car - 70' Combination car - 70' Coach car - 2 83' Pullman cars - 83' Café and lounge car - 70' Observation car Asking $600. Prefer to sell the entire set together, but may entertain offers on individual cars. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71800	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/21/2013
Subject: For sale: D&RGW AM Alco ABA diesels & five SHS heavyweight cars

American models PABA406 Denver and Rio Grande Western Alco ABA diesel set with five SHS 70' heavyweight cars: - Baggage car - Railway Post Office - Combination car - Coach car - Observation car Hi rail wheels and couplers. New in the box, never run. Asking $950 for the set. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71801	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/22/2013
Subject: Re: [AvailableSgauge] For sale: D&RGW AM Alco ABA diesels & five SHS

Wrong price. Asking $725. My mistake. Sorry. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ________________________________ From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>; s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [AvailableSgauge] For sale: D&RGW AM Alco ABA diesels & five SHS heavyweight cars   American models PABA406 Denver and Rio Grande Western Alco ABA diesel set with five SHS 70' heavyweight cars: - Baggage car - Railway Post Office - Combination car - Coach car - Observation car Hi rail wheels and couplers. New in the box, never run. Asking $950 for the set. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71802	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/22/2013
Subject: Re: For sale: 8-car SHS Overland heavyweight set NIB

Wrong price. Asking $400, not $600. My mistake. Sorry. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ________________________________ From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>; s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] For sale: 8-car SHS Overland heavyweight set NIB   Unlettered olive green and gray Overland set. New in the box, never run. Hi rail wheels and couplers. Eight-car set comprising: - 70' Railway post office - 70' Baggage car - 70' Combination car - 70' Coach car - 2 83' Pullman cars - 83' Café and lounge car - 70' Observation car Asking $600. Prefer to sell the entire set together, but may entertain offers on individual cars. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71803	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/22/2013
Subject: For Sale: S-Helper 5400 DC Transformer

C-8 Like New condition. Provides fixed 15V AC for accessories and variable 0-24V DC with reversing switch for track power. Works great. Sorry, I don't have the box or paperwork. The 2010 Greenberg Guide lists it at $50 in C-10 condition. Make offer. Send me your Zip code so I can figure up shipping cost. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71804	From: iradiate1967	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: FS: SSA flyer wheel and coupler equipped tank cars

Hi all. I have some 3 car sets of S Scale America Flyer compatible tank cars that have never seen the rails. No duplicate road numbers. If you look in the photos section you will see an album. 3 car set US Navy ( USQX silver car Black lettering ) 3 car set Shippers Oil Line Corp ( SHPX Black car white lettering ) 3 car set GATX ( Black car white lettering ) Selling for $34.95 dollars each, or if you take the three car set $29.95 each. Buyer pays shipping, Paypal or US postal Money Order accepted. Vince Brunette in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71805	From: Leon Bedard	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: Lonely AF 492 (21916)

Hi all, I have a lonely AF 492 (or 21916), looking for the parent 490, and, perhaps, 24843, 24846, 24849 and 24853 --- all at reasonable price ! Thanks. LB.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71806	From: iradiate1967	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: Re: FS: SSA flyer wheel and coupler equipped tank cars GATX SOLD

Sold the GATX set --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "iradiate1967" <aroostook67@...> wrote: > > Hi all. I have some 3 car sets of S Scale America Flyer compatible tank cars > that have never seen the rails. No duplicate road numbers. If you look in the > photos section you will see an album. > > 3 car set US Navy ( USQX silver car Black lettering ) > > 3 car set Shippers Oil Line Corp ( SHPX Black car white lettering ) > > 3 car set GATX ( Black car white lettering ) > > Selling for $34.95 dollars each, or if you take the three car set $29.95 each. > > Buyer pays shipping, Paypal or US postal Money Order accepted. > > Vince Brunette in Maine >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71807	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: Re: Lonely AF 492 (21916)

Hi LB How much for the AF 492 et al Joe H [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71808	From: tbennerohio	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: 312 power pickup issue

Happy days! Just solved a power pickup problem that has been nagging for two years. I got a box 'o parts 312 SIT two years ago and stripped, repainted, polished and added can motors. It was beautiful and the SIT performed better than I even hoped for. Trouble was that the power pickup was lousy and after about an hour of rail time the reverse unit started acting up. So it became a really good-looking shelf queen. Until a month ago. SITs are so smooth and capable of scale speed running that it was too much of a waste to leave it on the shelf. A Dallee reverse unit fits easily in the boiler so it was back on the rails. I had forgotten the power pickup problem. Whenever it went over one turnout or into a right turn it would stall. Track and wheels were cleaned. Same problem. Smoke hose was not binding. Trucks were free. I added 6 oz of weight to the tender. Same problem. Resoldered leads in the tender. Same problem. This afternoon I replaced the original 1/4" drawbar screw with a longer one and the problem is gone! Completely gone. Wish I had thought of that two years ago! I just wasn't seeing anything binding there. If you have a power pickup problem it's worth a try replacing that screw. I'm off to put some miles on that engine, running the Pittsburgh to Beaver Falls commuter schedule. Tim Benner Dayton Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71809	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/23/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/24/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71810	From: Timboy	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Re: 312 power pickup issue

Great tip, Tim! I was similarly perplexed once on a K5. Turned out the tender frame was slightly warped. All it took was a little delicately applied muscle to un-warp the tender frame and off she went! Smoke 'em if you got 'em! Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Happy days! Just solved a power pickup problem that has been nagging for two years. > > I got a box 'o parts 312 SIT two years ago and stripped, repainted, polished and added can motors. It was beautiful and the SIT performed better than I even hoped for. Trouble was that the power pickup was lousy and after about an hour of rail time the reverse unit started acting up. > > So it became a really good-looking shelf queen. Until a month ago. SITs are so smooth and capable of scale speed running that it was too much of a waste to leave it on the shelf. > > A Dallee reverse unit fits easily in the boiler so it was back on the rails. I had forgotten the power pickup problem. Whenever it went over one turnout or into a right turn it would stall. Track and wheels were cleaned. Same problem. Smoke hose was not binding. Trucks were free. I added 6 oz of weight to the tender. Same problem. Resoldered leads in the tender. Same problem. > > This afternoon I replaced the original 1/4" drawbar screw with a longer one and the problem is gone! Completely gone. Wish I had thought of that two years ago! I just wasn't seeing anything binding there. > > If you have a power pickup problem it's worth a try replacing that screw. I'm off to put some miles on that engine, running the Pittsburgh to Beaver Falls commuter schedule. > > Tim Benner > Dayton Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71811	From: Larry Moore	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: B&O passenger cars

FOR SALE: American models 5 car set of B&O passenger cars. Consists of Sleeper, Baggage, Dome, Coach, and Observation cars. These are 80' cars with scale couplers. Interior light kit installed in observation car, and one additional light kit that is not installed, included. These units were made in the mid 90's, as I do not find the set listed in Greenburg pocket guide. There are some 80' lightweight sets listed, of other road names. I purchased the set, hoping to convert to Hi-Rail, but have decided to go another route. This set is like-new, in original individual boxes, but no set box. They are equipped with electrical pick-up wheels and wipers as mentioned, light kit installed. American Models still offers light kits for the remaining units. I am asking $200.00 plus actual shipping cost. I will be glad to furnish pictures to any interested parties. Please contact me off-list at mo2337@... for pictures or with any questions. Thanks, Larry Moore, NASG member [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71812	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

Just got back from the Lionel Red Carpet Event in North Carolina. Lionel had a sneak preview of some upcoming as yet unannounced new products and among them was a "Polar Express" in S Gauge. The illustration showed what I took to be the O27 Berkshire with the AF scale length Heavyweights. I did not ask if the Berkshire was going to be more scale-orientated or a foreshortened version like the O27 trainset engine. There was a S Scale Seminar session which I could not attend; perhaps someone on the list did and could post what went on there. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71813	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/24/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71814	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

With Lionel coming out with a lot of Flyer stuff, Would it be too much for some link couplers to show up some time? How about converting knuckle to link? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71815	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

________________________________ From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products   Just got back from the Lionel Red Carpet Event in North Carolina. Lionel had a sneak preview of some upcoming as yet unannounced new products and among them was a "Polar Express" in S Gauge. The illustration showed what I took to be the O27 Berkshire with the AF scale length Heavyweights. I did not ask if the Berkshire was going to be more scale-orientated or a foreshortened version like the O27 trainset engine. There was a S Scale Seminar session which I could not attend; perhaps someone on the list did and could post what went on there. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71816	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

more Flyer stuff for SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSure. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:32:36 -0500 Just got back from the Lionel Red Carpet Event in North Carolina. Lionel had a sneak preview of some upcoming as yet unannounced new products and among them was a "Polar Express" in S Gauge. The illustration showed what I took to be the O27 Berkshire with the AF scale length Heavyweights. I did not ask if the Berkshire was going to be more scale-orientated or a foreshortened version like the O27 trainset engine. There was a S Scale Seminar session which I could not attend; perhaps someone on the list did and could post what went on there. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71817	From: Steve Schwartz	Date: 3/24/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

You're kidding, right? From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products With Lionel coming out with a lot of Flyer stuff, Would it be too much for some link couplers to show up some time? How about converting knuckle to link? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71818	From: rick gough	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

Hey, one ACG creation that Lionel could likely actually improve upon might be those awful link couplers. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: Steve Schwartz <schwartzsj@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=13819864415&tc_rand=204867259&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt   You're kidding, right? From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:55 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products With Lionel coming out with a lot of Flyer stuff, Would it be too much for some link couplers to show up some time? How about converting knuckle to link? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71819	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

Though I no longer have any Flyer knuckle coupled stock I have to agree with your questioning. Though I suspect that new link couplers made without unstable plastic solvents and release agents would not give the problems we enthusiasts are used to.  Actually no hope for me - I only run 1946 and 1947 weightless link couplers so I don't expect uncoupling free running. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 25 Mar 2013 01:01:18 -0400 Subject:RE: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products   You're kidding, right? From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1] [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2]] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products With Lionel coming out with a lot of Flyer stuff, Would it be too much for some link couplers to show up some time? How about converting knuckle to link? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [4] http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNHZycmxuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTgxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjQxOTAzMjA-?act=reply&messageNum=71817 [6] mailto:schwartzsj@...?subject=RE%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20Upcoming%20new%20Lionel%20S%20Gauge%20products [7] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20Upcoming%20new%20Lionel%20S%20Gauge%20products [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZXQ4cWdxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQxOTAzMjA- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71808;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cWFobnJvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTgxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQxOTAzMjAEdHBjSWQDNzE4MDg- [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbnVmb2hpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY0MTkwMzIw?o=6 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZDZpdGF1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY0MTkwMzIw [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjODA3bjFhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQxOTAzMjA- [13] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZWRoNnB2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDE5MDMyMA-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [19] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71820	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Gilbert HO

I have lots of part for Gilbert HO, and would like to move then along, Any one interested ??? contact me off line. NO I don't want to put them on E bay. I prefer to sell than to a real HO Gilbert modeler that would enjoy them. AND yor I have built a set of coils to re magitize the DC motors. Plus I am looking for maginets for Miller Switcher motors, as I have sseveralarmatures. \ JERRY ____________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71821	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

Interesting idea, but I'd have to pass.   Common link coupler equipment is just too inexpensive to pay the going rate for new production stuff.     Brady     ________________________________ From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:55 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products With Lionel coming out with a lot of Flyer stuff, Would it be too much for some link couplers to show up some time? How about converting knuckle to link? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71822	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Jerry, WHAT do you have in mind--inventory, etc. Thanks, Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/25/2013 9:31:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, grdobbs@... writes: I have lots of part for Gilbert HO, and would like to move then along, Any one interested ??? contact me off line. NO I don't want to put them on E bay. I prefer to sell than to a real HO Gilbert modeler that would enjoy them. AND yor I have built a set of coils to re magitize the DC motors. Plus I am looking for maginets for Miller Switcher motors, as I have sseveralarmatures. \ JERRY ____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71823	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: LCCA Red Carpet Event

I attended the Lionel Collectors Club of America (LCCA) Red Carpet event this past Saturday and was very pleasantly surprised. The price of admission was an LCCA year membership of $35 with all club benefits for a year, which I thought was quite reasonable. The new Lionel facility is located at 6301 Performance Drive in Concord, NC, next to the south end of Charlotte (Lowe's) Motor Speedway just off of U.S. 29.   The LCCA is making a concerted effort towards recruiting S gauge members. They even have 2 S gauge club cars in production--one a gondola with a load (of what looked like maybe pumpkins) and the other (I believe, my cell phone was dead so I could not take pictures) was a B&O stock car. Finally, they are looking for someone to write an S gauge column for their quarterly newsletter, so let me know if you are interested.   The actual event consisted of viewing the Lionel layouts, a tour of the facilities, special sale items, an archives auction, and four seminars. The layouts are the same as those seen at prior York and other train shows. Most of the sale items were Lionel (I picked up the 6-37935 Operating Track Gang Vignette, which I plan to convert to a removing the third rail accessory, for $63).  However, there was an entire wall of Lionel AF, including Challengers for $639, AF Commemorative Docksider for $70, U33C diesels (forget the price on these), and several accessories and cars (I picked up the 6-48431 Sunoco tank car for $45 and the 6-49855 illuminated Christmas Station Platform for $25. Although sales tax was added, there were no shipping costs and these prices compare very favorably with the larger dealer prices.   The tour was extremely interesting. This facility is now Lionel's main headquarters for everything, including their diecast NASCAR lines. Lionel uses the 70K square feet on the first floor and the company they bought the diecast car right from uses the second floor. Lionel moved here about 10 months ago from MI and PA. We visited the Lionel offices, the Lionel Showroom (which includes a historical overview of Lionel Trains, including Gilbert AF prewar and postwar), the art department (mockups of the new Lionel catalog in various stages were on the walls; this catalog goes to the printer this week or next; the 2013 AF catalog is already at the printers and I was not able to get a sneak peek at it; both catalogs will be available at York), and the archives (these were somewhat disappointing to me as items were not arranged for easy viewing [e.g., the ends of cars faced outward], there were only a few prototypes, and it consisted primarily of stacks of boxed cars, many in multiples. There were several sets of shelves filled with postwar and Lionel-produced AF.    Perhaps the most exciting portions of the tour were the revelations that all of Lionel will be located at this facility (including Service and Parts, which will move down from Canfield, OH), that the comemorative Lionel cars made in the USA will henceforth be made in nearby Greensboro, NC, and the announcement of the AF Polar Express, which should be in the new 2013 AF catalog. I, too, was unable to discern the actual loco pulling the Polar Express and forgot to ask about it.   There were four seminars, and I attended 3 of them. I skipped the one on the new LCCA O gauge FasTrack modular layout, although I did examine some of the modules on the display layout and had previously viewed the LCCA specs. The S Gauge Discussion on S Gauge was really a showing of a DVD about the development of AF trains made by Lionel presented by Ed Boyle of O Gauge Railroading. It was an encouragement to LCCA members to consider S gauge as part of their collections, when moving up from HO or smaller gauges, and/or to add it on existing layout to get a forced perspective look. The seminar on scenery tips and effects was presented by Roger Farkash of TW Designs in Dallas, TX and was very well done. This is the company that made the 32 by 8 foot BNSF layout for Berkshire Hathaway to show to Warren Buffet (who operates standard gauge trains). Finally, Mike Reagan presented on Lionel parts and service, including several helpful tips about how to negotiate around the Lionel website and within the parts listings. I did not stay for the 6:30 pm auction of about 30 items from the Lionel archives. This consisted of about 30 mockups and preproduction O gauge items from the archives and did not contain any S gauge items. We did receive a goodie bag consisting of a Lionel watch, 2012 Volume II catalog, refrigerator magnet, keychain and Lionelville Destination Adventure DVD as well as a train erasor and 2 Lionel Action Racing Collectables 1/64 scale Lionel Racing NASCAR diecast cars (I got the ones for 2011 and 2013). Bottom line, Lionel isbecoming firmly entrnched in North Carolina and the LCCA seems to hold some promise as another avenue for S gaugers. The members and officers of LCCA in charge that I met were all very friendly and accomodating. I plan to continue monitoring their website (http://www.lionelcollectors.org/) and following their S gauge releases. Joe Haenn Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ########### [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71824	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

do you have a list of parts I can pick and choose from or I need 2 Hudson front trucks complete let me know the cost with shipping , Thanks , Gino Restivo .......... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > I have lots of part for Gilbert HO, and would like to move then > along, Any one interested ??? contact me off line. NO I don't want > to put them on E bay. I prefer to sell than to a real HO Gilbert modeler > that would enjoy them. AND yor I have built a set of coils to re > magitize the DC motors. Plus I am looking for maginets for Miller > Switcher motors, as I have sseveralarmatures. > \ > JERRY > ____________________________________________________________ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71825	From: lastmanstndng	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

From; Ghost3141@............ , I need 2 front trucks for hudsons locos, please forward e-mail or number , Thanks .... local guys seem to be outa town --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, SFLYERCRAZY@... wrote: > > I know Gary doesnt want his home phone passed around. I will give you his > current email off the list if anybody needs it. He prefers it that way...Bill > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71826	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

I'll gladly part with link trucks in favor of knuckle. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/25/2013 1:45:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, schwartzsj@... writes: You're kidding, right? From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products With Lionel coming out with a lot of Flyer stuff, Would it be too much for some link couplers to show up some time? How about converting knuckle to link? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71827	From: Herbert	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > I have lots of part for Gilbert HO, and would like to move then > along, Any one interested ??? contact me off line. NO I don't want > to put them on E bay. I prefer to sell than to a real HO Gilbert modeler > that would enjoy them. AND yor I have built a set of coils to re > magitize the DC motors. Plus I am looking for maginets for Miller > Switcher motors, as I have sseveralarmatures. > \ > JERRY > ____________________________________________________________ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71828	From: Herbert	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Have you tried posting on the Gilberthotrains group> I will post a message there. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > I have lots of part for Gilbert HO, and would like to move then > along, Any one interested ??? contact me off line. NO I don't want > to put them on E bay. I prefer to sell than to a real HO Gilbert modeler > that would enjoy them. AND yor I have built a set of coils to re > magitize the DC motors. Plus I am looking for maginets for Miller > Switcher motors, as I have sseveralarmatures. > \ > JERRY > ____________________________________________________________ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71829	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Hi Gino, � Are you still making parts. Please contact me off line seccia@... Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: lastmanstndng <ghost3141@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert HO   do you have a list of parts I can pick and choose from or I need 2 Hudson front trucks complete let me know the cost with shipping , Thanks , Gino Restivo .......... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > I have lots of part for Gilbert HO, and would like to move then > along, Any one interested ??? contact me off line. NO I don't want > to put them on E bay. I prefer to sell than to a real HO Gilbert modeler > that would enjoy them. AND yor I have built a set of coils to re > magitize the DC motors. Plus I am looking for maginets for Miller > Switcher motors, as I have sseveralarmatures. > \ > JERRY > __________________________________________________________ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71830	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Hi Jerry, � What is your contact email off line. I am interested. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO   I have lots of part for Gilbert HO, and would like to move then along, Any one interested ??? contact me off line. NO I don't want to put them on E bay. I prefer to sell than to a real HO Gilbert modeler that would enjoy them. AND yor I have built a set of coils to re magitize the DC motors. Plus I am looking for maginets for Miller Switcher motors, as I have sseveralarmatures. \ JERRY __________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71831	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert & Lionel Flyer freight cars

I am selling trains from several collections. For reference purposes, I show 2012 TM Guide book values(adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer I can't refuse!Please include your zip code so I can quote shipping cost. Pictures available on request. 911 C&O Gondola with pipe load: All four steps intact, couplers work; repro pipes, racks, & wire tie-downs; rusty coupler weights; car and wheels nice and clean; C-6/C-7 $25; see picture on my website:                     <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale_files/911-CnO-Pipe-Gondola.jpg> 48436/48476 1991 NASG Commemorative NYC Reefer: NIB $72 48437 1991 NASG Boraxo Covered Hopper: NIB $72 48480 1993 NASG Susie Q Box Car: NIB $85 2 - 48481 1993 NASG REA Reefer: NIB $75 each Visit the For Sale pages of my website TheGilbertGallery.org for an almost complete listing of all the things I have for sale, S, Plasticville, Plasticville parts, and some O, N, and HO for the multi-scalers out there. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71832	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 3/25/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Hi Jerry, I would be interested in buying you Gilbert HO parts. Harwood owings -----Original Message----- From: Herbert <hwass@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 25, 2013 3:59 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Gilbert HO Have you tried posting on the Gilberthotrains group> I will post a message there. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > I have lots of part for Gilbert HO, and would like to move then > along, Any one interested ??? contact me off line. NO I don't want > to put them on E bay. I prefer to sell than to a real HO Gilbert modeler > that would enjoy them. AND yor I have built a set of coils to re > magitize the DC motors. Plus I am looking for maginets for Miller > Switcher motors, as I have sseveralarmatures. > \ > JERRY > __________________________________________________________ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71833	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

If you want link couplers, I think you will have to install your own. ________________________________ From: rick gough <racin510@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products   Hey, one ACG creation that Lionel could likely actually improve upon might be those awful link couplers. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: Steve Schwartz <schwartzsj@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=13819864415&tc_rand=204867259&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt   You're kidding, right? From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:55 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products With Lionel coming out with a lot of Flyer stuff, Would it be too much for some link couplers to show up some time? How about converting knuckle to link? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71834	From: Timboy	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

Brady, I couldn't agree more! Linkers are uniquely early American Flyer. The only knuckles I run is a Baldwin set in excellent original condition - for sentimental reasons. Otherwise, I have capped the money I spend on trains by only running vintage stock linkers. This keeps my collection down to a manageable level. I now only have what I need to run on my Sibley and just a little bit more so I can swap out from time-to-time. I don't have the usual shelves full and boxes hidden under the table that most of us seem to have to have. :) :) :) :) On my last layout, I converted everything to DC. On this layout, I converted everything back to original open-frame motors and overhauled mechanical reverse units. Oh, and I only run die-cast steamers. That further caps the money I spend and takes me out of the picture on diesel maintenance (except for that stock Baldwin). Sure, there will be ongoing maintenance on the reverse units, but if I have built my Sibley correctly, that should be about all I have to bother maintaining. I'm wrapping up the build on that layout, so there will be a final update with a vid or two coming soon - to a neighborhood theater near you. Rated "G" - for Gilbert, all Gilbert. :) :) :) :) -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > Interesting idea, but I'd have to pass.   Common link coupler equipment is just too inexpensive to pay the going rate for new production stuff. >   >   > Brady >   >   > > ________________________________ > From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of mike rosz > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:55 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products > > With Lionel coming out with a lot of Flyer stuff, Would it be too much for > some link couplers to show up some time? > > How about converting knuckle to link? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________________ > > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n > wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& > rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by > sender. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71835	From: stephen.terni	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Flyer Hotel Wanted

Hi all, I am looking for an original or reproduction Flyer # 168 hotel in C6 condition or better. If you have one you would like to sell please contact me off line. Thanks. Steve Terni

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71836	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Science Friday podcast about NYCs Grand Central Terminal

http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/traffic.libsyn.com/sciencefriday/scifri201303222.mp3     Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71837	From: Thomas	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: New link to AF Repair Guide

I just made it possible to put my Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide on an Apple iPad. If you have the print version of this 3rd edition book, it's a free download from dropbox. You need to contact me for the URL. Go to the link for instructions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71838	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

I personally can’t imagine why anyone would want to operate with, or see a reissue of, the inferior link couplers. Knuckle couplers had their problems, same as the link couplers, but Gilbert was absolutely correct in introducing them, just for the realistic and aesthetic value they added, not to mention increased operability. Bruce DeGailler From: WJJIM@... Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:20 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products I'll gladly part with link trucks in favor of knuckle. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/25/2013 1:45:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mailto:schwartzsj%40juno.com writes: You're kidding, right? From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:55 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products With Lionel coming out with a lot of Flyer stuff, Would it be too much for some link couplers to show up some time? How about converting knuckle to link? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71839	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Re: New link to AF Repair Guide

Do you have one for a standard pdf file? I don't have apple. How do I show you I have a copy since I got it ? thanks Carey Carey Probst Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/26/2013 2:52 PM, Thomas wrote: > > I just made it possible to put my Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge > Operating and Repair Guide on an Apple iPad. If you have the print > version of this 3rd edition book, it's a free download from dropbox. > You need to contact me for the URL. Go to the link for instructions. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71840	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products

I know a few local S guys who love the link couplers. I think they like to tinker. It is a nostalgia thing. From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <goatfarm@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:04:35 -0700 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products I personally can¹t imagine why anyone would want to operate with, or see a reissue of, the inferior link couplers. Knuckle couplers had their problems, same as the link couplers, but Gilbert was absolutely correct in introducing them, just for the realistic and aesthetic value they added, not to mention increased operability. Bruce DeGailler From: WJJIM@... <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:20 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products I'll gladly part with link trucks in favor of knuckle. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/25/2013 1:45:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mailto:schwartzsj%40juno.com writes: You're kidding, right? From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:55 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products With Lionel coming out with a lot of Flyer stuff, Would it be too much for some link couplers to show up some time? How about converting knuckle to link? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/?u=http://newsletter.adsonar.com/n wrss/iMapRedirector?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222& rotation=4&type=2&pos=0&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> Image removed by sender. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71841	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: HO parts

Hi every one that responded, I was over whelmed with response, I don't have a list, I have been fixing trains since the 50's, and have acclimated a lot of USED I repeat USED parts, to fix trains for operators. not collectors. I really don't want to sell ALL the parts because I still have more trains than I need & need to keep them running. BUT, I love to salvage the old stuff, and like to share with others that can use some used parts to get something running. I am sure the die cast shells aren't worth the postage to ship. Not that it matters, but I have parts from my old # 313 Lionel repair station that I ran in "56" , Hundreds of train parts, mostly Flyer, Marx. and Lionel, & all gages. My main focus is to salvage the old trains from the past, and enjoy a hobby with people that enjoy toy trains, a hobby that seems to be disappearing Jerry TCA HR 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Breathe Right® Flu Relief Have the Flu? Breathe Better So You Can Feel Better. Try Breathe Right! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51522205e0ed32205700bst02duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71842	From: gsc3	Date: 3/26/2013
Subject: For Sale- SHS & American Models HI-Rail wheelsets

I am a S scale modeler. I have 66 axles worth of SHS & American Models HI-Rail wheelsets. These have never been used. I will sell them for 75 cents a axle plus actual shipping. Please contact me off-list if interested. I am a member of NASG. Thanks, George Courtney gsc3@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71843	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products)

<< I personally can’t imagine why anyone would want to operate with, or see a reissue of, the inferior link couplers. Knuckle couplers had their problems, same as the link couplers, but Gilbert was absolutely correct in introducing them, just for the realistic and aesthetic value they added, not to mention increased operability. Bruce DeGailler >>   Bruce,   I can't argue with the realistic and aesthetic value of knuckle couplers, but what increased operability do they provide?     Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71844	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products)

I agree there - electrically operated remote uncouplers were available for prewar Flyer O gauge link couplers before WW2 and they worked well as did the post war equivalents. The problem wasn't in the design but in the plastic used in manufacture of the link couplers. The knuckle couplers howevercan be a pain for uncoupling just the same though they look better. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject:[S-Trains] Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products)   >   Bruce,   I can't argue with the realistic and aesthetic value of knuckle couplers, but what increased operability do they provide?     Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groupsyahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZ2NkZDFoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTg0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjQzOTA3MDY-?act=reply&messageNum=71843 [2] mailto:bradyburdge@...?subject=Re%3A%20Couplers%20%28was%20Upcoming%20new%20Lionel%20S%20Gauge%20products%29 [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Couplers%20%28was%20Upcoming%20new%20Lionel%20S%20Gauge%20products%29 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNWFzZ3I4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQzOTA3MDY- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71808;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Z3E3Ym12BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTg0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQzOTA3MDYEdHBjSWQDNzE4MDg- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZjFrc2huBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY0MzkwNzA2?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkN281aWZsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY0MzkwNzA2 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJlc2g2dTN0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDM5MDcwNg-- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjM3FvbzVhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQzOTA3MDY- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZDdyY2JxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDM5MDcwNg-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [16] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71845	From: Timboy	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion

It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog about it and see the final video: http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ -Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71846	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: MTH

Guys and GAL.... I got my "s" club materials about 2 weeks ago..... Now I see they will have the "S" catalog available for York pickup...... Might just go if I can find a reasonable motel..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71847	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products)

Let me start by saying that I have both link coupler and knuckle coupler cars and engines. I tend to leave whatever coupler was original to the piece on it and have sometimes reinstalled links to cars that had been converted to knuckles. I usually run an all knuckle train or an all link train but have a few cars with one of each so I can intermingle. I like the looks of the more closly coupled cars that link couplers provide. They are not that visable when the train is made up and with an unlighted caboose, I turn the back truck around so the link coupler is not hanging out the back. On a lighted caboose I leave the coupler off the back if it has been broken off. In the old Greenberg book there is a picture of a car with one of each couplers and to my eye the link coupler is less noticable than the grossly oversized knuckle. In summary, I find that if the link couplers are correctly installed and adjusted, they work very well. It is just a matter of taste. Use what ever you like most or use both. Thanks for reading my opinion. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > I agree there - electrically operated remote uncouplers were available > for prewar Flyer O gauge link couplers before WW2 and they worked well > as did the post war equivalents. The problem wasn't in the design but > in the plastic used in manufacture of the link couplers. The knuckle > couplers howevercan be a pain for uncoupling just the same though > they look better. Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" > Cc: > Sent:Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:20:36 -0700 (PDT) > Subject:[S-Trains] Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge > products) > >   > > > >   > Bruce, >   > I can't argue with the realistic and aesthetic value of knuckle > couplers, but what increased operability do they provide? >   >   > Brady > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] > http://groupsyahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZ2NkZDFoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTg0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjQzOTA3MDY-?act=reply&messageNum=71843 > [2] > mailto:bradyburdge@...?subject=Re%3A%20Couplers%20%28was%20Upcoming%20new%20Lionel%20S%20Gauge%20products%29 > [3] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Couplers%20%28was%20Upcoming%20new%20Lionel%20S%20Gauge%20products%29 > [4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNWFzZ3I4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQzOTA3MDY- > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71808;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Z3E3Ym12BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTg0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQzOTA3MDYEdHBjSWQDNzE4MDg- > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZjFrc2huBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY0MzkwNzA2?o=6 > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkN281aWZsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY0MzkwNzA2 > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJlc2g2dTN0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDM5MDcwNg-- > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjM3FvbzVhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQzOTA3MDY- > [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZDdyY2JxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDM5MDcwNg-- > [12] > mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [13] > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > [16] > mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71848	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: MTH Electric Trains S Gauge Newsletter - March 27, 2013

Here It IS Guys and Ladies, Harwood MTH Home My MTH Product Locator MTH News MTH Service Contact Us 2013 S-Gauge Catalogs To Be Released Week Of April 14, 2013 March 27, 2013 - M.T.H. Electric Trains will be releasing our 2013 S-Gauge catalog in conjunction with the York, Pennsylvania Train Collectors Association (TCA) meet beginning Thursday, April 18, 2013. This year's catalog release is timed with the York TCA show to help spark interest among TCA members to attend the show and help support the TCA. M.T.H. Authorized Retailers will receive their in-store counter copies by Thursday, April 18th. Those fans who are unable to attend the York meet can visit their local retailer to learn of the catalog's contents or review an online version of the catalog which will be available for viewing and download, beginning Thursday, April 18, 2013. CATALOG PICKUP M.T.H. mailing list subscribers and M.T.H. Railroaders Club members (MTHRRC) attending the 2013 Spring TCA York, Pennsylvania train meet can avoid the wait for the U.S. Postal Service by picking up the 2013 catalog and a selection of other M.T.H. previously printed materials beginning Thursday at 12:00 noon. Other show attendees who wish to pickup our latest catalog can also do so at the show by subscribing to our mailing list. To simplify the pickup process for any of our catalogs at the show, we've included an online form that readers can print out and fill out prior to coming to the show. Bring the completed form and we will be able to process you faster through our catalog pickup line. CLICK HERE for the CATALOG PICKUP FORM Those mailing list subscribers not attending the York TCA show will begin receiving their copies when the 2013 catalog mailing begins the week of May 5, 2013. The mailings will be subscriber specific and will cover the 2013 Volume 2 O Gauge catalog, the 2013 Lionel Corporation Tinplate catalog, the 2013 S-Gauge catalog and the 2013 Ready-to-Run Train Set and Accessory catalog. Follow Us On © 2013 M.T.H. Electric Trains 7020 Columbia Gateway Drive, Columbia, MD 21046 (410)381-2580 © 2013 M.T.H. Electric Trains 7020 Columbia Gateway Drive, Columbia, MD 21046 (410)381-2580 Sent to: howingsiii@... Unsubscribe MTH Electric Trains 7020 Columbia Gateway Drive Columbia, MD 21046 USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71849	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products)

Brady, In my opinion, having operated both link and knuckle couplers, the knuckles uncouple much easier than the links during operation and, if you employ solid knuckle couplers, they don’t detach at the most inopportune times, unlike link (or even operating knuckle) couplers. That has been my experience. Add to that the fact that they are realistic and aesthetic and you’ve got a proven winner in my book. Bruce From: Brady Burdge Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:20 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Couplers (was Upcoming new Lionel S Gauge products) << I personally can’t imagine why anyone would want to operate with, or see a reissue of, the inferior link couplers. Knuckle couplers had their problems, same as the link couplers, but Gilbert was absolutely correct in introducing them, just for the realistic and aesthetic value they added, not to mention increased operability. Bruce DeGailler >> Bruce, I can't argue with the realistic and aesthetic value of knuckle couplers, but what increased operability do they provide? Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71850	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: link couplers

I run link couplers on our TCA module, "O" & "S" both, even with bad track and really don't have a problem. With a little bit of help from a #8 rubber band, between the links. & on the coupler pins. ( a small needle nose pliers helps to make the connection ) , It doesn't work for switching, but on a passenger train consist it works excellent. Running on the modules, the cars hit a bad spot, a small space shows up between the cars , then like magic, zip, up cones the cars and reconnect back up. It keeps the fun in running trains. Jerry TCA HR 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Breathe Right® Flu Relief Have the Flu? Breathe Better So You Can Feel Better. Try Breathe Right! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/515389d75f81a9d743ccst02duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71851	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Hi Jerry I am interested in gilbert ho paert I repair my own Gilbert trains do you have a list you could e mail me americanflyer@... <mailto:americanflyer@...> Thanks Stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gerald r dobbs Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO I have lots of part for Gilbert HO, and would like to move then along, Any one interested ??? contact me off line. NO I don't want to put them on E bay. I prefer to sell than to a real HO Gilbert modeler that would enjoy them. AND yor I have built a set of coils to re magitize the DC motors. Plus I am looking for maginets for Miller Switcher motors, as I have sseveralarmatures. \ JERRY __________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71852	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: reasonable motel

Bob, Lancaster or Adams County, either one relatively short ride. Even north to Dauphin County up Rt 83. I talked to a York Co Commissioner some years ago, while he was on radio to promote York Co, he admitted ( without using the word gouging ) that motels were a problem "several times a year". TCA, the Hot Rods group, & the HOG group really get nailed in York. The "Billy Budd" (whatever) looks like it is pretty empty these days. Imagine that. Jim "crossing the river" Lyle In a message dated 3/27/2013 3:32:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: Guys and GAL.... I got my "s" club materials about 2 weeks ago..... Now I see they will have the "S" catalog available for York pickup...... Might just go if I can find a reasonable motel..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71853	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/27/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion

Tim, I like it!! It is not exactly like Sibley, but stands out on its own. You have taken what I think isprobably one of the best display track plans with all its advantages and given it your personal touch. I particularlyliked how you handled the tunnel exit of the over-under figure 8 with the girder bridge leading to the trestles. I think that is a definite improvement over Sibley as I always found the earthen ramp a bit contrived. That is one of the reasons Ipreferred the FAO Schwarz layout where the tunnel exits are all at the same level, but with pretty much the same track plan. Also, the use of the trestles has the added benefit of making the interior portions of the layout more viewable and less isolated. Great job and I marvel at how fast you work. Dale On 3/27/2013 10:39 AM, Timboy wrote: > > It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog about it and > see the final video: > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > -Tim > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71854	From: Alex	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion

Great work Tim, thanks for sharing. Alex Sibbald ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog about it and see the final video: http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ -Tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71855	From: Timboy	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion

Thanks guys, This morning I added 20-some pics to show more detail than the video. -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alex" <innotron@...> wrote: > > Great work Tim, thanks for sharing. > Alex Sibbald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Timboy > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:39 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion > > > > It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog about it and see the final video: > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > -Tim > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71856	From: Herbert	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: link couplers

The toy-like link couplers were a major marketing problem for Gilbert, Especially since they promoted Flyer on the basis of scale model realism. I remember in the immediate post WWII years, in discussions with Lionel fans, they would laughingly deride the Flyer couplers and consider them a joke. They coupler would embarrassingly uncouple unexpectedly. Lionel recognized this and HEAVILY promoted "real railroad knuckle couplers" in their catalogs and ads. Coupler redesign became a major priority at Gilbert. Marshall Frisbie, the Gilbert chief engineer told me that he "went throgh coupler hell in designing a coupler that would not infringe on Lionel's patents. Herb Wasserman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71857	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion

Tim,   Fantastic work.    As a side note, the sky background on the walls (from the previous layout?) makes for a neat room and effect for photography   Brady ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion   It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog about it and see the final video: http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ -Tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71858	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Interesting Afternoon

I spent part of Wednesday afternoon in the DALLEE labs, saw the new label developed for the forthcoming 1101 A/C Sound Controller and also watched the first one being "built." Of more interest, since this was in America, the "poll" sent to a number of DALLEE dealers about the final configuration of the label, was being answered and returned within 30 minutes. AS I said this was in America ( Leola Pennsylvania, actually ) a product being built with ease of use in mind, being made with input from those most likely to sell and/or use it. Controller should be available late Spring. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71859	From: barb	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Sibley Tribute

Tim, You did a wonderful job of recreating this layout with many enhancements. Well done.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71860	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting Afternoon

Jim, Will it be proprietary (like the LocoMatic box) and/or require the installation of chokes in engines or rolling stock that draw power in order to not get interruptions in the sound(s) when activated? Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > I spent part of Wednesday afternoon in the DALLEE labs, saw the new label > developed for the forthcoming 1101 A/C Sound Controller and also watched the > first one being "built." Of more interest, since this was in America, > the "poll" sent to a number of DALLEE dealers about the final configuration > of the label, was being answered and returned within 30 minutes. AS I > said this was in America ( Leola Pennsylvania, actually ) a product being > built with ease of use in mind, being made with input from those most likely > to sell and/or use it. Controller should be available late Spring. > > Jim Lyle > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71861	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion

Well done. Again. You have torn down and put more layouts in 2 years than I will in 3 lifetimes, but I enjoy watching your progress and final results every time. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy. At least for 3 days, and then get on with your next one. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog about it and see the final video: > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > -Tim >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71862	From: wjjim2001	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Interesting Afternoon

TWO power wires in, TWO track wires out. THAT simple. DIRECTION--WHISTLE--BELL pushbuttons. Designed to minimize power drop. Saw the "prototype" tested, that was a major issue Dallas worked around. Will have as soon as they are released, price expected to be $ 89.95 each. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/28/2013 1:03:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsme_horn@... writes: Jim, Will it be proprietary (like the LocoMatic box) and/or require the installation of chokes in engines or rolling stock that draw power in order to not get interruptions in the sound(s) when activated? Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > I spent part of Wednesday afternoon in the DALLEE labs, saw the new label > developed for the forthcoming 1101 A/C Sound Controller and also watched the > first one being "built." Of more interest, since this was in America, > the "poll" sent to a number of DALLEE dealers about the final configuration > of the label, was being answered and returned within 30 minutes. AS I > said this was in America ( Leola Pennsylvania, actually ) a product being > built with ease of use in mind, being made with input from those most likely > to sell and/or use it. Controller should be available late Spring. > > Jim Lyle > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71863	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide

Does anybody know when the 2014 edition will become available? Thanks, Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71864	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: New York Central Modeler Magazine (free)

New York Central Modeler Magazine http://nycshs.org/nycentral_modeler.php Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71865	From: Steve Schwartz	Date: 3/28/2013
Subject: Re: Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide

As soon as they can fudge the numbers (usually, and unrealistically up) They seem to make them available for the Fall York TCA meet. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Baker Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide Does anybody know when the 2014 edition will become available? Thanks, Al Baker ____________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/51551b557232f1b51568amp09duc> MEN: How To Lose Your Gut Top Doc Says THIS Is the Easiest Way to Shrink Your Gut... <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/51551b557232f1b51568amp09duc> HConfidential.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71866	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide

Or, like 2012, maybe they’ll forego a year and leave it up to TM Books and Video to come out with the 2014 Price and Rarity Guide. It wouldn’t surprise me if the two companies have a deal to stagger updates on an every other year basis. Otherwise, it seems to me that Kalmbach Publishing wouldn’t have missed the 2013 issue, thereby leaving an opening for TM to issue a superior and more complete price guide, which they did. The paper section, set section, and future price indicators blew Kalmbach’s inferior guide book out of the water, in my opinion. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. From: Steve Schwartz Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide As soon as they can fudge the numbers (usually, and unrealistically up) They seem to make them available for the Fall York TCA meet. From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Baker Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:36 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide Does anybody know when the 2014 edition will become available? Thanks, Al Baker __________________________________________________________ <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/51551b557232f1b51568amp09duc> MEN: How To Lose Your Gut Top Doc Says THIS Is the Easiest Way to Shrink Your Gut... <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3156/51551b557232f1b51568amp09duc> HConfidential.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71867	From: Timboy	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion

Thanks once again to everyone for all the nice comments. I confess that I had ambivalence about this build. All winter long, I had a strong feeling that this would be my last Flyer layout. If this is true, then it's only fitting that I end with a version of a classic Gilbert display layout that has stood the test of time. I was tempted to do an updated version of the Hall of Science layout, but I viewed that build as a two-year project and I couldn't talk myself into it. That and I didn't want to devote any more space than what I did for the Sibley, due to other hobbies begging for equal resources. So, this layout will stay. I'll have fun running it for hopefully, a long time! Hmmmmmm, where did I put that Hall of Science track plan... -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > Well done. Again. You have torn down and put more layouts in 2 years than I will in 3 lifetimes, but I enjoy watching your progress and final results every time. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy. At least for 3 days, and then get on with your next one. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote: > > > > It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog about it and see the final video: > > > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > > > -Tim > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71868	From: lionely6b	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Breenberg's AF Pocket Price Guide

Al, Kalmbach plans to do an AF guide every other year in the future. The next one would be for 2015 due to arrive in the fall of 2014. Of course, one could always purchase an infinitely better and much more complete 2012 TM guide. ;-)) Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/29/2013 6:21:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by: _"Al Baker" alhbaker _ (mailto:albaker33@...?subject=Re:%20Greenbergs%20AF%20Pocket%20Price%20Guide) Does anybody know when the 2014 edition will become available? Thanks, Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71869	From: Joseph H	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide

I thought Greenberg decided to only do the AF Guide every other year and do the Marx guides between years. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > Does anybody know when the 2014 edition will become available? > > Thanks, > Al Baker >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71870	From: Thomas	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: New link to AF Repair Guide

I posted a link to my website in the "links" of this group, but I think that is too obscure. So here is that link directly (if that is an OK thing to post in a message?). http://tombarker.net/TomBarkerWebsite/American_Flyer_Repair_Guide.html --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > Do you have one for a standard pdf file? I don't have apple. > > How do I show you I have a copy since I got it ? > > thanks > > Carey > Carey Probst > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > On 3/26/2013 2:52 PM, Thomas wrote: > > > > I just made it possible to put my Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge > > Operating and Repair Guide on an Apple iPad. If you have the print > > version of this 3rd edition book, it's a free download from dropbox. > > You need to contact me for the URL. Go to the link for instructions. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71871	From: Thomas	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: New link to AF Repair Guide

The file that works on the Apple iPad is a pdf. Here's the link to my webpage where all the information is found: http://tombarker.net/TomBarkerWebsite/American_Flyer_Repair_Guide.html --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > Do you have one for a standard pdf file? I don't have apple. > > How do I show you I have a copy since I got it ? > > thanks > > Carey > Carey Probst > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > On 3/26/2013 2:52 PM, Thomas wrote: > > > > I just made it possible to put my Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge > > Operating and Repair Guide on an Apple iPad. If you have the print > > version of this 3rd edition book, it's a free download from dropbox. > > You need to contact me for the URL. Go to the link for instructions. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71872	From: Thomas	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: New link to AF Repair Guide

The link is in the "links" section of this group. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas" <tbbeqa@...> wrote: > > I just made it possible to put my Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide on an Apple iPad. If you have the print version of this 3rd edition book, it's a free download from dropbox. You need to contact me for the URL. Go to the link for instructions. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71873	From: Thomas	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide

There seems to be some confusion about a message I posted last week. I had placed a link to my personal website where there is a video on the Apple iBooks version of the Repair Guide that plays on an Apple iPad. To go to this page, you need to go over to the top left of this group's page and click on "Links." Then scroll down to the link I posted. This will take you to my website and the video where I state the requirements to either purchase the electronic version or get it for free if you already own the 3rd edition of the book. This is NOT an upgrade if you own an earlier edition. If I can, here is the link directly: http://tombarker.net/TomBarkerWebsite/American_Flyer_Repair_Guide.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71874	From: robertgromen	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: LCCA Red Carpet Event

> I attended the Lionel Collectors Club of America (LCCA) Red Carpet event this past Saturday and was very pleasantly surprised. The price of admission was an LCCA year membership of $35 with all club benefits for a year, which I thought was quite reasonable. The new Lionel facility is located at 6301 Performance Drive in Concord, NC, next to the south end of Charlotte (Lowe's) Motor Speedway just off of U.S. 29. > > Joe Haenn > JOE, thanks so much for that detailed story, I wanted to go but already had a commitment for that date. Ugh! Appreciate knowing what went on. Sad to say, that is about a 10 hour drive for me and would have had to stay overnight. But them I think it would have been just as good as York, for me. Sorry, I missed all the good deals, oh well. Thanks again!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71875	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout

Tim, The only question is which Hall of Science layout? There were at least 4, but I assume you mean the 2nd floor sales layout. I have a link to some photos of a track plan of its 1953 incarnation on the displays webpage, but here it is in case you want to look at it. The photos reside on myflyertrains.org. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album56 There is some dispute as to the exact size of that layout. I think most agree that its maximum width at bumpouts was about 11 feet. What is subject to some conjecture is its length. The building was about 95 feet wide, which you can compute from current google maps. The only question is whether the layout took up most of the length of the building. Official Gilbert publications, (Gilbert News article) list it at 80 feet and the track plan on the above link says it is 80 feet long and the squareson it number 80 in length. I have figured that the squares should be about one square foot, based on the amount of space taken by the over under figure 8 at the left end. I tend to think it was 80 feet longbased what I consider the best evidence. As to the other camp, they are going from the perspective of the photosof the layout,which are on the displays website and estimate it as being from 40 to 60 feet long. Anyway, you would need a big basement to duplicate it. Dale On 3/29/2013 4:50 AM, Timboy wrote: > > Thanks once again to everyone for all the nice comments. I confess > that I had ambivalence about this build. All winter long, I had a > strong feeling that this would be my last Flyer layout. If this is > true, then it's only fitting that I end with a version of a classic > Gilbert display layout that has stood the test of time. > > I was tempted to do an updated version of the Hall of Science layout, > but I viewed that build as a two-year project and I couldn't talk > myself into it. That and I didn't want to devote any more space than > what I did for the Sibley, due to other hobbies begging for equal > resources. > > So, this layout will stay. I'll have fun running it for hopefully, a > long time! > > Hmmmmmm, where did I put that Hall of Science track plan... > > -Tim > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > > > Well done. Again. You have torn down and put more layouts in 2 years > than I will in 3 lifetimes, but I enjoy watching your progress and > final results every time. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy. At least for 3 > days, and then get on with your next one. > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote: > > > > > > It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog about it > and see the final video: > > > > > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71876	From: jshannon148	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Project Atlantic" concludes this month

Are there details available for the Spring S Spree? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The locomotive will appear at this year's Spring S Spree, along with a few other unique items on display and running on my somewhat "plain jane" layout. We love to talk to everyone, and Cindy has a spot to stay where she doesn't have to move around much. > > Cindy and I are very much looking forward to the Spree as medical and financial circumstances are forcing us to drastically limit our activities. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71877	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Working on the Farm - Photos

Hi All, I've posted a couple of photos of the chicken coop and pig pen Tracie and I added to the layout. You can see them starting here: http://tinyurl.com/BG1farm Have fun! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71878	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Breenberg's AF Pocket Price Guide

My point exactly, Bob. TM set the standard for rarity and price guides with that last issue, especially with Andy Jugle’s input on paper issued by the factory, left to him by his brother Pete Jugle. In fact, I spoke with Andy regarding some paper that I had that wasn’t in the book and he verified its authenticity. Actually, I would prefer that Greenberg acquiesced to TM, letting TM take the reigns on the guide books. Like I said, that last TM guide blew Greenberg’s guide right out of the water. Oh, wait. I forgot, Bob. You wrote the book. ;) Bruce DeGailler, Sr. From: rbubeck327@... Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:27 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Breenberg's AF Pocket Price Guide Al, Kalmbach plans to do an AF guide every other year in the future. The next one would be for 2015 due to arrive in the fall of 2014. Of course, one could always purchase an infinitely better and much more complete 2012 TM guide. ;-)) Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/29/2013 6:21:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com writes: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by: _"Al Baker" alhbaker _ (mailto:mailto:albaker33%40comcast.net?subject=Re:%20Greenbergs%20AF%20Pocket%20Price%20Guide) Does anybody know when the 2014 edition will become available? Thanks, Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71879	From: David	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: LADDER MATERIAL (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71880	From: Timboy	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout

Dale, Thanks for the info! Wife & I have plans to contract for an excavation done in our back yard and our basement wall moved out to accommodate my future tribute to The Hall of Science layout in all it's glory. Let's see. Where did I put that winning lottery ticket... :) :) :) :) -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote: > > Tim, > > The only question is which Hall of Science layout? There were at least > 4, but I assume you mean the 2nd floor sales layout. I have a link to > some photos of a track plan of its 1953 incarnation on the displays > webpage, but here it is in case you want to look at it. The photos > reside on myflyertrains.org. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album56 > > There is some dispute as to the exact size of that layout. I think > most agree that its maximum width at bumpouts was about 11 feet. What > is subject to some conjecture is its length. The building was about 95 > feet wide, which you can compute from current google maps. The only > question is whether the layout took up most of the length of the > building. Official Gilbert publications, (Gilbert News article) list > it at 80 feet and the track plan on the above link says it is 80 feet > long and the squareson it number 80 in length. I have figured that the > squares should be about one square foot, based on the amount of space > taken by the over under figure 8 at the left end. I tend to think it was > 80 feet longbased what I consider the best evidence. > > As to the other camp, they are going from the perspective of the > photosof the layout,which are on the displays website and estimate it as > being from 40 to 60 feet long. > > Anyway, you would need a big basement to duplicate it. > > Dale > > > On 3/29/2013 4:50 AM, Timboy wrote: > > > > Thanks once again to everyone for all the nice comments. I confess > > that I had ambivalence about this build. All winter long, I had a > > strong feeling that this would be my last Flyer layout. If this is > > true, then it's only fitting that I end with a version of a classic > > Gilbert display layout that has stood the test of time. > > > > I was tempted to do an updated version of the Hall of Science layout, > > but I viewed that build as a two-year project and I couldn't talk > > myself into it. That and I didn't want to devote any more space than > > what I did for the Sibley, due to other hobbies begging for equal > > resources. > > > > So, this layout will stay. I'll have fun running it for hopefully, a > > long time! > > > > Hmmmmmm, where did I put that Hall of Science track plan... > > > > -Tim > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@> wrote: > > > > > > Well done. Again. You have torn down and put more layouts in 2 years > > than I will in 3 lifetimes, but I enjoy watching your progress and > > final results every time. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy. At least for 3 > > days, and then get on with your next one. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog about it > > and see the final video: > > > > > > > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71881	From: Al Baker	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Greenberg's AF Pocket Price Guide

First, thank you all for your replies. Apparently I will have to wait until 2015 for a new Greenberg's edition. But... Maybe I have been living a sheltered life, or maybe it is one of those senior - ah, whatever you call them. But I can't recall having heard about this TM price guide? Would someone please either educate me, or re-educate me about that? Thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71882	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one half long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. Any input welcome, Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71883	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Greenberg's AF Pocket Price Guide

Al, Bob (who wrote the TM book) could probably tell you better than I, but let me take a stab at this. You can order the 2012 Edition of the TM Illustrated Price and Rarity Guide from the TM Books and Videos website or via Amazon.com, your choice. The price is a nominal $14.99, similar to Greenberg’s Guide, but far superior in that it provides a wealth of information, including an expanded and detailed section on Gilbert paper, authored by Andy Jugle, Pete Jugle’s brother. Pete was considered the “Master of Gilbert Paper”, having amassed a huge amount of original and obscure paper released by Gilbert in “D”, “M”, and other forms. They are reflected in the TM Guide. Additionally, there is an expanded section on sets, and dealer kits are included within the accessories section. Everything is broken down by category. In addition, an expanded “Flyonel” section exists, covering all Lionel AF from its inception in 1979 to present. Finally, TM offers information regarding the up or down trends in value for individual pieces. This guide is FAR superior to anything Greenberg has released, other than their large hard and soft cover illustrated books from the past, which are no longer in print, and even they didn’t contain the information provided by the TM guide. If you don’t pick this guide up, you are definitely missing the boat. Hope this helps, Al. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. From: Al Baker Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 12:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Greenberg's AF Pocket Price Guide First, thank you all for your replies. Apparently I will have to wait until 2015 for a new Greenberg's edition. But... Maybe I have been living a sheltered life, or maybe it is one of those senior - ah, whatever you call them. But I can't recall having heard about this TM price guide? Would someone please either educate me, or re-educate me about that? Thanks, Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71884	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Spring S Spree info

For all the info on the upcoming Spree and a short video go to the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association website at: http://www.cvsga.com/ I'll have a small layout there and have been asked to do a "clinic/discussion" for bashing and building as I did last year. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71885	From: Jerry	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: LADDER MATERIAL (Advertisement)

Are you planning on attending the S Spree in Akron in May? It would be great to see the projects first hand and maybe purchase a few! Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote: > > > Thanks to Alan at FICUS PRODUCTS in Hamilton, OH we can now offer "S" > ladder material for your next project. Just right for that tender you > wanted to put the finishing touch on. > > This material comes in only one size: .277" wide x 6.0" long. The inside > measure ment is .208" square. Made from mild stain less steel it is very > easy to cut and trim. > > This new item is at our web site at > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html > <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> > > and may be purchased for $6.00 per piece which includes FREE SHIPPING > in CONUS. > > Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. > > Dave at LBR Enterprises,llc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71886	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Looking for suggestions

I am putting together the boards for the track and tried putting foam siding as a underlayment to deaden the sound, but the glue melted everything, thought that using foam with a alum. film on one side wouldprotect it, but that was a no go. I want to keep weight down as much as possible so I can redo it with double sided carpet tape and buy the foam again. Has anyone tried using carpet underlayment??? Would this work long term. are suggestions for something else. On top will be putting indoor outdoor grass carpet and stapling it to the wood, wanted to keep the wooden sound out as the train goes over it, any other suggestions, and concern is the weight problem so I can move it are stack it if it ever becomes necessary, looking for suggestions. Will be covering two 4x8 panels and one 4x6 put on top of plasticfold up tables, cheeper than just buying the legs will hold them together with C=clamps have 2x4s going around the edges to keep them from warping. This is being put together in a two car garage reason I may some day have to move it and why I want to keep weight and construction to a min. Tks VM James Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71887	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout

Tim, Don't laugh too hard. One of my website contributors, who may be producing a photo book on the Hall of Science, had his basement designed to accommodate a reproduction of the large 1st floor layout, complete with porthole windows, though it hasn't been built yet. Dale On 3/29/2013 12:23 PM, Timboy wrote: > > Dale, > > Thanks for the info! Wife & I have plans to contract for an excavation > done in our back yard and our basement wall moved out to accommodate > my future tribute to The Hall of Science layout in all it's glory. > Let's see. Where did I put that winning lottery ticket... :) :) :) :) > > -Tim > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote: > > > > Tim, > > > > The only question is which Hall of Science layout? There were at least > > 4, but I assume you mean the 2nd floor sales layout. I have a link to > > some photos of a track plan of its 1953 incarnation on the displays > > webpage, but here it is in case you want to look at it. The photos > > reside on myflyertrains.org. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album56 > > > > There is some dispute as to the exact size of that layout. I think > > most agree that its maximum width at bumpouts was about 11 feet. What > > is subject to some conjecture is its length. The building was about 95 > > feet wide, which you can compute from current google maps. The only > > question is whether the layout took up most of the length of the > > building. Official Gilbert publications, (Gilbert News article) list > > it at 80 feet and the track plan on the above link says it is 80 feet > > long and the squareson it number 80 in length. I have figured that the > > squares should be about one square foot, based on the amount of space > > taken by the over under figure 8 at the left end. I tend to think it > was > > 80 feet longbased what I consider the best evidence. > > > > As to the other camp, they are going from the perspective of the > > photosof the layout,which are on the displays website and estimate > it as > > being from 40 to 60 feet long. > > > > Anyway, you would need a big basement to duplicate it. > > > > Dale > > > > > > On 3/29/2013 4:50 AM, Timboy wrote: > > > > > > Thanks once again to everyone for all the nice comments. I confess > > > that I had ambivalence about this build. All winter long, I had a > > > strong feeling that this would be my last Flyer layout. If this is > > > true, then it's only fitting that I end with a version of a classic > > > Gilbert display layout that has stood the test of time. > > > > > > I was tempted to do an updated version of the Hall of Science layout, > > > but I viewed that build as a two-year project and I couldn't talk > > > myself into it. That and I didn't want to devote any more space than > > > what I did for the Sibley, due to other hobbies begging for equal > > > resources. > > > > > > So, this layout will stay. I'll have fun running it for hopefully, a > > > long time! > > > > > > Hmmmmmm, where did I put that Hall of Science track plan... > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well done. Again. You have torn down and put more layouts in 2 > years > > > than I will in 3 lifetimes, but I enjoy watching your progress and > > > final results every time. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy. At least for 3 > > > days, and then get on with your next one. > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog > about it > > > and see the final video: > > > > > > > > > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71888	From: Timboy	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout

Dale, Ha! Yes, there are those stories of houses built over top of train rooms. And then there is that sci-fi B movie, "The Incredible Shrinking Basement" or it's slightly updated version, "Honey, I Shrunk The Basement". I imagine we could come up with a list of them! Let's see... "It's A Wonderful Trainroom", "Singing In The Trainroom", "2001: A Trainroom Odyssey"... :) :) :) :) Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote: > > Tim, > > Don't laugh too hard. One of my website contributors, who may be > producing a photo book on the Hall of Science, had his basement designed > to accommodate a reproduction of the large 1st floor layout, complete > with porthole windows, though it hasn't been built yet. > > Dale > On 3/29/2013 12:23 PM, Timboy wrote: > > > > Dale, > > > > Thanks for the info! Wife & I have plans to contract for an excavation > > done in our back yard and our basement wall moved out to accommodate > > my future tribute to The Hall of Science layout in all it's glory. > > Let's see. Where did I put that winning lottery ticket... :) :) :) :) > > > > -Tim > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Dale Smith <dalefsmith@> wrote: > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > The only question is which Hall of Science layout? There were at least > > > 4, but I assume you mean the 2nd floor sales layout. I have a link to > > > some photos of a track plan of its 1953 incarnation on the displays > > > webpage, but here it is in case you want to look at it. The photos > > > reside on myflyertrains.org. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album56 > > > > > > There is some dispute as to the exact size of that layout. I think > > > most agree that its maximum width at bumpouts was about 11 feet. What > > > is subject to some conjecture is its length. The building was about 95 > > > feet wide, which you can compute from current google maps. The only > > > question is whether the layout took up most of the length of the > > > building. Official Gilbert publications, (Gilbert News article) list > > > it at 80 feet and the track plan on the above link says it is 80 feet > > > long and the squareson it number 80 in length. I have figured that the > > > squares should be about one square foot, based on the amount of space > > > taken by the over under figure 8 at the left end. I tend to think it > > was > > > 80 feet longbased what I consider the best evidence. > > > > > > As to the other camp, they are going from the perspective of the > > > photosof the layout,which are on the displays website and estimate > > it as > > > being from 40 to 60 feet long. > > > > > > Anyway, you would need a big basement to duplicate it. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > On 3/29/2013 4:50 AM, Timboy wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks once again to everyone for all the nice comments. I confess > > > > that I had ambivalence about this build. All winter long, I had a > > > > strong feeling that this would be my last Flyer layout. If this is > > > > true, then it's only fitting that I end with a version of a classic > > > > Gilbert display layout that has stood the test of time. > > > > > > > > I was tempted to do an updated version of the Hall of Science layout, > > > > but I viewed that build as a two-year project and I couldn't talk > > > > myself into it. That and I didn't want to devote any more space than > > > > what I did for the Sibley, due to other hobbies begging for equal > > > > resources. > > > > > > > > So, this layout will stay. I'll have fun running it for hopefully, a > > > > long time! > > > > > > > > Hmmmmmm, where did I put that Hall of Science track plan... > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well done. Again. You have torn down and put more layouts in 2 > > years > > > > than I will in 3 lifetimes, but I enjoy watching your progress and > > > > final results every time. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy. At least for 3 > > > > days, and then get on with your next one. > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog > > about it > > > > and see the final video: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71889	From: racin510	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions

Hi James, I'll volunteer to speak for the "carpet crowd" as I may be the only one running on carpet here. Yes you can and yes the carpet it makes for very tolerable train noise. It does take a while for the ties to settle into the carpet; once done track stability is good. Few screws or nails required. I do run on traditional ACG track and I am not a land scaper. Rick --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > I am putting together the boards for the track and tried putting foam siding as > a underlayment to deaden the sound, but the glue melted everything, thought that > using foam with a alum. film on one side wouldprotect it, but that was a no go. > I want to keep weight down as much as possible so I can redo it with double > sided carpet tape and buy the foam again. > > Has anyone tried using carpet underlayment??? Would this work long term. are > suggestions for something else. > > On top will be putting indoor outdoor grass carpet and stapling it to the wood, > wanted to keep the wooden sound out as the train goes over it, any other > suggestions, and concern is the weight problem so I can move it are stack it if > it ever becomes necessary, looking for suggestions. > > Will be covering two 4x8 panels and one 4x6 put on top of plasticfold up tables, > cheeper than just buying the legs will hold them together with C=clamps have > 2x4s going around the edges to keep them from warping. > > > This is being put together in a two car garage reason I may some day have to > move it and why I want to keep weight and construction to a min. > > > Tks VM > > James Davidson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71890	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Greenbergs AF Pocket Price Guide

<<<thought Greenberg decided to only do the AF Guide every other year and do the Marx guides between years.>>> That's correct.....at least that's the word from Kalmbach. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71891	From: John Metzger	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions

With stirofoam use elmer's glue. Indoor/outdoor carpet has been used. Carpet pad materal has been used. Homasode materal has been used. Most materal can be painted. Hope this helps. John Metzger from Troy, Missouri From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for suggestions   I am putting together the boards for the track and tried putting foam siding as a underlayment to deaden the sound, but the glue melted everything, thought that using foam with a alum. film on one side wouldprotect it, but that was a no go. I want to keep weight down as much as possible so I can redo it with double sided carpet tape and buy the foam again. Has anyone tried using carpet underlayment??? Would this work long term. are suggestions for something else. On top will be putting indoor outdoor grass carpet and stapling it to the wood, wanted to keep the wooden sound out as the train goes over it, any other suggestions, and concern is the weight problem so I can move it are stack it if it ever becomes necessary, looking for suggestions. Will be covering two 4x8 panels and one 4x6 put on top of plasticfold up tables, cheeper than just buying the legs will hold them together with C=clamps have 2x4s going around the edges to keep them from warping. This is being put together in a two car garage reason I may some day have to move it and why I want to keep weight and construction to a min. Tks VM James Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71892	From: snstrains	Date: 3/29/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions

Get some sill seal foam and use liquid nails to glue it down. Works great. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 03/29/2013 6:07:59 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jad01@... writes: I am putting together the boards for the track and tried putting foam siding as a underlayment to deaden the sound, but the glue melted everything, thought that using foam with a alum. film on one side wouldprotect it, but that was a no go. I want to keep weight down as much as possible so I can redo it with double sided carpet tape and buy the foam again. Has anyone tried using carpet underlayment??? Would this work long term. are suggestions for something else. On top will be putting indoor outdoor grass carpet and stapling it to the wood, wanted to keep the wooden sound out as the train goes over it, any other suggestions, and concern is the weight problem so I can move it are stack it if it ever becomes necessary, looking for suggestions. Will be covering two 4x8 panels and one 4x6 put on top of plasticfold up tables, cheeper than just buying the legs will hold them together with C=clamps have 2x4s going around the edges to keep them from warping. This is being put together in a two car garage reason I may some day have to move it and why I want to keep weight and construction to a min. Tks VM James Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71893	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Looking for suggestions

I'm not sure if I understand correctly what you're trying to do. I take it that you're starting with plastic folding tables, mounting plywood to them, then Styrofoam, then carpet? The plastic folding tables are fine and getting to be "standard issue" everywhere for train shows, and other such events. Good start. They're strong, light, and have legs built in. Plywood is heavier than wood only because of all the glue between each venier of wood. You pay a penalty in weight and sound resonates well through it. I have used 2" thick extruded Styrofoam for 12 years without any wood backing for numerous portable layouts and it is remarkably durable for that use. True, you can't throw it around like 1/2" plywood, but with scenery and track on it, why would you? It weighs about 1/5 of the same size 1/2" plywood. I carry it to the train shows and place it on their plastic folding tables and it's fine. Using foam, you attach everything with NON-SOLVENT glues. Elmer's and silicone based adhesives work very well. Paint it green and that's as light weight as you can be. I have seen layouts with fine weave indoor/outdoor carpeting and they work fine for sound deadening, but the carpey itself is heavy. How about a couple of layers of green felt or velvet? Lighter and cheaper than carpet. You might add a roll of rubber door and window weather seal directly under the track like roadbed for extra sound deadening. Just remember that most of the time light weight and sound deadening are two concepts that are at odds with each other. Every layer of sound deadening material you add also adds weight. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71894	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: LADDER MATERIAL (Advertisement)

Jerry,      Sorry, no we can't attend do to prior commitments. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc    --- On Fri, 3/29/13, Jerry <poniaj@...> wrote: From: Jerry <poniaj@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LADDER MATERIAL (Advertisement) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 29, 2013, 6:34 PM   Are you planning on attending the S Spree in Akron in May? It would be great to see the projects first hand and maybe purchase a few! Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote: > > > Thanks to Alan at FICUS PRODUCTS in Hamilton, OH we can now offer "S" > ladder material for your next project. Just right for that tender you > wanted to put the finishing touch on. > > This material comes in only one size: .277" wide x 6.0" long. The inside > measure ment is .208" square. Made from mild stain less steel it is very > easy to cut and trim. > > This new item is at our web site at > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html > <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> > > and may be purchased for $6.00 per piece which includes FREE SHIPPING > in CONUS. > > Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. > > Dave at LBR Enterprises,llc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71895	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: pig pen and chicken coop

Stumpy, An excellent addition to any layout but really something for people to be able to peruse at a train show, great job. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71896	From: Herbert	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout

Dale, That project has been in the works for probably a decade. I hope to see it in my lifetime, but the probability fades with each passing year(grin). I remember visiting Reggie Karnes in Victor,NY a couple of decades and he had a whole building dedicated to his collection, and layout. Massive collection. Spent the whole weekend there. Beautiful property with a brook e running through it and a small foot bridge for crossing it. Very nice man. Took very good care of his wife, who had been brain damaged in an accident. Built his house primarily out of stone, because A.C. Gilbert had told him that stone lasts forever. BTW, Maraldene was built primarily of stoen. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote: > > Tim, > > Don't laugh too hard. One of my website contributors, who may be > producing a photo book on the Hall of Science, had his basement designed > to accommodate a reproduction of the large 1st floor layout, complete > with porthole windows, though it hasn't been built yet. > > Dale > On 3/29/2013 12:23 PM, Timboy wrote: > > > > Dale, > > > > Thanks for the info! Wife & I have plans to contract for an excavation > > done in our back yard and our basement wall moved out to accommodate > > my future tribute to The Hall of Science layout in all it's glory. > > Let's see. Where did I put that winning lottery ticket... :) :) :) :) > > > > -Tim > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Dale Smith dalefsmith@ wrote: > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > The only question is which Hall of Science layout? There were at least > > > 4, but I assume you mean the 2nd floor sales layout. I have a link to > > > some photos of a track plan of its 1953 incarnation on the displays > > > webpage, but here it is in case you want to look at it. The photos > > > reside on myflyertrains.org. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album56 > > > > > > There is some dispute as to the exact size of that layout. I think > > > most agree that its maximum width at bumpouts was about 11 feet. What > > > is subject to some conjecture is its length. The building was about 95 > > > feet wide, which you can compute from current google maps. The only > > > question is whether the layout took up most of the length of the > > > building. Official Gilbert publications, (Gilbert News article) list > > > it at 80 feet and the track plan on the above link says it is 80 feet > > > long and the squareson it number 80 in length. I have figured that the > > > squares should be about one square foot, based on the amount of space > > > taken by the over under figure 8 at the left end. I tend to think it > > was > > > 80 feet longbased what I consider the best evidence. > > > > > > As to the other camp, they are going from the perspective of the > > > photosof the layout,which are on the displays website and estimate > > it as > > > being from 40 to 60 feet long. > > > > > > Anyway, you would need a big basement to duplicate it. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > > On 3/29/2013 4:50 AM, Timboy wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks once again to everyone for all the nice comments. I confess > > > > that I had ambivalence about this build. All winter long, I had a > > > > strong feeling that this would be my last Flyer layout. If this is > > > > true, then it's only fitting that I end with a version of a classic > > > > Gilbert display layout that has stood the test of time. > > > > > > > > I was tempted to do an updated version of the Hall of Science layout, > > > > but I viewed that build as a two-year project and I couldn't talk > > > > myself into it. That and I didn't want to devote any more space than > > > > what I did for the Sibley, due to other hobbies begging for equal > > > > resources. > > > > > > > > So, this layout will stay. I'll have fun running it for hopefully, a > > > > long time! > > > > > > > > Hmmmmmm, where did I put that Hall of Science track plan... > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well done. Again. You have torn down and put more layouts in 2 > > years > > > > than I will in 3 lifetimes, but I enjoy watching your progress and > > > > final results every time. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy. At least for 3 > > > > days, and then get on with your next one. > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all finished and running! Feel free to visit my blog > > about it > > > > and see the final video: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71897	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: pig pen and chicken coop

Excellent. Where did you find appropriately sized livestock? Ben Colley (modeling agricultural Missouri.) From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Puls Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:05 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] pig pen and chicken coop Stumpy, An excellent addition to any layout but really something for people to be able to peruse at a train show, great job. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71898	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: underlayment

Yes I use jute ? (spelling ) carpet pad cut to a width of 3" for AF "S" & 4" for "O". The trains run very quietly. Track has been in place 30 years +/- Clip a small triangular in the jute at the curves. I use nails very sparingly, 1 per tie +/- and not driven down tight, so the track moves a ;little Caution at accessories that require the car height for operation, such as the cattle loader. also I have seen rubber underlayment. JERRY TCA HR 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5156e9e99860669e954f8st01duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71899	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions

I'm also using carpet.. http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/bungalow_on_layout.JPG http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/signalbridge1.jpg You could also try making scenery "plots" using masonite bases.  You can build them at a table or workbench and set them on the layout. Remove them from the layout for cleaning or if the layout is moved.  Masonite also works well for buildings or residential blocks, you can paint the yards (or use ground foam), paint a sidewalk around the edges. If you use a thinner material for the street the thicker masonite provides a curb.  I'm getting ready to build a couple of plots for my current layout, I just can't find any photos of them from the old layout :-( Brady   ________________________________ From: racin510 <racin510@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for suggestions   Hi James, I'll volunteer to speak for the "carpet crowd" as I may be the only one running on carpet here. Yes you can and yes the carpet it makes for very tolerable train noise. It does take a while for the ties to settle into the carpet; once done track stability is good. Few screws or nails required. I do run on traditional ACG track and I am not a land scaper. Rick --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > I am putting together the boards for the track and tried putting foam siding as > a underlayment to deaden the sound, but the glue melted everything, thought that > using foam with a alum. film on one side wouldprotect it, but that was a no go. > I want to keep weight down as much as possible so I can redo it with double > sided carpet tape and buy the foam again. > > Has anyone tried using carpet underlayment??? Would this work long term. are > suggestions for something else. > > On top will be putting indoor outdoor grass carpet and stapling it to the wood, > wanted to keep the wooden sound out as the train goes over it, any other > suggestions, and concern is the weight problem so I can move it are stack it if > it ever becomes necessary, looking for suggestions. > > Will be covering two 4x8 panels and one 4x6 put on top of plasticfold up tables, > cheeper than just buying the legs will hold them together with C=clamps have > 2x4s going around the edges to keep them from warping. > > > This is being put together in a two car garage reason I may some day have to > move it and why I want to keep weight and construction to a min. > > > Tks VM > > James Davidson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71900	From: Brady	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)

My thanks to Tom Barker for making his guide available again. I'm using an app called EZ PDF Reader Pro to view the digital version on my Kindle Fire. This is the app that Model Railroad Hobbyist recommends for reading their magazine and it works well. It costs a couple of bucks and will even read to you, although the voice is a little mechanical. Some may balk at electronic formats, but sitting here in the recliner with the dogs (one of whom is a Flyer fan) a tablet is much easier to read than a larger format hardcopy book, and it takes up less space on the workbench. Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71901	From: Steven Allen	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: underlayment

Jerry, That's interesting. Did you ballast the track? If not, wouldn't you be concerned about the jute fibers getting into the gears/motors etc? Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > > Yes I use jute ? (spelling ) carpet pad cut to a width of 3" for > AF "S" & 4" for "O". The trains run very quietly. Track has been in > place 30 years +/- Clip a small triangular in the jute at the curves. > I use nails very sparingly, 1 per tie +/- and not driven down tight, so > the track moves a ;little Caution at accessories that require the car > height for operation, such as the cattle loader. also I have seen rubber > underlayment. > > JERRY > TCA HR 77-11644 > ____________________________________________________________ > How to Sleep Like a Rock > Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5156e9e99860669e954f8st01duc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71902	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the correct dimensions. If anyone has the ertl figures to measure, I think they may be correct. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one half > long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. Any input welcome, > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71903	From: traindavid	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: Ths Sibley Tribute: Conclusion - Hall of Science Layout

And don't forget that classic horror flick, "IT Came From the Trainroom!!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71904	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: pig pen and chicken coop

Ben, Some of the animals are from a Mini-Wheels Farm and Construction Set I found at Big Lots several years ago. It was advertised as 1/72 scale so they look pretty close to the right size. The pigs, pen, most chickens and the farm hands are from the ERTL farm county series from quite a few years ago. You can still find these on eBay. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben E. Colley" <bencolley@...> wrote: > > Excellent. Where did you find appropriately sized livestock? > > > > Ben Colley (modeling agricultural Missouri.) > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Ray Puls > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:05 AM > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] pig pen and chicken coop > > > > > > Stumpy, > An excellent addition to any layout but really something for people to be > able to peruse at a train show, great job. > Ray > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71905	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: pig pen and chicken coop

Ray, I'll take being mistaken for Stumpy as a compliment. I don't remember anyone having mistaken one of us for the other before. I guess Stumpy could be my brother from another mother because we do have a lot of common interests. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> wrote: > > Stumpy, > An excellent addition to any layout but really something for people to be able to peruse at a train show, great job. > Ray > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71906	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

ertl toys are close to1/64 but on big side === 00 is on the small side of 1/64 and close to to ho size but bigger then ho  some oo are too small for 1/64 ====    hobby lobby has army men that  are close to 1/64  about same size as ertl look by the kits they sell.   100 men for $15  -----Original Message----- From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 3:29 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SCALE??   That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the correct dimensions. If anyone has the ertl figures to measure, I think they may be correct. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one half > long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. Any input welcome, > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71907	From: snstrains	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

Ertl cows are slightly over an inch at the top of the head. Steve SnS Trins In a message dated 3/30/2013 2:29:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, beachy3929@... writes: That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the correct dimensions. If anyone has the ertl figures to measure, I think they may be correct. Wayne --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , anormal1@... wrote: > > I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one half > long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. Any input welcome, > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71908	From: mike	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: S-N-S motor diode

I have an order S-N-S replacement motor but did not get the Diode for it when I purchased it. Can anyone let me know what size diode bridge I could get at Radio Shack so I could use the motor? Thanks in advance for the help. Thank You Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71909	From: Lon Walker	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)

OK Brady,you can't just throw that out there without some explanation. What do you mean one of your dogs is a Flyer fan and how does he or she demonstrate this admirable proclivity? More importantly, why doesn't the other one share the interest.? Inquiring minds want to know.  Oh yes, thank you Mr Barker from me also.   Lon >________________________________ > From: Brady <bradyburdge@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:56 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide) > > >  >My thanks to Tom Barker for making his guide available again. > >I'm using an app called EZ PDF Reader Pro to view the digital version on my Kindle Fire. This is the app that Model Railroad Hobbyist recommends for reading their magazine and it works well. It costs a couple of bucks and will even read to you, although the voice is a little mechanical. > >Some may balk at electronic formats, but sitting here in the recliner with the dogs (one of whom is a Flyer fan) a tablet is much easier to read than a larger format hardcopy book, and it takes up less space on the workbench. > >Brady > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71910	From: Steven Allen	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

Scaled out, that height would be about 8 ft tall, which is too tall in my opinion for "S". There are cows, horses, and I think pigs that are available from time to time on eBay that were manufactured by Ertl which are supposed to be 1/64th. I originally used HO scale on my layout, but got rid of them as soon as I picked up a pack of S scale cows which were about an inch tall (no taller than the tallest S Scale Arttista figure I have on my layout). Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > > That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the correct dimensions. If anyone has the ertl figures to measure, I think they may be correct. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@ wrote: > > > > I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one half > > long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. Any input welcome, > > > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > > Michael Strickland > > 211 Summit Ave > > Medford, Ore > > 97501 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71911	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/31/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71912	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

Thank you all, Mike In a message dated 3/30/2013 4:27:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, allens1017@... writes: Scaled out, that height would be about 8 ft tall, which is too tall in my opinion for "S". There are cows, horses, and I think pigs that are available from time to time on eBay that were manufactured by Ertl which are supposed to be 1/64th. I originally used HO scale on my layout, but got rid of them as soon as I picked up a pack of S scale cows which were about an inch tall (no taller than the tallest S Scale Arttista figure I have on my layout). Steven Allen --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > > That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the correct dimensions. If anyone has the ertl figures to measure, I think they may be correct. > > Wayne > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , anormal1@ wrote: > > > > I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one half > > long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. Any input welcome, > > > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > > Michael Strickland > > 211 Summit Ave > > Medford, Ore > > 97501 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71913	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

64X 1 inch = 64 inches - 5 foot 4 which should be very close. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: SCALE??   Ertl cows are slightly over an inch at the top of the head. Steve SnS Trins In a message dated 3/30/2013 2:29:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, beachy3929@... [1] writes: That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the correct dimensions. If anyone has the ertl figures to measure, I think they may be correct. Wayne --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2]_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroupscom [3]) , anormal1@... wrote: > > I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one half > long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. Any input welcome, > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ___,_.___ Reply via web post [4] Reply to sender [5] Reply to group [6] Start a New Topic [7] Messages in this topic [8] (4) Recent Activity: * New Members [9] 1 * New Photos [10] 33 * New Links [11] 1 Visit Your Group [12] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [13] [14] Switch to: Text-Only [15], Daily Digest [16] • Unsubscribe [17] • Terms of Use [18] • Send us Feedback [19] . ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:beachy3929%40comcast.net [2] mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJva3NmYXQwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTkwNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjQ2ODYwNTM-?act=reply&messageNum=71907 [5] mailto:Boss31@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20SCALE%3F%3F [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20SCALE%3F%3F [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNnU2NnZyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQ2ODYwNTM- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71882;_ylc=X3oDMTM0b2RrYWZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTkwNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQ2ODYwNTMEdHBjSWQDNzE4ODI- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkb292dnZxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY0Njg2MDUz?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZzZxdDYxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY0Njg2MDUz [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJldTFycHZhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDY4NjA1Mw-- [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY2RhdGFrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQ2ODYwNTM- [13] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaWFxZ3BuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDY4NjA1Mw-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [19] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroupscom?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71914	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: What is this?

I found this in my stuff and don't have any instructions. I believe it is from SHS and that it goes with my SHS SW-9 since it says SW-9 on it. Anybody know what the 3 pieces are? http://home.comcast.net/~imsscott/shs1.jpg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71915	From: Eric	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: S Trains for sale

I purchased a large S train Estate I intend to sell some of the parts. 11 engines: All are hyrail, am dummy type couplers and in original boxes with foam. I believe all are AC powered. I believe they all run and will test any that there is interest in. Also I will check for any defects before final agreement. 1. AM SD60 Conrail 5610 $165 2. AM SD60 CSX 8759 $165 3. AM SD60 CSX 8701 $165 4. AM SD60 GATX silver/blue 855 Repaint? $165 5. AM SD60 Montana Rail Link Repaint $140 6. AM Amtrak F40 Powered $100 7. AM Amtrak f40 non powered $ 85 8. AM RS3 BN repaint $100 9. AM GP35 ? with widecab from SD60? BN $75 10. AM Baldwin BN repaint $75 11. Baldwin shell BN with sheet metal base and trucks not powered. $35 12. Amtrak set in original box with foam F40 with 4 cars, no track. $175 13. 7 other Amtrak cars 1 coach/baggage, 3 coach and 2 diner plus 2 boxcars. $30 each or $25 in Quantity. Make me an offer, I can take pictures and test engines but it may take a day or so. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa 98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71916	From: snstrains	Date: 3/30/2013
Subject: Re: S-N-S motor diode

3-4 amp is more than adequate. In a message dated 3/30/2013 5:27:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, tamerlane_46@... writes: I have an order S-N-S replacement motor but did not get the Diode for it when I purchased it. Can anyone let me know what size diode bridge I could get at Radio Shack so I could use the motor? Thanks in advance for the help. Thank You Mike Gardner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71917	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)

Brady, I know how to put a pdf into an iPad, but how do you connect a Kindle to your computer to put the pdf so it can show up on the Kindle in the "EZ PDF Reader?" I have been working on putting the AF Repair Guide into Kindle format, but the figures and photos do not stay in place in that format. The pdf retains the same format. My wife has a Kindle. Thanks. Tom Barker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71918	From: Lon Walker	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)

Hi Tom, I have an older copy of your book and also recently bought the new one from amazon. I also wrote a review of it for amazon.  Is the download only for Ipads?  I use an Apple computer and would like to have it on the computer. Is that possible?  Thanks.  Lon Walker  >________________________________ > From: Thomas Barker <tbbeqa@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:17 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide) > > >  >Brady, > >I know how to put a pdf into an iPad, but how do you connect a Kindle to your computer to put the pdf so it can show up on the Kindle in the "EZ PDF Reader?" > >I have been working on putting the AF Repair Guide into Kindle format, but the figures and photos do not stay in place in that format. The pdf retains the same format. My wife has a Kindle. > >Thanks. > >Tom Barker > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71919	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: S-N-S motor diode

Are you trying to run on AC or DC? A little more information is needed. If DC then no diode is necessary. I just had Steve convert several diesels for me and am now converting 10 steam engines, all with the slow speed worms. Since I run on DC no diodes are needed. Of course with DC you don't need the reverse unit. Carey Probst Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/31/2013 12:38 AM, boss31@... wrote: > > 3-4 amp is more than adequate. > > > In a message dated 3/30/2013 5:27:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > tamerlane_46@... <mailto:tamerlane_46%40yahoo.com> writes: > > I have an order S-N-S replacement motor but did not get the Diode for it > when I purchased it. Can anyone let me know what size diode bridge I > could > get at Radio Shack so I could use the motor? Thanks in advance for the > help. > Thank You Mike Gardner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71920	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: (no subject)

Yes I ballast the track, using a product called "oil dry" it is just a light colored clay, held in place with ballast glue. Exposed fibers don't seam to be a problem. I do use Flyer rubber road bed on some sections of track, some sections of AF track, re-bent to a 24" & larger radius, require the Jute pad. The center track shown is a combination of rubber and Jute The track to the right of the retaining wall is Jute without ballast. Jerry TCA HR 77-11644. That's interesting. Did you ballast the track? If not, wouldn't you be concerned about the jute fibers getting into the gears/motors etc? Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > > Yes I use jute ? (spelling ) carpet pad cut to a width of 3" for > AF "S" & 4" for "O". The trains run very quietly. Track has been in > place 30 years +/- Clip a small triangular in the jute at the curves. > I use nails very sparingly, 1 per tie +/- and not driven down tight, so > the track moves a ;little Caution at accessories that require the car > height for operation, such as the cattle loader. also I have seen rubber > underlayment. > > JERRY > TCA HR 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51585be9d712e5be973d2st04duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71921	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/31/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 31, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71922	From: mike	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: S-N-S motor diode

I run old Gilbert on AC and will be using the motor in an Atlantic junker. I will probably stay with AC. Thanks for the reply and help. Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71923	From: pakrause5@att.net	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: S Trains for sale

Eric, I will purchase your Conrail SD60. Please email me at pakrause5@.... Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wireless™ -----Original message----- From: Eric <ericrhere@...> To: "s-scale@yahoogroups.com" <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S-trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>, AvailableSgauge <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Mar 31, 2013 04:27:50 GMT+00:00 Subject: [S-Trains] S Trains for sale I purchased a large S train Estate I intend to sell some of the parts. 11 engines: All are hyrail, am dummy type couplers and in original boxes with foam. I believe all are AC powered. I believe they all run and will test any that there is interest in. Also I will check for any defects before final agreement. 1. AM SD60 Conrail 5610 $165 2. AM SD60 CSX 8759 $165 3. AM SD60 CSX 8701 $165 4. AM SD60 GATX silver/blue 855 Repaint? $165 5. AM SD60 Montana Rail Link Repaint $140 6. AM Amtrak F40 Powered $100 7. AM Amtrak f40 non powered $ 85 8. AM RS3 BN repaint $100 9. AM GP35 ? with widecab from SD60? BN $75 10. AM Baldwin BN repaint $75 11. Baldwin shell BN with sheet metal base and trucks not powered. $35 12. Amtrak set in original box with foam F40 with 4 cars, no track. $175 13. 7 other Amtrak cars 1 coach/baggage, 3 coach and 2 diner plus 2 boxcars. $30 each or $25 in Quantity. Make me an offer, I can take pictures and test engines but it may take a day or so. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa 98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71924	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: pig pen and chicken coop

Yeah, if y'all saw Dave and I together, there'd be no mistake who was who? :-) I'd be the short fat guy. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71925	From: Steven Allen	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

I want to make a correction in my statement last night. I misread the post and took the length of 1 1/2" to be the height. In reality the height of 1" is slightly taller than 5ft, the length is the 8ft. I want to thank Jamie Bothwell for catching the error of my ways. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@...> wrote: > > > Scaled out, that height would be about 8 ft tall, which is too tall in my opinion for "S". There are cows, horses, and I think pigs that are available from time to time on eBay that were manufactured by Ertl which are supposed to be 1/64th. I originally used HO scale on my layout, but got rid of them as soon as I picked up a pack of S scale cows which were about an inch tall (no taller than the tallest S Scale Arttista figure I have on my layout). > > Steven Allen > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the correct dimensions. If anyone has the ertl figures to measure, I think they may be correct. > > > > Wayne > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@ wrote: > > > > > > I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one half > > > long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. Any input welcome, > > > > > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > > > Michael Strickland > > > 211 Summit Ave > > > Medford, Ore > > > 97501 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71926	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

And thank you to Alistair for correctly stating it as 5 foot four. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:43:14 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: SCALE??   I want to make a correction in my statement last night. I misread the post and took the length of 1 1/2" to be the height. In reality the height of 1" is slightly taller than 5ft, the length is the 8ft. I want to thank Jamie Bothwell for catching the error of my ways. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], "Steven Allen" wrote: > > > Scaled out, that height would be about 8 ft tall, which is too tall in my opinion for "S". There are cows, horses, and I think pigs that are available from time to time on eBay that were manufactured by Ertl which are supposed to be 1/64th. I originally used HO scale on my layout, but got rid of them as soon as I picked up a pack of S scale cows which were about an inch tall (no taller than the tallest S Scale Arttista figure I have on my layout). > > Steven Allen > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2], "rapidrail1" wrote: > > > > That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the correct dimensions. If anyone has the ertl figures to measure, I think they may be correct. > > > > Wayne > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3], anormal1@ wrote: > > > > > > I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one half > > > long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. Any input welcome, > > > > > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > > > Michael Strickland > > > 211 Summit Ave > > > Medford, Ore > > > 97501 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > @>@...> ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJva3Jqc2JqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTkyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjQ3NjMyMjA-?act=reply&messageNum=71925 [5] mailto:allens1017@...?subject=Re%3A%20SCALE%3F%3F [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20SCALE%3F%3F [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZmVra29pBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQ3NjMyMjA- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71882;_ylc=X3oDMTM0a3NwcmptBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTkyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQ3NjMyMjAEdHBjSWQDNzE4ODI- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaWpwZmI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY0NzYzMjIw?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMGFtNmNlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY0NzYzMjIw [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZG91c3Q4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDc2MzIyMA-- [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY28wNGpvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjQ3NjMyMjA- [13] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibHJqNG1iBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NDc2MzIyMA-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [19] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71927	From: calleytwo	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

Sorry my little cynical email was as a result of not only my comment being ignored but on another board at exactly the same time I was first to identify a Marx related identification question that somebody else was thanked for. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 01 Apr 2013 07:32:36 +1030 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: SCALE??   And thank you to Alistair for correctly stating it as 5 foot four. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1] To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:43:14 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: SCALE??   I want to make a correction in my statement last night. I misread the post and took the length of 1 1/2" to be the height. In reality the height of 1" is slightly taller than 5ft, the length is the 8ft. I want to thank Jamie Bothwell for catching the error of my ways. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] [1], "Steven Allen" wrote: > > > Scaled out, that height would be about 8 ft tall, which is too tall in my opinion for "S". There are cows, horses, and I think pigs that are available from time to time on eBay that were manufactured by Ertl which are supposed to be 1/64th. I originally used HO scale on my layout, but got rid of them as soon as I picked up a pack of S scale cows which were about an inch tall (no taller than the tallest S Scale Arttista figure I have on my layout). > > Steven Allen > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] [2], "rapidrail1" wrote: > > > > That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the correct dimensions. If anyone has the ertl figures to measure, I think they may be correct. > > > > Wayne > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] [3], anormal1@ wrote: > > > > > > I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one half > > > long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71928	From: rudypenne	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE??

Thank all of you that replied. Well as i was cleaning out my garage, I found my scale ruler.....Mike In a message dated 3/31/2013 3:33:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alizoo@... writes: Sorry my little cynical email was as a result of not only my comment being ignored but on another board at exactly the same time I was first to identify a Marx related identification question that somebody else was thanked for. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 01 Apr 2013 07:32:36 +1030 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: SCALE?? And thank you to Alistair for correctly stating it as 5 foot four. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [1] To: Cc: Sent:Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:43:14 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: SCALE?? I want to make a correction in my statement last night. I misread the post and took the length of 1 1/2" to be the height. In reality the height of 1" is slightly taller than 5ft, the length is the 8ft. I want to thank Jamie Bothwell for catching the error of my ways. Steven Allen --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [2] [1], "Steven Allen" wrote: > > > Scaled out, that height would be about 8 ft tall, which is too tall in my opinion for "S". There are cows, horses, and I think pigs that are available from time to time on eBay that were manufactured by Ertl which are supposed to be 1/64th. I originally used HO scale on my layout, but got rid of them as soon as I picked up a pack of S scale cows which were about an inch tall (no taller than the tallest S Scale Arttista figure I have on my layout). > > Steven Allen > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [3] [2], "rapidrail1" wrote: > > > > That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the correct dimensions. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71929	From: johntech	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Easy Mold making

I found this looking through YouTube today and thought it would be good to pass along http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=AS7dlRPryP8&feature=endscreen John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71930	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCALE Smart Phone App

Hi All, I have an app on my Droid smart phone called ModelScaler. It converts from Actual Height to Scale Height or the other way round. Just input one measurement and it gives you the other. It has 9 scales (including S) and even a custom scale. It's from Woodland Scenics. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Thank all of you that replied. Well as i was cleaning out my garage, I > found my scale ruler.....Mike > > > In a message dated 3/31/2013 3:33:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > alizoo@... writes: > > > > > Sorry my little cynical email was as a result of not only my comment > being ignored but on another board at exactly the same time I was > first to identify a Marx related identification question that > somebody else was thanked for. Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > To: > Cc: > Sent:Mon, 01 Apr 2013 07:32:36 +1030 > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: SCALE?? > > > > And thank you to Alistair for correctly stating it as 5 foot four. > Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [1] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Sun, 31 Mar 2013 20:43:14 -0000 > Subject:[S-Trains] Re: SCALE?? > > > > I want to make a correction in my statement last night. I misread > the post and took the length of 1 1/2" to be the height. In reality > the height of 1" is slightly taller than 5ft, the length is the 8ft. > I want to thank Jamie Bothwell for catching the error of my ways. > > Steven Allen > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [2] > [1], "Steven Allen" wrote: > > > > > > Scaled out, that height would be about 8 ft tall, which is too > tall in my opinion for "S". There are cows, horses, and I think pigs > that are available from time to time on eBay that were manufactured > by Ertl which are supposed to be 1/64th. I originally used HO scale > on my layout, but got rid of them as soon as I picked up a pack of S > scale cows which were about an inch tall (no taller than the tallest > S Scale Arttista figure I have on my layout). > > > > Steven Allen > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [3] > [2], "rapidrail1" wrote: > > > > > > That does seem a little large to me, but I do not know the > correct dimensions. If anyone has the ertl figures to measure, I > think they may be correct. > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > [4] [3], anormal1@ wrote: > > > > > > > > I just go some cows.....They are an inch tall & an inch & one > half > > > > long....They seem to be 1/43 not 1/64. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71931	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new

----- Original Message ----- From: Brady Burdge . . . . . . . .Common link coupler equipment is just too inexpensive to pay the going rate for new production stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But this overlooks an important point. Many modellers, especially younger ones, want modern equipment. Think of all the cars and locomotives you see in the real world that did not exist in 1947 and therefore will not be found among the link coupler cars & locos you find at train shows. Imagine an S gauge SD40-2, an AC4400CW, autoracks and multi-unit allpurpose stack cars, 50 & 60 foot boxcars, big covered hoppers, &c, all with the link couplers we loved so much. Thousands who had link coupler rolling stock back in the day would be brought back to 3/16" scale railroading. That's what would revive S and make it dominate the world of model railroading as we all know it should. As you know, the NASG constitution, Article 1, section 2 D provides that the puropses of the NASG include "To foster closer relationships among S Gauge manufacturers, suppliers, publishers and consumers." I can't tell you that anyone on the NASG BOT has broken the oath of silence, so let's just say a little birdie has led me to believe they are working with L[xxxxx] to bring back link couplers on some future products. Don't even be surprised if the next round of SD70ACe production might have optional link couplers. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71932	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Hi Jerry, � You may want to check and see if that "Oil Dry" is safe to use. I used to work at a Utility Company and we used a product called "Zip Zorb" which was clay and I believe it was on the Haz Mat list.  We used to have this in 40 lb bags.  See if you have a bag with the content. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> To: allens1017@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] (unknown)   Yes I ballast the track, using a product called "oil dry" it is just a light colored clay, held in place with ballast glue. Exposed fibers don't seam to be a problem. I do use Flyer rubber road bed on some sections of track, some sections of AF track, re-bent to a 24" & larger radius, require the Jute pad. The center track shown is a combination of rubber and Jute The track to the right of the retaining wall is Jute without ballast. Jerry TCA HR 77-11644. That's interesting. Did you ballast the track? If not, wouldn't you be concerned about the jute fibers getting into the gears/motors etc? Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > > Yes I use jute ? (spelling ) carpet pad cut to a width of 3" for > AF "S" & 4" for "O". The trains run very quietly. Track has been in > place 30 years +/- Clip a small triangular in the jute at the curves. > I use nails very sparingly, 1 per tie +/- and not driven down tight, so > the track moves a ;little Caution at accessories that require the car > height for operation, such as the cattle loader. also I have seen rubber > underlayment. > > JERRY > TCA HR 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51585be9d712e5be973d2st04duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71933	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)

Since it is a pdf, it can be read by almost everything, not just Ipads. Iphones, ipods, PC's, Macs, Kindles, Nooks, ...etc. "I have an older copy of your book and also recently bought the new one from amazon. I also wrote a review of it for amazon. Is the download only for Ipads? I use an Apple computer and would like to have it on the computer. Is that possible? Thanks. Lon Walker"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71934	From: Thomas	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)

The file is a standard Adobe Acrobat pdf. It is readable on most devices including your Mac computer. The advantage of the iPad is the portability and the fact that you can use finger gestures to expand the image (type or pictures) for more detail. If you send me a direct email, I can send you the URL in dropbox to download the file. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lon Walker <wlon17@...> wrote: > >    Hi Tom, > > I have an older copy of your book and also recently bought the new one from amazon. I also wrote a review of it for amazon.  Is the download only for Ipads?  I use an Apple computer and would like to have it on the computer. Is that possible?  Thanks.  Lon Walker  > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Thomas Barker <tbbeqa@...> > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:17 AM > >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide) > > > > > >  > >Brady, > > > >I know how to put a pdf into an iPad, but how do you connect a Kindle to your computer to put the pdf so it can show up on the Kindle in the "EZ PDF Reader?" > > > >I have been working on putting the AF Repair Guide into Kindle format, but the figures and photos do not stay in place in that format. The pdf retains the same format. My wife has a Kindle. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Tom Barker > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71935	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)

<<  OK Brady,you can't just throw that out there without some explanation. What do you mean one of your dogs is a Flyer fan and how does he or she demonstrate this admirable proclivity? More importantly, why doesn't the other one share the interest.? Inquiring minds want to know.  Oh yes, thank you Mr Barker from me also.   Lon >>     Lon,   I was running Lionel O gauge, and when I ran the trains Chloe would bolt from the room.   She's a rescue and was found sitting in a curbside storm drain, so I suppose the noisy Lionel banging thru 022 switches was too much for her.  I switched to Flyer and she no longer ran from the room, she started wanting me to pick her up so she could see what was going on.  When I moved the layout downstairs I lowered it so she could sit in my lap and watch the goings on.    The other dog is a Japanese Chin, she lives in her own world..   Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71936	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)

Tom, << I know how to put a pdf into an iPad, but how do you connect a Kindle to your computer to put the pdf so it can show up on the Kindle in the "EZ PDF Reader?" >> I use a USB to Micro USB cable to transfer files from my computer to the Kindle.    The Kindle has a basic, native PDF viewer, and if you have EZ installed it should prompt you for which one you want to use when you open the PDF.   A good utility to have on the Kindle is "ES File Explorer" (free from the Amazon app store).  I have the first version of the Kindle Fire and it didn't come with a file explorer/manager.   When I received the URL from you I downloaded it straight to the Kindle (I use the Yahoo mail app) and then ES File Explorer to move it from the Download folder to the Documents folder.   Model Railroad Hobbyst seems to always download to an odd location and I use ES to move it.      Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71937	From: bigswede073	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Another similar looking product is Turface - the stuff used on baseball fields, etc. It is a high fired porus clay which will not break down like Oil Dry or kitty litter. It is often used in bonsai work as a soil conditioner. Comes in 25 or 50 pound bags for about $15 (haven't bought any in a while - may be higher now). Another option from the bonsai community is haydite, the stuff cinder blocks are made from - somewhat harder to find - check out local sand and gravel company. Turface comes is a light tan color, haydite is greyish. Both are very porous, so should take color washes readily. Don Munsey, Jr UpperRightCorner of Louisiana , USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Seccia" <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:47:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] (unknown) Hi Jerry, � You may want to check and see if that "Oil Dry" is safe to use. I used to work at a Utility Company and we used a product called "Zip Zorb" which was clay and I believe it was on the Haz Mat list. We used to have this in 40 lb bags. See if you have a bag with the content. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: gerald r dobbs < grdobbs@... > To: allens1017@... Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] (unknown) Yes I ballast the track, using a product called "oil dry" it is just a light colored clay, held in place with ballast glue. Exposed fibers don't seam to be a problem. I do use Flyer rubber road bed on some sections of track, some sections of AF track, re-bent to a 24" & larger radius, require the Jute pad. The center track shown is a combination of rubber and Jute The track to the right of the retaining wall is Jute without ballast. Jerry TCA HR 77-11644. That's interesting. Did you ballast the track? If not, wouldn't you be concerned about the jute fibers getting into the gears/motors etc? Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > > Yes I use jute ? (spelling ) carpet pad cut to a width of 3" for > AF "S" & 4" for "O". The trains run very quietly. Track has been in > place 30 years +/- Clip a small triangular in the jute at the curves. > I use nails very sparingly, 1 per tie +/- and not driven down tight, so > the track moves a ;little Caution at accessories that require the car > height for operation, such as the cattle loader. also I have seen rubber > underlayment. > > JERRY > TCA HR 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51585be9d712e5be973d2st04duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71938	From: imsscott	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)

Here is a link to Amazon's instructions for putting PDF files onto a Kindle device. http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_pdoc_main_short_us?nodeId=200767340 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Barker <tbbeqa@...> wrote: > > Brady, > > I know how to put a pdf into an iPad, but how do you connect a Kindle to your computer to put the pdf so it can show up on the Kindle in the "EZ PDF Reader?" > > I have been working on putting the AF Repair Guide into Kindle format, but the figures and photos do not stay in place in that format. The pdf retains the same format. My wife has a Kindle. > > Thanks. > > Tom Barker >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71939	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/1/2013
Subject: Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)

I had forgotten about the desktop app.  If memory serves it sends files via your home wi-fi   You can also e-mail PDF files to the Kindle's unique e-mail address, subject to the size limits of your e-mail provider   Brady   ________________________________ From: imsscott <imsscott@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 8:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PDF Reader (was Link to American Flyer Reapir Guide)   Here is a link to Amazon's instructions for putting PDF files onto a Kindle device. http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_pdoc_main_short_us?nodeId=200767340 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71940	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 4/2/2013
Subject: Couplers

Remember HO Gauge and N gauge back in the 70's and 80's and even the 60's? We called it n scale and ho scale even with the horn hook and rapido couplers. Now as far as I know, all new cars and engines come with Kadee style couplers. All standard. SOlution to the S-Gauge/scale dilema. All manufactures offer Kadee style couplers on the new S-Trains. A manufacturer could make a transition car to old knuckle couplers and to link couplers. Easy fix for all problems. Then you can run them all. The newbies get the new realistic couplers and the oldies get to run the old equipment even with the newer Steam engines. Its realy easy if you think about it. Heck, the HO and N scale people did it and they aren't smart enough to play with 1/64th scale trains. Just my 38Cents worth, Christopher(cbtrainnut) Will post this on several sites so please excuse if you see it multiple times.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71941	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/2/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Christopher, Now if we could get  Sergent Engineering to get off their backside and give us the scale coupler we really wany we would be set. I would change some of my cars in a heartbeat. maybe thatis a long going April fools joke we have to put up with. My million dollar question.           Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: cbtrainnut3 <chrisandmhelburger@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Couplers   Remember HO Gauge and N gauge back in the 70's and 80's and even the 60's? We called it n scale and ho scale even with the horn hook and rapido couplers. Now as far as I know, all new cars and engines come with Kadee style couplers. All standard. SOlution to the S-Gauge/scale dilema. All manufactures offer Kadee style couplers on the new S-Trains. A manufacturer could make a transition car to old knuckle couplers and to link couplers. Easy fix for all problems. Then you can run them all. The newbies get the new realistic couplers and the oldies get to run the old equipment even with the newer Steam engines. Its realy easy if you think about it. Heck, the HO and N scale people did it and they aren't smart enough to play with 1/64th scale trains. Just my 38Cents worth, Christopher(cbtrainnut) Will post this on several sites so please excuse if you see it multiple times. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71942	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/2/2013
Subject: Stumpy's Station is posted!

The latest article of Stumpy's Station on Chuck Hrrington's http://myflyertrains.org has been posted for April. I'm doing something completely different this time with a detailed series about "The Junkyard." Junkyards can fit into odd or small locations on just about any layout. Having been a regular denizen of auto scrap yards in my younger years, I've seen dozens of them from the inside (of course this was back when they would LET you wander around.) As simple as five or six cars and a shack, to hundreds of cars, garage and storage structures and rail sidings that stay active daily, junkyards exist everywhere and allow for flat cars and gondola cars for outgoing scrap, or boxcars for incoming supplies. Don't overlook them! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71943	From: Paul	Date: 4/2/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!

and what a different use for a magnetic crane. from where they get smashed to the flatcar. it's ok for getting rid of today's generic jellybeans, but I hated it when the real steel began disappearing. paul On 4/2/2013 6:47 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > The latest article of Stumpy's Station on Chuck Hrrington's > http://myflyertrains.org has been posted for April. I'm doing > something completely different this time with a detailed series about > "The Junkyard." > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71944	From: R G	Date: 4/2/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers

This is exactly what I do.  All of my S-Helper and American Model's have Kadee couplers.  Gilbert cars have either link or knuckle depending on how they were made.  I have a number of transition cars with different couplers on each end, so I can start out with kadee couplers transition to Gilbert knuckles that Gilbert link than back to kadee's.  I agree that all new equipment should be with the better kadee style coupler. ________________________________ From: cbtrainnut3 <chrisandmhelburger@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 7:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Couplers   Remember HO Gauge and N gauge back in the 70's and 80's and even the 60's? We called it n scale and ho scale even with the horn hook and rapido couplers. Now as far as I know, all new cars and engines come with Kadee style couplers. All standard. SOlution to the S-Gauge/scale dilema. All manufactures offer Kadee style couplers on the new S-Trains. A manufacturer could make a transition car to old knuckle couplers and to link couplers. Easy fix for all problems. Then you can run them all. The newbies get the new realistic couplers and the oldies get to run the old equipment even with the newer Steam engines. Its realy easy if you think about it. Heck, the HO and N scale people did it and they aren't smart enough to play with 1/64th scale trains. Just my 38Cents worth, Christopher(cbtrainnut) Will post this on several sites so please excuse if you see it multiple times. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71945	From: Timboy	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!

I've set the crane on my layout to load S-tuff from my Flyer junque yard. http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ S-tuff like track pins, Erector screws & nuts. All that works very well and gives my RR guys something to do to break down the larger Flyer S-tuff into things that can be loaded by the crane and hauled away. We don't exactly know where it's hauled away to and we don't really care. :) :) :) :) -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul <dilly@...> wrote: > > and what a different use for a magnetic crane. from where they get > smashed to the flatcar. it's ok for > getting rid of today's generic jellybeans, but I hated it when the real > steel began disappearing. paul > > On 4/2/2013 6:47 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > > > The latest article of Stumpy's Station on Chuck Hrrington's > > http://myflyertrains.org has been posted for April. I'm doing > > something completely different this time with a detailed series about > > "The Junkyard." > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71946	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!

Hi Stumpy, I may have started that discussion a little while back about how to "wreck" die-cast cars. I have been thinking about posting a couple of photos of my attempts at wrecking die-cast cars and trucks. Most people thought going after a new die-cast with a ball peen hammer would not yield good results, but that didn't keep me from trying. I hammered away at several and think I got some reasonable results including a head-on crash into a tree and a pretty good t-bone crash. I'll post those maybe this weekend. Keep up the good work and keep planting those ideas in everyones' heads. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The latest article of Stumpy's Station on Chuck Hrrington's http://myflyertrains.org has been posted for April. I'm doing something completely different this time with a detailed series about "The Junkyard." > > Junkyards can fit into odd or small locations on just about any layout. Having been a regular denizen of auto scrap yards in my younger years, I've seen dozens of them from the inside (of course this was back when they would LET you wander around.) > > As simple as five or six cars and a shack, to hundreds of cars, garage and storage structures and rail sidings that stay active daily, junkyards exist everywhere and allow for flat cars and gondola cars for outgoing scrap, or boxcars for incoming supplies. Don't overlook them! > > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71947	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: For sale

I have 3 Christmas cars, new in the box. 1992 #8314 1993 #8319 1994 #8321 All three for $100.00 + $8.00 shipping Jerry TCA HR 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/515c38dd6fa5c38dd5c04st03duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71948	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: Couplers

Great plan for adults, but my grandchildren have a hard enough time with knuckle couplers. Kadees aren't so good for small children. And for me, small children are part of what it's all about. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:07 PM, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: > This is exactly what I do. All of my S-Helper and American Model's have Kadee couplers. Gilbert cars have either link or knuckle depending on how they were made. I have a number of transition cars with different couplers on each end, so I can start out with kadee couplers transition to Gilbert knuckles that Gilbert link than back to kadee's. I agree that all new equipment should be with the better kadee style coupler. > > ________________________________ > From: cbtrainnut3 <chrisandmhelburger@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 7:56 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Couplers > > > > Remember HO Gauge and N gauge back in the 70's and 80's and even the 60's? We called it n scale and ho scale even with the horn hook and rapido couplers. Now as far as I know, all new cars and engines come with Kadee style couplers. All standard. > SOlution to the S-Gauge/scale dilema. All manufactures offer Kadee style couplers on the new S-Trains. A manufacturer could make a transition car to old knuckle couplers and to link couplers. Easy fix for all problems. Then you can run them all. The newbies get the new realistic couplers and the oldies get to run the old equipment even with the newer Steam engines. Its realy easy if you think about it. Heck, the HO and N scale people did it and they aren't smart enough to play with 1/64th scale trains. Just my 38Cents worth, Christopher(cbtrainnut) Will post this on several sites so please excuse if you see it multiple times. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71949	From: John	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming

I feel compelled to weigh in on the coupler conversation. Bear with me... First, I collect all style couplers and prefer to keep all cars in their original form. I do often restore cars that have been converted. Let me give you my reasons for why I actually prefer link couplers (I can hear many of you moaning and groaning now). #1. Link couplers hold adjacent cars closer together. Particularly on a passenger consist, this is a nice characteristic. The look to me is more appealing when the simulated vestibule is doing its job and there aren’t huge gaps between cars. #2. The most important to me: Yard movement ability. With a properly adjusted link coupler, switching, coupling, and uncoupling work flawlessly. Starting with a ten car consist, it is possible to set out the 647 reefer onto track 3, the 625 gulf tank onto track 5, and reassemble the train (in reverse order if you feel like) without touching the train manually even once. My neices can request a one car train with their favorite car and it can be made up with no problem. Knuckles are far more frustrating in this manner for the simple reason that the uncoupler need only hit one button to separate the train. The problem is to make a coupling, both need to be open (most of the time). The link on the other hand is always ready to latch. Ok, Ok, number 2 is the best reason probably, but reality is, I just like ‘em. #3. Sentimental and nostalgic gibberish: I actually like the tinplate nickel journal boxes. I like the (1948) brass weight. Sometimes I even polish them! They better match the over­sized manoil coupes, pressed sheet metal coal loads, and lime green uncouplers. Also, my father’s childhood trains were all link. He told the story of the 1952 and 1953 catalogs that came in the mail and how it was obvious to him that his links were going the way of the dinosaur. So, he scraped together his paper route money and went to G Fox in Hartford, CT and bought what he could afford including a 613, 622, and 3 (yes 3!) 647’s. Later he picked up a used 336 northern, but after looking into changing it to link decided it would always be followed by one of his favorite 647’s converted on one end only. I still keep a few conversion cars for this purpose to interchange link engines­-knuckle cars and vise versa. A few 947’s added to Dad’s original cars make a nice NP reefer train (if you can forgive the spacing difference). Now, I am not suggesting that MTH manufacture a repro MOPAC set with link couplers, but if they remade the circus set, they might consider making one with links? After all, a candy red sheet metal tender just looks right with a link, doesn’t it? I wonder if the prototype “american flyer circus” had a knuckle? Probably not. I know my opinion might put me in the minority, but as Dad used to say to me once and awhile, “That is why they make chocolate and vanilla.” Well, maybe they should make a few links. Thanks for “listening”. John Redford [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71950	From: Brady	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: S Scale Reading Models

Photos of John Hall's S Scale Reading Models.. http://www.readingmodeler.com/index.php/photos/john-halls-s-scale-reading-models Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71951	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: For Sale: Flyonel HAR#7 C&O Streamlined Passenger Set

Complete set in original boxes with paperwork: 48102/03 ALCO PA units, 48900 Combo Car, 48901 Coach, 48902 Vista Dome, & 48903 Observation Car. The wheels of the passenger cars have some of their original lustre, but do reveal that they have been run a little bit. I would assume that the engines have been run as well, but the pickup shoes look like they've never touched a track and rubbing the wheels with a paper napkin picks up only a trace of black. I can't say for sure that the engines have been run; they might not have been. Let's call the set C-8 Like New. The 2012 TM Guide lists the set at $500 and to deduct 10% for C-8 condition; that gives a book value of $450.  Applying the same 10% rule to the 2013 Greenberg gives a book value of $497. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71952	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!

All looks great. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:32:50 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!   I've set the crane on my layout to load S-tuff from my Flyer junque yard. http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ [1] S-tuff like track pins, Erector screws & nuts. All that works very well and gives my RR guys something to do to break down the larger Flyer S-tuff into things that can be loaded by the crane and hauled away. We don't exactly know where it's hauled away to and we don't really care. :) :) :) :) -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2], Paul wrote: > > and what a different use for a magnetic crane. from where they get > smashed to the flatcar. it's ok for > getting rid of today's generic jellybeans, but I hated it when the real > steel began disappearing. paul > > On 4/2/2013 6:47 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > > > The latest article of Stumpy's Station on Chuck Hrrington's > > http://myflyertrains.org [3] has been posted for April I'm doing > > something completely different this time with a detailed series about > > "The Junkyard." > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > @...> ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] http://myflyertrains.org [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMW5xdjFyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk0NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjUwMDkxMjY-?act=reply&messageNum=71945 [5] mailto:timstrains2000@...?subject=Re%3A%20Stumpy%27s%20Station%20is%20posted%21 [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stumpy%27s%20Station%20is%20posted%21 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNzdhcGhxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUwMDkxMjY- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71942;_ylc=X3oDMTM0b3FodThmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk0NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUwMDkxMjYEdHBjSWQDNzE5NDI- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcXBuODFvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY1MDA5MTI2?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMnMxdWV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY1MDA5MTI2 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNWM4NnNpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUwMDkxMjY- [12] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [13] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJicXAxdHYzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NTAwOTEyNg-- [14] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [15] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [18] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71953	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming

I agree John. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:37:29 -0400 Subject:Re: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new   I feel compelled to weigh in on the coupler conversation. Bear with me... First, I collect all style couplers and prefer to keep all cars in their original form. I do often restore cars that have been converted. Let me give you my reasons for why I actually prefer link couplers (I can hear many of you moaning and groaning now). #1. Link couplers hold adjacent cars closer together. Particularly on a passenger consist, this is a nice characteristic. The look to me is more appealing when the simulated vestibule is doing its job and there aren’t huge gaps between cars. #2. The most important to me: Yard movement ability. With a properly adjusted link coupler, switching, coupling, and uncoupling work flawlessly. Starting with a ten car consist, it is possible to set out the 647 reefer onto track 3, the 625 gulf tank onto track 5, and reassemble the train (in reverse order if you feel like) without touching the train manually even once. My neices can request a one car train with their favorite car and it can be made up with no problem. Knuckles are far more frustrating in this manner for the simple reason that the uncoupler need only hit one button to separate the train. The problem is to make a coupling, both need to be open (most of the time). The link on the other hand is always ready to latch. Ok, Ok, number 2 is the best reason probably, but reality is, I just like ‘em. #3. Sentimental and nostalgic gibberish: I actually like the tinplate nickel journal boxes. I like the (1948) brass weight. Sometimes I even polish them! They better match the over­sized manoil coupes, pressed sheet metal coal loads, and lime green uncouplers. Also, my father’s childhood trains were all link. He told the story of the 1952 and 1953 catalogs that came in the mail and how it was obvious to him that his links were going the way of the dinosaur. So, he scraped together his paper route money and went to G Fox in Hartford, CT and bought what he could afford including a 613, 622, and 3 (yes 3!) 647’s. Later he picked up a used 336 northern, but after looking into changing it to link decided it would always be followed by one of his favorite 647’s converted on one end only. I still keep a few conversion cars for this purpose to interchange link engines­-knuckle cars and vise versa. A few 947’s added to Dad’s original cars make a nice NP reefer train (if you can forgive the spacing difference). Now, I am not suggesting that MTH manufacture a repro MOPAC set with link couplers, but if they remade the circus set, they might consider making one with links? After all, a candy red sheet metal tender just looks right with a link, doesn’t it? I wonder if the prototype “american flyer circus” had a knuckle? Probably not. I know my opinion might put me in the minority, but as Dad used to say to me once and awhile, “That is why they make chocolate and vanilla” Well, maybe they should make a few links. Thanks for “listening”. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71954	From: racin510	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy's Station is posted!

Got two super fun Lionel 182 cranes working my Great Northern Salvage yard ..... good ideas, Stumpy. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The latest article of Stumpy's Station on Chuck Hrrington's http://myflyertrains.org has been posted for April. I'm doing something completely different this time with a detailed series about "The Junkyard." > > Junkyards can fit into odd or small locations on just about any layout. Having been a regular denizen of auto scrap yards in my younger years, I've seen dozens of them from the inside (of course this was back when they would LET you wander around.) > > As simple as five or six cars and a shack, to hundreds of cars, garage and storage structures and rail sidings that stay active daily, junkyards exist everywhere and allow for flat cars and gondola cars for outgoing scrap, or boxcars for incoming supplies. Don't overlook them! > > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71955	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: Stumpy's Station for April

"The Junkyard" is a multi part series that will inform everyone what the common old junkyards looked and how they worked during the fifties and sixties. Then we move on to how to get that look is S scale. And yes, the idea started with you Dave, but was expanded in conversations and e-mails with Paul, Rick, and other "car guys" who had been to junkyards in their youth too. This is the perfect connection between trains and cars for we old "gearheads," but works well for any model railroad. I hope everyone enjoys it. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71956	From: Brady	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, John <rrhobby@...> wrote: > #1. Link couplers hold adjacent cars closer together. Particularly on a passenger consist, this is a nice characteristic... I agree > #2. The most important to me: Yard movement ability. With a properly adjusted link coupler, switching, coupling, and uncoupling work flawlessly... I do a fair amount of switching on my small layout and I've had pretty good results with links. > #3. Sentimental and nostalgic gibberish: I actually like the tinplate nickel journal boxes... Me too. While the knuckle coupler era includes some terrific trains, I prefer the more basic offerings of the link coupler era. Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71957	From: Brady	Date: 4/3/2013
Subject: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brady Burdge > . . . . . . . .Common link coupler equipment is just too inexpensive to pay > the going rate for new production stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But this overlooks an important point. Many modellers, especially younger > ones, want modern equipment... Let me re-phrase: Common link coupler equipment is just too inexpensive for me to pay the going rate for new production stuff. Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71958	From: Timboy	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: We need new link-coupler stuff, wuz Re: [S-Trains] Re: Upcoming new

Brady, I wholeheartedly agree! I'm not one who just has to have one - no two - of everything anyway. I find that there is far more variety in vintage linker rolling stock and motive power than I could ever want to own for my Sibley. AND they are still relatively inexpensive. Plus, they are the era of Flyer trains I had as a kid - for the most part. I like that niche. Once linkers are adjusted, they work well. I could not always say the same for the vintage claw-like knuckles. As far as I was concerned, I dismissed the repro knuckles as inferior to stock vintage. They didn't work nearly as well a NOS knuckles. When I may have been tempted to build a linker/knuckle conversion car, I would tear open a knuckle conversion packet. OBTW, hard to beat the spacing on pax cars with linkers! It's all personal preference for most; a matter of practicality and nostalgia for me... -Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@> wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brady Burdge > > . . . . . . . .Common link coupler equipment is just too inexpensive to pay > > the going rate for new production stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But this overlooks an important point. Many modellers, especially younger > > ones, want modern equipment... > > > Let me re-phrase: Common link coupler equipment is just too inexpensive for me to pay the going rate for new production stuff. > > > Brady >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71959	From: john	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Coupler Question

HI - We are new to the group. My seven year old grandson just inhereted (sp) an American Flyer set that has not been out of the box since at least 1996. The box has a train set with the standard (to Lionel) knuckle couplers. The other train, which appears to be much older) has a different type of coupler that we are not familiar with (we are long time Lionel types). Do these older couplers have a magnet in them that helps hold the cars together? The cars do not want to remain connected when the train is running. Any thoughts.? Also, do these couplers date the train? Second, the box came with a man in shack that pops out of the shack when the train crosses a switch. The shack came with a Lionel type pressure switch but that does not work the assessory. We know the assessory works becasue when touching the track with the power on, the man literally jumps out of the shack. It appears to be quite old as well. Do we need a special American Flyer track connector for the shack assessory? Thanks John Shontz, Helena, Montana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71960	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

_American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71961	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

Shill bidding obviously. Seller won't last long. As to why the total bid - leave that to the experts. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject:[S-Trains] RE: WHY??????   _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 [1]) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvams1OHFyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI-?act=reply&messageNum=71960 [3] mailto:Anormal1@...?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZmtudGNnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71960;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZmRuaGZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDIEdHBjSWQDNzE5NjA- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNG1uNnVnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazI0cm1mBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjazl0azBwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibXF1Zm9uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NTEzNDI0Mg-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [16] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71962	From: Roger Huber	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

And to think he never even used "RARE" in the description! And ONLY 2 broken steps! WOW!!!   Roger Huber --- On Fri, 4/5/13, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 5, 2013, 2:47 AM   _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71963	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

welcome to the wonderful world of ebay, you have a couple of idiots making fools out of them selves, wait until reality sets in mel perry On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:47 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ > (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/ > 200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71964	From: snstrains	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

2 bidders only. Probably a buddy of the seller driving the other one up. Pretty good for a $20 car. In a message dated 4/4/2013 9:58:24 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt =Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71965	From: Paul	Date: 4/4/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

a pair of nuts.. the one with zero feedback bid way up and somebody with one feedback has tried 20+ times to catch him. I'm thinking the zero fellow hit too many keys and doesn't know how to fix it. his prior bid was $12.05 and he wasn't the top bidder. 12 seconds later he went to 102.50, suspect he meant 12.50. the other guy's problem I haven't a clue. I'm thinking somebody will be a non payer and get nasty feedback. paul in Ohio On 4/4/2013 10:47 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > > _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ > (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71966	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Track question

I am using the old AF Track and some of the cross ties are in bad shape as far as losing their color due to rust, any ideal what was used are can be use to bring back the color, has anyone tried gun blue??? are metal dye ??? also the track locks are more expensive than the track, anyone tried making them? Tks James Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71967	From: Paul	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

I'll reply on my own post here for argument sake. each has his own opinion, but why and how could this seller be at fault? I don't know him, nor have I ever dealt with him, BUT he has been an E-bay member since 1999. he has feedback on 250+ auctions and has several other offerings right now. none of his other sales are jumping as this one did. are we to supposed to believe that for some lucky reason he would choose this particular car to play silly games? how could he know that this specific $20 car would be the one to drive the price skyward with? the bid was raised in one step from $12 to somewhere above the present $102 bid. yes it is a competition between 2 newbies and often a new account is created to unfairly try to catch a big dollar finish, but usually the object needs to be something that is fairly desirable. my 2 cent opinion only, but the big picture studied does not warrant the immediate conviction of the seller as a jerk, no one is forced to bid. jumping to conclusions without seeing all the facts seems to be a guilty verdict without a trial, not the innocent until proven guilty, trial by peers that I would expect and try to uphold for others. meanwhile I think I have a 925 Gulf with one broken coupler and lots of scratches, how much more damage do I need to inflict on it to get a $1000 bid? paul in SW Ohio self proclaimed advocate of common sense Stumpy is there time for me to borrow your famous suit before the consuming blazes come my way? p On 4/5/2013 12:20 AM, Paul wrote: > > a pair of nuts.. the one with zero feedback bid way up and somebody with > one feedback has tried 20+ times to catch him. I'm thinking the zero > fellow > > hit too > many keys and doesn't > know how to fix it. his prior bid was $12.05 and he wasn't the top > bidder. 12 seconds later he > went to 102.50, suspect he meant 12.50. the other guy's problem I > haven't a clue. I'm thinking > somebody will be a non payer and get nasty feedback. paul in Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71968	From: c100495	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: S Gauge in Florida

Can anyone suggest a hobby shop in the Orlando area that may have an assortment of S gauge Flyer worth visiting? Thank you. Fred from Massachusetts

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71969	From: Dave	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

I sold about 6 aircraft instruments recently. One went for $5 I think, most for $10 or 15, but one got me around $150. They were all the same vintage, the 60s maybe, and I had paid $1 each at a yard sale. I have no explaination for it. _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 6:42 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? I'll reply on my own post here for argument sake. each has his own opinion, but why and how could this seller be at fault? I don't know him, nor have I ever dealt with him, BUT he has been an E-bay member since 1999. he has feedback on 250+ auctions and has several other offerings right now. none of his other sales are jumping as this one did. are we to supposed to believe that for some lucky reason he would choose this particular car to play silly games? how could he know that this specific $20 car would be the one to drive the price skyward with? the bid was raised in one step from $12 to somewhere above the present $102 bid. yes it is a competition between 2 newbies and often a new account is created to unfairly try to catch a big dollar finish, but usually the object needs to be something that is fairly desirable. my 2 cent opinion only, but the big picture studied does not warrant the immediate conviction of the seller as a jerk, no one is forced to bid. jumping to conclusions without seeing all the facts seems to be a guilty verdict without a trial, not the innocent until proven guilty, trial by peers that I would expect and try to uphold for others. meanwhile I think I have a 925 Gulf with one broken coupler and lots of scratches, how much more damage do I need to inflict on it to get a $1000 bid? paul in SW Ohio self proclaimed advocate of common sense Stumpy is there time for me to borrow your famous suit before the consuming blazes come my way? p On 4/5/2013 12:20 AM, Paul wrote: > > a pair of nuts.. the one with zero feedback bid way up and somebody with > one feedback has tried 20+ times to catch him. I'm thinking the zero > fellow > > hit too > many keys and doesn't > know how to fix it. his prior bid was $12.05 and he wasn't the top > bidder. 12 seconds later he > went to 102.50, suspect he meant 12.50. the other guy's problem I > haven't a clue. I'm thinking > somebody will be a non payer and get nasty feedback. paul in Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71970	From: R G	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

What a hoot I just bought the same hopper for  $21.00 on e-bay three days ago!  Additionally mine has all of the steps and does not have any paint chipping off! ________________________________ From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHY??????   Shill bidding obviously. Seller won't last long. As to why the total bid - leave that to the experts. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject:[S-Trains] RE: WHY??????   _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 [1]) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvams1OHFyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI-?act=reply&messageNum=71960 [3] mailto:Anormal1@...?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZmtudGNnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71960;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZmRuaGZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDIEdHBjSWQDNzE5NjA- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNG1uNnVnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazI0cm1mBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjazl0azBwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibXF1Zm9uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NTEzNDI0Mg-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [16] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71971	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas I don't know, but I am keeping my car That has everything still there. Nothing is broken. That is the main reason I don't do E-Bay. I find what I want at my 2 local train shows, and don't get in a bidding war to get it.          Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 9:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: WHY??????   _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71972	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

On 4/4/2013 9:26 PM, boss31@... wrote: > 2 bidders only. Probably a buddy of the seller driving the other one up. > Pretty good for a $20 car. I'm on the side of those who think it is just two newbies with no clue as to the real value of the car. I haven't sold on eBay for a long while but I once offered a new drive in theater junction box and the bidding went over $170 for an item I normally sold for $40 on my website. I felt so guilty about the extreme bid that I sent the buyer a complete set including two new drive in speakers with the junction box, something that normally fetches about $150 in my store. I hate to see people get screwed but sometimes they bring it on themselves due to their own ignorance. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71973	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Coupler Question

My website shows the various kinds of couplers made by American Flyer over the ages:         <thegilbertgallery.org/couplers.html> To some extent, this will enable you to date the train, at least to narrow it down. No, there is no magnet in the couplers. If the tracks aren't smooth and level (such as if you're set up on a thick pile carpet), that can encourage uncoupling. If the couplers are dirty and sticky, that can encourage uncoupling; clean them but don't put any oil on them. If those things don't work, some people put small rubber bands or clips on them to keep them from uncoupling. And I'm sure other people in the group will have other suggestions. You should be able to identify and date everything in the set by looking through my website starting at the home page, thegilbertgallery.org. If there's anything you need for the set, check out the For Sale pages of my website. There is a link to them at the bottom of almost every page of the website. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ________________________________ From: john <montananext@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Coupler Question   HI - We are new to the group. My seven year old grandson just inhereted (sp) an American Flyer set that has not been out of the box since at least 1996. The box has a train set with the standard (to Lionel) knuckle couplers. The other train, which appears to be much older) has a different type of coupler that we are not familiar with (we are long time Lionel types). Do these older couplers have a magnet in them that helps hold the cars together? The cars do not want to remain connected when the train is running. Any thoughts.? Also, do these couplers date the train? Second, the box came with a man in shack that pops out of the shack when the train crosses a switch. The shack came with a Lionel type pressure switch but that does not work the assessory. We know the assessory works becasue when touching the track with the power on, the man literally jumps out of the shack. It appears to be quite old as well. Do we need a special American Flyer track connector for the shack assessory? Thanks John Shontz, Helena, Montana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71974	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

It is now 140+ In a message dated 4/5/2013 7:20:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, keyhole_corona@... writes: What a hoot I just bought the same hopper for $21.00 on e-bay three days ago! Additionally mine has all of the steps and does not have any paint chipping off! ________________________________ From: "_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) " <_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? Shill bidding obviously. Seller won't last long. As to why the total bid - leave that to the experts. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject:[S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt =Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 [1]) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt= Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvams1OHFyBF9TAzk3MzU 5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZWMDZnRyBHN sawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI-?act=reply&messageNum=71960 [3] mailto:_Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) ?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F [4] mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZmtudGNnBF9TAzk3MzU 5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1 lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71960;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZmRuaGZkBF 9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZW MDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDIEdHBjSWQDNzE5NjA- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNG1uNnVnBF9TAzk3 MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRz dGltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazI0cm1mBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdG ltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjazl0azBwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0 BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEz NjUxMzQyNDI- [10] _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/_ (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/) [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibXF1Zm9uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2Mj gzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NTEzNDI0Mg-- [12] mailto:_S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:_S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:_S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [16] mailto:_ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71975	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

As the old saying goes: A fool and his money are welcome everywhere.   Bob ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHY??????   It is now 140+ In a message dated 4/5/2013 7:20:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:keyhole_corona%40yahoo.com writes: What a hoot I just bought the same hopper for $21.00 on e-bay three days ago! Additionally mine has all of the steps and does not have any paint chipping off! ________________________________ From: "mailto:_alizoo%40kern.com.au_ (mailto:mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au) " <mailto:_alizoo%40kern.com.au_ (mailto:mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au) > To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? Shill bidding obviously. Seller won't last long. As to why the total bid - leave that to the experts. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject:[S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt =Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 [1]) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt= Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvams1OHFyBF9TAzk3MzU 5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZWMDZnRyBHN sawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI-?act=reply&messageNum=71960 [3] mailto:mailto:_Anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:Anormal1%40aol.com) ?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F [4] mailto:mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) ?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZmtudGNnBF9TAzk3MzU 5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1 lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71960;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZmRuaGZkBF 9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZW MDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDIEdHBjSWQDNzE5NjA- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNG1uNnVnBF9TAzk3 MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRz dGltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazI0cm1mBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdG ltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjazl0azBwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0 BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEz NjUxMzQyNDI- [10] _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/_ (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/) [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibXF1Zm9uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2Mj gzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NTEzNDI0Mg-- [12] mailto:mailto:_S-Trains-traditional%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains-traditional%40yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:mailto:_S-Trains-digest%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains-digest%40yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:mailto:_S-Trains-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [16] mailto:mailto:_ygroupsnotifications%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:ygroupsnotifications%40yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71976	From: traindavid	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Coupler Question

John, Yes, the "odd couplers" you are seeing are known as "link couplers" and date that train set to the 1946-1954 period. There are variations on the couplers that can get the date down to certain years--too much to go into right now! No magnets, just weight; but the plastic tends to shrink and off-gas the mold release compound--it looks like white stuff or mold on the surface. It can be cleaned off in many ways--one of the favorite methods is a hair dryer and an old toothbrush (NO--not your wife's toothbrush!). When the plastic shrinks, it becomes tight on the metal pin, so they don't work easily, and can uncouple easily. I believe the FAQ section of the group covers the various ways to make them more reliable. The man in the shack sounds like the Lionel Gate Crossing man, a common (and popular) accessory that is still in production--many variations over the years. Yes, to operate it with your AF trains, you need the AF pressure switch that goes under the track, and the train's weight turns it on. There are modern replacements using various methods of turning on the switch, magnets, LEDs, etc. Have fun with the trains! S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71977	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

I agree. Only a couple of bidders and neither has much feedback. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > Shill bidding obviously. Seller won't last long. As to why the total > bid - leave that to the experts. Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT) > Subject:[S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? > >   > > _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ > > (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 > [1]) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] > http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 > [2] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvams1OHFyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI-?act=reply&messageNum=71960 > [3] mailto:Anormal1@...?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F > [4] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZmtudGNnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI- > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71960;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZmRuaGZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDIEdHBjSWQDNzE5NjA- > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNG1uNnVnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy?o=6 > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazI0cm1mBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjazl0azBwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI- > [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibXF1Zm9uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NTEzNDI0Mg-- > [12] > mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [13] > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > [16] > mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71978	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

The bidding ended at $142.50 I have one in mint condition in the box, mine must be priceless Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2013, at 10:25 AM, anormal1@... wrote: > It is now 140+ > > > In a message dated 4/5/2013 7:20:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > keyhole_corona@... writes: > > What a hoot I just bought the same hopper for $21.00 on e-bay three days > ago! Additionally mine has all of the steps and does not have any paint > chipping off! > > ________________________________ > From: "_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) " > <_alizoo@..._ (mailto:alizoo@...) > > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? > > Shill bidding obviously. Seller won't last long. As to why the total > bid - leave that to the experts. Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > To: > Cc: > Sent:Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT) > Subject:[S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? > > _American Flyer 921 CB&Q Hopper Car _ > > (http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt > =Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 > [1]) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] > http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Flyer-921-CB-Q-Hopper-Car-/200910600983?pt= > Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec7347b17 > [2] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvams1OHFyBF9TAzk3MzU > 5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZWMDZnRyBHN > sawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI-?act=reply&messageNum=71960 > [3] mailto:_Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) > ?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F > [4] > mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > ?subject=RE%3A%20WHY%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZmtudGNnBF9TAzk3MzU > 5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1 > lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDI- > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/71960;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZmRuaGZkBF > 9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MTk2MARzZW > MDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjUxMzQyNDIEdHBjSWQDNzE5NjA- > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNG1uNnVnBF9TAzk3 > MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRz > dGltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy?o=6 > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazI0cm1mBF9TAzk3Mz > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdG > ltZQMxMzY1MTM0MjQy > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjazl0azBwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0 > BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEz > NjUxMzQyNDI- > [10] _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/_ > (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/) > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibXF1Zm9uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2Mj > gzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NTEzNDI0Mg-- > [12] > mailto:_S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [13] > mailto:_S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [14] mailto:_S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Unsubscribe > [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > [16] > mailto:_ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com) > ?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71979	From: Chris	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

In Dave`s case, surely this can just be something wanted fo a specific reason, may be a restoration o somesuch. $150 may not be a lot to some people if it was a specific instrument he/she actually was looking for. I do not feel that case is really comparable to the original! (which is outlandish) Ceejay From: Dave Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? I sold about 6 aircraft instruments recently. One went for $5 I think, most for $10 or 15, but one got me around $150. They were all the same vintage, the 60s maybe, and I had paid $1 each at a yard sale. I have no explaination for it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71980	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

If I were the seller, I would cancel the auction. It is obvious that these two imbeciles, with their feedbacks at zero and 1, are not serious. There is no 921, even one new in a crisp original box, that’s worth over $100. Bruce From: Paul Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 3:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? I'll reply on my own post here for argument sake. each has his own opinion, but why and how could this seller be at fault? I don't know him, nor have I ever dealt with him, BUT he has been an E-bay member since 1999. he has feedback on 250+ auctions and has several other offerings right now. none of his other sales are jumping as this one did. are we to supposed to believe that for some lucky reason he would choose this particular car to play silly games? how could he know that this specific $20 car would be the one to drive the price skyward with? the bid was raised in one step from $12 to somewhere above the present $102 bid. yes it is a competition between 2 newbies and often a new account is created to unfairly try to catch a big dollar finish, but usually the object needs to be something that is fairly desirable. my 2 cent opinion only, but the big picture studied does not warrant the immediate conviction of the seller as a jerk, no one is forced to bid. jumping to conclusions without seeing all the facts seems to be a guilty verdict without a trial, not the innocent until proven guilty, trial by peers that I would expect and try to uphold for others. meanwhile I think I have a 925 Gulf with one broken coupler and lots of scratches, how much more damage do I need to inflict on it to get a $1000 bid? paul in SW Ohio self proclaimed advocate of common sense Stumpy is there time for me to borrow your famous suit before the consuming blazes come my way? p On 4/5/2013 12:20 AM, Paul wrote: > > a pair of nuts.. the one with zero feedback bid way up and somebody with > one feedback has tried 20+ times to catch him. I'm thinking the zero > fellow > > hit too > many keys and doesn't > know how to fix it. his prior bid was $12.05 and he wasn't the top > bidder. 12 seconds later he > went to 102.50, suspect he meant 12.50. the other guy's problem I > haven't a clue. I'm thinking > somebody will be a non payer and get nasty feedback. paul in Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71981	From: Rich	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: snark with the why??

If you look at the bid history for the eBay auction for the 921 car that has drawn a lot of attention here, the winning bidder only bid once - several days ago. Someone else on this list offered the possibility that he/she might have hit the wrong key (they meant $15 and not $150??) and didn't know how to extract themselves from a mis-bid (I use eBay to obtain S-gauge stuff and I don't know how to get out of a mis-bid either). On the other hand, I can't explain the other two bidders for the 921, one of whom rode the price up to $100 and peeled off and a second who rode it up to $140 and stopped about an hour or so short of the closing time. "Newbies"? maybe. In cahoots with the seller? - seems very unlikely given the seller's 100% rating over 250+ transactions. Besides, if the car (with two broken steps, missing paint and no real "rarity") is 'really' worth only $15 - its hard to see how a 'shill' would know how far to run up the price without going over the top. While I can't explain what happened, I think the snark button gets used too often here... - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71982	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: WHY??????

Cancel the auction WHY??? This is a sellers dream. If this buyer actually pays for it then the seller should package it with the greatest of care and send it. If these buyer's were just screwing around the seller can file for nonpayment and re-list it later. If the seller is truly fortunate and the winner pays he should not cancel the auction because he feels he is making too much money. What kind of Capitalism is that? Maybe these guys were caught up in an auction induced ego battle, maybe they got inspired by Stumpy's junk yard article, and wanted a beat up hopper with out doing the work. To you or I this car is not worth the money, but you never know the reasoning behind the bid. I gave up on second guessing peoples motives years ago when while talking to a friend learned that around 1969 when the Beatles Sgt Peppers album was out he was part of a group that paid $200.00 for the album. At that time in our area you could get an album at a local discount record store for around $3.00. Naturally I had to question the wisdom of his part in the purchase and learned that in the area of Viet Nam that they were in it was hard to come by. As the story ended up by the time their time was up, only three were still alive. While waiting at the air field a 6 or 7 year old kid ran up to them and exploded, leaving only him. Although injured he still made it, so I guess one could say he overpaid for the album and should have just waited. I feel that if it makes you happy and you can afford it, then that it is money well spent. Obie To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: goatfarm@... Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:50:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? If I were the seller, I would cancel the auction. It is obvious that these two imbeciles, with their feedbacks at zero and 1, are not serious. There is no 921, even one new in a crisp original box, that�s worth over $100. Bruce From: Paul Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 3:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: WHY?????? I'll reply on my own post here for argument sake. each has his own opinion, but why and how could this seller be at fault? I don't know him, nor have I ever dealt with him, BUT he has been an E-bay member since 1999. he has feedback on 250+ auctions and has several other offerings right now. none of his other sales are jumping as this one did. are we to supposed to believe that for some lucky reason he would choose this particular car to play silly games? how could he know that this specific $20 car would be the one to drive the price skyward with? the bid was raised in one step from $12 to somewhere above the present $102 bid. yes it is a competition between 2 newbies and often a new account is created to unfairly try to catch a big dollar finish, but usually the object needs to be something that is fairly desirable. my 2 cent opinion only, but the big picture studied does not warrant the immediate conviction of the seller as a jerk, no one is forced to bid. jumping to conclusions without seeing all the facts seems to be a guilty verdict without a trial, not the innocent until proven guilty, trial by peers that I would expect and try to uphold for others. meanwhile I think I have a 925 Gulf with one broken coupler and lots of scratches, how much more damage do I need to inflict on it to get a $1000 bid? paul in SW Ohio self proclaimed advocate of common sense Stumpy is there time for me to borrow your famous suit before the consuming blazes come my way? p On 4/5/2013 12:20 AM, Paul wrote: > > a pair of nuts.. the one with zero feedback bid way up and somebody with > one feedback has tried 20+ times to catch him. I'm thinking the zero > fellow > > hit too > many keys and doesn't > know how to fix it. his prior bid was $12.05 and he wasn't the top > bidder. 12 seconds later he > went to 102.50, suspect he meant 12.50. the other guy's problem I > haven't a clue. I'm thinking > somebody will be a non payer and get nasty feedback. paul in Ohio > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71983	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Scenery Unlimited old passenger car question.

Has any one compared the height and width of this car to the Bachmann 0N3 passenger cars? I might decide to splice 2 Bachman cars. The cost would be about the same and the trucks would match. Thanks Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71984	From: Scott	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: S Gauge in Florida

Greetings Fred from Massachusetts, There really isn't any real great Hobby Shop in Orlando that deals with Flyer, unless one has opened up as of late. All of the good Flyer that I've seen is from independent vendors located in the St. Petersburg Area, which is about 2 hours south. Feel free to contact me at scottmmiller1@... if you have any further questions about the Florida-American Flyer community. Thanks. Sincerely, Scott Miller Suncoast American Flyer Enthusiast Member --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "c100495" <fsage@...> wrote: > > Can anyone suggest a hobby shop in the Orlando area that may have an assortment of S gauge Flyer worth visiting? > > Thank you. > Fred from Massachusetts >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71985	From: Thomas Kaufman	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6015

Charlie Siegel's Train City is in Cape Canaveral FL. He usually has a good selection and he also does on line orders. And he has a website.  Tom Kaufman Seminole FL >________________________________ > From: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 2:22 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 6015 > > > S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains > >S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Group >15 New Messages >Digest #6015 > >1a >Re: Track question by "MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON" jad01@... >2a >Re: WHY?????? by "Paul" >2b >Re: WHY?????? by "Dave" dave_w_03303 >2c >Re: WHY?????? by "R G" keyhole_corona >2d >Re: WHY?????? by "Alan Lambert" alanlambert64 >2e >Re: WHY?????? by "George Cohn" gwescoyh >2f >Re: WHY?????? by rudypenne >2g >Re: WHY?????? by "robert hendrickson" canambob91710k >2h >Re: WHY?????? by "rapidrail1" rapidrail1 >2i >Re: WHY?????? by "Rich Falzini" rfalzini >2j >Re: WHY?????? by "Chris" ceejay902003 >2k >Re: WHY?????? by "Bruce DeGailler Sr" trutri66goat >3 >S Gauge in Florida by "c100495" c100495 >4a >Re: Coupler Question by "Robert Graves" theupstairstrain >4b >Re: Coupler Question by traindavid >MessagesGROUP FOOTER MESSAGE >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > >CHANGE SETTINGS >> >TERMS OF USE >> >UNSUBSCRIBE >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71986	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: auto Box car link

I have bought a few damaged Lionel 027 double door box cars. By using Merma-bilt metal ends you can fix where they break at the screw end. This one does not need the repair. That is why I am looking for metal ends. I don't know if Stewart or Huff and Puff ends will work. Has any one tried them? I want to cut off the doors on 1 side and move them to where both are at the end of the top and bottom phoney rail guides. Kusan had a box car with no moving parts. One side had an open door the the other side a closed door. K-line need to find dumb people to buy Kusan cars so they sold them to Lionel buyers. The S scale people who look down on old Flyer products could never be into O gauge. Some Industrial Rail cars are S. I go into a hobby store and they want to help me I said I am an S gauge and they said they don't carry S gauge. I said I see an S gauge car right over there. I go over and pick up a great C and O caboose. I hold it up and say does this look like O gauge to you? I bought it. I said see how the trucks are so much wider then the car. The K- Line Marx cars were called 0 scale by them. Some of the cheaper cars are S. I use a lot of Marx tenders. You can still find Marx cars with 1 wheel non moving trucks. Just cut them off and save money. Just have fun with simple projects. Jim Sleeth http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/1703954699/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71987	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: S Gauge in Florida (for Fred)

"c100495" <fsage@...> wrote: Can anyone suggest a hobby shop in the Orlando area that may have an assortment of S gauge Flyer worth visiting? Thank you. Fred from Massachusetts Fred, I used to live in Orlando back in the 70s/80s. When I shopped for AF back then, there were several stores in Orlando and Winter Park that I used to haunt. They had a limited amount of AF, but the one (now closed) that had the most was a shop called Southern Model RR and Traction. There was a story behind that closing that had to do with the owner’s son that I’m not at liberty to discuss. Another shop that I used to haunt was Winter Park Trains (also now closed), on Colonial Drive, right down the road from Colonial Photo and Hobby. The other store in Orlando, still open, that used to stock (and still does stock) used and new AF is the first on my list, Colonial Photo and Hobby. They are worth a visit and that would be the only store in Orlando worth a try. I used to spend a lot of time at another store, unfortunately now closed, called “Chester Holly Trains” in Tampa, just a short jaunt down I-4 from Orlando. I knew Chester back in the 70s. He was quite the character. His daughter took over operation of the store after his passing, but closed it just within the last few years. Other than what I’ve told you, the following stores should be given a try. They are about an hour and a half away from Orlando, heading South on I-4. They are: H&R Trains, 6901 US HWY 19 North, Pinellas Park, FLORIDA, 33781 Phone: 727-526-4682 All About Toy Trains, 6843 N Citrus Ave, Crystal River, FLORIDA, 34429 Phone: 352-795-6556 Trains of Ocala, 1729 NE 8th Road, Ocala, FLORIDA, 34470 Phone: 352-369-5152 Give them a call first, to save yourself a trip in case they don’t have what you’re looking for. Hope this helps. Bruce [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71988	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Track question

I have several I can sell you. How many do you need? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: jad01@... Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 04:29:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track question I am using the old AF Track and some of the cross ties are in bad shape as far as losing their color due to rust, any ideal what was used are can be use to bring back the color, has anyone tried gun blue??? are metal dye ??? also the track locks are more expensive than the track, anyone tried making them? Tks James Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71989	From: alsflyer	Date: 4/5/2013
Subject: Re: Track question

Regarding the track ties that are rusting: You can remove them from the track or just soak them in the product called EVAPO-RUST in a long enough tray that will hold an entire track. This is a super safe rust remover that is non-toxic, has no fumes, is bio-degradable and enviromentally safe. This product eliminates rust effortlessly by soaking for around 30 minutes. Then either rinse with water and dry or just let item air dry. To add back the color to the ties, buy a small bottle of gun blue and gun black. Use a small glass bowl and make a mixture of 1/2 gun blue and 1/2 gun black - this is the approximate color of the AF track ties. Then dip the ties into the liquid or else use a small paint brush to paint the liquid onto the ties and let completely dry for a few hours on several layers of newspaper on a concrete floor. This liquid stains everything it touches, so wear old clothes. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > > > I am using the old AF Track and some of the cross ties are in bad shape as far > as losing their color due to rust, any ideal what was used are can be use to > bring back the color, has anyone tried gun blue??? are metal dye ??? also the > track locks are more expensive than the track, anyone tried making them? > > Tks James Davidson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71990	From: wjjim2001	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Re: Track question

I currently sell AF "common" curve track for 75 cents per section, straight for $ 1.00 per section. Will ship. _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...) Track locks are everywhere. Not expensive. Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/5/2013 7:34:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jad01@... writes: I am using the old AF Track and some of the cross ties are in bad shape as far as losing their color due to rust, any ideal what was used are can be use to bring back the color, has anyone tried gun blue??? are metal dye ??? also the track locks are more expensive than the track, anyone tried making them? Tks James Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71991	From: john	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Re: Coupler Question

First, thanks to everyone who responded to my initial message. We have our answers and then some. What a lively group! We look forward to remaining aboard!John Shontz --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <djdewey@...> wrote: > > John, > Yes, the "odd couplers" you are seeing are known as "link couplers" and > date that train set to the 1946-1954 period. There are variations on the > couplers that can get the date down to certain years--too much to go into > right now! No magnets, just weight; but the plastic tends to shrink and > off-gas the mold release compound--it looks like white stuff or mold on the > surface. It can be cleaned off in many ways--one of the favorite methods is > a hair dryer and an old toothbrush (NO--not your wife's toothbrush!). When > the plastic shrinks, it becomes tight on the metal pin, so they don't work > easily, and can uncouple easily. I believe the FAQ section of the group > covers the various ways to make them more reliable. > The man in the shack sounds like the Lionel Gate Crossing man, a common (and > popular) accessory that is still in production--many variations over the > years. Yes, to operate it with your AF trains, you need the AF pressure > switch that goes under the track, and the train's weight turns it on. There > are modern replacements using various methods of turning on the switch, > magnets, LEDs, etc. > Have fun with the trains! > S'incerely, > David Dewey >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71992	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Re: S Gauge in Florida (for Fred)

H&R may be worth a visit. They frequently purchase AF repair parts from me. <<<Other than what I've told you, the following stores should be given a try. They are about an hour and a half away from Orlando, heading South on I-4. They are: H&R Trains, 6901 US HWY 19 North, Pinellas Park, FLORIDA, 33781 Phone: 727-526-4682>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71993	From: c100495	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: S Scale in Florida

I just want to thank the group for their suggestions on hobby shops that may have AF in stock, new and old. I hope to visit at least one while I am in the area. Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71994	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Gun blue on Old track

Most old track should be thrown out, Flyer track is not very strong and bends easy, if it is really straight, and you want to salvage it, why not mask the rail down to cover the insulation and paint the ties, top and bottom with a rust covering, flat black.. To make instant gun blue work, the metal must be clean of rust and oil, and can be expansive and it really doesn't work very well, real gun blue is done at high temperature and in a tank. Jerry HR 77-11644. ____________________________________________________________ NetZero now offers 4G mobile broadband. Sign up now. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71995	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: MOPAC

Any MOPAC enthusiast will delight this. Most others will also find it totally interesting. Gerry Evans In St. Louis http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/look-back/967432fe-8f75-5c56-8ca7-c860355903dc.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71996	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/7/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 71997	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: For Sale: Flyonel Freight Cars

For reference purposes, I show 2012 TM Guide book values(adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer I can't refuse! Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total. Pictures available on request. 9002 C-8 B&M Flatcar with log load In HAR#2 set $76.50 9101 C-10 Union Oil Tank Car $35.00 9105 C-8 Southern 3-Dome Tank Car In HAR#3 set $29.00 9301 C-8 B&O Gondola with canister load In HAR#1 set $20.00 9303 C-8 Southern Gondola with canister load In HAR#3 set $23.00 9401 C-8 B&O Caboose In HAR#1 set $30.00 9702 C-8 B&O Boxcar In HAR#1 set $36.00 9705 C-8 Pennsylvania Boxcar Run very little $45.00 9711 C-8 Southern Pacific Boxcar Run very little $27.00 48305 C-9 Wabash Boxcar In HAR#6 set $30.00 48308 C-10 Maine Central Boxcar $70.00 48481 C-10 Great Northern Boxcar (1993 TCA Convention) $85.00 Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71998	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Re: Coupler Question

To Dave and John, � PA8968 Die Cast Metal Link Coupler for Pre War Productions 1938 to 194, PA9993 Thin Shank Link Coupler, 1946, PA10469 Thick Shank Link Coupler 1947, XA10469 Link Coupler with Brass Weight 1948, XA10469 Link Coupler with Black Weight 1949 to 1953. 5 different styles of Link Couplers if you include the Pre War. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "djdewey@..." <djdewey@...> To: S-Trains Yahoo Group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; montananext@... Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] re: Coupler Question   John, Yes, the "odd couplers" you are seeing are known as "link couplers" and date that train set to the 1946-1954 period. There are variations on the couplers that can get the date down to certain years--too much to go into right now! No magnets, just weight; but the plastic tends to shrink and off-gas the mold release compound--it looks like white stuff or mold on the surface. It can be cleaned off in many ways--one of the favorite methods is a hair dryer and an old toothbrush (NO--not your wife's toothbrush!). When the plastic shrinks, it becomes tight on the metal pin, so they don't work easily, and can uncouple easily. I believe the FAQ section of the group covers the various ways to make them more reliable. The man in the shack sounds like the Lionel Gate Crossing man, a common (and popular) accessory that is still in production--many variations over the years. Yes, to operate it with your AF trains, you need the AF pressure switch that goes under the track, and the train's weight turns it on. There are modern replacements using various methods of turning on the switch, magnets, LEDs, etc. Have fun with the trains! S'incerely, David Dewey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 71999	From: Rich	Date: 4/6/2013
Subject: Re: MOPAC

Gerry -- interesting indeed. thanks. Somewhere I read that most steam engines had availabilities of less than 50% - that is, they spent as much or more time in the shop as in service. Apparently water was the limiting factor in many road engines - as opposed to fuel - requiring frequent water stops. Ironic that MOPAC had started to demo its water facilities even before the last steamers could have used them... - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Evans" <gerry.evans@...> wrote: > > Any MOPAC enthusiast will delight this. Most others will also find it totally interesting. > Gerry Evans > In St. Louis > > http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/look-back/967432fe-8f75-5c56-8ca7-c860355903dc.html > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72000	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/7/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/7/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 7, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72001	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/7/2013
Subject: America 100 Years Ago

004 | 1865 | " City Point , Virginia (vicinity). Medical supply boat Planter at General Hospital wharf on the Appomattox " 005 | 1890 | Florida . "Brown's Landing, Rice Creek" 006 | 1896 | U.S.S. New York . "Group of sailors" | Edward Hart 007 | 1897 | "Commodore H.M. Gillig's racing sloop Vencedor on Lake Erie " | John S. Johnston 008 | 1897 | "Berth deck cooks, U.S.S. Oregon" | Edward H. Hart 009 | 1897 | "U.S.S. Massachusetts, fire room" Tending the battleship's coal-fired boilers. | Edward H. Hart 010 | 1898 | "U.SS. Oregon in dry dock, Brooklyn Navy Yard" 011 | 1899 | "Berth deck cooks aboard cruiser U.S.S. Brooklyn" | Edward H. Hart 012 | 1900 | "U.S. Battleship Texas, chief petty officers" | Edward H. Hart 013 | 1900 | Chicago . "12th Street Bascule Bridge " 014 | 1900 | Charlevoix , Michigan . "Harbor entrance and light house" 015 | 1900 | "Car ferry 'Transport' entering slip, Detroit River " 016 | 1900 | Florida . "A landing on the Tomoka" | William Henry Jackson 017 | 1900 | "A bit of country life near Henryville , Pennsylvania — making soap" 018 | 1900 | " Brooklyn Bridge , East River " 019 | 1900 | New Jersey circa. "Bergen Tunnel, east end" 020 | 1900 | Chicago . "A walk in Lincoln Park " 021 | 1900 | Buffalo , New York . "Labor Day parade, Main Street " 022 | 1900 | "U.S.S. Oregon quarterdeck" | Edward H. Hart 023 | 1900 | "U.S.S. Chicago. One of the crew" 024 | 1901 | Buffalo , New York . "Unloading ore from whaleback carrier" 025 | 1901 | "Hanging rock on the Susquehanna near Danville , Pennsylvania " 026 | 1901 | Petoskey , Michigan . "Grand Rapids & Indiana R.R. station" 027 | 1901 | Detroit . "Excursion steamers Tashmoo and Idlewild at wharves" 029 | 1902 | "A happy family" 030 | 1902 | Iowa . "Chicago & North Western Railway — steel viaduct over Des Moines River " | William Henry Jackson 034 | 1904 | The Jersey Shore . "Steeplechase Pier and bathers, Atlantic City " 037 | 1905 | St. Clair , Michigan "Launch of steamer Frank J. Hecker" 041 | 1905 | Cleveland , Ohio . " Cuyahoga River from the Viaduct" 042 | 1905 | Buffalo , New York . "Jack-Knife Bridge, City Ship Canal , foot of Michigan Street " 043 | 1905 | The Detroit River . "Transfer steamer Detroit in the ice" 044 | 1905 | Houghton , Michigan . "Loading copper on steamer Juniata " 088 | 1912 | "Dime Savings Bank and Detroit City Hall " 093 | 1919 | Washington , D.C. " Alexandria shipyard views" | Harris & Ewing Collection 094 | 1920 | "Shad fishing on the Potomac " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72003	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Joseph F. Haenn

Joseph F. Haenn contact me...... have book printed..... where will you be at York..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72004	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: 20425 set question

Greetings, This past weekend I was fortunate to come across and purchase a 1958 20425 Keystone set in really good shape - box and contents. With one exception. The 21005 listed in the set description is a C-7 21004. The minor amount of use the engine exhibits is consistent with the rest of the cars, so I suspect this was a substitution at the factory when they didn't have enough 21005's to fill orders. I however have nothing to base that on other than other readings that indicate this was done with car numbers not matching car boxes, and other minor variation on filling set's. So, 1) do you think this is an accurate assessment of what happened, and 2) what does this do the set's desirability and value? (maybe I an now on the hunt for a 21005 in C-7 condition???) Thanks in advance Ben Colley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72005	From: snstrains	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: 20425 set question

There is evidence that the 21004 was cataloged as a 21005 and could have been as you suggest. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 4/8/2013 7:39:00 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, bencolley@... writes: Greetings, This past weekend I was fortunate to come across and purchase a 1958 20425 Keystone set in really good shape - box and contents. With one exception. The 21005 listed in the set description is a C-7 21004. The minor amount of use the engine exhibits is consistent with the rest of the cars, so I suspect this was a substitution at the factory when they didn't have enough 21005's to fill orders. I however have nothing to base that on other than other readings that indicate this was done with car numbers not matching car boxes, and other minor variation on filling set's. So, 1) do you think this is an accurate assessment of what happened, and 2) what does this do the set's desirability and value? (maybe I an now on the hunt for a 21005 in C-7 condition???) Thanks in advance Ben Colley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72006	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: 20425 set question

Ben, I checked the few resources I had and couldn't find anything concerning any type of substitution of the "04" for the "05", although you make a good point on substitutions. The only information I can tell you is that the "05" is slightly more desirable as far as a piece than the "04". The "04" came with the 1957 Keystone Rocket Set (20315) which had the 969 Rocket Launcher Flat Car, 805 PRR Gondola, and 806 AF Lines Caboose, as I'm sure you are aware. Whereas your set would come with 969 or 25045 Rocket Launcher, 24549 Erie Floodlight car, and 24626 AFL Caboose. I also believe that "05" had a white stripe on the side of the running board, whereas "04" didn't. I may have one other source to go to, I have to unpack it from some of my stored resources. If I find anything different I'll let you know. Good Luck with your quest. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben E. Colley" <bencolley@...> wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > This past weekend I was fortunate to come across and purchase a 1958 20425 > Keystone set in really good shape - box and contents. With one exception. > The 21005 listed in the set description is a C-7 21004. The minor amount of > use the engine exhibits is consistent with the rest of the cars, so I > suspect this was a substitution at the factory when they didn't have enough > 21005's to fill orders. I however have nothing to base that on other than > other readings that indicate this was done with car numbers not matching car > boxes, and other minor variation on filling set's. > > > > So, > > 1) do you think this is an accurate assessment of what happened, and > > 2) what does this do the set's desirability and value? (maybe I an now on > the hunt for a 21005 in C-7 condition???) > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Ben Colley > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72007	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: 20425 set question

Also Ben, the 05 did not have a light in the back of the tender like the 04. Take care. Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Allen Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 20425 set question Ben, I checked the few resources I had and couldn't find anything concerning any type of substitution of the "04" for the "05", although you make a good point on substitutions. The only information I can tell you is that the "05" is slightly more desirable as far as a piece than the "04". The "04" came with the 1957 Keystone Rocket Set (20315) which had the 969 Rocket Launcher Flat Car, 805 PRR Gondola, and 806 AF Lines Caboose, as I'm sure you are aware. Whereas your set would come with 969 or 25045 Rocket Launcher, 24549 Erie Floodlight car, and 24626 AFL Caboose. I also believe that "05" had a white stripe on the side of the running board, whereas "04" didn't. I may have one other source to go to, I have to unpack it from some of my stored resources. If I find anything different I'll let you know. Good Luck with your quest. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Ben E. Colley" <bencolley@...> wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > This past weekend I was fortunate to come across and purchase a 1958 20425 > Keystone set in really good shape - box and contents. With one exception. > The 21005 listed in the set description is a C-7 21004. The minor amount of > use the engine exhibits is consistent with the rest of the cars, so I > suspect this was a substitution at the factory when they didn't have enough > 21005's to fill orders. I however have nothing to base that on other than > other readings that indicate this was done with car numbers not matching car > boxes, and other minor variation on filling set's. > > > > So, > > 1) do you think this is an accurate assessment of what happened, and > > 2) what does this do the set's desirability and value? (maybe I an now on > the hunt for a 21005 in C-7 condition???) > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Ben Colley > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72008	From: Rich	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: 20425 set question

Ben -- For what its worth, the Doyle book (2007) and the Bubeck TM book (2000) both list the 21005 as the locomotive contained in the 20425 Keystone set. They also both list the rolling stock as 25045, 24626 and 24549, with Bubeck noting that sometimes the rocket launcher was a 969. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben E. Colley" <bencolley@...> wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > This past weekend I was fortunate to come across and purchase a 1958 20425 > Keystone set in really good shape - box and contents. With one exception. > The 21005 listed in the set description is a C-7 21004. The minor amount of > use the engine exhibits is consistent with the rest of the cars, so I > suspect this was a substitution at the factory when they didn't have enough > 21005's to fill orders. I however have nothing to base that on other than > other readings that indicate this was done with car numbers not matching car > boxes, and other minor variation on filling set's. > > > > So, > > 1) do you think this is an accurate assessment of what happened, and > > 2) what does this do the set's desirability and value? (maybe I an now on > the hunt for a 21005 in C-7 condition???) > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Ben Colley > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72009	From: Roger	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Link coupler problem

I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a different story. Help! Roger Huber

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72011	From: snstrains	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem

Easy to do with a couple of simple tools. The cars you refer to were originally link coupler cars that have been changed to knuckle coupler. You can do that with this one too. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 4/8/2013 3:29:56 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, huber25@... writes: I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a different story. Help! Roger Huber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72012	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem

Hi Roger. It is easy to replace the link coupler. You can order them from Doug Peck at Doug@... in MA. Most of 350's use the brass weight link coupler. He also has the tool used to change out the broken link and add the new one. Take care. Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a different story. Help! Roger Huber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72013	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem

I hate to say it but it is true portlines sale a repair kit for them I have had the same problem also and going to have to get the kit, but anyway uall I have a question also, is it bullfrog snot that you use to help the older engines to get a grip (what a pun) and where do you get it??? never seen it before. Also I have removed the ling coupler and replaced it with a knuckle but want to go back to link and portline the set to replace and repair, also replacement couplers. ________________________________ ________________________________ From: Roger <huber25@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 8, 2013 5:31:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a different story. Help! Roger Huber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72014	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem

The 1948 royal blue uses brass weighted links. The 1950 version uses black plastic weights. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> wrote: > Hi Roger. It is easy to replace the link coupler. You can order them from > Doug Peck at Doug@... in MA. Most of 350's use the brass weight > link coupler. He also has the tool used to change out the broken link and > add the new one. Take care. > > Bob > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Roger > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:52 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem > > I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy > wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link > coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace > a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split > pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a > different story. Help! > > Roger Huber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72015	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem

You can also buy Bullfrog Snot from doug@.... Have a great rest of the day. Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:20 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem I hate to say it but it is true portlines sale a repair kit for them I have had the same problem also and going to have to get the kit, but anyway uall I have a question also, is it bullfrog snot that you use to help the older engines to get a grip (what a pun) and where do you get it??? never seen it before. Also I have removed the ling coupler and replaced it with a knuckle but want to go back to link and portline the set to replace and repair, also replacement couplers. ________________________________ ________________________________ From: Roger <huber25@... <mailto:huber25%40att.net> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, April 8, 2013 5:31:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a different story. Help! Roger Huber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72016	From: Roger Huber	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem

Mine must be a 1948 version then. Thanks for the help and link to Port Lines. Roger Huber --- On Mon, 4/8/13, Rich Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: From: Rich Falzini <rfalzini@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 11:36 PM   The 1948 royal blue uses brass weighted links. The 1950 version uses black plastic weights. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> wrote: > Hi Roger. It is easy to replace the link coupler. You can order them from > Doug Peck at Doug@... in MA. Most of 350's use the brass weight > link coupler. He also has the tool used to change out the broken link and > add the new one. Take care. > > Bob > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Roger > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:52 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem > > I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy > wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link > coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace > a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split > pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a > different story. Help! > > Roger Huber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72017	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem

1948 Royal Blues use the brass weight 1950 Royal Blues use black plastic weight Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> wrote: > Hi Roger. It is easy to replace the link coupler. You can order them from > Doug Peck at Doug@... in MA. Most of 350's use the brass weight > link coupler. He also has the tool used to change out the broken link and > add the new one. Take care. > > Bob > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Roger > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:52 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem > > I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy > wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link > coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace > a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split > pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a > different story. Help! > > Roger Huber > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72018	From: acgtx1	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: 1915 Prelude to "Unstoppable" - Hazards of Helen

Good Evening! Many of you may be familiar with the film starring Denzel Washington, which depicted heroic efforts to board and stop an unmanned runaway freight train in Pennsylvania. Today, I happened across a 1915 silent film on YouTube, which you may be familiar with, which apparently was one episode of a serial depicting the exploits and adventures of a young heroine, "Helen." When I watched this 9 minute clip, I could not help but think that this much earlier film may in some part have served as an inspiration to the writers and producers of Unstoppable. Take a look - No CGI or other contemporary special effects in this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLr3ZgtHEuk&feature=player_embedded A search at YouTube will reveal other episodes of the Hazards of Helen series. I have not yet had an opportunity to watch them but intend to do so. If this is all old news, please disregard. But if you have not seen and enjoy a little nostalgia featuring railroad action, enjoy! Best Regards to all! Art Cooper Richardson, TX

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72019	From: Pat	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: sound generator

Does anyone know where I could locate at sound genrator to reproduce the sound of a crossing gate/signals? Pat, in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72020	From: calleytwo	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem

Interestingly Steve I begin to get a sniff of increasing interest in these columns in people wanting to accumulate and run the old original type Flyer stock with die cast locos and link couplers. To my wife and non train friends or even non Flyer train friends they are more interesting than the plastic, knuckle coupler stuff. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem   Easy to do with a couple of simple tools. The cars you refer to were originally link coupler cars that have been changed to knuckle coupler. You can do that with this one too. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 4/8/2013 3:29:56 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, huber25@... [1] writes: I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a different story. Help! Roger Huber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:huber25%40att.net [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbDlkNW5uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjAxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjU0NjQwNjA-?act=reply&messageNum=72011 [3] mailto:Boss31@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Link%20coupler%20problem [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Link%20coupler%20problem [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaTc2bmJtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjU0NjQwNjA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72009;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MTByMGhmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjAxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjU0NjQwNjAEdHBjSWQDNzIwMDk- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkOWx2czBtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY1NDY0MDYw?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcGlvMXJoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY1NDY0MDYw [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYjY1YWRjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2NTQ2NDA2MA-- [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMGFjZGpqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjU0NjQwNjA- [11] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaDdvMG1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NTQ2NDA2MA-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [17] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72021	From: Rich Falzini	Date: 4/8/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem

Well the 1948 has wire hand rails and the 1950 are cast hand rails Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Roger Huber <huber25@...> wrote: > Mine must be a 1948 version then. Thanks for the help and link to Port Lines. > Roger Huber > > --- On Mon, 4/8/13, Rich Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: > > From: Rich Falzini <rfalzini@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 11:36 PM > > > > The 1948 royal blue uses brass weighted links. > > The 1950 version uses black plastic weights. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> wrote: > > > Hi Roger. It is easy to replace the link coupler. You can order them from > > Doug Peck at Doug@... in MA. Most of 350's use the brass weight > > link coupler. He also has the tool used to change out the broken link and > > add the new one. Take care. > > > > Bob > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > > Of Roger > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:52 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem > > > > I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy > > wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link > > coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace > > a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split > > pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a > > different story. Help! > > > > Roger Huber > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72022	From: Roger Huber	Date: 4/9/2013
Subject: Re: Link coupler problem

Mine has wire handrails and the brass weight so I guess it is the 1948 version. Thanks, everyone.   Roger Huber   - On Tue, 4/9/13, Rich Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: From: Rich Falzini <rfalzini@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013, 2:19 AM   Well the 1948 has wire hand rails and the 1950 are cast hand rails Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Roger Huber <huber25@...> wrote: > Mine must be a 1948 version then. Thanks for the help and link to Port Lines. > Roger Huber > > --- On Mon, 4/8/13, Rich Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: > > From: Rich Falzini <rfalzini@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 11:36 PM > > > > The 1948 royal blue uses brass weighted links. > > The 1950 version uses black plastic weights. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:54 PM, "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> wrote: > > > Hi Roger. It is easy to replace the link coupler. You can order them from > > Doug Peck at Doug@... in MA. Most of 350's use the brass weight > > link coupler. He also has the tool used to change out the broken link and > > add the new one. Take care. > > > > Bob > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > > Of Roger > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:52 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Link coupler problem > > > > I just bought a 350 on ebay. I think the price was pretty good but the guy > > wasn't very good at packing. The beastie showed up with the tender Link > > coupler crushed and broken into 4 parts. How hard is it to find and replace > > a Link coupler? I have some cars with knuckle couplers and they have a split > > pin through them and they look easy to change but the Link seems to be a > > different story. Help! > > > > Roger Huber > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72023	From: Frank	Date: 4/9/2013
Subject: Re: 1915 Prelude to "Unstoppable" - Hazards of Helen

The true unstoppable was in PA. Frank On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:00 PM, "acgtx1" <greenjumpertx@...> wrote: > Good Evening! > > Many of you may be familiar with the film starring Denzel Washington, which depicted heroic efforts to board and stop an unmanned runaway freight train in Pennsylvania. Today, I happened across a 1915 silent film on YouTube, which you may be familiar with, which apparently was one episode of a serial depicting the exploits and adventures of a young heroine, "Helen." > > When I watched this 9 minute clip, I could not help but think that this much earlier film may in some part have served as an inspiration to the writers and producers of Unstoppable. Take a look - No CGI or other contemporary special effects in this one... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLr3ZgtHEuk&feature=player_embedded > > A search at YouTube will reveal other episodes of the Hazards of Helen series. I have not yet had an opportunity to watch them but intend to do so. > > If this is all old news, please disregard. But if you have not seen and enjoy a little nostalgia featuring railroad action, enjoy! > > Best Regards to all! > > Art Cooper > Richardson, TX > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72024	From: Edward Sauers	Date: 4/9/2013
Subject: B&O Hopper Decals

Group,   I have just about completed the artwork for B&O hopper decals that will cover twins, triples and quad hoppers, the set will do 3 to 4 cars and cover the 1940s thru 1958.   If Interested please contact me OFFLIST at edsauers@...  for pricing and a copy of the artwork.   Thanks   Ed Sauers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72025	From: Jim Alessio	Date: 4/9/2013
Subject: Re: 1915 Prelude to "Unstoppable" - Hazards of Helen

The movie 'Unstoppable' is based on a runaway CSX train incident in western Ohio. The movie was filmed in eastern Ohio and Pennsylvania. Jim Alessio On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote: > ** > > > The true unstoppable was in PA. > > Frank > > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:00 PM, "acgtx1" <greenjumpertx@...> wrote: > > > Good Evening! > > > > Many of you may be familiar with the film starring Denzel Washington, > which depicted heroic efforts to board and stop an unmanned runaway freight > train in Pennsylvania. Today, I happened across a 1915 silent film on > YouTube, which you may be familiar with, which apparently was one episode > of a serial depicting the exploits and adventures of a young heroine, > "Helen." > > > > When I watched this 9 minute clip, I could not help but think that this > much earlier film may in some part have served as an inspiration to the > writers and producers of Unstoppable. Take a look - No CGI or other > contemporary special effects in this one... > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLr3ZgtHEuk&feature=player_embedded > > > > A search at YouTube will reveal other episodes of the Hazards of Helen > series. I have not yet had an opportunity to watch them but intend to do so. > > > > If this is all old news, please disregard. But if you have not seen and > enjoy a little nostalgia featuring railroad action, enjoy! > > > > Best Regards to all! > > > > Art Cooper > > Richardson, TX > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Jim Alessio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72026	From: John	Date: 4/9/2013
Subject: Installing shorting plugs to SHS switcher engines to run better on D

I've recently converted my power from AC to DC (I'm now using a SHS DC 5400 transformer). I could use some advice about whether to install the DC shorting plug that came with the engines. Both engines run better now on DC than they did on AC, but there must be some advantages to installing the shorting plug that might make things better still. I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the effort to install the plugs. What will I gain if I install the shorting plug? Will I be loosing anything (e.g. not being able to run on AC at other location) if I install the shorting plug. Is it a "no brainer" and I should just do it or are there trade offs to be considered. It may be relevant to know that I hope to buy a DCC system somewhere down the road and equip these engines with DCC decoder boards. I also have two SHS engines that are DCC equipped and two older original Flyer engines that still have their original universal motors that run on either AC or DC. Any advice on when or if to install the plugs would be appreciated. John Zurad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72027	From: Dr Trains	Date: 4/10/2013
Subject: LOOking for part

Looking for S-Scale America / DesPlaines / PRS 3 bay ribbed hopper frame with truck bolsters and coupler pads. Need one...was not in kit I bought from dealer...dealer said ..."tough luck"... painted/unpainted/any color fine. This is the same model now offered RTR on DesPlaines Hobbies web site. Thanks, Peter Loeb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72028	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/10/2013
Subject: Wrecked Die-Cast Vehicles - Photos

Hi All, I finally got around to taking some photos of the die-cast vehicles I attacked with a ball-peen hammer. These were my first attempts at modeling wrecked vehicles. I removed some doors, some hoods, the frames and started strategically beating them with the ball end of a small ball-peen hammer. In case this didn't work I had several larger, heavier ball-peen hammers in reserve, but the smallest one did just fine. You can see the photos starting here: http://tinyurl.com/BG1wrecks Be sure to check out the hybrid! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72029	From: Eric	Date: 4/10/2013
Subject: More s train cars for sale!

I purchased a large S train Estate I and intend to sell some of the parts. 6 engines remain: All are hyrail, am dummy type couplers and in original boxes with foam. They are all are AC powered. They all have been test run. Also I will check for any defects before final agreement. 1. sold 2. AM SD60 CSX 8759 $165 3. AM SD60 CSX 8701 $165 4. AM SD60 GATX silver/blue 855 - $165 5. sold�. 6. sold�. 7. sold�. 8. sold�. 9. AM GP7 with widecab from SD60? Not that bad. BN $70 10. AM Baldwin BN repaint $75 11. Baldwin shell BN with sheet metal base and trucks not powered. $35 - no box. 12. sold� 13 .sold�. And for some QUANTITY sales! Here are 110 cars and trailers I would like to get about $15-25 each plus shipping in quantity.(I won�t , but I would like to, and it should be close). A little less on the tankers and loads, a little more on the Box cars and flats. Make me an offer on a bunch. Everything should be high rail wheels with kadee style couplers. I do not have any knuckle couplers for them at this time. I will go through them checking for defects it you want to purchase. These all have boxes and almost all have the inserts. I don't have a lot of time right now so would like to sell a lot of this in quantity instead of one or 2 at a time. MAKE ME AN OFFER! Paypal and checks work. 14: 30 - American Models CDHoppers -Various lines 15: 15 - American Models 50 foot box cars mostly BN green 16: 27 - American Models Tank Cars 17: 18 - American Models? Cast metal Trailer loads- heavy-no wheels 18: 9 - American Models long Gondolas 19: 6 - American models Flat Cars - vatious loads 20: 5 - S Scale America 48 foot containers That's 23 containers/loads and 87 cars. Make me an offer! Add postage - USPS which has gotten more expensive. I can take pictures and I have tested the engines to make sure they run. Thanks! Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa 98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72030	From: David	Date: 4/11/2013
Subject: Inexpensive Decals Are Here! (Advertisement)

We are now offering a line of very inexpensive custom decals. Your choice of decals, your road names, your numbers in BLACK ONLY and purchased by the sheet (8.5" x 11" less .5" borders top & bottom) for only $34.50 per sheet including shipping in CONUS. Email order to Larry at: lbrenterprisesllc@... <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...> Please allow up to 30 working days for delivery. Thank you all for your time. Larry at LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72031	From: Ben Serzo	Date: 4/11/2013
Subject: Re: More s train cars for sale!

Hi Eric, I would like to purchase the following for $250 plus shipping. let me know if this is good for you and how much the shipping will be? 10. AM Baldwin BN repaint $75 11. Baldwin shell BN with sheet metal base and trucks not powered. $35 - no box. 19: 6 - American models Flat Cars - vatious loads Ben Serzo bensguage 1733 Lafayette Drive Jamison, PA 18929 > To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com; S-trains@yahoogroups.com; AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com > From: ericrhere@... > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:09:57 -0700 > Subject: [S-Trains] More s train cars for sale! > > I purchased a large S train Estate I and intend to sell some of the parts. > > 6 engines remain: All are hyrail, am dummy type couplers and in original > boxes with foam. They are all are AC powered. They all have > been test run. Also I will check for any defects before final agreement. > > > 1. sold > > 2. AM SD60 CSX 8759 $165 > > 3. AM SD60 CSX 8701 $165 > > 4. AM SD60 GATX silver/blue 855 - $165 > > 5. sold�. > > 6. sold�. > > 7. sold�. > > 8. sold�. > > 9. AM GP7 with widecab from SD60? Not that bad. BN $70 > > 10. AM Baldwin BN repaint $75 > > 11. Baldwin shell BN with sheet metal base and trucks not powered. $35 - no > box. > > 12. sold� > > 13 .sold�. > > > > And for some QUANTITY sales! Here are 110 cars and trailers I would like > to get about $15-25 each plus shipping in quantity.(I won�t , but I would > like to, and it should be close). A little less on the tankers and loads, > a little more on the Box cars and flats. Make me an offer on a > bunch. Everything > should be high rail wheels with kadee style couplers. I do not have any > knuckle couplers for them at this time. I will go through them checking > for defects it you want to purchase. These all have boxes and almost all > have the inserts. I don't have a lot of time right now so would like to > sell a lot of this in quantity instead of one or 2 at a time. MAKE ME AN > OFFER! Paypal and checks work. > > > > 14: 30 - American Models CDHoppers -Various lines > > 15: 15 - American Models 50 foot box cars mostly BN green > > 16: 27 - American Models Tank Cars > > 17: 18 - American Models? Cast metal Trailer loads- heavy-no wheels > > 18: 9 - American Models long Gondolas > > 19: 6 - American models Flat Cars - vatious loads > > 20: 5 - S Scale America 48 foot containers > > > > That's 23 containers/loads and 87 cars. > > > > > > Make me an offer! Add postage - USPS which has gotten more expensive. I > can take pictures and I have tested the engines to make sure they run. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Eric Reis > > Kenmore, Wa 98028 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72032	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 4/11/2013
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Decals Are Here! (Advertisement)

Larry, Black Only.meaning including the decals too or just the numbers? I am assuming if you want Maine Central Green and Gold or Maroon and Gold style striping (MEC and B&M from the early 50s) for Geeps, E7s, RS2s, RS3s, and F3s that this would not be available right? Just figured I would ask. Best Regards Paul Krause From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:24 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Inexpensive Decals Are Here! (Advertisement) We are now offering a line of very inexpensive custom decals. Your choice of decals, your road names, your numbers in BLACK ONLY and purchased by the sheet (8.5" x 11" less .5" borders top & bottom) for only $34.50 per sheet including shipping in CONUS. Email order to Larry at: lbrenterprisesllc@... <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc%40yahoo.com> <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@... <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc%40yahoo.com> > Please allow up to 30 working days for delivery. Thank you all for your time. Larry at LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72033	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 4/11/2013
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Decals Are Here! (Advertisement)

Paul,      You are correct. Larry   --- On Thu, 4/11/13, Paul A Krause <pakrause5@...> wrote: From: Paul A Krause <pakrause5@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Inexpensive Decals Are Here! (Advertisement) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 1:00 PM   Larry, Black Only.meaning including the decals too or just the numbers? I am assuming if you want Maine Central Green and Gold or Maroon and Gold style striping (MEC and B&M from the early 50s) for Geeps, E7s, RS2s, RS3s, and F3s that this would not be available right? Just figured I would ask. Best Regards Paul Krause From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:24 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Inexpensive Decals Are Here! (Advertisement) We are now offering a line of very inexpensive custom decals. Your choice of decals, your road names, your numbers in BLACK ONLY and purchased by the sheet (8.5" x 11" less .5" borders top & bottom) for only $34.50 per sheet including shipping in CONUS. Email order to Larry at: lbrenterprisesllc@... <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc%40yahoo.com> <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@... <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc%40yahoo.com> > Please allow up to 30 working days for delivery. Thank you all for your time. Larry at LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72034	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of these. I dropped the price too! See them at; http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3-Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72035	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: S-Helper Boxed Sets

Questions for the group. Are the boxed sets that S-Helper put out hard to come by in Excellent condition? What year did they start these boxed sets? Are some harder to find than others? Tahnks Harwood See you at York [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72036	From: Frank	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets

The first one was a Conrail SW 9 set. Sold as a set with track and transformer in separate boxes. Frank On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:34 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Questions for the group. Are the boxed sets that S-Helper put out hard to come by in Excellent condition? What year did they start these boxed sets? Are some harder to find than others? > > Tahnks > Harwood > > See you at York > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72037	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: A.F. Burlington Zephyr

I am in the process of buying an American Flyer Burlington Zephyr. As many of you know, the exhaust stacks warped & eventually broke off. I contacted Doug at Portlines, and he said he was out of the flat exhaust stacks for this aluminum O gauge part. Does anyone know of someone that might carry this part? Thanks, Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72038	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets

Harwood, I believe the initial offering was in 2000, I have a Chessie set (#00424) which did not come in the pre-packaged green and yellow SHS packaging. This set came in a SHS labelled cardboard carton. There were 4 sets released that year Conrail - 00421, BN - 00422; ATSF - 00423, and the Chessie. In also have 2 others, the No. Pacific set - 00462 and the MEC set - 01046, both in the pre-packaged sets. I haven't seen any sets at the shows I've been to in the past couple years, and so I can't speak to quality of those that may be available. If avaialable, I would assume there would be some quality sets found at the TCA shows in York. Good Luck, they are well worth the investment. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > Questions for the group. Are the boxed sets that S-Helper put out hard to come by in Excellent condition? What year did they start these boxed sets? Are some harder to find than others? > > Tahnks > Harwood > > See you at York > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72039	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: A.F. Burlington Zephyr

Try Olsens....I'll try to find their link...But Google it as I will, Mike In a message dated 4/12/2013 3:44:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gmichael.leahy@... writes: I am in the process of buying an American Flyer Burlington Zephyr. As many of you know, the exhaust stacks warped & eventually broke off. I contacted Doug at Portlines, and he said he was out of the flat exhaust stacks for this aluminum O gauge part. Does anyone know of someone that might carry this part? Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72040	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets

Fred¹s Train Shop in Overland Park, KS has a new, mint in the box SHS Frisco set. www.fredstrainshop.com Roy Inman From: Steven Allen <allens1017@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 22:41:30 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets Harwood, I believe the initial offering was in 2000, I have a Chessie set (#00424) which did not come in the pre-packaged green and yellow SHS packaging. This set came in a SHS labelled cardboard carton. There were 4 sets released that year Conrail - 00421, BN - 00422; ATSF - 00423, and the Chessie. In also have 2 others, the No. Pacific set - 00462 and the MEC set - 01046, both in the pre-packaged sets. I haven't seen any sets at the shows I've been to in the past couple years, and so I can't speak to quality of those that may be available. If avaialable, I would assume there would be some quality sets found at the TCA shows in York. Good Luck, they are well worth the investment. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > Questions for the group. Are the boxed sets that S-Helper put out hard to come by in Excellent condition? What year did they start these boxed sets? Are some harder to find than others? > > Tahnks > Harwood > > See you at York > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72041	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: A.F. Burlington Zephyr

Hi Mike, � Try Ron Leventon, Chehalis, WA � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Michael Leahy <gmichael.leahy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. Burlington Zephyr   I am in the process of buying an American Flyer Burlington Zephyr. As many of you know, the exhaust stacks warped & eventually broke off. I contacted Doug at Portlines, and he said he was out of the flat exhaust stacks for this aluminum O gauge part. Does anyone know of someone that might carry this part? Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72042	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets

Harwood, I did some checking and found that Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby (www.portlines.com) has 1 "New" set available. It is the Frisco set #01910, which comes complete with an SW-1 engine, 5 cars, track and transformer. $359.00 plus shipping and if you reside in MA, add 6.25% tax. Comtact Doug if interested. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > Questions for the group. Are the boxed sets that S-Helper put out hard to come by in Excellent condition? What year did they start these boxed sets? Are some harder to find than others? > > Tahnks > Harwood > > See you at York > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72043	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: LINK TO OLSEN'S

_Lionel Toy Train Parts - Original & Repro - from OTTP: Olsen's Toy Train Parts_ (http://olsenstoy.com/) Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72044	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: More warehouses...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3-Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121094174265?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31c67639

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72045	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

list: these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after declaring that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet today he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your money mel perry On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > Randy Pepprock > Downtown Deco > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72046	From: nightshift.geo	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Scratchbuilt S Scale on E Bay...NightshiftArt

Hello, just a quick note..on E Bay (Nightshiftart) I have a BUNCH of scratchbuilt 1/64 scale items.....Garages, vehicles, etc. The newest is an old barn/John Deere tractor scene, 11' square base.I think it's really nice. Ron H., NightshiftArt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72047	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Boxed Sets

Thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: Frank <femiro2002@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 12, 2013 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper Boxed Sets The first one was a Conrail SW 9 set. Sold as a set with track and transformer in separate boxes. Frank On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:34 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Questions for the group. Are the boxed sets that S-Helper put out hard to come by in Excellent condition? What year did they start these boxed sets? Are some harder to find than others? > > Tahnks > Harwood > > See you at York > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72048	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: The Reading Project

Since I've been running mostly Reading locos and cabooses I decided to follow that theme with a few Famous Reading Anthracite logos snagged off the internet. They're printed on 110lb paper with stick-on magnets added to the back. http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/readingization/752.JPG http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/readingization/seaboard.JPG Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72049	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: The Reading Project

Brady, Good idea! Looks nice. Obie To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com From: bradyburdge@... Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:02:08 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] The Reading Project Since I've been running mostly Reading locos and cabooses I decided to follow that theme with a few Famous Reading Anthracite logos snagged off the internet. They're printed on 110lb paper with stick-on magnets added to the back. http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/readingization/752.JPG http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/readingization/seaboard.JPG Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72050	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

Sorry you feel that way Mel. This sort of antagonistic attitude reminds me why I haven't put any effort into releasing new product for S Scale. Ramndy Pepprock Downtown Deco --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote: > > list: > these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after > declaring > that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet > today > he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your > money > mel perry > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > > > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > > > Randy Pepprock > > Downtown Deco > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72051	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: The Reading Project

brady: and i'll bet that the clever's appreciate your business also mel perry On Apr 13, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Brady Burdge wrote: > Since I've been running mostly Reading locos and cabooses I decided > to follow that theme with a few Famous Reading Anthracite logos > snagged off the internet. They're printed on 110lb paper with stick- > on magnets added to the back. > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/ > readingization/752.JPG > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/ > readingization/seaboard.JPG > > Brady > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72052	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

Please keep offering the products.  While I'm not personally interested (I do cardstock)  it sounds like there are others who are. How about it folks? Brady ________________________________ From: sioneli80 <downtowndeco@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 3:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?   Sorry you feel that way Mel. This sort of antagonistic attitude reminds me why I haven't put any effort into releasing new product for S Scale. Ramndy Pepprock Downtown Deco --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote: > > list: > these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after > declaring > that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet > today > he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your > money > mel perry > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > > > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > > > Randy Pepprock > > Downtown Deco > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72053	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

Randy, I went to the link that you listed and it says that the link has been removed. Is the auction over? I generally don't do eBay anymore because of Paypal, but would like to see what you're offering. I'm always interested in background flats that can be worked into "S". Do you have another link I could go to to see what you have. I have and still do work with your building sections as needed on my layout. Regards, Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sioneli80" <downtowndeco@...> wrote: > > Sorry you feel that way Mel. This sort of antagonistic attitude reminds me why I haven't put any effort into releasing new product for S Scale. > > Ramndy Pepprock > Downtown Deco > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@" <clipper841@> wrote: > > > > list: > > these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after > > declaring > > that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet > > today > > he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your > > money > > mel perry > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > > > > > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > > > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > > > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > > > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > > > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > > > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > > > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > > > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > > > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > > > > > Randy Pepprock > > > Downtown Deco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72054	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/14/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72055	From: Herbert	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

Don't let these comments get you down. At 34 feet tall, it looks like it fits in for anyone looking for that type of structure. s gauge needs more products, not nasty comments. You're not forcing anyone to but, and you have good feedback. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sioneli80" <downtowndeco@...> wrote: > > Sorry you feel that way Mel. This sort of antagonistic attitude reminds me why I haven't put any effort into releasing new product for S Scale. > > Ramndy Pepprock > Downtown Deco > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@" <clipper841@> wrote: > > > > list: > > these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after > > declaring > > that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet > > today > > he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your > > money > > mel perry > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > > > > > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > > > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > > > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > > > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > > > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > > > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > > > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > > > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > > > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > > > > > Randy Pepprock > > > Downtown Deco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72056	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: The Reading Project

Mel The houses are all from the same kit, it has several variations. Buy once, print many.. Brady Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> Sent: Sat Apr 13 16:00:03 CDT 2013 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Reading Project brady: and i'll bet that the clever's appreciate your business also mel perry On Apr 13, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Brady Burdge wrote: > Since I've been running mostly Reading locos and cabooses I decided > to follow that theme with a few Famous Reading Anthracite logos > snagged off the internet. They're printed on 110lb paper with stick- > on magnets added to the back. > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/ > readingization/752.JPG > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/ > readingization/seaboard.JPG > > Brady > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72057	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Herbert, I agree with you. Downtown Deco has some good kits in both "N" and "HO". I have seen both. We all need to stop with all of the negative remarks or "S" will be known as the Kit bash scale once again. I know we are all waiting on Pine Canyon To get back in full swing with what they offer. Give them time. If you want something they once had, let them know and we may see it back in stock.          Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: Herbert <hwass@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?   Don't let these comments get you down. At 34 feet tall, it looks like it fits in for anyone looking for that type of structure. s gauge needs more products, not nasty comments. You're not forcing anyone to but, and you have good feedback. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sioneli80" <downtowndeco@...> wrote: > > Sorry you feel that way Mel. This sort of antagonistic attitude reminds me why I haven't put any effort into releasing new product for S Scale. > > Ramndy Pepprock > Downtown Deco > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@" <clipper841@> wrote: > > > > list: > > these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after > > declaring > > that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet > > today > > he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your > > money > > mel perry > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > > > > > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > > > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > > > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > > > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > > > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > > > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > > > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > > > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > > > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > > > > > Randy Pepprock > > > Downtown Deco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72058	From: bkweidner	Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

Hello I took a look at the item in question and thought if I had the money to spend that they would make a great background flat. You can not judge an entire segment of the hobby by one negative post. As for kit bashing and scratch building goes that is a major part of the hobby that a lot of people miss out on as kits become scarece and the RTR takes over. There is still a place for manufacturers of kits and even built ups in S. So constructive criticism would be more helpful then bashing those who are testing the waters before making a big commitment. --- On Sat, 4/13/13, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse? To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, April 13, 2013, 10:31 PM   From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Herbert, I agree with you. Downtown Deco has some good kits in both "N" and "HO". I have seen both. We all need to stop with all of the negative remarks or "S" will be known as the Kit bash scale once again. I know we are all waiting on Pine Canyon To get back in full swing with what they offer. Give them time. If you want something they once had, let them know and we may see it back in stock.          Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: Herbert <hwass@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?   Don't let these comments get you down. At 34 feet tall, it looks like it fits in for anyone looking for that type of structure. n>>;s gauge needs more products, not nasty comments. You're not forcing anyone to but, and you have good feedback. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sioneli80" <downtowndeco@...> wrote: > > Sorry you feel that way Mel. This sort of antagonistic attitude reminds me why I haven't put any effort into releasing new product for S Scale. > > Ramndy Pepprock > Downtown Deco > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@" <clipper841@> wrote: > > > > list: > > these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after > > declaring > > that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet > > today > > he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your > > money > > mel perry > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > > > > > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > > > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > > > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > > > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > > > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > > > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > > > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > > > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > > > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > > > > > Randy Pepprock > > > Downtown Deco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72059	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

If you're interested in just a false front, we have some of Randy's front wall castings for this structure, but not the entire structure. <<<I went to the link that you listed and it says that the link has been removed. Is the auction over? I generally don't do eBay anymore because of Paypal, but would like to see what you're offering. I'm always interested in background flats that can be worked into "S".>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72060	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

Thank Herb, I appreciate it. Like I said, I've sold a lot of these & people tell me they work great for S Scale so I figure why not? Cheers. Randy Pepprock DD --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert" <hwass@...> wrote: > > Don't let these comments get you down. At 34 feet tall, it looks like it fits in for anyone looking for that type of structure. > s gauge needs more products, not nasty comments. You're not forcing anyone to but, and you have good feedback. > Herb Wasserman > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sioneli80" <downtowndeco@> wrote: > > > > Sorry you feel that way Mel. This sort of antagonistic attitude reminds me why I haven't put any effort into releasing new product for S Scale. > > > > Ramndy Pepprock > > Downtown Deco > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@" <clipper841@> wrote: > > > > > > list: > > > these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after > > > declaring > > > that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet > > > today > > > he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your > > > money > > > mel perry > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > > > > > > > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > > > > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > > > > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > > > > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > > > > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > > > > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > > > > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > > > > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > > > > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > > > > > > > Randy Pepprock > > > > Downtown Deco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72061	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

Alan, You are right, the negative comments do not help. Us manufacturers talk among ourselves at the trade shows & it seems to be universally agreed that S Scale is a tough market. It is always clamoring for products yet when manufacturers do stick out their neck & put the time & effort into producing something in S the response is often weak. I think the word I would use is finicky. I suppose that is true of all the scales but the S scale share of the market is so small to begin with that it is really magnified. Randy Pepprock DD --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >           Fort Worth, Texas > > Herbert, > > I agree with you. Downtown Deco has some good kits in both "N" and "HO". I have seen both. We all need to stop with all of the negative remarks or "S" will be known as the Kit bash scale once again. I know we are all waiting on Pine Canyon To get back in full swing with what they offer. Give them time. If you want something they once had, let them know and we may see it back in stock. >          Alan Lambert > >   > > > > ________________________________ > From: Herbert <hwass@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:01 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse? > > > >   > Don't let these comments get you down. At 34 feet tall, it looks like it fits in for anyone looking for that type of structure. > s gauge needs more products, not nasty comments. You're not forcing anyone to but, and you have good feedback. > Herb Wasserman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sioneli80" <downtowndeco@> wrote: > > > > Sorry you feel that way Mel. This sort of antagonistic attitude reminds me why I haven't put any effort into releasing new product for S Scale. > > > > Ramndy Pepprock > > Downtown Deco > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@" <clipper841@> wrote: > > > > > > list: > > > these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after > > > declaring > > > that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet > > > today > > > he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your > > > money > > > mel perry > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > > > > > > > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > > > > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > > > > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > > > > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > > > > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > > > > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > > > > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > > > > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > > > > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > > > > > > > Randy Pepprock > > > > Downtown Deco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72062	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

Hi Steven, Here you go, I think the other one expired. Cheers! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3-Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121094723033?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31ced5d9 Randy Pepprock DD --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@...> wrote: > > Randy, > > I went to the link that you listed and it says that the link has been removed. Is the auction over? I generally don't do eBay anymore because of Paypal, but would like to see what you're offering. I'm always interested in background flats that can be worked into "S". Do you have another link I could go to to see what you have. I have and still do work with your building sections as needed on my layout. > > Regards, > > Steven Allen > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sioneli80" <downtowndeco@> wrote: > > > > Sorry you feel that way Mel. This sort of antagonistic attitude reminds me why I haven't put any effort into releasing new product for S Scale. > > > > Ramndy Pepprock > > Downtown Deco > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@" <clipper841@> wrote: > > > > > > list: > > > these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after > > > declaring > > > that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet > > > today > > > he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your > > > money > > > mel perry > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > > > > > > > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > > > > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > > > > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > > > > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > > > > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > > > > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > > > > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > > > > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > > > > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > > > > > > > Randy Pepprock > > > > Downtown Deco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72063	From: Martin	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

Mel, I’m so sorry to hear your comments. I was a guest of Mr. Pepprock at his small establishment sometime ago, I’d reckon 10 – 12 years back, when I was in his area on vacation. He is an energetic small businessman, making a living how he can & selling what he can. S is a small market share in the Model Railroad hobby, but we should embrace his return to S scale, not bash him for making a business decision that steered him away in the past. He makes wonderful castings & hopefully I’ll be able to obtain more in the future. Randy, I’m happy to see your return to S scale offerings, I truly hope to see more, any help or photos I can assist with, don’t’ be afraid to ask. Marty (Yonson) Boomer back in Minnesota, after roaming the rails from Montana back thru the Upper Mid-west. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72064	From: sioneli80	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

Thanks. I am looking at producing a Colorado themed series in O, HO & S. Change the signs & you could use them in any town. Randy Pepprock DD --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote: > > Hello I took a look at the item in question and thought if I had the money to spend that they would make a great background flat. You can not judge an entire segment of the hobby by one negative post. As for kit bashing and scratch building goes that is a major part of the hobby that a lot of people miss out on as kits become scarece and the RTR takes over. There is still a place for manufacturers of kits and even built ups in S. So constructive criticism would be more helpful then bashing those who are testing the waters before making a big commitment. > > --- On Sat, 4/13/13, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > > > From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse? > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, April 13, 2013, 10:31 PM > > > >   > > > > From: Alan Lambert >           Fort Worth, Texas > > Herbert, > > I agree with you. Downtown Deco has some good kits in both "N" and "HO". I have seen both. We all need to stop with all of the negative remarks or "S" will be known as the Kit bash scale once again. I know we are all waiting on Pine Canyon To get back in full swing with what they offer. Give them time. If you want something they once had, let them know and we may see it back in stock. >          Alan Lambert > >   > > ________________________________ > From: Herbert <hwass@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:01 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse? > > >   > Don't let these comments get you down. At 34 feet tall, it looks like it fits in for anyone looking for that type of structure. n>>;s gauge needs more products, not nasty comments. You're not forcing anyone to but, and you have good feedback. > Herb Wasserman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sioneli80" <downtowndeco@> wrote: > > > > Sorry you feel that way Mel. This sort of antagonistic attitude reminds me why I haven't put any effort into releasing new product for S Scale. > > > > Ramndy Pepprock > > Downtown Deco > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clipper841@" <clipper841@> wrote: > > > > > > list: > > > these adds are from a company who got out of "s" years ago, after > > > declaring > > > that he wouldn't return, because he couldn't make any money, and yet > > > today > > > he is pandering his "other" scale wares as "s"?, go figure, save your > > > money > > > mel perry > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 1:30 PM, sioneli80 wrote: > > > > > > > I cast up a few more sets of these & they're ready to go. These > > > > were originally from an HO Scale kit but they are large HO Scale, > > > > if you know what I mean. Actual size of each casting is 6 1/4" tall > > > > x 11 1/2" long. I've sold about 50 sets of these to S Scalers & > > > > have been getting great feedback so I guess they like 'em. : ) You > > > > get six total so you could make a huge industrial flat out of > > > > these. I dropped the price too! See them at; > > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3- > > > > Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121091028264? > > > > pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c31967528 > > > > > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! > > > > > > > > Randy Pepprock > > > > Downtown Deco > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72065	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/14/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 14, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72066	From: Ben	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: "Pre-York" meets

Hey folks: Don't mean to get all TCA on you here, but which venues/fire halls/hotels are open tomorrow (Monday) for pre-York shows? I am hoping all or most of them. I can't attend the meet and can only make it over tomorrow. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72067	From: Eric	Date: 4/14/2013
Subject: S Trains For Sale, AM and SSA

Below is my updated list from the estate I purchased a few weeks ago. Please let me know OFF LIST if you have any interest in any of the cars. They are all lightly used, at lease I assume so. They are mostly high rail (I do have some scale wheels I can swap out) with kadee style couplers. (I have a very few knuckles I could send along) Make an offer, the bigger the quantity the better and add postage. 4-14-2013 Eric Reis Kenmore, WA 98028 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRIL 14-2013 --added bath gons,details, removed some sold items. 1. sold 2. AM SD60 CSX 8759 ac-highrail $160 3. AM SD60 CSX 8701 ac-highrail $160, (Both CSX $300) 4. AM SD60 GATX silver/blue 855 ac-highrail - I assume repaint- $160 5. sold�. 6. sold�. 7. sold�. 8. sold�. 9. AM GP7? with widecab from SD60? ac-highrail Not that bad. BN $70 10. AM Baldwin- s12 ac-highrail BN repaint Green, orange ends $75 11. Baldwin (flyer?) shell BN with sheet metal base and trucks highrail not powered. $35 12. sold� 13 .sold�. And for some QUANTITY sales! Make me an offer on a bunch. Mose everything has high rail wheels with kadee style couplers. I do not have any knuckle couplers for them at this time. I do have some scale wheels if they are the type of trucks that can be easily switched out. Everything has a box and insert that matches up (or at least is very close) except the containers which have AM trailer boxes. 14: 30 - American Models CD 3 bay Hoppers -Various lines, Pillsbury, drgw, gn, bn, etc. ($20 each) 15: 15 - American Models 50 foot box cars mostly BN green ( $20 each) 16: 22 - American Models Tank Cars various lettering (about 10 different) ($20 each) 17: 18 � Tonkin 40 foot containers - Cast metal loads these came with wheel sets, I do not have the wheel sets - They are very nice - see the website - $20 each - http://www.pemtrucks.com/product.php?id=118 18: 9 - American Models long Gondolas $20 each? 19: sold 20: 5 - S Scale America 48 foot containers 21: 29, yes 29 - S-Scale America BN bath gondolas ( I believe these are all Scale wheels) $25 each Please note that this is from an estate, everything is used somewhat but most look like new and have an original box.I have not been able to check the minute details on all these cars but will check over anything before it is shipped out. Make me an offer! Add postage - USPS which has gotten more expensive. I can take pictures and have tested the engines to make sure they run. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa 98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72068	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 4/15/2013
Subject: Chocolate Train- Really Neat

A train made entirely of chocolate has set a new Guinness World Record as the longest chocolate structure in the world. The sculpture, on display at the busy Brussels South station, is 112-feet (34.05 meters) long and weighs over 2,755 pounds (1250 kilos) Maltese chocolate artist Andrew Farrugia spent over 700 hours constructing the masterpiece. He said he came up with the idea of the train last year after visiting the Belgian Chocolate Festival in Bruge: "I had this idea for a while, and I said what do you think if we do this realisation of a long chocolate train, you know, because a train you can make it as long as you like. "Actually it was going to be much smaller than it was, but I kept on adding another wagon, and another wagon, and it's the size it is today." Farrugia had previously built a smaller train of 12 feet for an event in Malta, which he said gave him insight about how to build this much larger version. There are two parts to the train. The first seven wagons are modelled after the new Belgian trains, and the rest of the train is modelled after the old train wagons, including a wagon with a bar and restaurant on board. Three days before the event, Farrugia transported the chocolate train by truck in 25 wooden boxes from Malta to Belgium . Farrugia said the train incurred considerable damage during the drive and several of the train's walls had completely collapsed. Luckily, with hard work and little sleep, the chocolate artist was able to fix all the damages before presenting the train to the public on Monday. After measuring the length of the train and confirming no material other than chocolate was used, officials from the Guinness Book of World Records added a new category to the collection of world records and declared the train to be the longest chocolate structure in the world. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72069	From: Herbert	Date: 4/16/2013
Subject: Re: Chocolate Train- Really Neat

Here are some pis of the train. Chocolate train <http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static.euronews.com/images_n\ ews/img_606X341_belgium-chocolate-train-no-comment-2012.jpg&imgrefurl=ht\ tp://www.euronews.com/nocomment/2012/11/20/worlds-longest-chocolate-trai\ n-unveiled-in-brussels/&h=341&w=606&sz=164&tbnid=tOlBgSDnC6DfLM:&tbnh=69\ &tbnw=122&zoom=1&usg=__b-nfHLQinw-FWsUnkdmLETrAFkM=&docid=p6vvPkI5EvIZXM\ &sa=X&ei=Uh1tUb-YCKnf0gHB4YCIBw&ved=0CEwQ9QEwAg&dur=136> Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > > A train made entirely of chocolate has set a new Guinness World > Record as the longest chocolate structure in the world. The sculpture, on display at the busy Brussels South station, is 112-feet (34.05 meters) long and weighs over 2,755 pounds (1250 kilos) > Maltese chocolate artist Andrew Farrugia spent over 700 hours > constructing the masterpiece. > He said he came up with the idea of the train last year after visiting the Belgian Chocolate Festival in Bruge: "I had this idea for a while, and I said what do you think if we do this realisation of a long chocolate train, you know, because a train you can make it as long as you like. > "Actually it was going to be much smaller than it was, but I kept on adding another wagon, and another wagon, and it's the size it is today." > Farrugia had previously built a smaller train of 12 feet for an event in Malta, which he said gave him insight about how to build this much larger version. > There are two parts to the train. The first seven wagons are modelled after the new Belgian trains, and the rest of the train is modelled after the old train wagons, including a wagon with a bar and restaurant on board. > Three days before the event, Farrugia transported the chocolate train by truck in 25 wooden boxes from Malta to Belgium . > Farrugia said the train incurred considerable damage during the drive and several of the train's walls had completely collapsed. Luckily, with hard work and little sleep, the chocolate artist was able to fix all the damages before presenting the train to the public on Monday. > After measuring the length of the train and confirming no material other than chocolate was used, officials from the Guinness Book of World Records added a new category to the collection of world records and declared the train to be the longest chocolate structure in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72070	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/16/2013
Subject: For Sale: NASG Club Cars New in their Original Boxes

For reference purposes, I show both 2013 Greenberg values and 2012 TM Guide values. Pick your favorite price guide and make me an offer! Include your Zip Code so I can figure up shipping cost. Cat No Short Description GB value TM value 48436/48476 1991 NASG Commemorative NYC Reefer $93.00 $72.00 48475 1991 NASG Boraxo Covered Hopper $70.00 $72.00 48478 1992 NASG Burlington Boxcar $93.00 $85.00 48480 1993 NASG Susie Q Box Car $91.00 $85.00 48481 1993 NASG REA Reefer $67.00 $75.00 48485 1994 NASG Northern Pacific Boxcar $72.00 $70.00 48486 1994 NASG New Haven Boxcar $51.00 $55.00 48494 NASG Lehigh Valley Covered HopperNIB $60.00 $54.00   In addition, there are quite a number of other American Flyer, American Models, S-Helper, and Plasticville items listed on the For Sale page of my website:            <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html> Not to mention my ebay auctions under seller name robtgraves. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72071	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/16/2013
Subject: For Sale: Lionel Flyer GP-20 and freight cars

For reference purposes, I show 2012 TM Guide values. Make me an offer! Include your Zip Code so I can figure up shipping cost. Pictures are available on my website:            <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html>   Cat No Condition Short Description Notes value 9101 C-10 Union Oil Tank Car $35.00 9105 C-8 Southern 3-Dome Tank Car In HAR#3 set $29.00 9301 C-8 B&O Gondola with canister load In HAR#1 set $20.00 9303 C-8 Southern Gondola with canister load In HAR#3 set $23.00 9401 C-8 B&O Caboose In HAR#1 set $30.00 9702 C-8 B&O Sentinel Boxcar In HAR#1 set $36.00 9711 C-8 Southern Pacific Boxcar Run very little $27.00 48308 C-10 Maine Central Boxcar $70.00 48481 C-10 Great Northern Boxcar (1993 TCA Convention) $85.00 48379 C-10 Great Northern Stock Car $62.00 49022 C-10 Maintenance of Way Depressed Center Searchlight Car $68.00 9400 C-10 Chessie System Caboose not illuminated $30.00 9200 C-10 Chessie Hopper Car $40.00 8459 C-10 GP-20 Chessie System Diesel $270.00 In addition, there are quite a number of other American Flyer, American Models, S-Helper, and Plasticville items listed on the For Sale page of my website:            <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html> Not to mention my ebay auctions under seller name robtgraves. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72072	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: A.F. Burlington Zephyr

Does anyone from this group know of a supplier that carries the replacement smoke (exhaust) stack for the aluminum O gauge A.F. Burlington Zephyr. The originals warped & then broke. I need the flat version of this part. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72073	From: barb	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: I'm new Here

Hi Richard and welcome to our group. There is a large train show coming up the first weekend in May. It is the S-Spree and you will love it. All S gauge. It is in Ohio and Stumpy will have to tell you exactly where. Enjoy your trains as we all do... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72074	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: I'm new Here

You can learn all about the S Spree at the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association website.  The are the hosts for the show which is taking place May 3-5 in Akron, Ohio at the historic Quaker Oats facility.  The website is at: cvsga.com Mike Andrzejewski ________________________________ From: barb <rcespeak@...> To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] I'm new Here   Hi Richard and welcome to our group. There is a large train show coming up the first weekend in May. It is the S-Spree and you will love it. All S gauge. It is in Ohio and Stumpy will have to tell you exactly where. Enjoy your trains as we all do... Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72075	From: Paul	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: spring spree

Barb and group, I'm afraid this spree will be a disappointment, 35 bucks to register and listed as an "all gauge flea market" both on Friday and Saturday. Thursday only is pure S. advertised as THE "S Spree"?? this might be the new way, but when I go to an "S" spree, I want to look at "S" products, pick up and touch "S" trains, and talk with "S" vendors, not dig through G, O, and lots of HO stuff, new and/or used. I can't do Thursday, so I'm stuck with the possible crowd of all scales. what is the admission for just Friday to the flea market? is it going to be all gauges offered for sale but only registered Spree people getting in? that information is not listed anywhere, must be included in the $35 registration., the vendors of all scales probably won't sell much Friday. if you want clinics, you will register and do Friday. be prepared for the 7:45-9 pm Friday clinic hosted by Stumpy Smith, not our well known friend Stumpy Stone? Saturday general admission is $6. just another train flea market. will the true S vendors hang around for this? they are no longer the focus of the hall after Thursday. go on Saturday, fight the crowd, and save $29, but will a large amount of S items be available? yup, I'm a grump, just my opinion. others may feel differently and this be good for them. I hope so, but I won't be driving for hours to find out. paul in sw Ohio http://trc.trains.com/events.aspx?page=info&eventid=17810 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72076	From: Roy	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for a large brick warehouse?

All I can say, Randy, is keep tuned. Tomorrow could be one of the biggest days in our long "S" history. The potential for growth will take a quantum leap when MTH and Lionel reveal their new catalogs at York and the internet. Plus, they are making a commitment to scale and highrail and as a scaler, I'm excited about that. Anyway, I'll be at York myself check it all out. Roy Hoffman "Alan, You are right, the negative comments do not help. Us manufacturers talk among ourselves at the trade shows & it seems to be universally agreed that S Scale is a tough market. It is always clamoring for products yet when manufacturers do stick out their neck & put the time & effort into producing something in S the response is often weak. I think the word I would use is finicky. I suppose that is true of all the scales but the S scale share of the market is so small to begin with that it is really magnified. Randy Pepprock DD"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72077	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: spring spree

Paul and group, My understanding is that the all gauge train show is only on Saturday.  Friday is for the S Spree registrants.   I suggest you go straight to the source to get your information.  The Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association is hosting the spree and their website has the complete schedule: cvsga.com Mike Andrzejewski ________________________________ From: Paul <dilly@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] spring spree   Barb and group, I'm afraid this spree will be a disappointment, 35 bucks to register and listed as an "all gauge flea market" both on Friday and Saturday. Thursday only is pure S. advertised as THE "S Spree"?? this might be the new way, but when I go to an "S" spree, I want to look at "S" products, pick up and touch "S" trains, and talk with "S" vendors, not dig through G, O, and lots of HO stuff, new and/or used. I can't do Thursday, so I'm stuck with the possible crowd of all scales. what is the admission for just Friday to the flea market? is it going to be all gauges offered for sale but only registered Spree people getting in? that information is not listed anywhere, must be included in the $35 registration., the vendors of all scales probably won't sell much Friday. if you want clinics, you will register and do Friday. be prepared for the 7:45-9 pm Friday clinic hosted by Stumpy Smith, not our well known friend Stumpy Stone? Saturday general admission is $6. just another train flea market. will the true S vendors hang around for this? they are no longer the focus of the hall after Thursday. go on Saturday, fight the crowd, and save $29, but will a large amount of S items be available? yup, I'm a grump, just my opinion. others may feel differently and this be good for them. I hope so, but I won't be driving for hours to find out. paul in sw Ohio http://trc.trains.com/events.aspx?page=info&eventid=17810 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72078	From: Paul	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: spring spree, I'm eating crow, care for a bite?

Mike, I do apologize to the group and the cvsga. their website does NOT list Friday as open to the public, nor as being for all gauges. I do stand corrected, thank you. trains.com has the incorrect information listed, one would think though that when information is provided to a third party it would be checked for accuracy and corrections made, especially when it may be printed in widely spread and trusted publications. I did read on the cvsga site however that Stumpy SMITH will be doing a clinic. I will bet that Mr Stumpy STONE would love to meet this Smith fellow, obviously proof reading and fact checking are lacking here on the information others use and on the official website. checking the source does not always make information correct. who should we believe? paul On 4/17/2013 5:43 PM, Mike Andrzejewski wrote: > > Paul and group, > > My understanding is that the all gauge train show is only on Saturday. > Friday is for the S Spree registrants. > > I suggest you go straight to the source to get your information. The > Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association is hosting the spree and their > website has the complete schedule: > > cvsga.com > > Mike Andrzejewski > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72079	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: spring spree

From a moderator, I approved Paul's correction, but this does not resolve what has happened. Thanks Paul   Please check both links, the one Paul provided and the cvsga.com link. There is conflicting informaton. If you have any questions go to the cvsga.com link and contact the names listed for more information.   As I see it there are events planned for 4 days(Thursday through Sunday), not 3.   To remind anyone who is putting on an event, the S-Trains has a calendar for you to provide your event information. The calendar allows you to automaticaly post your event at different intervals.   Ed Eckert, moderator ________________________________ From: Mike Andrzejewski <mike_a_2001@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] spring spree   Paul and group, My understanding is that the all gauge train show is only on Saturday.  Friday is for the S Spree registrants.   I suggest you go straight to the source to get your information.  The Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association is hosting the spree and their website has the complete schedule: cvsga.com Mike Andrzejewski ________________________________ From: Paul <mailto:dilly%40woh.rr.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] spring spree   Barb and group, I'm afraid this spree will be a disappointment, 35 bucks to register and listed as an "all gauge flea market" both on Friday and Saturday. Thursday only is pure S. advertised as THE "S Spree"?? this might be the new way, but when I go to an "S" spree, I want to look at "S" products, pick up and touch "S" trains, and talk with "S" vendors, not dig through G, O, and lots of HO stuff, new and/or used. I can't do Thursday, so I'm stuck with the possible crowd of all scales. what is the admission for just Friday to the flea market? is it going to be all gauges offered for sale but only registered Spree people getting in? that information is not listed anywhere, must be included in the $35 registration., the vendors of all scales probably won't sell much Friday. if you want clinics, you will register and do Friday. be prepared for the 7:45-9 pm Friday clinic hosted by Stumpy Smith, not our well known friend Stumpy Stone? Saturday general admission is $6. just another train flea market. will the true S vendors hang around for this? they are no longer the focus of the hall after Thursday. go on Saturday, fight the crowd, and save $29, but will a large amount of S items be available? yup, I'm a grump, just my opinion. others may feel differently and this be good for them. I hope so, but I won't be driving for hours to find out. paul in sw Ohio http://trc.trains.com/events.aspx?page=info&eventid=17810 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72080	From: Paul	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: spring spree

ED, I am sorry for not digging deeper on my first post and for using this forum to expound a personal opinion. I didn't intend to cause a riff, but the information I saw caused a concern. I now understand that a situation possibly contributed to the spread of errant info and maybe a backup plan just did not materialize to catch the errors. as to Sunday, IF I am reading correctly, nothing is planned nor sanctioned by the CVSGA, but they have kindly suggested places of interest and an offsite auction folks may choose to attend. paul On 4/17/2013 8:42 PM, EDWARD ECKERT wrote: > > From a moderator, > > I approved Paul's correction, but this does not resolve what has > happened. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72081	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: spring spree, I'm eating crow, care for a bite?

Hi Paul, Isn't Stumpy "Smith" Stumpy Stone's evil twin? Seriously, you have some good concerns.  Thanks for pointing them out.  I went ahead and sent an email to the person listed on the website to let them know about this and the erroneous trains.com listing. If anyone else has any other questions/concerns they should probably get directly in touch with the contact listed on the website. Mike Andrzejewski  ________________________________ From: Paul <dilly@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] spring spree, I'm eating crow, care for a bite?   Mike, I do apologize to the group and the cvsga. their website does NOT list Friday as open to the public, nor as being for all gauges. I do stand corrected, thank you. trains.com has the incorrect information listed, one would think though that when information is provided to a third party it would be checked for accuracy and corrections made, especially when it may be printed in widely spread and trusted publications. I did read on the cvsga site however that Stumpy SMITH will be doing a clinic. I will bet that Mr Stumpy STONE would love to meet this Smith fellow, obviously proof reading and fact checking are lacking here on the information others use and on the official website. checking the source does not always make information correct. who should we believe? paul On 4/17/2013 5:43 PM, Mike Andrzejewski wrote: > > Paul and group, > > My understanding is that the all gauge train show is only on Saturday. > Friday is for the S Spree registrants. > > I suggest you go straight to the source to get your information. The > Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association is hosting the spree and their > website has the complete schedule: > > cvsga.com > > Mike Andrzejewski > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72082	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: Spring S Spree

Well, I plan to be there, and I WOULD like to meet another guy with the nickname "Stumpy." As it is, I already know two other "Stumpy's" but they are not into trains. In fact, one is a tall, thin, rather athletic Black fellow who certainly can never be mistaken for me, a short, fat, White guy. I have no idea who "Stumpy Smith" is, although I do recall a Sunday "funnies" character named "Snuffy Smith." I don't think he was into trains either though. I'm a freelance kit basher and scratch builder, not a prototype recreator, so this must not be me doing that clinic, although I did agree to do a discussion clinic on bashing and building. I will have a display layout with kit bashed locos on hand as usual, and possibly a few Stumpyized items for sale. I'll probably go to Mr. Smith's clinic too. Should be fun! :-) Stumpy Stone...junk box kit basher in Martins Ferry, Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72083	From: wb4hay	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: asphalt and joint compound

Sometime recently I saw a conversation about using joint compound for roads, parking lots, etc..The strongest opinion was that joint compound would crack and really wasn't the stuff to use. I have tried a specific brand and weatherstriping with really good results. All I can say is that it has been down now for two weeks and so far so good. I used "Pro Form Lightweight Joint Compound" and "MD" high density foam weatherstrip, 3/16 X 3/8. I got both at Lowe's, and I mixed the joint compound very wet to the point of almost being self leveling. Perhaps this helped with the cracking. In any event, after a two day dry, I painted it with black flat latex interior paint diluted two to one with water and after a couple of coats, it looked real good.I am gonna stripe it with yellow vinyl electrical tape and see how it looks. Just thought I'd report on the project. Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72084	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: Asphalt and Joint Compound

Fear not about joint compound! I have a seven year old On30 display layout on which the roads and rail crossings are made of joint compound. It gets stored on it's side in the back of a bedroom closet and has traveled to many train shows. I used plain old home improvement store stuff in a can, and my street is about a 1/4" thick with no re-inforcement underneath. Hasn't cracked yet! Joint compound is a lot easier to use and more flexible than regular plaster, which we used in the old days for roads and scenery. Pound per pound it is generally more expensive than plaster, so not as good for very large projects. The one problem I have is that the liquid and solid seperates after long storage requiring re-mixing to work again. I've even used joint compound in silicone rubber molds to duplicate a couple of small things cheaply and it works for that too, although resin is faster and holds detail MUCH better. Once set, it is still very workable for carving rock faces and building walls. All in all, joint compound is a handy product most modelers never consider because it isn't packaged for hobby stores. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72085	From: apple	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: Asphalt and Joint Compound

A tip on roads ­ I find the sheet rubber used by roofers for flat roof covering works well for roads. It is easy to cut and form . It¹s about .070² thick and you can usually get it at a reasonable price from a roofing job left over . Cleaning the rubber prior to your use can be done with a little gasoline on a rag ( per a roofers suggestion) obvious precautions apply! It resembles Black top material and it can be stripped before installing on your layout. If you want to change the routing of a road it¹s easy to pull up if you have installed it with the right adhesive. Joints can the easily made with Silicone type caulking and looks just like a joint on a highway. Cleaning is also easy as nothing is there to dissolve. Hamilton Alan On 4/18/13 7:59 AM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > > > > Fear not about joint compound! I have a seven year old On30 display layout on > which the roads and rail crossings are made of joint compound. It gets stored > on it's side in the back of a bedroom closet and has traveled to many train > shows. > > I used plain old home improvement store stuff in a can, and my street is about > a 1/4" thick with no re-inforcement underneath. Hasn't cracked yet! > > Joint compound is a lot easier to use and more flexible than regular plaster, > which we used in the old days for roads and scenery. Pound per pound it is > generally more expensive than plaster, so not as good for very large projects. > The one problem I have is that the liquid and solid seperates after long > storage requiring re-mixing to work again. > > I've even used joint compound in silicone rubber molds to duplicate a couple > of small things cheaply and it works for that too, although resin is faster > and holds detail MUCH better. Once set, it is still very workable for carving > rock faces and building walls. > > All in all, joint compound is a handy product most modelers never consider > because it isn't packaged for hobby stores. > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72086	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: MTH S Gauge Catalog

http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/index.html     Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72087	From: Dave	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: Asphalt and Joint Compound

I used joint compound to simulate a brick wall for a doll house project (a model of the house I grew up in). I put a thin coating of on on luan plywood, painting it red, then scraped in mortar lines. This worked great (although it would be much more tedious in S gauge) , but I had large segments flake off. If I do any more like this, on the model house or my RR, I will prime the ply with that shellac based primer first, which I know clings well to raw plywood, and they suggest it be top coated which still a bit tacky, in a few hours. Putting the compound on in that way should yield good results. Dave W. _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:00 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Asphalt and Joint Compound Fear not about joint compound! I have a seven year old On30 display layout on which the roads and rail crossings are made of joint compound. It gets stored on it's side in the back of a bedroom closet and has traveled to many train shows. I used plain old home improvement store stuff in a can, and my street is about a 1/4" thick with no re-inforcement underneath. Hasn't cracked yet! Joint compound is a lot easier to use and more flexible than regular plaster, which we used in the old days for roads and scenery. Pound per pound it is generally more expensive than plaster, so not as good for very large projects. The one problem I have is that the liquid and solid seperates after long storage requiring re-mixing to work again. I've even used joint compound in silicone rubber molds to duplicate a couple of small things cheaply and it works for that too, although resin is faster and holds detail MUCH better. Once set, it is still very workable for carving rock faces and building walls. All in all, joint compound is a handy product most modelers never consider because it isn't packaged for hobby stores. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72088	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online

____________________________________ From: rustytraque@... Reply-to: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: 4/18/2013 9:52:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: {S-Scale List} 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online F-units, boxcars, covered hoppers, ore cars, steel rebuilt boxcars and woodide reefers. http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/index .html Rich G(ajnak) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72089	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online

I, for one, am thrilled! I didn't expect this much. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:21 AM, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > ____________________________________ > From: rustytraque@... > Reply-to: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com > Sent: 4/18/2013 9:52:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: {S-Scale List} 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online > > F-units, boxcars, covered hoppers, ore cars, steel rebuilt boxcars and > woodide reefers. > > http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/index > .html > > Rich G(ajnak) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72090	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online

Link does not work for mr Roy Inman From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:39:09 -0700 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online I, for one, am thrilled! I didn't expect this much. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:21 AM, tennsgauge@... <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> wrote: > > > ____________________________________ > From: rustytraque@... <mailto:rustytraque%40sbcglobal.net> > Reply-to: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: 4/18/2013 9:52:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: {S-Scale List} 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online > > F-units, boxcars, covered hoppers, ore cars, steel rebuilt boxcars and > woodide reefers. > > http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/index > .html > > Rich G(ajnak) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72091	From: Henry Koshollek	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online

Do you need a magic wand to see this page? All I see is  page not found...... Thanks .............Hank ________________________________ From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online   Link does not work for mr Roy Inman From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:39:09 -0700 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online I, for one, am thrilled! I didn't expect this much. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:21 AM, tennsgauge@... <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> wrote: > > > ____________________________________ > From: rustytraque@... <mailto:rustytraque%40sbcglobal.net> > Reply-to: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: 4/18/2013 9:52:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: {S-Scale List} 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online > > F-units, boxcars, covered hoppers, ore cars, steel rebuilt boxcars and > woodide reefers. > > http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/index > .html > > Rich G(ajnak) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72092	From: Paul	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: asphalt and joint compound

Kelly, another tape you might consider for road striping. at an auto parts store, they should have the striping that gets used on the side of cars. I have seen it in different widths and colors, yellow shouldn't be hard to find and it is a uniform width with no cutting. sometimes you can even find it already side by side for double pinstripes, then the spacing between road stripes is uniform too. lay it down, it stretches for gentle curves, then after pressing tight, remove the clear layer from the top. have seen it as narrow as 1/16 inch, giving you a scale 3 inch wide road stripe. maybe best found at an auto store that sells auto paint and supplies for body shop use. paul in ohio On 4/18/2013 4:18 AM, wb4hay wrote: > > Sometime recently I saw a conversation about using joint compound for > roads, parking lots, etc..The strongest opinion was that joint > compound would crack and really wasn't the stuff to use. I have tried > a specific brand and weatherstriping with really good results. All I > can say is that it has been down now for two weeks and so far so good. > I used "Pro Form Lightweight Joint Compound" and "MD" high density > foam weatherstrip, 3/16 X 3/8. I got both at Lowe's, and I mixed the > joint compound very wet to the point of almost being self leveling. > Perhaps this helped with the cracking. In any event, after a two day > dry, I painted it with black flat latex interior paint diluted two to > one with water and after a couple of coats, it looked real good.I am > gonna stripe it with yellow vinyl electrical tape and see how it > looks. Just thought I'd report on the project. > > Kelly Johnson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72093	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online

Try this link. I agree that it's more than I expected. http://www.mthtrains.com/search/apachesolr_search/?filters=type%3Aitem+ss_cck_field_catalog%3A%22DT+2013+S-Gauge+Catalog%22 On 4/18/2013 1:16 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > > Link does not work for mr > Roy Inman > > From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@... > <mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com>> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:39:09 -0700 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online > > I, for one, am thrilled! I didn't expect this much. > > Bob Graves > TheGilbertGallery.org > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72094	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online

Roy, it looks like yahoo played a trick with the link below and disconnected the last part of it. Copy this: http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/index .html - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/18/2013 1:34:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rinphoto@... writes: Link does not work for mr Roy Inman From: The Upstairs Train <_theupstairstrain@..._ (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) > Reply-To: S-trains <_S-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:39:09 -0700 To: S-trains <_S-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online I, for one, am thrilled! I didn't expect this much. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:21 AM, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> wrote: > > > ____________________________________ > From: _rustytraque@..._ (mailto:rustytraque@...) <mailto:rustytraque%40sbcglobal.net> > Reply-to: _S-Scale@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > To: _S-Scale@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: 4/18/2013 9:52:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time > Subj: {S-Scale List} 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online > > F-units, boxcars, covered hoppers, ore cars, steel rebuilt boxcars and > woodide reefers. > > > > Rich G(ajnak) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72095	From: wjgill1	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online

FWIW, link is still not complete and "disconnected" I had better luck using the link in Brady Burdge's earlier posting today. It is complete and all connected. Alternative would be to type it all in yourself. However, once I got to the MTH web page for the catalog, I was confronted with the need to upgrade my Adobe Flash Player plug-in. Unfortunately, my old Mac computer won't work with this new plug-in and it won't let me install it. Hopefully MTH will publish a non-flash version of their on-line catalog. I could always buy a hard copy of the catalog which would be considerably cheaper than buying a new computer.... Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Roy, it looks like yahoo played a trick with the link below and > disconnected the last part of it. > > Copy this: > > http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/index > .html > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > In a message dated 4/18/2013 1:34:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > rinphoto@... writes: > > > > > Link does not work for mr > Roy Inman > > From: The Upstairs Train <_theupstairstrain@..._ > (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) > > Reply-To: S-trains <_S-trains@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) > > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:39:09 -0700 > To: S-trains <_S-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online > > I, for one, am thrilled! I didn't expect this much. > > Bob Graves > TheGilbertGallery.org > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:21 AM, _tennsgauge@..._ > (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > From: _rustytraque@..._ (mailto:rustytraque@...) > <mailto:rustytraque%40sbcglobal.net> > > Reply-to: _S-Scale@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > > To: _S-Scale@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: 4/18/2013 9:52:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time > > Subj: {S-Scale List} 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online > > > > F-units, boxcars, covered hoppers, ore cars, steel rebuilt boxcars and > > woodide reefers. > > > > > > > Rich G(ajnak) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72096	From: bkweidner	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 S gauge offerings

I took a look at both MTH and Lionels American Flyer catalogs today. Lots of nice stuff. MTH has a nice selection for a first year offering.   Two Items from lionel caught my eye the water tower with shack and the walking zombie brakeman car. From MTH I like the Seaboard F3 and several of the PS2 hopper sets"8 road numbers each"   Lots of nice locos from both MTH and Lionel.  Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72097	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online

Two options: 1. When you get the "link not found" message, type ".html" at the end of the URL address   2. Click the link in the message that MTH sent out themselves If you signed up for their free email list, you're supposed to get a free catalog in the mail - no need to buy it! Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ________________________________ From: wjgill1 <wjbillgill@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online   FWIW, link is still not complete and "disconnected" I had better luck using the link in Brady Burdge's earlier posting today. It is complete and all connected. Alternative would be to type it all in yourself. However, once I got to the MTH web page for the catalog, I was confronted with the need to upgrade my Adobe Flash Player plug-in. Unfortunately, my old Mac computer won't work with this new plug-in and it won't let me install it. Hopefully MTH will publish a non-flash version of their on-line catalog. I could always buy a hard copy of the catalog which would be considerably cheaper than buying a new computer.... Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > Roy, it looks like yahoo played a trick with the link below and > disconnected the last part of it. > > Copy this: > > http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/index > .html > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > In a message dated 4/18/2013 1:34:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > rinphoto@... writes: > > > > > Link does not work for mr > Roy Inman > > From: The Upstairs Train <_theupstairstrain@..._ > (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) > > Reply-To: S-trains <_S-trains@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) > > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:39:09 -0700 > To: S-trains <_S-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online > > I, for one, am thrilled! I didn't expect this much. > > Bob Graves > TheGilbertGallery.org > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:21 AM, _tennsgauge@..._ > (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > From: _rustytraque@..._ (mailto:rustytraque@...) > <mailto:rustytraque%40sbcglobal.net> > > Reply-to: _S-Scale@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > > To: _S-Scale@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Scale@yahoogroups.com) > <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: 4/18/2013 9:52:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time > > Subj: {S-Scale List} 2013 MTH S Scale Catalog Online > > > > F-units, boxcars, covered hoppers, ore cars, steel rebuilt boxcars and > > woodide reefers. > > > > > > > Rich G(ajnak) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72098	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: MTH Catalog Easy Link

All, Hee's a link that should work just fine: http://tinyurl.com/MTH-Catalog It's real simple to make these tiny URL links. If everyone posting a link would use this, it would eliminate the broken links and general confusion. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72099	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 S gauge offerings

What I am happy to see is the new 27² radius track. The Flyonel track is pretty good stuff. Roy Inman From: <weidner@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2013 S gauge offerings I took a look at both MTH and Lionels American Flyer catalogs today. Lots of nice stuff. MTH has a nice selection for a first year offering.   Two Items from lionel caught my eye the water tower with shack and the walking zombie brakeman car. From MTH I like the Seaboard F3 and several of the PS2 hopper sets"8 road numbers each"   Lots of nice locos from both MTH and Lionel.  Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest € Unsubscribe € Terms of Use € Send us Feedback   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72100	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Lionel 2013 S catalog

Not to be outdone, Lionel has released their 2013 S catalog as well:         http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/Interactive/2013af/index.html   Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72101	From: gartrain404	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: MTH S Gauge Catalog

Talked to Mike Wolf at York today. Can you wait until December for most items to ship? Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72102	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: asphalt and joint compound

I''ve used Great Planes Striping Tape Yellow 1/16"  that I found on e-bay.  It works well too and it comes in white as well. Neil in Oregon --- On Thu, 4/18/13, Paul <dilly@...> wrote: From: Paul <dilly@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] asphalt and joint compound To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 18, 2013, 7:32 PM   Kelly, another tape you might consider for road striping. at an auto parts store, they should have the striping that gets used on the side of cars. I have seen it in different widths and colors, yellow shouldn't be hard to find and it is a uniform width with no cutting. sometimes you can even find it already side by side for double pinstripes, then the spacing between road stripes is uniform too. lay it down, it stretches for gentle curves, then after pressing tight, remove the clear layer from the top. have seen it as narrow as 1/16 inch, giving you a scale 3 inch wide road stripe. maybe best found at an auto store that sells auto paint and supplies for body shop use. paul in ohio On 4/18/2013 4:18 AM, wb4hay wrote: > > Sometime recently I saw a conversation about using joint compound for > roads, parking lots, etc..The strongest opinion was that joint > compound would crack and really wasn't the stuff to use. I have tried > a specific brand and weatherstriping with really good results. All I > can say is that it has been down now for two weeks and so far so good. > I used "Pro Form Lightweight Joint Compound" and "MD" high density > foam weatherstrip, 3/16 X 3/8. I got both at Lowe's, and I mixed the > joint compound very wet to the point of almost being self leveling. > Perhaps this helped with the cracking. In any event, after a two day > dry, I painted it with black flat latex interior paint diluted two to > one with water and after a couple of coats, it looked real good.I am > gonna stripe it with yellow vinyl electrical tape and see how it > looks. Just thought I'd report on the project. > > Kelly Johnson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72103	From: snstrains	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: MTH Catalog

Nice stuff but expensive.... Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72104	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 S gauge offerings

Well I have seen several items will be buying from MTH, sad no passenger cars are didnt see any, but everything else looked great and prices reasonable going to get a F3 for Christmas, wife says if I am very good for the rest of the year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72105	From: The Reardon's	Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: asphalt and joint compound

Hi Kelly, I use basically the same technique, except that I add liquid black concrete coloring to the mix before applying. This gives a nice color and if it later chips, it doesn't show because the color goes all the way through. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: wb4hay To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:18 AM Subject: [S-Trains] asphalt and joint compound Sometime recently I saw a conversation about using joint compound for roads, parking lots, etc..The strongest opinion was that joint compound would crack and really wasn't the stuff to use. I have tried a specific brand and weatherstriping with really good results. All I can say is that it has been down now for two weeks and so far so good. I used "Pro Form Lightweight Joint Compound" and "MD" high density foam weatherstrip, 3/16 X 3/8. I got both at Lowe's, and I mixed the joint compound very wet to the point of almost being self leveling. Perhaps this helped with the cracking. In any event, after a two day dry, I painted it with black flat latex interior paint diluted two to one with water and after a couple of coats, it looked real good.I am gonna stripe it with yellow vinyl electrical tape and see how it looks. Just thought I'd report on the project. Kelly Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72106	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era was over. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72107	From: henrykoshollek	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best value period. Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era was over. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@ wrote: > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72108	From: John	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: MTH F3 shipping schedule

I was up at the TCA York show yesterday. I asked MTH about a particular product shipping date and they politely said look it up on the web site as they have over a 1000 products and honestly can't remember all the dates (referring to not only S, but all the other scales) and didn't want to misquote from memory. It wasn't terribly important what the exact shipping schedule was so I thought I'd wait until I got home. I used the MTH website's shipping schedule link, and did not find a projected shipping date for any of their F3s, although almost every other S gauge product did have a date - some in May, but most in the fall. If anyone's up at York maybe you could ask them what if anything this means - is it a computer glitch, or do they have no projected date.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72109	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP Daylight. MR Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top Lounge, the most beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of passenger cars, some 80~85¹ ones. Roy Inman From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best value period. Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era was over. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , boss31@ wrote: > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72110	From: william cole	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: cost comment

after seeing some cost comments about Lionel and MTH S products, I had to chime in...    one of my buddies wants me to do some HO modules and get some equipment, so I go looking online and in the Model Railroader at prices of plastic diesel locomotives ... I was SHOCKED to say the least about the expense!!!!   we were fortunate for years that SHS and AM locos, while not cheaply priced, were reasonably priced !   No way am I investing a couple of hundred bucks into an HO diesel (although the RapidoTrainsCanadian National GMD1 would be really cool to have, because it's so ugly, is just out of the question with my current train budget)..   as long as quality is kept high, S scale equipment will still be a value compared to HO and O scale... my 2 cents... . Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72111	From: racin510	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

My thoght; that every operator/collector in 'S'/Flyer should buy at least one item from MTH sometime this year. Rick Gough --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP Daylight. MR > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top Lounge, the most > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of passenger cars, > some 80~85¹ ones. > > Roy Inman > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@...> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best > value period. > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era > was over. > > > > Wayne > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , boss31@ > wrote: > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72112	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver tail. It's a classic. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP Daylight. MR > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top Lounge, the most > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of passenger cars, > some 80~85¹ ones. > > Roy Inman > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@...> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best > value period. > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era > was over. > > > > Wayne > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , boss31@ > wrote: > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72113	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

I second the motion. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ________________________________ From: racin510 <racin510@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog   My thoght; that every operator/collector in 'S'/Flyer should buy at least one item from MTH sometime this year. Rick Gough --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP Daylight. MR > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top Lounge, the most > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of passenger cars, > some 80~85¹ ones. > > Roy Inman > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@...> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best > value period. > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era > was over. > > > > Wayne > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , boss31@ > wrote: > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72114	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: DCS & TMCC (was MTH Catalog)

From: Tom Detmer <detmer@...> << I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. >> Connecting a TMCC Command Base to the DCS TIU will allow you to run TMCC locos in command mode from the DCS remote.  Check out pages 100 &  110 of the DCS manual   http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/download/instruction/20as14017i.pdf I don't use DCS but I did see this in operation a few years ago and it seemed to work well.   As a side note, Lionel released the info in the original TMCC manual to allow software to be written to control TMCC from a computer, I did this once with a laptop.   I presume that's how DCS can run TMCC, by incorporating this info into the DCS software.  I did not see this software info in the Legacy manual, so in the TMCC/DCS hybrid set-up you probably cannot access Legacy specific features, although you may be able to access the Legacy 100 speed step mode. Brady, running command-free [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72115	From: Steven Allen	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

This may not be the forum for this, but the major comment I have to say about the catalog offerings is that if MTH has omitted the inclusion of scale wheels with the rolling stock and no scale option on the locomotives as S Helper did, there may not be the support from the scale side if they have to spend extra money to get the same units. For a minor initial investment on MTH's part, they may be missing the boat. I certainly have no issue with the offerings, it's pretty much as expected based on previously released information, I like the addition of the CNJ and Seaboard F-3's, but maybe a little more diversity in roadnames for the box cars. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote: > > I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver tail. It's a classic. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP Daylight. MR > > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top Lounge, the most > > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of passenger cars, > > some 80~85¹ ones. > > > > Roy Inman > > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@...> > > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new > > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our > > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will > > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best > > value period. > > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring > > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again > > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a > > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I > > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. > > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars > > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to > > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective > > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I > > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people > > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era > > was over. > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , boss31@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72116	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: Cost Comment

Being a "rubber gauger," I fully agree that compared to most other gauges, S is not out of line cost wise, particularly if you consider it's lower production numbers. This is not to say that the prices are low by any measure. Beyond question, the asking price of HO locos and rolling stock is FAR out line for it's scale and production numbers! When an HO diesel is priced similarly to the same thing in S or O scale, somebody needs a reality check in this current economic situation. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72117	From: smccoy923	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: S Helper Track

Hello List Members We had a little rain here in the Mid-West and my unfinished basement didn't fair so well, so I have a few boxes of S Helper 25" radius curves with some water damage. Six pieces to a box - good for a half circle. $20 a box, plus postage, or pick them up at the Spree. First come, first serve. Contact me off list, please. Sam

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72118	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

Fear not Steven, the scale wheel option is a go. Take a look at the catalog online. Roy Inman From: Steven Allen <allens1017@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:10:55 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog This may not be the forum for this, but the major comment I have to say about the catalog offerings is that if MTH has omitted the inclusion of scale wheels with the rolling stock and no scale option on the locomotives as S Helper did, there may not be the support from the scale side if they have to spend extra money to get the same units. For a minor initial investment on MTH's part, they may be missing the boat. I certainly have no issue with the offerings, it's pretty much as expected based on previously released information, I like the addition of the CNJ and Seaboard F-3's, but maybe a little more diversity in roadnames for the box cars. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote: > > I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver tail. It's a classic. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP Daylight. MR > > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top Lounge, the most > > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of passenger cars, > > some 80~85¹ ones. > > > > Roy Inman > > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@...> > > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new > > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our > > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will > > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best > > value period. > > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring > > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again > > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a > > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I > > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. > > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars > > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to > > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective > > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I > > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people > > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era > > was over. > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , boss31@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72119	From: alan smith	Date: 4/19/2013
Subject: Re: Cost Comment

A tip on roads � I find the sheet rubber used by roofers for flat roof covering works well for roads. It is easy to cut and form . It�s about .070� thick and you can usually get it at a reasonable price from a roofing job left over . Cleaning the rubber prior to your use can be done with a little gasoline on a rag ( per a roofers suggestion) obvious precautions apply! It resembles Black top material and it can be stripped before installing on your layout. If you want to change the routing of a road it�s easy to pull up if you have installed it with the right adhesive. Joints can the easily made with Silicone type caulking and looks just like a joint on a highway. Cleaning is also easy as nothing is there to dissolve. Hamilton Alan On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:54 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > Being a "rubber gauger," I fully agree that compared to most other > gauges, S is not out of line cost wise, particularly if you consider > it's lower production numbers. This is not to say that the prices > are low by any measure. > > Beyond question, the asking price of HO locos and rolling stock is > FAR out line for it's scale and production numbers! When an HO > diesel is priced similarly to the same thing in S or O scale, > somebody needs a reality check in this current economic situation. > > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72120	From: Paul Schilling	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: Cost Comment

In my experience, S scale items are very well priced: good value for the money, especially when compared to HO scale. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:54 PM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > Being a "rubber gauger," I fully agree that compared to most other gauges, S is not out of line cost wise, particularly if you consider it's lower production numbers. This is not to say that the prices are low by any measure. > > Beyond question, the asking price of HO locos and rolling stock is FAR out line for it's scale and production numbers! When an HO diesel is priced similarly to the same thing in S or O scale, somebody needs a reality check in this current economic situation. > > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72121	From: Paul Schilling	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: Cost Comment

I hope it continues. Paul Schilling Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Paul Schilling <Paul4Schil@...> wrote: > In my experience, S scale items are very well priced: good value for the money, especially when compared to HO scale. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:54 PM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > >> Being a "rubber gauger," I fully agree that compared to most other gauges, S is not out of line cost wise, particularly if you consider it's lower production numbers. This is not to say that the prices are low by any measure. >> >> Beyond question, the asking price of HO locos and rolling stock is FAR out line for it's scale and production numbers! When an HO diesel is priced similarly to the same thing in S or O scale, somebody needs a reality check in this current economic situation. >> >> Stumpy in Ahia >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72122	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: MTH and TMCC

I previously indicated that I'd like to see MTH offer a way to coordinate it's Protosound system with Lionel's TMCC system, primarily because I have TMCC equipment that I'd like to operate in conjunction with Protosound equipment and use the full capabilities of each. I wrote that "wish" thinking it was not yet possible because the initial information about the MTH's S gauge products that I saw on it's website did not include the catalog. I have now seen the full catalog. I previously wrote MTH several times about the topic of coordinating with TMCC and received no information or helpful response. So that is why I am in the dark on this subject. In the back of the catalog there is a list of the DCS options offered by MTH. If starting fresh, that system may be fine. However, there is something shown on the DCS page called a DCS/TMCC cable that somehow connects the systems. This intrigues me because it implies that somehow the systems can work together. Does anyone know if this is possible? If so, can the DCS system when communicating with the TMCC system take advantage of all of the sounds and capabilities on TMCC locomotives? Does an operator have to buy a full DCS system to connect to the TMCC system to take advantage of both systems? Any information on DCS in this regard would be appreciated. Unfortunately in order to push it's DCS system MTH chose not to provide information of this sort. It would have been helpful to have at least a few sentences about connecting the system. I will be more impressed with what MTH is offering/preparing to offer if I know this capability exists. Also, does the DCS system require the use of computer software to program it and to take advantage of Protosounds and Railsounds capabilities, at least at the most basic level? I'm sure the software is needed to do advanced train operations. I'm more interested in knowing if the system can be set up and operate with initially installing special software. I know with my TMCC system and equipment I could set it up and run it without special software. Tom Detmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72123	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

I agree. I have spotted 4 cars that I plan to buy. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "racin510" <racin510@...> wrote: > > My thoght; that every operator/collector in 'S'/Flyer should buy at least one item from MTH sometime this year. > > Rick Gough >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72124	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/21/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 21, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72125	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Scenery Plots

A while back I mentioned the idea of scenery plots, but I couldn't find any photos of the plots I made for my old layout. I did find the MTH repros of pre-war Lionel plots.. http://www.mthtrains.com/content/11-90075 Like the originals the scenery is dated but the concept is still valid. Build them on the workbench using masonite, with realistic structures and modern scenery materials and drop them in place on the layout. Sidewalks can be painted on or added around the edge, use a thinner material for the street and you'll have a curb. Brady Sent from my Kindle Fire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72126	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: wanted. Scenery Unlimited old time passenger car

also Bachmann 0N3 combined passenger car, log car and large caboose. Need some Perm-bilt box car ends. Thanks Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72127	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: McGuire-Cummings Long Broom Snow Sweeper Cars in S

Good afternoon: John sent me an e-mail asking me what I thought of the street sweepers. Since then I have been carrying one of them with me and looking. I ended up with this review. The basis of the street sweeper kit is two primed epoxy castings. The first is the cab with roof. The second is an accurate reproduction of the scale frame. The underside has the correct ribs. The castings are highly detailed, accurate, and crisp. I have checked them against the plans and my research materials. A length of extremely stiff bottle brush material is included. It is 1/2 inch diameter or 2'8" which is quite accurate. The real brushes were rattan and wore down with use. A poly bag contains a length of silver chain and a piece of silver wire. Both are used with the side plow wings. A second, long poly bag contains two sheets of clear plastic with paper cover sheets for windows. It also contains a folded piece of extremely thin white plastic. (Think of a thick plastic sack from the grocery store.) This may be used as a splash guard behind the brushes. A third, long poly bag contains lengths of brass wire in two diameters. Some of these are pre-bend handrails and others are steps. Longer pieces will be used as side plow supports, trolley hook hold-downs, and other accessories. The fourth and last poly bag contains the two pieces of styrene to become the side plows. There are four pedestals for each end of the two axles and four broom supports which hold the brooms in cast epoxy. Two boards of styrene is provided for the roof walk. A wide styrene board to become broom supports finishes the bag. 15 pages of prototype information and instructions are provided, plus a sheet with four colour photographs of Iowa Terminal #3, the prototype for this kit. She is currently at the Rockhill Trolley Museum in Rockhill, PA. (Not Blowing Rock) I have not started construction on my pair. I have spent a week studying the kit and the instructions. Here is my current list of parts that were not included and their sources. 1. 1 Trolley pole William Flatt's TP-44; 4 horizontal springs 2. 1 Trolley base William Flatt's TB-1 rectangular base 3. 2 Gongs Shape styrene into 12" round gong, 4" thick 4. 2 Headlights KND 02-147 Interurban headlights 5. 1 Trolley retriever: William Flatt's TR-1 (optional) 6. 2 33" Northwest Shortline NASG 100 tread, blunt axle wheelsets 7. 1 Black Beetle power truck; 6'6" wheelbase 8. 2 Decals: home made ITR emblem in Iowa outline 9. 1 Set of decals: 3, IOWA TERMINAL RAILROAD 10. 7 Paints: Reefer White as primer; Bight Silver; Milwaukee Orange; RI Maroon; Engine Black; Bright Red for gong interiors. All paints are Polly-S by Testors. Other colours as needed. I do not plan to power my street sweepers. If mine were powered, I would require that the brushes rotate. That will necessitate replacing the epoxy brush hangers with scratch built hangers from brass, adding working chain drive with gears, cutting slots into the floor for the chain to reach the drive motor with gears. These slots will probably weaken the floor to the point that I need to make a new floor out of brass. Control of the brush motor is another issue. Second, the prototype has four wheels. Four wheel models work well only if the track and wheels are very, very clean or the model weighs two pounds or more. Two pounds is enough weight to crush through the rail dust and dirt. My model, when finished, will weigh between three and five ounces. Third and last, the Black Beetle is about $100.00 and the DCC decoder is about $30.00. Construction looks straightforward. The plans look well laid out. The instructions say to use Alpha Cyandacrylate glue, also known as super glue or crazy glue. This is a fine glue, but brittle. For high strength joints I will use two-part epoxy. For joints where a tiny bit of flexibility is desired, I use Walther's Goo. Other glues are used as needed. Step 2 includes adding the Gong. If you use two, they should be flush with the roof. If you use on as on ITR 3, the gong is vertical. I will create my own gong from materials unknown. The exterior and supports will be silver. If the gong is brass, the exterior might remain unpainted; coated with Dullcote. The interior will be painted bright red. Why? I paint the interiors of my gongs and bells bright red; prototypical or not. Step 3 hints at adding the trolley pole. I will add a brass sleeve for the pole's base. The pole is removable. The wire for headlight power is attached to the brass sleeve. Please note ITR #3 does not have a trolley retriever. Painting will be done after the first half of Step 11. By now the cab is done, much of the frame is complete, and the wing plows have been created but not mounted. I always prime everything with white. I will prime every piece I can for the entire model. Then spray orange. Mask and spray silver for the roof. Spray silver onto all sides of the pedestals, frame, and broom supports. The window frames are hand painted in maroon. The gong interiors are painted bright red. All of the areas to receive decals first receive a layer of Future floor polish which is really clear acrylic paint. This makes a perfectly smooth surface for the decals. After I have applied all of the decals and painted as much as I can, I lock down the paint and decals with a coat of Dullcote. Windows, headlight LEDs, and electronics are now added. Headlight lenses are clear plastic. For the windows I might use the included clear plastic. Because there isn't an interior, I might choose to use exposed X-Ray film. (This film is created testing the machine. They can tell if the machine is ready based on how cloudy is the film. After that these large pieces of blue, clear plastic are trash.) For really dark windows I use two layers. There is still some minor painting after the first half of Step 11. This is done with a brush with the colour bright silver. A step is missing between #12 and #13. #12 finishes the frame and underbody. #13 finishes the model by adding the wing plow chains. Mounting the cab to the frame has been omitted. I will be adding four flanges to the bottom of the cab and four holes in the frame. Screws will be used to attach the pair. This will allow me access to the interior in the future should I chose to power the unit. Step 13 has the mounting of the wing plow chains. The instructions state the top of the chain must be removable; this is required if you wish to separate the cab from the frame. I plan to power the headlights with warm white LEDs. These LEDs will be lit whenever the model is on powered track and/or trolley. (The electrical diagram below should be viewed in either plain text or Courier New.) trolley --|>|--+ +--|>|-- trolley | | right rail --|>|--+--/\/\/\---|>|--|>|---+--|>|-- right rail | Headlights | left rail --|>|--+ +--|>|-- left rail 1N4000 2K LEDS 1N4000 Those who study this circuit will realize I have created a six leg bridge rectifier with a load of a resistor and two headlight LEDs. (Warning: the final resistor value is always determined by experimentation.) The headlight bulbs will be warm white, 806 surface mount LEDs. These are quite tiny. I use 32 gauge wire. Later, if I chose to power the model, this circuit will be replaced by the headlight outputs of a DCC decoder. Thorin ________________________________________________________________________ 1a. Re: McGuire-Cummings Long Broom Snow Sweeper Cars in S Posted by: "William Flatt" wflatt@... w_flatt Date: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:40 am ((PDT)) Hello, Thorin: Just returned from Florida. Where is Blowing Rock, PA? Will continue assy on the NST/Hydro/WCFN steeple cab. Regards, William. PS: I will be attending the Philly trolley meet next month. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thorin Marty To: Interurbans@yahoogroups.com ; S_Scale_Traction@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 5:32 PM Subject: [S_Scale_Traction] McGuire-Cummings Long Broom Snow Sweeper Cars in S Good afternoon: I am pleased to announce the arrival of McGuire-Cummings Long Broom Snow Sweeper Cars in S Scale. These kits feature a one piece Resin Body, floor & Plows; less poles, trucks, or power unit. I have two on order. One will become Mason City and Clear Lake 102 and the other will become Iowa Terminal 3; different eras, same prototype. The prototype is alive and well, currently running in Blowing Rock, PA. http://www.pknd.com/ Coming from KND are WCF&N coaches 100 and 102 and CNS&M center-door box motors. CNS&M 234 is currently numbered 33 and lives in the shops of the Iowa Traction RAILWAY in Mason City, Iowa. I will see her in May. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72128	From: henrykoshollek	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

Hay folks can someone reissue catalog Email site for the new MTH Sga stuff including the new engines. My site seems to be page not found at this time . Thanks Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@...> wrote: > > This may not be the forum for this, but the major comment I have to say about the catalog offerings is that if MTH has omitted the inclusion of scale wheels with the rolling stock and no scale option on the locomotives as S Helper did, there may not be the support from the scale side if they have to spend extra money to get the same units. For a minor initial investment on MTH's part, they may be missing the boat. I certainly have no issue with the offerings, it's pretty much as expected based on previously released information, I like the addition of the CNJ and Seaboard F-3's, but maybe a little more diversity in roadnames for the box cars. > > Steven Allen > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@> wrote: > > > > I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver tail. It's a classic. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > > > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP Daylight. MR > > > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top Lounge, the most > > > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of passenger cars, > > > some 80~85¹ ones. > > > > > > Roy Inman > > > > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@> > > > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new > > > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our > > > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will > > > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best > > > value period. > > > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring > > > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again > > > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a > > > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I > > > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. > > > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars > > > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to > > > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective > > > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > > > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I > > > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people > > > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era > > > was over. > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , boss31@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72129	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Hank, The new  S catalog  is now listed on MTH's Home page. All I did was click on it and it opened in a new tab. Hope this helps.        Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog   Hay folks can someone reissue catalog Email site for the new MTH Sga stuff including the new engines. My site seems to be page not found at this time . Thanks Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@...> wrote: > > This may not be the forum for this, but the major comment I have to say about the catalog offerings is that if MTH has omitted the inclusion of scale wheels with the rolling stock and no scale option on the locomotives as S Helper did, there may not be the support from the scale side if they have to spend extra money to get the same units. For a minor initial investment on MTH's part, they may be missing the boat. I certainly have no issue with the offerings, it's pretty much as expected based on previously released information, I like the addition of the CNJ and Seaboard F-3's, but maybe a little more diversity in roadnames for the box cars. > > Steven Allen > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@> wrote: > > > > I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver tail. It's a classic. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > > > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP Daylight. MR > > > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top Lounge, the most > > > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of passenger cars, > > > some 80~85¹ ones. > > > > > > Roy Inman > > > > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@> > > > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new > > > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our > > > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will > > > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best > > > value period. > > > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring > > > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again > > > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a > > > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I > > > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. > > > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars > > > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to > > > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective > > > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > > > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I > > > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people > > > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era > > > was over. > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , boss31@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72130	From: alan smith	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

If you have a MAC with an older O S you won't be able to see the Catalog. On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:11 PM, henrykoshollek wrote: > Hay folks can someone reissue catalog Email site for the new MTH Sga > stuff including the new engines. My site seems to be page not found > at this time . Thanks Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@...> > wrote: > > > > This may not be the forum for this, but the major comment I have > to say about the catalog offerings is that if MTH has omitted the > inclusion of scale wheels with the rolling stock and no scale option > on the locomotives as S Helper did, there may not be the support > from the scale side if they have to spend extra money to get the > same units. For a minor initial investment on MTH's part, they may > be missing the boat. I certainly have no issue with the offerings, > it's pretty much as expected based on previously released > information, I like the addition of the CNJ and Seaboard F-3's, but > maybe a little more diversity in roadnames for the box cars. > > > > Steven Allen > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@> wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility > with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but > I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. > And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. > I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree > with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver > tail. It's a classic. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP > Daylight. MR > > > > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top > Lounge, the most > > > > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of > passenger cars, > > > > some 80~85�� ones. > > > > > > > > Roy Inman > > > > > > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@> > > > > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > > > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked > for new > > > > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to > help our > > > > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what > we now will > > > > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS > was the best > > > > value period. > > > > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping > they bring > > > > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP > -38s . Again > > > > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have > deeper pockets a > > > > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. > Personally I > > > > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank > you,Thank you,. > > > > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to > issue cars > > > > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has > issues and needs to > > > > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our > collective > > > > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > , > > > > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was > getting at the end. I > > > > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the > outrageous prices people > > > > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were > thinking the SHS era > > > > was over. > > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > , boss31@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72131	From: john	Date: 4/20/2013
Subject: switches

We are looking for a good used set of switches for a 1947 S-gauge train set my Grandson (he is seven) recently received. We have the needed track but I would like to get him a set of switches for his June Birthday. Any idea what to look for and what NOT to look for? Also, am willing to buy a set if anyone has a good used set (need the controllers and the switches). Colin loves this train set - he had a very big 14x14 Lionel set which takes up an entire room) but now spends all his time with the S-gauge set set up in his bedroom. Contact me off group at <shontz@...>. I have no idea how much to pay for a set of good used switches. The track that he has also, I think, dates to 1947. Thanks, John Shontz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72132	From: Herbert	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

If the MTH homepage link does not work, try this: http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/i\ ndex.html <http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/\ index.html> Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "henrykoshollek" wrote: > > Hay folks can someone reissue catalog Email site for the new MTH Sga stuff including the new engines. My site seems to be page not found at this time . Thanks Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" allens1017@ wrote: > > > > This may not be the forum for this, but the major comment I have to say about the catalog offerings is that if MTH has omitted the inclusion of scale wheels with the rolling stock and no scale option on the locomotives as S Helper did, there may not be the support from the scale side if they have to spend extra money to get the same units. For a minor initial investment on MTH's part, they may be missing the boat. I certainly have no issue with the offerings, it's pretty much as expected based on previously released information, I like the addition of the CNJ and Seaboard F-3's, but maybe a little more diversity in roadnames for the box cars. > > > > Steven Allen > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver tail. It's a classic. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP Daylight. MR > > > > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top Lounge, the most > > > > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of passenger cars, > > > > some 80~85¹ ones. > > > > > > > > Roy Inman > > > > > > > > From: henrykoshollek > > > > Reply-To: S-trains S-trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > > > > To: S-trains S-trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new > > > > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our > > > > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will > > > > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best > > > > value period. > > > > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring > > > > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again > > > > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a > > > > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I > > > > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. > > > > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars > > > > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to > > > > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective > > > > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , > > > > "rapidrail1" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I > > > > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people > > > > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era > > > > was over. > > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , boss31@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72133	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC

I don't know anything about DCS and stuff, but I read the same section you are describing and came away with the same thought. I have converted all my stuff to plain DC. I was having too much trouble with the different sound systems not being reliable. The only one I have not converted yet is TMCC but if that become unreliable I will convert those too. Yes, I know this is more boring, but it is more reliable. Reading the MTH catalog, it looks like these engines can be run is regular DC and AC because they will read the current and determine what system is there. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote: > > I previously indicated that I'd like to see MTH offer a way to > coordinate it's Protosound system with Lionel's TMCC system, primarily > because I have TMCC equipment that I'd like to operate in conjunction > with Protosound equipment and use the full capabilities of each. I > wrote that "wish" thinking it was not yet possible because the initial > information about the MTH's S gauge products that I saw on it's website > did not include the catalog. I have now seen the full catalog. I > previously wrote MTH several times about the topic of coordinating with > TMCC and received no information or helpful response. So that is why I > am in the dark on this subject. > > In the back of the catalog there is a list of the DCS options offered by > MTH. If starting fresh, that system may be fine. However, there is > something shown on the DCS page called a DCS/TMCC cable that somehow > connects the systems. This intrigues me because it implies that somehow > the systems can work together. Does anyone know if this is possible? > If so, can the DCS system when communicating with the TMCC system take > advantage of all of the sounds and capabilities on TMCC locomotives? > Does an operator have to buy a full DCS system to connect to the TMCC > system to take advantage of both systems? Any information on DCS in > this regard would be appreciated. Unfortunately in order to push it's > DCS system MTH chose not to provide information of this sort. It would > have been helpful to have at least a few sentences about connecting the > system. I will be more impressed with what MTH is offering/preparing to > offer if I know this capability exists. > > Also, does the DCS system require the use of computer software to > program it and to take advantage of Protosounds and Railsounds > capabilities, at least at the most basic level? I'm sure the software > is needed to do advanced train operations. I'm more interested in > knowing if the system can be set up and operate with initially > installing special software. I know with my TMCC system and equipment I > could set it up and run it without special software. > > Tom Detmer >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72134	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC

Wayne, I sure can appreciate the idea of switching to DC even though its non-traditional. The problem for me is even if I made that decision I have so many locomotives with AC motors that it becomes expensive to switch. I suspect that many of us are committed down one road or the other and it's hard to make a change at this point. Tom Sent from my iPhone On Apr 21, 2013, at 6:34 AM, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > I don't know anything about DCS and stuff, but I read the same section you are describing and came away with the same thought. I have converted all my stuff to plain DC. I was having too much trouble with the different sound systems not being reliable. The only one I have not converted yet is TMCC but if that become unreliable I will convert those too. Yes, I know this is more boring, but it is more reliable. Reading the MTH catalog, it looks like these engines can be run is regular DC and AC because they will read the current and determine what system is there. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote: > > > > I previously indicated that I'd like to see MTH offer a way to > > coordinate it's Protosound system with Lionel's TMCC system, primarily > > because I have TMCC equipment that I'd like to operate in conjunction > > with Protosound equipment and use the full capabilities of each. I > > wrote that "wish" thinking it was not yet possible because the initial > > information about the MTH's S gauge products that I saw on it's website > > did not include the catalog. I have now seen the full catalog. I > > previously wrote MTH several times about the topic of coordinating with > > TMCC and received no information or helpful response. So that is why I > > am in the dark on this subject. > > > > In the back of the catalog there is a list of the DCS options offered by > > MTH. If starting fresh, that system may be fine. However, there is > > something shown on the DCS page called a DCS/TMCC cable that somehow > > connects the systems. This intrigues me because it implies that somehow > > the systems can work together. Does anyone know if this is possible? > > If so, can the DCS system when communicating with the TMCC system take > > advantage of all of the sounds and capabilities on TMCC locomotives? > > Does an operator have to buy a full DCS system to connect to the TMCC > > system to take advantage of both systems? Any information on DCS in > > this regard would be appreciated. Unfortunately in order to push it's > > DCS system MTH chose not to provide information of this sort. It would > > have been helpful to have at least a few sentences about connecting the > > system. I will be more impressed with what MTH is offering/preparing to > > offer if I know this capability exists. > > > > Also, does the DCS system require the use of computer software to > > program it and to take advantage of Protosounds and Railsounds > > capabilities, at least at the most basic level? I'm sure the software > > is needed to do advanced train operations. I'm more interested in > > knowing if the system can be set up and operate with initially > > installing special software. I know with my TMCC system and equipment I > > could set it up and run it without special software. > > > > Tom Detmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72135	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC

Here is a link to a DCS manual on the MTH web site that has a lot of info about DCS and TMCC, including setup and operation.   http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/download/instruction/20as14017i.pdf   Some excerpts:   With DCS you can control every command-capable locomotive on your layout, including TMCC locomotives, independently.   Proto-Sound 2.0 with DCS is the first train control system on the O Gauge market that allows individual control over TMCC and Proto-Sound 2.0 engines on the same track at the same time. When you connect a Lionel® Command Base into the DCS TIU you can operate DCS locomotives in Command Mode, Trainmaster® locomotives in Command Mode, and Conventional locomotives on the same track at the same time, all with a single DCS Remote.   You can use multiple remotes to run the same engine. The last command given from any remote takes precedence in this case. You could also opt to control your DCS engines and TMCC® engines on the same layout, each controlled by its own respective remote; their signals will not interfere with each other.     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72136	From: The Reardon's	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC, etc.

Does anyone know? I'm a dinasour. I still operate with traditional Gilbert AC Transformers, and with my S-Helper engines, I operate in AC-Locomatic. I do not know if the MTH engines will recognize the Locomatic controller, or will I need to operate these new engines in conventional AC only? Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72137	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/21/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72138	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC, etc.

From: Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas Pat, Glad you brought that up. I too have SHS locomatic control. Hope someone from MTH can answer that. Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: The Reardon's <preardon@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH and TMCC, etc.   Does anyone know? I'm a dinasour. I still operate with traditional Gilbert AC Transformers, and with my S-Helper engines, I operate in AC-Locomatic. I do not know if the MTH engines will recognize the Locomatic controller, or will I need to operate these new engines in conventional AC only? Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72139	From: Ernest Mennecke	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Lionel 90 degree crossovers

I was looking at page 26 of the new Lionel catalog, the 90 degree crossover. I don't know what Lionel is thinking here but I see a dead short every time a metal wheel goes through it. Look closely for yourself and you will see the four corner intersections have just a slit where the original Flyer 90's had a plastic corner. Also I was under the impression that Lionel used nickel silver rail. What I see here appears to be rolled brass sheet and not solid rail. This sure looks better than my old Flyer 90, but until my concerns are met I am very reluctant. I surely don't want to start a massive fireworks show or having my train suddenly go into reverse every time I run a train through this. Has anyone else noticed this? Ernie Mennecke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72140	From: rhicks308	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel 90 degree crossovers

You're right. Even worse, for the 45 degree crossover it looks like the two acute angle frogs are soldered together, there's no gap at all. So the two tracks cannot be wired independently. Who thought that was a good idea? The only solution would be just to run through them faster. :) Randall --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ernest Mennecke <emennecke@...> wrote: > > I was looking at page 26 of the new Lionel catalog, the 90 degree crossover. I don't know what Lionel is thinking here but I see a dead short every time a metal wheel goes through it. Look closely for yourself and you will see the four corner intersections have just a slit where the original Flyer 90's had a plastic corner. Also I was under the impression that Lionel used nickel silver rail. What I see here appears to be rolled brass sheet and not solid rail. This sure looks better than my old Flyer 90, but until my concerns are met I am very reluctant. I surely don't want to start a massive fireworks show or having my train suddenly go into reverse every time I run a train through this. Has anyone else noticed this? > Ernie Mennecke > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72141	From: tiga34@att.net	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC

Tom: The cable that MTH refers to connects Lionel's TMCC Command Base #6-12911 to MTH's system via MTH TIU. Once the Lionel loco is programed into the MTH system all one needs to do is call it up on the MTH hand held controller and off you go. Do not know if one can run SHS Loco controlled loco's no the MTH system. I would think not. And, on I don't believe one has to computer program the system to operate Railsounds & Photosounds. You will need a complete DCS system to run the Lionel TMCC. Don't know if it works the other way around. At least that is the way it works on my O layout. You should really talk to a MTH dealer about all this. It can be intimidating at the start but hang in there. Hope this helps some. Art Ferguson --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote: > > I previously indicated that I'd like to see MTH offer a way to > coordinate it's Protosound system with Lionel's TMCC system, primarily > because I have TMCC equipment that I'd like to operate in conjunction > with Protosound equipment and use the full capabilities of each. I > wrote that "wish" thinking it was not yet possible because the initial > information about the MTH's S gauge products that I saw on it's website > did not include the catalog. I have now seen the full catalog. I > previously wrote MTH several times about the topic of coordinating with > TMCC and received no information or helpful response. So that is why I > am in the dark on this subject. > > In the back of the catalog there is a list of the DCS options offered by > MTH. If starting fresh, that system may be fine. However, there is > something shown on the DCS page called a DCS/TMCC cable that somehow > connects the systems. This intrigues me because it implies that somehow > the systems can work together. Does anyone know if this is possible? > If so, can the DCS system when communicating with the TMCC system take > advantage of all of the sounds and capabilities on TMCC locomotives? > Does an operator have to buy a full DCS system to connect to the TMCC > system to take advantage of both systems? Any information on DCS in > this regard would be appreciated. Unfortunately in order to push it's > DCS system MTH chose not to provide information of this sort. It would > have been helpful to have at least a few sentences about connecting the > system. I will be more impressed with what MTH is offering/preparing to > offer if I know this capability exists. > > Also, does the DCS system require the use of computer software to > program it and to take advantage of Protosounds and Railsounds > capabilities, at least at the most basic level? I'm sure the software > is needed to do advanced train operations. I'm more interested in > knowing if the system can be set up and operate with initially > installing special software. I know with my TMCC system and equipment I > could set it up and run it without special software. > > Tom Detmer >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72142	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC

FWIW The MTH DCS system can run conventional AC, DCS and (with the addition of a TMCC command base) TMCC. Brady Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Tom Detmer <detmer@...> Sent: Sun Apr 21 06:47:37 CDT 2013 To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH and TMCC Wayne, I sure can appreciate the idea of switching to DC even though its non-traditional. The problem for me is even if I made that decision I have so many locomotives with AC motors that it becomes expensive to switch. I suspect that many of us are committed down one road or the other and it's hard to make a change at this point. Tom Sent from my iPhone On Apr 21, 2013, at 6:34 AM, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > I don't know anything about DCS and stuff, but I read the same section you are describing and came away with the same thought. I have converted all my stuff to plain DC. I was having too much trouble with the different sound systems not being reliable. The only one I have not converted yet is TMCC but if that become unreliable I will convert those too. Yes, I know this is more boring, but it is more reliable. Reading the MTH catalog, it looks like these engines can be run is regular DC and AC because they will read the current and determine what system is there. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote: > > > > I previously indicated that I'd like to see MTH offer a way to > > coordinate it's Protosound system with Lionel's TMCC system, primarily > > because I have TMCC equipment that I'd like to operate in conjunction > > with Protosound equipment and use the full capabilities of each. I > > wrote that "wish" thinking it was not yet possible because the initial > > information about the MTH's S gauge products that I saw on it's website > > did not include the catalog. I have now seen the full catalog. I > > previously wrote MTH several times about the topic of coordinating with > > TMCC and received no information or helpful response. So that is why I > > am in the dark on this subject. > > > > In the back of the catalog there is a list of the DCS options offered by > > MTH. If starting fresh, that system may be fine. However, there is > > something shown on the DCS page called a DCS/TMCC cable that somehow > > connects the systems. This intrigues me because it implies that somehow > > the systems can work together. Does anyone know if this is possible? > > If so, can the DCS system when communicating with the TMCC system take > > advantage of all of the sounds and capabilities on TMCC locomotives? > > Does an operator have to buy a full DCS system to connect to the TMCC > > system to take advantage of both systems? Any information on DCS in > > this regard would be appreciated. Unfortunately in order to push it's > > DCS system MTH chose not to provide information of this sort. It would > > have been helpful to have at least a few sentences about connecting the > > system. I will be more impressed with what MTH is offering/preparing to > > offer if I know this capability exists. > > > > Also, does the DCS system require the use of computer software to > > program it and to take advantage of Protosounds and Railsounds > > capabilities, at least at the most basic level? I'm sure the software > > is needed to do advanced train operations. I'm more interested in > > knowing if the system can be set up and operate with initially > > installing special software. I know with my TMCC system and equipment I > > could set it up and run it without special software. > > > > Tom Detmer > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72143	From: henrykoshollek	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

Thanks----------- Hank --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alan smith <alansmith@...> wrote: > > If you have a MAC with an older O S you won't be able to see the > Catalog. > > > > On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:11 PM, henrykoshollek wrote: > > > Hay folks can someone reissue catalog Email site for the new MTH Sga > > stuff including the new engines. My site seems to be page not found > > at this time . Thanks Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@> > > wrote: > > > > > > This may not be the forum for this, but the major comment I have > > to say about the catalog offerings is that if MTH has omitted the > > inclusion of scale wheels with the rolling stock and no scale option > > on the locomotives as S Helper did, there may not be the support > > from the scale side if they have to spend extra money to get the > > same units. For a minor initial investment on MTH's part, they may > > be missing the boat. I certainly have no issue with the offerings, > > it's pretty much as expected based on previously released > > information, I like the addition of the CNJ and Seaboard F-3's, but > > maybe a little more diversity in roadnames for the box cars. > > > > > > Steven Allen > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility > > with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but > > I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. > > And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. > > I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree > > with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver > > tail. It's a classic. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP > > Daylight. MR > > > > > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top > > Lounge, the most > > > > > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of > > passenger cars, > > > > > some 80~85¹ ones. > > > > > > > > > > Roy Inman > > > > > > > > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@> > > > > > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > > > > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > > > > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked > > for new > > > > > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to > > help our > > > > > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what > > we now will > > > > > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS > > was the best > > > > > value period. > > > > > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping > > they bring > > > > > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP > > -38s . Again > > > > > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have > > deeper pockets a > > > > > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. > > Personally I > > > > > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank > > you,Thank you,. > > > > > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to > > issue cars > > > > > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has > > issues and needs to > > > > > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our > > collective > > > > > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > > , > > > > > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was > > getting at the end. I > > > > > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the > > outrageous prices people > > > > > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were > > thinking the SHS era > > > > > was over. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > > , boss31@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72144	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 4/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and TMCC

Art: Thanks for your advice on this. What you've said makes sense and I think the whole thing is encouraging. I just want the systems to work together. I hope MTH will provide more information on this topic to S gaugers, although perhaps we can locate an MTH dealer to help as you suggest. MTH has not been very forthcoming with information so far, but maybe that's because they're trying to prioritize what they do and this is low on their list. The good news for me is I don't need the information immediately but if I want to buy something from MTH I'm going to want to know the scoop. As others have said it would be nice to support MTH so they are encouraged to develop their S gauge products. Tom Detmer On 4/21/2013 6:22 PM, tiga34@... wrote: > > > > Tom: > The cable that MTH refers to connects Lionel's TMCC > Command Base #6-12911 to MTH's system via MTH TIU. Once > the Lionel loco is programed into the MTH system all one > needs to do is call it up on the MTH hand held controller > and off you go. Do not know if one can run SHS Loco controlled > loco's no the MTH system. I would think not. > And, on I don't believe one has to computer program the > system to operate Railsounds & Photosounds. You will need > a complete DCS system to run the Lionel TMCC. Don't know > if it works the other way around. At least that is the way > it works on my O layout. You should really talk to a MTH > dealer about all this. It can be intimidating at the start > but hang in there. > Hope this helps some. > Art Ferguson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72145	From: john	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Thanks Mr Barker!

Tom, Just got done rebuilding the smoke unit on my 302 Atlantic. WOW, what a difference! Thanks for the clear explanation that made this a simple job. Much to my surprise I managed to get it right on the first try! Thanks again JBB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72146	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog

list: for those with older mac systems 10.0-10.4, you are out of luck, however tom detmer posted a link a few days back, that almost covers the entire catalog, the only missing section is the f-3's but you can go to scenery unlimited, and viola, there they are, i'm surprised that whoever wrote the code for the pages used an obsolete package, anyway mth has been advised, and hopefully they will use a more current package in the future mel perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72147	From: none	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel 90 degree crossovers

Hey all, in regards to the new AF Fastrack crossovers have a little faith. Don't put too much stock in a catalog photo. Lionel does use a "cut-and-paste" method for showing pre-production shots of upcoming items if the item doesn't exist yet. When they first offered pictures of the S gauge Fastrack switches they were O36 switches airbrushing out the center rail to show two rail switches. The rail shown was clearly the O gauge rolled rail type and as you now know the actual rail is solid rail. I would think this major corporation is aware of electrical polarity issues with two rail track and is able to design track components accordingly. After all, they do own all Flyer technology (even the old stuff)and the old 90 degree crossovers and turnouts will show them the way. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72148	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Home Layouts Needed For Banning, CA, Train Festival (October)

This is the first call for layouts for the Banning Centennial Train Festival on October 19th and 20th. The Festival will feature railroad history and artifact exhibits, children's train rides, displays of current railroad and transit operations, model railroad presentations, hobby clinics, modular model railroads, a model train and railroad collectible/antique swap meet and exhibitor booths for historical, hobby and community groups. We're looking for operating layouts in any scale (including garden railroads) in the area in and around Banning, including Beaumont, Calimesa, Cherry Valley, Redlands and Yucaipa. Owners may elect to be open either or both days. As always, this will be a free, self-guided model railroad tour sponsored by my Yahoo group, Model Railroads of Southern California. The tours are designed to promote the hobby and allow layout owners to showcase their work. All owners need to do is operate their trains. I will do all the planning and publicity, as I have done for thirty-eight other tours since 2006. Please contact me OFF LIST at chiefbobbb@... if you are interested in displaying your layout or know someone who may be interested. Thank you. Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/ Festival Website: http://banning100birthday.com/2012/11/26/centennial-train-fest/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72149	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: I Love Toy Trains

To those who have RFD TV in their tv packages, Thursday's episode of "I Love Toy Trains" is scheduled to include Carl Tuveson's S-gauge layout. Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72150	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains

Hello Arnold, RFD TV is mostly a farm related channel. It is included in my Dish Net package, I also had it earlier on Direct TV. Obie To: Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com From: arsenak@... Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains On 4/22/2013 10:28 AM, Obie Bell wrote: To those who have RFD TV in their tv packages, Thursday's episode of "I Love Toy Trains" is scheduled to include Carl Tuveson's S-gauge layout. Obie Bell OBIE, thanks much for the heads up on Carl Tuvesons layout (which should be a lot better to view on a full size TV rather than on You Tube) But, gosh, what is RFD TV...Well, I have 4 days to research this..Thanks again, Arnold Kloian in Berkeley,Calif.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72151	From: Roger Huber	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains

RFDTV has a 1 hour train show on @ 3am CST and usually shows Herron or Mark I videos. Also has 1/2 hr I love Toy Trains @1am CST. I believe that runs on Wednesday but not sure.   Roger Huber --- On Mon, 4/22/13, Obie Bell <bellokdaka@...> wrote: From: Obie Bell <bellokdaka@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains To: "Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com" <modern-flyer@yahoogroups.com>, "s-trains@yahoogroups.com" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, April 22, 2013, 6:21 PM   Hello Arnold, RFD TV is mostly a farm related channel. It is included in my Dish Net package, I also had it earlier on Direct TV. Obie To: Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com From: arsenak@... Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains On 4/22/2013 10:28 AM, Obie Bell wrote: To those who have RFD TV in their tv packages, Thursday's episode of "I Love Toy Trains" is scheduled to include Carl Tuveson's S-gauge layout. Obie Bell OBIE, thanks much for the heads up on Carl Tuvesons layout (which should be a lot better to view on a full size TV rather than on You Tube) But, gosh, what is RFD TV...Well, I have 4 days to research this..Thanks again, Arnold Kloian in Berkeley,Calif.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72152	From: carl4flyer	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains

On the RFDTV web site schedule: "April 25 | 4:00 pm EST" "Dennis Peffer grew up with toy trains but today he prefers running scale trains made by MTH. Carl Tuveson runs realistic looking 2-rail S gauge trains." _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Huber Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains RFDTV has a 1 hour train show on @ 3am CST and usually shows Herron or Mark I videos. Also has 1/2 hr I love Toy Trains @1am CST. I believe that runs on Wednesday but not sure. Roger Huber --- On Mon, 4/22/13, Obie Bell <bellokdaka@... <mailto:bellokdaka%40live.com> > wrote: From: Obie Bell <bellokdaka@... <mailto:bellokdaka%40live.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains To: "Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Modern-Flyer%40yahoogroups.com> " <modern-flyer@yahoogroups.com <mailto:modern-flyer%40yahoogroups.com> >, "s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> " <s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, April 22, 2013, 6:21 PM Hello Arnold, RFD TV is mostly a farm related channel. It is included in my Dish Net package, I also had it earlier on Direct TV. Obie To: Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Modern-Flyer%40yahoogroups.com> From: arsenak@... <mailto:arsenak%40pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:47:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains On 4/22/2013 10:28 AM, Obie Bell wrote: To those who have RFD TV in their tv packages, Thursday's episode of "I Love Toy Trains" is scheduled to include Carl Tuveson's S-gauge layout. Obie Bell OBIE, thanks much for the heads up on Carl Tuvesons layout (which should be a lot better to view on a full size TV rather than on You Tube) But, gosh, what is RFD TV...Well, I have 4 days to research this..Thanks again, Arnold Kloian in Berkeley,Calif.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72153	From: O. David Mylander	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains

________________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Obie Bell [bellokdaka@...] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:28 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] I Love Toy Trains To those who have RFD TV in their tv packages, Thursday's episode of "I Love Toy Trains" is scheduled to include Carl Tuveson's S-gauge layout. Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72154	From: Bill Nielsen	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog url

This works with my Mac using OS 10.4, but the font chosen by MTH is difficult to read, even in the "zoomed" mode; <http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/html5/index.html?page=1&server=> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "henrykoshollek" <henrykoshollek@...> wrote: > > Hay folks can someone reissue catalog Email site for the new MTH Sga stuff including the new engines. My site seems to be page not found at this time . Thanks Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@> wrote: > > > > This may not be the forum for this, but the major comment I have to say about the catalog offerings is that if MTH has omitted the inclusion of scale wheels with the rolling stock and no scale option on the locomotives as S Helper did, there may not be the support from the scale side if they have to spend extra money to get the same units. For a minor initial investment on MTH's part, they may be missing the boat. I certainly have no issue with the offerings, it's pretty much as expected based on previously released information, I like the addition of the CNJ and Seaboard F-3's, but maybe a little more diversity in roadnames for the box cars. > > > > Steven Allen > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@> wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver tail. It's a classic. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP Daylight. MR > > > > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top Lounge, the most > > > > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of passenger cars, > > > > some 80~85¹ ones. > > > > > > > > Roy Inman > > > > > > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@> > > > > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > > > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have asked for new > > > > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing to help our > > > > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is what we now will > > > > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think SHS was the best > > > > value period. > > > > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm hoping they bring > > > > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line GP -38s . Again > > > > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have deeper pockets a > > > > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. Personally I > > > > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,. > > > > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready to issue cars > > > > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has issues and needs to > > > > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our collective > > > > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > > > > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was getting at the end. I > > > > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the outrageous prices people > > > > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were thinking the SHS era > > > > was over. > > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , boss31@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72155	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Stopping further damage

Greetings, I picked up a very-good-on-one-side Dixie Lines boxcar over the weekend, but unfortunately the other side has paint flaking off and the top has one small spot beginning to flake as well. The car is kind of dirty too, so cleaning before treatment will be a challenge and likely problematic. Go slow and be careful I suppose. Is there a recommended way to 'seal' the existing paint to stop future flaking? Hopefully there is a good way to get a single surface over the existing fractured paint. For whatever reason, it did not adhere well to the underlying plastic. I am hopeful the remaining original paint will stay attached to the car and support a new 'topcoat'. Thanks in advance. Ben Colley Hallsville, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72156	From: alan smith	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog url

I found If you download the catalog the pictures can the expanded thus making the verbiage very readable. Running an I Mac with 10.5.8 Alan On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Bill Nielsen wrote: > This works with my Mac using OS 10.4, but the font chosen by MTH is > difficult to read, even in the "zoomed" mode; <http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/html5/index.html?page=1&server= > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "henrykoshollek" > <henrykoshollek@...> wrote: > > > > Hay folks can someone reissue catalog Email site for the new MTH > Sga stuff including the new engines. My site seems to be page not > found at this time . Thanks Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@> wrote: > > > > > > This may not be the forum for this, but the major comment I have > to say about the catalog offerings is that if MTH has omitted the > inclusion of scale wheels with the rolling stock and no scale option > on the locomotives as S Helper did, there may not be the support > from the scale side if they have to spend extra money to get the > same units. For a minor initial investment on MTH's part, they may > be missing the boat. I certainly have no issue with the offerings, > it's pretty much as expected based on previously released > information, I like the addition of the CNJ and Seaboard F-3's, but > maybe a little more diversity in roadnames for the box cars. > > > > > > Steven Allen > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility > with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but > I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. > And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. > I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree > with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver > tail. It's a classic. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP > Daylight. MR > > > > > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top > Lounge, the most > > > > > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of > passenger cars, > > > > > some 80~85�� ones. > > > > > > > > > > Roy Inman > > > > > > > > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@> > > > > > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > > > > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > > > > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have > asked for new > > > > > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing > to help our > > > > > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is > what we now will > > > > > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think > SHS was the best > > > > > value period. > > > > > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm > hoping they bring > > > > > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line > GP -38s . Again > > > > > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have > deeper pockets a > > > > > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. > Personally I > > > > > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank > you,Thank you,. > > > > > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready > to issue cars > > > > > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has > issues and needs to > > > > > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our > collective > > > > > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > , > > > > > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was > getting at the end. I > > > > > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the > outrageous prices people > > > > > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were > thinking the SHS era > > > > > was over. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > , boss31@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72157	From: Art Cooper	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains

Hi There Thanks for pointing this out. I look forward to watching. I am not familiar with RFD-TV but have confirmed that it is available on DIRECTV at #345 – will be watching Thanks Again Art Cooper Richardson, TX From: Obie Bell Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:28 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains To those who have RFD TV in their tv packages, Thursday's episode of "I Love Toy Trains" is scheduled to include Carl Tuveson's S-gauge layout. Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72158	From: Rich	Date: 4/22/2013
Subject: MTH and Lionel catalogs

Folks -- you should be able to download these catalogs as pdf files, which makes reading them a lot easier (and faster). At least on my MAC (running 10.8) there is an icon list to the left of the catalog (after it fully loads) and among them is a downward-facing arrow that signifies download. I found that when clicking on this icon that it gave me three choices - PC, MAC and pdf. I chose the last in each case and it downloaded as a pdf file. I've checked on each file, using both MAC's preview app and adobe reader and both render the catalogs fine. BTW, Lionel lists a Berkshire (2-8-4) as a loco in several Flyonel sets - apparently to be offered in 2014. No price listed. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72159	From: Thomas	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: Thanks Mr Barker!

I am so glad you were able to get your 302 smoking. It is amazing how well these trains were built and continue to run after over 60 years! Thanks for preserving the heritage of the AC Gilbert Company. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "john" <vytis1952@...> wrote: > > Tom, Just got done rebuilding the smoke unit on my 302 Atlantic. WOW, what a difference! Thanks for the clear explanation that made this a simple job. Much to my surprise I managed to get it right on the first try! > Thanks again > JBB >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72160	From: polichar	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Catalog url

----- Original Message ----- From: "alan smith" <alansmith@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog url I found If you download the catalog the pictures can the expanded thus making the verbiage very readable. Running an I Mac with 10.5.8 Alan On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Bill Nielsen wrote: > This works with my Mac using OS 10.4, but the font chosen by MTH is > difficult to read, even in the "zoomed" mode; > <http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/catalog_files/2013_sgauge/html5/index.html?page=1&server= > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "henrykoshollek" > <henrykoshollek@...> wrote: > > > > Hay folks can someone reissue catalog Email site for the new MTH > Sga stuff including the new engines. My site seems to be page not > found at this time . Thanks Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@> wrote: > > > > > > This may not be the forum for this, but the major comment I have > to say about the catalog offerings is that if MTH has omitted the > inclusion of scale wheels with the rolling stock and no scale option > on the locomotives as S Helper did, there may not be the support > from the scale side if they have to spend extra money to get the > same units. For a minor initial investment on MTH's part, they may > be missing the boat. I certainly have no issue with the offerings, > it's pretty much as expected based on previously released > information, I like the addition of the CNJ and Seaboard F-3's, but > maybe a little more diversity in roadnames for the box cars. > > > > > > Steven Allen > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom Detmer <detmer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with Hank although I'd like to see some compatibility > with the TMCC technology. Yes, I know they're different systems but > I'd sure like my TMCC locos to run on MTH's system or vice versa. > And, before anyone says it, I don't mean run in conventional mode. > I'm talking command mode and MTH's equivalent system. I also agree > with Roy that I'd like to see that Hiawatha set with the beaver > tail. It's a classic. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On my wish list: The art deco diesels, including the SP > Daylight. MR > > > > > Hiawatha and cars (beaver tail). MR F units, and Sky Top > Lounge, the most > > > > > beautiful end car ever!!! Passenger cars, lots and lots of > passenger cars, > > > > > some 80~85¹ ones. > > > > > > > > > > Roy Inman > > > > > > > > > > From: henrykoshollek <henrykoshollek@> > > > > > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:25:46 +0000 > > > > > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Catalog > > > > > > > > > > In response to our group reply on the MTH stuff we have > asked for new > > > > > models and finally now we have a major manufacture willing > to help our > > > > > hobby. Yes they are a few bucks more but a quality car is > what we now will > > > > > have.Also they will hold there value.I for one still think > SHS was the best > > > > > value period. > > > > > Awaiting their line up of engines steam and diesel. I'm > hoping they bring > > > > > out a set of geeps and small steamers or better, short line > GP -38s . Again > > > > > we asked and now have received our wish.Yes, when I have > deeper pockets a > > > > > string of Milwaukee Rd covered hoppers will grace my layout. > Personally I > > > > > say MTH,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank you,Thank > you,Thank you,. > > > > > Also I hope that Flyonel sees this as a company thats ready > to issue cars > > > > > of value . That light weight stuff from the toy lion has > issues and needs to > > > > > addressed.I hope we Sga fans help and make MTH part of our > collective > > > > > Railoadianna Sga pikes. Hank(AFBOXCAR)Koshollek > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > , > > > > > "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the prices were about the same that SHS was > getting at the end. I > > > > > was actually pleasantly surprised. Has anyone seen the > outrageous prices people > > > > > are getting on ebay for this stuff? I guess people were > thinking the SHS era > > > > > was over. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > , boss31@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice stuff but expensive.... > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72161	From: reefma_99	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: Thanks Mr Barker!

Can someone point me to the message with the smoke unit rebuilding instructions? Thanks! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas" <tbbeqa@...> wrote: > > I am so glad you were able to get your 302 smoking. It is amazing how well these trains were built and continue to run after over 60 years! Thanks for preserving the heritage of the AC Gilbert Company. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "john" <vytis1952@> wrote: > > > > Tom, Just got done rebuilding the smoke unit on my 302 Atlantic. WOW, what a difference! Thanks for the clear explanation that made this a simple job. Much to my surprise I managed to get it right on the first try! > > Thanks again > > JBB > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72162	From: Martin	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: MTH and Lionel catalogs

“Folks -- you should be able to download these catalogs as pdf files” Yes we should be able to, I could not see any place to download. I would much rather have a printed copy, far easier to read & stick post-it notes too. Who do we request a free catalog from? If you know where or how to download or request paper catalog, please share. PC with Firefox Browser (to block all the popups that plague IE) Thanks, Marty (Yonson) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72163	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains

Carl, I would love to watch. Unfortunately our FIOS plan does not include RFDTV. We have the Xtreme Plan. It is one level above the basic plan (which does have RFDTV) and one level below the Ultimate Plan (which also includes RFDTV). I have called and asked Verizon why the middle plan skips a channel the less expensive base plan includes. No one there knows and the only way for us to get it is to downgrade or upgrade. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > On the RFDTV web site schedule: > > > > "April 25 | 4:00 pm EST" > > > > "Dennis Peffer grew up with toy trains but today he prefers running scale > trains made by MTH. > > Carl Tuveson runs realistic looking 2-rail S gauge trains."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72164	From: carl4flyer	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains

Well we have ATT Uverse and it RFDTV is not offered. We used to have direct TV and I watched RFD often then. The DVD is still available at: http://www.tmbv.com/Hi-Rail-Layouts-Part-2/productinfo/HIRAIL2/ Pretty good DVD if I do say so my self :-) Carl _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sgaugian Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains Carl, I would love to watch. Unfortunately our FIOS plan does not include RFDTV. We have the Xtreme Plan. It is one level above the basic plan (which does have RFDTV) and one level below the Ultimate Plan (which also includes RFDTV). I have called and asked Verizon why the middle plan skips a channel the less expensive base plan includes. No one there knows and the only way for us to get it is to downgrade or upgrade. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , <carl@...> wrote: > > On the RFDTV web site schedule: > > > > "April 25 | 4:00 pm EST" > > > > "Dennis Peffer grew up with toy trains but today he prefers running scale > trains made by MTH. > > Carl Tuveson runs realistic looking 2-rail S gauge trains." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72165	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains

You have every right to say so, Carl. Nice going! I’ve already got it cued up for both showings (Directv). Bruce From: carl@... Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains Well we have ATT Uverse and it RFDTV is not offered. We used to have direct TV and I watched RFD often then. The DVD is still available at: http://www.tmbv.com/Hi-Rail-Layouts-Part-2/productinfo/HIRAIL2/ Pretty good DVD if I do say so my self :-) Carl _____ From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sgaugian Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:59 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains Carl, I would love to watch. Unfortunately our FIOS plan does not include RFDTV. We have the Xtreme Plan. It is one level above the basic plan (which does have RFDTV) and one level below the Ultimate Plan (which also includes RFDTV). I have called and asked Verizon why the middle plan skips a channel the less expensive base plan includes. No one there knows and the only way for us to get it is to downgrade or upgrade. --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , <carl@...> wrote: > > On the RFDTV web site schedule: > > > > "April 25 | 4:00 pm EST" > > > > "Dennis Peffer grew up with toy trains but today he prefers running scale > trains made by MTH. > > Carl Tuveson runs realistic looking 2-rail S gauge trains." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72166	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: RFD TV - Watch On-Line

Hi All, For those of us who do not have access via our cable provider, if you visit the RFD TV website you will find the opportunity to purchase RFD TV on-line for $60/year. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72167	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/23/2013
Subject: For Sale: Lionel Flyer HAR#4 New York Central Freight Set NIB

I have a mint condition Lionel Flyer HAR#4 New York Central Freight Set, brand new in the original boxes, from an estate I am handling. For reference purposes, I show 2013 Greenberg and 2012 TM Guide book values(adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer I can't refuse!  Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total. Cat No Short Description GB value TM value HAR#4 New York Central Freight Set, comprising: $360.00 8552 NY Central GP-9 Diesel $188.00 $175.00 9005 NY Central Flat Car/vansNIB $33.00 $30.00 9106 New York Central 3 dome Tank Car $26.00 $26.00 9209 NY Central Hopper $29.00 $30.00 9304 NY Central Gondola/canisters $25.00 $20.00 9404 NY Central Bay Window Caboose $34.00 $35.00 9713 NY Central Box Car $35.00 $38.00 I also have an extra 9304 Gondola with containers and 9209 hopper that are also new in the original boxes. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72168	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: Thanks Mr Barker!

I have posted a companion video to my Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Operating and Repair Guide at my web site: http://tombarker.net/TomBarkerWebsite/Repair_Clinic_Movie.html and at my Amazon Author site: http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-B.-Barker/e/B001KMJWV0/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_pop_1 The main instruction is in the book. If you need a length of #40 Nichrome wire just send me a SASE and I'll send off a few feet of it to you. Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72169	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: 2013 Spring S Spree and Public Train Show

I posted a pdf file to the files section of the latest flyer for the public train show to be held Saturday, May 4th.   The train show is open to the public and is being held in conjunction with the Spring Spree, May 3-5.  More information, the schedule, and registration materials for the Spree are available at the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association website. cvsga.com Thanks, Mike Andrzejewski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72170	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: For sale: two American models diesel engines NIB

FP7005 Tuscan Pennsylvania Railroad FP-7 #9834. DC with scale wheels. Couplers, windows, horn, etc., are in the original plastic bag, not yet installed. Listed at $190 in the 2012 Greenberg Guide S1201 New Haven Baldwin switcher numbered 658. AC with hi-rail wheels and couplers. listed at $210 in the 2012 Greenberg Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72171	From: race944t	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains

For those of you (us) who have Dish Network, it is channel 231 and RFDTV shows it at 4:00 pm Thursday in both HD and SD. I have the 200 channel package and it comes with that one. I don't know about the other packages. "Banker" Bill Clark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Obie Bell <bellokdaka@...> wrote: > > To those who have RFD TV in their tv packages, Thursday's episode of "I Love Toy Trains" is scheduled to include Carl Tuveson's S-gauge layout. > Obie Bell > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72172	From: cleveshows@att.net	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Spring “S” Spree Convention 2013

Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association presents `S' Spree Convention on May 3, 2013 thru May 5, 2013 Quaker Square, 135 South Broadway, Akron, OH 44325 Quaker Square in part is the converted solos from the Quaker Oats. The silos were converted into a Hilton Hotel which opened in 1980. Later it became a Crowne Plaza hotel. The hotel is built into the suite of silos and is famed for its 196 completely round rooms. The Trackside Grille & Ice Cream Parlor, a restaurant themed with railroads which run parallel to the building, also provides a narrative of Akron's history. Thursday, May 2, 2013 convention attendees will be invited to Field trips and a welcome Dinner. Convention Registration Fee $35.00 Friday, May 3, 2013 convention attendees will be invited S gauge Flea Market, Train trip, clinics in the evening and a Convention Banquette ($35.00 each) at approximately 5:30 pm. Convention Banquette $35.00 each Saturday, May 4, 2013 their will be an all gauge train flee market, open to the public, from 10 am to 3 pm. Admission $6.00 For complete list of events and times, please visit our web site at www.cvsga.com For more information Contact: Spree Chairman: Mike Graham 216-398-9313 mograham@... Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association www.cvsga.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72173	From: cleveshows@att.net	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 Spring S Spree and Public Train Show

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Andrzejewski <mike_a_2001@...> wrote: > > I posted a pdf file to the files section of the latest flyer for the public train show to be held Saturday, May 4th.   > > The train show is open to the public and is being held in conjunction with the Spring Spree, May 3-5.  More information, the schedule, and registration materials for the Spree are available at the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association website. > > > cvsga.com > > Thanks, Mike Andrzejewski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association presents `S' Spree Convention on May 3, 2013 thru May 5, 2013 Quaker Square, 135 South Broadway, Akron, OH 44325 Quaker Square in part is the converted solos from the Quaker Oats. The silos were converted into a Hilton Hotel which opened in 1980. Later it became a Crowne Plaza hotel. The hotel is built into the suite of silos and is famed for its 196 completely round rooms. The Trackside Grille & Ice Cream Parlor, a restaurant themed with railroads which run parallel to the building, also provides a narrative of Akron's history. Thursday, May 2, 2013 convention attendees will be invited to Field trips and a welcome Dinner. Convention Registration Fee $35.00 Friday, May 3, 2013 convention attendees will be invited S gauge Flea Market, Train trip, clinics in the evening and a Convention Banquette ($35.00 each) at approximately 5:30 pm. Convention Banquette $35.00 each Saturday, May 4, 2013 their will be an all gauge train flee market, open to the public, from 10 am to 3 pm. Admission $6.00 For complete list of events and times, please visit our web site at www.cvsga.com For more information Contact: Spree Chairman: Mike Graham 216-398-9313 mograham@... Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association www.cvsga.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72174	From: cleveshows@att.net	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: 2013 Spring S Spree and Public Train Show

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "cleveshows@..." <cleveshows@...> wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Andrzejewski <mike_a_2001@> wrote: > > > > I posted a pdf file to the files section of the latest flyer for the public train show to be held Saturday, May 4th.   > > > > The train show is open to the public and is being held in conjunction with the Spring Spree, May 3-5.  More information, the schedule, and registration materials for the Spree are available at the Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association website. > > > > > > cvsga.com > > > > Thanks, Mike Andrzejewski > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association presents `S' Spree Convention on May 3, 2013 thru May 5, 2013 > > Quaker Square, 135 South Broadway, Akron, OH 44325 > > Quaker Square in part is the converted solos from the Quaker Oats. The silos were converted into a Hilton Hotel which opened in 1980. Later it became a Crowne Plaza hotel. The hotel is built into the suite of silos and is famed for its 196 completely round rooms. The Trackside Grille & Ice Cream Parlor, a restaurant themed with railroads which run parallel to the building, also provides a narrative of Akron's history. > > Thursday, May 2, 2013 convention attendees will be invited to Field trips and a welcome Dinner. > > Convention Registration Fee $35.00 > > Friday, May 3, 2013 convention attendees will be invited S gauge Flea Market, Train trip, clinics in the evening and a Convention Banquette ($35.00 each) at approximately 5:30 pm. > > Convention Banquette $35.00 each > > Saturday, May 4, 2013 their will be an all gauge train flee market, open to the public, from 10 am to 3 pm. Admission $6.00 > > For complete list of events and times, please visit our web site at www.cvsga.com > > > For more information Contact: > Spree Chairman: Mike Graham 216-398-9313 mograham@... > Cuyahoga Valley S Gauge Association www.cvsga.com > http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a3da05b3127ccef2a566b287f900000030O08IZMmrFwxbA9vPho/cC/f%3D0/ls%3D00006181052220130425010437190.JPG/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72175	From: johntech	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Baldwin pickups

Does anyone know what the Baldwin pickups are made of:? I need to make some new ones Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72176	From: Scott	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Restoring AF

I was wondering if there is a course or DVD or manual that could teach me how to restore old AF. The last few months I keep stumbling across tinplate as well as later AF and Lionel stuff. While I have never thought twice about them in my youth I find myself going back and looking at stuff and wondering if I could fix it. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you very much, Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72177	From: snstrains	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: Baldwin pickups

They are copper plated steel. You can buy them cheap enough. I have about 20 of them. They are new old stock. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 4/24/2013 7:37:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, beebear@... writes: Does anyone know what the Baldwin pickups are made of:? I need to make some new ones Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72178	From: racin510	Date: 4/24/2013
Subject: Re: Restoring AF

There are a lot of levels of 'restoration' and fixing up. It can be pretty time consuming so be sure you are that into it, and you will get the most satisfaction if you commit to actually operating what you have resurrected. Rick --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <steamtramper@...> wrote: > > I was wondering if there is a course or DVD or manual that could teach me how to restore old AF. The last few months I keep stumbling across tinplate as well as later AF and Lionel stuff. While I have never thought twice about them in my youth I find myself going back and looking at stuff and wondering if I could fix it. Any info would be appreciated. > > Thank you very much, Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72179	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: Baldwin pickups

Hi Steve, Please email me with the price seccia@... � Thank You, � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin pickups   They are copper plated steel. You can buy them cheap enough. I have about 20 of them. They are new old stock. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 4/24/2013 7:37:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, beebear@... writes: Does anyone know what the Baldwin pickups are made of:? I need to make some new ones Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72180	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: Restoring AF

See Tom Barker's book and web site. http://tombarker.net/TomBarkerWebsite/American_Flyer_Repair_Guide.html May not be as detailed as you are looking for but has a lot. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Micorferroequineologist On 4/24/2013 9:40 PM, Scott wrote: > > I was wondering if there is a course or DVD or manual that could teach > me how to restore old AF. The last few months I keep stumbling across > tinplate as well as later AF and Lionel stuff. While I have never > thought twice about them in my youth I find myself going back and > looking at stuff and wondering if I could fix it. Any info would be > appreciated. > > Thank you very much, Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72181	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: I Love Toy Trains?

Sorry folks, I guess you can't rely on the program guide too much on RFD TV. I was certainly looking forward to seeing Carl's layout. I guess it will be on sometime but I will have to view all episodes until it shows up, as I have learned the guide is unreliable. Obie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72182	From: rudypenne	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: RFDTV

What happened to CARL T.?????? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72183	From: snstrains	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: Baldwin pickups

Sorry Tom. Most already sold. Seem to be a popular item. I had no idea. Steve In a message dated 4/25/2013 4:15:29 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Steve, Please email me with the price _seccia@..._ (mailto:seccia@...) Thank You, Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) " <_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin pickups They are copper plated steel. You can buy them cheap enough. I have about 20 of them. They are new old stock. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 4/24/2013 7:37:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, _beebear@..._ (mailto:beebear@...) writes: Does anyone know what the Baldwin pickups are made of:? I need to make some new ones Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72184	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains

I just checked my DVR to see that it got the I Love Toy Trains episode recorded, but guess what? Although the program guide showed the episode containing Carl's layout, the actual episode aired was a totally different one. I guess eventually it will show up. I assume the same thing happened on DISH. Dale On 4/22/2013 10:28 AM, Obie Bell wrote: > > To those who have RFD TV in their tv packages, Thursday's episode of > "I Love Toy Trains" is scheduled to include Carl Tuveson's S-gauge layout. > Obie Bell > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72185	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: Baldwin pickups

Hi Steve, � I used to be able to get these from Hobby Surplus. They have been out of stock for years.  I'm in the process of getting a lot of Flyer parts made and I'll have these made. � Tom Seccia Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin pickups   Sorry Tom. Most already sold. Seem to be a popular item. I had no idea. Steve In a message dated 4/25/2013 4:15:29 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Steve, Please email me with the price _seccia@..._ (mailto:seccia@...) Thank You, Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) " <_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin pickups They are copper plated steel. You can buy them cheap enough. I have about 20 of them. They are new old stock. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 4/24/2013 7:37:01 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, _beebear@..._ (mailto:beebear@...) writes: Does anyone know what the Baldwin pickups are made of:? I need to make some new ones Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72186	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: RFDTV

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Today's show was listed as Part 1 of 2. I will keep us updated on Next weeks show and see if it is part2 � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: RFDTV   What happened to CARL T.?????? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72187	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight Time

It is scheduled to be Direct TV at 1:00 AM Central Daylight time tonight (Friday morning actually) and I have it set to be taped. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/25/2013 3:55:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bellokdaka@... writes: Sorry folks, I guess you can't rely on the program guide too much on RFD TV. I was certainly looking forward to seeing Carl's layout. I guess it will be on sometime but I will have to view all episodes until it shows up, as I have learned the guide is unreliable. Obie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72188	From: Obie Bell	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains?

Alan, Yes I noticed it said Part 1, but when it listed Carl's layout instead of both of the O gauge guy's that were on there I think the got their guide a little jumbled.Next weeks show lists a fellow named Bob Irmscher but no mention of a part 2, guess I'll check to make sure, but it doesn't look like we will have a reliable advance warning. just watch them all until it turns up. Obie To: Modern-Flyer@yahoogroups.com From: alanlambert64@... Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:26:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains? From: Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas Obie, Today was part 1 of 2. Now we need to watch for part 2 with Carl's layout footage. Program lists are very miss leading. I will keep us all updated on next weeks show. Alan Lambert From: Obie Bell <bellokdaka@...> To: "modern-flyer@yahoogroups.com" <modern-flyer@yahoogroups.com>; "s-trains@yahoogroups.com" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: [Modern-Flyer] I Love Toy Trains? Sorry folks, I guess you can't rely on the program guide too much on RFD TV. I was certainly looking forward to seeing Carl's layout. I guess it will be on sometime but I will have to view all episodes until it shows up, as I have learned the guide is unreliable. Obie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72189	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight Time

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Earl, Thanks, I forgot about that time. Guess I'll stay up and watch it. � Alan Lambert     ________________________________ From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight Time   It is scheduled to be Direct TV at 1:00 AM Central Daylight time tonight (Friday morning actually) and I have it set to be taped. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/25/2013 3:55:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bellokdaka@... writes: Sorry folks, I guess you can't rely on the program guide too much on RFD TV. I was certainly looking forward to seeing Carl's layout. I guess it will be on sometime but I will have to view all episodes until it shows up, as I have learned the guide is unreliable. Obie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72190	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/25/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight Time

My DVR used to pick up both showings and they were always a duplicate of the other, so I think this won't be Carl's layout either. Dale On 4/25/2013 5:22 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert > � Fort Worth, Texas > > Earl, > > Thanks, I forgot about that time. Guess I'll stay up and watch it. > � Alan Lambert > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "tennsgauge@... <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com>" > <tennsgauge@... <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM > Central Daylight Time > > > > It is scheduled to be Direct TV at 1:00 AM Central Daylight time tonight > (Friday morning actually) and I have it set to be taped. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > In a message dated 4/25/2013 3:55:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > bellokdaka@... <mailto:bellokdaka%40live.com> writes: > > Sorry folks, > I guess you can't rely on the program guide too much on RFD TV. I was > certainly looking forward to seeing Carl's layout. I guess it will be on > sometime but I will have to view all episodes until it shows up, as I > have > learned the guide is unreliable. > Obie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72191	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Dept. 56 trolley

Is the Dept. 56 trolley S scale or HO? Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72192	From: Ronald	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley

Wayne: It is On30 with wheels set at HO Gauge. Ron D. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > > Is the Dept. 56 trolley S scale or HO? > > Wayne >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72193	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley

Been a while since I laid eyes on one, but I think it was sized for On30. May be wrong on that. Roy Inman From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:30:32 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Dept. 56 trolley Is the Dept. 56 trolley S scale or HO? Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72194	From: Ronald	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley

Wayne I think it is On30 with wheels set at HO gauge. Ron D. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > > Is the Dept. 56 trolley S scale or HO? > > Wayne >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72195	From: rkaneone	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Cleveland S Spree

I would like to attend one day of the Cleveland event, but the messages about the schedule and what days are "open" have been confusing. The Spree website is incorrect in at least one respect as well, my new friend Stumpy Stone was going to give a talk, but he's not on the list. Having just moved to Ohio in November and still unfamiliar with events here, is this sort of thing common? I have attended train shows all over the country during my employment travels for thirty eight years and don't recall such confusion. Rich Kane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72196	From: Thomas	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Restoring AF

Scott, I wrote my book exactly for people like you. It has a basic introduction with the right tools described and listed; trouble shooting flow diagrams; and then detailed how to's that are illustrated with photographs and diagrams. There are factory exploded diagrams as well if you need to order parts - but I also show how to make some of these parts. Of course, the book comes with me. Anytime you need some advice, just email me and I'll get back to you within 24 hours (unless I'm on vacation). If I can't answer your question, I'll research the problem and I am currently writing additional articles on things that are not in the book that are posted on my website, in this Yahoo Group and other groups devoted to Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge. Welcome to the wonderful world of AFS! Tom Barker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <steamtramper@...> wrote: > > I was wondering if there is a course or DVD or manual that could teach me how to restore old AF. The last few months I keep stumbling across tinplate as well as later AF and Lionel stuff. While I have never thought twice about them in my youth I find myself going back and looking at stuff and wondering if I could fix it. Any info would be appreciated. > > Thank you very much, Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72197	From: DennisC	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight Time

EARL, Can you or any else tape the segment on Carl Tuveson's Layout and send it to you tube,or is this forbidden copyrighted material.I do not have direct TV nor access to RFD, Thanks Dennis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > It is scheduled to be Direct TV at 1:00 AM Central Daylight time tonight > (Friday morning actually) and I have it set to be taped. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > In a message dated 4/25/2013 3:55:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > bellokdaka@... writes: > > > > > Sorry folks, > I guess you can't rely on the program guide too much on RFD TV. I was > certainly looking forward to seeing Carl's layout. I guess it will be on > sometime but I will have to view all episodes until it shows up, as I have > learned the guide is unreliable. > Obie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72198	From: tennsgauger	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: I Love Toy Trains? On Direct TV 1:00 AM Central Daylight...

I taped it and watched it this morning. As some on the group suspected, Carl Tuveson's layout was not shown even though the guide clearly listed his layout as being on the show. The whole episode was about a huge Lionel club in New Jersey. It would have been great if this had been a 50-50 show with the Lionel club and Carl's layout because it would have given an extremely favorable comparison for S. The Lionel layout is huge and have some pretty trains and some not-so-pretty trains on it. But the undisguised three-rail track and the extreme toy-like appearance of the layout made it look ridiculous to my biased eyes. I will be searching the guide to see if the program airs again. At the end of the show, it did say this was Part I as someone else had reported. But I did not see any information about when Part II would be aired. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/26/2013 12:37:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, yorktown26@... writes: EARL, Can you or any else tape the segment on Carl Tuveson's Layout and send it to you tube,or is this forbidden copyrighted material.I do not have direct TV nor access to RFD, Thanks Dennis --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , tennsgauge@... wrote: > > It is scheduled to be Direct TV at 1:00 AM Central Daylight time tonight > (Friday morning actually) and I have it set to be taped. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > In a message dated 4/25/2013 3:55:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > bellokdaka@... writes: > > > > > Sorry folks, > I guess you can't rely on the program guide too much on RFD TV. I was > certainly looking forward to seeing Carl's layout. I guess it will be on > sometime but I will have to view all episodes until it shows up, as I have > learned the guide is unreliable. > Obie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72199	From: cleveshows@att.net	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Cleveland S Spree

Stumpy is listed as doing one of the Clinic on the CVSGA.com web page. Please note Clinic #5, Friday, 7:45 pm is Stumpy Stone. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rkaneone" <rkaneone@...> wrote: > > I would like to attend one day of the Cleveland event, but the messages about the schedule and what days are "open" have been confusing. The Spree website is incorrect in at least one respect as well, my new friend Stumpy Stone was going to give a talk, but he's not on the list. > > Having just moved to Ohio in November and still unfamiliar with events here, is this sort of thing common? I have attended train shows all over the country during my employment travels for thirty eight years and don't recall such confusion. > Rich Kane >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72200	From: Paul	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Cleveland S Spree

Rich, I am answering off list because I stirred a stink about just what you asked. I'd write Stumpy directly, they had him listed as Stumpy /Smith,/ but corrected that. I thought they had also moved his clinic to Saturday right after lunch which was the time he requested. personally I would plan on going Saturday if you are only able to attend one day, it's only $6 admission rather than the $35 full registration. Stumpy also has a table reserved for sales and to display his micro layout, he should be around Saturday, especially in the morning. by their website though, they still have him listed for a clinic Friday evening late and also have a slide presentation at the same time. no, things are not always this hectic, I have come to understand that the person in charge of getting information out had had some health concerns lately and the second string, backup plan didn't materialize to double check. they usually do much better as do the others of us in the rotation of clubs hosting the sprees, but good old murphy and his law about things going wrong bit them this time. please don't hold it against them, it can get anyone of us at any time. paul On 4/26/2013 11:01 AM, rkaneone wrote: > > I would like to attend one day of the Cleveland event, but the > messages about the schedule and what days are "open" have been > confusing. The Spree website is incorrect in at least one respect as > well, my new friend Stumpy Stone was going to give a talk, but he's > not on the list. > > Having just moved to Ohio in November and still unfamiliar with events > here, is this sort of thing common? I have attended train shows all > over the country during my employment travels for thirty eight years > and don't recall such confusion. > Rich Kane > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72201	From: Scott Huston	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: Re: Restoring AF

First of all, thanks Carey for the link to Tom's book. Secondly, that is great Tom, it is always helpful to be able to contact experts. Lastly I just stumbled across yet another old std. gauge tinplate (think it was old Lionel) does your book cover just AF or tinplate in general? In other words do I need to find a book like yours for just Lionel tinplate also? Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada ________________________________ From: Thomas <tbbeqa@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Restoring AF   Scott, I wrote my book exactly for people like you. It has a basic introduction with the right tools described and listed; trouble shooting flow diagrams; and then detailed how to's that are illustrated with photographs and diagrams. There are factory exploded diagrams as well if you need to order parts - but I also show how to make some of these parts. Of course, the book comes with me. Anytime you need some advice, just email me and I'll get back to you within 24 hours (unless I'm on vacation). If I can't answer your question, I'll research the problem and I am currently writing additional articles on things that are not in the book that are posted on my website, in this Yahoo Group and other groups devoted to Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge. Welcome to the wonderful world of AFS! Tom Barker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72202	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/26/2013
Subject: For Sale: Two pristine NIB Lionel Flyer Passernger Sets

I've never seen set boxes in this condition anywhere outside a store. Beautiful. For reference purposes, I show 2013 Greenberg book values(adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer I can't refuse!  Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total. 49600 UP Pony Express Set $589 49601 Missouri Pacific Eagle Set $636 And the add-on cars that go with them: 48118 Missouri Pacific PB-1 non-powered engine $134 48119 Union Pacific PB-1 Non-Powered Engine $165 48914 Missouri Pacific Eagle Spirit passenger car $94 48915 Missouri Pacific Eagle View Vista Dome car $75 48933 Missouri Pacific dining car $90 48908 UP Pasadena passenger car $113 48909 UP Harriman Vista Dome car $111 48941 UP Vista Dome dining car $93 Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72203	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Cleveland S Spree

Lee McCarty, President of CVSGA,  asked me to forward this message Paul and the list: Dear Paul,     Would you kindly knock off the misinformation messages until you check the web site for the CVSGA and get your facts straight? Stumpy Stone's Clinic on kitbashing standard kits to fit specific railroads will start at 7:45 PM On FRIDAY EVENING and conclude at 9:00 PM. This is right in the middle of prime time for the convention. It has been suggested to you before that before you just send out mis-information, please check out our website www.CVSGA.com and get the facts first. Why are you so negative about this S Gauge convention anyway?  Lee McCarty- Pres. CVSGA ________________________________ From: Paul <dilly@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cleveland S Spree   Rich, I am answering off list because I stirred a stink about just what you asked. I'd write Stumpy directly, they had him listed as Stumpy /Smith,/ but corrected that. I thought they had also moved his clinic to Saturday right after lunch which was the time he requested. personally I would plan on going Saturday if you are only able to attend one day, it's only $6 admission rather than the $35 full registration. Stumpy also has a table reserved for sales and to display his micro layout, he should be around Saturday, especially in the morning. by their website though, they still have him listed for a clinic Friday evening late and also have a slide presentation at the same time. no, things are not always this hectic, I have come to understand that the person in charge of getting information out had had some health concerns lately and the second string, backup plan didn't materialize to double check. they usually do much better as do the others of us in the rotation of clubs hosting the sprees, but good old murphy and his law about things going wrong bit them this time. please don't hold it against them, it can get anyone of us at any time. paul On 4/26/2013 11:01 AM, rkaneone wrote: > > I would like to attend one day of the Cleveland event, but the > messages about the schedule and what days are "open" have been > confusing. The Spree website is incorrect in at least one respect as > well, my new friend Stumpy Stone was going to give a talk, but he's > not on the list. > > Having just moved to Ohio in November and still unfamiliar with events > here, is this sort of thing common? I have attended train shows all > over the country during my employment travels for thirty eight years > and don't recall such confusion. > Rich Kane > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72204	From: rkaneone	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: RE; Oops

I stand corrected. Stumpy called when he got home from the hospital and saw my question. He IS scheduled on Friday night, but says they have overblown what he speaks on and has given him too much time. (However I don't know about the time thing, I understand that he used to do talk radio and was a racing announcer.) :-) I'll come Saturday morning to see all the vendors because I also do On30. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. Rich Kane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72205	From: drgwmaine	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: For sale: Showcase Line B&M SW8 with DCC and Tsunami sound

I have a new, in the box, test run only, B&M SW8 with DCC and Tsunami sound. It has all the extra parts and wheel sets. $350.00 Please email me at Hoffmann.George@... if you're interested. George Hoffmann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72206	From: bigswede073	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley

The Bachmann trolley is On30, so I suppose the Dept 56 is also. If it is the same beast, the powerblock is EASILY regauged to standard gauge in 1:64 by dropping in SHS wheelsets. Here is a link to how I did it. Scroll forward for the whole story.<br /><br />http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album156/BachOn30trolley_AFBaldwin_SnScanmtr<br /><br />fmg: aka Don Munsey, Jr. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72207	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Restoring AF

Scott, My book is only Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge. I usually do not think of this line of trains made by the AC Gilbert Copmany from 1946 to 1966 as "tinplate" since all of the engines were either diecast metal (with some sheetmetal tenders) or plastic (for the lower priced sets). All of the cars were made of plastic. If you are using the term "tinplate" to indicate toy and not scale, then I apologize for my distinction. Gilbert's AF Trains were toys, but very accurately scaled toys made to endure as we see today after over 60 years. If you need a book on Lionel repair, I believe you can fine one on Amazon from the Greenberg series. Again, welcome to the wonderful world of AF Trains! Tom Barker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72208	From: David	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: CASEY JONES E&T Bashing (Advertisement)

DID YOU KNOW that the old AF Casey Jones engine and tenders can be kit bashed into a GREAT LOOKING & OPERATING unit!! To this end we will be offering parts and tools to do just that. This is a kit bashers (as well as an AF operators) dream come true. Presently we have our first offering at our site. A late 1800's to early 1900's box style illuminated head light part #42613-BX1 priced at $9.50 each. Our second offering will be a new tool to punch out the side windows. This tool will give the user square corners with a single swing of their hammer. Just emigine opening all four windows in less than 5 minutes. Do you want to see more parts for these E&T units? Just let us know. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. The Crew At LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72209	From: Paul	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Cleveland S Spree

Mr McCarty and Mr Andrzejewski, first I apologize for letting the last message onto the list, as stated, it was intended to be off list. I screwed up. please, what tell me what I did wrong this time? I also ask please, let's take it off list. anyone interested can ask either of us and be included CC, no problem on my end. I have absolutely nothing against your organization or Spree. paul On 4/26/2013 10:32 PM, Mike Andrzejewski wrote: > > Lee McCarty, President of CVSGA, asked me to forward this message > Paul and the list: > > Dear Paul, > Would you kindly knock off the misinformation messages until you > check the web site for the CVSGA and get your facts straight? Stumpy > Stone's Clinic on kitbashing standard kits to fit specific railroads > will start at 7:45 PM On FRIDAY EVENING and conclude at 9:00 PM. This > is right in the middle of prime time for the convention. It has been > suggested to you before that before you just send out mis-information, > please check out our website www.CVSGA.com and get the facts first. > Why are you so negative about this S Gauge convention anyway? Lee > McCarty- Pres. CVSGA > > ________________________________ > From: Paul <dilly@... <mailto:dilly%40woh.rr.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cleveland S Spree > > > > Rich, > I am answering off list because I stirred a stink about just what you > asked. > I'd write Stumpy directly, they had him listed as Stumpy /Smith,/ but > corrected > that. I thought they had also moved his clinic to Saturday right after > lunch > which was the time he requested. personally I would plan on going Saturday > if you are only able to attend one day, it's only $6 admission rather > than the > $35 full registration. Stumpy also has a table reserved for sales and to > display > his micro layout, he should be around Saturday, especially in the morning. > by their website though, they still have him listed for a clinic Friday > evening > late and also have a slide presentation at the same time. no, things are > not > always this hectic, I have come to understand that the person in charge of > getting information out had had some health concerns lately and the second > string, backup plan didn't materialize to double check. they usually do > much > better as do the others of us in the rotation of clubs hosting the > sprees, but > good old murphy and his law about things going wrong bit them this time. > please don't hold it against them, it can get anyone of us at any time. > paul > > On 4/26/2013 11:01 AM, rkaneone wrote: > > > > I would like to attend one day of the Cleveland event, but the > > messages about the schedule and what days are "open" have been > > confusing. The Spree website is incorrect in at least one respect as > > well, my new friend Stumpy Stone was going to give a talk, but he's > > not on the list. > > > > Having just moved to Ohio in November and still unfamiliar with events > > here, is this sort of thing common? I have attended train shows all > > over the country during my employment travels for thirty eight years > > and don't recall such confusion. > > Rich Kane > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72210	From: Jerry	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: RE; Oops

Rich, We all mess up sometimes, so it's not a big thing. I'm pretty sure feathers can be smoothed. I've also done my share of ruffling... In regards to Stumpy having too much time, his stints as a race announcer will hold him in good stead. Guys like him and Dave McClelland (race fans know who he is) can stretch a few minutes into as long as they wish, and make it interesting. A very personable guy, he may even open it up to discussion afterwards. A great way to share ideas. That's one of the things I love about this hobby. It's a great outlet for the creativity and innovation that exist in all of us, sometimes without spending a whole lot of money. See you there, Jerry Poniatowski Trainin' in Wayne, Michigan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rkaneone" <rkaneone@...> wrote: > > I stand corrected. Stumpy called when he got home from the hospital and saw my question. He IS scheduled on Friday night, but says they have overblown what he speaks on and has given him too much time. (However I don't know about the time thing, I understand that he used to do talk radio and was a racing announcer.) :-) > I'll come Saturday morning to see all the vendors because I also do On30. > Sorry if I ruffled any feathers. > Rich Kane >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72211	From: rapidrail1	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley

Thanks Don. I did one of those conversions also. But he has this advertised on ebay as S scale. He sent me the dimensions and I plan to check it when I get home (if ever). It actually looks like HO to me. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Been a while since I laid eyes on one, but I think it was sized for On30. > May be wrong on that. > > Roy Inman > > > > From: rapidrail1 <beachy3929@...> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:30:32 +0000 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Dept. 56 trolley > > > > > > > Is the Dept. 56 trolley S scale or HO? > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72212	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Am I a lightning rod?

ZAP! Dang, another bolt from the blue coming my way! How in the heck did I get caught in the mioddle of all this about the Spree? Okay, here it is directly from the lightning rod himself... I'll be there Thursday afternoon to set up my small layout. I will showcase my kit bashed locomotives, my scratch built or resin cast rolling stock, and converted On30 cars on the layout instead of buildings. (No micro layout-too big.) I have a few items for sale, including the 343/2-8-0 kit bash loco, the 332DC 4-8-4 rebuild, and some odd cars. (Gotta' finance the trip some how!) I will be talking about kit bashing and scratch building at 7:45 Friday evening, and if attendees seem to enjoy the abuse, I will continue to 9PM. (It will probably turn into a discussion group as last year.) Cindy and I will be there to BS with anyone who comes by the layout and to enjoy another fun Spring S Spree! (Although living in a round room for a couple of nights might be a bit odd when Cindy tells me to go stand in the corner.) Hope to see y'all there! I'll be the fat guy with the beard and a layout with trains for scenery this time. ...Stumpy Stone in the Appalachian part of Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72213	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/28/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 28, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72214	From: Paul	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Am I a lightning rod?

Stumpy, it seems to all be my fault. back when I noted the incorrect surname and chided you about it, I made some enemies. yesterday I tried to help a gentleman with a question, saying that you would be a good source as to when the clinic actually is. there is a discussion off list about it and your name came up. nothing degrading has been said about you, it is all up and up praise. the discussion appears to be me and another with him dragging more than 50 folks into it. blame me, it is nothing serious I assure you and I am sorry to have used your name and clinic to recant some accusations. paul On 4/27/2013 5:03 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > ZAP! Dang, another bolt from the blue coming my way! How in the heck > did I get caught in the mioddle of all this about the Spree? > > Okay, here it is directly from the lightning rod himself... > > I'll be there Thursday afternoon to set up my small layout. I will > showcase my kit bashed locomotives, my scratch built or resin cast > rolling stock, and converted On30 cars on the layout instead of > buildings. (No micro layout-too big.) > > I have a few items for sale, including the 343/2-8-0 kit bash loco, > the 332DC 4-8-4 rebuild, and some odd cars. (Gotta' finance the trip > some how!) > > I will be talking about kit bashing and scratch building at 7:45 > Friday evening, and if attendees seem to enjoy the abuse, I will > continue to 9PM. (It will probably turn into a discussion group as > last year.) > > Cindy and I will be there to BS with anyone who comes by the layout > and to enjoy another fun Spring S Spree! (Although living in a round > room for a couple of nights might be a bit odd when Cindy tells me to > go stand in the corner.) > > Hope to see y'all there! I'll be the fat guy with the beard and a > layout with trains for scenery this time. > ...Stumpy Stone in the Appalachian part of Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72215	From: john larsen	Date: 4/27/2013
Subject: Re: Dept. 56 trolley

Yes, On30 on HO wheels. We put one on my son's lionel 14x14 layout when the first came out. The first one did not work well. the very thin wiring constantly broke. We replaced the unit a couple of year later and now, after about fifteen years, it still runs well every day. We do clean it often just by spraying television tuner cleaner into the under carrage once a month or so. They are extremely delicate to dis-assemble although we have done it several times. They will not run well if they are cleaned constantly. John Shontz, Helena, Montana ________________________________ From: Ronald <ronaldd757@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Dept. 56 trolley   Wayne: It is On30 with wheels set at HO Gauge. Ron D. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > > Is the Dept. 56 trolley S scale or HO? > > Wayne > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72216	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/28/2013
Subject: 2-8-0

> I have a few items for sale, including the 343/2-8-0 kit bash loco, > the 332DC 4-8-4 rebuild, and some odd cars. (Gotta' finance the trip > some how!)   Stumpy..... Got a picture and how much ?.... Bob Conner rcon7@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72217	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/28/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/28/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 28, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72218	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 4/29/2013
Subject: NASG 2013 Convention Clinics Posted

Tonight I posted the Convention's clinic descriptions. Follow this link to see the info: http://www.nasg.org/Convention/2013/why.htm#clinics Enjoy, - Peter. -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72219	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 4/30/2013
Subject: S Scale Club On Long Beach-South Bay (CA) Layout Tour – May 18

Model Railroads of Southern California's thirty-eighth layout tour takes place on Saturday, May 18. The Inland Terminal S scale club will be part of this tour. This will be a self-guided tour of eleven layouts at ten locations in the Long Beach-South Bay area. Two layouts are appearing for the first time on our tour program: Lindley Ruddick's Z scale layout and John Polen's garden railroad. Altogether there will be five HO scale layouts, one N scale, one S scale, one O scale, one Z scale and two garden railroads. The S scale club layout has both standard gauge and Sn3 operations and one HO layout, also a club, has both standard gauge and HOn3 operations. The Los Angeles Division/PSR/NMRA will be operating a "Hospitality Tent" at one layout location, offering free coffee and sweets. And for you bargain hunters, the Belmont Shore Lines and Angels Gate Hi-Railers clubs also will have a swap meet from 8:00 to 12:00. This is a free event and you may bring relatives and friends. The basic information for this tour is displayed below. If you would like layout descriptions and a tour map showing the general locations of all layouts, please e-mail me OFF LIST at: chiefbobbb@... Lastly, one of the model railroad hobby shops in the tour area is offering a store-wide ten percent-off coupon to members of Model Railroads of Southern California only. This coupon is available in the group's files section. If you join the group you will have access to the coupon. Persons taking this tour assume all risks and liability for their personal safety. Although I am the Moderator of Model Railroads of Southern California, I am not responsible for personal loss or injury to persons taking this tour. If you cannot make this tour more tours are scheduled including: • All Southern Calif. – September 1 • Central Coast Railroad Festival – October 10-14 • Banning Train Festival – October 19 & 20 Layout tours for 2014 are now being considered and a 2014 tour has been scheduled as an official event of the PCR/NMRA Convention in San Luis Obispo, CA. Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/ +++++ Model Railroads of Southern California Layout Tour No. 38 Saturday, May 18, 2013 Angels Gate Hi-Railers (O) Belmont Shore MRC (N) 10:00 to 4:00 3601 South Gaffey Street San Pedro (Angels Gate Park) Mary Barstow (G, HO) 10:00 to 4:00 6930 Clovercliff Drive Rancho Palos Verdes Inland Terminal Model RR Club (S, Sn3) 10:00 to 3:00 4734 West 152nd Street Lawndale Steve Kin (HO) 11:00 to 4:00 4923 Verdura Avenue Lakewood Los Angeles Model Railroad Soc. (HO/HOn3) 10:00 to 4:00 14005 South Crenshaw Boulevard Hawthorne John Polen (G) 10:00 to 4:00 5365 Middlecrest Road Rancho Palos Verdes Lindley Ruddick (Z) 10:00 to 2:00 28042 Acana Road Rancho Palos Verdes Jeff Smith (HO) 9:00 to 3:00 6143 Adenmoor Avenue Lakewood Ron Varnell (HO) 8:00 to 7:00 2741 Plaza Del Amo Suite 211 Torrance Hospitality Tent Open At This Location 8:00 to 11:00 Persons taking this tour assume all risks and liability for their personal safety personal safety.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72220	From: bobgarm	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

I have a 343 (RIB KC) that used to run fairly well, but which now hangs up in both directions -- that is the reverse unit works and the armature turns 5 degrees or so and locks. I was able to "assist" it around my layout for a couple of minutes and then it worked as long as it was warm (powered). I then powered down, let it return to ambient, and the hang up occurred again. It's not a plastic tire problem -- fixed that a while ago. I'm thinking the brushes are so worn that I have a contact / binding issue. Tom Barker, what do you think? Bob (former Rochesterian)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72221	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

Bob, Can you turn the wheels a full revolution by turning the armature by hand? The reason I ask is that I have a 342 that ran OK until I diassembled everything, including siderods, for cleaning. Upon reassembly the motor would turn and lock as you describe. The issue was the front hole in the right siderod was worn just enough that it would not push the front wheel over the top. Instead it would lock. The solution for me was to use a hammer and drift to close the rear of the front hole up maybe 1/2 mm. I was hoping that would get me through until replacement siderods were ordered. Well, that was 3 years and a lot of running hours ago and I have not put the replacement siderods on yet. (They are not embossed like the originals) It's worth a look. If you can turn it by hand then you can leave the hammer in the toolbox. Have fun! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bobgarm" <p3garm@...> wrote: > > I have a 343 (RIB KC) that used to run fairly well, but which now hangs up in both directions -- that is the reverse unit works and the armature turns 5 degrees or so and locks. I was able to "assist" it around my layout for a couple of minutes and then it worked as long as it was warm (powered). I then powered down, let it return to ambient, and the hang up occurred again. It's not a plastic tire problem -- fixed that a while ago. I'm thinking the brushes are so worn that I have a contact / binding issue. Tom Barker, what do you think? > > Bob (former Rochesterian) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72222	From: Ben	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Anyone else running Tru-Scale or Bob Peare code .172?

My layout is a mix of hand-laid Tru-Scale (inherited from my wife's uncle), Bob Peare, and modern American "S" Gauge track from Classic Trains. It all meshes and operates very well- this blend of 50 year-old track with modern track. Several years ago I bought a pair of vintage Bob Peare switches in OB at a train show. Cost- $5. Not bad for a pair when Classic Trains are $60 each. These old switches are brass rail on fiber ties. I vowed I would add another crossover between the inner and outer oval. I put it off for five years. Now I rememeber why. Adding in these old school switches on a basically finished layout took three weeks from start to finish. Everything was difficult from placing the switches to regauging the factory errors to remembering how to wire the Tortoise switch machines! I did not want to be out of operation for three weeks, so I put it off. But now I get the satisfaction of knowing what it took to lay these old relics and that it was not as mindless as adding modern ones to a layout. What fun is it if everything just snaps into place? Anyone else running Tru-Scale or Bob Peare?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72223	From: Ben	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Converting a #372 to DC?

Yes...I know how to convert AF locos to DC, but I have only done steamers with rectifiers from Radio Shack. Can anyone give me a schematic- drawing or verbal- of which wires to attach where on the rectifier on a diesel loco motor? That Gilbert reversing unit has to go! Thanks- Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72224	From: Ben	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Another one for Stumpy...an $8 #274 Mimnicraft!

I bought a #274 station at the local "used trains" shop for $8. OK- it was dirty. And missing a few barrels. And a piece of masonite "plywood" for the pile. And a support piece. And the entire roof that the support piece was supposed to support. But the price was right. I made a roof out of leftover masonite paneling from a house project. The angles are all correct. It was sprayed with red automotive paint and clear. I cut the support piece out of a piece or leftover 2 x 4 on the table saw and created the angled piece as well. I had some old silver wooden barrels from the jink drawer. The masonite plywood was easy. So now I just had to recreate the smokestack and the station sign. The sign is balsa. The top of the smokestack stumped me, so I looked around in my one shop drawer and found a whole bag of small wooden plugs the same shape as the top of the original smokestack and added it to a piece of dowel. I think the station is worth at least $9 now.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72225	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: New Photos of Custom SP&S #700 4-8-4

I recently added a new photo album titled Al Baker's SP&S #700 4-8-4. It contains models of my latest custom. URL is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/0/list?order=mtime The Spokane, Portland, & Seattle (SP&S) #700 is a real 4-8-4 that resides in Portland, Oregon. It is operational, and the second most powerful, third longest operating steam locomotive in the USA. Very few models of this locomotive exist. There are a few HO and apparently a few O Scale. I do not know of any S gauge/scale models except for an American Models 4-8-4 which was repainted and decaled. This model is not 100% accurate, but looks pretty close if you don't look too close. Obviously a modified AF 332, there are 19 changes to the engine, and 4 to the tender -not counting paint or decals. Also, I added some new updated pictures of my PRR N1 2-10-2. I will take both of these to show at the upcoming S-Fest West in Los Angeles. Al Baker Portland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72226	From: Carey Probst	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: Converting a #372 to DC?

Same as on the steamers. Same motors, just different shape. Don't have one readily available. For performance think about replacing all the AF motors with can motors from SNS Trains. Better low speed performance but you have to send in the diesels for conversion. I'm happy with mine. Had Steve convert my PAs and Alcos and bought the replacement motors for all the steamers to do myself. Eliminates the need for 2 sets of wires for the armature and the field windings. Carey Carey Probst Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 5/1/2013 1:58 PM, Ben wrote: > > Yes...I know how to convert AF locos to DC, but I have only done > steamers with rectifiers from Radio Shack. > > Can anyone give me a schematic- drawing or verbal- of which wires to > attach where on the rectifier on a diesel loco motor? > > That Gilbert reversing unit has to go! > > Thanks- > > Ben > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72227	From: R G	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: Anyone else running Tru-Scale or Bob Peare code .172?

My first layout at Ft Hood was built with brass code 172 rail on fiber ties. However I used cut down pikemaster switches.  My 336 Northern could even negotiate a cut down pikemaster switch.  I still have a #6 switch that has the brass code 172 rail on fiber ties that was given to me by my dad when he gave me all of the Flyer trains he had for Christmas in 1960. ________________________________ From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Anyone else running Tru-Scale or Bob Peare code .172?   My layout is a mix of hand-laid Tru-Scale (inherited from my wife's uncle), Bob Peare, and modern American "S" Gauge track from Classic Trains. It all meshes and operates very well- this blend of 50 year-old track with modern track. Several years ago I bought a pair of vintage Bob Peare switches in OB at a train show. Cost- $5. Not bad for a pair when Classic Trains are $60 each. These old switches are brass rail on fiber ties. I vowed I would add another crossover between the inner and outer oval. I put it off for five years. Now I rememeber why. Adding in these old school switches on a basically finished layout took three weeks from start to finish. Everything was difficult from placing the switches to regauging the factory errors to remembering how to wire the Tortoise switch machines! I did not want to be out of operation for three weeks, so I put it off. But now I get the satisfaction of knowing what it took to lay these old relics and that it was not as mindless as adding modern ones to a layout. What fun is it if everything just snaps into place? Anyone else running Tru-Scale or Bob Peare? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72228	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Another one for Stumpy

GOOD JOB! Imagination, creativity, and an eye for scrounging up what you need. I'm proud of you! Move to the head of the class. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72229	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: New Photos of Custom SP&S #700 4-8-4

Well done, Al. Another fine model to add to your unique collection. I "googled" images of the SP&S 700, and I was impressed at how well you captured the look of Portland's big locomotive. For those who might be interested in the current parking place for the real 700 as well as the famous SP 4449, take a look at the website for the Oregon Rail Heritage Foundation: http://www.orhf.org/ Thanks for sharing, Al, and keep up the good and innovative work. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] New Photos of Custom SP&S #700 4-8-4 I recently added a new photo album titled Al Baker's SP&S #700 4-8-4. It contains models of my latest custom. URL is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/0/list?order=mtime The Spokane, Portland, & Seattle (SP&S) #700 is a real 4-8-4 that resides in Portland, Oregon. It is operational, and the second most powerful, third longest operating steam locomotive in the USA. Very few models of this locomotive exist. There are a few HO and apparently a few O Scale. I do not know of any S gauge/scale models except for an American Models 4-8-4 which was repainted and decaled. This model is not 100% accurate, but looks pretty close if you don't look too close. Obviously a modified AF 332, there are 19 changes to the engine, and 4 to the tender -not counting paint or decals. Also, I added some new updated pictures of my PRR N1 2-10-2. I will take both of these to show at the upcoming S-Fest West in Los Angeles. Al Baker Portland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72230	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

Gee, I thought a #343 was an 0-8-0. But they do make good 2-8-0's with a little customizing! Worn and binding brushes can be the problem, but there are other things that can cause similar troubles. If it runs better when warmed up, you might want to clean out the gearbox and put new lube in. Some of that old grease gets like concrete after so many years, especially if the engine is seldom run or someone packed the gearbox full. Once warm, it will soften a bit, then cool and get hard again. Just a little frsh lube is enough. Tim makes a very valid point for a bind developing in the drivetrain. This is more likely. Siderods, valve linkages, crankpins in the driver, drive wheels slipping even a little out of quarter, even some tiny debris sucked up into the gears (including the smoke unit gear.) Fortunately on old Flyer, figuring out what the problem is usually takes more time than fixing it! Just like vintage automobiles! ;-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72231	From: R G	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: Another one for Stumpy

Hey Stumpy!  Your article in S- Gaugian was great on how autos set the era for your train layout!  Keep up the great work! ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Another one for Stumpy   GOOD JOB! Imagination, creativity, and an eye for scrounging up what you need. I'm proud of you! Move to the head of the class. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72232	From: snstrains	Date: 5/1/2013
Subject: Re: Converting a #372 to DC?

If you have and run AC, just replace the Gilbert reverse unit with a Dallee #400 E-unit. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 5/1/2013 1:38:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, lbstiles@... writes: Yes...I know how to convert AF locos to DC, but I have only done steamers with rectifiers from Radio Shack. Can anyone give me a schematic- drawing or verbal- of which wires to attach where on the rectifier on a diesel loco motor? That Gilbert reversing unit has to go! Thanks- Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72233	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Operating Boxcar

A friend spotted a Flyer operating boxcar at a local antique shop, I stopped by and picked it up for $23.  What I got was a clean 974 with link coupler trucks (truck/body swap?) that had all it's parts except for a brakewheel and the rivit that attaches the operating door to the mechanism.  I re-tensioned the main spring using the technique in Tom Barker's repair book, shortened the small spring, added a brakewheel and fashioned a door rivit from a small nail.    It's working pretty well, although I have to use 18 volts for reliable operation.  Does anyone know if this is normal?   The car came with three baggage cubes, an order to Port Lines went out yesterday for more.       Brady  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72234	From: Leon Bedard	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: Converting a #372 to DC?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > If you have and run AC, just replace the Gilbert reverse unit with a Dallee > #400 E-unit. > > Steve > SnS Trains > > > In a message dated 5/1/2013 1:38:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > lbstiles@... writes: > > > > > Yes...I know how to convert AF locos to DC, but I have only done steamers > with rectifiers from Radio Shack. > > Can anyone give me a schematic- drawing or verbal- of which wires to > attach where on the rectifier on a diesel loco motor? > > That Gilbert reversing unit has to go! > > Thanks- > > Ben > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Info, please. If I were to replace Gilbert reversing unit with Dallee 400 unit, will the converted loco still run with AF 18B transfo ? I presume it will not interfere with other non-converted locos ? Thanks. Leon.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72235	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: A.F. O Gauge Track

I am looking to buy a half dozen clean American Flyer O Gauge Straight Track. If you have these for sale please contact me with price & shipping at: gmichael.leahy@... Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72236	From: David	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: SPRING Tune Up Special (Apr, May, Jun) (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72237	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: wheel trade

It is probably not the first time anyone has posted something like this here but.. I will trade my Hirail SHS wheels and couplers for your scale SHS wheels and truck spacer. I have an unknown quantity but you tell me what you have and we will work something out. Please reply directly to bill@... with what you have. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progess at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72238	From: snstrains	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: Converting a #372 to DC?

If you do, it will run like any other loco on any transformer. (only better). It will also run on both AC and DC. Steve In a message dated 5/2/2013 8:53:13 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, leon.bedard@... writes: If I were to replace Gilbert reversing unit with Dallee 400 unit, will the converted loco still run with AF 18B transfo ? I presume it will not interfere with other non-converted locos ? Thanks. Leon. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72239	From: bobgarm	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

Thanks Stumpy -- Doh! it's a 0-8-0 (sorry for the typo on that). I'll double check the gears, etc. The lube is recent, but maybe something got stuck in the gears. And I am used to troubleshooting weird stuff. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Gee, I thought a #343 was an 0-8-0. But they do make good 2-8-0's with a little customizing! > > Worn and binding brushes can be the problem, but there are other things that can cause similar troubles. If it runs better when warmed up, you might want to clean out the gearbox and put new lube in. Some of that old grease gets like concrete after so many years, especially if the engine is seldom run or someone packed the gearbox full. Once warm, it will soften a bit, then cool and get hard again. Just a little frsh lube is enough. > > Tim makes a very valid point for a bind developing in the drivetrain. This is more likely. Siderods, valve linkages, crankpins in the driver, drive wheels slipping even a little out of quarter, even some tiny debris sucked up into the gears (including the smoke unit gear.) > > Fortunately on old Flyer, figuring out what the problem is usually takes more time than fixing it! Just like vintage automobiles! ;-) > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72240	From: Jim	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: all aboard panels

hi all:what would be the best way to repair the all aboard panels when they are cracked?any suggestions would be appreciated.thanks.jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72241	From: Scott	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: AC/DC

If your using either SHS track or Lionel S gauge fast track do you have to use AC transformer? Can you use DC on them? Can I run a DC loco on them as long as I am using a DC transformer? Does the the rail that is used on these make any difference to what type of power you use? Lastly if I was to build my own scale track with Fasttrack jigs could I power them with AC if I choose to? I hope what I am trying to ask makes sense, I seem to be having one of those days. Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72242	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: all aboard panels

I suggest fibre-glass repair tape with solvent on the back of the cracked, broken bits. AQlistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 02 May 2013 21:01:18 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] all aboard panels   hi all:what would be the best way to repair the all aboard panels when they are cracked?any suggestions would be appreciated.thanks.jim ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvazgwcHBlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI0MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1MzY0Mjg-?act=reply&messageNum=72240 [2] mailto:northern83113@...?subject=Re%3A%20all%20aboard%20panels [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20all%20aboard%20panels [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMHY2bTBzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1MzY0Mjg- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/32027;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZGRscTExBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI0MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1MzY0MjgEdHBjSWQDMzIwMjc- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYjY5aDZwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY3NTM2NDI4 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNjRkYmNqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2NzUzNjQyOA-- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcGNmdXVmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1MzY0Mjg- [9] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaWRlbzgyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NzUzNjQyOA-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72243	From: watsonscruff2000	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: AC/DC

Scott, you can use AC or DC power with any type of rail -- whether it's SHS, Lionel or scratch built. In olden times, say the 1940s and 50s, model trains often were powered with a power supply and separate DC transformer. These days, everything is in one case if you buy a commercial AC or DC power pack. Hook up either one to your rails and just run trains. (Obviously, you can't put both AC and DC on the same track at the same time.. Rail comes in different types: nickle silver, steel and once upon a time in brass. Perhaps some other list member can debate the merits of nickle silver versus steel. I have an SHS diesel and cars and their snap track and switches. When I set up an Xmas type loop, I operate using an MRC power pack. Ed Havens Tucson, Ariz. ---- Scott <steamtramper@...> wrote: > If your using either SHS track or Lionel S gauge fast track do you have to use AC transformer? Can you use DC on them? Can I run a DC loco on them as long as I am using a DC transformer? Does the the rail that is used on these make any difference to what type of power you use? Lastly if I was to build my own scale track with Fasttrack jigs could I power them with AC if I choose to? > > I hope what I am trying to ask makes sense, I seem to be having one of those days. > > Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72244	From: Steven Allen	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: AC/DC

Scott, Although I don't consider electrical side of model railroading my expertise, the simple answer is you can run whatever power you want on the track you mentioned. If you were so inclined to even do DCC, you can. When Don Thompson produced his S Scale sets at S Helper Service, the transformer that was included in the set was DC (one of our club members operates his S-Trax with DCC, another, DC, and yet a third with AC). Your only concern is that your power source is compatiable with your motive power. I hope this doesn't confuse you, but you can operate AC locomotives on a DC transformer, BUT you can not run a DC locomotive on an AC transformer, that's the simply answer on matching transformer to motive power. As far as I know, there has never been any current specific track ever built, not even in the early years of the hobby. Again with the building of the tracks, the type of current you use does not matter. Hope that helps. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <steamtramper@...> wrote: > > If your using either SHS track or Lionel S gauge fast track do you have to use AC transformer? Can you use DC on them? Can I run a DC loco on them as long as I am using a DC transformer? Does the the rail that is used on these make any difference to what type of power you use? Lastly if I was to build my own scale track with Fasttrack jigs could I power them with AC if I choose to? > > I hope what I am trying to ask makes sense, I seem to be having one of those days. > > Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72245	From: Scott Huston	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: AC/DC

Thanks guys, that is what I was wondering. I have used both in the past but the AC was 3 rail so thought I'd ask :) Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada ________________________________ From: Steven Allen <allens1017@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AC/DC   Scott, Although I don't consider electrical side of model railroading my expertise, the simple answer is you can run whatever power you want on the track you mentioned. If you were so inclined to even do DCC, you can. When Don Thompson produced his S Scale sets at S Helper Service, the transformer that was included in the set was DC (one of our club members operates his S-Trax with DCC, another, DC, and yet a third with AC). Your only concern is that your power source is compatiable with your motive power. I hope this doesn't confuse you, but you can operate AC locomotives on a DC transformer, BUT you can not run a DC locomotive on an AC transformer, that's the simply answer on matching transformer to motive power. As far as I know, there has never been any current specific track ever built, not even in the early years of the hobby. Again with the building of the tracks, the type of current you use does not matter. Hope that helps. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72246	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 5/2/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Boxcar

Hi I believe the 974 was a knuckle coupler car what it sounds like you may have a 734 link base with a 974 shell Thanks Stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brady Burdge Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:51 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Operating Boxcar A friend spotted a Flyer operating boxcar at a local antique shop, I stopped by and picked it up for $23. What I got was a clean 974 with link coupler trucks (truck/body swap?) that had all it's parts except for a brakewheel and the rivit that attaches the operating door to the mechanism. I re-tensioned the main spring using the technique in Tom Barker's repair book, shortened the small spring, added a brakewheel and fashioned a door rivit from a small nail. It's working pretty well, although I have to use 18 volts for reliable operation. Does anyone know if this is normal? The car came with three baggage cubes, an order to Port Lines went out yesterday for more. Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72247	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: AC/DC

Well you normally can't run AC and DC trains at the same time but you can put AC and DC current on the track at the same time - that's how traditional Lionel train whistles and other Lionel and Flyer DC controlled AC locos were run - by temporarily puting a DC current on top of the AC running current to close the conrtacts on a DC relay. As to current specific track, Distler in the 50's made a peculiar two phase train that used AC  current through a central rail and one insulated outer rail to run a synchronous AC motor in one direction and through the other insulated rail to reverse direction. So I suppose you might argue it was current specific. Having said that Gargraves track could be used to run the same locos if the special controller transformer was used. However unless you have the Distler it should be ignored. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc:"Scott" Sent:Thu, 2 May 2013 16:57:12 -0700 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] AC/DC   Scott, you can use AC or DC power with any type of rail -- whether it's SHS, Lionel or scratch built. In olden times, say the 1940s and 50s, model trains often were powered with a power supply and separate DC transformer These days, everything is in one case if you buy a commercial AC or DC power pack. Hook up either one to your rails and just run trains. (Obviously, you can't put both AC and DC on the same track at the same time.. Rail comes in different types: nickle silver, steel and once upon a time in brass. Perhaps some other list member can debate the merits of nickle silver versus steel. I have an SHS diesel and cars and their snap track and switches. When I set up an Xmas type loop, I operate using an MRC power pack. Ed Havens Tucson, Ariz. ---- Scott wrote: > If your using either SHS track or Lionel S gauge fast track do you have to use AC transformer? Can you use DC on them? Can I run a DC loco on them as long as I am using a DC transformer? Does the the rail that is used on these make any difference to what type of power you use? Lastly if I was to build my own scale track with Fasttrack jigs could I power them with AC if I choose to? > > I hope what I am trying to ask makes sense, I seem to be having one of those days > > Scott Huston, Las Vegas Nevada > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:steamtramper%40yahoo.com [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaW9pNmw0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1Mzk0NDg-?act=reply&messageNum=72243 [3] mailto:edhavens@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20AC%2FDC [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20AC%2FDC [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdXBxamRiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1Mzk0NDg- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/3076;_ylc=X3oDMTMzc2RuMjhqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1Mzk0NDgEdHBjSWQDMzA3Ng-- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZW52ZW40BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY3NTM5NDQ4 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlOGlhMjcxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2NzUzOTQ0OA-- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYW5idmZiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1Mzk0NDg- [10] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNXZyMXVzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NzUzOTQ0OA-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [16] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72248	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Steamer can motors

We are finally back in stock with both the standard and scale speed motors for the American Flyer steam locomotives. This includes all but the Casey Jones and Docksider versions. BUT we are temporarily out of the shorter motors for the 0-8-0 locos. Hope to find a new source soon. Steve Blackburn S-'n-S Trains 3239 N Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.snstrains.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72249	From: wjjim2001	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: all aboard panels

Buy replacements from my barn. NO I don't have the "switch" or "whistle" panels. Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/2/2013 7:13:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, northern83113@... writes: hi all:what would be the best way to repair the all aboard panels when they are cracked?any suggestions would be appreciated.thanks.jim ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72250	From: Donald Keil	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: Steamer can motors

I purchase an american models 60 with a MCR 1822 that you installed. Will any other unit fit in to diesel. Like the sound. Do you install steam dcc sound and if so which one and how good is the sound.  Going in a 322 and a 332 Don ________________________________ From: "SnSTrains@..." <SnSTrains@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Steamer can motors   We are finally back in stock with both the standard and scale speed motors for the American Flyer steam locomotives. This includes all but the Casey Jones and Docksider versions. BUT we are temporarily out of the shorter motors for the 0-8-0 locos. Hope to find a new source soon. Steve Blackburn S-'n-S Trains 3239 N Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.snstrains.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72251	From: bobgarm	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

Turned by hand all the way around both ways. And yes, I had disassembled it as you did and put it back together. The linkages do not appear to be binding. I guess I need to take it apart and look at the smoke unit piston and it's gear as another possible binding point. Back to the testing / drawing board. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Bob, > > Can you turn the wheels a full revolution by turning the armature by hand? > > The reason I ask is that I have a 342 that ran OK until I diassembled everything, including siderods, for cleaning. Upon reassembly the motor would turn and lock as you describe. The issue was the front hole in the right siderod was worn just enough that it would not push the front wheel over the top. Instead it would lock. > > The solution for me was to use a hammer and drift to close the rear of the front hole up maybe 1/2 mm. I was hoping that would get me through until replacement siderods were ordered. Well, that was 3 years and a lot of running hours ago and I have not put the replacement siderods on yet. (They are not embossed like the originals) > > It's worth a look. If you can turn it by hand then you can leave the hammer in the toolbox. > > Have fun! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bobgarm" <p3garm@> wrote: > > > > I have a 343 (RIB KC) that used to run fairly well, but which now hangs up in both directions -- that is the reverse unit works and the armature turns 5 degrees or so and locks. I was able to "assist" it around my layout for a couple of minutes and then it worked as long as it was warm (powered). I then powered down, let it return to ambient, and the hang up occurred again. It's not a plastic tire problem -- fixed that a while ago. I'm thinking the brushes are so worn that I have a contact / binding issue. Tom Barker, what do you think? > > > > Bob (former Rochesterian) > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72252	From: snstrains	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

Sure sounds like a wheel(s) out of quarter to me.... Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 5/3/2013 3:26:56 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, p3garm@... writes: Turned by hand all the way around both ways. And yes, I had disassembled it as you did and put it back together. The linkages do not appear to be binding. I guess I need to take it apart and look at the smoke unit piston and it's gear as another possible binding point. Back to the testing / drawing board. Bob --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Bob, > > Can you turn the wheels a full revolution by turning the armature by hand? > > The reason I ask is that I have a 342 that ran OK until I diassembled everything, including siderods, for cleaning. Upon reassembly the motor would turn and lock as you describe. The issue was the front hole in the right siderod was worn just enough that it would not push the front wheel over the top. Instead it would lock. > > The solution for me was to use a hammer and drift to close the rear of the front hole up maybe 1/2 mm. I was hoping that would get me through until replacement siderods were ordered. Well, that was 3 years and a lot of running hours ago and I have not put the replacement siderods on yet. (They are not embossed like the originals) > > It's worth a look. If you can turn it by hand then you can leave the hammer in the toolbox. > > Have fun! > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "bobgarm" <p3garm@> wrote: > > > > I have a 343 (RIB KC) that used to run fairly well, but which now hangs up in both directions -- that is the reverse unit works and the armature turns 5 degrees or so and locks. I was able to "assist" it around my layout for a couple of minutes and then it worked as long as it was warm (powered). I then powered down, let it return to ambient, and the hang up occurred again. It's not a plastic tire problem -- fixed that a while ago. I'm thinking the brushes are so worn that I have a contact / binding issue. Tom Barker, what do you think? > > > > Bob (former Rochesterian) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72253	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: all aboard panels

hot glue -----Original Message----- From: WJJIM <WJJIM@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, May 3, 2013 11:03 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] all aboard panels Buy replacements from my barn. NO I don't have the "switch" or "whistle" panels. Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/2/2013 7:13:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, northern83113@... writes: hi all:what would be the best way to repair the all aboard panels when they are cracked?any suggestions would be appreciated.thanks.jim ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72254	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

If is not binding then maybe check the armature for continuity. Should be 1-2 ohms between commutator sectors. Sometimes diesels will only go with assistance if one sector is open. Another thing I have had happen is a weak reverse unit finger. You can test for that by using a toothpick to press the finger lightly to the drum. If it goes you've found the culprit. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bobgarm" <p3garm@...> wrote: > > Turned by hand all the way around both ways. And yes, I had disassembled it as you did and put it back together. The linkages do not appear to be binding. > > I guess I need to take it apart and look at the smoke unit piston and it's gear as another possible binding point. Back to the testing / drawing board. > > Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72255	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: NASG Elections

Group, As you may or may not know, the new issue of the NASG Dispatch is about to be mailed out and it contains this year's NASG membership election form. I believe all positions are uncontested, except for the one for the NASG President, which has both Bill Winans and Will Holt running. I just wanted to take this opportunity to let you all know my experience in working with Bill Winans over this past year and half in trying to revitalize the NASG web site. Bill provided the impetus to get the site redesigned. Although I did most of the aligning of the bits and bytes on the new site, I can tell you for sure that if it wasn't for Bill, the site would not be where it is today. As we are scattered all over the country (and world), most of our communications have to be done via e-mail. One of the things I really enjoy about working with Bill is that he responds to my e-mails quickly, typically within the same day, sometimes within an hour or two. If he didn't know the answer to a question, he knew who to ask. He went out of his way to get me the content for the site that I didn't have access to (e.g. photos and product history information). Bill has also been, and continues to be, the source of new ideas for the web site. There are a handful still on my "to-do list" that are going to continue to expand the usefulness of the web site. Bill is also the manager of the "nasgmembers" Yahoo Group, although Michael Greene and I are also part of the "admin" group, Bill does all the "leg work". I think the energy and dedication that Bill has demonstrated to me so far would be a great boost for the NASG as a whole. Disclaimer: Bill did not ask me to send this e-mail, nor did he compensate me for it :-) ; I just wanted to share with you my experience. Please take a few minutes to vote; in past elections people have only won by a couple of votes, so your vote *does* count. For a preview of what is up for election, please visit the About page on the NASG web site: http://www.nasg.org/About/index.htm#leadership While there, note that we are looking for an NASG member to take over the NASG Secretary position from Vic. - Peter. -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72256	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: GP-9 SHELL

Will the new LTI GP-9 shell fit right on to an old Gilbert 372 frame? Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72257	From: carl4flyer	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: GP-9 SHELL

It should fit _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:39 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GP-9 SHELL Will the new LTI GP-9 shell fit right on to an old Gilbert 372 frame? Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72258	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/3/2013
Subject: Re: GP-9 SHELL

Thank You, Mike In a message dated 5/3/2013 8:00:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, carl@... writes: It should fit _____ From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:39 PM To: _s-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GP-9 SHELL Will the new LTI GP-9 shell fit right on to an old Gilbert 372 frame? Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72259	From: imsscott	Date: 5/4/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Boxcar

How did you connect the nail to the mechanism? I just got a 974 with the same problem of the post having been broken off. It appears that it was originally welded on. Did you weld, glue, solder, or something else? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > A friend spotted a Flyer operating boxcar at a local antique shop, I stopped by and picked it up for $23.  What I got was a clean 974 with link coupler trucks (truck/body swap?) that had all it's parts except for a brakewheel and the rivit that attaches the operating door to the mechanism.  I re-tensioned the main spring using the technique in Tom Barker's repair book, shortened the small spring, added a brakewheel and fashioned a door rivit from a small nail.  >   > It's working pretty well, although I have to use 18 volts for reliable operation.  Does anyone know if this is normal? >   > The car came with three baggage cubes, an order to Port Lines went out yesterday for more.   >   >   > Brady  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72260	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/4/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Boxcar

<< How did you connect the nail to the mechanism? I just got a 974 with the same problem of the post having been broken off. It appears that it was originally welded on. Did you weld, glue, solder, or something else? >> I took a small nail that was made for hanging pictures, cut it off with a dremel, sharpened the end, and put it through the hole in the door so that the pointed end sticks into the the small hole in the metal arm.  It took a few attempts to get the length correct (I didn't want to cut it too short) and once I had the right length I superglued it to the door.  Once the glue set I had to file a bit of the point off because it was catching the crates.   From the outside it looks like a chrome rivet attached to the door. A better way might be to find a very small steel rod and pass it through the arm so its end passes through the hole in the door from the inside, but I didn't have anything that small that would be strong enough.   Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72261	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/4/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Boxcar

I have the original part in stock PA11667 $1.50 each. The larger part goes through the hole in the door and smaller part goes through the hole in the mechanism. The Gilbert factory appears they punched the smaller piece.  If you use a nail to make this, you will most likely have to drill a larger hole in the mechanism attachment and there's not a lot of room to work. Total length of the part is 5/16".  Tough part to make from a nail. � Tom Seccia � Triple"S"Supplies � . ________________________________ From: imsscott <imsscott@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Operating Boxcar   How did you connect the nail to the mechanism? I just got a 974 with the same problem of the post having been broken off. It appears that it was originally welded on. Did you weld, glue, solder, or something else? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > A friend spotted a Flyer operating boxcar at a local antique shop, I stopped by and picked it up for $23.  What I got was a clean 974 with link coupler trucks (truck/body swap?) that had all it's parts except for a brakewheel and the rivit that attaches the operating door to the mechanism.  I re-tensioned the main spring using the technique in Tom Barker's repair book, shortened the small spring, added a brakewheel and fashioned a door rivit from a small nail.  >   > It's working pretty well, although I have to use 18 volts for reliable operation.  Does anyone know if this is normal? >   > The car came with three baggage cubes, an order to Port Lines went out yesterday for more.   >   >   > Brady  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72262	From: Thorin	Date: 5/4/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

Dear Bob: I have had similar problems. For the siderods I filed down the back of the front hole, then soldered a washer to the back. That brought the hole back to the front. The other issue I discovered was the slots for the axles had worn. This allowed the flange of the front driver to touch the first blind driver. This was very hard to discover and diagnose. But once I realized it, I grabbed my Dremel with a cutter and reduced the backside of the blind driver. Volia! No more touching. Lionel does this on purpose is the O Gauge 4-8-4 and 4-8-2 and 2-8-4. The blind drivers already have a 45 degree bevel. I just took enough to remove the binding. A touch up of Tamiya black and she was good to go. (The Tamiya is a semi-gloss paint.) Another place I got caught was to use brand-new screws from Port Line. I had to learn the hard way. Some are now the American Flyer originals. Some of the shoulders on the Port Line screws are not deep enough so they lockup the monkey motion. Check that the screws aren't too tight. You may need to move some around as they may have worn differently. But, most of all, go slow. First does the motor run smooth WITHOUT the side rods. Then add the side rods. Then the main rods and cross heads etc. (I dangle mine in the air so I only have the cross head, not the valve gear. Last add the eccentrics. Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bobgarm" <p3garm@...> wrote: > > Thanks Stumpy -- Doh! it's a 0-8-0 (sorry for the typo on that). I'll double check the gears, etc. The lube is recent, but maybe something got stuck in the gears. And I am used to troubleshooting weird stuff. > > Bob > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@> wrote: > > > > Gee, I thought a #343 was an 0-8-0. But they do make good 2-8-0's with a little customizing! > > > > Worn and binding brushes can be the problem, but there are other things that can cause similar troubles. If it runs better when warmed up, you might want to clean out the gearbox and put new lube in. Some of that old grease gets like concrete after so many years, especially if the engine is seldom run or someone packed the gearbox full. Once warm, it will soften a bit, then cool and get hard again. Just a little frsh lube is enough. > > > > Tim makes a very valid point for a bind developing in the drivetrain. This is more likely. Siderods, valve linkages, crankpins in the driver, drive wheels slipping even a little out of quarter, even some tiny debris sucked up into the gears (including the smoke unit gear.) > > > > Fortunately on old Flyer, figuring out what the problem is usually takes more time than fixing it! Just like vintage automobiles! ;-) > > Stumpy in Ahia > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72263	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/4/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/5/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72264	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 5/5/2013
Subject: 11 yrs a member

WOW! was just looking at when I signed up for this group on yahoo. Been 11 years. My how time fly's by. I must say I have learned so much from the people on this list and have made so many friends around the world because of this list. Thanks to Paul Yorke for the forsight to know how this would help us all. I never get tired of looking at all the pics and going back and reading some of the emails. It is also amazing to be part of the lives of friends here and to see what we all go through in our lives. I am blessed to have known many of you and to meet so many of you. Looking forward to many more years and friends to come. S- Gauge forever!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72265	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/5/2013
Subject: The Spree

Well, we're home from the 2013 Spring S Spree, and had a good night's sleep (finally) and able to get our thoughts together. Another good one! There is far too much to talk about, but here's the "short version." The hotel was VERY unique and will make this Spree especially memorable. It's built in the old Quaker Oats grain silos in downtown Akron. I couldn't "go stand in the corner" of the room, because it WAS round! The floors slope in places making it seem like you're a bit "tipsy." Unfortunately, our street side room was rather noisy all night. It is one of the few places laid out so confusing that you can get lost trying to find your room, and even finding your way back to the lobby! The walls are covered in art which is rather unique and interesting. Just walking around looking at the place was neat. This interesting experience will vanish soon as the hotel is to be closed and turned into a college dorm. I hope the two "fugitives from the scrap line" steam locos on display outdoors will find better homes in the process. As usual, we had a great time talking to the many S gaugers and displaying my kit bashed Flyer locos, converted Bachmann On30 cars, and scratch built stuff. There were still people discovering how much farther you can push S gauge with some creativity. My clinc seems to have been enjoyed by the small group who attended. Being a "car guy," I especially enjoyed Marty Lydecker's clinc on Gilbert slot cars and talking with him at other times. This was something refreshing from the usual clinic fare. Another plus at this event was that real CSX trains ran right behind the building on 30 minute headings, so you could even get in some train watching. Our location was by the main door and Cindy was thrilled with the people watching availible there! I'll bet we talked to at least half the people at the event during the Spree. Had many great conversations, and not all on trains. And despite our current money troubles, I managed to sell a few things to allow me to gather up two "projects." The Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers did a good job at a unique venue to create a memorable Spree. Good job! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72266	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/5/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/5/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72267	From: pdagenais01	Date: 5/5/2013
Subject: Re: Steamer can motors

Steve, I have about 6 AF engines and one diesel that I can't get to run. I do not know anything about repairing them. Can you or refer me to someone who will repair them and any idea on prices. Most of the engines I bought on ebay and I have found out that this is where a lot of people get rid of their trash. Your help would be appreciated. Phil Dagenais Flippin, Arkansas 870-453-7925 In a message dated 5/3/2013 11:03:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, SnSTrains@... writes: We are finally back in stock with both the standard and scale speed motors for the American Flyer steam locomotives. This includes all but the Casey Jones and Docksider versions. BUT we are temporarily out of the shorter motors for the 0-8-0 locos. Hope to find a new source soon. Steve Blackburn S-'n-S Trains 3239 N Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.snstrains.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _Reply via web post_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaWF2Zmc4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJ ZAM3MjI0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1OTcwMDc-?act=reply&messageNu m=72248) _Reply to sender _ (mailto:SnSTrains@...?subjec t=Re:%20Steamer%20can%20motors) _Reply to group _ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Steamer%20can%20motors) _Start a New Topic_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaGdyaWQzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2Mj gzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1OTcwMDc-) _Messages in this topic_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72248;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Y2J1YWswBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwN jUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1OTcwMDcEdHBjS WQDNzIyNDg-) (1) Recent Activity: * _New Photos_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdHA4cWthBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWM DdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY3NTk3MDA3) 13 * _New Files_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaHNvbmExBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMD dnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2NzU5NzAwNw--) 1 _Visit Your Group_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZGFkajJtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHN sawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1OTcwMDc-) Enjoy thousands of great photos at _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/_ (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/) MARKETPLACE ____________________________________ ____________________________________ (http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiYWc3OGE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NzU5NzAwNw-- ) Switch to: _Text-Only_ (mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional) , _Daily Digest_ (mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest) • _Unsubscribe_ (mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe) • _Terms of Use_ (http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/) • _Send us Feedback _ (mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback on the redesigned individual mail v1) . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72268	From: snstrains	Date: 5/6/2013
Subject: Re: Steamer can motors

Well of course Phil. Go to our web site and you will see that we do all American Flyer repairs and restorations. There is a link below. Our prices are there. Regards, Steve 208-376-1159 _www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.snstrains.com) In a message dated 5/5/2013 10:46:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, Dagenais01@... writes: Steve, I have about 6 AF engines and one diesel that I can't get to run. I do not know anything about repairing them. Can you or refer me to someone who will repair them and any idea on prices. Most of the engines I bought on ebay and I have found out that this is where a lot of people get rid of their trash. Your help would be appreciated. Phil Dagenais Flippin, Arkansas 870-453-7925 In a message dated 5/3/2013 11:03:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, _SnSTrains@..._ (mailto:SnSTrains@...) writes: We are finally back in stock with both the standard and scale speed motors for the American Flyer steam locomotives. This includes all but the Casey Jones and Docksider versions. BUT we are temporarily out of the shorter motors for the 0-8-0 locos. Hope to find a new source soon. Steve Blackburn S-'n-S Trains 3239 N Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 www.snstrains.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _Reply via web post_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaWF2Zmc4BF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJ ZAM3MjI0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1OTcwMDc-?act=reply&messageNu m=72248) _Reply to sender _ (mailto:_SnSTrains@..._ (mailto:SnSTrains@...) ?subjec t=Re:%20Steamer%20can%20motors) _Reply to group _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Re:%20Steamer%20can%20motors) _Start a New Topic_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaGdyaWQzBF9TAzk3Mz U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2Mj gzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1OTcwMDc-) _Messages in this topic_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72248;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Y2J1YWswB F9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwN jUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1OTcwMDcEdHBjS WQDNzIyNDg-) (1) Recent Activity: * _New Photos_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdHA4cWthBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWM DdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY3NTk3MDA3) 13 * _New Files_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaHNvbmExBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMD dnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2NzU5NzAwNw--) 1 _Visit Your Group_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZGFkajJtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE 0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHN sawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjc1OTcwMDc-) Enjoy thousands of great photos at __http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/__ (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/_) (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/) MARKETPLACE ____________________________________ ____________________________________ (http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiYWc3OGE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2M jgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2NzU5NzAwNw-- ) Switch to: _Text-Only_ (mailto:_S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional) , _Daily Digest_ (mailto:_S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Email Delivery: Digest) • _Unsubscribe_ (mailto:_S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Unsubscribe) • _Terms of Use_ (http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/) • _Send us Feedback _ (mailto:_ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com) ?subject=Feedback on the redesigned individual mail v1) . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72269	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/6/2013
Subject: "The Junkyard" on My Flyer Trains

The latest part of the Stumpy's Station series "The Junkyard" has been posted on Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website at; http://myflyertrains.org For old "car guys" some of this episode will be either old news, or a walk down Memory Lane. A junkyard is the type of "industry" which can be used to fill in odd spots on a layout or can have it's own siding and activity. And the automobiles "date" your layout very well because they changed much more often than the trains did! Enjoy the series, I picked up a "project" at the Spree for future Stumpy's Station installments. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72270	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/6/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

Great reasoning by reduction tip to build up from the most isolated element possible (motor alone, including smoke piston push rod disconnected) and build up or add on from there. I too then test it dangling, on rollers, and finally on the track - - all as often as possible without adding the shell until later as well. > But, most of all, go slow. First does the motor run smooth WITHOUT the side rods. Then add the side rods. Then the main rods and cross heads etc. (I dangle mine in the air so I only have the cross head, not the valve gear. Last add the eccentrics.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72271	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/6/2013
Subject: Any Erector Set Experts Here?

Hi All, I picked up an Erector Set last weekend at the Seabrook TCA meet. Several people were trying to decide whether to pull the trigger and buy it for $40 so I finally decided to get it. I planned to try to assemble some of the toys, but after a little research this seems to be a somewhat rare set. It is a 7 1/2 Engineers Set in the red CARDBOARD set box. I found an article on line that said this set was only made in the red cardboard box in 1947, 1951 and 1952 due to steel shortages after WWII. One identical to this sold recently on eBay for $295. Anyone know anything about this set? If it is rare I would rather pass it along to an Erector guy than just play with it and mess it up. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72272	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED

_Bill Bean's Erector Set and A. C. Gilbert Website - Welcome!_ (http://www.erectorset.net/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72273	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: ERECTOR SETS

__My Life With Erector Sets-- My Erector Sets and their Restoration__ (http://www.jitterbuzz.com/erecsets.html#seven) After you click on this link, look for the Blue link to "Meet Mr. Bean"...I have his direct link somewhere & will post it ASAP. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72274	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: MORE ERECTOR

_GILBERT ERECTOR PARTS_ (http://www.rfgco.com/erector/erectorparts.html) RFG parts list Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72275	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: GILBERT VILLAGE WHILE WE ARE AT IT (ERECTOR)

_A. C. Gilbert's Discovery Village_ (http://acgilbert.org/) Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72276	From: Thorin	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: "The Junkyard" on My Flyer Trains

Dear Stumpy: My layouts have always had a working junkyard. It give me a home for my electromagnetic crane. I use the bottom of a kit box (brown, thin card stock). I draw boards on the walls. I cut a slot and run in a single track for gondolas, giving another industry. The overhead for my electrics stops just before the entrance. This is just like the real Behr junkyard, ahem, salvage yard serviced by the 600 volt DC Iowa Traction Railroad in Mason City, Iowa. They used whatever is available to reach in to grab the loaded gons or spot empties. I put mine near the workbench, in front. Since it is full of AF parts, I rummage through it frequently, looking for what I need. Alas, I haven't had a real layout for about 15 years. I have moved away from AF. I plan to do it again but I expect the contents will change. Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The latest part of the Stumpy's Station series "The Junkyard" has been posted on Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website at; http://myflyertrains.org For old "car guys" some of this episode will be either old news, or a walk down Memory Lane. > > A junkyard is the type of "industry" which can be used to fill in odd spots on a layout or can have it's own siding and activity. And the automobiles "date" your layout very well because they changed much more often than the trains did! > > Enjoy the series, I picked up a "project" at the Spree for future Stumpy's Station installments. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72277	From: rick gough	Date: 5/7/2013
Subject: Re: GILBERT VILLAGE WHILE WE ARE AT IT (ERECTOR)

Pretty good stuff on the Erector Sets. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Mon, 5/6/13, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GILBERT VILLAGE WHILE WE ARE AT IT (ERECTOR) To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 6, 2013, 10:55 PM   _A. C. Gilbert's Discovery Village_ (http://acgilbert.org/) Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72278	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 5/8/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED

Has anyone researched the competing brands of construction sets? When I visited the Toy Museum in Nuremburg, Germany there were a number of Erector-like sets on display with no mention of Erector... was Gilbert the first such system?? Charlie Vlk _Bill Bean's Erector Set and A. C. Gilbert Website - Welcome!_ (http://www.erectorset.net/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72279	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/8/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED

The answer is of course No. Meccano was the first, around ten years before Gilbert and by the time of Gilbert there were about 6 copiers of Meccano. AC Gilbert was actually an agent for Meccano before he developed his own innovative variation with his patented girders, but still using Meccano techniques for supporting parts with drilled plates and strips and other nut and bolt assembly. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 8 May 2013 08:55:54 -0500 Subject:RE: [S-Trains] RE: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED   Has anyone researched the competing brands of construction sets? When I visited the Toy Museum in Nuremburg, Germany there were a number of Erector-like sets on display with no mention of Erector... was Gilbert the first such system?? Charlie Vlk _Bill Bean's Erector Set and A. C. Gilbert Website - Welcome!_ (http://www.erectorset.net/ [1]) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.erectorset.net/ [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcWc4bWhsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI3OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTA-?act=reply&messageNum=72278 [3] mailto:cvlk@...?subject=RE%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3A%20MEET%20MR.%20BEAN%20...%20ERECTOR%20RELATED [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3A%20MEET%20MR.%20BEAN%20...%20ERECTOR%20RELATED [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdWdvZmZpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72272;_ylc=X3oDMTM0dm11Ym0wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI3OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTAEdHBjSWQDNzIyNzI- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdW0xczBrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY4MDI5NTkw?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJldXFmazV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2ODAyOTU5MA-- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZzN2NTI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTA- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNW05Y3R0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2ODAyOTU5MA-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [16] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72280	From: michael prell	Date: 5/8/2013
Subject: Re: Any Erector Set Experts Here?

David, I sent you incorrect information yesterday. This should provide you with what you need. Sorry. Mike Prell A C Gilbert Heritage Society. The source for infromation on ... Showcase and celebrate the works of A.C.Gilbert Promote the Heritage Society by educating the public and by showing the works of our members.acghs.org     ________________________________ From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 10:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Any Erector Set Experts Here?   Hi All, I picked up an Erector Set last weekend at the Seabrook TCA meet. Several people were trying to decide whether to pull the trigger and buy it for $40 so I finally decided to get it. I planned to try to assemble some of the toys, but after a little research this seems to be a somewhat rare set. It is a 7 1/2 Engineers Set in the red CARDBOARD set box. I found an article on line that said this set was only made in the red cardboard box in 1947, 1951 and 1952 due to steel shortages after WWII. One identical to this sold recently on eBay for $295. Anyone know anything about this set? If it is rare I would rather pass it along to an Erector guy than just play with it and mess it up. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72281	From: NEIL	Date: 5/8/2013
Subject: J3a streamline project

I posted some pics of my J3a streamline project Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72282	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Fwd: MTH Electric Trains S Gauge Newsletter - May 8, 2013

-----Original Message----- From: MTH Electric Trains <sales@...> To: HARWOOD W. OWINGS III <howingsiii@...> Sent: Wed, May 8, 2013 1:53 pm Subject: MTH Electric Trains S Gauge Newsletter - May 8, 2013 MTH Home My MTH Product Locator MTH News MTH Service Contact Us Now Taking Orders: 2013 S Gauge Catalog May 8, 2013 - S Gauge fans can now place orders for the new 2013 products through their local M.T.H. Authorized Retailer or directly on the M.T.H. Website. If you're interested in placing orders directly on the website, visit the following link to learn how to place your order. 2013 S Gauge Catalog Follow Us On © 2013 M.T.H. Electric Trains 7020 Columbia Gateway Drive, Columbia, MD 21046 (410)381-2580 © 2013 M.T.H. Electric Trains 7020 Columbia Gateway Drive, Columbia, MD 21046 (410)381-2580 Sent to: howingsiii@... Unsubscribe MTH Electric Trains 7020 Columbia Gateway Drive Columbia, MD 21046 USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72283	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: "The Junkyard" on My Flyer Trains

I just had a look at one of Alan Keller's redistributed videos. This one was on Chuck Hitchcock's Santa Fe Argentine Division and rail yard. Anyway, the neat thing was that in the presentation, there was shown a very short train with perhaps just 5 or 6 gondolas followed by a caboose. Each car was filled to the brim with scrap metal. It matters not what scale these videos feature, as they offer great ideas and like the scrap metal in the cars, they are chocked full of images and inspiration. This one sure turned on my own personal light bulb as I had just read Stumpy"s Junk Yard write up. Also over the years there have been numerous articles describing how to beat up or bang up model railroad cars with such things as hot soldering irons. The end result, of course is that you have a freight car that has an appearance appropriate to its use or function. Certainly there are a lot of old Texas & Pacific style junker Flyer gondolas lurking about which could I dare I say be "butchered". Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72284	From: Herbert	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED

Meccano was definitely first. Gilbert, because of hs patents was able to protect the Erector system; Meccano, because of its more generic parts could not and had many imitators. Construction set experts generally acknowledge that Meccano was a more flexile system. (I am NOT a Meccano expert). have found the A C Gilbert Heritage Society an excellent source for Gilbert info (acghs.ORG). However, the idea that AC Gilbert had a connection with Meccano is just folklore. A lot of historical "facts" about Gilbert are suppositions. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > The answer is of course No. Meccano was the first, around ten years > before Gilbert and by the time of Gilbert there were about 6 copiers > of Meccano. AC Gilbert was actually an agent for Meccano before he > developed his own innovative variation with his patented girders, but > still using Meccano techniques for supporting parts with drilled > plates and strips and other nut and bolt assembly. Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Wed, 8 May 2013 08:55:54 -0500 > Subject:RE: [S-Trains] RE: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED > >   > > Has anyone researched the competing brands of construction sets? > > When I visited the Toy Museum in Nuremburg, Germany there were a > number of > Erector-like sets on display with no mention of Erector... was > Gilbert the > first such system?? > > Charlie Vlk > > _Bill Bean's Erector Set and A. C. Gilbert Website - Welcome!_ > (http://www.erectorset.net/ [1]) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.erectorset.net/ > [2] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcWc4bWhsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI3OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTA-?act=reply&messageNum=72278 > [3] > mailto:cvlk@...?subject=RE%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3A%20MEET%20MR.%20BEAN%20...%20ERECTOR%20RELATED > [4] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3A%20MEET%20MR.%20BEAN%20...%20ERECTOR%20RELATED > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdWdvZmZpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTA- > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72272;_ylc=X3oDMTM0dm11Ym0wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI3OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTAEdHBjSWQDNzIyNzI- > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdW0xczBrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY4MDI5NTkw?o=6 > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJldXFmazV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2ODAyOTU5MA-- > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZzN2NTI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTA- > [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNW05Y3R0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2ODAyOTU5MA-- > [12] > mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [13] > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > [16] > mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72285	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED

Meccano WAS patented. At the time of World War1 Meccano took out a successful lawsuit against its main US competitor - American Model Builder and won - putting them out of business. At the time of the decision Structo ceased making their copy so one can conclude they either settled out of court or saw the writing on the wall. AC would have been in infringement with his non 4 sided girder stuff but was a friend of Frank Hornby so we can assume had immunity. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 09 May 2013 09:30:12 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED   Meccano was definitely first. Gilbert, because of hs patents was able to protect the Erector system; Meccano, because of its more generic parts could not and had many imitators. Construction set experts generally acknowledge that Meccano was a more flexile system. (I am NOT a Meccano expert). have found the A C Gilbert Heritage Society an excellent source for Gilbert info (acghs.ORG). However, the idea that AC Gilbert had a connection with Meccano is just folklore. A lot of historical "facts" about Gilbert are suppositions. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], alizoo@... wrote: > > The answer is of course No. Meccano was the first, around ten years > before Gilbert and by the time of Gilbert there were about 6 copiers > of Meccano. AC Gilbert was actually an agent for Meccano before he > developed his own innovative variation with his patented girders, but > still using Meccano techniques for supporting parts with drilled > plates and strips and other nut and bolt assembly. Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Wed, 8 May 2013 08:55:54 -0500 > Subject:RE: [S-Trains] RE: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED > >   > > Has anyone researched the competing brands of construction sets? > > When I visited the Toy Museum in Nuremburg, Germany there were a > number of > Erector-like sets on display with no mention of Erector... was > Gilbert the > first such system?? > > Charlie Vlk > > _Bill Bean's Erector Set and A. C. Gilbert Website - Welcome!_ > (http://www.erectorset.net/ [3] [1]) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ [4] > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.erectorset.net/ [5] > [2] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcWc4bWhsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI3OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTA-?act=reply&messageNum=72278 [6] > [3] > mailto:cvlk@...?subject=RE%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3A%20MEET%20MR.%20BEAN%20...%20ERECTOR%20RELATED > [4] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7]?subject=RE%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3A%20MEET%20MR.%20BEAN%20...%20ERECTOR%20RELATED > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdWdvZmZpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTA- [8] > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72272;_ylc=X3oDMTM0dm11Ym0wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI3OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTAEdHBjSWQDNzIyNzI- [9] > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdW0xczBrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY4MDI5NTkw?o=6 [10] > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJldXFmazV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTM2ODAyOTU5MA-- [11] > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZzN2NTI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjgwMjk1OTA- [12] > [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [13] > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNW05Y3R0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2ODAyOTU5MA-- [14] > [12] > mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com [15]?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [13] > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com [16]?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com [17]?subject=Unsubscribe > [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [18] > [16] > mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com [19]?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72286	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED

BTW when AC was competing at the London Olympics he met Frank Hornby. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 10 May 2013 05:36:17 +0930 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED   Meccano WAS patented. At the time of World War1 Meccano took out a successful lawsuit against its main US competitor - American Model Builder and won - putting them out of business. At the time of the decision Structo ceased making their copy so one can conclude they either settled out of court or saw the writing on the wall. AC would have been in infringement with his non 4 sided girder stuff but was a friend of Frank Hornby so we can assume had immunity. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1] To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 09 May 2013 09:30:12 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED   Meccano was definitely first. Gilbert, because of hs patents was able to protect the Erector system; Meccano, because of its more generic parts could not and had many imitators. Construction set experts generally acknowledge that Meccano was a more flexile system. (I am NOT a Meccano expert). have found the A C Gilbert Heritage Society an excellent source for Gilbert info (acghs.ORG). However, the idea that AC Gilbert had a connection with Meccano is just folklore. A lot of historical "facts" about Gilbert are suppositions. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] [1], alizoo@... wrote: > > The answer is of course No. Meccano was the first, around ten years > before Gilbert and by the time of Gilbert there were about 6 copiers > of Meccano. AC Gilbert was actually an agent for Meccano before he > developed his own innovative variation with his patented girders, but > still using Meccano techniques for supporting parts with drilled > plates and strips and other nut and bolt assembly. Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] [2] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Wed, 8 May 2013 08:55:54 -0500 > Subject:RE: [S-Trains] RE: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED > >   > > Has anyone researched the competing brands of construction sets? > > When I visited the Toy Museum in Nuremburg, Germany there were a > number of > Erector-like sets on display with no mention of Erector... was > Gilbert the > first such system?? > > Charlie Vlk > > _Bill Bean's Erector Set and A. C. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72287	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: J3a streamline project

Neil, Thanks for posting. It's looking good so far. The Dreyfuss Husdon has always been a favorite of mine. I am looking forward to seeing the progress as you go along. Can you post about the materials you are using? I am finishing up a Hudson project myself, but nothing so ambitious! Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "NEIL" <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: > > I posted some pics of my J3a streamline project > > Neil in Oregon >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72288	From: Herbert	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED

Alistair, You are absolutely correct about American Model Builder patent suit. I've searched and have not found anything about Gilbert meeting Hornby in London but it's possible. I also have found no documentation on his ever working as an agent for Meccano. I also don't think that Hornby would acquiesce to a "friend" appropriating patents worth millions. I'm just searching for information and don't wish to give you a hard time as I have great respect for you as a contributor to this forum. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > BTW when AC was competing at the London Olympics he met Frank Hornby. > Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Fri, 10 May 2013 05:36:17 +0930 > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED > >   > > Meccano WAS patented. At the time of World War1 Meccano took out a > successful lawsuit against its main US competitor - American Model > Builder and won - putting them out of business. At the time of the > decision Structo ceased making their copy so one can conclude they > either settled out of court or saw the writing on the wall. AC > would > have been in infringement with his non 4 sided girder stuff but was > a > friend of Frank Hornby so we can assume had immunity. Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Thu, 09 May 2013 09:30:12 -0000 > Subject:[S-Trains] Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED > >   > > Meccano was definitely first. Gilbert, because of hs patents was > able to protect the Erector system; Meccano, because of its more > generic > parts could not and had many imitators. Construction set experts > generally acknowledge that Meccano was a more flexile system. (I am > NOT a Meccano expert). have found the A C Gilbert Heritage Society > an > excellent source for Gilbert info (acghs.ORG). > > However, the idea that AC Gilbert had a connection with Meccano is > just > folklore. A lot of historical "facts" about Gilbert are > suppositions. > > Herb Wasserman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] [1], alizoo@ wrote: > > > > The answer is of course No. Meccano was the first, around ten > years > > before Gilbert and by the time of Gilbert there were about 6 > copiers > > of Meccano. AC Gilbert was actually an agent for Meccano before he > > developed his own innovative variation with his patented girders, > but > > still using Meccano techniques for supporting parts with > drilled > > plates and strips and other nut and bolt assembly. Alistair  > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] [2] > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent:Wed, 8 May 2013 08:55:54 -0500 > > Subject:RE: [S-Trains] RE: MEET MR. BEAN ... 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72289	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/9/2013
Subject: Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED

Well Frank was certainly a hard man , as most business men were at the time - perhaps Hornby or the US franchise felt that it wasn't worth running into too much litigation and that if they managed the example of the AMB company that would do the trick and scare others off. It may indeed have scared Structo off. As to my sources it has been some years since I read about the Hornby/ Gilbert  London Olympics link and consequent small agency business. What the credentials were of that source I can't say. I suspect for apparently lunatic reasons I will not go into that if the pair met they would have been friends. BTW I have just built a 1913 AMB design using AMB, US and British nickel Meccano parts Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 10 May 2013 00:00:57 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED   Alistair, You are absolutely correct about American Model Builder patent suit. I've searched and have not found anything about Gilbert meeting Hornby in London but it's possible. I also have found no documentation on his ever working as an agent for Meccano. I also don't think that Hornby would acquiesce to a "friend" appropriating patents worth millions. I'm just searching for information and don't wish to give you a hard time as I have great respect for you as a contributor to this forum. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], alizoo@... wrote: > > BTW when AC was competing at the London Olympics he met Frank Hornby. > Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Fri, 10 May 2013 05:36:17 +0930 > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED > >   > > Meccano WAS patented. At the time of World War1 Meccano took out a > successful lawsuit against its main US competitor - American Model > Builder and won - putting them out of business. At the time of the > decision Structo ceased making their copy so one can conclude they > either settled out of court or saw the writing on the wall. AC > would > have been in infringement with his non 4 sided girder stuff but was > a > friend of Frank Hornby so we can assume had immunity. Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] [1] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Thu, 09 May 2013 09:30:12 -0000 > Subject:[S-Trains] Re: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED > >   > > Meccano was definitely first. Gilbert, because of hs patents was > able to protect the Erector system; Meccano, because of its more > generic > parts could not and had many imitators. Construction set experts > generally acknowledge that Meccano was a more flexile system. (I am > NOT a Meccano expert). have found the A C Gilbert Heritage Society > an > excellent source for Gilbert info (acghs.ORG). > > However, the idea that AC Gilbert had a connection with Meccano is > just > folklore. A lot of historical "facts" about Gilbert are > suppositions. > > Herb Wasserman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] [2] [1], alizoo@ wrote: > > > > The answer is of course No. Meccano was the first, around ten > years > > before Gilbert and by the time of Gilbert there were about 6 > copiers > > of Meccano. AC Gilbert was actually an agent for Meccano before he > > developed his own innovative variation with his patented girders, > but > > still using Meccano techniques for supporting partsàwith > drilled > > plates and stripsàand other nut and bolt assembly. Alistairà > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [5] [3] [2] > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent:Wed, 8 May 2013 08:55:54 -0500 > > Subject:RE: [S-Trains] RE: MEET MR. BEAN ... ERECTOR RELATED > > > > à > > > > Has anyone researched the competing brands of construction sets? > > > > When I visited the Toy Museum in Nuremburg, Germany there were a > > number of > > Erector-like sets on display with no mention of Erector... was > > Gilbert the > > first such system?? > > > > Charlie Vlk > > > > _Bill Bean's Erector Set and A. C. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72290	From: David	Date: 5/10/2013
Subject: A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN ;o) (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72291	From: Jamie Bothwell	Date: 5/10/2013
Subject: Early Registration Extended

Hi Folks, Since the the latest issue of the Dispatch just arrived, I have decided to extend Eaarly Registration until May 31st. In addition, some folks have told me that the hotel is all booked. As of 4:00pm today there were 22 rooms available for Wednesday, 11 for Thursday, 10 for Friday, and 28 for Saturday. If you are having trouble reserving a room, let me know. Jamie Bothwell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72292	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/11/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/12/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 12, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72293	From: Eric	Date: 5/12/2013
Subject: SHS 3 Bay Hoppers for Sale

As part of a friends Estate I have 12 SHS 3 bay hoppers left for sale. These are high rail with kadee couplers. I have a few scale wheel sets but not 12 sets and no knuckle couplers left. This is just about the last of this stuff. 1. 12 SHS 3 bay PS2 hoppers ( 8 road names, BN, Penn, etc) High Rail kadee. 10 have boxes and foam, $20 each or all 12 for $200. Plus shipping. 2. 18 Tonkin all metal PEM 40 foot refer trailers, no wheel sets on these. Very nice containers. http://www.pemtrucks.com/product.php?id=124 $15 each or quantities for $12. Plus shipping. I have sold basically everything else from this estate, thanks Eric Reis Kenmore. Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72294	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/12/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/12/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 12, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72295	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 5/12/2013
Subject: Re: SHS 3 Bay Hoppers for Sale

I will take all 12 for $ 200 if you can wait till june 3 for usps money order to be sent to you thanks pete To : AvailableSgauge <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>; s-scale <s-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, May 12, 2013 12:52 pm Subject: [S-Trains] SHS 3 Bay Hoppers for Sale As part of a friends Estate I have 12 SHS 3 bay hoppers left for sale. These are high rail with kadee couplers. I have a few scale wheel sets but not 12 sets and no knuckle couplers left. This is just about the last of this stuff. 1. 12 SHS 3 bay PS2 hoppers ( 8 road names, BN, Penn, etc) High Rail kadee. 10 have boxes and foam, $20 each or all 12 for $200. Plus shipping. 2. 18 Tonkin all metal PEM 40 foot refer trailers, no wheel sets on these. Very nice containers. http://www.pemtrucks.com/product.php?id=124 $15 each or quantities for $12. Plus shipping. I have sold basically everything else from this estate, thanks Eric Reis Kenmore. Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72296	From: LB	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Off Topic - Train Auctions

This post is about an auction experience I had last week involving American Flyer trains. It is a little off topic, so if you are interested only specific AF/S Gauge posts you can pass it by. But if you occasionally find yourself contemplating the signs of our times, you may want to read this. Last week I bid on some American Flyer train items via a local online auction here in the mid Atlantic region. I won four of the approximately twenty lots, one of which was a shoe box full of miscellaneous minor parts. I had a medical appointment resulting in my arriving at the pickup point about an hour after it opened. It was raining, crowded, with waiting lines and clogged streets in a suburban neighborhood setting. So once I got through the check in, I was given my items, along with the closed shoe box lot of assorted Flyer items. Having no reason to suspect anything was amiss, (I have dealt with this auction house for over twenty years) I gathered my items and left. Upon arriving home, I discovered that the main two items shown and advertised in the box lot, a desirable operating car button, and a third rail pickup unit were missing. They were the primary reasons I had bid on the lot in the first place. The remainder of the box lot was of little value to me. What were the odds that by accident or some other happenstance the two most desirable pieces out of the lot had been lost or misplaced? Yeah. I can't believe that the general public, there to retrieve non train related items from the auction would have reached into that box and managed to take the best of the lot. I can only conclude that they were taken during the first hour of pickup by one of the other train bidders and my fellow train enthusiasts who would have known what to cherry pick from the lot. Having had a few days to think about this, I can only say what a sad statement this is for "America's Greatest Hobby". Did someone really risk getting caught stealing for less than $20 worth of common train items? Since most of the items were AF, perhaps that individual is reading this post. Anyone can. If so, I hope this makes them feel even smaller than they actually are. And yes, on the slim chance that my missing items are due to something other than theft, I apologize for any aspersions this posting may have cast upon any and all. I find myself once again longing for the "good `ole days"; perhaps I have been in this hobby too long. My best to all, Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72297	From: James Lyle	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Train Auctions

Seeing theft at "train shows" for years Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2013, at 3:48 PM, "LB" <hblanier@...> wrote: > This post is about an auction experience I had last week involving American Flyer trains. It is a little off topic, so if you are interested only specific AF/S Gauge posts you can pass it by. But if you occasionally find yourself contemplating the signs of our times, you may want to read this. > Last week I bid on some American Flyer train items via a local online auction here in the mid Atlantic region. I won four of the approximately twenty lots, one of which was a shoe box full of miscellaneous minor parts. I had a medical appointment resulting in my arriving at the pickup point about an hour after it opened. > It was raining, crowded, with waiting lines and clogged streets in a suburban neighborhood setting. So once I got through the check in, I was given my items, along with the closed shoe box lot of assorted Flyer items. Having no reason to suspect anything was amiss, (I have dealt with this auction house for over twenty years) I gathered my items and left. > Upon arriving home, I discovered that the main two items shown and advertised in the box lot, a desirable operating car button, and a third rail pickup unit were missing. They were the primary reasons I had bid on the lot in the first place. The remainder of the box lot was of little value to me. What were the odds that by accident or some other happenstance the two most desirable pieces out of the lot had been lost or misplaced? Yeah. > I can't believe that the general public, there to retrieve non train related items from the auction would have reached into that box and managed to take the best of the lot. I can only conclude that they were taken during the first hour of pickup by one of the other train bidders and my fellow train enthusiasts who would have known what to cherry pick from the lot. > Having had a few days to think about this, I can only say what a sad statement this is for "America's Greatest Hobby". Did someone really risk getting caught stealing for less than $20 worth of common train items? Since most of the items were AF, perhaps that individual is reading this post. Anyone can. If so, I hope this makes them feel even smaller than they actually are. > And yes, on the slim chance that my missing items are due to something other than theft, I apologize for any aspersions this posting may have cast upon any and all. I find myself once again longing for the "good `ole days"; perhaps I have been in this hobby too long. > My best to all, > Herb > paflyrman > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72298	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Train Auctions

Herb, Was it strictly an "online" auction or was it also an auction with live attendees? On 5/13/2013 3:48 PM, LB wrote: > > This post is about an auction experience I had last week involving > American Flyer trains. It is a little off topic, so if you are > interested only specific AF/S Gauge posts you can pass it by. But if > you occasionally find yourself contemplating the signs of our times, > you may want to read this. > Last week I bid on some American Flyer train items via a local online > auction here in the mid Atlantic region. I won four of the > approximately twenty lots, one of which was a shoe box full of > miscellaneous minor parts. I had a medical appointment resulting in my > arriving at the pickup point about an hour after it opened. > It was raining, crowded, with waiting lines and clogged streets in a > suburban neighborhood setting. So once I got through the check in, I > was given my items, along with the closed shoe box lot of assorted > Flyer items. Having no reason to suspect anything was amiss, (I have > dealt with this auction house for over twenty years) I gathered my > items and left. > Upon arriving home, I discovered that the main two items shown and > advertised in the box lot, a desirable operating car button, and a > third rail pickup unit were missing. They were the primary reasons I > had bid on the lot in the first place. The remainder of the box lot > was of little value to me. What were the odds that by accident or some > other happenstance the two most desirable pieces out of the lot had > been lost or misplaced? Yeah. > I can't believe that the general public, there to retrieve non train > related items from the auction would have reached into that box and > managed to take the best of the lot. I can only conclude that they > were taken during the first hour of pickup by one of the other train > bidders and my fellow train enthusiasts who would have known what to > cherry pick from the lot. > Having had a few days to think about this, I can only say what a sad > statement this is for "America's Greatest Hobby". Did someone really > risk getting caught stealing for less than $20 worth of common train > items? Since most of the items were AF, perhaps that individual is > reading this post. Anyone can. If so, I hope this makes them feel even > smaller than they actually are. > And yes, on the slim chance that my missing items are due to something > other than theft, I apologize for any aspersions this posting may have > cast upon any and all. I find myself once again longing for the "good > `ole days"; perhaps I have been in this hobby too long. > My best to all, > Herb > paflyrman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72299	From: LB	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Train Auction

This was an estate auction, all online, with pickup about 5 days after all lots had closed. Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72300	From: calleytwo	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Train Auctions

Don't know about the US but in a some minor general auctions here in Australia you have to watch carefully and check the box you are bidding on all the way through or things get stolen, or the person concerned takes it out of the particular box and hides it in another less desirable box. I would imagine the same applies up there.  Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 13 May 2013 19:48:18 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Off Topic - Train Auctions   This post is about an auction experience I had last week involving American Flyer trains. It is a little off topic, so if you are interested only specific AF/S Gauge posts you can pass it by. But if you occasionally find yourself contemplating the signs of our times, you may want to read this. Last week I bid on some American Flyer train items via a local online auction here in the mid Atlantic region. I won four of the approximately twenty lots, one of which was a shoe box full of miscellaneous minor parts. I had a medical appointment resulting in my arriving at the pickup point about an hour after it opened. It was raining, crowded, with waiting lines and clogged streets in a suburban neighborhood setting. So once I got through the check in, I was given my items, along with the closed shoe box lot of assorted Flyer items. Having no reason to suspect anything was amiss, (I have dealt with this auction house for over twenty years) I gathered my items and left. Upon arriving home, I discovered that the main two items shown and advertised in the box lot, a desirable operating car button, and a third rail pickup unit were missing. They were the primary reasons I had bid on the lot in the first place. The remainder of the box lot was of little value to me What were the odds that by accident or some other happenstance the two most desirable pieces out of the lot had been lost or misplaced? Yeah. I can't believe that the general public, there to retrieve non train related items from the auction would have reached into that box and managed to take the best of the lot. I can only conclude that they were taken during the first hour of pickup by one of the other train bidders and my fellow train enthusiasts who would have known what to cherry pick from the lot. Having had a few days to think about this, I can only say what a sad statement this is for "America's Greatest Hobby". Did someone really risk getting caught stealing for less than $20 worth of common train items? Since most of the items were AF, perhaps that individual is reading this post. Anyone can. If so, I hope this makes them feel even smaller than they actually are. And yes, on the slim chance that my missing items are due to something other than theft, I apologize for any aspersions this posting may have cast upon any and all. I find myself once again longing for the "good `ole days"; perhaps I have been in this hobby too long. My best to all, Herb paflyrman ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdDhuOG5uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI5NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjg0NzUyMjQ-?act=reply&messageNum=72296 [2] mailto:hblanier@...?subject=Re%3A%20Off%20Topic%20-%20Train%20Auctions [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Off%20Topic%20-%20Train%20Auctions [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaWdpdmZuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjg0NzUyMjQ- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72296;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZTc1MmIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjI5NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjg0NzUyMjQEdHBjSWQDNzIyOTY- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazFldG5lBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzY4NDc1MjI0?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaXRha2toBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzY4NDc1MjI0 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJja2phMmFrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjg0NzUyMjQ- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiaGptaWJrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2ODQ3NTIyNA-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72301	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Train Auction

Herb, I would think the auctioneer has some responsibility here since it was totally an online auction. Did you inform the auctioneer of the problem? As Alistair mentioned, in a "live" auction you really have to "follow" your lots right up to the point of them being auctioned off and also after you've won them. I've seen auction attendees switch things out of lots, and have had to report people to the auctioneer when I've seen them "pocketing" items. Also there's been occasions that somebody has stolen something from a buyre's winning lot. Doesn't say much for human nature, but it is what it is. The "rule" is once the hammer falls you're stuck with it so buyer beware. Now with an online only auction, my opinion is that the auctioneer has a responsibility to maintain the integrity of the lot he has advertised right up to the point when you pick it up. The online auction environment is controlled by the auction house. When there is only "pick up only", the only "live" people involved in an online auction should be the auctioneer and his staff. When the item is shipped, of course you have the shipping staff involved too. You should make the auctioneer aware that there was an issue and you're not happy. I think he needs to make things right by you. Of course his reply will probably be that you should have carefully examined your winning lot(s) before you left the pick up point. Daryl On 5/13/2013 5:30 PM, LB wrote: > > This was an estate auction, all online, with pickup about 5 days after > all lots had closed. > > Herb > paflyrman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72302	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Off Topic-Train Auctions

Yes, this is indeed a sad example of life in America today. When many of us were playing with our American Flyer trains in the fifites, folks left their doors unlocked over night in most areas. However, in this case we're not talking about some young, hyped up burglar stealing random stuff to "fence" to buy drugs, but a specialized crime in a certain well known location. A location attractive to thieves because items of at least some value are being traded. Perhaps even thieves connected to the business. Beyond that, picking two select items out of a box of stuff takes specialized knowledge. You have been victimized by a fellow Flyer enthusiast, or someone who makes money from Flyer entusiasts! Now the story is really sad, like a brother stealing from a brother. When I see this sort of thing, it reminds me of that old FOX TV series "The X-Fles," whose catch phrase was "Trust, No One." Which is a modern way to say "Buyer Beware." Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72303	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Train Auctions

I recall reading a post some time ago, I think on this list, about a person who went to an auction and found the lots to be, in his opinion, inappropriately grouped, so he went about correcting the situation, though he took nothing. The consensus of the group was that he had messed up the auction to the detriment of the people who bid on the lots thinking them to contain what they originally saw in them. I don't think this was an online auction, though, where it should be easier to prevent such occurrences. Unless they put out all the lots to be picked up by the successful bidders, thievery or lot tampering shouldn't be possible. I would think you would need to show identification and then be given your lot. If that is what they did, then this might be an inside job, or maybe the lots were "salted" with desirable goods to make them more saleable. Dale On 5/13/2013 12:48 PM, LB wrote: > > This post is about an auction experience I had last week involving > American Flyer trains. It is a little off topic, so if you are > interested only specific AF/S Gauge posts you can pass it by. But if > you occasionally find yourself contemplating the signs of our times, > you may want to read this. > Last week I bid on some American Flyer train items via a local online > auction here in the mid Atlantic region. I won four of the > approximately twenty lots, one of which was a shoe box full of > miscellaneous minor parts. I had a medical appointment resulting in my > arriving at the pickup point about an hour after it opened. > It was raining, crowded, with waiting lines and clogged streets in a > suburban neighborhood setting. So once I got through the check in, I > was given my items, along with the closed shoe box lot of assorted > Flyer items. Having no reason to suspect anything was amiss, (I have > dealt with this auction house for over twenty years) I gathered my > items and left. > Upon arriving home, I discovered that the main two items shown and > advertised in the box lot, a desirable operating car button, and a > third rail pickup unit were missing. They were the primary reasons I > had bid on the lot in the first place. The remainder of the box lot > was of little value to me. What were the odds that by accident or some > other happenstance the two most desirable pieces out of the lot had > been lost or misplaced? Yeah. > I can't believe that the general public, there to retrieve non train > related items from the auction would have reached into that box and > managed to take the best of the lot. I can only conclude that they > were taken during the first hour of pickup by one of the other train > bidders and my fellow train enthusiasts who would have known what to > cherry pick from the lot. > Having had a few days to think about this, I can only say what a sad > statement this is for "America's Greatest Hobby". Did someone really > risk getting caught stealing for less than $20 worth of common train > items? Since most of the items were AF, perhaps that individual is > reading this post. Anyone can. If so, I hope this makes them feel even > smaller than they actually are. > And yes, on the slim chance that my missing items are due to something > other than theft, I apologize for any aspersions this posting may have > cast upon any and all. I find myself once again longing for the "good > `ole days"; perhaps I have been in this hobby too long. > My best to all, > Herb > paflyrman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72304	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic - Train Auctions

For an on-line auction there should be at least one photo of each lot. Print the photo of the lot you won, print the description and take them with you to pick up the lot. Compare the photo and description with what you're picking up to make sure it is the same item(s). Same for on-line auctions where the lot is shipped to you. Photo the box before opening it to show condition. Photo the items as you open the box and as you take them out of the box. Proving something is missing is more difficult here, but you can compare condition to help build your case against a seller or shipper. No one will protect you except yourself. Unfortunately, you can't trust anyone but yourself these days. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote: > > I recall reading a post some time ago, I think on this list, about a > person who went to an auction and found the lots to be, in his opinion, > inappropriately grouped, so he went about correcting the situation, > though he took nothing. The consensus of the group was that he had > messed up the auction to the detriment of the people who bid on the lots > thinking them to contain what they originally saw in them. I don't > think this was an online auction, though, where it should be easier to > prevent such occurrences. > > Unless they put out all the lots to be picked up by the successful > bidders, thievery or lot tampering shouldn't be possible. I would > think you would need to show identification and then be given your > lot. If that is what they did, then this might be an inside job, or > maybe the lots were "salted" with desirable goods to make them more > saleable. > > Dale > On 5/13/2013 12:48 PM, LB wrote: > > > > This post is about an auction experience I had last week involving > > American Flyer trains. It is a little off topic, so if you are > > interested only specific AF/S Gauge posts you can pass it by. But if > > you occasionally find yourself contemplating the signs of our times, > > you may want to read this. > > Last week I bid on some American Flyer train items via a local online > > auction here in the mid Atlantic region. I won four of the > > approximately twenty lots, one of which was a shoe box full of > > miscellaneous minor parts. I had a medical appointment resulting in my > > arriving at the pickup point about an hour after it opened. > > It was raining, crowded, with waiting lines and clogged streets in a > > suburban neighborhood setting. So once I got through the check in, I > > was given my items, along with the closed shoe box lot of assorted > > Flyer items. Having no reason to suspect anything was amiss, (I have > > dealt with this auction house for over twenty years) I gathered my > > items and left. > > Upon arriving home, I discovered that the main two items shown and > > advertised in the box lot, a desirable operating car button, and a > > third rail pickup unit were missing. They were the primary reasons I > > had bid on the lot in the first place. The remainder of the box lot > > was of little value to me. What were the odds that by accident or some > > other happenstance the two most desirable pieces out of the lot had > > been lost or misplaced? Yeah. > > I can't believe that the general public, there to retrieve non train > > related items from the auction would have reached into that box and > > managed to take the best of the lot. I can only conclude that they > > were taken during the first hour of pickup by one of the other train > > bidders and my fellow train enthusiasts who would have known what to > > cherry pick from the lot. > > Having had a few days to think about this, I can only say what a sad > > statement this is for "America's Greatest Hobby". Did someone really > > risk getting caught stealing for less than $20 worth of common train > > items? Since most of the items were AF, perhaps that individual is > > reading this post. Anyone can. If so, I hope this makes them feel even > > smaller than they actually are. > > And yes, on the slim chance that my missing items are due to something > > other than theft, I apologize for any aspersions this posting may have > > cast upon any and all. I find myself once again longing for the "good > > `ole days"; perhaps I have been in this hobby too long. > > My best to all, > > Herb > > paflyrman > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72305	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/13/2013
Subject: Layout Progress

Hi All, Tracie and I have completed planting crops on the first removable section of the layout. The second removable section is in place and ready for scenery. You can see a short video of the layout progress here: http://tinyurl.com/Layout-051313 Have fun! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72306	From: Martin	Date: 5/14/2013
Subject: Re: Off Topic-Train Auctions

Herb, Having worked as an Auctioneer, Theft is all too common, as well as people digging thru boxes & unknowingly moving items from one box, where they were advertised to a different box. It's not always intentional, but it shows our societies current lack of respect for others. Marty Yonson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72307	From: rapidrail1	Date: 5/14/2013
Subject: Animated Circus Giraffe Car

Hi All, I have kit-bashed a new animated Circus Giraffe car. I took a Lionel 0 gauge giraffe car, cut down the chassis to fit a Gilbert stock car shell, cut a hole in the roof for the giraffe head to come through, and decorated the shell to go with the Gilbert circus train using my custom decals. I also built two activation devices to look like small bridges. For this I bent sheet alum. and cut it in the form of the bridge sides then applied my custom decals to make them look like small girder bridges. Thanks to my partner for installing the Lionel S ga. trucks and drilling the holes to mount the chassis. I have placed a video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU1-cDGp9q0&list=UUvO1YD5xT8lLqFB1u3F9KfA&index=1 I hope this address works. Enjoy. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72308	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/14/2013
Subject: Re: Animated Circus Giraffe Car

Wayne, That's a nice conversion. I have the animated Lionel outlaw - sheriff box car that I plan to convert one day. I hope it turns out as nice as yours. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <beachy3929@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have kit-bashed a new animated Circus Giraffe car. I took a Lionel 0 gauge giraffe car, cut down the chassis to fit a Gilbert stock car shell, cut a hole in the roof for the giraffe head to come through, and decorated the shell to go with the Gilbert circus train using my custom decals. I also built two activation devices to look like small bridges. For this I bent sheet alum. and cut it in the form of the bridge sides then applied my custom decals to make them look like small girder bridges. Thanks to my partner for installing the Lionel S ga. trucks and drilling the holes to mount the chassis. > > I have placed a video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU1-cDGp9q0&list=UUvO1YD5xT8lLqFB1u3F9KfA&index=1 > > I hope this address works. Enjoy. > > Wayne >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72309	From: Brady	Date: 5/14/2013
Subject: Re: Animated Circus Giraffe Car

> I have placed a video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU1-cDGp9q0&list=UUvO1YD5xT8lLqFB1u3F9KfA&index=1 > > I hope this address works. Enjoy. > > Wayne > Very nice work Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72310	From: LB	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Re Off-Topic Train Auctions

I thank the many list members who responded to my post concerning my recent train auction loss. Most all of the comments were right on the mark, and of course a couple just didn't get it. While I acknowledge that theft has been going on at train shows for decades ( I have personal experience there also) they usually involved hundreds and hundreds of attendees and the loss of desirable expensive items under show conditions. Now, it seems, in a closed setting with about nine AF enthusiasts not even a few common items are safe. How sad. Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72311	From: Bill Clark	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: AF Y-3 upgrade to run on DC and DCC

The American Flyer Y-3 steam locomotive is in my opinion a beautiful locomotive! It is a large loco, yet fits better on many layouts than either the Big Boy or Challenger that AF did in the last few years. My only issue with the Y-3 was that I run DCC, and it is a major project to remove all the included electronics to convert to a DCC decoder. Also, the fact that it has two motors adds complications to get BEMF to work. The Y-3 control system hardware is compatible with both DC and DCC, (like the SD70), but the software to run DCC was not done in time to make it into production. Also, the standard software requires very "clean" DC to operate in DC mode. Many modern DC power supplies provide enough "pulsing" in the voltage to confuse the electronics. Jon Zahornacky of Lionel has provided Fred Rouse and myself with upgraded software which adds DCC compatibility to the Y-3. He also has modified the DC operation so that it will run on "less pure" DC. I've tested it using an old AF 30B transformer with a bridge rectifier on it, and it runs perfectly. Fred is prepared to install the upgraded software into locos on which he is doing the scale upgrade. I can do the upgrade for folks who only want the software upgrade. The cost of the software upgrade from either of us is $75. I've posted a video of the Y-3 that I upgraded for Tom Stoltz on YouTube. It shows the upgraded Y-3 running with 3 different power sources: DC, TMCC, and DCC. It's worth watching all 3, takes about 13 minutes. Not a great video (I need a second person to run the loco while I video), but I think it will show you how it runs. I never touched the loco, but just changed the power source from DC to TMCC to DCC. In each case the loco senses the power and reacts accordingly. I think Jon did a great job with the software, and we owe him a major Thank You! http://youtu.be/en29Sx9Glog Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72312	From: David	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Drive Wheel Assembly Tool Return (Advertisement)

By client request we have returned our AF steam engine drive wheel assembly tool to our web site. This two (2) part tool allows the operator to assemble the three (3) part steam engine drive wheel (1946 - 1960) with ease and percision every time. No muss - no fuss. This tool may be located bottom of the page at our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html> Item #DWCT51413-1 (includes instructions) LBR Enterprises,llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72313	From: nicholas	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: 755 mystic station parts needed

Hello folks My name is Nick, and I need the record & maybe some parts for a 755 mystic station. does anyone have a g ood website for to go on or I know Judy on here sells train parts. Does anyone have Judy's email address? Nick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72314	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Re: 755 mystic station parts needed

Try Doug Peck at Portlines Hobby, Mike In a message dated 5/15/2013 10:10:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, njma41@... writes: Hello folks My name is Nick, and I need the record & maybe some parts for a 755 mystic station. does anyone have a g ood website for to go on or I know Judy on here sells train parts. Does anyone have Judy's email address? Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72315	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Re: GP-7

One of the ends of my gp-7 fell off, fat fingers kept bending the darn thing working on it, suggestions on repair and keep from bending the darn things tks James Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72316	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Re: 755 mystic station parts needed

Hi Nick Try Doug Peck at portliness or Tom Seccia at triple s supply between both of them they may have the parts you need I know tom has a repair book that dose show the 755 station exploded view If you can e mail me a list of parts I can get the numbers for you thanks stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:13 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 755 mystic station parts needed Try Doug Peck at Portlines Hobby, Mike In a message dated 5/15/2013 10:10:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, njma41@... <mailto:njma41%40yahoo.com> writes: Hello folks My name is Nick, and I need the record & maybe some parts for a 755 mystic station. does anyone have a g ood website for to go on or I know Judy on here sells train parts. Does anyone have Judy's email address? Nick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72317	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Re: GP-7

Hi James, � If the metal stamped end rail is bent, remove it from the casting. Some are held by screws and some are held by drive pins.  After removing the end rail, put it in a vise and straighten it.  That way you will make a even bend on the entire rail.  Replacement rails are available if you can't fix it. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GP-7   One of the ends of my gp-7 fell off, fat fingers kept bending the darn thing working on it, suggestions on repair and keep from bending the darn things tks James Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72318	From: none	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: S-Helper-Service catalogs

Hi all, I've been collecting SHS catalogs and can't locate one for 2006. Did SHS make a 2006 catalog and if so where can I find one? I could also use any pre-1997 or post-2009. Thanks for any help. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72319	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 5/15/2013
Subject: Parts

Memory serves me that several years ago one or more "companies" or people supplied detail castings, parts, driver mechanisms, tender kits, etc. for S-gauge. In looking around I can find some detail castings. But I can't seem to locate driver mechanisms or tender wrapper kits. Any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72320	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Re: Parts

Hi Todd Metcalf is producing some s parts like the coal pushers for the 293 he has a list of items you should e mail him to see what he is making www.trainsmore.com <http://www.trainsmore.com> thanks stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of A. E. Johnson Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:18 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Parts Memory serves me that several years ago one or more "companies" or people supplied detail castings, parts, driver mechanisms, tender kits, etc. for S-gauge. In looking around I can find some detail castings. But I can't seem to locate driver mechanisms or tender wrapper kits. Any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72321	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper-Service catalogs

Mark, There was one year in there that SHS did not produce a catalog. I will check my file and post. Don Thompson still monitors this list, I think, and he will know for sure. Roy Inman From: none <banjoflyer1952@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 01:33:25 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper-Service catalogs Hi all, I've been collecting SHS catalogs and can't locate one for 2006. Did SHS make a 2006 catalog and if so where can I find one? I could also use any pre-1997 or post-2009. Thanks for any help. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72322	From: hugoroundhouse	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Re: A.F. O Gauge Track

Mike- I've got some Flyer "O" gauge track, or at least I bought it as Flyer. I didn't see any identifying marks on it. I don't have a need for it and you're welcome to it. You live in Boulder, don't you? I live next door in Louisville. Contact me at jimensign50@... and we can work out a place for you to pick it up. Jim Ensign ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Leahy" <gmichael.leahy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 7:06:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O Gauge Track I am looking to buy a half dozen clean American Flyer O Gauge Straight Track. If you have these for sale please contact me with price & shipping at: gmichael.leahy@... Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72323	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: AF/Gilbert Gon BODIES?

Anyone out there have any scrap or spare (defective) AF/Gilbert Gondola BODIES (such as the one in the attached images) you would be willing to sell? I do not need the couplers or the trucks... just the bodies. As long as the bodies are in good shape, I'm interested. The attached images show the beginnings of conversion work I'm doing to improve the model to a prototypical appearance. On this guinea-pig, the steps, underframe and brake detail have been (roughly) removed (finish-sanding still needs to be done. (If attachments do not show, contact me direct for images) These will become ACL class K-9 and K-10 cars. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72324	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Wanted: SHS F7 AC/DC Sound Board

In working order with instruction sheet(s). Please contact me off-line. Al Baker Portland 503-645-9079 albaker33@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72325	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics

The good news is that MTH has re-released the SHS F-3 locos!!! But, as usual, there's a dark side - they (nearsightedly) only offer them WITH their Protosound and DCC systems. I, for one, have absolutely no use whatsoever for Protosound or their choice of DCC... meaning I have to pay heaps of extra money for something I have no use for to get what I want. I have no earthly idea why they did not offer these in a DCC-Ready version (at an obviously cheaper price), but I guess that's what they decided we all needed (as if I need a manufacturer telling me what I need). (DCC/sound READY as opposed to DCC/sound EQUIPPED) HUMBUG!!! So, they can KEEP their locos... ... or... ... if someone out there would be interested in buying two sets of Protosound and DCC components were I to buy these locos and rip this junk out of them... that might work for me. According to one of their contact personnel, their ProtoSound 2 upgrade kits retail for $180.00, so I'm assuming the Protosound 3 systems go for more... quesstimated around $200. However, I would only be asking !$100 each If I were to do this. Any takers out there? John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72326	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Re: AF/Gilbert Gon BODIES?

Sorry, all... I was not aware that this group does not allow attachments to postings. I guess you'll all have to use your imaginations... or just contact me direct and ask for the images. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72327	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/16/2013
Subject: Re: AF/Gilbert Gon BODIES?

Looking for some of the old Perma-Bilt stamped gondola ends to use on my AF/Gilbert gondolas which I am converting to represent ACL's class K-9 and K-10 gondolas. Anyone know where to find these? Or... maybe you know of a better product that has replaced these...? Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72328	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/17/2013
Subject: Re: AF/Gilbert Gon BODIES?

Hi John: Somewhere stored away I have 3 metal gondola bodies only. Bought a 'lot' that had these included - don't know who made them, but if you would like them, let me know. I will go through umpteen boxes and see if I can find them before my next trip to US (June/July) and bring them with me and send them to you. I think they were Rex, or something like that???? They do weigh a ton; however, I don't think they were made from depleted U shell casings :-) ! Hope you are well and having fun in the approaching spring/summer. regards, Rance On 5/17/2013 02:30, John Degnan wrote: > > Sorry, all... I was not aware that this group does not allow > attachments to postings. > > I guess you'll all have to use your imaginations... or just contact me > direct and ask for the images. > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net> > Scaler187@... <mailto:Scaler187%40comcast.net> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72329	From: lionely6b	Date: 5/17/2013
Subject: Re: MTH electronics

John, If the new PS-3 electronics are similar to what has been done for O and HO gauge, these engines should run nicely in conventional. So, it might be fun to own and operate one. You might find that you like cruise control, which will function in conventional mode. Like it or not, MTH and Lionel are going to be doing their all-new engines with electronics that are "universal". For MTH one will be able run AC, DC, DCC, or DCS. For Lionel one can run (starting with the SD70's) AC, DC, DCC, TMCC, or Legacy. The electronics sense the environment the loco is in and responds accordingly. They are trying to satisfy pretty near all of their customers with one product configuration. Given the production numbers in S (rather low) and the various control systems in the hobby (several), this trend makes some sense. Bob Bubeck The good news is that MTH has re-released the SHS F-3 locos!!! But, as usual, there's a dark side - they (nearsightedly) only offer them WITH their Protosound and DCC systems. I, for one, have absolutely no use whatsoever for Protosound or their choice of DCC... The good news is that MTH has re-released the SHS F-3 locos!!! But, as usual, there's a dark side - they (nearsightedly) only offer them WITH their Protosound and DCC systems. I, for one, have absolutely no use whatsoever for Protosound or their choice of DCC... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72330	From: John	Date: 5/17/2013
Subject: Re: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics

John, I see that you post here a lot and are very knowledgeable. I'm still learning, so bear with me. I have been considering buying the new MTH F3 diesel and thought I could buy their diesel and operate it, right out of the box, on a regular DCC system that operates my existing DCC equipped engines from SHS. But your post may be contradicting that, I'm not clear. Are you saying that: 1. you wish MTH did not always include their proprietary decoder (Protosound) and sold a unit at a lower cost, that was DCC ready so that you could install exactly what you wanted and not waste money on their technology, preferring to choose it yourself. Put another way, you wanted a cheaper DCC READY rather than the more expensive DCS EQUIPPED engine or are you saying, 2. the MTH F3 diesel will not operate out of the box on a standard DCC system but you must either buy and use their DCS system or install additional decoder I'm hoping your post means 1 and not 2, but if it is 2 can you be more specific about where you found this information, as I've thought, both from emails that I got back from MTH and questions and answers at York, that their F3 would run right out of the box on a regular DCC system. For what it's worth, I also thought I learned that their DCS system would operate only their Protosound equpped engines, not standard (e.g. SHS) DCC equpped engines So is your second point about offering to sell the MTH stuff that you would take out intended for those who might buy the DCS control system and wanted to try to install the MTH stuff into another engine so it would run with the MTH command system - otherwise, I'm not clear why someone would want to buy it. Thanks, John Zurad --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > The good news is that MTH has re-released the SHS F-3 locos!!! But, as usual, there's a dark side - they (nearsightedly) only offer them WITH their Protosound and DCC systems. I, for one, have absolutely no use whatsoever for Protosound or their choice of DCC... meaning I have to pay heaps of extra money for something I have no use for to get what I want. I have no earthly idea why they did not offer these in a DCC-Ready version (at an obviously cheaper price), but I guess that's what they decided we all needed (as if I need a manufacturer telling me what I need). (DCC/sound READY as opposed to DCC/sound EQUIPPED) > > HUMBUG!!! > > So, they can KEEP their locos... ... or... ... if someone out there would be interested in buying two sets of Protosound and DCC components were I to buy these locos and rip this junk out of them... that might work for me. According to one of their contact personnel, their ProtoSound 2 upgrade kits retail for $180.00, so I'm assuming the Protosound 3 systems go for more... quesstimated around $200. However, I would only be asking !$100 each If I were to do this. > > Any takers out there? > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > Scaler187@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72331	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/17/2013
Subject: Marker Lights

I added a couple of marker lights from Port Lines, seems to improve the tenders appearance.. http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/tendermarkerlights.JPG Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72332	From: alan smith	Date: 5/17/2013
Subject: Re: Marker Lights

They are really cool when the markers are L.E.D. and you add a reverse light. It will turn heads. Cheers, Alan On May 17, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Brady Burdge wrote: > I added a couple of marker lights from Port Lines, seems to improve > the tenders appearance.. > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/tendermarkerlights.JPG > > Brady > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72333	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: Re: Marker Lights

From: Alan Lambert � Fort Worth, Texas Alan, When you have holes already there for them it adds something that was missing. Backup light would be nice. � Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: alan smith <alansmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Marker Lights   They are really cool when the markers are L.E.D. and you add a reverse light. It will turn heads. Cheers, Alan On May 17, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Brady Burdge wrote: > I added a couple of marker lights from Port Lines, seems to improve > the tenders appearance.. > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/tendermarkerlights.JPG > > Brady > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72334	From: alan smith	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: Re: Marker Lights

Alan Yes -- indeed. I am going to put the LED markers in those same locations plus add the rear light as well in my old custom 290 plastic tender shell. I have a custom 303 slope back and a 312AC with these features. A F forever is the phrase of the day. Cheers, Alan On May 17, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Alan, > > When you have holes already there for them it adds something that > was missing. Backup light would be nice. > Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: alan smith <alansmith@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:28 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Marker Lights > > > � > They are really cool when the markers are L.E.D. and you add a > reverse light. It will turn heads. > > Cheers, > > Alan > > On May 17, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Brady Burdge wrote: > > > I added a couple of marker lights from Port Lines, seems to improve > > the tenders appearance.. > > > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/tendermarkerlights.JPG > > > > Brady > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72335	From: rick gough	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: Re: Marker Lights

What LED markers are you going to use? Would be great if the Lionel scale ones were available. They look soooo good. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: alan smith <alansmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Marker Lights ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=14172945461&tc_rand=418345154&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=IS5q5lFwst3AirXptdCfXLxjknJ0ch0xPI5zCnXAUco7G5jEIdF5ASFv%2Br41utDn&key=jbXKq%2FETf1hlcQJEdnmdhwIJEAw02tTlhTnIlhgMq2Q%3D   Alan Yes -- indeed.   I am going to put the LED markers in those same locations plus add  the rear light as well in my old custom 290 plastic tender shell.  I  have a custom 303 slope back and a 312AC with these features.   A F forever is the phrase of the day. Cheers, Alan On May 17, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > From: Alan Lambert >  Fort Worth, Texas > > Alan, > > When you have holes already there for them it adds something that  > was missing. Backup light would be nice. >  Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: alan smith <alansmith@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:28 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Marker Lights > > > Â > They are really cool when the markers are L.E.D. and you add a > reverse light. It will turn heads. > > Cheers, > > Alan > > On May 17, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Brady Burdge wrote: > > > I added a couple of marker lights from Port Lines, seems to improve > > the tenders appearance.. > > > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/tendermarkerlights.JPG > > > > Brady > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo!Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72336	From: David	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: CJ Shim Kit (Advertisement)

The shim kit for installing the 1/2" standard flyer open frame motor in the Casey Jones engines is now in work and should be ready in a week or so. More info. as it becomes avaliable. LBR Enterprises

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72337	From: alansherryb	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: Re: NASG Elections

Hello Friends, Call me thick headed or blind...I've been called both...but I have been unable to find when the NASG election ballots are actually due. I just received my Dispatch with the ballot and some candidate information, but if a return envelope with the "return by" date on it was included in the mailing, I did not get one. If not, I cannot find in the mailing or on the website the date by which ballots must be returned. I don't mind using my own envelope and postage, I just don't want to do so if I already have missed the date. I know someone is going to point me to the obvious location of this information in the magazine, on the website, on the ballot and/or in a prior S-Trains message, so go ahead and light up those flaming arrows. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...> wrote: > > Group, > > As you may or may not know, the new issue of the NASG Dispatch is about > to be mailed out and it contains this year's NASG membership election > form. I believe all positions are uncontested, except for the one for > the NASG President, which has both Bill Winans and Will Holt running. > > I just wanted to take this opportunity to let you all know my experience > in working with Bill Winans over this past year and half in trying to > revitalize the NASG web site. Bill provided the impetus to get the site > redesigned. Although I did most of the aligning of the bits and bytes on > the new site, I can tell you for sure that if it wasn't for Bill, the > site would not be where it is today. > > As we are scattered all over the country (and world), most of our > communications have to be done via e-mail. One of the things I really > enjoy about working with Bill is that he responds to my e-mails quickly, > typically within the same day, sometimes within an hour or two. If he > didn't know the answer to a question, he knew who to ask. He went out of > his way to get me the content for the site that I didn't have access to > (e.g. photos and product history information). > > Bill has also been, and continues to be, the source of new ideas for the > web site. There are a handful still on my "to-do list" that are going to > continue to expand the usefulness of the web site. > > Bill is also the manager of the "nasgmembers" Yahoo Group, although > Michael Greene and I are also part of the "admin" group, Bill does all > the "leg work". > > I think the energy and dedication that Bill has demonstrated to me so > far would be a great boost for the NASG as a whole. > > Disclaimer: Bill did not ask me to send this e-mail, nor did he > compensate me for it :-) ; I just wanted to share with you my experience. > > Please take a few minutes to vote; in past elections people have only > won by a couple of votes, so your vote *does* count. > > For a preview of what is up for election, please visit the About page on > the NASG web site: > > http://www.nasg.org/About/index.htm#leadership > > While there, note that we are looking for an NASG member to take over > the NASG Secretary position from Vic. > > - Peter. > > -- > > Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) > Houston, Texas > > My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed > <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) > Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> > Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> > N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> > -- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72338	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: Re: NASG Elections

Hi Alan, I don't know what the cut-off date is. I just mailed mine this week. If in doubt, contact Jamie Bothwell, who is the elections chairman: election@... - Peter. On 05/18/2013 4:47 pm, alansherryb wrote: > > Hello Friends, > > Call me thick headed or blind...I've been called both...but I have been unable to find when the NASG election ballots are actually due. > > I just received my Dispatch with the ballot and some candidate information, but if a return envelope with the "return by" date on it was included in the mailing, I did not get one. If not, I cannot find in the mailing or on the website the date by which ballots must be returned. I don't mind using my own envelope and postage, I just don't want to do so if I already have missed the date. > > I know someone is going to point me to the obvious location of this information in the magazine, on the website, on the ballot and/or in a prior S-Trains message, so go ahead and light up those flaming arrows. > > Cheers! > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72339	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/18/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/19/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 19, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72340	From: David	Date: 5/19/2013
Subject: Advertise Your "S" Product (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72341	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/19/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/19/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 19, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72342	From: rudypenne	Date: 5/19/2013
Subject: Re: AF/Gilbert Gon BODIES?

Hi John, How many do you need & how much are you looking to pay? I'd keep the couplers & trucks, Mike In a message dated 5/16/2013 4:26:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Scaler164@... writes: Anyone out there have any scrap or spare (defective) AF/Gilbert Gondola BODIES (such as the one in the attached images) you would be willing to sell? I do not need the couplers or the trucks... just the bodies. As long as the bodies are in good shape, I'm interested. The attached images show the beginnings of conversion work I'm doing to improve the model to a prototypical appearance. On this guinea-pig, the steps, underframe and brake detail have been (roughly) removed (finish-sanding still needs to be done. (If attachments do not show, contact me direct for images) These will become ACL class K-9 and K-10 cars. John Degnan _Scaler164@..._ (mailto:Scaler164@...) _Scaler187@..._ (mailto:Scaler187@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72343	From: bobgarm	Date: 5/19/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

Any idea how that could happen while the 343 sat on the shelf? Seems less likely, but then you guys are the experts -- and so maybe they just slipped the last time it ran successfully. If it's that I do have the wheel puller. Thanks for the input. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Sure sounds like a wheel(s) out of quarter to me.... > Steve > SnS Trains > > > In a message dated 5/3/2013 3:26:56 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > p3garm@... writes: > > > > > Turned by hand all the way around both ways. And yes, I had disassembled it > as you did and put it back together. The linkages do not appear to be > binding. > > I guess I need to take it apart and look at the smoke unit piston and it's > gear as another possible binding point. Back to the testing / drawing > board. > > Bob > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@> wrote: > > > > Bob, > > > > Can you turn the wheels a full revolution by turning the armature by > hand? > > > > The reason I ask is that I have a 342 that ran OK until I diassembled > everything, including siderods, for cleaning. Upon reassembly the motor would > turn and lock as you describe. The issue was the front hole in the right > siderod was worn just enough that it would not push the front wheel over the > top. Instead it would lock. > > > > The solution for me was to use a hammer and drift to close the rear of > the front hole up maybe 1/2 mm. I was hoping that would get me through until > replacement siderods were ordered. Well, that was 3 years and a lot of > running hours ago and I have not put the replacement siderods on yet. (They > are not embossed like the originals) > > > > It's worth a look. If you can turn it by hand then you can leave the > hammer in the toolbox. > > > > Have fun! > > > > Tim Benner > > Dayton, Ohio > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > "bobgarm" <p3garm@> wrote: > > > > > > I have a 343 (RIB KC) that used to run fairly well, but which now > hangs up in both directions -- that is the reverse unit works and the armature > turns 5 degrees or so and locks. I was able to "assist" it around my layout > for a couple of minutes and then it worked as long as it was warm > (powered). I then powered down, let it return to ambient, and the hang up occurred > again. It's not a plastic tire problem -- fixed that a while ago. I'm > thinking the brushes are so worn that I have a contact / binding issue. Tom > Barker, what do you think? > > > > > > Bob (former Rochesterian) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72344	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/19/2013
Subject: Fwd: [Gilberthotrains] Maraldene is on the market!

I thought some of you might be interested in this message recently posted on the Gilberthotrains group, where the discussion quite often turns to Gilbert history. The link has some excellent photos of the estate, both inside and out. I can just picture photo number 22, with A.C.'s stuffed game heads on the walls. Dale Smith -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Gilberthotrains] Maraldene is on the market! Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 17:56:34 -0000 From: jsangiovanni@... <jsangiovanni@...> Reply-To: Gilberthotrains@yahoogroups.com To: Gilberthotrains@yahoogroups.com Hi all you A.C. Gilbert fans. The former home of A.C. Gilbert is for sale. For those who've never seen it before, now is your chance to look at all Her glory. Here is a link to the listing with a large group of images in and around the grounds. My wife, Jeanne, found it in this mornings paper and just showed it to me. Enjoy. Dominic http://www.williampitt.com/eng/sales/north-haven-ct-usa/filter-webid-m9140668 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72345	From: snstrains	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

If the axle hole in the wheel has worn the wheel can slip on the axle and lose quarter. On the other hand how would anything quit working while setting on the shelf? Maybe the smoke unit from drying and hardening of the wick, but what else? Loss of quartering is just a possibility. No one can properly diagnose your exact problem without looking at it. Steve In a message dated 5/19/2013 6:58:36 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, p3garm@... writes: Any idea how that could happen while the 343 sat on the shelf? Seems less likely, but then you guys are the experts -- and so maybe they just slipped the last time it ran successfully. If it's that I do have the wheel puller. Thanks for the input. Bob --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , boss31@... wrote: > > Sure sounds like a wheel(s) out of quarter to me.... > Steve > SnS Trains > > > In a message dated 5/3/2013 3:26:56 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > p3garm@... writes: > > > > > Turned by hand all the way around both ways. And yes, I had disassembled it > as you did and put it back together. The linkages do not appear to be > binding. > > I guess I need to take it apart and look at the smoke unit piston and it's > gear as another possible binding point. Back to the testing / drawing > board. > > Bob > > --- In __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) , > "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@> wrote: > > > > Bob, > > > > Can you turn the wheels a full revolution by turning the armature by > hand? > > > > The reason I ask is that I have a 342 that ran OK until I diassembled > everything, including siderods, for cleaning. Upon reassembly the motor would > turn and lock as you describe. The issue was the front hole in the right > siderod was worn just enough that it would not push the front wheel over the > top. Instead it would lock. > > > > The solution for me was to use a hammer and drift to close the rear of > the front hole up maybe 1/2 mm. I was hoping that would get me through until > replacement siderods were ordered. Well, that was 3 years and a lot of > running hours ago and I have not put the replacement siderods on yet. (They > are not embossed like the originals) > > > > It's worth a look. If you can turn it by hand then you can leave the > hammer in the toolbox. > > > > Have fun! > > > > Tim Benner > > Dayton, Ohio > > > > --- In __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) , > "bobgarm" <p3garm@> wrote: > > > > > > I have a 343 (RIB KC) that used to run fairly well, but which now > hangs up in both directions -- that is the reverse unit works and the armature > turns 5 degrees or so and locks. I was able to "assist" it around my layout > for a couple of minutes and then it worked as long as it was warm > (powered). I then powered down, let it return to ambient, and the hang up occurred > again. It's not a plastic tire problem -- fixed that a while ago. I'm > thinking the brushes are so worn that I have a contact / binding issue. Tom > Barker, what do you think? > > > > > > Bob (former Rochesterian) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72346	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/19/2013, 5:00 pm

I have some gondola bodies as well- a bit rough, but there are some good panels. I e-mailed the original poster with no response. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72347	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics

Just for your reference, the Engines will be ready to operate right out of the box. You can operate the models right out of the box with your own DCC System, regular conventional transformer or with our DCS System. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: John <vu68@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, May 17, 2013 12:08 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics John, I see that you post here a lot and are very knowledgeable. I'm still learning, so bear with me. I have been considering buying the new MTH F3 diesel and thought I could buy their diesel and operate it, right out of the box, on a regular DCC system that operates my existing DCC equipped engines from SHS. But your post may be contradicting that, I'm not clear. Are you saying that: 1. you wish MTH did not always include their proprietary decoder (Protosound) and sold a unit at a lower cost, that was DCC ready so that you could install exactly what you wanted and not waste money on their technology, preferring to choose it yourself. Put another way, you wanted a cheaper DCC READY rather than the more expensive DCS EQUIPPED engine or are you saying, 2. the MTH F3 diesel will not operate out of the box on a standard DCC system but you must either buy and use their DCS system or install additional decoder I'm hoping your post means 1 and not 2, but if it is 2 can you be more specific about where you found this information, as I've thought, both from emails that I got back from MTH and questions and answers at York, that their F3 would run right out of the box on a regular DCC system. For what it's worth, I also thought I learned that their DCS system would operate only their Protosound equpped engines, not standard (e.g. SHS) DCC equpped engines So is your second point about offering to sell the MTH stuff that you would take out intended for those who might buy the DCS control system and wanted to try to install the MTH stuff into another engine so it would run with the MTH command system - otherwise, I'm not clear why someone would want to buy it. Thanks, John Zurad --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > The good news is that MTH has re-released the SHS F-3 locos!!! But, as usual, there's a dark side - they (nearsightedly) only offer them WITH their Protosound and DCC systems. I, for one, have absolutely no use whatsoever for Protosound or their choice of DCC... meaning I have to pay heaps of extra money for something I have no use for to get what I want. I have no earthly idea why they did not offer these in a DCC-Ready version (at an obviously cheaper price), but I guess that's what they decided we all needed (as if I need a manufacturer telling me what I need). (DCC/sound READY as opposed to DCC/sound EQUIPPED) > > HUMBUG!!! > > So, they can KEEP their locos... ... or... ... if someone out there would be interested in buying two sets of Protosound and DCC components were I to buy these locos and rip this junk out of them... that might work for me. According to one of their contact personnel, their ProtoSound 2 upgrade kits retail for $180.00, so I'm assuming the Protosound 3 systems go for more... quesstimated around $200. However, I would only be asking !$100 each If I were to do this. > > Any takers out there? > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > Scaler187@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72348	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics

Thanks Harwood. Sounds versatile. If I understand correctly, MTH S Gauge engines will come RTR four ways - - AC, DC, DCC, and DCS. Correct? I noticed your reference to "our DCS", are you working for MTH? Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > > Just for your reference, the Engines will be ready to operate right out of the box. You can operate the models right out of the box with your own DCC System, regular conventional transformer or with our DCS System. > > Harwood

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72349	From: David	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Brass S Scale cars for sale

Hi S Gaugers, I just updated the Imlay Train Station with some new listings of brass imported cars. Check them out at http://www.imlaytrains.com/index.html. Thanks, Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72350	From: Rich	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: 343 2-8-0 operating problem

In physics, we'd refer to this as another example of "the natural perversity of inanimate objects" (or NPIO if you are so inclined) -- its another corollary to the well-known Law of Murphy ... -Rich (not that this helps much diagnosing your problem...) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > If the axle hole in the wheel has worn the wheel can slip on the axle and > lose quarter. > On the other hand how would anything quit working while setting on the > shelf? Maybe the smoke unit from drying and hardening of the wick, but what > else? Loss of quartering is just a possibility. No one can properly diagnose > your exact problem without looking at it. > Steve > > > In a message dated 5/19/2013 6:58:36 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > p3garm@... writes: > > > > > Any idea how that could happen while the 343 sat on the shelf? Seems less > likely, but then you guys are the experts -- and so maybe they just slipped > the last time it ran successfully. > > If it's that I do have the wheel puller. > > Thanks for the input. > > Bob > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > boss31@ wrote: > > > > Sure sounds like a wheel(s) out of quarter to me.... > > Steve > > SnS Trains > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2013 3:26:56 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > p3garm@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Turned by hand all the way around both ways. And yes, I had disassembled > it > > as you did and put it back together. The linkages do not appear to be > > binding. > > > > I guess I need to take it apart and look at the smoke unit piston and > it's > > gear as another possible binding point. Back to the testing / drawing > > board. > > > > Bob > > > > --- In __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ > (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) , > > "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@> wrote: > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > Can you turn the wheels a full revolution by turning the armature by > > hand? > > > > > > The reason I ask is that I have a 342 that ran OK until I diassembled > > everything, including siderods, for cleaning. Upon reassembly the motor > would > > turn and lock as you describe. The issue was the front hole in the right > > > siderod was worn just enough that it would not push the front wheel over > the > > top. Instead it would lock. > > > > > > The solution for me was to use a hammer and drift to close the rear of > > the front hole up maybe 1/2 mm. I was hoping that would get me through > until > > replacement siderods were ordered. Well, that was 3 years and a lot of > > running hours ago and I have not put the replacement siderods on yet. > (They > > are not embossed like the originals) > > > > > > It's worth a look. If you can turn it by hand then you can leave the > > hammer in the toolbox. > > > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > Tim Benner > > > Dayton, Ohio > > > > > > --- In __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) , > > "bobgarm" <p3garm@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a 343 (RIB KC) that used to run fairly well, but which now > > hangs up in both directions -- that is the reverse unit works and the > armature > > turns 5 degrees or so and locks. I was able to "assist" it around my > layout > > for a couple of minutes and then it worked as long as it was warm > > (powered). I then powered down, let it return to ambient, and the hang > up occurred > > again. It's not a plastic tire problem -- fixed that a while ago. I'm > > thinking the brushes are so worn that I have a contact / binding issue. > Tom > > Barker, what do you think? > > > > > > > > Bob (former Rochesterian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72351	From: Roger Huber	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: Brass S Scale cars for sale

Hey, Dave.............it won't open. Roger Huber   Hi S Gaugers, I just updated the Imlay Train Station with some new listings of brass imported cars. Check them out at http://www.imlaytrains.com/index.html. Thanks, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72352	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: Brass S Scale cars for sale

Roger, Past the link into your browser and remove the period at the end. Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Huber To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brass S Scale cars for sale Hey, Dave.............it won't open. Roger Huber Hi S Gaugers, I just updated the Imlay Train Station with some new listings of brass imported cars. Check them out at http://www.imlaytrains.com/index.html. Thanks, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72353	From: Roger Huber	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: Brass S Scale cars for sale

Thanks! That works. Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works --- On Mon, 5/20/13, Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote: From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brass S Scale cars for sale To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 11:13 PM   Roger, Past the link into your browser and remove the period at the end. Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Huber To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brass S Scale cars for sale Hey, Dave.............it won't open. Roger Huber Hi S Gaugers, I just updated the Imlay Train Station with some new listings of brass imported cars. Check them out at http://www.imlaytrains.com/index.html. Thanks, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72354	From: tiga34@att.net	Date: 5/20/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Gilberthotrains] Maraldene is on the market!

Would have liked to see the basement/cellar. Would need a train room ! Art Ferguson --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote: > > I thought some of you might be interested in this message recently > posted on the Gilberthotrains group, where the discussion quite often > turns to Gilbert history. The link has some excellent photos of the > estate, both inside and out. I can just picture photo number 22, with > A.C.'s stuffed game heads on the walls. > > Dale Smith > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Gilberthotrains] Maraldene is on the market! > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 17:56:34 -0000 > From: jsangiovanni@... <jsangiovanni@...> > Reply-To: Gilberthotrains@yahoogroups.com > To: Gilberthotrains@yahoogroups.com > > > > Hi all you A.C. Gilbert fans. The former home of A.C. Gilbert is for > sale. For those who've never seen it before, now is your chance to look > at all Her glory. Here is a link to the listing with a large group of > images in and around the grounds. My wife, Jeanne, found it in this > mornings paper and just showed it to me. Enjoy. > Dominic > > http://www.williampitt.com/eng/sales/north-haven-ct-usa/filter-webid-m9140668 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72355	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: MTH

We are pleased to announce that we have been approved as an "official" MTH dealership, and we are already accepting advance orders on items from the 2013 MTH "S" catalog. The biggest difference between SHS and MTH, which we are all going to need to get used to, is that SHS always kept stock on the shelf until sold out, so we could re-order items over time. With MTH, that situation may change. It may be more like Lionel, in that pre-ordering is important, and availability may be quite limited later. Consider this possibility, especially with track products! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72356	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: Bibliography

Has there ever been a bibliography prepared of American Flyer advertising that was done back in the 30's, 40's and 50's in national media like Life magazine, Look magazine, the Saturday Evening Post, etc? I have one or two that I have stumbled across and am still searching for at least one more that I am aware of, but I am confident there is quite a bit more out there. Thanks. Ben Colley Hallsville, MO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72357	From: workinalure	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH

You remain the "Leader of the Pack". Congrats! Mark B. Preman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > We are pleased to announce that we have been approved as an "official" > MTH dealership, and we are already accepting advance orders on items > from the 2013 MTH "S" catalog. The biggest difference between SHS and > MTH, which we are all going to need to get used to, is that SHS always > kept stock on the shelf until sold out, so we could re-order items over > time. With MTH, that situation may change. It may be more like Lionel, > in that pre-ordering is important, and availability may be quite limited > later. Consider this possibility, especially with track products! > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com > Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM > (EST) only. > 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) > 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72358	From: John	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: Re: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics

Harwood, thanks that's what I thought, but the wasn't totally sure once I read the other post. John Zurad --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > > Just for your reference, the Engines will be ready to operate right out of the box. You can operate the models right out of the box with your own DCC System, regular conventional transformer or with our DCS System. > > Harwood > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John <vu68@...> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Fri, May 17, 2013 12:08 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH/SHS F-Unit Electronics > > > > > John, I see that you post here a lot and are very knowledgeable. I'm still learning, so bear with me. > > I have been considering buying the new MTH F3 diesel and thought I could buy their diesel and operate it, right out of the box, on a regular DCC system that operates my existing DCC equipped engines from SHS. But your post may be contradicting that, I'm not clear. > > Are you saying that: > 1. you wish MTH did not always include their proprietary decoder (Protosound) and sold a unit at a lower cost, that was DCC ready so that you could install exactly what you wanted and not waste money on their technology, preferring to choose it yourself. Put another way, you wanted a cheaper DCC READY rather than the more expensive DCS EQUIPPED engine or are you saying, > 2. the MTH F3 diesel will not operate out of the box on a standard DCC system but you must either buy and use their DCS system or install additional decoder > > I'm hoping your post means 1 and not 2, but if it is 2 can you be more specific about where you found this information, as I've thought, both from emails that I got back from MTH and questions and answers at York, that their F3 would run right out of the box on a regular DCC system. > > For what it's worth, I also thought I learned that their DCS system would operate only their Protosound equpped engines, not standard (e.g. SHS) DCC equpped engines So is your second point about offering to sell the MTH stuff that you would take out intended for those who might buy the DCS control system and wanted to try to install the MTH stuff into another engine so it would run with the MTH command system - otherwise, I'm not clear why someone would want to buy it. > > Thanks, > > John Zurad > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@> wrote: > > > > The good news is that MTH has re-released the SHS F-3 locos!!! But, as usual, there's a dark side - they (nearsightedly) only offer them WITH their Protosound and DCC systems. I, for one, have absolutely no use whatsoever for Protosound or their choice of DCC... meaning I have to pay heaps of extra money for something I have no use for to get what I want. I have no earthly idea why they did not offer these in a DCC-Ready version (at an obviously cheaper price), but I guess that's what they decided we all needed (as if I need a manufacturer telling me what I need). (DCC/sound READY as opposed to DCC/sound EQUIPPED) > > > > HUMBUG!!! > > > > So, they can KEEP their locos... ... or... ... if someone out there would be interested in buying two sets of Protosound and DCC components were I to buy these locos and rip this junk out of them... that might work for me. According to one of their contact personnel, their ProtoSound 2 upgrade kits retail for $180.00, so I'm assuming the Protosound 3 systems go for more... quesstimated around $200. However, I would only be asking !$100 each If I were to do this. > > > > Any takers out there? > > > > > > John Degnan > > Scaler164@ > > Scaler187@ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72359	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: Inland Terminal S Gauge Club Seeks Members (So. Calif.)

Inland Terminal Model Railroad Club in Lawndale, CA, is seeking new members. The S scale club is housed in a club-owned 20 foot by 40 foot building and operates 2,000 feet of continuous run standard gauge mainline featuring a three-level helix. Also featured is a variety of equipment, including converted American Flyer. The layout was started in the 1950s as a freelance design. Once a classical configuration with two dispatch/operator stations the layout today uses wireless walk-around cabs for locomotive control. Track and turnouts are hand laid with mostly Code 100 rail to reflect the scale nature of the layout. In addition there is a 150 foot Sn3 single mainline and yard under construction. This club will be featured on the layout tour of the Thirty-third National Narrow Gauge Convention this coming August. The club is open on Wednesday evenings from 6:00 pm to 9:00 pm. If you would like to attend, please contact either Reggie Cunningham (310-717-0130) or James McAuliffe (714-412-5093) to verify that the club is open. The Inland Terminal Model Railroad Club is located at 4734 West 152nd Street in Lawndale. Parking is available on the street or across Inglewood Avenue in the shopping center parking lot. Here is a map link: http://tinyurl.com/n4raayl Submitted by: Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72360	From: David	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: NEW LED Cubes (Advertisement)

We will be offering a NEW LED SHAPE next month. This should solve a lot of problems for lighting different engines, rolling stock & structures. This new shape is a 1/4" square black resin cube with an LED installed. Will be offered in BRIGHT WHITE, RED and GREEN. GREAT for engine running lights, interior lighting, etc. and will be priced at only $3.25 ea. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72361	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/21/2013
Subject: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses

I know this is probably wishful thinking... but... does anyone know if any manufacturer (brass or plastic) has ever made "TAYLOR" trucks in S scale? These are the trucks that Reading commonly used under their cabooses. I cannot even locate any photos of these things on the web for reference. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72362	From: Rich	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses

John - reply #2 -- For what its worth, the link below is a post from the folks involved in the caboose restoration and they mention the fact that it has Taylor trucks... http://www.ridgelymd.org/pfd_files/_ads/historical_society/meet_92813.pdf - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > I know this is probably wishful thinking... but... does anyone know if any manufacturer (brass or plastic) has ever made "TAYLOR" trucks in S scale? These are the trucks that Reading commonly used under their cabooses. I cannot even locate any photos of these things on the web for reference. > > Thanks. > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > Scaler187@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72363	From: Rich	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses

John -- a couple of years ago, Mike Marmer (who, alas, no longer posts here) posted some info on a caboose in Ridgely, MD in need of restoration. Looking at the pictures, it is the spitting image of what we Flyer folks think of as a Reading caboose (#630). If you google Ridgely, MD, caboose you'll find some pictures, like these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/throwingbull/4921455497/in/photostream/ http://rogro.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1101488 http://www.flickr.com/photos/throwingbull/4921455497/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/easternshoremdpics/6889735769/ The last of these shows what appears to be the 'restoration in progress'. I have no idea whether this caboose has the Taylor trucks to which you refer. the NERails website may have some pictures of Reading cabeese. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > I know this is probably wishful thinking... but... does anyone know if any manufacturer (brass or plastic) has ever made "TAYLOR" trucks in S scale? These are the trucks that Reading commonly used under their cabooses. I cannot even locate any photos of these things on the web for reference. > > Thanks. > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > Scaler187@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72364	From: David	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: NEW LED Cubes Correction

The size should be approx. 3.75mm not 1/4" [:-$] LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72365	From: jhannawald	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses

There is a series of photos of this caboose in the photo section http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1777227737/pic/list Jim From: Rich Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:20 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses John - reply #2 -- For what its worth, the link below is a post from the folks involved in the caboose restoration and they mention the fact that it has Taylor trucks... http://www.ridgelymd.org/pfd_files/_ads/historical_society/meet_92813.pdf - Rich --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > I know this is probably wishful thinking... but... does anyone know if any manufacturer (brass or plastic) has ever made "TAYLOR" trucks in S scale? These are the trucks that Reading commonly used under their cabooses. I cannot even locate any photos of these things on the web for reference. > > Thanks. > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > Scaler187@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72366	From: R G	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses

Here is a picture of the Ridgely caboose. ________________________________ From: Rich <richs009@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses   John - reply #2 -- For what its worth, the link below is a post from the folks involved in the caboose restoration and they mention the fact that it has Taylor trucks... http://www.ridgelymd.org/pfd_files/_ads/historical_society/meet_92813.pdf - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > I know this is probably wishful thinking... but... does anyone know if any manufacturer (brass or plastic) has ever made "TAYLOR" trucks in S scale? These are the trucks that Reading commonly used under their cabooses. I cannot even locate any photos of these things on the web for reference. > > Thanks. > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > Scaler187@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72367	From: lionely6b	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Re: Bibliography

Ben, Check out HSL (Hybrid products Systems, Ltd.).: http://www.hslinc.com/ They market several toy train digital archives (catalogs, corporate communications, etc). One of their newest is of Lionel and American Flyer advertising materials. Many of the archives were developed from the extensive paper collection of Andy Jugle. Bob Bubeck Has there ever been a bibliography prepared of American Flyer advertising that was done back in the 30's, 40's and 50's in national media like Life magazine, Look magazine, the Saturday Evening Post, etc? I have one or two that I have stumbled across and am still searching for at least one more that I am aware of, but I am confident there is quite a bit more out there. Thanks. Ben Colley > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72368	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 5/22/2013
Subject: Voting

I am forwarding this message on behalf of Bill Winans, regarding NASG elections: Hi all -- Because of the late arrival of the "Dispatch" containing the ballots, the voting period has been extended to June 15th. Ballots postmarked by that date and received by Jamie Bothwell before June 30 will be counted. Bill Winans -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72369	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: Re: Voting

Is there any way to vote 'online'? Or do we have to send in ballot? thanks for info Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 5/23/2013 02:07, Peter Vanvliet wrote: > > I am forwarding this message on behalf of Bill Winans, regarding NASG > elections: > > Hi all -- > Because of the late arrival of the "Dispatch" containing the ballots, > the voting period has been extended to June 15th. Ballots postmarked > by that date and received by Jamie Bothwell before June 30 will be > counted. > Bill Winans > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72370	From: Roy	Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: Carl Tuveson is finally on.

I just saw Carl Tuveson's layout on the "I Love Toy Trains" show on RFD-TV. The title of the show is "Lionel Nation: Hi-rail Layouts: 2A" RFD-TV is repeating it at 2:00 AM. It's a very nice layout that uses AM track and has really good looking scenery. Roy Hoffman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72371	From: Steve Schwartz	Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses

John: Taylor trucks? They're hard enough to come by in HO! I think there were extras available when one of the brass importers did Reading cabooses a few years ago. I'll have to do a little digging but Taylor truck drawings were in a Car Builder's Dictionary 'way back. Also, the Taylor truck was developed by and for a subsidiary of the Reading. I believe it was the "Flexible Truck Company"-further research needed there. The Reading seems to be the only railroad to use the Taylor truck-it's possible that Reading subsidiary Jersey Central had some. There was a freight car, caboose, and passenger version of the truck. A friend who was a car knocker on the Reading told me that the Taylor trucks would "cock" at an odd angle if the car was subject to hard coupling or a good "shot". If you want to see Taylor trucks "in the flesh", both passenger and caboose versions, you can see them at the Reading Railroad Museum in Hamburg, PA.. They open on Saturday and Sunday. There are three of the "Reading" cabooses there, and one Lehigh Valley cab, too. Steve From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Degnan Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:58 PM To: POST : (S) S-Trains Group; POST : (S) SSPM Group; POST : (S) S-Scale-ProgreSSive Group; POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group Subject: [S-Trains] TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses I know this is probably wishful thinking... but... does anyone know if any manufacturer (brass or plastic) has ever made "TAYLOR" trucks in S scale? These are the trucks that Reading commonly used under their cabooses. I cannot even locate any photos of these things on the web for reference. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... <mailto:Scaler164%40comcast.net> Scaler187@... <mailto:Scaler187%40comcast.net> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ <http://newsletter.adsonar.com/nwrss/imgs/nwr_1560786_36140222_379054_207076 7_4_2.PNG?placementId=1560786&plid=379054&pid=2070767&ps=36140222&rotation=4 &type=2&zw=500&zh=70&v=5&url=NA&uid=> ____________________________________________________________ BlackBerry® 10 Get the latest details on the new BlackBerry 10 smartphone. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/519ea1f8cb00521f74fcdst03vuc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72372	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: For sale: NIB S-helper reefer & boxcar

Both new in the original P-9/P-10 box. Scale wheels are in the box. 00485 Robin Hood Beer Reefer: asking $60 00072 Southern Pacific USRA boxcar: asking $50 Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72373	From: Obie Bell	Date: 5/23/2013
Subject: Re: Carl Tuveson is finally on.

Thanks Roy, Since the airing of the show was screwed up last time, I set my DVR to record all episodes. I just watched this show and I must say I wish Carl's segment was longer. If you read this Carl, you have every right to be proud, your layout is VERY VERY nice and stands as a symbol of the very best in S-gauge. Obie To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: royhoffman@... Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 22:27:18 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Carl Tuveson is finally on. I just saw Carl Tuveson's layout on the "I Love Toy Trains" show on RFD-TV. The title of the show is "Lionel Nation: Hi-rail Layouts: 2A" RFD-TV is repeating it at 2:00 AM. It's a very nice layout that uses AM track and has really good looking scenery. Roy Hoffman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72374	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses

If you want to see what a Taylor truck looks like, just go to the link below on the first photo and click on "original" view in the upper left area. Then just scroll to the truck area of the caboose for a large view of this somewhat unusual truck. It looks to me like it would provide something akin to independent suspension between the 4 wheels of the truck. Dale On 5/22/2013 11:06 AM, jhannawald@... wrote: > > There is a series of photos of this caboose in the photo section > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1777227737/pic/list > > Jim > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72375	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Testors thins it's paint lines

I picked this up on some of the model railroad sites: Testors Corporation will be reducing it's paint lines. Among those going out of production is Polly Scale, Floquil, and all their military paints. What makes this a concern is that model paints have very special characteristics. Among them is the very finely ground pigments to allow for paint coverage without loss of detail. The paints which are disappearing are all acrylic (water soluable) which is odd because the industry has been working for years to perfect these and do away with solvent based paints. Only Model Master and one other line will remain at Testors. Model Master requires a specific Thinner and doesn't seem to work as well as either Polly Scale or Flouquil. It is designed for model cars and "general" modeling, and does not have railroad colors in it's lineup. Fortunately, there are said to be current stocks at the plant and hobby shops are well stocked, so it will take time for the discontinued brands to disappear completely. Certainly, economics are in play, as is the take over of Testors by the investment group which owns Rustoleum. ...Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72376	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Carl Tuveson is finally on.

From: Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas Roy and everyone else, If you want to see more of Carl's layout go to www.tuveson.com  He also has some more vidios listed on his website. � Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: Roy <royhoffman@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Carl Tuveson is finally on.   I just saw Carl Tuveson's layout on the "I Love Toy Trains" show on RFD-TV. The title of the show is "Lionel Nation: Hi-rail Layouts: 2A" RFD-TV is repeating it at 2:00 AM. It's a very nice layout that uses AM track and has really good looking scenery. Roy Hoffman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72377	From: James B Miller	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses

John -- Do you have access to the book 'Reading Company Cabooses' by one our own S-scalers, John W. Hall? It has drawings of all the caboose trucks including Flexible Truck Corporation drawing (Reading Company) F-410 - Taylor Flexible Truck Caboose Truck, on page 26. IMO, a book well worthwhile if you have any interest in Reading cabooses. -- Jim Miller -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Degnan Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:58 PM To: POST : (S) S-Trains Group; POST : (S) SSPM Group; POST : (S) S-Scale-ProgreSSive Group; POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group Subject: [S-Trains] TAYLOR trucks for Reading Cabooses I know this is probably wishful thinking... but... does anyone know if any manufacturer (brass or plastic) has ever made "TAYLOR" trucks in S scale? These are the trucks that Reading commonly used under their cabooses. I cannot even locate any photos of these things on the web for reference. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72378	From: Steven Allen	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines

Stumpy, I went to Testors Facebook page and it's true they are eliminating Floquil, PolyScale and PACTRA paint lines. I also thought there was another line. Certainly a poor business decision, as I have almost exclusively used Floquil and Polyscale for all my model railroading paint needs. I'm certain that there may be some subsitutes in their Model Master Line, but I find that to be geared more towards the military modeller. This appears to be another example of big business buying up their smaller competitors then doing away with their product line(s). I would think it would be a more prudent decision to merge the colors into their Model Master line (eliminate any duplicate colors between PolyScale and Floquil), then they can discontinue the names Floquil or PolyScale, rather than to do away with all together. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I picked this up on some of the model railroad sites: Testors Corporation will be reducing it's paint lines. Among those going out of production is Polly Scale, Floquil, and all their military paints. > > What makes this a concern is that model paints have very special characteristics. Among them is the very finely ground pigments to allow for paint coverage without loss of detail. The paints which are disappearing are all acrylic (water soluable) which is odd because the industry has been working for years to perfect these and do away with solvent based paints. > > Only Model Master and one other line will remain at Testors. Model Master requires a specific Thinner and doesn't seem to work as well as either Polly Scale or Flouquil. It is designed for model cars and "general" modeling, and does not have railroad colors in it's lineup. > > Fortunately, there are said to be current stocks at the plant and hobby shops are well stocked, so it will take time for the discontinued brands to disappear completely. > > Certainly, economics are in play, as is the take over of Testors by the investment group which owns Rustoleum. > ...Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72379	From: Steven Allen	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines

Hi Stumpy, I saw a similar article on AmericanRailroad.com's Facebook wall 2 nights ago, however, they came back with a retraction to the first statement last night. I have not been on Facebook yet today, so I don't know if there is anything different. I'm going to try Testor's Facebook link, as well as their normal weblink. I let you know if there is anything to the contrary. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I picked this up on some of the model railroad sites: Testors Corporation will be reducing it's paint lines. Among those going out of production is Polly Scale, Floquil, and all their military paints. > > What makes this a concern is that model paints have very special characteristics. Among them is the very finely ground pigments to allow for paint coverage without loss of detail. The paints which are disappearing are all acrylic (water soluable) which is odd because the industry has been working for years to perfect these and do away with solvent based paints. > > Only Model Master and one other line will remain at Testors. Model Master requires a specific Thinner and doesn't seem to work as well as either Polly Scale or Flouquil. It is designed for model cars and "general" modeling, and does not have railroad colors in it's lineup. > > Fortunately, there are said to be current stocks at the plant and hobby shops are well stocked, so it will take time for the discontinued brands to disappear completely. > > Certainly, economics are in play, as is the take over of Testors by the investment group which owns Rustoleum. > ...Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72380	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines

All, For those who have concerns, voice them directly to the company. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Allen Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Testors thins it's paint lines Stumpy, I went to Testors Facebook page and it's true they are eliminating Floquil, PolyScale and PACTRA paint lines. I also thought there was another line. Certainly a poor business decision, as I have almost exclusively used Floquil and Polyscale for all my model railroading paint needs. I'm certain that there may be some subsitutes in their Model Master Line, but I find that to be geared more towards the military modeller. This appears to be another example of big business buying up their smaller competitors then doing away with their product line(s). I would think it would be a more prudent decision to merge the colors into their Model Master line (eliminate any duplicate colors between PolyScale and Floquil), then they can discontinue the names Floquil or PolyScale, rather than to do away with all together. Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I picked this up on some of the model railroad sites: Testors Corporation will be reducing it's paint lines. Among those going out of production is Polly Scale, Floquil, and all their military paints. > > What makes this a concern is that model paints have very special characteristics. Among them is the very finely ground pigments to allow for paint coverage without loss of detail. The paints which are disappearing are all acrylic (water soluable) which is odd because the industry has been working for years to perfect these and do away with solvent based paints. > > Only Model Master and one other line will remain at Testors. Model Master requires a specific Thinner and doesn't seem to work as well as either Polly Scale or Flouquil. It is designed for model cars and "general" modeling, and does not have railroad colors in it's lineup. > > Fortunately, there are said to be current stocks at the plant and hobby shops are well stocked, so it will take time for the discontinued brands to disappear completely. > > Certainly, economics are in play, as is the take over of Testors by the investment group which owns Rustoleum. > ...Stumpy in Ahia > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72381	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Testors thins it's paint lines

I contacted them well before writing my original post this morning and so far have received no reply. Their website www.testors.com still lists all it's paint lines and there is no hint that anything has changed. Contacting Testors is an excellent idea. If e-mailing or posting a "contact" message on their site, remember to word it carefully and be civil. Raging morons get nowhere with corporate America. ...Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72382	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Paint Question

To everyone, Does anyone know of a close to exact red paint for the 470/471/473 SF engines. These were more of a satin finish rather then a gloss type paint. Thanks' Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72383	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines

Hi Stumpy, � You might want to get a 2013 Walters Catalog. You do a lot of custom work and painting and the catalog will show you what is currently available. Floquil is not going out of production. Floquil also makes Polly Scale, which is acrylic and water reducible and this line is still available. All of Testors Model Master Military paints are still available and it looks like they expanded the line and added new colors. I have the 2013 HO catalog and in addition to the paints they have a large selection of scratch building supplies. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Testors thins it's paint lines   I picked this up on some of the model railroad sites: Testors Corporation will be reducing it's paint lines. Among those going out of production is Polly Scale, Floquil, and all their military paints. What makes this a concern is that model paints have very special characteristics. Among them is the very finely ground pigments to allow for paint coverage without loss of detail. The paints which are disappearing are all acrylic (water soluable) which is odd because the industry has been working for years to perfect these and do away with solvent based paints. Only Model Master and one other line will remain at Testors. Model Master requires a specific Thinner and doesn't seem to work as well as either Polly Scale or Flouquil. It is designed for model cars and "general" modeling, and does not have railroad colors in it's lineup. Fortunately, there are said to be current stocks at the plant and hobby shops are well stocked, so it will take time for the discontinued brands to disappear completely. Certainly, economics are in play, as is the take over of Testors by the investment group which owns Rustoleum. ...Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72384	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Paint Question

Hi Harwood, � You may want to try Polly Scale #414149 ATSF Red.  I'm not sure if Gilbert used that color. but many things they made were from actual railroads and I believe this would be close. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Paint Question   To everyone, Does anyone know of a close to exact red paint for the 470/471/473 SF engines. These were more of a satin finish rather then a gloss type paint. Thanks' Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72385	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines

Hi Stumpy, � Floquil, Polly Scale and Model Master are all listed in the Walters 2013 HO catalog as well as on the Testors website so I don't believe they are dropping any of their paint lines in 2013. Tom Seccia � ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Testors thins it's paint lines   I contacted them well before writing my original post this morning and so far have received no reply. Their website www.testors.com still lists all it's paint lines and there is no hint that anything has changed. Contacting Testors is an excellent idea. If e-mailing or posting a "contact" message on their site, remember to word it carefully and be civil. Raging morons get nowhere with corporate America. ...Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72386	From: Obie Bell	Date: 5/24/2013
Subject: Re: Paint Question

Hello Harwood, Several years ago I bought red, silver, yellow, and black for the same engines from Ron Levington (sp?), they were an EXACT match. Can't help with they brand as the name was carefully cut out of the paper labels that were on the bottles. Obie To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: trainsandhobbies@... Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 16:21:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paint Question Hi Harwood, � You may want to try Polly Scale #414149 ATSF Red. I'm not sure if Gilbert used that color. but many things they made were from actual railroads and I believe this would be close. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Paint Question To everyone, Does anyone know of a close to exact red paint for the 470/471/473 SF engines. These were more of a satin finish rather then a gloss type paint. Thanks' Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72387	From: David	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: LED Cubes Here Early (Advertisement)

We have received a very small order of the NEW red, green & white LED cubes earlier than the 06-01-2013 date we reported. The price is still $3.25 each but do to the assembly procedures they will be in limited supplies for the time being and will ship in 7 - 14 working days from time of order. Photos of these NEW LED CUBES are at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> Thank you all for your continuing support. LBR Enterprises,llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72388	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Testors paint lines

Testors bought up some smaller paint manufacturers several years ago, including my all time favorite from the past Floquil Railroad Colors. I used it from the fifties into 2007 before acrylics were perfected. It was the best of it's day. In 2007, I started switching to acrylics and testing their properties as I found out that the solvent Toulene used in Floquil can be absorbed through the skin and causes neurolgical troubles in later life (maybe that's why my spelling is poor today?) (-; I needed a few colors of my favorite Polly Scale acrylic, so I decided to go to the local hobby shop and replace them now rather than put it off. They told me that they were notified a few months ago that production had stopped but current supplies were likely adequate for the rest of the year. They also carry the Model Master enamels and said they are no good for trains as the colors are wrong and it tends to cover small details up. Even many of their long time car and airplane modelers don't like it. They have already started hearing complaints from customers as they learn about Testors discontinuing their favored paint lines. I got a "form e-mail" reply from Testors that said they are receiving too many e-mails to answer any questions right away. Isn't this "corporate speak" for "oh s**t?" I'd say it's time to turn up the "heat" on them! ...Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72389	From: Steven Allen	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines

Attached is a Marketing and Sales news release I found on line about Testors product decision dated May 17: Dear Valued Partner, I am writing to inform you about changes that are taking place at the Testor Corporation. For over 80 years, we have provided premium paints and finishing systems to the craft and hobby industry. Today, we announced that we are transforming our business in order to more effectively address the changing needs of our consumers and their interests. We've made the decision to exit the following businesses within the Testor® Brand family - Pactra®, Floquil®, Polyscale®, and ColorArtz®. This will enable the Testor Corporation to return to our foundation of success – providing premium, innovative product that inspires creativity. We will continue to accept orders and ship product for a limited time based on available quantities. Going forward, the following brands will be critical to our success and development – Testor®, Model Master™, and Aztek®. These brands will be infused with marketing support, innovation and operational efficiencies. In support of this, we have announced a consolidation of operations at our Rockford facilities. Over the next several months we will provide updates critical to your order and delivery needs as well as product availability. We assure you there will be no disruption to service during this transition. Our commitment to the Testor brand has never been stronger. By implementing these changes, and the ability to leverage all of Rust-Oleum's world class services, we are more strongly poised to take your business to the next level through product and merchandising innovations, and increased customer intimacy. Please contact me or your sales manager directly with any questions. We appreciate your business! Best Regards, Kristin J. Schiro Director of Sales & Marketing --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Stumpy, >   Floquil, Polly Scale and Model Master are all listed in the Walters 2013 HO catalog as well as on the Testors website so I don't believe they are dropping any of their paint lines in 2013. > Tom Seccia >   > > > > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 4:34 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Testors thins it's paint lines > > > >   > I contacted them well before writing my original post this morning and so far have received no reply. > > Their website www.testors.com still lists all it's paint lines and there is no hint that anything has changed. > > Contacting Testors is an excellent idea. If e-mailing or posting a "contact" message on their site, remember to word it carefully and be civil. Raging morons get nowhere with corporate America. > ...Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72390	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Re: Testors paint lines

Hi Stumpy, � There is another paint company that makes railroad colors that is water based.. The company is Modelflex. They list both railroad colors and military colors. Go to www.walters.com and take a look at their listings.  They also have Polly Scale in case your local Hobby shop does not have what you want. If Testors has already decided to discontinue certain product lines, they will do it.  Big corporations are usually run by bean counters and don't reverse their decisions.  Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Testors paint lines   Testors bought up some smaller paint manufacturers several years ago, including my all time favorite from the past Floquil Railroad Colors. I used it from the fifties into 2007 before acrylics were perfected. It was the best of it's day. In 2007, I started switching to acrylics and testing their properties as I found out that the solvent Toulene used in Floquil can be absorbed through the skin and causes neurolgical troubles in later life (maybe that's why my spelling is poor today?) (-; I needed a few colors of my favorite Polly Scale acrylic, so I decided to go to the local hobby shop and replace them now rather than put it off. They told me that they were notified a few months ago that production had stopped but current supplies were likely adequate for the rest of the year. They also carry the Model Master enamels and said they are no good for trains as the colors are wrong and it tends to cover small details up. Even many of their long time car and airplane modelers don't like it. They have already started hearing complaints from customers as they learn about Testors discontinuing their favored paint lines. I got a "form e-mail" reply from Testors that said they are receiving too many e-mails to answer any questions right away. Isn't this "corporate speak" for "oh s**t?" I'd say it's time to turn up the "heat" on them! ...Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72391	From: Ben	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: Circus Big Top pole truck/wagon load

I just added a few photos in my circus album of the Big Top pole wagon/truck I have been working on. It was made from a baby blue Allied moving truck with red semi-trailer- minus the clear top (I bought it "broken.") I built the circus base out of balsa wood and the poles are 3/16" dowel for the center poles and 1/8" dowel for the quarter poles. I drilled tiny holes in the quarter poles and glued in some wire to simulate the spikes that go through the grommets in the tent canvas. As always, I tried to build it with the "scale" and whimsy of the original AF circus wagon loads. Just like the real thing, I have a small Jeep that will park behind the pole wagon, its hood and front seats under the overhanging center poles (windshield down, of course!) Let me know what you you think. I will post pics of the completed load on a flatcar once I get the Jeep painted. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72392	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/25/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/26/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 26, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72393	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Re: Testors paint

Tom...Thanks for the heads up about Modelflex, I had forgotten about them. Once I discovered Polly Scale could replace the old solvent Floquil I have used for so many years, I just sort of forgot others. So many of the early acrylics were so poor that I stayed with the solvents until I found a good one. I have also been directed to Vallejo Paint as well on other Yahoo groups. This seems to be a concentrated artist paint with an extremely wide range of colors that many scale model railroaders are turning to. For the future, I'll probably stay with Polly Scale until the supply runs out. When I heard about Testors, rather than wait until I ran out of certain colors, I bought replacements right away. That will be my policy from now on, buy a color when I get down to about half a bottle. Meanwhile, I'll start testing the alternatives. Such is our world today. ...Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72394	From: hobbycj1	Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Cherry Switch

Hi-- I have a Flyonel USRA Penn Light Mike that doesn't chuff or have brake squeal. All other functins & sounds work. I would like to replace the Cherry Switch, to see if that's the problem. Does anyone know where it is located? & also, if a replacement switch is available from some source? Thanks CJB Clement J Bianchi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72395	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Re: Testors paint

Hi Stumpy, � I still use Model Master for certain colors, such as Leather, and Dark Tan. I paint my own reproduction American Flyer figures and many of the military colors seem to match up with these paint schemes.  For Acrylics I use a company called Apple Barrel. I believe I found these at Michaels, an Arts & Craft store near me.  A 2 ounce bottle sells for about $2 or $3 and they have a fairly good selection of colors.  Since Walters has Polly Scale in their 2013 Catalog inventory should be around for the next few years. I'm going to check out Vallejo. Thanks for that information. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Testors paint   Tom...Thanks for the heads up about Modelflex, I had forgotten about them. Once I discovered Polly Scale could replace the old solvent Floquil I have used for so many years, I just sort of forgot others. So many of the early acrylics were so poor that I stayed with the solvents until I found a good one. I have also been directed to Vallejo Paint as well on other Yahoo groups. This seems to be a concentrated artist paint with an extremely wide range of colors that many scale model railroaders are turning to. For the future, I'll probably stay with Polly Scale until the supply runs out. When I heard about Testors, rather than wait until I ran out of certain colors, I bought replacements right away. That will be my policy from now on, buy a color when I get down to about half a bottle. Meanwhile, I'll start testing the alternatives. Such is our world today. ...Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72396	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/26/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 26, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72397	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 5/26/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines

Typical corporate gobledygook! Keep the junk and dump the good stuff. ModelMaster is not a good paint in comparison to others being dropped. The exception seems to be the metallics but I bet they drop that as well. Perhaps they can be convinced to sell Floquil to someone else but I doubt it. May as well turn up the heat, no point being real nice. Tony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72398	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: Cherry Switch

Clement, Do an advanced search of the S-Trains group for "Newer Flyonel Mikados". There was discussion back in Jan '09 which shows which P/N and vendor's switches go into which Mikados. Switch is buried deep in the chassis right between and above the rear set of drivers. Circuit boards must be moved out of the way. I fixed my NYC Mike by replacing the switch and shimming it 0.020". Too much overtravel was damaging the switch. Making the tiny shim was incredibly hard. Without it a new switch would soon fail. Your experience may vary as yours is a later production run than the NYC. Don Abrams TCA 84-20695

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72399	From: grdobbs@juno.com	Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: New email address for Gerald Dobbs

To Whom It May Concern: Please change my email address to grdobbs@.... I am no longer recieveing emails at the Juno address. Thank You, Gerald Dobbs ____________________________________________________________ Weird trick Bank loophole lets you collect silver from practically any bank http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51a2aef314acd2ef341b0st04duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72400	From: James Lyle	Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines

I am guessing either lack sale or more laws going on the books Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Anthony Cynor <tonycynor@...> wrote: > Typical corporate gobledygook! Keep the junk and dump the good stuff. > ModelMaster is not a good paint in comparison to others being dropped. > The exception seems to be the metallics but I bet they drop that as > well. Perhaps they can be convinced to sell Floquil to someone else but > I doubt it. May as well turn up the heat, no point being real nice. > > Tony > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72401	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 5/27/2013
Subject: Re: 342 AC

I just took apart my 342 AC it was by far the most complicated Gilbert engine take apart by me so far, havent done anything else going to start cleaning it tomorrow, the worse part was getting the smoke tube out it was frozen in the rest wasnt too bad but it is going to take some time to clean up very dirty and one wheel is lose on the rim going to decide what to do about it glue are send it in not sure yet. Sincerly; James Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72402	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: Cherry Switch

Hi Don-- Thanks for the great info. It is a huge help!! I was able to find Lionel's replacement part and hope that works! Is the switch a plug in, or is soldering required? Thanks CJB ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Abrams To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 4:13 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cherry Switch Clement, Do an advanced search of the S-Trains group for "Newer Flyonel Mikados". There was discussion back in Jan '09 which shows which P/N and vendor's switches go into which Mikados. Switch is buried deep in the chassis right between and above the rear set of drivers. Circuit boards must be moved out of the way. I fixed my NYC Mike by replacing the switch and shimming it 0.020". Too much overtravel was damaging the switch. Making the tiny shim was incredibly hard. Without it a new switch would soon fail. Your experience may vary as yours is a later production run than the NYC. Don Abrams TCA 84-20695 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72403	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: MTH S-Gauge Trains

Hello All, I was asked to pass this on to the group. Toy Trains Unlimited is pleased to announce that we have been an MTH wholesale dealer for over 10 years and now we are an official dealer for MTH S-Gauge trains and accessories. This store has a large supply of post-war American Flyer, Lionel S-Gauge, a nice selection of S-Helper trains and a large supply of American Flyer S-Gauge parts. We are also an authorized repair shop for MTH. We are also the proud sponsor of the Baltimore Area American Flyer club. Toy Trains Unlimited 38 York Street Hanover, Pa. 17331 phone orders Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday 12 to 5 pm. Phone 1-717-637-4717 Fax 1-717-235-6943 Visa, Mastercard and checks accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72404	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: Testors thins it's paint lines

I am guessing either lack sale or more laws going on the books Jim Lyle You may be quite right about that. I remember Stewart/Lundahl 410M Styrene which was one of the best I ever used. Odd odor though it was occasionally referred to as a eutectic enamel. Still have two bottles. Tony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72405	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Testors replies!

I received a reply from my courteous but questioning e-mail as to why Testors was doing away with Polly Scale, Pactra, Floquil, and others. It was the typical corporate double speak which answered NONE of the questions I asked. I STILL do not know why they are dropping all their better paint lines to make only low quality stuff that school kids would use. Could this be typical corporate "bean counter" thinking at work? Are they planning on buying their paint from China and just packaging it here? That would certainly explain low grade and solvent based. I guess model railroading and serious modeling of cars, planes, ships, and military is in such decline that we don't count anymore. Well, as I see it, once the supply of the good Testors products is gone, Testors doesn't count anymore! Do you think I'm a bit disgruntled? You're very perceptive. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72406	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 5/28/2013
Subject: Re: Testors replies!

I have not done any modeling in several years and I recently tossed all the old dried out bottles I had on hand (almost exclusively military aviation colors). Now that I am retired, I plan to get serious about modeling again, primarily oriented towards railroading and landscaping/scenery, etc. SOOoo. What acrylics should I stock up on while the 'getting is still good'??? What are the BASIC colors you like to keep on hand and when a bottle empties it gets replaced asap? Looking forward to your recommendations.. Ben From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Testors replies! I received a reply from my courteous but questioning e-mail as to why Testors was doing away with Polly Scale, Pactra, Floquil, and others. It was the typical corporate double speak which answered NONE of the questions I asked. I STILL do not know why they are dropping all their better paint lines to make only low quality stuff that school kids would use. Could this be typical corporate "bean counter" thinking at work? Are they planning on buying their paint from China and just packaging it here? That would certainly explain low grade and solvent based. I guess model railroading and serious modeling of cars, planes, ships, and military is in such decline that we don't count anymore. Well, as I see it, once the supply of the good Testors products is gone, Testors doesn't count anymore! Do you think I'm a bit disgruntled? You're very perceptive. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72407	From: sgaugian	Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Re: Cherry Switch

The first two Mikes (NYC and B&O) have a flimsy and prone to fail cherry switch in them. Later released Mikes and Pacifics have a much more robust (i.e. O gauge engine) cherry switch in them. They are not interchangeable and so without extensive milling of the early engine chassis you can not install the later model cherry switch in either of the first release Mikes. Lionel makes improvements (many unannounced or pointed out) to engines as subsequent releases of that model occur. For example, they made the pilots of latter releases (e.g. compare the pilot of the Alton LImited to that of the Blue Comet) with track pick-up where earlier versions do not. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hobbycj1" <cj@...> wrote: > > Hi-- > I have a Flyonel USRA Penn Light Mike that doesn't chuff or have brake squeal. All other functins & sounds work. > I would like to replace the Cherry Switch, to see if that's the problem. Does anyone know where it is located? & also, if a replacement switch is available from some source? > Thanks CJB > Clement J Bianchi >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72408	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Re: Cherry Switch

Clement, It's been 4 years. I honestly don't remember how the wires are attached. Order more than one just in cast things don't go as planned! Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72409	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Useful Polly Scale colors

After years of model railroading with Floquil's Toulene based paints, I started to experiment with the then just appearing acrylic paints. They were all pretty poor, and quality was spotty at best, among the worst then were Badger's Accu-flex. You might remember the automobile manufacturers had problems with poor quality acrylic paints blistering, peeling, and sun fading during this period as well. However the possible advantages of acrylic paints were several. Being water soluable, they were much safer to handle and did not require thinners to "cut" and clean up. They are also great for paint "washes" for weathering. I mostly paint with a brush, having been taught how way back before air brushes were common. Brushing requires very good paint and brushes. Eventually I found Testors Polly Scale and really liked it. The pigments are ground very fine and the paint covers nicely without covering up small details. Here are the base colors I use for all modeling: I found that "Steam Power Black" is very much like old American Flyer black plastic used for boiler and tender shells. It is also a good "generic" black for many uses. So I keep a couple bottles on hand all the time. My second most used color is "Undercoat Lt. Gray." Rebuilding and kit bashing (customizing would really be more accurate) junkers requires a LOT of this, which I use as a primer/sealer. I also use this color as "old" graphite for smokeboxes, dirty "white" running board stripes and wheel tires too. I keep a couple of these on hand at a time as well. I like "ATSF Silver" for freshly graphited smokeboxes, and other uses where "generic" silver is called for. I keep one bottle on hand. (Unfortunately I have to use Model Master "Gold" enamel for "brass" surfaces such as bells and railings, and it quickly shows it's shortcomings compared to the silver acrylic paint.) I use "Reefer White" and "Reefer Yellow" (one bottle each) for their normal use and for hanrails and warning colors where appropriate. One bottle of "Caboose Red" is my universal red color. I also keep a bottle of "PRR Tuscan" and "Boxcar Red" for their normal use and for cab roofs, tender decks, and weathering "old rust" washes. Beyond those base colors, I keep a bottle of each color which I use for the roads I model, including my own Rock Ridge Route and Stone Lines. Your needs will probably differ beyond the base colors. I also use Polly Scale for car and airplane modeling and shoot a couple of coats of Testors Gloss or Dullcoat over the Polly Scale as required for the model. I'll stock an extra bottle of the base colors from now on, or until I find a replacement for Testors products. I bought a few of those multi-comparment plastic boxes at the crafty store and use it to store paint. The paint bottles lie on their sides to allow easy reading of lables and so that the pigment doesn't settle to the bottom of the bottle. While stirring acrylic paints is advisable, you can often get bottles stored on their sides to mix well just by shaking them. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72410	From: Steven Allen	Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale colors

Stumpy, Since I'm most familiar with Floquil and PollyScale. Could you tell me what the differences between the previous mention Badger Accu-Flex and the ModelFlex paint they promote now if you know. Is it a paint that considered dependable and a decent substitute? Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > After years of model railroading with Floquil's Toulene based paints, I started to experiment with the then just appearing acrylic paints. They were all pretty poor, and quality was spotty at best, among the worst then were Badger's Accu-flex. You might remember the automobile manufacturers had problems with poor quality acrylic paints blistering, peeling, and sun fading during this period as well. > > However the possible advantages of acrylic paints were several. Being water soluable, they were much safer to handle and did not require thinners to "cut" and clean up. They are also great for paint "washes" for weathering. I mostly paint with a brush, having been taught how way back before air brushes were common. Brushing requires very good paint and brushes. > > Eventually I found Testors Polly Scale and really liked it. The pigments are ground very fine and the paint covers nicely without covering up small details. Here are the base colors I use for all modeling: > > I found that "Steam Power Black" is very much like old American Flyer black plastic used for boiler and tender shells. It is also a good "generic" black for many uses. So I keep a couple bottles on hand all the time. > > My second most used color is "Undercoat Lt. Gray." Rebuilding and kit bashing (customizing would really be more accurate) junkers requires a LOT of this, which I use as a primer/sealer. I also use this color as "old" graphite for smokeboxes, dirty "white" running board stripes and wheel tires too. I keep a couple of these on hand at a time as well. > > I like "ATSF Silver" for freshly graphited smokeboxes, and other uses where "generic" silver is called for. I keep one bottle on hand. (Unfortunately I have to use Model Master "Gold" enamel for "brass" surfaces such as bells and railings, and it quickly shows it's shortcomings compared to the silver acrylic paint.) > > I use "Reefer White" and "Reefer Yellow" (one bottle each) for their normal use and for hanrails and warning colors where appropriate. One bottle of "Caboose Red" is my universal red color. > > I also keep a bottle of "PRR Tuscan" and "Boxcar Red" for their normal use and for cab roofs, tender decks, and weathering "old rust" washes. > > Beyond those base colors, I keep a bottle of each color which I use for the roads I model, including my own Rock Ridge Route and Stone Lines. Your needs will probably differ beyond the base colors. > > > I also use Polly Scale for car and airplane modeling and shoot a couple of coats of Testors Gloss or Dullcoat over the Polly Scale as required for the model. I'll stock an extra bottle of the base colors from now on, or until I find a replacement for Testors products. > > I bought a few of those multi-comparment plastic boxes at the crafty store and use it to store paint. The paint bottles lie on their sides to allow easy reading of lables and so that the pigment doesn't settle to the bottom of the bottle. While stirring acrylic paints is advisable, you can often get bottles stored on their sides to mix well just by shaking them. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72411	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 5/29/2013
Subject: Re: Cherry Switch

hi Don-- I have 3 on order!! and thanks again for your help. Thanks CJB Clement J Bianchi ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Abrams To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cherry Switch Clement, It's been 4 years. I honestly don't remember how the wires are attached. Order more than one just in cast things don't go as planned! Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72412	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/30/2013
Subject: For sale: ready-to-run starter sets

In the coming weeks, I will be putting together a series of ready-to-run starter sets. The first is already on my website and more will be coming as I get engines running for them. <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_sets.html> Bob Graves [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72413	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 5/30/2013
Subject: For sale: NIB Lionel Flyer sets

I have for sale the following Lionel Flyer sets. All are in mint condition in their original boxes. The set boxes for the four passenger sets are in incredible condition! I've never seen set boxes in this condition outside of a store. The separately-sold add-on engines and cars are also available for these passenger sets and for the Northern Pacific set. - 49600 Union Pacific Pony Express passenger set - 49601 Missouri Pacific passenger set - 49604 Western Pacific California Zephyr passenger set - 49606 Silver Flash passenger set Pictures and TM guide book values are on my website: <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_sets.html> The complete HAR#4 New York Central freight set Is also listed on the S For Sale page. It was not sold in a set box. <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html> Make me an offer I can't refuse. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72414	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/30/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale Colors

Badger's Accu-flex came along early in the acrylic paint era. We stocked it for a time at the hobby shop I worked at for 22 years and I tried a few bottles because I had become aware of the health risks of solvent paints. Accu-flex didn't cover well and tended to separate so that you ended up mixing clumps of pigment and liquid that never fully remixed. It would even separate right on the shelf before we could sell it! Customers complained and the shop dropped it. I continued to use Floquil Railroad Colors with Toulene until Polly Scale went on the shelves. As to Model Flex, I would hope by now that the formula has been perfected, but I have not tried it. Perhaps someone else out there in "S land" with Model Flex experience could tell us more? Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72415	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/30/2013
Subject: In Search Of : TRUCKS!!!

Advance apologies for the cross-posting... but I'm posting this to as many groups as I can to get the best coverage and fastest results... I am in search of TWO specific type of trucks (plastic or brass - doesn't matter) : 1. Taylor CABOOSE Trucks. Taylor FREIGHT trucks were made by SouthWind Models, but they would require modification to leaf springs configuration instead of coil springs. I can use the SWM freight trucks if all else fails. I just need ONE pair... but I'll take as many as I can find) Photo reference : www.trainweb.org/seaboard/S&A256Truck.jpg 2. Not sure what type these are... Possibly Buckeye... but with leaf springs instead of coil springs. Photo reference : www.trainweb.org/seaboard/S&A255Truck00.jpg I suspect these to be Buckeye trucks as, aside from the use of coil springs instead of leaf springs, they seem to very closely match the HO Buckeye truck offered by Tahoe Model Works (as seen at link below). http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/tahoe/FLYER106.pdf I just need one pair. If anyone out there in S scale land has anything like these or knows where I can find it, please let me know ASAP. Thanks in advance. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72416	From: Thorin Marty	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Possible CNS&M Electroliners in S from KND

Good evening: I received this quote from John at www.pknd.com for Electroliners in S Scale. THORIN I HAVE GONE OUT AND REQUESTED QUOTES FOR THE S SCALE ELECTROLINERS GOT QUOTES FROM TWO SEPARATE SOURCES. SIT DOWN SIT DOWN SIT DOWN AND PUT ON YOUR SEAT BELT & GET A GOOD STRONG SOME THING TO DRINK BASICALLY THE PRICING IS SIMILAR ALL IN US DOLLARS THIS IS TOOLING CHARGES AND DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ACTUAL CAR KITS ONE PIECE RESIN UNITS "A" SECTION BODY (FRONT & REAR CAR) =$750.00 "B" SECTION BODY = $250.00 "C" SECTION BODY = $250.00 FLOOR AND UNDERBODY PARTS ALL "A","B",& "C" SECTIONS= $300.00 INTERIORS ON FLOOR "A","B" & "C" SECTIONS = $250.00 TRUCK FRAMES = $200.00 THE ABOVE PRICING IS A DRAFTING CHARGE TO DO THE ARTWORK WHICH I HAVE NO INPUT THIS IS A NEW WAY OF DOING MODELS I INTEND TO LEARN THIS SYSTEM BUT IT WILL TAKE A WHILE FOR ME TO GET GOOD AT IT QUOTED PRICE FROM DRAFTER WHO LIVES IN FRANCE WHO'S SAMPLES LOOKED GOOD WITH SOME TWEAKING (DRAFTING THE ENTIRE CAR WITH TRUCK FRAMES, UNDERBODY PARTS AND INTERIOR FOR GOOD QUALITY S-SCALE MODEL WOULD MEAN 8 DAYS OF WORK PROBABLY EVEN A LITTLE MORE COUNTING $250.00 FOR A DAY IT WOULD MEAN A TOTAL OF $2000.00 THE ONLY PROBLEM I SEE IS THAT HE LIVES IN FRANCE AND THE KITS WOULD BE MADE THERE IF YOU WANT I CAN TALK TO SEVERAL MODELERS WHO HAVE USED HIM AND SEE IF ANY CONCERNS EXIST BECAUSE OF THE HIGH TOOLING COST IT WOULD BE WISE TO BE SURE THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE INTERESTED TO SHARE IN THE TOOLING COST UP FRONT LET ME KNOW YOUR VERDICT JOHN I am kicking in $200.00 (10%) for the mold work. Once the molds are paid for, each completed set would probably retail for about $200.00. (John will set the final price.) John has always given me a 10% - 20% discount when I pay for the mold work. The models will still be missing paint, trolley poles, and power. I plan to receive one (1) Electroliner. I estimate you can complete your model for about $400.00 with two powered trucks. My cost will be higher because I will add Con-Cor's Electroliner DCC sound decoder. Yes, Con-Cor sells their decoders WITHOUT a model -- they are so listed on the website. The real Electroliners have four power trucks; the center truck is not powered. I know this is a big price tag but remember this is a really four interurbans lashed together so the unit price is much lower. John works fast. I estimated delivery would be either late this year or early next year. Anyone else interested? If so, contact John at pknd@.... Just remember to put 'KND' into the subject line so it gets sorted from John's business e-mails. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72417	From: LB	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale colors

> >I also use Steam Power Black for AF touchup, and have stocked up on that. However I have a problem with most other colors. I am usually trying to match the color of something I have or am repairing, and can't find a match. Recently I took a part to the store and matched it perfectly with the color sample on the Polly Scale paint rack. O course after I got it home and tried it, it was several shades lighter. I've never understood why the color samples never quite match what you actually get. Herb paflyrman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72418	From: billadams30	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Downsizing

I thought I posted this yesterday but think I lost it in cyberspace! We are downsizing and my trains have to go. I have three sets and accessories mostly from 1948-1949 +/-. What is the best way to sell them? Sell as sets or by the piece? I know I can't get the same value for them as I value the memories. They mostly are my original sets. They are not in excellent or very good shape....I run them. No boxes. To clean them up would be false advertising. I don't want to get rich but need to supplement my Social Security! I've got a 4611, 48T and a 4803A plus some other stuff (370 GP7 switcher). Need some advice!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72419	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale colors

Always remember no matter what paint you use that dark colors dry lighter and light colors dry darker. George from LBR From: LB <hblanier@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:55 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Useful Polly Scale colors   > >I also use Steam Power Black for AF touchup, and have stocked up on that. However I have a problem with most other colors. I am usually trying to match the color of something I have or am repairing, and can't find a match. Recently I took a part to the store and matched it perfectly with the color sample on the Polly Scale paint rack. O course after I got it home and tried it, it was several shades lighter. I've never understood why the color samples never quite match what you actually get. Herb paflyrman > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72420	From: Jim	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: all aboard panels

hi:in the all aboard panels what would be the best way to replace the eyelets that are missing where you would put the spring in to hold them together?the spring that connects one panel to another.any help would be appreciated.thanks.jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72421	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/31/2013
Subject: Digital Photography

Gentlemen.. While this message may be slightly off strict topic, I think most of us have an interest in model railroad photography. The NMRA-affiliated S SCALE SIG has just posted an interesting 30-page publication on its web site. Easy to download and interesting. Best of all - it is FREE !! Hope you enjoy it. Brooks Stover's outstanding "A Model Railroader's Guide to Digital Photography" is available as a .pdf download. Brook's guide first appeared on Model Railroader magazine's website. Brooks has generously allowed the S SCALE SIG to post this document on their site. If you haven't read it yet and you plan on taking any pictures of your layout, you owe it to yourself to check it out directly at: http://sscale.org/s-scale-resources/model-railroaders-guide-to-digital-photo graphy/ Or, look under the 'S Scale Products & Resources' tab on the S SIG's home page at: http://sscale.org/ Cheers..Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72422	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale colors

The color temperature of the lighting in the store is different from that in your home. Just got through having my house painted and discovered in looking at color samples that color even changes in sunlight with the time of day. Also texture and gloss of the paint will also change the perception of color. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LB Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 4:56 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Useful Polly Scale colors > >I also use Steam Power Black for AF touchup, and have stocked up on that. However I have a problem with most other colors. I am usually trying to match the color of something I have or am repairing, and can't find a match. Recently I took a part to the store and matched it perfectly with the color sample on the Polly Scale paint rack. O course after I got it home and tried it, it was several shades lighter. I've never understood why the color samples never quite match what you actually get. Herb paflyrman > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72423	From: James Lyle	Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: Re: Useful Polly Scale colors

I once had an 8' paint color display and it had multiple light "temperature" spaces to compare the values of the same color chip Jim "guest of the VA" Lyle. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2013, at 2:59 AM, "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote: > The color temperature of the lighting in the store is different from that in > your home. Just got through having my house painted and discovered in > looking at color samples that color even changes in sunlight with the time > of day. Also texture and gloss of the paint will also change the > perception of color. > > > > Jerry F. > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of LB > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 4:56 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Useful Polly Scale colors > > > > > > >> >> I also use Steam Power Black for AF touchup, and have stocked up on that. > However I have a problem with most other colors. I am usually trying to > match the color of something I have or am repairing, and can't find a match. > Recently I took a part to the store and matched it perfectly with the color > sample on the Polly Scale paint rack. O course after I got it home and tried > it, it was several shades lighter. I've never understood why the color > samples never quite match what you actually get. > > Herb > paflyrman > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72424	From: JOHN KEATING	Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: Re: all aboard panels

Hello Jim, To repair the eyelets/rivets is to replace them with old stock eyelets as sold by Hobby Surplus Sales of New Britain, CT. You will need to purchase an eyelet setting tool and a bolt or another flat stock to place in a vise to back up the eyelet. Place the formed eyelet in the panel from the top side and set the eyelet from the under side. The original eyelets were at times too short and when the eyelet was set by machine the tie strip or the panel were damaged in the process. I have found it is best to purchase longer eyelets than the original ones and try fitting them and marking the new length and cut the eyelet to size by exacto saw or dremel tool with a cut off wheel. Also you may want to view Chuck Harrington's site regarding All Aboard Panels. Good Luck with your restoration. John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72425	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/2/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 2, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72426	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 6/1/2013
Subject: 734 Operating Boxcar

Greetings! One of our Club members came up with a Gilbert 734 operating boxcar and we need some parts to make it workable. We need a "third rail"(712?), control button, and the "boxes". If you have any/or all of these parts that you can spare, please contact me off list at charles_hancock@.... Thanks for any help you can provide and best wishes, Charlie, West Michigan S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72427	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/2/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/2/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 2, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72428	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: "The Junkyard" Part Three

The June Stumpy's Station is up at Chuck Harrington's http://myflyertrains.org . In "The Junkyard" Part Three it's time to build some junk cars for your S gauge salvage yard. So warm up your Dremel motor tools, sharpen your hobby saws, and get ready to do some damage! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72429	From: David	Date: 6/3/2013
Subject: CJ Bashing Project Up Date

Well, some good news and some bad. First the "GOOD NEWS". Our machine shop is working on the motor spacers and we should have them by months end. These spacers allow the kit basher to in stall the standard 1/2" motor from any AF (1946 - 1966) steamer into the Casey Jones. We are in talks with a company in Wisconsin to build some 5/8" motors which, from now on out, will be called the CJ LARGE MOTOR. Now the BAD NEWS. The metal drive gear will take some more time. The company in NEW JERSEY wanted more than a CJ costs to buy in make the gears. So, unfortunately we must talk to the Chinese unless there is a gear MFG. in the USA that wants to do business with us at a reasonable price. Also we have found out that the plastic gear in the CJ will last a long time if you just drill the center of the drive axle and eposy a steel pin in it. Then using a file of the same thickness make two (2) vertical slots and epoxy the gear in place. The gear teeth are very good but it is quite easy to strip the gear on the axle. Pinning the gear eliminates this and thus makes the gear last. Down side to this action is that you must destroy the plastic gear to remove it. We are also in the process of building some prototypes of some old time 4-4-0's including the 4-4-0 VIRGINIAN. We will be posting photos of the progress on the prototypes here in our album. So far we can re-manfacture a CJ engine shell with only three (3) initial cuts. Please stay tuned in ;o) LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72430	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/4/2013
Subject: Re: "The Junkyard" Part Three

Hi Stumpy, Don't forget the tried and true ball peen hammer approach. A few good whacks to the front end makes a realistic "where'd that telephone pole come from" head-on collison. And a few good whacks to the side makes a good t-bone collsion. In addition to using these wrecks in the junkyard you can also model a pretty good collision on the roadways of your layout. Great fun to be had with "wrecked" vehicles! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The June Stumpy's Station is up at Chuck Harrington's http://myflyertrains.org . In "The Junkyard" Part Three it's time to build some junk cars for your S gauge salvage yard. So warm up your Dremel motor tools, sharpen your hobby saws, and get ready to do some damage! > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72431	From: David	Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Kit Bashing The AF Casey Jones Album

We have opened a new album here to cronical the kit bashing of an American Flyer Casey Jones E&T unit. The name of the album is #1 CJ to VIRGINIAN. If you are interested in a GREAT PROJECT for this year why not give it a try. This is not an expensive project due to the low cost of the Casey Jones E&T units to start with. However we will have new parts at our web site dedicated to the CJ E&T's which will make them come alive for the basher and peak the interest in others. One of the newest parts will be a 5/8" motor. These new motors are made professionally just for LBR Enterprises,llc by THE BALTS MOTOR WORKS in Wisconsin. As most AF operators already know the later AF steamers had a 5/8" barrel commutator style motor which required a special brush block. Our new motor has a flat face style commutator due to the limited space for the vertical nature of the CJ chassis. This new motor is just one step below the LARGE 3/4" motors and one step above the standard 1/2" motor which the majority of the AF steamers had. This new motor is also two steps up from the 3/8" motor installed in the #21165 & #21166 CJ's. Also noted is the fact that these new motors may be used in any steamer that has the 1/2" motor. Thank you for attention to this latest project. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72432	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: MTH Electric Trains S Gauge Newsletter - June 5, 2013

MTH Home My MTH Product Locator MTH News MTH Service Contact Us June 2013 S Gauge Product Spotlight: Rebuilt Steel Box Car June 5, 2013 - Each month, M.T.H. will be spotlighting various items from our 2013 S Gauge catalog. This month's feature will focus on the Rebuilt Steel Boxcar which is slated to begin delivering this September. These cars are available for order now through any M.T.H. Authorized Retailer or direct at special pre-order prices from the M.T.H. Online Store. During and after World War I, American railroads took delivery of tens of thousands of boxcars built to USRA designs: single or double-sheathed wooden sides, wooden doors, and steel ends, roofs and underframes. By the late 1920s, however, all-steel cars had become the norm, although new car construction slowed to a crawl during the Depression. A cheaper alternative was rebuilding older USRA cars, replacing the wooden sides and doors with steel and re-using the existing underframe, ends, and/or roofs. Brake systems were also upgraded, from the earlier K-brake to the more modern AB brake system. As World War II loomed and traffic began to pick up, railroads upgraded thousands of USRA boxcars to all-steel construction, usually doing the work in their own shops. Rebuilding programs continued through and after the war, and steel rebuilt cars were a common sight into the late 1950s, with many serving into the following decade. While rebuilt car details often differed from railroad to railroad, a spotting feature common to most of the cars was the sill brackets added to the existing underframe side sills — a feature replicated on these M.T.H. models. These sill brackets supported new steel sides that were spaced father apart than the old wooden sides, making a wider car with greater carrying capacity. Each well-detailed M.T.H. 1/64th scale S Gauge Rebuilt Steel Box Car rides atop die-cast trucks with all metal wheels and axles. Opening car doors and separate handrails complement the quality paint and artwork decoration. Each car is outfitted with two American Flyer compatible couplers. Each car also comes equipped with pre-drilled Kadee compatible coupler mounting pads for those who prefer a more scale appearance. Hi-rail wheel sets can be quickly replaced with separately sold scale wheel sets. AVAILABLE IN Item No. 35-74001 Christmas Rebuilt Steel Box Car Item No. 35-74002 Boston & Maine Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 73022) Item No. 35-74003 Boston & Maine Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 73025) Item No. 35-74004 New Haven Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 36154) Item No. 35-74005 New Haven Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 36150) Item No. 35-74006 New York Central Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 174992) Item No. 35-74007 New York Central Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 174995) Item No. 35-74008 Norfolk & Western Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 43628) Item No. 35-74009 Norfolk & Western Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 43630) Item No. 35-74010 Western Maryland Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 29076) Item No. 35-74011 Western Maryland Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 29083) Item No. 35-74012 Santa Fe Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 145002) Item No. 35-74013 Santa Fe Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 145005) Item No. 35-74014 Union Pacific Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 181679) Item No. 35-74015 Union Pacific Rebuilt Steel Box Car (Car No. 181680) WHERE TO BUY The M.T.H. S Gauge Rebuilt Box Car can be ordered through any M.T.H. Authorized Retailer or from the M.T.H. Online Store. To see the entire 2013 M.T.H. S Gauge product line, click HERE. Follow Us On © 2013 M.T.H. Electric Trains 7020 Columbia Gateway Drive, Columbia, MD 21046 (410)381-2580 © 2013 M.T.H. Electric Trains 7020 Columbia Gateway Drive, Columbia, MD 21046 (410)381-2580 Sent to: howingsiii@... Unsubscribe MTH Electric Trains 7020 Columbia Gateway Drive Columbia, MD 21046 USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72433	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: MTH Electric Trains S Gauge pricing

After all of the teeth gnashing, whining and prognosticating that MTH S prices would be through the roof, I see on closer examination of the catalog that they are pretty much in line with the old SHS. Since I am in the market for track I took special notice that the price for six pieces of the MTHSHS is actually a couple dollars LESS than the last price by SHS. Cars are about the same. I would expect the engines to be higher because they have more electronics. According the catalog, the engines will run with just about any system, but that is not a concern for me since I will be DCS and Lionel Legacy anyway. Cheers, Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72434	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/6/2013
Subject: Re: Kit Bashing The AF Casey Jones Album

What is this project supposed to end up as? All I saw was 7 photos of a kit bash in progress. Dale On 6/6/2013 6:07 AM, David wrote: > > > We have opened a new album here to cronical the kit bashing of an > American Flyer Casey Jones E&T unit. > > The name of the album is #1 CJ to VIRGINIAN. If you are interested in > a GREAT PROJECT for this year why not give it a try. > > This is not an expensive project due to the low cost of the Casey Jones > E&T units to start with. However we will have new parts at our web site > dedicated to the CJ E&T's which will make them come alive for the > basher and peak the interest in others. > > One of the newest parts will be a 5/8" motor. These new motors are made > professionally just for LBR Enterprises,llc by THE BALTS MOTOR WORKS in > Wisconsin. > > As most AF operators already know the later AF steamers had a 5/8" > barrel commutator style motor which required a special brush block. Our > new motor has a flat face style commutator due to the limited space for > the vertical nature of the CJ chassis. This new motor is just one step > below the LARGE 3/4" motors and one step above the standard 1/2" motor > which the majority of the AF steamers had. This new motor is also two > steps up from the 3/8" motor installed in the #21165 & #21166 CJ's. > > Also noted is the fact that these new motors may be used in any steamer > that has the 1/2" motor. > > Thank you for attention to this latest project. > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72435	From: David	Date: 6/7/2013
Subject: CASEY JONES Modifications New Page (Advertisement)

We have just opened a NEW PAGE at our web site dedicated to kit bashing the AF Casey Jones E&T units. A photo of a real CJ may be viewed there also. To view please use this link: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> Thank you for your support [:)] LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72436	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/7/2013
Subject: 1987 Greenberg's Pocket Price Guide

I have a Fifth Edition, Copyright 1987, Greenberg's Pocket Price Guide and Inventory Checklist to AMERICAN FLYER S GAUGE, by Jack Fazenbaker. There are three words underlined in the book. Other than that, the book is in excellent condition. There is a price tag of $5.95 and it is labeled for the TOY TRAIN MUSEUM. I think it was in Strasborg that I purchased it. I will mail it to the first person offering $1.50, payable by check. Otherwise it goes in the trash. - Earl Henry 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, TN 37205-3443 . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72437	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/7/2013
Subject: Flyonel Mikado for sale (Southern 4501)

I have a Flyonel Mikado for sale. It is the Southern 4501 in green with gold trim. I purchased this new from Jim Lyle's Toy Trains in 2009 and have never opened the box. It is for sale for $420 including an estimated $20 for shipping and insurance. Payment by check is preferred. - Earl Henry 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, TN 37205-3443 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72438	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/7/2013
Subject: Re: 1987 Greenberg's Pocket Price Guide - Has been sold

The Greenberg's Pocket Price Guide has been sold. - Earl Henry In a message dated 6/7/2013 4:44:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tennsgauge@... writes: I have a Fifth Edition, Copyright 1987, Greenberg's Pocket Price Guide and Inventory Checklist to AMERICAN FLYER S GAUGE, by Jack Fazenbaker. There are three words underlined in the book. Other than that, the book is in excellent condition. There is a price tag of $5.95 and it is labeled for the TOY TRAIN MUSEUM. I think it was in Strasborg that I purchased it. I will mail it to the first person offering $1.50, payable by check. Otherwise it goes in the trash. - Earl Henry 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, TN 37205-3443 . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72439	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/8/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/9/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 9, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72440	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/9/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/9/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 9, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72441	From: David	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: R.E.A. Decal Special, 48 hrs. "ONLY" (Advertisement)

We have an over run of R.E.A. decals so it is time for you to stock up and save money at the same time. REG: $1.25 NOW: $0.75 At our Web Site. Use the link below to get there. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> Thank You For Looking. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72442	From: Ben	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Armature assembly needed

I recently purchased an AF handcar with tipple cars. When it arrived, I realized that the commutator on the armature is toast (much of it missing!) So, I need an XA12A213 armature. I am pretty sure the brushes are those used on diesel motors, so I am good there. Any chance one of you has a junk frame with a good armature? Are these available new (no...I haven't checked our favorite S gauge vendors yet...though that will come soon!) Thanks for any leads or assistance you can give me. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72443	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed

________________________________ Bob Hannon should be able to fix the armature. - John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72444	From: rudypenne	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed

Try Steve & Sam at SnS Trains E-Mail snstrains @ aol.com In a message dated 6/10/2013 2:41:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lbstiles@... writes: I recently purchased an AF handcar with tipple cars. When it arrived, I realized that the commutator on the armature is toast (much of it missing!) So, I need an XA12A213 armature. I am pretty sure the brushes are those used on diesel motors, so I am good there. Any chance one of you has a junk frame with a good armature? Are these available new (no...I haven't checked our favorite S gauge vendors yet...though that will come soon!) Thanks for any leads or assistance you can give me. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72445	From: DonR	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: AF Fast Track

Has anyone on this list constructed, or is contemplating doing so, a layout using AF Fast Track? I am in the process of building a large layout and am considering it. After bringing out boxes of AF track and roadbed I am not sure that the effort of cleaning it is worth while, even though all is in excellent condition. Too many operators have told me the perils of using older track and having voltage drops, etc.. It is essential for me to use sectional track. I understand from MTH that S trax will not be available until October or later. I do like the lengths of the Fast track much better than the S trax. The one concern I have is the depth of the rail. It appears to be about 1/16th inch shorter than the original AF. Any comments or sharing of experiences will be appreciated. Thanks. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72446	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed

Hi Ben You can try either Doug Peck at portliness or Tom Seccia at triple s supplies they may have one Good luck stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Armature assembly needed I recently purchased an AF handcar with tipple cars. When it arrived, I realized that the commutator on the armature is toast (much of it missing!) So, I need an XA12A213 armature. I am pretty sure the brushes are those used on diesel motors, so I am good there. Any chance one of you has a junk frame with a good armature? Are these available new (no...I haven't checked our favorite S gauge vendors yet...though that will come soon!) Thanks for any leads or assistance you can give me. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72447	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed

For best results send the chassis to S'nS for a can motor conversion & bushings , The hand car was already poorly designed / under powered & then Gilbert added those 3 mine cars and it got a real work out , thats why your armature is shot , If you just replace the armature & brushes the same thing will happen again , also check the field as it is probably cooked too . Ron. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72448	From: Steven Allen	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed

Ben, Although I can't help you with your needs, there are many fine S Scale vendors who monitor this page. I would highly recommend Doug Peck from Port Lines Hobbies (www.portlines.com/email - doug@...). Very accomodating, has a huge selection of AF replacement parts. Check out his website for hours he's available for a telephone call (978-465-8798), or email him directly. Good Luck! Steven Allen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > I recently purchased an AF handcar with tipple cars. When it arrived, I realized that the commutator on the armature is toast (much of it missing!) > > So, I need an XA12A213 armature. I am pretty sure the brushes are those used on diesel motors, so I am good there. > > Any chance one of you has a junk frame with a good armature? Are these available new (no...I haven't checked our favorite S gauge vendors yet...though that will come soon!) > > Thanks for any leads or assistance you can give me. > > Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72449	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/10/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

First, let me say that I like scale-like appearance. Consequently I do not really want any form of original American Flyer track, for my own layout. That having been said, I still have an interest in your subject because of a grandchild and great-nephews who would like to have a train layout. Scale track is not what they need. I hope that the AF Fast Track will be a solution for these youngsters. It all depends on whether the AF Fast Track turnouts are reliable and durable. That's the big question, as it has been for other track systems. I have gotten excited about new track systems before, only to discover that the turnouts were unsatisfactory. Without reliable and durable turnouts, a track system is worthless. Lets wait and see the early feedback after the new AF Fast Track turnouts are shipped. If the new AF Fast Track turnouts are a disappointment, then I would look to the American Models track system. You have sectional track including curves in three radii. The AM turnouts work extremely well with high rail equipment and you can purchase them with electric switch machines. But there is only one size turnout, a nice size, but too large a radius to not lend themselves to a small layout . These are my thoughts. I will be interested in reading what others have to say. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 6/10/2013 6:34:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, af2rail@... writes: Has anyone on this list constructed, or is contemplating doing so, a layout using AF Fast Track? I am in the process of building a large layout and am considering it. After bringing out boxes of AF track and roadbed I am not sure that the effort of cleaning it is worth while, even though all is in excellent condition. Too many operators have told me the perils of using older track and having voltage drops, etc.. It is essential for me to use sectional track. I understand from MTH that S trax will not be available until October or later. I do like the lengths of the Fast track much better than the S trax. The one concern I have is the depth of the rail. It appears to be about 1/16th inch shorter than the original AF. Any comments or sharing of experiences will be appreciated. Thanks. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72450	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 6/11/2013
Subject: Aluminum Passenger Car Kits?

Greetings! Thanks for the suggestions offered for getting the 734 operational! One of our club members passed along a set of 3 aluminum passenger cars that resemble the Flyer 66X cars for possible restoration. The cars look to have been "kits" as they have wooden floors, scale trucks and wheel sets, a variety of scale couplers and diaphragms. The observation car is the same length as the Flyer 663. The "coaches" are about 2" longer then Flyer coaches. There is an open frame chassis that appears to be made from "pot Metal". Wish I knew how to send pictures .... My questions to the group .... does anyone know what these might be? These will most likely run on Flyer track so, as the trucks are breaking or have broken, are trucks and wheel sets available that might work, current ones mount with a screw? Can the cars be lighted through the trucks? Will the 15" cars negotiate Flyer track curves? What couplers might be used, there are slots in the frame and a screw hole? How might I clean the pot metal frame as it is quite oxidized? Should this frame be painted or blackened? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie, West Michigan S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72451	From: snstrains	Date: 6/11/2013
Subject: Re: Armature assembly needed

I have some.....This is really a suck motor however. There are better options. Steve SnS Trains. In a message dated 6/10/2013 3:41:20 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, lbstiles@... writes: I recently purchased an AF handcar with tipple cars. When it arrived, I realized that the commutator on the armature is toast (much of it missing!) So, I need an XA12A213 armature. I am pretty sure the brushes are those used on diesel motors, so I am good there. Any chance one of you has a junk frame with a good armature? Are these available new (no...I haven't checked our favorite S gauge vendors yet...though that will come soon!) Thanks for any leads or assistance you can give me. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72452	From: David A. Avedesian, PE, RPA	Date: 6/11/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

Don R: I am an AF/SHS/AM Hi-Rail Operator by my definition. I use only AF track and switches as my track of choice for the following reasons: 1) I can get great track operations reliability, 2) When I spray paint the track with flat black paint at $0.99/can, I can achieve a uniform "clean" look of track, 3) I then install 2-wooden ties in between each metal tie and ballast the track using the "gray" rubber ballast from Scenic Express, 4) I can cut and modify the track and switches to give me any configuration of track work that I could imagine, 5) I can cut the "S" curve out of any back-to-back switch or curve-to-curve track layout by reducing the arc of radius from 30 degrees to 15 degrees (1/2 curve section) and then insert a short piece of straight track. This is the best thing I have learned from others when modifying the AF track system. No "S" curve equals "Miles of Smiles" of operational reliability. I have been able to run my engines for over 8 hours straight with no derailment at all. It is a beautiful thing. 6) The entire track system is proven to work, 7) I can cut off the AF motor and trim the AF switches to "fit" anywhere on my layout, 8) I can cut the curve section of the switch just beyond the frog and reduce my centerline (CL)-to-centerline (CL) distance from 5" to 2-1/2". I have an 11 yard ladder at 2-1/2" CL's where in the same space it would have been a 6 yard ladder at 5" CL's. I can make the modifications to the switches without effecting the original AF switch operation 9) When I cut the AF twin coil motors off, I can power the switches with any mfg. of an under the layout motor system. This allows me to compress any switching operations into a very small space, and 10) Most of all I can get a great looking, reliable, flexible design system for very little money. When you can buy straights and curves for an average of $0.25/track, there is no limit to your budget. I enjoy the creative modeling that the above gives to me. AC Gilbert AF track system may not be for everyone, but for me, it is why I love this hobby. There is no one best way, just works best for you. I hope you find the path that works best for you. "Run em fast, I love the smell of smoke" David Avedesian Member Baltimore American Flyer Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72453	From: mike gardner	Date: 6/11/2013
Subject: 766 Guilford station

I recently purchased a 766 Guilford station to restore and use on my layout. The mat has broken loose from the vibrating mechanism and one of  the connector pieces is missing. Does anyone know what the connector part or washer shaped part  number is and if some are available? I would also like to know what type of cement to use to glue the mat back to the vibrator. Please accept my THANKS  for all the help that I have gotten in  the past from members of the group and THANKS for any help with this post!!          Many Thanks again. Mike Gardner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72454	From: tennsgauger	Date: 6/11/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

I have heard from a few American Flyer operators who know how to tweak the switches to get good operation. Obviously you have been able to do that. But I do not know how to do it, and I have never been able to get reliable operation using them. From my point of view, the switches are the second great weakness of American Flyer trains, second only to the old reverse units. The reverse units can easily be fixed, either by converting to DC or by use of an electronic reverse unit. But the switches have always been a nemesis to me. I applaud you that you can get those switches to operate reliably. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 6/11/2013 8:50:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, david.avedesian@... writes: Don R: I am an AF/SHS/AM Hi-Rail Operator by my definition. I use only AF track and switches as my track of choice for the following reasons: 1) I can get great track operations reliability, 2) When I spray paint the track with flat black paint at $0.99/can, I can achieve a uniform "clean" look of track, 3) I then install 2-wooden ties in between each metal tie and ballast the track using the "gray" rubber ballast from Scenic Express, 4) I can cut and modify the track and switches to give me any configuration of track work that I could imagine, 5) I can cut the "S" curve out of any back-to-back switch or curve-to-curve track layout by reducing the arc of radius from 30 degrees to 15 degrees (1/2 curve section) and then insert a short piece of straight track. This is the best thing I have learned from others when modifying the AF track system. No "S" curve equals "Miles of Smiles" of operational reliability. I have been able to run my engines for over 8 hours straight with no derailment at all. It is a beautiful thing. 6) The entire track system is proven to work, 7) I can cut off the AF motor and trim the AF switches to "fit" anywhere on my layout, 8) I can cut the curve section of the switch just beyond the frog and reduce my centerline (CL)-to-centerline (CL) distance from 5" to 2-1/2". I have an 11 yard ladder at 2-1/2" CL's where in the same space it would have been a 6 yard ladder at 5" CL's. I can make the modifications to the switches without effecting the original AF switch operation 9) When I cut the AF twin coil motors off, I can power the switches with any mfg. of an under the layout motor system. This allows me to compress any switching operations into a very small space, and 10) Most of all I can get a great looking, reliable, flexible design system for very little money. When you can buy straights and curves for an average of $0.25/track, there is no limit to your budget. I enjoy the creative modeling that the above gives to me. AC Gilbert AF track system may not be for everyone, but for me, it is why I love this hobby. There is no one best way, just works best for you. I hope you find the path that works best for you. "Run em fast, I love the smell of smoke" David Avedesian Member Baltimore American Flyer Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72455	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: 766 Guilford station

Mike, We have those "buttons", at $2 each. I don't know the actual Gilbert part # for it. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72456	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

David... Thanks for the effort you extended to the group in writing this message in such detail. That information really helps me personally. I have seen your railroad on two occasions and your trackage does indeed look quite realistic for what would ordinarily be traditionally toy train like. Wishing everyone in the Baltimore Group well. Gene Cimino Hanover, PA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72457	From: Ray Puls	Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Fw: AF Switches

----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> >To: "S-Trains@..." <S-Trains@...> >Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:39 AM >Subject: AF Switches > > > >Dave, >Why not share with this group some of the techniques that you use in getting your AF switches to work reliably and also for modifying to close up the center distance of the rails, I'm sure many would be interested in hearing these ideas. >Ray > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72458	From: afjeff_56	Date: 6/13/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

I think you guys missed the question! The question was has anyone on the list been using the new American Flyer Fast track? and how is it working with the old American Flyer Engines and the older Rolling Stock? How is the depth of the older flange's working with this new Fast Track? This is a question also I'm interested in ... Thank's, Jeff S...... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "DonR" <af2rail@...> wrote: > > Has anyone on this list constructed, or is contemplating doing so, a layout using AF Fast Track? I am in the process of building a large layout and am considering it. After bringing out boxes of AF track and roadbed I am not sure that the effort of cleaning it is worth while, even though all is in excellent condition. Too many operators have told me the perils of using older track and having voltage drops, etc.. It is essential for me to use sectional track. I understand from MTH that S trax will not be available until October or later. I do like the lengths of the Fast track much better than the S trax. The one concern I have is the depth of the rail. It appears to be about 1/16th inch shorter than the original AF. Any comments or sharing of experiences will be appreciated. Thanks. > Don >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72459	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

Jeff, The only problem I have heard is that the post-war picukups can slide down beside the inside rail on the new Fastrack and when the engine pulls around to the next straight it derails. According my LHS, the problme is fixed on the next batch of track will be produced, including the wide radius. Rolling stock is not a problem Personally I love the new stuff. Seems to work quite well with some Flyer and SHS and AM. Roy Inman. From: afjeff_56 <afjeff_56@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:37:56 +0000 To: DonR <af2rail@...>, S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Fast Track I think you guys missed the question! The question was has anyone on the list been using the new American Flyer Fast track? and how is it working with the old American Flyer Engines and the older Rolling Stock? How is the depth of the older flange's working with this new Fast Track? This is a question also I'm interested in ... Thank's, Jeff S...... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "DonR" <af2rail@...> wrote: > > Has anyone on this list constructed, or is contemplating doing so, a layout using AF Fast Track? I am in the process of building a large layout and am considering it. After bringing out boxes of AF track and roadbed I am not sure that the effort of cleaning it is worth while, even though all is in excellent condition. Too many operators have told me the perils of using older track and having voltage drops, etc.. It is essential for me to use sectional track. I understand from MTH that S trax will not be available until October or later. I do like the lengths of the Fast track much better than the S trax. The one concern I have is the depth of the rail. It appears to be about 1/16th inch shorter than the original AF. Any comments or sharing of experiences will be appreciated. Thanks. > Don > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72460	From: Dr Trains	Date: 6/14/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

I have some of the new Lionel "Fast Track"...it looks very similar to SHS sectional track, rail height is very close to same (code 132 or so), no older AF or s-scale will have a problem on track..switches are another matter, as they are not available yet to my knowledge. Only newer Lionel production could have a problem, since all their flanges seem to be way over sized (maybe based on O-27/O-gauge flanges????)... Now to suitability for young ones or the less cordinated, in my opinion the track sections are "hard" to push together and hard to pull apart with out risk of bending or damage..the Lionel Fast Track overall is a real improvement in appearance. Would suggest using regular tried and true AF track and switches...much lower in cost and much more suitable for young people...with the rubber roadbed ...looks even better. Electrical jumpers should be routinely run to track every 3 - 5 ft. intervals, cleaning track pins with wire brush and putting a very slight kink will assure better electrical continuity. Peter Loeb ________________________________ From: afjeff_56 <afjeff_56@...> To: DonR <af2rail@...>; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Fast Track   I think you guys missed the question! The question was has anyone on the list been using the new American Flyer Fast track? and how is it working with the old American Flyer Engines and the older Rolling Stock? How is the depth of the older flange's working with this new Fast Track? This is a question also I'm interested in ... Thank's, Jeff S...... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "DonR" <af2rail@...> wrote: > > Has anyone on this list constructed, or is contemplating doing so, a layout using AF Fast Track? I am in the process of building a large layout and am considering it. After bringing out boxes of AF track and roadbed I am not sure that the effort of cleaning it is worth while, even though all is in excellent condition. Too many operators have told me the perils of using older track and having voltage drops, etc.. It is essential for me to use sectional track. I understand from MTH that S trax will not be available until October or later. I do like the lengths of the Fast track much better than the S trax. The one concern I have is the depth of the rail. It appears to be about 1/16th inch shorter than the original AF. Any comments or sharing of experiences will be appreciated. Thanks. > Don > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72461	From: David A. Avedesian, PE, RPA	Date: 6/14/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

To all that have problems with AF switches: I too have the same problem of getting reliable operation from the AF switch. My solution is to install a Capacitor Discharge (CD) system. It works on the same principal as a camera flash. It stores energy and when you push the "button" a burst of energy will power the switches and it does so without burning out the coils. The CD system that I installed will real move the oldest, crankiest switches know to how hobby. There may be other methods, but the one above for me is simple and so far 20 years reliable. And that is a beautiful thing, David Avedesian Member Baltimore American Flyer Club [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72462	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/14/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

I find that the new Flyonel Fastrack is easier to assemble than either the SHS or the old Gilbert tubular. The only way I could put together a large number of sections of the tubular is if I had one of those track assembly thingys that that guy makes and sells in the train mags. I also like the fact that the Flyonel Fastrack has holes already drilled for screws. I also like the electrical connector method. That tubular stuff with those tiny, sharp pins is, IMHO, a real pain. Love the way it looks and especially with the roadbed, it is really cool, but hard on the pinkies. There is an adapter section that Lionel sells that mates with the old tubular, and I ASSUME that It would work with Gilbert turnouts. Yes, those new Fastrack turnouts are pricey: $99 list, each. Roy Inman From: Dr Trains <dtrains@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:04:46 -0700 (PDT) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>, DonR <af2rail@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Fast Track I have some of the new Lionel "Fast Track"...it looks very similar to SHS sectional track, rail height is very close to same (code 132 or so), no older AF or s-scale will have a problem on track..switches are another matter, as they are not available yet to my knowledge. Only newer Lionel production could have a problem, since all their flanges seem to be way over sized (maybe based on O-27/O-gauge flanges????)... Now to suitability for young ones or the less cordinated, in my opinion the track sections are "hard" to push together and hard to pull apart with out risk of bending or damage..the Lionel Fast Track overall is a real improvement in appearance. Would suggest using regular tried and true AF track and switches...much lower in cost and much more suitable for young people...with the rubber roadbed ...looks even better. Electrical jumpers should be routinely run to track every 3 - 5 ft. intervals, cleaning track pins with wire brush and putting a very slight kink will assure better electrical continuity. Peter Loeb ________________________________ From: afjeff_56 <afjeff_56@... <mailto:afjeff_56%40yahoo.com> > To: DonR <af2rail@... <mailto:af2rail%40yahoo.com> >; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Fast Track   I think you guys missed the question! The question was has anyone on the list been using the new American Flyer Fast track? and how is it working with the old American Flyer Engines and the older Rolling Stock? How is the depth of the older flange's working with this new Fast Track? This is a question also I'm interested in ... Thank's, Jeff S...... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "DonR" <af2rail@...> wrote: > > Has anyone on this list constructed, or is contemplating doing so, a layout using AF Fast Track? I am in the process of building a large layout and am considering it. After bringing out boxes of AF track and roadbed I am not sure that the effort of cleaning it is worth while, even though all is in excellent condition. Too many operators have told me the perils of using older track and having voltage drops, etc.. It is essential for me to use sectional track. I understand from MTH that S trax will not be available until October or later. I do like the lengths of the Fast track much better than the S trax. The one concern I have is the depth of the rail. It appears to be about 1/16th inch shorter than the original AF. Any comments or sharing of experiences will be appreciated. Thanks. > Don > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72463	From: Timboy	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Avedesian, PE, RPA" <david.avedesian@...> wrote: > > To all that have problems with AF switches: > > > > I too have the same problem of getting reliable operation from the AF > switch. > > > > My solution is to install a Capacitor Discharge (CD) system. It works on > the same principal as a camera flash. It stores energy and when you push > the "button" a burst of energy will power the switches and it does so > without burning out the coils. The CD system that I installed will real > move the oldest, crankiest switches know to how hobby. > > > > There may be other methods, but the one above for me is simple and so far 20 > years reliable. > > > > And that is a beautiful thing, > > > > David Avedesian > > Member > > Baltimore American Flyer Club > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I also cut down my AF switches and use vintage Flyer track; been doing that for years as well. It's the only system I have found that inexpensively handles all sizes of vintage flanges, slider shoes, etc. But to power the switches, I use an old pre-war transformer that can deliver a shocking 20 volts. http://displaylayoutsrule.blogspot.com/ Regards, Tim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72464	From: David	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: ATTN: All Repairmen (Advertisement)

It has come to our attention that there are "S" repairmen that also repair "O" American Flyer. We have been approached by several of these repair people to produce a single axle quartering tool with the same design as our "S" single axle quartering tools for the pre 1946 AF 3/16th " "O" steamers. Our machine shop is now making CAD drawings to produce this much needed tool for the "O" scale AF repair shops. Do to the larger size of this tool the price will be $149.50 which includes FREE shipping. We will announce when this tool is ready for sale. Please remember that when ordering these new tools that there is a 14 - 21 working day time frame before they will ship as they are not produced before they are ordered. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72465	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

Hi Roy, Are the rails steel or nickel-silver? Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 6/14/2013 11:31 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > I find that the new Flyonel Fastrack is easier to assemble than either the > SHS or the old Gilbert tubular. The only way I could put together a large > number of sections of the > tubular is if I had one of those track assembly thingys that that guy makes > and sells in the train mags. I also like the fact that the Flyonel Fastrack > has holes already drilled for screws. I also like the > electrical connector method. > > That tubular stuff with those tiny, sharp pins is, IMHO, a real pain. Love > the way it looks and especially with the roadbed, it is really cool, but > hard on the pinkies. > > There is an adapter section that Lionel sells that mates with the old > tubular, and I ASSUME that It would work with Gilbert turnouts. Yes, those > new Fastrack turnouts are pricey: $99 list, each. > > Roy Inman > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72466	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

I agree with David Avedesian on using a CD system with AF switches. We use a momentary 20 volts to throw the switches about 3 times a minute on our modular Super 8 layout. Plus these switches are reliable as we get more than 10,000 throws before a failure, and then it is only the rod from the solenoid core that pulls out of the link assembly (which is easily fixed by re-crimping it or threading it and adding a nut). Gilbert really built these switches to last.   Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ########### [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72467	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/16/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 16, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72468	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/15/2013
Subject: Re: AF Fast Track

Nickel-Silver Roy From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:29:45 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF Fast Track Hi Roy, Are the rails steel or nickel-silver? Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 6/14/2013 11:31 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > I find that the new Flyonel Fastrack is easier to assemble than either the > SHS or the old Gilbert tubular. The only way I could put together a large > number of sections of the > tubular is if I had one of those track assembly thingys that that guy makes > and sells in the train mags. I also like the fact that the Flyonel Fastrack > has holes already drilled for screws. I also like the > electrical connector method. > > That tubular stuff with those tiny, sharp pins is, IMHO, a real pain. Love > the way it looks and especially with the roadbed, it is really cool, but > hard on the pinkies. > > There is an adapter section that Lionel sells that mates with the old > tubular, and I ASSUME that It would work with Gilbert turnouts. Yes, those > new Fastrack turnouts are pricey: $99 list, each. > > Roy Inman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72469	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/16/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/16/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 16, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72470	From: sioneli80	Date: 6/17/2013
Subject: Modular brick warehouse sections.

I used to sell these 6 at a time but some guys told me it was more than they could use. I'm now offering them one at a time, buy as many or a few as you need. These work great for doing backdrops in industrial or yard areas http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Modular-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3-Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121128417485?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c33d0f8cd Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72471	From: David	Date: 6/17/2013
Subject: AMERICAN STYLE 4-4-0 From an AF CJ

We have added three NEW PHOTOS of another AF Casey Jones kit bash project at our album here at #1 CJ to VIRGINIAN This engine is now about the size of the AF FRANKLIN engine and just another reason to try your hand at kit bashing an AF Casey Jones E&T. This one when completed will feature a DALLEE #400 electronic reversing unit, smike and chuff (original CJ unit #21168), LED headlight plus front and rear LED marker lights. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72472	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/17/2013
Subject: Re: AMERICAN STYLE 4-4-0 From an AF CJ

I do like the look and anticipate the next steps with delight. Will you change the motor to a can? Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 6/17/2013 11:38 AM, David wrote: > We have added three NEW PHOTOS of another AF Casey Jones kit bash > project at our album here at > #1 CJ to VIRGINIAN > This engine is now about the size of the AF FRANKLIN engine and just > another reason to try your hand at kit bashing an AF Casey Jones E&T. > > This one when completed will feature a DALLEE #400 electronic reversing > unit, smike and chuff (original CJ unit #21168), LED headlight plus > front and rear LED marker lights. > > LBR > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72473	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 6/18/2013
Subject: Re: AMERICAN STYLE 4-4-0 From an AF CJ

Bill,      No can motor on this one. Probably the 1/2" motor or maybe, if they are ready, the new larger 5/8" motor.      These Casey Jones E&T's offer so much varity for the kit bashing hobbiest it is really hard to decide which engines to actually build.      Thank you for your interest in our projects.      Please stay tuned in for more. Dave LBR From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMERICAN STYLE 4-4-0 From an AF CJ   I do like the look and anticipate the next steps with delight. Will you change the motor to a can? Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 6/17/2013 11:38 AM, David wrote: > We have added three NEW PHOTOS of another AF Casey Jones kit bash > project at our album here at > #1 CJ to VIRGINIAN > This engine is now about the size of the AF FRANKLIN engine and just > another reason to try your hand at kit bashing an AF Casey Jones E&T. > > This one when completed will feature a DALLEE #400 electronic reversing > unit, smike and chuff (original CJ unit #21168), LED headlight plus > front and rear LED marker lights. > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72474	From: fredalles	Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: American Flyer 6-48249 TCA Colorado Yule Marble Flatcar

I recently sold a Lionel American Flyer 6-48249 TCA Colorado Yule Marble Flatcar with marble load. Since then. I have a nice request to see if I had another one, which I don't. The man wanting this car served at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier for years and that Tomb was made of the same stone from the Colorado Marble Quarry used on this car. He is also a train collector/operator so he was hoping to have something as a reminder of his past service at the Tomb. So, does anyone have one they would like to part with that we could meet his request?? If so, send me an email and we will see how we can proceed. Thanks!! Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72475	From: Jay	Date: 6/19/2013
Subject: Operations

This is a old ebay auction, but look at the layout. I would say this guy was an operator (no room at all for scenery) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-American-Flyer-S-Gauge-Train-Layout-/321103062950?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D216%26meid%3D7113671944292437201%26pid%3D100084%26prg%3D1115%26rk%3D7%26sd%3D261203686944%26&ssPageName=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A3160&nma=true&si=fwWKYYpDmLwpbu3wrSXA7GNSHaw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72476	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Operations

Jay and all...It certainly looks like a layout which could be an "Operation" enthusiast's dream. However, it could also be someone with a LOT of track and equipment, cramming all they could into limited space. This became VERY common back in the fifties and sixties for both Toy Train fans and Model Railroaders and became known as a "Spaghetti Bowl" layoutbecause every inch was covered with track to the point the layout looked like spaghetti. Even the Model press of the time tended to design this sort of layout for readers. Eventually, most Model Railroaders moved away from this style as they gained more layout space or moved to the smaller scales (HO, TT, N, and eventually Z),and wanted a more realistic appearance where scenery and structures took up more area, as they do in the real world. After all, if real life trackage were this dence, where would businesses go or people live? However, this sort of layout is still fairly common with Toy Train fans. There is less demand for scenery and structures and more need to fit trackage for display of trains and operating accessories into a layout space. The trend is often to get as many trains running at the same time as possible, so multiple loops of track are wanted. Actually, there is no right or wrong way to build a layout whether you're a Scale Modeler or Toy Train fan. It's YOUR layout, so have fun with whatever you're doing! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72477	From: robertgromen	Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: Operations

Yeah, all track and not an inch for scenery, Yuk! That must have been very boring just seeing nothing but engines and cars running around in a circle. I still see some of the same ideas today in the train mags when they show a suggested track plan and there is no or little room for scenery. What are they thinking? Too often this type of layout results in the builder becoming bored pretty quick and giving up on model railroading. John Allen would "roll over in his grave" looking at this for a layout. LOL Robert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72478	From: Mike Leahy	Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer 6-48249 TCA Colorado Yule Marble Flatcar

I am also looking to buy the TCA Colorado Yule Marble Flatcar. Was out of the State during the convention that year & missed getting this flatcar. Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72479	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/20/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer 6-48249 TCA Colorado Yule Marble Flatcar

I have 3 of them...... #1 is the Lionel prototype.... #2 is the first car produced and all of the Lionel factory original artwork..... Sold only as a set....... $900.00.... I also have about 20 other prototype cars only.... Might consider offers on whole lot..... I also have 1 other car in the box without the load ........ A fellow in Denver might have another load......Bob --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Mike Leahy <gmichael.leahy@...> wrote: From: Mike Leahy <gmichael.leahy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Flyer 6-48249 TCA Colorado Yule Marble Flatcar To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 10:36 AM   I am also looking to buy the TCA Colorado Yule Marble Flatcar. Was out of the State during the convention that year & missed getting this flatcar. Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72480	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations

All the comments so far are accurate relative to the track laid on that board. But what if you wanted lots of track for operation and display of what you have or made with your own hands. Let's say for the discussion that you didn't want or fell capable in the areas of scenery and structure building. As an alternative to this "bowl of pasta" one could build an around the wall layout, (if space permits) where you have a simple backdrop to give the illusion of distance. Even just some sky blue paint works. Add to this a couple of low relief building fronts. Then you have all that remaining space for track on the bench work itself. The bottom line is that you create a more believable world where the trains are the main actors on a stage where you have created a theatrical background setting. The idea of trains being the actors on a stage is not a new one. My memory fails me as to who first described it, but it was someone of note I'm sure, Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72481	From: David	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: #(21)234 Decal Set Plus "NEW"

We have added a "DECAL SET PLUS" for the American Flyer diesel engine number "234" produced from 1959 - 1961. This decal set, as far as we know, is the first one on the market and is a dead on perfect set for the repairmen in the group. This set is at our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page05.html> Thak you all for your continuing support. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72482	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations

<<...As an alternative to this "bowl of pasta" one could build an around the wall layout, (if space permits) where you have a simple backdrop to give the illusion of distance...Gene Cimino >> One of my favorite examples is the V&O.. http://mrr.trains.com/~/media/import/files/pdf/f/c/6/ra.pdf Sure would make a great pike in S.. Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72483	From: Rich	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations

I agree with Stumpy's last point - there isn't a right/wrong way to do this. Spaghetti bowl railroading has its place - especially if your situation is like mine - no permanent layout. So when one does get the time and space to set up a layout, 'real' scenery isn't possible. Accessories and some snap together plasticville structures are usually the best I can do. So I liked some aspects of the eBay layout - the possibility of doing some switching, car spotting and train assembly along with the good ol' many-times-around-the-oval mainline operation. My fun at the moment is learning to program and use an Arduino micro-computer to control crossing flashers, block signals, etc. It'll all end when my wife wants to know when she can have our dining room back... - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Jay and all...It certainly looks like a layout which could be an "Operation" enthusiast's dream. However, it could also be someone with a LOT of track and equipment, cramming all they could into limited space. > > This became VERY common back in the fifties and sixties for both Toy Train fans and Model Railroaders and became known as a "Spaghetti Bowl" layoutbecause every inch was covered with track to the point the layout looked like spaghetti. Even the Model press of the time tended to design this sort of layout for readers. > > Eventually, most Model Railroaders moved away from this style as they gained more layout space or moved to the smaller scales (HO, TT, N, and eventually Z),and wanted a more realistic appearance where scenery and structures took up more area, as they do in the real world. After all, if real life trackage were this dence, where would businesses go or people live? > > However, this sort of layout is still fairly common with Toy Train fans. There is less demand for scenery and structures and more need to fit trackage for display of trains and operating accessories into a layout space. The trend is often to get as many trains running at the same time as possible, so multiple loops of track are wanted. > > Actually, there is no right or wrong way to build a layout whether you're a Scale Modeler or Toy Train fan. It's YOUR layout, so have fun with whatever you're doing! > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72484	From: rudypenne	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations

The layout pictured is really a good "Rail Yard" there is room for control towers & signals & if added to with another 5x10 for a town with trees etc, would work out just fine. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 In a message dated 6/21/2013 11:20:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, richs009@... writes: I agree with Stumpy's last point - there isn't a right/wrong way to do this. Spaghetti bowl railroading has its place - especially if your situation is like mine - no permanent layout. So when one does get the time and space to set up a layout, 'real' scenery isn't possible. Accessories and some snap together plasticville structures are usually the best I can do. So I liked some aspects of the eBay layout - the possibility of doing some switching, car spotting and train assembly along with the good ol' many-times-around-the-oval mainline operation. My fun at the moment is learning to program and use an Arduino micro-computer to control crossing flashers, block signals, etc. It'll all end when my wife wants to know when she can have our dining room back... - Rich --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Jay and all...It certainly looks like a layout which could be an "Operation" enthusiast's dream. However, it could also be someone with a LOT of track and equipment, cramming all they could into limited space. > > This became VERY common back in the fifties and sixties for both Toy Train fans and Model Railroaders and became known as a "Spaghetti Bowl" layoutbecause every inch was covered with track to the point the layout looked like spaghetti. Even the Model press of the time tended to design this sort of layout for readers. > > Eventually, most Model Railroaders moved away from this style as they gained more layout space or moved to the smaller scales (HO, TT, N, and eventually Z),and wanted a more realistic appearance where scenery and structures took up more area, as they do in the real world. After all, if real life trackage were this dence, where would businesses go or people live? > > However, this sort of layout is still fairly common with Toy Train fans. There is less demand for scenery and structures and more need to fit trackage for display of trains and operating accessories into a layout space. The trend is often to get as many trains running at the same time as possible, so multiple loops of track are wanted. > > Actually, there is no right or wrong way to build a layout whether you're a Scale Modeler or Toy Train fan. It's YOUR layout, so have fun with whatever you're doing! > Stumpy in Ahia > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72485	From: zemouse2001	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations

Totally agree with you, Gene. When the 'world' quiets down a bit, my layout will be exactly that - just a simple around the wall, minimal scenery but lots of room to let the train run. Not even much in the way of sidings. Just a yard (for making up trains but with a run around in case you don't need to go to the yard) and a couple of sidings/industries. And lots of main line to just let those trains run. Ah. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Cimino" <ecphora123@...> wrote: > > All the comments so far are accurate relative to the track laid on that board. But what if you wanted lots of track for operation and display of what you have or made with your own hands. Let's say for the discussion that you didn't want or fell capable in the areas of scenery and structure building. > > As an alternative to this "bowl of pasta" one could build an around the wall layout, (if space permits) where you have a simple backdrop to give the illusion of distance. Even just some sky blue paint works. Add to this a couple of low relief building fronts. Then you have all that remaining space for track on the bench work itself. The bottom line is that you create a more believable world where the trains are the main actors on a stage where you have created a theatrical background setting. The idea of trains being the actors on a stage is not a new one. My memory fails me as to who first described it, but it was someone of note I'm sure, > > Gene Cimino >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72486	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations

If you were even to slightly vary the height of some of the track here and there, that would add some visual interest as well. You could even add a few small styrofom landforms just to make the thing look less flat. This discussion is good as it makes me/us think. In the recent S Gaugian, Stumpy wrote about doing what you yourself are comfortable with and prefer to tackle. I like building structures, but have little feel for freight car construction. I like scenery, but would be lost building a turnout from scratch. The bottom line is don't compare what you have or do to what others have done. Judging or measuring your work against what you see in a magazine can be an exercise in frustration. Then again, I like to feed my creative imagination with what I see others do. Making mistakes is normal and you learn from it as you go. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72487	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations

As we used to say..."There's more than one way to skin a cat." I used to see Spaghetti Bowl layouts and track plans in Model Railroader and Model Railroad Craftsman all through the fifties and well into the sixties, despite the leadership of guys like John Allen who did Operations AND great structures and scenery. The trends changed toward a more balanced track vs scenery approach in the late sixties, except among toy train enthusiasts. But that is to be expected because the focus of both types of "playing with trains" tends to differ rather widely. I have long been a proponant of the around the wall shelf layout as the best use of space to get the longest mainline in a given area. This also allows for more widely spaced sidings for operations to happen. And Gene's point of easy backdrop style scenery not only is easier, but takes up less space on a shelf. A siding can serve a false front building as easily as a fully build structure. However, a layout like the one offered on eBay would be great for someone who mostly likes "yard work" and switching. With all the "choke points" that would be on such a layout, "switching puzzles" would be a natural consequence. Even a simple oval with teo short sidings in opposite corners can be used for Operations, with cars picked up at one siding then being delivered to the other, such as an oil refinery "Tank Farm" at one site deilivering oil to a local oil dealer at the other siding. There are any number of possiblities. I guess I've gotten somewhat lazy after having built over 35 layouts for myself, for others, and with friends, and in several different scales. These days I tend to like layouts where I can just watch trains go by. Anything from a portable loop to a Spaghetti Bowl to an around the room shelf, to a massive basement filling empire can allow "train watching." There is no "wrong way" to build and operate a layout, there is just "YOUR way." Each layout is not only the product of different individuals' creativity and skill, but also their likes and dislikes. Even a 4x4' board with a circle of track can be made as individual as a fingerprint! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72488	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/21/2013
Subject: Re: Operations

Keeping that same Rail Yard track arrangement, you can slightly vary the height of some of the track here and there, that would add visual interest as well. You could even glue down a few small styrofom landforms to that flat surface just to make the overall thing look a bit better. Maybe even a few ditches. This discussion is good as it makes me/us think. In a recent S Gaugian, Stumpy wrote about doing what you yourself are comfortable with and prefer to tackle. Personally, I like building structures, but have little feel for freight car construction. I like scenery, but would be lost building a turnout from scratch. The bottom line is don't compare what you have or do to what others have done. Judging or measuring your work against what you see in a magazine can be an exercise in frustration. Then again, what we see in magazines like CTT, The Dispatch and S Gaugian feeds the creative imagination. Making mistakes is normal and you learn from it as you go. As Stumpy said in that piece he wrote, there is no right and wrong way to do it. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72489	From: traindavid	Date: 6/22/2013
Subject: Operations

While planning any layout, don't forget the eye tricking features that make your train appear longer, and the "run" longer. The easiest and most effective one I know is to hide the train, if only for a car length or two, with a building, a hillside (track going through a cut), or a tunnel. None of these have to be very long at all to create the illusion. This also gives your layout some interesting visual features. When I was a youth, I read lots of books on layout building--I think I was the main borrower of the Siskiyou County Library system's only copy of "The Complete Book of Model Railroading." A few years ago I found a copy at a train show dirt cheap and snagged it, if only for the memories! I think the author's last name was Sutton?? Hey, it's the weekend! (and for once I have it off--yikes!) so go out there and have fun. Now if my dial up would only let me look at the big L Christmas catalog. . . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72490	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/22/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/23/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 23, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72491	From: David	Date: 6/23/2013
Subject: CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Project Up Date

We have added 2 NEW PHOTOS of our progress in the latest Casey Jones kit bashing project. The engine is starting to look more like an original AMERICAN STYLE loco. Notice the rear drivers are now under the cab as the real ones were. Also the engine is about the size of the AMERICAN FLYER 4-4-0 Franklin. Take a look at our album here at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list?o\ rder=ordinal <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list?\ order=ordinal> Thank you for your interest in this project. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72492	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/23/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/23/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 23, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72493	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/23/2013
Subject: Re: CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Project Up Date

I certainly enjoy this series with all of the step-by-step photos. Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 6/23/2013 12:25 PM, David wrote: > We have added 2 NEW PHOTOS of our progress in the latest Casey Jones kit > bashing project. > > The engine is starting to look more like an original AMERICAN STYLE > loco. Notice the rear drivers are now under the cab as the real ones > were. Also the engine is about the size of the AMERICAN FLYER 4-4-0 > Franklin. > > Take a look at our album here at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list?o\ > rder=ordinal > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list?\ > order=ordinal> > > Thank you for your interest in this project. > > LBR > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72494	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 6/23/2013
Subject: Re: CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Project Up Date

Bill,      Thank you. It is truly a lot of FUN Dave LBR From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Project Up Date   I certainly enjoy this series with all of the step-by-step photos. Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 6/23/2013 12:25 PM, David wrote: > We have added 2 NEW PHOTOS of our progress in the latest Casey Jones kit > bashing project. > > The engine is starting to look more like an original AMERICAN STYLE > loco. Notice the rear drivers are now under the cab as the real ones > were. Also the engine is about the size of the AMERICAN FLYER 4-4-0 > Franklin. > > Take a look at our album here at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list?o\ > rder=ordinal > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list?\ > order=ordinal> > > Thank you for your interest in this project. > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72495	From: David	Date: 6/24/2013
Subject: CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Starter Units?

We have been contacted by several members here as to where they can buy CJ trains to kit bash. The best and least expensive place are train shows. Next is on line web sites. Lastly is Ebay. We have a few to sell at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> for $39.00 ea. but we must ask only one (1) per address. This price includes shipping in CONUS. All units function. We reserve the right to select the road name and number of the unit. For further information about this subject please contact George at lbrenterprisesllc@... <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...> Thank you all for your continuing support. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72496	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/25/2013
Subject: Re: CASEY JONES Kit Bashing Starter Units?

I can supply as many Casey Jones as you would like for kit bashing. Cost is $25 plus shipping. All are guaranteed to run, although you may have to replace a loose wire on some. My choice of roadname. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ########### [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72497	From: David	Date: 6/25/2013
Subject: REPAIREMAN'S SPECIAL (Advertisement)

"5 DAY SALE ONLY". Now you can save 10% on the 8 most essential tools on any American Flyer repairman's work bench. Produced especially for American Flyer "S" steam engines sold between 1946 & 1966 (not for 0-6-0 & 0-8-0 engines but we can furnish these tools at a reduced price for the duration of this sale). These are tools that you will never have to buy again. To view/purchase use the link below http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html> Thank you for looking. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72498	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/26/2013
Subject: 21004 Exploded View Needed

Hi All, I just got a 21004 and it looks like a shade tree mechanic with a large hammer worked on the motor. Several wires are broken and the reverse unit appears to be mounted wrong. I applied voltage to the main leads and nothing. The drive wheels do not move at all. So I'm thinking a complete tear down is in order. Also I have no idea how the boiler light is installed. The wiring is there but nothing else. No socket - nothing. HELP!!!! Does anyone have an exploded view that I could use as a reference? My repair books don't have anything related to the 21004. Thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72499	From: bob_ep5	Date: 6/26/2013
Subject: A couple of questions

Good evening everyone, A few weeks ago I saw a box full of AF trains at a flea market in Jersey. Lets just say a needful lot. There was a K5, a Santa Fe PA, a pair of silver bullet coaches in satin and a bunch of other stuff including a Marx 70 ton engine. Everything else was flyer. I bought the lot for $55.00. Actually my wife bought it for me. She's a keeper almost 35 years now. Upon closer inspection, I found the K5 has the super motor! It gets better. I cleaned up and lubed the Marx engine and sold it on ebay for $40. Not bad eh? Below are the questions part. The K5 die cast tender was warped on both sides. One side slightly, the other like an S almost. It didn't look to me like a drop or mishandling. Has anyone seen similar issues with aging diecasts? I know of the warping issues with some of the plastic cars, but this is the first time I saw this with a AF diecast part. Does or has anyone made parts or anything model train related with a 3D printer? The price has come down on decent 3D printers. Some of the younger engineers I work with have bought them. I am contemplating making an investment in one. All comments are appreciated. Finally, every June for the last ten years I went to S Helper Services open house. Always had a good time and picked up some bargains. So to Don, Robin and the crew you're missed and thought of fondly. Maybe MTH can pick up the tradition? Maryland ain't that far! Regards Bob Moyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72500	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/26/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Exploded View Needed

I have an exploded view for a 21004 in my parts catalog. Gilbert never made one. Tom Seccia Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 21004 Exploded View Needed   Hi All, I just got a 21004 and it looks like a shade tree mechanic with a large hammer worked on the motor. Several wires are broken and the reverse unit appears to be mounted wrong. I applied voltage to the main leads and nothing. The drive wheels do not move at all. So I'm thinking a complete tear down is in order. Also I have no idea how the boiler light is installed. The wiring is there but nothing else. No socket - nothing. HELP!!!! Does anyone have an exploded view that I could use as a reference? My repair books don't have anything related to the 21004. Thanks, David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72501	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/27/2013
Subject: Re: A couple of questions

Hi Bob, � The K-5 tender shell may be Pre War or early S.  They used some dirty metal to make many of the locomotives and tenders and there was quite a few that warped and broke easy. A lot of 3/16" "O" replacement parts I sell are cast metal. Tom Seccia � Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: bob_ep5 <romoyer1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 8:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A couple of questions   Good evening everyone, A few weeks ago I saw a box full of AF trains at a flea market in Jersey. Lets just say a needful lot. There was a K5, a Santa Fe PA, a pair of silver bullet coaches in satin and a bunch of other stuff including a Marx 70 ton engine. Everything else was flyer. I bought the lot for $55.00. Actually my wife bought it for me. She's a keeper almost 35 years now. Upon closer inspection, I found the K5 has the super motor! It gets better. I cleaned up and lubed the Marx engine and sold it on ebay for $40. Not bad eh? Below are the questions part. The K5 die cast tender was warped on both sides. One side slightly, the other like an S almost. It didn't look to me like a drop or mishandling. Has anyone seen similar issues with aging diecasts? I know of the warping issues with some of the plastic cars, but this is the first time I saw this with a AF diecast part. Does or has anyone made parts or anything model train related with a 3D printer? The price has come down on decent 3D printers. Some of the younger engineers I work with have bought them. I am contemplating making an investment in one. All comments are appreciated. Finally, every June for the last ten years I went to S Helper Services open house. Always had a good time and picked up some bargains. So to Don, Robin and the crew you're missed and thought of fondly. Maybe MTH can pick up the tradition? Maryland ain't that far! Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72502	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/27/2013
Subject: Re: A couple of questions

Tom is right about the metalurgy in the Twenties and Thirties. They were trying different alloy blends in those days and toy manufacturers tended to become Guinea Pigs without realizing it or caring. NOBODY in the toy business then ever considered that these things would be around as long as they have been or have ANY value! I have seen a LOT of diecast and slush cast toy autos which twist out of shape due to metal shrinkage, or crumble into chunks and granuals. Until well after World War Two, there were hundreds of small cast toy outfits which owned molds but had foundries do the casting with whatever "left over" metals they had, in order to save money. This was not limited to "lower end" toys either. In my 22 years associated with a local hobby shop which bought toy trains, I saw NUMEROUS examples of alloy disintegration on pre-WWII trains. There is no way to reliably "fix" these toys as they are self destructing from within and will break. Early Lionel, Flyer, Marx, Dorfan, and others all had these problems. Some items seem particularly prone to bad "pot metal." Lionel Standard Gauge loco drivers got so bad so quickly that Bowser has been making reproductions of them since the late fifties! Lionel's famous "Scale" Hudson and freight cars have real problems with poor alloys too. Finding those in excellent shape has become quite rare, aa most already show the problem. Parts that look good originally, appear to swell or "explode" and then crumble due to certain alloys breaking down, while a different alloy might draw in on itself and warp from shrinkage as years pass. Living in an area where steel mills and foundries were once common, we had this explained to us many times at the shop. Standards were improved for the war effort, and most (not all) of this ended at that time. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72503	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/27/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Exploded View Needed

Tom, How would I get a copy of the catalog? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > I have an exploded view for a 21004 in my parts catalog. Gilbert never made one. > Tom Seccia > Triple"S"Supplies > > > > > ________________________________ > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 8:14 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 21004 Exploded View Needed > > > >   > Hi All, > > I just got a 21004 and it looks like a shade tree mechanic with a large hammer worked on the motor. Several wires are broken and the reverse unit appears to be mounted wrong. I applied voltage to the main leads and nothing. The drive wheels do not move at all. So I'm thinking a complete tear down is in order. Also I have no idea how the boiler light is installed. The wiring is there but nothing else. No socket - nothing. HELP!!!! > > Does anyone have an exploded view that I could use as a reference? My repair books don't have anything related to the 21004. > > Thanks, > > David > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72504	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/27/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Exploded View Needed

Hi David, Please go to my email seccia@...� I can also supply you with parts for the 21004 as I have mostly original parts in stock for that switcher.  The catalog also has exploded views for boxcars, gondolas, hopper, tank cars, flat cars, 499 Electric and passenger cars that Gilbert never issued. � Tom Seccia � Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 21004 Exploded View Needed   Tom, How would I get a copy of the catalog? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > I have an exploded view for a 21004 in my parts catalog. Gilbert never made one. > Tom Seccia > Triple"S"Supplies > > > > > ________________________________ > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 8:14 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] 21004 Exploded View Needed > > > >   > Hi All, > > I just got a 21004 and it looks like a shade tree mechanic with a large hammer worked on the motor. Several wires are broken and the reverse unit appears to be mounted wrong. I applied voltage to the main leads and nothing. The drive wheels do not move at all. So I'm thinking a complete tear down is in order. Also I have no idea how the boiler light is installed. The wiring is there but nothing else. No socket - nothing. HELP!!!! > > Does anyone have an exploded view that I could use as a reference? My repair books don't have anything related to the 21004. > > Thanks, > > David > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72505	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 6/28/2013
Subject: Four AF items added for sale

Hi S-Gaugers.  I have added 4 additional American Flyer items to my website at http://www.americanflyertrains4u.com/.%c2%a0 They are as follows:   719 maroon automatic dump car with button, connector repro tray and bag of coal for $85.00   973 Milk operating car with stand, button, connector and 4 milk cans for $150.00   100 watt 22030 AF transformer in great condition for $45.00   and, a 110 watt 15B transformer in the original box for $85.00   Take a look.  Nice items to add to your train operations.   Have a great day and the upcoming weekend everyone.   Bob in Tennessee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72506	From: flywelder2	Date: 6/28/2013
Subject: Where can I get rubber road bed for A.F. track ?

I would like to learn what my cost would be for the road bed and perhaps a whistling bill board, and a replacement truck with a knuckle coupler?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72507	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/28/2013
Subject: American Models Track, etc...

A neighbor of mine has asked me to throw together a small layout for him and his grandkids... so... I am looking for a good source for discounted (or used, but in good condition) American Models track - curved and straight sections, turnouts and crossings. I could also use a power supply (transformer) if affordable. He also wants to find a good condition steam engine (and tender) (or two) WITHOUT a motor so the kids can go the HANDS-ON route and push them around the track. These folks don't have a lot of money to play with, but would still prefer to go with the American Models track as it is more realistic than the original AF/Gilbert track... and it's rail is large enough to accomodate the old AF/Gilbert wheels his few models have. Please contact me offline if you can help. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72508	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Track, etc...

I would be willing to send old AF track for the cost of shipping. It would need some attention. To: S-Trains-Traders@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com From: Scaler164@... Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:01:01 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] American Models Track, etc... A neighbor of mine has asked me to throw together a small layout for him and his grandkids... so... I am looking for a good source for discounted (or used, but in good condition) American Models track - curved and straight sections, turnouts and crossings. I could also use a power supply (transformer) if affordable. He also wants to find a good condition steam engine (and tender) (or two) WITHOUT a motor so the kids can go the HANDS-ON route and push them around the track. These folks don't have a lot of money to play with, but would still prefer to go with the American Models track as it is more realistic than the original AF/Gilbert track... and it's rail is large enough to accomodate the old AF/Gilbert wheels his few models have. Please contact me offline if you can help. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72509	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: A.F. Items Listed

Group, I am the webmaster of a local model railroad shop here in Houston (Papa Ben's Train Place). The owner just had me post some consignment American Flyer items to his web site. I am just posting this here to let you know (the owner does not know I am doing this). I just figured it might be nice to know for those of you who collect older A.F items. They are passenger and freight cars and two transformers. Here's the link, if you are interested: http://www.papabens.com/ConsignmentsS.htm Contact the store for more info. Have a great weekend! - Peter. -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72510	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Track, etc...

Have you considered American Flyer Pikemaster Track? A lot cheaper than American Models track and realistic enough for a kids layout. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72511	From: racin510	Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Models Track, etc...

With kids that young I would think realism of the look of the track would be irrelevant. Perhaps more relevant might be introducing them to model railroading with a dose of ACG history, a significant element of which included very realistic 2-rail track. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John Degnan" <Scaler164@...> wrote: > > A neighbor of mine has asked me to throw together a small layout for him and his grandkids... so... I am looking for a good source for discounted (or used, but in good condition) American Models track - curved and straight sections, turnouts and crossings. I could also use a power supply (transformer) if affordable. > > He also wants to find a good condition steam engine (and tender) (or two) WITHOUT a motor so the kids can go the HANDS-ON route and push them around the track. > > These folks don't have a lot of money to play with, but would still prefer to go with the American Models track as it is more realistic than the original AF/Gilbert track... and it's rail is large enough to accomodate the old AF/Gilbert wheels his few models have. > > Please contact me offline if you can help. > > Thanks. > > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72512	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/29/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/30/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 30, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72513	From: David	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: Another CJ Bashing Project Up Date

We have added two more photos of our CASEY JONES kit bashing project. These photos are of the engine shell with black primer applied. May be viewed here at our album using the link below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/148428\ 1291/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/14842\ 81291/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc> We have noticed that there seams to be a few more CASEY JONES engines on Ebay for sale at around $15.00 plus shipping. Join in and bash your own CJ to AMERICAN STYLE 4-4-0. Photos of the CJ tender bashing are next up. A very simple and straight forward modification. A cut after the coal bunker and just before the water hatch. Please stay tuned in for more up dates this week. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72514	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring

All, I've looked at wiring diagrams for the 21004 reverse unit on line and have found several. Unfortunately the ones that are legible are also inconsistent. Some show the lower connectors on the reverse unit going to the field and others show them going to the brushes. Does anyone have a clear wiring diagram showing what goes where? There are six wires and seven connections so trying random combinations is almost as hard as picking the lottery! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72515	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/30/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 30, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72516	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring

3 wires go the one brush, one from the smoke unit, one from the top of the reverse unit and one from the plug. 2 wires go from the bottom of the reverse unit to the field, one wire goes from the lower connection  of the reverse unit to the other brush and the green wire on the plug and the top wire on the reverse unit go the the reverse unit connection on the right. These connections would be if the reverse unit is facing you. The brush on the left uses 3 wires and the brush on the right uses one wire. I believe this is the same wiring fir all 5 digit steam locos with smoke. I can send you a copy of this. � Tom Seccia Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring   All, I've looked at wiring diagrams for the 21004 reverse unit on line and have found several. Unfortunately the ones that are legible are also inconsistent. Some show the lower connectors on the reverse unit going to the field and others show them going to the brushes. Does anyone have a clear wiring diagram showing what goes where? There are six wires and seven connections so trying random combinations is almost as hard as picking the lottery! David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72517	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring

David, I've never seen that unit or the wiring drawings, but in general one can reverse a universal motor by reversing the two connections to EITHER the field coil OR to the brushes, but not both at the same time. In other words, if the other connections on the reversing unit remain the same, a system that reverses the leads to the field coil will have the same effect as a system that reverses the leads to the brushes, and both may be correct. Look at your drawings and see if they have just interchanged the wires for the field coil with the wires for the brushes. Hope this helps. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bull_gator_1 Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 8:10 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring All, I've looked at wiring diagrams for the 21004 reverse unit on line and have found several. Unfortunately the ones that are legible are also inconsistent. Some show the lower connectors on the reverse unit going to the field and others show them going to the brushes. Does anyone have a clear wiring diagram showing what goes where? There are six wires and seven connections so trying random combinations is almost as hard as picking the lottery! David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72518	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring

Tom, I posted a sketch in the Files section labeled "2 step reverse unit". If I am understanding your description, the wiring would be: Terminal A - wire 1, 5 and a wire to the smoke unit. Terminal B - wire 2 and a wire from terminal C Terminal C - wire 6 Terminal D - wire 3 Terminal E - wire 4 Terminal F - not used Is that correct? Thanks, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > 3 wires go the one brush, one from the smoke unit, one from the top of the reverse unit and one from the plug. 2 wires go from the bottom of the reverse unit to the field, one wire goes from the lower connection  of the reverse unit to the other brush and the green wire on the plug and the top wire on the reverse unit go the the reverse unit connection on the right. These connections would be if the reverse unit is facing you. The brush on the left uses 3 wires and the brush on the right uses one wire. I believe this is the same wiring fir all 5 digit steam locos with smoke. I can send you a copy of this. >   Tom Seccia > Triple"S"Supplies > > > > > ________________________________ > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 11:09 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring > > > >   > All, > > I've looked at wiring diagrams for the 21004 reverse unit on line and have found several. Unfortunately the ones that are legible are also inconsistent. Some show the lower connectors on the reverse unit going to the field and others show them going to the brushes. Does anyone have a clear wiring diagram showing what goes where? There are six wires and seven connections so trying random combinations is almost as hard as picking the lottery! > > David > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72519	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: Re: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring

Can't find the file. Please email it to me seccia@...                                Tom ________________________________ From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 3:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring   Tom, I posted a sketch in the Files section labeled "2 step reverse unit". If I am understanding your description, the wiring would be: Terminal A - wire 1, 5 and a wire to the smoke unit. Terminal B - wire 2 and a wire from terminal C Terminal C - wire 6 Terminal D - wire 3 Terminal E - wire 4 Terminal F - not used Is that correct? Thanks, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > 3 wires go the one brush, one from the smoke unit, one from the top of the reverse unit and one from the plug. 2 wires go from the bottom of the reverse unit to the field, one wire goes from the lower connection  of the reverse unit to the other brush and the green wire on the plug and the top wire on the reverse unit go the the reverse unit connection on the right. These connections would be if the reverse unit is facing you. The brush on the left uses 3 wires and the brush on the right uses one wire. I believe this is the same wiring fir all 5 digit steam locos with smoke. I can send you a copy of this. >   Tom Seccia > Triple"S"Supplies > > > > > ________________________________ > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 11:09 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 21004 Two Step Reverse Unit Wiring > > > >   > All, > > I've looked at wiring diagrams for the 21004 reverse unit on line and have found several. Unfortunately the ones that are legible are also inconsistent. Some show the lower connectors on the reverse unit going to the field and others show them going to the brushes. Does anyone have a clear wiring diagram showing what goes where? There are six wires and seven connections so trying random combinations is almost as hard as picking the lottery! > > David > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72520	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: 21004 2 Step Reverse Unit - Wiring Sketch

All, I've attached a correct wiring diagram for the 21004 2 step reversing unit in the Files section. Scroll past all the Folders in the Files section and it is about the 6th file listed. Thanks to all who offered advice!! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72521	From: Jamie Bothwell	Date: 6/30/2013
Subject: NASG Election Results

Hello Folks, Since many of you are NASG members I feel that it is reasonable to make this announcement here. The NASG Election Results are as follows: President: Bill Winans Treasurer: Jim Kindraka Eastern Vice President: Dave Heine Central Vice President: Gerry Evans Western Vice President: James McAuliffe The ballot initiative to amend Article III, Section 8 passed 296-7. The ballot initiative to amend Article V, Section 9 passed 286-20. Thank you to everyone who stepped forward to serve the organization whether they were elected or not, and thanks you to everyone who participated in the process by voting. Jamie Bothwell NASG Election Committee Chairman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72522	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 7/1/2013
Subject: seeking info @ Penn Line trailers

Two weeks ago, while on vacation, I found two cast-metal Monon T-O-F-C trailers ... apparently made for HO flatcars ... on a shelf in an antique store. The trailers were in very good shape, ea. w/a price tag of $20.00 which I felt was too much for my wallet. Although I didn't have a ruler w/me, these trailers appeared to be very close in dimension [except slightly longer ?] to the plastic trailers made by/for A.C. Gilbert's use on Amer. Flyer S-gauge flatcars. The detail was very good, w/even a spare tire under the frame ... although they didn't have the A.C.G. front axel, they were supported in front by a simulated crank-down jack-stand. Question: does anyone know if Penn Line produced these trailers w/any other RR or commercial co. names ?? Many thanks, in advance, for any info you can share; "Happy railS to you ..." Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72523	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/1/2013
Subject: Re: seeking info @ Penn Line trailers

Sounds like Ulrich...... They made several..... Bob ________________________________ From: "Warner, Ronald" <ronald.warner@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] seeking info @ Penn Line trailers   Two weeks ago, while on vacation, I found two cast-metal Monon T-O-F-C trailers ... apparently made for HO flatcars ... on a shelf in an antique store. The trailers were in very good shape, ea. w/a price tag of $20.00 which I felt was too much for my wallet. Although I didn't have a ruler w/me, these trailers appeared to be very close in dimension [except slightly longer ?] to the plastic trailers made by/for A.C. Gilbert's use on Amer. Flyer S-gauge flatcars. The detail was very good, w/even a spare tire under the frame ... although they didn't have the A.C.G. front axel, they were supported in front by a simulated crank-down jack-stand. Question: does anyone know if Penn Line produced these trailers w/any other RR or commercial co. names ?? Many thanks, in advance, for any info you can share; "Happy railS to you ..." Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72524	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 7/2/2013
Subject: Re: seeking info @ Penn Line trailers

Yes, Penn Line made the trailer you saw. I have one. It is HO scale. It came as a kit with a Ford COE tractor. The trailer is black with yellow lettering. The roof and bottom were not painted in the kit. Mine still isn't painted. The Ford tractor is a very nice model, except that the tires and wheels have no detail. The name "Penn Line" is embossed on the trailer bottom casting. Roy J Meissner ----- Original Message ----- From: Warner, Ronald To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] seeking info @ Penn Line trailers Two weeks ago, while on vacation, I found two cast-metal Monon T-O-F-C trailers ... apparently made for HO flatcars ... on a shelf in an antique store. The trailers were in very good shape, ea. w/a price tag of $20.00 which I felt was too much for my wallet. Although I didn't have a ruler w/me, these trailers appeared to be very close in dimension [except slightly longer ?] to the plastic trailers made by/for A.C. Gilbert's use on Amer. Flyer S-gauge flatcars. The detail was very good, w/even a spare tire under the frame ... although they didn't have the A.C.G. front axel, they were supported in front by a simulated crank-down jack-stand. Question: does anyone know if Penn Line produced these trailers w/any other RR or commercial co. names ?? Many thanks, in advance, for any info you can share; "Happy railS to you ..." Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72525	From: David	Date: 7/2/2013
Subject: Casey Jones Bashing Up Date 07-02-2013

We have added three more photos to our album here at #1 CJ to VIRGINIAN <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list?\ mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc> to show how we shortened the tender shell and added new features to it. The tender shell is now about the length of an AF Franklin tender. We have also been asked by several different clubs members if we would build one of these E&T units up for them. The answer is yes but you will have to contact George at lbrenterprisesllc@... <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...> for further info. on this process and cost. Thanks for looking. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72526	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/2/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S STATION for July

We continue with the series "The Junkyard" at http://myflyertrains.org which is Chuck Harrington's S gauge website. In this installment we get on with wrecking cars and making them look like they've been sitting in the yard being slowly stripped for years. Lots of good info about Junkyards in this series from my many years of browsing all kinds of salvage yeards for parts. You can make your junkyard look correct and realistic that way. Enjoy. ...Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72527	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 7/3/2013
Subject: items for sale

I have the following items for sale. Contact me OFF LIST for more info and pictures. SHS AT&SF passenger F7A set of 2 A units Fall S Fest passenger cars in C&NW colors obsveration, diner, baggage, combine, coach, diner Roy J Meissner rmeissner@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72528	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/3/2013
Subject: RE Casey jones kitbash

David, I see on your pics with explanations that you state you removed 1/4" from the boiler but it looks as though the stack is farther back from the front of the boiler. Can you clarify what you did, did you move the stack also? Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72529	From: David	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Re: RE Casey jones kitbash

Ray, The headlight was removed and a 1/4" removed in that area. Dave --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> wrote: > > David, > I see on your pics with explanations that you state you removed 1/4" from the boiler but it looks as though the stack is farther back from the front of the boiler. > Can you clarify what you did, did you move the stack also? > > Ray > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72530	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Re: Casey Jones kitbash

Dave,Yes now I see what you have done. It did not register for me until I pulled one of my own shells out to look at it. I am going to do one of these myself. Thanks Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72531	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Re: RE Casey jones kitbash

any chance that you will have a smoke & choo-choo to fit these Caseys ? Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72532	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Re: RE Casey jones kitbash

Ron,      We have some smoke & chuff units now (original units), but no new units will be produced. We have smoke only units also (modified AF original units).. Dave     ________________________________ From: Ron Inscho <roninscho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE Casey jones kitbash   any chance that you will have a smoke & choo-choo to fit these Caseys ? Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72533	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Re: Casey Jones kitbash

Ray,      Super! I really believe you will enjoy this project as it is not too complicated or expensive.      We are in the process of producing a "SUPER SET" of decals for these E&T's that will allow the basher to brand their CH units for PENNSYLVANIA, C&O or B&O and cab numbers #1365, #1366, #1367, #1368. These sets will also have the boiler front RR Herald for each of these lines. Dave ________________________________ From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> To: "s-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <s-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Casey Jones kitbash   Dave,Yes now I see what you have done. It did not register for me until I pulled one of my own shells out to look at it. I am going to do one of these myself. Thanks Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72534	From: David	Date: 7/4/2013
Subject: Decal Set For CJ Kit Bash Project (Advertisement)

We have added a SUPER SET of decals for the Casey Jones kit bashing project. This SUPER SET gives you a chance to brand your E&T for three (3) separate rail roads. PENNSYLVANIA, C&O, B&O printed in WHITE on clear film. This super decal set may be viewed at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72535	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 7/5/2013
Subject: 21004 Video Posted

Hi All, I posted a short video of the 21004 that I've been rebuilding. It's still got issues but now it's a runner! You can view it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdMRaKFKPOU Enjoy. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72536	From: David	Date: 7/6/2013
Subject: CJ Kit Bash Up Date - 07-06-2013

We have added three (3) more photos of our Casey Jones project at our album here. Please use the link below to view: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list> We have a chassis with our new draw bar hitch. A photo of a RAM AIR highly modified AF smoke unit. We have tested AF smoke units that were worn out in the piston chamber and found out that these otherwise useless units can have a new life using an extended smoke tube that is even with the top of the smoke stack. RAM AIR (engine moving forward or backward) passing over the end of the tube will pull smoke from the unit and shows very nicely. Another plus is when it is stopped (must be wired direct from track power) it will still emit wisps of smoke just like the real steamers do. And finally the AF smoke unit built for the Casey Jones. Enjoy ;o) LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72537	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/6/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/7/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 7, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72538	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/7/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/7/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 7, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72539	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 7/7/2013
Subject: Springfield, IL shops??

Greetings, I will be in the Springfield, IL area next weekend (July 12-14) on a mini-vacation of sorts. Are there any hobby shops in the area that have Flyer and S-gauge typically available that I should add to the activities? Thanks in advance! Ben Colley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72540	From: snstrains	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Important announcement from SnS Trains

To all friends, customers, suppliers, and S-Gauge train lists. Effective July 10th 2013 SnS will be under new management. It has been purchased by Richard Gillett and Alan Hayden of the "Rocky Mt. Hi-Railers S-Gauge train club here in Boise. There will be a new telephone number and mailing address posted by that time. The shop will remain at the same location and I will be on board as a consultant and part time employee. You can expect the same quality service as before. They have been training for several months and are very capable. They are working on additional products to bring to you also. It has been great these past almost 14 years as co-owner of SnS. I hope all of you that have partaken of our can motor products are glad we came about. I sure am. Regards to all, Steve Blackburn Boise. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72541	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: Important announcement from SnS Trains

Thank you, Steve, for all you have done for our hobby. Best wishes, Alan Bennett Keizer, OR Sent from my iPad On Jul 7, 2013, at 10:05 PM, boss31@... wrote: > To all friends, customers, suppliers, and S-Gauge train lists. > > Effective July 10th 2013 SnS will be under new management. It has been > purchased by Richard Gillett and Alan Hayden of the "Rocky Mt. Hi-Railers > S-Gauge train club here in Boise. There will be a new telephone number and > mailing address posted by that time. The shop will remain at the same location > and I will be on board as a consultant and part time employee. You can > expect the same quality service as before. They have been training for several > months and are very capable. They are working on additional products to > bring to you also. > > It has been great these past almost 14 years as co-owner of SnS. I hope all > of you that have partaken of our can motor products are glad we came > about. I sure am. > > Regards to all, > > Steve Blackburn > Boise. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72542	From: Al Baker	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: Important announcement from SnS Trains

Yes, Thank you so very much Steve, for your considerable contributions to our hobby, like a variety of can motors, repairs far beyond ‘routine’, expert advice, and other things many of us are not even aware of. Thank you very much, and we wish you the very best. Al Baker Portland, OR From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bennett Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 8:56 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Important announcement from SnS Trains Thank you, Steve, for all you have done for our hobby. Best wishes, Alan Bennett Keizer, OR Sent from my iPad On Jul 7, 2013, at 10:05 PM, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> wrote: > To all friends, customers, suppliers, and S-Gauge train lists. > > Effective July 10th 2013 SnS will be under new management. It has been > purchased by Richard Gillett and Alan Hayden of the "Rocky Mt. Hi-Railers > S-Gauge train club here in Boise. There will be a new telephone number and > mailing address posted by that time. The shop will remain at the same location > and I will be on board as a consultant and part time employee. You can > expect the same quality service as before. They have been training for several > months and are very capable. They are working on additional products to > bring to you also. > > It has been great these past almost 14 years as co-owner of SnS. I hope all > of you that have partaken of our can motor products are glad we came > about. I sure am. > > Regards to all, > > Steve Blackburn > Boise. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72543	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: AF ILLUSTRATED CHECKLIST

I have a AF Checklist for "S" 1946-1966 and "O" and Standard Gauge 1927-1937...$5 to cover shipping Contact me at Anormal1@... Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72544	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: AF CHECKLIST

Forgot, it is in very good - E cond & was published by LADD Publishing I have no use for it Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72545	From: David	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Casey Jones Kit Bashing Project Up Date 07-08-2013 FINISH

We have added some more photos of the finished Casey Jones project at our album here at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list> This one has smoke & chuff, LED marker lights (green & red) and LED head light, traction on all four drive wheels, DALLEE #400 electronic reverse unit, 1/2" motor, wire grab irons, valve gear with cross heads. Questions about this kit bashing project are always welcome. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72546	From: racin510	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: Important announcement from SnS Trains

Steve, great to know your business will remain alive and well in the Great Northwest! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote: > > Thank you, Steve, for all you have done for our hobby. > > Best wishes, > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 7, 2013, at 10:05 PM, boss31@... wrote: > > > To all friends, customers, suppliers, and S-Gauge train lists. > > > > Effective July 10th 2013 SnS will be under new management. It has been > > purchased by Richard Gillett and Alan Hayden of the "Rocky Mt. Hi-Railers > > S-Gauge train club here in Boise. There will be a new telephone number and > > mailing address posted by that time. The shop will remain at the same location > > and I will be on board as a consultant and part time employee. You can > > expect the same quality service as before. They have been training for several > > months and are very capable. They are working on additional products to > > bring to you also. > > > > It has been great these past almost 14 years as co-owner of SnS. I hope all > > of you that have partaken of our can motor products are glad we came > > about. I sure am. > > > > Regards to all, > > > > Steve Blackburn > > Boise. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72547	From: Jerry	Date: 7/8/2013
Subject: Re: Casey Jones Kit Bashing Project Up Date 07-08-2013 FINISH

Dog gone it! Now everybody will want those formerly useless locomotives! The price will go up, then the collectors will try to outbid each other trying to corner the market. They'll become more scarce, and those who actually run them will be squeezed out of the hobby! Beat-up, scratched and burned out items will command premium prices! Just kidding. Nice to see that the Casey Jones finally has found a use! It makes a nice looking small steamer. Now, I just have to find time to attend yet another project... Jerry Wet in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote: > > > We have added some more photos of the finished Casey Jones project at > our album here at > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list> > > This one has smoke & chuff, LED marker lights (green & red) and LED head > light, traction on all four drive wheels, DALLEE #400 electronic reverse > unit, 1/2" motor, wire grab irons, valve gear with cross heads. > > Questions about this kit bashing project are always welcome. > > LBR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72548	From: doc_strains	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Bashing the 303

Posted pictures illustrate the finished engine. The features include: 1. Front (working) KC coupler fitting with linkage 2. Additional grab railings 3. LED headlight 4. Green markers on boiler face 5 Trailing truck cover 6. Engine steps 7. Fire box hilites 8. .Red trimmed cab windows 9. Slope back tender 10. Grab irons & steps on tender 11. LED back up light 12. Red and yellow marker light on tender (behind coal Bunker) 13. Grab iron railing on tender 14. Enhanced coal bunker load

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72549	From: snstrains	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: SnS Trains sale followup

To all friends, customers, suppliers and associates. This is a reminder that SnS Trains changes hands on July 10th. The new mailing address for packages and mail is: SnS Trains 4501 Federal Way Boise, Idaho 83716 The new phone number is : 208-841-1467 New business hours are: 4 PM to 10 PM Mountain time, Monday through Friday and 10 AM to 10 PM Saturday and Sunday, Mountain time. New email address is to follow. For the moment you may use the existing one below. _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrains@...) Web site remains the same as below Steve Blackburn SnS Trains 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 _www.snstrains.com_ (http://www.snstrains.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72550	From: acgtx1	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Building First Home Permanent Layout

Hi There! I have enjoyed reading the S-Trains correspondence over the years. I have had Flyer trains for a number of years which have been stored in boxes forever, save the occasional unpacking and set up of a temporary layout in the garage on plywood sheets over saw horses for a holiday, etc. I have now started work on a permanent layout. Like many of you, I am limited as to space and have built a table that is 8.5' x 5.5'. I have planned for 2 loops on the ground level with industrial sidings and want to have at least one elevated loop, ideally connected to a ground loop, for a total of 3, possibly 4 loops, each capable of simultaneous and independent operation. I have had no experience with inclined track or trestles, but have had experience with steam locomotive traction failure due to uneven track/inclines/lack of traction tires. I am working on my locomotives to improve traction. What is recommended maximum slope of a trestle for Flyer steam locomotives? I am running 30X/31X/32X locomotives. I want the second level to be about 10" above the ground level. Please consider and comment. Your recommendations and suggestions are all most welcome. Best Regards to All Art Cooper Richardson, TX I have posted a picture of the layout in current state

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72551	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Part Number SHS?

Does anyone know what this is, does anyone have one for sale? SHS Connector, Feeder Wire # 00255 Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72552	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?

I believe it connects the track to the transformer. Fred Loosbrock at Fred¹s Train Shop in Overland Park, KS did have some. Roy Inman From: <HOwingsiii@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 11:30:13 -0400 (EDT) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS? Does anyone know what this is, does anyone have one for sale? SHS Connector, Feeder Wire # 00255 Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72553	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout

Hi Art, There was a discussion on grade a couple of years ago. You can search the message archives to find those messages. I had a 4% grade on my last layout and had no problems even though most members thought that was too much. The secret to grades is to be sure you have a smooth entrance and exit section where the grade gradually changes. Just place an engine on the grade and slowly move it along being sure the wheels always make contact with the track and being sure nothing bottoms out. Good luck! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgtx1" <greenjumpertx@...> wrote: > > Hi There! > > I have enjoyed reading the S-Trains correspondence over the years. > > I have had Flyer trains for a number of years which have been stored in boxes forever, save the occasional unpacking and set up of a temporary layout in the garage on plywood sheets over saw horses for a holiday, etc. I have now started work on a permanent layout. Like many of you, I am limited as to space and have built a table that is 8.5' x 5.5'. I have planned for 2 loops on the ground level with industrial sidings and want to have at least one elevated loop, ideally connected to a ground loop, for a total of 3, possibly 4 loops, each capable of simultaneous and independent operation. > > I have had no experience with inclined track or trestles, but have had experience with steam locomotive traction failure due to uneven track/inclines/lack of traction tires. I am working on my locomotives to improve traction. > > What is recommended maximum slope of a trestle for Flyer steam locomotives? I am running 30X/31X/32X locomotives. I want the second level to be about 10" above the ground level. > > Please consider and comment. Your recommendations and suggestions are all most welcome. > > Best Regards to All > > Art Cooper > Richardson, TX > > I have posted a picture of the layout in current state >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72554	From: rhicks308	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout

A grade separation of 10" is much more than you need, or can achieve in a layout of limited size. 4 1/2" or 5" should be plenty. The Flyer trestle sets should give us a good idea of what's possible. The grade is 1" in 30", and the maximum height is 4 1/2". Hey, things could be worse. For pre-war Flyer they advised against any grades at all, and said all the track should be perfectly level. What fun is that??? Randall --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgtx1" <greenjumpertx@...> wrote: > What is recommended maximum slope of a trestle for Flyer steam locomotives? I am running 30X/31X/32X locomotives. I want the second level to be about 10" above the ground level. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72555	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?

Hi Harwood, I just sold a pack on ebay.  It is a package of 12 feeder wires and connectors for SHS Showcase Line Track. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS?   Does anyone know what this is, does anyone have one for sale? SHS Connector, Feeder Wire # 00255 Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72556	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?

Hi Tom, do you have any more for sale? Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS? Hi Harwood, I just sold a pack on ebay. It is a package of 12 feeder wires and connectors for SHS Showcase Line Track. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS? Does anyone know what this is, does anyone have one for sale? SHS Connector, Feeder Wire # 00255 Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72557	From: scaler164	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: AF Parts Need A New Home

I have the following old AF parts, and I'd rather pass them on to someone who can use them rather then trash them.  So... you agree to reimburse me for  the cost of shipping, and they're yours!  Click (or copy and paste) the link below to see the parts :     www.trainweb.org/seaboard/AFParts.jpg T he lower caboose floor was bent badly during removal.   I  straightened out fairly well, but not perfectly.  Someone with more time (and concern) could straighten it easily. Will also trade for AF car(s) (of any type except gondolas) that have  Pikemaster trucks . Please contact me offline if interested. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72558	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: SHS FEEDER WIRE #00255 FOUND

_S Scale Model Railroading - Track Products_ (http://trainweb.org/crocon/strack.html) Use this link & go down to the SHS Section for the feeder wires Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72559	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?

Hi Harwood, � The was the last I had. Tom ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS?   Hi Tom, do you have any more for sale? Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS? Hi Harwood, I just sold a pack on ebay. It is a package of 12 feeder wires and connectors for SHS Showcase Line Track. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS? Does anyone know what this is, does anyone have one for sale? SHS Connector, Feeder Wire # 00255 Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72560	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/9/2013
Subject: Re: AF Parts Need A New Home

The link does not work, Mike In a message dated 7/9/2013 5:14:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Scaler164@... writes: www.trainweb.org/seaboard/AFParts.jpg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72561	From: scaler164	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: [S Scale Model Railroading] AF Parts FOUND A New Home

Thanks to all who replied... these parts are now spoken for. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Scaler164@... To: "POST : Group (S)" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "POST : Group (S)" <sscalemodelrailroading@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 6:50:43 PM Subject: [S Scale Model Railroading] AF Parts Need A New Home I have the following old AF parts, and I'd rather pass them on to someone who can use them rather then trash them.  So... you agree to reimburse me for the cost of shipping, and they're yours!  Click (or copy and paste) the link below to see the parts :       www.trainweb.org/seaboard/AFParts.jpg   The lower caboose floor was bent badly during removal.  I straightened out fairly well, but not perfectly.  Someone with more time (and concern) could straighten it easily.   Will also trade for AF car(s) (of any type except gondolas) that have Pikemaster trucks.   Please contact me offline if interested.   Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72562	From: James Lyle	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?

I Should have some, NIB. Will look I. AM Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:08 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Hi Tom, do you have any more for sale? > > Harwood > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 6:44 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS? > > > > > Hi Harwood, > I just sold a pack on ebay. It is a package of 12 feeder wires and connectors for SHS Showcase Line Track. > � Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:30 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS? > > > > > Does anyone know what this is, does anyone have one for sale? > > SHS Connector, Feeder Wire # 00255 > > Thanks, > Harwood > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72563	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: SHS FEEDER WIRE #00255 FOUND

My error on that link...it is old & not working...Mike In a message dated 7/9/2013 6:00:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: _S Scale Model Railroading - Track Products_ (http://trainweb.org/crocon/strack.html) Use this link & go down to the SHS Section for the feeder wires Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72564	From: Dale Reynolds	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout

have built several layouts over the past 40 years. always had trouble with grades, and since old gilbert rolling stock needs frequent movement by hands anyway,have eliminated grades.  my current home layout, 10'x14',  has 3 levels not connected, AM code 148 track. upper elevations 5" and 7" high. my club layout at www.crmha.org is 10'x16' AF track, 2 levels upper 9" high. both run good. in your small space you may not want grades, and a high elevation of 10" sonds good.as can see better and get stuff under bridges/trestles. dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72565	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: SHS FEEDER WIRE #00255 FOUND

Thanks Mike, I am going to check to see if Portlines has any. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: anormal1 <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 6:42 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: SHS FEEDER WIRE #00255 FOUND My error on that link...it is old & not working...Mike In a message dated 7/9/2013 6:00:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: _S Scale Model Railroading - Track Products_ (http://trainweb.org/crocon/strack.html) Use this link & go down to the SHS Section for the feeder wires Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72566	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: Part Number SHS?

Thanks Jim Harwood -----Original Message----- From: James Lyle <WJJIM@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 6:42 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS? I Should have some, NIB. Will look I. AM Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:08 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Hi Tom, do you have any more for sale? > > Harwood > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 6:44 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS? > > > > > Hi Harwood, > I just sold a pack on ebay. It is a package of 12 feeder wires and connectors for SHS Showcase Line Track. > � Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:30 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Part Number SHS? > > > > > Does anyone know what this is, does anyone have one for sale? > > SHS Connector, Feeder Wire # 00255 > > Thanks, > Harwood > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72567	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: SHS FEEDER WIRE #00255 FOUND

Sorry about the link being old & not working....Mike In a message dated 7/10/2013 8:26:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, HOwingsiii@... writes: Thanks Mike, I am going to check to see if Portlines has any. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: anormal1 <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > To: S-Trains <_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 6:42 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: SHS FEEDER WIRE #00255 FOUND My error on that link...it is old & not working...Mike In a message dated 7/9/2013 6:00:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) writes: _S Scale Model Railroading - Track Products_ (http://trainweb.org/crocon/strack.html) Use this link & go down to the SHS Section for the feeder wires Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72568	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout

I concur. The typical Gilbert engine needs a nudge now and then, especially on grades, Unless it has been fine-tuned and is really running beautifully. On top of that, it takes 13 pieces of track at the standard Gilbert trestle grade to raise the track the minimum needed to pass over another train (a little over 4 inches). At 10 inches per track, that's 130 inches, 10'10" long. On an 8 foot table, more than half of your slope would be on curves. As you may know, it takes more power to pull a train up a curve than up a straight slope, and if the train is very long you run the risk that it will pull cars off the track on the curve. It's just not going to work. Sorry about that. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:29 AM, Dale Reynolds <reynoldsdale45@...> wrote: > have built several layouts over the past 40 years. always had trouble with grades, and since old gilbert rolling stock needs frequent movement by hands anyway,have eliminated grades. my current home layout, 10'x14', has 3 levels not connected, AM code 148 track. upper elevations 5" and 7" high. my club layout at www.crmha.org is 10'x16' AF track, 2 levels upper 9" high. both run good. in your small space you may not want grades, and a high elevation of 10" sonds good.as can see better and get stuff under bridges/trestles. dale > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72569	From: alan smith	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout

Bob is right --- I have built a trestle with a pass over bridge as part of my revised layout. The length from ground "0" and back to ground "0" is exactly 10' 10" My rise starts two sections before a curve -- has a one section bend near the top and two curves on the descending slope. The double traction 312AC will pull a consist over the hump as will the Atlantic. However, you had better place the heavier cars on the front of the consist. Unweighted coal, gondolas or flats - "FORGET ABOUT IT" . even with the weight balance set U had better not stop in a curve and restart with any haste or you're in trouble. The 336 has plenty of power and traction but will have trouble with trying to jump track on the {Std A F curve sections} thru the descending curves -- if you not very careful. Using a pusher engine is tricky as matching power to weight with two engines on the consist is hairy. - It looks neat -- but cross your fingers. I would agree with Bob on suggesting a different track plan. Happy railroading to you, Old Guy Al On Jul 10, 2013, at 1:04 PM, The Upstairs Train wrote: > I concur. The typical Gilbert engine needs a nudge now and then, > especially on grades, Unless it has been fine-tuned and is really > running beautifully. > > On top of that, it takes 13 pieces of track at the standard Gilbert > trestle grade to raise the track the minimum needed to pass over > another train (a little over 4 inches). At 10 inches per track, > that's 130 inches, 10'10" long. On an 8 foot table, more than half > of your slope would be on curves. As you may know, it takes more > power to pull a train up a curve than up a straight slope, and if > the train is very long you run the risk that it will pull cars off > the track on the curve. It's just not going to work. Sorry about that. > > Bob Graves > TheGilbertGallery.org > > On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:29 AM, Dale Reynolds <reynoldsdale45@...> > wrote: > > > have built several layouts over the past 40 years. always had > trouble with grades, and since old gilbert rolling stock needs > frequent movement by hands anyway,have eliminated grades. my current > home layout, 10'x14', has 3 levels not connected, AM code 148 track. > upper elevations 5" and 7" high. my club layout at www.crmha.org is > 10'x16' AF track, 2 levels upper 9" high. both run good. in your > small space you may not want grades, and a high elevation of 10" > sonds good.as can see better and get stuff under bridges/trestles. > dale > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72570	From: sscalemn	Date: 7/10/2013
Subject: Official Cancellation of the 2010 NASG National Convention Car Proje

To all who have ordered 2010 NASG National Convention Cars, We have held onto the hope that the CGW X29 Creco door Boxcar project (2010 NASG National Convention Car) would eventually be completed. For the smaller importers like S Scale America, the injection molded plastic situation in China is not improving. With the knowledge and agreement of our supplier, we are officially cancelling this project and will be beginning the task of sending refunds to all who have paid for these cars. It is with regret and apologies to the S community that we have not been able to complete this project as promised. If your contact / address information has changed since 2010, please let us know (email or snail mail to: Convention Treasurer Ron Kemp, 6453 110th Avenue N, Champlin, MN 55316 , kempfam@... <mailto:kempfam@...> ) . Please pass this notice on to anyone you may know who might have ordered these cars but do not regularly read messages on the Yahoo Groups. Regards and thank you for your patience, Walt Jopke , 2010 NASG National Convention Chair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72571	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 7/11/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout

My first layout, on a 4 x 8 panel is a folded figure 8 with trestles to cross over the lower track. It gave me trouble until I smoothed the transitions from flats to slopes. Neat thing is that by setting the switches I get to run all track and make two loops of the layout without stopping. Also found that a coating of bullfrog snot really helps pull the grade if I have a bunch of cars for a long train. Ken Christiansen Broker Associate Prudential Crosby Starck REALTORS 551 N Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 6107 Mobile 815-218-3957 Do you know anyone wanting to buy or sell Real Estate? Your referral is always appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72572	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/11/2013
Subject: Automated Block Control

Hi Folks, I recall some posts and a video or two showing automatic operation of two Flyer trains on the same loop. The name "manderman" sticks in my head. Does anyone recall where to find that information? I guy on another list is electrically challenged and wants to hook something like that up for his layout. Sure would be nice to give him a hand up. Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72573	From: markaflyer	Date: 7/11/2013
Subject: Re: Automated Block Control

Bill, Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4mH-uV89HA I sell a kit with relays, reed switches, magnets and a set of wiring diagrams to do this. It's relatively simple if you have a basic understanding of circuits, and can be thought of as a replacement for Gilbert pressure track trips. Mark Anderman (aka... manderman) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> To: "S Trains List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:13:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Automated Block Control Hi Folks, I recall some posts and a video or two showing automatic operation of two Flyer trains on the same loop. The name "manderman" sticks in my head. Does anyone recall where to find that information? I guy on another list is electrically challenged and wants to hook something like that up for his layout. Sure would be nice to give him a hand up. Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72574	From: jhannawald	Date: 7/11/2013
Subject: Re: Automated Block Control

Bill That would be Mark Anderman and I believe he is on this list. He was very helpful in helping me set up some automatic controls last year. Jim From: Bill Porter Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:13 PM To: S Trains List Subject: [S-Trains] Automated Block Control Hi Folks, I recall some posts and a video or two showing automatic operation of two Flyer trains on the same loop. The name "manderman" sticks in my head. Does anyone recall where to find that information? I guy on another list is electrically challenged and wants to hook something like that up for his layout. Sure would be nice to give him a hand up. Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72575	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/11/2013
Subject: Re: Automated Block Control

Thanks Mark, I recall now. your set up is very nice. I will pass it along to the guy who expressed an interest and see where it goes from there. Thanks also to Erney (I wish I was attending that show up north this weekend), Mel and Jim as well. Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 7/11/2013 9:24 PM, Manderman@... wrote: > Bill, > > > Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4mH-uV89HA > > > I sell a kit with relays, reed switches, magnets and a set of wiring diagrams to do this. It's relatively simple if you have a basic understanding of circuits, and can be thought of as a replacement for Gilbert pressure track trips. > > > Mark Anderman (aka... manderman) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> > To: "S Trains List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:13:04 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Automated Block Control > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > I recall some posts and a video or two showing automatic operation of > two Flyer trains on the same loop. The name "manderman" sticks in my > head. Does anyone recall where to find that information? > > I guy on another list is electrically challenged and wants to hook > something like that up for his layout. Sure would be nice to give him a > hand up. > > Bill >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72576	From: David	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: NEW 8 wheel engine chassis

We are in the process of cutting up about a half dozen 6 wheel chassis and turning them into 8 wheel chassis. The purpose of this new project is to open a new frontier for the kit basher. Now the basher can make 2-8-2, 2-8-4 & 2-8-0's from AF Pacific engines. Interested parties Email us at lbrenterprises@... <mailto:lbrenterprises@...> Good Luck ;o) LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72577	From: David	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: 2 Wheel Pilot Truck For AF's

Thank you for the phone call Al. Yes, we are going to produce a 2 wheel pilot truck for AF steamers. It should be out by sometime in August or maybe before. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72578	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: Open house July 13 at the San Diego S Gaugers

The club's quarterly Saturday open house is tomorrow, July 13, from 11:00 AM to 4:00 PM. Directions are on the club's website: <sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/our-clubhouse> If you're in town, swing by! Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72579	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW 8 wheel engine chassis

I am no longer an S-Scaler but still have an interest in American Flyer and lurk on this list. I guess I don't understand some of the "kitbashes" that are being made using AF components. An 8-wheel mechanism using 6-wheel components is, what, basically a Northern mechanism...even if you shorten the wheel centers so the drivers are more closely spaced, you still have Pacific/Hudson/Northern sized drivers, however undersized they were to begin with they are too big for most 2-8-0 and 2-8-2s. A TH&B / C&NW Berkshire could be done using the AF NYC Hudson shell but you would have to stretch it unnaturally to get those drivers under it. If suppliers have the capacity to cast and make metal parts, why not replacement parts that improve the looks of the AF locomotives similar to the NIMCO scale conversion drivers of years ago? The Box Pox drivers really don't go well with most of the AF engines and most all could use properly sized spoked or disc replacements. The Pacific boilers (K5, NH, C&NW) could make decent looking Mikados but need something in between the 0-8-0 and Pacific drivers to look right. Most 2-8-2s have 63" drivers. I don't know what size the Atlantic/Pacific/Hudson/Northern driver scales out to but it is too tall for any 2-8-0, 2-8-2 and most 2-8-4s. Seems to me that with all the new stuff available from SHS/MTH, AM, SSA and Lionel that even Hi-Rail guys want something more realistic looking than is possible rehashing AF drive units. Charlie Vlk Railroad Model Resources [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72580	From: racin510	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW 8 wheel engine chassis

.........and the Lionel Mikado is pretty wonderful ...... and this from a 95% conventional purist! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...> wrote: > > I am no longer an S-Scaler but still have an interest in American Flyer and > lurk on this list. > > > > I guess I don't understand some of the "kitbashes" that are being made using > AF components. > > > > An 8-wheel mechanism using 6-wheel components is, what, basically a Northern > mechanism...even if you shorten the wheel centers so the drivers are more > closely spaced, you still have Pacific/Hudson/Northern sized drivers, > however undersized they were to begin with they are too big for most 2-8-0 > and 2-8-2s. A TH&B / C&NW Berkshire could be done using the AF NYC Hudson > shell but you would have to stretch it unnaturally to get those drivers > under it. > > > > If suppliers have the capacity to cast and make metal parts, why not > replacement parts that improve the looks of the AF locomotives similar to > the NIMCO scale conversion drivers of years ago? > > The Box Pox drivers really don't go well with most of the AF engines and > most all could use properly sized spoked or disc replacements. > > > > The Pacific boilers (K5, NH, C&NW) could make decent looking Mikados but > need something in between the 0-8-0 and Pacific drivers to look right. > Most 2-8-2s have 63" drivers. I don't know what size the > Atlantic/Pacific/Hudson/Northern driver scales out to but it is too tall for > any 2-8-0, 2-8-2 and most 2-8-4s. > > > > Seems to me that with all the new stuff available from SHS/MTH, AM, SSA and > Lionel that even Hi-Rail guys want something more realistic looking than is > possible rehashing AF drive units. > > > > Charlie Vlk > > Railroad Model Resources > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72581	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 7/12/2013
Subject: Re: LBR single axile quartering tool

Has anyone used the lbr quartering tool single axile? and did it work well? thinking about buying it and would like some input. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72582	From: snstrains	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: Re: LBR single axile quartering tool

I have used it several times and it works great..BUT, there is one thing you need to know. It is timed 180 degrees (more or less) different than the Gilbert wheels. That means you need to remove all the wheels on one side to get all of them in sync. Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho In a message dated 7/12/2013 7:30:17 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jad01@... writes: Has anyone used the lbr quartering tool single axile? and did it work well? thinking about buying it and would like some input. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72583	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: Re: LBR single axile quartering tool

I purchased and used the 0-8-0 single axle tool and it worked well. I did all the axles at once so I didn't notice the difference between the Gilbert and LBR timing. Since the 87 1/2 degree offset from side to side (instead of 90 degrees) was cut in at the factory sometime in the '50's (I think), earlier engines would benefit by having all axles done at once anyway? I had high regard for the ease of use and accuracy of the tool so I went ahead and ordered the tool for the standard size wheels. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72584	From: traindavid	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: Quartering Drives & quartering tools

I have not used any of the modern quartering tools, but one must realize that ACG drivers were not perfectly "quartered"--that is, the rods are not 90 degrees apart, but 88 degrees. Why?? I don't have a clue! Murray Romer probably could have answered that one! Can the eye see the difference?? It's only 2 degrees! Does it effect operating qualities?? I dunno, but there must have been a reason the ACG engineers did it--although it could be as simple as someone making the assembly tool wrong on the prototype and it was carried over into production! Hmm, has anyone checked the plastic driver assemblies to see how they are quartered, as they were assembled before being put into the split chassis? Inquiring minds want to know!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72585	From: scaler164	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: AF Compatable Parts (AM & SHS)

While searching for some other, older AF parts I thought I had, I came across this small collection of SHS and AM parts that I have no need for.  My calculations show the retail value of these parts to be collectively around $50... but if I can get $20 I'll be happy... and about $2 to help cover shipping. These parts are NEW and NEVER USED .      Use this URL to view the parts :  www.trainweb.org/seaboard/AM+SHSParts.jpg If I can't get $20, I'll take the highest reasonable offer. Any takers?  Contact me offline. I greatly prefer PayPal or Money Orders ... but I'll take a personal check for an additional $2 to cover my gas to get to the bank and deposit it) Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72586	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: Re: Quartering Drives & quartering tools

Early Gilbert American Flyer Steam Locomotives both "O" and "S" used bushing PA9540 Small Hole and PA9541 Large Hole for the tapered drive axle. These were quartered at 90 degrees. Later steam loco chassis, I'm not sure which year, the locomotive chassis were cast and drilled without bushings. For these locomotives the quartering was 87 degrees.  These chassis have more play without the bushings. There is a Factory Service Bulletin covering these, but I couldn't find it to give it to you. The early locomotives will most likely operate better if quartered at 90 degrees, because thats the way these were designed. � Tom Seccia � Triple "S" Supplies ________________________________ From: "djdewey@..." <djdewey@...> To: S-Trains Yahoo Group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Quartering Drives & quartering tools   I have not used any of the modern quartering tools, but one must realize that ACG drivers were not perfectly "quartered"--that is, the rods are not 90 degrees apart, but 88 degrees. Why?? I don't have a clue! Murray Romer probably could have answered that one! Can the eye see the difference?? It's only 2 degrees! Does it effect operating qualities?? I dunno, but there must have been a reason the ACG engineers did it--although it could be as simple as someone making the assembly tool wrong on the prototype and it was carried over into production! Hmm, has anyone checked the plastic driver assemblies to see how they are quartered, as they were assembled before being put into the split chassis? Inquiring minds want to know! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72587	From: scaler164	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: Re: AF Compatable Parts (AM & SHS)

Thanks to everyone who replied to my posting for these parts... but they have already been snatched up.  Thanks for your interest. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72588	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/13/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/14/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 14, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72589	From: John	Date: 7/14/2013
Subject: compatibility of SHS/MTH and American Models track with AF track

I'm going to add a second leg to my layout and would like to use the more realistic non AF track (either SHS/MTH or American Models) flextrack. I will need to have both legs connected, so at some point I'd need to connect the two types of track. I'm getting conflicting advice as to whether the non AF track will connect up to AF track. Assuming it can be done, what's the best way to do this and are there any issues at the connect point (mainly de-rails I guess). If it's too problematic, I would consider replacing all the AF track, but don't want to do this if it's not necessary and avoid the time and cost of replacing track and 5 turnouts. Thanks for the help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72590	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/14/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/14/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 14, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72591	From: hobbycj1	Date: 7/14/2013
Subject: Re: compatibility of SHS/MTH and American Models track with AF track

Hi John-- My layout started like yours w/ AF track. I changed about half way to American Models, & made my own transition tracks, as the AF & Other Brands are not compatible. To do this you need a good resistance soldering outfit, preferably with plier electrodes. Using extra pieces from cut track, I spliced the rail to an AF track piece, so 1 end was AF & the other was AM. I finally went 100% American Models track except for 1 independent back & forth track for the AF Milk Car, Cattle Car & operating box car. When you use the AF & American Models together, you get sick of the AF real fast!! Hope this helps! Thanks CJB Clement J Bianchi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John" <vu68@...> wrote: > > I'm going to add a second leg to my layout and would like to use the more realistic non AF track (either SHS/MTH or American Models) flextrack. I will need to have both legs connected, so at some point I'd need to connect the two types of track. > > I'm getting conflicting advice as to whether the non AF track will connect up to AF track. > > Assuming it can be done, what's the best way to do this and are there any issues at the connect point (mainly de-rails I guess). > > If it's too problematic, I would consider replacing all the AF track, but don't want to do this if it's not necessary and avoid the time and cost of replacing track and 5 turnouts. > > Thanks for the help. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72592	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/14/2013
Subject: Re: compatibility of SHS/MTH and American Models track with AF track

SHS/Showcase Line now MTH Track is Code.125 with Plastic Ties and Roadbed and has adapter pins to mate the AF track.  American Models track is code .148 without roadbed. This track uses HO type connectors. Each of these companies sells flex track and their track lines has a scale appearance.  Lionel's new "S" Fast Track is very similar to Showcase with Code .125 Rails and Plastic Roadbed. If you don't want to use any of these and want to use AF track, I would suggest using Gargraves Track. This track line directly mates with AF track and uses the same type pin connectors. The track comes in both flex and sectional track and can be used with AF switches. The track without roadbed has wood ties and the ties are larger than "S" scale. I used sell SHS, American Models and Gargraves in my train store. I believe current sources for all of the track lines are Doug Peck Port Line Hobby and Bill Parr. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: John <vu68@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 9:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] compatibility of SHS/MTH and American Models track with AF track   I'm going to add a second leg to my layout and would like to use the more realistic non AF track (either SHS/MTH or American Models) flextrack. I will need to have both legs connected, so at some point I'd need to connect the two types of track. I'm getting conflicting advice as to whether the non AF track will connect up to AF track. Assuming it can be done, what's the best way to do this and are there any issues at the connect point (mainly de-rails I guess). If it's too problematic, I would consider replacing all the AF track, but don't want to do this if it's not necessary and avoid the time and cost of replacing track and 5 turnouts. Thanks for the help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72593	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Compatability of AF/MTH...etc

Like most of us, I have used old American Flyer track for many years, adding ties and generally trying to make it appear more realistic. I even spent time working with the PikeMaster track because it starts out looking more realistic, but is limited to 15" radius curves. I was working at a hobby shop, so as old track got harder to find in decent condition, I switched to Gargraves. The track and switches look more realistic, except for the rail profile which is more like old Lionel tubular sectional track. The switches were lousy, so I used old Flyer ones instead of Gargraves. There is no hope of running scale wheels on Gargraves track reliably. When I discovered American Models and S Helper track, both were far superior to either Flyer or Gargraves in both appearance and operation. American Models track is like "grown up" HO track and great for building large layouts with detailed track. S Helper track suited my portable train show layouts needs better and featured switches with moving frogs which allows just about anything to go through them reliably. It also has the lowest rail height on which both Hi-rail and scale wheels work reliably. (I use both) There were adapter tracks for SHS, and the ballast height is the same as Flyer track with the huge ties, making it a no fuss transition. I have been using S Helper track ever since. In fact, I have used SHS on my train show layouts so long that the linkages to the switch frogs are wearing out! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72594	From: David	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: NEW Steamer Wheels

We are in the midst of developing some NEW SMALLER drive wheels for the old AF steamers. Basically we are going to do away with white wall face thickness which drops the engine down about .074" so you will have to file off the bottom of the chassis to compensate for this. The dia. of the new wheel will be around 1.090" as opposed to the old dia. of 1.218 or so. This new wheel will also lower the steam chests and cow catcher. Better looking all around. The material of choice at present will be DELRIN as it runs a lot more quietly. The face of the new wheels will resemble the Dryfus wheels with a few changes. Questions? LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72595	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels

Any chance you will be making smaller flanges for scale or keeping the hi-rail profile? thanks Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Micorferroequineologist On 7/15/2013 9:54 AM, David wrote: > > We are in the midst of developing some NEW SMALLER drive wheels for the > old AF steamers. > > Basically we are going to do away with white wall face thickness which > drops the engine down about .074" so you will have to file off the > bottom of the chassis to compensate for this. The dia. of the new wheel > will be around 1.090" as opposed to the old dia. of 1.218 or so. This > new wheel will also lower the steam chests and cow catcher. Better > looking all around. > > The material of choice at present will be DELRIN as it runs a lot more > quietly. > > The face of the new wheels will resemble the Dryfus wheels with a few > changes. > > Questions? > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72596	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels

Carey,      We can do both.      What do you think most people will want? Dave LBR Enterprises,llc ________________________________ From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW Steamer Wheels   Any chance you will be making smaller flanges for scale or keeping the hi-rail profile? thanks Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Micorferroequineologist On 7/15/2013 9:54 AM, David wrote: > > We are in the midst of developing some NEW SMALLER drive wheels for the > old AF steamers. > > Basically we are going to do away with white wall face thickness which > drops the engine down about .074" so you will have to file off the > bottom of the chassis to compensate for this. The dia. of the new wheel > will be around 1.090" as opposed to the old dia. of 1.218 or so. This > new wheel will also lower the steam chests and cow catcher. Better > looking all around. > > The material of choice at present will be DELRIN as it runs a lot more > quietly. > > The face of the new wheels will resemble the Dryfus wheels with a few > changes. > > Questions? > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72597	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels

Can't speak for others but I would like to convert the drivers to scale flanges as well as the pilot and trailing wheels. Don't know how many orders you would need to justify but I need for a variety of Hudsons, Northerns, Pacifics and 0-8-0's. Also depends on price since people like me will need a lot of wheels and I don't have that many engines. Maybe you could take pre-orders once you come up with a price and then determine demand. What has to be filed of the chassis? Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Micorferroequineologist On 7/15/2013 3:27 PM, LBR Photo Cards, Dave wrote: > > Carey, > We can do both. > What do you think most people will want? > Dave > LBR Enterprises,llc > > > ________________________________ > From: Carey Probst <s-scale@... <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW Steamer Wheels > > > > Any chance you will be making smaller flanges for scale or keeping the > hi-rail profile? > > thanks > > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Micorferroequineologist > On 7/15/2013 9:54 AM, David wrote: > > > > We are in the midst of developing some NEW SMALLER drive wheels for the > > old AF steamers. > > > > Basically we are going to do away with white wall face thickness which > > drops the engine down about .074" so you will have to file off the > > bottom of the chassis to compensate for this. The dia. of the new wheel > > will be around 1.090" as opposed to the old dia. of 1.218 or so. This > > new wheel will also lower the steam chests and cow catcher. Better > > looking all around. > > > > The material of choice at present will be DELRIN as it runs a lot more > > quietly. > > > > The face of the new wheels will resemble the Dryfus wheels with a few > > changes. > > > > Questions? > > > > LBR > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72598	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels

What size are scale flanges? You will have to file off about .074" from the chassis bottom. I'll get you the exact measurement later. The new wheels should not have an effect on the pilot truck, might take a little filing on the trailing truck attach points. ________________________________ From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW Steamer Wheels   Can't speak for others but I would like to convert the drivers to scale flanges as well as the pilot and trailing wheels. Don't know how many orders you would need to justify but I need for a variety of Hudsons, Northerns, Pacifics and 0-8-0's. Also depends on price since people like me will need a lot of wheels and I don't have that many engines. Maybe you could take pre-orders once you come up with a price and then determine demand. What has to be filed of the chassis? Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Micorferroequineologist On 7/15/2013 3:27 PM, LBR Photo Cards, Dave wrote: > > Carey, > We can do both. > What do you think most people will want? > Dave > LBR Enterprises,llc > > > ________________________________ > From: Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com>> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW Steamer Wheels > > > > Any chance you will be making smaller flanges for scale or keeping the > hi-rail profile? > > thanks > > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Micorferroequineologist > On 7/15/2013 9:54 AM, David wrote: > > > > We are in the midst of developing some NEW SMALLER drive wheels for the > > old AF steamers. > > > > Basically we are going to do away with white wall face thickness which > > drops the engine down about .074" so you will have to file off the > > bottom of the chassis to compensate for this. The dia. of the new wheel > > will be around 1.090" as opposed to the old dia. of 1.218 or so. This > > new wheel will also lower the steam chests and cow catcher. Better > > looking all around. > > > > The material of choice at present will be DELRIN as it runs a lot more > > quietly. > > > > The face of the new wheels will resemble the Dryfus wheels with a few > > changes. > > > > Questions? > > > > LBR > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72599	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels

Again, what good are whitewall-less smaller Box Pox drivers going to be? The AF versions are undersized to begin with….and what would a chassis be used on with closer spaced driver centers? Going the other way would make sense….larger closer to scale size drivers with Spoked or Box Pox centers (Scullins were limited to very few prototypes). Scale flanges would make sense as IIRC they work pretty well even on Flyer curves and allow closer to scale drivers. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72600	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS

I was just watching RFDTV & they had on a program of steamers from the Penn RR. What caught my eye were what appear to be capolas on the rear of the tenders. Was this common or only on coal trains? Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72601	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: NEW Steamer Wheels

Yep even with huge flanges the prewar 5/16th O gauge Flyer wheels were nearer prototype in size and look better with the same bodies. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:26:56 -0500 Subject:RE: [S-Trains] NEW Steamer Wheels   Again, what good are whitewall-less smaller Box Pox drivers going to be? The AF versions are undersized to begin with….and what would a chassis be used on with closer spaced driver centers? Going the other way would make sense….larger closer to scale size drivers with Spoked or Box Pox centers (Scullins were limited to very few prototypes). Scale flanges would make sense as IIRC they work pretty well even on Flyer curves and allow closer to scale drivers. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZGQ2am51BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjU5OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzM5Mjg3NTQ-?act=reply&messageNum=72599 [2] mailto:cvlk@...?subject=RE%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20NEW%20Steamer%20Wheels [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20NEW%20Steamer%20Wheels [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjOHU2am02BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzM5Mjg3NTQ- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72594;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZmcycHBzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjU5OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzM5Mjg3NTQEdHBjSWQDNzI1OTQ- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazRnYWsyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzczOTI4NzU0 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcWJhaDRlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzM5Mjg3NTQ- [8] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMmdwcm9yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3MzkyODc1NA-- [10] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [11] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [12] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [13] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [14] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72602	From: James Lyle	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS

The "houses" we're for they head brakeman to get him out of the cab. Basically a square hole was cut in tender deck and the "shanty" was set in. Almost exclusively on freight engines. Near the end of steam, a soaked brakie might appear at top of the coal pile because the tender scoop flooded the poorly maintained shanty floor, before the hatch blew open due to the incoming water flow Who knows the easy way to ascertain whether a Pennsy steamer is freight or passenger service??,, Diesel or electric??? Jim " livin' on the Pennsy Main" Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2013, at 6:29 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > I was just watching RFDTV & they had on a program of steamers from the > Penn RR. What caught my eye were what appear to be capolas on the rear of the > tenders. Was this common or only on coal trains? Mike > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72603	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS

What this was is known as a doghouse , this is where the front / headend brakeman was to ride so as to be able to see more of both sides of his part of the train ( looking out for hot journals ) than could be seen from the engine cab , it was equipped with steam heat for winter and was a better place to ride than in the cab in the summer as it was a lot cooler, this was used only on the larger road freight engines on the P.R.R. like the I-1 L -1 M-1 J-1 & Q - 2 . Passenger engines did not have or need a doghouse , so you will not see it on the E class orthe K-4 /5 or the T-1. While this was largely an eastern practice , some western roads did have them . Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use . Send us Feedback [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72604	From: Jerry	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS

IIRC, Pennsy had round number badges on the front of a steamer to designate freight service, and "keystone" plaques for passenger service. Was I right? Don't know about diesels, though. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, James Lyle <WJJIM@...> wrote: > Who knows the easy way to ascertain whether a Pennsy steamer is freight or passenger service??,, Diesel or electric??? > > Jim " livin' on the Pennsy Main" Lyle > Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72605	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 7/15/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS

NO just look at any M-1 J-1 or Q-2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72606	From: James Lyle	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS

Most painted or decal PRR Keystones had a "gold" interior field if passenger, white field if freight. As always, there must have the occasional exception. Correct on the steam loco numbers. The "doghouse" was thought to be a good place to catch a nap, as well. Jim "stringing wire on the Pennsy Main" Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:02 PM, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > IIRC, Pennsy had round number badges on the front of a steamer to designate freight service, and "keystone" plaques for passenger service. Was I right? > > Don't know about diesels, though. > > Jerry > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, James Lyle <WJJIM@...> wrote: > >> Who knows the easy way to ascertain whether a Pennsy steamer is freight or passenger service??,, Diesel or electric??? >> >> Jim " livin' on the Pennsy Main" Lyle >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72607	From: David	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

We are considering making a capital investment in computers and associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can be epoxied. We would like to have a head count before starting this process. Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x 5" x 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it for you. Your thoughts? LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72608	From: Jerry	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Re: PENN RR TENDERS

Oh well. Wrong again... If only it were the first time! Someone at the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum told me that. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Inscho" <roninscho@...> wrote: > > NO just look at any M-1 J-1 or Q-2 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72609	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

so you going to buy a 3d printer -----Original Message----- From: David <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units We are considering making a capital investment in computers and associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can be epoxied. We would like to have a head count before starting this process. Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x 5" x 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it for you. Your thoughts? LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72610	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

The 3D printer is coming out about Sept at Office Depot for about 700 - 800 dollars.... Bob Conner ________________________________ From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units   so you going to buy a 3d printer -----Original Message----- From: David <mailto:reujan2000%40yahoo.com> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units We are considering making a capital investment in computers and associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can be epoxied. We would like to have a head count before starting this process. Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x 5" x 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it for you. Your thoughts? LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72611	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 7/16/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

I think it is a great start, but would suggest going allot further, just think of the possiblities, offering new (old engines higher detail to fit on old AF frames and motors), not just rehash of a 302 but one with all the trimmings and pipes detailed, this is a great start, with just printing the bodies to fit certian underframes costs should be min. instead of a complete new build, my self I dont care allot for the new engines, too complicated neat but complicated and costly, give me a early 47 302 with the wires love it. Jim Davidson ________________________________ From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units   so you going to buy a 3d printer -----Original Message----- From: David <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units We are considering making a capital investment in computers and associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can be epoxied. We would like to have a head count before starting this process. Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x 5" x 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it for you. Your thoughts? LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72612	From: John	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

Add 1 to your counter. I'd use the service. John Zurad --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote: > > > We are considering making a capital investment in computers and > associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. > > All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can > be epoxied. > > We would like to have a head count before starting this process. > > Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. > > The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x 5" x > 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it for > you. > > Your thoughts? > > LBR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72613	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: PENN RR TENDERS

Under the "prototype for anything" banner, let me add this to the discussion: We had a few ex-Pennsylvania RR train crewmen and shop men who were customers at the hobby shop I used to work at. The question of Brunswick Green came up one time. This was a VERY dark green and looked very sharp with five gold stripes on GG-1's! A shop man told us that while there was a formula as to how much black and how much green were to be mixed to match this color, shop forces were not inclined toward being all that accurate. It was common to use all black with just a bit of green "slopped into the mix from a can." Later, they didn't bother to use any green. If you have been around railroading long, you'll notice that every shop seemed to develop it's own "acceptable" standards. And the period you're talking about also makes a difference as to what colors and standards were used. Then there are unique situations such as on the Southern Pacifc on which there was an "unofficial" competition between shops to create and maintain one 0-6-0 switcher to rather extreme appearance as representative of that shop. When it comes to steam locomotives, it is often hard to tell coloring, so little differences go unnoticed. I like to collect historic videos and photos, but even color photography can be inaccurate due to changes in film emulsions as the technology evolved, and then the aging of prints and slides. Despite the Pennsy being the "Standard Railroad of The World," I submit that there were very likely lots of little deviations from what was set down by headquarters, just as you'll find in any industry. So the "wrong" style number plate or incorrect background colors on it could be as common as Brunswick Green engines that were really black. Even though I am considered "The Mad Butcher" by some for kitbashing old Flyer stuff, I try to be accurate to the railroad I'm trying to represent with the rebuilt loco. That's not always as simple as following company regulations when you see photos that don't bare that out. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72614	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Screw for AF Semaphore Arm

Good Afternoon All, I need some help locating the shouldered screw that holds the Semaphore arm to the post. I don't think it's the same as the screw that holds the arm to the post for Sam the Semaphore. I just want to be sure to get the right one. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72615	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Amer. Flyer cattle 'pads'

I have a few Amer. Flyer ‘steers’ that need new felt pads … they need re-shod !! Which product (and which supplier) would you recommend ? I’ve seen @ three different such products [at various times] in the past. I purchased some very thin tan/brown ones a few years back, but the one I applied to a ‘steer’ didn’t seem to move him along very well; if he moved at all, he just sort-of circled in-place. Many thanks, in advance, for your suggestions “Happy railS to you …” Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72616	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

3d printing is not as strong cast plastic . -----Original Message----- From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:54 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units I think it is a great start, but would suggest going allot further, just think of the possiblities, offering new (old engines higher detail to fit on old AF frames and motors), not just rehash of a 302 but one with all the trimmings and pipes detailed, this is a great start, with just printing the bodies to fit certian underframes costs should be min. instead of a complete new build, my self I dont care allot for the new engines, too complicated neat but complicated and costly, give me a early 47 302 with the wires love it. Jim Davidson ________________________________ From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units so you going to buy a 3d printer -----Original Message----- From: David <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units We are considering making a capital investment in computers and associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can be epoxied. We would like to have a head count before starting this process. Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x 5" x 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it for you. Your thoughts? LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72617	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Screw for AF Semaphore Arm

Hi Bob, � Correct part number is S-283. I checked my junk boxes. Couldn't find one for you. These were never reproduced. � Tom Seccia � Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...> To: s-trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Screw for AF Semaphore Arm   Good Afternoon All, I need some help locating the shouldered screw that holds the Semaphore arm to the post. I don't think it's the same as the screw that holds the arm to the post for Sam the Semaphore. I just want to be sure to get the right one. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72618	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

How strong...... they have already made a GUN that will fire!!!!!! Bob ________________________________ From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units   3d printing is not as strong cast plastic . -----Original Message----- From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <mailto:jad01%40bellsouth.net> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:54 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units I think it is a great start, but would suggest going allot further, just think of the possiblities, offering new (old engines higher detail to fit on old AF frames and motors), not just rehash of a 302 but one with all the trimmings and pipes detailed, this is a great start, with just printing the bodies to fit certian underframes costs should be min. instead of a complete new build, my self I dont care allot for the new engines, too complicated neat but complicated and costly, give me a early 47 302 with the wires love it. Jim Davidson ________________________________ From: "mailto:Noplowboy%40aol.com" <mailto:Noplowboy%40aol.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units so you going to buy a 3d printer -----Original Message----- From: David <mailto:reujan2000%40yahoo.com> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units We are considering making a capital investment in computers and associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can be epoxied. We would like to have a head count before starting this process. Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x 5" x 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it for you. Your thoughts? LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72619	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Screw for AF Semaphore Arm

Hi Bob You might want to try either triple s seccia@... <mailto:seccia@...> or Doug peck doug@... <mailto:doug@...> The part number is s 283 shoulder screw good luck Stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Moyer Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:38 PM To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] Screw for AF Semaphore Arm Good Afternoon All, I need some help locating the shouldered screw that holds the Semaphore arm to the post. I don't think it's the same as the screw that holds the arm to the post for Sam the Semaphore. I just want to be sure to get the right one. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72620	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer cattle 'pads'

Hi Ron The suppliers I use are Triple S Tom Seccia seccia@... <mailto:seccia@...> or Todd trainsmore@... <mailto:trainsmore@...> or Doug doug@... <mailto:doug@...> they all have replacement matts good luck Stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Warner, Ronald Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer cattle 'pads' I have a few Amer. Flyer ‘steers’ that need new felt pads … they need re-shod !! Which product (and which supplier) would you recommend ? I’ve seen @ three different such products [at various times] in the past. I purchased some very thin tan/brown ones a few years back, but the one I applied to a ‘steer’ didn’t seem to move him along very well; if he moved at all, he just sort-of circled in-place. Many thanks, in advance, for your suggestions “Happy railS to you …” Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72621	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: 2013 NASG Convention Clinics Updated

Group, I just updated the NASG web site with the latest clinics information for the 2013 NASG Convention. A couple of new clinics have been added since the last update, and the exact dates and times for each clinic are posted as well. You can view them here: http://www.nasg.org/Convention/2013/why.htm#clinics These start three weeks from tomorrow! The convention's home page is here: http://www.nasg.org/Convention/2013/index.htm or nasgconvention.com See ya there! - Peter. -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72622	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 7/17/2013
Subject: Re: Amer. Flyer cattle 'pads'

thanks so much Stan Ron W. ________________________________ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Stanley Sobieski [americanflyer@...] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer cattle 'pads' Hi Ron The suppliers I use are Triple S Tom Seccia seccia@...<mailto:seccia%40aol.com> <mailto:seccia@...<mailto:seccia%40aol.com>> or Todd trainsmore@...<mailto:trainsmore%40aol.com> <mailto:trainsmore@...<mailto:trainsmore%40aol.com>> or Doug doug@...<mailto:doug%40portlines.com> <mailto:doug@...<mailto:doug%40portlines.com>> they all have replacement matts good luck Stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Warner, Ronald Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com<mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Amer. Flyer cattle 'pads' I have a few Amer. Flyer �steers� that need new felt pads � they need re-shod !! Which product (and which supplier) would you recommend ? I�ve seen @ three different such products [at various times] in the past. I purchased some very thin tan/brown ones a few years back, but the one I applied to a �steer� didn�t seem to move him along very well; if he moved at all, he just sort-of circled in-place. Many thanks, in advance, for your suggestions �Happy railS to you �� Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72623	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

"VERY STRONG" ________________________________ From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units   How strong...... they have already made a GUN that will fire!!!!!! Bob ________________________________ From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units   3d printing is not as strong cast plastic . -----Original Message----- From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <mailto:jad01%40bellsouth.net> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:54 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units I think it is a great start, but would suggest going allot further, just think of the possiblities, offering new (old engines higher detail to fit on old AF frames and motors), not just rehash of a 302 but one with all the trimmings and pipes detailed, this is a great start, with just printing the bodies to fit certian underframes costs should be min. instead of a complete new build, my self I dont care allot for the new engines, too complicated neat but complicated and costly, give me a early 47 302 with the wires love it. Jim Davidson ________________________________ From: "mailto:Noplowboy%40aol.com" <mailto:Noplowboy%40aol.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units so you going to buy a 3d printer -----Original Message----- From: David <mailto:reujan2000%40yahoo.com> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units We are considering making a capital investment in computers and associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can be epoxied. We would like to have a head count before starting this process. Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x 5" x 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it for you. Your thoughts? LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72624	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

70% as strong as injected plastics and 50% less expensive. More than strong enough for model trains. ________________________________ From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units   3d printing is not as strong cast plastic . -----Original Message----- From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:54 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units I think it is a great start, but would suggest going allot further, just think of the possiblities, offering new (old engines higher detail to fit on old AF frames and motors), not just rehash of a 302 but one with all the trimmings and pipes detailed, this is a great start, with just printing the bodies to fit certian underframes costs should be min. instead of a complete new build, my self I dont care allot for the new engines, too complicated neat but complicated and costly, give me a early 47 302 with the wires love it. Jim Davidson ________________________________ From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units so you going to buy a 3d printer -----Original Message----- From: David <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units We are considering making a capital investment in computers and associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can be epoxied. We would like to have a head count before starting this process. Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x 5" x 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it for you. Your thoughts? LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72625	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

yes but I would not make car parts , but for model train is fine --you can buy file to print by search the net -----Original Message----- From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 4:38 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units 70% as strong as injected plastics and 50% less expensive. More than strong enough for model trains. ________________________________ From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units 3d printing is not as strong cast plastic . -----Original Message----- From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:54 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units I think it is a great start, but would suggest going allot further, just think of the possiblities, offering new (old engines higher detail to fit on old AF frames and motors), not just rehash of a 302 but one with all the trimmings and pipes detailed, this is a great start, with just printing the bodies to fit certian underframes costs should be min. instead of a complete new build, my self I dont care allot for the new engines, too complicated neat but complicated and costly, give me a early 47 302 with the wires love it. Jim Davidson ________________________________ From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units so you going to buy a 3d printer -----Original Message----- From: David <reujan2000@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units We are considering making a capital investment in computers and associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can be epoxied. We would like to have a head count before starting this process. Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x 5" x 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it for you. Your thoughts? LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72626	From: alan smith	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

The weapon fired a considerable numbers of rounds before it was destroyed by the pressure. On Jul 18, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > "VERY STRONG" > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender > units > > > > How strong...... they have already made a GUN that will fire!!!!!! Bob > > ________________________________ > From: "Noplowboy@..." <Noplowboy@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender > units > > > > 3d printing is not as strong cast plastic . > > -----Original Message----- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <mailto:jad01%40bellsouth.net> > To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:54 am > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender > units > > I think it is a great start, but would suggest going allot further, > just think of the possiblities, offering new (old engines higher > detail to fit on old AF frames and motors), not just rehash of a 302 > but one with all the trimmings and pipes detailed, this is a great > start, with just printing the bodies to fit certian underframes > costs should be min. instead of a complete new build, my self I dont > care allot for the new engines, too complicated neat but complicated > and costly, give me a early 47 302 with the wires love it. Jim > Davidson > > ________________________________ > From: "mailto:Noplowboy%40aol.com" <mailto:Noplowboy%40aol.com> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender > units > > so you going to buy a 3d printer > > -----Original Message----- > From: David <mailto:reujan2000%40yahoo.com> > To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 7:53 am > Subject: [S-Trains] Making custom parts for your engine & tender units > > We are considering making a capital investment in computers and > associated equipment in order to produce custom parts for our clients. > > All parts will be made of black ABS PLASTIC which is paintable and can > be epoxied. > > We would like to have a head count before starting this process. > > Parts will probably cost between a few cents to a few dollars. > > The only restrictions are that the parts must be smaller than 5" x > 5" x > 5". You furnish the original part for production or we can design it > for > you. > > Your thoughts? > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72627	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Screw for AF Semaphore Arm

Hi Bob, you might try the right size screw (not the S-283) & put a small washer between the Flag arm & the up right, make sure the screw is long enough so you can leave a bit of space between. Mike In a message dated 7/18/2013 9:44:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Bob, Correct part number is S-283. I checked my junk boxes. Couldn't find one for you. These were never reproduced. Tom Seccia Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: Bob Moyer <_romoyer1@..._ (mailto:romoyer1@...) > To: s-trains <_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Screw for AF Semaphore Arm Good Afternoon All, I need some help locating the shouldered screw that holds the Semaphore arm to the post. I don't think it's the same as the screw that holds the arm to the post for Sam the Semaphore. I just want to be sure to get the right one. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72628	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/18/2013
Subject: Re: Screw for AF Semaphore Arm

PS: Bob, you might want to put a tiny bit of tubing or the covering from stripped wire to make up the shoulder, Mike In a message dated 7/18/2013 9:44:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Bob, Correct part number is S-283. I checked my junk boxes. Couldn't find one for you. These were never reproduced. Tom Seccia Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: Bob Moyer <_romoyer1@..._ (mailto:romoyer1@...) > To: s-trains <_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Screw for AF Semaphore Arm Good Afternoon All, I need some help locating the shouldered screw that holds the Semaphore arm to the post. I don't think it's the same as the screw that holds the arm to the post for Sam the Semaphore. I just want to be sure to get the right one. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72629	From: grchud	Date: 7/19/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

Don’t know if anyone has addressed this issue, but does anyone make custom scale wheel sets for the AF 6-48036 Mikado engine and tender? Thanks, Gary Chudzinski chudgr@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72630	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/19/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine & tender units

Sounds like a project for LBR's new custom design option. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Micorferroequineologist On 7/19/2013 11:55 AM, grchud wrote: > > Don’t know if anyone has addressed this issue, but does anyone make > custom scale wheel sets for the AF 6-48036 Mikado engine and tender? > > Thanks, > Gary Chudzinski > chudgr@... <mailto:chudgr%40earthlink.net> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72631	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/19/2013
Subject: Making custom parts for your engine and tender

It so happens that there's a young man in my car club (1/1th scale) who has a 3D printer. He makes all sots of interesting items, but has run up against some limitations. If you can't make very accurate CAD drawings, you get substandard results. The printer head does exactly what it is "told" to do. Very small parts do not get a chance to cool enough between passes of the head, so the parts are soft in construction which leads to warped parts. I suggested that he make an entire "plate" of the same thing to lengthen the time it takes for the head to return to the first part, allowing it to harden before more hot plastic is applied. That seemed to work. Of course then you have six or eight of something you only wanted one of! Even so, I am fascinated by this technology and it's possibilities. Until quite recently, the cost and knowledge required for a 3D printer was beyond everyone except business. But as the price comes down, more and more people will be able to try this cutting edge technology. Like home computers, tomorrow's hobbyist will have a 3D printer as a matter of course. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72632	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/19/2013
Subject: Re: Making custom parts for your engine and tender

Office Depot is supposed to start selling these in Sept - Oct for around 700.00    Bob ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 3:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Making custom parts for your engine and tender   It so happens that there's a young man in my car club (1/1th scale) who has a 3D printer. He makes all sots of interesting items, but has run up against some limitations. If you can't make very accurate CAD drawings, you get substandard results. The printer head does exactly what it is "told" to do. Very small parts do not get a chance to cool enough between passes of the head, so the parts are soft in construction which leads to warped parts. I suggested that he make an entire "plate" of the same thing to lengthen the time it takes for the head to return to the first part, allowing it to harden before more hot plastic is applied. That seemed to work. Of course then you have six or eight of something you only wanted one of! Even so, I am fascinated by this technology and it's possibilities. Until quite recently, the cost and knowledge required for a 3D printer was beyond everyone except business. But as the price comes down, more and more people will be able to try this cutting edge technology. Like home computers, tomorrow's hobbyist will have a 3D printer as a matter of course. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72633	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/20/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/21/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 21, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72634	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/21/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/21/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 21, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72635	From: Bud Rindfleisch	Date: 7/21/2013
Subject: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed

Hello all, I am in need of one set (4 axles) of scale 40" S Helper Service SW-9 diesel wheels. I can trade the Hi-rail wheelsets in exchange if needed. Thanks, Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72636	From: samuel.j.mccoy	Date: 7/21/2013
Subject: Re: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed

Bud Are you going to Scranton? Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rindfleisch" <BlackDiamondRR@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 4:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed > Hello all, > I am in need of one set (4 axles) of scale 40" S Helper Service SW-9 > diesel wheels. I can trade the Hi-rail wheelsets in exchange if needed. > Thanks, > Bud Rindfleisch > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72637	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: scale log car

Hi guys, I just received my first all scale, DC shey engine form PBL and it is beautiful. My problem is that I have been all AC highrail. I do have the DC transformer and it runs fantastic. Now I need a log car to pull behind it. Any ideas? Bud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72638	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: scale log car

How about ON30 log cars...... Change the trucks..... Bob ________________________________ From: wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 10:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] scale log car   Hi guys, I just received my first all scale, DC shey engine form PBL and it is beautiful. My problem is that I have been all AC highrail. I do have the DC transformer and it runs fantastic. Now I need a log car to pull behind it. Any ideas? Bud [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72639	From: hobbycj1	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: American Flyer Meters

Hi-- Is there a source for Amflyer Am & Volt meters for transformers 30B, 17B, & 19B. Help!! Thanks CJB Clement J Bianchi cj@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72640	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Meters

Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbies In a message dated 7/22/2013 4:08:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cj@... writes: Hi-- Is there a source for Amflyer Am & Volt meters for transformers 30B, 17B, & 19B. Help!! Thanks CJB Clement J Bianchi _cj@..._ (mailto:cj@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72641	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Meters

Hi Clement You might want to try Doug Peck @ doug @... or Tom Seccia seccia @... or Ron Leventon his phone # is 360-748-3643 he may have parts good luck Stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hobbycj1 Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 6:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Meters Hi-- Is there a source for Amflyer Am & Volt meters for transformers 30B, 17B, & 19B. Help!! Thanks CJB Clement J Bianchi cj@... <mailto:cj%40bianchi.net> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72642	From: wjgill1	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Meters

You might want to take a look at: www.tranz4mr.com/site/AF_30B.html This shows how to fix a non-working meter. A delicate operation, maybe not for the faint of heart but it is doable. Bill Gill Kelso, WA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "hobbycj1" <cj@...> wrote: > > Hi-- > Is there a source for Amflyer Am & Volt meters for transformers 30B, 17B, & 19B. Help!! > Thanks CJB > Clement J Bianchi > cj@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72643	From: Bud Rindfleisch	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed

Sam, Yes I will be going to the convention. Bud Rindfleisch --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "samuel.j.mccoy" <samuel.j.mccoy@...> wrote: > > Bud > > Are you going to Scranton? > > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud Rindfleisch" <BlackDiamondRR@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 4:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed > > > > Hello all, > > I am in need of one set (4 axles) of scale 40" S Helper Service SW-9 > > diesel wheels. I can trade the Hi-rail wheelsets in exchange if needed. > > Thanks, > > Bud Rindfleisch > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72644	From: samuel.j.mccoy	Date: 7/22/2013
Subject: Re: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed

The wheels will be there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rindfleisch" <BlackDiamondRR@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed > > Sam, Yes I will be going to the convention. > Bud Rindfleisch > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "samuel.j.mccoy" <samuel.j.mccoy@...> > wrote: >> >> Bud >> >> Are you going to Scranton? >> >> Sam >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bud Rindfleisch" <BlackDiamondRR@...> >> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 4:03 PM >> Subject: [S-Trains] S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed >> >> >> > Hello all, >> > I am in need of one set (4 axles) of scale 40" S Helper Service SW-9 >> > diesel wheels. I can trade the Hi-rail wheelsets in exchange if needed. >> > Thanks, >> > Bud Rindfleisch >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Enjoy thousands of great photos >> > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72645	From: bigswede073	Date: 7/23/2013
Subject: Re: scale log car

What Bob said!<br /><br />fmg: aka Don Munsey, Jr. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72646	From: scaler164	Date: 7/23/2013
Subject: WANTED : SHS Product Catalog Issues

I am looking for copies of the following S Helper Service Product Catalogs :      1999 issue      2006 issue      2007 issue I have the 2008 issue, but none after that.  So, if any were printed in 2009 or later, I want copies of those as well. If Don is reading this, maybe he can tell us when their last catalog was issued...?   BEST CONDITION POSSIBLE, PLEASE... no worn out, cut-up and/or marked-in issues. John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72647	From: traindavid	Date: 7/23/2013
Subject: OT: UP to restore Big Boy 4014 to operation!

Y'all ain't gonna believe this, but it's legit! http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2013/0723_4014.shtml Looks like they figure on 3 to 5 years. Wonder where they'll be able to run it? S' David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72648	From: Bud Rindfleisch	Date: 7/23/2013
Subject: Re: S Helper "scale" diesel wheelsets needed

OK Sam, will find you, you can run but you can't hide! LOL Bud Rindfleisch --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "samuel.j.mccoy" <samuel.j.mccoy@...> wrote: > > The wheels will be there. > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72649	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2013
Subject: Scale Log Car

The Bachmann On30 Skeleton Log Cars come as a three pack and are partially cast metal for decent weight. I have not done a conversion of these, but for "S scaling" most Bachmann On30 cars, the procedure is simple. You just remove the On30 trucks and couplers and replace them with S trucks and couplers. If you're Hi-railing and need the couplers to be truck mounted, you'll have to grind off the car's coupler pocket for clearance. Most On30 cars will "pass" for S scale pretty easily, but the Skeleton Cars especially. As an alternative, you can easily scratch build Skeleton Log Cars from strip wood. I've done this in HO, S, O, and On30. Of course, as cool as Skeleton Log Cars look, most logging operations used common flat cars to do the same thing. They also could easily be used for more than just hauling logs. Use any S gauge brand, and add long stakes to the stake pockets for the logs, or log bunks about an inch from each end of the car. Again scratch building a flat car is easy, and a good introduction to that part of the hobby. If you want to scratch build, just look up my Guide to Scratch Building S Gauge Rolling Stock on Chuck Harrington's http://myflyertrains.org website. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72650	From: David	Date: 7/24/2013
Subject: CJ Can Motor?

We should find out later today if we have a DC can motor assy. for the Casey Jones E&T units. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72651	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/24/2013
Subject: Plastic trucks on new Flyonel passenger cars

I was reading a product review for the Lionel Flyer streamlined baggage car and full-length vista dome cars in the latest issue of Classic Toy Trains, and was surprised to read that the cars ride on plastic trucks. As far as I know, streamlined cars built by Gilbert always had die cast truck sides with stamped frames. Was this an error, or is Lionel using plastic trucks on their ACG-style streamlined passenger cars now? Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72652	From: snstrains	Date: 7/24/2013
Subject: Re: CJ Can Motor?

You do! Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho In a message dated 7/24/2013 7:39:14 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, reujan2000@... writes: We should find out later today if we have a DC can motor assy. for the Casey Jones E&T units. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72653	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars

The era of metal trucks is just about gone forever. For a long time metal trucks were a "top of the line" thing which some collectors still prefer, but operators can do without. Today's plastic trucks are far freer rolling and with the right plastic are nearly as durable. The manufacturers no longer need heavy trucks for car weighting as that is engineered into the car or "sheet" weight is added in the floor. Now as to the quality of Flyonel trucks, that's been in question for years. But done right, "plastic is fantastic!" Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72654	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: CJ can motor?

As a rebuilder/customizer and operator, the lack of a can motor for the Casey Jones was one of the drawbacks of doing anything with these locomotives. I built two several years ago, but they ran poorly, so I haven't wasted my time with them since. Dave Benson at LBR is certainly the champion of Casey Jones builders and has come a VERY long way toward making these engines a viable customizing project that can run as good as it looks! With their extremely low price at train shows, a good can motor should be the last piece of the puzzle for customizers. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72655	From: afot7	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on new Flyonel passenger cars

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "srgriggs" <sgriggs@...> wrote: > > I was reading a product review for the Lionel Flyer streamlined baggage car and full-length vista dome cars in the latest issue of Classic Toy Trains, and was surprised to read that the cars ride on plastic trucks. As far as I know, streamlined cars built by Gilbert always had die cast truck sides with stamped frames. Was this an error, or is Lionel using plastic trucks on their ACG-style streamlined passenger cars now? > > Scott Griggs > Louisville, KY > Error my T/S add on cars have die cast truck sides with stamped frames.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72656	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars

Ok, brief change on audience, but not topic. I am getting into G-Scale since I have so much time on my hands now that I am retired (yeah, rightJ ). Anyway, I've been told that metal wheels are desirable on G-Scale cars - better wear, less friction, etc.. What's you take on this? I suspect the 'done right' part is key, and in general metal wheels will be more durable on the heavier G-Scale equipment because of lesser quality plastics used to keep prices down.. Ben Colley From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars The era of metal trucks is just about gone forever. For a long time metal trucks were a "top of the line" thing which some collectors still prefer, but operators can do without. Today's plastic trucks are far freer rolling and with the right plastic are nearly as durable. The manufacturers no longer need heavy trucks for car weighting as that is engineered into the car or "sheet" weight is added in the floor. Now as to the quality of Flyonel trucks, that's been in question for years. But done right, "plastic is fantastic!" Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72657	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars

Do these plastic trucks also have plastic wheels? Wasn't one of the problems with plastic wheels was that 'gunk' built up faster on the plastic and was deposited on the track?? Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 7/25/2013 13:07, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > The era of metal trucks is just about gone forever. For a long time > metal trucks were a "top of the line" thing which some collectors > still prefer, but operators can do without. > > Today's plastic trucks are far freer rolling and with the right > plastic are nearly as durable. The manufacturers no longer need heavy > trucks for car weighting as that is engineered into the car or "sheet" > weight is added in the floor. > > Now as to the quality of Flyonel trucks, that's been in question for > years. But done right, "plastic is fantastic!" > Stumpy in Ahia > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72658	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: For sale: HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set

I have an American Flyer HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set made in 1986. I opened the boxes to verify that the engine and each car are indeed in TCA C-9 (Factory New) to C-10 (Mint) condition. There is no set box; they weren't making set boxes in those days. The seven boxes are all in Like New P-8 or better condition with no notations, most with no corner or edge wear; a couple have small areas of aging and smudges. The 2012 TM Guide lists the set at $360 in C-10 condition. Greenberg doesn't list the set, but the individual items add up to $370. Make offer. If you would like to see what this set looks like, go to my website: thegilbertgallery.org/Sets Gallery/freight_sets-HAR4-NYC.html Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72659	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars

On 7/25/2013 7:02 AM, Ben E. Colley wrote: > Ok, brief change on audience, but not topic. I am getting into G-Scale > since I have so much time on my hands now that I am retired (yeah, rightJ ). Be careful or you may find yourself busier than when you were gainfully employed! I retired in 2006 and thought I would finally get to build the layout of my dreams. I got roped into teaching computer science classes for the local community college and now find I have less time than when I worked in IT full time. So far my train activities have been limited to restoring trains and the occasional floor layout. :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72660	From: lionely6b	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on new Flyonel passenger cars

Scott, I do not have the Erie cars in question, but I do own the contemporaneous D&RG streamlined cars, including a full dome car. These are fitted with the typical Flyer metal trucks with a stamped steel bolster and die cast side frames. This and looking at the end shot of the Erie full dome cars, leads me to believe that CTT (Bob Keller) misspoke. The couplers are plastic,of course. One could e-mail Bob Keller to double check. Bob Bubeck I was reading a product review for the Lionel Flyer streamlined baggage car and full-length vista dome cars in the latest issue of Classic Toy Trains, and was surprised to read that the cars ride on plastic trucks. As far as I know, streamlined cars built by Gilbert always had die cast truck sides with stamped frames. Was this an error, or is Lionel using plastic trucks on their ACG-style streamlined passenger cars now? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72661	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: OT: UP to restore Big Boy 4014 to operation!

This is really interesting. I would travel to where ever I had to to see and hear one of these engines run! Chuck Harrington On Jul 23, 2013, at 8:59 PM, djdewey@... wrote: > Y'all ain't gonna believe this, but it's legit! > http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2013/0723_4014.shtml > > Looks like they figure on 3 to 5 years. Wonder where they'll be able to run > it? > S' > David Dewey > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72662	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: OT: UP to restore Big Boy 4014 to operation!

How are they going to get it to from where it's at to where they want it? Are they going to "TOW/PUSH" it on the rails? Mike In a message dated 7/25/2013 2:24:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, myflyertrains@... writes: This is really interesting. I would travel to where ever I had to to see and hear one of these engines run! Chuck Harrington On Jul 23, 2013, at 8:59 PM, _djdewey@..._ (mailto:djdewey@...) wrote: > Y'all ain't gonna believe this, but it's legit! > http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2013/0723_4014.shtml > > Looks like they figure on 3 to 5 years. Wonder where they'll be able to run > it? > S' > David Dewey > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72663	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Peter Vanvliet: 2 Qstns, re Regstr'n, 2013 NASG Convention

Hi Peter - Thanks for doing the nice website, and thanks for your information of 7/17 (copied below). Now, a couple of questions, re the Wed 8/7 thru Saturday 8/10 NASG Steamtown Convention. Can you tell us: * QUESTION #1: Is it possible to do "AT THE DOOR" registration, for people who are already NASG members ? * QUESTION #2: Is there any "PUBLIC DAY", where non-NASG members can get in (also "at the door"), without having to pay an additional $25 for NASG membership ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EXPLANATIONS: Q1. There are some of us who live about 80 miles west of Scranton -- out here in the middle of rural "Pennsyltucky". A few of us might be able to get to the convention for a day, but it would probably be a "last minute" thing. Hence Question #1, about "registering at the door". ~~~ Q2. Most of the Susquehanna S Gaugers members are NOT NASG members, and many are on very TIGHT BUDGETS -- due to poor economic conditions here in this rural area. Some might possibly attend for a day, if they could register at the door. But if they have to pay $20 for registration, plus another $25 for membership they will never use again (from their point of view) -- that might be a "discouragement". Hence Question #2, about "Is there any 'PUBLIC day'". I thought I remember this from past NASG conventions, but I cannot find any mention of it on the current website. THANKS for any information you can give us. If I go strictly by what I think I see on the website, it appears that the answer to both my questions would be "NO". But I wanted to confirm this. I APOLOGIZE . . . . . . . if I am asking questions that are already answered on the website, but I did not read closely enough. |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | - James R. Ingram, Susquehanna S Gaugers Assistant Grunt | http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com | Williamsport PA Voice Mail 570-322-7597 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:29 PM, Peter Vanvliet wrote: > > Group, > > I just updated the NASG web site with the latest clinics information for > the 2013 NASG Convention. A couple of new clinics have been added since > the last update, and the exact dates and times for each clinic are > posted as well. You can view them here: > > http://www.nasg.org/Convention/2013/why.htm#clinics > > These start three weeks from tomorrow! > > The convention's home page is here: > > http://www.nasg.org/Convention/2013/index.htm > > or > > nasgconvention.com > > See ya there! > - Peter. > > -- > > Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) > Houston, Texas > > My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed > <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) > Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> > Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> > N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> > -- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72664	From: Jim Marcinik	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: For sale: HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set

-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 7/25/13, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: Subject: [S-Trains] For sale: HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set To: "Sgauge Available" <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>, "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Date: Thursday, July 25, 2013, 2:52 PM Dear Bob Thank You for the offer on the HARC4 NYC. PLEASE QUIT quoting TM and Greenberg their quotes on value are next to meaningless. You will be happy to get 15.00 to 20.00 per car. The engine came with the lightning stripe decal un attached in most editions (packed in box ) due to Lionels total incapability at the time to be able to produce a perfect item and they admitted this. Even though prototypically it was produced either way. Engines value today is still pretty mutch 1980's cost. Good Luck Jim   I have an American Flyer HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set made in 1986. I opened the boxes to verify that the engine and each car are indeed in TCA C-9 (Factory New) to C-10 (Mint) condition. There is no set box; they weren't making set boxes in those days. The seven boxes are all in Like New P-8 or better condition with no notations, most with no corner or edge wear; a couple have small areas of aging and smudges. The 2012 TM Guide lists the set at $360 in C-10 condition. Greenberg doesn't list the set, but the individual items add up to $370. Make offer. If you would like to see what this set looks like, go to my website: thegilbertgallery.org/Sets Gallery/freight_sets-HAR4-NYC.html Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72665	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: For sale: HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set

photos? ________________________________ From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>; s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] For sale: HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set   I have an American Flyer HAR4 NYC Diesel Freight Set made in 1986. I opened the boxes to verify that the engine and each car are indeed in TCA C-9 (Factory New) to C-10 (Mint) condition. There is no set box; they weren't making set boxes in those days. The seven boxes are all in Like New P-8 or better condition with no notations, most with no corner or edge wear; a couple have small areas of aging and smudges. The 2012 TM Guide lists the set at $360 in C-10 condition. Greenberg doesn't list the set, but the individual items add up to $370. Make offer. If you would like to see what this set looks like, go to my website: thegilbertgallery.org/Sets Gallery/freight_sets-HAR4-NYC.html Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72666	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on new Flyonel passenger cars

That's good to know. I was going to be surprised if they had gone to plastic sideframes for add on cars to be used with older cars with die cast trucks. But I haven't bought a Flyonel pass car in a while. Thanks all. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote: > > > > Scott, > > > I do not have the Erie cars in question, but I do own the contemporaneous D&RG streamlined cars, including a full dome car. These are fitted with the typical Flyer metal trucks with a stamped steel bolster and die cast side frames. This and looking at the end shot of the Erie full dome cars, leads me to believe that CTT (Bob Keller) misspoke. The couplers are plastic,of course. One could e-mail Bob Keller to double check. > > > Bob Bubeck > > I was reading a product review for the Lionel Flyer streamlined baggage car and full-length vista dome cars in the latest issue of Classic Toy Trains, and was surprised to read that the cars ride on plastic trucks. As far as I know, streamlined cars built by Gilbert always had die cast truck sides with stamped frames. Was this an error, or is Lionel using plastic trucks on their ACG-style streamlined passenger cars now? > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72667	From: srgriggs	Date: 7/25/2013
Subject: Re: OT: UP to restore Big Boy 4014 to operation!

The 4014 was delivered to So Cal on rails, and I would expect the UP to move it back to Cheyenne on rails. How would it look for the mighty UP to move their trophy on a lowboy truck? It will be interesting to see how much prep they have to do on the machine before they deadhead it back to their steam shop. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > How are they going to get it to from where it's at to where they want it? > Are they going to "TOW/PUSH" it on the rails? Mike > > > In a message dated 7/25/2013 2:24:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > myflyertrains@... writes: > > > > > This is really interesting. I would travel to where ever I had to to see > and hear one of these engines run! > > Chuck Harrington > > On Jul 23, 2013, at 8:59 PM, _djdewey@..._ > (mailto:djdewey@...) wrote: > > > Y'all ain't gonna believe this, but it's legit! > > > http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2013/0723_4014.shtml > > > > Looks like they figure on 3 to 5 years. Wonder where they'll be able to > run > > it? > > S' > > David Dewey > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72668	From: David	Date: 7/26/2013
Subject: CJ Can Motor Price (Advertisement)

Thanks to RICH GILLETTE (New Co- Owner) of S-n-S trains in Boise, ID we now have a can motor for the Casey Jones E&T's. This will put the finishing touch to your kit bashed CJ 4-4-0 projects. ($35.99 ea. + $5.00 S&H) These motors are DC but may be ordered with a 2 amp bridge rectifier for AC operation. ($37.99 ea. + $5.00 S&H) Also don't forget you can also order these motors with a DALLEE #518 reversing unit for 4 step (Fwd., Neu., Rev., Neu.) operation. ($75.99 ea. + $5.00 S&H) We will also continue to install these motors in your CJ should you require this service ( Please Email for installation price quote). LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72669	From: David	Date: 7/26/2013
Subject: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> Thank you for your interest in our projects. "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72670	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/26/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

I think you can also get these from SnS in Idaho...Mike In a message dated 7/26/2013 3:32:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, reujan2000@... writes: You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> Thank you for your interest in our projects. "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72671	From: DarylO	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Game Train Game

Does anybody have a list of what is supposed to come with the Game Train game? I just picked one up and I know it's missing some game pieces. I'd like to know what's missing. The instruction sheet for how to play the 3 games is also missing. Daryl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72672	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars

While plastic truck frames are preferable for performance and far lower roll resistance, metal wheels pick up less rail crud and are longer lasting. You can clean metal easier with no damage. As to G gauge and it is "big" fun. I did it outdoors from 1983 to 1997, did "small scale" live steam, and wrote for Garden Railways for six years during that time. I even ventured in 7/8" scale by scratch building bodies onto LGB chassis and using their (and Delton) trucks and couplers. I eventually found that I just didn't have the knees and back for crawling around doing maintenance on my backyard empire. As far as retirement, I was told that I'd be busier after I retired than before. Of course I thought the folks who told me that were snorting some bad stuff. However, they were right! Without nine or ten hours a day working and travel time, I have many more hours to get into trouble! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72673	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

I'd recommend Steve's new owner for any can motor & reverse unit. In all my years of dealing with them, I have never had an issue with not getting my items from them. Also You might save some $$...Mike In a message dated 7/26/2013 3:32:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, reujan2000@... writes: You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> Thank you for your interest in our projects. "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72674	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/28/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 28, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72675	From: alan smith	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

M, Who do you think put the time and effort in bringing this into reality? Sent components so it could be sized and developed? Did all the up front leg work while at the SAME TIME bashing a worthless C J into something that resembled an engine. I think we should give credit where credit is due. I seem to recall it was spelled out as who "STEVE" and where "S N S" these can be purchased. HUM - Wonder WHO ? They only made one perfect man ---- they nailed him to a Cross. Long live American Flyer!!!! Best regards to all. Al On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:25 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > I'd recommend Steve's new owner for any can motor & reverse unit. In > all > my years of dealing with them, I have never had an issue with not > getting my > items from them. Also You might save some $$...Mike > > > In a message dated 7/26/2013 3:32:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > reujan2000@... writes: > > You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our > web > site at: > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html > <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> > > Thank you for your interest in our projects. > > "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72676	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Alan, I have to agree with you here. Sure  S-N-S has can motors, but  will any of them fit on a Casey Jones chassis without any modification. LBR has done that for us. If I had a C.j I would go with LBR  for mine.            Alan Lambert         ________________________________ From: alan smith <alansmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO   M, Who do you think put the time and effort in bringing this into reality? Sent components so it could be sized and developed? Did all the up front leg work while at the SAME TIME bashing a worthless C J into something that resembled an engine. I think we should give credit where credit is due. I seem to recall it was spelled out as who "STEVE" and where "S N S" these can be purchased. HUM - Wonder WHO ? They only made one perfect man ---- they nailed him to a Cross. Long live American Flyer!!!! Best regards to all. Al On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:25 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > I'd recommend Steve's new owner for any can motor & reverse unit. In > all > my years of dealing with them, I have never had an issue with not > getting my > items from them. Also You might save some $$...Mike > > > In a message dated 7/26/2013 3:32:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > reujan2000@... writes: > > You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our > web > site at: > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html > <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> > > Thank you for your interest in our projects. > > "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72677	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/27/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

Alan Really? I guess you didn't look at the photo very well. It was done by SnS.... Mike In a message dated 7/27/2013 9:14:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alanlambert64@... writes: From: Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas Alan, I have to agree with you here. Sure S-N-S has can motors, but will any of them fit on a Casey Jones chassis without any modification. LBR has done that for us. If I had a C.j I would go with LBR for mine. Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: alan smith <_alansmith@..._ (mailto:alansmith@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO M, Who do you think put the time and effort in bringing this into reality? Sent components so it could be sized and developed? Did all the up front leg work while at the SAME TIME bashing a worthless C J into something that resembled an engine. I think we should give credit where credit is due. I seem to recall it was spelled out as who "STEVE" and where "S N S" these can be purchased. HUM - Wonder WHO ? They only made one perfect man ---- they nailed him to a Cross. Long live American Flyer!!!! Best regards to all. Al On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:25 PM, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote: > I'd recommend Steve's new owner for any can motor & reverse unit. In > all > my years of dealing with them, I have never had an issue with not > getting my > items from them. Also You might save some $$...Mike > > > In a message dated 7/26/2013 3:32:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > _reujan2000@..._ (mailto:reujan2000@...) writes: > > You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our > web > site at: > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html > <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> > > Thank you for your interest in our projects. > > "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72678	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: CJ New Can Motor Photo

Nope, the regular SnS motor will NOT fit the CJ chassis unless you have your own machine shop. I tried it a few years ago in a couple of my kit bashes. The lack of a good motor at that time turned me away from doing anything with the Casey Jones' from then on. As an old junkyard guy said years ago; "You can't polish a turd." Dave at LBR has done ALL kit bashers/customizers a service by focusing his efforts on this generally cheesy loco from Flyer's declining years. Not only can you "polish" the appearance, but now you can make it run as good as it can look! With the poor quality, crude looks, and zero collectability (except for the one)of the common CJ, they are great fodder for budding kit bashers/customizers. They are cheap (I got one at the last Spree for ten bucks)and even if you ruin the loco shell beyond repair, you still have a complete tender and a few spare parts. (I have cut the loco shells up to get the headlight, stack, cowcatcher, and domes for other projects.) If you have ever wanted to try customizing an old Flyer loco but were hesitant to try it, fear no more! The CJ begs for reworking! You can do a little changing or go "hog wild" on this one. And now there's a motor to make it run well too. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72679	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/28/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 28, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72680	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: S Scale layout article

The September issue of MR has a nice layout article titled California Dreaming in S Scale.. Brady Sent from the Kindle Fire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72681	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: Game Train Game

Daryl, I have posted ten pictures of my Game Train set in my photo album "acgilbertguy". I believe my set is complete. Hopefully this helps you determine what is missing in your set. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "DarylO" <jaytewilli@...> wrote: > > Does anybody have a list of what is supposed to come with the Game Train game? I just picked one up and I know it's missing some game pieces. I'd like to know what's missing. The instruction sheet for how to play the 3 games is also missing. > > Daryl >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72682	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: -Video: NCE DCC Mini-Panel & Power Cab, Controlling S ga. Pt to Pt.

- SUBJECT: Video: NCE DCC Mini-Panel & Power Cab -- controlling S Ga. Automatic Pnt-To-Pnt Operation Using 2 Turnouts For a Passing Siding THE LINK: http://vimeo.com/71002671 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I. ABOUT THIS VIDEO #806: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This Video #806 shows an NCE DCC "Mini-Panel" (programmable automatic controller for NCE DCC) used with an NCE 'POWER CAB' (the all-in-one hand-held DCC system). They are controlling an 'S Helper Service' S-gauge diesel with a Soundtraxx Tsunami sound decoder -- operating AUTOMATICALLY point-to-point on ALTERNATING routes, using 2 turnouts to create a passing side. This point-to-point display operated inside the two circular loops on Mark & Doris Anderman's 18 foot-long display layout, at the November 2012 "Toy Train Expo" in Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Additional Links for the following 3 "support items" can be found here: http://track2.com/ingram/pic+vid/pic+vid.shtml#806 • PHOTOS of Mark & Doris Anderman's display layout • WIRING diagram, for connecting Mini-Panel to layout • File documenting COMMANDS used in Mini-Panel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ II. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Note that although this point-to-point layout is done in S gauge, it could be done in almost ANY gauge (N, HO, S, O, & LargeScale) -- as long as the locos use DCC decoders that follow the NMRA STANDARDS, and you can get enough amperage to the turnout solenoids (S gauge are particularly "current hungry".) • If you're not familiar with the NCE "Mini-Panel", it is a 6 inch square microprocessor board, into which you can "program" simple DCC commands -- such as 'start', 'stop', throw a turnout, and many other commands. • The commands are executed when a reed switch, electric eye, push button, or other input is triggered. • Said another way, almost any command you can send by pushing buttons on your NCE 'Pro Cab' handheld control unit or your 'Power Cab' all-in-one controller -- the Mini-Panel can send them for you, by executing whatever sequence you program into it. An NCE "Snap It" switch controller, a capicator-discharge device -- with extra capacitance added -- is used to throw the "current hungry" S gauge turnouts. A wise gentleman named FRED CUPP showed me how to program and operate the Mini Panel, and also modified the 'Snap Its' by adding extra capacitors for more amperage, plus added the strobe lights to the top of the cabs of 2 of the 3 S ga. switchers. {{ Disclaimer: I'm not smart enough to figure out DCC by myself :) }}. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ III. PREVIOUS VIDEO #805: http://vimeo.com/31944032 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Note that the above-described Video #806 is very similar to the previous Video #805, except: (a) Video #805 uses the 'Powerhouse Pro' command station' -- instead of the less-expensive 'Power Cab' . (b) it uses just 1 turnout -- to operate an S gauge engine operating point-to-point -- alternating between 2 spurs. Note that this previous video #805 goes into MORE MORE detail about the COMMANDS. It discusses the commands one by one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ IV. PREVIOUS VIDEO #804: http://vimeo.com/17627955 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This Video #804 is the first Mini-Panel video I made. It uses a demo layout consisting of a small loop of N gauge, a small loop of S gauge, a LargeScale train running point to point, plus a stationary HO engine with headlight and flashing rooftop strobe light. Note that this previous video #804 goes into MORE MORE detail about the MINI-PANEL itself. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. AutoControls Yahoo Group Moderator - James Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597, office hours 2pm-midnight weekdays Williamsport PA http://AutoControls.org MacBook Pro/OS 10.6 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72683	From: johntech	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

I think I may purchase the can motor and convert my CJ chassis over to a Galloping Goose. I think that would be a good fit too!! John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> Thank you for your interest in our projects. "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72684	From: David	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Newly Bashed CJ Photos Soon

We have been working on another Casey Jones bashing project and will have photos of the finished product this week with any luck. This one will be a little more modern than the last one. Featuring a more modern head light and a different cow catcher. The tender will be the kind with the flat coal bunker. This tender will have an operating directional reverse light. As always the unit will have LED classification lights and an operating smoke & chuff unit. This will be our first one with the S-'n-S can motor and the DALLEE #518 reversing unit which we will wire for AC/DC operation. "Happy Rail Roading To All ;o)" LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72685	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Mike, Sure, the can motor it self came from SnS, but who made the mounting bracket so that it would fit on the Casey Jones chassis. We like all of the facts when we convert to can motors.        Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO   Alan Really? I guess you didn't look at the photo very well. It was done by SnS.... Mike In a message dated 7/27/2013 9:14:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alanlambert64@... writes: From: Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas Alan, I have to agree with you here. Sure S-N-S has can motors, but will any of them fit on a Casey Jones chassis without any modification. LBR has done that for us. If I had a C.j I would go with LBR for mine. Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: alan smith <_alansmith@..._ (mailto:alansmith@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO M, Who do you think put the time and effort in bringing this into reality? Sent components so it could be sized and developed? Did all the up front leg work while at the SAME TIME bashing a worthless C J into something that resembled an engine. I think we should give credit where credit is due. I seem to recall it was spelled out as who "STEVE" and where "S N S" these can be purchased. HUM - Wonder WHO ? They only made one perfect man ---- they nailed him to a Cross. Long live American Flyer!!!! Best regards to all. Al On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:25 PM, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote: > I'd recommend Steve's new owner for any can motor & reverse unit. In > all > my years of dealing with them, I have never had an issue with not > getting my > items from them. Also You might save some $$...Mike > > > In a message dated 7/26/2013 3:32:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > _reujan2000@..._ (mailto:reujan2000@...) writes: > > You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our > web > site at: > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html > <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> > > Thank you for your interest in our projects. > > "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72686	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

I guess we will have to wait till Steve gets back from vacation. Mike In a message dated 7/28/2013 2:42:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alanlambert64@... writes: From: Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas Mike, Sure, the can motor it self came from SnS, but who made the mounting bracket so that it would fit on the Casey Jones chassis. We like all of the facts when we convert to can motors. Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO Alan Really? I guess you didn't look at the photo very well. It was done by SnS.... Mike In a message dated 7/27/2013 9:14:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _alanlambert64@..._ (mailto:alanlambert64@...) writes: From: Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas Alan, I have to agree with you here. Sure S-N-S has can motors, but will any of them fit on a Casey Jones chassis without any modification. LBR has done that for us. If I had a C.j I would go with LBR for mine. Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: alan smith <__alansmith@..._ (mailto:_alansmith@...) _ (mailto:_alansmith@..._ (mailto:alansmith@...) ) > To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO M, Who do you think put the time and effort in bringing this into reality? Sent components so it could be sized and developed? Did all the up front leg work while at the SAME TIME bashing a worthless C J into something that resembled an engine. I think we should give credit where credit is due. I seem to recall it was spelled out as who "STEVE" and where "S N S" these can be purchased. HUM - Wonder WHO ? They only made one perfect man ---- they nailed him to a Cross. Long live American Flyer!!!! Best regards to all. Al On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:25 PM, __anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) wrote: > I'd recommend Steve's new owner for any can motor & reverse unit. In > all > my years of dealing with them, I have never had an issue with not > getting my > items from them. Also You might save some $$...Mike > > > In a message dated 7/26/2013 3:32:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > __reujan2000@..._ (mailto:_reujan2000@...) _ (mailto:_reujan2000@..._ (mailto:reujan2000@...) ) writes: > > You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our > web > site at: > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html > <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> > > Thank you for your interest in our projects. > > "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72687	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: Game Train Game

IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED I HAVE AN UNPUNCHED - BOXED SET FOR SALE 1.99 + SHIPPING..... BOB ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Game Train Game   Daryl, I have posted ten pictures of my Game Train set in my photo album "acgilbertguy". I believe my set is complete. Hopefully this helps you determine what is missing in your set. --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "DarylO" <jaytewilli@...> wrote: > > Does anybody have a list of what is supposed to come with the Game Train game? I just picked one up and I know it's missing some game pieces. I'd like to know what's missing. The instruction sheet for how to play the 3 games is also missing. > > Daryl > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72688	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/28/2013
Subject: Re: Game Train Game

THATS 199.00..... SORRY FOR THE GOOF..... BOB   ________________________________ From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Game Train Game   IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED I HAVE AN UNPUNCHED - BOXED SET FOR SALE 1.99 + SHIPPING..... BOB ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Game Train Game   Daryl, I have posted ten pictures of my Game Train set in my photo album "acgilbertguy". I believe my set is complete. Hopefully this helps you determine what is missing in your set. --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "DarylO" <jaytewilli@...> wrote: > > Does anybody have a list of what is supposed to come with the Game Train game? I just picked one up and I know it's missing some game pieces. I'd like to know what's missing. The instruction sheet for how to play the 3 games is also missing. > > Daryl > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72689	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Game Train Game

Thank you so much!!!. I will check the photos out. I truly appreciate the effort you made to help me out!! Daryl On 7/28/2013 4:45 PM, acgilbertguy wrote: > > Daryl, I have posted ten pictures of my Game Train set in my photo > album "acgilbertguy". I believe my set is complete. Hopefully this > helps you determine what is missing in your set. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "DarylO" <jaytewilli@...> wrote: > > > > Does anybody have a list of what is supposed to come with the Game > Train game? I just picked one up and I know it's missing some game > pieces. I'd like to know what's missing. The instruction sheet for how > to play the 3 games is also missing. > > > > Daryl > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72690	From: David	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: CJ New Can Motor True History

We thought that the photo of the NEW CJ MOTOR with the S-'n-S sticker on it should have been ample to see that S-'n-S made the new motor for us. Obviously not, so here is the time line. Over a period of a few months we started to kit bash the American Flyer Casey Jones engine & tender units and supplied the readers here with photos and certain measurements of the progress of same. The 3/8" motors in the #21165 & #21166's is not large enough to do very much with. The 1/2" motor in the #21168 is just great. However, we were approached by quite a few of our clients to come up with a CAN MOTOR that may be operated on either AC or DC power. Our first thought was to contact STEVE at S-'n-S to aid in this project, so we did. STEVE in turn informed us that he had sold the business to RICH & AL and that he would turn our project over to them. We sent a CJ chassis to S-'n-S and about a week later RICH said that they had come up with a CAN MOTOR UNIT for our CJ project. RICH returned our chassis with the NEW CAN MOTOR UNIT installed. We then installed it in one of OUR NEW KIT BASHED ENGINES and ran it for about 6.5 hours. "IT IS REALLY A SWEET NEW UNIT" and far surpasses anything that AF ever put out. Now that you all here know the TRUE FACTS of this on going issue it is up to you as where to purchase these NEW MOTOR UNITS. We, of course, would like you to buy from us as we started the CJ bashing project and have parts and information for your CJ bashing project at our web site with more being added each week. Plus we are writing an instruction sheet with photos and hints for bashing the CJ which should be available by September. However, to show support for the new owners of S-'n-S Trains (RICH & AL) we also suggest that you buy from them. I would suspect that DOUG at Portlines will be offering them in future if not already also. Any of these three sources will be able to supply these GREAT NEW MOTOR UNITS to you. As far as prices, within a few cents, excluding shipping charges all of the prices will be the same at some where around $35.00 ea. I trust that this clears up all of the questions about this matter and we can press on with our modeling. "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" Dave at LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72691	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

One of the new owners made the conversion under Steve's supervision. Not sure if it was at Dave's request. Steve didn't say last time we talked. If it was requested by Dave we should support LBR for their efforts and not screw him over for his efforts. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 7/28/2013 5:43 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > > I guess we will have to wait till Steve gets back from vacation. Mike > > > In a message dated 7/28/2013 2:42:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > alanlambert64@... <mailto:alanlambert64%40yahoo.com> writes: > > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Mike, > > Sure, the can motor it self came from SnS, but who made the mounting > bracket so that it would fit on the Casey Jones chassis. We like all > of the > facts when we convert to can motors. > Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: "_anormal1@... <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com>_ > (mailto:anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com>) " > <_anormal1@... <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com>_ > (mailto:anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com>) > > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>_ > (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>) > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 11:39 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO > > Alan Really? I guess you didn't look at the photo very well. It was done > by SnS.... Mike > > In a message dated 7/27/2013 9:14:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > _alanlambert64@... <mailto:_alanlambert64%40yahoo.com>_ > (mailto:alanlambert64@... <mailto:alanlambert64%40yahoo.com>) > writes: > > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Alan, > > I have to agree with you here. Sure S-N-S has can motors, but will any > of them fit on a Casey Jones chassis without any modification. LBR has > done > that for us. If I had a C.j I would go with LBR for mine. > Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: alan smith <__alansmith@... > <mailto:__alansmith%40fuse.net>_ (mailto:_alansmith@... > <mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net>) _ > (mailto:_alansmith@... <mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net>_ > (mailto:alansmith@... <mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net>) ) > > To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:__S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>_ > (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>) _ > (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>) ) > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO > > M, > > Who do you think put the time and effort in bringing this into > reality? Sent components so it could be sized and developed? > Did all the up front leg work while at the SAME TIME bashing a > worthless C J into something that resembled an engine. > > I think we should give credit where credit is due. I seem to recall > it was spelled out as who "STEVE" and where "S N S" these can be > purchased. > > HUM - Wonder WHO ? > > They only made one perfect man ---- they nailed him to a Cross. > > Long live American Flyer!!!! > > Best regards to all. > > Al > > On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:25 PM, __anormal1@... > <mailto:__anormal1%40aol.com>_ (mailto:_anormal1@... > <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com>) > _ (mailto:_anormal1@... <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com>_ > (mailto:anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com>) ) > wrote: > > > I'd recommend Steve's new owner for any can motor & reverse unit. In > > all > > my years of dealing with them, I have never had an issue with not > > getting my > > items from them. Also You might save some $$...Mike > > > > > > In a message dated 7/26/2013 3:32:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > __reujan2000@... <mailto:__reujan2000%40yahoo.com>_ > (mailto:_reujan2000@... <mailto:_reujan2000%40yahoo.com>) _ > (mailto:_reujan2000@... <mailto:_reujan2000%40yahoo.com>_ > (mailto:reujan2000@... <mailto:reujan2000%40yahoo.com>) ) writes: > > > > You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our > > web > > site at: > > > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html > > <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> > > > > Thank you for your interest in our projects. > > > > "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" > > > > LBR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72692	From: traindavid	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: CJ can motor conversion

I have no "inside info" on this, except my long-time friendship with Steve B. Knowing Steve, I suspect he noted the CJ bashing project, and with the new owners (as Steve is still a consultant & part time employee) suggested a conversion kit. I know the kit was designed & created in the S-N-S "black ops" department! Maybe Dave has exclusive rights to the product, I dunno. I do remember when Hobby Surplus sales had CJ's for sale CHEAP! As they did various freight car bodies too. Ahh, those were the days! It would appear that Stumpy has been granted clemency for Flyer Bashing, and now the practice is out in the open! He may now safely walk the isles of York! (Humor folks, I tell ya, It's a JOKE son, a JOKE!) (Quoting Foghorn Leghorn) Bash 'em if ya got 'em! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72693	From: mike rosz	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars

I have3 always traided my H0 plastic wheel on box cars (Athearn etc) for metal wheels for my Flyer layout.  more traction. ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Plastic trucks on Flyonel passenger cars   While plastic truck frames are preferable for performance and far lower roll resistance, metal wheels pick up less rail crud and are longer lasting. You can clean metal easier with no damage. As to G gauge and it is "big" fun. I did it outdoors from 1983 to 1997, did "small scale" live steam, and wrote for Garden Railways for six years during that time. I even ventured in 7/8" scale by scratch building bodies onto LGB chassis and using their (and Delton) trucks and couplers. I eventually found that I just didn't have the knees and back for crawling around doing maintenance on my backyard empire. As far as retirement, I was told that I'd be busier after I retired than before. Of course I thought the folks who told me that were snorting some bad stuff. However, they were right! Without nine or ten hours a day working and travel time, I have many more hours to get into trouble! Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72694	From: David	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO

John, That will be an interesting choice. Sure would like to see photos as you are making it as well as the finished unit. The sky and your imagination are the only limits for kit bashing CJ's. We suggest that you go to the web and start looking at old photos of 4-4-0's and see how close you can come to one of these using an AF CJ ;o) "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO ALL" LBR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" wrote: > > I think I may purchase the can motor and convert my CJ chassis > over to a Galloping Goose. I think that would be a good fit too!! > > John Frankforther > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:23 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] CJ NEW CAN MOTOR PHOTO > > > > > You can now view the NEW CJ CAN MOTOR mounted on a CJ chassis on our web > site at: > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html > > > Thank you for your interest in our projects. > > "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO YOU ALL" > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72695	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Clemency?

So you think I have been given "clemency" by rabid collectors for customizing old American Flyer stuff? Ah, if only that were true! It's more like they have pretty much been forced to "tolerate" me because "I just won't go away!" I have fighting this battle for a decade now, and it's been hard to pry closed minds open. But I feel that finally, the corner has been turned. Rebuilding junkers, kit bashing/customizing, and building things rather than doing the hobby strictly by credit card are starting to get a following. This is how everyone did S way back in the seventies. Dave at LBR is producing specialty items we need and Steve at SnS pioneered excellent can motors to make 'em run as good as they look. Many parts dealers who were once reluctant to sell to "known bashers" ( (I have been turned away many times in the past) will now sell you anything they have. The strictly Scale guys are willing to help with more prototype info and building tips, even if you are a Hi-Railer. With the economy as it is, the time is coming when learning these building and modifying skills will be ever more important. As long as I can, I will continue to promote and teach anyone who wants to learn those things that we older model railroaders learned so many years ago. For builders and bashers, stay tuned to Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org site for more Stumpy's Station articles. I have material prepared to run through February 2014 already. (No, don't ask, the next loco bashing project is a surprise.) Stumpy Stone...aka: Stumpy in Ahia, Darth Stumpy, The Mad Butcher, and other unprintable names... :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72696	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?

What battle are you fighting Stumpy? There is no battle - collectors don't like some of what you do - that's their right. They are not trying to ban you from doing what you are doing. As a mild collector/operator myself I don't like what you have done with a couple of scarcer things but can appreciate your skill in converting junkers or more common stuff into nice looking, useable stuff. I think it is time for you to just get on with enjoying your hobby instead of deliberately and constantly trying to ignite hostility with what is rapidly looking like a self generated attempt to get sympathy. Get on with what you are doing or saying without the bleating please. Thank you Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:51:11 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Clemency?   So you think I have been given "clemency" by rabid collectors for customizing old American Flyer stuff? Ah, if only that were true! It's more like they have pretty much been forced to "tolerate" me because "I just won't go away!" I have fighting this battle for a decade now, and it's been hard to pry closed minds open. But I feel that finally, the corner has been turned. Rebuilding junkers, kit bashing/customizing, and building things rather than doing the hobby strictly by credit card are starting to get a following. This is how everyone did S way back in the seventies. Dave at LBR is producing specialty items we need and Steve at SnS pioneered excellent can motors to make 'em run as good as they look. Many parts dealers who were once reluctant to sell to "known bashers" ( (I have been turned away many times in the past) will now sell you anything they have. The strictly Scale guys are willing to help with more prototype info and building tips, even if you are a Hi-Railer. With the economy as it is, the time is coming when learning these building and modifying skills will be ever more important. As long as I can, I will continue to promote and teach anyone who wants to learn those things that we older model railroaders learned so many years ago. For builders and bashers, stay tuned to Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org site for more Stumpy's Station articles. I have material prepared to run through February 2014 already. (No, don't ask, the next loco bashing project is a surprise.) Stumpy Stone...aka: Stumpy in Ahia, Darth Stumpy, The Mad Butcher, and other unprintable names... :-) ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbXU5ZGc2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjY5NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzUxMjgwOTM-?act=reply&messageNum=72695 [2] mailto:mrstumpy@...?subject=Re%3A%20Clemency%3F [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Clemency%3F [4] http://groupsyahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYjYzNG92BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUxMjgwOTM- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72695;_ylc=X3oDMTM0OXNsMTlpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjY5NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUxMjgwOTMEdHBjSWQDNzI2OTU- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbW5uZGZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzc1MTI4MDkz?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkajFjZ2FhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzc1MTI4MDkz [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZjlpdm1xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUxMjgwOTM- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJic3Nja2txBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3NTEyODA5Mw-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72697	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?

Stumpy,      Right On - Right On  ;o) Dave at LBR ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 2:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Clemency?   So you think I have been given "clemency" by rabid collectors for customizing old American Flyer stuff? Ah, if only that were true! It's more like they have pretty much been forced to "tolerate" me because "I just won't go away!" I have fighting this battle for a decade now, and it's been hard to pry closed minds open. But I feel that finally, the corner has been turned. Rebuilding junkers, kit bashing/customizing, and building things rather than doing the hobby strictly by credit card are starting to get a following. This is how everyone did S way back in the seventies. Dave at LBR is producing specialty items we need and Steve at SnS pioneered excellent can motors to make 'em run as good as they look. Many parts dealers who were once reluctant to sell to "known bashers" ( (I have been turned away many times in the past) will now sell you anything they have. The strictly Scale guys are willing to help with more prototype info and building tips, even if you are a Hi-Railer. With the economy as it is, the time is coming when learning these building and modifying skills will be ever more important. As long as I can, I will continue to promote and teach anyone who wants to learn those things that we older model railroaders learned so many years ago. For builders and bashers, stay tuned to Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org site for more Stumpy's Station articles. I have material prepared to run through February 2014 already. (No, don't ask, the next loco bashing project is a surprise.) Stumpy Stone...aka: Stumpy in Ahia, Darth Stumpy, The Mad Butcher, and other unprintable names... :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72698	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?

Stumpy: Unabashedly may you bash away! You have me ready to grab a coupla CJs and Atlantic beaters at the next show up here (October). Keep up with your tips! - John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72699	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?

Stumpy, thanks for your inspiration over the years! I, for one, appreciate what you've been teaching. Tom in the Mad City. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2013, at 1:51 PM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > So you think I have been given "clemency" by rabid collectors for customizing old American Flyer stuff? Ah, if only that were true! It's more like they have pretty much been forced to "tolerate" me because "I just won't go away!" > > I have fighting this battle for a decade now, and it's been hard to pry closed minds open. But I feel that finally, the corner has been turned. Rebuilding junkers, kit bashing/customizing, and building things rather than doing the hobby strictly by credit card are starting to get a following. This is how everyone did S way back in the seventies. > > Dave at LBR is producing specialty items we need and Steve at SnS pioneered excellent can motors to make 'em run as good as they look. Many parts dealers who were once reluctant to sell to "known bashers" ( (I have been turned away many times in the past) will now sell you anything they have. The strictly Scale guys are willing to help with more prototype info and building tips, even if you are a Hi-Railer. > > With the economy as it is, the time is coming when learning these building and modifying skills will be ever more important. As long as I can, I will continue to promote and teach anyone who wants to learn those things that we older model railroaders learned so many years ago. > > For builders and bashers, stay tuned to Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org site for more Stumpy's Station articles. I have material prepared to run through February 2014 already. (No, don't ask, the next loco bashing project is a surprise.) > > Stumpy Stone...aka: Stumpy in Ahia, Darth Stumpy, The Mad Butcher, and other unprintable names... :-) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72700	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: E;re: Clemency

Alistair and others who don't care for kit bashing: I have rebuilt only common trains in poor condition or stuff from junk boxes. Stuff that collectors wouldn't look at twice. I found my 343 0-8-0 as just a chassis and boiler shell in a junk box and bought the entire box for $35. The remains needed everything except the drivers to rebuild. It took almost two years to find the parts to rebuild it, and I scratch built the new pilot and added a Putt Trains lead truck to make it a 2-8-0 in such a way that it did not in any way damage the original engine. I had no tender, so I used the common plastic one to complete the project. Two years later found and repaired a damaged 343 tender for use behind the 2-8-0. This was well publicized and discussed on S Trains, so everyone knew it was a junk box rebuild. Yet at a Spring S Spree right after the loco was finished, I was invited into the parking lot for "a thrashing" by a rabid collector. That was several years ago, but I STILL get hard looks and bad comments from some collectors today, most recently at this year's Spree. So, obviously, the "battle" continues! In writing about my work, I do NOT condone cutting up OR parting out rare locomotives. I work only with junkers or common stuff in poor condition. That a few "rare" engines came my way as junk that nobody wanted and I could rebuild them is the only way I could ever afford them. You could basically say that I "trade skill for cash." As far as ME stirring up trouble, I don't go around picking at collectors at train shows or online or in private e-mails, so why do they pick at me? I'm just bringing life back to stuff that they wouldn't touch! That I'm creative as well and like real road names and paint work shouldn't be a "disqualifying offense." Now before this blossoms into another fiasco as we had last year, let's drop it. I'm tired of being the favored target. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72701	From: Scott Huston	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: CJ New Can Motor True History

Dave, will you be providing step by step instructions for this project? I, for one, being a complete novice to kitbashing would definitely find instructions a necessity before tackling something like this! Scott Huston Las Vegas Nevada  ________________________________ Over a period of a few months we started to kit bash the American Flyer Casey Jones engine & tender units and supplied the readers here with photos and certain measurements of the progress of same. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72702	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/29/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Stumpy, I have to agree with you. You do a great job of bringing mew life back to engines that have seen better days. You do make them look like new, and I always have liked what you do. Sure you come across some "rare"engines in junk condition,but you make a running engine and they look good.            Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] E;re: Clemency   Alistair and others who don't care for kit bashing: I have rebuilt only common trains in poor condition or stuff from junk boxes. Stuff that collectors wouldn't look at twice. I found my 343 0-8-0 as just a chassis and boiler shell in a junk box and bought the entire box for $35. The remains needed everything except the drivers to rebuild. It took almost two years to find the parts to rebuild it, and I scratch built the new pilot and added a Putt Trains lead truck to make it a 2-8-0 in such a way that it did not in any way damage the original engine. I had no tender, so I used the common plastic one to complete the project. Two years later found and repaired a damaged 343 tender for use behind the 2-8-0. This was well publicized and discussed on S Trains, so everyone knew it was a junk box rebuild. Yet at a Spring S Spree right after the loco was finished, I was invited into the parking lot for "a thrashing" by a rabid collector. That was several years ago, but I STILL get hard looks and bad comments from some collectors today, most recently at this year's Spree. So, obviously, the "battle" continues! In writing about my work, I do NOT condone cutting up OR parting out rare locomotives. I work only with junkers or common stuff in poor condition. That a few "rare" engines came my way as junk that nobody wanted and I could rebuild them is the only way I could ever afford them. You could basically say that I "trade skill for cash." As far as ME stirring up trouble, I don't go around picking at collectors at train shows or online or in private e-mails, so why do they pick at me? I'm just bringing life back to stuff that they wouldn't touch! That I'm creative as well and like real road names and paint work shouldn't be a "disqualifying offense." Now before this blossoms into another fiasco as we had last year, let's drop it. I'm tired of being the favored target. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72703	From: alan smith	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency

To all< I think we are getting off track a little. We can all agree the CJ's was the dyeing effort by Gilbert to stay in the business. Over the years of production countless train items were made- ---- as toys. WE as old guys and gals remember the heydays of Gilbert and the days of steam and smoke. WE have strong feeling for those days and all the train related items that were produced, mostly prior to 1966. I don't think anyone would knowingly destroy an item of historic value or rarity. We have all been to train shows and yard sales that had items that would be considered Junk. "One mans junk is another mans treasure". CJ's fall in that vane --- bashing such engines is a good thing for the ongoing love of Flyer and our beloved hobby of "TOY Trains" . Rivet counters are a small portion of all the lovers of trains - "sorry" to reference Scale guys as rivet counters. but this group takes a hobby to an entirely different realm. Over the top as far as being serious. Everyone doesn't have the BUCKS to invest in this level of interest in the hobby. However, that is their interest and bless them for being that dedicated. A hobby is supposed to be a pleasure and enjoyment to those that have such interest. There is room in the world for all kind of interests. Bashing brings new ideas and train items into the world.--- imagination in action. Those that don't have the mechanical ability and the skill to bring forth an idea sometimes find fault with those that have these skills. It should be painfully clear to all by the banter that was gone on over the C J work that many have an interest in taking on a project such as this but need some help in achieving a good result. There is a saying in the world of drilling for oil ----- "A DRY HOLE IS NOT A FAILURE - AS YOU NOW KNOW THAT AREA IS NOT GOING TO PRODUCE" . Bashing is a little like that ---- from nothing can come a good result or a dud. - From the dud comes wisdom and a chance to try again. The thrill of seeing a mundane engine, piece of rolling stock, or other train related item change from being mundane into a working, mind stirring entity is good for the soul and the HOBBY. WE should all be thankful we are still on the right side of the sod and can enjoy our hobby -- no matter what level you select to enjoy. God bless you all --- for life is too short. Old Ohio Al On Jul 29, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > From: Alan Lambert > Fort Worth, Texas > > Stumpy, > > I have to agree with you. You do a great job of bringing mew life > back to engines that have seen better days. You do make them look > like new, and I always have liked what you do. Sure you come across > some "rare"engines in junk condition,but you make a running engine > and they look good. > Alan Lambert > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:41 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] E;re: Clemency > > > > Alistair and others who don't care for kit bashing: I have rebuilt > only common trains in poor condition or stuff from junk boxes. Stuff > that collectors wouldn't look at twice. > > I found my 343 0-8-0 as just a chassis and boiler shell in a junk > box and bought the entire box for $35. The remains needed everything > except the drivers to rebuild. It took almost two years to find the > parts to rebuild it, and I scratch built the new pilot and added a > Putt Trains lead truck to make it a 2-8-0 in such a way that it did > not in any way damage the original engine. I had no tender, so I > used the common plastic one to complete the project. Two years later > found and repaired a damaged 343 tender for use behind the 2-8-0. > > This was well publicized and discussed on S Trains, so everyone knew > it was a junk box rebuild. Yet at a Spring S Spree right after the > loco was finished, I was invited into the parking lot for "a > thrashing" by a rabid collector. That was several years ago, but I > STILL get hard looks and bad comments from some collectors today, > most recently at this year's Spree. So, obviously, the "battle" > continues! > > In writing about my work, I do NOT condone cutting up OR parting out > rare locomotives. I work only with junkers or common stuff in poor > condition. That a few "rare" engines came my way as junk that nobody > wanted and I could rebuild them is the only way I could ever afford > them. You could basically say that I "trade skill for cash." > > As far as ME stirring up trouble, I don't go around picking at > collectors at train shows or online or in private e-mails, so why do > they pick at me? I'm just bringing life back to stuff that they > wouldn't touch! That I'm creative as well and like real road names > and paint work shouldn't be a "disqualifying offense." > > Now before this blossoms into another fiasco as we had last year, > let's drop it. I'm tired of being the favored target. > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72704	From: Herbert	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency

Stumpy, You should be applauded, not vilified. besides, collectors are becoming a vanishing breed (except for truly rare items. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >           Fort Worth, Texas > > Stumpy, > > I have to agree with you. You do a great job of bringing mew life back to engines that have seen better days. You do make them look like new, and I always have liked what you do. Sure you come across some "rare"engines in junk condition,but you make a running engine and they look good. >            Alan Lambert > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:41 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] E;re: Clemency > > > >   > Alistair and others who don't care for kit bashing: I have rebuilt only common trains in poor condition or stuff from junk boxes. Stuff that collectors wouldn't look at twice. > > I found my 343 0-8-0 as just a chassis and boiler shell in a junk box and bought the entire box for $35. The remains needed everything except the drivers to rebuild. It took almost two years to find the parts to rebuild it, and I scratch built the new pilot and added a Putt Trains lead truck to make it a 2-8-0 in such a way that it did not in any way damage the original engine. I had no tender, so I used the common plastic one to complete the project. Two years later found and repaired a damaged 343 tender for use behind the 2-8-0. > > This was well publicized and discussed on S Trains, so everyone knew it was a junk box rebuild. Yet at a Spring S Spree right after the loco was finished, I was invited into the parking lot for "a thrashing" by a rabid collector. That was several years ago, but I STILL get hard looks and bad comments from some collectors today, most recently at this year's Spree. So, obviously, the "battle" continues! > > In writing about my work, I do NOT condone cutting up OR parting out rare locomotives. I work only with junkers or common stuff in poor condition. That a few "rare" engines came my way as junk that nobody wanted and I could rebuild them is the only way I could ever afford them. You could basically say that I "trade skill for cash." > > As far as ME stirring up trouble, I don't go around picking at collectors at train shows or online or in private e-mails, so why do they pick at me? I'm just bringing life back to stuff that they wouldn't touch! That I'm creative as well and like real road names and paint work shouldn't be a "disqualifying offense." > > Now before this blossoms into another fiasco as we had last year, let's drop it. I'm tired of being the favored target. > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72705	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency

Alan, I'm with you (and Stumpy).  Used with discretion, as Stumpy does, kit bashing has it's place in the hobby too. Neil Ferris in Oregon ________________________________ From: Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E;re: Clemency   From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Stumpy, I have to agree with you. You do a great job of bringing mew life back to engines that have seen better days. You do make them look like new, and I always have liked what you do. Sure you come across some "rare"engines in junk condition,but you make a running engine and they look good.            Alan Lambert ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] E;re: Clemency   Alistair and others who don't care for kit bashing: I have rebuilt only common trains in poor condition or stuff from junk boxes. Stuff that collectors wouldn't look at twice. I found my 343 0-8-0 as just a chassis and boiler shell in a junk box and bought the entire box for $35. The remains needed everything except the drivers to rebuild. It took almost two years to find the parts to rebuild it, and I scratch built the new pilot and added a Putt Trains lead truck to make it a 2-8-0 in such a way that it did not in any way damage the original engine. I had no tender, so I used the common plastic one to complete the project. Two years later found and repaired a damaged 343 tender for use behind the 2-8-0. This was well publicized and discussed on S Trains, so everyone knew it was a junk box rebuild. Yet at a Spring S Spree right after the loco was finished, I was invited into the parking lot for "a thrashing" by a rabid collector. That was several years ago, but I STILL get hard looks and bad comments from some collectors today, most recently at this year's Spree. So, obviously, the "battle" continues! In writing about my work, I do NOT condone cutting up OR parting out rare locomotives. I work only with junkers or common stuff in poor condition. That a few "rare" engines came my way as junk that nobody wanted and I could rebuild them is the only way I could ever afford them. You could basically say that I "trade skill for cash." As far as ME stirring up trouble, I don't go around picking at collectors at train shows or online or in private e-mails, so why do they pick at me? I'm just bringing life back to stuff that they wouldn't touch! That I'm creative as well and like real road names and paint work shouldn't be a "disqualifying offense." Now before this blossoms into another fiasco as we had last year, let's drop it. I'm tired of being the favored target. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72706	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency

I dont oppose kit bashing Stumpy. As far as the 0-8-0 goes I can feel a little anguish for that being an original SIT chassis short for one of them. But no objection to what you did - nor should it concern you anyway if I did. However I am sick of the continual venting of spleen on this forum. If the collectors are giving you a hard time at meets try and leave it there - tell them they are stupid hasslers or whatever This is supposed to be a friendly place, though there has been always friction between scalers and collector/operators of pure Gilbert. We understand your anguish but [please make an end to the complaints. And that goes for criticism of you off and on the board.Actually having said all that this may be the most unfriendly of all the train boards anyway - after all poor Mike Marmer was hassled off and he was one of the most enthusiastic modelers of the lot. Lets not do it with Stumpy nor any Stumpy supporters upset the other side of the hobby. Pax Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:41:13 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] E;re: Clemency   Alistair and others who don't care for kit bashing: I have rebuilt only common trains in poor condition or stuff from junk boxes. Stuff that collectors wouldn't look at twice. I found my 343 0-8-0 as just a chassis and boiler shell in a junk box and bought the entire box for $35. The remains needed everything except the drivers to rebuild. It took almost two years to find the parts to rebuild it, and I scratch built the new pilot and added a Putt Trains lead truck to make it a 2-8-0 in such a way that it did not in any way damage the original engine. I had no tender, so I used the common plastic one to complete the project. Two years later found and repaired a damaged 343 tender for use behind the 2-8-0. This was well publicized and discussed on S Trains, so everyone knew it was a junk box rebuild. Yet at a Spring S Spree right after the loco was finished, I was invited into the parking lot for "a thrashing" by a rabid collector. That was several years ago, but I STILL get hard looks and bad comments from some collectors today, most recently at this year's Spree. So, obviously, the "battle" continues! In writing about my work, I do NOT condone cutting up OR parting out rare locomotives. I work only with junkers or common stuff in poor condition. That a few "rare" engines came my way as junk that nobody wanted and I could rebuild them is the only way I could ever afford them. You could basically say that I "trade skill for cash." As far as ME stirring up trouble, I don't go around picking at collectors at train shows or online or in private e-mails, so why do they pick at me? I'm just bringing life back to stuff that they wouldn't touch! That I'm creative as well and like real road names and paint work shouldn't be a "disqualifying offense." Now before this blossoms into another fiasco as we had last year, let's drop it. I'm tired of being the favored target. Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcGJwbGt2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjcwMARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzUxNDU1NjA-?act=reply&messageNum=72700 [2] mailto:mrstumpy@...?subject=Re%3A%20E%3Bre%3A%20Clemency [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20E%3Bre%3A%20Clemency [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaGhmOHZxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUxNDU1NjA- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72700;_ylc=X3oDMTM0dmg3aW0zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjcwMARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUxNDU1NjAEdHBjSWQDNzI3MDA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdmNmbzV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzc1MTQ1NTYw?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYW5sZnRtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzc1MTQ1NTYw [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJja25zb2QzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUxNDU1NjA- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibzJkMGw0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3NTE0NTU2MA-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72707	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: kitbashing and collecting

Stumpy, keep up the good work, what ever it is amongst your possession of AF toy trains it belongs to you and is yours to do as you please. I myself have some collectable pieces and sets but I bought them they are mine and if I would choose to modify them to suit my desires who cares about some hard head that thinks what is mine is his. I say carry on. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72708	From: Richard Gillett	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: An introduction

Gentlemen, and Ladies, we would like to introduce ourselves.  We are Rich Gillett and Al Hayden and we have just purchased SnS Trains, from Steve Blackburn.  As 13 year members of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers, our primary interest is in “playing with the trains”.                 Dave at LBR Enterprises called Steve, some time ago, and requested a solution to the Casey Jones can motor conversion.  The question was passed to us and we have supplied Dave with our answer.  We are currently ramping up to supply ALL HANDS with this kit.   Tks Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72709	From: JOHN	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Junk Box

Will someone please explain to me what a "Junk Box" is. I always thought it was a box of items somebody did not really want anymore and one move from going to the dump. Also,if I buy it isn't it mine to do with what I want.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72710	From: David	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: NEW CJ Photos At?

Sorry, the new photos are at our album here at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72711	From: David	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Latest CJ Kit Bash Photos 07-30-2013

As promised we have added the first of a new series of photos dedicated to kit bashing (modifying) the American Flyer Casey Jones E&T units. The first 3 photos (more to come later) show a different engine shell than our first offering earlier this year. This project will initially use only CJ parts that are already on your standard CJ units. #A photo shows a right front view. Please notice after removing the headlight we reserved it to reposition it to the boiler face. We have filled in that awful slant on the bottom forward part of the steam chest. Filed the walk ways down to conform to the boiler shape. Note the gray plastic filler on the face of the cab. We found out that it is much better to add the filler after removing the cab to ease the re-attachment of the cab later. #B photo shows all of the above and you can see where the separations and re-attachments on the boiler were made. #C photo shows the rear of the engine shell. Notice that on this one we let the upper portion of the simulated entrance section remain. More photos to come later. "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO ALL" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72712	From: Roy	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Open for Convention Tavelers

My layout will be open to I-81 and/or PA Turnpike travelers to the NASG convention. You can get more info by going to royhoffman.com/pwrr/open Pictures and description of the layout are at royhoffman.com/pwrr Roy Hoffman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72713	From: rudypenne	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: An introduction

Rich, are you guys taking over the SnS contact E-Mail? Mike In a message dated 7/30/2013 8:31:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, richdgillett@... writes: Gentlemen, and Ladies, we would like to introduce ourselves. We are Rich Gillett and Al Hayden and we have just purchased SnS Trains, from Steve Blackburn. As 13 year members of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers, our primary interest is in “playing with the trains”. Dave at LBR Enterprises called Steve, some time ago, and requested a solution to the Casey Jones can motor conversion. The question was passed to us and we have supplied Dave with our answer. We are currently ramping up to supply ALL HANDS with this kit. Tks Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72714	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: Junk Box

On 7/30/2013 6:45 AM, JOHN wrote: > Will someone please explain to me what a "Junk Box" is. I always thought > it was a box of items somebody did not really want anymore and one move > from going to the dump. Also,if I buy it isn't it mine to do with what I > want. The term has been around for ages and was also used to describe a ham operator or electronic tinkerers parts supply. The term comes from reusing parts from discarded material. In my electronic days, I would take apart radios and TV's and carefully save the bigger parts to be re-purposed into a new project. Often time the "junk box" was supplanted with bins full of resistors, capacitors and other needed parts that were bought at swap meets and flea markets. Yep, same concept, just a different hobby. And yes, they are yours to do what you wish with and folks should respect your creations and not condemn them because of their source. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72715	From: richdgillett	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: An introduction

Yes, Mike. The E-mail for SnS Trains is contact@.... Looking forward to hearing from you. rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Rich, are you guys taking over the SnS contact E-Mail? Mike > > > In a message dated 7/30/2013 8:31:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > richdgillett@... writes: > > > > > Gentlemen, and Ladies, we would > like to introduce ourselves. We are Rich Gillett and Al Hayden and we > have just purchased SnS Trains, from Steve Blackburn. As 13 year members > of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers, our primary interest is in “playing with > the trains”. > > Dave at LBR Enterprises called Steve, some time ago, and requested a > solution > to the Casey Jones can motor conversion. The question was passed to us > and we have supplied Dave with our > answer. We are currently ramping up to supply ALL HANDS with this kit. > > Tks > Rich > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72716	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: S Gauge club websites

I want to get links to all the S Gauge clubs onto the links page of our club's website. If your club isn't listed, please send me a link! <sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/links> Thanks! Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72717	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Kitbashing.

Since certain people get offended if you look at them the wrong way, maybe they should start a train group called "You offended me with your trains" Group. It's sad that we are not allowed to have our opinions in life anymore without worry of offending someone. There are certain people over the years who for one reason or another have left the S-Trains group because they offended someone.. Some dang good people too. If you don't like what someone is doing to a train. then respectfully say I don't like it and why, then shut up! It is My hobby and My train to do what I want with it. If someone is offended that someone else paints an engine green instead of original colors to bad. It's a hobby folks and it's supposed to be fun. If it gives you grief what someone else is doing then find another hobby. Or, find another group like I said earlier in my post here. It is just so simple. Have fun and enjoy or find something else. Personally I don't give a rats butt what Teri does with a toy train. There is so much American Flyer out there that it will never all be kitbashed away. If you are worried about what he kitbashes, buy one in original condition and put it in your shelf at your home! Now that being said. I am sure Stumpy doesn't care what I think either and if he does, then all I can say is don't worry about what I think. It's just my opinion. I am sure my opinion will make someone mad, but Oh well, get over it and go play with your trains. As a friend of mine always says, "if you got em, run em!" Later dudes! Christopher Burger AKA Cbtrainnut.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72718	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: E;re: Clemency

My first reaction to Stumpy's clemency request was the same as Alistair's. I have great respect for original Gilbert items, but I have no problem with what Stumpy does, but I can't recall anyone on this list lodging any criticism of his work either, so I don't think he needs to plead his case to us. Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72719	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?

Stumpy, I really think it's time for you to drop the whole martyr schtick. We all know you enjoy what you and that's fine, I appreciate your work. However I do not appreciate you constantly hoisting yourself on the cross. Much as Mike Marmer was taken to task for his too frequent posts or silliness you need to give this whole thing a rest and retire the flame proof suit.   Bob Hendrickson ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 2:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Clemency?   So you think I have been given "clemency" by rabid collectors for customizing old American Flyer stuff? Ah, if only that were true! It's more like they have pretty much been forced to "tolerate" me because "I just won't go away!" I have fighting this battle for a decade now, and it's been hard to pry closed minds open. But I feel that finally, the corner has been turned. Rebuilding junkers, kit bashing/customizing, and building things rather than doing the hobby strictly by credit card are starting to get a following. This is how everyone did S way back in the seventies. Dave at LBR is producing specialty items we need and Steve at SnS pioneered excellent can motors to make 'em run as good as they look. Many parts dealers who were once reluctant to sell to "known bashers" ( (I have been turned away many times in the past) will now sell you anything they have. The strictly Scale guys are willing to help with more prototype info and building tips, even if you are a Hi-Railer. With the economy as it is, the time is coming when learning these building and modifying skills will be ever more important. As long as I can, I will continue to promote and teach anyone who wants to learn those things that we older model railroaders learned so many years ago. For builders and bashers, stay tuned to Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org site for more Stumpy's Station articles. I have material prepared to run through February 2014 already. (No, don't ask, the next loco bashing project is a surprise.) Stumpy Stone...aka: Stumpy in Ahia, Darth Stumpy, The Mad Butcher, and other unprintable names... :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72720	From: pete.henningsen	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Stumpy's Junk Box!

You GO Stumpy!! I've worked on old cars for years (current one's a '56 Merc that's customized to my taste; not anyone elses) & boy, when I tell you I have a Junk Box you better believe it! Only difference with my Flyer Junk Box is that it's on a smaller scale! I earn my money, it's not a gift & I'll damn right spend it any way I please! Too many folks in this country (& others) think they know whats best for the rest of us. I'll bet you know what I think they can do! I'm still running the 312 my Grandfather gave me when I was five. He told me real trains run on two rails so AF was the obvious choice. Pete Henningsen Milford, Ct. USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72721	From: David	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: CJ Chassis Weights

Arriving soon, three (3) piece chassis weights for your CJ projects.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72722	From: JeryJones3@...	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: S Gauge club websites

Bob and all, The Nauset Model Railroad Club located in Orleans on Cape Cod has a very active S Gauge group. The Club which is an all gauge club running from N Scale to G Gauge. The S group operates a 14 x 34 foot layout which can be used for operational sessions or just watching trains run. Two years ago some great video was done by the local paper with the camera riding the tender of a Lionel/Flyer Pacific. The club web page as pictures and links to all this material. Try looking up nausetmodelrrclub.com Add it to you links web page. Happy Model Railroading! Roy In a message dated 7/30/2013 3:42:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: I want to get links to all the S Gauge clubs onto the links page of our club's website. If your club isn't listed, please send me a link! <sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/links> Thanks! Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72723	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?

Bump! On Jul 30, 2013, at 1:47 PM, robert hendrickson wrote: > Stumpy, I really think it's time for you to drop the whole martyr > schtick. We all know you enjoy what you and that's fine, I > appreciate your work. However I do not appreciate you constantly > hoisting yourself on the cross. Much as Mike Marmer was taken to > task for his too frequent posts or silliness you need to give this > whole thing a rest and retire the flame proof suit. > > Bob Hendrickson > > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 2:51 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Clemency? > > > > So you think I have been given "clemency" by rabid collectors for > customizing old American Flyer stuff? Ah, if only that were true! > It's more like they have pretty much been forced to "tolerate" me > because "I just won't go away!" > > I have fighting this battle for a decade now, and it's been hard to > pry closed minds open. But I feel that finally, the corner has been > turned. Rebuilding junkers, kit bashing/customizing, and building > things rather than doing the hobby strictly by credit card are > starting to get a following. This is how everyone did S way back in > the seventies. > > Dave at LBR is producing specialty items we need and Steve at SnS > pioneered excellent can motors to make 'em run as good as they look. > Many parts dealers who were once reluctant to sell to "known > bashers" ( (I have been turned away many times in the past) will now > sell you anything they have. The strictly Scale guys are willing to > help with more prototype info and building tips, even if you are a > Hi-Railer. > > With the economy as it is, the time is coming when learning these > building and modifying skills will be ever more important. As long > as I can, I will continue to promote and teach anyone who wants to > learn those things that we older model railroaders learned so many > years ago. > > For builders and bashers, stay tuned to Chuck Harrington's > myflyertrains.org site for more Stumpy's Station articles. I have > material prepared to run through February 2014 already. (No, don't > ask, the next loco bashing project is a surprise.) > > Stumpy Stone...aka: Stumpy in Ahia, Darth Stumpy, The Mad Butcher, > and other unprintable names... :-) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72724	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: Kitbashing.

Let's get it out in the open. How many people on this group have actually said they are offended by Stumpy's work? Very, very, very few.  So why does he keep complaining that they do? Is he looking for more praise for his well crafted work? Please Stumpy and supporters - give it a rest. There is no battle - at least on this group and if the complaints are off this group then they should be answered there. Thank you - let's get on with enjoying the hobby in our own separate ways. Aliistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:58:44 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Kitbashing.   Since certain people get offended if you look at them the wrong way, maybe they should start a train group called "You offended me with your trains" Group. It's sad that we are not allowed to have our opinions in life anymore without worry of offending someone. There are certain people over the years who for one reason or another have left the S-Trains group because they offended someone.. Some dang good people too. If you don't like what someone is doing to a train. then respectfully say I don't like it and why, then shut up! It is My hobby and My train to do what I want with it. If someone is offended that someone else paints an engine green instead of original colors to bad. It's a hobby folks and it's supposed to be fun. If it gives you grief what someone else is doing then find another hobby. Or, find another group like I said earlier in my post here. It is just so simple. Have fun and enjoy or find something else. Personally I don't give a rats butt what Teri does with a toy train. There is so much American Flyer out there that it will never all be kitbashed away. If you are worried about what he kitbashes, buy one in original condition and put it in your shelf at your home! Now that being said. I am sure Stumpy doesn't care what I think either and if he does, then all I can say is don't worry about what I think It's just my opinion. I am sure my opinion will make someone mad, but Oh well, get over it and go play with your trains. As a friend of mine always says, "if you got em, run em!" Later dudes! Christopher Burger AKA Cbtrainnut. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMWNsbmMwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjcxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzUyMjgyMTc-?act=reply&messageNum=72717 [2] mailto:chrisandmhelburger@...?subject=Re%3A%20Kitbashing. [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Kitbashing. [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdjliNTk5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUyMjgyMTc- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72717;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MWo5M2RiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjcxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUyMjgyMTcEdHBjSWQDNzI3MTc- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM2Y1azgyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzc1MjI4MjE3?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNmEwc3FhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzc1MjI4MjE3 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbjZhcGljBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUyMjgyMTc- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZTI2ZWJrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3NTIyODIxNw-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72725	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: An introduction

Dear Fellow S Gaugers, We in the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers are thrilled that Rich Gillett and Al Hayden purchased SnS Trains from Steve Blackburn. Over the years, we watched Steve and Sam as they built their business from the ground up, furnishing some wonderful new parts and pieces for our hobby. Many of us, like you, are now running those literally cool can motors in our old Flyer locomotives and cleaning the track on Lookout Junction with that efficient SnS track cleaning car. This is an unsolicited endorsement of Rich and Al (a.k.a. "The Brothers") and their expertise and innovation in support of our hobby. I will vouch that they are master craftsmen, mechanically savvy, adept at working with their hands, and devising some delightful new "fixes" for our layout's problem areas. You will find that they are men of impeccable character, completely trustworthy and honest. I really can't say enough about how valuable they are to our club, and we wish them every success in this new (to them) endeavor. If my reputation counts for anything in the S world, please accept my word on their behalf. You won't be disappointed. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator and Founder Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Home of Lookout Junction, "Route of the S Gaugers" Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72726	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: Kitbashing.

From: Alan Lambert           fort worth, Texas Alistair, I think the ones doing the complaining on this list are the collectors.They don't run trains like most of us do. We now have a way to make a Casey Jones into something that will be more valuable. If I had an original engine that quit running, I would do just like Stump, nake it run.         Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Kitbashing.   Let's get it out in the open. How many people on this group have actually said they are offended by Stumpy's work? Very, very, very few.  So why does he keep complaining that they do? Is he looking for more praise for his well crafted work? Please Stumpy and supporters - give it a rest. There is no battle - at least on this group and if the complaints are off this group then they should be answered there. Thank you - let's get on with enjoying the hobby in our own separate ways. Aliistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:58:44 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Kitbashing.   Since certain people get offended if you look at them the wrong way, maybe they should start a train group called "You offended me with your trains" Group. It's sad that we are not allowed to have our opinions in life anymore without worry of offending someone. There are certain people over the years who for one reason or another have left the S-Trains group because they offended someone.. Some dang good people too. If you don't like what someone is doing to a train. then respectfully say I don't like it and why, then shut up! It is My hobby and My train to do what I want with it. If someone is offended that someone else paints an engine green instead of original colors to bad. It's a hobby folks and it's supposed to be fun. If it gives you grief what someone else is doing then find another hobby. Or, find another group like I said earlier in my post here. It is just so simple. Have fun and enjoy or find something else. Personally I don't give a rats butt what Teri does with a toy train. There is so much American Flyer out there that it will never all be kitbashed away. If you are worried about what he kitbashes, buy one in original condition and put it in your shelf at your home! Now that being said. I am sure Stumpy doesn't care what I think either and if he does, then all I can say is don't worry about what I think It's just my opinion. I am sure my opinion will make someone mad, but Oh well, get over it and go play with your trains. As a friend of mine always says, "if you got em, run em!" Later dudes! Christopher Burger AKA Cbtrainnut. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMWNsbmMwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjcxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzUyMjgyMTc-?act=reply&messageNum=72717 [2] mailto:chrisandmhelburger@...?subject=Re%3A%20Kitbashing. [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Kitbashing. [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdjliNTk5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUyMjgyMTc- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72717;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MWo5M2RiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjcxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUyMjgyMTcEdHBjSWQDNzI3MTc- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM2Y1azgyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzc1MjI4MjE3?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNmEwc3FhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzc1MjI4MjE3 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbjZhcGljBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzUyMjgyMTc- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZTI2ZWJrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3NTIyODIxNw-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72727	From: traindavid	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Clemency & Kitbashing

Now wait a minute gang--I am the one who brought up clemency and it was done as HUMOR! as a comment on the CJ Kitbashing that has been going on. NO, Stumpy did not ask for clemency, I "granted" it to him! I quote my original posting: "It would appear that Stumpy has been granted clemency for Flyer Bashing, and now the practice is out in the open! He may now safely walk the isles of York! (Humor folks, I tell ya, It's a JOKE son, a JOKE!) (Quoting Foghorn Leghorn) Bash 'em if ya got 'em! S' David D. " I thought I was pretty clear on the humor or joke part! I did not intend for it to be serious or for anyone to be offended by it. And BTW, Kitbashing goes back much further than Stumpy--at one time it is was the norm for S scale folks, when there was nothing but ACG out there (and a little bit of Cleveland Modeling); many articles in the S Gauge Herald about it! So, now it is time to go do a little work on my model T (another hobby--like I need more than one!) Later guys & gals! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72728	From: bobville	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Re: CJ Chassis

Just thought I would let everyone know that back in April at Fred Jester's sale at the Fire Hall. WE had about 150 CJ engines for $5.00 each. If anyone needs any for kit bashing see us there the week of the TCA meet. Bob Persing (BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72729	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 7/30/2013
Subject: Most S Club Websites on NASG.org ??

I think most of the S ga. CLUBS are are already listed on the NASG's "Club" page ?? http://nasg.org/Clubs/ Probably none of my business, but a question: Are you not duplicating their effort ?? |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Thanks. - James R. Ingram | Susquehanna S Gaugers Assistant Grunt | http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com | Williamsport PA Voice Mail 570-322-7597 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Jul 30, 2013, at 1:19 PM, The Upstairs Train wrote: > I want to get links to all the S Gauge clubs onto the links page of our club's website. If your club isn't listed, please send me a link! > > <sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/links> > > Thanks! > > Bob Graves > TheGilbertGallery.org > > : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72730	From: racin510	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency & Kitbashing

Making something out of nothing, I get. Lining walls with old ACG and never running the stuff, I don't get. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Now wait a minute gang--I am the one who brought up clemency and it was done > as HUMOR! as a comment on the CJ Kitbashing that has been going on. NO, > Stumpy did not ask for clemency, I "granted" it to him! I quote my original > posting: > "It would appear that Stumpy has been granted clemency for Flyer Bashing, > and now the practice is out in the open! He may now safely walk the isles of > York! > (Humor folks, I tell ya, It's a JOKE son, a JOKE!) (Quoting Foghorn Leghorn) > Bash 'em if ya got 'em! > S' > David D. " > I thought I was pretty clear on the humor or joke part! I did not intend for > it to be serious or for anyone to be offended by it. > > And BTW, Kitbashing goes back much further than Stumpy--at one time it is > was the norm for S scale folks, when there was nothing but ACG out there > (and a little bit of Cleveland Modeling); many articles in the S Gauge > Herald about it! > So, now it is time to go do a little work on my model T (another hobby--like > I need more than one!) > Later guys & gals! > David D. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72731	From: calleytwo	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Kitbashing.

Alan - have a look back - there are no complaints or very, very few as far as we can see. That is the point. We need to get away from a "them and Us" mentality. We are all dinosaurs marching down that long final valley. There will be few replacements for us in coming generations so there is no point in fighting amongst ourselves. We need to enjoy ourselves and turning the other cheek if something is said is better than the confrontational postings we have had. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Kitbashing.   From: Alan Lambert           fort worth, Texas Alistair, I think the ones doing the complaining on this list are the collectors.They don't run trains like most of us do. We now have a way to make a Casey Jones into something that will be more valuable. If I had an original engine that quit running, I would do just like Stump, nake it run.         Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: "alizoo@... [1]" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Kitbashing.   Let's get it out in the open. How many people on this group have actually said they are offended by Stumpy's work? Very, very, very few.  So why does he keep complaining that they do? Is he looking for more praise for his well crafted work? Please Stumpy and supporters - give it a rest. There is no battle - at least on this group and if the complaints are off this group then they should be answered there. Thank you - let's get on with enjoying the hobby in our own separate ways. Aliistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:58:44 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Kitbashing.   Since certain people get offended if you look at them the wrong way, maybe they should start a train group called "You offended me with your trains" Group. It's sad that we are not allowed to have our opinions in life anymore without worry of offending someone. There are certain people over the years who for one reason or another have left the S-Trains group because they offended someone.. Some dang good people too. If you don't like what someone is doing to a train. then respectfully say I don't like it and why, then shut up! It is My hobby and My train to do what I want with it. If someone is offended that someone else paints an engine green instead of original colors to bad. It's a hobby folks and it's supposed to be fun. If it gives you grief what someone else is doing then find another hobby. Or, find another group like I said earlier in my post here. It is just so simple. Have fun and enjoy or find something else. Personally I don't give a rats butt what Teri does with a toy train. There is so much American Flyer out there that it will never all be kitbashed away. If you are worried about what he kitbashes, buy one in original condition and put it in your shelf at your home! Now that being said. I am sure Stumpy doesn't care what I think either and if he does, then all I can say is don't worry about what I think It's just my opinion. I am sure my opinion will make someone mad, but Oh well, get over it and go play with your trains. As a friend of mine always says, "if you got em, run em!" Later dudes! Christopher Burger AKA Cbtrainnut. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ [5] Links: ------ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMWNsbmMwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjcxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzUyMjgyMTc-?act=reply&messageNum=72717 [6] [2] mailto:chrisandmhelburger@... [7]?subject=Re%3A%20Kitbashing. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72732	From: kempfam	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?

Quit reading what Stumpy writes then.  He can do what he wants with his property and if what he writes is inappropriate, the moderators will delete it.   Ron Kemp Sent from Samsung tablet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72733	From: David	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: 2 More CJ To American 4-4-0 Project Photos 07-31-2013

We have added two (2) more photos at our album here for the latest CJ to American 4-4-0 project (link below). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list> In photo #D we have re-shaped the rear DW skirt. Photo #E shows the NEW rear motor chassis mounts. These mounts are made from plastic and the chassis sits on top of the mounts with 4:40 screws attaching them. We for got to mention that in the previous photos we added a walk way to the cow catcher to extent it and give it more depth plus lowering it. This way you do not have to replace it. "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO ALL" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72734	From: alan smith	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Kitbashing.

AMEN ! Let's play nice!! Life is short - and us old Dinos are fading away. Not many young men or girls in any Train club. Think about it. Bash the trash and Run-um all {good - bad and ugly} -- into the Sunset. Happy rails to all, Ohio Alan On Jul 31, 2013, at 3:02 AM, alizoo@... wrote: > Alan - have a look back - there are no complaints or very, very few as > far as we can see. That is the point. We need to get away from a "them > and Us" mentality. We are all dinosaurs marching down that long final > valley. There will be few replacements for us in coming generations > so there is no point in fighting amongst ourselves. We need to enjoy > ourselves and turning the other cheek if something is said is better > than the confrontational postings we have had. Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" > Cc: > Sent:Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:52:20 -0700 (PDT) > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Kitbashing. > > > > From: Alan Lambert > fort worth, Texas > > Alistair, > > I think the ones doing the complaining on this list are the > collectors.They don't run trains like most of us do. We now have a > way to make a Casey Jones into something that will be more valuable. > If I had an original engine that quit running, I would do just like > Stump, nake it run. > Alan Lambert > > > > ________________________________ > From: "alizoo@... [1]" > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Kitbashing. > > > Let's get it out in the open. How many people on this group have > actually said they are offended by Stumpy's work? Very, very, very > few. So why does he keep complaining that they do? Is he looking > for more praise for his well crafted work? Please Stumpy and > supporters - give it a rest. There is no battle - at least on this > group and if the complaints are off this group then they should be > answered there. Thank you - let's get on with enjoying the hobby in > our own separate ways. Aliistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:58:44 -0000 > Subject:[S-Trains] Kitbashing. > > > > Since certain people get offended if you look at them the wrong > way, maybe they should start a train group called "You offended me > with your trains" Group. > It's sad that we are not allowed to have our opinions in life > anymore without worry of offending someone. > There are certain people over the years who for one reason or > another have left the S-Trains group because they offended someone.. > Some dang good people too. > If you don't like what someone is doing to a train. then > respectfully say I don't like it and why, then shut up! It is My > hobby and My train to do what I want with it. > If someone is offended that someone else paints an engine green > instead of original colors to bad. It's a hobby folks and it's > supposed to be fun. If it gives you grief what someone else is doing > then find another hobby. Or, find another group like I said earlier > in my post here. > It is just so simple. Have fun and enjoy or find something else. > Personally I don't give a rats butt what Teri does with a toy train. > There is so much American Flyer out there that it will never all be > kitbashed away. If you are worried about what he kitbashes, buy one > in original condition and put it in your shelf at your home! > Now that being said. I am sure Stumpy doesn't care what I think > either and if he does, then all I can say is don't worry about what > I > think It's just my opinion. I am sure my opinion will make someone > mad, but Oh well, get over it and go play with your trains. > As a friend of mine always says, "if you got em, run em!" 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72735	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Kitbashing.

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Alistair, Glad you put it that way. The way I look at it is this: some of us like to turn an engine into something AC Gilbert never offered.  That is where we all need to look at.          Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Kitbashing.   Alan - have a look back - there are no complaints or very, very few as far as we can see. That is the point. We need to get away from a "them and Us" mentality. We are all dinosaurs marching down that long final valley. There will be few replacements for us in coming generations so there is no point in fighting amongst ourselves. We need to enjoy ourselves and turning the other cheek if something is said is better than the confrontational postings we have had. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Kitbashing.   From: Alan Lambert           fort worth, Texas Alistair, I think the ones doing the complaining on this list are the collectors.They don't run trains like most of us do. We now have a way to make a Casey Jones into something that will be more valuable. If I had an original engine that quit running, I would do just like Stump, nake it run.         Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: "alizoo@... [1]" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Kitbashing.   Let's get it out in the open. How many people on this group have actually said they are offended by Stumpy's work? Very, very, very few.  So why does he keep complaining that they do? Is he looking for more praise for his well crafted work? Please Stumpy and supporters - give it a rest. There is no battle - at least on this group and if the complaints are off this group then they should be answered there. Thank you - let's get on with enjoying the hobby in our own separate ways. Aliistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:58:44 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Kitbashing.   Since certain people get offended if you look at them the wrong way, maybe they should start a train group called "You offended me with your trains" Group. It's sad that we are not allowed to have our opinions in life anymore without worry of offending someone. There are certain people over the years who for one reason or another have left the S-Trains group because they offended someone.. Some dang good people too. If you don't like what someone is doing to a train. then respectfully say I don't like it and why, then shut up! It is My hobby and My train to do what I want with it. If someone is offended that someone else paints an engine green instead of original colors to bad. It's a hobby folks and it's supposed to be fun. If it gives you grief what someone else is doing then find another hobby. Or, find another group like I said earlier in my post here. It is just so simple. Have fun and enjoy or find something else. Personally I don't give a rats butt what Teri does with a toy train. There is so much American Flyer out there that it will never all be kitbashed away. If you are worried about what he kitbashes, buy one in original condition and put it in your shelf at your home! Now that being said. I am sure Stumpy doesn't care what I think either and if he does, then all I can say is don't worry about what I think It's just my opinion. I am sure my opinion will make someone mad, but Oh well, get over it and go play with your trains. As a friend of mine always says, "if you got em, run em!" Later dudes! 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72736	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Forced Perspective

Hi All, I'm thinking about placing a drive-in theater in the middle of my 12' x 12' layout. I'm also thinking about whether to use 1/64 vehicles or go with the smaller Matchbox cars. Or should I get HO cars? I thought I would ask for some opinions before I go buy the cars. Thanks for your input! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72737	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?

Clemency          I've been reading the posts regarding Clemency and Kitbashing.  I do believe that Stumpy was really being humorous when he made his post and was making a reference to the new CJ Kit Bash project by LBR.  I know many American Flyer train collectors and the people that I know would not be offended by what Stumpy does.  I know one thing that would make a true collector angry is if he offered Stumpy a thousand dollars for a 346 0-8-0 Switcher and Stumpy said NO, its mine and I'm going to make this a 2-8-0 out of it. In the dark days of "S" Scale before American Models and "S" Helper Service many "S" scalers had to use Hudsons, 0-8-0's, K5's etc with "S" Scale Locomotive parts to make scale locomotives. Those were the days when collectors were concerned, because those in "S" scale had no concern for the value of American Flyer. Today's world is much different as there is much more Ready to Run pieces available.  As "S" Gaugers we should all respect each others choice in the this hobby. That includes Collectors, Operators, and those who do Kit Bashing. While Stumpy may boost on his projects, he also takes time to share his knowledge of what he does to all "S" Gaugers and for that he should be applauded.  Many American Flyer people get upset when they see someone on Ebay part out a train such as a 336 Northern, which is most likey the worst thing you could do with a nice piece. The bottom line, whoever owns the piece can do what they want with it. This is America.  That doesn't mean that American Flyer people can't disclose their feelings.  We're all "S" Gaugers folks, Let's stick together.                                                                    Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: kempfam <kempfam@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Clemency?   Quit reading what Stumpy writes then.  He can do what he wants with his property and if what he writes is inappropriate, the moderators will delete it.   Ron Kemp Sent from Samsung tablet [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72738	From: alan smith	Date: 7/31/2013
Subject: Fwd: Mechanics Chair

This is the ultimate unit for getting up from under a layout. Begin forwarded message: > From: Bob Unkel > Date: July 31, 2013 7:36:04 AM EDT > To: bob.unkel > Subject: Mechanics Chair > > Check this out, this is neat! > Bob > > http://www.wimp.com/hydraulicchair/" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72739	From: David	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: More CJ Project Photos 08-01-2013

We have added six (6) new photos to the latest CJ project at our photo album here at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list> The last engine shell before you look at the tender photos (#02 CJ to American 4-4-0-AA) shows the engine shell back from the paint shop. The head light lens opening was reamed out to .24o" and we will install a 3.5mm x 3.5mm warm white LED chip after we apply the B&O decals to the engine and tender. The other five (5) photos show the modification of the tender shell. Be sure to save all removed parts for other projects you may want to do later. "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO ALL" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72740	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Mechanics Chair

I'm not too sure how this would work on my carpetted floor under my layout, but I'd love to have one in my garage for working on my cars. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alan smith <alansmith@...> wrote: > > This is the ultimate unit for getting up from under a layout. > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Bob Unkel > > Date: July 31, 2013 7:36:04 AM EDT > > To: bob.unkel > > Subject: Mechanics Chair > > > > Check this out, this is neat! > > Bob > > > > http://www.wimp.com/hydraulicchair/" > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72741	From: Jerry	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: Mechanics Chair

Very cool! But it probably costs more than my whole layout.... ;>) I've modified an old creeper using scrap lumber to serve the same purpose, but since I only use it for one application, it doesn't need to be adjustable. I'd like to see what Stumpy would do with such a device! JUST KIDDING FOLKS! I've known the gentleman for years, and have the utmost respect for him and his efforts. And as a side note, I've been known to haunt the "under the table" areas of swap meets too in search of "creative fodder". Keep it light, guys, it's all supposed to be fun! Jerry PS I'm heading out to Louisville to be among a few thousand close friends who have modified old cars to suit their tastes. Most of them basket cases. Can we be considered "bashing" cars in the same way that some of us do trains? Absolutely! It's my (insert favorite thing here) and I can do whatever I want to it. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alan smith <alansmith@...> wrote: > > This is the ultimate unit for getting up from under a layout. > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Bob Unkel > > Date: July 31, 2013 7:36:04 AM EDT > > To: bob.unkel > > Subject: Mechanics Chair > > > > Check this out, this is neat! > > Bob > > > > http://www.wimp.com/hydraulicchair/" > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72742	From: David	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: FREE Kit Bashed CJ E&T (Advertisement)

Beginning today (Aug. 1, 2013) and ending on 11-01-2014 we will enter any one purchasing items from our CASEY JONES KIT BASHING page at our web site (link below) http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> to win a FREE LBR Enterprises kit bashed AF Casey Jones engine and tender unit. The approximate value is $249.00 USD and this drawing is open only to US residents. This unit will have the following items included: S-'n-S can motor (wired for AC/DC operation), DALLEE #518 electronic reversing unit, LED head light, LED green marker lighting, Smoke & chuff unit, Four (4) wheel traction, Weighted engine chassis, LED directional back up lighting, LED red marker lights, Operating knuckle coupler (this is a hi-rail unit). Road name and number is the winners choice. Purchasers name will be entered in this drawing as many times as they buy items from this page at our site. "HAPPY RAIL ROADING TO ALL" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72743	From: alan smith	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: Re: Clemency?

To ALL, Tom is right. The Porcupine has been kicked down the road enough. There is much to enjoy and so little time to do it. For the love of trains let's move on and enjoy the hobby. Cheers, Ohio Alan On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > Clemency > I've been reading the posts regarding Clemency and > Kitbashing. I do believe that Stumpy was really being humorous when > he made his post and was making a reference to the new CJ Kit Bash > project by LBR. I know many American Flyer train collectors and the > people that I know would not be offended by what Stumpy does. I > know one thing that would make a true collector angry is if he > offered Stumpy a thousand dollars for a 346 0-8-0 Switcher and > Stumpy said NO, its mine and I'm going to make this a 2-8-0 out of > it. In the dark days of "S" Scale before American Models and "S" > Helper Service many "S" scalers had to use Hudsons, 0-8-0's, K5's > etc with "S" Scale Locomotive parts to make scale locomotives. Those > were the days when collectors were concerned, because those in "S" > scale had no concern for the value of American Flyer. Today's world > is much different as there is much more Ready to Run pieces > available. As "S" Gaugers we should > all respect each others choice in the this hobby. That includes > Collectors, Operators, and those who do Kit Bashing. > While Stumpy may boost on his projects, he also takes time to share > his knowledge of what he does to all "S" Gaugers and for that he > should be applauded. Many American Flyer people get upset when they > see someone on Ebay part out a train such as a 336 Northern, which > is most likey the worst thing you could do with a nice piece. The > bottom line, whoever owns the piece can do what they want with it. > This is America. That doesn't mean that American Flyer people can't > disclose their feelings. We're all "S" Gaugers folks, Let's stick > together. > > Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: kempfam <kempfam@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:30 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Clemency? > > > > Quit reading what Stumpy writes then. He can do what he wants with > his property and if what he writes is inappropriate, the moderators > will delete it. > Ron Kemp > > Sent from Samsung tablet > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72744	From: EDWARD	Date: 8/1/2013
Subject: kitbashing

From a moderator, It is time to call a halt to the clemency, kit bashing and Stumpy posts. We all have our concept of how we want to run our trains and modifying rolling stock. Each individual has their own ideas and no one should care what someone else does to their trains. Many members, including myself, understand that not all of us can afford to buy the new products or care to add anything else to our collections. Age and reduced income have impeded some. Most of us do have junk boxes where we find our spare parts or have fun making something out of nothing. This was done 50 years ago and no one complained at that time. Of course we didn't have this type of social media then. So lets quit the rehashing on this subject. It is great the LBR has given some folks the leeway to model to their hearts delight as we did when we were kids. So, lets get back to our trains! Thanks, Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72745	From: David	Date: 8/2/2013
Subject: Three More CJ Project Photos 08-02-2013

Three (3) more photos showing how to build up the new coal bunker on this CJ project. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list> We use .080" plastic sheeting for the coal bunker and rail. Epoxy these in place. Neatness is not required as the top of the bunker plastic will be covered with layers of simulated coal. "Happy Rail Roading To All" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72746	From: Art Cooper	Date: 8/2/2013
Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout

Good Evening! I wanted to thank everyone who responded to my inquiry for the guidance and recommendations provided. I have elected not to attempt adding connecting trestles from lower level to planned upper level(s) at this point. Thanks Again Best Regards to all Art Cooper Richardson, TX From: John Davis Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:09 PM To: greenjumpertx@... Cc: johndavis7993@... Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout Here is the active link. http://www.cke1st.com/m_train2.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Davis <wyoaf@...> To: "greenjumpertx@..." <greenjumpertx@...> Cc: "johndavis7993@..." <johndavis7993@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Building First Home Permanent Layout Art: My advice on your layout is to have an elevated section for the visual appeal of it, but don't require your trains to climb/descend each "lap". To that end, I am building an island style American Flyer layout 6' x 10' in the loft of our vacation home, out of state. Two trains can run continuously, and the "upper train" can move about, perform switching etc. It's about the same size as yours. I refer you to: ttp://www.cke1st.com/m_train2.htm The link above is to Mike's Small Track Plans, and I am building the 1st one ("his best") with an extra oval around the outside. I can't go any bigger because of the slope of the ceiling, but it allows 3 train operation, is all connected by switches, and allows bridges, trestles, etc to wow the viewer with elevation but not to cause you to hold your breath on each "lap" of operation. Best to me is that there is room to showcase nearly all A.C. Gilbert operating accessories, and they are near enough to the viewer to marvel at them and allow balky cows, oil drums, logs, packages etc to be assisted by the omnipotent "hand in the sky". If you are interested, I can scan and email some photos of it to you. Take your time. The late John Allen said that "Planning a layout is a hobby in itself" and I have come to believe it. All the best. John Davis Noblesville IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72747	From: charlieboydstun	Date: 8/2/2013
Subject: S scale track

I have been collecting trains for years. Finally going to do a multi-scale, multi-level layout. What is the best track now for S Scale. I have the original but would like something more realistic.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72748	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: S scale track

I'm positive that there will be MANY opinions expressed for this question! (There always are when this comes up!)I've tried original Flyer, Gargraves, S Helper, and American Models. All have their good and bad points. Gargraves was my least favorite as the rail profile looked more like Lionel tinplate track and the switches were very poor quality. Flex track is available, the only plus. Old American Flyer rated better, but not enough ties and the rail was too tall. The switches worked well enough, but looked goofy. With much attention, it can look "reasonably" real. No flex track. American Models has a very low rail profile allowing both scale and Flyer wheel flanges to operate reliably. It is modeled similarly to typical HO track and roadbed can be added if you like to raise it up. There are a large variety of track types in the line. Flex track available. S Helper will run scale wheels and has the lowest rail profile that Flyer wheel flanges will operate reliably on. The switches have a movable frog which allows just about anything you want to run go through them reliably. The sectional track has very nice ballasted roadbed style and flex track is available. NOTE: SHS is now to be made by MTH Trains and is not currently available except for what back stock remains. I have not used Flyonel's S gauge track. But from what I have seen, and talking to people that are using it, it seems very similar in design to the SHS and closer to Bachmann (HO) EZ track in appearance with less detailed ballasted roadbed. The new catalog shows switches and other track sections will be available. Flex track available? I have used S Helper track almost since it came out and really like it for giving the most scale appearance and operating reliability for both scale and Flyer type wheelsets. However, if I were building a large "scale like" layout, I might opt for the American Models track. It's all about what YOU want! Check out the product, listen to everyone's thoughts, but the ultimate choice is YOURS! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72749	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: Re: S scale track

am track but I have a lot of used s-help I can sell I would like to go to all am track let me know I have a 5 feet by 40 feet layout plus more track switches === I have a lot of gargrave track switches and track -----Original Message----- From: charlieboydstun <charlieboydstun@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Aug 3, 2013 12:15 am Subject: [S-Trains] S scale track I have been collecting trains for years. Finally going to do a multi-scale, multi-level layout. What is the best track now for S Scale. I have the original but would like something more realistic. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72750	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: Re: S scale track

Excellent summary Stumpy! I have used all of the tracks mentioned except Gargraves. I have a friend with Gargraves so I've seen it too. A new user can make a reasonable decision based on this review. All of the tracks can be joined to each other as I have successfully done it (don't know about the Gargraves although my friend has joined it with AF track). I second the opinion that it is really the user's choice depending on the goal. As with a lot of the hobby there is no right or wrong. So decide what you want and enjoy it. Tom in Mad City Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:46 AM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > I'm positive that there will be MANY opinions expressed for this question! (There always are when this comes up!)I've tried original Flyer, Gargraves, S Helper, and American Models. All have their good and bad points. > > Gargraves was my least favorite as the rail profile looked more like Lionel tinplate track and the switches were very poor quality. Flex track is available, the only plus. > > Old American Flyer rated better, but not enough ties and the rail was too tall. The switches worked well enough, but looked goofy. With much attention, it can look "reasonably" real. No flex track. > > American Models has a very low rail profile allowing both scale and Flyer wheel flanges to operate reliably. It is modeled similarly to typical HO track and roadbed can be added if you like to raise it up. There are a large variety of track types in the line. Flex track available. > > S Helper will run scale wheels and has the lowest rail profile that Flyer wheel flanges will operate reliably on. The switches have a movable frog which allows just about anything you want to run go through them reliably. The sectional track has very nice ballasted roadbed style and flex track is available. > NOTE: SHS is now to be made by MTH Trains and is not currently available except for what back stock remains. > > I have not used Flyonel's S gauge track. But from what I have seen, and talking to people that are using it, it seems very similar in design to the SHS and closer to Bachmann (HO) EZ track in appearance with less detailed ballasted roadbed. The new catalog shows switches and other track sections will be available. Flex track available? > > I have used S Helper track almost since it came out and really like it for giving the most scale appearance and operating reliability for both scale and Flyer type wheelsets. However, if I were building a large "scale like" layout, I might opt for the American Models track. > > It's all about what YOU want! Check out the product, listen to everyone's thoughts, but the ultimate choice is YOURS! > > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72751	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/4/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72752	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: Re: Double slip switch or double crossover

Since this is asking about turnouts, I was wondering if anyone has had experience using a double slip switch? I seem to remember someone saying they don't work well - have problems of trains going through them. Has anyone ever made one (using SHS type track, roughly code 133). Could one make a double crossover using AM track (2 pairs of switches plus a 30 degree crossover) or does the crossover present wiring/shorting problems. One can make a single crossover using a pair of turnouts with the tracks on 3" centers, so one could make two crossovers which would serve the purpose of a double crossover - although it would be almost twice as long as a double crossover, it would remove possible problems with a crossover. I would prefer using SHS type track for this, but I don't think there are any crossovers in SHS track. Well, any suggestions would be gratefully accepted. thanks for info. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 8/3/2013 22:41, Bill Lane wrote: > > Bob, > > I use the Hankscraft stall motors. > http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout_Photos/Underside_2.jpg I have > never tried using Tortoise machines but with .062 steel music wire for > a throw rod the Hankscraft motors are **unstoppable**. It WILL turn > the throw bar wire into a spring or blow your turnout apart! Part of > the using them is being able to incrementally turn the power up until > you make all your points throw completely. This works! > > I am using SHS rail for many of my turnouts. The points are NOT gapped > for a throw hinge point. > > Thank You, > Bill Lane > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72753	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: Forced Perspective

Hi All, I'm re-posting this question from several days ago. I'm thinking about placing a drive-in theater in the middle of my 12' x 12' layout. I'm also thinking about whether to use 1/64 vehicles or go with the smaller Matchbox cars for some forced perspective. Or should I get HO cars? I thought I would ask for some opinions before I go buy the cars. Thanks for your input! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72754	From: carl4flyer	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: Re: Double slip switch or double crossover

Rance, I have made a double crossover using AM track and a 30 degree crossing. Modifications were needed. See details at : http://www.tuveson.com/double-crossover/bashing_a_double_crossover.htm I also had to make the frog points hot to eliminate dead spots. See http://www.tuveson.com/am-hot-frog/am-turnout-frog-fix.htm Carl _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rance Velapoldi Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 5:14 PM To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com; S-trains yahoo Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Double slip switch or double crossover Since this is asking about turnouts, I was wondering if anyone has had experience using a double slip switch? I seem to remember someone saying they don't work well - have problems of trains going through them. Has anyone ever made one (using SHS type track, roughly code 133). Could one make a double crossover using AM track (2 pairs of switches plus a 30 degree crossover) or does the crossover present wiring/shorting problems. One can make a single crossover using a pair of turnouts with the tracks on 3" centers, so one could make two crossovers which would serve the purpose of a double crossover - although it would be almost twice as long as a double crossover, it would remove possible problems with a crossover. I would prefer using SHS type track for this, but I don't think there are any crossovers in SHS track. Well, any suggestions would be gratefully accepted. thanks for info. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 8/3/2013 22:41, Bill Lane wrote: > > Bob, > > I use the Hankscraft stall motors. > http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout_Photos/Underside_2.jpg I have > never tried using Tortoise machines but with .062 steel music wire for > a throw rod the Hankscraft motors are **unstoppable**. It WILL turn > the throw bar wire into a spring or blow your turnout apart! Part of > the using them is being able to incrementally turn the power up until > you make all your points throw completely. This works! > > I am using SHS rail for many of my turnouts. The points are NOT gapped > for a throw hinge point. > > Thank You, > Bill Lane > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72755	From: lionely6b	Date: 8/3/2013
Subject: The Defender sets are coming!

No fooling!! For those long suffering souls who have patiently waited,the Defender sets are arriving at dealers. I picked mine up today atWild Bill's Trains in Detroit. It is reassuring to know that the Defender is nolonger as elusive as the Loch Ness Monster. Also, for those of a more serious mindset, the second batchof SD70ACe's are arriving, too. I snagged my DL&W powered and non-poweredunits, as well. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72756	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: Re: S scale track

Excellent review Stumpy. WOuld like to mention that prices vary a lot also. American FLyer track being cheapest, then the Gargraves next best price. And hasn't gargraves redesigned their S-Gauge switch? Then American models I believe is a little cheaper than S-Helper which looking at the catalog of MTH will be close to same price as S-Helper was. Especially switches at 69.99. Then lastly you have the Lionel S-Gauge Fastrack which is very high with the switches retailing 99.00 in their catalog but currently not available yet.   Hope I got that all right. Chris Burger AKA Cbtrainnut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72757	From: Gerry Siegel	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: Re: Forced Perspective

David, From my experience and IMHO you will get a much more realistic scene by reducing the scale of wehicles, buildings, people and so on as the distance from the front increases. That is the way we see things. I visited a layout where the dpth was great enough so that the builder had HO in the middle ground and N in the distant background. Gaveeal sense of distant viewing. Best of luck, Gerry Siegel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72758	From: David	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: "How To Kit Bash An AF Casey Jones" (Advertisement)

Sometime around the last of August or the first of September we will have the pamphlet for kit bashing the AMERICAN FLYER Casey Jones E&T. With color photos and step by step instructions for modifying your AF Casey Jones into a unit that you can be proud of. This pamphlet will also have hints by the author as how to and what to do for certain steps. Paints & Epoxies used for beat results. To order please send a self addressed #10 envelope and $2.00 (helps defray the cost of printing) to LBR Enterprises,llc - Attn: R&D Dept. (CJ BASH) - P.O. Box 494 - Goshen, KY 40026 This pamphlet will also have a $5.00 OFF coupon in it for parts purchased from our CASEY JONES KIT BASHING page at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> "Bash-em if you got-em" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72759	From: traindavid	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: Re: Defender Sets are Coming

Bob, How about a description of what actually comes with the sets--there was some debate a while ago about the operating cars not being operating cars. What actually came in the box? Thanks! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72760	From: David	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: NEW ALBUM for CJ motors & LED's

We have added another album here to show motors and LED's that are available for the AF Casey Jones E&T units. To view please use the link below; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1359697461/pic/list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1359697461/pic/list\ > This first photo features the S-'n-S Can motor with our brass spacer installed. This spacer keeps the chassis bushing under it from riding up and compromising the operation of the motor and eventually bending the motor shaft and striping the drive wheel axle gear. Sometime this month we will offer a fly wheel that can replace this spacer and will increase the visual operation of the engine (slower start and stop) that is more in line with the real world operation of steam engines. "Happy Rail Roading To All" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72761	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/4/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 4, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72762	From: James Lyle	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: Re: The Defender sets are coming!

Bob Are there any "action" cars in the set?????? Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2013, at 10:27 PM, rbubeck327@... wrote: > No fooling!! > > > > For those long suffering souls who have patiently waited,the Defender sets are arriving at dealers. I picked mine up today atWild Bill's Trains in Detroit. It is reassuring to know that the Defender is nolonger as elusive as the Loch Ness Monster. > > Also, for those of a more serious mindset, the second batchof SD70ACe's are arriving, too. I snagged my DL&W powered and non-poweredunits, as well. > > > Bob Bubeck > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72763	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/4/2013
Subject: Re: Forced Perspective

David.... I'm assuming (always dangerous) that the scene you want to create would be about 6 feet away from the eyes of your viewer. Also, I'm not sure what other visual items (structures etc.) will be in immediate proximity to the scene. Anyway, lets consider this as a possibility. Your dealership would have to be somewhat diminished in dimension or the smaller, less than S scale, vehicles would wind up looking out of place. That's assuming they are in the forefront of an S building. If the smaller matchbox vehicles were placed more toward the rear of an S structure and a Few S vehicles were in the front, you might better pull off the "fool the eye" scene. Along with the vehicles, you might consider having figures of appropriate size near some of the vehicles. I believe this arrangement might add visual legitimacy to the scene. I hesitate to suggest that the building be made less than S in proportion, as it would probably conflict visually with other items on the layout. If your layout can be viewed from all sides, then I would camouflage the back area with the smaller vehicles, so that it can be viewed from only one side. That being from the front. I'm thinking of a fenced in portion of the property or some other scenic device. Hope this helps, Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72764	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S STATION for August posted

This month on http://myflyertrains.org we have "The Junkyard" Part Five. This is the final installment where we do a few details for the typical small junkyard scene. I hope you enjoyed all the information, I mis-spent years of my life in junkyards to learn it! :-) Next month Stumpy's Station returns to construction as we begin another project. ...Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72765	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: Forced Perspective

Gene makes a really good point. If you can see all the way across the layout, having smaller things in the center with larger behind them destroys the forced perspective. You have to have something like a sky board behind the drive in so nobody can see the rest of the way across the layout. I've seen this done quite effectively where people walk around the layout and it looks like a continuous straight line scene. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 4, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Gene Cimino" <ecphora123@...> wrote: > David.... > > I'm assuming (always dangerous) that the scene you want to create would be about 6 feet away from the eyes of your viewer. Also, I'm not sure what other visual items (structures etc.) will be in immediate proximity to the scene. > > Anyway, lets consider this as a possibility. Your dealership would have to be somewhat diminished in dimension or the smaller, less than S scale, vehicles would wind up looking out of place. That's assuming they are in the forefront of an S building. > > If the smaller matchbox vehicles were placed more toward the rear of an S structure and a Few S vehicles were in the front, you might better pull off the "fool the eye" scene. Along with the vehicles, you might consider having figures of appropriate size near some of the vehicles. I believe this arrangement might add visual legitimacy to the scene. > > I hesitate to suggest that the building be made less than S in proportion, as it would probably conflict visually with other items on the layout. > > If your layout can be viewed from all sides, then I would camouflage the back area with the smaller vehicles, so that it can be viewed from only one side. That being from the front. I'm thinking of a fenced in portion of the property or some other scenic device. > > Hope this helps, Gene Cimino > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72766	From: lionely6b	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: The Defender set is coming!

Just seeing if you all are paying attention. ;-) The new Defender set includes all of the operating cars of the original 1959 set. The rocket flat launches a rocket, the unloading boxcar unloads crates, and the flood light car is illuminated. The rocket launcher and the operating boxcar are not wired together, but one can operate them separately (I never understood why Gilbert wired them together in the first place). The C&O GP-7 is equipped with the new style power truck (which is good) with a vertically mounted can motor and an electronic ringing bell. The engine is quite handsome, actually. The more visibly noticeable deviations from the originals is that the yellow is a bit brighter than Gilbert's and the search light flat is a red rather than Tuscan. The set comes with two nice accessory rails (and two contact buttons) that mount to traditional Gilbert track. The set is attractively packaged and boxed. No track is included. Not a perfect copy (reissues never are), but a creditable reissue, IMHO. Owners of nice originals may wish to own one because it gives one a set to play with and avoid paint chipping on their Gilbert originals. The new Defender set was on display at York and shown on Lionel's Facebook site, so the contents are 'old news' to many of us. Hope this helps. Bob Bubeck Bob, How about a description of what actually comes with the sets--there was some debate a while ago about the operating cars not being operating cars. What actually came in the box? Thanks! David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72767	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: The Defender set is coming!

Hi Bob, Please tell us the precise name for Lionel's FB site. I found more than one using the logo and did not see one with product announcements. Thanks, Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 8/5/2013 10:35 AM, rbubeck327@... wrote: > Just seeing if you all are paying attention. ;-) > > > The new Defender set includes all of the operating cars of the original 1959 set. The rocket flat launches a rocket, the unloading boxcar unloads crates, and the flood light car is illuminated. The rocket launcher and the operating boxcar are not wired together, but one can operate them separately (I never understood why Gilbert wired them together in the first place). The C&O GP-7 is equipped with the new style power truck (which is good) with a vertically mounted can motor and an electronic ringing bell. The engine is quite handsome, actually. The more visibly noticeable deviations from the originals is that the yellow is a bit brighter than Gilbert's and the search light flat is a red rather than Tuscan. The set comes with two nice accessory rails (and two contact buttons) that mount to traditional Gilbert track. The set is attractively packaged and boxed. No track is included. > > > Not a perfect copy (reissues never are), but a creditable reissue, IMHO. Owners of nice originals may wish to own one because it gives one a set to play with and avoid paint chipping on their Gilbert originals. > > > The new Defender set was on display at York and shown on Lionel's Facebook site, so the contents are 'old news' to many of us. > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Bob Bubeck >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72768	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: The Defender set is coming!

³Lionel Trains² Roy Inman From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 10:56:50 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: The Defender set is coming! Hi Bob, Please tell us the precise name for Lionel's FB site. I found more than one using the logo and did not see one with product announcements. Thanks, Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us On 8/5/2013 10:35 AM, rbubeck327@... <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com> wrote: > Just seeing if you all are paying attention. ;-) > > > The new Defender set includes all of the operating cars of the original 1959 set. The rocket flat launches a rocket, the unloading boxcar unloads crates, and the flood light car is illuminated. The rocket launcher and the operating boxcar are not wired together, but one can operate them separately (I never understood why Gilbert wired them together in the first place). The C&O GP-7 is equipped with the new style power truck (which is good) with a vertically mounted can motor and an electronic ringing bell. The engine is quite handsome, actually. The more visibly noticeable deviations from the originals is that the yellow is a bit brighter than Gilbert's and the search light flat is a red rather than Tuscan. The set comes with two nice accessory rails (and two contact buttons) that mount to traditional Gilbert track. The set is attractively packaged and boxed. No track is included. > > > Not a perfect copy (reissues never are), but a creditable reissue, IMHO. Owners of nice originals may wish to own one because it gives one a set to play with and avoid paint chipping on their Gilbert originals. > > > The new Defender set was on display at York and shown on Lionel's Facebook site, so the contents are 'old news' to many of us. > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Bob Bubeck > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72769	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Fwd: New American Flyer Items Rolling In!

Some commercial lists have interesting and topical items. Since we were just chatting about the Defender set, here is a picture. Bill Bill Porter South Florida wpporter.duckburg.us -------- Original Message -------- <http://myemail.constantcontact.com/.html?soid=1102543198138&aid=8dtFwbk9gQE#fblike>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72770	From: lionely6b	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: The Defender set is coming!

Try this link: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.504673686246995.1073741825.476559235725107&type=3 Using the name 'American Flyer' works better than 'Lionel'. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > Please tell us the precise name for Lionel's FB site. I found more than > one using the logo and did not see one with product announcements. > > Thanks, Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > wpporter.duckburg.us > > On 8/5/2013 10:35 AM, rbubeck327@... wrote: > > Just seeing if you all are paying attention. ;-) > > > > > > The new Defender set includes all of the operating cars of the original 1959 set. The rocket flat launches a rocket, the unloading boxcar unloads crates, and the flood light car is illuminated. The rocket launcher and the operating boxcar are not wired together, but one can operate them separately (I never understood why Gilbert wired them together in the first place). The C&O GP-7 is equipped with the new style power truck (which is good) with a vertically mounted can motor and an electronic ringing bell. The engine is quite handsome, actually. The more visibly noticeable deviations from the originals is that the yellow is a bit brighter than Gilbert's and the search light flat is a red rather than Tuscan. The set comes with two nice accessory rails (and two contact buttons) that mount to traditional Gilbert track. The set is attractively packaged and boxed. No track is included. > > > > > > Not a perfect copy (reissues never are), but a creditable reissue, IMHO. Owners of nice originals may wish to own one because it gives one a set to play with and avoid paint chipping on their Gilbert originals. > > > > > > The new Defender set was on display at York and shown on Lionel's Facebook site, so the contents are 'old news' to many of us. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > Bob Bubeck > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72771	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/5/2013
Subject: Re: Forced Perspective

Gerry, David is absolutely correct. However, as I said, if you can view your layout from all sides, then all bets are off. Perhaps if you describe the overall design of your railroad relative to walls, then it would be easier to visualize what you are dealing with. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72772	From: David	Date: 8/6/2013
Subject: NEW PARTS for CJ Motor & Electrical Pick Ups

We have added 2 new parts for your CJ projects. A posted washer which replaces the 4 AF parts that were used on the CJ tender to mount the trucks and a CAN MOTOR BRASS FLY WHEEL. The photos are here at our album (#1 CJ Motor Parts) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1359697461/pic/list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1359697461/pic/list\ > "Bash'em If You Got'em" [:D] LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72773	From: Carey Probst	Date: 8/6/2013
Subject: Designing new layout

We have decided not to move from the rented house but to buy it and expand. This gives me the perfect opportunity for a reasonable layout space attached to what will be my office/workshop area. Cleaner tools like the drill press and scroll saw will be in the shop while larger tools like the band saw, compressor and table saw will stay in the garage since they are messy. Right now it looks like I will have an area about 15' x 18' for the layout but since I am still in the design phase that can change. My goal is a dual gauge layout, S and Sn3 with an interchange yard similar to the Mount Union yard for the EBT. It will be an around the wall design with a peninsula or 2 and walk in of some type. I haven't decided if I want to have a lift gate or just an opening which would preclude having a large circle of track. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions as to size or design. I don't want to be too ambitious because I would like to get it into decent shape before, well you know. Thanks in advance Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72774	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/6/2013
Subject: MRH announces TrainMasters-TV | Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine | M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmCSZA8V4SQ&feature=share       Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72775	From: Rich	Date: 8/6/2013
Subject: Re: MRH announces TrainMasters-TV | Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine

Brady - thanks for the link. You gotta like the sandwich meme - the encounter with the disk sander is priceless... - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmCSZA8V4SQ&feature=share >   >   >   > Brady Burdge > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72776	From: David	Date: 8/7/2013
Subject: NEW Johnson Bars for the CJ (Advertisement)

You asked and we listened. You asked for new Johnson bars (side rods) similar to the #302 Atlantics so we are having them made. Should be here by weeks end. Looks like the price will be $2.50 ea. "Bash'em if you Got'em" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72777	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 8/7/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Hello Doug, What was the original chimney on the #50 District School made of? I don't think I have ever handled one that still had it attached. The one picture I found of a #50 that had a chimney (original??) on it looked for all the world like the red wooden chimney that came with my old set of American (not Lincoln!) Logs. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School There are no GOOD repros available, and never have been, to my knowledge. As for an original.....the best of luck to you !! Doug Peck Port Lines --- In AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > Hello, group. > Does anyone know where I can get my hands on either an original or a reproduction of the red chimney that sits on top of the #50 District School? Any help in that regard would be most appreciate. > Thank you. > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > TCA Member > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72778	From: R G	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

I once saw a chimney on a school house at a train show that was plastic but the seller did not know if it was original.  If you find out let us know the results as I need one for my school house also. ________________________________ From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School   Hello Doug, What was the original chimney on the #50 District School made of? I don't think I have ever handled one that still had it attached. The one picture I found of a #50 that had a chimney (original??) on it looked for all the world like the red wooden chimney that came with my old set of American (not Lincoln!) Logs. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School There are no GOOD repros available, and never have been, to my knowledge. As for an original.....the best of luck to you !! Doug Peck Port Lines --- In AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > Hello, group. > Does anyone know where I can get my hands on either an original or a reproduction of the red chimney that sits on top of the #50 District School? Any help in that regard would be most appreciate. > Thank you. > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > TCA Member > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72779	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

I have a boxed #50 with the chimney. It appears to be molded from dark red plastic - guessing bakelite. Bill Drake St. Louis  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72780	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Hi Alan,                 The original chimneys and some of the reproduction chimneys were plastic.                                                           Tom Seccia                              ________________________________ From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School   Hello Doug, What was the original chimney on the #50 District School made of? I don't think I have ever handled one that still had it attached. The one picture I found of a #50 that had a chimney (original??) on it looked for all the world like the red wooden chimney that came with my old set of American (not Lincoln!) Logs. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School There are no GOOD repros available, and never have been, to my knowledge. As for an original.....the best of luck to you !! Doug Peck Port Lines --- In AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > Hello, group. > Does anyone know where I can get my hands on either an original or a reproduction of the red chimney that sits on top of the #50 District School? Any help in that regard would be most appreciate. > Thank you. > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > TCA Member > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72781	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

The original chimneys and some of the reproduction chimneys were plastic.                                                   Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School   I once saw a chimney on a school house at a train show that was plastic but the seller did not know if it was original.  If you find out let us know the results as I need one for my school house also. ________________________________ From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School   Hello Doug, What was the original chimney on the #50 District School made of? I don't think I have ever handled one that still had it attached. The one picture I found of a #50 that had a chimney (original??) on it looked for all the world like the red wooden chimney that came with my old set of American (not Lincoln!) Logs. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School There are no GOOD repros available, and never have been, to my knowledge. As for an original.....the best of luck to you !! Doug Peck Port Lines --- In AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > Hello, group. > Does anyone know where I can get my hands on either an original or a reproduction of the red chimney that sits on top of the #50 District School? Any help in that regard would be most appreciate. > Thank you. > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > TCA Member > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72782	From: lionely6b	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: Chimney for No. 50 School House

Alan, The original is a molded red plastic piece. As Doug has posted, there are no good repros, so fashion something from wood and paint it red. Bob Bubeck Hello Doug, What was the original chimney on the #50 District School made of? I don't think I have ever handled one that still had it attached. The one picture I found of a #50 that had a chimney (original??) on it looked for all the world like the red wooden chimney that came with my old set of American (not Lincoln!) Logs. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72783	From: David	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: CJ WHITE WALLS

We have been ask to provide the info. to get a nice even looking paint job on plastic or metal wheels for the white walls. This is no secret and the process has been around for a long time. Simply find a mandrel that fits your wheel. Insert the mandrel in your wheel and chuck it up in a drill motor (variable speed). Select a very small pointed brush that is applicable for the paint you are using. Thin the paint slightly then apply to the wheel sparingly using as many layers to get the finish you want. When the paint is thoroughly dry apply a coat or two of clear sealer. There you have it. A GREAT JOB EVERY TIME. We do offer this service at our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> for those of you that are not quite sure of your skill set. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72784	From: R G	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

If possible could you provide pictures and measurements.  I would say most of us who own a school house do not have the chimney! ________________________________ From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School   I have a boxed #50 with the chimney. It appears to be molded from dark red plastic - guessing bakelite. Bill Drake St. Louis  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72785	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Doyle's book has a picture on page 170.                                    Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School   If possible could you provide pictures and measurements.  I would say most of us who own a school house do not have the chimney! ________________________________ From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School   I have a boxed #50 with the chimney. It appears to be molded from dark red plastic - guessing bakelite. Bill Drake St. Louis  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72786	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

You know, since many of these District Schools are usually missing their chimney’s, you’d think someone would reproduce them. Heck, I’d spend $10-$20 dollars for one if I could get my hands on it. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 3:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Doyle's book has a picture on page 170. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: R G <mailto:keyhole_corona%40yahoo.com> To: "mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School If possible could you provide pictures and measurements. I would say most of us who own a school house do not have the chimney! ________________________________ From: Bill Drake <mailto:ee_train%40yahoo.com> To: "mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School I have a boxed #50 with the chimney. It appears to be molded from dark red plastic - guessing bakelite. Bill Drake St. Louis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72787	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/8/2013
Subject: Scenery Plots

Before WWII Lionel offered pre-madescenic plots, they were complete scenes ready to drop-in. I decided to borrow the idea (again) to do a few for the new layout using Clever Models company houses, leftover masonite, paint and some painters tape.. http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/plots/plot1.JPG http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/plots/plot2.JPG http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/plots/plot3.JPG My results aside, I think the concept has great potential.. - The plots can be made on the table or workbench, no reaching across the layout to build - Easy to remove for modification or dusting - Curbs are built in, and a thinner material (or the layout surface) can be used for the streets. - If you've got more structures than layout space you could swap out plots, change industries, seasons, etc. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72788	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there first. Bill Drake St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen shield on the roof while at it) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72789	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: Scenery Plots

Brady, Great idea and very nice job. But don't let the building inspector catch you with no handrails on the porch. The slats must be scale 6" apart. Who am I kidding, there was no building code when those houses were built. Ha. Ha. Seriously, very nice work. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > Before WWII Lionel offered pre-madescenic plots, they were complete scenes ready to drop-in. I decided to borrow the idea (again) to do a few for the new layout using Clever Models company houses, leftover masonite, paint and some painters tape.. > > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/plots/plot1.JPG > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/plots/plot2.JPG > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/plots/plot3.JPG > > > My results aside, I think the concept has great potential.. > > - The plots can be made on the table or workbench, no reaching across the layout to build > > - Easy to remove for modification or dusting > > - Curbs are built in, and a thinner material (or the layout surface) can be used for the streets. > > - If you've got more structures than layout space you could swap out plots, change industries, seasons, etc. > > > > Brady Burdge > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72790	From: David	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: 2mm LED's with brass mounting stem (Advertisement)

We have finally come up with the perfect classification lighting LED for the CJ and many other E&T's. Even the scalers might like this one. The LED is approx. 2mm (in red, green or yellow) sitting atop a 1.49mm brass stem and wired with 32 ga. wire including the proper resistor for this unit for AC/DC operation. We have formed the LED case shape to be round. After installing this unit you may want to put a dab of black paint on the back as a directional block. The price for this NEW classification light is $4.25 ea. with FREE shipping in CONUS. A photo of this new item will be at our CJ bashing page later today at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> "Bash'em if you Got'em" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72791	From: zemouse2001	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: Scenery Plots

Love the idea! And actually an excellent way for those of us who are 'layout-less' to get a little model train action underway. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > Before WWII Lionel offered pre-madescenic plots, they were complete scenes ready to drop-in. I decided to borrow the idea (again) to do a few for the new layout using Clever Models company houses, leftover masonite, paint and some painters tape.. > > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/plots/plot1.JPG > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/plots/plot2.JPG > > http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/files/photos/plots/plot3.JPG > > > My results aside, I think the concept has great potential.. > > - The plots can be made on the table or workbench, no reaching across the layout to build > > - Easy to remove for modification or dusting > > - Curbs are built in, and a thinner material (or the layout surface) can be used for the streets. > > - If you've got more structures than layout space you could swap out plots, change industries, seasons, etc. > > > > Brady Burdge > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72792	From: gdwilson001	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Planning a Ceiling Tain Layout

Rediscovering model trains after a few decades. I've recently decided to build a S-Scale ceiling train layout in my kids room. The dimensions of the room are about 12 x 10 feet (139 x 125 inches). I think I have decided to go with the American Flyer Fastrack as it seems simple and has the roadbed connected. Looks like i'll have to buy about $200 worth of track. A couple questions. 1) With the old foam roadbeds you would spike the tracks through the bed into the wood below. Do you do this with the Fastrack? (2) I will be running my fathers "The Royal Blue" from the late 40s. Will an original transformer be enough to power the train on this expanded layout? Is there a new transformer out there that would be compatible with this old Flyer I should consider (as the old one might need replaced anyways? I appreciate your advice. Greg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72793	From: zemouse2001	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: Planning a Ceiling Tain Layout

Couple of thoughts here: #1: O gauge Fastrack has somewhat of a reputation for being noisy and mounting it directly to a big sheet of plywood (aka 'sounding board') and I suspect the S gauge version might be the same. Big discussion on this on the Yahoo Fastrack group about a year ago and you might check them out. Don't remember the conclusions. #2: The Fastrack has molded in screw holes and I believe you can use a standard #4 flat head wood screw (the molded in holes have a taper already built in for a FH screw). Lionel probably has more details. #3: For power, ANY AC model train transformer (i.e. with AC output not DC output like HO and N gauge sets) will do the job - Lionel, AF, Marx, to name just a few. I would go for at least 90 to 100W capability. Ton's of them on eBay. New one's also. #4: One problem that often pop's up has to do with power distribution. In a normal starter layout, you feed the power in at one spot and the power uses the track itself to carry the power around the loop. This can lead to problems with excessive voltage drop (e.g. on the other side of the loop), intermittents, etc. Many people will run additional 'feeder' wires and feed the power in several places around the loop. Easy to do with Fastrack. Well, there is a start. Have fun. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "gdwilson001" <gdwilson001@...> wrote: > > Rediscovering model trains after a few decades. > > I've recently decided to build a S-Scale ceiling train layout in my kids room. The dimensions of the room are about 12 x 10 feet (139 x 125 inches). I think I have decided to go with the American Flyer Fastrack as it seems simple and has the roadbed connected. Looks like i'll have to buy about $200 worth of track. A couple questions. > > 1) With the old foam roadbeds you would spike the tracks through the bed into the wood below. Do you do this with the Fastrack? > > (2) I will be running my fathers "The Royal Blue" from the late 40s. Will an original transformer be enough to power the train on this expanded layout? Is there a new transformer out there that would be compatible with this old Flyer I should consider (as the old one might need replaced anyways? > > I appreciate your advice. > > Greg >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72794	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: Planning a Ceiling Tain Layout

Greg, in a previous home I had a ceiling loop in the main floor powder room. The transformer was mounted in the vanity sink behind a false drawer front that hinged down. There was also a whisting billboard under the sink with the pushbutton next to the transformer. Effectively you could sit on what is usually sat on in a lav, loo, WC, et al. And instead of reading you can play with a train! I have a very understanding wife for the last 35 years. A few years ago I had our Christmas train layout of standard gauge on her baby grand piano. As far as power for your application I'd say a 100 watt AF transformer would do with multiple power points about 4 to the track. I used plain old AF track. It worked fine. Your dad's Royal Blue would be OK with the reverse unit locked in forward but a SHS diesel would be less failure prone and with a layout that high, you want reliability. Good luck with it. I made my hangers out of 1x1s and 1/4 inch dowels and half inch ply for the track base. If I had it to do over I would have used a clear Lucite / Plexiglas. Like they do at Wegmans supermarket. Regards Bob Moyer On Aug 9, 2013 6:52 PM, "gdwilson001" <gdwilson001@...> wrote: > ** > > > Rediscovering model trains after a few decades. > > I've recently decided to build a S-Scale ceiling train layout in my kids > room. The dimensions of the room are about 12 x 10 feet (139 x 125 inches). > I think I have decided to go with the American Flyer Fastrack as it seems > simple and has the roadbed connected. Looks like i'll have to buy about > $200 worth of track. A couple questions. > > 1) With the old foam roadbeds you would spike the tracks through the bed > into the wood below. Do you do this with the Fastrack? > > (2) I will be running my fathers "The Royal Blue" from the late 40s. Will > an original transformer be enough to power the train on this expanded > layout? Is there a new transformer out there that would be compatible with > this old Flyer I should consider (as the old one might need replaced > anyways? > > I appreciate your advice. > > Greg > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72795	From: Rich	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: 4-4-0 prototypes

For those of you looking for some ideas for doing the "CJ" kitbashing that has attracted a lot of recent attention, take a look at: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=240050&nseq=36 For those familiar with the railpictures website, you can search the holdings by loco type (for example) and there are quite a few 4-4-0 pictures. This one is from the Wilmington and Western RR loco and is the best full-side-view I could find. there are about 40 of this loco in total, some with that show parts of the loco in more detail, etc. There is also the PRR 1223 - also on the railpictures site, but I didn't find any good full-side view pictures there. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72796	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Planning a Ceiling Layout: Noise

Ceiling layouts are great "usable space savers," but noise can be a problem. With trains close to the ceiling, the sound will be "bounced" from layout to wall to ceiling. Sound absorbing ceiling tiles help. I found this out helping a friend do a Lionel layout around his living room some years ago. Yes, Fastrack is noisy, but so is every other brand! However, you CAN cut down on the plywood additionally resonating the sound. You must separate the track from the plywood with something that absorbs the vibrations. Cork is okay, but there are soft plastic HO roadbeds that you can lay under your track as sound deadener. Just use two strips side by side for S and cut off the excess. Better still, I have used the flexible plastic stripping that goes between truck beds and the bed caps for this. You can buy this in rolls cheaper than the plastic roadbeds, which are basically the same stuff cut to hobby size and the price increased. Depending on the viewing angle, any roadbed or underlayment of the track will probably not be seen. Finally, do not attach the track with nails or screws! All this does is defeat the underlay by connecting the track right to the wood! Glue the underlay to the wood and the track to the underlay with flexible silicone adhesive. No matter what you do, you'll never really kill all the noise. Old toy trains are mechanically noisy, metal wheels on metal rails are noisy, and the larger the layout, the more noise all that track makes. When you attach the layout wood to walls or a concrete floor, the resonation is passed on to your structure as well. On the other hand, real trains are noisy, so why are we trying to take that away, then add sound effects such as chugging and whistles to make noise? I was told a LONG time ago that the reason HO sectional track was made in 9" segments instead of what would seem to be the more logical length of 10 or 12 inches was because it made the appropriate sound of wheels going over rail joints on real railroads in the days before continuous rail. I have no idea if that is true. How nice trains look may be in "the eye of the beholder," but the sound level is "in the ear of the listener." Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72797	From: gdwilson001	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Re: Planning a Ceiling Layout: Noise

Thanks for the advice. Now I am concerned about using fastrack. Are you talking about the one-sided adhesive foam weather stripping people put on their truck beds? Would this weather stripping also work under Gargraves or the classic/original track? Will it bend around curves? Thanks again Greg --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Ceiling layouts are great "usable space savers," but noise can be a problem. With trains close to the ceiling, the sound will be "bounced" from layout to wall to ceiling. Sound absorbing ceiling tiles help. I found this out helping a friend do a Lionel layout around his living room some years ago. > > Yes, Fastrack is noisy, but so is every other brand! However, you CAN cut down on the plywood additionally resonating the sound. You must separate the track from the plywood with something that absorbs the vibrations. Cork is okay, but there are soft plastic HO roadbeds that you can lay under your track as sound deadener. Just use two strips side by side for S and cut off the excess. > > Better still, I have used the flexible plastic stripping that goes between truck beds and the bed caps for this. You can buy this in rolls cheaper than the plastic roadbeds, which are basically the same stuff cut to hobby size and the price increased. Depending on the viewing angle, any roadbed or underlayment of the track will probably not be seen. > > Finally, do not attach the track with nails or screws! All this does is defeat the underlay by connecting the track right to the wood! Glue the underlay to the wood and the track to the underlay with flexible silicone adhesive. > > No matter what you do, you'll never really kill all the noise. Old toy trains are mechanically noisy, metal wheels on metal rails are noisy, and the larger the layout, the more noise all that track makes. When you attach the layout wood to walls or a concrete floor, the resonation is passed on to your structure as well. > > On the other hand, real trains are noisy, so why are we trying to take that away, then add sound effects such as chugging and whistles to make noise? I was told a LONG time ago that the reason HO sectional track was made in 9" segments instead of what would seem to be the more logical length of 10 or 12 inches was because it made the appropriate sound of wheels going over rail joints on real railroads in the days before continuous rail. I have no idea if that is true. > > How nice trains look may be in "the eye of the beholder," but the sound level is "in the ear of the listener." > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72798	From: David	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: NEW 2mm LED's Mounted On E&T's - Photos

This is for Neil in Oregon that requested photos of our NEW 2mm Marker Lights that have been mounted on an E&T. We have posted new photos of these LED's at one of our albums here at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1359697461/pic/list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1359697461/pic/list\ > You can see the stem mounts in the photo of the CJ boiler. These stem mounts allow you to extend the LED's in or out as you desire for many different E&T's "Bash-em if you Got'em" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72799	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Re: Planning a Ceiling Tain Layout

I agree with the previous posts, with the following addition. I built an around the walls ceiling layout in my train room for my Marx tin. The difference here is I used the commercial white wire mesh closet shelving you can get from home improvement stores. I turned the shelving upside down so the flange pointed up rather than down. I put homasote board in the shelving and mounted 027 track to it. Even with the homasote board, it is still noisy. But then again, they are tin trains, noisy by nature. I like the idea of plexiglas for vision, but that would not dampen sound any. I too had an HO layout in a half bath in a previous house. I mounted mirrors at an angle behind the shelves so you could see the trains running from the floor and other places. In my experience, none of the new fastrack or S traks products dampen sound. I use them both on my various portable layouts. For those, I mount them on sound deadening boards. That helps greatly. The only sound deadening roadbed is the old Gilbert rubber or reproduction Rick's. The trade-off is this, the newer track conducts electricity better and I need only one track connection. The older track in the rubber roadbed is old and oxidated and it is impossible to clean inside the hollow track to improve that, so you need several track connections. You get to choose your preference. As to power, I would also suggest the newer power as not only more reliable but also nicer looking. If the Royal Blue has nostalgic value for you, I would suggest one of the new replacement can motors from SNS and available through retail outlets like Portlines Hobbies. They will even install for you. No matter what you do, you are in for lots of fun. Enjoy it. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...> wrote: > > Greg, in a previous home I had a ceiling loop in the main floor powder > room. The transformer was mounted in the vanity sink behind a false drawer > front that hinged down. There was also a whisting billboard under the sink > with the pushbutton next to the transformer. Effectively you could sit on > what is usually sat on in a lav, loo, WC, et al. And instead of reading you > can play with a train! I have a very understanding wife for the last 35 > years. A few years ago I had our Christmas train layout of standard gauge > on her baby grand piano. As far as power for your application I'd say a 100 > watt AF transformer would do with multiple power points about 4 to the > track. I used plain old AF track. It worked fine. Your dad's Royal Blue > would be OK with the reverse unit locked in forward but a SHS diesel would > be less failure prone and with a layout that high, you want reliability. > Good luck with it. I made my hangers out of 1x1s and 1/4 inch dowels and > half inch ply for the track base. If I had it to do over I would have used > a clear Lucite / Plexiglas. Like they do at Wegmans supermarket. > > Regards > > Bob Moyer > On Aug 9, 2013 6:52 PM, "gdwilson001" <gdwilson001@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Rediscovering model trains after a few decades. > > > > I've recently decided to build a S-Scale ceiling train layout in my kids > > room. The dimensions of the room are about 12 x 10 feet (139 x 125 inches). > > I think I have decided to go with the American Flyer Fastrack as it seems > > simple and has the roadbed connected. Looks like i'll have to buy about > > $200 worth of track. A couple questions. > > > > 1) With the old foam roadbeds you would spike the tracks through the bed > > into the wood below. Do you do this with the Fastrack? > > > > (2) I will be running my fathers "The Royal Blue" from the late 40s. Will > > an original transformer be enough to power the train on this expanded > > layout? Is there a new transformer out there that would be compatible with > > this old Flyer I should consider (as the old one might need replaced > > anyways? > > > > I appreciate your advice. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72800	From: Paul	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Re: Planning a Ceiling Tain Layout

as to improving connectivity in older hollow rail track, I keep a spray can of contact cleaner (Radio Shack or even at the Lowes/Home Depot type stores.) as I assemble the track I shoot into the end of the rail and shoot the pins. then I connect the track pieces, pull them apart, wipe down the pins with a paper towel, and shoot into the rail again. if a connection needs a bit of tightening I squeeze below the hollow rail gently with needle nose. I did this a while back and used a green kitchen scour cloth on the top of the rails. it was a mix of nasty old track and I just wanted a loop for a couple of hours. I ran a 12 foot by 25 foot loop all afternoon with a 15B transformer and just one 690 clip. no slow spots, nice even speed all around the oval. I was prepared to add a few more 690s but they were not needed. once the old black goo is gone and the pins fit snug, you're in business. for something more permanent I would have added feeders or soldered the joints. running short trains, I played cat 'n mouse with a Big Boy and a Challenger much to the delight of all ages at a church social. paul in Dayton, Oh On 8/10/2013 8:05 AM, rapidrail1 wrote: > > I agree with the previous posts, with the following addition. I built > an around the walls ceiling layout in my train room for my Marx tin. > The difference here is I used the commercial white wire mesh closet > shelving you can get from home improvement stores. I turned the > shelving upside down so the flange pointed up rather than down. I put > homasote board in the shelving and mounted 027 track to it. Even with > the homasote board, it is still noisy. But then again, they are tin > trains, noisy by nature. > > I like the idea of plexiglas for vision, but that would not dampen > sound any. I too had an HO layout in a half bath in a previous house. > I mounted mirrors at an angle behind the shelves so you could see the > trains running from the floor and other places. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72801	From: ALAN UDY	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Ceiling Layout

My ceiling Layout uses American Models track glued to foam underlayment (from the flooring shop) with latex caulking. Who is going to see the molded-in roadbed anyway? I spaced feeders about every six feet. Sent from my Kindle Fire ____________________________________________________________ One Weird Trick Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5206aff43b63e2ff25087st03duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72802	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/11/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 11, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72803	From: Brady	Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Re: Scenery Plots

Here's the other side of the street.. http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines//files/photos/plots/plot4.JPG A close-up of the Bumpus house.. http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines//files/photos/plots/plot5.JPG Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72804	From: David	Date: 8/11/2013
Subject: #1365 B&O Finished CJ Bash Photos (Advertisement)

We have added 7 photos of our latest CJ bashing project in our album here at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/859983647/pic/list> This E&T has it all except a sound board or DCC. It can also be seen at our Ebay location at http://www.ebay.com/itm/290959473179?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p\ 3984.m1558.l2649 <http://www.ebay.com/itm/290959473179?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=\ p3984.m1558.l2649> with a better understanding of what it actually has. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72805	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/11/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/11/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 11, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72806	From: Robert Conner	Date: 8/12/2013
Subject: Auction houses

I know I asked this before, but I am looking to dispose of 40 - 50 sets (Most Boxed) (No List Yet) along with a few dozen cars, locos, Pre Production pieces, etc. I would like to find a good Auction House or ideas on how to do this. Looking to list by October. Can deliver to York or can be picked up in Florida (Preffered) Thanks     Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72807	From: Stephen	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: 697 track trips

Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. Stephen Allie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72808	From: David	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: NEW pressure domes for CJ

We are having new round top pressure domes made for the CJ's. Simply cut off the existing domes at the collar and insert the stud of the new domes and glue in place. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72809	From: Rich	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips

Stephen -- In my limited experience, the track trips are not always reliable, especially when used with roadbed. Have you considered electronic "trips"? You might take a look at what Norbert Doerry has done: http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm There are other sites out there with circuit diagrams for using either visible or IR LED-based systems. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <allies@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. > > Stephen Allie >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72810	From: Dr Trains	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips

I have three that I would be willing to sell, they appear to be in excellent condition, although a bit dusty..... Your Offer???? + shipping Peter Loeb ________________________________ From: Stephen <allies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 697 track trips   Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. Stephen Allie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72811	From: Stephen	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips

I have used electronic trips before that I fasioned from reed swittches wrapped with magnetic wire to create a spst relay. They did work fine but I am putting together a retro layout and I was trying to keep with as many original components as possible..I may be too much of a purist. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" <richs009@...> wrote: > > Stephen -- In my limited experience, the track trips are not always reliable, especially when used with roadbed. Have you considered electronic "trips"? You might take a look at what Norbert Doerry has done: > > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm > > There are other sites out there with circuit diagrams for using either visible or IR LED-based systems. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <allies@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. > > > > Stephen Allie > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72812	From: Stephen	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips

I have used electronic trips before but I am working on a retro layout and I wanted to use only authentic equipment. Sometimes I am too much of a purist. Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" <richs009@...> wrote: > > Stephen -- In my limited experience, the track trips are not always reliable, especially when used with roadbed. Have you considered electronic "trips"? You might take a look at what Norbert Doerry has done: > > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm > > There are other sites out there with circuit diagrams for using either visible or IR LED-based systems. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <allies@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. > > > > Stephen Allie > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72813	From: Stephen	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips

I know they are not that common but I am not sure of their current market value Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dr Trains <dtrains@...> wrote: > > I have three that I would be willing to sell, they appear to be in excellent condition, although a bit dusty..... > > Your Offer???? + shipping > > Peter Loeb > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stephen <allies@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:32 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 697 track trips > > > >   > Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. > > Stephen Allie > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72814	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: 54" wide radius track?

I have a customer looking for a circle (12 pieces) of this tack. Anyone have any available? Please contact me off-list. Thanks. Doug Peck Port Lines

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72815	From: Dr Trains	Date: 8/13/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips

Ok...average on ebay about $10-15 ea........some less, some more.....did you check on ebay???? I would like $10.00 ea=m $30.00 =$5.00 to package and ship.....let me know ________________________________ From: Stephen <us14thld@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 3:24 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 697 track trips   I know they are not that common but I am not sure of their current market value Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dr Trains <dtrains@...> wrote: > > I have three that I would be willing to sell, they appear to be in excellent condition, although a bit dusty..... > > Your Offer???? + shipping > > Peter Loeb > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stephen <allies@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:32 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 697 track trips > > > >   > Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. > > Stephen Allie > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72816	From: Stephen	Date: 8/14/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips

Thanks that would be great. Just send me your address and I will get a check out asap Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dr Trains <dtrains@...> wrote: > > Ok...average on ebay about $10-15 ea........some less, some more.....did you check on ebay???? > > I would like $10.00 ea=m $30.00 =$5.00 to package and ship.....let me know > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stephen <us14thld@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 3:24 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 697 track trips > > > >   > I know they are not that common but I am not sure of their current market value > > Steve > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dr Trains <dtrains@> wrote: > > > > I have three that I would be willing to sell, they appear to be in excellent condition, although a bit dusty..... > > > > Your Offer???? + shipping > > > > Peter Loeb > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Stephen <allies@> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:32 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] 697 track trips > > > > > > > >   > > Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. > > > > Stephen Allie > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72817	From: David	Date: 8/14/2013
Subject: GREEN LED MARKER SET for AF #322 Boiler Face (Advertisement)

We were contacted by John McLeod of Rancho Cordova, CA about maybe furnishing a set of GREEN MARKERS for the AF #322 boiler front that resembles the ones on the real Hudson engines. Well we have been working on this project for John for about a month now and it looks like we may have something for him in the next week or so. Do to a newer and much smaller LED we have acquired, it looks like we may also be able to attach one of these new LED's to the back of the head light lens. If any of you out there in the AF land would want to buy a set of these L.E.D.'s just let us and the rest of the group know and we will see about putting these sets on our web site. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72818	From: Dr Trains	Date: 8/14/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips

Dr. K. Loeb 2514 Bright St. Nampa, ID 83687 208-965-8032 ________________________________ From: Stephen <us14thld@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 697 track trips   Thanks that would be great. Just send me your address and I will get a check out asap Steve --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dr Trains <dtrains@...> wrote: > > Ok...average on ebay about $10-15 ea........some less, some more.....did you check on ebay???? > > I would like $10.00 ea=m $30.00 =$5.00 to package and ship.....let me know > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stephen <us14thld@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 3:24 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 697 track trips > > > >   > I know they are not that common but I am not sure of their current market value > > Steve > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dr Trains <dtrains@> wrote: > > > > I have three that I would be willing to sell, they appear to be in excellent condition, although a bit dusty..... > > > > Your Offer???? + shipping > > > > Peter Loeb > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Stephen <allies@> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:32 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] 697 track trips > > > > > > > >   > > Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. > > > > Stephen Allie > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72819	From: David	Date: 8/14/2013
Subject: AF L.E.D. lens (Advertisement)

We can now furnish you with lens for your AF Hudson and Pacific engines that we have installed L.E.D.'s in. A Great way to dress up your engines with a realistic head light. Simply remove your old lens and install our replacement lens and hook up the 2 wires in the back to your AC or DC power source in the engine and off you go. No more light bleeding out of your engine around the boiler face or down on the tracks from underneath. These new lenses will be at our web site by Fri. 08-16-2013 at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> Price is $5.75 ea. with FREE SHIPPING in CONUS. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72820	From: alan smith	Date: 8/14/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

On Aug 8, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > The original chimneys and some of the reproduction chimneys were > plastic. > Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 > District School > > > > I once saw a chimney on a school house at a train show that was > plastic but the seller did not know if it was original. If you find > out let us know the results as I need one for my school house also. > > ________________________________ > From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> > To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:07 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 > District School > > > Hello Doug, > > What was the original chimney on the #50 District School made of? I > don't think I have ever handled one that still had it attached. > > The one picture I found of a #50 that had a chimney (original??) on > it looked for all the world like the red wooden chimney that came > with my old set of American (not Lincoln!) Logs. > > Cheers! > > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Peck > To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:37 AM > Subject: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School > > There are no GOOD repros available, and never have been, to my > knowledge. > As for an original.....the best of luck to you !! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines > > --- In AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" > <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > > Hello, group. > > Does anyone know where I can get my hands on either an original or > a reproduction of the red chimney that sits on top of the #50 > District School? Any help in that regard would be most appreciate. > > Thank you. > > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > > TCA Member > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72821	From: spgripside	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: Question about 1947 AF 342 NPR SIT Switcher

I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE IS A RARE 1947 A.C. GILBERT AMERICAN FLYER S GAUGE 0-8-0 DC SWITCHER 342. IT IS A NICKEL PLATE ROAD DIECAST METAL LOCOMOTIVE STEAM ENGINE AND COAL TENDER, WTH SMOKE GENERATOR IN THE TENDER. Research says: This model made in 1947, had "American Flyer Lines" but no box around the Nickel Plate Road herald. Its smoke unit is in the tender. Since there's no box around the Nickel Plate Road herald, i believe it was made between 1946 and 1948. "American Flyer Lines" on the tender says it's 1947 or 1948. Smoke in tender says it's 1946 or 1947. And both boiler handrails terminate short of the cab. I currently have this item up for online action, and many people have commented on how rare this engine is. Is this a very rare 1947 DC 342?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72822	From: bigswede073	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: FS: SHS 2-8-0 loco

My friends in 1:64 scale modeling,<br /><br />My interest in larger Class I railroading is in a steep decline, in favor of small industrial operations and critters. Still working in 1:64, but 1:24n16 is becoming my major interest.<br /><br />Therefore, my SHS 2-8-0 no longer has a place in my future plans. Time to simplify!<br /><br />This is a model number 01771 - unlettered with code 110 wheels and DCC sound. She has been sitting on my mantel since arrival and has never had an electron applied. I'm asking $850.00 and I'll pay shipping in the US (international interest - contact me about shipping). She will be shipped in original SHS box with SHS clear plastic clamshell - packed in another box and insured.<br />If you're interested contact me at dmunseyjr@ comcast.net<br /><br />Have a great day!<br /><br />fmg: aka Don Munsey, Jr. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72823	From: David	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: AF 0-8-0 LED Head Light Lens

To Robert in Dallas. Yes, we have just listed an LED lens for the AF 0-8-0's at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> and the price is $6.75 ea. w/free shipping in CONUS. We are working on a reverse light LED lens for the 0-8-0's w/instructions for wiring it to make it an operating directional reverse light. Should be ready very soon, so keep checking back to our site for that up date. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72824	From: John	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips

Steve: You may know this, but the 696 "works" by being depressed by AF wheel flanges as they pass over it. Many Atlantics don't have the soft coil springs on their pilot trucks, and the 696 creates instant derailment on these engines. You can retrofit these pilots by buying the pilot springs and threading them on. AC Gilbert tried to save a buck on these "low end" Atlantics but in so doing made them incompatible with their accessories that worked off a 696. As a kid in the `50's , I never licked this problem. Today with Internet parts suppliers, it's easy to work around. Good luck. John Davis Noblesville IN > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Stephen <allies@> > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:32 AM > > > Subject: [S-Trains] 697 track trips > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. > > > > > > Stephen Allie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72825	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: Re: 697 track trips

John,      We have a 2oz. solid steel pilot truck that solves this problem LBR ________________________________ From: John <wyoaf@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 697 track trips   Steve: You may know this, but the 696 "works" by being depressed by AF wheel flanges as they pass over it. Many Atlantics don't have the soft coil springs on their pilot trucks, and the 696 creates instant derailment on these engines. You can retrofit these pilots by buying the pilot springs and threading them on. AC Gilbert tried to save a buck on these "low end" Atlantics but in so doing made them incompatible with their accessories that worked off a 696. As a kid in the `50's , I never licked this problem. Today with Internet parts suppliers, it's easy to work around. Good luck. John Davis Noblesville IN > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Stephen <allies@> > > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:32 AM > > > Subject: [S-Trains] 697 track trips > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > Does anyone have any 697 track trips they would be willing to part with (sell) I am looking for quite a few for a large layout I am working on. > > > > > > Stephen Allie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72826	From: David	Date: 8/15/2013
Subject: AF HUDSON Boiler Face LED 3 Piece Kit Is Here (Advertisement)

As we promised John and a lot of other "S" rail roaders the #32x series pre-1966 boiler face LED kit is finally here. Please have a look at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> The kit includes one (1) L.E.D. lens and two (2) Green L.E.D. marker lights on the top edge of the boiler face. These lights change the entire rail roading experience for these pre-1966 AF cast metal beauties. "A truly great kit a long time needed and finally here". LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72827	From: alan smith	Date: 8/16/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Tom, Thanks -- These will be is plastic - IF I can make them. The only data I'm missing is the thickness frt. to back - My guess would be . 625". But, that is a total guess ! They may have a shallow divot in the center to simulate the hole in the chimney. We have a meeting tomorrow of the MVSG group. I hope one of the guys has a good or complete school in their treasures. Cheers, Alan / Clydel41/ Doc Smith/ Smitostuff/ Smitty ----- I answer to almost anything. On Aug 14, 2013, at 7:11 PM, alan smith wrote: > > On Aug 8, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > > > The original chimneys and some of the reproduction chimneys were > > plastic. > > Tom Seccia > > > > ________________________________ > > From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> > > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 > > District School > > > > > > > > I once saw a chimney on a school house at a train show that was > > plastic but the seller did not know if it was original. If you find > > out let us know the results as I need one for my school house also. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> > > To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com > > Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:07 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 > > District School > > > > > > Hello Doug, > > > > What was the original chimney on the #50 District School made of? I > > don't think I have ever handled one that still had it attached. > > > > The one picture I found of a #50 that had a chimney (original??) on > > it looked for all the world like the red wooden chimney that came > > with my old set of American (not Lincoln!) Logs. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Alan Bennett > > Keizer, OR > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Doug Peck > > To: AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 10:37 AM > > Subject: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School > > > > There are no GOOD repros available, and never have been, to my > > knowledge. > > As for an original.....the best of luck to you !! > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines > > > > --- In AFPARTSANDPIECES@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce DeGailler Sr" > > <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, group. > > > Does anyone know where I can get my hands on either an original or > > a reproduction of the red chimney that sits on top of the #50 > > District School? Any help in that regard would be most appreciate. > > > Thank you. > > > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > > > TCA Member > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72828	From: myflyertrains	Date: 8/16/2013
Subject: Stumpy

Hello Everyone, Anybody have any news regarding how Stumpy is doing? Chuck Harrington MyFlyerTrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72829	From: David	Date: 8/16/2013
Subject: AF #32x series boiler face LED kit installation (Advertisement)

This is for Roy in Michigan and all of the other hobbyists that have contacted us about installing our new boiler face L.E.D. kit in their boiler faces. The answer is YES. We will install our kit in your boiler face. We have stated this at our web site under the photo of the three (3) piece kit at http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1376652274871 <http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1376652274871> We will repaint (black only) the face and install the kit, test it to be sure it works and ship it back via USPS for $25.00 (7 - 14 working days from time of arrival at our shop). Thank you to the hundreds of you that have shown an interest in this new offering. This NEW KIT is beginning to be the standard for dressing up the old AF "S" HUDSONS. Along with our RED MARKER lights for the tender and perhaps an operating reverse light (flush or top mount) brings the realism you have been waiting for. "A NEW LIFE FOR THE OLD HUDSONS - A NEW RAILROADING EXPERIENCE FOR OPERATORS" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72830	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/16/2013
Subject: For Sale: S Scale engines and cars NIB

During the first week of September, I will be receiving the first shipment of a collection that I will be handling this fall. If you are interested in any of the following, let me know by August 29 and I will make sure they are included in that first shipment. I am told that most, if not all, are in mint condition in the original box, but I want to verify that for myself before I advertise them as such. Values shown assume mint condition. Manufacturer Model Short Description value Lionel Flyer 4-9000 B&O Flat Car with Vans $40.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9004 Southern Railway Flatcar w/Vans $40.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9005 New York Central Flatcar & Vans $30.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9101 Union Oil Tank Car $35.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9106 New York Central 3 Dome Tank Car $26.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9209 New York Central Hopper $29.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9300 Burlington Northern Gondola $20.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9304 New York Central Gondola w/cannisters $20.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9400 Chessie System Caboose $28.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9404 NewYorkCentral BayWindow Caboose $34.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9504 Erie Combo Car $50.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9505 Erie Pullman Car-Chasis only $15.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9506 Erie Vista Dome Car $70.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9507 Erie Observation Car $50.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9702 B&O Boxcar $40.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9709 B&O Boxcar $30.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9711 Southern Pacific Boxcar $30.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9712 Illinois Central Gulf Boxcar $34.00 Lionel Flyer 4-9713 New York Central Box Car $35.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48056 NY Central Dockside Switcher $85.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48119 Union Pacific PB 1 $130.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48203 New York central Reefer $60.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48203 New York central Reefer $60.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48205 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer $52.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48205 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer #1697 $52.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48211 Magnolia Tank Car $58.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48211 Magnolia Tank Car $58.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48211 Magnolia Tank Car $58.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48211 Magnolia Tank Car $58.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48212 S & P Tank Car $70.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48214 Great Northern RR Caboose $37.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48214 Great Northern RR Caboose $37.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48217 Southern Pacific Gondola $100.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48218 Southern Pacific Crane $100.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48235 USDA Forest Service Tank Car $115.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48272 Flatcar w/BeechCraft Airplane $86.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48272 Flatcar w/BeechCraft Airplane $86.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48306 Seaboard Coast Line Boxcar $33.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48406 Celanese Chemicals Tank Car $45.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48436 48476 NY Central Reefer $70.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48475 Boraxo Covered Hopper $70.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48478 Burlington Route Box Car $85.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48478 Burlington Route Box Car $85.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48479 NKP Nickel Plate Road Flatcar $35.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48480 Susquehanna Susie Q BoxCar $85.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48481 Railway Express Reefer $67.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48482 Great Northern Box Car $85.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48483 AF Boy's Rail Road Club BoxCar $60.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48484 American Flyer "Crossing Gate" BoxCar $60.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48485 Northern Pacific Box Car $70.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48485 Northern Pacific Box Car $70.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48486 NY New Haven & Hartford Box Car $51.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48486 NY New Haven & Hartford Box Car $51.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48486 NY New Haven & Hartford Box Car $51.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48490 Western Pacific Box Car $70.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48491 Burlington Northern Flatcar & Vans $85.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48492 Northern Pacific Box Car $74.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48494 Lehigh Valley Covered Hopper $54.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48494 Lehigh Valley Covered Hopper $54.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48494 Lehigh Valley Covered Hopper $54.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48505 Illinois Central Flatcar w/BulkHeads $35.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48513 CSX Flatcar w/Generator $25.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48701 Illinois Central Caboose $35.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48701 Illinois Central Caboose $35.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48907 Union Pacific Observation Car $47.00 Lionel Flyer 6-48908 Union Pacific Passenger Car $90.00 Lionel Flyer 6-49016 Santa Fe Walking Breakman $63.00 Lionel Flyer 6-52094 Ann Arbor RR System Hopper $50.00 Lionel Flyer 6-52095 MobilGas Tank Car $81.00 Lionel Flyer 6-52095 MobilGas Tank Car $81.00 American Models 4599 Chevron Tank car $90.00 American Models 4599 Chevron Tank car $90.00 American Models 4599 Chevron Tank car $90.00 American Models 9832 NY Central FA-2 $250.00 American Models FP7005 FP7006 Pennsy FP-7 $250.00 K LINE K511-001 Ford Boxcar $20.00 K LINE K511-015 Texaco Fire Chief Tank Car $20.00 K LINE K511-022 C&O Flat Car $20.00 K LINE K511-038 Heinz Ketchup Boxcar $20.00 K LINE K511-039 NYPD Box Car $20.00 K LINE K511-040 FDNY Box Car $20.00 Mainstreeter Trains none 42' Smooth Side Gondola New Haven $??? Mainstreeter Trains none 42' Smooth Side Gondola New Haven $??? R.S.S.V.P. Models none Jack Frost Sugar 10,000 Gal Tank Car $50.00 S Helper Service 00088 Conrail Hopper $50.00 S Helper Service 00285 PS-2 M&StL Hopper $50.00 S Helper Service 00418 PS-2 3 bay M&StL Hopper $50.00   I am not familiar with Mainstreeter Trains. If anyone can help me out and tell me reasonable values for these two cars, I'd appreciate it. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72831	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy

Chuck and others.... Other than the message some of us received the other day from Stumpy's wife Cindy, I have heard nothing. Stumpy was to have surgery yesterday for several severe blockages in his heart. Stumpy had told me recently that he was hoping to get the surgery soon as he realized that he was having difficulty. He also told me that he was looking forward to the future as he had some "big plans". Both Stumpy and Cindy have had a difficult time health wise in recent years so we wish them well. I for one am looking forward to seeing his comments and writings. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72832	From: gdwilson001	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Camper tape?

I just read Bob Kingsnorth's article on "Quit Roadbed, Better Train Sounds" in a 2009 special issue of Model Railroader. Nice article. He used a combination of cork and camper tape under his track--all of which are caulked together (not nailed). He has an HO layout and mentions concerns that an S Scale might compress the tape causing problems. Has anyone attempted this roadbed system with an S Scale? If so how did it work?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72833	From: Jerry	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy

Group, Here's a message I got from Cindy concerning Stumpy on the 15th around 9:30 PM. I hope the Stumpster doesn't mind. We're all pulling for him! Well Stumpy finally got out of surgery at 8:30pm and I just got home. He didn't have a triple bypass like they all thought he was going to, he had 5 blockages but he is doing fine and they said he would be waking up later on this evening and they would have him sitting up on the side of the bed by tomorrow morning. He is in intensive care right now and in 24 hours they will move him out onto the floor then home about Monday. Thank you for all the prayers and well wishes. Cindy That's the latest thing I've got. I understand perfectly that Cindy has her hands full at this time and cannot keep us all up to date. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "myflyertrains" wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Anybody have any news regarding how Stumpy is doing? > > Chuck Harrington > MyFlyerTrains.org > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72834	From: Paul	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy

Jerry, thanks for passing along what you have. the "no news is good news" only goes so far, having a confirmation relieves a lot of concern. I believe you are correct about Stumpy not minding, he would want to know if it were another. we need to say a few prayers for Cindy too, she's going to have her hands full for a couple of weeks and will need her rest. wonder if he has realized yet that he will catch good natured hell for being kit-bashed himself now? paul rinehart On 8/17/2013 5:42 PM, Jerry wrote: > > Group, > > Here's a message I got from Cindy concerning Stumpy on the 15th around > 9:30 PM. I hope the Stumpster doesn't mind. We're all pulling for him! > > Well Stumpy finally got out of surgery at 8:30pm and I just got home. He > didn't have a triple bypass like they all thought he was going to, he > had 5 blockages but he is doing fine and they said he would be waking up > later on this evening and they would have him sitting up on the side of > the bed by tomorrow morning. He is in intensive care right now and in 24 > hours they will move him out onto the floor then home about Monday. > Thank you for all the prayers and well wishes. Cindy > > That's the latest thing I've got. I understand perfectly that Cindy has > her hands full at this time and cannot keep us all up to date. > > Jerry > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "myflyertrains" wrote: > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > Anybody have any news regarding how Stumpy is doing? > > > > Chuck Harrington > > MyFlyerTrains.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72835	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/18/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72836	From: Jerry	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy

Paul, From what I gather of heart "procedures", they use parts from one part of your body to fix other areas. SO I guess "kit bashed" is a great description! Stumpy would approve. We're pulling for his lovely wife, Cindy, too. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Paul <dilly@...> wrote: > > Jerry, > thanks for passing along what you have. the "no news is good news" only > goes so far, > having a confirmation relieves a lot of concern. I believe you are > correct about Stumpy > not minding, he would want to know if it were another. we need to say a > few prayers > for Cindy too, she's going to have her hands full for a couple of weeks > and will need > her rest. wonder if he has realized yet that he will catch good natured > hell for being > kit-bashed himself now? > paul rinehart > On 8/17/2013 5:42 PM, Jerry wrote: > > > > Group, > > > > Here's a message I got from Cindy concerning Stumpy on the 15th around > > 9:30 PM. I hope the Stumpster doesn't mind. We're all pulling for him! > > > > Well Stumpy finally got out of surgery at 8:30pm and I just got home. He > > didn't have a triple bypass like they all thought he was going to, he > > had 5 blockages but he is doing fine and they said he would be waking up > > later on this evening and they would have him sitting up on the side of > > the bed by tomorrow morning. He is in intensive care right now and in 24 > > hours they will move him out onto the floor then home about Monday. > > Thank you for all the prayers and well wishes. Cindy > > > > That's the latest thing I've got. I understand perfectly that Cindy has > > her hands full at this time and cannot keep us all up to date. > > > > Jerry > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "myflyertrains" wrote: > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > Anybody have any news regarding how Stumpy is doing? > > > > > > Chuck Harrington > > > MyFlyerTrains.org > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72837	From: Bill Lane	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: SHS Rail (Code 139) turnouts for sale

I have 5 #8 Custom Traxx turnouts for sale. In case the photo does not go through they are 2 lefts & 3 rights. They are SHS rail (Code 139). All are brand new They all have a handmade throw mechanism and are on ¼” thick cork roadbed. Make an offer directly to bill@... I want to get them outta here! I will eventually have 4 more turnouts, hopefully before the years is over. I am replacing 2) #8 crossovers with #10. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! See my layout progress at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72838	From: Paul	Date: 8/17/2013
Subject: Re: Stumpy

Jerry, my thoughts exactly when I wrote it. often a vein is stripped out of the leg and used to graft above and below the blockage to make a new "main line." re-purposing is a good thing after all. I was happy to see that Cindy felt comfortable enough about Stumpy's condition to go home and kick her shoes off. THAT alone says a lot. been through the waiting 2X with my father, once each with my father in law and my little wife, it takes a toll on loved ones. if not already today, by Sunday he will have a bossy nurse telling him to get up and walk the hallways. paul On 8/17/2013 9:08 PM, Jerry wrote: > > Paul, > > >From what I gather of heart "procedures", they use parts from one > part of your body to fix other areas. SO I guess "kit bashed" is a > great description! Stumpy would approve. > > We're pulling for his lovely wife, Cindy, too. > > Jerry > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Paul <dilly@...> wrote: > > > > Jerry, > > thanks for passing along what you have. the "no news is good news" only > > goes so far, > > having a confirmation relieves a lot of concern. I believe you are > > correct about Stumpy > > not minding, he would want to know if it were another. we need to say a > > few prayers > > for Cindy too, she's going to have her hands full for a couple of weeks > > and will need > > her rest. wonder if he has realized yet that he will catch good natured > > hell for being > > kit-bashed himself now? > > paul rinehart > > On 8/17/2013 5:42 PM, Jerry wrote: > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > Here's a message I got from Cindy concerning Stumpy on the 15th around > > > 9:30 PM. I hope the Stumpster doesn't mind. We're all pulling for him! > > > > > > Well Stumpy finally got out of surgery at 8:30pm and I just got > home. He > > > didn't have a triple bypass like they all thought he was going to, he > > > had 5 blockages but he is doing fine and they said he would be > waking up > > > later on this evening and they would have him sitting up on the > side of > > > the bed by tomorrow morning. He is in intensive care right now and > in 24 > > > hours they will move him out onto the floor then home about Monday. > > > Thank you for all the prayers and well wishes. Cindy > > > > > > That's the latest thing I've got. I understand perfectly that > Cindy has > > > her hands full at this time and cannot keep us all up to date. > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "myflyertrains" wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > > > Anybody have any news regarding how Stumpy is doing? > > > > > > > > Chuck Harrington > > > > MyFlyerTrains.org > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72839	From: alan smith	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

# 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, it's up hill both directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it wrong . Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to smitostuff@... The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. Thanks in advance. A. Smith Hamilton, Oh. On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > first. > > Bill Drake > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > shield on the roof while at it) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72840	From: af4mark	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: what does original Rio Grande F-9 nose sticker look like?

I'm trying to find a photo of the front end of an Gilbert L-2004 Rio Grande F9 that includes the correct, original nose sticker. All of my reference books only show the locomotive from the side and the repro stickers I've seen differ in appearance. Thank you for your help. Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72841	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/18/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 18, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72842	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Update: Mainstreeter Trains Gondolas for Sale

One has the coil load and the other has the scrap metal load made by Mainstreeter Trains. Both cars are in the original box and bear the price $32.75. Pictures available on request. Make offer. For those not familiar with Mainstreeter Trains (as I was a few days ago!), these are brand new Gilbert knuckle-coupler cars purchased in bulk and professionally repainted and relettered with custom loads installed. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72843	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Re: Update: Mainstreeter Trains Gondolas for Sale

Bob, please send photos of cars :) Roy Inman From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:16:19 -0700 (PDT) To: Sgauge Available <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com>, S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Update: Mainstreeter Trains Gondolas for Sale One has the coil load and the other has the scrap metal load made by Mainstreeter Trains. Both cars are in the original box and bear the price $32.75. Pictures available on request. Make offer. For those not familiar with Mainstreeter Trains (as I was a few days ago!), these are brand new Gilbert knuckle-coupler cars purchased in bulk and professionally repainted and relettered with custom loads installed. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72844	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Cemetery Photos Posted

Hi All, I've attached a few photos of the cemetery under construction on my layout. There are just a few more details to add. You can start viewing the photos here: http://tinyurl.com/BG1-cemetery Have fun! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72845	From: wjjim2001	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Info request

Guys and Gals, Getting ready to build a new "S" layout, quickly exhausting track choices. Does anyone have recent experience with the "redesigned" GarGraves "S" switches, good or bad???? Appreciate any help. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72846	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Drive In Photos Posted

Hi All, I've attached a few photos of the drive-n under construction on my layout. There are a lot of additional details to add. You can start viewing the photos here: http://tinyurl.com/BG1-drive-in Have fun! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72847	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/18/2013
Subject: Re: what does original Rio Grande F-9 nose sticker look like?

Mark, I have posted a close-up picture of the sticker on my L-2004 Rio Grande F9. It is in my "acgilbertguy" photo album. I have every reason to believe it is original. Hope this is of help. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "af4mark" <lember2004@...> wrote: > > I'm trying to find a photo of the front end of an Gilbert L-2004 Rio Grande F9 that includes the correct, original nose sticker. All of my reference books only show the locomotive from the side and the repro stickers I've seen differ in appearance. Thank you for your help. Mark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72848	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the chimney. He also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alansmith@... writes: # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, it's up hill both directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it wrong . Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to _smitostuff@..._ (mailto:smitostuff@...) The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. Thanks in advance. A. Smith Hamilton, Oh. On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > first. > > Bill Drake > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > shield on the roof while at it) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72849	From: alan smith	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Mike in the Ore. territory, The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to pattern. From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > chimney. He > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > alansmith@... writes: > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > wrong . > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > _smitostuff@..._ (mailto:smitostuff@...) > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > Thanks in advance. > A. Smith > Hamilton, Oh. > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > first. > > > > Bill Drake > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72850	From: David	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: RTR #32x Boiler Face - Limited Avaliability

Again, we have been asked to supply our NEW LED up graded AF #32x boiler faces in a Ready To Run form. We have these items at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> in a VERY LIMITED SUPPLY. Right now we probably have only 2 or 3 until we see what the demand will be. The cost of these boiler faces is $29.50 ea. w/FREE shipping in CONUS. These are REPRO items. You can also figure on at least a 7 working day wait for shipping via USPS. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72851	From: John	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: Drive In Photos Posted

David: I too have a drive-in on my S Gauge layout. From eBay, I bought a DVD of 50's Drive-in ads & promos, and it plays on a Sony DVD screen with camo tape akin to an Ace bandage around the base. Visiting children couldn't care less, but visiting adults are mesmerized, and find the trains to be an annoyance while they try to concentrate on the video and share reminiscences. It's a bit a grainy, but that adds to the authenticity. It's kitschy, but great fun. John Davis Noblesville IN > > Hi All, > > I've attached a few photos of the drive-n under construction on my layout. There are a lot of additional details to add. You can start viewing the photos here: > > http://tinyurl.com/BG1-drive-in > > Have fun! > > David >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72852	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the whole group instead. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <alansmith@...> wrote: > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > pattern. > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > chimney. He > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > alansmith@... writes: > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > > wrong . > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > > _smitostuff@..._ (mailto:smitostuff@...) > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > A. Smith > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > > first. > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72853	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Alan is doing yeoman’s work trying to reproduce this part and I, for one, appreciate it very much. For the life of me, I can’t understand why this part has not been reproduced, especially by the larger reproduction part vendors, due to the fact that so many of these school houses are found sans chimney. Kudos to Alan and, hopefully, someone can lend an original chimney to him so that he can reproduce it properly. He stands to make a decent profit, as there are many more school houses out there without chimneys, like mine. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. TCA Member From: The Upstairs Train Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:01 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the whole group instead. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net> wrote: > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > pattern. > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, mailto:anormal1%40aol.com wrote: > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > chimney. He > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net writes: > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > > wrong . > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > > mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:smitostuff%40gmail.com) > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > A. Smith > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > > first. > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72854	From: David	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: NEW - Casey Jones Parts (Ad)

We have added a NEW SET of round top pressure domes for the AF Casey Jones. Simply cut off the old ones at the top of the dome saddle and insert the new ones. You may find it necessary to trim the hole in the boiler some as the casting holes were not quite centered. These NEW DOMES can be viewed at our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html> Thanks to all for your continuing support. "Bash'em if you got'em" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72855	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Defender Set Photos

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/the-defender-sets-are-here-       Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72856	From: alan smith	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Boy and girls of all ages, I don't have but a couple of AF building / structures on my layout. The Coal loader and a signal tower is about it. Just to clear up any mis-conception on trying create the subject chimney. Mr. DeGallier Sr. had put the chimney question to this forum. I found it interesting that no one jumped it with a solution. I offered my assistance - profit was not my motive - the challenge was. I like bashing "IF U got-im and they need help to make them useful once more - DO IT ". The chimney is not exactly down that path. I wonder as well as to why one of the big boys has not produced a GOOD chimney. If I can cover the cost of getting these made {they must be high quality}, plus shipping they will likely go to our good friends in the AF parts supply chain to sell to the world, should they ask to have these to their stable of goodies. But, we are getting ahead of ourselves. The issue at hand now is to make it like the original ( if I can obtain one to chek dimensions ) - OR make it like I think it should look. HUM ! The phrase is " 99 new ideas every morning". U have to keep an old brain working or you wind up going -- DUH. It's all for the love of trains and the challenge to see if can make it work for the betterment of the hobby. I make propane tank cars, skeleton log cars, side door caboose, four versions of bulkheads and ten of eleven other items that are not copies or was ever offered by our original Gilbert Hall of Science. Cheers, Old Ohio Guy AL On Aug 19, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Bruce DeGailler Sr wrote: > > Alan is doing yeoman�s work trying to reproduce this part and I, for > one, appreciate it very much. For the life of me, I can�t understand > why this part has not been reproduced, especially by the larger > reproduction part vendors, due to the fact that so many of these > school houses are found sans chimney. > > Kudos to Alan and, hopefully, someone can lend an original chimney > to him so that he can reproduce it properly. He stands to make a > decent profit, as there are many more school houses out there > without chimneys, like mine. > > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > TCA Member > > From: The Upstairs Train > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:01 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 > District School > > The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone > else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group > would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first > guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the > whole group instead. > > Bob Graves > TheGilbertGallery.org > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <mailto:alansmith > %40fuse.net> wrote: > > > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce > had > > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > > pattern. > > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top > and > > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from > scratch. > > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, mailto:anormal1%40aol.com wrote: > > > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > > chimney. He > > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net writes: > > > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now > have a > > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney > over > > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of > the > > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will > be > > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If > I'm > > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to > make it > > > wrong . > > > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can > reply to > > > mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:smitostuff%40gmail.com > ) > > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > A. Smith > > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains > and > > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a > complete > > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and > studs, > > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get > there > > > > first. > > > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in > screen > > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72857	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

On E-Bay I saw a couple of other buildings with the same roof & forgot to note the item #'s. It appears that the chimney were the same. So you might search other buildings as Gilbert was found of using the same parts. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/19/2013 9:36:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the whole group instead. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <_alansmith@..._ (mailto:alansmith@...) > wrote: > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > pattern. > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote: > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > chimney. He > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > _alansmith@..._ (mailto:alansmith@...) writes: > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > > wrong . > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > > __smitostuff@..._ (mailto:_smitostuff@...) _ (mailto:_smitostuff@..._ (mailto:smitostuff@...) ) > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > A. Smith > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > > first. > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72858	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Hi Mike, � The #50 School House is the only building that had that chimney. Other buildings that used that roof such as the 764 Express Office and the 751 Log Loader never came with a chimney.  If you want to put that chimney on those buildings you could do that. If Alan makes the #50 Chimney, I would most likely get some from him.  As far as making a investment into a plastic injection mold for a part that has little demand, it's just not worth it..  These could be made of wood and sell for $2.50 each but it seems that many people in the group would prefer it in plastic.  If a real good reproduction is made there will be a lot of speculation on the original chimney by those selling or buying the #50 Schoolhouse. Tom Seccia � Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School   On E-Bay I saw a couple of other buildings with the same roof & forgot to note the item #'s. It appears that the chimney were the same. So you might search other buildings as Gilbert was found of using the same parts. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/19/2013 9:36:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the whole group instead. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <_alansmith@..._ (mailto:alansmith@...) > wrote: > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > pattern. > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote: > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > chimney. He > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > _alansmith@..._ (mailto:alansmith@...) writes: > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > > wrong . > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > > __smitostuff@..._ (mailto:_smitostuff@...) _ (mailto:_smitostuff@..._ (mailto:smitostuff@...) ) > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > A. Smith > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > > first. > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72859	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Tom, Did not the original chimney for the #50 have a “PA” number? I could be wrong in this case, but most of those ancillary parts did have that number. If the #50 did have a “PA” number, that would identify originals from reproductions I would think, similar to other parts reproduced today. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Hi Mike, � The #50 School House is the only building that had that chimney. Other buildings that used that roof such as the 764 Express Office and the 751 Log Loader never came with a chimney. If you want to put that chimney on those buildings you could do that. If Alan makes the #50 Chimney, I would most likely get some from him. As far as making a investment into a plastic injection mold for a part that has little demand, it's just not worth it.. These could be made of wood and sell for $2.50 each but it seems that many people in the group would prefer it in plastic. If a real good reproduction is made there will be a lot of speculation on the original chimney by those selling or buying the #50 Schoolhouse. Tom Seccia � Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: "mailto:anormal1%40aol.com" <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School On E-Bay I saw a couple of other buildings with the same roof & forgot to note the item #'s. It appears that the chimney were the same. So you might search other buildings as Gilbert was found of using the same parts. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/19/2013 9:36:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com writes: The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the whole group instead. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net_ (mailto:mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net) > wrote: > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > pattern. > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) wrote: > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > chimney. He > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net_ (mailto:mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net) writes: > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > > wrong . > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > > mailto:__smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com) _ (mailto:mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:smitostuff%40gmail.com) ) > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > A. Smith > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > > first. > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72860	From: af4mark	Date: 8/19/2013
Subject: Re: what does original Rio Grande F-9 nose sticker look like?

Rich, Thank you very much for the photo and for going to the trouble to add it to your album. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > > > > Mark, I have posted a close-up picture of the sticker on my L-2004 Rio Grande F9. It is in my "acgilbertguy" photo album. I have every reason to believe it is original. Hope this is of help. Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "af4mark" <lember2004@> wrote: > > > > I'm trying to find a photo of the front end of an Gilbert L-2004 Rio Grande F9 that includes the correct, original nose sticker. All of my reference books only show the locomotive from the side and the repro stickers I've seen differ in appearance. Thank you for your help. Mark > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72861	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/20/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Hi Bruce, � I don't believe there was a PA number on the chimney. There was no PA number on the roof.  It is my theory that Gilbert got this plastic chimney from another company. The place to look would be Colber.  I don't believe this was a part Gilbert made in house.  The #50 School House the only accessory with that chimney.  Most parts Gilbert made in house were used for more than one item.  Some reproduction parts do have PA numbers on the part. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School   Tom, Did not the original chimney for the #50 have a “PA” number? I could be wrong in this case, but most of those ancillary parts did have that number. If the #50 did have a “PA” number, that would identify originals from reproductions I would think, similar to other parts reproduced today. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Hi Mike, � The #50 School House is the only building that had that chimney. Other buildings that used that roof such as the 764 Express Office and the 751 Log Loader never came with a chimney. If you want to put that chimney on those buildings you could do that. If Alan makes the #50 Chimney, I would most likely get some from him. As far as making a investment into a plastic injection mold for a part that has little demand, it's just not worth it.. These could be made of wood and sell for $2.50 each but it seems that many people in the group would prefer it in plastic. If a real good reproduction is made there will be a lot of speculation on the original chimney by those selling or buying the #50 Schoolhouse. Tom Seccia � Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: "mailto:anormal1%40aol.com" <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School On E-Bay I saw a couple of other buildings with the same roof & forgot to note the item #'s. It appears that the chimney were the same. So you might search other buildings as Gilbert was found of using the same parts. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/19/2013 9:36:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com writes: The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the whole group instead. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net_ (mailto:mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net) > wrote: > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > pattern. > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) wrote: > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > chimney. He > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net_ (mailto:mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net) writes: > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > > wrong . > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > > mailto:__smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com) _ (mailto:mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:smitostuff%40gmail.com) ) > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > A. Smith > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > > first. > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72862	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/20/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

I have a picture of the #50....it is a side view that shows the width of the chimney. E-mail me directly & I can send it out to you. Mike In a message dated 8/19/2013 6:18:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Mike, The #50 School House is the only building that had that chimney. Other buildings that used that roof such as the 764 Express Office and the 751 Log Loader never came with a chimney. If you want to put that chimney on those buildings you could do that. If Alan makes the #50 Chimney, I would most likely get some from him. As far as making a investment into a plastic injection mold for a part that has little demand, it's just not worth it.. These could be made of wood and sell for $2.50 each but it seems that many people in the group would prefer it in plastic. If a real good reproduction is made there will be a lot of speculation on the original chimney by those selling or buying the #50 Schoolhouse. Tom Seccia Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: "_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) " <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School On E-Bay I saw a couple of other buildings with the same roof & forgot to note the item #'s. It appears that the chimney were the same. So you might search other buildings as Gilbert was found of using the same parts. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/19/2013 9:36:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _theupstairstrain@..._ (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) writes: The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the whole group instead. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <__alansmith@..._ (mailto:_alansmith@...) _ (mailto:_alansmith@..._ (mailto:alansmith@...) ) > wrote: > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > pattern. > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, __anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) wrote: > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > chimney. He > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > __alansmith@..._ (mailto:_alansmith@...) _ (mailto:_alansmith@..._ (mailto:alansmith@...) ) writes: > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > > wrong . > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > > ___smitostuff@..._ (mailto:__smitostuff@...) _ (mailto:__smitostuff@..._ (mailto:_smitostuff@...) ) _ (mailto:__smitostuff@..._ (mailto:_smitostuff@...) _ (mailto:_smitostuff@..._ (mailto:smitostuff@...) ) ) > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > A. Smith > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > > first. > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72863	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 8/20/2013
Subject: A F Box question

Hello all, Anyone know which cars came in this box? 1 - NO 7 CAR ASSORT BIN590 Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72864	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 8/20/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Hi Tom, Thanks for that info. I think you might be on the right track with Colber. And thanks for the info on the PA numbers. I thought they were exclusively on original parts, but I acquiesce to your knowledge in that regard. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Hi Bruce, � I don't believe there was a PA number on the chimney. There was no PA number on the roof. It is my theory that Gilbert got this plastic chimney from another company. The place to look would be Colber. I don't believe this was a part Gilbert made in house. The #50 School House the only accessory with that chimney. Most parts Gilbert made in house were used for more than one item. Some reproduction parts do have PA numbers on the part. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Tom, Did not the original chimney for the #50 have a “PA” number? I could be wrong in this case, but most of those ancillary parts did have that number. If the #50 did have a “PA” number, that would identify originals from reproductions I would think, similar to other parts reproduced today. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:47 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Hi Mike, � The #50 School House is the only building that had that chimney. Other buildings that used that roof such as the 764 Express Office and the 751 Log Loader never came with a chimney. If you want to put that chimney on those buildings you could do that. If Alan makes the #50 Chimney, I would most likely get some from him. As far as making a investment into a plastic injection mold for a part that has little demand, it's just not worth it.. These could be made of wood and sell for $2.50 each but it seems that many people in the group would prefer it in plastic. If a real good reproduction is made there will be a lot of speculation on the original chimney by those selling or buying the #50 Schoolhouse. Tom Seccia � Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: "mailto:anormal1%40aol.com" <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School On E-Bay I saw a couple of other buildings with the same roof & forgot to note the item #'s. It appears that the chimney were the same. So you might search other buildings as Gilbert was found of using the same parts. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/19/2013 9:36:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com writes: The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the whole group instead. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net_ (mailto:mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net) > wrote: > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > pattern. > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) wrote: > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > chimney. He > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net_ (mailto:mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net) writes: > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > > wrong . > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > > mailto:__smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com) _ (mailto:mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:smitostuff%40gmail.com) ) > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > A. Smith > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > > first. > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72865	From: Jim Strompolis	Date: 8/20/2013
Subject: Re: Official Cancellation of the 2010 NASG National Convention Car P

hi:when are you going to send out the rebate checks for the convention cars.thanks.jim ------------------------------ On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 4:18 PM CDT sscalemn wrote: > >To all who have ordered 2010 NASG National Convention Cars, > >We have held onto the hope that the CGW X29 Creco door Boxcar project >(2010 NASG National Convention Car) would eventually be completed. For >the smaller importers like S Scale America, the injection molded plastic >situation in China is not improving. With the knowledge and agreement >of our supplier, we are officially cancelling this project and will be >beginning the task of sending refunds to all who have paid for these >cars. It is with regret and apologies to the S community that we have >not been able to complete this project as promised. > >If your contact / address information has changed since 2010, please let >us know (email or snail mail to: Convention Treasurer Ron Kemp, 6453 >110th Avenue N, Champlin, MN 55316 , kempfam@... ><mailto:kempfam@...> ) . > >Please pass this notice on to anyone you may know who might have ordered >these cars but do not regularly read messages on the Yahoo Groups. > >Regards and thank you for your patience, > >Walt Jopke , 2010 NASG National Convention Chair > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72866	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Hi Bruce, � I'm always doing research as I have a couple of books I'm doing. I will have a Part Number & Train Number book coming out in September.  After 30 years of research I finally decided to do a book on the subject. These will include all the part numbers from 1938 to 1966 and will consist of numbers pertaining to HO and O as well as S.  I seen an ad in an old magazine for Colber. If I can find it, I'll check and see if it has a Colber building with a chimney that looks like the #50. � Tom Seccia   ________________________________ From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School   Hi Tom, Thanks for that info. I think you might be on the right track with Colber. And thanks for the info on the PA numbers. I thought they were exclusively on original parts, but I acquiesce to your knowledge in that regard. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Hi Bruce, � I don't believe there was a PA number on the chimney. There was no PA number on the roof. It is my theory that Gilbert got this plastic chimney from another company. The place to look would be Colber. I don't believe this was a part Gilbert made in house. The #50 School House the only accessory with that chimney. Most parts Gilbert made in house were used for more than one item. Some reproduction parts do have PA numbers on the part. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Tom, Did not the original chimney for the #50 have a “PA” number? I could be wrong in this case, but most of those ancillary parts did have that number. If the #50 did have a “PA” number, that would identify originals from reproductions I would think, similar to other parts reproduced today. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:47 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Hi Mike, � The #50 School House is the only building that had that chimney. Other buildings that used that roof such as the 764 Express Office and the 751 Log Loader never came with a chimney. If you want to put that chimney on those buildings you could do that. If Alan makes the #50 Chimney, I would most likely get some from him. As far as making a investment into a plastic injection mold for a part that has little demand, it's just not worth it.. These could be made of wood and sell for $2.50 each but it seems that many people in the group would prefer it in plastic. If a real good reproduction is made there will be a lot of speculation on the original chimney by those selling or buying the #50 Schoolhouse. Tom Seccia � Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: "mailto:anormal1%40aol.com" <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School On E-Bay I saw a couple of other buildings with the same roof & forgot to note the item #'s. It appears that the chimney were the same. So you might search other buildings as Gilbert was found of using the same parts. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/19/2013 9:36:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com writes: The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the whole group instead. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net_ (mailto:mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net) > wrote: > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > pattern. > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) wrote: > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > chimney. He > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net_ (mailto:mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net) writes: > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > > wrong . > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > > mailto:__smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com) _ (mailto:mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:smitostuff%40gmail.com) ) > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > A. Smith > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > > first. > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72867	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Re: A F Box question

Hi Harwood, The only Car Assortments I've seen were in 1955. These were numbered #1 to #4. #1 had 911, 916,, 912, 926. #2 913, 922, 925, 931, 940 & 947. #3 921, 944, 945 & 946. #4 951G, 952G, 953G, 954G.  If you have a box for #7 Assortment, and have Assortment #5 & #6, what would be in those assortments?   Also, if you have an original #50 Chimney in your collection, could you share the size with the group. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] A F Box question   Hello all, Anyone know which cars came in this box? 1 - NO 7 CAR ASSORT BIN590 Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72868	From: Bruce DeGailler Sr	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School

Hi Tom, Thank you very much for your efforts. I greatly appreciate it. I’ll be one of the first to buy your book when it hits the street (when you offer it for sale). After 30 years of research, I’m sure you have amassed quite a bit of valuable information. Thanks again, Tom. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Hi Bruce, � I'm always doing research as I have a couple of books I'm doing. I will have a Part Number & Train Number book coming out in September. After 30 years of research I finally decided to do a book on the subject. These will include all the part numbers from 1938 to 1966 and will consist of numbers pertaining to HO and O as well as S. I seen an ad in an old magazine for Colber. If I can find it, I'll check and see if it has a Colber building with a chimney that looks like the #50. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Hi Tom, Thanks for that info. I think you might be on the right track with Colber. And thanks for the info on the PA numbers. I thought they were exclusively on original parts, but I acquiesce to your knowledge in that regard. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 8:02 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Hi Bruce, � I don't believe there was a PA number on the chimney. There was no PA number on the roof. It is my theory that Gilbert got this plastic chimney from another company. The place to look would be Colber. I don't believe this was a part Gilbert made in house. The #50 School House the only accessory with that chimney. Most parts Gilbert made in house were used for more than one item. Some reproduction parts do have PA numbers on the part. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Bruce DeGailler Sr <mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Tom, Did not the original chimney for the #50 have a “PA” number? I could be wrong in this case, but most of those ancillary parts did have that number. If the #50 did have a “PA” number, that would identify originals from reproductions I would think, similar to other parts reproduced today. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:47 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School Hi Mike, � The #50 School House is the only building that had that chimney. Other buildings that used that roof such as the 764 Express Office and the 751 Log Loader never came with a chimney. If you want to put that chimney on those buildings you could do that. If Alan makes the #50 Chimney, I would most likely get some from him. As far as making a investment into a plastic injection mold for a part that has little demand, it's just not worth it.. These could be made of wood and sell for $2.50 each but it seems that many people in the group would prefer it in plastic. If a real good reproduction is made there will be a lot of speculation on the original chimney by those selling or buying the #50 Schoolhouse. Tom Seccia � Triple"S"Supplies ________________________________ From: "mailto:anormal1%40aol.com" <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [AFPARTSANDPIECES] Re: Chimney for #50 District School On E-Bay I saw a couple of other buildings with the same roof & forgot to note the item #'s. It appears that the chimney were the same. So you might search other buildings as Gilbert was found of using the same parts. Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/19/2013 9:36:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com writes: The picture on the Gilbert Gallery website was sent to me by someone else. I am afraid I don't have one myself. If I did, the group would've already gotten the measurements. I responded to the first guy who made the inquiry, but I guess I should've responded to the whole group instead. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:27 AM, alan smith <mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net_ (mailto:mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net) > wrote: > Mike in the Ore. territory, > > The picture Robert has posted on his web site is the picture Bruce had > sent me and what I had scaled prior to having Denny's actual roof to > pattern. > From what it appears, in the picture, the chimney was flat on top and > doesn't really fit nicely over the ridge cap shape. > > I know Robert and he participates this site. If he can help he will > surely contact me directly. My best scaled guess it's about .625" > wide Frt to Bck and about 1.437" tall. However, I'm not going on a > guess to make a reproduced chimney. I'm holding out hope of finding > an original to pattern. If I can get one or actual dimensions that I > can work with; the owner gets a couple Repro's for his support. My > fear is the original won't be a good as what I can make from scratch. > Just saying -- ! Regards, Ham, Oh. Al > > On Aug 18, 2013, at 10:48 PM, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) wrote: > > > Try the Gilbert Gallery. They have a picture of one with the > > chimney. He > > also might be able to find out from the owner. Mike in Ore > > > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 6:39:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > mailto:_alansmith%40fuse.net_ (mailto:mailto:alansmith%40fuse.net) writes: > > > > # 50 school - Can't go to school without some heat in the stove. > > The kids have to walk five miles, in the snow, its up hill both > > directions and their shoes are wet and feet are cold. HELP ! > > > > No luck as yet finding a chimney for creating pattern . I now have a > > borrowed roof so as to pattern the bottom shape of the chimney over > > the ridge cap. Thank you Den ! > > > > It would be real helpful to know the width of the chimney. I have > > traced the shape of the roof but need the width front to back of the > > chimney. Plus, iF the chimney had some sort of cavity in the top > > surface . If I can create these they will not be molded but will be > > plastic and NOT 3D printer fodder. > > > > Any help gathering information would be greatly appreciated. If I'm > > going to this effort to reproduce the chimney I don't want to make it > > wrong . > > > > Should anyone be able to offer the needed information U can reply to > > mailto:__smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com) _ (mailto:mailto:_smitostuff%40gmail.com_ (mailto:mailto:smitostuff%40gmail.com) ) > > The think the world of Flyer lovers everywhere will be grateful. > > Thanks in advance. > > A. Smith > > Hamilton, Oh. > > > > On Aug 9, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Bill Drake wrote: > > > > > Will take a while (months). I just packed up all of the trains and > > > stuffed them into two spare rooms to clear the way for a complete > > > remake of the train room (gutting to the rafters, joists and studs, > > > then new floor, insulation, new electrical and lighting, then > > > drywall) The accessories are in there somewhere. Be glad to > > > photograph and measure, then post if someone else doesn't get there > > > first. > > > > > > Bill Drake > > > St. Louis - forecast lightning all day (maybe should put in screen > > > shield on the roof while at it) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72869	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Re: A F Box question

Hi This is a master shipping carton containing either 6 or 8 988 or 24413 reefer cars B1N590 size is 10.0x6.75x7.25 made by Gair Co may-05 1955-1962 Hope this helps I do have one in my collection box ix stamped 988 and sub stamped 24413 Stan Sobieski From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A F Box question Hi Harwood, The only Car Assortments I've seen were in 1955. These were numbered #1 to #4. #1 had 911, 916,, 912, 926. #2 913, 922, 925, 931, 940 & 947. #3 921, 944, 945 & 946. #4 951G, 952G, 953G, 954G. If you have a box for #7 Assortment, and have Assortment #5 & #6, what would be in those assortments? Also, if you have an original #50 Chimney in your collection, could you share the size with the group. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com> " <HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] A F Box question Hello all, Anyone know which cars came in this box? 1 - NO 7 CAR ASSORT BIN590 Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72870	From: Ben	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Big Boy for sale

I have a Big Boy for sale. She has seen some layout time- nothing too extensive. Had the typical drive shaft wear. Repaired correctly by Carl Tuveson. If you don't know what a magician he is with these trains, you can look him up on these forums. He repaired the drive shaft, dimmed the marker lights, repaired the tender coupler, and reworked the smoke unit. This was all extra stuff needed to be done to the BB due to Lionel's lack of foresight or engineering competence. It is now perfectly correct in every way! Since Carl repaired it, I have not run it except for two or three laps around the layout. This loco is really too big for my layout and my wife hates it. So...if you wanted to get a Big Boy but didn't succeed- here is your chance. Comes with all original packaging. $800 (because of the work Carl did to it) plus shipping...or delivery to October York TCA meet included. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72871	From: Bob Chaparro	Date: 8/21/2013
Subject: Exhibit Your Layout – Central Coast RR Festival (CA)

The Central Coast Railroad Festival ( http://ccrrf.com/ <http://ccrrf.com/> ) will take place October 10-14, 2013 (Thursday-Monday) in San Luis Obispo County and Northern Santa Barbara County. As was done in 2010, 2011 and 2012, I will organize a self-guided layout tour as part of the Festival. We had nineteen model railroads and garden railroads on tour last year and hope to have these plus some new railroads this year. If you live in San Luis Obispo County or Northern Santa Barbara County I would like you to consider opening your railroad as part of the tour. Participating in a layout tour is a great way to share your work and meet your fellow model railroaders. You've probably worked hard on your railroad so you might as well get some recognition from people who will appreciate your efforts. All you need to do is operate your trains and chat with visitors. I will do all the planning and publicity, as I have done for thirty-nine previously tours since 2006, including the 2008 NMRA National Convention, the 2008 Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society, several NMRA regional conventions and the upcoming 33rd National Narrow Gauge Convention. Please contact me OFF LIST at chiefbobbb@... <mailto:chiefbobbb@...> if you are interested or just have questions before committing to the tour. Thank you. Bob Chaparro (Chiefbobbb at Verizon dot net) Model Railroads of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/> P.S.: I will be organizing the layout tour for the Pacific Coast Region/NMRA annual convention in San Luis Obispo next spring so keep this in mind as an opportunity to show your railroad, also. +++++ Other Scheduled Tours National Narrow Gauge Convention – Aug. 27 to Sept. 1 Banning Train Festival – October 19 & 20 Pacific Coast Region/NMRA (San Luis Obispo area) – April 30 - May 4, 2014 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72872	From: george leidinger	Date: 8/22/2013
Subject: Re: 54" wide radius track?

Yes i do George Leidinger -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/13/13, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: Subject: [S-Trains] 54" wide radius track? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2013, 9:53 PM   I have a customer looking for a circle (12 pieces) of this tack. Anyone have any available? Please contact me off-list. Thanks. Doug Peck Port Lines

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72873	From: David	Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: ALL WHEEL Electrical Pick Up Trucks (Advertisement)

Once again we have been requested to come up with some fairly inexpensive all wheel electrical pick up trucks for the pre-1966 AF high rail tenders. We have been at this project for over a year and are now almost ready to unveil these trucks. We are testing modified PM four wheel arch bar trucks that are equipped with our knuckle coupler conversion fitting and so far no problems. Just imagine, no more stalling or jerky operation from intermittent electrical conductivity. Four wheels on each side supplying power. A whole new experience in operating your AF steamers. These NEW TRUCKS should be ready to order by the first of September. Cost: $34.50 per pair at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> "Bash'em If You Got'em" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72874	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: Website Updated: HUNDREDS of S Items for sale

I have just completed an update of the For Sale pages of my website to include ready-to-run sets and all the collections I am currently handling:            <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html>            <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_sets.html> I have literally HUNDREDS of S Items for sale, something for everybody! As always, everything is being offered on a make-offer basis. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72875	From: David	Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: ALL WHEEL Elec. Pick Up Trucks (Advertisement)

First of all we were wrong on the price of these trucks. Should have been $44.50 per pair which is still a bargain, not $35.50 per pair. The photos of the trucks are at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html <http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html> and are now for sale. As you will note it takes awhile to build these trucks up so please be patient with us as we are not getting any younger. "Bash'em If You Got'em" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72876	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: NASG Web Site - Updated 2013 Convention Page

Group, I have revised the 2013 NASG Convention page with summaries and a bunch of photos. I apologize for the delay in doing this, but my wife and I decided to spend an extra week on vacation after the convention, and I have been busy catching up ever since. To see the page, go to http://www.nasg.org/ and click on the "NASG Convention" button on the home page. Enjoy, - Peter. -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72877	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: Lucky Folks...

Ya know, guys, we are probably one of the most fortunate train nut groups on the face of the planet. We have Peter Vanvliet for a website master. Have we ever seen such good coverage of any convention? I, for one, at least, can't remember any review of our convention being as comprehensive as what Peter has put up for our enjoyment. I love it. Sorry about the over-lapping e-mail addies, but I ain't gonna edit out duplications and/or triplications. Gerry Evans In St. Louis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72878	From: David	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: NEW Wiring System for your AF Sintered Trucks (Advertisement)

We are testing a NEW WIRING HARNESS for AF sintered trucks that will allow you to do away with those nasty axle wipers and improve the rolling ability of the chassis by at least 50%. Please direct all questions about this new item to LBR R&D Dept. at: lbrenterprisesllc@... <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...> "Bash'em if you Got'em" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72879	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site - Updated 2013 Convention Page

Peter, some good photos. Better than some of mine? What camera? Settings? Jeff Madden On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Peter Vanvliet <groups@...>wrote: > ** > > > Group, > > I have revised the 2013 NASG Convention page with summaries and a bunch > of photos. I apologize for the delay in doing this, but my wife and I > decided to spend an extra week on vacation after the convention, and I > have been busy catching up ever since. > > To see the page, go to http://www.nasg.org/ and click on the "NASG > Convention" button on the home page. > > Enjoy, > - Peter. > > -- > > Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) > Houston, Texas > > My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed > <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) > Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> > Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> > N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> > -- > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72880	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/25/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 25, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72881	From: Peter Vanvliet	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: Re: NASG Web Site - Updated 2013 Convention Page

Hi Jeff, Thank you for your compliment. I use a Canon G11. Most of the photos on that page were taken in automatic mode, but I do adjust the white balance. The only ones I couldn't get right were the ones at the banquet/auction. I grabbed the two best ones I had, just to show *something*. That is the same camera I use for the photos on my model railroad web site. I love the macro capabilities of that small camera to help me shoot up close for photographing details. - Peter. On 08/24/2013 11:43 am, Jeffrey Madden wrote: > Peter, some good photos. Better than some of mine? What camera? Settings? > Jeff Madden > > -- Peter Vanvliet (peter@...) Houston, Texas My Model Railroad Site <http://pmrr.org/> (RSS feed <http://pmrr.org/rss.xml>) Fourth Ray Software <http://fourthray.com/> Houston S Gaugers <http://houstonsgaugers.org/> N.A.S.G. <http://nasg.org/> -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72882	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 8/24/2013
Subject: AF ALCO Coupler Cutouts

Hey guys, over the years I have seen many AF Alcos modified to close in the big coupler cut out. Sort of like takeing later 470s and filling in the opening like a 360. I have seen good mods and some not so good. Has anyone done that recently? If you have, what are some ideas and tips you would share. I have some old shells that I would like to give a try. Roger Meekhof

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72883	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/25/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/25/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 25, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72884	From: David	Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Up Grade Your Hudson, Northern Tender Trucks (Ad)

We have just posted our FALL SPECIAL. This year we are offering you an opportunity to UP GRADE your AF HUDSON OR NORTHERN tender trucks to ALL WHEEL POWER TRUCKS. No more AXLE WIPERS or spring loaded TRACK WIPERS. Plus, you get new wheel sets and bushings which maker the trucks roll with very little resistance. No more stalling at turn outs or crossovers. Motor runs cooler and stronger. Offer may be seen at our web site at: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Repair-Services.html?_=1377529314\ 427 <http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Repair-Services.html?_=137752931\ 4427> "SEND TRUCKS ONLY - NO TENDERS" Thank you all for your continuing support. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72885	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Re: looking for aq part

I just purchased WP 6-49604 that had never been opened, great set but I need a part the sound activation button part 5906 does anyone have an extra one that I can have are buy?  Tks vm Jim Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72886	From: David	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Retro-Fit Four (4) Wheel Sintered Trucks

We have been contacted by some AF people in California to see if we would retro-fit the AF four (4) wheel tender trucks making them ALL WHEEL CONTACT trucks. Seams as though they really like these trucks a lot except for the habit of the side frames coming off. When we came out with the six (6) wheel conversion we had thought about including doing the same thing to the four (4) wheel trucks. But, before doing these conversions also we would really like to know what this group thinks about the idea of doing this. Come on lets hear from all of you what you think. "Bash'em if you Got'm" LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72887	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: looking for aq part

Jim, These buttons are hard to find. You see them occasionally on eBay. You can also use the American Models sound activation box that has two buttons, one for the horn and one for the bell - again look on eBay for one. If you feel comfortable building your own circuits, you can check the Files section of this group. I think there is a PDF file in the Files section of a circuit showing how to build your own sound activation button. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > I just purchased WP 6-49604 that had never been opened, great set but I need a part the sound activation button part 5906 does anyone have an extra one that I can have are buy?  Tks vm Jim Davidson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72888	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: Retro-Fit Four (4) Wheel Sintered Trucks

Sounds all GOOD. FRANK Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:04 AM, "David" <reujan2000@...> wrote: > > We have been contacted by some AF people in California to see if we > would retro-fit the AF four (4) wheel tender trucks making them ALL > WHEEL CONTACT trucks. Seams as though they really like these trucks a > lot except for the habit of the side frames coming off. > > When we came out with the six (6) wheel conversion we had thought about > including doing the same thing to the four (4) wheel trucks. > > But, before doing these conversions also we would really like to know > what this group thinks about the idea of doing this. > > Come on lets hear from all of you what you think. > > "Bash'em if you Got'm" > > LBR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72889	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: looking for aq part

Jim, try googling "Lionel Part # 5906" There are many places on there The one I saw was $10.95....I thionk it was mid page, past the pictures of the 5906 button....Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/27/2013 6:25:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Jim, These buttons are hard to find. You see them occasionally on eBay. You can also use the American Models sound activation box that has two buttons, one for the horn and one for the bell - again look on eBay for one. If you feel comfortable building your own circuits, you can check the Files section of this group. I think there is a PDF file in the Files section of a circuit showing how to build your own sound activation button. David --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > I just purchased WP 6-49604 that had never been opened, great set but I need a part the sound activation button part 5906 does anyone have an extra one that I can have are buy? Tks vm Jim Davidson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72890	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: looking for aq part

I did not think to look at just lionel parts, tks for info u all Jim Davidson ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: looking for aq part   Jim, try googling "Lionel Part # 5906" There are many places on there The one I saw was $10.95....I thionk it was mid page, past the pictures of the 5906 button....Mike in Ore In a message dated 8/27/2013 6:25:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Jim, These buttons are hard to find. You see them occasionally on eBay. You can also use the American Models sound activation box that has two buttons, one for the horn and one for the bell - again look on eBay for one. If you feel comfortable building your own circuits, you can check the Files section of this group. I think there is a PDF file in the Files section of a circuit showing how to build your own sound activation button. David --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > I just purchased WP 6-49604 that had never been opened, great set but I need a part the sound activation button part 5906 does anyone have an extra one that I can have are buy? Tks vm Jim Davidson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72891	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: I've been KITBASHED!

Some folks have wondered why I haven't been active on S Trains for a while. Well, for those of you who might not know, I'm sitting around home healing up from a five way heart bypass. Lots of hurts, out of breath, down on power. I have been dabbling on the computer, working on a new writing project, doing some reading, and today for the first time got back to my work table. It was then that it hit me: I'VE been KITBASHED! Old parts fixed and new stu8ff done to this old junk box shell! Maybe they should have just put in a new DC can motor too! :-) At least my sick humor was not removed by accident. Thanks to those of you who have e-mailed with prayers and good wishes. Stumpy Stone in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72892	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Stumpy, Glad to see you back at it. My dad had to have double bypass surgery, but the ol ticker gave out. Suredo like what you do for kit bashing.        Alan Lambert   ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I've been KITBASHED!   Some folks have wondered why I haven't been active on S Trains for a while. Well, for those of you who might not know, I'm sitting around home healing up from a five way heart bypass. Lots of hurts, out of breath, down on power. I have been dabbling on the computer, working on a new writing project, doing some reading, and today for the first time got back to my work table. It was then that it hit me: I'VE been KITBASHED! Old parts fixed and new stu8ff done to this old junk box shell! Maybe they should have just put in a new DC can motor too! :-) At least my sick humor was not removed by accident. Thanks to those of you who have e-mailed with prayers and good wishes. Stumpy Stone in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72893	From: Steven Allen	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!

Glad to see you back on the "right track" Stumpy!. I bet you showed those cardiologists a thing or two about kitbashing!!!. Steven Allen Springfield, MA (formerly from northern Ahia)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72894	From: Paul	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!

Stumpy, you beat us to it. Jerry P and I wrote a couple of times and I intended to razz you about being Kitbashed with some repurposed parts. ie: leg veins. Jerry thought you would approve and get a chuckle out of it, but great men of like humor, you beat me. hope this catches you getting stronger and staying inside in AC. paul On 8/27/2013 8:53 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > Some folks have wondered why I haven't been active on S Trains for a > while. Well, for those of you who might not know, I'm sitting around > home healing up from a five way heart bypass. Lots of hurts, out of > breath, down on power. I have been dabbling on the computer, working > on a new writing project, doing some reading, and today for the first > time got back to my work table. > > It was then that it hit me: I'VE been KITBASHED! Old parts fixed and > new stu8ff done to this old junk box shell! Maybe they should have > just put in a new DC can motor too! :-) > > At least my sick humor was not removed by accident. > > Thanks to those of you who have e-mailed with prayers and good wishes. > Stumpy Stone in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72895	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!

Glad you're back on track! Tom, from southern Ahia. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:50 PM, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@...> wrote: > Glad to see you back on the "right track" Stumpy!. I bet you showed those cardiologists a thing or two about kitbashing!!!. > > Steven Allen > Springfield, MA (formerly from northern Ahia) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72896	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: track plans

I been looking at track plans and really find AF Sibleys Layout intresting being able to run 5 trains at same time, does anyone have the dimensions kind of vague on the drawing, and is there a place to find drawing plans on the net??? I do have 101 track plans, but would like to see others also seeing track on u=tube really dosnt show the entire plans, right now I have a set up to run 4 trains but really dont like it maybe later will post pictures of current track layout, its alot of fun just to set things up. Tks vm Jim Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72897	From: richs009	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: track plans

Jim -- if you go to Dale Smith's terrific website http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ you will see a link to his page on the Sibley dept. store layout and there is a scale drawing of the trackplan - Rich --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <jad01@...> wrote: I been looking at track plans and really find AF Sibleys Layout intresting being able to run 5 trains at same time, does anyone have the dimensions kind of vague on the drawing, and is there a place to find drawing plans on the net??? I do have 101 track plans, but would like to see others also seeing track on u=tube really dosnt show the entire plans, right now I have a set up to run 4 trains but really dont like it maybe later will post pictures of current track layout, its alot of fun just to set things up. Tks vm Jim Davidson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72898	From: James Lyle	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: looking for aq part

The best solution is the DALLEE 1101 or 1102. Dallee.com. Minimal voltage drop with 1101 ( less than most transformer rectifiers provide ) 1102 negligible drop, fan cooled. PVMR will eventually install 1102's on our expanded control center panel.. I AM a Dallee dealer ( disclaimer ) Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:04 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > Jim, try googling "Lionel Part # 5906" There are many places on there > The one I saw was $10.95....I thionk it was mid page, past the pictures of > the 5906 button....Mike in Ore > > > In a message dated 8/27/2013 6:25:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > bull_gator_1@... writes: > > > > > Jim, > > These buttons are hard to find. You see them occasionally on eBay. You can > also use the American Models sound activation box that has two buttons, > one for the horn and one for the bell - again look on eBay for one. If you > feel comfortable building your own circuits, you can check the Files section > of this group. I think there is a PDF file in the Files section of a > circuit showing how to build your own sound activation button. > > David > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , MARY > & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: >> >> I just purchased WP 6-49604 that had never been opened, great set but I > need a part the sound activation button part 5906 does anyone have an extra > one that I can have are buy? Tks vm Jim Davidson >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72899	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: track plans

Jim, Yes there isa place to find the track plan. Jeff Faust, who wrote the article in CTT on the layout did the plan and let me post it on my website, www.americanflyerdisplays.org <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org> The exact link can be found here <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/sibley/sibley_overview_nf.htm> . Just click on the illustration to enlarge the plan. There is also a captioned version which indicates which accessories went where. The track sections can be seen in the track plans, but be advised that the concentric curves at the far end of the layout were originally constructed with long sections of uncut rail bent to a custom radius. As to 5 trains, that would include one locomotive operating in the yard as far as I know and there isn't a lot of room to do that and it would probably involve encroaching on one of the mainline loops. The outside loop could be modified with a passing siding to allow two trains to operate on it. The full dimensions are 7 by 16 feet, according to its owner, Clay Buckage. The Sibley layout and the nearly identical Boys' Railroad Club Layout are, as far as I know, the only two surviving layouts of this style. I believe that therewere probably many similar layouts in otherlarge department stores and that they are all based on the 1949 FAO Schwarz layout, which appears to be slightly larger. For more details, take a look at that section on my website. Dale Smith On 8/28/2013 1:53 PM, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON wrote: > > I been looking at track plans and really find AF Sibleys Layout > intresting being able to run 5 trains at same time, does anyone have > the dimensions kind of vague on the drawing, and is there a place to > find drawing plans on the net??? I do have 101 track plans, but would > like to see others also seeing track on u=tube really dosnt show the > entire plans, right now I have a set up to run 4 trains but really > dont like it maybe later will post pictures of current track layout, > its alot of fun just to set things up. > > Tks vm Jim Davidson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72900	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!

Stumpy very glad this kit bashing turned out, God Bless Jim Davidson ________________________________ From: Tom Detmer <detmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: I've been KITBASHED!   Glad you're back on track! Tom, from southern Ahia. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2013, at 2:50 PM, "Steven Allen" <allens1017@...> wrote: > Glad to see you back on the "right track" Stumpy!. I bet you showed those cardiologists a thing or two about kitbashing!!!. > > Steven Allen > Springfield, MA (formerly from northern Ahia) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72901	From: nyc17819@...	Date: 8/28/2013
Subject: Operating Car Control button

I was given a control button marked, "AMERICAN FLYER OPERATING CAR." The body is black and the button is red. The strange thing is the bottom has two separate yellow wires and two separate black wires, each soldered to a separate lug. I haven't tested the button, but I'd guess that pressing the button connects one black wire to its yellow mate and the other black wire to its corresponding yellow mate. In effect, it'd be a double pole single throw switch. What kinds of operating cars used this button with this wire configuration? Chris Harding [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72902	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/29/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Car Control button

Hi Chris,                      The double wire setup on the button is to wire DC.  If you have a regular AC transformer just connect the yellow wires to the outside post of the transformer and the black wires to the clip or post on the action car pick up rail.                                                    Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "nyc17819@..." <nyc17819@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Operating Car Control button   I was given a control button marked, "AMERICAN FLYER OPERATING CAR." The body is black and the button is red. The strange thing is the bottom has two separate yellow wires and two separate black wires, each soldered to a separate lug. I haven't tested the button, but I'd guess that pressing the button connects one black wire to its yellow mate and the other black wire to its corresponding yellow mate. In effect, it'd be a double pole single throw switch. What kinds of operating cars used this button with this wire configuration? Chris Harding [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72903	From: Mike Hayes	Date: 8/29/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Car Control button

The buttons were with many operating cars and for regular AC use the yellow wires went to the fixed voltage post (about 16V); the two black wires went to the contact attached to the track. The difference came when using the accessary with a DC system. Then the wires went their separate ways. Many of the instruction sheets include the diagram of both the AC hookup and the DC set-up. ----- Original Message ----- From: nyc17819@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Operating Car Control button I was given a control button marked, "AMERICAN FLYER OPERATING CAR." The body is black and the button is red. The strange thing is the bottom has two separate yellow wires and two separate black wires, each soldered to a separate lug. I haven't tested the button, but I'd guess that pressing the button connects one black wire to its yellow mate and the other black wire to its corresponding yellow mate. In effect, it'd be a double pole single throw switch. What kinds of operating cars used this button with this wire configuration? Chris Harding [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72904	From: rick gough	Date: 8/29/2013
Subject: Re: I've been KITBASHED!

Hey Stumpy,   Great to know you are up and runnin' again and I can ask you questions like:  I need a turn out [switch] to marry into my ACG cross over that can eliminate the mechanism with red and green lights which is way too tall to allow my Lionel Challenger's cab swing to clear without banging it. Someone else must make one now where the frog mechanism is integrated into the bottom. It does have to be remote. Now, go back to your invention table and enjoy life more than ever.   Rick rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I've been KITBASHED! ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   Some folks have wondered why I haven't been active on S Trains for a while. Well, for those of you who might not know, I'm sitting around home healing up from a five way heart bypass. Lots of hurts, out of breath, down on power. I have been dabbling on the computer, working on a new writing project, doing some reading, and today for the first time got back to my work table. It was then that it hit me: I'VE been KITBASHED! Old parts fixed and new stu8ff done to this old junk box shell! Maybe they should have just put in a new DC can motor too! :-) At least my sick humor was not removed by accident. Thanks to those of you who have e-mailed with prayers and good wishes. Stumpy Stone in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72905	From: R G	Date: 8/29/2013
Subject: Re: Operating Car Control button

The control buttons with four wires were for use with the DC retiformers that Gilbert produced in the 1940's. I would have to check the instruction manuals on how to attached them when using DC power to the tracks. They can also be used with regular AC transformers, you just connect the two yellows together and the two blacks together.  Operating cars could be anything from log unloading cars, auto unloading car, or coal unloading car.  All of these were produced during the 1940's.  The same button could also be used with the unloading baggage and boxcar introduced a few years later. ________________________________ From: "nyc17819@..." <nyc17819@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Operating Car Control button   I was given a control button marked, "AMERICAN FLYER OPERATING CAR." The body is black and the button is red. The strange thing is the bottom has two separate yellow wires and two separate black wires, each soldered to a separate lug. I haven't tested the button, but I'd guess that pressing the button connects one black wire to its yellow mate and the other black wire to its corresponding yellow mate. In effect, it'd be a double pole single throw switch. What kinds of operating cars used this button with this wire configuration? Chris Harding [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72906	From: wjjim2001	Date: 8/30/2013
Subject: DALLEE A/C Sound Controllers

In answer to the request for info---- here is the link: http://www.dallee.com/AC%20Sound%20Controller.htm AC Sound Controller 1101 89.95 ___ ____.__ AC Sound Controller 1102 109.95 ___ ____.__ You will note that that info states no voltage drop on the 1102. That is correct, I have not noticed any sound from the fan used in the 1102. 1102 was basically developed for the BIG layouts, public, etc. Obviously great in either application. Shipping on either one ( 2 same address, for that matter ) is 12.00. Can get from DALLEE or me, I take Visa and M-C. Doug has them, maybe S N S. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72907	From: jedmsie	Date: 8/30/2013
Subject: Re: GREEN LED MARKER SET for AF #322 Boiler Face (Advertisement)

Yes, I am interested in the 3 LED kit . JED --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <reujan2000@...> wrote: We were contacted by John McLeod of Rancho Cordova, CA about maybe furnishing a set of GREEN MARKERS for the AF #322 boiler front that resembles the ones on the real Hudson engines. Well we have been working on this project for John for about a month now and it looks like we may have something for him in the next week or so. Do to a newer and much smaller LED we have acquired, it looks like we may also be able to attach one of these new LED's to the back of the head light lens. If any of you out there in the AF land would want to buy a set of these L.E.D.'s just let us and the rest of the group know and we will see about putting these sets on our web site. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72908	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: GREEN LED MARKER SET for AF #322 Boiler Face (Advertisement)

Please go to our web site at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html   They are there. LBR ________________________________ From: "jedmsie@..." <jedmsie@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 7:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GREEN LED MARKER SET for AF #322 Boiler Face (Advertisement)   Yes, I am interested in the 3 LED kit . JED --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <reujan2000@...> wrote: We were contacted by John McLeod of Rancho Cordova, CA about maybe furnishing a set of GREEN MARKERS for the AF #322 boiler front that resembles the ones on the real Hudson engines. Well we have been working on this project for John for about a month now and it looks like we may have something for him in the next week or so. Do to a newer and much smaller LED we have acquired, it looks like we may also be able to attach one of these new LED's to the back of the head light lens. If any of you out there in the AF land would want to buy a set of these L.E.D.'s just let us and the rest of the group know and we will see about putting these sets on our web site. LBR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72909	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: New Format is a LOSER!

Well, it seems that someone at Yahoo has decided to undermine the communications link many of us rely on.  This new format looks stupid and is certainly NOT user friendly!    This will kill off lots of Yahoo groups and set back the hobbies that rely on the old format for regular communication!   Time to let them know that they screwed up...NOW!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72910	From: poniaj	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

Stumpy, I agree wholeheartedly!  I also think that techies all over are trying to justify their jobs by changing things around just to show that they can do it!  Change simply for change's sake is a waste of time.  The new format is indeed NOT user friendly.  For example, it's not as easy to reply to the sender only.  It's possible, but more steps have to be taken.  Aren't technology and progress supposed to make things easier, not harder?  I'm not a Luddite, but I also believe in the old maxim "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"! We're all creatures of habit, and new things aren't always easy or welcomed.  But "new and improved" isn't always so.  Will they go back to the previous format?  I highly doubt it.  What can be done about Yahoo's changes?  Not much, unless someone has an idea other than using some other service.  But that would mean changing even more. Jerry Another Unhappy Camper   --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Well, it seems that someone at Yahoo has decided to undermine the communications link many of us rely on.  This new format looks stupid and is certainly NOT user friendly!    This will kill off lots of Yahoo groups and set back the hobbies that rely on the old format for regular communication!   Time to let them know that they screwed up...NOW!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72911	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

There are several yahoo train groups I am with that are also high on the complaint list. End the stress by enjoying your trains. Frank Emiro. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 6:03 AM, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > Well, it seems that someone at Yahoo has decided to undermine the communications link many of us rely on. This new format looks stupid and is certainly NOT user friendly! This will kill off lots of Yahoo groups and set back the hobbies that rely on the old format for regular communication! Time to let them know that they screwed up...NOW! Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72912	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: #50 DISTRICT SCHOOL HOUSE

_American Flyer Train RARE District School House Beautiful | eBay_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-FLYER-TRAIN-RARE-DISTRICT-SCHOOL-HOUSE-BEAUTIFUL-/ 121168312044?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c3631b6ec) Here is a link to an E-Bay auction for a school house. You might get the seller to send a picture of the chimney, Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72913	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

What am I missing???? It is very easy to reply to the group , as I'm doing. Replies to the sender alone is just as easy. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72914	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: The end of S Gauge toy train collecting as we knew it.

----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy@... . . . . . . . . . This will kill off lots of Yahoo groups and set back the hobbies that rely on the old format for regular communication! . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it's a darwinian thing - to get rid of inflexible minds that can't deal with change and can't learn new things. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72915	From: calleytwo	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

Once you learn to navigate it its not too bad, in fact the search facility for messages works better. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Sat, 31 Aug 2013 08:56:45 -0700 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] New Format is a LOSER!   There are several yahoo train groups I am with that are also high on the complaint list. End the stress by enjoying your trains. Frank Emiro. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 6:03 AM, wrote: > Well, it seems that someone at Yahoo has decided to undermine the communications link many of us rely on. This new format looks stupid and is certainly NOT user friendly! This will kill off lots of Yahoo groups and set back the hobbies that rely on the old format for regular communication! Time to let them know that they screwed up...NOW! Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbzRmcHRjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjkxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5Njk2MzM-?act=reply&messageNum=72911 [3] mailto:femiro2002@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20New%20Format%20%20is%20a%20LOSER%21 [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20New%20Format%20%20is%20a%20LOSER%21 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcGxjdDRkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5Njk2MzM- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72909;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZmRidmIyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjkxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5Njk2MzMEdHBjSWQDNzI5MDk- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNmdyY2xmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzc3OTY5NjMz [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjOGw2NmdsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5Njk2MzM- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZWY0Nm9oBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3Nzk2OTYzMw-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72916	From: alan smith	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: #50 DISTRICT SCHOOL HOUSE

NO SHOOL NOR PICTURE of any kind CAN BE SEEN. On Aug 31, 2013, at 4:50 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > _American Flyer Train RARE District School House Beautiful | eBay_ > (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-FLYER-TRAIN-RARE-DISTRICT-SCHOOL-HOUSE-BEAUTIFUL-/ > 121168312044?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c3631b6ec) > > Here is a link to an E-Bay auction for a school house. You might get > the > seller to send a picture of the chimney, Mike > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72917	From: herbw202	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

You are right. The new CEO of Yahoo has not impressed me so far. It makes using the  forum a ordeal, not a pleasure. NOT at all    user friendly. is there a place to complain? --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <anormal1@...> wrote: What am I missing???? It is very easy to reply to the group , as I'm doing. Replies to the sender alone is just as easy. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72918	From: calleytwo	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: The end of S Gauge toy train collecting as we knew it.

Bit of an over-reaction Tom. Its not that bad, in fact the search for old messages facility by name seems to work better. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:40:27 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] The end of S Gauge toy train collecting as we knew it.   ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy@... [1] . . . . . . . . . This will kill off lots of Yahoo groups and set back the hobbies that rely on the old format for regular communication! . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it's a darwinian thing - to get rid of inflexible minds that can't deal with change and can't learn new things. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaWxrcHA2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjkxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODU0Njc-?act=reply&messageNum=72914 [3] mailto:t.hawley@...?subject=Re%3A%20The%20end%20of%20S%20Gauge%20toy%20train%20collecting%20as%20we%20knew%20it. [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20The%20end%20of%20S%20Gauge%20toy%20train%20collecting%20as%20we%20knew%20it. [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcmkxZzEwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODU0Njc- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72914;_ylc=X3oDMTM0M2t1ZzB0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjkxNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODU0NjcEdHBjSWQDNzI5MTQ- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcW5kb3VvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzc3OTg1NDY3 [8] http://groups.yahoocom/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYm1idGY4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODU0Njc- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoocom/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZ2g0ZzNnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3Nzk4NTQ2Nw-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72919	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/1/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 1, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72920	From: calleytwo	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

The Marx group has wasted hundreds of postings moaning about the new format so with this group's reputation for negativity I guess we can look forward to the same here. Look forward to everybody accepting what is not as good but not disastrous so that we can get back to trains. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroupscom To: Cc: Sent:31 Aug 2013 15:03:58 -0700 Subject:[S-Trains] RE: New Format is a LOSER!   You are right. The new CEO of Yahoo has not impressed me so far. It makes using the  forum a ordeal, not a pleasure. NOT at all    user friendly. is there a place to complain? --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com [1], wrote: What am I missing???? It is very easy to reply to the group , as I'm doing. Replies to the sender alone is just as easy. Mike Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYTkzcDg4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjkxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODk3OTg-?act=reply&messageNum=72917 [3] mailto:hwass@...?subject=RE%3A%20New%20Format%20%20is%20a%20LOSER%21 [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20New%20Format%20%20is%20a%20LOSER%21 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcjVwNTl1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODk3OTg- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72909;_ylc=X3oDMTM0YXIwZmpyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjkxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODk3OTgEdHBjSWQDNzI5MDk- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZTdlMWs2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzc3OTg5Nzk4 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMTYyNGoxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODk3OTg- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiamswbHRuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3Nzk4OTc5OA-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroupscom?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72921	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: The end of S Gauge toy train collecting as we knew it.

Tom, From everything I have been reading about this problem from this and several other groups, it sounds more like a fix for something that may not have been broken. It reminds me of Microsoft's imposition of the "ribbon", which was awful when it first came out and remains so today. As for your reference to Darwin, what you describe is NOT at all how evolution works or all life would have become extinct long ago. This has nothing to do with your snide comment about ".inflexible minds that can't deal with change and can't learn new things.", but with software that is not working properly, withdrawal of access, and the outright disappearance of at least one large, active group. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hawley Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:40 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] The end of S Gauge toy train collecting as we knew it. ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy@... <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> . . . . . . . . . This will kill off lots of Yahoo groups and set back the hobbies that rely on the old format for regular communication! . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it's a darwinian thing - to get rid of inflexible minds that can't deal with change and can't learn new things. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72922	From: calleytwo	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: #50 DISTRICT SCHOOL HOUSE

Try reading what Michael said!! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 31 Aug 2013 18:37:47 -0400 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] RE: #50 DISTRICT SCHOOL HOUSE   NO SHOOL NOR PICTURE of any kind CAN BE SEEN. On Aug 31, 2013, at 4:50 PM, anormal1@... [1] wrote: > _American Flyer Train RARE District School House Beautiful | eBay_ > (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-FLYER-TRAIN-RARE-DISTRICT-SCHOOL-HOUSE-BEAUTIFUL-/ [2] > 121168312044?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c3631b6ec) > > Here is a link to an E-Bay auction for a school house. You might get > the > seller to send a picture of the chimney, Mike > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:anormal1%40aol.com [2] http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-FLYER-TRAIN-RARE-DISTRICT-SCHOOL-HOUSE-BEAUTIFUL-/ [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJva3JvOHVpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjkxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODk3ODI-?act=reply&messageNum=72916 [4] mailto:alansmith@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3A%20%2350%20DISTRICT%20SCHOOL%20HOUSE [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3A%20%2350%20DISTRICT%20SCHOOL%20HOUSE [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcWxodnBtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODk3ODI- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72912;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bXBscjZlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjkxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODk3ODIEdHBjSWQDNzI5MTI- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZTQ4NzN0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzc3OTg5Nzgy [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjam1yZzF2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzc5ODk3ODI- [10] http://MyFlyerTrainsorg/gallery/ [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJicDU4ZXRiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3Nzk4OTc4Mg-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [16] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72923	From: rudypenne	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: Re: SCHOOL HOUSE

_American Flyer Train RARE District School House Beautiful | eBay_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-FLYER-TRAIN-RARE-DISTRICT-SCHOOL-HOUSE-BEAUTIFUL-/ 121168312044?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c3631b6ec) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72924	From: Paul	Date: 8/31/2013
Subject: try this link for the school #50

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xamerican+flyer+schoolhouse+50&_nkw=american+flyer+schoolhouse+50&_sacat=0&_from=R40 -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72925	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

On 8/31/2013 6:03 AM, mrstumpy@... wrote: > Well, it seems that someone at Yahoo has decided to undermine the > communications link many of us rely on. I'm on a few other lists and apparently one very big broken feature has to do with moderated lists. Apparently the moderator can no longer edit messages before passing them on. One list I'm on is looking at Google and possibly Facebook. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72926	From: alan smith	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Re: #50 DISTRICT SCHOOL HOUSE

Hey Guys, I have everything I need to try to reproduce the chimney. ( # 50 original chimney and a roof) Production studies under way at this time. Let's see what can be done here in a couple of weeks. Thanks to all for your help. Old Ohio Al On Aug 31, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Anormal1@... wrote: > _American Flyer Train RARE District School House Beautiful | eBay_ > (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERICAN-FLYER-TRAIN-RARE-DISTRICT-SCHOOL-HOUSE-BEAUTIFUL-/ > 121168312044?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c3631b6ec) > > Here is a link to an E-Bay auction for a school house. You might get > the > seller to send a picture of the chimney, Mike > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72927	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

Me too. In fact, I haven't noticed any change at all in reading and replying to messages. Could it be that those of us who use Yahoo as an email service are seeing something different than people on other email services are seeing? What exactly is it that has changed? Or is it just the moderator's interface that changed? Or does it have to do with searching the archives of messages? I haven't done any of that since the purported change took place. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 31, 2013, at 10:41 AM, anormal1@... wrote: > What am I missing???? It is very easy to reply to the group , as I'm doing. > Replies to the sender alone is just as easy. Mike > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72928	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Loser Format

Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems.   My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions.     I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot.  However, I have the largest selection of photos!   Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky!   I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change?   Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo.  It's a Hell of a mess!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72929	From: tennsgauger	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

I use an AOL address and normally access it through AOL. Are other AOL users noticing a difference. I do not. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 9/1/2013 9:55:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: Me too. In fact, I haven't noticed any change at all in reading and replying to messages. Could it be that those of us who use Yahoo as an email service are seeing something different than people on other email services are seeing? What exactly is it that has changed? Or is it just the moderator's interface that changed? Or does it have to do with searching the archives of messages? I haven't done any of that since the purported change took place. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 31, 2013, at 10:41 AM, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote: > What am I missing???? It is very easy to reply to the group , as I'm doing. > Replies to the sender alone is just as easy. Mike > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72930	From: traindavid	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Dial up not compatible with new format

I finally tried to go to the groups online, and the new format is so graphically oriented that my dial up connection cannot handle it. I am hoping when the new golf course/resort is built near me, that we will finally get real modern-world connections to the outside world. Construction is supposed to start later this year, so I figure one or two years away. AAAUGH! Guess I'll have to work on my trains instead of staring at this computer screen! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72931	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/1/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 1, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72932	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: CCT review of Flyonel SD70ACe

The CCT review of the current Flyonel SD70ACe indicates that at least in conventional mode it is not compatible with the MRC Pure Power Dual transformer. Has anyone else experienced this problem with the SD70ACe or any other new Flyonel locomotive? How about in Legacy mode using the MRC transformer as the power source? Our club's (BAAFC) modular layout uses this transformer for conventional power but to date no one has tried to run an SD70ACe on it. Kyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72933	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

Problem with Facebook is that it seems to engender superficial postings and comments. Serious discussion is harder to maintain.  Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:47:55 -0700 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] New Format is a LOSER!   On 8/31/2013 6:03 AM, mrstumpy@... [1] wrote: > Well, it seems that someone at Yahoo has decided to undermine the > communications link many of us rely on. I'm on a few other lists and apparently one very big broken feature has to do with moderated lists. Apparently the moderator can no longer edit messages before passing them on. One list I'm on is looking at Google and possibly Facebook. George Cohn ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcXRsNjZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjkyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzgwMzU0ODg-?act=reply&messageNum=72925 [3] mailto:gwcohn@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20New%20Format%20%20is%20a%20LOSER%21 [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20New%20Format%20%20is%20a%20LOSER%21 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaWswNDRkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgwMzU0ODg- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72909;_ylc=X3oDMTM0OWUybTNxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3MjkyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgwMzU0ODgEdHBjSWQDNzI5MDk- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMm1uN21wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzc4MDM1NDg4 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZGZhbzcwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgwMzU0ODg- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJib3FhMDBtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3ODAzNTQ4OA-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72934	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/1/2013
Subject: New project on STUMPY'S STATION!

Beginning this month on the STUMPY'S STATION portion of Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website we begin a new loco customizing project!�� Swing on over to http://myflyertrains.org for "Prairie Dog" Part One in which we back date and customize a common plastic Pacific into a 2-6-2 Prairie locomotive! � Enjoy! � Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72935	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

I use AOL also...Mike In a message dated 9/1/2013 5:46:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tennsgauge@... writes: I use an AOL address and normally access it through AOL. Are other AOL users noticing a difference. I do not. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 9/1/2013 9:55:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, _theupstairstrain@..._ (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) writes: Me too. In fact, I haven't noticed any change at all in reading and replying to messages. Could it be that those of us who use Yahoo as an email service are seeing something different than people on other email services are seeing? What exactly is it that has changed? Or is it just the moderator's interface that changed? Or does it have to do with searching the archives of messages? I haven't done any of that since the purported change took place. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 31, 2013, at 10:41 AM, __anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) wrote: > What am I missing???? It is very easy to reply to the group , as I'm doing. > Replies to the sender alone is just as easy. Mike > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72936	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: New project on STUMPY'S STATION!

Welcome back. So good to see that you are back to writing. Hopefully everything will continue to improve. I guess kit-bashing isn't a bad thing after all. Carey Carey Probst Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 9/1/2013 6:59 PM, mrstumpy@... wrote: > > Beginning this month on the STUMPY'S STATION portion of Chuck > Harrington's My Flyer Trains website we begin a new loco customizing > project!�� Swing on over to http://myflyertrains.org for "Prairie Dog" > Part One in which we back date and customize a common plastic Pacific > into a 2-6-2 Prairie locomotive! � Enjoy! � Stumpy in Ahia > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72937	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: I know not what course others may take

I have been reading with interest, all of the comments on this and other Yahoo groups about the changes.  I only read daily digests and so far they have not changed for me.  Well, today I tried to access my photos and noticed the photo page had changed.  I clicked on my album and waited over an hour to access my photos with no luck.  That is not a good thing.  So I will withhold judgement for now and see what happens.   If I am bothered too much by the changes I will leave.  I do not like the way facebook is run and I do not like the changes to ebay, so I have left both of those, and got on with my life.  And, my life has been fine without both of them.  If these changes do not bother other people (most people) then good for Yahoo.  But if most people get fed up and leave, then advertisers will take their money to other media and Yahoo groups will go out of business, and blame the government or someone else instead of their own stupidity.  But for right now, I will stay put and just read the daily digest. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72938	From: Dave	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: New Format is a LOSER!

If you receive and respond to individual Emails, via your PC based Email software, there is no difference. _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of anormal1@... Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Format is a LOSER! I use AOL also...Mike In a message dated 9/1/2013 5:46:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tennsgauge@... <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> writes: I use an AOL address and normally access it through AOL. Are other AOL users noticing a difference. I do not. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 9/1/2013 9:55:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, _theupstairstrain@... <mailto:_theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com> _ (mailto:theupstairstrain@... <mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com> ) writes: Me too. In fact, I haven't noticed any change at all in reading and replying to messages. Could it be that those of us who use Yahoo as an email service are seeing something different than people on other email services are seeing? What exactly is it that has changed? Or is it just the moderator's interface that changed? Or does it have to do with searching the archives of messages? I haven't done any of that since the purported change took place. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Aug 31, 2013, at 10:41 AM, __anormal1@... <mailto:__anormal1%40aol.com> _ (mailto:_anormal1@... <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com> ) _ (mailto:_anormal1@... <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com> _ (mailto:anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> ) ) wrote: > What am I missing???? It is very easy to reply to the group , as I'm doing. > Replies to the sender alone is just as easy. Mike > > Anormal1 Smoke Fluid > Michael Strickland > 211 Summit Ave > Medford, Ore > 97501 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72939	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: What New Format???

Hi All, The format has not changed for me. I can open all the files, photos, archives, messages, etc. lightning fast. But then again I have a download speed than runs from 105 - 130 Mbps. Upload runs from 10 - 20 Mbps. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72940	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Photos Posted - Restored 561 Billboard

Hi All, Tracie and I restored a pretty ratty looking 561 billboard. Luckily the mechanism worked fine and didn't need any attention. You can see the photos starting here: http://tinyurl.com/BG1-561-Billboard Have fun and check out more of the photos from all the Group members. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72941	From: richs009	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: Photos Posted - Restored 561 Billboard

David -- nice job.  What paint(s) did you use for the repainting?  Does your billboard have a light?  At least I assume that's what the slot in the base is for - my billboard has the slot but no lighting.  Maybe I'll look at adding a couple of LEDs and another wire... - Rich   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi All, Tracie and I restored a pretty ratty looking 561 billboard. Luckily the mechanism worked fine and didn't need any attention. You can see the photos starting here: http://tinyurl.com/BG1-561-Billboard Have fun and check out more of the photos from all the Group members. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72942	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

Using SeaMonkey and everything seems fine. Often these new formats are rolled out piece by piece to different groups of users and this creates confusion. Been getting a lot of bounce backs from AOL and AOL does not shake hands with BOL anymore. You tube account is fubar as far as I am concerned with weekly unannounced changes. All activity seems to have ceased on some Yahoo discussion groups. Cannot figure it except we the users seem to be of little importance to these corporate entities. Tony Cynor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72943	From: jhannawald	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: What New Format???

Is this new format causing me to not be able to view the Files? Jim From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] What New Format??? Hi All, The format has not changed for me. I can open all the files, photos, archives, messages, etc. lightning fast. But then again I have a download speed than runs from 105 - 130 Mbps. Upload runs from 10 - 20 Mbps. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72944	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: Photos Posted - Restored 561 Billboard

Rich, I use Krylon flat white and Valspar satin tropic foliage. Yes - this billboard has two lights. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <richs009@...> wrote: > > David -- nice job.  What paint(s) did you use for the repainting?  Does your billboard have a light?  At least I assume that's what the slot in the base is for - my billboard has the slot but no lighting.  Maybe I'll look at adding a couple of LEDs and another wire... > > - Rich >   > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, s-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Tracie and I restored a pretty ratty looking 561 billboard. Luckily the mechanism worked fine and didn't need any attention. You can see the photos starting here: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/BG1-561-Billboard > > > > Have fun and check out more of the photos from all the Group members. > > > > David >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72945	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/2/2013
Subject: Re: What New Format???

Only on the S group - may be a moderator rules problem. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 2 Sep 2013 15:08:22 -0400 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] What New Format???   Is this new format causing me to not be able to view the Files? Jim From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1] Subject: [S-Trains] What New Format??? Hi All, The format has not changed for me. I can open all the files, photos, archives, messages, etc. lightning fast. But then again I have a download speed than runs from 105 - 130 Mbps. Upload runs from 10 - 20 Mbps. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroupscom [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZWNjYWM1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3Mjk0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzgxNTc5ODI-?act=reply&messageNum=72943 [3] mailto:jhannawald@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20What%20New%20Format%3F%3F%3F [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20What%20New%20Format%3F%3F%3F [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYm05NWhkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgxNTc5ODI- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/72939;_ylc=X3oDMTM0a2dlbWRtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM3Mjk0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgxNTc5ODIEdHBjSWQDNzI5Mzk- [7] http://groupsyahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZ3VpMmRtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzc4MTU3OTgy [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY2FyZmEzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgxNTc5ODI- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidDdybXIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3ODE1Nzk4Mg-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [15] mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72946	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Re: What New Format???

Hi David,     Terrific job, a couple of questions? Did you use an air brush for the painting? What paints did you use? Where did you get the rivets for the sign? Thanks, Lou Baldi    --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi All, The format has not changed for me. I can open all the files, photos, archives, messages, etc. lightning fast. But then again I have a download speed than runs from 105 - 130 Mbps. Upload runs from 10 - 20 Mbps. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72947	From: poniaj	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

Arrrrrgh!  This format is more than a loser, it sucks big time!  I've seen multiple replies to posts, and many posts quoted ad nauseum.  Just because you see a certain number of replies, doesn't mean that there are actually than many replies.  And it CERTAINLY isn't user friendly! Wayne B, like many folks, quit eBay and Face-something-or-other.  I submit that if everyone who dislikes this format quits, then Yahoo might see that new isn't always better.  But this forum has been great fun and a great resource for many of us, besides giving us a good place to simply keep up with our fellow train guys.  My big question, though, is where else can we go?  Many of us belong to multiple groups, and they're all the same if they're sponsored by Yahoo.  The O Gauge forum is a good alternative, but will folks actually go there?  They DO have an S gauge sub section.  Not as easily navigated as the old formatted Yahoo, but not bad.  Certainly better than the present Yahoo sites.  And the guys there are many of those here, in addition to a few more.  Has everyone seen the number of "dislikes" compared to the "likes" for the New And Improved Yahoo ?  I'd send a link, or instructions, but 1) it's not as easy as before, and 2) I can't remember how to get to it again! Jerry Getting Fed Up In Wayne, MI --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems.   My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions.     I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot.  However, I have the largest selection of photos!   Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky!   I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change?   Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo.  It's a Hell of a mess!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72948	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

Jerry, you are correct. I belong to several yahoo train groups and can not even open the links or photos. All the moderators need to address the issues with Yahoo. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:24 PM, <poniaj@...> wrote: > Arrrrrgh! This format is more than a loser, it sucks big time! I've seen multiple replies to posts, and many posts quoted ad nauseum. Just because you see a certain number of replies, doesn't mean that there are actually than many replies. And it CERTAINLY isn't user friendly! > > Wayne B, like many folks, quit eBay and Face-something-or-other. I submit that if everyone who dislikes this format quits, then Yahoo might see that new isn't always better. But this forum has been great fun and a great resource for many of us, besides giving us a good place to simply keep up with our fellow train guys. My big question, though, is where else can we go? Many of us belong to multiple groups, and they're all the same if they're sponsored by Yahoo. The O Gauge forum is a good alternative, but will folks actually go there? They DO have an S gauge sub section. Not as easily navigated as the old formatted Yahoo, but not bad. Certainly better than the present Yahoo sites. And the guys there are many of those here, in addition to a few more. > > Has everyone seen the number of "dislikes" compared to the "likes" for the New And Improved Yahoo ? I'd send a link, or instructions, but 1) it's not as easy as before, and 2) I can't remember how to get to it again! > > Jerry Getting Fed Up In Wayne, MI > > > --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems. My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions. I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot. However, I have the largest selection of photos! Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky! I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change? Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo. It's a Hell of a mess! Stumpy in Ahia > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72949	From: ThomasH	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Don't think so, wuz Re: "New Format is a LOSER!"

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > On 8/31/2013 6:03 AM, mrstumpy@... wrote: > > Well, it seems that someone at Yahoo has decided to undermine the > > communications link many of us rely on. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the first time I've ever tried to reply to the group via the web site rather than thru the e-mail format, and it seems to work. I can change or modify the subject line, I can send it to the whole group or the individual writer, and I don't have to retransmit all the text of the original message. At one point the site says "10 most recent pictures here" and when I click I only get nine. Not sure if that's a problem or not. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72950	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: New Format - What's New???

All, I am a member of a number of groups both train related and not. I have not seen any change on my end period. I can access all of the features of each site the same as "before". If not for people complaining about this "new format" I wouldn't have known anything about it. I have seen absolutely NO CHANGE. I have always gone to Yahoo, logged into email, read my mail, then opened the Groups. I know some of you access the Groups through digests or emails or some other method so I can't comment on any of those. But the plain and simple way I use has not changed at all in over 10 years. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72951	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Re: Answering Billboard Questions

Lou, I have an air brush, but used rattle cans for painting the billboard. I used Krylon flat white for the billboard frame and Valspar satin foliage green for the base and housing. The Valspar is a very close match to the original paint on the inside of the housing. I checked around for brass or copper rivets similar to the originals to mount the billboard frame, but did not find any. So I decided to just use aluminum pop rivets since I already had some. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <lou342ac@...> wrote: > >  Hi David,     Terrific job, a couple of questions? Did you use an air brush for the painting? What paints did you use? Where did you get the rivets for the sign? Thanks, Lou Baldi > >    > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, s-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > The format has not changed for me. I can open all the files, photos, archives, messages, etc. lightning fast. But then again I have a download speed than runs from 105 - 130 Mbps. Upload runs from 10 - 20 Mbps. > > > > David >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72952	From: rick gough	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: Re: Photos Posted - Restored 561 Billboard

Maybe easier to find for the light green is: Krylon 2927 FERN.  It is very close to original.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 4:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Photos Posted - Restored 561 Billboard   Rich, I use Krylon flat white and Valspar satin tropic foliage. Yes - this billboard has two lights. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <richs009@...> wrote: > > David -- nice job.  What paint(s) did you use for the repainting?  Does your billboard have a light?  At least I assume that's what the slot in the base is for - my billboard has the slot but no lighting.  Maybe I'll look at adding a couple of LEDs and another wire... > > - Rich >   > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, s-trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Tracie and I restored a pretty ratty looking 561 billboard. Luckily the mechanism worked fine and didn't need any attention. You can see the photos starting here: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/BG1-561-Billboard > > > > Have fun and check out more of the photos from all the Group members. > > > > David > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72953	From: bstilesaf	Date: 9/3/2013
Subject: AF Circus GIRAFFE wagon?!?

Diane's Attic has produced a reproduction circus wagon based on the early version wagons with a giraffe load! There is no roof and the giraffe's head sticks up above the wagon sides. The only "prototype" for this wagon that I know of is on Bob Board's All Aboard layout in Lancaster, PA. According to his recollection, he bought it with an auction lot many years ago and has never seen another like it. For all purposes, it appears to have been a factory produced item. Enter Diane who is really making unique circus loads...and now a repro of the giraffe wagon! I contacted her and ordered my set (she sells out this set on eBay) and she told me this will be a very limited run...about 20 giraffes or so, so if you want one, you better contact her soon!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72954	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/4/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

I just found the O gauge groups and joined.  I will give it a few weeks to see if it is better than the new Yahoo.  I still cannot get to my own photos. Wayne  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  Arrrrrgh!  This format is more than a loser, it sucks big time!  I've seen multiple replies to posts, and many posts quoted ad nauseum.  Just because you see a certain number of replies, doesn't mean that there are actually than many replies.  And it CERTAINLY isn't user friendly! Wayne B, like many folks, quit eBay and Face-something-or-other.  I submit that if everyone who dislikes this format quits, then Yahoo might see that new isn't always better.  But this forum has been great fun and a great resource for many of us, besides giving us a good place to simply keep up with our fellow train guys.  My big question, though, is where else can we go?  Many of us belong to multiple groups, and they're all the same if they're sponsored by Yahoo.  The O Gauge forum is a good alternative, but will folks actually go there?  They DO have an S gauge sub section.  Not as easily navigated as the old formatted Yahoo, but not bad.  Certainly better than the present Yahoo sites.  And the guys there are many of those here, in addition to a few more.  Has everyone seen the number of "dislikes" compared to the "likes" for the New And Improved Yahoo ?  I'd send a link, or instructions, but 1) it's not as easy as before, and 2) I can't remember how to get to it again! Jerry Getting Fed Up In Wayne, MI --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems.   My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions.     I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot.  However, I have the largest selection of photos!   Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky!   I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change?   Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo.  It's a Hell of a mess!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72955	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/4/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

This should tell people something.  Jerry is usually laid back about everything.  I plan to look into the O gauge forum, S gauge subsection.  I did not know about that. Wayne  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  Arrrrrgh!  This format is more than a loser, it sucks big time!  I've seen multiple replies to posts, and many posts quoted ad nauseum.  Just because you see a certain number of replies, doesn't mean that there are actually than many replies.  And it CERTAINLY isn't user friendly! Wayne B, like many folks, quit eBay and Face-something-or-other.  I submit that if everyone who dislikes this format quits, then Yahoo might see that new isn't always better.  But this forum has been great fun and a great resource for many of us, besides giving us a good place to simply keep up with our fellow train guys.  My big question, though, is where else can we go?  Many of us belong to multiple groups, and they're all the same if they're sponsored by Yahoo.  The O Gauge forum is a good alternative, but will folks actually go there?  They DO have an S gauge sub section.  Not as easily navigated as the old formatted Yahoo, but not bad.  Certainly better than the present Yahoo sites.  And the guys there are many of those here, in addition to a few more.  Has everyone seen the number of "dislikes" compared to the "likes" for the New And Improved Yahoo ?  I'd send a link, or instructions, but 1) it's not as easy as before, and 2) I can't remember how to get to it again! Jerry Getting Fed Up In Wayne, MI --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems.   My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions.     I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot.  However, I have the largest selection of photos!   Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky!   I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change?   Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo.  It's a Hell of a mess!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72956	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 9/4/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

Wayne,      It seams as though the only systems that are affected are the older ones such as XP and or dial up subscribers. We up-graded to Windows 7 and have no trouble. Remember XP has no support any more. Dave From: "beachy3929@..." <beachy3929@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 7:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: RE: Loser Format   This should tell people something.  Jerry is usually laid back about everything.  I plan to look into the O gauge forum, S gauge subsection.  I did not know about that. Wayne  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  Arrrrrgh!  This format is more than a loser, it sucks big time!  I've seen multiple replies to posts, and many posts quoted ad nauseum.  Just because you see a certain number of replies, doesn't mean that there are actually than many replies.  And it CERTAINLY isn't user friendly! Wayne B, like many folks, quit eBay and Face-something-or-other.  I submit that if everyone who dislikes this format quits, then Yahoo might see that new isn't always better.  But this forum has been great fun and a great resource for many of us, besides giving us a good place to simply keep up with our fellow train guys.  My big question, though, is where else can we go?  Many of us belong to multiple groups, and they're all the same if they're sponsored by Yahoo.  The O Gauge forum is a good alternative, but will folks actually go there?  They DO have an S gauge sub section.  Not as easily navigated as the old formatted Yahoo, but not bad.  Certainly better than the present Yahoo sites.  And the guys there are many of those here, in addition to a few more.  Has everyone seen the number of "dislikes" compared to the "likes" for the New And Improved Yahoo ?  I'd send a link, or instructions, but 1) it's not as easy as before, and 2) I can't remember how to get to it again! Jerry Getting Fed Up In Wayne, MI --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems.   My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions.     I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot.  However, I have the largest selection of photos!   Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky!   I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change?   Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo.  It's a Hell of a mess!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72957	From: herbw202	Date: 9/4/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

I have been on it for almost a year. Not too duplicative. Herb W.   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: This should tell people something.  Jerry is usually laid back about everything.  I plan to look into the O gauge forum, S gauge subsection.  I did not know about that. Wayne  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  Arrrrrgh!  This format is more than a loser, it sucks big time!  I've seen multiple replies to posts, and many posts quoted ad nauseum.  Just because you see a certain number of replies, doesn't mean that there are actually than many replies.  And it CERTAINLY isn't user friendly! Wayne B, like many folks, quit eBay and Face-something-or-other.  I submit that if everyone who dislikes this format quits, then Yahoo might see that new isn't always better.  But this forum has been great fun and a great resource for many of us, besides giving us a good place to simply keep up with our fellow train guys.  My big question, though, is where else can we go?  Many of us belong to multiple groups, and they're all the same if they're sponsored by Yahoo.  The O Gauge forum is a good alternative, but will folks actually go there?  They DO have an S gauge sub section.  Not as easily navigated as the old formatted Yahoo, but not bad.  Certainly better than the present Yahoo sites.  And the guys there are many of those here, in addition to a few more.  Has everyone seen the number of "dislikes" compared to the "likes" for the New And Improved Yahoo ?  I'd send a link, or instructions, but 1) it's not as easy as before, and 2) I can't remember how to get to it again! Jerry Getting Fed Up In Wayne, MI --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems.   My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions.     I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot.  However, I have the largest selection of photos!   Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky!   I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change?   Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo.  It's a Hell of a mess!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72958	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/4/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

It's not just :"old" operating systems like XP.  I have two computers, one only months old which had the last Windows 7 system installed.  My "older" computer (three years) has Windows 7 Professional.  NEITHER  will operate the new format.   My wife bought a Galaxy and it won't work the new format either.  As a moderator of two slot car Yahoo Groups, I cannot do ANY "moderating,"  other than posting as anyone else could,   I'm now locked out of my own Groups!   A friend in one of the slot car Groups has Firefox and HE had to change the Group "cover picture" for me!  What's the point of having a Yahoo Group if Yahoo makes it impossible to operate?    Somebody at Yahoo didn't think this thing through before putting out.  They screwed up, pure and simple by NOT making the new format universally compatible with all popular operating systems and servers.  This is like making new automobiles 12 feet wide so they aren't compatible with the highway lanes!   Sorry folks, I may be old, but I "call like I see 'em!"   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72959	From: poniaj	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

If anybody can read this reply, I'll be surprised.  For those of you who thinks it's only on old operating systems, that's not true.  I have Windows 7 with all the current upgrades and notifications.  I also use Firefox as my browser with WOW as my provider.  Fairly common stuff.  I don't use the digest mode, or have messages sent to my regular email address.  So those of you who see no difference, I think Stumpy is right.  The Yahoo's screwed up by not making their format compatible with all types of browsers and operating systems.  And if the moderators cannot access things, what's the point of having them?   I can take "new" when it makes sense and actually improves things, but this does neither.  I don't have time to mess around with a computer all day to try to figure it out.   After all, I have trains to run, and a hot rod to have fun with! Jerry --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: It's not just :"old" operating systems like XP.  I have two computers, one only months old which had the last Windows 7 system installed.  My "older" computer (three years) has Windows 7 Professional.  NEITHER  will operate the new format.   My wife bought a Galaxy and it won't work the new format either.  As a moderator of two slot car Yahoo Groups, I cannot do ANY "moderating,"  other than posting as anyone else could,   I'm now locked out of my own Groups!   A friend in one of the slot car Groups has Firefox and HE had to change the Group "cover picture" for me!  What's the point of having a Yahoo Group if Yahoo makes it impossible to operate?    Somebody at Yahoo didn't think this thing through before putting out.  They screwed up, pure and simple by NOT making the new format universally compatible with all popular operating systems and servers.  This is like making new automobiles 12 feet wide so they aren't compatible with the highway lanes!   Sorry folks, I may be old, but I "call like I see 'em!"   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72960	From: herbw202	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

I'm getting used to it and now am starting  to like it. I had some trouble with uploading pics, but have now gotten the hang of it.  think seniors (I am one) hve more trouble than  younger people. There s a learning curve and Yahoo could have done a better job in explaining he changes.Hope you are feeling better. Herb Wasserman   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: It's not just :"old" operating systems like XP.  I have two computers, one only months old which had the last Windows 7 system installed.  My "older" computer (three years) has Windows 7 Professional.  NEITHER  will operate the new format.   My wife bought a Galaxy and it won't work the new format either.  As a moderator of two slot car Yahoo Groups, I cannot do ANY "moderating,"  other than posting as anyone else could,   I'm now locked out of my own Groups!   A friend in one of the slot car Groups has Firefox and HE had to change the Group "cover picture" for me!  What's the point of having a Yahoo Group if Yahoo makes it impossible to operate?    Somebody at Yahoo didn't think this thing through before putting out.  They screwed up, pure and simple by NOT making the new format universally compatible with all popular operating systems and servers.  This is like making new automobiles 12 feet wide so they aren't compatible with the highway lanes!   Sorry folks, I may be old, but I "call like I see 'em!"   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72961	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Train Sets

Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set?  I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72962	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

I have had absolutely no problems. I use IE, Windows 7, get this only in digest form, and have a Yahoo account. If it were not for this forum, I would not even know there were any problems.   Joe   Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72963	From: G C	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6170

Stumpy mentioned Firefox. I use it and find it to be quite useful It is free and simple to download. You can still keep IE on your computer, but will find Firefox more useful for saving images etc. to your computer. Gene Cimino From: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 6170 S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-Trains Group 7 New Messages Digest #6170 1a Re: Loser Format by rapidrail1 1b Re: Loser Format by rapidrail1 1c Re: Loser Format by "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" reujan2000 1d Re: Loser Format by herbw202 1e Re: Loser Format by mrstumpy50 1f Re: Loser Format by poniaj 1g Re: Loser Format by herbw202 Messages 1a Re: Loser Format Wed Sep 4, 2013 12:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by: rapidrail1 I just found the O gauge groups and joined. I will give it a few weeks to see if it is better than the new Yahoo. I still cannot get to my own photos. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com> wrote: Arrrrrgh! This format is more than a loser, it sucks big time! I've seen multiple replies to posts, and many posts quoted ad nauseum. Just because you see a certain number of replies, doesn't mean that there are actually than many replies. And it CERTAINLY isn't user friendly! Wayne B, like many folks, quit eBay and Face-something- or-other. I submit that if everyone who dislikes this format quits, then Yahoo might see that new isn't always better. But this forum has been great fun and a great resource for many of us, besides giving us a good place to simply keep up with our fellow train guys. My big question, though, is where else can we go? Many of us belong to multiple groups, and they're all the same if they're sponsored by Yahoo. The O Gauge forum is a good alternative, but will folks actually go there? They DO have an S gauge sub section. Not as easily navigated as the old formatted Yahoo, but not bad. Certainly better than the present Yahoo sites. And the guys there are many of those here, in addition to a few more. Has everyone seen the number of "dislikes" ; compared to the "likes" for the New And Improved Yahoo ? I'd send a link, or instructions, but 1) it's not as easy as before, and 2) I can't remember how to get to it again! Jerry Getting Fed Up In Wayne, MI --- In s-trains@yahoogroup s.com, <mrstumpy@ ...> wrote: Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems. My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions. I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot. However, I have the largest selection of photos! Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky! I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change? Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo. It's a Hell of a mess! Stumpy in Ahia Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (11) . Top ^ 1b Re: Loser Format Wed Sep 4, 2013 12:50 pm (PDT) . Posted by: rapidrail1 This should tell people something. Jerry is usually laid back about everything. I plan to look into the O gauge forum, S gauge subsection. I did not know about that. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com> wrote: Arrrrrgh! This format is more than a loser, it sucks big time! I've seen multiple replies to posts, and many posts quoted ad nauseum. Just because you see a certain number of replies, doesn't mean that there are actually than many replies. And it CERTAINLY isn't user friendly! Wayne B, like many folks, quit eBay and Face-something- or-other. I submit that if everyone who dislikes this format quits, then Yahoo might see that new isn't always better. But this forum has been great fun and a great resource for many of us, besides giving us a good place to simply keep up with our fellow train guys. My big question, though, is where else can we go? Many of us belong to multiple groups, and they're all the same if they're sponsored by Yahoo. The O Gauge forum is a good alternative, but will folks actually go there? They DO have an S gauge sub section. Not as easily navigated as the old formatted Yahoo, but not bad. Certainly better than the present Yahoo sites. And the guys there are many of those here, in addition to a few more. Has everyone seen the number of "dislikes" ; compared to the "likes" for the New And Improved Yahoo ? I'd send a link, or instructions, but 1) it's not as easy as before, and 2) I can't remember how to get to it again! Jerry Getting Fed Up In Wayne, MI --- In s-trains@yahoogroup s.com, <mrstumpy@ ...> wrote: Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems. My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions. I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot. However, I have the largest selection of photos! Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky! I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change? Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo. It's a Hell of a mess! Stumpy in Ahia Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (11) . Top ^ 1c Re: Loser Format Wed Sep 4, 2013 4:05 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" reujan2000 Wayne,      It seams as though the only systems that are affected are the older ones such as XP and or dial up subscribers. We up-graded to Windows 7 and have no trouble. Remember XP has no support any more. Dave ____________ _________ _________ __ From: "beachy3929@comcast. net" <beachy3929@comcast. net> To: S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 7:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: RE: Loser Format   This should tell people something.  Jerry is usually laid back about everything.  I plan to look into the O gauge forum, S gauge subsection.  I did not know about that. Wayne  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com> wrote:  Arrrrrgh!  This format is more than a loser, it sucks big time!  I've seen multiple replies to posts, and many posts quoted ad nauseum.  Just because you see a certain number of replies, doesn't mean that there are actually than many replies.  And it CERTAINLY isn't user friendly! Wayne B, like many folks, quit eBay and Face-something- or-other.  I submit that if everyone who dislikes this format quits, then Yahoo might see that new isn't always better.  But this forum has been great fun and a great resource for many of us, besides giving us a good place to simply keep up with our fellow train guys.  My big question, though, is where else can we go?  Many of us belong to multiple groups, and they're all the same if they're sponsored by Yahoo.  The O Gauge forum is a good alternative, but will folks actually go there?  They DO have an S gauge sub section.  Not as easily navigated as the old formatted Yahoo, but not bad.  Certainly better than the present Yahoo sites.  And the guys there are many of those here, in addition to a few more.  Has everyone seen the number of "dislikes" ; compared to the "likes" for the New And Improved Yahoo ?  I'd send a link, or instructions, but 1) it's not as easy as before, and 2) I can't remember how to get to it again! Jerry Getting Fed Up In Wayne, MI --- In s-trains@yahoogroup s.com, <mrstumpy@ ...> wrote: > >Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems.   My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions.     I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot.  However, I have the largest selection of photos!   Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky!   I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change?   Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo.  It's a Hell of a mess!   Stumpy in Ahia Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (11) . Top ^ 1d Re: Loser Format Wed Sep 4, 2013 4:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by: herbw202 I have been on it for almost a year. Not too duplicative. Herb W. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com> wrote: This should tell people something. Jerry is usually laid back about everything. I plan to look into the O gauge forum, S gauge subsection. I did not know about that. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com> wrote: Arrrrrgh! This format is more than a loser, it sucks big time! I've seen multiple replies to posts, and many posts quoted ad nauseum. Just because you see a certain number of replies, doesn't mean that there are actually than many replies. And it CERTAINLY isn't user friendly! Wayne B, like many folks, quit eBay and Face-something- or-other. I submit that if everyone who dislikes this format quits, then Yahoo might see that new isn't always better. But this forum has been great fun and a great resource for many of us, besides giving us a good place to simply keep up with our fellow train guys. My big question, though, is where else can we go? Many of us belong to multiple groups, and they're all the same if they're sponsored by Yahoo. The O Gauge forum is a good alternative, but will folks actually go there? They DO have an S gauge sub section. Not as easily navigated as the old formatted Yahoo, but not bad. Certainly better than the present Yahoo sites. And the guys there are many of those here, in addition to a few more. Has everyone seen the number of "dislikes" ; compared to the "likes" for the New And Improved Yahoo ? I'd send a link, or instructions, but 1) it's not as easy as before, and 2) I can't remember how to get to it again! Jerry Getting Fed Up In Wayne, MI --- In s-trains@yahoogroup s.com, <mrstumpy@ ...> wrote: Apparently, the new Yahoo format looks and works differently to different systems. My Internet Explorer, running through Comcast won't allow me to do some of the functions. I co-moderate an HO racing Yahoo group with another guy and his works fine to post "cover page" photos, while I cannot. However, I have the largest selection of photos! Meanwhile, many other members of the group can't find follow up messages, and some cannot post messages. So it appears that if the new format works for you, you're lucky! I wonder why Yahoo didn't fix the problems such as SPAMMERS and Hacker attacks and other technical problems in the old format rather than drag us all through this change? Meanwhile, in the slot car racing club I'm in, there are e-mails for us to find a new place to go to communicate and abandon Yahoo. It's a Hell of a mess! Stumpy in Ahia Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (11) . Top ^ 1e Re: Loser Format Wed Sep 4, 2013 8:31 pm (PDT) . Posted by: mrstumpy50 It's not just :"old" operating systems like XP. I have two computers, one only months old which had the last Windows 7 system installed. My "older" computer (three years) has Windows 7 Professional. NEITHER will operate the new format. My wife bought a Galaxy and it won't work the new format either. As a moderator of two slot car Yahoo Groups, I cannot do ANY "moderating, " other than posting as anyone else could, I'm now locked out of my own Groups! A friend in one of the slot car Groups has Firefox and HE had to change the Group "cover picture" for me! What's the point of having a Yahoo Group if Yahoo makes it impossible to operate? Somebody at Yahoo didn't think this thing through before putting out. They screwed up, pure and simple by NOT making the new format universally compatible with all popular operating systems and servers. This is like making new automobiles 12 feet wide so they aren't compatible with the highway lanes! Sorry folks, I may be old, but I "call like I see 'em!" Stumpy in Ahia Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (11) . Top ^ 1f Re: Loser Format Thu Sep 5, 2013 3:57 am (PDT) . Posted by: poniaj If anybody can read this reply, I'll be surprised. For those of you who thinks it's only on old operating systems, that's not true. I have Windows 7 with all the current upgrades and notifications. I also use Firefox as my browser with WOW as my provider. Fairly common stuff. I don't use the digest mode, or have messages sent to my regular email address. So those of you who see no difference, I think Stumpy is right. The Yahoo's screwed up by not making their format compatible with all types of browsers and operating systems. And if the moderators cannot access things, what's the point of having them? I can take "new" when it makes sense and actually improves things, but this does neither. I don't have time to mess around with a computer all day to try to figure it out. After all, I have trains to run, and a hot rod to have fun with! Jerry --- In s-trains@yahoogroup s.com, <mrstumpy@ ...> wrote: It's not just :"old" operating systems like XP. I have two computers, one only months old which had the last Windows 7 system installed. My "older" computer (three years) has Windows 7 Professional. NEITHER will operate the new format. My wife bought a Galaxy and it won't work the new format either. As a moderator of two slot car Yahoo Groups, I cannot do ANY "moderating, " other than posting as anyone else could, I'm now locked out of my own Groups! A friend in one of the slot car Groups has Firefox and HE had to change the Group "cover picture" for me! What's the point of having a Yahoo Group if Yahoo makes it impossible to operate? Somebody at Yahoo didn't think this thing through before putting out. They screwed up, pure and simple by NOT making the new format universally compatible with all popular operating systems and servers. This is like making new automobiles 12 feet wide so they aren't compatible with the highway lanes! Sorry folks, I may be old, but I "call like I see 'em!" Stumpy in Ahia Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (11) . Top ^ 1g Re: Loser Format Thu Sep 5, 2013 3:57 am (PDT) . Posted by: herbw202 I'm getting used to it and now am starting to like it. I had some trouble with uploading pics, but have now gotten the hang of it. think seniors (I am one) hve more trouble than younger people. There s a learning curve and Yahoo could have done a better job in explaining he changes.Hope you are feeling better. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroup s.com, <s-trains@yahoogroup s.com> wrote: It's not just :"old" operating systems like XP. I have two computers, one only months old which had the last Windows 7 system installed. My "older" computer (three years) has Windows 7 Professional. NEITHER will operate the new format. My wife bought a Galaxy and it won't work the new format either. As a moderator of two slot car Yahoo Groups, I cannot do ANY "moderating, " other than posting as anyone else could, I'm now locked out of my own Groups! A friend in one of the slot car Groups has Firefox and HE had to change the Group "cover picture" for me! What's the point of having a Yahoo Group if Yahoo makes it impossible to operate? Somebody at Yahoo didn't think this thing through before putting out. They screwed up, pure and simple by NOT making the new format universally compatible with all popular operating systems and servers. This is like making new automobiles 12 feet wide so they aren't compatible with the highway lanes! Sorry folks, I may be old, but I "call like I see 'em!" Stumpy in Ahia Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (11) . Top ^ Visit Your Group >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72964	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Loser Format

Hi guys, I guess I just don't see the problem here. I have an older PC with Windows XP professional that was custom made for me about eight years ago and do not seem to have any of the problems mentioned here. On another subject. On a visit to my hardware store Monday, I was pleased to find a new offering that works for S Gauge. Besides the normal offerings from Ertl etc. I found a set of My Little Ponies that are the same size as the Ertl horses, but a lot better colors. One is of a jumping horse with a clear base that makes it look great going over the fence. The entire set of five or six was only $6.00. Bud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72965	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

You can contact the seller on E bay and add a comment or ask a question(s).  Frank Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2013, at 4:03 AM, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote:   Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set?  I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72966	From: zemouse2001	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

Jeepers, this is just a 'free market' thing. Frankly anyone who gets into anything (e.g. financial, collectibles, model trains, old cars, etc) without knowing what the heck you are doing - well, you are quite likely to get a lesson in economics. And it won't be a nice lesson. Let the buyer beware. And, no, I don't think there is anything (or at least not much of anything) that can be done about it. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri 'plenty of 'burn marks' from my lifetime of experience' --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set?� I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. > > James Davidson >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72967	From: EDWARD	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: New Format, from a moderator

I received permission to post this from Pieter Roos, co-owner S-Scale list. The only thing I have actually seen is the home page introductory change with the picture size and commentary being compressed with messages below. I am using Windows 7 and Comcast Infinity with no problems at this time. Ed Eckert moderator Hello All; We continue to hear from folks about problems with the new Yahoo format. None of the moderators have yet been switched, so we can't really help you navigate it except to post notes from other sources (the accuracy of which we can't confirm ...). Remember, this time the change applies to users rather than whole groups. Either all your groups show the change to you, or none (so we can't readily compare functionality). I would suggest that anyone who relies on reading the post on the web, switch to email NOW; at least until the situation clarifies. If you cannot use your current email (because it's work related or has a very limited number of messages allowed in queue), get one of the free accounts from Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail etc. and get the posts directed to that mail account. I say do it now, because I do not know the impact that the changes will have on our moderator abilities and we may not be able to help you make the switch in a timely fashion once the update hits our accounts. I don't know if this will be a permanent change that gets debugged, or if will follow the path of the last "upgrade" which was supposedly irrevocable until Yahoo faced enough push-back that they magically discovered the "undo" feature. Pieter Roos, Yahoo S Scale list co-owner.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72968	From: alan smith	Date: 9/5/2013
Subject: Fwd: for ole Stumpy's delight

Guys,      Stumpy's  pleasure gone wild  by another old guy.    Stumpy asked that I share these.   Alan   Subject: Fwd: for ole Stumpy's delight  Hey Stumpy, I'm glad your re-piping project fixed you up. I have attached a few projects of mine - just to say  - YOUR Passion rubs off on Lots of folks. * The first two Pix are the Propane tankers made from PVC fittings , stainless hardware cloth  is used for ladders and catwalks - the tank saddles ate cut out by laser.  *  Just one of  my the side door caboose( patterned off of a Aberdeen and Rockfish caboose in NC). *   B & O caboose with lanterns aglow via Fiber optics with a drilled hole and inserting the fiber to make them glow. * Old  wounded Plastic tank car frame {modified} -- I make the bunkers and cable tie downs - the bunkers are plastic welded down to the skeleton frame. Logs are      Butterfly bush branches stained. * Porkopolis Reefer is a renovated IC reefer car * Devils fork coal is a renovated 640 * 303 is bashed with front couplers fitting and linkage-- Fiber marker lite ( got a little carried away and made the poling pocket glow as well)     Tender is a Marx shell cut down to 3/16  size and mounted on the original 303 frame. It has LED marker and back up light. * The Landscape Store is a five digit caboose with added windows, chimney, hand railing, it has lighting as well.  * Porkopolis live stock car is a renovated Missouri car. * Rolling stock wheel load car- Old wheels from Portline mounted on a slotted aluminum bar.  Slots cut Via water jet.   *  Side door caboose with sliding side door     *  Special long flatcar for refinery tower load ( two 625 frames connected)   More  bashing stuff coming soon! Keep up your bashing projects -- I find it's good for the soul, mind and body !! Alan Begin forwarded message: From: alan smith <alansmith@...> Date: September 2, 2013 8:24:31 PM EDT To: Alan Smith <alansmith@...> Subject: for ole stumpy's delight Bashing --- from trash to treasure.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72969	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

Hello James,what can you do.You can point it out to the person selling the item but you can not force them to change there listing.Mark From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 6:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets   Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set?  I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72970	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

why not.  who was doing it?  Martytrain or something like that.  Him you can not contact.  so report it.  Have you asked a question to the seller? ---------- Original Message ---------- From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT)   Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set?  I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks.   James Davidson     ____________________________________________________________ One Weird Trick Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… newsmax.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72971	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: for ole Stumpy's delight

Least it's trains and not another whinge about the new format. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: "S gauge Yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 00:35:09 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Fwd: for ole Stumpy's delight     Guys,      Stumpy's  pleasure gone wild  by another old guy.    Stumpy asked that I share these.   Alan   Subject: Fwd: for ole Stumpy's delight  Hey Stumpy, I'm glad your re-piping project fixed you up I have attached a few projects of mine - just to say  - YOUR Passion rubs off on Lots of folks. * The first two Pix are the Propane tankers made from PVC fittings , stainless hardware cloth  is used for ladders and catwalks - the tank saddles ate cut out by laser.  *  Just one of  my the side door caboose( patterned off of a Aberdeen and Rockfish caboose in NC). *   B & O caboose with lanterns aglow via Fiber optics with a drilled hole and inserting the fiber to make them glow. * Old  wounded Plastic tank car frame {modified} -- I make the bunkers and cable tie downs - the bunkers are plastic welded down to the skeleton frame. Logs are      Butterfly bush branches stained. * Porkopolis Reefer is a renovated IC reefer car * Devils fork coal is a renovated 640 * 303 is bashed with front couplers fitting and linkage-- Fiber marker lite ( got a little carried away and made the poling pocket glow as well)     Tender is a Marx shell cut down to 3/16  size and mounted on the original 303 frame. It has LED marker and back up light. * The Landscape Store is a five digit caboose with added windows, chimney, hand railing, it has lighting as well.  * Porkopolis live stock car is a renovated Missouri car. * Rolling stock wheel load car- Old wheels from Portline mounted on a slotted aluminum bar.  Slots cut Via water jet.   *  Side door caboose with sliding side door     *  Special long flatcar for refinery tower load ( two 625 frames connected)   More  bashing stuff coming soon! Keep up your bashing projects -- I find it's good for the soul, mind and body !! Alan Begin forwarded message: From: alan smith <alansmith@...> Date: September 2, 2013 8:24:31 PM EDT To: Alan Smith <alansmith@...> Subject: for ole stumpy's delight Bashing --- from trash to treasure.        ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72972	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Fwd: How to Return to the Old Yahoo Format

Just got this from another group.  Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org Begin forwarded message: For all that have been NEOed by Yahoo and miss the old format, there is a fix. This only works with Firefox browser. http://ehibbert.org.uk/extension/install.html I have been using it for a few days and it is working fine.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72973	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > ____________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72974	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: New: STUMPY'S MACHINE starts today

Well folks, I'm adding a new dimension to my writing ventures with a brand new website at a new location called STUMPY'S MACHINE.   This new venture will focus upon machines, their history, the people involved, and the hobbies that grew from them.  Mostly cars and trains, there will also be aircraft and other things as well as time passes.   The new website allows me to add art and photos to articles and also add special Feature stories on it from time to time, quite a step up from my previous web adventures.  Each Friday, a new article will be added and posted on a separate page on the site.  (So far there IS only one page!)   This week I comment upon the state of our hobbies on Page 1.  You can reach the new site easily by going to  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  .  I hope you'll come to enjoy these weekly missives and will "save" the address to look in on it every Friday.   Stumpy Stone in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72975	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

Information for those who do not have a American Flyer train set list, Bob Tuft's book on sets is a good source to start with.   Harwood -----Original Message----- From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 12:03 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72976	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of..... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72977	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 9/6/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

The difference would be giving a noterised statement that its a correct AF sold set, with the set given to the club we could not confirm that it was a set being that the grandfather had passed away who owned the set, like you said you purchased a box to return your set to orginal, but that in real antiques purchase it should come with a noterised  statement otherwise the purchaser cannot verify what he is getting that someone purchased the box and put together the set from different sale events are even buying the individual cars on ebay, Myself if I would spend more than 1000 on a set I would ask for the noterised comitment from the seller otherwise I would not purchase, lets face with big money comes scamers who will have no problem selling something like this, and more on the rare sets that bring even more money/ I have a rocket set ie; i purchased the engine seperate from the passenger cars they are the correct passenger car numbers that go with the engine but its not a true set that came from the manufacture there are a couple other engines I could put together this way a buy a empty box not that there worth that much but not a true AF sold set, I am saying this has to be very very careful in buying sets without proof. From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of..... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72978	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

Being notarized is not hard to fake. Notarized only means that a notary has seen the paper signed in front of him/her & that the signer has shown proof of who they are. It has no bearing on the content of the letter. Mike   In a message dated 9/7/2013 9:36:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jad01@... writes:   The difference would be giving a notarized statement that its a correct AF sold set, with the set given to the club we could not confirm that it was a set being that the grandfather had passed away who owned the set, like you said you purchased a box to return your set to original, but that in real antiques purchase it should come with a noterised  statement otherwise the purchaser cannot verify what he is getting that someone purchased the box and put together the set from different sale events are even buying the individual cars on ebay, Myself if I would spend more than 1000 on a set I would ask for the noterised comitment from the seller otherwise I would not purchase, lets face with big money comes scamers who will have no problem selling something like this, and more on the rare sets that bring even more money/ I have a rocket set ie; i purchased the engine seperate from the passenger cars they are the correct passenger car numbers that go with the engine but its not a true set that came from the manufacture there are a couple other engines I could put together this way a buy a empty box not that there worth that much but not a true AF sold set, I am saying this has to be very very careful in buying sets without proof. From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of..... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72979	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

Mike is 100% correct.???? I practiced law for 37 years and the only time we ever used notarization was for deeds and other real property documents, where the identity of the signer is the crucial issue.???????? The notary in the case of train documents would have no knowledge of the correctness of the assertions in the letter even if they could certify beyond the authenticity of the signature.???? Dale On 9/7/2013 11:38 AM, anormal1@... wrote: ???? Being notarized is not hard to fake. Notarized only means that a notary has seen the paper signed in front of him/her & that the signer has shown proof of who they are. It has no bearing on the content of the letter.????Mike ???? In a message dated 9/7/2013 9:36:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jad01@... writes: ???? The difference would be giving a notarized statement that its a correct AF sold set, with the set given to the club we could not confirm that it was a set being that the grandfather had passed away who owned the set, like you said you purchased a box to return your set to original, but that in real antiques purchase it should come with a noterised???? statement otherwise the purchaser cannot verify what he is getting that someone purchased the box and put together the set from different sale events are even buying the individual cars on ebay, Myself if I would spend more than 1000 on a set I would ask for the noterised comitment from the seller otherwise I would not purchase, lets face with big money comes scamers who will have no problem selling something like this, and more on the rare sets that bring even more money/ I have a rocket set ie; i purchased the engine seperate from the passenger cars they are the correct passenger car numbers that go with the engine but its not a true set that came from the manufacture there are a couple other engines I could put together this way a buy a empty box not that there worth that much but not a true AF sold set, I am saying this has to be very very careful in buying sets without proof. From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets ???? No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of..... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets ???? Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify?????? > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72980	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/8/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72981	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

I find this thread on sets quite interesting.  Lets say I have my original set given to me for Christmas in 1950.  The set is complete in every way except one piece of curve track is missing.  I replace the piece of track with one of the same condition and appearance as the others.   I decide to sell the set.  Are there those on this thread that believe I should provide a notarized statement to a prospective buyer that one of the pieces of curved track is not original to the set as I received it in 1950?  --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <jad01@...> wrote: The difference would be giving a noterised statement that its a correct AF sold set, with the set given to the club we could not confirm that it was a set being that the grandfather had passed away who owned the set, like you said you purchased a box to return your set to orginal, but that in real antiques purchase it should come with a noterised  statement otherwise the purchaser cannot verify what he is getting that someone purchased the box and put together the set from different sale events are even buying the individual cars on ebay, Myself if I would spend more than 1000 on a set I would ask for the noterised comitment from the seller otherwise I would not purchase, lets face with big money comes scamers who will have no problem selling something like this, and more on the rare sets that bring even more money/ I have a rocket set ie; i purchased the engine seperate from the passenger cars they are the correct passenger car numbers that go with the engine but its not a true set that came from the manufacture there are a couple other engines I could put together this way a buy a empty box not that there worth that much but not a true AF sold set, I am saying this has to be very very careful in buying sets without proof. From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of..... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72982	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

Having opened the box also voids as original.So everything is moot after opening your set. Mike   In a message dated 9/7/2013 5:20:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, milepost407@... writes:   I find this thread on sets quite interesting.  Lets say I have my original set given to me for Christmas in 1950.  The set is complete in every way except one piece of curve track is missing.  I replace the piece of track with one of the same condition and appearance as the others.   I decide to sell the set.  Are there those on this thread that believe I should provide a notarized statement to a prospective buyer that one of the pieces of curved track is not original to the set as I received it in 1950?  --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <jad01@...> wrote: The difference would be giving a noterised statement that its a correct AF sold set, with the set given to the club we could not confirm that it was a set being that the grandfather had passed away who owned the set, like you said you purchased a box to return your set to orginal, but that in real antiques purchase it should come with a noterised  statement otherwise the purchaser cannot verify what he is getting that someone purchased the box and put together the set from different sale events are even buying the individual cars on ebay, Myself if I would spend more than 1000 on a set I would ask for the noterised comitment from the seller otherwise I would not purchase, lets face with big money comes scamers who will have no problem selling something like this, and more on the rare sets that bring even more money/ I have a rocket set ie; i purchased the engine seperate from the passenger cars they are the correct passenger car numbers that go with the engine but its not a true set that came from the manufacture there are a couple other engines I could put together this way a buy a empty box not that there worth that much but not a true AF sold set, I am saying this has to be very very careful in buying sets without proof. From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of..... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72983	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

True but most legit dealer would give one also if you found out it was fake later (hard to do) you can then sue and its allot easier to overcome buyer beware. From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Being notarized is not hard to fake. Notarized only means that a notary has seen the paper signed in front of him/her & that the signer has shown proof of who they are. It has no bearing on the content of the letter. Mike   In a message dated 9/7/2013 9:36:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jad01@... writes:   The difference would be giving a notarized statement that its a correct AF sold set, with the set given to the club we could not confirm that it was a set being that the grandfather had passed away who owned the set, like you said you purchased a box to return your set to original, but that in real antiques purchase it should come with a noterised  statement otherwise the purchaser cannot verify what he is getting that someone purchased the box and put together the set from different sale events are even buying the individual cars on ebay, Myself if I would spend more than 1000 on a set I would ask for the noterised comitment from the seller otherwise I would not purchase, lets face with big money comes scamers who will have no problem selling something like this, and more on the rare sets that bring even more money/ I have a rocket set ie; i purchased the engine seperate from the passenger cars they are the correct passenger car numbers that go with the engine but its not a true set that came from the manufacture there are a couple other engines I could put together this way a buy a empty box not that there worth that much but not a true AF sold set, I am saying this has to be very very careful in buying sets without proof. From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of..... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72984	From: racin510	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

I sure hope not!  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I find this thread on sets quite interesting.  Lets say I have my original set given to me for Christmas in 1950.  The set is complete in every way except one piece of curve track is missing.  I replace the piece of track with one of the same condition and appearance as the others.   I decide to sell the set.  Are there those on this thread that believe I should provide a notarized statement to a prospective buyer that one of the pieces of curved track is not original to the set as I received it in 1950?  --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <jad01@...> wrote: The difference would be giving a noterised statement that its a correct AF sold set, with the set given to the club we could not confirm that it was a set being that the grandfather had passed away who owned the set, like you said you purchased a box to return your set to orginal, but that in real antiques purchase it should come with a noterised  statement otherwise the purchaser cannot verify what he is getting that someone purchased the box and put together the set from different sale events are even buying the individual cars on ebay, Myself if I would spend more than 1000 on a set I would ask for the noterised comitment from the seller otherwise I would not purchase, lets face with big money comes scamers who will have no problem selling something like this, and more on the rare sets that bring even more money/ I have a rocket set ie; i purchased the engine seperate from the passenger cars they are the correct passenger car numbers that go with the engine but its not a true set that came from the manufacture there are a couple other engines I could put together this way a buy a empty box not that there worth that much but not a true AF sold set, I am saying this has to be very very careful in buying sets without proof. From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of..... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72985	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

Disagree - only voids it as mint. You have to prove its is not as it was packed and if substitutions match exactly the original line up then why worry - if it is in played with to excellent condition and all wear on all items is consistent? The whole thing gets beyond a joke Re stat declarations - here down in Australia it is fraud and a criminal offense to lay a false declaration before a notary. Not only that, in any transaction, if the item purchased is not what it is claimed to be then the purchaser is legally entitled to a full refund. (BTW the refund extends to items that do not do what they are supposed to or appliances that do not last as long as they might be expected to) AlistaIr ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 20:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Train Sets   Having opened the box also voids as original.So everything is moot after opening your set. Mike   In a message dated 9/7/2013 5:20:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, milepost407@... writes:   I find this thread on sets quite interesting.  Lets say I have my original set given to me for Christmas in 1950.  The set is complete in every way except one piece of curve track is missing.  I replace the piece of track with one of the same condition and appearance as the others.   I decide to sell the set.  Are there those on this thread that believe I should provide a notarized statement to a prospective buyer that one of the pieces of curved track is not original to the set as I received it in 1950?  --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <jad01@...> wrote: The difference would be giving a noterised statement that its a correct AF sold set, with the set given to the club we could not confirm that it was a set being that the grandfather had passed away who owned the set, like you said you purchased a box to return your set to orginal, but that in real antiques purchase it should come with a noterised  statement otherwise the purchaser cannot verify what he is getting that someone purchased the box and put together the set from different sale events are even buying the individual cars on ebay, Myself if I would spend more than 1000 on a set I would ask for the noterised comitment from the seller otherwise I would not purchase, lets face with big money comes scamers who will have no problem selling something like this, and more on the rare sets that bring even more money/ I have a rocket set ie; i purchased the engine seperate from the passenger cars they are the correct passenger car numbers that go with the engine but its not a true set that came from the manufacture there are a couple other engines I could put together this way a buy a empty box not that there worth that much but not a true AF sold set, I am saying this has to be very very careful in buying sets without proof. From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of.... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify⦠> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72986	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/7/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

I'm not sure why you are upset about buying a train set.  I would suggest you join the TCA. As a member you have a right to dispute any buy you make from another TCA member.  If someone decides to put to a set together using all the original pieces, it is still a complete original set. Many sets have been sold over the years and to my knowledge I have never heard of someone making a case such as yours. Lets use your Rocket Set as an example.  Set K5364W Chromed 4745, three Chromed 962 Vista Dome, 963 Chromed Observationm 12 - 702, 6 - 700, 706 Uncoupler, 708 Air Chime, Train Book 1953 Set. 1954 Set Same as 1953 but Silver Satin and Passenger Cars have Blue Stripe.  You can obviously tell the difference between a 1954 Set and a 1953 Set.  So if you bought your Rocket that matched the passenger cars ( the 5570H 1955 Set had different cars) how can you say that Diesel isn't part of that set,  If a seller sells a train set complete as I described with the 1953 set and says I'll notarize it for you, how are you going to prove him wrong.  If your position is the only way a set can be complete is to have it come from the original owner, I would not agree.                                                       Tom Seccia From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   The difference would be giving a noterised statement that its a correct AF sold set, with the set given to the club we could not confirm that it was a set being that the grandfather had passed away who owned the set, like you said you purchased a box to return your set to orginal, but that in real antiques purchase it should come with a noterised  statement otherwise the purchaser cannot verify what he is getting that someone purchased the box and put together the set from different sale events are even buying the individual cars on ebay, Myself if I would spend more than 1000 on a set I would ask for the noterised comitment from the seller otherwise I would not purchase, lets face with big money comes scamers who will have no problem selling something like this, and more on the rare sets that bring even more money/ I have a rocket set ie; i purchased the engine seperate from the passenger cars they are the correct passenger car numbers that go with the engine but its not a true set that came from the manufacture there are a couple other engines I could put together this way a buy a empty box not that there worth that much but not a true AF sold set, I am saying this has to be very very careful in buying sets without proof. From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of..... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72987	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/8/2013
Subject: Re: Train Sets

What about cars or engines or really any part of the set returned to Gilbert for repair & a new item was sent back as a replacement. Would that box & the paperwork have to follow. Also what about the smoke caps that came with it? Would the used caps need to be saved also?  Do you see where this is really going? Absurd, is your final station on this train ride.  Mike   In a message dated 9/7/2013 8:03:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes:   I'm not sure why you are upset about buying a train set.  I would suggest you join the TCA. As a member you have a right to dispute any buy you make from another TCA member.  If someone decides to put to a set together using all the original pieces, it is still a complete original set. Many sets have been sold over the years and to my knowledge I have never heard of someone making a case such as yours. Lets use your Rocket Set as an example.  Set K5364W Chromed 4745, three Chromed 962 Vista Dome, 963 Chromed Observationm 12 - 702, 6 - 700, 706 Uncoupler, 708 Air Chime, Train Book 1953 Set. 1954 Set Same as 1953 but Silver Satin and Passenger Cars have Blue Stripe.  You can obviously tell the difference between a 1954 Set and a 1953 Set.  So if you bought your Rocket that matched the passenger cars ( the 5570H 1955 Set had different cars) how can you say that Diesel isn't part of that set,  If a seller sells a train set complete as I described with the 1953 set and says I'll notarize it for you, how are you going to prove him wrong.  If your position is the only way a set can be complete is to have it come from the original owner, I would not agree.                                                       Tom Seccia From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   The difference would be giving a noterised statement that its a correct AF sold set, with the set given to the club we could not confirm that it was a set being that the grandfather had passed away who owned the set, like you said you purchased a box to return your set to orginal, but that in real antiques purchase it should come with a noterised  statement otherwise the purchaser cannot verify what he is getting that someone purchased the box and put together the set from different sale events are even buying the individual cars on ebay, Myself if I would spend more than 1000 on a set I would ask for the noterised comitment from the seller otherwise I would not purchase, lets face with big money comes scamers who will have no problem selling something like this, and more on the rare sets that bring even more money/ I have a rocket set ie; i purchased the engine seperate from the passenger cars they are the correct passenger car numbers that go with the engine but its not a true set that came from the manufacture there are a couple other engines I could put together this way a buy a empty box not that there worth that much but not a true AF sold set, I am saying this has to be very very careful in buying sets without proof. From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   No David..... I too have both the 1948 and the 1950 sets and over the years I have added all the boxes!!!!!!!! What is wrong with selling sets????? I have about 70 BOXED SETS I am going to dispose of..... How do I get these big prices????????????? Bob From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Sets   Hi All, I have my original train set that my parents got me around 1958. The set box is long gone but I found one at a local train show. Not that I would ever part with this set - would I be commiting a major sin if I sold the box along with the set? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > why not. who was doing it? Have you asked a question to the seller? > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Train Sets > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 04:03:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Recent Ebay sales been seeing AF Sets for high money, but yet only one has the correct numbers box, should this be reported, one can put together a set from assorted purchases and make a claim, another one had a box claiming it was worth several thousands but there were not markings on the box to indicate it was this set? I would hate to see new scale people get caught up in this and have their dreams ruined by people looking for big bucks. James Davidson > > > __________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5228c88cb48bc488c2a64st03vuc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72988	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 9/8/2013
Subject: Train sets

Aw, come on, gang, this thread is starting to get ridiculous! -John Marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72989	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/8/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/8/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 72990	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/8/2013
Subject: Adding Photos To Album

Help!  Under this new Yahoo Groups format,  I can't figure out how to add pictures to my photo album.  Anyone know the procedure?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72991	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/8/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Chimney for #50 District School (Repro)

E-Bay # 331018839887 Check this # for a repo #50 School House Chimney....Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72992	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/9/2013
Subject: Re: Adding Photos To Album

Do what I did.  Join the S gauge division of the O gauge trains group (not on Yahoo).  I will post future photos there. Wayne  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Help!  Under this new Yahoo Groups format,  I can't figure out how to add pictures to my photo album.  Anyone know the procedure?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72993	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/9/2013
Subject: Re: Adding Photos To Album

Link please Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/9/2013 8:18 AM, beachy3929@... wrote: ???? Do what I did. ????Join the S gauge division of the O gauge trains group (not on Yahoo). ????I will post future photos there. Wayne???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Help!???? Under this new Yahoo Groups format,???? I can't figure out how to add pictures to my photo album.???? Anyone know the procedure?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72994	From: poniaj	Date: 9/9/2013
Subject: Re: Adding Photos To Album

Guys, I don't know if this link will work or not, but here it is. You may have to do a cut and paste... But it looks like this one will work. http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/forum/s-scale-trains Jerry --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-scale@...> wrote: Link please Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/9/2013 8:18 AM, beachy3929@... wrote: ???? Do what I did. ????Join the S gauge division of the O gauge trains group (not on Yahoo). ????I will post future photos there. Wayne???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Help!???? Under this new Yahoo Groups format,???? I can't figure out how to add pictures to my photo album.???? Anyone know the procedure?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72995	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: What new format?

Are you all smoking crack or what? People asking how to add pics? It's all the same. Nothing has changed. Using windows 8 with google chrome and not 1 thing has changed. I really do like the Face book groups better now. I think Yahoo is a dying thing of the past. It was great 15 years ago when Paul Yorke got it started. Now I hate to say it but I think it just needs to go away. New faces and places. Time marches on! Have a great day ya'll! Chris Burger, AKA the CBTRAINNUT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72996	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: Re: Adding Photos To Album

Carey, Hope this works. http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/forum/s-scale-trains Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Link please Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/9/2013 8:18 AM, beachy3929@... wrote: ???? Do what I did. ????Join the S gauge division of the O gauge trains group (not on Yahoo). ????I will post future photos there. Wayne???? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Help!???? Under this new Yahoo Groups format,???? I can't figure out how to add pictures to my photo album.???? Anyone know the procedure?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72997	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: Re: What new format?

If we are smoking pot, there are too many of us to count.  As for me, I have never smoked pot - not even "not to inhale".  I guess I'm just an old "goody two shoes".   NOT.  As was said here before, it seems not to have affected everyone, just way too many of us.  I still get my daily digests, and that is mainly what I use this for.  I just can't post or edit photos and it takes much more work that it is worth to see the photos of others.  I have gone to the S section of O gauge forum to do that.  It is much easier.  Jerry and I posted the link in an earlier post. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Are you all smoking crack or what? People asking how to add pics? It's all the same. Nothing has changed. Using windows 8 with google chrome and not 1 thing has changed. I really do like the Face book groups better now. I think Yahoo is a dying thing of the past. It was great 15 years ago when Paul Yorke got it started. Now I hate to say it but I think it just needs to go away. New faces and places. Time marches on! Have a great day ya'll! Chris Burger, AKA the CBTRAINNUT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72998	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: Re: What new format?

Chris... You are among the few fortunate souls who have full compatibility to the new Yahoo.  I cannot moderate either of my Groups or access Photos or other options on the other Groups I frequent.  I have a three month old computer with Windows 7 and have Comcast as my server and Yahoo is just about a waste of time for me now.   I have heard a few rumblings that Yahoo is getting a LOT of flack, and some Groups have closed down already.  The loss of users will certainly affect Yahoo's advertising bottom line.  This gives them two choices: go back to the old format or fix the many compatibility problems.   Of course they could be like Micro-Shaft who does things despite what the majority of computer users want, and have gotten away with it so far because they are the 800 pound gorilla of operating system makers.  Yahoo is already in financial trouble and doesn't have that luxury anymore.  As you say, some years ago, they were the big dog, but no more.  There are other places to go for this type of communication, and Yahoo just gave them a possible boost.   I'm taking a "wait and see" stance with my Groups.  Will Yahoo change?  Or will Yahoo become a third string player?  Will I stay with Yahoo much longer?   Stumpy In Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 72999	From: poniaj	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: Re: What new format?

Chris, I assure you, I and many others out here, aren't smoking, ingesting or using any banned substances.  There are some out in the great ether who are using the same hardware and software that I am using, and they see no change.  I, on the other hand, am about to quit the whole Yahoo thing.  I will NOT go to the FB side.  Many reasons, which space doesn't allow me to enumerate here.  The simple fact that so many of us are affected while a sizable contingent isn't, tells you that the roll-out of the "new" format wasn't ready for prime time.  Those who are more paranoid than I might see this as a way to divide a divided scale/gauge even further.  Neither are we a bunch of Luddites who are deeply resistant to change.  On more than one occasion, I have said that "change for change's sake isn't necessary, nor desirable".  Is Yahoo having problems in the financial department?  I don't know.  Are they trying to overcome a declining clientele?  Perhaps.  But with all the smart people out there who are very tech savvy and out of work, they could have done a better job in their "updating" of their service.  If people have to spend vast amounts of time figuring out what used to be easy, then something is wrong.  If what used to be fun and relaxing no longer is, then something is wrong.  If people aren't happy with a formerly pleasant experience, then something definitely is wrong. I suppose I can eventually figure out the problems that have cropped up due to the changes forced upon me by the Yahoos, but it's fast becoming a chore.  I consider myself fairly tech-savy.  At my former job, I was considered one of the "go to guys" when minor IT problems arose.  In the grand scheme of the internet, my problems with Yahoo are minor, but there are  those of us who are having major problems (like not being able to access their photos any longer).  It doesn't seem to be the fault of their operating system, browser or provider.  It's an issue that crosses many boundaries.... or doesn't.  Too random.  I suppose that eventually Yahoo will iron out their difficulties, but for many of us, it's just not worth it.  I have better things to do with my time than sit in front of a computer and figure out what's wrong.  I like solving problems, but on my own terms.  Give me a minor electrical problem to solve, a circuit to build, an automatic transmission to rebuild, paint issues in my home to solve, wood projects to tackle, metal fabrication to accomplish, space to be allotted in an increasingly packed train room, model railroad track to lay, scenery to finish, buildings to scratch build on my layout, or detailing on my train table or hot rod.  But please don't make a once enjoyable pastime less so. More than my two cents, I know. Jerry PS as an indication of how messed Yahoo is for me, your message is tagged as coming in an hour and  fourteen minutes before I am writing this.  So unless you are in a further eastern time zone than Eastern Daylight Time, or in the Twilight Zone (sometimes I think I AM), Yahoo messed up again. --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <chrisandmhelburger@...> wrote: Are you all smoking crack or what? People asking how to add pics? It's all the same. Nothing has changed. Using windows 8 with google chrome and not 1 thing has changed. I really do like the Face book groups better now. I think Yahoo is a dying thing of the past. It was great 15 years ago when Paul Yorke got it started. Now I hate to say it but I think it just needs to go away. New faces and places. Time marches on! Have a great day ya'll! Chris Burger, AKA the CBTRAINNUT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73000	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: 360/364 Engine Combo

Has anyone replaced the draw bar between the AF 360 PA Unit and 364 PB Unit with new side frames with link couplers? How about one end of the 370 GP Engine? The 370 has a tendency to uncouple to frequently for my liking. Thanks, Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73001	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: 766 Guilford Parts Needed

Hi All, I am starting to restore a 766 Guilford station and need to find the three grey "guides" that mount on the platform floor. The ones I removed each have one "tab" missing. If you have a ratty 766 and would be willing to part with these pieces let me know. Thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73002	From: alan smith	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: Re: What new format?

I have an Imac - Nutting works Fo me kneeder. A in Ham Ohio On Sep 10, 2013, at 8:37 AM, <mrstumpy@...> <mrstumpy@...> wrote:   Chris... You are among the few fortunate souls who have full compatibility to the new Yahoo.  I cannot moderate either of my Groups or access Photos or other options on the other Groups I frequent.  I have a three month old computer with Windows 7 and have Comcast as my server and Yahoo is just about a waste of time for me now.   I have heard a few rumblings that Yahoo is getting a LOT of flack, and some Groups have closed down already.  The loss of users will certainly affect Yahoo's advertising bottom line.  This gives them two choices: go back to the old format or fix the many compatibility problems.   Of course they could be like Micro-Shaft who does things despite what the majority of computer users want, and have gotten away with it so far because they are the 800 pound gorilla of operating system makers.  Yahoo is already in financial trouble and doesn't have that luxury anymore.  As you say, some years ago, they were the big dog, but no more.  There are other places to go for this type of communication, and Yahoo just gave them a possible boost.   I'm taking a "wait and see" stance with my Groups.  Will Yahoo change?  Or will Yahoo become a third string player?  Will I stay with Yahoo much longer?   Stumpy In Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73003	From: David	Date: 9/10/2013
Subject: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of hand with their prices as you all well know. To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73004	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at what you consider reasonable. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote:   We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of hand with their prices as you all well know. To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73005	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: 360/364 Engine Combo

We offer a kit to convert a 370 to KCs. See the AF Repair Clinics page on our website. Doug Port Lines Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73006	From: Michael Rector	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: What new format?

I'm with you Stumpy! The "new format" has way too many problems to have been pushed on Yahoo users. I tried to send a complaint, but an unable to send message came up. Go figure! Mike in SW OH -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 9/10/13, mrstumpy@... <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Subject: [S-Trains] RE: What new format? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 8:37 AM   Chris... You are among the few fortunate souls who have full compatibility to the new Yahoo.  I cannot moderate either of my Groups or access Photos or other options on the other Groups I frequent.  I have a three month old computer with Windows 7 and have Comcast as my server and Yahoo is just about a waste of time for me now. I have heard a few rumblings that Yahoo is getting a LOT of flack, and some Groups have closed down already.  The loss of users will certainly affect Yahoo's advertising bottom line.  This gives them two choices: go back to the old format or fix the many compatibility problems. Of course they could be like Micro-Shaft who does things despite what the majority of computer users want, and have gotten away with it so far because they are the 800 pound gorilla of operating system makers.  Yahoo is already in financial trouble and doesn't have that luxury anymore.  As you say, some years ago, they were the big dog, but no more.  There are other places to go for this type of communication, and Yahoo just gave them a possible boost. I'm taking a "wait and see" stance with my Groups.  Will Yahoo change?  Or will Yahoo become a third string player?  Will I stay with Yahoo much longer? Stumpy In Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73007	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

Carey, I believe David at LBR was refering to the eBay selling costs getting out of hand. I used to sell on eBay about 5 years ago and have been told by a lot of eBay sellers that the listing fee, commission fee, etc. have risen to very high levels. I also understand eBay is now getting some kind of cut from the shipping and handling fees. David - aka BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your > fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. > > Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at > what you consider reasonable. > > Carey > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote: > > > > We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of > > hand with their prices as you all well know. > > > > To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at > > > > http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 > > > > Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / > > Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. > > > > LBR > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73008	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Seattle hobby shops

I'm going to be in the Seattle area this weekend and was wondering if anyone could recommend any hobby shops that might have some 'S' presence.   Thanks, Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73009	From: William J Gill	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: Seattle hobby shops

I was told some time ago the Electric Train Shop, in Burien had some S. I've never been however, so a call before you go would be advisable. Their address is 625 SW 152nd. My notes say they're open 11-6 Tuesday through Saturday. You can probably "google" them and find out more. Good Luck, Bill Kelso, WA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73010	From: alan smith	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

To all,  Yes,  I'll speak up for Dave.  ---- Dave was referring to the charges in total.  The Auction prices reflect what it costs the seller to list and use ebay, plus shipping. They  refer to it as the final price. They get right at ten (10%) percent and they do indeed get monies from the shipping charges, even if you don't use their labels. They are getting fat off the sellers/vendors backs. A Copied from the ebay  site~~ Everyday Rate Plans Subscription Rates(Subscriptions auto‑renew) Free Listings Insertion Fees(After your free listings per month; exclusions apply) Final Value Fees(Maximum fee $250, with percentages based on thetotal amount of the sale;exclusions apply) Top Rated Plus listings get a 20% discount on item's final sale price* Monthly Per month, with yearly subscription No insertion fees (Auction-style or fixed price) Auction-style  (Per listing) Fixed price ‡  (Per listing) Standard Fees(No eBay Stores subscription) N/A N/A Up to50 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 30¢ 30¢ 10% eBay Stores Basic Store $19.95 $15.95 Up to150 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 25¢ 20¢ 4% Computers/ Tablets & Networking,  Video Game Consoles 6% Consumer Electronics,  Cameras & Photos, Coins & Paper Money, Stamps 7% Musical Instruments & Gear 8% Motors Parts & Accessories 9% Clothing, Shoes & Accessories,  Collectibles,  Home & Garden,  Camera & Photo Accessories,  Cell Phone Accessories,  Business & Industrial,  All Other Categories Some categoryexclusions apply. Premium Store $59.95 $49.95 Up to500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 15¢ 10¢ Anchor Store $199.95 $179.95 Up to2,500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 10¢ 5¢ On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:57 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:   Carey, I believe David at LBR was refering to the eBay selling costs getting out of hand. I used to sell on eBay about 5 years ago and have been told by a lot of eBay sellers that the listing fee, commission fee, etc. have risen to very high levels. I also understand eBay is now getting some kind of cut from the shipping and handling fees. David - aka BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your > fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. > > Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at > what you consider reasonable. > > Carey > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote: > > > > We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of > > hand with their prices as you all well know. > > > > To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at > > > > http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 > > > > Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / > > Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. > > > > LBR > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73011	From: The Reardon's	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: Seattle hobby shops

 Hi Neil,   Over in Kirkland there is a shop called "Eastside trains".  They have some Flyer and the last time I visited, they had a small "S" display layout set up.   Pat, in Maine     ----- Original Message ----- From: bowlsalot2@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Seattle hobby shops   I'm going to be in the Seattle area this weekend and was wondering if anyone could recommend any hobby shops that might have some 'S' presence.   Thanks, Neil in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73012	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

I sell on E-Bay. In the American Flyer Section. I get 50 free auctions a month ( I run about 60 a mo). Yes they take 10% of your shipping fees, but I use their shipping labels & it is cheaper than the P.O.  Plus, I get a 20% reduction in final fees, this is because I have no neg. Feedback & have a  refund policy.... The chart below is "MOSTLY" for E-Bay stores, but you can see under the first row "STANDARD FEES"....The cost is really not that bad.  If you want to run a "STORE" you pay for it.   In a message dated 9/11/2013 6:26:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alansmith@... writes:    To all,  Yes,  I'll speak up for Dave.  ---- Dave was referring to the charges in total.  The Auction prices reflect what it costs the seller to list and use ebay, plus shipping. They  refer to it as the final price. They get right at ten (10%) percent and they do indeed get monies from the shipping charges, even if you don't use their labels. They are getting fat off the sellers/vendors backs. A Copied from the ebay  site~~ Everyday Rate Plans Subscription Rates(Subscriptions auto‑renew) Free Listings Insertion Fees(After your free listings per month; exclusions apply) Final Value Fees(Maximum fee $250, with percentages based on thetotal amount of the sale;exclusions apply) Top Rated Plus listings get a 20% discount on item's final sale price* Monthly Per month, with yearly subscription No insertion fees (Auction-style or fixed price) Auction-style  (Per listing) Fixed price ‡  (Per listing) Standard Fees(No eBay Stores subscription) N/A N/A Up to50 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 30¢ 30¢ 10% eBay Stores Basic Store $19.95 $15.95 Up to150 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 25¢ 20¢ 4% Computers/ Tablets & Networking,  Video Game Consoles 6% Consumer Electronics,  Cameras & Photos, Coins & Paper Money, Stamps 7% Musical Instruments & Gear 8% Motors Parts & Accessories 9% Clothing, Shoes & Accessories,  Collectibles,  Home & Garden,  Camera & Photo Accessories,  Cell Phone Accessories,  Business & Industrial,  All Other Categories Some categoryexclusions apply. Premium Store $59.95 $49.95 Up to500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 15¢ 10¢ Anchor Store $199.95 $179.95 Up to2,500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 10¢ 5¢ On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:57 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:   Carey, I believe David at LBR was refering to the eBay selling costs getting out of hand. I used to sell on eBay about 5 years ago and have been told by a lot of eBay sellers that the listing fee, commission fee, etc. have risen to very high levels. I also understand eBay is now getting some kind of cut from the shipping and handling fees. David - aka BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your > fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. > > Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at > what you consider reasonable. > > Carey > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote: > > > > We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of > > hand with their prices as you all well know. > > > > To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at > > > > http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 > > > > Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / > > Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. > > > > LBR > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73013	From: rep928	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Mint 705 Uncouplers in Original Boxes; 314AW Tender

At my local flea market, I have recently picked up some items of interest. The first of these are three truly mint 705 uncouplers in their original boxes. The remote control buttons are still wrapped in paper, the instructions are in there and unused, etc.  I thought about keeping one and selling the other two.  Any ideas on how to price these?  The second item is a 314AW locomotive without the tender. I fixed it up so it runs well and smokes.  So - does anyone have a tender that they are willing to part with or does anyone want the locomotive to go with their tender? I am willing to make a trade, rather than trying to figure out dollar value, but we can also talk money if you want.  - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73014	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: 766 Guilford Parts Needed

Please contact me off line.   From: bull_gator_1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:29:29 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] 766 Guilford Parts Needed   Hi All, I am starting to restore a 766 Guilford station and need to find the three grey "guides" that mount on the platform floor. The ones I removed each have one "tab" missing. If you have a ratty 766 and would be willing to part with these pieces let me know. Thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73015	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/11/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

Yeh shocking isn't it? Local auctions only charge around 17 1/2% with some charging the buyers a similar amount, for a much smaller potential market. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:03:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)    To all,  Yes,  I'll speak up for Dave.  ---- Dave was referring to the charges in total.  The Auction prices reflect what it costs the seller to list and use ebay, plus shipping. They  refer to it as the final price. They get right at ten (10%) percent and they do indeed get monies from the shipping charges, even if you don't use their labels. They are getting fat off the sellers/vendors backs. A Copied from the ebay  site~~ Everyday Rate Plans Subscription Rates(Subscriptions auto‑renew) Free Listings Insertion Fees(After your free listings per month; exclusions apply) Final Value Fees(Maximum fee $250, with percentages based on thetotal amount of the sale;exclusions apply) Top Rated Plus listings get a 20% discount on item's final sale price* Monthly Per month, with yearly subscription No insertion fees (Auction-style or fixed price) Auction-style  (Per listing) Fixed price ‡  (Per listing) Standard Fees(No eBay Stores subscription) N/A N/A Up to50 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 30¢ 30¢ 10% eBay Stores Basic Store $19.95 $15.95 Up to150 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 25¢ 20¢ 4% Computers/ Tablets & Networking,  Video Game Consoles 6% Consumer Electronics,  Cameras & Photos, Coins & Paper Money, Stamps 7% Musical Instruments & Gear 8% Motors Parts & Accessories 9% Clothing, Shoes & Accessories,  Collectibles,  Home & Garden,  Camera & Photo Accessories,  Cell Phone Accessories,  Business & Industrial,  All Other Categories Some categoryexclusions apply. Premium Store $59.95 $49.95 Up to500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 15¢ 10¢ Anchor Store $199.95 $179.95 Up to2,500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 10¢ 5¢ On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:57 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:   Carey, I believe David at LBR was refering to the eBay selling costs getting out of hand. I used to sell on eBay about 5 years ago and have been told by a lot of eBay sellers that the listing fee, commission fee, etc. have risen to very high levels. I also understand eBay is now getting some kind of cut from the shipping and handling fees. David - aka BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@..> wrote: > > While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your > fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. > > Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at > what you consider reasonable. > > Carey > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote: > > > > We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of > > hand with their prices as you all well know. > > > > To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at > > > > http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 > > > > Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / > > Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. > > > > LBR > > > > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73016	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

Sorry, my bad.  Not enough coffee or something stronger when I wrote that. In my muddled mind he was complaining about the buyers bidding too high which was why I thought he put the maximum bid accepted. Now back to isolation in my work cave where I can dream of having windows and sunlight. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/11/2013 8:03 PM, alan smith wrote:    To all,  Yes,  I'll speak up for Dave.  ---- Dave was referring to the charges in total.  The Auction prices reflect what it costs the seller to list and use ebay, plus shipping. They  refer to it as the final price. They get right at ten (10%) percent and they do indeed get monies from the shipping charges, even if you don't use their labels. They are getting fat off the sellers/vendors backs. A Copied from the ebay  site~~ Everyday Rate Plans Subscription Rates(Subscriptions auto‑renew) Free Listings Insertion Fees(After your free listings per month; exclusions apply) Final Value Fees(Maximum fee $250, with percentages based on thetotal amount of the sale;exclusions apply) Top Rated Plus listings get a 20% discount on item's final sale price* Monthly Per month, with yearly subscription No insertion fees (Auction-style or fixed price) Auction-style  (Per listing) Fixed price ‡  (Per listing) Standard Fees(No eBay Stores subscription) N/A N/A Up to50 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 30¢ 30¢ 10% eBay Stores Basic Store $19.95 $15.95 Up to150 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 25¢ 20¢ 4% Computers/ Tablets & Networking,  Video Game Consoles 6% Consumer Electronics,  Cameras & Photos, Coins & Paper Money, Stamps 7% Musical Instruments & Gear 8% Motors Parts & Accessories 9% Clothing, Shoes & Accessories,  Collectibles,  Home & Garden,  Camera & Photo Accessories,  Cell Phone Accessories,  Business & Industrial,  All Other Categories Some categoryexclusions apply. Premium Store $59.95 $49.95 Up to500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 15¢ 10¢ Anchor Store $199.95 $179.95 Up to2,500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 10¢ 5¢ On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:57 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:   Carey, I believe David at LBR was refering to the eBay selling costs getting out of hand. I used to sell on eBay about 5 years ago and have been told by a lot of eBay sellers that the listing fee, commission fee, etc. have risen to very high levels. I also understand eBay is now getting some kind of cut from the shipping and handling fees. David - aka BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your > fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. > > Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at > what you consider reasonable. > > Carey > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote: > > > > We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of > > hand with their prices as you all well know. > > > > To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at > > > > http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 > > > > Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / > > Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. > > > > LBR > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73017	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

I was pleased when eBay dropped the fees down to 10%. At one time I was paying 15 to 20% on eBay. I once sold an item for a $1.99 and the eBay fees were $2.08! I, too, am irritated by the 10% fee on shipping, but I understand why they did it: before there were fees on shipping, some sharp people figured out that you can sell a $50 item for $.99 in charge $60 for shipping. Things sold just fine and they paid hardly any fees at all! If I were eBay, what I'd have done was charge a 10% fee on shipping fees that were in excess of what the shipping calculator said it should be. That would penalize the cheaters without hurting the rest of us who are cooperating with the system. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:42 PM, alizoo@... wrote:   Yeh shocking isn't it? Local auctions only charge around 17 1/2% with some charging the buyers a similar amount, for a much smaller potential market. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:03:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)    To all,  Yes,  I'll speak up for Dave.  ---- Dave was referring to the charges in total.  The Auction prices reflect what it costs the seller to list and use ebay, plus shipping. They  refer to it as the final price. They get right at ten (10%) percent and they do indeed get monies from the shipping charges, even if you don't use their labels. They are getting fat off the sellers/vendors backs. A Copied from the ebay  site~~ Everyday Rate Plans Subscription Rates(Subscriptions auto‑renew) Free Listings Insertion Fees(After your free listings per month; exclusions apply) Final Value Fees(Maximum fee $250, with percentages based on thetotal amount of the sale;exclusions apply) Top Rated Plus listings get a 20% discount on item's final sale price* Monthly Per month, with yearly subscription No insertion fees (Auction-style or fixed price) Auction-style  (Per listing) Fixed price ‡  (Per listing) Standard Fees(No eBay Stores subscription) N/A N/A Up to50 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 30¢ 30¢ 10% eBay Stores Basic Store $19.95 $15.95 Up to150 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 25¢ 20¢ 4% Computers/ Tablets & Networking,  Video Game Consoles 6% Consumer Electronics,  Cameras & Photos, Coins & Paper Money, Stamps 7% Musical Instruments & Gear 8% Motors Parts & Accessories 9% Clothing, Shoes & Accessories,  Collectibles,  Home & Garden,  Camera & Photo Accessories,  Cell Phone Accessories,  Business & Industrial,  All Other Categories Some categoryexclusions apply. Premium Store $59.95 $49.95 Up to500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 15¢ 10¢ Anchor Store $199.95 $179.95 Up to2,500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 10¢ 5¢ On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:57 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:   Carey, I believe David at LBR was refering to the eBay selling costs getting out of hand. I used to sell on eBay about 5 years ago and have been told by a lot of eBay sellers that the listing fee, commission fee, etc. have risen to very high levels. I also understand eBay is now getting some kind of cut from the shipping and handling fees. David - aka BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@..> wrote: > > While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your > fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. > > Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at > what you consider reasonable. > > Carey > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote: > > > > We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of > > hand with their prices as you all well know. > > > > To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at > > > > http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 > > > > Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / > > Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. > > > > LBR > > > > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73018	From: alhbaker	Date: 9/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

I too do not understand all of you that groan about ebay costs.    Every business that I have ever heard of has certain costs associated with doing business (including the two businesses that I owned).    And the same goes for anyone just trying to sell some trains (or whatever).   You can not expect to have your product/item presented to thousands, actually millions of potential buyers for free.  Face it, there is no other auction forum with anywhere near the number of potential buyers as ebay, and if you think any of these other much, much smaller forums are going to rival ebay, well, buy a lottery ticket, you chances are about as good.    If you are smart, you will sell you stuff on ebay too, where you have countless potential buyers, and there are usually always some willing to bid your stuff (assuming you present it well) for a good price.   I don't sell a lot on ebay, but I do sell some.  And I consider it a bargain to have my  items presented to so many, so easily, and with a good quality presentation.    Sorry, I don't have time to diddle around with small forums that only attract a few people and few products. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I sell on E-Bay. In the American Flyer Section. I get 50 free auctions a month ( I run about 60 a mo). Yes they take 10% of your shipping fees, but I use their shipping labels & it is cheaper than the P.O.  Plus, I get a 20% reduction in final fees, this is because I have no neg. Feedback & have a  refund policy.... The chart below is "MOSTLY" for E-Bay stores, but you can see under the first row "STANDARD FEES"....The cost is really not that bad.  If you want to run a "STORE" you pay for it.   In a message dated 9/11/2013 6:26:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alansmith@... writes:    To all,  Yes,  I'll speak up for Dave.  ---- Dave was referring to the charges in total.  The Auction prices reflect what it costs the seller to list and use ebay, plus shipping. They  refer to it as the final price. They get right at ten (10%) percent and they do indeed get monies from the shipping charges, even if you don't use their labels. They are getting fat off the sellers/vendors backs. A Copied from the ebay  site~~ Everyday Rate Plans Subscription Rates(Subscriptions auto‑renew) Free Listings Insertion Fees(After your free listings per month; exclusions apply) Final Value Fees(Maximum fee $250, with percentages based on thetotal amount of the sale;exclusions apply) Top Rated Plus listings get a 20% discount on item's final sale price* Monthly Per month, with yearly subscription No insertion fees (Auction-style or fixed price) Auction-style  (Per listing) Fixed price ‡  (Per listing) Standard Fees(No eBay Stores subscription) N/A N/A Up to50 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 30¢ 30¢ 10% eBay Stores Basic Store $19.95 $15.95 Up to150 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 25¢ 20¢ 4% Computers/ Tablets & Networking,  Video Game Consoles 6% Consumer Electronics,  Cameras & Photos, Coins & Paper Money, Stamps 7% Musical Instruments & Gear 8% Motors Parts & Accessories 9% Clothing, Shoes & Accessories,  Collectibles,  Home & Garden,  Camera & Photo Accessories,  Cell Phone Accessories,  Business & Industrial,  All Other Categories Some categoryexclusions apply. Premium Store $59.95 $49.95 Up to500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 15¢ 10¢ Anchor Store $199.95 $179.95 Up to2,500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 10¢ 5¢ On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:57 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:   Carey, I believe David at LBR was refering to the eBay selling costs getting out of hand. I used to sell on eBay about 5 years ago and have been told by a lot of eBay sellers that the listing fee, commission fee, etc. have risen to very high levels. I also understand eBay is now getting some kind of cut from the shipping and handling fees. David - aka BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your > fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. > > Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at > what you consider reasonable. > > Carey > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote: > > > > We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of > > hand with their prices as you all well know. > > > > To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at > > > > http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 > > > > Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / > > Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. > > > > LBR > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73019	From: alan smith	Date: 9/12/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

Mike, For those of us that do this as a hobby and NOT a business their fees are a factor.  Shipping cost is almost to the penny to the P/O -- NO savings.   I don't need their labels. I can make a label and stick it on the box.  I too have NO negs. but the beat goes on.  Many times the shipping cost is lower than projected by ebay so I provide a refund.  As a reminder, the seller is not supposed to make money on  S & H.  Insurance now comes, at no charge, with PO shipping.  Most time First class will arrive the same day as priority with much less of a price tag.  The old saying goes "if you dance you have to pay the fiddler"   The fiddler is making a killing in this case do to no competition.  However, they do protect a seller & buyer from losses & this has value. Just saying and have a great day.    A On Sep 11, 2013, at 9:39 PM, anormal1@... wrote:   I sell on E-Bay. In the American Flyer Section. I get 50 free auctions a month ( I run about 60 a mo). Yes they take 10% of your shipping fees, but I use their shipping labels & it is cheaper than the P.O.  Plus, I get a 20% reduction in final fees, this is because I have no neg. Feedback & have a  refund policy.... The chart below is "MOSTLY" for E-Bay stores, but you can see under the first row "STANDARD FEES"....The cost is really not that bad.  If you want to run a "STORE" you pay for it.   In a message dated 9/11/2013 6:26:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, alansmith@... writes:    To all,  Yes,  I'll speak up for Dave.  ---- Dave was referring to the charges in total.  The Auction prices reflect what it costs the seller to list and use ebay, plus shipping. They  refer to it as the final price. They get right at ten (10%) percent and they do indeed get monies from the shipping charges, even if you don't use their labels. They are getting fat off the sellers/vendors backs. A Copied from the ebay  site~~ Everyday Rate Plans Subscription Rates(Subscriptions auto‑renew) Free Listings Insertion Fees(After your free listings per month; exclusions apply) Final Value Fees(Maximum fee $250, with percentages based on thetotal amount of the sale;exclusions apply) Top Rated Plus listings get a 20% discount on item's final sale price* Monthly Per month, with yearly subscription No insertion fees (Auction-style or fixed price) Auction-style  (Per listing) Fixed price ‡  (Per listing) Standard Fees(No eBay Stores subscription) N/A N/A Up to50 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 30¢ 30¢ 10% eBay Stores Basic Store $19.95 $15.95 Up to150 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 25¢ 20¢ 4% Computers/ Tablets & Networking,  Video Game Consoles 6% Consumer Electronics,  Cameras & Photos, Coins & Paper Money, Stamps 7% Musical Instruments & Gear 8% Motors Parts & Accessories 9% Clothing, Shoes & Accessories,  Collectibles,  Home & Garden,  Camera & Photo Accessories,  Cell Phone Accessories,  Business & Industrial,  All Other Categories Some categoryexclusions apply. Premium Store $59.95 $49.95 Up to500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 15¢ 10¢ Anchor Store $199.95 $179.95 Up to2,500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 10¢ 5¢ On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:57 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:   Carey, I believe David at LBR was refering to the eBay selling costs getting out of hand. I used to sell on eBay about 5 years ago and have been told by a lot of eBay sellers that the listing fee, commission fee, etc. have risen to very high levels. I also understand eBay is now getting some kind of cut from the shipping and handling fees. David - aka BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your > fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. > > Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at > what you consider reasonable. > > Carey > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote: > > > > We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of > > hand with their prices as you all well know. > > > > To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at > > > > http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 > > > > Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / > > Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. > > > > LBR > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73020	From: David	Date: 9/12/2013
Subject: FICUS PRODUCTS (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73021	From: clayton deich	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

Hi Alistair, it been some time. How it going? I have been doing little, but I did get a boxed set # 20315 that needs a little work. It cost about $150.00 no shipping. This was in town..  Clayton From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)   Yeh shocking isn't it? Local auctions only charge around 17 1/2% with some charging the buyers a similar amount, for a much smaller potential market. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 20:03:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)    To all,  Yes,  I'll speak up for Dave.  ---- Dave was referring to the charges in total.  The Auction prices reflect what it costs the seller to list and use ebay, plus shipping. They  refer to it as the final price. They get right at ten (10%) percent and they do indeed get monies from the shipping charges, even if you don't use their labels. They are getting fat off the sellers/vendors backs. A Copied from the ebay  site~~ Everyday Rate Plans Subscription Rates(Subscriptions auto‑renew) Free Listings Insertion Fees(After your free listings per month; exclusions apply) Final Value Fees(Maximum fee $250, with percentages based on thetotal amount of the sale;exclusions apply) Top Rated Plus listings get a 20% discount on item's final sale price* Monthly Per month, with yearly subscription No insertion fees (Auction-style or fixed price) Auction-style  (Per listing) Fixed price ‡  (Per listing) Standard Fees(No eBay Stores subscription) N/A N/A Up to50 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 30¢ 30¢ 10% eBay Stores Basic Store $19.95 $15.95 Up to150 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 25¢ 20¢ 4% Computers/ Tablets & Networking,  Video Game Consoles 6% Consumer Electronics,  Cameras & Photos, Coins & Paper Money, Stamps 7% Musical Instruments & Gear 8% Motors Parts & Accessories 9% Clothing, Shoes & Accessories,  Collectibles,  Home & Garden,  Camera & Photo Accessories,  Cell Phone Accessories,  Business & Industrial,  All Other Categories Some categoryexclusions apply. Premium Store $59.95 $49.95 Up to500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 15¢ 10¢ Anchor Store $199.95 $179.95 Up to2,500 FREElistings per month  (Exclusions apply) 10¢ 5¢ On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:57 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote:   Carey, I believe David at LBR was refering to the eBay selling costs getting out of hand. I used to sell on eBay about 5 years ago and have been told by a lot of eBay sellers that the listing fee, commission fee, etc. have risen to very high levels. I also understand eBay is now getting some kind of cut from the shipping and handling fees. David - aka BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@..> wrote: > > While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your > fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. > > Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at > what you consider reasonable. > > Carey > Carey Probst > Pennsyltucky RR > Chief Microferroequineologist > On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote: > > > > We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of > > hand with their prices as you all well know. > > > > To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at > > > > http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 > > > > Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / > > Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. > > > > LBR > > > > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73022	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: Re: NEW: Bid-Sales Page (Advertisement)

I don't think Dave was saying bids were to high. More like he didn't want to pay out part of it to E-Bay.  Mike   In a message dated 9/12/2013 6:43:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, s-scale@... writes:   While I appreciate what you are doing to keep prices down, it's not your fault if people but outrageous sums on your products. Take the extra money from e-bay and have private sales on the list at what you consider reasonable. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/10/2013 2:26 PM, David wrote:   We have decided to limit our sales on EBAY as they are getting out of hand with their prices as you all well know. To this end we have opened our own bid page at our web site at http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1378836804453 Please check it out. Our first item is a #628 Ballast / Generator / Work Car. A GREAT addition to most every ones high rail layout. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73023	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: Re: Ebay and Shipping Costs

Hi Alan and Other Colleagues, There must be some differences between accounts. The shipping through eBay is always cheaper for me than it would be at the Post Office. The Post Office will not allow me to ship online if I am using First Class and eBay will. Important for small items. It is true that the eBay USPS costs are a good match for the online USPS rates, but, it is way more convenient to just click and use the funds in my PayPal account rather than the Levitical process of logging on the the USPS site, drilling down through endless pages of options and sending credit card information. We also need to remember that the reason eBay charges their rates on shipping is the abuse of the shipping costs that has been rampant on eBay in the past. An item might have a starting bid price of $1 and shipping of $20 for a 5 ounce part. I think I need to add some REA cars to my train roster. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 9/12/2013 9:10 AM, alan smith wrote:   Mike, For those of us that do this as a hobby and NOT a business their fees are a factor.  Shipping cost is almost to the penny to the P/O -- NO savings.   I don't need their labels. I can make a label and stick it on the box.  I too have NO negs. but the beat goes on.  Many times the shipping cost is lower than projected by ebay so I provide a refund.  As a reminder, the seller is not supposed to make money on  S & H.  Insurance now comes, at no charge, with PO shipping.  Most time First class will arrive the same day as priority with much less of a price tag.  The old saying goes "if you dance you have to pay the fiddler"   The fiddler is making a killing in this case do to no competition.  However, they do protect a seller & buyer from losses & this has value. Just saying and have a great day.    A

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73024	From: David	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: FREE U.P. Decals - USA Only (Advertisement)

Sign our "NEW GUEST BOOK" today 09-13-2013 and we will send you one (1) FREE pair of FULL COLOR Union Pacific heralds in "S" scale. Your information will be added to our client lists which will be used to inform you when we have NEW ITEMS AND/OR OFFERS that we believe you can use in your "S" hobby interests. Use the link below to get to the GUEST BOOK. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html Please tell your friends in the "S" trains hobby about this offer so they can receive their FREE UP heralds. LBR Enterprises,llc will not share this information with any other entity or persons now or in future!! LBR Enterprises,llc www.lbrenterprisesllc.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73025	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE Week 2

This week I change direction and tell the tragic story of "Frank Lockhart: Racing Sensation" on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com .  It's worth the read even if you're not into auto racing.      Next week I turn to railroading for my subject. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73026	From: David	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: NEW CJ Side Rods Arrived (Advertisement)

Our NEW STOCK of a more acceptable side rod for the AF Casey Jones has finally arrived. These steel side rods were produced via a water jet company in Ohio. Therefore made in the U.S.A. They can be viewed / purchased at our web site using the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/CASEY-JONES-Kit-Bashing-Page.html?_=1379080845916 The price is $5.25 per pair with FREE SHIPPING in CONUS. Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73027	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: Re: 766 Guilford Parts Needed

Sam, Hopefully you get this email. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sam & Peggy Pellegrino <boxcarsam@...> wrote: > > Please contact me off line. > > From: bull_gator_1@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:29:29 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] 766 Guilford Parts Needed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I am starting to restore a 766 Guilford station and need to find the three grey "guides" that mount on the platform floor. The ones I removed each have one "tab" missing. If you have a ratty 766 and would be willing to part with these pieces let me know. > > > > Thanks, > > > > David >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73028	From: rudypenne	Date: 9/13/2013
Subject: Re: Ebay and Shipping Costs

This is to Alan Smith.... The cost to ship a 10 oz package First class via PO  is $3.26 & you have to dive to the PO, Now the cost thru E-Bay is $2.90... And they pick it up.... The savings is $.36 not counting gas to the PO...The $.36 is big enough, not counting the gas & the waiting in line.  If you have a scale & get your info from the USPO site, you can save more than what your box costs you. DO NOT TRUST  E-BAY,You can trust their shipping rates AFTER the sale. But before you can get your approx & MAX shipping from the USPO site.  This is the method I use & I ship 20-30 boxes a week.  Mike   In a message dated 9/13/2013 6:19:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wpporter@... writes:   Hi Alan and Other Colleagues, There must be some differences between accounts. The shipping through eBay is always cheaper for me than it would be at the Post Office. The Post Office will not allow me to ship online if I am using First Class and eBay will. Important for small items. It is true that the eBay USPS costs are a good match for the online USPS rates, but, it is way more convenient to just click and use the funds in my PayPal account rather than the Levitical process of logging on the the USPS site, drilling down through endless pages of options and sending credit card information. We also need to remember that the reason eBay charges their rates on shipping is the abuse of the shipping costs that has been rampant on eBay in the past. An item might have a starting bid price of $1 and shipping of $20 for a 5 ounce part. I think I need to add some REA cars to my train roster. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 9/12/2013 9:10 AM, alan smith wrote:   Mike, For those of us that do this as a hobby and NOT a business their fees are a factor.  Shipping cost is almost to the penny to the P/O -- NO savings.   I don't need their labels. I can make a label and stick it on the box.  I too have NO negs. but the beat goes on.  Many times the shipping cost is lower than projected by ebay so I provide a refund.  As a reminder, the seller is not supposed to make money on  S & H.  Insurance now comes, at no charge, with PO shipping.  Most time First class will arrive the same day as priority with much less of a price tag.  The old saying goes "if you dance you have to pay the fiddler"   The fiddler is making a killing in this case do to no competition.  However, they do protect a seller & buyer from losses & this has value. Just saying and have a great day.    A

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73029	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/14/2013
Subject: Re: Ebay and Shipping Costs

I agree. And I have some REA cars for sale. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:55 AM, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:   Hi Alan and Other Colleagues, There must be some differences between accounts. The shipping through eBay is always cheaper for me than it would be at the Post Office. The Post Office will not allow me to ship online if I am using First Class and eBay will. Important for small items. It is true that the eBay USPS costs are a good match for the online USPS rates, but, it is way more convenient to just click and use the funds in my PayPal account rather than the Levitical process of logging on the the USPS site, drilling down through endless pages of options and sending credit card information. We also need to remember that the reason eBay charges their rates on shipping is the abuse of the shipping costs that has been rampant on eBay in the past. An item might have a starting bid price of $1 and shipping of $20 for a 5 ounce part. I think I need to add some REA cars to my train roster. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 9/12/2013 9:10 AM, alan smith wrote:   Mike, For those of us that do this as a hobby and NOT a business their fees are a factor.  Shipping cost is almost to the penny to the P/O -- NO savings.   I don't need their labels. I can make a label and stick it on the box.  I too have NO negs. but the beat goes on.  Many times the shipping cost is lower than projected by ebay so I provide a refund.  As a reminder, the seller is not supposed to make money on  S & H.  Insurance now comes, at no charge, with PO shipping.  Most time First class will arrive the same day as priority with much less of a price tag.  The old saying goes "if you dance you have to pay the fiddler"   The fiddler is making a killing in this case do to no competition.  However, they do protect a seller & buyer from losses & this has value. Just saying and have a great day.    A

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73030	From: alan smith	Date: 9/14/2013
Subject: Re: Ebay and Shipping Costs

To ALL,  If you're a business on a larger scale, U get special prices so enjoy it and do what works for you.  I don't have to buy boxes and I enjoy visiting our little PO, once or twice a week, as it's usually done while running other errands so it's not a special trip.  The fact remains everyone runs his own railroad to his own needs and liking.   So far we are still a free country, to each his own. I'm done with this party line topic. Hey Bill--- I worked for REA for a while on the second shift.  A railroad yard in the winter is a cold place.  I worked the night a guy backed a tug off the dock onto the tracks, when he fell off it made two pieces out of him, not a pretty sight.    REA -- the demise of a once huge company that was overcome by our better highway system and failing RxR.  Time marches on. Cheers, Alan Smith On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:32 PM, anormal1@... wrote:   This is to Alan Smith.... The cost to ship a 10 oz package First class via PO  is $3.26 & you have to dive to the PO, Now the cost thru E-Bay is $2.90... And they pick it up.... The savings is $.36 not counting gas to the PO...The $.36 is big enough, not counting the gas & the waiting in line.  If you have a scale & get your info from the USPO site, you can save more than what your box costs you. DO NOT TRUST  E-BAY,You can trust their shipping rates AFTER the sale. But before you can get your approx & MAX shipping from the USPO site.  This is the method I use & I ship 20-30 boxes a week.  Mike   In a message dated 9/13/2013 6:19:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wpporter@... writes:   Hi Alan and Other Colleagues, There must be some differences between accounts. The shipping through eBay is always cheaper for me than it would be at the Post Office. The Post Office will not allow me to ship online if I am using First Class and eBay will. Important for small items. It is true that the eBay USPS costs are a good match for the online USPS rates, but, it is way more convenient to just click and use the funds in my PayPal account rather than the Levitical process of logging on the the USPS site, drilling down through endless pages of options and sending credit card information. We also need to remember that the reason eBay charges their rates on shipping is the abuse of the shipping costs that has been rampant on eBay in the past. An item might have a starting bid price of $1 and shipping of $20 for a 5 ounce part. I think I need to add some REA cars to my train roster. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 9/12/2013 9:10 AM, alan smith wrote:   Mike, For those of us that do this as a hobby and NOT a business their fees are a factor.  Shipping cost is almost to the penny to the P/O -- NO savings.   I don't need their labels. I can make a label and stick it on the box.  I too have NO negs. but the beat goes on.  Many times the shipping cost is lower than projected by ebay so I provide a refund.  As a reminder, the seller is not supposed to make money on  S & H.  Insurance now comes, at no charge, with PO shipping.  Most time First class will arrive the same day as priority with much less of a price tag.  The old saying goes "if you dance you have to pay the fiddler"   The fiddler is making a killing in this case do to no competition.  However, they do protect a seller & buyer from losses & this has value. Just saying and have a great day.    A

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73031	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/14/2013
Subject: Re: Ebay and Shipping Costs

Thanks for that info Alan and thanks also to Bob - somewhere upstairs I suspect. I was really just trying to get a train reference into the thread. My uncle worked for and retired from REA decades ago. He had stories to tell. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 9/14/2013 7:22 AM, alan smith wrote: ??To ALL, ??If you're a??business??on a larger scale,??U get special prices so enjoy it and do what works for you.????I don't have to buy boxes and I enjoy visiting our little PO, once or twice a week, as it's??usually done while running other errands so it's not a special trip. ??The fact remains everyone runs his own railroad to his own needs and liking. ????So far we are still a free country, to each his own. I'm done with this party line topic. Hey Bill--- I worked for REA for a while on the second shift. ??A railroad yard in the winter is a cold place. ??I worked the night a guy backed a tug off the dock onto the tracks, when he fell off??it made two pieces out of him, not a pretty sight. ?? ??REA -- the demise of a once huge company that was overcome by our better highway system and failing RxR. ??Time marches on. Cheers, Alan Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73032	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/14/2013
Subject: NEW OFFERING (Advertisement)

We have a #930 "RED" (not Tuscan) American Flyer (not American Flyer Lines) up for bid at   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1379190702302   for a two (2) day period. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73033	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/14/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/15/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 15, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73034	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/15/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/15/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 15, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73035	From: hunbet	Date: 9/15/2013
Subject: Unable to post photos

The moderators or list owner needs to correct this.All of my other yahoo groups work fine. You don't have permission to post photos If you don't see the “Photos” link on your group's main page (or if there is no “Add Photos” button on the "Photos" page), you do not have permission to post to the group as the group. Some groups don't allow any members to post photos, but it may also be because the moderator of the group has explicitly removed your posting privileges. Either way, you'll need to contact the group's moderator in order to restore your ability to post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73036	From: carl4flyer	Date: 9/15/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos

All members have rights to post photos.   I looked at the photos section and you can indeed edit your current album, or create a new one to post photos in. The add photos option is there in the albums.   Carl  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The moderators or list owner needs to correct this.All of my other yahoo groups work fine. You don't have permission to post photos If you don't see the “Photos” link on your group's main page (or if there is no “Add Photos” button on the "Photos" page), you do not have permission to post to the group as the group. Some groups don't allow any members to post photos, but it may also be because the moderator of the group has explicitly removed your posting privileges. Either way, you'll need to contact the group's moderator in order to restore your ability to post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73037	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/15/2013
Subject: Who prepairs Lionel's catalogs ?

The Lionel Fall 2013 Catalog.  http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/interactive/2013nbs/index.html   I have always had an issue with LTI/ AF cars being high priced while not even made in the USA and looks like the ACG molds were still being used. On page 56 & 57 they show a former link coupler cattle car frame with new couplers for 2013. On the same page, there is a listing for the AF Christmas car labeled 2012. Maybe if the prices were better they would sell more and faster. I must say the new AF engine products are outstanding.  Just my 2 track opinon, Frank Emiro

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73038	From: David	Date: 9/16/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item at bid-sales (LBR Enterprises,llc) Advertisement

We are now offering an AMERICAL FLYER #926 three (3) dome tank car rated in an "EXCELLENT CONDITION". Please take a look at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html This as will all of our auctions, be for a period of two (2) days only. If you miss this auction you have missed a chance to obtain "S" items at reasonable prices and as always with "FREE SHIPPING" in CONUS. You will notice that we have a starting price just like the other on-line-auctions. However, we also have an MSRP and when applicable Greenberg's Price Guide quote. Unlike the other on-line-auctions we truly do not want you to over pay for the items we offer. With the information we post at each auction we give you the tools to make an informed decision which saves you money and you actually "GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR". "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73039	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 9/16/2013
Subject: Re: Seattle hobby shops

So as a follow up I made it to The Electric Train Shop, in Burien, Wa.  The had 2 displaly cases of vintage flyer and 1 or 2 new items.  Overall, I think that's pretty good for the Pacific northwest region. Neil in Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I was told some time ago the Electric Train Shop, in Burien had some S. I've never been however, so a call before you go would be advisable. Their address is 625 SW 152nd. My notes say they're open 11-6 Tuesday through Saturday. You can probably "google" them and find out more. Good Luck, Bill Kelso, WA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73040	From: hunbet	Date: 9/16/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos

When I click on photos from the home page the box that says + New Album is not there on the right side of the screen.Also my album that I had gas been removed. On all of my other yahoo groups on the right of the photo page is the box +New Album. --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: All members have rights to post photos.   I looked at the photos section and you can indeed edit your current album, or create a new one to post photos in. The add photos option is there in the albums.   Carl  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The moderators or list owner needs to correct this.All of my other yahoo groups work fine. You don't have permission to post photos If you don't see the “Photos” link on your group's main page (or if there is no “Add Photos” button on the "Photos" page), you do not have permission to post to the group as the group. Some groups don't allow any members to post photos, but it may also be because the moderator of the group has explicitly removed your posting privileges. Either way, you'll need to contact the group's moderator in order to restore your ability to post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73041	From: racin510	Date: 9/16/2013
Subject: Re: Seattle hobby shops

Eastside Trains in Kirkland, NE of Seattle, likely has a lot more both vintage and Lio/Flyer. They carry all the latest locomotives except the Mikado.  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: So as a follow up I made it to The Electric Train Shop, in Burien, Wa.  The had 2 displaly cases of vintage flyer and 1 or 2 new items.  Overall, I think that's pretty good for the Pacific northwest region. Neil in Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I was told some time ago the Electric Train Shop, in Burien had some S. I've never been however, so a call before you go would be advisable. Their address is 625 SW 152nd. My notes say they're open 11-6 Tuesday through Saturday. You can probably "google" them and find out more. Good Luck, Bill Kelso, WA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73042	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 9/16/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos

From: Alan Lambert           Fort Worth, Texas Carl is correct.  When I just went there, it says  add photo: add album  the + sign is replaced by the add. I have Mozilla Firefox as my server and they had a plug in to get me back the old group. It has been posted on this list.         Alan Lambert   From: "68cuda440@..." <68cuda440@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Unable to post photos    When I click on photos from the home page the box that says + New Album is not there on the right side of the screen.Also my album that I had gas been removed. On all of my other yahoo groups on the right of the photo page is the box +New Album. --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: All members have rights to post photos.   I looked at the photos section and you can indeed edit your current album, or create a new one to post photos in. The add photos option is there in the albums.   Carl  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The moderators or list owner needs to correct this.All of my other yahoo groups work fine. You don't have permission to post photos If you don't see the “Photos” link on your group's main page (or if there is no “Add Photos” button on the "Photos" page), you do not have permission to post to the group as the group. Some groups don't allow any members to post photos, but it may also be because the moderator of the group has explicitly removed your posting privileges. Either way, you'll need to contact the group's moderator in order to restore your ability to post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73043	From: lbrenterprisesllc	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: Up Date To Our Universal Power Trucks (Advertisement)

Now for an up date to our UNIVERSAL POWER TRUCKS (all/full wheel contact truck). We have added a NEW TRUCK to the other two (2) LBR Brand power trucks. The number is #UPT091713-WL. This truck has an LED wired in and is intended to illuminate any AF caboose (1946 - 1966) with out any wiring or soldering on your part. Simply remove the existing truck and install (instructions included) our NEW POWER TRUCK WITH LED. Especially great for the later five digit cabooses or any other rolling stock you wish to put them in. This NEW LBR Brand power truck and the others can be viewed/purchased using the link below http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1379419612168 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73044	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: Re: Who prepairs Lionel's catalogs ?

I'm sure there is lots of photo shopping until the actual product, or at least prototype, is done.  There are lots of other problems and glitches.  Like the recent reefer that was advertised and the box labeled wood reefer but the actual car was a rehashed Gilbert steel reefer.  Still, it looked very nice.  But, you have to take all pre-production photos with a grain of salt. Wayne  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The Lionel Fall 2013 Catalog.  http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/interactive/2013nbs/index.html   I have always had an issue with LTI/ AF cars being high priced while not even made in the USA and looks like the ACG molds were still being used. On page 56 & 57 they show a former link coupler cattle car frame with new couplers for 2013. On the same page, there is a listing for the AF Christmas car labeled 2012. Maybe if the prices were better they would sell more and faster. I must say the new AF engine products are outstanding.  Just my 2 track opinon, Frank Emiro

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73045	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: Checking posting capability

Checking posting capability with new Yahoo format.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73046	From: Ted Walton	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: 12B transformer

Can anyone give me a link to wiring/repair diagram for the AF 12B transformer. Need to replace the cord and clean-up/repair the circuit breaker - red light doesn't come on when the breaker trips. Bulb is ok and the breaker works. Thanks. Ted Walton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73047	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos

Does me no good.  I cannot get into my album, nor any other albums.  I may be able to create a new album, but I'm not going to do that.  I will post future photos on the S gauge division of the O gauge forum. Wayne  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: All members have rights to post photos.   I looked at the photos section and you can indeed edit your current album, or create a new one to post photos in. The add photos option is there in the albums.   Carl  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The moderators or list owner needs to correct this.All of my other yahoo groups work fine. You don't have permission to post photos If you don't see the “Photos” link on your group's main page (or if there is no “Add Photos” button on the "Photos" page), you do not have permission to post to the group as the group. Some groups don't allow any members to post photos, but it may also be because the moderator of the group has explicitly removed your posting privileges. Either way, you'll need to contact the group's moderator in order to restore your ability to post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73048	From: EDWARD	Date: 9/17/2013
Subject: Possible old format solution

Here is a possible solution for some of you. It was posted on the S-Scale list by Alan Lambert. To get back on the old format there is a plug in at http://ehibbert.org.uk/extension/install.html He used Mozilla Firefox for a browser. I haven't tried it as everything is working fine for me with windows 7 and explorer. Ed Eckert moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73049	From: David	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: LBR NEW Power Trucks At Auction (Advertisement)

We are now offering a pair of LBR Enterprises brand "UNIVERSAL POWER TRUCKS" (all wheel contact). These trucks are NEW.  Please take a look at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html This as will all of our auctions, be for a period of two (2) days only. If you miss this auction you have missed a chance to obtain "S" items at reasonable prices and as always with "FREE SHIPPING" in CONUS.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73050	From: David	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Power Trucks For Link Operators

We have once again been approached by John in California to produce another NEW ITEM for "S". All wheel contact power trucks for link operators. We are up to model six (6) which looks very promising indeed. We would like to hear from the link operators if this is something they will buy to up grade their E&T's and / or rolling stock. More up dates on our progress later. "The Crew At LBR".

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73051	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Re: Possible old format solution

Thanks to Ed, our moderator, I am now able to post messages again.  As for posting photos to my photo album, still no luck.  No "Add Photos" tab on the page.  Not sure I want to download the suggested fix from ehibbert.org.uk, not knowing the source or it's safety.  I guess until Yahoo gets it's act together and fixes the bugs in the new format, I won't be able to share new photos.    --- In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <ejenterp@...> wrote: Here is a possible solution for some of you. It was posted on the S-Scale list by Alan Lambert. To get back on the old format there is a plug in at http://ehibbert.org.uk/extension/install.html He used Mozilla Firefox for a browser. I haven't tried it as everything is working fine for me with windows 7 and explorer. Ed Eckert moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73052	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Re: Possible old format solution

All you have to do is this: 1. on the left where you see home, Messages, post where I went to make this post,Files, photos click on it: you will see on the right side top where it says Album post new pictures. It is all there. Hope this helps everyone Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73053	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos

Hi Carl,      Love the work you do on your trains and layout. You are a real craftsman I wish I had your skills. I just checked to see if I can add photos and I do not have the add New Album button to the right when I click on Albums. I checked all the other groups that I belong to and the button is there. I hate to be a pain but can you check or am I doing something wrong? Thanks, Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: All members have rights to post photos.   I looked at the photos section and you can indeed edit your current album, or create a new one to post photos in. The add photos option is there in the albums.   Carl  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The moderators or list owner needs to correct this.All of my other yahoo groups work fine. You don't have permission to post photos If you don't see the “Photos” link on your group's main page (or if there is no “Add Photos” button on the "Photos" page), you do not have permission to post to the group as the group. Some groups don't allow any members to post photos, but it may also be because the moderator of the group has explicitly removed your posting privileges. Either way, you'll need to contact the group's moderator in order to restore your ability to post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73054	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos

From : Alan Lambert Lou,  All you have to do is go to the group home page. On the left under Home go to photos click on the link and it puts you on the photo's section. There you will find on the right side where you can add or edit albums. I  know it is there i just got off of it. It is real easy to do.        Alan Lambert   From: "lou342ac@..." <lou342ac@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: RE: Unable to post photos    Hi Carl,      Love the work you do on your trains and layout. You are a real craftsman I wish I had your skills. I just checked to see if I can add photos and I do not have the add New Album button to the right when I click on Albums. I checked all the other groups that I belong to and the button is there. I hate to be a pain but can you check or am I doing something wrong? Thanks, Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: All members have rights to post photos.   I looked at the photos section and you can indeed edit your current album, or create a new one to post photos in. The add photos option is there in the albums.   Carl  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The moderators or list owner needs to correct this.All of my other yahoo groups work fine. You don't have permission to post photos If you don't see the “Photos” link on your group's main page (or if there is no “Add Photos” button on the "Photos" page), you do not have permission to post to the group as the group. Some groups don't allow any members to post photos, but it may also be because the moderator of the group has explicitly removed your posting privileges. Either way, you'll need to contact the group's moderator in order to restore your ability to post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73055	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Lionel/American Flyer Special

Good afternoon S-Gaugers.   Check out my special Lionel American Flyer GP-20 Illinois Central Gulf, 48001, and two cars on my website http://www.americanflyertrains4u.com/.  I have discounted the price by 10 % to $220.50 from $245.00.  The two cars include the Illinois Central Box Car from 1986, and the Bay Window Caboose, 48701 from 1987.  This is a brand new train.  It has never been run.  The first person to contact me with a check, M.O. or Cashiers check offer will get the train and cars.  Shipping will be additional.    I'll be offering other 10% offers each month on the Lionel American Flyer trains.  See the complete list on my website L/AF tab.     Have a great day and thanks for checking out is message.    Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73056	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/18/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos

Alan, I'm sure what you are saying is true for what you are able to view.  But I can assure you that there is nothing like what you describe on what comes up on my screen.  No "Photos" on the left side of the Yahoo Groups page.  Plus, on the S-Trains group, after clicking on photos, there is no tab for creating a new album and in my existing album, no tab to post a new photo.  And it's not just me.  A lot of folks are having the same issues that I have described.  I'm glad it's all working for you, but that is not the case far a lot of others.  For a while I couldn't even post a message, but Ed, one of our moderators fixed that......but the photo posting issue still exists for a lot of us. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: From : Alan Lambert Lou,  All you have to do is go to the group home page. On the left under Home go to photos click on the link and it puts you on the photo's section. There you will find on the right side where you can add or edit albums. I  know it is there i just got off of it. It is real easy to do.        Alan Lambert   From: "lou342ac@..." <lou342ac@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: RE: Unable to post photos    Hi Carl,      Love the work you do on your trains and layout. You are a real craftsman I wish I had your skills. I just checked to see if I can add photos and I do not have the add New Album button to the right when I click on Albums. I checked all the other groups that I belong to and the button is there. I hate to be a pain but can you check or am I doing something wrong? Thanks, Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: All members have rights to post photos.   I looked at the photos section and you can indeed edit your current album, or create a new one to post photos in. The add photos option is there in the albums.   Carl  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The moderators or list owner needs to correct this.All of my other yahoo groups work fine. You don't have permission to post photos If you don't see the “Photos” link on your group's main page (or if there is no “Add Photos” button on the "Photos" page), you do not have permission to post to the group as the group. Some groups don't allow any members to post photos, but it may also be because the moderator of the group has explicitly removed your posting privileges. Either way, you'll need to contact the group's moderator in order to restore your ability to post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73057	From: snstrains	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: S-Helper Reefers for sale

SnS Trains has just listed 4 SHS reefers (3 billboard) on ebay to start Thursday at 6:30 Pm Pacific time. Anyone interested in any of them can contact me and if you want any, I can pull them before the go up. Call for a listing.   Steve 208-376-1159 email boss31@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73058	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Reefers for sale

Hey Steve, Got pictures and prices if I want one? thanks Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/19/2013 1:10 AM, boss31@... wrote:   SnS Trains has just listed 4 SHS reefers (3 billboard) on ebay to start Thursday at 6:30 Pm Pacific time. Anyone interested in any of them can contact me and if you want any, I can pull them before the go up. Call for a listing.   Steve 208-376-1159 email boss31@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73059	From: DennisC	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: What gives on this crazy new site

Sometimes I get the new site without message numbers and sometimes I do, also Sometimes I also get the old site back ??? I don't mind the new site but find missing message numbers to be a real pain. Any one else having this trouble? Thanks guys.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73060	From: snstrains	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper Reefers for sale

Yep....$45 each Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho In a message dated 9/19/2013 8:41:04 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, s-scale@... writes: Hey Steve, Got pictures and prices if I want one? thanks Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 9/19/2013 1:10 AM, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote: SnS Trains has just listed 4 SHS reefers (3 billboard) on ebay to start Thursday at 6:30 Pm Pacific time. Anyone interested in any of them can contact me and if you want any, I can pull them before the go up. Call for a listing. Steve 208-376-1159 email _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73061	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Engine runs only forward

I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73062	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos

From: Alan Lambert If you have been NEOed, here is what I did to get back to the old format where everything works. One thing that is important. 1. What browser are you using. 2.  I am using Mozilla Firefox. 3. the following link worked for me. 4. http://ehibbert.org.uk/extension/install.html 5 As far as I know it only works with Mozilla Firefox. As stated I have the old  group format thathas all of the features I stated earlier.         Alan Lambert From: "milepost407@..." <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: RE: Re: [S-Trains] RE: RE: Unable to post photos   Alan, I'm sure what you are saying is true for what you are able to view.  But I can assure you that there is nothing like what you describe on what comes up on my screen.  No "Photos" on the left side of the Yahoo Groups page.  Plus, on the S-Trains group, after clicking on photos, there is no tab for creating a new album and in my existing album, no tab to post a new photo.  And it's not just me.  A lot of folks are having the same issues that I have described.  I'm glad it's all working for you, but that is not the case far a lot of others.  For a while I couldn't even post a message, but Ed, one of our moderators fixed that......but the photo posting issue still exists for a lot of us. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: From : Alan Lambert Lou,  All you have to do is go to the group home page. On the left under Home go to photos click on the link and it puts you on the photo's section. There you will find on the right side where you can add or edit albums. I  know it is there i just got off of it. It is real easy to do.        Alan Lambert   From: "lou342ac@..." <lou342ac@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:31 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: RE: Unable to post photos    Hi Carl,      Love the work you do on your trains and layout. You are a real craftsman I wish I had your skills. I just checked to see if I can add photos and I do not have the add New Album button to the right when I click on Albums. I checked all the other groups that I belong to and the button is there. I hate to be a pain but can you check or am I doing something wrong? Thanks, Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: All members have rights to post photos.   I looked at the photos section and you can indeed edit your current album, or create a new one to post photos in. The add photos option is there in the albums.   Carl  --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The moderators or list owner needs to correct this.All of my other yahoo groups work fine. You don't have permission to post photos If you don't see the “Photos” link on your group's main page (or if there is no “Add Photos” button on the "Photos" page), you do not have permission to post to the group as the group. Some groups don't allow any members to post photos, but it may also be because the moderator of the group has explicitly removed your posting privileges. Either way, you'll need to contact the group's moderator in order to restore your ability to post.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73063	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos

Alan,     Below is what I what I see when I click on the Album Tab. I do not see a Add Album button. Below is a print screen from my PC.  Thanks, Lou

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73064	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward

Also, I am asking on this, 24565 FY&RR CANNON CAR ORIGINAL CANNON? PMC ASK   Frank R. EMIRO From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73065	From: David	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: NEW Full Contact Link Power Trucks

Well we have been very busy working on John's link power truck and we finally have a GREAT NEW LINK FULL CONTACT POWER TRUCK that solves all of the electrical problems just like our NEW KNUCKLE COUPLER POWER TRUCK does. We have just one photo of the new truck at our web site with the other 3 photos coming soon. These new power trucks are now for sale / viewing at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html on our web site. We offer both 6 & 9 spring styles. These are in very limited production as there is a lot of hand work involved in these so please allow 7-14 working days for delivery. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73066	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Unable to post photos

Yup. Me too. It is different from my other Yahoo Group memberships. Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 9/18/2013 7:53 PM, lou342ac@... wrote: Alan, ???????????? Below is what I what I see when I click on the Album Tab. I do not see a Add Album button. Below is a print screen from my PC.???? Thanks, Lou

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73067	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward

Hi Bob-- Is the loc AC or DC . If it's an old flyer, you may have a sticky reverse unit. You can try an electrical conductor lube on the fingers of the reverse unit, or replace it with an electronic Dallee E unit. Thanks CJB ----- Original Message ----- From: The Upstairs Train To: s-trains list Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73068	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward

Hi Bob,                     Check the upper reverse unit fingers. These may not be making contact on the reverse unit drum and the sequence of the reverse unit may be missing the forward position.                                                        Tom Seccia From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73069	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse

Pardon the confusion; it runs only in reverse. I corrected the text of the message before sending it, but forgot the subject.   I should have mentioned that I cleaned the reversing unit drum and fingers, and made sure the fingers were making contact with the drum. It is cycling reliably through all four positions. Those were my first thoughts, too. But maybe Tom is onto something. I've never studied the wiring diagram to figure out how reversing works. Are you saying that the upper fingers are forward and the lower fingers are reverse? Perhaps there is a bad wiring connection somewhere between the upper fingers and the motor. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Hi Bob,                     Check the upper reverse unit fingers. These may not be making contact on the reverse unit drum and the sequence of the reverse unit may be missing the forward position.                                                        Tom Seccia From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73070	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse

Hi Bob,                      If the fingers are touching the upper position and the lower position and still going in reverse you may want to check the wiring.  Which locomotive are you working on. If it has a jack panel the 4 hole wires different that a 5 wire. The 5th wire is very important.                                                       Tom Seccia From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse   Pardon the confusion; it runs only in reverse. I corrected the text of the message before sending it, but forgot the subject.   I should have mentioned that I cleaned the reversing unit drum and fingers, and made sure the fingers were making contact with the drum. It is cycling reliably through all four positions. Those were my first thoughts, too. But maybe Tom is onto something. I've never studied the wiring diagram to figure out how reversing works. Are you saying that the upper fingers are forward and the lower fingers are reverse? Perhaps there is a bad wiring connection somewhere between the upper fingers and the motor. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Hi Bob,                     Check the upper reverse unit fingers. These may not be making contact on the reverse unit drum and the sequence of the reverse unit may be missing the forward position.                                                        Tom Seccia From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73071	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse

Does it attempt with a momentery shudder to do something when it cycles to forward? If so you may be looking at the absence of spacing washers between the bottom of the armature and the bosy of the motor.  Though usually in that case they will run, but very poorly forward. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse   Pardon the confusion; it runs only in reverse. I corrected the text of the message before sending it, but forgot the subject.   I should have mentioned that I cleaned the reversing unit drum and fingers, and made sure the fingers were making contact with the drum. It is cycling reliably through all four positions. Those were my first thoughts, too. But maybe Tom is onto something. I've never studied the wiring diagram to figure out how reversing works. Are you saying that the upper fingers are forward and the lower fingers are reverse? Perhaps there is a bad wiring connection somewhere between the upper fingers and the motor Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Hi Bob,                     Check the upper reverse unit fingers. These may not be making contact on the reverse unit drum and the sequence of the reverse unit may be missing the forward position.                                                        Tom Seccia From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73072	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 9/19/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse

Bob,  when I've had this problem it has been because the reverse unit was wired wrong.  Is it a 4-wire or 5-wire harness? Neil in Oregon From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse   Pardon the confusion; it runs only in reverse. I corrected the text of the message before sending it, but forgot the subject.   I should have mentioned that I cleaned the reversing unit drum and fingers, and made sure the fingers were making contact with the drum. It is cycling reliably through all four positions. Those were my first thoughts, too. But maybe Tom is onto something. I've never studied the wiring diagram to figure out how reversing works. Are you saying that the upper fingers are forward and the lower fingers are reverse? Perhaps there is a bad wiring connection somewhere between the upper fingers and the motor. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Hi Bob,                     Check the upper reverse unit fingers. These may not be making contact on the reverse unit drum and the sequence of the reverse unit may be missing the forward position.                                                        Tom Seccia From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73073	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse

Also look at a diagram, make sure that the drum has all the fingers it is suppose to have, a trick I learned is that I soak the e unit in wd40 overnight then carefully clean the excess off and test it on the track without the engine to see if everything is turning correctly, then I will clean the drum if necessary, 90 percent of the time it just needed a good cleaning, good luck From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse   Pardon the confusion; it runs only in reverse. I corrected the text of the message before sending it, but forgot the subject.   I should have mentioned that I cleaned the reversing unit drum and fingers, and made sure the fingers were making contact with the drum. It is cycling reliably through all four positions. Those were my first thoughts, too. But maybe Tom is onto something. I've never studied the wiring diagram to figure out how reversing works. Are you saying that the upper fingers are forward and the lower fingers are reverse? Perhaps there is a bad wiring connection somewhere between the upper fingers and the motor. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Hi Bob,                     Check the upper reverse unit fingers. These may not be making contact on the reverse unit drum and the sequence of the reverse unit may be missing the forward position.                                                        Tom Seccia From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73074	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for 9/20/13

Today's story is "Railroad Caboose" on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com .  There was a time when every freight train, whether on the real railroads or around the Christmas Tree, had a caboose.  have you ever wondered how these cars came about, what they were for, or why we don't see them much anymore?   I tell that story today on STUMPY'S MACHINE.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73075	From: mike boyd	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse

Check your brushes and springs. I had one do the same thing, but on an engine stand with the wheels floating, ran fine in both directions. The minute the wheels touched the track, the armathure would torque away from the brushes and lose contact. Good luck. Mike  From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse Pardon the confusion; it runs only in reverse. I corrected the text of the message before sending it, but forgot the subject.   I should have mentioned that I cleaned the reversing unit drum and fingers, and made sure the fingers were making contact with the drum. It is cycling reliably through all four positions. Those were my first thoughts, too. But maybe Tom is onto something. I've never studied the wiring diagram to figure out how reversing works. Are you saying that the upper fingers are forward and the lower fingers are reverse? Perhaps there is a bad wiring connection somewhere between the upper fingers and the motor. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Hi Bob,                     Check the upper reverse unit fingers. These may not be making contact on the reverse unit drum and the sequence of the reverse unit may be missing the forward position.                                                        Tom Seccia From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73076	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse

The circuit diagram of the 4-step and the 2-step reverse units is shown in my AF Repair Guide. It shows how the current is directed to the motor to make it go forward and reverse. It is not as simple as "the top makes it go forward and the bottom makes it go into reverse." Tom Barker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73077	From: David	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM at our bid-sales at LBR (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73078	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse

Bob,      Doug Peck at portliness has the wiring diagrams on his site. Dave     From: mike boyd <toorailer@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse   Check your brushes and springs. I had one do the same thing, but on an engine stand with the wheels floating, ran fine in both directions. The minute the wheels touched the track, the armathure would torque away from the brushes and lose contact. Good luck. Mike  From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse Pardon the confusion; it runs only in reverse. I corrected the text of the message before sending it, but forgot the subject.   I should have mentioned that I cleaned the reversing unit drum and fingers, and made sure the fingers were making contact with the drum. It is cycling reliably through all four positions. Those were my first thoughts, too. But maybe Tom is onto something. I've never studied the wiring diagram to figure out how reversing works. Are you saying that the upper fingers are forward and the lower fingers are reverse? Perhaps there is a bad wiring connection somewhere between the upper fingers and the motor. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Hi Bob,                     Check the upper reverse unit fingers. These may not be making contact on the reverse unit drum and the sequence of the reverse unit may be missing the forward position.                                                        Tom Seccia From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73079	From: David	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: NEW PRODUCTS AT FICUS PRODUCTS (Advertisement)

Well, here we are and September is winding to an end and October will be upon us before we know it.     Looks like October will start out strong for FICUS PRODUCTS of Hamilton, OH. They will have two (2) new to "S" offerings. When you get a spare moment check them out at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/FICUS-PRODUCTS.html Thank you all for your continuing support. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73080	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse

Like I said make sure there is a spacer washer on the bottom of the armature to take up the float or that is what happens. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 04:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse   Check your brushes and springs. I had one do the same thing, but on an engine stand with the wheels floating, ran fine in both directions. The minute the wheels touched the track, the armathure would torque away from the brushes and lose contact. Good luck. Mike  From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse Pardon the confusion; it runs only in reverse. I corrected the text of the message before sending it, but forgot the subject.   I should have mentioned that I cleaned the reversing unit drum and fingers, and made sure the fingers were making contact with the drum. It is cycling reliably through all four positions. Those were my first thoughts, too. But maybe Tom is onto something. I've never studied the wiring diagram to figure out how reversing works. Are you saying that the upper fingers are forward and the lower fingers are reverse? Perhaps there is a bad wiring connection somewhere between the upper fingers and the motor. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Hi Bob,                     Check the upper reverse unit fingers. These may not be making contact on the reverse unit drum and the sequence of the reverse unit may be missing the forward position.                                                        Tom Seccia From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73081	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward

Sorry, it's gone Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Also, I am asking on this, 24565 FY&RR CANNON CAR ORIGINAL CANNON? PMC ASK   Frank R. EMIRO From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73082	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward - no: reverse

In reverse the worm throws the armature and comutator towards the brushes, so it makes better contact and runs ok. In forward the worm throws it away from the brushes so if the brushes are worn and dirty and stuck in the guides(both of which need cleaning with contact cleaner) it does not run well forward, or not at all if the brushes are stuck enough. The space washer at the bottom keeps the commutator in contact with the brushes by stopping the armature moving up and down. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 05:52:59 +0930 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse   Like I said make sure there is a spacer washer on the bottom of the armature to take up the float or that is what happens. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 04:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse   Check your brushes and springs. I had one do the same thing, but on an engine stand with the wheels floating, ran fine in both directions. The minute the wheels touched the track, the armathure would torque away from the brushes and lose contact. Good luck. Mike  From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward - no: reverse Pardon the confusion; it runs only in reverse. I corrected the text of the message before sending it, but forgot the subject.   I should have mentioned that I cleaned the reversing unit drum and fingers, and made sure the fingers were making contact with the drum. It is cycling reliably through all four positions. Those were my first thoughts, too But maybe Tom is onto something. I've never studied the wiring diagram to figure out how reversing works. Are you saying that the upper fingers are forward and the lower fingers are reverse? Perhaps there is a bad wiring connection somewhere between the upper fingers and the motor. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Hi Bob,                     Check the upper reverse unit fingers. These may not be making contact on the reverse unit drum and the sequence of the reverse unit may be missing the forward position.                                                        Tom Seccia From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73083	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Re: Engine runs only forward

Thx for the reply.  Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote:   Sorry, it's gone Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   Also, I am asking on this, 24565 FY&RR CANNON CAR ORIGINAL CANNON? PMC ASK   Frank R. EMIRO From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Engine runs only forward   I have an engine that runs great In reverse, but not at all in forward. I have heard that a worn commutator can make it run slower in one direction than the other, but could that make it not run it all in forward? Is there anything else that could cause it? Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73084	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 9/20/2013
Subject: Unable to see or post pictures.

From: Alan Lambert Fort Worth, Texas For those of you that have been having problems, here is what I have found out on one of my other groups. This is a yahoo group. 1. If you do not use yahoo mail set up a yahoo mail account. Why Answer. 2. This person used Outlook as his e-mail, but had Yahoo mail account. He signed into his Yahoo mail account and started the group pictures,and was able to view the group as a whole. You may still need to use my earlier posted link to get back to the original yahoo group home page. Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73085	From: David	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Why full contact trucks?

We have been contacted by more than 100 people asking why they should up grade to full contact tender trucks. Looks like there are a bunch of folks out there running their high rail AF steamers that don't have a clue how they actually work. A little refresher is in line, so here goes. AF steamers receive their electrical power from the tender trucks. No power is received from the engine. All high rail AF 1946-1966 "S" steamers, except early Hudsons have only 4 metal electrical contact wheels (maybe a rail wiper also), 2 per side that feed power to the engine and all lighting plus the smoke unit if it has one. So, any disruption in wheel contact will cause engine stall or shuddering and lighting flicker. Such as going over a turn out or cross over. All wheel contact POWER TRUCKS eliminate almost if not all of this plus the motor & E unit run cooler as they are never starved for power. There are many other benefits in running full contact tender trucks but mostly a lot less head aches and more fun operating your AF high rail empire. Please remember that as far as we know we are the only company presently up grading the old flyer trucks to full contact trucks. Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR Enterprises,llc"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73086	From: scaler164	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: FOR SALE : Aztec Track Cleaning Car

I've decided to part with my Aztec Track Cleaning car.  A great little tool they are, but I've decided that I prefer another method of cleaning track that I used for years prior to getting this car... and I'd rather use the money for other projects.   These cars are available NEW from http://www.aztectrains.com/S_TS.html for $124.95 + shipping. I am asking only $75 for mine and that INCLUDES shipping... about half of retail price - $65 for car + $10 for shipping.   I will also consider trades of equal value.   See pix of this car at the links below : (This is what you will receive)        www.trainweb.org/seaboard/TEMP/AztecPRR257483a.JPG        www.trainweb.org/seaboard/TEMP/AztecPRR257483b.JPG   This is a PRR car, # 257483, and it comes with AF-type couplers, hi-rail wheels AND code 110 wheels.   It has been used no more than three times, and only briefly each time.   Contact me offline if interested.   Thanks.     John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73087	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Give me more power!

Back when I dabbled in S gauge in the seventies, one older guy did about as much as anyone to get uninterrupted electrical contact on a locomotive.  He made the lead and trailing truck on a Hudson and all the tender wheels pick up juice from the rails!  It had to have required a lot of engineering, with a lot of insulating, but that loco ran flawlessly.   He did something similar to a set of metal 600 series streamlined passenger cars, and added wires from car to car so that the power was picked up by all wheels in the train and "shared" by all the cars in the train.  The lights stayed bright and never flickered.   The drawback here was that the cars were hard wired together.  These days, I'd probably use mini plugs between cars so that they could be separated.  Another option today would be a small rechargeable battery in each car, or maybe a long life laptop style battery, eliminating pick up problems from the rails altogether.  A lot of Garden Railroaders do battery power and it works well.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73088	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Re: Give me more power!

Stumpy,      Did he power the engine it's self? We have, in the past, made the engine hot by drilling through the chassis horizontally and installed pick ups on the main drivers not unlike the early "HO" engines had. Wire wipers rode on the rims. Works 100% every time. Dave LBR From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Give me more power!   Back when I dabbled in S gauge in the seventies, one older guy did about as much as anyone to get uninterrupted electrical contact on a locomotive.  He made the lead and trailing truck on a Hudson and all the tender wheels pick up juice from the rails!  It had to have required a lot of engineering, with a lot of insulating, but that loco ran flawlessly.   He did something similar to a set of metal 600 series streamlined passenger cars, and added wires from car to car so that the power was picked up by all wheels in the train and "shared" by all the cars in the train.  The lights stayed bright and never flickered.   The drawback here was that the cars were hard wired together.  These days, I'd probably use mini plugs between cars so that they could be separated.  Another option today would be a small rechargeable battery in each car, or maybe a long life laptop style battery, eliminating pick up problems from the rails altogether.  A lot of Garden Railroaders do battery power and it works well.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73089	From: James Lyle	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Re: Give me more power!

Stumpy Check " Dallee. Com". Install LED strips with "Super Caps".   Check my presentations at Traincollectors.org.  Go to Netvision under NTTM.  I lift cars off of the track and they stay lit.  OF Course, I'm also a dealer ( official disclaimer ) Jim Lyle  Sent from my iPhone On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:28 PM, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Back when I dabbled in S gauge in the seventies, one older guy did about as much as anyone to get uninterrupted electrical contact on a locomotive.  He made the lead and trailing truck on a Hudson and all the tender wheels pick up juice from the rails!  It had to have required a lot of engineering, with a lot of insulating, but that loco ran flawlessly.   He did something similar to a set of metal 600 series streamlined passenger cars, and added wires from car to car so that the power was picked up by all wheels in the train and "shared" by all the cars in the train.  The lights stayed bright and never flickered.   The drawback here was that the cars were hard wired together.  These days, I'd probably use mini plugs between cars so that they could be separated.  Another option today would be a small rechargeable battery in each car, or maybe a long life laptop style battery, eliminating pick up problems from the rails altogether.  A lot of Garden Railroaders do battery power and it works well.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73090	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/22/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 22, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73091	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Re: Give me more power!

On 9/21/2013 12:28 PM, mrstumpy@... wrote: > The lights stayed bright and never flickered. If you wanted to "roll your own," you could probably use an LED lamp, a simple diode-regulator-cap power supply and achieve the same thing. Keep in mind the 7-16 volts the train runs on and anytime the voltage was above 7 VAC, the little power supply would light the LED and the cap would smooth over the rough spots. I like designing little things like that. The AC Gilbert electrics were very simple but often ingenious and a modern version can often be substituted. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73092	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: Off Topic - Lionel buyer

I am helping a friend sell her deceased father’s Lionel collection. As many here can associate with, since I had AF growing up I never learned about Lionel so I am of no help in identification.   Please reply directly to bill@... if you know of someone you feel is fair and honest, MUCH preferred in the South Jersey area or is not afraid to travel here. Name, email address and phone number please.   I sort of saw it today. It is about 7 standard storage tubs full so it is not a massive collection. Beyond that I have no idea what it is.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73093	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: SETS FOR SALE

AMERICAN FLYER SETS – 8-26-2013  BOXED   AF #                                                                       PRICE   100 ADVER                                                         150 1120                                                                       150 1120                                                                       150 1126                                                                       150 1152                                                                       175 1180                                                                       175 121811                                                                  200 128                                                                         100 20018                                                                    150 20018                                                                    150 20088                                                                    NOT LISTED IN TUFF 20105-1130                                                          150 20117                                                                    200 20119                                                                    NOT LISTED IN TUFF 20123                                                                    100 20175                                                                    100 20188                                                                    150 20207                                                                    185 20227                                                                    165 20232                                                                    180 20234                                                                    125 20240                                                                    175 20241                                                                    125 20310                                                                    275 20460                                                                    3000 20558                                                                    1800 20597                                                                    200 20605                                                                    500 20610                                                                    625 20615                                                                    600 20705                                                                    175 20705                                                                    175 20710                                                                    400 20763 20800                                                                    275 20814                                                                    800 30315                                                                    900 320FS 49                                                               500 39N3                                                                      500 4303A                                                                    400 4605                                                                       500 4607                                                                       500 4607A                                                                    350 4607A                                                                    350 4611                                                                       650 4611                                                                       650 4611A                                                                    500 4619A                                                                    900 4620A                                                                    900 4730A                                                                    800 4801A                                                                    200 48T                                                                         450 4904T                                                                    275 4904T                                                                    275 5001T                                                                    2800 5002T                                                                    4800 5004                                                                       800 5005WT                                                                                825 50T                                                                         500 5100T                                                                    NOT LISTED IN TUFF 5106WT                                                                                500 5109W                                                                   NOT LISTED IN TUFF 5204W                                                                   750 5205WX                                                                1400 5206W                                                                   950 5210W K                                                               950 5311T                                                                    275 5312T                                                                    175 5329K                                                                    500 5412T K                                                                                350 5419T K                                                                                550 5437T K                                                                                700 5630TBW                                                             575 85P                                                                         NOT LISTED IN TUFF 9991 9992   75 SETS                                                                                                                                                                                     GUYS AND GAL......... I am thinning my sets out and would like to give the list first crack. I am thinking about taking them to York but its a lot of work........ Contact me off line if interested....... rcon7@bellsouth  ....... Bob Conner AMERICAN FLYER SETS – 8-26-2013  UNBOXED   AF #                                                                       PRICE   283 – 3 CARS                                                      125 283 – 13 CARS                                                    250 4605                                                                       450 5107W                                                                   550 5317T                                                                    500 5417T                                                                    550 5540TBW                                                             800 5610T                                                                    200 20116 20183 SEARS 20550                                                                    275   11 SETS 75 SETS                  86 SETS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73094	From: traindavid	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: OT Delta Queen Steamboat needs your help NOW

This is off-topic, but about an important piece of American history that was built in 1927; The Delta Queen Steamboat. She ran until 2008, when she lost her exemption from the Safety of Ships at Sea law, an exemption that had been granted numerous times by congress since the law was enacted in 1966 with a minor flaw that applied to any overnight boat on the American Inland Rivers. Since 2008, a small group of Steamboat aficionados have been working to bring back this important piece of our history. Part of this effort has been to get the exemption back—and now we may succeed! There is a bipartisan bill in the house to grant the exemption; HR1961. It is on the House agenda to be voted on this Wednesday. A quick note to your representative to vote in favor may make the difference! This will help return the Delta Queen back to traveling the rivers at no direct cost to the taxpayers—we aren’t looking for funding, only for permission to run. BTW, The Delta Queen has an impeccable safety record over 85 years! Thanks! David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73095	From: scaler164	Date: 9/21/2013
Subject: SOLD : Aztec Track Cleaning Car

Groups,   WOW!!!  I have had such a HUGE (and FAST) response to this ad that I do not have time to reply to them all individually.  So please accept this as a one-size-fits-all update :   This model has been spoken for.  If you were not the one who received a reply from me, then you were unfortunately not the fastest draw in the west... or, in this case, the east, either.  This is probably a record breaking quickest sale of any item I've ever posted for sale.   But as always, I will hang on to all the e-mails I've received until the item is paid for just incase the fastest draw doesn't come through.   Unbelievable...     John Degnan Scaler164@... Scaler187@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73096	From: David	Date: 9/22/2013
Subject: Un-published VERY Special Offer

We have decided as an un-published SPECIAL OFFER and good only for a very limited time to celebrate our new line of up-graded AF ALL WHEEL CONTACT tender trucks to offer a $55.00 MSRP up grade to your 4 wheel SINTERED TRUCKS for ONLY $15.00 per truck (minimum 4 trucks per order). We will convert your Four (4) wheel SINTERED metal AF trucks to ALL WHEEL CONTACT trucks. This offer is good ONLY from October 1st. thru October 15th of 2013. Your trucks must arrive prior to October 15, 2013. We also include FREE RETURN SHIPPING in CONUS. You will be invoiced through Pay Pal when your trucks are ready for shipment. Send your trucks ( 4 truck minimum) to: LBR Enterprises,llc Attn: Offer #T-2013 P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 Include The Following With Your Order: Name: Address: City: Zip: Email Address: Phone Number: Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73097	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/22/2013
Subject: Give me more power!

Old Bill was a machinist at a local metal casting shop and had a small shop in his basement, along with a never finished S layout.  He did not pick up power from the drivers as I recall.  I suppose he figured that with both positive and negative being picked up by twelve tender wheels, four trailing truck wheels, and four lead truck wheels, that twenty pick up wheels was enough.   Yes, the idea of using LED lamps with a capacitor would be even easier than plugging each car together with wires to "share" the power picked up by all wheels.  Too bad for Bill that LED's didn't exist then.  You could probably just add a capacitor to each unmodified car and get "flickerless" lighting, couldn't you?   That seventies adventure I had with S gauge was 40 years ago, and the world was a different place.  Probably the first thing anyone could do is to keep all the wheels and wipers clean.  Bill just took the whole thing to another level.  There were a lot of guys kit bashing and modifying S then because we had no other choice, and imagination and skill was the order of the day.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73098	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/22/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/22/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 22, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73099	From: Brady	Date: 9/22/2013
Subject: Re: Give me more power!

<<...These days, I'd probably use mini plugs between cars so that they could be separated...>> FWIW Marklin and Brawa sell mini-connectors that might work, looks like they come in different sizes.. http://www.micromacromundo.com/brawa-3751-pin-connectors-16-mm-yellow.asp Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73100	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 9/22/2013
Subject: A.F. Lay-out for Sale

Due to a flooded basement, & my age, I have decided to sell my American Flyer train table & the lay-out itself. It sets up 42 inches off the floor so it was not damaged, & is in the shape of a backward letter "J". Would like to sell the entire table & contents to one person. There are approximately 30 some ceramic homes & buildings on the lay-outs plus a baseball field, and an upper level with mountains. There are also numerous A.F. operating accessories (751, 752, 759,760, 768, 771, 772, 779, 2 -792, 2 - 793, MTH 785, 583, etc. There is also a 30B & a 12B transformer with the lay-out. The track is original A.F. with black rubber road bed. I have pictures if you are interested. Buyer will have to take down the table in sections. This is located in Boulder, CO. I have pictures of the lay-out if you are interested. Price negotiable? Contact me off line at: gmichael.leahy@... Thanks, Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73101	From: David	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: Re: Give me more power!

Brady, In the old days we used small dress snaps and soldered the wires to them. When they hung down they look like break hoses. Still works today and at less cost than mini plugs.. Dave LBR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <bradyburdge@...> wrote: > > > > <<...These days, I'd probably use mini plugs between cars so that they > could be separated...>> > > > FWIW Marklin and Brawa sell mini-connectors that might work, looks like they come in different sizes.. > > > http://www.micromacromundo.com/brawa-3751-pin-connectors-16-mm-yellow.asp > > > > > Brady >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73102	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: LBR Kit Bashing Hint ;o)

When retro fitting illuminated cars use 1.5" mirror rounds from your local craft store. Very inexpensive and changes the appearance of the car.      For cars that already have lights in them mount the mirror in the top of the car facing down directly over the bulb and use a smaller wattage bulb. Result, much better defusing of the light in the car.      For cars that you will be illuminating with an LED install the mirror round in the center of the car face up. Then install the LED with enough slack in the wires to form a goose neck and point the LED down at the center of the mirror. A SUPER effect in lighting with one LED.   LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73103	From: ham_45242	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: Two versions of #591 Crossing Gate

Hello, all.  The 4-terminal (binding posts) subject model was originally intended to work with an AC (accessories) and DC (trains) system) using an isolated block of track.  I recently came across what appears to be a 3-terminal version (the station house is painted red/yellow).  This is definitely not the later 2-terminal #592.  It would appear that Gilbert gave up marketing their AC/DC train system and for a short while was still selling the 4-terminal #591 which calls for a red jumper wire between two of the 4 terminals.  My guess is that the 3-terminal version just eliminated the need for the jumper wire.  Any further info is certainly welcome.  Sincerely,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73104	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: For Sale: S Scale engines and cars NIB

During the first week of October, I will be receiving the second shipment of a collection that I am handling this fall. If you are interested in any of the following, let me know by September 28 and I will make sure they are included in that shipment. I am told that most, if not all, are in mint condition in the original box, but I want to verify that for myself before I advertise them as such. In the September shipment, everything was indeed mint. Values shown assume mint condition.   Mfg Model Short Description Condition Box? value AF 9000 B&O Flat Car with Vans C-9/C-10 yes $40.00 AF 9004 Southern Railway Flatcar w/Vans C-9/C-10 yes $40.00 AF 9005 New York Central Flatcar & Vans C-9/C-10 yes $30.00 AF 9101 Union Oil Tank Car C-9/C-10 yes $35.00 AF 9106 New York Central 3 Dome Tank Car C-9/C-10 yes $26.00 AF 9209 New York Central Hopper C-9/C-10 yes $30.00 AF 9300 Burlington Northern Gondola C-9/C-10 yes $20.00 AF 9304 New York Central Gondola w/cannisters C-9/C-10 yes $20.00 AF 9400 Chessie System Caboose C-9/C-10 yes $30.00 AF 9404 NewYorkCentral BayWindow Caboose C-9/C-10 yes $35.00 AF 9504 Erie Combo Car C-9/C-10 yes $50.00 AF 9505 Erie Pullman Car-Chassis only C-9/C-10 yes AF 9506 Erie Vista Dome Car C-9/C-10 yes $70.00 AF 9507 Erie Observation Car C-9/C-10 yes $50.00 AF 9702 B&O Boxcar C-9/C-10 yes $40.00 AF 9709 B&O Boxcar C-9/C-10 yes $30.00 AF 9711 Southern Pacific Boxcar C-9/C-10 yes $30.00 AF 9712 Illinois Central Gulf Boxcar C-9/C-10 yes $35.00 AF 9713 New York Central Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $38.00 AF 48056 NY Central Dockside Switcher C-9/C-10 yes $85.00 AF 48119 Union Pacific PB 1 C-9/C-10 yes $130.00 AF 48203 New York central Reefer C-9/C-10 yes $65.00 AF 48203 New York central Reefer C-9/C-10 yes $65.00 AF 48205 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer C-9/C-10 yes $55.00 AF 48205 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer #1697 C-9/C-10 yes $55.00 AF 48211 Magnolia Tank Car C-9/C-10 yes $60.00 AF 48211 Magnolia Tank Car C-9/C-10 yes $60.00 AF 48211 Magnolia Tank Car C-9/C-10 yes $60.00 AF 48211 Magnolia Tank Car C-9/C-10 yes $60.00 AF 48212 S & P Tank Car C-9/C-10 yes $75.00 AF 48214 Great Northern RR Caboose C-9/C-10 yes $37.00 AF 48214 Great Northern RR Caboose C-9/C-10 yes $37.00 AF 48217 Southern Pacific Gondola C-9/C-10 yes $100.00 AF 48218 Southern Pacific Crane C-9/C-10 yes $100.00 AF 48235 USDA Forest Service Tank Car C-9/C-10 yes $125.00 AF 48272 Flatcar w/BeechCraft Airplane C-9/C-10 yes $90.00 AF 48272 Flatcar w/BeechCraft Airplane C-9/C-10 yes $90.00 AF 48306 Seaboard Coast Line Boxcar C-9/C-10 yes $33.00 AF 48406 Celanese Chemicals Tank Car C-9/C-10 yes $45.00 AF 48476 NY Central Reefer C-9/C-10 yes $72.00 AF 48475 Boraxo Covered Hopper C-9/C-10 yes $72.00 AF 48478 Burlington Route Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $85.00 AF 48478 Burlington Route Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $85.00 AF 48480 Susquehanna Susie Q BoxCar C-9/C-10 yes $85.00 AF 48481 Railway Express Reefer C-9/C-10 yes $75.00 AF 48482 Great Northern Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $85.00 AF 48483 AF Boy's Rail Road Club BoxCar C-9/C-10 yes $60.00 AF 48484 American Flyer "Crossing Gate" BoxCar C-9/C-10 yes $60.00 AF 48485 Northern Pacific Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $70.00 AF 48485 Northern Pacific Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $70.00 AF 48486 NY New Haven & Hartford Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $55.00 AF 48486 NY New Haven & Hartford Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $55.00 AF 48486 NY New Haven & Hartford Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $55.00 AF 48490 Western Pacific Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $80.00 AF 48491 Burlington Northern Flatcar & Vans C-9/C-10 yes $85.00 AF 48492 Northern Pacific Box Car C-9/C-10 yes $100.00 AF 48494 Lehigh Valley Covered Hopper C-9/C-10 yes $54.00 AF 48494 Lehigh Valley Covered Hopper C-9/C-10 yes $54.00 AF 48505 Illinois Central Flatcar w/BulkHeads C-9/C-10 yes $35.00 AF 48513 CSX Flatcar w/Generator C-9/C-10 yes $25.00 AF 48701 Illinois Central Caboose C-9/C-10 yes $35.00 AF 48701 Illinois Central Caboose C-9/C-10 yes $35.00 AF 48907 Union Pacific Observation Car C-9/C-10 yes $50.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73105	From: danvandermause	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: Looking for Passenger Car Shells

I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73106	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: Re: Two versions of #591 Crossing Gate

The original #591 Crossing Gate is Pre War and may be is what you have.                                                              Tom Seccia From: "arl_123234@..." <arl_123234@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Two versions of #591 Crossing Gate   Hello, all.  The 4-terminal (binding posts) subject model was originally intended to work with an AC (accessories) and DC (trains) system) using an isolated block of track.  I recently came across what appears to be a 3-terminal version (the station house is painted red/yellow).  This is definitely not the later 2-terminal #592.  It would appear that Gilbert gave up marketing their AC/DC train system and for a short while was still selling the 4-terminal #591 which calls for a red jumper wire between two of the 4 terminals.  My guess is that the 3-terminal version just eliminated the need for the jumper wire.  Any further info is certainly welcome.  Sincerely,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73107	From: mpcantu88	Date: 9/23/2013
Subject: Re: Quartering Drives & quartering tools

Where can I find a person or place to buy cattle pads from?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73108	From: markaflyer	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: Quartering Drives & quartering tools

Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby http://www.portlines.com/ Mark Anderman From: mpcantu@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:51:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Quartering Drives & quartering tools   Where can I find a person or place to buy cattle pads from?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73109	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: Quartering Drives & quartering tools

Doug at port lines hobby has them.   http://www.portlines.com/  in the stockyard section of the parts page. Neil in Oregon From: "mpcantu@..." <mpcantu@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Quartering Drives & quartering tools   Where can I find a person or place to buy cattle pads from?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73110	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: 5 NEW Items At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

Please take a look. Five original AMERICAN FLYER pilot trucks that all AF operators need and use. Bid-Sales link below http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73111	From: ham_45242	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: Two versions of #591 Crossing Gate

Hello, and since I believe Gilbert's "Rectiformer" was post-war, it may be that you're right and I have the chronology backward.  Thanks for replying and sincerely, ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The original #591 Crossing Gate is Pre War and may be is what you have.                                                              Tom Seccia From: "arl_123234@..." <arl_123234@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Two versions of #591 Crossing Gate   Hello, all.  The 4-terminal (binding posts) subject model was originally intended to work with an AC (accessories) and DC (trains) system) using an isolated block of track.  I recently came across what appears to be a 3-terminal version (the station house is painted red/yellow).  This is definitely not the later 2-terminal #592.  It would appear that Gilbert gave up marketing their AC/DC train system and for a short while was still selling the 4-terminal #591 which calls for a red jumper wire between two of the 4 terminals.  My guess is that the 3-terminal version just eliminated the need for the jumper wire.  Any further info is certainly welcome.  Sincerely,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73112	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: Quartering Drives & quartering tools

I stock these items. I have these with instructions. Please contact me seccia@...                                                       Tom Seccia                                                        Triple "S" Supplies From: "mpcantu@..." <mpcantu@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Quartering Drives & quartering tools   Where can I find a person or place to buy cattle pads from?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73113	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: New Format - Awful

Hi All,   I guess Yahoo is slowly rolling out the new format most people have been complaining about.  My Groups were "upgraded" yesterday and the new format sucks out loud.  Now I understand why people have been bitching about the "new" format and now I totally agree with them.   This may be the death of Yahoo Groups.  I'm off to find a replacement "Group" - perhaps Facebook.   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73114	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: New Format - Awful

It seems the mass migration from Yahoo is not happening. people are getting used to it and most of the bumps are now being ironed out. In fact people who jumped out ,it appears, are now returning as the options aren't as good as they looked. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 24 Sep 2013 13:51:55 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] New Format - Awful   Hi All,   I guess Yahoo is slowly rolling out the new format most people have been complaining about.  My Groups were "upgraded" yesterday and the new format sucks out loud.  Now I understand why people have been bitching about the "new" format and now I totally agree with them.   This may be the death of Yahoo Groups.  I'm off to find a replacement "Group" - perhaps Facebook.   David     ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73115	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: New Format - Awful

I still can't post photos to my existing album or create a new album.  No tabs to do either one.  Just how long is it going to take Yahoo to fix these issues???? ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi All,   I guess Yahoo is slowly rolling out the new format most people have been complaining about.  My Groups were "upgraded" yesterday and the new format sucks out loud.  Now I understand why people have been bitching about the "new" format and now I totally agree with them.   This may be the death of Yahoo Groups.  I'm off to find a replacement "Group" - perhaps Facebook.   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73116	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/24/2013
Subject: Re: New Format: Awful

I just hate being "railroaded" into using something I didn't ask for and don't like.  And that is what Yahoo is doing!  Yahoo seems to be following the same thinking as Micro-Shaft when they forced Vista and Windows 8 on we regular computer users.  Both systems were poorly put together and incompatible for many users.   When the new format was dropped on us over Labor Day weekend, it was not nearly sufficiently researched or developed and remains incompatible with many operating systems and Internet providers.  It's like being forced to buy a new car without wheels.   Yes, people are slowly getting used to it as they have little other choice.  I may move at least one of my Yahoo Groups to Google next week as it's certainly not as screwed up as Yahoo.  Yahoo Groups is no longer user friendly and does not offer the options that the old format did to Moderators...unless you have the right combination of server and operating system or can devise work arounds.   Repairs are taking far too long to effect and complaints on the user's forum run hundreds of pages with replies that they're "looking into the problem" but no real action.    They need to face the fact that they screwed up big and go back to the old format, at least until all the bugs are worked out of the new one.  I'm not holding my breath that common sense will suddenly be discovered at Yahoo!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73117	From: danvandermause	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells

I posted the message below about 2 days ago, and I have been surprised that I have received zero responses.  I am wondering if there is a general reluctance among AF fans to sell even surplus shells, if it is known that the purchaser plans on cutting up and/or repainting the shells?   I did not specify any desired price levels in my request, but even so, it appears that no one in the group has any surplus passenger car shells that they want to sell.    Just wondering.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD    Sent on Monday: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73118	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: AF Truck Up-Grade Un-Published Special Up Date

We have had hundreds of requests to include link trucks in our up grade to all wheel truck special. So we will include link trucks also. The minimum of four (4) trucks ($15.00 per truck - FREE Return Shipping in CONUS) for up grade is also enforced as it is with the sintered trucks. Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73119	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: New Format: Awful

And if you think Microsoft and Yahoo are imperious and arbitrary, you should spend some time owning Apple products. I am thinking not intuitive! I remember years ago working for technology companies and listening to the product discussions. Often, a problem would be perceived and solutions would be proposed. Then the cussing and discussing would continue for quite a while and the implementation would commence. The developers in the trenches would not have been party to all of the discussions that went before or to the continuing discussions among the decision makers. The two groups would each go their own ways. One thinking up new features they thought would be competitive and the other thinking up ways to do things that they could actually get done in the scheduled time. At the end of the release cycle, the final products were not at all related to the original intent and even less like the current thinking of the people who are supposed to know the markets. The real wonder is why there is ever anything worth having. I suppose that with enough of those monkeys typing out code, some of it just has to be worthwhile. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 9/24/2013 7:31 PM, mrstumpy@... wrote: I just hate being "railroaded" into using something I didn't ask for and don't like.  And that is what Yahoo is doing!  Yahoo seems to be following the same thinking as Micro-Shaft when they forced Vista and Windows 8 on we regular computer users.  Both systems were poorly put together and incompatible for many users.  When the new format was dropped on us over Labor Day weekend, it was not nearly sufficiently researched or developed and remains incompatible with many operating systems and Internet providers.  It's like being forced to buy a new car without wheels.  Yes, people are slowly getting used to it as they have little other choice.  I may move at least one of my Yahoo Groups to Google next week as it's certainly not as screwed up as Yahoo.  Yahoo Groups is no longer user friendly and does not offer the options that the old format did to Moderators...unless you have the right combination of server and operating system or can devise work arounds.  Repairs are taking far too long to effect and complaints on the user's forum run hundreds of pages with replies that they're "looking into the problem" but no real action.   They need to face the fact that they screwed up big and go back to the old format, at least until all the bugs are worked out of the new one.  I'm not holding my breath that common sense will suddenly be discovered at Yahoo!  Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73120	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Thank You - from Yahoo

After Yahoo made changes to my Groups they posted this nice little message to me:     Thank You ! Thank you for being a great customer. We made changes to your Y! Groups experience. Take a quick tour.     Well isn't that just so sweet of them.  My message to them is BOHICA.   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73121	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: New Format - Awful

I wasn't one of the first to get the new format.   At first I only saw it before I logged into Yahoo.   After that it was the same old format.   They must have been rolling it out by region, but now I have the full new format.   From what I can see, there are a few things that are annoying.   For example the long thin home page photo makes it impossible to use a complete photo in a conventional 3/4 or even 16/9 format.   In addition, only the "owner" can change the home page photo and the owner will only know this if he or she mouses over an unmarked area at the right of the photo.  "Moderators" are not allowed to do this and many of the groups I belong to (not this one) still have the stock photo of the straw hats as the home page photo.   Hidden scroll bars for scrolling through your groups is also annoying as they can be missed if you don't know where to mouse over them to activate them.   Posting photos is a definite problem, as I had problems trying to post a photo to another group, getting only an error message every time I tried, even with 3 different browsers.  Attachments seem to work in groups that allow them though.   Also, at first I thought that only owners and moderators were allowed to view the list of members, but I have now realized that this can be accessed by clicking on the link in the word "members" at the bottom left of the home page photo where the number of members is announced.   It took me awhile to figure this out because the link only becomes active when you mouse over it.  Since I get my messages in email form, the new format is less important for me, as I only access the website rarely.   Even with these annoyances, Yahoo offers something that other alternatives don't and that is versatility.   You can access it from the website, like you would with a forum, such as the OGR S forum, or get emails, either individually or in digest form.  I could easily set up a forum on either of my websites, but that would require everyone to remember to log on to get the messages.   While that is what some do with Yahoo groups, the convenience of "at the door" delivery by email is available and quite a convenience for me. I think it would have been nice of Yahoo to give at least the moderators and owners some advance notice of the changes so they would not have to relearn management by trial and error.  Even nicer would have been a brief note to users about the changes.  My take on this is that this is the brain child of a bunch of computer geeks who think this "mouse over" technique is "cool."   The fact that it is not easy to use, especially for casual users, probably never occurred to them as I doubt any of them even use the groups.  In many years of working with computer geeks, the one thing that they frequently fail to do is test what they have created.   They are so sure of themselves and their wizardry they never think of the possibility that they could have coded something wrong.  As the supervisor of a group of attorneys who had to work with their creations, I had to frequently point out that they didn't succeed in solving the problem.   In many cases their reaction was "no big deal, I can fix anything."   Dale Smith On 9/24/2013 1:51 PM, bull_gator_1@... wrote:   Hi All,   I guess Yahoo is slowly rolling out the new format most people have been complaining about.  My Groups were "upgraded" yesterday and the new format sucks out loud.  Now I understand why people have been bitching about the "new" format and now I totally agree with them.   This may be the death of Yahoo Groups.  I'm off to find a replacement "Group" - perhaps Facebook.   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73122	From: johntech	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Un-published VERY Special Offer

Hi Dave   If I wanted to buy just the powered trucks what would the price per powered truck be?   John Frankforther     ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Un-published VERY Special Offer   We have decided as an un-published SPECIAL OFFER and good only for a very limited time to celebrate our new line of up-graded AF ALL WHEEL CONTACT tender trucks to offer a $55.00 MSRP up grade to your 4 wheel SINTERED TRUCKS for ONLY $15.00 per truck (minimum 4 trucks per order). We will convert your Four (4) wheel SINTERED metal AF trucks to ALL WHEEL CONTACT trucks. This offer is good ONLY from October 1st. thru October 15th of 2013. Your trucks must arrive prior to October 15, 2013. We also include FREE RETURN SHIPPING in CONUS. You will be invoiced through Pay Pal when your trucks are ready for shipment. Send your trucks ( 4 truck minimum) to: LBR Enterprises,llc Attn: Offer #T-2013 P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 Include The Following With Your Order: Name: Address: City: Zip: Email Address: Phone Number: Thank you all for your continuing support.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73123	From: Dr Trains	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells

I do not have and never have had a problem with use of any AF for rebuilding/modifying/kit bashing/cutting up....do it all the time...usually concentrate on damaged/ poor paint/ scratch and dent stuff (no collector value) Might help if you were specific about which passenger car bodies, 600 series/900 series/NH style/Pullman/ Bakelite?????etc. and also newer Lionel-AF ???? I have a large box full of various AF passenger car bodies...pending rebuilding/cutting up/splicing etc. Not to mention various accessories/freight cars/loco bodies (including some select Marx and Lionel) all for "future" rebuild/kit bash etc. Peter Loeb From: "danvandermause@..." <danvandermause@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Looking for Passenger Car Shells   I posted the message below about 2 days ago, and I have been surprised that I have received zero responses.  I am wondering if there is a general reluctance among AF fans to sell even surplus shells, if it is known that the purchaser plans on cutting up and/or repainting the shells?   I did not specify any desired price levels in my request, but even so, it appears that no one in the group has any surplus passenger car shells that they want to sell.    Just wondering.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD    Sent on Monday: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73124	From: poniaj	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells

Dan, I'm sure there are many of us out here who agree with Peter's take on using junk bodies for bashing.  If it's an item with little or no collector value, it's fair game.  I'm as guilty as anyone (perhaps more so).  But let's face it, some of us who have a supply of material are using it for our own projects. Not that I have a lot in my stash, but what I DO have, I'll be using.  If I had some extra ones, I'd be more than happy to send some your way, but they're getting harder and harder to find and frankly, lately I've been buying close-out Flyonel items to cut up.  Full length Budd cars?  In the works.  Full length Pulman-Bradley cars, both coaches and combines?  Ditto.  The available supply of bashing material is finite, and will be running out.  Especially with guys like us around...    ;>) In any case, good luck!  I'd suggest going to as many train swap meets as possible, especially the major S events.  Talk to guys who have those "under the table" boxes.  Even at smaller local meets.  Many times they don't bring all their junk boxes, so don't be afraid to ask if they have more at home.  I picked up a supply of Budd bodies that way that were from a collection that was salvaged from a flood.  Frames and trucks were ruined, but the bodies were fine.  Jerry Poniatowski ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <dtrains@...> wrote: I do not have and never have had a problem with use of any AF for rebuilding/modifying/kit bashing/cutting up....do it all the time...usually concentrate on damaged/ poor paint/ scratch and dent stuff (no collector value) Might help if you were specific about which passenger car bodies, 600 series/900 series/NH style/Pullman/ Bakelite?????etc. and also newer Lionel-AF ???? I have a large box full of various AF passenger car bodies...pending rebuilding/cutting up/splicing etc. Not to mention various accessories/freight cars/loco bodies (including some select Marx and Lionel) all for "future" rebuild/kit bash etc. Peter Loeb From: "danvandermause@..." <danvandermause@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Looking for Passenger Car Shells   I posted the message below about 2 days ago, and I have been surprised that I have received zero responses.  I am wondering if there is a general reluctance among AF fans to sell even surplus shells, if it is known that the purchaser plans on cutting up and/or repainting the shells?   I did not specify any desired price levels in my request, but even so, it appears that no one in the group has any surplus passenger car shells that they want to sell.    Just wondering.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD    Sent on Monday: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73125	From: calleytwo	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells

I would be very, very , very surprised if you found anybody with spare heavyweight Bakelite car bodies that (a) they had spare and (b) that they would be happy to see butchered. These are a not that common classic that deserve to be preserved. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 25 Sep 2013 08:02:47 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Looking for Passenger Car Shells   I posted the message below about 2 days ago, and I have been surprised that I have received zero responses.  I am wondering if there is a general reluctance among AF fans to sell even surplus shells, if it is known that the purchaser plans on cutting up and/or repainting the shells?   I did not specify any desired price levels in my request, but even so, it appears that no one in the group has any surplus passenger car shells that they want to sell.    Just wondering.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD    Sent on Monday: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73126	From: danvandermause	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells

Jerry:   Thanks for your thoughts.  I just wanted to be sure that I was not wandering into "forbidden territory" by asking for shells to be cut up and repainted.  I respect both the collector side of this hobby, as well as the scale modeling side.   It is interesting what you say about the finite supply of even "junker" shells -- I had not given it much thought, but most of these items have not been produced for about 60 years now, and even if they were in ample supply in the past, sooner or later the supply of available car bodies has to decline.   I will continue my search for passenger car bodies for my planned projects -- it is part of the fun of modeling in a minority scale!   Dan     Jerry's Message:   I'm sure there are many of us out here who agree with Peter's take on using junk bodies for bashing.  If it's an item with little or no collector value, it's fair game.  I'm as guilty as anyone (perhaps more so).  But let's face it, some of us who have a supply of material are using it for our own projects. Not that I have a lot in my stash, but what I DO have, I'll be using.  If I had some extra ones, I'd be more than happy to send some your way, but they're getting harder and harder to find and frankly, lately I've been buying close-out Flyonel items to cut up.  Full length Budd cars?  In the works.  Full length Pulman-Bradley cars, both coaches and combines?  Ditto.  The available supply of bashing material is finite, and will be running out.  Especially with guys like us around...    ;>) In any case, good luck!  I'd suggest going to as many train swap meets as possible, especially the major S events.  Talk to guys who have those "under the table" boxes.  Even at smaller local meets.  Many times they don't bring all their junk boxes, so don't be afraid to ask if they have more at home.  I picked up a supply of Budd bodies that way that were from a collection that was salvaged from a flood.  Frames and trucks were ruined, but the bodies were fine.  Jerry Poniatowski ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Dan, I'm sure there are many of us out here who agree with Peter's take on using junk bodies for bashing.  If it's an item with little or no collector value, it's fair game.  I'm as guilty as anyone (perhaps more so).  But let's face it, some of us who have a supply of material are using it for our own projects. Not that I have a lot in my stash, but what I DO have, I'll be using.  If I had some extra ones, I'd be more than happy to send some your way, but they're getting harder and harder to find and frankly, lately I've been buying close-out Flyonel items to cut up.  Full length Budd cars?  In the works.  Full length Pulman-Bradley cars, both coaches and combines?  Ditto.  The available supply of bashing material is finite, and will be running out.  Especially with guys like us around...    ;>) In any case, good luck!  I'd suggest going to as many train swap meets as possible, especially the major S events.  Talk to guys who have those "under the table" boxes.  Even at smaller local meets.  Many times they don't bring all their junk boxes, so don't be afraid to ask if they have more at home.  I picked up a supply of Budd bodies that way that were from a collection that was salvaged from a flood.  Frames and trucks were ruined, but the bodies were fine.  Jerry Poniatowski ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <dtrains@...> wrote: I do not have and never have had a problem with use of any AF for rebuilding/modifying/kit bashing/cutting up....do it all the time...usually concentrate on damaged/ poor paint/ scratch and dent stuff (no collector value) Might help if you were specific about which passenger car bodies, 600 series/900 series/NH style/Pullman/ Bakelite?????etc. and also newer Lionel-AF ???? I have a large box full of various AF passenger car bodies...pending rebuilding/cutting up/splicing etc. Not to mention various accessories/freight cars/loco bodies (including some select Marx and Lionel) all for "future" rebuild/kit bash etc. Peter Loeb From: "danvandermause@..." <danvandermause@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Looking for Passenger Car Shells   I posted the message below about 2 days ago, and I have been surprised that I have received zero responses.  I am wondering if there is a general reluctance among AF fans to sell even surplus shells, if it is known that the purchaser plans on cutting up and/or repainting the shells?   I did not specify any desired price levels in my request, but even so, it appears that no one in the group has any surplus passenger car shells that they want to sell.    Just wondering.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD    Sent on Monday: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73127	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 9/25/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells

Hello,I just sold 7, 600 series passinger car bodies.They went for 70ty something. Mark From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Looking for Passenger Car Shells   I would be very, very , very surprised if you found anybody with spare heavyweight Bakelite car bodies that (a) they had spare and (b) that they would be happy to see butchered. These are a not that common classic that deserve to be preserved. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 25 Sep 2013 08:02:47 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Looking for Passenger Car Shells   I posted the message below about 2 days ago, and I have been surprised that I have received zero responses.  I am wondering if there is a general reluctance among AF fans to sell even surplus shells, if it is known that the purchaser plans on cutting up and/or repainting the shells?   I did not specify any desired price levels in my request, but even so, it appears that no one in the group has any surplus passenger car shells that they want to sell.    Just wondering.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD    Sent on Monday: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73128	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales". NOW OFFERING a set of all wheel contact power trucks for AF high rail operators / repair persons. Please use the link below to view / bid. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. We would be no where with out you ALL. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73129	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Re: Un-published VERY Special Offer

John,      Please check our web site at    http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html   for prices.      Thank you for your interest in our products. "The Crew At LBR" ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <beebear@...> wrote: Hi Dave   If I wanted to buy just the powered trucks what would the price per powered truck be?   John Frankforther     ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:20 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Un-published VERY Special Offer   We have decided as an un-published SPECIAL OFFER and good only for a very limited time to celebrate our new line of up-graded AF ALL WHEEL CONTACT tender trucks to offer a $55.00 MSRP up grade to your 4 wheel SINTERED TRUCKS for ONLY $15.00 per truck (minimum 4 trucks per order). We will convert your Four (4) wheel SINTERED metal AF trucks to ALL WHEEL CONTACT trucks. This offer is good ONLY from October 1st. thru October 15th of 2013. Your trucks must arrive prior to October 15, 2013. We also include FREE RETURN SHIPPING in CONUS. You will be invoiced through Pay Pal when your trucks are ready for shipment. Send your trucks ( 4 truck minimum) to: LBR Enterprises,llc Attn: Offer #T-2013 P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 Include The Following With Your Order: Name: Address: City: Zip: Email Address: Phone Number: Thank you all for your continuing support.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73130	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Re: Passenger Car Shells

You ARE wondering into "forbidden territory" when it comes to collectors, yet in this case they are not the problem.  Jerry is right, the supply of bashable stuff is dwindling, especially passenger cars and diesel locomotives.  When I came back to S in 2000 there were a LOT of "under the table junk boxes" at train shows, far more than I could ever afford to buy or had the space in the vehicle to haul home!   Prices were far lower for anything that was not in premium condition because Marx and Flyer were considered "small potatoes" compared to anything Lionel.   And if you had been around in the 1970's, Flyer stuff was cheap and people would give it to you just to get rid of it so it wouldn't take up table space needed for Lionel!   However, there were also FAR fewer train shows then, so modeling in S was a LOT tougher proposition!   There are several reasons for the drop in the used S supply:  1. There is less of this stuff around due to manufacture being so many years ago.  2. There are fewer vendors of S today because of the economy.  3. There are fewer buyers around today as well 9economy) so vendors don't bring as much "junk" with them.  4.  The prices of even "junk" are much higher than in 2000 because of what I call "collectable syndrome" so "junkers" are being repaired by vendors rather than dumped in boxes.   The old "Heavyweight" passenger cars with six wheel trucks are especially hard to find, particularly as just shells.  Most times you find complete cars and pay accordingly.  However, as recent as three years ago, I saw a whole set of the green "Heavyweight" cars in an "under the table" box at the Spring S Spree!  I didn't need them, so I moved on. (I'm not in the hobby to make money.)   Another tip from Jerry I find accurate too:  You can often buy new manufacture S passenger cars cheaper than there vintage cousins!  I bought two American Models coaches for less than vendors wanted for a single tired Flyer combine at a show.  And they are far better running and lighted cars than the old ones.  They were bashed into my fleet with no need of any repairs first too!   Yes, there is the "thrill of the hunt" which has always appealed to me (must be from roving junkyards for auto parts in my younger years) and the "excitement" of saving some old item or creating something nobody else has.  The stuff is out there, but some of it is getting elusive.  And then there is the pain of prices today.  But it's all still worth it to me.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73131	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: How to contact group member "off list"

Under the new Yahoo Groups format, I can't find a way to contact a fellow S-Trains member "off list".  Can anybody help?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73132	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Things are looking up!

I can now upload photos!  Now if I could only contact fellow members off line, the new format will be working well for me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73133	From: lou342ac	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: + New Album

Today I checked and found I now have the + New Album button in the Photos tab. To all those who worked on resolving this issue thanks, Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73134	From: mpcantu88	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: American Flyer Accessories needed

Hello, I am new to this hobby and would like to build my collection of AF accessories. Does any one have a log loader, saw mill, oil drum loader, and/or train station I'm c6 or c7 condition they are willing to sell. I have PayPal and will pay immediately of we come to an agreement. Thank you so much Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73135	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Re: + New Album

Thanks! Sent from my iPad Cynthia G. Buehling Music teacher, technology coordinator Western Hills Elementary 447-6911 cynthia.buehling@... On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:02 AM, <lou342ac@...> wrote: Today I checked and found I now have the + New Album button in the Photos tab. To all those who worked on resolving this issue thanks, Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73136	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Ties for 25071 tie car

I picked up a pair of 25071 tie cars at a recent auction and like most, they were sans ties.  Both ejectors were rust free so I was thinking I could make some ties from hardwood, stain them appropriately and be in great shape. My question is, could someone post the dimensions of an original tie for my measurements.   Thanks in advance!!!   Ben Colley mid-Missouri – ‘Follow the Flag’!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73137	From: bud9351	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: Re: Looking for Passenger Car Shells

Dan,   I have a Flyer bakelite combine, no floor, no doors, no window strips but the body is in excellent condition. I'd have to look but I think I shaved off the cast on hand grabs from the window end.     Contact me off list if interested.      Bud Rindfleisch ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Jerry:   Thanks for your thoughts.  I just wanted to be sure that I was not wandering into "forbidden territory" by asking for shells to be cut up and repainted.  I respect both the collector side of this hobby, as well as the scale modeling side.   It is interesting what you say about the finite supply of even "junker" shells -- I had not given it much thought, but most of these items have not been produced for about 60 years now, and even if they were in ample supply in the past, sooner or later the supply of available car bodies has to decline.   I will continue my search for passenger car bodies for my planned projects -- it is part of the fun of modeling in a minority scale!   Dan     Jerry's Message:   I'm sure there are many of us out here who agree with Peter's take on using junk bodies for bashing.  If it's an item with little or no collector value, it's fair game.  I'm as guilty as anyone (perhaps more so).  But let's face it, some of us who have a supply of material are using it for our own projects. Not that I have a lot in my stash, but what I DO have, I'll be using.  If I had some extra ones, I'd be more than happy to send some your way, but they're getting harder and harder to find and frankly, lately I've been buying close-out Flyonel items to cut up.  Full length Budd cars?  In the works.  Full length Pulman-Bradley cars, both coaches and combines?  Ditto.  The available supply of bashing material is finite, and will be running out.  Especially with guys like us around...    ;>) In any case, good luck!  I'd suggest going to as many train swap meets as possible, especially the major S events.  Talk to guys who have those "under the table" boxes.  Even at smaller local meets.  Many times they don't bring all their junk boxes, so don't be afraid to ask if they have more at home.  I picked up a supply of Budd bodies that way that were from a collection that was salvaged from a flood.  Frames and trucks were ruined, but the bodies were fine.  Jerry Poniatowski ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Dan, I'm sure there are many of us out here who agree with Peter's take on using junk bodies for bashing.  If it's an item with little or no collector value, it's fair game.  I'm as guilty as anyone (perhaps more so).  But let's face it, some of us who have a supply of material are using it for our own projects. Not that I have a lot in my stash, but what I DO have, I'll be using.  If I had some extra ones, I'd be more than happy to send some your way, but they're getting harder and harder to find and frankly, lately I've been buying close-out Flyonel items to cut up.  Full length Budd cars?  In the works.  Full length Pulman-Bradley cars, both coaches and combines?  Ditto.  The available supply of bashing material is finite, and will be running out.  Especially with guys like us around...    ;>) In any case, good luck!  I'd suggest going to as many train swap meets as possible, especially the major S events.  Talk to guys who have those "under the table" boxes.  Even at smaller local meets.  Many times they don't bring all their junk boxes, so don't be afraid to ask if they have more at home.  I picked up a supply of Budd bodies that way that were from a collection that was salvaged from a flood.  Frames and trucks were ruined, but the bodies were fine.  Jerry Poniatowski ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <dtrains@...> wrote: I do not have and never have had a problem with use of any AF for rebuilding/modifying/kit bashing/cutting up....do it all the time...usually concentrate on damaged/ poor paint/ scratch and dent stuff (no collector value) Might help if you were specific about which passenger car bodies, 600 series/900 series/NH style/Pullman/ Bakelite?????etc. and also newer Lionel-AF ???? I have a large box full of various AF passenger car bodies...pending rebuilding/cutting up/splicing etc. Not to mention various accessories/freight cars/loco bodies (including some select Marx and Lionel) all for "future" rebuild/kit bash etc. Peter Loeb From: "danvandermause@..." <danvandermause@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Looking for Passenger Car Shells   I posted the message below about 2 days ago, and I have been surprised that I have received zero responses.  I am wondering if there is a general reluctance among AF fans to sell even surplus shells, if it is known that the purchaser plans on cutting up and/or repainting the shells?   I did not specify any desired price levels in my request, but even so, it appears that no one in the group has any surplus passenger car shells that they want to sell.    Just wondering.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD    Sent on Monday: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I am looking for some American Flyer passenger car shells - body shells only, I do not need floors, trucks or couplers.  I want to be sensitive to the collectible nature of some of these shells, so please be advised that I plan to splice these shells together to create different models.   I am looking for the following types of passenger car shells:   AF Heavyweight Combine (baggage coach):  looking for 4 shells AF Baggage Cars:  looking for 2-3 shells AF New Haven "American Flyer type" coach:  looking for 10 shells   I need shells that have no warping and only minor scratches, but I certainly don't need shells that are in excellent condition, since I am repainting them.   If you have any spare passenger car shells in your junk box, please contact me off list with quantities and prices.   Thanks.   Dan Vandermause Ellicott City, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73138	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/26/2013
Subject: For Sale: NIB 49604 Western Pacific California Zephyr Set & add-on c

Complete set, new in the original boxes, in original boxes with paperwork. For your information, the TM Guide lists it at $590. Make offer. 49604 Western Pacific California Zephyr Set 48122 Western Pacific B Unit 48929 Western Pacific "Silver Palace" Vista Dome Car 48930 Western Pacific "Silver Dollar" Vista Dome Car 48932 Western California Zephyr "Silver Platter" Dining Car Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73139	From: componenx	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: New member says hello

HI All- I used to be a member of an S-gauge related group, but it seems to have vanished at some point.  My father started in S gauge, and migrated to HO and HOn3 in the 60's while he was working in Germany.  I had an interest in N scale for a while, but it's just so tiny!  My goal in joining this group is to ID and decide what to do with my dad's S gauge goodies.  Besides the usual AF stuff, there's a Miller diesel with really bad Zimak rot on the trucks, and a 0-4-0 tank/switcher that appears to be a nice kit from the 40s/50s, but there are no identifying markings.  There's also a bunch of plastic rolling stock, much with mold release/plasticizer residue (it used to smell really bad!), some kit cars, and other assorted items.   I'll post the pictures soon.  I don't want to sell the items here, just figure out what I want to do with it all. -Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73140	From: rjk_socal	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: New Format - Awful

Yahoo has been rolling out new formats for most of their properties.  Their photo sharing site, Flickr, is suffering a new format that takes a lot more computer resources to run than the older version did and has very little navigation information available.  They explained that all the services had only maintenance done them over the last five years and it was time for an across-the-board refresh. ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi All,   I guess Yahoo is slowly rolling out the new format most people have been complaining about.  My Groups were "upgraded" yesterday and the new format sucks out loud.  Now I understand why people have been bitching about the "new" format and now I totally agree with them.   This may be the death of Yahoo Groups.  I'm off to find a replacement "Group" - perhaps Facebook.   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73141	From: herbw202	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed

There is a new  S gauger on the OGR board looking for accessories. I linked him to your message.   ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello, I am new to this hobby and would like to build my collection of AF accessories. Does any one have a log loader, saw mill, oil drum loader, and/or train station I'm c6 or c7 condition they are willing to sell. I have PayPal and will pay immediately of we come to an agreement. Thank you so much Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73142	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Double Feature on STUMPY'S MACHINE

Today at http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we do the first of TWO stories in the same day.  Both are about the early days of Stock Car Racing.  First there's "The Way We REALLY Were" on Page 4.  This is followed up by additional info and old photos on page Feature A with a story called "In The Beginning."   I plan to do this whenever there is too much information to be contained in a single story.  Enjoy!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73143	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: New member says hello

 Hello, new member.  After reading  your post, I'm wondering what state you are from.  If you're in the MD, lower PA, upper VA area, we have a very active group in the Baltimore American Flyer Club.  No dues or rules.  Just show up at our events, meetings, etc. and have fun with trains.  If you can get hold of a National Association of S Gaugers magazine, The Dispatch, it has a listing of all the clubs in the U. S. and you should be able to find one in your area.  Good luck and start playing with your trains again.  Some of us have never outgrown it.  I still have the original Flyer my uncle gave me just before my 2nd b-day.  It's coming up on 64 years old and still runs like a champ. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of d.seiter@... Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 3:07 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New member says hello   HI All- I used to be a member of an S-gauge related group, but it seems to have vanished at some point.  My father started in S gauge, and migrated to HO and HOn3 in the 60's while he was working in Germany.  I had an interest in N scale for a while, but it's just so tiny!  My goal in joining this group is to ID and decide what to do with my dad's S gauge goodies.  Besides the usual AF stuff, there's a Miller diesel with really bad Zimak rot on the trucks, and a 0-4-0 tank/switcher that appears to be a nice kit from the 40s/50s, but there are no identifying markings.  There's also a bunch of plastic rolling stock, much with mold release/plasticizer residue (it used to smell really bad!), some kit cars, and other assorted items.   I'll post the pictures soon.  I don't want to sell the items here, just figure out what I want to do with it all. -Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73144	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: New member says hello

For help in identifying things, go to TheGilbertGallery.org. It's an online encyclopedia with pictures of almost everything Gilbert American Flyer made in S scale. And if there are some things you decide to sell, I'd be happy to handle them for you on a consignment basis. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Sep 27, 2013, at 12:06 AM, <d.seiter@...> wrote:   HI All- I used to be a member of an S-gauge related group, but it seems to have vanished at some point.  My father started in S gauge, and migrated to HO and HOn3 in the 60's while he was working in Germany.  I had an interest in N scale for a while, but it's just so tiny!  My goal in joining this group is to ID and decide what to do with my dad's S gauge goodies.  Besides the usual AF stuff, there's a Miller diesel with really bad Zimak rot on the trucks, and a 0-4-0 tank/switcher that appears to be a nice kit from the 40s/50s, but there are no identifying markings.  There's also a bunch of plastic rolling stock, much with mold release/plasticizer residue (it used to smell really bad!), some kit cars, and other assorted items.   I'll post the pictures soon.  I don't want to sell the items here, just figure out what I want to do with it all. -Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73145	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: Ties for 25071 tie car

Ben,  I measured one of my original ties and it is 1 and 7/8 inches long and each side is 3/16 of an inch. ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I picked up a pair of 25071 tie cars at a recent auction and like most, they were sans ties.  Both ejectors were rust free so I was thinking I could make some ties from hardwood, stain them appropriately and be in great shape. My question is, could someone post the dimensions of an original tie for my measurements.   Thanks in advance!!!   Ben Colley mid-Missouri – ‘Follow the Flag’!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73146	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: Ties for 25071 tie car

Hi   There are several places to pick up plastic ties trainsmore@... or seccia@... they have great reproes if you want Thanks Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of milepost407@... Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Ties for 25071 tie car     Ben,  I measured one of my original ties and it is 1 and 7/8 inches long and each side is 3/16 of an inch. ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I picked up a pair of 25071 tie cars at a recent auction and like most, they were sans ties.  Both ejectors were rust free so I was thinking I could make some ties from hardwood, stain them appropriately and be in great shape. My question is, could someone post the dimensions of an original tie for my measurements.   Thanks in advance!!!   Ben Colley mid-Missouri – ‘Follow the Flag’!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73147	From: Dr Trains	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed

I have a log loader, mechanicaly fine...plastic house is broken (about$30 to replace)... Have to dig it out of storage case, also have a barrel loader, that may need a new red cart and driver  ??? have to check on it??? these are good condition, not "collector" grade, certainly work fine and over all nice.....not sure about pricing, untill I double check everything and will get back to you if you are serious about these... Prelim estimate is about $50.00 for each item plus shipping Peter Loeb From: "mpcantu@..." <mpcantu@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Accessories needed   Hello, I am new to this hobby and would like to build my collection of AF accessories. Does any one have a log loader, saw mill, oil drum loader, and/or train station I'm c6 or c7 condition they are willing to sell. I have PayPal and will pay immediately of we come to an agreement. Thank you so much Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73148	From: Michael Cantu	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed

I was hoping for something complete but pleases send pictures of the items when you can. Thank you for responding to my email Michael Cantu Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Dr Trains <dtrains@...> wrote:   I have a log loader, mechanicaly fine...plastic house is broken (about$30 to replace)... Have to dig it out of storage case, also have a barrel loader, that may need a new red cart and driver  ??? have to check on it??? these are good condition, not "collector" grade, certainly work fine and over all nice.....not sure about pricing, untill I double check everything and will get back to you if you are serious about these... Prelim estimate is about $50.00 for each item plus shipping Peter Loeb From: "mpcantu@..." <mpcantu@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Accessories needed   Hello, I am new to this hobby and would like to build my collection of AF accessories. Does any one have a log loader, saw mill, oil drum loader, and/or train station I'm c6 or c7 condition they are willing to sell. I have PayPal and will pay immediately of we come to an agreement. Thank you so much Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73149	From: alfred ulrop	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed

Mike I have all of the accessories that you inquired about and all in tact, I also have several others, will send a list if interested or you can call me at 727-269-9668 Al On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Michael Cantu wrote:   I was hoping for something complete but pleases send pictures of the items when you can. Thank you for responding to my email Michael Cantu Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Dr Trains <dtrains@...> wrote:   I have a log loader, mechanicaly fine...plastic house is broken (about$30 to replace)... Have to dig it out of storage case, also have a barrel loader, that may need a new red cart and driver  ??? have to check on it??? these are good condition, not "collector" grade, certainly work fine and over all nice.....not sure about pricing, untill I double check everything and will get back to you if you are serious about these... Prelim estimate is about $50.00 for each item plus shipping Peter Loeb From: "mpcantu@..." <mpcantu@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Accessories needed   Hello, I am new to this hobby and would like to build my collection of AF accessories. Does any one have a log loader, saw mill, oil drum loader, and/or train station I'm c6 or c7 condition they are willing to sell. I have PayPal and will pay immediately of we come to an agreement. Thank you so much Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73150	From: alfred ulrop	Date: 9/27/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed

I stay up until at least 1am if you want to call now On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Michael Cantu wrote:   I was hoping for something complete but pleases send pictures of the items when you can. Thank you for responding to my email Michael Cantu Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Dr Trains <dtrains@...> wrote:   I have a log loader, mechanicaly fine...plastic house is broken (about$30 to replace)... Have to dig it out of storage case, also have a barrel loader, that may need a new red cart and driver  ??? have to check on it??? these are good condition, not "collector" grade, certainly work fine and over all nice.....not sure about pricing, untill I double check everything and will get back to you if you are serious about these... Prelim estimate is about $50.00 for each item plus shipping Peter Loeb From: "mpcantu@..." <mpcantu@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Accessories needed   Hello, I am new to this hobby and would like to build my collection of AF accessories. Does any one have a log loader, saw mill, oil drum loader, and/or train station I'm c6 or c7 condition they are willing to sell. I have PayPal and will pay immediately of we come to an agreement. Thank you so much Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73151	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/28/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

NOW OFFERING a pair of all wheel contact sintered style power trucks for AF high rail operators / repair persons. Please use the link below to view / bid. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. We would be no where with out you ALL. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73152	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 9/28/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer Accessories needed

Our State-Line S gaugers club is hosting S Fest this year.  Nov 1-3, 2013 ,  Janesville, WI.  Information and Registration form is available on the club website.   www.state-linesgaugers.org    With the various vendors and dealers participating It is a good source of information and accessories.   Ken Christiansen

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73153	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/28/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/29/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 29, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73154	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/29/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/29/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 29, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73155	From: reujan2000	Date: 9/30/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM ay your "Bid-Sales" (advertisement)

NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales". NOW OFFERING an American Flyer #24230 three bay hopper produced 1961-1964 rated in an "EXCELLENT CONDITION".      Please use the link below to view / bid. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. We would be no where with out you ALL. Please remember to subscribe to our mailing / notification list at the bottom of the page "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73156	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 9/30/2013
Subject: Train Table For Sale

Subject: Train Table For Sale Due to my age and our aging grandkids, I have decided to dismantle my train table & sell it, and hopefully sell all the buildings & accessories to whomever buys the table. The price for everything, table & accessories is $3,200 (no trains at this time). If you want a listing of everything please contact me at my email address: gmichael.leahy@... Make a trip to Colorado and see the fall colors at the same time! Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO Here is the website for the pictures of the lay-out: http://www.venturea.com/rmd.htm Just look for Mike Leahy & click on it. Remember the trains on the shelves are not a part of the sale of the table & accessories.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73157	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/1/2013
Subject: Up Grade Your AF 6 Wheel Trucks (Advertisement)

Another unpublished SPECIAL OFFER. We will up grade all AF pre-1966 (1946-1965) high rail six (6) wheel trucks to ALL WHEEL CONTACT TRUCKS from OCT. 17, 2013 thru OCT. 31, 2013 for $18.00 ea. minimum order is four (4) trucks. Free return shipping via USPS in CONUS. The regular price is $55.00 per pair. YOU SAVE $38.00.   Thank you for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.   "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73158	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 10/1/2013
Subject: New e-Book Coming (Advertisement)

I am pleased to announce that RLN Publishing will release its first e-book on October 15, 2013. "Work Extra: 15 Useful Tips for Model Railroaders" is a collection of Dick Karnes's "Engineering Department" columns that appeared in the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine, plus a previously unpublished column.  The e-book is a printer-friendly PDF document and has 38 pages, 37 photos and 13 illustrations.  Cost will be $5.95 and available direct from RLN Publishing.  www.1-64ModelingGuide.com Bob Nalbone President, RLN Publishing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73159	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Thursday October 3, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73160	From: componenx	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Re: New member says hello

I've uploaded some photos of the 0-4-0 engine I'm trying to ID; the folder is "40s/50s non AF 0-4-0" (or something like that!).   Besides the B&O badge on the front, I've found no other markings at all.  The last time it actually saw use was probably about 1950; it's been in storage ever since.   Any help would be appreciated!   -Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73161	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales". NOW OFFERING a pair of LBR Brand up graded, 9 spring, link style, all wheel contact power trucks with couplers rated in an "EXCELLENT CONDITION".      Please use the link below to view / bid. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. We would be no where with out you ALL. Please remember to subscribe to our mailing / notification list at the bottom of the page "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73162	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Re: Ask a Lawyer...

Yeah, this is nice!  A SPAM message placed right in the regular posts by the Yahoo "new format!"  I noticed this over the weekend on a couple of Groups and now it's universal!   Far from fixing a major problem, they're adding new layers of aggravation!   I'm afraid to ask what they have in their demented brains to pull next!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73163	From: Richard Reichard	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Rail Bending & Switch Building

To All:       The TCA Eastern Div., York, PA is rapidly approaching  Oct. 17-19.      The Universal Rail Bender for Sectional Track will be available at Table # M - 9 (was Z-9) Silver Hall. The Bender will handle the following rail profiles: O27, O31, Super-O, AF-S, T-Rail, MTH ScaleTrax(code193),  Standard gauge and G gauge(code332). The Bender is great for Straightening rail and Curving rail to any diameter you want.     Also available are Switch building manuals for rail profiles O27, O31, Super-O, AF-S, Standard and 5-Rail (combo of Standard and O42). Switch configurations include conventional, 15°, Curved, a 1 to 4 and double crossovers. A Manual is available for AF-S featuring 6 single crossovers.     Stop by and see how easy it is. If you can not attend contact Dick Reichard at  RLRAUB@... for details.   Dick Reichard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73164	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Re: Ask a Lawyer...

. Delete button. Use it all the time - have to open what is obviously spam to get annoyed by it. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 01 Oct 2013 14:10:04 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Ask a Lawyer...   Yeah, this is nice!  A SPAM message placed right in the regular posts by the Yahoo "new format!"  I noticed this over the weekend on a couple of Groups and now it's universal!   Far from fixing a major problem, they're adding new layers of aggravation!   I'm afraid to ask what they have in their demented brains to pull next!   Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73165	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/2/2013
Subject: Re: New member says hello

 That is a REX 0-4-0  copy of a B&O little joe ,these were usually sold as a kit , and were made any where from the 1940's to the 80's Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (4) Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73166	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: New member says hello

Ron is correct, that looks like the Rex B&O "Dockside" (not to be confused with the Flyer "Docksider.")  Rex locos were made in true 1/64 scale, but were available with either scale wheels and couplers or AF compatible wheels and couplers. Typical of all early era cast metal kits they were tough to build with lots of filing and fitting.       There was also a 2-4-4T "Suburban," a 2-6-0 "Mogul," an 0-6-0 switcher with tender and a few others which appear to have had limited runs.  I see a few unbuilt Rex kits at S gauge meets from time to time, but assembled locos appear rarely.   In the late 1990's the Rex (also marketed under other names as the tooling changed hands) molds and remaining parts stocks was purchased by Terry Putt in the Cleveland, Ohio area.  Eventually as he sorted out what he had, and started to sell both kits and assembled locomotives in small numbers.  Eventually he dropped the kits and produced only Ready to Run.  During this period he also sold a "Critter" four wheel diesel and a four wheel Trolley car of his own design.  For a time he did a Thomas the Tank loco and train.  All this under the Putt Trains name.   These new locos came with DC can motors, are very well built, and run much better.  He continued to offer them either "scale" or "Hi-rail" and either straight DC or AC with reverse unit.  For several years I collected these and had one of every type Terry produced, including one of the last Suburban locos he assembled.   I met Terry at a narrow gauge show early in the decade and by 2005 started to buy his locos in S Hi-rail.   He's a great guy and would have continued to produce the Rex engines but for parts supply problems and the economic downturn which forced him to do other things.  As of the last time I spoke with Terry, there were no plans to build locos in the immediate future.    Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73167	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

I purchased a 290 at a TCA show and the front bulb is bad, are they only able to be replace by special order??? and what about pulling the bulb out of the socket and replacing it with an led which one would be best, (talking about the male socket, breaking the bulb out and resoldering a led, wish I new where to get the quick release sockets, used them for NPN on a job I use to do, ohhh well life in the little city).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73168	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

Replace with an LED. LBR From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine light bulb 290   I purchased a 290 at a TCA show and the front bulb is bad, are they only able to be replace by special order??? and what about pulling the bulb out of the socket and replacing it with an led which one would be best, (talking about the male socket, breaking the bulb out and resoldering a led, wish I new where to get the quick release sockets, used them for NPN on a job I use to do, ohhh well life in the little city).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73169	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

it's not a big deal to replace the lamp on this eng. Spec order ? somebody is pulling a fast one here .  first you will need to go to your local NAPA  or other auto parts store & buy a box of # 1449 lamps , then to change the lamp all you need to do is turn the engine upside down & take out the screw that holds the lamp bracket , pull out the bracket & remove old bulb  by unscrewing it & replace with a new bulb , now that was'nt hard was it ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73170	From: alan smith	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

My vote is to go with L E D .  However, just for history sake --- they did make 1449 bulbs for AF headlight operation use that was one thread short of a std. 1449. This put the bulb filiment closer to the centerline of the lens in the boiler face.  I found this out from our old train friend  "Fred the train guru"  before he passed away.  I think I may have one of his bulbs left in the part box.  L.E.D. is the only way to go if you want a headlight that you can see regardless of transformer settings. U can make this upgrade with a little soldering skill - Or  have it converted . You will be happy you made the change. Old Doc  On Oct 3, 2013, at 4:39 PM, LBR Photo Cards, Dave wrote:   Replace with an LED. LBR From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine light bulb 290   I purchased a 290 at a TCA show and the front bulb is bad, are they only able to be replace by special order??? and what about pulling the bulb out of the socket and replacing it with an led which one would be best, (talking about the male socket, breaking the bulb out and resoldering a led, wish I new where to get the quick release sockets, used them for NPN on a job I use to do, ohhh well life in the little city).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73171	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

I forgot all about NAPA should had a v8 this morning, hehe i know how to get to the bulb tks, but was thinking about going to led reduce heat... From: Ron Inscho <roninscho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine light bulb 290   it's not a big deal to replace the lamp on this eng. Spec order ? somebody is pulling a fast one here .  first you will need to go to your local NAPA  or other auto parts store & buy a box of # 1449 lamps , then to change the lamp all you need to do is turn the engine upside down & take out the screw that holds the lamp bracket , pull out the bracket & remove old bulb  by unscrewing it & replace with a new bulb , now that was'nt hard was it ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73172	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Friday October 4, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73173	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 10/3/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

Unless you are using a LED with some sort of built-in current limiting, you will need to add an appropriate value resistor in series with the LED.   Jerry F.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine light bulb 290     I purchased a 290 at a TCA show and the front bulb is bad, are they only able to be replace by special order??? and what about pulling the bulb out of the socket and replacing it with an led which one would be best, (talking about the male socket, breaking the bulb out and resoldering a led, wish I new where to get the quick release sockets, used them for NPN on a job I use to do, ohhh well life in the little city).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73174	From: componenx	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: New member says hello

Wow, that's a lot of good info!  It's amazing how one word in a search can make a difference; I've spent hours looking at 0-4-0s, trying to find a match, and then adding Rex, there it is... Thanks! -Dave From: mrstumpy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 5:56:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:New member says hello   Ron is correct, that looks like the Rex B&O "Dockside" (not to be confused with the Flyer "Docksider.")  Rex locos were made in true 1/64 scale, but were available with either scale wheels and couplers or AF compatible wheels and couplers. Typical of all early era cast metal kits they were tough to build with lots of filing and fitting.       There was also a 2-4-4T "Suburban," a 2-6-0 "Mogul," an 0-6-0 switcher with tender and a few others which appear to have had limited runs.  I see a few unbuilt Rex kits at S gauge meets from time to time, but assembled locos appear rarely.   In the late 1990's the Rex (also marketed under other names as the tooling changed hands) molds and remaining parts stocks was purchased by Terry Putt in the Cleveland, Ohio area.  Eventually as he sorted out what he had, and started to sell both kits and assembled locomotives in small numbers.  Eventually he dropped the kits and produced only Ready to Run.  During this period he also sold a "Critter" four wheel diesel and a four wheel Trolley car of his own design.  For a time he did a Thomas the Tank loco and train.  All this under the Putt Trains name.   These new locos came with DC can motors, are very well built, and run much better.  He continued to offer them either "scale" or "Hi-rail" and either straight DC or AC with reverse unit.  For several years I collected these and had one of every type Terry produced, including one of the last Suburban locos he assembled.   I met Terry at a narrow gauge show early in the decade and by 2005 started to buy his locos in S Hi-rail.   He's a great guy and would have continued to produce the Rex engines but for parts supply problems and the economic downturn which forced him to do other things.  As of the last time I spoke with Terry, there were no plans to build locos in the immediate future.    Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73175	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

NEW ITEM at your "Bid-Sales".  Please use the link below to view / bid. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. We would be no where with out you ALL. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73176	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE takes on Yahoo

I've ben getting questioning e-mails as to when I would bring the "new format" on Yahoo to http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com . Is this just a major screw up or a preview of a growing trend?  There's more here than meets the eye.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73177	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

1449 bulbs made in the USA are shorter than imported 1449 bulbs. Back in Gilbert’s day, of course US bulbs were used! Today, however, they are no longer made in the US. This is a problem, because in many steam engines, the taller bulb (one extra thread, as someone mentioned) is too tall and the boiler front cannot be inserted into the boiler. In diesels, it can place the bulb too close to plastic, and cause deformation. So it is wise to avoid imported 1449 bulbs. I would expect that any NAPA bulbs would be imported.   The bulbs we sell have to be imported, BUT they are custom-ordered to be made to original US specs……..OK to use.   And we also have screw-base LEDs, used just like original bulbs. We have these for 1447 (an OK LED replacement for a 1449), 432, 432-Red, 432-Green, and 1447-Red.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73178	From: traindavid	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: 4449 bulbs--was engine light bulb 290

Just to clarify; the original 1449 American made light bulbs were one thread shorter than the current Chinese production bulbs,  ACG did not use a special production bulb, the Chinese just got it wrong (big surprise); this is also true of the 1447 bulb. I have never seen heat problems with the bulb in a 290, but a direct replacement LED would be brighter at all throttle settings. I believe they are available with a min. screw base and the resistor built in (direct replacement). S’ David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73179	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE takes on Yahoo

Hi Stumpy, There has been a lot of cussing and discussing about the NEO Yahoo format. Most of us gray-headed people seem to dislike it. That is whizzing in the wind in my view. The new look is consistent with much of the look and feel for a wide range of platforms and services. Games, operating systems, phones, tablets and all sorts of electronics are all heading down that path. It is just the way the industry is going. I suspect, but cannot prove, that some of it has to do with protection of intellectual rights. Some of the older technology had loop holes to allow piracy of sounds, images and videos. When the underlying tech has been updated, it required an updated user interface to match. What we see is just the tip of much more sweeping changes under the covers. Newer, younger and safer are the driving pressures. As our hobby has turned gray, so has our voice in the presentation layer. Your site does not appear to have a lot of active controls or underlying database work. All you have is the really fun and informative parts. What you do is up to you. Kitbashing web pages is a whole different thing. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/4/2013 4:20 AM, mrstumpy@... wrote: I've ben getting questioning e-mails as to when I would bring the "new format" on Yahoo to http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com . Is this just a major screw up or a preview of a growing trend?  There's more here than meets the eye. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73180	From: alan smith	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE takes on Yahoo

Stumpy-  Good dig at the Dumb- a*&  Yahoo bunch --- I am not drinking the KooL-aid either. Old guy Alan in Hamilton Oh. On Oct 4, 2013, at 7:20 AM, <mrstumpy@...> wrote:   I've ben getting questioning e-mails as to when I would bring the "new format" on Yahoo to http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com . Is this just a major screw up or a preview of a growing trend?  There's more here than meets the eye.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73181	From: William J Gill	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

Interesting details on bulb lengths as I ran into this problem some time ago but in an opposite vain. I found the 1449 bulbs in my newer AF yard light too short. I had to put a dab of solder on the tip of the bulb for it to make contact. This was "new" out of the box and I assume direct from your favorite Chinese manufacturer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73182	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: decals

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73183	From: Greg	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: S Gauge Thomas the Tank Engine

Can anyone supply a link or other information about purchasing a S Gauge Thomas the Tank Engine? Greg Sent from my iPad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73184	From: alan smith	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

Guys and Gals,   My vote is to go with L E D .  However, just for history sake --- they did make 1449 bulbs for AF headlight operation use that was one thread short of a std. 1449. This put the bulb filiment closer to the centerline of the lens in the boiler face.  I found this out from our old train friend  "Fred the train guru"  before he passed away.  I think I may have one of his bulbs left in the part box.  L.E.D. is the only way to go if you want a headlight that you can see regardless of transformer settings. U can make this upgrade with a little soldering skill - Or  have it converted . You will be happy you made the change. LBR offers a conversion kit.   I have two engines with this upgrade - awesome difference/  Alan  On Oct 3, 2013, at 4:39 PM, LBR Photo Cards, Dave wrote:   Replace with an LED. LBR From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Engine light bulb 290   I purchased a 290 at a TCA show and the front bulb is bad, are they only able to be replace by special order??? and what about pulling the bulb out of the socket and replacing it with an led which one would be best, (talking about the male socket, breaking the bulb out and resoldering a led, wish I new where to get the quick release sockets, used them for NPN on a job I use to do, ohhh well life in the little city).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73185	From: snstrains	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: 1449 bulbs--was engine light bulb 290

David is 100% spot on here. Including the LED screw in....   Steve   In a message dated 10/4/2013 9:02:08 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, djdewey@... writes: Just to clarify; the original 1449 American made light bulbs were one thread shorter than the current Chinese production bulbs,  ACG did not use a special production bulb, the Chinese just got it wrong (big surprise); this is also true of the 1447 bulb. I have never seen heat problems with the bulb in a 290, but a direct replacement LED would be brighter at all throttle settings. I believe they are available with a min. screw base and the resistor built in (direct replacement). S’ David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73186	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: S-Scale Decal Question

S-Trains Group, I am going to attempt to make decals for my Maine Central S-Scale GP7-9s and RS11s. I was looking at this brand from: Decalpaper.com (white) Is there any other recommendations out there? The sheets are not cheap. I am using a Brother laser printer that has very fine resolution. The Geeps are American Models unpainted and the Alco RS11s are Overland brass models. The pattern will be for the late 1950-early 1960s MEC Green&Gold and Maroon&Gold striped schemes. Micro-Scale Decals used to have them in HO and O in limited quantities but are not at all available in S-Scale. Des Plaines hobbies has the later Pumpkin Orange scheme which I have but is not usable for the earlier Geep and Alco schemes. I finally decided to make a go of it. I downloaded some scale drawings of the units ( http://trainiax.net/mescaleloco-list.php?dtype=UT&scale18=1&scale36=1&scale55=1 ) scaled them up/down in Micro-soft Visio to match 1/64th scale (3/16" scale) and now I am going to attempt to make the line patterns similar to what Micro-scale did on their decal sheets. Making decals is new to me and is an experiment of course but I have high expectations. I am pretty proficient in Visio and what was hard say 5-8 yrs ago to do is now easier. I also downloaded a while ago from the web scale pictures of the Geeps with the Green/Gold paint scheme. Albeit they are a tad fuzzy when I scaled them up to S-Scale size they are good enough to overlay over the scale drawings to size the line patterns right. Using the Micro-Scale decal image that I have from several years ago I can now use that line pattern as a drawing to scale up to the right sizes and redraw using Visio over it and fill the patterns with the proper colors...I hope. That Orange color for striping on the MEC and B&M (called gold..why..?) is more orange/yellow. But either way, I will attempt to match the colors. Hopefully I am successful. Thanks for any tips and info in advance!! Best Regards Paul Krause

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73187	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

Hi Doug.                    I believe you are getting your custom order #1449 and #1447 Bulbs from Barry King. I provided Barry with the USA specifications to make those. I discovered the difference while doing repairs.  Since I had boxes of USA bulbs, I got the specifications from those boxes.  The application of the #1449 is the most important as you explained in your email.  The last batch of USA bulbs I was able to obtain were Phillips-Westinghouse and I believe these were made in Canada. The imported #1449 work fine in solid boilers with the XA10890 Light Bracket and as you know these will work in diesels, but using #1447 18 volt bulbs are better to use to reduce heat and keep the cabs from melting, especially in the GP7.                                                                             Tom Seccia From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 7:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine light bulb 290   1449 bulbs made in the USA are shorter than imported 1449 bulbs. Back in Gilbert’s day, of course US bulbs were used! Today, however, they are no longer made in the US. This is a problem, because in many steam engines, the taller bulb (one extra thread, as someone mentioned) is too tall and the boiler front cannot be inserted into the boiler. In diesels, it can place the bulb too close to plastic, and cause deformation. So it is wise to avoid imported 1449 bulbs. I would expect that any NAPA bulbs would be imported.   The bulbs we sell have to be imported, BUT they are custom-ordered to be made to original US specs……..OK to use.   And we also have screw-base LEDs, used just like original bulbs. We have these for 1447 (an OK LED replacement for a 1449), 432, 432-Red, 432-Green, and 1447-Red.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73188	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

Issue with most miniature lamps made I'm China Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:28 AM, William J Gill <wjbillgill@...> wrote: > Interesting details on bulb lengths as I ran into this problem some time ago but in an opposite vain. I found the 1449 bulbs in my newer AF yard light too short. I had to put a dab of solder on the tip of the bulb for it to make contact. This was "new" out of the box and I assume direct from your favorite Chinese manufacturer. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73189	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: Dry transfers or water decals for a 499

Hi Doug and all,        Does anyone make dry transfers or water decals for a 499 New Haven?   Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013 10:50 am Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine light bulb 290   1449 bulbs made in the USA are shorter than imported 1449 bulbs. Back in Gilbert’s day, of course US bulbs were used! Today, however, they are no longer made in the US. This is a problem, because in many steam engines, the taller bulb (one extra thread, as someone mentioned) is too tall and the boiler front cannot be inserted into the boiler. In diesels, it can place the bulb too close to plastic, and cause deformation. So it is wise to avoid imported 1449 bulbs. I would expect that any NAPA bulbs would be imported.   The bulbs we sell have to be imported, BUT they are custom-ordered to be made to original US specs……..OK to use.   And we also have screw-base LEDs, used just like original bulbs. We have these for 1447 (an OK LED replacement for a 1449), 432, 432-Red, 432-Green, and 1447-Red.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73190	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: S-Scale Making Decal Question

S-Trains Group, I am going to attempt to make decals for my Maine Central S-Scale GP7-9s and RS11s. I was looking at this brand from: Decalpaper.com (white) Is there any other recommendations out there? The sheets are not cheap. I am using a Brother laser printer that has very fine resolution. The Geeps are American Models unpainted and the Alco RS11s are Overland brass models. The pattern will be for the late 1950-early 1960s MEC Green&Gold and Maroon&Gold striped schemes. Micro-Scale Decals used to have them in HO and O in limited quantities but are not at all available in S-Scale. Des Plaines hobbies has the later Pumpkin Orange scheme which I have but is not usable for the earlier Geep and Alco schemes. I finally decided to make a go of it. I downloaded some scale drawings of the units ( http://trainiax.net/mescaleloco-list.php?dtype=UT&scale18=1&scale36=1&scale55=1 ) scaled them up/down in Micro-soft Visio to match 1/64th scale (3/16" scale) and now I am going to attempt to make the line patterns similar to what Micro-scale did on their decal sheets. Making decals is new to me and is an experiment of course but I have high expectations. I am pretty proficient in Visio and what was hard say 5-8 yrs ago to do is now easier. I also downloaded a while ago from the web scale pictures of the Geeps with the Green/Gold paint scheme. Albeit they are a tad fuzzy when I scaled them up to S-Scale size they are good enough to overlay over the scale drawings to size the line patterns right. Using the Micro-Scale decal image that I have from several years ago I can now use that line pattern as a drawing to scale up to the right sizes and redraw using Visio over it and fill the patterns with the proper colors...I hope. That Orange color for striping on the MEC and B&M (called gold..why..?) is more orange/yellow. But either way, I will attempt to match the colors. Hopefully I am successful. Thanks for any tips and info in advance!! Best Regards Paul Krause

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73191	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/4/2013
Subject: "Prairie Dog" Part Two posted

In the second part of my current kit bash project on http://myflyertrains.org  actual construction begins!   We make a two wheel pilot truck from a four wheel one and make a drawbar to use the "inside bearing" style trailing truck and fit to any tender.   Many of you who have been following these projects will find a few new things in this series, so I hope you will all continue to enjoy what you can do for a little work and very little money.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73192	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Re: Dry transfers or water decals for a 499

If anyone does, it would be LBR. Original engines, of course, were not decaled….everything except the nose was pad-printed….., so therefore there are no “repro” decals made.   <<< Does anyone make dry transfers or water decals for a 499 New Haven? >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73193	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: FREE: Red, White & Blue Union Pacific Herald Decals (Advertisement)

FREE Union Pacific FULL COLOR Herald, pair. This is good only for mail in orders of $10.00 USD or more orders.      Yes, this is one pair of Union Pacific FULL COLOR (red, white & blue) shield herald decals for every $10.00 USD that you mail in (use the order form at our web site). EXAMPLE: $10.00 = 1 pr., $20.00 = 2 pr., $30.00 = 3 pr., etc.      As always the shipping is FREE in CONUS.   "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73194	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: FREE Decal Offer Ends 10-31-2013 (Advertisement)

We forgot to include an end time.   The end time for the offer is 10-31-2013   "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73195	From: poniaj	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Making Decal Question

Hi Paul, I've made decals for some of my projects before, and using a laser printer is the best.  Ink jet printers will work too, but I've found that they require a lot more care in handling and application.  Good decal paper isn't cheap, so don't be swayed by price.  It's worth it.  Be sure you over coat the finished decal with a clear coating.  Some guys prefer Krylon or a spray clear from the local hardware store.  I usually use either Microscale's decal coating, Floquil or simply Testor's clear lacquer.  Depending on the final gloss level, use either satin or high gloss (which works best).  Once over coated, the decal is quite robust, but not like commercially made ones which use a thick ink.  Your choice of gloss level on the decal should match the surface on which the decal is initially applied, preferable a glossy one.  Then over coat the whole surface with a clear gloss to even out the gloss levels and finally with your preferred coating, either flat, satin or semi gloss.  Prepping the surface is important.  Plastic must be thoroughly cleaned with a mild detergent and water, air dried (sometimes by using compressed air, and handled with care so as not to leave fingerprints.  Brass can be soda blasted to roughen up the surface to give more "bite" for the primer to adhere to.  In the absence of soda blasting, I've used household cleanser and an old toothbrush, but this must be washed off with HOT water and detergent, and plenty of it.  Since most brass models are lacquer coated, first of all , EVERY trace of previous lacquer coating must be removed.  I've used automotive stripper or full strength lacquer thinner.  Check into buying self-etching automotive primer at an auto paint supply store.  I've found it in spray cans, so you shouldn't need to purchase it in bulk.  I've also made stripes by paining on clear paper, then cutting and applying the decal before the paint is dry, but not fully cured.   There may be others out there who do things differently, but the above process has worked for me for years, and I have a list of satisfied people for whom I have done custom painting. But the bottom line is practice first and have fun.  Let us know how it turns out! Jerry  Poniatowski Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73196	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Train Table For Sale

I am selling my train table built by an industrial arts teacher in Boulder, CO. It has been disassembled, and ready to transport if anyone is interested in purchasing it. Check out the pictures at: http://www.venturea.com/rmd.htm Note: I will also be selling the accessories & buildings on the table which you can see in the pictures. Mike Leahy Boulder, CO.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73197	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Re: Dry transfers or water decals for a 499

Hi Doug,                            These could be made as reproduction decals or stickers.  I believe you could also made these as Dry Transfers with the exception of the large NH which is two color.  Please let me know if you're making any as I am interested.                                                            Tom Seccia                                                              Triple"S" Supplies t From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 7:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Dry transfers or water decals for a 499   If anyone does, it would be LBR. Original engines, of course, were not decaled….everything except the nose was pad-printed….., so therefore there are no “repro” decals made.   <<< Does anyone make dry transfers or water decals for a 499 New Haven? >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73198	From: jvmandell	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 13, 2013

The New Haven and Derby Model Railroad Club, Inc. (an affiliate of The Orange Historical Society) will be holding it’s 21st annual model train show on Sunday October 13, 2013 from 9:30AM–3:30PM at High Plains Community Center 525 Orange Center Road (route 152) in Orange, CT. Mapquest: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=525+Orange+Center+Road&city=Orange&state=ct&zipcode=  The building is minutes from Interstate 95’s exit 41 and exit 56 of the Wilbur Cross Parkway (CT 15). It is handicap accessible and has plenty of free parking. All Scales and eras will be represented with between 90-100 vendor tables featuring locomotives, rolling stock, books, accessories, clothing, scenery, buildings and railroad memorabilia. The Valley “HO” Railroad Club, and the Connecticut “G” Scale Railroad Club will have their modular operating layouts set up for viewing and their members will gladly answer any questions you may have. In addition we will have smaller kid friendly “S” Gauge and “T” track layouts.  There will be door prizes every hour and a dining car to satisfy your hunger. All in all there will be something for every member of the family. Donations are: adults $5.00, teens (12-18 with adult) $1.00 and under 12 free. For more information contact Chairman Joel Mandell 203-795-1020 or by e-mail at jvmandell@... or www.newhaven-derbymodelrailroadclub.org to find out more about us.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73199	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Making Decal Question

In checking with the salesman at Office Max here in Kalispell he informed me that unless the decals are to be used on RC aircraft or any other outdoor type application there is no need to go through the extra expense of getting a laser printer because an ink jet will work just fine. He did say however that it would be advisable to get a printer with the highest resolution that you can afford and to get the highest price one you can afford. Since ALPS has gone out of business there is no longer a company that produces a printer that will print in white. I guess we can only hope is all because I need white lettering and numbers for my passenger locomotives.               Bob Lampe                 Kalispell   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: pakrause5@... Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 20:38:53 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Making Decal Question   S-Trains Group, I am going to attempt to make decals for my Maine Central S-Scale GP7-9s and RS11s. I was looking at this brand from: Decalpaper.com (white) Is there any other recommendations out there? The sheets are not cheap. I am using a Brother laser printer that has very fine resolution. The Geeps are American Models unpainted and the Alco RS11s are Overland brass models. The pattern will be for the late 1950-early 1960s MEC Green&Gold and Maroon&Gold striped schemes. Micro-Scale Decals used to have them in HO and O in limited quantities but are not at all available in S-Scale. Des Plaines hobbies has the later Pumpkin Orange scheme which I have but is not usable for the earlier Geep and Alco schemes. I finally decided to make a go of it. I downloaded some scale drawings of the units ( http://trainiax.net/mescaleloco-list.php?dtype=UT&scale18=1&scale36=1&scale55=1 ) scaled them up/down in Micro-soft Visio to match 1/64th scale (3/16" scale) and now I am going to attempt to make the line patterns similar to what Micro-scale did on their decal sheets. Making decals is new to me and is an experiment of course but I have high expectations. I am pretty proficient in Visio and what was hard say 5-8 yrs ago to do is now easier. I also downloaded a while ago from the web scale pictures of the Geeps with the Green/Gold paint scheme. Albeit they are a tad fuzzy when I scaled them up to S-Scale size they are good enough to overlay over the scale drawings to size the line patterns right. Using the Micro-Scale decal image that I have from several years ago I can now use that line pattern as a drawing to scale up to the right sizes and redraw using Visio over it and fill the patterns with the proper colors...I hope. That Orange color for striping on the MEC and B&M (called gold..why..?) is more orange/yellow. But either way, I will attempt to match the colors. Hopefully I am successful. Thanks for any tips and info in advance!! Best Regards Paul Krause

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73200	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: Re: Dry transfers or water decals for a 499

You can google dry transfer decals and a website will come up that shows how it's done. Not real complicated but a lot of steps involved.                                                              Bob Lampe                                                               Kalispell   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: HOwingsiii@... Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 15:28:09 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Dry transfers or water decals for a 499   Hi Doug and all,        Does anyone make dry transfers or water decals for a 499 New Haven?   Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013 10:50 am Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine light bulb 290   1449 bulbs made in the USA are shorter than imported 1449 bulbs. Back in Gilbert’s day, of course US bulbs were used! Today, however, they are no longer made in the US. This is a problem, because in many steam engines, the taller bulb (one extra thread, as someone mentioned) is too tall and the boiler front cannot be inserted into the boiler. In diesels, it can place the bulb too close to plastic, and cause deformation. So it is wise to avoid imported 1449 bulbs. I would expect that any NAPA bulbs would be imported.   The bulbs we sell have to be imported, BUT they are custom-ordered to be made to original US specs……..OK to use.   And we also have screw-base LEDs, used just like original bulbs. We have these for 1447 (an OK LED replacement for a 1449), 432, 432-Red, 432-Green, and 1447-Red.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73201	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/5/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/6/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 6, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73202	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/6/2013
Subject: TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED - OPEN HOUSE

OPEN HOUSE WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 16, 2013 STARTING AT 2:00 PM (around)   TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED 38 YORK ST.  HANOVER PA. 17331 ( 25 minutes from York, PA FAIRGROUNDS ) 1-717-637-4717     FOOD, DRINKS & PLENTY OF GOOD CONVERSATION       Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St., Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday, October the 16th, 2013. This is the week of the York TCA, Meet.      This year's event will start at 2 PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer & Lionel trains and accessories. Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer items to show and tell about (please bring  in your interesting Flyer items), and of course we will also have a large group of Flyer and Lionel operators and collectors visiting. Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your American Flyer & Lionel friends to come along. There is plenty of that stuff here to choose from. DIRECTIONS: From the York Fairgrounds, take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Route 30 west.  Follow Route 30 west (for approximately 8 miles) until you come to the intersection of Rt.116 & Route 30.  Turn left onto Rt.116.  From route 116 & 30 you will travel approximately 20 miles where Rt. 116 will become York St. in the town of Hanover.  As you enter the town of Hanover, travel approximately 2 miles. The train shop will be on the right side of York St./116.  Look for the Railroad Flag hanging from the front of the store.    POST & PRE-WAR LIONEL ////TRAINS & ACCESSORIES AMERICAN FLYER//// TRAINS & ACCESSORIES MTH ////TRAINS & ACCESSORIES AMERICAN MODELS, S-HELPER, K-LINE, DISCOUNT  TRAIN SETS THERE IS NO RETAIL PRICES IN THIS STORE !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73203	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/6/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/6/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 6, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73204	From: rudypenne	Date: 10/6/2013
Subject: Re: WEB SITE UP ADVERT

My web site is back up. Simple & to the point   Anormal1.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73205	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/6/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Monday October 7, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73206	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/6/2013
Subject: York Week OPEN HOUSE

OPEN HOUSE WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 16, 2013 STARTING AT 2:00 PM (around)   TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED 38 YORK ST.  HANOVER PA. 17331 ( 25 minutes from York, PA FAIRGROUNDS ) 1-717-637-4717     FOOD, DRINKS & PLENTY OF GOOD CONVERSATION       Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St., Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday, October the 16th, 2013. This is the week of the York TCA, Meet.      This year's event will start at 2 PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer & Lionel trains and accessories. Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer items to show and tell about (please bring  in your interesting Flyer items), and of course we will also have a large group of Flyer and Lionel operators and collectors visiting. Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your American Flyer & Lionel friends to come along. There is plenty of that stuff here to choose from. DIRECTIONS: From the York Fairgrounds, take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Route 30 west.  Follow Route 30 west (for approximately 8 miles) until you come to the intersection of Rt.116 & Route 30.  Turn left onto Rt.116.  From route 116 & 30 you will travel approximately 20 miles where Rt. 116 will become York St. in the town of Hanover.  As you enter the town of Hanover, travel approximately 2 miles. The train shop will be on the right side of York St./116.  Look for the Railroad Flag hanging from the front of the store.    POST & PRE-WAR LIONEL ////TRAINS & ACCESSORIES AMERICAN FLYER//// TRAINS & ACCESSORIES MTH ////TRAINS & ACCESSORIES AMERICAN MODELS, S-HELPER, K-LINE, DISCOUNT  TRAIN SETS THERE IS NO RETAIL PRICES IN THIS STORE !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73207	From: rjk_socal	Date: 10/7/2013
Subject: Re: Engine light bulb 290

I looked at the current GE specifications for the #1449 and it's the same as in a GE miniature catalog I have from the 1970s.  The maximum overall length (MOL) is 0.941 inches measuring from the solder blob at the bottom to the top of the globe.  Many of the Chinese lamps have a longer bottom plastic (below the screw) and a larger solder blob preventing them from going deeper into the socket.  GE makes their miniature lamps at their company-owned plant in Hungary.  Westinghouse as a light bulb manufacturer no longer exists.  An importer bought the product name and anything "Westinghouse" is now imported from Asia.  Philips of the Netherlands bought the light bulb business from Westinghouse years ago.  They have a #1449 in their catalog that meets the same MOL as does GE.  Sylvania doesn't manufacture their miniature lamps but instead buys mostly from Chinese producers.  I have seen some of their packages labeled "Made in Hungary" and I suspect they are buying them from GE which is a very common practice in the light bulb manufacturing business when their out of stock and a production run isn't scheduled for a while.  Osram of Germany - who owns Sylvania - has a #1449 in their catalog too and it meets the .0941 inch MOL spec. I guess one has to shop brand name products to get a bulb that fits.  The Chinese bulbs are a real waste of money! ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi Doug.                    I believe you are getting your custom order #1449 and #1447 Bulbs from Barry King. I provided Barry with the USA specifications to make those. I discovered the difference while doing repairs.  Since I had boxes of USA bulbs, I got the specifications from those boxes.  The application of the #1449 is the most important as you explained in your email.  The last batch of USA bulbs I was able to obtain were Phillips-Westinghouse and I believe these were made in Canada. The imported #1449 work fine in solid boilers with the XA10890 Light Bracket and as you know these will work in diesels, but using #1447 18 volt bulbs are better to use to reduce heat and keep the cabs from melting, especially in the GP7.                                                                             Tom Seccia From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 7:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Engine light bulb 290   1449 bulbs made in the USA are shorter than imported 1449 bulbs. Back in Gilbert’s day, of course US bulbs were used! Today, however, they are no longer made in the US. This is a problem, because in many steam engines, the taller bulb (one extra thread, as someone mentioned) is too tall and the boiler front cannot be inserted into the boiler. In diesels, it can place the bulb too close to plastic, and cause deformation. So it is wise to avoid imported 1449 bulbs. I would expect that any NAPA bulbs would be imported.   The bulbs we sell have to be imported, BUT they are custom-ordered to be made to original US specs……..OK to use.   And we also have screw-base LEDs, used just like original bulbs. We have these for 1447 (an OK LED replacement for a 1449), 432, 432-Red, 432-Green, and 1447-Red.   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73208	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.

Any thing I should see? There is a lady there who has a basement of American Flyer trains. She is single and likes to dance. Now I dare not post this on the scale group, because they would not want to meet her. Right? I told her train guys are harmless.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73209	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73210	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.

----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES SLEETH There is a lady there who has a basement of American Flyer trains. She is single and likes to dance. Now I dare not post this on the scale group, because they would not want to meet her. Right? > > > > > > > > > > > Not necessarily. There is hope for everyone. People can advance in the hobby, refine their modelling, and develop an appreciation for realism. Compare the owner's manuals for the U33C and the SD70ACe. The former shows the locomotive on toy train track. The later has its locomotive on model railroad track with realistic ties. Just as natural a progression as going from 3- to 2-rail track. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73211	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73212	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.

HAVE LOTS OF TRAINS....... Send info on Lady!!!!! Even better if she has a Yorkie...... Then send Pic..... Bob Single and dance 2 - 4 times a week..... From: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> To: "s-trains@yahoogroups.com" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.   Any thing I should see? There is a lady there who has a basement of American Flyer trains. She is single and likes to dance. Now I dare not post this on the scale group, because they would not want to meet her. Right? I told her train guys are harmless.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73213	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.

----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES SLEETH There is a lady there who has a basement of American Flyer trains. She is single and likes to dance. Now I dare not post this on the scale group, because they would not want to meet her. Right?     Is there any chance she likes polka music ? :) Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (2) Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73214	From: The Reardon's	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Decal Question

 Hi Paul,   The "Harvest Gold" from Accu-Paint is a dead on for the MEC /B&M orange / yellow color you are looking for. I too am modeling Maine Central in "S" and proper decals have been a stumbling block, so please let me know how this experiment goes for you.   Thanks, Pat, in Maine     ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul A Krause To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 2:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Decal Question   S-Trains Group, I am going to attempt to make decals for my Maine Central S-Scale GP7-9s and RS11s. I was looking at this brand from: Decalpaper.com (white) Is there any other recommendations out there? The sheets are not cheap. I am using a Brother laser printer that has very fine resolution. The Geeps are American Models unpainted and the Alco RS11s are Overland brass models. The pattern will be for the late 1950-early 1960s MEC Green&Gold and Maroon&Gold striped schemes. Micro-Scale Decals used to have them in HO and O in limited quantities but are not at all available in S-Scale. Des Plaines hobbies has the later Pumpkin Orange scheme which I have but is not usable for the earlier Geep and Alco schemes. I finally decided to make a go of it. I downloaded some scale drawings of the units ( http://trainiax.net/mescaleloco-list.php?dtype=UT&scale18=1&scale36=1&scale55=1 ) scaled them up/down in Micro-soft Visio to match 1/64th scale (3/16" scale) and now I am going to attempt to make the line patterns similar to what Micro-scale did on their decal sheets. Making decals is new to me and is an experiment of course but I have high expectations. I am pretty proficient in Visio and what was hard say 5-8 yrs ago to do is now easier. I also downloaded a while ago from the web scale pictures of the Geeps with the Green/Gold paint scheme. Albeit they are a tad fuzzy when I scaled them up to S-Scale size they are good enough to overlay over the scale drawings to size the line patterns right. Using the Micro-Scale decal image that I have from several years ago I can now use that line pattern as a drawing to scale up to the right sizes and redraw using Visio over it and fill the patterns with the proper colors...I hope. That Orange color for striping on the MEC and B&M (called gold..why..?) is more orange/yellow. But either way, I will attempt to match the colors. Hopefully I am successful. Thanks for any tips and info in advance!! Best Regards Paul Krause

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73215	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Wednesday October 9, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73216	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

Point well taken! On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73217	From: mike rosz	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Decal Question

there ar some S decals out there.  And one is in Canada. On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 6:13 PM, The Reardon's <preardon@...> wrote:    Hi Paul,   The "Harvest Gold" from Accu-Paint is a dead on for the MEC /B&M orange / yellow color you are looking for. I too am modeling Maine Central in "S" and proper decals have been a stumbling block, so please let me know how this experiment goes for you.   Thanks, Pat, in Maine     ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul A Krause To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 2:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Decal Question   S-Trains Group, I am going to attempt to make decals for my Maine Central S-Scale GP7-9s and RS11s. I was looking at this brand from: Decalpaper.com (white) Is there any other recommendations out there? The sheets are not cheap. I am using a Brother laser printer that has very fine resolution. The Geeps are American Models unpainted and the Alco RS11s are Overland brass models. The pattern will be for the late 1950-early 1960s MEC Green&Gold and Maroon&Gold striped schemes. Micro-Scale Decals used to have them in HO and O in limited quantities but are not at all available in S-Scale. Des Plaines hobbies has the later Pumpkin Orange scheme which I have but is not usable for the earlier Geep and Alco schemes. I finally decided to make a go of it. I downloaded some scale drawings of the units ( http://trainiax.net/mescaleloco-list.php?dtype=UT&scale18=1&scale36=1&scale55=1 ) scaled them up/down in Micro-soft Visio to match 1/64th scale (3/16" scale) and now I am going to attempt to make the line patterns similar to what Micro-scale did on their decal sheets. Making decals is new to me and is an experiment of course but I have high expectations. I am pretty proficient in Visio and what was hard say 5-8 yrs ago to do is now easier. I also downloaded a while ago from the web scale pictures of the Geeps with the Green/Gold paint scheme. Albeit they are a tad fuzzy when I scaled them up to S-Scale size they are good enough to overlay over the scale drawings to size the line patterns right. Using the Micro-Scale decal image that I have from several years ago I can now use that line pattern as a drawing to scale up to the right sizes and redraw using Visio over it and fill the patterns with the proper colors...I hope. That Orange color for striping on the MEC and B&M (called gold..why..?) is more orange/yellow. But either way, I will attempt to match the colors. Hopefully I am successful. Thanks for any tips and info in advance!! Best Regards Paul Krause

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73218	From: mikenguy9	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.

What is happening in Delaware in Nov and Dec?  I dance.  just finished a weekend of dance lessons,  In Wisconsin.  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Any thing I should see? There is a lady there who has a basement of American Flyer trains. She is single and likes to dance. Now I dare not post this on the scale group, because they would not want to meet her. Right? I told her train guys are harmless.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73219	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Narrow gauge

Does anyone know of any narrow gauge locomotives for sale??? I would prefer a Shay or two.    Bob Lampe    Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73220	From: rudypenne	Date: 10/8/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

This was a topic about a year ago (or longer). The end result was that constant selling would not be allowed. The selling to be allowed, from members & not CO.s It was also to be limited to CO.s MAYBE once a month, but not ON GOING...Taking over this forum just so you can avoid E-Bay fees, is, IMHO, not what this group is about.   In a message dated 10/8/2013 5:59:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rosegirl88@... writes:   Point well taken! On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73221	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

We will cease to inform everyone here about any new products for "S" we will have coming out in future if that is what everyone wants. But we will not stop just because a few want to dictate to the rest. We have dozens of new items & services for "S" coming out in the months ahead. The moderator of this group will let us know what is best. LBR On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:59 PM, Dennis Donovan <rosegirl88@...> wrote:   Point well taken! On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73222	From: herbw202	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

Dale, As usual you are absolutely right. The privilege is being abused. The sige is not supposed to be for a  way to avoid the normal eBay expenses.\ Herb Wasserman   ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <anormal1@...> wrote: This was a topic about a year ago (or longer). The end result was that constant selling would not be allowed. The selling to be allowed, from members & not CO.s It was also to be limited to CO.s MAYBE once a month, but not ON GOING...Taking over this forum just so you can avoid E-Bay fees, is, IMHO, not what this group is about.   In a message dated 10/8/2013 5:59:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rosegirl88@... writes:   Point well taken! On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73223	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: What's NEW in "S"

If anyone here would like to stay current with what will be offered in future and currently with LBR and other vendors or manufacturers. Or, if you would like to buy or sell your own items. If you have a NEW product for "S" come on over to our group at    afpartsandpieces.com   If you have a GREAT NEW "S" PRODUCT we may even give you a FREE PAGE on our web site for 30 days just to get you started.   PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT POSTS FOR NEW PRODUCTS OR SERVICES FROM LBR OR OTHER VENDORS / MANFACTURERS MAY BE ON A DAILY BASIS AS THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING IN "S" THAT YOU MAY NOT ALREADY KNOW ABOUT.   This is a non-moderated group, but please NO POLITICAL, RELIGIOUS or SEXUAL CONTENT in your posts.   LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73224	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Decal Question

Mike,     Could you elaborate as to where in Canada these decals may be?  A contact or web page would be great.  Thanks   Best Regards   Paul Krause 5 Chandler Lane New Milford, CT 06776 Home# 860-350-5144 Mobile# 203-512-2866   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mike rosz Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 7:51 pm To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Scale Decal Question     there ar some S decals out there.  And one is in Canada.   On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 6:13 PM, The Reardon's <preardon@...> wrote:    Hi Paul,   The "Harvest Gold" from Accu-Paint is a dead on for the MEC /B&M orange / yellow color you are looking for. I too am modeling Maine Central in "S" and proper decals have been a stumbling block, so please let me know how this experiment goes for you.   Thanks, Pat, in Maine     ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul A Krause To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 2:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Decal Question     S-Trains Group, I am going to attempt to make decals for my Maine Central S-Scale GP7-9s and RS11s. I was looking at this brand from: Decalpaper.com (white) Is there any other recommendations out there? The sheets are not cheap. I am using a Brother laser printer that has very fine resolution. The Geeps are American Models unpainted and the Alco RS11s are Overland brass models. The pattern will be for the late 1950-early 1960s MEC Green&Gold and Maroon&Gold striped schemes. Micro-Scale Decals used to have them in HO and O in limited quantities but are not at all available in S-Scale. Des Plaines hobbies has the later Pumpkin Orange scheme which I have but is not usable for the earlier Geep and Alco schemes. I finally decided to make a go of it. I downloaded some scale drawings of the units ( http://trainiax.net/mescaleloco-list.php?dtype=UT&scale18=1&scale36=1&scale55=1 ) scaled them up/down in Micro-soft Visio to match 1/64th scale (3/16" scale) and now I am going to attempt to make the line patterns similar to what Micro-scale did on their decal sheets. Making decals is new to me and is an experiment of course but I have high expectations. I am pretty proficient in Visio and what was hard say 5-8 yrs ago to do is now easier. I also downloaded a while ago from the web scale pictures of the Geeps with the Green/Gold paint scheme. Albeit they are a tad fuzzy when I scaled them up to S-Scale size they are good enough to overlay over the scale drawings to size the line patterns right. Using the Micro-Scale decal image that I have from several years ago I can now use that line pattern as a drawing to scale up to the right sizes and redraw using Visio over it and fill the patterns with the proper colors...I hope. That Orange color for striping on the MEC and B&M (called gold..why..?) is more orange/yellow. But either way, I will attempt to match the colors. Hopefully I am successful. Thanks for any tips and info in advance!! Best Regards Paul Krause

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73225	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: S-Scale Decal Question

Pat, Thanks for the input. If I am successful I will definitely let the group know. I have my RS11s already painted the MEC Green. The GP9s will have to substitute for GP7s since I will not modify them. They are all unpainted plastic shells from American Models. There was modifications out there to turn them into GP7s but I am do not have the time now to do that. My imagination will handle it. I had the RS11 painted by a Brass Painter I found on the web, 7th Street Shops out of Hamilton MT. He did a great job with my NYC Hudson and the base paint job on the RS11s looks great, but the person I paid to do the original artwork and decal creation sort of failed on it, I am now going to pursue this on my own out of necessity. Like anything in S, it takes time. I guess if you are a shake the box person in S our choices are extremely limited. So we have to be resourceful! When I was in HO, the MEC was not yet available (70s-80s), now that I am in S, HO scale has it all, well almost…but go figure! I am not going back to HO. S is the place to be. Best Regards Paul Krause From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Reardon's Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 6:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Scale Decal Question  Hi Paul, The "Harvest Gold" from Accu-Paint is a dead on for the MEC /B&M orange / yellow color you are looking for. I too am modeling Maine Central in "S" and proper decals have been a stumbling block, so please let me know how this experiment goes for you. Thanks, Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul A Krause <mailto:pakrause5@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 2:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Scale Decal Question S-Trains Group, I am going to attempt to make decals for my Maine Central S-Scale GP7-9s and RS11s. I was looking at this brand from: Decalpaper.com (white) Is there any other recommendations out there? The sheets are not cheap. I am using a Brother laser printer that has very fine resolution. The Geeps are American Models unpainted and the Alco RS11s are Overland brass models. The pattern will be for the late 1950-early 1960s MEC Green&Gold and Maroon&Gold striped schemes. Micro-Scale Decals used to have them in HO and O in limited quantities but are not at all available in S-Scale. Des Plaines hobbies has the later Pumpkin Orange scheme which I have but is not usable for the earlier Geep and Alco schemes. I finally decided to make a go of it. I downloaded some scale drawings of the units ( http://trainiax.net/mescaleloco-list.php?dtype=UT&scale18=1&scale36=1&scale55=1 ) scaled them up/down in Micro-soft Visio to match 1/64th scale (3/16" scale) and now I am going to attempt to make the line patterns similar to what Micro-scale did on their decal sheets. Making decals is new to me and is an experiment of course but I have high expectations. I am pretty proficient in Visio and what was hard say 5-8 yrs ago to do is now easier. I also downloaded a while ago from the web scale pictures of the Geeps with the Green/Gold paint scheme. Albeit they are a tad fuzzy when I scaled them up to S-Scale size they are good enough to overlay over the scale drawings to size the line patterns right. Using the Micro-Scale decal image that I have from several years ago I can now use that line pattern as a drawing to scale up to the right sizes and redraw using Visio over it and fill the patterns with the proper colors...I hope. That Orange color for striping on the MEC and B&M (called gold..why..?) is more orange/yellow. But either way, I will attempt to match the colors. Hopefully I am successful. Thanks for any tips and info in advance!! Best Regards Paul Krause [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73226	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

It does not bother me at all.  There is at least one other member who advertises trains for sale on a regular basis.  Neither bother me.  I enjoy seeing what they have for sale.  Though neither has advertised anything I am interested in yet, it is nice to know what is available.  Besides, I like anything that short circuits ebay, and paypal. All that being said, I see how this could be abused by a company who joins here just to sell products.  That is worse than those who inherit Uncle John's trains and join here just to find out what they are worth.  Then you never hear from them again.  Many probably used the information from here to sell Uncle John's trains and were never interested in collecting them or running them. Just my 2 cents worth since it was solicited. Wayne  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73227	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: S-Scale Decal Questions (thank you)

Thank you for the advice and input I received from all who responded on the forum.  It is valued information.   Best Regards   Paul Krause

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73228	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

To Dave at LBR. I have no problems with your postings. I like your products. Its a good resource. For me its always the more info the better. Regards Bob Moyer On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:   We will cease to inform everyone here about any new products for "S" we will have coming out in future if that is what everyone wants. But we will not stop just because a few want to dictate to the rest. We have dozens of new items & services for "S" coming out in the months ahead. The moderator of this group will let us know what is best. LBR On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:59 PM, Dennis Donovan <rosegirl88@...> wrote:   Point well taken! On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73229	From: traindavid	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to scale: WAS Visiting Delaware in Nov. and

Tom Hawley posted "Not necessarily. There is hope for everyone. People can advance in the hobby, refine their modelling, and develop an appreciation for realism. Compare the owner's manuals for the U33C and the SD70ACe. The former shows the locomotive on toy train track. The later has its locomotive on model railroad track with realistic ties. Just as natural a progression as going from 3- to 2-rail track." Sorry Tom, I disagree. While I prefer 2-rail track as being more realistic, just as I think AF TOY TRAINS are more realistic than their O gauge brethren, that is a matter of choice, just as staying with TOY TRAINS instead of SCALE MODELING is a choice--there is NOT a "natural progression" from toys to scale--that is what the Scale folks would like us to believe--that eventually we will "Grow UP" and become scale modelers! Sorry, I'm ingrained into PLAYING WITH TOY TRAINS--IT'S FUN!!! I may build my layout with scale-like details, but I will still 'play' with my trains--no train orders, consist cards, etc. for me! "Hey! Watch how far I cam make the mail bag fly--it has "fragile" packages in it! Heh Heh Heh!" Now mind you, I appreciate scale work, and admire what some can do with it, even to how they operate their miniature railroad, and I freely admit to admiring that effort! But to have them tell me the "I have not advanced yet" is just wrong. Hmm, guess in their eyes, I'm a Neanderthal--and proud of it! Funny, I just think their work is extremely clever and they are truly craftsmen at it--but I think the same thing of many Toy Train layouts, such as the ones I write about in the December issue of 'The Dispatch' (unabashed commercial there! Heh Heh heh). So, as I like to say, "Run 'em if ya got 'em!" no matter what "flavor" they are! S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73230	From: bowlsalot2	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

I agree with Bob Neil in Oregon On Oct 9, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...> wrote:   To Dave at LBR. I have no problems with your postings. I like your products. Its a good resource. For me its always the more info the better. Regards Bob Moyer On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:   We will cease to inform everyone here about any new products for "S" we will have coming out in future if that is what everyone wants. But we will not stop just because a few want to dictate to the rest. We have dozens of new items & services for "S" coming out in the months ahead. The moderator of this group will let us know what is best. LBR On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:59 PM, Dennis Donovan <rosegirl88@...> wrote:   Point well taken! On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73231	From: Bob South	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

Dave at LBR, As long as you label your posting as an "advertisement", which you have been doing, I encourage you to continue and for the group to accept it. Look for the word "advertisement" in the subject line and just ignore the post if you are not interested.  Bob South From: romoyer1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:12:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)   To Dave at LBR. I have no problems with your postings. I like your products. Its a good resource. For me its always the more info the better. Regards Bob Moyer On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:   We will cease to inform everyone here about any new products for "S" we will have coming out in future if that is what everyone wants. But we will not stop just because a few want to dictate to the rest. We have dozens of new items & services for "S" coming out in the months ahead. The moderator of this group will let us know what is best. LBR On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:59 PM, Dennis Donovan <rosegirl88@...> wrote:   Point well taken! On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73232	From: snstrains	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

IMHO if you don't want to see LBR ads, just hit the delete button. He has brought lots of new neat stuff to this forum and it is his livelihood after all. He does specialize in "S" products and this is an "S" forum so..........   Steve Blackburn Boise   In a message dated 10/9/2013 10:14:09 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, romoyer1@... writes:   To Dave at LBR. I have no problems with your postings. I like your products. Its a good resource. For me its always the more info the better. Regards Bob Moyer On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:   We will cease to inform everyone here about any new products for "S" we will have coming out in future if that is what everyone wants. But we will not stop just because a few want to dictate to the rest. We have dozens of new items & services for "S" coming out in the months ahead. The moderator of this group will let us know what is best. LBR On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:59 PM, Dennis Donovan <rosegirl88@...> wrote:   Point well taken! On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73233	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

Works for me….   Best Regards   Paul Krause Subject: RE: [S-Trains] SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)     Dave at LBR,   As long as you label your posting as an "advertisement", which you have been doing, I encourage you to continue and for the group to accept it. Look for the word "advertisement" in the subject line and just ignore the post if you are not interested.    Bob South   ._,___

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73234	From: Carey Probst	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

I agree with Wayne.  I don't see a problem except from possibly the same old grumps who chased Mike Marmer off the list. The subject Dave uses always says (Advertisement) and can easily be deleted if you don't care. I personally have benefited from the ads and bought things cheaper than otherwise. My vote is to keep them and let people use the delete button. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 10/9/2013 9:31 AM, beachy3929@... wrote:   It does not bother me at all.  There is at least one other member who advertises trains for sale on a regular basis.  Neither bother me.  I enjoy seeing what they have for sale.  Though neither has advertised anything I am interested in yet, it is nice to know what is available.  Besides, I like anything that short circuits ebay, and paypal. All that being said, I see how this could be abused by a company who joins here just to sell products.  That is worse than those who inherit Uncle John's trains and join here just to find out what they are worth.  Then you never hear from them again.  Many probably used the information from here to sell Uncle John's trains and were never interested in collecting them or running them. Just my 2 cents worth since it was solicited. Wayne  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73235	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to scale: WAS Visiting Delaware in Nov. and

Tom I  feel that in some ones, brilliant and admirable though the scale stuff may be, to me its just going a little bit overboard in the hobby of playing with toy trains. I don't see it as a progression. The lay public always sees scale modellers, as well as collectors and toy operators, as men (or women) "playing with toy trains". Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 08:32:32 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Natural progression to scale: WAS Visiting Delaware in Nov. and Dec.   Tom Hawley posted "Not necessarily. There is hope for everyone. People can advance in the hobby, refine their modelling, and develop an appreciation for realism. Compare the owner's manuals for the U33C and the SD70ACe. The former shows the locomotive on toy train track. The later has its locomotive on model railroad track with realistic ties. Just as natural a progression as going from 3- to 2-rail track." Sorry Tom, I disagree. While I prefer 2-rail track as being more realistic, just as I think AF TOY TRAINS are more realistic than their O gauge brethren, that is a matter of choice, just as staying with TOY TRAINS instead of SCALE MODELING is a choice--there is NOT a "natural progression" from toys to scale--that is what the Scale folks would like us to believe--that eventually we will "Grow UP" and become scale modelers! Sorry, I'm ingrained into PLAYING WITH TOY TRAINS--IT'S FUN!!! I may build my layout with scale-like details, but I will still 'play' with my trains--no train orders, consist cards, etc. for me! "Hey! Watch how far I cam make the mail bag fly--it has "fragile" packages in it! Heh Heh Heh!" Now mind you, I appreciate scale work, and admire what some can do with it, even to how they operate their miniature railroad, and I freely admit to admiring that effort! But to have them tell me the "I have not advanced yet" is just wrong. Hmm, guess in their eyes, I'm a Neanderthal--and proud of it! Funny, I just think their work is extremely clever and they are truly craftsmen at it--but I think the same thing of many Toy Train layouts, such as the ones I write about in the December issue of 'The Dispatch' (unabashed commercial there! Heh Heh heh). So, as I like to say, "Run 'em if ya got 'em!" no matter what "flavor" they are! S'incerely, David Dewey     __._,____ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Members 1 New Photos 7 Visit Your Group Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73236	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: . . . . . (Advertisement)

 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave at LBR Enterprises We will cease to inform everyone here about any new products for "S" we will have coming out in future if that is what everyone wants. . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure it's not what everyone wants.  While most of the advertised products did not appeal to me personally, I was glad to see American Flyer people getting stuff to upgrade their trains.    If LBR gets silenced, there is still the Available S Yahoo group, which I'm a member of.   Another method of relief for those not wanting to know what LBR is up to is for them (the objectors) to use the feature in thier e-mail program that allows them to block specific senders.  I've already done that with one person who has to get his anti-government sentiments into almost every posting.   Tom Hawley  --  Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73237	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

I dont mind at all if you share new products online thats what its all about, saves me time to constantly check your site, I hope and you have my vote to keep showing new products, you dont do it often enough to be a bother and it S Scale which is great since most are quiting  the scale Tks VM James Davidson From: "bowlsalot2@..." <bowlsalot2@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)   I agree with Bob Neil in Oregon On Oct 9, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...> wrote:   To Dave at LBR. I have no problems with your postings. I like your products. Its a good resource. For me its always the more info the better. Regards Bob Moyer On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:   We will cease to inform everyone here about any new products for "S" we will have coming out in future if that is what everyone wants. But we will not stop just because a few want to dictate to the rest. We have dozens of new items & services for "S" coming out in the months ahead. The moderator of this group will let us know what is best. LBR On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:59 PM, Dennis Donovan <rosegirl88@...> wrote:   Point well taken! On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73238	From: alan smith	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

I second the motion  -- Live and let live. The Delete Key is easy to use.  As the saying goes - "If you don't like the program change the channel " .  Any discussion, ideas, upgrades or tips in regard to our hobby is a good thing.  Keeping our trains going and creating more interest is an even better thing.   Think about it; in 70/80 years how many toys that are made today will still be around . Maybe 1% max.   Anyway, 10% to ebay and the rest of the blood suckers should be in everyones' interest.  To say enough is enough .    To put things in perspective:  Go out and look up into the night sky.    Ponder -----  HUM ---  dang we are but a speck in the vastness of what you can see. Enjoy your time on Earth for it travels very fast.  So, wrap your arms around your pleasures for it can be gone in a flash.  Three cheers for S gauge and all that love the hobby. Old Ohio guy Alan On Oct 9, 2013, at 9:31 AM, <beachy3929@...> <beachy3929@...> wrote:   It does not bother me at all.  There is at least one other member who advertises trains for sale on a regular basis.  Neither bother me.  I enjoy seeing what they have for sale.  Though neither has advertised anything I am interested in yet, it is nice to know what is available.  Besides, I like anything that short circuits ebay, and paypal. All that being said, I see how this could be abused by a company who joins here just to sell products.  That is worse than those who inherit Uncle John's trains and join here just to find out what they are worth.  Then you never hear from them again.  Many probably used the information from here to sell Uncle John's trains and were never interested in collecting them or running them. Just my 2 cents worth since it was solicited. Wayne  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73239	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

From: Alan Lambert I agree with you. Anyone can hit the delete button. This beats having to go to his website to see it when it is already gone. This way he is giving us  a few days warning on what he has on sale with a beginning and ending date.         Alan Lambert   On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:34 PM, "boss31@..." <boss31@...> wrote:   IMHO if you don't want to see LBR ads, just hit the delete button. He has brought lots of new neat stuff to this forum and it is his livelihood after all. He does specialize in "S" products and this is an "S" forum so..........   Steve Blackburn Boise   In a message dated 10/9/2013 10:14:09 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, romoyer1@... writes:   To Dave at LBR. I have no problems with your postings. I like your products. Its a good resource. For me its always the more info the better. Regards Bob Moyer On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote:   We will cease to inform everyone here about any new products for "S" we will have coming out in future if that is what everyone wants. But we will not stop just because a few want to dictate to the rest. We have dozens of new items & services for "S" coming out in the months ahead. The moderator of this group will let us know what is best. LBR On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 8:59 PM, Dennis Donovan <rosegirl88@...> wrote:   Point well taken! On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Dale Smith wrote:   I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73240	From: The Reardon's	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

 In the "for what it's worth" catagory, I too, am interested in the continued information about new products.  When my time is limited, I just move the "S-Trains, advertisements" to a separate folder and read later.  I say keep the new products and information coming. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Carey Probst To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)   I agree with Wayne.  I don't see a problem except from possibly the same old grumps who chased Mike Marmer off the list. The subject Dave uses always says (Advertisement) and can easily be deleted if you don't care. I personally have benefited from the ads and bought things cheaper than otherwise. My vote is to keep them and let people use the delete button. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 10/9/2013 9:31 AM, beachy3929@... wrote:   It does not bother me at all.  There is at least one other member who advertises trains for sale on a regular basis.  Neither bother me.  I enjoy seeing what they have for sale.  Though neither has advertised anything I am interested in yet, it is nice to know what is available.  Besides, I like anything that short circuits ebay, and paypal. All that being said, I see how this could be abused by a company who joins here just to sell products.  That is worse than those who inherit Uncle John's trains and join here just to find out what they are worth.  Then you never hear from them again.  Many probably used the information from here to sell Uncle John's trains and were never interested in collecting them or running them. Just my 2 cents worth since it was solicited. Wayne  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73241	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to scale: WAS Visiting Delaware in Nov. and

David,   I could not agree more. Although I admire scalers and their skills and results, I prefer RTR and hi-rail and just plain fun. That is why the Atlantic Coast S Gauge layouts have become so popular. Instead of having standoffs and members with their backs to the audience running, our layout is interactive with numerous buttons to push. When we became interactive, we were always being voted as the best in show by the show attendees. The scalers (of many gauges), who had always won in the past complained to the show management and the contest was eliminated and replaced by a flat fee for layouts.   We want to promote railroading and get more people involved. That does not start at the scale end. Some "toy train" operators have gone into scale, but it is not necessarily a better change for everyone.   If you have trains, run 'em---and have fun!!!   Joe ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Tom Hawley posted "Not necessarily. There is hope for everyone. People can advance in the hobby, refine their modelling, and develop an appreciation for realism. Compare the owner's manuals for the U33C and the SD70ACe. The former shows the locomotive on toy train track. The later has its locomotive on model railroad track with realistic ties. Just as natural a progression as going from 3- to 2-rail track." Sorry Tom, I disagree. While I prefer 2-rail track as being more realistic, just as I think AF TOY TRAINS are more realistic than their O gauge brethren, that is a matter of choice, just as staying with TOY TRAINS instead of SCALE MODELING is a choice--there is NOT a "natural progression" from toys to scale--that is what the Scale folks would like us to believe--that eventually we will "Grow UP" and become scale modelers! Sorry, I'm ingrained into PLAYING WITH TOY TRAINS--IT'S FUN!!! I may build my layout with scale-like details, but I will still 'play' with my trains--no train orders, consist cards, etc. for me! "Hey! Watch how far I cam make the mail bag fly--it has "fragile" packages in it! Heh Heh Heh!" Now mind you, I appreciate scale work, and admire what some can do with it, even to how they operate their miniature railroad, and I freely admit to admiring that effort! But to have them tell me the "I have not advanced yet" is just wrong. Hmm, guess in their eyes, I'm a Neanderthal--and proud of it! Funny, I just think their work is extremely clever and they are truly craftsmen at it--but I think the same thing of many Toy Train layouts, such as the ones I write about in the December issue of 'The Dispatch' (unabashed commercial there! Heh Heh heh). So, as I like to say, "Run 'em if ya got 'em!" no matter what "flavor" they are! S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73242	From: David Highfield	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

I like to read about new S products being developed and recommendations from others who have purchased S gauge products, but don't believe the purpose of this S Trains site is buying and selling. Dave Highfield Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73243	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to scale: WAS Visiting Delaware in Nov. and

From: Alan Lambert            Fort Worth, Texas Joe, I agree with you. Down here in Fort Worth we have one show coming up. My club " Lone Star Flyer"  a high rail club, along with  "Trinity S Scale" with their Scale layout.  We do the Plano, Texas show also. Note, we are the only  "S" clubs that set up for these 2 shows and the "S" venders are  down to 2 local guys . the other regular "S" vender had to stop coming because of his health. When we had the Worlds Greatest Hobby Show in town we did have a vender that was from  Kentucky visiting family and brought some of his stuff to that show. I bought something from him that I will mot see at our local shows. Now back to running my trains.         Alan Lambert   On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 7:27 PM, "joestrainrepair@..." <joestrainrepair@...> wrote:   David,   I could not agree more. Although I admire scalers and their skills and results, I prefer RTR and hi-rail and just plain fun. That is why the Atlantic Coast S Gauge layouts have become so popular. Instead of having standoffs and members with their backs to the audience running, our layout is interactive with numerous buttons to push. When we became interactive, we were always being voted as the best in show by the show attendees. The scalers (of many gauges), who had always won in the past complained to the show management and the contest was eliminated and replaced by a flat fee for layouts.   We want to promote railroading and get more people involved. That does not start at the scale end. Some "toy train" operators have gone into scale, but it is not necessarily a better change for everyone.   If you have trains, run 'em---and have fun!!!   Joe ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Tom Hawley posted "Not necessarily. There is hope for everyone. People can advance in the hobby, refine their modelling, and develop an appreciation for realism. Compare the owner's manuals for the U33C and the SD70ACe. The former shows the locomotive on toy train track. The later has its locomotive on model railroad track with realistic ties. Just as natural a progression as going from 3- to 2-rail track." Sorry Tom, I disagree. While I prefer 2-rail track as being more realistic, just as I think AF TOY TRAINS are more realistic than their O gauge brethren, that is a matter of choice, just as staying with TOY TRAINS instead of SCALE MODELING is a choice--there is NOT a "natural progression" from toys to scale--that is what the Scale folks would like us to believe--that eventually we will "Grow UP" and become scale modelers! Sorry, I'm ingrained into PLAYING WITH TOY TRAINS--IT'S FUN!!! I may build my layout with scale-like details, but I will still 'play' with my trains--no train orders, consist cards, etc. for me! "Hey! Watch how far I cam make the mail bag fly--it has "fragile" packages in it! Heh Heh Heh!" Now mind you, I appreciate scale work, and admire what some can do with it, even to how they operate their miniature railroad, and I freely admit to admiring that effort! But to have them tell me the "I have not advanced yet" is just wrong. Hmm, guess in their eyes, I'm a Neanderthal--and proud of it! Funny, I just think their work is extremely clever and they are truly craftsmen at it--but I think the same thing of many Toy Train layouts, such as the ones I write about in the December issue of 'The Dispatch' (unabashed commercial there! Heh Heh heh). So, as I like to say, "Run 'em if ya got 'em!" no matter what "flavor" they are! S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73244	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to Scale

Gee, I must REALLY be confused!  I don't consider myself a Toy train guy, a Scale operator, or a Collector!  I'm a Hi-railer, that Neverland between Toy and Model trains!   In my case, I CAME from Scale trains in N and HO and progressed to having fun.  I try not to take myself too seriously, I just scratch build stuff or rebuild junk into what I want it to look like and then play with my trains.    A lot of people have told me that I'm doing this train thing all wrong, so I guess that makes me either an idiot or a genius.  Either way, I'M having a pretty good time with this. :-)   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73245	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to Scale

From: Alan Lambert            Fort Worth, Texas Stumpy, Continue what you are doing. I am high rail and love what you do. gives me something to look at. I have a water tower that I am putting together that would fit into the scale side of things along with 2 buildings that are far from being toy like for a high rail layout. Like you I'm doing what I want to and I like it. When I do get my layout done it will go both ways, scale or high rail, but more toward high rail. My 2 local train show veders are mostly high rail so what I have goes that way.  I can make what I have look like scale with a little "kit bashing".            Alan Lambert   On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:48 PM, "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> wrote:   Gee, I must REALLY be confused!  I don't consider myself a Toy train guy, a Scale operator, or a Collector!  I'm a Hi-railer, that Neverland between Toy and Model trains!   In my case, I CAME from Scale trains in N and HO and progressed to having fun.  I try not to take myself too seriously, I just scratch build stuff or rebuild junk into what I want it to look like and then play with my trains.    A lot of people have told me that I'm doing this train thing all wrong, so I guess that makes me either an idiot or a genius.  Either way, I'M having a pretty good time with this. :-)   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73246	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to Scale

You mean you think a lot of people are telling you you do things wrong.  But let me reiterate to the public there is no difference between people playing with model trains or toy trains. They are all toy trains to them - and they are right. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 09 Oct 2013 18:11:55 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Natural progression to Scale   Gee, I must REALLY be confused!  I don't consider myself a Toy train guy, a Scale operator, or a Collector!  I'm a Hi-railer, that Neverland between Toy and Model trains!   In my case, I CAME from Scale trains in N and HO and progressed to having fun.  I try not to take myself too seriously, I just scratch build stuff or rebuild junk into what I want it to look like and then play with my trains.    A lot of people have told me that I'm doing this train thing all wrong, so I guess that makes me either an idiot or a genius.  Either way, I'M having a pretty good time with this. :-)   Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73247	From: Dennis Donovan	Date: 10/9/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

You make a lot of sense. On Oct 9, 2013, at 8:48 PM, David Highfield wrote:   I like to read about new S products being developed and recommendations from others who have purchased S gauge products, but don't believe the purpose of this S Trains site is buying and selling. Dave Highfield Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73248	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/10/2013
Subject: SUPER CUSTOM Caboose Is Here (Advertisement)

The first of our SUPER CUSTOM UP GRADED AF CABOOSES is here To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73249	From: racin510	Date: 10/10/2013
Subject: Re: Natural progression to Scale

Mr. Stumpy, I am dead sure Mr. AC Gilbert would fully appreciate your bent. If anyone ever had it totally right it was he of the very close to scale, but totally fun to OPERATE philosophy......we who follow in his foot steps have no worries! ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Gee, I must REALLY be confused!  I don't consider myself a Toy train guy, a Scale operator, or a Collector!  I'm a Hi-railer, that Neverland between Toy and Model trains!   In my case, I CAME from Scale trains in N and HO and progressed to having fun.  I try not to take myself too seriously, I just scratch build stuff or rebuild junk into what I want it to look like and then play with my trains.    A lot of people have told me that I'm doing this train thing all wrong, so I guess that makes me either an idiot or a genius.  Either way, I'M having a pretty good time with this. :-)   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73250	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/10/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Friday October 11, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73251	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

I have no problem with adv.  We are so few, relatively speaking I feel the ads may help us expand our horizons Jim " news coming from the Keystone Main " Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2013, at 8:09 PM, "The Reardon's" <preardon@...> wrote:  In the "for what it's worth" catagory, I too, am interested in the continued information about new products.  When my time is limited, I just move the "S-Trains, advertisements" to a separate folder and read later.  I say keep the new products and information coming. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Carey Probst To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)   I agree with Wayne.  I don't see a problem except from possibly the same old grumps who chased Mike Marmer off the list. The subject Dave uses always says (Advertisement) and can easily be deleted if you don't care. I personally have benefited from the ads and bought things cheaper than otherwise. My vote is to keep them and let people use the delete button. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 10/9/2013 9:31 AM, beachy3929@... wrote:   It does not bother me at all.  There is at least one other member who advertises trains for sale on a regular basis.  Neither bother me.  I enjoy seeing what they have for sale.  Though neither has advertised anything I am interested in yet, it is nice to know what is available.  Besides, I like anything that short circuits ebay, and paypal. All that being said, I see how this could be abused by a company who joins here just to sell products.  That is worse than those who inherit Uncle John's trains and join here just to find out what they are worth.  Then you never hear from them again.  Many probably used the information from here to sell Uncle John's trains and were never interested in collecting them or running them. Just my 2 cents worth since it was solicited. Wayne  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73252	From: richs009	Date: 10/10/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

I agree with several of the replies - I have no problem with LBR - or others, as they have done from time to time - letting us know about new products or whether replacement parts are available (as Doug Peck and Tom Seccia do, as well as the SnS folks).  The LBR folks are careful to put "(advertisement) in the subject line, which certainly lets anyone delete or ignore the post without opening it. So play on... - Rich ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have no problem with adv.  We are so few, relatively speaking I feel the ads may help us expand our horizons Jim " news coming from the Keystone Main " Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2013, at 8:09 PM, "The Reardon's" <preardon@...> wrote:  In the "for what it's worth" catagory, I too, am interested in the continued information about new products.  When my time is limited, I just move the "S-Trains, advertisements" to a separate folder and read later.  I say keep the new products and information coming. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Carey Probst To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)   I agree with Wayne.  I don't see a problem except from possibly the same old grumps who chased Mike Marmer off the list. The subject Dave uses always says (Advertisement) and can easily be deleted if you don't care. I personally have benefited from the ads and bought things cheaper than otherwise. My vote is to keep them and let people use the delete button. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 10/9/2013 9:31 AM, beachy3929@... wrote:   It does not bother me at all.  There is at least one other member who advertises trains for sale on a regular basis.  Neither bother me.  I enjoy seeing what they have for sale.  Though neither has advertised anything I am interested in yet, it is nice to know what is available.  Besides, I like anything that short circuits ebay, and paypal. All that being said, I see how this could be abused by a company who joins here just to sell products.  That is worse than those who inherit Uncle John's trains and join here just to find out what they are worth.  Then you never hear from them again.  Many probably used the information from here to sell Uncle John's trains and were never interested in collecting them or running them. Just my 2 cents worth since it was solicited. Wayne  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73253	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/11/2013
Subject: Humor on STUMPY'S MACHINE

After last week's scathing commentary of Yahoo, I felt that it might be good to do a little humor on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com .   There is such a thing as the bravado of youth which leads one to do stupid things, and this week I tell the story of how I got started driving Stock Cars at the local speedway.  Have a chuckle on me.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73254	From: rhicks308	Date: 10/11/2013
Subject: Re: SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)

Agreed.  Ads are fine as long as the subject line gives a good indication of what it's about. ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I agree with several of the replies - I have no problem with LBR - or others, as they have done from time to time - letting us know about new products or whether replacement parts are available (as Doug Peck and Tom Seccia do, as well as the SnS folks).  The LBR folks are careful to put "(advertisement) in the subject line, which certainly lets anyone delete or ignore the post without opening it. So play on... - Rich ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have no problem with adv.  We are so few, relatively speaking I feel the ads may help us expand our horizons Jim " news coming from the Keystone Main " Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2013, at 8:09 PM, "The Reardon's" <preardon@...> wrote:  In the "for what it's worth" catagory, I too, am interested in the continued information about new products.  When my time is limited, I just move the "S-Trains, advertisements" to a separate folder and read later.  I say keep the new products and information coming. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Carey Probst To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SUPER CUSTOM AF CABOOSES (Advertisement)   I agree with Wayne.  I don't see a problem except from possibly the same old grumps who chased Mike Marmer off the list. The subject Dave uses always says (Advertisement) and can easily be deleted if you don't care. I personally have benefited from the ads and bought things cheaper than otherwise. My vote is to keep them and let people use the delete button. Carey Carey Probst Pennsyltucky RR Chief Microferroequineologist On 10/9/2013 9:31 AM, beachy3929@... wrote:   It does not bother me at all.  There is at least one other member who advertises trains for sale on a regular basis.  Neither bother me.  I enjoy seeing what they have for sale.  Though neither has advertised anything I am interested in yet, it is nice to know what is available.  Besides, I like anything that short circuits ebay, and paypal. All that being said, I see how this could be abused by a company who joins here just to sell products.  That is worse than those who inherit Uncle John's trains and join here just to find out what they are worth.  Then you never hear from them again.  Many probably used the information from here to sell Uncle John's trains and were never interested in collecting them or running them. Just my 2 cents worth since it was solicited. Wayne  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't know about the rest of you, but I am really getting tired of the aggressive advertising by LBR.  If someone inquires about a part, Doug Peck and Tom Seccia will let you know that they have it or not, which is fine, but this aggressive advertising is very annoying.   Now we have become his auction site.   Why not take it to Available S-gauge, where it might be more appropriate, but I don't know if they allow commerical advertising. Dale On 10/8/2013 6:20 AM, reujan2000@... wrote:   Arriving at your "BID-SALES" 10-10-2013 LBR up graded AF cabooses at   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page10.html   Featuring: LBR all wheel contact power trucks, LBR LED interior lighting, LBR red & Green combo. markers & operating knuckle couplers.   Each caboose LBR SRP is $124.50 ea.. Starting bid will be $55.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73255	From: portlines	Date: 10/11/2013
Subject: NASG 2013 AM FLYER CAR

Just spreading the word that the PP&L hopper Am Flyer car is SOLD OUT, as of today. Any further orders and checks I receive will have to be returned. Thanks for your support.....hope you didn't procrastinate too long !  Car delivery is expected sometime next month.   Doug Peck NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73256	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/12/2013
Subject: For Sale: Remaining Lionel Flyer & AM rolling stock discounted

The guy is getting antsy to sell the remaining unsold items. For informational purposes, I show both 2013 Greenberg and 2012 TM Guide prices. Make offer, even if it's 20% or 30% below book, bearing in mind that if you go too low someone else might go higher. I don't have any of these items in hand yet. When I get them, I'll verify that they are indeed in mint condition before I sell them to you. In the first two batches, only three cars had been run - the vast majority were indeed mint. (Message over 64 KB, truncated) Mfg Model Short Description Notes Condition GB TM AF 9000 B&O Flat Car with Vans C-9/C-10 $44.00 $40.00 AF 9004 Southern Railway Flatcar w/Vans C-9/C-10 $42.00 $40.00 AF 9005 New York Central Flatcar w/Vans C-9/C-10 $33.00 $30.00 AF 9106 New York Central 3 Dome Tank Car C-9/C-10 $26.00 $26.00 AF 9209 New York Central Hopper C-9/C-10 $29.00 $30.00 AF 9300 Burlington Northern Gondola C-9/C-10 $25.00 $20.00 AF 9304 New York Central Gondola w/cannisters C-9/C-10 $25.00 $20.00 AF 9400 Chessie System Caboose box missing plastic/some add'l box tears C-9/C-10 $28.00 $30.00 AF 9404 NewYorkCentral BayWindow Caboose C-9/C-10 $34.00 $35.00 AF 9504 Erie Combo Car box has tear on front C-9/C-10 $55.00 $50.00 AF 9505 Erie Coach Car-Chasis only Shell is missing C-9/C-10 AF 9506 Erie Vista Dome Car C-9/C-10 $72.00 $70.00 AF 9507 Erie Observation Car C-9/C-10 $55.00 $50.00 AF 9702 B&O Boxcar small tears on box C-9/C-10 $52.00 $40.00 AF 9709 B&O Boxcar C-9/C-10 $32.00 $30.00 AF 9711 Southern Pacific Boxcar C-9/C-10 $31.00 $30.00 AF 9712 Illinois Central Gulf Boxcar C-9/C-10 $34.00 $35.00 AF 9713 New York Central Box Car C-9/C-10 $35.00 $38.00 AF 48056 NY Central Dockside Switcher C-9/C-10 $96.00 $85.00 AF 48119 Union Pacific PB 1 Non Powered engine with rail sounds C-9/C-10 $165.00 $130.00 AF 48203 New York central Reefer 1997 TTOS C-9/C-10 $60.00 $65.00 AF 48203 New York central Reefer 1997 TTOS C-9/C-10 $60.00 $65.00 AF 48205 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer 1997 NASG C-9/C-10 $52.00 $55.00 AF 48205 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer #1697 Box missing label believed to be 1997 NASG 6-48205 C-9/C-10 $52.00 $55.00 AF 48211 Magnolia Tank Car 1998 NASG C-9/C-10 $58.00 $60.00 AF 48211 Magnolia Tank Car 1998 NASG C-9/C-10 $58.00 $60.00 AF 48212 S & P Tank Car 1999 TTOS National Convetion C-9/C-10 $70.00 $75.00 AF 48214 Great Northern RR Caboose NASG '99 C-9/C-10 $55.00 $37.00 AF 48214 Great Northern RR Caboose NASG '99 C-9/C-10 $55.00 $37.00 AF 48217 Southern Pacific Gondola TTOS 2000 C-9/C-10 $110.00 $100.00 AF 48218 Southern Pacific Crane TTOS 2000 C-9/C-10 $110.00 $100.00 AF 48272 Flatcar w/BeechCraft Airplane TTOS 2008 Sacramento Meet C-9/C-10 $86.00 $90.00 AF 48306 Seaboard Coast Line Boxcar C-9/C-10 $36.00 $33.00 AF 48406 Celanese Chemicals Tank Car C-9/C-10 $46.00 $45.00 AF 48436 48476 NY Central Reefer 1991 NASG Commemorative C-9/C-10 $70.00 $72.00 AF 48475 Boraxo Covered Hopper 1991 NASG Commemorative Car C-9/C-10 $70.00 $72.00 AF 48478 Burlington Route Box Car 1992 NASG Commemorative C-9/C-10 $93.00 $85.00 AF 48479 NKP Nickel Plate Road Flatcar 1992 NASG Convention Car with tractor/trailer C-9/C-10 $127.00 $120.00 AF 48479 NKP Nickel Plate Road Flatcar 1992 NASG Convention Car with tractor/trailer C-9/C-10 $127.00 $120.00 AF 48480 Susquehanna Susie Q BoxCar 1993 NASG Commemorative C-9/C-10 $91.00 $85.00 AF 48482 Great Northern Box Car 1993 TCA Convention Car C-9/C-10 $92.00 $85.00 AF 48483 AF Boy's Rail Road Club BoxCar C-9/C-10 $65.00 $60.00 AF 48484 American Flyer "Crossing Gate" BoxCar C-9/C-10 $80.00 $60.00 AF 48485 Northern Pacific Box Car 1994 NASG Commemorative C-9/C-10 $72.00 $70.00 AF 48486 NY New Haven & Hartford Box Car 1994 NASG Commemorative C-9/C-10 $51.00 $55.00 AF 48490 Western Pacific Box Car 1995 TTOS C-9/C-10 $70.00 $80.00 AF 48491 Burlington Northern Flatcar & Vans TCA [no year on box] C-9/C-10 $100.00 $85.00 AF 48492 Northern Pacific Box Car TCA [no year on box] C-9/C-10 $74.00 $100.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73257	From: sjbiat	Date: 10/12/2013
Subject: Technical Quesitons

Hithere,   I have been lurking on the site for several years.  But now that I finally set up my AF trains for my grandchild, I find that I have several technical questions with which I hope y’all can help me.   This track had not  been used for several years.  I cleaned it with a light sanding.  But I can see it is still very oxidized.  Is chemical cleaning of the track important, and what is the best way to do it?   The American Models locomotive I bought a few years ago ran great for about an hour.  Then it hardly ran at all.  It seems to not connect to the track – even the headlight is mostly off.  Meanwhile, my 50-year old AF locomotive runs with no problem.  It looks to me like the wheels of the AM locomotive are now covered with some black goo.  Is that indeed likely?  What is the best way to clean them? Thanks in advance for the help.   Stephan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73258	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/12/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/13/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 13, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73259	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Re: Technical Quesitons

What engine do you have it will say the number on the cab, is it plastic are metal?  I use different methods depending on what I am cleaning and the type of engine, portlines sales have some pointers to watch, on my track i used a drimel with wire brush lightly cleaning the sides and top of the track then I used contact cleaner on the inside of each track end, if you dont have one look up the manual you can find them online are one of the guys here can send you a printable copy.  Its allot of fun to clean up the engines I made several mistakes before getting it down to what I like to do so ask questions but we need more information about what you have. From: "sjbiat@..." <sjbiat@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Technical Quesitons   Hithere,   I have been lurking on the site for several years.  But now that I finally set up my AF trains for my grandchild, I find that I have several technical questions with which I hope y’all can help me.   This track had not  been used for several years.  I cleaned it with a light sanding.  But I can see it is still very oxidized.  Is chemical cleaning of the track important, and what is the best way to do it?   The American Models locomotive I bought a few years ago ran great for about an hour.  Then it hardly ran at all.  It seems to not connect to the track – even the headlight is mostly off.  Meanwhile, my 50-year old AF locomotive runs with no problem.  It looks to me like the wheels of the AM locomotive are now covered with some black goo.  Is that indeed likely?  What is the best way to clean them? Thanks in advance for the help.   Stephan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73260	From: sjbiat	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Re: Technical Quesitons

My AF locomotive is 314AW.  Its metal.  The AM locomotive is S1212 (Baldlwin Switcher).  I noticed the box marked A.C. hi-rail is checked.  Did you refer to instructions for how to clean the wheels AM engine?  That's not so obvious because the wheels don't turn..  Also, can you give me the link to portline sales? Thanks so much, Stephan  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: What engine do you have it will say the number on the cab, is it plastic are metal?  I use different methods depending on what I am cleaning and the type of engine, portlines sales have some pointers to watch, on my track i used a drimel with wire brush lightly cleaning the sides and top of the track then I used contact cleaner on the inside of each track end, if you dont have one look up the manual you can find them online are one of the guys here can send you a printable copy.  Its allot of fun to clean up the engines I made several mistakes before getting it down to what I like to do so ask questions but we need more information about what you have. From: "sjbiat@..." <sjbiat@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Technical Quesitons   Hithere,   I have been lurking on the site for several years.  But now that I finally set up my AF trains for my grandchild, I find that I have several technical questions with which I hope y’all can help me.   This track had not  been used for several years.  I cleaned it with a light sanding.  But I can see it is still very oxidized.  Is chemical cleaning of the track important, and what is the best way to do it?   The American Models locomotive I bought a few years ago ran great for about an hour.  Then it hardly ran at all.  It seems to not connect to the track – even the headlight is mostly off.  Meanwhile, my 50-year old AF locomotive runs with no problem.  It looks to me like the wheels of the AM locomotive are now covered with some black goo.  Is that indeed likely?  What is the best way to clean them? Thanks in advance for the help.   Stephan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73261	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/13/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 13, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73262	From: bstilesaf	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: #755 talking station-bought for $15!

I bought a nice looking #755 talking station with original button for $15 at the local hobby shop. Problem: it is missing its roof! All else is there, and excepting that the warped record binds the motor (works fine with a good, flat record), all is there and in working order. Have plans to make a metal roof for this station to finish it off unless someone on the list has a spare for sale. Thanks!  Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73263	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Looking for VHS Tape About York Train Shows

A few years ago I heard about a VHS tape titled "The York Experience".  I lost my notes about it, including who made it.  The TCA Museum Library has a copy, but no way for it to be viewed.  Do any of you folks have a copy or know where I might find one?  Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73264	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Re: #755 talking station-bought for $15!

Please contact me off line.   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: lbstiles@... Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 12:40:50 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] #755 talking station-bought for $15!   I bought a nice looking #755 talking station with original button for $15 at the local hobby shop. Problem: it is missing its roof! All else is there, and excepting that the warped record binds the motor (works fine with a good, flat record), all is there and in working order. Have plans to make a metal roof for this station to finish it off unless someone on the list has a spare for sale. Thanks!  Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73265	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Monday October 14, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73267	From: rudypenne	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Re: #755 talking station-bought for $15!

Try E-Bay search: A.C. GILBERT, AMERICAN FLYER, #755 STATION, 1948 - 1950   In a message dated 10/13/2013 5:16:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, poniaj@... writes:   Ben, Sounds like a good buy!  Do you have the tower and the accompanying roof?  There is an "awning" that goes over the entrance too.  The roof of the station is simple sheet metal.  I made one a few years back and used a stock Rustoeum color that matched the original green almost perfectly.  The roof vents aren't easy to find, but you can still make the replacement without them, and it will look OK.  Jerry Bashing and restoring in Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73268	From: mike gardner	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Re: Technical Quesitons

I have used a fiber pot scrubber to clean the top and upper sides of old track to clean them. I polish the connector/terminal ends until they turn lighter. then check and tighten the track ends to make a tight fit with needle-nose pliers. However I like the idea of  contact cleaner on into the open ended track and will try this. The pot scrubber will not leave scratches in the track like sandpaper. Joe Haenn reminded me about the scrubbers recently.    Mike Gsrdner On Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:45 PM, "sjbiat@..." <sjbiat@...> wrote:   My AF locomotive is 314AW.  Its metal.  The AM locomotive is S1212 (Baldlwin Switcher).  I noticed the box marked A.C. hi-rail is checked.  Did you refer to instructions for how to clean the wheels AM engine?  That's not so obvious because the wheels don't turn..  Also, can you give me the link to portline sales? Thanks so much, Stephan  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: What engine do you have it will say the number on the cab, is it plastic are metal?  I use different methods depending on what I am cleaning and the type of engine, portlines sales have some pointers to watch, on my track i used a drimel with wire brush lightly cleaning the sides and top of the track then I used contact cleaner on the inside of each track end, if you dont have one look up the manual you can find them online are one of the guys here can send you a printable copy.  Its allot of fun to clean up the engines I made several mistakes before getting it down to what I like to do so ask questions but we need more information about what you have. From: "sjbiat@..." <sjbiat@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Technical Quesitons   Hithere,   I have been lurking on the site for several years.  But now that I finally set up my AF trains for my grandchild, I find that I have several technical questions with which I hope y’all can help me.   This track had not  been used for several years.  I cleaned it with a light sanding.  But I can see it is still very oxidized.  Is chemical cleaning of the track important, and what is the best way to do it?   The American Models locomotive I bought a few years ago ran great for about an hour.  Then it hardly ran at all.  It seems to not connect to the track – even the headlight is mostly off.  Meanwhile, my 50-year old AF locomotive runs with no problem.  It looks to me like the wheels of the AM locomotive are now covered with some black goo.  Is that indeed likely?  What is the best way to clean them? Thanks in advance for the help.   Stephan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73269	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 10/13/2013
Subject: Reminder

I am leaving for York in the morning, just wanted to remind everyone of the Open House at Toy Trains Ultd. on Wed. @ 2 on York St. in Hanover, about 30 min from fairgrounds plenty of food, sodas, and fun.  See you at York.   Harwood -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 13, 2013 8:01 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/, 10/14/2013, 1:00 am Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Monday October 14, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73270	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: Re: Technical Quesitons

Just do portlines hobby supplies, if you dont have a old book on af trains you can get one on ebay, i used the new white counter cleaner on my wheels to get gunk off, also use alcohol and a q tip to clean them off, if their white you may have dried cooking oil on them, was cheaper than buying light weight oil for af just after the war and during korea, you can use a hair dryer which will help the small wheels on the 314 and they will reasorb the oil, I also put some olive oil on them as i use the dryer to keep the wheels from drying out, next the contact you can gently clean them, I use a drimal with metal polish but have to be carefull it will melt plastic, on the E unit i clean it with a very good dose of wd 40 and clean the excess off, be carefull of the wipe on the e unit dont want to bend them, i also use a contact cleaner, under the engine of the 314 you will see a small two screw plate for the drive gear, remove it and see if the grease has hardened, i use a extra small jewelers screw driver to remove the old dried grease and put in white grease, then i oil all areas on the outside drive gears and the small wheel sets, if it is too much there are some people who can do a overhaul of the engine for reasonable price, i do mine myself, last i put a thin coat of turtle wax on the surface of the engine and the tender it stops any rust and cleans them up, as far as any oil i use sewing machine oil that is non conductive, cant find the non conductive 4-1 oil here thats what others use, reason for the non conductive to prevent arching.  the rest i up to you as to how deep you want to clean your engine, it does get a bit complicated if your not use to working on small electrical parts but they will run like new with a bit of maintance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73271	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: Re: #755 talking station-bought for $15!

Just so folks know….we have both the Union Station roofs, complete, and the roof vents separately available. (But the 755 is the MYSTIC Station, not the UNION Station.)   <<< Sounds like a good buy! Do you have the tower and the accompanying roof? There is an "awning" that goes over the entrance too. The roof of the station is simple sheet metal. I made one a few years back and used a stock Rustoeum color that matched the original green almost perfectly. The roof vents aren't easy to find, but you can still make the replacement without them, and it will look OK. >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73272	From: lou342ac	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: Re: Technical Quesitons

Stephan,     Many different and effective ways of cleaning track and collector wheels on your locomotives. The one thing I recommend you not doing is using anything that is abrasive in nature. I personally use denatured alcohol to scrub the track to get rid of most of the gunk that collects on them, then I burnish the track. This way you don't remove the plating and effectively polish the rails. The wheels are a little tougher. I use goo gone to get the gunk off and burnish the wheels also. On AF diesels, you can use electrical jumpers to apply power to the trucks and slowly turn the wheels by apllying power from your transformer. On American Models you can remove the side frames and lift the wheels out and clean them. Side frames on S-Helper engines are a little more tricky to remove. Lou Baldi   ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hithere,   I have been lurking on the site for several years.  But now that I finally set up my AF trains for my grandchild, I find that I have several technical questions with which I hope y’all can help me.   This track had not  been used for several years.  I cleaned it with a light sanding.  But I can see it is still very oxidized.  Is chemical cleaning of the track important, and what is the best way to do it?   The American Models locomotive I bought a few years ago ran great for about an hour.  Then it hardly ran at all.  It seems to not connect to the track – even the headlight is mostly off.  Meanwhile, my 50-year old AF locomotive runs with no problem.  It looks to me like the wheels of the AM locomotive are now covered with some black goo.  Is that indeed likely?  What is the best way to clean them? Thanks in advance for the help.   Stephan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73273	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: NEXT SUPER CUSTOM Caboose Is Here (Advertisement)

The SECOND of our SUPER CUSTOM UP GRADED AF CABOOSES is here To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73274	From: scaler164	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: Follow Up : WANTED : SHS Product Catalog Issues

Groups, I am still looking for copies of the following SHS catalogs : 2006, 2010, 2011 and 2012 If anyone has any good condition spares of these and is willing to part with them, please contact me off list. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73275	From: racin510	Date: 10/14/2013
Subject: Re: #755 talking station-bought for $15!

If it is a Mystic station as the number implies, simply buy a standard version for $20 and use the roof. I have one available. ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Try E-Bay search: A.C. GILBERT, AMERICAN FLYER, #755 STATION, 1948 - 1950   In a message dated 10/13/2013 5:16:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, poniaj@... writes:   Ben, Sounds like a good buy!  Do you have the tower and the accompanying roof?  There is an "awning" that goes over the entrance too.  The roof of the station is simple sheet metal.  I made one a few years back and used a stock Rustoeum color that matched the original green almost perfectly.  The roof vents aren't easy to find, but you can still make the replacement without them, and it will look OK.  Jerry Bashing and restoring in Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73276	From: bobnalbone04	Date: 10/15/2013
Subject: Karnes e-Book Now Available! (Advertisement)

"Work Extra: 15 Useful Tips for Model Railroaders" by Dick Karnes is now available from RLN Publishing.  The e-book is produced as a printer-friendly PDF.  38 pages, 37 photos, 13 illustrations for only $5.95 (less than 40 cents per tip!). For more information and to order a copy, visit www.1-64ModelingGuide.com. Bob Nalbone President, RLN Publishing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73277	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/15/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Wednesday October 16, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73278	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/15/2013
Subject: 771 Restoration Video

Hi All,   I've just completed restoring a 771 operating stockyard.  You can see a video of the restoration here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wj6nPZOU_A   Enjoy!   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73279	From: wjjim2001	Date: 10/15/2013
Subject: SHS Available at York

Ladies & Gentlemen,   I have an A-B-B-A SHS SANTA FE in CHROME for sale.  Considered "used", display pieces, probably run, NO AC/DC boards or sound, NO Locomatic.     Straight D/C, bench tested.    Will have in York this week, Orange Hall, Table N-11.  Also have SHS track accessories AND a NEW Western Pacific SW.  Will have my CC machine with, obviously cash is "nicer".    Of course Track Wackers in "S" ( and "O", STD & "G" as well )  will be available as will TinPlate Ties AND mystery new product.   Jim Lyle

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73280	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 10/16/2013
Subject: Re: Track planning software

I realize this is a few years ago now, but do you still have the xtrkcad parameter files for the sectional track and turnouts? I was looking on the xtrkcad group and here, and found mention of them but no actual file. Can you help? ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Mr. Yorke, I have used Xtrkcad since it was version 2x and the version 4.03A is the current one has provisions for designing the bench work, drawing table edges, and laying track. With a little work one can design separate modules and then save them as parameter files and then assemble them into a final layout. It has provisions for adding structures, terrain and scenery for 3D views, and the ability to incorporate easements automatically, draw up yard ladders, create multi-level tracks and create helixes to connect two levels.it calculates grade by run and you can specify a maximum grade and a minimum radius for curves as well. If the track you want to use is not found in the parameter files it is pretty simple to use custom management to add your own parameter files, I have made several, including one for Gilbert sectional track and turnouts. The program is NOT Pro-Engineer or Autocad, but it does the job of designing layouts very well indeed. One feature that I found VERY useful is you can populate the cars and engines that you own and then 'run' trains on your layout as designed. I found this to be very valuable particularly identifying spurs that were too short, improper siding lengths, and problems with yards, especially on the makeup and break up tracks..there are quite a few fellows in the group who would be glad to help you out if you run into trouble. I sure would be glad to.have a great day! From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Yorke Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:30 PM To: slist Subject: [S-Trains] Track planning software Anybody using or have experience with any of the 'Open Source' (aka free) layout/track planning software? see http://www.google.com/search?aq=f <http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=model+railroad+trac k+layout+software+open+source&cp=48> &sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=model+railroad+track+layout+software+open+source&cp=4 8 -- Paul Yorke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3348 - Release Date: 12/30/10 _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3348 - Release Date: 12/30/10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73281	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/17/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Friday October 18, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73282	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Today on STUMPY'S MACHINE

This week on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we return to a modeling type that has been mostly unseen in the last 50 years.  Once common, building from scratch with "available materials" was the only way to build models of most things, especially automobiles.    That changed in the mid-fifties with the success of Revell's "Highway Pioneers" series of plastic model car kits.  Within a few years about a dozen manufacturers were making hundreds of different plastic model car kits.   Today's article is "Old School Car Modeling" and it is a photo story featuring some of the model cars I've built over the past 40 years using "available materials."  Just because nobody makes a RTR or kit of something you want doesn't mean you can't make it yourself!   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73283	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: THE NEXT SUPER CUSTOM Caboose Is Here ;o) (Advertisement)

The THIRD of our SUPER CUSTOM UP GRADED AF CABOOSES is here To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73284	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis

What is the best method to separate the 499 electric engine shell from the chassis without breaking plastic?  I've tried to separate them to check a sticky e-unit with no luck. The chassis tab in front won't move back.  I've tried to ply the rear chassis up, to get movement in front.  But no luck as well.  Any help is appreciated.   Thanks --- Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73285	From: edwiehe1	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Re: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis

hi Bob, This maybe a dumb question but have you taken the screw out on the top of the engine opposite the tab end.                                                                              Ed Wiehe ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <aftrains4u@...> wrote: What is the best method to separate the 499 electric engine shell from the chassis without breaking plastic?  I've tried to separate them to check a sticky e-unit with no luck. The chassis tab in front won't move back.  I've tried to ply the rear chassis up, to get movement in front.  But no luck as well.  Any help is appreciated.   Thanks --- Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73286	From: aftrains4u	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Re: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis

Yes.  It as the first thing I did Ed.  Still can't remove chassis from shell.   Bob   ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: hi Bob, This maybe a dumb question but have you taken the screw out on the top of the engine opposite the tab end.                                                                              Ed Wiehe ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <aftrains4u@...> wrote: What is the best method to separate the 499 electric engine shell from the chassis without breaking plastic?  I've tried to separate them to check a sticky e-unit with no luck. The chassis tab in front won't move back.  I've tried to ply the rear chassis up, to get movement in front.  But no luck as well.  Any help is appreciated.   Thanks --- Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73287	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Re: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis

Yes.  This is one of the first things I did to remove the shell Ed.    Bob   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of edwiehe1@... Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 8:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis     hi Bob, This maybe a dumb question but have you taken the screw out on the top of the engine opposite the tab end.                                                                              Ed Wiehe ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <aftrains4u@...> wrote: What is the best method to separate the 499 electric engine shell from the chassis without breaking plastic?  I've tried to separate them to check a sticky e-unit with no luck. The chassis tab in front won't move back.  I've tried to ply the rear chassis up, to get movement in front.  But no luck as well.  Any help is appreciated.   Thanks --- Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73288	From: snstrains	Date: 10/18/2013
Subject: Re: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis

Maybe you forgot to remove the screw on top of the shell???   Steve In a message dated 10/18/2013 5:36:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, aftrains4u@... writes:   What is the best method to separate the 499 electric engine shell from the chassis without breaking plastic?  I've tried to separate them to check a sticky e-unit with no luck. The chassis tab in front won't move back.  I've tried to ply the rear chassis up, to get movement in front.  But no luck as well.  Any help is appreciated.   Thanks --- Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73289	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: Re: Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis

Hi Steve.  The first thing I did was to remove the screw.  I still cannot remove the shell.  Thanks for your response.  Take care.   Bob   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boss31@... Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 12:49 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Removing 499 Electric Shell from Chassis     Maybe you forgot to remove the screw on top of the shell???   Steve In a message dated 10/18/2013 5:36:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, aftrains4u@... writes:   What is the best method to separate the 499 electric engine shell from the chassis without breaking plastic?  I've tried to separate them to check a sticky e-unit with no luck. The chassis tab in front won't move back.  I've tried to ply the rear chassis up, to get movement in front.  But no luck as well.  Any help is appreciated.   Thanks --- Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73290	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: Converting DC motors to AC...

years ago, I got a box of XLerators HO slotless slotcars.. Unlike the slotted kind, they ran off of AC current, but when I put a 9 volt battery to the contacts, the motors ran just fine. Turns out the main difference between the 2 was the XLeratoirs had a diode, which converted the alternating current by blocking half of it.. So, for curiosity's sake, I soldered a diode on to a DC motor, then hooked it up to the AC powerpack. It ran just fine... What I don't remember was if the motors ran both forwards and reverse.. If they do, then simply installing one of these diodes on an HO, On30, or even N scale DC motor would allow you to motorize much smaller equipment, such as a 1950 Ford F 150 to help in the yards... I now know how much those remaining XLerator cars are worth, so I'm not going to mess with any more of them.. Does anyone else out there know if installing a diode will allow you to run DC motors on AC tracks? Obviously, my little experiment has proved you can at least go forward, but what about reverse?? Or is there some other gizmo out there that'll make it safe to run DC locos on an AC track??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73291	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...

 when you used only 1 diode you were running the motor on half wave dc which is ok for light loads on the short time. but not for extended periods as it can cause a heat build up & ruin the armature , best results I have had are with a full wave bridge & filter with a dpdt switch for direction .As for those slotless car the reason for the diodes was one car working on the forward pulse & the other car was on the backward pulse of the half wave dc, this allowed controll of each car regardless of what lane it was in .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73292	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/20/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 20, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73293	From: Dave	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...

Instead of locating a diode on the engine, locate it on the feed line to the track. Switch the feed line from one diode for forward to another diode in reverse direction to reverse the train. The diodes convert the AC to DC in one direction or the other and can power any DC motor. Be careful about the voltage level (check with meter) as it will be higher than the AC rated voltage, Be careful of other DC devices that maybe rated for less voltage than a train can run with.  From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of phuster_6@... Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 1:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Converting DC motors to AC...    years ago, I got a box of XLerators HO slotless slotcars.. Unlike the slotted kind, they ran off of AC current, but when I put a 9 volt battery to the contacts, the motors ran just fine. Turns out the main difference between the 2 was the XLeratoirs had a diode, which converted the alternating current by blocking half of it.. So, for curiosity's sake, I soldered a diode on to a DC motor, then hooked it up to the AC powerpack. It ran just fine... What I don't remember was if the motors ran both forwards and reverse.. If they do, then simply installing one of these diodes on an HO, On30, or even N scale DC motor would allow you to motorize much smaller equipment, such as a 1950 Ford F 150 to help in the yards... I now know how much those remaining XLerator cars are worth, so I'm not going to mess with any more of them.. Does anyone else out there know if installing a diode will allow you to run DC motors on AC tracks? Obviously, my little experiment has proved you can at least go forward, but what about reverse?? Or is there some other gizmo out there that'll make it safe to run DC locos on an AC track??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73294	From: wcbeverly	Date: 10/19/2013
Subject: Slim Gauge Guild Open House 11/3+5

The Slim Gauge Guild Model RR Club would like to invite you to their open house Sunday November 3rd from 10am to 6pm and Tuesday November 5th from 6pm to 10pm. The Slim Gauge Guild is located on the South East corner of Raymond and Del Mar in Old Town Pasadena. The address is 300 S. Raymond, Pasadena CA. 91105 The club features two layouts in a 2000 sq. ft. basement. The HO/HOn3 layout has a Colorado theme and centers around Salida in the 1920s as the track goes up the Black Canyon and enters Cimarron Colorado. From there the track joins the Rio Grande Southern part of the layout with Ophir and the Gallagher Loop. The S/Sn3 layout has a California high country theme with massive mountains and high bridges. The upper level has a West Side Lumber logging scenes. Come join us. Admission is always free.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73295	From: rpuls3	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: Up Grade Your AF 6 Wheel Trucks (Advertisement)

Hello LBR Crew I want to make sure that I am understanding this offer on upgrading AF high wheel trucks to all wheel pickup. I am interested in having trucks for my Northern and my Hudson upgraded. Is the price $36.00 per pair, minimum two pair saving total $38.00? Also would you be able to upgrade 4 wheel sheet metal trucks in the same way or only trucks with diecast side frames? Thanks Ray ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Another unpublished SPECIAL OFFER. We will up grade all AF pre-1966 (1946-1965) high rail six (6) wheel trucks to ALL WHEEL CONTACT TRUCKS from OCT. 17, 2013 thru OCT. 31, 2013 for $18.00 ea. minimum order is four (4) trucks. Free return shipping via USPS in CONUS. The regular price is $55.00 per pair. YOU SAVE $38.00.   Thank you for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.   "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73296	From: rick.flaherty	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Brass 4-8-8-4

Hi guys, Any ideas who made this engine that I bought? http://www.ebay.com/itm/4021-Union-Pacific-locomotive-/290987119720?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=F8fDTMsAO%252BgJQmk6cf3bMlKfXxM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc It looks like I ned to find some parts. Thanks in advance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73297	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: Up Grade Your AF 6 Wheel Trucks (Advertisement)

Ray,      Yes about the Northern & Hudson. The 4 wheel sheet metal trucks are $28.00 per pair with a minimum of 2 pair for this price. Dave On Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:54 AM, "rpuls3@..." <rpuls3@...> wrote:   Hello LBR Crew I want to make sure that I am understanding this offer on upgrading AF high wheel trucks to all wheel pickup. I am interested in having trucks for my Northern and my Hudson upgraded. Is the price $36.00 per pair, minimum two pair saving total $38.00? Also would you be able to upgrade 4 wheel sheet metal trucks in the same way or only trucks with diecast side frames? Thanks Ray ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Another unpublished SPECIAL OFFER. We will up grade all AF pre-1966 (1946-1965) high rail six (6) wheel trucks to ALL WHEEL CONTACT TRUCKS from OCT. 17, 2013 thru OCT. 31, 2013 for $18.00 ea. minimum order is four (4) trucks. Free return shipping via USPS in CONUS. The regular price is $55.00 per pair. YOU SAVE $38.00.   Thank you for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS.   "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73298	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...

If you have the AF Repair Guide that I wrote, you can find the electrical diagrams for building a DC power supply from an AF transformer. Since the AF motors are Universal, they can run on either AC or DC. However they have been optimized for AC and will run warmer with DC. Tom Barker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73299	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...

I tried to find a "full wave bridge filter" on ebay and got nothing.. When I ommitted theword filter, I got way too many results for me to know what I need.. Anyways, I brought down one of those cars and it ran without problems in forward, but when I tried changing direction(old Lionel transformer with push buttons), the motor paused with the button pushed but went back to forwards after that.. I know I also have Tyco and Ideal TCR slotless cars.. Those worked a bit differently(I think).. When you flip those cars over, there are 2 gears.. When you push the lane change button, the motor armature shaft spins in the other direction, and it also moves a bit forward/backward to engage in the separate rear end gears..  Here's a link to show one: http://slotcarcentral.com/drupal-5/cr-s3 . I have to admit, there is an alterior motive here.. I'd love to build a scale powered handcar, 1950 Ford rail critter, and/or a speeder down the road, so a small AC motor would really make my day, but these slot car motors spin way too fast. AC is so much better with my 1950-60 AF trains, they'll work with DC, but nowhere near as smooth. The reason I thought diodes might be the answer is their compact size. I'd have no trouble fitting them into tiny cavities, wherever there was room.. And another benefit from using these slotless motors is that they'll run on either AC or DC current.. If I switch to DC, I'll need to run feeder wires all over, and once you do that, AC will never be the same..(when you use feeders with AC, the waves change.. it's like the feeders are fighting against the main current feed, and things start to run hotter). My godfather told me to make sure I used the same amount of wire for every insulated section, and to try to have the same number of running feet in each section. I always have. I know the world has gone to DCC, but I'm still not convinced.. Any thoughts greatly appreciated ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  when you used only 1 diode you were running the motor on half wave dc which is ok for light loads on the short time. but not for extended periods as it can cause a heat build up & ruin the armature , best results I have had are with a full wave bridge & filter with a dpdt switch for direction .As for those slotless car the reason for the diodes was one car working on the forward pulse & the other car was on the backward pulse of the half wave dc, this allowed controll of each car regardless of what lane it was in .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73300	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/20/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 20, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73301	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...

Try bridge rectifiers. Ted Weiler From: "phuster_6@..." <phuster_6@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: RE: Re: [S-Trains] Converting DC motors to AC... I tried to find a "full wave bridge filter" on ebay and got nothing.. When I ommitted theword filter, I got way too many results for me to know what I need.. Anyways, I brought down one of those cars and it ran without problems in forward, but when I tried changing direction(old Lionel transformer with push buttons), the motor paused with the button pushed but went back to forwards after that.. I know I also have Tyco and Ideal TCR slotless cars.. Those worked a bit differently(I think).. When you flip those cars over, there are 2 gears.. When you push the lane change button, the motor armature shaft spins in the other direction, and it also moves a bit forward/backward to engage in the separate rear end gears..  Here's a link to show one: http://slotcarcentral.com/drupal-5/cr-s3 . I have to admit, there is an alterior motive here.. I'd love to build a scale powered handcar, 1950 Ford rail critter, and/or a speeder down the road, so a small AC motor would really make my day, but these slot car motors spin way too fast. AC is so much better with my 1950-60 AF trains, they'll work with DC, but nowhere near as smooth. The reason I thought diodes might be the answer is their compact size. I'd have no trouble fitting them into tiny cavities, wherever there was room.. And another benefit from using these slotless motors is that they'll run on either AC or DC current.. If I switch to DC, I'll need to run feeder wires all over, and once you do that, AC will never be the same..(when you use feeders with AC, the waves change.. it's like the feeders are fighting against the main current feed, and things start to run hotter). My godfather told me to make sure I used the same amount of wire for every insulated section, and to try to have the same number of running feet in each section. I always have. I know the world has gone to DCC, but I'm still not convinced.. Any thoughts greatly appreciated ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  when you used only 1 diode you were running the motor on half wave dc which is ok for light loads on the short time. but not for extended periods as it can cause a heat build up & ruin the armature , best results I have had are with a full wave bridge & filter with a dpdt switch for direction .As for those slotless car the reason for the diodes was one car working on the forward pulse & the other car was on the backward pulse of the half wave dc, this allowed controll of each car regardless of what lane it was in .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73302	From: rudypenne	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS

All Electronics | Electronic and Electro-Mechanical Parts and Supplies at Discount Prices  Here is a link. Click on Bridge Rectifiers on the left side. Also a good source for most any other electronics you might need. Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73303	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Monday October 21, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73304	From: EDWARD	Date: 10/20/2013
Subject: temporary solution to old format

I have received this from one of my Santa Claus groups that I belong to. Ed Eckert Santa Ed Over on the Camp Cooking With Da Cap'n group, <http://stage.groups.yahoo.com/group/campcookingwithdacapn>, Doug wrote that by putting stage. in front of the old yahoo addresses we can view the old style Yahoo groups. You can go to http://stage.groups.yahoo.com/mygroups to access all of your groups in the former style. I don't know how long Yahoo will let us use this, enjoy it while we can. Blessings, claus Please feel free to share with your other groups.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73305	From: richs009	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS

You could also try DigiKey or Mouser (google 'em).  alternatively, Radio Shack has them as well.  I've used their 4 amp module for installation on AF locos. - Rich ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: All Electronics | Electronic and Electro-Mechanical Parts and Supplies at Discount Prices  Here is a link. Click on Bridge Rectifiers on the left side. Also a good source for most any other electronics you might need. Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73306	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: replies to my PCC in S question

Mark.. I found their website, but they sell Corgi, not their own castings.. Do you remember a company a year or so ago that was selling at least 2 different S scale trolleys? One was a PCC, and the other maybe a Birney? I'm just getting back into this, and really wanted one of theirs on my holiday layout this year.. Any info, please reply. Thanks.  Jim  ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <lember2004@...> wrote: Thanks for the lightning fast replies! The responses sent me to the website for Pennsylvania Heritage Models, where I found their offering of PCC's in S: DC, AC w. reverser, scale or hi-rail trucks. Thanks to all who replied! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73307	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: Temporary solution BLOCKED!

The "stage" trick no longer works.  It seems that Yahoo never intended to "fix" the problem or make themselves compatible for other systems or servers.  It's Neo or nothing!  Welcome to "The Matrix."   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73308	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: Temporary solution BLOCKED!

Link to the old system still working for me. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 21 Oct 2013 07:23:57 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Temporary solution BLOCKED!   The "stage" trick no longer works.  It seems that Yahoo never intended to "fix" the problem or make themselves compatible for other systems or servers.  It's Neo or nothing!  Welcome to "The Matrix."   Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73309	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: Temporary solution BLOCKED!

Must be Karma Stumpy - go looking for trouble and you find it. Relax and enjoy your hobby and maybe things will smooth out. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 21 Oct 2013 07:23:57 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Temporary solution BLOCKED!   The "stage" trick no longer works.  It seems that Yahoo never intended to "fix" the problem or make themselves compatible for other systems or servers.  It's Neo or nothing!  Welcome to "The Matrix."   Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73310	From: trndad	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: replies to my PCC in S question

Jim, Putt used to make trolleys in S.  They made kits and ready to run.  I believe they are out of business though.   Dean ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Mark.. I found their website, but they sell Corgi, not their own castings.. Do you remember a company a year or so ago that was selling at least 2 different S scale trolleys? One was a PCC, and the other maybe a Birney? I'm just getting back into this, and really wanted one of theirs on my holiday layout this year.. Any info, please reply. Thanks.  Jim  ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <lember2004@...> wrote: Thanks for the lightning fast replies! The responses sent me to the website for Pennsylvania Heritage Models, where I found their offering of PCC's in S: DC, AC w. reverser, scale or hi-rail trucks. Thanks to all who replied! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73311	From: bstilesaf	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Stock cars for AF circus train

OK, this idea is not mine originally...apparently lots of S gaugers have done this conversion, and I am upset it took me so long to get on the right track.   I saw a lot of AF circus stuff on eBay. Included were Lionel #6473 Horse Transport stock cars in yellow with red lettering (sound familiar?) converted to S gauge. The 027 cars are about the right size and look good on S gauge trucks. Horse heads bobble in and out of side windows on a pendulum set up inside the car. Also there is a red circus stock car item #16638 that would look great, too.   Since AF never had stock cars for its circus set, these are a great, animated addition to the circus train. I picked up my first #6473 at York for $15...which is also quite a bit cheaper than the Lionel Flyer stock car that came out a few years ago now. I had it converted to S gauge within ten minutes of arriving back home!   Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73312	From: rick gough	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: Stock cars for AF circus train

What 027 cars do you refer to?   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing On Monday, October 21, 2013 1:34 PM, "lbstiles@..." <lbstiles@...> wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   OK, this idea is not mine originally...apparently lots of S gaugers have done this conversion, and I am upset it took me so long to get on the right track.   I saw a lot of AF circus stuff on eBay. Included were Lionel #6473 Horse Transport stock cars in yellow with red lettering (sound familiar?) converted to S gauge. The 027 cars are about the right size and look good on S gauge trucks. Horse heads bobble in and out of side windows on a pendulum set up inside the car. Also there is a red circus stock car item #16638 that would look great, too.   Since AF never had stock cars for its circus set, these are a great, animated addition to the circus train. I picked up my first #6473 at York for $15...which is also quite a bit cheaper than the Lionel Flyer stock car that came out a few years ago now. I had it converted to S gauge within ten minutes of arriving back home!   Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73313	From: bstilesaf	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Re: Stock cars for AF circus train

In previous post... "Lionel #6473 Horse Transport stock cars in yellow with red lettering (sound familiar?) converted to S gauge. The 027 cars are about the right size and look good on S gauge trucks. Horse heads bobble in and out of side windows on a pendulum set up inside the car. Also there is a red circus stock car item #16638" that would look great, too. These are easy to locate on eBay...or do a Google images search. The 027 cars really are very close to S gauge boxcars- perhaps 1/8" wider total and perhaps 3/16" higher. They are longer, but circus cars were actually double the length of regular train cars, so  that is a good thing. Ben ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: What 027 cars do you refer to?   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing On Monday, October 21, 2013 1:34 PM, "lbstiles@..." <lbstiles@...> wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   OK, this idea is not mine originally...apparently lots of S gaugers have done this conversion, and I am upset it took me so long to get on the right track.   I saw a lot of AF circus stuff on eBay. Included were Lionel #6473 Horse Transport stock cars in yellow with red lettering (sound familiar?) converted to S gauge. The 027 cars are about the right size and look good on S gauge trucks. Horse heads bobble in and out of side windows on a pendulum set up inside the car. Also there is a red circus stock car item #16638 that would look great, too.   Since AF never had stock cars for its circus set, these are a great, animated addition to the circus train. I picked up my first #6473 at York for $15...which is also quite a bit cheaper than the Lionel Flyer stock car that came out a few years ago now. I had it converted to S gauge within ten minutes of arriving back home!   Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73314	From: Don McGinnis	Date: 10/21/2013
Subject: Looking For Some Rolling Stock

Hello all, I'm looking for two items. #1 is the Atlas Industrial Rail O-27 caboose. This converts to an excellent ATSF steel caboose in S. #2 would be an SHS ATSF 'Shock Control' rebuilt box in the red & black paint scheme. If anyone has, or knows of someone that has, either of these two types of rolling stock and is willing to sell them, I'm ready to buy. Thanx Don McGinnis m a c 3 0 4  at  c o m c a s t  dot  n e t

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73315	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS

We have them available as well. Our #95, listed under MOTOR PARTS.   <<< Bridge Rectifiers>>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73316	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: The NEXT Super Cuistom Caboose Is Here (Advertisement)

The THIRD of our SUPER CUSTOM UP GRADED AF CABOOSES is here To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR" Reply

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73317	From: bstilesaf	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: Rolling stock wanted

It has become my wife's tradition to create a father's day train car for me each year. We waited a long time for children, and these personally created train cars with original graphics, etc. really make me smile!   For some time, Lynn was buying undecorated S-Helper rolling stock to decorate. Now that the S-Helper well has dried up, I am helping her to amass some knuckle coupler rolling stock suitable for rennovation. The most recent was a #633 boxcar we bought at York for $10- strangely it already had knuckle coupler trucks although it is a 600 series car. We no longer have the $$ to spend $40-50 on undecorated cars.   If you have any AF KC rolling stock that is not perfect but would fit the bill for making these custom cars, please send me a note. If the price is right...we are looking to get Lynn a nice collection of cars to decorate.   Thanks!  Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73318	From: amflyer336	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: Re: replies to my PCC in S question

Check KND's website: http://www.pknd.com/New%20Car%20Kits%20Format/Car_Kits_S_Scale.html No PCCs but other trolley kits.  You may have to go to the HO or O sections to see pictures of the models. Gregg   ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Mark.. I found their website, but they sell Corgi, not their own castings.. Do you remember a company a year or so ago that was selling at least 2 different S scale trolleys? One was a PCC, and the other maybe a Birney? I'm just getting back into this, and really wanted one of theirs on my holiday layout this year.. Any info, please reply. Thanks.  Jim  ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <lember2004@...> wrote: Thanks for the lightning fast replies! The responses sent me to the website for Pennsylvania Heritage Models, where I found their offering of PCC's in S: DC, AC w. reverser, scale or hi-rail trucks. Thanks to all who replied! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73319	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Wednesday October 23, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73320	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: Re: Stock cars for AF circus train

HEHE, I purchased the heavyweight cars they looked real nice, I didnt get the bobbing horse, I have seen how these were done, just going to reproduce this with some old af stock and use zebras etc instead of horses, but O27 would work. From: rick gough <racin510@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stock cars for AF circus train   What 027 cars do you refer to?   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing On Monday, October 21, 2013 1:34 PM, "lbstiles@..." <lbstiles@...> wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   OK, this idea is not mine originally...apparently lots of S gaugers have done this conversion, and I am upset it took me so long to get on the right track.   I saw a lot of AF circus stuff on eBay. Included were Lionel #6473 Horse Transport stock cars in yellow with red lettering (sound familiar?) converted to S gauge. The 027 cars are about the right size and look good on S gauge trucks. Horse heads bobble in and out of side windows on a pendulum set up inside the car. Also there is a red circus stock car item #16638 that would look great, too.   Since AF never had stock cars for its circus set, these are a great, animated addition to the circus train. I picked up my first #6473 at York for $15...which is also quite a bit cheaper than the Lionel Flyer stock car that came out a few years ago now. I had it converted to S gauge within ten minutes of arriving back home!   Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73321	From: mpcantu88	Date: 10/22/2013
Subject: AF cars needed

Hi guys, I am looking to bolster my collection of american flyer train cars. Looking for gondolas, flat beds, oil tankers, box cars, etc. Preferably looking for cars with knuckle couplers. My email is mpcantu@... if anyone interested in selling their collection. Thanks. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73322	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: What doyou want to see? (Advertisemet)

Now that most of you have seen our SUPER CUSTOM CABOOSES and as we will probably be doing only two more for now we would like to know what CENTER CUPOLA caboose rail road name you would most like to see up for auction at our "Bid-Sales" web site.   LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73323	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: Sinclair Decals - Yahoo Group Club Car

Hi Dave, The club car project you helped me with has gone public on the Yahoo Group (TCA_Members). I have a few sets and there has been a little bit of interest. If any more of the members are interested, would it make sense to have them contact you directly? This was the Sinclair tank car with the Dinosaur logo and the very small letters with a couple of slogans. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73324	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: Re: Sinclair Decals - Yahoo Group Club Car

Bill,      You can take care of the members. OK? Dave On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:47 AM, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:   Hi Dave, The club car project you helped me with has gone public on the Yahoo Group (TCA_Members). I have a few sets and there has been a little bit of interest. If any more of the members are interested, would it make sense to have them contact you directly? This was the Sinclair tank car with the Dinosaur logo and the very small letters with a couple of slogans. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73325	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: Re: Sinclair Decals - Yahoo Group Club Car

Oops, I thought I was replying directly to Dave. This note was not meant for the Group. Bill (egg on face) Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/23/2013 11:12 AM, Bill Porter wrote: > Hi Dave, > > The club car project you helped me with has gone public on the Yahoo > Group (TCA_Members). I have a few sets and there has been a little bit > of interest. If any more of the members are interested, would it make > sense to have them contact you directly? > > This was the Sinclair tank car with the Dinosaur logo and the very small > letters with a couple of slogans. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > The Acreage - Florida > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73326	From: Dr Trains	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: Re: Looking For Some Rolling Stock

I have an Atlas/Industrial rail ATSF style caboose. It is body, floor, end ladders...no trucks/couplers, ptd. in BN green. I want $30.00 for it plus about $7 for shipping... Peter Loeb On Monday, October 21, 2013 7:50 PM, Don McGinnis <Mac304@...> wrote:   Hello all, I'm looking for two items. #1 is the Atlas Industrial Rail O-27 caboose. This converts to an excellent ATSF steel caboose in S. #2 would be an SHS ATSF 'Shock Control' rebuilt box in the red & black paint scheme. If anyone has, or knows of someone that has, either of these two types of rolling stock and is willing to sell them, I'm ready to buy. Thanx Don McGinnis m a c 3 0 4  at  c o m c a s t  dot  n e t

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73327	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/23/2013
Subject: KCS rolling stock

Hi all, Has any manufacturer ever produced any KCS rolling stock? RTR or kits? Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73328	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Illuminated Number Boards ;o) (Advertisement)

We have been working on a trim able, illuminated, translucent white number board for "S" AF steam engines, but could be used most any where, and it looks like they will be available the first part of November 2013. The price will be $5.50 per pair.   LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73329	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Kansas City Southern rolling stock

Got a couple of responses to my query about the availability of Kansas City Southern rolling stock. l will be a bit more specific: What I would like to see are some center-flow hoppers in the KCS Heritage Southern Belle paint scheme. Since the Flyonel version of the KCS Heritage-decorated SD70ACe sold out at the factory, I would guess that there might be others like me who would like to see it pulling some KCS cars behind. A heritage scheme box car would be nice also, even though I am not certain if the KCS has done any of those in prototype. All modern stuff, which is outside my era, but being a KCS uber-fan, and from Kansas City, and having photographed all of the heritage units for the KCS, I have a natural attachment for anything KCS. Well, not the grey and red so much, but even that in S would get a serious look. Somebody may have made a modern center-flow hopper in S, undecorated, but I can’t find it. Given time and the help of a local guy to paint it, I would be willing to go that route, or even do a kit. Any ideas? Cheers, Roy Inman From: <BlackDiamondRR@...> Reply-To: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 05:27:57 -0700 To: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Subject: {S-Scale List} RE: X29 FYI           Bill,   I had the same issue with the SHS 2DF8 trucks but once I used the Ace brass grommet (upside down), that problem was solved. The grommet also eliminated the "slop" of the truck bolster hole around the screw as the grommet acted as a sleeve through the bolster.    I think once DesPlaines releases its trucks for this car, the bolster rubbing will be gone. The 2DF8 sideframe shape contributes to the issue, by design the sideframes are a higher arch.    Now coupler height I found was spot on before using the grommets, so I had to shim down the couple pocket by the same thickness as the lip in the grommet, in this case .015". What couplers/pockets are you using? Did you use the NASG coupler height check gauge?    The included weight is excessive in my opinion, on the next car I do, I plan to cut the weight down and just use a section over each truck.     Bud Rindfleisch   ---In S-Scale@yahoogroups.com, <s-scale@yahoogroups.com> wrote: My car is now on trucks with couplers installed. I used the SHS 2D-F8 PRR trucks. I tapped 2-56 screws to the car bolster. Without any washers between the trucks and the car the sideframes just rubbed on the body bolster. I suppose I could have wacked at the offending rivets not I did not.  I added your average #4 brass flat washer and fixed that. Trying to set the coupler height was another matter. They are high.  It took 3 tries. I was way off starting with a .08 thick pad but settled on using .030.    More photos later. Check out  the “custom machining” I did to the weight! It will be explained for sure. Really hoping to paint today as well.    Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/> Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!    See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm <http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm> Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls>   ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com <http://www.prslhs.com/>   Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73330	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Switch machines without plunges...

I've goofed around a bit with some HO slot car chassis, trying to figure out a way to mount them to turnouts.. With a bunch of small clamps and alligator clips, I "mounted" one on the side of a Gargraves switch and it flips them with ease in both directions. The ones I used were original Aurora Model Motoring Tjets and the later AFX chassis with the in line armatures. These chassis are about 3 inches long, but you can easily cut off an inch of them, so the total space needed is 1 X 2 X 3/4 inch... And the best part is they are everywhere and dirt cheap, as low as $2-$3 if you're lucky. I need to brainstorm this with a larger community. Mounting topside or undermount.. Compared to the other options costing $13-$35, there's got to be some interest, right? Adding a small switch yard could cost you $30 instead of $130..  Here's a link I found with a diagram of the parts.. If someone knows how to actually post it here, it'd be appreciated as I couldn't figure it out..  http://www.lbfoster-railproducts.com/Turnouts.asp . Basically, I "mounted" the slot car chassis on a bit of an angle, passing the throw bar over the rear tire and under the front one. The rubber tires kept the bar halfway stable and had more than enough torque using a cheap 9 volt battery. These chassis can easily handle up to 25 watts DC, and most run in both directions if the current is reversed. What we need to do is figure out a simple, inexpensive mounting system for any S scale switch.. Keep in mind, that the goal is to do this to a bunch of switches over our lifetimes, so a jig would really make a big difference too, for all of us and our friends too. All ideas welcome..    Jim Zulawski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73331	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Re: Stock cars for AF circus train

Why not monkeys or gorrillas??? I've been looking for some O scale mechanisms to create funny S scale Christmas cars.. I used the same general idea as the horse car for a passenger car with elves and reindeer in a few open windows.. Car is primed and ready for painting by a local artist I know.. You can also use a really lightweight spring in the cab of steam engines, have monkeys sway in and out of the windows.. Some people like the prototypically correct cars, others just like fun..  I've thought about a human cannon car too, but it'd really have to be a long one... Be neat if it actually worked.. time it just right to shoot a clown through a big ring, into the safety net..  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: HEHE, I purchased the heavyweight cars they looked real nice, I didnt get the bobbing horse, I have seen how these were done, just going to reproduce this with some old af stock and use zebras etc instead of horses, but O27 would work. From: rick gough <racin510@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stock cars for AF circus train   What 027 cars do you refer to?   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing On Monday, October 21, 2013 1:34 PM, "lbstiles@..." <lbstiles@...> wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   OK, this idea is not mine originally...apparently lots of S gaugers have done this conversion, and I am upset it took me so long to get on the right track.   I saw a lot of AF circus stuff on eBay. Included were Lionel #6473 Horse Transport stock cars in yellow with red lettering (sound familiar?) converted to S gauge. The 027 cars are about the right size and look good on S gauge trucks. Horse heads bobble in and out of side windows on a pendulum set up inside the car. Also there is a red circus stock car item #16638 that would look great, too.   Since AF never had stock cars for its circus set, these are a great, animated addition to the circus train. I picked up my first #6473 at York for $15...which is also quite a bit cheaper than the Lionel Flyer stock car that came out a few years ago now. I had it converted to S gauge within ten minutes of arriving back home!   Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73332	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS

I saw some vague mention of a way to run DC Black Beetles on AC.. I have an old Gilbert rectifier, but if I do that, the whole track goes DC.. What I'm looking for is portable, installed on the engine. Any thoughts? The guy from PA Heritage who recently died had a way of running them as AC...   ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: We have them available as well. Our #95, listed under MOTOR PARTS.   <<< Bridge Rectifiers>>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73333	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Re: Stock cars for AF circus train

I have ideal of using slow rotation motor to move monkeys across the top of a old box car or something like that same thing used by Lionel on their old cars, but it has to wait a bit have repair projects first. From: "phuster_6@..." <phuster_6@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: RE: Re: [S-Trains] Stock cars for AF circus train   Why not monkeys or gorrillas??? I've been looking for some O scale mechanisms to create funny S scale Christmas cars.. I used the same general idea as the horse car for a passenger car with elves and reindeer in a few open windows.. Car is primed and ready for painting by a local artist I know.. You can also use a really lightweight spring in the cab of steam engines, have monkeys sway in and out of the windows.. Some people like the prototypically correct cars, others just like fun..  I've thought about a human cannon car too, but it'd really have to be a long one... Be neat if it actually worked.. time it just right to shoot a clown through a big ring, into the safety net..  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: HEHE, I purchased the heavyweight cars they looked real nice, I didnt get the bobbing horse, I have seen how these were done, just going to reproduce this with some old af stock and use zebras etc instead of horses, but O27 would work. From: rick gough <racin510@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stock cars for AF circus train   What 027 cars do you refer to?   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing On Monday, October 21, 2013 1:34 PM, "lbstiles@..." <lbstiles@...> wrote: ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   OK, this idea is not mine originally...apparently lots of S gaugers have done this conversion, and I am upset it took me so long to get on the right track.   I saw a lot of AF circus stuff on eBay. Included were Lionel #6473 Horse Transport stock cars in yellow with red lettering (sound familiar?) converted to S gauge. The 027 cars are about the right size and look good on S gauge trucks. Horse heads bobble in and out of side windows on a pendulum set up inside the car. Also there is a red circus stock car item #16638 that would look great, too.   Since AF never had stock cars for its circus set, these are a great, animated addition to the circus train. I picked up my first #6473 at York for $15...which is also quite a bit cheaper than the Lionel Flyer stock car that came out a few years ago now. I had it converted to S gauge within ten minutes of arriving back home!   Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73334	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Friday October 25, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73335	From: snstrains	Date: 10/24/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS

I don't know what a "Black Beetle" is, but there are small 1.5 amp bridge rectifiers that could be put in line with the motor current input leads. This would change the current of an AC transformer to DC at the motor. The drawback to that is that it would only run in one direction. Of course if the motor was of a higher amp draw than the 1.5 amps it COULD suck the guts out of the rectifier at heavy load.    Steve Boise     In a message dated 10/24/2013 2:52:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, phuster_6@... writes:   I saw some vague mention of a way to run DC Black Beetles on AC.. I have an old Gilbert rectifier, but if I do that, the whole track goes DC.. What I'm looking for is portable, installed on the engine. Any thoughts? The guy from PA Heritage who recently died had a way of running them as AC...   ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: We have them available as well. Our #95, listed under MOTOR PARTS.   <<< Bridge Rectifiers>>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73336	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/25/2013
Subject: "Train Wrecks" on STUMPY'S MACHINE!

Today on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com the subject is "Train Wrecks!"  While traveling by rail is one of the safest forms of transportation today, this wasn't always the case!  In the Nineteenth Century and into the Twentieth, travel by rail could be a risky proposition!   The story is on page 3 and there is a bonus pictorial with more information on Feature B page.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73337	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/25/2013
Subject: Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS

SnS uses a very tiny rectifier with their handcar conversion motors. It should fit a BB ok, but it limits the load you plan to pull….if any.   <<< I saw some vague mention of a way to run DC Black Beetles on AC.. I have an old Gilbert rectifier, but if I do that, the whole track goes DC.. What I'm looking for is portable, installed on the engine. Any thoughts? The guy from PA Heritage who recently died had a way of running them as AC... >>>     Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73338	From: ken garber	Date: 10/25/2013
Subject: Bridge Rectifiers

Wouldn't suck the guts but it probably would cause the smoke to excape, and things don't work well after the smoke escapes.   One can also use a set of four rectifiers soldered into a bridge format although a small bridge rectifier may be more convenient.   Several emails have mentioned where to buy such items, but you can also look for an area amateur radio swap - they'll have parts galore.     Ken Garber     On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:25 AM, <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: 5b. Re: AC-DC BRIDGE RECTIFIERS     Posted by:  boss31@... snstrains     Date: Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:24 pm ((PDT)) I don't know what a "Black Beetle" is, but there are small 1.5 amp  bridge rectifiers that could be put in line with the motor current input leads. This would change the current of an AC transformer to DC at the motor.  The drawback to that is that it would only run in one direction. Of course if  the motor was of a higher amp draw than the 1.5 amps it COULD suck the  guts out of the rectifier at heavy load. Steve Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73339	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/25/2013
Subject: Re: Bridge Rectifiers

www.allelectronics.com has all sorts of bridge rectifiers from 1.5 amp up to 45 amp. They cost anywhere from a $1 to about $5. Their shipping is flat rate $7 so you might want to look through some other things like wire, switches, or other parts to add to the order. They also have all kinds of fixed voltage transformers like 16 volt wall warts that might be useful. I use them a lot for my electronic projects. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73340	From: reujan2000	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item is at your "BID-SALES" (Advertisem

New "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below:   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234   Thank you all for your continuing support.   "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73341	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: Train-O-Rama display included in set?

In 1953, AF produced a #790 Train-O-Rama display consisting of a partially 3 dimensional backdrop about 9 feet or so wide.   I seem to recall a set that included this display, but I can't find it.   I checked Vol. 3 of the 3 volume Greenberg set and Bob Tufts book on AF sets.   On page 18 of that latter book there is a very small illustration of what such a set might have looked like, but I am not sure if it is a set, or just an illustration showing how the backdrop might be used.  Any info would be appreciated. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73342	From: Bruce	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?

Dale,   Some initial research regarding the #790 revealed the following from the March/April addition of the S Gaugian’s “American Flyer Collector’s Column”, co-written by Dave Garrigues and Peter Jugle:   “The #790 Trainorama was also issued in 1953.  A sales brochure (D1706) indicates that Trainorama was to be sold as #791 at  a retail price of $9.95, but they have only been known to come in “dealer special” sets.   Although it was not really a dealer display, it was the closest thing to a dealer display that was available to the consumer.”   I’ll continue to research this, but nothing in any of the existing guides makes any reference to any set available to the consumer that contained a #790.   Hope this helps somewhat.   Bruce DeGailler, Sr.     From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Train-O-Rama display included in set?     In 1953, AF produced a #790 Train-O-Rama display consisting of a partially 3 dimensional backdrop about 9 feet or so wide.   I seem to recall a set that included this display, but I can't find it.   I checked Vol. 3 of the 3 volume Greenberg set and Bob Tufts book on AF sets.   On page 18 of that latter book there is a very small illustration of what such a set might have looked like, but I am not sure if it is a set, or just an illustration showing how the backdrop might be used.  Any info would be appreciated. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73343	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/27/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73344	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?

Contact Bob Board, All Aboard R R.  Has repros very well done Rboard@... Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote: In 1953, AF produced a #790 Train-O-Rama display consisting of a partially 3 dimensional backdrop about 9 feet or so wide.   I seem to recall a set that included this display, but I can't find it.   I checked Vol. 3 of the 3 volume Greenberg set and Bob Tufts book on AF sets.   On page 18 of that latter book there is a very small illustration of what such a set might have looked like, but I am not sure if it is a set, or just an illustration showing how the backdrop might be used.  Any info would be appreciated. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73345	From: Bruce	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?

By the way, that was the March/April 1977 edition (not addition) of the S Gaugian.   Bruce     From: Bruce Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 2:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train-O-Rama display included in set?       Dale,   Some initial research regarding the #790 revealed the following from the March/April addition of the S Gaugian’s “American Flyer Collector’s Column”, co-written by Dave Garrigues and Peter Jugle:   “The #790 Trainorama was also issued in 1953.  A sales brochure (D1706) indicates that Trainorama was to be sold as #791 at  a retail price of $9.95, but they have only been known to come in “dealer special” sets.   Although it was not really a dealer display, it was the closest thing to a dealer display that was available to the consumer.”   I’ll continue to research this, but nothing in any of the existing guides makes any reference to any set available to the consumer that contained a #790.   Hope this helps somewhat.   Bruce DeGailler, Sr.     From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Train-O-Rama display included in set?     In 1953, AF produced a #790 Train-O-Rama display consisting of a partially 3 dimensional backdrop about 9 feet or so wide.   I seem to recall a set that included this display, but I can't find it.   I checked Vol. 3 of the 3 volume Greenberg set and Bob Tufts book on AF sets.   On page 18 of that latter book there is a very small illustration of what such a set might have looked like, but I am not sure if it is a set, or just an illustration showing how the backdrop might be used.  Any info would be appreciated. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73346	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/26/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?

I found it.   It is a #109 set offered in 1955.  It was listed on page 18 of Bob Tufts' book.   I just didn't read far enough.   The illustration shows a passenger set headed by a steam engine and containing a pair of switches, but the actual set offered was basically the Silver Flash freight set from 1954 with a 795 Union Station and terminal, as well as the 790 Trainorama display added.  I am working on adding a section to the americanflyerdisplays.org website tracing the development of the "Layout in a Box" idea to its culmination in the All Aboard Sets. Dale On 10/26/2013 2:51 PM, Bruce wrote:     Dale,   Some initial research regarding the #790 revealed the following from the March/April addition of the S Gaugian’s “American Flyer Collector’s Column”, co-written by Dave Garrigues and Peter Jugle:   “The #790 Trainorama was also issued in 1953.  A sales brochure (D1706) indicates that Trainorama was to be sold as #791 at  a retail price of $9.95, but they have only been known to come in “dealer special” sets.   Although it was not really a dealer display, it was the closest thing to a dealer display that was available to the consumer.”   I’ll continue to research this, but nothing in any of the existing guides makes any reference to any set available to the consumer that contained a #790.   Hope this helps somewhat.   Bruce DeGailler, Sr.     From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Train-O-Rama display included in set?     In 1953, AF produced a #790 Train-O-Rama display consisting of a partially 3 dimensional backdrop about 9 feet or so wide.   I seem to recall a set that included this display, but I can't find it.   I checked Vol. 3 of the 3 volume Greenberg set and Bob Tufts book on AF sets.   On page 18 of that latter book there is a very small illustration of what such a set might have looked like, but I am not sure if it is a set, or just an illustration showing how the backdrop might be used.  Any info would be appreciated. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73347	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/27/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 27, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73348	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Monday October 28, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73349	From: Bruce	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?

Good find, Dale.  I don’t have Bob Tuft’s book, but have all the others.  That set number (109) doesn’t compute, though.  I wonder if that was a dealer special set.   Looking forward to viewing your work tracing the development of the Layout in a Box idea.   Bruce     From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 6:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train-O-Rama display included in set?     I found it.   It is a #109 set offered in 1955.  It was listed on page 18 of Bob Tufts' book.   I just didn't read far enough.   The illustration shows a passenger set headed by a steam engine and containing a pair of switches, but the actual set offered was basically the Silver Flash freight set from 1954 with a 795 Union Station and terminal, as well as the 790 Trainorama display added.  I am working on adding a section to the americanflyerdisplays.org website tracing the development of the "Layout in a Box" idea to its culmination in the All Aboard Sets. Dale On 10/26/2013 2:51 PM, Bruce wrote:     Dale,   Some initial research regarding the #790 revealed the following from the March/April addition of the S Gaugian’s “American Flyer Collector’s Column”, co-written by Dave Garrigues and Peter Jugle:   “The #790 Trainorama was also issued in 1953.  A sales brochure (D1706) indicates that Trainorama was to be sold as #791 at  a retail price of $9.95, but they have only been known to come in “dealer special” sets.   Although it was not really a dealer display, it was the closest thing to a dealer display that was available to the consumer.”   I’ll continue to research this, but nothing in any of the existing guides makes any reference to any set available to the consumer that contained a #790.   Hope this helps somewhat.   Bruce DeGailler, Sr.     From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Train-O-Rama display included in set?     In 1953, AF produced a #790 Train-O-Rama display consisting of a partially 3 dimensional backdrop about 9 feet or so wide.   I seem to recall a set that included this display, but I can't find it.   I checked Vol. 3 of the 3 volume Greenberg set and Bob Tufts book on AF sets.   On page 18 of that latter book there is a very small illustration of what such a set might have looked like, but I am not sure if it is a set, or just an illustration showing how the backdrop might be used.  Any info would be appreciated. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73350	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Crossing Signal Activation

Hi All,   I am about to start setting up crossing signals for all the rail crossings on my layout.  I would like to use a sensor mounted between the rails that detects when a car is about it.  I am thinking about IR but wanted to see what you guys are using.  I have a bunch of the AF weight activated switches but don't want to use them.  I'd prefer something easier to install that also has an adjustable timer.   Thanks for any suggestions!   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73351	From: James Lyle	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Crossing Signal Activation

DALLEE has a revised " Opto-Sensor", so new I doubt the press release is out.   I'll have info etc as soon as available Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:00 PM, <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: Hi All,   I am about to start setting up crossing signals for all the rail crossings on my layout.  I would like to use a sensor mounted between the rails that detects when a car is about it.  I am thinking about IR but wanted to see what you guys are using.  I have a bunch of the AF weight activated switches but don't want to use them.  I'd prefer something easier to install that also has an adjustable timer.   Thanks for any suggestions!   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73352	From: mike_fuschetto	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.

Hi All, I recently purchased an American Flyer set with the original set box.. I cannot read the label and I would like to find out more about it.. The engine is a 303 with pul-mor and smoke, 925 tank, 938 caboose 931 T and P, and 923 IC box...One of the inspection slips in side has a "55".. the box measures 14 1/2 x 17 1/2 x 6.. I checked the Tufts book and I can't find the listing.. Anybody know the set number ? thx .. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73353	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?

Actually Mike Schmidt helped me find others.  Look on page 38 of Tufts' book for sets 109, 117, 118 and 123 (1955).   I have also found the 6SP? (1953) and 11SP? (1954) on page 36.   I think I have found them all by playing "Where's Waldo" with the set listings.    If Gilbert produced these in 1953, they must have produced a lot of them, as it took them 3 years of sets to get rid of them.   I guess it just didn't catch on. Dale On 10/27/2013 4:53 PM, Bruce wrote:     Good find, Dale.  I don’t have Bob Tuft’s book, but have all the others.  That set number (109) doesn’t compute, though.  I wonder if that was a dealer special set.   Looking forward to viewing your work tracing the development of the Layout in a Box idea.   Bruce     From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 6:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train-O-Rama display included in set?     I found it.   It is a #109 set offered in 1955.  It was listed on page 18 of Bob Tufts' book.   I just didn't read far enough.   The illustration shows a passenger set headed by a steam engine and containing a pair of switches, but the actual set offered was basically the Silver Flash freight set from 1954 with a 795 Union Station and terminal, as well as the 790 Trainorama display added.  I am working on adding a section to the americanflyerdisplays.org website tracing the development of the "Layout in a Box" idea to its culmination in the All Aboard Sets. Dale On 10/26/2013 2:51 PM, Bruce wrote:     Dale,   Some initial research regarding the #790 revealed the following from the March/April addition of the S Gaugian’s “American Flyer Collector’s Column”, co-written by Dave Garrigues and Peter Jugle:   “The #790 Trainorama was also issued in 1953.  A sales brochure (D1706) indicates that Trainorama was to be sold as #791 at  a retail price of $9.95, but they have only been known to come in “dealer special” sets.   Although it was not really a dealer display, it was the closest thing to a dealer display that was available to the consumer.”   I’ll continue to research this, but nothing in any of the existing guides makes any reference to any set available to the consumer that contained a #790.   Hope this helps somewhat.   Bruce DeGailler, Sr.     From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Train-O-Rama display included in set?     In 1953, AF produced a #790 Train-O-Rama display consisting of a partially 3 dimensional backdrop about 9 feet or so wide.   I seem to recall a set that included this display, but I can't find it.   I checked Vol. 3 of the 3 volume Greenberg set and Bob Tufts book on AF sets.   On page 18 of that latter book there is a very small illustration of what such a set might have looked like, but I am not sure if it is a set, or just an illustration showing how the backdrop might be used.  Any info would be appreciated. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73354	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.

 Its set #126 from 1955. Richie Premium 101 W 31st New York   Set should also contain: 20 - 702 6 - 700 704 690 1 1/2 transformer 566 747   Box is B1N882   14 X 17.5 X 5.75  GAIR  6-55       ----- Original Message ----- From: mikejoan45@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set identification.   Hi All, I recently purchased an American Flyer set with the original set box.. I cannot read the label and I would like to find out more about it.. The engine is a 303 with pul-mor and smoke, 925 tank, 938 caboose 931 T and P, and 923 IC box...One of the inspection slips in side has a "55".. the box measures 14 1/2 x 17 1/2 x 6.. I checked the Tufts book and I can't find the listing.. Anybody know the set number ? thx .. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73355	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.

My guess would be a #126 uncataloged set from 1955, which would agree with the tag you found inside.   The sets of that year are discussed in Tufts' book at pages 16-18.  From the data in the set contents, it apparently contained the cars you mentioned plus enough track to make an over-under figure eight.  It also contained the cardboard trestle set and a whistling billboard.  Since you purchased this set used, it is possible that the trestle set got damaged or separated from the set in the last 58 years and the billboard could also be missing.  The box size roughly matches what is in Tufts' book.  You might check the box manufacturer and box number.  The manufacturer on the 126 was GAIR and the box number was B1N882.   It was said to be marked as a "Richie Premium" Hope this helps. Dale On 10/27/2013 6:50 PM, mikejoan45@... wrote:   Hi All, I recently purchased an American Flyer set with the original set box.. I cannot read the label and I would like to find out more about it.. The engine is a 303 with pul-mor and smoke, 925 tank, 938 caboose 931 T and P, and 923 IC box...One of the inspection slips in side has a "55".. the box measures 14 1/2 x 17 1/2 x 6.. I checked the Tufts book and I can't find the listing.. Anybody know the set number ? thx .. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73356	From: snstrains	Date: 10/27/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.

Most of the 303 sets are "Black Diamond", but the cars don't match any of those.   Steve Boise   In a message dated 10/27/2013 8:04:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mikejoan45@... writes:   Hi All, I recently purchased an American Flyer set with the original set box.. I cannot read the label and I would like to find out more about it.. The engine is a 303 with pul-mor and smoke, 925 tank, 938 caboose 931 T and P, and 923 IC box...One of the inspection slips in side has a "55".. the box measures 14 1/2 x 17 1/2 x 6.. I checked the Tufts book and I can't find the listing.. Anybody know the set number ? thx .. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73357	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Train-O-Rama display included in set?

 The 790 came in the following sets:   6SP    1953 11SP  1954 109     1955 118     1955 123     1955       From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 6:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train-O-Rama display included in set?     I found it.   It is a #109 set offered in 1955.  It was listed on page 18 of Bob Tufts' book.   I just didn't read far enough.   The illustration shows a passenger set headed by a steam engine and containing a pair of switches, but the actual set offered was basically the Silver Flash freight set from 1954 with a 795 Union Station and terminal, as well as the 790 Trainorama display added.  I am working on adding a section to the americanflyerdisplays.org website tracing the development of the "Layout in a Box" idea to its culmination in the All Aboard Sets. Dale On 10/26/2013 2:51 PM, Bruce wrote:   From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Train-O-Rama display included in set?     In 1953, AF produced a #790 Train-O-Rama display consisting of a partially 3 dimensional backdrop about 9 feet or so wide.   I seem to recall a set that included this display, but I can't find it.   I checked Vol. 3 of the 3 volume Greenberg set and Bob Tufts book on AF sets.   On page 18 of that latter book there is a very small illustration of what such a set might have looked like, but I am not sure if it is a set, or just an illustration showing how the backdrop might be used.  Any info would be appreciated. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73358	From: Paul A Krause	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Crossing Signal Activation

At the CT S-Gaugers club we have been looking at the Azratrax site for driving the MTH O-Gauge crossing signals (with cross arms) for our club layout.  The MTH Rail King Crossing signals are actually very close for S-Gauge/Scale.  If you recess the bases of the units so that the signal posts are at track level height they are very nice looking.  Granted they are not perfect, but in S we do have to compromise somewhat unless you scratch build.    I have a pair and they look really nice, far better than I thought they would when I purchased them to see if they would suffice.  I know there are other manufacturers out there, NJ being one of them.  The NJ International’s are “scale” and less expensive.  At one point I thought there was limited availability.   http://www.azatrax.com/MTH-crossing-signal-wiring.html#gates   http://www.azatrax.com/install-MRD6X.pdf   You should consider what activation detectors to use based on how many tracks you have to monitor.  Since our club layout has 4 tracks, it will be busy, so we have to install a rather extensive configuration.  The more tracks, the more sensors or optical beam across the tracks.  We are leaning toward the infrared beam across the tracks.  We can house the LEDs in some small structure like an electrical box or something.   We have not completely decided yet which manufacturer (Azatrax or Dallee) to use since we have not yet researched the Dallee systems.  It seems that the Axatrax system is good to go with MTH though.   Best Regards   Paul Krause Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Crossing Signal Activation     DALLEE has a revised " Opto-Sensor", so new I doubt the press release is out.   I'll have info etc as soon as available   Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:00 PM, <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: Hi All,   I am about to start setting up crossing signals for all the rail crossings on my layout.  I would like to use a sensor mounted between the rails that detects when a car is about it.  I am thinking about IR but wanted to see what you guys are using.  I have a bunch of the AF weight activated switches but don't want to use them.  I'd prefer something easier to install that also has an adjustable timer.   Thanks for any suggestions!   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73359	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.

Hello,this set was a promotion set given by Speed Queen.this company produced washers and dryers along with many others items.The set I have is a 126s There is an article about the set in Toy train review . Sent from my iPad On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote:    Its set #126 from 1955. Richie Premium 101 W 31st New York   Set should also contain: 20 - 702 6 - 700 704 690 1 1/2 transformer 566 747   Box is B1N882   14 X 17.5 X 5.75  GAIR  6-55       ----- Original Message ----- From: mikejoan45@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set identification.   Hi All, I recently purchased an American Flyer set with the original set box.. I cannot read the label and I would like to find out more about it.. The engine is a 303 with pul-mor and smoke, 925 tank, 938 caboose 931 T and P, and 923 IC box...One of the inspection slips in side has a "55".. the box measures 14 1/2 x 17 1/2 x 6.. I checked the Tufts book and I can't find the listing.. Anybody know the set number ? thx .. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73360	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Crossing Signal Activation

Our club has been very happy with the sensors from Z Stuff. A video is on the club website: https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/videos Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:50 PM, James Lyle <WJJIM@...> wrote:   DALLEE has a revised " Opto-Sensor", so new I doubt the press release is out.   I'll have info etc as soon as available Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:00 PM, <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: Hi All,   I am about to start setting up crossing signals for all the rail crossings on my layout.  I would like to use a sensor mounted between the rails that detects when a car is about it.  I am thinking about IR but wanted to see what you guys are using.  I have a bunch of the AF weight activated switches but don't want to use them.  I'd prefer something easier to install that also has an adjustable timer.   Thanks for any suggestions!   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73361	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: For sale: Gilbert track, switches, & track locks

I have for sale a lot of Gilbert track, switches,  and track locks in various conditions from  rusty to excellent. I have some black rubber  roadbed, mostly thin tie but some  wide, mostly curves but a few straight. Let me know how much you want of what and in what condition. As always, I am selling these on a make offer basis. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73362	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Wire Gauge.

I'm looking to do a re-wire for my layout and was wondering if anyone knows what gauge wire was used on AF accessories. Water Tower, Branford Diner, Aircraft Beacon etc... Anyone?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73363	From: downtowndeco	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Large warehouse flats available again.

I just finished casting a few more of these so they are available again. Free shipping this week + an extra casting too if you buy a set of six. These measure 6 1/4th" tall x 12" each. Originally HO Scale but large HO, so they scale out at 34' tall in S Scale. This week you get 7' of them for $69.95. Use them as a flat or kitbash them into a factory. Great weathered brick detail.Cheers. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Downtown-Deco-Huge-6-Warehouse-Flat-S-Sn3-Scale-structure-building-hydrocal-/121203891889?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1c38509eb1 Randy Pepprock Downtown Deco

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73364	From: edwiehe1	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Converting DC motors to AC...

Check the set # by the box number in that book   ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <mspeichert@...> wrote: Hello,this set was a promotion set given by Speed Queen.this company produced washers and dryers along with many others items.The set I have is a 126s There is an article about the set in Toy train review . Sent from my iPad On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote:    Its set #126 from 1955. Richie Premium 101 W 31st New York   Set should also contain: 20 - 702 6 - 700 704 690 1 1/2 transformer 566 747   Box is B1N882   14 X 17.5 X 5.75  GAIR  6-55       ----- Original Message ----- From: mikejoan45@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set identification.   Hi All, I recently purchased an American Flyer set with the original set box.. I cannot read the label and I would like to find out more about it.. The engine is a 303 with pul-mor and smoke, 925 tank, 938 caboose 931 T and P, and 923 IC box...One of the inspection slips in side has a "55".. the box measures 14 1/2 x 17 1/2 x 6.. I checked the Tufts book and I can't find the listing.. Anybody know the set number ? thx .. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73365	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.

Mark, I am not familiar with Toy Train Review, unless you mean the e magazine at www.toytrainrevue.com.���� I looked there and couldn't find anything.���� Can you give any more guidance? Dale On 10/28/2013 6:28 AM, Mark Speichert wrote: ���� Hello,this set was a promotion set given by Speed Queen.this company produced washers and dryers along with many others items.The set I have is a 126s There is an article about the set in Toy train review . Sent from my iPad On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote: ���� ������ Its set #126 from 1955. Richie Premium 101 W 31st New York ���� Set should also contain: 20 - 702 6 - 700 704 690 1 1/2 transformer 566 747 ���� Box is B1N882�������� 14 X 17.5 X 5.75���� GAIR���� 6-55 ���� ���� ���� ----- Original Message ----- From: mikejoan45@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set identification. ���� Hi All, I recently purchased an American Flyer set with the original set box.. I cannot read the label and I would like to find out more about it.. The engine is a 303 with pul-mor and smoke, 925 tank, 938 caboose 931 T and P, and 923 IC box...One of the inspection slips in side has a "55".. the box measures 14 1/2 x 17 1/2 x 6.. I checked the Tufts book and I can't find the listing.. Anybody know the set number ? thx .. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73366	From: richs009	Date: 10/28/2013
Subject: Re: Crossing Signal Activation

David -- there's a lot of different options, which you have no doubt discovered by Googling model railroad train detection, etc.  Norbert Derry - one of the contributors to this group - has an extensive write up on what he did - you should be able to search on his name and get his download.   A lot of folks favor the IR sensors - I plan to use them - but the question is, how to use them in a circuit.  there are a lot of circuits available.  the Azatrax module looks pretty good, based on a quick scan of their instruction sheet.  If you aren't afraid to tackle building your own circuits, you might check the plans from Rob Paisley (google him).  I'm going to try using an Arduino microprocessor as a means of processing the detection signals and controlling crossing lights, gates, etc.  I'm also going to try to use it for block control also.  The Arduino is pretty cheap - ~$35, plus the add-on boards for additional relays, etc., but it offers the most flexibility and you aren't stuck with someone else's thinking about what the timing ought to be.  Of course, you have to do the programming to set it up, but the programs - called 'sketches' - look pretty straightforward and again there are a huge number of free sketches available just for use with model railroads (the power of google) that cover just about everything. One final thought -  I read somewhere, might have been Norbert's writeup, that cross-track detection (beam interupt) is more reliable than reflection - but I have no direct experience, yet.  One of the problems with reflection with sensors looking 'up' between the rails apparently is the noise cause by room lights or by daylight.  For what its worth Let us know what you decide to do. - rich ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi All,   I am about to start setting up crossing signals for all the rail crossings on my layout.  I would like to use a sensor mounted between the rails that detects when a car is about it.  I am thinking about IR but wanted to see what you guys are using.  I have a bunch of the AF weight activated switches but don't want to use them.  I'd prefer something easier to install that also has an adjustable timer.   Thanks for any suggestions!   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73367	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.

It was one of the first ones TM did.When I get home in three days I will send you the article with pictures Mark Sent from my iPad On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote:   Mark, I am not familiar with Toy Train Review, unless you mean the e magazine at www.toytrainrevue.com.���� I looked there and couldn't find anything.���� Can you give any more guidance? Dale On 10/28/2013 6:28 AM, Mark Speichert wrote: ���� Hello,this set was a promotion set given by Speed Queen.this company produced washers and dryers along with many others items.The set I have is a 126s There is an article about the set in Toy train review . Sent from my iPad On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote: ���� ������ Its set #126 from 1955. Richie Premium 101 W 31st New York ���� Set should also contain: 20 - 702 6 - 700 704 690 1 1/2 transformer 566 747 ���� Box is B1N882�������� 14 X 17.5 X 5.75���� GAIR���� 6-55 ���� ���� ���� ----- Original Message ----- From: mikejoan45@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set identification. ���� Hi All, I recently purchased an American Flyer set with the original set box.. I cannot read the label and I would like to find out more about it.. The engine is a 303 with pul-mor and smoke, 925 tank, 938 caboose 931 T and P, and 923 IC box...One of the inspection slips in side has a "55".. the box measures 14 1/2 x 17 1/2 x 6.. I checked the Tufts book and I can't find the listing.. Anybody know the set number ? thx .. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73368	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73369	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells..  If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referring to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity..      Jim About me:  I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73370	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

I tried searching AC DC on ebay and found that "AC DC CONVERTER REGULATOR" seems to bring up the most relevant results, but am still at a loss... If these are what I need, can they be purchased from Lionel, or MTH, or any other company?? I looked into Black Beetle trucks, and they are apparently AC or DC, not both.. I can't be the first person who's trying to use a smaller motor for an AC powered track..  seems to bring up the most rtesn s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <phuster_6@...> wrote: Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells..  If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referring to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity..      Jim About me:  I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73371	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

Hi Jim, I'll give it a shot. Please pardon a few simplifying omissions. Electric motors work by using electricity to make magnetism. Any wire carrying current will have a magnetic field around it. The motors are designed so that the geometry is just right. One field is in the rotating part and another is in the stationary part. When the rotating part moves to bring its magnet closer to the stationary one, that gives it the spin. Now, the really cool thing is that once the rotating part gets close, the current shuts off in it and switches to another part of the rotating piece. Common hobby motors have 3 or 5 of these magnetic poles. So, the rotating part moves a little and then the next pole tries to move a little and then the next and so on - around and around. Common hobby motors in trains these days use permanent magnets for the stationary part. It has not always been so. It is possible to wrap some wires around the mixed frame and make it into an electromagnet. Older hobby motors were mostly of that sort. There is a stationary winding called the "Field" and the rotating part with several poles called the "Armature". Electricity gets into the rotating poles through the springs, brushes and the commutator. It is possible to set the geometry of all of these pieces just right so that the electricity goes through both the field and the armature in series. Series wound motors can work on either AC or DC. The geometry sees to it that regardless of which phase of the AC is active, the poles and the field line up just right. It really doesn't matter if we use AC or DC to power those motors. No extra parts are required. Let me know what you think. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/29/2013 7:56 PM, phuster_6@... wrote: Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells..  If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referring to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity..      Jim About me:  I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73372	From: mpcantu88	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: AF Diesel engines and parts needed

Hey guys sorry to keep posting on my needs. Recently I bought Tom Barker's book on how to repair AF engines/accessories. I would like to get my feet wet by fixing a couple of engines. I am particularly interested in repairing Diesel engines although I would also take steam locos. Also looking for any parts (armatures, fields, motors, etc for diesels). I have PayPal. Thanks Mike C

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73373	From: snstrains	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: AF Diesel engines and parts needed

SnS Trains in Boise, Idaho has lots of Diesel Fields, armatures, and reversers. Contact al@...   Steve   In a message dated 10/29/2013 7:34:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mpcantu@... writes:   Hey guys sorry to keep posting on my needs. Recently I bought Tom Barker's book on how to repair AF engines/accessories. I would like to get my feet wet by fixing a couple of engines. I am particularly interested in repairing Diesel engines although I would also take steam locos. Also looking for any parts (armatures, fields, motors, etc for diesels). I have PayPal. Thanks Mike C

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73374	From: snstrains	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

You don't need anything special to run MOST American Flyer locomotives. They have a UNIVERSAL motor that runs on AC or DC. The only ones that are different are the DC only ones.   Steve Boise   In a message dated 10/29/2013 6:22:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, phuster_6@... writes:   Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells..  If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referri ng to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity..      Jim About me:  I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73375	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/29/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

Bill's explanation is really good, but if the technical details blow your mind, just read the last two sentences of his fourth paragraph: "It really doesn't matter if we use AC or DC to power those motors. No extra parts are required." The motors Gilbert used in most American Flyer engines are designed specifically to run on either AC or DC with no changes or special parts required. The only exception are those few engines whose catalog number ended with "DC" - they run only on DC,  not AC; running them on AC will damage their motors. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:02 PM, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote:   Hi Jim, I'll give it a shot. Please pardon a few simplifying omissions. Electric motors work by using electricity to make magnetism. Any wire carrying current will have a magnetic field around it. The motors are designed so that the geometry is just right. One field is in the rotating part and another is in the stationary part. When the rotating part moves to bring its magnet closer to the stationary one, that gives it the spin. Now, the really cool thing is that once the rotating part gets close, the current shuts off in it and switches to another part of the rotating piece. Common hobby motors have 3 or 5 of these magnetic poles. So, the rotating part moves a little and then the next pole tries to move a little and then the next and so on - around and around. Common hobby motors in trains these days use permanent magnets for the stationary part. It has not always been so. It is possible to wrap some wires around the mixed frame and make it into an electromagnet. Older hobby motors were mostly of that sort. There is a stationary winding called the "Field" and the rotating part with several poles called the "Armature". Electricity gets into the rotating poles through the springs, brushes and the commutator. It is possible to set the geometry of all of these pieces just right so that the electricity goes through both the field and the armature in series. Series wound motors can work on either AC or DC. The geometry sees to it that regardless of which phase of the AC is active, the poles and the field line up just right. It really doesn't matter if we use AC or DC to power those motors. No extra parts are required. Let me know what you think. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/29/2013 7:56 PM, phuster_6@... wrote: Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells..  If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referring to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity..      Jim About me:  I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73376	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

Can anyone out there please explain to me how American Flyer locos can work on either AC or DC current?? Is there some gizmo between the motor and the rails that converts something to something else??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73377	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

Jim, The secret is a field wound motor.  DC motors have a permanent magnet to provide a magnetic field.  The magnet's polarity can't be changed, so the way to change the direction of the motor is to change the polarity of the voltage to the motor.  If you send AC, which is alternating between positive and negative 60 times per second, the motor will go nowhere and eventually burn itself up. An AC field wound motor uses an electric current (electromagnet) to create the magnetic field through a coil.   This coil is wired in series with the motor's brushes.   Electricity goes from power source to one brush, then from the other brush to one side of the magnetic field coil and from the other side of the magnetic field coil back to the power source.  The power is still alternating from positive to negative at 60 cycles per second, but it doesn't matter to the motor, as the current in the  magnetic field coil is also alternating in sync with the current driving the motor.  This results in a motor that moves, but only in one direction.  The way to reverse it is to switch the leads of the field that go to the power source and one brush of the motor, making the field coil in reverse polarity compared to the  power going to the brushes.  This will cause the motor to run in reverse.   This is done in AC locomotives by use of a reverse unit.  Even if you could find a small enough AC motor, you would also need additional space for a reverse unit.  I think your only practical option for what you want to do is to bite the bullet and use DC power for this handcar.  It is a lot easier to do now than when A.C. Gilbert made his trains.   All you need is a bridge rectifier, a double pole double throw switch for reversing and a case to put them in.  You could add a second double pole double throw switch so you could select AC or DC power for your track.  You should be able to get all this for under $10.   If you are interested, I can give you a wiring diagram to do this.  There are versions of this available on the internet, but probably without the AC/DC selection feature. Dale Smith On 10/29/2013 4:56 PM, phuster_6@... wrote:   Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells..  If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referring to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity..      Jim About me:  I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73378	From: johntech	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

An American Flyer motor is a universal motor. A universal motor is similar to a DC motor with the armature connected in series with the field. If DC is supplied it works like any DC series motor. If AC is supplied, the stator and rotor field strengths will vary exactly in phase with each other. When the AC current changes direction, the stator and rotor fields will reverse at the exact same instant. Therefore, the torque will always be in the same direction even though the fields change direction because the stator and rotor fields always have the same relationship with each other. When connected to AC, torque magnitude pulses at twice the line frequency. ----- Original Message ----- From: phuster_6@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 7:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...??? Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells.. If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referring to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity.. Jim About me: I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up.. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73379	From: Dave	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

You can use a DC motor, powered by AC, only by converting the AC to DC. But this is very easy, via "diodes".  The best and still very cheap deal is a "diode bridge" or "bridge rectifier", which is a 4 legged device available for about a buck. The AC from the tracks goes to 2 input legs, DC comes out of the other 2 output legs. Put the DC to a DC motor and it spins one way, reverse the two leads and it spins the other way.     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of phuster_6@... Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???      I tried searching AC DC on ebay and found that "AC DC CONVERTER REGULATOR" seems to bring up the most relevant results, but am still at a loss... If these are what I need, can they be purchased from Lionel, or MTH, or any other company?? I looked into Black Beetle trucks, and they are apparently AC or DC, not both.. I can't be the first person who's trying to use a smaller motor for an AC powered track..  seems to bring up the most rtesn s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <phuster_6@...> wrote: Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells..  If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referring to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity..      Jim About me:  I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73380	From: Dave	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

Electricity produces magnetism. In a motor, magnetism exists in a field around the outside, and in the armature, such that the force of magnetism pulls and pushes the armature around. The direction, CW or CCW depends upon the relationship of the magnetism of the field and armature. In an AC motor, the relationship does not change when the current switches from one direction to the other. Therefore, alternating current always pulls the armature in the same direction, and DC current will do the same.   To reverse the direction of an AC motor (running on AC or DC), you must change the relationship of field and armature, which is done  by reversing the two wires going to either the field or the armature.   A typical DC motor utilizes a permanent magnet for either the field or the armature, and feeds the DC current to other one. In this case, the magnetic relationship between field and armature depends upon which way the DC is flowing. So, DC motors can be reversed by simply controlling the juice fed to the tracks.            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of phuster_6@... Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Can anyone out there please explain to me how American Flyer locos can work on either AC or DC current?? Is there some gizmo between the motor and the rails that converts something to something else??

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73382	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

Since we're on the subject of motors, How does the resistance value in the field affect the performance of the motor?  I have read that the correct range for the cold field resistance to be between 1-2 ohms.  How does a motor with a 1 ohm field perform compared to a 2 ohm field?  Speed?  Torque? Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:15 AM, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote:   Jim, The secret is a field wound motor.  DC motors have a permanent magnet to provide a magnetic field.  The magnet's polarity can't be changed, so the way to change the direction of the motor is to change the polarity of the voltage to the motor.  If you send AC, which is alternating between positive and negative 60 times per second, the motor will go nowhere and eventually burn itself up. An AC field wound motor uses an electric current (electromagnet) to create the magnetic field through a coil.   This coil is wired in series with the motor's brushes.   Electricity goes from power source to one brush, then from the other brush to one side of the magnetic field coil and from the other side of the magnetic field coil back to the power source.  The power is still alternating from positive to negative at 60 cycles per second, but it doesn't matter to the motor, as the current in the  magnetic field coil is also alternating in sync with the current driving the motor.  This results in a motor that moves, but only in one direction.  The way to reverse it is to switch the leads of the field that go to the power source and one brush of the motor, making the field coil in reverse polarity compared to the  power going to the brushes.  This will cause the motor to run in reverse.   This is done in AC locomotives by use of a reverse unit.  Even if you could find a small enough AC motor, you would also need additional space for a reverse unit.  I think your only practical option for what you want to do is to bite the bullet and use DC power for this handcar.  It is a lot easier to do now than when A.C. Gilbert made his trains.   All you need is a bridge rectifier, a double pole double throw switch for reversing and a case to put them in.  You could add a second double pole double throw switch so you could select AC or DC power for your track.  You should be able to get all this for under $10.   If you are interested, I can give you a wiring diagram to do this.  There are versions of this available on the internet, but probably without the AC/DC selection feature. Dale Smith On 10/29/2013 4:56 PM, phuster_6@... wrote:   Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells..  If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referring to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity..      Jim About me:  I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73383	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: xtrkcad parameter file and layout

I've been playing with xTrkCad and have been messing with a AC Gilbert American Flyer parameter file from BarryL over in the xtrkcad group. He had set the diameter of a circle of standard American Flyer track to 19.34. Unfortunately, I found that didn't quite connect correctly. I modified it so that it was 20" exactly. I based this my recollection that  a 90 degree crossover plus two full tracks and two half tracks plus 3/4 of a circle (9 curve tracks) makes half of a figure 8. I will be creating a folder in the files area to put these in. I will welcome any edits or additions to this and I will try to add to it in the future. I have a 30 degree (?) crossover that I'm planning on adding next. I think after that, I will try to start adding some structures or maybe an accessory track. James

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73384	From: milorod53	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

Hi Bill, great response, it was crystal clear! Milo  ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: Since we're on the subject of motors, How does the resistance value in the field affect the performance of the motor?  I have read that the correct range for the cold field resistance to be between 1-2 ohms.  How does a motor with a 1 ohm field perform compared to a 2 ohm field?  Speed?  Torque? Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:15 AM, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote:   Jim, The secret is a field wound motor.  DC motors have a permanent magnet to provide a magnetic field.  The magnet's polarity can't be changed, so the way to change the direction of the motor is to change the polarity of the voltage to the motor.  If you send AC, which is alternating between positive and negative 60 times per second, the motor will go nowhere and eventually burn itself up. An AC field wound motor uses an electric current (electromagnet) to create the magnetic field through a coil.   This coil is wired in series with the motor's brushes.   Electricity goes from power source to one brush, then from the other brush to one side of the magnetic field coil and from the other side of the magnetic field coil back to the power source.  The power is still alternating from positive to negative at 60 cycles per second, but it doesn't matter to the motor, as the current in the  magnetic field coil is also alternating in sync with the current driving the motor.  This results in a motor that moves, but only in one direction.  The way to reverse it is to switch the leads of the field that go to the power source and one brush of the motor, making the field coil in reverse polarity compared to the  power going to the brushes.  This will cause the motor to run in reverse.   This is done in AC locomotives by use of a reverse unit.  Even if you could find a small enough AC motor, you would also need additional space for a reverse unit.  I think your only practical option for what you want to do is to bite the bullet and use DC power for this handcar.  It is a lot easier to do now than when A.C. Gilbert made his trains.   All you need is a bridge rectifier, a double pole double throw switch for reversing and a case to put them in.  You could add a second double pole double throw switch so you could select AC or DC power for your track.  You should be able to get all this for under $10.   If you are interested, I can give you a wiring diagram to do this.  There are versions of this available on the internet, but probably without the AC/DC selection feature. Dale Smith On 10/29/2013 4:56 PM, phuster_6@... wrote:   Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells..  If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referring to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity..      Jim About me:  I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73385	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

While the experts are explaining all this, please include a treatment about how all this magnetism relates to the ‘faster in reverse’ syndrome…  Thanks in advance!   Ben   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 5:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Electricity produces magnetism. In a motor, magnetism exists in a field around the outside, and in the armature, such that the force of magnetism pulls and pushes the armature around. The direction, CW or CCW depends upon the relationship of the magnetism of the field and armature. In an AC motor, the relationship does not change when the current switches from one direction to the other. Therefore, alternating current always pulls the armature in the same direction, and DC current will do the same.   To reverse the direction of an AC motor (running on AC or DC), you must change the relationship of field and armature, which is done  by reversing the two wires going to either the field or the armature.   A typical DC motor utilizes a permanent magnet for either the field or the armature, and feeds the DC current to other one. In this case, the magnetic relationship between field and armature depends upon which way the DC is flowing. So, DC motors can be reversed by simply controlling the juice fed to the tracks.            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of phuster_6@... Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Can anyone out there please explain to me how American Flyer locos can work on either AC or DC current?? Is there some gizmo between the motor and the rails that converts something to something else??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73386	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: I have Sticker Shock!

Being into S Hi-rail and On30, I don't read Model Railroader or Railroad Model Craftsman as there is far too little of interest to me.  However, at the local hobby shop a couple of days ago, I thought that I might try a Model Railroader to see if I was missing anything important that was developing in the hobby.   As it was the last time I read one, it is still limited to 90% HO about 10% N, and just small ads for other scales.  All the articles on building or doing something for yourself were based on a hobby product for sale, almost ads in themselves.  This is NOT the magazine that I started with way back in the fifties.  Back then they showed you how to build things and you chose were you got the materials to do it.   The big shock I got was how expensive the HO hobby has gotten since I last looked (2009, right before the hobby shop I worked at closed.)   Over $100. for a diesel locomotive in HO?  $200, $300, or more for a plastic steam loco?  $7.50 for a single 36" length of HO flex track?   And these are often SALE prices being advertised.   To be fair, the Chinese have caused a LOT of trouble for all hobby manufacturers in the past couple of years, and the magazines are pushing everyone to buy only DDC and sound equipped locos, both reasons for higher prices.  But if HO is the most visible of all scales and beginners can no longer get a financial foothold in it, what does this do to the rest of us?   Yes, we saw this trend starting to appear back in 2009, with HO and N going to an either/or type of business (either cheapo sets, or high end locos and cars.)  But when the prices for HO are nearing the prices for S and O gauge, something is wrong.   Rebuilding junk Flyer and using modern S rolling stock with it seems to be positively cost effective to me!   I can just see that Templar Knight from "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade" telling me; "You have chosen....wisely."   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73387	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

I am pretty sure that is a mechanical wear issue. Gear teeth, washer slop, worn axle holes, uneven lubrication - those things are the root cause. Not electrical, not magnetic, not weak nuclear force or dark energy. Just good old uneven wear. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/30/2013 1:37 PM, Ben E. Colley wrote: While the experts are explaining all this, please include a treatment about how all this magnetism relates to the ‘faster in reverse’ syndrome…  Thanks in advance!   Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73388	From: snstrains	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

10/4 on the uneven wear.... Steve   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho   In a message dated 10/30/2013 1:03:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, wpporter@... writes:   I am pretty sure that is a mechanical wear issue. Gear teeth, washer slop, worn axle holes, uneven lubrication - those things are the root cause. Not electrical, not magnetic, not weak nuclear force or dark energy. Just good old uneven wear. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/30/2013 1:37 PM, Ben E. Colley wrote: While the experts are explaining all this, please include a treatment about how all this magnetism relates to the ‘faster in reverse’ syndrome…  Thanks in advance! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73389	From: Dave	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

Would if I could!!   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ben E. Colley Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     While the experts are explaining all this, please include a treatment about how all this magnetism relates to the ‘faster in reverse’ syndrome…  Thanks in advance!   Ben   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 5:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Electricity produces magnetism. In a motor, magnetism exists in a field around the outside, and in the armature, such that the force of magnetism pulls and pushes the armature around. The direction, CW or CCW depends upon the relationship of the magnetism of the field and armature. In an AC motor, the relationship does not change when the current switches from one direction to the other. Therefore, alternating current always pulls the armature in the same direction, and DC current will do the same.   To reverse the direction of an AC motor (running on AC or DC), you must change the relationship of field and armature, which is done  by reversing the two wires going to either the field or the armature.   A typical DC motor utilizes a permanent magnet for either the field or the armature, and feeds the DC current to other one. In this case, the magnetic relationship between field and armature depends upon which way the DC is flowing. So, DC motors can be reversed by simply controlling the juice fed to the tracks.            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of phuster_6@... Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Can anyone out there please explain to me how American Flyer locos can work on either AC or DC current?? Is there some gizmo between the motor and the rails that converts something to something else??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73390	From: wjgill1	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

Don't know if this is what you had in mind, but http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic20.htm has a "discussion" on the faster in reverse syndrome in the repair clinics pages. And yes, it is more of a mechanical wear situation. The repair clinic tells you what to go after. Bill in Kelso, WA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > I am pretty sure that is a mechanical wear issue. Gear teeth, washer > slop, worn axle holes, uneven lubrication - those things are the root > cause. Not electrical, not magnetic, not weak nuclear force or dark > energy. Just good old uneven wear. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > The Acreage - Florida > > On 10/30/2013 1:37 PM, Ben E. Colley wrote: > > > > > > While the experts are explaining all this, please include a treatment > > about how all this magnetism relates to the 'faster in reverse' > > syndrome... Thanks in advance! > > > > Ben > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73391	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

Actually not quite. The Flyer motor has a flat commutator which the spring loaded brushes push against . The armature carrying it, with the worm on the end has to have shims to ensure that when power is applied that the worm does not move forward towards the front of the motor and reduce the contact worn brushes might be having with the commutator. If the shims are missing reduced contact results in less power getting through the armature in forward. However in reverse the worm throws the armature  back towards the commutator, giving better electrical contact, so it runs better in reverse. Remember this only happens with worn, dirty bushes and worn or no shims at the lower end of the armature to stop it moving towards the front of the loco. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:02:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?   I am pretty sure that is a mechanical wear issue. Gear teeth, washer slop, worn axle holes, uneven lubrication - those things are the root cause. Not electrical, not magnetic, not weak nuclear force or dark energy. Just good old uneven wear. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/30/2013 1:37 PM, Ben E. Colley wrote: While the experts are explaining all this, please include a treatment about how all this magnetism relates to the ‘faster in reverse’ syndrome…  Thanks in advance!   Ben ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73392	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

I have had the same impression it is getting to expensive for starters and China has made everything more expensive instead of cheaper, I like the sound systems but they will not last and become paper weights, not because of abuse but simple, electronics will break down over the years that is the nature of this type of electronic they erode and for the most part unrepairable after a few years no parts, while we can play and restore trains built in the 40s, and 50s without allot of problems.  On I Love Toy Trains, I was listening to a show about Scale Trains (tin type) and this person stated it a great hobby you can get started with a small set for about $1,000 that floored me, how are we going to get kids into train hobby at high prices, this is not save up you lunch money are cut some yards and go to the hobby store and buy something anymore,  I dont know about prices in the EU but the prices are cutting off new beginners. From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!   Being into S Hi-rail and On30, I don't read Model Railroader or Railroad Model Craftsman as there is far too little of interest to me.  However, at the local hobby shop a couple of days ago, I thought that I might try a Model Railroader to see if I was missing anything important that was developing in the hobby.   As it was the last time I read one, it is still limited to 90% HO about 10% N, and just small ads for other scales.  All the articles on building or doing something for yourself were based on a hobby product for sale, almost ads in themselves.  This is NOT the magazine that I started with way back in the fifties.  Back then they showed you how to build things and you chose were you got the materials to do it.   The big shock I got was how expensive the HO hobby has gotten since I last looked (2009, right before the hobby shop I worked at closed.)   Over $100. for a diesel locomotive in HO?  $200, $300, or more for a plastic steam loco?  $7.50 for a single 36" length of HO flex track?   And these are often SALE prices being advertised.   To be fair, the Chinese have caused a LOT of trouble for all hobby manufacturers in the past couple of years, and the magazines are pushing everyone to buy only DDC and sound equipped locos, both reasons for higher prices.  But if HO is the most visible of all scales and beginners can no longer get a financial foothold in it, what does this do to the rest of us?   Yes, we saw this trend starting to appear back in 2009, with HO and N going to an either/or type of business (either cheapo sets, or high end locos and cars.)  But when the prices for HO are nearing the prices for S and O gauge, something is wrong.   Rebuilding junk Flyer and using modern S rolling stock with it seems to be positively cost effective to me!   I can just see that Templar Knight from "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade" telling me; "You have chosen....wisely."   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73393	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flye motors faster in reverse

I don't know the reason for this either , but in checking out the specs in any Giilbert repair manual , all show a slightly higher speed when running in reverse ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73394	From: johntech	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

 Oh Terry   If you want to "learn" how to build stuff from MR you need to pay MORE money and get access to their new online video shows.   I am looking at Model Railroad Hobbyist site as they have a FREE e-magazine and are soon offering  a similar video option but I don't know at that price... Yet     ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!   Being into S Hi-rail and On30, I don't read Model Railroader or Railroad Model Craftsman as there is far too little of interest to me.  However, at the local hobby shop a couple of days ago, I thought that I might try a Model Railroader to see if I was missing anything important that was developing in the hobby.   As it was the last time I read one, it is still limited to 90% HO about 10% N, and just small ads for other scales.  All the articles on building or doing something for yourself were based on a hobby product for sale, almost ads in themselves.  This is NOT the magazine that I started with way back in the fifties.  Back then they showed you how to build things and you chose were you got the materials to do it.   The big shock I got was how expensive the HO hobby has gotten since I last looked (2009, right before the hobby shop I worked at closed.)   Over $100. for a diesel locomotive in HO?  $200, $300, or more for a plastic steam loco?  $7.50 for a single 36" length of HO flex track?   And these are often SALE prices being advertised.   To be fair, the Chinese have caused a LOT of trouble for all hobby manufacturers in the past couple of years, and the magazines are pushing everyone to buy only DDC and sound equipped locos, both reasons for higher prices.  But if HO is the most visible of all scales and beginners can no longer get a financial foothold in it, what does this do to the rest of us?   Yes, we saw this trend starting to appear back in 2009, with HO and N going to an either/or type of business (either cheapo sets, or high end locos and cars.)  But when the prices for HO are nearing the prices for S and O gauge, something is wrong.   Rebuilding junk Flyer and using modern S rolling stock with it seems to be positively cost e ffective to me!   I can just see that Templar Knight from "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade" telling me; "You have chosen....wisely."   Stumpy in Ahia   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73395	From: i_am_3_16_o	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

OK Dave.. for the most part, I understand about magnetism, fields, and armatures, at least to the point you explained.. but, it's not an answer to my question..  Let's take the AF Baldwin loco as our specimen. It'll run off of an AC powerpack, or a DC powerpack.. How the DC works I understand thru and thru, you can reverse a lot of DC motors by switching the + and - . When the current is switched, so is the N and S of the field, causing the armature to spin in the other direction. AC works a bit different, as there are no permanent magnets, the alternating current causes it's own magnetic field when electricity runs thru the tightly wound uninsulated wires.. I remember making an electromagnet as a kid by wrapping wire around a pencil and hooking up a 6 volt lantern battery.. So, that's the extent of my knowledge on armatures and magnetism.. Is there a part I can buy that will allow me to use a DC can motor in a scratchbuilt trolley?? I want to run AC current thru the rails, but it would be great if I could also use it if I ran DC current thru the rails.. We can use any train locomotive that runs on either current, as long as I can view the diagram of it and the parts list.. It'd be great to fully understand all of this, but I'd be content with a part# if it was small enough.. Could be from Lionel, or American Models, or Radio Shack.. The important thing is that the part be installed in the trolley, not hooked up to the transformer..   ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <davidwin@...> wrote: Electricity produces magnetism. In a motor, magnetism exists in a field around the outside, and in the armature, such that the force of magnetism pulls and pushes the armature around. The direction, CW or CCW depends upon the relationship of the magnetism of the field and armature. In an AC motor, the relationship does not change when the current switches from one direction to the other. Therefore, alternating current always pulls the armature in the same direction, and DC current will do the same.   To reverse the direction of an AC motor (running on AC or DC), you must change the relationship of field and armature, which is done  by reversing the two wires going to either the field or the armature.   A typical DC motor utilizes a permanent magnet for either the field or the armature, and feeds the DC current to other one. In this case, the magnetic relationship between field and armature depends upon which way the DC is flowing. So, DC motors can be reversed by simply controlling the juice fed to the tracks.            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of phuster_6@... Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Can anyone out there please explain to me how American Flyer locos can work on either AC or DC current?? Is there some gizmo between the motor and the rails that converts something to something else??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73396	From: doerryn	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

See "Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains" It provides an explanation of why a universal motor works for both AC and DC as well as explains how the commutator works. http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf Have fun, Norbert Burke, VA --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <phuster_6@...> wrote: > > Can anyone out there please explain to me how American Flyer locos can work on either AC or DC current?? Is there some gizmo between the motor and the rails that converts something to something else?? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73397	From: rhicks308	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...???

Neil: The ohmic resistance in the field windings shouldn't actually affect the performance of the motor.  Measuring the resistance is just a way of checking that you don't have a problem.  If the resistance is near zero, the windings are shorted, and if it's too high, there's a bad connection.  In either case, the motor cannot function properly.    I might also point out that the ordinary multimeters that people like us usually own are not very good at measuring small resistances accurately, so I'm not sure if this test is of much value.  The most common problem I find with fields is opens, which of course a VOM can detect immediately. Randall ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Since we're on the subject of motors, How does the resistance value in the field affect the performance of the motor?  I have read that the correct range for the cold field resistance to be between 1-2 ohms.  How does a motor with a 1 ohm field perform compared to a 2 ohm field?  Speed?  Torque? Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:15 AM, Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> wrote:   Jim, The secret is a field wound motor.  DC motors have a permanent magnet to provide a magnetic field.  The magnet's polarity can't be changed, so the way to change the direction of the motor is to change the polarity of the voltage to the motor.  If you send AC, which is alternating between positive and negative 60 times per second, the motor will go nowhere and eventually burn itself up. An AC field wound motor uses an electric current (electromagnet) to create the magnetic field through a coil.   This coil is wired in series with the motor's brushes.   Electricity goes from power source to one brush, then from the other brush to one side of the magnetic field coil and from the other side of the magnetic field coil back to the power source.  The power is still alternating from positive to negative at 60 cycles per second, but it doesn't matter to the motor, as the current in the  magnetic field coil is also alternating in sync with the current driving the motor.  This results in a motor that moves, but only in one direction.  The way to reverse it is to switch the leads of the field that go to the power source and one brush of the motor, making the field coil in reverse polarity compared to the  power going to the brushes.  This will cause the motor to run in reverse.   This is done in AC locomotives by use of a reverse unit.  Even if you could find a small enough AC motor, you would also need additional space for a reverse unit.  I think your only practical option for what you want to do is to bite the bullet and use DC power for this handcar.  It is a lot easier to do now than when A.C. Gilbert made his trains.   All you need is a bridge rectifier, a double pole double throw switch for reversing and a case to put them in.  You could add a second double pole double throw switch so you could select AC or DC power for your track.  You should be able to get all this for under $10.   If you are interested, I can give you a wiring diagram to do this.  There are versions of this available on the internet, but probably without the AC/DC selection feature. Dale Smith On 10/29/2013 4:56 PM, phuster_6@... wrote:   Can someone please try to explain how the American Flyer steam & diesel locos are able to run off of either AC or DC current? If it's a part, what is it called, and can it be hooked up to any other DC motor, turning it into a AC/DC motor?? I've always wanted a more proportional handcar for my holiday layout, but I use AC, and it's near impossible to find a small enough AC motor.. I'd also like to make a 1950's pickup truck into a small yard plow.. I have a few 4-4-2s I could dismantle for the gizmo, one of those later 'game train' locos, and a pair of Baldwins with cracked shells..  If the gizmo is reasonable enough, I'd just buy it outright, but I haven't the foggiest idea how they accomplish the 2 currents.. If this is something I can buy at Radio Shack or a computer repair center, even better... Please try to use baby words, as my knowledge of electrical terms isn't what it could be, and if you are referring to a particular diagram or part list, please specify which one or where it is.. Thank you from me and all those others who are mystified by this 1940's ingenuity..      Jim About me:  I was fascinated with my Father's favorite childhood toy, his American Flyer train.. We made plans to make a layout together, but he passed away a few months later.. The track is laid, and I'm starting the scenery.. I'd love to run some trolleys eventually, and/or some electric busses with tires instead of rails by converting old Brawa HO busses to S scale. I need small AC motors for both projects, as I plan on sticking with AC, but, what we plan to do and what actually happens don't always match up..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73398	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flye motors faster in reverse

When going in reverse the steam locomotive motor is pushing against the brushes. There is a little less resistance in reverse since the motor is not pressing against the thrust washer in the loco chassis. All you have for a bearing is a flat washer between the armature and the frame. When going forward the motor is drawn against this washer slowing it down. This would have been remedied if a ball bearing was used instead of a flat washer.  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't know the reason for this either , but in checking out the specs in any Giilbert repair manual , all show a slightly higher speed when running in reverse ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73399	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

You can put the bridge rectifier in the trolley and run it from AC or DC, but you won't be able to reverse it unless you put in some kind of a reverse unit.���� Dalee electronics makes a reverse unit that will work with a DC motor and actually does the job of the rectifier also, so I guess that is the magic part you want.���� It looks pretty small so probably you should be able to fit it into your trolley.���� I should have suggested this in the first place.���� See http://www.dallee.com/e_units.htm Dale Smith On 10/30/2013 3:24 PM, phuster_6@... wrote: The important thing is that the part be installed in the trolley, not hooked up to the transformer..��������

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73400	From: tiga34@att.net	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

Kinda makes S and even O look like a bargin. HO has been climbing in price for the past couple of years now. My HO friends are crying the blues. I tell them they could get a lot more nice sized stuff (S) for not to much more then HO. Art Ferguson --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Being into S Hi-rail and On30, I don't read Model Railroader or Railroad Model Craftsman as there is far too little of interest to me. However, at the local hobby shop a couple of days ago, I thought that I might try a Model Railroader to see if I was missing anything important that was developing in the hobby. > > As it was the last time I read one, it is still limited to 90% HO about 10% N, and just small ads for other scales. All the articles on building or doing something for yourself were based on a hobby product for sale, almost ads in themselves. This is NOT the magazine that I started with way back in the fifties. Back then they showed you how to build things and you chose were you got the materials to do it. > > The big shock I got was how expensive the HO hobby has gotten since I last looked (2009, right before the hobby shop I worked at closed.) Over $100. for a diesel locomotive in HO? $200, $300, or more for a plastic steam loco? $7.50 for a single 36" length of HO flex track? And these are often SALE prices being advertised. > > To be fair, the Chinese have caused a LOT of trouble for all hobby manufacturers in the past couple of years, and the magazines are pushing everyone to buy only DDC and sound equipped locos, both reasons for higher prices. But if HO is the most visible of all scales and beginners can no longer get a financial foothold in it, what does this do to the rest of us? > > Yes, we saw this trend starting to appear back in 2009, with HO and N going to an either/or type of business (either cheapo sets, or high end locos and cars.) But when the prices for HO are nearing the prices for S and O gauge, something is wrong. > > Rebuilding junk Flyer and using modern S rolling stock with it seems to be positively cost effective to me! I can just see that Templar Knight from "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade" telling me; "You have chosen....wisely." > > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73401	From: snstrains	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

OK, here's an option for you. Dallee electronics makes electronic reverse units that OPERATE on either AC or DC. The output of the units is DC no matter which input you use.  If there is room in your piece for one, a #518 should be sufficient for a DC motor that draws less than 2 amps.   Steve Boise  In a message dated 10/30/2013 5:01:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, phuster_6@... writes:   OK Dave.. for the most part, I understand about magnetism, fields, and armatures, at least to the point you explained.. but, it's not an answer to my question..  Let's take the AF Baldwin loco as our specimen. It'll run off of an AC powerpack, or a DC powerpack.. How the DC works I understand thru and thru, you can reverse a lot of DC motors by switching the + and - . When the current is switched, so is the N and S of the field, causing the armature to spin in the other direction. AC works a bit different, as there are no permanent magnets, the alternating current causes it's own magnetic field when electricity runs thru the tightly wound uninsulated wires.. I remember making an electromagnet as a kid by wrapping wire around a pencil and hooking up a 6 volt lantern battery.. So, that's the extent of my knowledge on armatures and magnetism.. Is there a part I can buy that will allow me to use a DC can motor in a scratchbuilt troll ey?? I want to run AC current thru the rails, but it would be great if I could also use it if I ran DC current thru the rails.. We can use any train locomotive that runs on either current, as long as I can view the diagram of it and the parts list.. It'd be great to fully understand all of this, but I'd be content with a part# if it was small enough.. Could be from Lionel, or American Models, or Radio Shack.. The important thing is that the part be installed in the trolley, not hooked up to the transformer..   ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <davidwin@...> wrote: Electricity produces magnetism. In a motor, magnetism exists in a field around the outside, and in the armature, such that the force of magnetism pulls and pushes the armature around. The direction, CW or CCW depends upon the relationship of the magnetism of the field and armature. In an AC motor, the relationship does not change when the current switches from one direction to the other. Therefore, alternating current always pulls the armature in the same direction, and DC current will do the same.   To reverse the direction of an AC motor (running on AC or DC), you must change the relationship of field and armature, which is done  by reversing the two wires going to either the field or the armature.   A typical DC motor utilizes a permanent magnet for either the field or the armature, and feeds the DC current to other one. In this case, the magnetic relationship between field and armature depends upon which way the DC is flowing. So, DC motors can be reversed by simply controlling the juice fed to the tracks.            From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of phuster_6@... Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Can anyone out there please explain to me how American Flyer locos can work on either AC or DC current?? Is there some gizmo between the motor and the rails that converts something to something else??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73402	From: nyc17819@...	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: AF Track Radius

The question of radius of standard AF track and it being 19.34 or 20 inches is interesting.  20 inches sounds correct when you know that a figure 8 uses a 10" straight plus a half-straight plus half of the 10 inch long 90 degree crossing to make up the missing quarter of a circle in one half of the figure eight.  The only problem is, Gilbert's design for a figure eight isn't quite exact.  Close enough, but not exact. I calculated the radius as follows: 1.  I measured the straight length from one end of the inside rail of a full curve track to the other end as 9 5/8 inches.  Measure for yourself and see if you get something different.  If someone wants to use a micrometer, they'll get a more precise measurement, but my approach will still work. 2. Half of this 9 5/8 distance is 4 13/16 inches. 3. Because if takes 12 pieces of curved track to a circle of 360 degrees, each piece is 30 degrees.  Half of the 30 degrees is 15 degrees. 4. The Radius, times the sine of 15 degrees equals 4 13/16.  The sine of 15 degrees is 0.2588, so the radius is 4 13/16 divided by 0.2588 or 18.594 inches.  This is the radius of the inner rail, not the centerline radius. 5. S gauge is 7/8 inches, so half of that is 7/16 or 0.4375 inches. 6. The centerline radius is the inner-rail radius plus half the gauge, 18.594 plus 0.4375 or 19.032 inches. If you find a different inner-rail measurement (the straight distance, not the distance along the rail) then you'll end up with a different radius, but I bet it won't be much different! Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73403	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

Fact of the matter is, about 95% of kids, whatever age that is, have too many other distractions to get interested in trains. Among other things, there is just not enough instant gratification In the train hobby. It takes space, time and money to build a layout, and single loop around the living room gets boring pretty quickly. That is why most manufacturers now aim their toy train products towards adults. The next generation of  model train enthusiasts will come from the 40-somethings, not from the 10-year-olds. Same phenomenon has happened in model airplanes. Roy Inman From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:23:14 -0700 (PDT) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!           I have had the same impression it is getting to expensive for starters and China has made everything more expensive instead of cheaper, I like the sound systems but they will not last and become paper weights, not because of abuse but simple, electronics will break down over the years that is the nature of this type of electronic they erode and for the most part unrepairable after a few years no parts, while we can play and restore trains built in the 40s, and 50s without allot of problems.  On I Love Toy Trains, I was listening to a show about Scale Trains (tin type) and this person stated it a great hobby you can get started with a small set for about $1,000 that floored me, how are we going to get kids into train hobby at high prices, this is not save up you lunch money are cut some yards and go to the hobby store and buy something anymore,  I dont know about prices in the EU but the prices are cutting off new beginners.          From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...>  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com  Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:19 PM  Subject: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!            Being into S Hi-rail and On30, I don't read Model Railroader or Railroad Model Craftsman as there is far too little of interest to me.  However, at the local hobby shop a couple of days ago, I thought that I might try a Model Railroader to see if I was missing anything important that was developing in the hobby.   As it was the last time I read one, it is still limited to 90% HO about 10% N, and just small ads for other scales.  All the articles on building or doing something for yourself were based on a hobby product for sale, almost ads in themselves.  This is NOT the magazine that I started with way back in the fifties.  Back then they showed you how to build things and you chose were you got the materials to do it.   The big shock I got was how expensive the HO hobby has gotten since I last looked (2009, right before the hobby shop I worked at closed.)   Over $100. for a diesel locomotive in HO?  $200, $300, or more for a plastic steam loco?  $7.50 for a single 36" length of HO flex track?   And these are often SALE prices being advertised.   To be fair, the Chinese have caused a LOT of trouble for all hobby manufacturers in the past couple of years, and the magazines are pushing everyone to buy only DDC and sound equipped locos, both reasons for higher prices.  But if HO is the most visible of all scales and beginners can no longer get a financial foothold in it, what does this do to the rest of us?   Yes, we saw this trend starting to appear back in 2009, with HO and N going to an either/or type of business (either cheapo sets, or high end locos and cars.)  But when the prices for HO are nearing the prices for S and O gauge, something is wrong.   Rebuilding junk Flyer and using modern S rolling stock with it seems to be positively cost effective to me!   I can just see that Templar Knight from "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade" telling me; "You have chosen....wisely."   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73404	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/30/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

Roy, You may have hit the nail on the head.  The product is now aimed at a different demographic.  Senior or near-senior citizens who have a sizeable amount of disposable income.  Many of these individuals have hit their peak earning years and have the money for all the latest bells and whistles (literally).  But I wouldn't write these individuals off for instant gratification, or at least semi-instant gratification.  Most trains are sold ready to run.   The gratification is instant with the only wait being to get them after they are ordered.  While Flyer was always ready to run, at least there was the effort put in to building a layout.  Now we have professional layout builders who can build whatever you want as long as you have the money to do it.   Many of the customers don't want to model (as a verb) trains, but rather own models of trains. Dale On 10/30/2013 6:21 PM, Roy Inman wrote:   Fact of the matter is, about 95% of kids, whatever age that is, have too many other distractions to get interested in trains. Among other things, there is just not enough instant gratification In the train hobby. It takes space, time and money to build a layout, and single loop around the living room gets boring pretty quickly. That is why most manufacturers now aim their toy train products towards adults. The next generation of  model train enthusiasts will come from the 40-somethings, not from the 10-year-olds. Same phenomenon has happened in model airplanes. Roy Inman From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:23:14 -0700 (PDT) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!           I have had the same impression it is getting to expensive for starters and China has made everything more expensive instead of cheaper, I like the sound systems but they will not last and become paper weights, not because of abuse but simple, electronics will break down over the years that is the nature of this type of electronic they erode and for the most part unrepairable after a few years no parts, while we can play and restore trains built in the 40s, and 50s without allot of problems.  On I Love Toy Trains, I was listening to a show about Scale Trains (tin type) and this person stated it a great hobby you can get started with a small set for about $1,000 that floored me, how are we going to get kids into train hobby at high prices, this is not save up you lunch money are cut some yards and go to the hobby store and buy something anymore,  I dont know about prices in the EU but the prices are cutting off new beginners.          From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...>  To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com  Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:19 PM  Subject: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!            Being into S Hi-rail and On30, I don't read Model Railroader or Railroad Model Craftsman as there is far too little of interest to me.  However, at the local hobby shop a couple of days ago, I thought that I might try a Model Railroader to see if I was missing anything important that was developing in the hobby.   As it was the last time I read one, it is still limited to 90% HO about 10% N, and just small ads for other scales.  All the articles on building or doing something for yourself were based on a hobby product for sale, almost ads in themselves.  This is NOT the magazine that I started with way back in the fifties.  Back then they showed you how to build things and you chose were you got the materials to do it.   The big shock I got was how expensive the HO hobby has gotten since I last looked (2009, right before the hobby shop I worked at closed.)   Over $100. for a diesel locomotive in HO?  $200, $300, or more for a plastic steam loco?  $7.50 for a single 36" length of HO flex track?   And these are often SALE prices being advertised.   To be fair, the Chinese have caused a LOT of trouble for all hobby manufacturers in the past couple of years, and the magazines are pushing everyone to buy only DDC and sound equipped locos, both reasons for higher prices.  But if HO is the most visible of all scales and beginners can no longer get a financial foothold in it, what does this do to the rest of us?   Yes, we saw this trend starting to appear back in 2009, with HO and N going to an either/or type of business (either cheapo sets, or high end locos and cars.)  But when the prices for HO are nearing the prices for S and O gauge, something is wrong.   Rebuilding junk Flyer and using modern S rolling stock with it seems to be positively cost effective to me!   I can just see that Templar Knight from "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade" telling me; "You have chosen....wisely."   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73405	From: Dave	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

Wow, a very interesting analysis, makes perfect sense. I've learned something with my coffee today.  Thanks,  Dave W.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of alizoo@... Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Actually not quite. The Flyer motor has a flat commutator which the spring loaded brushes push against . The armature carrying it, with the worm on the end has to have shims to ensure that when power is applied that the worm does not move forward towards the front of the motor and reduce the contact worn brushes might be having with the commutator. If the shims are missing reduced contact results in less power getting through the armature in forward. However in reverse the worm throws the armature  back towards the commutator, giving better electrical contact, so it runs better in reverse. Remember this only happens with worn, dirty bushes and worn or no shims at the lower end of the armature to stop it moving towards the front of the loco. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   To: < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc:   Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:02:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?   I am pretty sure that is a mechanical wear issue. Gear teeth, washer slop, worn axle holes, uneven lubrication - those things are the root cause. Not electrical, not magnetic, not weak nuclear force or dark energy. Just good old uneven wear. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/30/2013 1:37 PM, Ben E. Colley wrote: While the experts are explaining all this, please include a treatment about how all this magnetism relates to the ‘faster in reverse’ syndrome…  Thanks in advance!   Ben     ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73406	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: AF Diesel engines and parts needed

Hi Mike   You might want to buy new items instead of used simply because you may not know if they work great places to buy parts are Doug Peck portlines   doug@...  Tom Seccia seccia@... has a lot of knowledge about part numbers Todd Metcalf TRAINS&MOREaol.com and Bill Parr BPARRTRAINS@... all are very great for parts also Ron Leventon Hobby Supply only has phone 360 748 3643 hope this will help you good luck Stan Sobieski   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mpcantu@... Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Diesel engines and parts needed     Hey guys sorry to keep posting on my needs. Recently I bought Tom Barker's book on how to repair AF engines/accessories. I would like to get my feet wet by fixing a couple of engines. I am particularly interested in repairing Diesel engines although I would also take steam locos. Also looking for any parts (armatures, fields, motors, etc for diesels). I have PayPal. Thanks Mike C

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73407	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

In my experience, the most common cause for this 'syndrome' is wear in the commutator surface from the brushes causing 'cupping'.  Doug Pecks clinics on the Port Lines site has clear instructions on how to correct this problem.  For me it works a high percentage of the time. Neil in Oregon On Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:49 AM, Dave <davidwin@...> wrote:   Wow, a very interesting analysis, makes perfect sense. I've learned something with my coffee today.  Thanks,  Dave W.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of alizoo@... Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Actually not quite. The Flyer motor has a flat commutator which the spring loaded brushes push against . The armature carrying it, with the worm on the end has to have shims to ensure that when power is applied that the worm does not move forward towards the front of the motor and reduce the contact worn brushes might be having with the commutator. If the shims are missing reduced contact results in less power getting through the armature in forward. However in reverse the worm throws the armature  back towards the commutator, giving better electrical contact, so it runs better in reverse. Remember this only happens with worn, dirty bushes and worn or no shims at the lower end of the armature to stop it moving towards the front of the loco. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   To: < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc:   Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:02:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?   I am pretty sure that is a mechanical wear issue. Gear teeth, washer slop, worn axle holes, uneven lubrication - those things are the root cause. Not electrical, not magnetic, not weak nuclear force or dark energy. Just good old uneven wear. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/30/2013 1:37 PM, Ben E. Colley wrote: While the experts are explaining all this, please include a treatment about how all this magnetism relates to the ‘faster in reverse’ syndrome…  Thanks in advance!   Ben     ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73408	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

Roy- The seeds are no longer Lionel, American Flyer or Marx but they are being planted at an earlier age by Thomas and Chuggington.   30-40 somethings are and always have been the base for Model Railroaders.   We have people coming into the Hobby that were kids during the dark days of Model Railroads when junk Tyco sets were the electric trains of choice and did more to discourage kids than get them interested.    Very few of us carried our interest in trains through teen and young adult years and only a small percentage (maybe 1 in 1000??) become adult Model Railroaders.   I observe the makeup and reaction of people at various public train events and I believe the Hobby has as bright a future as it ever did.   The marketplace is changing due to forces outside the Hobby Industry (retail shop closures) but that is happening to most non-chain businesses as well. Best regards, Charlie Vlk   Fact of the matter is, about 95% of kids, whatever age that is, have too many other distractions to get interested in trains. Among other things, there is just not enough instant gratification In the train hobby. It takes space, time and money to build a layout, and single loop around the living room gets boring pretty quickly. That is why most manufacturers now aim their toy train products towards adults. The next generation of  model train enthusiasts will come from the 40-somethings, not from the 10-year-olds. Same phenomenon has happened in model airplanes. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73409	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

Oh yess big prices. And super detail so poorly tacked on that it falls off if you just look at it the wrong way. Box cars and refrigerator cars nothing but cheap plastic castings with doors molded shut. No interior detail at all. Doors do not operate, what next? Obviously cheap detailed dummy couplers and detailed trucks and wheels molded in one piece. How about a block of douglas fir with details tacked on? The sad direction of the MR hobby industry.... Oh yes that expensive loco, well it breaks down more often than the ones I got for $20 or less. I value all my old stuff! Tony Cynor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73410	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: Something wrong

Please note that I DID NOT send the "sticker shock" message at 2:06 pm today.  I don't know what this message is, other than a copy of something I sent earlier with something else on the front.   I tried to open the "6 other messages" from this post and I cannot.  So I have no idea what's going on.   have I been "NEO'ed"...again?   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73411	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: Something wrong

someone messing with you stump, but its a good statement by someone and caused some chatter at least sometimes we just get downright boring. From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Something wrong   Please note that I DID NOT send the "sticker shock" message at 2:06 pm today.  I don't know what this message is, other than a copy of something I sent earlier with something else on the front.   I tried to open the "6 other messages" from this post and I cannot.  So I have no idea what's going on.   have I been "NEO'ed"...again?   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73412	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

It is going to be hard on train sales, when I was young I had a o gauge train set (didnt know it) and used it to crash into cars models etc etc, and it always ran and never broke, I purchased a HO set and it never worked and breaks when you look at it, Reason I went to S gauge older stuff, but i dont crash them anymore, at least not of purpose, I get great enjoyment repairing and cleaning up the engines from the late 40s, 50s etc, but the thing their repairable, the new stuff for the most part is not are has to go to a shop, we need some Marx trains to get kids started doing more than pushing buttons, something cheep but not cheeply made so it can take some abuse and when kids go into adulthood they will come back into the hobby, like allot of us did, right now the stuff is just too thin to abuse and breaks to easy are just way to expensive, the clubs can show the high end trains but something to smash at home would be fun. From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:19 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!   Roy- The seeds are no longer Lionel, American Flyer or Marx but they are being planted at an earlier age by Thomas and Chuggington.   30-40 somethings are and always have been the base for Model Railroaders.   We have people coming into the Hobby that were kids during the dark days of Model Railroads when junk Tyco sets were the electric trains of choice and did more to discourage kids than get them interested.    Very few of us carried our interest in trains through teen and young adult years and only a small percentage (maybe 1 in 1000??) become adult Model Railroaders.   I observe the makeup and reaction of people at various public train events and I believe the Hobby has as bright a future as it ever did.   The marketplace is changing due to forces outside the Hobby Industry (retail shop closures) but that is happening to most non-chain businesses as well. Best regards, Charlie Vlk   Fact of the matter is, about 95% of kids, whatever age that is, have too many other distractions to get interested in trains. Among other things, there is just not enough instant gratification In the train hobby. It takes space, time and money to build a layout, and single loop around the living room gets boring pretty quickly. That is why most manufacturers now aim their toy train products towards adults. The next generation of  model train enthusiasts will come from the 40-somethings, not from the 10-year-olds. Same phenomenon has happened in model airplanes. Roy Inman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73413	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

$1000.00 for a model train set? Where was this person looking? Macy's? Even American models isn't that high. Depending on if they are on sale you can get one(a set that is) for under $400.00 Walthers has a number of sets in most any scale they sell for well under that. I just bought 2 (two) American Models RS-3's from Jeff Wilson at Hoquat Hobbies however one box was marked S Helper Service but it is an American models locomotive. Total cost to me was $314.00 plus shipping. That was two locomotives for $314.00. I have seen HO models of the RS-3 or even a Geep 7 or 9 going for $189.00 each. So for me S is the bargain.                                                                                                                Bob in Kalispell   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: jad01@... Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:23:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!   I have had the same impression it is getting to expensive for starters and China has made everything more expensive instead of cheaper, I like the sound systems but they will not last and become paper weights, not because of abuse but simple, electronics will break down over the years that is the nature of this type of electronic they erode and for the most part unrepairable after a few years no parts, while we can play and restore trains built in the 40s, and 50s without allot of problems.  On I Love Toy Trains, I was listening to a show about Scale Trains (tin type) and this person stated it a great hobby you can get started with a small set for about $1,000 that floored me, how are we going to get kids into train hobby at high prices, this is not save up you lunch money are cut some yards and go to the hobby store and buy something anymore,  I dont know about prices in the EU but the prices are cutting off new beginners. From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!   Being into S Hi-rail and On30, I don't read Model Railroader or Railroad Model Craftsman as there is far too little of interest to me.  However, at the local hobby shop a couple of days ago, I thought that I might try a Model Railroader to see if I was missing anything important that was developing in the hobby.   As it was the last time I read one, it is still limited to 90% HO about 10% N, and just small ads for other scales.  All the articles on building or doing something for yourself were based on a hobby product for sale, almost ads in themselves.  This is NOT the magazine that I started with way back in the fifties.  Back then they showed you how to build things and you chose were you got the materials to do it.   The big shock I got was how expensive the HO hobby has gotten since I last looked (2009, right before the hobby shop I worked at closed.)   Over $100. for a diesel locomotive in HO?  $200, $300, or more for a plastic steam loco?  $7.50 for a single 36" length of HO flex track?   And these are often SALE prices being advertised.   To be fair, the Chinese have caused a LOT of trouble for all hobby manufacturers in the past couple of years, and the magazines are pushing everyone to buy only DDC and sound equipped locos, both reasons for higher prices.  But if HO is the most visible of all scales and beginners can no longer get a financial foothold in it, what does this do to the rest of us?   Yes, we saw this trend starting to appear back in 2009, with HO and N going to an either/or type of business (either cheapo sets, or high end locos and cars.)  But when the prices for HO are nearing the prices for S and O gauge, something is wrong.   Rebuilding junk Flyer and using modern S rolling stock with it seems to be positively cost effective to me!   I can just see that Templar Knight from "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade" telling me; "You have chosen....wisely."   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73414	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73415	From: alan smith	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

Hey brothers in the hobby,  Hear yea  --- Hear yea  "S gauge"  - stands for sturdy, superior, steadfast, that coincides with reliable, robust, realistic, repairable and long lasting. The new stuff being offered in today's model train market will be in the trash long before they are 50/60 years old.  It's called programmed failure so you buy more. LONG LIVE THE ORIGINAL AMERICAN FLYER. The GILBERT designs reflect on a time when American industry made things to 150% of design strength. These ideals are gone forever - it's now a throw away society - started by Timex. Many industries got sucked in to moving production to China. China sponged the design info and then the knife started to turn. NOW many industry are pulling out of that country - but they are forced to pay the price to get their molds, drawings, manufacturing data, etc., back under their control. In many cases production of a product could be made in the USA with a little ingenuity and expenditure on  plant infrastructure. Lessons learned have proven that a profitable operation is possible, while providing jobs for American workers.  One example: GE is moving appliance production out of Mexico back to the US . The country that does not make things is doomed to be a second rate nation in the long run. Just saying. Cheers, Old Hamilton Doc On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Robert Lampe wrote:   $1000.00 for a model train set? Where was this person looking? Macy's? Even American models isn't that high. Depending on if they are on sale you can get one(a set that is) for under $400.00 Walthers has a number of sets in most any scale they sell for well under that. I just bought 2 (two) American Models RS-3's from Jeff Wilson at Hoquat Hobbies however one box was marked S Helper Service but it is an American models locomotive. Total cost to me was $314.00 plus shipping. That was two locomotives for $314.00. I have seen HO models of the RS-3 or even a Geep 7 or 9 going for $189.00 each. So for me S is the bargain.                                                                                                                Bob in Kalispell   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: jad01@... Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:23:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!   I have had the same impression it is getting to expensive for starters and China has made everything more expensive instead of cheaper, I like the sound systems but they will not last and become paper weights, not because of abuse but simple, electronics will break down over the years that is the nature of this type of electronic they erode and for the most part unrepairable after a few years no parts, while we can play and restore trains built in the 40s, and 50s without allot of problems.  On I Love Toy Trains, I was listening to a show about Scale Trains (tin type) and this person stated it a great hobby you can get started with a small set for about $1,000 that floored me, how are we going to get kids into train hobby at high prices, this is not save up you lunch money are cut some yards and go to the hobby store and buy something anymore,  I dont know about prices in the EU but the prices are cutting off new beginners. From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!   Being into S Hi-rail and On30, I don't read Model Railroader or Railroad Model Craftsman as there is far too little of interest to me.  However, at the local hobby shop a couple of days ago, I thought that I might try a Model Railroader to see if I was missing anything important that was developing in the hobby.   As it was the last time I read one, it is still limited to 90% HO about 10% N, and just small ads for other scales.  All the articles on building or doing something for yourself were based on a hobby product for sale, almost ads in themselves.  This is NOT the magazine that I started with way back in the fifties.  Back then they showed you how to build things and you chose were you got the materials to do it.   The big shock I got was how expensive the HO hobby has gotten since I last looked (2009, right before the hobby shop I worked at closed.)   Over $100. for a diesel locomotive in HO?  $200, $300, or more for a plastic steam loco?  $7.50 for a single 36" length of HO flex track?   And these are often SALE prices being advertised.   To be fair, the Chinese have caused a LOT of trouble for all hobby manufacturers in the past couple of years, and the magazines are pushing everyone to buy only DDC and sound equipped locos, both reasons for higher prices.  But if HO is the most visible of all scales and beginners can no longer get a financial foothold in it, what does this do to the rest of us?   Yes, we saw this trend starting to appear back in 2009, with HO and N going to an either/or type of business (either cheapo sets, or high end locos and cars.)  But when the prices for HO are nearing the prices for S and O gauge, something is wrong.   Rebuilding junk Flyer and using modern S rolling stock with it seems to be positively cost effective to me!   I can just see that Templar Knight from "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade" telling me; "You have chosen....wisely."   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73416	From: calleytwo	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

But don't throw all the Blame on China. It is part of the good old Free Enterprize system started by the Brits in the 18th and 19th century and well and truly embraced by the US in the late 20th century. You pick a third world country, set up or fund an industry to make things you have been producing in your own country but maximise profits by relying on an underpaid workforce in the Third World country. What happens further along the cycle is that these underpaid workers, having more income are encouraged to purchase goods from the better off country in the first instance, get a taste for it and demand higher wages. This is granted as consumer industries grow in the poorer country in need of domestic markets. Eventually they begin to price themselves out of the market and the entrepreneurs and investors go elsewhere. Under government incentives it may even be possible to return production to the home country as government and investors realize they need to encourage domestic consumer consumption, which means home based employment. The other part is of course that quality had little to do with the Chinese themselves in the first instance, the programmed failure was at the request of the US investors and poor quality a consequence of greed on their part to maximize profits. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:56:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!    Hey brothers in the hobby,  Hear yea  --- Hear yea  "S gauge"  - stands for sturdy, superior, steadfast, that coincides with reliable, robust, realistic, repairable and long lasting. The new stuff being offered in today's model train market will be in the trash long before they are 50/60 years old.  It's called programmed failure so you buy more. LONG LIVE THE ORIGINAL AMERICAN FLYER. The GILBERT designs reflect on a time when American industry made things to 150% of design strength. These ideals are gone forever - it's now a throw away society - started by Timex. Many industries got sucked in to moving production to China. China sponged the design info and then the knife started to turn. NOW many industry are pulling out of that country - but they are forced to pay the price to get their molds, drawings, manufacturing data, etc., back under their control. In many cases production of a product could be made in the USA with a little ingenuity and expenditure on  plant infrastructure. Lessons learned have proven that a profitable operation is possible, while providing jobs for American workers.  One example: GE is moving appliance production out of Mexico back to the US . The country that does not make things is doomed to be a second rate nation in the long run. Just saying. Cheers, Old Hamilton Doc On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Robert Lampe wrote:   $1000.00 for a model train set? Where was this person looking? Macy's? Even American models isn't that high. Depending on if they are on sale you can get one(a set that is) for under $400.00 Walthers has a number of sets in most any scale they sell for well under that. I just bought 2 (two) American Models RS-3's from Jeff Wilson at Hoquat Hobbies however one box was marked S Helper Service but it is an American models locomotive. Total cost to me was $314.00 plus shipping. That was two locomotives for $314.00. I have seen HO models of the RS-3 or even a Geep 7 or 9 going for $189.00 each. So for me S is the bargain.                                                                                                                Bob in Kalispell   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: jad01@... Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:23:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!   I have had the same impression it is getting to expensive for starters and China has made everything more expensive instead of cheaper, I like the sound systems but they will not last and become paper weights, not because of abuse but simple, electronics will break down over the years that is the nature of this type of electronic they erode and for the most part unrepairable after a few years no parts, while we can play and restore trains built in the 40s, and 50s without allot of problems.  On I Love Toy Trains, I was listening to a show about Scale Trains (tin type) and this person stated it a great hobby you can get started with a small set for about $1,000 that floored me, how are we going to get kids into train hobby at high prices, this is not save up you lunch money are cut some yards and go to the hobby store and buy something anymore,  I dont know about prices in the EU but the prices are cutting off new beginners. From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock!   Being into S Hi-rail and On30, I don't read Model Railroader or Railroad Model Craftsman as there is far too little of interest to me.  However, at the local hobby shop a couple of days ago, I thought that I might try a Model Railroader to see if I was missing anything important that was developing in the hobby.   As it was the last time I read one, it is still limited to 90% HO about 10% N, and just small ads for other scales.  All the articles on building or doing something for yourself were based on a hobby product for sale, almost ads in themselves.  This is NOT the magazine that I started with way back in the fifties.  Back then they showed you how to build things and you chose were you got the materials to do it.   The big shock I got was how expensive the HO hobby has gotten since I last looked (2009, right before the hobby shop I worked at closed.)   Over $100. for a diesel locomotive in HO?  $200, $300, or more for a plastic steam loco?  $7.50 for a single 36" length of HO flex track?   And these are often SALE prices being advertised.   To be fair, the Chinese have caused a LOT of trouble for all hobby manufacturers in the past couple of years, and the magazines are pushing everyone to buy only DDC and sound equipped locos, both reasons for higher prices.  But if HO is the most visible of all scales and beginners can no longer get a financial foothold in it, what does this do to the rest of us?   Yes, we saw this trend starting to appear back in 2009, with HO and N going to an either/or type of business (either cheapo sets, or high end locos and cars.)  But when the prices for HO are nearing the prices for S and O gauge, something is wrong.   Rebuilding junk Flyer and using modern S rolling stock with it seems to be positively cost effective to me!   I can just see that Templar Knight from "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade" telling me; "You have chosen....wisely."   Stumpy in Ahia   ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73417	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/31/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

On 10/31/2013 3:01 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > *$1000.00 for a model train set? Where was this person looking? > Macy's? Even American models isn't that high. Depending on if they are > on sale you can get one(a set that is) for under $400.00 Wow! $400 for a set? Back in the late '70's when Gilbert had been out of business for over ten years and AF parts were getting scarce, I dabbled in HO briefly. I remember going to the local Woolco store, remember those, and buying Tyco, Ahern, and other brands right off the toy shelf. I probably only spent a few hundred dollars and ended up with a half dozen sets along with a ton of track and scenery. I built a layout on a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood and ran that for a while. It never seemed to be as much fun as the AF stuff, though. I ended up taking it down and boxing it up and I still have it, along with all of the AF stuff from my childhood. Most of the AF stuff still works, just needed a good clean and lube for the most part. Back then, we had to buy "junk" cars at swap meets and yard sales to get repair parts for AF like couplers, trucks, and such. Due to the number of parts dealers now, even most of those "junk" cars have been put back into serviceable condition. The modern stuff has a lot of "gee whiz" factor but like most folks have said, ten years from now you won't be able to repair the electronics. For my own part, I'm sort of a computer hardware hacker and like to make things with Arduino, Raspberry Pi and even my own designs. Since it is not an integral part of the trains, if it becomes obsolete then I can find something else to use. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73418	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: I have Sticker Shock!

Hello Friends, Granted the prices of all new toy and model train products regardless of gauge or scale have gotten high and out of the range of a kid on a budget, which makes our S gauge and our friends O gauge toy trains seem down right competitive. I have not attended a large, all gauge train show in a while, but when I have, the one place where HO seemed to beat S gauge on price every time was in the used and "vintage" category. Old HO trains, accessories, structures were piled on tables at dirt cheap prices for kids young and old to use to fill up their 4'x8' plywood empires. Granted a lot of the stuff was inferior, and we have all heard about the cheap HO or N gauge train set that was so frustrating that it got put away never to be played with again. On the other hand, if a beginner started with a decent (think Athearn or equivalent, as opposed to Tyco) engine, most of the available rolling stock regardless of manufacturer would work well behind it. Used pre-owned and built kits can fill a lot of real estate quickly and cheaply for a new hobbyist, and even new scenery products are not all expensive. Try doing that with vintage AF or Lionel equipment these days. Our vintage trains wear like iron and can be repaired to run for ever, but the HO stuff is affordable for the I am a committed S gauger and AF collector, but I have known a number of beginning modelers, including my own nephew, who have furthered their interest in the hobby through the widely available, reasonable priced supply of HO equipment. When these budding hobbyists get older, if they are kids now, and more settled in life and interest, perhaps they will turn not only to more expensive products, but perhaps also the larger scale models we enjoy so much. The main thing is to get them into the model toy train hobby, and I think the availability of used HO can be a significant factor in that. I think George's story demonstrates that. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Cohn" <gwcohn@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I have Sticker Shock! > On 10/31/2013 3:01 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: >> *$1000.00 for a model train set? Where was this person looking? >> Macy's? Even American models isn't that high. Depending on if they are >> on sale you can get one(a set that is) for under $400.00 > > Wow! $400 for a set? > > Back in the late '70's when Gilbert had been out of business for over > ten years and AF parts were getting scarce, I dabbled in HO briefly. I > remember going to the local Woolco store, remember those, and buying > Tyco, Ahern, and other brands right off the toy shelf. > > I probably only spent a few hundred dollars and ended up with a half > dozen sets along with a ton of track and scenery. > > I built a layout on a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood and ran that for a while. > It never seemed to be as much fun as the AF stuff, though. > > I ended up taking it down and boxing it up and I still have it, along > with all of the AF stuff from my childhood. > > Most of the AF stuff still works, just needed a good clean and lube for > the most part. > > Back then, we had to buy "junk" cars at swap meets and yard sales to get > repair parts for AF like couplers, trucks, and such. Due to the number > of parts dealers now, even most of those "junk" cars have been put back > into serviceable condition. > > The modern stuff has a lot of "gee whiz" factor but like most folks have > said, ten years from now you won't be able to repair the electronics. > > For my own part, I'm sort of a computer hardware hacker and like to make > things with Arduino, Raspberry Pi and even my own designs. > > Since it is not an integral part of the trains, if it becomes obsolete > then I can find something else to use. > > George Cohn > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73419	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: History's UGLIEST Cars?

I ask and give my answer to that question today at http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  .  Detroit has made some really hideous cars over the years, and some may be on your layout!  Compare my list of the real dogs with your own!   NOTE: Starting next week, STUMPY'S MACHINE moves to Thursdays.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73420	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: xtrkcad parameter file and layout

When I try to use the ACG20.000 Track.xtp parameters file it errors during installation.  Any ideas? Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:29 AM, "jimbogodofunix@..." <jimbogodofunix@...> wrote:   I've been playing with xTrkCad and have been messing with a AC Gilbert American Flyer parameter file from BarryL over in the xtrkcad group. He had set the diameter of a circle of standard American Flyer track to 19.34. Unfortunately, I found that didn't quite connect correctly. I modified it so that it was 20" exactly. I based this my recollection that  a 90 degree crossover plus two full tracks and two half tracks plus 3/4 of a circle (9 curve tracks) makes half of a figure 8. I will be creating a folder in the files area to put these in. I will welcome any edits or additions to this and I will try to add to it in the future. I have a 30 degree (?) crossover that I'm planning on adding next. I think after that, I will try to start adding some structures or maybe an accessory track. James

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73421	From: stevew970	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

I believe you have it backwards, When the engine is going forward, the armature is pushed back towards the brushes.  Maybe the slowdown is caused by the commutator rubbing on the brush holders?  I know I suffered from this syndrome in the past, sometimes I fixed it, sometimes not.   Steve Wolcott  ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: In my experience, the most common cause for this 'syndrome' is wear in the commutator surface from the brushes causing 'cupping'.  Doug Pecks clinics on the Port Lines site has clear instructions on how to correct this problem.  For me it works a high percentage of the time. Neil in Oregon On Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:49 AM, Dave <davidwin@...> wrote:   Wow, a very interesting analysis, makes perfect sense. I've learned something with my coffee today.  Thanks,  Dave W.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of alizoo@... Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Actually not quite. The Flyer motor has a flat commutator which the spring loaded brushes push against . The armature carrying it, with the worm on the end has to have shims to ensure that when power is applied that the worm does not move forward towards the front of the motor and reduce the contact worn brushes might be having with the commutator. If the shims are missing reduced contact results in less power getting through the armature in forward. However in reverse the worm throws the armature  back towards the commutator, giving better electrical contact, so it runs better in reverse. Remember this only happens with worn, dirty bushes and worn or no shims at the lower end of the armature to stop it moving towards the front of the loco. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   To: < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc:   Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:02:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?   I am pretty sure that is a mechanical wear issue. Gear teeth, washer slop, worn axle holes, uneven lubrication - those things are the root cause. Not electrical, not magnetic, not weak nuclear force or dark energy. Just good old uneven wear. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 10/30/2013 1:37 PM, Ben E. Colley wrote: While the experts are explaining all this, please include a treatment about how all this magnetism relates to the ‘faster in reverse’ syndrome…  Thanks in advance!   Ben     ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73422	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.

Hello Dale ,the article about the 126S Speen Queen set is in Toy Train Review Vol,1 Number 1 Summer ,1992.The Toy Train Review was produced bt TM Books and Videos. New Buffalo,Mi (219-879-2822 From: Dale Smith <dalefsmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set identification.   Mark, I am not familiar with Toy Train Review, unless you mean the e magazine at http://www.toytrainrevue.com/.���� I looked there and couldn't find anything.���� Can you give any more guidance? Dale On 10/28/2013 6:28 AM, Mark Speichert wrote: ���� Hello,this set was a promotion set given by Speed Queen.this company produced washers and dryers along with many others items.The set I have is a 126s There is an article about the set in Toy train review . Sent from my iPad On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Patrick McElroy" <pmcelroy@...> wrote: ���� ������ Its set #126 from 1955. Richie Premium 101 W 31st New York ���� Set should also contain: 20 - 702 6 - 700 704 690 1 1/2 transformer 566 747 ���� Box is B1N882�������� 14 X 17.5 X 5.75���� GAIR���� 6-55 ���� ���� ���� ----- Original Message ----- From: mikejoan45@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set identification. ���� Hi All, I recently purchased an American Flyer set with the original set box.. I cannot read the label and I would like to find out more about it.. The engine is a 303 with pul-mor and smoke, 925 tank, 938 caboose 931 T and P, and 923 IC box...One of the inspection slips in side has a "55".. the box measures 14 1/2 x 17 1/2 x 6.. I checked the Tufts book and I can't find the listing.. Anybody know the set number ? thx .. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73423	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: Set identification.

Hello the 126S set contains 303,942,940,926,930. Mark  From: Patrick McElroy <pmcelroy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; mikejoan45@... Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set identification.    Its set #126 from 1955. Richie Premium 101 W 31st New York   Set should also contain: 20 - 702 6 - 700 704 690 1 1/2 transformer 566 747   Box is B1N882   14 X 17.5 X 5.75  GAIR  6-55       ----- Original Message ----- From: mikejoan45@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Set identification.   Hi All, I recently purchased an American Flyer set with the original set box.. I cannot read the label and I would like to find out more about it.. The engine is a 303 with pul-mor and smoke, 925 tank, 938 caboose 931 T and P, and 923 IC box...One of the inspection slips in side has a "55".. the box measures 14 1/2 x 17 1/2 x 6.. I checked the Tufts book and I can't find the listing.. Anybody know the set number ? thx .. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73424	From: calleytwo	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?

Nope - you have it backwards. Sorry. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 01 Nov 2013 11:20:10 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: American Flyer AC/DC motors...?   I believe you have it backwards, When the engine is going forward, the armature is pushed back towards the brushes.  Maybe the slowdown is caused by the commutator rubbing on the brush holders?  I know I suffered from this syndrome in the past, sometimes I fixed it, sometimes not.   Steve Wolcott  ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: In my experience, the most common cause for this 'syndrome' is wear in the commutator surface from the brushes causing 'cupping'.  Doug Pecks clinics on the Port Lines site has clear instructions on how to correct this problem.  For me it works a high percentage of the time. Neil in Oregon On Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:49 AM, Dave <davidwin@...> wrote:   Wow, a very interesting analysis, makes perfect sense. I've learned something with my coffee today.  Thanks,  Dave W.   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of alizoo@... Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?     Actually not quite. The Flyer motor has a flat commutator which the spring loaded brushes push against . The armature carrying it, with the worm on the end has to have shims to ensure that when power is applied that the worm does not move forward towards the front of the motor and reduce the contact worn brushes might be having with the commutator. If the shims are missing reduced contact results in less power getting through the armature in forward. However in reverse the worm throws the armature  back towards the commutator, giving better electrical contact, so it runs better in reverse. Remember this only happens with worn, dirty bushes and worn or no shims at the lower end of the armature to stop it moving towards the front of the loco. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   To: < S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Cc:   Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:02:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer AC/DC motors...?   I am pretty sure that is a mechanical wear issue. Gear teeth, washer slop, worn axle holes, uneven lubrication - those things are the root cause. Not electrical, not magnetic, not weak nuclear force or dark energy. Just good old uneven wear. Bill On 10/30/2013 1:37 PM, Ben E. Colley wrote: While the experts are explaining all this, please include a treatment about how all this magnetism relates to the ‘faster in reverse’ syndrome…  Thanks in advance!   Ben     ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ ___,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (15) Recent Activity: New Members 1 Visit Your Group Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrainsorg/gallery/ Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73425	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: Re: AF Track Radius

Chris,   There have been many lively discussions of AF track radius on the Group over the years.  At one time we seemed to have settled on the "exact" radius based on text references, physical measurements and mathematics.  Unfortunately since the Yahoo "upgrade" I have no idea how to search the Archives now.  If someone can tell us how to search the Archives it will be easy to research the "track radius" conundrum.   David   ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The question of radius of standard AF track and it being 19.34 or 20 inches is interesting.  20 inches sounds correct when you know that a figure 8 uses a 10" straight plus a half-straight plus half of the 10 inch long 90 degree crossing to make up the missing quarter of a circle in one half of the figure eight.  The only problem is, Gilbert's design for a figure eight isn't quite exact.  Close enough, but not exact. I calculated the radius as follows: 1.  I measured the straight length from one end of the inside rail of a full curve track to the other end as 9 5/8 inches.  Measure for yourself and see if you get something different.  If someone wants to use a micrometer, they'll get a more precise measurement, but my approach will still work. 2. Half of this 9 5/8 distance is 4 13/16 inches. 3. Because if takes 12 pieces of curved track to a circle of 360 degrees, each piece is 30 degrees.  Half of the 30 degrees is 15 degrees. 4. The Radius, times the sine of 15 degrees equals 4 13/16.  The sine of 15 degrees is 0.2588, so the radius is 4 13/16 divided by 0.2588 or 18.594 inches.  This is the radius of the inner rail, not the centerline radius. 5. S gauge is 7/8 inches, so half of that is 7/16 or 0.4375 inches. 6. The centerline radius is the inner-rail radius plus half the gauge, 18.594 plus 0.4375 or 19.032 inches. If you find a different inner-rail measurement (the straight distance, not the distance along the rail) then you'll end up with a different radius, but I bet it won't be much different! Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73426	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/1/2013
Subject: LTI Northern Tires

Reproduction tires are now available for the Lionel produced (LTI) Northern locomotives. These tires are no longer available from Lionel and are a perfect snug fit, but it is recommended that SuperGlue Gel be used to ensure better life. Cost is $2 each including instructions plus $2 S&H (regardless of quantity).   Joe   NOTE:  I only have LTI (Lionel) AF parts for sale. I do not sell any Gilbert prewar or postwar AF parts.   Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73427	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: AF #977 Lantern Man (Advertisement

We are getting our parts together and in the near future we will be offering the LANTERN MAN for the AF #977 action caboose with an operating L.E.D. lantern (red or green lantern). This little guy will come with instructions. Please let us know what you all think about this new offering. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73428	From: m.harvazinski	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: Information on AF 5-digit seam engine boxes.

Hello,   I am wondering if anyone can provide me with a resources or some information on determining the correct boxes for AF 5-digit steam engines, specifically the boxes that start with XA-.    Thank you, Matt Harvazinski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73429	From: paflyrman	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: Off Topic - Message Glitch

When everyone was struggling with the changes brought about by the new Neo system, we were getting a new computer and changing from Windows 7 to Windows 8. Now when we get our messages as before in daily digest format any links provided to other websites are no longer clickable for viewing. Does anyone know how to fix this?   Herb paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73430	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/3/2013, 6:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 3, 2013 Time:   6:00 pm - 12:30 am (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73431	From: Sam and Judy W.	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: Re: LTI Northern Tires

Joe, What's the story on my Lionel 4501? Sam W.   seaboard2@verizon.net.     On 11/01/13, Joseph Haenn<joestrainrepair@yahoo.com> wrote:     Reproduction tires are now available for the Lionel produced (LTI) Northern locomotives. These tires are no longer available from Lionel and are a perfect snug fit, but it is recommended that SuperGlue Gel be used to ensure better life. Cost is $2 each including instructions plus $2 S&H (regardless of quantity).   Joe   NOTE:  I only have LTI (Lionel) AF parts for sale. I do not sell anyGilbert prewar or postwar AF parts.   Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@yahoo.com ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73432	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: Lionel Flyer SD70 UP Non-Powered AF 48167

Anyone know where I can find one of these? Lionel and all the major mail order house are out of stock. Probably only ones are Hobby shop shelves. Thanks Guys

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73433	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: Flyer K335 Question

Greetings! Am working on a K335 which has prompted a great deal of "head scratching". I am able to run the engine on the bench with leads from the transformer to the tender.....all expected parts work. In hooking up the whistle controller to a track section per directions, to check the "whistle", pushing the controller button produces a "whistle" and also cycles the reverse unit .... the transformer button does not cycle the the reverse unit in this setting. I have checked the wires for location but my repair manuals conceal, cloth cover, the wires from the jack panel to the reverse unit, so I can't be sure of the correct locations. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the harness? I start at the red dot and move to the right with the numbers 1,2,3, and 4, for the pins. Your thoughts on what might be happening will be greatly appreciated! My thanks and best wishes, Charlie in West Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73434	From: 1sodak	Date: 11/2/2013
Subject: 974 Automatic Box Car

Hi,   I have a 974 Automatic Box Car for which the ejector mechanism works great, but my problem is with the roller conveyor system that is supposed to move the boxes from the input end down to the ejector.  I have tried everything on these rollers but just cannot get them to roll free enough to allow the box to move down.  They seem to roll fine when I run a finger over them, but they do not "spin" as I suppose they should.    I have tried silicon lubricant and when that didn't work I tried light oil.  Neither of these did the job.  Any suggestions?   Thanks, Michael Fjordback

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73435	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Re: 974 Automatic Box Car

Michael,   You might want to try cleaning off all the oil and then apply a bit of graphite as a lubricant.  I’ve found that “Lock-Ease” (which contains the graphite in a penetrating fluid that evaporates after application to leave behind a thin film of graphite) works pretty well.   Jerry F.      From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mfjordba@... Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 9:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 974 Automatic Box Car     Hi,   I have a 974 Automatic Box Car for which the ejector mechanism works great, but my problem is with the roller conveyor system that is supposed to move the boxes from the input end down to the ejector.  I have tried everything on these rollers but just cannot get them to roll free enough to allow the box to move down.  They seem to roll fine when I run a finger over them, but they do not "spin" as I suppose they should.    I have tried silicon lubricant and when that didn't work I tried light oil.  Neither of these did the job.  Any suggestions?   Thanks, Michael Fjordback

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73436	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer K335 Question

Hi Charlie   Doug peck has wire diagrams on his repair web site doug@... good luck   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Hancock Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 11:00 PM To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer K335 Question     Greetings! Am working on a K335 which has prompted a great deal of "head scratching". I am able to run the engine on the bench with leads from the transformer to the tender.....all expected parts work. In hooking up the whistle controller to a track section per directions, to check the "whistle", pushing the controller button produces a "whistle" and also cycles the reverse unit .... the transformer button does not cycle the the reverse unit in this setting. I have checked the wires for location but my repair manuals conceal, cloth cover, the wires from the jack panel to the reverse unit, so I can't be sure of the correct locations. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the harness? I start at the red dot and move to the right with the numbers 1,2,3, and 4, for the pins. Your thoughts on what might be happening will be greatly appreciated! My thanks and best wishes, Charlie in West Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73437	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Re: Flyer K335 Question

-----Original Message----- From: Charles Hancock <charles_hancock@...> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 3, 2013 12:42 am Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer K335 Question   Greetings! Am working on a K335 which has prompted a great deal of "head scratching". I am able to run the engine on the bench with leads from the transformer to the tender.....all expected parts work. In hooking up the whistle controller to a track section per directions, to check the "whistle", pushing the controller button produces a "whistle" and also cycles the reverse unit .... the transformer button does not cycle the the reverse unit in this setting. I have checked the wires for location but my repair manuals conceal, cloth cover, the wires from the jack panel to the reverse unit, so I can't be sure of the correct locations. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the harness? I start at the red dot and move to the right with the numbers 1,2,3, and 4, for the pins. Your thoughts on what might be happening will be greatly appreciated! My thanks and best wishes, Charlie in West Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73438	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/3/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 3, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73439	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.s

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   Reminder, S-Fest Nov 1-3, 2013, Registration forms at; http://www.state-linesgaugers.org/   Date:   Monday November 4, 2013 Time:   1:00 am - 1:30 am (GMT+00:00) Location:   Holiday Inn Express, Janesville, WI   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73440	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Re: 974 Automatic Box Car

All those liquid lubricants tend to hang around and gather dust, which re-creates your problem! Open it up again and clean those rollers (including the ends where they are supported in the ramp) with some tuner cleaner which will evaporate away. Dry it of any remaining residue as best you can (with “canned air” for example). And don’t lube it again. Waxing the bottom (& top) surface of those merchandise cubes will also help.  And clean and wax the surface of the ramp on the Baggage Loader accessory, if you use one, will greatly improve the loading process as well.   <<< They seem to roll fine when I run a finger over them, but they do not "spin" as I suppose they should. I have tried silicon lubricant and when that didn't work I tried light oil. Neither of these did the job. Any suggestions? >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73441	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisemen

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below:   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234   Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73442	From: traindavid	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: Re: OT Message Glitch

Herb, Yes, simple solution: get RID of Windows 8--it isn't engineered for a desktop PC, it's designed for smart phones and the like with touch screens! Another great product brought to you by MS, who considers the PC a dead end--EVERYBODY will exist in the "cloud" -- right; where I live there is still no cell coverage, no Cable, just a corroded copper hardwired line the the phone company office that sometimes you can talk over! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73443	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertiseme

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below:   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234   Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73444	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: LBR #13977 Rubber Man w/operating red lantern (Advertisement)

We now have a very limited supply of our #13977 RUBBER MAN W/OPERATING LED Lantern available. Shipping time is approx. 10 working days. View/Purchase at:   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html   LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73445	From: Eric	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: S Helper Trains - FOR SALE

November 2,-2013  Selling the last items from an Estate I bought in late 2012   Please note that everything has Kadee style couplers and high rail wheels.  I do not have the Knuckle couplers or the scale wheels as the prior owner traded them away.  I may be able to find a few scale wheels if you need for a car of 2. Let me know what you need.   3 - S Helper Service Bulkhead Flat Cars:  $45 each   Xxxxx CP Black Monsanto Load  505012  (not correct box) 00333  GN 60403  Carrier load 00334  GN 60342  Weyerhauser load   26 – S Helper Service PS2 2 bay Hoppers.$35 each   00416  Ann Arbor  AA781 Xxxxx  Ill cent gulf  701758  not correct box Xxxxx  INCO  HWCX  41012  (not correct box) 00409  Central Soya  CSX 154  Ladder has been glued. 00009  ASTF  87421 (Have 4)  001143 BN 424703  Gray top/green base (have 1)  01143  BN 424703  all gray (have 2)  xxxxx  BN  424794  all gray (have 5)  00083  BN 424723  (all green,  small BN logo) (have 7)  00040  BN 424702  Green  mid size logo (have 2)  00012  BN 42471  Green huge logo Green top, Gray base.    SHelper Flat car Pair  $50 for the pair.    00169 and 00260,  BN green,  629052 and 629091.  Load is custom, one has 3 large wheel tire sets and the other has some equipment  which would be assembled with the tires on site.   2 DesPlaines 53 foot Boxcars. $40 each   One CNW yellow One Ralston Purina red.   Please note that this is from an estate, everything is used somewhat but most look like new and have an original box. I have not been able to check the minute details on all these cars  but will check over anything before it is shipped out.  Not correct box means the label on the box is incorrect. Make me an offer !    Add postage - USPS which has gotten more expensive. Individual cars cost about $7 to ship but multiples are not that much more. I can send a picture if needed.  Make me an offer on any or all.   Eric Reis,    Kenmore, Wa 98028

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73446	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/3/2013
Subject: For Sale: 36 years of S Gaugians

One of my clients has 162 S Gaugians available, almost every issue back to 1985, plus 18 more issues between 1977 and 1984. He says they're in very good condition, not new, but not torn or water soaked. I haven't seen them myself. He's asking two dollars per issue, but is open to all offers, especially in quantity. Make me an offer on whatever you want - one, a few, a lot, or all of them. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73447	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT message glitch

David is definitely on to something.  This same explanation is coming up over and over on other Yahoo Groups and with IT professionals.  Windows 8 is a touch screen biased system that is a disaster for  regular computers.  There is also a common theory going around that Yahoo changed formats after MicroShaft bailed them out financially.   The guy who built my new computer (in June) would not even put "Windows Hate" in it.  He custom builds and repairs computers for a living and says the system is badly flawed and full of bugs, about as bad as Vista when it came out.  He also says that there is a movement in the electronics industry to force everyone to regularly "upgrade" to keep the electronic companies in big bucks.    I'd much rather spend my time and money on my hobbies than to constantly upgrade my computer to TALK about my hobbies!  But maybe I'm becoming a dinosaur?   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73448	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: "Prairie Dog" part 3 is posted.

Part Three of the "Prairie Dog" 2-6-2 kitbash project is now posted in the Stumpy's Station section of Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website at http://myflyertrains.org .   In this segment we start on the boiler shell modifications to "back date" the locomotive slightly.  Enjoy.   Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73449	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: Information on AF 5-digit seam engine boxes.

Hi Matt Are you looking for set box information ?? I have a list that I have been working on with bin numbers size and company that made them this list is not complete but you are welcome to a copy if you want it ease e mail me americanflyer@... stan Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID mattharvazinski@... wrote:   Hello,   I am wondering if anyone can provide me with a resources or some information on determining the correct boxes for AF 5-digit steam engines, specifically the boxes that start with XA-.    Thank you, Matt Harvazinski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73450	From: poniaj	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT message glitch

Stumpy, I have heard the same thing from the techies I know.  I will keep my present system as long as I can.  Giving up XP was hard, but since I was basically forced to do so when my old machine died, I went to Windows 7 and skipped VIsta all together.  I'm glad I did.  However I am shocked that regular "upgrades" are foisted upon us so that the companies can make money!  Shocked, I say!  Oh well, today's project involves getting a 293 junk box Flyer steamer operational.  Gotta sign off... Jerry Poniatowski Bashasaurus Rex ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: David is definitely on to something.  This same explanation is coming up over and over on other Yahoo Groups and with IT professionals.  Windows 8 is a touch screen biased system that is a disaster for  regular computers.  There is also a common theory going around that Yahoo changed formats after MicroShaft bailed them out financially.   The guy who built my new computer (in June) would not even put "Windows Hate" in it.  He custom builds and repairs computers for a living and says the system is badly flawed and full of bugs, about as bad as Vista when it came out.  He also says that there is a movement in the electronics industry to force everyone to regularly "upgrade" to keep the electronic companies in big bucks.    I'd much rather spend my time and money on my hobbies than to constantly upgrade my computer to TALK about my hobbies!  But maybe I'm becoming a dinosaur?   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73451	From: Dave	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT message glitch

From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mrstumpy@... Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 6:18 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: OT message glitch     David is definitely on to something.  This same explanation is coming up over and over on other Yahoo Groups and with IT professionals.  Windows 8 is a touch screen biased system that is a disaster for  regular computers.  There is also a common theory going around that Yahoo changed formats after MicroShaft bailed them out financially. New computers come with Windows 8 or 8.1, and it makes far more sense to get used to it then installing an older OS.  I use the old format screen for most everything, without issues now that I am used to a few idiosyncrasies.  This includes all the older Office pieces, visual Basic, IE, Outlook, etc. New offerings will be unavailable to older OS users, holding out will ultimately fail. The guy who built my new computer (in June) would not even put "Windows Hate" in it.  He custom builds and repairs computers for a living and says the system is badly flawed and full of bugs, about as bad as Vista when it came out.  He also says that there is a movement in the electronics industry to force everyone to regularly "upgrade" to keep the electronic companies in big bucks.  A conspiracy theory is not needed to explain the simple fact that technology continues to improve and obsolete the old by its very nature. In some cases it means throw away stuff, but my father's Oldsmobile would not run for 300K miles, its finish would dull in just a few years, it had no cruise, gulped gas, handled badly, was bad in snow and less safe in all circumstances. I would not trade my TV, digital camera, GPS, portable tools, cell phone,  Kindle, or wireless printer for any part of the old technology. I do like my trains, Hammond organ, and old radios however.      I'd much rather spend my time and money on my hobbies than to constantly upgrade my computer to TALK about my hobbies!  But maybe I'm becoming a dinosaur?  Me too, and I'm an old software engineer. Something happened so user friendly become user overwhelming with unnecessary features.  But like the new car that requires we go through "setup", @#$$%$, we just gotta do it!   Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73452	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT message glitch

I have Windows 8 on this new computer. Not sure I have ever upgraded an OS to a new version on an older computer. In any case, this system is not bad. Many things work more smoothly than the older systems I have had and still have. With one click of the mouse, I get the home screen into desktop mode in the way I am used to having it. After that, new hardware and software installs very fast and reliably. My older programs all run. Sure, they have hidden some of the OS features I used occasionally. But, I can find them and make them readily available. Is it the new computer or the new OS that I like? Well, both is the best answer. This computer is fast and has lots of capacity. It is the sort of thing a new version of the OS is meant to run with. I still don't like the entire NEO experience, but, that is because they changed the User Interface and have still not included all the features I liked on the old UI. I can live with it. As far as trains go, I have no command control systems on my trains. No TMCC, no DCS, no Proto-x, no Legacy, no DCC, no Astrack, no CTI, no CTC-16, in fact none of it. I do wish I could buy modern production trains without all of that gorp and get the benefits of better alloy wheels, can motors and reliable reverse units for when I am running on AC. The manufacturer's marketeers seem to be convinced that only a few old guys like me would be interested in that. So, they do not make them that way. It is OK, I have plenty of trains - far more than will fit on my layout. They just require maintenance. Cleaning and oiling are way more fun than whining. Bill PS I have been earning my living programming and using computers since 1969 when I chose to stop teaching HS kids and start teaching computers to read, write and do sums. Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 11/4/2013 6:18 AM, mrstumpy@... wrote: David is definitely on to something.  This same explanation is coming up over and over on other Yahoo Groups and with IT professionals.  Windows 8 is a touch screen biased system that is a disaster for  regular computers.  There is also a common theory going around that Yahoo changed formats after MicroShaft bailed them out financially.  The guy who built my new computer (in June) would not even put "Windows Hate" in it.  He custom builds and repairs computers for a living and says the system is badly flawed and full of bugs, about as bad as Vista when it came out.  He also says that there is a movement in the electronics industry to force everyone to regularly "upgrade" to keep the electronic companies in big bucks.   I'd much rather spend my time and money on my hobbies than to constantly upgrade my computer to TALK about my hobbies!  But maybe I'm becoming a dinosaur?  Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73453	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: LED People ;o) (Advertisement)

We have noticed that the  #13977 rubber man with the red LED lantern can be used not only in #977 caboose and the #978 observation car but on almost any car you can name. Just install electrical pick up trucks and wire the little guy to the trucks and you will have a NEW SHOW STOPPER at your next meet.      We may be coming out with other ILLUMINATED PEOPLE just to keep the brakeman company in the future. We will appreciate your input on this idea.      Thank you all for your continuing support. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73454	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT message glitch

On 11/4/2013 4:18 AM, mrstumpy@... wrote: > David is definitely on to something. This same explanation is coming up > over and over on other Yahoo Groups and with IT professionals. > Windows 8 is a touch screen biased system that is a disaster for > regular computers. I teach Windows 7, Server 2008, and Linux at the local community college. My boss asked me when did we want to switch to teaching 8? I installed it in a virtual machine on my laptop and showed him that it is not meant for any conventional computers but for touch screens. It looks like it was designed to sell apps in the MS store as many of the apps do not work unless you sign up for a MS Live account. Installation is painful and they ask way too many personal questions during install. I don't see corporate America buying into it anytime soon as the cost would be prohibitive to replace all of the monitors with touch screens. It may very well turn out to be the new ME or Vista which was ignored wholesale by large companies. Better to stick with 7. It is an improvement over XP but still not the greatest. If Win 8.1 was the only GUI based OS for pc's, I would switch to Ubuntu Linux in a heart flash. Sort of like old AF, older versions of Windows can be repaired and seem to run forever! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73455	From: 1sodak	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: 974 Automatic Box Car

Thanks for all the imput.  I did clean away all of oil, and lubricated with a spray silicone spray and before it was dry, I 'puffed' on some powdered graphite from Hob-E-Lube.  Additionally I waxed the crates (I had already waxed the cute on the box loader).  After all that, it works!!   Thanks for all the help   Michael Fjordback  ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <doug@...> wrote: All those liquid lubricants tend to hang around and gather dust, which re-creates your problem! Open it up again and clean those rollers (including the ends where they are supported in the ramp) with some tuner cleaner which will evaporate away. Dry it of any remaining residue as best you can (with “canned air” for example). And don’t lube it again. Waxing the bottom (& top) surface of those merchandise cubes will also help.  And clean and wax the surface of the ramp on the Baggage Loader accessory, if you use one, will greatly improve the loading process as well.   <<< They seem to roll fine when I run a finger over them, but they do not "spin" as I suppose they should. I have tried silicon lubricant and when that didn't work I tried light oil. Neither of these did the job. Any suggestions? >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73456	From: whutton	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: S Fest Janesville Wisconsin

2013 S Fest Janesville Wisconsin   Wanted to give my perspective on the just completed S Fest held for the first time in Janesville Wisconin. The Holiday Inn Express was the site, and even though there was remodeling going on the facility was more than adequate and the 99.00 room rate seemed reasonable. The trading floor was crowded with numerous vendors. As a vendor my only complaint was the narrow area between the tables meaning that vendors were pretty crammed together in some situations. From the perspective of my fellow Kansas City Vendors, Paul Stevens, Dan Hartman and myself sales were pretty good, with a nice mix of longtime S Fest attendees and folks with whom I had never visited before. Don Heimberger was present with a nice selection of Publications as well as new and used rolling stock. John Heck had a large supply of vintage trains. Andy Jugle had an unbelievable selection of Gilbert made items from the Art Doty collection as well as quite a few paper items. The east coast was represented by the Vanacores and Gary Clark who as usual had mint do not touch items. Missing were Doug Peck(Doug we hope you can make S Fest next year at Lombard!), Dave Blum and MTH and Lionel. American Models was present with some good buys and some great looking product. The model contest was a success, the incline challenge looked fun, and the clinics were well attended. Twelve of us had dinner at a local Grill on Friday night, great food atmostphere and the best Vanilla Porter on tap I have ever tasted! Saturday night was the Banquet, everyone I talked to said it was the best food they could remember at an S Fest Banquet. The Speaker whose name I have forgotten, gave a very informative presentation on the Great Western Railroad complete with slides. The Auction included Prints and some special tank cars. Kudos to Dave Blum and Pikesville for great meet cars. I believe most of the cars were sold out, which is a good sign. The home layout tours are always one of my favorite activities. My group of 4 from KC were able to visit the home of Jon Sevall. It was great to see what someone can do with a home layout, and still maintain a family room in the basement. Jon’s layout was a testament as to what you can do with some ingenuity and flyer and gargrave track. He had 3 independent loops running on three levels of his 7ft by 16ft layout with a dogbone leg. Thanks to the Sevalls for opening their house to some train nuts. Finally, at the S Fest I was able to purchase right and left all aboard snow switch panels complete with the original boxes send from A C Gilbert to Sears Chicago on September 21, 1966. Since I have only been looking for these since 1998 it was an excellent find, and made my S Fest. Thanks to our great hosts from the State Line S Gaugers for hosting a wonderful event.   We in Kansas City are looking forward to the 2015 NASG Convention and can only hope to present an event somewhat close to the just completed S Fest.   Bill Hutton Kansas City S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73457	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: xtrkcad parameter file and layout

Can you be more specific as to the errors you get? What platform are you running it on? I found that xtrkcad will forget where to find parameter files. So, if you exit and restart it, I can't find the parameter file. I haven't figured out if it's because of a character in the file name or some other issue. In that vein, I've updated my file a little and added the K-Line 27" radius curve track. James ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: When I try to use the ACG20.000 Track.xtp parameters file it errors during installation.  Any ideas? Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:29 AM, "jimbogodofunix@..." <jimbogodofunix@...> wrote:   I've been playing with xTrkCad and have been messing with a AC Gilbert American Flyer parameter file from BarryL over in the xtrkcad group. He had set the diameter of a circle of standard American Flyer track to 19.34. Unfortunately, I found that didn't quite connect correctly. I modified it so that it was 20" exactly. I based this my recollection that  a 90 degree crossover plus two full tracks and two half tracks plus 3/4 of a circle (9 curve tracks) makes half of a figure 8. I will be creating a folder in the files area to put these in. I will welcome any edits or additions to this and I will try to add to it in the future. I have a 30 degree (?) crossover that I'm planning on adding next. I think after that, I will try to start adding some structures or maybe an accessory track. James

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73458	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/4/2013
Subject: Re: OT Message Glitch

Not quite the same but………..I had a similar browser problem when I recently replaced my laptop with a new one that was pre-loaded with IE-10.  There were pages of my own website I could not access! My son, who is “in the industry”, told me to do the following….. While in your browser, hit F12. A window will open…..select “Browser Mode”, and select IE-8. The browser now operates under IE-8 instead, and my problems disappeared!   <<< Yes, simple solution: get RID of Windows 8--it isn't engineered for a desktop PC, it's designed for smart phones and the like with touch screens! >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73459	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: #13977 Illuminated Brake Man Kit ;o) (Advertisement)

We are working on a kit to install our #13977 illuminated brake man in any caboose, passenger car or box car you have. Please give us a shout if you would buy this kit. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73460	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: Re: xtrkcad parameter file and layout

I've got it working.  I was opening it incorrectly.  Now to test it out! Thanks, Neil in Oregon On Monday, November 4, 2013 1:02 PM, "jimbogodofunix@..." <jimbogodofunix@...> wrote:   Can you be more specific as to the errors you get? What platform are you running it on? I found that xtrkcad will forget where to find parameter files. So, if you exit and restart it, I can't find the parameter file. I haven't figured out if it's because of a character in the file name or some other issue. In that vein, I've updated my file a little and added the K-Line 27" radius curve track. James ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: When I try to use the ACG20.000 Track.xtp parameters file it errors during installation.  Any ideas? Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:29 AM, "jimbogodofunix@..." <jimbogodofunix@...> wrote:   I've been playing with xTrkCad and have been messing with a AC Gilbert American Flyer parameter file from BarryL over in the xtrkcad group. He had set the diameter of a circle of standard American Flyer track to 19.34. Unfortunately, I found that didn't quite connect correctly. I modified it so that it was 20" exactly. I based this my recollection that  a 90 degree crossover plus two full tracks and two half tracks plus 3/4 of a circle (9 curve tracks) makes half of a figure 8. I will be creating a folder in the files area to put these in. I will welcome any edits or additions to this and I will try to add to it in the future. I have a 30 degree (?) crossover that I'm planning on adding next. I think after that, I will try to start adding some structures or maybe an accessory track. James

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73461	From: hudsoncentralrr	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: AM D&H caboose

This was from the first limited production run. Mine met an unforunate accident. Though, thinking back to seeing the line of dead stuff at Oneonta back from that era, severe wreck damge might not be out of place. Anyway, if there's one still available somewhere, please let me know. Thanks. Stan Stokrocki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73462	From: rzuerlein2001	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: Re: #13977 Illuminated Brake Man Kit ;o) (Advertisement)

Sounds interesting.  could possibly use some  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <reujan2000@...> wrote: We are working on a kit to install our #13977 illuminated brake man in any caboose, passenger car or box car you have. Please give us a shout if you would buy this kit. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73463	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: For sale: Gilbert curved thin-tie rubber roadbed

This is the less common, more realistic  thin-tie roadbed. It is black, not grey. I have only curved; all the straight has been sold. It is all in beautiful condition with no tears, holes, etc. it is dirty but will clean to like new condition. I find that buffing it with a shoe brush is the easiest and quickest way of cleaning roadbed. Don't use any polish, water, or soap; just buffet dry. Like everything else, I am selling this on a make-offer basis. I have two batches of 12 that have nice, rust-free track, that simply needs cleaning. I think they should sell for close to $4.00 apiece. I have another batch of 12 that has track with some rust and will take a bit of cleaning. I think they should sell for about $3.25 apiece. I have 20 more without track that should sell for close to $3.00 apiece. Make me an offer I can't refuse! Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73464	From: richs009	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: Re: AF Track Radius

Chris and all -- FWIW, I grabbed handful of flyer curved track and did the measurement Chris described (the cord of the arc) - in my case I measured from the OUTSIDE edge of the inner rail.  I found a variation of about 1/32 of an inch in the four or so that I measured, giving an average of 9.578 inches.  Using half this value (4.789 inches) and the sine of 15 deg (0.2588), the radius of the outside edge of the inner rail is 18.50 inches.  The distance from outside edge to outside edge is 1+1/16, so half that is 0.531 inches, so the radius I get is 19.031 inches -- same as Chris. Just for giggles, I did the same set of measurements and calculations for the larger radius AF (compatible) track (Gargraves?) and I get 26.67 inches for the radius of that curve - Rich ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> wrote: The question of radius of standard AF track and it being 19.34 or 20 inches is interesting.  20 inches sounds correct when you know that a figure 8 uses a 10" straight plus a half-straight plus half of the 10 inch long 90 degree crossing to make up the missing quarter of a circle in one half of the figure eight.  The only problem is, Gilbert's design for a figure eight isn't quite exact.  Close enough, but not exact. I calculated the radius as follows: 1.  I measured the straight length from one end of the inside rail of a full curve track to the other end as 9 5/8 inches.  Measure for yourself and see if you get something different.  If someone wants to use a micrometer, they'll get a more precise measurement, but my approach will still work. 2. Half of this 9 5/8 distance is 4 13/16 inches. 3. Because if takes 12 pieces of curved track to a circle of 360 degrees, each piece is 30 degrees.  Half of the 30 degrees is 15 degrees. 4. The Radius, times the sine of 15 degrees equals 4 13/16.  The sine of 15 degrees is 0.2588, so the radius is 4 13/16 divided by 0.2588 or 18.594 inches.  This is the radius of the inner rail, not the centerline radius. 5. S gauge is 7/8 inches, so half of that is 7/16 or 0.4375 inches. 6. The centerline radius is the inner-rail radius plus half the gauge, 18.594 plus 0.4375 or 19.032 inches. If you find a different inner-rail measurement (the straight distance, not the distance along the rail) then you'll end up with a different radius, but I bet it won't be much different! Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73465	From: rick.flaherty	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: 4-8-8-4 Big boy pulsed smoke

I still have that brass unidentified Big Boy that I am going to rescue and upgrade.  Does anyone have any suggestions for installing dual pulsed smoke generators?  It's a plain Jane, with no electronics and I'm converting it from DC track to AC, but can work with both power systems. Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73466	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/5/2013
Subject: For Sale: NIB 49600 UP Pony Express Set with add-on cars

All but the dining car. The set box and some of the car boxes have damage.  Pictures available on request. TM Guide lists it at $730. Make offer. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73467	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/6/2013
Subject: Outside of Track Tie Radius = 20 inch

Hi All, Here we go again with the age old track radius question. Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it! From my archived message number 25254 dated April 7, 2003: Let us refer to "How to Build and Operate a Model Railroad" by Marshall McClintock. The book states in several places that a circle of S-gauge track has a diameter of 40 inches, radius of 20 inches. Figure 19 on page 35 shows a radius of 20 inches - but to where? Track centerline, outside track centerline, tie outside centerline?? This figure also shows a 3 1/2" roadbed with an outside radius of 20 inches. Assuming you mount the track in the middle of this roadbed, the centerline track radius would be 18 1/4 inches and the outside track centerline would be 18 3/4 inches. But measuring a completed circle of track it appears the outside of tie radius (not outer track radius) is right on 20 inches. So even McClintock appears to be inconsistent. So back to the reference books! BG1 For even more comments on the track radius question, refer to the archives in early 2003 to see other group members' comments on the subject of AF track radius. It does make some very interesting reading. You can also do a message search for "track radius" to find all comments regarding this subject.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73468	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/7/2013
Subject: For Sale: Remaining Flyonel & AM equipment discounted, and newly acq

The guy is getting antsy to sell the remaining unsold items. For informational purposes, I show both 2013 Greenberg and 2012 TM Guide prices. Make offer, even if it's well below book. I don't have any of these items in hand yet. Let me know what you're interested in and I'll pick them up from him next Tuesday, November 12. When I get them, I'll verify that they are indeed in mint condition before I sell them to you. In the first two batches, only three cars had been run - the vast majority were indeed mint. In addition to these, I have just acquired another collection that I'm just starting to go through. It contains a 336 Northern in strong C-6 condition. Runs smoothly and quietly, headlight works and smokes well. Horn doesn't work; it's disconnected. I jury rigged a connection and it still didn't work. I haven't dug into it yet to find out why. The e-unit has been removed so it runs only forward. I figure $300.00 is fair to both buyer and seller. Pictures available on request. Make offer. More will follow in the coming weeks. Mfg Model Short Description Notes Condition GB TM AF 9000 B&O Flat Car with Vans C-9/C-10 $44.00 $40.00 AF 9004 Southern Railway Flatcar w/Vans C-9/C-10 $42.00 $40.00 AF 9005 New York Central Flatcar w/Vans C-9/C-10 $33.00 $30.00 AF 9209 New York Central Hopper C-9/C-10 $29.00 $30.00 AF 9300 Burlington Northern Gondola C-9/C-10 $25.00 $20.00 AF 9304 New York Central Gondola w/cannisters C-9/C-10 $25.00 $20.00 AF 9400 Chessie System Caboose box missing plastic/some add'l box tears C-9/C-10 $28.00 $30.00 AF 9404 NewYorkCentral BayWindow Caboose C-9/C-10 $34.00 $35.00 AF 9504 Erie Combo Car box has tear on front C-9/C-10 $55.00 $50.00 AF 9505 Erie Coach Car-Chasis only Shell is missing C-9/C-10 AF 9506 Erie Vista Dome Car C-9/C-10 $72.00 $70.00 AF 9507 Erie Observation Car C-9/C-10 $55.00 $50.00 AF 9702 B&O Boxcar small tears on box C-9/C-10 $52.00 $40.00 AF 9709 B&O Boxcar C-9/C-10 $32.00 $30.00 AF 9711 Southern Pacific Boxcar C-9/C-10 $31.00 $30.00 AF 9712 Illinois Central Gulf Boxcar C-9/C-10 $34.00 $35.00 AF 9713 New York Central Box Car C-9/C-10 $35.00 $38.00 AF 48056 NY Central Dockside Switcher C-9/C-10 $96.00 $85.00 AF 48119 Union Pacific PB 1 Non Powered engine with rail sounds C-9/C-10 $165.00 $130.00 AF 48203 New York central Reefer 1997 TTOS C-9/C-10 $60.00 $65.00 AF 48203 New York central Reefer 1997 TTOS C-9/C-10 $60.00 $65.00 AF 48205 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer 1997 NASG C-9/C-10 $52.00 $55.00 AF 48205 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer #1697 Box missing label believed to be 1997 NASG 6-48205 C-9/C-10 $52.00 $55.00 AF 48211 Magnolia Tank Car 1998 NASG C-9/C-10 $58.00 $60.00 AF 48211 Magnolia Tank Car 1998 NASG C-9/C-10 $58.00 $60.00 AF 48212 S & P Tank Car 1999 TTOS National Convetion C-9/C-10 $70.00 $75.00 AF 48214 Great Northern RR Caboose NASG '99 C-9/C-10 $55.00 $37.00 AF 48214 Great Northern RR Caboose NASG '99 C-9/C-10 $55.00 $37.00 AF 48217 Southern Pacific Gondola TTOS 2000 C-9/C-10 $110.00 $100.00 AF 48218 Southern Pacific Crane TTOS 2000 C-9/C-10 $110.00 $100.00 AF 48272 Flatcar w/BeechCraft Airplane TTOS 2008 Sacramento Meet C-9/C-10 $86.00 $90.00 AF 48306 Seaboard Coast Line Boxcar C-9/C-10 $36.00 $33.00 AF 48406 Celanese Chemicals Tank Car C-9/C-10 $46.00 $45.00 AF 48436 48476 NY Central Reefer 1991 NASG Commemorative C-9/C-10 $70.00 $72.00 AF 48475 Boraxo Covered Hopper 1991 NASG Commemorative Car C-9/C-10 $70.00 $72.00 AF 48478 Burlington Route Box Car 1992 NASG Commemorative C-9/C-10 $93.00 $85.00 AF 48479 NKP Nickel Plate Road Flatcar 1992 NASG Convention Car with tractor/trailer C-9/C-10 $127.00 $120.00 AF 48479 NKP Nickel Plate Road Flatcar 1992 NASG Convention Car with tractor/trailer C-9/C-10 $127.00 $120.00 AF 48480 Susquehanna Susie Q BoxCar 1993 NASG Commemorative C-9/C-10 $91.00 $85.00 AF 48482 Great Northern Box Car 1993 TCA Convention Car C-9/C-10 $92.00 $85.00 AF 48483 AF Boy's Rail Road Club BoxCar C-9/C-10 $65.00 $60.00 AF 48484

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73469	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/7/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE moves to Thursdays

Today at http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we make the move to Thursdays due to scheduling conflicts.  In "The Mad Butcher" we learn that those with imagination and skill are not always appreciated in hobbies dominated by rabid collectors, on Page 5.   If you enjoy reading STUMPY'S MACHINE please place the web address in your Internet Favorites and check in every Thursday as these Yahoo group notifications will be ending.   Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73470	From: rudypenne	Date: 11/7/2013
Subject: Re: For Sale: Remaining Flyonel & AM equipment discounted, and new..

Bob, I'll offer $50 for the NYC Dockside switcher. Mike   In a message dated 11/7/2013 3:23:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, theupstairstrain@... writes:   The guy is getting antsy to sell the remaining unsold items. For informational purposes, I show both 2013 Greenberg and 2012 TM Guide prices. Make offer, even if it's well below book. I don't have any of these items in hand yet. Let me know what you're interested in and I'll pick them up from him next Tuesday, November 12. When I get them, I'll verify that they are indeed in mint condition before I sell them to you. In the first two batches, only three cars had been run - the vast majority were indeed mint. In addition to these, I have just acquired another collection that I'm just starting to go through. It contains a 336 Northern in strong C-6 condition. Runs smoothly and quietly, headlight works and smokes well. Horn doesn't work; it's disconnected. I jury rigged a connection and it still didn't work. I haven't dug into it yet to find out why. The e-unit has been removed so it runs only forward. I figure $300.00 is fair to both buyer and seller. Pictures available on request. Make offer. More will follow in the coming weeks. < td colspan="1" rowspan="1" style="border-top:1px solid #000000;border-bottom:1px solid #000000;border-left:1px solid #000000;border-right:1px solid #000000;" align="LEFT" valign="MIDDLE">1993 NASG Commemorative Mfg Model Short Description Notes Condition GB TM AF 9000 B&O Flat Car with Vans C-9/C-10 $44.00 $40.00 AF 9004 Southern Railway Flatcar w/Vans C-9/C-10 $42.00 $40.00 AF 9005 New York Central Flatcar w/Vans C-9/C-10 $33.00 $30.00 AF 9209 New York Central Hopper C-9/C-10 $29.00 $30.00 AF 9300 Burlington Northern Gondola C-9/C-10 $25.00 $20.00 AF 9304 New York Central Gondola w/cannisters C-9/C-10 $25.00 $20.00 AF 9400 Chessie System Caboose box missing plastic/some add'l box tears C-9/C-10 $28.00 $30.00 AF 9404 NewYorkCentral BayWindow Caboose C-9/C-10 $34.00 $35.00 AF 9504 Erie Combo Car box has tear on front C-9/C-10 $55.00 $50.00 AF 9505 Erie Coach Car-Chasis only Shell is missing C-9/C-10 AF 9506 Erie Vista Dome Car C-9/C-10 $72.00 $70.00 AF 9507 Erie Observation Car C-9/C-10 $55.00 $50.00 AF 9702 B&O Boxcar small tears on box C-9/C-10 $52.00 $40.00 AF 9709 B&O Boxcar C-9/C-10 $32.00 $30.00 AF 9711 Southern Pacific Boxcar C-9/C-10 $31.00 $30.00 AF 9712 Illinois Central Gulf Boxcar C-9/C-10 $34.00 $35.00 AF 9713 New York Central Box Car C-9/C-10 $35.00 $38.00 AF 48056 NY Central Dockside Switcher C-9/C-10 $96.00 $85.00 AF 48119 Union Pacific PB 1 Non Powered engine with rail sounds C-9/C-10 $165.00 $130.00 AF 48203 New York central Reefer 1997 TTOS C-9/C-10 $60.00 $65.00 AF 48203 New York central Reefer 1997 TTOS C-9/C-10 $60.00 $65.00 AF 48205 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer 1997 NASG C-9/C-10 $52.00 $55.00 AF 48205 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer #1697 Box missing label believed to be 1997 NASG 6-48205 C-9/C-10 $52.00 $55.00 AF 48211 Magnolia Tank Car 1998 NASG C-9/C-10 $58.00 $60.00 AF 48211 Magnolia Tank Car 1998 NASG C-9/C-10 $58.00 $60.00 AF 48212 S & P Tank Car 1999 TTOS National Convetion C-9/C-10 $70.00 $75.00 AF 48214 Great Northern RR Caboose NASG '99 C-9/C-10 $55.00 $37.00 AF 48214 Great Northern RR Caboose NASG '99 C-9/C-10 $55.00 $37.00 AF 48217 Southern Pacific Gondola TTOS 2000 C-9/C-10 $110.00 $100.00 AF 48218 Southern Pacific Crane TTOS 2000 C-9/C-10 $110.00 $100.00 AF 48272 Flatcar w/BeechCraft Airplane TTOS 2008 Sacramento Meet C-9/C-10 $86.00 $90.00 AF 48306 Seaboard Coast Line Boxcar C-9/C-10 $36.00 $33.00 AF 48406 Celanese Chemicals Tank Car C-9/C-10 $46.00 $45.00 AF 48436 48476 NY Central Reefer 1991 NASG Commemorative C-9/C-10 $70.00 $72.00 AF 48475 Boraxo Covered Hopper 1991 NASG Commemorative Car C-9/C-10 $70.00 $72.00 AF 48478 Burlington Route Box Car 1992 NASG Commemorative C-9/C-10 $93.00 $85.00 AF 48479 NKP Nickel Plate Road Flatcar 1992 NASG Convention Car with tractor/trailer C-9/C-10 $127.00 $120.00 AF 48479 NKP Nickel Plate Road Flatcar 1992 NASG Convention Car with tractor/trailer C-9/C-10 $127.00 $120.00 AF 48480 Susquehanna Susie Q BoxCar C-9/C-10 $91.00 $85.00 AF 48482 Great Northern Box Car 1993 TCA Convention Car C-9/C-10 $92.00 $85.00 AF 48483 AF Boy's Rail Road Club BoxCar C-9/C-10 $65.00 $60.00 AF 48484 American Flyer "Crossing Gate" BoxCar

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73471	From: Eric	Date: 11/7/2013
Subject: S helper Items for sale revised

November 7,-2013  Selling the last items from an Estate I bought in late 2012   Please note that everything has Kadee style couplers and high rail wheels.  I do not have the Knuckle couplers or the scale wheels as the prior owner traded them away.  I have a very few scale wheels and knuckles if you need for a car of 2. Let me know what you need. As always, thanks for looking!   I updated the list.  Some of the hoppers had been pulled apart and the tops and bases reversed for variety, I swapped them back as they easily pop apart.   3 - S Helper Service Bulkhead Flat Cars:  $40 each   Xxxxx CP Black Monsanto Load  505012  (not correct box) 00333  GN 60403  Carrier load 00334  GN 60342  Weyerhauser load -------------------------------------------------------------------------------   23 – S Helper Service PS2 2 bay Hoppers.$30.00 each   00416  Ann Arbor  AA781 Xxxxx  Ill cent gulf  701758  not correct box Xxxxx  INCO  HWCX  41012  (not correct box) 00409  Central Soya  CSX 154  Ladder has been glued. 00009  ASTF  87421 (have 2)  00012  BN 42471     all Green  huge logo (have 6)  00040  BN 424702   all Green  mid size logo (have 2)  00083  BN 424723   all green,  small BN logo (have 4)  01143  BN 424703   all gray   (Have 3)  00083 BN 424703  all green  added lettering decals (have 1)  01143  BN  424794  gray top, green base -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   2 DesPlaines 53 foot Boxcars. $35 each   One CNW yellow One Ralston Purina red. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Ericrhere(at)gmail.com   Please note that this is from an estate, everything is used somewhat but most look like new and have an original box. I have not been able to check the minute details on all these cars  but will check over anything before it is shipped out.  Not correct box means the label on the box is incorrect. Make me an offer !    Add postage - USPS which has gotten more expensive. Individual cars cost about $7 to ship but multiples are not that much more.   Eric Reis,    Kenmore, WA.  98028 TCA since 1987,  NASG since 1988

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73472	From: snstrains	Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Washington set for sale

I have a "Washington" (#20655) set in "Like New" condition for sale. Do NOT have the set box. Cannon is original. Contact off list please.   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73473	From: snstrains	Date: 11/8/2013
Subject: Docksider for sale

I Just listed a LTI B&O Docksider on ebay. (starts at (9:45 Eastern time) Like new with just a test run. Smoker works. $70 will buy it before there are any bids on it if anyone here is interested. Contact off list please. 208-376-1159   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73474	From: Michael Leahy	Date: 11/9/2013
Subject: Ceramic Buildings For Sale

In 1997 I built my first operating lay-out, and over the years I purchased ceramic buildings from Mizell's Train Store in the Denver area. Due to the September flood in Boulder & 24" of water in our basement, I had to take down the lay-out even though there was no damage to it. In order to replace the electrical wiring & the drywall in our basement, the lay-out had to come down. The table is now in 7 sections and ready for a new home. Also all the ceramic buildings are for sale that a gentleman from the Denver area sold through Mizell's. Yes they were expensive, but they are amazing in detail. If you are looking for realistic brick type structures from the past century for your lay-out, let me know & I will send you some individual pictures. It is not often this opportunity comes around. Here is the website that shows the lay-out prior to being taken down: http://www.venturea.com/rmd.htm Mike Leahy gmichael.leahy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73475	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/9/2013
Subject: NEW Item at your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisement)

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73476	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 11/9/2013
Subject: Re: Ceramic Buildings For Sale

Hi Michael-- What a neat layout! and I'm sorry to hear about your flooding and basement woes. Water is the bain of every basement layout, including mine. I am interested, so please send some pictures with prices, and I'll see if I can afford any of them. Thanks CJB Clement J Bianchi 21 Rockwell Road Killington, Vermont 05751 cj@... ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Leahy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 9:09 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Ceramic Buildings For Sale   In 1997 I built my first operating lay-out, and over the years I purchased ceramic buildings from Mizell's Train Store in the Denver area. Due to the September flood in Boulder & 24" of water in our basement, I had to take down the lay-out even though there was no damage to it. In order to replace the electrical wiring & the drywall in our basement, the lay-out had to come down. The table is now in 7 sections and ready for a new home. Also all the ceramic buildings are for sale that a gentleman from the Denver area sold through Mizell's. Yes they were expensive, but they are amazing in detail. If you are looking for realistic brick type structures from the past century for your lay-out, let me know & I will send you some individual pictures. It is not often this opportunity comes around. Here is the website that shows the lay-out prior to being taken down: http://www.venturea.com/rmd.htm Mike Leahy gmichael.leahy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73477	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/9/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/10/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 10, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73478	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/10/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/10/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 10, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73479	From: Joe Santucci	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Need some help with 18B transformer

I've been reading strains group for years, but have never posted anything.  I'm really small potatoes - working with original flyer stuff on a ping pong table layout.  I've got an 18B transformer that hums but that's all.  When I took the cover off there's an unconnected wire.  It's one of two larger wires (actually this one is two wires twisted together) covered with black plastic insulation.  It comes from under the transformers copper field and seems to be facing the rear panel.  It looks like it might have been linked with the switch/power cord, but I'm just guessing.  Any help for this amateur?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73480	From: johntech	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: 370 Shell

Does anyone have an original 370 diesel shell they would like to sell? I am in the process of rebuilding an old 370 and the original shell is missing   Thank you   John Frankforther This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73481	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Need some help with 18B transformer

Hi Joe   You might want to send it off to be repaired unless you know someone near you could try e mailing either Doug Peck doug@... or Tom seccia seccia@... he runs triple s also in the s gaugian is scenery unlimited for repair phone # 708 366 7763 I have used them before and prices were reasonable and good quality work good luck Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Santucci Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Need some help with 18B transformer     I've been reading strains group for years, but have never posted anything.  I'm really small potatoes - working with original flyer stuff on a ping pong table layout.  I've got an 18B transformer that hums but that's all.  When I took the cover off there's an unconnected wire.  It's one of two larger wires (actually this one is two wires twisted together) covered with black plastic insulation.  It comes from under the transformers copper field and seems to be facing the rear panel.  It looks like it might have been linked with the switch/power cord, but I'm just guessing.  Any help for this amateur?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73482	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Need some help with 18B transformer

Hi Stanley,                        Have the person email me his address and I'll send him a wiring diagram.  Sounds like a wire is off.                                     Tom Seccia On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:44 PM, Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> wrote:   Hi Joe   You might want to send it off to be repaired unless you know someone near you could try e mailing either Doug Peck doug@... or Tom seccia seccia@... he runs triple s also in the s gaugian is scenery unlimited for repair phone # 708 366 7763 I have used them before and prices were reasonable and good quality work good luck Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Santucci Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Need some help with 18B transformer     I've been reading strains group for years, but have never posted anything.  I'm really small potatoes - working with original flyer stuff on a ping pong table layout.  I've got an 18B transformer that hums but that's all.  When I took the cover off there's an unconnected wire.  It's one of two larger wires (actually this one is two wires twisted together) covered with black plastic insulation.  It comes from under the transformers copper field and seems to be facing the rear panel.  It looks like it might have been linked with the switch/power cord, but I'm just guessing.  Any help for this amateur?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73483	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Need some help with 18B transformer

Joe unless you are very familiar with transformers send it off are buy one on ebay, there is allot of watts flowing in these enough to do major harm, I worked on very large transformers and they all made me nervous they can do very strange things when they get old.    James Davidson From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 8:20 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Need some help with 18B transformer   Hi Joe   You might want to send it off to be repaired unless you know someone near you could try e mailing either Doug Peck doug@... or Tom seccia seccia@... he runs triple s also in the s gaugian is scenery unlimited for repair phone # 708 366 7763 I have used them before and prices were reasonable and good quality work good luck Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Santucci Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Need some help with 18B transformer     I've been reading strains group for years, but have never posted anything.  I'm really small potatoes - working with original flyer stuff on a ping pong table layout.  I've got an 18B transformer that hums but that's all.  When I took the cover off there's an unconnected wire.  It's one of two larger wires (actually this one is two wires twisted together) covered with black plastic insulation.  It comes from under the transformers copper field and seems to be facing the rear panel.  It looks like it might have been linked with the switch/power cord, but I'm just guessing.  Any help for this amateur?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73484	From: rhicks308	Date: 11/11/2013
Subject: Re: Need some help with 18B transformer

If the transformer hums, you've got power in the primary winding.  The loose wires cannot, therefore, be part of the primary circuit.  Do NOT try connecting them to the switch/power cord.  They are probably the base post connection.  Of course, there are two base posts, but they're wired together.  And you should be able to visually check whether all six posts have a connection. Hope this helps. Randall ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <joesan2c@...> wrote: I've been reading strains group for years, but have never posted anything.  I'm really small potatoes - working with original flyer stuff on a ping pong table layout.  I've got an 18B transformer that hums but that's all.  When I took the cover off there's an unconnected wire.  It's one of two larger wires (actually this one is two wires twisted together) covered with black plastic insulation.  It comes from under the transformers copper field and seems to be facing the rear panel.  It looks like it might have been linked with the switch/power cord, but I'm just guessing.  Any help for this amateur?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73485	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/12/2013
Subject: Re: Need some help with 18B transformer

Hi Tom   Yes I sent him your e mail address and also dougs and scenery unlimited for repair it sounds as if wire either off or overheated and melted connection thanks stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need some help with 18B transformer     Hi Stanley,                        Have the person email me his address and I'll send him a wiring diagram.  Sounds like a wire is off.                                     Tom Seccia     On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:44 PM, Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> wrote:   Hi Joe   You might want to send it off to be repaired unless you know someone near you could try e mailing either Doug Peck doug@... or Tom seccia seccia@... he runs triple s also in the s gaugian is scenery unlimited for repair phone # 708 366 7763 I have used them before and prices were reasonable and good quality work good luck Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Santucci Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Need some help with 18B transformer     I've been reading strains group for years, but have never posted anything.  I'm really small potatoes - working with original flyer stuff on a ping pong table layout.  I've got an 18B transformer that hums but that's all.  When I took the cover off there's an unconnected wire.  It's one of two larger wires (actually this one is two wires twisted together) covered with black plastic insulation.  It comes from under the transformers copper field and seems to be facing the rear panel.  It looks like it might have been linked with the switch/power cord, but I'm just guessing.  Any help for this amateur?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73486	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 11/12/2013
Subject: For Sale: 36 years of S Gaugians

Some gone. Still many left. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: One of my clients has 162 S Gaugians available, almost every issue back to 1985, plus 18 more issues between 1977 and 1984. He says they're in very good condition, not new, but not torn or water soaked. I haven't seen them myself. He's asking two dollars per issue, but is open to all offers, especially in quantity. Make me an offer on whatever you want - one, a few, a lot, or all of them. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73487	From: Timboy	Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Re: "Prairie Dog" part 3 is posted.

Stumpy, Great work as always. We have come to expect the best from you. I would like to see you do a re-make with a Royal Blue chassis (inside joke). Glad to see you are as active in the hobby as ever! ...Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Part Three of the "Prairie Dog" 2-6-2 kitbash project is now posted in the Stumpy's Station section of Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains website at http://myflyertrains.org http://myflyertrains.org . > > In this segment we start on the boiler shell modifications to "back date" the locomotive slightly. Enjoy. > > Stumpy Stone >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73488	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertiseme

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73489	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/13/2013
Subject: Re: Prairie Dog Part Three posted

Tim...I did a Silver Bullet (plastic shell) a few years back, and would like to do something else along those lines.  The shell was full of cracks and a small piece of the pilot was broken off and missing.  The tender floor was too badly rusted to save, but the shell was fixable  once I rolled the dent out. It took nine months to complete the rehabilitation of that one with a new tender floor with American Models six wheel trucks under the tin tender.  I used lots of "bondo" and epoxy to fix the shell!   I painted in B&O Blue with yellow stripe to match my passenger cars and it looked sharp! You never know what I'll come up with next! :-)  Do you? Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73490	From: wyoaf	Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: Miller Engineering American Flyer Shield Lighted Sign

Forgive me if this is old news, but I recently bought on eBay a Miller Engineering   lighted AF Shield Sign, and it looks great and works perfectly.  This is the Red White & Blue UP style shield with American Flyer Trains lettering stacked on it.  Miller also sells a desktop base for those who want to display without gluing on the mounting frames.  It all fits nicely with no dangling wites on top of a 577 Billboard Whistle.  You can select whether you want constant "on", or flashing, or sequential lighting line by line (3).   If I had better computer/digital camera skills, I'd post photos or video, but I don't so you'll have to look it up yourself.   Remember the old adage: "When you see something that you want in American Flyer, you'd better buy it as you don't know how long it may be available".    I now have two Miller Engineering Sign:  this one and a neon Reddy Kilowatt, and they are both crowd pleasers.   All the best, John Davis Noblesville IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73491	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for November 14

Today on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com we look at interviewing a race driver right after the heat of battle.  Some things have changed as TV leads the way for talking, but other things have not.  You never know what you're going to hear when you put a microphone in a driver's face! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73492	From: racin510	Date: 11/14/2013
Subject: Re: Miller Engineering American Flyer Shield Lighted Sign

Yes Miller signs are great. I fabed [bashed] a bill board structure for their Union Station sign which sits atop, of course, the talking Union Station. It looks so right and is so well received it is so worth the investment, but it looks best set up above the roof line. ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <wyoaf@...> wrote: Forgive me if this is old news, but I recently bought on eBay a Miller Engineering   lighted AF Shield Sign, and it looks great and works perfectly.  This is the Red White & Blue UP style shield with American Flyer Trains lettering stacked on it.  Miller also sells a desktop base for those who want to display without gluing on the mounting frames.  It all fits nicely with no dangling wites on top of a 577 Billboard Whistle.  You can select whether you want constant "on", or flashing, or sequential lighting line by line (3).   If I had better computer/digital camera skills, I'd post photos or video, but I don't so you'll have to look it up yourself.   Remember the old adage: "When you see something that you want in American Flyer, you'd better buy it as you don't know how long it may be available".    I now have two Miller Engineering Sign:  this one and a neon Reddy Kilowatt, and they are both crowd pleasers.   All the best, John Davis Noblesville IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73493	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: Truck Attachment Technique

Hi Folks, A Flyer 625 tank car of my acquaintance has no trucks. I have spare trucks that are modern production. They have knuckle couplers and that makes me happy. I am pretty sure the sundry parts will becoming together after some paint and decals join the party. I don't have a much experience with these older, die cast frames. So, I seek some enlightenment. First off, the couplers that are part of the trucks seem to be just a little bit shorter than that frame requires. If the mounting hole in the truck is aligned with the hole in the frame, the coupler just peeks out a bit. Do I need different trucks with longer coupler arms to work well? Second, I wonder what sort of mounting hardware is required. I would prefer something threaded like nuts and bolts or bolt and threaded insert. I suppose a hollow rivet with a wide flange would work; it would not be my first choice. Maybe there is a tee-nut that might be better. Does anyone have actual experience with this sort of thing? It seems a shame to use some material to plug the nicely-formed hole in the frame or to drill and tap that old metal. Any thoughts? Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73494	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: Frame Photo

I posted a photo of the frame sitting on the proposed truck. Look in the album: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/677220287 or directly at photo: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/677220287/lightbox/356535502 If you care to develop an opinion. Thanks, Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73495	From: keyhole_corona	Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: Re: Frame Photo

I believe that it will work just fine!  On the K-Line cars I move the trucks inward so that they would close couple and the couplers extended no farther that what you show. Everything worked fine! ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <wpporter@...> wrote: I posted a photo of the frame sitting on the proposed truck. Look in the album: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/677220287 or directly at photo: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/S-Trains/photos/albums/677220287/lightbox/356535502 If you care to develop an opinion. Thanks, Bill -- Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73496	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: Re: Frame Photo

Thanks Keyhole, Sounds like a plan. Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 11/16/2013 3:30 PM, keyhole_corona@... wrote: I believe that it will work just fine!�� On the K-Line cars I move the trucks inward so that they would close couple and the couplers extended no farther that what you show. Everything worked fine!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73497	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/16/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/17/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 17, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73498	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/17/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/17/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 17, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73499	From: mlprell	Date: 11/17/2013
Subject: AF Rocket Launcher # 25046

Subject: AF Rocket Launcher #25046 I'm attempting to repair an AF Rocket Launcher # 25046. The two prong release mechanism that is activated by the solenoid has a broken fork and has become distorted due to my trying to  "fix" it. I'm looking for a replacement. If that's not possible, is there anyone in this group who can post a photo of what one of these should actually look like. My Grand kids would really appreciate it. Thanks. Mike Prell TCA # 91-32804

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73500	From: Timboy	Date: 11/17/2013
Subject: Re: Prairie Dog Part Three posted

Stumpy... That's what I like about you. :) :) :) :) Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'm thinking 4-10-2 Royal blue. ...Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > Tim... You never know what I'll come up with next! :-) Do you? > > Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73501	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/17/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73502	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/17/2013
Subject: Re: Prairie Dog Part Three

Hey, why not make a replica of the Pennsy T-1 while you're at it?   Two Atlantic chassis and two Silver Bullet shells and a lot of bondo might be enough!  And don't forget wearing a firesuit when you display it! :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73503	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/18/2013
Subject: Caboose Weights (Advertisement)

As we all know the 3 digit pre-1966 cabooses rolled quite nicely but the roll ability of the later 5 digit cabooses was not at all optimum. The trucks were just super except for that nasty pike master coupling system which probably helped to put AF out of business.      The point of this line is to inform you all of the up coming NEW CABOOSE WEIGHT for the 5 digit cabooses. This weight can be installed in less than five minutes using a small center punch and a common screw driver. This weight comes with it's own mounting screw and weighs around 1.5 oz. which is more than enough added weight to make these cabooses preform admirably. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73504	From: ecphora123	Date: 11/18/2013
Subject: Re: Prairie Dog Part Three

Wearing a fire suit you say..... Sometime ago, there was a one page article in S Gaugian about a guy who used two Lionel O27 T-1 shells. He extended the boiler on one by using a portion from the other. Turns out that doing this results in a T-1 that is proportionally correct for S. Wonder what the 'grand inquisitors' among the Lionel collectors would have done with the brave lad had they caught site of it. Just remember that out of Heresy comes enlightenment. Stumpy as Galileo was to astronomy, so you are to bashing.  The point is that until the guy made his T-1, there was none available in S for him to run. Gene Cimino ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Hey, why not make a replica of the Pennsy T-1 while you're at it?   Two Atlantic chassis and two Silver Bullet shells and a lot of bondo might be enough!  And don't forget wearing a firesuit when you display it! :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73505	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/18/2013
Subject: Re: The original kit basher - was RE: RE: Prairie Dog Part Three

Being a purist is one thing, but one fact that few are aware of is that the A.C. Gilbert Co. was probably the first kit basher of S gauge around.�� I offer as evidence a power plant kit bashed from a Union Station building that was used on the large display layout on the 1st floor of the New York Hall of Science.���� See http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ghos/first-floor/layout_3_overview.htm�� It is the dark building just above the word "Trains." Other examples can also be found in items actually released for sale, such as the Oil Depot, using two tank car bodies and the roadside diner using a heavyweight coach body, or for the HO line, an Osgood Bradley car body.������ Maybe A.C. Gilbert would need a firesuit also. Dale Smith On 11/18/2013 9:49 AM, ecphora123@... wrote: �� Wearing a fire suit you say..... Sometime ago, there was a one page article in S Gaugian about a guy who used two Lionel O27 T-1 shells. He extended the boiler on one by using a portion from the other. Turns out that doing this results in a T-1 that is proportionally correct for S. Wonder what the 'grand inquisitors' among the Lionel collectors would have done with the brave lad had they caught site of it. Just remember that out of Heresy comes enlightenment. Stumpy as Galileo was to astronomy, so you are to bashing.�� The point is that until the guy made his T-1, there was none available in S for him to run. Gene Cimino ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Hey, why not make a replica of the Pennsy T-1 while you're at it?���� Two��Atlantic chassis and two Silver��Bullet shells and a lot of bondo��might be enough!�� And don't forget wearing a firesuit when you display it! :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73506	From: alhbaker	Date: 11/19/2013
Subject: Af 630/930 Caboose Prototype

In times past we had discussions about the prototype AF 630/930 caboose, and that one was being restored at Ridgely, MD.    I was somehow under the impression that it was the last remaining prototype.    However, on a recent trip with a NRHS group to SMS Rail Lines in Bridgeport, NJ, I saw what are apparently two of those caboose prototypes.  One has been restored, the other is in the process.   Am I the last guy to find out about this, or is it news to some of you too?    I do have pictures which I haven't posted yet.   Al Baker Portland,OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73507	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/20/2013
Subject: Lionel Hopper Cars Have Arrived

Hi All,   I picked up two new hopper cars over the weekend at the local hobby shop.  I've had 7 cars on order since June and so far only these two have been delivered.  One is the scenery gravel hopper and the other is the artificial coal hopper.   Has anyone else received any of the 2014 Lionel or MTH cars?   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73508	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/20/2013
Subject: Re: AF 630/930 Caboose

This was a fairly common caboose in the Eastern US, so it should be no surprise that some have survived.  They were common on the Reading and Jersey Central as I recall.   Conrail ended up with a bunch of these "Northeastern" style cars when it was formed out of many roads, along with other types cabooses.  When eventually cabooses were no longer needed, they sold them off for as little as $2,000. delivered to a siding anywhere on their network. There used to be several cabooses one a siding used by a collector about fifty miles from me, and a "Northeastern" style caboose was one of them.  It went from Conrail blue to a nice red over one summer.  Eventually, the cars were moved, so there's a 630/930 caboose somewhere in Ohio too. A far tougher caboose to find would be the Flyer "Bay Window" one from the late fifties with a cupola AND bay windows!  I've been told that only six were built as "demo" cars for the railroads to try out and no cars were made in production with both cupola and bay window.  Most Flyer folks don't think such cars ever existed, but a friend in Indiana claims a few of the demos were bought by Wabash just before it was merged into Norfolk and Western.  Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73509	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/21/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel Hopper Cars Have Arrived

The hoppers you mentioned, plus the Air Service tank car, delivered 4-6 weeks ago. Just delivered last week are 5 more cars including the Christmas Animated Caboose, the two Scout boxcars, the 1951 Catalog Art boxcar, and the first of the “Mint” cars.   The word from MTH is that the first “S” production is “on the water” right now, and should arrive at dealers between mid and late December. It reportedly includes some rolling stock (I’m guessing steel rebuilt boxcars, at least), and some track product.   <<< Has anyone else received any of the 2014 Lionel or MTH cars? >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73510	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/21/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for November 21

There has been a lot of discussion in recent years about the future of our hobbies.  Generally, the blame is fixed on the advancing age of the participants or a lazy, disconnected youth.  While both are true, the situation is more complex than that! Today on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com/ we look at yet another angle of this concern in "Getting Started in a Hobby." Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73511	From: vu68	Date: 11/21/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel Hopper Cars Have Arrived

Re MTH I joined the MTH railroaders club and am to receive a car as part of the membership.  I called a few days ago and they said they expected the cars to arrive in January.  I don't know if this applies to all cars, but would suspect it does. Somewhat related is that the membership was also to include some track design software.  I've called every 6 weeks or so and it's always going to come in soon, but never has.  Gave up waiting for that and bought a product (RR-track) rather than wait.  RR-track is pretty full featured, but seems to crash a lot.  Nice in that it includes 6 manufacturers of track and not just MTH.  I also can use it to design O gauge stuff for my grandson's layout.   I'm a computer guy and I'm getting ready to substantially expand and completely redesign what I have so I enjoy using the software but it's not for everyone. If anyone has used RR-track and has a layout they want to share, contact me directly and I'll be willing to exchange layouts.  John Zurad ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: Hi All,   I picked up two new hopper cars over the weekend at the local hobby shop.  I've had 7 cars on order since June and so far only these two have been delivered.  One is the scenery gravel hopper and the other is the artificial coal hopper.   Has anyone else received any of the 2014 Lionel or MTH cars?   David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73512	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/21/2013
Subject: Re: RRTrack software was RE: Lionel Hopper Cars Have Arrived

John, I have used RRTrack software for many years, on both Windows NT and Windows 7, and have never had problems with crashes.  I have the S, Atlas HO, and Atlas N libraries, in addition to the Lionel O.   The current version I am using is 4.02. As far as layouts are concerned, a most likely little known feature of my website, americanflyerdisplays.org, is that most of the factory display layouts have a RRtrack file for the basic track plan that you can download and manipulate with your software.  I also did a track plan for the first of the three layouts which occupied the first floor of the NY Hall of Science and there is an image of that track plan as done with RRtrack, but I neglected to put in a link to download the RRtrack file.   I hope to have that added in a few days.   I am working on a track plan of the big super layout that occupied the NY Hall of Science's first floor beginning in 1954 and lasting until it closed in 1958.  This will take a while because it is based on photos that appear on the website, in Greenberg guides, and in Train Collector's Quarterly articles.  I won't be able to vouch for its accuracy, but it will be a good faith attempt to re-create it. Here is a link to one of the pages that has a downloadable layout. http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/factory_displays/d402.htm Dale Smith On 11/21/2013 6:20 AM, vu68@... wrote:   Somewhat related is that the membership was also to include some track design software.  I've called every 6 weeks or so and it's always going to come in soon, but never has.  Gave up waiting for that and bought a product (RR-track) rather than wait.  RR-track is pretty full featured, but seems to crash a lot.  Nice in that it includes 6 manufacturers of track and not just MTH.  I also can use it to design O gauge stuff for my grandson's layout.   I'm a computer guy and I'm getting ready to substantially expand and completely redesign what I have so I enjoy using the software but it's not for everyone. If anyone has used RR-track and has a layout they want to share, contact me directly and I'll be willing to exchange layouts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73513	From: vu68	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: Re: RRTrack software was RE: Lionel Hopper Cars Have Arrived

Dale, thanks for the info. I'm using version 5.1 of RRTracks - really like it,  maybe the abends were just an abnormal event that won't happen again, possibly something I'm doing wrong as a new user.  I've been pushing the envelope trying many of the features, so that also could be a contributor.  Hope my comments don't discourage anyone.  Overall, I'm very pleased. Went to your web site and have already started to download some layouts.  I'll be able to cut a past parts of those into some of my trial layouts. I'll email you directly a copy of my layout, it's a 6x10 and a 4x16 joined together with two 3 foot bridges.  I'm still working on it and will add some elevation changes, and spur/siding tracks, but RR track was helpful in getting the basic design down. Thanks again, John Zurad  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <dalefsmith@...> wrote: John, I have used RRTrack software for many years, on both Windows NT and Windows 7, and have never had problems with crashes.  I have the S, Atlas HO, and Atlas N libraries, in addition to the Lionel O.   The current version I am using is 4.02. As far as layouts are concerned, a most likely little known feature of my website, americanflyerdisplays.org, is that most of the factory display layouts have a RRtrack file for the basic track plan that you can download and manipulate with your software.  I also did a track plan for the first of the three layouts which occupied the first floor of the NY Hall of Science and there is an image of that track plan as done with RRtrack, but I neglected to put in a link to download the RRtrack file.   I hope to have that added in a few days.   I am working on a track plan of the big super layout that occupied the NY Hall of Science's first floor beginning in 1954 and lasting until it closed in 1958.  This will take a while because it is based on photos that appear on the website, in Greenberg guides, and in Train Collector's Quarterly articles.  I won't be able to vouch for its accuracy, but it will be a good faith attempt to re-create it. Here is a link to one of the pages that has a downloadable layout. http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/factory_displays/d402.htm Dale Smith On 11/21/2013 6:20 AM, vu68@... wrote:   Somewhat related is that the membership was also to include some track design software.  I've called every 6 weeks or so and it's always going to come in soon, but never has.  Gave up waiting for that and bought a product (RR-track) rather than wait.  RR-track is pretty full featured, but seems to crash a lot.  Nice in that it includes 6 manufacturers of track and not just MTH.  I also can use it to design O gauge stuff for my grandson's layout.   I'm a computer guy and I'm getting ready to substantially expand and completely redesign what I have so I enjoy using the software but it's not for everyone. If anyone has used RR-track and has a layout they want to share, contact me directly and I'll be willing to exchange layouts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73514	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertiseme

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below:   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234   Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73515	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: AF Franklin Can Motor (Advertisement)

We will have a CAN MOTOR that fits in an AF Franklin engine in a few weeks so please stand by for the announcement. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73516	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: Caboose Weights Arrive (Adsvertisement)

The NEW STEEL WEIGHTS for the pre-1966 AF 5 digit cabooses have arrived. These weights are approx.. 4oz. and make these (and other cars needing weight) cabooses into a super roller & hugger. To view/purchase use the link below:   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1385152823386   LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73517	From: rudypenne	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: Re: Caboose Weights Arrive (Adsvertisement)

You can also get lead weights (At any train store) that have an adhesive on the back & no need for drilling & a screw driver....   In a message dated 11/22/2013 12:58:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, reujan2000@... writes:   The NEW STEEL WEIGHTS for the pre-1966 AF 5 digit cabooses have arrived. These weights are approx.. 4oz. and make these (and other cars needing weight) cabooses into a super roller & hugger. To view/purchase use the link below:   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1385152823386   LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73518	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 11/22/2013
Subject: Re: AF Franklin Can Motor (Advertisement)

 At Doug Peck's suggestion I have been sucessfully using the 0-8-0 can motor for the Franklin.  You have to do a little work for the rear shell support but you would with any can motor conversion.   Kyle   -----Original Message----- We will have a CAN MOTOR that fits in an AF Franklin engine in a few weeks so please stand by for the announcement. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73519	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Caboose Weights Arrive (Adsvertisement)

These are for the 5 digit caboose, so no drilling required. The 5 digit cabooses already have the hole in the chassis. LBR On Friday, November 22, 2013 6:29 PM, "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> wrote:   You can also get lead weights (At any train store) that have an adhesive on the back & no need for drilling & a screw driver....   In a message dated 11/22/2013 12:58:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, reujan2000@... writes:   The NEW STEEL WEIGHTS for the pre-1966 AF 5 digit cabooses have arrived. These weights are approx.. 4oz. and make these (and other cars needing weight) cabooses into a super roller & hugger. To view/purchase use the link below:   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1385152823386   LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73520	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Scullin Drivers Arrive Dec. 2013 (Advertisement)

Arriving in December 2013:   SCULLIN STYLE WHEELS - CNC turned in black Delrin plastic with traction. With or with out white walls.   LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73521	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: S helper track Switches

Gentlemen I had recently taken some of my S helper switches out of storage and have had problems with them sticking and not passing current. I was wondering if any of you had experience in the caring and feeding of these items and might have found some solutions.   Regards and thanks, Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73522	From: rudypenne	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Caboose Weights (Advertisement)

Sorry Dave, My error...The post I should have replied to is below...Mike   In a message dated 11/18/2013 8:43:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, reujan2000@... writes:   As we all know the 3 digit pre-1966 cabooses rolled quite nicely but the roll ability of the later 5 digit cabooses was not at all optimum. The trucks were just super except for that nasty pike master coupling system which probably helped to put AF out of business.      The point of this line is to inform you all of the up coming NEW CABOOSE WEIGHT for the 5 digit cabooses. This weight can be installed in less than five minutes using a small center punch and a common screw driver. This weight comes with it's own mounting screw and weighs around 1.5 oz. which is more than enough added weight to make these cabooses preform admirably. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73523	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/24/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 24, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73524	From: rudypenne	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Caboose Weights (Advertisement)

Dave, is it 1.5 oz or 4 oz? Mike   In a message dated 11/23/2013 10:10:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, anormal1@... writes:   Sorry Dave, My error...The post I should have replied to is below...Mike   In a message dated 11/18/2013 8:43:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, reujan2000@... writes:   As we all know the 3 digit pre-1966 cabooses rolled quite nicely but the roll ability of the later 5 digit cabooses was not at all optimum. The trucks were just super except for that nasty pike master coupling system which probably helped to put AF out of business.      The point of this line is to inform you all of the up coming NEW CABOOSE WEIGHT for the 5 digit cabooses. This weight can be installed in less than five minutes using a small center punch and a common screw driver. This weight comes with it's own mounting screw and weighs around 1.5 oz. which is more than enough added weight to make these cabooses preform admirably. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73525	From: rick.flaherty	Date: 11/23/2013
Subject: Re: Brass 4-8-8-4

I turns out that it is a Jesse Bennett.  What an amazing find!  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <flick23@...> wrote: Hi guys, Any ideas who made this engine that I bought? http://www.ebay.com/itm/4021-Union-Pacific-locomotive-/290987119720?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=F8fDTMsAO%252BgJQmk6cf3bMlKfXxM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc It looks like I ned to find some parts. Thanks in advance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73526	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Re: Caboose Weights (Advertisement)

4 oz. On Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:09 PM, "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> wrote:   Dave, is it 1.5 oz or 4 oz? Mike   In a message dated 11/23/2013 10:10:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, anormal1@... writes:   Sorry Dave, My error...The post I should have replied to is below...Mike   In a message dated 11/18/2013 8:43:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, reujan2000@... writes:   As we all know the 3 digit pre-1966 cabooses rolled quite nicely but the roll ability of the later 5 digit cabooses was not at all optimum. The trucks were just super except for that nasty pike master coupling system which probably helped to put AF out of business.      The point of this line is to inform you all of the up coming NEW CABOOSE WEIGHT for the 5 digit cabooses. This weight can be installed in less than five minutes using a small center punch and a common screw driver. This weight comes with it's own mounting screw and weighs around 1.5 oz. which is more than enough added weight to make these cabooses preform admirably. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73527	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/24/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 24, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73528	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Re: S helper track Switches

Joe, I have some switches but never had a problem. Feel free to contact me off list and I'll give you my phone number and maybe we can get them working again. Chris Chrisandmhelburger@... or call me 513-501-7917 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Haughney" <J.Haughney1@...> wrote: > > Gentlemen > > I had recently taken some of my S helper switches out of storage and have > had problems with them sticking and not passing current. I was wondering if > any of you had experience in the caring and feeding of these items and might > have found some solutions. > > > > Regards and thanks, > > Joe Haughney >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73529	From: joez3	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: new defender set

I  just ordered a new AF defender set from lionel. It doesn't come with a power pack, does anyone know if I can use my old AF transformer from the 60's with this new set? Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73530	From: snstrains	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Re: new defender set

Sure   In a message dated 11/24/2013 6:29:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, joez3@... writes:   I  just ordered a new AF defender set from lionel. It doesn't come with a power pack, does anyone know if I can use my old AF transformer from the 60's with this new set? Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73531	From: sgaugerart	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Re: new defender set

YEP!   -----Original Message----- From: joez3 <joez3@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 7:29 pm Subject: [S-Trains] new defender set   I  just ordered a new AF defender set from lionel. It doesn't come with a power pack, does anyone know if I can use my old AF transformer from the 60's with this new set? Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73532	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Re: new defender set

 Hi-- The defender set operates with a conventional AC transformer. The sound can be turned on/off on the loco. So the answer is -- YES!! You can operate this with any AC transformer. Because the reverse is sequenced, i.e, forward, neutral, reverse, Using a power interupt button will make this process more enjoyable. Hope this helps. Thanks CJB Clement J Bianchi ----- Original Message ----- From: joez3@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] new defender set   I  just ordered a new AF defender set from lionel. It doesn't come with a power pack, does anyone know if I can use my old AF transformer from the 60's with this new set? Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73533	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/24/2013
Subject: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

My 4 yr old son has asked for a diesel to run on the All Aboard layout Santa brought him last Christmas.  His current motive power is an Erie 'Casey Jones' 4-4-0.  Does anybody know what S diesels will run on Pikemaster radius curves?  I know short step GP7's will, but they're a bit rare and pricey.  Will a Gilbert or Flyonel Baldwin run on those curves?  What about any AM engines?  Not interested in Gilbert F9's. Appreciate all feedback. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73534	From: snstrains	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

The Baldwin will run OK. (if it runs at all {:>) )   In a message dated 11/24/2013 10:56:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, sgriggs@... writes:   My 4 yr old son has asked for a diesel to run on the All Aboard layout Santa brought him last Christmas.  His current motive power is an Erie 'Casey Jones' 4-4-0.  Does anybody know what S diesels will run on Pikemaster radius curves?  I know short step GP7's will, but they're a bit rare and pricey.  Will a Gilbert or Flyonel Baldwin run on those curves?  What about any AM engines?  Not interested in Gilbert F9's. Appreciate all feedback. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73535	From: R G	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

The baldwins should do just fine.  It is possible that some of the smaller S-Helper and American Models diesels will work.  I just have never tried it.  They have enough truck rotation to easily fit the track and being short the couplers should have plenty of swing so they do not pull the car they are pulling off the track. On Monday, November 25, 2013 6:28 AM, "boss31@..." <boss31@...> wrote:   The Baldwin will run OK. (if it runs at all {:>) )   In a message dated 11/24/2013 10:56:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, sgriggs@... writes:   My 4 yr old son has asked for a diesel to run on the All Aboard layout Santa brought him last Christmas.  His current motive power is an Erie 'Casey Jones' 4-4-0.  Does anybody know what S diesels will run on Pikemaster radius curves?  I know short step GP7's will, but they're a bit rare and pricey.  Will a Gilbert or Flyonel Baldwin run on those curves?  What about any AM engines?  Not interested in Gilbert F9's. Appreciate all feedback. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73536	From: John Keating	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

I just recently set up my All Aboard panels for a display at our club show and after testing the Lionel issued Burlington GP9 at home the unit ran flawlessly for the entire show; about 7 hours. In looking at the locomotive initially I had my doubts but the testing and operation proved otherwise. John Keating Sent from my iPad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73537	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: new defender set

Should be able to, so long as it is AC and in good working order. I tend to err on the side of caution when using old transformers. One started smoking years ago and darn near caught the rug on fire. Roy Inman From: <joez3@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:26:50 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] new defender set           I  just ordered a new AF defender set from lionel. It doesn't come with a power pack, does anyone know if I can use my old AF transformer from the 60's with this new set? Thanks,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73538	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

Gilbert Baldwin, yes, but not Lionel's. Yes to small SHS and AM On Monday, November 25, 2013 6:28 AM, "boss31@..." <boss31@...> wrote:   The Baldwin will run OK. (if it runs at all {:>) )   In a message dated 11/24/2013 10:56:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, sgriggs@... writes:   My 4 yr old son has asked for a diesel to run on the All Aboard layout Santa brought him last Christmas.  His current motive power is an Erie 'Casey Jones' 4-4-0.  Does anybody know what S diesels will run on Pikemaster radius curves?  I know short step GP7's will, but they're a bit rare and pricey.  Will a Gilbert or Flyonel Baldwin run on those curves?  What about any AM engines?  Not interested in Gilbert F9's. Appreciate all feedback. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73539	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Brass 4-8-8-4

If that is one made by Jess Bennett......treat it like gold. Jess was a master locomotive builder and if you have one of his locomotives you have a prize indeed.                                                                                                 Bob                                                                                           Kalispell    From: flick23@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:45:14 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Brass 4-8-8-4   I turns out that it is a Jesse Bennett.  What an amazing find!  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <flick23@...> wrote: Hi guys, Any ideas who made this engine that I bought? http://www.ebay.com/itm/4021-Union-Pacific-locomotive-/290987119720?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=F8fDTMsAO%252BgJQmk6cf3bMlKfXxM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc It looks like I ned to find some parts. Thanks in advance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73540	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

John, The couplers had enough travel to handle the PM curves?  I thought the steps prevented enough coupler swing, hence the short step Gilbert Geep7. Scott  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <john_keating@...> wrote: I just recently set up my All Aboard panels for a display at our club show and after testing the Lionel issued Burlington GP9 at home the unit ran flawlessly for the entire show; about 7 hours. In looking at the locomotive initially I had my doubts but the testing and operation proved otherwise. John Keating Sent from my iPad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73541	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

Hi Scott, Just throwing my two cents in.�� I have run Gilbert AF AlCO's on my All Aboard sets and they seem to run real well even though they look a little funny negotiating the curves.�� With Baldwins I've had "so-so" performance mostly not too well.�� Regards, Daryl On 11/25/2013 7:11 PM, sgriggs@... wrote: �� John, The couplers had enough travel to handle the PM curves? ��I thought the steps prevented enough coupler swing, hence the short step Gilbert Geep7. Scott�� ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <john_keating@...> wrote: I just recently set up my All Aboard panels for a display at our club show and after testing the Lionel issued Burlington GP9 at home the unit ran flawlessly for the entire show; about 7 hours. In looking at the locomotive initially I had my doubts but the testing and operation proved otherwise. John Keating Sent from my iPad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73542	From: Rick	Date: 11/25/2013
Subject: Re: Brass 4-8-8-4

Hi Bob, I sure am. On Nov 25, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Robert Lampe wrote:   If that is one made by Jess Bennett......treat it like gold. Jess was a master locomotive builder and if you have one of his locomotives you have a prize indeed.                                                                                                 Bob                                                                                           Kalispell    From: flick23@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:45:14 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Brass 4-8-8-4   I turns out that it is a Jesse Bennett.  What an amazing find!  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <flick23@...> wrote: Hi guys, Any ideas who made this engine that I bought? http://www.ebay.com/itm/4021-Union-Pacific-locomotive-/290987119720?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=F8fDTMsAO%252BgJQmk6cf3bMlKfXxM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc It looks like I ned to find some parts. Thanks in advance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73543	From: JOHN KEATING	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

Scott,   Yes the couplers cleared the steps without interference or derailing cars behind the loco. I will measure the Lionel and AF GP9 and compare dimensions of truck pivot points to steps and coupler mounting locations.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73544	From: rudypenne	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: # BOARDS

Where can I get # boards for a LTI # 8000 SP GP-9    Mike  Thank You   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73545	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: # BOARDS

Try Des Plaines Hobbies they just might have some.                                                                                Bob                                                                       in Kalispell   From: anormal1@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:58:52 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: # BOARDS   Where can I get # boards for a LTI # 8000 SP GP-9    Mike  Thank You   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73546	From: snstrains	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: # BOARDS

Try this http://www.lionel.com/Products/?   Steve   In a message dated 11/26/2013 11:38:51 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, anormal1@... writes:   Where can I get # boards for a LTI # 8000 SP GP-9    Mike  Thank You   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73547	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: Brass 4-8-8-4

I knew Jess but only through the mail. He was a very nice gentleman and I enjoyed writing to him. I lost contact with him and when I finally got moved to Idaho I called to pay a visit only to find he had passed away a short time prior.         He had sent me several templates for building a Challenger using S Scale Locomotive & Supply parts and had instructed me on how to construct a boiler base. That much I can still remember but the boiler wrappers I am afraid have long since vanished. if I can find another copy or 2 of the Model Railroader cyclopedia on steam locomotives I just might be able to design the templates and if Fred Rouse can get all the parts I would need into production I just might be able to build some models of my own favorite steamers.                         Bob                     In Kalispell   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: flick23@... Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:16:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Brass 4-8-8-4   Hi Bob, I sure am. On Nov 25, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Robert Lampe wrote:   If that is one made by Jess Bennett......treat it like gold. Jess was a master locomotive builder and if you have one of his locomotives you have a prize indeed.                                                                                                 Bob                                                                                           Kalispell    From: flick23@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:45:14 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Brass 4-8-8-4   I turns out that it is a Jesse Bennett.  What an amazing find!  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <flick23@...> wrote: Hi guys, Any ideas who made this engine that I bought? http://www.ebay.com/itm/4021-Union-Pacific-locomotive-/290987119720?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&nma=true&si=F8fDTMsAO%252BgJQmk6cf3bMlKfXxM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc It looks like I ned to find some parts. Thanks in advance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73548	From: richs009	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: speaking of 4-8-8-4

As some of you know, Union Pacific is in the process of recovering one of their donated 4-8-8-4's - in this case from static display at the LA county fairgrounds in Pomona, CA  (engine #4014) - and plans to resurrect it into a real, live steam engine again.  They're in the process of moving it about a mile across the parking lot at the fairgrounds - a process they've just about finished.  The next step is to link up to the Metrolink rail trackage at the fairground boundary and then on to UP trackage for the move to Cheyenne.  In any event, pictures of this effort are posted on railpictures.net - where you will see the use of rail sections - aka 'snap track' or 'pikemaster' track (if you think 'S' gauge). pretty cool - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73549	From: Rick	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4

Was there on Saturday.  It's all the way across the mile of transition to the NW side of the grounds and just a few feet from the M-link.  They were getting it ready to jockey it around with the temp track, so they could cut in to the active line (back and forth, back and forth).  All the cement in this last staging area has been removed, I'm guessing to get it on he same level with the M-link track/make the height adjustable with shimming-plywood.  They will probably get it alligned just right so they just have to add a short portion of track, curved to the Metrolink, and go home for Thanksgiving. I've heard they'r going to cut into the active line around mid-December.  Maybe the 14th.  Rick   On Nov 26, 2013, at 4:28 PM, <richs009@...> <richs009@...> wrote:   As some of you know, Union Pacific is in the process of recovering one of their donated 4-8-8-4's - in this case from static display at the LA county fairgrounds in Pomona, CA  (engine #4014) - and plans to resurrect it into a real, live steam engine again.  They're in the process of moving it about a mile across the parking lot at the fairgrounds - a process they've just about finished.  The next step is to link up to the Metrolink rail trackage at the fairground boundary and then on to UP trackage for the move to Cheyenne.  In any event, pictures of this effort are posted on railpictures.net - where you will see the use of rail sections - aka 'snap track' or 'pikemaster' track (if you think 'S' gauge). pretty cool - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73550	From: racin510	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4

I thought they had already moved that sucker to Texas.....?  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <richs009@...> wrote: As some of you know, Union Pacific is in the process of recovering one of their donated 4-8-8-4's - in this case from static display at the LA county fairgrounds in Pomona, CA  (engine #4014) - and plans to resurrect it into a real, live steam engine again.  They're in the process of moving it about a mile across the parking lot at the fairgrounds - a process they've just about finished.  The next step is to link up to the Metrolink rail trackage at the fairground boundary and then on to UP trackage for the move to Cheyenne.  In any event, pictures of this effort are posted on railpictures.net - where you will see the use of rail sections - aka 'snap track' or 'pikemaster' track (if you think 'S' gauge). pretty cool - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73551	From: Rick	Date: 11/26/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4

I think that's 4018.  And just moving from Dallas to Frisco.  Not the same thing, but still pretty cool! On Nov 26, 2013, at 7:34 PM, <racin510@...> wrote:   I thought they had already moved that sucker to Texas.....?  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <richs009@...> wrote: As some of you know, Union Pacific is in the process of recovering one of their donated 4-8-8-4's - in this case from static display at the LA county fairgrounds in Pomona, CA  (engine #4014) - and plans to resurrect it into a real, live steam engine again.  They're in the process of moving it about a mile across the parking lot at the fairgrounds - a process they've just about finished.  The next step is to link up to the Metrolink rail trackage at the fairground boundary and then on to UP trackage for the move to Cheyenne.  In any event, pictures of this effort are posted on railpictures.net - where you will see the use of rail sections - aka 'snap track' or 'pikemaster' track (if you think 'S' gauge). pretty cool - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73552	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73553	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4

Better yet, go to UP 4014 project http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/photos_videos/bigboy/index.shtml  and get great updates from UP  They show everything from the parts they work on, to each movement You will learn a lot about steam engines This will continue until the engine is operational, so will be at least a two year education Ron Warner Shallowater, TX … along the BNSF’s Slaton Sub right-of-way P.S. formally [1946-1971] from Stumpy’s Ahia ‘stomping ground’   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] speaking of 4-8-8-4     As some of you know, Union Pacific is in the process of recovering one of their donated 4-8-8-4's - in this case from static display at the LA county fairgrounds in Pomona, CA  (engine #4014) - and plans to resurrect it into a real, live steam engine again.  They're in the process of moving it about a mile across the parking lot at the fairgrounds - a process they've just about finished.  The next step is to link up to the Metrolink rail trackage at the fairground boundary and then on to UP trackage for the move to Cheyenne.  In any event, pictures of this effort are posted on railpictures.net - where you will see the use of rail sections - aka 'snap track' or 'pikemaster' track (if you think 'S' gauge). pretty cool - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73554	From: Dale Smith	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4

I am not sure about Ron's link.�� It does not go to the site in the text, but rather to a cp.mcafee.com link.�� I got a warning from my software, so I just cut and pasted the text of the link into my browser and got there fine. Dale On 11/27/2013 7:12 AM, Warner, Ronald wrote: �� Better yet, go to UP 4014 project http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/photos_videos/bigboy/index.shtml ��and get great updates from UP�� They show everything from the parts they work on, to each movement You will learn a lot about steam engines This will continue until the engine is operational, so will be at least a two year education Ron Warner Shallowater, TX ��� along the BNSF���s Slaton Sub right-of-way P.S. formally [1946-1971] from Stumpy���s Ahia ���stomping ground��� �� From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] speaking of 4-8-8-4 �� �� As some of you know, Union Pacific is in the process of recovering one of their donated 4-8-8-4's - in this case from static display at the LA county fairgrounds in Pomona, CA�� (engine #4014) - and plans to resurrect it into a real, live steam engine again.�� They're in the process of moving it about a mile across the parking lot at the fairgrounds - a process they've just about finished.�� The next step is to link up to the Metrolink rail trackage at the fairground boundary and then on to UP trackage for the move to Cheyenne.�� In any event, pictures of this effort are posted on railpictures.net - where you will see the use of rail sections - aka 'snap track' or 'pikemaster' track (if you think 'S' gauge). pretty cool - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73555	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4

Sorry if the link isn’t working for all, as it does for me …   Never-the-less, Happy Thanksgiving !!, and “Happy railS to y’all …” from the breezy High Plains of West Texas   Ron Warner     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] speaking of 4-8-8-4     I am not sure about Ron's link.�� It does not go to the site in the text, but rather to a cp.mcafee.com link.�� I got a warning from my software, so I just cut and pasted the text of the link into my browser and got there fine. Dale On 11/27/2013 7:12 AM, Warner, Ronald wrote: �� Better yet, go to UP 4014 project http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/photos_videos/bigboy/index.shtml ��and get great updates from UP�� They show everything from the parts they work on, to each movement You will learn a lot about steam engines This will continue until the engine is operational, so will be at least a two year education Ron Warner Shallowater, TX ��� along the BNSF���s Slaton Sub right-of-way P.S. formally [1946-1971] from Stumpy���s Ahia ���stomping ground��� �� From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] speaking of 4-8-8-4 �� �� As some of you know, Union Pacific is in the process of recovering one of their donated 4-8-8-4's - in this case from static display at the LA county fairgrounds in Pomona, CA�� (engine #4014) - and plans to resurrect it into a real, live steam engine again.�� They're in the process of moving it about a mile across the parking lot at the fairgrounds - a process they've just about finished.�� The next step is to link up to the Metrolink rail trackage at the fairground boundary and then on to UP trackage for the move to Cheyenne.�� In any event, pictures of this effort are posted on railpictures.net - where you will see the use of rail sections - aka 'snap track' or 'pikemaster' track (if you think 'S' gauge). pretty cool - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73556	From: Rick	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4

Same to you! On Nov 27, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Warner, Ronald wrote:   Sorry if the link isn’t working for all, as it does for me …   Never-the-less, Happy Thanksgiving !!, and “Happy railS to y’all …” from the breezy High Plains of West Texas   Ron Warner     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] speaking of 4-8-8-4     I am not sure about Ron's link.�� It does not go to the site in the text, but rather to a cp.mcafee.com link.�� I got a warning from my software, so I just cut and pasted the text of the link into my browser and got there fine. Dale On 11/27/2013 7:12 AM, Warner, Ronald wrote: �� Better yet, go to UP 4014 project http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/photos_videos/bigboy/index.shtml ��and get great updates from UP�� They show everything from the parts they work on, to each movement You will learn a lot about steam engines This will continue until the engine is operational, so will be at least a two year education Ron Warner Shallowater, TX ��� along the BNSF���s Slaton Sub right-of-way P.S. formally [1946-1971] from Stumpy���s Ahia ���stomping ground��� �� From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] speaking of 4-8-8-4 �� �� As some of you know, Union Pacific is in the process of recovering one of their donated 4-8-8-4's - in this case from static display at the LA county fairgrounds in Pomona, CA�� (engine #4014) - and plans to resurrect it into a real, live steam engine again.�� They're in the process of moving it about a mile across the parking lot at the fairgrounds - a process they've just about finished.�� The next step is to link up to the Metrolink rail trackage at the fairground boundary and then on to UP trackage for the move to Cheyenne.�� In any event, pictures of this effort are posted on railpictures.net - where you will see the use of rail sections - aka 'snap track' or 'pikemaster' track (if you think 'S' gauge). pretty cool - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73557	From: myflyertrains	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Erector Set Model - The Falkirk Wheel!

Hello folks, For those of you who also like Erector Sets, take a look at the front page of my website, MyFlyerTrains.org. I met a gentlemen named Rich Hooper on my recent vacation. It turned out his hobby is restoring Erector Sets, and his latest model is very special! Take a look this holiday weekend! Happy Thanksgiving to All. Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73558	From: richs009	Date: 11/27/2013
Subject: Re: speaking of 4-8-8-4

The pictures and videos on the UP website (which links ok for me) are a couple of weeks behind - latest and greatest pictures are at railpictures.net.  Last one was 11-25-13, I think (where the Big Boy is on one side of the fence and the passing Metrolink train is on the other). As someone else pointed out, the 4-8-8-4 that was moved from Dallas to a nearby 'burb last August was indeed #4018, going from one static display to another.  Pictures of that move are also at railpictures.net, as are pix from the move of the Big Boy at Steamtown (back in the mid 1980's).  I have no stake in railpictures - other than the fact that some of the best photographs I've seen - rail or not - are posted there.  I wish my attempts were half as good. -Rich ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <ronald.warner@...> wrote: Sorry if the link isn’t working for all, as it does for me …   Never-the-less, Happy Thanksgiving !!, and “Happy railS to y’all …” from the breezy High Plains of West Texas   Ron Warner     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] speaking of 4-8-8-4     I am not sure about Ron's link.�� It does not go to the site in the text, but rather to a cp.mcafee.com link.�� I got a warning from my software, so I just cut and pasted the text of the link into my browser and got there fine. Dale On 11/27/2013 7:12 AM, Warner, Ronald wrote: �� Better yet, go to UP 4014 project http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/photos_videos/bigboy/index.shtml ��and get great updates from UP�� They show everything from the parts they work on, to each movement You will learn a lot about steam engines This will continue until the engine is operational, so will be at least a two year education Ron Warner Shallowater, TX ��� along the BNSF���s Slaton Sub right-of-way P.S. formally [1946-1971] from Stumpy���s Ahia ���stomping ground��� �� From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009@... Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] speaking of 4-8-8-4 �� �� As some of you know, Union Pacific is in the process of recovering one of their donated 4-8-8-4's - in this case from static display at the LA county fairgrounds in Pomona, CA�� (engine #4014) - and plans to resurrect it into a real, live steam engine again.�� They're in the process of moving it about a mile across the parking lot at the fairgrounds - a process they've just about finished.�� The next step is to link up to the Metrolink rail trackage at the fairground boundary and then on to UP trackage for the move to Cheyenne.�� In any event, pictures of this effort are posted on railpictures.net - where you will see the use of rail sections - aka 'snap track' or 'pikemaster' track (if you think 'S' gauge). pretty cool - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73559	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Thanksgiving STUMPY'S MACHINE

Just a brief note here that the message today on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com is "Machines vs. Electronics."  Enjoy your Holiday! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73560	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Re: AF Rocket Launcher # 25046

Hi Mike   If you are still looking for that part Tom Seccia may have them seccia@... Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlprell@... Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:13 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Rocket Launcher # 25046     Subject: AF Rocket Launcher #25046 I'm attempting to repair an AF Rocket Launcher # 25046. The two prong release mechanism that is activated by the solenoid has a broken fork and has become distorted due to my trying to  "fix" it. I'm looking for a replacement. If that's not possible, is there anyone in this group who can post a photo of what one of these should actually look like. My Grand kids would really appreciate it. Thanks. Mike Prell TCA # 91-32804

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73561	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Truck Spreaders From FICUS PRODUCTS of OHIO (Advertisement)

Truck Spreaders from FICUS PRODUCTS of Hamilton Ohio are now available for your purchase and may be viewed at:   http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/FICUS-PRODUCTS.html   This new tool has been months in the making and will be the easiest tool to use you have ever used. NO MORE LOOSENING TRUCK SIDE FRAMES. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73562	From: snstrains	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Thanksgiving

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you and yours. Thanks for all the years of patronage.   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73563	From: EDWARD	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving

To All, To Your Homes. From the homes of your list owners and Moderators, Have a Happy Thanksgiving. Don't forget to give thanks to many things and be thankful for what you do have.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73564	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/28/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

John, Thanks for the feedback.  I've got my eye on some Flyonel SD9's, which I think are much nicer than a GP7, 9, or 20 from the 80s or 90s.   Scott ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <john_keating@...> wrote: Scott,   Yes the couplers cleared the steps without interference or derailing cars behind the loco. I will measure the Lionel and AF GP9 and compare dimensions of truck pivot points to steps and coupler mounting locations.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73565	From: stephen.terni	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: Re: AF Rocket Launcher # 25046

Mike, In case you cannot find the part you need, I posted a photo of the firing mechanism.  Hope that helps. Steve Terni  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <americanflyer@...> wrote: Hi Mike   If you are still looking for that part Tom Seccia may have them seccia@... Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlprell@... Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:13 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Rocket Launcher # 25046     Subject: AF Rocket Launcher #25046 I'm attempting to repair an AF Rocket Launcher # 25046. The two prong release mechanism that is activated by the solenoid has a broken fork and has become distorted due to my trying to  "fix" it. I'm looking for a replacement. If that's not possible, is there anyone in this group who can post a photo of what one of these should actually look like. My Grand kids would really appreciate it. Thanks. Mike Prell TCA # 91-32804

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73566	From: michael prell	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: AF #25046 Rocket Launcher

A short time ago I posted a request for advice regarding the repair of my AF # 25046  Rocket Launcher. I am happy to report that I was able, after much trial and error to create a substitute for the broken release arm.It's ugly but it works. Took me countless tries to get it right but that's another story. If anyone out there should happen to have a #25046 that has a similar issue and if the release arm is not broken (arm missing) carefully remove the blue housing. To make life easier allow the mouse trap arm to rest on the car's floor (No tension). Next gently slide the main spring gently away from where it is attached to the MTA.This can easily be reversed for re-assembly. Next take a look at the release arm. The two arms must be parallel to the lower arms below the two bent hooks. If they are not, the ]-shaped  cross bar will not slide UNDER the arms of the release arm, thus making it impossible to "cock the trigger" This can be easily tested by sliding the MTA to the right until it makes contact with the release arms. The cross-bar must slide UNDER the two arms until it reaches the catch ( right angle bend ). At this point the mechanism is re-cocked. If not, carefully adjust the arms until the cross bar makes contact and is able to push the release back to where it locks. Now all one has to do is re-connect the main spring to the MTA. Simply move the MTA back to the floor of the car and carefully re-attach the spring.  Once done, carefully cock the mechanism. Now would be a good time to "test fire" the release spring by using your power supply. If all goes well the solenoid will activate the release arms.If not then the bend can be adjusted to allow easy release. It's tricky but with patience it will work. Now all one has left to do is re-attach the housing. Hint. String helps. So does re-cocking the mouse trap .  I would like  to thank everyone for all of the advice I received. I would like to but can't because for some reason I received NONE None except from a fine gentleman who resides in Ohio. Thanks for your encouragement my friend! Michael L. Prell TCA# 91-32804     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73567	From: mlprell	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: Re: AF Rocket Launcher # 25046

Thanks, Steve! How do I view your post?  Mike  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <stephen.terni@...> wrote: Mike, In case you cannot find the part you need, I posted a photo of the firing mechanism.  Hope that helps. Steve Terni  ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <americanflyer@...> wrote: Hi Mike   If you are still looking for that part Tom Seccia may have them seccia@... Stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlprell@... Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:13 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Rocket Launcher # 25046     Subject: AF Rocket Launcher #25046 I'm attempting to repair an AF Rocket Launcher # 25046. The two prong release mechanism that is activated by the solenoid has a broken fork and has become distorted due to my trying to  "fix" it. I'm looking for a replacement. If that's not possible, is there anyone in this group who can post a photo of what one of these should actually look like. My Grand kids would really appreciate it. Thanks. Mike Prell TCA # 91-32804

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73568	From: reujan2000	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: FICUS BRAND Authorizes LBR To Sell Spreaders (Advertisement)

We have been authorized to sell the new FICUS BRAND truck side frame spreaders used on AF pre-1966 trucks.     This new tool comes with interchangeable spreader tips that accommodate both sintered and stamped metal trucks.      Cost of this tool is $24.50 USD per set which includes FREE SHIPPING via USPS PRIORITY MAIL.      The FIRST SHIPPING DATE is 12-20-2013 and can be viewed / purchased at our web site at:   http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/AF-Parts.html?_=1385746480829   Thank you all for your continuing support. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73569	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: For Sale: Four NIB American Models & S-Helper Engines

For informational purposes, I show Greenberg book values; make offer. American Models 9832 NY Central FA-2                        $250 American Models FP7006 Pennsy FP-7                           $250 S Helper Service 00112 Conrail SW-9 #8922                  $200 S Helper Service 01253 AT&SF NW-2 Diesel #12403    $200 I am told all are AC/HighRail in mint condition in the original box, but I do not yet have them in hand to verify that. Before I ask you to send me any money, I will get them from the owner and verify condition. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73570	From: bobgarm	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving STUMPY'S MACHINE

Stumpy Thanks for you advice (back in February) on my fixing my #343 NPS 0-8-0 (back then I typed in 2-8-0 and that threw you).  Finally got time to disassemble, diagnose, and fix.  The lube on the axle for the set of  wheels with the crank arm had solidified,  Was holding that axle tight and putting a drag on the motor.  Explains why the engine ran when it got really warm -- the grease melted. So strategic spritzes of tuner cleaner and then new light lube job and it now runs as good as ever.   To diagnose, I pulled off all all the running gear and hardware.  I had a couple of missteps reconnecting it all correctly. Glad I shot iphotos way back when before I started.  Pics in my old Greenburg book helped too  Thanks again for your sage advice. ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <mrstumpy@...> wrote: Just a brief note here that the message today on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com is "Machines vs. Electronics."  Enjoy your Holiday! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73571	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 11/29/2013
Subject: diagram for Bell Danger Signal No 23753

Does anyone have the hookup diagram for the bell danger signal, portlines if offline for now and havent been able to find it,  when light comes on it allows a boost in the track voltage, dont know if its short are does that, i can press the mirco switch and light on my passenger train comes on and train trys to start, want to make sure i have it hooked up correctly before looking for a short thks vm Jim Davidson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73572	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: St Louis train club

Does anyone know of the St Louis Mo. train club and when they allow visiters? My grandson want to see toy trains in actions, he is very interested.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73573	From: herbw202	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: St Louis train club

Their email is: afsgsla@...  Herb Wasserman ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <jad01@...> wrote: Does anyone know of the St Louis Mo. train club and when they allow visiters? My grandson want to see toy trains in actions, he is very interested.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73574	From: rhicks308	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: diagram for Bell Danger Signal No 23753

You have the 696 track trip on the wrong rail.  The contact needs to be against the base post rail.  Just reverse it and it should be OK. Randall ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <jad01@...> wrote: Does anyone have the hookup diagram for the bell danger signal, portlines if offline for now and havent been able to find it,  when light comes on it allows a boost in the track voltage, dont know if its short are does that, i can press the mirco switch and light on my passenger train comes on and train trys to start, want to make sure i have it hooked up correctly before looking for a short thks vm Jim Davidson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73575	From: srgriggs	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: liveauctioneers auction site--opinions?

I am looking at the liveauctioneers site for the first time and noticing a lot of Flyer items (both new and Gilbert production) seem to be going for significantly less than I would expect them to sell for on eBay.  For example, I saw a two car Flyonel set of NYC heavyweights sold for $30 and some very nice postwar Flyer passenger sets sell for much less than what they typically go of on eBay.  Does anyone have experience buying stuff listed on liveauctioneers?  Why would someone list on that site rather than eBay? Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73576	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: liveauctioneers auction site--opinions?

Scott, I've bought some items on liveauctioneers with no issues.�� Keep in mind that there is a difference between that site and eBay.�� Liveauctioneers specializes in actual "live" auctions that are held at auction houses.�� You are competing against people in a "real time" situation that are at a physical location. This interaction between bidders can drive the final price up. �� If you win, you will be also be paying a "Buyer's Premium" usually 18% or more on top of the final bid price.�� Like eBay, you will pay all shipping cost. In my experience, I have managed to get items for lower prices on eBay than at "live" auctions that have internet bidding.�� Others may have had a different experience.�� You don't pay a "buyer's Premium" on eBay which is a plus.�� Now at an auction house "live" auction you may find a better grade of items.�� This is because with a good auctioneer that invests in good advertising can possibly bring in a higher overall total of cash for the seller.�� Now the other thing too that a seller has to consider is that just like eBay, the seller has to pay a percentage of the final total to the auctioneer. This is just my "two cents" based on over 20 years of using both venues to purchase items for my collection.�� I am sure others will share their opinions and experiences with you.�� Good luck with whatever venue you decide to use.�� Oh, based on your e-mail address, looks like we don't live too far away from each other. Daryl On 11/30/2013 11:21 AM, sgriggs@... wrote: �� I am looking at the liveauctioneers site for the first time and noticing a lot of Flyer items (both new and Gilbert production) seem to be going for significantly less than I would expect them to sell for on eBay. ��For example, I saw a two car Flyonel set of NYC heavyweights sold for $30 and some very nice postwar Flyer passenger sets sell for much less than what they typically go of on eBay. ��Does anyone have experience buying stuff listed on liveauctioneers? ��Why would someone list on that site rather than eBay? Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73577	From: cbtrainnut3	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: S-Helper bumper

Hi all, if anyone has an extra end of track bumper, lighted or unlighted, and you would be willing to sell it or trade for something please contact me at chrisandmhelburger@.... Thanks, Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73578	From: UNLV666@...	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper bumper

Try Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbies.     In a message dated 11/30/2013 3:49:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, chrisandmhelburger@... writes:   Hi all, if anyone has an extra end of track bumper, lighted or unlighted, and you would be willing to sell it or trade for something please contact me at chrisandmhelburger@.... Thanks, Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73579	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/1/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 1, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73580	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper bumper

Fred’s Train Shop in Overland Park, KS has a few unlighted bumpers. Roy Inman From: <UNLV666@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:33:12 -0500 (EST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper bumper           Try Doug Peck at Portlines Hobbies.     In a message dated 11/30/2013 3:49:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, chrisandmhelburger@... writes:      Hi all, if anyone has an extra end of track bumper, lighted or  unlighted, and you would be willing to sell it or trade for something  please contact me at chrisandmhelburger@.... Thanks, Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73581	From: James Lyle	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper bumper

I have bumpers and other SHS in stock, NIB. Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 30, 2013, at 1:55 PM, "cbtrainnut3" <chrisandmhelburger@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > if anyone has an extra end of track bumper, lighted or unlighted, and you would > be willing to sell it or trade for something please contact me at > chrisandmhelburger@.... Thanks, Chris > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73582	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 11/30/2013
Subject: Gilbert Switch Question

Greetings! Having a problem with a Flyer manual switch .... the reverse unit cycles when the tender wheels reach the midpoint of the switch. The problem seems to be caused by the "plastic point" molded into the switch base. I have worn it down enough that the pick-up wheels "rock" or drop into the "dip", breaking contact. Need the wisdom of the group for possible solutions? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73583	From: rpuls3	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: Any Ideas on Removing Paint Overspray from Plastic

This reply is to Bob, Thank you for the suggestion, it is from a while back, about using purple degreaser to strip paint. I tried just applying it to the paint with a brush with no success. The next attempt was to put the degreaser in tank and soak the shell in it, worked like a charm the paint just floated off in about 1/2 hour. Thank you Ray   ---In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <canambob91710k@...> wrote: Pine Sol will remove paint but also will attack some plastics. When stripping paint from old Flyer shells I use Super Clean degreaser. It's purple colored and found at auto parts stores , K Mart or Walmart. Bob Hendrickson Sent from my iPod On Feb 2, 2013, at 11:57 PM, "Peter" <jungerpg@...> wrote: > I'm trying to rescue an AF Sawmill that has some paint and some paint spattering on parts of the plastic base which has "wood grain" finish in the plastic. > > I've tried for soapy water soak and brush, but that hasn't worked. I read that PineSol in hot water bath might work; I'll try that tomorrow. > > Appreciate any advice. > > Thanks, > > sanpedroflyer > Pete Junger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73584	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: (no subject)

RE: Gilbert switch question One thing I have found using Gilbert Flyer switches with Gilbert engines is that you need to make sure that the tender trucks are not warped out of shape. I have seen cases where the wheels on tenders trucks do not contact the track evenly. They can be bent back in shape by hand and this solves the problem, to check lift the tender from the track and see if the wheels come in contact in pairs or if they contact diagonally. Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73585	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert Switch Question

Hi Charles-- If your Loco is loosing electrical contact, you could try using an electrical lubricant spray on the switch. Another fix would be to set the E unit in 1 direction so it can't reverse. That's OK for running, but not switching. I.ve been using dallee electronic E units, which are more reliable, but will still cycle when losing electric contact. I have had some success with soldering bus wire unto the power track to build it up, but it isn't that easy to accomplish. Thanks CJB ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Hancock To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 11:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Switch Question   Greetings! Having a problem with a Flyer manual switch .... the reverse unit cycles when the tender wheels reach the midpoint of the switch. The problem seems to be caused by the "plastic point" molded into the switch base. I have worn it down enough that the pick-up wheels "rock" or drop into the "dip", breaking contact. Need the wisdom of the group for possible solutions? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73586	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: St Louis train club

The St. Louis train club department store display layout has been moved from the now closed Macy's downtown to the Museum of Transportation and is on display along with a companion multi gauge layout. See the museum website for hours of operation. Bill Drake St. Louis and working from phone or would provide the link

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73587	From: johntech	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert Switch Question

Charlie   If the plastic point is worn down maybe you could build it back up with a piece of thin styrene glued to plastic point Just a thought     John Frankforther     ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Hancock To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 11:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Switch Question   Greetings! Having a problem with a Flyer manual switch .... the reverse unit cycles when the tender wheels reach the midpoint of the switch. The problem seems to be caused by the "plastic point" molded into the switch base. I have worn it down enough that the pick-up wheels "rock" or drop into the "dip", breaking contact. Need the wisdom of the group for possible solutions? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73588	From: LBR Photo Cards, Dave	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert Switch Question

All wheel contact tender trucks eliminate most of the problems. LBR On Sunday, December 1, 2013 9:26 AM, Clement J Bianchi <cj@...> wrote:   Hi Charles-- If your Loco is loosing electrical contact, you could try using an electrical lubricant spray on the switch. Another fix would be to set the E unit in 1 direction so it can't reverse. That's OK for running, but not switching. I.ve been using dallee electronic E units, which are more reliable, but will still cycle when losing electric contact. I have had some success with soldering bus wire unto the power track to build it up, but it isn't that easy to accomplish. Thanks CJB ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Hancock To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 11:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Switch Question   Greetings! Having a problem with a Flyer manual switch .... the reverse unit cycles when the tender wheels reach the midpoint of the switch. The problem seems to be caused by the "plastic point" molded into the switch base. I have worn it down enough that the pick-up wheels "rock" or drop into the "dip", breaking contact. Need the wisdom of the group for possible solutions? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73589	From: Jim Alessio	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: A.C. Gilbert - The man who saved Christmas

From today's Richmond Times Dispatch (Virginia newspaper): http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/their-opinion/columnists-blogs/charles-f-bryan-jr/no-war-on-toys-the-man-who-saved-christmas/article_8665874c-47fc-5e4a-9777-855627ab389a.html -- Jim Alessio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73590	From: traindavid	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Gilbert switch problems

Switch problems can be vexing, as there are many possible solutions/causes. Surprisingly, one cause can be to much “rock” or play in the tender truck pivot caused by a worn out insulating bushing! Another can be an out-of-alignment truck; the two sides are not in the same plane (a twist in the truck, if you like). Along with this issue is the possible contact wiper not sprung enough. OK, that’s engine possible problems. The switch itself can have multiple issues. The base can be warped, as can the frog itself. The tail ends of the frog can be bent, not allowing the frog to be completely closed at the point—this can be carefully adjusted (I use needle nose pliers). Also the detent underneath the base can be in the wrong spot (it is adjustable!) allowing the frog to slightly open when the train goes over it. The frog has a spring, normally in fine shape, as there is no electrical conduction through it (typically what happens to motor springs; they get warmed up by the electrical load and lose their temper--sometimes causing the owner to lose his/her temper too!,) but if it has lost some spring, it might not be strong enough to keep the frog from being moved by the locomotive’s weight. There’s a balance there between switch motor pull and the spring tension—this is what sometimes causes a sluggish switch (this does not apply to the 720s, as they use a different mechanism entirely to hold the frog in position). Hope this helps some! S’ David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73591	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/1/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 1, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73592	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Pre-Christmas Sale (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73593	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/1/2013
Subject: Re: S-Helper bumper

Jim, do you have lighted bumpers? Roy Inman From: James Lyle <WJJIM@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:02:36 -0500 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper bumper           I have bumpers and other SHS in stock, NIB. Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 30, 2013, at 1:55 PM, "cbtrainnut3" <chrisandmhelburger@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > if anyone has an extra end of track bumper, lighted or unlighted, and you would > be willing to sell it or trade for something please contact me at > chrisandmhelburger@.... Thanks, Chris > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73594	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/2/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert Switch Question

Both wheelsets of the tender truck should have a metal wheel on one side. They're far enough apart that it's not possible for both of them to be on the plastic part at the same time. That's how Gilbert prevented loss of power on switches. Do you possibly have only one metal wheel in the truck? Is the other plastic? If so, that would cause the problem. Another possibility is that your tender wheels are so dirty that when one is on the plastic, the other doesn't have good enough electrical contact. Alternative three: when one wheel rocks down into the gap, does the other lift off the rail? Alternative four,:when one wheel rocks down into the gap, do both metal wheels on the other side of the tender lift up off the track, thereby losing electrical contact? Alternative five: could it be that the entire movable part of the switch has no power? Manually move the engine onto the switch in a position where both pick up wheels are on the movable part. Then turn on the track power and see if the engine moves. If not, that's your problem. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 1, 2013, at 7:42 AM, "LBR Photo Cards, Dave" <reujan2000@...> wrote:   All wheel contact tender trucks eliminate most of the problems. LBR On Sunday, December 1, 2013 9:26 AM, Clement J Bianchi <cj@...> wrote:   Hi Charles-- If your Loco is loosing electrical contact, you could try using an electrical lubricant spray on the switch. Another fix would be to set the E unit in 1 direction so it can't reverse. That's OK for running, but not switching. I.ve been using dallee electronic E units, which are more reliable, but will still cycle when losing electric contact. I have had some success with soldering bus wire unto the power track to build it up, but it isn't that easy to accomplish. Thanks CJB ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Hancock To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 11:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Switch Question   Greetings! Having a problem with a Flyer manual switch .... the reverse unit cycles when the tender wheels reach the midpoint of the switch. The problem seems to be caused by the "plastic point" molded into the switch base. I have worn it down enough that the pick-up wheels "rock" or drop into the "dip", breaking contact. Need the wisdom of the group for possible solutions? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73595	From: momhondo	Date: 12/2/2013
Subject: SHS Reading caboose

Does anyone know where I can get a SHS READING Caboose

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73596	From: Dr Trains	Date: 12/2/2013
Subject: Re: St Louis train club

Hi to you all, best seasons greatings and a wonderful new Year. Hope all is well and you have some trains running...Peter On Sunday, December 1, 2013 8:24 AM, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote:   The St. Louis train club department store display layout has been moved from the now closed Macy's downtown to the Museum of Transportation and is on display along with a companion multi gauge layout. See the museum website for hours of operation. Bill Drake St. Louis and working from phone or would provide the link

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73597	From: snstrains	Date: 12/2/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Reading caboose

If no one on this list has one, try Bill Parr   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho   In a message dated 12/2/2013 12:26:49 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Dmjp@... writes:   Does anyone know where I can get a SHS READING Caboose

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73598	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/2/2013
Subject: Trainworld sale

Trainworld is selling Flyonel round window cabooses for $14.95. Roy Inman From: <boss31@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 14:30:50 -0500 (EST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS Reading caboose           If no one on this list has one, try Bill Parr   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho   In a message dated 12/2/2013 12:26:49 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Dmjp@... writes:      Does anyone know where I can get a SHS READING Caboose

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73599	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: LotS of S for Sale

I have just completed a major update to the S scale/S gauge For Sale page of my website: <thegilbertgallery.org/For%20Sale%20Pages/for_sale_S_Scale.html> It reflects a new collection I recently received and additional items from one of the large collections I've been handling, as well as the removal of items recently sold. There are still a lot of Mint condition Lionel Flyer engines and cars, and a mint condition Union Pacific Pony Express streamliner set with add-on cars and B-unit, available from two motivated sellers. Make offer and get a great deal! There are American Models and S Helper engines. There is a beautiful set of red-stripe streamliners, a smart looking 336 Northern, a 360/364 Santa Fe diesel PA/PB set, and some accessories. And there is a batch of late-model three digit freight cars in original boxes, mostly five-digit boxes stamped with 1957 and 1958 dates. And more than 100 back issues of S Gaugian magazine. And lots, lots more! Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73600	From: poniaj	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: Re: Trainworld sale

Roy, I couldn't find it on their site or on-line catalog. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73601	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: Re: Trainworld sale

I see now that it was apparently a Cyber Monday sale only Roy Inman From: <poniaj@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 07:24:05 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Trainworld sale           Roy, I couldn't find it on their site or on-line catalog. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73602	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: "Prairie Dog" Project Part Four

Just posted on Chuck Harrington's My Flyer Trains http://myflyertrains.org ) is Part Four of the "Prairie Dog" project to modify a common plastic Pacific into a 2-6-2 with some back dating changes.  In this installment we extend and "cap" the stck to get a slightly older look, discuss a cheap source for back dating parts, and putting figures in the cab. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73603	From: tw_y10	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: S-Helper SW-1

I have to sell off some of my collection unfortunately, we will be selling our house in a year or two. Since I will never sell my AF that I've had for over 60 years, I'm  selling the newer stuff first. Is on Ebay This engine is like brand new, see http://www.ebay.com/itm/141131461449?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Tom Young

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73604	From: vito4cal	Date: 12/3/2013
Subject: 2014 S West 9

2014 O Scale West & S West 9   Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi!   There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, clinics, videos & contest.   The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running – bring your equipment to run on the layout.  Equipment must meet NASG standards.     Convention info:   February 6 - 8, 2014 Hyatt Regency Santa Clara 5101 Great America Parkway Santa Clara, CA  95054 Reservations: 800-233-1234 Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234 Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939   Admission: $30 for registrations postmarked by December 31, 2013; $35 at the door; registration includes spouse and all children under age of 18   Saturday only - $20   Table Rentals: $40/table if registration is postmarked by December 31, 2013; $45 after December 31, 2013, electrical hook up is free, tables are 30” x 72”.   Additional information & registration forms available at:  http://www.oscalewest.com.   Additional questions, please contact John Gibson offline.   Look forward to seeing you at the show.   S West Convention Committee,   John Gibson Lee Johnson Bill McClung Howard Sheffield

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73605	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertise

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73606	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: A C Gilbert documentary movie

I have just completed the final version of the A C Gilbert documentary movie in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the introduction of the ERECTOR Set. It features many American Flyer train shots. It is on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryokI-gS9mM Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73607	From: richs009	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: Erector Set Model - The Falkirk Wheel!

Chuck -- the Falkirk wheel is indeed pretty slick engineering - based on the centuries-old Archimedes principle that the mass in both bays of the wheel will always be the same, whether there is a boat in one of the bays or not.  As a result, the motor used to turn the wheel is quite small - I've forgotten what the website said - but basically it just has to be large enough to overcome inertia and friction. This wheel would not be practical for a real railroad (without moving a lot of mass around), but Hooper's Erector set application for a model railroad is still pretty neat. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73608	From: calleytwo	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

Nicely done. thank you. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 09:31:07 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] A C Gilbert documentary movie   I have just completed the final version of the A C Gilbert documentary movie in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the introduction of the ERECTOR Set. It features many American Flyer train shots. It is on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryokI-gS9mM Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73609	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

Hello Tom, Very nice video. Thanks for pulling this info together in a concise but entertaining way. I might have to show it the next time I am asked to speak to a group about AC and his AF trains. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR Near Salem, OR "the birthplace of A. C. Gilbert." Tom Barker wrote: I have just completed the final version of the A C Gilbert documentary movie in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the introduction of the ERECTOR Set. It features many American Flyer train shots. It is on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryokI-gS9mM Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73610	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

Nice job, Tom. On 12/4/2013 9:31 AM, Thomas Barker wrote:   I have just completed the final version of the A C Gilbert documentary movie in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the introduction of the ERECTOR Set. It features many American Flyer train shots. It is on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryokI-gS9mM Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73611	From: pkrae	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

Great Job! I really enjoyed this! Just in time in viewing for Christmas, too!   john   <>   From: Thomas Barker <tbbeqa@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 7:31 AM Subject: [S-Trains] A C Gilbert documentary movie   I have just completed the final version of the A C Gilbert documentary movie in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the introduction of the ERECTOR Set. It features many American Flyer train shots. It is on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryokI-gS9mM Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73612	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/4/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

On 12/4/2013 7:31 AM, Thomas Barker wrote: > I have just completed the final version of the A C Gilbert documentary > movie in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the introduction of the > ERECTOR Set. It features many American Flyer train shots. > > It is on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryokI-gS9mM > > Tom That is an incredible production! As a baby boomer, I grew up with A.C. Gilbert products. From my first trains in 1952 all the way though my high school years in 1964. I have trains, erector sets, chemistry sets and microscopes that my dad bought for me all through he years for Christmas and birthdays. They remind me what a kid my dad really was and how much I learned from playing with them. I even still have the number 300 store display that my dad bought from the Phelps Dodge Mercantile Store in Morenci Arizona in 1954 or so. The only part that I still don't have is the tunnel which disappeared many years ago. Your video reminded me how much that I need to set up that store display again and play with it. Thanks for the wonderful memories! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73613	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

Great job on the video!   I still have my early 1950’s AF trains and three Erector sets.   Jerry F.    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Barker Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 6:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] A C Gilbert documentary movie     I have just completed the final version of the A C Gilbert documentary movie in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the introduction of the ERECTOR Set. It features many American Flyer train shots. It is on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryokI-gS9mM Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73614	From: David Highfield	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

Super! Many Thanks. -Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73615	From: aftrains4u	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Available American Flyer Added to Website

Good morning s-train members.  I have added more classic AF products on my website @ www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  They include a 312 Pacific (1947); 322 Hudson (1947); 302 AC Atlantic; 654 Pullman Observation (dark green); 718 Mail Pickup & 650 NH Coach (both red); 718 Mail Pickup & 651 NH Baggage (both green); and a 755 Talking Station.  They are all in nice condition.   Take a look and you may see something for Christmas.  Thank you for your past participation. You all have a wonderful day and upcoming weekend!  Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73616	From: Timboy	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

That really WAS extremely well done, Tom. Nice footage, editing, etc. Excellent production. You are a credit to the gauge and you done AC proud. BRAVO! ...Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Barker <tbbeqa@...> wrote: > > I have just completed the final version of the A C Gilbert documentary movie in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the introduction of the ERECTOR Set. It features many American Flyer train shots. > > It is on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryokI-gS9mM > > > > Tom > > Thomas B Barker > 1223 Lake Point Drive > Webster, NY 14580 > (585) 265-4015 > tbbeqa@... > Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains > https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73617	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

From: Alan Lambert          Fort Worth, Texas I am fixing to celebrate my 63rd birthday by running my K325 that I got when I was 3 years old. Yes it still rens.     Alan Lambert   On Thursday, December 5, 2013 5:15 AM, Gerald Feldman <gfeldman2904@...> wrote:   Great job on the video!   I still have my early 1950’s AF trains and three Erector sets.   Jerry F.    From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Barker Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 6:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] A C Gilbert documentary movie     I have just completed the final version of the A C Gilbert documentary movie in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the introduction of the ERECTOR Set. It features many American Flyer train shots. It is on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryokI-gS9mM Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73618	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Dec. 5th

Today I ask the question "Does Auto racing have a Future?" on http://stumpysmachne.weeby.com .   The numbers are coming in, and 2013 was not a good year across all forms of racing.  Long term, things look "iffy." Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73619	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: READING RR Passenger Cars (Advertisement)

In the near future we will be bringing the OLD TIME flyer yellow #27xxx series passenger cars to our auction. These cars for the most part will be painted dark green and lettered in dulux gold for either "READING", "PHILIDELPHIA READING" or "READING COMPANY". These cars will have LED lighting in and out as necessary with other special features as time dictates plus all wheel contact trucks. We have been asked by several READING fans to do this so we are honoring their requests.      Thank you all for your continuing support. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73620	From: jimbogodofunix	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Wow Toyz kitbashing

After going through my dormant collection to find projects that I'd left to moulder over the past few years, one thing I found was a Wow Toyz set I'd gotten for really cheap a while ago.  The wheels are almost s-gauge and the size of the car and engine that I got are about the right size. The car is easy to do, just a matter of finding some trucks that will seem appropriate and weighting the car, but I was hoping to find a powered chassis I might be able to use. It should be self-contained if possible. I was looking at the Black Beetle stuff and that might be about right. Any other options out there? If this isn't reasonable, I guess I could try finding a gear set and doing it myself, but that's a bit beyond my comfort or time level at the moment. James

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73621	From: bruce weidner	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: Wow Toyz kitbashing

I have 2 WOW Toyz sets one steam and one diesel both passenger sets, I had similar ideas of converting to S gauge on passenger cars. There is also a freight set as well as some individual cars for separate sale on their website. I also have some kitbashing  going on in On30 as well using a unknown to me brand of battery op sets(4 of them) a new paint job, trucks and kadee couplers and they look great. "Plastic plate" for lack of a better term makes for some fun kitbashing projects.  From: "jimbogodofunix@..." <jimbogodofunix@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 4:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wow Toyz kitbashing   After going through my dormant collection to find projects that I'd left to moulder over the past few years, one thing I found was a Wow Toyz set I'd gotten for really cheap a while ago.  The wheels are almost s-gauge and the size of the car and engine that I got are about the right size. The car is easy to do, just a matter of finding some trucks that will seem appropriate and weighting the car, but I was hoping to find a powered chassis I might be able to use. It should be self-contained if possible. I was looking at the Black Beetle stuff and that might be about right. Any other options out there? If this isn't reasonable, I guess I could try finding a gear set and doing it myself, but that's a bit beyond my comfort or time level at the moment. James

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73622	From: jtkeating	Date: 12/5/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

Scott, I have been able to check the truck pivot points on the Lionel Burlington SD9 and an early Chessie GP20 and found that the GP20 has the same pivot location as the AF GP units but the SD9 has pivot points about one inch closer to the pilots that allows for a more generous swing than the AF GP units and the early Lionel AF GP units. My error in describing the Burlington SD9 as a GP9. I do not have any newer Lionel AF GP units to compare the truck pivot points. John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <sgriggs@...> wrote: > > John, Thanks for the feedback. I've got my eye on some Flyonel SD9's, which I think are much nicer than a GP7, 9, or 20 from the 80s or 90s. > > > Scott > > > ---In s-trains@yahoogroups.com, <john_keating@> wrote: > > Scott, > > Yes the couplers cleared the steps without interference or derailing cars behind the loco. I will measure the Lionel and AF GP9 and compare dimensions of truck pivot points to steps and coupler mounting locations. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73623	From: af4mark	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: how to remove aluminum passenger car floor?

Greetings, I would appreciate suggestions on how to non-destructively remove the floor of an American Flyer 660 series sheet metal floor.  I need to replace a truck.  (I have seen the suggested method on Doug Peck's site, but the trucks do not seem to fit between the skirts.)  Any help will be much appreciated!    Mark L.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73624	From: R G	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: Re: how to remove aluminum passenger car floor?

The trucks will fit but with difficulty.  All you do is keep the trucks perfectly straight and slide out the floor.  It ain't easy but it will work and not damage anything.  One note: sometimes the trucks have been smashed up towards the floor this will prevent removal of floor.  Solution is to remove the wheels and gently bend the sides towards each other and add distance between them and the floor.  This will aid in floor removal. On Friday, December 6, 2013 1:46 PM, "lember2004@..." <lember2004@...> wrote:   Greetings, I would appreciate suggestions on how to non-destructively remove the floor of an American Flyer 660 series sheet metal floor.  I need to replace a truck.  (I have seen the suggested method on Doug Peck's site, but the trucks do not seem to fit between the skirts.)  Any help will be much appreciated!    Mark L.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73625	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

Thank you for all the nice comments on my AC Gilbert documentary film. Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73626	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

It was outstanding, just less harmonica at the end, LOL, Frank   Frank R. EMIRO On Friday, December 6, 2013 1:45 PM, Thomas Barker <tbbeqa@...> wrote:   Thank you for all the nice comments on my AC Gilbert documentary film. Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73627	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: Re: Diesels for Pikemaster curves

John, No worries.  I did not remember Lionel making a Burlington Geep, so I figured you were talking about the SD9.  I found a Flyonel Chessie System SD9 on eBay and bought it for a good price, so my son should have a really nice present waiting for him on Christmas morning. One set of grandparents is kicking in a Chessie animated brakeman caboose and another a Chessie boxcar.  Although the Flyonel SD9 is only a rough approximation of the prototype, it's still an impressive looking engine and my four-year old son won't care (he'll be moving up from a Casey Jones 4-4-0, after all!).  I'm excited about the new power truck design, which has gotten pretty good reviews and sounds like a step up from the first and second generation AF diesel power truck. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73628	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 12/6/2013
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Dec. 5th

Racing? When did we become a racing group?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73629	From: Timboy	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Dec. 5th

Haven't you ever raced your Flyer trains? I did. Also, AC build a slot car set or two. ...Tim --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chrisandmhel Burger <chrisandmhelburger@...> wrote: > > Racing? When did we become a racing group? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73630	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Dec. 5th

I think when ACG geared the Franklin to do wheelies and a 7 second quarter mile.  Purely a dragster, doesn't corner well at speed   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/7/2013 1:08 AM, Chrisandmhel Burger wrote:   Racing? When did we become a racing group? This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73631	From: af4mark	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: removing aluminum car floor: Thanks to RG

Thank you to RG.  The extra note about removing the wheels and bending the sideframes a bit did the trick. Mark L. {Sorry for starting a new Topic in order to reply; for some reason the Reply button would not work.}

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73632	From: danceswithwolves49	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: The Supply Car

Does anyone have any experience with in dealing  with The Supply Car? I would like to order some of their passenger car kits  but need to know if they have been a problem or if they are A-1 in service.                          Bob In Kalispell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73633	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: LTI

Who has the large lot of LTI for sale? Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73634	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert pig

Dear Group, does anyone know where I might purchase a pair of “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ?  These are NOT the more-typical red/blue “crossing gate” stickers, but they’re red/white [ I think ] w/bold “Erector” on the side-panels. Any help is appreciated, in advance; “Happy railS to you …” Ron Warner Shallowater, TX

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73635	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/8/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 8, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73636	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: RE: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert

Hi you might want to try doug peck at portliness doug@... <mailto:doug@...> or try trains and more TRAINS <mailto:TRAINS&MORE@...> &MORE@... or tom seccia seccia@... <mailto:seccia@...> or bill parr BPARRTRAINS@... <mailto:BPARRTRAINS@...> good luck stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Warner, Ronald Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? Dear Group, does anyone know where I might purchase a pair of “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? These are NOT the more-typical red/blue “crossing gate” stickers, but they’re red/white [ I think ] w/bold “Erector” on the side-panels. Any help is appreciated, in advance; “Happy railS to you …” Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73637	From: snstrains	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: LTI

I have 70 LTI boxcars and tankers for sale Mike. But I'm not the one that listed the for sale items.   Steve   In a message dated 12/7/2013 3:07:21 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, anormal1@... writes:   Who has the large lot of LTI for sale? Mike   Anormal1 Smoke Fluid Michael Strickland 211 Summit Ave Medford, Ore 97501

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73638	From: stephen.terni	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: SHS Christmas Cars

I was setting up my Christmas trains to go around the tree today.  It consists of the Christmas engine and cars issued annually by SHS over 12 years.  Problem is I could not find the car for 1998 and am not sure if I ever had one. Does anyone know if SHS produced a Christmas car for 1998? If so what was the catalogue number? Many thanks. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73639	From: Eric	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars

The 1998 Christmas car was the 00268  Maine Central Caboose. eric in Washington State

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73640	From: sgaugerart	Date: 12/7/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars

That would be the SHS 00268 MEC Caboose with Santa and Mrs. Claus on the rear platform.  Merry Christmas!  Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73641	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: About STUMPY'S MACHINE

Chris and others...STUMPY'S MACHINE covers mechanical things, trains and cars being the most popular subjects, but there are other machine related things as well.   A new story appears every Thursday. Just go to the site and check it out for yourself:  http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com  . Coming up in the next few weeks are  "Porter Locomotives: The Little Giants,"  "The Love of Trains," "Modern Slot car Racing," "Super Power Steam," "What do hobbies cost?" and "We build the fastest airplanes in America." I love trains and cars and airplanes and...well all machinery.  So do most of my friends.  And so that's how STUMPY'S MACHINE came to tell the stories of all kinds of machinery.  There's something for everyone! Stumpy Stone in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73642	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73643	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars

Hi Steve, Our colleagues have identified it as the Maine Central Christmas Caboose. The following video (about 3 years old, now) shows that caboose rolling at the end of a train and the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezMHg4nTGg I have made some progress since then. My grandson is on my case to make more. Perhaps this winter. Merry Christmas, Bill Bill Porter The Acreage - Florida On 12/7/2013 8:29 PM, stephen.terni@... wrote: I was setting up my Christmas trains to go around the tree today.  It consists of the Christmas engine and cars issued annually by SHS over 12 years.  Problem is I could not find the car for 1998 and am not sure if I ever had one. Does anyone know if SHS produced a Christmas car for 1998? If so what was the catalogue number? Many thanks. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73644	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/8/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 8, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73645	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars

Hi Steve and Bill, I have a Maine Central Christmas Caboose (#653) that came as part of a two piece set in 2004 (catalog #01504), which contained the caboose and a Maine Central Christmas diesel engine. The caboose has Santa and his bag on the rear of the car. I don't know if the caboose was sold separately in 1998 and was combined with the engine in 2004, or if there are two different Maine Central cabooses (that seems unlikely), or if there never was a 1998 caboose. The latter actually seems the most likely to me however that's speculation. What year did the SHS Christmas set start? I have cars beginning in 1999 but could not find anything from 1998 (or before) so I'd be interested if there definitely was a 1998 car or any Christmas car prior to that by SHS for that matter. Merry Christmas, Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73646	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: Re: A C Gilbert documentary movie

Very well done!!!   It was interesting seeing the GP7 with PA trucks or at least PA sideframes…..always figured they shared parts but this is the first time I’ve seen confirmation that the extra-long Blomberg trucks were a result of using the PA parts.   Charlie Vlk .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73647	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert

Hi Ron,                           I have these in stock. Go to my regular email. seccia@....                                                           Tom Seccia                                                            Triple "S" Supplies On Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:09 PM, Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> wrote:   Hi you might want to try doug peck at portliness doug@... <mailto:doug@...> or try trains and more TRAINS <mailto:TRAINS&MORE@...> &MORE@... or tom seccia seccia@... <mailto:seccia@...> or bill parr BPARRTRAINS@... <mailto:BPARRTRAINS@...> good luck stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Warner, Ronald Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? Dear Group, does anyone know where I might purchase a pair of “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? These are NOT the more-typical red/blue “crossing gate” stickers, but they’re red/white [ I think ] w/bold “Erector” on the side-panels. Any help is appreciated, in advance; “Happy railS to you …” Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73648	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/8/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars

There are 3 different number SHS MEC Caboose's   Frank R. EMIRO On Sunday, December 8, 2013 2:28 PM, Tom Detmer <detmer@...> wrote:   Hi Steve and Bill, I have a Maine Central Christmas Caboose (#653) that came as part of a two piece set in 2004 (catalog #01504), which contained the caboose and a Maine Central Christmas diesel engine. The caboose has Santa and his bag on the rear of the car. I don't know if the caboose was sold separately in 1998 and was combined with the engine in 2004, or if there are two different Maine Central cabooses (that seems unlikely), or if there never was a 1998 caboose. The latter actually seems the most likely to me however that's speculation. What year did the SHS Christmas set start? I have cars beginning in 1999 but could not find anything from 1998 (or before) so I'd be interested if there definitely was a 1998 car or any Christmas car prior to that by SHS for that matter. Merry Christmas, Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73649	From: stephen.terni	Date: 12/9/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars

Many thanks to all of you who commented on my question regarding the SHS Christmas Cars.  I now have the missing car and the set is complete. There were a total of 12 Christmas themed items issued over the years 1998-2009, including the 1998 animated caboose and the 2004 SW-9 MEC Christmas engine.  The quality, detail and creativity reflects the high SHS standards, and I like them better than the Flyonel Holiday cars which I also collect.  Running the SHS set around the tree each Christmas has been a treat for all of our family. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73650	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 12/9/2013
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas Cars

Hi Steve, Sounds like a really nice train for around the tree!   Do you know where there is a list (link) of all the SHS Christmas cars.  Especially one with photos and SHS stock numbers.  I have some, but I'd like to know what I am missing. Thanks, Mike Andrzejewski From: "stephen.terni@..." <stephen.terni@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS Christmas Cars   Many thanks to all of you who commented on my question regarding the SHS Christmas Cars.  I now have the missing car and the set is complete. There were a total of 12 Christmas themed items issued over the years 1998-2009, including the 1998 animated caboose and the 2004 SW-9 MEC Christmas engine.  The quality, detail and creativity reflects the high SHS standards, and I like them better than the Flyonel Holiday cars which I also collect.  Running the SHS set around the tree each Christmas has been a treat for all of our family. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73651	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 12/9/2013
Subject: Re: Switch Question

Greetings! My thanks to all for the suggestions received regarding my misbehaving Gilbert manual switch. After following suggestions,It turns out that a few layers of tape on the moulded "point" stopped the cycling. Now to make the "fix" permanent. Again, my thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73652	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: SHS Seaboard boxcar

If anyone has a S Helper Service Route of the Sliver Meteor car  (SHS Item  01013) http://www.nasg.org/Products/CarType_LVL3_Box_CarsSteel_RebuiltSeaboard.htm that could be rehomed in a trade or for sale let me know. Used is fine if in good condition with no scratches or missing parts. I would prefer that the scale wheels were included but that is not a deal breaker.   I am in no hurry to make this happen so after the holidays works just as well.   Please rely directly if you have one. bill@...   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73653	From: northern83113	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: lionel buildings

hi:what would be the best way to remove the stickers on building to re-letter it.thanks.jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73654	From: Al	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Re: LTI

I have about 10 AF ACG and 25-30 AF LTI items for sale but have not listed them for quite some time. With Thanksgiving-Christmas-NewYears time hear, I have't had time to list anything.   Inquires are welcome.  Also have a few L items for sale.   Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73655	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Re: LTI

Please send me the list of Gilbert and Lionel flyer items. Thank you very much. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 10, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Al <alsflyer@...> wrote:    I have about 10 AF ACG and 25-30 AF LTI items for sale but have not listed them for quite some time. With Thanksgiving-Christmas-NewYears time hear, I have't had time to list anything.   Inquires are welcome.  Also have a few L items for sale.   Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73656	From: Noplowboy@...	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Re: LTI

do you have price and pictures? -----Original Message----- From: Al <alsflyer@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:21 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: LTI    I have about 10 AF ACG and 25-30 AF LTI items for sale but have not listed them for quite some time. With Thanksgiving-Christmas-NewYears time hear, I have't had time to list anything.   Inquires are welcome.  Also have a few L items for sale.   Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73657	From: bud9351	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Lionel cylindrical hoppers?

Hello, Did the "new" Lionel cylindrical hoppers ever get produced? I see them as "out of stock" in their on line catalog, or am I missing something? I would want one with "scale" wheels as they state in their catalog. Road name unimportant as I plan to strip and repaint.      Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73658	From: mike_fuschetto	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Set Box Question

All, I have two complete sets with the master set cartons. looking over the contents, there are two blocks of wood they measure two inches long by 3/4 by 3/4 .. and the other block is two inches by 1/2 by 1/2.. Do they belong with the sets ? If they do what are they for ? Thank you for your help and advice Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73659	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/10/2013
Subject: Re: Set Box Question

Mike, If they're steam engine sets, I believe the blocks of wood go between the tender and boiler to keep the whole engine "stiff" for shipping purposes. Regards, Daryl On 12/10/2013 9:01 PM, mikejoan45@... wrote: �� All, I have two complete sets with the master set cartons. looking over the contents, there are two blocks of wood they measure two inches long by 3/4 by 3/4 .. and the other block is two inches by 1/2 by 1/2.. Do they belong with the sets ? If they do what are they for ? Thank you for your help and advice Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73660	From: robbyking13	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: ebay listing of SW-1 B&M Locomotive

Some people needed to know when the end date was for this auction for the B&M SW-1 Switcher locomotive is, and it is Thursday (sometime after 10 P.M.) Robby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73661	From: jhannawald	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Information for Flyonel Pacific

I have a Lionel Pacific engine that one of the gears seems to have come loose.  I think it is the middle gear between the axle gears.  Has anyone else had this problem and how did you overcome it.  I’ve tried to find a parts diagram with no luck.  The engine will sit on the track and you can hear the motor spin.  If I give it a little push it will catch and run a few feet then stops and the motor spins freely again.  Any help on this will be appreciated.  Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73662	From: hudsoncentralrr	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel cylindrical hoppers?

>  Did the "new" Lionel cylindrical hoppers ever get produced? > As  far as I know none have shown up- Lionel still lists them as shipping in November.  There were incomplete paint samples shown at Scranton. Stan Stokrocki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73663	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Information for Flyonel Pacific

Call LTI Customer service and speak to a tech.   Frank R. EMIRO On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:15 PM, "jhannawald@..." <jhannawald@...> wrote:   I have a Lionel Pacific engine that one of the gears seems to have come loose.  I think it is the middle gear between the axle gears.  Has anyone else had this problem and how did you overcome it.  I’ve tried to find a parts diagram with no luck.  The engine will sit on the track and you can hear the motor spin.  If I give it a little push it will catch and run a few feet then stops and the motor spins freely again.  Any help on this will be appreciated.  Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73664	From: alan smith	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Be advised Replacement Chimneys for AF buildings will be coming soo

Guys & Gals - Boys & Girls. Many have ask about these !!!! Our favorite S supplier will have these on his site soon.  They are a nice fit with an offset for the ridge cap unlike the originals. Hamilton Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73665	From: trndad	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Information for Flyonel Pacific

Is it a Flyonel?  If so which one?  I did a search on Lionel's parts site for a 6-48052 Pacific and it brings up a picture of parts and a price list. I have a Flyonel PA on my workbench now that has a plastic gear that is spinning on its axle.  Friction has caused it to melt a bit.  The axle is not knurled so there is nothing to stop it from spinning.  I'm going to try Knurling the axle with locking plyers, adding some Lock-Tite, and pressing on a new gear.  That might work in your case, if it is the gear slipping on the axle.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73666	From: HOwingsiii@...	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Be advised Replacement Chimneys for AF buildings will be coming

Are  making the one for school house?   Harwood -----Original Message----- From: alan smith <alansmith@...> To: S gauge Yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 5:18 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Be advised Replacement Chimneys for AF buildings will be coming soon.   Guys & Gals - Boys & Girls. Many have ask about these !!!! Our favorite S supplier will have these on his site soon.  They are a nice fit with an offset for the ridge cap unlike the originals. Hamilton Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73667	From: bud9351	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel cylindrical hoppers?

That's what I thought Stan, thanks for chiming in!     Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73668	From: alan smith	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: Re: Be advised Replacement Chimneys for AF buildings will be coming

YES - It will also fit others with the same roof --- should YOU decide to have a chimney on said buildings  Old Al  On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:21 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote:   Are  making the one for school house?   Harwood -----Original Message----- From: alan smith <alansmith@...> To: S gauge Yahoogroups.com <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 5:18 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Be advised Replacement Chimneys for AF buildings will be coming soon.   Guys & Gals - Boys & Girls. Many have ask about these !!!! Our favorite S supplier will have these on his site soon.  They are a nice fit with an offset for the ridge cap unlike the originals. Hamilton Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73669	From: henrykoshollek	Date: 12/11/2013
Subject: AMERICAN MODELS #7517 "NEW HAVEN" WOOD-SIDED COPULA CABOOS

Hi folks,I'm looking for a model of AMERICAN MODELS #7517 "NEW HAVEN" WOOD-SIDED COPULA CABOOSE. Contact me with your needs. I wish a used model. Thanks Hank Koshollek MA koshollek@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73670	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE for Dec. 12

They were generally small and rugged, and thousands were produced and put to work all over the world.   I tell their story today on http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com in "Porter Locomotives: The Little Giants." Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73671	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Pacific

For what it's worth, in my experience, Locktite and plastic/nylon do not mix. You may cause your gear to soften. Don Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73672	From: trndad	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Pacific

Good point, and may be true for normal Loctite.  But there is a Loctite made for use with metal and plastic.  It is blue in color.  I haven't had any issues with it so far.   Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73673	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Pacific

Locktite  and other types of super won't bond to nylon-that it why it comes in a nylon bottle. -John Marganski On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:25 AM, Donald Abrams <donabrams@...> wrote:   For what it's worth, in my experience, Locktite and plastic/nylon do not mix. You may cause your gear to soften. Don Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73674	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Trains

The Loctite website has a product advisor. It recommends a Plastics Bonding System for this application. Of course I selected plastic in the Q & A section -- didn't see nylon listed. Don Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73675	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Pacific

Also research on the Loctite website reveals that the green, red and blue thread lockers are not intended for plastics. Don Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73676	From: alan smith	Date: 12/12/2013
Subject: Re: information for Flyonel Trains

Gents, Devcon "Plastic weld" is the solution for repairing most anything in the AF line.  Adhesion, filing, sanding, painting, drilling and even some tapping are all good with this product. Permatex also makes a plastic weld product.  Both come packaged in a Two part injector tube.    However, working time is short so you must have your act together when using the products. I've used both with good results. Try it - you'll like it. Hamilton Al On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Donald Abrams wrote:   The Loctite website has a product advisor. It recommends a Plastics Bonding System for this application. Of course I selected plastic in the Q & A section -- didn't see nylon listed. Don Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73677	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/13/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73678	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/13/2013
Subject: LBR Brand SCULLIN Drivers Are Here (Advertisement)

As promised for the month of December 2013 our CNC machine turned DELRIN Scullin Style main drive wheels are available at our web site. These drivers come in a set of six (6) for $45.00 USD which includes shipping in CONUS. These wheels are TRACTION DRIVERS as the four (4) flanged wheels are equipped with LBR TRACTION BANDS for much GREATER PULLING POWER. The center wheel (Blind Driver) stud, flat top or raised top designated by the purchaser, will be installed by us before shipping. These drivers may also be purchased with out white walls. Our new SCULLIN DRIVERS are also a suitable substitute for the pre-1966 AF #33x series Northern wheels. LBR VIEW / BUY HERE: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73679	From: Patrick McElroy	Date: 12/13/2013
Subject: Started with AF trains

 Story of a guy with his hobby in Oregon   http://money.cnn.com/video/pf/2013/12/12/pf-uh-steam-engine-train-home.cnnmoney/index.html?iid=HP_River

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73680	From: bud9351	Date: 12/13/2013
Subject: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar

Hello all,    Tom Baker and myself had solicited interest for a resin kit to be produced by Smoky Mountain Models, of a Milwaukee Road 40' ribside boxcar. This car was quite unique in its appearance and would make for a conversation piece on our layouts. While we understand that many Hi Railers and Flyer operators are not prone to building kits (no slight intended) we are considering a kit building service for a limited number of cars for a reasonable fee over and above the basic kit's price. While no deposits are required at this time, we would like to start a list of potential sales with statements of interest and how many you'd purchase. The kits would require painting and decaling and Hi Rail and/or Am Flyer compatible trucks and couplers would also be extra.     Please respond off list to either Tom Baker......bakert@... or myself......blackdiamondrr@....     Thanks,      Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73681	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar

Bud,    put me down for two maybe three.                               Bob Lampe                             Kalispell,MT   From: BlackDiamondRR@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:57:10 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar   Hello all,    Tom Baker and myself had solicited interest for a resin kit to be produced by Smoky Mountain Models, of a Milwaukee Road 40' ribside boxcar. This car was quite unique in its appearance and would make for a conversation piece on our layouts. While we understand that many Hi Railers and Flyer operators are not prone to building kits (no slight intended) we are considering a kit building service for a limited number of cars for a reasonable fee over and above the basic kit's price. While no deposits are required at this time, we would like to start a list of potential sales with statements of interest and how many you'd purchase. The kits would require painting and decaling and Hi Rail and/or Am Flyer compatible trucks and couplers would also be extra.     Please respond off list to either Tom Baker......bakert@... or myself......blackdiamondrr@....     Thanks,      Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73682	From: bud9351	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar

Bob,     OK, have you down for two, maybe three. Thanks for your interest.        Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73683	From: poniaj	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar

Bud, I'm down for two, as you know, but maybe a photo will help folks see the light. Jerry PS  I don't know if his will work, but what the hey...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73684	From: johntech	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Track cleaners

Hi Guys   I happen to run across this site and thought I'd pass it along for those of you who are still using the original AF track   http://www.sanchem.com/aSpecialE.html   It looks likt it is a conductive grease you can put on the track to prevent rust and corrosion.   John Frankforther This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73685	From: bud9351	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar

Jerry,       I just posted a prototype picture of the Milw ribside boxcar to the photos section. Photo courtesy of George Ellwood's Fallen Flags website.    Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73686	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: nichrome wire

I have misplaced my nichrome wire and dont remember the gauge to order some more to make my own smoke units, pls what is the gauge, I like wireing my own instead of the kit tks Jim Davidson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73687	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar

Bud,     My grandfather was a substation attendant for Milwaukee at Gold Creek, Montana in the 30's. One of my uncles ran the Sperry rail detector car for Milwaukee out of Prairie Du Chien, Wisconsin in the 50's and 60's.                                            Bob   From: BlackDiamondRR@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 05:19:30 -0800 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar   Bob,     OK, have you down for two, maybe three. Thanks for your interest.        Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73688	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: nichrome wire

It's #40....If you can get Tom Barker's E-Mail address. He will send you enough for approx. 3 units for free. He does require you send him a SASE. Mike   In a message dated 12/14/2013 12:17:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jad01@... writes:   I have misplaced my nichrome wire and dont remember the gauge to order some more to make my own smoke units, pls what is the gauge, I like wireing my own instead of the kit tks Jim Davidson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73689	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/15/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 15, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73690	From: rudypenne	Date: 12/14/2013
Subject: Re: Track cleaners

John, the only thing that is a drawback is, it would tend to attract dust. Mike   In a message dated 12/14/2013 10:17:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, beebear@... writes:   Hi Guys   I happen to run across this site and thought I'd pass it along for those of you who are still using the original AF track   http://www.sanchem.com/aSpecialE.html   It looks likt it is a conductive grease you can put on the track to prevent rust and corrosion.   John Frankforther This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73691	From: Rick	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: Re: Track cleaners

I wouldn't use it except maybe on the sides of the rails, toward the top and away from the cardboard insulators.  Keep the humidity down and the old Flyer stuff is bullet proof.  Flyer never offered it, when comparable products were available, for a reason. Speaking of the insulators, does someone have any ideas of an additive that will bring some resiliency back to them? Rick On Dec 14, 2013, at 5:53 PM, anormal1@... wrote:   John, the only thing that is a drawback is, it would tend to attract dust. Mike   In a message dated 12/14/2013 10:17:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, beebear@... writes:   Hi Guys   I happen to run across this site and thought I'd pass it along for those of you who are still using the original AF track   http://www.sanchem.com/aSpecialE.html   It looks likt it is a conductive grease you can put on the track to prevent rust and corrosion.   John Frankforther This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73692	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: Sets for sale

I need to sell some of my Flyer/Flyonel items   I have the Blue Comet 6-49617 set with the extra heavyweight passenger cars. The set w/o extra cars was $839.99   The 6-48994 two pack was $139.99.   The set with 2-pack is unopened, and I will sell for 840.00 for everything with free shipping to the contiguous U.S. States.   Also have the Alton Limited set 6-49616 with extra cars it sold for same price except the 2-pack add-on was 10 bucks more. This was test run only and a video and pictures made for one of the list members and put back in the boxes.   I will sell it and 2-pack for 800.00 with free shipping to the contiguous U.S States.   I have two of the Baldwin Southern work train sets 6-49613 | Price: $449.99 when new   One has been test run and I will sell it for 295.00 shipped as above.   The other is NIB unopened and I will sell it for 330.00 shipped as above.   Union Pacific Heavyweight Passenger cars with add-on 2-pack (I have two of these sets)   One was opened to look at and put back, the other outer carton is opened, but not the inner box.   6-48978 | Price: $264.99 new 6-48983 | Price: $139.99 new     I will sell mine for 340.00 shipped as above.   I don't keep up with book prices so I don't know if these are reasonable or not. Make a counter offer if you think I am out of line. I did check ebay and these prices seem very reasonable. I will be shipping from Oklahoma (70 mi north of OKC).   email me at af336@... if you are interested. Pictures can be seen on the lionel web site. The pictures of my Alton are on the upstairs train web site.(which was the last time I saw them myself)   I have a ton of the flyonel rolling stock pa passenger sets, most of the Mikados and Pacifics mostly NIB but some lightly run so let me know if you are looking for something there. I already sold my NTTM cars so if you are looking for them they are gone...as are my SF PA passenger sets. (I do have the blue PA set unopened)   I don't have a layout so nothing I have is run much at all.   thx, Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73693	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: Flyonel Northerns for Sale

Union Pacific 4-8-4 Northern #800 (Black) 6-48047 | Price: $400.00 Shipped to contiguous US   This has been test run and sold originally in 2005 for $449.99       Union Pacific 4-8-4 Northern #809 (Greyhound) 6-48054 | Price: $440.00 Shipped to contiguous US       This has been test run and sold originally in 2006 for $474.99   See the u-tube video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-EEJPMrANw   This video on the kitchen table represents about 25% of the total runtime on this Northern. I wanted to hear the standard sound set, and others were interested too so I posted this just as an fyi for the s-trains list group.   email at af336@... if interested   thx,   Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73694	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: More Flyonel for sale

Chessie SD-9 6-48058 220.00 shipped to contiguous US This was part of the 6-49615 set, and was not sold separately. It is un-run, I bought from a guy breaking up the set, and didn't get the set box or all of the cars, I did get some of the cars but have not verified which ones. Seaboard Baldwin Switcher 6-48034 | Price: $220.00 shipped as above It is unrun MIB These sold originally for $249.99 Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range SD9 Diesel #170 6-48048 | Price: $220.00 shipped as above it is unrun MIB This SD-9 is a 2005 release and sold originally for $259.99 email at af336@... if interested, again if you think I am out of line make me an offer. Mark Kiner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73695	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/15/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 15, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73696	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: Re: nichrome wire

Yes, I have a few miles of #40 Nichrome wire that I have been sending out for over 40 years. Just send a self addressed stamped envelope to me and I'll send a few feet to you. Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73697	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/15/2013
Subject: Miller 88-1201- AC Gilbert Erector set billboard, Large

http://factorydirecttrains.com/Miller88-1201-ACGilbertErectorsetbillboardLarge.aspx Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73698	From: Thomas Barker	Date: 12/16/2013
Subject: Re: nichrome wire

Be sure to send the request for #40 Nichrome before Christmas since I'll be traveling for 2 months in Florida and my mail is being held during that time. Tom Thomas B Barker 1223 Lake Point Drive Webster, NY 14580 (585) 265-4015 tbbeqa@... Your Guide in the World of Gilbert American Flyer S Gauge Trains https://www.amazon.com/author/thomasbarker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73699	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/16/2013
Subject: NEW ILLUMINATED NUMBER BOARDS (Advertisement)

The first of our NEW ILLUMINATED NUMBER BOARDS are here. Approximately .308" wide  x  .190" high  x  .061" thick. Made for the AF pre-1966 PACIFIC E&T's. The price is $6.25 ea. which includes FREE SHIPPING in CONUS. May be viewed / purchased using the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1387203588470 Soon to follow these new number boards will be ILLUMINTATED NUMBER BOARDS for pre-1966 AF Northern Engines #332, #336, etc.. The tentative price for these is $12.50 per pair.  LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73700	From: tw_y10	Date: 12/16/2013
Subject: UP SW-9 for sale

Selling my SW-9 Union Pacific. Is like new, with box. Has about  20 minutes run time, if that. Original S-Helper high quality S-Gauge. On Ebay...http://www.ebay.com/itm/S-Helper-00451-SW-9-Switcher-Union-Pacific-833-/141142895519?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item20dcc5ab9f Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73701	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: AF #247xx Pass. Car Doors (Advertisement)

For a very long time AF enthusiasts have been plagued by the opening where a door should be on the old time #247xx series passenger cars. This has been a real problem for the kit bashers among us. So, to this end we have cast some cross buck doors to fit these openings (trim to fit) and are just great in other areas also. The cost for these doors is $5.75 ea. which includes shipping in CONUS. To view please use the link below:  http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1387203588470 Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73702	From: The Laniers	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: AF #247xx Pass. Car Doors (Advertisement)

How much more effort would it have been to mold them in the right color ?   paflyrman   From: reujan2000@... Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF #247xx Pass. Car Doors (Advertisement)     For a very long time AF enthusiasts have been plagued by the opening where a door should be on the old time #247xx series passenger cars. This has been a real problem for the kit bashers among us. So, to this end we have cast some cross buck doors to fit these openings (trim to fit) and are just great in other areas also. The cost for these doors is $5.75 ea. which includes shipping in CONUS. To view please use the link below:    http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/Page09.html?_=1387203588470   Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73703	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: AF #247xx Pass. Car Doors (Advertisement)

The cost to do this would have put the doors at around $8.00 each. Kit bashers usually repaint these cars to the RR colors they run on their layouts. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73704	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: NASG 2013 PP&L Hoppers--status

I am trying to spread the word about this car, in order to avoid MANY separate time-consuming inquiries and replies.   The AF Car project (for which this is the final car in my responsibility) for 2013 is the PP&L coal hopper. They are here….arrived by truck yesterday. BUT….and it’s a big “but”….Lionel failed to pack them in individual mailers, as per our contract with them. Since they cannot provide mailers at this point, we are being credited for them, and I have to purchase mailers, packing, tape, etc myself, and then every car has to be individually packaged before I can ship them out to fill all the orders.  Unfortunately, this is going to delay shipments significantly. Don’t be surprised if you haven’t even received it by early February! And BTW----the car is sold out already, so nobody should be sending me any further orders for the 2013 car. I’ll only have to return them.   The 2014 car will soon be announced, under Dave Blum’s leadership. Sales of that car, and all previous years’ inventory, is now in his hands. Doug Peck, for NASG Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73705	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: NASG 2013 PP&L Hoppers--status

Hi Doug.  Sorry that Lionel has caused more work for the Dealers.  However, earlier this year I ordered the ESS44AC Norfolk Southern diesel engine and the non-powered unit as well.  They initially were schedule for delivery in December 2013.  When they do arrive, please use my PayPal card and not my VISA card.  I’ll provide my PayPal information when you notify us of their delivery and your mailing.  I would much appreciate this change.  In the meantime, I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas Holiday.    Bob Iannacone   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Peck Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NASG 2013 PP&L Hoppers--status     I am trying to spread the word about this car, in order to avoid MANY separate time-consuming inquiries and replies.   The AF Car project (for which this is the final car in my responsibility) for 2013 is the PP&L coal hopper. They are here….arrived by truck yesterday. BUT….and it’s a big “but”….Lionel failed to pack them in individual mailers, as per our contract with them. Since they cannot provide mailers at this point, we are being credited for them, and I have to purchase mailers, packing, tape, etc myself, and then every car has to be individually packaged before I can ship them out to fill all the orders.  Unfortunately, this is going to delay shipments significantly. Don’t be surprised if you haven’t even received it by early February! And BTW----the car is sold out already, so nobody should be sending me any further orders for the 2013 car. I’ll only have to return them.   The 2014 car will soon be announced, under Dave Blum’s leadership. Sales of that car, and all previous years’ inventory, is now in his hands. Doug Peck, for NASG Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73706	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Rebushing diesel chassis

I have a 474 Rocket A-unit in need of a rebush on one of its chassis (both were shipped to a gentleman for rebushing about 20 years ago and only one was done properly).  I bought a used AF diesel chassis on eBay a while back which has ovalized axle holes, but looks like a good candidate for rebuild. I was reviewing my Tom Barker AF Repair Manual last night, and consulting previous threads on this list last night on the subject.  The procedure in the Barker repair manual sounds straightforward, but the question I had after reading it (and noting that the elongated axles holes in my chassis-for-rebuild obscure the original hole centers) is how do I ensure that the new axle holes I drill are the correct distance from the armature centerline for proper gear mesh?  My assumption is that the original holes are worn in the upward direction (the weight of the locomotive would accelerate wear on the upper bearing surface with the axles).    If you have done this successfully, what method did you use to locate the bushing holes?   Thanks.   Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73707	From: wjjim2001	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: Rebushing diesel chassis

I might have a Panza jig or two for sale.  I'll look.  That's what we use here.   Jim Lyle   In a message dated 12/17/2013 5:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sgriggs@... writes: I have a 474 Rocket A-unit in need of a rebush on one of its chassis (both were shipped to a gentleman for rebushing about 20 years ago and only one was done properly).  I bought a used AF diesel chassis on eBay a while back which has ovalized axle holes, but looks like a good candidate for rebuild. I was reviewing my Tom Barker AF Repair Manual last night, and consulting previous threads on this list last night on the subject.  The procedure in the Barker repair manual sounds straightforward, but the question I had after reading it (and noting that the elongated axles holes in my chassis-for-rebuild obscure the original hole centers) is how do I ensure that the new axle holes I drill are the correct distance from the armature centerline for proper gear mesh?  My assumption is that the original holes are worn in the upward direction (the weight of the locomotive would accelerate wear on the upper bearing surface with the axles).    If you have done this successfully, what method did you use to locate the bushing holes?   Thanks.   Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73708	From: bud9351	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar

Bob,  That's interesting!  Always nice to hear of railroaders in the family. I was the only one in my family, put in 31 years on 6 different railroads. Glad I'm retired though!      Bud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73709	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar

Bud,   Know what mean. I should have went railroading back in 71 but no I re-enlisted in the Army after getting out of the Navy and retired in 92 after 24 years. I would probably have had a good chance of getting on because I had 3 other uncles who worked for NP/BN   To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: BlackDiamondRR@... Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:23:04 -0800 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Milwaukee Road 40'ribside boxcar   Bob,  That's interesting!  Always nice to hear of railroaders in the family. I was the only one in my family, put in 31 years on 6 different railroads. Glad I'm retired though!      Bud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73710	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Re: Rebushing diesel chassis

Jim,  What is a Panza jig?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73711	From: snstrains	Date: 12/17/2013
Subject: Rebushing diesel chassis

What we did was use one of the orginal 1950 trucks that have the "knockout" bushings. Removed the worn bushing, then made a bushing that fit it and then used that as a jig for all future milling and bushing jobs.   Steve Blackburn Ex owner SnS Trains   In a message dated 12/17/2013 6:45:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes:   I might have a Panza jig or two for sale.  I'll look.  That's what we use here.   Jim Lyle   In a message dated 12/17/2013 5:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sgriggs@... writes: I have a 474 Rocket A-unit in need of a rebush on one of its chassis (both were shipped to a gentleman for rebushing about 20 years ago and only one was done properly).  I bought a used AF diesel chassis on eBay a while back which has ovalized axle holes, but looks like a good candidate for rebuild. I was reviewing my Tom Barker AF Repair Manual last night, and consulting previous threads on this list last night on the subject.  The procedure in the Barker repair manual sounds straightforward, but the question I had after reading it (and noting that the elongated axles holes in my chassis-for-rebuild obscure the original hole centers) is how do I ensure that the new axle holes I drill are the correct distance from the armature centerline for proper gear mesh?  My assumption is that the original holes are worn in the upward direction (the weight of the locomotive would accelerate wear on the upper bearing surface with the axles).    If you have done this successfully, what method did you use to locate the bushing holes?   Thanks.   Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73712	From: tomminil	Date: 12/18/2013
Subject: Re: Rebushing diesel chassis

Rember to drill very very slow with a short drill bit. long bit will wobble.  I was lucky had a mint chassis that I used set up    FOR A GREAT DISNEYWORLD AREA VACATION SEE THE  CONDO WEBSITE  MYDISNEYVACATIONCONDO.WEEBLY.COM -------- Original message -------- From: boss31@... Date: 12/17/2013 10:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Rebushing diesel chassis   What we did was use one of the orginal 1950 trucks that have the "knockout" bushings. Removed the worn bushing, then made a bushing that fit it and then used that as a jig for all future milling and bushing jobs.   Steve Blackburn Ex owner SnS Trains   In a message dated 12/17/2013 6:45:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes:   I might have a Panza jig or two for sale.  I'll look.  That's what we use here.   Jim Lyle   In a message dated 12/17/2013 5:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sgriggs@... writes: I have a 474 Rocket A-unit in need of a rebush on one of its chassis (both were shipped to a gentleman for rebushing about 20 years ago and only one was done properly).  I bought a used AF diesel chassis on eBay a while back which has ovalized axle holes, but looks like a good candidate for rebuild. I was reviewing my Tom Barker AF Repair Manual last night, and consulting previous threads on this list last night on the subject.  The procedure in the Barker repair manual sounds straightforward, but the question I had after reading it (and noting that the elongated axles holes in my chassis-for-rebuild obscure the original hole centers) is how do I ensure that the new axle holes I drill are the correct distance from the armature centerline for proper gear mesh?  My assumption is that the original holes are worn in the upward direction (the weight of the locomotive would accelerate wear on the upper bearing surface with the axles).    If you have done this successfully, what method did you use to locate the bushing holes?   Thanks.   Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73713	From: snstrains	Date: 12/18/2013
Subject: Rebushing diesel chassis FOLLOWUP

Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho   In a message dated 12/17/2013 9:53:57 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, boss31@... writes:   By the way, using a drill bit of any stature is a sure way to mess up the hole for the bushing. It's going to wander. Use a four fluted end mill. Steve What we did was use one of the orginal 1950 trucks that have the "knockout" bushings. Removed the worn bushing, then made a bushing that fit it and then used that truck as a template and jig for all future milling and bushing jobs.   Steve Blackburn Ex owner SnS Trains   In a message dated 12/17/2013 6:45:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, WJJIM@... writes:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73714	From: snstrains	Date: 12/18/2013
Subject: CP flat car w/trees for sale

I have a 24558 Canadian Pacific flat car with original trees in excellent+ condition for sale. If you are interested please contact me off list. 208-376-1159 or email.   Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73715	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: STUMPY'S MACHINE: "The Love of Trains"

Today at http://stumpysmachine.weebly.com the story is "The Love of Trains."  For me that story began in 1950 and was my first, and longest, love of all kinds of machinery.  From a Marx wind-up to American Flyer to HO and onward, I love trains! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73716	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.

I need some Lionel Flyer help. I recently picked up a 2-8-2 Mikado Steam Loco (like NIB) with all the cool railsounds, etc at an auction at a great price. Have it operating in Conventional mode on a 1 1/2B Flyer transformer. Runs just fine, but I can’t seem to get it smoking. I have positioned the slide switch to the on position and have put the included smoke fluid down the stack per the instructions. No smoke except by peeking into the stack, you can see a little smoke simmering in the boiler. Second question. I have hooked an American Models two button sound controller to the setup. It only works when the engine is in neutral. Both the bell and the whistle work with respective button presses, but only when the engine is in neutral. It would sure be nice to have that whistle available when the locomotive in rolling under steam !! Any advice would certainly be appreciated ! Ben Colley Hallsville,  Missouri Follow the Flag!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73717	From: traindavid	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Re: rebushing diesel chassis

This project is not as simple as one thinks. As Steve B. mentions, a drill bit is not the ideal tool, as it does note make a round hole--almost round, but not really! Also someone mentioned a short bit so it doesn't wander--another reason to us a an end mill, as they are more rigid. Location of the hole is critical. Assuming the "wear" is on the top of the hole is actually wrong! Much of the wear is caused by electrical arcing, as the power is transmitted to the chassis through the axle bearing (more so if there is no slider shoe). If you want to confirm this theory, look at a chassis with pullmor tire on the power side of the truck--that axle will be much tighter in the chassis than the other one that is picking up power. Also, don't forget that one side has a smaller hole in it than the other, due to the stepped axle. Finally we get to locating the hole. there are three alignment issues here: distance from the armature axle, which sets the gear mesh, and parallel with the bottom of the chassis, so the engine frame doesn't lean to one side or the other and the must be 90 degrees from the side of the chassis. Needless to say (so why am I saying it??) is that both axles must be parallel in all directions. OH BOY! You can't use the sides of the chassis for locating, as they taper (so they can be removed from the manufacturing mold). The bottom "slot" in the chassis, where the sideframe base screws in is one locating surface--but only for the parallelism of the axles. The hole location is determined by the armature bearing surface, which is a machined taper. I wish someone would come up with the factory dimensioned drawing for these chassis, but without it, measuring from an unused chassis, or from a factory bushed chassis is the best way to set up a rebushing fixture. As there were manufacturing tolerances, it is best to measure a few and find a range of variations and use the average as your starting point. After you install the bushings, they then need to be reamed to the proper sizes, yes sizes, remember the holes on one side are bigger than the other side. Since the bushing is a press-fit (hopefully, and not too much press, or you'll fracture the chassis) the hole distorts a bit from the press, so the final sizing is done after installing. Hope I didn't scare everyone off, but this is a more complex project than many realize, and I've seen badly done rebushing jobs; these give the ACG diesel a bad reputation. Granted, there is this one major flaw in the design, and that is the electrical pick up. If ACG had insulated the wheel axles and used wipers on the wheels for electrical pick up, this likely wouldn't be much of an issue until many, many miles of use (We are now seeing steamers needing rebushing), but then these WERE toys, and not intended to still be running 60 plus years later! Have fun! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73718	From: racin510	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.

Ben, These Train Master loco's are designed to operate with maximum track voltage. They will operate on conventional but in a very limited way. If you want to get the most out of your Mikado you need to go find a CAB-1 controller system, which is now obsolete and a bit difficult to find. But you can and it will be so worth your effort. The loco really comes to life when operated with this system. My own experience is that I got a Challenger because I just had to have one of the articulated's and it's my favorite. Right off I figured I'd prefer to run it with Train Master, but would try and like it on conventional, which got a couple of months before I determined I had to have the CAB-1 to be happy. I got the last new one Doug had buried in his warehouse and have been so pleased with the performance features that I added a Mikado, having heard so many great reviews on it. I still intend to stay 98% conventional so don't feel any need for the added complexities of Legacy, which also costs a lot more than the CAB-1. Oh yes, I love the Mikado, which is perfect in every way except the Sleuth smoke unit. I can't see it working at all on the 12 - 14volts you are running on because it's pretty crappy and unpredictable on the 19v I feed to the track. My brother collects LGB G gage, which use this smoke unit, and he says even those are pretty poor functioning. But they do produce smoke, it just seems to be critical to how much fluid is put in along with the mood of the loco at that given time. If you over fill though just turn it over and poor the excess out because there is no wick action involved. Bottom line: Start hunting for a CAB-1 and get happy Rick!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73719	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: diesel truck bushings

About 8 years ago, I purchased a small Flyer collection from an individual, that at one time did Lionel and Flyer repairs somewhere in the New England area. Along with the engines rolling stock and other various Flyer pieces, also included in the purchase all his tools and repair parts were included. One of the pieces was a machined jig for rebushing Flyer Alco trucks. I recently worked with a local machinist and had him modify the jig to accept different drill guide bushings for the new brass bushing insert and the 2 different size holes required for the axles. When a truck frame is placed in this jig, one can drill the holes in perfect alignment and location. I will be glad to send pictures to anyone interested in seeing this tool and how it works. Trying to keep the Flyer classics rolling, Thanks, Larry Moore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73720	From: R G	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.

This locomotive is not a good smoker, It has a Slueth smoke unit in it. The American Models controller does not reliably work with Lionel products as I have experience that problem also.  I use TMCC to operate this locomotive but have also found that a MTH Z 1000 works better that flyer transformers since you get better slow speed performance and the bell and whistle controls on the transformer always works with Lionel locomotives. On Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:04 AM, Ben E. Colley <bencolley@...> wrote:   I need some Lionel Flyer help. I recently picked up a 2-8-2 Mikado Steam Loco (like NIB) with all the cool railsounds, etc at an auction at a great price. Have it operating in Conventional mode on a 1 1/2B Flyer transformer. Runs just fine, but I can’t seem to get it smoking. I have positioned the slide switch to the on position and have put the included smoke fluid down the stack per the instructions. No smoke except by peeking into the stack, you can see a little smoke simmering in the boiler. Second question. I have hooked an American Models two button sound controller to the setup. It only works when the engine is in neutral. Both the bell and the whistle work with respective button presses, but only when the engine is in neutral. It would sure be nice to have that whistle available when the locomotive in rolling under steam !! Any advice would certainly be appreciated ! Ben Colley Hallsville,  Missouri Follow the Flag!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73721	From: snstrains	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.

OK, here's a traitorous answer that helps. Use the LGB smoke fluid in the Lionel smoke units. Works better than anything else in those type. Designed to work at lower voltages...........   Steve Boise   In a message dated 12/19/2013 5:35:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, racin510@... writes:   Ben, These Train Master loco's are designed to operate with maximum track voltage. They will operate on conventional but in a very limited way. If you want to get the most out of your Mikado you need to go find a CAB-1 controller system, which is now obsolete and a bit difficult to find. But you can and it will be so worth your effort. The loco really comes to life when operated with this system. My own experience is that I got a Challenger because I just had to have one of the articulated's and it's my favorite. Right off I figured I'd prefer to run it with Train Master, but would try and like it on conventional, which got a couple of months before I determined I had to have the CAB-1 to be happy. I got the last new one Doug had buried in his warehouse and have been so pleased with the performance features that I added a Mikado, having heard so many great reviews on it. I still intend to stay 98% conventional so don't feel any need for the added complexities of Legacy, which also costs a lot more than the CAB-1. Oh yes, I love the Mikado, which is perfect in every way except the Sleuth smoke unit. I can't see it working at all on the 12 - 14volts you are running on because it's pretty crappy and unpredictable on the 19v I feed to the track. My brother collects LGB G gage, which use this smoke unit, and he says even those are pretty poor functioning. But they do produce smoke, it just seems to be critical to how much fluid is put in along with the mood of the loco at that given time. If you over fill though just turn it over and poor the excess out because there is no wick action involved. Bottom line: Start hunting for a CAB-1 and get happy Rick!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73722	From: gsc3	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Swap for American Flyer 652 Pullman

I'm looking for a 652 Pullman.  It can have paint damage.  I'm scale not AF, but I have a AF REA Express Boxcar and a SHS RPO minus trucks that I would trade in exchange.  If interested contract me offline at gsc3atyahoo.com.  I don't do Windows Live Mail so Yahoo blocks my e-mail address if I put it in the correct form.  While I've taken them out of the box, neither of my two cars have ran on the layout.  If interested and you want to keep the American Flyer trucks on the 652 Pullman that would be o.k. George Courtney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73723	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings

Larry, I would appreciate it if you could send photos of this jig. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY ---In S-Trains@{{emailDomain}}, <mo2337@...> wrote: About 8 years ago, I purchased a small Flyer collection from an individual, that at one time did Lionel and Flyer repairs somewhere in the New England area. Along with the engines rolling stock and other various Flyer pieces, also included in the purchase all his tools and repair parts were included. One of the pieces was a machined jig for rebushing Flyer Alco trucks. I recently worked with a local machinist and had him modify the jig to accept different drill guide bushings for the new brass bushing insert and the 2 different size holes required for the axles. When a truck frame is placed in this jig, one can drill the holes in perfect alignment and location. I will be glad to send pictures to anyone interested in seeing this tool and how it works. Trying to keep the Flyer classics rolling, Thanks, Larry Moore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73724	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/19/2013
Subject: Re: rebushing diesel chassis

David, You bring up a lot of great points to think about.  I removed the axles and cleaned up my eBay Alco chassis tonight.  It is casting number PA12B065, which I think is considered the 'later' design.  I did indeed notice what you pointed out about the direction of wear in the axle holes--they are elongated in the downward direction, suggesting wear induced by electrical arcing.  The other interesting thing I noticed was that my chassis has keyed steel bushing inserts with the key at the twelve o'clock position.  The inserts are approximately 0.385" in outside diameter.  I have heard people state that these later chassis had the axles riding directly in the zinc casting.  It came with a Pullmor wheel, so I think it is from 1954- production. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY ---In S-Trains@{{emailDomain}}, <djdewey@...> wrote: This project is not as simple as one thinks. As Steve B. mentions, a drill bit is not the ideal tool, as it does note make a round hole--almost round, but not really! Also someone mentioned a short bit so it doesn't wander--another reason to us a an end mill, as they are more rigid. Location of the hole is critical. Assuming the "wear" is on the top of the hole is actually wrong! Much of the wear is caused by electrical arcing, as the power is transmitted to the chassis through the axle bearing (more so if there is no slider shoe). If you want to confirm this theory, look at a chassis with pullmor tire on the power side of the truck--that axle will be much tighter in the chassis than the other one that is picking up power. Also, don't forget that one side has a smaller hole in it than the other, due to the stepped axle. Finally we get to locating the hole. there are three alignment issues here: distance from the armature axle, which sets the gear mesh, and parallel with the bottom of the chassis, so the engine frame doesn't lean to one side or the other and the must be 90 degrees from the side of the chassis. Needless to say (so why am I saying it??) is that both axles must be parallel in all directions. OH BOY! You can't use the sides of the chassis for locating, as they taper (so they can be removed from the manufacturing mold). The bottom "slot" in the chassis, where the sideframe base screws in is one locating surface--but only for the parallelism of the axles. The hole location is determined by the armature bearing surface, which is a machined taper. I wish someone would come up with the factory dimensioned drawing for these chassis, but without it, measuring from an unused chassis, or from a factory bushed chassis is the best way to set up a rebushing fixture. As there were manufacturing tolerances, it is best to measure a few and find a range of variations and use the average as your starting point. After you install the bushings, they then need to be reamed to the proper sizes, yes sizes, remember the holes on one side are bigger than the other side. Since the bushing is a press-fit (hopefully, and not too much press, or you'll fracture the chassis) the hole distorts a bit from the press, so the final sizing is done after installing. Hope I didn't scare everyone off, but this is a more complex project than many realize, and I've seen badly done rebushing jobs; these give the ACG diesel a bad reputation. Granted, there is this one major flaw in the design, and that is the electrical pick up. If ACG had insulated the wheel axles and used wipers on the wheels for electrical pick up, this likely wouldn't be much of an issue until many, many miles of use (We are now seeing steamers needing rebushing), but then these WERE toys, and not intended to still be running 60 plus years later! Have fun! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73725	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings

Scott, I have had several requests for pics of this jig. I will take pics and try my best to get them sent out today. Thanks, Larry   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sgriggs@... Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: diesel truck bushings     Larry, I would appreciate it if you could send photos of this jig.   Scott Griggs Louisville, KY ---In S-Trains@{{emailDomain}}, <mo2337@...> wrote: About 8 years ago, I purchased a small Flyer collection from an individual, that at one time did Lionel and Flyer repairs somewhere in the New England area. Along with the engines rolling stock and other various Flyer pieces, also included in the purchase all his tools and repair parts were included. One of the pieces was a machined jig for rebushing Flyer Alco trucks. I recently worked with a local machinist and had him modify the jig to accept different drill guide bushings for the new brass bushing insert and the 2 different size holes required for the axles. When a truck frame is placed in this jig, one can drill the holes in perfect alignment and location. I will be glad to send pictures to anyone interested in seeing this tool and how it works. Trying to keep the Flyer classics rolling, Thanks, Larry Moore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73726	From: Tom David	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings

Hi Please and pictures of the jig also. To tomminil@... For a great Florida vacation rental go to : mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com 3 bed 2 bath condo In home wifi and vonnage phone service.  For a beach duplex rental. http://spacecoast.craigslist.org/apa/3614670534.html On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:33 PM, <sgriggs@...> wrote:   Larry, I would appreciate it if you could send photos of this jig. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY ---In S-Trains@{{emailDomain}}, <mo2337@...> wrote: About 8 years ago, I purchased a small Flyer collection from an individual, that at one time did Lionel and Flyer repairs somewhere in the New England area. Along with the engines rolling stock and other various Flyer pieces, also included in the purchase all his tools and repair parts were included. One of the pieces was a machined jig for rebushing Flyer Alco trucks. I recently worked with a local machinist and had him modify the jig to accept different drill guide b ushings for the new brass bushing insert and the 2 different size holes required for the axles. When a truck frame is placed in this jig, one can drill the holes in perfect alignment and location. I will be glad to send pictures to anyone interested in seeing this tool and how it works. Trying to keep the Flyer classics rolling, Thanks, Larry Moore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73727	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Re: rebushing diesel chassis

Larry, I also would like to see and would much appreciate if you would send a picture of this jig. Thanks Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73728	From: trndad	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings

Larry, I would also appreciate pictures.  My email is TRNDAD@....  I have a jig (not sure who made it) that I believe I bought from Doug Peck a number of years ago.  It works OK, but I recently had the same thought to have it modified so that I can drill out any chassis and use replaceable bushings.   Thanks Larry!   Dean Hall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73729	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Re: rebushing diesel chassis

Don't know who made it, but I have been using a tool sold back in the '80s which locates the #14 & #19 holes to be drilled in the chassis. This assumes you have already installed bearing stock into the truck. I use some old Oillite bearings from Postwar Lionel. The large diameter holes drilled into the truck Don' need to be perfectly drilled. As the exact centerline is achieved with the tool. I realized it doesn't really matter if the axle centerline is the same as the bearing stock. I can see that it's slightly off, but I have accurately drilled holes surrounded by bearing stock where there was none before. I guess it's function over form. Hope my description makes sense. Don Abrams Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top  CHANGE SETTINGS > TERMS OF USE > UNSUBSCRIBE >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73730	From: c100495	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Action Caboose 25052

I just picked up a 25052 Action Caboose that is having an issue with track power from the rear truck. The solenoid is holding for the brakeman for the most part, but I am getting a lot of on/off with the light as it goes around the track. The track is clean, and I repolished the wheels. The lights are on steady for my 660 passenger cars, so there is something going on with this caboose. I also would like to add a rectifier as Tom Barker suggested in his book. Do I kill two birds with one stone and separate the chassis. Separating that chassis looks like it may be a challenge, I see one screw in the front of the body and no tabs.  Any suggestions from the experienced would be appreciated. Fred    Hanover, Ma.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73731	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Truck bushing jig

To anyone interested, I was requested to put photos of my truck bushing jig on S-Trains photo section. They are on there under truck bushing jig, my Yahoo group name aftrainco. Thanks, Larry I am sending pics of this jig to all who have requested as of this time. Pic #6, from l-r 19/64 drill bit, .3115 reamer, #’s 14 &20 drill bits, .297,.311, 14&20 drill bits ,blank brass bushing and jig. Repair procedure as follows: place truck in jig upside down, using .297 drill guide, drill thru both sides of truck, then using .311 drill guide, ream holes with .3115 reamer. Using arbor press insert blank brass bushings in the four holes. Next using #14 & #20 bits and respective guide bushings, drill holes in the new bushings. The 2 guide pins in the center of jig are tapered below pin and seat in the holes of the bronze armature bearings. Will be happy to answer any questions or send additional pics, if needed. Thanks, Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73732	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 12/20/2013
Subject: Circus Engine Paint

I know this subject has been covered before but I cannot find with "search" What are the best "off the shelf" paints/colors to repaint AF Circus Engines? I know there are some special paints from various suppliers but with the special shipping charges they all seem a bit pricy. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73733	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings

Years ago (20+), jigs were available from two different manufacturers, and we used to sell both. But both were soon discontinued, and nothing new has come on the market, to my knowledge. We now have all our diesel trucks milled instead……far more accurate than drilling, even with a jig. And we also had press-in bushings made. These have the exact OD to replace the early factory bushings, although they do not have the “key” on them; once secured in place, the “key” is unnecessary. And our four-piece kit includes two bushings with the correct small ID, and two with the correct large ID. It is very easy to use these bushings to re-bush an early truck which has the factory bushings. The later trucks without factory bushings still require highly accurate Placement of that initial hole. We offer a milling service for that, and can often do an immediate swap out of the truck you send us.   <<<. I have a jig (not sure who made it) that I believe I bought from Doug Peck a number of years ago. It works OK, but I recently had the same thought to have it modified so that I can drill out any chassis and use replaceable bushings. >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73734	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73735	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Circus Engine Paint

Hi Rodger try Doug Peck he may have some I have had great luck with his paints doug@... good luck stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rogermeekhof Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 11:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Circus Engine Paint     I know this subject has been covered before but I cannot find with "search" What are the best "off the shelf" paints/colors to repaint AF Circus Engines? I know there are some special paints from various suppliers but with the special shipping charges they all seem a bit pricy. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73736	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Action Caboose 25052

Hi be careful when you take shell off there are two tabs one on each side so after removing screw than slide tabs out of shell inserts most of the action cabooses do the same thing as the trucks move contact maybe broken a split second than reestablished especially at track joints I have several cabooses 977, 979 and 25052 have fun good luck stan   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fsage@... Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Action Caboose 25052     I just picked up a 25052 Action Caboose that is having an issue with track power from the rear truck. The solenoid is holding for the brakeman for the most part, but I am getting a lot of on/off with the light as it goes around the track. The track is clean, and I repolished the wheels. The lights are on steady for my 660 passenger cars, so there is something going on with this caboose. I also would like to add a rectifier as Tom Barker suggested in his book. Do I kill two birds with one stone and separate the chassis. Separating that chassis looks like it may be a challenge, I see one screw in the front of the body and no tabs.  Any suggestions from the experienced would be appreciated.   Fred    Hanover, Ma.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73737	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Circus Engine Paint

HI Roger,                     I stock Train Enamel. Spray Cans $9.50 each. 12 ounce cans. 5 ounce jars $4.50 includes the weight of the container.                                              Tom Seccia                                                 Triple"S"Supplies On Saturday, December 21, 2013 2:44 AM, rogermeekhof <rwmres@...> wrote:   I know this subject has been covered before but I cannot find with "search" What are the best "off the shelf" paints/colors to repaint AF Circus Engines? I know there are some special paints from various suppliers but with the special shipping charges they all seem a bit pricy. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73738	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Lionel Flyer 2-8-2 help needed.

Thanks to all for the very good and informative advice…   I will begin shopping for a CAB-1 TMCC control system and in the meantime I have hooked a 12B up in place of the 1 1/2B and now have sound while under power via the AmerModels sound controller.  Having an operating whistle while under power is a BIG improvement.   Still no smoke though, so I turned the switch back to off...    Thanks again…   Ben Colley Hallsville, MO Follow the Flag!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73739	From: c100495	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Action Caboose 25052

Hi Stan, Thank you for the tip. I think I have done about the best  I can. I added the rectifier so the AC hum is gone and I soldered a lead right from the rear truck to the light socket. Now there  are two leads on that bulb socket and not at the mercy of the ground traveling through the chassis. There is an occasional break of contact as the caboose travels the track, but nothing like before. The younger Grandkids will get a kick out of this addition as well as Grampie.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73740	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: incorrect ones RE: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for

Tom,   The stickers you sent were NOT what I was looking for or need … please re-read the description below:   … NOT the more-typical red/blue “crossing gate” stickers, but they’re red/white [ I think ] w/bold “Erector” on the side-panels. Do you know where I can find the ones I’m looking for  … ones with “Erector” on the side panels ??   Many thanks, in advance;   Ron Warner     From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ?     Hi Ron,                           I have these in stock. Go to my regular email. seccia@....                                                           Tom Seccia                                                            Triple "S" Supplies   On Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:09 PM, Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> wrote:   Hi you might want to try doug peck at portliness doug@... <mailto:doug@...> or try trains and more TRAINS <mailto:TRAINS&MORE@...> &MORE@... or tom seccia seccia@... <mailto:seccia@...> or bill parr BPARRTRAINS@... <mailto:BPARRTRAINS@...> good luck stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Warner, Ronald Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? Dear Group, does anyone know where I might purchase a pair of “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? These are NOT the more-typical red/blue “crossing gate” stickers, but they’re red/white [ I think ] w/bold “Erector” on the side-panels. Any help is appreciated, in advance; “Happy railS to you …” Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73741	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Christmas Trains and Toy Trains in the Washington Post

Hello friends, I have enjoyed reading Clem Clement's reports on the National Christmas Tree train exhibit that he has been involved with for so long. I was lucky enough to be in DC a couple of years ago to see the exhibit first hand, and I really enjoyed it. Like Clem's group and layout, the Capitol Holidays Layout made the local newspaper out here in Oregon. A second article appeared recently this season about the State Capitol Holiday Decorations. This one was written specifically to discuss our S gauge train layout that has been displayed in the capitol rotunda for three decades now: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20131209/NEWS/312090025/Model-dedication-Volunteers-keep-former-governor-s-vision-track I was out of town when the reporter called to schedule the interview and pictures, but the A C Gilbert connection to Salem and Oregon has been well detailed in the past. Don does a good job in this article and related video discussing the layout itself and is the real master craftsman behind its construction. I merely have served as his aging apprentice, Gilbert historian, and American Flyer train advisor and provider. The picture gallery is pretty good as well. By the way, my memory of the then governor's comment about the layout many years ago cited in the article was: "I can't wait until next year to see what new Salem area buildings you have put on the layout." At least that is the motivation Don and I took with us as we planned our upgrades to the layout for the next year. Happy Holidays, Alan Bennett Keizer, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73742	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/22/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 22, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73743	From: rogermeekhof	Date: 12/21/2013
Subject: Re: Circus Engine Paint

Thanks for all responses folks --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rogermeekhof" <rwmres@...> wrote: > > I know this subject has been covered before but I cannot find with "search" > > What are the best "off the shelf" paints/colors to repaint AF Circus Engines? I know there are some special paints from various suppliers > but with the special shipping charges they all seem a bit pricy. > > Roger >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73744	From: Bill Lane	Date: 12/22/2013
Subject: S Scale GP38-2 for sale

Attachments : IMG_8239.jpg IMG_8237.jpg IMG_8236.jpg I have a Overland GP38-2 for sale. It was bought in a group of other models from Howie Waelder’s estate. I can imagine it was heading towards something Long Island Railroad but did not make it. I am sure it is in the same condition now as when Howie got it. Since it is still DC I did not test it. I just soldered 3 handrail stanchions but the handrails are in otherwise great condition.   As you can see it is without dynamic brakes but WITH the Anti-Climber.. a RARE VERSION for sure. I am glad it has the anti-climber. I would be tempted to keep it for PRSL!   Please reply directly to me.   Asking $500.00. If you have interest ***make an offer***. If you are tight for $$ right now, and we all are, I will accept $100.00 **now** with the balance due paid in full before 2-1-14. If not paid for by 2-1-14 it goes back up for sale & I keep the $100.00.   Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1987 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!   See my layout progress at: http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm Custom Train Parts Design http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls  ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com  Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73745	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/22/2013
Subject: Re: incorrect ones RE: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around

Hi Ron, ���������������� Send these back. I'll give you a full refund plus your shipping costs. �������������������� Tom On Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:53 PM, "Warner, Ronald" wrote: � Tom, � The stickers you sent were NOT what I was looking for or need … please re-read the description below: � … NOT the more-typical red/blue “crossing gate” stickers, but they’re red/white [ I think ] w/bold “Erector” on the side-panels. Do you know where I can find the ones I’m looking for �… ones with “Erector” on the side panels ?? � Many thanks, in advance; � Ron Warner � � From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? � � Hi Ron, ������������������������� I have these in stock. Go to my regular email. seccia@.... ��������������������������������������������������������� Tom Seccia ���������������������������������������������������������� Triple "S" Supplies � On Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:09 PM, Stanley Sobieski wrote: � Hi you might want to try doug peck at portliness doug@... or try trains and more TRAINS &MORE@... or tom seccia seccia@... or bill parr BPARRTRAINS@... good luck stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Warner, Ronald Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? Dear Group, does anyone know where I might purchase a pair of “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? These are NOT the more-typical red/blue “crossing gate” stickers, but they’re red/white [ I think ] w/bold “Erector” on the side-panels. Any help is appreciated, in advance; “Happy railS to you …” Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] �

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73746	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/22/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/22/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 22, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73747	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/22/2013
Subject: VWC trucks for AF Baldwin engines (Advertisement)

We are testing a method to up grade the AF Baldwin Diesel (1956 - 1958) engines to variable wheel contact trucks. There will be three (3) variations 1. Eight (8) wheel - no traction. 2. Eight (8) wheel - two (2) traction wheels and 3. Eight (8) wheel - four (4) traction wheels. This up grade will be done in our shops at a very reasonable price. LBR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73748	From: rapidrail1	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: American Flyer wind-up

I picked up a set of American Flyer wind-up track at a show this weekend.  I can find no identifying marks but I bought it from a reputable AF dealer.  The track is steel and has not been chromed, and the ties are such that the track is banked.  I have never seen this before.  I looked through my Greenberg Flyer books but find nothing.  Where can I get more info. on this track? Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73749	From: rhicks308	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer wind-up

A lot of Chicago Flyer 3-rail track was also banked, both straight and curved.  I'm not sure whether this feature was unique to AF -- does anybody know?  But don't you now wish you had super-elevated curves like that for your S gauge layout?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73750	From: srgriggs	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings

Doug, Do you still sell the press-in replacement bushings?  I looked at your website and could not find them.  Thanks. Scott Griggs Louisville, KY

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73751	From: calleytwo	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer wind-up

It was fairly common on Europesn and British track in the early days.Funnily enough I seem to recollect someone on one of the Yahoo groups doing extensive testing and finding that clockwork trains were more likely to stay on if the track had negative banking on the corners. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: 23 Dec 2013 05:29:11 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: American Flyer wind-up   A lot of Chicago Flyer 3-rail track was also banked, both straight and curved.  I'm not sure whether this feature was unique to AF -- does anybody know?  But don't you now wish you had super-elevated curves like that for your S gauge layout? ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73752	From: mikenguy9	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer wind-up

did you talk to the seller?  did he tell you anything?  I do not recll any track like that.  POSSIBLY an old catalog would have it.  were wind ups ever in the catalog??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73753	From: mike rosz	Date: 12/23/2013
Subject: Re: Christmas Trains and Toy Trains in the Washington Post

yes and Merry Christmas to you. On Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:02 PM, Alan and Sherry Bennett <alansherry@...> wrote:   Hello friends, I have enjoyed reading Clem Clement's reports on the National Christmas Tree train exhibit that he has been involved with for so long. I was lucky enough to be in DC a couple of years ago to see the exhibit first hand, and I really enjoyed it. Like Clem's group and layout, the Capitol Holidays Layout made the local newspaper out here in Oregon. A second article appeared recently this season about the State Capitol Holiday Decorations. This one was written specifically to discuss our S gauge train layout that has been displayed in the capitol rotunda for three decades now: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20131209/NEWS/312090025/Model-dedication-Volunteers-keep-former-governor-s-vision-track I was out of town when the reporter called to schedule the interview and pictures, but the A C Gilbert connection to Salem and Oregon has been well detailed in the past. Don does a good job in this article and related video discussing the layout itself and is the real master craftsman behind its construction. I merely have served as his aging apprentice, Gilbert historian, and American Flyer train advisor and provider. The picture gallery is pretty good as well. By the way, my memory of the then governor's comment about the layout many years ago cited in the article was: "I can't wait until next year to see what new Salem area buildings you have put on the layout." At least that is the motivation Don and I took with us as we planned our upgrades to the layout for the next year. Happy Holidays, Alan Bennett Keizer, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73754	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/24/2013
Subject: Re: diesel truck bushings

Listed in the AF PARTS catalog on the website, under  BUSHINGS !   BUSHINGS (ID: 611) BUSHING SET, Rebush any diesel truck; set of 4 (= 1 truck). $12.00     <<< Do you still sell the press-in replacement bushings? I looked at your website and could not find them. Thanks. >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73755	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/24/2013
Subject: Re: American Flyer wind-up

I got some two rail, S gauge, banked track in a box lot at a train show. The tops of the rail are round, not T-rail like the postwar stuff. I think it must be European or Japanese in production. I have no interest in the track, so if it is of interest to anyone out there...please let me know. There is even a track section with a mechanical feature- uncoupler? to be sure- there is a lot of strange track out there! Merry Christmas! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73756	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/24/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73757	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 12/24/2013
Subject: RE: incorrect ones RE: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers

Tom,   incorrect stickers are being returned; mailed [to Tom's Trains; 123 W. Washington Ave.; Clifton Heights, PA  19018] this afternoon.   thanks so much for your great customer service !!   "Happy railS to you ..." in 2014   sincerely,   Ron Warner From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Sheila Seccia [trainsandhobbies@...] Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 1:28 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: incorrect ones RE: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ?   Hi Ron, ���������������� Send these back. I'll give you a full refund plus your shipping costs. �������������������� Tom On Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:53 PM, "Warner, Ronald" wrote: � Tom, � The stickers you sent were NOT what I was looking for or need … please re-read the description below: � … NOT the more-typical red/blue “crossing gate” stickers, but they’re red/white [ I think ] w/bold “Erector” on the side-panels. Do you know where I can find the ones I’m looking for �… ones with “Erector” on the side panels ?? � Many thanks, in advance; � Ron Warner � � From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? � � Hi Ron, ������������������������� I have these in stock. Go to my regular email. seccia@.... ��������������������������������������������������������� Tom Seccia ���������������������������������������������������������� Triple "S" Supplies � On Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:09 PM, Stanley Sobieski wrote: � Hi you might want to try doug peck at portliness doug@... or try trains and more TRAINS &MORE@... or tom seccia seccia@... or bill parr BPARRTRAINS@... good luck stan From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Warner, Ronald Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? Dear Group, does anyone know where I might purchase a pair of “Erector” wrap-around stickers for the AC Gilbert piggy-back trailers ? These are NOT the more-typical red/blue “crossing gate” stickers, but they’re red/white [ I think ] w/bold “Erector” on the side-panels. Any help is appreciated, in advance; “Happy railS to you …” Ron Warner Shallowater, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] �

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73758	From: alanlambert64	Date: 12/24/2013
Subject: K325 60years later.

60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set.  With some new gear grease  It still runs like new. I  found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas. How many can say they still have their first train set still running. AlanLambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73759	From: Rick	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

That's a Merry Christmas story!! On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, <alanlambert64@...> wrote:   60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set.  With some new gear grease  It still runs like new. I  found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas. How many can say they still have their first train set still running. AlanLambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73760	From: alanlambert64	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

I should have said we moved to Fort Worth from Midland in 1959.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73761	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

Me too! I have the 48T Royal Blue freight set that I got for Christmas in 1948, at the ripe old age of 5 1/2. Still runs and pulls lots of cars! You can see it in a couple of my videos on YouTube under username parkvisitor. Bob Graves TheGilbertGallery.org On Dec 24, 2013, at 8:46 PM, <alanlambert64@...> wrote:   60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set.  With some new gear grease  It still runs like new. I  found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas. How many can say they still have their first train set still running. AlanLambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73762	From: Obie Bell	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

Alan, I can and I believe that most on this list that still have their first train will tell you that their train still runs as well.  Things were rugged back then and even if improperly stored or cared for a little TLC can  usually put them right back in shape.  That's probably the main reason we still enjoy them today. Merry Christmas to you and to all on this list. Obie From: alanlambert64@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:46:57 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] K325 60years later.   60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set.  With some new gear grease  It still runs like new. I  found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas. How many can say they still have their first train set still running. AlanLambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73763	From: richs009	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

I can - and it was about 60+ years ago for me too.  312 K5 pacific plus (I think) the New Haven green passenger set - baggage car and two coaches and enough track to get around my grandmother's christmas tree in Kansas...  Flyer stuff was a pretty standard Xmas gift for me growing up and since my birthday is also in December, there was a willingness to 'combine' the two events with one gift.  Gold's department store in Lincoln, NE was the main source, I think - at least that's what the fat guy in the red suit told me. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73764	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

I can join you, Al.  Also in 1953, my parents gave me my first---& only--- train set. Although it expanded over the years, I never had a second engine as a kid, but what they bought me was the K5358W set with a 336 Northern. Lucky kid…..they bought a very good set. And I still have it, amongst everything else!   <<<60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set. With some new gear grease It still runs like new. I found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas.  How many can say they still have their first train set still running.  AlanLambert >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73765	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

Got you boys beat.  64 years ago, my uncle bought me my first American Flyer set.  It was the farm set with two extra cars - the searchlight car and a Shell tanker.  It's has been running the entire Christmas season in the front window of my shop.  All original.  No replacement parts.  Merry Christmas.  Sharon Russell  Baltimore Area American Flyer Club -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K325 60years later.   That's a Merry Christmas story!! On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, <alanlambert64@...> wrote:   60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set.  With some new gear grease  It still runs like new. I  found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas. How many can say they still have their first train set still running. AlanLambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73766	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

Oh.  Forgot to tell y'all.  It was just before my second birthday. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K325 60years later.   That's a Merry Christmas story!! On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, <alanlambert64@...> wrote:   60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set.  With some new gear grease  It still runs like new. I  found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas. How many can say they still have their first train set still running. AlanLambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73767	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

I can too. Christmas of 1948 my father and uncle bought train sets for me and my cousin, both Hudsons. My cousin was 6 and I was -4 months, being born in April 1949.  I guess if I'd been a girl it would be Carrie and I'd have been a tomboy. We both still have our original trains plus more we've added over the years.  My cousin still has a room with his layout in it and my trains are in boxes being repaired (converting all to can motors from SnS) and I'm building my collection of kits while we look for the right house. Merry Christmas to all who celebrate and Happy Holidays to those who don't. Carey   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/24/2013 9:46 PM, alanlambert64@... wrote:   60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set.  With some new gear grease  It still runs like new. I  found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas. How many can say they still have their first train set still running. AlanLambert This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73768	From: John Asp	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

As a member of this list - I can tell you I have mine, and my 2 brothers (one now deceased) have/had thiers. My Dad gave us each one around the age of 7 or 8, and saved them for us for many years - we came across them when he passed - now we are adults, and retired. One brother got them all going again, and over time we each had our original sets - but not before we all got hooked on collecting and setting up  layouts, digging stuff out of yard sales, auctions and estates.  My youngest brother always wanted a Franklin set and found one at York. We thought it would be fun to go to York for the first time, and he flew out from Western Canada and we and 2 other Flyer chums went down from Ontario to York for the first time for all of us (we are all retired). My brother found the Franklin at the fire hall sale near the fairgrounds - and its up and running round his Xmas tree to the delight of his 5 little grandchildren.  Over the years I have accumulated a lot of common Flyer, and its hard to sell sometimes. Instead (I still have lots left over) I have put together working sets (mostly with Atlantic engines) and given them to my nephews and nieces and friends who have Grandchildren.  My original set was common, has a Pacific 290 - I have several 290s - so in order to keep my original one from getting mixed up with the others - I did not fix a quirky e unit that skipped one out of four times when reversing etc. (runs just fine that way for me - lol).  Tis a fine  hobby, does take up room,  keeps you out of bars, and provides lots of fun for all - especially at Christmas.   Merry Christmas from the Great White North (although Southern Ontario is surrounded on 3 sides by the USA and the Great Lakes and is the same latitude as Oregon - so some of our Great White North is the same as  much of yours). On 2013-12-24, at 10:47 PM, Obie Bell wrote: Alan, I can and I believe that most on this list that still have their first train will tell you that their train still runs as well.  Things were rugged back then and even if improperly stored or cared for a little TLC can  usually put them right back in shape.  That's probably the main reason we still enjoy them today. Merry Christmas to you and to all on this list. Obie From: alanlambert64@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:46:57 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] K325 60years later. 60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set.  With some new gear grease  It still runs like new. I  found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas. How many can say they still have their first train set still running. AlanLambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73769	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: First Train still with me

I didn't start with American Flyer.  My first Christmas (I wasn't quite 1 yet) a Marx wind up set appeared under the tree.  I still have it in the original box and get it out and wind it up once in a great while.  Still works fine!.    By the time I was four, Dad must have tired of winding it up the Marx train at my youthful insistence because a Flyer set appeared.  By then he was in the old Zanesville Model Railroad club which was scale O and HO, so only two rail track and realistic trains were good enough for his son! This was expanded regularly and led directly into scale model railroading for me.  There have been a LOT of track miles since then! Merry Christmas, y'all! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73770	From: poniaj	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

I too still have my first train, the New Silver Rocket, and after a bit of refurbishing, it runs as well as it ever did.  But last week, I finished a going over of a train a lady inherited from her dad, a 312 K5 with a few cars, and a lot of track and rubber roadbed.  After a good cleaning and lubrication (and freeing up the reverse unit), it runs like it did when she remembers it did when she was 10 years old.  The whistling bill  board brought a smile to her face that was priceless.  All the link couplers needed adjusting and a few wheels were replace on the rolling stock, and everything is nice and smooth and reliable.  She remembered making little buildings for it, and send me a photo of the set with those buildings she made at that time.  You can't put a monetary value on something like that.  Jerry in Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73771	From: James Lyle	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

My favorite "factoid" is that you can get parts faster for your 50 yr old toy train than you can your 2 yr old Volvo.  And it's more interesting Merry Christmas from Wardie Jay &  Jim Lyle Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2013, at 8:19 AM, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: I can join you, Al.  Also in 1953, my parents gave me my first---& only--- train set. Although it expanded over the years, I never had a second engine as a kid, but what they bought me was the K5358W set with a 336 Northern. Lucky kid…..they bought a very good set. And I still have it, amongst everything else!   <<<60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set. With some new gear grease It still runs like new. I found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas.  How many can say they still have their first train set still running.  AlanLambert >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturday s: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73772	From: Alan and Maggie Hill	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

I still have mine!  I got it in 1954 and played with it many years.  It is on display now in our sun room. Alan Hill Santa Fe, NM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73773	From: alan smith	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

My first American Flyer was one of the last Christmas presents from my father before he died May 1st 1953. I kept it in boxes for many years, moving from fixer upper house to  fixer upper house.  Retired in 2005 and needed something to do to keep from going nuts. SO--- out came the boxes and a new layout started -- 6.6 X 11.0 . That first engine was a 312 SIT.   About 1956 I wore it out (or so I thought) & it went away.  Little did  know then it could be fixed. I still have some of the linkage and the training truck off that engine. Here's the rest of the story.--  A few days before Christmas 1952 Dad brought in some lumber and a 4X8 sheet of plywood.  So -- down in the basement we went - "DAD what are you making I asked ".  "Sush-- you can't say a word"  was his reply . We are making something for Mom's Christmas.  Dad never told a fib before so I had no clue.  So we built the table and saw horses out of redwood.  It was all finished Christmas eve when I went to bed. I couldn't imagine what Mom was going to do with something so big. Christmas morning the 312 and the board was on the living room floor ready to run.  Surprise -- surprise -- surprise !  A couple years later I bought a 322 and 372( American flyer) from a a friend who was moving away and wasn't going to be able to take it with them.  Those engines are still with me today.  Plus the 8B transformer and all the cars from the first train . The original 632 hopper got so distorted it wasn't usable any longer and it's still in the stash of old train stuff.  Merry Christmas to all.   Alan in Ham, OH. On Dec 25, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Doug Peck wrote:   I can join you, Al.  Also in 1953, my parents gave me my first---& only--- train set. Although it expanded over the years, I never had a second engine as a kid, but what they bought me was the K5358W set with a 336 Northern. Lucky kid…..they bought a very good set. And I still have it, amongst everything else!   <<<60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set. With some new gear grease It still runs like new. I found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas.  How many can say they still have their first train set still running.  AlanLambert >>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73774	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

Alan, I actually think that there are quite a few of us that can say "they still have their first train set still running". Got my 322 SIT in 1947.  Still around and does run.  Smoker needs a bellows, but makes a racket! We Flyer guys are a weird breed.  We hang on to stuff. Merry Christmas. George Sorensen

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73775	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

Hi: Just a note - my 312 Pacific obtained in 1948 still operating - that puts it at 65 years - almost as old as I am! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway - Temporarily on duty in Alexandria, VA)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73776	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday

Attachments : We wish everyone a Happy Holiday.  My brother and I received our first train from Dad on Christmas morning 1947.   It was the 312 Pacific with four cars.  Dad built us a 4X8 layout to go with the set.  Great memories!  The 312 is still alive and in the hands of my brother.  He confiscated the set when I was in the Air Force in Japan.  The great part of having American Flyer is the fact that they run beautifully after 50 to 65 years.  I wonder how long the new Flyer will run and what the price will be to repair.  Speaking of AF classics, I just finished repairing a 343 Nickel Plate Switcher for a friend.  It has the finicky 4-position e-unit!  Got it running great and I’ll be sending it back as my Christmas present.  Wonderful trains!  Who needs a psychiatrist when you can run trains for a lot cheaper.       Wishing everyone a happy holiday and good fortune in 2014.    Bob in Brentwood, TN   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73777	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: [livediesel] Re: New Topic-not really

I envy you guys that still have your Flyer trains….. …….my first AF was a NYC Hudson freight set.   My Dad got into the Hobby and started building a layout using TruScale roadbed and brass rail in my grandfather’s basement. The Hudson was followed by a Alco S4 switcher powered on three axles with Miller power trucks….it couldn’t pull much so he scratchbuilt three reefers out of balsa wood and paper sides from The House of Trains in Chicago and got a plastic framed AF caboose with no light.   The switcher was DC so the Hudson and all following stuff was either –DC or converted.   Somehow I ended up with three 0-8-0s which I really liked because they could be double and triple headed.   I also had a Northern, GP7 and PA/PB.  The layout never got to the point where trains could run on it and an aunt felt sorry for me having all the trains with no place to run them so got me a sheet of plywood and a refurbished Circus Engine (painted green with a white stripe on the tender in case anybody has it!!) and a Lionel transformer to run it (this was in the days before DC power packs).   My grandfather (who moved out of the house where the layout was being built) ended up contracting with Chick Evans, the repair guy at LaGrange Hobbies at the time, to buy his 4x16 Flyer layout and set it up in our basement.    I had great fun running it and added a 4x8 extension on one side using some extra AF track and some of the TruScale track.    Unfortunately, I ended up selling it off at 10 cents on the dollar to LaGrange Hobbies when I was in High School and thought HO was better.   Towards the end of my Flyer days I wrote A.C. Gilbert making some product suggestions and got a nice letter back from American Flyer which I wish I still had……as it was a foreshadowing of my second career in the Model Railroad Industry.        My consulting practice has largely involved HO products but I have done some S Scale work (the Lionel AF NS Heritage units).   My personal modeling is in N Scale and 1.6” Scale Live Steam but I still have a soft spot for AF. Merry Christmas to you two railers!!!!   Charlie Vlk Railroad Model Resources

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73778	From: polichar	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: My First Flyer

I have been following the thread of when folks got their first electric train.  Mine came sometime between 1943 or 1944.  No one had electric trains or even the means to buy them due to the war effort.  Someone owed my Dad some money and offered to settle the debt with an electric train.  My standard gauge 2-4-2 engine and the freight set still sits in a place of honor on my wall of trains.  We played with it often and I probably killed its value with my crude repainting.  A couple of years later, Dad bought my brother the first Atlantic passenger set available after the war ended.  That set also has a place in my display.  Both sets still run although I don't have room for the standard gauge track on my layout.   Raulf Polichar San Diego S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73779	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

"Happy [Christmas] railS to all ..."   I also received my one & only Amer Flyer train in 1948 (Christmas morning) ... a SIB Hudson with 629 open-slat stock car, 625 Shell tanker, 634 CNW search light, 716 side-dump hopper, & 630 caboose   It was purchased from Roe's Hardware in Barnesville, OH [learned much later !!]; my great-uncle had returned from Calif. for the holidays, and he likely helped w/the purchase price, as it would have been a very expensive gift for my small-farm parents.  However, my great-uncle was well aware of my complete fascination with the real-life B&O Newark Division trains that passed through our part of Ohio.   Those memories are cherished and always returning ... long-live the legacy of A.C. Gilbert and the Baltimore & Ohio RR !!   Ron Warner Shallowater, TX   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Rance Velapoldi [rvelapoldi@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 10:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: K325 60years later.   Hi: Just a note - my 312 Pacific obtained in 1948 still operating - that puts it at 65 years - almost as old as I am! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway - Temporarily on duty in Alexandria, VA)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73780	From: traindavid	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60 years later

Alan, Actually, quite a few of us! Some of us never stopped playing with our trains too. Mine was/is a lowly 307. Actually, it wasn't mine to begin with, it was my Brothers' and I have the 355 Baldwin set my oldest brother bought with his paper route money. And my then there's all my cousin's sets that passed to me, including the Department Store Special with the prototype all aboard panels. Long stories many of us have to tell. Glad you are still enjoying yours too! Merry Christmas everyone! Run 'em if ya got 'em! David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73781	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

On 12/24/2013 11:05 PM, richs009@... wrote: > Flyer stuff was a pretty standard Xmas gift for me growing > up and since my birthday is also in December, there was a willingness to > 'combine' the two events with one gift. Gold's department store in > Lincoln, NE was the main source, I think - at least that's what the fat > guy in the red suit told me. I got my first set in 1952. Every year until about 1961 my folks bought me another set. By that time I was 15 and "too old to play with trains." I also got a couple of Erector sets during those years, the 8-1/2 and 10-1/2 sets. AC Gilbert was the main source of most of my birthday gifts as well. Around November 1952 my sisters and I were looking at trains and making a lot of "woo - woo" noises and my dad came running into the room to see what we were up to. He later told me he thought we had found that first train set he had hidden away. :-) I can remember my sisters and I going through the big Sears and Montgomery Wards Christmas catalogs and looking at toys. Seems to me Spiegel and JC Penney also had some toys but Sears and Wards were the "Gold Standard" for mail order toys back then. We lived in a small mining town in Arizona and besides the Phelps Dodge Mercantile Stores, only the Western Auto store had toys at Christmas. And yes, I still have them and they do run. I took some time last year and went through a lot of them, cleaning and lubing them and testing them. Merry Christmas to all. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73782	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: My First Flyer

Okay,  today ( Christmas morning) in 1950 I watched my first American Flyer set operate under our Christmas tree in Mt. Vernon, NY. It was a 1946 312 Pennsylvania K-5 with 3 green NH cars. One baggage and two OB NH passenger cars. It was from Hobby House of Cleveland, Ohio.   Through a later in life divorce I loss it and others from my X.    On Christmas Eve 1957 in light snow, I bought my first set. I bought it from Zephyr Model trains on south 4th Ave in Mt Vernon, NY. It was the New Yankee Clipper set with ALCo PA # 497 and three passenger cars. I paid $49.99 for it. Later I only had the cars and as above, the trains in my life were gone. On EBay I found my missing # 497. Yes the one I owned. How did I know it was my original ? The Honigs Parkway ( from the Bronx ) sicker on the chassis was gone but the yellow paint bleed on to the chassis without the tape, Lol. Also I put a blob of solder on the one brush and I new it was my real one. Thx to Portlines it runs all good again now.    Enjoy our trains, Frank.  Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2013, at 10:49 AM, "polichar" <polichar@...> wrote:   I have been following the thread of when folks got their first electric train.  Mine came sometime between 1943 or 1944.  No one had electric trains or even the means to buy them due to the war effort.  Someone owed my Dad some money and offered to settle the debt with an electric train.  My standard gauge 2-4-2 engine and the freight set still sits in a place of honor on my wall of trains.  We played with it often and I probably killed its value with my crude repainting.  A couple of years later, Dad bought my brother the first Atlantic passenger set available after the war ended.  That set also has a place in my display.  Both sets still run although I don't have room for the standard gauge track on my layout.   Raulf Polichar San Diego S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73783	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

My first and only set growing up was the 5565W.  I don't remember getting it since I was only a year old.  My brother was 6.  I played with it for many years growing up, switched to HO for a while, but when my son was born in '78 the flyer set was under the tree for his first Christmas.  The original set is still in the family.  Now I think I'll go run some trains!  Merry Christmas! Neil in Oregon On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 8:59 AM, Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...> wrote:   Hi: Just a note - my 312 Pacific obtained in 1948 still operating - that puts it at 65 years - almost as old as I am! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway - Temporarily on duty in Alexandria, VA)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73784	From: snstrains	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

I do. 1956 Near miss set. 293 and 13 cars. several of them are 8xx cars.   Steve   In a message dated 12/25/2013 5:56:21 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, flick23@... writes:   That's a Merry Christmas story!! On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, <alanlambert64@...> wrote:   60 years ago on Christmas I got my first train set.  With some new gear grease  It still runs like new. I  found it in my Mom"s attic after we moved here in Texas in 1959. Sorry that I don't have pictures to show. I got it when we lived in Kansas, then we moved to Midland Texas. Now we are in Fort Worth Texas. How many can say they still have their first train set still running. AlanLambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73785	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

65 YEARS AND 8 HOURS AGO I WAS LYING ON MY FLOOR IN CHARLESTON, WV..... 10 YEARS OLD AND PLAYING WITH MY NEW 4803 PASSENGER SET.... WATCHING IT RUN AROUND AND AROUND..... I STILL HAVE THAT SET COMPLETE WITH THE BENT COWCATCHER ( TRIP TO THE FLOOR FROM MY TABLE ) AND REPAINTED C AND O DECALS ON IT. IT STILL RUNS AND IS ON DISPLAY IN MY TRAIN ROOM. LATER I ADDED A OBSERVATION TO THE SET..... IN 1950 SANTA BROUGHT ME THE 5004 SET.... I STILL HAVE IT ON DISPLAY..... I WANTED A 312 SET IN 1953, BUT SANTA BROUGHT ME A CLOCK RADIO INSTEAD...... I LATER, IN 2008 FOUND THE BOXED LUMBER LOADER SET.... IN THE BOXES AND STILL HAVE IT TOO...... MANY HOURS WERE SPENT PLAYING WITH THE TRAINS AND LEARNING HOW TO GET THINGS WITH LAY A WAYS...... MY COAL LOADER PAID .25 CENTS A DAY TILL PAID OFF... MANY GOOD MEMORIES... OH BTW IN 1945 SANTA BROUGHT ME A LIONEL SET, WHICH I STILL HAVE TOO.... MERY CHRISTMAS TO ALL BOB CONNER Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73786	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

I got mine…  A  K5423T Mountaineer Steam Freight Train, boxes and everything.   AND, I also have the 4x8 layout Santa delivered it on!  And it is my current ‘test track’ while I complete the planning and such for my permanent layout.  It sat in protected  storage area for over 40 years before I moved it to my home.  I have only re-engaged this great hobby since retiring 4+ years ago, so I have a lot of catching up to do!!  Oh yeah, did I mention that it too runs just fine!   Ben Colley Hallsville, Missouri Follow the Flag!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73787	From: lionely6b	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

Still have my first -- a No. 4901T set from 1949 with boxes. Still runs -- not too much can go wrong with a 300AC. Merry, merry! Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73788	From: EDWARD	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Christmas train, my train story

Merry Christmas from a moderator. I got the 3 rail put together set with coil couplers when I was 5 or 6, the first Christmas after the war. There was no AF to be found. "L" beat AC to the punch. I added to the layout over the years with my Christmas & Birthday money. Then I got a paper route and added more. Off to the service I went. Mom had Dad dismantle the layout, he kept the trains in their original boxes. Got married and father in law gave me my brother in laws AF, 21445 set, sawmill and 30B transformer. Took turns setting them up in family room, alternating months. I crossed over when I sold the "L" in 75. Then went full bore from there with AF, first with Link & Pin because of the Royal Blue sets and knuckle and Pikemaster after that. Have several sets today and many open stock rolling and many accessories, some of which will never see my layout. Fell in love with AF Royal Blue in 1948, Had to wait until the 70's to get it. The small layout is now being brought back to life since my move three years ago. I need to complete the wiring and placing a train on the track. This year I plan on rebuilding my old layout that I dismantled for my move. Ho Ho Ho, Santa Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73789	From: alan smith	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Memories - we all cherish.

To all, Reading all the stories about the Trains we all enjoy and how it all started is heart warming  --- to say the least. We are an old bunch by the dates to when our first Flyer came to us is so noted .   We {collectively}  grew up with the smell of coal smoke and the HISS of the steam. The days when imagination ran wild in our minds. The dream of someday being an engineer on one of those fire breathing monsters was so strong you could almost taste it . If you were in a rail yard, depot or terminal  U could indeed taste it.  The mass of power and energy setting there before us was staggering.  Then with a blast of the whistle and  the sound of the beast coming to life was and is today a glorious experience.  The mournful cry of the steam whistle far off in the still night air  is indelible in our minds.  The spinning of the drivers trying to start a consist after being stopped by a signal. The sound of the  signal torpedos going off under a locomotive. The Chuff --  Chuff of an engine moving off from a stand still or the brakeman standing on the platform of a caboose.   The track gang chanting in preparation to moving a section of rail into place.  Placing a mail bag on the crank up pick off pole. The sight of the train as mail bag suddenly disappearing when mail car passed by. The feel of the pressure as the train went whizzing by at 60 or 70 MPH.  Gathering up the mail bag they threw out.   The Hobo coming to the back door of our house asking for a bite to eat (Mom never turned them away). I was told to not bother them while they sat on the back porch eating whatever Mom fixed .  Placing a  penny on the track to see it get mashed.    The sad day when the steam engine gave way to the NO imagination diesel.  The hum of a diesel throttling up does nothing to the imagination of far off places and the life of engineer.  Yes,  we are dinosaurs.  How we enjoyed those times and now we relive those memories in our hobby.   These are but a few of my favorite things.    The --- B&O --- C &O  and  NYC  ran thru my childhood. Old Ohio AL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73790	From: calleytwo	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

You know it is absolutely amazing that so many Gilbert owners still have their original sets. I bet no other group could boast of the same percentage of original sets in the hands of their first owners. I wonder why? I don't think it is a matter of demographics, other non Gilbert enthusiasts may be from the same socio-economic groups or geographical locations. I suspect it is because the die cast locos were quite well detailed semi scale models in their own right, robust and worthy of keeping as a valued toy and importantly the sets were not too bulky and so able to be stored inconspicuously when the owners temporarily lost interest. I don't know - I am open to suggestions. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 17:22:55 -0600 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 302 65 years later   I got mine…  A  K5423T Mountaineer Steam Freight Train, boxes and everything.   AND, I also have the 4x8 layout Santa delivered it on!  And it is my current ‘test track’ while I complete the planning and such for my permanent layout.  It sat in protected  storage area for over 40 years before I moved it to my home.  I have only re-engaged this great hobby since retiring 4+ years ago, so I have a lot of catching up to do!!  Oh yeah, did I mention that it too runs just fine!   Ben Colley Hallsville, Missouri Follow the Flag!   ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73791	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

This has been a great thread.  Much more enjoyable reading all your postings than the alternative threads that so often appear complaining about this, that, or the other thing (which is why I quit the S-Scale group list) !! Hope you all had a Merry Christmas………….and I’ll wish you all a Happy New Year now (since I’ll be out of touch for the next 2 weeks).   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73792	From: frank emiro	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

Doug, enjoy your Va Kay (NY SLANG), LOL.   Frank R. EMIRO From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 6:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 302 65 years later   This has been a great thread.  Much more enjoyable reading all your postings than the alternative threads that so often appear complaining about this, that, or the other thing (which is why I quit the S-Scale group list) !! Hope you all had a Merry Christmas………….and I’ll wish you all a Happy New Year now (since I’ll be out of touch for the next 2 weeks).   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73793	From: Rick	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: Memories - we all cherish.

Alan, I love everything about old steam.  Truly, the steam is more personable and alive than a diesel. I love stuff like 4014 coming back alive and watching and riding behind 3751.  However, I was brought up with diesels, and really miss SP/PE 1010.  That's the train I remember the most on the Santa Monica Air Line.  First engine I ever saw, and once (shhhh..) the engineer gave me a short ride in Culver City.  Sadly, it was moved to Kansas City and turned into a mule- then scrapped.  Brings a tear to my eye. The diesels today have all the mufflers and stuff that take the belch and fire away from the railroad experience and I hate that. Progress, Huh?  In the 60s, I wanted progress.  But nothing like the "progress" of today.  The people running this country are a bunch of ignorant morons and pussies.  I'm sure they can't appreciate the grandure of a great train.  Forgive me for spouting off... God bless you on this wonderful day, and stay well, Rick On Dec 25, 2013, at 4:15 PM, alan smith wrote:   To all, Reading all the stories about the Trains we all enjoy and how it all started is heart warming  --- to say the least. We are an old bunch by the dates to when our first Flyer came to us is so noted .   We {collectively}  grew up with the smell of coal smoke and the HISS of the steam. The days when imagination ran wild in our minds. The dream of someday being an engineer on one of those fire breathing monsters was so strong you could almost taste it . If you were in a rail yard, depot or terminal  U could indeed taste it.  The mass of power and energy setting there before us was staggering.  Then with a blast of the whistle and  the sound of the beast coming to life was and is today a glorious experience.  The mournful cry of the steam whistle far off in the still night air  is indelible in our minds.  The spinning of the drivers trying to start a consist after being stopped by a signal. The sound of the  signal torpedos going off under a locomotive. The Chuff --  Chuff of an engine moving off from a stand still or the brakeman standing on the platform of a caboose.   The track gang chanting in preparation to moving a section of rail into place.  Placing a mail bag on the crank up pick off pole. The sight of the train as mail bag suddenly disappearing when mail car passed by. The feel of the pressure as the train went whizzing by at 60 or 70 MPH.  Gathering up the mail bag they threw out.   The Hobo coming to the back door of our house asking for a bite to eat (Mom never turned them away). I was told to not bother them while they sat on the back porch eating whatever Mom fixed .  Placing a  penny on the track to see it get mashed.    The sad day when the steam engine gave way to the NO imagination diesel.  The hum of a diesel throttling up does nothing to the imagination of far off places and the life of engineer.  Yes,  we are dinosaurs.  How we enjoyed those times and now we relive those memories in our hobby.   These are but a few of my favorite things.    The --- B&O --- C &O  and  NYC  ran thru my childhood. Old Ohio AL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73794	From: Rick	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

Same to you too, Doug.  And, always, thanks for all the help. Rick On Dec 25, 2013, at 5:30 PM, Doug Peck wrote:   This has been a great thread.  Much more enjoyable reading all your postings than the alternative threads that so often appear complaining about this, that, or the other thing (which is why I quit the S-Scale group list) !! Hope you all had a Merry Christmas………….and I’ll wish you all a Happy New Year now (since I’ll be out of touch for the next 2 weeks).   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73795	From: John Asp	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

I think there is a large bubble of pre baby boomers and baby boomers at the base of this who hung onto our original sets.  That bubble dovetails with the good post war Flyer years in relative volume of quality USA production.  Thats a large part of it anyway - Im sure there are other reasons too.  On 2013-12-25, at 7:05 PM, alizoo@... wrote: You know it is absolutely amazing that so many Gilbert owners still have their original sets. I bet no other group could boast of the same percentage of original sets in the hands of their first owners. I wonder why? I don't think it is a matter of demographics, other non Gilbert enthusiasts may be from the same socio-economic groups or geographical locations. I suspect it is because the die cast locos were quite well detailed semi scale models in their own right, robust and worthy of keeping as a valued toy and importantly the sets were not too bulky and so able to be stored inconspicuously when the owners temporarily lost interest. I don't know - I am open to suggestions. Alistair   ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 17:22:55 -0600 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: 302 65 years later   I got mine…  A  K5423T Mountaineer Steam Freight Train, boxes and everything.   AND, I also have the 4x8 layout Santa delivered it on!  And it is my current ‘test track’ while I complete the planning and such for my permanent layout.  It sat in protected  storage area for over 40 years before I moved it to my home.  I have only re-engaged this great hobby since retiring 4+ years ago, so I have a lot of catching up to do!!  Oh yeah, did I mention that it too runs just fine!   Ben Colley Hallsville, Missouri Follow the Flag!   ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73796	From: alanlambert64	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Memories.

Sure made my day by all the response I got. Really great bunch of guys on this list. Now i will get it ready for our next train show in Plano, Texas in January.   Alan Lambert   Fort Wort, Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73797	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 12/25/2013
Subject: Re: Memories.

   My first train was a used 501T set that my dad got for me.I was to small to play with it,but he did every year till I was.There was nobody around where we lived to fix it when it broke so there are several home made parts.It still runs and I remember the derailment that melted a mark in the gondola when a wire shorted out. It has been with me for about 60 years and will never leave.  Bob Persing No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6950 - Release Date: 12/25/13

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73798	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: Memories - we all cherish.

Al’s post brought this to mind….a story I’ve told several times, but not on the List, I don’t believe. I was born in 1945, and my small town in CT had a very small passenger station at the end of the Shepaug Valley RR….a short-line branch of the NYNH&H RR.  My very earliest memory in life is sitting on my uncle’s lap on his back porch, looking down the hillside behind his house. It overlooked that passenger station, and I can still see in my mind the steam engine sitting there at the station , puffing away gray smoke. I don’t recall cars behind it, but that engine made an impression on me. So, the kicker to this is that my uncle died when I was barely two years old, leaving me that earliest memory in life. The line was abandoned in 1948, and the station is now a Laundry, I think..   <<< We {collectively} grew up with the smell of coal smoke and the HISS of the steam. The days when imagination ran wild in our minds. The dream of someday being an engineer on one of those fire breathing monsters was so strong you could almost taste it>>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73799	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: AWCT for pre-1966 AF Baldwin engines (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73800	From: Paul Krause	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: Memories - we all cherish.

Doug... interesting story. Where in CT did u live? Litchfield or Bantam? I did not think there were any stationsnleft around on that line. I live in New Milford on the Berskshire branch of the NYNH&H RR. Now known as the Housatonic. BTW: this is Paul Krause from the CT S-Gaugers . Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Doug Peck <doug@...>; To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Memories - we all cherish. Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2013 12:52:31 PM   Al’s post brought this to mind….a story I’ve told several times, but not on the List, I don’t believe. I was born in 1945, and my small town in CT had a very small passenger station at the end of the Shepaug Valley RR….a short-line branch of the NYNH&H RR.  My very earliest memory in life is sitting on my uncle’s lap on his back porch, looking down the hillside behind his house. It overlooked that passenger station, and I can still see in my mind the steam engine sitting there at the station , puffing away gray smoke. I don’t recall cars behind it, but that engine made an impression on me. So, the kicker to this is that my uncle died when I was barely two years old, leaving me that earliest memory in life. The line was abandoned in 1948, and the station is now a Laundry, I think..   <<< We {collectively} grew up with the smell of coal smoke and the HISS of the steam. The days when imagination ran wild in our minds. The dream of someday being an engineer on one of those fire breathing monsters was so strong you could almost taste it>>>   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73801	From: icehouse	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

I still have mine and it runs great. Better then most I should say... Mine was from 1952 I think. Merry Christmas to all...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73802	From: gartrain404	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

My 5004 set with a 342AC 0-8-0 switcher still runs great. I bought it new in 1952 from Uncle Bud at Sattlers Trains and Hobbies. Glenn Ritter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73803	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

To add to this thread I'm curious. Did anyone else get their first American Flyer set before they were born? Carey   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/25/2013 8:30 PM, Doug Peck wrote:   This has been a great thread.  Much more enjoyable reading all your postings than the alternative threads that so often appear complaining about this, that, or the other thing (which is why I quit the S-Scale group list) !! Hope you all had a Merry Christmas………….and I’ll wish you all a Happy New Year now (since I’ll be out of touch for the next 2 weeks).   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73804	From: zemouse2001	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

Santa brought me a 'new' Bradford diner (having a wife who likes trains is always a good thing!!). The general condition is good - the worse problem is missing paint (although the non-missing paint is in good shape)- maybe 20% or so is gone (here and there). It is missing the chimney (I know repro units are readily available) but otherwise is complete - the windows are in nice shape, it has the original TV antenna, the doors are in great shape and work well, the diner sign is there and, although worn a bit, is in ok shape and the decals are quite decent. So how much restoration should I do? I don't need to do anything (certainly nothing is urgent) but I would like to make the missing paint much less apparent. I'm seriously considering just 'spot' repairing the missing paint. I would remove the diner body from the base (including doors and windows), carefully treat the areas where the paint is chipped off and then repaint. I might (while the body is off put some white LED's inside for lighting (maybe even have a flickering LED to represent a TV set or sets). So any ideas, suggestions, comments, thoughts?? Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri, USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73805	From: Alan Bennett	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

Not quite, Carey, I was born in July of 1947, and my dad bought "my" 300AC freight set sometime before Christmas the same year.  And yes, I still have it, and it still runs. Happy New Year! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR Sent from my iPad On Dec 26, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote:   To add to this thread I'm curious. Did anyone else get their first American Flyer set before they were born? Carey   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/25/2013 8:30 PM, Doug Peck wrote:   This has been a great thread.  Much more enjoyable reading all your postings than the alternative threads that so often appear complaining about this, that, or the other thing (which is why I quit the S-Scale group list) !! Hope you all had a Merry Christmas………….and I’ll wish you all a Happy New Year now (since I’ll be out of touch for the next 2 weeks).   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73806	From: hunbet	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

My Dad bought me a 4607 set 6 months before I was born.Still have it and the 312 still runs 67 years later. Larry Obermann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73807	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

Hi Bob-- Be careful!! The more you repair, especially paint, the less it will be worth as a collectible. However, for your own enjoyment,I think a complete repaint and new decals would be a better fix. I took an Old Amricen Flyer Pullman and made my own diner and it came out great! I finally sold it and am building a new 1 from a Frontier passenger car shell. Eiher way good luck & have fun!! Thanks CJB Clement J Bianchi ----- Original Message ----- From: zemouse2001 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??   Santa brought me a 'new' Bradford diner (having a wife who likes trains is always a good thing!!). The general condition is good - the worse problem is missing paint (although the non-missing paint is in good shape)- maybe 20% or so is gone (here and there). It is missing the chimney (I know repro units are readily available) but otherwise is complete - the windows are in nice shape, it has the original TV antenna, the doors are in great shape and work well, the diner sign is there and, although worn a bit, is in ok shape and the decals are quite decent. So how much restoration should I do? I don't need to do anything (certainly nothing is urgent) but I would like to make the missing paint much less apparent. I'm seriously considering just 'spot' repairing the missing paint. I would remove the diner body from the base (including doors and windows), carefully treat the areas where the paint is chipped off and then repaint. I might (while the body is off put some white LED's inside for lighting (maybe even have a flickering LED to represent a TV set or sets). So any ideas, suggestions, comments, thoughts?? Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri, USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73808	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

Attachments : Carey, That is probably a very exclusive club. I was 5yrs old when I got my 282 set in 1952. I am curious to see what responses you get to this question. Thanks, Larry Moore   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carey Probst Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 302 65 years later     To add to this thread I'm curious. Did anyone else get their first American Flyer set before they were born? Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF   A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/25/2013 8:30 PM, Doug Peck wrote:   This has been a great thread.  Much more enjoyable reading all your postings than the alternative threads that so often appear complaining about this, that, or the other thing (which is why I quit the S-Scale group list) !! Hope you all had a Merry Christmas………….and I’ll wish you all a Happy New Year now (since I’ll be out of touch for the next 2 weeks).   Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.   This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73809	From: Bill Adams	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: S gauge for sale

Bless me S-gaugers, for I have sinned....I have to apologize to all who tried to contact me when I posted several months that I was downsizing. Administrative errors, computer problems and old age kept me from replying. I’ve taken photos and inventoried everything I have – mostly my original sets from around 1948 and 1949.  Nothing is boxed; nothing is in excellent shape and most needs a good cleaning. These are  S-gauge TOYS that I’ve played with.  Everything is going. Contact me off list @ wmfadamsny@....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73810	From: zemouse2001	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

Thanks for the comments. Yeah, I am aware of the 'collectable' aspect and, to some degree, I keep it in mind. You pegged it pretty close on the '..for your own enjoyment..' part. What remains of the original paint job (which is probably 90% there) looks very nice (e.g. good color and gloss) and this leads me to my thoughts that 'spot' repairing' might be desirable here. Then again much to be said for just re-doing the whole paint job. Choices! Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Clement J Bianchi" <cj@...> wrote: > > Hi Bob-- > Be careful!! The more you repair, especially paint, the less it will be worth as a collectible. However, for your own enjoyment,I think a complete repaint and new decals would be a better fix. I took an Old Amricen Flyer Pullman and made my own diner and it came out great! I finally sold it and am building a new 1 from a Frontier passenger car shell. > Eiher way good luck & have fun!! > Thanks CJB > Clement J Bianchi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: zemouse2001 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:06 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding?? > > > > Santa brought me a 'new' Bradford diner (having a wife who likes trains is always a good thing!!). The general condition is good - the worse problem is missing paint (although the non-missing paint is in good shape)- maybe 20% or so is gone (here and there). > > It is missing the chimney (I know repro units are readily available) but otherwise is complete - the windows are in nice shape, it has the original TV antenna, the doors are in great shape and work well, the diner sign is there and, although worn a bit, is in ok shape and the decals are quite decent. > > So how much restoration should I do? I don't need to do anything (certainly nothing is urgent) but I would like to make the missing paint much less apparent. I'm seriously considering just 'spot' repairing the missing paint. I would remove the diner body from the base (including doors and windows), carefully treat the areas where the paint is chipped off and then repaint. I might (while the body is off put some white LED's inside for lighting (maybe even have a flickering LED to represent a TV set or sets). > > So any ideas, suggestions, comments, thoughts?? > > Bob Groh > Blue Springs, Missouri, USA >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73811	From: rhicks308	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

Five years old seems like a good age to start -- I got a 5500T for Christmas in 1955, and it's all still there and working.   ACG products were really well made! A story: when I was (much) younger, my layout had a grade up the mountain and out to the edge of the table, where a future extension was planned.  One day I started my 332 up the grade, and then got distracted somehow.  I looked up just as the engine knocked aside the bumper and took a three or four foot drop onto the concrete floor.  "Oh *&^%$, that's the end of my Northern!"  So I picked it up.  The number boards were bent, but that was about it.  It's still in good condition and runs regularly. Randall

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73812	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: First Train and Bucket List

I, too, still have my first American Flyer set--and now a lot more. I am an operator, not a collector, which is one of the reasons that I am so involved with the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers since I have not yet begun my home layout. However, those trains have become more important to me since I was diagnosed with stage 4 metastatic cancer of the liver almost 2 years ago and given 6 to 18 months to live. This forced me to sell my American Flyer parts business to Clay Buckage and Barbara Rudnicki, but I still continue to repair trains and go to train shows. Fortunately, my cancer has not been as aggressive as originally feared, although I had a recent slight setback and am under a new chemo regimen. However, I continue to whittle down my bucket list. I continue to go to each York and helped to sell off Fred Jester's trains and parts. In addition, this past year I did a whole host of firsts: attended the most exciting Indy 500, attended the newly re-launched Pocono 400, went to the 50th anniversary of the founding of my fraternity chapter (of which I was in the pledge class at the time of chartering), went to NASG at Scranton/Steamtown, took a Via Rail trip from Toronto to Vancouver across the Canadian prairies and Rockies, cruised to Alaska including a ride on the Alaska and Yukon out of Skagway, and went ziplining. For Christmas this year I received a certificate for a ride in an Indy Car 2-seater at Charlotte Motor Speedway and an At the Throttle Pass for the NC Museum of Transportation at Spencer, NC. The latter involves training in running a steam locomotive and a half hour behind the throttle of Lehigh Valley Coal #126.  What a glorious life I am having!! And it all relates back to my AF trains. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73813	From: alanlambert64	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: K325 60years later.

Depending on when my K325 with the knuckle coupler. The one that has the clips and not the rivit, that hold it. If it came out in time for Christmas in 1952 I was 2years and 2 weeks old. That is the part that nobody can remember here at home.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73814	From: alan smith	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: First Train and Bucket List

Joe, God Bless YOU -    U just  keep on  -- Keeping on -- Great!   ---- Working on the bucket list is a good thing.   It's all keyed to the interest and imagination brought on by an interest that you share with all your old Flyer buddies.     Very best regards,  Hamilton  Alan   On Dec 26, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Joseph Haenn wrote:    I, too, still have my first American Flyer set--and now a lot more. I am an operator, not a collector, which is one of the reasons that I am so involved with the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers since I have not yet begun my home layout. However, those trains have become more important to me since I was diagnosed with stage 4 metastatic cancer of the liver almost 2 years ago and given 6 to 18 months to live. This forced me to sell my American Flyer parts business to Clay Buckage and Barbara Rudnicki, but I still continue to repair trains and go to train shows. Fortunately, my cancer has not been as aggressive as originally feared, although I had a recent slight setback and am under a new chemo regimen. However, I continue to whittle down my bucket list. I continue to go to each York and helped to sell off Fred Jester's trains and parts. In addition, this past year I did a whole host of firsts: attended the most exciting Indy 500, attended the newly re-launched Pocono 400, went to the 50th anniversary of the founding of my fraternity chapter (of which I was in the pledge class at the time of chartering), went to NASG at Scranton/Steamtown, took a Via Rail trip from Toronto to Vancouver across the Canadian prairies and Rockies, cruised to Alaska including a ride on the Alaska and Yukon out of Skagway, and went ziplining. For Christmas this year I received a certificate for a ride in an Indy Car 2-seater at Charlotte Motor Speedway and an At the Throttle Pass for the NC Museum of Transportation at Spencer, NC. The latter involves training in running a steam locomotive and a half hour behind the throttle of Lehigh Valley Coal #126.  What a glorious life I am having!! And it all relates back to my AF trains. Joe Joe's Train Repair ############# 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 ######### 919-471-2613 ######## Authorized Lionel Service Center ######### ########## joestrainrepair@... ###########

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73815	From: Bruce	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

Can’t say that I got it before I was born, but certainly before I could play with it!  I was 2 years old in 1953 and my brother wasn’t even born yet when my father bought a Chrome Rocket set, 5363W, for me and a Hudson Pacemaker set, 5352W, for my unborn brother.  He enjoyed it until he built an 11x20 foot elevated layout in the basement for us to use, sometime in 1959 for me and my brother checking in around 1962.  The layout was used during the Christmas season only, from about December 15th through the middle of January each year, and covered until the next Christmas season.  The layout was dismantled when I started noticing girls and never rebuilt, although the trains, transformers, and accessories went into storage.  Sometime in the early 70s, they were split amongst my brother and I and that is what started the rekindling of my interest.  Both my brother and I have our original sets.  I’m the only one of the two of us that took it all to “another level”  :)   Bruce     From: Carey Probst Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:34 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 302 65 years later     To add to this thread I'm curious. Did anyone else get their first American Flyer set before they were born? Carey <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF   <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/25/2013 8:30 PM, Doug Peck wrote:   This has been a great thread.  Much more enjoyable reading all your postings than the alternative threads that so often appear complaining about this, that, or the other thing (which is why I quit the S-Scale group list) !! Hope you all had a Merry Christmas………….and I’ll wish you all a Happy New Year now (since I’ll be out of touch for the next 2 weeks). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73816	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: My Story

I received my first AF train set when I was four years old (1948) from my Aunt when I lived in Philadelphia. It was a Pacific 343 with a grey coal and  black oil car with a caboose. I still have the set.  Every year my dad put up the platform and  the tree and I installed the track around the tree.   I then acquired over the fifties passenger cars and switches along with every catalogue until 1960. I remember going to the Hobby Shop on Frankford Ave in Phila. and the Department store displays in Downtown Phila department stores. My favorite was the one in Schnellenbergs (SP?) on Market St between Gimbels and Wanamakers.   My mother put everything in our attic and didn’t touch them until I found them in the late seventies.  I really started back into AF in the early nineties when I had some room to put up a moderately sized layout.   Just before  getting my set I remember coming back from Tulsa on an American Flyer DC-6 (my father worked for American Airlines and we were on home leave). The pilot let me sit on his knee and fly the plane (something that doesn’t happen anymore). We landed at Washington National and I remember them rolling up the stairs  We went over to the Washington D.C. train station for our connection to Phila. I don’t remember much but I still remember the GG1 that was pulling the passenger cars (I still have four AM GG1s) which took us to North Philadelphia Station where we got off. That trip kicked off my life long love of trains and planes.   I don’t have many detailed memories left of when I was a kid but these are still vivid in my mind and probably are why I cherish my hobby.   Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73817	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

Bob, This piece is yours to do with as you please. Paint it if you want. AC Gilbert and Joshua Lionel Cowen did not make collectibles (but LTI does).  They made toys to be played (and played) with. They must be rolling in their graves knowing that people have their trains sitting in boxes or shelves having never (or seldom) been run. I have been a TCA member since 1975 and appreciate the access it gives me to trains. But it has also done a lot of harm to the hobby. Did you know that whether an item runs or operates is not part of the TCA grading specifications. So, repaint it, paint it red, or do with it as you like. Sure it affects its value, but I never bought a train to make money off of it. I bought it to run it and play with it. Let the flames commence. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73818	From: tbennerohio	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: First Train and Flyonel Heavyweights

As the youngest child I was allowed to play with my older brothers' Marx trains.  Fun to be sure but MY first train was a 326 pulling a freight with a rocket launcher all from Bill & Walt's Hobby Shop in Pgh PA.  My Hudson is long gone but have a reasonable facsimile in a restored repainted K325... Essentially a 326 without traction tires. I always wanted to see the 326 pulling a string of heavyweights painted up for NYC.  In 2007 I ordered a Flyonel NYC set from a large hobby house only to be informed a couple of weeks before the holidays that they were out of stock.  So the Hudson pulled a 3 car AF heavyweight set until this year.  Portlines had the NYC set and I couldn't get them here fast enough! They are good-looking cars, longer than original AF and geez are they heavy!  The K325 struggles to pull them around curves on level track let alone a mild grade.  Plenty of power but too much wheel slip.  My hope is that they become more free rolling with lubrication and use.  Any advice about that?  Right now my AM Empire Express is pulling them with no problem, but I would live to see them behind my old AF Hudson.   Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73819	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: First Train and Bucket List

Hey, Joe…. Wow !!  What an envious list of one-year accomplishments that is…..and it’s still rolling! That’s just great!  And of course, we’re all glad that your making better progress than had originally been forecast! Take care….stay strong…..and keep whittling away at that list ! Happy New Year to you and your wife! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73820	From: rick gough	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

Bare in mind that in 30 years none of this stuff may have any kind of value. I'd repaint it as I am an operator and like for my buildings to look other than run down, but hardly perfect. I have found that one or two accessory bulbs light the buildings much better than LED's, which seem to be too directional also and maybe too blue.   My latest;  I just repainted a C-6 green 732 in maroon to run with my NYC heavy weights behind any of a number of great Hudsons. It looks pretty good.   Wish I'd gotten a 'new' Flyer item for Xmas .... think I'll be sure and do that in the future!!   Enjoy   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding?? ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=15974281132&tc_rand=1567599577&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=zobuc3fjlkH6rfBWJywmQKOx31kCXN76RAM7L1tabHr26rPX%2B6Ug4kyG%2Bq7060Ny&key=an8ACwc1c0tEkXmRMnugIB6OfUwry8VGOcnO0xahVW0%3D   Thanks for the comments. Yeah, I am aware of the 'collectable' aspect and, to some degree, I keep it in mind. You pegged it pretty close on the '..for your own enjoyment..' part. What remains of the original paint job (which is probably 90% there) looks very nice (e.g. good color and gloss) and this leads me to my thoughts that 'spot' repairing' might be desirable here. Then again much to be said for just re-doing the whole paint job. Choices! Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Clement J Bianchi" <cj@...> wrote: > > Hi Bob-- > Be careful!! The more you repair, especially paint, the less it will be worth as a collectible. However, for your own enjoyment,I think a complete repaint and new decals would be a better fix. I took an Old Amricen Flyer Pullman and made my own diner and it came out great! I finally sold it and am building a new 1 from a Frontier passenger car shell. > Eiher way good luck & have fun!! > Thanks CJB > Clement J Bianchi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: zemouse2001 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:06 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding?? > > > > Santa brought me a 'new' Bradford diner (having a wife who likes trains is always a good thing!!). The general condition is good - the worse problem is missing paint (although the non-missing paint is in good shape)- maybe 20% or so is gone (here and there). > > It is missing the chimney (I know repro units are readily available) but otherwise is complete - the windows are in nice shape, it has the original TV antenna, the doors are in great shape and work well, the diner sign is there and, although worn a bit, is in ok shape and the decals are quite decent. > > So how much restoration should I do? I don't need to do anything (certainly nothing is urgent) but I would like to make the missing paint much less apparent. I'm seriously considering just 'spot' repairing the missing paint. I would remove the diner body from the base (including doors and windows), carefully treat the areas where the paint is chipped off and then repaint. I might (while the body is off put some white LED's inside for lighting (maybe even have a flickering LED to represent a TV set or sets). > > So any ideas, suggestions, comments, thoughts?? > > Bob Groh > Blue Springs, Missouri, USA >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73821	From: zemouse2001	Date: 12/26/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

Thanks to Joe and Rick (and the others) for their comments. I am not in this for the 'collectability' aspect although I would hate to ruin a rare item just be make it my own (so to speak). This little diner is certainly not rare and frankly the only thing that stops me from a repaint is that the paint that is on it is in pretty good shape! Except where there isn't any, of course. Pictures in a Picassa album at: https://picasaweb.google.com/115279229771946172442/AmericanFlyerSGaugeBardfordDiner?authuser=0&feat=directlink If anyone cares to look (and if the link survives passage through the Yahoo system). Comment about the LEDs (color and directionality) will be taken into account. One interesting observation is that my Bradford Diner is the mirror image of another one I have seen (i.e. the TV antenna is on the opposite end (relative to the signage). Now that is interesting! Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73822	From: Dave	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

All these stories got me thinking of my Dad's train playing days. He was single, living in a work in process place, and would  setup trains all over his open concept 1st floor. The bridges were for people to step over the tracks. This was only at Christmas time, like your story Bruce.   Later he built in the basement, the entire perimeter and a broad strip of track in the middle that disecting the basement. There were two control stations, East and West, each controlling a main loop all around the basement and a local loop on one side. Dad had about 18 various engines, and if an operator was clever, he could run 2 trains on each of his 2 loops while sending a train to the other guy and receiving a train from him all at the same time. That would be 12 running trains, although we probably never got all that together before one train overtook another, a coupler failed, operator was asleep at the switch, etc. The game was to run each train received from the other operator, at least once around each loop before returning to the other guy. One was shamed by not receiving trains fast enough as they could stack up on the receiving rails 3 deep.   There were train eras, when for 2 or 3 months we would play for an hour or two each night, then long quiet times when dust and boxes of basement stuff would accumulate on the idle tracks. Always there woud come a time when we would excitedly get the trains going again. Wonderful times with Dad.           From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 302 65 years later       Can’t say that I got it before I was born, but certainly before I could play with it!  I was 2 years old in 1953 and my brother wasn’t even born yet when my father bought a Chrome Rocket set, 5363W, for me and a Hudson Pacemaker set, 5352W, for my unborn brother.  He enjoyed it until he built an 11x20 foot elevated layout in the basement for us to use, sometime in 1959 for me and my brother checking in around 1962.  The layout was used during the Christmas season only, from about December 15th through the middle of January each year, and covered until the next Christmas season.  The layout was dismantled when I started noticing girls and never rebuilt, although the trains, transformers, and accessories went into storage.  Sometime in the early 70s, they were split amongst my brother and I and that is what started the rekindling of my interest.  Both my brother and I have our original sets.  I’m the only one of the two of us that took it all to “another level”  :)   Bruce     From: Carey Probst Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:34 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 302 65 years later     To add to this thread I'm curious. Did anyone else get their first American Flyer set before they were born? Carey <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF   <!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--> A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State ,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/25/2013 8:30 PM, Doug Peck wrote:   This has been a great thread.  Much more enjoyable reading all your postings than the alternative threads that so often appear complaining about this, that, or the other thing (which is why I quit the S-Scale group list) !! Hope you all had a Merry Christmas………….and I’ll wish you all a Happy New Year now (since I’ll be out of touch for the next 2 weeks). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport , MA 01950 -3408 doug@... www.portlines.com Phone Order Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST) only. 978-465-8798 (Questions & Information) 1-888-708-0782 (Phone Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73823	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

On 12/26/2013 4:42 PM, randallhicks@... wrote: > Five years old seems like a good age to start -- I got a 5500T for > Christmas in 1955, and it's all still there and working. ACG products > were really well made! I was 6-1/2 in 52 when I got my first set, a 283 with a bunch of cars and a whistle. I would say 95% of what I got over the next 10 years still works. While I admire the realism and action of some of the newer stuff, I also realize their is a very slim chance any of it will work 60 years from now. Back then, toys were made to last. Actually, a lot of things were made to last. We just retired the television set my mother and father in-laws gave us for a wedding present nearly 30 years ago. It still works but we wanted a big screen. I teach computer operating systems like Windows and Linux and have seen technology go a long ways in my lifetime. From vacuum tubes of the late 40's to multiple processors on a single chip. But the things that will survive into the next millennium are probably the old simple mechanical things like our trains. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73824	From: Obie Bell	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

CAUTION! OPINION FOLLOWS MAY NOT BE SUITED TO PURISTS  Hello Bob, I normally don't jump into this kind of stuff as it usually only ends up starting controversies, that lead to arguments, that end with a list moderator calling on all parties to put a stop to the topic.  But since I have a little free time hear is my take on your question.  I have seen the photos of your diner and although as you say the paint that is present looks acceptable, to try to spot and blend to match would take considerable time to preserve collector value.  What collector value?  Let's say that you paid $100.00 for this diner and repainting it cut the value 50%, so if you decide to sell it you lose $50.00, I'm sure you have spent as much for you and your wife to have a nice lunch.  Now at least you'll end up with a nice looking accessory.  What do have left from the lunch?  Just as an experiment let me really poke me head up to see if I will draw fire. Unless we are talking about something like a one of a kind prototype or perhaps with a very few exceptions NONE of these items are RARE.  They were produced for the most part in the thousands and thousands still exist today.  Granted condition will dictate desirability and price, but even these top condition items are perhaps scarce but not rare. Many of the "purists" read blasphemy with this prior statement and reinstating the initial caution statement this is only my opinion,  but we are not operating and collecting Duesenbergs here, these are toy trains that were made to be enjoyed as the owner sees fit. Many of the fortunate few that have Duesenbergs operate them and keep them up by restoration and painting when necessary. Obie To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: bob.groh@... Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 06:08:26 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??   Thanks to Joe and Rick (and the others) for their comments. I am not in this for the 'collectability' aspect although I would hate to ruin a rare item just be make it my own (so to speak). This little diner is certainly not rare and frankly the only thing that stops me from a repaint is that the paint that is on it is in pretty good shape! Except where there isn't any, of course. Pictures in a Picassa album at: https://picasaweb.google.com/115279229771946172442/AmericanFlyerSGaugeBardfordDiner?authuser=0&feat=directlink If anyone cares to look (and if the link survives passage through the Yahoo system). Comment about the LEDs (color and directionality) will be taken into account. One interesting observation is that my Bradford Diner is the mirror image of another one I have seen (i.e. the TV antenna is on the opposite end (relative to the signage). Now that is interesting! Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73825	From: Warner, Ronald	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: 65 yrs later - my first Amer Flyer.

My sincere apology if this is a “repeat” msg … my computer indicated it was not sent earlier   I have thoroughly enjoyed all of your other “first Amer Flyer” stories   Ron Warner   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Warner, Ronald Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 12:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: K325 60years later.   "Happy [Christmas] railS to all ..."  I also received my one & only Amer Flyer train in 1948 (Christmas morning) ... a SIB Hudson with 629 open-slat stock car, 625 Shell tanker, 634 CNW search light, 716 side-dump hopper, & 630 caboose  It was purchased from Roe's Hardware in Barnesville, OH [learned much later !!]; my great-uncle had returned from Calif. for the holidays, and he likely helped w/the purchase price, as it would have been a very expensive gift for my small-farm parents.  However, my great-uncle was well aware of my complete fascination with the real-life B&O Newark Division trains that passed through our part of Ohio.  Those memories are cherished and always returning ... long-live the legacy of A.C. Gilbert and the Baltimore & Ohio RR !!  Ron Warner Shallowater, TX   From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Rance Velapoldi [rvelapoldi@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 10:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: K325 60years later.   Hi: Just a note - my 312 Pacific obtained in 1948 still operating - that puts it at 65 years - almost as old as I am! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway - Temporarily on duty in Alexandria, VA)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73826	From: zemouse2001	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

To Obie's points - I don't know (and won't ask since it was a present) how much was spent for the diner, but my wife allows that it was in the $30 range. To clarify, I am NOT even the slightest bit interested it's 'collection' value. I just want it to look 'neat'. At this moment, I will probably just touch it up (yeah, I know - it won't look all that good) and get it onto my 'to be born' layout. Probably even keep the original light bulb inside. I just think it is cool. And my train crews need a place to have breakfast and dinner. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Obie Bell <bellokdaka@...> wrote: > > CAUTION! OPINION FOLLOWS MAY NOT BE SUITED TO PURISTS > Hello Bob, > I normally don't jump into this kind of stuff as it usually only ends up starting controversies, that lead to arguments, that end with a list moderator calling on all parties to put a stop to the topic. But since I have a little free time hear is my take on your question. I have seen the photos of your diner and although as you say the paint that is present looks acceptable, to try to spot and blend to match would take considerable time to preserve collector value. What collector value? Let's say that you paid $100.00 for this diner and repainting it cut the value 50%, so if you decide to sell it you lose $50.00, I'm sure you have spent as much for you and your wife to have a nice lunch. Now at least you'll end up with a nice looking accessory. What do have left from the lunch? > Just as an experiment let me really poke me head up to see if I will draw fire. Unless we are talking about something like a one of a kind prototype or perhaps with a very few exceptions NONE of these items are RARE. They were produced for the most part in the thousands and thousands still exist today. Granted condition will dictate desirability and price, but even these top condition items are perhaps scarce but not rare. > Many of the "purists" read blasphemy with this prior statement and reinstating the initial caution statement this is only my opinion, but we are not operating and collecting Duesenbergs here, these are toy trains that were made to be enjoyed as the owner sees fit. > Many of the fortunate few that have Duesenbergs operate them and keep them up by restoration and painting when necessary. > Obie > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: bob.groh@... > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 06:08:26 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Joe and Rick (and the others) for their comments. I am not in this for the 'collectability' aspect although I would hate to ruin a rare item just be make it my own (so to speak). This little diner is certainly not rare and frankly the only thing that stops me from a repaint is that the paint that is on it is in pretty good shape! Except where there isn't any, of course. Pictures in a Picassa album at: > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/115279229771946172442/AmericanFlyerSGaugeBardfordDiner?authuser=0&feat=directlink > > > > If anyone cares to look (and if the link survives passage through the Yahoo system). > > > > Comment about the LEDs (color and directionality) will be taken into account. One interesting observation is that my Bradford Diner is the mirror image of another one I have seen (i.e. the TV antenna is on the opposite end (relative to the signage). Now that is interesting! > > > > Bob Groh > > Blue Springs, Missouri >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73827	From: tomminil	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

Hi all Bob it your gift toy to do as you wish.  ENJOY Tom  FOR A GREAT DISNEYWORLD AREA VACATION SEE THE  CONDO WEBSITE  MYDISNEYVACATIONCONDO.WEEBLY.COM -------- Original message -------- From: zemouse2001 <bob.groh@...> Date: 12/27/2013 3:55 PM (GMT-06:00) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??   To Obie's points - I don't know (and won't ask since it was a present) how much was spent for the diner, but my wife allows that it was in the $30 range. To clarify, I am NOT even the slightest bit interested it's 'collection' value. I just want it to look 'neat'. At this moment, I will probably just touch it up (yeah, I know - it won't look all that good) and get it onto my 'to be born' layout. Probably even keep the original light bulb inside. I just think it is cool. And my train crews need a place to have breakfast and dinner. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Obie Bell <bellokdaka@...> wrote: > > CAUTION! OPINION FOLLOWS MAY NOT BE SUITED TO PURISTS > Hello Bob, > I normally don't jump into this kind of stuff as it usually only ends up starting controversies, that lead to arguments, that end with a list moderator calling on all parties to put a stop to the topic. But since I have a little free time hear is my take on your question. I have seen the photos of your diner and although as you say the paint that is present looks acceptable, to try to spot and blend to match would take considerable time to preserve collector value. What collector value? Let's say that you paid $100.00 for this diner and repainting it cut the value 50%, so if you decide to sell it you lose $50.00, I'm sure you have spent as much for you and your wife to have a nice lunch. Now at least you'll end up with a nice looking accessory. What do have left from the lunch? > Just as an experiment let me really poke me head up to see if I will draw fire. Unless we are talking about something like a one of a kind prototype or perhaps with a very few exceptions NONE of these items are RARE. They were produced for the most part in the thousands and thousands still exist today. Granted condition will dictate desirability and price, but even these top condition items are perhaps scarce but not rare. > Many of the "purists" read blasphemy with this prior statement and reinstating the initial caution statement this is only my opinion, but we are not operating and collecting Duesenbergs here, these are toy trains that were made to be enjoyed as the owner sees fit. > Many of the fortunate few that have Duesenbergs operate them and keep them up by restoration and painting when necessary. > Obie > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: bob.groh@... > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 06:08:26 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Joe and Rick (and the others) for their comments. I am not in this for the 'collectability' aspect although I would hate to ruin a rare item just be make it my own (so to speak). This little diner is certainly not rare and frankly the only thing that stops me from a repaint is that the paint that is on it is in pretty good shape! Except where there isn't any, of course. Pictures in a Picassa album at: > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/115279229771946172442/AmericanFlyerSGaugeBardfordDiner?authuser=0&feat=directlink > > > > If anyone cares to look (and if the link survives passage through the Yahoo system). > > > > Comment about the LEDs (color and directionality) will be taken into account. One interesting observation is that my Bradford Diner is the mirror image of another one I have seen (i.e. the TV antenna is on the opposite end (relative to the signage). Now that is interesting! > > > > Bob Groh > > Blue Springs, Missouri >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73828	From: Clement J Bianchi	Date: 12/27/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

Hi Bob-- I think logic says " Touch it Up", you might like it. If not, you can always paint it later. It will need an automobile technique w/ airbrush and light sanding and rubbing.Whereas, a touchup will be quick & easy and probably OK for your crew to have breakfast. Thanks CJB ----- Original Message ----- From: zemouse2001 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??   To Obie's points - I don't know (and won't ask since it was a present) how much was spent for the diner, but my wife allows that it was in the $30 range. To clarify, I am NOT even the slightest bit interested it's 'collection' value. I just want it to look 'neat'. At this moment, I will probably just touch it up (yeah, I know - it won't look all that good) and get it onto my 'to be born' layout. Probably even keep the original light bulb inside. I just think it is cool. And my train crews need a place to have breakfast and dinner. Bob --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Obie Bell <bellokdaka@...> wrote: > > CAUTION! OPINION FOLLOWS MAY NOT BE SUITED TO PURISTS > Hello Bob, > I normally don't jump into this kind of stuff as it usually only ends up starting controversies, that lead to arguments, that end with a list moderator calling on all parties to put a stop to the topic. But since I have a little free time hear is my take on your question. I have seen the photos of your diner and although as you say the paint that is present looks acceptable, to try to spot and blend to match would take considerable time to preserve collector value. What collector value? Let's say that you paid $100.00 for this diner and repainting it cut the value 50%, so if you decide to sell it you lose $50.00, I'm sure you have spent as much for you and your wife to have a nice lunch. Now at least you'll end up with a nice looking accessory. What do have left from the lunch? > Just as an experiment let me really poke me head up to see if I will draw fire. Unless we are talking about something like a one of a kind prototype or perhaps with a very few exceptions NONE of these items are RARE. They were produced for the most part in the thousands and thousands still exist today. Granted condition will dictate desirability and price, but even these top condition items are perhaps scarce but not rare. > Many of the "purists" read blasphemy with this prior statement and reinstating the initial caution statement this is only my opinion, but we are not operating and collecting Duesenbergs here, these are toy trains that were made to be enjoyed as the owner sees fit. > Many of the fortunate few that have Duesenbergs operate them and keep them up by restoration and painting when necessary. > Obie > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: bob.groh@... > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 06:08:26 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Joe and Rick (and the others) for their comments. I am not in this for the 'collectability' aspect although I would hate to ruin a rare item just be make it my own (so to speak). This little diner is certainly not rare and frankly the only thing that stops me from a repaint is that the paint that is on it is in pretty good shape! Except where there isn't any, of course. Pictures in a Picassa album at: > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/115279229771946172442/AmericanFlyerSGaugeBardfordDiner?authuser=0&feat=directlink > > > > If anyone cares to look (and if the link survives passage through the Yahoo system). > > > > Comment about the LEDs (color and directionality) will be taken into account. One interesting observation is that my Bradford Diner is the mirror image of another one I have seen (i.e. the TV antenna is on the opposite end (relative to the signage). Now that is interesting! > > > > Bob Groh > > Blue Springs, Missouri >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73829	From: Charles Hancock	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Gilbert 370 Question

Greetings to all! Santa brought a Flyer 370 which cleaned up and runs, well. It however, does not like to pull cars around right hand curves. The car's coupler, regardless of the weight, order or number of the cars, slides/lifts off the end of the bar. What might I do to keep these "parts" together ? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73830	From: rick gough	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

My only extra input would be: Why paint it twice? To do an acceptable touch up you need to have something close to master craftsman abilities ..... or send it to Mr. Stumpy! I've done pretty respectable repaints with rattle cans and if it were mine I likely would do it in Krylon or Ruct-O sun yellow. As far as value added, I bet my freshly maroon painted 732 operating car would sell for more right now than I paid for it in C-6  original green a few weeks ago.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: Clement J Bianchi To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding?? ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=15981765806&tc_rand=1556750599&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=taLpB81C2GAqqY1PdjqAHZrSCqVLrh5ssJftIacYjlMA7%2Bwdaw%2BUmGVT1KHsgW2v&key=SYFMGhE%2BsEQxiuI0e8Et7FqYfGvS2wAXtZt9UCC6LAU%3D   Hi Bob-- I think logic says " Touch it Up", you might like it. If not, you can always paint it later. It will need an automobile technique w/ airbrush and light sanding and rubbing.Whereas, a touchup will be quick & easy and probably OK for your crew to have breakfast. Thanks CJB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73831	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert 370 Question

Charlie, I am assumung that your #370 has the dreaded but unique "link bar," a cost-cutting way for Gilbert to get that GP loco out the door and allow for use with the link couplers of the time. It also made this loco a true switching engine- being able to couple and uncouple cars front and back. The easiest modification I have seen to keep link couplers (whether being coupled to a link bar or each other) is to take a small file and file a small groove up into the "end" of the link coupler. This makes the opening- that which hooks over the link pin- an actual hook. By doing so, when the train is in motion, the plastic link coupler actually does hook over the pin or bar in front of it and it cannot ride up or be bumped up over uneven track. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73832	From: Chrisandmhel Burger	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

Logic says touch it up?  So I go out to find ayellow that matches the original. First I go to the hobby shop. Nope nothing close really. So I go to Lowes. Nope nothing close. Next I go to Home Depot. Awe, here, this looks close. Next, lightly sand the old paint to feather out the old to take the new. Next, spray the new paint. Oh hell it dried darker.  Ok back to store to find a lighter paint.  Try again. WOw, that is closer but still noticable difference. Last trip. Finally something acceptable after painting again.     My logic. Order new Stickers, transfer, decals whatever your preference. Order the yellow paint from Doug Peck at Portlines. Strip the diner. Sand it. Paint it one time add decals and finished. Now that is logical, and while I'm waiting for the decals and paint to show up from Portlines, I'm busy running trains!     Just a little funnin.  Enjoy, Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73833	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: Gilbert 370 Question

Ben wrote: <<The easiest modification I have seen to keep link couplers (whether being coupled to a link bar or each other) is to take a small file and file a small groove up into the "end" of the link coupler. This makes the opening- that which hooks over the link pin- an actual hook. By doing so, when the train is in motion, the plastic link coupler actually does hook over the pin or bar in front of it and it cannot ride up or be bumped up over uneven track. . >> Charlie, I've done this and it seems to help A few other suggestions: Is the coupler bar level? Does the loco dip or twist when going through a curve? The wheel flanges on the 370 are small (for Flyer) and it may be a track issue Check the couplers to see if they need adjustment, I have a checklist on my web site http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/maint.html Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73834	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/29/2013, 5:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 73835	From: rick gough	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding??

I have to concur!!  But now he's got me wanting a beat BraNford Diner to repaint/restore. I notice Marty is asking a cool $100. or so for repainted ones [on Ebay] ......... or maybe the BraDford Diner is worth much less .....??   Too much fun with this!   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: Chrisandmhel Burger <chrisandmhelburger@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 767 Bradford diner - thoughts/comments on rebuilding?? ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=15986049604&tc_rand=730408201&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=0%2Bvk%2BCTWhiITQ7fD0BFNmPkbexfZ5qpHQET7U%2Fc6VAAHbsDHvACoa6Jg1CwsHhUT&key=WM17FH6v5EWwGBUa%2BXGFLcnSFHj7cFaSKusjXkvogx0%3D   Logic says touch it up?  So I go out to find ayellow that matches the original. First I go to the hobby shop. Nope nothing close really. So I go to Lowes. Nope nothing close. Next I go to Home Depot. Awe, here, this looks close. Next, lightly sand the old paint to feather out the old to take the new. Next, spray the new paint. Oh hell it dried darker.  Ok back to store to find a lighter paint.  Try again. WOw, that is closer but still noticable difference. Last trip. Finally something acceptable after painting again.     My logic. Order new Stickers, transfer, decals whatever your preference. Order the yellow paint from Doug Peck at Portlines. Strip the diner. Sand it. Paint it one time add decals and finished. Now that is logical, and while I'm waiting for the decals and paint to show up from Portlines, I'm busy running trains!     Just a little funnin.  Enjoy, Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73836	From: doerryn	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Speed and Directional Control of American FLyer Trains version 2.1

I posted a slightly revised version of my document "Speed and Directional Control of American Flyer Trains"   The complete document (optimized for double sided printing)  can be downloaded from ....   http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains.pdf     The document with blank pages removed (for single sided printing) can be found at ...   http://doerry.org/norbert/train/SpeedandDirectionalControlofAmericanFlyerTrains_no_blank_pages.pdf   Mostly minor corrections and incorporation of suggestions from readers over the past year or so.  I did modify some of the schematics in the appendices as well as add a new one.    Feedback always appreciated -- when I get enough changes I will issue another revision.   Have a great day, Norbert (from Burke, VA)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73837	From: bstilesaf	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: WTB- broken red #653 combine car

I have finished four S gauge Polar Express cars all made from #652 and #654 red Pullman cars. I think I now need an odd number (ie. 5 cars) and that means the search is on for a forlorn #653 red combine car. The other four cars had broken ends, cracked roofs, and missing doors. I am looking for a project to kitbash, not one in pristine condition. The only condition is that it must be a combine car in red color (I mask off the red around the windows for the Polar Express red stripe). I don't even need a frame- just a shell. Interested in any cheap leads...hoping to make another junker into a beauty... Thanks for considering. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73838	From: donmac304	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Moderator please contact...

Would one of our moderators please contact me?        m a c 3 0 4 (at) c o m c a s t (dot) n e t I'm trying to create a photo album. I'm following all the steps as per the 'yahoos' instructions, but nothing happens when I hit the 'Post Photos' button. The same 'nothing' happens when I click on the paper clip to include a photo attachment with the message I'm composing within the 'New Topic' window on our Home Page.            Thanks Don McGinnis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73839	From: rick gough	Date: 12/28/2013
Subject: Re: WTB- broken red #653 combine car

If you can live with another 652 there's one on Ebay that is calling out to you. Item #121241021075 going off at 1:18 PST so far for all of $13.50.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "lbstiles@..." <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] WTB- broken red #653 combine car ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=15988179079&tc_rand=738008026&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=DjMeWd4gPJtJmw0iH2CKQqTvGLhNJf7UCMDZUY%2BfSV73he3ETEF7pddho%2FNJpxVy&key=qTSU5ibvqljLj8dx9kS%2F9V4rcrrHXYLFTHla6iiF9Ac%3D   I have finished four S gauge Polar Express cars all made from #652 and #654 red Pullman cars. I think I now need an odd number (ie. 5 cars) and that means the search is on for a forlorn #653 red combine car. The other four cars had broken ends, cracked roofs, and missing doors. I am looking for a project to kitbash, not one in pristine condition. The only condition is that it must be a combine car in red color (I mask off the red around the windows for the Polar Express red stripe). I don't even need a frame- just a shell. Interested in any cheap leads...hoping to make another junker into a beauty... Thanks for considering. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73840	From: reujan2000	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: NEW "S" Item At Your "Bid-Sales" (Advertisem

A new "S" item is here at your "Bid-Sales". To view / bid please use the link below: http://lbrenterprisesllc.homestead.com/page10.html?_=1381418509234 Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR" P.S. - For anyone wondering what the next item at our "Bid-Sales" site will be simply           go to the site after the present item has sold and the next auction item will be           mentioned on the announcement section.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73841	From: wjjim2001	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: The value of Association

A short time ago, Former NASG Secretary Glenn Ritter of PVMR submitted pics to the NASG Newsletter Staff.    These pice were printed in the December Issue, along with many other very nice pics.   A crew of wandering "S" folks stopped by to see us yesterday, issue in hand, so that we would know for sure they were the Baltimore Crew ( well some of them ).  We had a great visit, stories were told, tips exchanged, pics were taken again, maybe some have already found their way to the Dispatch staff.  I'm sure Glenn will have them on our site shortly, we'll share the address.  The ENTIRE reason for all of this, IF the Dispatch had not printed the pics, we ( PVMR ) would have missed meeting some great model railroaders and I thank you ALL you gals & guys for that support for the effort.   Jim Lyle   PVMR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73842	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/29/2013, 5:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 29, 2013 Time:   5:00 pm - 11:30 pm (GMT-08.00) Pacific Time (US & Canada) Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/27/2012, 8:00 pm Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group Title: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT Date: Sunday May 27, 2012 Time: 8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats: This event repeats every week. Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes: Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2013  Yahoo Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73843	From: henry_betz	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

Hi All,   This is a first post after a few months listening on site.   I was born in January of 1942. My dad sent mom downtown Philadelphia to get some trains in the fall of 1941. They were the 3-rail AF 3/16. Two sets,   The first was a Pacific with a mismatched tender as war production had limited production of toy trains, this with two coaches, a Pullman coach and Pullman observation in the Pennsy colors. An extra was the mail car. Lately I have gotten a whistling baggage to add to the set.   The second set was a yardgoat 0-8-0 with diecast freight set. A picture of me taken in December of 1942 shows me next to the 4 x 8 plywood platform. I still have the sets. But alas the 0-8-0 is a crumpled mess beyond repair due to rot.   Due to that I bought an S yardgoat and some S freights. A great runner which was tuned by Portlines a few years back.   I have since added  an O FEF with 2 Pullman caoaches and the combine.   Great equipment and great memories. Yes, I really had trains before I was born.   Best,   Hank Betz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73844	From: snstrains	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: Getting train sets early in life

Well now we have it. A train set gotten before  being born.  (what if it were a girl?)  No gender test in the olden days. Don't remember ever seeing a girl (even my own sister) playing with trains in the "olden" days. I sure wish my parents had done this for me. I had to wait until age 12 for a cheap Marx set. Flyer didn't come along until I was an adult and bought it myself. I really envy all of those that got theirs at birth (and before). If I had a time machine I would go back and encourage my Dad to get one for me just before he and Mom got married.    Steve Blackburn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73845	From: calleytwo	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life

During or after a war I believe statistics show that nature ensures that more males are born to makeup for the death of so many of young men.  So perhaps the wish for a boy was not just optimism at the time. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:35:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [S-Trains] Getting train sets early in life    Well now we have it. A train set gotten before  being born.  (what if it were a girl?)  No gender test in the olden days. Don't remember ever seeing a girl (even my own sister) playing with trains in the "olden" days. I sure wish my parents had done this for me. I had to wait until age 12 for a cheap Marx set. Flyer didn't come along until I was an adult and bought it myself. I really envy all of those that got theirs at birth (and before). If I had a time machine I would go back and encourage my Dad to get one for me just before he and Mom got married.    Steve Blackburn ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73846	From: Rick	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life

Food for thought. On Dec 29, 2013, at 2:50 PM, alizoo@... wrote:   During or after a war I believe statistics show that nature ensures that more males are born to makeup for the death of so many of young men.  So perhaps the wish for a boy was not just optimism at the time. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Sent: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:35:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [S-Trains] Getting train sets early in life    Well now we have it. A train set gotten before  being born.  (what if it were a girl?)  No gender test in the olden days. Don't remember ever seeing a girl (even my own sister) playing with trains in the "olden" days. I sure wish my parents had done this for me. I had to wait until age 12 for a cheap Marx set. Flyer didn't come along until I was an adult and bought it myself. I really envy all of those that got theirs at birth (and before). If I had a time machine I would go back and encourage my Dad to get one for me just before he and Mom got married.    Steve Blackburn ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73847	From: rick gough	Date: 12/29/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life

Gotta wonder who thet train was REALLY for, eh?!   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Getting train sets early in life    Well now we have it. A train set gotten before  being born.  (what if it were a girl?)  No gender test in the olden days. Don't remember ever seeing a girl (even my own sister) playing with trains in the "olden" days. I sure wish my parents had done this for me. I had to wait until age 12 for a cheap Marx set. Flyer didn't come along until I was an adult and bought it myself. I really envy all of those that got theirs at birth (and before). If I had a time machine I would go back and encourage my Dad to get one for me just before he and Mom got married.    Steve Blackburn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73848	From: Hank Buehling	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life

Oh, please.  I (Hank's wife) played with my brothers' Lionel train after they tired of them.  Santa brought it to them before I was born in 1952. (I was a tomboyish girl who also delighted in my baby dolls.). I think girls didn't ask for trains (or guns and holsters, etc.) but we played with them if a boy let us.  My parents got the train from a friend whose child also received it from Santa and gave it to another friend who needed one for Santa to give his child.  Who says our parents didn't know how to recycle? Hank received his first train at the age of six months and he still has it.  He was born in 1945.  He collects S, but used to have some of many brands and gauges.   His prized possession is also a Christmas train.  It is an American Flyer standard gauge passenger set that Santa gave a cousin of his mother's In 1927.  The cousin immediately broke a wheel on the locomotive, and an older cousin took the set, wrapped it up and kept it in his attic until about 1983 when Hank bought it.  The older cousin purchased a replacement wheel, so Hank only had to put it on to make the train run-worthy.  It graced our Christmas tree several years and resides on a shelf in our den, now.  Yes, it runs beautifully, but a circle of standard gauge takes up a lot of room unless we put the Christmas tree in the middle of the garage. :-) On Dec 29, 2013, at 9:58 PM, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: Gotta wonder who thet train was REALLY for, eh?!   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Getting train sets early in life    Well now we have it. A train set gotten before  being born.  (what if it were a girl?)  No gender test in the olden days. Don't remember ever seeing a girl (even my own sister) playing with trains in the "olden" days. I sure wish my parents had done this for me. I had to wait until age 12 for a cheap Marx set. Flyer didn't come along until I was an adult and bought it myself. I really envy all of those that got theirs at birth (and before). If I had a time machine I would go back and encourage my Dad to get one for me just before he and Mom got married.    Steve Blackburn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73849	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life

Always wondered that given the amount of help I got when we moved into a house and had room for a layout. As for gender tests, one of my best friends from the time we moved to the farm was a girl about a mile away, 1 house in between.  She and I used to play with her Lionel set all the time. But around here things weren't so gender specific.  I always said that if I was in a survival mode that the only person I really wanted around was another friend's mother.  She could outshoot just about any man in town and survive with the best of them.   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/29/2013 10:58 PM, rick gough wrote:   Gotta wonder who thet train was REALLY for, eh?!   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Getting train sets early in life    Well now we have it. A train set gotten before  being born.  (what if it were a girl?)  No gender test in the olden days. Don't remember ever seeing a girl (even my own sister) playing with trains in the "olden" days. I sure wish my parents had done this for me. I had to wait until age 12 for a cheap Marx set. Flyer didn't come along until I was an adult and bought it myself. I really envy all of those that got theirs at birth (and before). If I had a time machine I would go back and encourage my Dad to get one for me just before he and Mom got married.    Steve Blackburn This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73850	From: Stephen Terni	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: 302 65 years later

Great story Hank, In my case I did not receive a train set before I was born.  However I "learned" about trains very soon after.  I was born in 1947 in a small village in upstate New York.  When mom and I were discharged from the hospital, my Dad took the long route home so that he could stop by the train station and waited for a train to pass so that I could here it go by. Then we went home with that "baptism" by trains my first life experience! Dad waited  as long as he could to get me a train set.  When I was 3 for Christmas I received a 300AC freight set with 3 cars which I now have on display in my train room. When trains are in your blood, they stay there for life! Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73851	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Getting a train set early in life

My brother and I got our first train, and American Flyer, for Christmas, 1947. The Engine was a 4-6-4 (322?) It has a log car, Gulf Oil tank car, another car, and a caboose. The set had a oval of track and an uncoupler. It became a tradition at our house to add to this set every year. Thus, we added several cars, some switches, quite a bit of track. I have this set today. I have added a chipped up old GP-7, a FA, and another full set I bought. About five years ago my wife and I bought this house. While there is a lot of room in it, there is nothing that we can use to build a layout. My plan is that if I can ever get a handle on my garage, to enclose a part of it to build a layout. In this area the water table is too high for full functional basements.   A. E. Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73852	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Getting train sets early in life

There's no question that an electric train was THE Christmas gift for boys of the Twentieth Century,  Trains teach a number of skills, just as construction toys like Erector sets, Lincoln Logs, Tinker Toys, plastic bricks (yes, they existed before Lego), and so on. But while predominantly a young male thing, girls certainly liked trains too, IF they were allowed to play with them.  My wife played with her uncle's Lionel layout in the basement all the time.  In fact when he passed we ended up with them, but they were then HER trains! No matter what other hobby I have gotten into over the years, there were things I learned "playing with trains" which gave me a "leg up" on others in the new hobby.   I sure hope that today's kids, growing up with electronics, don't ever have to know electrical, carpentry, plaster, metal working,  or any of a dozens of other things I learned from trains.  Toy and model trains teach skills you will use all of your life. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73853	From: race944t	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: First Train and Bucket List

Joe:   It was great seeing you over the holidays both at TCA - Raleigh and a few days at Kannapolis.  We are all so very happy you have substantially beaten all the projections the doctors gave for you and still going strong.  I am in hopes this last treatment has not gotten you down too much.  Hope you and Lynn had a great Christmas and will have a great New Year.  I'm looking forward to the Carolinas and Tidewater divisions of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers combining forces again in Clifton Forge for the C&O Historical Society George Washington Train Show.  It is a lot of work setting it up, but so much fun to run on a huge layout.  I'm trying to dig out all the CSX and C&O/B&O stuff from Fred Jester's inventory to take to that show.  God Bless and see you soon.   "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73854	From: rick gough	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life

AC would be so proud of achieving his educational goal!   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: "mrstumpy@..." <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Getting train sets early in life ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=15998779950&tc_rand=30676146&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=ixM40%2FEnfuPTg5e5zdyHLGUXXdXpjtVv%2B61dXLHOFTGP53aI%2FT6U%2BHf3D0yvyfad&key=DBaAaylyaQ%2BurlSbzA4ldSPcDr2n61Q6NrrQ%2B%2B9OXPQ%3D   There's no question that an electric train was THE Christmas gift for boys of the Twentieth Century,  Trains teach a number of skills, just as construction toys like Erector sets, Lincoln Logs, Tinker Toys, plastic bricks (yes, they existed before Lego), and so on. But while predominantly a young male thing, girls certainly liked trains too, IF they were allowed to play with them.  My wife played with her uncle's Lionel layout in the basement all the time.  In fact when he passed we ended up with them, but they were then HER trains! No matter what other hobby I have gotten into over the years, there were things I learned "playing with trains" which gave me a "leg up" on others in the new hobby.   I sure hope that today's kids, growing up with electronics, don't ever have to know electrical, carpentry, plaster, metal working,  or any of a dozens of other things I learned from trains.  Toy and model trains teach skills you will use all of your life. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73855	From: rick gough	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: Getting train sets early in life

Who was it REALLY for??? On the oposite extreme, my older brothers got both the Atlantic and Silver Bullet sets Xmas '53. Our dad never, ever, showed the slightest interest in setting up and/or operating/fixing them, though he was always very productive at Santa time over the years. My brother still can't figure out why the trains appeared in the first place! Of course when I got into go-kart racing, Dad was all over it and had limitless hours for going to the local farmer's dirt track, so I speculate he was just more into 'the real thing' and would have loved my present day Datsun 510 GT car.   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Getting train sets early in life ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | https://www.boxbe.com/anno?tc_serial=15997912777&tc_rand=538025657&utm_source=stf&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ANNO_MWTP&utm_content=001&rt&token=LFHlDdnqV4gmJG1DqpbTGgIqpIc2oDFl5ZOW1xGAA05DaMa85FcZ2KwBaUE7KI3W&key=tSPDeo6%2BA6iSaTNqQD4AP8OPuGQrXtRBdbRPkvskaJw%3D   Always wondered that given the amount of help I got when we moved into a house and had room for a layout. As for gender tests, one of my best friends from the time we moved to the farm was a girl about a mile away, 1 house in between.  She and I used to play with her Lionel set all the time. But around here things weren't so gender specific.  I always said that if I was in a survival mode that the only person I really wanted around was another friend's mother.  She could outshoot just about any man in town and survive with the best of them.   Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF     A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,  the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/29/2013 10:58 PM, rick gough wrote:   Gotta wonder who thet train was REALLY for, eh?!   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing From: mailto:boss31@... mailto:boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Getting train sets early in life    Well now we have it. A train set gotten before  being born.  (what if it were a girl?)  No gender test in the olden days. Don't remember ever seeing a girl (even my own sister) playing with trains in the "olden" days. I sure wish my parents had done this for me. I had to wait until age 12 for a cheap Marx set. Flyer didn't come along until I was an adult and bought it myself. I really envy all of those that got theirs at birth (and before). If I had a time machine I would go back and encourage my Dad to get one for me just before he and Mom got married.    Steve Blackburn This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73856	From: Eric	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Engines for Sale

Attachments : I have 3 engines for sale. 1.  SHS 2-8-0    #01075.  Factory DCC sound.  Basically new in the box.  I took it out for a test and it worked fine.  It is high rail wheels and has Kadee style couplers, Knuckles are in the box..  Sante Fe (ATSF).  $450 plus shipping and insurance. 2.  S Helper #01736 Burlington Red NW2 engine. Dcc lenz gold decoder, no sound.  Like new in the box. set up with Kadee couplers and high rail wheels. Scale wheels are in there, Don't see knuckles.  $200 plus shipping and insurance. 3.  Lionel Flyer #8010  EP5 Milwaukee Road. looks like new. Set up with DCC lenz gold decoder, High Rail wheels and large knuckles. $200 plus shipping and insurance. Eric Reis Kenmore, WA. ericRhere(at)gmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73857	From: Eric	Date: 12/30/2013
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Engines for Sale

Attachments : added LF Milwaukee catalog picture On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Eric <ericrhere@...> wrote:   I have 3 engines for sale. 1.  SHS 2-8-0    #01075.  Factory DCC sound.  Basically new in the box.  I took it out for a test and it worked fine.  It is high rail wheels and has Kadee style couplers, Knuckles are in the box..  Sante Fe (ATSF).  $450 plus shipping and insurance. 2.  S Helper #01736 Burlington Red NW2 engine. Dcc lenz gold decoder, no sound.  Like new in the box. set up with Kadee couplers and high rail wheels. Scale wheels are in there, Don't see knuckles.  $200 plus shipping and insurance. 3.  Lionel Flyer #8010  EP5 Milwaukee Road. looks like new. Set up with DCC lenz gold decoder, High Rail wheels and large knuckles. $200 plus shipping and insurance. Eric Reis Kenmore, WA. ericRhere(at)gmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73858	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 12/31/2013
Subject: ==VIDEO: DC, point-to point, reversing shuttle controller

SUMMARY: This video does several demonstrations of a back-and-forth, point-to-point, push-pull 'reversing shuttle' track -- using an S Helper Service S gauge loco, and also an LGB largescale loco. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. VIDEO LINKS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/78883782 Same video on Youtube: http://youtu.be/VEHfVsTxZL0 Note that Vimeo seems to show it LARGER than does Youtube. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2. EXPLANATION: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Most of you are probably already familiar with this DC system, as it's been around since at least the late 1980's. It's a nice, simple 'hookup', because the only wiring required, is just the 2 power wires going to the track. You use a "black box" called a "reversing shuttle controller" or "automatic reverser" or "reversing unit". This controller automatically REVERSES THE DC POLARITY going to the track after a adjustable period of time -- adjustable from usually around 10 seconds, up to several minutes -- depending on the particular unit. The only ADJUSTMENT on the unit, is a knob that you turn left or right -- which decreases or increases the time delay between changes of polarity. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 3. THE TWO DIODES: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At each end of the track, you put a DIODE ACROSS A GAP in one rail (with the diode needing to be mounted in the correct direction). (A diode allows current to flow 1 direction, but not the other direction; you can think of it as sort of a "turnstile for electrons", or a "check valve for current".) When the locomotive reaches the end of the track, the diode stops the current flowing in that direction, and thus the locomotive stops and "waits". When the controller eventualy reverses the direction of the current, the diode allows the current to flow in the reverse direction, and thus starts the locomotive traveling towards the other end of the track. When the locomotive reaches the other end of the track, the diode on that end stops the locomotive; and again the locomotive "waits" until the controller reverses the direction of the current. ~~~~~~~ The video uses an old, out-of-production PH Hobbies controller for the demonstrations that I have had since the late 1980's. But these simple "reversing units" are somewhat GENERIC, and there are several companies marketing similar units today. ((It's a simple device for an electronics person to make.)) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 4. MAGAZINE REFERENCE: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ These controllers were recently discussed in an article titled "Automation in the Garden, Part 1- the 'Out and Back' " by author Kevin Strong -- that began on page 12 of the August 2012 issue of Garden Railways. Note the article also discussed the more advanced units that allow momentum accleration, and intermediate station stops, which are not covered in this video. |-------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Thanks. James Ingram, AutoControls Yahoo Group Volunteer Moderator | Voice Mail 570-322-7597 // Williamsport PA, Apache Junction AZ | http://AutoControls.org // http://JamesRobertIngram.com |-------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73859	From: traindavid	Date: 12/31/2013
Subject: Bradford Dinner touch up

When I do touch up work on an item that I'm trying to save as much of the factory finish as possible, I search for a matching paint (usually I'm doint locomotives, which takes a semi-gloss black, (semi-flat is different!) so paint match isn't difficult. Then I figure out how to apply the touch up--first, clean the object--carefully! I often use a flat toothpick, or a very small sable brush and try to only replace the chipped out area. This sometimes takes more than one application--less is better! I have been known to take pilots and cylinder castings and spray paint them--and once I used blue painter's tape to cover engine numbers and re-did the whole boiler. You leave the tape loose around the edges, and thus avoid a paint masking line--the rivets around the number area help hide the blend. In the case of the diner, not having seen it, I would likely have used a sable brush and just applied paint to the chipped areas. Too late now for that suggestion now, though! (I was out of town and did not have easy access to the internet). My 314AW had a case of the measles, and I used the old toothpick with a drop of paint to give it a pretty nice "vaccination"--I'd call it a "5-foot" finish (from 5 feet away, it looks good!). Just some ideas, folks! S' David D. PS Happy New Years!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73860	From: SnSTrains@...	Date: 12/31/2013
Subject: Happy new year.

Thanks for a great 2013   Steve Blackburn Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 73861	From: John Metzger	Date: 12/31/2013
Subject: Re: Happy new year.

Happy New Year to all my S-Trains friends Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone From: SnSTrains@... <SnSTrains@...>; To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; Subject: [S-Trains] Happy new year. Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2014 5:26:09 AM   Thanks for a great 2013   Steve Blackburn Boise